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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: Gadough on June 29, 2010, 08:23:09 PM
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This song gets way too much hate in my opinion. I absolutely adore this song - if pressed, I might even say it would make my top 10. It connects with me on a personal level because I find the lyrics to be very encouraging, seeing as how I'll soon be moving out, beginning college, and starting a new chapter of my life. It's a song that, if I'm feeling particularly stressed about my future, I can listen to it and it calms me down a bit. It's a "everything will work out in the end" sort of song for me, and that makes it awesome.
Anyone else love it? Also, if you're one of the many who dislike it, please elaborate as to why. I'm curious and would like to see the song from some other perspectives.
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This song was definitely a grower for me. While I liked it to a certain extent, I found that the more I came to love Dream Theater, I cam to love all of the work that they do. This song is a great example of a short, light song that hits you on many emotional levels and can even bring a tear to your eye if in the right mood. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna throw on Octavarium :millahhhh
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It's not bad. It's just not DT. It's DT trying to sound like something other than themselves. You'll notice the songs they do this on are usually not liked much.
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It's not bad. It's just not DT. It's DT trying to sound like something other than themselves. You'll notice the songs they do this on are usually not liked much.
not a typical DT song. i think it would be better if this song is arranged in the later part of the album.
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It's just not DT. It's DT trying to sound like something other than themselves.
I don't know what you mean by this. It's just a simple, straightforward ballad. DT have been doing that since the beginning (Another Day).
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It's not bad. It's just not DT. It's DT trying to sound like something other than themselves. You'll notice the songs they do this on are usually not liked much.
It's not DT, you're right. But it's also bad. The lyrics are a cliche-ridden crappy attempt at New Age self-help. And the music is bland to the point of not being interesting. It's not sparse, stark, simple, or understated; it's just bland.
Bland music + awful lyrics = one of their worst songs. Easily a bottom 5 for me.
But if you like it, then great.
But there is nothing simple or straightforward about Another Day.
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Well, it's shorter than most of the other songs on Images and Words and it's also softer, that's why I made the comparison.
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It's not bad. It's just not DT. It's DT trying to sound like something other than themselves. You'll notice the songs they do this on are usually not liked much.
It's not DT, you're right. But it's also bad. The lyrics are a cliche-ridden crappy attempt at New Age self-help. And the music is bland to the point of not being interesting. It's not sparse, stark, simple, or understated; it's just bland.
Bland music + awful lyrics = one of their worst songs. Easily a bottom 5 for me.
But if you like it, then great.
But there is nothing simple or straightforward about Another Day.
All of this. One of DT's worst songs.
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It's not bad. It's just not DT. It's DT trying to sound like something other than themselves. You'll notice the songs they do this on are usually not liked much.
It's not DT, you're right. But it's also bad. The lyrics are a cliche-ridden crappy attempt at New Age self-help. And the music is bland to the point of not being interesting. It's not sparse, stark, simple, or understated; it's just bland.
Bland music + awful lyrics = one of their worst songs. Easily a bottom 5 for me.
But if you like it, then great.
But there is nothing simple or straightforward about Another Day.
All of this. One of DT's worst songs.
THIS THIS THIS.
Besides it was a huge buzz killer, after TROAE
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Really good song. The Score version is amazing, I always loved how MP sings ''You're gonna SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIINE'' in that version.
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I like it. It would probably work better later in the album, but then the whole octave concept wouldn't work.
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Nothing really special about this song, but I wouldn't call it a bad song per se. I can see why some think it is bland. I don't go out of my way to listen to it, but if comes on, more often than not I will listen to it. If nothing else, I will take it over "These Walls" (which is much more boring), "Never Enough" (bland, cliched lyrics are better than bitching about fans ones) and "Sacrificed Sons."
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I don't think its that bad, not the worst song on Octavarium for me.
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I don't think TALW is bad at all but it shouldn't have been after TROAE in the tracklist.
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its not a song i usually want to put on when i want Dream Theater but if i listen to the album known as Octavarium, i thoroughly enjoy it, one of their better ballads IMO :yarr
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It's gotta be one of the most cliche, sappiest wastes of music I've ever heard in any genre. There is really no point in this song even existing other than to fill some space on an album.
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It's gotta be one of the most cliche, sappiest wastes of music I've ever heard in any genre. There is really no point in this song even existing other than to fill some space on an album.
:lol
I called it. When I made this thread I just knew you would post something like this.
