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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: Moonchild on September 05, 2010, 03:55:07 PM
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Opinions?
IMO is the worst DT song. Heavy for the sake of heavy, completely forgettable.
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I enjoy it, but it could use some editing.
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If it took out the rap, it would be fine.
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It's not their best song, but i like it quite a lot.
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Starting a thread about what you consider to be their worst song seems like a really odd thing to do, but never mind. I really like HTF, solid 9/10 song, probably my 3rd favourite on TOT.
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It's one of their underrated songs to me.
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It's one of their underrated songs to me.
This. People give the LaCake rap too much credit and stop focusing on the rest of the song. It would be better if it didn't have it: sure, but it doesn't make the whole song a piece of crap.
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I was just watching this on the SCORE DVD earlier. I think it's one of the better songs on Train Of Thought, in the middle tier with "Stream Of Consciousness" and "As I Am", and better than "This Dying Soul" (not by much) and "Endless Sacrifice" (by quite a bit).
I enjoy the used of the changing meter over the simple riff, ā la "The Mirror". It's a good tune to :metal to and has a lot of good ideas in it.
It's certainly not their WORST song, by far, but it's definitely near the bottom of the middle tier of DT songs.
-Marc.
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If it took out the rap, it would be fine.
That's the whole reason I like it, personally.
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One of the best beginnings to any song.
DONT CROSS THE CROOKED STEP!!
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Starting a thread about what you consider to be their worst song seems like a really odd thing to do, but never mind. I really like HTF, solid 9/10 song, probably my 3rd favourite on TOT.
Well I don't really have a favourite song and probably my top 5 has been debated to death because they are fairly popular songs in the DT community. I have a favourite album (Awake), worst album(SC) and worst song(HTF). HTF ruins my experience of ToT I skip it anytime it's on. The only thing I like about the song are the keyboards and those feel misplaced IMO.
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I can enjoy it. It's decent at the least. I don't think DT has released anything that I would call 'bad'.
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And btw this is FORKING AWESOME!!!!! :metal
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Very good song. Probably the 3rd or 4th best song off of ToT. And better than probably 14 of the 16 songs off the two albums that followed it.
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It would be a great song if they took out the goddamn samples. That section drags on way too long and makes the song lose momentum. Someone's gotta make an edit of the song with the samples taken out.
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It's a cool song I guess. Nothing terrible about it, some very cool riffs and keyboard riffs. And they didn't go off the deep end with the instrumental section, which is always good.
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I like that fact the Mike is angry in his lyrics and so is the song. The middle section with the samples are a bit a too long.
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Its got Steve Vai and Dream Theater in it, how could any song with the Progressive Gods be bad?
Actually its up there with my favorites, honestly, its amazing, the guitar is Epicheavy but written by good composers, The lyrics are sharp and sting to listen to, The Drumming is orgasmic, and the quotation section just wraps it all together in this epic package of epicness.
EDIT: shit, just realized Vai was in Systematic Chaos, my bad.
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It has Steve Vai in it? What am I missing?
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I don't really like it, but it has nothing to do with the "rap".
-J
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It has Steve Vai in it? What am I missing?
Hah, no, sorry, that was Systematic Chaos, I thought Steve Vai was in the Sample section. I screwed up bigtime.
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It has Steve Vai in it? What am I missing?
Hah, no, sorry, that was Systematic Chaos, I thought Steve Vai was in the Sample section. I screwed up bigtime.
Steve Vai is on Systematic Chaos?
The hell?
Oh, you mean the whole "Oh I'm so sorry, wahhh wahhh" part. Gotcha.
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Second best song in TOT.
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Top thirty, perhaps top twenty song. Not one of the strongest on Train of Thought.
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Second best song in TOT.
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One of the better songs off TOT.
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It has Steve Vai in it? What am I missing?
Hah, no, sorry, that was Systematic Chaos, I thought Steve Vai was in the Sample section. I screwed up bigtime.
Steve Vai is on Systematic Chaos?
The hell?
Oh, you mean the whole "Oh I'm so sorry, wahhh wahhh" part. Gotcha.
Yeah, the closest thing to DT and Steve Vai teaming up was Smoke on the Water at G3. but that was only Petrucci
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It has Steve Vai in it? What am I missing?
Hah, no, sorry, that was Systematic Chaos, I thought Steve Vai was in the Sample section. I screwed up bigtime.
Steve Vai is on Systematic Chaos?
The hell?
