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Title: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Marvellous G on July 09, 2010, 01:41:33 PM
Yes, another top 'x' list. But Tool are my favourite band of all time, and I thought it would be interesting for myself, at least, to rank my favourite songs of theirs. This was a nearly impossible task, as 90% of their non-filler tracks could easily be in my top 50 songs of all time, so ranking them all was pretty difficult, but I think I'm happy with the list. There might be some big upsets here, but them's the breaks. So, here's my first three, I'll try and put up three a day from now on.

20. Aenema

Starting with a powerful riff that doesn’t actually sound like many other Tool songs, this title track quickly advances into more standard hard rock territory than Tool had been exploring up to that point on Aenima. The chorus is fantastic and catchy, and my one complaint with the song is that we don’t hear the chorus enough. The slower second half of the song feels almost dreamy, and leads into a fantastic outro that my friend described as ‘just noise.’ How wrong he is. The lyrics are a bit expletive heavy for my tastes, but they do a good job of conveying the anger Maynard clearly feels.

19. Rosetta Stoned

Including Lipan Conjuring and Lost Keys (Blame Hoffman) in this bundle of musical goodness, Rosetta Stoned starts off with one of my favourite first few lines in music (‘Alrighty then… picture this if you will…’) before launching into the kind of Maynard craziness we hadn’t heard since Hooker With A Penis. The song would be higher for me if it didn’t lose direction somewhat in the middle sections, but it redeems itself with one of the best musical climaxes I’ve ever heard, and a slightly surprising ending.

18. The Grudge

I might well get flamed for having this so low, but I don’t think it’s quite up with the top tier of Tool songs as some do. Still, it’s a wonderful start to my favourite album of all time, and the hypnotic riff leads into an interesting singing style for Maynard which initially put me off the song, but has since grown on me. The drums in particular in this song are fantastic, and the outro is one of the few times I’ve really wanted to learn drums after hearing it. Maynard’s scream is also of particular note, and the stunned silence this track leaves me in every time it finishes shows just how intense Tool can be.

Next 3 tomorrow if this gets any traffic at all.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: zxlkho on July 09, 2010, 02:22:51 PM
I'm not a fan of Rosetta Stoned  :\

But Aenema and The Grudge are :metal

LEARN TO SWIM
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: DarkEternalNight on July 09, 2010, 02:36:22 PM
What a sin it will be if Jambi isn't included in the top 10.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Sintheros on July 09, 2010, 02:57:58 PM
What a sin it will be if Jambi is included in the top 10.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: sonatafanica on July 09, 2010, 03:03:28 PM
Spoiler for #1 position...






























































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Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: LTE on July 09, 2010, 03:21:38 PM
Lateralus for number one.
Hoping to see Third Eye in there too.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: ReaperKK on July 09, 2010, 04:54:41 PM
Nice list so far. I like Rosetta Stoned but the song is 2 minutes too long.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: DarkEternalNight on July 09, 2010, 07:29:57 PM
What a sin it will be if Jambi is included in the top 10.
Well that just hurts my feelings :(
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Gadough on July 09, 2010, 09:11:04 PM
Following. :tup
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Fluffy Lothario on July 10, 2010, 04:05:33 AM
The Grudge would probably make my Top 5 of their songs.

I hated Tool for a long time, til my brother bought Lateralus, on the day it came out. When he first played it, it was The Grudge that brought me to borrow the album and listen to it myself. I did the same thing with this song and album as I did with Opeth's Bleak and BWP: sat there and played the song over and over until I loved it, then went and listened to the rest of the album, and found it fit like a glove. I had my own copy of the album by the end of the week.

I can't say I'm a massive fan of Rosetta Stoned. It has parts I really like, but it's kinda messy.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Gadough on July 10, 2010, 04:11:11 AM
Concerning Aenima, watching this guy play it on the drums made me see the song in a new light and made me realize just how good of a song it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO7gWiNJ9Hc
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Marvellous G on July 10, 2010, 04:34:51 AM
Concerning Aenima, watching this guy play it on the drums made me see the song in a new light and made me realize just how good of a song it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO7gWiNJ9Hc

Yeah, that guy is awesome! He's the reason The Grudge is even in my top 20 because of the last 20 seconds of his cover.

