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Title: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on September 08, 2010, 07:40:20 AM
2011 can't come quickly enough :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: tri.ad on September 08, 2010, 07:51:00 AM
Well, if the album is as good as Caravan and BU2B, then... :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on September 08, 2010, 08:24:49 AM
I feel like a kid whenever there's a Rush CD on the horizon.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on September 08, 2010, 08:29:50 AM
Well, if the album is as good as Caravan and BU2B, then... :metal

Quoted for truth.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on September 08, 2010, 08:56:00 AM
I really hope the quality of song-writing for the other 10 songs really stands up to (or above!) "Caravan" and "BU2B"! It always seems like whenever there's a Rush album coming out, the rest of that year has great music coming out!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Dublagent66 on September 08, 2010, 09:02:08 AM
Don't forget about Rush Hashanah on VH1 Classic starting tonight at 7pm ET.  24 hours of Rush!   :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on September 08, 2010, 06:18:36 PM
Well, if the album is as good as Caravan and BU2B, then... :metal

Yeah, if that is the average quality of the record, then we're in for something amazing.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on September 08, 2010, 06:26:42 PM
I've only listened to the studio versions of these songs twice. I don't want to ruin the new album experience.

2011! :caffeine:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on September 08, 2010, 06:27:58 PM
I was reminded today of how lame the online Rush forums are.  I occasionally lurk at and post at both CP and TRF, but only because I cannot stomach too much of the online fan base for more than eight seconds.  Between some fan girl on the CP forum acting like it is her divine right to push her way into the front row at every Rush concert and the peeps at TRF acting like dopes about it, the headache I almost got from reading the threads on both forums about it was like a reminder saying, "Online Rush forums = The SUCK."


I still haven't found a Rush forum that I'm that comfortable with.  I try and get back into The Rush Forum here and there but I'm just not into much of the discussion. There are some Rush collectors there and those that are into more of the history, but those are few and far between.  I just find the signal to noise ratio on most Rush boards to be unbearable most of the time.

I'm as much of a Rush geek as the next guy I suppose, but I don't think I come across that way, do I?  (I know I'm anal and you're just going to have to accept that)



For those who care,  VH1 Classic's 24 hours of Rush began at 7 p.m. with the doc and right after that is the long-awaited Classic Albums Series of 2112/Moving Pictures. I should have just put the doc in the DVD player, but I wanted to see if there were any cool Rush commercials to enjoy.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: wolfking on September 08, 2010, 06:32:26 PM
Those two tracks are better than most of the tracks on Snakes and Arrows IMO.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on September 08, 2010, 10:20:53 PM
I was already really looking forward to Clockwork Angels. Now even more so.
I'm finding Rush really comforting right now. Over 35 years with the current lineup, and still going strong.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: setrataeso on September 08, 2010, 10:45:25 PM
I was already really looking forward to Clockwork Angels. Now even more so.
I'm finding Rush really comforting right now. Over 35 years with the current lineup, and still going strong.

Don't jinx it. Before we know it Neil Peart is going to walk out of Rush and join some shitty band as well...:sadpanda:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on September 08, 2010, 10:48:24 PM
Hot damn, Far Cry is such a catchy song. :yeahbaby:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: 73109 on September 08, 2010, 10:49:27 PM
ITS A FAR CRY FROM THE WORLD WE THOUGH WE'D INHEREIT
ITS A FAR CRY FROM THE WAY WE THOUGHT WED SHARE IT
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on September 09, 2010, 08:16:55 AM
I just really like the vibe from the two songs we've heard so far. It really makes me think of Counterparts, and I love Counterparts.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on September 09, 2010, 04:41:57 PM
I love Counterparts but I prefer Test For Echo.

I'm so happy that I get to see them in 9 days, life has been terrible lately.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on September 10, 2010, 11:31:09 AM
With Mike Portnoy's departure from Dream Theater, a band that has always seemed pretty solid, yet has had four member leave or get fired in 21 years (since the release of the debut), it really makes you realize how special a band like Rush is.  Since Neil Peart joined in the summer of '74, it has been the same three guys.  36 years with no breakups, no member changers, only one hiatus (for obvious reasons), etc.  It really is amazing when you think about it.  It is very hard for a marriage to last 36 years, much less a rock band, but they have somehow managed to do it. :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Quadrochosis on September 10, 2010, 04:08:19 PM
Don't jinx it Kev!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on September 10, 2010, 05:37:44 PM
I love Counterparts but I prefer Test For Echo.
I really like Test For Echo musically, but lyrically, it's embarrassingly bad at times. Luckily, their lyrics since then have been fine.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on September 11, 2010, 07:08:03 AM
With Mike Portnoy's departure from Dream Theater, a band that has always seemed pretty solid, yet has had four member leave or get fired in 21 years (since the release of the debut), it really makes you realize how special a band like Rush is.  Since Neil Peart joined in the summer of '74, it has been the same three guys.  36 years with no breakups, no member changers, only one hiatus (for obvious reasons), etc.  It really is amazing when you think about it.  It is very hard for a marriage to last 36 years, much less a rock band, but they have somehow managed to do it. :tup :tup

The day Rush is gone is the day I kill myself
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on September 11, 2010, 09:56:05 AM
You realize just due to age Rush is going to be gone while you're relatively young no matter what?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on September 11, 2010, 10:00:28 AM
With Mike Portnoy's departure from Dream Theater, a band that has always seemed pretty solid, yet has had four member leave or get fired in 21 years (since the release of the debut), it really makes you realize how special a band like Rush is.  Since Neil Peart joined in the summer of '74, it has been the same three guys.  36 years with no breakups, no member changers, only one hiatus (for obvious reasons), etc.  It really is amazing when you think about it.  It is very hard for a marriage to last 36 years, much less a rock band, but they have somehow managed to do it. :tup :tup

The day Rush is gone is the day I kill myself

I hope you enjoy dying before the age of 40.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on September 11, 2010, 10:00:49 AM
You realize just due to age Rush is going to be gone while you're relatively young no matter what?
Shut up
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on September 11, 2010, 10:04:40 AM
With that said

RUSH TUESDAY YES YES YESSSS!

Except I don't know how I'm getting to Boston.  :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on September 11, 2010, 12:15:20 PM
Don't jinx it Kev!

Bah, there is nothing to jinx.  They have given us over 3 1/2 decades of music and tours.  If they retired tomorrow, sure, I'd be bummed, but still satisfied about everything they have done and given to us fans.  Really, at this point, everything they do is gravy. :coolio
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on September 11, 2010, 02:31:51 PM
DAMNIT, They better NOT retire tomorrow. They can retire next Sunday after I see them.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on September 11, 2010, 02:38:35 PM
They can retire after we hear Clockwork Angels. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on September 11, 2010, 02:59:01 PM
They can retire after they start to suck. I think hell freezing over will come first though.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on September 11, 2010, 05:50:51 PM
With that said

RUSH TUESDAY YES YES YESSSS!

Except I don't know how I'm getting to Boston.  :lol

YEA!!!!!!! ME TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on September 11, 2010, 06:21:14 PM
They can retire after they start to suck. I think hell freezing over will come first though.

Then they should've retired after Moving Pictures /trollroll
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on September 11, 2010, 06:22:56 PM
:jamaritard:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on September 11, 2010, 07:21:58 PM
Top 10 Rush songs for me:

1. Xanadu
2. Cygnus X-1
3. The Pass
4. Freewill
5. Virtuality
6. The Spirit Of Radio
7. Caravan
8. Between The Wheels
9. The Camera Eye
10. Nobody's Hero
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on September 11, 2010, 10:10:39 PM
Top Twenty:

1. Natural Sciencee
2. Limelight
3. Freewill
4. 2112
5. Red Barchetta
6. A Farewell to Kings
7. YYZ
8. Xanadu
9. Tom Sawyer
10. Marathon
11. Caravan
12. Working Man
13. Subdivisions
14. Bravado
15. Leave That Thing Alone
16. Anthem
17. Spirit of Radio
18. Closer to the Heart
19. La Villa Strangiato
20. Manhattan Project
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on September 12, 2010, 11:11:29 AM
Happy Birthday to Neil Peart! Greatest drummer of all-time.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on September 12, 2010, 11:41:21 AM
My birthday is only one day after Neil's?  Curses!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on September 12, 2010, 11:45:16 AM
Sucks that Geddy Lee and I don't share our birthday with Neil Peart.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on September 12, 2010, 12:22:54 PM
Let's see if I can do a top ten...

1. Marathon
2. 2112
3. Anthem
4. Middletown Dreams
5. The Analog Kid
6. Natural Science
7. By-Tor and the Snow Dog
8. Time Stand Still
9. Red Sector 'A'
10. Roll The Bones
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on September 12, 2010, 12:32:45 PM
Red Sector A is a song that just does not get enough love at all.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on September 12, 2010, 12:33:46 PM
It means more to me for obvious reasons. The Body Electric is close behind it, actually.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on September 12, 2010, 12:39:41 PM
Red Sector A is a song that just does not get enough love at all.

What are you talking about? It regularly is considered in the top 2 from that album despite being 4th at best.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on September 12, 2010, 12:42:12 PM
Let's see if I can do a top ten...

1. Marathon

LOVE that chorus.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on September 12, 2010, 01:21:19 PM
Red Sector A is a song that just does not get enough love at all.

What are you talking about? It regularly is considered in the top 2 from that album despite being 4th at best.

Dude, :dammitamanda:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on September 12, 2010, 01:29:50 PM
The Enemy Within, Between the Wheels and Distant Early Warning are all easily superior. And on most days I'd probably put Afterimage and The Body Electric ahead of it as well.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on September 12, 2010, 06:08:22 PM
If we are talking just studio versions, then I agree that "Red Sector 'A'" is not one of the two best songs on P/G, but it absolutely slays live, therefore putting it up there.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on September 12, 2010, 06:15:42 PM
Let's see if I can do a top ten...

1. Marathon

LOVE that chorus.

Brings tears to my eyes every time
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Seventh Son on September 12, 2010, 07:22:49 PM
The Enemy Within, Between the Wheels and Distant Early Warning are all easily superior. And on most days I'd probably put Afterimage and The Body Electric ahead of it as well.

To be fair, pretty much every song on Grace Under Pressure is 10/10 and perfect. So even being dead last on the album does not mean it is bad.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on September 12, 2010, 07:50:15 PM
You mean except for Kid Gloves and Red Lenses which are the two worst songs of the synth era.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on September 12, 2010, 07:51:38 PM
I love Kid Gloves. Solo is awesome.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on September 12, 2010, 07:57:14 PM
Kid Gloves was way better live then Red Lenses when I saw them in 1984.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on September 12, 2010, 08:16:23 PM
Red Lenses is the worst Rush song IMO
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on September 12, 2010, 08:32:23 PM
I wouldn't call it the worst, but along with Kid Gloves it is one of about 6 or 7 Rush songs I straight up don't care for.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ScioPath on September 12, 2010, 08:40:10 PM
Seeing them for the first time in 2 weeks :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Quadrochosis on September 12, 2010, 09:21:33 PM
The more I listen to G/P the more I realize that there isn't a single bad song on it, it's all around perfect, just like PoW
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on September 12, 2010, 09:23:55 PM
I might like P/G even more than Power Windows, actually. Both are awesome.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on September 12, 2010, 09:24:58 PM
I hate that abbreviation for Grace Under Pressure so much.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on September 12, 2010, 09:50:14 PM
Technically, "Pressure Over Grace" would imply "Grace Under Pressure" -- but yeah, "P/G" sucks.

And remember, Rush fans in general are a nerdy bunch.  I'm sure a nerd came up with "P/G".
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on September 12, 2010, 09:57:31 PM
Technically, "Pressure Over Grace" would imply "Grace Under Pressure" -- but yeah, "P/G" sucks.

And remember, Rush fans in general are a nerdy bunch.  I'm sure a nerd came up with "P/G".

You know the P/G thing came from the artwork, right? I guess Neil is a pretty big nerd, then :lol

(https://en.academic.ru/pictures/enwiki/82/Rush_Grace_Under_Pressure.jpg)

On the right edge near the middle.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on September 12, 2010, 10:04:34 PM
GUP and P/G are the two abbreviations I've seen. Wasn't even aware people used G/P (which doesn't make any sense).
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on September 12, 2010, 10:40:50 PM
I've seen the little scribbly thing on the cover, but never realized that it was P/G.

And yes, Neil is a nerd.  All three of those guys are ridiculous nerds, and openly admit it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on September 13, 2010, 06:14:39 AM
I had no idea that scribble was there.  One of the the things you lose with CDs instead of Vinyls, I guess.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on September 13, 2010, 07:58:17 AM
I've never got a tattoo but if I did I'd love to get the egg in the vice so only Rush fans would get the significance.

Aslo, T-minus one day to RUSH!!! :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on September 13, 2010, 09:23:04 AM
You mean except for Kid Gloves and Red Lenses which are the two worst songs of the synth era.

 :facepalm: There is no way that "Second Nature" and "Tai Shan" are better than either of those.  I'd take both over possibly "Countdown" and "Emotion Detector," as well.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on September 13, 2010, 09:28:35 AM
Also of note is that the "p/g" logo/image was one of SIX used on Neil's drums for his R30 drum set. The other five were the 2112 star man, the rabbit in a hat from Presto, the Roll The Bones skull, the nut and bolt from Counterparts, and the man-shaped stone Inukshuk from Test For Echo.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on September 13, 2010, 08:47:53 PM
Something to pass the time...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGROp5a2sUg
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Quadrochosis on September 13, 2010, 09:06:35 PM
The P/G thing is also on the vinyl itself, it's on the sticker that they place in the middle of the LP.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on September 14, 2010, 07:57:40 AM
1/2 work day, Rush tonight, tomorrow off!!!!!! :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on September 14, 2010, 08:04:47 AM
1/2 work day, Rush tonight, tomorrow off!!!!!! :metal
Have a great time tonight, King!
I'm actually going to see The Alarm in a small venue in Connecticut tonight.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on September 14, 2010, 08:07:35 AM
1/2 work day, Rush tonight, tomorrow off!!!!!! :metal
Have a great time tonight, King!
I'm actually going to see The Alarm in a small venue in Connecticut tonight.

I haven't seen The Alarm since they backed up Pat Benatar  in Maine on the 7 The Hard Way tour.  You hae a blast too!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on September 14, 2010, 08:40:17 AM
1/2 work day, Rush tonight, tomorrow off!!!!!! :metal

Same, except I am absolutely LOATHING having to drive in to Boston.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on September 14, 2010, 11:17:32 AM
1/2 work day, Rush tonight, tomorrow off!!!!!! :metal

Same, except I am absolutely LOATHING having to drive in to Boston.

My wife gets out a 3pm, then I'm meeting my bro, sis in law, and my bro's best 2 friends at Boston Beer works.  Throw a few beers down my gullet and of to Rush. 

The traffic will be a bitch.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on September 14, 2010, 12:29:18 PM
I can't wait to see them again next year. I want to see how their setlist is gonna change :caffeine:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on September 14, 2010, 12:30:00 PM
I can't wait to see them again next year. I want to see them play Marathon again. :caffeine:

FTFY
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on September 14, 2010, 12:30:29 PM
I can't wait to see them again next year. I want to see how their setlist is gonna change :caffeine:

Just know that if Alex says anything about it beforehand, do not believe him. :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on September 14, 2010, 12:32:24 PM
What, they didn't play Jacob's Ladder at your show? That was one of the highlights of the shows I saw!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on September 14, 2010, 12:35:36 PM
I can't wait to see them again next year. I want to see how their setlist is gonna change :caffeine:

Just know that if Alex says anything about it beforehand, do not believe him. :lol :lol :lol

It's possible they'll pull out some of the songs he mentioned for the next leg. I'm sure the set wasn't entirely set in stone when he gave that interview

I can't wait to see them again next year. I want to see them play Marathon again. :caffeine:

Also this :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on September 14, 2010, 01:58:45 PM
What, they didn't play Jacob's Ladder at your show? That was one of the highlights of the shows I saw!
Oh yeah...well, I got to hear them play Presto! so there!!!!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on September 14, 2010, 04:47:06 PM
 I'm in my seat now. :caffeine:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on September 14, 2010, 10:39:13 PM
I saw something I've never seen at a Rush show before.  Durring Far Cry, Alex's sound went out and they played the rest of the song without him.  When they came back on for the La Villa encore, he still had no sound.  Alex being the funny guy tried to play along while they were fixing the problem but it took at least 4 or 5 minutes to get it fixed and it affected him durring the 2 encore song.

HE WAS PISSED, and kept staring at his tech man and yelling and pointing fingers throughout the encore.  Very bizzare.

Otherwise that band was great and Alex killed all his solo's!!  I hope them going back into the studio after this tour translates well on the new CD.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on September 14, 2010, 11:18:24 PM
I saw something I've never seen at a Rush show before.  Durring Far Cry, Alex's sound went out and they played the rest of the song without him.  When they came back on for the La Villa encore, he still had no sound.  Alex being the funny guy tried to play along while they were fixing the problem but it took at least 4 or 5 minutes to get it fixed and it affected him durring the 2 encore song.

HE WAS PISSED, and kept staring at his tech man and yelling and pointing fingers throughout the encore.  Very bizzare.

Otherwise that band was great and Alex killed all his solo's!!  I hope them going back into the studio after this tour translates well on the new CD.

Yeah, Far Cry was a disaster. You could tell everyone was just going "wtf" when Alex's guitar cut out. The imrpv jam before La Villa was hillarious, and I don't think I've rocked out so hard at a concert as I did when they played La Villa, Marathon, and YYZ.  :metal

Where were you sitting?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on September 15, 2010, 05:35:28 AM
I was in loge 11. I just love Marathon live and I thought BU2B was great live.  I was soooooo happy to see Presto live and I loved the extra 4 bars before the solo.  Alex just tore it up.  I just love his soloing.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on September 15, 2010, 06:35:29 AM
Here is Alex's rant on why his guitar cut out.  Damn funny.  Watch him durring this song lose his mind on his tech at the side of the stage.


https://www.youtube.com/mickav8r#p/a/u/0/5_mbYzM8axo
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on September 15, 2010, 07:15:15 AM
Here is Alex's rant on why his guitar cut out.  Damn funny.  watch him durring this song loose his mind on his tech at the side of the stage.


https://www.youtube.com/mickav8r#p/a/u/0/5_mbYzM8axo

 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

Alex is the best. :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on September 15, 2010, 09:35:04 AM
The guy next to me brought his niece (or nephew... I couldn't tell, its hard to tell nowadays  :lol) to see Rush for the first time. She obviously didn't know any of the songs, but she seemed to enjoy it. However, they booked it before the encore so they missed the best part. ;)

Also I gotta say it again, I think this is one of the most boring drum solos in Rush's career. I know its been a live staple since... forever, but I felt like most of the audience wasn't really getting into this year's solo either.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on September 15, 2010, 10:25:27 AM
Yea, it wasn't as bombastic as other solos.  People want flash in their drum solos
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on September 15, 2010, 10:44:27 AM
I thought it was awesome.

I may have been the only one though
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on September 15, 2010, 10:52:27 AM
I thought it was awesome.

I may have been the only one though
Don't get my wrong PLM. It was very good, just not as bombastic as other solos. 

BTW, best line of the night.  Alex, after his guitar came back on but was still a little twangy,

"'What the hell is this? What am I in Primus"?  Just too funny.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on September 15, 2010, 11:01:56 AM
lol

Alex could have his own comedy act :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on September 15, 2010, 11:25:01 AM


BTW, best line of the night.  Alex, after his guitar came back on but was still a little twangy,

"'What the hell is this? What am I in Primus"?  Just too funny.


Haha, that was great.  And if my memory serves me correctly, the way he bent over and played those screechy guitar notes was the same pose the Primus guitar player used to strike.  Priceless.

"I hate Rush.  They are so boring.  They play that stupid song." :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on September 15, 2010, 11:29:30 AM
"They played that stupid song for like twenty minutes..."
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on September 15, 2010, 11:48:50 AM
Ah, that's what he says there.  I couldn't make that out at first.  Makes it even funnier. :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on September 15, 2010, 08:56:05 PM
Only Rush could turn a disaster like that into one of the greatest moments on this tour.  :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on September 16, 2010, 07:17:11 AM
That video was awesome. :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 16, 2010, 10:31:29 AM
haha at least they did a funny ass jam. Still no guitar
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: setrataeso on September 16, 2010, 12:26:36 PM
:tup
Awesome
Alex is the bomb on stage.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on September 17, 2010, 07:22:51 PM
In less than 12 hours, I will be waking up to head to D.C. to see Rush!!!!!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on September 17, 2010, 07:28:42 PM
In less than 12 hours, I will be waking up to head to D.C. to see Rush!!!!!

Awwww that WOULD be the show I'd be going to... I live in MD... instead, I'll be working about 10 hours tomorrow. Let me know if anything crazy happens! :lol

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on September 17, 2010, 07:30:39 PM
That sucks. I'll be sure to air drum for you  :tup
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on September 18, 2010, 10:22:30 PM
Fucking sweet concert followed by drunken parking lot frizbee!  :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on September 19, 2010, 08:18:43 PM
Last time I saw Rush was in MD.  The Capital Center in Landover, where the Washington Capitals play.  I think it's been renamed for some corporation (since all sports venues are nowadays) but I don't remember what.  It'll always be the Cap Center to me.

Counterparts tour.  Awesome, of course.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on September 20, 2010, 03:48:22 PM
So apparently, there's a fraternity on campus that's taking part in this event that they conveniently call "RUSH." (I think it's an acronym for something but I'm not sure). Anyway, I was unaware that it was an extra-curricular thing, so when I saw a guy today wearing a "RUSH" t-shirt I walked up to him and was all like "Hey man, nice shirt! I love Rush! What's your favorite album?" He looked at me funny and said "Who the hell is Rush?" Then he proceeded to explain it was a fraternity thing and I felt silly.

Then only a few hours later I forgot and said the same thing to a different guy wearing a RUSH shirt. I remembered what it was immediately after talking to him. I felt like a douche.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on September 20, 2010, 03:57:44 PM
RUSHing is the process fraternities use to get as many pledges as possible in a short amount of time. It happens around this time every year, and every fraternity/sorority out there.

I did the same thing my freshman year :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on September 20, 2010, 03:58:30 PM
Ah ok. Well now I feel like even more of a loser for not knowing if it's apparently common knowledge. :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Vahvahenki on September 20, 2010, 04:02:54 PM
Ah ok. Well now I feel like even more of a loser for not knowing if it's apparently common knowledge. :facepalm:

Don't feel like a loser, you know a band named Rush and that makes you pretty cool... in some way...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on September 20, 2010, 04:12:30 PM
Ah ok. Well now I feel like even more of a loser for not knowing if it's apparently common knowledge. :facepalm:

Nah. Like I said, I didn't realize it either. You learn as you go along :P
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ScioPath on September 20, 2010, 06:14:35 PM
Seriously can't wait until the 29th.

:caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on September 20, 2010, 06:17:21 PM
Wait, ScioPath, you'll be at the Atlanta show?  Dude!  Did you get lawn seats too?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ScioPath on September 20, 2010, 06:51:52 PM
Wait, ScioPath, you'll be at the Atlanta show?  Dude!  Did you get lawn seats too?
Yea.
Maybe we could connect somehow.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on September 20, 2010, 06:52:16 PM
Wait, ScioPath, you'll be at the Atlanta show?  Dude!  Did you get lawn seats too?
Yea.
Maybe we could connect somehow.
:eyebrows:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ScioPath on September 20, 2010, 07:08:27 PM
Wait, ScioPath, you'll be at the Atlanta show?  Dude!  Did you get lawn seats too?
Yea.
Maybe we could connect somehow.
:eyebrows:
:|
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on September 20, 2010, 07:13:13 PM
Reminder, if you are going to say anything about the setlist do it in the tour thread.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ScioPath on September 20, 2010, 07:16:24 PM
Yeah, sorry. Just super pumped right now. This will be my first time seeing Rush live.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MetalManiac666 on September 20, 2010, 07:39:16 PM
Well, if the album is as good as Caravan and BU2B, then... :metal

This.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: GuineaPig on September 20, 2010, 09:07:03 PM
Reminder, if you are going to say anything about the setlist do it in the tour thread.

Nice avatar.  I use the same one on another forum  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on September 21, 2010, 02:39:29 PM
Last time I saw Rush was in MD.  The Capital Center in Landover, where the Washington Capitals play.  I think it's been renamed for some corporation (since all sports venues are nowadays) but I don't remember what.  It'll always be the Cap Center to me.

Counterparts tour.  Awesome, of course.

Geddy had a cold that night. It's painful at times to hear him trying to get through that show. He tried to make up for it in his bass playing though.

I need to go back and listen to this show one of these days. I don't really listen to this one all that much because it saddens me to hear Geddy gut this one out.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on September 21, 2010, 04:20:02 PM
I didn't notice the cold, he did great like I expected and blew me away with his bass playing. I admit, I laughed my ass off during the high pitched verses in Freewill.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on September 22, 2010, 11:28:08 AM
I don't know if anybody saw this but Nelly Furtado covered Time Stands Still.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfrXM_gDl9g
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on September 27, 2010, 09:41:24 PM
I didn't notice the cold, he did great like I expected and blew me away with his bass playing. I admit, I laughed my ass off during the high pitched verses in Freewill.

Freewill does not appear on the soundboard of that show that I have, but Prelude was is very cringe worthy from a vocal standpoint.

I do have the audience recording from this show was well, but I have no recollection of what it sounds like.

Rush has stepped up their live game so much since 1996, that I don't regularly listen to a large selection of shows from before then.




I need to put Everyday Glory on more Rush compilations.
 
I've always loved this song, but it's been months since I've listened to it.

It would be awesome if they broke this out live as one of the surprises for next year's tour.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on September 28, 2010, 08:35:16 AM
Yeah, Everyday Glory is a great song that gets overlooked a lot.

Anyways, HOLY SHIT I GET TO SEE RUSH TOMORROW :caffeine: :caffeine: ::caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine:  :yarr  :metal  :metal  :metal  :metal  :metal  :metal  :yarr
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ScioPath on September 28, 2010, 06:47:24 PM
Yeah, Everyday Glory is a great song that gets overlooked a lot.

Anyways, HOLY SHIT I GET TO SEE RUSH TOMORROW :caffeine: :caffeine: ::caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine:  :yarr  :metal  :metal  :metal  :metal  :metal  :metal  :yarr


:metal :metal :woot: :cozmo2: :gadough: :gadough: :metal :letam: :caffeine: :yeahbaby: :yeahbaby: :yeahbaby: :yeahbaby: :yeahbaby: :metal :caffeine:

24 hours till RUSH!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Pyroph on September 29, 2010, 07:04:38 AM
CNN is doing an interview with them tomorrow if anyone is interested.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on September 30, 2010, 08:23:39 AM
So in that CNN interview now up at rushisaband.com,  when Geddy's name pops up on the screen it said,  Geddy Lee, singer, base player.  Oh CNN you silly news station.  Base. :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on September 30, 2010, 08:30:05 AM
OH

MY

GOD.

SO GOOD.  They are still the best musicians in the world.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on September 30, 2010, 09:36:37 AM
So in that CNN interview now up at rushisaband.com,  when Geddy's name pops up on the screen it said,  Geddy Lee, singer, base player.  Oh CNN you silly news station.  Base. :lol

I remember when CNN was good.  Seriously.  I was flipping through channels the other day, and there was CNN in all its HD glory on my TV, and it was fucking infotainment bullshit.  Silly moving graphics all over the screen and hot babe newsreader to distract you from the lack of quality content, sensationalist headlines, opinion and speculation presented as facts... it was genuinely heartbreaking.  I remember when CNN was the shit; now it's just shit.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on September 30, 2010, 09:41:42 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/gaming.gadgets/09/29/warriors.of.rock.nerds/index.html
Quote
(CNN) -- In an otherworldly landscape, with controllers in hand, players must conquer the Beast in order to release a powerful demigod.
No, this isn't "World of Warcraft." It's "Guitar Hero."
And with a playlist steeped in monster riffs and a quest mode that winds through scenes populated with the dungeons and dragons of fantasy lore, it might just expose heavy metal's darkest secret.
"The ultimate trick that musicians played on the world is that they were cool," said Brendon Small, whose band Dethklok (from his Adult Swim cartoon "Metalocalypse") lent the song "Bloodlines" to "Guitar Hero: Warriors of Rock."
"They're not cool. They're all nerds. They all love Monty Python, 'Star Wars' and Rush. Everybody from Cannibal Corpse to Metallica, they are all nerds. We are all nerds."
The game, released September 28 and available on PS3, Wii and XBox360, likes Rush, too.
It includes all seven parts of the Canadian progressive rock band's "2112" suite and even weaves the legendary rockers into the fabric of the game.
The members of Rush worked on the "2112" game sequence, helping create in-game venues based on scenes from the liner notes of their original album.
The band gave suggestions for imagery and recorded voice-overs for the scenes, said Brian Bright, "Warriors of Rock" project leader for game creator Neversoft. He said the story of "2112" parallels the story in the game.
"The songs tell the story of a man who discovers a guitar, something he has never been exposed to, as the world he lives in is very Orwellian and controlling," Bright said. "In the game, the player is in search of the Demi-God's legendary guitar as it is the source of his power."

"Metalocalypse" creator Brendon Small writes and records music for the show and tours as a guitarist for Dethklok.
Small acknowledges that including 21 minutes worth of Rush on a game known for mainstream appeal is a nod toward rock's inner nerd.
"Absolutely!" he said. "Without a doubt, yeah! Oh man, but they picked the right Rush. That's certainly my favorite, and it's got amazing guitar moments, too."
It also has what Small calls the nerdiest thing of all in music: odd time signatures, which could mean difficult play in Warriors of Rock.
"When people start counting odd times like 7/4 instead of 4/4, [they're trying to] be different and make a new groove, and that is a nerdy, nerdy thing. But Rush gets away with it because they're good," said Small.
Neversoft worked closely with other artists to create the ultimate metal quest mode. Megadeth's Dave Mustaine -- whom Small considers one of the world's best rhythm guitarists -- wrote and recorded "Sudden Death" for the finale of the game.
"The game ends with an epic battle between the Demi-God of Rock and the Beast raging on an apocalyptic landscape, so we wanted a track that would completely shred," Bright said.
Additionally, Gene Simmons, the "demon" bassist of iconic rock band KISS, is the narrator of the game's quest mode and makes a cameo as the Demi-God of Rock.
Other musicians who metalheads and rock guitar enthusiasts are sure to geek out to include Steve Vai, Slayer, Metallica, Ozzy Osbourne and Anthrax.
Bright said "Warriors of Rock" songs were selected chiefly on their playability.
"A good song for 'Guitar Hero' would have a memorable riff but not feel repetitive. There would be a good amount of chord changes and, ideally, a fun guitar solo to add to the challenge," he said.
But being a good guitar player doesn't necessarily make you a good "Guitar Hero" player.
Mike Keneally, Small's bandmate in the live, touring version of Dethklok, said he thought Dethklok songs were easier to play on an actual guitar. "Bloodlines" is Dethklok's third song on a "Guitar Hero" game.
Small had to disagree with his friend.

"I said, 'Nah, that's not true. There's 11-year-olds out there who can just shred through [Dethklok songs] "Thunderhorse" and "Laser-cannon Death Sentence." ' "
Those 11-year olds who play "Warriors of Rock" are about to discover some of the music that helped build Small's career as a musician and cartoon producer. Small's current cartoon project, "Metalocalypse," follows a fictional metal band, Dethklok, who have become so popular that they influence world economies.
"One of my favorite things about 'Guitar Hero' is you're turning a whole generation on to music that wouldn't, I think, have discovered it any other way," Small said.
"Because in order to know about metal, you've either got to have a cool older sibling or a dude down the street who just knows what's up. Some people don't have either of those things. Some people have a really uncool older sibling who listens to Brittney Spears or some kind of dance or club or trance, and they're never going to learn about cool guitar stuff or Van Halen or any of that stuff.
"But now that they have 'Guitar Hero' in their life, they can learn about Skynyrd. Foghat. Sabbath. Soundgarden."
A sad omission on "Guitar Hero's" part from its sixth offering, said Small, was that of lightening-fast guitarist Yngwie Malmsteen. Malmsteen, a Swedish guitarist, is known for his classical approach to metal music, as well as his fantasy-laden album covers and music videos.
"Yngwie, of course is the king. I love him. That should be on 'Guitar Hero,' because it would just be unplayable," Small said.
"He did [a video] with a wizard, a dragon and him in really high-waisted spandex pants and Sgt. Pepper's jacket flipping his Stratocaster around. Pretty awesome -- what rock 'n' roll is built for."
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on October 06, 2010, 08:31:04 PM
So in that CNN interview now up at rushisaband.com,  when Geddy's name pops up on the screen it said,  Geddy Lee, singer, base player.  Oh CNN you silly news station.  Base. :lol

I remember when CNN was good.  Seriously.  I was flipping through channels the other day, and there was CNN in all its HD glory on my TV, and it was fucking infotainment bullshit.  Silly moving graphics all over the screen and hot babe newsreader to distract you from the lack of quality content, sensationalist headlines, opinion and speculation presented as facts... it was genuinely heartbreaking.  I remember when CNN was the shit; now it's just shit.


Supposedly CNN International is a little better. Ot at least it was when we had it. When Comcast absorbed Patriot Media, one of the first things they did was remove CNN International.

But yeah, it's pretty tough to find an objective news source these days.

CNN put up the 25 minute unedited interview with Rush which is even better than the one that aired.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on October 06, 2010, 08:33:00 PM
Interviewer had some balls to bring up the tragedy.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on October 06, 2010, 09:01:38 PM
Interviewer had some balls to bring up the tragedy.

Did he interview all of Rush or just Alex and Geddy?  I remember reading an old classic rock article where the writer said he had to sign a waiver saying he wouldn't ask Neil about the tragedy or Alex about his drunken run-in with the law.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on October 06, 2010, 09:07:51 PM
Interviewer had some balls to bring up the tragedy.

Did he interview all of Rush or just Alex and Geddy?  I remember reading an old classic rock article where the writer said he had to sign a waiver saying he wouldn't ask Neil about the tragedy or Alex about his drunken run-in with the law.

ALL of Rush, Alex, Neil and Geddy (sitting in that order left-to-right). Neil did a bit of uncomfortable shifting and looking away during that part of the interview, but obviously he didn't seem bothered by it, especially enough to let it be recorded and released online. I'm sure he knows it's online, or was told it would be. It has been quite some time, and Neil has been doing a LOT more interviews in the last couple of years, so I think he's more comfortable with them now, and doing press with Alex and Geddy. I'm quite happy Neil's opened up a bit.  :)

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on October 06, 2010, 09:11:46 PM
Interviewer had some balls to bring up the tragedy.

Did he interview all of Rush or just Alex and Geddy?  I remember reading an old classic rock article where the writer said he had to sign a waiver saying he wouldn't ask Neil about the tragedy or Alex about his drunken run-in with the law.

The whole band. The guy who did the interview (and who appeared in the documentary) used to be a VJ on Much Music in the early '80s.

I remember reading about that waiver too.

Maybe because he thought it was covered in the documentary it was fair game?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Bone_Daddy on October 07, 2010, 08:16:28 AM
https://www.rushisaband.com/display.php?id=2342&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rushisaband%2Fblog+%28Rush+is+a+Band%29 (https://www.rushisaband.com/display.php?id=2342&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rushisaband%2Fblog+%28Rush+is+a+Band%29)

Very good interview. You can only empathize with Neil when the past is brought up time and again.

These guys are true professionals - have a love for life - and are quite humble and thankful for their place in this world of music.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on October 07, 2010, 08:28:24 AM
Just chiming in to say I'm currently in love with the chorus to Marathon.

Carry on.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on October 07, 2010, 08:35:27 AM
Just chiming in to say I'm currently in love with the chorus to Marathon.

Carry on.

:heart
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on October 07, 2010, 10:52:31 AM
A few weeks ago, I was running the final lap of a mile run and the chorus popped in my head. The adrenaline kicked in big time.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: chrisbDTM on October 07, 2010, 11:28:02 AM
"I let my past go too fast no time to pause. If I could slow it all down, like some captain, whose ship runs aground. I can wait until the tide comes around"
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on October 07, 2010, 08:01:46 PM
I'M NOT LOOOKING BAAACK BUT I WANT TO LOOK AROUNDDDD ME NOWWW.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on October 07, 2010, 08:02:40 PM
:heart Time Stand Still
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on October 07, 2010, 09:53:13 PM
Time Stand Still has some of the best lyrics I've ever heard...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on October 08, 2010, 05:30:22 PM
This doesn't pertain to the TM tour so this should fit here. I felt like making a dream setlist.

1. The Camera Eye
2. Anthem
3. Subdivisions
4. YYZ
5. Caravan
6. Manhattan Project
7. A Passage To Bangkok
8. Witch Hunt
9. Freewill
10. Distant Early Warning
11. Time Stand Still
12. Limelight
*Intermission*
1. The Big Money
2. Tom Sawyer
3. The Pass
4. Circumstances
5. The Spirit Of Radio
6. Marathon
7. The Enemy Within
8. Malignant Narcissism
9. Far Cry
10. Red Barchetta
11. Drum Solo
12. Resist
13. Closer To The Heart
14. 2112 Overture/Temples Of Syrinx
15. La Villa Strangiato
Encore:
1. Natural Science
2. Xanadu

That's roughly around 2.8 hours including the breaks.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ScioPath on October 08, 2010, 05:44:36 PM
Awesome! My list would include AFTK and La Villa though.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on October 08, 2010, 08:27:09 PM
Awesome! My list would include AFTK and La Villa though.
I was thinking the same thing, but I think I read somewhere they tried to bring out AFTK for the S&A tour, but they felt it didn't sound very good tuned down a half or whole step for Geddy.  DEN, that setlist is pretty awesome, but for realism's sake, Anthem should be taken out.  Replace Anthem and Caravan with La Villa somewhere and its golden.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on October 08, 2010, 09:41:19 PM
I was debating whether Anthem should be in there or not, but they can still pull off Circumstances and Freewill (to a certain degree) and if they were to play it they'd of course tone it down from the studio version like most old songs. Caravan is one of my favorite Rush songs so there's no way I'd take it out, now that I think about it I'd probably replace Show Don't Tell with La Villa Strangiato.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on October 08, 2010, 09:42:14 PM
You can replace Show Don't Tell with almost anything and make the set better.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on October 08, 2010, 09:44:12 PM
Hmmm. Now that I think about it, Stick It Out would be great for a set closer!   :metal  :D
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on October 08, 2010, 09:51:38 PM
Holy cow, you managed to pick one of the few songs that might actually be worse than Show Don't Tell.

For the record, here is the list of Rush songs that should never have been made-

Rivendell
I Think I'm Going Bald
Kid Gloves
Red Lenses
Show Don't Tell
Superconductor
Stick it Out

And while Vapor Trails may not have any single songs that are worse than those listed there are so many things about it that needed to be re-worked or never happen.

Also, I can honestly say I think this is the most negative I've ever been about Rush. :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MetalManiac666 on October 08, 2010, 09:52:48 PM
Hey, "Show Don't Tell" is a great song.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on October 08, 2010, 09:54:25 PM
Why do you hate Kid Gloves so much Nick? I can't for the life of me listen to that song and identify anything wrong with it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on October 08, 2010, 09:56:14 PM
Funnily enough I think it's the album that it's on that probably makes me dislike it a bit. If the song was modernized and appeared on Test For Echo I'd probably like it, but on Grace Under Pressure it sticks out like a sore thumb and I never really enjoyed it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on October 08, 2010, 10:00:52 PM
Meh, fair enough.

I just love the solo...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on October 08, 2010, 10:01:26 PM
The solo is indeed awesome.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on October 08, 2010, 10:23:21 PM
Kid Gloves and Show Don't Tell are good songs.  Stick it Out is okay, but its nowhere near the horror that is "Red Lenses," "Tai Shan," or "Dog Years."
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on October 09, 2010, 10:53:28 AM
Holy cow, you managed to pick one of the few songs that might actually be worse than Show Don't Tell.

For the record, here is the list of Rush songs that should never have been made-

Kid Gloves
Red Lenses
Show Don't Tell
Superconductor
Stick it Out

And while Vapor Trails may not have any single songs that are worse than those listed there are so many things about it that needed to be re-worked or never happen.
Wow, how can someone fit so much being wrong in one post? Those are all great songs, and Vapor Trails has some solid moments.

Quote
"Dog Years."
With different lyrics, Dog Years (and Virtuality for that matter) would be a good song. But yeah, as is, it's one of the few songs where the lyrics are actually bad enough to significantly lower my opinion of it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on October 09, 2010, 07:41:47 PM
Geddy recently said in an interview that Clockwork Angels likely won't be out until late 2011 instead of Spring of '11  >:( :censored
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Seventh Son on October 09, 2010, 07:47:08 PM
Holy cow, you managed to pick one of the few songs that might actually be worse than Show Don't Tell.

For the record, here is the list of Rush songs that should never have been made-

Kid Gloves
Red Lenses
Show Don't Tell
Superconductor
Stick it Out

And while Vapor Trails may not have any single songs that are worse than those listed there are so many things about it that needed to be re-worked or never happen.
Wow, how can someone fit so much being wrong in one post? Those are all great songs, and Vapor Trails has some solid moments.
Well, it is Nick  :lol

Seriously, Kid Gloves and Red Lenses are amazing  :heart

And Superconductor is a fine song as well.

Kid Gloves and Show Don't Tell are good songs.  Stick it Out is okay, but its nowhere near the horror that is "Red Lenses," "Tai Shan," or "Dog Years."

I actually like Tai Shan.  :|
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on October 09, 2010, 08:11:37 PM
Geddy recently said in an interview that Clockwork Angels likely won't be out until late 2011 instead of Spring of '11  >:( :censored

If this means they'll take their time to craft a well written, well produced, well mixed, well mastered album, then by ALL means, take most of 2011 to do it RIGHT, not that Snakes & Arrows was horrible in ANY of those matters, but I'd like to hear them pull of a modern Rush MASTERPIECE, from start to finish.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on October 09, 2010, 09:02:45 PM
The masterpieces usually took 2-3 years :P
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on October 09, 2010, 10:04:59 PM
One year maybe?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Vivace on October 10, 2010, 01:48:04 AM
The ONLY song by Rush I always skip is Rivendell. Sorry, I just can't get into it. Every year I play through their WHOLE discography and yes that includes Crazy Dancer and a few other "first" songs.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on October 10, 2010, 06:33:39 AM
The masterpieces usually took 2-3 years :P

Well considering they've already written most of the album, they'll have time to go over those pieces, refine them and touch them up before even going in to re-record them for the album next spring. Then while they wait for the album to be mastered and pressed, they could probably do a short tour in Europe, ya know, to make up for the lack of one this year.

Then the album gets released about a year from now or so, then they begin the tour in support of the album in late winter/early spring of 2012, and tour for most of the year (8-10 months maybe, with a month break in between).

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on October 10, 2010, 06:51:16 AM
The ONLY song by Rush I always skip is Rivendell. Sorry, I just can't get into it. Every year I play through their WHOLE discography and yes that includes Crazy Dancer and a few other "first" songs.

I believe you mean Fancy Dancer?

And yes, Rivendell is god-awful
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on October 10, 2010, 06:53:08 AM
I like Rivendell.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on October 10, 2010, 09:44:11 AM
Rivendell makes me want to fall asleep

Fly By Night would be 10/10 without it...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on October 10, 2010, 03:28:00 PM
I like "Rivendell."

"Fly By Night" is probably my least favorite on that album. 

"In The End" and "Beneath, Between And Behind" are probably the two songs I always want to hear most whenever I put on Fly By Night.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on October 10, 2010, 04:37:26 PM
Fly By Night is my least favorite on the album, the guitar tone make me wanna pull my hair out. I love By-Tor and Anthem though.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on October 10, 2010, 08:08:58 PM
I'm glad "Anthem" is the first track, because I put on Fly By Night and just listen to the opening track all the time.  But sometimes I let it play through, because "By-Tor and the Snow Dog" is also awesome.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on October 10, 2010, 08:20:50 PM
I listened to A Farewell To Kings last night and was reminded how great an album it is. Its weird but its old Rush that made me a fan yet I always tend to listen to the 80's stuff more?
I love every era of Rush but Snakes And Arrows wasn't my favorite effort. Still a decent album though. I love about half of it, and the other half is filler imo.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on October 10, 2010, 09:00:48 PM
AFTK is my second favorite album.  You can't beat six great songs like that.  I'm a big fan of S&A.  There's no filler until the last few tracks, IMO (except "Bravest Face."  Thats a song that just doesn't get enough love for whatever reason.)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on October 10, 2010, 09:04:06 PM
AFTK has more filler than S&A, I feel. Apart from Xanadu and Cygnus, nothing really wowed me

I listened through Signals today and I have to say that Chemistry is growing more on me. An overlooked track for sure
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on October 10, 2010, 09:09:12 PM
AFTK has more filler than S&A, I feel. Apart from Xanadu and Cygnus, nothing really wowed me

And you call yourself a Rush fan.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on October 10, 2010, 09:12:56 PM
I don't care for Madrigal or CTTH much. And the title track is pretty meh to me

S&A's filler includes Spindrift and Good News First

I like Faithless and We Hold On unlike the rest of you losers :P
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on October 10, 2010, 09:29:40 PM
Will... I am going to destroy you if you continue to belittle the greatest progressive rock record of all time.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ScioPath on October 10, 2010, 09:30:32 PM
AFTK (album) Is a fucking masterpiece. Seriously; I could listen to that album on a loop perpetually for a week and be happy.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on October 10, 2010, 09:30:56 PM
AFTK (album) Is a fucking masterpiece. Seriously; I could listen to that album on a loop perpetually for a week and be happy.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on October 10, 2010, 09:57:45 PM
Will... I am going to destroy you if you continue to belittle the greatest progressive rock record of all time.

I thought your favorite was Hemispheres.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ScioPath on October 10, 2010, 10:33:38 PM
I think he said AFTK closely followed by Hemispheres.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on October 10, 2010, 11:06:37 PM
I picked up a copy of Signals yesterday. Before, I had only heard Subdivisions and New World Man. I've listened to it 3 times through and I'm not sure what to think of it. Apart from The Analog Kid, the album seems way too relaxed. It sounds sterile. Maybe I just need to let it grow on me.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on October 10, 2010, 11:09:25 PM
Signals takes a step back in the overall sound and mixing.  They wanted to bring the keys up and the guitars back a bit, but both end up sounding too muffled at times.  I think it sounds good overall nevertheless - the bottom end sounds tremendous, for example - but it could have sounded better.  Notice how much better both the guitars and keys sound on Grace Under Pressure, which is stylistically pretty similar.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ScioPath on October 10, 2010, 11:12:22 PM
Awesome! My list would include AFTK and La Villa though.
I was thinking the same thing, but I think I read somewhere they tried to bring out AFTK for the S&A tour, but they felt it didn't sound very good tuned down a half or whole step for Geddy.  DEN, that setlist is pretty awesome, but for realism's sake, Anthem should be taken out.

Yes, but dream setlists aren't supposed to be realistic.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on October 11, 2010, 01:35:22 AM
Okay, so I've been listening to Rush now almost constantly for about two weeks (I'm a new fan, better late than never).

So far I've come to these conclusions:

- I'm focusing on their 80s stuff first, I think it's an "easier" way in to their material. Then I can ease my way into their 70s prog stuff. Right/wrong?
- After hearing so much praise over Moving Pictures I can only agree; it's a hell of an album, and my favourite so far. Only Witch Hunt and Vital Signs are yet to click for me.
- Signals, Grace Under Pressure and Power Windows gets a lot of spins too. Not so much their later albums yet, aside from Counterparts.
- I thought I would have a hard time with their 80s synth sound (I'm pretty allergic to that sound in general), but I've gotten kind of used to it by now.
- Songs that I've listened to the most so far are: Marathon, The Camera Eye, Limelight, Red Barchetta, Afterimage, Leave That Thing Alone, and recently Xanadu.
- I've watched 'Exit... Stage Left', 'A Show Of Hands', 'Snakes & Arrows Live', and 'Beyond The Lighted Stage', they are truly a great live band. And funny guys  ;D

Now to continue on my journey  :P
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on October 11, 2010, 06:41:41 AM
Okay, so I've been listening to Rush now almost constantly for about two weeks (I'm a new fan, better late than never).

So far I've come to these conclusions:

- I'm focusing on their 80s stuff first, I think it's an "easier" way in to their material. Then I can ease my way into their 70s prog stuff. Right/wrong?
- After hearing so much praise over Moving Pictures I can only agree; it's a hell of an album, and my favourite so far. Only Witch Hunt and Vital Signs are yet to click for me.
- Signals, Grace Under Pressure and Power Windows gets a lot of spins too. Not so much their later albums yet, aside from Counterparts.
- I thought I would have a hard time with their 80s synth sound (I'm pretty allergic to that sound in general), but I've gotten kind of used to it by now.
- Songs that I've listened to the most so far are: Marathon, The Camera Eye, Limelight, Red Barchetta, Afterimage, Leave That Thing Alone, and recently Xanadu.
- I've watched 'Exit... Stage Left', 'A Show Of Hands', 'Snakes & Arrows Live', and 'Beyond The Lighted Stage', they are truly a great live band. And funny guys  ;D

Now to continue on my journey  :P

I loved reading this Zy!!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on October 11, 2010, 08:07:48 AM
I tried to listen to Exit... Stage Left again yesterday, and couldn't do it.  Oh, the setlist is fine, the performances are fine; it's the sound.  Something weird about the mix or production or something.  It sounds all flat on top, but turning up the treble doesn't help.  It's a live album but even though you can hear the audience, it still doesn't sound "live".  It's hard to describe.

I remember getting that one on vinyl when it was first released, and I didn't like the sound then, either.  I looked in the liner notes and it said that this was their first-ever digitally recorded, digitally produced album (or something similar - it's been a long time).  I thought Okay, so apparently digital production sucks.   Honestly, I don't know if I've heard anything since then to change my mind.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on October 11, 2010, 09:55:04 AM
AFTK has more filler than S&A, I feel. Apart from Xanadu and Cygnus, nothing really wowed me

I listened through Signals today and I have to say that Chemistry is growing more on me. An overlooked track for sure
It you lived it when it happened you might feel different. I don't dislike Snakes. Maybe calling half the album filler was a little harsh. Its just got a few forgettable tracks for me personally.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on October 11, 2010, 12:21:30 PM
Zydar, that is great to hear!  Hope your journey continues to go well. :hat

Orbert, I know what you mean in regards to ESL.  Given the set list, it should easily be my favorite Rush live record, but, yeah, it just sounds kind of flat at times. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on October 11, 2010, 01:30:01 PM
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=147501&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blabbermouth+%28Blabbermouth.net%27s+Daily+Headlines%29

A new video interview with bassist/vocalist Geddy Lee of the Canadian rock trio RUSH conducted by Brazil's TV UOL can be viewed below. A couple of excerpts from the chat follow.

On the next RUSH studio album:

Geddy: "The new album is still in production. We've recorded two songs so far, one of them called 'Caravan' and the other one called 'Brought Up To Believe' ['BU2B']. That's the beginning two songs of a whole kind of a concept album called 'Clockwork Angels'. We have about four other songs... five songs written, but not recorded yet. And we still have a couple of more songs that we want to write and then put the whole thing together. So I don't think the album will be ready for about a year."

On whether there will be a new DVD/CD documenting the current tour:

Geddy: "We record every night. We don't film every night but we have lots of cameras around. So invariably by the time this [tour] is finished we'll put together some sort of live representation of it. But what form that will take I'm not sure yet."

On the recent award-winning film "Rush: Beyond The Lighted Stage":

Geddy: "It's a weird experience to watch that for me. First of all, I don't like to watch myself talking about myself; it's strange [and] not normal. But I was very complimented to hear the nice things that the other musicians had to say. And I was very relieved that the people that made the film had a good sense of humor, and that the sense of humor that we have in the band came through in that film. So that made me happy. And so although it's not my favorite thing to do — to watch a movie about us — I'm glad that so many people seem to enjoy it."
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on October 11, 2010, 04:04:18 PM
CONCEPT ALBUM



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Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on October 11, 2010, 04:08:18 PM
Boner.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on October 11, 2010, 04:09:03 PM
Not to randomly change topics, but what do you guys think of Lifeson and Lee's respective solo albums, Victor and My Favorite Headache?

Personally, neither are great, but both are good.  I don't listen to either nearly as much as I do most Rush albums, but both still have select tracks I dig a lot.  "At the End" and "Strip and Go Naked" are both great songs from the Lifeson album, and most of the songs on Geddy's record are good, with my favorites probably being "Present Tense" and "Slipping."
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on October 11, 2010, 04:11:47 PM
I only have My Favorite Headache.  Its all right.  Nothing that stands out about it, but nothing that makes me vomit either.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on October 11, 2010, 04:11:55 PM
Wait, wait, wait.

Hold up.

Alex has a solo album?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on October 11, 2010, 04:14:40 PM
I like Geddy's better but Alex gets a big thumbs up for trying something very different than the classic Rush sound.

My faves on Victor are Start Today & Shut Up, Shutin' Up(Very Zappa like)

On MFH they are Slipping & Still.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on October 11, 2010, 04:15:27 PM
Wait, wait, wait.

Hold up.

Alex has a solo album?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_(album)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on October 11, 2010, 04:19:49 PM
I like Geddy's album, but Victor was all sorts of :-\ to me...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on October 11, 2010, 05:13:28 PM
I only have My Favorite Headache.  Its all right.  Nothing that stands out about it, but nothing that makes me vomit either.
I love Geds solo effort, and I love the fact it doesn't resemble a Rush album at all. That's what makes it extra cool for me, and I love the songs.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on October 11, 2010, 06:38:39 PM
I enjoy both and prefer Geds. I have to say that when Snakes came out it reminded me more of My Favorite Headache than any Rush album, and it still does.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on October 11, 2010, 06:42:25 PM
Victor was all kinds of wat.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on October 11, 2010, 10:58:10 PM
Yeah, Victor is pretty out there.  I'm not sure what I was expecting from an Alex solo album, but this wasn't it.  I played it a few times, don't feel the need to revisit it.

I still haven't checked out My Favorite Headache.  One of these days, I'm sure.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on October 12, 2010, 12:12:15 AM
Zydar, that is great to hear!  Hope your journey continues to go well. :hat

I must say thanks to you for your Top 50 list you compiled a while ago, it has given me some info about quite a few songs. Although it was mostly personal opinions about them and not facts, they have nonetheless been a guide of some sorts. It's exactly what I want from these kinds of lists, especially if you're new to a band.

It has helped me on my way :tup
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on October 12, 2010, 08:50:31 AM
My favorite song from Victor is "Promise."  Some of the other tracks are good too, but some are just plain strange.

I like the title track on MFH the most. 

I have to say that when Snakes came out it reminded me more of My Favorite Headache than any Rush album, and it still does.
Never thought about it until you mentioned it, but I can definitely hear it now.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on October 12, 2010, 12:44:50 PM
Zydar, that is great to hear!  Hope your journey continues to go well. :hat

I must say thanks to you for your Top 50 list you compiled a while ago, it has given me some info about quite a few songs. Although it was mostly personal opinions about them and not facts, they have nonetheless been a guide of some sorts. It's exactly what I want from these kinds of lists, especially if you're new to a band.

It has helped me on my way :tup

That is very nice to hear.  That is one of the main reasons why I started the top 50 thread in the first place, to try and get various bands new fans. :)

I like Geddy's better but Alex gets a big thumbs up for trying something very different than the classic Rush sound.
 

Yep, Alex's solo album definitely veers quite a bit from the Rush sound, unlike Geddy's, which sounds a lot like a Rush record more often than not, at least in the songwriting and melodies.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on October 12, 2010, 01:02:07 PM
I enjoy both and prefer Geds. I have to say that when Snakes came out it reminded me more of My Favorite Headache than any Rush album, and it still does.
Faithless definitely has the sound of MFH.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: GuineaPig on October 14, 2010, 05:09:56 PM
TSN has been using "Caravan" to promote the new NHL season  :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Bigleaf on October 15, 2010, 12:57:51 PM
TSN has been using "Caravan" to promote the new NHL season  :metal

Here is the video.  I suggest watching it in full-screen HD 720p and cranking up the volume.  Enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ih9mmiHVpM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ih9mmiHVpM)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on October 15, 2010, 01:14:33 PM
That's pretty sweet.  I love how they tied the "I can't stop thinking big" line in with the theme of the promo and what they players were saying.  Very cool. :hat
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on October 15, 2010, 08:25:51 PM
I tried to listen to Exit... Stage Left again yesterday, and couldn't do it.  Oh, the setlist is fine, the performances are fine; it's the sound.  Something weird about the mix or production or something.  It sounds all flat on top, but turning up the treble doesn't help.  It's a live album but even though you can hear the audience, it still doesn't sound "live".  It's hard to describe.

I remember getting that one on vinyl when it was first released, and I didn't like the sound then, either.  I looked in the liner notes and it said that this was their first-ever digitally recorded, digitally produced album (or something similar - it's been a long time).  I thought Okay, so apparently digital production sucks.   Honestly, I don't know if I've heard anything since then to change my mind.

Geddy has admitted in the past over the years that the "liveness" was drained out of it.

Here's a quote from 2004 (Contents Under Pressure)

There is a lot of meddling with the tapes and trying to make sure we had the best performances. We alsomade a conscious effort to pull down the audience a bit and emphasize the music. In the end, I think were recorded a fairly sterile live record."





RE: My Favorite Headache/Victor

I love both but for different reasons.

Certainly Geddy's is more accessible, but I love the way Victor comes across too.
Although I'm not a fan of Edwin, I do understand the role he played and he does help bring it all together. I just adore Alex's guitar work on this record. He could have flipped the gunslinger switch and everyone probably would have been happy, but I think it shows how amazing a guitar player he is.

After Geddy's album came out, I was really hoping for a short "evening with Alex and Geddy revue tour" where we'd get to hear songs from each album and maybe some acoustic stuff. Pretty wild imagination I have.

I'd love to hear what Victor II might sound like.



That Caravan/TSN thing was cool. Ties together two loves of mine and that is never a bad thing.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on October 15, 2010, 11:02:16 PM
Okay, so I wasn't imagining things.  I really want to like ESL -- I want to love it, but... it won't hug back.  It's kinda the opposite of All the World's a Stage, which is so raw and full of energy.  They tried to pull back on that for this one, and went a little too far.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on October 16, 2010, 02:26:10 PM
For the first time, I am truly disgusted with the Rush fan in general. Not you guys, the people are the Rush boards. I am tired of defending these elitist snobs!
One guy starts a thread about how much he hates DT based on the first thing he finally heard from them. Are you ready... A fucking youtube clip of them playing a Rush cover! He then goes on to say he now understands why people don't like them, cause it sucked so bad! He hated the singer, blah blah, blah.
I personally don't like James singing Rush either but what a fool this dude is.

This jackass has never heard one single Dream Theater song yet he now knows why they suck! What a complete dick! I can't take it. :facepalm:

Ok, I need to take a deep breath. >:(
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on October 16, 2010, 02:37:54 PM
And that's why I don't frequent any Rush forums.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on October 16, 2010, 02:43:47 PM
And that's why I don't frequent any Rush forums.
and I finally get it!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on October 16, 2010, 02:44:45 PM
For the first time, I am truly disgusted with the Rush fan in general. Not you guys, the people are the Rush boards. I am tired of defending these elitist snobs!
One guy starts a thread about how much he hates DT based on the first thing he finally heard from them. Are you ready... A fucking youtube clip of them playing a Rush cover! He then goes on to say he now understands why people don't like them, cause it sucked so bad! He hated the singer, blah blah, blah.
I personally don't like James singing Rush either but what a fool this dude is.

This jackass has never heard one single Dream Theater song yet he now knows why they suck! What a complete dick! I can't take it. :facepalm:

Ok, I need to take a deep breath. >:(

was this recent? because I swear I saw a thread like that on therushforum like, 8 months ago. unless this is a normal occurrence with TRF...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on October 16, 2010, 02:53:06 PM
For the first time, I am truly disgusted with the Rush fan in general. Not you guys, the people are the Rush boards. I am tired of defending these elitist snobs!
One guy starts a thread about how much he hates DT based on the first thing he finally heard from them. Are you ready... A fucking youtube clip of them playing a Rush cover! He then goes on to say he now understands why people don't like them, cause it sucked so bad! He hated the singer, blah blah, blah.
I personally don't like James singing Rush either but what a fool this dude is.

This jackass has never heard one single Dream Theater song yet he now knows why they suck! What a complete dick! I can't take it. :facepalm:

Ok, I need to take a deep breath. >:(


was this recent? because I swear I saw a thread like that on therushforum like, 8 months ago. unless this is a normal occurrence with TRF...
No, it was a couple days ago. This thread made me disgusted.
https://www.therushforum.com/index.php?showtopic=60598
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: LudwigVan on October 16, 2010, 03:01:32 PM
For the first time, I am truly disgusted with the Rush fan in general. Not you guys, the people are the Rush boards. I am tired of defending these elitist snobs!
One guy starts a thread about how much he hates DT based on the first thing he finally heard from them. Are you ready... A fucking youtube clip of them playing a Rush cover! He then goes on to say he now understands why people don't like them, cause it sucked so bad! He hated the singer, blah blah, blah.
I personally don't like James singing Rush either but what a fool this dude is.

This jackass has never heard one single Dream Theater song yet he now knows why they suck! What a complete dick! I can't take it. :facepalm:

Ok, I need to take a deep breath. >:(

tick, I read the thread and admire the way you defended DT.  Props to you.    :hat
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on October 16, 2010, 10:30:23 PM
For the first time, I am truly disgusted with the Rush fan in general. Not you guys, the people are the Rush boards. I am tired of defending these elitist snobs!
One guy starts a thread about how much he hates DT based on the first thing he finally heard from them. Are you ready... A fucking youtube clip of them playing a Rush cover! He then goes on to say he now understands why people don't like them, cause it sucked so bad! He hated the singer, blah blah, blah.
I personally don't like James singing Rush either but what a fool this dude is.

This jackass has never heard one single Dream Theater song yet he now knows why they suck! What a complete dick! I can't take it. :facepalm:

Ok, I need to take a deep breath. >:(

was this recent? because I swear I saw a thread like that on therushforum like, 8 months ago. unless this is a normal occurrence with TRF...

Yeah, I remember someone bringing up that there were angry Rush fans who hated DT based solely on that cover of The Camera Eye.  Whether they were TRF users or youtube comments I can't remember.

@Tick: You understand why I didn't stay long at TRF?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on October 16, 2010, 11:20:49 PM
I never like JLB's voice on Rush covers, but that is still a dumb reason to dismiss the band so quickly.  Sadly, that kind of attitude is indicative of the average fan at an online Rush forum, which is why I rarely go to or post at either of them.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on October 17, 2010, 06:41:52 AM
For the first time, I am truly disgusted with the Rush fan in general. Not you guys, the people are the Rush boards. I am tired of defending these elitist snobs!
One guy starts a thread about how much he hates DT based on the first thing he finally heard from them. Are you ready... A fucking youtube clip of them playing a Rush cover! He then goes on to say he now understands why people don't like them, cause it sucked so bad! He hated the singer, blah blah, blah.
I personally don't like James singing Rush either but what a fool this dude is.

This jackass has never heard one single Dream Theater song yet he now knows why they suck! What a complete dick! I can't take it. :facepalm:

Ok, I need to take a deep breath. >:(

was this recent? because I swear I saw a thread like that on therushforum like, 8 months ago. unless this is a normal occurrence with TRF...

Yeah, I remember someone bringing up that there were angry Rush fans who hated DT based solely on that cover of The Camera Eye.  Whether they were TRF users or youtube comments I can't remember.

@Tick: You understand why I didn't stay long at TRF?  :biggrin:
I do understand. I met a lot of mature cool people there 3 or 4 years ago, that are close personal friends of mine today. I love them.
but these days the current crop of posters(not all) leaves me scratching my head.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on October 17, 2010, 10:59:18 PM
As someone pointed out over there, it's strange, and in some cases outright hilarious, how some Rush fans are basically lobbing the same criticisms at DT that the music press has been lobbing at Rush throughout their career.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on October 18, 2010, 11:01:59 AM
Just coming in to say that I love Signals
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on October 18, 2010, 02:41:14 PM
Rush are one of the few Prog bands I like and I've been a big fan since the first time I heard them. I was making out with my first girlfriend at a mate's house and side two of FTK was on the turntable. Not your usual "make out" music I grant you but my love affair with Rush lasted a hell of a lot longer than with the girl.  ;)
Saying that, I haven't liked an album since Counterparts, and haven't liked many songs. they sound too samey to me and lack structure to the melodies. they sound to me like Geddy has come up with the vocal melodies whilst reading through the lyrics for the first time. I know they always wrote the music first and fit the lyrics around it, but in the last few albums (over twenty years) it actually sounds like it.
I know I'm in the minority here.
2112, FTK, PWaves, MP, GuP, PW, HYF, RTB, C, all classics.
 The first side of Hemispheres does nothing for me. Again I'm in a minority.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on October 19, 2010, 02:43:46 PM
If you did not find some musical goodness in Snakes and Arrows or the two new singles you might be incapable of love.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on October 19, 2010, 03:58:34 PM
There are only 2 songs on S&A I like but Caravan is my favorite Rush song  :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Seventh Son on October 19, 2010, 04:38:42 PM
The first side of Hemispheres does nothing for me. Again I'm in a minority.
do you just not like good music
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on October 19, 2010, 04:44:52 PM
It took me a while, hopefully he'll come around.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on October 19, 2010, 06:03:55 PM
Honestly, Hemispheres is a great song, but the first side, to me, is easily the most overrated song in the Rush discography.  Its great, but I don't think its worthy of all the OMGSOPROGSOGOOD fawning it gets.  Disliking it outright is very, VERY odd, but I can see where he's coming from.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on October 19, 2010, 06:05:30 PM
I think Hemispheres is one of my least favorite epics.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Seventh Son on October 19, 2010, 06:08:00 PM
Honestly, Hemispheres is a great song, but the first side, to me, is easily the most overrated song in the Rush discography.  Its great, but I don't think its worthy of all the OMGSOPROGSOGOOD fawning it gets.  Disliking it outright is very, VERY odd, but I can see where he's coming from.

Its not OMGSOPROGSOGOOD for that reason. Its an amazing song simply because I dare say, has one of Geddy's best vocal performances ever. The intro riff is addicting as hell, the synth section is orgasmic, and the song has an epic ending. What's not to love?

I think Hemispheres is one of my least favorite epics.
That's it I'm taking back your christmas gift.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on October 19, 2010, 06:23:28 PM
SS, you just mentioned that musical virtuosity, multiple sections, and an "epic ending" were not reasons for OMGSOPROGSOGOOD fawning (which I really just said as a joke to begin with).  Do you not listen to prog? :neverusethis:

And I actually don't think Geddy's voice is anything to write home about with that song.  There are lots of older songs that have better performances.  The music is great, though, just not THAT great.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Seventh Son on October 19, 2010, 06:30:10 PM
SS, you just mentioned that musical virtuosity, multiple sections, and an "epic ending" were not reasons for OMGSOPROGSOGOOD fawning (which I really just said as a joke to begin with).  Do you not listen to prog? :neverusethis:

And I actually don't think Geddy's voice is anything to write home about with that song.  There are lots of older songs that have better performances.  The music is great, though, just not THAT great.
I mean its not the fact that its prog that I love it. Its just it sounds so good!

That being said, there are plenty of songs that aren't prog that have epic endings.

I'm just a sucker for the ending of Hemispheres though, Geddy's voice over the acoustic guitar = orgasm  :heart
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on October 19, 2010, 06:34:40 PM
The tard face usually implies part or all of a post is in jest and should be taken extra-not-seriously.  Nub.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Seventh Son on October 19, 2010, 06:37:32 PM
The tard face usually implies part or all of a post is in jest and should be taken extra-not-seriously.  Nub.

I know that. But I can't resist gushing over Hemispheres!  :heart
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on October 19, 2010, 09:30:16 PM
I think Hemispheres is one of my least favorite epics.
Its my favorite epic by far.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on October 19, 2010, 10:39:41 PM
It took a while for me to warm up to "Hemispheres" when I first got the Hemispheres CD back in the summer of '92.  It being Part II of "Cygnus X-1," I think I was thrown by it not being as heavy or intense as Part I, at least on the surface or superficially at first.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on October 21, 2010, 09:44:28 PM
I still haven't found a decent Rush forum I'd like to hang at.  I'd love to one day but I haven't really been looking all that hard of the years.



There was a time 25 years ago when Hemispheres might have been my favorite Rush album, but after some context I've found that is no longer the case. I still love it, but it has quite a bit of competition.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on October 23, 2010, 06:15:29 AM
It took me a while, hopefully he'll come around.

After 27 years I doubt it. I love side 2, i was just hoping for more after cygnus... and the story does absolutely nothing for me either. going through the black hole and becoming a god in Olympur? Err, no.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on October 23, 2010, 04:23:18 PM
Counterparts is a really good record, a lot better than people give it credit for. Double Agent and Cold Fire are great songs.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on October 23, 2010, 04:39:26 PM
Counterparts is fantastic.  IMO though, Double Agent brings it down a bit.  Everyday Glory is a really underrated song.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on October 23, 2010, 05:30:43 PM
Counterparts is a really good record, a lot better than people give it credit for. Double Agent and Cold Fire are great songs.

Cut To The Chase = as good as sex.

WHY HASN'T IT BEEN PLAYED LIVE YET?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on October 23, 2010, 05:39:00 PM
I can't get into Everyday Glory for some reason.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Seventh Son on October 23, 2010, 06:13:59 PM
Counterparts is a decent album, but nothing I rank that highly in Rush's discography.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on October 23, 2010, 06:16:20 PM
Well your opinion is wrong.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on October 23, 2010, 09:31:08 PM
Well your opinion is wrong.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on October 23, 2010, 09:49:00 PM
Well your opinion is wrong.

Remember who posted that.  Are you really surprised?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on October 24, 2010, 02:48:32 AM
Chalk up another fan of Counterparts here. The last Rush album I really liked. Double Agent is a favourite. Cold Fire is excellent. StickIt Out isn't great once you get over the fact Rush were rocking out again.
And then came TFE and the slide began for me. I know alot of Rush fans rate it but I just never did.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on October 24, 2010, 02:51:21 AM
Counterparts seem like a great record. I mainly listen to Animate, Cold Fire, Everyday Glory, and one of their best instrumentals in Leave That Thing Alone.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: tri.ad on October 24, 2010, 04:30:38 AM
The biggest weakness of Counterparts is its inconsistency. There are songs that are simply amazing (Cut To The Chase, Cold Fire, Animate), but I just don't care for some other songs (Stick It Out, The Speed Of Love). Apart from that, it's a very good album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on October 24, 2010, 05:28:17 AM
The biggest weakness of Counterparts is its inconsistency. There are songs that are simply amazing (Cut To The Chase, Cold Fire, Animate), but I just don't care for some other songs (Stick It Out, The Speed Of Love). Apart from that, it's a very good album.

Stick it Out is good but The Speed Of Love is the only debbie downer in the CD.  I'd love to see Cut To the Chase and Alien Shore live.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Seventh Son on October 24, 2010, 07:07:53 AM
Well your opinion is wrong.

Remember who posted that.  Are you really surprised?
I never said it was a terrible album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on October 24, 2010, 08:57:25 AM
Nobody's Hero is pretty good
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: tri.ad on October 24, 2010, 09:32:36 AM
Nobody's Hero is pretty good

It is, although I don't enjoy it as much as I used to.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on October 24, 2010, 09:35:13 AM
Nobody's Hero is one of my favorites on the album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on October 24, 2010, 02:12:16 PM
Counterparts is probably one of my favorite Rush albums.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on October 29, 2010, 05:47:50 AM
25 years ago today, perfection was released in album form


Power Windows came into being.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on October 29, 2010, 08:11:23 AM
25 years ago today, perfection was released in album form


Power Windows came into being.
:metal :metal :metal :metal :metal

I remember waiting for the record store to open so I could get it!!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on October 29, 2010, 08:11:57 AM
25 years ago today, perfection was released in album form


Power Windows came into being.

Marathon :heart
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on October 29, 2010, 10:20:44 AM
25 years ago today, perfection was released in album form


Power Windows came into being.

Marathon :heart

 :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on October 29, 2010, 10:35:41 AM
25 years ago today, perfection was released in album form


Power Windows came into being.

Marathon :heart

 :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on October 29, 2010, 10:36:28 AM
Great excuse to listen to the album today!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on October 29, 2010, 10:38:17 AM
You don't need an excuse to listen to Rush. :p
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on October 29, 2010, 10:39:28 AM
You don't need an excuse to listen to Rush. :p

Or Power Windows, for that matter

I swear... I still get tears in my eyes when I recall seeing Marathon over the summer. Best moment of my life without a doubt
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on October 29, 2010, 10:40:43 AM
I love Marathon, but I think I love Manhatten Project just a wee bit more.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Seventh Son on October 29, 2010, 10:41:19 AM
Power Windows is awesome but Grace Under Pressure is still the best synth album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on October 29, 2010, 10:41:59 AM
You don't need an excuse to listen to Rush. :p

This is true.  Marathon is absolutely amazing, especially live.  The light show and fireworks... :omg:

Also: Dammit Seventh Son.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on October 29, 2010, 10:42:55 AM
I didn't know they still play Marathon live. Awesome :tup
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Seventh Son on October 29, 2010, 10:48:54 AM
You don't need an excuse to listen to Rush. :p

This is true.  Marathon is absolutely amazing, especially live.  The light show and fireworks... :omg:

Also: Dammit Seventh Son.
You can't deny the truth! :p
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on October 29, 2010, 11:13:41 AM
I love Marathon, but I think I love Manhatten Project just a wee bit more.

Marathon is much more emotional live whicch gives it a slight edge for me.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on October 29, 2010, 12:31:34 PM
Grace Under Pressure is still the best synth album.
I have to agree with this part. Honestly, out of the four synth albums, it's the only one that has really clicked with me.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Seventh Son on October 29, 2010, 12:33:27 PM
Grace Under Pressure is still the best synth album.
I have to agree with this part. Honestly, out of the four synth albums, it's the only one that has really clicked with me.
I enjoy P/G and PW a lot, but Signals/HYF don't do anything for me.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on October 29, 2010, 12:38:38 PM
Grace Under Pressure is still the best synth album.
I have to agree with this part. Honestly, out of the four synth albums, it's the only one that has really clicked with me.
I enjoy P/G and PW a lot, but Signals/HYF don't do anything for me.

P/G and PW are definitely the best albums... the other two have their moments but overall aren't very strong albums imo.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on October 29, 2010, 12:42:46 PM
Grace Under Pressure is still the best synth album.
I have to agree with this part. Honestly, out of the four synth albums, it's the only one that has really clicked with me.

The four synth albums?  Signals through Hold Your Fire, I presume?  Obviously they started using synths much earlier than that, and continued after, but I guess these four are the most synth-based.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on October 29, 2010, 12:46:04 PM
Synth ranking:

Power Windows


*sizable gap*

Signals
Hold Your Fire

Grace Under Pressure

Interestingly enough, Signals is my second favorite album overall, as well.

Which should tell you a bit about how much I love Power Windows :P
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on October 29, 2010, 12:56:46 PM
Power Windows>Signals>Grace Under Pressure=Hold Your Fire
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on October 29, 2010, 01:26:24 PM
I keep forgetting Losing It is on Signals... that makes the album a much stronger album then.

Signals is probably on par with GUP. Signals has better songs but I think GUP has a better "album feel".
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Seventh Son on October 29, 2010, 01:30:01 PM
I keep forgetting Losing It is on Signals... that makes the album a much stronger album then.

Signals is probably on par with GUP. Signals has better songs but I think GUP has a better "album feel".
There is not a single song on Signals that matches up with Between the Wheels, Afterimage, etc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on October 29, 2010, 01:33:52 PM
Subdivisions
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Seventh Son on October 29, 2010, 01:37:17 PM
Subdivisions
Subdivisions is great and all, but I'd honestly put every song on P/G over Subdivisions.

ib4massivedtfrage
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on October 29, 2010, 01:38:20 PM
Subdivisions
Subdivisions is great and all, but I'd honestly put every song on P/G over Subdivisions.

ib4massivedtfrage

There was a time that only I thought you were crazy, and now I'm happy because everyone can share that view now. :p
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on October 29, 2010, 01:57:19 PM
Subdivisions, Losing It, and The Analog Kid are better than everything on P/G.

But then you have Chemistry and Countdown... yuck.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on October 29, 2010, 03:50:52 PM
Chemistry is great. Countdown is yuck.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Seventh Son on October 29, 2010, 04:45:02 PM
Subdivisions, Losing It, and The Analog Kid are better than everything on P/G.

But then you have Chemistry and Countdown... yuck.
Between the Wheels says hi, kicks you in the nads and gives you the finger.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on October 29, 2010, 06:13:59 PM
Power Windows > Signals >> Grace Under Pressure > Hold Your Fire.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on October 29, 2010, 09:48:18 PM
Grace Under Pressure is still the best synth album.
I have to agree with this part. Honestly, out of the four synth albums, it's the only one that has really clicked with me.

The four synth albums?  Signals through Hold Your Fire, I presume?  Obviously they started using synths much earlier than that, and continued after, but I guess these four are the most synth-based.
While there are synths on other albums, those are the four albums where the synths have such a prominent role throughout.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: setrataeso on October 29, 2010, 11:43:28 PM
Power Windows and Hold Your Fire are my #1 and #2.
Yeah, I say screw all the synth haters. The 80s were awesome for Rush!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: tri.ad on October 30, 2010, 12:48:02 AM
Power Windows is amazing. Middletown Dreams is one of my favourite songs on this album, and it's a shame that it gets overlooked so often. Mystic Rhythms and Marathon are great as well, and Territories probably contain my favourite lyrics by Neil.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on October 30, 2010, 07:00:59 AM
Better beer!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on October 30, 2010, 10:03:22 AM
Grace Under Pressure is still the best synth album.
I have to agree with this part. Honestly, out of the four synth albums, it's the only one that has really clicked with me.

The four synth albums?  Signals through Hold Your Fire, I presume?  Obviously they started using synths much earlier than that, and continued after, but I guess these four are the most synth-based.
While there are synths on other albums, those are the four albums where the synths have such a prominent role throughout.

Yeah, I gathered from subsequent postings that these are the ones referred to as the "synth" albums.  Rush had that thing where they'd do four studio albums, then a live album, then the next four studio albums constituted something of a new "phase" or "era", so this is the synth era.

I listened to Signals yesterday, and will continue with Grace Under Pressure next.  I missed a lot of the 80's, due to various things going on in my life, and in general need to try and increase my appreciation for this most ridiculous decade.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Seventh Son on October 30, 2010, 10:05:35 AM
Grace Under Pressure is still the best synth album.
I have to agree with this part. Honestly, out of the four synth albums, it's the only one that has really clicked with me.

The four synth albums?  Signals through Hold Your Fire, I presume?  Obviously they started using synths much earlier than that, and continued after, but I guess these four are the most synth-based.
While there are synths on other albums, those are the four albums where the synths have such a prominent role throughout.

Yeah, I gathered from subsequent postings that these are the ones referred to as the "synth" albums.  Rush had that thing where they'd do four studio albums, then a live album, then the next four studio albums constituted something of a new "phase" or "era", so this is the synth era.

I listened to Signals yesterday, and will continue with Grace Under Pressure next.  I missed a lot of the 80's, due to various things going on in my life, and in general need to try and increase my appreciation for this most ridiculous decade.
Grace Under Pressure feels the most organic to me and probably why I love it more than any other synth album. PW is awesome as well. Signals/Hold Your Fire have their moments but are "meh" for the most part for me. I still really enjoy the synth era though! Their 90's stuff has been hard for me to get into though. The only 90's album I truly like all the way through would be Roll The Bones.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on October 30, 2010, 10:16:16 AM
There's something about the second album from a band, or from a certain part of a band's catalog.  Most of the time, the first album either fires on all eight cylinders, and the second album fails to follow up; or the first album shows great promise, and is good, but things don't really gel properly until the second album, when the band really figures out how to make it all work.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on November 12, 2010, 10:19:25 PM
(https://www.rushisaband.com/images/201011/1724.f.jpg)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on November 12, 2010, 10:21:57 PM
 :lol

And I actually temporarily forgot about Clockwork Angels. :caffeine: HOW MUCH LONGER?!?!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on November 12, 2010, 10:49:39 PM
Another update from Geddy about the Time Machine Tour going to Europe, and a bit of Clockwork Angels-related news:
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"We're in discussions right now trying to firm up some dates so I think we're gonna try to come over here in the late spring. If all goes well - we're supposed to be going right back into the studio and finish the work that we started before the last tour but there's something about the way the Time Machine Tour came together that we'd like as many Rush fans as possible to experience it. So I think we're gonna try and bring that tour to Europe." - Geddy Lee, Planet Rock, November 12, 2012

So if all goes to plan, they'll finish the album through the winter, probably gear back up for the tour early Spring, then take off for probably a month or two in Europe. Then probably take some time off while the new album gets mastered and produced, then probably released mid-summer. I'd expect a Clockwork Angels-tour to begin next fall (or even late summer), with a US Tour before Christmas 2011, then a European tour after New Years 2012. I hope for the fans' sake, they hit places like Asia and South America as well!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on November 12, 2010, 10:50:41 PM
The date is listed as "november 12 2012."  Something's fishy there.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on November 12, 2010, 10:53:47 PM
The date is listed as "november 12 2012."  Something's fishy there.

Oh, that might just be a typo. It's copied directly from https://news.2112.net/

Also, in case anyone missed this quote from Nick about the title track of the upcoming album:
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"I can already tell you that the title track is going to be one of the coolest things they've ever done. It's going to be epic. I told them, 'Don't try to write a single. Don't try to do anything conventional. Give me Rush from back in the day.' They don't need to write something for the sake of radio play. They're Rush! [laughs] So I think the record is going to be a little more bare bones, a little less produced. It's going to be more direct, with killer riffs, solos, pounding drums and Geddy singing up high the way he should. That, to me, is the sound of Rush." - Nick Raskulinecz, MusicRadar.com, November 3, 2010

Sounds like we may get something like FBN-2112 era Rush...maybe just without as HIGH of a voice as Geddy used to have, but I'm kind of hoping for one or two banshee screams/yells. Even just a "Finding My Way"-esque "YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH"  :metal

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on November 13, 2010, 10:03:29 AM
Yeah, and maybe they'll do a tour where they play nothing but epics. :lol

Hehe, forgive me for my pessimism, but every time Rush is working on a new album, we get that "It is gonna sound like old Rush" line...and then it never does.  Not that that is a bad thing.  I just think people shouldn't get their hopes up that they are suddenly gonna release an album that sounds like their material from their early days, because the odds of them doing that are slim to none.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on November 13, 2010, 12:51:08 PM
I don't know. I feel really good about this album though :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Seventh Son on November 13, 2010, 07:47:48 PM
Oh hey, Roll the Bones is the best 90's Rush album.

And "the rap" is actually pretty good.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on November 13, 2010, 08:39:36 PM
Oh hey, Roll the Bones is the best 90's Rush album.

And "the rap" is actually pretty good.  :biggrin:

I agree with this
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on November 13, 2010, 09:50:35 PM
Oh hey, Roll the Bones is the best 90's Rush album.

And "the rap" is actually pretty good.  :biggrin:

I agree with this

This. I'll agree RTB isn't the strongest album Rush has ever put out, but I've always had a soft spot for it, for one reason or another.

I really like Presto too. I think Presto/RTB are vastly underrated by the fanbase.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on November 13, 2010, 10:10:18 PM
I hate Roll The Bones. I love the title track though.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on November 13, 2010, 10:28:32 PM
Roll the Bones is a good album.  The title track is good.  The best 90s album?  Hell naw.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Seventh Son on November 14, 2010, 06:22:02 AM
Well, Test for Echo is crap and I'm not a fan of Counterparts.

That only leaves Roll the Bones as the best 90's Rush album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on November 14, 2010, 06:26:59 AM
Except Counterparts is the best.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Seventh Son on November 14, 2010, 06:34:08 AM
And I'm not a fan of Counterparts.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on November 14, 2010, 06:36:41 AM
Except Counterparts is the best.

Counterparts barely loses to Roll the Bones for me because it has a fair bit of filler, unlike RTB
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on November 14, 2010, 06:42:16 AM
I don't think of filler songs when I think about Counterparts.  MAYBE "Alien Shore."  Songs like "Neurotica" and "Face Up" I'd consider filler on RTB though.  "Face Up" is one of their worst songs, actually.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Seventh Son on November 14, 2010, 06:50:52 AM
I love Neurotica and Face Up  :|
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on November 14, 2010, 06:52:20 AM
I really like Face Up and Neurotica though :(.

I guess given that Roll the Bones was the first Rush album I ever heard I have more of an affinity for it
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on November 14, 2010, 06:54:18 AM
I just figured "Face Up" was a song no one talked about because it was so cringe-worthy.  I can understand liking Neurotica though.  I found the chorus a bit too cheesy for me.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Seventh Son on November 14, 2010, 06:56:37 AM
The chorus to Neurotica is catchy as fuck though, all cheese aside.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on November 14, 2010, 07:44:38 AM
Counterparts wins the 90's battle.  I favor Presto over RTB's by a hair.

Neurotica's chorus is killer but the rest of the song lacks.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on November 14, 2010, 09:39:34 AM

I guess given that Roll the Bones was the first Rush album I ever heard I have more of an affinity for it

I like it more than most because a) it had just came out when I was getting into Rush, and b) my first serious girlfriend (several months later) and I listened to it like crazy for most of the year we went out.  So, it will always be a nostalgic favorite of mine.  "Face Up" and "You Bet Your Life" are still pretty weak, however, and "Neurotica" could have been great with a much better chorus.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on November 14, 2010, 01:51:52 PM
Awesome

Grace
Power Windows
Roll the Bones

excellent

Counterparts
Signals (half of it is awesome... the other half synthy, Police-ish, Reggae bollocks)
HYF

Not great
Presto
TFE
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Seventh Son on November 14, 2010, 02:57:53 PM
I relistened to Test for Echo again today. Still don't like the album but I realized the album has 3 gems. Driven, Time and Motion, and Resist are really good songs stuck in an album of mediocrity.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on November 14, 2010, 03:17:10 PM

I guess given that Roll the Bones was the first Rush album I ever heard I have more of an affinity for it

I like it more than most because a) it had just came out when I was getting into Rush, and b) my first serious girlfriend (several months later) and I listened to it like crazy for most of the year we went out.  So, it will always be a nostalgic favorite of mine.  "Face Up" and "You Bet Your Life" are still pretty weak, however, and "Neurotica" could have been great with a much better chorus.

You Bet Your Life is easily my least favorite track on RTB. I still love Face Up though. And I'd love to see Where's My Thing? and The Big Wheel live
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on November 14, 2010, 11:20:57 PM
I would also love to see it again, but sadly, I think "Where's My Thing" was one of those "one tour and done" songs.  Then again, they could always want to add in another instrumental or two on future tours, to help save Geddy's voice over the course of a long tour, so you never know...


Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on November 14, 2010, 11:29:27 PM
I would also love to see it again, but sadly, I think "Where's My Thing" was one of those "one tour and done" songs.  Then again, they could always want to add in another instrumental or two on future tours, to help save Geddy's voice over the course of a long tour, so you never know...




I always would've like to have heard this brought back after the hiatus. I think it would've been interesting to hear with maybe some slight re-arrangements or sound/tone changes, something to give it a BIT more "oomph". I'd also like to see/hear them bring back "Limbo"... Perhaps a 90's Instrumedley of "Where's My Thing/Leave That Thing Alone/Limbo"... call it "Where's My Thing Alimbo?" And make it an exciting mash-up for bits and pieces of those songs...then dive into Neil's solo!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on November 14, 2010, 11:37:29 PM
Eh, no more medleys for me, please.  Rush hasn't done those in years, except for the "R30 Overture," so hopefully they are finished with them.   
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on November 14, 2010, 11:46:53 PM
Yeah, I would always prefer just hearing one song over a medley.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on November 15, 2010, 12:16:50 AM
I normally don't like medleys, but I actually wouldn't mind hearing a Rush 90s instrumental medley. I could see that working very well, actually.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on November 15, 2010, 12:22:56 AM
Eh, no more medleys for me, please.  Rush hasn't done those in years, except for the "R30 Overture," so hopefully they are finished with them.   

I usually only have problems with medleys if they are songs with lyrics - mashing together different songs with different lyrics makes little sense, but when it comes to instrumentals, I think it can be a creative way to present music, i.e. Dream Theater's "Instrumedley", or as you mentioned, the "R30 Overture" which, while originally were songs with lyrics, was made instrumental. I wouldn't mind something like that happening again.

But you're probably correct - I'm sure lots of Rush fans are more interested in full songs, and that being the case, I think I'd rather hear "Limbo" over "Where's My Thing?", especially since, IIRC, "Limbo" wasn't played throughout the entire TFE Tour, whereas "Where's My Thing?" was an RTB Tour staple.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: wolfking on November 15, 2010, 04:12:14 AM
OMG!!!  :facepalm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgT1AA7wtSI
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on November 15, 2010, 05:53:37 AM
Yeah, I would always prefer just hearing one song over a medley.

Yep.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on November 15, 2010, 06:50:21 AM
OMG!!!  :facepalm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgT1AA7wtSI

I thought it was pretty good.  Don't  :facepalm: just because its some lesser being covering Rush.

Agree with Kev and PLM.  Luckily at both shows I've been to there were no medleys.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Seventh Son on November 15, 2010, 04:30:21 PM
Question: Other than Caravan/BU2B, what B-sides are there by Rush? I get the impression that they don't have a whole lot of them.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on November 15, 2010, 04:35:49 PM
Question: Other than Caravan/BU2B, what B-sides are there by Rush? I get the impression that they don't have a whole lot of them.

Try this page 7th son.

https://www.musicintheabstract.org/
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on November 15, 2010, 04:37:09 PM
Neither of those songs are B-sides, Rush basically has no original b-sides.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Seventh Son on November 15, 2010, 04:38:56 PM
Neither of those songs are B-sides, Rush basically has no original b-sides.
Well, until The Clockwork Angels comes out that's how I'll refer to them :P
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: wolfking on November 15, 2010, 04:42:14 PM
OMG!!!  :facepalm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgT1AA7wtSI

I thought it was pretty good.  Don't  :facepalm: just because its some lesser being covering Rush.

Agree with Kev and PLM.  Luckily at both shows I've been to there were no medleys.

I'm not  :facepalm: because it's a lesser, I'm  :facepalm: because it's terrible.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on November 15, 2010, 04:55:28 PM
Neither of those songs are B-sides, Rush basically has no original b-sides.
Well, until The Clockwork Angels comes out that's how I'll refer to them :P

Why would you intentionally do something that is wrong? They are pre-album tracks originally released as a digital EP.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Seventh Son on November 15, 2010, 05:02:21 PM
Neither of those songs are B-sides, Rush basically has no original b-sides.
Well, until The Clockwork Angels comes out that's how I'll refer to them :P

Why would you intentionally do something that is wrong? They are pre-album tracks originally released as a digital EP.
Eh, my definition of EP is more than 2 small, short songs. In todays modern music world, I think of an EP being 20-40 minutes long. Its really just a personal connotation  :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on November 15, 2010, 05:29:08 PM
I'd say it's more of a double single.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on November 15, 2010, 05:43:07 PM
I think it was Geddy who once said in an interview that they don't have B-sides and unreleased tracks laying around, because when they get together to make an album, everything ends up on the album.  Most bands have "extra" songs or whatever you want to call them, but Rush writes and records songs until they have enough for an album, then go with it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on November 15, 2010, 08:45:55 PM
If you guys are gonna be technical (which, you usually are since you're all prog nerds), B sides don't have to be unreleased tracks, I believe. Couldn't you have a single with a B side that is included on the album as well? Rush has done this numerous times.

So if Caravan is the single/A-side, then I guess BU2B would be the B-Side.

EDIT - Maybe not? I guess if both songs are included on an album, its considered a "Double A-Side". I've never heard of that term before, but oh well.  :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on November 15, 2010, 08:47:31 PM
CD's don't have sides :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on November 15, 2010, 09:46:14 PM
CD's don't have sides :neverusethis:

Sure they do... you just don't get anything good from the other side. :lol

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on November 15, 2010, 10:02:34 PM
Digital downloads don't have sides :neverusethis:

Fix'd
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on November 16, 2010, 12:35:14 AM
Are we talking B-sides or tracks that have not appeared on an album?

There first single was Not Fade Away/You Can't Fight It...neither of which appeared on an album, but You Can't Fight it was the B-side (I think. I'm fading fast here myself...)


There have been PLENTY of B-Sides over the years but only Vital Signs (live) has never been released in one form or another. I think you also have those vault versions of The Trees and Working Man that were only released as downloads some years ago. The guitar solos are slightly different on those.

As far as unreleased studio songs, there aren't any as a few others have pointed out.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on November 16, 2010, 04:14:42 AM
Ytse, wasn't Vital Signs live released on a 45 B side.  I can't remember if it was New World man 45. I think?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Seventh Son on November 17, 2010, 02:11:14 PM
Listening to Power Windows again.

My god I forgot how awesome this album is  :metal

Its still only #3 for me though. A Farewell to Kings and Grace Under Pressure are just too good for me.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: wolfking on November 17, 2010, 04:09:11 PM
Listening to Power Windows again.

My god I forgot how awesome this album is  :metal

Its still only #3 for me though. A Farewell to Kings and Grace Under Pressure are just too good for me.

I might give Power Windows a spin later, haven't listened to that in a while.  On the other hand, I have been listening to Grace Uunder Pressure quite a bit.  Definitely a top 3 album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on November 17, 2010, 10:57:22 PM
I love the cold and wintery feel of P/G.  The album cover matches the feel and vibe of the music PERFECTLY.

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on November 17, 2010, 11:32:09 PM
Ytse, wasn't Vital Signs live released on a 45 B side.  I can't remember if it was New World man 45. I think?


"Vital Signs" live is the B-side on all the New World Man single formats. (The 45, 12" inch, Promo clear vinyl 12")




I just had Grace Under Pressure on in the car over the weekend.

Actually, my son picked it out and I was struck (yet again) on how awesome a song (and solo and jam) "Afterimage" is.

I'd love to hear an updated version of this, but I doubt it would ever happen.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: tri.ad on November 17, 2010, 11:41:02 PM
I love the cold and wintery feel of P/G.  The album cover matches the feel and vibe of the music PERFECTLY.

This, really. But for me, that phonemenon occurs rather often (but it's awesome when it REALLY fits well).
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Seventh Son on November 18, 2010, 08:00:39 AM
I love the cold and wintery feel of P/G.  The album cover matches the feel and vibe of the music PERFECTLY.


THIS

If only P/G had an epic, it just might pass AFTK for my #1 Rush album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on November 18, 2010, 08:21:02 AM
I love the cold and wintery feel of P/G.  The album cover matches the feel and vibe of the music PERFECTLY.



Very true. I love the little video they had of the cover on the P/G tour as well. Definitely my favorite Rush album art, and like you said it captures the feel of the album perfectly.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Seventh Son on November 18, 2010, 11:28:18 AM
The more I listen to Power Windows, the more I realize that Marathon and Territories are top 10 Rush songs  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on November 18, 2010, 12:16:13 PM
Top ten? Psh. Marathon is top 1
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on November 18, 2010, 12:17:38 PM
It's pretty good, but it's not that good.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Seventh Son on November 18, 2010, 12:18:00 PM
Top ten? Psh. Marathon is top 1
Not quite.

But I have an idea. Out of boredom I'm writing up a Rush list, would anyone be interested in it once I'm finished with it?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on November 18, 2010, 12:20:29 PM
I would read it but I'm not promising I won't strangle you once you inevitably start failing.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Seventh Son on November 18, 2010, 12:21:37 PM
I would read it but I'm not promising I won't strangle you once you inevitably start failing.
Honestly I expect all of DTF to strangle me once they see it  :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on November 18, 2010, 12:23:28 PM
I would read it but I'm not promising I won't strangle you once you inevitably start failing.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on November 18, 2010, 12:23:51 PM
So long as "Time and Motion" isn't in your top 140, I'll be fine with it. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Seventh Son on November 18, 2010, 12:25:09 PM
So long as "Time and Motion" isn't in your top 140, I'll be fine with it. :biggrin:
:neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on November 18, 2010, 12:34:14 PM
As long as Marathon makes it at least really close to the top ten we're cool.

Except Rivendell is not better than Anthem. At all
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on November 18, 2010, 12:36:42 PM
Marathon is definitely a top 10 for me as well. But my favorite is still Cygnus X-1, then La Villa, then Natural Science.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Seventh Son on November 18, 2010, 12:43:26 PM
As long as Marathon makes it at least really close to the top ten we're cool.

Except Rivendell is not better than Anthem. At all
I wouldn't disappoint you PLM, now would I?  ;)

And I used to really like Rivendell but its grown off on me. Still, I'm not a huge fan of Anthem, but you'll have to wait! Rush have too many good songs so this is definitely not easy :P
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on November 18, 2010, 12:49:57 PM
Top ten? Psh. Marathon is top 1

Almost. Top 3 for me, along with Xanadu and The Camera Eye.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Seventh Son on November 18, 2010, 08:10:09 PM
Well, I managed to forge a list together, starting from the bottom up (If I started from #1 and on I would have missed a song, somewhere). Thing is, its mostly from memory so I'm going to relisten to each album so I can restructure it so it becomes a bit more accurate. :P

Plus it would be cool to have some writeups already done by the time I start this.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: setrataeso on November 18, 2010, 08:42:03 PM
I relistened to Test for Echo again today. Still don't like the album but I realized the album has 3 gems. Driven, Time and Motion, and Resist are really good songs stuck in an album of mediocrity.

I remain firm in my stance that Test for Echo is an incredibly underrated album and my personal favourite from the 90s, even if most dont agree.
Nevertheless, I'm glad that you discovered the 3 best songs on that album (imo, Time and Motion, at the time, was the best song they had done since Lock and Key).
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on November 18, 2010, 08:58:47 PM
Just stopping by to say there has never been a band that makes music enjoyable on so many levels as Rush.

And Permanent Waves is the most perfect thing ever.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on November 18, 2010, 09:28:05 PM
When I think of Test for Echo, I think of this guy I worked with for a short while who was also a musician, one of the few times I actually worked with someone I could talk music with.  We discovered that Rush was a band we both liked, even though I was somewhat out of touch with them at the time, and he was reading the credits on Test for Echo, which included Hammered dulcimer.  He asked me where it was, and I had no idea, being not very familiar with TFE.  Days later, I'd forgotten about it, and he came and grabbed me over to his cubicle and put his headphones on me.  "Found it!" he said, and I heard it, suddenly remembered our conversation, and laughed.

I don't remember now what song it was.  It was in the middle of a jam, and just added for texture, but it was really cool.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Seventh Son on November 19, 2010, 07:11:37 AM
I relistened to Test for Echo again today. Still don't like the album but I realized the album has 3 gems. Driven, Time and Motion, and Resist are really good songs stuck in an album of mediocrity.

I remain firm in my stance that Test for Echo is an incredibly underrated album and my personal favourite from the 90s, even if most dont agree.
Nevertheless, I'm glad that you discovered the 3 best songs on that album (imo, Time and Motion, at the time, was the best song they had done since Lock and Key).
Well, I think there are a number of songs on HYF better than Lock and Key and a good number of great songs on Presto, RtB and even a few gems on Counterparts too (I don't think Counterparts is bad, just a lot of the album blends together for me) :P

Still, Driven is a goddamned masterpiece in my eyes. Time and Motion/Resist are excellent as well.

Edit: It seems my recent opinion of Hold Your Fire is steadily improving with each listen.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on November 19, 2010, 10:17:03 AM
So I just found out that my friend's band that I am playing bass for wants to cover "Subdivisions" at our first show.

I don't know how I feel about this. I love Rush and they are my favorite band, but I don't really want to do a cover, especially when its Rush and everyone is going to be looking to me expecting a good rendition of Geddy Lee's lines. Most of the song seems like typical Geddy grooves, but that first little scale climb... yikes.  :(
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on November 19, 2010, 10:29:37 AM
Well, the bass in Subdivisions isn't bad at all until the chorus and the solo section, and even then, they're pretty easy, comparatively, to the rest of the catalog. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on November 19, 2010, 10:45:51 AM
Those fills are tough starting out, but PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE. At the end of it you'll be saying "holy hell why did I ever think this was hard?"
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on November 19, 2010, 10:49:21 AM
Those fills are tough starting out, but PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE. At the end of it you'll be saying "holy hell why did I ever think this was hard?"

I just dunno if I'll have enough time. :( I'm not too great of a bassist. The sixteenth into thirtysecond notes are gonna kill me, and I have 20 minutes of music I have to learn on top of this cover.

I'm playing along with the guitar pro file and I'm having trouble just keeping up with that first fill at only half speed.  :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: bodiesinflight on November 22, 2010, 09:43:34 AM
Ok, so Rush are touring the UK in May but the tickets are REALLY, REALLY, REALLY expensive.

Basically I need to know if Rush are amazing enough live for me to blow £60 on, bearing in mind that I'm a fairly big fan of the band but not a massive, massive fan.

 ???
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on November 22, 2010, 10:27:58 AM
They are certainly amazing enough.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on November 22, 2010, 11:10:02 AM
Ok, so Rush are touring the UK in May but the tickets are REALLY, REALLY, REALLY expensive.

Basically I need to know if Rush are amazing enough live for me to blow £60 on, bearing in mind that I'm a fairly big fan of the band but not a massive, massive fan.

 ???

Best show you'll ever see. Seriously
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on November 22, 2010, 11:43:07 AM
Ok, so Rush are touring the UK in May but the tickets are REALLY, REALLY, REALLY expensive.

Basically I need to know if Rush are amazing enough live for me to blow £60 on, bearing in mind that I'm a fairly big fan of the band but not a massive, massive fan.

 ???

Yes. 1000x yes. They are one of the best live bands in my opinion. Part of it is the audience too... the audience is filled with people that genuinely LOVE the band, so it creates a great atmosphere. But the band is in top form every night.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on November 22, 2010, 03:30:17 PM
Seriously, I still view the Rush concert as the best thing that's happened in my life (so far).
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MetalManiac666 on November 22, 2010, 05:14:31 PM
They are certainly amazing enough.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on November 23, 2010, 03:19:19 AM
Ok, so Rush are touring the UK in May but the tickets are REALLY, REALLY, REALLY expensive.

Basically I need to know if Rush are amazing enough live for me to blow £60 on, bearing in mind that I'm a fairly big fan of the band but not a massive, massive fan.

 ???

They are brilliant live but if I wasn't a big fan I wouldn't pay £60 to see anyone. I am a huge fan and I won't pay £60! £75 with booking fee!!! By contrast Maiden are £37. I was looking forward to seeing them again but that price is taking the piss and it's time to take a stand. If they were playing the whole of AFTK I probably would pay it but there will be a high quotient of post 1990 tracks (even if they play the whole of MP on this tour) so it's goodbye from me.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: 3MinuteWarning on November 23, 2010, 04:29:07 PM
Yeah I feel a bit cheated by the prices.  It kinda goes against the whole working man thing.  70% price increase in 3 years...get a grip.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on November 23, 2010, 05:12:04 PM
People are willing to pay for it, and whoever sets the price naturally wants to make a profit. That's business; that's life.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on November 23, 2010, 05:37:59 PM
I'll pay anything to see them but I'm just a maniac! Maaaannniiiaaaccc!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: tri.ad on November 24, 2010, 12:15:36 AM
And now for something different:

You know, if HYF wouldn't have Tai Shan and High Water on it, it would be easily able to hold up against P/G and PoW. This album gets too much flak.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on November 24, 2010, 12:35:56 AM
The album isn't great, but its not bad either. However, I'd take P/G and PoW over HYF any day, so it doesn't get too many plays from me.

Still, when I do play through I enjoy it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: cthrubuoy on November 24, 2010, 01:51:42 AM
UK presale happening 9am at https://www.planetrock.com/
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: cthrubuoy on November 24, 2010, 02:12:01 AM
On the cost:
There are actually 4 prices. £75, £65, £55 and £45. You'll be allocated seating depending on the price you choose. I chose £55 and got block 113 in the Manchester MEN.
(https://www.gigsport.com/images/seatingplan/MENArena_EndstageSeating.gif)



As a side note:
I GOT FUCKIN RUSH TICKETS YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on November 24, 2010, 04:17:03 AM
I'll take HYF over TFE any day...

And I owe a huge apology to the song Vital Signs. I hated it when I was younger and have always skipped it since, but I was watching an excellent boot of the columbus Ohio gig from this tour and the song clicked. No more skipping it and the album is now a start to finish classic.

Now to listen to Hemispheres side one with new ears...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on November 24, 2010, 07:14:24 AM
On the cost:
There are actually 4 prices. £75, £65, £55 and £45. You'll be allocated seating depending on the price you choose. I chose £55 and got block 113 in the Manchester MEN.
(https://www.gigsport.com/images/seatingplan/MENArena_EndstageSeating.gif)



As a side note:
I GOT FUCKIN RUSH TICKETS YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Not the best angle.... but all that matters is that you'll be there :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on November 24, 2010, 04:21:43 PM
And now for something different:

You know, if HYF wouldn't have Tai Shan and High Water on it, it would be easily able to hold up against P/G and PoW. This album gets too much flak.

Hold Your Fire was the first Rush studio album to acknowledge the CD age and be more than 50 minutes.  So at least one extra song was written with that in mind.

That said, the musicianship on Hold Your Fire is off the charts. 

I think it holds up to the two that came before it. Unfortunately, they had painted themselves into a stylistic corner and could not go any farther in that direction which is why they stepped back a bit for Presto.

It's definately an album that requires more than a few listens because there is a lot under the surface that you don't pick up on right away.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on November 24, 2010, 10:11:22 PM
I've never understood why "High Water" gets slagged by the fan base so much; I think it is a terrific song.  I even think "Tai Shan" is quite enjoyable, albeit a bit out there for them.  For my money, "Second Nature" is easily HYF's weakest link.

And "Open Secrets" is one of the best Rush songs that almost no one ever talks about.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: tri.ad on November 24, 2010, 11:40:19 PM
Yeah, Open Secrets really is a good song, but it can't beat Lock And Key for me.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on November 25, 2010, 05:34:34 AM
Open Secrets is my fav for album cuts. I wish they played it live.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on November 28, 2010, 04:01:43 AM
I just listened to Hold Your Fire in its entirety for the first time, and I'm astonished at how good the lyrics are. The lyrics to Tai Shan in particular are fantastic. Conjured up all sorts of images in my head, I felt like I was on top of the mountain with Neil. So awesome.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zantera on November 28, 2010, 05:23:01 AM
Rush is coming to a city that's 2 ½ hours of cardriving from me, and i really want to go, but i probably wont because i saw the prices, and i was like:  :sadpanda:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on November 28, 2010, 05:26:52 AM
I got invited last night by a friend to go see Rush in Stockholm next May! Hopefully the tickets won't be released yet, since my economy is dire during the Christmas holidays. I've got a feeling they will be pretty expensive.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on November 28, 2010, 08:48:35 AM
theyre totally worth the price though
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zantera on November 28, 2010, 09:07:35 AM
I'm pretty sure they are worth it, but it's just that this is the worst month they could release the tickets, because of Christmas mostly money will be a problem.
Also, i consider myself to be a somewhat casual Rush-fan.
I do enjoy them when i listen to them, but i'm nowhere near the fanboy-status that some people here have, so it's a hard choice for me. :P
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on November 28, 2010, 11:24:00 AM
I'd look at it as this.  I missed Pink Floyd in the 70's because I was too young.  I had to see them in the 90's and I'm glad I didn't miss them since it was their last tour. Look at seeing Rush the same way.  Now,  it won't be Rush's last tour I'd think,  but you never know if they'll stop touring in Europe like they did for over a decade.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on November 28, 2010, 11:27:03 AM
And if you're worried about not having money for Christmas presents and Rush tickets then combine them. Get someone Rush tickets.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on November 28, 2010, 12:27:10 PM
If they don't like 'em, they're an ungrateful bastard.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PaulEMoz on November 28, 2010, 02:19:28 PM
Rush is my wife's favourite band, so despite the fact I had already bought her a Kindle for Christmas and she didn't want me to get her anything else, I couldn't resist.

Row A.

She doesn't know.  I think she'll be happy.

 :D
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on November 28, 2010, 02:29:40 PM
I listened to Snakes & Arrows Live during the drive back to school today and the Snakes & Arrows songs sound so good. What an amazing record.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on November 28, 2010, 03:43:53 PM
I listened to Snakes & Arrows Live during the drive back to school today and the Snakes & Arrows songs sound so good. What an amazing record.

It is amazing. I love listening to it
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on November 28, 2010, 10:08:16 PM
https://www.rush.com/low/tour.html

More North American dates...including Greensboro NC on a Friday!  Me=happy!  :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

Of course this also means I will be spending lots of money again... :(  Even worse its not an outdoor gig, meaning no relatively cheap lawn seats...

But the pros outweigh all the cons.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on November 28, 2010, 10:17:49 PM
https://www.rush.com/low/tour.html

More North American dates...including Greensboro NC on a Friday!  Me=happy!  :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

Of course this also means I will be spending lots of money again... :(  Even worse its not an outdoor gig, meaning no relatively cheap lawn seats...

But the pros outweigh all the cons.

Oh holy crap!!! I may have to go to the Baltimore show on 4/22... this time I'm saving up money for it. Gotta find some peeps who may wanna go as well!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Scard on November 28, 2010, 10:19:18 PM
I just might have to go to the Hamilton date, as I missed both Toronto dates earlier this year
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The King in Crimson on November 28, 2010, 10:23:43 PM
https://www.rush.com/low/tour.html

More North American dates...including Greensboro NC on a Friday!  Me=happy!  :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

Of course this also means I will be spending lots of money again... :(  Even worse its not an outdoor gig, meaning no relatively cheap lawn seats...

But the pros outweigh all the cons.
Sonuvabitch! Yes!

I've been procrastinating on seeing Rush for a couple of years now, but not this time! Even if I have to club one of my friends half to death and drag him to the show, I'm gonna see some goddamn Rush.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on November 29, 2010, 12:19:42 AM
If at all possible I'll be at either Hershey or MSG.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on November 29, 2010, 06:18:20 AM
Where the fuck is Hershey NJ?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on November 29, 2010, 06:31:35 AM
I have seen Rush 37 times and have not missed a tour since my first in 1981. I have a feeling this one may be my first.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on November 29, 2010, 08:28:13 AM
I have seen Rush 37 times and have not missed a tour since my first in 1981. I have a feeling this one may be my first.
tick, this is a second leg of the tour though.  Your record is intact!!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on November 29, 2010, 08:40:34 AM
I noticed that they are offering almost the same stuff as part of the VIP package again.  Well, they won't fool anyone with this stuff this time:

#  - Specially Designed Tour Shirt (exclusive design, available to ticket packages only)
# - Exclusive Tour Poster (numbered, limited)

:lol

And since the tour program has the official Time Machine set list listed in it, unless they change it in the program, you would have to assume that the set list will be exactly the same.  At best, they might swap out of a few songs (like they did for the 2nd leg of the S&A tour), but I wouldn't expect any major changes at all.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on November 29, 2010, 09:50:39 AM
I might go to the NYC show. I wish Rush changed up their setlist so I'd have more of an incentive though...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: 73109 on November 29, 2010, 09:54:38 AM
Wow. They are playing MSG. That is cool. I won't go, but that is still pretty cool. The show I saw in Allentown was amazing though.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on November 29, 2010, 02:08:08 PM
GREENSBORO DATE! YES!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on November 29, 2010, 03:19:06 PM
Wow. They are playing MSG. That is cool. I won't go, but that is still pretty cool. The show I saw in Allentown was amazing though.

Except when you thought La Villa Strantiago was boring because you're a total failure.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on November 29, 2010, 03:57:05 PM
Yeah, I'll probably wait till I see the setlist, and if it changes I'll get Hershey tickets.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: zxlkho on November 29, 2010, 04:13:51 PM
I'll most likely be going to the Greensboro show. Who else will be there? SDN?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on November 29, 2010, 04:17:57 PM
I will not miss it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: zxlkho on November 29, 2010, 04:21:56 PM
Awesome. This will be my first Rush show.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on November 29, 2010, 04:34:44 PM
It's going to be my second. You'll love it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: zxlkho on November 29, 2010, 04:38:05 PM
We should have a DTF meetup because I'm sure that SDN will be there.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on November 29, 2010, 04:40:05 PM
Just realized that the Baltimore Show tickets go on sale the FIRST DAY of ticket sales for this leg of the tour...but it's the last show of the NA leg. UGH... hopefully the tickets aren't TOO expensive, or I can convince my dad for an early Xmas gift this year...

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on November 29, 2010, 04:43:13 PM
NICK. NICK. GO TO THE HERSHEY SHOW. THAT'S THE ONE I'M GOING TO


KTHXBAI
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on November 29, 2010, 04:54:52 PM
And since the tour program has the official Time Machine set list listed in it, unless they change it in the program, you would have to assume that the set list will be exactly the same.  At best, they might swap out of a few songs (like they did for the 2nd leg of the S&A tour), but I wouldn't expect any major changes at all.



Exactly. A few songs might be swapped out, which is enough to get me to one show and possible another depending on which songs are in. Although, if the US leg is only a month, they may not switch anything.

The MSG show will be number 33 for me I think. I haven't missed an American leg since I started going in 1986.


Tickets will be a little more than last year. Count on it.


Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Rina on November 29, 2010, 06:06:15 PM
We should have a DTF meetup because I'm sure that SDN will be there.

I wish I could go, lol, sounds fun.  :tup

Post vids!!!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on November 29, 2010, 06:07:21 PM
I hope they announce some west coast dates.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on November 29, 2010, 06:09:34 PM
I'm gonna wait on the setlist. If they change it up a bit and add songs I'm interested in, I'll probably make the trip down to NYC.

I'd love to see Rush again, but its kind of far, expensive, and they'll be touring for the new album soon...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on November 29, 2010, 09:25:58 PM
I"m seeing them regardless of setlist changes or lack thereof. Rush is too good to pass up at all as far as I'm concerned. My bank account is going to be drained next year :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Jamesman42 on November 29, 2010, 09:33:37 PM
Nooooo, they're going to be in Fort Lauderdale. So tempting.

I saw them during my ban from here, man, it was awesome. We had lawn seats but it didn't matter, it was great view anywhere. Luckily, we were pretty dead-center and midway in the lawn section. We lucked out there. Amazing energy from the band and crowd. And seeing Moving Pictures in its entirety was great, as were the skits ( :rollin).
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on November 30, 2010, 10:49:49 AM
I'm so happy I'm going to see Rush in my hometown of Rotterdam in a venue thats like a ten minute bike ride
 ;D
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on December 01, 2010, 06:42:55 AM
I must be at the point where I have been over spoiled with how many times I have seen Rush, because as I read this thread I realize that a second leg of the same tour means absolutely nothing to me. I don't mean this in an offensive way. I just could care less.
I do feel happy that our European fans will get the chance to see what was an awesome show.
I guess I'm selfish but I wish they were just going to Europe then going to work on the new album. That is the only thing Rush could do to get me pumped up for the future.
Oh well, time goes by so fast the album will be here before I know it.
:tick2:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on December 01, 2010, 07:06:18 AM
Tickets go on sale in 54 minutes :caffeine:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on December 01, 2010, 08:17:18 AM
Section B1, Row 22, Seats 9 and 10. the EXACT same seats we had at camden, just six rows back lol

I could have gotten row 16, but it was too far off to the right. These are more centered :D
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: kala1928 on December 01, 2010, 08:18:22 AM
Gots my ticket to Helsinki show any day now, going with a good friend and my spouse.
First time in Finland I hear!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: zxlkho on December 01, 2010, 09:40:56 AM
When do tickets go on sale for the Greensboro show??
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on December 01, 2010, 11:29:43 AM
Tickets go on sale in 54 minutes :caffeine:

How?  The site says December 6th for Hershey.

Letters: the greensboro show goes on sale Dec. 11th according to the site.

EDIT: SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT I didn't see the thing about presales!  FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK.  Just signed up, don't know how to get to presale info.  Help?

EDIT AGAIN: Okay, no greensboro presale dates yet, and I already had an account on the site.  Now I'm subscribed to the stupid mailing list.  Damn.  Oh well.  PHEW.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on December 01, 2010, 03:58:45 PM
So what do we need to do for the pre-sale? Just sign up for the newsletter?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on December 01, 2010, 04:59:14 PM
https://rush.musictoday.com/Rush/calendar.aspx

Try that.  Sign up there and you can see the calendar and see the presale tickets.  Following Rushisaband on twitter will let you see when the presales start.  Planning on hitting Greensboro, TOX?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on December 01, 2010, 06:31:40 PM
I'm so excited. December 11th can't get here fast enough. I'm definitely getting pit tickets this time. OH MY GOD $135 A TICKET INCLUDING FEES FOR PIT.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: zxlkho on December 01, 2010, 06:38:38 PM
OH MY GOD $135 A TICKET INCLUDING FEES FOR PIT.
WTF IS THIS SHIT
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on December 01, 2010, 06:40:41 PM
I'm so excited. December 11th can't get here fast enough. I'm definitely getting pit tickets this time. OH MY GOD $135 A TICKET INCLUDING FEES FOR PIT.

I paid that. Totally worth it :caffeine:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on December 01, 2010, 06:43:22 PM
I agree but damn. I'm going to be in the front row, bitches!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on December 01, 2010, 07:01:56 PM
I agree but damn. I'm going to be in the front row, bitches!

Only if you get VIP package tickets













Which are 330 each
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on December 01, 2010, 07:03:30 PM
This pit isn't GA? Would it depend on the venue?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on December 01, 2010, 07:06:14 PM
It may be pit, but there'll be seats. It's Rush, after all, not Metallica
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on December 01, 2010, 07:39:42 PM
I've seen mosh pits during 2112. I'm not sure...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on December 01, 2010, 08:01:35 PM
Do you get to meet the band with VIP tickets?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on December 01, 2010, 08:15:44 PM
No, but if you buy through Music Today you get entered for a meet and greet.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on December 02, 2010, 08:17:21 PM
https://rush.musictoday.com/Rush/calendar.aspx

Try that.  Sign up there and you can see the calendar and see the presale tickets.  Following Rushisaband on twitter will let you see when the presales start.  Planning on hitting Greensboro, TOX?

Would love to. But money might be a big issue.

Would we try and co-ordinate seats? Or would we just buy GA tickets?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on December 02, 2010, 08:20:34 PM
Looking at the Colisseum seating chart, the floor is seated, so we'd have to do a damn good job getting seats close-ish to each other.  I have a bunch of money at the ready to pay for the less expensive presale tickets. 

One of the reasons I like Rush in outdoor venues is that lawn seats aren't that expensive, I can get there early and get pretty close, you can still see the band, and you're the only one standing up and rocking the fuck out.  There's no great option for the money-deprived in an indoor venue.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: zxlkho on December 02, 2010, 08:40:48 PM
We should all try to get seats together. That would be awesome. My friends that don't want to spend $150 can find somewhere else to sit. :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on December 02, 2010, 08:42:42 PM
I could spend $150 if I can convince my parents to get me tickets as a Christmas present. But I would feel horrible doing that because they just paid my tuition today.

Do we know when the pre-sale date is yet?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on December 02, 2010, 09:19:30 PM
Nope.  Seems like the best option is to check the calendar or Rushisaband each morning.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on December 02, 2010, 09:42:28 PM
You can follow them on Twitter too if that's somehow more convenient
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on December 02, 2010, 10:10:09 PM
I still haven't decided if I'm gonna do the MSG show or not, but there should definitely be a DTF meet up.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Curious Orange on December 03, 2010, 04:27:52 AM
European dates! Yay! Am going to London O2 (but what an awful venue) - see ya there! And they're playing Red Barchetta! W00t!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on December 03, 2010, 08:29:03 AM
I just got floor tickets for the Rotterdam show!!!
 :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on December 03, 2010, 12:09:11 PM
Looks like presales for the remaining shows will be either monday or tuesday

https://www.rushisaband.com
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on December 03, 2010, 12:11:28 PM
Looks like presales for the remaining shows will be either monday or tuesday

https://www.rushisaband.com

PLM, you should go to the MSG show as well as the Hershey one.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on December 03, 2010, 12:15:59 PM
Looks like presales for the remaining shows will be either monday or tuesday

https://www.rushisaband.com

PLM, you should go to the MSG show as well as the Hershey one.  :biggrin:

Listen, I just paid 280 bucks for two tickets. There's no way i can go to another show unless someone pays for me, and for my transportation :P
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jsem on December 03, 2010, 01:13:23 PM
Rush is coming to stockholm in 6 months. EPICNESS!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: drummerThatShreds87 on December 03, 2010, 02:37:18 PM
Finally got around to watching "Beyond the Lighted Stage" yesterday.

Good god, such a good MOVIE standalone, I think I'm going to watch it again. Made me love Rush all over again.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on December 03, 2010, 02:39:53 PM
Before the concert, I think I might deprive myself of Rush so I can appreciate them more.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on December 03, 2010, 03:55:24 PM
Finally got around to watching "Beyond the Lighted Stage" yesterday.

Good god, such a good MOVIE standalone, I think I'm going to watch it again. Made me love Rush all over again.

Did you watch the extras DTS87?  I need to watch this again.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Kosmo on December 04, 2010, 04:33:18 PM
Moving Pictures is my favourite Rush album.  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on December 04, 2010, 04:47:14 PM
Rush? Isn't that the band that does Tom Sawyer?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on December 04, 2010, 07:13:13 PM
No, it's Huckleberry Finn. Dumbass.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on December 04, 2010, 07:35:09 PM
NO, TOM SAWYER FLOATED DOWN THE RIVER WITH A BLACK GUY, I READ THE BOOK
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on December 04, 2010, 07:46:01 PM
I AM GEDDY LEE, AND I WILL SING WHATEVER LYRICS I WANT!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on December 04, 2010, 09:21:08 PM
FINE!!!

AND A ONE, AND A TWO, AND A ONE TWO THREE A ONE TWO THREE...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on December 04, 2010, 11:13:54 PM
Even though I've listened to Tom Sawyer a million times (actually, 346 times in the last 5 years according to last.fm), I still love the song. So, so much.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on December 06, 2010, 10:15:32 AM
MSG presale started this morning

Also, you lucky fucks in Cleveland get this:

Quote
Rush.com announces that the 4/15 show at Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland will be filmed! https://www.rushisaband.com/display.php?id=2408
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on December 06, 2010, 10:16:31 AM
Pretty appropriate too considering what the last song of the setlist was.

Looks like everyone else gets a presale tomorrow.  INCLUDING ME!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on December 06, 2010, 10:20:35 AM
Also 4/15 is tax day :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: zxlkho on December 06, 2010, 11:18:55 AM
4/15 is also my birthday! :D
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on December 06, 2010, 12:06:56 PM
:veronica:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 06, 2010, 03:56:38 PM
I've got tickets to the Detroit show! :caffeine:

Pretty much the very back of the floor, but Rush is Rush, so I'm not one to complain.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on December 06, 2010, 04:09:44 PM
I've got tickets to the Detroit show! :caffeine:

Pretty much the very back of the floor, but Rush is Rush, so I'm not one to complain.
Alex is going to blow you mind UMH.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 06, 2010, 04:12:13 PM
I hope they play La Villa so I can hear is stream of consciousness rant.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on December 06, 2010, 04:36:05 PM
I wish they would hurry up and announce some west coast dates. I was hoping to get me an my Dad tickets for Christmas.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on December 06, 2010, 04:47:31 PM
I hope they play La Villa so I can hear is stream of consciousness rant.

I don't remember him doing it this tour.  There was a great website that had al his rants from 2002 tour.  I can't remember what the website was.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on December 06, 2010, 04:48:03 PM
Rumor is no announcement before Christmas and the concerts are in June.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on December 06, 2010, 06:14:32 PM
I've got tickets to the Detroit show! :caffeine:

Pretty much the very back of the floor, but Rush is Rush, so I'm not one to complain.

Dude, why not go to Cleveland? IT'S BEING FILMED
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 06, 2010, 06:16:06 PM
I REALIZED THAT AFTER MY DAD BOUGHT THE TICKETS.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on December 06, 2010, 06:16:56 PM
Worst timing then :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on December 06, 2010, 09:14:49 PM
Going for the $76 Greensboro tickets.  Hoping for B or C (center or Geddy's side), but I'll be fine with whatever.  ITS EFFING RUSH, MANG!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on December 06, 2010, 09:21:31 PM
And now, we pray.

My sister is in, I'm willing to make it work...

All that needs to happen is my friend needs to agree to my Rush in Cleveland/Pittsburgh the next day trip and I will be at a Rush DVD shoot.

Any other time this wouldn't be a question, but he *just* settled on a house which he moves into in January.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on December 06, 2010, 10:09:02 PM
I'm in for pit tickets regardless, I wish I could get online to the pre-sale though.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on December 06, 2010, 11:08:00 PM
And now, we pray.

My sister is in, I'm willing to make it work...

All that needs to happen is my friend needs to agree to my Rush in Cleveland/Pittsburgh the next day trip and I will be at a Rush DVD shoot.

Any other time this wouldn't be a question, but he *just* settled on a house which he moves into in January.

I mentioned this on facebook, but which seats are you planning on getting? I'd go too if I can afford it
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on December 07, 2010, 08:04:40 AM
Floor seats, section A, row 34, seat 6.  Tried refreshing a few times to see if I could get B or C, but decided to just stick with A just in case.  WOOOOOOOOOOOO

letters, TOX, and anyone else: since co-ordinating seats will be a bitch and a half, want to try and meet up at a restaurant or something beforehand and have dinner before we haver our religious experience?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on December 07, 2010, 08:16:03 AM
Dude, you sit there for at least an hour until you get the seats you want. I sat there for 30 minutes before I got the ones I wanted :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on December 07, 2010, 08:30:21 AM
I don't like waiting around.  I'm afraid that I'm not going to get any seats if I just wait around for them.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on December 07, 2010, 09:21:26 AM
Well that's how you get the good ones, because they're not all released at once :P
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on December 07, 2010, 03:33:58 PM
This is gonna be my first time buying tickets so I need some advice on how to get good tix. How long should I keep refreshing for better seats?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on December 07, 2010, 03:40:08 PM
If you don't get good ones right away, refresh. The way things normally work is this:

Ticketmaster/LiveNation will release bad tickets first. Thus the die-hards who wait at the computer when they go onsale miss out on good seats. As time goes on, new seats will be released (and this is actually so that scalpers can't just buy up the best seats first to resell). Just keep doing this until you feel you have the best seats possible
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on December 07, 2010, 04:49:53 PM
And now, we pray.

My sister is in, I'm willing to make it work...

All that needs to happen is my friend needs to agree to my Rush in Cleveland/Pittsburgh the next day trip and I will be at a Rush DVD shoot.

Any other time this wouldn't be a question, but he *just* settled on a house which he moves into in January.

I mentioned this on facebook, but which seats are you planning on getting? I'd go too if I can afford it

Since front section is only $95 I'll probably do that, might as well considering the distance I'd be traveling.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on December 07, 2010, 06:25:21 PM
They really need to announce a show in Halifax. I don't understand why they continue to ignore an entire region of their home country.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on December 07, 2010, 07:30:58 PM
And now, we pray.

My sister is in, I'm willing to make it work...

All that needs to happen is my friend needs to agree to my Rush in Cleveland/Pittsburgh the next day trip and I will be at a Rush DVD shoot.

Any other time this wouldn't be a question, but he *just* settled on a house which he moves into in January.

I mentioned this on facebook, but which seats are you planning on getting? I'd go too if I can afford it

Since front section is only $95 I'll probably do that, might as well considering the distance I'd be traveling.

Holy shit the front section is only 95? Damn that's a good price.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on December 07, 2010, 07:33:52 PM
West coats dates, please.

Pretty please?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on December 07, 2010, 07:41:09 PM
Doesn't look like I'll be going to the MSG show.

 :sadpanda:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on December 07, 2010, 11:32:04 PM
A Rush tour and I am not getting tickets.  This seems weird. :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on December 08, 2010, 11:08:47 AM
And now, we pray.

My sister is in, I'm willing to make it work...

All that needs to happen is my friend needs to agree to my Rush in Cleveland/Pittsburgh the next day trip and I will be at a Rush DVD shoot.

Any other time this wouldn't be a question, but he *just* settled on a house which he moves into in January.

I mentioned this on facebook, but which seats are you planning on getting? I'd go too if I can afford it

Since front section is only $95 I'll probably do that, might as well considering the distance I'd be traveling.

Holy shit the front section is only 95? Damn that's a good price.

I have to see how many tickets I end up getting, right now I have two for my sister and I, but I might get more on Saturday. The problem is I plan on staying with a friend in Pittsburgh the Saturday after the show and hanging out with him, but anything is possible, just gotta see how things play out.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on December 08, 2010, 11:13:06 AM
You could stay with icysk8r :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on December 08, 2010, 11:16:09 AM
So I listened to all of Hold Your Fire for the first time in a while today.  Man, the album drops off after "Time Stand Still," doesn't get back up till "Lock and Key," and then takes a nosedive into horribleness after "Turn the Page."  No wonder I don't listen to it that much.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on December 08, 2010, 12:11:17 PM
So I listened to all of Hold Your Fire for the first time in a while today.  Man, the album drops off after "Time Stand Still," doesn't get back up till "Lock and Key," and then takes a nosedive into horribleness after "Turn the Page."  No wonder I don't listen to it that much.