Oh, you mean the whole "Oh I'm so sorry, wahhh wahhh" part. Gotcha.
Yeah, the closest thing to DT and Steve Vai teaming up was Smoke on the Water at G3. but that was only Petrucci
No, Steve Vai jammed with them and Dweezil Zappa during Beyond this Life at the Prog Nation show last year in LA.
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At the moment I cannot think of anything more awesome than that.
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probably the most underrated song on the album (and second only to ITNOG for me). That song is like a warehouse for extremely :metal riffs
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It's decent. I love the main riff, and I don't really mind the rap part. I absolutely despise the keyboard solo, though.
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I enjoy the song, but it isn't one of my favorites
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I don't love it...I like it. Much how I like cake.
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So, I'm alone of desliking HTF. :justjen
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It has its highs and lows, I quite enjoy it.
The first two verses are kickass btw.
We're taught unconditional love
That blood is thicker than water
That a parent's world would revolve
Always around their son or their daughter
You pretended I was your own
And even believed that you loved me
But were always threatened by some
Invisible blood line that only you could see
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Opinions?
IMO is the worst DT song. Heavy for the sake of heavy, completely forgettable.
I love it. It would probably be in my top 15 DT songs, maybe even top 10.
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Very good song. Probably the 3rd or 4th best song off of ToT. And better than probably 14 of the 16 songs off the two albums that followed it.
Probably this.
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Honor Thy Father is my 3rd favorite song on Train of Thought. I don't hate the rap section but they could've used something different for that part. I also think that not all of the samples in the middle part were necessary. But still, it's a very good song! Actually, this seems to be one of the few DT songs (possibly the only song) to feature a keyboard solo but no guitar solo.
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I Absolutely love Honor Thy Father! definetely top 15!! It's just great! And fun to play on guitar as well!
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Cut out the rapping and its a superior track. I actually like the live version on the DVD.
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When ToT was first released, I thought it was easily one of the worst songs Dream Theater had ever done. Now, after a few more albums, it's still not good, but it's not as close to the bottom as it used to be.
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I love how as the song grows the lyrics get more angrier. It's a perfect song for me everything fits. It's actually one that doesn't show off.
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It's a good song, I dont mind the "rap", I think its actually fits the music underneath it, which is btw awesome. One of Jordans better solos and the riffs in this song show what a talented guitarist JP is, the intro with Mike's drumming is stellar too. I'll give it a 3/5.
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Eh, the lyrics ruin the song for me. To me, it's another MP song with cliche-filled lyrics in which he rants about someone he feels has done him wrong in life. It's kinda high schoolish to me. The music has it's good moments tho.
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Eh, the lyrics ruin the song for me. To me, it's another MP song with cliche-filled lyrics in which he rants about someone he feels has done him wrong in life. It's kinda high schoolish to me. The music has it's good moments tho.
Well Mebert, I always rip rappers for talking about T & A and bling so I like it personally if a person writes what he or she is feeling. (I know some rappers "keep it real")
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I never had a problem with the lyrics. They're not great, but neither is the music. They're angry, angst filled and childish....like the music. And there's nothing so terrible about them that stands out.
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Nah, it's fine. One of the better ones from TOT.
The worst Dream Theater song to me is Dance of Eternity.
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Ya know, a lot of people rip on the samples, but that part and the Rudess bit that follows it is my favorite part of the song. The song as a whole I really dig. Childish? Maybe, but sometimes you just have to be pissed about something. It's metal.
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I can't quite follow this logic. You don't necessarily have to write a metal song to express that you're pissed about something.
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I can't quite follow this logic. You don't necessarily have to write a metal song to express that you're pissed about something.
No but considering the subject matter, comments such as "heavy for the sake of heavy" make zero sense. The lyrics and music compliment each other very well. I also don't find the song childish at all, angsty maybe, but everyone feels angst, including adults.
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I can't quite follow this logic. You don't necessarily have to write a metal song to express that you're pissed about something.
No but considering the subject matter, comments such as "heavy for the sake of heavy" make zero sense. The lyrics and music compliment each other very well. I also don't find the song childish at all, angsty maybe, but everyone feels angst, including adults.
Cons:My main problem is with the music not the lyrics because they wrote a lot worse than that already.
The rapping is obnoxious, Portnoys input is strange to say the least on the don't watch the crooked step parts, the simple guitar riffs repeat a lot and if they don't have melodic Keyboards that accompany them (check Mirror) it sucks.
IMO and strangely enough it's the least progressive DT song even if it clocks more than 10 min.
