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https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=145629
PORCUPINE TREE's Steven Wilson and Mikael Åkerfeldt from OPETH have set "Storm Corrosion" have set as the working album title of their much-anticipated collaboration project.
In a brand new interview with U.K.'s Classic Rock, Åkerfeldt revealed that the writing process for the CD is now well under way.
"I got together recently with Steven at his house, and we wrote a new tune straight away," says Åkerfeldt. "Of course, with the two of us involved, it was 10 minutes long. And it came out so well that we started working on a second one as well."
Although DREAM THEATER drummer Mike Portnoy was initially supposed to be part of the project, it now appears that he will no longer be involved.
"To be honest, there's just no room for drums on what we've done so far. I called Mike up, and he was cool about it. He's got so much going on anyway, and I'm sure we will work together in the future."
Regarding the overall musical direction of "Storm Corrosion", Wilson wrote in a recent Twitter posting, "Don't expect any metal on this one."
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cool
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Sounds like there's some good writing chemistry going on.
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Soon they will disband their current bands to form Porcopeth. :biggrin:
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I didn't know he was involved in it at all. Just speculations about it but nothing solid.
Looking forward to it nonetheless!
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I think it'll be better without MP IMO.
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I kind of expected something like this to happen.
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I thought this was old news.
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Mike was never involved. I am confused.
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I too think it's probably for the better. I am hoping for something "out there" from those guys, and I find Mike's drums "lock you in" into a certain musical style.
rumborak
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To be honest, there's just no room for drums on what we've done so far
I am excite.
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To be honest, there's just no room for drums on what we've done so far
I am excite.
I think I'll definitely pass now. I mean, I'll wait until I hear whatever the first promo song is, of course, but I can't think of a time in the near past where drumless rock-oriented music has managed to impress me.
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What the fuck happened to your post?
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I was j u s t a b o u t t o a s k t h e s a m e t h i n g .
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As much as I love and respect both of these musicians, I'm getting a tad tired waiting to hear some new heavy output from Akerfeldt with Opeth. I mean, I feel so blue-balled with most of Watershed and whatever that song was they released for God of War 3. And on top of that, Akerfeldt said a while back he wanted to write and record a solo acoustic album.
Again, I love and respect both musicians. But at the same time, I want some damn mehtul.
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I was j u s t a b o u t t o a s k t h e s a m e t h i n g .
Yeah, it s e e m e d k i n d a w e i r d
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Ah shit. I guess some of you know, I'm in Hong Kong now. I've been using a key-board input method for the Chinese characters, but sometimes when I have it switched off it changes my font and stuff. I don't know why. It just does it automatically. To quote icy, I'm still working out the kinks. I'd go back in fix it, but I'm too lazy.
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THAT WAS ME DAMMIT!
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As much as I love and respect both of these musicians, I'm getting a tad tired waiting to hear some new heavy output from Akerfeldt with Opeth. I mean, I feel so blue-balled with most of Watershed and whatever that song was they released for God of War 3. And on top of that, Akerfeldt said a while back he wanted to write and record a solo acoustic album.
Again, I love and respect both musicians. But at the same time, I want some damn mehtul.
If you want straight metal from Opeth I think you're looking in the wrong place. Or you can just listen to "Wreath" and "Heir Apparent" on repeat.
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Ah shit. I guess some of you know, I'm in Hong Kong now. I've been using a key-board input method for the Chinese characters, but sometimes when I have it switched off it changes my font and stuff. I don't know why. It just does it automatically. To quote icy, I'm still working out the kinks. I'd go back in fix it, but I'm too lazy.
Ah I see.
Anyways as for your actual post I can see why you wouldn't be too interested, given the kind of music you seem to like (shitty music, that is :neverusethis:)
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As much as I love and respect both of these musicians, I'm getting a tad tired waiting to hear some new heavy output from Akerfeldt with Opeth. I mean, I feel so blue-balled with most of Watershed and whatever that song was they released for God of War 3. And on top of that, Akerfeldt said a while back he wanted to write and record a solo acoustic album.
Again, I love and respect both musicians. But at the same time, I want some damn mehtul.
If you want straight metal from Opeth I think you're looking in the wrong place. Or you can just listen to "Wreath" and "Heir Apparent" on repeat.
Nonono, I think you are missing my point. I want something more...Opeth again. Think Ghost Reveries or Blackwater Park or My Arms Your Hearse (pipe dream).
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Watershed is one of their best albums. Its definitely Opeth.