And Fluffy Lothario, I do really really love The Grudge, it's just that it doesn't actually do that much musically imo. It is probably the most intense 8 or so minutes I can remember, it's just that I like the proggy side of some of Tool's stuff and The Grudge only has about 3 riffs, which annoys me because I'm pretentious.  :D
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: zxlkho on July 10, 2010, 10:40:38 AM
 :omg: :omg:  :hefdaddy

holy shit that cover was awesome.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Marvellous G on July 10, 2010, 02:35:12 PM
Next 3, with maybe a controversially low placing for one song in particular.

17. No Quarter

I don’t think it’s cheating to have a cover on this list, as *flame shield* I much prefer this to the original. The vocal effect Maynard uses in the first verse annoys me a little, hence it being in the latter quarter of this top 20, but the various buildups and climaxes are some of the high points of this sprawling cover. The outro riff especially stands out as bettering the Led Zep version’s conclusion, and the general atmosphere of the song, specifically during the instrumental section, is markedly different to the jazzier vibe of the original, and suits Tool better than mimicry of the original ever would have done.

16. Undertow

One of the earliest signs that Tool would later venture into more progressive territory, this short but sprawling track laid the groundwork for some of their more complex songs. Undertow has fantastic lyrics and great vocals, and the slowdown at the end is simply stunning, and elevated this song to a new level for me when I first heard it. Maynard’s elongated scream of ‘euphoria’ at the end is also a song, and album, highlight, and still gives me the chills every time I hear it. The riffs are all pretty simple, and repeated a lot, but do the job very well, and right from the start this is an unpredictable and aggressive song.

15. Third Eye

A fan favourite, this song basically requires listening through earphones or headphones late at night. The spacey intros with the Bill Hicks clips, the various wordless Maynard screams, and the off-key guitar soloing under the verses all combine to make this a real trip of a song. My favourite moments are the titular ‘prying open my third eye’ screams (which TERRIFIED me the first time I heard the song late at night, as I was just beginning to nod off towards the end during the quieter sections. When that scream started I practically jumped out of bed) and the spoken word section in the middle which manages to creep me out massively despite me knowing there aren’t many sudden loud bits after it. The Salival version is also excellent, but loses something compared to studio for me, at least.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: LTE on July 10, 2010, 11:23:47 PM
>Ben Hicks

DERP.



haha
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Marvellous G on July 11, 2010, 05:29:13 AM
>Ben Hicks

DERP.



haha

LOL, I just realised that's someone in our year who is completely unlike Bill Hicks.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Fluffy Lothario on July 11, 2010, 05:47:27 AM
Third Eye would also be Top 5 for me.

I don't care much for either No Quarter.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on July 11, 2010, 06:00:16 AM
Having my first ever Tool experience. I'll be using this as a guide.

NP: The Grudge
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: zxlkho on July 11, 2010, 08:40:22 AM
first ever Tool experience
:omg: :omg:
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Quadrochosis on July 11, 2010, 09:15:29 AM
You guys are all spelling "Ænema" wrong. Stop it. The album is Ænima, the song is "Ænema"
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Marvellous G on July 11, 2010, 03:54:58 PM
Three picks that will hopefully surprise some people:

14. Hooker With A Penis

While some see this song as immature and stupid, I see it as ironic and hilarious. While it is the closest Tool can really come to a ‘novelty song’, it’s actually got great riffs and vocal moments, with the chorus being an expletive-filled delight. The various moments where it breaks down to just Maynard whispering are excellent, especially the ‘shut up and… BUYYYY! MY RECORD!’ bit, which is the best, and most hilarious, artist response to being called a sellout that I have ever heard. It also has one of Tool's best instrumental section.