Pros: This and the keyboard solos.
"On and on and on and on it goes
It's so easy to run away with nothing in tow
How can you ever sleep a wink at night
Pretending that everything is alright
And have the nerve to blame this mess on me
Never in my life have I seen someone
So ignorant to the damage he has done
You're the rotted root in the family tree
I tried your 4 bill therapy
I tried to make amends
But nothing could lure you out of your selfish shell again
Expecting everyone to bow and kiss your feet
Don't you see respect is not a one way street
Blaming everyone for all that you've done wrong
I'll get my peace of mind when you hear this song
On and on and on and on it goes
And with every passing day true colors show"
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HTF is alright.
In the Name of God
Stream of Consciousness
Endless Sacrifice
Honor Thy Father
It's been ages since I heard ToT.
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Yeah, but...... DON'T WATCH THE CROOKED STEP :neverusethis:
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Starting a thread about what you consider to be their worst song seems like a really odd thing to do, but never mind. I really like HTF, solid 9/10 song, probably my 3rd favourite on TOT.
This. One of my favs on ToT also.
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Yeah, but...... DON'T WATCH THE CROOKED STEP :neverusethis:
Don't CROSS the crooked step, genius.
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Yeah, but...... DON'T WATCH THE CROOKED STEP :neverusethis:
Don't CROSS the crooked step, genius.
I believe he was quoting Moonchild's post...
-Marc.
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Shit.
- hef
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Yeah, but...... DON'T WATCH THE CROOKED STEP :neverusethis:
Don't CROSS the crooked step, genius.
I believe he was quoting Moonchild's post...
-Marc.
Yes, but I believe he is also a doofus.
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I just don't like threads such as this one. I have never been a fan of starting threads about songs you don't like on a bands fan board. It tends to become too heated and brings out the trolls.
Honor Thy Father is a fine song as far as I'm concerned.
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I just don't like threads such as this one. I have never been a fan of starting threads about songs you don't like on a bands fan board. It tends to become too heated and brings out the trolls.
Once again, Tick is the mature voice of reason.
EDIT: Wait, I mean just: Tick is the mature voice of reason.
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I just don't like threads such as this one. I have never been a fan of starting threads about songs you don't like on a bands fan board. It tends to become too heated and brings out the trolls.
Once again, Tick is the mature voice of reason.
EDIT: Wait, I mean just: Tick is the mature voice of reason.
Hey now! :lol
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:lol
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:lol
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I love this song. I don't know where it would rank for me, maybe top 20? But overall probably the second best song on Train of Thought
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It's a great song to just rock out to. Plus it's got Christopher Walken in it, so it's good in my book.
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I just don't like threads such as this one. I have never been a fan of starting threads about songs you don't like on a bands fan board. It tends to become too heated and brings out the trolls.
Once again, Tick is the mature voice of reason.
EDIT: Wait, I mean just: Tick is the mature voice of reason.
sheckybosk1. :lol
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Zook 1 hef 0
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Yeah, but...... DON'T WATCH THE CROOKED STEP :neverusethis:
watch cross..
touché ;D
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I don't know if there is or not, but is there any significant reasoning for "don't cross the crooked step", or is it just a random lyric?
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It's just a lyric that emphasizes that musical part
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Starting a thread about what you consider to be their worst song seems like a really odd thing to do, but never mind. I really like HTF, solid 9/10 song, probably my 3rd favourite on TOT.
Me too! :metal
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I don't know if there is or not, but is there any significant reasoning for "don't cross the crooked step", or is it just a random lyric?
Disagree, if you actually take time to study the lyrics, its significance to Honor Thy father is equal to "Fair is Foul and Foul is Fair" is to Macbeth
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I don't know if there is or not, but is there any significant reasoning for "don't cross the crooked step", or is it just a random lyric?
Disagree, if you actually take time to study the lyrics, its significance to Honor Thy father is equal to "Fair is Foul and Foul is Fair" is to Macbeth
Wut?
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I don't know if there is or not, but is there any significant reasoning for "don't cross the crooked step", or is it just a random lyric?
Portnoy wrote this song about his step father. The line has a cryptic meaning, basically saying he is a crooked (shitty) step father.
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I don't know if there is or not, but is there any significant reasoning for "don't cross the crooked step", or is it just a random lyric?
Disagree, if you actually take time to study the lyrics, its significance to Honor Thy father is equal to "Fair is Foul and Foul is Fair" is to Macbeth
Wut?
LOL, yeah wut?