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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: Genowyn on August 23, 2010, 11:47:18 PM
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Let's get a thread going for these beasts. Just came back from their concert in Toronto, it was fucking amazing. Blew the first concert of theirs I saw (playing in the Family Values Tour). They stuck to mostly the heavy stuff, which is fine, but I don't think they played anything older than Vulgar, which is unfortunate. Most of my favorite songs come from GAUZE and Kisou, today's concert was mostly Uroboros and Marrow, with a couple off Withering and Obscure from Vulgar. I'll get the exact setlist when I can get my hands on it.
Anyway, appreciate! :metal :metal
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Only have Uroboros, but it's fucking amazing.
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Just searched them in Wiki. I'm interested.
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Here's the setlist from last night:
SA BIR
RED SOIL
Agitated Screams of Maggots
GAIKA, CHINMOKU GA NEMURU KORO
HAGESHISA TO, KONO MUNE NO NAKA DE KARAMITSUITA SHEKUNETSU NO YAMI
BUGABOO
SHOKUBENI
OBSCURE
INWARD SCREAM
DOZING GREEN
VINUSHKA
THE FINAL
REIKETSU NARISEBA
RASETSUKOKU
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No Dokouto to Sarinu? I am disappoint.
However,
REIKETSU NARISEBA
:hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Gonna check these guys out.
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You definitely should. Now, which album you should start with entirely depends on what kind of music you're looking for...because if you listen to GAUZE it's gonna be a drastically different experience than Uroboros.
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Only have Uroboros, but it's fucking amazing.
This. I'm really loving this band right now!
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So has anyone checked out any albums other than Uroboros? I'm curious to hear what people think if they have.
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So has anyone checked out any albums other than Uroboros? I'm curious to hear what people think if they have.
Not yet! I'll get to it pretty soon though. What album do you recommend?
Also, is it me or the music video for "Obscure" is the most fucked-up, horrifying thing ever? I couldn't even watch it all the way through.
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Heheh
Seeing the band get as big internationally as they did is so funny to me since when I was first introduced to them, they looked and sounded like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSZl6pWlWoQ&feature=related
Ahhhh... Visual Kei ;D
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Cage was one of the first songs I heard by them, and its still one of my favorites.
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So has anyone checked out any albums other than Uroboros? I'm curious to hear what people think if they have.
Not yet! I'll get to it pretty soon though. What album do you recommend?
That's a difficult question :lol
If you want something that is closer in sound to Uroboros, check out The Marrow of a Bone. If you want something that is rather different, check out GAUZE. That being said, my favorite is probably Kisou.
Also, is it me or the music video for "Obscure" is the most fucked-up, horrifying thing ever? I couldn't even watch it all the way through.
I love that video :metal :metal
Their first album, GAUZE, has a video for almost every song, and some of them are pretty screwed up as well, particularly the ones for Cage and Raison D'etre.
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Also, is it me or the music video for "Obscure" is the most fucked-up, horrifying thing ever? I couldn't even watch it all the way through.
This is worse... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Az_7U0-cK0)
EDIT: Clarifications are fun!
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You want a fucked up music video look up Ohrwurm by Cephilic Carnage.
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You want a fucked up music video look up Ohrwurm by Cephilic Carnage.
:lol
There is a line when 'goriness' ceases to be horrifying and becomes ridiculously hilarious. This video nuked that line from orbit, then took a giant, intergalactic dump on its smoldering remains.
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:lol EXPLODING PENIS TIME
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I saw them when Fair to Midland opened for them. They're okay, although I guess if I want to listen to j-rock, I'd go for Malice Mizer or X-Japan 1st.
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Dir En Grey is far more than just J-rock IMO...
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Dir En Grey is far more than just J-rock IMO...
Agreed.
Also, Kyo is one of my favorite singers in any band, just putting that out there. That man can do some insane things with his voice.
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Kyo is a beast. Up there with Devin Townsend as one of the most diverse vocalists out there. Anyone who can go from Grindcore vocals to actual singing while sounding a) natural and b) good is awesome in my book.
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Also, is it me or the music video for "Obscure" is the most fucked-up, horrifying thing ever? I couldn't even watch it all the way through.
This is worse... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Az_7U0-cK0)
EDIT: Clarifications are fun!
Worse? Have you even seen Obscure (the uncut version)? "Come to Daddy" is somewhat unsettling but it's nothing comparing to the other.
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Also, is it me or the music video for "Obscure" is the most fucked-up, horrifying thing ever? I couldn't even watch it all the way through.
This is worse... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Az_7U0-cK0)
EDIT: Clarifications are fun!
Worse? Have you even seen Obscure (the uncut version)? "Come to Daddy" is somewhat unsettling but it's nothing comparing to the other.
Yeah, it's gory and weird, but that's all it really is to me.
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That's fine! Those things are subjective anyway :tup
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Hey, look, a thread for me. A lovely sight to see :smiley:
Uroboros and Vulgar are two of my favorite albums. Absolutely insane vocalist.
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Dir en Grey is officially fucking awesome in my book now. :heart
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I really want to check their other stuff but I'm still in my Uroboros high right now! This album is just incredible. :metal
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I really want to check their other stuff but I'm still in my Uroboros high right now! This album is just incredible. :metal
You really should, but keep in mind most of it is very different from Uroboros.
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Fans of Uroboros should like Withering To Death and Vulgar, not sure about anything earlier though.
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I would love to see someone's reaction if they listened to Uroboros, then immediately put on Missa.
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Haha I don't have that. I have the albums of Macabre to Uroboros.
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You should really pick up Gauze, it's a great album.
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I went to pick up Uroboros yesterday from BestBuy and I had been shopping for several other stuff that I didn't pay attention that I picked up the wrong album, after I opened the packaging I noticed it said Uroboros -With the Proof in the Name of Living...- At Nippon Budokan, so it's a live performance and not the album.
I listened to most of the album online though and it's pretty good.
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So I only just noticed, but apparently Diru had a new single out in January called Lotus. Pretty good. Check it out :biggrin:
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I've been listening to Uroboros at least once a day this past week and I love it even more each time! :hefdaddy
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Bought the live album today out of curiosity and I'm blown away, really. Can't stop listening to them, definitely going to buy their albums. I guess I'll pick up GAUZE next because I'm addicted to Cage and the other songs sound great as well.
Kyo really is an amazing vocalist. Extremely versatile and his growls are amazing!
Thanks for introducing me to them!
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New album coming August 3rd (to Japan anyway), Dum Spiro Spero.
https://www.direngrey.co.jp/english/e-newrelease.html
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YESSS
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Both singles, "Lotus" and the new one "Different Sense" sounds AWESOME!! I'm super excited for the new album! :metal
EDIT: Oh yeah and the "SAW 3D" song is pretty good too!!
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I'm in such major DIR EN GREY kick lately... I only have UROBOROS and their latest DVD though. I'll probably pick up Vulgar or Withering to death soon enough. :tup
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I'm in such major DIR EN GREY kick lately... I only have UROBOROS and their latest DVD though. I'll probably pick up Vulgar or Withering to death soon enough. :tup
Have you heard Kisou yet? It's rapidly moving to overtake Uroboros as my favorite album of theirs!
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I have not! All I've heard beside Uroboros is a couple of live songs. I suppose their sound was fairly different then!
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New DEG out tomorrow. Apparently it's very good so I can't wait to buy it!!
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HOLY SHIT WTF THE NEW ALBUM IS AWESOME
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so yeah Uroboros is kinda cool
by that I mean totally awesome
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HOLY SHIT WTF THE NEW ALBUM IS AWESOME
Going to need a few more listens, but yeah I love it so far.
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HOLY SHIT WTF THE NEW ALBUM IS AWESOME
I'm gonna need to give it a few more listens but yeah it's pretty cool eh
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This new CD is incredible. Definitely not a let-down, even if Uroboros was a masterpiece! :metal
EDIT: It looks like a big grower though..
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According to their official website https://www.direngrey.co.jp, Japanese metal band Dir en grey are planning on re-releasing their 8th album "Uroboros". The album will be remastered and will include extended versions and interludes.
The album is set for a January 2012 release date.
In promotion for the release, the band will be playing a show in Osaka titled "UROBOROS -that's where the truth is-" on January 22, 2012 and releasing their latest live DVD "UROBOROS -with the proof in the name of living...- AT NIPPON BUDOKAN" on Blu-ray as a directors cut.
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I thought that album just came out a few years ago, weird to re-release it again this soon.
But oh well.
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idk that's what I thought when I read it... I'll still check it out though
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The music video to Obscure is awesomely disgusting. My friend tried to show it to me, although I've already seen it. Apparently our friends 7-year-old sister showed it to him. :rollin
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Uroboros is a great, great album so I will surely check this out!
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...but why?
I'd much sooner want to see a re-imagination of an album of theirs that is less current. As of now it doesn't make a whole lot of sense and doesn't interest me at all unless they are planning to make serious changes to it.
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Maybe it was just me, but I thought the production on Uroboros was kind of shit. It's been a while since I've listened to it, but I remember hearing some clipping on the drums during some parts. I'm no audiophile, but I winced at those sections.
If the rerelease means a remix, then I'd say this is good news.
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Just bought Uroboros. God this is amazing. Vinushka might be one of my favourite songs by anyone.
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I know I'm late to the party, but I've been checking out Dir En Grey lately, and I've been blown away. Uroboros is the only album I know and have listened to so far, but I did pick up the deluxe edition of Dum Spiro Spero. (awesome that they had it in the store) Haven't had time to listen to it yet, I really wanna give Uroboros more spins before I move on. I don't think I would have liked the band if I had heard them 1 ½ year ago, but now the timing was just right. After listening to Sigur Rós and Alcest so much, it doesn't bother me anymore if the language isn't english, something that would have bothered me a few years ago. :lol
But yeah, Kyo is a sick vocalist, and Uroboros is quite possibly one of the best metal-albums I've heard. (that diversity!)
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Uroboros is fantastic indeed. :tup I need to listen to it again soon.