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Heir Apparent, The Lotus Eater, Burden and Hessian Peel are the only songs I find worth listening to, personally. I'm not saying Watershed isn't Opeth, I'm saying I feel a little underwhelmed by it as a whole (i.e. blue-balled).
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Nah, Watershed is only OK.
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Nah, Watershed is only OK.
Man I don't get you. You pretend to be so mad when people say remotely negative things about your favorite bands, and then you make statements full of fail about them like this one.
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>Implying everything said on the internet is to be taken 100% seriously
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>Implying everything said on the internet is to be taken 100% seriously
I don't get what you're trying to say here.
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Heir Apparent, The Lotus Eater, Burden and Hessian Peel are the only songs I find worth listening to, personally. I'm not saying Watershed isn't Opeth, I'm saying I feel a little underwhelmed by it as a whole (i.e. blue-balled).
Watershed is a really good album. But it doesn't have any songs on the level of, say, "Ghost of Perdition" or "Deliverance".
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You pretend to be so mad when people say remotely negative things about your favorite bands
I don't know where you get the impression that I worship everything Opeth/PT/etc has ever done. I routinely criticize stuff about them (Morningrise immediately comes to mind)
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I think I'll definitely pass now. I mean, I'll wait until I hear whatever the first promo song is, of course, but I can't think of a time in the near past where drumless rock-oriented music has managed to impress me.
I doubt it will be drumless. I think Akerfeldt probably meant that the project didn't have a need for a specific drummer or drum style. In other words, the drums might be very minimalistic, and using a guy like Portnoy for something like that would probably, they feel, be a waste of his talent. That was my interpretation of that.
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I think I'll definitely pass now. I mean, I'll wait until I hear whatever the first promo song is, of course, but I can't think of a time in the near past where drumless rock-oriented music has managed to impress me.
I doubt it will be drumless. I think Akerfeldt probably meant that the project didn't have a need for a specific drummer or drum style. In other words, the drums might be very minimalistic, and using a guy like Portnoy for something like that would probably, they feel, be a waste of his talent. That was my interpretation of that.
That actually makes a lot more sense than how I interpreted it.
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You pretend to be so mad when people say remotely negative things about your favorite bands
I don't know where you get the impression that I worship everything Opeth/PT/etc has ever done. I routinely criticize stuff about them (Morningrise immediately comes to mind)
Okay. I want you to list as many (serious) negative things about Steve Wilson and Porcupine Tree music as you possibly can in the next 3 minutes. GO!
;)
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Steven Wilson is not blowing him as we type...
That's one.
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To be honest, there's just no room for drums on what we've done so far
I am excite.
I think I'll definitely pass now. I mean, I'll wait until I hear whatever the first promo song is, of course, but I can't think of a time in the near past where drumless rock-oriented music has managed to impress me.
I feel like I have bitched at you before for not managing your expectations and being closed-minded...
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Steven Wilson is not blowing him as we type...
That's one.
:lol
To be honest, I'm actually a little happy that MP is definitely not involved now. He's a fantastic prog/metal/rock drummer, but now they're freed up a bit in not feeling like they have to use his genre talents for the sake of it. I say bring on some prog/electronica songs.
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STORM CORROSION 2011
:hefdaddy
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You pretend to be so mad when people say remotely negative things about your favorite bands
I don't know where you get the impression that I worship everything Opeth/PT/etc has ever done. I routinely criticize stuff about them (Morningrise immediately comes to mind)
Okay. I want you to list as many (serious) negative things about Steve Wilson and Porcupine Tree music as you possibly can in the next 3 minutes. GO!
;)
Not sure if serious...
Most of Sky Moves Sideways and Voyage 34
Feel So Low has absolutely atrocious vocal melodies minus the chorus
Lightbulb Sun in general has little about it that makes me want to listen to it (though its enjoyable when I do for the most part)
Pure Narcotic's pre-chorus makes me want to tear my ears off
On that note a lot of SW's early vocals can be pretty grating
Using the number of samples they use live really bothers me
Almost all of their newer liver recordings sound pretty meh, especially the guitars
Off the top of my head. There's not gonna be a ton, because hey, there's a reason they're my favorite band.
Steven Wilson is not blowing him as we type...
That's one.
Oh, and this.
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So I wonder if this will end up being 10 minute soundscapes of guitars and vocals? Sort of the Pink Floydian side of Steven and Mikael's music... This also begs the question - will there be any more musicians on the project outside of these two? Or just them?