13. You Lied (Live)

Another cover, but a fine one again from Danny Carey’s old band. The atmosphere in this song is incredible, with the bass riff in the intro building up anticipation that is added to by wonderfully harmonised guitar parts, before the crashing, and, for lack of a better word, epic riff, comes in (a riff that reminds me a lot of Metallica’s Outlaw Torn, incidentally) Maynard’s on top form here, and Justin Chancellor does a great job doing the backup vocals in the final verse, which really add more to the song than they’d seem to. Add an amazing outro to all of this, and you’ve got yourself a wonderful cover, and an even more stunning live performance.

12. Cold And Ugly (Live)

This is really the song that proves to me that Tool can do straightforward hard rock with the best of them. The production on Opiate is so raw (probably unintentionally…) but in this song it really adds to the sound. My favourite parts of this song are the way Maynard sings ‘trembling at the thouuught of, feeeeeling,’ for some reason, I really love the way he draws out those words. The quasi-solo is also great, and the fact that it’s live actually adds to it in this case for me. A low-key, angry, straightforward song, three adjectives that are rare to find all in the same Tool track.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: zxlkho on July 11, 2010, 04:06:54 PM
Hooker With A Penis is :metal
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Marvellous G on July 11, 2010, 05:01:10 PM
Hooker With A Penis is :metal

I think it's excellent, but it seems to get hated on by some fans.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Gadough on July 11, 2010, 06:00:49 PM
True story, I've never listened to Hooker With a Penis before because the name freaked me out. I'll remedy that now.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: zxlkho on July 11, 2010, 06:07:13 PM
POINT THAT FUCKIN FINGER UP YOUR ASS

:metal
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Marvellous G on July 12, 2010, 03:12:36 PM
Surely with all the Tool discussions going on in other threads we could get more here?  :'(

Anyhoo, next 3.

11. Intolerance

I got Undertow after I got Aenima, 10,000 Days and Lateralus, so I was a little worried that the earlier Tool material was going to be immature, or just plain bad. This song immediately silenced my worries. Some of Maynard’s better lyrics, and easily one of my favourite vocal performances of his. He sounds so tortured in the ‘veil of virtue’ sections that you’d swear he was singing this to whoever it was written about as they sat cowering in front of him. Another excellent surprise is the bluesy, almost funky riff, that enters the song at the halfway point and later closes it out. Another great shorter song from Tool, proving they can handle songs of varying lengths equally well.

10. H.

This is the song that really shows off how good a lyricist Maynard is. They manage to be mysterious, slightly eerie at points, and very, very powerful in this incredibly intense song. The tension in the verses is palpable, with some understated but interesting guitar work by Adam Jones over some calmer vocals. When the chorus kicks in, all hell breaks loose, and Maynard sounds, once again, genuinely tortured. The final chorus is my favourite bit of the song, with the underlying guitar chords sounding at the same time dissonant and perfect. A hugely emotional song, but a great one with a surprisingly catchy chorus to boot.

9. Eulogy

The song that has taken me longer to get into than most others, when it finally clicked I was in love. The awesome percussive intro sets the mood nicely, and the verses and choruses are all very good, if standard. It’s at around the halfway mark that the song kicks into one of Tool’s better riffs, and the final two minutes are astonishingly good in terms of vocals, with some of Maynard’s best screams. Just listening to the ‘TO ASCEND YOU MUST DIEEE!’ bit is an adrenaline rush, I can’t imagine what it would be like live. This song seems to be overlooked when people list their top Tool songs, but it’s definitely up there for me.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Gadough on July 18, 2010, 06:43:56 PM
Bump. Want moar.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: zxlkho on July 18, 2010, 06:55:59 PM
MOAR PLEASE

Eulogy should be much higher, imo  :\
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 18, 2010, 07:01:40 PM
FYI You Lied is by Justin's old band Peach
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Marvellous G on July 28, 2010, 05:53:21 AM
Sorry to all three of you, I was on holiday, but I'll bang the rest of this out at some point just to get it done.  :P

Eulogy should be much higher, imo  :\

Yeah, I felt a little guilty about placing it so low, but I feel the eight songs I ranked higher inched it probably.