This post makes me sad.  "Prime Mover" and "Open Secrets" are both magnificent.  However, the sound of it can be a difficult hill to climb, as it is so bright and tinny, but without the fat bottom end that Power Windows had.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on December 08, 2010, 12:20:13 PM
So I listened to all of Hold Your Fire for the first time in a while today.  Man, the album drops off after "Time Stand Still," doesn't get back up till "Lock and Key," and then takes a nosedive into horribleness after "Turn the Page."  No wonder I don't listen to it that much.

This post makes me sad.  "Prime Mover" and "Open Secrets" are both magnificent.  However, the sound of it can be a difficult hill to climb, as it is so bright and tinny, but without the fat bottom end that Power Windows had.

I love Prime Mover, personally
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on December 08, 2010, 08:10:44 PM
Prime Mover's all right, but not as good as Force Ten/Time Stand Still, and Open Secrets wasn't my cup of tea, whatever it is.

I've also decided I'm listening to Rush albums that don't get much recognition today.  Listening to Roll the Bones right now.  Pretty good except for "Face Up."
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 08, 2010, 08:11:35 PM
Roll the Bones is amazing. I can't believe it doesn't get much attention.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on December 08, 2010, 08:34:15 PM
Roll the Bones is amazing. I can't believe it doesn't get much attention.

The album? I've always had a soft spot for it due to nostalgic reasons. I also never understood why everyone hates Neurotica, I love the opening to that song.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on December 08, 2010, 08:37:16 PM
Roll the Bones is amazing. I can't believe it doesn't get much attention.

The album? I've always had a soft spot for it due to nostalgic reasons. I also never understood why everyone hates Neurotica, I love the opening to that song.

Same

And Face Up is awesome too
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on December 08, 2010, 08:42:30 PM
The Big Wheel is where it's at.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on December 08, 2010, 08:45:51 PM
That too
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on December 08, 2010, 09:42:38 PM
"Ghost Of A Chance" is the best them.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on December 09, 2010, 06:31:55 PM
Armor and Sword is actually a damn good song.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on December 09, 2010, 09:25:59 PM
Armor and Sword is actually a damn good song.
+1.  S&A in general is just awesome.

New topic: if any of you guys have significant others who are into Rush, check this out:
https://betweensunandmoon.ecrater.com/

Jewelry all named/inspired by Rush songs and lyrics.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on December 09, 2010, 10:15:23 PM
From news.2112.net -
Quote
"CLOCKWORK ANGELS" UPDATE - GEDDY LEE: 'END OF 2011'
The December issue of Classic Rock magazine includes an interview with Geddy Lee given in November when Rush received the Living Legends award. Geddy was asked about the status of the upcoming album Clockwork Angels:
"It's a long way from finished. About half of it is written, hopefully it'll be done by the end of 2011." - Geddy Lee, Classic Rock, December 2010

END OF 2011?!?!?! NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...

So we have to wait nearly a WHOLE YEAR until we get to hear this new album?!... *cue the cries of "It better be worth the wait"...*

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on December 09, 2010, 10:19:50 PM
 :tdwn

I'd much rather them scrap the second leg of the tour and just finish the album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on December 09, 2010, 10:40:04 PM
:tdwn

I'd much rather them scrap the second leg of the tour and just finish the album.

A week ago I would have said this.  Now that I have my ticket, I'd rather they didn't unless they gave me a full refund including service charges.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on December 09, 2010, 10:41:27 PM
Ouch. Yeah, I'd have rather gotten a new album then another leg.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on December 09, 2010, 10:42:47 PM
:tdwn

I'd much rather them scrap the second leg of the tour and just finish the album.

A week ago I would have said this.  Now that I have my ticket, I'd rather they didn't unless they gave me a full refund including service charges.

Well, of course they won't actually cancel the tour. I just mean I would have preferred them to go into the studio, finish the album, and THEN tour.

Sadly I will not be attending any shows this tour, unless the setlist has something I REALLY want to hear... like Cygnus X-1 or Xanadu or something like that. Otherwise, its too far and I just can't afford to go. :(
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on December 10, 2010, 09:29:35 AM
Geddy saying it will hopefully be done by the end of 2011 means it probably won't be released until, at the earliest, probably the spring of 2012, so this is gonna be quite a wait, it looks like.  That's a bummer and definitely disappointing.  Them doing a second leg this year instead of finishing the album... :tdwn :tdwn
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on December 10, 2010, 09:57:27 AM
Geddy saying it will hopefully be done by the end of 2011 means it probably won't be released until, at the earliest, probably the spring of 2012, so this is gonna be quite a wait, it looks like.  That's a bummer and definitely disappointing.  Them doing a second leg this year instead of finishing the album... :tdwn :tdwn
Hahaha you said bummer......



oh wait :(
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on December 10, 2010, 12:58:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S3P0_krL_c

 :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on December 10, 2010, 12:58:38 PM
:heart howard stern :metal

I'm :lol ing so fucking hard right now :rollin
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on December 10, 2010, 02:08:23 PM
I'm guessing this was early Rush before they had wives and kids, though it doesn't surprise me that Neil turned that woman down  :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on December 10, 2010, 02:38:17 PM
i cant believe he didnt ask about rutsey :P
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on December 10, 2010, 05:06:29 PM
Was that other voice Sebastian Bach?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on December 11, 2010, 08:26:18 AM
Fuck Ticketmaster up the fucking ass for their lack of floor seats. FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUU.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on December 11, 2010, 10:05:41 AM
Presale man.

Presale.

Another topic: Does anyone else think "Everyday Glory" is an amazing song that is never talked about?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on December 11, 2010, 11:42:20 AM
Hey now, I talk about it plenty. :biggrin:  Heck, it is pretty high on my favorite Rush songs list (top 25 or 30, I think). 

So, yeah, it is an amazing song. :)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on December 11, 2010, 12:09:07 PM
I swear I've seen like no discussion on it.  That chorus... :heart :heart :heart
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on December 11, 2010, 12:14:16 PM
Yeah, the chorus is awesome.  And I love Alex's subtle acoustic flourishes throughout the song.  Plus, I love how the acoustic strumming during the chorus makes it sound that much fuller.  And let us not forget one of the greatest modern Rush moments:

"If the future's looking dark
We're the ones who have to shine
If there's no one in control
We're the ones who draw the line
Though we live in trying times
We're the ones who have to try
Though we know that time has wings
We're the ones who have to fly..."

So awesome. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on December 11, 2010, 12:31:19 PM
Honestly, I usually stop listening after LttA :P
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on December 11, 2010, 01:43:43 PM
You like Face Up.  This is like standard behavior for you, I guess. :P
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on December 11, 2010, 02:05:35 PM
General on-sale for Cleveland was a bust for me this morning, so I'm sticking with my tickets that are 4th row, 2nd section on the ice. I suspect overall I'll be about 20 rows deep, slightly to Ged's side.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: tri.ad on December 11, 2010, 02:13:37 PM
Honestly, I usually stop listening after LttA :P

You really should take the time to listen to Cold Fire. Great song.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on December 11, 2010, 02:14:12 PM
That too.  Its also one of Neil's favorites if I'm not mistaken.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on December 11, 2010, 02:24:03 PM
Honestly, I usually stop listening after LttA :P

You really should take the time to listen to Cold Fire. Great song.

It sure is!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on December 11, 2010, 07:31:35 PM
I'm calm now and grateful that I have tickets. But next time, I'm getting pre-sale.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on December 11, 2010, 09:58:56 PM
Yeah, the chorus is awesome.  And I love Alex's subtle acoustic flourishes throughout the song.  Plus, I love how the acoustic strumming during the chorus makes it sound that much fuller.  And let us not forget one of the greatest modern Rush moments:

"If the future's looking dark
We're the ones who have to shine
If there's no one in control
We're the ones who draw the line
Though we live in trying times
We're the ones who have to try
Though we know that time has wings
We're the ones who have to fly..."

So awesome. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
One of my favorite of Neil's lyrics as well.  Actually, it was a huge inspiration in high school for me to begin writing my own poetry. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on December 13, 2010, 09:04:13 PM
I'm calm now and grateful that I have tickets. But next time, I'm getting pre-sale.

It doesn't help if you get tickets during the pre-sale either. Only certain sections (very few of them good) are made available.

I got tickets earlier this month and I still feel the need to take a shower when I think about it.

Took me 5 hours of throwing tickets back to get ones I would be even remotely happy with to say nothing of the finacial extraction.

"We will pay the price, but we will not count the cost..."
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on December 14, 2010, 02:08:39 PM
Is it just me, or does The Main Monkey Business sound a bit like Porcupine Tree?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on December 14, 2010, 02:17:50 PM
I think its just you...bit too constantly hard-rocking to sound like PT, IMO.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on December 14, 2010, 02:19:56 PM
I've always thought that a few riffs had Tool like qualities to it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on December 20, 2010, 09:04:20 PM
I'm starting International Rush Day a little early by experiencing again the first Rush show I ever saw (March 31,1986) then I'll probably play Cygnus X-1 at some point during the lunar eclipse just because and maybe I'll do something else to mark the day later tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: zxlkho on December 20, 2010, 09:11:48 PM
I'm going to listen to 2112 like this guy: https://www.last.fm/user/Priestofsyrinx
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on December 21, 2010, 09:09:14 AM
Happy Prog Day!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on December 21, 2010, 09:34:31 AM
Guys!
I finished watching Beyond The Lighted Stage yesterday and love it.
Any thoughts?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on December 21, 2010, 09:51:31 AM
Listening to "2112" right now, and actually, all of All The World's A Stage!!! Happy 21/12 everyone!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: tri.ad on December 21, 2010, 09:59:23 AM
21.12. is a good day. :)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on December 21, 2010, 01:23:46 PM
Guys!
I finished watching Beyond The Lighted Stage yesterday and love it.
Any thoughts?

Yes, check out the bonus stuff.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on December 21, 2010, 01:47:52 PM
Classic 2112, from 1976.  Parts 1 and 2.  Enjoy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEW2-k0EoyE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SozTRnBbTsU
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: RoeDent on December 21, 2010, 02:22:32 PM
First post in the Rush thread, but happy Rush day!

Enjoy assuming control and all that!  :tup
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PaulEMoz on December 23, 2010, 02:23:23 PM
Alright, if anyone can help me here, it would be much appreciated.

I'm sure, many years ago, I saw a picture of either Geddy Lee or the whole of Rush wearing a santa hat.  Does anybody know if I'm going mental, or does such a picture exist?  And if it does, could somebody please post it here or point me in the right direction?  If it doesn't, just tell me I'm mental and I'll go away happy.

Thanks!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Jamesman42 on December 23, 2010, 02:58:56 PM
My friend did not consult me when he bought 3 tickets Sunday night. He just told me that he was really drunk and just bought them. It's cool though, seeing them on March 30 woohoo. It will be my 4th time, which will be a record among all the bands I have seen thus far.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on December 23, 2010, 03:58:18 PM
It'll be my third time, and a record for me as well, with Coheed and Porcupine Tree just behind with two shows each.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on December 23, 2010, 04:07:45 PM
I won't be seeing this leg (I'm envious) but I have seen them 27 times so I guess you guys can go without me. :'(
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on December 23, 2010, 04:39:47 PM
When I travel to Cleveland for the show it will be my 10th, exciting for so many reasons!

(They still trail DT, who I've seen 12 times)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on December 23, 2010, 04:43:02 PM
When I travel to Cleveland for the show it will be my 10th, exciting for so many reasons!

(They still trail DT, who I've seen 12 times)

I love that in the 2000's, Rush has filmed every tour.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on December 23, 2010, 10:01:33 PM
Alright, if anyone can help me here, it would be much appreciated.

I'm sure, many years ago, I saw a picture of either Geddy Lee or the whole of Rush wearing a santa hat.  Does anybody know if I'm going mental, or does such a picture exist?  And if it does, could somebody please post it here or point me in the right direction?  If it doesn't, just tell me I'm mental and I'll go away happy.

Thanks!

I think someone did a photoshop somewhere along the line if I recall correctly.




Quote
Posted by: kingshmegland 

I love that in the 2000's, Rush has filmed every tour.

You aren't the only one.

One of these days, I will have a Rush live in the new millenium DVD marathon.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PaulEMoz on December 24, 2010, 06:06:04 AM
Alright, if anyone can help me here, it would be much appreciated.

I'm sure, many years ago, I saw a picture of either Geddy Lee or the whole of Rush wearing a santa hat.  Does anybody know if I'm going mental, or does such a picture exist?  And if it does, could somebody please post it here or point me in the right direction?  If it doesn't, just tell me I'm mental and I'll go away happy.

Thanks!

I think someone did a photoshop somewhere along the line if I recall correctly.

Thanks for that... I can't find anything anywhere.  I'm sure I saw a picture in Kerrang! Or maybe Metal Hammer, but that would have probably been over 20 years ago.  I just wanted to make an appropriate Christmas card to put the Rush tickets (well, mockups, they haven't actually arrived yet) in to give to my wife in the morning.  :smiley:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on December 25, 2010, 08:38:23 PM
One of my Xmas presents, it's a picture I took of Rush in Camden made into a blanket, how awesome!

(https://www.nickeh.com/images/10xmas08.jpg)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on December 25, 2010, 10:40:37 PM
Sweet picture, and very cool that you have a blanket made from a photo you took.  I'm not sure how I'd feel about having my name on my blanket like that, but if that's your thing, then party on!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on December 26, 2010, 08:43:38 AM
Hey, nothing wows the ladies in the bedroom like a monogrammed Rush blanket!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on December 26, 2010, 08:59:27 AM
Hey, nothing wows the ladies in the bedroom like a monogrammed Rush blanket!

My lady gets down with me with my Rush blanket on us.  Fact! :laugh:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TAC on December 26, 2010, 09:18:03 AM
Awesome blanket, Nick!
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Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on December 26, 2010, 09:37:28 AM
WHERE IS NEILS FACE?
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Post by: Orbert on December 26, 2010, 05:48:57 PM
R30 is Awesome!

Got it on Blu-ray for Christmas and have been watching it LOUD in 5.1 and it is kicking my ass.

These guys are so fucking amazing.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on December 27, 2010, 08:29:46 PM
Something I made for my radio show you folks should enjoy.

https://www.wpapu.com/sounds/Rushgasm.mp3
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on December 27, 2010, 11:01:52 PM
Alright, if anyone can help me here, it would be much appreciated.

I'm sure, many years ago, I saw a picture of either Geddy Lee or the whole of Rush wearing a santa hat.  Does anybody know if I'm going mental, or does such a picture exist?  And if it does, could somebody please post it here or point me in the right direction?  If it doesn't, just tell me I'm mental and I'll go away happy.

Thanks!

I think someone did a photoshop somewhere along the line if I recall correctly.

Thanks for that... I can't find anything anywhere.  I'm sure I saw a picture in Kerrang! Or maybe Metal Hammer, but that would have probably been over 20 years ago.  I just wanted to make an appropriate Christmas card to put the Rush tickets (well, mockups, they haven't actually arrived yet) in to give to my wife in the morning.  :smiley:

Well, I remember Kerrang! doing a lot of that with other musicians back then, but I don't ever recall Geddy Alex or Neil being one of them.
I'm sure someone somewhere is using the idea mocked up as an avatar. I should check some of the Kerrangs I do have anyway to have a better idea.




Cool blanket, Nick.  Thanks for uploading that mp3, my comments on that are in the thread for your show: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=10479.630

I may have a quilt in the coming year with all of the worn out Rush concert shirts I've been saving, or so I've been told.




R30 is amazing, but my least favorite (performance-wise) they've released in the last decade.



Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jjrock88 on January 08, 2011, 03:02:16 PM
RUSH RULES!!!  Looking forward to a new cd, hopefully in the spring early summer.  Nice to hear other people share the same love for Rush; I'm used to people saying they dislike the band.  "Beyond the Lighted Stage" showcased what the band is about and the appreciation that they deserve
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on January 08, 2011, 03:07:37 PM
RUSH RULES!!!  Looking forward to a new cd, hopefully in the spring early summer.  Nice to hear other people share the same love for Rush; I'm used to people saying they dislike the band.  "Beyond the Lighted Stage" showcased what the band is about and the appreciation that they deserve

Don't hold your breath - With the band touring in Spring and Summer, they won't have the album done til Winter later this year.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on January 08, 2011, 10:12:23 PM
One thing I liked about "Beyond the Lighted Stage" is how well it showed that the guys from Rush are at ease with themselves.  They know they're nerds, they don't have any illusions about being overwhelmingly cool, and they accept that.  They know they sell a lot of albums and concert tickets, but they're far from "rock stars" in the traditional sense.

Geddy actually seemed embarassed when they were at his house and the coolest thing he could think of to show off was his... baseball card collection?  (I think that's what it was; I've only watched it once so far.)  But only slightly embarassed, like hey, he knows it's not the most exciting thing, but it's what he likes, so there you go.  He's not going to apologize or feel bad for what he is.  He gives the rest of us hope.
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 08, 2011, 11:42:47 PM
I agree, the personal footage was very cool.  I especially enjoyed seeing footage of Alex Lifeson at home growing up and advising his parents of his desire to be a musician.  The movie overall is fantastic
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Post by: wolfking on January 10, 2011, 04:32:22 AM
Just got my Subdivions tribute cd out for something different and I gotta say, this is a great listen.  The songs are well performed but extended and improvised adding something different to the tracks.  Some good performances and I think i much prefer this tribute over Working Man.

I gotta give a special nod to Kip Winger for his renditions of Limelight and Spirit of Radio, they are amazing.
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Post by: glaurung on January 10, 2011, 04:35:21 AM
I agree, the personal footage was very cool.  I especially enjoyed seeing footage of Alex Lifeson at home growing up and advising his parents of his desire to be a musician.

That's not real, is it? I just assumed it was actors.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on January 10, 2011, 04:49:17 AM
Remember the part where Alex is watching the footage and comments on how naive he was? I doubt they would have him watch that and comment on it in that fashion if it were actors.
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Post by: Zydar on January 10, 2011, 04:51:41 AM
Yeah, it is real alright.
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Post by: Gadough on January 10, 2011, 04:55:21 AM
Which raises the question of why was it filmed in the first place? Who sees a dinner table discussion about a child's future and goes "oh shit, gotta go get the video camera!"?
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Post by: Zydar on January 10, 2011, 05:02:32 AM
It was from a documentary film, 'Come On Children', where Alex is one of the kids.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0269104/
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Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on January 10, 2011, 09:09:46 AM
That is some useful footage :metal
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 10, 2011, 03:59:40 PM
The personal footage is what makes the doc so great; it's surreal in parts to watch
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Post by: wolfking on January 10, 2011, 04:25:06 PM
Which raises the question of why was it filmed in the first place? Who sees a dinner table discussion about a child's future and goes "oh shit, gotta go get the video camera!"?

 I always thought this too.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on January 11, 2011, 10:20:59 AM
Another update about the new album, from Alex this time:

"The whole idea of doing Moving Pictures and not sharing it, particularly in the UK, was a real concern of ours. So Ged and I will get back to writing in the new year. We'll get through the Christmas holidays and start writing through January and February. We only have two or three more songs that we feel we need for the album. So we can start reworking the material and get it in great shape. Then we'll prepare for the tour in March, finish in July, take the summer off then start work in earnest in September." - Alex Lifeson, Musicradar.com, January 10, 2011 - Thanks to John @ Cygnus-X1.net for the headsup!

sourced from news.2112.net

Looks like Geddy's prior comment about the album not being finished til late 2011 seems right on track. Looks like Clockwork Angels may not see release til Spring 2012. Looks like they're working the 5-year mark (VT in 02, S&A in 07, and now CA in 12. I guess their 20th album won't come out til 2017? Let's hope they're alive and kicking still!). Who do they think they are, Tool?

At least we got the single last year, so I am happy about that, but it only whet my appetite more for the new album. I guess we're lucky that 2011 is going to be filled with a HUGE amount of great music so, at least for me, I'll be kept busy until the new Rush album is released.

-Marc.
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Post by: ZBomber on January 11, 2011, 10:23:26 AM
 :( Such a long wait. I'm gonna try avoiding listening to Caravan/BU2B before the album's release. But 2012... damn.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on January 11, 2011, 10:25:07 AM
Eh, the Tool comparison is completely unfair.  

In Tool's first 17 years, they released four studio albums.  Four.

In Rush's first 17 years, they released 13.

No comparison.

And given Alex's tendency to say stuff that doesn't actually happen ("Jacob's Ladder" on last year's tour, damn it!), I usually have a hard time buying anything he says anymore when it comes to the band's time table, songs they will play, future plans, etc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on January 11, 2011, 10:46:38 AM
Eh, the Tool comparison is completely unfair.  

In Tool's first 17 years, they released four studio albums.  Four.

In Rush's first 17 years, they released 13.

No comparison.

And given Alex's tendency to say stuff that doesn't actually happen ("Jacob's Ladder" on last year's tour, damn it!), I usually have a hard time buying anything he says anymore when it comes to the band's time table, songs they will play, future plans, etc.

I wasn't comparing Rush THEN to Tool NOW, I was comparing Rush NOW to Tool (overall), since in a decade (2002-2012), they'll have released only 3 studio albums. Tool, whose last three albums, followed a similar pattern (1996-2006, three albums, each five years apart).

-Marc.
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Post by: KevShmev on January 11, 2011, 10:50:46 AM
It's still a bizarre comparison, since Rush is nearing the end of their career (and all are in their late 50s), while Tool has had these long breaks during their younger days, which is strange since almost all bands are at their most prolific from a quantity standpoint early in their career.  The fact that Rush is even still together and writing new music is pretty amazing, so I think comparing them in this way to a band that has always taken forever to write and release new music just doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on January 11, 2011, 10:55:22 AM
It's still a bizarre comparison, since Rush is nearing the end of their career (and all are in their late 50s), while Tool has had these long breaks during their younger days, which is strange since almost all bands are at their most prolific from a quantity standpoint early in their career.  The fact that Rush is even still together and writing new music is pretty amazing, so I think comparing them in this way to a band that has always taken forever to write and release new music just doesn't make sense.

Yeah, I was just being silly and noting the years-apart similarity. Also, I noticed Alex used the phrase "in earnest", a phrase I've seen used on a couple Tool newsletters to describe their studio work time.

Either way, you're right about Tool taking forever, but Rush is at the end of their career, so I can understand taking longer between albums, but the fact is they've chosen to tour a LOT more than usual. Had there been no Time Machine Tour, we could probably have the new album out by this spring, and not a year later, but I'm glad fans across the pond can get to experience the Time Machine Tour.

I guess we can all take Clockwork Angels off our "Music In 2011" lists...

-Marc.
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Post by: Orbert on January 11, 2011, 11:08:42 AM
Looks like they're working the 5-year mark (VT in 02, S&A in 07, and now CA in 12.

Damn, I didn't realize it'd been that long!

But quality over quantity, I guess.  Delays build anticipation.  Absence makes the heart grow fonder.  Et cetera.
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Post by: skydivingninja on January 11, 2011, 12:00:03 PM
Compared to Peter Gabriel this wait is nothing.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: EPICVIEW on January 11, 2011, 12:03:57 PM
I got time..I will wait. Rush is worth any wait
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on January 15, 2011, 10:05:31 PM
I've come to the conclusion that the 4 albums of the synth era (Signals thru Hold Your Fire) are easily the band's high point. As much as I love everything before them, nothing beats the synth albums.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on January 15, 2011, 10:27:47 PM
Hold Your Fire is awful but the rest are great albums. I still think the 70's era is the best though.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on January 15, 2011, 11:04:33 PM
I've come to the conclusion that the 4 albums of the synth era (Signals thru Hold Your Fire) are easily the band's high point. As much as I love everything before them, nothing beats the synth albums.

I love watching them play the synth stuff live.  It's almost like they're pushing to see how much music three guys can make.  It's great watching Geddy play the keys, then grab the bass and jump away for a while, then come back.
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Post by: TempusVox on January 15, 2011, 11:07:49 PM
The album will definitely be out this year.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on January 15, 2011, 11:14:03 PM
Why do you think this?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on January 15, 2011, 11:18:12 PM
Because he knows Geddy personally.
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Post by: DarkEternalNight on January 15, 2011, 11:56:09 PM
Hope so.
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 16, 2011, 12:40:45 AM
Love all the era's of Rush, but the debut until Grace Under Pressure are, in my opinion, is the best of the best.  I love the sounds of Signals and Grace Under Pressure.  Some reviews are negative, but I really enjoy those two cd's
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Post by: King Postwhore on January 16, 2011, 05:30:20 AM
The album will definitely be out this year.

Gracias mi amigo!!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on January 16, 2011, 06:08:14 AM
Love all the era's of Rush, but the debut until Grace Under Pressure are, in my opinion, is the best of the best.  I love the sounds of Signals and Grace Under Pressure.  Some reviews are negative, but I really enjoy those two cd's
Grace Under Pressure is light years a better album then the debut, imo.
:tick2:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on January 16, 2011, 09:01:50 AM
Anybody know of a good Rush biography to recommend?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on January 16, 2011, 10:28:44 AM
Anybody know of a good Rush biography to recommend?
The one written by the Bman is good. Just watch the movie, its all ya need.
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Post by: contest_sanity on January 16, 2011, 10:35:08 AM
Anybody know of a good Rush biography to recommend?
The one written by the Bman is good. Just watch the movie, its all ya need.
Also Contents Under Pressure.  Not a biography, but it does contain in-depth interviews going album by album through the band's whole discography up to Vapor Trails.  I found it very informative.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TempusVox on January 16, 2011, 12:06:17 PM
Why do you think this?

Because Geddy told me it would.
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Post by: ZBomber on January 16, 2011, 12:11:20 PM
Anybody know of a good Rush biography to recommend?
The one written by the Bman is good. Just watch the movie, its all ya need.
Also Contents Under Pressure.  Not a biography, but it does contain in-depth interviews going album by album through the band's whole discography up to Vapor Trails.  I found it very informative.

Contents Under Pressure was a great read.  :tup
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Post by: Zydar on January 16, 2011, 12:14:05 PM
Yeah I already have that one.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on January 16, 2011, 12:16:02 PM
Yeah I already have that one.

YEAH WELL READ IT AGAIN THEN
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on January 16, 2011, 12:23:48 PM
Yeah I already have that one.

YEAH WELL READ IT AGAIN THEN

OK I WILL
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on January 16, 2011, 12:32:27 PM
Neil's book Roadshow also has a lot of stuff regarding the band and chronicles (nuggetz) their 30th anniversary tour.  Again, not a biography, but a great read with a lot of Rush material.

https://www.amazon.com/Roadshow-Landscape-Drums-Concert-Motorcycle/dp/1579401422
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on January 16, 2011, 12:43:21 PM
Why do you think this?

Because Geddy told me it would.

DEN, understand that Tempus Vox isn't joking about this.  He is 100% serious.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on January 16, 2011, 01:33:07 PM
I believe it, Vox is credible.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on January 18, 2011, 06:23:06 AM
Soooo...fan of "La Villa Strangiato" should head over to the Polls & Survivors forum on here and check out LVS as a part of my Rush Multi-Movement Songs Survivor! Just ended the "Hemispheres" Survivor and and started up with "La Villa Strangiato", then after that is "Natural Science" and then the Finals!

Anyways, I figured I'd use this as a reason to post about my Survivor AND to say just how AWESOME LVS really is! Also, "A Lerxst In Wonderland" is one of the best moments in Rush music! Definitely one of my favorite instrumentals of all time, and one of the hardest (and most fun) to play along to!

-Marc.
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Post by: glaurung on January 18, 2011, 11:15:00 PM
Since they announced a Portland and Seattle show I may just go to both. :caffeine:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on January 21, 2011, 11:23:36 PM
Yeah I already have that one.

If you liked Contents Under Pressure and care to know more about their history, there are a few more books (most of them out of print) that you can try and track down.

Rush - By Brian Harrigan (covers to 1982)

Success Under Pressure -- By Steve Gett (covers to 1984)

Visions -- By Bill Banasiewicz (I probably butchered that....covers to 1987)

Mereley Players (Yes, it's spelled wrong, unbelieveably went to press like that) -- By Robert Telleria (Compilation of various referencial details...many of which are wrong up to 1997)

Chemistry -- By Jon Collins (Covers up to 2004; does not directly interview the band, but people who have worked with the band)

Of course all of Neil's books (The Masked Rider, Ghost Rider, Traveling Music and Roadshow), shed a little light on Rush (sometimes very little) in varying degrees of detail.


If you are looking for lyrical interpretations, two books I have are A Simple Kind of Mirror By Leonard Roberto, Jr. which covers lyrics from Permanent Waves To Test For Echo and Mystic Rhythms - A Philosophical Vision of Rush by Carol and Robert Price which covers lyrics from 2112 until Presto, but includes discussion up to Test For Echo.

There is also Rush, Rock and the Middle Class which attempts to put the Rush experience in some kind of understandable context.

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on January 21, 2011, 11:41:25 PM
Supposedly, Used Bin Radio said Neil is working on a new book.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on January 22, 2011, 12:45:17 AM
ytserush: Thanks! :tup
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on January 26, 2011, 04:30:23 PM
This book is an automatic buy for me!!


https://www.rushisaband.com/display.php?id=2448
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Post by: glaurung on January 26, 2011, 05:22:13 PM
Got my tickets to the Portland show. :caffeine:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on January 26, 2011, 06:00:53 PM
This book is an automatic buy for me!!


https://www.rushisaband.com/display.php?id=2448

awesome :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on January 26, 2011, 08:37:25 PM
This book is an automatic buy for me!!


https://www.rushisaband.com/display.php?id=2448


It will be nice to have a few months to save up for it.



Maybe I should sell my Metropolis 2000 movie poster....
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: i_am_here_ on January 26, 2011, 08:44:33 PM
Got my tickets to the Portland show. :caffeine:

How did you get your tickets if the site says they don't go on sale til the 31st?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on January 30, 2011, 08:19:34 PM
54 more days until the Greensboro concert!!! i think
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on January 30, 2011, 08:33:33 PM
Got my tickets to the Portland show. :caffeine:

How did you get your tickets if the site says they don't go on sale til the 31st?

Because there's a fan presale? Not much point now, but it was here (https://rush.musictoday.com/Rush/calendar.aspx).
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TAC on February 01, 2011, 10:35:13 AM
Perhaps I missed it, but is there really not A review of S&A in the Reviews section?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on February 01, 2011, 12:05:33 PM
Listening to my original 1974 LP of the debut now.

YEAH!  OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YEAH!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on February 02, 2011, 09:29:10 PM
Listening to my original 1974 LP of the debut now.

YEAH!  OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YEAH!

Did you still want the LP of Permanent waves, or did you find a copy of that already?


In other news, according to Alex in his interview with Planet Rock UK recently, the set is not changing at all for this leg.

I'm glad I only torched myself for the MSG show.
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Post by: KevShmev on February 02, 2011, 09:49:11 PM
In other news, according to Alex in his interview with Planet Rock UK recently, the set is not changing at all for this leg.

And Alex is so reliable when it comes to set lists prior to touring, right? :P

*still slightly miffed about not getting "Jacob's Ladder" last year* :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on February 03, 2011, 10:54:14 AM
Yeah, I saw that interview.  Won't be too happy if its true, but it was a really REALLY awesome set, so I wouldn't mind TOO much.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on February 03, 2011, 11:04:32 AM
The set was fucking amazing, though I'd have switched Stick it Out with another track from Counterparts
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on February 03, 2011, 12:48:29 PM
Guys!!!!

I cant wait to check them out live
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on February 03, 2011, 02:05:20 PM
Alex said that Vapor Trails is getting a complete remix.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on February 03, 2011, 02:09:44 PM
Alex said that Vapor Trails is getting a complete remix.

About time! Question is... will this remix be released BEFORE or AFTER Clockwork Angels?

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on February 03, 2011, 02:11:17 PM
I would think before, maybe in August if CA comes out in late November/early December.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on February 03, 2011, 04:51:46 PM
That's all fine and good, but to do the album any proper justice it needs to be re-recorded, not re-mixed. This is simply going to polish a turd.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jonny108 on February 03, 2011, 05:07:56 PM
CA is coming out early 2012 according to AL, he told Planet Rock today.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on February 03, 2011, 05:09:19 PM
CA is coming out early 2012 according to AL, he told Planet Rock today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufsf_-a_H9Q
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on February 03, 2011, 06:33:16 PM
I heard differently
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: wolfking on February 04, 2011, 04:26:08 AM
Guitarist Alex Lifeson told the magazine, "We were never happy with the production. Perhaps we should have taken more time over the record. But now we've got the chance to improve things." He added, "There will be no re-recording, just a remix."
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on February 04, 2011, 05:34:47 AM
Guitarist Alex Lifeson told the magazine, "We were never happy with the production. Perhaps we should have taken more time over the record. But now we've got the chance to improve things." He added, "There will be no re-recording, just a remix."

The 2 re mixed songs on the greatest hits cd(OLV and Earthshine) were light years better than the original so a remix would be just fine by me.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on February 04, 2011, 02:03:42 PM
One Little Victory sounded much better, but I wasn't crazy about how the Earthshine remix sounded. Maybe I'm just used to how it sounds on VT, but it felt like parts of the sound were missing.

Regardless, getting the whole VT album remixed is pretty exciting news.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on February 04, 2011, 02:06:08 PM
I wasn't keen on the remix of "Earthshine" either.  While it sounded "cleaner," it took away some of the power and rawness of it. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: SPNKr on February 06, 2011, 08:40:35 PM
Regarding said news of a possible remix of Vapor Trails, I went to ultimate-guitar to look for a tab and this caught my attention on the front page https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/rush_remix_vapor_trails.html

You fans are lucky, I tell ya.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on February 08, 2011, 04:05:52 PM
I liked the One Little victory remix, but not Earthshine.

The mixes on the Vapor Trails promotional singles and the interview disc are different from the album, but I can't recall how they fared against the album as I always want to listen to the whole album and not just a song or two.

I suppose if I were smart, I'd just add those mixes before the album on another disc.
Title: Rush in 5.1
Post by: Orbert on February 09, 2011, 12:22:37 PM
From https://musictap.net/ (https://musictap.net/):

"Alex Lifeson of Rush has let it be known that a 5.1 mix of Moving Pictures (1981) is being readied as well as a 5.1 remix of Vapor Trails (2002).  No release dates set for the time being.  In addition, the Rush Universal albums are being slated for a remaster/reissue campaign (no word on which precise titles nor a release date).  Their last remaster campaign was The 1997 Rush Remasters."

I don't know how many of us have the capability to listen to music in 5.1, but this is damned exciting for me.  Unfortunately, no format has been specified, but there is an increasing amount of music being released in 5.1 on Blu-ray, plus SACD and DVD-A aren't quite dead yet.  SACD has actually seen something of a resurgence lately, as Sony has included SACD decoding in all their recent Blu-ray players, and Oppo (recognized as the maker of universal players) has always supported SACD.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on February 09, 2011, 02:59:47 PM
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!


YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
 :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal

I too have an oppo blu ray player so I am fine with whatever format they release it in, be it DVD-A, SACD, or bluray audio.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on February 09, 2011, 03:32:41 PM
Then you and I will be all set.  We can post about how awesome Moving Pictures sounds in remastered 5.1 surround while others look on and weep.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on February 09, 2011, 04:24:29 PM
Please god, let Steven Wilson be doing these remixes.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TAC on February 09, 2011, 04:25:40 PM
Please god, let Steven Wilson be doing these remixes.
That's fine, as long as he doesn't sing!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on February 09, 2011, 04:28:54 PM
Please god, let Steven Wilson be doing these remixes.
That's fine, as long as he doesn't sing!

But these are remixes, why in the world would he ever be singing?

If I didn't know any better I'd say you're just taking a cheap opportunity to take a stab at Steven Wilson... :p
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TAC on February 09, 2011, 04:31:30 PM
 :lol

Guilty!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on February 09, 2011, 04:41:29 PM
I just though of something though... I don't think they could have possibly picked two worse albums to do 5.1 on. Vapor Trails has 0 keyboards and Moving Pictures will have a live 5.1 mix once the Cleveland DVD is out.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on February 09, 2011, 05:09:08 PM
I just though of something though... I don't think they could have possibly picked two worse albums to do 5.1 on. Vapor Trails has 0 keyboards and Moving Pictures will have a live 5.1 mix once the Cleveland DVD is out.

I haven't heard/read anything that indicated that VT would get the 5.1 treatment... but even if it did, there's layers of guitars on there that could be spread out amongst the audio tracks.

As for MP, it's the 30th anniversary, so it's important as a release. I mean, the King Crimson re-issues were done out of order, but to celebrate the debut's 40th anniversary, it was released first. I think releasing the band's most well-known and popular album first would be smart, especially since it's the anniversary AND the band is promoting it by playing the whole album live.

I think if they wanted to re-issue them like King Crimson is doing it, they could pick one album from each of their 3 "phases" from their Universal albums. Perhaps, first wave would be like MP, 2112 and GUP. Second wave would be PEW, POW and FBN. Third wave would then be AFTK, COS and HYF. Fourth wave would be HEMI, SIG and RUSH.
... or something like that. They could release four sets of 3 albums each, every 3-4 months, and get them all out over a year.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on February 09, 2011, 07:41:14 PM
They'd probably do 5.1 for VT because they said they wanted to remix the album anyways. Would be the best time to do it, most likely.

Hopefully the other albums will follow suit soon after this.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on February 11, 2011, 07:18:55 PM
Just wanted to say that Hemispheres was the song/album that first got me into prog. So epic, so good!  :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Quadrochosis on February 12, 2011, 12:03:43 AM
Just wanted to say that Hemispheres was the song/album that first got me into prog. So epic, so good!  :metal

Also "Something for Nothing" and "2112"! :metal :hat
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on February 12, 2011, 03:20:37 PM
30 years ago today, the world changed. Moving Pictures was released to the public.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jsem on February 12, 2011, 03:48:39 PM
30 years ago today, the world changed. Moving Pictures was released to the public.
:tup

I'm seeing it live in its entirety in 3 months. Going to be epic.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on February 12, 2011, 04:12:49 PM
It was the best moment of my live and still is until I see it again on April 1st.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 12, 2011, 04:18:52 PM
It was epic indeed. Was one of the first to see it live too, the whole set was great. Fit the theme well.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Plasmastrike on February 12, 2011, 06:03:28 PM
I've had Snakes & Arrows since its release. I've heard countless other Rush songs and albums, but none grab me like this one. Hearing that someone involved with the creation of this album audio-wise is going to be working with DT excited me and inspired me to give S&A a spin.

Alex Lifeson rips the heart of the guitar. Also, while I'm at it, this album's sound is phenomenal.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on February 12, 2011, 07:35:54 PM
I've had Snakes & Arrows since its release. I've heard countless other Rush songs and albums, but none grab me like this one. Hearing that someone involved with the creation of this album audio-wise is going to be working with DT excited me and inspired me to give S&A a spin.

Alex Lifeson rips the heart of the guitar. Also, while I'm at it, this album's sound is phenomenal.

You need the 5.1 of S & A.  What a eargasm with Lifeson being split on different channels.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on February 12, 2011, 07:54:56 PM
Armor and Sword is my favorite Rush song, actually. The whole CD is badass but that song sticks out. Far Cry is amazing life, much more than I thought it would be at least.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on February 12, 2011, 08:10:26 PM
That's my favorite song off snakes & arrows too! So great.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on February 16, 2011, 05:23:22 PM
From https://musictap.net/ (https://musictap.net/):

"Alex Lifeson of Rush has let it be known that a 5.1 mix of Moving Pictures (1981) is being readied as well as a 5.1 remix of Vapor Trails (2002).  No release dates set for the time being.  In addition, the Rush Universal albums are being slated for a remaster/reissue campaign (no word on which precise titles nor a release date).  Their last remaster campaign was The 1997 Rush Remasters."

Update:

Supposedly both CD/DVD and CD/BD packages will be available on April 5, 2011, but that's all it says on https://musictap.net/ (https://musictap.net/).  I'm excited, but I'm gonna hold off on any more updates from this site until there's some kind of confirmation.  I honestly don't know much about it, including how accurate it has proven to be.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on February 16, 2011, 07:28:41 PM
Less than two months until the Cleveland DVD shoot!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on February 21, 2011, 11:27:37 AM
Confirmation from Planet Rock: Rush Reveal Moving Pictures Reissue (https://www.planetrock.com/newscentre/rock-news/rush-reveal-moving-pictures-reissue-1509)

Audiophiles are going to love the new version of the 1981 classic

In April the band will reissue Moving Pictures as a CD/DVD and CD/Blu Ray. The album will contain the original album on CD and a 5.1 surround mix of the album on the DVD or Blu Ray, which will also contain the music videos for 'Tom Sawyer', 'Limelight' and 'Vital Signs.'

The 5.1 Surround Sound remix of Moving Pictures was handled by Canadian producer/engineer Richard Chycki �€” who is known for his work with Aerosmith and Our Lady Peace, and who teamed up with Nick Raskulinecz on Rush's last studio album, 2007's "Snakes & Arrows". He recently wrote on his official blog, "I finished tweaks on 'Red Barchetta' [on February 3]. It really was an amazing experience to spread the original tracks of such a classic CD into the 3D word of surround. (The car speeds off, goes behind and banks a sharp right in rear, [by the way]). The listening experience is drastically enveloping and coupled with songs and performances that epitomize this band, it's definitely a great time to re-discover RUSH.

"After discussion with the band, the goal here was to pay serious homage to the production of the era so a considerable amount of time was spent researching and working through effects, etc. that matched the original but would fare well in the 5.1 world. And, of course, placement was also a critical issue. I'm pleased with the results and Alex Lifeson was pretty blown away when he came in to listen to the finals."

Here's the CD/DVD contents:

Disc 1:
01. Tom Sawyer
02. Red Barchetta
03. YYZ
04. Limelight
05. The Camera Eye
06. Witch Hunt
07. Vital Signs

Disc 2:
01. Tom Sawyer (Audiophile 5.1 Surround and Stereo)
02. Red Barchetta (Audiophile 5.1 Surround and Stereo)
03. YYZ (Audiophile 5.1 Surround and Stereo)
04. Limelight (Audiophile 5.1 Surround and Stereo)
05. The Camera Eye (Audiophile 5.1 Surround and Stereo)
06. Witch Hunt (Audiophile 5.1 Surround and Stereo)
07. Vital Signs (Audiophile 5.1 Surround and Stereo)
08. Tom Sawyer (Music Video - 5.1 & Stereo)
09. Limelight (Music Video - 5.1 & Stereo)
10. Vital Signs (Music Video - 5.1 & Stereo)

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on February 21, 2011, 11:29:20 AM
I am so on this.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on February 21, 2011, 11:30:29 AM
 :o
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on February 21, 2011, 11:59:25 AM
DO WANT.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Scard on February 21, 2011, 12:06:45 PM
I don't know if this is old, but apparently they're entering the studio in Sept 2011 and releasing the album before the NEXT tour, Spring 2012


https://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyle/Features/alex-lifeson-0218-2011/
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on February 21, 2011, 12:12:04 PM
I don't know if this is old, but apparently they're entering the studio in Sept 2011 and releasing the album before the NEXT tour, Spring 2012


https://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyle/Features/alex-lifeson-0218-2011/

They were supposed to finish the CD and have it released for the fall or close to the end of this year but the demand for the tour has pushed it back to next year like the link you gave.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on February 21, 2011, 12:21:14 PM
Eh, I love Rush, but I think that is backwards.  The demand for more touring didn't push the CD back; them deciding on their own to tour again this year pushed it back. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on February 21, 2011, 12:52:05 PM
I think it's only fair - something as monumental as the Time Machine Tour definitely should be shared with Rush fans on BOTH sides of the Atlantic!

Either way, I think I can wait til 2012 if it means they're going to take their time with the songs and arrangements and work on the album really hard this fall for a Spring 2012 release. I'd rather them take their time on it than rush.

As for Alex's comments, he says they'll have something like 9 songs? Is that total, or in addition to "Caravan" and "BU2B"? I was hoping there'd be 12, one for each marker on the clock-face that would presumably become the cover of the album? Then again, it was either Geddy or Alex that said they have an epic (title?) track, which was made of smaller parts, which I can only assume might be movements. I'm sure it'll be something like "Natural Science" in terms of movements, or perhaps even style, which is fine by me because it's a great song!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on February 21, 2011, 01:05:45 PM
Personally, I'd be a lot more patient in waiting for the album if they came to Halifax. Or anywhere in the Maritimes.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on February 21, 2011, 01:57:24 PM
Eh, I love Rush, but I think that is backwards.  The demand for more touring didn't push the CD back; them deciding on their own to tour again this year pushed it back. 

It's how bands make money these days.  I'm like you in that I'm having Rush studio music withdrawls but it's the business of music today.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on February 21, 2011, 02:19:42 PM
Eh, I love Rush, but I think that is backwards.  The demand for more touring didn't push the CD back; them deciding on their own to tour again this year pushed it back. 

It's how bands make money these days.  I'm like you in that I'm having Rush studio music withdrawls but it's the business of music today.

True, and we should probably be lucky they're working on an album at all! There are plenty of popular rock acts out there who have been around as long as Rush who haven't been so busy in the studio. The fact that they're putting out their 3rd album in ten years is pretty good, considering how much touring they've done. Yes, on the other hand, have released one studio album in the last ten years, but have toured a whole bunch since then.

I also feel very lucky, as a Rush fan, that we've gotten albums that have been as good as Vapor Trails and Snakes & Arrows, and from the way Geddy, Alex, and Nick Raskulinecz have talked about the Clockwork Angels so far, I have a feeling it'll be well worth the wait!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on February 21, 2011, 02:24:37 PM
The fact that many older bands just do nostagic tours and never make new music(STYX DO YOU HEAR ME!!) is what I want from bands, to stay relevant.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on February 21, 2011, 02:26:03 PM
Marc... your post confused me. It made sense until the part about Vapor Trails being good. :p
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on February 21, 2011, 02:36:20 PM
The fact that many older bands just do nostagic tours and never make new music(STYX DO YOU HEAR ME!!) is what I want from bands, to stay relevant.

Thisthisthis, but if you're an older classic rock band, you'd better make sure your new album is able to compete with your glory days.  (I'm looking at you, The Who).
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on February 21, 2011, 02:37:04 PM
Marc... your post confused me. It made sense until the part about Vapor Trails being good. :p

 :lol I know I know, it's debatable, but I happen to highly enjoy the album! It was one of my first  new albums by a favorite band, and it lead me into the world of Rush alongside albums like A Farewell To Kings and Moving Pictures. It's got some great songs on there, and I can only hope the remaster provides a better listening experience for the album!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on February 22, 2011, 04:33:09 PM
Marc... your post confused me. It made sense until the part about Vapor Trails being good. :p

You're right, Nick. Vapor Trails isn't good at all. It's practically a masterpiece......
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on February 22, 2011, 04:47:09 PM
I remember when Vapor Trails first leaked.  It was the amazing return of Rush, and everyone was understandably excited.  Yeah, I downloaded it from a dubious source.  Burned a CD, listened to it a few times, and thought "This sounds like shit!"  Not the songs themselves, although it was definitely a different sound for them, but the audio quality completely blew.  I figured I must've gotten a shitty rip or something, and found another source.  Listened to that one, and it too sounded like shit.  I've never really been able to form an opinion on the music because the sound quality is so distracting.

So I'm looking forward to the remaster and actually getting to hear the music properly.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on February 22, 2011, 05:20:31 PM
Vapor Trails has some great songs on it, really can't wait for the remastered version.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: reneranucci on March 03, 2011, 09:54:57 AM
So I'm doing something with Rush I've never done with any other band. I'm (kinda) discovering them by listening to their entire discography in chronological order. The discussion on DTF gave me the motivation for that.

You know, I'm the diehard prog fan that only cared for what people said were their proggy albums, and wasn't in the slightest interested in the post-MP albums (DT lol) that had shorter songs, more synthetizers, etc. (for what people said, not that I listened to any of them). So I got from 2112 to Moving Pictures. And I liked YYZ, The Camera Eye (mi favorite song from them), parts of 2112, etc. but never considered any of their albums a masterpiece.

Until I listened to Hemispheres (I left that one for last I don't know why). %$&$  %&$$ what an album!!! It's incredible from start to finish, I love every second of it. Of course, it's the ideal album for a prog fan with the epic and the instrumental and everything, but I've finally seen Rush as a truly great band, and I can certainly appreciate the changes in their sound and styles even in the short span of 5 albums. From Hemispheres to Moving Pictures is already a big leap! So what I'm going to do is a study on their evolution as a band, at the same time listening to their other 9 albums for their first time. I hope it's gonna be an Amazing Journey.

EDIT: The name of the first song I'm gonna listen to is "Finding My Way", and the last is "We Hold On". They work very well as opener and closer IMO.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 03, 2011, 10:07:04 AM
Living with Rush as a kid to a 42 year old, has shown me that Rush goes with the times, sound and style wise yet still makig it Rush.  Yes some like certain era's of Rush yet I love that fact that, they do what they want and still the have a great following, despite the music establishment not likeing them,  38 years into it.  It's a tribute to the quality of their music and how much they care.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: setrataeso on March 03, 2011, 10:07:13 AM
Personally, I'd be a lot more patient in waiting for the album if they came to Halifax. Or anywhere in the Maritimes.

I didn't know you lived in HRM! We should hang out.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on March 03, 2011, 11:33:04 AM
So I'm doing something with Rush I've never done with any other band. I'm (kinda) discovering them by listening to their entire discography in chronological order. The discussion on DTF gave me the motivation for that.

You know, I'm the diehard prog fan that only cared for what people said were their proggy albums, and wasn't in the slightest interested in the post-MP albums (DT lol) that had shorter songs, more synthetizers, etc. (for what people said, not that I listened to any of them). So I got from 2112 to Moving Pictures. And I liked YYZ, The Camera Eye (mi favorite song from them), parts of 2112, etc. but never considered any of their albums a masterpiece.

Until I listened to Hemispheres (I left that one for last I don't know why). %$&$  %&$$ what an album!!! It's incredible from start to finish, I love every second of it. Of course, it's the ideal album for a prog fan with the epic and the instrumental and everything, but I've finally seen Rush as a truly great band, and I can certainly appreciate the changes in their sound and styles even in the short span of 5 albums. From Hemispheres to Moving Pictures is already a big leap! So what I'm going to do is a study on their evolution as a band, at the same time listening to their other 9 albums for their first time. I hope it's gonna be an Amazing Journey.

EDIT: The name of the first song I'm gonna listen to is "Finding My Way", and the last is "We Hold On". They work very well as opener and closer IMO.

Rush is a truly great band.  They have always done their own thing, their own way, over the course of over three decades, and that alone would be good enough for most bands, but on top of that, they've managed to also crank out radio hits as well as awesome album tracks.  And still, every song on every album still "sounds like Rush."  There are very, very few bands who maintain that level of consistency for that long.  In fact, I can't think of another one.

Enjoy your journey.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on March 03, 2011, 12:47:10 PM
reneranucci, :tup :tup

Let us know how your journey goes as you move along on it. :)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: reneranucci on March 03, 2011, 01:40:01 PM
Enjoy your journey.
Thank you Orbert

reneranucci, :tup :tup

Let us know how your journey goes as you move along on it. :)

Hey, as one of the biggest Rush-lovers here, you're the one to blame for me trying this  :P

Progress so far: I'm still on Rush (1974). "Here Again" is such a great song, and that killer guitar solo! I really like their approach to hard rock. I know Working Man is one of their classics but I haven't gotten there yet.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on March 03, 2011, 03:03:56 PM
I don't like how people automatically discredit anything past Moving Pictures. Signals, Power Windows, Hold Your Fire, Roll the Bones, Counterparts, and Snakes & Arrows are all pretty fucking awesome at LEAST.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ultimetalhead on March 03, 2011, 03:07:20 PM
Roll the Bones, Counterparts, and Snakes & Arrows are awesome indeed. I really never cared for the synth-era though.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on March 03, 2011, 03:14:19 PM
I love the albums on that list Will, except replace HYF with GUP and take away half of Roll the Bones.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 03, 2011, 03:15:07 PM
The one misnomer about Grace Under Pressure is that it's a synth album.  Rush went way to the guitar driven side for it.  It's dark.  

Also a little known fact.  Alex tried like crazy not to make solo's that weren't chordal and Neil did not use his concert toms(6"/8"/10") on the album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on March 03, 2011, 03:45:52 PM
The one misnomer about Grace Under Pressure is that it's a synth album.  Rush went way to the guitar driven side for it.  It's dark.  

Also a little known fact.  Alex tried like crazy not to make solo's that weren't chordal and Neil did not use his concert toms(6"/8"/10") on the album.

Wouldn't Neil have also had a 12" concert tom as well? IIRC, he had the 4 concert tom set-up til the HYF albu and/or tour, where he switched his four concert tom set-up to 3 closed tom-toms (6", 8" and 10"). Also, IIRC, his rack-toms during that period were always 12", 13" and 15", right?

Weird, though, that Neil didn't use any concert toms on GUP. I never noticed that, so I'll have to go back and listen to it with that knowledge now!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 03, 2011, 03:50:50 PM
Your right, 12" concert tom also, but he did use that.

Check out this unreal site with all of his set ups!  It's unreal!!

https://www.andrewolson.com/Neil_Peart/neil_drumkits.htm
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on March 03, 2011, 07:16:44 PM
Enjoy your journey.
Thank you Orbert

reneranucci, :tup :tup

Let us know how your journey goes as you move along on it. :)

Hey, as one of the biggest Rush-lovers here, you're the one to blame for me trying this  :P

Progress so far: I'm still on Rush (1974). "Here Again" is such a great song, and that killer guitar solo! I really like their approach to hard rock. I know Working Man is one of their classics but I haven't gotten there yet.


"Here Again" is awesome, especially live. "Here Again" and "Before and After" are probably my two favorites from that album. 


The last time I listened to Rush from beginning to end (including live albums) was to celebrate the release of Counterparts. It was
awesome.


Quote
Posted by: PlaysLikeMyüng 

I don't like how people automatically discredit anything past Moving Pictures. Signals, Power Windows, Hold Your Fire, Roll the Bones, Counterparts, and Snakes & Arrows are all pretty fucking awesome at LEAST.



Doesn't bother me.  I don't really understand how that would make you enjoy those albums any less. I've met people (not recently) that have told me that Rush went down hill after Neil joined.




And then of course there is Gene Simmons from a Goldmine interview in 2000:

"I remember hearing Rush before they went into the Neil Peart era when they were still doing the sort of Canadian Led Zeppelin and saying 'Wow, That's good stuff!' I was always much more of a fan of that then when Neil Peart came in and said 'Let's write songs about books.' Too cerebral. I didn't get it."
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on March 04, 2011, 03:11:12 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: reneranucci on March 04, 2011, 11:10:40 PM
My favorite songs after listening each album 3-4 times (roughly in order of preference):

Rush: Here Again, Before and After, Working Man and Finding My Way. Wow, 4 super-strong songs that were actually very difficult to rank. Finding my way is a strong, energetic opener (uuuuuhhhh yeahhhhhh), Here Again with its classic bluesy sound has an epic feeling into it, the instrumental intro of before and after is gorgeous (as good as the instrumental sections of any modern band like PT IMO) and Working Man delivers in every way. I can't believe people don't seem to regard their debut album very highly.

Fly By Night: This is weaker than their debut IMO. Sounds a little bit uninspired and not very original, like they weren't confident to do their own thing yet. Not bad, but not super-memorable. Anthem is great of course, In the End has this uplifting feeling that I like, BBB and By-Tor have their moments. I didn't care for Rivendell and the other songs, although there are cool solos or basslines here and there.

Caress of Steel is next.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on March 05, 2011, 06:26:26 AM
Fly By Night is one of my favorites. Doesn't feel uninspired to me. Making Memories is a great song and I adore the title track. The only bad song on the album is Rivendell. Ew
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on March 05, 2011, 08:45:54 AM
reneranucci, :tup :tup

Let us know how your journey goes as you move along on it. :)

Hey, as one of the biggest Rush-lovers here, you're the one to blame for me trying this  :P

:)

Replace "Working Man" with "What You're Doing," and I'd agree on the four strongest songs from the debut.  I have never been that crazy about "Working Man," although it does smoke live.

"Rivendell" is the obvious big clunker on Fly by Night, which you've already realized, so that is good. ;)  I think the rest will grow on you if you keep listening to it.  Most of what they have done since is better, but it is still a very solid second album.  "By-Tor and the Snow Dog" is easily a top 20 Rush tune.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on March 05, 2011, 08:49:53 AM
Fly By Night is an interesting one. I would agree it's one of the weaker Rush albums out there, but it doesn't sound uninspired to me. I think they just weren't sure of what direction to take the band in at that point.

By-Tor was essential to what Rush would become, but the song is kind of lukewarm to me. I enjoy bits of it, but as a whole it just doesn't get the job done. That said, Anthem is one of my favorite Rush songs. In The End is great as well.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on March 05, 2011, 09:19:32 AM
No matter how tired or down I am, I can crank up "Anthem" and that opening syncopation will get me going again.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 05, 2011, 09:33:19 AM
I find myself playing Fly By Night a lot more than Rush and COS.  It's the one a gravitated to when I first hear Rush in the late 70's.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on March 05, 2011, 09:33:54 AM
Just so you're prepared, Caress of Steel is a... weird album. I can't describe it as anything else (for first listen, at least). Sandwiched between two awesome songs (Lakeside Park/Bastille Day) is I Think I'm Going Bald, which is... weird. The two epics, Fountain of Lamneth and Necromancer, are really good, but they're definitely growers.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ultimetalhead on March 05, 2011, 09:37:16 AM
The improvement 2112 was over Caress of Steel is nothing short of mind-numbing.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on March 05, 2011, 09:45:35 AM
Yeah, it's like 2112 is the album they were building to all those years.  Their first real peak.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 05, 2011, 09:48:16 AM
Yeah, it's like 2112 is the album they were building to all those years.  Their first real peak.

That's the thing Orbert.  In the old days bands were allowed to grow and at least get 3 or 4 albums under their belt.  Today, If you don't hit right away you doomed.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on March 05, 2011, 11:18:43 AM
I don't think that's necessarily true for all artists, but DEFINITELY for pop artists. I mean, i wouldn't call any prog/metal band out there 'successful' that started in the past decade :P
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 05, 2011, 11:21:17 AM
I don't think that's necessarily true for all artists, but DEFINITELY for pop artists. I mean, i wouldn't call any prog/metal band out there 'successful' that started in the past decade :P

Label's in the old days gave bands time to grow.  Not in todays climate.  Fact.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on March 05, 2011, 11:41:15 AM
This thread inspired me to listen to some Rush, so I got Fly By Night on the turntable now.  :tup  :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on March 05, 2011, 12:02:22 PM
I just played Subdivisions on my bass. So Powah!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on March 05, 2011, 01:24:45 PM
RE: Caress Of Steel - I just listened to that album the other night and it was pretty good. "
Bastille Day" always amazes me, especially the ending!
"Lakeside Park" is pretty good for what it is, but it sounds like a throwback to FBN-type tracks.
"I Think I'm Going Bald" seems like a jab at Led Zeppelin's style of jokey-songs, music not to be taken too seriously.
"The Necromancer" always stands as one of their best earlier songs, and being a sequel to "By-Tor" in some sense, it's a great follow-up - the middle section is one of my favorites, especially with the "Heart Of The Sunrise"-esque groove.
"The Fountain Of Lamneth" is pretty good for their first try at a side-long suite (something that Yes didn't try til their 5th album, and Genesis til their 4th), so being only their third album, it's a pretty damn good attempt! Of course, the lack transitions/segues between the movements really makes it feel more like a song-cycle and less like a single cohesive track. It's more along the lines of a side-long Concept than a single Song. However, "No One At The Bridge" has some great playing from Alex. I think I'd like the whole thing better if "Bacchus Plateau" didn't fade out like it does.

I still want someone (MP's Cygnus & The Sea Monsters, perhaps?) to cover "The Fountain Of Lamneth" and do some re-arranging to add transitions between the movements, and give "Bacchus Plateau" an ending.

Actually, I'd love to see Cygnus & The Sea Monsters return and do a set something like this:
"Here Again"
"By-Tor & The Snow Dog"
"The Necromancer"
"The Fountain Of Lamneth"
"Xanadu"
"La Villa Strangiato"

I'd love to see MP play his NP-kit again!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on March 05, 2011, 05:28:20 PM
I'm sure it's been posted before, but perhaps not for a while; as new peeps are checking out Caress, witness DT's great cover of "The Necromancer:"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI04qsXJgh0 (part 1)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy79CG880Eo&NR=1 (part 2)

Gotta love the ending, too!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on March 09, 2011, 02:04:45 PM
Rush Moving Pictures Audio Blu-ray Delayed (click) (https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=5993)

According to retailer information, Rush: Moving Pictures, initially scheduled for release on April 5, will finally come out four weeks later, on May 3, on a Blu-ray/CD set.The BD will feature the album and three bonus music videos, "Tom Sawyer," "Limelight" and the previously unreleased clip "Vital Signs." Audio will be presented in a 5.1 surround sound mix supervised by the band's Alex Lifeson using the original multi-tracks (DTS-HD Master Audio and 96kHz/24-bit PCM) and in newly remastered stereo from the original analog master tapes (96kHz/24-bit PCM).

Also included in the package is an extensive gallery with previously unreleased photos from the original recording sessions, new liner notes by renowned music journalist David Fricke and 30th anniversary artwork by original album designer Hugh Syme.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on March 10, 2011, 02:09:45 PM
Rush Moving Pictures Audio Blu-ray Delayed (click) (https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=5993)

According to retailer information, Rush: Moving Pictures, initially scheduled for release on April 5, will finally come out four weeks later, on May 3, on a Blu-ray/CD set.The BD will feature the album and three bonus music videos, "Tom Sawyer," "Limelight" and the previously unreleased clip "Vital Signs." Audio will be presented in a 5.1 surround sound mix supervised by the band's Alex Lifeson using the original multi-tracks (DTS-HD Master Audio and 96kHz/24-bit PCM) and in newly remastered stereo from the original analog master tapes (96kHz/24-bit PCM).

Also included in the package is an extensive gallery with previously unreleased photos from the original recording sessions, new liner notes by renowned music journalist David Fricke and 30th anniversary artwork by original album designer Hugh Syme.

Well... that's still sooner than I was expecting! Just in time for me to get out of school and do nothing but blast it 24/7.  :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: reneranucci on March 13, 2011, 07:16:08 AM
I've been incredibly busy lately and haven't had time to write an update, so this one will cover several albums. Fortunately, I've also been busy listening to some great Rush:

Fly by Night: I said earlier that this wasn't as strong as Rush and that I didn't consider any of the songs great. Forget about that. By-Tor is such a great song, with the incredibly energetic riffs and melodies, and the instrumental section is great. I thoroughly enjoy the other songs except for Rivendell. "Fly By Night", "Making Memories" and BBB have grown a lot on me.

Caress of Steel: OK, I'm not sure about this one. It is a case where the longest song actually detracts from the album IMO. I was already familiar with Bastille Day, and it's an incredible song, it will probably end up in my top-20 or even top-10 list. I don't take  "I think I'm going Bald" seriously and didn't pay much attention to it. "Lakeside Park" is excellent, I have to say that it is my favorite Geddy Lee vocal performance so far, there is something special about the production that really highlights his voice IMO. It is probably my second favorite song off the album. The Necromancer is good, but no more than that. My main problem is with The Fountain of Lamneth. There are only a few moments that excite me, the rest of the song is pretty dull IMO. Another drawback is that they make small pauses between the sections instead of developing transitions between them. I hate that in multi-section songs, it makes them feel disconnected. I'll listen to it more times to see if it grows on me, but I don't think it is regarded as one of their best songs.

Now I'm relistening the albums I was already familiar with:

2112: I like the tittle song a lot, and playing it on GH adds to the fun. Top-20 material here. From the rest, I find A Passage to Bangkok and Lessons uninteresting. "Twilight Zone" has grown on me a lot, as has "Something for Nothing" which in my opinion is one of the last songs that sound like the old Rush hard-rock style, and it's very good. I was already in love with "Tears" due to the DT cover which was the first version I heard, I hope the band explores this melodic side on future albums.

I'm currently on Permanet Waves but I'll listen to it a couple times more before posting my little review. By the way, I'm obssessed with Hemispheres and I have to break the chronological order time after time to listen to it. I have played it in its entirety about 20 times, and I can listen to it 5 times in a row on my car without getting tired, actually I have to restrain myself and try not to overplay it. I could be one of the best 10 albums I've ever heard. Everything about it is just pefect  :)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: reneranucci on March 13, 2011, 07:22:53 AM
I just read this:

I still want someone (MP's Cygnus & The Sea Monsters, perhaps?) to cover "The Fountain Of Lamneth" and do some re-arranging to add transitions between the movements, and give "Bacchus Plateau" an ending.

It's curious that we pointed out the same thing.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ultimetalhead on March 13, 2011, 07:43:12 AM
Hemispheres is fucking awesome. Enjoy it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on March 13, 2011, 09:37:59 AM
Hemispheres pretty much secured a place for Rush in my top bands of all time. That and AFTK are like the greatest thing I've ever heard.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 13, 2011, 09:43:43 AM
You guys would have gone ape shit if you listened to Cygnus X-1 Book II: Hemispheres the way I did for the first time.  It was my older cousin's 8 track and Hemispheres was split into different tracks.  You'd hear the music fade away then a big *CLICK* and then the song fading back in where it left off. I went out right away and got the album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on March 13, 2011, 10:56:04 AM
So I have been slowly bringing Rush back into the fold and been listening to them a lot lately. They will forever and always be my favorite band, and have been since I discovered them about over a decade ago.

I sit here listening to "Caravan"/"BU2B" and it still sounds so fresh! It's definitely the next step after VT and S&A, and listening to these two songs really makes me hunger and ache for CA to come out, but that's still about a year off :(

Until then, I'll probably rotate Rush in and out of my listening habits a few more times, but for now, they've been reminding me why they're my favorite band. I've been singing and drumming along with their music for a decade now, and I still recall all the Peart-fills and the lyrics and the awesome guitar solos and bass lines. This music is pretty much in my veins by now, so it's nice to come back to a band that feels like home for me, after cycling through many other bands lately.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on March 13, 2011, 05:41:50 PM
 My main problem is with The Fountain of Lamneth. There are only a few moments that excite me, the rest of the song is pretty dull IMO. Another drawback is that they make small pauses between the sections instead of developing transitions between them. I hate that in multi-section songs, it makes them feel disconnected. I'll listen to it more times to see if it grows on me, but I don't think it is regarded as one of their best songs.

True, but I don't know anyone who would actually call it one of their best songs. ;)  It has its moments, but is a bit clunky overall.  Even still, you can hear how great their playing already was, and it probably could have been very good had they taken more time to let it develop, but it is what it is.  Not bad for a first attempt at a side-long epic of sorts, but certainly not anything I would recommend to anyone (unless they, like yourself, wants to listen to everything by the band).  

Anyway, good to hear your journey is going well. :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on March 13, 2011, 06:06:12 PM
Lamneth is good. Not great but I enjoy it. I think it gets better the more familiar you become with the song, though. I remember the first few listens through it didn't do much for me.

STAY! GO!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on March 13, 2011, 06:23:46 PM
Just dropping by to say that La Villa is perfect.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: reneranucci on March 14, 2011, 01:19:05 AM
I'd like to get a live CD or DVD. what should I buy? I'm leaning towards Rush in Rio because the setlist looks great but I don't know if there is something better.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on March 14, 2011, 06:43:15 AM
I'd like to get a live CD or DVD. what should I buy? I'm leaning towards Rush in Rio because the setlist looks great but I don't know if there is something better.

Rush In Rio is definitely a great place to start as far as live shows, but be forewarned, the audience is VERY loud and VERY participatory...like, more than you'd normally imagine at any live show. They sing along to YYZ, which is odd since it's an instrumental, but they go for it, note by note. It was Rush's 2nd largest audience up to that point, IIRC, and it definitely shows!

I would also suggest Different Stages, which is a 2-disc compilation of shows/songs from the CP/TFE tours, as well as a third "bonus" disc of a AFTK Tour show! Great stuff from two different eras of Rush, but a great package none the less.

-Marc.
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Post by: Mladen on March 14, 2011, 07:48:50 AM
the audience is VERY loud and VERY participatory...like, more than you'd normally imagine at any live show. They sing along to YYZ, which is odd since it's an instrumental, but they go for it, note by note.
I remember watching the DVD for the first time, and I really wasn't ready to be blown away by the crowd like that. It has to be the wildest audience I've ever seen on a DVD.  :smiley:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on March 14, 2011, 08:27:45 AM
I'd like to get a live CD or DVD. what should I buy? I'm leaning towards Rush in Rio because the setlist looks great but I don't know if there is something better.

As far as set lists go, it is easily the best one out of all the ones on their live concert videos.  ESL could have been the best had they included the entire concert instead of just an hour, but alas it was not to be.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on March 14, 2011, 08:32:08 AM
I love A Show of Hands
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on March 14, 2011, 08:32:32 AM
I haven't seen "Rush in Rio" yet, but I've heard the reports about the audience being pretty up in the mix, replicating the experience of being there which was apparently really, really loud.  It seems like if the idea is to get as close to a "real concert experience" as you can, then this is the one to get.

I've got "Snakes & Arrows", "R30" and "Beyond the Lighted Stage" and they're all great as far as I'm concerned.  "Snakes & Arrows" is the most recent, "R30" has the whole History-of-Rush thing going on, and "Beyond" is more documentary than concert but has a lot of great archival footage.  I'd recommend either of the first two, but pick up "Beyond" eventually.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on March 14, 2011, 08:37:37 AM
I have 'Snakes & Arrows: Live', 'A Show Of Hands', and 'Exit: Stage Left' - they're all great since they cover different stages (lolpun) of their career. I've been meaning to get 'Rush In Rio' too, I've watched a few clips on YouTube and the manic audience gets me interested in this.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Jamesman42 on March 14, 2011, 09:06:00 AM
Seeing Rush in about 2 weeks on March 30th!

And it occurs on my Spring Break, so I can relax and go see a show. THAT is awesome.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on March 14, 2011, 11:36:23 AM
Awesome!

My favorite live CD is Different Stages, but the best DVD is definitely Rush in Rio.  Perfect example of making you feel like you were actually there.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ryzee on March 14, 2011, 12:09:24 PM
I agree with the suggestions of Different Stages for a live CD set and Rush in Rio for DVDs, but I'm also partial to Exit Stage Left and A Show of Hands.  Exit Stage Left is a great representation of late 70's/early '80s Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures era Rush, while A Show of Hands has the band at all of their mid-eighties synth-driven glory!  La Villa Strangiato on Exit Stage Left has to be considered a definitive live version, I love some of the "lyrics" Geddy adds to it!  I also like the flamenco flourishes in the intro that Alex does on distorted electric rather than nylon string.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on March 14, 2011, 01:44:05 PM
Less than a month :D
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on March 14, 2011, 01:44:37 PM
1 month and 1 day till Cleveland. :D
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on March 14, 2011, 02:35:04 PM
2 weeks and 4 days until Greensboro.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on March 14, 2011, 02:35:37 PM
2 weeks and 4 days until Greensboro.

o/
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: reneranucci on March 14, 2011, 10:47:29 PM
Thank you guys. I just ordered Rush in Rio from Amazon. When it arrives I will probably have covered most of their catalog already.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ultimetalhead on March 15, 2011, 06:59:59 AM
2 weeks and 4 days until Greensboro.

o/
*\o INTERCEPTED

3 weeks and 2 days until Toledo, and then about a week and a half until Detroit.  :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on March 15, 2011, 09:48:52 AM
I've got about three and a half months 'till my show. :(
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on March 15, 2011, 10:02:47 AM
Got my ticket in the mail!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on March 15, 2011, 10:41:22 AM
Mine hasn't shipped out yet. Should be sometime this week though.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on March 15, 2011, 01:53:58 PM
Got my ticket in the mail!
o/
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on March 15, 2011, 03:06:20 PM
*\o
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on March 16, 2011, 07:54:01 AM
Rush tickets are in the mail :caffeine:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ultimetalhead on March 16, 2011, 08:38:16 PM
My tickets have been sitting around in my room since Christmas. :p
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on March 16, 2011, 09:01:49 PM
So... I have been listening to two of my favorite albums a LOT lately - Permanent Waves and Power Windows. Both are just amazing albums and, ironically enough, the third album in their respective periods/phases of the Rush discography (oddly enough, Counterparts also ranks high on my Rush-albums rankings - don't know about Caress Of Steel, but it's pretty good for what it is).

PEW is just amazing front-to-back, with two solid songs opening the album, and a very grandiose and epic song in "Jacob's Ladder", with it's various loud/heavy and soft sections. Then on Side 2, we open with two more very solid songs ("Entre Nous" becoming a fast favorite, while "Different Strings" has always been one of those "deep album" gems), and another epic, but this time on the more prog-metal-esque side. "Natural Science" definitely blends together the epic sounds of their past multi-part songs with the more song-oriented sound. It's definitely a great way to end such an amazing album, which probably stands in my Top 3 Rush albums.

As for POW, each song is pretty much a hit for me, with a couple being less so, like "The Big Money", which took me awhile to warm-up to, despite being the album's lead-off single. However, songs like "Marathon", "Manhattan Project" and "Middletown Dreams" are just rocking and epic in a way that only Rush could do in 4-6 minutes. It's as if Rush set out to write songs with an epic feel but without bloating them to 10+ minutes. By this time, their writing had become really focused, and we got "epic" songs like "Marathon", which is probably one of my favorite songs from the band's "Synth-era", and with the live ending, it's even better! I'm a bit displeased that the live version on A Show Of Hands seems a bit slow, but they've seemed to bring it back up to speed on the recent Time Machine Tour! (thank goodness!)

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on March 16, 2011, 09:44:29 PM
fuck yeah power windows :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on March 16, 2011, 09:48:32 PM
I just want to say how cool it is that you refer to the albums in terms of "sides".  Some bands took a lot of care picking the track list order, and in the LP days, there was the added issue of arranging songs into two acts.  Each side generally had its own opener and closer, sometimes the sides themselves contrasted each other (mostly acoustic vs mostly heavy, for example), that kind of thing.  That was kinduv lost with the transition to CD.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on March 16, 2011, 09:55:32 PM
Power Windows is arguably as epic as anything they have done, when looking at whole albums.  Too many get hung up on the song lengths not being as long or the prevalence of keys, but like I always say, epic is more of a feel and pacing thing than length, and most of the songs on PoW are very epic and powerful in scope.  The whole album just sounds huge.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on March 16, 2011, 09:56:13 PM
Marathon is a fantastic closer, but they could have done more for the ending.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on March 16, 2011, 10:00:04 PM
fuck yeah power windows :metal
:lol

Well, it's where I got my name from! It also happens to be my first initial! When I read the liner notes for POW and saw that it was "brought to you by the letter m", I knew it was love at first sight. It also happens that every song that begins with the letter m on the album is really good!

I just want to say how cool it is that you refer to the albums in terms of "sides".  Some bands took a lot of care picking the track list order, and in the LP days, there was the added issue of arranging songs into two acts.  Each side generally had its own opener and closer, sometimes the sides themselves contrasted each other (mostly acoustic vs mostly heavy, for example), that kind of thing.  That was kinduv lost with the transition to CD.

I was listening to PEW earlier and realized, that perhaps by mistake, that the last note/chord of "Jacob's Ladder" is in the same key as the opening of "Entre Nous", and when listened to on CD (where the two sides would just play continuously), it creates an unlikely, but awesome sounding transition. Unfortunately, many albums aren't as lucky, so where songs that close Side 1 sound great, the transition to the opening song on Side 2 may not be as smooth, BUT, I believe Rush were thoughtful of that, as they probably thought of the album as a WHOLE, but still carefully crafted the song order for both sides, in addition to the whole album.

Another example is "Limelight" into "The Camera Eye", in which the former lyrically references the title of the latter, and sort of gives a bit of a "nod" to what comes next, which is similar in fashion to hearing "closer to the heart" as a lyric in "A Farewell To Kings", when at the end of Side 1 of AFTK, there's the song with that title.

Rush were very smart about it, and I think they were wise to order their older albums in a way that created a sort of musical rise-and-fall across the album, with climaxes that peak on both sides of the album, but still create an over-all sense of beginning and ending across the whole thing.

-Marc.
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Post by: KevShmev on March 16, 2011, 10:04:58 PM
Marc, I totally agree, but I am 99.999 sure that "Closer to the Heart" was the first song on Side 2 of the original vinyl, not the last song of Side 1.  But anyway, again, I agree on the sides thing. :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on March 16, 2011, 10:08:09 PM
Marc, I totally agree, but I am 99.999 sure that "Closer to the Heart" was the first song on Side 2 of the original vinyl, not the last song of Side 1.  But anyway, again, I agree on the sides thing. :tup :tup

Huh...well I'll be damned. I always thought it was 3-songs-a-side on that album, but I just googled an image of the LP's back cover and you're right! :facepalm:

Don't know how I missed that. Hell, that makes it an even better, then! Hurray for album foreshadowing!

Today I Learned... that CTTH opens Side 2 of AFTK!  :lol

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on March 16, 2011, 10:11:51 PM
I remember being surprised when I found that out, so you are not alone in that regard. ;) I think it was mentioned in the "Visions" book that that B-Man fella wrote.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on March 16, 2011, 10:28:05 PM
I remember being surprised when I found that out, so you are not alone in that regard. ;) I think it was mentioned in the "Visions" book that that B-Man fella wrote.
:lol It just seems to fit better as 3-and-3,  with Side 1 being 19:52, and Side 2 being 17:21...seems more even to me than 16:59/20:14, but it's only a matter of 22 seconds difference, so it's not terribly upsetting. Still very interesting though - I always felt Side 1 would have more shape placing "Xanadu" in the middle, but opening Side 2 with "Closer To The Heart" makes more sense than closing Side 1 now that I know that it actually didn't close Side 1.

Back to the talk of vinyl sides - I wonder if they knew how the vinyl edition of S&A would be done when they put together the album's track list? It's interesting to look at...
Side 1 = 16:42
"Far Cry" - 5:19   
"Armor And Sword   " - 6:36   
"Working Them Angels" - 4:47  

Side 2 = 15:32
"Larger Bowl (A Pantoum)" - 4:07   
"Spindrift" - 5:24   
"The Main Monkey Business" - 6:01

Side 3 = 14:01
"The Way The Wind Blows" - 6:28   
"Hope" - 2:02   
"Faithless" - 5:31

Side 4 = 16:33   
"Bravest Face" - 5:12   
"Good News First" - 4:51   
"Malignant Narcissism" - 2:17   
"We Hold On" - 4:13

Each side is about 14-17 minutes long, and the first three all feature what I feel are focus-songs, the high point, which happen to be the longer ones. The last side doesn't really have one, but it also has four songs as opposed to three. Also, each of the last three sides contains one instrumental, which in itself is pretty unique for a Rush record, but also cleverly thought out. I mean, sure they're evenly displaced throughout the album, but they happen to fall in three different vinyl sides!

And looking at the songs as sides of an album, it seems very fitting to me - each side contains songs that seem very well put together as a group, especially Side 1 and Side 3.

I think VT's vinyl track list is pretty well done as well, even though the album seems LESS fitting for vinyl than S&A does, IMO. I'm not sure why, but S&A just feels more cohesive as a 2LP album than VT does, considering the track lists. However, "Vapor Trail" makes a good closer to Side 2 and "Secret Touch" makes a great opener for Side 3!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 19, 2011, 09:51:57 AM
A must buy for all Rush fans!!!!


https://www.amazon.com/dp/1770410589/?tag=imwan-20
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on March 19, 2011, 08:11:10 PM
A must buy for all Rush fans!!!!


https://www.amazon.com/dp/1770410589/?tag=imwan-20

I've got my autographed limited editon coming soon. Thanks for the reminder. I completely forgot about this.



The Fountain Of Lamneth might be my favorite track off of Caress Of Steel. (There are days when I like it more than 2112).



The Rush In Rio DVD is nothing short of amazing (Obviously the sound of the DVD blows the CD away). The Rush In Rio CD...not so much (although Vital Signs and Between Sun And Moon appear as bonus tracks).


I guess it's time to start getting psyched about going to Madison Square Garden....
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on March 20, 2011, 11:41:27 AM
Regarding Power Windows;
I've tried time and time again to get into it, but have never been able to. I give it another chance every now and then because of the overwhelmingly positive opinion some people have of it.

For me, it's just a very cold album. There's not really anything on it that resonates with me.

Obviously it's all personal taste, and I don't begrudge anyone for liking it, but it feels strange to me that an album could be so polarizing amongst people who all greatly enjoy most of Rush's other albums.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on March 20, 2011, 12:06:42 PM
...wat.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 20, 2011, 02:10:00 PM
...wat.

wat he said.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on March 20, 2011, 02:23:14 PM
I love Power Windows because out of all the synth albums, it has the biggest low end. If that makes sense. It sounds more full and less "airy" than the other synth albums.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on March 20, 2011, 02:24:49 PM
ALBUM RANKINGZ TIME!!!!

1. Permanent Waves
2. Hemispheres
3. A Farewell to Kings
(Top 3 are interchangeable really, depends on how I'm feeling at the moment)

4. Power Windows
5. Grace Under Pressure
6. Moving Pictures
7. 2112
8. Snakes and Arrows
9. Caress of Steel
10. Fly By Night
11. Presto
12. Signals
13. Roll The Bones
14. Hold Your Fire
15. Counterparts
16. Rush
17. Test for Echo
18. Vapour Trails
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on March 20, 2011, 02:35:38 PM
Power Windows

Signals
Fly By Night
2112
Moving Pictures
Permanent Waves
Snakes and Arrows
Hold Your Fire
Roll the Bones
Counterparts
Grace Under Pressure
A Farewell to Kings
Hemispheres
Rush
Test for Echo
Caress of Steel
Presto
Vapor Trails
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on March 20, 2011, 02:38:08 PM
OH BOY ALBUM RANKINGS?

1. Moving Pictures
2. A Farewell to Kings
3. Power Windows
4. Permanent Waves
5. Counterparts
6. 2112
7. Snakes and Arrows
8. Signals
9. Hemispheres
10. Fly By Night
11. Grace Under Pressure
12. Rush
13. Hold Your Fire
14. Hold Your Fire
15. Caress of Steel
16. Vapor Trails
17. Presto
18. Test for Echo

Love the love for Fly By Night, Will.  Great album except for Rivendell.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on March 20, 2011, 02:46:01 PM
Rivendell is a good song. Not very intense or exciting or anything, but good.

1. A Farewell to Kings
2. Permanent Waves
3. 2112
4. Hemispheres
5. Moving Pictures
6. Power Windows
7. Counterparts
8. Signals
9. Grace Under Pressure
10. Snakes & Arrows
11. Fly By Night
12. Roll the Bones
13. Caress of Steel
14. Rush
15. Vapor Trails
16. Presto
17. Hold Your Fire
18. Test for Echo
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on March 20, 2011, 02:48:08 PM
Rivendell is a good song. Not very intense or exciting or anything, but good.

Different Strings is easily the best Rush ballad.

And that is why I have PW as number 1. I would give every song on that album a 10/10, two thumbs up, raging erection, etc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 20, 2011, 02:53:28 PM
Different Strings or Tear.  And yes with the Power Windows love.  What a great tour.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on March 20, 2011, 02:56:35 PM
This is gonna be tough and bound to cause some controversy.  :biggrin:

Permanent waves
Moving pictures
Power windows
2112
Vapor trails
Hemispheres
Grace under pressure
Signals
Presto
Caress of steel
A Farewell to kings
Counterparts
Test for echo
Roll the bones
Snakes & Arrows
Hold your fire
Fly by night
Rush
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on March 20, 2011, 03:00:02 PM
I've honestly only listened to Vapor Trails front to back maybe 3 times. I just can't stand the production on that album. The songs themselves seem just OK, but I'm sure I'd appreciate the album a lot more if I could listen to it without my ears bleeding.

Looking forward to the remixing of it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The King in Crimson on March 20, 2011, 03:05:43 PM
1. Permanent Waves
2. 2112
3. Moving Pictures
4. Grace Under Pressure
5. Counterparts
6. A Farewell to Kings
7. Signals
8. Roll the Bones
9. Snakes and Arrows
10. Vapor Trails
11. Presto
12. Hemispheres
13. Fly By Night
14. Hold Your Fire
15. Power Windows
16. Rush
17. Test For Echo
18. Caress of Steel
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on March 20, 2011, 05:25:26 PM
A Farewell to Kings
Hemispheres
Power Windows
Permanent Waves
Roll the Bones
Moving Pictures
Counterparts
2112
Snakes and Arrows
Signals
Grace Under Pressure
Presto
Hold Your Fire
Caress of Steel
Fly By Night
Test For Echo
Rush
Vapor Trails

Biggest change since last time is that Presto has probably jumped up about 4 spots.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 20, 2011, 07:29:59 PM
I find here that people love RTB more then Presto.  I find Presto a better cd.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on March 20, 2011, 09:40:09 PM
I'll admit that I like Roll the Bones a lot more than many, partly because it came out right when I was getting into Rush, but I still think it is much better than Presto by just about any measure.  Better songs, better sound, better theme, etc. :)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on March 20, 2011, 09:40:33 PM
I prefer Presto to Roll the Bones also, but that may be because I've listened to Presto a lot more.  Roll the Bones has some good stuff, I'm just not as familiar with it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on March 20, 2011, 10:26:39 PM
Roll the Bones is actually good. I've never been that crazy about Presto.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: lodeus on March 20, 2011, 10:41:19 PM
Roll the Bones is actually good. I've never been that crazy about Presto.
Those two and Power Windows are better than most people say.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on March 20, 2011, 10:55:09 PM
Most people say Power Windows is one of their best albums. I'd say it's all the appreciation it deserves.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: lodeus on March 20, 2011, 11:08:25 PM
I don't think it does in comparison to other albums though.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ryzee on March 21, 2011, 11:40:34 AM
Album rankings are kind of hard for me, I don't think I'd ever be able to make up my mind on a finalized list.  I will say though that apparently I like Hold Your Fire, Caress of Steel and Presto alot more then most people seem to.  I think "Open Secrets" off HYF and "Chain Lightning" off Presto are awesome tracks that I never see appreciated, and Caress of Steel is just an awesome prog album from start to finish.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on March 21, 2011, 11:45:15 AM
I don't think it does in comparison to other albums though.

I feel this way a lot

Like, Moving Pictures is praised beyond pretty much every other Rush album, and as good as it is, I've just never seen it as godly, per se. Same with Permanent Waves and Hemispheres. Honestly, Hemispheres is just 'good'. The title track doesn't grab me like it seems to do to most people
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 22, 2011, 09:43:03 AM
Great line in Chuck last night.  Another Rush nod.  The geeks shall inherit the earth!(or at least my viewing pleasure!)

"Morgan Grimes is interviewing potential new agents and after asking a series of serious questions to a group of candidates, he asks one of them Quick! What is Rush's best album?! to which the candidate replies Caress of Steel. Morgan then makes a buzzer noise, looks at the candidate with disappointment and says nope... next!"
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on March 22, 2011, 11:07:53 AM
Awesome!  I haven't watched this week's Chuck yet, but I will.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on March 22, 2011, 11:10:25 AM
:lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Occasional_Madman on March 22, 2011, 11:45:42 PM
I don't know how I haven't checked into this thread yet.

Honestly, I think Presto is one of their best. The Pass is an absolute favorite of mine. Though it does hit close to home. I was also incredibly happy that the title track was featured on the Time Machine Tour. Say what you will about Anagram, but it love it all.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nekov on March 23, 2011, 10:27:13 AM
I don't know if one of their best but I think it is a really good album. I first I didn't get it but now I enjoy it a lot. My favorite song of the album is Red Tide. I just love it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on March 23, 2011, 11:31:53 AM
My Rush concert might be in jeopardy.  My car's been acting up a lot lately.  Its shaking more when I put it into drive, likely because I need my transmission fluid changed (according to the guy at my last oil change it was getting pretty bad), and I'm leaking coolant everywhere.  I reeeeeeally don't want to break down on the way to Greensboro... :( :(
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on March 23, 2011, 12:23:24 PM
Go anyway. If you break down, you break down. Just leave like, 3 hours earlier just in case you need to call AAA :P
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on March 23, 2011, 03:01:35 PM
Or maybe get your car fixed.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on March 26, 2011, 03:03:18 PM
I prefer Presto to Roll the Bones also, but that may be because I've listened to Presto a lot more.  Roll the Bones has some good stuff, I'm just not as familiar with it.

I like each one for different reasons. Maybe overall I might like Presto better because I think it's a little more experimental. I realize songs like "You Bet Your Life" and "Face Up" tie into the Roll The Bones theme, but I think the performances and the lyrics almost sound boring to me. The Roll The Bones songs that were played sound MUCH better live.

I've always felt that Rush went through a "mid-life" crisis during the Presto Tour and some of it may have carried over into the Roll The Bones album. Both albums kind of sound a bit on the thin side (Ruppert Hine produced both) although the remasters helped a little with this. The band has pretty much come out against Presto as a whole, at least partly due to the production though I still think the songwriting is pretty strong.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on March 26, 2011, 03:58:03 PM
Or maybe get your car fixed.

Got my transmission flushed and my car is already driving better.  Still have to deal with the coolant leak as soon as weather permits.  Point is I'll be able to go now without being afraid of breaking down.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on March 26, 2011, 04:10:44 PM
Yay!  :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on March 26, 2011, 11:06:36 PM
Sounds good! :tup
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on March 26, 2011, 11:14:38 PM
I just realized that I didn't have Fly By Night in my iTunes library. That issue is now resolved. :tup
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on March 28, 2011, 01:34:31 PM
God, the third disc of Different Stages is so awesome. I actually don't have it on CD... the guy who got me into Rush (a bootleg collector I used to trade with on a Rolling Stones board) sent me a bunch of the extra albums he had... he included Different Stages, but for some reason, there were only disc one and two. He included the third disc on a burnt CD, but it has gaps on it. I don't feel like buying Different Stages for one CD since I have the actual CDs for the first two discs.

Anyways, my question is was there a 2-disc release of this? I'm not home, and it's been a few years since I looked at the packaging, but I want to say there were only two slots for cds in mine.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 28, 2011, 01:39:32 PM
No, it was only a 3 cd package.  Geddy for years didn't want that recording released because he was sick during that show and he thought his voice was raspy.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on March 28, 2011, 01:41:32 PM
Geddy definitely sounds a little "sick" in parts, but I've always liked that show better than All The World's A Stage. I mean... Cygnus X-1, A Farewell to Kings, Xanadu, Anthem... fucking blow my socks off!  :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on March 28, 2011, 02:01:34 PM
I'm going all out for the concert in 4 days, every piece of clothing on my body will be Rush-related + stickers, pins, temp. tattoos. I've never been more excited for a concert in my life.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on March 28, 2011, 02:19:58 PM
 :tup

Is this your first time seeing them?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on March 28, 2011, 02:25:17 PM
God, the third disc of Different Stages is so awesome. I actually don't have it on CD... the guy who got me into Rush (a bootleg collector I used to trade with on a Rolling Stones board) sent me a bunch of the extra albums he had... he included Different Stages, but for some reason, there were only disc one and two. He included the third disc on a burnt CD, but it has gaps on it. I don't feel like buying Different Stages for one CD since I have the actual CDs for the first two discs.

Anyways, my question is was there a 2-disc release of this? I'm not home, and it's been a few years since I looked at the packaging, but I want to say there were only two slots for cds in mine.

I have it on CD somewhere, and I seem to recall that the third disc had its own sleeve and was just slipped into the jacket.  It also had some cool software graphics program on it that was fun to play with, but you could only run it if the CD was in, which limited it severely.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 28, 2011, 02:28:17 PM
God, the third disc of Different Stages is so awesome. I actually don't have it on CD... the guy who got me into Rush (a bootleg collector I used to trade with on a Rolling Stones board) sent me a bunch of the extra albums he had... he included Different Stages, but for some reason, there were only disc one and two. He included the third disc on a burnt CD, but it has gaps on it. I don't feel like buying Different Stages for one CD since I have the actual CDs for the first two discs.

Anyways, my question is was there a 2-disc release of this? I'm not home, and it's been a few years since I looked at the packaging, but I want to say there were only two slots for cds in mine.

I have it on CD somewhere, and I seem to recall that the third disc had its own sleeve and was just slipped into the jacket.  It also had some cool software graphics program on it that was fun to play with, but you could only run it if the CD was in, which limited it severely.

Yup.  Orbert is 100% correct.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on March 28, 2011, 02:45:07 PM
:tup

Is this your first time seeing them?
Second, saw them in D.C. September 18th. Totally worth the 4 hour ride. Probably the most fun I've ever had.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on March 28, 2011, 05:07:09 PM
Greensboro show delayed until Saturday, Toledo show delayed a week.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on March 28, 2011, 06:43:09 PM
Somewhat homosexual, but at least it wasn't postponed, say, a week, or until a weekend.  Then I wouldn't be able to go...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Jamesman42 on March 28, 2011, 06:51:58 PM
Seeing them in 2 days woooooooooooooooo!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on March 28, 2011, 06:52:23 PM
So its your fault my show was delayed?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Jamesman42 on March 28, 2011, 06:53:29 PM
Hell yeah it is

Suck it from the sky
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on March 29, 2011, 09:49:10 AM
RUSH TIME MACHINE TOUR 2011 GREENSBORO & TOLEDO DATE CHANGES!

Monday, March 28, 2011

Live Nation announced today that due to unforeseen circumstances the Rush performance previously scheduled for this Friday, April 1st in Greensboro has been postponed one day and will now take place on Saturday, April 2nd at the Greensboro Coliseum. Doors remain 6:30 pm with show time at 7:30 pm.

After much consideration, as the Toledo performance would have been the 4th show in 5 days the decision was made to delay the show rather than move forward as previously scheduled. The added time between shows will ensure that fans in Toledo are treated to the best performance that Rush can deliver. As a result, the Toledo performance previously scheduled for Wednesday, April 6th will be postponed one week and will now take place on Wednesday, April 13th at Huntington Center.

Tickets for both of the previously scheduled performance will be honored at the rescheduled dates. Fans requiring a refund may do so at point of purchase.

For complete tour and ticket details visit: www.livenation.com and www.rush.com

---------

That seems rather odd.  And it could really suck for those who have tickets for the original dates and now can't make the new ones for whatever reason. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on March 29, 2011, 09:58:41 AM
Is the setlist the same as last fall?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on March 29, 2011, 10:07:13 AM
According to Alex, but I'd fine with a few song changes.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 29, 2011, 11:06:35 AM
I'm guessing you guys know this but in case.....

RUSH

TIME MACHINE TOUR 2011

GREENSBORO & TOLEDO DATE CHANGES!

Monday, March 28, 2011

 

Live Nation announced today that due to unforeseen circumstances the Rush performance previously scheduled for this Friday, April 1st in Greensboro has been postponed one day and will now take place on Saturday, April 2nd at the Greensboro Coliseum. Doors remain 6:30 pm with show time at 7:30 pm.

 

After much consideration, as the Toledo performance would have been the 4th show in 5 days the decision was made to delay the show rather than move forward as previously scheduled. The added time between shows will ensure that fans in Toledo are treated to the best performance that Rush can deliver.  As a result, the Toledo performance previously scheduled for Wednesday, April 6th will be postponed one week and will now take place on Wednesday, April 13th at Huntington Center.

 

Tickets for both of the previously scheduled performance will be honored at the rescheduled dates.  Fans requiring a refund may do so at point of purchase.

 

For complete tour and ticket details visit: www.livenation.com and www.rush.com
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on March 29, 2011, 11:37:22 AM
I'm guessing you guys know this but in case.....

In case we missed Kev's post three posts ago? :p
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 29, 2011, 11:39:14 AM
In case I didn't read 3 pages ago. :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on March 29, 2011, 11:43:17 AM
I said three *posts* ago, not three pages ago!

You're losing it. :p
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 29, 2011, 11:57:29 AM
 :facepalm:

I am....plus I'm lazy. :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on March 29, 2011, 12:19:20 PM
I said three *posts* ago, not three pages ago!

You're losing it. :p

I see what you did there :neverusethis:

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 29, 2011, 12:21:14 PM
I said three *posts* ago, not three pages ago!

You're losing it. :p

I see what you did there :neverusethis:

-Marc.

Never feed into Nick's antics. :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on March 29, 2011, 12:35:09 PM
I'm guessing you guys know this but in case.....

In case we missed Kev's post three posts ago? :p

Or other posts about it even earlier.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on March 29, 2011, 01:01:13 PM
I said three *posts* ago, not three pages ago!

You're losing it. :p

I see what you did there :neverusethis:

-Marc.

Never feed into Nick's antics. :lol

Keep that shit up and we're going to find out if my fist and your face have any chemistry!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 29, 2011, 01:26:26 PM
Show me don't tell me.......Nick. :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on March 29, 2011, 01:33:17 PM
You guys need to cut to the chase and duke it out at lakeside park.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 29, 2011, 01:42:54 PM
He better bring his Armor and Sword because I'm gonna give him The Main Monkey Business so DTF better Hope he bring's his Bravest Face!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on March 29, 2011, 01:46:07 PM
ATTENTIONS ALL PLANETS OF THE SOLAR FEDERATION
ATTENTIONS ALL PLANETS OF THE SOLAR FEDERATION
ATTENTIONS ALL PLANETS OF THE SOLAR FEDERATION

NICK HAS FAILED AGAIN
NICK HAS FAILED AGAIN
NICK HAS FAILED AGAIN
NICK HAS FAILED AGAIN
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on March 29, 2011, 04:06:20 PM
God, the third disc of Different Stages is so awesome. I actually don't have it on CD... the guy who got me into Rush (a bootleg collector I used to trade with on a Rolling Stones board) sent me a bunch of the extra albums he had... he included Different Stages, but for some reason, there were only disc one and two. He included the third disc on a burnt CD, but it has gaps on it. I don't feel like buying Different Stages for one CD since I have the actual CDs for the first two discs.

Anyways, my question is was there a 2-disc release of this? I'm not home, and it's been a few years since I looked at the packaging, but I want to say there were only two slots for cds in mine.

I have it on CD somewhere, and I seem to recall that the third disc had its own sleeve and was just slipped into the jacket.  It also had some cool software graphics program on it that was fun to play with, but you could only run it if the CD was in, which limited it severely.

Yup.  Orbert is 100% correct.

Actually only first pressings had the third disc in it's own sleeve that the ends of the digipak enclosed when it folds back up. There were later pressings (I haven't seen too many) that did not include the third disc or the sleeve. (The Japanese version is pretty cool because you also got Force Ten as a bonus track and miniaturized Test For Echo and A Farewell To Kings tourbooks).

I adore that third sleeve. When I met Geddy at his solo album signing, I opted to have him sign the sleeve with him scalping Rush tickets on it  (and Alex being hauled away to the mental hospital) than his solo album. That's one of the funniest pictures I've seen on something that Rush has released.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 29, 2011, 04:17:52 PM
See, I got it on the release day(typical Rush fan) and never knew that.  I love that picture you talk about.  I love their sense of humor.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Jamesman42 on March 29, 2011, 04:40:01 PM
Time Machine tour was the best show yet that I have seen, IMO

Seeing them TOMORROW now OMG OMG
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on March 29, 2011, 04:42:27 PM
Have fun! I still have three months 'till my show.   :-\
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on March 29, 2011, 09:55:44 PM
ATTENTIONS ALL PLANETS OF THE SOLAR FEDERATION
ATTENTIONS ALL PLANETS OF THE SOLAR FEDERATION
ATTENTIONS ALL PLANETS OF THE SOLAR FEDERATION

NICK HAS FAILED AGAIN
NICK HAS FAILED AGAIN
NICK HAS FAILED AGAIN
NICK HAS FAILED AGAIN


Yes, I'm the one who fails, not the self-claimed mega Rush fans who thinks that final line is repeated four times. :p
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on March 29, 2011, 09:57:20 PM
He needed to repeat it a fourth time to really drive home how much you fail.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on March 29, 2011, 10:17:57 PM
2011-03-30: To celebrate the renewal of Rush's Time Machine tour, and my own personal trip of 400 miles to see the Rush DVD filming in Cleveland, April will officially be Rush month at When Prog and Power Unite. What exactly does Rush month mean you ask? Kicking off our show on April 4th will be the first set from Rush's Time Machine tour. The middle of the April 11th show will feature Moving Pictures in full, and the April 18th show will end with the remaining songs from the Time Machine tour. Included in that last show will be an excellent audience recording of Neil's solo from the tour.

So tell your fellow Rush fans to come on out for these shows and discuss the tour and all things Rush during the show.

====================

www.wpapu.com - Please spread this announcement in any Rush forums and communities you may be a part of!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on March 29, 2011, 10:30:59 PM
He needed to repeat it a fourth time to really drive home how much you fail.

I gotta side with Nick on this one.  The final line should not have been four times.  It's three and three.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on March 29, 2011, 10:57:40 PM
That's what I get for hitting command/c one too many times. :lol

But glaurung is still correct. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on March 30, 2011, 11:39:25 AM
Rush: 'Moving Pictures - Deluxe Edition' Trailer Released

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/rush_moving_pictures_-_deluxe_edition_trailer_released.html
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels (plz post tour spoilers elsewhere)
Post by: KevShmev on March 30, 2011, 11:19:16 PM
This year's tour started in Florida tonight.  The set list was reportedly the exact same as last year, as Alex said it would be.  So, there ya go.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels (plz post tour spoilers elsewhere)
Post by: DarkEternalNight on March 30, 2011, 11:24:25 PM
I figured but still disappointing.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels (plz post tour spoilers elsewhere)
Post by: skydivingninja on March 31, 2011, 05:34:02 AM
Oh well.  Still going to be amazing.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels (plz post tour spoilers elsewhere)
Post by: Orbert on March 31, 2011, 09:48:03 AM
Rush always put on a great show, but it is disappointing that they wouldn't change anything since last time.  The exact same set list?  That's kinda weak, guys.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels (plz post tour spoilers elsewhere)
Post by: Jamesman42 on March 31, 2011, 10:36:21 AM
Yeah, it was the same exact thing.

But you know what? It was still awesome. This time it was an arena show (instead of an outdoor amphitheater show), and the crowd had so much energy. Very very good.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels (plz post tour spoilers elsewhere)
Post by: King Postwhore on March 31, 2011, 12:27:13 PM
Rush always put on a great show, but it is disappointing that they wouldn't change anything since last time.  The exact same set list?  That's kinda weak, guys.

I think it's because the second leg was originally a European tour but they added US dates.  With Rush tours on a second leg in the same country they toured they always mix a few songs around.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on March 31, 2011, 12:29:23 PM
And at least Alex said before hand nothing would change. If you thought that was dumb you could simply not buy tickets.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on March 31, 2011, 12:36:53 PM
2011-03-30: To celebrate the renewal of Rush's Time Machine tour, and my own personal trip of 400 miles to see the Rush DVD filming in Cleveland, April will officially be Rush month at When Prog and Power Unite. What exactly does Rush month mean you ask? Kicking off our show on April 4th will be the first set from Rush's Time Machine tour. The middle of the April 11th show will feature Moving Pictures in full, and the April 18th show will end with the remaining songs from the Time Machine tour. Included in that last show will be an excellent audience recording of Neil's solo from the tour.

So tell your fellow Rush fans to come on out for these shows and discuss the tour and all things Rush during the show.

www.wpapu.com

====================

Please spread this announcement in any Rush forums and communities you may be a part of!

Has anyone been able to post this anywhere? If not can you post up some of the different forums and such so that I could go and post it?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on March 31, 2011, 12:47:31 PM
:metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on March 31, 2011, 01:28:01 PM
2011-03-30: To celebrate the renewal of Rush's Time Machine tour, and my own personal trip of 400 miles to see the Rush DVD filming in Cleveland, April will officially be Rush month at When Prog and Power Unite. What exactly does Rush month mean you ask? Kicking off our show on April 4th will be the first set from Rush's Time Machine tour. The middle of the April 11th show will feature Moving Pictures in full, and the April 18th show will end with the remaining songs from the Time Machine tour. Included in that last show will be an excellent audience recording of Neil's solo from the tour.

So tell your fellow Rush fans to come on out for these shows and discuss the tour and all things Rush during the show.

www.wpapu.com

====================

Please spread this announcement in any Rush forums and communities you may be a part of!

Has anyone been able to post this anywhere? If not can you post up some of the different forums and such so that I could go and post it?

DTF is the only forum I visit these days, but the people over at the rushmessageboard.com would probably be interested, so try there.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on March 31, 2011, 02:26:49 PM
And at least Alex said before hand nothing would change. If you thought that was dumb you could simply not buy tickets.

True, but then again, Alex said they'd be playing "Jacob's Ladder" last year. >:( :censored

Alex is my all-time favorite musician, but his words about set lists always have to be taken with a grain of salt. :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on March 31, 2011, 03:10:26 PM
And at least Alex said before hand nothing would change. If you thought that was dumb you could simply not buy tickets.

True, but then again, Alex said they'd be playing "Jacob's Ladder" last year. >:( :censored

Alex is my all-time favorite musician, but his words about set lists always have to be taken with a grain of salt. :lol

For all we know, they may have rehearsed the song but one or two or three of them may have decided against it during rehearsals. They have admitted to rehearsing "The Camera Eye" before (sometime in the last few tours) but have said they didn't "feel it" and thus, was dropped from the setlists. This could be the case for "Jacob's Ladder" on the Time Machine Tour.

Personally, I'd love to hear "Different Strings" over "Jacob's Ladder", especially since it has never been played live before. Infact, I'd like to see them do a tour with a set of unplayed songs including "Different Strings", "Madrigal", "Losing It", "Emotion Detector", "Second Nature" (acoustic, since Geddy said they thought about it), "Available Light" and many more from the last 4 albums.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on March 31, 2011, 03:18:42 PM
Alex is my all-timefavorite musician, but his words about set lists always have to be taken with a grain of salt. :lol
I'm not really in the mood to continue giving him the pass on this every single time!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on March 31, 2011, 03:31:41 PM
For all we know, they may have rehearsed the song but one or two or three of them may have decided against it during rehearsals. They have admitted to rehearsing "The Camera Eye" before (sometime in the last few tours) but have said they didn't "feel it" and thus, was dropped from the setlists. This could be the case for "Jacob's Ladder" on the Time Machine Tour

I am aware, but Alex has to know how diehard their fan base is, so he should know better than to say they are gonna play a classic that hasn't seen the light of day in 30 years unless he is 100% sure it is gonna get played.

Personally, I'd love to hear "Different Strings" over "Jacob's Ladder", especially since it has never been played live before. Infact, I'd like to see them do a tour with a set of unplayed songs including "Different Strings", "Madrigal", "Losing It", "Emotion Detector", "Second Nature" (acoustic, since Geddy said they thought about it), "Available Light" and many more from the last 4 albums.

Good idea in theory, but bad in reality.  A whole set full of never played songs would bore the majority of the crowd.  Throwing in a couple throughout the set list would be fine with me, but a whole set?  Nah.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on March 31, 2011, 03:43:06 PM
As I've been saying for years, one of the acoustic sets they did should have been Madrigal and Different Strings.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on March 31, 2011, 07:22:14 PM
As I've been saying for years, one of the acoustic sets they did should have been Madrigal and Different Strings.

meh
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on March 31, 2011, 09:59:04 PM
I'd rather hear "Second Nature", "Nobody's Hero" or "How It Is" as acoustic songs. (I know I said "Sweet Miracle", but after listening to it again, I figure "How It Is" would be better for an acoustic transition).

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on March 31, 2011, 10:18:52 PM
I'd love to see "Nobody's Hero" return in any form, even though Geddy always struggled a bit with the chorus live.  And the other bummer was that Alex could never play the solo before the second verse because he had to do the acoustic strumming (which cannot not be done there).  That little solo is one of my favorite moments of the entire CP record. :coolio
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on April 02, 2011, 01:34:40 PM
Today is the day! I'm literally covered in Rush.


Wow, no words can describe how amazing this band is.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 03, 2011, 06:24:07 AM
I'd love to see "Nobody's Hero" return in any form, even though Geddy always struggled a bit with the chorus live.  And the other bummer was that Alex could never play the solo before the second verse because he had to do the acoustic strumming (which cannot not be done there).  That little solo is one of my favorite moments of the entire CP record. :coolio

I'd rather hear that solo too.  I'd love to hear Everyday Glory live.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on April 03, 2011, 02:42:02 PM
My car broke down thirty minutes away from the venue last night.  Got to spend $300 fixing my car in Thomasville and just got back to school.  Didn't get to see Rush.

If I hadn't already seen them on the Time Machine tour already I probably would have cried.  But I'll cry now because I just spent $430 (ticket + car + gas) NOT to see Rush.  :(
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 03, 2011, 02:43:36 PM
Oh man...that seriously sucks.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jsem on April 03, 2011, 03:15:52 PM
Oh man...that seriously sucks.

Fully agree with this. I would lose it if I didn't get to see Rush now.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The King in Crimson on April 03, 2011, 03:22:04 PM
My car broke down thirty minutes away from the venue last night.  Got to spend $300 fixing my car in Thomasville and just got back to school.  Didn't get to see Rush.

If I hadn't already seen them on the Time Machine tour already I probably would have cried.  But I'll cry now because I just spent $430 (ticket + car + gas) NOT to see Rush.  :(
You know what cheers me up when stuff like this happens to me?

Hobo killing. A night of just good, clean hobo killing.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 03, 2011, 04:03:28 PM
sky, I'm sorry.  That's sucks.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 03, 2011, 05:45:15 PM
Ninja, that's horrible, and something I too have been worried about since I'm dragging my piece of crap car 400 miles for my show.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Jamesman42 on April 03, 2011, 05:52:47 PM
My car broke down thirty minutes away from the venue last night.  Got to spend $300 fixing my car in Thomasville and just got back to school.  Didn't get to see Rush.

If I hadn't already seen them on the Time Machine tour already I probably would have cried.  But I'll cry now because I just spent $430 (ticket + car + gas) NOT to see Rush.  :(

This is always my main concern driving 200-300 miles to see a concert.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on April 03, 2011, 06:32:02 PM
The distance was 190 miles.  I made it to 160. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Jamesman42 on April 03, 2011, 07:06:42 PM
Sweet Joseph Smith cheeseburgers that sucks!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on April 03, 2011, 07:48:39 PM
I would have made a sign that said something like "Need a lift to the Rush show". You know somebody going there too could have given you a lift.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on April 03, 2011, 09:29:23 PM
Oh yeah, now you tell him.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on April 03, 2011, 09:43:24 PM
And get picked up by some murderer/rapist?  No, thanks.  I enjoy existing without a violated anus.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on April 03, 2011, 09:44:39 PM
I know Rush fans can be weird but calling them rapists is a pretty harsh generalization.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on April 04, 2011, 05:28:36 AM
Not the Rush fans, of course, but I was pretty much in the middle of nowhere, and as everyone knows, you'll always get murdered if you hitchhike when your car breaks down.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on April 04, 2011, 08:00:49 AM
Not the Rush fans, of course, but I was pretty much in the middle of nowhere, and as everyone knows, you'll always get murdered if you hitchhike when your car breaks down.
Or at least end up with a violated anus.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Jirpo on April 04, 2011, 08:14:25 AM
Man, that sucks :( I would have been so pissed off!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 04, 2011, 12:37:52 PM
www.wpapu.com

2011-03-30: To celebrate the renewal of Rush's Time Machine tour, and my own personal trip of 400 miles to see the Rush DVD filming in Cleveland, April will officially be Rush month at When Prog and Power Unite. What exactly does Rush month mean you ask? Kicking off our show on April 4th will be the first set from Rush's Time Machine tour. The middle of the April 11th show will feature Moving Pictures in full, and the April 18th show will end with the remaining songs from the Time Machine tour. Included in that last show will be an excellent audience recording of Neil's solo from the tour.

So tell your fellow Rush fans to come on out for these shows and discuss the tour and all things Rush during the show.

The Rush celebration starts tonight. Show starts at 6 and with it the beginning set of the Time Machine tour. Come out and have some prime discussion with other Rush fanatics!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 04, 2011, 02:10:29 PM
My car broke down thirty minutes away from the venue last night.  Got to spend $300 fixing my car in Thomasville and just got back to school.  Didn't get to see Rush.

If I hadn't already seen them on the Time Machine tour already I probably would have cried.  But I'll cry now because I just spent $430 (ticket + car + gas) NOT to see Rush.  :(

Oof, that sucks big time.  Sorry to hear that happened to you, man! :tdwn :tdwn
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on April 04, 2011, 02:14:02 PM
On the bright side I've discovered that playing "Marathon" on bass is actually a lot easier than I thought it'd be.  I was so intimidated by the song for a year because it just sounded so difficult, but its really not!  Or maybe I'm just getting better.  Naaaaaah...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 04, 2011, 02:16:17 PM
Marathon will always be a live highlight for me as I saw it first time from the 4th row and had no clue about the little thing they added...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 04, 2011, 02:56:37 PM
I loved in the 80's when they played Marathon, they flooded the fans with white lights when the choir kicks in.  Goosebump moments.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 04, 2011, 03:50:26 PM
www.wpapu.com

Show starts in 10 minutes, really hoping for a strong crowd tonight, Rush fans better represent!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TempusVox on April 04, 2011, 11:07:15 PM
Skydivingninja.................CHECK YOUR PM.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on April 05, 2011, 12:52:59 AM
I loved in the 80's when they played Marathon, they flooded the fans with white lights when the choir kicks in.  Goosebump moments.

Oh man, I would love to have experienced that :eek

Such a grandiose way to end that song.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on April 05, 2011, 04:59:51 PM
Moving Pictures in 5.1 was released today.  I was going to pick it up on the way home from work, but I forget my card.  So instead I've been reading the reviews at AVS Forum and weeping silently to myself.  These are reviews from "real people" -- other forumites who are Rush fans.

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Wow.

Having just spent the morning with Moving Pictures on Blu-ray, I can say that they got it right all over again. This fabulous album is brand-new. From the opening synth growl in Tom Sawyer to final fade in Vital Signs you’ll be treated to something that is truly special.

The surround mix is magnificent. Your rear speakers get plenty of work, but never fear; this mix is a companion unobtrusive , there but never obnoxious. It’s aggressive where it fits the music (the opening synths and percussion in Witch Hunt), occasionally playful (the triangle that opens YYZ), but never gimmicky. You’ll be glad if you sprung for matching mains and surrounds.

Those (like me) that have bemoaned the neutered bass on previous Rush releases have cause to rejoice: it’s here in spades. Full, focused, never bloated, and present in amounts that will shake the rafters, we finally have a Rush release that will satisfy even the most ardent Ged-heads.

Neil’s drums are mixed as if watching him play from the audience, with high toms to the right. All the famous jaw-dropping fills that audiences have come to know and love are reproduced here in thunderous clarity. The drum sound is that of the era, of course, and Neil would probably wish that the open sound of his DW kit circa 2011 was captured here, but that’s part of the fun of remixing a classic.

Alex’s guitars are loud and proud, just like a good rock record ought to be. The effect is a full room sound that had this listener grinning for the entire 40 minutes this gem of a record runs.

Run, don’t walk, to your get your copy.

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Bought a copy of each version today from BB. Just finished playing the 5.1 PCM track on the BD version, and it was incredible to say the least. To think that this album is some 30-odd years old now...It seems they learned a lot of lessons from the Snakes and Arrows sessions when it comes to doing a proper 5.1 mix.

The videos were okay too. It was nice to see the clip for "Vital Signs" again after so long. And prior to getting this disc, I had never seen the studio clip for "Tom Sawyer" before.

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I just picked up the Blu Ray version of this album at Best Buy. They also have the DVD-Audio version for $17.99. I have listened to about half of the album in DTS-MA and it is outstanding. The mix is a little strong to the rears but overall very well balanced. The low end is amazing and will deffinately work your subs. There is a lot of low end from the center channel. I have a powered sub in series with my center and it is noticable. The sound overall is very open. I really enjoy this format. I have the Tom Petty releases as well and compared to the large selection of SACD and DVD-A's that I have I'd have to say the Blu Ray's are better. Navigation is a little tough initially. You need to turn on your TV so you can set the audio choice but once you do this I don't think you'll need to have the TV on to set this up. I have a Harmony One and even using the audio button it is a little slow to find the DTS-MA. The video's are OK. Older footage of the band in 4:3 but the audio is DTS-MA. Overall I am very pleased with this disc. I will see what the regular CD sounds like but I do not expect it to compete with the surround sound mix. I can only hope that more music is released in this format. I'll be interested to see what others think of this. Enjoy.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 05, 2011, 05:02:01 PM
I picked it up the MP 5.1 Blu Ray an hour ago and will post my review tomorrow when I listen to it!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on April 05, 2011, 05:03:12 PM
 :facepalm: Amazon said the blu ray wasn't being released until May, and still says that. However, the DVD on there says April 5.

I wonder if I order the blu ray from them if I will get it now, or if they'll make me wait til May?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 05, 2011, 05:06:13 PM
:facepalm: Amazon said the blu ray wasn't being released until May, and still says that. However, the DVD on there says April 5.

I wonder if I order the blu ray from them if I will get it now, or if they'll make me wait til May?

Cancel and Best Buy now!!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on April 05, 2011, 05:12:12 PM
How much is the blu-ray at best buy?

I might wait a bit anyways until i get my tax return... probably shouldn't be spending money when I don't have much.  :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 05, 2011, 06:10:20 PM
TempusVox, check your pm's! :p
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TempusVox on April 05, 2011, 07:55:32 PM
TempusVox, check your pm's! :p

WHAT PM?!?!?! Damnit Nick.......

I'm outside of Lexington, Kentucky tonight. Will be here for a couple of days...   ;) ;) ;)

Then I'm off to have some chocolate!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on April 05, 2011, 07:56:53 PM
ITT: TempusVox shows off in front of us yet again.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TempusVox on April 05, 2011, 08:12:34 PM
ITT: TempusVox shows off in front of us yet again.  :biggrin:

Wow! Really ??

wtf..............
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on April 05, 2011, 08:17:07 PM
Relax dude, I'm just joking!  Hence the smiley!  I assumed when you said you were in Lexington that you were with the band (don't actually know if they're in Lexington right now though), so naturally, I made a joke like "oh man, Tempus is pulling the 'I know Rush' card again on a forum with a bunch of prog geeks!"   :D
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 05, 2011, 08:28:42 PM
How much is the blu-ray at best buy?

I might wait a bit anyways until i get my tax return... probably shouldn't be spending money when I don't have much.  :lol

Blu Ray--$19.99
DVD---$17.99

Only till thursday.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on April 05, 2011, 08:52:05 PM
Nick I can't believe you chose not to go to TWO shows
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 05, 2011, 09:01:27 PM
Re-sent the PM tempus, let me know if you don't get it.

Nick I can't believe you chose not to go to TWO shows

Had they mixed up the set things would have been different, but up until the Cleveland announcement I was choosing to go to no shows. Not an easy decision to make, but having seen them 3 times already it wasn't appealing financially.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on April 05, 2011, 09:04:45 PM
it's rush goddammit

Gonna be weird going to a concert where no DTF members are present except myself lol. I've gotten used to meeting up with people :P
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on April 05, 2011, 09:26:58 PM
I've had to skip out on this leg as well. If they changed up a couple songs, I would have probably gone, but as it is I need to save up money, and since I saw two shows last leg there was no real need to travel all the way to NYC to see the same show for the third time.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on April 05, 2011, 09:38:03 PM
ITT Rush ticket sales are affected by the recession and not changing up the set list at least a little bit.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Jamesman42 on April 05, 2011, 10:27:08 PM
I was almost the same way...it was the same set I saw last year. But hey, it was Spring Break, tickets were already bought and I hadn't seen my best friend since the last show.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on April 05, 2011, 11:00:48 PM
I don't see a lot of concerts, but I've seen Rush more than any other band.  Any Rush show is a good show, so if it's not a big deal, it makes sense to go, plus you got to see your friend and see Rush together.  It's the shared experience that makes it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Jamesman42 on April 06, 2011, 08:20:10 AM
So true. He was the one that took me to my first concert (Gigantour with DT and Megadeth). Ever since, I've missed maybe 3 concerts without him, and have gone to about 30 in my lifetime.

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on April 06, 2011, 05:23:07 PM
Not appealing financially, yet I go (to MSG) anyway. It would have been cheaper if I drove to Cleveland. I'm done thinking about that one.


I've already started a fund for the Clockwork Angels Tour.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 06, 2011, 08:24:51 PM
The Blu Ray 5.1 did not disappoint.  I loved that fact the the rear speakers were well used.  There was an ambiance to the music surrounding my ears.  Each speaker had all the instruments but say when the keyboards or the triangle came in it flowed out of a certain speaker.  I need to listen to it again to soak it all in.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 06, 2011, 08:36:01 PM
Best Buy has gone down a few notches in my book as it did not even arrive today... better be here after work tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on April 06, 2011, 09:59:11 PM
Sorry to hear that you had a bad experience.  Our Best Buy had four of five copies on Blu-ray, and another two or three on DVD-A.  I went with Blu-ray.  I'm such a geek that I sat in the car and took some pictures.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/216408_1676269108508_1290888855_31486586_6752617_n.jpg)

Deluxe Edition, baby!

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/207988_1676269228511_1290888855_31486587_5355748_n.jpg)

Opened partway:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/217297_1676269468517_1290888855_31486588_329620_n.jpg)

Opened all the way.  You can see the booklet tucked behind the middle panel:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/207892_1676268508493_1290888855_31486584_4576697_n.jpg)

My wife and daughter will be gone most of the weekend.  I'll be joining them Saturday, but that still leaves me Friday evening to crank this bad boy.  I can't wait!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on April 07, 2011, 04:06:58 AM
That package looks delicious.  ;D
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 07, 2011, 05:36:11 AM
The booklet is fantastic.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 07, 2011, 01:56:46 PM
GAH I CAN'T WAIT 6 MORE DAYS TO SEE THEM.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jsem on April 08, 2011, 02:33:41 AM
4 weeks exactly left for me. I'm going to start my Rush marathon listening in abt 2 weeks. Listening to every album like 5 times.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 08, 2011, 05:17:14 AM
4 weeks exactly left for me. I'm going to start my Rush marathon listening in abt 2 weeks. Listening to every album like 5 times.

Nugget.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 08, 2011, 05:40:43 AM
Link to MP 5.1 with pictures of the booklet that has pictures of the original recording sessions.



https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2011/04/08/2559/Moving-Pictures-5.1-remix-liner-notes-and-images-now-online
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 08, 2011, 12:47:18 PM
God dammit. I caved, decided to look for tickets for Hershey tonight last minute, found some newly released ones, but can't get anyone to cover for me tonight. :(
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jsem on April 08, 2011, 12:56:29 PM
4 weeks exactly left for me. I'm going to start my Rush marathon listening in abt 2 weeks. Listening to every album like 5 times.

Nugget.
LOL

Ok. Gonna listen to Marathon for like a day straight some time soon lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 08, 2011, 12:58:47 PM
I've been listening to everything in the run up to Cleveland, all I have left is Presto, Moving Pictures, Vapor Trails, and Snakes & Arrows.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on April 08, 2011, 03:55:27 PM
Got my Snakes and Arrows 5.1 mix today. Probably my favorite album ever.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 08, 2011, 03:58:33 PM
Got my Snakes and Arrows 5.1 mix today. Probably my favorite album ever.

The Main Monkey Business is heaven in 5.1
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on April 08, 2011, 04:21:32 PM
Wait, are you guys talking about a 5.1 mix of the CD, or the Snakes and Arrows Live concert vid?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on April 08, 2011, 04:30:37 PM
Wait, are you guys talking about a 5.1 mix of the CD, or the Snakes and Arrows Live concert vid?

Pretty sure they mean the album. It was released in a "MVI" format or something, which had a 5.1 mix on it. Comes in a little box. It's pretty awesome
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on April 08, 2011, 04:55:28 PM
Yeah, the MVI format.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on April 08, 2011, 04:59:36 PM
Wow, I didn't know they released it in 5.1.  I still do most of my music shopping in stores, not online, and never saw anything other than a regular CD version.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on April 08, 2011, 08:21:44 PM
Okay, I listened to Moving Pictures on Blu-ray tonight.  I think I nearly came in my pants about five times.  But that was over the course of 40 minutes, so you have to take that into account.

40 minutes of 5.1 PCM lossless analog bliss.  Mmmmm... ♫♫♫♪

I fucking love having a nice home theater and sound system.  I'm not bragging; it's not that nice, but it sounds damned good and that's what counts.

Now I have to hunt down a 5.1 copy of Snakes and Arrows.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Jamesman42 on April 08, 2011, 08:25:19 PM
Snakes and Arrows would sound amazing
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 08, 2011, 08:45:30 PM
Wow, I didn't know they released it in 5.1.  I still do most of my music shopping in stores, not online, and never saw anything other than a regular CD version.

Orbit.  It's fantastic.  Also you get to see the making of video.  A must buy.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on April 08, 2011, 08:51:01 PM
Ouch, $35 at Amazon and it's DVD-A.  Moving Pictures was $20 for Blu-ray.  I can play DVD-A, but I have to find a better price.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on April 08, 2011, 09:00:36 PM
Pretty sure it was a limited edition thing, so I dunno how much cheaper you'll be able to find it for.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ehra on April 08, 2011, 10:11:15 PM
Experienced my first Rush show ever today. It was rad.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on April 08, 2011, 10:54:05 PM
GODDAMMIT YOU WERE THERE TOO? WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY ANYTHING?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ehra on April 09, 2011, 08:47:25 AM
I DON'T KNOW, GOD I'M SO STUPID.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on April 09, 2011, 08:49:38 AM
I didn't realize you lived so close. Always figured you from Montana or some shit lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ehra on April 09, 2011, 09:34:55 AM
Huh  :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on April 09, 2011, 09:55:55 AM
Well obviously nobody lives in Montana. But still.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 09, 2011, 03:34:18 PM
I can't wait much longer. 4 more days still.  :sadpanda:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on April 09, 2011, 03:37:30 PM
BUT IT'LL BE SO AWESOME

I think Geddy/Alex should do an improv jam after Neil's solo. I like his acoustic noodling, but I feel it could be more epic
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 09, 2011, 03:41:27 PM
I've been listening to Rush all day in anticipation. And, after the show on Wednesday, I get to go see them on Sunday with floor seats.  :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 09, 2011, 05:27:09 PM
ONLY 6 MORE DAYS TILL CLEVELAND!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Scrub206 on April 10, 2011, 01:33:57 PM
4 HOURS AND 27 MINUTES!!!!!!!

im pretty fuckin pumped. not my first time seeing them but they're deffinatly my favorite band to see live!  :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 10, 2011, 02:20:30 PM
3 MORE DAYS!  :D
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 11, 2011, 01:09:44 PM
www.wpapu.com

2nd part of Rush month during tonight's show! :D
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 11, 2011, 03:53:31 PM
Show kicks off in seven minutes!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on April 12, 2011, 12:16:19 PM
So if I don't have a 5.1 setup, is the deluxe edition of Moving Pictures worth it? How much of a difference is there between the CD in this release, and the 'Rush Remasters' version?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on April 12, 2011, 01:18:21 PM
I thought Moving Pictures from "The Rush Remasters" series sounded pretty damned good, but I didn't have an older CD to compare it to.  I only had my vinyl.  So I'm thinking that it would only really make a difference if you're serious audiophile or Rushophile and have a system which can do it justice.  But if that were the case, then you'd either have Blu-ray or DVD-A capability.

So the answer is to pick it up on Blu-ray now anyway, because someday you'll have an HD setup, but the price will never be this low again.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on April 12, 2011, 02:09:01 PM
I thought Moving Pictures from "The Rush Remasters" series sounded pretty damned good, but I didn't have an older CD to compare it to.  I only had my vinyl.  So I'm thinking that it would only really make a difference if you're serious audiophile or Rushophile and have a system which can do it justice.  But if that were the case, then you'd either have Blu-ray or DVD-A capability.

So the answer is to pick it up on Blu-ray now anyway, because someday you'll have an HD setup, but the price will never be this low again.

Exactly my thoughts. I got the Blu-Ray version now, but I might just go ahead and order the DVD one anyway so I can watch the "Vital Signs" video. And to just have both versions. I own both versions of Snakes & Arrows and I don't even have any sort of HD-capable or 5.1 system to listen to it on, but that's ok. I just have it so whenever I eventually do have such a system, I won't have to worry about spending ridiculous amounts of money to get something that was so cheap at time of release.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 12, 2011, 02:29:16 PM
First Rush show.

TOMORROW.  :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on April 12, 2011, 02:51:58 PM
I might just go ahead and order the DVD one anyway so I can watch the "Vital Signs" video.

It's a DVD-A, not a regular DVD.  You're aware that there's a difference, right?  DVD-A will not play on a standard DVD player.  It must support DVD-A.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on April 12, 2011, 03:17:11 PM
I probably will pick it up. When I bought the new Foo Fighter album earlier today, they had Moving Pictures next to it (new release section), and the Blu Ray version was only $25 CAD.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: emindead on April 12, 2011, 06:47:04 PM
Wow, I'm posting in this thread.