-Marc.
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I feel like I have bitched at you before for not managing your expectations and being closed-minded...
I think you have, but I still don't get it.
Not sure if serious...
The yellow, winking smiley face didn't give it away?
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I love Feel So Low's vocal melodies. :-\
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I'm very excited for this! I don't think that Mike was fitting with this kind of project anyway so I'm quite happy with this.
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Not sure if serious...
The yellow, winding smiley face didn't give it away?
Wow, I totally didn't even see that. WELL I FEEL LIKE A DOUCHE NOW
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To be honest, there's just no room for drums on what we've done so far
I am excite.
This.
I don't think I've ever been so excited for an album before this. And with statements like that, it's bound to be creative and awesome.
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Oddly enough, I'm not as excited about this as I would have expected myself to be. I'm more interested in the last two Devin Townsend Projects.
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Well, yeah. All I know is that we're in for a lot of great music in the coming months.
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Well, yeah. All I know is that we're in for a lot of great music in the coming months.
And that is all that matters really. :D
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I'm definitely excited about this.
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These are two guys working together that have created some magic in the past. They both leave their unmistakable signature on everything they make, so it has to be awesome. SW's always shown a penchant for using lots of m9 chords, can write awesome pop tunes AND is a terrific audio engineer, and MA writes crazy jazzy stuff and everything.. man, it has got to be great, even without the mehtul. Voices sound great together, wtf I can't wait to hear this stuff. :metal
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I'm excited to hear it. also glad it's not metal.
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To be honest, there's just no room for drums on what we've done so far
I am excite.
I think I'll definitely pass now. I mean, I'll wait until I hear whatever the first promo song is, of course, but I can't think of a time in the near past where drumless rock-oriented music has managed to impress me.
Ahaha, I'm the opposite, now I'm really excited.
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Mike would have ruined this. I hope it's not even rock oriented. I know Steven has done a lot of different, unorthodox things, but this is new to Mikael to do something completely unrelated to rock.
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I can even see this become something slightly in the vein of Simon and Garfunkel. No really.
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Personally, having those three in the room is probably a recipe for too many chefs in the kitchen. It's why MP wasn't asked back to OSI, in my opinion.
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Personally, having those three in the room is probably a recipe for too many chefs in the kitchen. It's why MP wasn't asked back to OSI, in my opinion.
I dunno... it seems to work pretty well within Transatlantic, and that's a lot of chefs!
-Marc.
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Personally, having those three in the room is probably a recipe for too many chefs in the kitchen. It's why MP wasn't asked back to OSI, in my opinion.
MP wasn't a chef in OSI.
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Personally, having those three in the room is probably a recipe for too many chefs in the kitchen. It's why MP wasn't asked back to OSI, in my opinion.
MP wasn't a chef in OSI.
No, but he wanted to be, which is the problem.
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Personally, having those three in the room is probably a recipe for too many chefs in the kitchen. It's why MP wasn't asked back to OSI, in my opinion.
MP wasn't a chef in OSI.
No, but he wanted to be, which is the problem.
In the end he wasn't, but the initial collaboration was being Mike and Jim, so he was a chef when they gathered the ingredients, but when it came time to cook, all he did was bring the flour as Kevin and Jim took over. At least that's how it seemed to me. If Mike was asked to come into this project (or any project) as strictly a session drummer, then that's what he'd do. This is what he did with A7X and he played the drum parts he was asked to, and didn't bother with writing or arranging or anything else but the drums, so I'm sure he'd be capable of doing that in any other such project/band.
-Marc.
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I thought Jim went out and asked Kev, and then Jim suggested Mike as a drummer?
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Personally, having those three in the room is probably a recipe for too many chefs in the kitchen. It's why MP wasn't asked back to OSI, in my opinion.
I dunno... it seems to work pretty well within Transatlantic, and that's a lot of chefs!
-Marc.
Good point, but it depends on the personalities.
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I thought Jim went out and asked Kev, and then Jim suggested Mike as a drummer?
I remember reading that Mike and Jim started OSI with the track "The Thing That Never Was" as a purely prog-metal collaboration, since Jim wasn't able to join Mike and Neal (Morse) for the as-of-yet-unnamed prog supergroup (originally named Second Nature, later named Transatlantic). After the initial sessions, Jim went out and sent demos to Kevin for his ideas and what Kevin sent back really impressed Jim so he brought him aboard the project.
I'm pretty sure this is right, but if I am wrong, somebody please correct me.