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I've been listening to Dum Spiro Spero a few times the last days, and it's a brilliant album as well. The band is really talented, and while they are all fantastic, Kyo is probably the one that has blown me away the most. Clean singing, growls, screams, shrieks, what hasn't he done? :lol
From what I understand the band's catalog before Uroboros is a bit of a change, different styles and so on, but just judging by these two latest albums, I can't believe that this band isn't more popular on this forum. Sure they can be a bit extreme at times, but many of the songs have quite a "progressive"-feel, and I also know that a lot of people here love Avant-Garde Metal, which probably is the most fitting genre for the last two albums.
Anyhow, this band fuckin' slays. :metal
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God damn. Uroboros is blowing my mind and body. So much win.
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God damn. Uroboros is blowing my mind and body. So much win.
That album is mindblowingly good. I think Dum Spiro Spero is close though, but Uroboros remains my favorite.
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So yeah, Uroboros still fucking rules. I think I'm past the honeymoon phase now, and I'm looking to branch out. I've got Dum Spiro Spero, and it's pretty decent. Any other recommendations?
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I feel a bit guilty because I only know Uroboros and Dum Spiro Spero well. I love both, and they're almost equal in terms of quality. I have listened to the album that came out before Uroboros; "The Marrow of a Bone" which was alright I guess. Less experimental/progressiveness/avant-gardeness and more 'straight forward'-deathcore songs.
I'll probably give it another chance, but from what I understand they have other cool albums earlier in the catalogue.
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I checked out a few songs from Marrow and Withering to Death, and I liked what I heard. Then again, I like straight-ahead metal just as much as anything else, so that's definitely not a problem for me.
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Cool. I don't have any problem with the more "straight-ahead" songs either, but from what I remember the weakness on Marrow was that it felt a bit "samey". I will listen to it again, maybe it will click way more. I haven't given up. :P
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New EP came out today. It features a new song and a bunch of re-recorded songs. It's quite lengthy for an EP though. With the limited edition bonus disc (which includes a remake of MACABRE and two unplugged tracks), it amounts to over an hour of music. It's pretty cool to listen to since I'm not very familiar with their pre-Uroboros material, and it'll be interesting to explore the rest of their catalog and see how these songs fit in with the context of their respective albums.
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Picked up Uroboros yesterday, which is currently blowing my mind. :metal
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Uroboros is a masterpiece. I think Dum Spiro Spero is almost as good, and the latest EP was really good too. That new version of Macabre... :metal
Can't wait for a new album.
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Yeah, Dum Spiro Spero is amazing as well. I had planned on picking it up as well, but the music store didn't have it. I'd like to delve into their back catalog as well.
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Oh man, haven't listened to Uroboros in a while. Thanks for bumping this thread :metal
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As much as I love Uroboros, I think I may actually prefer Dum Spiro Spero ever so slightly. Uroboros is some fucking amazing music, but Dum Spiro Spero has this unshakable darkness throughout the whole thing, and it doesn't really let you up for air until Vanitas. It's oppressively beautiful.
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Dum Spiro Spero never really clicked with me like Uroboros did, for whatever reason. But I'm listening to it again now, and it's definitely another damn good album.
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I've heard most of Dum Spiro Spero, but I'm waiting until I get the physical disc to form a solid opinion.
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Dum Spiro Spero never really clicked with me like Uroboros did, for whatever reason. But I'm listening to it again now, and it's definitely another damn good album.
It's a massive grower, for sure. The opening two tracks used to turn me off completely, but now I enjoy them as mood setters. Regardless, Different Sense is the best song ever made.
Just for funsies, song rankings
1. Different Sense
2. Diabolos
3. Vanitas
4. Lotus
5. Ruten no Tou
6. Yokuso ni Dreambox
7. Juuyoku
8. Decayed Crow
9. Akatsuki
10. Shititaru Morou
11. The Blossoming Beelzebub
12. Amon
13. Hageshisa To, Kono Mune no Naka de Karamitsuita Shakunetsu no Yami (fucking memorized that shit)
14. Kyokotsu no Nari
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Yeah I definitely don't know the album well enough to do a full ranking, or even memorize all of the song names for that matter :lol
But Diabolos, Vanitas and Lotus definitely stand out for me too. Different Sense is also good, but I think I would rank it below these, probably, maybe, I don't know.
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Uroborus is the tits. Dum Spiro Spero is definitely the one I'll check out next.
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I don't know how I would rank the album song to song, but The Blossoming Beelzebub is easily my favorite. Might even be my favorite Dir En Grey song overall.
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I don't know how I would rank the album song to song, but The Blossoming Beelzebub is easily my favorite. Might even be my favorite Dir En Grey song overall.
I was actually trying to find you the other day to ask you what it is that you like about it so much. :lol I mean, it's good stuff and everything, but there's hardly anything in it that screams Dir En Grey to me. There's really nothing else like it in their entire discog.
Uroborus is the tits. Dum Spiro Spero is definitely the one I'll check out next.
Good decision. Dir En Grey hasn't released the same album twice, but Dum Spiro Spero is certainly the closest in style to Uroboros. The new EP would be good too most likely.
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Isn't the new EP mostly old music and live tracks?
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I don't know how I would rank the album song to song, but The Blossoming Beelzebub is easily my favorite. Might even be my favorite Dir En Grey song overall.
I was actually trying to find you the other day to ask you what it is that you like about it so much. :lol I mean, it's good stuff and everything, but there's hardly anything in it that screams Dir En Grey to me. There's really nothing else like it in their entire discog.
I just really love how the song keeps building and has all these moments where Kyo seems like he's gonna explode and go off the rails vocal-wise, but still sort of contains it. It's a pretty atmospheric song and while some might say it "meanders on" without reaching a climax, as an opener (not counting the intro) I love it, and when it finally leads into Different Sense, that's the payoff, when the album really kicks into high gear.
Also, there's a scream by Kyo towards the end of Beelzebub which just sends shivers down my spine. So epic.
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So does anyone else listen to their earlier stuff? It's totally different from their more recent output, but I really love Gauze, and the EP Missa.
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I don't know how I would rank the album song to song, but The Blossoming Beelzebub is easily my favorite. Might even be my favorite Dir En Grey song overall.
I was actually trying to find you the other day to ask you what it is that you like about it so much. :lol I mean, it's good stuff and everything, but there's hardly anything in it that screams Dir En Grey to me. There's really nothing else like it in their entire discog.
I just really love how the song keeps building and has all these moments where Kyo seems like he's gonna explode and go off the rails vocal-wise, but still sort of contains it. It's a pretty atmospheric song and while some might say it "meanders on" without reaching a climax, as an opener (not counting the intro) I love it, and when it finally leads into Different Sense, that's the payoff, when the album really kicks into high gear.
Also, there's a scream by Kyo towards the end of Beelzebub which just sends shivers down my spine. So epic.
Yeah I pretty much feel the same about it. Awesome song.
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Isn't the new EP mostly old music and live tracks?
Yeah, how much of the EP is new content?
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I don't know how I would rank the album song to song, but The Blossoming Beelzebub is easily my favorite. Might even be my favorite Dir En Grey song overall.
I was actually trying to find you the other day to ask you what it is that you like about it so much. :lol I mean, it's good stuff and everything, but there's hardly anything in it that screams Dir En Grey to me. There's really nothing else like it in their entire discog.
I just really love how the song keeps building and has all these moments where Kyo seems like he's gonna explode and go off the rails vocal-wise, but still sort of contains it. It's a pretty atmospheric song and while some might say it "meanders on" without reaching a climax, as an opener (not counting the intro) I love it, and when it finally leads into Different Sense, that's the payoff, when the album really kicks into high gear.
Also, there's a scream by Kyo towards the end of Beelzebub which just sends shivers down my spine. So epic.
Yeah, I definitely get that. I know exactly what scream you're talking about too. Definitely the highlight of the song. Kyo's just phenomenal as a whole.
So does anyone else listen to their earlier stuff? It's totally different from their more recent output, but I really love Gauze, and the EP Missa.
Ding ding. I've got all the studio albums (No Missa or Six Ugly I'm afraid), and I like them all to varying degrees. My album ranking would go somewhat like this:
1. Dum Spiro Spero
2. Uroboros
3. Gauze
4. The Marrow of a Bone
5. Macabre
6. Withering to Death
7. Kisou
8. Vulgar (No idea why, but I really haven't been able to get into this one as easily as the others)
But yeah, I definitely like most everything they've put out. A lot of the pre-Uroboros material has a fair amount of filler on it (with the exception of Gauze which is flawless from start to finish), but it's still some great stuff. I've been dying to talk to people about this band, so I'm excited the thread's finally gaining some steam.
Isn't the new EP mostly old music and live tracks?
Yeah, how much of the EP is new content?
The EP has one new track, 6 re-recordings of older songs in their new style (so, drastically different). One could quite easily enjoy them on their own, I would think. The bonus disc also comes with a 16 minute re-recording of Macabre, which is one of the most epic songs they've ever done. Seriously, it's ridiculous. I think most people are in agreement that the best way to experience Dir en Grey's discography is to start with Uroboros, DSS, and maybe Unraveling, and then go backwards from there. The early stuff really is frightfully different from their current output, but it's still great.
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Hmm, I'll try to get The Unraveling, then, if there's a fair amount of new (or reinterpreted) material. I also listened to some of Withering To Death, and really enjoyed it. Sometime when my internet isn't so terrible I'll check out their early stuff. :metal
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(with the exception of Gauze which is flawless from start to finish)
You got that right! I remember Cage was the first Dir En Grey song I heard, back when I was like 12 or 13, and I was absolutely addicted to it, that is the catchiest damn song ever :lol
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Yeah, Cage is lovely. I'm also very fond of Yurameki and Yokan for sharing a similarly catchy experience. I love the heavier, more experimental stuff too though. Hell, I even love Schwein no Isu. :p
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Bumping since I bought Dum Spiro Spero.
I already had Marrow of the Bone, and although it has a few really good songs, I didn't really get into it. DSS, on the other hand, is good all the way through. Dark, sometimes chaotic.