You know what's cool about "A Passage to Bangkok"? Its first verse:

Our first stop is in Bogotá
To check Colombian fields
The natives smile and pass along
A sample of their yield


:D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on April 12, 2011, 07:26:35 PM
So I bought the Moving Pictures Deluxe Edition (the Blu Ray version). Some day, I'll actually be able to play it.  :lol
I will say, while I don't usually like Digipaks, this one is quite nice.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on April 12, 2011, 08:22:47 PM
40 minutes of 5.1 PCM lossless analog bliss.  Mmmmm... ♫♫♫♪

Wait....

wait....

Analog? Really?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 12, 2011, 08:38:20 PM
No, not really. :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 12, 2011, 09:56:02 PM
Geddy and Alex interviewed by Rolling Stone.  Really.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/blogs/rolling-stone-video-blog/exclusive-video-rush-rock-madison-square-garden-20110412
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on April 12, 2011, 10:12:17 PM
Geddy and Alex interviewed by Rolling Stone.  Really.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/blogs/rolling-stone-video-blog/exclusive-video-rush-rock-madison-square-garden-20110412


Rolling Stone; Trashing bands, and then pretending they always liked that band, since 1967.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on April 12, 2011, 10:20:47 PM
Good interview though.  And tbh, it's Jann Wenner who hates Rush.  Maybe the interviewer actually DID like Rush for the longest time and has been lobbying for more Rush in Rolling Stone.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on April 12, 2011, 10:21:20 PM
Geddy and Alex interviewed by Rolling Stone.  Really.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/blogs/rolling-stone-video-blog/exclusive-video-rush-rock-madison-square-garden-20110412

Nice video!  I liked the quote from Geddy: "Sometimes you don't have the requisite objectivity to know when you're doing your best work.  That's what you have producers for."  I'm not normally one of the "Dream Theater needs an outside producer again" people, but when even Rush values that outside, objective input, it does make you wonder a little bit if DT will ever go that route again.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on April 12, 2011, 11:04:29 PM
40 minutes of 5.1 PCM lossless analog bliss.  Mmmmm... ♫♫♫♪

Wait....

wait....

Analog? Really?

No, but technically it's as close as you're going to get in a digital medium.  DTS HDMA and Dolby TrueHD are lossless compression codecs, but a PCM audio track is lossless and uncompressed as well.  Until they figure out a way to actually put analog on a disc, PCM is it.

Also, I threw that out there just to see if anyone would catch it.  Congrats!  ;)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 13, 2011, 07:30:47 AM
Growing up in the 70's and 80's, it seemed that RS was all about the fads or what was hip or indie at the time.  I also remember talking to my cousin over the years on why RS had reviewers do a review on a Rush album that hated Rush.  They never picked someone with an open mind and or liked prog music.  It seemed slanted to their own agenda.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on April 13, 2011, 07:36:11 AM
40 minutes of 5.1 PCM lossless analog bliss.  Mmmmm... ♫♫♫♪

Wait....

wait....

Analog? Really?

No, but technically it's as close as you're going to get in a digital medium.  DTS HDMA and Dolby TrueHD are lossless compression codecs, but a PCM audio track is lossless and uncompressed as well.  Until they figure out a way to actually put analog on a disc, PCM is it.

Also, I threw that out there just to see if anyone would catch it.  Congrats!  ;)

Ah, ok!  :lol I wasn't sure if that was possible at all, but you got my hopes up for a minute!

And RS sucks. As does the RoR Hall of Fame. And anyone else who does not appreciate Rush for one of the greatest bands to ever come out of the 70s.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on April 13, 2011, 07:39:42 AM
Rolling Stone has always seen themselves as the ones who decide what is cool.  It was actually mostly true for a while, so they're not completely deluded, but when half the bands/artists in The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame aren't even Rock and Roll, and actual rock bands which have sold tens of millions of albums get snubbed year after year, it is clearly just them taking their self-appointed role of Coolness Dictators to the extreme.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 13, 2011, 07:53:26 AM
What bugs me is that they pick and choose what genre of music can get into the RRHF.  I don't have a problem if they didn't exclude some types of music.  Oh well, at least in the last 4 to 5 years they seem to be coming along to Rush's side.  Maybe they've been taking a hit on their cred and the succumbed to the pressure.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on April 13, 2011, 09:08:03 AM
I don't even care if Rush is never inducted. I think the whole concept is pretty stupid anyways. It's cool to have a "museum" of rock kind of thing... but the actual inductions and shit? Bah. Especially since they neglect so many awesome bands on purpose.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on April 13, 2011, 09:20:15 AM
If Alex doesn't care, then neither do I.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on April 13, 2011, 11:45:28 AM
So in the recent weeks that I have been listening to Rush, it's been mostly 2112-Hold Your Fire, with the occasional listens to COS, S&A, and VT. For some reason or another, I've not really spun the first four Atlantic-era Albums more than a few times, but the others have been on massive repeat.

The two I've REALLY neglected have been the first two albums, which I've been listening to since yesterday. I nearly forgot just how GOOD some of the songs on those two albums really are! Sure they're a bit less like what they became, but for what they are (Led Zeppelin-esque songs and albums), they're really good! The playing is great for how young and "new" they were to major label recording/releasing back then. They had handfuls of songs and turned out two pretty decent albums in 1974.

I see the debut as more of the early-LZ type album, hard rock and blues with some heavier, almost metal-ish sounds. Then I see FBN as the later-LZ type album, with some longer tracks and extended instrumental sections, and a Tolkien-inspired track. They got a bit away from the LZ feel on Caress Of Steel, but the first three tracks on that album still had that feel, but to me COS is more of their Yes/Genesis type album, with two multi-movement songs (one being a side-long), and a few shorter songs, but "Bastille Day" as that EPIC ending which is a bit removed from their LZ-style songs from their first two albums.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on April 13, 2011, 12:30:14 PM
The first two albums aren't decent...they're great.  Except Rivendell.  That song can go suck a dick.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on April 13, 2011, 12:54:57 PM
I still like how RS trashed Led Zeppelin's debut album when it first came out, but then years later acted like they had always liked it. It's definitely one of the best examples of what RS is all about.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on April 13, 2011, 01:32:27 PM
Fly By Night and COS are good albums. The debut is iffy to me. Musically, pretty cool, but a lot of it is very cheesy/cringeworthy.... namely the lyrics.

Finding My Way is one of my favorite Rush songs though!  :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: lonestar on April 13, 2011, 01:38:40 PM
I'm with you on Finding my Way.  Also always loved Lakeside Park, my senior quote was from that song.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 14, 2011, 04:37:19 AM
Last night was fucking incredible. By far, the best show I've ever witnessed.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 14, 2011, 05:31:27 AM
Last night was fucking incredible. By far, the best show I've ever witnessed.

How'd you like Alex's tone for his rhythm and solo's?  Plus the videos must have killed you seeing them for the first time.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on April 14, 2011, 05:55:29 AM
Last night was fucking incredible. By far, the best show I've ever witnessed.

 :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Scrub206 on April 14, 2011, 06:52:59 AM
I thought the video was absolutely hilarious XD it was still funny as Hell after seeing it already.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 14, 2011, 08:54:44 AM
Last night was fucking incredible. By far, the best show I've ever witnessed.

 :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on April 14, 2011, 11:22:58 AM
I'm with you on Finding my Way.  Also always loved Lakeside Park, my senior quote was from that song.

Though it's just a memory some memories last forever?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on April 14, 2011, 11:28:53 AM
Last night was fucking incredible.

That's what she--












Um, sorry about that.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 14, 2011, 12:05:23 PM
Um, sorry about that.

And that's what HE said.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on April 14, 2011, 12:12:41 PM
Ouch!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 14, 2011, 12:13:32 PM
45 minutes until I start on the road to Cleveland! :D
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 14, 2011, 04:22:06 PM
Last night was fucking incredible. By far, the best show I've ever witnessed.

How'd you like Alex's tone for his rhythm and solo's?  Plus the videos must have killed you seeing them for the first time.
Alex absolutely blew me away. I was definitely looking forward to seeing Neil and Geddy more, but some of Alex's solos were the highlight of the show (especially La Villa, holy shit).
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Curious Orange on April 15, 2011, 03:43:06 AM
I'm going to see Rush on 25 May at the O2 in London. For those of you over the pond, the O2 is that big Millenium Dome thing that James Bond falls down in The World is not Enough.

Point is, it's massive. It's twice the size of Wembley. And I'm right at the back.  :tdwn

So while I'm looking forward to the show, I'm also starting to think I might have been better off seeing them at one of their other UK shows, Sheffield or Birmingham, maybe, where they're playing more stnadrad sized arenas. 

How do people get tickets for the front rows, anyway? I've been to thousands of concerts and the only times I've ever been anywhere near the front are for general admission shows.

Anyway. have been listening to all the Rush albums in order in anticipation. 2112 is even better than I recalled, as was Permanant Waves. Hemispheres not so much.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 15, 2011, 01:07:58 PM
Four hours until dvd filming... can't fucking wait!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jsem on April 15, 2011, 01:20:34 PM
I'm going to see Rush on 25 May at the O2 in London. For those of you over the pond, the O2 is that big Millenium Dome thing that James Bond falls down in The World is not Enough.

Point is, it's massive. It's twice the size of Wembley. And I'm right at the back.  :tdwn

So while I'm looking forward to the show, I'm also starting to think I might have been better off seeing them at one of their other UK shows, Sheffield or Birmingham, maybe, where they're playing more stnadrad sized arenas. 

How do people get tickets for the front rows, anyway? I've been to thousands of concerts and the only times I've ever been anywhere near the front are for general admission shows.

Anyway. have been listening to all the Rush albums in order in anticipation. 2112 is even better than I recalled, as was Permanant Waves. Hemispheres not so much.
Permanent Waves was actually a bummer this time. I don't like it entirely too much, but I absolutely love Hemispheres.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 15, 2011, 03:18:42 PM
Four hours until dvd filming... can't fucking wait!

Have a blast and can't wait to see your review.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on April 15, 2011, 03:21:02 PM
I may end up seeing these guys with a friend in El Paso, Texas this summer.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on April 15, 2011, 04:54:42 PM
Have fun Nick! (and anyone else who is going) If it's HALF as good as what we witnessed you are in for a real treat.


I could go on about how monumentally awesome the MSG show was and bore everyone to tears, but Ill just leave you with this steller Innerview with Neil:

https://955klos.com/Article.asp?id=2159690&spid=24575
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 15, 2011, 06:56:42 PM
1st set done, AMAZING, but possible minor screw up in Presto.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on April 15, 2011, 08:27:06 PM
There was a messup at my show on Presto as well.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on April 15, 2011, 10:34:54 PM
If they did it the same way more than once, it wasn't a screwup.  This is how they play it now.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on April 16, 2011, 11:03:16 AM
Have fun Nick! (and anyone else who is going) If it's HALF as good as what we witnessed you are in for a real treat.


I could go on about how monumentally awesome the MSG show was and bore everyone to tears, but Ill just leave you with this steller Innerview with Neil:

https://955klos.com/Article.asp?id=2159690&spid=24575

Great interview! I loved what he had to say about Red Barchetta.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on April 16, 2011, 12:31:29 PM
Bass solo in Driven on Different Stages = :hefdaddy  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 16, 2011, 02:24:49 PM
Wow, its almost been a year since I saw them when they first started the tour.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MetalManiac666 on April 16, 2011, 02:48:05 PM
How do people get tickets for the front rows, anyway? I've been to thousands of concerts and the only times I've ever been anywhere near the front are for general admission shows.

Holy shit.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 16, 2011, 06:29:24 PM
If they did it the same way more than once, it wasn't a screwup.  This is how they play it now.

Yeah, but we have no way of knowing it was the same way, and I don't remember it from the first leg. Like I said, I'm not sure it was a screw up, but it *might* have been one.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on April 16, 2011, 09:22:50 PM
I find your lack of faith... disturbing.

This is Rush we're talking about.  They do not "screw up".  Search your feelings.  You know it is true.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The King in Crimson on April 16, 2011, 09:50:59 PM
Listening to Moving Pictures in 5.1 right now.

Wow, "Red Barchetta" (one of my favorite Rush songs) has never sounded better!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on April 17, 2011, 03:46:23 AM
Unfortunately I don't have a 5.1 system (kids and an odd shaped room!) but I would think AFTK would make a great 5.1 mix. But I guess you could say that about most of the catalogue.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on April 17, 2011, 04:19:37 PM
I'm trying to eat a sausage, but the image of Alex in a fat suit keeps popping up and making me laugh


goddammit Rush :lol Half musicians half comedy act :P
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 17, 2011, 04:26:43 PM
I've arrived home from my Cleveland adventures, will spend the night writing something up.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 18, 2011, 02:26:19 PM
I've arrived home from my Cleveland adventures, will spend the night writing something up.

Been slow on this as the trip took lots out of me, but by Tuesday night I promise a review.

For now though...

www.wpapu.com

Third and final week of the Rush tribute show tonight, featuring Caravan till the end of the Time Machine set.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 20, 2011, 01:06:00 PM
For all you guitarists.  Alex talking and showing his gear set up for the Time Machine Tour. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3-E-t3JSllw
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 22, 2011, 03:22:57 PM
I currently make $10.56 an hour. Easter I will be making double time. This is awesome.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on April 22, 2011, 03:35:44 PM
I currently make $10.56 an hour. Easter I will be making double time. This is awesome.

It took me a second to figure out why you were posting that in this thread.  :lol

I got some of my tax money so I think I'm gonna be ordering my blu ray of Moving Pictures.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Dimitrius on April 22, 2011, 08:19:47 PM
I know this has been probably done here, but I wanted to ask:

What's your favorite Rush album? Mine is a tied between Signals and Permanent Waves.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 22, 2011, 08:20:15 PM
A Farewell to Kings.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 22, 2011, 08:22:40 PM
1. Hemispheres
2. A Farewell to Kings
3. Moving Pictures
4. 2112
5. Snakes & Arrows
6. Roll the Bones
7. Permanent Waves
8. Counterparts
9. Fly By Night
10. Caress of Steel
11. Rush
12. Presto
13. Hold Your Fire
14. Power Windows
15. Vapor Trails
16. Test For Echo
17. Grace Under Pressure
18. Signals

I don't care for the synth era much at all.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The King in Crimson on April 22, 2011, 08:27:22 PM
Kind of a tie between 2112, Permanent Waves, and Moving Pictures.  Moving Pictures probably.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on April 22, 2011, 08:28:23 PM
Top 5:
1. Permanent Waves
1. Hemispheres
1. A Farewell to Kings
4. Power Windows
5. Moving Pictures
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 22, 2011, 08:31:57 PM
Well, if we're gonna do like a list.

Top 5:
Signals
Permanent Waves
Hemispheres
Moving Pictures
A Farewell to Kings
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Post by: carl320 on April 22, 2011, 10:28:24 PM
Grace Under Pressure or Hemispheres.

But the more I think about it, the more albums can take the top spot  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on April 23, 2011, 01:22:41 AM
Moving Pictures :hefdaddy

A Farewell To Kings would be 2nd.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 23, 2011, 04:53:55 AM
Power Windows
Hemispheres
Permanent Waves
Moving Pictures
Counterparts
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Post by: skydivingninja on April 23, 2011, 06:50:25 AM
Moving Pictures
A Farewell to Kings
Power Windows
Permanent Waves
Counterparts
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jsem on April 23, 2011, 09:57:19 AM
1. Hemispheres
2. A Farewell to Kings
3. Moving Pictures
4. 2112
5. Snakes & Arrows
6. Roll the Bones
7. Permanent Waves
8. Counterparts
9. Fly By Night
10. Caress of Steel
11. Rush
12. Presto
13. Hold Your Fire
14. Power Windows
15. Vapor Trails
16. Test For Echo
17. Grace Under Pressure
18. Signals

I don't care for the synth era much at all.
Pretty much this, but I still like Grace Under Pressure for some reason - so it'd get bumped to abt 12th.
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Post by: DarkEternalNight on April 23, 2011, 10:40:32 AM
1. Snakes & Arrows
2. Signals
3. Moving Pictures
4. Permanent Waves
5. A Farewell to Kings
6. Hemispheres
7. 2112
8. Power Windows
9. Grace Under Pressure
10. Caress of Steel
11. Counterparts
12. Vapor Trails
13. Fly By Night
14. Test For Echo
15. Presto
16. Rush
17. Hold Your Fire
18. Roll the Bones
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Scrub206 on April 24, 2011, 02:25:19 AM
Top 5:
1. Roll the bones
2. Presto
3. Moving Pictures
4. Vapor trails
5. Power Windows
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on April 24, 2011, 10:15:27 AM
is it can be list tiem nao?

I'll just do top 5

Power Windows

Signals
Roll the Bones
Fly by Night
Permanent Waves


Justin, your post is full of such fail I can't even begin to explain it
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TAC on April 24, 2011, 10:21:35 AM
Moving Pictures
Hemispheres
2112
Permanent Waves
A Farewell To Kings
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on April 24, 2011, 12:50:15 PM
AFTK
Moving Pictures
Permanent Waves
RTB
2112

Though I do love them all (except Hemispheres and everything post RTB except Counterparts)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on April 24, 2011, 12:57:08 PM
You don't love Hemispheres? How do you live with yourself?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 24, 2011, 12:58:20 PM
Though I do love them all (except Hemispheres and everything post RTB except Counterparts)

Why wouldn't you just say post-Counterparts?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jonny108 on April 25, 2011, 06:14:53 AM
Got Cygnus X-1 on now...Fucking love it!!!  :heart  :metal Geddy's high screams give me chills every time.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on April 25, 2011, 08:02:25 AM
Got Cygnus X-1 on now...Fucking love it!!!  :heart  :metal Geddy's high screams give me chills every time.

Easily my favorite Rush song of all time.  :tup
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Dimitrius on April 25, 2011, 02:36:32 PM
I was listening to Moving Pictures on the way home from uni and man, why doesn't Vital Signs get more love?!?!

That song is frickin' amazing!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: tri.ad on April 25, 2011, 02:50:46 PM
Vital Signs is amazing indeed. I love the general groove of it and the little bass solo.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on April 25, 2011, 08:42:55 PM
I don't like Witch Hunt or Vital Signs. Moving Pictures would be my favorite Rush album if it was only 5 tracks long.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on April 25, 2011, 08:45:13 PM
Got Cygnus X-1 on now...Fucking love it!!!  :heart  :metal Geddy's high screams give me chills every time.

Easily my favorite Rush song of all time.  :tup

SPINNING, WHIRLING, STILL DESCENDING LIKE A SPIRAL SEA UNENDING
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on April 25, 2011, 08:51:41 PM
Got Cygnus X-1 on now...Fucking love it!!!  :heart  :metal Geddy's high screams give me chills every time.

Easily my favorite Rush song of all time.  :tup

SPINNING, WHIRLING, STILL DESCENDING LIKE A SPIRAL SEA UNENDING

SOUND AND FURY DROWNS MY HEART, EVERY NERVE IS TORN APARTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

 :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on April 25, 2011, 09:08:34 PM
I don't like Witch Hunt or Vital Signs. Moving Pictures would be my favorite Rush album if it was only 5 tracks long.

God fucking dammit Gadough.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on April 25, 2011, 09:38:03 PM
I don't like Witch Hunt or Vital Signs. Moving Pictures would be my favorite Rush album if it was only 5 tracks long.

I used to feel the same way.  I was fine through "The Camera Eye" and then lost interest.  Just recently, though, the last two tracks have started growing on me.  I'm still not that crazy about "Vital Signs" but "Witch Hunt" has gotten better.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on April 25, 2011, 09:40:38 PM
I don't like Witch Hunt or Vital Signs. Moving Pictures would be my favorite Rush album if it was only 5 tracks long.

God fucking dammit Gadough.

You don't think The Camera Eye would be a great album closer?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Dimitrius on April 25, 2011, 09:42:39 PM
I don't like Witch Hunt or Vital Signs. Moving Pictures would be my favorite Rush album if it was only 5 tracks long.

God fucking dammit Gadough.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on April 25, 2011, 09:52:54 PM
I like all of the songs on Moving Pictures, but it is a very front-heavy album for me; The first four tracks are amazing, Camera Eye great, Witch Hunt and Vital Signs are good, but not really on the same level as the first four songs.
Just opinion of course.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 25, 2011, 10:01:49 PM
I don't like Witch Hunt or Vital Signs. Moving Pictures would be my favorite Rush album if it was only 5 tracks long.

God fucking dammit Gadough.

You don't think The Camera Eye would be a great album closer?

Because that's what he said?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MetalManiac666 on April 25, 2011, 10:02:31 PM
Moving Pictures is solid all the way through.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on April 25, 2011, 10:03:54 PM
I don't like Witch Hunt or Vital Signs. Moving Pictures would be my favorite Rush album if it was only 5 tracks long.

God fucking dammit Gadough.

You don't think The Camera Eye would be a great album closer?

Because that's what he said?

I wasn't asking rhetorically. It was an actual question. I probably could have worded it better.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on April 25, 2011, 10:07:16 PM
No because Moving Pictures is perfect as it is you apocalyptic dingleberry.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on April 25, 2011, 10:08:25 PM
What a colorful insult. :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on April 25, 2011, 11:01:04 PM
WHY DID YOU BRING COLOR INTO IT GAWD
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on April 26, 2011, 01:30:48 AM
I was thinking about this the other day actually. Moving Pictures is awesome until the last two songs. They're both good songs, but not of the same quality as the previous tracks. I prefer Vital Signs to Witch Hunt though.

EVERYBODY'S GOT TO DEVIATE FROM THE NORM
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on April 26, 2011, 01:33:36 AM
It's not so much that they're bad songs...they're not. They just don't sound like they belong on the album. They feel tacked on.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 26, 2011, 05:33:27 AM
What is this silly talk of the last 2 songs. Blasphemy I tell you.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on April 26, 2011, 05:52:16 AM
It's not so much that they're bad songs...they're not. They just don't sound like they belong on the album. They feel tacked on.

You don't belong in life with that kind of opinion.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on April 26, 2011, 05:59:48 AM
I gotta kind of agree with Drew and Zydar. I like Vital Signs a lot, but Witch Hunt is easily the weakest track on the album. Still, I wouldn't want it cut from the album, because it's still Rush, and therefore = good.

I ordered my MP 5.1 blu-ray, and it will be getting here next week. I am excite. :caffeine:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 26, 2011, 07:17:23 AM
For me, after playing the crap out of the hit songs as a 13 year old I really appreciated Witch Hunt a few years later to the point of my brother(a bass player) and I jammed on it a thousand times in our basement.  There's something about that guitar riff.  I also loved how Alex added the solo at the end on the live versions of this song and the fact he changed the solo up tour to tour.

Vital Signs was a Favorite of my brothers(what bass player doesn't love the bass on that song).  What I loved it the fact that a band like Rush, could add a Reggae to their repertoire.  Only as I got older did I appreciate how Rush added styles of the time to their music.  How many bands do this?


ZBomber.  You are gonna,

(https://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/kingshmegland/inmypants.jpg)

When you hear the 5.1.
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Post by: ytserush on April 26, 2011, 06:29:28 PM
I can't even put into words how much better side two of Moving Pictures is than side one.

There is so much depth and texture in those last three songs that only "Red Barchetta" and "YYZ" even come close.....
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on April 26, 2011, 06:32:50 PM
I very rarely listen to Moving Pictures anymore, because I've overplayed side 1 so many times, and side 2 is OK but nothing I would go out of my way to listen to on it's own. It's also the first Rush album I heard/bought, so that only adds to me overplaying it.

But like Kings said, once I get the blu ray I will be smile in my pants and my appreciation for the album will be renewed.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 26, 2011, 06:34:11 PM
I prefer side two to side one, but it's certainly not a blowout. Though overplayed Tom Sawyer is a good song and the remaining three are all amazing songs, it's just that The Camera Eye, Witch Hunt, and Vital Signs, though not nearly as accessible are all better than the rest, save perhaps Limelight.  
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on April 26, 2011, 06:38:25 PM
Controversial opinion time:

I don't like Limelight. And I don't think I ever did. And it's not because it's popular or played a lot, I just legitimately dislike it. The solo is ok, but I don't think it's as great as people make it out to be, Lifeson surely has better ones (Cygnus X-1, La Villa, etc etc)

*dawns the flame shield*
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on April 26, 2011, 06:41:36 PM
Controversial opinion time:

I don't like Limelight. And I don't think I ever did. And it's not because it's popular or played a lot, I just legitimately dislike it. The solo is ok, but I don't think it's as great as people make it out to be, Lifeson surely has better ones (Cygnus X-1, La Villa, etc etc)

*dawns the flame shield*

DAMN!!!


I completely agree with you for pretty much those very same reasons.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 26, 2011, 06:58:07 PM
Controversial opinion time:

I don't like Limelight. And I don't think I ever did. And it's not because it's popular or played a lot, I just legitimately dislike it. The solo is ok, but I don't think it's as great as people make it out to be, Lifeson surely has better ones (Cygnus X-1, La Villa, etc etc)

*dawns the flame shield*

*Homer strangles Bart*

I love the solo!!!!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MetalManiac666 on April 26, 2011, 07:49:32 PM
Yeah, though I used to love Limelight, I now find it to be the weakest on the album by quite a bit.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on April 26, 2011, 08:59:57 PM
So I listened to Moving Pictures again today, and I thought about the deal with "Witch Hunt" and "Vital Signs".  From the comments here, I know I'm not alone in feeling something of a drop off after "The Camera Eye".  Not a huge one, but others have noted it.

What if Side Two had started with "Witch Hunt", then "Vital Signs", and closed with "The Camera Eye"?  The very nature of the LP as a medium meant that there would be a break after "Limelight", and honestly, I wouldn't change Side One at all.  But what if things built back up again with "Witch Hunt" and the album closed with the mini-epic of the album?  Somehow I think that that would've tied things together better.  Very few albums are 100% solid end to end, so if you have weaker tracks, if only by a little, isn't it best to "hide" them in the middle?  Start strong and finish strong, and spread things out in between and all that?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on April 26, 2011, 09:30:55 PM
Controversial opinion time:

I don't like Limelight. And I don't think I ever did. And it's not because it's popular or played a lot, I just legitimately dislike it. The solo is ok, but I don't think it's as great as people make it out to be, Lifeson surely has better ones (Cygnus X-1, La Villa, etc etc)

*dawns the flame shield*

Limelight is one of my favorite Rush songs of all time.  OF ALL TIME.

And to think I thought you were cool...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on April 26, 2011, 09:45:48 PM
I don't like the tone of the riff in Limelight but I love everything else in the song. Especially the lyrics.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jjrock88 on April 26, 2011, 10:15:25 PM
Limelight rules; one of the best guitar solo's ever
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on April 26, 2011, 10:21:34 PM
Limelight is one of my favorite Rush songs of all time.  OF ALL TIME.

And to think I thought you were cool...

LIAR




You never thought I was cool. :(
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on April 27, 2011, 07:17:30 AM
I'm thinking about extending my Rush concert DVD collection with Rush In Rio. Any thoughts about this one?

I already have Exit... Stage Left, Snakes And Arrows Live, and A Show Of Hands.
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Post by: KevShmev on April 27, 2011, 07:20:10 AM
I'm thinking about extending my Rush concert DVD collection with Rush In Rio. Any thoughts about this one?

I already have Exit... Stage Left, Snakes And Arrows Live, and A Show Of Hands.

Rio is probably their best overall live DVD, so definitely get it ASAP! :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on April 27, 2011, 07:20:59 AM
Thanks!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 27, 2011, 08:14:29 AM
I'm thinking about extending my Rush concert DVD collection with Rush In Rio. Any thoughts about this one?

I already have Exit... Stage Left, Snakes And Arrows Live, and A Show Of Hands.

Zy, the crowd interaction in the dvd is incredible.  Plus the extra's are great.  Behind the scene of the taping of that show.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on April 27, 2011, 09:03:30 AM
Great, I'll place an order tonight then I've just ordered it :tup
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ryzee on April 27, 2011, 01:00:22 PM
I feel the need to jump to the defense of Witch Hunt and Vital Signs, two songs that I love on an album that has no bad songs.  In fact....fuck it, I'll say it: if I had to pick a least favorite track on MP it would be "The Camera Eye."  Great song like every song on MP (and pretty much every Rush song for that matter), I've just never seen what the big deal about it is.  I love Witch Hunt, my favorite of the "Fear" series, and I've loved Vital Signs since the first time I heard it back when I was in junior high.  I love it so much that when I saw them on the Vapor Trails tour I was in line for a beer when I heard them launch into it and I decided to abandon my place in line and run back to my seat so as not to miss a second more than I already had.  And I was almost to the cashier and mighty thirsty too!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 27, 2011, 01:05:53 PM
Eh, it's tough being the least best or second least best song on an all-time great album full of nothing but great tunes.  Put "Witch Hunt" and "Vital Signs' on any album they have done since, and both would be a lot more revered that they already are.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Implode on May 03, 2011, 01:27:35 AM
Okay. So I looked though almost all the pages of this thread, and I never saw The Fountain of Lamneth mentioned once.

Am I weird to really enjoy this song?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on May 03, 2011, 01:56:18 AM
Okay. So I looked though almost all the pages of this thread, and I never saw The Fountain of Lamneth mentioned once.

Am I weird to really enjoy this song?
Not at all; I'd say it's easily among the best of their 70s material!  (On a similar note, am I weird for preferring The Caress of Steel over 2112?)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on May 03, 2011, 05:56:52 AM
Fountain of Lamneth was DEFINITELY discussed before. Might have been the thread before this one though.

I like Lamneth. It's not their strongest song, but some sections are amazing. And the spacing between the different sections  never bothered me like it does for some people, I just kind of see them as different mini-songs that tell a story and not one continuous epic. Almost like a mini concept album taking up one side of  a record, if you will.  :biggrin:

I think I also prefer CoS over 2112, as far as albums go. But I think I prefer 2112 to Lamneth.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on May 03, 2011, 06:43:05 AM
Ooh, I like that one a lot.  :)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Perpetual Change on May 03, 2011, 07:52:10 AM
Yeah, I don't like Witch Hunt at all either.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on May 03, 2011, 09:23:06 AM
What's the best of the 90's albums? I'm thinking Counterparts.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Dimitrius on May 03, 2011, 09:53:29 AM
What's the best of the 90's albums? I'm thinking Counterparts.
That or Roll the Bones.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 03, 2011, 09:58:59 AM
Counterparts, definitely.  It really isn't close. 

I like Roll the Bones a lot more than most, but it is still doesn't touch Counterparts.


Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on May 03, 2011, 12:15:03 PM
I'd take Roll the Bones over Counterparts by a hair.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on May 03, 2011, 12:15:47 PM
Counterparts is one of their best ever and is certainly their best from the 90s.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jjrock88 on May 03, 2011, 12:21:12 PM
What's the opinion of Test for Echo?  I really like it; can't decide if that or Counterparts would be my favorite from the 90's.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 03, 2011, 12:30:07 PM
Test for Echo has not aged well for me.  I mean, I like it, but it is probably my least favorite studio album of theirs.  It only has one or two songs that I listen to with any kind of regularity (when I go for Rush to listen to), and it has a few that I wouldn't care if I ever heard again, including the positively wretched "Time and Motion."  
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on May 03, 2011, 12:33:52 PM
Well Counterparts is my favorite Rush album overall, so I'd say it wins the 90's as well :lol

I like Test for Echo more than most people seem to.  It was the 1st album that was released after I became a fan, so I'm sure there is some bias there, but I still think it's a very strong album.  

And I love "Time and Motion."  
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on May 03, 2011, 03:14:54 PM
Counterparts hands down.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on May 03, 2011, 03:31:09 PM
I'd say Test and CParts are about =ly strong.  Both have their strong songs (Animate, Stick It Out,  Nobody's Hero, and Cold Fire of CP; title track, Driven, Time and Motion, and Resist of T4E; as well as the instrumentals) yet also have their share of weakish/bland efforts (Alien Shore, Under Sun and Moon, Speed of Love of CP; and Half The World, Dog Years, and Virtuality of T4E).  The rest between the two are about equally good, if not particularly great.

Overall, they're both good, if not great albums which are generally outstanding at best and bland at worst.  Far better than Power Windows and Hold Your Fire, and most definitely superior to Roll The Bones.  I say that Vapor Trails is probably their best since GUP, though.  (Can't comment on S&A, though; I do not have that one)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on May 03, 2011, 04:05:00 PM
Snakes and Arrows is my favorite album of all-time. You should check it out.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on May 03, 2011, 04:29:31 PM
I say that Vapor Trails is probably their best since GUP, though. 

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Z7M0-i0zoT4/TcCBhIxhupI/AAAAAAAAAIM/lZbc914miMw/s1600/rushwutindex.png)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on May 03, 2011, 04:35:36 PM
Alex's expression makes that photo work :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nekov on May 03, 2011, 04:42:53 PM
What's the best of the 90's albums? I'm thinking Counterparts.

I'll go with Roll the bones over Counterparts, but a very close match.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on May 03, 2011, 04:48:08 PM
Alex's expression makes that photo work :lol
I also think Geddy's is appropriate.  He's like sizing you up: "I'm not so sure about this guy."
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on May 04, 2011, 07:39:22 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!  A MUST WATCH!!!!!!!!!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtJZesEWNzc&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on May 04, 2011, 07:42:22 AM
haha WTF :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on May 04, 2011, 07:44:44 AM
 :lol


As for the 90s albums, my favorite is also Roll The Bones. Not too big on Counterparts or T4E.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on May 04, 2011, 07:46:35 AM
I watched, I laughed, I feel better about life in general.

 :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on May 04, 2011, 07:50:04 AM
You know how far Rush has come in being accepted when Polka is involved. :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on May 05, 2011, 01:39:52 AM
I can't stop watching this video. I can't get through it without laughing my ass off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iomrYZ_AAXc&feature=fvsr
 
:rollin
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jsem on May 05, 2011, 04:44:30 AM

I say that Vapor Trails is probably their best since GUP, though. 
I agree, if it weren't for the sheer epicness of Snakes & Arrows.


I CANNOT WAIT. 31 HOURS LEFT TIL RUSH
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on May 05, 2011, 05:51:46 AM

I say that Vapor Trails is probably their best since GUP, though. 
I agree, if it weren't for the sheer epicness of Snakes & Arrows.


I CANNOT WAIT. 31 HOURS LEFT TIL RUSH
Snakes And Arrows, epic??? That album is probably the weakest album Rush has ever made. Besides a couple of good songs its mostly mid tempo filler.
I love Vapor Trails! Its light years better then Snakes And Arrows, imo.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on May 05, 2011, 08:08:23 AM
Wat?  Snakes and Arrows is almost nothing but gold.  Miles better than RtB, HYF, Presto, T4E, CoS, and VT and on par with albums like FBN, GUP, s/t, and Hemispheres.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on May 05, 2011, 08:11:13 AM
Snakes and Arrows is a great album. Has some duds like most of the later Rush albums, but I still would say it's their best release since....Presto, maybe even since Power Windows.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on May 05, 2011, 08:19:07 AM
I love the sound of S & A but I do love the emotion and urgency of VT.  I hope the new album has both with a stripped down sound.  less layering on Alex's part.  The first 2 song's seem to be just that.
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Post by: Nekov on May 05, 2011, 09:21:48 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!  A MUST WATCH!!!!!!!!!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtJZesEWNzc&feature=player_embedded

Hahahahahaha. Man, i love Rush fans
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on May 05, 2011, 11:27:23 AM
and "Tom Sawyer".
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on May 05, 2011, 12:01:04 PM
A quick question: Has a live version of The Camera Eye ever been officially released? Can't find it on any of their concert DVDs or live albums. Maybe they haven't performed it that much since 1981.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on May 05, 2011, 12:05:53 PM
A quick question: Has a live version of The Camera Eye ever been officially released? Can't find it on any of their concert DVDs or live albums. Maybe they haven't performed it that much since 1981.

No it hasn't.  That makes the new DVD/Blu Ray worth buying.  Plus the live version of Presto.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Quadrochosis on May 05, 2011, 12:16:56 PM
Snakes And Arrows, epic??? That album is probably the weakest album Rush has ever made. Besides a couple of good songs its mostly mid tempo filler.
I love Vapor Trails! Its light years better then Snakes And Arrows, imo.

No, VT is easily the weakest Rush album.

That being said, I'm perfectly OK with a band releasing ONE bad album considering the fact that they have like 17.

Also, they were going through a ton of shit around that time, hadn't played together in like five years, etc. Perfectly understandable why VT came out the way it did.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on May 05, 2011, 12:19:46 PM
Vapor trails is one of my favorites, so many great songs. We're still waiting for the remastered version so that we can enjoy the songs even more, though.  :)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on May 05, 2011, 12:20:10 PM
The sub-par song-writing on Vapor Trails is certainly forgivable given the circumstances, but there is NO excuse for how that album sounds. For the time and money a band like Rush put into that album it is absolutely mind-blowing that at the end of it all an album could come out that sounds that bad. There are very few instances were I will come straight out and unequivocally blame Rush for something but it's there record and the way Vapor Trails sounds is one of the worst mistakes in their entire career.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on May 05, 2011, 12:21:58 PM
The sub-par song-writing on Vapor Trails is certainly forgivable given the circumstances, but there is NO excuse for how that album sounds. For the time and money a band like Rush put into that album it is absolutely mind-blowing that at the end of it all an album could come out that sounds that bad. There are very few instances were I will come straight out and unequivocally blame Rush for something but it's there record and the way Vapor Trails sounds is one of the worst mistakes in their entire career.

I agree completely with this. I can't enjoy the album at all because of how bad it is.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on May 05, 2011, 12:23:25 PM
And before anyone comes out and says "I don't see what's so bad about Vapor Trails", listen to what I made below and tell me what sticks out to you...

www.wpapu.com/sounds/rushgasm.mp3
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on May 05, 2011, 01:21:34 PM
You know, I knew Vapor Trails was bad, and a major casualty in the loudness war, but I just never realized how bad until you juxtapose it with any other Rush album like you did in that clip, even the modern-day ones.  :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on May 05, 2011, 01:28:53 PM
Sound yes.  No solo's, yes, but I still love the rawness and the emotion of VT and wished it was recorded differently.  I think we all know how the band feels about it too.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on May 05, 2011, 02:23:27 PM
I kinda like the songs on Vapor Trails, too.  High energy, different direction.  I don't care if there aren't guitar solos.  But the sound is absolutely crap. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on May 05, 2011, 02:27:23 PM
Got my MP blu-ray. Is the CD a new mix, and if so, how different is it from the last remaster?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on May 05, 2011, 02:35:57 PM
Got my MP blu-ray. Is the CD a new mix, and if so, how different is it from the last remaster?

It is digitally remastered but I haven't A/B it yet.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on May 05, 2011, 02:39:59 PM
And before anyone comes out and says "I don't see what's so bad about Vapor Trails", listen to what I made below and tell me what sticks out to you...

www.wpapu.com/sounds/rushgasm.mp3
Oh my God, I literally shuddered when I heard One little victory in there. We actually have the remixed version of that particular song, why didn't you put that in?  :lol Still an incredible riff that kicks some serious ass, though.  :metal

EDIT: Actually, what the clip did for me was make me realize how much I love Rush and why.  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on May 05, 2011, 02:46:44 PM
Check this out boys and girls.


https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2011/05/05/2608/Excerpts-from-Classic-Rocks-Prog-magazine-Rush-feature
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on May 05, 2011, 02:52:28 PM
I'd take Roll the Bones over Counterparts by a hair.

Like Counterparts but love RTB.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on May 05, 2011, 02:52:51 PM
Ha ha, I love that cover!

(https://www.rushisaband.com/images/201104/1884.f.jpg)
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Post by: contest_sanity on May 05, 2011, 03:10:33 PM
... "We're going in a conceptual direction on this record, for sure," says Lee. "We started with a 10-minute song idea that then turned into a concept and it's feeding off itself. It's like that question that Steven Colbert asked us in the movie. Are your songs so long that by the end you're influencing yourself? I think we're doing that now. We're like a feedback loop, influencing ourselves now. We're spending so much time on this concept. It's been fun, because we haven't gone down that road in a while. Let's see if we can pull it off!" ... "It's not just the fans! We're hoping for another great Rush album ourselves!" ...

We So Excited!!!

:friday::friday::friday::friday::friday::friday::friday::friday::friday::friday::friday::friday::friday:

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: SystematicThought on May 05, 2011, 04:04:22 PM
Can I just say that the snare on Snakes and Arrows is absolutely fantastic
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jsem on May 05, 2011, 04:06:12 PM
I have high hopes for this record. Going to be epic.

ALSO CONCERT IN LESS THAN 24 HRS

:mangini: :mangini: :mangini: :mangini: :mangini: :mangini: :mangini: :mangini: :mangini: :mangini: :mangini:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on May 05, 2011, 07:27:08 PM
Snakes And Arrows, epic??? That album is probably the weakest album Rush has ever made. Besides a couple of good songs its mostly mid tempo filler.
I love Vapor Trails! Its light years better then Snakes And Arrows, imo.

No, VT is easily the weakest Rush album.

That being said, I'm perfectly OK with a band releasing ONE bad album considering the fact that they have like 17.

Also, they were going through a ton of shit around that time, hadn't played together in like five years, etc. Perfectly understandable why VT came out the way it did.
To each his own. I love Vapor Trails while I don't care for Snakes And Arrows.
But then again, I am in the minority who thinks SC is better the BCSL.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 05, 2011, 11:00:10 PM
VT definitely sounds crappy overall, but some of the best songs benefit from the loudness, as it gives them more of an edginess.  The remixed or whatever version of "Earthshine" that they released a few years back had a lot of the life sucked out of it.  So, while VT has a handful of songs that are pretty pedestrian to the point where I don't care if I ever hear them again, there are a bunch of songs that I love/like a lot, and I can expect how they sound, warts and all.

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on May 05, 2011, 11:03:50 PM
The problem with the version of Earthshine you're talking about is that the problem with the album wasn't one with the mix/mastering, it was mainly with the recording. In order to make it sound better in the remix/master they basically had to take away the energy of the song. If they completely redid the song right it could have the best of both worlds.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on May 05, 2011, 11:05:43 PM
VT definitely sounds crappy overall, but some of the best songs benefit from the loudness, as it gives them more of an edginess.  The remixed or whatever version of "Earthshine" that they released a few years back had a lot of the life sucked out of it.  So, while VT has a handful of songs that are pretty pedestrian to the point where I don't care if I ever hear them again, there are a bunch of songs that I love/like a lot, and I can expect how they sound, warts and all.



I don't get the logic of "clipping gives a song punch". I don't think it does. At all. It just makes it hard for me to listen to, and even harder to blast because it sounds so horrible.

There are plenty of songs that have more balls than VT and they aren't victims of the loudness war.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on May 06, 2011, 05:52:20 AM
There are a couple of songs on Vapor Trails that I can live without while in my opinion, about half of Snakes And Arrows is pretty much crap.

Songs I can do without would include...
"Faithless"    "Bravest Face"     "Good News First"  "The Larger Bowl"  "We Hold On"  "Working Them Angels"

I just don't like S&A much. Weak songs.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jsem on May 06, 2011, 05:59:01 AM
Rush concert in 5 ½ hrs.. that means blasting Moving Pictures until I have to go.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on May 06, 2011, 05:59:54 AM
Rush concert in 5 ½ hrs.. that means blasting Moving Pictures until I have to go.

Man I'm so jealous right now. Have fun!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jsem on May 06, 2011, 06:00:31 AM
Rush concert in 5 ½ hrs.. that means blasting Moving Pictures until I have to go.

Man I'm so jealous right now. Have fun!
You should've bought tickets man  :-\
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on May 06, 2011, 06:06:59 AM
Rush concert in 5 ½ hrs.. that means blasting Moving Pictures until I have to go.

Man I'm so jealous right now. Have fun!
You should've bought tickets man  :-\

Yeah I know, couldn't afford it at the time :-\
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on May 06, 2011, 06:07:15 AM
Report back jsem on everything!!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on May 06, 2011, 08:49:17 AM
There are a couple of songs on Vapor Trails that I can live without while in my opinion, about half of Snakes And Arrows is pretty much crap.

Songs I can do without would include...
"Faithless"    "Bravest Face"     "Good News First"  "The Larger Bowl"  "We Hold On"  "Working Them Angels"

I just don't like S&A much. Weak songs.

But... you're wrong
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on May 06, 2011, 08:56:07 AM
There are a couple of songs on Vapor Trails that I can live without while in my opinion, about half of Snakes And Arrows is pretty much crap.

Songs I can do without would include...
"Faithless"    "Bravest Face"     "Good News First"  "The Larger Bowl"  "We Hold On"  "Working Them Angels"

I just don't like S&A much. Weak songs.

But... you're wrong
You fixed my wagon.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 06, 2011, 08:59:50 AM
VT definitely sounds crappy overall, but some of the best songs benefit from the loudness, as it gives them more of an edginess.  The remixed or whatever version of "Earthshine" that they released a few years back had a lot of the life sucked out of it.  So, while VT has a handful of songs that are pretty pedestrian to the point where I don't care if I ever hear them again, there are a bunch of songs that I love/like a lot, and I can expect how they sound, warts and all.



I don't get the logic of "clipping gives a song punch". I don't think it does. At all. It just makes it hard for me to listen to, and even harder to blast because it sounds so horrible.

There are plenty of songs that have more balls than VT and they aren't victims of the loudness war.

Good thing I didn't specifically say that "clipping gives a song punch" then, eh? ;) 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on May 06, 2011, 09:04:27 AM
VT definitely sounds crappy overall, but some of the best songs benefit from the loudness, as it gives them more of an edginess.  The remixed or whatever version of "Earthshine" that they released a few years back had a lot of the life sucked out of it.  So, while VT has a handful of songs that are pretty pedestrian to the point where I don't care if I ever hear them again, there are a bunch of songs that I love/like a lot, and I can expect how they sound, warts and all.



I don't get the logic of "clipping gives a song punch". I don't think it does. At all. It just makes it hard for me to listen to, and even harder to blast because it sounds so horrible.

There are plenty of songs that have more balls than VT and they aren't victims of the loudness war.

Good thing I didn't specifically say that "clipping gives a song punch" then, eh? ;) 

I know, and I'm sorry if it seemed like I was putting words in your mouth, but I've seen this argument a few times before, and even posted here (I think in the PT thread). I just don't understand it at all.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 06, 2011, 09:08:28 AM
No, it's all good. :)  I can see why my post might have implied that I thought that, but, no, I just mean that some of the songs benefit by having that loud edginess to it.  For example, I like the production and sound of S&A, but a song like "Freeze" would lose a lot of its punch with that kind of production.  Sure, it would still rock, but it would lose some of that extra oomph that the VT sound gives it, which is why I except it as is, warts and all.  The more average songs aren't as listenable, so therefore the clipping and loudness stands out more, and definitely in a negative way.  I mean, I have no idea what they were trying to do with the verses of "The Stars Look Down." :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Kosmo on May 06, 2011, 10:20:18 AM
So the show in Finland was pretty cool. They played Moving Pictures all the way through and newer stuff too. And some other shit. But Moving Pictures is the best. Yes.
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Post by: jsem on May 06, 2011, 04:23:11 PM
WOAH! Epic show.

Highlights, apart from Moving Picture in its entirety, was Temple of Syrinx part of 2112... and the encore including La Villa Strangiato.

Seriously. I couldn't believe it when I heard the 2112 space sounds. I mangini'd instantly.

 :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ultimetalhead on May 06, 2011, 04:25:01 PM
Even after seeing them twice on this tour, I still have this burning desire to see them yet again. They're amazing performers.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on May 06, 2011, 04:25:28 PM
Sounds awesome :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jsem on May 06, 2011, 04:26:08 PM
Sounds awesome :hefdaddy
You shoulda been there.  :-[
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on May 06, 2011, 04:29:01 PM
I should have :-\
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jsem on May 06, 2011, 04:31:43 PM
Take the train to Malmö now and see them in 2 days. It'll be well worth it lol.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on May 06, 2011, 07:49:08 PM
And then there's me who adores Vapor Trails (sound issues aside) and Snakes and Arrows just about equally....



Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterLomaxus on May 06, 2011, 09:29:09 PM
And then there's me who adores Vapor Trails (sound issues aside) and Snakes and Arrows just about equally....





I'm pretty much in the same boat.  Of course, I may just like them due to the nostalgic effect they have on me.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on May 07, 2011, 06:40:06 AM
Sounds awesome :hefdaddy
You shoulda been there.  :-[

Yesterday's show got a 4 out of 5 today:

https://www.expressen.se/noje/musik/1.2428114/rush-konsert-ett-blytungt-maraton
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on May 13, 2011, 02:26:15 PM
I just listened to the awesomeness that is Test for Echo last night. There's still some great songs from that album that never got played live.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 13, 2011, 02:38:38 PM
Of the four TFE songs that have never been played, "Totem" is the one I am surprised about.  They were pretty high on it in pre-release interviews at the time, and I was shocked when it didn't make the set list on the TFE tour.  And the album has all but been ignored since they got back together (except for "Driven" on the VT tour and the acoustic "Resist" on two tours), so the odds of it ever getting played are probably pretty slim.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on May 13, 2011, 03:02:47 PM
Totem and Carve Away The Stone for me.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on May 13, 2011, 03:40:44 PM
Of the four TFE songs that have never been played, "Totem" is the one I am surprised about.  They were pretty high on it in pre-release interviews at the time, and I was shocked when it didn't make the set list on the TFE tour.  And the album has all but been ignored since they got back together (except for "Driven" on the VT tour and the acoustic "Resist" on two tours), so the odds of it ever getting played are probably pretty slim.

Do you remember which pre-release interviews that may have mentioned that.  I don't remember many references to to "Totem" (Actually, now I'm sort of recalling they may have mentioned "Totem" in Dan Neer's Up Close Interview) and I'd like to revisit a few interviews to recall the feel that they had for Test For Echo when it was brand new.

But you're right. I wouldn't go holding my breath to hear something from that album although stranger things have happened over the last several tours.

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on May 13, 2011, 03:44:34 PM
I remember hearing that on the world premiere on the radio back in the day when I would stay up all night just to record it on cassette.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 13, 2011, 03:46:23 PM
There used to be a show called Rockline on radio stations, and KSHE-95 here in St. Louis always played it.  Rush usually did Rockline before each album release, and it was usually a two-hour thing where each new song would be played, with interviews with the band before and after each song.  For TFE, I remember all three guys interviewed individually instead of all of them the whole time.  Geddy did the first 1/3, Alex the middle 1/3 and Neil the last 1/3.  I remember taping both the CP and TFE Rockline shows on cassette back then so I could listen to the songs before the CD was released. :lol  Funny thing, too, is the songs were never played in order during the Rockline show, so I'd be used to them in a specific order, and then have to get used to the "normal" running order once I got the real CD, so that was kind of cool. :coolio

Edit: looks like kingshmegland did the same thing! :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on May 13, 2011, 03:48:51 PM
Isn't Rockline still on?  I loved Monday nights but as I got older and had to work for a living it was harder to stay up.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 13, 2011, 03:50:00 PM
I am pretty sure it is still around, but I think KSHE here stopped playing it years ago.

And looking it up on wikipedia just now, looks like Rush is the artist who has appeared on Rockline the most (one appearance behind Ozzy Osbourne).
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on May 13, 2011, 03:57:52 PM
Oh...Rockline...
No working tape players around at the moment.

I taped all of the Rocklines going back to 1985 (which I only got part of) through to about 2005 or so.

I never liked too many of the questions that were allowed through on Rockline. Although there were some great moments, I never learned much from those shows.

It was nice to hear voices back then in the pre-Internet age. I was on hold for most of one of those shows in the 1990s but I never got through.


Yet one more example that I REALLY need to upgrade my tape collection...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on May 13, 2011, 04:24:49 PM
Rockline was great!  Wasn't the host named Red Beard?  That's what it sounded like, or maybe I'm thinking of another show.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The King in Crimson on May 13, 2011, 08:01:34 PM
Isn't Rockline still on? 
Yeah, it's still on. I catch it, very rarely, when I'm driving home from work late on Mondays.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on May 13, 2011, 08:02:38 PM
Jamming to Signals right now. :hat
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on May 13, 2011, 09:27:17 PM
2nd favorite album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on May 14, 2011, 09:20:21 AM
1st favorite album.  Perm W. and Grace aren't too far behind, and Moving Pictures would be in my top 3, had side 2 had more Limelight-like singles instead of The Camera Eye.  Must say, those 4 albums are one of the best creative winning streaks out there.   

Can't say I'm as big on the 70s stuff as many are; I love the Caress of Steel and A Farewell to K., but the rest, I merely enjoy.  (Still, there is a lot to be enjoyed on 2112 and H.)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on May 14, 2011, 09:49:43 AM
I just listened to the awesomeness that is Test for Echo last night. There's still some great songs from that album that never got played live.

Still can't get into this album. Nothing stands out and the lyrics didn't do anything for me for once. And it's been downhill from there. not a patch on Counterparts or even Presto. Each to their own of course.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on May 14, 2011, 03:51:06 PM
I like Test For Echo musically, but some of the lyrics are just so bad. Rarely can lyrics ruin for me a song I like musically, but there are a few tracks on TFE that come close (Virtuality comes to mind).
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on May 14, 2011, 03:53:01 PM
I like the music on Virtuality more than the other tracks but the lyrics are dreadful.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 14, 2011, 11:39:58 PM
The lyrics in "Dog Years" is where it's at. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: WildeSilas on May 15, 2011, 12:44:27 AM
I'm kinda new around here, but seeing so much love for Test For Echo makes me think I'll fit in just fine.  ;D

The thing about TFE is that it's after Neil took drum lessons from Freddie Gruber. As a drummer, I was in awe of the changes it made in his playing - you rarely get to hear someone that accomplished add new things and modify their playing to improve themselves. I like Counterparts better, but I see them as a one-two punch and they really helped me not only get into Rush, but prog music in general (beyond DT - which I just thought was a metal band until I started hearing about their prog influences - Rush being primary). I went from Rush to Yes, and outward from there. But Counterparts and TFE were Rush's heaviest albums at the time (pre-Vapor Trails) and it just hit me at the right time.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: SystematicThought on May 16, 2011, 07:46:08 AM
I always think Lakeside Park is gonna turn into A Passage to Bangkok. They kind of sound similar
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on May 17, 2011, 01:41:43 PM
You know, I wasn't planning on buying a ticket to the Greenville show in June.  But you know what?  I listened to the beginning of the first time Machine set (I skipped a few songs I listened to this morning) and when I got to Marathon I convinced myself I needed to see the setlist again.  If my car breaks down to a venue fifteen minutes away then heaven must be conspiring against me.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on May 17, 2011, 02:33:26 PM
It's worth it just for Marathon. That's why I went again
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on May 17, 2011, 02:44:54 PM
Seeing them next week!
TOO EXCITED FOR WORDS!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: mizzl on May 17, 2011, 03:51:36 PM
Seeing them next week!
TOO EXCITED FOR WORDS!
Yea i know, I'm dreaming aboot it too my friend
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on May 18, 2011, 11:29:50 AM
I like Counterparts better, but I see them as a one-two punch

This is true for me as well. I actually discovered TFE before CP, and basically thought 'I really like this, but if only there were an album with a similar feel, except with better lyrics'. Then I discovered CP, which is now one of my favorite Rush albums.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Curious Orange on May 20, 2011, 06:55:54 AM
Five days to go till the O2 show! Whoo! Can't wait!  :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on May 20, 2011, 07:25:35 AM
I'm glad to see that they could fill that stadium out or at least play in there.  I can't believe how popular they've become this late into their career.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on May 20, 2011, 04:38:16 PM
Was at a few record stores around town today (as in, actual vinyl records). I think it's a rule or something that they all have to have Signals, A Show Of Hands, and Hold Your Fire. Only one of the stores had anything by Rush that wasn't one of those (Caress of Steel, Grace Under Pressure (which I bought), and Power Windows).

I suppose few people are going to sell their copies of 2112 and Hemispheres, and if anyone does, they probably go pretty quickly.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on May 20, 2011, 05:03:36 PM
I think it's just a matter of when the albums came out.  Most people who owned Rush on vinyl had been following them since the 70's, and when Rush got into the synths in the 80's, it didn't work for everyone.  So those are the ones which tend to show up as used vinyl.  People who got into Rush in the 80's, at least as long as vinyl was still around, still have theirs for the most part.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 20, 2011, 11:10:19 PM
A friend of a friend who still owns most of the old Rush stuff on vinyl has downloaded almost all of that stuff instead of buying the CDs.  His logic is that he shouldn't have to pay for an album more than once, and since the record company and band already got his money when he bought the vinyls back in the day, why should he pay again just to get them on CD?  Hard to argue with that, no?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on May 21, 2011, 03:28:34 AM
I agree completely.  Although, would that same logic fly with films, like, if I pay to watch it in the theater, why should I pay again to buy the DVD?  Not that I really have a problem with that either.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on May 21, 2011, 07:47:21 AM
Well, movies are different.  You paid once to see it once, then you pay the price of seeing it once in theaters to watch it whenever you want.

I do wish more Rush fans let go of their LPs though.  Good condition used Rush vinyl is so hard to come by here!  Heck, I only started getting into it because a shop had a used copy of Power Windows and AFTK.  It was like, 7 months before I found copies of the s/t and Exit Stage Left.  Haven't seen anything since.  If I could just find Moving Pictures I'd have my holy trinity and I'd be happy.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on May 21, 2011, 08:16:28 AM
Sorry.  None of you can have any of my LP's.  Like my 10" red vinyl, Red Sector A album or my New World Man 45 with Vital Signs live from the Moving Pictures tour. :P
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on May 23, 2011, 12:54:16 PM
Alex Lifeson has a new job as a doctor! :lol  I just love his prescriptions. :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfUbHN9Mk4A&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on May 23, 2011, 12:57:42 PM
haha, gotta love Alex :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on May 23, 2011, 01:08:41 PM
XD @ the vid

I'm seeing them on friday you guys and im PSYCHED!!!!!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on May 23, 2011, 03:14:17 PM
Got all the vinyl up to PW, then it was cd from then on since they told us how much better everything would sound...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on May 23, 2011, 10:17:47 PM
Rockline was great!  Wasn't the host named Red Beard?  That's what it sounded like, or maybe I'm thinking of another show.

Rockline was/is Jim Coburn.

Red Beard is the guy behind the In The Studio Show.

Rockline is usually live, or at least it was. 

In The Studio is/was recorded. (The more recent album anniversary shows use older canned quotes from previous shows -- at least that's the case with the Rush shows that I have).






As far as vinyl:

I will part with some extra Rush vinyl. I pretyty sure I still have copies of 2112, Hemispheres and a bunch of other too.

You can find them and more in this thread:
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=848.105
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on May 24, 2011, 07:59:03 AM
Rockline was great!  Wasn't the host named Red Beard?  That's what it sounded like, or maybe I'm thinking of another show.

Rockline was/is Jim Coburn.

Red Beard is the guy behind the In The Studio Show.

Rockline is usually live, or at least it was. 

In The Studio is/was recorded. (The more recent album anniversary shows use older canned quotes from previous shows -- at least that's the case with the Rush shows that I have).

Ah yes.  I used to listen to both of those shows whenever I could catch them, and they kinda blurred together in my foggy memory.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on May 24, 2011, 09:28:42 AM
Happy 24th of May :3

Even though Victoria Day was yesterday lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on May 24, 2011, 10:01:43 AM
Everyone would gather on the 24th of May
Sitting on the sand to watch the fireworks display
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: LTE3 on May 24, 2011, 11:48:29 AM
Everyone would gather on the 24th of May
Sitting on the sand to watch the fireworks display


 ;D Love that song, can we hear it live ever again. What about Before and After has that ever been played live?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: cyberdrummer on May 25, 2011, 02:55:31 AM
Seeing them in London tonight. Cannot wait.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on May 25, 2011, 11:31:03 AM
Wish I was going but I decided to make a stand on the stupid ticket prices. Power to the people!!!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Curious Orange on May 26, 2011, 03:00:19 AM
The stupid ticket prices were only the start - £3.80 for a small coke! £4 for a hot-dog! I felt like I'd been mugged. A guy ran after me shouting "Sir! Come Back! You've still got 20p left in your pocket!"

Rush - F*cking amazing. Favourite part? All of it! Alex's fat suit, the "moving pitchers" gag, the "wrong instruments" video, the drum solo, Marathon, Subdivisions, Time Stand Still, 2112 - the list goes on!

The O2 arena - totally the wrong venue. Acoustically awful and wa-a-a-a-ay too big for a rock gig. Perfect for Barry Manilow or Cliff Richard fans, all wrong for rock. Those poor people up in level 4 - they were practically in another county!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on May 26, 2011, 08:43:07 AM
Check out this band, David Barrett Trio that was produced by Alex Lifeson and recorded in his studio!!  It's unreal!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTxG_NtjR6U&feature=player_embedded

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Quadrochosis on May 26, 2011, 09:47:46 AM
Suddenly! A ranking appears!

1. Power Windows
2. Hemispheres
3. A Farewell to Kings
4. Counterparts
5. Signals
6. Permanent Waves
7. Snakes & Arrows
8. Grace Under Pressure
9. Caress of Steel
10. 2112
11. Moving Pictures
12. Test for Echo
13. Rush
14. Hold Your Fire
15. Roll the Bones
16. Presto
17. Fly By Night
18. Vapor Trails
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on May 26, 2011, 10:01:44 AM
Always great to see Power windows at the top.  :tup

Always sad to see Vapor trails at the bottom, though...  :sad:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on May 26, 2011, 11:14:43 AM
Why? That is right where it belongs.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on May 26, 2011, 11:45:32 AM
Always great to see Power windows at the top.  :tup
You definitely wouldn't want to see my list then.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Curious Orange on May 27, 2011, 05:06:54 AM
Vapor Trails is sonically awful because of the well-documented "loudness wars" compression, clipping and mastering issues. But it's some of Rush's best music. Peaceable Kingdom, One Little Victory, How it Is and Secret Touch are four of the best songs in the bands career - period, and the rest of it is stonkingly good too. It's just a shame the flipping thing gives me a headache every time I listen to it. Wait till the long-promised remaster comes out - if the audio issues are solved, you'll all be claiming it's the best Rush album ever.

I love Hold Your Fire (the only Rush album where the remaster is actually worse than the original CD), Presto (Superconductor, The Pass, Scars, Chain Lightning, Show Don't Tell, Hand Over Fist - how can you not love an album with so may great songs on it?) and Roll the Bones. To put them that far down the list shows that you, sir, are an idiot.

I tried to rank them in order, but I just can't compare the newer stuff to the older stuff. Is Counterparts better or worse than 2112? I just can't do it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jonny108 on May 27, 2011, 05:17:27 AM
Ooo, I like rankings.  I haven't done a Rush one yet.

1. Moving Pictures
2. A Farewell to Kings
3. 2112
4. Hemispheres
5. Caress of Steel
6. Permanent Waves
7. Snakes and Arrows
8. Counterparts
9. Roll the Bones
10. Fly By Night
11. Power Windows
12. Vapor Trails
13. Presto
14. Signals
15. Hold Your Fire
16. Rush
17. Grace Under Pressure
18 Test for Echo
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on May 27, 2011, 06:15:21 AM
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/Three-Things-All-LinkedIn-nytimes-2491458063.html?x=0&.v=1

Quote
Post a photo - A few years ago, people who posted photos of themselves to the Internet seemed self centered. In the Facebook, era, though, an account page without a picture seems like the work of someone who didn't put much effort into it. It doesn't need to be a professional headshot. Just stand against a white wall in business attire (or, if you're a software engineer, a Rush t-shirt) and have someone take a cellphone photo of your face and shoulders.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on May 27, 2011, 09:53:17 AM
Somewhere I have a Moving Pictures T-Shirt.  Old, tattered and faded, because I actually got it at the concert.  I don't think I'll use it for my LinkedIn head shot.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on May 27, 2011, 10:34:25 AM
Suddenly! A ranking appears!

1. Power Windows
2. Hemispheres
3. A Farewell to Kings
4. Counterparts
5. Signals
6. Permanent Waves
7. Snakes & Arrows
8. Grace Under Pressure
9. Caress of Steel
10. 2112
11. Moving Pictures
12. Test for Echo
13. Rush
14. Hold Your Fire
15. Roll the Bones
16. Presto
17. Fly By Night
18. Vapor Trails

Fly by Night is too low


I can see what you mean, it just takes me longer. And I can feel what you feel, it just makes you stronger. Well you can take me for a little while. You can take me you can make me smile in the end

:metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on May 27, 2011, 03:47:49 PM
 :omg: :omg: :omg:


https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2011/05/27/2663/Neil-Peart-to-appear-on-Late-Show-with-David-Letterman
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on May 27, 2011, 04:24:29 PM
That's...out of character for Neil to do. But really cool if it's true.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nighthawkwill7 on May 27, 2011, 04:38:39 PM
:omg: :omg: :omg:


https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2011/05/27/2663/Neil-Peart-to-appear-on-Late-Show-with-David-Letterman

I always figured him to be the shy & reserved type. Cool news nonetheless.  :millahhhh
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: tjanuranus on May 27, 2011, 04:52:44 PM
surprised to see Test for Echo so low on some lists. I like that album. What is it that makes it worse than most of the other albums?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on May 27, 2011, 05:01:28 PM
Test for Echo is the only Rush album that I'm completely unfamiliar with...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 27, 2011, 10:49:10 PM
surprised to see Test for Echo so low on some lists. I like that album. What is it that makes it worse than most of the other albums?

Two main reasons:

1. Some of the songwriting is very bland.
2. It is probably Neil Peart's weakest lyrical effort (from an entire album standpoint) to date.  And he is my all-time favorite lyricist.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on May 28, 2011, 12:23:07 AM
Dog Years

End of story :P

Half the World, Resist and Driven are the only standout tracks to me
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on May 28, 2011, 03:18:35 AM
I like Virtuality, very catchy. Never got all the hate.  :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on May 28, 2011, 04:22:13 AM
surprised to see Test for Echo so low on some lists. I like that album. What is it that makes it worse than most of the other albums?

It would be low for me too, with VT and S&A. Rush post Counterparts hasn't done it for me. The vocal melodies are the problem- I know the songs were written music first, vocal melodies last, but with these albums it sounds like it. The songs are all same-y. The instrumentation lacks variety in sounds and they are missing the keyboards. Just my opinion of course.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: D_Halco on May 28, 2011, 04:55:47 AM
You really think there is any song off Vapor Trails that sounds like any other song off the same album? I  I will admit that Sweet Miracle has the same kind of feel that Half The World (Off Test For Echo) does, but that's really about it. Every song off Vapor Trails has a distinct flow apart from one another, and I find the instrumental coloring and orchestration to be immensely varied and interesting, while still keeping within a rock aesthetic.

Test For Echo maybe...Totem and Dog Years sound vaguely same-ish, but that's about it.

Snakes and Arrows maybe...haven't listened to it in a long time, I remember the second half (after Main Monkey Business) kind of blending into one mediocre tune after another, with the exception of Malignant Narcississm and maybe Hope.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on May 28, 2011, 02:56:42 PM
I like Virtuality, very catchy. Never got all the hate.  :metal
The music in Virtuality is fantastic, but the lyrics are terrible.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: tri.ad on May 28, 2011, 03:06:20 PM
I guess I must be the only one who really digs the title track on TFE. Definitely my favourite song on the album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on May 28, 2011, 03:21:11 PM
The title track, Driven, and Resist are the only good things about T4E. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on May 28, 2011, 03:44:15 PM
The title track, Driven, and Resist are the only good things about T4E. 

I suppose the band share your sentiment as those have been the only TFE songs they have played in the last decade.

I would like to see them bring out an odd track or two from TFE on the next tour, as well as a couple unplayed tracks from VT. Those two albums got under-represented on their tours, particularly VT, so it'd be nice if they revisited those albums with deeper cuts.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 28, 2011, 04:04:51 PM
Resist acoustic is the best thing they've done, and how it should've been on the album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on May 28, 2011, 04:41:00 PM
The title track, Driven, and Resist are the only good things about T4E. 
Totem is a song I'd like to see them do live and I like Carve Away The Stone as well.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 28, 2011, 07:54:44 PM
I would like to see them bring out an odd track or two from TFE on the next tour, as well as a couple unplayed tracks from VT. Those two albums got under-represented on their tours, particularly VT, so it'd be nice if they revisited those albums with deeper cuts.

 ???  Test for Echo wasn't underrepresented on its tour.  Seven songs got played from it, six of them regularly ("Time and Motion" was dropped very early on, thank God!).  So, when you consider that six of the 11 songs were regularly played, that is the same percentage as Counterparts, and more than either Presto or Roll the Bones saw, on their respective tours.

I agree that VT was a bit underrepresented (only five of 13 played, with only four played per show - "Ghost Rider" and "Ceiling Unlimited" were rotated), but they have said that some of the songs were too meaty and buried in overdubs to pull off well live, and I am guessing they recognize how flawed some of the other songs are.  I mean, does anyone ever want to hear "The Stars Look Down" live? ;) :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ravenheart on May 28, 2011, 07:59:05 PM
Not really relevant to the discussion at hand, but I've always liked and appreciated Moving Pictures and Permanent Waves.

I also have Hemispheres and A Farewell to Kings in my possession but haven't listened to them yet.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on May 28, 2011, 08:20:21 PM
Listen now.  And then get Power Windows and Signals.  And Counterparts.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on May 28, 2011, 08:21:11 PM
I would like to see them bring out an odd track or two from TFE on the next tour, as well as a couple unplayed tracks from VT. Those two albums got under-represented on their tours, particularly VT, so it'd be nice if they revisited those albums with deeper cuts.

 ???  Test for Echo wasn't underrepresented on its tour.  Seven songs got played from it, six of them regularly ("Time and Motion" was dropped very early on, thank God!).  So, when you consider that six of the 11 songs were regularly played, that is the same percentage as Counterparts, and more than either Presto or Roll the Bones saw, on their respective tours.

I agree that VT was a bit underrepresented (only five of 13 played, with only four played per show - "Ghost Rider" and "Ceiling Unlimited" were rotated), but they have said that some of the songs were too meaty and buried in overdubs to pull off well live, and I am guessing they recognize how flawed some of the other songs are.  I mean, does anyone ever want to hear "The Stars Look Down" live? ;) :lol


Ah, I keep forgetting that it was 6 and not 5 that were played from TFE on it's tour. And I actually like "Time And Motion" but there were some songs on there that could've been played like "Carve Away The Stone" would have sounded great live.

As for VT, I think songs like "Sweet Miracle" and "Vapor Trail" would've been GREAT live, as would "How It Is" and "Freeze", but I can see how, with all the overdubs on the album, it would be hard to perform them live. However, they have proven they will perform songs with overdubs triggered, by either of the three, just to make them sound like they are on the album but still "play" them in a live setting, i.e. hitting a pedal or a pad or a key to produce said overdub. I think some VT songs on the next tour would be amazing.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on May 28, 2011, 08:28:51 PM
I would like to see them bring out an odd track or two from TFE on the next tour, as well as a couple unplayed tracks from VT. Those two albums got under-represented on their tours, particularly VT, so it'd be nice if they revisited those albums with deeper cuts.

 ???  Test for Echo wasn't underrepresented on its tour.  Seven songs got played from it, six of them regularly ("Time and Motion" was dropped very early on, thank God!).  So, when you consider that six of the 11 songs were regularly played, that is the same percentage as Counterparts, and more than either Presto or Roll the Bones saw, on their respective tours.

I agree that VT was a bit underrepresented (only five of 13 played, with only four played per show - "Ghost Rider" and "Ceiling Unlimited" were rotated), but they have said that some of the songs were too meaty and buried in overdubs to pull off well live, and I am guessing they recognize how flawed some of the other songs are.  I mean, does anyone ever want to hear "The Stars Look Down" live? ;) :lol


I would kill to hear Vapor Trails played live and I agree with Marc about Sweet Miracle and Freeze.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 28, 2011, 09:36:34 PM
I definitely think "Vapor Trail" would be awesome live, and it doesn't strike me as being a song that would be difficult to pull off.  "Freeze" is another story.  That song is very intense and has a lot of depth to it, and I fear that a live rendition of it would result in it losing a lot of its power.  I wouldn't be surprised if they tried it out in rehearsals back then and came to that realization.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on May 28, 2011, 11:04:50 PM
Everyone would gather on the 24th of May
Sitting on the sand to watch the fireworks display


 ;D Love that song, can we hear it live ever again. What about Before and After has that ever been played live?

No documented evidence has surfaced yet to suggest that Before And After has been played, but that doesn't mean that was never played. (one of my favorites on that album too and the first evidence of their progressive leanings). If I'm not mistaken, the A Farewell To Kings Tour featured the final appearence of Lakeside Park in the set.





Quote
Posted by: kingshmegland  

Check out this band, David Barrett Trio that was produced by Alex Lifeson and recorded in his studio!!  It's unreal!!


I've been waiting for this to be released myself. I eat this stuff up!







I'd be among those who'd pay for all of Test For Echo, Vapor Trails and Snakes and Arrows to be played live in their entirety.

I don't consider Test For Echo to be as lyrically weak as some suggest. Obviously Neil dates himself by trying to tackle a technological advancement that was about to explode big time in Virtuality and Test For Echo isn't all that hot either lyrically either (I suppose I'd lump Carve Away The Stone in there too), but I'd argue the rest of it is on par or better than the Peart Standard. I also think that Limo is the weakest instrumental they've ever done. I remember thinking that Rush could have been listening to Dream Theater when they wrote it. It just sounded very Dream Theateresque to me at the time.

I do recall that there were some fans on alt.music.rush that were loud and repeatedly vocal in criticizing it, but I was not one of those people.


 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on May 29, 2011, 07:44:41 AM
Looks like we have a hard date for the new live DVD.


https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2011/05/27/2664/Rush-live-DVD-to-release-September-27th-on-Concord-Records
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on May 29, 2011, 09:43:35 AM
Looks like we have a hard date for the new live DVD.


https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2011/05/27/2664/Rush-live-DVD-to-release-September-27th-on-Concord-Records

Looks like September 2011 will go down in history as an epic release month!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Curious Orange on May 31, 2011, 05:37:27 AM
To me, Peaceable Kingdom is the best song on VT, and the one I'd most want to hear live.

T4E isn't a bad album, but after the brilliance of Counterparts, it was something of a disappointment. There's very little on T4E to get excited about. Half the World, Color of Right and Virtuality are Ok enough, but slightly naff. Even the instumental falls short.

Can't wait for the DVD. All I've wanted to do all weekend is go see Rush again...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 03, 2011, 08:43:08 PM
Great interview by Neil on CBC.  Song by song breakdown of Moving Pictures.


https://www.cbc.ca/strombo/show-music/neil-peart-on-moving-pictures-track-by-track.html
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on June 03, 2011, 09:49:14 PM
Wow, very insightful!  Also the most I've ever heard Neil speak.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: tri.ad on June 04, 2011, 12:18:00 AM
Great interview. Damn, all members of Rush have such great personalities.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on June 05, 2011, 12:33:07 AM
Like listening to Neil talk?

Here's another Moving Pictures Retropective interview with Jim Ladd:

https://955klos.com/Article.asp?id=2159690&spid=24575
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on June 09, 2011, 08:41:54 AM
As usual, Rush was freaking awesome last night.  A few screwups though, which made me feel like I was watching something special.  :lol

-Messup in "Closer to the Heart."  Neil started playing the wrong part into the solo section.  The look on Geddy's face was priceless.  He looked like Beaker from the Muppets. :lol
-Cameras would just stop working, so there'd be long periods with a dead screen. 
-Geddy's keys during "Marathon" barely existed.  Thankfully this problem was fixed for "Subdivisions." 
-This didn't happen at the last show I saw (or at least I don't remember it if it happened), but they played the "Cygnus" riff at the very end of the last song!  Not a screwup, but it was really cool.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 09, 2011, 09:18:30 AM
Love the little moments that always lingers in the mind when thinking about a show.

Also.  we need Durg or Zydar to photoshop Geddy as Beeker! :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on June 09, 2011, 09:33:20 AM
Love the little moments that always lingers in the mind when thinking about a show.

Also.  we need Durg or Zydar to photoshop Geddy as Beeker! :lol

(https://i.imgur.com/0sSa5.jpg)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on June 09, 2011, 09:35:59 AM
 :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on June 09, 2011, 09:44:46 AM

-Geddy's keys during "Marathon" barely existed.  Thankfully this problem was fixed for "Subdivisions." 


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 09, 2011, 09:52:11 AM
Love the little moments that always lingers in the mind when thinking about a show.

Also.  we need Durg or Zydar to photoshop Geddy as Beeker! :lol

(https://i.imgur.com/0sSa5.jpg)

YES!!   Also Dr. Honeydew=Neil Peart! :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on June 09, 2011, 10:16:35 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/uSyXF.jpg)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 09, 2011, 10:28:58 AM
SO GOOD!! :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on June 09, 2011, 10:29:41 AM
SO

MUCH

WIN


And make alex that chick with the guitar. Can't think of her name
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on June 09, 2011, 10:45:44 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/z88I6.jpg)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on June 09, 2011, 10:58:27 AM
AHAHAHAHAHA


Please send this to the band TV. PLEASE
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on June 09, 2011, 11:58:18 AM
And make alex that chick with the guitar. Can't think of her name

Janis.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 10, 2011, 12:26:29 PM
Looks like the DVD/BR is set for a September 27th release and will be called "Time Machine".

https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=159255&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blabbermouth+%28Blabbermouth.net%27s+Daily+Headlines%29
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 10, 2011, 01:37:22 PM
Great month for music then!  It reminds me of 2007 when DT, PT and Rush all came out with music in a few months.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 10, 2011, 06:53:11 PM
Man... I hope I make a lot of money in August so I can save up for all the music stuff I'm buying in September!

Can't wait to get this as I missed this tour, and I'm sure the boys put on a GREAT show at Cleveland! It's great to finally have an American Rush show on film (unless I'm wrong about it, oops...).

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on June 10, 2011, 07:25:52 PM
Yeah, only official live DVD filmed entirely in the U.S.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on June 10, 2011, 08:41:17 PM
Looks like the DVD/BR is set for a September 27th release and will be called "Time Machine".

https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=159255&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blabbermouth+%28Blabbermouth.net%27s+Daily+Headlines%29


I'd love for this to come out then, but I think it will likely be pushed back a bit.


It will be cool though to have this be the centerpiece of Rushashana on VH-Classic
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 10, 2011, 08:58:54 PM
Caravan and BU2B are gonna be relased live before the album...cool.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 10, 2011, 09:03:47 PM
Caravan and BU2B are gonna be relased live before the album...cool.

True, but it'd be a bigger shock had they not released them on the single last year. If they just toured two new songs without a prior studio-recording release, and then released a live version of them before their proper album release, that would be shocking.

Still, it's very interesting to think about! :tup

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 10, 2011, 09:31:17 PM
Caravan and BU2B are gonna be relased live before the album...cool.

True, but it'd be a bigger shock had they not released them on the single last year. If they just toured two new songs without a prior studio-recording release, and then released a live version of them before their proper album release, that would be shocking.

Still, it's very interesting to think about! :tup

-Marc.

It reminds me of the old days where Rush toured and played a few songs of MP before they recorded it.  So I like the symmetry.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on July 08, 2011, 07:50:23 AM
Moving Pictures cover made with Lego!!


https://www.flickr.com/photos/35385165@N05/5273670233/in/pool-545918@N21/
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on July 08, 2011, 07:52:31 AM
:tup
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on July 08, 2011, 06:38:35 PM
Sweet!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: showdonttell on July 08, 2011, 09:41:32 PM
Moving Pictures cover made with Lego!!


https://www.flickr.com/photos/35385165@N05/5273670233/in/pool-545918@N21/
Haha, that's awesome!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on July 08, 2011, 09:42:34 PM
Moving Pictures cover made with Lego!!


https://www.flickr.com/photos/35385165@N05/5273670233/in/pool-545918@N21/
Haha, that's awesome!

It is awesome. And even though I'm not a fan of your particular Rush song, when I approved your account I was very happy knowing we were getting another Rush fan. :D
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: showdonttell on July 08, 2011, 09:52:34 PM
Moving Pictures cover made with Lego!!


https://www.flickr.com/photos/35385165@N05/5273670233/in/pool-545918@N21/
Haha, that's awesome!

It is awesome. And even though I'm not a fan of your particular Rush song, when I approved your account I was very happy knowing we were getting another Rush fan. :D
Haha! ;) Even in the Rush fan community it seems I'm one of the few who lists Presto as one of his favourites! :laugh:

But yes, glad to be here! ;D
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on July 08, 2011, 10:05:51 PM
Well, I list Presto in my bottom 5 or so, but a big part of that is it has two of my least favorite songs on it (Superconductor and Show Don't Tell), but it has a really cool clear crisp sound to it and the rest of the album varies between love and like and with Rush it's just that I don't LOVE it quite as much as most other records. My vinyl copy of the album is still in great shape and I always like putting it on.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on July 09, 2011, 10:21:22 AM
Nick, what's so bad about Show Don't Tell? 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on July 09, 2011, 10:34:59 AM
Nick, what's so bad about Show Don't Tell? 

And please show us, not just tell us

(https://rlv.zcache.com/tard_smiley_tshirt-p235239354292866800adc0r_325.jpg)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on July 09, 2011, 10:53:25 AM
Watch his every move - Superconductor!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on July 09, 2011, 11:32:47 AM
Actually, I bet Nick wins this argument hand over fist.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on July 09, 2011, 11:40:30 AM
If I could wave my magic wand, I'd ban you all. :p
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on July 09, 2011, 11:43:03 AM
If I could wave my magic wand, I'd ban you all. :p
If you can't move your wand, maybe you should have a doctor look at that.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on July 09, 2011, 11:51:53 AM
I think all of us are getting lost in the darkness.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on July 09, 2011, 12:44:40 PM
Nick, what's so bad about Show Don't Tell? 

It's just one of the handful of Rush songs I've never really cared for. I usually don't mind when Rush goes a bit poppy, but SDT and Superconductor have a poppy edge that I really dislike.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on July 09, 2011, 02:19:28 PM
I like SDT but Superconductor is a sub par song by Rush's standards.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on July 11, 2011, 09:29:38 PM
I like SDT but Superconductor is a sub par song by Rush's standards.

It's affectionately known in these parts as "Stupidconductor" (and I can still hear Scott Muni's voice on 102.7 WNEW interviewing Geddy when the album came out referring to it as "Semiconductor" without fail  (I think he must have been stoned that day))

I like the lyrics and I KNOW the music is supposed to be flighty to support the lyrical themes, but I can't ever get that video out of my head and it just KILLS it for me. (Hands down the worst video the band has ever been associated with).

I had a rough time getting into Presto a few months after it came out because I was spinning When Dream and Day Unite constantly by this point especially after I'd just seen them open for Marillion at the Ritz so I was probably in full on Dream Theater (and Fish/Marillion mode) at this point.

Anyway, I'm so incredibly happy to have witnessed Presto as I thought given the bands negative thoughts in general about the album that I'd never have the chance.

Now if they can just dust off Available Light.....
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on July 14, 2011, 04:54:51 PM
FYI, gold Roll the Bones can be pre-ordered on Amazon for $18 right now.

I currently have Signals and Permanent Waves and shall happily be adding this.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on July 14, 2011, 04:57:13 PM
Nick, I've got to say the remaster sounded better then the gold disks but the signals gold was worth every penny for the missing vocal line in The Weapon.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on July 14, 2011, 04:59:01 PM
Considering I've never owned a normal Signals disc I actually have no clue what you're talking about.

Edit: Though I suppose I've heard the song live enough I should have noticed, but I've never picked up on anything.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on July 15, 2011, 09:27:52 AM
Nick, I've got to say the remaster sounded better then the gold disks but the signals gold was worth every penny for the missing vocal line in The Weapon.

I remember that!  I hated that they took that line out. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on July 15, 2011, 02:07:16 PM
Wait, what?  They took a line out of The Weapon, but it was back in the gold version.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on July 15, 2011, 02:09:41 PM
I think that is what kings.. meant, but he just worded it weirdly. :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on July 15, 2011, 02:30:57 PM
Okay.  So what's the line?  I have Signals on vinyl, and on a "regular" CD somewhere, but I've never noticed a missing line, mostly because I wasn't that familiar with the original version of the song.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on July 15, 2011, 02:37:14 PM
The last line before the instrumental section in the middle is missing on the gold version.  I think it's at 3:11.  The vocal line is simply not there.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on July 15, 2011, 02:50:48 PM
That's weird.  I've always wondered how this kind of thing can occur.  Usually the explanation indicates that some "alternate master" was mistakenly used.  I'm not saying that that's what happened here, but I'd love to hear the explanation.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on July 15, 2011, 02:55:34 PM
I would, too.  The Sisyphuses (which are softly whispered in between the main vocal lines) missing in the choruses of the Test for Echo remaster in Carve Away the Stone is bizarre, too.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on July 15, 2011, 03:11:19 PM
I looked it up, and apparently that line weren't on the original studio masters and were added after the fact. MFSL, working with the original masters worked with what they thought was everything.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on July 15, 2011, 03:20:01 PM
Yup.   Kev's my translator. :lol

That is correct Nick.  I found that odd to when I first read it. 

My cousin and brother were in my room listening to it when I yelled out, "There's a line missing!!".  Both my cousin and brother laughed at me till I had them play it back and I sang the line that was supposed to be there.  Just an odd little nugget about that gold disk.

The one gold disk that is worth every penny is Hotel California by the Eagles.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on July 15, 2011, 03:22:27 PM
I owned a handful of them gold discs about 10 years ago (and eventually made a bundle off of them when I sold them on eBay...The Wall went for like $125!), and a problem I often noticed with them were the indexes (where the song starts) would sometimes be just a hair off, meaning the track would start a millisecond after it was supposed to, and if it was a song that started off loud (as opposed to a fadein), it was really annoying.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on July 15, 2011, 11:18:45 PM
FYI, gold Roll the Bones can be pre-ordered on Amazon for $18 right now.


I'll probably have to jump on that.




This will be my first disc that isn't pressed by Mobile Fidelity. I'm wondering how it will compare.


The only Mobile Fidelity release I'd consider parting with is my sealed copy of Red, Hot and Blue, the Cole Porter tribute, which apparently goes for obscene amounts of money.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on July 26, 2011, 09:52:19 AM
A recent interview with Neil, regarding how he stays fit to be a drummer:

https://www.latimes.com/health/la-he-fitness-neil-peart-20110725,0,6166300,full.story
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on July 26, 2011, 07:43:53 PM
Nick, what did you think of the Roll The Bones Gold?

Packaging is kind of a knock off (They obviously couldn't be bothered to get the original art and aped the bad remaster art).

Only had time to listen to the first three songs and based on one listen, I thought Dreamline sounded worse but that Bravado and Roll The Bones sounded a bit warmer and without some of that "poppy" edge that Rupert Hine seemed use with that album.

I hope I have some time to listen to the rest soon.....
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on July 27, 2011, 05:27:54 PM
Oh my God. You guys. Check out this comment someone posted on Blabbermouth. It's from an article about the upcoming "Time Machine Tour Live in Cleveland" DVD.

Quote
Anyone wanna tell me how a band with 2 full lenghth albums and an ep can make so many DVDs? By my count this will be DVD 14 so that's like 7 DVDs per album. How can people listen to the same 20 songs over and over? The band is complete filth with zero talent. Only reason they are popular is because of the 4, yes 4, 911 tribute / remembrance songs. Way to exploit a tragedy. Absolutely disgraceful

Now...I don't know if I'm just tired, or what, but I haven't laughed that hard all month. I have no idea why I found that so funny. But, my God, I just now regained composure after laughing for like 10 minutes straight. My cheeks are burning and my chest hurts. It's just...so incredibly random and stupid. I doubt any of you will find it nearly as funny as I did, but I just had to share it.

Edit: I tried to reply to his post, but it's been deleted. Oh well.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ryzee on July 27, 2011, 05:43:36 PM
That's really weird.  Maybe he posted it on the wrong article or something?  Makes no sense otherwise, unless it's just extremely bad trolling.  :huh:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on July 27, 2011, 05:47:01 PM
Or extremely GOOD trolling. It was hilarious, creative, and tons of people fell for it. That's a winner in my book.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: wolfking on July 27, 2011, 06:34:20 PM
7 DVD's per album, WTF!?  :rollin
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mr. Beale on July 27, 2011, 07:40:51 PM
 :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on July 27, 2011, 09:53:30 PM
I don't think it's a troll, just someone seriously misguided.  Not sure how they determined that Rush only had two albums and an EP, or four 9/11 tribute songs, but they probably realized their mistake or had it pointed out to them, so they deleted it.  Hey, some people are idiots.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on July 28, 2011, 12:11:21 AM
I would like to say, as much as I love Rush, 2 LPs and an EP in 10 years is a bit of a famine
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on July 28, 2011, 01:05:16 AM
I wonder what band he's talking about (assuming it's a mistake). The live DVD was pushed back to October 27th or so BTW.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on July 28, 2011, 01:06:27 AM
7 DVD's per album, WTF!?  :rollin

Yeah, that line got me. So ridiculous. :lol

Several hours later, I still can't read his post without laughing.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on July 28, 2011, 11:04:51 AM
For as much as I love them, if a comment like that could be made about anyone it's Transatlantic.

They have three albums and will soon have like 6 live releases.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on July 28, 2011, 03:43:10 PM
As long as the live stuff is DVD's I'm ok with it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ultimetalhead on July 28, 2011, 07:57:52 PM
I can't wait for this DVD considering I went to the shows before and after it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on July 28, 2011, 09:01:23 PM
I hit a show around that time as well. :D
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on July 29, 2011, 07:59:33 AM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY GOD I MEAN GEDDY LEE
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: tri.ad on July 29, 2011, 09:22:53 AM
Happy birthday to my favourite bass player. :laugh:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on July 29, 2011, 10:12:01 AM
Happy birthday to my favourite bass player. :laugh:

But it's not my birthd... oh, I see what you mean :-\
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on July 29, 2011, 10:21:23 AM
Moving Pictures cover made with Lego!!


https://www.flickr.com/photos/35385165@N05/5273670233/in/pool-545918@N21/
Haha, that's awesome!

That's so good I nicked it!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 02, 2011, 03:40:07 PM
I'd be shocked if this hasn't already been posted but this had my jaw dropping as an incredible display of Mario Paint expertise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpRGTocwd3E&feature=related
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on August 02, 2011, 08:46:39 PM
Somebody stop me from going into a full blown Rush orgy!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nekov on August 03, 2011, 07:44:47 AM
Moving Pictures cover made with Lego!!


https://www.flickr.com/photos/35385165@N05/5273670233/in/pool-545918@N21/
Haha, that's awesome!

That's so good I nicked it!


Hahaha. Amazing

I'd be shocked if this hasn't already been posted but this had my jaw dropping as an incredible display of Mario Paint expertise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpRGTocwd3E&feature=related


Wow. I wonder how much time that guy spent doing that. And I completely love how there is a random sound when it's supposed to say subdivisions!

Somebody stop me from going into a full blown Rush orgy!

Why? There's no better orgy than that one!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on August 03, 2011, 07:48:08 AM
Why? There's no better orgy than that one!

Um, does that mean staying at home and listening to at least half of their discography in one sitting?

Because I do that extremely regularly.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 03, 2011, 10:17:17 AM
Why? There's no better orgy than that one!

Um, does that mean staying at home and listening to at least half of their discography in one sitting?

Because I do that extremely regularly.

If so then I recommend using the synth era for the refractory period so you can return rock-hard for Roll the Bones.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on August 03, 2011, 10:37:34 AM
Why? There's no better orgy than that one!

Um, does that mean staying at home and listening to at least half of their discography in one sitting?

Because I do that extremely regularly.

If so then I recommend using the synth era for the refractory period so you can return rock-hard for Roll the Bones.

Um, Roll The Bones is easily the most improperly named album I've ever heard. 

Dreamline does put me in the general direction of the creamline, and Bravado has that, but the second that Neal Peart starts rapping, that album's done.  And with that, my sex drive.  Unless I listen to some Kiss or other band full of machismo and single entenders.  Like pre-75 Rush. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on August 03, 2011, 11:47:59 AM
Who is Neal Peart? ???

And Geddy does the rap in Roll the Bones.  And it is great. :coolio
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on August 03, 2011, 11:51:34 AM
Who is Neal Peart? ???

He's that guy, the one with the beanie.  I think he plays something like pan flute or harp.  I can't really tell, because he's always lurking behind the drum machine. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on August 03, 2011, 06:59:39 PM
Why? There's no better orgy than that one!

Um, does that mean staying at home and listening to at least half of their discography in one sitting?

Because I do that extremely regularly.

That would be nice.

But in this case it meant watching Beyond The Lighted Stage then listening to All The World's A Stage, The Grace Under Pressure Tour show and Snakes And Arrows Live.

While I love for it to continue I've been inspired by Spock's Beard's High Voltqge performance and would love to get some quality time with Neal Morse's Spock's Bread.

Perhaps this weekend.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on August 03, 2011, 07:29:47 PM
I work at a pool, and we usually have police officers patrol the area since we're located in a really bad part of the city.

So, a new PO came today and he looked JUST fucking like Peart. :lol And he was pretty smart too. At one point he was even hand drumming on the table.  :lol

Just thought I would contribute that wonderful story to this thread.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on August 03, 2011, 08:57:41 PM
I work at a pool, and we usually have police officers patrol the area since we're located in a really bad part of the city.

So, a new PO came today and he looked JUST fucking like Peart. :lol And he was pretty smart too. At one point he was even hand drumming on the table.  :lol

Just thought I would contribute that wonderful story to this thread.

POOL STORY, BRO!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on August 03, 2011, 09:07:11 PM
:clap:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 03, 2011, 09:17:03 PM
I work at a pool, and we usually have police officers patrol the area since we're located in a really bad part of the city.

So, a new PO came today and he looked JUST fucking like Peart. :lol And he was pretty smart too. At one point he was even hand drumming on the table.  :lol

Just thought I would contribute that wonderful story to this thread.

POOL STORY, BRO!


:chortle:

 :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on August 08, 2011, 02:15:58 PM
Rush picture of the day:

(https://www.daddario.com/upload/KOSA_PEART2_31412.jpg)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 08, 2011, 07:06:30 PM
...And Djembes For All :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on August 09, 2011, 07:46:09 PM
 :tup
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zook on August 10, 2011, 04:41:42 PM
Walmart has Moving Pictures for 5 bucks. Should I get it?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on August 10, 2011, 04:44:55 PM
Walmart has Moving Pictures for 5 bucks. Should I get it?

I would say yes, but Walmart is the store equivalent of the devil, so I can't condone buying something there.  Not even Rush.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 10, 2011, 04:49:17 PM
Walmart has Moving Pictures for 5 bucks. Should I get it?

Yes. Then steal something of equal value.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on August 10, 2011, 05:31:25 PM
Walmart has Moving Pictures for 5 bucks. Should I get it?

Yes. Then steal something of equal value.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zook on August 10, 2011, 05:37:05 PM
If I didn't know any better, I'd say you guys didn't like Walmart...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 10, 2011, 05:43:34 PM
If I didn't know any better, I'd say you guys didn't like Walmart...

I'm hypocritical to an extent since I'm so poor usually that I end up going there since a lot of stuff there is far cheaper than it'd be at less evil retailers. Imo they just aren't good for the economy since they drive a lot of independent retailers/grocers out of business but pay their employees peanuts and(I'll work on confirming this) I had heard about them paying migrant labor far less than minimum wage to clean floors overnight when closed(once again...HEARD this, not saying I can confirm it as of this moment.)

Edit: While I only skimmed it, the article (https://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,150846,00.html) confirms the migrant labor bit as well as numerous unethical practices with the staff but I didn't see anything about whether they made less than minimum wage or not. Considering they could've legally paid anyone who is legal to work in this country minimum wage but still opted to risk what ultimately resulted in the biggest fine in a civil immigration case ever($11,000,000) it seems like a brief connecting the dots points right to paying them less than minimum wage.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zook on August 10, 2011, 05:50:20 PM
Walmart is convenient for me. Plus it's either that or the grocery store I work at. A lot of the times, WM has the better prices. Fry's can be up to 3 or 4 dollars more expensive on certain things which is just wrong. Walmart could be slowly sucking my life force out like a succubus, but I gotta eat and wipe my ass.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on August 10, 2011, 05:52:15 PM
Buy it buy it buy it buy it buy it.

Then burn all your terrible symphony X, Slayer, and Krotchraut albums. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 10, 2011, 05:53:21 PM
Buy it buy it buy it buy it buy it.

Then burn all your terrible symphony X, Slayer, and Krotchraut albums. :biggrin:

Do you even listen to technical music? /elnimio
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zook on August 10, 2011, 05:54:14 PM
Buy it buy it buy it buy it buy it.

Then burn all your terrible symphony X, Slayer, and Krotchraut albums. :biggrin:

HEY!!!











I don't have any Slayer albums.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The King in Crimson on August 10, 2011, 07:45:39 PM
My biggest problem with Wal-Mart is that they sell only censored music. Or at least, they used to, I haven't bought a single CD from Wal-Mart in the ten years since I learned that, but apparently it's 'okay' to sell extremely violent video games and movies, but music with the word 'fuck' in it is bad, bad, bad!

So yeah, I'm also a poor, hypocritical piece of shit, but fuck Wal-Mart.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on August 23, 2011, 06:09:13 PM
Looks like the DVD/BR is set for a September 27th release and will be called "Time Machine".

https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=159255&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blabbermouth+%28Blabbermouth.net%27s+Daily+Headlines%29


I'd love for this to come out then, but I think it will likely be pushed back a bit.


It will be cool though to have this be the centerpiece of Rushashana on VH-Classic


DVD pushed back to November 8?  (  https://www.rushisaband.com  )


Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: obscure on August 27, 2011, 01:06:00 PM
Happy birthday Alex Lifeson!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Vahvahenki on August 27, 2011, 04:27:00 PM
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Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on August 27, 2011, 04:37:31 PM
Happy birthday Aleksandar Živojinović!

FTFY  :tup

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: obscure on August 27, 2011, 05:23:39 PM
Happy birthday Aleksandar Živojinović!

FTFY  :tup

-Marc.
:tup
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on August 27, 2011, 10:04:50 PM
Rush nerds!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The King in Crimson on August 27, 2011, 10:09:48 PM
Rush nerds!
(https://cdn2.holytaco.com/wp-content/uploads/images/2009/revenge-of-the-nerds_0.jpg)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: obscure on August 28, 2011, 02:45:47 AM
Ahahaha ha  :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on August 31, 2011, 09:30:22 PM
Rush nerds!

I'm guilty as charged!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: obscure on September 01, 2011, 01:00:46 AM
Rush nerds!

I'm guilty as charged!

100%
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Jirpo on September 01, 2011, 03:06:44 AM
Rush signs with Roadrunner for next album!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: obscure on September 01, 2011, 03:07:41 AM
yea... let's see how it goes now....
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jingle.boy on September 01, 2011, 11:04:41 AM
Rush signs with Roadrunner for next album!


Sweet!

https://www.billboard.com/news/rush-signs-with-roadrunner-preps-new-album-1005333222.story#/news/rush-signs-with-roadrunner-preps-new-album-1005333222.story

If ever a joint tour were to occur with DT... Well, there are no words to describe how :omg: that would be.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: sirbradford117 on September 01, 2011, 01:39:13 PM
Great news!!  But waddaya know... ANOTHER live album coming out.  'nuff is enough.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on September 04, 2011, 07:07:59 PM
I've come to the following conclusion:

Grace Under Pressure > Signals

Mainly because I like every song on Grace Under Pressure, while Signals has two songs I don't really care for (Chemistry and Countdown).
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Pols Voice on September 04, 2011, 07:15:03 PM
I like GUP more than Signals too. There's an urgency to it that Signals is lacking, plus I like the production better. The first four tracks on GUP is one of the best runs Rush ever had. I do like Signals though.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on September 04, 2011, 07:16:28 PM
*sees that Nick is viewing this thread*

Also forgot to mention, Kid Gloves is AWESOME.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on September 04, 2011, 07:27:14 PM
Well Drew, since you asked for it...

Signals > Grace Under Pressure.

While Signals is strong all around, with Chemistry being one of the best tracks on the album, Grace Under Pressure has Kid Gloves and Red Lenses, and both are sub-par by Rush standards. Though both albums have two big favorites of mine, Subdivisions, and The Enemy Within.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The King in Crimson on September 04, 2011, 08:13:52 PM
I've come to the following conclusion:

Grace Under Pressure > Signals

Mainly because I like every song on Grace Under Pressure, while Signals has two songs I don't really care for (Chemistry and Countdown).
Love GUP, though they're both my favorites from the 80's, synth era of Rush.

And yes, Kid Gloves is awesome.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on September 04, 2011, 09:05:29 PM
Kid Gloves is my favorite song on GUP. 

I prefer Sigs over Grace, but I prefer them both over almost all pre-80 Rush and all post-84 Rush. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on September 04, 2011, 09:11:41 PM
Kid Gloves is my favorite song on GUP. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on September 04, 2011, 11:45:32 PM
They are close, but I probably slightly prefer P/G.  If I compared the songs, they'd be about even (both have a handful of great songs, a few good songs, and two okay "by Rush standards" songs), but P/G simply sounds better.  It has a very nice overall sound to it sonically, while Signals sounds slightly muffled, like they weren't sure how to mix it with the greater emphasis on keys, and P/G has that cold and wintery feeling to it that is just awesome.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 05, 2011, 10:41:09 AM
They are close, but I probably slightly prefer P/G.  If I compared the songs, they'd be about even (both have a handful of great songs, a few good songs, and two okay "by Rush standards" songs), but P/G simply sounds better.  It has a very nice overall sound to it sonically, while Signals sounds slightly muffled, like they weren't sure how to mix it with the greater emphasis on keys, and P/G has that cold and wintery feeling to it that is just awesome.

Agree 100% with this.  P/G has a beautiful darkness to it... lots of tension and a rawness that is rarely found in post-MP Rush.  Though i think song quality is roughly equal on both, the sound on P/G is better...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on September 05, 2011, 11:01:28 AM
They are close, but I probably slightly prefer P/G.  If I compared the songs, they'd be about even (both have a handful of great songs, a few good songs, and two okay "by Rush standards" songs), but P/G simply sounds better.  It has a very nice overall sound to it sonically, while Signals sounds slightly muffled, like they weren't sure how to mix it with the greater emphasis on keys, and P/G has that cold and wintery feeling to it that is just awesome.

Agree 100% with this.  P/G has a beautiful darkness to it... lots of tension and a rawness that is rarely found in post-MP Rush.  Though i think song quality is roughly equal on both, the sound on P/G is better...

You guys know what's up.  P/G really benefits from its cold and synth-heavy, yet not sterile production.  It truly sounds like the future, even if it was done with 1984 equipment.  Hell, it reminds me of the book 1984. 

Funny thing, when I first heard Power Windows and Hold Your Fire, I felt really let down, because even though they are good albums, (PW especially), Sigs and Grace were just so good, IMO, that I couldn't help but feel disappointed that they didn't meet that sorta quality.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on September 05, 2011, 11:06:21 AM
Signals sounding the way it did was probably a big reason why they fired Terry Brown.  They said at the time that they wanted to see how other producers would treat their music, and given that they knew they were going in a more keyboard-heavy direction, following the failure of Signals from a production standpoint, they probably weren't confident that Brown was the man to get the most out of them in regards to the direction they were heading.  I know they said it came at a high cost, as it cost them their friendship for a long time I think, but Brown did appear with them on the Moving Pictures DVD last year when talking about aspects of the recording and whatnot, so it appears as if they buried the hatchet, so that was good to see, given how important Brown was to them during what most would call their peak.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on September 05, 2011, 12:39:47 PM
Well Drew, since you asked for it...

Signals > Grace Under Pressure.

While Signals is strong all around, with Chemistry being one of the best tracks on the album, Grace Under Pressure has Kid Gloves and Red Lenses, and both are sub-par by Rush standards. Though both albums have two big favorites of mine, Subdivisions, and The Enemy Within.

Gross. Chemistry is one of the worst tracks on the album, aside from Countdown.

P/G rivals Power Windows for me. Love the atmosphere of both of those albums.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on September 05, 2011, 01:12:36 PM
P/G is better than fucking PW! 

I mean, for starters, P/G doesn't have Grand Designs. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nel on September 05, 2011, 01:16:26 PM
Grace Under Pressure is by far my favorite Rush album. It was the first one I got after Snakes And Arrows. The first half is just so catchy!

A few weeks back, I heard Power Windows and Hold Your Fire for the first time. I've had them for almost two years but never really took the time for them until recently. Power Windows is awesome too. Hold Your Fire, though... that was disappointing. Only the first song was memorable. The rest of the album sounded very bland to me. I only got a little bit into Presto, bad that wasn't very impressive either.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on September 05, 2011, 01:18:02 PM
Give HYF and Presto some time.  I needed time for them to grow on me, and I enjoy them now, though they have nothing on Caress of Steel through P/G.  Like, HYF, especially is really soft and mainstream, not to mention overproduced, but if you keep on listening to it and get to the bottom line, there's a fine collection of tunes there, though I agree that Force 10 totally overshadows the rest of the album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 05, 2011, 01:54:20 PM
Presto was actually the second Rush album i bought, after MP.  Initially, i was like, "What the hell is this?"  But i am grateful to have gotten early exposure to that side of Rush, because it allowed me to fill in the gaps more appreciatively.  All in all, Presto is top 3 for me.  I can certainly understand why many aren't that enthralled with it, but there is a subtlety in the songs that i can't quite put my finger on.  It takes a long time to find it - new Rushies shouldn't expect to get into Presto with the first listen (or first 20 listens).
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on September 05, 2011, 01:55:08 PM
Since Roll The Bones came out 20 years ago (but I'd already listened to Roll The Bones (gold disc) a few weeks back) I listened to a few Roll The Bones Radio Shows this weekend.  (Up Close and Rockline) Nice trip in the wayback machine.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 05, 2011, 02:41:19 PM
Since Roll The Bones came out 20 years ago (but I'd already listened to Roll The Bones (gold disc) a few weeks back) I listened to a few Roll The Bones Radio Shows this weekend.  (Up Close and Rockline) Nice trip in the wayback machine.

I love RTB.  That was the album that was out when i first got into Rush.  Although not my favorite album, i still think it's their best songwriting work to date.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on September 05, 2011, 02:42:39 PM
I don't.  I say it's the worst thing they ever did, and is Adult Contemporary schlock.  Only Dreamline, Bravado, and the instrumental appeal to me. 

And I like some AC.  (Mainly 90-92 Springsteen)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 05, 2011, 02:49:43 PM
I can understand your viewpoint.  But from lyrics to melodies, i think RTB is mature, thoughtful songwriting.  The only tracks that i don't love are Face Up and Neurotica.  Everything else is gold to me.  Ghost of a Chance is sublime.  Big Wheel rocks (although the production on the album, as noted many times before, is too thin and weak, detracting from the power of tracks like Dreamline and BW), title track is groovy with a signature beat, Heresy is brilliant.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on September 05, 2011, 02:51:32 PM
I'll agree with you on the lyrics.  Often quite clever, with a lot of use of games as metaphors for life and its ways. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 05, 2011, 02:53:13 PM
I could spend years discussing aspects of Rush.  I would say that, imo, the Rupert Hine albums (Presto/RTB) contain Neil's best lyrics.  Too bad they also have the thinnest sound.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Pols Voice on September 05, 2011, 04:30:55 PM
Oh cool. Another fan of Presto and RTB. I love those albums, Presto moreso. Just a lot of great, tight pop/rock songwriting.

Power Windows and Hold Your Fire are fine, with a few great tracks (The Big Money, Marathon, Force Ten, Prime Mover), but there is a sameyness to a lot of the material and a bit too much 80s gloss.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on September 05, 2011, 04:37:26 PM
My favorite songs from PW and HYF are Big Money, Middletown Dreams, Mystic Rhythms, Force 10, and High Water. 

Especially Middletown Dreams.  Wonderfully gloomy, yet uplifting, and the intro and that crazy keyboard loop are possibly my favorite moments of the entire PW album. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 05, 2011, 04:43:02 PM
mmmmm... i love all those tracks.  HYF i hold in very high regard also.  Interestingly, it has also been the most accessible album for my female friends.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on September 05, 2011, 07:21:51 PM
Presto and Roll the Bones are two very awesome albums. The production of Presto is a little off putting, but the songs themselves are great.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on September 05, 2011, 10:45:53 PM
mmmmm... i love all those tracks.  HYF i hold in very high regard also.  Interestingly, it has also been the most accessible album for my female friends.

That doesn't surprise me.  The girlfriend I had when I first got into Rush in late '91/'92 always said that her favorite Rush song was Time Stand Still.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on September 06, 2011, 08:50:57 AM
We heard "Time Stand Still" in the car the other day, and my wife mentioned that she'd always liked that song.  Amazing what a female guest vocalist can do for your appeal to females.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on September 06, 2011, 08:52:50 AM
Does it make me a sissy, then, if Time Stand Still is one of my Top 5 Rush songs?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on September 06, 2011, 08:58:06 AM
Does it make me a sissy, then, if Time Stand Still is one of my Top 5 Rush songs?

Nah - it's in 7/4, so you're saved from it being a sissy-song. Now if it was in 4/4, that's a different story.

However, "Superconductor" isn't saved by being in 7/4, sadly enough...

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: poespas on September 06, 2011, 09:11:23 AM
Did anyone hear this beautiful cover of Time Stand Still by Nelly Furtado? ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y0hKk4YHXo
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on September 06, 2011, 09:13:06 AM
Does it make me a sissy, then, if Time Stand Still is one of my Top 5 Rush songs?

Nah - it's in 7/4, so you're saved from it being a sissy-song. Now if it was in 4/4, that's a different story.

However, "Superconductor" isn't saved by being in 7/4, sadly enough...

-Marc.

Most of Time Stand Still is in 4/4 :p
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 06, 2011, 09:54:56 AM
Does it make me a sissy, then, if Time Stand Still is one of my Top 5 Rush songs?

Nah - it's in 7/4, so you're saved from it being a sissy-song. Now if it was in 4/4, that's a different story.

However, "Superconductor" isn't saved by being in 7/4, sadly enough...

-Marc.


Funny thing was, Superconductor was the first accessible song for me on that album.  Not surprising, but it allowed me to gradually immerse myself in the brilliance of the rest of it.  Took me about 6 months to really start appreciating Presto, and then for the next 18yrs it has been a sublime masterpiece.  Very good reward for the initial effort.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on September 06, 2011, 09:55:31 AM
Does it make me a sissy, then, if Time Stand Still is one of my Top 5 Rush songs?

Nah - it's in 7/4, so you're saved from it being a sissy-song. Now if it was in 4/4, that's a different story.

However, "Superconductor" isn't saved by being in 7/4, sadly enough...

-Marc.

Most of Time Stand Still is in 4/4 :p

Shhhhhhhh...PART of it isn't, so it's still good. :lol

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on September 06, 2011, 09:56:10 AM
Does it make me a sissy, then, if Time Stand Still is one of my Top 5 Rush songs?

Nah - it's in 7/4, so you're saved from it being a sissy-song. Now if it was in 4/4, that's a different story.

However, "Superconductor" isn't saved by being in 7/4, sadly enough...

-Marc.

WATCH HIS EVERY MOVE!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on September 06, 2011, 10:01:31 AM
WATCH HIS EVERY MOVE!

ORCHESTRATE ILLUSIONS!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The King in Crimson on September 06, 2011, 09:12:39 PM
... I like Superconductor :(
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on September 06, 2011, 09:17:34 PM
It's not the greatest tune, but it's ok, I guess.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nel on September 06, 2011, 09:28:07 PM
Random thought: Leave That Thing Alone is my favorite instrumental of all time, if only because it reminds me of the Stardust Speedway level from Sonic CD, and old Sonic games have my favorite video game music. That and it's just rockin' on its own anyway.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Pols Voice on September 06, 2011, 10:10:48 PM
... I like Superconductor :(

It ain't bad. Lyrics are kinda silly and the "Superconductor" voice is weird, but it's a solid track with a cool little riff.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on September 07, 2011, 12:55:59 AM
Random thought: Leave That Thing Alone is my favorite instrumental of all time, if only because it reminds me of the Stardust Speedway level from Sonic CD, and old Sonic games have my favorite video game music. That and it's just rockin' on its own anyway.

I haven't played that game, but I think Leave That Thing Alone is my favourite Rush instrumental - beating both La Villa Strangiato and YYZ.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 07, 2011, 08:46:34 AM
LTTA is definitely the highlight of Cparts for me.  I've heard that song used as a backdrop on several TV shows and sporting events.

I have to say, however, that Cparts was pretty disappointing for me.  I had the album 2 months before it was released (some random dude on Prodigy online sent me a copy cassette), and to this day it was just kind of blah.  I really love the sound and engineering of the album, but the songs are just blah.  When i read Neil saying that Animate was one of their all-time bests recently, i nearly gagged on my Cinnamon Toast Crunch.

That being said, I love LTTA, Cut to the Chase, Double Agent.  And NH and AS are good.  The rest.... yuck.  I can't believe they still play Stick it Out... that could take my vote for worst Rush song ever.  And i'm not alone - they did a poll at Rushisaband.com during the tour and an overwhelming 65% of people singled out that song to be the first to remove from the setlist.

OK, i'm done complaining.  Weak Rush is still great.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on September 07, 2011, 12:00:55 PM
Counterparts is a great album. TSoL is the only weak spot.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on September 07, 2011, 03:55:58 PM
Counterparts is a great album. TSoL is the only weak spot.

Amen.  1000% correct.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on September 07, 2011, 05:45:21 PM
Random thought: Leave That Thing Alone is my favorite instrumental of all time, if only because it reminds me of the Stardust Speedway level from Sonic CD, and old Sonic games have my favorite video game music. That and it's just rockin' on its own anyway.

I guess this is the part where I admit that whenever I put Leave That Thing Alone on a mix disc I always follow it with the Different Stages version. Pure bliss.

I've also put this song one repeat for hours on end sometimes and soak up the genius.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on September 07, 2011, 06:23:13 PM
LTTA is great, but I'm not a huge fan of Counterparts. I know people say it's one of their best later albums, but I think it is just a bit too bland. Some songs are really good, but as an album it doesn't cut it for me.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Pols Voice on September 07, 2011, 07:50:47 PM
I'm not a big Counterparts fan. It contains a few of the worst Rush songs ever. Cut to the Chase and Leave That Thing Alone are great, though. Why don't they play CTTC live?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on September 07, 2011, 08:08:32 PM
I don't think there's a bad song on Counterparts.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on September 07, 2011, 08:25:24 PM
Counterparts is perfect as is.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on September 07, 2011, 08:26:00 PM
No album with Stick it Out is perfect. :p
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Pols Voice on September 07, 2011, 08:29:43 PM
Nobody's Hero, Alien Shore, and Cold Fire are crap.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on September 07, 2011, 08:33:45 PM
Except those are all great songs.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on September 07, 2011, 08:34:08 PM
Stick it Out always makes me think of dicks
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on September 07, 2011, 09:08:41 PM
I don't get the problem with Stick it Out.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on September 07, 2011, 09:11:34 PM
STICK OUT YOUR TONGUE
DON'T SWALLOW MY SEED
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: senecadawg2 on September 07, 2011, 09:40:32 PM
I was thinking about starting a whole new thread to ask these questions, but I realized that would be pointless.

1. what are the best rush 'starter' albums?
currently I've really gotten into Moving Pictures and Permanent Waves, but I know that I'm missing out on a lot of the other not-so-popular stuff. Suggestions?

Also, 2. What are your favorite classic prog rock albums? Including the two rush albums I have, my other favorite is Yes's Fragile. As I am pretty new to the genre I am also looking for a lot more suggestions.

thanks
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on September 07, 2011, 09:44:55 PM
First off, your a noob, what do you think you're doing making smart decisions and such?

Secondly you have the two best starter albums. I would suggest moving to what are my two favorite albums ever (answering your 2nd question), and what are stylistically similar to Permanent Waves, A Farewell to Kings and Hemispheres.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on September 07, 2011, 09:47:05 PM
I was thinking about starting a whole new thread to ask these questions, but I realized that would be pointless.

1. what are the best rush 'starter' albums?
currently I've really gotten into Moving Pictures and Permanent Waves, but I know that I'm missing out on a lot of the other not-so-popular stuff. Suggestions?

Also, 2. What are your favorite classic prog rock albums? Including the two rush albums I have, my other favorite is Yes's Fragile. As I am pretty new to the genre I am also looking for a lot more suggestions.

thanks

Definitely go to 2112, A Farewell to Kings, and Hemispheres next. After that, I'd hit their earlier 70s output and then move on to their 80s albums.

As for classic prog... these are all great albums
King Crimson - In The Court of the Crimson King
Yes - Close to the Edge
Genesis - Foxtrot
Pink Floyd - Meddle/Animals
Jethro Tull - Aqualung
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on September 07, 2011, 09:48:38 PM
Nobody's Hero, Alien Shore, and Cold Fire are crap.
Don't mean to revive a dead debate, but Nobody's Hero and Cold Fire are my favorites off of CP.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on September 07, 2011, 10:06:01 PM
Cut to the Chase and Leave That Thing Alone are great, though. Why don't they play CTTC live?

I'd love for them to finally play that live, if only to see Lerxst nail that wonderful solo.

Counterparts is perfect as is.

Truth.

Nobody's Hero, Alien Shore, and Cold Fire are crap.

Crazy talk.

I don't get the problem with Stick it Out.

It's nothing special, but it is fine for what it is: a straight-forward rocker.  Plus, it being the first single from CP, at the time, given that Rush hadn't really gone heavy in a long time, when you first heard that riff, it was like, "Woah, they are ready to really rock again."

I was thinking about starting a whole new thread to ask these questions, but I realized that would be pointless.

1. what are the best rush 'starter' albums?
currently I've really gotten into Moving Pictures and Permanent Waves, but I know that I'm missing out on a lot of the other not-so-popular stuff. Suggestions?

Aside from those two, albums like 2112, A Farewell to Kings, Hemispheres, Grace Under Pressure, Power Windows, Counterparts and even Roll the Bones would be good places to go next.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on September 08, 2011, 12:45:18 AM
Nobody's Hero, Alien Shore, and Cold Fire are crap.

Cold Fire and Nobody's Hero are awesome!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 08, 2011, 07:44:24 AM
I would go from MP and PW to an 80's or 90's album, for reasons stated in the previous page of this thread.  If you stick with 76-81 Rush, it will be harder to understand mid to late 80's Rush.  You should try Roll the Bones or Presto next - just so you can experience the other side of the spectrum.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on September 08, 2011, 08:07:39 AM
I am all for trying the other end of the spectrum, but, for God's sake, do NOT go with Presto next.  I know there is a small contingent of the fanbase that swears by it, but it is generally one of the least favorites by the fans AND by the band.  I would save that till the very end, along with Test for Echo. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 08, 2011, 09:11:32 AM
I am all for trying the other end of the spectrum, but, for God's sake, do NOT go with Presto next.  I know there is a small contingent of the fanbase that swears by it, but it is generally one of the least favorites by the fans AND by the band.


Incorrect.  This is categorically NOT one of the band's least favorites.  They dusted it off and brought out the title track Presto on the Time Machine tour.  And "The Pass" is one of their favorite songs.  Presto is musical gold, but it is very far from mainstream Rush, and doesn't sound like anything the band did 10yrs prior (or after).  It will take some time to assimilate, but you will certainly be rewarded for it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on September 08, 2011, 10:17:27 AM
Um, there is no arguing that Presto is generally one of the fan bases least favorite Rush albums. And although the band has stated they love The Pass, they've been lukewarm on other aspects of the album in the band's biographies and such.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 08, 2011, 10:22:36 AM
Um, there is no arguing that Presto is generally one of the fan bases least favorite Rush albums. And although the band has stated they love The Pass, they've been lukewarm on other aspects of the album in the band's biographies and such.


I'm not disagreeing about the fanbase.  Hell, much of the 'fanbase' (including Portnoy) abandoned Rush as they moved toward electronic sounds in the 80's.  I know that the band was not happy with the over-production of Presto (as with the other Rupert Hine album, RTB), but has always been very happy with the songs themselves.  
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on September 08, 2011, 10:44:35 AM
That's not true either.  In the Contents Under Pressure book, Peart stated how they felt like the songs didn't live up to their potential, and Geddy said how the songs were interesting, but not great, and how they don't look at that album and think, "This is our best work."  They even said that Roll the Bones had much stronger songs (as it was easy to compare the two since they had similar production, although RtB had a tad more oomph).  I think the fact that songs from the album have gotten very little live play since they reunited in the early 00s says a lot; The Pass was played on the VT tour, the title track was played on the Time Machine tour, and that's it.  
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 08, 2011, 01:37:38 PM
That's not true either.  In the Contents Under Pressure book, Peart stated how they felt like the songs didn't live up to their potential, and Geddy said how the songs were interesting, but not great, and how they don't look at that album and think, "This is our best work."  They even said that Roll the Bones had much stronger songs (as it was easy to compare the two since they had similar production, although RtB had a tad more oomph).  I think the fact that songs from the album have gotten very little live play since they reunited in the early 00s says a lot; The Pass was played on the VT tour, the title track was played on the Time Machine tour, and that's it. 


I don't disagree with what you have said here.  The band has been justifyably critical of aspects of the album.  And i agree with most that RTB has stronger songs.  But there is a difference between not thinking an album is "Our best work" and "this is one of our least favorite albums."  Plus, the members of Rush tend to change their opinions about their back catalogue as time goes on.  For example, Neil has stated several times over the past few years that he looks at MP as their "first" album.  Which pretty much discounts all of the genius recorded beforehand.  (After Presto was released, Neil thought it was their best album to date.  It was actually the only reason he agreed to tour - he wanted people to hear it).  And everyone knows how Alex felt about the band's synth-heavy work in the 80's.  So you have Peart discounting everything from the 70s, and Lifeson discounting most of the 80s.  And yet all 3 of them seem to agree that Stick it Out should be on the setlist tour after tour (blah)...

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on September 08, 2011, 06:22:22 PM
If I had a nickel for every time a musician called his newest album his best, I'd be sitting on a throne right now. :lol  Musicians always think their newest album is either their best or one of their best.  Hell, Alex Lifeson at one point thought Vapor Trails was Rush's best album. :eek :eek :eek

Also, Alex wasn't wild about the synth stuff at the time, but he has, by his own admission, come around to really liking a lot of that material.   

And it is not like Stick It Out has been on the setlist tour after tour, like you said.  It hadn't been played since 1997 until the Time Machine tour of the past year plus.  Granted, it was still an odd choice, but it's not like it has been a live mainstay of any kind.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on September 08, 2011, 07:37:05 PM
For some reason, I feel like I remember reading that in devising the set-list, each member was allowed to pick one or two songs that were "untouchable."  And I think "Stick It Out" was one of Geddy's because of the prominent bass part.  Not sure how Alex feels about the song, but I'm sure Peart doesn't view it as one of his lyrical masterpieces.  Anyway, if this recollection is accurate, and it may not be, then that means there wasn't even unified agreement on the song.

EDIT: BTW, I love "Stick It Out."  One of my favorites off an excellent, excellent record.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 08, 2011, 07:52:46 PM
If I had a nickel for every time a musician called his newest album his best, I'd be sitting on a throne right now. :lol  Musicians always think their newest album is either their best or one of their best.  Hell, Alex Lifeson at one point thought Vapor Trails was Rush's best album. :eek :eek :eek

Also, Alex wasn't wild about the synth stuff at the time, but he has, by his own admission, come around to really liking a lot of that material.  

And it is not like Stick It Out has been on the setlist tour after tour, like you said.  It hadn't been played since 1997 until the Time Machine tour of the past year plus.  Granted, it was still an odd choice, but it's not like it has been a live mainstay of any kind.

Yeah, i was going to say that.... Rush is one of those bands that always thinks their latest record is their best.  They do a good job convincing me too... but after a few years the threads come bare.

Wow - has it been that long since they had SIO on the setlist?  I'm getting old.  But you know why that song is etched in my Rush-concert memory?  Because the crowd cheering goes silent whenever they play it.  It's hard not to notice.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on September 08, 2011, 07:53:12 PM
Nobody's Hero, Alien Shore, and Cold Fire are crap.

I don't even.......  WAT?!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 08, 2011, 08:06:04 PM
And yet all 3 of them seem to agree that Stick it Out should be on the setlist tour after tour (blah)...


I think when i was typing this before i was getting it mixed up with that other piece of garbage that they insist on playing tour after tour - One Little Victory.  
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on September 08, 2011, 08:22:20 PM
Yeah, I wish they would ditch One Little Victory as well.  The intro is awesome, but the rest is pretty meh.  I suspect they have a personal fondness for it because of the significance.

I remember them talking years ago about how they each had one song (or was it two?) that they could put in the set list and the other two couldn't veto it.  I assume they still do it, but I just haven't seen or heard them talk about it in a long time.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on September 08, 2011, 09:16:05 PM
I remember them talking years ago about how they each had one song (or was it two?) that they could put in the set list and the other two couldn't veto it.  I assume they still do it, but I just haven't seen or heard them talk about it in a long time.
Maybe I just made my own logical jump in concluding "Stick It Out" to be one such song.

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on September 08, 2011, 09:29:41 PM
What are the other two picks then?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on September 08, 2011, 09:33:09 PM
I don't know if they've ever said, or even if they admitted "Stick It Out" was one.  I think I may have just assumed it was one because I knew of the practice and also because Neil IIRC kinda slammed it in Contents Under Pressure.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 09, 2011, 07:49:52 AM
I'm not a big Counterparts fan. It contains a few of the worst Rush songs ever. Cut to the Chase and Leave That Thing Alone are great, though. Why don't they play CTTC live?


Agreed - i always thought CTTC was the perfect live rocker.  I am mystified that they have never played it....
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on September 09, 2011, 07:35:29 PM
Can't believe no one mentioned this.

Not only is today the birthday of lonestar and hefdaddy, but it's also 29 years to the day Signals was brought to us.  I wasn't around then, but I bet there was much rejoicing. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 10, 2011, 08:00:03 AM
Something i can't figure out - in the documentary from last year, Geddy says that Power Windows was the "final and essential" blending of guitars and keyboards.  But HYF, Presto, and even RTB are full of them.  This statement confused me.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on September 10, 2011, 08:11:01 AM
I suspect he means that Power Windows was when they finally got it right, meaning the blending and balancing of guitars and keyboards together as lead instruments.   Yes, they were still on later albums,  but they were a bit too high and tinny on Hold Your Fire, and they started scaling them back on both Presto and Roll the Bones.
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Post by: King Postwhore on September 10, 2011, 08:29:30 AM
I suspect he means that Power Windows was when they finally got it right, meaning the blending and balancing of guitars and keyboards together as lead instruments.   Yes, they were still on later albums,  but they were a bit too high and tinny on Hold Your Fire, and they started scaling them back on both Presto and Roll the Bones.

I remember Geddy saying that the songs from Presto & RTB were much more rocking live and they wanted the live feel.  Hence CP. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on September 10, 2011, 08:31:50 AM
On the subject of live feel, if you saw them live on VT tour, how did the songs off of that turn out on stage?

I do not like the production on it, but the songs are good to great, and I imagine that they'd sound even better with just the trio, live, no overdubs, and no brickwall.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on September 10, 2011, 12:00:03 PM
On the subject of live feel, if you saw them live on VT tour, how did the songs off of that turn out on stage?

I do not like the production on it, but the songs are good to great, and I imagine that they'd sound even better with just the trio, live, no overdubs, and no brickwall.

I was lucky enough to see them play Ceiling Unlimited on the opening night of the VT tour in Hartford before they took it out of the set list.  (They were alternating it with Ghost Rider)

One Little Victory
Ceiling Unlimited
Ghost Rider
Secret Touch
Earthshine

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 10, 2011, 01:30:07 PM
In particular, Earthshine and Secret Touch were majestic onstage on the VT tour. 

I saw a few shows that tour, one of which was in Chicago wherein they completely botched La Villa.  Had never seen them botch before....
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on September 10, 2011, 06:24:08 PM
The Speed Of Love and Stick It Out are my least favorite from Counterparts.

If I recall correctly, I think Stick It Out was an Alex choice because of the "riffage."


I guess I'm one of the few that also considers Presto a favorite save for Superconductor.  Geddy has said (more than once on tours) that The Pass is a favorite and Geddy and Alex have said in a few interviews that the tour arrangement of Presto was fun to play as well. I doubt Neil would want to play Chain Lightning ever because he specifically mentioned during period interviews being partly inspired to write that by spending time with his daughter.

The band consensus seems to be that many of the Presto songs didn't really live up to their potential, but they might realize now (since they did play Presto) that other songs might be rearranged to their liking live and therefore played.

For whatever reason, I don't really think that the Presto era was a happy time for the band (though they've never came out and said exactly why). Many of the live shows that I've seen/heard (3 in person and a few dozen on audio/video) they just didn't seem very inspired.

And Alex flat out says I'm wrong with this quote from Much Music in 1990"
"Before Presto, we were pretty exhausted from our touring. We took a good break and got back into  that record with a lot of enthusiasum. And the tour that followed was probably one of the best tours we've ever done, it was paced well and we went to play really good parts of America. Not all of the good parts mind you, just some of the good parts!"