EDIT - some sources:
https://www.mikeportnoy.com/aboutmike/faq/answers/39.aspx#426 - MP answers what the original direction of OSI was and where it went as a reaction to introducing Kevin to Jim's demos.
https://www.progressiveworld.net/html/modules.php?name=Interviews&rop=showcontent&id=90 - Jim talks about what OSI was originally, as "some kind of side-project for myself and Mike, and in its original form it was more like a straight prog metal album."
-Marc.
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I think you're right.
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Yeah, expectations I think play a big part. OSI ending up being something completely different than what Mike was originally on board for probably would have a tendency to sour the whole thing for him. The A7X gig is a whole different story simply because of different expectations--there was no illusion at any point in time that Mike was going in as any kind of creative force. He was going into this knowing he is a hired hand who is joining to fill somebody else's shoes, and from what I hear, he is doing an excellent job. Being relegated to hired hand status after the fact would probably be a tough pill to swallow for someone as "Type A" as Mike (and even for someone who is not, for that matter).
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Mike bailed on OSI based on how everything ended up after the 1st album. A lot of that had to do with actually working with Kevin Moore. He played on the 2nd OSI album mainly as a favor, but he had no creative input, and pretty much had no interest in being involved with OSI on a creative and I'd assume any level thereafter.
But Second Nature could have been the Cat's Ass. As much as I love the 1st 2 TA records, Jim potentially would have made it even greater. But we'll never know.
Also keep in mind, Daniel Gildenlow was approached and wrote vocals for a 27 minute piece ("The Thing that Never Was").
I still think if they're wise, Mike and Jim will work together again. Even though he didn't do much if any of the writing, just listen to the John Arch EP as well.
As for this new project, I recall either Mikael Akerfeldt or some suggestion or news story comparing what they wrote to Scott Walker. Which I'm kind of wary of. Sort of minimalistic, drowney psych folk. It almost potentially sounds like some of Steven Wilson's other minimalistic projects which bore me to sleep.
oh, and Lightbulb Sun still remains Porcupine Tree's best work for me (to the user who claim they can't stand it). Although Feel So Low is probably the worst part of it/and the biggest reason why it's not a 5-star record to me.
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From SW's facebook page:
A little more about the collaboration album between myself and Mikael - so far we have
25 minutes of music, it seems to us like nothing either us have done before. Mikael is taking care of all guitars
(since he's at least 100 times better than me), and I'm playing
keyboards, percussion and doing orchestrations, both of us singing.
It's pretty dark stuff, in a way heavy music with no
heavy metal elements
Awesome. :hat
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What is SW's facebook page? The one I have is just a community page with a Wikipedia description...
By the way, that sounds AWESOME.
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From SW's facebook page:
A little more about the collaboration album between myself and Mikael - so far we have
25 minutes of music, it seems to us like nothing either us have done before. Mikael is taking care of all guitars
(since he's at least 100 times better than me), and I'm playing
keyboards, percussion and doing orchestrations, both of us singing.
It's pretty dark stuff, in a way heavy music with no
heavy metal elements
Awesome. :hat
Awesome indeed! :)
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Also from SW's facebook:
On a related note, the track I wrote for the originally planned Akerfeldt/Wilson collaboration all those years ago when it was going to be more metal orientated, "Cut Ribbon", is scheduled to finally appear on the next SW
solo album (shaping up to be a very diverse double CD)
Oh gawd
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What is SW's facebook page? The one I have is just a community page with a Wikipedia description...
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Steven-Wilson-Official-page/114657261887878
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From SW's facebook page:
A little more about the collaboration album between myself and Mikael - so far we have
25 minutes of music, it seems to us like nothing either us have done before. Mikael is taking care of all guitars
(since he's at least 100 times better than me), and I'm playing
keyboards, percussion and doing orchestrations, both of us singing.
It's pretty dark stuff, in a way heavy music with no
heavy metal elements
Awesome. :hat
That sounds really cool. Definitely sounds unique, like Ki by DTP.
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What is SW's facebook page? The one I have is just a community page with a Wikipedia description...
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Steven-Wilson-Official-page/114657261887878
Got it, thank you. :tup
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From SW's facebook page:
A little more about the collaboration album between myself and Mikael - so far we have
25 minutes of music, it seems to us like nothing either us have done before. Mikael is taking care of all guitars
(since he's at least 100 times better than me), and I'm playing
keyboards, percussion and doing orchestrations, both of us singing.