The only problem isn't with the album per se, but with the lack of Japanese lyrics in the booklet. It's nice to have the translations, but I would've liked the Japanese lyrics also :P
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I would recommend getting Uroboros next.
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Yeah get Uroboros immediately. That album fucking slays.
Also a new single came out recently and it's pretty damn good.
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Here's the single for those who have been missing out. Sounds a bit like a mix between the groovier Vulgar/Withering style and the more epic sweeping Lotus-y stuff they've been doing lately.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GQDfmlDLck
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Just listened to Uroboros for the first time a few days ago and really enjoyed it! The version I listened to is the remastered and expanded version BTW.
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I really, really don't like that version at all. :lol People complained about the drums sounding over-compressed on the original, but I feel like everything about Uroboros contributes to how amazing it is, and all those little quirks they removed from the remaster pretty much killed it for me.
Also, the Hydra remake and the intro to Bugaboo completely demolishes the flow of the album (and Sa Bir is way way way too long).
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I agree that the original version has better flow. Sound-wise, I don't really have a strong opinion, I got the remastered version, so that's the one I'm used to. From what I've heard, the remaster sounds a lot cleaner overall, though the guitars sound a lot brighter and less muddy in the original.
Oh, and I got Dum Spiro Spero recently. It was definitely more of a grower, but it's awesome.
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Hmm...might get the original version at some point. I actually like the track listing and bonus DVD on the American version actually, but listened to the remastered just because I thought it was the better sounding one out of the other versions. Just got done watching their Wacken 2007 performance and I thought it was funny how the crowd was standing still not knowing how to react or respond at the end of every song :lol
Judging by most of you here, I'm gonna give Dum Spiro Spero a spin next.
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Dum Spiro Spero is fucking incredible. As others have said, it's a big grower, and the opening of Blossoming Beelzebub can be off-putting. Thankfully, the song that immediately follows is the best song the band has ever recorded.
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The Blossoming Beelzebub is fantastic.
Different Sense is good, but it just barely misses being in my top five favorite songs on the album (Which would probably be TBB, Dreambox, Lotus, Diabolos, and Vanitas, in no particular order)
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Ware, Yami Tote... remains my favorite.
Although, Uroboros is the only album I own.
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The Blossoming Beelzebub is easily one of their best imo. I would say it's one of the standout songs on Dum Spiro Spero, not just because of quality, but because of the structure and how it sounds. Most of the songs are shorter, fast paced and straight up metal, and TBB is a very different kind of beast.
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New album in November. :metal
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New album in November. :metal
Fuck yeah.
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So no news at all pretty much about the new album still but the good news is that every day gets closer to November. What do you guys think about this new release they will do next week in the meantime?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a84yDvozuM
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I was not really into Dum Spiro Spero, and I would say they were trending downward since Withering if not for Uroboros.
So just hoping for another Uroboros rather than Marrow/DSS :lol
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I adore pretty much everything they've done. I'm still getting used to Kisou and Vulgar, but I can't say they have a single song that I outright dislike. Dum Spiro Spero is a masterclass of extreme metal vocals.
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Withering to Death was the newest album when I first got into Dir en grey, so I'm coming at all of it with a slightly different perspective from most. :lol Back then Vulgar was the heaviest thing they had done so it should be pretty clear why Marrow was so shocking. On top of that, some of the songs on the album were not the same as the single versions we got, in particular Clever Sleazoid which is practically a different song from the one in the music video. Ryoujoku no Ame also got changed but I still think it's the best song on that album.
Sorta surprising to see you ranked Hageshisa To, Kono Mune no blah blah so low on DSS, it's probably my favorite on there. Maybe I need to give it a couple more spins :lol
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I was not really into Dum Spiro Spero, and I would say they were trending downward since Withering if not for Uroboros.
So just hoping for another Uroboros rather than Marrow/DSS :lol
Interesting. I have a really hard time choosing one over the other because I think they are both interchangeable in which one is the better one. I do give the edge to Dum Spiro Spero now though. From an interview I read that's a couple of months old now, it was mentioned they're headed more in the direction of Sustain the Untruth so lets wait and see what that means for an album.
I adore pretty much everything they've done. I'm still getting used to Kisou and Vulgar, but I can't say they have a single song that I outright dislike. Dum Spiro Spero is a masterclass of extreme metal vocals.
I'm in the same camp with not having given their first albums enough listens yet but don't have anything against them. I agree about the vocals on Dum Spiro Spero as well.
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I love Hageshisa to, Kono Mune no Naka de Karamitsuita Shakunetsu no Yami (love typing that monstrosity out), but just not as much as everything else. It seems like damn near every other song has some kind of awesome Kyo moment or something else really cool. Hageshisa's a little bit more pedestrian than the rest of the album.
I absolutely fucking love the new single so if they did more stuff in that darker, almost haunted vibe, I'd be very happy.
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So I'm listening to the new version of Macabre. I really like the original, and while I think this one is better than the remake of Obscure so far (I really hated that), I'm not sure where the extra six minutes of song are coming from since Macabre already sorta meanders.
A couple of my favorite old school songs look like they got redone on Unraveling (The Final? Yes. Unknown... Despair... a Lost[as the original version is called]? DOUBLE YES.)
I just hope these songs I love don't get the Obscure treatment (ie turn up the distortion and Kyo will just scream all the lines). How would that even work on a song like Kasumi?
Based on these concerns, should I listen to Unraveling or will it hurt me?
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I thought it was all very well done. There's some screams, but I think all in all they were quite faithful to the source material. The Final's remake is better than the original, IMO.
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So I wasn't really into the new content on Macabre, think it detracted from the power of the song.
Unknown Despair A Lost - what the FUCK. I could hardly recognize it. Jesus christ.
Just in case noone has heard the original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nxHgxL9p9U
I think Karasu could work well because it was one of the darker songs on Kisou, BODV same deal. The Final I dunno, if they just changed it from basically an emo song into a metal one I'm not sure if that's necessary. I'll listen to it.
/grumpyoldtimerhateschange
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I love Hageshisa to, Kono Mune no Naka de Karamitsuita Shakunetsu no Yami (love typing that monstrosity out), but just not as much as everything else. It seems like damn near every other song has some kind of awesome Kyo moment or something else really cool.
What about that part near the end where the music cuts out and Kyo sounds like he sneezes mid-scream? :lol
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I love Hageshisa to, Kono Mune no Naka de Karamitsuita Shakunetsu no Yami (love typing that monstrosity out), but just not as much as everything else. It seems like damn near every other song has some kind of awesome Kyo moment or something else really cool. Hageshisa's a little bit more pedestrian than the rest of the album.
I absolutely fucking love the new single so if they did more stuff in that darker, almost haunted vibe, I'd be very happy.
I feel like almost every song minus the first track has a moment where at least one member just does something that grabs your attention with Kyo doing it in every song.
I like the single as well but hope that doesn't mean that the whole album will be of songs like that that just sound more straight-forward than what is on their last 2 albums sometimes. I still want songs in the vein of Vinushka, Reiketsu Nariseba, Different Sense, Amon, and Diabolos if you're understanding what I mean.
So I'm listening to the new version of Macabre. I really like the original, and while I think this one is better than the remake of Obscure so far (I really hated that), I'm not sure where the extra six minutes of song are coming from since Macabre already sorta meanders.
A couple of my favorite old school songs look like they got redone on Unraveling (The Final? Yes. Unknown... Despair... a Lost[as the original version is called]? DOUBLE YES.)
I just hope these songs I love don't get the Obscure treatment (ie turn up the distortion and Kyo will just scream all the lines). How would that even work on a song like Kasumi?
Based on these concerns, should I listen to Unraveling or will it hurt me?
I actually liked the new version of Obscure and have liked what they've done to most of their old song remakes like Zan but that's cause I really like their heavy sound. Seeing as to how you like their song to sound like, I still say get The Unraveling a listen as to Karma really is the one that is mostly what it seems you don';t want them to do to their songs. Kasumi really has no screaming at all in it, just mostly sung and so is Karasu.
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I love the visual kei stuff just as much as the heavy stuff. Still sounds like the same band to me, just slightly less downtuning. Honestly, I was downright shocked at how heavy Gauze was after hearing how it's nothing like Uroboros, but Schwein no Isu is still one of their heaviest songs, and Zan is pure madness. I do wish they'd do more songs like mazohyst of decadence though. That song is just disturbing, and they don't really do stuff like that anymore.
Though, I have to say Unknown Despair Lost isn't the first time a remake has been completely different. The redone Tsumi to Batsu seriously sounds like a completely different song.
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Yeah I think songs from that era are heavy as well but some don't think they are or some people say its radically different from say from Uroboros but I think lots of it has to do with how they sounded at the time. It being Kyo's singing, the tone of their guitars and so on. That's obvious with Zan as the remake they did was just screaming and growling from Kyo and heavy, downtuned guitars and look at how heavy it sounds like that. Mazohyst of Decadence is a unique song and wouldn't mind seeing them do something like that again now seeing as they still can since I get similar vibes from it sometimes like I do from The Blossoming Beelzebub.
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Ahh I remember that Tsumi to Batsu/Mitsu to Tsuba remake as well and I don't think I liked it much :lol
When I say (it was mostly me earlier in the thread haha) that the early albums are quite different, I wasn't meaning there were no heavy songs. Obviously Gauze has songs like Zan, Mitsu to Tsuba, etc that are quite heavy, but also poppier songs like Cage or Raison D'etre and these long ballad type things like Mazohyst of Decadence and Akuro no Oka.
Then you have Macabre where nearly every song is just creepy as hell, and then Kisou which has this weird dichotomy of super moody stuff and crazy stuff. I guess I just feel like there was more variety back then.
Also, maybe this is just me being nostalgic, but although Vulgar was certainly their heaviest output until Marrow, it feels completely different. A song like Child Prey would be just as out of place on any of the last three albums as Cage would.