As far as Power Windows being the perfect blending of guitars and keys, I think he means that Hold Your Fire went over the edge with keyboards (This is discussed in the documentary -- interviews at the time quote Geddy saying Rush wanted to be "the world's smallest symphony orchestra").  At the time, I thought thought the band had painted themselves into a corner with the keyboards and they were either going to break up or go classical. That said, I love Alex's guitar work on Hold Your Fire. They went as far as they could go in that direction and had to pull back a little for Presto.

And as Kev has already said, Presto and Roll The Bones still had keyboards, but they weren't the primary focus and were basically used as seasoning.

I wouldn't mind if they played Vapor Trails from start to finish live but I know I'm in the minority with that thought. That was a great tour and the songs played live sounded so much better than the record.



Oh and Test for Echo is 15 years old today. If I didn't listen to this a week ago, I'd already be playing it now.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on September 10, 2011, 07:11:50 PM
TFE fifteen years old?  Now I feel dated...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on September 10, 2011, 07:13:02 PM
In addition, Signals will be 30 a year from yesterday! 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on September 10, 2011, 07:18:16 PM
Yeah, Signals doesn't having any bearing on how I feel about my age.  But I remember when TFE came out and I was in high school... and now that was fifteen years ago!!!  Oh well, I'm sure half the world feels the same way; we're all driven by aging in one way or another.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on September 10, 2011, 07:22:35 PM
The fact that Rush has only released studio 2 albums since TFE and 3 in my entire lifetime makes me feel born too late. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on September 10, 2011, 10:27:09 PM
I still find it bizarre that all three guys are on record as absolutely loving The Pass, yet they rarely play it.  Since reuniting, it was played on the VT tour and not a single time since.  Seems strange for a song they all love so much.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on September 11, 2011, 04:49:13 AM
I don't know Kev.  Sometimes it's good to let a song sit for a few tours.  I'd wish they would do that with songs like Tom Sawyer but the fringe fans would put up a stink.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on September 11, 2011, 07:56:15 AM
Tom Sawyer is too iconic and popular to not always play.  And that is fine by me.  I still enjoy the hell out of it every single time I see it. :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on September 11, 2011, 07:58:12 AM
I'm surprised they haven't gotten sick of playing Tom Sawyer.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on September 11, 2011, 07:59:51 AM
Tom Sawyer is too iconic and popular to not always play.  And that is fine by me.  I still enjoy the hell out of it every single time I see it. :metal

Oh I understand that but even Limelight and CTTH has been pulled.  It's just me being a spoiled Rush brat wanting to see different songs.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on September 11, 2011, 08:01:04 AM
As someone who's never seen Rush live, I'd be pissed if I saw them and they neglected Tom Sawyer. I suppose that makes me part of the problem. :p
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on September 11, 2011, 08:04:35 AM
I wish Rush would release the new album already! Maybe they should change the title of it to, Clockwork Democracy.

and as a fan who has seen Rush 37 times, I say they must always play Tom Sawyer. It would be wrong not to, imo.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 11, 2011, 08:05:04 AM
I am so tired of The Spirit of Radio, among others.  Tom Sawyer is great though, and thankfully will always be on the setlist.  But Rush has such a goldmine of a catalog... there are just SO many songs that would make real fans' dreams come true.  Alex is on the record saying he'd love to do a B-sides tour in smaller venues.  That would be the greatest gift to the fans who have been loyal for so many years.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on September 11, 2011, 08:07:29 AM
\
and as a fan who has seen Rush 37 times

Holy shit, Tick. Does anyone on DTF have your record beaten?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 11, 2011, 08:16:32 AM
Here's my dream B-sides tour (i am creating this off the cuff fyi.  Some of these aren't B-sides but they don't play them so they might as well be)

Cinderella Man
Circumstances (Yeah i know they already played it and it ROCKED!)
AFTK
Jacob's Ladder
Analog Kid (was great on VT tour)
Countdown
Afterimage (I know they probably won't play it but i LOVE this song.  So raw and emotional)
Kid Gloves
Emotion Detector
Lock and Key
Force Ten
Hand over Fist
Available Light
Big Wheel
Ghost of a Chance
Double Agent
Cut to the Chase


Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on September 11, 2011, 08:40:53 AM
\
and as a fan who has seen Rush 37 times

Holy shit, Tick. Does anyone on DTF have your record beaten?
I don't know. Maybe, King? He has been a diehard fan as well.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on September 11, 2011, 08:44:50 AM
Not related to Rush, but I saw Aerosmith one time and they didn't play Dream On. THAT was really weird.  :lol

I love Tom Sawyer, but honestly live it doesn't do much for me. The only complaint I have about Rush is they slow down a few of their songs, and I understand at their age and how extensively they tour, it is natural, but it completely kills the energy of the song for me.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 11, 2011, 08:50:11 AM
I think they have been making an effort not to slow down songs lately.  When i saw the Snakes and Arrows Tour, Limelight's tempo was painfully slow.  But on the TM tour, they brought it back up to normal speed.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on September 11, 2011, 08:53:05 AM
Agreed about Limelight on the S&A tour.  It was slowed down so much, it looked like Peart was playing the verses in slow motion.  I really didn't notice it when I saw the concert, but when I got the live DVD, it was pretty obvious. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on September 11, 2011, 11:48:54 AM
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and as a fan who has seen Rush 37 times

Holy shit, Tick. Does anyone on DTF have your record beaten?
I don't know. Maybe, King? He has been a diehard fan as well.

I think Ytse has us all.  I've seen them 28 times.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 11, 2011, 06:19:53 PM
One of my greatest regrets was not being able to afford decent seats on the Time Machine Tour. I was so far back, it almost felt like I wasn't even there. Don't get me wrong, it was still incredible, but anywhere with-in the first 20 rows was up in the $300 dollar range and it was just impossible at the time. It was my first Rush Concert and I loved it, But I swear, on the Clockwork Angels tour, I shall remedy that mistake. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on September 12, 2011, 11:26:38 PM
I still find it bizarre that all three guys are on record as absolutely loving The Pass, yet they rarely play it.  Since reuniting, it was played on the VT tour and not a single time since.  Seems strange for a song they all love so much.

Well, they played it on every tour since its release through the Vapor Trails tour (except for the Test for Echo Tour) and have not played it since.

My guess is that they have been recognizing/rediscovering their past over the last 15 years and it just got lost.

It's only been gone for three tours (although it seems longer because of the passage of time for both the Snakes and Arrows and the Time Machine Tours)

R30 was kind of the classic nostalgia tour whereas Snakes and Arrows had Snakes and Arrows songs (Which I loved, but others didn't) and The Time Machine Tour had Presto (which pretty much eliminated another song from that album being played).

It's also on the Rush In Rio set so there is not really a need for a live document (a weak argument because there have been other songs that have appeared on live albums more times and more frequently).


I think it just comes down to having too many cool songs and not enough time to play them. It wouldn't surprise me if it comes back for the next tour although I'd probably want to hear something else a bit more rare (or something else I'd like to hear more) because I've seen it whenever they've played it.





As far as Rush shows go, I used to have this committed to memory, but I think I'm at 37 or 38 (I'd have to check my stubs).

The set usually determines if I go more than once a leg. 



I'm kind of surprised nobody mentioned it was Neil's birthday yesterday.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on September 13, 2011, 12:08:31 AM
The Pass was not played on the CP tour.  Show Don't Tell was the only Presto song played on that tour. 

But I agree that it has probably gotten lost amongst all of the other older songs they have brought back since the 30th anniversary tour. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 13, 2011, 07:20:33 AM
I wonder what is going to happen to Rush as they get older.  Their setlist is very demanding, and the players are all perfectionists.  Despite some signs of aging, they all seem to agree that they are playing better now than ever - "peaking", if you will.  Neil is 59 now, and the others 58 - they are bound to start losing some dexterity very soon.  I wonder how they will handle that... if they will keep going or throw in the towel as soon as they feel that their abilities are declining...

For the record, I know that Neil thinks he is better now than ever.  And i wouldn't disagree with that - his learning curve continues to ascend and he's constantly absorbing new lessons.  But personally, i preferred Neil's playing from the early 80s.  His youthful drumming was so much more energetic and vital.  Sure, it was more linear, but that fit Rush perfectly. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on September 13, 2011, 11:37:03 AM
Interesting point about Neil and how his playing has changed over the years, and I agree with you.  Sure, he's a machine.  Precise, and what he plays always fits the music perfectly.  But going back and listening to stuff like "By-Tor and the Snow Dog" reminds us how impressive he was when he was a bag of youthful energy.  And he was just as precise then.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 15, 2011, 01:22:11 PM
Dunno if that had previously been posted or not, but here's a post on the a biker forum, from one "Richard S. Foster".  The author of "A Nice Morning Drive", the basis for Red Barchetta.  Apparently the Neil tried to reach him when they wrote the song, but Road and Track didn't have a current address for him.  Eventually Foster learns of the connection and contacts him.  They go for a ride together, between shows.  Extremely cool read.

https://www.bmwbmw.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=8693&hilit=drummer
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on September 15, 2011, 02:41:41 PM
Awesome!  I started reading the whole thing, but had to resort to just skimming partway through when I realized how long it was.  I read the original story "A Nice Morning Drive" back in the 80's, and wow, it's so cool that the guy who wrote the story actually got to ride with Neil.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 16, 2011, 06:21:00 AM
I thought so also.  A fantastic turn of events.  Very cool for that guy.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jingle.boy on September 16, 2011, 07:12:07 AM
Considering it's a top 2 song for me, that is very cool to hear.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on September 16, 2011, 08:46:33 AM
That was a really cool story!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on September 16, 2011, 04:25:02 PM
Can't believe no one mentioned this.

Not only is today the birthday of lonestar and hefdaddy, but it's also 29 years to the day Signals was brought to us.  I wasn't around then, but I bet there was much rejoicing.

Every Rush fan I knew at the time felt betrayed.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on September 16, 2011, 10:05:43 PM
"Betrayed" may be a bit too strong a word, but I know what you mean.  Rush added a little synth here and there starting with A Farewell to Kings and Hemispheres, then they became a regular part of the Rush sound with Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures.  As Signals came after a live album, people expected Rush to go in a new direction, as they had following the first live album.  But Signals seemed to embrace the keyboards even more, and many consider it the official start of the "keyboard era" of Rush.  There were a couple ways they could go, but most fans were not expecting them to continue in the direction they'd been going for the past few albums.

In retrospect, Signals is a fine album, and a lot of people like the 80's SynthRush sound.  But many were still reeling from Moving Pictures, an excellent album but with just about as much keyboards as old-school Rush fans (which were the only kind at the time) were comfortable with.  To most, Rush was still a standard power trio: Guitar, Bass, and Drums.  Yeah, if they wanted to dabble in synths, most people didn't have a huge problem with it, but some did, and more synths is not what people were expecting.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on September 16, 2011, 10:35:44 PM
Heh, you're right, I was simply being dramatic  :corn

Besides, "Every Rush fan I knew at the time" totaled 3.  I eventually did come 'round to Signals - the tunes were just too catchy - but it was never quite the same.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on September 17, 2011, 04:55:05 AM
What made people upset what that Alex's guitars were mixed down and the keyboards were in the forefront.  That's what they were going for.  Most were upset, including Alex but over time is won Rush fans over.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on September 17, 2011, 10:29:52 AM
Change is difficult.  I know, it's a cliché, but clichés are based in truth, and this one is definitely true.  I remember feeling like Geddy might be getting just a little bit too much spotlight.  Obviously as lead vocalist, and usually the only vocalist, he's already got a built-in minimum time in the spotlight.  Musically, the bass, guitar, and drums always had a great balance.  But adding keyboards, something Geddy obviously was into, upset that balance.  They were becoming "Geddy Lee and Rush" -- I even heard them announced that way on the radio a few times -- not cool.

To say that the guitars were pushed down in the mix in favor of the keyboards is a bit of an oversimplification, but that is what it came down to.  People liked the balance the way it was.  People loved Alex's guitar sounds and weren't really interested in the "new Rush" featuring walls of keyboards, especially since Geddy wasn't a particularly gifted keyboard player.  Sure, his patches were great, but he didn't program them, and despite the occassional lead line, it was mostly walls of Oberheim, often burying Alex's amazing guitar sounds.  I can understand Alex being discouraged by this.  Hell, I was too, and I'm a keyboard player.  I wanted to like SynthRush, but it took a while.

As it turned out, Rush was once again ahead of their time.  The 80's were definitely the decade of analog synths.  Most of the time, if you pull out a song from the 80's with keyboards, you can immediately identify it as 80's because of the sound.  Somehow 80's Rush doesn't sound dated like that to me.  Or maybe it's because I just hear Rush and don't hear the "80's sound".
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on September 17, 2011, 11:09:53 AM
No Bob, that came from Alex and Geddy.  They wanted the keyboards more prominent.  Alex has stated this many times in interviews. I like the fact that Rush always strives for something different but it is how people and even Alex at the time felt. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on September 17, 2011, 06:36:20 PM
Wait, I thought Alex was on record as saying he didn't like the heavy push towards keyboards... at the time.  It's only more recently that he's come around.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The King in Crimson on September 17, 2011, 07:00:52 PM
I thought he liked it at first, but as time went on he started to dislike how prominent they were becoming.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on September 17, 2011, 07:14:21 PM
Wait, I thought Alex was on record as saying he didn't like the heavy push towards keyboards... at the time.  It's only more recently that he's come around.

In the Rush: Beyond the Lighted Stage documentary, Alex does indeed say that he wasn't real happy with the increased emphasis on keyboards.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on September 17, 2011, 09:14:37 PM
No Bob, that came from Alex and Geddy.  They wanted the keyboards more prominent.  Alex has stated this many times in interviews. I like the fact that Rush always strives for something different but it is how people and even Alex at the time felt.

Exactly.

And according to the Jon Collins book Chemistry (unauthorised) in which Terry Brown was a prominent source (he also wrote the forward, such as it is)

Signals happened the way it did because the keyboards were done first because Geddy was more prepared than Alex was (which is pretty much historically typical).

Both Geddy and Alex agreed at the time that they wanted a more rhythmic approach for the guitar for Signals, but  when the time came to record Alex just wasn't ready with his parts so the keyboards got put in first and Alex ultimately had to work around that (brilliantly, I might add too).



It's funny, I remember a couple people at the time saying the the new Rush album sucked and that they "sold out."

I'm sure much of this sentiment formed when they saw them on tour that year.

Only two full songs from the '70s (Closer To The Heart and The Trees) were played and four others (The Temples of Syrinx, Xanadu, La Villa Strangiato and In The Mood) were played as a medley at the end before the encore.

I would imagine that a number of long time fans became a little pissed after witnessing a set focused heavily on songs from 1980(2), 1981 and 1982.


Of course I'd spoken with a few fans back in the late '80s (nobody since) that said that the band lost the plot after the first album and that album was the best thing they ever did.

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on September 17, 2011, 09:40:21 PM
Well then we have some conflicting stories here.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on September 17, 2011, 10:28:18 PM
Well then we have some conflicting stories here.

I'm not sure if I understand if there is any conflict. 


I think Signals is a completly different album from Moving Pictures (They went out of the way to avoid making Moving Pictures II. Neil has even said that they moved his drums to the other side of the room!)  Acoording to Terry Brown, the album "was ready to rock" based on demos that the band recorded (again from the Jon Collins book Chemistry) but the band was hell bent on doing something different and just went heavy on the keyboards. Terry Brown doesn't think he did enough to try and steer the band away from the heavy use of keyboards, according to that book.

If there was any anger out of Alex it happened gradually as the album was being made and probably culminated as soon as he heard what Signals sounded like. There was only the desire to try something different at the beginning. So, in retrospect, he may not like the results now, but unanimous goal to try something different and Alex not really being ready to finalize his guitars (according to the Collins book) were probably a major factor in how that part of Signals was composed.

I think the imbalance you speak of (the Geddy Lee and Rush part of it) had more to do with outside factors and not the band themselves.


What's funny is Geddy Lee showing up in all of those keyboard polls with the likes of Emerson, Wakeman and Downes which is obviously so ridiculously wrong. Even Geddy admitted that he was a bass player first, vocalist second and keyboardist a distant third. It's obsurd. You can probably count on one hand the amount of prominent keyboard solos that he's ever played.

Geddy took on keyboards initally as a way to expand their sound and then he kind of got hooked on the technology for a while through Hold Your Fire. (When he discovered that the band was getting trapped by the technology while they were on stage, which made performing a lot less fun.)



The '80s albums don't sound dated because the band didn't want to do anything that was trendy or current from the production side of things. I'm glad they had the forsight then to realize that that whole era in general was a garbage dumpster as far as production was concerned.




Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on September 17, 2011, 10:29:16 PM
From Beyond the Lighted Stage

Alex: "I loved the idea of the keyboards, when we first started.  I think as that part of our sound developed, there were times where we just got on the wrong track."  He's looking uncomfortable here.

Geddy: "Alex and I had so real disagreement of how profound the keyboards should be... (Power Windows) was the essential blending of keyboards and guitar to me, for Rush."

Alex: "With Power Windows I found it really, really difficult to work around how the keyboards were developing.  Why am I looking for a different place?  I shouldn't be looking for a different place.  What's going on with these keyboards?... it's not even a real instrument."
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on September 17, 2011, 11:13:26 PM
Okay then, not really conflicting, just really dependent on who you ask, and when you asked them. I can see how both Geddy and Alex would at first be into the idea of adding keyboards to their sound. Rush have always pushed for different directions, different musical ideas to explore. But I can also see how Alex would be less enthusiastic over time, finding himself fighting for space in ways he didn't have to before. And I never really thought about how Geddy might start feeling "trapped" by what he'd created. I've always admired how Rush tries to faithfully reproduce whatever they can in a live setting, especially how much they manage to do considering there are only three of them. But I can also see how that could be a problem. There are a few songs with so many layers and overdubs that you just can't do justice to the song properly, playing it live. The studio is a wonderful place for creating music, but in some ways it has to be treated almost as a separate medium. It almost becomes too easy to create things you just can't reproduce on stage.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Pols Voice on September 17, 2011, 11:19:16 PM
What's going on with these keyboards?... it's not even a real instrument."

I hope Mr. Zivojinovic said that in jest.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on September 17, 2011, 11:35:21 PM
What's going on with these keyboards?... it's not even a real instrument."

I hope Mr. Zivojinovic said that in jest.

He seemed somber in the video.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Pols Voice on September 17, 2011, 11:38:42 PM
Wow. :(

I will say that I like Rush's keyboard heavy period, but it was probably getting out of hand on HYF even though I enjoy that album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on September 17, 2011, 11:39:58 PM
Okay then, not really conflicting, just really dependent on who you ask, and when you asked them. I can see how both Geddy and Alex would at first be into the idea of adding keyboards to their sound. Rush have always pushed for different directions, different musical ideas to explore. But I can also see how Alex would be less enthusiastic over time, finding himself fighting for space in ways he didn't have to before. And I never really thought about how Geddy might start feeling "trapped" by what he'd created. I've always admired how Rush tries to faithfully reproduce whatever they can in a live setting, especially how much they manage to do considering there are only three of them. But I can also see how that could be a problem. There are a few songs with so many layers and overdubs that you just can't do justice to the song properly, playing it live. The studio is a wonderful place for creating music, but in some ways it has to be treated almost as a separate medium. It almost becomes too easy to create things you just can't reproduce on stage.

Yeah, I'm thinking it went down something like this:

Geddy:  Hey Alex, we're gonna add some keyboards.
Alex:  OK, cool, it will add some texture and give us a modern sound, really complement the guitar well.
Geddy:  Yeah, "complement"... interesting word.  Uh, just remember, um, I'm still figuring all this out, so don't quit your day job.
Alex:  What?  Geddy, this *is* my day job.
Geddy:  Fuck.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on September 17, 2011, 11:42:27 PM
Wow. :(

I will say that I like Rush's keyboard heavy period, but it was probably getting out of hand on HYF even though I enjoy that album.

I'd say amongst Rush's first 12, HYF is only stronger than Rush.  Though it's all good. 

Now, if you compare it to their stuff from 89-onwards, it's not too weak (by Rush standards).

I'd take it over LOL the Bones and most of Test for Sucko anyday!  Can't say I prefer it over Presto, though. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on September 17, 2011, 11:47:11 PM
AND THE THINGS THAT WE FEAR ARE A WEAPON TO BE  HELD AGAINST US
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Pols Voice on September 17, 2011, 11:49:27 PM
Alex fears keyboards.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on September 17, 2011, 11:50:55 PM
And it turns out Geddy was the enemy within.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on September 17, 2011, 11:53:38 PM
GEDDY HAS ASSUMED CONTROL
GEDDY HAS ASSUMED CONTROL
GEDDY HAS ASSUMED CONTROL
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on September 18, 2011, 12:25:28 AM
Okay then, not really conflicting, just really dependent on who you ask, and when you asked them. I can see how both Geddy and Alex would at first be into the idea of adding keyboards to their sound. Rush have always pushed for different directions, different musical ideas to explore. But I can also see how Alex would be less enthusiastic over time, finding himself fighting for space in ways he didn't have to before. And I never really thought about how Geddy might start feeling "trapped" by what he'd created. I've always admired how Rush tries to faithfully reproduce whatever they can in a live setting, especially how much they manage to do considering there are only three of them. But I can also see how that could be a problem. There are a few songs with so many layers and overdubs that you just can't do justice to the song properly, playing it live. The studio is a wonderful place for creating music, but in some ways it has to be treated almost as a separate medium. It almost becomes too easy to create things you just can't reproduce on stage.

That's pretty much it in a nutshell.
Both are enthused about running away from Moving Pictures, perhaps too enthused to the point where keyboards are dominating are justified as being OK because they are so different than what came before.


There were a lot of synths of Grace Under Pressure too, but at the same time that record is filled with dark, angry guitar and many of Alex's best guitar solos and moments that he's ever committed to tape (And count me among those who'd love to hear some stuff that wasn't ever committed to tape). The guitar/keyboard "battle," for lack of a better way to describe it, really accents the general (lyrical) theme of the album and I think that's one of the reasons it's one of the best albums they've ever done.

By the time of the Power Windows tour, they weren't all that concerned about reproducing everything live just as long as they could physically trigger what they need to on cue.

During the Hold Your Fire Tour, much of the show was dependent on them hitting triggers at specific times (which I guess would become pretty boring during a tour, needing to be at a certain place at a certain time probably drains some freshness from the show). The fun part of the Hold Your Fire show began with YYZ and continued through to the end.

Check out the A Show Of Hands DVD, Geddy especially seems like he's just gotten permission to rock after Territories....oh wait. They didn't put YYZ on the that DVD. OK...The Spirit Of Radio (after Neil's solo) both of them do a lot more roaming around on stage than the first two thirds of the concert.

I'm not sure Geddy even plays keyboards all that much anymore. He's colorcoded his keyboard to help him trigger many of the keyboard sounds and phrasings except for the obvious stuff that he might feel pressured to still play.

I think it was the Presto Tour when a bank of keyboards appeared at Alex's side for the first time to help take some of the "triggering" load off of Geddy.

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on September 18, 2011, 09:31:12 AM
I think all three of them have triggered stuff on stage at one point or another, although Geddy always had the bulk of them, but any time an actual keyboard is on Alex's side, that is for Time Stand Still since he plays the keys in the chorus of that song live.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 19, 2011, 07:40:31 PM
Couple of things about P/G:

1)  I'm pretty sure that i read a few times that the band was as close to breaking up during this period as they ever have been.

2)  Geddy says, when asked about P/G, that it was a reaction to the synth-heavy Signals, and that they probably went TOO FAR with the guitars on that album as a result. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on September 19, 2011, 07:41:42 PM
I always found P/G to be just as synthy, if not moreso, than Sigz.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 20, 2011, 07:07:44 AM
Agreed - that's why i posted that quote.  Was very surprised he said that....
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 20, 2011, 11:41:49 AM
Just listened to HYF the other day and I have to say, It really hit the spot quite nicely. I really do love Rush's synth-era, but I kind of have to be in the right mood though.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TempusVox on September 20, 2011, 02:25:52 PM
I had a couple of PM's asking me about this. Sent Ged a text asking if he wanted to contribute anything to this discussion.  :)

Reply: "Good grief! We were trying new things, had great toys to play with, and sometimes I got carried away. Don't let them write "keyboardist" on my marker."   :biggrin:

Then this: "Better they want to talk about the music and not the clothes. :-) "
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on September 20, 2011, 02:28:44 PM
Good answer!  :tup
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on September 20, 2011, 02:45:02 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on September 20, 2011, 02:49:04 PM
I had a couple of PM's asking me about this. Sent Ged a text asking if he wanted to contribute anything to this discussion.  :)

Reply: "Good grief! We were trying new things, had great toys to play with, and sometimes I got carried away. Don't let them write "keyboardist" on my marker."   :biggrin:

Then this: "Better they want to talk about the music and not the clothes. :-) "

 :lol  Ged has been saying that for year and that what I love about Rush.  They are not afraid to try other style and they are not afraid of failing.  they make music that they want to play.  It's served them well all these years.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on September 20, 2011, 02:52:12 PM
So... about those 80's clothes.  The videos.  Hmmm...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on September 20, 2011, 04:14:50 PM
The Synth era is for the most part amazing. Musically speaking, as was noted let's not talk about the clothes. :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on September 20, 2011, 04:16:32 PM
I'll take Signals through HYF over Rush through 2112, going by average amount of greatness.

I'd also take the Caress of Steel over 2112 and Hemispheres. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on September 20, 2011, 04:30:53 PM
I'll take Signals through HYF over Rush through 2112, going by average amount of greatness.

I'd also take the Caress of Steel over 2112 and Hemispheres.
This, sir, is madness.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 20, 2011, 04:32:07 PM
No, i agree.  I listen to 80's Rush more than any other era. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on September 20, 2011, 04:33:35 PM
I'll take Signals through HYF over Rush through 2112, going by average amount of greatness.

I'd also take the Caress of Steel over 2112 and Hemispheres.

*Head asplodes*  :omg:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on September 20, 2011, 04:35:19 PM
For me, Signals is okay, Hold Your Fire isn't great but has its moments, and Power Windows I can't even sit through (and I've tried many times). I'd basically take any era of Rush over Signals-Hold Your Fire (though Grace Under Pressure is good). I do like that they've always been so willing to try new things though.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 20, 2011, 04:37:07 PM
It is an acquired taste.  It takes a long time to appreciate it, but once you do, you'll never look back...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on September 20, 2011, 04:37:37 PM
What can I say, I love Sigs and P/G, and really dig much of PW.  Also, HYF, though probably their weakest of the first 12 besides Rush, has its fair share of good greatness. 

Also, I struggle to find 70s Rush songs I enjoy more than Bastille Day, Necromancer, and The Fountain of Lamneth. 

Aside from Xanadu, Cygnus I, 2112, and Hemi Side 2, not much from that era touches those 3. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on September 20, 2011, 04:43:10 PM
I don't find any of the synth-era albums bad, I just don't enjoy them as much as "old" Rush.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on September 20, 2011, 04:44:19 PM
It is an acquired taste.  It takes a long time to appreciate it, but once you do, you'll never look back...

I've been working on it since 1982.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TempusVox on September 20, 2011, 04:51:55 PM
Personally, Signals is close to being my favorite Rush album if only for the fact that it contains Subdivisions. That song is the anthem of my teenage youth. I can recall jamming to that song (it has spoken to me almost more than any other in my entire life) while cruising through the streets of my hometown. THAT song makes me a fanboy sometimes; and whenever I get on that soapbox, it freaks Geddy out   :lol . If someone would have told me in 1982 that I would one day call the members of that band some of my greatest, dearest, and closest friends- I would have probably had a heart attack and died, right then and there.  :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 20, 2011, 04:54:37 PM
Vox - i am somewhat new to this board.  Is there a prior thread somewhere that i can read to better understand your relationship with the band?  I did a search but couldn't find anything.  Thanks much
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 20, 2011, 04:57:07 PM
Personally, Signals is close to being my favorite Rush album if only for the fact that it contains Subdivisions.

Subdivisions may very well be my favorite Rush song. 
And Not only does Signals have Subdivisions, but also the hauntingly superb Losing it. When I discovered that song, it was shivers all over.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Pols Voice on September 20, 2011, 05:02:33 PM
I'll take Signals through HYF over Rush through 2112, going by average amount of greatness.

I'd also take the Caress of Steel over 2112 and Hemispheres.

I agree with the first statement.

Caress of Steel is actually my least favorite Rush album. Kind of messy. I do like Bastille Day and the first part of Lamneth, In the Valley, though.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on September 20, 2011, 05:22:59 PM
I always found P/G to be just as synthy, if not moreso, than Sigz.

It is, but the guitars are also very up front on G/P, resulting in a nice balance.  Signals had synths, but both the synths and guitars aren't up front enough.  Still a very good record, though!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on September 20, 2011, 06:34:28 PM
I'll take Signals through HYF over Rush through 2112, going by average amount of greatness.
Well that makes sense in fact I kinda agree.  Nothing majorly controversial there-

Quote
I'd also take the Caress of Steel over 2112 and Hemispheres.
WAT
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on September 20, 2011, 06:36:34 PM
P/G is an awesome album. Probably one of the best sounding 80s albums imo. Signals is ok but i've always viewed it as one of the lower albums in their "classic" years. However, with that said, Signals still has some badass tunes! Losing It is one of the best Peart lyrics imo.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on September 20, 2011, 06:48:32 PM
I'll take Signals through HYF over Rush through 2112, going by average amount of greatness.

I'd also take the Caress of Steel over 2112 and Hemispheres.

OK, now that I've sponged up the pieces of my asploded head and reconstructed it...

2112, the song, contains more awesomeness than the Internet can contain.   :hefdaddy

CoS - which I like quite a bit - over 2112 and Hemispheres?  Over Cygnus Pt2 and La Villa Strangiato?   :omg:

*Head re-asplodes*
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on September 20, 2011, 06:51:48 PM
Yes. 

Cygnus Pt 2 is good, but not as good as Fountain or Necromancer as an epic.  Plus, I preferred the first one.

Also, though La Villa Strangiato is very awesome, The Trees and Circumstances (while awesome) aren't as awesome as Bastille Day, and even if ITIGB and LP are a bit average, they're no better or worse than 2112 side 2. 

2112 the song is quite awesome, though. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on September 20, 2011, 06:52:30 PM
Hey temp, can you ask Lerxst if he wouldn't mind selling his Leisure Suit (a la ASOH) to me?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on September 20, 2011, 06:53:08 PM
Cup, your fail up to this point has been nothing compared to claiming Caress of Steel is better than Hemispheres.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on September 20, 2011, 06:55:50 PM
Well, what if I said that PW (the one with the hot chick on the cover) is my favorite prog album ever?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The King in Crimson on September 20, 2011, 07:50:31 PM
Cup, your fail up to this point has been nothing compared to claiming Caress of Steel is better than Hemispheres.
Yeah...

Caress of Steel is the only Rush album that I'd call 'bad,' even if it does have the awesome Bastille Day and the pretty good Lakeside Park.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on September 20, 2011, 07:56:24 PM
Well, what if I said that PW (the one with the hot chick on the cover) is my favorite prog album ever?

Then you still fail, because that title belongs to A Farewell to Kings.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on September 20, 2011, 08:09:18 PM
Well, what if I said that PW (the one with the hot chick on the cover) is my favorite prog album ever?

Predictable.

Well, what if I said that PW (the one with the hot chick on the cover) is my favorite prog album ever?

Then you still fail, because that title belongs to A Farewell to Kings.

You mean Hemispheres, right?  :P
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on September 20, 2011, 08:17:56 PM
A Farewell to Kings is my #1 album of all time and Hemispheres is my #2, can we simply agree that both are more amazing than bacon?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on September 20, 2011, 08:18:55 PM
A Farewell to Kings is my #1 album of all time and Hemispheres is my #2, can we simply agree that both are more amazing than bacon?

Man, I love bacon..................

OK.  :tup
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on September 20, 2011, 08:28:16 PM
If it's any consolation to you guys, I do actually prefer Farewell to Kings over CoS. 

It's a really awesome album. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on September 20, 2011, 11:47:05 PM
I had a couple of PM's asking me about this. Sent Ged a text asking if he wanted to contribute anything to this discussion.  :)

Reply: "Good grief! We were trying new things, had great toys to play with, and sometimes I got carried away. Don't let them write "keyboardist" on my marker."   :biggrin:

Then this: "Better they want to talk about the music and not the clothes. :-) "

 :lol  Ged has been saying that for year and that what I love about Rush.  They are not afraid to try other style and they are not afraid of failing.  they make music that they want to play.  It's served them well all these years.


Yup, I suppose that's the final word. I still can't believe that Geddy was polling right up there with Emerson, Wakeman and Downes (I need to dig some of the mags that have the polls) back then.


And for the record, on any given day I prefer Caress of Steel to 2112 and possibily the rest of the '70s albums. It just has an innocence of pushing boundaries that you really don't find on the other albums.

And Subdivisions is one song I never get sick of hearing.


For those who haven't heard....
More news:
 
NEW YORK, NY--(Marketwire - Sep 20, 2011) - Legendary rock band Rush have announced details for the first offerings through their recently announced partnership with Roadrunner Records. On November 8, Anthem/Roadrunner will simultaneously release a two-disc live album entitled "TIME MACHINE 2011: LIVE IN CLEVELAND" as well as "MOVING PICTURES: LIVE 2011" on vinyl and digital formats.
Captured in April at Cleveland's Quicken Loans Arena during the renowned trio's extensive Time Machine World Tour, "TIME MACHINE 2011: LIVE IN CLEVELAND" marks the band's first live album recorded at a U.S. show, a deliberate nod of gratitude to the first city to support Rush on its radio airwaves. The wildly popular tour featured a set filled with classic hits, fan favorites, and a glimpse into Rush's forthcoming 20th studio album "CLOCKWORK ANGELS." As a centerpiece for the concerts, the band performed their landmark album "MOVING PICTURES" in its entirety -- a first in the band's long and illustrious career. Rave reviews of the tour included The Hollywood Reporter's declaration that "the current Time Machine jaunt is nothing less than a must see... for nearly three hours, with intermission, Rush proved why it remains among rock's elite live acts." Full track listing for "TIME MACHINE 2011: LIVE IN CLEVELAND" attached below.
"MOVING PICTURES: LIVE 2011" marks the first live recording of the band's most successful album to date. Originally released in 1981, this year marks the 30th anniversary of "MOVING PICTURES," which features some of Rush's most well-known songs like "Tom Sawyer," "Limelight," and "YYZ."
In related news, Rush is also releasing "Time Machine 2011: Live In Cleveland" on BluRay and DVD formats on November 8 via Rounder Records in the U.S. and Eagle Rock Entertainment abroad. VH1 will be airing a 2-hour concert culled from the footage as part of their annual "Rushashana" program on September 29. This fall, Rush will be returning to the studio to resume work on their highly anticipated 20th studio album, "CLOCKWORK ANGELS" due out in 2012.
With more than 40 million records sold worldwide and countless sold-out tours, Rush -- Geddy Lee, Alex Lifeson, and Neil Peart -- is not only one of the most inventive and compelling groups in rock history, but remains one of the most popular. The RIAA has certified Rush for the third most consecutive gold/platinum studio albums by a rock band, topped only by the Beatles and the Rolling Stones. Rush's vast catalog includes such classics as 1974's self-titled debut, 1976's "2112," 1981's "MOVING PICTURES," 1996's "TEST FOR ECHO," and 2002's "VAPOR TRAILS." Rush's most recent studio album, 2007's "SNAKES & ARROWS," debuted at #3 on the Billboard 200, marking the band's highest chart debut since 1993, as well as their eleventh top 10 album in the U.S. In addition to their commercial success, Rush has also been recognized with a number of Juno Awards and multiple Grammy nominations, including one for the acclaimed documentary "Rush: Beyond The Lighted Stage" at this year's gala event. Enjoying a recent pop culture renaissance, Rush made a rare television appearance -- their first in over 30 years -- on Comedy Central's "The Colbert Report" and a memorable cameo in the film "I Love You, Man." A career-chronicling Rolling Stone feature summed up the renowned rock trio's continuing artistic vitality by observing, "It's true that Rush doesn't mean today what it did in '76 or even '96. It may mean more."
(TRACK LISTING BELOW)
RUSH
"TIME MACHINE 2011: LIVE IN CLEVELAND"
(ANTHEM/ROADRUNNER)
Available November 8th
DISC ONE
1. The Spirit Of Radio
2. Time Stand Still
3. Presto
4. Stick It Out
5. Workin' Them Angels
6. Leave That Thing Alone
7. Faithless
8. BU2B
9. Free Will
10. Marathon
11. Subdivisions
12. Tom Sawyer
13. Red Barchetta
14. YYZ
15. Limelight
DISC 2
1. The Camera Eye
2. Witch Hunt
3. Vital Signs
4. Caravan
5. Moto Perpetuo (featuring Love For Sale)
6. O'Malley's Break
7. Closer To The Heart
8. 2112 Overture/The Temples of Syrinx
9. Far Cry
10. La Villa Strangiato
11. Working Man



"O'Malley's Break"  I Effin LOVE it!
 
 
It also looks like this could be seeing a theatrical release before then too.
 
Damn --- November is going to be expensive....
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 21, 2011, 09:53:23 AM
I've no problem with their synth-y stuff.  Now obviously, I like some of it more than others.  My favorites from that era are probably Marathon and Mission.  I've yet to see Marathon live, but I have no doubt it would be one of the most awesome songs I'd ever see live.  I especially love the key change where it sounds like the freakin' heavens open up.  Amazing stuff.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on September 21, 2011, 11:06:34 AM
I've no problem with their synth-y stuff.  Now obviously, I like some of it more than others.  My favorites from that era are probably Marathon and Mission.  I've yet to see Marathon live, but I have no doubt it would be one of the most awesome songs I'd ever see live.  I especially love the key change where it sounds like the freakin' heavens open up.  Amazing stuff.

Mission's OK... Marathon is great.  Maybe the best Rush chorus ever?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on September 21, 2011, 11:08:46 AM
I've no problem with their synth-y stuff.  Now obviously, I like some of it more than others.  My favorites from that era are probably Marathon and Mission.  I've yet to see Marathon live, but I have no doubt it would be one of the most awesome songs I'd ever see live. I especially love the key change where it sounds like the freakin' heavens open up.  Amazing stuff.

Absolutely, the key change at the end of Marathon is one of the greatest moments in my musical library.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on September 21, 2011, 11:08:53 AM
I've no problem with their synth-y stuff.  Now obviously, I like some of it more than others.  My favorites from that era are probably Marathon and Mission.  I've yet to see Marathon live, but I have no doubt it would be one of the most awesome songs I'd ever see live.  I especially love the key change where it sounds like the freakin' heavens open up.  Amazing stuff.

Mission's OK... Marathon is great.  Maybe the best Rush chorus ever?

It sure got my vote :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on September 21, 2011, 11:45:34 AM
Seeing Marathon live with all those amazing effects was a fantastic experience.

But before we go any further let's let Will go into detail about it.   ;)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 21, 2011, 11:57:25 AM
It really is cool.  Whenever it comes on, by the end I'm sitting there, just awestruck.  No matter how many times I hear it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on September 21, 2011, 12:32:31 PM
I still can't believe that Geddy was polling right up there with Emerson, Wakeman and Downes (I need to dig some of the mags that have the polls) back then.

It was the times.  Prog was waning.  Neither Emerson nor Wakeman had done anything of note in a while (ELP was dead, Yes was on hiatus again), and Downes' claim to fame was Asia, basically a pop band with some prog roots but nothing really evident in their sound.  Meanwhile, Rush was hot, still had one foot firmly in prog, and those Oberheims did sound sweet.  Who's the keyboard player for Rush?  Geddy Lee?  Yay, he's my favorite keyboard player!

In the 70's, when Elton John was super hot and before it occurred to anyone to separate "Piano" from "Keyboards" in the polls, Elton John gave Emerson and Wakeman a run for their money as best "Keyboard Player".  Hey, I love Elton John, don't get me wrong, but I think him actually winning some of those polls is what prompted the split.

As for that press release, I'm still confused as to the distinction between "TIME MACHINE 2011: LIVE IN CLEVELAND" and "MOVING PICTURES: LIVE 2011".  Time Machine includes Moving Pictures in its entirety, so what would the separate release "Moving Pictures: Live 2011" be?  Just the album Moving Pictures and nothing else?  Why not spring for the whole concert?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on September 21, 2011, 12:32:46 PM
I've no problem with their synth-y stuff.  Now obviously, I like some of it more than others.  My favorites from that era are probably Marathon and Mission.  I've yet to see Marathon live, but I have no doubt it would be one of the most awesome songs I'd ever see live.  I especially love the key change where it sounds like the freakin' heavens open up.  Amazing stuff.

Mission's OK... Marathon is great.  Maybe the best Rush chorus ever?

It sure got my vote :hefdaddy

Yeah... looking thru my Rushography, Marathon's chorus is tops.  :hefdaddy

Sooooo........ since Rush is The Best Band Ever, and Marathon's chorus is their best chorus ever, is Marathon's chorus The Best Chorus Ever?  :justjen
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 21, 2011, 12:35:43 PM
No.  This is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsn4Gy1SLAk
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on September 21, 2011, 12:36:21 PM
In the 70's, when Elton John was super hot and before it occurred to anyone to separate "Piano" from "Keyboards" in the polls, Elton John gave Emerson and Wakeman a run for their money as best "Keyboard Player".  Hey, I love Elton John, don't get me wrong, but I think him actually winning some of those polls is what prompted the split.

Goodbye Yellow Brick Road is amazing.  If you gave it modern production gloss, I bet today's kids would eat it up.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on September 21, 2011, 12:37:46 PM
No.  This is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsn4Gy1SLAk

 :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on September 21, 2011, 12:48:19 PM
In the 70's, when Elton John was super hot and before it occurred to anyone to separate "Piano" from "Keyboards" in the polls, Elton John gave Emerson and Wakeman a run for their money as best "Keyboard Player".  Hey, I love Elton John, don't get me wrong, but I think him actually winning some of those polls is what prompted the split.

Goodbye Yellow Brick Road is amazing.  If you gave it modern production gloss, I bet today's kids would eat it up.

I love Goodbye Yellow Brick Road.  I have all the 70's Elton John and most of what he's done since then.  I'm don't know how popular it would be today, but when I hear some of the modern stuff that's based around voice and piano, it's not that different, so I could see it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on September 21, 2011, 01:48:46 PM
As for that press release, I'm still confused as to the distinction between "TIME MACHINE 2011: LIVE IN CLEVELAND" and "MOVING PICTURES: LIVE 2011".  Time Machine includes Moving Pictures in its entirety, so what would the separate release "Moving Pictures: Live 2011" be?  Just the album Moving Pictures and nothing else?  Why not spring for the whole concert?

Moving Pictures Live 2011 is a digital and vinyl only release, and I think it's purpose is just for those who want a vinyl version of their favorite album performed live, and the digital release is just for fun, probably because they can.

Ironically, the split between the two CDs of the Cleveland show is right where the vinyl-sides of MP split!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on September 21, 2011, 02:44:41 PM
Moving Pictures Live 2011 is a digital and vinyl only release, and I think it's purpose is just for those who want a vinyl version of their favorite album performed live, and the digital release is just for fun, probably because they can.

Got it.  I thought that's what it meant, but it still seemed rather oddly worded.

Ironically, the split between the two CDs of the Cleveland show is right where the vinyl-sides of MP split!

Yeah, I saw that too.  I actually find that rather unfortunate, as there might be times when I'd want to start at "Tom Sawyer" and let the live version of Moving Pictures play through.  But that cannot happen if you have to switch discs.  Maybe that's what got them thinking about releasing it separately, and ultimately led to the MP: LIVE 2011 release.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on September 21, 2011, 04:29:19 PM
Moving Pictures Live 2011 is a digital and vinyl only release, and I think it's purpose is just for those who want a vinyl version of their favorite album performed live, and the digital release is just for fun, probably because they can.

Got it.  I thought that's what it meant, but it still seemed rather oddly worded.

Ironically, the split between the two CDs of the Cleveland show is right where the vinyl-sides of MP split!

Yeah, I saw that too.  I actually find that rather unfortunate, as there might be times when I'd want to start at "Tom Sawyer" and let the live version of Moving Pictures play through.  But that cannot happen if you have to switch discs.  Maybe that's what got them thinking about releasing it separately, and ultimately led to the MP: LIVE 2011 release.

That was my conclusion too. In order to preserve the setlist's order, they had to split the set somewhere to fit it onto 2 CDs (as they have done in the last couple live sets, rather than 3), so they jammed all the songs together and the splitting point just HAPPENED to be between "Limelight" and "The Camera Eye". Very fitting, imo, and a great homage to the vinyl-era.

I'll probably end up getting MP:Live'11 for my iPod to listen to it straight through. If the songs are edited the same way as on the Time Machine Tour CDs, then theoretically, I could just substitute "Limelight" and "The Camera Eye" from the digital MP:Live'11 set into the Time Machine set on my iTunes, and the whole show could run seamlessly! Guess I'll have to wait and see in about 7-8 weeks...

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on September 21, 2011, 04:45:30 PM
It is definitely hard to beat Marathon for best Rush chorus ever, but they have so many great ones, I can't even imagine putting them in any order.

I still wish they would have saved Marathon for the 2nd set.  That song deserves to be played when it is dark out, so the light show can really flourish.  It was still light out when they played it at many shows, and that took away from it a little bit.  Seeing it on A Show of Hands was definitely a life-changing experience for me as far as being a music fan goes.  I wish I could go back to the fall of 1991 again.  :coolio
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 21, 2011, 06:55:15 PM
On the topic of ASOH, I have been listening to a bootleg from 1988 from Birmingham, AL.  It is awesome - the band is just so tight.  And Neil has that energy that i mentioned a few pages back in this thread.  Marathon, Lock and Key, Mission... really an awesome show from an awesome era.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on September 21, 2011, 07:15:09 PM
Marathon, Manhattan, Middletown, and Mystic Rhythms are why PW is my favorite post P/G album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 21, 2011, 07:19:51 PM
Power Windows... brought to you by the letter "M"
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on September 21, 2011, 07:24:46 PM
Power Windows was a great tour.  I got to see The Steve Morse Band and Marillion open up for Rush plus I met Geddy on that tour and shook his hand.  I was so star struck I forgot about him signing my ticket.  DOH!!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on September 21, 2011, 09:48:48 PM
Power Windows was a great tour.  I got to see The Steve Morse Band and Marillion open up for Rush plus I met Geddy on that tour and shook his hand.  I was so star struck I forgot about him signing my ticket.  DOH!!

Understandable, dude.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on September 21, 2011, 10:37:08 PM
Power Windows... brought to you by the letter "M"

You're welcome. :coolio

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on September 21, 2011, 11:05:25 PM
LOL, I was playing outside with my dog and had the greatest idea. 

Since we were talking so much about Marathon, and my dog loooves running around the pool (usually chasing me and my apparently delicious pants), I plugged my iPod into some compatible  speakers outside, and we had a marathon around the pool to Marathon. 

T'was fun, if exhausting (we ran for the whole song at near full pace the whole time).  I won, despite his superior speed, because I ran the whole time, while he spent most of it lying in the grass. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on September 24, 2011, 01:22:03 AM
I still can't believe that Geddy was polling right up there with Emerson, Wakeman and Downes (I need to dig some of the mags that have the polls) back then.

It was the times.  Prog was waning.  Neither Emerson nor Wakeman had done anything of note in a while (ELP was dead, Yes was on hiatus again), and Downes' claim to fame was Asia, basically a pop band with some prog roots but nothing really evident in their sound.  Meanwhile, Rush was hot, still had one foot firmly in prog, and those Oberheims did sound sweet.  Who's the keyboard player for Rush?  Geddy Lee?  Yay, he's my favorite keyboard player!


I imagine that's how it went down.



Looks like I'm doing the Rush - Live in Cleveland Hat trick.

I'll be watching the two-hour edit on Rushashana, the watching whole thing on the big screen Oct. 26 (once theaters are announced at https://www.rushtimemachinepremiere.com/  ) and buying my copy the weekend before it comes out.

Of course, Nick has all of us one better.



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Ironically, the split between the two CDs of the Cleveland show is right where the vinyl-sides of MP split!

-Marc.

No irony about that. It was intentional.




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dbrroks22:

On the topic of ASOH, I have been listening to a bootleg from 1988 from Birmingham, AL.  It is awesome - the band is just so tight.  And Neil has that energy that i mentioned a few pages back in this thread.  Marathon, Lock and Key, Mission... really an awesome show from an awesome era.


Not too familiar with this one (might have it on tape which would explain a lot). I should look to see if I have it. I haven't been listening to those mid-to-late '80s shows much over the last several years for whatever reason, but whenever I do I'm always impressed by how much they really nailed what they were doing. NOBODY was doing that then. Even tribute bands rarely touch that stuff (and Mission isn't all that hot on that Magna Carta disc).

I'm not sure if i ever really appreciated that era live as much as I probably should have when it happened. I guess I wasn't an experienced enough listener to really pick out the subtleties.

Neil didn't really start to swing until he studied with Freddy Gruber. I know there there was a lot more energy in the past, but I really like the way he plays now too. That's not to say I wouldn't ever listen to the solo on that first tour or the one from Permanent Waves. (If it's energy you're looking for from senior drummers, how about checking out the Carl Palmer Band?)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 24, 2011, 06:53:49 AM
A work associate gave me this 1988 bootleg some years ago.  I swear it sounds better than some recorded albums.  I don't know how the boot came out so perfect.  They guy told me that it was a pretty famous bootleg. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on September 24, 2011, 07:54:09 AM
A work associate gave me this 1988 bootleg some years ago.  I swear it sounds better than some recorded albums.  I don't know how the boot came out so perfect.  They guy told me that it was a pretty famous bootleg. 

What's it called?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on September 24, 2011, 08:21:09 AM
Seeing Marathon live with all those amazing effects was a fantastic experience.

But before we go any further let's let Will go into detail about it.   ;)

lol.

Joy in it's purest form. I really can't describe how I felt. But when I heard those first 3 notes, nothing else in the world mattered.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 24, 2011, 09:06:39 AM
He burned a copy for me - it just says Live in Birmingham, 1988
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on September 24, 2011, 12:42:39 PM
He burned a copy for me - it just says Live in Birmingham, 1988

OH, Birmingham, ENGLAND! (I was confused when you typed Alabama)

That's essentially the full A Show Of Hands show, right?

As I recall, it's a mix of the A Show of Hands CD/DVD and adds Lock And Key from the Laserdisc.

If you can point me in the direction of the tracklist, I'd be able to tell right away if it was the whole show.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 24, 2011, 01:05:02 PM
It was definitely the whole show... and i didn't even realize it was England, thanks!  Returning your PM>
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 24, 2011, 07:48:30 PM
Man, as much as i love DT, it's really hard to listen to their lyrics after listening to Rush...

"When the dust has cleared
And victory denied
A summit too lofty
River a little too wide
If we keep our pride
Though paradise is lost
We will pay the price,
But we will not count the cost "
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on September 24, 2011, 08:51:40 PM
Well, something like "Voices" stands up well compared to Rush lyrics.  "The Count Of Tuscany?"  Not so much!

Though I guess we can always make a little fun of Neil for:

"Net boy,
Net girl
..."
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 24, 2011, 10:34:00 PM

Though I guess we can always make a little fun of Neil for:

"Net boy,
Net girl
..."

Yeah, that was pretty horrible, wasn't it?  :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on September 24, 2011, 10:35:50 PM
It took me a Dog Year to get over that boehner.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on September 24, 2011, 10:37:12 PM

Though I guess we can always make a little fun of Neil for:

"Net boy,
Net girl
..."

Yeah, that was pretty horrible, wasn't it?  :lol

Still better than...

"Dog years - It's the season of the itch
Dog years - With every scratch it reappears
Dog years - For every sad son of a bitch
Dog years - With his tail between his ears"

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on September 24, 2011, 10:38:13 PM
T'was so bad, I thought I was going bald!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on September 25, 2011, 03:57:15 AM
Yeah, but "Dog Years" was written as a joke, and IIRC when Neil was drunk or at least drinking.  The "Virtuality" chorus is just so cheesy -- though I still  love the song for that wicked guitar lead.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on September 25, 2011, 05:20:40 AM
Well, reading all this I'll need to play T4E today!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on September 25, 2011, 06:12:10 AM
Man, as much as i love DT, it's really hard to listen to their lyrics after listening to Rush...

"When the dust has cleared
And victory denied
A summit too lofty
River a little too wide
If we keep our pride
Though paradise is lost
We will pay the price,
But we will not count the cost "


:hefdaddy

"I clutch the wire fence until my fingers bleed
A wound that will not heal
A heart that cannot feel
Hoping that the horror will recede
Hoping that tomorrow, we'll all be free"

DT isn't known for their stellar lyrics though lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 25, 2011, 07:18:26 AM
Neil's brain operates on a frequency above the rest of us mortals...


There is tic and toc in atomic
Leaders make a deal
The cosmic is largely comic
A con they couldn't conceal

There is no safe seat at the feast
Take your best stab at the beast
The night is turning thin
The saint is turning to sin

Raise the art to resistance
Danger dare to be grand
Pride reduced to humble pie
Diamonds down to sand

Take heart from earth and weather
The brightness of new birth
Take heart from the harvest
Shave the harvest from the earth

Reasoning is partly insane
Image just an eyeless game
The night is turning thin
The saint is turning to sin
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on September 25, 2011, 08:32:13 AM
"Some are born to move the world
To live their fantasies
But most of us just dream about
The things we'd like to be
Sadder still to watch it die
Than never to have known it
For you, the blind who once could see
The bell tolls for thee..."

 :hat
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on September 25, 2011, 09:23:53 AM
"Some are born to move the world
To live their fantasies
But most of us just dream about
The things we'd like to be
Sadder still to watch it die
Than never to have known it
For you, the blind who once could see
The bell tolls for thee..."

 :hat

Man I would love to see that live.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The King in Crimson on September 25, 2011, 09:27:36 AM
"I clutch the wire fence until my fingers bleed
A wound that will not heal
A heart that cannot feel
Hoping that the horror will recede
Hoping that tomorrow, we'll all be free"

DT isn't known for their stellar lyrics though lol
God, I love that song.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on September 25, 2011, 10:06:59 AM
"Some are born to move the world
To live their fantasies
But most of us just dream about
The things we'd like to be
Sadder still to watch it die
Than never to have known it
For you, the blind who once could see
The bell tolls for thee..."

 :hat

That song, along with The Pass, have my favorite Rush lyrics. So brilliant/beautiful.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: carl320 on September 25, 2011, 02:43:39 PM
I'm slowly adding to  my Rush collection.  Bought Fly by Night today, so now I have everything (studio albums at least) from FBN to Hold your Fire.   :D

"Some are born to move the world
To live their fantasies
But most of us just dream about
The things we'd like to be
Sadder still to watch it die
Than never to have known it
For you, the blind who once could see
The bell tolls for thee..."

Such a great song.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on September 25, 2011, 03:39:01 PM
"If the future's looking dark
We're the ones who have to shine
If there's no one in control
We're the ones who draw the line
Though we live in trying times
We're the ones who have to try
Though we know that time has wings
We're the ones who have to fly...
"
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: senecadawg2 on September 25, 2011, 07:20:36 PM
Quick, help me out! To all you who are knowledgeable about Rush's whole catalog (not just the big hits). Give me the top 5 albums and the top 15 songs! I'm just getting into it, and I like it all. Trying to find the songs that are considered the best. Thanks
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on September 25, 2011, 07:35:45 PM
Permenant Waves
Moving Pictures
Power Windows
Snakes & Arrows
2112

That should cover all the bases as far as the albums goes.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 25, 2011, 07:38:55 PM
Quick, help me out! To all you who are knowledgeable about Rush's whole catalog (not just the big hits). Give me the top 5 albums

1. 2112
2. Hemispheres
3. A farewell to Kings
4. Moving Pictures
5. Power Windows (for a little diversity)






Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 25, 2011, 07:40:55 PM
Quick, help me out! To all you who are knowledgeable about Rush's whole catalog (not just the big hits). Give me the top 5 albums and the top 15 songs! I'm just getting into it, and I like it all. Trying to find the songs that are considered the best. Thanks

You're probably going to get a different answer from everyone here.  Start with Moving Pictures, and then Permanent Waves.  Most people will agree on those.  Then, if you like the more "raw" and hard rock side of Rush, move backward in time to 2112.  If you like the synthesizers, move forward to Signals.  Then you can fill in the rest as your budget allows.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on September 25, 2011, 07:42:47 PM
1. Permanent Waves
2. Signals
3. A Farewell To Kings
4. Moving Pictures
5. Grace Under Pressure

I say Rush Peaked from 77-84.

Still, all of the first 13 albums range from good to fan-fucking-tastic!

From 991 onwards, they ranged from very good (Counterparts and Vapor Trails) to mostly crap (Roll The Bones). 

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Post by: jammindude on September 25, 2011, 08:03:10 PM
1. Hemispheres
2. Permanent Waves
3. Power Windows
4. Moving Pictures
5. A Farewell to Kings/Signals/Test For Echo/Snakes and Arrows

Songs

1. Cygnus X-1 (Part one is on AFTK, part 2 is the title track of Hemispheres...both pieces make one complete song)

...more songs in chronological order...

What You're Doing
By-Tor and the Snow Dog
Best I Can
The Necromancer
I Think I'm Going Bald
2112
A Farewell to Kings
Xanadu
Cinderella Man
La Villa Strangiato
Jacob's Ladder
Natural Science
Red Barchetta
Camera Eye
Subdivisions
The Analog Kid
The Weapon
Grand Designs
Manhattan Project
Territories
Middletown Dreams
Prime Mover
Driven
The Color of Right
Time and Motion
Ghost Rider
Armor and Sword
The Larger Bowl
Malignant Narcissism
The Main Monkey Business
Hope
Faithless
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Post by: dbrooks22 on September 25, 2011, 08:11:40 PM
I don't know HOW Shaq can recommend Vapor Trails over Roll the Bones.  That is ridiculous beyond ridiculous. 

and i don't know how jammindude can leave out everything but "Prime Mover" between 87-93, and recommend songs from Test For Echo?  The Color of Right - are you serious??
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Post by: MasterShakezula on September 25, 2011, 08:14:14 PM
Roll the Bones is tired adult contemporary to me.

Vapor Trails, if not as good as much of early Rush, is still a fun and rocking attempt at Alt-rock, and has some real killers. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 25, 2011, 08:19:12 PM
OK, i understand that criticism.  But Roll the Bones is Rush's bestselling album since Moving Pictures, and the band (and I) considers it their best songwriting in the past 25yrs.  We all know the production is lacking, but you cannot, CANNOT call it "mostly crap." 

And by the way, i mostly agree about them peaking between 77 and 84. 
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Post by: MasterShakezula on September 25, 2011, 08:21:10 PM
Aside from the first 2 songs and the instrumental, it does nothing for me.  Nothing.

And really, just because something is high selling, that doesn't make it excellent. 

I mean, really, think of some of the weak-ass acts that managed to push out 2x Platinum albums around 90-92. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 25, 2011, 08:24:07 PM
I think Roll the Bones is Rush's second best album behind Moving Pictures.  People have a hard time because it sounds nothing like the Rush they love.  OK - i get it.  But my points stand.
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Post by: Pols Voice on September 25, 2011, 08:26:38 PM
I like Roll the Bones waaaay more than Vapor Trails. Of course VT's production is a mess, but even if that's improved, the album is just bloated and a chore to listen to all at once.
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Post by: The King in Crimson on September 25, 2011, 08:27:08 PM
1. Moving Pictures
2. Grace Under Pressure
3. Permanent Waves
4. A Farewell To Kings
5. Counterparts

My Top 15 Songs (In No Particular Order):
1. Subdivisions
2. Red Barchetta
3. Natural Science
4. 2112
5. Red Sector A
6. La Villa Strangiatto
7. Anthem
8. Bastille Day
9. By-Tor and the Snow Dog
10. Armor and Sword
11. Freewill
12. Jacob's Ladder
13. Kid Gloves
14. Limelight
15. Xanadu
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Post by: contest_sanity on September 25, 2011, 08:29:58 PM
Aside from the first 2 songs and the instrumental, it does nothing for me.  Nothing.
"Ghost Of a Chance" does nothing for you? 

You are a sad, strange little man, and you have my pity...
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Post by: skydivingninja on September 25, 2011, 08:33:01 PM
Quick, help me out! To all you who are knowledgeable about Rush's whole catalog (not just the big hits). Give me the top 5 albums and the top 15 songs! I'm just getting into it, and I like it all. Trying to find the songs that are considered the best. Thanks

Moving Pictures
A Farewell to Kings
Power Windows
Permanent Waves
Counterparts

My Top 15 songs (in no order)
Natural Science
Limelight
2112
Red Barchetta
Freewill
Marathon
Subdivisions
Xanadu
A Farewell to Kings
Vital Signs
Leave That Thing Alone
Bravado
Bastille Day
Tom Sawyer
YYZ

Just listen to all the albums.
Roll the Bones is tired adult contemporary to me.

Vapor Trails, if not as good as much of early Rush, is still a fun and rocking attempt at Alt-rock, and has some real killers. 
No, and maybe.
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Post by: Pols Voice on September 25, 2011, 08:37:53 PM
I'll just list my favorite song from each album.

Working Man (I haven't heard the rest of the album, but I don't care to)
By-Tor and the Snow Dog
Bastille Day
2112
A Farewell to Kings
La Villa Strangiato
Natural Science
Tom Sawyer
The Analog Kid
Distant Early Warning
Marathon
Prime Mover
Chain Lightning
Dreamline
Cut to the Chase
Driven
Vapor Trail
The Main Monkey Business
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on September 25, 2011, 09:05:43 PM
Wow....really have to disagree with the defense of Roll the Bones.   I really enjoyed Presto...but Roll the Bones was TERRIBLE.   I'll do you one better.  I actually LOVE the first three songs, Ghost of a Chance and Where's my Thing.   The other 5 songs make up my top five WORST Rush songs in their catalog.  Yes I'm serious, no I'm not kidding.  Yes...they are all far worse than Rivendell, Dog Years, Virtuality or whatever other commonly hated Rush song you can come up with.  It's that bad. 

IMO of course.... :P

As a matter of fact...I can't think of any other Rush songs that I *actively* dislike except those five.
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Post by: skydivingninja on September 25, 2011, 09:13:50 PM
I'll just list my favorite song from each album.

Working Man (I haven't heard the rest of the album, but I don't care to)

Fix that.  Its quite good.
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Post by: KevShmev on September 25, 2011, 11:09:07 PM
Roll the Bones is a very good record.  I have always liked it more than most seem to.  The well-known songs are all great, and I dig gems like Heresy (one of their most underrated tunes ever) and The Big Wheel.  Plus, when you listen to the record from start to finish, even the average songs like Face Up and You Bet Your Life sound pretty good.  It is a great listen from start to finish, bottom line.
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Post by: TempusVox on September 26, 2011, 12:26:21 AM
As for great lyric...

They say there are strangers who threaten us
Our immigrants and infidels
They say there is strangeness too dangerous
In our theaters and bookstore shelves

Those who know what's best for us
Must rise and save us from ourselves

Quick to judge, quick to anger
Slow to understand
Ignorance and prejudice
And fear walk hand in hand
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: WildeSilas on September 26, 2011, 12:32:16 AM
Farewell to Kings
Moving Pictures
Counterparts
Signals
Presto

Actually, what I'd REALLY recommend is getting Rush Chronicles or a few Retrospective discs and check out the various Rush "eras" - there are essentially four of them and they are quite different at first listen. In other words, don't listen to 2112 and assume you won't like other stuff because Test for Echo or Hold Your Fire (for example) are much more accessible in some ways. Your affinity for keyboards vs. guitar has a lot to do with how you should first approach Rush as well. If I'd heard Signals or Power Windows first, I would have never listened to anything else by them. Luckily as a metalhead, I discovered Counterparts first and was able to work my way backwards toward the more proggy and keyboard heavy stuff and appreciate their development as I went.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on September 26, 2011, 12:47:17 AM
Quick, help me out! To all you who are knowledgeable about Rush's whole catalog (not just the big hits). Give me the top 5 albums and the top 15 songs! I'm just getting into it, and I like it all. Trying to find the songs that are considered the best. Thanks

I'll go a different route and give you what I feel is the best album from each of the band's five "periods" (of 4 album-groups)
Pre-Prog: 2112
Prog-Era: Hemispheres
Synth-Era: Power Windows
Post-Synth: Counterparts
Modern: Snakes & Arrows (granted only 2 albums count for this, but S&A slightly edges VT, but I feel CA will slay both)

I say sample each era of Rush and work your way around it, or complete whichever era you like the most.

-Marc.
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Post by: Zydar on September 26, 2011, 03:29:25 AM
My Top 5 after one year of being a Rush fan:

Moving Pictures
A Farewell To Kings
2112
Permanent Waves
Power Windows
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 26, 2011, 07:56:54 AM
Farewell to Kings
Moving Pictures
Counterparts
Signals
Presto

Actually, what I'd REALLY recommend is getting Rush Chronicles or a few Retrospective discs and check out the various Rush "eras" - there are essentially four of them and they are quite different at first listen. In other words, don't listen to 2112 and assume you won't like other stuff because Test for Echo or Hold Your Fire (for example) are much more accessible in some ways. Your affinity for keyboards vs. guitar has a lot to do with how you should first approach Rush as well. If I'd heard Signals or Power Windows first, I would have never listened to anything else by them. Luckily as a metalhead, I discovered Counterparts first and was able to work my way backwards toward the more proggy and keyboard heavy stuff and appreciate their development as I went.


Wilde - your posts are always great.   PRESTO  :hefdaddy
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Post by: Orbert on September 26, 2011, 10:29:51 AM
Ditto.  Something that comes up often, but probably cannot be repeated enough, is that Rush has always been truly progressive in the sense that their music has constantly evolved over time.  They keep trying new things, their sound keeps changing, their very approach to songwriting and recording has even had a few experiments along the way.

Therefore there is no single Rush album to start with, and the idea that someone would ask for five albums to check out is encouraging.  It definitely makes sense to sample each of the different eras, multiple times if necessary.  (In other words, if you can't find something by Rush that you like, you're not trying hard enough!)
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Post by: carl320 on September 26, 2011, 11:02:25 AM
I have to agree with the Retrospective/Chronicles route in discovering Rush.  I first bought the two Retrospectives (before the third one was released) and found I really dug the 80s sound.  So I started with Moving Pictures and Signals.  Since then the bands earlier output has grown on me, even though I'm still partial to the 80s sound.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on September 26, 2011, 08:33:36 PM
Well. Thanks for all the advice. I'm currently listening to A Farewell to Kings and Hold your fire. I really like Force Ten, although that doesn't seem to be too popular as none of you listed that particular song.
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Post by: Orbert on September 26, 2011, 09:23:37 PM
I like Force Ten.  There's just so many albums, and so many great songs.
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Post by: carl320 on September 26, 2011, 09:29:14 PM
Force Ten is alright.  Hold Your Fire is a very good album though.  Prime Mover, Time Stand Still and Open Secrets  :tup
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Post by: skydivingninja on September 26, 2011, 10:14:05 PM
Well. Thanks for all the advice. I'm currently listening to A Farewell to Kings and Hold your fire. I really like Force Ten, although that doesn't seem to be too popular as none of you listed that particular song.

I love Force Ten, but there are just so many good songs.

I think Hold Your Fire is one of their worst though, along with Vapor Trails and Test For Echo, so don't give up if you don't like it.
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Post by: MasterShakezula on September 26, 2011, 10:49:39 PM
Weird thing, there's this Rush forum where Hold Your Fire is considered better than pre 2112 Rush, and also anything they did after Moving Pictures.   :huh:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on September 26, 2011, 10:54:44 PM
No Rush forum worth its salt thinks any album after Moving Pictures is any good.  C'mon now.
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Post by: MasterShakezula on September 26, 2011, 11:00:40 PM
You better of just happened to forget to make that text green. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The King in Crimson on September 26, 2011, 11:10:33 PM
No Rush forum worth its salt thinks any album after Moving Pictures is any good.  C'mon now.
Yeah, once they added all dem keyboards, shit just got gay.

:neverusethis:
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Post by: contest_sanity on September 26, 2011, 11:12:49 PM
No Rush forum worth its salt thinks any album after Moving Pictures is any good.  C'mon now.
Yeah, once they added all dem keyboards, shit just got gay.
"The Anal-log Kid."
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Post by: MasterShakezula on September 26, 2011, 11:17:54 PM
I must say, the artwork for CP was rather phallic. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The King in Crimson on September 26, 2011, 11:22:12 PM
No Rush forum worth its salt thinks any album after Moving Pictures is any good.  C'mon now.
Yeah, once they added all dem keyboards, shit just got gay.
"The Anal-log Kid."
:lol
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Post by: jammindude on September 26, 2011, 11:52:18 PM
I can tell where this is going...so I'll go first.

1. Hemispheres
2. Permanent Waves
3. Power Windows
4. Moving Pictures
5. Test For Echo
6. Signals
7. A Farewell to Kings
8. Snakes and Arrows
9. Grace Under Pressure
10. Rush
11. Caress Of Steel
12. Fly By Night
13. 2112
14. Presto
15. Counterparts
16. Hold Your Fire
17. Vapor Trails
18. Roll the Bones

If you're wondering why I put 2112 so low, it's because side 1 is brilliant, and side 2 is just so-so...doesn't do much for me.  I think the album as a whole is over-rated.
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Post by: dbrooks22 on September 27, 2011, 07:21:45 AM
Hold Your Fire is a great album.  But again, it doesn't sound like the Rush that many people love, so it gets thrown under the bus.  Some of my favorite tracks:  Mission, Lock and Key, Force Ten, Prime Mover. 
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Post by: poespas on September 27, 2011, 07:24:06 AM
did anyone hear this quite 'unexpected' cover? :huh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHsQCArNzk0
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Post by: WildeSilas on September 27, 2011, 09:21:58 AM
I never recommend 2112 (or DT's SFAM) because it's so dense that a new listener comes away with the idea that Rush is requires too large an investment if time. Which is a real shame when you consider how many 4-5 minute, catchy, pop songs they have on albums like Presto and Counterparts. Seems better to me to start slow and short and then learn to appreciate the epics - I was certainly ready for some 15-20 minute tunes after hearing Signals and Test for Echo. Almost like, "oh wow, you mean they play even LONGER??!!"
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Post by: dbrooks22 on September 27, 2011, 09:32:40 AM
i never listen to 2112.  The ONLY reason i recommended it above is because it is so popular with so many people.  But i never got into it. 

There - i've said it.
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Post by: KevShmev on September 27, 2011, 09:33:44 AM
I can tell where this is going...so I'll go first.

1. Hemispheres
2. Permanent Waves
3. Power Windows
4. Moving Pictures
5. Test For Echo
6. Signals
7. A Farewell to Kings
8. Snakes and Arrows
9. Grace Under Pressure
10. Rush
11. Caress Of Steel
12. Fly By Night
13. 2112
14. Presto
15. Counterparts
16. Hold Your Fire
17. Vapor Trails
18. Roll the Bones

If you're wondering why I put 2112 so low, it's because side 1 is brilliant, and side 2 is just so-so...doesn't do much for me.  I think the album as a whole is over-rated.

Test For Echo all the way up at number 5 is much more of a WTF, especially considering you have all of the other albums released in that time span at or near the bottom.  To each their own...;) :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: WildeSilas on September 27, 2011, 09:44:08 AM
2112 and Grace Under Pressure are actually my least favorites. Test for Echo is the shit, ya'll need to recognize.
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Post by: jammindude on September 27, 2011, 11:03:01 AM
I can tell where this is going...so I'll go first.

1. Hemispheres
2. Permanent Waves
3. Power Windows
4. Moving Pictures
5. Test For Echo
6. Signals
7. A Farewell to Kings
8. Snakes and Arrows
9. Grace Under Pressure
10. Rush
11. Caress Of Steel
12. Fly By Night
13. 2112
14. Presto
15. Counterparts
16. Hold Your Fire
17. Vapor Trails
18. Roll the Bones

If you're wondering why I put 2112 so low, it's because side 1 is brilliant, and side 2 is just so-so...doesn't do much for me.  I think the album as a whole is over-rated.

Test For Echo all the way up at number 5 is much more of a WTF, especially considering you have all of the other albums released in that time span at or near the bottom.  To each their own...;) :biggrin:


I'm always amazed at the raised eyebrows I get for loving that album.   The only thing I ever hear people talk about are the lyrics.   Admittedly, Dog Years and Totem are low points in the album....but the rest of it is absolutely full of some of the best riffs Alex and Geddy have ever written.    All 5 of the first 5 tracks are flawless classics in my book.   Then 6 and 7 are a little lame, and then Virtuality absolute MELTS MY FACE OFF!  Quite possibly one of the most kick ass riffs I've ever heard Alex play.   Even thinking about it sends a chill up my spine.   

Test For Echo succeeded in accomplishing that Counterparts "tried too hard" to do. 

EDIT: If I had to put these into tiers...I would say that the top 7 are my "untouchable"...near perfect... :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy albums.   S&A through Counterparts are all my "really excellent" B+ efforts.    The bottom three are the ones I hardly ever listen to (save a few tracks that I love)....HYF could almost be in the middle tier...but it was the first Rush album to ever have what I consider to be a "skip track"...and it had a couple of them.  Vapor Trails is unlistenable just for the production alone.   The songs are good, but I just can NOT listen to it.    Also, there are a couple of songs where they mixed Geddy's yodeling to sound like Slim Whitman.  (picture me as an alien from Mars Attacks!).    And then Roll the Bones is just....bad.
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Post by: contest_sanity on September 27, 2011, 11:40:03 AM
I love TFE as well, and I think it is vastly underrated, but I would never put it above Counterparts.  Also, that "Virtuality" riff is one of Alex's best.  I don't really play guitar, but that riff seems like it would be a beast to play.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on September 27, 2011, 11:42:01 AM
Rush overlooked for the hall yet again, let the bitching commence!
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Post by: KevShmev on September 27, 2011, 12:02:01 PM
Rush fans whining about them not making the Hall every year is annoying and embarrassing.

jammingdude, wait, you love Test for Echo, but Totem (which, to me, is easily one of the only memorable tunes on the record) is lame? :eek :eek

Like I said, to each his own.

And while TFE is not one of Peart's best collective efforts from a lyrical standpoint, that really has little to do with my opinion of it.  The sound of the album overall is just very clunky, and the songwriting is very uneven and all over the place.  Almost every song has some good parts, but many of them don't come together to make great songs.  Yes, the riff in Virtuality is awesome, but the rest of the song is merely good.  And no one will ever convince me that Time and Motion is anything other than complete crap.  WORST RUSH CHORUS EVER.
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Post by: King Postwhore on September 27, 2011, 12:39:03 PM
I was never enamored to Time & Motion.  It never clicked with me.  Now Totem is a killer song.  I would love to see them do that live.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on September 27, 2011, 12:46:14 PM
Virtuality is great, I love the riff and the chorus is very catchy. Yeah, the lyrics sound incredibly dated, but did any of you guys hate them back when the track came out?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 27, 2011, 01:42:04 PM
Virtuality is great, I love the riff and the chorus is very catchy. Yeah, the lyrics sound incredibly dated, but did any of you guys hate them back when the track came out?

This is a good point.  When T4E was released, i felt similar to jammindude:  "Test For Echo succeeded in accomplishing [w]hat Counterparts "tried too hard" to do."

But for some reason, as the years have gone by, T4E has faded.  I don't know why.  I still love some of the tracks, but i never want to put the CD in. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Pols Voice on September 27, 2011, 05:08:12 PM
Test for Echo is good. The only two songs I don't like much are Dog Years and Carve Away the Stone, the latter just being dull.

Here are my weird album rankings:

1. Permanent Waves
2. Presto
3. Grace Under Pressure
4. Hemispheres
5. Roll the Bones
6. Moving Pictures
7. A Farewell to Kings
8. Test for Echo
9. Signals
10. Hold Your Fire
11. Fly by Night
12. Power Windows
13. Snakes and Arrows
14. 2112
15. Counterparts
16. Vapor Trails
17. Caress of Steel
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on September 27, 2011, 09:48:08 PM
power windows is far too low
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on September 27, 2011, 10:05:08 PM
Counterparts succeeded in being an amazing heavy alt-rock album.  Test For Echo fell flat on its face trying to be the same kind of thing while shoving in lyrics about technology and tribal thingies. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Pols Voice on September 28, 2011, 12:15:06 AM
power windows is far too low

It isn't bad. I especially like Marathon, The Big Money, and Mystic Rhythms.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on September 28, 2011, 12:18:45 AM
You forgot the other 2 M songs.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Pols Voice on September 28, 2011, 12:39:10 AM
Eh, they're okay, Manhattan Project being the better one. Middletown Dreams isn't very memorable to me.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on September 28, 2011, 07:15:12 AM
Eh, they're okay, Manhattan Project being the better one. Middletown Dreams isn't very memorable to me.

If you saw Middleton Dreams live like I did you wouldn't say that.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on September 28, 2011, 01:40:26 PM
MD is my favorite off of Power Windows.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on September 28, 2011, 03:41:09 PM
MD is my favorite off of Power Windows.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on September 28, 2011, 03:45:35 PM
Middletown Dreams is my least favorite off Power Windows.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on September 28, 2011, 03:47:41 PM
I would go with Emotion Detector though the guitar solo is killer.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on September 28, 2011, 03:55:24 PM
My least is Grand Designs. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on September 28, 2011, 03:58:17 PM
My least is Grand Designs.

Believe it or not, it was an encore song on the PW tour.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 28, 2011, 06:51:05 PM
am watching Marathon from the Time Machine Tour on VH-1 Classic right now.  Awesome.  Will air again in the early a.m. for those with DVRs
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on September 28, 2011, 07:25:10 PM
I took in a few minutes but I want to keep it fresh when I buy it on Blu Ray.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on September 28, 2011, 08:20:43 PM
I might get shit for this, but Mystic Rhythms is my least favorite on the album. I love it live though, so compared to the live version the studio version seems flat to me.

And Middletown Dreams is amazing. I remember one day about 4 years ago when I was on a trip with my family, I listened to Middletown Dreams over and over on my MP3 player for an hour. Great lyrics.  :D
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on September 28, 2011, 08:27:50 PM
I might get shit for this, but Mystic Rhythms is my least favorite on the album.

Same

but that's like saying it's 9.7/10 instead of 10/10
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on September 28, 2011, 08:33:53 PM
I might get shit for this, but Mystic Rhythms is my least favorite on the album.

Same

but that's like saying it's 9.7/10 instead of 10/10

Yup!

Also I might have said this before, but I had a paper on "The Catcher in the Rye" due my junior year of high school. I needed to fill up the remaining 1/3 of the page so I just quoted Emotional Detector and talked about how amazing it is while attempting to somehow loosely tie it to the book.  :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Pols Voice on September 28, 2011, 08:35:46 PM
My least fave is Emotion Detector. It's another song I can't remember much. I guess I should listen to that album more. Mystic Rhythms is cool because it's hypnotic and also unique for Rush. I liked seeing it live, but somehow I get the feeling other people aren't too into it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on September 28, 2011, 08:37:41 PM
We all knew it would come to this

Marathon
Middletown Dreams
Big Money
Grand Designs
Territories
Manhattan Project
Emotional Detector
Mystic Rhythms

Spectacular album!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on September 28, 2011, 08:51:24 PM
OH GOODY!  I wanna play to!!   ;D


Territories
Manhattan Project
Middletown Dreams
Grand Designs
Marathon
Mystic Rhythms
Emotion Detector
Big Money

Top 5 are all 10/10....actually the top 4 are 11/10.   The next two are 9/10, and Big Money is 8/10.  I still love it though.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on September 28, 2011, 09:28:47 PM
Big Money is my least favorite.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on September 28, 2011, 09:31:13 PM
Middletown Dreams
Marathon
Big Money
Mystic Rhythms
Manhattan Project
Emotion Detector
Territories
Grand Designs
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on September 28, 2011, 10:22:41 PM
All of PoW is great, and picking a least favorite almost seems unfair. :(
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: carl320 on September 28, 2011, 10:52:07 PM
Big Money is my least favorite.

This.  Mystic Rhythms is my favorite off PW.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on September 28, 2011, 11:02:25 PM
Quick, help me out! To all you who are knowledgeable about Rush's whole catalog (not just the big hits). Give me the top 5 albums and the top 15 songs! I'm just getting into it, and I like it all. Trying to find the songs that are considered the best. Thanks

You're probably going to get a different answer from everyone here.  Start with Moving Pictures, and then Permanent Waves.  Most people will agree on those.  Then, if you like the more "raw" and hard rock side of Rush, move backward in time to 2112.  If you like the synthesizers, move forward to Signals.  Then you can fill in the rest as your budget allows.


I almost never get involved in suggesting anything because I will always say start at the beginning and move forward because I think that with Rush more than almost any other band it's about the journey. (It's all out there. On the job training. And I'd include all the live albums sprinkled in the correct order).

During the the Mercury/Polygram years the progress is almost directly linear.  And after a small step back to refocus it continues with he Atlantic years.




Count me among those Test For Echo lovers, but I can't say there  is an album that I don't like. I even enjoy Feedback in moderation.

I don't know if I'd put Test For Echo in my top 5, but I consider it to be a classic. 
 
The only songs I'm not all that enthused about are Test for Echo and Carve Away The Stone.
Are there some lyrical headturners on that album? Sure.  But I'd put Totem, Half The World, Driven, Time And Motion, Resist and The Color Of Right up against the best that Rush has ever done.



Least favorite song on Power Windows for me is probably Manhattan Project although I quite like it.






Love to hear Grand Designs brought back live since it's been 25 years since I've last experienced it that way.


One more word on the Birmingham Hold Your Fire show from 1988.
I'd have to listen to it closely, but if it's just a compilation of the A Show of Hands CD and DVD then most of the show is Birmingham. However, there are tracks on the A Show Of Hands CD that were recorded in other US cities so it would just be a hybrid set From the Hold Your Fire Tour.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on September 28, 2011, 11:06:37 PM
And damn that Live in Cleveland DVD looks awesome!

I was originally bummed that it was going to be cut, but that just leaves undiscovered stuff for the big screen October 26.

So far the closest place I've found that is showing it Oct. 26 is Center Valley, PA but there has got to be somewhere else closer announced soon.


Happy Rushashanah Everyone!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on September 29, 2011, 03:56:26 AM
Big Money is my least favorite.
Mine too.

It's hard to rank the songs from one of the best albums of all time, but I'll give it a shot:

Marathon
Middletown Dreams
Mystic Rhythms
Manhattan Project (yeah, the Ms truly are incredible)
Territories
Grand Designs
Emotion Detector
Big Money
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Curious Orange on September 29, 2011, 07:53:48 AM
Top 5 Rush albums?

Rush In Rio
Snakes and Arrows Live
Different Stages
Exit Stage Left
Alll the World's a Stage

 :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on September 29, 2011, 10:24:20 PM
Here's a toughie: rank your least favorite songs from every Rush studio album in order (1 being your favorite of the least bests, and 18 being your least favorite of the least bests):

1. Different Strings
2. Vital Signs
3. Circumstances
4. Something for Nothing
5. Emotion Detector
6. Stick It Out
7. Red Lenses
8. Countdown
9. Spindrift
10. Second Nature
11. You Bet Your Life
12. The Stars Look Down
13. I Think I'm Going Bald
14. Madrigal
15. Take a Friend
16. War Paint
17. Rivendell
18. Time and Motion
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on September 29, 2011, 11:30:52 PM
^^^^

LOVE this idea....let me try...

I want you to know that this was *REALLY REALLY* hard.   Some albums felt like a crime to pick anything...some albums it was a chore to pick which one I hated the most.

But here it goes.

1. Entre Nous
2. Circumstances
3. Vital Signs
4. Emotion Dectector
5. The Enemy Within
6. In The Mood
7. Lakeside Park
8. A Passage to Bangkok
9. Rivendell
10. Madrigal
11. Hand Over Fist
12. Lock And Key
13. Good News First
14. The Speed Of Love
15. Nocturne
16. Digital Man
17. Dog Years
18. You Bet Your Life
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Post by: Pols Voice on September 30, 2011, 01:00:55 AM
1. Different Strings
2. Circumstances
3. Anagram (For Mongo)
4. Red Lenses
5. Lock and Key
6. Madrigal
7. Emotion Detector
8. Countdown
9. Dog Years
10. Neurotica
11. Rivendell
12. The Twilight Zone
13. I Think I'm Going Bald
14. Freeze
15. Witch Hunt
16. Faithless
17. Nobody's Hero
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on September 30, 2011, 03:34:22 AM
10. Second Nature
12. The Stars Look Down
14. Madrigal
16. War Paint
Great songs.  :'(

But a cool idea, lets give it a shot:
1. Entre nous
2. Kid gloves
3. Lessons
4. Circumstances
5. Presto
6. The Big money
7. The Necromancer
8. Freeze
9. A Farewell to kings
10. Digital man
11. The Speed of love
12. Vital Signs
13. Malignant narcissism
14. Dog years
15. You bet your life
16. Tai Shan
17. Take a friend
18. Rivendell
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on September 30, 2011, 09:11:50 AM
Two people in a row think Freeze is the worst song from Vapor Trails???   :omg:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ryzee on September 30, 2011, 09:21:07 AM
I'm bummed that so many people think Circumstances is the worst tune on Hemispheres!  That's one of my favorite Rush tunes ever.  I get it though, it's pretty much impossible to name a "worst" tune on that album.  Gun to my head though I'd probablly go with The Trees, because like I said I love Circumstances and there's no way you could go with the title track or La Villa.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on September 30, 2011, 09:43:04 AM
I'm bummed that so many people think Circumstances is the worst tune on Hemispheres!  That's one of my favorite Rush tunes ever.  I get it though, it's pretty much impossible to name a "worst" tune on that album.  Gun to my head though I'd probablly go with The Trees, because like I said I love Circumstances and there's no way you could go with the title track or La Villa.

THIS.   I had such a tough time.  It almost felt like sacrilege choosing anything from that album.   It's just 4 10/10 songs period.   In the end, it was a coin toss between The Trees and Circumstances for reasons you mentioned.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 30, 2011, 10:16:44 AM
This is an interesting concept.  I'm not going to rank the worst tracks from each album, but it's interesting nonetheless that the same songs are coming up - meaning we can objectively identify bad songs.  I think maybe we should have a survivor for the worst Rush songs of all time.  Any takers?

These would definitely be on my list:

Neurotica
Time and Motion
Dog Years
Speed of Love
The Stars Look Down (i had a gag reflex just thinking about this one)
Stick it Out
Out of the Cradle
We Hold On
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on September 30, 2011, 10:20:11 AM
Both Freeze and Nocturne showing up as someone's least favorite from VT makes me a sad panda. :(

Circumstances is good, but the other three songs from Hemispheres are just too great for it to compare. 

As far as worst Rush song ever goes, to me, it comes down to my bottom three:

Time and Motion
War Paint
Rivendell

All three of those songs should be thrown into the abyss, never to be heard from again.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 30, 2011, 01:19:54 PM
Kev - what do you think about doing a worst Rush song survivor?  You've done all those Album of the Year polls...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on September 30, 2011, 03:52:03 PM
1.  Circumstances
2.  Vital Signs
3.  Different Strings
4.  Emotion Detector
5.  Something For Nothing
6.  Countdown
7.  Time And Motion
8.  Out Of The Cradle
9.  Spindrift
10.  Heresy
11.  Red Lenses
12.  The Speed Of Love
13.  Tai Shan
14.  Scars
15.  Madrigal
16.  Take A Friend
17.  Rivendell
18.  I Think I'm Going Bald
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on September 30, 2011, 04:06:34 PM
I've seen a few people mention "Spindrift."  I was pretty surprised that Rush released this song as a single (although since Cparts they have been releasing far too many weak songs as singles - Far Cry notwithstanding).  Anyway, after a few listens, i decided that as much as i dislike the first half of the song, the second half is really good.  It's almost a different song altogether. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on September 30, 2011, 04:09:29 PM
Spindrift and Time And Motion have that same vibe to me.  I just think they're ok.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on September 30, 2011, 07:51:00 PM
Easier than I thought. Really it's only the bottom 6 or so that don't do much for me:

Maybe I just have too many listening hours on each album but Caress Of Steel to Hold Your Fire were really hard then it got really easy until Vapor Trails where it became hard again.

1. Entre Nous
2. Circumstances
3. Bravest Face
3. Freeze
4. Red Sector A
5. A Passage To Bangkok
6. Manhattan Project
7. Countdown
8. I Think I'm Going Bald
9. Red Sector A
10. Time Stand Still
11. Limelight
12. Closer To The Heart (This isn't here if it's live)
13. Superconductor
14. Fly By Night
15. The Speed Of Love
16. Carve Away The Stone
17. Crossroads
18. Need Some Love
19. Face Up


I just finished listen to one of my vinyl copies of Power Windows. The remastered CD never really captures the warm low end attack on this one. Definately one of my favorites sonically.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on September 30, 2011, 08:00:27 PM
I remember getting Power Windows a day early.  I had an in with a record shop.  I spun that album a thousand times.  I don't have a record player anymore I wish I did still.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on September 30, 2011, 08:17:11 PM
I remember getting Power Windows a day early.  I had an in with a record shop.  I spun that album a thousand times.  I don't have a record player anymore I wish I did still.

First Rush album (vinyl) I ever bought on release day.

When Hold Your Fire was released, I bought the vinyl AND the CD because I had my CD player by then and I wanted to keep collecting all of the vinyl.

I have to say that I've probably haven't listened to Hold Your Fire (vinyl copy) all that much because I don't think it sounds as good as the original release of the CD.
I should probably spin that again soon to see if anything has changed.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 30, 2011, 08:17:27 PM
I'm just going to go right in order, but the trend still goes most favorite to least favorite anyway.

1.                (Love all of the first album)
2. Rivendell
3. I think I'm going bald
4. Tears
5. Madrigal
6. The Trees (almost impossible to pick a least favorite off of Hemispheres)
7. Free Will
8. The Camera Eye (just a tad bit too long) especially live
9. Countdown
10. Kid Gloves
11. Manhattan Project
12. Tai Shan
13. Superconductor
14. You Bet your life 
15.                     (Love all of Counterparts)
16. Dog Years
17. Out of the Cradle
18. We hold on
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on October 02, 2011, 04:48:36 PM
Looks like they have a partial list released of where they are showing the concert on the big screen.


https://www.rushtimemachinepremiere.com/

The only concern seems to be if it's going to be the whole show of the VH1 Classic Edit.

It's a no brainer for me to go if it's the whole show.
If it's the edit, I just might wait a week and enjoy the whole thing in my own home.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Curious Orange on October 03, 2011, 09:01:19 AM
...I don't think it sounds as good as the original release of the CD.


Man, I wish I still had that CD. I replaced them all with the remasters a few years ago, and the remastered HYF sounds like sh1t next to the original issue. Every other remaster is better (some only slightly, some enormously) but HYF is worse. Go figure. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on October 03, 2011, 02:01:31 PM
So who else here is pumped up for Clockwork Angels? Rush's 3rd studio album in 10 years! Woooooo...

...Seriously, though, I've been waiting all year for this and even though they've toured and delayed the making of the album, but I think having the band on their "tour-game" will make the rest of the album more exciting, and the 2-track single from last year was exciting enough!

If "Caravan"/"BU2B" is any indication as to where the songwriting is going on this album, I'm very anxious to hear what else they can do. They are definitely flexing their progressive muscles in a way that has only been hinted at on VT and S&A, so I hope they take the chance to show us what they've got on the rest of the songs!

I'm also looking forward to Neil's lyrics, and the over-all "concept" of the steam-punk era that he has about it. I love the idea of making an conceptual album based on the steam-punk genre! I hope Neil explore's some unique points-of-view within this framework and gives us some really exciting lyrics (which have gotten better since TFE, his VT lyrics were very touching and personal, while his S&A lyrics were more general yet still quite emotional in many aspects). I don't think Neil will move away from more emotional/personal lyrics, but it seems his lyrics on this album may be more world-encompassing, more along the lines of his lyrics from the 80s, more philosophical and less personal perhaps?

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on October 03, 2011, 06:19:18 PM
I want a release date. NAO
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on October 03, 2011, 06:20:47 PM
I have no idea when it'll come out, but I bet it'll be way longer from now than you or I are willing to wait. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on October 03, 2011, 08:01:18 PM
I've been waiting 4 years already. It's already too long
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on October 04, 2011, 03:46:46 AM
It's already too long

Hehe
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on October 04, 2011, 08:31:42 AM
It's already too long

Hehe

"Some men are longer than others"
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on October 04, 2011, 09:06:32 AM
TBH, I don't really care at the moment because it keeps getting delayed. However, once they start posting release date info, I will be excited. Really loved the two new songs they showcased last year.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on October 04, 2011, 10:48:03 AM
For me, the most irritating thing isn't even how much they've pushed back the release; it's how long we've gone at this point without any kind of update regarding the album. I mean, it was originally supposed to come out in late 2010/early 2011, and now here we are in late 2011 with no end in sight.
I know they decided to do a bunch of extra touring, and it's great that the tour went so well (I'd probably be more understanding if they'd had a Halifax tour date), but this is getting a bit silly.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on October 05, 2011, 07:56:11 AM
I am on board with the two previous posts; call me when the album is finished and release date is set, and then I'll get excited. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on October 05, 2011, 08:25:18 AM
Yeah, same here. I mean deep down I'm super excited, I just need something solid to bring that excitement to the surface.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on October 05, 2011, 08:48:51 AM
For me, the most irritating thing isn't even how much they've pushed back the release; it's how long we've gone at this point without any kind of update regarding the album. I mean, it was originally supposed to come out in late 2010/early 2011, and now here we are in late 2011 with no end in sight.
I know they decided to do a bunch of extra touring, and it's great that the tour went so well (I'd probably be more understanding if they'd had a Halifax tour date), but this is getting a bit silly.

Last I heard/read, which was about two weeks ago, the band would enter the studio this month to finish the album, so assuming it'll take 4-5 months to mix and master the album, I could see them releasing it in spring, like around March.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on October 07, 2011, 07:31:33 PM
Kev Schmev (and anyone else who cares), this is for you. (You can't hang this on Alex -- this time.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bFKzmR999M


Re: Clockwork Angels

I'll probably start getting excited about Clockwork Angels when it's in my hands. There are SO many other things to be excited about at the moment.



This really doesn't excite me either (although it was a little more that I was expecting...I suppose they thought that they should start offering at least a carrot or two with these), but i'm sure some of you will be taking the plunge.

From Rushisaband:
On November 21st, Universal Music Enterprises (UMe) celebrates the legacy of Canadian rock trio Rush with the release of three separate six-disc box sets which together spans their entire historic Mercury Records recording career.

 Each 'Sector' contains five of their 15 Mercury albums in chronological order, all transferred to high resolution 96kHz/24-bit and digitally remastered for optimal quality.

In addition, each volume includes an exclusive booklet packed with unpublished photos, original album lyrics and credits, and features one album from each set specially remixed on DVD in high resolution 96kHz/24-bit, 5.1 surround sound and stereo, compatible with both DVD-Audio players and DVD-Video players.

 Each album is packaged in a replica vinyl mini-jacket of the original album release with all three box sets forming a Rush CD road case.

SECTOR 1: Rush - All The World's A Stage, and on DVD in 5.1, Fly By Night

SECTOR 2: A Farewell To Kings - Exit Stage Left, and on DVD in 5.1, A Farewell To Kings

SECTOR 3: Signals - A Show Of Hands, and on DVD in 5.1, Signals



I'll admit I'm a little curious about this, but I'll be waiting for a heavy discount.

I'd be interested to know if the band either oversaw or signed off on these mixes. It's possible that Rich Chycki did them a few years back (when Vapor Trails was rumored to be done) and they've been sitting in the can.

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on October 07, 2011, 10:07:11 PM
I was *extremely* surprised at the 5.1 selections.   If they were going for the most popular album from each era, I would think 2112, MP (or PeW), and then maybe PoW or HYF.    I don't object to FBN...but it does seem like an odd pick.   AFTK is another real odd one.  If you're not going to go with the popular album (MP or PeW) why not go for the underground favorite (Hemispheres)???   Granted, Xanadu alone is going to *kick ass* in 5.1, but the album itself seems like a very odd choice.    Signals makes a little more sense...but I'm not sure it will translate to 5.1 as well as the more textured albums like PoW or HYF.    The other issue is that Signals is a *NOTORIOUSLY* badly mixed album...possibly the worst mix in the entire catalog...then again, this *could* be an opportunity to fix that.

Anyway...just sayin the choices seem strange.

EDIT: I understand that MP was already done in 5.1....but that's never stopped record company's from making "cash grab re-release" decisions before.   It also seems odd that (as *good* as it is) they pick what is arguable the least popular album of that "sector"....
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on October 07, 2011, 10:22:27 PM
I don't know.  They all seem like fine choices to me.  Moving Pictures has already gotten the 5.1 treatment, and Moving Pictures along with 2112 got the "Classic Albums" deal recently.  If 2112 were picked for the next batch of 5.1, it would seem like those two albums literally get all the love.  True, they're easily two of the most popular, but I can understand a deliberate attempt to avoid that much favoritism and go with another early album.  What does that leave?  The first album, Fly by Night, and Caress of Steel, which is easily the underdog.  Fly by Night was the logical choice.

A Farewell to Kings was a pivotal album for Rush.  It was the first album to feature synthesizers, it was a deliberate step in a new direction following first live album and closing of that chapter, and the title of the album even seemed to reflect that.  Since Moving Pictures was already done, it was really between this one and Permanent Waves, and since I like AFTK better, I'm fine with the choice they made. :p

I've never had a problem with the mix on Signals, but I like that they kept with the earlier stuff.  I do agree that maybe this one should've been a later album with more layers and thus more opportunity to take advantage of the 5.1.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on October 08, 2011, 06:59:38 AM
I wonder how much money this is going to end up setting me back...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on October 08, 2011, 07:03:48 AM
STOP TEASING ME JUST TELL ME WHEN I CAN BUY CLOCKWORK ANGELS DAMMIT
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on October 08, 2011, 07:58:41 AM
Ufg

Don't want a boxset. But I NEED the 5.1 of AFTK. One of my favorite albums and I would KILL to hear it

KILLLLLL
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on October 08, 2011, 08:03:53 AM
Kev Schmev (and anyone else who cares), this is for you. (You can't hang this on Alex -- this time.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bFKzmR999M

Bummer.  That probably makes it unlikely that it will EVER get played again.  Oh well.  You can't have everything in life. :censored :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on October 08, 2011, 09:27:27 AM
If I had a 5.1 system I think A Farewell to Kings would sound wonderful on it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TempusVox on October 08, 2011, 09:35:09 AM


I'd be interested to know if the band either oversaw or signed off on these mixes. It's possible that Rich Chycki did them a few years back (when Vapor Trails was rumored to be done) and they've been sitting in the can.

Yes. They, to a certain extent, control the rights to their music. But as part of the arrangement with Mercury when they left, Mercury was cashing in I guess you coud say. If some obvious choices wre omitted, think along the lines of "Maybe they are going to do something else in the future with those omissions."  ;)

If you water something down too much, it dies.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on October 08, 2011, 05:16:43 PM
I think their 5.1 album choices lay in their singles:

FBN - "Fly By Night"
AFTK - "Closer To The Heart"
SIG - "New World Man"

All three are pretty standard classic rock station radio favorites, and Moving Pictures already got re-released in 5.1 last year.

I will probably wait for these to go on discount as well... If their original going-price is pretty cheap then I might go for it, or if the packaging is really nice, but otherwise, this is pretty much a cash-grab from Mercury, and doesn't entice me since I do not have a 5.1 system to play the new mixes.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on October 08, 2011, 06:27:49 PM
I think their 5.1 album choices lay in their singles:

FBN - "Fly By Night"
AFTK - "Closer To The Heart"
SIG - "New World Man"

All three are pretty standard classic rock station radio favorites, and Moving Pictures already got re-released in 5.1 last year.

I will probably wait for these to go on discount as well... If their original going-price is pretty cheap then I might go for it, or if the packaging is really nice, but otherwise, this is pretty much a cash-grab from Mercury, and doesn't entice me since I do not have a 5.1 system to play the new mixes.

-Marc.

I respect your opinion...and that may have had something to do with it...but I still feel that it doesn't hold water. 

There are bigger singles within their respective "sectors"....I would argue that "Overture/Temples" is a bigger and more popular "single" on FM rock radio than FBN.  Not saying FBN isn't played, just saying Overture is more so.    Same argument with CttH vs. Spirit of Radio.   I hear Closer on FM radio, but I hear Spirit quite a bit more.     So I don't even think you could say these are the biggest singles from their sectors.   They are definitely "top 5"...but not the biggest.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on October 08, 2011, 06:31:10 PM
...at the end of the day...they really should have just done what Genesis did.   The audience is there.    And doing *all of them* is going to be the only way we ever hear The Necromancer in 5.1.

As a matter of fact...CoS has it's followers and its detractors...but I can't imagine anyone saying that there aren't parts of that album that would be *INCREDIBLE* in 5.1.    But of course, they would never do that unless they were doing everything.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on October 08, 2011, 06:39:01 PM
Current price is 45 on amazon, fyi. That is a pretty good price for 5 cds + a dvd, but I still think I'll wait until the dvd-a gets a separate release since I already own all of the cds.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on October 08, 2011, 09:10:53 PM
Well supposedly the story goes that the original master tapes to many of the older albums are in REALLY bad shape. This came out after Mobile Fidelity released Permanent Waves a few years back when they wanted to release a few more Rush albums.

Maybe the tapes that got the 5.1 were in the best shape or they didn't use original masters. I hope the liner notes will shed some light on this.

This is where ICE magazine is greatly missed. They would have had this information out there already.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on October 08, 2011, 09:44:20 PM
Man did I love Ice Magazine.  I miss it too.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on October 09, 2011, 02:25:41 PM
I'm bummed that so many people think Circumstances is the worst tune on Hemispheres!  That's one of my favorite Rush tunes ever.  I get it though, it's pretty much impossible to name a "worst" tune on that album.  Gun to my head though I'd probablly go with The Trees, because like I said I love Circumstances and there's no way you could go with the title track or La Villa.

THIS.   I had such a tough time.  It almost felt like sacrilege choosing anything from that album.   It's just 4 10/10 songs period.   In the end, it was a coin toss between The Trees and Circumstances for reasons you mentioned.

I'd go with the title track. In 30 years it's never done anything for me. Love "side two" though.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on October 09, 2011, 02:27:35 PM
For those that missed That Metal Show (with Portnoy/Sykes), they did a "What's the best Rush album" poll with Moving Pics vs. Perm. Waves.  PW won by a margin of 3-2.  Portnoy voted Perm Waves.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on October 09, 2011, 06:24:14 PM
I'm bummed that so many people think Circumstances is the worst tune on Hemispheres!  That's one of my favorite Rush tunes ever.  I get it though, it's pretty much impossible to name a "worst" tune on that album.  Gun to my head though I'd probablly go with The Trees, because like I said I love Circumstances and there's no way you could go with the title track or La Villa.

THIS.   I had such a tough time.  It almost felt like sacrilege choosing anything from that album.   It's just 4 10/10 songs period.   In the end, it was a coin toss between The Trees and Circumstances for reasons you mentioned.

I'd go with the title track. In 30 years it's never done anything for me. Love "side two" though.

Different strokes.  To me, Cygnus X-1 (that is, BOTH "books" as a single piece of music) is the second greatest piece of rock music ever recorded...   (Second only to Supper's Ready)  ...and Hemispheres is the superior of the two books...and therefore the greatest thing Rush has ever written in their almost 40 year history.   

This is all just IMHO though.   As I've said before, I *love* that everyone has a different opinion.   If everyone felt like I did, the world would be god awful DULL!   :biggrin: 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on October 09, 2011, 08:06:53 PM
Part 1 of Cygnus X-1 is so much better than part 2. Everything going on during the "Spinning, whirling, Still descending, Like a spiral sea, UNENDING" part is so amazing.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on October 09, 2011, 08:33:53 PM
Part 1 of Cygnus X-1 is so much better than part 2. Everything going on during the "Spinning, whirling, Still descending, Like a spiral sea, UNENDING" part is so amazing.

Part 1 is absolutely stunning...but for me it's more of a "set up" piece.   The returning themes in part 2 are some of my favorite moments of all time.  The Prelude alone is among the most amazing eargasm things I've ever heard in my life.   To even call it "music" seems to short change it somehow.  It's just aural perfection.   :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on October 10, 2011, 08:41:25 AM
Part 1 > Part 2

Cygnus X-1 is honestly one of the greatest songs I have ever heard. I can't wait to hear it in 5.1!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on October 10, 2011, 09:01:47 AM
Book I > Book II, but only by a hair.

Book I is just 10 minutes of complete awesome while Book II is 18 minutes of some really awesome parts and some just-good parts, so it evens it out a bit.

Book I - 9.9/10
Book II - 9.5/10

Either way, listening to both is just an amazing experience. Has anyone else ever burned AFTK and HEMI together onto one CD-r like I have and enjoyed the experience of closing AFTK and opening HEMI with the duology? It's pretty damn epic, and it's 70 minutes of pure progasms, from "A Farewell To Kings" all the way to "La Villa Strangiato".

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on October 10, 2011, 09:50:07 AM
I didn't do that with the entire album....but I did do that once with just Cygnus X-1.    Blending the intro with Hemispheres with the outro of Cygnus just sounds awesome if you do it right.   

I always thought this was one of the few things where I stood with the majority (liking Book 2 more than book 1)...  apparently I was wrong. 

For me Book 2 is a 11/10 and Book 1 is 10/10.    Or...if you put a gun to my head and made me stay within the confines of the 10 scale.   Book 2 10/10 and Book 1 is 9.8/10.     

Either way, AFTK is still going to be absolutely awesome in 5.1.   I'm going to have *VERY* high expectations for both Cygnus X-1 and Xanadu....so they better not screw it up.   The mix on Moving Pictures was very well done, and I think there is room to do as well or better with AFTK.    (as long as Paul Northfield didn't do it, I think we'll be fine)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on October 14, 2011, 02:00:20 PM
Buying my cereal the other day, I happened to notice the expiration date...

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v394/kevshmev/310432_2444295677869_1566184753_2488133_108398606_n.jpg)

 :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on October 14, 2011, 06:34:16 PM
 :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Pols Voice on October 14, 2011, 07:10:07 PM
We are the Priests of the Temples of Bran Flakes,
Our great cereals fill grocery store aisles!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on October 16, 2011, 09:57:28 PM
Anyone buy Neil's new DVD?

If you did, does it play through Disc 3?

Mine doesn't because The Trees and Natural Science have each others index numbers. They will play individually but it gets hung up when you select play all.

Just wondering if I'm the only one with this problem or if it's an epidemic?

I'd like to know if I need to go back to Guitar Center or contact Hudson Music.


Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on October 25, 2011, 05:18:55 PM
Anyone seeing Rush on the big screen in less than 24 hours?

I'm psyching myself up (not that I really need to) by watching Neils's new DVD.


Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on October 25, 2011, 07:05:04 PM
Anyone seeing Rush on the big screen in less than 24 hours?

I'm psyching myself up (not that I really need to) by watching Neils's new DVD.

Not this time.  I did for the Doc and met Donna Halper.  She was very cool.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on October 25, 2011, 07:06:02 PM
I'm heading to theaters with 3 others tomorrow night, can't wait!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on October 25, 2011, 11:15:21 PM
I was considering going tomorrow night, but with the Cardinals playing Game 6 of the World Series, no can do.  I'll see if I can do the other St. Louis date next Thursday, but that might be tough.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: SystematicThought on October 26, 2011, 12:12:14 AM
My Signals cassette tape won't play Subdivisions....   :(
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on October 26, 2011, 02:58:54 PM
Hell to the Yeah!!!


https://www.rollingstone.com/videos/new-and-hot/rush-perform-tom-sawyer-on-new-live-dvd-20111026
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on October 26, 2011, 09:25:02 PM
My sister got a close-up during 2112. I was next to her but couldn't tell right away on first watch how well you could see me. Awesome either way.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on October 31, 2011, 01:34:12 PM
Rush: New Album In Early 2012

Geddy Lee: "We're almost finished writing. We wound the machine back up about three weeks ago. After a sluggish start, we've had a very fruitful couple of weeks in terms of writing. I'm very pleased with the direction that the material has taken. And I think we have one or two more songs that we'd like to write, and then we'll start recording in earnest. Hopefully we'll have all of the recording done before Christmas. Then we'll mix it some time in the next year, and then get it out. "

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/interviews/rush_new_album_in_early_2012.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/interviews/rush_new_album_in_early_2012.html)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: WindMaster on October 31, 2011, 02:22:05 PM
 :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on October 31, 2011, 04:15:48 PM
I'm hoping they aim for an early May release, to keep with tradition:
Vapor Trails - Released: May 14, 2002
Snakes & Arrows - Released: May 1, 2007
Clockwork Angels - To Be Released... May 1st, 8th or 15th, 2012?

I think either of those dates work, but it's funny that their last three albums would all be 5 years apart from each other. (Well worth the wait, IMO)

Either way, I cannot wait for this! I hope they put 12 songs on the album to match the idea of a clock-face and use each of the symbols/characters on the "Caravan" single cover as images for each of the 12 songs, ya know, just to complete the "concept" of the album as Neil was directing it towards.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on November 01, 2011, 03:17:35 AM
Bring it on, guys!  :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nekov on November 01, 2011, 04:55:45 AM
:caffeine::caffeine::metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: carl320 on November 01, 2011, 11:39:12 AM
My Signals cassette tape won't play Subdivisions....   :(

 :sadpanda:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on November 03, 2011, 08:47:38 PM
I'm hoping they aim for an early May release, to keep with tradition:
Vapor Trails - Released: May 14, 2002
Snakes & Arrows - Released: May 1, 2007
Clockwork Angels - To Be Released... May 1st, 8th or 15th, 2012?

I think either of those dates work, but it's funny that their last three albums would all be 5 years apart from each other. (Well worth the wait, IMO)

Either way, I cannot wait for this! I hope they put 12 songs on the album to match the idea of a clock-face and use each of the symbols/characters on the "Caravan" single cover as images for each of the 12 songs, ya know, just to complete the "concept" of the album as Neil was directing it towards.

-Marc.

They also released Feedback in 2004, but you might not have counted that as it wasn't original material.


Since Geddy said the tour probably won't start until the second half of 2012, I'll go out on a limb and say this might not be out until June or later to get those summer vacations out of the way.

I just realized that I'll have the live DVD in my hands and watching it this time tomorrow.  I'm now officially psyched.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on November 03, 2011, 10:35:22 PM
Maybe it's because of oversaturation since the band has released so many live DVDs in the last decade, or maybe I am just distracted by all of the great music that has come out in 2011, but my excitement level for this forthcoming release isn't very high.  Of course I say that, but the minute I buy it and start watching it, that will change really fast. :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on November 03, 2011, 10:36:38 PM
I'm really excited because it'll be my first new Rush album! 

I hope it isn't the last. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on November 03, 2011, 10:37:59 PM
I actually meant the live DVD, but I hear ya as far as the new studio album goes.  That, I am looking forward to a lot, even if they are taking forever to finish it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jingle.boy on November 04, 2011, 08:35:04 AM
Maybe it's because of oversaturation since the band has released so many live DVDs in the last decade, or maybe I am just distracted by all of the great music that has come out in 2011, but my excitement level for this forthcoming release isn't very high.  Of course I say that, but the minute I buy it and start watching it, that will change really fast. :lol

Agree completely with ya Kev.  Along with the great music of 2011, I've been discovering a lot of other stuff that I somehow missed.  Avantasia, Allen-Lande, Frameshift, Harem Scarem... I've picked up over a dozen albums that are 100% new to me.  Live Rush - as awesome as it is - isn't exactly 'new'. 

But, I'll get it, and love it regardless.  Just don't have any twitching anticipation for it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Dr. DTVT on November 06, 2011, 04:27:28 PM
If this has been discussed before, forgive me...but is anyone else's copy of "Presto" have the back insert upside-down on the sides?  I'll follow up with pictures if needed, but I just noticed that the text on the sides of the CD are upside down compared to every other CD I've ever owned.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on November 06, 2011, 04:44:17 PM
Mine's the same.  When I go to put it in the CD rack, I have to turn it around first.  Otherwise, the writing on the spine goes the wrong way compared to the others.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The King in Crimson on November 06, 2011, 04:46:30 PM
A few of my Pink Floyd CD's are like that too.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on November 06, 2011, 05:09:55 PM
It's really kinda stupid if you think about it.  There's obviously a standard orientation for which way the writing goes on each spine, relative to the front and back covers.  I'm sure that 99.9% of the time, whatever info is going on there (band name, title, label, numbers) just gets typed in on a keyboard, and it gets printed correctly via the default settings.  It seems like you'd have to actually do it manually and get it wrong to screw this up.  Yet it happens, and for CDs that don't even have anything unusual about them otherwise.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nofire on November 08, 2011, 12:02:25 PM
Currently listening to the new live album and DAMN, it's good! This one is going to get many spins in the future. Can't wait to see the DVD, since seeing the show in person was amazing. The best looking show they've done in my opinion. What do you guys think of the new live album/DVD?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on November 08, 2011, 12:10:17 PM
I think my Presto insert is like that as well. :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on November 08, 2011, 12:22:43 PM
Rush: Time Machine Live was on TV the other day (Palladia, the MTv HD music channel) so I recorded it.  Unfortunately, my DVR is dying, so I only got the first 10 minutes or so.  I had happened to catch the very end the other night, which was some kind of nutty time-warped version of them called Rash in a German sausage restaurant.  That's okay; these guys always have crazy stuff going on throughout the videos.  But when I watched the first 10 minutes, it of course all made sense, and I thought it was hilarious.  Then the actual concert started, then my DVR fucked up, and that's all I saw.

That's okay, I was going to get the Blu-ray anyway.  My buddies from home went to this concert, said it was awesome.  My one friend even took his 18-year-old daughter to it, her first Rush concert.  I can't imagine how cool it would've been growing up with parents who'd take me to rock concerts.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on November 08, 2011, 12:24:35 PM
Best Buy better have my blu-ray waiting for me when I get home...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jingle.boy on November 08, 2011, 12:27:55 PM
I think my Presto insert is like that as well. :lol

I recall mine was as well.  I got rid of all my cases a few years ago... only keeping the inserts and CD's.  Took up way too much room.  Now I have all my CD's in a few 3" binders.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on November 08, 2011, 12:31:24 PM
I thought about doing that.  Get a couple of those binders with squares to hold the CD and the insert, four to a "page", and keep my entire collection on a regular bookshelf.  Never got around to it.  Now, it doesn't seem like it'd be worth the time, since I never pull the CDs out anymore anyway.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jingle.boy on November 08, 2011, 01:29:07 PM
I thought about doing that.  Get a couple of those binders with squares to hold the CD and the insert, four to a "page", and keep my entire collection on a regular bookshelf.  Never got around to it.  Now, it doesn't seem like it'd be worth the time, since I never pull the CDs out anymore anyway.

I didn't want to just toss everything, so that's exactly what I did.  I simply didn't have anywhere to keep my CD stand anymore.  It was big, bulky, and an eye sore.  Since I rarely pull them out, there was no need to keep them out in the open.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Curious Orange on November 10, 2011, 05:41:46 AM
I got the Time Machine Live CD last night - not the DVD, mind, just the CD. I listened to a bit of it last night and - Geddy's voice is awful. it almost made me wonder whether this had been mastered at the right speed. As a long-time Rush fan, I know his voice is limited, but this is the worst I've ever heard him sing, it really spoilt it for me, especially as he's so high in the mix.

I'm surprised they didn't over-dub, or even choose a different night to release. How's the mix on the DVD? Is it as bad?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on November 10, 2011, 07:29:20 AM
I've only watched a small part of it so far (gotta wait until this weekend when everyone's gone) but I noticed that Geddy is singing differently or something.  I was surprised that he could still hit the high notes in "The Spirit of Radio" but realized he's using a weird head-voice or semi-falsetto or something to do it.  It's not his "regular high voice".  I understand that he can't wail like that anymore, and that's fine, but whatever is going on with his voice is definitely weird.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on November 10, 2011, 09:28:09 AM
Ya know, I saw the Working Man clip that was up a few weeks ago, and I have to admit that once they broke into the normal song and he was singing the chorus as is, the way he was singing it sounded really weird.  I think he is reaching that age where he can't do much more with it, especially live and on certain songs. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Pols Voice on November 10, 2011, 05:01:18 PM
I listened to the CD samples on Amazon, and noticed how bizarre Geddy sounds. Caravan sounds like one of the worst, strangely. Unfortunately, age must have caught up with him. :'(
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on November 10, 2011, 05:23:36 PM
I listened to the CD samples on Amazon, and noticed how bizarre Geddy sounds. Caravan sounds like one of the worst, strangely. Unfortunately, age must have caught up with him. :'(

I wonder if this means, on the Clockwork Angels Tour, that we'll get most of the album played live, if not all of it? It would definitely be in his range (being their latest album), and perhaps more of the songs that didn't get played from Snakes & Arrows on the last couple tours, like "Bravest Face" and "Good News First"?

And how about some more Vapor Trails songs, damnit!!!  Especially the title track, "How It Is", and perhaps "Freeze"...or how about the whole "Fear" series?

I think the next tour would be a great time for them to bust out some never-played tracks from Presto onward, when they stopped playing more than half of the new album live. I could go for some "The Color Of Right" or "The Speed Of Love".

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Pols Voice on November 10, 2011, 05:28:38 PM
Vapor Trail (the song) and Cut to the Chase would be great.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on November 10, 2011, 06:07:07 PM
Cold Fire and anything off of P/G or PW (aside from the 2 or so obvious songs) would be pretty cool.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on November 10, 2011, 11:19:54 PM
Or how about some "Everyday Glory?"
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on November 10, 2011, 11:21:15 PM
Or how about some "Everyday Glory?"

YES PLEASE

Fucking love that song.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on November 10, 2011, 11:41:08 PM
Or how about some "Everyday Glory?"

YES PLEASE

Fucking love that song.

Some of my favorite lyrics in all of Neil's catalog, and the music is wonderful as well.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on November 11, 2011, 06:59:27 AM
Now that they've played Presto I've love to hear Vapor Trails (Alex with the double neck Gibson FTW).  I'd love to here Totem, and of course.....Available Light.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: carl320 on November 11, 2011, 12:17:28 PM
Just listened to an 8-bit version of Subdivisions  :metal

I'd like to see an 8-bit version of the video next  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on November 11, 2011, 07:20:21 PM
Rush: Time Machine Live was on TV the other day (Palladia, the MTv HD music channel) so I recorded it.  Unfortunately, my DVR is dying, so I only got the first 10 minutes or so.  I had happened to catch the very end the other night, which was some kind of nutty time-warped version of them called Rash in a German sausage restaurant.  That's okay; these guys always have crazy stuff going on throughout the videos.  But when I watched the first 10 minutes, it of course all made sense, and I thought it was hilarious.  Then the actual concert started, then my DVR fucked up, and that's all I saw.

That's okay, I was going to get the Blu-ray anyway.  My buddies from home went to this concert, said it was awesome.  My one friend even took his 18-year-old daughter to it, her first Rush concert.  I can't imagine how cool it would've been growing up with parents who'd take me to rock concerts.

My son is 13 and he's seen Rush 6 times. (Saw his first one at 4)

He was the reason we even saw Kansas for the first time.
He wanted to go and we didn't. I'm glad he did too, because they were awesome, even after all these years.

We go to concerts all of the time (when the budget allows) We saw the Carl Palmer Band from front row center (twice) last month. He loves it. (He hasn't really taken a shine to Dream Theater yet, but we did go with some of his friends for Progressive Nation 2009 and he seemed to enjoy it, but I think he was a passenger).


Oh...my Presto is the same as everyone else's.

Not much of a theory as to why, but it was their first album on the Atlantic label so all of their duck might not have been in order.

I can't recall if the Canadian copy is like that.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on November 11, 2011, 08:24:19 PM
My son is 13 and he's seen Rush 6 times. (Saw his first one at 4)

That's so cool. :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on November 23, 2011, 08:27:14 PM
Time for more rankings! This time, the  live concert videos releases from the last decade:

1. Rush In Rio
2. R30
3. Time Machine 2011
4. Snakes & Arrows Live

I took in to account the set list, production and quality of the video/sound, packaging, bonus materials (if applicable) and over-all enjoyment of the set. The top two are tough, and are more likely a tie in my eyes. R30 suffers a bit since it's not the complete set list, although all the classic 70's footage kind of makes up for it. Rush In Rio is just an all-time classic, great set list, awesome audience and just a great live show that captures the end of a great "come-back" tour for the band.

Snakes & Arrows Live suffers a bit more than R30 since there isn't anything in the way of extra stuff, just the concert. It's a bit bare-bones, but the concert is filmed great and it's got a good set list, but I'd still take R30 over it, as a whole package. Even the recently released Time Machine set tops S&A Live, just slightly, for it's got a slightly more balanced set list (although I did enjoy all the new songs, seeing Moving Pictures played live in it's entirety on a concert video is just a great treat!) and some awesome song choices ("Marathon" and "Presto", as well as "Faithless" and the encore).

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on November 23, 2011, 08:40:27 PM
Doggone it, I still have to see Rush in Rio.  I have the others.

Why does Rush have so many concert vids?!  Why do they torment me like this?!  I only have so much money!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on November 23, 2011, 09:39:38 PM
Time Machine
Snakes and Arrows Live
Rush in Rio
R30
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on November 23, 2011, 09:51:30 PM
I'd say that R30 is definitely the least best.  It is the one I have watched by far the least (of the first three: TMM is still too new).  Not only does it not have the whole show, but aside from the R30 Overture and the covers, Animate and Mystic Rhythms are the only two songs I can't watch on another live release.  And the intro videos on S&A Live and TMM are far better (despite the presence of Jerry Stiller).

Rush in Rio is easily the best of the four.  The vibe from that Brazil crowd cannot be topped, and the documentary is great.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jingle.boy on November 24, 2011, 06:55:28 AM
Rush in Rio is easily the best of the four.  The vibe from that Brazil crowd cannot be topped, and the documentary is great.

you got that right!  Seeing 50,000 people jumping and chanting during YYZ gives me goosebumbs just thinking about it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on November 25, 2011, 11:54:01 PM
R30 is the least favorite as far as the the concert goes. (It's got the most bonus features though.)

I can't decide beyond that at the moment.
 
Each one has its strengths and weaknesses but R30 doesn't hold up performance-wise consistently.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on December 05, 2011, 08:09:54 PM
Anyone bite on those Sector boxes?

https://www.rush.com/sectors/




Here's the most recent Geddy interview on record:

https://www.billboard.com/news/geddy-lee-talks-rush-legacy-moving-pictures-1005608552.story#/news/geddy-lee-talks-rush-legacy-moving-pictures-1005608552.story
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on December 06, 2011, 03:22:51 AM
Rush in Rio is easily the best of the four.  The vibe from that Brazil crowd cannot be topped, and the documentary is great.
I remember watching it for the first time and being blown away by seeing the crowd singing along to YYZ. I've never seen anything like it.  :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on December 06, 2011, 06:57:39 AM
Anyone bite on those Sector boxes?

https://www.rush.com/sectors/




Here's the most recent Geddy interview on record:

https://www.billboard.com/news/geddy-lee-talks-rush-legacy-moving-pictures-1005608552.story#/news/geddy-lee-talks-rush-legacy-moving-pictures-1005608552.story

No, I will not by them.  Single 5.1's I will
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Post by: Orbert on December 06, 2011, 08:02:10 AM
Exactly.  The Sector boxes seem like a weird idea, either "easy to collect" boxes for people who don't have much Rush now and want to jump-start their collections but somehow aiming a little too high-end, or an outright cash grab for longtime fans because of the one 5.1 disc per box.  I'm holding out for the single 5.1 albums, which I'm sure are coming because they've done all the work and they'll sell a bunch of them (after sales of the Sector boxes fizzle).
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on December 06, 2011, 08:28:51 AM

Here's the most recent Geddy interview on record:

https://www.billboard.com/news/geddy-lee-talks-rush-legacy-moving-pictures-1005608552.story#/news/geddy-lee-talks-rush-legacy-moving-pictures-1005608552.story

Great.  Now a percentage of the online fanbase is getting all pissy when they don't play all of Hemispheres live "since Geddy said they might do it!" :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TempusVox on December 06, 2011, 10:40:24 AM

Here's the most recent Geddy interview on record:

https://www.billboard.com/news/geddy-lee-talks-rush-legacy-moving-pictures-1005608552.story#/news/geddy-lee-talks-rush-legacy-moving-pictures-1005608552.story

Great.  Now a percentage of the online fanbase is getting all pissy when they don't play all of Hemispheres live "since Geddy said they might do it!" :lol

You laugh, but the goal is for them to do each album over the next several tours. Some they plan to combine and do two albums on the same tour.  :metal
Now I've said too much; but now you know.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on December 06, 2011, 11:28:26 AM
I love the way he worded that:

"If Rush has a cult following, within that cult following there's a following for "Hemispheres" [laughs]."

 :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on December 06, 2011, 11:28:50 AM
I am giddy.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on December 06, 2011, 12:09:28 PM
I'll believe it when I see it. 

And every album?  Even if they do two a tour, considering how many albums they have, they'd have to do like eight or nine more tours to get them all in.  Are they gonna tour until they are 80??
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on December 06, 2011, 01:40:54 PM
A short but relatively interesting interview:

Andy VanDette On Remastering 15 Rush Albums (https://www.themasterdiskrecord.com/2011/11/andy-vandette-on-remastering-14-rush-albums/)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on December 06, 2011, 07:41:41 PM

Here's the most recent Geddy interview on record:

https://www.billboard.com/news/geddy-lee-talks-rush-legacy-moving-pictures-1005608552.story#/news/geddy-lee-talks-rush-legacy-moving-pictures-1005608552.story

Great.  Now a percentage of the online fanbase is getting all pissy when they don't play all of Hemispheres live "since Geddy said they might do it!" :lol

You laugh, but the goal is for them to do each album over the next several tours. Some they plan to combine and do two albums on the same tour.  :metal
Now I've said too much; but now you know.


Vox, seriously?  Cause i'm tired of hearing the same songs every year.  This would be worthy of their immense talent.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on December 07, 2011, 05:59:41 AM
THEY MUST PLAY ALL OF POWER WINDOWS OR PERISH
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on December 08, 2011, 07:28:03 PM
I love when people who claim to be "huge Rush fans" mispronounce Peart.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on December 08, 2011, 08:07:56 PM
THEY MUST PLAY ALL OF POWER WINDOWS OR PERISH

I would go see Power Windows in a heartbeat.

Besides that, I would like to see 2112 and Hemispheres also.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on December 08, 2011, 10:09:55 PM
I love when people who claim to be "huge Rush fans" mispronounce Peart.

Or if you talk to them and say either or all of the following - "Pratt", "Dirk", "Lerxst" - and they have NO idea who you are talking about.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on December 08, 2011, 10:36:26 PM
Where do those names come from? I've seen Lerxst thrown around before but I'm not sure what they're referencing.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on December 09, 2011, 08:05:47 AM
Where do those names come from? I've seen Lerxst thrown around before but I'm not sure what they're referencing.

Pratt, I'm sure, is a gross mispronunciation of of Neil's last name, and Dirk? I'm not sure...perhaps it's because it was the name of Paul's double in The Rutles and both Paul and Geddy play bass and sing?

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Anonymous on December 09, 2011, 08:30:43 AM
Vapor Trail (the song) and Cut to the Chase would be great.
Ive always wondered WHY the hell CTTC was never played live. That is such a great tune and would be awesome live
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on December 11, 2011, 08:07:17 PM
Where do those names come from? I've seen Lerxst thrown around before but I'm not sure what they're referencing.

I'm not sure if they've ever publically explained where exactly they came from other than to say those were just three of many names that they have for themselves.

I used to know when they first started appearing in interviews or on albums and such, but I can't seem to remember now.

Maybe someone with a better memory (King, I'm looking at you) can recall exactly when these references first appeared.

I'm thinking late '70s, but it might be earlier than that.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on December 11, 2011, 08:11:54 PM
My AFTK vinyl refers to them by Lerxst, Dirk, and Pratt in the artist acknowledgements section.  Don't know about earlier ablums.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on December 11, 2011, 08:41:00 PM
My AFTK vinyl refers to them by Lerxst, Dirk, and Pratt in the artist acknowledgements section.  Don't know about earlier ablums.

THAT's it.  Thanks!

I'm pretty sure there are no references before that.

Incidently the "We remember Brooklyn" quote from those liner notes comes from a tour stop in Brooklyn where some fans told them "don't forget Brooklyn" so they immortalized the occurrence in the A Farewell To Kings liner notes.

So that's an early sign of their sense of humor (via an inside joke.)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on December 12, 2011, 07:02:33 AM
It was an inside joke of nivknames they were giving and you are correct when they put it in the live album.  As we old fogey's know, thwere has been many nicknames and in jokes over the years that they've allowed us to see.