FYI You Lied is by Justin's old band Peach

Thanks, I thought it was Danny's for some reason but it makes way more sense to be Justin's because of the bass-heavy nature of it.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: zxlkho on July 28, 2010, 05:55:45 AM
:tup
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on July 28, 2010, 06:13:30 AM
Welcome back, mate!
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Gadough on July 28, 2010, 04:28:44 PM
VIGINTI TRES AT NO. 1

I'M CALLING IT

:neverusethis: 
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Marvellous G on July 28, 2010, 04:37:59 PM
GADOUGH STOP SPOILING THE END  >:(

Despite the number 1 being out in the open, I'll continue with another three. We're into the heavy hitters now, so my number eight is:


8. Vicarious

As a friend of mine commented, the intro actually sort of sounds like Midi. But I think that’s inevitable when you’ve got such a multi layered piece of music that it took me weeks to decipher. After that first superb fifty seconds are over, the song grows in volume and kicks into some of the best riffs of the band’s discography. The main riff is one of my favourite of all time, and Maynard’s vocals are very emotional throughout, even if the lyrics are a little disappointing for me compared to other songs on this list. The song is one of Tool’s most complicated structurally, but learning it all on guitar was one of the more rewarding things I’ve done in a while. The song has so much built into it that you don’t really hear until many many listens later that it still hasn’t got old to me, and the final chorus is one of the high points in 10,000 Days. Sure, the outro sounds like Schism’s, but it’s still great, and leaves me feeling similarly to how I do after listening to The Grudge afterwards. Fun fact, it's the second word I learned from Tool after 'atrophy' from Schism. True that.

7. Reflection

I have no idea how this is as low as number seven on my list, but I’m not gonna let myself include Disposition and Triad in this pick, which would push this up to the top five at least. Reflection on it’s own is still easily my favourite song of that sequence, and while some of my friends describe the intro as too boring to listen further, I see it as the best example of a song building up slowly that I have ever heard. The bass riff that is heard throughout most of the song just sounds so… paranoid, and the drums are outstanding throughout. This almost becomes a mood piece, as the vocals act as more of an instrument than they have before or since in Tool’s music. The lyrics are sublime, and the eventual, long-awaited climax (tee-hee.) is one of the best in the band’s catalogue. Also of note is the hypnotic riff that repeats at the end, as you’re left in a state of shock after the sonic bliss you’ve just experienced.


6. Right In Two

Another grower of a song. Starting out very quietly, the production really shines through (amazingly for a Tool song…) as Adam Jones’ riff echoes around in your head. Maynard’s lyrics here are admittedly a little preachy and hokey, but the ‘repugnant is a creature…’ line is probably one of, if not the greatest, lines I’ve ever heard. The song builds and builds and builds, and then during the first ‘chorus’, you wonder how on earth there can be another five minutes of that intensity. But the instrumental section is one of Tool’s finest, with a surprisingly heavy set of riffs culminating in a completely brilliant polyrhythmic section reminiscent of  Forty Six & 2. The final reprise is as intense as they come, and the best closer to an album I can remember since, well… Third Eye. (I don’t count Viginti Tres as the closer here…) I saw someone say that this song should be a B-Side, and I wanted to kick them, kick them in the head. It is sort of minimalist I suppose, but that's what Tool can do well where other bands fail. And that polyrhythmic bit is so eargasmic that this has to take the number six spot for me.

Top 5 now HNNNG.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Fluffy Lothario on July 28, 2010, 09:28:08 PM
I went from loving Vicarious to more or less hating it and then back to loving it again.