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I actually feel like there's still lots of variety in their albums, especially their last 2. Uroboros had songs like Vinushka, Red Soil, Glass Skin, Stuck Man, Reiketsu Nariseba, Ware, Yami Tote..., and Dozing Green. DSS had The Blossoming Beelzebub, Amon, Lotus, Diabolos, Vanitas, and Ruten no To which I think are songs that are all different from each other. I do think Macabre and Kisou are some of the album with least variety.
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I agree that there's a ton of variety on the new Dir en Grey albums, but I also say there's a shitload of variety on the earlier stuff as well. Gauze, Macabre, and Kisou all go through a ton of different moods and atmospheres. Vulgar, Withering, and Marrow are less varied overall, I'd say. Though, Withering still has some cool poppy songs like C, Jesus Christ RnR, and The Final. C in particular gets stuck in my head all the time.
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So I've listened to Unraveling, and most of the other songs on here I like quite a bit more than the ones I listened to yesterday. Though, I'm listening to a higher quality version, on headphones, now, so I even liked Unkown.Despair.Lost better. I really like this version of The Final.
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Are most of Dir En Grey's remakes vastly different from the originals?
I ask because at first I didn't know Hydra 666 from Uroborus was a remake at all, and when I listened to the original afterwards, aside from some general similarities in structure, they sound like two completely different songs. It didn't even seem like they shared any melodies or anything.
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Most of the ones on Unraveling are pretty recognizable, just Unknown.Despair.Lost you need to listen really closely to hear the melodies and lines from the original song :lol. Macabre is basically the same song with 6 minutes of extra stuff jammed in there.
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I'm curious if you like the new single or not.
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I enjoy Sustain the Untruth quite a bit. Unraveling too.
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The new album is called "Arche" and will be out December 10th.
https://direngrey.co.jp/news/1418/
Damn, Devin Townsend and Dir En Grey release dates announced on the same day? Fuck yeah. :metal
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I'm stoked for their new album.
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Oh god, they made the wait worse now by pushing it back a month but still got their old material that I haven't gotten tired of listening to yet so that should hold me in the mean time. Anyway, I hope they release a single soon to see in what direction they're going with in this album.
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Oh god, they made the wait worse now by pushing it back a month but still got their old material that I haven't gotten tired of listening to yet so that should hold me in the mean time. Anyway, I hope they release a single soon to see in what direction they're going with in this album.
An interview with someone...either Kaoru or Die said that Sustain the Untruth was more characteristic of the new direction than Unraveling, if that helps at all.
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The new album is called "Arche" and will be out December 10th.
https://direngrey.co.jp/news/1418/
Damn, Devin Townsend and Dir En Grey release dates announced on the same day? Fuck yeah. :metal
Yeah, today is quite a big day in music related announcements that's for sure. Looking forward to the new album.
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Oh god, they made the wait worse now by pushing it back a month but still got their old material that I haven't gotten tired of listening to yet so that should hold me in the mean time. Anyway, I hope they release a single soon to see in what direction they're going with in this album.
An interview with someone...either Kaoru or Die said that Sustain the Untruth was more characteristic of the new direction than Unraveling, if that helps at all.
Yeah I read that interview and posted about it here but I know it'll be more than just sounding similar in some ways to Sustain the Untruth. Basically I just want to hear anything form them already lol.
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Oh god, they made the wait worse now by pushing it back a month but still got their old material that I haven't gotten tired of listening to yet so that should hold me in the mean time. Anyway, I hope they release a single soon to see in what direction they're going with in this album.
An interview with someone...either Kaoru or Die said that Sustain the Untruth was more characteristic of the new direction than Unraveling, if that helps at all.
Yeah I read that interview and posted about it here but I know it'll be more than just sounding similar in some ways to Sustain the Untruth. Basically I just want to hear anything form them already lol.
Oh me too. STU was like...3 minutes and I was smileing myself over it for at least a month. I haven't heard a single song from them that I haven't loved yet, so I doubt they'll start now.
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Yeah I have no doubts towards this new album or any hesitations in not liking it so I'm just all excited here. Especially since they released everything from Uroboros and on, its just been amazing and awesome and like the direction they have been going on. Their last 2 singles, Rinkaku and STU, while being different were still badass and great so just gotta play the waiting game now.
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I think the last time I posted on here I had only discovered the band and had listened to the remastered and expanded version of Uroboros for the first time, but to be frank I had almost forgotten about the band. Recently I decided to give the original version of Uroboros a spin and was floored. Even though it was slightly different than the remaster in production/tracklisting, I thought it was an even better album than I remembered. Since I've been on a Dir En Grey craze and went back and listened to a few more of their albums (went backwards in time actually) and they're all great. If I had to rank the albums I listened to so far it'd look like this:
1. Uroboros
2. Vulgar
3. Withering To Death
4. The Marrow of a Bone
I'll eventually get to Gauze, Macabre, Kisou and Dum Spiro Spero soon enough! Next to Uroboros, I really liked the direction in Vulgar. Out of the four on my list, it felt the most different IMO. I dunno to me, Vulgar felt a bit alt-rock/metalish at times and that's kind of more in line with the kind of rock/metal I'm listening to right now.
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God, if you liked Vulgar, get Dum Spiro Spero immediately. I find them to be similar in atmosphere, except Dum Spiro is literally a million times darker. I must say though, the remaster of Uroboros is pretty pointless. The "original" version of the album is practically flawless. It flows perfectly, and the loud, punchy drums actually add to the intensity of songs like Vinushka and Reiketsu Nariseba.
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Listening to several songs off of both the original and remaster of Uroboros side by side, I find that there are a lot of moments where the remaster just sounds flat, stripped down, and...dead. I like to think of the remaster as their version of Let It Be...Naked. I agree on the Reiketsu Nariseba comparison with the two versions. That song is the worst example of how much the remaster lost all the ferocity of the original. The original Uroboros is perhaps the only time where I actually like the St. Anger-ish snare sound that has plagued several other albums in the millennium.
Funny enough, Dum Spiro Spero would've to be the next album I was going to listen to before I was side tracked with other music. I just finished listening to it and man it's fucking awesome! :metal As of now it's my favorite album behind Uroboros. Very chaotic and twisted IMO which is why I love it. The four song run of The Blossoming Beelzebub, Different Sense, Amon, and Yokusou Ni Dreambox Aruiwa Seijuku No Rinen To Tsumetai Ame (that's a monster of a name to type up! :lol) are probably some of my favorites on the album. One thing I noticed on Dum Spiro is that Kyo's vocals are at its most adventurous IMO...if that makes any sense cause I could describe that as his vocal performance in general :lol
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I've said this a million times but here it is again. Different Sense is the greatest song ever written and Dum Spiro Spero is basically a clinic on extreme metal vocals.
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I've said this a million times but here it is again. Different Sense is the greatest song ever written and Dum Spiro Spero is basically a clinic on extreme metal vocals.
I don't know if Different Sense is one of my favorites, but I agree about the vocals on Dum Spiro Spero. Even if the music doesn't hit a home run for you, just listening to the vocals is quite the ride.
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I've been playing Different Sense a lot today and I think it's starting to become my all time favorite Dir En Grey song. I saw a live video of it and boy if I ever see them live and they play it, damn I don't know what I'll do! But the one thing that surprised me most about that video I saw was the fact that Die and Toshiya doing harsh backing vocals. I had no clue that they did backing vocals live period.
In other news, I found a copy of Uroboros on vinyl (judging by the pictures, it's an American pressing by The End Records) for $9.99 on eBay. And it isn't a used copy BTW, it's brand new and sealed but the shrink wrap is slightly ripped on the back. I don't know how obscure and rare it is on vinyl, but I guessed that it was EXTREMELY rare to see a vinyl copy of it floating around so I bought it (I was the only one who bid on it actually) Possibly the best vinyl purchase I've made in a long time.
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I have both Uroboros and Dum Spiro Spero on vinyl, both rule.
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I've been playing Different Sense a lot today and I think it's starting to become my all time favorite Dir En Grey song. I saw a live video of it and boy if I ever see them live and they play it, damn I don't know what I'll do! But the one thing that surprised me most about that video I saw was the fact that Die and Toshiya doing harsh backing vocals. I had no clue that they did backing vocals live period.
Yeah. It's a shame though because anyone is a downgrade from Kyo. I know they don't do any singing in studio. That's the only thing that tarnishes the live versions for me. Kyo's screams layered with his acrobatic singing is so unbelievably awesome.
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It seems like for just about the entire year I've been listening to Dir En Grey every day and especially Uroboros and Dum Spiro Spero and I just don't get tired of them. In fact I think I keep on liking their album more and more and DSS is slowly just solidifying its place as my favorite album of theirs. Just everything about that album works and Kyo's vocals kick my ass every single time of how awesome they are. Even their demo's for that album are good. I like their demo version of Akatsuki over the final album version and so on. So to say I'm excited for their new album almost feels like an understatement.
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I can only say that I "truly" got into Dir En Grey just this month, but having a new album from them this year is really exciting to hear for this new fan. Kinda makes me happy that I discovered this band only now.
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Well I thankfully got turned back into Dir En Grey earlier this year in my song roulette even though I had heard of them years before but never checked them out but this time it clicked and since then have been listening to them consistently. So it'll be a good way to top it off this year to have a new album be released by them.
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Any info on whether Arche will be distributed in the US? I don't mind ordering directly from Japan, but it'll save me a few bucks if they have an American release.
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No but it'll be released a day before, the same day, or just a day after since they have another label handled their releases here in the US I believe.
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The End Records handled the American releases for Uroboros and Dum Spiro Spero. They haven't mentioned anything about handling the release of Arche yet. I suppose they're keeping quiet about it until the track listing is revealed. I heard conflicting stories regarding if they're still on the label by fans on their Facebook, which is why I asked if anyone knows if it'll be released in the US.
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The End has had a LOT of stories from artists who signed with them that they got royally dicked over (I say a lot but I really only know what they did to Sigh, which was absolutely ridiculous). I kind of hope for their sake they moved on.
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Oh well I haven't kept up with their label news just that they're still with Firewall and unless Dir En Grey is with Sony Music now, it either has to be still The End Records handling that or somebody else. I doubt it'll be released here moths later or so than in Japan though or even weeks. If not the same day, just a couple of days difference. But I'm just talking out of my ass now since I have no idea how they work that stuff out but, hope I'm somewhat right and it'll be released around the same day by whichever label they are with now.