I love Alex's rig jokes in the tour books.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: carl320 on December 13, 2011, 12:19:01 AM
The thing I've noticed in the liner notes has been (for example) "Brought to you by the letter D" (from Presto).  I think they do that in other albums as well.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on December 13, 2011, 02:09:25 PM
The thing I've noticed in the liner notes has been (for example) "Brought to you by the letter D" (from Presto).  I think they do that in other albums as well.

Power Windows was brought to you by me (The Letter M).

I'm pretty sure one album was brought to you by the letter "3" and Snakes & Arrows was brought to you the letter "S-s-s-s-s".

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on December 13, 2011, 04:25:48 PM
I figured you Rush geeks like me would like to see my tour book collection.



(https://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/kingshmegland/IMG_7116.jpg)

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on December 13, 2011, 05:07:53 PM
Nice!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jjrock88 on December 13, 2011, 06:17:03 PM
very cool!!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on December 13, 2011, 08:16:27 PM
The first time I saw Rush was Moving Pictures.  I got a tour book, which I lent to a co-worker when I got back, as he was a huge Rush fan as well.  He managed to lose it.  Swore he looked everywhere for it and had no idea where it went.  I believed him, by the way, he was a good guy.  Still, it was quite a bummer, and I never bought another Rush tour book.  I've only seen them two other times, but still.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jingle.boy on December 13, 2011, 08:21:58 PM
Nice collection Joe!   I got into Rush a little later on (with Presto), and only missed the Counterparts tour as I was in University.  No tour books though.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on December 13, 2011, 08:23:20 PM
I had a drunk guy drop his beer on my Presto book and I took his wallet out of his pocket and took a 20 spot and gave him the wet one.  He was so drunk I just took his wallet. :lol

Thanks JB.  Shirts don't fit me anymore so it's tou rbooks. :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 14, 2011, 06:53:38 PM
I really want Clockwork Angels. Listening to Caravan and BU2B makes me wonder how strong the rest of the album will be.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jingle.boy on December 15, 2011, 02:08:06 PM
Quote
What moved you to perform "Moving Pictures" in its entirety on the Time Machine tour?

We thought that was the perfect time, and the perfect album to do that with. Because I guess it would be considered our quintessential album, and it was the 30th anniversary of that album being released. It also gave us the opportunity to play an 11-minute song on that album called "The Camera Eye," which we had never really embraced as a live song.

Would you consider doing that with any other classic Rush album?

I certainly would. We really enjoyed that whole experience. We played for three hours -- you can tuck a 45-minute album in there and still play lots of new things and lots of other things. If we were really out of our minds, we would attempt something like [1978's] "Hemispheres." If Rush has a cult following, within that cult following there's a following for "Hemispheres" [laughs]. I'm not sure we're up for that one, but I could see us doing "2112."

What can we expect from the next album, "Clockwork Angels?"

The first two [single] releases from this album, "Caravan" and "Brought Up to Believe," are a great indication of where this album's going, although there's much more variety than just what those two songs offer. When I look back at [2007 album] "Snakes and Arrows," as happy as we were with that record, in retrospect I feel we kind of overdid it with overdubs. We'd like to simplify that, just in terms of making sure the guitar, bass and drum sounds are big and loud and clear, and any time we are going to add an overdub, to make sure that it definitely is adding and not subtracting.

You can read the full interview by clicking this link (https://www.billboard.com/#/news/geddy-lee-talks-rush-legacy-moving-pictures-1005608552.story).

Roadrunner News (https://www.roadrunnerrecords.co.uk/page/News?news_id=116215&utm_source=MailingList&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Roadrunner+Records+News+15.12.11)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Pols Voice on December 15, 2011, 04:35:30 PM
The past few albums have been too layered and overdubbed, IMO, so it's cool they want to tone that down.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on December 16, 2011, 06:51:33 PM
(https://www.nickeh.com/images/rushpuzzle01.jpg)

(https://www.nickeh.com/images/rushpuzzle02.jpg)

(https://www.nickeh.com/images/rushpuzzle03.jpg)

(https://www.nickeh.com/images/rushpuzzle04.jpg)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on December 18, 2011, 07:58:16 PM
I figured you Rush geeks like me would like to see my tour book collection.



(https://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/kingshmegland/IMG_7116.jpg)

Nice. I've got an extra Signals if you wanted to swap something for it.


The first program I ever got was from the Power Windows tour. Being that it was my first concert, I mistakenly put it under my seat because I didn't want to hold it during the concert.  I had no idea that spilled beer would be all over the floor some of it stained part of the back cover.

Fortunately, I replaced it when I found a copy in New York a few years later. I'm just missing the 2112 and Euro A Farewell To Kings programs myself.  (I traded a Kiss Meets The Phantom of the Park movie magazine for an autographed Hemispheres Tour program about 15 years ago. I've always felt that magazine was worth more than the program, but I'm still happy with the choice I made.)


Being a geek, I learned a few things from your photo.
Either you didn't go to the first leg of the Test For Echo Tour (the arenas) or you chose not to buy a program during that leg and got one during the second leg instead. Same senario with the second leg of Snakes and Arrows in 2008 and Time Machine 2011.




Nice puzzle , Nick.

I see you found a way to include some black and orange with it.

I've been wondering if I should cave and get a deck or two of cards myself.

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jjrock88 on December 18, 2011, 08:12:46 PM
great puzzle, very cool
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on December 20, 2011, 11:47:40 AM
https://news.2112.net/2011/12/alex-lifeson-update-on-clockwork-angles.html

Quote
The January issue of Guitar World includes a new interview with Alex Lifeson where he discusses Clockwork Angels.  Here's a portion of the article, thanks to RushIsABand for the headsup!
... Alex Lifeson stops short of calling Rush's upcoming Clockwork Angels a concept record, but he does admit that a theme runs through most the songs. "We have Caravan and BU2B; both of which we released already and played on the Time Machine tour," he says, referring to the group's extensive 2010-2011 outing. "Those two, along with three other songs, form a suite. The story of Clockwork Angels is in those five tracks."

Longtime Rush fans, who grew up on such multi-song narratives as 2112 and Hemispheres, will no doubt applaud the group's return to its prog-rock roots. They'll also be thrilled to learn that the band isn't paying mind to the length of its compostitions. "We're definitely stretching out," Lifeson says. "Most of the songs are over six minutes. We're having fun with them, seeing where they want to go."

The guitarist estimates that Rush has eight songs finished. One track, however, is putting up a fight. "We wrote it, scrapped it, then rewrote it and shelved it again," Lifeson says, laughing. "Right now, we're still considering it. Something's there that we don't want to lose."

The band is working once again with prodcucer Nick Raskulinecz, who in addition to helming albums for the Foo Fighters, Alice in Chains and Evanesence, oversaw Rush's 2007 release, Snakes & Arrows. "Nick is fantastic," Lifeson says. "He's very enthusiastic, has great ideas, gets incredible sounds, and he's so adaptable to our twists and turns."

That includes a more stripped-down, instrumental approach. "The last few records have been quite produced, with many layers of guitars and vocals," he says. "This time, we'd like to keep things simple and direct.

"We'll see if that sticks," he adds after a moment's though. "I might listen to the finished record and go, 'Needs more guitar!'..."

This gets better every time Geddy or Alex talk about it.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on December 20, 2011, 01:59:35 PM
Even better news Marc.


https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2011/12/20/2945/Rush-wraps-up-Clockwork-Angels-recording
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on December 20, 2011, 02:48:55 PM
Even better news Marc.


https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2011/12/20/2945/Rush-wraps-up-Clockwork-Angels-recording

 :metal AWESOME...I hope they have it released sometime before May. March would be good, considering my birthday is that month!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nekov on December 20, 2011, 02:50:19 PM
:caffeine::caffeine::caffeine::caffeine:


I want this album right nowwwwww!!!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jingle.boy on December 20, 2011, 06:25:01 PM
:caffeine::caffeine::caffeine::caffeine:


I want this album right nowwwwww!!!

Back in line behind the rest of us punk.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on December 20, 2011, 07:18:44 PM
Even better news Marc.


https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2011/12/20/2945/Rush-wraps-up-Clockwork-Angels-recording

 :metal AWESOME...I hope they have it released sometime before May. March would be good, considering my birthday is that month!

-Marc.

March birthday boy too!  But of late, May seems to be their month to release a new album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Vahvahenki on December 21, 2011, 02:30:53 AM
Happy 21/12 people! :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nekov on December 21, 2011, 03:02:00 AM
Happy 21/12 people! :metal

 :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: RoeDent on December 21, 2011, 07:31:21 AM
Just dropping by to wish everyone on this thread a happy Rush Day, 21/12.  :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jjrock88 on December 21, 2011, 06:41:52 PM
Happy Rush Day!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jingle.boy on December 21, 2011, 08:35:45 PM
:frank:

:leaveseyes:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on December 24, 2011, 01:56:15 PM
I don't know how they'll pull it off, but here's to the entire 2112 album live in 2012!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on December 25, 2011, 12:18:40 AM
Call me a party pooper, but unless the new album is a modern day Rush masterpiece that is accepted as such by most of the fanbase, casual fans included, I say, keep the number of songs from it down to no more than four or five.  Bottom line is, too many new songs don't go over well with their crowds nowadays.  As much as I like S&A, doing five songs in a row from it at the start of the 2nd set on both legs was a killjoy at both shows I went to (and I read it was similar at many other shows as well); the crowd was getting restless for something familiar by the 4th song. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on December 25, 2011, 05:13:19 AM
Well I don't agree with how many new songs I'd like to see them play.  Spreading throughout the set is something we agree on.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jingle.boy on December 25, 2011, 07:47:40 AM
Well I don't agree with how many new songs I'd like to see them play.  Spreading throughout the set is something we agree on.

Seconded.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on December 25, 2011, 09:49:27 AM
Depending on how good the album is...I think it would be cool to see them pull off what Iron Maiden did on the AMOLAD tour and just play the whole flippin thing.

I think that was one of the coolest things Iron Maiden ever did, and I think Rush could pull it off.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on December 25, 2011, 11:20:16 AM
Call me a party pooper, but unless the new album is a modern day Rush masterpiece that is accepted as such by most of the fanbase, casual fans included, I say, keep the number of songs from it down to no more than four or five.  Bottom line is, too many new songs don't go over well with their crowds nowadays.  As much as I like S&A, doing five songs in a row from it at the start of the 2nd set on both legs was a killjoy at both shows I went to (and I read it was similar at many other shows as well); the crowd was getting restless for something familiar by the 4th song.

When I saw Rush the first time it was my first time hearing a lot of Rush songs, whether they were familiar or not.  I quite liked all the new songs they played and made me more and more convinced that they weren't a classic prog act just using new music as an excuse to tour.  If the rest of the album lives up to Caravan and BU2B's level of quality I would have no problem with them playing the whole thing.  Plus, all the S&A songs they played on that tour were fantastic.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ReaperKK on December 25, 2011, 11:45:01 AM
So I don't wanna really search through this thread but why the hell is it taking them so long to release this album? I mean didn't the singles come out in 2010?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The King in Crimson on December 25, 2011, 11:52:48 AM
They've been touring.... A LOT.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nel on December 25, 2011, 06:40:37 PM
I marathoned the s/t album up to Permanent Waves the other night. Going to continue tonight with Moving Pictures. And once I've finished all of them, I'll watch the documentary. I bought that when it came out but never got around to viewing it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on December 25, 2011, 07:58:25 PM
How would y'all feel should CA turn out to have the synths back in full force?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The King in Crimson on December 25, 2011, 08:26:44 PM
How would y'all feel should CA turn out to have the synths back in full force?
As long as the songs don't suck, I would be fine, but I'd hope they wouldn't overdo it like on Hold Your Fire or Power Windows.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on December 26, 2011, 06:01:49 PM
Grass... so... very... annoying...

(https://www.nickeh.com/images/rushpuzzle05.jpg)

(https://www.nickeh.com/images/rushpuzzle06.jpg)

(https://www.nickeh.com/images/rushpuzzle07.jpg)

(https://www.nickeh.com/images/rushpuzzle08.jpg)

(https://www.nickeh.com/images/rushpuzzle09.jpg)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on December 26, 2011, 06:09:16 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Dude...that is so completely AWESOME!!!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on December 26, 2011, 06:41:07 PM
The Rush Backstage Club and amazon has it. Amazon might still have the Moving Pictures one too.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Pols Voice on December 26, 2011, 06:46:23 PM
A Hold Your Fire or Counterparts puzzle would be really hard.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jjrock88 on December 26, 2011, 09:10:16 PM
Not sure if it's been discussed, but has anyone ordered the Sector boxsets?  I just ordered them; they look very cool and it appears that the sound has improved.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on December 26, 2011, 09:37:30 PM
I would looooove to get them, but the money just isn't there for those right now.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on December 26, 2011, 10:06:19 PM
I finally have all 19 studio albums on my iPod (including Feedback, because it counts dammit). I want to attempt a marathon where I listen to all of them in order without stopping.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on December 26, 2011, 10:21:46 PM
What you need to do is take out Feedback and swap in the Caravan/BU2B single. Look into your heart Drew, you know this to be true.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on December 26, 2011, 10:36:09 PM
I mean since I know those songs will show up on a future LP, it wouldn't feel right.

On another note. Superconductor is awesome.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on December 26, 2011, 10:38:52 PM
Call me a party pooper, but unless the new album is a modern day Rush masterpiece that is accepted as such by most of the fanbase, casual fans included, I say, keep the number of songs from it down to no more than four or five.  Bottom line is, too many new songs don't go over well with their crowds nowadays.  As much as I like S&A, doing five songs in a row from it at the start of the 2nd set on both legs was a killjoy at both shows I went to (and I read it was similar at many other shows as well); the crowd was getting restless for something familiar by the 4th song.

When I saw Rush the first time it was my first time hearing a lot of Rush songs, whether they were familiar or not.  I quite liked all the new songs they played and made me more and more convinced that they weren't a classic prog act just using new music as an excuse to tour.  If the rest of the album lives up to Caravan and BU2B's level of quality I would have no problem with them playing the whole thing.  Plus, all the S&A songs they played on that tour were fantastic.

I agree for the most part, but crowd energy is something that adds a lot to a concert, and having it sucked away because they are playing too many new songs is a bummer.  I definitely want a handful of new songs, but the whole thing?  No way.  That would zap the life out of the crowd.

How would y'all feel should CA turn out to have the synths back in full force?

Nah.  The synths wouldn't go as well with their current sound (assuming they use the synth sounds that have been the norm for them as of late).  As a backdrop or icing on the cake, sure, but full force, I say no.  They just aren't in that headspace anymore.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on December 26, 2011, 10:40:44 PM
I mean since I know those songs will show up on a future LP, it wouldn't feel right.

On another note. Superconductor is awesome.

Superconductor is a bottom 20 Rush song.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on December 26, 2011, 10:41:53 PM
lol

I had a feeling you would say that.

It's one of those songs that turns me into a human bobblehead.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on December 26, 2011, 10:43:16 PM
Superconductor is weak.  The Xanadu into Superconductor segue-way on the Roll the Bones tour has to be the biggest WTF ever in the band's touring history (even if it was the concert that melted my face off and made me a fan for life).
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Pols Voice on December 26, 2011, 10:43:37 PM
Superconductor LIKE MOST OF PRESTO is underrated.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on December 26, 2011, 10:45:13 PM
Superconductor LIKE MOST OF PRESTO is underrated.

Superconductor is naturally overplayed as a single and is certainly not underrated. There are a few underrated tracks on the album for sure, but Superconductor is not one of them.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on December 26, 2011, 10:49:13 PM
You guys make me sad sometimes.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Pols Voice on December 26, 2011, 10:52:04 PM
Superconductor LIKE MOST OF PRESTO is underrated.

Superconductor is naturally overplayed as a single and is certainly not underrated. There are a few underrated tracks on the album for sure, but Superconductor is not one of them.

I didn't know it was overplayed. I just say it's underrated because most people despise it and I think it's kind of a fun song.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on December 26, 2011, 11:03:51 PM
I finally have all 19 studio albums on my iPod (including Feedback, because it counts dammit). I want to attempt a marathon where I listen to all of them in order without stopping.

Make sure that, on your playlist before Rush, you have the single "Not Fade Away"/"You Can't Fight It", and after Rush but before Fly By Night, place "Garden Road" and "Fancy Dancer", and for fun, toss in their cover of "Bad Boy".

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on December 26, 2011, 11:15:03 PM
That's too much to remember. :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on December 27, 2011, 06:32:28 AM
Don't Forget Battlescar with Max Webster and Take Off with Bob and Doug McKenzie. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on December 27, 2011, 11:25:05 AM
Take Off with Bob and Doug McKenzie. :biggrin:

Well if you're going to go that far, might as well put Alex Lifeson's solo album, Victor, in there between Counterparts and Test For Echo, and put Geddy Lee's solo album, My Favorite Headache, between Test For Echo and Vapor Trails.

Then you might as well get the Buddy Rich tributes that Neil has done, as well has the tracks he drummed on for Vertical Horizon a few years back.

...could go on and on and on :rollin

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on December 27, 2011, 11:55:24 AM
Beyond Borders from the Guiter Player magizine also! :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on December 27, 2011, 02:10:10 PM
Take Off with Bob and Doug McKenzie. :biggrin:

Well if you're going to go that far, might as well put Alex Lifeson's solo album, Victor, in there between Counterparts and Test For Echo, and put Geddy Lee's solo album, My Favorite Headache, between Test For Echo and Vapor Trails.

Then you might as well get the Buddy Rich tributes that Neil has done, as well has the tracks he drummed on for Vertical Horizon a few years back.

...could go on and on and on :rollin

-Marc.

If this were Dream Theater you could go on and on, with Rush there really isn't all that much.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on December 27, 2011, 05:33:23 PM
quote author=KevShmev link=topic=16371.msg1175606#msg1175606 date=1324964332]
Call me a party pooper, but unless the new album is a modern day Rush masterpiece that is accepted as such by most of the fanbase, casual fans included, I say, keep the number of songs from it down to no more than four or five.  Bottom line is, too many new songs don't go over well with their crowds nowadays.  As much as I like S&A, doing five songs in a row from it at the start of the 2nd set on both legs was a killjoy at both shows I went to (and I read it was similar at many other shows as well); the crowd was getting restless for something familiar by the 4th song.

When I saw Rush the first time it was my first time hearing a lot of Rush songs, whether they were familiar or not.  I quite liked all the new songs they played and made me more and more convinced that they weren't a classic prog act just using new music as an excuse to tour.  If the rest of the album lives up to Caravan and BU2B's level of quality I would have no problem with them playing the whole thing.  Plus, all the S&A songs they played on that tour were fantastic.

I agree for the most part, but crowd energy is something that adds a lot to a concert, and having it sucked away because they are playing too many new songs is a bummer.  I definitely want a handful of new songs, but the whole thing?  No way.  That would zap the life out of the crowd.

[/quote]

I'm with skydivingninja on this one. The more new stuff, the better. I loved the Snakes and Arrows tour for that reason. Can't speak for the crowd, but my energy level as just as high if not higher for the Snakes and Arrows songs. I wish they had done the same thing with Vapor Trails.



RE: Superconductor
As much as I love Presto, that tour was the least favorite that I've ever witnessed. I know they've said they they were inspired on that tour, but I guess that didn't tanslate well in my case.




RE: Sectors
I wasn't planning on getting these, but the slightly different mixes on Hold Your Fire are far too tempting for me not to try and track down. I may just wait until they are released individually (probably within a year).

I haven't had the chance to read many reviews, but the ones I did read are mixed. Some love them and others hate them. It probably depends on if you are a fan of more high end, a fan of more low end, or a fan of more mid-range.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on December 27, 2011, 11:33:56 PM
Garden Road is so damn good. I wish they had put it on an album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on December 29, 2011, 04:34:59 AM
I'm thinking about getting the Time Machine DVD but I've watched a few clips on YouTube and heard some songs from the live CD - was there something wrong with Geddy's voice on that tour? It has probably been discussed before in this thread, but something about his voice sounds iffy when I listen to the clips.

I want to get this DVD for the entire Moving Pictures live (and finally The Camera Eye!) though.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on December 29, 2011, 04:39:02 AM
I skimmed reviews of the Time Machine DVD on Amazon when it came out, and most of them noted the poor quality of Geddy's vocals. Maybe he just had an off night?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on December 29, 2011, 05:20:55 AM
Yeah.  Geddy can't hit all the notes anymore but don't let that sway you on this DVD  Zy. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jingle.boy on December 29, 2011, 06:43:54 AM
I'm thinking about getting the Time Machine DVD but I've watched a few clips on YouTube and heard some songs from the live CD - was there something wrong with Geddy's voice on that tour? It has probably been discussed before in this thread, but something about his voice sounds iffy when I listen to the clips.

I want to get this DVD for the entire Moving Pictures live (and finally The Camera Eye!) though.

I'm about 2/3 of the way thru it (been listening 30 minutes at a time while on the exercise bike).  I had heard his voice wasn't so hot either, but still asked for (and got) the DVD as a Christmas gift.  Honestly, it's hit and miss.  There are some songs (and moments within songs) where it's cringe-worthy.  Presto and The Camera Eye quickly come to mind.  Otherwise, it's about the same as the other 2000's releases.

Now, I can't believe I'm actually about to say this, but I'm almost starting to get tired of their DVD releases.  I have them all... everything from Rush in Rio on, as well as all three Replay DVDs.  There isn't a lot new that I can hear from them.  I mean, there's only so many versions of Freewill, Limelight, Tom Sawyer, Spirit of Radio, Subdivisions .... that I want/need.  On quick scan (and going by memory) it looks like only 7 songs are unique/new (ie, not on any other DVD)... which means I've seen 18 of them before.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on December 29, 2011, 07:37:55 AM
Funny, I was just telling a friend that the other day.  I usually wear a new Rush release out with playing it to death, but I haven't this time.  I think the oversaturation of live releases in the last decade has made them feel less special.  And like you said, as much as I love those songs, hearing another new live version of Tom Sawyer, Limelight, etc. doesn't excite me.

As for Geddy's voice, the dude is old.  Like almost 60.  Considering how he used to sing (see: shriek :lol), the fact that his voice has held up as well as it has is amazing, so you gotta cut him some slack, even when he is clearly struggling on certain tunes. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on December 29, 2011, 08:09:00 AM
I read that he had a bad head cold that night, but that was the night they had all the equipment ready to go, and they specifically wanted to record that show, because it was Cleveland, where it all started, so they just went with it.  I've watched it twice, and yeah he voice has a weird quality to it, but after a while I just get used to it and enjoy the music.  But I can definitely see how it would bug some people.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on December 29, 2011, 08:16:43 AM
I definitely have to agree with the over saturation of live releases.

Rush in Rio is what originally got me into the band and I watched it constantly, so when R30 came out, I absolutely had to have it, but at the end of the day, I really didn't watch it that much. Maybe only once since its release. So by the time Snakes and Arrows live came out I realized that I didn't really need it or honestly really want it either. And I feel the same way about live in Cleavland, pretty much indifferent.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jjrock88 on December 29, 2011, 09:16:58 PM
I didn't buy the dvd, only the cd.  I tend not to watch music dvds that often; however, I will listen over and over again to a cd.  It's not just with Rush, but all bands.  I am still getting around to watching dvds that I bought 1-2 years ago.  Just find it easier to sit back with headphones and listen inside or listen to music in the car; rather than watching the dvd.  I like the new time machine disc but if I am in the mood for live Rush, I will grab ATWAS or ESL first.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on December 29, 2011, 09:34:58 PM
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/rush-complete-recording-of-clockwork-angels/

Quote
Heading into the holidays last weekend, Rush moved one step closer to wrapping up their long awaited ‘Clockwork Angels’ album with engineer Richard Chycki, tweeting this past Tuesday (Dec. 20) that initial tracking had been completed.


The members of Rush spent the past two months recording in Toronto at Revolution Sound with Chycki and producer Nick Raskulinecz. Geddy Lee has said that the first two songs from the album, ‘Caravan’ and ‘BU2B’ are a “great indication of where this album’s going,” but he also expressed that the album will have “much more variety.”

Preparing for their first album in five years, the band looked back to where they left off with 2007’s ‘Snakes and Arrows,’ and Lee says that while they were happy with the album, he felt like “we kind of overdid it with overdubs.”

This time around, they’re working to “simplify” the process to focus on making the guitar, bass and drum sounds “big, loud and clear.” Lee cautions that if they do employ overdubs, they want to be careful to make sure that it “definitely is adding and not subtracting” from the impact of the final product.

Guitarist Alex Lifeson said in an interview with Planet Rock that the band went into the sessions with five songs written, with plans to write five to six additional songs. While he says that things got off to a slow start, all of the necessary songs for the project had been written by the end of the first month of recording.

It appears that ‘Clockwork Angels’ will find the band stretching out, with most of the songs clocking in at six minutes, with three or four of those songs running over seven minutes.

Rush will head back into the studio in early 2012 to mix the project and according to Lifeson, they could be back on the road to promote the new album as soon as May or June.

So, if everything we've heard about the tracks so far is true, the first five tracks (including "Caravan" and "BU2B") form a suite comprising the story/concept of "Clockwork Angels", there's a multi-part title track (which may or may not be part of the 5-song suite), and many of the tracks (at least 8, possibly 9 or 10) run over 6 minutes long, with three-or-four running over 7 minutes long.

If 3 tracks run 7 minutes, and with 5-6 more at 6 minutes, I think we're looking at an album that's about 60-65 minutes long, which is about as much music the last two albums have been (67:15 for VT and 62:45 for S&A). This is looking better and better! If they plan on touring in May or June, hopefully the new album comes out by then!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on December 30, 2011, 09:10:29 AM
^^^^

I am all for longer songs and an overall concept album.  :tup

 I can't wait for this album and tour, to the point where I've been saving money for over a year now to get some decent seats this time, instead of the nosebleeds I had for the Time Machine Tour  :'(
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on January 03, 2012, 10:31:03 PM
I'm thinking about getting the Time Machine DVD but I've watched a few clips on YouTube and heard some songs from the live CD - was there something wrong with Geddy's voice on that tour? It has probably been discussed before in this thread, but something about his voice sounds iffy when I listen to the clips.

I want to get this DVD for the entire Moving Pictures live (and finally The Camera Eye!) though.

He had a bad cold that night.

Unfortunate? Yes. But the show must go on and it happened to be that this one had long planned to be recorded.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on January 03, 2012, 10:42:28 PM
how much you guys wanna bet that this album actually comes out sometime in 2013

I'm not trying to jinx it; I'm just saying. I don't have much faith in them to actually get it out this year. I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on January 03, 2012, 10:44:28 PM
I definitely have to agree with the over saturation of live releases.

Rush in Rio is what originally got me into the band and I watched it constantly, so when R30 came out, I absolutely had to have it, but at the end of the day, I really didn't watch it that much. Maybe only once since its release. So by the time Snakes and Arrows live came out I realized that I didn't really need it or honestly really want it either. And I feel the same way about live in Cleavland, pretty much indifferent.

The only sub-par DVD in the 10 year-run in my opinion is R30 (although neccessary to fans because of the bonus footage) because of the performances were not consistently great.

Other than that, I love each and every one of them for different reasons.

Sure, I could do without Tom Sawyer and Limelight, but I'd rather suffer through them to get Presto or Faithless. And does anyone REALLY get tired of hearing La Villa Strangiato or Leave That Thing Alone?




And none of these have the whole version of 2112 which should be remedied in 2012.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on January 03, 2012, 10:46:42 PM
how much you guys wanna bet that this album actually comes out sometime in 2013

I'm not trying to jinx it; I'm just saying. I don't have much faith in them to actually get it out this year. I'm not holding my breath.

It will be out by September at the very latest.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on January 03, 2012, 11:02:39 PM
how much you guys wanna bet that this album actually comes out sometime in 2013

I'm not trying to jinx it; I'm just saying. I don't have much faith in them to actually get it out this year. I'm not holding my breath.

It will be out by September at the very latest.

Not sure if serious...

...On a serious note, when do you think we'll get any samples of the material, ya know, other than "Caravan" and "BU2B"? I don't think I've ever anticipated an album more than this, and I think releasing the single back in 2010 definitely got a lot of fans appetites whetted.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on January 03, 2012, 11:04:55 PM
That's what's so freaking bizarre. What other band releases a single almost 2 years before releasing the album? That's insane.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on January 03, 2012, 11:14:07 PM
That's what's so freaking bizarre. What other band releases a single almost 2 years before releasing the album? That's insane.

Rush does! :lol

But what I'm wondering the most...will they add/subtract anything from those two tracks when they put them on the album proper, or will the tracks remain mostly the same?

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on January 03, 2012, 11:21:10 PM
God help us if they decide to re-work those songs. For one thing, fans are used to the way they are after listening to them for so long. Also, changing those songs would mean we would have to wait at least another 6 months.

I apologize for my cynicism. I just think it's silly how so many bands are getting in the habit of delaying releases nowadays. It's getting tiresome.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on January 03, 2012, 11:30:51 PM
God help us if they decide to re-work those songs. For one thing, fans are used to the way they are after listening to them for so long. Also, changing those songs would mean we would have to wait at least another 6 months.

I apologize for my cynicism. I just think it's silly how so many bands are getting in the habit of delaying releases nowadays. It's getting tiresome.

Well I don't mean radically altering them in sound or structure, but possibly adding or changing the layering, with over-dubs or what not. I doubt they took the songs and said "Hey, I didn't like this part after we wrote it, recorded it, released, it and played it for a year on the road"...but I think they'll probably keep them mostly the same, and if the only changes are made in mix or mastering just to match the rest of the record, then that's cool too.

As for delaying this album, I think it's just been because they went on tour, so there wasn't a good chunk of time for them to hit a studio and record, but the last half of 2011 seemed like a good long enough time for them to do it, and now they seem pretty confident that, with mixing going on now, they'll release by mid-to-late spring of this year so they can go back on tour in May or June.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on January 04, 2012, 12:27:32 AM
I'm thinking about getting the Time Machine DVD but I've watched a few clips on YouTube and heard some songs from the live CD - was there something wrong with Geddy's voice on that tour? It has probably been discussed before in this thread, but something about his voice sounds iffy when I listen to the clips.

I want to get this DVD for the entire Moving Pictures live (and finally The Camera Eye!) though.

He had a bad cold that night.

Unfortunate? Yes. But the show must go on and it happened to be that this one had long planned to be recorded.

Aha, thanks :)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on January 04, 2012, 12:31:44 AM
how much you guys wanna bet that this album actually comes out sometime in 2013

I'm not trying to jinx it; I'm just saying. I don't have much faith in them to actually get it out this year. I'm not holding my breath.

It will be out by September at the very latest.

Not sure if serious...

...On a serious note, when do you think we'll get any samples of the material, ya know, other than "Caravan" and "BU2B"? I don't think I've ever anticipated an album more than this, and I think releasing the single back in 2010 definitely got a lot of fans appetites whetted.

-Marc.

I'm just using common sense. I claim no insider knowledge.

Based on what they've revealed over the last few months, the only thing that would delay things are if they aren't happy with the mixes. The album is done. If all goes well, my guess would be in time for the tour.

I think the versions of the songs we've already heard will be closer to what's on the Time Machine DVD than the original 2010 release as far as the new album is concerned. At least, if you go by what they originally said last year thatthey liked how the songs took on a life of their own as the tour progressed.


I'm not holding my breath either. There's plenty of music to enjoy in the meantime. When it comes out, it comes out.  That's not meant to throw ice on anyone else's anticipation, that's only how I feel. It's actually cool that so many people are really looking forward to it.


Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on January 04, 2012, 07:40:28 AM
From what I've read and from past mixes.  May or June seem reasonable for the release,
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on January 04, 2012, 04:02:41 PM
https://www.2112.net/powerwindows/coverpics/ClassicRock167.pdf

Looks like May is the targeted month of release, which was the same month of release as VT (02) and S&A (07)!

Hopefully, if/when they get around to it, they release their NEXT-next album before 2017 (ya know, instead of taking Tool-sized lengths of time between albums).

Nice to hear that the title track is shaping up to be a lengthy Rush classic!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on January 10, 2012, 07:16:34 PM
There's a rumor floating around that the tour will start in September.

If true, this will give me more time to save money...because tickets will be more this year. It also likely means indoor shows.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on January 10, 2012, 08:55:13 PM
There's a rumor floating around that the tour will start in September.

If true, this will give me more time to save money...because tickets will be more this year. It also likely means indoor shows.

I am totally all for this. I also need time to continue saving up money, so a Fall tour works for me. And also, I definitely prefer indoor acoustics compared to the open amphitheaters.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on January 10, 2012, 09:32:43 PM
Yeah, later the better, I don't have enough money for a Rush tour right now.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on January 12, 2012, 05:41:53 AM
I'm trying to not wait another freaking year to see them, but if it's September it's September
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nekov on January 13, 2012, 09:36:29 AM
I wish Rush would come near me. I've only seen them once  :'(. Stop complaining you lucky bastards!!!

Also this is my (https://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSpeH9EmN3VPFahWQRYmRnzBF3kmtKGwTw23MdObC-yRhg9W4Eu) post so I thought this was the correct thread for it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: WindMaster on January 17, 2012, 04:37:54 PM
 :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on January 18, 2012, 07:53:25 AM
Just watching Time Machine for the first time. the stage looks cool and neil's kit could be the coolest I've ever seen. Very steampunk. Those cymbals are the coolest.
Cool.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on January 18, 2012, 08:01:33 AM
cool
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on January 18, 2012, 11:15:57 AM
My wife, who is not a prog fan or even a Rush fan, watched part of it with me, and she also commented on the cymbals.  She thought his whole kit looked pretty sweet.  And she's right.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on January 19, 2012, 03:46:05 PM
My wife, who is not a prog fan or even a Rush fan, watched part of it with me, and she also commented on the cymbals.  She thought his whole kit looked pretty sweet.  And she's right.


Probably my favorite kit and set design ever. I know a lot of detail went into the R30 kit, but the color didn't do much for me.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on January 20, 2012, 10:09:53 AM
I think the R30 kit remains my favorite.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: WindMaster on January 23, 2012, 03:59:25 PM
The Time Machine kit just gives me a drumgasm. Those cymbals look amazing.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TempusVox on January 25, 2012, 09:40:18 PM
Just got this text from Geddy about 6 minutes ago.

"Thank Freyja. Nearly finished. Whew!"

 :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on January 25, 2012, 09:50:45 PM
So the album should be out by 2015 then?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on January 25, 2012, 11:03:57 PM
^^^^

I legit lol'd
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on January 25, 2012, 11:34:34 PM
^^^^

I legit lol'd

I hope you didn't wake Luanne.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on January 26, 2012, 11:33:25 AM
Please like my Facebook Rush page....
https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-National-Midnight-Starman/260338560689841
Thank you! :tick2:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on January 26, 2012, 11:47:36 AM
From a photographer's status update on Facebook:

"Word has just come out that legendary Canadian music photographer Andrew McNaughtan has died in LA of a heart attack while on photo assignment with RUSH. His photos have been the cement in hundreds of Canadian music careers. Some of the most iconic images to grace album and magazine covers. This is a huge loss. Condolences to friends and family."
 :sad: Very sad day for the Rush community.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on January 27, 2012, 11:27:12 PM
Sad news. Read this yesterday. Still a little shocked about it.
 
I'd emailed him a few times over the years asking him if he would make certain prints I liked from the tourbooks available. Really nice guy based on my very limited contact with him.
 
I bought some Euro Roll The Bones tickets from him after he'd used two of them as design props on pages 160 and 161 of the Contents Under Pressure Book.
 
He'll be missed.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on January 28, 2012, 05:47:37 AM
Please like my Facebook Rush page....
https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-National-Midnight-Starman/260338560689841
Thank you! :tick2:

The National Midnight Star was the first and only place for Rush New in the 90's on the internet!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: SeventhSon on January 28, 2012, 10:05:04 AM
I love Rush. For my money, the best era of Rush is from 2112 through Moving Pictures. That isn't to say the other albums are no good, but as far as classic Rush albums are concerned, you can't go wrong with any of those five. The other day I was listening to Hemispheres and decided to make a best-of album combining my favourite songs from A Farewell to Kings and Hemispheres. Then I realized that both albums will fit on one CD, so I made "A Farewell to Hemispheres" and "Permanent Pictures" for the car.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on January 28, 2012, 10:52:15 AM
Awesome.  Reminds me of the old days, finding two albums that are similar or otherwise go together somehow and putting them on opposite sides of a C-90 cassette for in the car.  I had 2112 and Moving Pictures together just because they're my two favorites, A Farewell to Kings and Hemispheres were a natural.  Plus, with auto-reverse, you "segued" from Book One to Book Two.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on January 28, 2012, 11:26:55 AM
So the rumor now on Rushisaband.com is that the tour will not start to the fall.  Dammit.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on January 28, 2012, 11:32:50 AM
I heard that as well, and I must say that that pleases me.  After a decade of seeing Rush outside, I am ready to see them indoors again.  I hope they do a fall tour and bring back the lasers and cool lights they always used to feature.  They simply do not work as well outside (especially in the first set, which it is often still light outside).

The question is this: what never played before song that is not from the album they are touring on will they pull out for this tour?  They have done that on every tour since returning except R30 (Between Sun and Moon on the VT tour, Entre Nous on the S&A tour, and Presto on the TM tour), so odds are that they will do it again.  I could see Cut to the Chase or maybe something from Vapor Trails that was never played, like the title track (minus the 's').  I'd love to see Everyday Glory or Open Secrets, but those probably don't stand a chance. 

I'd also like to see the return of The Analog Kid and Nobody's Hero.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on January 28, 2012, 11:41:58 AM
I would love to hear,

Vapor Trails (Alec with the double neck FTW)
Cut To The Chase
Open Secrets
Totem
Kid Gloves
MIDDLETON DREAMS DAMMIT!!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on January 28, 2012, 11:45:30 AM
Oh, and if they are gonna play something from Vapor Trails, and it is gonna be something they have played before, please make it Earthshine, not One Little Victory or Secret Touch.

Middletown Dreams would be awesome, but since Power Windows got the "song that hadn't been played in a long time" treatment with Marathon on the last tour, they might aim for a different album next time in that regard.  But you never know.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on January 28, 2012, 11:50:13 AM
I think it's more realistic to pick the 80's and 90's for Geddy.  It's too had these days to hit those old high notes.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on January 28, 2012, 01:39:22 PM
I prefer indoor Rush, but I hate having to wait until September to see them. Hoping they play Armor and Sword as well as The Way The Wind Blows. Still love Snakes and Arrows.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on January 28, 2012, 08:42:41 PM
I have to decide if i want to pony up the $150/ticket to see 60-70% of the same setlist that they've played for the past decade.  If they played all new songs - B-sides and whatnot - i'd pay $500 for a ticket.  But to see Tom Sawyer, Spirit of Radio, 2112/Temples, etc etc. one more time... meh. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on January 28, 2012, 09:00:51 PM
I've only ever seen Rush indoors.  The closest I came to outdoor Rush was when they played Merriweather Post Pavillion in the 90's when I lived in Columbia, MD.  You could hear them doing the sound check from across the street at the ATM.

Cool story, bro. :tup
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on January 28, 2012, 11:31:36 PM
I have to decide if i want to pony up the $150/ticket to see 60-70% of the same setlist that they've played for the past decade.  If they played all new songs - B-sides and whatnot - i'd pay $500 for a ticket.  But to see Tom Sawyer, Spirit of Radio, 2112/Temples, etc etc. one more time... meh.

To be honest, I know a lot of Rush fans are a bit drained on the classics that come back every tour, but when you think about it, I would just be glad that it's the same three guys doing those songs - not a SINGLE line-up change since their first tour, and while the instruments and technology have evolved and the sound and light shows have grown, it's still Alex, Neil and Geddy up there, every show, doing those songs. And as a Rush fan of over 10 years now, I've yet to see them live, so if/when I do some day, I'll still be excited to hear Neil do the opening groove of "Tom Sawyer", or that winding intro sound to "2112", or that blazing guitar riff that opens "The Spirit Of Radio". The band are a true live experience, and I don't think any Rush tour would be complete without those songs.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on January 28, 2012, 11:34:19 PM
I could do without Limelight now (still love the tune, but it kind of bores me live lately), but the others are always awesome live no matter how many times I see them.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on January 28, 2012, 11:39:12 PM
Honestly, I don't give a shit what they play. I just want to see them once before they retire.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on January 29, 2012, 09:16:44 AM
I've only seen them twice, so everything is still pretty new for me.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on January 29, 2012, 09:19:33 AM
Yeah but for someone like me who has seen them 28 times, I'm with Kev but I understand why they have to play staples.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on January 29, 2012, 07:27:07 PM
I would just like them to come anywhere within Atlantic Canada during the next tour. There are suitable venues, and more than enough demand. It's just odd that they keep neglecting an entire region of their home country.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on January 29, 2012, 11:06:01 PM
I'm with Kev that I reeeeeeeeeally want to see "Everyday Glory" or "Cut to the Chase" live.  They gave Counterparts some love on the Time Machine tour but we need a better song than "Stick it Out." :D  I could see something from Hold Your Fire like Turn the Page getting played live, and maybe something like The Weapon as well.  I like how Rush have added a few oddball songs into their sets over the last few tours.  Those would qualify.

EDIT: after three legs of a Moving Pictures tour, I wouldn't be surprised if they just played Tom Sawyer and YYZ from that album and left off Limelight.  I have a feeling that Vapor Trails would be excluded again, and probably just one song from S&A (I'd rather it not be Far Cry just to let other songs get a chance, even though its awesome). 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on January 29, 2012, 11:09:12 PM
The problem with playing Turn the Page now is that Geddy has been using that really aggressive bass tone for years now (even live on the songs that didn't originally have it), and I am not sure that would sound good on Turn the Page, which is driven by that smooth bass line.  In short, Geddy doesn't come close to using the bass tone that is needed to do Turn the Page real justice anymore.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on January 30, 2012, 06:09:17 AM
The problem with playing Turn the Page now is that Geddy has been using that really aggressive bass tone for years now (even live on the songs that didn't originally have it), and I am not sure that would sound good on Turn the Page, which is driven by that smooth bass line.  In short, Geddy doesn't come close to using the bass tone that is needed to do Turn the Page real justice anymore.

But sometimes just the little change in a sound for a song gived them a kickin the pants and makes the song seem fresh again.  Sometimes in some of the older song you see them add a few bars and change things around just to do so.  Examples.  Presto & Natural Science.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on January 30, 2012, 12:48:34 PM
True that.

And I've decided that I want them to play all of Power Windows on tour this year.  TV, make it happen. :biggrin: :hat
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on January 30, 2012, 02:19:44 PM
I think no one in their right mind would object to that.  I'd love it!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on January 30, 2012, 02:38:54 PM
Them playing all of Power Windows would definitely be sweet.

Either PW, Hemispheres or 2112 are the albums that I would lobby for the most.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on January 30, 2012, 03:36:35 PM
I think no one in their right mind would object to that.  I'd love it!

I've seen every song live but Emotion Detector live.  I would love that.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Metro on January 30, 2012, 03:38:14 PM
Found Hempisheres and A Farewell to kings on Vinyl the other day. Listening to Xanadu right now and LOVING it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on January 31, 2012, 03:37:46 PM
I'm sick of hearing Limleight and Tom Sawyer myself (and maybe Closer To The Heart but they did freshen it up the last time.)

I don't see Power Windows getting played all the way through. I doubt Geddy wants to spend three-quarters of an hour trapped behind a bank of keyboards or waiting to trigger a bunch of sounds when he could be rocking out on his bass.

A song here or there? No problem. But not an entire album.





2112 Listening Party tomorrow?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 31, 2012, 06:32:05 PM
Well since they played my 2 favorite Rush songs on the TM tour (La Villa Strangiato and Marathon), they need to play 2 other of my favorites: Grand Designs and The Pass.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 31, 2012, 11:18:28 PM
Happy 2112 day y'all!!!

(https://amazingdata.com/mediadata20/Image/interesting_nifty_funny_amazing_geddy-lee200907241510413697.jpg)

(https://cdn.mos.musicradar.com/images/artist-news/rush/alex-lifeson-live-paul-reed-smith-corbis-460-100-460-70.jpg)

(https://www.vagalume.com.br/rush/images/g1164.jpg)

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Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The King in Crimson on January 31, 2012, 11:25:09 PM
WE ARE THE PRIESTS... OF THE TEMPLES... OF SYRINX!
 :metal

Gonna play me some Rush today!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on January 31, 2012, 11:25:42 PM
That's such an awkward picture of Geddy :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on January 31, 2012, 11:28:42 PM
GUP Geddy, reunion Alex, and mid-70s (2112?) Neil?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on January 31, 2012, 11:33:51 PM
 :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 31, 2012, 11:55:17 PM
GUP Geddy, reunion Alex, and mid-70s (2112?) Neil?

Not sure. Just the results of a less-than-impressive quest to find funny/embarrassing pics of them.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on February 01, 2012, 12:32:18 AM
I'll be sure to play 2112 today :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 01, 2012, 05:37:38 AM
I'll be sure to play 2112 today :metal

I'm putting it on now  :metal :metal :metal :metal

Happy 2112 day
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Elite on February 01, 2012, 07:46:46 AM
Happy 2112 day!

I'm seeing DT tonight, hoping they will play a Rush song, to honour them once more.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 01, 2012, 03:09:31 PM
The local rock radio station is playing all of side 1 of 2112! Killer!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on February 02, 2012, 10:51:46 AM
Tom Sawyer performed (badly) on American Idol last night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl--agg2JB4

Oof.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on February 02, 2012, 11:07:07 AM
Randy: "In your mind, is that the way Geddy Lee from the band sounds to you?"
Singer: "Well, I'm hoping I don't sound exactly like him, but..."
Randy: "No, he actually sounds really good."

 :rollin
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on February 02, 2012, 11:09:16 AM
The guy could have gone with an easier song. I mean, to go out and try to sing Tom Sawyer without any music or anything is just plain wrong.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on February 02, 2012, 04:19:48 PM
I thought he did a pretty good job!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jjrock88 on February 02, 2012, 05:42:44 PM
Still waiting to see somebody audition by singing Iron Maiden.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on February 08, 2012, 09:07:26 AM
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Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on February 08, 2012, 09:27:40 AM
 :drool:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ultimetalhead on February 08, 2012, 09:37:17 AM
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I would never want two girls with horrible grammar fighting over Rush. Girls aren't supposed to like Rush. That's the deal.  :P
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on February 08, 2012, 09:39:08 AM
Every time this thread is bumped, I get hopeful that there's Clockwork Angels news (track lengths and the like), but I know that will never happen.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on February 08, 2012, 09:41:52 AM
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I would never want two girls with horrible grammar fighting over Rush. Girls aren't supposed to like Rush. That's the deal.  :P
Liar.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 08, 2012, 11:13:22 AM
Every time this thread is bumped, I get hopeful that there's Clockwork Angels news (track lengths and the like), but I know that will never happen.

Me too.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on February 08, 2012, 12:56:47 PM
Being a Rush fan makes you feel like you're 5 years old again, in a treehouse with a sign that reads "boy's club - no girls allowed." And honestly, I don't mind that at all.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on February 08, 2012, 03:44:48 PM
I have several girlfriends over the years who liked some of Rush's music.  Yes, some.  Some was better than none. :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on February 08, 2012, 03:51:33 PM
The wife has gone to every show I've gone for Rush since 1992 except for two shows.  SHE'S KILLING MY WALLET!! :lol

But seriously,   she sings and air drums even on the new songs so it's cool that she loves them too.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on February 08, 2012, 04:00:46 PM
My girlfriend doesn't take much interest in the music I listen to as it's not generally what she would care about, but Rush is one of the bands she has taken a liking to, so that is nice.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: SeventhSon on February 08, 2012, 04:23:00 PM
My girlfriend saw them on the Time Machine tour (before I did!!) when they played Quebec City in 2010. I was hoping to go to one of the Toronto shows in 2010 but I had to work. Luckily they did another leg in 2011 and stopped in Hamilton, so I caught that show. She loves Snakes and Arrows and a smattering of songs from their older albums as well. She isn't a huge fan of Ged's early vocals, but she appreciates the musicianship and the songwriting of the band.


On an unrelated note: I decided to compile a "Best of Rush" 5 CD set, stemming from my putting Farewell to Kings and Hemispheres on one CD and Permanent Waves/Moving Pictures on another. My hope is to have one disc from the selftitled through 2112, one from Signals to Presto, and one from Roll the Bones through to Snakes and Arrows.

Anyone have any recommendations for songs? My lists aren't set in stone, but I'm hoping to have 2-4 songs per album (except 2112, where the title track will suffice)

Here's where I am at the moment:

s/t: no idea (but probably Working Man)
Fly: Anthem, Fly By Night, By-Tor, maybe Beneath, Between & Behind
Caress: Bastille Day, Lakeside Park
2112: 2112

Signals: Subdivisions, Analog Kid, The Weapon, New World Man
Grace: Distant Early Warning, Red Sector A, Between the Wheels
Windows: Marathon, Manhattan Project, Territories
Fire: Force Ten, Time Stand Still, Mission
Presto: Show Don't Tell, The Pass

Roll the Bones: Dreamline, Roll the Bones, Ghost of a Chance
Counterparts: Nobody's Hero, not sure about the rest
Test for Echo: Resist, not sure about the rest
Vapor Trails: One Little Victory, not sure about the rest
Snakes: Far Cry, Workin' Them Angels, Larger Bowl,  Main Monkey Business

I'm not super well-versed with their stuff from Grace onward - my main area of expertise is the late 70s/early 80s. Any recommendations would be appreciated!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ultimetalhead on February 08, 2012, 04:27:37 PM
Leave That Thing Alone very much deserves to be on the Counterparts segment.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on February 08, 2012, 04:29:30 PM
I'd avoid adding another FBN song and put A Passage to Bangkok on the first CD, but if you are content with just the title song from 2112, okay then. :)

Granted, this is all a matter of personal tastes and which songs you like the best, but from Counterparts, I would include Animate and Leave That Thing Alone for sure.  Everyday Glory, Cold Fire and Double Agent are also favorites of mine, but I recognize that they aren't favorites for everyone, so, again, it is a matter of personal taste.

Test for Echo - maybe Driven and/or Totem.

Vapor Trails - Earthshine and Nocturne or Freeze, or maybe ever Vapor Trail

I think the rest of your choices are pretty solid, as far as picking the more popular songs with some stellar deep cuts like Territories, Between the Wheels, Mission, etc. in there as well.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: SeventhSon on February 08, 2012, 04:35:24 PM
The main reason I would leave 2112 as-is is because it just comes across as a tremendous way to end a disc. I feel like putting another song on after it would be really anticlimactic, and I wanted to keep the songs in their running order on each album.


Good call on Leave That Thing Alone, too. They tore it up on the Time Machine Tour and I sorta forgot how awesome it was. Animate is a great tune too.

I was debating putting one of the two epics from Caress on there, but I listened to them both today and came away feeling sort of "meh" about them. Lamneth has some awesome sections but I feel like it doesn't work as well as they thought it would - maybe it's too long or just not well enough put together. Plus it and 2112 would make up over half the disc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jingle.boy on February 08, 2012, 04:37:54 PM
Cold Fire is a must for CP. Agree with Driven for T4E.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on February 08, 2012, 04:43:07 PM
Both epics from Caress... have some absolutely killer parts (and The Necromancer is still in my Rush top 25), but both kind of have that feel of songs you only want to hear every once in a while, not all of the time, IMO.

I think putting other songs from 2112 on the disc, but before 2112 the song, that way the epic still ends the CD, would work nicely, but if you are dead set on having the whole thing it the proper running order, then I see not wanting to have a short song or two "tacked on" so to speak at the end of the CD following the 20-minute plus epic.

2112, Anthem, By-Tor, Fly by Night, Bastille Day and Lakeside Park gives you almost 46 minutes, so with room for like five or six more songs, I still think throwing two more on from 2112 is the best move, and then you could still put three from the debut (What You're Doing would be a great way to kick it off), or maybe two from the debut and then BB&B or In the End from FBN.

On a sidenote, this reminds me of when I used to spend downtime in lecture courses in college trying to come up with the best compilation CDs for Rush and other favorite bands. :)  This was before I got a CD player in my car that plays mp3 CDs, which makes it easy now...I just put nearly everything on one CD (or two in the case of Rush who have too many good songs to even fit on one mp3 CD) and go from there. :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ryzee on February 08, 2012, 05:11:11 PM
Regarding the wives/girlfriends and their like/dislike of Rush discussion:

I'm proud to say that my wife considers herself a Rush fan.  She's seen them twice with me.  Her favorite album? Carress of Steel.  Her favorite Rush song?  The Necromancer  :metal  :metal  :metal

She's generally into indie rock, singer/songwriter stuff and that sort of thing, but sometimes she latches on to the most random stuff from my collection.  Another example: she's obsessed with Ziltoid the Omniscient!  I think that stems more from her being a coffee fan than a metal fan though.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on February 09, 2012, 12:50:17 PM
Yeeeeeees. Kevin J. Anderson is writing a book to go along with the new album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on February 09, 2012, 01:36:56 PM
Yeeeeeees. Kevin J. Anderson OS writing a book to go along with the new album.

https://news.2112.net/2012/02/kevin-j-anderson-writing-clockwork.html

Quote
After dropping hints for a while, finally the big announcement, a new project unlike any other I've ever done...and something that I consider very cool.

Most of you are aware of my long-standing friendship with Neil Peart, the drummer and lyricist from the legendary rock band Rush, as well as how much Rush has influenced my work. My first novel Resurrection, Inc. was closely inspired by the Rush album "Grace Under Pressure," and I can point to dozens of other novels and stories that bear a clear Rush influence.

For more than twenty years, Neil and I have wanted to collaborate on something MAJOR, a way we could tie together our imaginations, and at last that's happening.

I'm writing the novelization of Rush's forthcoming album Clockwork Angels, their first new CD in five years. Imagine if someone had written the novel of The Wall, Tommy, or Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band when those classic albums were released. For Rush fans, CLOCKWORK ANGELS is that project.

I worked together with Neil to flesh out the epic story told over the course of the music, as well as the artist Hugh Syme whose paintings fill the CD booklet. In a young man's quest to follow his dreams, he is caught between the grandiose forces of order and chaos. He travels across a lavish and colorful world of steampunk and alchemy, with lost cities, pirates, anarchists, exotic carnivals, and a rigid Watchmaker who imposes precision on every aspect of daily life. To whet your appetite, Rush released the first two tracks, "Caravan" and "BU2B"-listen to those songs to get an idea of the story's beginning.

I'm writing the chapters now, incorporating the lyrics into the narrative, and having a fantastic time. More details to come, but for now-to quote a line from Caravan: "I can't stop thinking big."

Sounds like a GREAT idea, and I cannot wait to read it! I figure the album will be out well before the book, so it'll be interesting to read the book with the album having been out for a couple months. When news like THIS drops, I just get even more and MORE excited for the release of Clockwork Angels!!!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on February 09, 2012, 02:02:20 PM
Yeeeeeees. Kevin J. Anderson OS writing a book to go along with the new album.

So this is Tempus Vox's secret project
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on February 09, 2012, 07:26:13 PM
That is a really cool idea.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on February 09, 2012, 08:34:15 PM
SQEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAALLLLLLLLLL!!!!!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on February 09, 2012, 09:10:56 PM
My interest in Clockwork Angels inexplicably got much, much higher. I didn't think that was possible.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on February 09, 2012, 09:33:02 PM
The novels KJA wrote in conjunction with the Roswell Six prog CDs were fantastic, so I can't wait for this book.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on February 14, 2012, 10:06:46 PM
Check out this really sweet acoustic cover of The Pass by a fan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg7EqOCIPHk
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on February 17, 2012, 04:26:57 PM
So, over the last few tours they've pulled out some gems that nobody expected. Circumstances, Digital Man, Presto, Marathon, etc.

So, here are a list of songs I'd kill to see live, that are rarely played (chronologically)

The Twilight Zone
Lessons
Cygnus X-1 (yeah yeah, a longshot, but whatever)
Xanadu
Different Strings
The Weapon
Losing It
Countdown
Grand Designs
Middletown Dreams
Open Secrets
The Big Wheel
Neurotica (I must be the only person who likes this)
Cut to the Chase (PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLAY THIS AT LEAST ONCE)

I discount Fly By Night, albeit grudgingly, based on Geddy's vocal abilities...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on February 17, 2012, 04:30:37 PM
Why is Cygnus X-1 a long shot?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on February 17, 2012, 04:38:22 PM
Just imagine Geddy trying to sing this:

SPINNING, WHIRLING, STILL DESCENDING LIKE A SPIRAL SEA UNENDING
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on February 17, 2012, 04:40:31 PM
I just cringed a little
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on February 17, 2012, 04:40:49 PM
Anything Hemisphere's and down it very rough on Ged's voice.  We may hear a verse in a medley but I think that's it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on February 17, 2012, 10:38:43 PM
Losing It would be amazing, Countdown would be really cool as well.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on February 17, 2012, 10:59:33 PM
Anything from Signals (including the obvious ones) would be really cool. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on February 17, 2012, 11:40:12 PM
The Analog Kid
Everyday Glory
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on February 18, 2012, 09:09:14 AM
I'd drop down to my knees and thank Jesus if they ever played Losing It or Everyday Glory, but I'd shocked to ever see either.  Everyday Glory is a dreaded last track (they haven't played any of their last tracks from an album since 1985's Power Windows), and Losing It would require too much triggering of violin, including the solo.  Hard to envision the band wanting to play a song where they have to trigger the solo in it since it was played by someone else.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on February 18, 2012, 12:29:25 PM
I'd drop down to my knees and thank Jesus if they ever played Losing It or Everyday Glory, but I'd shocked to ever see either.  Everyday Glory is a dreaded last track (they haven't played any of their last tracks from an album since 1985's Power Windows), and Losing It would require too much triggering of violin, including the solo.  Hard to envision the band wanting to play a song where they have to trigger the solo in it since it was played by someone else.

I suppose Alex could play the violin solo on guitar? It'd be an interesting take, but they've not been above re-arranging tunes lately, so I think it'd be better than nothing just to hear this song played live!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on February 18, 2012, 12:33:04 PM
I'd drop down to my knees and thank Jesus if they ever played Losing It or Everyday Glory, but I'd shocked to ever see either.  Everyday Glory is a dreaded last track (they haven't played any of their last tracks from an album since 1985's Power Windows)

Oh wow, you're right about that!  Kinda surprising.  Especially considering how awesome "Everyday Glory" is.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on February 18, 2012, 12:40:10 PM
I'd drop down to my knees and thank Jesus if they ever played Losing It or Everyday Glory, but I'd shocked to ever see either.  Everyday Glory is a dreaded last track (they haven't played any of their last tracks from an album since 1985's Power Windows)

Oh wow, you're right about that!  Kinda surprising.  Especially considering how awesome "Everyday Glory" is.

And what's more, many of their closing tracks are pretty awesome, especially "Everyday Glory", "Available Light" and "Out Of The Cradle" (yes, I really do like that song).

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on February 18, 2012, 02:30:50 PM
I love all of these suggestions.  Anything different from the usual suspects.  Rush's back catalog is almost all genius. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on February 19, 2012, 06:00:25 AM
This was posted on rushisaband.com

"Big Al needs the Gibson double neck back for summer rehearsals and the upcoming Rush tour in September, anyone else want to give me one, maybe Gibson?"

All I can hope for is Vapor Trails.  PLEEEEEASE?!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on February 19, 2012, 06:14:56 AM
(https://www.tdpri.com/forum/attachments/bad-dog-cafe/36057d1260116353-saw-someone-playing-gibson-doubleneck-recently-wasnt-jimmy-page-lifeson-2neck-jpg)

Xanadu?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on February 19, 2012, 09:27:13 AM
Xanadu is the obvious implication, and that would make me extremely happy.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on February 19, 2012, 09:27:53 AM
Hopefully it's the whole thing
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on February 19, 2012, 09:55:34 AM
Hopefully it's the whole thing

Well, they have been playing more and more of it lately, the last thing would be playing ALL of it now. What other songs (could) utilize a double-neck for Alex, both old AND new songs??

Also, there's the possibility that any of the songs on the NEW album could use/require the use of a double-neck guitar.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on February 19, 2012, 10:05:13 AM
Doesn't Hemispheres also make use of the double neck?  When they did the Xanadu/Hemispheres: Prelude back-to-back on the CP tour, I know Alex used the double neck for Xanadu, and I am pretty sure he used it for the Prelude as well. 

So, while Xanadu is probably the safe guess, you never know...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on February 19, 2012, 10:13:01 AM
Doesn't Hemispheres also make use of the double neck?  When they did the Xanadu/Hemispheres: Prelude back-to-back on the CP tour, I know Alex used the double neck for Xanadu, and I am pretty sure he used it for the Prelude as well. 

So, while Xanadu is probably the safe guess, you never know...

Hearing ANY part of "Hemispheres" would be a treat for the next tour, be it the prelude or even just "Armageddon" if it were a part of a medley. I'd even accept the Xanadu/Hemispheres Prelude medley again!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on February 19, 2012, 10:23:07 AM
I want all of Xanadu.  Both times they have played it since I became a fan, they play it in abbreviated form - only the first 7+ minutes on the CP tour, and a shortened version on the R30 tour where they glossed over the first two minutes in like two seconds.  Play that whole damn intro, damn it!!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on February 19, 2012, 01:54:14 PM
We'll be hearing all of 2112 and liking it.


As well as one or three other surprises. (And no, I don't know what they are)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on February 19, 2012, 04:09:20 PM
We'll be hearing all of 2112 and liking it.


As well as one or three other surprises. (And no, I don't know what they are)

Oh how I wish this were true
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on February 22, 2012, 06:22:05 AM
I want to request they drop all the 'standards' this tour. Seriously. Tom Sawyer's slot could go to a much awesomer song
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on February 22, 2012, 09:12:07 AM
I want to request they drop all the 'standards' this tour. Seriously. Tom Sawyer's slot could go to a much awesomer song

Of course, but it will never happen.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on February 22, 2012, 09:42:39 AM
I want to request they drop all the 'standards' this tour. Seriously. Tom Sawyer's slot could go to a much awesomer song

This would be pretty cool, but I think for almost any band you need to consider the first-timer, either new fans who just got into the band or people who have just never had the opportunity before.  You want to make their concert enjoyable, and most of the time that means pulling out your big hits.  Unfortunately for a band like Rush, "Tom Sawyer," "Spirit of Radio," and "Limelight" are basically required songs.  So for that reason I don't think its a problem for them to keep playing Tom Sawyer, especially if everyone still likes playing it. 

Unless that whole "b sides only" tour Alex wanted to do becomes a reality, in which case they'll have to advertise to the general public that "no we aren't playing Tom Sawyer!"  :lol

Maybe some songs like Freewill, Subdivisions, and Far Cry could take a break though. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on February 22, 2012, 10:15:16 AM
I want to request they drop all the 'standards' this tour. Seriously. Tom Sawyer's slot could go to a much awesomer song

This would be pretty cool, but I think for almost any band you need to consider the first-timer, either new fans who just got into the band or people who have just never had the opportunity before.  You want to make their concert enjoyable, and most of the time that means pulling out your big hits.  Unfortunately for a band like Rush, "Tom Sawyer," "Spirit of Radio," and "Limelight" are basically required songs.  So for that reason I don't think its a problem for them to keep playing Tom Sawyer, especially if everyone still likes playing it. 

Unless that whole "b sides only" tour Alex wanted to do becomes a reality, in which case they'll have to advertise to the general public that "no we aren't playing Tom Sawyer!"  :lol

Maybe some songs like Freewill, Subdivisions, and Far Cry could take a break though.

What about an hour of A-Sides (their singles and hits), and then after an intermission, an hour of B-Sides? Ya know, play about 10-12 songs that haven't been played since the 1970s/1980s, or perhaps have NEVER been played, then do an encore that is pretty epic (no medleys!).

I think that would be an interesting tour to do.

Unfortunately, with the upcoming album being something more conceptual, I wouldn't put it past the band to try and play ALL of Clockwork Angels, either straight-through or in chunks. That would mean nearly half the show would be dedicated to the new album (assuming the album is about an hour long, as were the last two), leaving about 70-90 minutes for other music, and you KNOW at least 20 minutes of that will be their hits (TS, TSOR, LL, and a few others, maybe CTTH).

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on February 22, 2012, 10:25:55 AM
I want to request they drop all the 'standards' this tour. Seriously. Tom Sawyer's slot could go to a much awesomer song

This would be pretty cool, but I think for almost any band you need to consider the first-timer, either new fans who just got into the band or people who have just never had the opportunity before.  You want to make their concert enjoyable, and most of the time that means pulling out your big hits.  Unfortunately for a band like Rush, "Tom Sawyer," "Spirit of Radio," and "Limelight" are basically required songs.  So for that reason I don't think its a problem for them to keep playing Tom Sawyer, especially if everyone still likes playing it. 

Unless that whole "b sides only" tour Alex wanted to do becomes a reality, in which case they'll have to advertise to the general public that "no we aren't playing Tom Sawyer!"  :lol

Maybe some songs like Freewill, Subdivisions, and Far Cry could take a break though.

Free Will and subdivions definitely.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on February 22, 2012, 11:42:51 AM
Subdivisions has never really been a standard.  It has been played a lot lately, but was skipped on quite a few tours (CP tour, 2nd leg of the TFE tour, VT tour, etc.). 

Personally, I think Tom Sawyer, The Spirit of Radio and Freewill should always be played, but I wouldn't fret if Limelight and YYZ were given a rest for a while.  Hell, they could play Red Barchetta (which is the best song on MP anyway) and still get in enough of Moving Pictures to keep the casual fans fat and sassy.  And maybe bring back In the Mood (which is short and sweet, not to mention easy to play and easy for Geddy to sing), another popular tune that the casual fans would go crazy over.  See, they could lose Limelight, YYZ and Subdivisions, but still play Tom Sawyer, The Spirit of Radio, Closer to the Heart, 2112, Red Barchetta, In the Mood and Freewill...more than enough "standards" to keep the casual fan happy.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on February 22, 2012, 12:10:37 PM
I'm okay with having a few standards that subsist from tour to tour because A) on most tours, there's usually something novel to get excited about in the set (The Camera Eye!!!@!@!@$!@%!@5) and B) the shows are so long. If Rush suddenly started playing 90-minute shows, I'd expect a bit more variety.

Don't get rid of Limelight, though. I love Limelight.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on February 22, 2012, 12:13:40 PM
I love Limelight as well, but they play it too slow now.  I remember them opening with it on the S&A tour and thinking, "Neil looks like he is playing in slow motion."
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on February 22, 2012, 01:51:18 PM
Tom Sawyer and YYZ are the stples from MP.  They've pulled the other back from time to time.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on February 22, 2012, 01:55:12 PM
Tom Sawyer and YYZ are the stples from MP.  They've pulled the other back from time to time.

True, likewise for "The Spirit Of Radio" and "Freewill" from PEW, and I suppose "Subdivisions" from Signals.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on February 23, 2012, 12:52:37 AM
[lol]

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Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on February 23, 2012, 12:45:23 PM
[lol]

https://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/2012/02/top_20_worst_bands_ever_complete_list.php?page=4

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9. Rush
You realize that Jason Segel's character's obsession with Rush in I Love You Man is tongue in cheek, right? It's often said that people either love Rush or hate them, but a more accurate statement is that most people hate Rush, while a scattered few really love them. Sort of like anchovies; in fact, it's quite fair to call Rush the anchovies of rock music. Then there's the fact that "drummer Neil Peart generally consents only to speak to the drum press," a pantheon that includes in its entirety Modern Drummer and Not So Modern Drummer, if we're not mistaken. -Kai Flanders

[/lol]

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on February 23, 2012, 12:56:20 PM
People who say Rush sucks or that they're great musicians making shitty music or whatever really confuse me.  If a band has sold that many albums for so many years and has that many fans, how can you say they suck?  Is it possible that that's just your opinion, and there's just something about them that you don't get?

The usual response is something like "Yeah, well xxxxx has sold a million records, and you and I both know they suck."  Yes, someone can get lucky or just happen to strike at the right time, and come up with a big hit despite having no real talent.  But not dozens of songs, millions of albums, for more than 30 years.  That's not a flash in the pan, that's genuine staying power.  These guys have been writing gold albums for longer than most pop stars today have been alive.  To say that they suck, just because you don't like them, is just naive.

Technically, there's no such thing as a wrong opinion, but if someone is that successful for that long, you're just plain wrong to say that they suck.  They don't suck; you just don't like them.  Hey, I don't like Elvis Presley, but he sold more albums than any other solo artist and was The King for many, many years.  There's no way I'm stupid enough to say he sucked; I just don't like him.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on February 23, 2012, 01:22:52 PM
[lol]

https://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/2012/02/top_20_worst_bands_ever_complete_list.php?page=4

Quote
9. Rush
You realize that Jason Segel's character's obsession with Rush in I Love You Man is tongue in cheek, right? It's often said that people either love Rush or hate them, but a more accurate statement is that most people hate Rush, while a scattered few really love them. Sort of like anchovies; in fact, it's quite fair to call Rush the anchovies of rock music. Then there's the fact that "drummer Neil Peart generally consents only to speak to the drum press," a pantheon that includes in its entirety Modern Drummer and Not So Modern Drummer, if we're not mistaken. -Kai Flanders

[/lol]
Why would Rush have consented to appear in a film where enjoyment of their music is tongue-in-cheek?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on February 23, 2012, 01:46:21 PM
Because any exposure is good exposure.  Even if most people who saw the movie don't like Rush, people will talk about it, and the ones who do like Rush will get a chance to defend them.  There will be a few converts to the Rush camp.  Maybe not a lot, but a few people will at least give them another try, and some of them will like it.  The opposite will not occur.  Have you ever liked a band, and then stopped liking them because some of your friends didn't?  I mean, since junior high.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on February 23, 2012, 01:55:36 PM
Well, no, you misunderstood me. What I'm saying is that Jason Segel's character's love for Rush was NOT tongue-in-cheek. From Wikipedia:

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Rush was approached by Hamburg [the director], who is a fan, to appear in the film. Even though the band does not normally perform in movies, they decided to do it. The shooting schedule was tough because there was a one day window between two of their concerts on tour. The band later said the whole experience was fun.[16] Hamburg felt that "once Rush got that I wasn't poking fun at them, that I'm genuinely a fan and the main characters of the movie are fans and it's kind of a loving tribute to them, I think that's when they came on board."

If anything, it was supposed to make Jason Segel's and Paul Rudd's friendship a bit more nerdy and tight-knit. It wasn't like the director was saying "OMG they're so lame they like Rush LOL"
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on February 23, 2012, 02:27:19 PM
But my point still stands.  Even if the whole point of appearing in a movie is for people to mock you, you should do it anyway for the exposure.  Granted, most people wouldn't do that, but I still think that ultimately it's a good business decision.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on February 23, 2012, 03:11:59 PM
I don't give a crap what Rush critics say about them.  Rush's highly successful career trumps anything those clowns can say about them. #winning

And I am pretty sure I remember hearing that both Jason Segel and Paul Rudd are big fans of Rush.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on February 23, 2012, 03:20:08 PM
That movie was mocking us rabid, male Rush fans who sing to each other and hug and play air drums and guitar at a Rush concert.  I admit it. :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ReaperKK on February 23, 2012, 06:22:03 PM
[lol]

https://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/2012/02/top_20_worst_bands_ever_complete_list.php?page=4

Quote
9. Rush
You realize that Jason Segel's character's obsession with Rush in I Love You Man is tongue in cheek, right? It's often said that people either love Rush or hate them, but a more accurate statement is that most people hate Rush, while a scattered few really love them. Sort of like anchovies; in fact, it's quite fair to call Rush the anchovies of rock music. Then there's the fact that "drummer Neil Peart generally consents only to speak to the drum press," a pantheon that includes in its entirety Modern Drummer and Not So Modern Drummer, if we're not mistaken. -Kai Flanders

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lol great top 20 trolling on that site.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on February 23, 2012, 07:44:42 PM
Not to mention that Neil talks to all of the press these days.  Probably more non-drumming publications than drumming ones.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on February 23, 2012, 08:42:01 PM
Every so often, some shithead writes an article where they list 'terrible' bands, with about half actually being terrible, and half being bands with devoted fanbases. They do this, because fans of the good bands listed will flock to the article to defend the band they like, and call the author an idiot. They do this as a cheap and pathetic ploy to get page views, and it usually works. Flocking to their article just helps their ad revenue. Don't let yourselves be manipulated like that.

I mean, the person starts the entry on Rush by pulling a 'fact' out of his ass, that can be proven false in 10 seconds with Google. Why waste energy or time on this idiot?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jjrock88 on February 23, 2012, 09:05:48 PM
I just re-watched Beyond the Lighted Stage a couple of days.  Just a great movie and awesome to see people show a true appreciation for this band.  I always hear people slag them; the way I look at it is that if people don't like Rush, so be it.  It's their loss and for the most part there is no point in arguing with somebody who dislikes them.  Off topic, does anybody know if Rush has any unreleased b-sides or rarities in the vault?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on February 23, 2012, 09:09:08 PM
Off topic, does anybody know if Rush has any unreleased b-sides or rarities in the vault?
All things Rush are on-topic.

I don't think it was ever really Rush's thing to record stuff that wouldn't be put on an album. I'd say the most obscure stuff would be their early pre-debut songs, like Not Fade Away and Garden Road.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on February 23, 2012, 09:12:52 PM
Rush have stated that they don't have B-sides. They record enough for the album and that's it. It's why they have the most boring singles of all time. It's usually just a track and a live b-side, or in some cases just another album track.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on February 24, 2012, 07:16:46 AM
Yeah, that's what I've heard as well.  They don't record ten songs and then pick seven to go on the album or anything like that.  So unlike many bands, they don't have a bunch of unreleased material.  The release everything they record.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on February 24, 2012, 07:43:01 AM
Yeah, that's what I've heard as well.  They don't record ten songs and then pick seven to go on the album or anything like that.  So unlike many bands, they don't have a bunch of unreleased material.  The release everything they record.

This and all of the above about the topic are pretty true. They seem to take their time refining their songs to include parts they do want, and taking out the parts that don't work, THEN recording them. And they always seem to record no more than 70 minutes of music, as if they keep track of how long all their songs are as they go along.

The only non-album tracks are their first single ("Not Fade Away"/"You Can't Fight It"), and a few tracks from an old '74 show ("Garden Road", "Fancy Dancer" and "Bad Boy"). Then there are Rush-related solo/side-project things, like "Battle Scar", "Take Off" (with Geddy), and "Pieces Of Eight" (solo piece by Neil that influenced his Rush tour drum solos).

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on February 25, 2012, 08:57:09 AM
So this is what the guy from the David Barrett Trio who worked with Alex on a EP said online about that double neck guitar post I added here.

"Big Al needs the Gibson double neck back for summer rehearsals and the upcoming Rush tour in September, anyone else want to give me one, maybe Gibson? ... kicker is he's using it for a new Rush song, not Xanadu!"

All I can say is awesome.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Metro on February 25, 2012, 10:17:41 AM
I'm looking to get into the Synth era of Rush. I already have Moving Pictures, so where should I go now?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on February 25, 2012, 10:21:00 AM
Moving forward in chronological order would probably be your best bet, that way you can hear the progression and evolvement in each record.  Signals, then Grace Under Pressure, Power Windows and, finally, Hold Your Fire.  Power Windows is the best of the four, but going from MP to that might be too much of a shock to the system, so I'd go in order.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on February 25, 2012, 10:32:33 AM
And let me say that MP really isn't a synth era album, so don't be expecting anything that sounds like MP with those next albums.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mosh on February 25, 2012, 02:03:06 PM
I think Grace Under Pressure is the best synth album.

Honestly, Signals is one of my least favorite Rush albums. Dunno why it is so popular here.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on February 25, 2012, 03:15:26 PM
I think Grace Under Pressure is the best synth album.
If we're talking Signals to Hold Your Fire era, then I definitely agree.
Peoples love of Power Windows will probably always be just one of those things I'll never get.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on February 25, 2012, 03:54:26 PM
I'm looking to get into the Synth era of Rush. I already have Moving Pictures, so where should I go now?

Power Windows > Signals > P/G > Hold Your Fire
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on February 25, 2012, 07:40:04 PM
Moving forward in chronological order would probably be your best bet, that way you can hear the progression and evolvement in each record.  Signals, then Grace Under Pressure, Power Windows and, finally, Hold Your Fire.  Power Windows is the best of the four, but going from MP to that might be too much of a shock to the system, so I'd go in order.


Agreed.  If you're coming from MP, move to Signals next.  It's the next logical step.  From there, either Power Windows or P/G, but realize that PW is much more upbeat and poppy while P/G is much darker and thicker.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on February 25, 2012, 09:12:36 PM
So this is what the guy from the David Barrett Trio who worked with Alex on a EP said online about that double neck guitar post I added here.

"Big Al needs the Gibson double neck back for summer rehearsals and the upcoming Rush tour in September, anyone else want to give me one, maybe Gibson? ... kicker is he's using it for a new Rush song, not Xanadu!"

All I can say is awesome.

Called it! :tup

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on February 26, 2012, 04:31:48 AM
Great call Marc.

Power Windows is an unreal Rush album with keys.  I love how it's so upbeat, and full of emotion.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nekov on February 26, 2012, 08:20:49 AM
Great news. Has the release date been announced yet?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on February 26, 2012, 10:27:24 AM
Great news. Has the release date been announced yet?

Geddy has said in a recent magazine interview that the album is set for a MAY release (Surprise surprise!). I'm hoping for the 8th, as the last two studio albums were released on May 1st and May 14th.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ReaperKK on February 27, 2012, 06:16:26 AM
Great news. Has the release date been announced yet?

Geddy has said in a recent magazine interview that the album is set for a MAY release (Surprise surprise!). I'm hoping for the 8th, as the last two studio albums were released on May 1st and May 14th.

-Marc.

May 2014? :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on February 27, 2012, 06:57:46 AM
Careful; Rush could be reading this.

We wouldn't be wanting to give them any ideas.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ReaperKK on February 27, 2012, 07:01:25 AM
I wonder how many more albums Rush has in them, especially if they start releasing albums with almost Tool sized intervals in between.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on February 27, 2012, 07:11:50 AM
Hopefully a multiple of 4.  Most likely 20, but my my optimistic side's pushing for 24. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on February 27, 2012, 07:12:26 AM
Well for Rush, they don't have to have an album out every few years to keep them in the public eye.  They can put an album out whenever they want to.  Plus, how many bands like them release any albums.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on February 27, 2012, 08:15:18 AM
Hopefully a multiple of 4.  Most likely 20, but my my optimistic side's pushing for 24.

This. I'm hoping we get at LEAST one more album out of them, to make it an even 20 (with the last group/phase of albums being four albums - VT, S&A, CA and their 20th album).

Well for Rush, they don't have to have an album out every few years to keep them in the public eye.  They can put an album out whenever they want to.  Plus, how many bands like them release any albums.

This is pretty much true. A lot of their peer-bands have broken up, suffered many damaging line-up changes, haven't released a new album in over a decade, and a few have reunited with original/famous/altered line-ups to not much success. Say what you will about the music, but the band has stayed together since their first US tour and haven't really broken up (technically they were on hiatus in 1997).

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on February 27, 2012, 08:21:38 AM
Yeah, the only bands that can compete with them when it comes to longevity AND consistency as far as not having lineup changes are ZZ Top and U2 (ZZ Top's got them by a few years, and U2 is a few years behind).
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on February 27, 2012, 08:39:43 AM
Yeah, the only bands that can compete with them when it comes to longevity AND consistency as far as not having lineup changes are ZZ Top and U2 (ZZ Top's got them by a few years, and U2 is a few years behind).

And yet, I'm pretty sure Rush has sold more albums and has more gold/platinum albums than either ZZ Top and U2. However, U2 definitely play to much larger audiences and are more widely recognized, but knowledge doesn't get you money - album sales do.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mosh on February 27, 2012, 05:49:13 PM
I think Rush has 1 album left. I doubt we'll get anymore than that at the rate they release albums. But luckily they tour heavily, and I wouldn't mind it if they kept touring but stopped making albums, I don't think their last few albums have been that great.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on February 27, 2012, 06:01:15 PM
I'd rather they focus more on making albums and less on touring, but to be fair, I may have a bit of a bias seeing as they inexplicably seem to act like Atlantic Canada doesn't exist. Over the last few tours it has gotten pretty irritating. They can't add one date for this entire region, but two nights in such hot spots as Morrison, Colorado? Of course!

I want to be able to see them live without having to drive 16 hours, and without having to worry about travel and hotel costs.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mosh on February 27, 2012, 06:11:32 PM
I agree that they should visit Atlantic Canada, but I have to point something out about Morrison Colorado, and you'll have to take my word for this, as I live in CO.

Morrison itself isn't a "hot spot", but the reason they play there is because of Red Rocks. That is an amazing place to play at, and it isn't much of a drive from Denver to see. It's a very popular venue.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jingle.boy on February 27, 2012, 06:36:38 PM
I agree that they should visit Atlantic Canada, but I have to point something out about Morrison Colorado, and you'll have to take my word for this, as I live in CO.

Morrison itself isn't a "hot spot", but the reason they play there is because of Red Rocks. That is an amazing place to play at, and it isn't much of a drive from Denver to see. It's a very popular venue.

Legendary venue.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ReaperKK on February 27, 2012, 08:23:59 PM
I think Rush has 1 album left. I doubt we'll get anymore than that at the rate they release albums. But luckily they tour heavily, and I wouldn't mind it if they kept touring but stopped making albums, I don't think their last few albums have been that great.

I would imagine it'd be easier to keep releasing studio albums and not touring.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on February 27, 2012, 08:26:55 PM
For a band of Rush's resources they can do whatever the fuck they want. Touring brings home the bacon, and so we can only hope they start getting a lot more drive for new music in their golden years or else I fear we won't see many more albums.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on February 27, 2012, 08:45:15 PM
For a band of Rush's resources they can do whatever the fuck they want. Touring brings home the bacon, and so we can only hope they start getting a lot more drive for new music in their golden years or else I fear we won't see many more albums.

I'd LOVE for this to happen, and while Geddy and Alex seem more driven to tour than Neil does, I can see them resorting to writing and recording every couple years when they can't tour any more (especially now that Neil is a father again).

It could be that the Clockwork Angels Tour would be their last extensive tour, or perhaps the one for the album after that (which, at the current rate, would likely be released anytime between 2014 and 2017), so if all they do after that is recording studio albums, I'd be happy with that.

I'd rather see them do that than what Yes did in the last decade - they only released one album (Magnification) and then toured off-and-on over the next decade before regrouping to record a new album.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on February 27, 2012, 08:48:14 PM
I don't hope for Rush to stop touring any time soon, but when they do I just hope that they still do put out an album every now and again.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mosh on February 27, 2012, 08:49:30 PM
I think Rush has 1 album left. I doubt we'll get anymore than that at the rate they release albums. But luckily they tour heavily, and I wouldn't mind it if they kept touring but stopped making albums, I don't think their last few albums have been that great.

I would imagine it'd be easier to keep releasing studio albums and not touring.
Probably, but Rush seems to be one of those bands where the live show is main thing now, not albums.

I'm eager to see how Clockwork Angels turns out, cos it'll give me a better idea on if I would rather see them tour or make albums.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on March 02, 2012, 08:54:53 PM
https://translate.google.ca/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hmv.co.jp%2Fproduct%2Fdetail%2F4982714&act=url

Looks like Clockwork Angels will be released on MAY 23...or thereabouts, probably the 22nd or the 29th, so about 81/88 days from now!

source - news.2112.net

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mosh on March 02, 2012, 11:37:42 PM
I'm very excited for this.  :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on March 03, 2012, 05:14:53 AM
Kickass.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on March 03, 2012, 06:08:42 AM
Now all we need is a track list with song names and lengths...hoping that news breaks in a couple weeks!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on March 03, 2012, 06:17:31 AM
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Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on March 03, 2012, 08:27:05 AM
Kickass.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: WindMaster on March 03, 2012, 08:28:45 AM
cannot wait for may!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on March 05, 2012, 08:39:44 PM
So this is what the guy from the David Barrett Trio who worked with Alex on a EP said online about that double neck guitar post I added here.

"Big Al needs the Gibson double neck back for summer rehearsals and the upcoming Rush tour in September, anyone else want to give me one, maybe Gibson? ... kicker is he's using it for a new Rush song, not Xanadu!"

All I can say is awesome.

I still have to buy that David Barrett Trio EP. Thanks for reminding me.


I watched Rush from Montreal in 1983 and 1984 over the weekend and the loudest reaction during both of those concerts were for the sporatic use of the lasers. I forget how much of a novelty they were back then.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 06, 2012, 06:49:56 AM
I need to pick it up too. Loved the one song I heard.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 06, 2012, 07:17:14 AM
So this is what the guy from the David Barrett Trio who worked with Alex on a EP said online about that double neck guitar post I added here.

"Big Al needs the Gibson double neck back for summer rehearsals and the upcoming Rush tour in September, anyone else want to give me one, maybe Gibson? ... kicker is he's using it for a new Rush song, not Xanadu!"

All I can say is awesome.

I still have to buy that David Barrett Trio EP. Thanks for reminding me.


I watched Rush from Montreal in 1983 and 1984 over the weekend and the loudest reaction during both of those concerts were for the sporatic use of the lasers. I forget how much of a novelty they were back then.

My entire childhood growing up I heard my uncle talk about the Mythic Rush Lasers and I was so excited to finally see them on Time Machine, but since they played an open/outdoor amphitheater during a bright summer night, they didn't have any lasers at all and I was pretty disappointed. I felt like I was missing out on something pivotal.

I really hope they bring them back for the clockwork tour.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: adace on March 07, 2012, 02:50:07 PM
According to Amazon, it'll be released in North America on May 29. It is ready to pre-order.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007I2BZIE?tag=estengercom-20 (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007I2BZIE?tag=estengercom-20)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 07, 2012, 02:55:37 PM
I am very happy!!  Can't wait to listen to CA.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 07, 2012, 03:13:29 PM
May 29th can't come soon enough.

I wonder If they will introduce a new album art or keep what they have.

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on March 07, 2012, 03:46:43 PM
BEST. NEWS. EVER.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on March 07, 2012, 03:48:15 PM
May 25th can't come fast enough.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on March 07, 2012, 04:12:11 PM
5/29!!! Let the countdown begin...

83 Days!!!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nekov on March 07, 2012, 04:57:12 PM
 :omg: So many good things happening in such a small time span.  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 07, 2012, 07:16:20 PM
5/29!!! Let the countdown begin...

83 Days!!!

-Marc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnD2VUo16PQ
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jjrock88 on March 07, 2012, 08:33:43 PM
awesome news!!!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on March 07, 2012, 11:15:39 PM
So I haven't been keeping up with this thread, are we definitely getting an epic on this album or not?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mosh on March 08, 2012, 12:19:41 AM
Gadough: That seems to be a big possibility.


So Losing It came on a full library shuffle earlier, I can't believe how awesome of a song it is and how I've pretty much skipped over it for years. I'm thinking I might have to revisit Signals soon.

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nekov on March 08, 2012, 03:01:39 AM
We are getting an epic album. That's for sure.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 08, 2012, 05:20:32 AM
Gadough: That seems to be a big possibility.


So Losing It came on a full library shuffle earlier, I can't believe how awesome of a song it is and how I've pretty much skipped over it for years. I'm thinking I might have to revisit Signals soon.

Losing it is one of my top 5 Rush songs and since Signals was one of the last albums I bought, It took me forever to discovery it. But the day I did was really special.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on March 08, 2012, 06:45:21 AM
LOVE Losing It.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 08, 2012, 07:58:39 AM
So I haven't been keeping up with this thread, are we definitely getting an epic on this album or not?

From what I've read is that there is a 5 song suite like 2112. 

Caravan and BU2B are part of it with one long song in the range of 9 minutes. 

Yeah, I'm pumped.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on March 08, 2012, 08:32:02 AM
I haven't heard about any 5-song suite. Where'd you get that information?

I do know that the title track is supposed to be the album's epic centerpiece.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 08, 2012, 09:35:03 AM
Can't show you from work but go to rushisaband.com and they have plenty on it.

Edit.  Found it.

https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2011/12/13/2937/Alex-Lifeson-talks-Clockwork-Angels-in-new-Guitar-World-interview
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 08, 2012, 03:40:12 PM
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Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: WindMaster on March 08, 2012, 05:01:47 PM
I hope that's not the official artwork. I don't like it that much.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: wolfking on March 08, 2012, 05:05:39 PM
I'm pretty sure it will be.  Bring on May 29th, a great birthday present for me.  ;D
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 08, 2012, 05:08:18 PM
I hope that's not the official artwork. I don't like it that much.

I also hope they change it.

The Snakes and arrows artwork came off as a little generic, compared with masterpieces like the art for Moving Pictures and Hemispheres. I just want something with a little umph to it. Something to inspire the imagination.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on March 08, 2012, 11:11:23 PM
I personally love the theme of the cover and thought it was quite well done.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nel on March 08, 2012, 11:12:24 PM
Eh? I could of sworn they showed us the cover eons ago. I like it at any rate.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mosh on March 08, 2012, 11:13:02 PM
They did. I don't think it was ever confirmed to be the album artwork though. Just single artwork.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 09, 2012, 01:09:06 AM
It's definitely not the official artwork, I read it on blabbermouth (which is run by roadrunner I believe). Isn't that cover the single cover for Caravan?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on March 09, 2012, 01:54:55 AM
It's a great cover.  :smiley:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 09, 2012, 05:32:59 AM
That is the cover for the release of the new CD on Amazon folks. So I do believe that's the cover.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on March 09, 2012, 05:36:02 AM
I like the cover a lot; I hope it isn't changed. I'm used to seeing it by now.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on March 13, 2012, 07:25:51 AM
Gadough: That seems to be a big possibility.


So Losing It came on a full library shuffle earlier, I can't believe how awesome of a song it is and how I've pretty much skipped over it for years. I'm thinking I might have to revisit Signals soon.

Losing it is one of my top 5 Rush songs and since Signals was one of the last albums I bought, It took me forever to discovery it. But the day I did was really special.

I listened to Losing It like 6-7 times in the car yesterday.  Countdown 3 times.  the rest of Signals once.  Losing It 6-7 times. 

It's always the Rush songs that you don't appreciate as much at first that come back to become your favorites later on....

For me, that list includes Losing It, Witch Hunt, Anagram, Available Light, Ghost of a Chance, Force Ten, Camera Eye, Countdown, Afterimage, Mission...

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on March 13, 2012, 01:00:22 PM
Here's a fun game: write what set lists would/could have been on tours prior to 1996/1997 had Rush been doing 3-hour "Evening With..." shows all along. 

Check out how sick this set list would have been on the Hemispheres tour:

Set 1
2112
Cinderella Man
Bastille Day
Circumstances
A Farewell to Kings
Something for Nothing
Closer to the Heart
Cygnus X-1

Set 2
Hemispheres
A Passage to Bangkok
By-Tor and the Snow Dog
Drum Solo
The Trees
Xanadu
La Villa Strangiato

Encore
Finding My Way
Anthem
Working Man
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on March 13, 2012, 01:07:36 PM
Here's a fun game: write what set lists would/could have been on tours prior to 1996/1997 had Rush been doing 3-hour "Evening With..." shows all along. 

Check out how sick this set list would have been on the Hemispheres tour:

Set 1
2112
Cinderella Man
Bastille Day
Circumstances
A Farewell to Kings
Something for Nothing
Closer to the Heart
Cygnus X-1

Set 2
Hemispheres
A Passage to Bangkok
By-Tor and the Snow Dog
Drum Solo
The Trees
Xanadu
La Villa Strangiato

Encore
Finding My Way
Anthem
Working Man

Is the encore a medley?  :lol

Sick setlist, although I would close the set with "Working Man" and close the encore with LVS. I mean, by the time Geddy got to "Working Man", I doubt he could do the song justice, especially after 2 hours of epics and other songs.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on March 13, 2012, 01:10:13 PM
This is 1978 Geddy Lee we are talking about here, not 2012. :P  He could do it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on March 13, 2012, 01:20:50 PM
This is 1978 Geddy Lee we are talking about here, not 2012. :P  He could do it.

Well we would never know, they only did shows under 100 minutes so who is to say his voice would have held up or not? :lol

Either way, I think THEY would have done it either way, since they've done BOTH "Working Man" and "La Villa Strangiato" as encore-enders before.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 14, 2012, 04:05:25 PM
OK folks.  Get Excited!!!!!


https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/03/14/3032/First-single-from-Clockwork-Angels-rumored-to-be-released-Friday-March-30th
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on March 14, 2012, 04:16:31 PM
I thought Caravan and BU2B were the advance singles from Clockwork Angels. ???
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 14, 2012, 04:22:02 PM
I thought Caravan and BU2B were the advance singles from Clockwork Angels. ???

Just smart promotion Orbert.  Now we get to hear a third song.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on March 14, 2012, 04:30:40 PM
I hope that the album doesn't get pushed back, but knowing it's done it's just a matter of time at this point.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 14, 2012, 04:32:26 PM
Doesn't it always seem to be pushed off a week or two after you hear the release date?  They love doing that.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on March 14, 2012, 07:21:56 PM
Eh, gimme the whole album or gimme nada!  I hate getting a single too early, as it is easy to get burned out on that one song, and then when the whole album comes out, it becomes too easy to skip over the single that you have already burned yourself out on. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 14, 2012, 07:50:10 PM
Eh, gimme the whole album or gimme nada!  I hate getting a single too early, as it is easy to get burned out on that one song, and then when the whole album comes out, it becomes too easy to skip over the single that you have already burned yourself out on.

I do that all the time. :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on March 15, 2012, 08:01:31 PM
OK folks.  Get Excited!!!!!


https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/03/14/3032/First-single-from-Clockwork-Angels-rumored-to-be-released-Friday-March-30th

I'll be excited when I'm holding it in my hands.

Until then, I'm sure you will agree there is plenty to get excited about.



Actually, I'm a little pensive about being able to afford the possibility of those Radio City tickets.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ultimetalhead on March 15, 2012, 08:22:29 PM
Another single? Isn't two enough? I'd rather just hear the whole album at this point.

Just had a thought. Are the versions of Caravan and BU2B we've heard already going to be the same on the album, or were they re-recorded/remixed?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on March 15, 2012, 08:30:25 PM
I've got my fingers crossed for a remix, or, better yet, a rerecording. The sound on the single version was really, really nasty. I doubt they'll be different versions though.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on March 15, 2012, 08:34:40 PM
I don't know what you naysayers are smoking but I would take even a second's worth of a new song right now goddamn I am excited for this.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on March 15, 2012, 08:38:06 PM
RE: Caravan/BU2B - I'm pretty sure it's been said that the band has decided to re-record the songs so the whole album has the same sound/feel/production, and it makes sense to do so. I remember someone here saying that Alex's solo(s) in one (or both) of the songs was different on the Time Machine tour than the single that was released, so I think as the songs evolved/changed throughout the tour, they "improved" them, so I think we'll get THOSE versions of the tunes rather than the versions we got from the single a couple years ago.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on March 15, 2012, 09:40:38 PM
I'm excited for Rush but its probably my least anticipated album for the year at the moment. I did like the new single so I'm hoping the quality will be just as good if not better. I'm not even sure if I will pick it up on CD though, I might grab the vinyl if it isn't too expensive.... or if they release a 5.1 mix. :drool:

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Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on March 15, 2012, 10:56:32 PM
DROOL STORY BRO
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: wolfking on March 15, 2012, 11:36:44 PM
Was that really necessary?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nekov on March 16, 2012, 04:12:55 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Kotowboy on March 17, 2012, 01:36:32 PM
  :chill
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on March 17, 2012, 04:53:42 PM
  :chill
Cool story bro.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ħ on March 18, 2012, 04:59:21 PM
Listened to Rush (the album) for the first time in a while. Finding My Way was very awesome, but honestly everything else was really bad. :/
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The King in Crimson on March 18, 2012, 05:04:19 PM
Listened to Rush (the album) for the first time in a while. Finding My Way was very awesome, but honestly everything else was really bad. :/
Even Working Man?

Finding My Way is indeed awesome, but I'm not surprised you don't like their debut.  It's very much in the vein of Zeppelin-esque wailing vocals and bluesy guitars.  I enjoy it, but it's not a favorite of mine.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on March 18, 2012, 05:14:51 PM
Listened to Rush (the album) for the first time in a while. Finding My Way was very awesome, but honestly everything else was really bad. :/
Even Working Man?

Finding My Way is indeed awesome, but I'm not surprised you don't like their debut.  It's very much in the vein of Zeppelin-esque wailing vocals and bluesy guitars.  I enjoy it, but it's not a favorite of mine.

This.  I still like the first album quite a bit though.  Just fun rock music with lots of instrumental wizardry that they carried over onto their other albums. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mosh on March 18, 2012, 05:57:05 PM
I thought the first album was really meh. The only reason I could possibly care about it is because it is by Rush. Even Working Man doesn't really do it for me.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on March 18, 2012, 06:21:27 PM
At the end of the day, Finding My Way and Working Man are the only two songs from the debut that I care about whatsoever. Rush has its fair share of less-than-stellar albums; just look at each album as its own beast and you'll be much happier for it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 18, 2012, 06:29:22 PM
I love the first album  :heart
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on March 18, 2012, 06:34:24 PM
As far as self-titled debut albums go, this is one of the better ones! Definitely signs of where they were going, and what they wanted to do, and songs like "Working Man" really showed just how hard they could rock out!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Kotowboy on March 18, 2012, 06:56:27 PM
Listened to a Best Of Rush CD my friend put on in the car and I have to say I didn't enjoy any of it  :-\

Fly By Night sounds like something they threw together last minute when they needed one more song for the album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on March 18, 2012, 06:57:45 PM
Listened to a Best Of Rush CD my friend put on in the car and I have to say I didn't enjoy any of it  :-\

Fly By Night sounds like something they threw together last minute when they needed one more song for the album.
How?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 18, 2012, 08:01:45 PM
Listened to a Best Of Rush CD my friend put on in the car and I have to say I didn't enjoy any of it  :-\

Fly By Night sounds like something they threw together last minute when they needed one more song for the album.


No way.  If you had a live bootleg from a studio when Neil first joined the band you'd know that the chorus and the bridge was flipped so they put some time and effort in molding that song.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on March 18, 2012, 08:04:43 PM
Rush's self-titled is something I enjoy when I listen to it, but I pretty much forget about most of it afterwards. 

The first 4 albums are alright to great, but nothing on the second and most of the third groups of four, with the exception of some outstanding songs. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 18, 2012, 08:37:14 PM
2112 is the only Rush album, that I own so far, that's consistent. Grace Under Pressure is close.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on March 18, 2012, 08:37:22 PM
Listened to a Best Of Rush CD my friend put on in the car and I have to say I didn't enjoy any of it  :-\

Fly By Night sounds like something they threw together last minute when they needed one more song for the album.


No way.  If you had a live bootleg from a studio when Neil first joined the band you'd know that the chorus and the bridge was flipped so they put some time and effort in molding that song.
What? You're kidding. I learn so much from you, Shmeggy.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on March 18, 2012, 11:52:13 PM
My faves from the first album are Finding My Way, What You're Doing, Here Again and Before And After.



As far as Fly By Night goes (And The King can attest).  Anthem, Best I Can, Fly By Night and parts of By-Tor And The Snow Dog (in the middle of Working Man) were played live before Fly By Night was recorded.


Portnoy even honored this "medley" on the Working Man tribute CD and I'm not having a brain fart I think Dream Theater also covered part of it during the Six Degrees Tour.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Kotowboy on March 19, 2012, 07:21:45 AM
Listened to a Best Of Rush CD my friend put on in the car and I have to say I didn't enjoy any of it  :-\

Fly By Night sounds like something they threw together last minute when they needed one more song for the album.


No way.  If you had a live bootleg from a studio when Neil first joined the band you'd know that the chorus and the bridge was flipped so they put some time and effort in molding that song.

It just sounds really forced.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ħ on March 19, 2012, 05:02:29 PM
Fly By Night was miles ahead of the debut. Not the greatest thing ever written but it was enjoyable.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ħ on March 19, 2012, 05:21:45 PM
Caress of Steel is not doing great at all...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mosh on March 19, 2012, 05:26:50 PM
That's a tough one. Necromancer is a grower, I can't get into Fountain at all. Bastille Day and Lakeside Park are great tracks though.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on March 19, 2012, 05:33:51 PM
Just had an idea. Since we have 9 weeks til the release of Clockwork Angels, I thought I could create a thread that discussed two albums per week from now til May 22nd. Anyone up for that? If I get a good amount of responses in the next couple hours, I'll start the thread.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ryzee on March 19, 2012, 05:34:04 PM
Caress of Steel is awesome.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on March 19, 2012, 05:45:06 PM
I'd get in on that sweet action.

EDIT: This is my 1000th post! #mostmeaninglessachievement
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on March 19, 2012, 05:55:11 PM
Just had an idea. Since we have 9 weeks til the release of Clockwork Angels, I thought I could create a thread that discussed two albums per week from now til May 22nd. Anyone up for that? If I get a good amount of responses in the next couple hours, I'll start the thread.

-Marc.

I'm game.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 19, 2012, 05:57:07 PM
Just had an idea. Since we have 9 weeks til the release of Clockwork Angels, I thought I could create a thread that discussed two albums per week from now til May 22nd. Anyone up for that? If I get a good amount of responses in the next couple hours, I'll start the thread.

-Marc.

I'm game.

I second the motion.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on March 19, 2012, 05:58:09 PM
Awesome. Thanks guys. Posted - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=31503.0

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The King in Crimson on March 19, 2012, 07:03:40 PM
Caress of Steel is not doing great at all...
Not surprised, Caress of Steel is, IMO, largely terrible.

Bastille Day and Lakeside Park are pretty great tracks, The Fountain of Lamneth is a grower, but it's not very cohesive and it's easily their worst epic.  The Necromancer and I Think I'm Going Bald are lolololbad.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mosh on March 19, 2012, 07:19:52 PM
I think Necromancer is good. Probably could've done without the spoken word, but it doesn't hurt the song too much.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 19, 2012, 07:26:42 PM
I love Caress of Steel  :heart
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ħ on March 19, 2012, 07:40:54 PM
Two questions.

1) When does Rush lose that hard rock vibe and get more eclectic?
2) When does Geddy get more tolerable?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on March 19, 2012, 07:43:37 PM
It starts going away around Farewell to Kings and is less present with each release after that until Counterparts, which is pretty hard. 

I'd say Signals is where they're no longer 'hard rock' at all. 

And where Geddy starts singing more 'normally'. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on March 19, 2012, 07:46:58 PM
Yeah, A Farewell to Kings is where things get interesting. I think Geddy's vocals become much more mature and tolerable around PW.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ryzee on March 19, 2012, 08:37:46 PM
Two questions.

1) When does Rush lose that hard rock vibe and get more eclectic?
2) When does Geddy get more tolerable?


Dude, Geddy on CoS, especially in The Necromancer, is one of my favorite things ever. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ħ on March 19, 2012, 08:39:37 PM
You have weird opinions.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on March 19, 2012, 08:52:42 PM
You have weird opinions.

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Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ryzee on March 19, 2012, 09:47:45 PM
 :lol

Oh it's no opinion, it's a fact that that's one of my favorite things ever.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ħ on March 19, 2012, 09:48:27 PM
That you chose it as your favorite is what's weird.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ryzee on March 19, 2012, 10:03:05 PM
I didn't "choose" anything.  One does not simply "choose" something like this.  We're talking about The Necromancer here my friend.  The.  Necromancer.  If anything it "chose" me.  Much to learn, you still have.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on March 20, 2012, 03:53:53 AM
Caress of Steel is really good, especially Bastille day and The Fountain of Lamenth.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on March 20, 2012, 09:17:37 AM
"if you choose not to decide...."    ....nevermind
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on March 21, 2012, 06:29:18 AM
THE ALBUM IS SO CLOSE I CAN TASTE IT
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on March 21, 2012, 07:13:27 AM
Man, Vapor trails is a great album that sounds terrible, but I'm kinda starting to dig the sound. I desperately wanted a remastered or remixed version, but I don't anymore.  :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on March 21, 2012, 07:21:30 AM
Man, Vapor trails is a great album that sounds terrible, but I'm kinda starting to dig the sound. I desperately wanted a remastered or remixed version, but I don't anymore.  :metal

It's almost as if the poor mastering was done on PURPOSE.... nah, not really.

There needs to be a remaster, though. BADLY.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 21, 2012, 07:27:04 AM
Did you guys here the 2 remastered songs on the Retrospective III CD?

It was One Little Vicory and Earthshine.  I hiope they do because it was a bit better.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on March 21, 2012, 07:32:43 AM
I didn't like Earthshine as much, quite honestly.  Granted, that is one of the songs on VT that I think sounds just fine, and the remaster took some of the bite away from the song.  One Little Victory isn't a good enough song for me to care about it sounding better. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on March 21, 2012, 07:37:04 AM
I do have that compilation, and I think those versions of Earthshine and One little victory sounded pretty good. But this ugly sound on Vapor trails is growing on me - the moment guitar kicked in in One little victory when I played it a little while, I started wondering why I used to dislike the sound. It has some sort of bite, as Kev said.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on March 21, 2012, 07:40:17 AM
I'd love to hear a slightly-cleaned up Ceiling Unlimited.  I like that song quite a bit, but almost never listen to it because the sound in that particular song is so bad at times. 

On the flip side, there is nothing they can do to fix the verses of something like The Stars Look Down. Those verses are downright ugly (weird melody plus that same annoying vocal effect they used in One Little Victory) and fixing the sound won't change that.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on March 21, 2012, 07:42:24 AM
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Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 21, 2012, 04:02:53 PM
Get your pre orders in for the novel.


https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/03/19/3034/Clockwork-Angels-novelization-by-Kevin-J.-Anderson-and-Neil-Peart-now-available-for-pre-order
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on March 21, 2012, 05:40:52 PM
Get your pre orders in for the novel.


https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/03/19/3034/Clockwork-Angels-novelization-by-Kevin-J.-Anderson-and-Neil-Peart-now-available-for-pre-order

I don't need to pre-order this.  I'll either buy it on tour or see if there will be auotgraphed editions down the line.



As far as Earthshine and One Little Victory on Retrospective III go, I prefer Earthshine, but not One Little Victory.

There are also slightly different mixes of a handful of songs on the Vapor Trails Profiled CD.  Not as much punch though...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ħ on March 22, 2012, 10:43:14 PM
So I'm listening to 2112 now. And it's not bad. It's solid. I could honestly say this stands at the top of anything in the hard rock genre. But I've never liked plain old hard rock, so...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on March 22, 2012, 10:44:51 PM
I'd say there's enough going on in that album to classify it as more than mere hard rock.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The King in Crimson on March 23, 2012, 12:23:36 AM
I'd say there's enough going on in that album to classify it as more than mere hard rock.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on March 23, 2012, 01:41:40 AM
I'm in a Rush period again. Been listening to nothing but Rush this week, and re-watched Beyond The Lighted Stage last night.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 23, 2012, 02:00:32 AM
My best friend and I are were discussing our top 5 favorite Rush songs the other day. It was hard but my top 5 in order are:

La Villa Strangiato
Marathon
The Pass
Red Barchetta
Dreamline
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on March 23, 2012, 02:10:27 AM
Xanadu
Marathon
The Camera Eye
Subdivisions
Limelight
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jjrock88 on March 23, 2012, 02:14:51 AM
Subdivisions
Limelight
Distant Early Warning
Natural Science
La Villa Strangiato
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 23, 2012, 04:34:59 AM
1. Anthem
2. Different Strings
3. Mystic Rhythms
4. La villa Strangiato
5. Losing it

6. subdivisions
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jingle.boy on March 23, 2012, 06:15:32 AM
First two are a no brainer, after that, had to put a little thought into it

Xanadu
Red Barchetta
Marathon
La Villa Strangiato
Witch Hunt (Show of Hands version .. I really dig the electronic drums)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: wolfking on March 23, 2012, 06:22:44 AM
1. Subdivisions
2. The Pass
3. Between the Wheels
4. Ghost of a Chance
5. Natural Science

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on March 23, 2012, 06:51:55 AM
This is impossible.  It's like picking your favorite children out of 100 kids.

20yrs ago it was Limelight
19yrs ago it was Natural Science
18yrs ago it was Red Barchetta
17yrs ago it was La Villa
16yrs ago it was Subdivisions
15yrs ago it was Dreamline
....
8yrs ago it was Afterimage
7yrs ago it was Available Light
6yrs ago it was Witch Hunt
5yrs ago it was Mission
Today it's Losing It


Easier to do my bottom 5 than top 5:

1.  Stick it Out
2.  One Little Victory
3.  Out of the Cradle
4.  We Hold On
5.  Neurotica
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on March 23, 2012, 07:21:23 AM
I guess my top five would be...um....

Limelight
Natural Science
Red Barchetta
YYZ
Marathon
2112
A Farewell to Kings
Leave That Thing Alone
Freewill
Bravado

I guess?  Fuck that was difficult.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ultimetalhead on March 23, 2012, 07:31:07 AM
Very, very difficult choices.

Cygnus X-1
Xanadu
2112
Leave That Thing Alone
Marathon
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on March 23, 2012, 08:25:26 AM
1.  Stick it Out
2.  One Little Victory
I think these are brilliant.  :metal

My top 5:

1. The Camera eye
2. Jacob's ladder
3. 2112
4. Natural science
5. Spirit of the radio
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on March 23, 2012, 12:06:49 PM
2112
Cygnus/Hemispheres
... and then maybe 20 songs that vary based on what mood I'm in.
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Post by: skydivingninja on March 23, 2012, 12:15:53 PM
Can someone explain the hate for "Stick it Out" to me?  I never quite understood why everyone seems to hate that song.  I like it. 
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Post by: Nick on March 23, 2012, 12:42:29 PM
Can someone explain the hate for "Stick it Out" to me?  I never quite understood why everyone seems to hate that song.  I like it. 

It's probably in my bottom 5 as well, if not definitely bottom 10. It's got a grungy edge, which is cool, but it seems forced, and the chorus is just god-awful.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on March 23, 2012, 01:09:36 PM
Bottom 5

1. Dog Years
2. Super Conductor
3. Tai Shan
4. You Bet your Life 
5. Time and Motion
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Post by: Ryzee on March 23, 2012, 01:10:02 PM
I remember hearing Stick it Out on the radio a bunch when Counterparts was first coming out.  I've always dug that tune.
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Post by: KevShmev on March 23, 2012, 01:11:32 PM
Can someone explain the hate for "Stick it Out" to me?  I never quite understood why everyone seems to hate that song.  I like it.

People are goofy.  It is neither great not bad, but just a fun hard rock song.  Plus, it was Rush getting back to doing riff rock.
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Post by: ytserush on March 23, 2012, 03:36:29 PM


Witch Hunt (Show of Hands version .. I really dig the electronic drums)



Ever hear the Grace Under Pressure version? Actually if you dig the electronic drums, you probably want to enjoy the whole concert.....


Re: Stick It Out --

Bottom 10 Rush song. It goes too far into the grunge world for my liking although the song could be taken tongue-in-cheek.

I think I like the instrumental break though. Depends on the day I guess.
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Post by: Ryzee on March 23, 2012, 03:50:40 PM
What is it about Stick it Out that makes it grunge?  Is it just because it's in dropped D?
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Post by: ytserush on March 23, 2012, 04:13:14 PM
What is it about Stick it Out that makes it grunge?  Is it just because it's in dropped D?

That doesn't help timing wise (1993) and the guy that directed the video seemed to have them dress the part. (I realize that, ultimately, these are trappings to not really have a lot to do with the song)

They also dropped the names of Soundgarden, Alice in Chains and Pearl Jam when they were promoting influences for the album.

I wouldn't really call anything else on that album "grunge" at all, just that song.
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Post by: King Postwhore on March 23, 2012, 04:18:30 PM
Plus at the time with grunge, dry vocals(No effects) and drop tuning were in and Rush gave it a go.  I'm not as down as most but since it was the first released song I wore it out.
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Post by: wolfking on March 23, 2012, 04:21:21 PM
I think Stick It Out is an excellent song.
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Post by: Ryzee on March 23, 2012, 04:22:42 PM
What is it about Stick it Out that makes it grunge?  Is it just because it's in dropped D?

That doesn't help timing wise (1993) and the guy that directed the video seemed to have them dress the part. (I realize that, ultimately, these are trappings to not really have a lot to do with the song)

They also dropped the names of Soundgarden, Alice in Chains and Pearl Jam when they were promoting influences for the album.

I wouldn't really call anything else on that album "grunge" at all, just that song.

Plus at the time with grunge, dry vocals(No effects) and drop tuning were in and Rush gave it a go.  I'm not as down as most but since it was the first released song I wore it out.

Right on.  Seems kind of out of character for our boys to try and fit in with what was happening in the mainstream like that but whatever.  I still like that song.  :tup
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Post by: King Postwhore on March 23, 2012, 04:27:16 PM
well in truth, Rush has always tried to play music of the times with their style.

Ska and punk music of the late 80's (Like the Police) = Vital Signs.

Keyboards and Electronic drums in the 80's

That sound we talked about for Counterparts and T4E

No solo's and the levels pushed to the max in the 2000's = Vapor Trails.

So Rush has always been influenced by the times.
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Post by: Ryzee on March 23, 2012, 04:35:18 PM
Yeah you know what I can kind of see that, especially with The Police.  Except the tune that always made me think of The Police was Distant Early Warning.  The intros to that song and Walking on the Moon have a very similar vibe to me.
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Post by: King Postwhore on March 23, 2012, 04:37:53 PM
Yup.  It's Rush but you can tell what they were listening to at the time.
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Post by: ytserush on March 23, 2012, 04:43:17 PM
Yup.  It's Rush but you can tell what they were listening to at the time.

They willingly admit they are musical sponges.

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Post by: Phoenix87x on March 23, 2012, 05:10:12 PM
I loved it when they had the Police Influence.
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Post by: wolfking on March 23, 2012, 05:12:41 PM
I loved it when they had the Police Influence.

Same, one of the reasons I dig GUP so much.
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Post by: Orbert on March 23, 2012, 05:17:13 PM
Alex's guitar always sounded a lot like Andy Summers to me during that time.  I'm glad I'm not the only one who heard it.
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Post by: wolfking on March 23, 2012, 05:19:25 PM
To me it's always been clear when listening to GUP what they were going for.

NP: Distance Early Warning.  Definite Walking on the Moon vibe in the intro as Ryzee said.
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Post by: Ryzee on March 23, 2012, 05:23:05 PM
I...I said something on DTF and people are acknowledging and agreeing with it!!!  I have arrived!!
 :omg:  :blush :D :coolio :smiley:
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Post by: Gadough on March 23, 2012, 05:23:13 PM
Am I the only one who's antsy for the tracklist? Any idea of when we can expect it?
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Post by: wolfking on March 23, 2012, 05:31:23 PM
I...I said something on DTF and people are acknowledging and agreeing with it!!!  I have arrived!!
 :omg:  :blush :D :coolio :smiley:

 :lol wut?  Glad I made your day.  In fact, never really got that reference before from DEW, but I soon as I listened to it, bang...Walking on the Moon.
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Post by: Mosh on March 23, 2012, 10:52:09 PM
Alex's guitar always sounded a lot like Andy Summers to me during that time.  I'm glad I'm not the only one who heard it.
I definitely hear that too.
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Post by: dbrooks22 on March 24, 2012, 07:29:13 AM
I'm pretty sure the reggae section of Spirit of Radio was also influenced by the Police.

It's true that Rush has always been influenced by the music of the times, and what they were listening to and being influenced by.  So i guess it's not fair in that vein to say they were trying too hard to sound grungy on Stick it Out.  To me, it's not the sound that bothers me, but the song itself.  By Rush standards, it's awful.  With so many great tracks on C-parts that never get played, it really irks me that they pull this one out for tours, like it's some kind of masterpiece. 
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Post by: KevShmev on March 24, 2012, 08:57:47 AM
They don't continue to pull Stick It Out out.  It hadn't been played since the 90s until the last tour.  And I'll bet it won't get played on the next tour.  So, take a chill pill. :biggrin:
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Post by: skydivingninja on March 24, 2012, 09:15:10 AM
I would like to see different songs from Counterparts though (I did love seeing Leave That Thing Alone though). 

So I guess the biggest reason is that its too grungy for a lot of people?  Okay.  @Nick: I really like the chorus.  I mean the lyrics aren't spectacular, but the riff underneath is. 
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Post by: dbrooks22 on March 24, 2012, 10:00:54 AM
They don't continue to pull Stick It Out out.  It hadn't been played since the 90s until the last tour.  And I'll bet it won't get played on the next tour.  So, take a chill pill. :biggrin:

Noted and corrected.  All the tours blend together in my tiny brain.
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Post by: KevShmev on March 24, 2012, 10:07:35 AM
Hehe, it's all good.

I will say that it is a shame that Cold Fire hasn't been played since the CP tour, and that Nobody's Hero hasn't been played since the Test for Echo tour.  One or both of those songs need to come back.  And they need to finally play both Cut to the Chase and Everyday Glory.  Screw it, just play all of Counterparts. :hat
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Post by: Mladen on March 24, 2012, 10:20:48 AM
I'd love to see Between sun and moon.  :metal
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Post by: King Postwhore on March 24, 2012, 10:28:50 AM
I'd love to see Between sun and moon.  :metal

Saw that opening night on the Vapor Trails tour in Hartford.  It's the bonus cut on the Rush In Rio live album.
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Post by: Mosh on March 24, 2012, 10:43:41 AM
Screw it, just play all of Counterparts. :hat
Yea!  :metal
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Post by: Phoenix87x on March 24, 2012, 12:56:59 PM
More Counterparts Please.
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Post by: contest_sanity on March 25, 2012, 12:49:20 AM
Funny to me that 2 years ago when I joined this board I mentioned something about Counterparts and a grunge/alternative influence and was laughed out of the building; now we've got a fair number agreeing that "Stick It Out" is faulted for being "too grunge." 

I for one can hear those influences on Counterparts and T4E in various places.  I love "Stick It Out."  So heavy, so power!  Cool story, bros: my uncle is the kind of Rush purist who will never admit that any of their songs are the least bit imperfect.  He claims to love all their albums equally.  He gave me shit b/c I wrote an Amazon review declaring Counterparts my favorite Rush record.  Finally, after like 3 hours of arguing, he admitted "Stick It Out" was a lesser favorite because of the grunge/alternative element.

Besides the name-dropping Ytse alluded to, Alex and Geddy also betray their affinity for certain alt rock/grunge musicians in their solo albums.  Les Claypool played on a Victor track and Edwin from I Mother Earth was the album's lead vocalist.  Geddy had Matt Cameron (Soundgarden, Pearl Jam) play drums on MFH.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like some fans feel it is blasphemous to admit Rush was influenced by alternative/grunge music.  Yet it's fine to admit their musical influences in other periods.  Oh well, whatevs... 
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Post by: KevShmev on March 25, 2012, 08:06:50 AM
Even though I didn't care for grunge, I have no problem admitting that the band liked it at the time, and was even influenced at times by it, but Stick It Out just doesn't sound like grunge.  The first time I heard that song and that riff, I thought, "Wow, they are harkening back to the heaviness of the early days." That riff is more Working Man than grunge or alt rock.
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Post by: jingle.boy on March 25, 2012, 08:15:17 AM
I'd love to see Between sun and moon.  :metal

Saw that opening night on the Vapor Trails tour in Hartford.  It's the bonus cut on the Rush In Rio live album.

I think I have that bootleg video. Doesn't Geddy say 'there are no mistakes, just new parts' because of their long layoff.
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Post by: King Postwhore on March 25, 2012, 08:24:54 AM
Yes he does.  I've got to say it was an emotional show for us Rush nuts.  Got to tailgate all day cranking Rush tunes and then the first break they had with the applause... I had goosebumps.
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Post by: SystematicThought on March 25, 2012, 11:53:45 PM
My friend flew in to Minnesota from Toronto after his trip in Norway. I just couldn't resist asking him for his luggage tag being the Rush fan that I am. So I put it in my Moving Pictures CD case

(https://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu117/Oblivionfan10/1b85a8c5.jpg)
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Post by: Mosh on March 25, 2012, 11:56:08 PM
That's so awesome!  :metal
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Post by: Nekov on March 26, 2012, 04:19:27 AM
My friend flew in to Minnesota from Toronto after his trip in Norway. I just couldn't resist asking him for his luggage tag being the Rush fan that I am. So I put it in my Moving Pictures CD case

*snip

:clap:

Bravo. I would have done the exact same thing.
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Post by: Zydar on March 26, 2012, 04:38:14 AM
Nice :tup
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Post by: Nekov on March 26, 2012, 08:40:59 AM
I was going through a presentation from my company today and I saw this

Quote
Time and again, situations arise where you must make a choice. And such choices cannot be avoided. After all, even if we choose not to decide we still have made a choice.

I smiled
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Post by: jingle.boy on March 26, 2012, 09:25:50 AM
Living in Toronto, and spending lots of time on a plane, anyone who wants one, let me know.  I regularly fly to San Antonio, Denver, Phoenix, Vegas for work.
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Post by: Nekov on March 26, 2012, 09:57:20 AM
Living in Toronto, and spending lots of time on a plane, anyone who wants one, let me know.  I regularly fly to San Antonio, Denver, Phoenix, Vegas for work.

Yeah right
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Post by: Ryzee on March 26, 2012, 09:58:18 AM
Even though I didn't care for grunge, I have no problem admitting that the band liked it at the time, and was even influenced at times by it, but Stick It Out just doesn't sound like grunge.  The first time I heard that song and that riff, I thought, "Wow, they are harkening back to the heaviness of the early days." That riff is more Working Man than grunge or alt rock.

Yeah I agree with this (although I did/do love grunge).   That's why I asked what exactly made Stick It Out grunge.  To me it's just an up-tempo rock tune with a heavy dropped D riff.  I usually think of grunge as being much slower than that.  And the way ytserush and king explained it I thought they were implying that the guys were kind of giving in to pressure from their label or something to sound like what was hip at the time, which seemed out of character to me.  The fact that they actually, you know, listened to and dug grunge/alternative makes a lot more sense  :lol
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Post by: jingle.boy on March 26, 2012, 10:07:58 AM
Living in Toronto, and spending lots of time on a plane, anyone who wants one, let me know.  I regularly fly to San Antonio, Denver, Phoenix, Vegas for work.

Yeah right

There are still a ton of conferences in Vegas.  Honestly, I've never been there purely for pleasure.  It's always a conference of some sort.
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Post by: King Postwhore on March 26, 2012, 10:32:56 AM
Even though I didn't care for grunge, I have no problem admitting that the band liked it at the time, and was even influenced at times by it, but Stick It Out just doesn't sound like grunge.  The first time I heard that song and that riff, I thought, "Wow, they are harkening back to the heaviness of the early days." That riff is more Working Man than grunge or alt rock.

Yeah I agree with this (although I did/do love grunge).   That's why I asked what exactly made Stick It Out grunge.  To me it's just an up-tempo rock tune with a heavy dropped D riff.  I usually think of grunge as being much slower than that.  And the way ytserush and king explained it I thought they were implying that the guys were kind of giving in to pressure from their label or something to sound like what was hip at the time, which seemed out of character to me.  The fact that they actually, you know, listened to and dug grunge/alternative makes a lot more sense  :lol

Not giving into pressure.  Just influenced by the times.
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Post by: Orbert on March 26, 2012, 11:25:24 AM
Living in Toronto, and spending lots of time on a plane, anyone who wants one, let me know.  I regularly fly to San Antonio, Denver, Phoenix, Vegas for work.

Wow, it took me a second to even figure out what you were talking about.  I worked for the airlines for ten years, and when I see "YYZ" it automatically gets translated in my head into "Toronto".  I thought "Ha ha, cool, 'cause Rush is from Toronto" -- completely missing the fact that "YYZ" is the name of a track from that album and is what most people think of first.
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Post by: King Postwhore on March 28, 2012, 05:28:34 PM
OHHHHH!!! First song title besides the 2 we know. :metal  7 minutes long!!!

https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/03/28/3044/Clockwork-Angels-update-listening-party-first-song-title-revealed
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Post by: Phoenix87x on March 28, 2012, 05:40:43 PM
April 19th can not come fast enough!!!!!
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Post by: jingle.boy on March 28, 2012, 05:41:26 PM
Schwing!!!
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Post by: dbrooks22 on March 28, 2012, 06:07:36 PM
From RIAB:

"Sorry I have been unable to post on here as I have been busy with work. Listening party happened a bit later than scheduled yesterday as it was more after 1 pm. I wasn't there but my friend was and he said if you would have wanted Rush albums in the 80s to have a harder edge then this is your record. The songs are like a winding journey and definitely has a more modern day concept feel to them. Keyboards are present on the record so if you loathe them, sorry! He didn't compare it to any particular album and that was a relief. He said just take 80 to 91 in a blender and that was it. Single should be out on or about April 1st. It is being sent to radio this weekend. My guess is this one doesn't leak. More as I hear more. It was basically a text conversation about it and I haven't had really the time to get in touch with him as he has other assignments."

Licking my chops, as 80 to 91 is my favorite Rush era.
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Post by: The Letter M on March 28, 2012, 06:20:46 PM
"Headlong Flight" sounds pretty interesting! And clocking in at 7:30 long is amazing! It'll be their first track over 7 minutes in length since "The Camera Eye"! :metal

The next 8 weeks are gonna be excruciatingly long!!!

-Marc.
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Post by: The King in Crimson on March 28, 2012, 06:44:03 PM
Guh...  :eek

Must.  Not.  Mentally.  Overhype.  Album.
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Post by: skydivingninja on March 28, 2012, 06:52:35 PM
Its amazing how much the littlest information sends me into a fanboy frenzy for this album.
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Post by: Nel on March 28, 2012, 06:59:55 PM
80s Rush is the era I was introduced to first, and the era I love most. So this makes me very intrigued.
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Post by: The Letter M on March 28, 2012, 07:12:01 PM
80s Rush is the era I was introduced to first, and the era I love most. So this makes me very intrigued.

Indeed, and it seems Nick Raskulinecz' insistence that the band channel their old roots has come to fruition if listeners are getting that vibe!

-Marc.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 28, 2012, 07:14:12 PM
"Headlong Flight" sounds pretty interesting! And clocking in at 7:30 long is amazing! It'll be their first track over 7 minutes in length since "The Camera Eye"! :metal

Wow, I totally hadn't noticed that......that is a long time......
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Post by: skydivingninja on March 28, 2012, 07:59:02 PM
In non-Clockwork Angels-related discussion, does anyone else share my opinion that Different Stages is the best Rush live album? 
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Post by: King Postwhore on March 28, 2012, 08:01:43 PM
During that tour Sky, I felt Rush was getting back to what made them Rush and the tour was that good so I do feel that DS is the best live CD in my book.

I also agree that the littlest morsel sends me over the edge.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on March 28, 2012, 08:02:53 PM
In non-Clockwork Angels-related discussion, does anyone else share my opinion that Different Stages is the best Rush live album?

Yes, I absolutely love it and that 3rd disc rocks hard as hell.

    Rush in Rio is very close though.
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Post by: skydivingninja on March 28, 2012, 08:04:37 PM
Rush in Rio wins for crowd energy for sure, but I like Different Stages' setlist better. 
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Post by: KevShmev on March 28, 2012, 11:31:06 PM
If I had a nickel for every time I heard, "This Rush song or album is gonna song like this old Rush song or album," I'd be rolling in cash right now.  In other words, don't buy it.  Unless they are gonna somehow channel the headspace they were in 25-30 years ago, expecting this to sound like their 80s stuff, but with heavier guitars, is unrealistic.

But I am still excited as hell for this. :metal
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Post by: jjrock88 on March 28, 2012, 11:58:29 PM
If I had a nickel for every time I heard, "This Rush song or album is gonna song like this old Rush song or album," I'd be rolling in cash right now.  In other words, don't buy it.  Unless they are gonna somehow channel the headspace they were in 25-30 years ago, expecting this to sound like their 80s stuff, but with heavier guitars, is unrealistic.

But I am still excited as hell for this. :metal

Do you think the new album will be simular to Snakes and Arrows in regards to song tempo and structure?
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Post by: Mladen on March 29, 2012, 05:34:52 AM
Hopefully it will be better. Caravan and BU2B are light years ahead of every song on Snakes and arrows except for Far cry.
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Post by: Nekov on March 29, 2012, 07:27:59 AM
From RIAB:

"Sorry I have been unable to post on here as I have been busy with work. Listening party happened a bit later than scheduled yesterday as it was more after 1 pm. I wasn't there but my friend was and he said if you would have wanted Rush albums in the 80s to have a harder edge then this is your record. The songs are like a winding journey and definitely has a more modern day concept feel to them. Keyboards are present on the record so if you loathe them, sorry! He didn't compare it to any particular album and that was a relief. He said just take 80 to 91 in a blender and that was it. Single should be out on or about April 1st. It is being sent to radio this weekend. My guess is this one doesn't leak. More as I hear more. It was basically a text conversation about it and I haven't had really the time to get in touch with him as he has other assignments."

Licking my chops, as 80 to 91 is my favorite Rush era.

YES!!! I love the keyboards in Rush. This is gonna be a fantastic album.
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Post by: dbrooks22 on March 29, 2012, 09:30:31 AM
In non-Clockwork Angels-related discussion, does anyone else share my opinion that Different Stages is the best Rush live album?


I love the DS setlist, but have a very hard time with the mix. 