Reflection would probably be Top 5 for me.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: zxlkho on July 28, 2010, 09:46:01 PM
I have never in my life listened to Disposition, Reflection, or Triad separately. I don't plan on it either. The sequence would probably be top 5 for me.

and Vicarious is :metal
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Gadough on July 28, 2010, 10:47:49 PM
I went from loving Vicarious to more or less hating it and then back to loving it again.

How odd. I've loved that song since the first time I heard it. Instant classic, in my books.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Fluffy Lothario on July 28, 2010, 11:06:46 PM
The lyrics came to bug me, and it just kind of fell apart from there.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on July 29, 2010, 05:15:30 AM
Viginti Tres is weird... ly good!
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Marvellous G on July 29, 2010, 06:14:27 AM
The lyrics came to bug me, and it just kind of fell apart from there.

Yeah, the lyrics annoy me a bit, but at least the delivery of them is excellent, enough to carry them for me. It's probably one of my top 3 most played Tool tracks, and it's one I don't think I'll get bored of, although, weirdly, it took me quite a while to love it in the first place.  :huh:
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: cthrubuoy on July 29, 2010, 08:00:59 AM
My list would be very different to this one. However, you may continue.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Marvellous G on July 29, 2010, 11:45:57 AM
My list would be very different to this one. However, you may continue.

This might not be the best representative list, as I'm trying to mix it up a little from what might be expected, otherwise I'd have D-R-T as my number 1 or 2 most likely. And all of Lateralus (album) would be on it.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: cthrubuoy on July 29, 2010, 11:48:51 AM
Even Mantra?
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Marvellous G on July 29, 2010, 11:49:52 AM
Even Mantra?

Especially Mantra.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: cthrubuoy on July 29, 2010, 11:54:31 AM
Yeh I love listening to Maynard squeeze his cat.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Birch Boy on July 29, 2010, 12:04:06 PM
Just read through this thread so far, looking forward to the next songs  :metal
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Marvellous G on July 30, 2010, 06:36:15 AM
I'll slow it down to 1 at a time now as we're at the real heavyweights. This might be a controversially high placing, but for my number five I pick...

5. jimmy

A criminally underrated gem of a song. It has a dreamlike quality that even other Tool songs don’t often match throughout, with some great lyrics from Maynard and wonderful wordless vocal moments. The main riff is one of Jones’ best, and the instrumental section is understated but engaging. The outro is just musical bliss, and you almost feel like you’re swimming through it in a way. I've heard a lot of people who don't care for Tool, or even heavier music in general, appreciate this track, as it's got such a unique feel and flow. Another person said they felt like they'd finished sex at the end of this song, which might be just a liiiitle extreme, but I sort of see what they're getting at. I also personally think the album art for Aenima is PERFECT for this song. I wish this got more recognition, as it’s one of my favourite Aenima songs but doesn’t seem to get much love from a lot of fans.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: cthrubuoy on July 30, 2010, 06:51:41 AM
I'd like to add how awesome the Intermission into Jimmy is. Good choice.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: wolfking on July 30, 2010, 06:59:08 AM
This is by far one of my fav's.  Agree with everything that's been said, and yes cthrubuoy, that intermission is amazing!!!

Hold your light,
Eleven, Lead me through each gentle step,
By step,
By inch by loaded memory,
I'll move,
To heal,
As soon as pain allows so we can,
Reunite,
And both move on together.

Hold,
Your light,
Eleven lead me through each gentle step,
By step,
By inch by loaded memory 'till,
One,
And one are one,
Eleven.
So glow,
Child,
Glow.
I'm heading back home...


This part is pure MUSIC WIN!!!  I love it. Mixes so many emotions inside of me.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: zxlkho on July 31, 2010, 09:43:26 AM
I'd like to add how awesome the Intermission into Jimmy is. Good choice.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: MetalManiac666 on July 31, 2010, 10:08:47 AM
Cool list. :tup
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Marvellous G on July 31, 2010, 12:18:17 PM
Maybe a more obvious choice now, but a very deserved number 4 for me.