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I'm under the impression that Dir En Grey's fanbase in America has grown with every subsequent album since Withering To Death, so I'd be surprised if it doesn't get released in America. I've seen pre-orders for the Japanese release but they don't show a track listing as of yet. As I said before, hopefully we'll get any info on an American release once the track list is revealed.
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There's probably Japan pre-orders already because of course besides it being Japan, they also have their fan club over there which they do lots of releases and special things for so I would say its mostly for that because new album info is still really scarce besides the usual hyping from the band members. They actually have played 2 new songs in their tour they did last month, Mode of Gauze, but I haven't been able to find any video of them playing it. Just descriptions from people who went to the shows.
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Yeah, I've been trying to find any info on the new songs they played, but I can't find anything at all. What were they described as?
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Yeah sure so the first new song they played and the one they played on most nights was described like this by someone who went to a couple of those shows: "New song starts off with a atmospheric short intro with acoustic guitar, then goes into a complex and pretty rapid exchange between heavy tremolo picking reminiscient of black metal mixed with some punk-esque stuff and some short phases of more DSS sounds and also sections that sounds quite Gauze-y with clean guitars. Has a decently short guitar solo. There's no harsh vocals at all in the song. It's roughly three minutes long.
First impression is that they tried to squeeze a little too much stuff into a too short timeframe, but I'm sure it'll grow on me during the tour, the guitarwork is some of the best they've done so far, I like how its more riffing (BM style) than chugging.
Also, I just realized but the fast riffing parts could be compared a bit to the tremolo sections of the kiri to mayu remake, perhaps."
Someone else said about the song: "the new song had some piano according to Japanese netizens (apparently) - and it "felt more like Die's song than Kaoru's"
Then when the first guy saw them again and heard the song again: "The new song is also developing a bit, the drum pattern has gotten slightly more elaborate since the first show. Will be interesting to follow if more will happen."
There was less comments about new song 2 but there were some from the same guy which first he said: "I'll post a more detailed description of the new song as soon as possible, but its chaotic and has a ton of changes, even moreso than the previous new song... From a first impression, I wasn't as impressed by this one."
And someone else added a bit more: "it will be a lot more chaotic and aggressive than the first new song + will showcase Kyo's various vocal characteristics - and some people even compared the build to what was in Sukekiyo's Vandal."
Someone else popped in saying about one of the new songs: "As for the new song, well one of em, a buddy of mine (who's attending the three shows) described it as totally different from Sustain the Untruth. Has a pretty boss solo from Kaoru. And its "midtempo rock with quiet areas." It also has a breakdown as well."
I also managed to find one other person write something about one of the new songs but I had to translate from Japanese so its pretty bad but here it is, "New song that seems to be going into the new released in December has also been unveiled, but it is a good impression to quite a heavy tune utilizing the various expressions of vocal and lead the drum characteristic."
So yeah, take for what you will from some people who went to see them this last tour and heard the new songs. It has me really excited to see these people have to use lots of ways to describe the songs seeing as they probably will be different in some ways to anything else they've written before.
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Well, Dir en grey has a penchant for writing some curveballs, so I'm stoked for what ARCHE has to offer.
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Yup me too especially if Kyo is going to be doing all sorts of vocal stuff on the album like in one of the new songs cause the vocals on DSS were just some of the best in the business.
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I've said this a million times but here it is again. Different Sense is the greatest song ever written and Dum Spiro Spero is basically a clinic on extreme metal vocals.
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I don't think Different Sense is in my personal top5 Dir En Grey songs, but I agree about everything you said. Kyo is one of the best vocalists out there without a doubt, and Different Sense really showcases his ability in the best possible ways.
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Yeah I don't have Different Sense near my top 5 but that song for sure is littered with many crazy and badass vocals. Every single release pretty much for the past 10-15 years has Kyo sounding in a different way or adding something new so I damn sure this new album will keep that going.
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Different Sense isn't even in my top 5 for Dum Spiro Spero.
It's still a great song though.
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Different Sense isn't even in my top 5 for Dum Spiro Spero.
It's still a great song though.
Hear, hear.
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My go-to song for crazy Kyo vocals is actually Decayed Crow. He goes from the deep guttural growl to high pitched shrieks, and then some really chaotic screaming and weird noises after that. The song itself is fairly simple and straight forward, but by having one of the best vocalists in metal (if not THE best) really makes it something special.
I think Kyo and Patton are on another level. What makes me consider Kyo a slightly better metal vocalist is because I feel Patton's register works almost better in bands that go all over the place, and not so much metal, like Mr. Bungle for example, which has heavy moments but for the most part is calmer. Kyo was created to sing in a metalband, even if he's good at the more ballady songs too.
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That is a good example of what he can do and another one that I think shows it on DSS is 'Yokusō ni Dreambox' Aruiwa Seijuku no Rinen to Tsumetai Ame with it starting off in his normal vocals with some really high-pitches vocals in the background and once the chorus kicks and all hell breaks loose, he just does so many different things its awesome. I do think he's the best metal vocalist and has been expanding his range since DSS with songs like Rinkaku and Sustain the Untruth.
Even live he still sounds awesome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyvIVC4vU3c
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Yeah so track-listing was posted today and the different editions that will come out and here it is with all Discs put in.
Disc one
No. Title Length
1. "Un deux"
2. "Soshaku" (咀嚼; "Mastication")
3. "Uroko" (鱗; "Fish Scales")
4. "Phenomenon"
5. "Cause of fickleness"
6. "Tōsei" (濤声; "Voice of Waves")
7. "Rinkaku" (輪郭; "Silhouette")
8. "Chain repulsion"
9. "Midwife"
10. "Magayasō" (禍夜想; "Evil Night Thought")
11. "Kaishun" (懐春; "Yearning Of Youth")
12. "Behind a vacant image"
13. "Sustain the untruth"
14. "Kūkoku no Kyōon" (空谷の跫音; "Lonely Sound of Footsteps")
15. "The inferno"
16. "Revelation of mankind"
Disc two
No. Title Length
1. "and Zero" (Instrumental Track)
2. "Tefutefu" (てふてふ; "Butterfly")
3. "SUSTAIN THE UNTRUTH"
4. "Unraveling" (Remix Version)
5. "TBA"
6. "TBA"
7. "TBA"
Disc three
No. Title Length
1. "Un deux" (Shot in one take)
2. "Chain repulsion" (Shot in one take)
3. "Live footage from TOUR14 PSYCHONNECT -mode of”GAUZE”?"
4. "Bonus material"
The Sustain the Untruth version on disc 2 should be an unplugged/symphonic version of the song.
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Rinkaku and Sustain the Untruth are on there? That's what I was hoping for.
I wonder if they'll be much different from the singles.
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At first I was sorta put off that 2 previously songs are on the new album but then I thought about how much I like those songs and knowing there's a chance they might be somewhat different, I got excited. I doubt Sustain the Untruth will be different on the main disc of the album since on disc 2 there will be another version of the song.
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Fuck yeah to all of this. Love Sustain the Untruth, but I haven't listened to Rinkaku very much. Think I'll probably keep it that way until the album drops.
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Yeah don't cause while a good and unique Dir en grey song, still quite some time till the album comes out and it always sucks when a song already gets old by the time the album comes out.
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Definitely. Sustain the Untruth hasn't gotten old yet, but I don't plan on listening to it again until the album comes out as well. Only 2 months away now!
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OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! I can't contain my excitement at the moment! :metal
I wonder if the version of Sustain The Untruth on the main album is different than the one on the second disc. Perhaps the one on the second disc is the single version as it's all in caps?
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OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! I can't contain my excitement at the moment! :metal
I wonder if the version of Sustain The Untruth on the main album is different than the one on the second disc. Perhaps the one on the second disc is the single version as it's all in caps?
Like I posted beneath all the tracks, "The Sustain the Untruth version on disc 2 should be an unplugged/symphonic version of the song." According to some translated sentences that I read and if I'm understanding it correctly.
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OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! I can't contain my excitement at the moment! :metal
I wonder if the version of Sustain The Untruth on the main album is different than the one on the second disc. Perhaps the one on the second disc is the single version as it's all in caps?
Like I posted beneath all the tracks, "The Sustain the Untruth version on disc 2 should be an unplugged/symphonic version of the song." According to some translated sentences that I read and if I'm understanding it correctly.
Whoops, I guess I skipped over that part! :facepalm:
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No problems. I probably should have posted it around the beginning of my post or mentioned it next to the title of the song. Also, has there ever been a reason as to why some of their song titles are all caps and others aren't?
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No problems. I probably should have posted it around the beginning of my post or mentioned it next to the title of the song. Also, has there ever been a reason as to why some of their song titles are all caps and others aren't?
I don't think so. I always change them anyway because the all-caps is irritating.
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No problems. I probably should have posted it around the beginning of my post or mentioned it next to the title of the song. Also, has there ever been a reason as to why some of their song titles are all caps and others aren't?
I don't think so. I always change them anyway because the all-caps is irritating.
When I imported my CD of Uroboros on iTunes, the Japanese titled tracks were in kanji (later changed them into romaji) but the English titled ones were in all caps. I dunno, I don't mind the all-caps song titles at all wether they were intentional or not.
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I'm fairly sure they're intentional, considering they often name their albums and tours in all-caps English as well.
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At first it really did bother me but nowadays I've gotten used to it and don't mind it anymore but its interesting how some songs in English are either all caps, or all lower case like some on Withering to Death. Then there are some just normally written. Maybe its just something that they tried to do to make their stuff look more unique or something. Who knows.
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In Japanese it's pretty conventional to write English words in all caps.
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In Japanese it's pretty conventional to write English words in all caps.
That's extremely fascinating. Care to extrapolate on that?
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I would guess it's because it fits in better with kanji.
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Hmmm I guess it would make sense. Maybe its also because they like to scream a lot. :justjen
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In Japanese it's pretty conventional to write English words in all caps.