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Post by: KevShmev on March 29, 2012, 09:35:10 AM
If I had a nickel for every time I heard, "This Rush song or album is gonna song like this old Rush song or album," I'd be rolling in cash right now.  In other words, don't buy it.  Unless they are gonna somehow channel the headspace they were in 25-30 years ago, expecting this to sound like their 80s stuff, but with heavier guitars, is unrealistic.

But I am still excited as hell for this. :metal

Do you think the new album will be simular to Snakes and Arrows in regards to song tempo and structure?

No idea.  It is impossible to know this, except to compare Caravan and BU2B to the S&A songs.  From the sound of things, they will be stretching out more on the new album, while most of S&A was pretty straight-forward and featured mid-tempo songs, so we shall see. 
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Post by: Ryzee on March 29, 2012, 09:35:20 AM
In non-Clockwork Angels-related discussion, does anyone else share my opinion that Different Stages is the best Rush live album?

I prefer Exit...Stage Left when I'm in a 70's Rush mood and A Show Of Hands when I'm feeling the 80's synth vibe.
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Post by: Nick on March 29, 2012, 09:37:07 AM
As far as CD sets go, Different Stages is pretty awesome, and I'd put it in the upper half for sure, largely because the 3rd disc is godly.
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Post by: KevShmev on March 29, 2012, 09:39:08 AM
All of the live albums from the last 20 years have the advantage of being really long, but it is hard to beat the energy, power and rawness of the first two live albums, All the World's a Stage and Exit...Stage Left. :metal
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Post by: Nick on March 29, 2012, 09:41:39 AM
Exit... Stage Left has energy? I'm sorry, but it's gotta be one of the driest live albums I've ever heard. The sound on it isn't poor quality wise, but it just comes across as soooo dry.
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Post by: Priest of Syrinx on March 29, 2012, 09:43:46 AM
Exit... Stage Left has energy? I'm sorry, but it's gotta be one of the driest live albums I've ever heard. The sound on it isn't poor quality wise, but it just comes across as soooo dry.

This, absolutely.  I love it, but not because of "energy".
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Post by: The Letter M on March 29, 2012, 09:45:37 AM
Exit... Stage Left has energy? I'm sorry, but it's gotta be one of the driest live albums I've ever heard. The sound on it isn't poor quality wise, but it just comes across as soooo dry.

I agree - the fade-outs between tracks don't help the "live" feel of the album. It's more of a collection of live tracks tossed together, so it doesn't have consistent "live" energy across the whole album. I would prefer Different Stages over ESL just for that fact.

-Marc.
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Post by: Ryzee on March 29, 2012, 09:45:57 AM
Yeah it's one of those live records where the crowd is barely audible.  Whether that's a good thing or bad thing is up to the listener.  I just love the setlist and performances on it.  Jacob's Ladder and La Villa especially.  Oh yeah and Xanadu.  And Beneath, Between & Behind.  Ok I love the whole thing.
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Post by: KevShmev on March 29, 2012, 09:50:41 AM
I am talking about the energy of the band; their performances.  Little things like the flow and sound quality (which are more important on studio albums) cannot eliminate how much energy that live record has.  I mean, are we gonna knock Rush in Rio because Geddy's vocals are barely audible on the first few songs?  Of course not. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on March 29, 2012, 09:53:57 AM
In non-Clockwork Angels-related discussion, does anyone else share my opinion that Different Stages is the best Rush live album?

definately if we include the bonus disc from the 70s.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on March 29, 2012, 10:14:46 AM
It's interesting that they mentioned the album having an '80-91' vibe. If anything, Caravan and BU2B make me think of Counterparts.

Honestly, I'm going to go entirely off of what we actually hear from the new album rather than references to the past. Based on Caravan and BU2B, I have very high hopes for this album. I can't wait to hear Headlong Flight.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on March 29, 2012, 10:15:49 AM
I am talking about the energy of the band; their performances.  Little things like the flow and sound quality (which are more important on studio albums) cannot eliminate how much energy that live record has.  I mean, are we gonna knock Rush in Rio because Geddy's vocals are barely audible on the first few songs?  Of course not. 

To me there is very little energy from the band/performance due to the stale sound.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on March 29, 2012, 12:44:37 PM
Different Stages loses points from me because of the lower-key shortened version of "2112".  I've never liked the shortened version, and lowering it a key robs it of some of its energy.  I know that not everyone can hear the difference, and many don't care, but I can and I do and it bugs me.  It just sounds wrong to me.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on March 29, 2012, 12:46:09 PM
Different Stages loses points from me because of the lower-key shortened version of "2112".  I've never liked the shortened version, and lowering it a key robs it of some of its energy.  I know that not everyone can hear the difference, and many don't care, but I can and I do and it bugs me.  It just sounds wrong to me.

How exactly is "2112" shortened on Different Stages? I was pretty sure they touted that tour as having the first-ever complete performance of "2112"?

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on March 29, 2012, 01:29:10 PM
I think they had to lower the key to enable Geddy to sing it.  I don't think his voice would hold up and/or sound good when singing it in its original key.  This ain't 1976 anymore.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on March 29, 2012, 01:36:33 PM
I think they had to lower the key to enable Geddy to sing it.  I don't think his voice would hold up and/or sound good when singing it in its original key.  This ain't 1976 anymore.

I've known that, wasn't it something like 3 half-steps down from the original key?

I just didn't understand what Orbert meant by "shortened", when pretty much every prior performance of "2112" had a section or two missing from the suite, that is, until the TFE Tour.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on March 29, 2012, 01:45:17 PM
You're both right, and I wasn't remembering it properly.  I do remember being disappointed by the key being lowered, and for that reason, I don't even listen to it.  I thought it was the shortened version.  Maybe my disappointment was more that it was finally the original version but in the wrong key, thus we never did get a definitive live recording.

I know Geddy can't sing like that anymore, but curse my pitch sensitivity; I can hear the difference and it just sounds wrong.  It's as noticeable and annoying as playing it on instruments that haven't been tuned.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on March 29, 2012, 02:23:22 PM
You're both right, and I wasn't remembering it properly.  I do remember being disappointed by the key being lowered, and for that reason, I don't even listen to it.  I thought it was the shortened version.  Maybe my disappointment was more that it was finally the original version but in the wrong key, thus we never did get a definitive live recording.

I know Geddy can't sing like that anymore, but curse my pitch sensitivity; I can hear the difference and it just sounds wrong.  It's as noticeable and annoying as playing it on instruments that haven't been tuned.

Do you listen to Transatlantic? And if so, did hearing "The Whirlwind" a whole-step lower affect you when hearing it on the Whirld Tour live album? I know Neal Morse has done a LOT of stuff in a lower key lately (just listen to his SB songs on the live album So Many Roads, then compare them to the same songs played by SBv2 on their Spock's Beard Live album, where they take it UP a key or two!).

It's a shame so many vocalists cannot reach their range they had in the past, or in the studio, that they have to down-tune these days, but if it means having those songs performed live, then by all means do it! I could care less, and it shows a lot of extra effort on the part of the musicians, to have to basically re-learn a song just so they can play it live. They could just play songs that their vocalist is only comfortable with singing on stage, and we'd get some limited or only-all-recent material shows.

So, in this instance, I say  :tup to any band/performer who chooses to play a song in a lower key just so they can play that song! For if that didn't happen, Rush may not have played "2112" live in it's entirety back on the TFE tour, and we'd have been stuck with "Dog Years" and "Virtuality" on Different Stages! :lol

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 29, 2012, 02:24:39 PM
While on the subject of live albums, I just want to say that I Love A show of Hands, and it single highhandedly made me love the 80's era.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on March 29, 2012, 03:38:18 PM
I have all the Transatlantic studio releases, but none of the live ones, so I can't comment on that.  I suspect that it wouldn't bother me quite so much, as I'm not as intimately familiar with Transatlantic as I am with Rush.  Sure, I've listened to them, a lot actually, but they're not ingrained in my brain the way Rush, especially "2112" is.  I once sat in on "2112" when the bass player had to leave and the girls wanted to hear "2112", so I played the bass part on keyboards.  I'd never played it before, but I could play it anyway because I've heard it literally hundreds of times.  When it's that ingrained, it just sounds wrong in another key.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on March 29, 2012, 11:11:28 PM
Ya know, now that I think about it, that might be the main reason why I can count on one hand the number of times I have listened to the Different Stages live version of 2112.  The fact that it just sounds a bit different and just not quite as awesome as the original.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on March 30, 2012, 04:19:23 AM
I enjoy the short down-tuned version of 2112 on Rush in Rio.  :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Scrub206 on March 30, 2012, 09:49:23 AM
has anyone heard anything about preordering yet?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on March 30, 2012, 06:10:03 PM
I'm pretty sure you can pre-order this already if you want.

I'm waiting so I can get it early myself.


I love every live album for a different reason. That's what so great about them. From the rawness  energy of All The World's A Stage to the mature insanity of Time Machine.


As far as the new album is concerned, I'm letting you guys get excited for me until I've got a copy in my hands.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on March 30, 2012, 07:05:40 PM
As far as pre-orders go, anyone else think Roadrunner might do some sort of super-duper-deluxe-mega-ultra-special-limited-edition box-set-package with (any and/or all of the following) - double LP (possibly gate-fold), bonus Making-Of DVD (or Blu-Ray), 5.1 Mix on DVD or Blu-Ray, Poster or Lithograph, some replica piece of Rush tour paraphernalia, and possibly a Clockwork Angels Tour Ticket.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on March 31, 2012, 07:37:39 AM
A few more people  talking about the new single but the full version of it from Rushisaband.com


    In studio right now w Mark from Roadrunner listening to new tune from @RushIsABand called "Headlong Flight." It's awesome. #ByTorIsASnowDog
    Lou Brutus - Sirius XM

    Just heard new Rush song "Headlong Flight" ..... Holy Fucking Shit!!!!! 7 and a half minutes of pure genius!!!!!! @rushisaband

    I haven't had goosebumps like this in years. This is Rush at their finest. Seriously. Fuck this is amazing. @rushisaband

    New Rush song sounds like updated "By-Tor." Epic, cool guitar break downs. "I stoke the fires of the big steel wheels...
    Dominic Nardella - Sirius XM

    Just listened to the new Rush song "Headlong Flight". My pants are tight!..and moist from losing control of my bladder during the massive Alex Lifeson solo. @rushtheband
    Mike Hsu - WAAF in Boston

    @rushtheband New RUSH single from upcoming CD called "Headlong Flight"...Old school RUSH fans rejoice! It ROCKS 74-77 era! Just awesome!!
    Grover Collins - WUBE/WYGY in Cincinnati
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on March 31, 2012, 07:42:50 AM
A few more people  talking about the new single but the full version of it from Rushisaband.com


    In studio right now w Mark from Roadrunner listening to new tune from @RushIsABand called "Headlong Flight." It's awesome. #ByTorIsASnowDog
    Lou Brutus - Sirius XM

    Just heard new Rush song "Headlong Flight" ..... Holy Fucking Shit!!!!! 7 and a half minutes of pure genius!!!!!! @rushisaband

    I haven't had goosebumps like this in years. This is Rush at their finest. Seriously. Fuck this is amazing. @rushisaband

    New Rush song sounds like updated "By-Tor." Epic, cool guitar break downs. "I stoke the fires of the big steel wheels...
    Dominic Nardella - Sirius XM

    Just listened to the new Rush song "Headlong Flight". My pants are tight!..and moist from losing control of my bladder during the massive Alex Lifeson solo. @rushtheband
    Mike Hsu - WAAF in Boston

    @rushtheband New RUSH single from upcoming CD called "Headlong Flight"...Old school RUSH fans rejoice! It ROCKS 74-77 era! Just awesome!!
    Grover Collins - WUBE/WYGY in Cincinnati

So it seems "Headlong Flight" channels early Rush while the album, as a whole, is more along the 80-91 era. Interesting. I guess Booujze is doing a good job!

Also, as far as we've heard, the title track "Clockwork Angels" is a "multi-parted piece" that is epic. So it seems we may have more than one track longer than the 6-7 mark!

Even if we don't get track times and titles, I'd like to know how long the whole album is and how many songs are on it. If we get a 70 minute album with 8-11 tracks, I'll go nuts! That'd be perfect, and I think just about right for this album.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ReaperKK on March 31, 2012, 07:50:40 AM
Damn I can't wait to hear this album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jjrock88 on March 31, 2012, 09:36:25 PM
I have a good feeling about this album
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on April 01, 2012, 04:35:46 AM
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet.

ANTHRAX Recording Cover Of RUSH's 'Anthem' For Tribute Album (Video) - Mar. 31, 2012

https://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=172058
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on April 02, 2012, 08:15:36 PM
I guess this is one good place for this....


I guess you'd could consider this something of a Moving Pictures Immersion Set (and I'm selling/trading):

Rush --  Moving Pictures Deluxe Editon CD with 5.1 and videos for Tom Sawyer, Limelight, and Vital Signs in 5.1

Rush -- Moving Pictures US vinyl

Rush -- Moving Pictures program

Rush -- Tom Sawyer/Witch Hunt  US 45

Rush -- Limelight/YYZ  US 45


Free Bonuses:

Free- Moving Pictures Tour Full Concert

Free- Moving Pictures Retrospective Interview

Free ???????

$65 for everything
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 03, 2012, 11:18:41 AM
Very interesting...

https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/04/03/3049/Possible-cover-artwork-for-Rushs-Clockwork-Angels-album-tourbook-revealed
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 03, 2012, 11:34:42 AM
Playing all of Signals would surprise me, since half of the songs are ones the casual fan might go, "What song is this?"  Plus, it would force Neil to play the dreaded Countdown, which he dislikes a lot.  But time will tell. I think all of 2112 the song or all of Permanent Waves are much more likely choices.  2112 would make sense to play all of in 2012.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on April 03, 2012, 11:38:28 AM
Yeah, Signals seems to me to be an unlikely choice for a 2012 gimmick; Permanent Waves would appease far more casual fans. All of 2112 seems even less likely to me, however, as they already exploited the full playthrough of the song for the Test for Echo Tour.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 03, 2012, 11:38:48 AM
Not to mention the song got a huge popularity bump thanks to guitar hero. But I disagree about Countdown since the entire band kinda disliked playing The Camera Eye, but found a way to make that work. Honestly, if the album does have a story and it's even close to as good as the first two tracks would indicate then I just hope they play the new album front to back.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on April 03, 2012, 11:41:51 AM
I think we can effectively rule out the album's having a story. Caravan and BU2B are the first two parts in a multi-part suite, but I think it's been confirmed that the Clockwork Angels story does not take up the entire album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 03, 2012, 11:49:30 AM
I am just hoping to see the return of Lerxst the awesome soloist for a whole album again.  For most of Rush's career, every album was loaded with great guitar solo after solo, but not on the last two albums (VT hardly had any solos, and most of S&A's solos are nice, but nothing that is totally awesome), so I am hoping, with them appearing to stretch out a little bit again, he is afforded the time and the space to rip off a bunch of great solos again.  The solos in Caravan and PT's Anesthetize showed that he can still come up with great solos, so it is not like he forgot how.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 03, 2012, 11:50:47 AM
I think we can effectively rule out the album's having a story. Caravan and BU2B are the first two parts in a multi-part suite, but I think it's been confirmed that the Clockwork Angels story does not take up the entire album.

What? I'm pretty sure they've all but said it's a concept album which happens to contain a multi-part song or whatever.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 03, 2012, 11:53:11 AM
I don't think they've ever said it will be a concept album.  My guess is it might be a thematic album (like Roll the Bones, Power Windows, etc.), but not a full-blown concept album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on April 03, 2012, 11:56:43 AM
rushisaband isn't loading for me, so I can't check the article I'm thinking of to find if my understanding was correct. I'll check later, but I don't think it's ever been said that the entire album had a singular narrative.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 03, 2012, 12:31:19 PM
I think we can effectively rule out the album's having a story. Caravan and BU2B are the first two parts in a multi-part suite, but I think it's been confirmed that the Clockwork Angels story does not take up the entire album.

What? I'm pretty sure they've all but said it's a concept album which happens to contain a multi-part song or whatever.

Nick, it is a 5 song suite like 2112.  I'll link it from rushisaband.com when I get home.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on April 03, 2012, 12:47:27 PM
Found it (it's the same link you threw at me 6 or 7 pages ago, your highness). https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2011/12/13/2937/Alex-Lifeson-talks-Clockwork-Angels-in-new-Guitar-World-interview

"... Alex Lifeson stops short of calling Rush's upcoming Clockwork Angels a concept record, but he does admit that a theme runs through most the songs. "We have Caravan and BU2B; both of which we released already and played on the Time Machine tour," he says, referring to the group's extensive 2010-2011 outing. "Those two, along with three other songs, form a suite. The story of Clockwork Angels is in those five tracks.""
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on April 03, 2012, 01:32:17 PM
Different Stages loses points from me because of the lower-key shortened version of "2112".  I've never liked the shortened version, and lowering it a key robs it of some of its energy.  I know that not everyone can hear the difference, and many don't care, but I can and I do and it bugs me.  It just sounds wrong to me.

I'm with you on that Orbert. I have a hard time listening to recent live releases from the band because of the lowered keys and the slowed down tempos. It makes some of the songs move like turtles, and doesn't make them feel "heavier" to me, which is what the band claims they were aiming for. However I don't have a problem with it at concerts as much, I notice it but I'm more wrapped up in the energy and stage presence of the band. But I just can't do the live albums now.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 03, 2012, 02:19:29 PM
Found it (it's the same link you threw at me 6 or 7 pages ago, your highness). https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2011/12/13/2937/Alex-Lifeson-talks-Clockwork-Angels-in-new-Guitar-World-interview

"... Alex Lifeson stops short of calling Rush's upcoming Clockwork Angels a concept record, but he does admit that a theme runs through most the songs. "We have Caravan and BU2B; both of which we released already and played on the Time Machine tour," he says, referring to the group's extensive 2010-2011 outing. "Those two, along with three other songs, form a suite. The story of Clockwork Angels is in those five tracks.""

Damn, I must have missed that, kinda sucks. With the book being written you'd have thought the whole thing would have been a story.

It also means, all said and done, that Rush is going to be the lone classic prog band to have never explored a full concept album. (Assuming they don't do it in the future)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on April 03, 2012, 02:52:17 PM
I don't know if it's really that important that they do a full concept album, but it is disappointing because we kinda thought it would be, but we now know that it won't.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 03, 2012, 04:49:56 PM
I know it's not uber important, but if they never do one it will just leave a lot of fans wondering what if...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 03, 2012, 04:54:11 PM
Found it (it's the same link you threw at me 6 or 7 pages ago, your highness). https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2011/12/13/2937/Alex-Lifeson-talks-Clockwork-Angels-in-new-Guitar-World-interview

"... Alex Lifeson stops short of calling Rush's upcoming Clockwork Angels a concept record, but he does admit that a theme runs through most the songs. "We have Caravan and BU2B; both of which we released already and played on the Time Machine tour," he says, referring to the group's extensive 2010-2011 outing. "Those two, along with three other songs, form a suite. The story of Clockwork Angels is in those five tracks.""
Looks like you have a good memory since I can't remember what I said this morning. :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on April 03, 2012, 05:19:07 PM
I know it's not uber important, but if they never do one it will just leave a lot of fans wondering what if...

It would've been very cool.  But I get the feeling that they just don't "feel the prog" these days as they did in the old days.  Things like Hemispheres and 2112 show that they weren't afraid of long-form tunes.  But it's one hell of an undertaking to make a full concept album.  I shouldn't presume to speak for them, but if you asked Neil if they're ever gonna do one, he'd probably just say "Why?"
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 03, 2012, 05:29:33 PM
Rush isn't the only classic prog band to never do a concept album; off the top of my head, ELP never did one either.

But it doesn't bother me that Rush never did one.  They were never a prog band in the symphonic rock sense, more of a hard rock band with occasional prog leanings, so this really is no big deal.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mosh on April 03, 2012, 07:51:23 PM
A tad off topic but which is Yes' concept album? I assume Tales from Topographic Oceans but is there one I'm missing?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 03, 2012, 09:54:59 PM
Tales is more of a thematic album than anything, but I won't split hairs over that.

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on April 03, 2012, 10:21:07 PM
Tales from Topographic Oceans for sure.  There are many definitions of "concept album" and a lot of folks like to split it into subtypes or make up differences and whatnot, but in general, if the whole album tells a story (Tommy, The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway) or is all one continuous musical work (Thick as a Brick) or is composed of multiple pieces with a unifying theme (Tales from Topographic Oceans), then it fits the most general definition of concept album.  Note that there are probably other subtypes I'm not thinking of off hand, and that many concept albums will satisfy the requirements of more than one.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on April 05, 2012, 06:37:50 AM
i love rush
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on April 05, 2012, 07:32:14 AM
"The Neil Peart"?  Fake.

Well, that's my first impression anyway. Neil can seem full of himself sometimes, but once you get past that, you realize that he's just very sure of himself and has definite opinions and isn't afraid of expressing them.  Not the same thing.  I just don't see him using "The" in that way.  It strikes me as incredibly arrogant, and out of character for him.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on April 05, 2012, 09:01:46 AM
Yeah, i realized shortly after i posted that it was a fake.  Thanks
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on April 05, 2012, 11:28:44 AM
Fakeness aside, what was it?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on April 05, 2012, 11:59:49 AM
I don't use Twitter so I don't know how it works, but I guess it was a Twitter account supposedly for Neil Peart.  The username was "the_neil_peart" which I thought was kinda bizarre.  Why would Neil create an account under "the_neil_peart"?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on April 05, 2012, 05:45:45 PM
Have at it:
From Rushisaband:

UPDATE - 4/5@1:38PM: Here are some of DJ_Carter's comments regarding the radio-edit of Headlong Flight that he listened to:

... The opening chords sound almost EXACTLY like a heavier version of Bastille Day. ... There's some Bastille Day rhythms, a more raw guitar tone that sounds less polished and more Hemispheres-y, an absolutely bone-shattering drum break in the middle that sounds like a modern version of Neil's break in By-Tor, and some really audible and fun shifts in the structure of the song, a la the transitions in Natural Science. If I had to encapsulate the sound in just a few words, it would be Caress of Steel crossed with Vapor Trails. Headlong Flight doesn't feel as heavy as BU2B; it's very much Vapor Trails-y, but with much more tasty bass. Truly, the bass in this song is killer. I think we can count on seeing a lot more of the Leave That Thing Alone live solo stuff on this record. ... One thing that was really encouraging about this track was the fact that Neil's drumming was very fast in certain places. BU2B was ... heavy but plodding, not challenging or rhythmically complex. Headlong Flight is totally different. This is Neil at his best, and the break I mentioned earlier feels like his classic fills. There is indeed a guitar solo, towards the end of the track. But it's a solo in the sense that Alex's solo from Caravan was a solo. He's shredding, no doubt about it, but it isn't like a Freewill type of shredding that has a pattern and a resolution. Very frenetic and exciting, though! ...

----- snip -----

UPDATE - 4/5@8:00AM: I have a few more details regarding the track lengths of the various edits from reader DJ_Carter. He let me know that the album version of Headlong Flight runs in at 7:20. The original length of the radio-edit of the track was 5:20, but once it was confirmed that it would be the first single they produced another, shorter version that clocked in at 4:50. He was played both of these cuts (the 5:20 and 4:50 versions) but couldn't tell any significant difference.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on April 05, 2012, 06:21:45 PM
. I think we can count on seeing a lot more of the Leave That Thing Alone live solo stuff on this record.
That sounds AWESOME!

Quote
UPDATE - 4/5@8:00AM: I have a few more details regarding the track lengths of the various edits from reader DJ_Carter. He let me know that the album version of Headlong Flight runs in at 7:20. The original length of the radio-edit of the track was 5:20, but once it was confirmed that it would be the first single they produced another, shorter version that clocked in at 4:50. He was played both of these cuts (the 5:20 and 4:50 versions) but couldn't tell any significant difference.
I'm not sure if that's necessarily a good thing if he doesn't notice 30 seconds of music missing...:/
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 08, 2012, 06:28:37 AM
So the big rumor on rushisaband.com is that Rush will be playing all of Signals on the new tour.  I would kill to hear Losing It and Chemistry and the Weapon which I haven't heard since the Power Windows tour.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 08, 2012, 07:02:23 AM
So the big rumor on rushisaband.com is that Rush will be playing all of Signals on the new tour.  I would kill to hear Losing It and Chemistry and the Weapon which I haven't heard since the Power Windows tour.

I can definitely get down with that. Would love to hear losing it.

   If playing the whole album becomes a trend, I would like to see 2112, Power windows and Hemispheres eventually.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 08, 2012, 07:03:38 AM
Power Window would be great.  I'm only missing seeing Emotion Detector live and that solo is killer.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on April 08, 2012, 03:44:15 PM
Power Window would be great.

Underfuckingstatement
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Scrub206 on April 08, 2012, 04:42:08 PM
So the big rumor on rushisaband.com is that Rush will be playing all of Signals on the new tour.  I would kill to hear Losing It and Chemistry and the Weapon which I haven't heard since the Power Windows tour.

what? imho the weapon is the WORST song rush has ever written in their entire career. its soo bad. .__.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on April 08, 2012, 04:53:18 PM
So I just had a thought...the band has been touring pretty consistently since the Vapor Trails tour in 02/03, but they've always had a REASON (release) to tour, but after Clockwork Angels, could we be due for a long break between tours?

I mean, we had Vapor Trails come out, and then they toured on that, and then a year-and-a-half later we had Feedback come out and they did the R30 Tour.

But then, after 2.5 years, Snakes & Arrows was released and they toured on that for awhile.

Then not long after the end of the year-long S&A tour, they released the "Caravan"/"BU2B" single and did the year-long Time Machine Tour.

Perhaps the Clockwork Angels Tour will be SUPER long like the S&A and TM tours were (a year, at least? June-to-June/July)...but what about AFTER that? Are we to see a live release a year after the tour ends(May/June of 2014)...then what? If they take another 5 years for another studio album (assuming they still have one more left in them, which I really hope), that won't come out until 2017.

That leaves a huge gap between summer 2014 (CA Live release) and summer 2017. Would they release something small (like Feedback or the Caravan single?) in-between to do a small tour in 2015/2016? Or will they take a much needed 3-year break off touring and writing/recording?

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on April 08, 2012, 05:36:05 PM
So the big rumor on rushisaband.com is that Rush will be playing all of Signals on the new tour.  I would kill to hear Losing It and Chemistry and the Weapon which I haven't heard since the Power Windows tour.

what? imho the weapon is the WORST song rush has ever written in their entire career. its soo bad. .__.

GET. OUT.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Scrub206 on April 08, 2012, 06:02:06 PM
oh god i just tried listening to it again and i couldnt get through it .___.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 08, 2012, 06:10:35 PM
The Weapon was my favorite on the album for a long time, before I finally gave in to Subdivisions being better.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on April 08, 2012, 06:50:28 PM
This was bound to happen...

Subdivisions
The Digital Man
The Analog Kid
Losing It
New World Man
The Weapon
Chemistry
Countdown

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 08, 2012, 06:50:53 PM
So the big rumor on rushisaband.com is that Rush will be playing all of Signals on the new tour.  I would kill to hear Losing It and Chemistry and the Weapon which I haven't heard since the Power Windows tour.

what? imho the weapon is the WORST song rush has ever written in their entire career. its soo bad. .__.

Well since I've seen it live on 2 tours and you haven't. :P
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 08, 2012, 07:21:47 PM
1. Losing it
2. Subdivisions
3. Digital man
4. Chemistry
5. New World man
6. Analog Kid
7. The Weapon
8. Countdown (don't really like countdown, but then again its extremely hard to follow Losing It)

     and about The Weapon being Rush's worst song? I would say that stuff like Dog Years is worse. I do think that The Weapon is the weakest part of Fear though.


   
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Scrub206 on April 08, 2012, 07:37:57 PM
So the big rumor on rushisaband.com is that Rush will be playing all of Signals on the new tour.  I would kill to hear Losing It and Chemistry and the Weapon which I haven't heard since the Power Windows tour.

what? imho the weapon is the WORST song rush has ever written in their entire career. its soo bad. .__.

Well since I've seen it live on 2 tours and you haven't. :P

yes yes this probably could be the reason idk.  i love every othe song on the album. just not the weapon. it just rubs me the wrong way.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on April 08, 2012, 08:00:19 PM
Losing It
Subdivisions
Countdown
Digital Man
The Analog Kid
New World Man
Chemistry
The Weapon

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 08, 2012, 10:07:37 PM
The Weapon was also my favorite from Signals for a long time as well, but over time Subdivisions, The Analog Kid and maybe even Losing it now have creeped past it.  I still love it, though.  Oddly, Digital Man has gone down for me in recent years, even after seeing it live.  Strange.  Chemistry has some great stuff going on, especially Lerxst's guitar work, especially at the end, but I can't call it anything more than the 6th best song from this record.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on April 08, 2012, 11:07:34 PM
Subdivisions
Losing It
The Analog Kid
Digital Man
The Weapon
New World Man
Chemistry
Countdown
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on April 09, 2012, 03:52:31 AM
The Analog kid
Subdivisions
The Weapon
Countdown
Losing it
New world man
Chemistry
Digital man
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 09, 2012, 09:37:14 AM
Here's a fun idea: Imagine the tragedies in Neil Peart's life had not happened, and the band decided to do a 25th anniversary tour in 1999 on just the material they had at that point (Rush thru Test for Echo).  What would the set list have looked like?  I will do mine with the first song in the first set, last song in the second set and the encores picked on merit, but everything else done in reverse chronological order.  And Geddy's voice maybe could have pulled off some older songs back then, so that is a factor.  I also factored in what their sets had looked like in the 90s (this was before they were pulling out major deep cuts like Between the Wheels, A Passage to Bangkok, Digital Man, etc.).  I also think doing this only make sense if it is fairly realistic, as opposed to someone putting all of both Hemispheres and The Fountain of Lamneth in theirs. :lol

Here goes:

Set 1
Dreamline
Driven
Animate
Leave That Thing Alone
Bravado
Roll the Bones
The Pass
Force Ten
Mystic Rhythms
Red Sector A
Subdivisions
Red Barchetta

Set 2
Limelight
Freewill
Natural Science
The Trees
Xanadu
Closer to the Heart
Drum Solo
2112 (Parts I, II and VII)
Bastille Day
By-Tor and the Snow Dog
In the Mood
Tom Sawyer

Encore
The Spirit of Radio
Anthem
YYZ
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 09, 2012, 09:53:54 AM
Here's a fun idea: Imagine the tragedies in Neil Peart's life had not happened, and the band decided to do a 25th anniversary tour in 1999 on just the material they had at that point (Rush thru Test for Echo).  What would the set list have looked like?  I will do mine with the first song in the first set, last song in the second set and the encores picked on merit, but everything else done in reverse chronological order.  And Geddy's voice maybe could have pulled off some older songs back then, so that is a factor.  I also factored in what their sets had looked like in the 90s (this was before they were pulling out major deep cuts like Between the Wheels, A Passage to Bangkok, Digital Man, etc.).  I also think doing this only make sense if it is fairly realistic, as opposed to someone putting all of both Hemispheres and The Fountain of Lamneth in theirs. :lol

Here goes:

Set 1
Dreamline
Driven
Animate
Leave That Thing Alone
Bravado
Roll the Bones
The Pass
Force Ten
Mystic Rhythms
Red Sector A
Subdivisions
Red Barchetta

Set 2
Limelight
Freewill
Natural Science
The Trees
Xanadu
Closer to the Heart
Drum Solo
2112 (Parts I, II and VII)
Bastille Day
By-Tor and the Snow Dog
In the Mood
Tom Sawyer

Encore
The Spirit of Radio
Anthem
YYZ

That's almost the Rush in Rio set.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 09, 2012, 09:55:51 AM
The Rio set did not have:

Animate
Force Ten
Mystic Rhythms
Subdivisions
Red Barchetta
Xanadu
Bastille Day
In the Mood
Anthem

And the order is completely different. 

But considering the Rio set wouldn't have happen yet in 1999, I think my set list looks pretty realistic.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 09, 2012, 10:05:23 AM
As much as I'd like to see them, I don't think it would have been realistic to see Anthem or Bastille Day, even in 1999.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on April 09, 2012, 10:11:10 AM
It's a pretty cool set, but I don't care for the ordering too much. I think there's a reason Rush doesn't organize their sets that way, even on anniversary tours: an entire set of modern Rush and an entire set of classic Rush doesn't really feel right.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 09, 2012, 10:34:09 AM
It's a pretty cool set, but I don't care for the ordering too much. I think there's a reason Rush doesn't organize their sets that way, even on anniversary tours: an entire set of modern Rush and an entire set of classic Rush doesn't really feel right.


   Totally agree. I think its much more fun when they jump around the eras.

          and if there was one single song I would want to see live, it would be Anthem. Its my favorite Rush song.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on April 09, 2012, 10:37:44 AM
Set 1:
Limelight
Entre Nous
Cut to the chase
Driven
Virtuality
Leave that thing alone
Roll the bones
Mystic rhythms
Subdivisions
Closer to the heart
La Villa Strangiato

Set 2:
Tom Sawyer
The Analog kid
Force ten
Show don't tell
Hand over fist
YYZ
Between the wheels
Tears
2112
The Spirit of the radio

Encore:
Natural science
Cygnus X-1

I had some trouble with the flow, but having not really seen or heard a lot of Rush live albums and DVD, I can't really imagine a good flowing Rush show. Still, I'd kill for a setlist like this.  :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 10, 2012, 10:01:08 AM
That looks good, although Hand Over Fist is an interesting choice. ;)

The Rush Question of the Day: what is their best 4-song run on a studio album since 1982 (Signals through Snakes and Arrows)?

I'll go with these as the top 3 (only going with each album once):

1. Double Agent/Leave That Thing Alone/Cold Fire/Everyday Glory
2. Manhattan Project/Marathon/Territories/Middletown Dreams
3. Distant Early Warning/Afterimage/Red Sector A/The Enemy Within
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on April 10, 2012, 10:22:06 AM
Anagram/Red Tide/Hand over Fist/Available Light

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on April 10, 2012, 11:31:18 AM
1. Double Agent/Leave That Thing Alone/Cold Fire/Everyday Glory
Hard to argue with that.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 10, 2012, 02:55:30 PM
The Big Money/Grand Designs/Manhattan Project/Marathon
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on April 10, 2012, 03:07:20 PM
2. Manhattan Project/Marathon/Territories/Middletown Dreams
Well done.  :tup  Other good streaks:

Show don't tell / Chain lightning / The Pass / War paint
Stick it out / Cut to the chase / Nobody's hero / Between the sun and moon / Alien shore (wow, actually an amazing five song run!)

And, finally, the absolute winner, and this is where I lower bulletproof shields to protect me:

One little victory / Ceiling unlimited / Ghost rider / Peaceable kingdom / The Stars look down / How it is / Vapor trail / Secret touch / Earthshine
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 10, 2012, 03:14:55 PM

2. Manhattan Project/Marathon/Territories/Middletown Dreams


This my choice.  Man I hope they do all of PW on tour sometime.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 10, 2012, 03:27:03 PM

2. Manhattan Project/Marathon/Territories/Middletown Dreams


This my choice.  Man I hope they do all of PW on tour sometime.

Likely agreeing with Kev (can't think of anything better off the top of my head, except perhaps 2-5 on PW instead of 3-6), and definitely agree with King. I think it's highly unlikely they do anything prior to Permanent Waves in full, and as much as I'd love to see all of Permanent, I've already seen most of the album and think they could pull off Power Windows a lot better these days.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 10, 2012, 03:34:15 PM
Yes, I agree Nick.  Too hard on Ged's voice to do the older albums in full.  But maybe, just maybe they continue sneeking in old songs not played in a while. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 10, 2012, 03:50:06 PM

2. Manhattan Project/Marathon/Territories/Middletown Dreams


This my choice.  Man I hope they do all of PW on tour sometime.

Totally agree. If there is one album I would like to witness them playing all the way through its PW.

If only I had been alive for that PW tour, it would have been sweet. My Mom took my Uncle to see them on that tour and they always rub it in my face.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 10, 2012, 03:59:29 PM
Well on the PW tour did did every song but Emotion Detector, but it's been around 27 years soooooooo.....
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on April 10, 2012, 04:15:14 PM
So the big rumor on rushisaband.com is that Rush will be playing all of Signals on the new tour.  I would kill to hear Losing It and Chemistry and the Weapon which I haven't heard since the Power Windows tour.

what? imho the weapon is the WORST song rush has ever written in their entire career. its soo bad. .__.

It's not even the worst song on the album- that would be Digital Man. Or maybe Chemistry- though I can live with that now. I didn't love the reggae at the time though but both songs start really well before bolloxing it completely. I struggled with Signals for a long time before I realised it's a very good album disguised as a poor one.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 10, 2012, 04:20:23 PM
So the big rumor on rushisaband.com is that Rush will be playing all of Signals on the new tour.  I would kill to hear Losing It and Chemistry and the Weapon which I haven't heard since the Power Windows tour.

what? imho the weapon is the WORST song rush has ever written in their entire career. its soo bad. .__.

It's not even the worst song on the album- that would be Digital Man. Or maybe Chemistry- though I can live with that now. I didn't love the reggae at the time though but both songs start really well before bolloxing it completely. I struggled with Signals for a long time before I realised it's a very good album disguised as a poor one.

 That is a great way to describe it and I felt exactly like this. It was only just recently that I started to really enjoy Signals.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Pols Voice on April 10, 2012, 05:05:21 PM
The Rush Question of the Day: what is their best 4-song run on a studio album since 1982 (Signals through Snakes and Arrows)?

Distant Early Warning/Afterimage/Red Sector A/The Enemy Within
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on April 10, 2012, 06:26:34 PM
Manhattan Project/Marathon/Territories/Middletown Dreams (or The Big Money-Marathon)
Distant Early Warning/Afterimage/Red Sector A/The Enemy Within
The Larger Bowl/Spindrift/Main Monkey Business/The Way the Wind Blows
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nel on April 11, 2012, 12:31:16 AM
The Rush Question of the Day: what is their best 4-song run on a studio album since 1982 (Signals through Snakes and Arrows)?

Distant Early Warning/Afterimage/Red Sector A/The Enemy Within

Damn straight. aka I agreeee.  :metal

All four of those tracks are 5/5 songs to me. Made the rest of the album disappointing when I listened to Grace under Pressure for the first time.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: adace on April 11, 2012, 12:55:26 AM
 :omg: :omg: :omg:
https://www.billboard.com/news/rush-s-clockwork-angels-hits-june-12-1006721952.story#/news/rush-s-clockwork-angels-hits-june-12-1006721952.story (https://www.billboard.com/news/rush-s-clockwork-angels-hits-june-12-1006721952.story#/news/rush-s-clockwork-angels-hits-june-12-1006721952.story)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nel on April 11, 2012, 01:32:43 AM
I prefer the other cover art, but that looks pretty fucking evil/awesome.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 11, 2012, 03:52:41 AM
:omg: :omg: :omg:
https://www.billboard.com/news/rush-s-clockwork-angels-hits-june-12-1006721952.story#/news/rush-s-clockwork-angels-hits-june-12-1006721952.story (https://www.billboard.com/news/rush-s-clockwork-angels-hits-june-12-1006721952.story#/news/rush-s-clockwork-angels-hits-june-12-1006721952.story)

If the whole album sounds like That preview video  :metal :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on April 11, 2012, 04:17:36 AM
The sample tells me this is gonna be the heaviest Rush album to date.  :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: wolfking on April 11, 2012, 04:36:26 AM
I knew they would postpone my birthday present.

Nevertheless, the trailer sounds absolutely amazing.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 11, 2012, 05:18:42 AM
AWEEEEEEE SWEEEEETTTT!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on April 11, 2012, 05:19:33 AM
 :drool:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on April 11, 2012, 06:48:26 AM
lol, fuck that new cover

The single cover looks so much better.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on April 11, 2012, 07:26:55 AM
Yeah, the old cover was better. Also disappointing to see it pushed back a few weeks.
Still, it's nice to finally hear something definitive about its release.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on April 11, 2012, 08:16:18 AM
Yeah, the old cover was better. Also disappointing to see it pushed back a few weeks.
Still, it's nice to finally hear something definitive about its release.

It does suck, but at least we've got the track list! Now we only need the track TIMES... but with 12 tracks, if they say most of the songs run over 6 minutes, on average, that would mean the album could be over 70 minutes (a first for them). Then again, it seems this album is a big first for the band, as many sites are still saying it's a FULL concept album (not a 5-song suite with a bunch of unrelated songs). I think it's still true, now that there's even another track titled "BU2B2", so even if the tracks don't all segue like typical concept albums, there's at least connecting tracks or tracks that reference others around the album.

And knowing that there are 12 tracks to match the 12 symbols/"runic hieroglyphs", I'm sure there's some meaning/symbolism to how they are arranged, either as the clock face or in the track order. Exciting to hear a full concept album from Rush, especially a 12-track one that, hopefully, will run at or over 70 minutes! Push the boundaries even MORE, boys!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 11, 2012, 08:21:54 AM
Sweet!! :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: chrisbDTM on April 11, 2012, 08:25:30 AM
am i the only one who is hearing the obvious bastille day homage in the clip? i wonder if they are gonna have little things like that sprinkled throughout the album
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on April 11, 2012, 09:06:54 AM
Yeah, the Bastille Day similarity has been noted... somewhere, I don't remember where now, but I know I remember reading it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on April 11, 2012, 09:13:15 AM
BU2B2? Five characters have never gotten me so excited.  :lol That's not because I particularly liked BU2B, by the way; just because Rush is finally doing a concept album, or a near concept album, or whatever. And if the entire album sounds like the clip (which sounds a hell of a lot like Bastille Day, by the way), and is as good as the 2-song sampler we got 2 years ago, then I'll be more than satisfied.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on April 11, 2012, 09:55:32 AM
Yeah that's a huge Bastille Day similarity around the 20 second mark there.  I believe its part of "Headlong Flight" according to some descriptions.  I still liked it, but I do hope the whole album isn't full of "HEY REMEMBER THIS KIND OF STUFF WE USED TO DO"

Nevertheless I am still rock hard waiting for this to be released.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 11, 2012, 10:08:06 AM
Yeah, BU2B2 so late in the listing makes this look more and more like an actual concept album...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on April 11, 2012, 10:13:26 AM
A Blabbermouth comment mentioned that the clock on the album cover reads 21:12.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on April 11, 2012, 10:13:47 AM
Seriously, Gadough, I was just about to point that out. You win this round.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on April 11, 2012, 10:14:29 AM
Seriously, Gadough, I was just about to point that out. You win this round.

I can't take credit since I didn't notice it myself. :p
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 11, 2012, 10:16:06 AM
Actually the clock on the cover is wrong since the hour hand should be just over a sixth of the way towards 10:00 and it's still at 9:00.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on April 11, 2012, 10:16:36 AM
Here's the track listing as they line up with their symbols:


 1. Caravan          Copper
 2. BU2B                  Brimstone
 3. Clockwork Angels    Purification
 4. The Anarchist       Mercury
 5. Carnies          Winter
 6. Halo Effect               Zinc
 7. Seven Cities Of Gold    Sun
 8. The Wreckers       Aquarius
 9. Headlong Flight       Essence
10. BU2B2          Neptune
11. Wish Them Well    Lead
12. The Garden      Earth

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nel on April 11, 2012, 11:43:52 AM
Yeah. I'll probably use this cover art on my iTunes library. I just like it more.

(https://www.redblogchetta.com/assets_c/2010/05/clockwork-angels-big-thumb-300x300-12.jpg)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on April 11, 2012, 11:53:24 AM
Actually the clock on the cover is wrong since the hour hand should be just over a sixth of the way towards 10:00 and it's still at 9:00.

It's okay Nick, you can say it.  It should be exactly 1/5 of the way towards 10:00.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on April 11, 2012, 11:59:42 AM
Don't you know? Nick's religion prevents him from splitting things into fifths.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 11, 2012, 12:14:08 PM
Given that there are 12 songs and we already know that Headlong Flight is 7 plus minutes, it makes you wonder how many other songs will stretch out enough to eclipse the 6-minute mark.  I'd love to see them a song that is mostly instrumental - like Jacob's Ladder or PT's .3 - but with a little bit of vocals that have lyrics that relate to the overall theme of the album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on April 11, 2012, 12:25:15 PM
Don't you know? Nick's religion prevents him from splitting things into fifths.

Ah, that explains it.  No, I didn't know.  But to be fair, 1/5 is just a little more than 1/6.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 11, 2012, 12:33:29 PM
I haven't been this excited for an album in a long time.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on April 11, 2012, 12:39:13 PM
That's the best 30 seconds of Rush music I've heard in a long time- though the sample of Far Cry got me all excited before it all went so wrong. I'm half hoping for an instrumental album...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 11, 2012, 02:37:13 PM
(https://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t100/EmotionDetector/rush2012.jpg)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: WindMaster on April 11, 2012, 03:11:50 PM
Sounds like this new album will be pretty heavy. If it is, I'm all over it.

What does it mean by "single will be on rock radio april 19th?"

:drool:

Also, cover art looks fucking awesome.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: adace on April 11, 2012, 03:17:38 PM
I thought some radio stations were supposed to start playing the song today? Any word on that?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: wolfking on April 11, 2012, 03:20:07 PM
Actually the clock on the cover is wrong since the hour hand should be just over a sixth of the way towards 10:00 and it's still at 9:00.

I was actually just gonna post this after looking at the album cover again.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on April 11, 2012, 03:22:38 PM
Sounds like this new album will be pretty heavy. If it is, I'm all over it.

What does it mean by "single will be on rock radio april 19th?"

:drool:

Also, cover art looks fucking awesome.
It means that Headlong Flight, the first single, will be on rock radio that day (with the radio edit becoming available on iTunes, etc. a few days after). We knew that already though.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: WindMaster on April 11, 2012, 03:26:13 PM
Sounds like this new album will be pretty heavy. If it is, I'm all over it.

What does it mean by "single will be on rock radio april 19th?"

:drool:

Also, cover art looks fucking awesome.
It means that Headlong Flight, the first single, will be on rock radio that day (with the radio edit becoming available on iTunes, etc. a few days after). We knew that already though.
Ah, I thought they meant something more specific than general broadcast rock radio.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on April 11, 2012, 03:56:56 PM
I thought some radio stations were supposed to start playing the song today? Any word on that?

I think today was just the day a snippet of the single was supposed to be revealed, and it was, along with the album track list! I think we can expect the single next week and perhaps (and hopefully) the track times.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 12, 2012, 11:25:19 AM
1. Caravan(5:40)
2. BU2B(5:10)
3. Clockwork Angels(7:31)
4. The Anarchist(6:52)
5. Carnies(4:52)
6. Halo Effect(3:14)
7. Seven Cities Of Gold(6:32)
8. The Wreckers(5:01)
9. Headlong Flight(7:20)
10. BU2B2(1:28)
11. Wish Them Well(5:25)
12. The Garden(6:59)

Edit: added it up to 66:04
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on April 12, 2012, 12:03:09 PM
Damn, two seconds off.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on April 12, 2012, 12:11:14 PM
RIAB points out that this version of BU2B is about a minute longer than the prerelease single. I've got my fingers crossed for a rerecording.

Also, there's a rumor that Rush will be touring with an orchestra this time around. If so, I just came. If not, I just came thinking about the prospect regardless of its truthfulness.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mebert78 on April 12, 2012, 12:19:59 PM
Actually the clock on the cover is wrong since the hour hand should be just over a sixth of the way towards 10:00 and it's still at 9:00.

It's okay Nick, you can say it.  It should be exactly 1/5 of the way towards 10:00.

Hmm, I don't think the clock is wrong.  I mean, technically it is from our concept of time.  But if you look at the teaser video the minute and hour hands move at a weird pace -- not the typical movement we are used.  At first glance it looks wrong, but I think the band might intentionally have the hands laid out the way they are now.  I guess we'll see when the album is released and we can check out the lyrics and album art.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 12, 2012, 12:21:46 PM
I am officially excited. :coolio :coolio :coolio
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 12, 2012, 12:56:23 PM
The last four songs collectively add up to a total of 21 minutes and 12 seconds. :lol :lol :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 12, 2012, 01:06:13 PM
Idk, those track times don't seem right to me.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 12, 2012, 01:17:56 PM
For the record, the source is the Best Buy listing of the album, so more than likely legit.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on April 12, 2012, 02:19:23 PM
Yep. I have a feeling the track lengths will feel much more right to you when you're listening to the songs.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 12, 2012, 02:36:48 PM
Yep. I have a feeling the track lengths will feel much more right to you when you're listening to the songs.

The world will feel much more right at that point.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 12, 2012, 02:37:54 PM
RIAB points out that this version of BU2B is about a minute longer than the prerelease single. I've got my fingers crossed for a rerecording.

Also, there's a rumor that Rush will be touring with an orchestra this time around. If so, I just came. If not, I just came thinking about the prospect regardless of its truthfulness.

Please no orchestra.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on April 12, 2012, 02:41:38 PM
Why do you hate good things?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 12, 2012, 03:22:10 PM


Please no orchestra.

Amen.  It has been done to death, and Rush doesn't need to do that to keep the fans coming in.  But I don't see them doing it, anyway.  They are perfectionists about every little thing about the show, and I can't see them wanting to worry about someone in the orchestra causing one of their infamous train wrecks on a nightly basis.  Besides, it would cost a fortune to travel with an orchestra. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on April 12, 2012, 03:53:15 PM
What's so awesome about the cover? Boring to me. Preferred the single cover. Is this Syme again because if it is the guy is having a laugh.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on April 12, 2012, 04:24:01 PM
Side 1 - 18:21
1. Caravan(5:40)
2. BU2B(5:10)
3. Clockwork Angels(7:31)

Side 2 - 14:58
4. The Anarchist(6:52)
5. Carnies(4:52)
6. Halo Effect(3:14)

Side 3 - 18:53
7. Seven Cities Of Gold(6:32)
8. The Wreckers(5:01)
9. Headlong Flight(7:20)

Side 4 - 13:52
10. BU2B2(1:28)
11. Wish Them Well(5:25)
12. The Garden(6:59)

Edit: added it up to 66:04

Awsome. Five songs over 6 minutes long! This is gonna be EPIC. Nice to see BU2B2 is a short song (and, IIRC, the shortest Rush track ever!). I've edited the above to reflect what I think will be the vinyl lay-out...

As for touring with an orchestra, wasn't there a credit for string orchestrations for this album posted somewhere in one of the recent news stories? if that's the case, it looks like that rumor could be true - if there are strings on this album, they could use a string section/orchestra. Although I would only accept this if they play the WHOLE ALBUM IN ORDER.

Also, this lends credence to the performance of Signals, because having strings on stage would mean "Losing It" could be played with a proper violin solo!

And as for the cover... I think I'll use the single cover with "Clockwork Angels" written in as my iTunes cover. The red one is a bit...meh.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ReaperKK on April 12, 2012, 06:17:44 PM
Awesome clip, I can't wait for this song.

I too prefer the single cover.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on April 12, 2012, 09:33:46 PM
Hard not to get excited when some of the facts are rolling in.

Heard the clip once, but to be honest I forget exactly what it sounded like.

I wish Hugh Syme wasn't so hit and miss with his digital artwork.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on April 12, 2012, 09:55:30 PM
Hard not to get excited when some of the facts are rolling in.

Heard the clip once, but to be honest I forget exactly what it sounded like.

I wish Hugh Syme wasn't so hit and miss with his digital artwork.

Precisely. I wonder if hearing fan outcry against the new red-clouds cover will convince Huge/the band to switch back to the more colorful and steampunk-y looking album art?

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 12, 2012, 10:02:06 PM
I don't hate the new artwork, but it's hard to deny the old art was 10x better.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Setlist Scotty on April 13, 2012, 01:31:10 AM
Hard not to get excited when some of the facts are rolling in.

Heard the clip once, but to be honest I forget exactly what it sounded like.

I wish Hugh Syme wasn't so hit and miss with his digital artwork.

Precisely. I wonder if hearing fan outcry against the new red-clouds cover will convince Huge/the band to switch back to the more colorful and steampunk-y looking album art?

-Marc.

Why on earth do you think they would even hear public outcry, let alone change it once it's been released to the public as the final cover? Seems silly to me to believe that they would.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jingle.boy on April 13, 2012, 05:49:56 AM
Hard not to get excited when some of the facts are rolling in.

Heard the clip once, but to be honest I forget exactly what it sounded like.

I wish Hugh Syme wasn't so hit and miss with his digital artwork.

Precisely. I wonder if hearing fan outcry against the new red-clouds cover will convince Huge/the band to switch back to the more colorful and steampunk-y looking album art?

-Marc.

Why on earth do you think they would even hear public outcry, let alone change it once it's been released to the public as the final cover? Seems silly to me to believe that they would.

Yeah, no kidding.  Personally, I don't see how it's so fantastically superior than the previous one.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on April 13, 2012, 07:07:13 AM
Well Snakes & Arrows sort of had 2 covers. The cover by Huge, which was used on the booklet, then the painting of the actual Snakes and Arrows, which the band chose kind of last minute. I could at least hope they might do something similar this time around?

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ReaperKK on April 13, 2012, 08:05:28 AM

I wish Hugh Syme wasn't so hit and miss with his digital artwork.

Did Hugh Syme do the single cover art?

If not then there is not a single album cover I've seen of his that I like.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on April 13, 2012, 08:34:15 AM

I wish Hugh Syme wasn't so hit and miss with his digital artwork.

Did Hugh Syme do the single cover art?

If not then there is not a single album cover I've seen of his that I like.

According to the digital booklet's liner notes, Huge did do the Caravan/BU2B single cover.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 13, 2012, 08:36:54 AM
Okay, but I think Setlist Scotty was correct.  It's not like the band is gonna say, "Golly jee, a few fans don't like the cover; we'd better change it!" :lol :lol

Personally, I like it.  Not sure I'd put it up there with their best ones (MP, 2112, Power Windows, Roll the Bones, P/G, etc.), but I like it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on April 13, 2012, 08:54:16 AM
Okay, but I think Setlist Scotty was correct.  It's not like the band is gonna say, "Golly jee, a few fans don't like the cover; we'd better change it!" :lol :lol

Personally, I like it.  Not sure I'd put it up there with their best ones (MP, 2112, Power Windows, Roll the Bones, P/G, etc.), but I like it.

Fair enough. I think I'd have like the covers a bit more had they been switched - if the red one was the single cover and the single cover was the album cover.

Ah well... I guess I'll get used to it...eventually. Probably their least visually attractive cover. I would've almost preferred something more minimalistic like HYF or CP.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: cyberdrummer on April 13, 2012, 09:32:43 AM
I was thinking of reviving the Rush survivor that I used to run a few years back if people are game? Should hopefully coincide nicely with the release of Clockwork Angels.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ReaperKK on April 13, 2012, 10:12:34 AM
Okay, but I think Setlist Scotty was correct.  It's not like the band is gonna say, "Golly jee, a few fans don't like the cover; we'd better change it!" :lol :lol

Personally, I like it.  Not sure I'd put it up there with their best ones (MP, 2112, Power Windows, Roll the Bones, P/G, etc.), but I like it.

I don't think they should change if they like it that's fine.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 13, 2012, 12:06:46 PM
It's good marketing to have different covers.  Seems petty to me bitching about the cover.  Not like since the 1st album that Rush has had a god awful album cover.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 13, 2012, 12:31:28 PM
I was thinking of reviving the Rush survivor that I used to run a few years back if people are game? Should hopefully coincide nicely with the release of Clockwork Angels.

The problem with doing a Rush survivor again is that it has been done numerous times, and you can almost guess the results for each album and the finals.  Plus, with me concluding the Song of the Day thread here in the next two months and Marc doing his discuss two albums every week thread before the album is released, that is plenty of Rush talk to keep us all busy until Clockwork Angels hits the stands.  Not saying to not do it, but just saying that for many, including myself, it would have kind of a "been there, done that" kind of feel.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: cyberdrummer on April 13, 2012, 12:34:49 PM
I see what you mean. If I decide to do it, maybe it might be an idea to leave it till July/August before I begin, to allow some breathing space. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on April 13, 2012, 01:36:49 PM

I wish Hugh Syme wasn't so hit and miss with his digital artwork.

Did Hugh Syme do the single cover art?

If not then there is not a single album cover I've seen of his that I like.

He's done everything since Fly By Night (I think) so there's gotta be SOMETHING in there that you like. :P
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on April 13, 2012, 01:57:36 PM

I wish Hugh Syme wasn't so hit and miss with his digital artwork.

Did Hugh Syme do the single cover art?

If not then there is not a single album cover I've seen of his that I like.

He's done everything since Fly By Night (I think) so there's gotta be SOMETHING in there that you like. :P

Except the S&A cover, which was lifted from a painting, wasn't it?

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on April 14, 2012, 07:14:05 AM
I was thinking of reviving the Rush survivor that I used to run a few years back if people are game? Should hopefully coincide nicely with the release of Clockwork Angels.

tri.ad had been waiting for the new album to do it, but I haven't seen him around in a while...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on April 14, 2012, 02:19:39 PM

I wish Hugh Syme wasn't so hit and miss with his digital artwork.

Did Hugh Syme do the single cover art?

If not then there is not a single album cover I've seen of his that I like.

Grace Under Pressure? That is a beautiful piece of art.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 14, 2012, 02:26:07 PM
^^^^  Most of Syme's work is magnificent, but its been quite a while since he's really made something that has blown me away.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 15, 2012, 11:18:48 AM
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007TTVRPM?tag=estengercom-20

Now both singles have better artwork than the actual album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on April 15, 2012, 11:28:27 AM
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007TTVRPM?tag=estengercom-20

Now both singles have better artwork than the actual album.

Ahhh, sweet! That's the artwork currently on the Rush website. It looks pretty good, especially with the airship crossing it. The Power Windows news website has a good desktop of this image!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 15, 2012, 11:47:39 AM
Even better news.  The full song will be released as a digital single.  Woot!!!


https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/04/15/3064/Headlong-Flight-single-cover-art-revealed-full-version-available-for-download-April-24th
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 15, 2012, 11:49:23 AM
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007TTVRPM?tag=estengercom-20

Now both singles have better artwork than the actual album.

Ahhh, sweet! That's the artwork currently on the Rush website. It looks pretty good, especially with the airship crossing it. The Power Windows news website has a good desktop of this image!

-Marc.

Nice, using it now.

Even better news.  The full song will be released as a digital single.  Woot!!!


https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/04/15/3064/Headlong-Flight-single-cover-art-revealed-full-version-available-for-download-April-24th


Meh. It's good news when I can actually buy the physical single.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 15, 2012, 11:56:13 AM
Oh I know but at least your not forced to by the single edit only.


Also has anybody heard the Soundcloud cover of Tom Sawyer?

What it's about is the original drum track by Neil himself and other musicians play the guitars keyboards bass and singing.  On this one it's John Wesley on guitars and singing.  Billy Sherwood on bass and Dave Kerzner on keys.  Enjoy!


https://soundcloud.com/sonicelements/tom-sawyer-feat-john-wesley


Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 15, 2012, 12:43:56 PM
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007TTVRPM?tag=estengercom-20

Now both singles have better artwork than the actual album.

That is some cool ass artwork.

    and I have to say that I'm really digging the steampunk theme for this album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 15, 2012, 01:02:49 PM
Even better news.  The full song will be released as a digital single.  Woot!!!


https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/04/15/3064/Headlong-Flight-single-cover-art-revealed-full-version-available-for-download-April-24th

So people can pay for a song that they will pay for again when the whole album comes out? :P
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 15, 2012, 01:12:37 PM
Even better news.  The full song will be released as a digital single.  Woot!!!


https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/04/15/3064/Headlong-Flight-single-cover-art-revealed-full-version-available-for-download-April-24th

So people can pay for a song that they will pay for again when the whole album comes out? :P

Rush nuts like me are willing to dish out  a buck for a month and a half and then wear it out.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on April 15, 2012, 02:15:38 PM
Yep, I'd be perfectly fine spending an extra buck for a prerelease single.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: WindMaster on April 15, 2012, 02:47:56 PM
Same.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on April 15, 2012, 10:28:20 PM
Yep, I'd be perfectly fine spending an extra buck for a prerelease single.

Unless that single is released like the last one was on a real CD with the whole package, I'm doing without until I get my hands on the promo single or the that fan pack from the UK.  But that's just me, I enjoy it a lot more that way.


First album featuring Hugh Syme was Caress of Steel.

He's done some great work for Rush, but lately it hasn't been the album cover itself, but the other related designs for the album.

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jjrock88 on April 15, 2012, 10:50:17 PM
I can't wait for this release.  Everything I've seen and heard so far screams awesome.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: countoftuscany42 on April 16, 2012, 11:08:19 AM
Could it possibly get a physical release for record store day? That'd be sick
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 16, 2012, 02:07:48 PM
I am pretty confident that the music on this will be most excellent, but the key to how good it really is will be the vocal melodies.  Geddy's voice ain't nearly what it used to be, but he still does a mostly good job in the studio, so hopefully they wrote some good and memorable melodies.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on April 16, 2012, 03:16:27 PM
I am pretty confident that the music on this will be most excellent, but the key to how good it really is will be the vocal melodies.  Geddy's voice ain't nearly what it used to be, but he still does a mostly good job in the studio, so hopefully they wrote some good and memorable melodies.

I agree - Geddy's vocal melodies have been a bit hit-or-miss since TFE, so let's hope with Booujzhe's help, Geddy has some awesome vocal hooks for us to hum for weeks and months to come.

It's interesting - this album will have the band's shortest track ("BU2B2" at 1:28), but also four of the band's longest tracks since Moving Pictures ("Clockwork Angels", "The Anarchist" and "The Garden", all near or over 7 minutes long).

It's nice to see such variety on this album, in terms of track lengths. For years, we've had albums with songs all in the 4-6 minute range, with few exceptions. It's been a nice transition, though, as 2 songs on VT stretched over 6 minutes, and 3 songs on S&A, and now 5 on CA. If they keep this trend up, their 20th studio album might be 7-9 songs, all in the 6-8 minute range...or perhaps one over 10 minutes long? We can only hope...

-Marc
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: WindMaster on April 16, 2012, 05:45:35 PM
I think Clockwork Angels will be their last album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on April 16, 2012, 06:04:03 PM
Why?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: WindMaster on April 16, 2012, 06:07:28 PM
They're getting old, and Geddy's voice isn't what it used to be. They've been touring extensively for the last few years, and their last album was five years ago.

If it isn't their last record, it will probably be the last one that Geddy's voice is relatively good on.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on April 16, 2012, 08:46:26 PM
Well thank you for that insight, Mr. Positivity.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on April 16, 2012, 08:56:36 PM
lol

He's right though.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on April 16, 2012, 08:59:37 PM
Well, does anyone know how many albums their contract with Roadrunner lasts? I think they have at LEAST one more studio album after Clockwork Angels, just to give us a rounded out 4-album run of VT/S&A/CA/"20". I think 20 albums would be a rounded number, and if they take another 5 years to release another studio album, then their 20th album would come out in 2017, just in time for their 50th Anniversary in 2018 - The Fifty-Year Final Farewell Finale Tour.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 16, 2012, 11:08:20 PM
Um, pretty sure their 50th anniversary wouldn't be till 2024, since every band but DT does their anniversary shows by beginning the count from the year they released their first album/EP/single/whatever.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on April 17, 2012, 06:20:11 AM
Um, pretty sure their 50th anniversary wouldn't be till 2024, since every band but DT does their anniversary shows by beginning the count from the year they released their first album/EP/single/whatever.

Shhhhh  :angel:...it'll be a good way to bow out if they decide to before the end of this decade. I know they celebrated their 30th anniversary in 2004, but I really don't think they'll still be up for touring in 12 years. I guess the best we can hope for will be a 40th Anniversary tour in 2014 (something for them to do in the interim between studio albums if the CA Tour runs 2012-2013)?

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 17, 2012, 07:34:35 PM
Tour dates leaked and opening night is 25 minutes from my house.  This would be 3rd time I've seen the opening night of their tours!!

https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/04/17/3068/Rush-2012-Clockwork-Angels-tour-dates-leaked
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 17, 2012, 07:42:02 PM
Oh thank you god, they are playing Wells Fargo Center in Philly rather then Camden. Finally.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: countoftuscany42 on April 17, 2012, 08:23:44 PM
Oh thank you god, they are playing Wells Fargo Center in Philly rather then Camden. Finally.

whats better about wells fargo center? just curious. will be going to Drexel this fall so im looking forward to this being my first big college show.  also stoked its a friday!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on April 17, 2012, 08:25:35 PM
Shockingly, no dates in or near Atlantic Canada at all.
As much as I would like to see Rush live, zipping over to Montreal a few weeks into a new semester isn't really convenient.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 17, 2012, 08:56:31 PM
Tour dates leaked and opening night is 25 minutes from my house.  This would be 3rd time I've seen the opening night of their tours!!

https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/04/17/3068/Rush-2012-Clockwork-Angels-tour-dates-leaked

You're 25 minutes south right? Might be looking for a place to crash and/or someone to head to this show with...

I've seen a show in Toronto, the last show of a tour, and a show filmed for DVD, the only live Rush milestone left is also the one I've wanted most, to be there on opening night and be 100% surprised by the setlist.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on April 17, 2012, 09:06:49 PM
Looks like the closest show to me is in DC, the 2nd night of the tour. Guess I'm going...can't risk waiting to see them anymore, just in case they don't tour anymore.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on April 17, 2012, 09:29:57 PM
Tour dates leaked and opening night is 25 minutes from my house.  This would be 3rd time I've seen the opening night of their tours!!

https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/04/17/3068/Rush-2012-Clockwork-Angels-tour-dates-leaked

You're 25 minutes south right? Might be looking for a place to crash and/or someone to head to this show with...

I've seen a show in Toronto, the last show of a tour, and a show filmed for DVD, the only live Rush milestone left is also the one I've wanted most, to be there on opening night and be 100% surprised by the setlist.

They're going to play Tom Sawyer.

 :angel:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on April 17, 2012, 09:39:47 PM
Tour dates leaked and opening night is 25 minutes from my house.  This would be 3rd time I've seen the opening night of their tours!!

https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/04/17/3068/Rush-2012-Clockwork-Angels-tour-dates-leaked

You're 25 minutes south right? Might be looking for a place to crash and/or someone to head to this show with...

I've seen a show in Toronto, the last show of a tour, and a show filmed for DVD, the only live Rush milestone left is also the one I've wanted most, to be there on opening night and be 100% surprised by the setlist.

They're going to play Tom Sawyer.

 :angel:

How risky would it be if they didn't play ANY songs from Moving Pictures?? I mean, they did just play the WHOLE album last tour, and if the rumors are true, they might play all of Signals, which would mean they would only play 15-17 other songs...and we can only hope they play all of Clockwork Angels, which would leave only about 5 other songs... I mean, that'd be silly, though, right? Two whole albums on tour? Naaaaah...

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 17, 2012, 09:43:29 PM
I would LOVE for them to drop Moving Pictures for this tour, but it won't happen. Tom Sawyer, YYZ, and Limelight will all be in the set, and likely 1 other for repetitive measure.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on April 17, 2012, 09:49:31 PM
I would LOVE for them to drop Moving Pictures for this tour, but it won't happen. Tom Sawyer, YYZ, and Limelight will all be in the set, and likely 1 other for repetitive measure.

If it's any of them, it should be "Vital Signs" or "The Camera Eye". They did "Witch Hunt" on the S&A tour, and the other four have been in pretty regular rotation in the last 20 years, but the last time "Vital Signs" was played on the VT tour and before that, the RTB tour.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 17, 2012, 11:03:14 PM
Awesome.  I can't wait to see Rush inside again! :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on April 18, 2012, 02:10:01 AM
Very nice. Now, how about some European dates?  ;D
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 18, 2012, 03:44:47 AM
Oh thank you god, they are playing Wells Fargo Center in Philly rather then Camden. Finally.

whats better about wells fargo center? just curious. will be going to Drexel this fall so im looking forward to this being my first big college show.  also stoked its a friday!

Typically they play the Susquehanna bank center during the summer in Camden which is an open amphitheater. Overall the Wells Fargo center not only has better acoustics, but its also in a way better area. I really don't like going to Camden either. Also, I found it easier/more cost effective to get the seats I want at well's fargo.

 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 18, 2012, 05:14:54 AM
Tour dates leaked and opening night is 25 minutes from my house.  This would be 3rd time I've seen the opening night of their tours!!

https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/04/17/3068/Rush-2012-Clockwork-Angels-tour-dates-leaked

You're 25 minutes south right? Might be looking for a place to crash and/or someone to head to this show with...

I've seen a show in Toronto, the last show of a tour, and a show filmed for DVD, the only live Rush milestone left is also the one I've wanted most, to be there on opening night and be 100% surprised by the setlist.

Nick 25 miles east and you bet if you need a place to crash my house is open.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TAC on April 18, 2012, 05:22:50 AM
I haven't seen Rush since the Test For Echo tour. The Wednesday night Boston date likely doesn't work for me, but I will see Rush again, hopefully on next summer's leg.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 18, 2012, 07:09:13 AM
I haven't seen Rush since the Test For Echo tour. The Wednesday night Boston date likely doesn't work for me, but I will see Rush again, hopefully on next summer's leg.

You know when your getting old when you hedge on a weeknight show.  I do it all the time.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on April 18, 2012, 07:22:48 AM
Oh thank you god, they are playing Wells Fargo Center in Philly rather then Camden. Finally.

whats better about wells fargo center? just curious. will be going to Drexel this fall so im looking forward to this being my first big college show.  also stoked its a friday!

Typically they play the Susquehanna bank center during the summer in Camden which is an open amphitheater. Overall the Wells Fargo center not only has better acoustics, but its also in a way better area. I really don't like going to Camden either. Also, I found it easier/more cost effective to get the seats I want at well's fargo.


I had 2nd row seats at the Wells Fargo center for the T4E tour.  Very memorable.  Easy subway ride from Drexel as well. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TAC on April 18, 2012, 07:53:37 AM
I haven't seen Rush since the Test For Echo tour. The Wednesday night Boston date likely doesn't work for me, but I will see Rush again, hopefully on next summer's leg.

You know when your getting old when you hedge on a weeknight show.  I do it all the time.
It's not that, actually. It's the kids. It's a school night for our baby sitter and a work night for anyone else that could watch then.
That's why I'm so glad Maiden and DT are touring in the summer. I figure I'll hit Rush on a later leg.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 18, 2012, 08:08:22 AM
Yeah but that's what happens when you get older.  Responsibility!!   :lol  You know you've got to get us early the next day and I know I do that hedging all the time. :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on April 18, 2012, 09:10:06 AM
Tour dates leaked and opening night is 25 minutes from my house.  This would be 3rd time I've seen the opening night of their tours!!

https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/04/17/3068/Rush-2012-Clockwork-Angels-tour-dates-leaked

If those are correct, I think I'll take the NH date over Boston.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: SystematicThought on April 18, 2012, 09:24:37 AM
Target Center is an okay venue, but it's Rush so what the hell. I'm pumped.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: cyberdrummer on April 18, 2012, 09:57:20 AM
Hear a new song here: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/exclusive-stream-rush-return-with-heavy-headlong-flight-20120418

 :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 18, 2012, 10:01:34 AM
Woah.

*listening now*
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: cyberdrummer on April 18, 2012, 10:02:51 AM
Sounds like it could be a pretty heavy album, having heard this alongside BU2B.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 18, 2012, 10:07:06 AM
Wow, that absolutely rocked.  Me likey a lot. :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on April 18, 2012, 10:08:02 AM
New single is pretty good.

The Bastille Day-style riffs really bothered me in the beginning though.  Otherwise it sounds like a longer, heavier version of S&A songs like Spindrift, IMO.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 18, 2012, 10:24:09 AM
Fhxufhrbchdud can't listen till like 4pm.

Anyone find it somewhat odd that rolling stone of all places got this stream? They spent decades either ignoring or shitting on Rush.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 18, 2012, 10:25:15 AM
Yeah, there is some irony in that (the Rolling Stone thing).

But Roadrunner is doing this masterfully.  Between releasing this single now, the tour dates coming out this week, etc., they are doing a great job of building excitement for the album and tour.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on April 18, 2012, 10:34:21 AM
That was pretty rockin', some great riffs in there. I didn't like it as much as I liked Caravan or BU2B, though it might be a grower.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on April 18, 2012, 10:47:28 AM
Meh.  I am disappointed.  THIS is what we've been waiting for? 
Where are the keyboards/synths that people were talking about? 

The rest of the album better be much better.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on April 18, 2012, 10:52:01 AM
This song is pretty great. Based on this, Caravan, and BU2B, I'm pretty damn psyched for the new album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 18, 2012, 10:54:04 AM
I think they'll add a new Mexico date in between Phoenix and Dallas,Houston, San Antonio, whichever of the damn Texas dates
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 18, 2012, 10:59:04 AM
Hear a new song here: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/exclusive-stream-rush-return-with-heavy-headlong-flight-20120418

 :metal

Fuck yes, I love it  :metal :metal

   Definitely my favorite from the album so far.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nel on April 18, 2012, 11:07:43 AM
Listened to about half the song. It's alright. Just seems like more solid Rush.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on April 18, 2012, 11:37:39 AM
Any listen might help to prove
A shadow of their youth
This song reveals the awful truth
They're now long in the tooth



No melody, just noise.  I couldn't be more disappointed.  :-\
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ReaperKK on April 18, 2012, 12:02:45 PM
w00t coming to Tampa can't wait to see them.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TAC on April 18, 2012, 12:27:01 PM
The song is very cool  :tup, but the stream sounds terrible.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on April 18, 2012, 12:31:47 PM
Meh.  I am disappointed.  THIS is what we've been waiting for? 
Where are the keyboards/synths that people were talking about? 
Seems to me to be a silly reason not to like a song. :)

This song seriously rocks, man. I'm pumped for this album. The bass is INSANE.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 18, 2012, 12:41:44 PM
If the rest of the songs stand up to the level of quality set by Caravan, BU2B, and now Headlong Flight, I could see this being my favorite Rush album ever.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterLomaxus on April 18, 2012, 12:45:18 PM
Maybe the song will grow on me, but as it stands I do not like it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ReaperKK on April 18, 2012, 01:19:10 PM
Headlong Flight is my least favorite of the three but it's still good.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 18, 2012, 01:30:27 PM
Meh.  I am disappointed.  THIS is what we've been waiting for? 
Where are the keyboards/synths that people were talking about? 

The rest of the album better be much better.

Maybe on some of the other songs?  Were you expecting keyboards in every new song? 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on April 18, 2012, 01:52:21 PM
Someone play this for Myung. This is how a bass is meant to sound! I'm liking this more than any Rush since Counterparts. That's not saying alot, but I'm impressed. A bit heavier than I want to hear Rush and it's still got that downtuned sound I don't like, but not bad at all.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 18, 2012, 02:04:07 PM
Well for Rush, the first song is always a rocker that's not the best song or songs on the album.  It's their track record.  But I do like the song a lot.  Need to hear it at home on real speakers though.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on April 18, 2012, 02:24:38 PM
Meh.  I am disappointed.  THIS is what we've been waiting for? 
Where are the keyboards/synths that people were talking about? 
Seems to me to be a silly reason not to like a song. :)

This song seriously rocks, man. I'm pumped for this album. The bass is INSANE.

It would be a silly reason indeed.  Too bad there are 4-5 bigger reasons for disappointment here.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on April 18, 2012, 02:31:31 PM
Meh.  I am disappointed.  THIS is what we've been waiting for? 
Where are the keyboards/synths that people were talking about? 
Seems to me to be a silly reason not to like a song. :)

It would be a silly reason indeed.  Too bad there are 4-5 bigger reasons for disappointment here.
Well, what are they? The first thing you apparently had to say about the song was that it's missing keyboards, which we both agree would be a silly reason not to like a song. You also mentioned that there is "no melody", which is just untrue (there is not only melody throughout, but a perfectly fine harmony in the bridge section). So why are you disappointed?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: WindMaster on April 18, 2012, 02:48:56 PM
The new song is awesome. Vocals are surprisingly good. Sweet riffing, and DAT BASS.

So excited for the new album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on April 18, 2012, 02:55:09 PM
Gosh - where do i begin?

No vocal melody
No hook
wall of guitars that show no nuance or refinement - Alex is much better than this
Forgettable verses
Loud - back in junior high, kids used to play loud and fast to cover up the fact that they had no chops.  This sounds like they are playing loud and fast to cover up the fact that they are old, or to cover up that they have forgotten how to write songs. 

And i don't buy the "leave them alone - they are 60yrs old!" argument.  Each of them has repeatedly said they are currently playing at their peak.

Look - if it sounds like i am picking on them too much, it is because i am so disappointed.  Rush is my favorite band of all time by a factor of 100X.  I have to compare this to their existing catalog, which in my opinion is the greatest canon of music of the past 50yrs.  And in that context, this "song" does not measure up.  I don't think it even registers.

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 18, 2012, 02:55:49 PM
I probably won't listen to this track much. Just comparing the track to the sample the sound quality on the full song is horrid. Rather not have my opinions on the track hindered by horrible sound.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: WindMaster on April 18, 2012, 03:05:47 PM

No vocal melody
Dude, there is a vocal melody. It's pretty huge, actually, and really good. Sorta hard to miss.

wall of guitars that show no nuance or refinement - Alex is much better than this

There are riffs that are very clear. And a pretty nifty solo there.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on April 18, 2012, 03:13:15 PM

No vocal melody
Dude, there is a vocal melody. It's pretty huge, actually, and really good. Sorta hard to miss.

wall of guitars that show no nuance or refinement - Alex is much better than this

There are riffs that are very clear. And a pretty nifty solo there.
This, and also:

Loud - back in junior high, kids used to play loud and fast to cover up the fact that they had no chops.  This sounds like they are playing loud and fast to cover up the fact that they are old, or to cover up that they have forgotten how to write songs. 
You could interpret it that way. The way I interpret it is that they're a rock band playing a rock single. If your logic holds, Metallica and Maiden have been trying to convince people that they're young and good at songwriting since '82.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: lonestar on April 18, 2012, 03:19:23 PM
Good song, the bass is fucking beastly.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on April 18, 2012, 03:19:29 PM
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MlZSNNmOLZk/T41W1D4AioI/AAAAAAAALgs/fCkpjlq2j1I/s1600/CaravanSong1.jpg)

Saw this floating around (pun intended)...looks like artwork for the new album booklet. Maybe?

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 18, 2012, 03:23:55 PM
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MlZSNNmOLZk/T41W1D4AioI/AAAAAAAALgs/fCkpjlq2j1I/s1600/CaravanSong1.jpg)

Saw this floating around (pun intended)...looks like artwork for the new album booklet. Maybe?

-Marc.

That looks awesome. I just can not get enough of the Steam Punk aesthetic.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on April 18, 2012, 03:24:29 PM
Good song, the bass is fucking beastly.

I do agree about the bass.  Geddy is playing

I'm done bitching.  I said what i needed to say.  Hopefully the song gets better with each listen (Most Rush does, thank goodness).
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 18, 2012, 03:25:44 PM
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MlZSNNmOLZk/T41W1D4AioI/AAAAAAAALgs/fCkpjlq2j1I/s1600/CaravanSong1.jpg)

Saw this floating around (pun intended)...looks like artwork for the new album booklet. Maybe?

-Marc.

That looks awesome.

Man, aside from the cover the art for this album just gets better and better.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 18, 2012, 03:30:25 PM
Come to think of it, That actually would have made a pretty cool wrap around cover.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on April 18, 2012, 03:31:31 PM
Yep, I'd definitely have preferred this as a cover.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on April 18, 2012, 04:12:58 PM
No vocal melody
No hook
wall of guitars that show no nuance or refinement - Alex is much better than this
Forgettable verses
Loud - back in junior high, kids used to play loud and fast to cover up the fact that they had no chops.  This sounds like they are playing loud and fast to cover up the fact that they are old, or to cover up that they have forgotten how to write songs. 

lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ultimetalhead on April 18, 2012, 05:55:27 PM
Gosh - where do i begin?

No vocal melody
No hook
wall of guitars that show no nuance or refinement - Alex is much better than this
Forgettable verses
Loud - back in junior high, kids used to play loud and fast to cover up the fact that they had no chops.  This sounds like they are playing loud and fast to cover up the fact that they are old, or to cover up that they have forgotten how to write songs. 

And i don't buy the "leave them alone - they are 60yrs old!" argument.  Each of them has repeatedly said they are currently playing at their peak.

Look - if it sounds like i am picking on them too much, it is because i am so disappointed.  Rush is my favorite band of all time by a factor of 100X.  I have to compare this to their existing catalog, which in my opinion is the greatest canon of music of the past 50yrs.  And in that context, this "song" does not measure up.  I don't think it even registers.
(https://tigerbloodtuzzi.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/julien-shaking-head.gif?w=584)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: SystematicThought on April 18, 2012, 06:16:29 PM
Gosh - where do i begin?

No vocal melody
No hook
wall of guitars that show no nuance or refinement - Alex is much better than this
Forgettable verses
Loud - back in junior high, kids used to play loud and fast to cover up the fact that they had no chops.  This sounds like they are playing loud and fast to cover up the fact that they are old, or to cover up that they have forgotten how to write songs. 

And i don't buy the "leave them alone - they are 60yrs old!" argument.  Each of them has repeatedly said they are currently playing at their peak.

Look - if it sounds like i am picking on them too much, it is because i am so disappointed.  Rush is my favorite band of all time by a factor of 100X.  I have to compare this to their existing catalog, which in my opinion is the greatest canon of music of the past 50yrs.  And in that context, this "song" does not measure up.  I don't think it even registers.


(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qDdnwPOuokU/TxNMk4iUxFI/AAAAAAAAAoI/HyLL3sHS4jg/s1600/clint-eastwood-disgusted-gif.gif)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jjrock88 on April 18, 2012, 06:43:59 PM
Great song and I'm enjoying it more with every listen.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The King in Crimson on April 18, 2012, 07:17:49 PM
Okay, that was pretty awesome.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 18, 2012, 11:41:21 PM
Gosh - where do i begin?

No vocal melody
No hook
wall of guitars that show no nuance or refinement - Alex is much better than this
Forgettable verses
Loud - back in junior high, kids used to play loud and fast to cover up the fact that they had no chops.  This sounds like they are playing loud and fast to cover up the fact that they are old, or to cover up that they have forgotten how to write songs. 

And i don't buy the "leave them alone - they are 60yrs old!" argument.  Each of them has repeatedly said they are currently playing at their peak.

Look - if it sounds like i am picking on them too much, it is because i am so disappointed.  Rush is my favorite band of all time by a factor of 100X.  I have to compare this to their existing catalog, which in my opinion is the greatest canon of music of the past 50yrs.  And in that context, this "song" does not measure up.  I don't think it even registers.

Okay, but no one actually believes that.  And most musicians always think they are at their peak, regardless of age.  What are they gonna say?  "Well, we can't play like we used to, but we can still play good enough, so please buy our record?" :lol 

I think this will sound a lot better once we hear it in HQ.  It sounds too muddy now, but you can tell it will sound much better when we hear the regular version.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Jaq on April 18, 2012, 11:56:25 PM
DAT BASS.  :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 19, 2012, 04:47:02 AM
Looks like some of the tickets are going on sale April 27th (according to their website).
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 19, 2012, 06:58:53 AM
www.rush.com now has official tour dates and a lyric video for Headlong Flight.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on April 19, 2012, 07:28:53 AM
Gosh - where do i begin?

No vocal melody
No hook
wall of guitars that show no nuance or refinement - Alex is much better than this
Forgettable verses
Loud - back in junior high, kids used to play loud and fast to cover up the fact that they had no chops.  This sounds like they are playing loud and fast to cover up the fact that they are old, or to cover up that they have forgotten how to write songs. 

And i don't buy the "leave them alone - they are 60yrs old!" argument.  Each of them has repeatedly said they are currently playing at their peak.

Look - if it sounds like i am picking on them too much, it is because i am so disappointed.  Rush is my favorite band of all time by a factor of 100X.  I have to compare this to their existing catalog, which in my opinion is the greatest canon of music of the past 50yrs.  And in that context, this "song" does not measure up.  I don't think it even registers.

Okay, but no one actually believes that.  And most musicians always think they are at their peak, regardless of age.  What are they gonna say?  "Well, we can't play like we used to, but we can still play good enough, so please buy our record?" :lol 

I think this will sound a lot better once we hear it in HQ.  It sounds too muddy now, but you can tell it will sound much better when we hear the regular version.


Regarding playing at their "peak," it's an interesting question.  I don't believe it myself, but i actually think many people do.  I am a drummer, so i can hear Neil's age in his playing.  At the same time, he can do things now that he couldn't do 10yrs, 20yrs ago.  He's rounded out his skill set quite a bit as he continues to learn and grow.  A master musician never stops learning.  But most people can hear that he his drumming lacks the youthful vibrance it once had.  I personally think he peaked around 1991.

As far as Alex and Geddy - i don't have the knowledge to make an accurate opinion.  I will say that on the R30 tour, Alex was the star of the show for me.  And Geddy seems to be able to play as well as he ever has, if not very close to it. 

As far as their writing ability, i don't think anyone here would argue that it isn't what it once was.  That's the part that i have the most trouble accepting, because i can't find an intuitive reason why musicians (or writers) should lose their ability to write profoundly as they get older.  In Rush's case, i think most people on this board will agree that it started happening in the mid 90's, if not sooner.  They were still in their early-mid 40's at that point.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ReaperKK on April 19, 2012, 07:40:29 AM
Gosh - where do i begin?

No vocal melody
No hook
wall of guitars that show no nuance or refinement - Alex is much better than this
Forgettable verses
Loud - back in junior high, kids used to play loud and fast to cover up the fact that they had no chops.  This sounds like they are playing loud and fast to cover up the fact that they are old, or to cover up that they have forgotten how to write songs. 

And i don't buy the "leave them alone - they are 60yrs old!" argument.  Each of them has repeatedly said they are currently playing at their peak.

Look - if it sounds like i am picking on them too much, it is because i am so disappointed.  Rush is my favorite band of all time by a factor of 100X.  I have to compare this to their existing catalog, which in my opinion is the greatest canon of music of the past 50yrs.  And in that context, this "song" does not measure up.  I don't think it even registers.

Okay, but no one actually believes that.  And most musicians always think they are at their peak, regardless of age.  What are they gonna say?  "Well, we can't play like we used to, but we can still play good enough, so please buy our record?" :lol 

I think this will sound a lot better once we hear it in HQ.  It sounds too muddy now, but you can tell it will sound much better when we hear the regular version.
That's the part that i have the most trouble accepting, because i can't find an intuitive reason why musicians (or writers) should lose their ability to write profoundly as they get older.


There could be plenty of reasons, maybe they have just run out of ideas, it could very well be possible after all the albums that they have released.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 19, 2012, 07:49:59 AM
Official lyrics video (music is better quality too):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZcFGrWjOX0E
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jingle.boy on April 19, 2012, 08:27:28 AM
Love the song.  And that YT clip was much cleaner than the Rolling Stone one.  Can't wait for the album!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 19, 2012, 08:30:03 AM
Love the song.  And that YT clip was much cleaner than the Rolling Stone one.  Can't wait for the album!

Nice, I might actually listen a few times then. :D
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on April 19, 2012, 08:39:10 AM
As far as their writing ability, i don't think anyone here would argue that it isn't what it once was.  That's the part that i have the most trouble accepting, because i can't find an intuitive reason why musicians (or writers) should lose their ability to write profoundly as they get older.  In Rush's case, i think most people on this board will agree that it started happening in the mid 90's, if not sooner.  They were still in their early-mid 40's at that point.
See, but this would imply that Hold Your Fire is better than Snakes and Arrows, which is definitely not the case.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on April 19, 2012, 08:42:28 AM
YT clip is much cleaner indeed.  And HYF vs. S&A is close, but i would have to go with HYF.  Force Ten and Mission are better than any track on S&A.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 19, 2012, 08:45:08 AM
HYF's highs are way higher than S&A's highs, so I give the nod to Hold Your Fire.  It is close, though. 

Really, for me, after the top 7 of 2112 through MP, Power Windows and Counterparts, it is hard to put the next 5 of Signals, Grace Under Pressure, Hold Your Fire, Roll the Bones and Snakes & Arrows in a specific order.  Caress of Steel has been creeping back up as well, to where I might put it higher than I used to.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on April 19, 2012, 08:50:13 AM
Yeah, Hold your fire and Snakes and arrows are very close, both my lesser favorite Rush albums. Hold your fire has a couple more tracks that stand out, though, and I can actually get through it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on April 19, 2012, 10:02:23 AM
Well that comparison didn't go as I'd intended. I have honestly never thought of HYF and Snakes and Arrows as being anywhere close to each other in quality.
For me, HYF has a few good tracks, while Snakes and Arrows is fantastic more or less the entire way through.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: obscure on April 19, 2012, 10:12:49 AM
Holy shiiitttttt... new song  :omg: :heart
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 19, 2012, 10:31:17 AM
So I'm thinking about getting the VIP package this time around.

     Has anybody gotten them before and are they worth it?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on April 19, 2012, 10:42:48 AM
Official lyrics video (music is better quality too):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZcFGrWjOX0E

Thanks, sounds good :tup
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 19, 2012, 10:50:35 AM
So I'm thinking about getting the VIP package this time around.

     Has anybody gotten them before and are they worth it?

I'd say no. I got the package and got 4th row, which was amazing, but the package itself (which is $200 over front section price last time) was not worth it. The "limited tour poster" was a random fucking Fly By Night poster, and the "Special limited tour shirt" was just a fucking shirt with Rush on the front. Total rip off. What I'd suggest, if you want to spend the extra money, just go on ebay and pay an extra $100 or so for a really good seat.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 19, 2012, 11:08:23 AM
Agreed.  The VIP thing was not worth it.  Friends of ours got seats two rows behind us last time (we were 13th row center; they were 15th) by getting through TM, so good seats can be had without doing the VIP thing.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: kirksnosehair on April 19, 2012, 11:48:14 AM
I actually like that song quite a bit.  Haven't said that about too many Rush songs in a long time.   :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on April 19, 2012, 02:14:48 PM
As far as their writing ability, i don't think anyone here would argue that it isn't what it once was.  That's the part that i have the most trouble accepting, because i can't find an intuitive reason why musicians (or writers) should lose their ability to write profoundly as they get older.  In Rush's case, i think most people on this board will agree that it started happening in the mid 90's, if not sooner.  They were still in their early-mid 40's at that point.
See, but this would imply that Hold Your Fire is better than Snakes and Arrows, which is definitely not the case.

not in my world. not even close.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on April 19, 2012, 02:57:23 PM
HYF has better songs, but S&A is far more consistent as an album.

As for the new single, I'm already starting to figure out how to play the song on bass.  That opening melody is really fun to play.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: splent on April 19, 2012, 04:41:27 PM
Why is it that tickets go on sale when I'm financially not able to get tickets.  I'm going to try this time around though... I'm so pumped up for this.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 19, 2012, 05:40:25 PM
Why is it that tickets go on sale when I'm financially not able to get tickets.  I'm going to try this time around though... I'm so pumped up for this.

   Yeah I know. When I heard them say Fall Tour, my thoughts were "cool, now I can save money all summer and get tickets", but how wrong was I. Regardless, this is an experience of a life time that I must see.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: SeventhSon on April 19, 2012, 06:57:23 PM
In keeping with the 2112 reference, further examination of the new album cover reveals that the hands of the clock aren't moving.

TIME STAND STILL

[/NUGGETZ]
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on April 20, 2012, 10:02:11 AM
I already liked Headlong Flight when I first heard it, and it has grown on me since. This is going to be a great album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 20, 2012, 05:59:24 PM
What do you guys think of this cover of Red Sector A?  I like it a lot.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUz-dZ4dzKg
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on April 20, 2012, 10:34:13 PM
As far as their writing ability, i don't think anyone here would argue that it isn't what it once was.  That's the part that i have the most trouble accepting, because i can't find an intuitive reason why musicians (or writers) should lose their ability to write profoundly as they get older.  In Rush's case, i think most people on this board will agree that it started happening in the mid 90's, if not sooner.  They were still in their early-mid 40's at that point.

As you age, you lose your boldness, you become more aware of - and afraid of - ridiculousness.  The young are more focused, more consumed.  Many writers - you could look at Longfellow, or Hemingway, or Faulkner, or Dickens - have their most acclaimed literary triumphs early to mid career, and then gently fade, producing less ambitious but nevertheless polished works.

Or, they kill themselves.

After a band, or musician, peaks, there is often a fairly predictable pattern wherein the performer grows increasingly bombastic, then selects an alternative genre to dabble in, then does "back to the roots", and then a final hurrah.  Close curtain.

I sometimes think about these things in my own writing, which is occasionally for profit, typically for personal or fraternal pleasure, and always for fun.  I wrote more ambitiously, more fearlessly 20 years ago.  Now my writing has become measured and more pithy, just as I am as a human being. 

Did you know that Emily Dickinson wrote the majority of her poems during a 5 year period while in her 30's?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on April 21, 2012, 06:20:57 AM
I actually recently read an interview with Trey Parker and Matt Stone of Southpark about this.  From the New York Times:


"A decade ago, Trey, you said that you couldn’t point to anyone who sustained their creativity into their 30s or 40s. You’re about to turn 42.

Parker: I totally still think that. We’ve been writing “Book of Mormon” for seven years, and the best work on it was when we were still in our 30s.

You’re messing with me.

Parker: No, honestly. I think intellectually I’m a way better writer than I was, but in terms of coming up with stuff, it’s definitely dying. I can feel myself dying inside.


Stone: I can feel the instrument blunting. I don’t know if we could create “South Park” today. We have it, and it’s cool to build upon. But creating it? That takes the energy of a 25-year-old."

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on April 21, 2012, 09:13:49 AM
As far as their writing ability, i don't think anyone here would argue that it isn't what it once was.  That's the part that i have the most trouble accepting, because i can't find an intuitive reason why musicians (or writers) should lose their ability to write profoundly as they get older.  In Rush's case, i think most people on this board will agree that it started happening in the mid 90's, if not sooner.  They were still in their early-mid 40's at that point.
See, but this would imply that Hold Your Fire is better than Snakes and Arrows, which is definitely not the case.

It doesn't imply that at all.  Artists can show a general upward or downward trend, and there's usually a peak period that most would agree is their best, but it's not an absolute scale.  You can produce something in your prime which people generally don't regard as highly, and you can still come up with something amazing during a period when others have essentially written you off.  Snakes and Arrows cannot and should not be assumed to be "worse" just because it came later.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Big Hath on April 21, 2012, 09:34:42 AM
I actually recently read an interview with Trey Parker and Matt Stone of Southpark about this.  From the New York Times:


"A decade ago, Trey, you said that you couldn’t point to anyone who sustained their creativity into their 30s or 40s. You’re about to turn 42.

Parker: I totally still think that. We’ve been writing “Book of Mormon” for seven years, and the best work on it was when we were still in our 30s.

You’re messing with me.

Parker: No, honestly. I think intellectually I’m a way better writer than I was, but in terms of coming up with stuff, it’s definitely dying. I can feel myself dying inside.


Stone: I can feel the instrument blunting. I don’t know if we could create “South Park” today. We have it, and it’s cool to build upon. But creating it? That takes the energy of a 25-year-old."


Makes me think of the song "Losing It"
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on April 22, 2012, 03:04:50 PM
Fhxufhrbchdud can't listen till like 4pm.

Anyone find it somewhat odd that rolling stone of all places got this stream? They spent decades either ignoring or shitting on Rush.

Rolling Stone isn't above exploiting the huge fan base for the website clicks. That's all this is really about.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on April 22, 2012, 03:07:52 PM
I probably won't listen to this track much. Just comparing the track to the sample the sound quality on the full song is horrid. Rather not have my opinions on the track hindered by horrible sound.

Damnit Nick!  Stop thinking what I'm thinking!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on April 22, 2012, 03:26:43 PM
So I'm thinking about getting the VIP package this time around.

     Has anybody gotten them before and are they worth it?

I'd say no. I got the package and got 4th row, which was amazing, but the package itself (which is $200 over front section price last time) was not worth it. The "limited tour poster" was a random fucking Fly By Night poster, and the "Special limited tour shirt" was just a fucking shirt with Rush on the front. Total rip off. What I'd suggest, if you want to spend the extra money, just go on ebay and pay an extra $100 or so for a really good seat.


I'll take that Fly By Night poster off your hands, Nick. I'm sure I can find something you might want more.




It would be REALLY nice to go to opening night, but as it's gotten to the point where I can only go once (or twice if I'm luck) a leg, my choices are clearly Newark and Philly.

If I'm limited to only once this time, I'd trade the awesome atmosphere of an opening night in exchange for the band humming on all cylinders. Not an easy choice. If opening night were in say...Albany, I'd try a little harder to try and make this work.


Depends if the convenience of Newark is worth it the increase in cost.

Given the cost of this excursion, I may just wait and hit one show this leg and one show next leg when they might change up a song or two.



But I've got my stockpile of lubricant and I guess I'm ready to endure the Rush ticket buying experience once again.

History shows that If I waited, I'd be able to get the seats I want on the day of the show, but I think I'm still too much of a chicken to try it.


Kind of sucks that I might have to miss Dream Theater and what is essentially King Crimson for this but......
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 22, 2012, 04:08:54 PM
Well, this will be my 3rd opening night seeing Rush

1985 -- Power Windows Tour -- Maine
2002 -- Vapor Trailers Tour -- CT
2012  --Clockwork Angels Tour NH


Very lucky.  Met Geddy on the Power Windows tour and I loves the sign on their tour bus in the front.  it said, "Nobody Important." :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on April 22, 2012, 04:35:49 PM
Well, this will be my 3rd opening night seeing Rush

1985 -- Power Windows Tour -- Maine
2002 -- Vapor Trailers Tour -- CT
2012  --Clockwork Angels Tour NH


Very lucky.  Met Geddy on the Power Windows tour and I loves the sign on their tour bus in the front.  it said, "Nobody Important." :lol


You're one up on me.

I've got:

1996 Test For Echo -- Albany, NY
2002 Vapor Trails -- Hartford, CT


I know this will be a pretty special one too. You cannot beat the atmosphere if you get there early and just take it all in.
There a special electricity in the crowd too that even the Internet can't kill (Unless someone stakes out the dress rehersal and leaks it the day before.)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 22, 2012, 04:41:39 PM
Got to say that 2002 was very emotional.  I think you felt that too.  The tailgating we did waiting for the show was electric.  Most fans in the back of our minds wondered if we'd ever see a show again.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nekov on April 22, 2012, 05:17:12 PM
After a couple of listens to the new song I'm gonna do what DTF loves most, a Ranking!

Caravan
Headlong Flight
BU2B
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 22, 2012, 05:46:37 PM
1. Headlong flight
2. BU2B
3. Caravan
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 22, 2012, 06:05:56 PM
My sister and best friend have both paid me for a ticket, opening night here I come!!!

Because it's the three of us we'll likely just get a cheap motel somewhere, possibly stopping in Boston on Saturday to check the city out on the way home.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on April 22, 2012, 06:22:00 PM
1. Caravan
2. Headlong Flight
3. BU2B

But they're all very good.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 22, 2012, 06:23:58 PM
I've listened to the new song all of 2 times, but for now...

1. Caravan
2. BU2B
3. Headlong Flight
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 22, 2012, 08:12:55 PM
With the tour now announced, can we assume that if there was any credibility to the symphony, or any album being played in full, that it would have been announced with the rest of the tour info?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on April 22, 2012, 08:15:10 PM
I'm sure that's the case. If Rush (or any band, honestly) tours with a gimmick, they'll reveal the gimmick at the get-go to sell tickets.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 22, 2012, 09:55:50 PM
With the tour now announced, can we assume that if there was any credibility to the symphony, or any album being played in full, that it would have been announced with the rest of the tour info?

That is a safe assumption.  We can now hopefully put aside the foolish notions that they'd play all of Signals or tour with an orchestra, both of which I said were very unlikely. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 22, 2012, 09:59:18 PM
With the tour now announced, can we assume that if there was any credibility to the symphony, or any album being played in full, that it would have been announced with the rest of the tour info?

That is a safe assumption.  We can now hopefully put aside the foolish notions that they'd play all of Signals or tour with an orchestra, both of which I said were very unlikely. 

The symphony I could see, but Signals just didn't make sense to me other than it came right after Moving Pictures.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on April 23, 2012, 08:38:45 AM
With the tour now announced, can we assume that if there was any credibility to the symphony, or any album being played in full, that it would have been announced with the rest of the tour info?

That is a safe assumption.  We can now hopefully put aside the foolish notions that they'd play all of Signals or tour with an orchestra, both of which I said were very unlikely. 

The symphony I could see, but Signals just didn't make sense to me other than it came right after Moving Pictures.

Yeah but... "Losing It" with STRINGS!!! LIVE!!!!

 :-[ Oh well, we can dream, can't we?

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 23, 2012, 09:50:40 AM
10 minutes...

Not going to have computer access for the Citi pre-sale tomorrow, so this is my only major shot at good seats prior to Friday's general on sale.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 23, 2012, 09:57:47 AM
2 minutes to go.

   Happy hunting. (If only they would tell you exactly where the seats were for VIP) :sad:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 23, 2012, 10:27:59 AM
Just scored 10th Row  :metal :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on April 23, 2012, 10:51:04 AM
did you score 10th row at 12:27pm???
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 23, 2012, 10:56:49 AM
did you score 10th row at 12:27pm???

  Damn how did you know?

It was right around that time. For the first 20 minutes it kept saying "no seats available" and then a couple 10th rows and 9th rows popped and I jumped on the 10th since its near the center on Alex's side.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on April 23, 2012, 11:02:55 AM
your post was at 12:27
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 23, 2012, 11:05:33 AM
your post was at 12:27

 :facepalm:

   My bad. My heart is still racing and I'm still a little in shock, so I cant' even think strait  :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on April 23, 2012, 11:08:59 AM
I wonder how/why they do that?  I mean, for the first 20 minutes there were no seats available (even as soon as 12:01).
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 23, 2012, 12:39:07 PM
I pulled 16th row somewhat early on, kept trying for better and ended up settling for 21st row. Oh well, it's going to be insane in any case, and I'll be ditching this thread a week or two before the tour so I don't even hear any rehearsal rumors of what they might be playing.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 23, 2012, 12:46:04 PM
I pulled 16th row somewhat early on, kept trying for better and ended up settling for 21st row. Oh well, it's going to be insane in any case, and I'll be ditching this thread a week or two before the tour so I don't even hear any rehearsal rumors of what they might be playing.

That makes two of us. I want this to be a complete surprise.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: countoftuscany42 on April 23, 2012, 02:15:15 PM
I saw there's a livenation presale Wednesday, does anyone know if u can get that at a venue that's not near u?
I live near sf but will be going to the Philly show, so I didn't know if I could get a presale for Philly while living here...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 23, 2012, 10:08:26 PM
Headlong Flight is now available on iTunes.  Yes, I bought it. :biggrin:

The HQ mp3 already sounds significantly better than the original stream or any of the youtube links that had surfaced since.  :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The King in Crimson on April 23, 2012, 10:22:22 PM
Just watched Beyond The Lighted Stage again.

God, I love that documentary.  Just gets me pumped and wanting to listen to some Rush again.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nofire on April 24, 2012, 12:43:06 AM
Headlong Flight is now available on iTunes.  Yes, I bought it. :biggrin:

The HQ mp3 already sounds significantly better than the original stream or any of the youtube links that had surfaced since.  :metal

Is Headlong Flight only available in the US on iTunes? I can't find it in Germany  :-[
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 24, 2012, 04:03:19 AM
Headlong Flight is now available on iTunes.  Yes, I bought it. :biggrin:

The HQ mp3 already sounds significantly better than the original stream or any of the youtube links that had surfaced since.  :metal

  Its pretty cool that CA has its on custom made Itunes page. If only it had previews for all the songs.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 24, 2012, 08:17:05 AM
Headlong Flight is now available on iTunes.  Yes, I bought it. :biggrin:

The HQ mp3 already sounds significantly better than the original stream or any of the youtube links that had surfaced since.  :metal

I thought you were not going to buy it?  I KNEW IT!! :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 24, 2012, 08:27:28 AM
I never said that.  All I said was:

Even better news.  The full song will be released as a digital single.  Woot!!!


https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/04/15/3064/Headlong-Flight-single-cover-art-revealed-full-version-available-for-download-April-24th

So people can pay for a song that they will pay for again when the whole album comes out? :P

I don't think spending an extra $1.29 on Rush will break me. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on April 24, 2012, 08:40:00 AM
Got my "Headlong Flight" mp3 for FREE on Amazon because I had a free-download credit for ordering on there a couple weeks ago! WOOHOO!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on April 24, 2012, 09:41:27 AM
Got my "Headlong Flight" mp3 for FREE on Amazon because I had a free-download credit for ordering on there a couple weeks ago! WOOHOO!

-Marc.
Dude, thanks for reminding me. I had an mp3 credit I completely forgot about. It couldn't have been put to better use if I had tried.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 24, 2012, 10:50:02 AM
Gah, I suppose I will have to dig through my email trash bin. I get those MP3 credits all the time and just ignore them, but I'd use one on this.

Interesting Kev side note: Last time I used one was to be able to get Neal's T2 2nd disc early.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 24, 2012, 11:06:43 AM
Nice, found I do have some MP3 credits in my account, will buy when I get home.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Big Hath on April 24, 2012, 11:09:28 AM
Gah, I suppose I will have to dig through my email trash bin.

You shouldn't have to.  I never have to enter a code to use them as they automatically credit my account when I buy an MP3.

You can check to see if a credit is on your account by going to an Amazon Prime video like this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002OHK7CS/ref=s9_al_bw_g318_ir05?ie=UTF8&redirect=true

and then you should see a link just under the video player that says "View Balance".  That should show you all you MP3 credits.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Big Hath on April 24, 2012, 11:09:58 AM
Oops, I see you already figured it out.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TempusVox on April 24, 2012, 03:11:22 PM
Gosh - where do i begin?

No vocal melody
No hook
wall of guitars that show no nuance or refinement - Alex is much better than this
Forgettable verses
Loud - back in junior high, kids used to play loud and fast to cover up the fact that they had no chops.  This sounds like they are playing loud and fast to cover up the fact that they are old, or to cover up that they have forgotten how to write songs. 

And i don't buy the "leave them alone - they are 60yrs old!" argument.  Each of them has repeatedly said they are currently playing at their peak.

Look - if it sounds like i am picking on them too much, it is because i am so disappointed.  Rush is my favorite band of all time by a factor of 100X.  I have to compare this to their existing catalog, which in my opinion is the greatest canon of music of the past 50yrs.  And in that context, this "song" does not measure up.  I don't think it even registers.

Okay, but no one actually believes that.  And most musicians always think they are at their peak, regardless of age.  What are they gonna say?  "Well, we can't play like we used to, but we can still play good enough, so please buy our record?" :lol 

I think this will sound a lot better once we hear it in HQ.  It sounds too muddy now, but you can tell it will sound much better when we hear the regular version.


Regarding playing at their "peak," it's an interesting question.  I don't believe it myself, but i actually think many people do.  I am a drummer, so i can hear Neil's age in his playing.  At the same time, he can do things now that he couldn't do 10yrs, 20yrs ago.  He's rounded out his skill set quite a bit as he continues to learn and grow.  A master musician never stops learning.  But most people can hear that he his drumming lacks the youthful vibrance it once had.  I personally think he peaked around 1991.

As far as Alex and Geddy - i don't have the knowledge to make an accurate opinion.  I will say that on the R30 tour, Alex was the star of the show for me.  And Geddy seems to be able to play as well as he ever has, if not very close to it. 

As far as their writing ability, i don't think anyone here would argue that it isn't what it once was.  That's the part that i have the most trouble accepting, because i can't find an intuitive reason why musicians (or writers) should lose their ability to write profoundly as they get older.  In Rush's case, i think most people on this board will agree that it started happening in the mid 90's, if not sooner.  They were still in their early-mid 40's at that point.

Brooks...interesting that you think NP peaked around' 90. In conversations I had with him he has told me he didn't actually take his drumming that seriously until around 95-96. Also don't forget that he also walked away from his drums for a while there. For a loooong time he wouldnt even walk into a room where there were drums. And Ged has shared similar things with me as well. NP has always played to his own satisfaction, and no one elses. He has continued to grow and learn and EVOLVE as a musician. People often forget that a recorded song that moves them is a permanent record of that artists piece, and people think every subsequent record should sound like the one they have been familiar with for 30 years or longer. Life doesnt work that way. People and their interests change. NP isn't the same musician, let alone the same man he was 30 years ago. But he is always looking to evolve or try something different. Hell...the entire band has always done this too. As for writing ability, if every song sounded the same, then no one would buy records, and artists would get bored and give up. (Of course, this unfortunately doesn't apply to guys like Kid Rock for some damn reason.  :P )
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 24, 2012, 04:21:59 PM
I never said that.  All I said was:

Even better news.  The full song will be released as a digital single.  Woot!!!


https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/04/15/3064/Headlong-Flight-single-cover-art-revealed-full-version-available-for-download-April-24th

So people can pay for a song that they will pay for again when the whole album comes out? :P

I don't think spending an extra $1.29 on Rush will break me. :biggrin:

We Kev reading that made me think that you were against buying it twice but I'M DOING IT TOO!! :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 24, 2012, 04:32:44 PM
Had a bit of a surreal experience today.

My gf had shown interest in Rush and possibly going with to see a show when they toured. Well, I planned the Manchester trip and she wasn't able to do that. Long story short she is basically forcing me to go to the Philly show as well so she can see a show.

There are worse fates in this world then having to say OK, I'll find a way to do a second show. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 24, 2012, 04:47:47 PM
If anybody wants the presale # for Rush tickets in Manchester.  I have it.  I just got my tickets in Section 108.

Passcode for the Citi presale is #414729

You do not need to use a Citi Visa card.  You can use any.


Edit: Oh and WOOOOOOOT!!!  Show # 29 for me!!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: glaurung on April 24, 2012, 05:17:52 PM
Will that work for any city or only Manchester?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Scrub206 on April 24, 2012, 05:55:30 PM
Had a bit of a surreal experience today.

My gf had shown interest in Rush and possibly going with to see a show when they toured. Well, I planned the Manchester trip and she wasn't able to do that. Long story short she is basically forcing me to go to the Philly show as well so she can see a show.

There are worse fates in this world then having to say OK, I'll find a way to do a second show. :biggrin:

dude leah wants to get a rush sweatshirt and she can even name all 3 members from rush... my mind is blown +____+
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: WindMaster on April 24, 2012, 07:17:37 PM
NO WAI!!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 24, 2012, 07:22:13 PM
Will that work for any city or only Manchester?

Just Manchester.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: wolfking on April 24, 2012, 08:37:11 PM
After my first listen, I didn't really dig the new tune at all.  Will have to listen more.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TempusVox on April 24, 2012, 09:29:58 PM
Last part of the last tour, I didn't get much chance to catch many shows. On first glance...I'll be able to hit about seven shows this fall. Of course I'll be at Dwór Lee in about two weeks anyway...  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on April 24, 2012, 10:25:48 PM
After about four hours of trying I got 17th row Alex's side at The Rock on Monday. Seemed like about the last 5 rows in about 6 sections in the lower bowl and a few rows on the floor were only available.

The Music Today sofware is A LOT more user friendly than Ticketbastard's.

I tried the Citibank sale today just to see what was there for about 45 minutes and couldn't get anything I was substantially happier with so these will do.


Still a chance I might hit Philly, but it will have to be alone. I guess it depends on the set. I could use this as a test case to get a great seat at showtime.




Quote
Tempus Vox:
People often forget that a recorded song that moves them is a permanent record of that artists piece, and people think every subsequent record should sound like the one they have been familiar with for 30 years or longer. Life doesnt work that way. People and their interests change. NP isn't the same musician, let alone the same man he was 30 years ago. But he is always looking to evolve or try something different. Hell...the entire band has always done this too. As for writing ability, if every song sounded the same, then no one would buy records, and artists would get bored and give up.


And this is a MAJOR reason why I love this band.  We're in 2012 now, not 1981.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: countoftuscany42 on April 24, 2012, 11:10:49 PM
does anyone know the presale codes for the philly show? I saw theres a livenation presale and a venue presale..
Ill be living in philly at the time, but since i currently live in california i dont have access to presale codes for venues other than CA venues..
If anyone can help itd be much appreciated!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 25, 2012, 08:43:14 AM
Quote
Tempus Vox:
People often forget that a recorded song that moves them is a permanent record of that artists piece, and people think every subsequent record should sound like the one they have been familiar with for 30 years or longer. Life doesnt work that way. People and their interests change. NP isn't the same musician, let alone the same man he was 30 years ago. But he is always looking to evolve or try something different. Hell...the entire band has always done this too. As for writing ability, if every song sounded the same, then no one would buy records, and artists would get bored and give up.


And this is a MAJOR reason why I love this band.  We're in 2012 now, not 1981.

Agreed. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on April 25, 2012, 08:45:09 AM
Quote
Tempus Vox:
People often forget that a recorded song that moves them is a permanent record of that artists piece, and people think every subsequent record should sound like the one they have been familiar with for 30 years or longer. Life doesnt work that way. People and their interests change. NP isn't the same musician, let alone the same man he was 30 years ago. But he is always looking to evolve or try something different. Hell...the entire band has always done this too. As for writing ability, if every song sounded the same, then no one would buy records, and artists would get bored and give up.


And this is a MAJOR reason why I love this band.  We're in 2012 now, not 1981.


And, to me, this is a MAJOR reason why i am disappointed by Headlong Flight.  To me it sounds like devolution, rather than moving forward. 

What makes Rush so profound is that they were always trying new things and evolving.  That evolution, to this pair of ears, seems to have ground to a tortoise-pace in the mid-90's. 


As for NP, his drumming evolution seems to have done the same.  Roll the Bones, in my opinion, is the greatest drum recorded performance of the modern era.  In terms of skill, finesse, composition, feel, serving-the-song, virtuosity, maturity and breadth, it stands above the rest.  (RTB arguably also has the best lyrics that NP has ever written.  Yes, too bad the thin production cloaks much of the mastery).

I don't see this at odds with what i said previously: 
  At the same time, he can do things now that he couldn't do 10yrs, 20yrs ago.  He's rounded out his skill set quite a bit as he continues to learn and grow.  A master musician never stops learning.
 
I think a musician (or any artist) can peak, but still continue to learn and grow.  Almost no artist peaks the day before they die. 

Anyway, that's how i feel about it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on April 25, 2012, 09:05:42 AM
And, to me, this is a MAJOR reason why i am so disappointed by Headlong Flight.  To me it sounds like devolution, rather than moving forward. 



One thing about this - it may very well be that my brain is just too small to hear the evolution.  I exchanged some emails with someone over at RIAB a few days ago.  What he had to say was very interesting:


"What I was referring to is Rush's use of the tritone (an augmented fourth interval) in these songs.  In modern music, this interval is thought to have been first popularized by Wagner in the famous Tristan and Isolde chord.  You can hear this in the recent movie "Meloncholia," which often repeats the section from "Tristan" that uses this chord.  In the Middle Ages, the augmented fourth was thought to be a particularly discordant interval, inasmuch as it did not sound consonant with the usual diatonic scale.  If you are not familiar with this interval, you can hear it in West Side Story: the augmented fourth is sung in "Mari-ia", between the a- and the -ri."  The augmented fourth is thought to be the gateway to a 12-tone scale, wherein a song might use not only the notes in a major or minor scale, but all 12 notes in an octave (between a C and a C an octave higher on a piano keyboard).

What I was saying about Good News First, and part of the chorus of Headlong Flight, is that Rush is playing off this augmented fourth.  I was playing around with the idea that they, like Bach and Mozart, could be leaning toward the use of a 12 tone scale in rock music, which would be really exciting.  It was just a thought, and I threw it out there to see if anyone else might agree or disprove my conjecture.  I hope that this makes sense, and that you are enjoying the new Rush music!"


Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 27, 2012, 08:33:56 AM
God damn, had forgotten that Wells Fargo Center (which does its own ticketing) is just as bad if not worse than Ticketmaster.

$86 for two tickets, and $37 in charges.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 27, 2012, 10:13:23 AM
God damn, had forgotten that Wells Fargo Center (which does its own ticketing) is just as bad if not worse than Ticketmaster.

$86 for two tickets, and $37 in charges.

  Where are your seats at Nick?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on April 27, 2012, 10:23:23 AM
Section 210 row 2

Funny thing is, I had initially planned to just check every once in awhile and eventually get tickets I liked. Decided to log on this morning and check a half hour after tickets went on sale, checked the $63 seats first and was given 7th row, decided to check what was available for $43 and got 2nd row. :lol

I had originally planned to try and get a section closer to the stage on the side, but for the cheapest price and 2nd row I said fuck it and took it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on April 28, 2012, 08:50:10 AM
(https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/rush/images/tourbooks/time-machine-alex.jpg)

(https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/rush/images/tourbooks/time-machine-neil.jpg)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 28, 2012, 09:24:16 AM
Love the Alex as Snookie. :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on April 28, 2012, 10:35:26 AM
I don't get these pictures.  ???
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 28, 2012, 12:52:53 PM
Where did those pictures come from,   are they official?

   cause they are funny as hell.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on April 28, 2012, 01:22:54 PM
I don't get these pictures.  ???

It's from the last tourbook folks.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 28, 2012, 01:59:35 PM
I don't get these pictures.  ???

It's from the last tourbook folks.

   Looks like I'm buying tourbooks from now on.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: showdonttell on April 29, 2012, 10:48:00 AM
And, to me, this is a MAJOR reason why i am so disappointed by Headlong Flight.  To me it sounds like devolution, rather than moving forward. 



One thing about this - it may very well be that my brain is just too small to hear the evolution.  I exchanged some emails with someone over at RIAB a few days ago.  What he had to say was very interesting:


"What I was referring to is Rush's use of the tritone (an augmented fourth interval) in these songs.  In modern music, this interval is thought to have been first popularized by Wagner in the famous Tristan and Isolde chord.  You can hear this in the recent movie "Meloncholia," which often repeats the section from "Tristan" that uses this chord.  In the Middle Ages, the augmented fourth was thought to be a particularly discordant interval, inasmuch as it did not sound consonant with the usual diatonic scale.  If you are not familiar with this interval, you can hear it in West Side Story: the augmented fourth is sung in "Mari-ia", between the a- and the -ri."  The augmented fourth is thought to be the gateway to a 12-tone scale, wherein a song might use not only the notes in a major or minor scale, but all 12 notes in an octave (between a C and a C an octave higher on a piano keyboard).

What I was saying about Good News First, and part of the chorus of Headlong Flight, is that Rush is playing off this augmented fourth.  I was playing around with the idea that they, like Bach and Mozart, could be leaning toward the use of a 12 tone scale in rock music, which would be really exciting.  It was just a thought, and I threw it out there to see if anyone else might agree or disprove my conjecture.  I hope that this makes sense, and that you are enjoying the new Rush music!"

Interesting. Though Rush has used the tritone before (like in "Chain Lightning").

To me, it's hard to tell if they have really changed their sound on this record, judging from one song (three, if you count "Caravan" and "BU2B"). It seems that, from these ears, they did make a step from Snakes & Arrows. It is different. We have to remember, though, that the sound that they have is probably an attempt to reference their past records and past styles, with Clockwork Angels' main theme being time. "Headlong Flight" has an almost direct reference to "Bastille Day" in it. Just a thought.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on May 01, 2012, 04:59:08 PM
I'm sure that many Rushies already know about the following, but i am posting it for those who don't:

https://www.rushradio.org/content.php?pagename=Listen

Rush Radio - streaming online since 1998.  It's great - i listen all the time.  Great contrast between old and new.  Just heard Bastille Day followed by Emotion Detector.   Earlier it was Alien Shore followed by Hemispheres. 

Really great resource for Rushies.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: SystematicThought on May 01, 2012, 05:02:49 PM
I just put Caress of Steel on the turntable and I just gotta say: Lakeside Park is one of my favorite Rush tunes. I love the tone and lyrics of song and the way it plays. Excellent song and I feel like I may be in the minority here
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 01, 2012, 06:08:58 PM
^^ InB4 Necromancer is the greatest song ever.

oh btw, Necromancer is the greatest song ever.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on May 01, 2012, 11:56:08 PM
"The Necromancer" is definitely a top 10, if not a top 5, Rush song for me.  And it's like the birthplace of progressive metal.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on May 02, 2012, 12:01:37 AM
^^ InB4 Necromancer is the greatest song ever.

oh btw, Necromancer is the greatest song ever.
Actually, you weren't inb4 "necromancer is the greatest song ever".
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on May 06, 2012, 10:24:03 PM
I'm sure that many Rushies already know about the following, but i am posting it for those who don't:

https://www.rushradio.org/content.php?pagename=Listen

Rush Radio - streaming online since 1998.  It's great - i listen all the time.  Great contrast between old and new.  Just heard Bastille Day followed by Emotion Detector.   Earlier it was Alien Shore followed by Hemispheres. 

Really great resource for Rushies.


I listen to this a few times a month for the randomness of it jus to mix things up. (I always play albums all of the way through.)

They also swap a few popular bootlegs in and out at random too to keep things a little fresher. I wish they'd add random period interview clips in there too, but I guess you can't have everything. (Where would you put it?)


Been on a Vapor Trails kick lately. Ten years on and still kicking my ass. It's lost none of the immediacy from when I first heard it and it's as raw as ever.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: cyberdrummer on May 07, 2012, 08:39:06 AM
Track-by-track review: https://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/rush-clockwork-angels-full-album-reviewed-track-by-track-542931
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nekov on May 07, 2012, 09:02:01 AM
I read the review for 4 tracks and I had to stop. I want to listen to this album so bad right now.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 07, 2012, 09:35:54 AM
Preconceived notions always cause trouble for me, so I'm just gonna hold off on reading that review.

   I did look at Caravan and BU2B for the hell of it and by the way they described it, I pictured completely different songs. 


and on a side note, I wouldn't mind if they did some snippets.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 07, 2012, 09:50:58 AM
I skimmed some of those songs reviews, but don't want too much spoiled, so I stopped.

On to the tour, if we can assume about 25 songs again, I think the following is a pretty good guess:

7-8 songs from the new album
5-7 "must play" classics - Tom Sawyer, 2112, The Spirit of Radio, Limelight, YYZ and maybe both Closer to the Heart and Freewill stay around as well
2-3 surprises that are hard to predict
maybe 2-3 from Signals since it is its 30th anniversary - Subdivision, The Analog Kid and maybe New World Man
2 songs from S&A - Far Cry and maybe MalNar comes back
I think they'll bring back one of the first three songs from Roll the Bones
Xanadu comes back
1-2 songs from P/G, PoW and HYF - maybe The Big Money or Force Ten returns, or maybe one of the 2-3 surprises from above is something rare or obscure like Open Secrets, Middletown Dreams or The Enemy Within
Maybe something from Presto or Counterparts - I could see The Pass or Animate coming back for a tour

And I'd love to see them play 2112 and a 2012 medley back to back, the medley being similar to the R30 Overture where they play a bunch of instrumental bits from really old songs that they don't play anymore cause they are too hard for Geddy to sing.  Bust out a 10-minute medley of bits from Bastille Day, A Farewell to Kings, What You're Doing, and maybe even a tease of The Necromancer, and the old time fans would go bonkers.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on May 07, 2012, 10:09:46 AM
The Pass NEEDS to come back.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 07, 2012, 10:18:49 AM
I could see this being a realistic set list:

2112 (I and II)
2012 Medley
Headlong Flight
New World Man
Middletown Dreams
The Pass
Bravado
CA song
CA song
Limelight
Freewill

Caravan
BU2B
The Analog Kid
The Enemy Within
CA song
CA song
Closer to the Heart
MalNar
Drum Solo
Xanadu
The Spirit of Radio
Tom Sawyer

Far Cry
Subdivisions
YYZ
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on May 07, 2012, 10:20:54 AM
I'm telling you, if it's ever going to happen again this will be the tour that 2112 gets played in full one last time.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 07, 2012, 10:22:09 AM
True, but I just don't think Geddy's voice can handle the strain of singing all of that song every night anymore. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jingle.boy on May 07, 2012, 10:23:44 AM
I could easily pass on The Pass.  Give me War Paint, Anagram, even Chain Lightning before The Pass.

Good setlist Kev... but it just seems like Deja Vu.  I'd love to see some songs not done much in the last 10 years... gimee Cygnus (yes, I know the vocals are tough), give me some part of Hemisphere's, Where's My Thing, Jacob's Ladder, Beneath, Between & Behind ... time to mix it up a bit more.

Prolly not gonna happen tho.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 07, 2012, 10:31:17 AM
Well, they seem to give us a few songs a tour now that have either never been played or haven't been played in a while (not counting new songs at the time):

VT tour: New World Man, Between Sun and Moon, Vital Signs, By-Tor and the Snow Dog, half of Cygnus X-1 (as opposed to just a tease at the end of YYZ) and Working Man
R30 tour: Between the Wheels, Mystic Rhythms and Xanadu
S&A tour: Digital Man, Entre Nous, Mission, Circumstances, Ghost of a Chance, Witch Hunt and A Passage to Bangkok
TM tour: Time Stand Still, Presto, Stick It Out, Faithless, Marathon and The Camera Eye

So, I think the odds are good that we see 3-4 songs that have either never been played or haven't been played in at least 10 years.  The set list I posted has 6 such songs, although 3 of them were played on the VT tour 10 years ago. 

With any luck, they decided to not play Jacob's Ladder last time out since they were saving it for the next tour. :)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on May 07, 2012, 10:53:43 AM
Unfortunately Alex has since commented that they rehearsed the song but just weren't feeling it and went with other stuff instead. That doesn't mean that it won't get played, but they weren't simply saving it sadly.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 07, 2012, 11:00:53 AM
I guess the songs I would be happiest to see live would be:

1. The Necromancer
2. Losing it
3. Middletown Dreams
4. Ghost of a Chance
5. Anthem

   Just seeing one of those would make me a happy camper.

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 07, 2012, 12:02:15 PM
Unfortunately Alex has since commented that they rehearsed the song but just weren't feeling it and went with other stuff instead. That doesn't mean that it won't get played, but they weren't simply saving it sadly.

I hadn't heard him say that, but it is possible that they didn't want to do that and The Camera Eye on the same tour, since both are longer (for them, since they hadn't done a song 7 minutes or longer since 1981 until this year) and both have a lot of mellow parts.  They might not want to have dedicated two spots in the show to longer tracks that don't rock enough.  This is all me speculating, of course. :lol

I guess the songs I would be happiest to see live would be:

1. The Necromancer
2. Losing it
3. Middletown Dreams
4. Ghost of a Chance
5. Anthem

   Just seeing one of those would make me a happy camper.

I think Middletown Dreams is by far the most likely of those five to get played this year.  Neither Anthem nor The Necromancer have a shot in hell (unless they played a part of each in an instrumental medley, like I mentioned earlier), Losing It would be too hard to play since a violin is not only featured prominently, but plays the solo, and Ghost of a Chance got played on the 2nd leg of the S&A tour, and if they are going play something from Roll the Bones again, I suspect it would one of the others they have played before.  Middletown Dreams was rumored to have been talked about in rehearsals on several of the past few tours, so it sounds like a song they have considered, thus giving it a chance.  I'd love to see it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on May 07, 2012, 12:22:08 PM
Very little that I havn't seen that I actually want to see. And what IS on the list doesn't have a chance, so I'm just happy with what I get.

But if I'm pipe dreaming anyway...

All of Cygnus.
The Necromancer
Xanadu (complete and uncut)
Jacob's Ladder
What You're Doing
The complete Fear suite.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on May 07, 2012, 12:23:09 PM
Kev, unfortunately I don't remember WHERE it was said, but what I said is the reason Alex gave, the band just wasn't feeling the song.

Edit: Trying like hell to find it but no luck so far. It was in a fairly recent interview, after the tour had been finished, and I think it was in some mag you wouldn't expect.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Big Hath on May 07, 2012, 12:54:00 PM
I think it was in some mag you wouldn't expect.

Cat Fancy?
Good Houskeeping?
Cosmo?

Actually, I wouldn't put it past Alex to have an interview with any of those.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on May 07, 2012, 12:55:57 PM
I think it was in some mag you wouldn't expect.

Cat Fancy?
Are you kidding? The cat-owning community has been upset with Rush since Signals. Have you seen that cover?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Big Hath on May 07, 2012, 01:06:02 PM
oof

Also, By-tor and the Snow Dog


edit to add Dog Years (even though I'm not sure I should)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on May 07, 2012, 01:11:34 PM
Well if playing all (or nearly all) of "2112" is in the realm of possibilities, what if the band A/B'd both "2112" and "Hemispheres" (down-tuned of course)? Possibly at the end of the 1st set or in the middle of the 2nd set?

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on May 07, 2012, 01:49:53 PM
2112 has a LOT more mainstream exposure, and that even includes the full song now that it was in Guitar Hero and gets played in full on satellite radio. We also just had the 2112 event with a bunch of ground radio playing it in full. There is a lot of pull for 2112 to get played again. And while hardcore fans want Hemispheres just as bad, there simply isn't the pull to get a long tough song like that played as there is with 2112.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on May 07, 2012, 03:26:40 PM
2112 has a LOT more mainstream exposure, and that even includes the full song now that it was in Guitar Hero and gets played in full on satellite radio. We also just had the 2112 event with a bunch of ground radio playing it in full. There is a lot of pull for 2112 to get played again. And while hardcore fans want Hemispheres just as bad, there simply isn't the pull to get a long tough song like that played as there is with 2112.