4. Schism

This is probably actually the most perfectly structured Tool song, but not quite my favourite overall. From the calm opening chords, you know you’re in for something magical. Chancellor’s riff is both haunting and catchy, and leads into an eerie sounding verse, which in turn leads into a surprisingly aggressive chorus. The breakdown that follows shows that Tool have one of the finest rhythm sections in the world, and then the quiet middle section is hypnotic and beautiful. Maynard's vocals in this bit are stunning and calming, and sort of sound like an instrument themselves. I also like the weird sound effects, they really add to the atmosphere.  The outro is full of great riffs that only get used for about one second each, and the final vocal moments and riff are so oppressive that you can’t help but be caught breathless by the end of the song. It also has some of the best lyrics I’ve ever heard. Overall, I think this is a Tool classic, but I have no idea whatsoever how it ended up being their biggest single.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: zxlkho on July 31, 2010, 12:20:26 PM
but I have no idea whatsoever how it ended up being their biggest single.

This is amazes me to this day.



AWESOME SONG :metal
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: MetalManiac666 on July 31, 2010, 06:10:50 PM
AWESOME SONG :metal
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Marvellous G on August 01, 2010, 03:21:59 PM
Bronze medal time. And I give it to...

3. Pushit/Pushit (Live)

Both the studio and Salival versions are true masterpieces. The studio version is more direct and handles some sections better, for instance the outro works better studio for me personally. But overall the constant buildup found in the Salival version appeals to me more. Whichever version you prefer, by the time you’ve got to the ‘if when I say I might fade like a sigh when I stay,’ section, you’d better hold on to your proverbial hats, as the final two minutes of this song are topped only by the final two minutes of… another song I shall not name… But the unexpectedly heavy outro is climactic and insane, and the final line of ‘before I claw your fucking throat away, it will end no other way!’ is chilling, and a wonderful way to close one of the most epic musical journeys I’ve ever experienced. The tabla solo in the Salival version is also interesting, but I would concede that the song drags a bit more live. The very beginning of the studio version is also very cool, with the strings fading in immediately giving the song a slightly creepy air. A final thing of note for me about this song is that I didn't like it for about the first fifteen listens. I'm not sure if it was the Salival version that did it for me, or just sheer persistence in the end, but if you're struggling to get into this song I'd recommend giving the Salival version a try as a final attempt.

The way I see it, there are now three or four very heavy hitters left for the last 2 places, so I'll put up my flame shield now for the glaring omission(s) to come.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Birch Boy on August 01, 2010, 03:24:07 PM
Awesome song  :metal
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: zxlkho on August 01, 2010, 03:50:29 PM
I'm not a fan of this one as much, but it's still Tool!  :metal
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Birch Boy on August 01, 2010, 03:56:22 PM
You're still a tool too!  :heart
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Marvellous G on August 01, 2010, 03:59:37 PM
It does seem a weirdly divisive song among fans. Before I loved it I couldn't see much good about it, but now the opposite is true, so I guess I'm just lucky/happy it did eventually click with me. Give it another try zxlkho!
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: zxlkho on August 01, 2010, 04:01:21 PM
You're still a tool too!  :heart
:heart

It does seem a weirdly divisive song among fans. Before I loved it I couldn't see much good about it, but now the opposite is true, so I guess I'm just lucky/happy it did eventually click with me. Give it another try zxlkho!
Wow you actually used my name!  :D

Yeah I'll give it a try when I'm finished with my Opeth obsession.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Marvellous G on August 01, 2010, 04:03:36 PM
I had to add it to Chrome's dictionary to kill the infuriating red spellcheck line! :lol

But yeah, I do have to be in a Tool mood for Pushit even more than their other songs, so fair enough.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Birch Boy on August 01, 2010, 04:06:34 PM
Pushit on me, pushit on me, put shit on me, put shit on me
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Marvellous G on August 03, 2010, 10:41:47 AM
I assume quite a lot of people know what my number 1 is anyway, but the way I see it there are still two clear contenders for it after this.