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its not a song i usually want to put on when i want Dream Theater but if i listen to the album known as Octavarium, i thoroughly enjoy it, one of their better ballads IMO :yarr
I agree. Especially with :yarr.
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It's gotta be one of the most cliche, sappiest wastes of music I've ever heard in any genre. There is really no point in this song even existing other than to fill some space on an album.
:lol
I called it. When I made this thread I just knew you would post something like this.
Hey I gots a job to do. :millahhhh
But I was seriously so disappointed and my excitement from TROAE died so fast when this track came on the first time I heard it. I just don't understand why they thought it was a good idea.
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I think the lyrics are cool, especially when you have kids. It is the picture of a father passing on their wisdom to their child. In that light, I can't see them encasing it in a TOT-style song. Other than that, I will listen to it when it comes on, but that is about it.
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Not my favourite to be honest. I do however, liek the "you're gonna shiiine" part like most people.
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I didn't like it much at first, but I eventually came to appreciate it. It's got some cool stuff in it, but nothing incredibly spectacular. Overall, the lyrics and music are uplifting and positive. That has to count for something even if people still don't like it.
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I think the lyrics are cool, especially when you have kids. It is the picture of a father passing on their wisdom to their child. In that light, I can't see them encasing it in a TOT-style song. Other than that, I will listen to it when it comes on, but that is about it.
The thing is, most of us aren't Petruccis kids. He wrote the song and sold it to us, not his kids. See, if the song were about say....dragons and monsters, that would be better.
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I thought his kids were dragons and monsters
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I honestly loved this song from the minute I heard it. It is completely different from everything they've done and I agree it's a little cliche' /new agey, but I have to admit, I love the lyrics. "You're gonna shiiiiiiiine" is my favorite part too!
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I don't hate the song by any stretch, but I agree with hef that it is exceedingly bland and lacks any sort of emotional punch whatsoever. This is one of the VERY few DT songs that just feels like filler to me, except that it's obviously not filler because the band were obviously trying to construct something they considered emotional. But listening to this song would be like eating plain tofu. There's nothing even remotely interesting enough to make me even consider coming back for a second bite.
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I've never had tofu before, so I don't understand your analogy.
:neverusethis:
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While I already liked the song, I also associate it with a very personal, very positive memory, so that probably helps.
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I've never had tofu before, so I don't understand your analogy.
:neverusethis:
Then try to imagine water-flavored gelatin and that's probably close enough.
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isn't there some sort of rule about not discussing things as disgusting as tofu on the forum?
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I didn't like TALW at all untill I heard the Score version, now it's okay and soothing and kinda beautifull
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It's not a great song. It's not a bad song. But it's a good song.
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I didn't like TALW at all untill I heard the Score version, now it's okay and soothing and kinda beautifull
It's funny, I was at RCMH that night, and TALW was pretty much the only song that made everyone sit down.
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I didn't like TALW at all untill I heard the Score version, now it's okay and soothing and kinda beautifull
It's funny, I was at RCMH that night, and TALW was pretty much the only song that made everyone sit down.
Was it nice to see the entire concert live for real! ike, being there!!! :D
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I didn't like TALW at all untill I heard the Score version, now it's okay and soothing and kinda beautifull
It's funny, I was at RCMH that night, and TALW was pretty much the only song that made everyone sit down.
That doesn't necessarily make it a bad song by itself - it isn't really a song I'd expect a moshpit to form for.
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I've always considered it the weakest on the album together with I Walk Beside You, but I could never say it's a bad song in any way, and I find it necessary for the flow of the album.
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I've always considered it the weakest on the album together with I Walk Beside You, but I could never say it's a bad song in any way, and I find it necessary for the flow of the album.
Agree 100% or no...for me it kinda brings the album down a little along with I walk beside you
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I've always considered it the weakest on the album together with I Walk Beside You, but I could never say it's a bad song in any way, and I find it necessary for the flow of the album.
Agree 100% or no...for me it kinda brings the album down a little along with I walk beside you
What the hell did you just say?
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:rollin
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I really like it. Then again, I've never really been a metalhead, so I may have a different view from a lot of you guys.
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I didn't like TALW at all untill I heard the Score version, now it's okay and soothing and kinda beautifull
It's funny, I was at RCMH that night, and TALW was pretty much the only song that made everyone sit down.
Was it nice to see the entire concert live for real! ike, being there!!! :D
Nah, it was awful.