Point taken, but I can totally see the band only playing most of it, like they did in the 70's, and not ALL of it, but I guess we'll have to wait and see. I wonder if it will still be in the same key it was when it was played back in 15 years ago...

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Hyperplex on May 07, 2012, 03:27:01 PM
Gonna make a new thread for this, because it's Rush goddamnit, but I'll post this here, too:

https://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/rush-clockwork-angels-full-album-reviewed-track-by-track-542931
Title: Rush - Clockwork Angels reviewed track by track
Post by: Hyperplex on May 07, 2012, 03:28:00 PM
For anyone who is interested. I can't fucking wait.

https://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/rush-clockwork-angels-full-album-reviewed-track-by-track-542931
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: cyberdrummer on May 07, 2012, 03:45:31 PM
Already posted on the previous page.  ;)
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=16371.msg1281884#msg1281884
Title: Re: Rush - Clockwork Angels reviewed track by track
Post by: cyberdrummer on May 07, 2012, 03:46:06 PM
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=16371.msg1281884#msg1281884
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: krands85 on May 07, 2012, 04:24:08 PM
Hi guys. Probably been asked dozens of times, but what Rush albums would you recommend for a newcomer to the band who is obsessed with Dream Theater?  :lol
 
Favourite DT albums:
1. Images and Words
2. Train of Thought
3. A Dramatic Turn of Events
4-6. - Octavarium/Scenes/Awake
 
Cheers
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on May 07, 2012, 04:27:04 PM
Although not my favorite albums, Moving Pictures and then Permanent Waves are the clear choice for a new Rush fan. They are well loved by most Rush fans and are very accessible for new fans. After that I'd either move into the two albums before, or Signals and Power Windows depending on which you think would be more in tune with his tastes.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on May 07, 2012, 04:28:27 PM
Train of Thought is in my top 2 for DT as well.

I'd listen to Nick - PW and MP are the places to start.

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: krands85 on May 07, 2012, 05:41:52 PM
 :tup  Thanks guys.
 
Been meaning to try and get into them for a while. I watched 'I Love You, Man' last night, where they are referenced quite a lot and that has convinced me to finally try them out properly  ;D
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mosh on May 07, 2012, 08:15:55 PM
I would love to see Animate live!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on May 08, 2012, 09:15:35 AM
AH. It was Neil, not Alex.

https://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=164346
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 08, 2012, 09:22:42 AM
Hmmmm, well, that is disappointing, but I'd rather they play songs they are feeling and excited about than songs the fans want to hear that they are bored with and going through the motions during.  It's just too bad that Jacob's Ladder became the latter instead of the former.  :(
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on May 08, 2012, 09:37:20 AM
Hmmmm, well, that is disappointing, but I'd rather they play songs they are feeling and excited about than songs the fans want to hear that they are bored with and going through the motions during.  It's just too bad that Jacob's Ladder became the latter instead of the former.  :(

Exactly. I'm not going to be too picky about which old songs get brought back as long as we see 4-5 songs that haven't been played live in a long time.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on May 08, 2012, 04:51:50 PM
I'd like 7-8
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on May 08, 2012, 04:55:06 PM
And I'd like 10-15, but I'm forcing myself to be realistic in order to minimize my disappointment.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 08, 2012, 11:08:12 PM
https://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/producer-nick-raskulinecz-talks-rushs-clockwork-angels-543113

I am officially beyond excited. :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on May 08, 2012, 11:23:52 PM
Finally. Confirmation that this is a concept record. For better or worse I'm glad Rush are attempting it, and based off of some of Nick's comments and the songs already available I'm super excited.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on May 09, 2012, 07:34:10 AM
Man that interview got me all jacked and pumped.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on May 09, 2012, 04:03:59 PM
Rush with South Park co-creator Matt Stone.


(https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/546066_10150764856557062_53385812061_9731468_2143318954_n.jpg)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on May 09, 2012, 04:05:24 PM
So much joint win...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on May 09, 2012, 04:08:26 PM
Has Alex lost weight? Or is the suit compressing his fatness?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on May 09, 2012, 04:32:44 PM
So much joint win...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 09, 2012, 04:35:31 PM
Has Alex lost weight? Or is the suit compressing his fatness?

He looks like his usual pudgy self in the other two pictures from that event (which I mean in the nicest way possible :lol), so that it is probably just a flattering camera angle in the one posted here. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on May 10, 2012, 11:03:29 PM
Rush with South Park co-creator Matt Stone.


(https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/546066_10150764856557062_53385812061_9731468_2143318954_n.jpg)



Nice suits!

And cool to see Pete Townshed in the background on the far left.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on May 11, 2012, 07:15:43 AM
Wilderness of mirrors
So easy to deceive
My precious sense of rightness
Is sometimes so naive
So that which I imagine
Is that which I believe
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on May 12, 2012, 05:34:38 PM
This is what it's all about:


https://www.nfb.ca/film/inner_rush/?ec=en20120509
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 12, 2012, 05:35:57 PM
This is what it's all about:


https://www.nfb.ca/film/inner_rush/?ec=en20120509

That was very cool.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mosh on May 13, 2012, 11:11:20 PM
Question about the tour, some shows on ticketmaster are listed as Evening Withs, but some are not, are they all Evening With shows? Or only the ones listed?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on May 14, 2012, 07:30:34 PM
Wilderness of mirrors
Streets of cold desire
My precious sense of honor
Just a shield of rusty wire
I hold against the chaos
And the cross of holy fire
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Shadow2222 on May 18, 2012, 08:38:58 PM
Question about the tour, some shows on ticketmaster are listed as Evening Withs, but some are not, are they all Evening With shows? Or only the ones listed?

I'm not the hugest Rush fan, but I don't believe they've had an opening band for over a decade, so I have to imagine that they are all Evening Withs. You might want to wait for someone else to chime in, though...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on May 18, 2012, 09:17:22 PM
Question about the tour, some shows on ticketmaster are listed as Evening Withs, but some are not, are they all Evening With shows? Or only the ones listed?

I'm not the hugest Rush fan, but I don't believe they've had an opening band for over a decade, so I have to imagine that they are all Evening Withs. You might want to wait for someone else to chime in, though...
I would be shocked if there were any shows that weren't Evening-Withs.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TempusVox on May 18, 2012, 10:41:01 PM
There are no opening acts during this rodeo.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 18, 2012, 11:45:47 PM
Awesome article on Rush in the latest issue of Classic Rock, which can be read here:

https://cygnus-x1.net/links/rush/classic-rock-07.2012.php

My favorite quote:

Quote
in Alex's words, they're going to make records until they die.

 :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mosh on May 19, 2012, 10:05:03 AM
Thanks for the responses. Excited to see Rush for the first time!  :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on May 19, 2012, 04:06:19 PM
Awesome article on Rush in the latest issue of Classic Rock, which can be read here:

https://cygnus-x1.net/links/rush/classic-rock-07.2012.php

My favorite quote:

Quote
in Alex's words, they're going to make records until they die.

 :metal :metal


Great article. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on May 19, 2012, 06:46:15 PM
Everyone keeps calling this "their 20th studio album"...Are people counting "Feedback"?  Cause I wouldn't.   ???
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 19, 2012, 06:47:57 PM
Everyone keeps calling this "their 20th studio album"...Are people counting "Feedback"?  Cause I wouldn't.   ???

  I wouldn't either.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on May 19, 2012, 07:42:38 PM
Everyone keeps calling this "their 20th studio album"...Are people counting "Feedback"?  Cause I wouldn't.   ???

  I wouldn't either.

No way jack.....Clockwork Angels is #19
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on May 19, 2012, 08:09:53 PM
I guess they didn't record Feedback in a studio then. :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on May 19, 2012, 08:44:03 PM
I guess they didn't record Feedback in a studio then. :lol

 :rollin

What if we all just call Feedback a Studio EP? Although the Wikipedia definition of an "album" states an album is a recording over 25 minutes, otherwise it's an EP, and Feedback is just over 27 minutes long  :lol

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: splent on May 19, 2012, 08:47:25 PM
PRAYING to see them in Chicago this year.... it's a matter of $$
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on May 19, 2012, 11:16:43 PM
Generally speaking, I always consider cover albums to be official studio albums. Feedback is no exception.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on May 19, 2012, 11:24:50 PM
Generally speaking, I always consider cover albums to be official studio albums. Feedback is no exception.

I wouldn't...but even if I did, I would side with those who say it is more of an "EP" than an "album"...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 19, 2012, 11:32:18 PM
It's a studio cover album, not an EP.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on May 20, 2012, 12:22:04 AM
PRAYING to see them in Chicago this year.... it's a matter of $$

Ditto. Also hoping to get a group going and get a party bus lol.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on May 20, 2012, 07:40:08 PM
By Wikipedia's definition, A Change of Seasons and Nil Recurring are albums. I think it's largely up to the artist, and what they consider it to be.

To me, 'Studio Album' implies that it's mostly or entirely original material. A cover album, even if it's recorded in a studio, isn't a 'studio album' in that sense. Yes, technically it is, but when most people refer to a studio album, they're talking about original music by that band or artist.

Even if Feedback isn't counted as an EP (which it is), Clockwork Angels is Rush's 19th album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on May 20, 2012, 07:53:08 PM
Feedback isn't a studio album. Anyone who says studio album is pretty much always talking about original major releases by a band. I make no exception for Rush, and the only reason the band or media outlets are pushing it as the 20th studio album is because 20th sounds better than 19th.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 20, 2012, 07:58:32 PM
Feedback isn't a studio album. Anyone who says studio album is pretty much always talking about original major releases by a band. I make no exception for Rush, and the only reason the band or media outlets is pushing it as the 20th studio album is because 20th sounds better than 19th.

   So true.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on May 20, 2012, 08:35:41 PM
Yeah, 20th sounds cooler than 19th, but that's such a stupid reason.  Especially since Rush have said that they'll record until they die, or something like that.  The one after this will be the 20th album, legit, so are they gonna call that the 21st album?  They'll be "off by one" from now on.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: wolfking on May 20, 2012, 08:37:05 PM
Yeah, 20th sounds cooler than 19th, but that's such a stupid reason.  Especially since Rush have said that they'll record until they die, or something like that.  The one after this will be the 20th album, legit, so are they gonna call that the 21st album?  They'll be "off by one" from now on.

I don't think many people besides the hardcore fans will know or even really care.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on May 20, 2012, 08:45:18 PM
And besides, 20th sounds better than 21st, so I wouldn't be too shocked if things fix themselves next time around.

And if not it'll be 5 years now and no one will ever remember I was wrong on this one. :p
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: wolfking on May 20, 2012, 09:31:46 PM
Exactly, no one will remember in 5 years time when the next studio album comes what the press release said for the previous album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on May 20, 2012, 09:59:23 PM
Exactly, no one will remember in 5 years time when the next studio album comes what the press release said for the previous album.

True, but the internet is forever. And once ONE person remembers it, they'll post a link, and then others will post that link, and soon the whole internet will remember...

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: wolfking on May 20, 2012, 10:04:53 PM
Exactly, no one will remember in 5 years time when the next studio album comes what the press release said for the previous album.

True, but the internet is forever. And once ONE person remembers it, they'll post a link, and then others will post that link, and soon the whole internet will remember...

-Marc.

(https://weckyboy.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/raisins_face.jpg?w=300&h=179)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on May 20, 2012, 10:11:34 PM
In addition - press releases, reviews, articles, interviews, blogs, vlogs, and clogs from 5 years ago still exist online from the release of Snakes & Arrows, like this one:
https://brucejemcc.blogspot.com/2007/03/new-album-from-rush-snakes-and-arrows.html

...where the writer states "On May 1st, Rush releases their 19th album and it's called Snakes & Arrows".

So...there's that.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: wolfking on May 20, 2012, 10:13:00 PM
In addition - press releases, reviews, articles, interviews, blogs, vlogs, and clogs from 5 years ago still exist online from the release of Snakes & Arrows, like this one:
https://brucejemcc.blogspot.com/2007/03/new-album-from-rush-snakes-and-arrows.html

...where the writer states "On May 1st, Rush releases their 19th album and it's called Snakes & Arrows".

So...there's that.

-Marc.


(https://weckyboy.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/raisins_face.jpg?w=300&h=179)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 20, 2012, 10:30:56 PM
Vote now!

https://www.rushpetition.com/
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on May 20, 2012, 11:04:06 PM
Voted:

Jacob's Ladder
Kid Gloves
Middletown Dreams
Cut To The Chase
Everyday Glory
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 20, 2012, 11:25:41 PM
Not wanting to waste my votes on songs that don't have a prayer of being played, like The Necromancer and Hemispheres, I voted for:

Middletown Dreams
Open Secrets
Manhattan Project
The Enemy Within
Jacob's Ladder
 
And I remember it being said a few years back that the band does look at that site and take into it consideration - I believe New World Man was played on the VT tour because it was in the top 10 that year among voters - so this is not necessarily all for naught!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on May 20, 2012, 11:54:40 PM
Here's the setlist I wrote that I'd like to see for the CA tour, and I think it's pretty realistic:


Freewill
Workin' Them Angels
Xanadu
Seven Cities Of Gold
Headlong Flight
The Pass
YYZ
Manhattan Project
Prime Mover
Closer To The Heart
Dreamline


Caravan
BU2B
Clockwork Angels
The Anarchist
Carnies
Subdivisions
Limelight
La Villa Strangiato
Middletown Dreams
Halo Effect
Drum Solo
Tom Sawyer
Distant Early Warning
Far Cry
The Spirit Of Radio

Encore:
2112 (full song)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on May 20, 2012, 11:56:19 PM
In b4 Kev takes exception to large amount of new material to start the 2nd set.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on May 21, 2012, 12:07:19 AM
I'll hold off on the setlist-creation until I hear the new material.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 21, 2012, 12:12:02 AM
The selection of songs looks damn good, and while I hope they don't do it, a run of new songs in the 2nd set like that wouldn't surprise me.  But my only beef with that set list is the weird placement for some of the songs.

Xanadu played 3rd in the first set?

2112 as the entire encore (when Geddy's voice will already be worn down from singing for over two hours)?

La Villa Strangianto in the middle of the set?

But like I said, I like the picks; I'd love to see Prime Mover and the Pass come back!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on May 21, 2012, 12:31:52 AM
Damn near impossible, but I went with these:


Available Light
Everyday Glory
Totem
Peaceable Kingdom
Vapor Trail
 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on May 21, 2012, 12:57:59 AM
Voted:

Hemispheres
Jacob's Ladder
Territories
Available Light
Freeze
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on May 21, 2012, 12:59:33 AM
The Twilight Zone
A Farewell To Kings
Different Strings
Afterimage
Manhattan Project
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on May 21, 2012, 01:46:00 AM
Jacob's ladder (the obvious choice, duh!)
Middletown dreams
Peaceable Kingdom
Hand Over Fist
Tears

Some of these just didn't get the love they deserve...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on May 21, 2012, 02:05:50 AM
Hemispheres
Grand Designs
Manhattan Project
Prime Mover
Alien Shore
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on May 21, 2012, 03:42:32 AM
Hopeless or not I voted

Necromancer
Fountains
Losing It
Middletown
Jacob's Ladder

In the results so far, who on earth is voting for FBN ahead of all those awesome songs?
If I had 10 votes it wouldn't have been enough for all the songs I want to see.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on May 21, 2012, 04:46:03 AM
They're coming to Sweden Rock Festival next year! :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on May 21, 2012, 04:51:40 AM
Hemispheres
A Farewell to Kings
Available Light
Chain Lightning
Middletown Dreams
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jingle.boy on May 21, 2012, 05:21:10 AM
In The Mood
Jacob's Ladder
War Paint
Cut To The Chase
Freeze
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 21, 2012, 07:10:04 AM
I went with:

The Necromancer
Different Strings (that would be hot to do after the Drum Solo, Acoustic resist style)
Losing it
After Image
Middletown Dreams

No anthem   :sadpanda:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on May 21, 2012, 07:17:27 AM
Voted.  First three are plausible.  Last two probably aren't as much.  First three are ranked by preference:

Manhattan Project
Turn the Page
Middletown Dreams
Bravest Face
A Farewell to Kings

EDIT: looking at the results so far.  No surprise that Jacob's Ladder and Hemispheres are the top two, but Hemispheres is the longest of long shots.  I'm happy to see love for Middletown Dreams, A Farewell to Kings, The Weapon, The Enemy Within, and Manhattan Project though.  Its cool to see the deep cut tracks that Rush fans want to see live.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on May 21, 2012, 08:21:55 AM
In addition - press releases, reviews, articles, interviews, blogs, vlogs, and clogs from 5 years ago still exist online from the release of Snakes & Arrows, like this one:
https://brucejemcc.blogspot.com/2007/03/new-album-from-rush-snakes-and-arrows.html

...where the writer states "On May 1st, Rush releases their 19th album and it's called Snakes & Arrows".

So...there's that.

-Marc.

So there you go.  We're already off by one, and apparently have been for a while.  And I'm not even a hardcore Rush fan; I'm just anal.

Unless of course people would just accept that Feedback was a studio album.  Maybe not in their somewhat narrower definition, but it was an album and it was recorded in the studio, so split hairs if you want, but obviously some people count it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on May 21, 2012, 09:08:09 AM
And those people are wrong. :p
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 21, 2012, 11:54:31 PM
New interview with Alex:

https://www.metalexpressradio.com/menu.php?main=interviews&id=991

 :hat
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on May 22, 2012, 12:14:21 AM
New interview with Alex:

https://www.metalexpressradio.com/menu.php?main=interviews&id=991

 :hat

Good interview! And for those who don't read it, here's a big question many fans have wondered:

Quote
Have you recorded Clockwork Angels in surround sound for later release?
No we didn`t.

Guess no 5.1 this time around. At least there's vinyl!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on May 22, 2012, 03:23:16 AM
I think the most important part of the interview is where Alex mentions "the next album".
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 22, 2012, 03:43:39 AM
"We`ve been throwing about set lists for the last couple of weeks and the length of the set is creeping up to over 4 hours so we`ll have to reign it in and fine tune it"

   I could definitely get down with a 4 hour show, but even after they reign it in, it will be killer.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on May 22, 2012, 05:25:39 AM
I say this every time an album and tour start but I'm still like a teenager whenever Rush news comes out.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 22, 2012, 07:46:47 AM
You and me both, man; you and me both. :) :) :)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on May 22, 2012, 07:58:57 AM
June and September can't come fast enough, that's for sure.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 22, 2012, 12:11:16 PM
Listening to AFTK right now and I just want to say, hot damn I forgot how much I love Xanadu  :heart
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on May 22, 2012, 12:20:02 PM
Listening to AFTK right now and I just want to say, hot damn I forgot how much I love Xanadu  :heart

:heart
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on May 22, 2012, 12:29:31 PM
So, when is this Clockwork angels thing gonna be released?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Big Hath on May 22, 2012, 12:31:08 PM
Listening to AFTK right now and I just want to say, hot damn I forgot how much I love Xanadu  :heart

such a great intro
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on May 22, 2012, 12:31:37 PM
So, when is this Clockwork angels thing gonna be released?

June 12th
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 22, 2012, 12:59:15 PM
I'll say this: if Alex was correct and Rush do bust out a few tunes they have never played before (not counting new songs), as well as songs they haven't played in a long time, I hope they dig deep into the 80s synth era albums.  Consider that since 1991, they have only played:

4 songs from Signals
3 songs from Grace Under Pressure
3 songs from Power Windows
3 songs from Hold Your Fire

Plenty of great songs from all of those albums that haven't seen the light of day in forever, if ever.  The fact that Between the Wheels, Mission and Marathon were all resurrected on the last three tours gives me great hope that another deep cut from one of those albums will be played this, or maybe even two. :)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on May 22, 2012, 01:00:40 PM
Yeah, as far as never before or little before played stuff the Synth era albums are the obvious place to go. I'd love to hear Lock and Key and Manhattan Project or Middletown or Territories this time around.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 22, 2012, 01:02:46 PM
I get definitely can get down with a Syth-era heavy setlist. A show of hands is one of my favorite things ever.

    Just give me Losing it, pretty please. (and mystic rhythms)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on May 22, 2012, 01:14:26 PM
Yeah, as far as never before or little before played stuff the Synth era albums are the obvious place to go. I'd love to hear Lock and Key and Manhattan Project or Middletown or Territories this time around.

Seen it, seen it, seen it. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 22, 2012, 01:17:51 PM
I love Mystic Rhythms, but the R30 version came up on random play the other day, and I was a little surprised by how uninspired it sounded, so I think might be one of those tunes that simply doesn't translate that well live.  I don't remember being disappointed with it when I saw it on the CP and R30 tours, but I don't remember it blowing me away either.  I'd much rather than dig deeper for a PoW cut that hasn't been played since the 80s - Manhattan Project, Territories or Middletown Dreams, please. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 22, 2012, 01:23:39 PM
I love Mystic Rhythms, but the R30 version came up on random play the other day, and I was a little surprised by how uninspired it sounded, so I think might be one of those tunes that simply doesn't translate that well live.  I don't remember being disappointed with it when I saw it on the CP and R30 tours, but I don't remember it blowing me away either.  I'd much rather than dig deeper for a PoW cut that hasn't been played since the 80s - Manhattan Project, Territories or Middletown Dreams, please. :biggrin:

   This please. I love me some Middletown Dreams.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on May 22, 2012, 01:25:07 PM
I just wanna hear Manhattan Project, Grand Designs, Prime Mover, The Pass, and even though they play it all the time, Dreamline. It's kind of a new discovery for me and it's one of my top favorite Rush tunes.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ultimetalhead on May 22, 2012, 01:36:54 PM
I just want to hear the new album.  :sadpanda:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on May 22, 2012, 03:44:19 PM
Yeah, as far as never before or little before played stuff the Synth era albums are the obvious place to go. I'd love to hear Lock and Key and Manhattan Project or Middletown or Territories this time around.

I'll jump on that sentiment.  Synthy Rush rules.  Lock and Key would be FANTASTIC.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on May 22, 2012, 06:31:36 PM
Problem. I just hooked up a new receiver and sub, and one of the first things I played on it was Power Windows.

The problem is I can't tell if it sounds better than before, or I was just slightly underremembering how glorious that album is.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 22, 2012, 06:53:26 PM
Sometimes I like to pretend that I already have Clockwork Angels, except that I let my friend borrow the CD and he scratched it up so now only 3 tracks play.  (3 kickass tracks if I do say so myself)

    Delusions like this help make the excruciating wait bearable.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 22, 2012, 10:02:33 PM
Twilight Zone and Red Sector A are really the songs I hope to see someday.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on May 22, 2012, 10:29:33 PM
RS'A' got played to death since GUP, I hope it stays retired.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 23, 2012, 12:01:04 AM
Red Sector A is so awesome live, though.  I am fine with them playing that as often as possible.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on May 23, 2012, 09:35:13 AM
I wonder when we'll get the 30 second to minute bits of each new song so I can froth at the mouth till the albums comes out.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 23, 2012, 10:38:19 AM
I wonder when we'll get the 30 second to minute bits of each new song so I can froth at the mouth till the albums comes out.

   Yeah, seriously. I'm ready for some snippets.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on May 23, 2012, 12:50:49 PM
Red Sector A is so awesome live, though.  I am fine with them playing that as often as possible.

I have yet to see RSA live but based on Rush in Rio it sounds amazing and I really want to hear it.  Best rock march song ever.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 23, 2012, 12:58:11 PM
Red Sector A is so awesome live, though.  I am fine with them playing that as often as possible.

I have yet to see RSA live but based on Rush in Rio it sounds amazing and I really want to hear it.  Best rock march song ever.

I prefer a lot of Rush songs live compared to the studio versions. This and Tom Sawyer are two examples, hell all Rush songs are better.live.

It's the same with Fleetwood Mac.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on May 23, 2012, 01:08:06 PM
I'm with you almost 50% on that.  There are a lot of Rush songs, especially later ones, that didn't particularly grab me until I saw them live.  But there are still some which really make use of studio magic and IMO don't translate well live.

Fleetwood Mac is the opposite for me.  I find the looseness of their live performance and the little things they do differently generally distracting, and find myself wishing they'd stick more to the original versions.  They don't have to do carbon copies of the originals, but something closer would be preferable.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 23, 2012, 05:17:10 PM
There are definitely some Rush songs that do not sound as good live (Mystic Rhythms, Armor and Sword, Nobody's Hero, etc.), but they generally do a great job of making most of the songs they play live sound as good or even better than the studio originals. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Pols Voice on May 23, 2012, 07:26:28 PM
When I saw them play Mystic Rhythms live, I felt like some of the audience was losing interest, but I loved it. It's a great change of pace from all the more rockin tracks.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on May 23, 2012, 07:35:03 PM
I thought MR was fantastic live, and have always thought RS'A' was somewhat dull live.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 23, 2012, 07:43:46 PM
I have always thought RS'A' was somewhat dull live.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v394/kevshmev/Dude.jpg)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 23, 2012, 07:44:00 PM
I'm so jealous that you guys saw Mystic Rhythms.

     and I just re-looked at the time machine tour Setlist and totally forgot I saw half of those songs, like Marathon for instance.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 23, 2012, 07:50:07 PM
I loved finally getting to see Marathon, but having watched the bulk of the Time Machine DVD again recently, I hate the way Geddy sang the line, "Something always fires the light that gets in your eyes."  The way he sang "eyes" was hard to listen to.  It reminded me of Bono trying to sing the "He sees the man inside the child" line from Mysterious Ways on the 360 tour...when guys get that old, they just can't hit some of those notes the way they used to, which I get, but certain lines like that can be a bit bothersome.  Them not doing the complete live original ending was a tad disappointing as well.  Don't get me wrong, I was still thrilled to finally see it in '10, but those factors and not getting the stage show for it like they did it back in the 80s (where was the laser guy??) just made it highly enjoyable instead of f'ing awesome. 

And I mean all of that in the nicest nit-picking way possible. :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on May 24, 2012, 05:10:39 AM
I realy loved how Rush in the 80's while playing Marathon flooded the crowd in a white light at the end of the songs.  It was a very cool moment for me at least.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zoom E on May 24, 2012, 10:55:45 PM
There's a full review of Clockwork Orange by Martin Popoff here: https://www.bravewords.com/news/184118

There's a preview of the song Headlong Flight below the review. Based upon one listen, it's...okay.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on May 24, 2012, 10:57:39 PM
Clockwork Orange
:lol

Also, Headlong Flight has been able for streaming/download for a couple weeks now.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 25, 2012, 07:27:34 AM
Alex discusses the new album track by track:

https://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/interview-alex-lifeson-talks-rushs-clockwork-angels-track-by-track-545614

My enthusiasm for this album is now sky high.  18 days!!!!! :) :) :)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zoom E on May 25, 2012, 08:57:38 PM
Clockwork Orange
:lol


I realized I'd typed the wrong name after I logged off.  I chuckled to myself.  :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on May 26, 2012, 10:51:18 AM
Alex discusses the new album track by track:

https://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/interview-alex-lifeson-talks-rushs-clockwork-angels-track-by-track-545614

My enthusiasm for this album is now sky high.  18 days!!!!! :) :) :)

That was great.  It's driving me nuts!!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jjrock88 on May 26, 2012, 02:35:17 PM
Does anybody know if there will be different editions (deluxe) of CA; or is there just the single disc version?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on May 26, 2012, 06:30:06 PM
Does anybody know if there will be different editions (deluxe) of CA; or is there just the single disc version?

The only deluxe I'm aware of, is the one I just ordered.  It comes with both the CD and the vinyl version.  $40 well spent.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jjrock88 on May 26, 2012, 09:15:16 PM
Does anybody know if there will be different editions (deluxe) of CA; or is there just the single disc version?

The only deluxe I'm aware of, is the one I just ordered.  It comes with both the CD and the vinyl version.  $40 well spent.

Copy, thanks.  Is your edition going to be delievered before or on June 12th?  Hopefully it will be. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on May 27, 2012, 12:47:07 AM
I'm not sure I got a guarantee on the arrival date.   But it did include an MP3 download on the 11th as well. (I believe that was the case...I may have to re-read the specials)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on May 28, 2012, 04:52:46 PM
So I just found out that, apparently, two songs on the album have sub-songs within/after them, as a track list has been revealed to show as such:

Caravan
BU2B
Clockwork Angels
i. - The Pedlar 1
The Anarchist
Carnies
Halo Effect
Seven Cities Of Gold
The Wreckers
Headlong Flight
ii. - The Pedlar 2
BU2B2
Wish Them Well
The Garden

https://thefreewheeler.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=music2&thread=3722&page=1\

There's also this:
Quote
In between "Clockwork Angels" and "The Anarchist" there was a title called "i - the pedlar 1", and also between "Headlong Flight" and "BU2B2" there was a title called "ii - the pedlar 2".

The meaning of these monikers should become more evident when the full lyrics become available, but for now, they seem something like a subtitle for "Clockwork Angels" and "Headlong Flight", as these two songs have some sort of connection between them.

So perhaps, the title track and "Headlong Flight" (the two longest songs on the album) have sub-songs as a part of them?

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on May 28, 2012, 05:13:46 PM
I understand this is kinda pointless as I've whittled it down and made it personal, but for shits and giggles, here are in chronological order the 10 songs I most want to see live that I never have and they at least have a reasonable chance at playing-

Jacob's Ladder
The Enemy Within
Territories
Middletown Dreams
Lock and Key
The Pass
Between Sun & Moon
Cold Fire
Test for Echo
Driven

My biggest fear is that they won't play The Pass, but will instead bring back Superconductor or Show Don't Tell, two of my least favorite Rush songs. I'm guessing that they'll scrap the Counterparts songs from last tour and replace them with something else from that era, so I feel good about one of my CP or T4E picks being played.

(for point of reference, I've seen them every leg since R30)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on May 28, 2012, 07:29:46 PM
I think they'll go back to some RtB

OMG THEY SHOULD PLAY THE BIG WHEEL
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on May 28, 2012, 07:48:51 PM
Problem with Roll the Bones is they've played the 4 songs I think they have any chance of playing. If they go back to it, it will be to one of 3 songs I've already heard plenty of times.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on May 28, 2012, 07:52:17 PM
I understand this is kinda pointless as I've whittled it down and made it personal, but for shits and giggles, here are in chronological order the 10 songs I most want to see live that I never have and they at least have a reasonable chance at playing-

Jacob's Ladder
The Enemy Within
Territories
Middletown Dreams
Lock and Key
The Pass
Between Sun & Moon
Cold Fire
Test for Echo
Driven


Well, only Jacob's Ladder is missing for me.  I'd love to see it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on May 28, 2012, 08:24:01 PM
Problem with Roll the Bones is they've played the 4 songs I think they have any chance of playing. If they go back to it, it will be to one of 3 songs I've already heard plenty of times.

It's not all about you Nick :P
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on May 28, 2012, 08:30:47 PM
Problem with Roll the Bones is they've played the 4 songs I think they have any chance of playing. If they go back to it, it will be to one of 3 songs I've already heard plenty of times.

It's not all about you Nick :P

When talking about the songs I want to hear, yes it is. :p
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 28, 2012, 08:35:37 PM
So I just found out that, apparently, two songs on the album have sub-songs within/after them, as a track list has been revealed to show as such...

I read about that a few weeks ago, but wasn't sure if it was true or not.  Guess we'll know in two weeks and a day. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mosh on May 28, 2012, 08:52:31 PM
I don't really care what they play given it will be my first time seeing them. However, I think Between Sun and Moon would be cool live.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on May 28, 2012, 09:20:45 PM
I don't really care what they play given it will be my first time seeing them. However, I think Between Sun and Moon would be cool live.


Yeah, I've always though it had a great live vibe to it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: SystematicThought on May 28, 2012, 09:25:47 PM
So is there a deluxe version of the album coming out or is there only the CD version and vinyl version?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on May 28, 2012, 09:29:12 PM
So is there a deluxe version of the album coming out or is there only the CD version and vinyl version?

Most of the sites I've seen only list a regular CD version and a vinyl version. No bonus DVD or DVD-A or Blu-Ray or 5.1 Audio or Making-of DVD... just a plain CD and a plain double-vinyl.

I was hoping, whether it was worth it on my wallet at the time or not, that being with Roadrunner, they'd have a super-mega-ultra-deluxe package box set with the double vinyl, a CD of the album, a DVD making-of, a Blu-Ray Audio disc in stereo and 5.1, a lithograph, a mousepad, all housed in a steampunked box.

But...guess that wasn't meant to be :sadpanda:

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: SystematicThought on May 28, 2012, 09:35:37 PM
Looks like we were thinking the same thing. With Roadrunner I thought it was mandatory that a deluxe edition is released  :P
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on May 29, 2012, 12:22:56 AM
Why are we here?

BECAUSE WE'RE HERE!

Row the boats.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on May 29, 2012, 12:28:00 AM
Roadrunner's packaging is horrible anyways.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on May 30, 2012, 07:57:23 PM
Considering doing a Clockwork Angels listening party, would people be interested?

And if so, would you want it to be the weekend before release, the day of release, or the weekend after release?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jingle.boy on May 30, 2012, 08:20:17 PM
Considering doing a Clockwork Angels listening party, would people be interested?

And if so, would you want it to be the weekend before release, the day of release, or the weekend after release?

I'm in!  Either weekend before for a sneak preview, or weekend after once it's been digested a little.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on May 31, 2012, 05:33:36 AM
Sounds interesting Nick!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on May 31, 2012, 04:29:19 PM
30 second samples https://www.walmart.com/ip/20923974
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: adace on May 31, 2012, 04:45:11 PM
The samples sound pretty good. Very much looking forward to this.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on May 31, 2012, 04:49:45 PM
Holy sh*t!  These samples are amazing!!!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on May 31, 2012, 04:58:11 PM
YES    YES   YES!!!!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on May 31, 2012, 05:04:58 PM
30 second samples https://www.walmart.com/ip/20923974

Sweet! Even though these are only the first 30 seconds of each song, it sounds pretty good! And it sounds like a lot of the songs will segue together, giving the album even MORE of a concept album feel. Pretty sweet! Can't wait to hear the whole thing soon! The next 12 days are gonna be HARD to wait...

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on May 31, 2012, 05:13:21 PM
got to say from the clips I LOVE the separation in the instruments!!  No wall of guitars.  It sounds great.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on May 31, 2012, 05:49:20 PM
Loving the samples. The songs sometimes sound kind of samey, but they're great on the whole. I'm loving the new heavy sound; it works well for new Rush.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on May 31, 2012, 06:27:23 PM
Wal-Mart is evil, and I refuse to give them another hit on their piece of shit website, so I will wait till samples are up on amazon or iTunes. :)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on May 31, 2012, 07:35:37 PM
Funnily enough I just saw a Rushisaband tweet on my phone and haven't actually heard the samples. It's only 8 days out for me, so I'll wait to have the album in hand before listening.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on May 31, 2012, 07:45:10 PM
Considering doing a Clockwork Angels listening party, would people be interested?

And if so, would you want it to be the weekend before release, the day of release, or the weekend after release?

What's wrong with all three?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on May 31, 2012, 07:51:31 PM
Funnily enough I just saw a Rushisaband tweet on my phone and haven't actually heard the samples. It's only 8 days out for me, so I'll wait to have the album in hand before listening.

I haven't/won't listened to any samples either.

The generic promo single (edit and album version) I found over the weekend (which kind of sounds like crap actually) will tide me over until the Friday before release when I have to be brave and just walk in and walk out with Clockwork Angels and not a dozen other albums that I have been holding off on.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 31, 2012, 07:59:48 PM
So far I am really liking the samples, but then again 30 seconds don't really do them justice.

     Can't wait for this album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ultimetalhead on May 31, 2012, 10:25:38 PM
Interesting how most of the songs start with some similar ambient noise. This could be the first Rush album that really feels like a connected piece of work rather than a collection of songs.

Either way, color me excited.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on June 01, 2012, 03:05:17 PM
It's not the music I worry about- it's the vocal melodies. A couple of decent riffs there- a few wasted intro samples. A couple of more upbeat sounding riffs. Certainly promising.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on June 02, 2012, 03:11:46 PM
Double Agent is really underrated. That heavy riff kicks ass.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on June 02, 2012, 04:23:46 PM
Double Agent is really underrated. That heavy riff kicks ass.

You're so right.  The first time i heard Cparts, i was pretty disappointed.  But when Double Agent came on, i was relieved.  It was the only track that SOUNDED like Rush to me, on that first listen.  Now it's my favorite track on the album, aside from maybe Leave that Thing Alone.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 02, 2012, 05:13:50 PM
Double Agent is really underrated. That heavy riff kicks ass.

I have always really liked double agent.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 03, 2012, 05:06:27 AM
Different 30 second samples.  Now with vocals!!


https://www.ibs.it/musica/album/W016861765606/rush/clockwork-angels.html?shop=45
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jingle.boy on June 03, 2012, 05:17:27 AM
Must ... resist ... temptation.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 03, 2012, 05:31:00 AM
Must ... resist ... temptation.

Nugget.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 03, 2012, 06:43:38 AM
I CAN LEARN TO RESIST
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 03, 2012, 07:03:03 AM
LOL. Also a youtube of all the songs, 30 second clips.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=f8g5gEKi7xQ#!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on June 03, 2012, 09:52:49 AM
Very interesting. Sounds incredibly dark and intense, which is refreshing I guess.  ;D
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 03, 2012, 02:48:27 PM
LOL. Also a youtube of all the songs, 30 second clips.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=f8g5gEKi7xQ#!

Definitely better then the Walmart samples, but I'm gonna have to hear the whole songs to make any real judgement calls.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on June 03, 2012, 03:07:03 PM
Rush is my favorite band and I've been really looking forward to CA but the samples don't do much for me. The Wreckers and The Garden sound like they'll be my favorites. I really hope these clips are bad representations of the album. I didn't really care for the samples for A Dramatic Turn of Events at first but I ended up loving it, so I hope its the same in this case.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 03, 2012, 03:08:12 PM
I'm not listening to the samples, but your story reminds me of Octavarium, I was very weary of the clips, but then I loved the album. Of course over time it ended up not aging well and became one of my least favorite DT albums. I hope you get the former without the latter. :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on June 03, 2012, 05:24:46 PM
The fan package supposedly has shipped.

If it gets here by Friday, I won't have to pick up another copy at the store Friday night.

Knowing my luck recently, I don't expect that will happen.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 03, 2012, 05:26:32 PM
The fan package supposedly has shipped.

If it gets here by Friday, I won't have to pick up another copy at the store Friday night.

Knowing my luck recently, I don't expect that will happen.

Hmmm, well I haven't received any emails from BurningShed about my Fan Pack shipping yet. I'd love it if it got here before next Saturday!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 03, 2012, 08:26:14 PM
I am not gonna listen to these new 30-second samples, but there seems to be a lot of bickering about them at the Rush forum.

And based on some of the comments, I will reiterate my biggest fear about this album: Geddy's vocals.  His voice isn't nearly what it used to be, and I worry that even good vocal melodies will have too much of that double-tracked yodeling that he has resorted to at times in recent years.  I hope I am wrong, but his voice is not gonna magically get younger or better again.  Time will tell...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jjrock88 on June 04, 2012, 01:40:19 AM
How are most of you purchasing CA.  Are you going to order it online or get it from a store?  I plan on going to HMV as soon as they open.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on June 04, 2012, 02:08:29 AM
I am not gonna listen to these new 30-second samples, but there seems to be a lot of bickering about them at the Rush forum.

And based on some of the comments, I will reiterate my biggest fear about this album: Geddy's vocals.  His voice isn't nearly what it used to be, and I worry that even good vocal melodies will have too much of that double-tracked yodeling that he has resorted to at times in recent years.  I hope I am wrong, but his voice is not gonna magically get younger or better again.  Time will tell...

My thoughts on modern Rush in a nutshell.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 04, 2012, 05:06:42 AM
How are most of you purchasing CA.  Are you going to order it online or get it from a store?  I plan on going to HMV as soon as they open.

Well, at this point I pretty much just use Itunes, so I've already pre-ordered it there, and it will download automatically the moment that it is available.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jingle.boy on June 04, 2012, 06:21:44 AM
How are most of you purchasing CA.  Are you going to order it online or get it from a store?  I plan on going to HMV as soon as they open.

Amazon re-order
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 04, 2012, 07:05:54 AM
Got a Best Buy gift card burning in my pocket.  After work, I'll pick it up.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on June 04, 2012, 08:34:33 AM
How are most of you purchasing CA.  Are you going to order it online or get it from a store?  I plan on going to HMV as soon as they open.

Pre-ordered the deluxe package directly from Roadrunner.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Pols Voice on June 04, 2012, 11:58:18 AM
I kinda wish Rush would become an instrumental band.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 04, 2012, 12:28:37 PM
Any more rules broken in this thread will go straight to temp ban as this is people's general warning.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on June 04, 2012, 12:29:57 PM
Nick be layin' da smackdown.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 04, 2012, 12:58:56 PM
How are most of you purchasing CA.  Are you going to order it online or get it from a store?  I plan on going to HMV as soon as they open.

Pre-Ordered the Classic Rock Fan Pack from Burning Shed over a month ago. No shipment confirmation email yet, though, so I'm hoping I get one soon...

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: adace on June 04, 2012, 02:02:21 PM
Any more rules broken in this thread will go straight to temp ban as this is people's general warning.
Sorry about that  :laugh: Guess I got excited/carried away.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on June 04, 2012, 03:11:07 PM
Any more rules broken in this thread will go straight to temp ban as this is people's general warning.
Sorry about that  :laugh: Guess I got excited/carried away.

I'm going to guess Christmas came early for some people today.

My Christmas will be Friday, when I walk into the store and head to the register resisting all other temptation.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 04, 2012, 06:01:57 PM
Fun interview with Geddy here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBZY_loemUw

Without giving it away, he and Alex have the same least favorite Rush song...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 04, 2012, 06:12:52 PM
Heh, good thing that wasn't on my list of songs to see live. :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on June 04, 2012, 06:27:31 PM
Not surprised at that choice.  :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 04, 2012, 06:39:51 PM
Okay, but is that song on anybody's list of songs they want to see played live? :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 04, 2012, 06:53:43 PM
Fun interview with Geddy here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBZY_loemUw

Without giving it away, he and Alex have the same least favorite Rush song...

That's a fantastic interview.

  Oh Tai Shan...    jeez, not even they like it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 04, 2012, 06:56:53 PM
I actually like Tai Shan (I could easily name 20-30 Rush songs I like less or not at all), but I wouldn't want them to play it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 04, 2012, 07:09:44 PM
I don't know the exact number, but out of the 130+ Rush songs, there's only 3 that I don't like. (Tai Shan, Dog Years and Super Conductor)

   All others I can enjoy on some level, and about 90% of them I really do love.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 04, 2012, 07:26:11 PM
I've never seen a good song take so much heat like Dog Years for the lyrics. 

And yeah, Tai Shan is low on my list too.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 04, 2012, 07:37:17 PM
Yeah, Dog Years ain't that bad.  It sure does rock if nothing else.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on June 04, 2012, 08:25:20 PM
I don't know the exact number, but out of the 130+ Rush songs, there's only 3 that I don't like. (Tai Shan, Dog Years and Super Conductor)

   All others I can enjoy on some level, and about 90% of them I really do love.

Rivendell... you like it?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on June 04, 2012, 08:26:04 PM
There's nothing wrong with Rivendell.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 04, 2012, 08:34:01 PM
There ain't much right with it either.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 04, 2012, 09:34:47 PM
There ain't much right with it either.

That's pretty much it, just kinda goes on and on with nothing to hold on to.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on June 04, 2012, 09:44:20 PM
I love Rivendell.   I REALLY LOVE SUPERCONDUCTOR!!!   I really like Tai Shan.    But ya....Dog Years is pretty bad. 

I still put Tai Shan and Rivendell above Face Up or Neurotica, or Heresy or You Bet Your Life. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 04, 2012, 09:48:25 PM
I love Rivendell.   I REALLY LOVE SUPERCONDUCTOR!!!   I really like Tai Shan. 

(https://cdn.overclock.net/7/7a/7a1898ce_mother-of-god-super-troopers.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 04, 2012, 09:59:30 PM
Guys, https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=7.0

Read those, if anything is unclear please PM me, but I think all relevant rules are rather clear on the subject.

Edit: So yes, let's continue to discuss the amazing music of Rush (like stuff that isn't Rivendell or Superconductor)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ultimetalhead on June 04, 2012, 10:08:52 PM
Album's very good. I saw a lot of people on The Rush Forum hating on the title track, but I'd probably consider it their best song in years. Very proggy.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on June 04, 2012, 10:10:02 PM
On my second listen now.  First listen didn't hit me as anything amazing, but on my second listen I'm already liking it more.  The title track is quite good, as are the last two.  Lots of tasty bass on the album.  :)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on June 04, 2012, 10:14:28 PM
Come on, guys. I'm trying to wait for release/study for finals over here.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on June 04, 2012, 10:18:17 PM
You're doing finals in June?  Wow.  Late semester. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 04, 2012, 10:25:38 PM
I have no willpower when it comes to Rush. :lol



Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The King in Crimson on June 04, 2012, 10:35:19 PM
You can rationalize anything if you believe enough. :neverusethis:

Nevertheless, don't give in.  Wait for release day like us real Rush fans.  There's almost nothing like the wait for something eagerly anticipated.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on June 04, 2012, 10:36:46 PM
You're doing finals in June?  Wow.  Late semester.
Quarter system. Dumb stuff.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on June 04, 2012, 10:39:23 PM
You're doing finals in June?  Wow.  Late semester.
Quarter system. Dumb stuff.

Ouch.

Anyways, I'm not sure yet if the album is better than S&A (which was an incredibly strong album) but it is quite good.  The Garden is probably the non-single standout from my POV.

EDIT: Damn forgot about Halo Effect, Carnies, and the title track.  Hrm
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on June 04, 2012, 10:51:49 PM
I'm listening to the Duke Suite live from Lyceum 1980 and I can assure you that I'm not thinking about Clockwork Angels right now.



Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 04, 2012, 10:52:29 PM
With the intention of approaching this from a "concept album" stand point, I'm trying to give this whole listens, so I'm on my 2nd with headphones. I'd have to say - they really did pull the three-piece sound like they said they would, and the bass is pretty killer, probably some of the best bass sound in years from them.

Vocally, it's a very interesting album. I'm glad everything sounds a bit less dense and a bit more separated.

I like the title track and agree with skydivingninja, probably one of their best in years. It is a bit unusual to me, however, that after 4 songs on a Rush album, I'm already 25 minutes through! :lol

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 04, 2012, 11:24:07 PM
Given that Geddy said that they are planning on playing "a lot" of the new album, I think BU2B2 and Wish Them Well are the easy two to eliminate, but would they play all of the other 10? Or maybe go with 8-9?  And if so, which other one or two would lose out?  I can't see them not playing the first five, Headlong Flight and The Wreckers, so that is 7 right there.  They haven't played a final song from an album since Power Windows, but it would be a travesty to not play The Garden.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 04, 2012, 11:31:02 PM
Given that Geddy said that they are planning on playing "a lot" of the new album, I think BU2B2 and Wish Them Well are the easy two to eliminate, but would they play all of the other 10? Or maybe go with 8-9?  And if so, which other one or two would lose out?  I can't see them not playing the first five, Headlong Flight and The Wreckers, so that is 7 right there.  They haven't played a final song from an album since Power Windows, but it would be a travesty to not play The Garden.

Agree with this entirely. The first five are golden, and "Headlong Flight" is a shoe-in. I can't see them NOT playing "Seven Cities Of Gold", so I'd say "Halo Effect" would lose out this Tour, along with "BU2B2" and "Wish Them Well", meaning they could play at most the 9 other songs. Guess we'll have to wait (awhile) and see...

"The Garden" is pretty damn good, probably one of their best closing tracks in awhile.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on June 05, 2012, 02:48:21 AM
I'm pretty happy so far. For me it gets better (and more melodic  :omg:) as it goes. Geddy sounds good (ish) thanks to more melodic material. Plenty of bass- so much so alot of the album reminds me of Seinfeld!
For the first time in a long long time I'm looking forward to getting to know a Rush album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nekov on June 05, 2012, 04:18:04 AM
Hey guys, how about we put spoilers in small letters so that people that have a stronger willpower than us don't have to avoid the thread?

On my first listen the album was meh. After reading reviews and interviews with the guys I had my hopes very high. I will give it more spins today in hope it gets better


S&A (which was an incredibly strong album)

You really think so? I see it as a consistent album that lacks highlights. I loved it the first couple of times but it has not aged well at all for me.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jingle.boy on June 05, 2012, 05:47:24 AM

S&A (which was an incredibly strong album)

You really think so? I see it as a consistent album that lacks highlights. I loved it the first couple of times but it has not aged well at all for me.

I'm with ya there on S&A.  Solid top to bottom, but no real highs (or lows for that matter)

I'm holding off until next Tuesday.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: wolfking on June 05, 2012, 05:49:07 AM
I hopefully should be able to pick up CA in store on Friday.  :tup
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on June 05, 2012, 07:03:50 AM

S&A (which was an incredibly strong album)

You really think so? I see it as a consistent album that lacks highlights. I loved it the first couple of times but it has not aged well at all for me.

I'm with ya there on S&A.  Solid top to bottom, but no real highs (or lows for that matter)

I'm holding off until next Tuesday.

+1
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on June 05, 2012, 07:08:37 AM
Right now my hopes for the tour are:

Caravan
BU2B
Clockwork Angels
Carnies
Halo Effect
The Garden
Headlong Flight
Seven Cities of Gold
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ultimetalhead on June 05, 2012, 08:46:30 AM
With the notion of them playing so much of this album on the upcoming tour, it's EXTREMELY tempting to just pull the trigger on tickets right now. I'm on my second listen (at BU2B2 right now) at the moment, and it's even better. The title track is probably as close to Hemispheres as we'll ever get. Live, I think it will be one of the highlights of the show. Really, all of these songs are going to totally own in a live setting.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 05, 2012, 08:56:33 AM
The title track is probably as close to Hemispheres as we'll ever get.

oh wow. cant wait to hear it now
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nekov on June 05, 2012, 09:32:09 AM
The title track is probably as close to Hemispheres as we'll ever get.

oh wow. cant wait to hear it now

Don't get lost on that comparison. CA is nothing like Hemispheres, just a long & nice prog song.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on June 05, 2012, 09:44:33 AM
^ that
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 05, 2012, 09:49:04 AM
oh i know, i wasnt going to expect anything crazy. just any hint at hemispheres would make me happy
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 05, 2012, 11:51:15 AM
I don't think it even has a hint of Hemispheres in it.  See, this is what gets fans hopes up and then disappointed: comparisons to old, classic songs that do nothing but make some think that they are gonna be hearing a new Rush song that sounds like one of the classics. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 05, 2012, 01:38:23 PM
Nah, I think there are just fans that actually WANT that classic Rush sound and style.  They could pump out a half a dozen albums that sound like Hemispheres and I'd buy every one of them on release day.  If they keep making stuff like Snakes and Arrows, I'm gonna pass every time.


Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on June 05, 2012, 03:13:06 PM
Fan pack arrived today!

Anyone else get one?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on June 05, 2012, 05:08:37 PM
I think I'm going to quit listening to samples beforehand. The Italian samples were terrible representations of the album. This album is awesome!! My favorites are the title track, The Garden, and The Wreckers. The only tracks that I can't get into are Seven Cities of Gold and Halo Effect. I do like Wish Them Well and BU2B2, even though many people, especially on The Rush Forum, seem to not care for them. The Garden is one of my favorite Rush songs, and is probably going to end up in my top 10. Overall, this is a very strong album and their best since Counterparts (which is one of my favorites). Way better than Snakes and Arrows and Vapor Trails, both of which I like, and miles better than Test For Echo. I can't wait to hear this album live. I wouldn't mind if they played the whole thing live. Maybe Seven Cities and Halo Effect will work well live.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 05, 2012, 05:59:50 PM
Anybody gonna read the Novelization of Clockwork Angels?

     I think I'm kind of intrigued by the story, but know so little of it at this point.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on June 06, 2012, 01:51:38 AM
Great album. Wreckers is my favorite after a couple of listens. Dat philosophical, catchy chorus.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ultimetalhead on June 06, 2012, 10:18:33 AM
4 listens so far, and I think The Anarchist is my favorite now. The unison riff/melody is quite nice.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on June 06, 2012, 10:23:57 AM
ARgggggh.  I want it NOW
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on June 06, 2012, 01:52:18 PM
I don't think it even has a hint of Hemispheres in it.  See, this is what gets fans hopes up and then disappointed: comparisons to old, classic songs that do nothing but make some think that they are gonna be hearing a new Rush song that sounds like one of the classics.

Yep.  Though I hear some of the 2112 finale in "Clockwork Angels." and of course the Headlong Flight/Bastille Day similarities are pretty clear, IMO. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nekov on June 06, 2012, 02:02:33 PM
Clockwork Angles is not really clicking for me. Listening to Grace Under Pressure now
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 06, 2012, 06:44:33 PM
Clockwork Angels is on Grooveshark!!


Edit:  Link taken down!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on June 06, 2012, 07:17:50 PM
Now, I'm not familiar with Grooveshark's system, so forgive me if this is a silly question, but is this a fan upload of the leak, or an early release with permission from the label?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 06, 2012, 07:19:30 PM
I've got to be honest.  I don't know either.

Edit:  This link should help you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grooveshark
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on June 06, 2012, 07:22:41 PM
I've got to be honest.  I don't know either.

Edit:  This link should help you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grooveshark
Thanks for the link. Given that the page says fans can "upload music" to Grooveshark, I'd say it's more likely a symptom of the leak than anything else. For that reason, I'd take down the link before the mods kill you. :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on June 06, 2012, 09:06:05 PM
On first listen....my jaw is on the floor.

My thoughts.   I think the *REALLY GREAT* thing about it, is that it has the heaviness of their more recent albums...but many of the songs have that more majestic, anthem, bombastic, epic feel like some of the synth era stuff.  (think Marathon, Second Nature, Manhattan Project, Prime Mover)   So you end up getting the best of both worlds.    The HUGE feel of something like Marathon with the heaviness of something like Driven.     I just feel like (with the exception of VT) every album has gotten successively better since Roll the Bones.   

It's a GREAT time to be a Rush fan!!!

 :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: YtseCullen on June 06, 2012, 09:35:06 PM
Loving the new album. Using this the cover for my iTunes and on my iPhone (https://boarderama.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Rush___Clockwork_Angels.jpg)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Ultimetalhead on June 06, 2012, 09:37:42 PM
Clockwork Angels is on Grooveshark!!


https://grooveshark.com/#!/album/Clockwork+Angels/4511814
Yeah, might want to take that down before the e-police get here.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on June 06, 2012, 09:38:35 PM
The link doesn't work anyway.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on June 06, 2012, 10:51:03 PM
I guess that means I'm the only one with an actual copy of the album here as of yet because I pre-ordered the fan pack and they shipped it early? (Best preorder scenario ever! Although The Neal Morse pre-orders never disappoint either.)

Definately a grower, but The Wreckers and The Garden are stellar early on.

I want the whole album live although I don't think it would ever happen. It would be the right thing to do to hear it as it was meant to be heard..



I'm almost afraid to comment on the album from a sonic standpoint but Vapor Trails does very much come to mind here.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on June 06, 2012, 10:54:37 PM
I'm almost afraid to comment on the album from a sonic standpoint but Vapor Trails does very much come to mind here.
:-\ I was really afraid of this.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on June 06, 2012, 11:13:26 PM
I'm almost afraid to comment on the album from a sonic standpoint but Vapor Trails does very much come to mind here.
:-\ I was really afraid of this.

Just my opinion. Didn't think it possible myself.

Don't go by what I say though. Trust your own ears.

Nuances are still appearing so I just may not be getting it yet. (Strangely, I think Caravan and BU2B actually sound better as remixes)

I have to keep sitting down with it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 07, 2012, 09:42:33 AM
The title track of the album is now streaming on the Rush Facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/rushtheband/app_108468622525037

The song is definitely a grower, but I really like it. It goes to a couple different places during the track, which keeps it interesting.

    Its pretty dynamic, but in a smooth and chill sort of way. I really like solo as well as the part that goes:

"High above the city square, globes of light float in mid-air" Love it  :heart
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 07, 2012, 09:58:44 AM
Nice.  The good thing about that is I can already tell that, despite being on their FB page and not the real CD, it won't be as loud and noisy as I feared.  When that first heavy riff comes in around :31 or so, it sounded too loud and noisy where I first heard it ;), but it sounds much better already, so that is a huge relief. 

Oh, and that song is just an absolute beast. :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on June 07, 2012, 10:07:05 AM
This song is fantastic
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on June 07, 2012, 10:14:29 AM
After one listen, my first impression is that it's an awesome tune. Definitely not the sprawling epic I was expecting, but it's still varied and great. I may actually end up preferring it to Caravan, BU2B and Headlong Flight (and I loved all three).
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on June 07, 2012, 10:32:10 AM
OK, listening to the album now.  I'm getting a late 80's/early 90's Rush vibe, combined with a grandiosity/arc reminiscent of Coldplay.  This is some serious shit.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on June 07, 2012, 02:44:23 PM
According to Rush is a Band its all on spotify now.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on June 07, 2012, 03:38:25 PM
Things are most definately improving now.

I love those slow burners. Pretty much a nod to every album they've ever done.


The Wreckers is a masterpiece. Damn near the best song they've written EVER.


Midrange very muddy, takes a while to disassemble it.



I know Alex likes to rock out, but he seriously needs to push play whenever he gets near an acoustic guitar (And I know I've said this before.)

Maybe Geddy stealth record him and put it out as a bonus disc or something.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on June 07, 2012, 05:19:00 PM
Anyone wanna buy Neil's drums?

https://www.julienslive.com/view-auctions/catalog/id/72/lot/28533/
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 07, 2012, 11:42:29 PM
My updated Rush set list for this year's tour.  I think this would be great and is very realistic.

Set 1:

2112 (Parts I and II)
The Analog Kid
Middletown Dreams
Clockwork Angels
The Wreckers
Headlong Flight
Where's My Thing (although I could see one of the S&A instrumentals being played here, as that middle of the first set instrumental to give Geddy's voice a break)
Limelight
Closer to the Heart
Far Cry
The Garden

Set 2:

The Spirit of Radio
Caravan
BU2B
Carnies
The Enemy Within
The Anarchist
Seven Cities of Gold
YYZ
Drum solo
The Trees
Xanadu
Tom Sawyer

Encore:

Subdivisions
La Villa Strangiato
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 07, 2012, 11:45:51 PM
And frankly, I'd love to see them end the entire show with The Garden; the song is that good and would be an awesome closer, but a lot of fans might find it a bit too disappointing.  I normally do not advocate them playing a new song in the encore this deep into their careers, but I think The Garden would be a fantastic closer.  This is a tour supporting Clockwork Angels after all!

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 07, 2012, 11:51:14 PM
Just wanted to say...

Presto > Roll The Bones

I've been listening to both over the last few hours...and I think I enjoy Presto more, as a whole, than I do Roll The Bones.

Even half-way through the album, I feel like the songs are still pretty strong and memorable whereas with RTB, I feel less drawn to them. Also, "Available Light" is one of their best album-closers post-POW/"Mystic Rhythms".

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on June 07, 2012, 11:52:56 PM
Listened to Clockwork Angels (the song) a couple times more now. Having trouble sort of wrapping my head around it, but I'm liking it more with each listen. I'm enjoying the intro best at this point, with the riff at 1:07 being my favorite moment, though that may change as I begin to understand the piece better.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 07, 2012, 11:56:24 PM
The part that was in that 30-second sample from the Italian website (the latter part of the first two verses; the part that rocks really fast) is just so completely badass; the music is awesome and fast, and the vocal melody is very unique and melodic.  And the way it then explodes into the chorus is incredible.   :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 08, 2012, 09:11:37 AM
Squeeeeeeee

(https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/599167_10150898959729833_211944850_n.jpg)

Can't wait to get home and listen, only 7 hours or so away. Not sure if I'm going to listen to the vinyl or CD first as with newer stuff vinyl is hit or miss, but in any case I am excite.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 08, 2012, 09:16:33 AM
Wow they have the Wreckers right on the album sticker.

    Perhaps this may be the next single?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 08, 2012, 09:31:56 AM
I figured that was a given, considering the overall catchiness of it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 08, 2012, 09:32:46 AM
Wow they have the Wreckers right on the album sticker.

    Perhaps this may be the next single?

I think that pretty much ensures it's place in the live set, along with, I hope, the first five tracks and "Headlong Flight".

Also...Nick - 3 copies of the CD?! Really? :lol Let me guess... 1 for the car, 1 for the CD player for your home system, and 1 for...the bathroom CD player, ya know, when you have those really long dumps or are in the shower for like 30 minutes?

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 08, 2012, 09:33:42 AM
:lol The vinyl and 1 CD is for me, the others are for my sister and best friend.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 08, 2012, 09:39:52 AM
:lol The vinyl and 1 CD is for me, the others are for my sister and best friend.

Ahhh okay, that explains it. Whew! I was worried for a second...I hope your sister and best friend enjoy the album!

I may go out and buy another copy myself after my Classic Rock Fan Pack comes in!

BTW, that vinyl cover just looks nice. Post some pics of the inside and the vinyls themselves once you get it open if you could! I'd love to see it. I really wish Roadrunner had offered a huge boxset with the vinyl and the CD.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 08, 2012, 09:42:37 AM
Okay, will do when I get home.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 08, 2012, 09:46:59 AM
Okay, will do when I get home.

 :tup

So, semi-on-topic, I've been going back and listening to Rush's previous 6 albums (from Presto to Snakes & Arrows) and I've (re-)gained new-found appreciation for many of the songs and albums. It's also been a long while since I've really LISTENED to Rush, and taken the time to enjoy them. It's weird, like visiting a long lost friend you knew a decade ago, and are coming to familiarize yourself with them once more. I remember choruses, lyrics, drum fills...lots of little things that make me realize that Rush is deep within me, and I will live with that for the rest of my life. And I'm quite happy with that fact.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mebert78 on June 08, 2012, 11:15:56 AM
I'm loving the songs I've managed to hear so far.  Beautiful stuff!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on June 08, 2012, 01:30:20 PM
I am loving this album the more I listen to it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 08, 2012, 01:36:39 PM
I'm with you Matt.  I'm still amazed at how much they still care about their craft and the thought put into their music after all these year and then to still tour and pull about 9000 to 10,000 a night. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on June 08, 2012, 02:14:32 PM
The Wreckers :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 08, 2012, 02:57:36 PM
Here you go M,

(https://www.nickeh.com/images/M01.jpg)

(https://www.nickeh.com/images/M02.jpg)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on June 08, 2012, 03:27:31 PM
Okay, will do when I get home.

 :tup

So, semi-on-topic, I've been going back and listening to Rush's previous 6 albums (from Presto to Snakes & Arrows) and I've (re-)gained new-found appreciation for many of the songs and albums. It's also been a long while since I've really LISTENED to Rush, and taken the time to enjoy them. It's weird, like visiting a long lost friend you knew a decade ago, and are coming to familiarize yourself with them once more. I remember choruses, lyrics, drum fills...lots of little things that make me realize that Rush is deep within me, and I will live with that for the rest of my life. And I'm quite happy with that fact.

-Marc.



Similar to this i've been going back over TFE, VT, S&A for the Rush songs thread and I still don't get any joy from them. I know Rush have always written the music and the lyrics seperately but those albums is where it sounded like it.
 I'm enjoying CA at the moment. It's no great leap in approach from the previous couple but the vocal melodies are better and there seems to be more variety.

I was hoping the muddiness was just the mp3 I've been listening to so it's worrying that the album is not sonically awesome. How come one of the greatest bands ever has so many poorly produced/mixed albums?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on June 08, 2012, 03:35:34 PM
So I'm pretty sure I could make the album cover background in photoshop in ten minutes.  Hugh Syme can do great stuff.  This is lazy, IMO. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on June 08, 2012, 03:54:10 PM
So I'm pretty sure I could make the album cover background in photoshop in ten minutes.  Hugh Syme can do great stuff.  This is lazy, IMO.

Especially as the small hand isn't in the right place.
Syme seems to be doing crap covers but better in the liners.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 08, 2012, 04:01:28 PM
So I'm pretty sure I could make the album cover background in photoshop in ten minutes.  Hugh Syme can do great stuff.  This is lazy, IMO.

Especially as the small hand isn't in the right place.

Yeah, pointed that out awhile back, a big facepalm on that one.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on June 08, 2012, 05:21:18 PM
I'm thinking they should do the entire new album on tour.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 08, 2012, 06:12:32 PM
On first listen my favs were...

The Garden, Caravan, BU2B, Wish Them Well, and The Wreckers.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on June 08, 2012, 07:55:59 PM
Just wanted to say...

Presto > Roll The Bones

I've been listening to both over the last few hours...and I think I enjoy Presto more, as a whole, than I do Roll The Bones.

Even half-way through the album, I feel like the songs are still pretty strong and memorable whereas with RTB, I feel less drawn to them. Also, "Available Light" is one of their best album-closers post-POW/"Mystic Rhythms".

-Marc.


I also feel more of a connection with Presto than RTB.   But RTB is a better record. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: countoftuscany42 on June 08, 2012, 08:31:27 PM
So I'm pretty sure I could make the album cover background in photoshop in ten minutes.  Hugh Syme can do great stuff.  This is lazy, IMO.

Especially as the small hand isn't in the right place.
Syme seems to be doing crap covers but better in the liners.

Didn't people already realize the hands are a nod to 2112? I thought that had gotten around..
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Implode on June 08, 2012, 08:35:37 PM
Hands on a clock pointing to 21:12? That is SO last fall, man.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 08, 2012, 08:47:51 PM
So I'm pretty sure I could make the album cover background in photoshop in ten minutes.  Hugh Syme can do great stuff.  This is lazy, IMO.

Especially as the small hand isn't in the right place.
Syme seems to be doing crap covers but better in the liners.

Didn't people already realize the hands are a nod to 2112? I thought that had gotten around..

That's correct, that was the intention, but when a clock really gets to 21:12 (or 9:12), the hour hand should be a 1/5 past the 9 and 4/5ths from the 10, where as on this image/the cover, the hour hand is right on 9.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on June 08, 2012, 08:58:26 PM
The album cover is horrible, the vinyl version looks slightly better.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mebert78 on June 08, 2012, 09:27:35 PM
So I'm pretty sure I could make the album cover background in photoshop in ten minutes.  Hugh Syme can do great stuff.  This is lazy, IMO.

Especially as the small hand isn't in the right place.
Syme seems to be doing crap covers but better in the liners.

Didn't people already realize the hands are a nod to 2112? I thought that had gotten around..

That's correct, that was the intention, but when a clock really gets to 21:12 (or 9:12), the hour hand should be a 1/5 past the 9 and 4/5ths from the 10, where as on this image/the cover, the hour hand is right on 9.

-Marc.

I disagree that they got the time wrong on the cover.  I think they knew what they were doing and purposely put it that way.  If you watch the Clockwork Angels video teaser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dolmgRizV0), the album cover artwork is brought to life.  The hour and minute hands do not move as traditional hour and minute hands -- because this is not meant to be a traditional time-telling clock.  So, that being said, I think it's possible the band intentionally placed the hands this way.  Why?  I'm not sure.  I have to see the album booklet and really analyze things further.  But I feel personally that the band wanted the hands the way they are now.  This is Rush!  They wouldn't fuck that up.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on June 08, 2012, 11:24:49 PM
This is Rush!  They wouldn't fuck that up.

But Hugh Syme apparently would, as he did.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: countoftuscany42 on June 08, 2012, 11:44:52 PM
This is Rush!  They wouldn't fuck that up.

But Hugh Syme apparently would, as he did.

did you just ignore everything he wrote? Syme is a good artist, it is possible that this "mistake" was intentional..
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on June 09, 2012, 12:37:25 AM
Yeah, I read it. I replied to it, remember?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on June 09, 2012, 01:12:39 AM
This is Rush!  They wouldn't fuck that up.

But Hugh Syme apparently would, as he did.

did you just ignore everything he wrote? Syme is a good artist, it is possible that this "mistake" was intentional..

I might believe that if the album cover didn't look like the project of someone taking an intro to Photoshop class. All around, it looks like a very lazy job.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 09, 2012, 05:19:41 AM
And really who cares.  All I care about is the music.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jingle.boy on June 09, 2012, 05:50:22 AM
And really who cares.  All I care about is the music.

 :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 09, 2012, 07:31:16 AM
Although as an intro it's growing on me, was anyone shitting bricks hearing BU2B and thinking they actually replaced the first verse with what was just an intro?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on June 09, 2012, 07:44:24 AM
No because there was an interview where they said they added an intro to it  :biggrin:  I quite like it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 09, 2012, 07:48:13 AM
Knowing that the time was longer than the single released I wasn't surprised.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 09, 2012, 07:56:11 AM
No because there was an interview where they said they added an intro to it  :biggrin:  I quite like it.

I saw that, but at first I thought maybe the intro would be longer than a minute and they'd cut some of the normal song out.

Edit: And Neil has a really cool tribute in the booklet, I won't spoil it, but definitely take a look through the story and narration.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on June 09, 2012, 11:44:29 AM
This is Rush!  They wouldn't fuck that up.

But Hugh Syme apparently would, as he did.

did you just ignore everything he wrote? Syme is a good artist, it is possible that this "mistake" was intentional..

After the sloppy work on ADTOE that's open to question.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 09, 2012, 11:45:14 AM
Alright, while I was mowing I listened to the album and I've got to say that I hope they extend the solo for The Wreckers live, at the end of the song.  (I think someone else said this in the thread) It gives me that uplifting feeling that the end solo in Mission does.  That goosebump moment.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jingle.boy on June 09, 2012, 01:07:12 PM
https://www.q107.com/livewithrush.aspx

Quote
The Mighty Q presents the world album premiere of Rush’s Clockwork Angels, and you could be there when Rush stops by the Q107 World Headquarters!!

Q107 Toronto presents the live, World Album Premiere of Rush’s Clockwork Angels, June 11th at 5pm .. on air and online!  Rush in studio. 

Watch the live stream at q107.com

Tweet your questions to #livewithrush

Not sure if it is truly the "official" world premiere, but with Geddy and Alex in studio, it should be good.  5PM ET.  Looks like it's actually playing across all the radio stations that Corus Entertainment owns.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on June 09, 2012, 01:52:02 PM
Fanpack disc is different to the regular release.

Son can't keep his paws off of it so I guess I know what he's getting for his birthday.



It will be a crime against humanity if The Wreckers isn't played live.

Hell, just play the whole thing. I just love how it's unfolding
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on June 09, 2012, 02:43:44 PM
Fanpack disc is different to the regular release.
What are the differences?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: nikatapi on June 09, 2012, 04:23:06 PM
The Garden is such an emotional and beautiful song!
It is my personal favorite at the moment.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 09, 2012, 05:03:31 PM
The Garden is such an emotional and beautiful song!
It is my personal favorite at the moment.

It actually brought me to tears the other day.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 09, 2012, 09:48:01 PM
The Garden is such an emotional and beautiful song!
It is my personal favorite at the moment.

Same here.

Quick check to see if we can get a unanimous vote on something.

Yea or nea, The Garden is the best closing track Rush have done since at least Available Light.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on June 09, 2012, 09:49:05 PM
The Garden is such an emotional and beautiful song!
It is my personal favorite at the moment.

Same here.

Quick check to see if we can get a unanimous vote on something.

Yea or nea, The Garden is the best closing track Rush have done since at least Available Light.

I haven't listened to the album yet but that wouldn't be a very difficult task since the closing songs on everything after Presto were bottom tier for their respective albums, imo.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 09, 2012, 09:51:14 PM
I realize that, I guess I'm challenging anybody to say that The Garden is a bottom tier song. (or that they really love some of the other closing tracks)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 09, 2012, 09:55:43 PM
This album has a great flow to it. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on June 09, 2012, 10:24:43 PM
A friend of mine got his hands on a legit copy today.

This is such a good album! I don't know how to compare it to Snakes and Arrows; they're very different albums. Both are great. I think Clockwork Angels is a bit more cohesive as an album. Outside of the three tracks we'd already heard, I think The Anarchist, The Wreckers, and The Garden are the standouts so far. The other tracks are good as well. Man, this is a fantastic album. Can't wait to pick up my copy on Tuesday.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 09, 2012, 10:56:25 PM


Yea or nea, The Garden is the best closing track Rush have done since at least Available Light.

Except that Everyday Glory is better than both of them (although I am loving The Garden thus far).
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 09, 2012, 10:59:34 PM
Fanpack disc is different to the regular release.
What are the differences?

From various pictures that I have researched on Google, it seems the Fan Pack packaging houses the disc and booklet in a fancy Digi-Book case. Pictures of this can be seen here:
(https://www.rushisaband.com/images/201206/2328.f.jpg)
(https://www.rushisaband.com/images/201206/2329.f.jpg)
(https://www.rushisaband.com/images/201206/2321.f.jpg)
(https://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5d1gzsrAA1qi4nvdo3_1280.jpg)
(https://rush.kostenloses-forum.be/richedit/upload/rush-0df36bb934.jpg)

...while the regular retail release houses the album in a standard digipak:
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yXws6fje9sk/T9JmpwV3NpI/AAAAAAAAdZ0/ge-hFfu3eIs/s1600/digipak.jpg)

And as you can see, even the printing on the disc itself is different between the two versions, with the Fan Pack version featuring the Circle-In-Square-In-Triangle image seen inside the booklet.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theanalogkid7 on June 09, 2012, 11:16:20 PM
Just finished my first listen and I have to say, I'm REALLY excited about this album.  It feels so much better than S&A, and it has some absolutely beautiful moments on it.  The Garden is just... man.

I really dig the fan pack version, too.  The Digipack version of the album is great, plus there's a cool poster with my name on it since I ordered it early on.  Super stoked.

Time for listen #2....
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 10, 2012, 03:39:22 AM
The Garden is such an emotional and beautiful song!
It is my personal favorite at the moment.

Same here.

Quick check to see if we can get a unanimous vote on something.

Yea or nea, The Garden is the best closing track Rush have done since at least Available Light.

My first reaction was that its the best closing song since Mystic Rhythms. Definitely the best since available light though.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zantera on June 10, 2012, 04:21:47 AM
Listened to the album once, solid I'd say. Didn't really find a song I found particularly good, but on the contrary nothing bad either. I'm guessing it will need more spins, and I will give it more spins when I have some time.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on June 10, 2012, 04:46:01 AM
After several listens this is hitting the spot. Production isn't great butt that's modern rock producers for you. There is plenty of melody here for me and the only weak ponts are when Geddy starts to warble rather than sing which is a shame because his singing here is excellent. Looking forward to getting a legit copy soon to delve into the lyrics and the concept. Best Rush album since Counterparts without a doubt and could place pretty high on the list after this great start.
One thing I would say is I don't remember any standout solos as yet so I think I need to look into that.
So far though my faith in Rush is being restored and I'd happily see this album performed in its entirety on tour.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on June 10, 2012, 06:52:12 AM
Listened to the album once, solid I'd say. Didn't really find a song I found particularly good, but on the contrary nothing bad either. I'm guessing it will need more spins, and I will give it more spins when I have some time.

Yeah its a grower. 

I'm with everyone else in that I hope they play the Garden live. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mosh on June 10, 2012, 09:29:15 AM
On the subject of Garden being the best closer since Available Light, I agree. But Available Light is still a much better song imo.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on June 10, 2012, 11:10:04 PM
The last track on a Rush album is always a favorite of mine and The Garden is no exception.

I don't know if The Garden gets played live since Jason Sniderman played piano on it. It would be easy enough to sample though.

The only closers I would not consider favorites are Working Man, Countdown and Carve Away The Stone.


The whole album just gets better with each listen. If I had to pick a least favorite at the moment, it would have to be Wish Them Well.

If you don't count Feedback, I'd put Vapor Trails, Snakes and Arrows and Clockwork Angels along with any three album run in their history. (And even with Feedback, I'd still say it would compare favorably to any four album run.)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 11, 2012, 07:37:39 AM


If you don't count Feedback, I'd put Vapor Trails, Snakes and Arrows and Clockwork Angels along with any three album run in their history. (And even with Feedback, I'd still say it would compare favorably to any four album run.)

 :eek :eek :eek :eek

Woah, that is an awfully bold statement.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 11, 2012, 08:41:22 AM
Okay, I've listened enough at this point to ask the question...

After what was a great improvement sonically with Snakes and Arrows, does anyone else feel that Clockwork Angels doesn't really sound that good? The bass is great and vocals are decent, but the guitars and drums seem a bit distant and muddy through most of it, partially because I think the volume knobs were a little too hot again.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 11, 2012, 08:47:26 AM
Sadly, I agree.  You can really tell the more you turn the volume up.  It's almost like Nick Raskulinecz doesn't realize that an album can rock without having to turn the guitars up to noisy levels.  I am still digging the CD like crazy, but the sound of it is a bit frustrating.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 11, 2012, 08:49:09 AM
Yeah, I have to say it was terribly obvious on my first listen because I had my complete focus on the album and had it cranked up to a high level. Subsequent listens at lower volumes were better, but the problem was still there.

Edit: And it sucks, because as I warm up more and more to the album musically, I'm turned off by it more and more sonically.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on June 11, 2012, 08:54:27 AM
That really sucks.  I've been listening to a download of the album (since my copy hasn't arrived yet), and was hoping that it was just mp3 compression.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on June 11, 2012, 09:00:11 AM
It still sounds better than Vapor trails, right?  ;D
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 11, 2012, 09:03:37 AM
It still sounds better than Vapor trails, right?  ;D

Unless they went in trying to fuck things up, it's going to sound better than VT.

It's just so frustrating that probably all the other albums I buy this year will have less of a budget than Clockwork did, and yet most of them will sound better.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on June 11, 2012, 09:05:30 AM
Are there any differences in sound between the CD and the LP?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 11, 2012, 09:07:20 AM
Are there any differences in sound between the CD and the LP?

I've only listened to the LP once, but I plan to put it in rotation for the next couple of days, so I'll get back to you on that.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on June 11, 2012, 11:13:11 AM
In Corgan interview, Geddy says they are trying to figure out if they will play all or part of the new album on tour.  Around 38 minute mark.

https://soundcloud.com/fmqb-productions/inside-rush-clockwork-angels
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 11, 2012, 11:15:39 AM
In Corgan interview, Geddy says they are trying to figure out if they will play all or part of the new album on tour.  Around 38 minute mark.

https://soundcloud.com/fmqb-productions/inside-rush-clockwork-angels

If they play all of it, you can be sure they will split it up over the course of the set...but will the songs still be in chronological order? That is, "Caravan" and "BU2B" would be the first two songs played, then after a couple classics, they break out "Clockwork Angels", etc. etc.

Or would they play the whole thing, un-interrupted, like they did with Moving Pictures?

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on June 11, 2012, 11:37:22 AM
I'd like to see them play the first half of the album closing the first set and the second half opening the second set. Though it may bore the casual fans who only know the hits.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 11, 2012, 12:00:19 PM
I'd like to see them play the first half of the album closing the first set and the second half opening the second set. Though it may bore the casual fans who only know the hits.

Interesting idea... I think, to further expand on my prior post, I'd like to see something like this...
(Old Song)
(Old Song)
(Old Song)
"Caravan"
"BU2B"
(Old Song)
(Old Song)
"Clockwork Angels"
(Old Song)
"The Anarchist"
(Classic Hit/Deep Cut - "Natural Science" or "Jacob's Ladder" would be awesome here)

-Intermission-

"Carnies"
"Halo Effect"
"Seven Cities of Gold"
(Old Song)
"The Wreckers"
"Headlong Flight"
(Drum Solo)
(Acoustic Song - "Hope" would be cool)
"BU2B2"
"Wish Them Well"
(Classic Hit - 2112: I, II, VII)
(Classic Hit - Xanadu?)
"The Garden"

-Encore-
(2 or 3 old/classic hits)

The number of songs works, as is standard with their previous live sets, about 10-11 in the first set, then 12-14 int he 2nd set, and an encore.

This leaves room for 12-13 older songs/classics, and of course, those would include at least "The Spirit Of Radio" and "Freewill", as well as any version/part of "2112". I'd like it if they left out any songs from Moving Pictures just because they played the whole thing live last tour. It would leave more room for other older songs, too, since they usually play half of MP live anyway.

I think "Closer To The Heart" should sit this tour out, as well, so that would leave us with 10 other songs to play. "La Villa Strangiato" will probably make it to the encore again, and I think we'll see at least 1 or 2 songs from Vapor Trails as none were played on the Time Machine Tour. I'd like it if there was one new song played live from Snakes & Arrows, but it will likely be represented by "Far Cry", so that brings us to 6 songs...

"Subdivisions", and probably at least 1 song each from GUP, POW and HYF would be nice...leaving 2 songs, probably "Xanadu" and something from their first four albums.

It'd be tough to play ALL of CA and still please the fans, but if they wanted to do that, they'd bring out some deep cuts and make it worth it to have half the set be CA songs. Although, to be honest, I'd like to see them do a tour where they played nothing but songs from Presto onward, covering a lot of songs they've never played live, or have rarely played live (like "Time And Motion" or "Ceiling Unlimited").

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on June 11, 2012, 12:19:58 PM
Partway through the interview. Found out that Rush does recognize that the intro to Headlong Flight does sound just like Bastille Day; turns out it's intentional, since the lyrics are about reflecting on your past.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 11, 2012, 12:22:36 PM
Partway through the interview. Found out that Rush does recognize that the intro to Headlong Flight does sound just like Bastille Day; turns out it's intentional, since the lyrics are about reflecting on your past.

Must have been Bouujze 's idea! :lol

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TAC on June 11, 2012, 12:42:07 PM


Yea or nea, The Garden is the best closing track Rush have done since at least Available Light.

Except that Everyday Glory is better than both of them (although I am loving The Garden thus far).
I love Everyday Glory!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 11, 2012, 12:59:03 PM
In Corgan interview, Geddy says they are trying to figure out if they will play all or part of the new album on tour.  Around 38 minute mark.

https://soundcloud.com/fmqb-productions/inside-rush-clockwork-angels

Great interview!

I had heard the story about them switching instruments during The Wreckers, but hearing them tell it in more detail was super cool.

I loved how much Corgan talked about Neil as a lyricist.  I always laugh when Rush dissenters bag him for supposedly being a bad lyricist. 

And while they mentioned that playing all of the new album is a possibility, it didn't sound likely based on the way they talked.
 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 11, 2012, 05:15:15 PM
Are there any differences in sound between the CD and the LP?

After two listens tonight, I'd say there is a fair improvement on the vinyl, but it's still certainly lacking.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 11, 2012, 05:25:18 PM
After 5 listens, how do I feel about Clockwork Angels?

 (https://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x459/phoenix87x/JPlovin.jpg)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: WindMaster on June 11, 2012, 06:34:15 PM
Picking this up tomorrow! I listened to most of it and it sounds really super awesome. I'm really excited to spin this all day.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Implode on June 11, 2012, 07:39:52 PM
Tomorrow, I might accidentally buy 2 CD's and the vinyl if all are available.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on June 11, 2012, 08:22:56 PM
So excited to pick it up tomorrow :caffeine:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nel on June 11, 2012, 09:07:48 PM
Picked it up earlier tonight at the record store! Spinning it now.  :corn
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: wolfking on June 11, 2012, 11:45:56 PM
The bastards didn't have this in store over the weekend!!  :censored >:(  No wonder I've fully relied on online purchasing for the last year or so.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MondayMorningLunatic on June 12, 2012, 12:37:47 AM
Quote from: Jack Black
Rush is just one of those bands that has a deep reservoir of rocket sauce. A lot of bands- they've only got so much in the bottle. They use it up sometimes in one song. These guys were the real deal. Their bottle was so big and so filled to the brim, they were shaking it literally for decades and still there was sauce coming out.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 12, 2012, 05:03:05 AM
So I pretty much love the entire album  :heart

The only songs that I'm not big on are Wish Them well and BU2B2.  Wish them well is just a bit too repetitive and BU2B2 I just skip.

The rest kicks some major ass. Carnies rocks my face off  :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Vivace on June 12, 2012, 05:21:24 AM
I'm finding the album as a whole a little repetitive but I am only on Carnies and Halo Effect sounds like it finally breaking some new ground here.

edit: after first listen I find myself really liking the last half more than the first half. Definitely need to spin it again. BU2B2 is a throwaway track. I'm thinking it could have been an instrumental, but I guess they didn't do that. :)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 12, 2012, 09:15:38 AM
Wish Them Well is pretty repetitive, and I can see why most reviewers (prior to any of us hearing it) had it pegged as the least best song on the record, but I like it.  It is catchy and fun, and is also pretty necessary to the storyline.  It's definitely one of my least favorites thus far (along with BU2B and Halo Effect), but there are no weak spots on this record from what I can tell so far. :)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: snowdog on June 12, 2012, 09:34:05 AM
Yea or nea, The Garden is the best closing track Rush have done since at least Available Light.
Definitely.  I personally love their album closers from Rush->Presto.  Since RTB, the closers have left a lot to be desired.  It is great to finally get a good one again.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 12, 2012, 09:39:51 AM
Wish Them Well is pretty repetitive, and I can see why most reviewers (prior to any of us hearing it) had it pegged as the least best song on the record, but I like it.  It is catchy and fun, and is also pretty necessary to the storyline.  It's definitely one of my least favorites thus far (along with BU2B and Halo Effect), but there are no weak spots on this record from what I can tell so far. :)

Says us prog nerds. :lol  I think this is their best flowing album in a long, long time.  They've got all the songs in the right places, musically that is.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TAC on June 12, 2012, 09:41:35 AM
7 song into this and it is much better than S&A.
There's a certain "classic"-ness about this.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 12, 2012, 09:45:00 AM
7 song into this and it is much better than S&A.
There's a certain "classic"-ness about this.

A equate it to 2 things.

1.  Neil's agressive playing on this album.  He let loose.
2.  The separation of intruments and less overdubbing of Alex's guitars.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TAC on June 12, 2012, 09:46:51 AM
I equate it to 1 thing: it actually sounds inspired.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 12, 2012, 09:50:52 AM
I equate it to 1 thing: it actually sounds inspired.

I think that they tend to fall into the old school of the short structured songs of their youth and were not willing to stretch out a song like the 70's style and that's what a good producer like Nick did.  Push them. 

I think it's human nature to fall back on the comfortable.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on June 12, 2012, 09:51:04 AM
7 song into this and it is much better than S&A.

Listening for the first time right now as I chill and get ready to head to the city for Marillion. Sounds good. I am not a fan of Snakes so that's not hard to top for me. Snakes is one of my least favorite Rush albums.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 12, 2012, 09:52:32 AM
Hello there!

Welcome to the plane of dharma!

Living in accordance with the plane of dharma is roughly defined as "doing the right thing."

That's it.  You all know what it means.

Ride your bike, don't drive your car.

Don't kick the dog because he crapped on the floor.

Who cares?

Always, always, always, always, always, always lift the seat when you go and make...a pee. 

Uh oh.  That's better.

Just do the right thing.

Or else...YOU'RE GONNA GO TO HELL!

And that's down there.

You can do it!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on June 12, 2012, 10:04:34 AM
Hello there!

Welcome to the plane of dharma!

Living in accordance with the plane of dharma is roughly defined as "doing the right thing."

That's it.  You all know what it means.

Ride your bike, don't drive your car.

Don't kick the dog because he crapped on the floor.

Who cares?

Always, always, always, always, always, always lift the seat when you go and make...a pee. 

Uh oh.  That's better.

Just do the right thing.

Or else...YOU'RE GONNA GO TO HELL!

And that's down there.

You can do it!
(https://i548.photobucket.com/albums/ii324/jawkjaw/mixed%20bag/neil-peart-red-rocks-corbis-660-80-1.jpg?t=1339516971)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 12, 2012, 12:05:26 PM
Cool interview with Neil:

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/q-a-neil-peart-on-rushs-new-lp-and-being-a-bleeding-heart-libertarian-20120612

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 12, 2012, 12:33:59 PM
Interesting that Neil says they have the next two years mapped out.  Makes me wonder if they will take a few months off next year after the UK tour and tour for another 8-10 months after that.  That brings up the possibility of them playing all of the new album, just not all on the same leg.  They could do 7-8 songs in the next year, and then when they tour again after the break next year, do another 7-8 songs, meaning they could play all of the album, just on different legs, and with a few of the songs overlapping (like Caravan, Headlong Fight, maybe the title track).  That would be awesome, as it would allow both legs to have well-rounded set lists, featuring the usual standards, a lot of new songs and a handful or so of deep cuts for the diehards, and without playing the whole album at once, which would inevitably annoy the older fans who only want the classics played.  It would be the best of both worlds!  :) :) :)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 12, 2012, 01:41:00 PM
They seem to like touring more than they ever had before and I love it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 12, 2012, 02:56:56 PM
Look what I just got in the mail from Burning Shed!!!

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v153/MarkyMarc/20120612164314.jpg)
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v153/MarkyMarc/20120612164320.jpg)
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v153/MarkyMarc/20120612164405.jpg)

Can't wait to read the whole thing tonight!!!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TAC on June 12, 2012, 03:44:17 PM
I have this to say.. I haven't like a Rush album ths much  after two listens since Counterparts..and before that it was Moving Pictures!

And Headlong Flight is the most kick ass thing this band this band has done in a long FUCKING time!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on June 12, 2012, 03:56:58 PM
I really didn't expect to love this like I do. The last three albums have been awful in my opinion and I thought they'd lost it. I thought Geddy's voice had gone and that was why he was warbling away on the last two. How wrong I was.
Geddy is back and they've put time into writing choruses again.

I have some issues with the production but it's minor. Can't stop playing it and even my kids like it (they're 5 and 2).

I'm still not paying £80  to see them next year but they got my money for this.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on June 12, 2012, 04:06:49 PM
the beginning of the Wreckers sounds a lot like Working at Perfect from Geddy's solo album... around 0:15 -->
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TAC on June 12, 2012, 04:10:43 PM
the beginning of the Wreckers sounds a lot like Working at Perfect from Geddy's solo album... around 0:15 -->
The Wreckers is what Power Windows would've sounded like with guitars.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 12, 2012, 04:21:36 PM
This is what happens when you get a producer that pushes the band and they buy in.  He was a little timid on the last album but took the bulls by the horns on this album.  Great to see the boys respond like this.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TAC on June 12, 2012, 04:26:38 PM
This is what happens when you get a producer that pushes the band and they buy in.  He was a little timid on the last album but took the bulls by the horns on this album.  Great to see the boys respond like this.
Is this the same guy that did S&A? Cool.
Can you blame him for being timid? Imaging having to tell Neil "play that part again, that take was no good!" :lol
I will say that S&A sounds amazing.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 12, 2012, 04:32:53 PM
wasnt digging the first listen through. gotta listen more
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 12, 2012, 04:37:31 PM
I'd love to see the studio stuff for this album.  I know there was a little snippet online.

Edit.  Found it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kYXM7daTxo&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on June 12, 2012, 05:31:24 PM
Got this in the mail today with Born and Raised. Really loving it so far! I have so much 2012 music to catch up on...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 12, 2012, 05:49:35 PM
So, just to confirm what I posted earlier, the regular retail version is indeed different than the Classic Rock Fan Pack version, which is a more deluxe-type digi-book version, with the album booklet embedded into the case itself.

How do I know for sure?! I have both versions :tup

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Scrub206 on June 12, 2012, 06:00:51 PM
Look what I just got in the mail from Burning Shed!!!

*snippppp*

Can't wait to read the whole thing tonight!!!

-Marc.

YEAH! i got this package too! mine came in friday  :metal I wish they didnt put the posters on the backs of eachother... saddd




Also The Garden <33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on June 12, 2012, 06:28:34 PM
So with anyone else's copy, are all of the track times on the back of the case listed as 0:00?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: SeventhSon on June 12, 2012, 06:29:56 PM
Picked this up today after resisting the siren call of the leak. Granted, I heard Caravan and BU2B when they were first released as well as on the road, and I checked the Headlong Flight video out and the title track when it was released, but that's all. I just sat down with the CD in the player, and read through the booklet while I listened. The whole thing is great, one of those albums that's greater than the sum of its parts. I love the little prose parts in the lyric book for each song, detailing what's happening in the song and where the story's going. It got me really excited to read the novel when it comes out. The artwork is very evocative and gorgeously done, and I felt quite immersed in the world created by the music and the words.


I'm not entirely sure where it sits with me in their whole chronology, but it's a very good album.

And yep, my track times are all 0:00. I actually checked another copy at the store to make sure mine wasn't a misprint.  :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 12, 2012, 06:49:43 PM
Picked this up today after resisting the siren call of the leak. Granted, I heard Caravan and BU2B when they were first released as well as on the road, and I checked the Headlong Flight video out and the title track when it was released, but that's all. I just sat down with the CD in the player, and read through the booklet while I listened. The whole thing is great, one of those albums that's greater than the sum of its parts. I love the little prose parts in the lyric book for each song, detailing what's happening in the song and where the story's going. It got me really excited to read the novel when it comes out. The artwork is very evocative and gorgeously done, and I felt quite immersed in the world created by the music and the words.


   Looking through the booklet has gotten me intrigued to know more about the story. The artwork is fascinating. I'm definitely getting the Novel.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 12, 2012, 07:37:29 PM
So, I've been going through the booklet, and apparently the symbols don't technically ALL match-up with the songs, i.e. 12 O'Clock is "Caravan", 1 O'Clock is "BU2B"...it works up til "The Anarchist" because "i The Pedlar 1" uses the symbol at 3 O'Clock, while "The Anarchist" uses the symbol at 4 O'Clock.

The clock rights itself with "Seven Cities Of Gold", which uses a symbol (Gold) not seen on the clock, a circle with a dot in it, while "Halo Effect" uses the symbol at 6 O'Clock, the symbol for Sun. After that, the symbols work their way uninterrupted. Here's the complete list:
Caravan                      Copper
BU2B                           Sulphur/Brimstone
Clockwork Angels     Annealing
i - The Pedlar 1      Mercury
The Anarchist            Winter
Carnies                Zinc 
Halo Effect               Sun
Seven Cities Of Gold Gold
The Wreckers              Aquarius
Headlong Flight           Oil Essence
ii - The Pedlar 2    Mercury
BU2B2                   Neptune
Wish Them Well        Gold
The Garden          Water

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 12, 2012, 07:39:15 PM
And I beg of people, if you like the Rush album/novel, PLEASE check out Roswell Six/Terra Incognita.

This whole thing was already done by KJA with a trilogy called Terra Incognita, and it's a fantastic fantasy series. And the first two novels were written along with albums made with prog-rock musicians under the moniker Roswell Six. The first album, Beyond the Horizon, features James LaBrie and is fantastic.

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 12, 2012, 07:41:53 PM
And on a completely unrelated topic, Headlong Flight has really grown on me (as has much of the album), but does anyone else also get annoyed by the crap that sounds like Mario collecting coins at the one part?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 12, 2012, 07:44:55 PM
And on a completely unrelated topic, Headlong Flight has really grown on me (as has much of the album), but does anyone else also get annoyed by the crap that sounds like Mario collecting coins at the one part?

   Around what time is that? I'll have to re-listen.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 12, 2012, 08:07:30 PM
Start at 2:05.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mosh on June 12, 2012, 08:21:24 PM
I kind of like that noise.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on June 12, 2012, 08:24:11 PM
Geddy's bass tone on this album makes my vagina wet.

So nothing new.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on June 12, 2012, 08:49:05 PM
Listening for the first time now. Musically, it is spectacular. But the mixing/production is horrible. The bass sounds awesome, vocals are ok but the guitar and drums sound horrible.

Shame, I love the music itself. But the production really is just so.... lame. Still have half of the album left though!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 12, 2012, 08:53:29 PM
Listening for the first time now. Musically, it is spectacular. But the mixing/production is horrible. The bass sounds awesome, vocals are ok but the guitar and drums sound horrible.

Welcome to kinda the exact post I made like 2 or 3 days ago. :D

Not knockin ya, just humored how you can come to the exact same conclusion.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on June 12, 2012, 08:57:03 PM
Listening for the first time now. Musically, it is spectacular. But the mixing/production is horrible. The bass sounds awesome, vocals are ok but the guitar and drums sound horrible.

Welcome to kinda the exact post I made like 2 or 3 days ago. :D

Not knockin ya, just humored how you can come to the exact same conclusion.

I read your post a couple days ago, but that is really the first impression it left on me after a couple songs. There is just no punch to it. Snakes and Arrows's production had so much more of a kick to it. It is kind of making the album feel underwhelming, even though musically it is awesome. I think it is gonna be a grower for that reason.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 12, 2012, 09:11:42 PM
Listening for the first time now. Musically, it is spectacular. But the mixing/production is horrible. The bass sounds awesome, vocals are ok but the guitar and drums sound horrible.

Welcome to kinda the exact post I made like 2 or 3 days ago. :D

Not knockin ya, just humored how you can come to the exact same conclusion.

I read your post a couple days ago, but that is really the first impression it left on me after a couple songs. There is just no punch to it. Snakes and Arrows's production had so much more of a kick to it. It is kind of making the album feel underwhelming, even though musically it is awesome. I think it is gonna be a grower for that reason.

Completely agree. Breaking through the production barrier has helped me enjoy the album more and more. It's one of those scenarios though that really makes me sad, because you think... if we could have had this album musically, combined with the sonic punch of Snakes... man, that would have been amazing.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Implode on June 12, 2012, 09:34:44 PM
Tomorrow, I might accidentally buy 2 CD's and the vinyl if all are available.

And I did it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 12, 2012, 09:59:52 PM
And on a completely unrelated topic, Headlong Flight has really grown on me (as has much of the album), but does anyone else also get annoyed by the crap that sounds like Mario collecting coins at the one part?

What, what, what?!?!?  That part is awesome, with that dirty electric playing that cool melody, and it is cool at the end of the song when it plays underneath the first part of the final chorus as well. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 12, 2012, 10:03:12 PM
FYI, Best Buy has the album on sale for $9.99, while most retailers will have the album for $11.99. My Best Buy had over 2 dozen in stock, both on the "New Releases" end-cap, and filed in the normal R-Rush slot.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 12, 2012, 10:11:04 PM
And on a completely unrelated topic, Headlong Flight has really grown on me (as has much of the album), but does anyone else also get annoyed by the crap that sounds like Mario collecting coins at the one part?

What, what, what?!?!?  That part is awesome, with that dirty electric playing that cool melody, and it is cool at the end of the song when it plays underneath the first part of the final chorus as well. 

Oh, I love the rest of that section, just don't like that particular sound effect.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on June 12, 2012, 10:46:33 PM
Listening for the first time now. Musically, it is spectacular. But the mixing/production is horrible. The bass sounds awesome, vocals are ok but the guitar and drums sound horrible.

Shame, I love the music itself. But the production really is just so.... lame. Still have half of the album left though!

Post this on TRF, they'll have your balls.  :omg:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nel on June 12, 2012, 10:49:22 PM
I'm about halfway through. On Seven Cities Of Gold now. I'd say it's about on the same levels as Snakes And Arrows. Some okay songs, but nothing that really interests me. The bass is really good, but everything else sounds kind of... distant/muffled? I don't know.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on June 12, 2012, 11:29:28 PM
I would have liked Peart to be more forward in the mix, but other than that, I have no gripes with the production. It sounds good to me.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on June 12, 2012, 11:49:22 PM
Listening for the first time now. Musically, it is spectacular. But the mixing/production is horrible. The bass sounds awesome, vocals are ok but the guitar and drums sound horrible.

Shame, I love the music itself. But the production really is just so.... lame. Still have half of the album left though!

Post this on TRF, they'll have your balls.  :omg:

Why, because I like the album or because I hate the production?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 12, 2012, 11:51:18 PM
So after hearing the whole album, I still stand by the setlist I created for the CA tour on page 76, with a few changes:

Freewill
Workin' Them Angels
Distant Early Warning
Manhattan Project
Seven Cities Of Gold
Headlong Flight
The Pass
YYZ
Prime Mover
Closer To The Heart
Dreamline

Caravan
BU2B
Clockwork Angels
The Anarchist
Carnies
Subdivisions
Limelight
Middletown Dreams
The Wreckers
Xanadu
Drum Solo
Tom Sawyer
Far Cry
La Villa Strangiato
The Spirit Of Radio

Encore:
2112

Say what you want about the whole 2112 song for the encore, but the way I see it, they've been playing the first 2 parts a whole step down and it seems to be working for them.....and since temples of syrinx is the hardest part to sing, they could do the rest of the song I think.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterLomaxus on June 13, 2012, 12:01:24 AM
The album has grown on me quite considerably.  Once I read the booklet along with the music, it seemed to really enhance it for me.  Right now, my least enjoyed songs are:  Wish Them Well, Headlong Flight, and probably BU2B. 

The Wreckers, The Anarchist, and The Garden are my most enjoyed so far.

On a side not here,  0:57-1:10 of The Anarchist reminds me of some NES game for some reason.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on June 13, 2012, 12:48:46 AM
Wish Them Well is my least favorite on first listen. Rest is a pretty nice guy.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Vivace on June 13, 2012, 12:50:23 AM
I agree that the album has a "disjointed" sound it. Drums are not punchy and the guitar is a bit loud like it has been for the last 2 albums. Also I'm not getting that same "classic" vibe as others. Actually it sounds a lot like a more upbeat version of Snakes and Arrows. All in all though, this is a great album and definitely an album that will grow and grow like Snakes and Arrows did.

And yes, The Garden is DEFINITELY the *best* closer they have done since Available Light in my mind. What an awesome song. In a lot of ways, The Garden is probably my favorite off the whole album.  :tup
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 13, 2012, 01:06:10 AM
For those keeping track, here's what I've found out about CA's various releases:
-Classic Rock Presents: Rush, Clockwork Angels Fan Pack (CD in larger-than-average Digi-Book Hardcover Case, comes with Poster and key-chain)
-Standard Retail Release Digi-pak (CD artwork itself is different than Fan Pack)
-Standard Retail Release Digi-pak with misprinted Track-Times on the back (All times read 0:00)
-Standard Retail Release Jewel Case (spotted at Wal*Marts, possibly elsewhere)
-2LP Vinyl Gate-fold Cover
-Audiophile 96kHz/24bit format from HDTracks

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: theseoafs on June 13, 2012, 01:06:55 AM
Just finished my first listen! I'm sorry to say it didn't really live up to my (admittedly very high) expectations but it's still the best Rush album since... Hold Your Fire? I was expecting something on the God tier, and though it's not quite there, I really enjoyed it.

Unfortunately I most enjoyed the 4 pre-release tracks, Caravan, BU2B, Headlong Flight, and Clockwork Angels. Nothing else on the album really grabbed me as much as those four, though I greatly enjoyed The Wreckers, Halo Effect, and The Garden.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on June 13, 2012, 01:51:08 AM
After one day, there are already 68 reviews up on Amazon for CA; 54 of them are 5 star reviews.  Best line, though, comes from a 1 star review where a guy is dissing Neil's playing:

"I sometimes wonder if his afro-centric hat distracts his playing."

lol  :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 13, 2012, 06:20:38 AM
it seems that most of the album will have to be a grower for me cause i wasn't too thrilled with any of the new stuff. still a big fan of caravan, BU2B, and headlong flight though.


favorite moment is that first chorus of headlong flight. dat bass drop
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on June 13, 2012, 06:57:39 AM
I think it definitely takes a few more listens before the other songs really click.  For me its their best since Counterparts.  I think its already surpassed S&A even though that album was very strong. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 13, 2012, 07:14:47 AM
CA is definitely a grower.  Wasn't sure what to think on the first listen, but I have liked it more and more with each listen, to the point where I now love it.

      As of right now It's pretty much stuck in my head most of the day.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 13, 2012, 07:35:54 AM
Since the album splits up so nicely, I have a couple of questions for everyone.

Favorite song from Side A?

Favorite song from Side B?

Favorite song from Side C?

Favorite song from Side D?

Side A or B?

Side C or D?

Vinyl 1 or 2?

Here's the breakdown for reference:
Vinyl 1
Side A
1. Caravan
2. BU2B
3. Clockwork Angels

Side B
4. The Anarchist
5. Carnies
6. Halo Effect

Vinyl 2
Side C
7. Seven Cities Of Gold
8. The Wreckers
9. Headlong Flight

Side D
10. BU2B2
11. Wish Them Well
12. The Garden
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: countoftuscany42 on June 13, 2012, 07:37:29 AM
Does anyone know which version comes on amazon? Want the digi-pak but haven't seen any retailer that specifies the version it carries. Thanks!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 13, 2012, 07:39:18 AM
And my personal picks:
Favorite song from Side A?
Caravan
Favorite song from Side B?
Carnies
Favorite song from Side C?
The Wreckers
Favorite song from Side D?
The Garden
Side A or B?
Side A
Side C or D?
TCTC.
Vinyl 1 or 2?
Vinyl 2

I have to say, the reason I made up these random questions is just because I've found this album so well balanced, it really has some great strengths running throughout, and there are no prolonged lulls as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 13, 2012, 08:05:27 AM
A- BU2B
B- Carnies
C- Headlong Flight
D- The Garden

Side A Over B
Side C Over D
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 13, 2012, 08:07:48 AM
So after hearing the whole album, I still stand by the setlist I created for the CA tour on page 76, with a few changes:

Freewill
Workin' Them Angels
Distant Early Warning
Manhattan Project
Seven Cities Of Gold
Headlong Flight
The Pass
YYZ
Prime Mover
Closer To The Heart
Dreamline

Caravan
BU2B
Clockwork Angels
The Anarchist
Carnies
Subdivisions
Limelight
Middletown Dreams
The Wreckers
Xanadu
Drum Solo
Tom Sawyer
Far Cry
La Villa Strangiato
The Spirit Of Radio

Encore:
2112

Say what you want about the whole 2112 song for the encore, but the way I see it, they've been playing the first 2 parts a whole step down and it seems to be working for them.....and since temples of syrinx is the hardest part to sing, they could do the rest of the song I think.

Looks great, but way too many songs.  With some of the songs on the new album being longer, they could very well go from playing 25-27 songs to 22-23, especially if they play all of 2112 (which takes up 20 minutes).
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on June 13, 2012, 08:29:03 AM
So having had a bit of time with the album, I'm absolutely loving it. It may be better than Snakes and Arrows, and I really like Snakes and Arrows.

The mix/mastering could be better, but I'm getting used to it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on June 13, 2012, 09:23:21 AM
Listening for the first time now. Musically, it is spectacular. But the mixing/production is horrible. The bass sounds awesome, vocals are ok but the guitar and drums sound horrible.

Shame, I love the music itself. But the production really is just so.... lame. Still have half of the album left though!

Post this on TRF, they'll have your balls.  :omg:

Why, because I like the album or because I hate the production?

Because you hate the production.  The Rushheads are in no mood to tolerate any criticism of CA... many are saying it is an "instant classic".  CA is good, IMO, but the production is a let-down yet it doesn't get in the way of me enjoying the album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on June 13, 2012, 09:28:51 AM
Sides B &C ftw.

Strong album though and how I never thought I would be saying that!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 13, 2012, 09:40:16 AM
I'm so glad my ears can't distinguish between bad production and good production.

    I've never had a problem with any album, production wise.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on June 13, 2012, 10:13:07 AM
I'm so glad my ears can't distinguish between bad production and good production.

I've never had a problem with any album, production wise.

(https://puu.sh/AG6L)

Just messing with ya... I'm not a big "production" guy, either.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on June 13, 2012, 11:05:12 AM
A-Clockwork Angels
B-The Anarchist (I think)
C-Headlong Flight
D-The Garden
Side A
Side C
Vinyl 1
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 13, 2012, 11:36:54 AM
highlights for me:
geddy's bass playing
alex's guitar solos
still love that headlong flight 'stoke the fire' chorus
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Vivace on June 13, 2012, 11:44:44 AM
Second listen and this album is definitely growing, unfortunately the production on this album is quite bad in my opinion. Neil's drums are so mixed down there are moments where I can barely hear them, and especially after learning that Neil put a lot of work into the drums. That's the biggest disappointment of the whole album which I figured they would have learned after Vapor Trails.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on June 13, 2012, 01:25:13 PM
For those keeping track, here's what I've found out about CA's various releases:
-Classic Rock Presents: Rush, Clockwork Angels Fan Pack (CD in larger-than-average Digi-Book Hardcover Case, comes with Poster and key-chain)
-Standard Retail Release Digi-pak (CD artwork itself is different than Fan Pack)
-Standard Retail Release Digi-pak with misprinted Track-Times on the back (All times read 0:00)
-Standard Retail Release Jewel Case (spotted at Wal*Marts, possibly elsewhere)
-2LP Vinyl Gate-fold Cover
-Audiophile 96kHz/24bit format from HDTracks

-Marc.

I'd like to get may hands on one of those misprinted copies. I'll make it worth your while.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 13, 2012, 01:31:06 PM
So after hearing the whole album, I still stand by the setlist I created for the CA tour on page 76, with a few changes:

Freewill
Workin' Them Angels
Distant Early Warning
Manhattan Project
Seven Cities Of Gold
Headlong Flight
The Pass
YYZ
Prime Mover
Closer To The Heart
Dreamline

Caravan
BU2B
Clockwork Angels
The Anarchist
Carnies
Subdivisions
Limelight
Middletown Dreams
The Wreckers
Xanadu
Drum Solo
Tom Sawyer
Far Cry
La Villa Strangiato
The Spirit Of Radio

Encore:
2112

Say what you want about the whole 2112 song for the encore, but the way I see it, they've been playing the first 2 parts a whole step down and it seems to be working for them.....and since temples of syrinx is the hardest part to sing, they could do the rest of the song I think.

Looks great, but way too many songs.  With some of the songs on the new album being longer, they could very well go from playing 25-27 songs to 22-23, especially if they play all of 2112 (which takes up 20 minutes).

Ah, this is true!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: WindMaster on June 13, 2012, 01:31:16 PM
Side A: Clockwork Angels
Side B: The Anarchist, with Halo Effect as a close second.
Side C: ALL OF THEM
Side D: The Garden
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on June 13, 2012, 07:22:44 PM
I don't get the complaints about the drums.  I think they punch through pretty clearly when it counts.  Halo Effect is the only one I think has a problem...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 13, 2012, 07:25:34 PM
I don't get the complaints about the drums.  I think they punch through pretty clearly when it counts.  Halo Effect is the only one I think has a problem...

Me too.  I'm so immersed in everything that I don't notice all the things other are nit picking about.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on June 13, 2012, 07:53:55 PM
Throughout the day, I've found myself humming or whistling parts of songs from CA. Yes, part of this is no doubt because of how many times I've listened to it in a short span of time, but it also just has some really great melodies.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: countoftuscany42 on June 13, 2012, 08:16:33 PM
Does anyone know which version comes on amazon? Want the digi-pak but haven't seen any retailer that specifies the version it carries. Thanks!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on June 13, 2012, 09:04:59 PM
I hope they drop Caravan/BU2B for other songs. they played them the last two legs
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 13, 2012, 09:06:07 PM
I hope they drop Caravan/BU2B for other songs. they played them the last two legs

While I share your hope, I find the possibility to be highly unlikely, and doubly unlikely for Caravan.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 13, 2012, 09:53:40 PM
I hope they drop Caravan/BU2B for other songs. they played them the last two legs

While I share your hope, I find the possibility to be highly unlikely, and doubly unlikely for Caravan.

Perhaps they can open the encore with "Caravan"!!! :neverusethis:

(I'm looking at YOU, "Far Cry"...)

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 13, 2012, 10:38:58 PM
I don't get the complaints about the drums.  I think they punch through pretty clearly when it counts.  Halo Effect is the only one I think has a problem...

Me too.  I'm so immersed in everything that I don't notice all the things other are nit picking about.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 13, 2012, 10:47:29 PM
I don't get the complaints about the drums.  I think they punch through pretty clearly when it counts.  Halo Effect is the only one I think has a problem...

Me too.  I'm so immersed in everything that I don't notice all the things other are nit picking about.

See, I'm the opposite. With most other bands I probably wouldn't be bothered as much by this, but because it's Rush I take notice to all the little things. No matter how much I ended up liking or disliking this album, it was sure to be my most picked apart of the year.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Vivace on June 14, 2012, 01:47:18 AM
I don't get the complaints about the drums.  I think they punch through pretty clearly when it counts.  Halo Effect is the only one I think has a problem...

Me too.  I'm so immersed in everything that I don't notice all the things other are nit picking about.

See, I'm the opposite. With most other bands I probably wouldn't be bothered as much by this, but because it's Rush I take notice to all the little things. No matter how much I ended up liking or disliking this album, it was sure to be my most picked apart of the year.

The biggest issue going into this album when it comes to the drums is when you know how the drums are supposed to sound thanks such sonically produced albums like Counterparts, Power Windows, and Hold Your Fire, to name a few. Neil's drumming isn't just a background beat as it is for most bands, he is an essential element to every song written and without his distinctive style and drumming, the song itself does end up sounding unfinished or incomplete. When I hear Hold Your Fire or Counterparts, I just can't get enough of Neil's parts on these albums that I tend to forget about the bass and guitar. So when I heard Vapor Trails and just how muddy the drums were, it was a huge disappointment. But with Snakes and Arrows, the drums were clearer, more pronounced. With CA, I'm reminded of Vapor Trails again with the drums getting muddied, especially when I know he's going all out and especially when I know they could have been produced a lot better than they came out. They're not horrible, but they are definitely a step back from Snakes and Arrows in my mind. Sure it's nitpicking a little, but in the case of Rush and the drums, I think this kind of nitpicking should be obvious.  ;)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 14, 2012, 05:18:52 AM
No, no guys.  I heard it too but it's not as bad as VT and the music in downright engaging so I tend to gloss over the nitpicking I would do.  It's just the modern music world we live in and I thing to be honest, that's how Rush stays relevent.  They stay with the times.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 14, 2012, 05:57:20 AM
I don't get the complaints about the drums.  I think they punch through pretty clearly when it counts.  Halo Effect is the only one I think has a problem...

Me too.  I'm so immersed in everything that I don't notice all the things other are nit picking about.

See, I'm the opposite. With most other bands I probably wouldn't be bothered as much by this, but because it's Rush I take notice to all the little things. No matter how much I ended up liking or disliking this album, it was sure to be my most picked apart of the year.

The biggest issue going into this album when it comes to the drums is when you know how the drums are supposed to sound thanks such sonically produced albums like Counterparts, Power Windows, and Hold Your Fire, to name a few. Neil's drumming isn't just a background beat as it is for most bands, he is an essential element to every song written and without his distinctive style and drumming, the song itself does end up sounding unfinished or incomplete. When I hear Hold Your Fire or Counterparts, I just can't get enough of Neil's parts on these albums that I tend to forget about the bass and guitar. So when I heard Vapor Trails and just how muddy the drums were, it was a huge disappointment. But with Snakes and Arrows, the drums were clearer, more pronounced. With CA, I'm reminded of Vapor Trails again with the drums getting muddied, especially when I know he's going all out and especially when I know they could have been produced a lot better than they came out. They're not horrible, but they are definitely a step back from Snakes and Arrows in my mind. Sure it's nitpicking a little, but in the case of Rush and the drums, I think this kind of nitpicking should be obvious.  ;)

Excellent post, and I completely agree.

No, no guys.  I heard it too but it's not as bad as VT and the music in downright engaging so I tend to gloss over the nitpicking I would do.  It's just the modern music world we live in and I thing to be honest, that's how Rush stays relevent.  They stay with the times.

"Staying with the times" is not an excuse to put out a sonically poor album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 14, 2012, 06:03:05 AM
CA could have sounded better, but it's nothing like Vapor Trails; it sounds significantly better.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 14, 2012, 06:14:51 AM
Nick, young modern producer's style.  It's the mordern sound to push the levels.  At least the is for the most part, separation in the instruments.  That's because of less overdubbing by Alex.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 14, 2012, 06:29:03 AM
CA could have sounded better, but it's nothing like Vapor Trails; it sounds significantly better.

It does sound a good bit better, but not as good as it should.

Nick, young modern producer's style.  It's the mordern sound to push the levels.  At least the is for the most part, separation in the instruments.  That's because of less overdubbing by Alex.

Once again, while I understand that it's the "style" right now, it's not an excuse for poor sound.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 14, 2012, 07:08:19 AM
TERRIBLE ANALOGY OF THE DAY!

That's right, it's time for everyone's favorite daily segment!

Let's say we're talking about hiking. The new style that all the big hiking gear producers are pushing is short shorts and a tank top with no bug spray or sun protection. A young hiker might stay with the times and pull off that look brilliantly, but at the end of the day he's going to have poison right up to his junk, sunburn on his back, and bug bites everywhere.

What I'm saying is, take 2 seconds to think for yourself and don't try to pull off a style that blows. One of the amazing things about Rush, through all their changes, is they took the best of what an era had to offer and put it into their sound while still sounding like Rush, and at the end of the day they always had great sounding records, until Vapor Trails, when they let the industry control them instead of them controlling the industry.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 14, 2012, 07:22:33 AM
Nick, did you ever think they want this sound?  Hey I'm with you on the loudness war but they still might like it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 14, 2012, 07:38:45 AM
Nick, did you ever think they want this sound?  Hey I'm with you on the loudness war but they still might like it.

I suppose that's a possibility, though they've now spoken their regrets about Vapor Trails, so hopefully not. Whether oversight or intentional, in the end it's a strike against the album and Rush. Not that it's terrible, after all there are so few faults I have to spend time discussing the ones I can find at length. :)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 14, 2012, 07:48:51 AM
Oh yeah. I know their regret over VT but this isn't as close as VT.  That's for sure.  I think all that layering with guitars and vocals muddled it even worse on VT.  But hey!  I'm enjoying the hell out of this CD.  And at least no matter how bad it sounds they still put their craft into every song.  not many bands with their longevity do that at all.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nekov on June 14, 2012, 08:12:50 AM
Well, CA is growing better. Still not what I was expecting but I'm learning to appreciate it more.  :)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 14, 2012, 08:33:19 AM
there's still many songs that are very boring to me, and alex usually comes in to the rescue with a solo, then it goes back to boring. wish them well is definitely my least favorite. not digging it
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on June 14, 2012, 11:48:21 AM
The guitar at 0:16 in The Wreckers reminds me a lot of the intro to Pinball Wizard (The Who). It just struck me.
 
Edit: Wrong song by The Who. I meant Anyway, Anyhow, Anywhere.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: crazyaga on June 14, 2012, 11:49:08 AM
i listened to some rush today for the first time.
they are pretty good
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nekov on June 14, 2012, 11:53:33 AM
they are pretty good

Understatement of the year
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: crazyaga on June 14, 2012, 11:57:17 AM
i heard only moving pictures and the first 2 songs of their newest albums....
from what i heard meanwhile, they deserve only pretty good :P
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on June 14, 2012, 12:21:11 PM
No, no guys.  I heard it too but it's not as bad as VT and the music in downright engaging so I tend to gloss over the nitpicking I would do.  It's just the modern music world we live in and I thing to be honest, that's how Rush stays relevent.  They stay with the times.
For the past 5-6 years though, aside from pop, the trend has been going the other way, with many bands putting out records with good range and separation. Many have learned from the early 2000s and have stopped doing it. Overcompressing an album isn't 'with the times' at this point. Heck, the trend was already reversing around the time Snakes and Arrows came out.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 14, 2012, 12:47:26 PM
We are talking rock music in general so from most of what I've heard in the past 5 years that statement is not true.  I hope your right but for the most part, it isn't.  But in general, I don't let is spoil my listening pleasure.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Vivace on June 14, 2012, 02:14:28 PM
Maybe my headphones are crap. Who knows. I mean if the vast majority are not as disappointed in the production then it's definitely possible I just have junk headphones.  :-[
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 14, 2012, 02:35:03 PM
I assure you, there are problems with the production, at least 4 different people in this thread have pointed to nearly identical issues.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on June 14, 2012, 02:40:21 PM
Yeah, its definitely the production and not the user end. I don't expect many people to really care because most people don't pay attention to or care about things like that. Little things on the production side always stick out to me though. But the production is really bad. I have to admit I like that Geddy is high in the mix, but not at the cost of everything else being buried and sounding like shit.

Curious if anyone who has the vinyl can report on the sound quality? I'm not expecting much of a jump, if any, but I am curious and interested in buying it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on June 14, 2012, 03:21:28 PM
The production definitely isn't Vapor Trails bad, and it's not enough to really hinder enjoyment of the album. It's just disappointing.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 14, 2012, 03:48:53 PM
I wonder if the .FLAC HDTracks are worth it, then, if the production is a bit different on those.

Anyone here willing to splurge the $20 for them and let us know?!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on June 14, 2012, 04:45:05 PM
Just wanted to throw in this quote from Rob Caggiano of Anthrax about Bravado on RTB.  It's very thoughtful and supports what i was saying earlier in the Rush threads about RTB being Neil's masterpiece:



"I'll preface this by saying that I pretty much love every single thing Rush has ever done over the years. The band's greatness and the depth and scope of their career really came into perspective for me while trying to figure out which one of their songs to talk about here. I literally didn't know where to begin! Ultimately I ended up going with a tune called "Bravado" off of the album Roll The Bones. It's a record I've been listening to a lot lately and "Bravado" is one of the standout tracks. As a lot of Rush songs do, "Bravado" really takes me somewhere else when I listen to it. It's an epic song. I love the overall "mood" created by Alex Lifeson's airy but "dark" guitar parts and Geddy Lee's driving bass and somber vocals. However, the thing that really stands out for me with this tune is Neil Peart's drum arrangement! It's one of the most "musical" drum parts of his whole career in my opinion. Neil's playing is crisp, clean and precise as always but his sense of dynamics and musicality here is just staggering. The way he plays off of Geddy's vocal phrasing/melody is both masterful and mind-blowing. It's also a perfect example of the balance that can be had between technical restraint and technical prowess. If I was a drummer, I would study the shit out of this song!"
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: SystematicThought on June 14, 2012, 04:50:47 PM
I wonder if the .FLAC HDTracks are worth it, then, if the production is a bit different on those.

Anyone here willing to splurge the $20 for them and let us know?!

-Marc.
Over on MP's forum, a poster said that the HDTracks version isn't much better
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on June 14, 2012, 05:29:43 PM
Bravado is my favorite off of RTB and one of my favorite Rush songs.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 14, 2012, 08:54:50 PM
I wonder if the .FLAC HDTracks are worth it, then, if the production is a bit different on those.

Anyone here willing to splurge the $20 for them and let us know?!

-Marc.
Over on MP's forum, a poster said that the HDTracks version isn't much better

Lame... it's ironic because the band (or as Alex was known to have said) were going to remaster VT and package it with CA.... now I guess those who are bothered by CA's production can wait for the remasters of VT and CA!

Maybe we'll get Sector 4 from Atlantic, which would include their albums from Presto to VT? S&A wouldn't need remastering...or at least it shouldn't.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Curious Orange on June 15, 2012, 06:30:13 AM
Fanpack just arrived. Can't wait to get home to listen to it!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on June 15, 2012, 08:34:13 AM
Still havn't got my package from Roadrunner...but at least I got the download.

It's only a high rate MP3...   But even with that I can tell that it sounds a ZILLION times better than Vapor Trails.  I will admit that it seems to be mixed a little hotter than S&A, but I'm not finding the sound quality to be "grating" or anything (like it was on VT). 

Great album so far...still need to digest.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TAC on June 15, 2012, 09:18:16 AM
Bravado is easily one of my least favorite songs from Rush. Such a disappointing album, especially after how much I actually liked Presto.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 15, 2012, 09:18:48 AM
So... much... wrong... with... post...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 15, 2012, 09:20:52 AM
Bravado is incredible.  Any opinion other than that is mystifying.

Oh, and while Wish Them Well might not be one of the best songs musically on Clockwork Angels, it is lyrically magnificent.  I love how it works in the story, yet can also be taken out and applied to everyday life for many of us. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 15, 2012, 09:22:01 AM
Bravado is incredible.  Any opinion other than that is mystifying.

Oh, and while Wish Them Well might not be one of the best songs musically on Clockwork Angels, it is lyrically magnificent.  I love how it works in the story, yet can also be taken out and applied to everyday life for many of us. 

While musically I've come to place it lower than I initially did (4th), I agree about the story/lyric part. It's part of what makes The Garden fantastic as well.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TAC on June 15, 2012, 09:34:20 AM
Bravado is incredible.  Any opinion other than that is mystifying.
Prepare to be mystified! :D

Bravado isn't in the same league as The Garden.

The Garden is brilliant.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: WindMaster on June 15, 2012, 10:45:52 AM
If anyone wants to get the HD tracks, enter the code "Rush20" to get a 20% discount.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Dr. DTVT on June 15, 2012, 12:40:58 PM
Near 50 minute interview with Geddy and Alex about Clockwork Angels.  It wasn't on the last two pages, so if it's a repost, I don't give a damn.

https://w.soundcloud.com/player/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.soundcloud.com%2Ftracks%2F49340825&show_artwork=true (https://w.soundcloud.com/player/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.soundcloud.com%2Ftracks%2F49340825&show_artwork=true)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 15, 2012, 12:41:50 PM
I can't listen at work but I bet that's the Billy Corgan interview.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Dr. DTVT on June 15, 2012, 12:42:10 PM
I can't listen at work but I bet that's the Billy Corgan interview.

It is.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on June 15, 2012, 01:08:20 PM
A mod on TRF made some adjustments to The Anarchist.  I feel this is an improvement over the album, but that's just listening on my PC's Klipsch speakers.

Here's the thread about it: https://www.therushforum.com/index.php?showtopic=74989
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 15, 2012, 01:31:42 PM
been hearing headlong flight on the radio, bot terrestrial and sattelite, lately. pretty cool
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on June 15, 2012, 08:04:55 PM
The way I feel right now...The Garden is the best album closer since Natural Science.    Yes I'm serious.   With all due respect to Available Light and Between the Wheels.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Vivace on June 16, 2012, 12:51:30 AM
that remaster does actually improve the drums. It's not as good as Snakes and Arrows, but it's very very close. I may actually edit the whole album per the standards given on that site and listen again.

Excellent link!

edit: nevermind i was able to figure some of it out. can't figure out the multiband compressor. I did do a small tweek with Carnies using the link presets and it did give a small noticeable improvement. Basically it just removed the harshness of the bass and guitar and gives a little more punch to the drums. in the end it's about the best anyone can do, but it does make a difference in the end.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Vivace on June 16, 2012, 06:47:25 AM
After a few listens....

this is easily Rush's best album since Counterparts, however as an aside, I still think everything after Counterparts, including Clockwork Angels isn't nearly as brilliant. Counterparts for me was the last of an era of Rush that in my mind was unmatched by any band out there. Since Test for Echo Rush's sound has been less atmospheric and more rough around the edges: heavy, distorted guitar sounds, vocal melodies not as ambient and the drums a bit toned down. Clockwork Angels really does a fantastic job bringing the old Rush back, but it still fails to get there entirely in my mind.

Also, this is also some of Neil's best lyrical work since Hemispheres. Granted he has a lot of stellar lyrics with Counterparts, Grace under Pressure and Hold Your Fire, Hemisphere always stood out for me as being incredibly inspired and now I have that same feeling with Clockwork Angels. Granted, most of the time I disagree with Neil's philosophy and find him a bit too dismissive when it comes to belief and ethics, yet looking past my convictions Neil still achieved what he set out to do, compose something that surpasses almost everything he has ever done. Also his drumming is easily the best since Counterparts. Very aggressive and almost an antithesis to Snakes and Arrows.

Despite the inconsistent production where some tracks really need the low and high ends adjusted to clear up the muddiness, Clockwork Angels is a 9 out of 10 in my mind.  :tup
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on June 16, 2012, 08:51:57 AM
The reason why people keep hearing "...their best album since Moving Pictures" is because ever since Roll the Bones, every album has gotten better. 

CP was better than RtB, T4E was better than CP (IMO), a little hiccup with VT, then S&A was *MASSIVELY* better...and now CA has blown S&A out of the water.

This album does something that Rush doesn't do often enough sometimes.   Start strong *AND* end just as strong, if not stronger.  It makes the entire album a purely joyful listening experience, and even shores up a weak track or two through the middle...because you never get the feeling that "it's all downhill from here".   

This is a really fantastic album.   I can't remember the last time a Rush album was *SO* good that it made me giddy enough to giggle.   Maybe Power Windows??
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 16, 2012, 09:38:39 AM
Nah, Counterparts (which Clockwork Angels doesn't top). :)

But I do love how CA starts and ends strong. There are no weak spots, no songs that while maybe not bad (or maybe bad :lol), I still think, "I could have done without that" (which the previous three albums all had - Spindrift, We Hold On, One Little Victory, The Stars Look Down, Sweet Miracle, The Color of Right, Time and Motion).  Even the least best song here, Halo Effect, is still highly enjoyable and snuggles in nicely between the rocker that is Carnies and the sprawling Seven Cities of Gold. :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The King in Crimson on June 16, 2012, 09:57:58 AM
Wait, Halo Effect is the least best song here?

That song is great.  Much better than BU2B and Wish Them Well at least.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 16, 2012, 10:33:16 AM
I think what helps this album, as a whole, is that each song has CHARACTER. This might be because of the over-arching story told through the lyrics that binds them all together, but each song is just memorable - I can recall the titles and lyrics, and each song has such a unique feel and sound do it from one to the next.