That's extremely fascinating. Care to extrapolate on that?
I'm not 100% on the reasoning? It could be just because they're not used to the concept of upper and lower case letters, but it may have something to do with romaji?
Like say you've got a japanese sentence with an English word in it, like
soshite mata kanashimi no nai jikan no RUUPU e to
That RUUPU is the english word loop. Beyond that I don't know man elevens are weird okay.
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Holy fucking shit I totally read that as "Controversial" instead of "conventional." One of those words is considerably less interesting than the other.
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Now I understand why you were so interested in that topic :rollin
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(https://direngrey.co.jp/special/arche/assets/images/img_album_001.png)
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GIVE ME THIS NOW UUUUUGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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There's two songs from Arche on the band's website, which are the two singles we got earlier. I'm assuming they're the versions that will be found on the album, but I could be wrong.
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GIVE ME THIS NOW UUUUUGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Seconded! Next to Devin Townsend's Z2, this is my most anticipated album of the year. :metal
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There's two songs from Arche on the band's website, which are the two singles we got earlier. I'm assuming they're the versions that will be found on the album, but I could be wrong.
They most likely will be the same version because live they haven't changed really anything from the songs and there will be another version of Sustain the Untruth on the second disc anyway. I'm sure we will hear a new song in a week or 2. If not, then the week the album actually comes out cause I believe they finished the album pretty late this year and had to do that short Mode of -Gauze-? tour and have been shooting videos for their new songs.
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They did 3 videos for Dum Spiro Spero, so I'm expecting 2 more this time around. I wonder if they'll make a proper one for Rinkaku or give another new song some love.
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They did 3 videos for Dum Spiro Spero, so I'm expecting 2 more this time around. I wonder if they'll make a proper one for Rinkaku or give another new song some love.
I hope they pick a new song cause I like Rinkaku and the video they did for it so would rather have a new video for a new song.
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Just to keep the hype train chugging along. This is the cover for the 2 disc version.
(https://direngrey.co.jp/special/arche/assets/images/img_album_002.png)
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That's a pretty kickass album cover. I actually wish that was the cover for the 2CD/1 BluRay or DVD version to be honest. Just out of curiosity, did any of you guys pre-ordered the album yet?
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Not yet but I'm going to get the 2CD/1 Blu version. Have you?
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Not yet but I'm going to get the 2CD/1 Blu version. Have you?
Haven't preordered it yet either cause I was gonna gamble on it getting an American release but with the album release being little under a month away, I'll be happy to buy the album directly from Japan. I was planning on getting the 2CD/BluRay too actually even though I like the artwork on the 2CD version more.
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Yeah I've been waiting for any american release press release or info but none yet so I feel like it will come out a month later here at this rate. But I'm not worried about how I will get it cause I have many options to choose from where to get it.
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To be honest, when and if it does get an American release PR, I have a feeling that it'll come in less than stellar editions compared to the ones they have in Japan. It'll be the usual standard CD, deluxe edition with one or two bonus tracks, digital and if we're lucky, vinyl (but I'd get it again on vinyl tbh) :lol
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Man, I'm dying for another song or something. We're less than a month from release now.
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According to Setlist.fm, they played Soshaku from the Arche album during the few shows in the summer. If we'll get a chance to hear a new song before the album drops, I'm placing bets on Soshaku being the song they'll tease.
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Yeah did anyone ever get any bootleg footage of that?
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Yeah did anyone ever get any bootleg footage of that?
Nope. :(
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Yeah did anyone ever get any bootleg footage of that?
Nope. :(
Bummer... :(
Not even a description by fans on what it sounds like?
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There was something earlier in this thread talking about it, I think.
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Yeah, I posted some posts some other people put up on some other site that actually went to the shows and heard 2 of the new songs and they tried to explain what they sounded like.
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Looks like they've been dropped/let go from The End Records in America as they're no longer on the current roster of artists on their website. I wonder if the reason why they haven't made any announcement for an American release PR for Arche is because they're currently negotiating with a label to distribute the album in the US.
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We finally got an album teaser/trailer! :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBBdWfw8vfY
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HOLY SHIIIIIIIIIIIT. Not as much new music as I was hoping, but the bits they played at the beginning and end sounded fantastic.
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This is even worse than most teasers bands put out these days cause what they showed sounded awesome already but I can't hear more of it dammit. I'm guessing the song at the end will be the next single but that's just cause I hope it is cause I liked it.
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The new stuff sounded AWESOME (I especially loved the last snippet at the end) but I wish there was subtitles cause I wanna know what they were saying.
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The new stuff sounded AWESOME (I especially loved the last snippet at the end) but I wish there was subtitles cause I wanna know what they were saying.
That's killing me from the trailer as well but all I know is that the main theme of the album will be something along the lines of treating pain.
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The new stuff sounded AWESOME (I especially loved the last snippet at the end) but I wish there was subtitles cause I wanna know what they were saying.
That's killing me from the trailer as well but all I know is that the main theme of the album will be something along the lines of treating pain.
I just found out they had subtitles for it all this time and I watched the trailer again for what may be the 100th time. :lol
The pain concept sounds interesting IMO and I'm intrigued to see how it pans out once I hear the whole album.
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I didn't know that either and now I have another excuse to watch it 100 more times. I should stop though cause I'm just torturing myself too much.
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I should stop though cause I'm just torturing myself too much.
Well the trailer did end with the question "Will you be able to take this PAIN?". Without trying to sound like a masochist, I think most of us DEG fans would answer "Yes" :lol
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You're right. I can take it for the next 3 weeks which before you know it, will be over especially since they are filled with holidays and events.
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New song/lyric video, guys! :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbUQdj0CWZ8&feature=youtu.be
Here's a pair of videos of 10 seconds worth of the whole album! :metal
Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy8TOoGo87s
Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtvnUWIPANY&list=UUYY158T1shyne7i3C9GV-UA
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I feel like this album will be more oriented into being basic structure songs in the vein of Sustain the Untruth and Rinkaku like they stated earlier with lots of emphasis on the chorus. As long as they are as good as Sustain and Rinkaku, this should be a solid album. And this new song I like but since its edited, it feels short but I like the sound of it and atmosphere it has.
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I really like the new song, but like you said it's edited and I did feel a bit disappointed when it ended cause I felt it was too short also. I really like the ambiance in the background of the song. I think Kyo's experience with sukekiyo influenced how he approached recording Arche. Maybe I shouldn't judge based on 10 second samples, but while there were definitely a few screams/death growls, the album seems to be slightly more mellower as a whole if I'm making sense. Sustain The Untruth and Rinkaku also appear to have been remixed or rerecorded for the album as well.
Well, Arche will get a European release on Okami Records on December 12. Aside from download and album stream, it'll come in a 2CD version which will have the same contents on the Japanese initial limited 2CD version. It's quite disappointing that they're no longer on The End Records in America and I'm not sure if they even tried getting a new American label but at least we have other ways of getting the album.
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I'd say it's pretty likely that they picked more accessible sections of the songs for the sampler, but yeah. Very few growls/screams overall. I think I'm okay with that though. Marrow, Uroboros, and Dum Spiro Spero all had a lot of harsh vocals, so I'm okay with a shift to a more clean-oriented album. Everything in the sampler sounded fucking amazing, and it seems we'll still have some faster metal cuts like Cause of Fickleness, Chain Repulsion, and The Inferno.
Also that full song with the lyric video they put up was lovely too. Judging its position in the album (14), I'm guessing it'll be like Vanitas in that it's the calm before the final push of the album.
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I understand what both of you are saying and agree with it. I just hope its not too little growls/screams cause I think they were really awesome, especially in DSS, for Kyo not to do more and tickle me fancy with his awesome vocals and experimentation with them. Anyway, I just want this fucking album already.
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I just want to say the song they released, just keeps on growing on me and getting stuck in my head. I like that.
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I just want to say the song they released, just keeps on growing on me and getting stuck in my head. I like that.
Agreed. I think by the 3rd or 4th listen, the song began to settle in and now I really enjoy it. The chorus especially (if you can call it one) has been stuck in my head. There's something about that section of the song in particular that sounds humanistic and even feel good sounding that I just love.
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I just want to say the song they released, just keeps on growing on me and getting stuck in my head. I like that.
Agreed. I think by the 3rd or 4th listen, the song began to settle in and now I really enjoy it. The chorus especially (if you can call it one) has been stuck in my head. There's something about that section of the song in particular that sounds humanistic and even feel good sounding that I just love.
Yeah that's exactly the part that keeps on playing again and again in my head most of the time. If most of the songs have a chorus like that'll get stuck on me and grow just like it was the case for Sustain the Untruth and Rinkaku. I will be a happy trooper and listen to it nonstop.
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I understand what both of you are saying and agree with it. I just hope its not too little growls/screams cause I think they were really awesome, especially in DSS, for Kyo not to do more and tickle me fancy with his awesome vocals and experimentation with them. Anyway, I just want this fucking album already.
I get that totally. It's frankly ridiculous not to expect some more mindblowing harsh vocals. Kyo clearly enjoys doing it, judging by the sukekiyo project which is also a bit more clean vocal oriented still having a few moments of awe-inspiring screams.
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Good god, only 2 more days. :caffeine:
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I'm pretty excited, especially considering I haven't heard anything from it, and details seems pretty tight. I tried getting some song lengths from Wikipedia but that didn't seem like official information yet, so didn't get any info on it. Hopefully this is great.
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One more temptation for you here, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbQrfGBSaPY
I'm kind of amazed they're still releasing songs, but this one should pretty handily quell the whole lack of extreme vocals worry.
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Kyo's vocals on Revelation of mankind sounds pretty varied in the style of DSS in my opinion. I dig it. :metal
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Good god, only 2 more days. :caffeine:
Yeah, the wait is killing me. :caffeine: I hope my copy of the album arrives before the holidays so I can listen to it.
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Sorry if I'm spamming this thread but apparently Arche leaked. Reception from those who've heard it so far have been mostly positive. Someone even made a comparison of the song Phenomenon with the Porcupine Tree songs Bonnie The Cat and The Creator Has A Mastertape which I found interesting if unusual. Hearing about these song descriptions is making me even more interested and excited to hear the album.