2. Stinkfist

Weirdly, despite the fact it’s quite simple, this song took the longest time to grow on me that a song ever has. But when it clicked, it cemented myself as one of my favourite songs of all time. From the innocuous opening noises, to the industrial sounding guitar riff, this song is just perfect. Maynard’s lyrics are either perverse or poetic depending on how you look at it, but I prefer to think of it as a song about desensitization than about, well, you know… The chorus is one of the most emotional things I’ve ever heard in music, and Maynard’s roar in the instrumental section leads into what I would argue is the best riff Tool have ever written. There is just something about the song that you don't get in other 5 minute rock/metal tracks, for me at least. I can see why some people would call it generic or uninspired, but maybe it's just the way Maynard/Tool deliver it that makes it so much more than the sum of its parts. It might not be long or complicated, but Stinkfist really packs an emotional punch (HA.) that is unrivalled by most other bands, and even most other Tool songs. But not quite all…
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: zxlkho on August 03, 2010, 01:50:14 PM
Good song but it wouldn't be nearly this high for me. Maybe top 15.

20. Aenema
19. Rosetta Stoned
18. The Grudge
17. No Quarter
16. Undertow
15. Third Eye
14. Hooker With A Penis
13. You Lied (Live)
12. Cold And Ugly (Live)
11. Intolerance
10. H.
9. Eulogy
8. Vicarious
7. Reflection
6. Right In Two
5. jimmy
4. Schism
3. Pushit/Pushit (Live)
2. Stinkfist


Yeah, we all know what number one is.  :D
Also, there is a serious lack of Wings for Marie/10,000 Days on this list.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: cthrubuoy on August 03, 2010, 02:01:16 PM
Yeah, we all know what number one is.  :D

I don't. You're missing Parabola, Ticks and Leeches, Lateralus, Sober and as said WFM/10k days. They would all be on my top 20 list :(
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Birch Boy on August 03, 2010, 02:14:31 PM
I'd put my money on number one being "Lateralus", although I have a feeling that it could be "Sober".
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: zxlkho on August 03, 2010, 02:47:07 PM
Nah it's Lateralus. There's no way anyone could make an argument to keep that out a of a Tool top 20 list.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Marvellous G on August 04, 2010, 06:43:52 PM
Zxlkho is correct. An anticlimactic pick maybe, but I'll buck the trend and at least put a proper explanation.

1. Lateralus

So, my number one Tool song is also my number one song of all time. Somehow, it’s the first Tool song I heard, and I immediately knew that this band was going to change my musical life. The intro riff is deceptively calm, but the storm soon comes in one of Tool’s best riffs. Whether you care for the Fibonacci gimmickry or not, I still think that the phrasing of the vocals in the verses is excellent regardless, and the drums in the verses just sound so… huge, that I can’t help but be blown away. The chorus is just magnificent, but it’s after the first five minutes are done that this song transforms into something that transcends music, for me at least. The reprise of the intro riff with Maynard’s inspirational lyrics and calm singing are what converted me into a complete Maynard fanboy (or Maynerd ha.), and the song builds up impossibly until it all comes to a head at around seven minutes, when the greatest pause ever in music leads into an incredibly simple, but more amazingly effective, riff. The last two minutes of this song are just too majestic for me to describe here, but if you listen in the right circumstances then this song can be a really indescribable experience. My favourite small touch is when the wah kicks in when Maynard sings ‘following our will and wind…’ It shouldn’t change much, as it’s simply the same riff but an octave up and with wah, but it always make me visualise something that I can't really explain, but really adds to the atmosphere of the song. So yeah, I like Lateralus, and I missed out these songs also:
   
Just-Missed-The-Lists:

Prison Sex
Sober
4 Degrees
Forty Six & 2
Parobol/Parabola
Ticks And Leeches
Jambi
Wings For Marie/10,000 Days
Intension

Thanks to everyone who followed this list!
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: zxlkho on August 04, 2010, 06:47:46 PM
I'd like to do a list, but I don't feel like I'd be able to have these types of write-ups. They wouldn't be as detailed.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Marvellous G on August 04, 2010, 06:49:10 PM
I'd like to do a list, but I don't feel like I'd be able to have these types of write-ups. They wouldn't be as detailed.