On every album since Presto, there's probably at least one or two songs I couldn't recall after my first week or two of listens. I'd go through the tracklist in my mind and only get halfway through before I'd forget a song..."And then there was...wait. What track came next? The slow one...no, the one about...ehhh..." And then with VT and S&A, we got more music and more songs, so of course there's a greater chance of songs being forgotten, so perhaps there were songs on those albums that I could've done without, although NOW (many years later) I've grown to appreciate all the albums since 1989 as whole albums, even the songs that aren't quite memorable.

With this album, I don't get the feeling that any song is out of place - all the pieces fit. Neil did a great job with his lyrics and Geddy did a great job fitting them all in to the vocal melodies. Everything just sort of fell into place on this one. Musically speaking, each song just sounds so unique.
"Caravan" has that great extended middle section and a lot of cool added/dropped beats throughout.
"BU2B" just slays, with it's fast tempo and the bare guitar/bass parts that make me go "Whoa, Rush can do things like that?!"
"Clockwork Angels" really sounds unique in the history of Rush (as one of the members themselves have said, it was something totally new), and that middle section is REALLY unique to Rush, a sort of triple-meter shuffle thing.
"The Anarchist" stands out as having one of Neil's coolest drum grooves on the album with the toms, and I really enjoy the eastern-feel of the melodies, especially with the strings, and the dark-sounding solo section that switches back and forth from half-time.
"Carnies" starts out with a "Working Man"esque riff (really cool stuff from Alex) in a bit of half-time, then we get into the chorus and it just STICKS. "A wheel of fate, a game of chance" is totally addictive. I also love the return of Neil's signature groove (which he started using way back in the Hemispheres/Permanent Waves days...drummers know what I'm talking about here).
"Halo Effect" is probably one of the band's best ballad-esque songs in a long time, and does a great job of fitting music to lyrics here. I love the lyrics too, especially the reprisal of "Fool that I was" in each verse. Really touching piece.
"Seven Cities Of Gold", the SEVENTH track, starts off with a sweet bass/drum groove, and Neil brings in his cowbells!! (with SEVEN hits, if you count...coincidence?) Great intro, another of the album's great song intros (well, they're all great, really), and another powerful chorus with great delivery from Geddy. They also snuck that dropped-beat in the chorus too, which I enjoyed!
"The Wreckers" starts out like it sounds like a song from TFE or VT, but it grows into a great mid-tempo song with another great chorus, and it's a good relaxing piece between two heavy and epic songs... I wish it didn't fade out, though.
"Headlong Flight" is like "Bastille Day" and "By-Tor & The Snowdog" had a kid in 1975 and it grew up to be this. So much energy and the lyrics are really universal, while still applying to the story and concept. This is an instant classic for me and I hope they keep it in the setlists from here on out! Everyone in the band is playing with all cylinders firing and they really pull out all the stops, especially in the middle section and Neil's mini-solo. I'm glad a song like this appears in the 2nd half of the album, where, since HYF, songs have become forgettable...until now.
"BU2B2" is unique in that it's just Geddy and a string section, playing a haunting near-reprisal of the album's 2nd track. Really eerie and chilling.
"Wish Them Well" has been said to be catchy, and it really is. I catch myself humming the chorus to myself randomly throughout the day. Some dislike the high-sung title in the chorus, but I think it really adds to the song and the sentiment of it. It's also a very unique song in that it starts with 2 runs of the chorus before going into the first verse!
"The Garden" is probably a Top 5 piece on this album for me, and one of the band's best closing tracks, period. There isn't much more that I can say about this piece that hasn't already been said, but I could probably just hit repeat on this one more times than any of the tracks on the album. I'm really glad it doesn't fade-out either!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 16, 2012, 12:06:34 PM
Wait, Halo Effect is the least best song here?

That song is great.  Much better than BU2B and Wish Them Well at least.

Leaving BU2B2 out of the equation (since that is basically an interlude) I think it is, yes.  Like I said, it is a highly enjoyable little tune, but something has to be the least best, right?  And Wish Them Well is way too awesome lyrically to be the least best. 


"Wish Them Well" has been said to be catchy, and it really is. I catch myself humming the chorus to myself randomly throughout the day. Some dislike the high-sung title in the chorus, but I think it really adds to the song and the sentiment of it. It's also a very unique song in that it starts with 2 runs of the chorus before going into the first verse!
 

Those people are on drugs.  That high-pitched "wissssssh theeeem weeeeell" is one of my favorite things to sing along to from the CD thus far. :hat
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: countoftuscany42 on June 16, 2012, 04:19:12 PM
my copy from amazon just arrived  :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on June 16, 2012, 04:38:32 PM
I just got mine from Roadrunner.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 16, 2012, 11:35:02 PM
Another great interview with Alex and Geddy:

https://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=175519

I loved Alex's story about running into and meeting his hero, Geddy Lee. :lol :lol :lol

But I am still in shock over how big Alex's bald spot is. :eek :eek :eek
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Big Hath on June 17, 2012, 12:23:41 AM
that's pretty cool that they got Hetfield to do the interview
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on June 17, 2012, 12:47:19 AM
Alex looks ridiculous. He should just accept his fate, and shave his head.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on June 17, 2012, 01:10:57 AM
that's pretty cool that they got Hetfield to do the interview

:lol

Yeah he sure looks like Jaymz.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 17, 2012, 04:37:23 AM
that's pretty cool that they got Hetfield to do the interview

I seriously had to do a double-take.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on June 17, 2012, 08:11:29 AM
I like Halo Effect more than Wish Them Well.  Both are great, though.  Heck, every song is.  This is definitely one of their best albums, I'm convinced now.  Not sure if it beats Counterparts for me, though.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jingle.boy on June 17, 2012, 11:07:05 AM
Another great interview with Alex and Geddy:

https://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=175519

I loved Alex's story about running into and meeting his hero, Geddy Lee. :lol :lol :lol

But I am still in shock over how big Alex's bald spot is. :eek :eek :eek

Watched it live on Monday.  That's the webcast from the "official" broadcast premiere that was live on a bunch of Canadian radio stations.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on June 17, 2012, 12:34:28 PM
I think Alex should borrow one of Neal's hats. Or maybe wear a wig, but an intentionally obvious, over the top wig.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 17, 2012, 12:41:56 PM
I think Alex should borrow one of Neal's hats. Or maybe wear a wig, but an intentionally obvious, over the top wig.

Only if the wig looked like this:
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-CbG0XS6wsMc/Tl7Ze11VK2I/AAAAAAAAABs/-nSbdGvbmko/s1600/AF2Ktouralex-1.jpg)

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on June 17, 2012, 02:17:49 PM
I think Alex should borrow one of Neal's hats. Or maybe wear a wig, but an intentionally obvious, over the top wig.

That would be SO AWESOME!  :lol

I really hope they play I'm Going Bald this tour, just for humor's sake.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on June 17, 2012, 02:25:44 PM
 :rollin How long has it been that way? I saw that interview and I went, "What the hell?!". Was it like that during the Time Machine tour?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 17, 2012, 02:26:30 PM
I don't understand why everyone is hating on Wish Them Well. Sure, it's far from the best song on the album, but it's not bad.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on June 17, 2012, 08:20:04 PM
I love how awkward Geddy is when describing Steampunk  :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on June 17, 2012, 09:40:14 PM
The choruses on this album are so strong.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 17, 2012, 09:45:04 PM
The choruses on this album are so strong.

I'll echo this sentiment. Their choruses have gotten pretty strong over the last few albums, and more and more songs have better choruses as each album continues. RTB had a few, CP had a couple more than that, TFE stayed about even, then VT came along and had a couple more, then S&A came out and most of the album was full of great choruses. Now with CA, I'd say nearly every song has a strong chorus. Seriously.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on June 17, 2012, 09:47:56 PM
Mid-range is still a muddy mess after more than 50 spins, but I'm not letting that keep it from kicking my ass eight days a week.

I CANNOT wait to experience this live.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Curious Orange on June 18, 2012, 01:58:15 AM
Been listening to it all weekend. It's definitely more Vapor Trails than Snakes & Arrows, but that's not such a bad thing. The sound was fine to my ears, the cymbals and high-end percussion could be a bit more rounded, but that's it. I liked the way the songs stand up on their own outside of the concept - each song is a fully rounded song in it's own right. The lack of an instrumental this time round was also a bit of a disappointment.

Caravan, BU2B and The Anarchist are all stong, classic Rush songs, Clockwork Angels is a bit of a grower - I wasn't sure on first listen, but I'm starting to love it. Halo Effect should have been acoustic all the way through, like the live version of Resist. As a full-band arrangement it sounded a little dated. 7CoG is fun, The Wreckers is a great tune, but ruined by one of the clumsiest fade-outs I've ever heard. The Garden and Headlong Flight are both mind-blowingly good.

Roll on the tour!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on June 18, 2012, 07:27:16 AM
The choruses on this album are so strong.
That's great to hear, I'm always into catchy choruses.

I still haven't had the chance to hear the album, it's still not out here. It baffles me that the new Gojira album is for sale even though it's gonna be out in the rest of the world in a couple of days, but the new Rush album is one week later still not available.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on June 18, 2012, 07:46:57 AM
Picked it up yesterday, listened to it once full volume over the stereo in the living room (yeah baby!) and once on the PC while surfing the web and stuff.  Albums are so long these days that I never feel like I get to know them intimately like back when I was in school and spent hours listening to them over and over and absorbing every nuance.  Nowadays, spending hours means you got to hear it twice.  So the second listen was more to get the songs into my subconscious.

I get what people are saying about the sound and production.  It sounds very dense to me, but I don't know if that's bad.  It makes the music sound more intense, more immediate, but at the same time, yeah, it gets a bit oppressive after a while and seems to rob the album of the peaks and valleys you really need if you're going to hold someone's attention for an hour or more.  The quiet sections are loud, the loud sections aren't much louder, and everything else is in between.  I found myself thinking "This will totally kick ass when they play it live" a few times.  You shouldn't have to think that way about a song.  If it's that good, it should blow you away on the album.  And there are a lot of really good songs here.

Third listen will be today in the car, full volume.  I'm looking forward to it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on June 18, 2012, 09:30:18 AM
https://www.dr.loudness-war.info/index.php?search_artist=rush&sort=year&order=asc
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 18, 2012, 11:49:17 AM
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/06/18/3168/New-Alex-Lifeson-interview-at-RollingStone.com

Short of it is that approx. 55 minutes of CA will be played live on this tour.

Hints at a 2nd N. American leg to the tour.

They are discussing a lot of older never before or long ago played material to play this tour.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: contest_sanity on June 18, 2012, 12:23:10 PM
(https://puu.sh/BScx)

Rush readies the "Gangster of Boats" trilogy by dressing as actual gangsters.  Neil Peart pictured above.

lol USA Today for formatting their web page like it's a newspaper.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 18, 2012, 12:39:49 PM
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/06/18/3168/New-Alex-Lifeson-interview-at-RollingStone.com

Short of it is that approx. 55 minutes of CA will be played live on this tour.

Hints at a 2nd N. American leg to the tour.

They are discussing a lot of older never before or long ago played material to play this tour.

Alex also said they'd be playing Jacob's Ladder two years ago. :censored :censored :censored
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 18, 2012, 12:47:01 PM
That's still killing you Kev. :lol

Alex got your hopes up and you'll never forgive him. :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 18, 2012, 12:49:03 PM
Oh, no, I forgave him, but I don't forget. :biggrin:

All I am really saying is his comments about such things should be taken with a grain of salt.  But he's still my all-time favorite musician. :coolio :coolio :coolio
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on June 18, 2012, 08:01:21 PM
I don't understand why everyone is hating on Wish Them Well. Sure, it's far from the best song on the album, but it's not bad.

After the 6th listen, I'm really liking Wish Them Well.  It's actually pretty strong.

I'm starting to think the Wreckers is possibly the best Rush song in 20yrs.  It has everything.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 18, 2012, 08:15:50 PM
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/06/18/3168/New-Alex-Lifeson-interview-at-RollingStone.com

Short of it is that approx. 55 minutes of CA will be played live on this tour.

Hints at a 2nd N. American leg to the tour.

They are discussing a lot of older never before or long ago played material to play this tour.

Take out "Halo Effect", "BU2B2" and "Wish Them Well" and you've got just about 55 minutes of music from the new album.

Logically speaking, there's no way they won't play the first 3 tracks, and they've got to play "Headlong Flight" and "The Wreckers" (the former is a single, and the latter is featured on the sticker for the album). "The Garden" is so highly regarded that I'm pretty sure they'll play it as well. This leaves "Seven Cities Of Gold", "Carnies" and "The Anarchist", which are ALL pretty strong choices for the live set.

I like the idea of them doing the entire album over the course of the tour's two legs. I think that's smart. They should have done that with the S&A Tour, rotating "The Way The Wind Blows" and "Workin' Them Angels" with "Bravest Face" and "Good News First".

I can see them definitely playing the first five tracks, "Headlong Flight" and "The Garden" on both legs, and swap around the others between both tour legs. I hope they offer ALL the songs played on this tour on the inevitable live album (like they did with Rush In Rio on CD, or Snakes & Arrows Live with the "Oh, Atlanta!" bonus dvd).

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Breaking All Illusions on June 18, 2012, 09:23:13 PM
I love Clockwork Angels. Not a weak track on the album. Listend to it for the fourth time today. The Anarchist and The Garden are my favorite tracks from the album. I knew Clockwork Angels would be great but I wasn't expecting this level. I should have though because it's Rush.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 18, 2012, 09:25:24 PM
I suggested the idea of them doing all of the new album over the course of two legs last freaking week, fools. :P
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on June 18, 2012, 09:42:31 PM
Is this some kind of new stupid Internet thing, calling everyone "fools"?  Is "fools" the new "bitches"?  Something derogatory to call people for no particular reason?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 18, 2012, 09:49:45 PM
No, it's an old stupid Internet thing. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 18, 2012, 10:03:59 PM
This is a fantastic interview with Neil Peart, where he breaks down and talks about each song from Clockwork Angels!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiBKxPlUmg8
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 18, 2012, 10:07:26 PM
And them now actually talking about bringing a string section on tour!!!!

https://www.billboard.com/news/rush-bringing-string-ensemble-on-tour-1007356152.story#/news/rush-bringing-string-ensemble-on-tour-1007356152.story

If true, perhaps Losing It will finally get played, and Manhattan Project would also be a natural.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on June 18, 2012, 10:25:49 PM
(https://puu.sh/BScx)

Rush readies the "Gangster of Boats" trilogy by dressing as actual gangsters.  Neil Peart pictured above.

lol USA Today for formatting their web page like it's a newspaper.

FLOCKA
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 18, 2012, 10:38:49 PM
And them now actually talking about bringing a string section on tour!!!!

https://www.billboard.com/news/rush-bringing-string-ensemble-on-tour-1007356152.story#/news/rush-bringing-string-ensemble-on-tour-1007356152.story

If true, perhaps Losing It will finally get played, and Manhattan Project would also be a natural.

"Losing It" would be a treat. There's also quite a few songs in the Presto-RTB-CP-TFE era that would sound good with a string section that haven't either been played before (like "Losing It") or haven't been played since their first tour out.

And just for those keeping track, strings were used on the following CA songs:
"Halo Effect," "The Anarchist," "The Wreckers," "BU2B2," and "The Garden"

So if these are a shoe-in for the live show, that leaves "Carnies", "Seven Cities Of Gold" and "Wish Them Well" as the last option to fill 55 minutes (assuming they play "Caravan", "BU2B", "Clockwork Angels" and "Headlong Flight"). If that's the case, I'd like to see them play one of those 3 on the first leg, and then another on the 2nd leg, preferably, "Carnies" on one and "Seven Cities Of Gold" on the other. And save "Wish Them Well" for the next album-tour cycle!

At any rate, I'll have to start listening to the entire Rush catalog to hear what would be good choices for them to play with a string ensemble. Hmmm...

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on June 18, 2012, 11:27:37 PM
Personally, I would *LOVE* to see them play the entire album.

But alas...I'm probably going to miss this tour.   I was dead broke when tickets went on sale, and now it's sold out.   There is not a smiley out there that would express my sadness and frustration.    Maybe they should make a smiley that falls on a sword. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Breaking All Illusions on June 18, 2012, 11:33:25 PM
This is a fantastic interview with Neil Peart, where he breaks down and talks about each song from Clockwork Angels!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiBKxPlUmg8

Cool interview.




I wouldn't mind hearing the entire album on this tour. They can do six songs in each set.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Curious Orange on June 19, 2012, 01:39:51 AM
I'd rather hear most of the album and more older stuff than all of the album (I think they overdid the S&A material on that tour) but if they did play the whole thing I wouldn't object.

A list of Rush songs I'd love to hear dusted off for the next tour - Force Ten, Animate, Chain Lightning, Cold Fire, Bravado, Mystic Rhythms, Xanadu & Jacob's Ladder.  Yeah, I know, but I can dream...  :yarr
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 19, 2012, 03:49:05 AM
This is a fantastic interview with Neil Peart, where he breaks down and talks about each song from Clockwork Angels!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiBKxPlUmg8

Cool interview.

I wouldn't mind hearing the entire album on this tour. They can do six songs in each set.

Neil has such a great voice for Radio. I felt like I was listening to NPR a little bit.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on June 19, 2012, 05:46:20 AM
After careful consideration I am now willing to proclaim Clockwork the best Rush album in many years. The layers of depth in each song are amazing. Its a classic!

Taking a string section on the road. I love the idea, because Rush will use them properly taking nothing away from the power of what they are doing!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TAC on June 19, 2012, 06:21:57 AM
After careful consideration I am now willing to proclaim Clockwork the best Rush album in many years.
Why would that proclamation require "careful consideration"? It's pretty obvious.

And exactly how many years, would you say?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on June 19, 2012, 06:26:08 AM
19.  Since Counterparts.  Though S&A once held that title for me as well.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TAC on June 19, 2012, 06:28:52 AM
19.  Since Counterparts.   
I agree with that.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on June 19, 2012, 06:35:31 AM
After careful consideration I am now willing to proclaim Clockwork the best Rush album in many years.
Why would that proclamation require "careful consideration"? It's pretty obvious.

And exactly how many years, would you say?
I say, "careful consideration" because every time Rush releases an album I get over zealous about it. I am a diehard fan so I look at them through rose colored glasses at times. I wanted to really absorb the record before jumping to the conclusion I came to very early. Its amazing.
and its my favorite since Presto.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 19, 2012, 06:36:21 AM
Hearing Neil explain the story in that video makes me love the album even more.  :heart
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on June 19, 2012, 06:41:17 AM
After careful consideration I am now willing to proclaim Clockwork the best Rush album in many years.
Why would that proclamation require "careful consideration"? It's pretty obvious.

And exactly how many years, would you say?
I say, "careful consideration" because every time Rush releases an album I get over zealous about it. I am a diehard fan so I look at them through rose colored glasses at times. I wanted to really absorb the record before jumping to the conclusion I came to very early. Its amazing.

I have to do this with my favorites too.  I think I realized I needed to when DT released Systematic Chaos.  I loved every song except TDEN and thought it was a masterpiece.  One year later I never listened to it and looked at almost every song with disdain.   :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 19, 2012, 06:44:01 AM
And them now actually talking about bringing a string section on tour!!!!

https://www.billboard.com/news/rush-bringing-string-ensemble-on-tour-1007356152.story#/news/rush-bringing-string-ensemble-on-tour-1007356152.story

If true, perhaps Losing It will finally get played, and Manhattan Project would also be a natural.

I can take or leave Losing It, but Manhattan Project would be fantastic, and most importantly this would just way increase the odds of The Garden being played.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 19, 2012, 06:45:37 AM
I think that's true most of the time with us fan boys.  At first I'm in love with everything but over time, if it's a great album, it has legs for me.  Certain albums get more spins that I connect with.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on June 19, 2012, 06:47:44 AM
How about adding a choir so they could do the most epic version of Marathon ever? ;D
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TAC on June 19, 2012, 06:59:02 AM
How about adding a choir so they could do the most epic version of Marathon ever? ;D
That'd be awesome.


and its my favorite since Presto.

It's funny you mention Presto. As I was listening to CA the other day, I kept thinking of Presto. Like It's a heavier version of Presto.
I happen to like Presto a lot, too.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 19, 2012, 07:01:27 AM
I've always liked Presto more than Roll The Bones.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TAC on June 19, 2012, 07:04:11 AM
I've always liked Presto more than Roll The Bones.
Presto was essentially the album that got me back into Rush, after basically an 8 year absence through the 80's. That is why I was so disppointed with Roll The Bones. I was prepared to be amazed but they just mailed that one in.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 19, 2012, 07:09:17 AM
They knew something was missing from that record.  That's what got us Counterparts.  but I wouls love to see The Big Wheel played live.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on June 19, 2012, 08:38:50 AM
I've always liked Presto more than Roll The Bones.
much more, personally.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 19, 2012, 08:58:55 AM
  That is why I was so disppointed with Roll The Bones. I was prepared to be amazed but they just mailed that one in.

I cannot agree with that.  Dreamline sounds mailed in?  Bravado?  Ghost of a Chance?  Really? 

I am not saying Roll the Bones is perfect,  but mailed in?  No way. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on June 19, 2012, 09:09:46 AM
  That is why I was so disppointed with Roll The Bones. I was prepared to be amazed but they just mailed that one in.

I cannot agree with that?  Dreamline sounds mailed in?  Bravado?  Ghost of a Chance?  Really? 

I am not saying Roll the Bones is perfect,  but mailed in?  No way.
Yeah, I don't believe Rush ever mails anything in. You may not always like the direction completely, but I think they just want to stay fresh and relevant. RTB does have too many filler type songs, imo, but its not a bad album. It just hasn't aged that well for me.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: BanksD on June 19, 2012, 09:12:31 AM
Been spinning the new album for the past week or so and I love it. My favorites are Headlong Flight, The Garden, Seven Cities of Gold, The Anarchist, and Caravan.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TAC on June 19, 2012, 09:39:27 AM
  That is why I was so disppointed with Roll The Bones. I was prepared to be amazed but they just mailed that one in.

I cannot agree with that.  Dreamline sounds mailed in?  Bravado?  Ghost of a Chance?  Really? 

I am not saying Roll the Bones is perfect,  but mailed in?  No way.
It has more filler on it than any other Rush album and yes I'm looking at Bravado.
For the record, I love Ghost Of A Chance (one of the coolest songs in their catalog), Dreamline, and You Bet Your Life.

But I want Rush playing creative thoughtful music.  Not 4 minute verse chorus verse chorus solo chorus stuff. That's not Rush. Rush is better than that. I mean every band has a shitter in their catalog. While they completely lost me in the 80's at least they were trying to do something creative. RTB reeks of either a contract obligation or songwriter's block.  :)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nekov on June 19, 2012, 09:44:12 AM
After careful consideration I am now willing to proclaim Clockwork the best Rush album in many years. The layers of depth in each song are amazing. Its a classic!


I prefer Vapor Trails over this album by miles but it is better than S&A
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on June 19, 2012, 10:12:19 AM
After careful consideration I am now willing to proclaim Clockwork the best Rush album in many years. The layers of depth in each song are amazing. Its a classic!


I prefer Vapor Trails over this album by miles but it is better than S&A
That's cool. Its all good.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on June 19, 2012, 10:44:34 AM
I think the Garden is guaranteed a slot on the tour, since every interview with Geddy has mentioned how proud he is of that song, and (at least here) fan response to it has been incredibly positive. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on June 19, 2012, 10:45:27 AM
I think the Garden is guaranteed a slot on the tour, since every interview with Geddy has mentioned how proud he is of that song, and (at least here) fan response to it has been incredibly positive.
My favorite track on the album. Love it!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on June 19, 2012, 10:46:53 AM
I'm not sure if its the best on the album for me, but it is really REALLY damn close.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 19, 2012, 11:52:33 AM
I think the Garden is guaranteed a slot on the tour, since every interview with Geddy has mentioned how proud he is of that song, and (at least here) fan response to it has been incredibly positive.

Also since they are talking a string section I think it is a lock.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 19, 2012, 12:02:38 PM
TAC, we can agree to disagree. :)

Also, who else wants to see Alex sing lead vocals on I Think I'm Going Bald? :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 19, 2012, 12:18:07 PM
Sort of like McCartney singing, "When I'm 64". :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TAC on June 19, 2012, 12:40:46 PM
TAC, we can agree to disagree. :)

It's all good, Kev! I appreciate your point of view!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 19, 2012, 12:59:11 PM
TAC, we can agree to disagree. :)

Also, who else wants to see Alex sing lead vocals on I Think I'm Going Bald? :lol :lol

I know I do.

(https://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x459/phoenix87x/Screenshot2012-06-17at64046AM.png)

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on June 19, 2012, 01:49:10 PM
If I were him, I'd shave my head. Or maybe he should buy a nice hat.  ;D
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Big Hath on June 19, 2012, 03:20:07 PM
at least he's not trying to cover it up with the rest of his hair or a wig.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on June 19, 2012, 03:39:17 PM
I think that's true most of the time with us fan boys.  At first I'm in love with everything but over time, if it's a great album, it has legs for me.  Certain albums get more spins that I connect with.

Not for me. Always been a Rush fanboy but never got any love for TFE, VT or S&A. CA I  :heart :heart so far though and that's not likely to change.

And for the record RTB>Presto.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on June 19, 2012, 04:23:15 PM
I'll say it again:  I like Presto more, but RTB is a better record.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 19, 2012, 04:23:47 PM
Lowdz, we're talking when you first get an album and you really like it but over time you see the cracks.  So your telling me you hated or shall I say disapproved of TFE, VT or S&A from the start?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on June 19, 2012, 05:08:28 PM
I'll say it again:  I like Presto more, but RTB is a better record.
Presto came along at a magical time in my life. Pun intended. I love that album a lot.
 How can you like one record more yet declare the one you don't like as much the superior record?
That does not compute well for me.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on June 19, 2012, 06:14:22 PM
Since they're bringing an orchestra on tour, I hope they do play Losing It. The one song I want to hear most.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 19, 2012, 06:29:02 PM
Since they're bringing an orchestra on tour, I hope they do play Losing It. The one song I want to hear most.

Not orchestra - string ensemble. Saying "orchestra" implies it's standard definition, which includes string, brass, woodwind and percussion.

I saw a ton of people freaking out about how Rush was going to be on stage with a huge orchestra when the band have only said 8-10 string players (which would probably boil down to 2-4 violins, 2 violas, 2-4 cellos, and 2 double-bass).

"Losing It" would be a great piece to perform. I'm hoping there's a couple more pieces from the last 6 studio albums that they can pull out and utilize the strings properly for an awesome performance. There are 29 songs that have gone unplayed between Presto and S&A, while only 15 from Rush to HYF. If Geddy's voice has an issue with covering older material, I wouldn't mind seeing them pull out some deep tracks from the last 6 albums.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TAC on June 19, 2012, 06:34:49 PM


"Losing It" would be a great piece to perform. I'm hoping there's a couple more pieces from the last 6 studio albums that they can pull out and utilize the strings properly for an awesome performance. There are 29 songs that have gone unplayed between Presto and S&A, while only 15 from Rush to HYF. If Geddy's voice has an issue with covering older material, I wouldn't mind seeing them pull out some deep tracks from the last 6 albums.

-Marc.

Wow, nice job with the stats, M.

I LOVE Losing It.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 19, 2012, 06:41:10 PM


"Losing It" would be a great piece to perform. I'm hoping there's a couple more pieces from the last 6 studio albums that they can pull out and utilize the strings properly for an awesome performance. There are 29 songs that have gone unplayed between Presto and S&A, while only 15 from Rush to HYF. If Geddy's voice has an issue with covering older material, I wouldn't mind seeing them pull out some deep tracks from the last 6 albums.

-Marc.

Wow, nice job with the stats, M.

I LOVE Losing It.

I also love Losing it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 19, 2012, 06:54:08 PM


"Losing It" would be a great piece to perform. I'm hoping there's a couple more pieces from the last 6 studio albums that they can pull out and utilize the strings properly for an awesome performance. There are 29 songs that have gone unplayed between Presto and S&A, while only 15 from Rush to HYF. If Geddy's voice has an issue with covering older material, I wouldn't mind seeing them pull out some deep tracks from the last 6 albums.

-Marc.

Wow, nice job with the stats, M.

I LOVE Losing It.

Thanks! To be honest, all I did was count the tracks listen on the Power Windows website. Here's the full list:

ALBUM TRACKS NEVER PERFORMED LIVE

Take A Friend
Before And After
Making Memories
Rivendell
The Fountain Of Lamneth*
Lessons
Tears
Madrigal
Different Strings
Losing It
Emotion Detector
Open Secrets
Second Nature
Tai Shan
High Water
Chain Lighting
Anagram
Red Tide
Hand Over Fist
Available Light
Face Up
The Big Wheel
Heresy
Neurotica
You Bet Your Life
Cut To The Chase
Alien Shore
Speed Of Love
Everyday Glory
The Color Of Right
Totem
Dog Years
Carve Away The Stone
Peaceable Kingdom
The Stars Look Down
How It Is
Vapor Trail
Sweet Miracle
Nocturne
Freeze
Out Of The Cradle
Bravest Face
Good News First
We Hold On

*Unknown, as no authentic COS Tour headline setlists have been found

As you can see, starting with Hold Your Fire, they started playing half (or less) of the songs on each new album's tour, with the only exceptions being Test For Echo (7 out of 11 played live) and Snakes & Arrows (9 out of 13 played live, then 10 counting "Faithless" on the next tour).

Before Hold Your Fire, every album had nearly all their songs played live at some point, either for that album's tour or afterwards (like with "Witch Hunt"). Only Hemispheres, Moving Pictures and Grace Under Pressure have the honor of being the only albums to have all their songs played live at one tour or another, and in the case of the first and last of those, on the tour for their album.

Only 11 songs from their debut to Power Windows (11 albums) had never been played live, an average of one song per album. From Hold Your Fire onward, 33 songs haven't been played live, over 6 albums, an average of 5.5 songs per album, and in the case of Presto, Counterparts and Test For Echo, that's exactly half of the album.

Eventually, I would enjoy seeing/hearing them pull out many of those 33 tracks for the live show, if only because Geddy's aging voice may limit him to which older tracks (i.e. from before Moving Pictures) can still be sung without dropping the song a whole step or more (like they did with "Circumstances" and "Entre Nous").

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 19, 2012, 06:57:33 PM
How about Tears.  That would be great with strings.  I bet they could do the string section for The Big Wheel.

Also on the non bucket strings list.  Vapor Trails, Jacob's Ladder, Cut to the Chase and Alien Shore.


Edit:  Dammit M!!  Ninja'd!! :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 19, 2012, 07:13:52 PM
Damn, I did not know that Different strings never got played.

    I would love to hear that.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 19, 2012, 07:31:02 PM
Different Strings not getting played when they did acoustic sets was a travesty, I very much hope they rectify that now.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on June 19, 2012, 07:42:29 PM


"Losing It" would be a great piece to perform. I'm hoping there's a couple more pieces from the last 6 studio albums that they can pull out and utilize the strings properly for an awesome performance. There are 29 songs that have gone unplayed between Presto and S&A, while only 15 from Rush to HYF. If Geddy's voice has an issue with covering older material, I wouldn't mind seeing them pull out some deep tracks from the last 6 albums.

-Marc.

Wow, nice job with the stats, M.

I LOVE Losing It.

I also love Losing it.


I also love Losing it, and would cream my pants if they played it with strings followed by the Wreckers.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on June 19, 2012, 07:47:37 PM
I'll say it again:  I like Presto more, but RTB is a better record.
Presto came along at a magical time in my life. Pun intended. I love that album a lot.
 How can you like one record more yet declare the one you don't like as much the superior record?
That does not compute well for me.

Presto also came along at a magical time in my life.  But all things considered, RTB is a better and more developed record.  It's kind of like relationships.  You may love one person from your past more than another, or there may have been one person that came along "at a magical time."  But that doesn't mean they were a better person/mate.  RTB has a couple throwaway songs, but there are at least 3-4 that are far better than any of the tracks on Presto. 

That being said, i would take Presto to a desert island before RTB.  Such is life.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 19, 2012, 07:50:59 PM
I mean, it's highly likely that I have a biased personal connection to it, but The Pass I think is better than anything on Roll the Bones, save maybe 1 track.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 19, 2012, 07:55:05 PM
I mean, it's highly likely that I have a biased personal connection to it, but The Pass I think is better than anything on Roll the Bones, save maybe 1 track.

Only if that one track is "Bravado". And speaking of which, the one-two punch of "The Pass"/"Bravado" on Rush In Rio is one of my absolute favorites ever.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 19, 2012, 07:57:57 PM
I mean, it's highly likely that I have a biased personal connection to it, but The Pass I think is better than anything on Roll the Bones, save maybe 1 track.

Only if that one track is "Bravado". And speaking of which, the one-two punch of "The Pass"/"Bravado" on Rush In Rio is one of my absolute favorites ever.

-Marc.

While I think Ghost of a Chance is stronger than Bravado, I agree that the 1/2 punch you mentioned is fucking incredible.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 19, 2012, 08:09:35 PM
I really do love Bravado, but Ghost of a Chance is one of those very special songs that can actually bring a tear to my eyes.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on June 19, 2012, 08:12:19 PM
I mean, it's highly likely that I have a biased personal connection to it, but The Pass I think is better than anything on Roll the Bones, save maybe 1 track.

The Pass is a great song, and has a lot of emotional charge to it, but Ghost/Chance, Bravado, Dreamline - i believe they are stronger songs.  The themes on Presto don't seem to be as fully developed as on RTB.  They are more raw.  Some - like me - love that rawness. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 19, 2012, 08:13:24 PM
Just listened to "Between Sun And Moon" and it has strings...would be a great choice for the CA Tour, especially since it was played 10 years ago for the VT Tour. And now my listening of Counterparts continues...

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 19, 2012, 08:16:01 PM
Just listened to "Between Sun And Moon" and it has strings...would be a great choice for the CA Tour, especially since it was played 10 years ago for the VT Tour. And now my listening of Counterparts continues...

-Marc.

I'm selfish.  I saw it already and there are a few on Counterparts they haven't played yet so I'd like to see others like Alien Shore and Cut To The Chase.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on June 19, 2012, 08:18:05 PM
Just listened to "Between Sun And Moon" and it has strings...would be a great choice for the CA Tour, especially since it was played 10 years ago for the VT Tour. And now my listening of Counterparts continues...

-Marc.

I'm selfish.  I saw it already and there are a few on Counterparts they haven't played yet so I'd like to see others like Alien Shore and Cut To The Chase.

same here.  Cut to the Chase - how many times do we have to request this track?  Isn't anyone listening?  Maybe TempusVox will drop a hint for us...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 19, 2012, 08:24:25 PM
Oh I know, trust me guys, I'd rather hear tunes like "Cut To The Chase" or "Everyday Glory" if they pick a tune from CP, but I'm only suggesting BSAM because it does have a good bit of strings in the song already, so arranging them for a small string ensemble wouldn't be TOO difficult. That, and they've already played the track before. And for anyone who hasn't seen the band on the VT tour (or since), or perhaps their show didn't have that song played, they'd be treated to it.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 19, 2012, 09:13:08 PM
Had another thought...what about the "Fear Series"? It'd be great to bring back "The Enemy Within" and "The Weapon", which I can imagine having it's opening synth part being played on strings instead, and "Witch Hunt" has been played on the last two tours, so it would continue through and would sound awesome with a string ensemble on it! Then of course, we'd get treated to "Freeze", which would just be AWESOME to hear live.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on June 19, 2012, 09:17:41 PM
I like the Fear series, but I could do without Witch Hunt (since we've already gotten that) and Freeze honestly. I love The Weapon though, and The Enemy Within is a great song too.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 19, 2012, 09:53:07 PM
The end of Nobody's Hero has strings as well, and that hasn't been played since the 90s, so that is a strong possibility as well.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 19, 2012, 10:00:02 PM
The end of Nobody's Hero has strings as well, and that hasn't been played since the 90s, so that is a strong possibility as well.

If they pick a song from CP that wasn't "Between Sun And Moon" and a song they've played before, then this would definitely have to be it. It's such a touching song and sentiment and I think it would work well.

My main hope for the set list is that they pick songs whose lyrics have some sort of relative sentiment to the songs they're playing from Clockwork Angels, songs that can sort of run along with the story they have, just to make it more interesting.

Going back through some of their older albums... "Manhattan Project" would be an awesome choice, as would "Lock And Key", which I can just imagine sounding great with live strings.

And, also out of left-field, "High Water" might not sound too bad with a live string ensemble as well!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 20, 2012, 12:13:27 AM
The drawback to Nobody's Hero would be Geddy's inability to sing the chorus well.  He struggled with it even a bit back in the 90s, and this is now many years later, so it might be deemed one of those songs too tough for him to sing well anymore. 

And how much will the fanbase flip out if Roll the Bones comes back? :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Scorpion on June 20, 2012, 12:45:04 AM
I listened to Clockwork Angels for the first time last evening, and as much as it pains me to say that, I am quite underwhelmed, especially after hearing all the praise here on the forums. Nothing is really bad (though I don't care much BU2B2), but it's also not really memorable. I'll be listening today, after school again - I really want to like this album, actually.

Did anyone initially have the same problems?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on June 20, 2012, 05:54:58 AM


"Losing It" would be a great piece to perform. I'm hoping there's a couple more pieces from the last 6 studio albums that they can pull out and utilize the strings properly for an awesome performance. There are 29 songs that have gone unplayed between Presto and S&A, while only 15 from Rush to HYF. If Geddy's voice has an issue with covering older material, I wouldn't mind seeing them pull out some deep tracks from the last 6 albums.

-Marc.

Wow, nice job with the stats, M.

I LOVE Losing It.

Thanks! To be honest, all I did was count the tracks listen on the Power Windows website. Here's the full list:

ALBUM TRACKS NEVER PERFORMED LIVE

Take A Friend
Before And After
Making Memories
Rivendell
The Fountain Of Lamneth*
Lessons
Tears
Madrigal
Different Strings
Losing It
Emotion Detector
Open Secrets
Second Nature
Tai Shan
High Water
Chain Lighting
Anagram
Red Tide
Hand Over Fist
Available Light
Face Up
The Big Wheel
Heresy
Neurotica
You Bet Your Life
Cut To The Chase
Alien Shore
Speed Of Love
Everyday Glory
The Color Of Right
Totem
Dog Years
Carve Away The Stone
Peaceable Kingdom
The Stars Look Down
How It Is
Vapor Trail
Sweet Miracle
Nocturne
Freeze
Out Of The Cradle
Bravest Face
Good News First
We Hold On

*Unknown, as no authentic COS Tour headline setlists have been found

As you can see, starting with Hold Your Fire, they started playing half (or less) of the songs on each new album's tour, with the only exceptions being Test For Echo (7 out of 11 played live) and Snakes & Arrows (9 out of 13 played live, then 10 counting "Faithless" on the next tour).

Before Hold Your Fire, every album had nearly all their songs played live at some point, either for that album's tour or afterwards (like with "Witch Hunt"). Only Hemispheres, Moving Pictures and Grace Under Pressure have the honor of being the only albums to have all their songs played live at one tour or another, and in the case of the first and last of those, on the tour for their album.

Only 11 songs from their debut to Power Windows (11 albums) had never been played live, an average of one song per album. From Hold Your Fire onward, 33 songs haven't been played live, over 6 albums, an average of 5.5 songs per album, and in the case of Presto, Counterparts and Test For Echo, that's exactly half of the album.

Eventually, I would enjoy seeing/hearing them pull out many of those 33 tracks for the live show, if only because Geddy's aging voice may limit him to which older tracks (i.e. from before Moving Pictures) can still be sung without dropping the song a whole step or more (like they did with "Circumstances" and "Entre Nous").

-Marc.
I'm surprised to see, Cut To The Chase, and Sweet Miracle on that list. I feel like I've head them live.
Of this list I would love to hear the underrated gem, Available Light.
Also, Peaceable Kingdom and Different Strings.
 Lessons is great but would be too much of a chore for Geddy to do on a nightly basis.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Curious Orange on June 20, 2012, 06:32:48 AM
Peaceable Kingdom is a fantastic song, and would really fit in with the CA stuff.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on June 20, 2012, 07:18:03 AM
You have to figure that before HyF, there were only like, 8 songs per album, and not 11, 13, etc
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on June 20, 2012, 07:28:30 AM
I listened to Clockwork Angels for the first time last evening, and as much as it pains me to say that, I am quite underwhelmed, especially after hearing all the praise here on the forums. Nothing is really bad (though I don't care much BU2B2), but it's also not really memorable. I'll be listening today, after school again - I really want to like this album, actually.

Did anyone initially have the same problems?

I did.  First impression was "Ah yes, the modern Rush sound."  Dense, driving, heavy, and Geddy of course singing in his lower register because that's his voice now.

As I got a few more tracks into it, I noticed that the guys were really wailing, Neil was pounding, Alex was screaming, Geddy was thumping, but somehow nothing really leaped out.  It's the production.  It smushes everything down into a thick paste where everything in it is awesome, but the net result is kinduv blah.

After four listens, I've concluded that like many Rush albums, fantastic playing has been marred by crummy sound quality.  I concluded that when I found myself already looking forward to the live versions of songs, where they'd be able to breathe and really come to life.

Nothing jumps out and grabs you because nothing can.  As much as the guys are firing on all eight, it still feels restrained and held back, which makes no sense.  This may be the sound they're really looking for, but I can't agree with it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 20, 2012, 07:31:37 AM
i am still underwhelmed as well. i like the 3 songs we heard before the album came out the best, still. the other songs just seem boring to me, but alex's solos are really awesome. still got that classic style where you KNOW it's him
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on June 20, 2012, 08:00:01 AM
I can understand the underwhelming. 

I think a lot of it has to do with expectations.  When your friends rave about a particular movie before you see it, you are usually going to be somewhat disappointed that it didn't live up to your expectations.  Rush's unparalleled back catalog is a tough comparison for any new record to live up to.

With CA, i kept my expectations very low, and have thus been pleasantly surprised.  When i first heard Headlong Flight, i was pretty underwhelmed.  It sounded like 58-yr old men having a mid/late life crisis, trying to act like teenagers again, and i was afraid that the rest of the album would sound the same.   But I think most people here agree that this is the best Rush album in around 20yrs (some say since Presto, some say since Cparts, i say since RTB).  It surpasses Snakes/Arrows, and puts the band on a ten-year upward trajectory since Neil's tragedies.

After 10 listens now, CA is really starting to bloom

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 20, 2012, 08:19:30 AM
You have to figure that before HyF, there were only like, 8 songs per album, and not 11, 13, etc

True, but their set lists on tour were under 2 hours long as they still toured with opening bands. It wasn't until the TFE tour that they headlined without an opening act and their show could stretch out a bit more to include more songs. On the CP and TFE tours, they played 6 out of 11 new songs (and on the latter, 7 if you counting the short time they played "Time And Motion"), but on the VT tour, when the show was even a bit longer, they pulled back to 5 out of 13 new songs, which I think it a shame considering the mastering issues with the album - they could have presented more new material to breathe some new life into it. I can only imagine how some of those songs would sound live with the right mixing and mastering.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 20, 2012, 08:26:40 AM
They said that some of the VT songs fell into the "studio only" camp because of the way they were recorded and whatnot, Peaceable Kingdom being one of them.  I suspect they worry about some of the songs losing their power by having only one guitar live, as opposed to the wall of guitars that comes at you on the studio versions.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on June 20, 2012, 08:27:34 AM
I listened to Clockwork Angels for the first time last evening, and as much as it pains me to say that, I am quite underwhelmed, especially after hearing all the praise here on the forums. Nothing is really bad (though I don't care much BU2B2), but it's also not really memorable. I'll be listening today, after school again - I really want to like this album, actually.

Did anyone initially have the same problems?
Personally, I never draw conclusions on the first listen of a Rush album. Come back after 10 listens and give me your thoughts. Then at least in my mind they will be legit. Too much going on in each song to form much of an opinion after one listen. At least in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Scorpion on June 20, 2012, 08:31:28 AM
Oh, I was planning on anyway, but just wanted to say what I thought the first listen. I'm not going to give up a Rush album, only because I don't like from the first listen, that's for sure.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on June 20, 2012, 08:33:54 AM
For 3 60 year old guys to make as album this good blows me away. I absolutely love it more with every listen. I rank it among the best Rush albums ever. As far as the production goes, that stuff never really phases me much. People have complained about Vapor Trails for years. I really never gave a shit too much about what is said cause it kicks ass to me and I love it.
Snakes And Arrows on the other hand never did much for me. It still doesn't. Its ok, but that's about all. Half solid tracks, half filler. Meh.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 20, 2012, 08:38:23 AM
They said that some of the VT songs fell into the "studio only" camp because of the way they were recorded and whatnot, Peaceable Kingdom being one of them.  I suspect they worry about some of the songs losing their power by having only one guitar live, as opposed to the wall of guitars that comes at you on the studio versions.

I figured the over-dubs would be what killed some of the songs' chances for being included in the live set. I wouldn't mind hearing "Ceiling Unlimited" brought back, especially since we didn't get it as a bonus track on RIR. I'm sure they could figure something out with some of the other songs, though. There are 7 that have yet to be played, and I'm sure they could try one or two of them.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on June 20, 2012, 08:41:12 AM
They said that some of the VT songs fell into the "studio only" camp because of the way they were recorded and whatnot, Peaceable Kingdom being one of them.  I suspect they worry about some of the songs losing their power by having only one guitar live, as opposed to the wall of guitars that comes at you on the studio versions.
HEAVY STRINGS!!!! :metal


 :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 20, 2012, 08:58:31 AM
I'd also like to add that "Good News First" might sound great with a string ensemble on it.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Big Hath on June 20, 2012, 09:34:28 AM
And how much will the fanbase flip out if Roll the Bones comes back? :lol :lol

Jack, relax.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 20, 2012, 09:35:01 AM
And how much will the fanbase flip out if Roll the Bones comes back? :lol :lol

Jack, relax.

Get busy with the....

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE.

Yeah, RtB needs to stay retired.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on June 20, 2012, 09:46:27 AM
I'd also like to add that "Good News First" might sound great with a string ensemble on it.

-Marc.
NO MORE SNAKES AND ARROWS!!!!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on June 20, 2012, 09:47:13 AM
And how much will the fanbase flip out if Roll the Bones comes back? :lol :lol

Jack, relax.
Well, you have to pee at some point.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Big Hath on June 20, 2012, 10:05:43 AM
And how much will the fanbase flip out if Roll the Bones comes back? :lol :lol

Jack, relax.
Well, you have to pee at some point.

exactly - saw both the Vapor Trails and R30 tours and each time they played this song, streams of people headed toward the merch stand/bathroom/snack bar.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: snowdog on June 20, 2012, 10:14:33 AM
Yeah, RtB needs to stay retired.

Yeah I agree.  I wasn't shocked to see it still in rotation on the Counterparts tour.  But I figured that surely they wouldn't play it on the TFE tour.  And I was further shocked it was still being played for Vapor Trails.  I thought for sure that they would have grown tired of it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Zydar on June 20, 2012, 10:15:34 AM
GONNA KICK SOME GLUTEUS MAX



Sorry, continue. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on June 20, 2012, 10:40:14 AM
What's wrong with Roll the bones?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 20, 2012, 10:43:28 AM
What's wrong with Roll the bones?

Nothing.  It's just been played on too many tours in a row.  Need to give it some rest for other songs.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 20, 2012, 10:46:32 AM
What's wrong with Roll the bones?

Nothing.  It's just been played on too many tours in a row.  Need to give it some rest for other songs.

Totally agree.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on June 20, 2012, 11:52:15 AM
So it looks like Clockwork Angels will debut at #2 in the US, with about 104,707 copies sold there.
https://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2012/06/20/3171/Rushs-Clockwork-Angels-debuts-at-2-on-the-Billboard-200

For comparison, Snakes & Arrows debuted at #3 with 93,000 sales. It ties with Counterparts for their highest chart position.

The breakdown is;
72,007 CD
30,339 digital
2,361 vinyl

This doesn't include fanpack copies, which count as UK sales, but those probably wouldn't have bumped them up to #1 anyway (128,000).

Congratulations Rush!

Edit: It looks like they debuted at #1 here in Canada, with 20,000 copies sold.
https://www.torontosun.com/2012/06/20/rushs-angels-fly-up-the-charts
Awesome!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 20, 2012, 12:16:23 PM
cool to see CD's with a large fraction of the sales. last tuesday me and my dad went to best buy after to work and there were quite a few dudes just getting out of work with their suits on picking it up as well
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 20, 2012, 12:18:04 PM
cool to see CD's with a large fraction of the sales. last tuesday me and my dad went to best buy after to work and there were quite a few dudes just getting out of work with their suits on picking it up as well

Rush fan base. :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 20, 2012, 12:40:31 PM
Nice finish for the first week!

And Roll the Bones is a cool song, and every time I have seen it live, the crowd has enjoyed the hell out of it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Scorpion on June 20, 2012, 12:45:30 PM
Well, I just listened to CA again, and I think that I'm starting to appreciate it. Definitely better than the first listen. I think that this just might grow on me.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TAC on June 20, 2012, 01:54:23 PM
And how much will the fanbase flip out if Roll the Bones comes back? :lol :lol

Jack, relax.
Well, you have to pee at some point.
Exactly!  :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 20, 2012, 01:55:57 PM
Yeah but my wife always picks the song I really want to hear for the pee break.   :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 20, 2012, 01:59:25 PM
Hooray young bladder!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 20, 2012, 02:02:24 PM
Hooray young bladder!

   I 2nd that.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on June 20, 2012, 02:26:52 PM
Hooray young bladder!
I've been pissin up a storm at concerts since I was young.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 20, 2012, 02:47:05 PM
Hooray young bladder!
I've been pissin up a storm at concerts since I was young.

Hooray for being poor any never buying beer/soda while at shows!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Implode on June 20, 2012, 05:20:48 PM
cool to see CD's with a large fraction of the sales. last tuesday me and my dad went to best buy after to work and there were quite a few dudes just getting out of work with their suits on picking it up as well

Rush fan base. :lol

I'm only 20 and that was me, too.  :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 20, 2012, 05:22:47 PM
cool to see CD's with a large fraction of the sales. last tuesday me and my dad went to best buy after to work and there were quite a few dudes just getting out of work with their suits on picking it up as well

Rush fan base. :lol

I'm only 20 and that was me, too.  :lol

Had I needed to get the album on release day I assure you I would have found a reason to get out of the office (we have running around stuff to do most days), and hit Best Buy with my suit and picked it up.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on June 21, 2012, 05:57:19 AM
Hooray young bladder!
I've been pissin up a storm at concerts since I was young.

Hooray for being poor any never buying beer/soda while at shows!
I was poor. I just was never good with my bladded when I went out. Even in my early 20's my friends called me, "Pissman" :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on June 21, 2012, 06:20:37 AM
What's wrong with Roll the bones?

Nothing.  It's just been played on too many tours in a row.  Need to give it some rest for other songs.

I need to see it. I love that song.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on June 21, 2012, 06:26:02 AM
Me too.

Also, sorry if this interview was posted before, but apparently, Tai Shan is Alex' and Geddy's least favorite Rush song. Surprising? I don't think so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qzaEhezDM8&feature=g-vrec
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 21, 2012, 06:29:57 AM
Well for a nut like me who see's every tour I like to give RTB a rest but I do get it for others.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on June 21, 2012, 09:15:17 AM
Ugh. Reading the paper this morning, they had, as they do every Thursday in the A&E section, this week's Canadian album chart. Surprisingly, Clockwork Angels was at #3.
Then I noticed that in the fine print, they note that they're only using iTunes sales. So basically, they're penalizing any band, such as Rush, that has strong physical media sales.

I know it doesn't really matter, but it's a bit irritating.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Implode on June 21, 2012, 10:26:14 AM
And anyone can look up album sales on iTunes. So really they are just being extremely lazy. :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on June 21, 2012, 10:59:24 AM
So we've come full circle.  Or half circle... 180... whatever.  Album sales used to only count physical sales because that's all there was.  Now they only count iTunes sales.  "They" of course is your paper, and "they" suck.  iTunes isn't even all legitimate online sales, is it?  Is the album available as an Amazon download or anywhere else?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on June 21, 2012, 03:44:00 PM
Well the Canadian Amazon site doesn't have MP3s, but I'm assuming we have something besides iTunes.

Edit:
On another note, apparently the fanpack was ineligible for charting. They sold 40,000. If they had counted, Clockwork Angels would have debuted at #1 in the UK. Instead, they debuted at #76.
https://canon.broadcastnewsroom.com/article/Rush-Match-Highest-Charting-of-Their-Career-With-CLOCKWORK-ANGELS--2082335

That's messed up.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on June 21, 2012, 03:55:25 PM
That makes me so angry, because I bought one, and my contribution doesn't count  :-[
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 21, 2012, 03:59:21 PM
Great interview with Geddy and Billy Corgan.  Talking about the music business today.  The next part is going to be about the loudness war and concept albums.

https://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/interview-geddy-lee-and-billy-corgan-talk-albums-vs-singles-549792
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on June 21, 2012, 04:01:11 PM
At the very least, they could have made it clear at point of sale that the fanpacks wouldn't count toward their chart position. Also, to make it more depressing, this would have been their first #1 in the UK.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 21, 2012, 04:02:54 PM
I think all this talk about charting is a fan thing.  I think the Rush camp just look at the #'s sold not where they are charted.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on June 21, 2012, 04:05:22 PM
Yeah, it's all just for bragging rights among fans.  I'm sure Rush is mostly interested in whether or not fans like the new album, maybe mildly interested in actual numbers, and not interested at all in whether they outsold some other band or singer who has also released something recently.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on June 21, 2012, 04:25:23 PM
Yeah, it's all just for bragging rights among fans.  I'm sure Rush is mostly interested in whether or not fans like the new album, maybe mildly interested in actual numbers, and not interested at all in whether they outsold some other band or singer who has also released something recently.
Well said.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on June 21, 2012, 06:36:18 PM
Adele's still near the top of the list.  Dayum.  Cool to see Rush so high as well.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on June 21, 2012, 09:41:08 PM
I listened to Clockwork Angels for the first time last evening, and as much as it pains me to say that, I am quite underwhelmed, especially after hearing all the praise here on the forums. Nothing is really bad (though I don't care much BU2B2), but it's also not really memorable. I'll be listening today, after school again - I really want to like this album, actually.

Did anyone initially have the same problems?

I did.  First impression was "Ah yes, the modern Rush sound."  Dense, driving, heavy, and Geddy of course singing in his lower register because that's his voice now.

As I got a few more tracks into it, I noticed that the guys were really wailing, Neil was pounding, Alex was screaming, Geddy was thumping, but somehow nothing really leaped out.  It's the production.  It smushes everything down into a thick paste where everything in it is awesome, but the net result is kinduv blah.

After four listens, I've concluded that like many Rush albums, fantastic playing has been marred by crummy sound quality.  I concluded that when I found myself already looking forward to the live versions of songs, where they'd be able to breathe and really come to life.

Nothing jumps out and grabs you because nothing can.  As much as the guys are firing on all eight, it still feels restrained and held back, which makes no sense.  This may be the sound they're really looking for, but I can't agree with it.

This sums up my thoughts exactly.  I just don't get why our favorite Willowdale Wailers allow this to happen.  I can still enjoy this album, but I would enjoy it even more if there was more space to it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on June 21, 2012, 10:45:17 PM
Great interview with Geddy and Billy Corgan.  Talking about the music business today.  The next part is going to be about the loudness war and concept albums.

https://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/interview-geddy-lee-and-billy-corgan-talk-albums-vs-singles-549792

Great story.

Read this --was it yesterday?-- definately one of the better ones out there. There have been a lot of pretty good interviews over the last little while.


Quote
Orbert:


Nothing jumps out and grabs you because nothing can.  As much as the guys are firing on all eight, it still feels restrained and held back, which makes no sense.  This may be the sound they're really looking for, but I can't agree with it.


Yeah, it's kind of a rough listen that way.

Fortunately, you can almost get lost in it to the point where it doesn't bother you so much. There is quite a bit going on in there. If they use the same live rig setup as they did last time, it's going to sound otherworldly.













Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Tick on June 22, 2012, 05:26:59 AM
I actually need to chill on playing Clockwork Angels before I wear it out. I have not been this into a Rush album in a long time. Can't get the songs out of my brain.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on June 22, 2012, 07:45:01 AM
Quote
Orbert:

Nothing jumps out and grabs you because nothing can.  As much as the guys are firing on all eight, it still feels restrained and held back, which makes no sense.  This may be the sound they're really looking for, but I can't agree with it.

Yeah, it's kind of a rough listen that way.

Fortunately, you can almost get lost in it to the point where it doesn't bother you so much. There is quite a bit going on in there. If they use the same live rig setup as they did last time, it's going to sound otherworldly.

Yeah, after a while it doesn't bother me so much.  It's still very intense music, and I actually feel somewhat exhausted just listening to it.  I've wondered if that's because I'm actually straining to hear things through the mix and production, but that's a bit cynical even for me (though it does seem possible).

And this stuff is going to absolutely kill live.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Bill Carson on June 22, 2012, 08:03:47 AM
Apart from the chorus to "The Wreckers" there was nothing that stuck in my head on first listen although the music was impressive as always.
However I've listened to it a few times now and its getting better & better with each listen, definitely a grower for me.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nekov on June 22, 2012, 09:13:09 AM
I must say the album is really growing with each listen. I agree on the part that the production could be better since sometimes everything sounds "dirty" but from every other aspect I'm enjoying it more and more.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on June 22, 2012, 05:19:07 PM
https://www.sporcle.com/games/TheGreatZo/rush_songs

Challenging everyone here to this quiz - My best time is 6 minutes and 18 seconds with all 173 answered correctly.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on June 22, 2012, 06:42:49 PM
138/173  :-\
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on June 22, 2012, 07:20:58 PM
146.  Missed a bunch on Presto, T4E, s/t, and Vapor Trails  Every other album was 100%
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: nicmos on June 24, 2012, 08:55:17 AM
I missed 4, if you don't count Feedback.  I don't even own that and it shouldn't count.  1 off s/t, 2 off VT, and for whatever reason couldn't get Twilight Zone off 2112.  I usually skip that one anyway.


I'm also digging the new album.  Surprised no one has mentioned how the intro of the title track sounds a bit like Pink Floyd, One of These Days.  That was a welcome surprise!

There's definitely a ferocity on this album that hasn't been there in a long long time.  To be honest, with the exception of a few tracks here and there on the intervening albums, the aggressiveness is at its highest since 2112 I'd say.

What doesn't work so well though, is the melodies.  I really think that's been lacking since after Counterparts.  The playing is impeccable, the production doesn't bother me really, but compare a great song like the title track here to something like Subdivisions, and you just don't have the same quality of a good melody.  And this is something that playing it live can't fix.  I don't know where those good melodies went.  It's like Geddy is more interested in the harmonies and his overdubs.  It kills me.

Alex's playing and Geddy's playing especially though, are inspired and literally bring a smile to my face.  If only I could be so awesome when I hit (almost) 60 like them.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: FrostbiteZ on June 24, 2012, 11:03:30 AM
I love the new album. There is not one weak track on the album. Love them all and I wouldnt mind if they played the complete album. My favorite tracks are Clockwork Angels & The Garden
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Vivace on June 24, 2012, 06:39:09 PM
That's been the biggest issue with all of the Rush albums from Vapor Trails on. The production is so mashed together the dynamics are virtually gone. This was what made albums like Counterparts, Presto, Moving Pictures, and just about everything Counterparts and before gems: the dynamics of the albums. It was wonderful to just hear each of the instruments as their own and not jumbled together like a box of lego pieces. Musically Vapor Trails, Snakes and Arrows and Clockwork Angels are all excellent but sonically they lack, except S&A which actually had a slightly better mix. If all three albums were mixed like Counterparts, I do believe the reception to these albums would be higher than it is currently.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TAC on June 24, 2012, 06:52:44 PM
I thought Snakes And Arrows sounded great. It was the songs I thought were the problem.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on June 24, 2012, 09:48:52 PM
155/173

I was able to get everything up through (and including) Power Windows *in order*. 

After that, I only nailed the albums I liked.   The albums I never listen to, I didn't do as well on. 

I was spotty on HYF...but eventually got everything but Turn the Page.
Got all of Presto
I was surprised that I only missed one off Roll the Bones...but I'm repeating my 5 most hated songs so often, that I guess it would make sense that I know the names....still, I forgot Heresy.
Forgot Speed of Love and Leave that Thing Alone from CP.
NAILED TFE INSTANTLY! (awesome album)
Missed Secret Touch, Nocturne and Out of the Cradle from VT
Feedback was what killed me...I *never* listen to that album.  I only remembered Summertime Blues and The Seeker.

I was really disappointed to have missed 4 songs from S&A...I *love* that album, I just havn't listened to it in awhile, and it's not old enough to have been burned into my psyche like the older albums have.

Got ALL of Clockwork Angels except for The Wreckers (which really bummed me out because that's one of my favorites)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on June 25, 2012, 10:57:25 AM
Can't get enough of the transition drum fill at 3:43 in The Wreckers
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on June 25, 2012, 02:34:00 PM
For those who have been dismayed by the production on CA, Geddy talks a bit about the mastering in this interview:


https://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/geddy-lee-and-billy-corgan-on-concept-albums-jamming-singing-and-more-550329/
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 25, 2012, 02:41:19 PM
It's nice to see that they know of the problem with hot mastering, but I just wish they were more proactive in fighting against it. Basically saying we compromise and don't let it get TOO bad isn't good enough when it comes to Rush as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Implode on June 26, 2012, 08:13:13 AM
I don't understand why they need to be loud when you can just turn up the volume yourself. And most music player programs have replaygain or sound check to adjust the volume to make tracks the same volume anyway. Why ruin the sound?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on June 26, 2012, 08:58:58 AM
For those who have been dismayed by the production on CA, Geddy talks a bit about the mastering in this interview:


https://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/geddy-lee-and-billy-corgan-on-concept-albums-jamming-singing-and-more-550329/

Who is Joe Bosso, and did he even listen to CA?  He said, "Both of your albums have great dynamic range..."  Everyone who has ears disagrees.

And, I agree with what Nick and Implode said.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 26, 2012, 12:06:21 PM
It really is baffling that they are so aware of the loudness dynamic, yet they still allowed it to be a part of Clockwork Angels.  It's almost like they said, "It's the way things are now with most bands, so we just went along with it."  It's disappointing.  Again, the album doesn't sound bad by any means, but it could have sounded better.  And it should have.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on June 26, 2012, 12:59:36 PM
It really is baffling that they are so aware of the loudness dynamic, yet they still allowed it to be a part of Clockwork Angels.  It's almost like they said, "It's the way things are now with most bands, so we just went along with it."  It's disappointing.  Again, the album doesn't sound bad by any means, but it could have sounded better.  And it should have.

I wonder if Rush sees themselves as primarily a touring band, and they figure they won't obsess much over the album's sound quality because they know that when they play live, they'll nail it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on June 26, 2012, 03:38:43 PM
Something like that.  I was thinking that they might not have the most objective view of their sound.  They write and rehearse the songs and of course it all sounds "live" because they're playing it.  Then when they listen to the master tapes, everything sounds all smooth and produced.  In that sense, it sounds really good to their ears.  To us, it sounds squashed, robbed of its dynamics, but to them, it just sounds like how a studio recording should sound, compared to how it sounds live.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Implode on June 26, 2012, 03:40:39 PM
Good point. It still stinks though. The more I listen to it, the more it puts me off. I just feel like I can't really hear anything. :/
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 26, 2012, 10:18:02 PM
It really is frustrating.  I listened to a bit of it on the way home a while ago, and some songs definitely suffer more than others.  And that first big chord Alex plays in the title track (around the 0:32 mark) is enough to make your eyes bleed, regardless of volume.  Even having the volume down low, it is still hard on the ears. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on June 26, 2012, 10:22:36 PM
It is a bit irritating that they're clearly aware of the mastering issues with the album, and have apparently 'compromised' on it. Especially after they were so aware of the problems with the sound quality on Vapor Trails. They're Rush. If any band has a say in how their albums are mastered these days, it's them.

Clockwork Angels is such a great album, and it's baffling that they wouldn't want the best possible dynamics on it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 27, 2012, 09:08:17 AM
It really is frustrating.  I listened to a bit of it on the way home a while ago, and some songs definitely suffer more than others.  And that first big chord Alex plays in the title track (around the 0:32 mark) is enough to make your eyes bleed, regardless of volume.  Even having the volume down low, it is still hard on the ears.

To amend this slightly, I should have pointed out that this mostly applies when I listen to the CD in the car.  While still not perfect, the CD sounds more than good enough on my home stereo and my computer speakers, but not in the car.  Maybe my car speakers can't handle those bass pedals, and the result is too much distortion, but some of the songs are simply difficult listens on my car stereo.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on June 27, 2012, 09:54:01 AM
It really is frustrating.  I listened to a bit of it on the way home a while ago, and some songs definitely suffer more than others.  And that first big chord Alex plays in the title track (around the 0:32 mark) is enough to make your eyes bleed, regardless of volume.  Even having the volume down low, it is still hard on the ears.

To amend this slightly, I should have pointed out that this mostly applies when I listen to the CD in the car.  While still not perfect, the CD sounds more than good enough on my home stereo and my computer speakers, but not in the car.  Maybe my car speakers can't handle those bass pedals, and the result is too much distortion, but some of the songs are simply difficult listens on my car stereo.

See, now i would have thought that the Naim stereo in your Bentley would handle the sound very well...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 27, 2012, 10:12:28 AM
:lol

Actually, I traded that in for an El Camino. :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on June 27, 2012, 10:21:04 AM
Why does Alex ruin the bass groove in Seven Cities with that feedback solo? :(
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: skydivingninja on June 29, 2012, 07:57:11 AM
https://thequietus.com/articles/09210-rush-geddy-lee-interview-favourite-albums?page=1

Geddy Lee lists his favorite albums.  There were some that I wouldn't have thought he'd mention.  Cool read.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on June 29, 2012, 08:05:45 AM
Ew Radiohead
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 29, 2012, 09:32:46 AM
Great list.  I loved seeing the Radiohead and Fleet Foxes records in there! :coolio
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on June 29, 2012, 10:48:50 AM
Great list.  I loved seeing the Radiohead and Fleet Foxes records in there! :coolio

I knew you'd love the Fleet Foxes pick.  I haven't listened to that album in a while.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on June 29, 2012, 12:09:53 PM
I like the second Fleet Foxes CD better, but the first one is aces, too.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on June 29, 2012, 12:13:13 PM
Neat that he picked The Yes Album. When comparing Rush to Yes I think that album is where I would have guessed any influence comes from.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Scorpion on June 29, 2012, 12:45:47 PM
I was really surprised that Björk appeared on that list, tbh. If someone would have asked me what Geddy Lee listens to, then Björk would have most definitely not been on that list.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on June 29, 2012, 12:50:12 PM
As with many if not most great artists, he has wide-ranging tastes and influences.  Björk is pretty wacky, but there's no question that she's very talented, and I know a lot of people really like her work.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Scorpion on June 29, 2012, 12:57:26 PM
Oh, I was in no way downplaying her talent - she's got that in spades. I was just expressing my surprise over Geddy listing her.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on June 29, 2012, 01:03:35 PM
I like surprises like that in lists, because sometimes it inspires me to check them out.  Not often, because I'm really lazy, but sometimes.

Okay seriously -- even though I was being serious before -- I just meant that if I'd never heard of Björk but totally idolized Geddy, I may say "Wow, I need to check out this Björk if Geddy really likes her".  That kind of thing.  Recently, Yes showed up on JP's list and Geddy's list.  Right now, I imagine there are people out there who've heard of Yes but never really dug into them doing just that because hey, if both JP and Geddy think they're awesome, there's probably something to it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on June 30, 2012, 11:01:48 PM
Geddy's been a Björk fan for at least 15 years now. Im surprised he didn't mention Patsy Cline actually.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on July 02, 2012, 04:05:22 PM
Everyone can send their hatemail to this guy:

https://www.audio-times.com/audiotimes/2012/07/01/brian-gardner-on-mastering-the-new-rush-clockwork-angels-album/
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on July 02, 2012, 04:49:09 PM
Quote

There is a real controversy surrounding the band’s 2002 album “Vapor Trails” inasmuch as it’s one of those albums that seems to have been mastered “loud.”  What are your thoughts on that album now, and would you approach it differently were you to re-master it?

That album for what it was … is what it was.  You can’t really judge it.  It was what they all came up with at that time.  Had it been different, who knows, it may not have been as good.


ummmm....   :facepalm:

What the crap does this even mean?   The only way to interpret this is that he gave the PC answer, not wanting to piss off whoever else was involved in that train wreck. 

Though I think the "..." was very telling.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on July 02, 2012, 05:03:47 PM
It's not even an answer.  It's just some shit he pulled out of his ass instead of actually answering the question.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Big Hath on July 02, 2012, 07:21:49 PM


What the crap does this even mean?   The only way to interpret this is that he gave the PC answer, not wanting to piss off whoever else was involved in that train wreck. 

Though I think the "..." was very telling.

that's my take.  It may be a fairly tight community and he has to see the other folks on a regular basis.  I thought it was the most diplomatic way to answer it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 03, 2012, 08:05:55 AM
It's too bad because in terms of songs and writing, I think "Vapor Trails" is the strongest thing they've released in a long, long time, but yeah, that production completely ruins it
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: DarkEternalNight on July 04, 2012, 03:26:43 AM
I feel like I can't accurately judge it until the production is improved.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on July 04, 2012, 03:31:54 AM
My parents returned from their vacation in Spain and brought me a copy of Clockwork angels. I can't wait to finally give it a spin tonight.  :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on July 04, 2012, 07:00:35 AM
I feel like I can't accurately judge it until the production is improved.

This is a bogus statement.  You can tell how good the songs are, as well as the instrumentation as well as the writing.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on July 04, 2012, 08:39:14 AM
I feel like I can't accurately judge it until the production is improved.

This is a bogus statement.  You can tell how good the songs are, as well as the instrumentation as well as the writing.

No, you really can't. I can tell the songs get potential, but am practically unable to focus on them because my ears are constantly being raped.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on July 04, 2012, 08:50:03 AM
It's incredibly distracting.  I agree with Nick; it's nearly impossible to listen to because it sounds so bad, and trying to judge any other aspects of the music is tough to do when all you hear is "bad".
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on July 04, 2012, 10:32:42 AM
I feel like I can't accurately judge it until the production is improved.

This is a bogus statement.  You can tell how good the songs are, as well as the instrumentation as well as the writing.

It's not a bogus statement, it's his opinion.  Also, for some people, the instrumentation is difficult to listen to because of the production.  It's like trying to discern how good a piece of steak is while your mouth is full of mashed potatoes.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on July 04, 2012, 11:21:49 AM
You can still get a lot out of an album and know it's a good song, just because you don't like the levels does not mean you can't differentiate a good song or a bad song.  You just don't like the mix.  That's understandible and I agree too that I'd like the levels lower but I can still tell good from bad.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on July 04, 2012, 11:40:08 AM
But to some people, the production is part of the song, because the listener assumes that is the way the band wants it to sound.

To use an extreme example, I truly cannot tell if I like the songs on Vapor Trails, the production is that bad.  It literally gives me a headache to listen to that album.  I know that I like CA, I just wish the production were better.  So if someone opines that he cannot get past the production values to ascertain his true opinion of "the music", that is a valid opinion.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on July 04, 2012, 12:51:24 PM
I've listened to Vapor Trails a million time and never once did I have a headache.  Do I like the production.  No way in hell.  can I tell the great songs from the average songs?  Yes I can.  Do I think they'd sound even better to me if the production was better?  Yes, but to say I can't tell if the song is good or bad is silly.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on July 04, 2012, 12:57:49 PM
I'm with kingshmegland on this one. :)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on July 04, 2012, 01:19:07 PM
Everybody's different.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on July 04, 2012, 03:23:34 PM
Say you're out camping with some friends.  All you have for tunes is a radio, and there are almost no stations you can get anyway.  You finally find a station.  It barely comes in, sounds pretty much like crap, all static and noise, but you realize that you can make out the song they're playing, and it's one of your favorite songs.  A completely awesome song, which by coincidence you were telling the other guys about just half an hour ago.  Hear it is!  You crank it up.

It sounds like shit, but you know the song and you can hear it through all the noise.  Your friends don't know the song; all they hear is a bunch of noise and can sortuv make out some of the words and some guitars but that's about it.  "Isn't this an awesome song?" you ask.  They look at each other.

To me, that's pretty much what Vapor Trails is.  The songs may actually be pretty good, but I have no interest in subjecting myself to the horrible production long enough to make that determination.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on July 04, 2012, 03:31:31 PM
Bob man. :lol  That's pushing it a little bit don't you think?! :lol

I get where you are coming from but it's not to the point where the ears are bleeding or you are struggling to hear the music.  I have always tooted that horn of separation and less levels in music but to say you can't say what's good or not on the 2 albums in question because you just can't listen to it is a whole other story.

I will say that for me, I play VT more than the 1st Rush album because the music is better but I play VT less than a lot of the other in their catalog.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on July 04, 2012, 03:42:02 PM
I'm being pretty harsh I guess, but it's no lie that I simply do not listen to Vapor Trails at all.  When I'm in the mood for some Rush, there are plenty of other options available.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: 1neeto on July 04, 2012, 09:48:52 PM
Gave it about 4 listens and I just don't like it. I want my 11.99 back, this album is rubbish for the Rush fanboys.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on July 04, 2012, 09:54:29 PM
Gave it about 4 listens and I just don't like it. I want my 11.99 back, this album is rubbish for the Rush fanboys.

I have been a Rush fanboy since 1982...and I do not consider it to be rubbish at all...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on July 04, 2012, 10:06:32 PM
Gave it about 4 listens and I just don't like it. I want my 11.99 back, this album is rubbish for the Rush fanboys.

What specifically don't you like about it? The writing, the lyrics, the performances, the production, the mix, the tone, the instrumentation, the arrangements, the sequencing, the choruses, the verses, the solos, etc. etc.

I've read a lot of complaints, so I'd like know if your dislike of the album is along similar lines as others' complaints have been (of which, mostly concern themselves with the production, but even those who complain about that are still impressed with the writing and performances).

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: 1neeto on July 04, 2012, 10:07:31 PM
Gave it about 4 listens and I just don't like it. I want my 11.99 back, this album is rubbish for the Rush fanboys.

I have been a Rush fanboy since 1982...and I do not consider it to be rubbish at all...

Well being a fanboy since 1982 might make you a little biased don't you think? The mix and mastering sucks, the songs are uninspiring, and the whole thing just doesn't come together right.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on July 04, 2012, 10:14:39 PM
Knock that fanboy shit off.  Just because you have been a fan for a long time doesn't make you a fanboy, especially in the condescending way you are putting it.  Believe it or not, most Rush fans are not sheep who will lap up any and everything the band puts out.  So, get real.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on July 04, 2012, 10:17:14 PM
Gave it about 4 listens and I just don't like it. I want my 11.99 back, this album is rubbish for the Rush fanboys.

I have been a Rush fanboy since 1982...and I do not consider it to be rubbish at all...

Well being a fanboy since 1982 might make you a little biased don't you think? The mix and mastering sucks, the songs are uninspiring, and the whole thing just doesn't come together right.

I re-read your previous post 2x, and I think you mean that the new album is rubbish meant to be shoveled at the Rush fanboys because they will purchase anything "Rush", am I interpreting you correctly?

Otherwise, it sounds like you are saying that Rush fanboys will consider CA to be "rubbish".
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on July 04, 2012, 10:37:14 PM
That was the way I read it.

But if he meant the opposite I still disagree. I don't automatically love everything Rush does either. Vapor Trails is nearly unlistenable...and Roll the Bones is just a terrible album by any standard imho.

CA otoh is easily Rush's best album since PoW...maybe even PeW.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: MasterShakezula on July 04, 2012, 10:53:14 PM
I've only heard the first 3 tunes, but I'd say it's good stuff.  I haven't been able to make myself sit through an hours worth of it, but I'm pretty bad at sitting through 50+ min. albums in general. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on July 04, 2012, 10:54:00 PM
Like you, I'm a long time Rush fan who has no problem admitting that there are songs & albums which are less than stellar.  Despite it's production flaws, CA is very good.  The guys are bringing it with a consistent intensity I haven't heard in a long time.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jjrock88 on July 05, 2012, 01:56:22 AM
Music is subjective and everyone is entitled to their opinion.  But I can't believe any Rush fan not liking CA; it's an amazing album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: 1neeto on July 05, 2012, 02:38:35 AM
Knock that fanboy shit off.  Just because you have been a fan for a long time doesn't make you a fanboy, especially in the condescending way you are putting it.  Believe it or not, most Rush fans are not sheep who will lap up any and everything the band puts out.  So, get real.
The album sucks, period. Only a fanboy would think this garbage is good. Sure it has its moments but from the mixing to the overall songs the thing just sucks. Can't even hear Peart's snare, and the bass is way up front.


I'll rephrase what I said earlier. This album is only for Rush fans. I'm not a fan past their 80's stuff and I hoped this album would make me a believer considering the hype, but so far after at least 4 listens, it hasn't grown into me. No way I'm gonna force myself to like this. If I don't like it by now, I'm never going to like it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: 1neeto on July 05, 2012, 02:40:47 AM
Gave it about 4 listens and I just don't like it. I want my 11.99 back, this album is rubbish for the Rush fanboys.

I have been a Rush fanboy since 1982...and I do not consider it to be rubbish at all...

Well being a fanboy since 1982 might make you a little biased don't you think? The mix and mastering sucks, the songs are uninspiring, and the whole thing just doesn't come together right.

I re-read your previous post 2x, and I think you mean that the new album is rubbish meant to be shoveled at the Rush fanboys because they will purchase anything "Rush", am I interpreting you correctly?

Otherwise, it sounds like you are saying that Rush fanboys will consider CA to be "rubbish".

Haha I meant its only for the Rush fans. Sorry I was a bit under the influence (happy 4th of July) when I wrote that.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Dark Castle on July 05, 2012, 02:42:31 AM
Knock that fanboy shit off.  Just because you have been a fan for a long time doesn't make you a fanboy, especially in the condescending way you are putting it.  Believe it or not, most Rush fans are not sheep who will lap up any and everything the band puts out.  So, get real.
The album sucks, period. Only a fanboy would think this garbage is good. Sure it has its moments but from the mixing to the overall songs the thing just sucks. Can't even hear Peart's snare, and the bass is way up front.


I'll rephrase what I said earlier. This album is only for Rush fans. I'm not a fan past their 80's stuff and I hoped this album would make me a believer considering the hype, but so far after at least 4 listens, it hasn't grown into me. No way I'm gonna force myself to like this. If I don't like it by now, I'm never going to like it.
"SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS"
This is the first Rush release I've picked up in a long while, as I haven't enjoyed their last few, and I can say it definitely does not suck as you really really really seem to think.  I MUST BE A FANSHEEPOWLBOY WHO BLINDLY FOLLOWS THIS BAND.
If you don't like it fine, but don't proclaim your opinions as a fact, it puts you across as a jerk  :loser:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on July 05, 2012, 06:03:08 AM
1neeto,  when you post on a thread of a certain band and bash the hell out of them and on an album the is getting great reviews all over, people are going to jump all over you.  fan boys like me and others.


I will be the first to tell you the production should be better but the songs are thier best since Counterparts.  To come on and post like you did is dickish.  All you have to say is, I don't think I like it because of the production and you'll get no fight out of anybody.

Does anyboody else think Rush is going this route because they want to have close to a live sounding album as possible?  I've wondered why they would sacrifice some of the separation knowing it's too hot?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: nicmos on July 05, 2012, 06:03:51 AM
The album sucks, perio$. Only a fanboy would think this garbage is good. Sure it has its moments but from the mixing to the overall songs the thing just sucks. Can't even hear Peart's snare, and the bass is way up front.

Funny, the more pronounced bass is one of my favorite things about this album.  Reminiscent of AFTK or Moving Pictures.  Geddy is really shredding it.  He's an awesome bass player.  I do wish the drums were a little more up in the mix though.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 05, 2012, 06:49:50 AM
im not crazy about it, but it certainly doesnt suck


also geddy's bass lines may be the best part
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on July 05, 2012, 10:10:07 AM
I'll rephrase what I said earlier. This album is only for Rush fans. I'm not a fan past their 80's stuff and I hoped this album would make me a believer considering the hype, but so far after at least 4 listens, it hasn't grown into me. No way I'm gonna force myself to like this. If I don't like it by now, I'm never going to like it.

Like many older bands, Rush is at a stage in their career where the music is targeted mainly at their current fanbase.  CA will sell as well or better than their previous releases, and they will sell out their concerts.

Reviews - from listeners & music review sites - have been very largely positive. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on July 05, 2012, 10:12:13 AM
WRT to "bass" on CA... I think Geddy's bass is properly at the forefront.  But the bass (lower frequencies) on the album are over-boosted, IMO.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on July 05, 2012, 10:15:12 AM
Knock that fanboy shit off.  Just because you have been a fan for a long time doesn't make you a fanboy, especially in the condescending way you are putting it.  Believe it or not, most Rush fans are not sheep who will lap up any and everything the band puts out.  So, get real.
The album sucks, period. Only a fanboy would think this garbage is good. Sure it has its moments but from the mixing to the overall songs the thing just sucks. Can't even hear Peart's snare, and the bass is way up front.


I'll rephrase what I said earlier. This album is only for Rush fans. I'm not a fan past their 80's stuff and I hoped this album would make me a believer considering the hype, but so far after at least 4 listens, it hasn't grown into me. No way I'm gonna force myself to like this. If I don't like it by now, I'm never going to like it.

You are a silly person, and quite an arrogant one at that as well. 

Here, I'll play your game: This album rules, period.  End of story.  Choke on it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nel on July 05, 2012, 10:16:43 AM
It definitely doesn't suck, but I don't think CA is that great either. About middle-tier for me. After many listens, I would say Headlong Flight is my favorite followed by BU2B.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on July 05, 2012, 10:18:59 AM
I would agree that it is a middle tier Rush album (definitely in the 8-12 range for me*), but a middle tier Rush album is still pretty great. 

*It doesn't break my top 7 of The Big 5 plus Power Windows and Counterparts, but it is in the 8-12 range along with Signals, Grace Under Pressure, Roll the Bones and either Caress of Steel or Hold Your Fire.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on July 05, 2012, 10:19:13 AM
theneedledrop reviewed Clockwork Angels. Which is a surprise, because I didn't think he liked Rush.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHhdSJLmdu8
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on July 05, 2012, 10:29:06 AM
Knock that fanboy shit off.  Just because you have been a fan for a long time doesn't make you a fanboy, especially in the condescending way you are putting it.  Believe it or not, most Rush fans are not sheep who will lap up any and everything the band puts out.  So, get real.
The album sucks, period. Only a fanboy would think this garbage is good. Sure it has its moments but from the mixing to the overall songs the thing just sucks. Can't even hear Peart's snare, and the bass is way up front.


I'll rephrase what I said earlier. This album is only for Rush fans. I'm not a fan past their 80's stuff and I hoped this album would make me a believer considering the hype, but so far after at least 4 listens, it hasn't grown into me. No way I'm gonna force myself to like this. If I don't like it by now, I'm never going to like it.

You are a silly person, and quite an arrogant one at that as well. 

Here, I'll play your game: This album rules, period.  End of story.  Choke on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wippooDL6WE
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Dark Castle on July 05, 2012, 12:09:55 PM
Choke on it.
New signature.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on July 05, 2012, 12:49:25 PM
 :hat
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on July 05, 2012, 02:14:52 PM
theneedledrop reviewed Clockwork Angels. Which is a surprise, because I didn't think he liked Rush.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHhdSJLmdu8
Oh my God, this just came out and I just listened to the album for the first time. I have to see this, the guy puts out some great reviews.

EDIT: Ouch. I expected such a grade.  ;D
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: 1neeto on July 05, 2012, 03:11:50 PM
Knock that fanboy shit off.  Just because you have been a fan for a long time doesn't make you a fanboy, especially in the condescending way you are putting it.  Believe it or not, most Rush fans are not sheep who will lap up any and everything the band puts out.  So, get real.
The album sucks, period. Only a fanboy would think this garbage is good. Sure it has its moments but from the mixing to the overall songs the thing just sucks. Can't even hear Peart's snare, and the bass is way up front.


I'll rephrase what I said earlier. This album is only for Rush fans. I'm not a fan past their 80's stuff and I hoped this album would make me a believer considering the hype, but so far after at least 4 listens, it hasn't grown into me. No way I'm gonna force myself to like this. If I don't like it by now, I'm never going to like it.

You are a silly person, and quite an arrogant one at that as well. 

Here, I'll play your game: This album rules, period.  End of story.  Choke on it.

Voicing my opinion makes me arrogant? I think the album sucks and if anything I'm not the one choking here. I must agree that the basslines are good and just about the only thing that sounds Rush. But IMO the production is terrible, the songs are "meh" and the album sounds very dated and irrelevant.

Sorry I disrupted the circle jerk with my negative opinion, but Rush is a band I respect a lot and it highly disappointed me this time.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on July 05, 2012, 03:13:23 PM
You are in a vast minority.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on July 05, 2012, 03:35:21 PM


Voicing my opinion makes me arrogant?

No, the way you are voicing it does, saying, "This album sucks, period."  Anyone who thinks their opinion is fact to the point where they have to stamp it with "period" at the end is arrogant.  It is one of the more annoying internet trends of the last decade plus.  If you don't like Clockwork Angels, that is just swell, but referring to this thread as a circle jerk also shows how silly you are acting, considering quite a few of us have expressed our varying disappointment over the sound/mixing of the record.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on July 05, 2012, 03:44:38 PM
Sorry I disrupted the circle jerk with my negative opinion, but Rush is a band I respect a lot and it highly disappointed me this time.
It's not that you didn't like the album, it's that the way you expressed your opinion makes you sound like an ass.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on July 05, 2012, 04:11:33 PM
Let's see....Low post count....antagonistic to a loyal fan base....

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Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on July 05, 2012, 06:10:42 PM
Knock that fanboy shit off.  Just because you have been a fan for a long time doesn't make you a fanboy, especially in the condescending way you are putting it.  Believe it or not, most Rush fans are not sheep who will lap up any and everything the band puts out.  So, get real.
The album sucks, period. Only a fanboy would think this garbage is good. Sure it has its moments but from the mixing to the overall songs the thing just sucks. Can't even hear Peart's snare, and the bass is way up front.


I'll rephrase what I said earlier. This album is only for Rush fans. I'm not a fan past their 80's stuff and I hoped this album would make me a believer considering the hype, but so far after at least 4 listens, it hasn't grown into me. No way I'm gonna force myself to like this. If I don't like it by now, I'm never going to like it.

You are a silly person, and quite an arrogant one at that as well. 

Here, I'll play your game: This album rules, period.  End of story.  Choke on it.

Voicing my opinion makes me arrogant? I think the album sucks and if anything I'm not the one choking here. I must agree that the basslines are good and just about the only thing that sounds Rush. But IMO the production is terrible, the songs are "meh" and the album sounds very dated and irrelevant.

Sorry I disrupted the circle jerk with my negative opinion, but Rush is a band I respect a lot and it highly disappointed me this time.

It is fine that you don't like the album. Using your "fan since x" doesn't make your opinion anymore valid though, and instead makes you sound a bit arrogant. Especially when you say it "sucks period" and anyone that likes this "garbage" is a "fanboy". Pretty much insinuating that your opinion is the only right one. And personally I agree the production is terrible, but to say that the album is shit is pretty far off base imo.I think there is a lot of great material there, but I still haven't fully come to realize a lot of it because of the horrid production.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: 1neeto on July 05, 2012, 07:16:27 PM
Let's see....Low post count....antagonistic to a loyal fan base....

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Sure because I don't live here and have a gazzillion posts then I guess I must be a troll. :roll:

The reason why I came up so harsh is because I dislike te record so much that quite simply I don't get it how so many think it's great. And I'm not alone in this opinion, this record is being discussed in other forums and many agree with me. So being called as being in the vast minority can be inaccurate. I obviously am the minority in this forum, but this thread is not the be all end all of the CA album.

Btw gave it another listen on the way to work, some songs like wrecked are stating to grow into me, but not much else. If anything I think the second half of the album is a bit stronger than the first half.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on July 05, 2012, 07:19:22 PM
hmmm..."wrecked" huh.   Do tell.

Obviously your credibility is above reproach.    :loser:

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on July 05, 2012, 07:45:53 PM
That's funny since it's getting great reviews and all the sites I go to are mostly positive.


Here is the critic's score so far.  Like I said.  You're in the minority.

https://www.metacritic.com/music/clockwork-angels/critic-reviews

Also LOL on The Wreckers.  Dude, looking dumber by the minute.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on July 05, 2012, 08:25:00 PM
Just read someone's theory, on a review of Roll The Bones, that "Rush are at their best in the studio when the album title ends in an ‘S’."

 :rollin

Is that true, though? Would you guys be inclined to agree that...
A Farewell To Kings
Hemispheres
Permanent Waves
Moving Pictures
Signals
Power Windows
Roll The Bones
Counterparts
Vapor Trails
Snakes & Arrows
Clockwork Angels

Are better works than...
Rush
Fly By Night
Caress Of Steel
2112
Grace Under Pressure
Hold Your Fire
Presto
Test For Echo

Granted, it's 11 albums to 8 (9 if you want to include Feedback), so the "Ends with -s" side already weighs a bit more... I would have to agree, though. The last 3 albums on the "non-s" list are in my middle-of-the-pack group of Rush albums, and some fans rarely listen to the first three albums, leaving only 2112 and the bleak masterpiece of Grace Under Pressure as the only often-listened albums in the second list.

In the first list though, the first 5 is one of the best 5-album-runs of all time, by anyone or any band ever, and toss in great albums like POW and CP, you've got some of the band's best. VT, S&A and CA are pretty great as well, leaving only RTB at the bottom of my list in the "Ends with -s" list. It's funny how that one observation really makes you think about their discography more in a different way.

It also makes me realize how much they like plural album titles.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: 1neeto on July 05, 2012, 09:33:29 PM
Yes I lose credibility ecause your opinion is right and my opinion is wrong. So what if I think the thing sucks and I enjoy wrecked or wrecker is whatever it's named. Had enough time in the Rush elitist high horse yet?
https://www.therushforum.com/index.php?showtopic=75396

Typical. Op comes with a strong negative opinion and the fanboys get all over his case because he must be a troll for not liking such a masterpiece.

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=1092424

Mostly fans that like it, but there's quite a few that are as disappointed as I am. Some people like The Wrecker. What is this... I'm not even... :rolleyes:

Many agree that besides the bad production, this album is a "grower", that it takes several listens in order to "get" it. IMO if an album doesn't seem good by the third listen, then by the fourth or fifth listen you're forcing yourself to like it.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on July 05, 2012, 10:13:28 PM
For fuck's sake, do you not know how to read?  Everybody has been saying the same thing, and you still don't get it.

Your opinion is not that different from many others.  It's the way you present it.  You're not just presenting a strong negative opinion; you're presenting it arrogantly, stating opinions as though they were facts, and literally ignoring anyone who tells you so (which is pretty much everyone).

You fucking whine "Oh, I have a negative opinion so everyone's jumping on my case!"  No.  People are jumping on your case because you're acting like an asshole.  If you took the time to actually read what's being said here, you'd know that.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nick on July 05, 2012, 10:38:44 PM
People need to chill out now. Neeto, you're initial posts were not well received for a reason, but frankly some of the comments back have been out of line and needs to stop.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on July 05, 2012, 10:44:44 PM
IMO if an album doesn't seem good by the third listen, then by the fourth or fifth listen you're forcing yourself to like it.

I hated almost all of Ride the Lightning for the first 4 months I owned it.   Only Creeping Death kept me coming back. 


hmmm....must have been a really bad album after all.     I see the light now.   Thank you.   You've helped me to see that after 20 some odd listens, I was only forcing myself to like what is obviously a worthless pile of dung, and not (in fact) one of the greatest metal masterpieces of all time. 

I don't know what I would have done without your enlightenment.   I am forever in your debt.   I'm off to cast to the flames at least 60% of the greatest albums I've ever heard in my life...because I've obviously been fooling myself all this time. 

 :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: 1neeto on July 06, 2012, 12:19:13 AM
For fuck's sake, do you not know how to read?  Everybody has been saying the same thing, and you still don't get it.

Your opinion is not that different from many others.  It's the way you present it.  You're not just presenting a strong negative opinion; you're presenting it arrogantly, stating opinions as though they were facts, and literally ignoring anyone who tells you so (which is pretty much everyone).

You fucking whine "Oh, I have a negative opinion so everyone's jumping on my case!"  No.  People are jumping on your case because you're acting like an asshole.  If you took the time to actually read what's being said here, you'd know that.


Perception. You perceive my opinion as arrogant and that I'm trying to pass it as fact. it wasn't my intent to try and pass my opinion as fact, I simply wanted to express how much I dislike this album. Whether you guys perceived it as arrogant, then that's your problem. Period(sic).
IMO if an album doesn't seem good by the third listen, then by the fourth or fifth listen you're forcing yourself to like it.

I hated almost all of Ride the Lightning for the first 4 months I owned it.   Only Creeping Death kept me coming back. 


hmmm....must have been a really bad album after all.     I see the light now.   Thank you.   You've helped me to see that after 20 some odd listens, I was only forcing myself to like what is obviously a worthless pile of dung, and not (in fact) one of the greatest metal masterpieces of all time. 

I don't know what I would have done without your enlightenment.   I am forever in your debt.   I'm off to cast to the flames at least 60% of the greatest albums I've ever heard in my life...because I've obviously been fooling myself all this time. 

 :hefdaddy
You're allowed to dislike something that's considered a masterpiece by most, you know that right. Just because most consider something a masterpiece, doesn't mean it's a masterpiece for everyone, and if you disagree then you're wrong. For example, most die hard Metallica fans place MOP as their greatest album, and AJFA their most creative. I disagree with the former and Completely agree with the latter. But just because I don't care much for MOP, doesn't mean I'm wrong for not liking what many consider one of the greatest thrash metal albums of all time. It simply means I have an opinion that's different to most. I was clear that it was my opinion that if you don't like an album by the third listen or so, then you're probably forcing yourself to like it.


I'm done here. I shouldn't have voiced my strong negative opinion in a Rush fan thread.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on July 06, 2012, 12:43:27 AM
I'm done here. I shouldn't have voiced my strong negative opinion in a Rush fan thread.

Well duh :lol :facepalm:

It's like going to a major sporting event and bashing the home-team, the one that everyone around you roots for, regardless of how much they like/love the team - fans are fans, whether they just show up to the game to watch, or if they wear body-paint, colored wigs and shout obscenities...for some, it's loyalty, upholding what you love...for others, it's just truly believing in it.

It's unfortunate you don't think much of the new album, especially when so many do (like those who haven't been quite impressed with a new Rush album in a long time), from casual fans, hardcore fans, fans who have fallen out of touch, to critics and reviewers who don't normally praise a band like Rush. I'd say, for them, this is almost like 2112 all over again - they stuck it out and did something no one would expect and took a huge chance with it, despite some mediocre reception to the last couple of albums.

Maybe in a couple of years, you'll listen to it again with some new ears, and give it another chance. After all, I never liked Presto very much until recently, and now I've grown to love the album!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on July 06, 2012, 01:10:30 AM
Of course I know I can like or dislike whatever I want. Heck, I catch flack all the the time because I truly enjoy St. anger and Lulu, and really don't care for The Black Album.

Against the stream...I prefer Test For Echo over the much more popular (and imo, overrated and very "meh") Counterparts.

I think Roll the Bones, Hold Your Fire and Vapor Trails are pretty lame albums. Rush IS NOT infallible. But this, IMO is their best album since Power Windows, and maybe even Permanent Waves. And the OVERWHELMING majority agrees with me.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on July 06, 2012, 06:40:38 AM
It took me a very long time to appreciate Presto - about 6 months.  Since then - 1993 - it has grown and evolved in ways that i would never have imagined.  Now, it is hands down my desert island Rush CD.

That being said, I'm with Nick.  I don't think we all need to gang up like mad chimps on one guy because he doesn't know how to express an opinion tastefully.  In fact, i appreciate people who feel that strongly, whether positive or negative, about it.  It gives me perspective that i can use and reference.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on July 06, 2012, 09:36:50 AM
Okay, so, I was at a friends's last night, and we cranked up Clockwork Angels on his stereo (he is an audiophile and has has a magnificent-sounding stereo for as long as I have known him, which is 20+ years now), and I have to say that it sounded quite good.  Yes, it still could have sounded a little better, but the bottom line is that the mix/production is not bad or anything close to that; it is simply a matter of listening to it on a good system.  Like I said before, most basic car systems are not gonna have enough power to handle all of the low bass on the album, hence it distorting it and making it sound very muddy in that environment.  But on a great stereo, Clockwork Angels sounds good; not great, not bad, but good.  So, at this point, I am gonna have to assume anyone saying the CD sounds bad simply hasn't listened to it on a good stereo yet.  In this day and age of iTunes and iPods, I'll bet that is a lot of people.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TAC on July 06, 2012, 09:57:13 AM
I would not have known this album sounded bad if it wasn't for this thread.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 06, 2012, 10:40:16 AM
I would not have known this album sounded bad if it wasn't for this thread.

Me neither. I didn't even know there was a problem.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on July 06, 2012, 11:06:28 AM
So, at this point, I am gonna have to assume anyone saying the CD sounds bad simply hasn't listened to it on a good stereo yet.

No.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on July 06, 2012, 11:17:37 AM
So, at this point, I am gonna have to assume anyone saying the CD sounds bad simply hasn't listened to it on a good stereo yet.

No.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on July 06, 2012, 11:28:08 AM
Okay, so, I was at a friends's last night, and we cranked up Clockwork Angels on his stereo (he is an audiophile and has has a magnificent-sounding stereo for as long as I have known him, which is 20+ years now), and I have to say that it sounded quite good.  Yes, it still could have sounded a little better, but the bottom line is that the mix/production is not bad or anything close to that; it is simply a matter of listening to it on a good system.  Like I said before, most basic car systems are not gonna have enough power to handle all of the low bass on the album, hence it distorting it and making it sound very muddy in that environment.  But on a great stereo, Clockwork Angels sounds good; not great, not bad, but good.  So, at this point, I am gonna have to assume anyone saying the CD sounds bad simply hasn't listened to it on a good stereo yet.  In this day and age of iTunes and iPods, I'll bet that is a lot of people.

So, lemme get this straight... if a person has a sound system that he is happy with, that provides good sound on all of his albums... put he puts on CA and it sounds kinda crummy, it's the sound system's fault?  ???

No, it's not a good job producing, Geddy all but admitted this in a recent interview, they were willing to "compromise" with the powers-that-be because they wanted to get the album out.

I don't think CA sounds horrible, my music-listening setup is pretty humble, a Kenwood tuner and Advent Prodigy II speakers.  CA sounds just bad enough to take a bit of the edge off of my listening enjoyment.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on July 06, 2012, 11:33:25 AM


So, lemme get this straight... if a person has a sound system that he is happy with, that provides good sound on all of his albums... put he puts on CA and it sounds kinda crummy, it's the sound system's fault?  ???

 

Um, yes. ;) :biggrin:

But to reiterate, I am not saying it sounds great; it doesn't.  It still sounds like a muddy mess in my car if I crank it up at all.  But on a good stereo, it sounds good, not bad or terrible like some would have us think.  That is all I am saying.  On a scale of 1-10, I'd say it is about a 6 (most PT records being a 9 or 10, and Vapor Trails being a 1 or 2, for comparison's sake).
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on July 06, 2012, 11:41:09 AM
It sounds good to me. Sometimes I wish the guitar was a bit more dominant, but that's the only small complaint I have.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ZBomber on July 06, 2012, 11:52:09 AM


So, lemme get this straight... if a person has a sound system that he is happy with, that provides good sound on all of his albums... put he puts on CA and it sounds kinda crummy, it's the sound system's fault?  ???

 

Um, yes. ;) :biggrin:

But to reiterate, I am not saying it sounds great; it doesn't.  It still sounds like a muddy mess in my car if I crank it up at all.  But on a good stereo, it sounds good, not bad or terrible like some would have us think.  That is all I am saying.  On a scale of 1-10, I'd say it is about a 6 (most PT records being a 9 or 10, and Vapor Trails being a 1 or 2, for comparison's sake).

I have a pretty good sound system. Clockwork does not sound good on it. It has nothing to do with the system, it is just horrible production. You really have to tweak with the EQ for it to sound anywhere near decent, which is what I'm guessing your friend probably did that made it sound so much better to you. It has nothing to do with the sound system though, I've listened to it through several systems now and it still sounds like shit.

Music shouldn't be made to just sound good on the highest end system and shit on anything else anyways, so I don't know why you are insisting upon that point. If anything, a higher end system will magnify the defects in the production.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on July 06, 2012, 11:59:21 AM
Actually, he did not tweak any settings.  In fact, he doesn't even own the CD yet (he is the king of procrastination :lol), and he didn't even know what I was putting on when I popped Clockwork Angels in.  And for the 773rd time, I wish like hell that it sounded better, but it doesn't sound bad or "like shit" or anything like that.  Well, except in my car. :facepalm: :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on July 06, 2012, 12:27:55 PM
Kev.  Nobody is reading your posts I guess?! :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on July 06, 2012, 01:18:35 PM


So, lemme get this straight... if a person has a sound system that he is happy with, that provides good sound on all of his albums... but he puts on CA and it sounds kinda crummy, it's the sound system's fault?  ???

 

Um, yes. ;) :biggrin:

But to reiterate, I am not saying it sounds great; it doesn't.  It still sounds like a muddy mess in my car if I crank it up at all.  But on a good stereo, it sounds good, not bad or terrible like some would have us think.  That is all I am saying.  On a scale of 1-10, I'd say it is about a 6 (most PT records being a 9 or 10, and Vapor Trails being a 1 or 2, for comparison's sake).

oh

Well, at least the production isn't as bad as VT.  It doesn't give me a headache.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on July 06, 2012, 02:09:26 PM
Hey, guys, I just noticed an interesting pattern in my opinion on Rush albums from Power windows onwards:

Power windows - great
Hold your fire - okay
Presto - great
Roll the bones - okay
Counterparts - great
Test for echo - okay
Vapor trails - great
Snakes and arrows - okay

Which brings me to my point - Clockwork angels is probably going to be great. I've only listened to it a couple of times so far, but I'm very happy with it so far. One of the catchiest tunes on here is Wish them well, but I didn't see a lot of appreciation for it here. Why is that?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on July 06, 2012, 02:16:35 PM
I've heard CA on two different high end stereo setups, and I've listened to it quite a bit with a good pair of Sennheiser headphones. It's far from terrible, but even at its best, it sounds much flatter than it should, and lacks punch.

I love the album, and the sound quality isn't bad enough to ruin my enjoyment, but it's just disappointing for a band like Rush to settle for this sort of mastering, especially when good mastering could have given it an extra kick. It's far from bad, but the problem is noticeable. It's not just an issue of listening to it on muddy car speakers.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Lowdz on July 06, 2012, 04:28:33 PM
I've heard CA on two different high end stereo setups, and I've listened to it quite a bit with a good pair of Sennheiser headphones. It's far from terrible, but even at its best, it sounds much flatter than it should, and lacks punch.

I love the album, and the sound quality isn't bad enough to ruin my enjoyment, but it's just disappointing for a band like Rush to settle for this sort of mastering, especially when good mastering could have given it an extra kick. It's far from bad, but the problem is noticeable. It's not just an issue of listening to it on muddy car speakers.

It's not like they haven't had poor sounding albums before though. throughout their long career there's been a few. CoS, Hemispheres, Signals, Presto, VT... some of those albums are great but the production/mix/master had issues for me. Shame they compromised. They are Rush ffs- they should get what  they want.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on July 06, 2012, 05:12:40 PM
I've heard CA on two different high end stereo setups, and I've listened to it quite a bit with a good pair of Sennheiser headphones. It's far from terrible, but even at its best, it sounds much flatter than it should, and lacks punch.

I love the album, and the sound quality isn't bad enough to ruin my enjoyment, but it's just disappointing for a band like Rush to settle for this sort of mastering, especially when good mastering could have given it an extra kick. It's far from bad, but the problem is noticeable. It's not just an issue of listening to it on muddy car speakers.

It's not like they haven't had poor sounding albums before though. throughout their long career there's been a few. CoS, Hemispheres, Signals, Presto, VT... some of those albums are great but the production/mix/master had issues for me. Shame they compromised. They are Rush ffs- they should get what  they want.

Since there's several editions of all these albums, it gets kind of inconsistent.  What with the originals, remasters, sector 1, gold-plated etc.

With the older stuff, I never really had an issue with the mix, but I always thought Signals sounded pretty flat, it needed some EQ to shine.  Exit Stage Left has always sounded blah to me.

Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on July 06, 2012, 05:54:52 PM
The only album I've really gotten a headache listening to was Systematic Chaos. I almost always get a headache when I listen to it.

I ALMOST got a headache when I heard Clockwork Angels for the first time.  Another five or 10 minutes and it would have happened (ear fatigue.)

Vapor Trails doesn't even give me a headache when I listen to it (Though the sonic problems with Vapor Trails are more severe than with Clockwork Angels (and have been widely documented elsewhere))

It is not sonically perfect (not by a long shot), but Clockwork Angels sounded better to me with each listen once I could figure out what was going on. When I'm listening, any problems seem to be in the mid-range where you kind of have to be patient to wade through a little of the mud. (Mostly Alex's wall of guitars.)

The LP sounds  does a little bit better though (Thanks again, Nick. I still haven't cracked open my copy.)

Yet the album still continues to kick my ass. It's never left my car since the day I got it and it's only been out of my home stereo a handful of times since then too.

I've been trying to find some way to get to another show on this leg (Philly) because I want to experience this live as much as possible.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Nel on July 06, 2012, 06:18:42 PM
Vapor Trails actually did give me a headache when I first heard it. There are some good songs on there, but I have to turn my headphones lower whenever they come up.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Big Hath on July 06, 2012, 06:57:41 PM
One of the catchiest tunes on here is Wish them well, but I didn't see a lot of appreciation for it here. Why is that?

I like the song, but it does seem to get a little repetitive.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on July 06, 2012, 07:47:28 PM
I've heard CA on two different high end stereo setups, and I've listened to it quite a bit with a good pair of Sennheiser headphones. It's far from terrible, but even at its best, it sounds much flatter than it should, and lacks punch.

I love the album, and the sound quality isn't bad enough to ruin my enjoyment, but it's just disappointing for a band like Rush to settle for this sort of mastering, especially when good mastering could have given it an extra kick. It's far from bad, but the problem is noticeable. It's not just an issue of listening to it on muddy car speakers.

It's not like they haven't had poor sounding albums before though. throughout their long career there's been a few. CoS, Hemispheres, Signals, Presto, VT... some of those albums are great but the production/mix/master had issues for me. Shame they compromised. They are Rush ffs- they should get what  they want.

Since there's several editions of all these albums, it gets kind of inconsistent.  What with the originals, remasters, sector 1, gold-plated etc.

With the older stuff, I never really had an issue with the mix, but I always thought Signals sounded pretty flat, it needed some EQ to shine.  Exit Stage Left has always sounded blah to me.

You know the remaster of Signals I payed $6.99 for sounds better than the $25 dollar Gold Disk version.  The thing that makes the gold disk cool though is the missing line from "The Weapon".
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on July 06, 2012, 07:53:28 PM
I remember reading about that!  I've always wanted to hear that for that reason.   I guess a lot of people thought there was a fault in the production....even Mobile Fidelity initially thought there was a mistake...but it turned out that the line had been *added later*...surprised even the manufacturers.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on July 06, 2012, 07:59:49 PM
Yup.  I remember listening to it with my cousin and Brother and they missed it.  For months I told them they were not real Rush fans. :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on July 06, 2012, 08:01:05 PM
I'm more in love with this album than I was with S&A

f'real
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on July 06, 2012, 08:06:11 PM
I'm more in love with this album than I was with S&A

f'real

Me too.  They seem better suited to be played live too.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on July 06, 2012, 08:45:26 PM
I'm more in love with this album than I was with S&A

f'real

IMO CA blows away S&A.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: nicmos on July 06, 2012, 09:02:10 PM

IMO CA blows away S&A.

+1!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on July 06, 2012, 10:37:30 PM
I'm more in love with this album than I was with S&A

f'real

Oh yeah, it really isn't close.  I liked S&A a ton when it came out, and still enjoy most of it a lot, but Clockwork Angels is a whole different animal. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on July 06, 2012, 11:42:23 PM
I'm more in love with this album than I was with S&A

f'real

Oh yeah, it really isn't close.  I liked S&A a ton when it came out, and still enjoy most of it a lot, but Clockwork Angels is a whole different animal.

The only song from S&A that compares with the best of CA is Far Cry (IMO).
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The King in Crimson on July 07, 2012, 10:11:06 AM
Okay, so, I was at a friends's last night, and we cranked up Clockwork Angels on his stereo (he is an audiophile and has has a magnificent-sounding stereo for as long as I have known him, which is 20+ years now), and I have to say that it sounded quite good.  Yes, it still could have sounded a little better, but the bottom line is that the mix/production is not bad or anything close to that; it is simply a matter of listening to it on a good system.  Like I said before, most basic car systems are not gonna have enough power to handle all of the low bass on the album, hence it distorting it and making it sound very muddy in that environment.  But on a great stereo, Clockwork Angels sounds good; not great, not bad, but good.  So, at this point, I am gonna have to assume anyone saying the CD sounds bad simply hasn't listened to it on a good stereo yet.  In this day and age of iTunes and iPods, I'll bet that is a lot of people.
Yeah, I agree with this.

I've listened to CA only in my car since release and it sounds, generally, awful, but on my headphones at home it does sound remarkably better.  Still not a good sounding release, but the quality jump is noticeably apparent.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on July 07, 2012, 10:24:04 AM
Pretty much anything is going to sound better on a good sound system than on a crappy one.  True, iPods and mp3s are ubiquitous these days, and in most cases they just don't sound as good, but if you make an album today, you know that.  You know that the majority of your audience will not be listening on a high-end system, so it makes no sense to create something that only sounds good on a high-end system.

One of my favorite albums, and one of the best-sounding albums I've ever heard, is The Cars.  They actually took the masters and played them in the car while driving around to see how the album sounded.  They reasoned that if it sounds good in your car, on mediocre speakers, it's gonna sound good anywhere.  And they're right; it sounds great in my car, and fantastic on my home stereo.

I'm not saying that that's the way all albums should be produced, but there is such a thing as keeping your target audience, and the likely playback conditions, in mind.  If you listen to an album on a high-end system and still only give it a 6, there's something wrong.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on July 07, 2012, 10:29:23 AM
Every song but 2 from that first Car's album was played on the radio too.  The only other time I remember something like that was with the first Boston album.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on July 07, 2012, 10:42:27 AM
Yep.  Those last two songs on Side One.  I tend to skip them, but man, everything else is gold.  I love the three-song medley that closes out the album, too.

Good call on Boston, too.  Recorded and produced in Tom Scholz's basement, back was it was pretty much unheard-of to do that, and it still sounds amazing today.

It's possible to have dense, layered music and still have it sound open and clean.  I think if they'd just stop compressing the hell out of everything these days, it would be a huge step in the right direction.  Listen to a good recording of a Beethoven Symphony.  140 instruments playing 20 different parts, and it sounds like Heaven itself.  Why?  Because they don't compress the hell out of it.  Everything blends together, but they don't crush it down and force it.  Music is supposed to have dynamic range!  When did people forget that?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on July 07, 2012, 10:43:33 AM
We are in the Ipod word where earbuds rule.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on July 07, 2012, 11:12:45 AM
I think it's safe to say though that with a band like Rush, a notable percentage of fans are going to be listening to the album on at least decent speakers or headphones.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on July 07, 2012, 11:16:02 AM
I think it's safe to say though that with a band like Rush, a notable percentage of fans are going to be listening to the album on at least decent speakers or headphones.

funny you say that but I'm a 44 year old and I listen to most of my music on my computer at work or when I'm driving.  When you get older it's harder to sit down and just crank the tunes on the stereo.  Life get busy when you're older.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TL on July 07, 2012, 11:29:37 AM
I think it's safe to say though that with a band like Rush, a notable percentage of fans are going to be listening to the album on at least decent speakers or headphones.

funny you say that but I'm a 44 year old and I listen to most of my music on my computer at work or when I'm driving.  When you get older it's harder to sit down and just crank the tunes on the stereo.  Life get busy when you're older.
Yes. I did include 'decent headphones' there.
Most of my music listening, like yours, happens either in the car or on a computer while I'm doing things. Having some 320k MP3s and non-terrible headphones, it should still sound alright, but even under those conditions, I find that CA has some noticeable sound production problems.

For the other part of what I'm saying, while a person isn't going to always listen to their music on a high end stereo, I don't think it's unfair to assume a lot of Rush fans are going to give the album at least a few spins on a decent setup here and there.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on July 07, 2012, 11:32:50 AM
I just can't listen to music with headphones at work.  Though when I'm working in my yard a have a nice noise canceling earphone that I do use.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on July 07, 2012, 12:59:42 PM
I think it's safe to say though that with a band like Rush, a notable percentage of fans are going to be listening to the album on at least decent speakers or headphones.

funny you say that but I'm a 44 year old and I listen to most of my music on my computer at work or when I'm driving.  When you get older it's harder to sit down and just crank the tunes on the stereo.  Life get busy when you're older.

That's me (only a little older).  Most of my "serious" listening is done in the car or while working out.  I always make sure the tunes in my car are good, and I rip lossless to my iPod for the first several listens of any new album, but in general, listening on my home system is a luxury, not the norm.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on July 10, 2012, 10:04:17 PM
I've heard CA on two different high end stereo setups, and I've listened to it quite a bit with a good pair of Sennheiser headphones. It's far from terrible, but even at its best, it sounds much flatter than it should, and lacks punch.

I love the album, and the sound quality isn't bad enough to ruin my enjoyment, but it's just disappointing for a band like Rush to settle for this sort of mastering, especially when good mastering could have given it an extra kick. It's far from bad, but the problem is noticeable. It's not just an issue of listening to it on muddy car speakers.

It's not like they haven't had poor sounding albums before though. throughout their long career there's been a few. CoS, Hemispheres, Signals, Presto, VT... some of those albums are great but the production/mix/master had issues for me. Shame they compromised. They are Rush ffs- they should get what  they want.

Since there's several editions of all these albums, it gets kind of inconsistent.  What with the originals, remasters, sector 1, gold-plated etc.

With the older stuff, I never really had an issue with the mix, but I always thought Signals sounded pretty flat, it needed some EQ to shine.  Exit Stage Left has always sounded blah to me.

You know the remaster of Signals I payed $6.99 for sounds better than the $25 dollar Gold Disk version.  The thing that makes the gold disk cool though is the missing line from "The Weapon".

I still think the Mobile Fidelity version sounds best...You know what though... I might just like the Sector 3 version almost as much. Very warm and resonate. I think it blows away the original and the 1997 remaster.

It's a shame they haven't released these individually yet. Perhaps next year. Or maybe they are just quietly replacing the 1997 remasters with the Sector versions.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: nicmos on July 11, 2012, 06:11:09 AM
ha, I remember getting the Signals remaster.  I remember listening to it and going "whoah, there are actually guitars in the verse sections of these songs!"
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Curious Orange on July 12, 2012, 07:14:44 AM
The engineering on Clockwork Angels is OK. It isn't good, it isn't bad, it's just acceptable. I can see that the band have gone for a slightly more Lo-Fi sound this time around, and that's fine. I've got no complaints.

But it is slightly disappointing that it isn't a whole lot better.

I have a fairly top end system, and there is no excuse for bad engineering on a CD (by which I mean the production, recording, mixing and mastering). A high-end system will make a poorly engineered album sound like sh1t, but it will also make a well engineered  album sparkle with a shine that is almost orgasmic. A well-engineered CD should sound great on whatever system its played on - high end stereo, computer, in-car system, whatever. There are so many well engineered CDs out there that there really is no excuse.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Implode on July 12, 2012, 07:18:19 AM
I rip lossless to my iPod for the first several listens of any new album,

Lossless on your iPod? How?
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: snowdog on July 12, 2012, 07:44:48 AM
I rip lossless to my iPod for the first several listens of any new album,

Lossless on your iPod? How?
ITunes lets you rip into the Apple Lossless format.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Orbert on July 12, 2012, 11:18:24 AM
I just rip to .wav and load them up that way.  iPods can play .wav.  Doesn't support cover art and other metadata, but this is just for the first several listens, then I pull it and load up 320 variable .mp3.  The CD player in my car died, but the iPod interface still works.  Line level, so it sounds great.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on July 12, 2012, 11:42:15 AM
Last night I watched Beyond the Lighted Stage for the second time ever. Amazing documentary! God, I love these guys.

Also, I just found out that iPods can play .wav files! My computer doesn't have much space though, so I'll probably continue to rip CDs to 320 variable .mp3.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 13, 2012, 09:24:48 AM


One of my favorite albums, and one of the best-sounding albums I've ever heard, is The Cars.  They actually took the masters and played them in the car while driving around to see how the album sounded.  They reasoned that if it sounds good in your car, on mediocre speakers, it's gonna sound good anywhere.  And they're right; it sounds great in my car, and fantastic on my home stereo.

I'm not saying that that's the way all albums should be produced, but there is such a thing as keeping your target audience, and the likely playback conditions, in mind.  If you listen to an album on a high-end system and still only give it a 6, there's something wrong.


Actually, the guy who mastered my band's debut album, Bob Katz (https://www.digido.com/about-us/staff-a-studios.html), (who has about 40 years of experience in the recording industry) recommended listening to his masters submissions of our album on car stereos, iPods, boom boxes, and anywhere else we could think of.    He himself listens to projects he's working on in his car and on his own iPod because the fact is, not a lot of people have high end stereos, so you really have to try to make an album that's going to sound good everywhere.   He does all of his mixing and mastering in the studio, sure, but that's only part of the process.  Listening to the work in the same environment and on the same equipment that the vast majority of your audience is going to listen to it on is crucial.


I would say that if you need to listen to an album on a high end stereo in order for it to sound "OK" then that is not a well produced album.


With that said, I've certainly heard worse albums than CA, but I don't understand why a band like Rush, with all of their experience and resources would let something like this happen to one of their albums.  In all seriousness, I've hears stuff released by independent, unsigned artists that sounds a hell of a lot better.  It's just surprising to me. 
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: senecadawg2 on July 13, 2012, 09:59:20 AM
I'm currently debating a RUSH show in October. My wallet is getting a bit thin... so...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on July 15, 2012, 10:07:51 AM
I am at the Hard Rock Hotel in Las Vegas.  They have possibly the best music playing of any store/casino/restaurant anywhere.  Just a great mix.

Anyway, since i've been here, i've heard:

Distant Early Warning
Red Barchetta
YYZ
Big Money

Mixed in with a lot of more popular rock bands/tracks from the past 30yrs.  Makes me smile  ;D
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on July 15, 2012, 10:57:39 AM
I am at the Hard Rock Hotel in Las Vegas.  They have possibly the best music playing of any store/casino/restaurant anywhere.  Just a great mix.

Anyway, since i've been here, i've heard:

Distant Early Warning
Red Barchetta
YYZ
Big Money

Mixed in with a lot of more popular rock bands/tracks from the past 30yrs.  Makes me smile  ;D

 :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: dbrooks22 on July 15, 2012, 12:42:47 PM
Subdivisions is playing right now
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jjrock88 on July 15, 2012, 05:23:11 PM
 :metal
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: johnnysuperfan on July 15, 2012, 05:25:05 PM
The Garden now playing  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Priest of Syrinx on July 16, 2012, 04:12:44 PM
I've listened to FLAC rips of the CD and Vinyl, back-to-back.

The vinyl rips sound much better.  It's quieter overall, there's a bit more space between the instruments - it's much easier to discern the guitar, not so buried in the sonic mud.

This is on a very modest system - my PC with an Asus Xonar DS sound card & Klipsch PM20 speakers.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on July 17, 2012, 02:54:59 AM
Clockwork angels ended up being one fine album. My expectations were kinda too high, though, being that I absolutely loved Caravan and BU2B, yet those two stayed my favorites on the album. Other great songs on here: The Wreckers, The Garden, Wish them well, title track...

Overall, much better than Snakes and arrows, not as awesome as Vapor trails. 8.5/10 from me...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on July 18, 2012, 11:40:33 AM
So with the coming tour and the inclusion of a small string ensemble on stage, I've been thinking about which songs from Signals onward would utilize the strings well, especially since the boys have typically been playing 1-2 songs from every album each tour from Signals to Test For Echo, and in some cases, none at all.

Signals - Subdivisions, Losing It
Grace Under Pressure - The Body Electric, Between The Wheels
Power Windows - The Big Money, Manhattan Project
Hold Your Fire - Open Secrets, Lock And Key
Presto - War Paint, Red Tide
Roll The Bones -  Face Up, The Big Wheel
Counterparts - Nobody's Hero, Between Sun & Moon
Test For Echo - Time And Motion, Limbo

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Big Hath on July 18, 2012, 12:56:23 PM
Signals - Subdivisions
Grace Under Pressure - Between The Wheels
Power Windows - The Big Money


really, hoping we get to hear these with strings.  I think it could be really good.

Hey Marc, by the way, your cd's are in the mail as of yesterday.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on July 18, 2012, 01:38:02 PM
Signals - Subdivisions
Grace Under Pressure - Between The Wheels
Power Windows - The Big Money


really, hoping we get to hear these with strings.  I think it could be really good.

Hey Marc, by the way, your cd's are in the mail as of yesterday.

Awesome, thanks! Can't wait to get them! And yes, those songs in particular would sound great with strings, and they're not out of the realm of possibility since they've all been played live in the last 10 years. "The Big Money" needs a resurrection, though! However, if they play only ONE song from POW, it should be "Manhattan Project", and if they play only ONE song from HYF, it should be "Lock And Key".

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on July 21, 2012, 02:57:08 PM
Ok...I've managed to pry this out of my home stereo, but it still won't leave the car.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on July 30, 2012, 01:29:42 PM
A sorority girl posted this on Facebook.

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/375729_3517288176969_748835740_n.jpg)


OMG Rush indeed.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 30, 2012, 01:32:23 PM
ive been asked before at school what frat i was in because i was wearing my Time Machine tour shirt
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: showdonttell on July 30, 2012, 01:33:31 PM
So with the coming tour and the inclusion of a small string ensemble on stage, I've been thinking about which songs from Signals onward would utilize the strings well, especially since the boys have typically been playing 1-2 songs from every album each tour from Signals to Test For Echo, and in some cases, none at all.

Signals - Subdivisions, Losing It
Grace Under Pressure - The Body Electric, Between The Wheels
Power Windows - The Big Money, Manhattan Project
Hold Your Fire - Open Secrets, Lock And Key
Presto - War Paint, Red Tide
Roll The Bones -  Face Up, The Big Wheel
Counterparts - Nobody's Hero, Between Sun & Moon
Test For Echo - Time And Motion, Limbo

-Marc.

This would be completely and undeniably kick-ass.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Gadough on July 30, 2012, 01:35:16 PM
ive been asked before at school what frat i was in because i was wearing my Time Machine tour shirt

You should have made one up - Lifea-Pearta-Gedda.

Or something like that. :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 30, 2012, 01:44:14 PM
damn, there's a missed opportunity
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: showdonttell on July 30, 2012, 01:50:49 PM
Another fitting song for strings: "Marathon"
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on July 30, 2012, 02:13:49 PM
ive been asked before at school what frat i was in because i was wearing my Time Machine tour shirt

You should have made one up - Lifea-Pearta-Gedda.

Or something like that. :lol

Dirk-Lerxst-Pratt Epsilon :lol
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: rush-signals on July 30, 2012, 05:09:58 PM
Too much over critiquing. The album sounds fine and  the songs are above anything we could have expected. A solid 9/10!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: rumborak on July 31, 2012, 02:53:30 PM
Just stumbled on this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=dFpI4FsjVp4&NR=1

WTF? :lol

rumborak
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: jammindude on July 31, 2012, 03:20:48 PM
That's the same video they had live on the screen on the Time Machine tour.  (it's also on the Time Machine DVD/BluRay)

I love those videos...they are reason enough to attend any Rush concert.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on July 31, 2012, 03:36:35 PM
Just stumbled on this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=dFpI4FsjVp4&NR=1

WTF? :lol

rumborak

That's what you get for not paying attention and being a fake Rush fan at these shows. :lol. Don't let your Rush buds know!
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Shattered Glass on July 31, 2012, 11:30:21 PM
On Friday, a friend of mine passed - he was 62.  The funny (considering who he was) but sad thing was that his love of yum cha and chips is what probably ending his life way too soon.  But yesterday, after his funeral, I was scanning my mp3 for good songs about this, one that did hit the spot was 'The Garden' by Rush
"The measure of a life is a measure of love and respect"
Thanks Rush for that ...
(CA does have heaps of nail on the head songs I've found ..)
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: King Postwhore on August 01, 2012, 06:30:53 AM
Thanks for sharing that Shattered Glass.  Very touching.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Mladen on August 02, 2012, 03:53:53 AM
Sorry to hear about your friend, man. And yeah, to me, Rush is one of the very few bands that hit the spot when I need something emotional yet meaningful.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Letter M on August 03, 2012, 04:03:13 PM
So I just made up this set list (just under 160 minutes long, not including videos/intros/outros, intermission, opening and closing videos), trying to come up with songs that they might play from the new album, following prior setlists and song choices, including songs that might make the best use out of a string ensemble throughout the whole concert.

Enjoy!

Set 1 (approximately 68:15)
 1. Working Man
 2. Limelight
 3. Secret Touch
 4. Nobody's Hero
 5. Between The Wheels
 6. Clockwork Angels
 7. Seven Cities of Gold
 8. The Pass
 9. Bravado
10. Manhattan Project
11. Jacob's Ladder

Set 2 (approximately 89:25)
 1. Caravan
 2. BU2B
 3. The Anarchist
 4. Halo Effect
 5. The Wreckers
 6. Lock And Key
 7. Time And Motion
 8. Losing It
 9. Headlong Flight   
10. (Drum Solo)
11. Headlong Flight Cont (with extended bass solo)
12. BU2B2
13. The Spirit Of Radio ->   
14. Tom Sawyer
15. The Garden
----Encore----
16. 2112 Overture ->
17. Cygnus X-1 Prologue   ->
18. Hemisphres Prelude ->
19. YYZ

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ReaPsTA on August 09, 2012, 02:58:38 PM
Super late to the party.

Just want to say this album is awesome.  The craft of the music is extraordinary.  And I love the mix.

Last song makes me feel emotional.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: KevShmev on August 09, 2012, 11:40:03 PM
Better late than never. :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: SystematicThought on August 12, 2012, 11:26:46 PM
https://kjablog.com/?p=3113 (https://kjablog.com/?p=3113)

You can read the preview to the Clockwork Angels novel.

My reaction: It was okay
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Perpetual Change on August 13, 2012, 06:32:43 AM
Wasn't very impressed with it, honestly.

Despite the guy's reputation, I actually do like quite a bit of his stuff. But the prose of this preview was very clunky. Lots of those characteristic "smart" adjectives tossed around, and no shortage of info-dumping.

I'll probably still get it, because it'd be fun to read alongside the album. Just not sure it'd be very good as a "stand-alone" book.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 13, 2012, 06:52:24 AM
I never really cared for his Star Wars novels, so I didn't really have high expectations for the CA novel, but yeah the preview is kinda meh.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: SystematicThought on August 14, 2012, 03:01:25 AM
I guess you guys summed up my reactions. It just felt kind of forced to me.

I kind of had one of these moments :facepalm: when I read the lines:
"Do we have to watch the streamliners go by everyday?"
"It's too small, I can't stop thinking big."

I guess the incorporation of lyrics into the writing just seems too forced...
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 14, 2012, 06:05:35 AM
I think I'd rather have the manifestation of the concept left to my imagination rather then have everything spelled out in novel form.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: ytserush on August 20, 2012, 09:13:49 PM
I think I'd rather have the manifestation of the concept left to my imagination rather then have everything spelled out in novel form.

I think that's why, as of now, I don't plan to read it  -- I never even read the preview except for the first sentence (although I pre-ordered the Gold Edition and will get the Audio book.) This is such a special record to me that I don't want to ruin it for myself.

As fate would have it, my son wants to read it so I might pick up a cheap copy somewhere.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: SystematicThought on August 20, 2012, 11:40:07 PM
Well, I think the audio book will be great because Neil is reading it, but the words alone in a book don't do much for me. Like I said too, it feels a bit forced.
Title: Re: The Rush Thread v. Clockwork Angels
Post by: The Curious Orange on August 21, 2012, 08:45:52 AM
I'd guess at:

Tom Sawyer
Force Ten
Chain Lightning
Animate
Leave That Thing Alone
Clockwork Angels
The Wreckers
Freewill
Marathon
~~~~~
Caravan
BU2B
the Anarchist
Seven Cities of Gold
Distant Early Warning
Subdivisions
Headlong Flight
Drum Solo
Jacob's Ladder
Limelight
The Spirit of Radio
~~~~~
Far Cry
YYZ
Red Sector A