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Will be listening in approximately 3 hours. I can't contain myself.
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I'm about halfway through the album and it is gold so far. For the first two songs or so, I thought to myself "Kyo is kinda holding back", but then the explosion happened. Some of these songs probably have the craziest vocals by Kyo so far, and that's saying a lot after the last couple of albums. Best and most versatile vocalist in metal? Mike Patton would give him a run for his money, but I would say so. His screams are mindbogglingly good.
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I'm about halfway through the album and it is gold so far. For the first two songs or so, I thought to myself "Kyo is kinda holding back", but then the explosion happened. Some of these songs probably have the craziest vocals by Kyo so far, and that's saying a lot after the last couple of albums. Best and most versatile vocalist in metal? Mike Patton would give him a run for his money, but I would say so. His screams are mindbogglingly good.
I must be missing a lot of the craziness, because I'm not hearing nearly as much as on Dum Spiro Spero. I'm on track 6 right now, and I'm loving the shit out of it, of course. The first two tracks have some awesome chorus-like statements. Very catchy. There's some really harrowing atmospheric stuff going on too.
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I'm going through the album right now, and it seems to me at least that some of the songs have hooks that give me a vibe of some of their earlier albums while maintaining the post-Uroboros sound. I'm loving it so far and I agree that the choruses in the songs sound awesome and catchy as f**k. Also agree with the notable increase in atmospheric stuff going on in the background such as the one at the beginning of Tousei and of course the ambiance throughout Kukoku No Kyouon.
I'm not sure if Kyo's growls on Arche will outcrazy his performance on DSS but they're very satisfying to my ears. I absolutely love the clean vocals on this album, technically I'd say it's his best clean vocals so far. I'd also like to add that Toshiya shines a lot on this album IMO. A good chunk of groovy and catchy bass lines.
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Just an initial impression, but I get the feeling this album might be slightly better balanced than Dum Spiro Spero, at least for my taste. Don't get me wrong, Dum Spiro Spero is one of the heaviest albums around, and I love every minute of it. To me that album easily belongs in the 9-9.5 out of 10 range, near perfect overall. If there is one MINOR complaint I have, and it's very minor and doesn't really drag down the album anything for me, but it would be that the album is very heavy-centric, and despite some calmer songs, it goes more into the extreme territory than Uroboros did. Arche (at least after one listen) felt a bit more balanced, and one of their most atmospheric sounding albums. Less heavy, some more clean stuff but overall a nice mix. When they go heavy, they really go heavy and you get blown away.
So while it is too early to judge this album, and how it will stack up to Uroboros and Dum Spiro Spero, I will say that I loved the balance of the album. Heavy, soft, and some really nice new additions to the sound. Also possibly their best artwork in a while, and I love the title of the album. So yeah, time (and more listens) will tell how it stacks up quality-wise, but I do love the dynamics on it. It's like a slightly lighter Uroboros/Dum Spiro Spero hybrid, and I agree with PolarizeMe that it feels like some of the earlier albums had a touch of influence on this one.
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Yeah, it's a very "complete" sounding album, isn't it? I mean, you get the melodic hooks, the heavy riffing, the batshit crazy vocals, and the soul-crushing atmosphere all within the same hour. Still, one thing I admire a lot is that the songs don't fall under their own weight. Every song has a style that it more or less sticks to without a lot of jarring transitions. I guess you could argue it as being less "progressive" and more song-oriented. There's most definitely no Vinushka-like explosions or transitions into totally different feelings.
Overall, I feel like the translation of the album title (Arche meaning "origin" in Greek) fits it well. It's sort of a nice culmination of how their sound has evolved over the years. I hope they're not done yet though because I still need more.
On a separate note, the vocals in Midwife are FUCKING INSANE. Jesus.
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Album is awesome. Midwife is insane vocally and Cause of Fickleness is just crazy sounding but awesome.
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Arche definitely is less "progressive" and a bit more simpler and definitely more song oriented yet there's something about the style in each song that makes them sound also complex in their own unique way. I agree with Zantera that Arche is a more balanced album compared to Dum Spiro Spero. DSS was top tier DEG IMO but I do agree it was on the extreme/heavier side for the most part sans Vanitas. Arche definitely sounds like a "complete" DEG album. It's a perfect balance of giving nod to their past work while also striving to continue evolving their sound. And I absolutely agree Ultimetalhead, I seriously hope they continue to make new music and tour (in America again) after Arche as I really want to see them live at least once before they call it a career.
It's too early for me to judge this album and I feel like I'll need to give it a few more listens but I can honestly say that I'm really loving what I'm hearing on Arche. I have a feeling that it'll be a grower on me like it was with DSS (hell when I started out listening to DEG, it took me four listens of Uroboros for it to completely click with me). It's worthy of a 9/10.
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Structure-wise I probably would have liked to see them go down from 16 songs to 12-13 and had 1 or 2 of those songs being a bit longer, over the 7-8 minute mark. Looking back at their longer tracks on earlier albums, they just pull off long songs so well. But with that said, this album is fine as it is. While it might be less progressive in that sense (songs being shorter), I feel like they did a really nice job with balancing the album. In some ways it reminded me of the best parts I love about albums like Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence or The Incident, the songs themselves are not long, but they kinda form this cohesive and consistent album when they are fused together. I don't think Arche was written in the same way as those two albums of course, but I really like how they managed to sprinkle out the heavyness on the album.
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I don't think I'll ever get over the vocals in Midwife. God Kyo's a beast.
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Yeah Kyo's vocals in Midwife is fucking insane. Definitely one of my favorite songs on Arche.
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Finally have the time to listen to this in full today, what I have heard the past few days though I love. Kyo's vocals are phenomenal and each song has it's own rad as frick feel to it.
Phenomenon :hearts:
Cause of Fickleness is ridiculously awesome, pumps me the fuck up.
Every song so far :hearts:
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This album may have arrived on the doorstep to 2015, but I think this can crack my top10 for 2014. Totally worth the long wait.
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I still need to listen to this album like 108980980 more times just cause I want to but I think I'm in love already.
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I still need to listen to this album like 108980980 more times just cause I want to but I think I'm in love already.
I understand how you're feeling. I feel like I'm in love with this album already but I feel inclined to listen to this album again and again which is something that has never happened with any other band/album before.
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Its just that some of these songs have actually many sounds and layers going on for them or really sudden transitions I feel like that you feel like you know the songs already but you actually don't. But I think that's a really good thing since I already like the album but it will just continue to grow on me more and more.
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At this precise moment in time, I still think Uroboros and Dum Spiro Spero are better, but Dir en grey albums take a long time to sink in for me. Both took months of dedicated listening to reveal their true colors, and I think Arche will be the same way. I find myself enjoying the songs I'd heard prior more than the others (so, Sustain the Untruth, Kukoku No Kyoun, and Rinkaku), which is odd. But, it lends credence to my idea that this album is even more of a grower than their prior efforts.
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I think just about all of us are in the same boat of thinking their last 2 albums were better but those were growers as well just like I feel this one is. I actually like that as well because it makes me want to just keep on listening to the album more and more. Although I do think Dum Spiro Spero grew on me pretty quick.
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Arche's middle/high tier DEG for me at the moment. Yeah, I still think Uroboros is their magnum opus and not far behind would be Dum Spiro Spero but I still think Arche will grow on me immensely the more I listen to it. There's a lot going on in the songs, and I feel like it hasn't sunk in with me yet even after 4 listens to it. Kukoku No Kyoun is probably my favorite song on the album at the moment, and for me personally I find myself enjoying the tamer almost power ballad like songs more than the heavier ones.
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Arche is growing on me more and more with each listen. I think it could rank in higher than Dum Spiro Spero for me (which says a lot), but it's harder to say with Uroboros since it's my favorite. Still, what a great album.
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I'm not sure what to think of this album yet. A lot of the songs blend together and hardly any of them stick out as being particularly memorable. There's also a ton of power-ballad sounding tracks... I suppose the album has a bit more variety than DSS but it's nowhere close to Uroboros.
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I'm not sure what to think of this album yet. A lot of the songs blend together and hardly any of them stick out as being particularly memorable.
See, I had the same opinion about literally every Dir en grey album I've ever listened to (so, all of them), and they all ended up growing immensely. It takes a great number of listens to really pick out the riffs, melodies, and monstrous screams. It usually turns out that the reason the songs seem to blend together is because all their albums have ludicrously good flow.
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I agree. They have a really good idea of how an album should flow, and I don't know many other bands who play in the same league as Dir En Grey when it comes to that. They know exactly when the album needs a "rocker" and when it's time for a breather with a ballad. Even a mostly heavy album like Dum Spiro Spero has such an amazing structure, and the "breathers" on that album, although few in numbers, are spread out to form a really nice flow.
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A bit unrelated to the album, but I'm in love with the album artwork. It's possibly my favorite one yet, particularly the 2CD version. Actually I got a free poster with my copy of the limited 2CD/BluRay edition and it's the full un-cropped artwork of the 2CD version which I've got framed and currently hanging in my room. :metal
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A bit unrelated to the album, but I'm in love with the album artwork. It's possibly my favorite one yet, particularly the 2CD version. Actually I got a free poster with my copy of the limited 2CD/BluRay edition and it's the full un-cropped artwork of the 2CD version which I've got framed and currently hanging in my room. :metal
Totally agreed. The artwork might be their best, and the 2CD version cover is just amazing.
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Yeah, this album gets sexier every time I listen to it. I find myself enjoying the ballads a lot more on this album than on previous ones. Tousei kind of reminds me of Glass Skin except a billion times better, and Kokoku no Kyouon is utterly soul-crushing.
Actually, I don't know what I'm talking about. Lotus and Vanitas are two of my favorites from DSS so maybe I just like their ballads in general. :justjen
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Tousei kind of reminds me of Glass Skin
That's exactly what I was thinking! :omg: Tousei's almost as if Glass Skin went a bit more heavier and more guitar driven. Too early for me to say if it's better than Glass Skin, but it's definitely one of my favorites on Arche.