It's pretty dark stuff, in a way heavy music with no
heavy metal elements
Awesome. :hat
That sounds really cool. Definitely sounds unique, like Ki by DTP.
Hopefully it's just as unique while being 10x better than that pile.
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What are you talking about? Ki is amazing.
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Ki was quite possibly the worst album I bought last year.
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God dammit Nick.
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Real creativity comes from bands like Vanden Plas and Shadow Gallery, right Nick?
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Real creativity comes from bands like Vanden Plas and Shadow Gallery, right Nick?
:lol :lol :tup :tup
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Creativity =/= good
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That is why I love you Sonata.
Sorry Nick, I shouldn't have brought that up. I know how you react negatively to good music.
@Wake: Not necessarily, but one of Ki's greatest strengths, and what looks to be the biggest strength in this project, is how creative and unique it sounds. Ki, for example, isn't filled with 5/5 songs, but its one of my favorites because I love the whole atmosphere of the album. I have a feeling this album will be like that, but the songs will be more consistent.
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Creativity =/= good
I disagree. I don't think I've ever heard something and though, "This isn't creative at all, but it's really good."
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I think he meant creativity as "unique/groundbreaking/experimentation." At least, thats how I used the creative processes in my brain to interpret it.
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Creativity can be either good or bad.
Not being creative and releasing stale material is always bad.
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Creativity =/= good
I disagree. I don't think I've ever heard something and though, "This isn't creative at all, but it's really good."
...uh?
I suppose you don't like many classic rock bands at all? I wouldn't consider most of them very creative, but the music is still good.
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What he ^^ said.
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Totally depends on what you define as creativity. Making any kind of decent music requires creativity, but that doesn't mean experimentation or whatever.
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Creativity =/= good
I disagree. I don't think I've ever heard something and though, "This isn't creative at all, but it's really good."
...uh?
I suppose you don't like many classic rock bands at all? I wouldn't consider most of them very creative, but the music is still good.
Thats not really how he was interpreting the word "creative" that ITWOP used in a different way.
OH THE WONDERS AND CONFUSIONS OF MODERN LANGUAGE.
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Creativity =/= good
I disagree. I don't think I've ever heard something and though, "This isn't creative at all, but it's really good."
...uh?
I suppose you don't like many classic rock bands at all? I wouldn't consider most of them very creative, but the music is still good.
Thats not really how he was interpreting the word "creative" that ITWOP used in a different way.
OH THE WONDERS AND CONFUSIONS OF MODERN LANGUAGE.
English language = mind fuck.
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Creativity =/= good
I disagree. I don't think I've ever heard something and though, "This isn't creative at all, but it's really good."
...uh?
I suppose you don't like many classic rock bands at all? I wouldn't consider most of them very creative, but the music is still good.
Thats not really how he was interpreting the word "creative" that ITWOP used in a different way.
OH THE WONDERS AND CONFUSIONS OF MODERN LANGUAGE.
English language = mind fuck.
Ghoti = fish
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Apparently Steve Hackett is contributing to SW's next solo album as well.
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Apparently Steve Hackett is contributing to SW's next solo album as well.
This got me really excited.
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Totally depends on what you define as creativity. Making any kind of decent music requires creativity, but that doesn't mean experimentation or whatever.
I love your scent.
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This project is sounding incredibly exciting from SW's updates. :caffeine:
Although I feel like we should change the thread title to just be about the project, especially considering how pathetic the MP element of it is compared with the recent news. Any objections?
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How about we just rename it to something completely unrelated just to mess with people?
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How about we just rename it to something completely unrelated just to mess with people?
Clever.
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How about we just rename it to something completely unrelated just to mess with people?
What, like this?
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It worked.
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Anyway enough of that silliness. :lol
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This project is sounding incredibly exciting from SW's updates. :caffeine:
Although I feel like we should change the thread title to just be about the project, especially considering how pathetic the MP element of it is compared with the recent news. Any objections?
Actually, yes. I object. Since you did not listen, I might have to fight you soon.
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You were too slow. But if fight you I must, then fight you I will.
:heart
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More from the SW FB:
On a related note, the track I wrote for the originally planned Akerfeldt/Wilson collaboration all those years ago when it was going to be more metal orientated, "Cut Ribbon", is scheduled to finally appear on the next SW solo album (shaping up to be a very diverse double CD). Steve Hackett just played some fantastic guitar on a track for that one too.
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I'm very intrigued by all of this.
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Steve Hackett :hefdaddy