I didn't realise that one was that long.  :-\ I'm just massively overenthusiastic about Tool, but shorter ones would probably work better than longer ones, you should do one!
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: PixelDream on August 04, 2010, 07:12:16 PM
Yeah, Stinkfist and Lateralus are amazing. Lateralus would be my #1 too, and Stinkfist isn't too far away.

I'd place 'The Grudge' definately higher though. It perfectly captures Lateralus' album atmosphere AND it kicks a lot of ass. That scream by Maynard is one of my favorite screams in rock music, especially how he fires it off. The outro is one of my favorite Tool outros as well. That's my only complaint with Tool: They don't rip it up enough on some albums. Luckily on 10,000 Days they solved that problem, but they also lost some of their 'Tool-ness' with it. A good sacrifice, 10,000 Days is such a fun album to listen to.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: zxlkho on August 04, 2010, 07:30:47 PM
Oh yea, I forgot to add: excellent list! :tup
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: wolfking on August 05, 2010, 12:37:48 AM
I never understood the love for Lateralus (title track) it wouldn't be in my tool top 20 actually.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Marvellous G on August 05, 2010, 07:11:08 AM
I never understood the love for Lateralus (title track) it wouldn't be in my tool top 20 actually.
:o
Not even top 20? It captures everything I love about Tool! It's also one of their best songs musically, you don't really get that combination of intensity and technicality with many other Tool songs. (except on drums, I suppose)
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: wolfking on August 05, 2010, 07:13:59 AM
Hmm...maybe I'm being a bit harsh.  I'll relisten and let you know.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: zxlkho on August 05, 2010, 08:28:52 PM
While playing Halo with various DTF members, we decided we need a Tool survivor. Badly. Anyone interested?
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: wolfking on August 05, 2010, 10:59:33 PM
While playing Halo with various DTF members, we decided we need a Tool survivor. Badly. Anyone interested?

Count me in.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Marvellous G on August 06, 2010, 05:09:06 AM
Yeah, definitely.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: cthrubuoy on August 06, 2010, 05:44:42 AM
Yeh me too, post here when it's up!
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: zxlkho on August 06, 2010, 07:41:20 AM
Do any of you want to run it? I'm doing the In Flames one right now. I could do 2, but I'd like to let someone else have a shot.

EDIT: If one of you wants to step up, you can get it started. Post in the Ongoing Survivors thread first though.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: Birch Boy on August 06, 2010, 05:50:44 PM
I'd do it, but I'm not too familiar with Lateralus though (yes, I've heard it though, and acknowledge it's awesomeness).

EDIT: I'd definitely participate in all the other albums though, so count me in
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: zxlkho on August 06, 2010, 06:06:13 PM
I guess ill just do it. It shouldn't be hard to run 2 survivors at once.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: DarkEternalNight on August 06, 2010, 06:33:21 PM
What exactly are these "survivors"?
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: zxlkho on August 06, 2010, 06:52:42 PM
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?board=9.0

You vote for your least favorite song each round and it creates a ranking for the album. Top 2 or 3 from each album make it to the finals and you vote again for a winner.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: DarkEternalNight on August 06, 2010, 08:24:49 PM
Awesome. I'll definitely join in.
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: cthrubuoy on August 13, 2010, 02:26:19 AM
I thought that was a link to a Tool Survivor then, I got all excited :(
Title: Re: Marvellous G's Tool Top Twenty
Post by: zxlkho on August 13, 2010, 04:40:25 AM
It will be up when the Coheed survivor is over.