I think I'm on my 5th listen (currently on Chain Repulsion at the moment) and yeah it's clicking with me even more. Maybe it isn't their most cohesive album, but I'd argue that it's their most dynamic/layered album for lack of a better term.
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Yeah, Tousei's got some serious Glass Skin vibes, especially at the end.
I kinda wish the album ended a bit better. I get that they wanted to end on a heavy note, but I just don't think the last two songs are all that great quality-wise. I think if they replaced those two songs with a single, better and more climactic-sounding song the album would be a bit better.
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To be honest, if Kukoku no Kyoun was the final song on the album, I would've thought that Arche ended on a very high note. I like The Inferno and Revelation of Mankind it's just that I wouldn't consider them climatic-sounding/closer tracks. I dunno...perhaps if and Zero and Tefu Tefu were on the main disc and opened and closed the album respectively, maybe it would've started and finished a tad better.
I think the only constructive criticism I have about Arche is that it's not their best effort at making a cohesive album, and to be honest I thought Uroboros was their magnum opus in that respect.
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Only slightly-related, but can I just say that Inconvenient Ideal is a fucking amazing album closer? So damn epic.
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To be honest, if Kukoku no Kyoun was the final song on the album, I would've thought that Arche ended on a very high note. I like The Inferno and Revelation of Mankind it's just that I wouldn't consider them climatic-sounding/closer tracks. I dunno...perhaps if and Zero and Tefu Tefu were on the main disc and opened and closed the album respectively, maybe it would've started and finished a tad better.
I think the only constructive criticism I have about Arche is that it's not their best effort at making a cohesive album, and to be honest I thought Uroboros was their magnum opus in that respect.
I agree with that, I think. They've actually always been really good at album closers, and I still think Revelation of Mankind does the trick, but Inferno does seem a little bit....I dunno, shoehorned? I can totally tell they were trying to recapture the magic of the Vanitas/Ruten no Tou combo from the last album, but Revelation is a bit more crushing and in your face than Ruten No Tou or Inconvenient Ideal.
I still think the album flows incredibly well overall, but Uroboros and DSS are fucking SEAMLESS. It's insane.
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With Arche coming out, I've obviously been on a Dir En Grey binge the past few days.
GAWT FEKKIN DANGUT Vinushka's explosions of anger and energy are the fucking best.
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GAWT FEKKIN DANGUT Vinushka's explosions of anger and energy are the fucking best.
Vinushka's probably one of my all time favorite DEG songs ever! Probably their most progressive song literally IMO. Uroboros is still my favorite DEG album even after going back and listening to their other 8 studio albums (including Arche) but maybe I'm a bit sentimental in my judgement since it was the first album of theirs I listened to (well it was the Remastered and Expanded edition I started off with).
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So yeah, this album's grown on me a ton. It was difficult to get much from it the first few listens due to how many songs there are and how similar-sounding some of them seem at first, but now with repeated listens I've realized there's a lot of awesome stuff on here. I still probably enjoy DSS and Uroborus more, but that's not saying much.
Surprisingly, I think my favorite song on the album might be Kaishun. It didn't stick out at all at first, but damn... that song is just beautiful. Dat chorus.
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Yeah, Kaisuhn just blew right by me the first 10 listens or so, now it's easily one of my favorites.
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I just hope Dir En Grey make at least 2 more albums after this one(if not more than that) cause I can never get tired of Kyo's vocals.
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Yep, Kyo is not going to be dethroned as my favorite singer for a very long time, I think. The things he does with his voice...good lord.
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It would make my year if they tour in America next year. Dir En Grey is the last band besides Tool and maybe if Isis reunite that it is absolutely mandatory that I see live. Once that happens, I've pretty much seen every band I've wanted to see live at least once.
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I'd say there's a very strong possibility that they will tour America at some point on this album cycle. However far I have to drive, I'll do it. Missing them last time was soul-crushing.
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Bumping this thread just to share this if anyone hasn't seen it yet. IIRC, they did a 15th anniversary tour for Gauze and they filmed the final show of the tour for a DVD/BluRay release. Unfortunately, it's a Japanese fan-club only release (unless you want to spend hundreds for it on eBay or something) but some people have shared bits of it on YouTube. It's amazing, even with the DEG of today they can still pull off the Gauze songs live in their original arrangements.
Yokan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzoW3nfanNc
Yurameki:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGuH5ggOM7Y
As for Arche, it still holds up extraordinarily well for me nearly 4 months after its release. It's a grower for sure. Still love Uroboros and Dum Spiro Spero more but I can say for sure that it'd be in my top 3 favorite DEG albums of all time followed by Withering to death. and Gauze rounding up my top 5 but that's not saying much.
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Yokan is such an awesome song. Never knew Die played the solo, though. Interesting. Kaoru's guitar is fucking sexy as all sex.
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Yokan's definitely one of my all time favorite DEG songs, if not my favorite of their early days. Gauze grew on me quite a lot, kind of like Arche did. Had somewhat of a difficult time with it but by the 3rd listen it was beginning to click with me entirely. Probably the one of the first three albums for me personally that's flawless from start to finish.
On a live related note, here's our first glimpse of the Arche songs live from a recent MTV Japan special:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9Zz7h8iweA
That performance of Tousei...my goodness. :hefdaddy
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Bumping this thread since it's now been confirmed that the band is touring North America in November. Super short tour it seems like due to their ties with The End Records are no more. It's possible this tour is an attempt to attract a new record American deal. Here are the dates:
TOUR15 NEVER FREE FROM THE AWAKENING
11/02 The Showbox : Seattle, WA USA
11/04 Slim’s : San Francisco, CA USA
11/05 The Mayan : Los Angeles, CA USA
11/09 Bottom Lounge : Chicago, IL USA
11/11 Gramercy Theatre : New York, NY USA
11/13 The Opera House : Toronto, ON CANADA
Japan Live 2015
11/07 Plaza Condesa : Mexico City MEXICO
Incidentally, I secured VIP tickets for the NYC show the day they were offered (I believe all shows sold out of the VIP) I've heard shit stories about the meet and greets/photo ops with the band but hey they way I look at it is that I live only once so I might as well try once you know. Anyway, I'm super pumped that I finally get to see them for the first time since becoming a fan! :metal
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I really want to go to the Chicago show. Dying to see them live.
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Sweet, Opera House is usually pretty cheap.
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And apparently Die has a new side band called DECAYS in which he's the guitars/co-vocalist.
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So what do you guys think about Die's new band?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o60LU9J0QsY
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Well for what it is, I liked it...but it felt...I dunno, a lot more to be desired? It's just a single song, but I think I'll need to hear more songs from Die's band to really form an opinion.
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New album, The Insulated World, dropped today.
(https://st.cdjapan.co.jp/pictures/l/01/15/SFCD-237.jpg)
Tracklist:
1. 軽蔑と始まり (Keibetsu to Hajimari)
2. Devote My Life
3. 人間を被る (Ningen wo Kaburu)
4. Celebrate Empty Howls
5. 詩踏み (Utafumi)
6. Rubbish Heap
7. 赫 (Aka)
8. Values of Madness
9. Downfall
10. Followers
11. 谿壑の欲 (Keigaku no Yoku)
12. 絶縁体 (Zetsuentai)
13. Ranunculus
I will certainly be checking this out a little later on :metal
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...soooooo did anyone listen to this? :P
After sitting on it for a while, I think it's pretty good. Like with Arche, my first few listens weren't too positive, but it ended up growing on me a lot. Still, I'd probably say it's the weakest of their Uroboros-to-present era. A lot of the album is pretty unmemorable and blends together - I think some longer songs and stronger choruses would have helped. There's still enough highlights though and it's definitely worth your time if you like their other albums. Favorite songs would probably be the opener, Celebrate Empty Howls and the last two tracks.
Good luck getting a copy without spending a shit ton of money though... the only method I found for digitally purchasing it was on iTunes for sixteen bucks. I don't even wanna think about what you'll need to pay for a physical copy if you're not in Japan. It seems like after Dum Spiro Spero they just stopped caring about worldwide accessibility.
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I listened to it. Not as good as the last 3 albums but I still enjoyed it overall. I think biggest issue is the production/mix, it just sounds pretty bad compared to their last few, and I think song-wise there's not those standouts I've come to expect from them. But still like a solid 7.5/10 album or so.
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I kinda want to go back on my previous comment and say upon revisiting it (after leaving it for a few weeks) it's actually grown on me quite a bit. I think vocally Kyo delivers just as good as ever and the fact that it's a slightly heavier album than Arche gives him more chances to shine with his range. I would change what I said and I would say it's on par with the last 3, though If I had to pick personal favorites I would still probably put Arche or Dum Spiro Spero as my favorite DEG album at the moment.
Still, I kinda like that about music. You can revisit albums that maybe didn't have big impact but then discover things to love. I actually think it's a pretty great album. I think what the 3 previous albums offer, perhaps a tiny bit more is slightly more variety in the songs. This one is a bit shorter, the songs are a bit more "focused" and from the first track it just hits you hard and keeps going. I also think Zetsuentai is pretty great as a DEG "epic".
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Anyone else checking out the new album next week?
I follow the Dir en Grey reddit and apparently they added some stuff back onto Spotify that hadn't been on there for a long time? Anyway, that's enough of an excuse for me to binge through a load of their music that I've not listened to, or am only vaguely familiar with :metal
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Anyone else checking out the new album next week?
Me!
If it follows the pattern of the previous two releases I'll be indifferent to it at first and then it'll grow on me and I'll like it. :P
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I've had a look at my last.fm and I listened to The Insulated World twice apparently, but I couldn't tell you anything about it.
My favourites are easily Uroboros and Dum Spiro Spero. Currently spinning ARCHE, which is another album I'm not too familiar with, and it's pretty good.
They are not the easiest band to get into but they are definitely unlike anything else I listen to. I'd love to see them live tbh, they strike me as the sort of band who you'd appreciate WAYYYY more after a live show.