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And just think, the man many think is such a wizard at constructing set lists somehow came to the determination that "The Answer Lies Within" was worthy of being on the band's 20th anniversary set list, but songs like "Take the Time," "Learning to Live," "Voices," "Lines in the Sand," "Trial of Tears," "Home," "The Glass Prison," "Blind Faith" and "In the Name of God" weren't. It boggles the mind. :biggrin: :lol
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I didn't like TALW at all untill I heard the Score version, now it's okay and soothing and kinda beautifull
It's funny, I was at RCMH that night, and TALW was pretty much the only song that made everyone sit down.
Was it nice to see the entire concert live for real! ike, being there!!! :D
Nah, it was awful.
RCMH or the song?
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And just think, the man many think is such a wizard at constructing set lists somehow came to the determination that "The Answer Lies Within" was worthy of being on the band's 20th anniversary set list, but songs like "Take the Time," "Learning to Live," "Voices," "Lines in the Sand," "Trial of Tears," "Home," "The Glass Prison," "Blind Faith" and "In the Name of God" weren't. It boggles the mind. :biggrin: :lol
Personally, I feel that the inclusion of TALW was worse than the exclusion of those others.
But really, it wasn't a 20th anniversary set list per se, at least not how you seem to be implying - where they would play "the greatest songs of their 20 year career." It was never promoted that way, and never intended to be that way.
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But really, it wasn't a 20th anniversary set list per se, at least not how you seem to be implying - where they would play "the greatest songs of their 20 year career." It was never promoted that way, and never intended to be that way.
I know, but either way, for a show being promoted as their 20th anniversary show, it was a pretty weak set list. Too many top notch and very popular DT songs were not played, and too many run of the mill songs were played. I know it wasn't a "play the greatest songs of their career" type thing, but considering it WAS an anniversary show, I think the set list was lacking. I remember getting home that night and checking the 'net to see what they played, seeing the set list, and actually saying out loud, "That is the set list they played?" I wouldn't call it bad so much as I would call it underwhelming.
Contrast that to Rush, who did their 30th anniversary tour the year before and busted out most of their most popular songs (that actually get played live, meaning not songs they simply do not play anymore). Imagine Rush doing that tour and playing "Face Up," but not playing "2112," "Xanadu" or "La Villa Strangiato." That is basically what DT did by playing "The Answer Lies Within" and not playing "Take the Time," "Learning to Live" and "The Glass Prison." And Rush ain't exactly perfect when it comes to constructing set lists, but at least they got that one mostly right.
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I didn't like TALW at all untill I heard the Score version, now it's okay and soothing and kinda beautifull
It's funny, I was at RCMH that night, and TALW was pretty much the only song that made everyone sit down.
Was it nice to see the entire concert live for real! ike, being there!!! :D
Nah, it was awful.
RCMH or the song?
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sarcasm
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But really, it wasn't a 20th anniversary set list per se, at least not how you seem to be implying - where they would play "the greatest songs of their 20 year career." It was never promoted that way, and never intended to be that way.
I know, but either way, for a show being promoted as their 20th anniversary show, it was a pretty weak set list. Too many top notch and very popular DT songs were not played, and too many run of the mill songs were played. I know it wasn't a "play the greatest songs of their career" type thing, but considering it WAS an anniversary show, I think the set list was lacking. I remember getting home that night and checking the 'net to see what they played, seeing the set list, and actually saying out loud, "That is the set list they played?" I wouldn't call it bad so much as I would call it underwhelming.
Being at RCMH I must say that the worst part of the night was getting pumped up after TROAE and then immediately receiving I Walk Beside You. I've never seen a crowd go from :metal to :| so fast in my life. I dunno if the DVD shows it but the energy died immediately.
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But really, it wasn't a 20th anniversary set list per se, at least not how you seem to be implying - where they would play "the greatest songs of their 20 year career." It was never promoted that way, and never intended to be that way.
I know, but either way, for a show being promoted as their 20th anniversary show, it was a pretty weak set list. Too many top notch and very popular DT songs were not played, and too many run of the mill songs were played. I know it wasn't a "play the greatest songs of their career" type thing, but considering it WAS an anniversary show, I think the set list was lacking. I remember getting home that night and checking the 'net to see what they played, seeing the set list, and actually saying out loud, "That is the set list they played?" I wouldn't call it bad so much as I would call it underwhelming.
Contrast that to Rush, who did their 30th anniversary tour the year before and busted out most of their most popular songs (that actually get played live, meaning not songs they simply do not play anymore). Imagine Rush doing that tour and playing "Face Up," but not playing "2112," "Xanadu" or "La Villa Strangiato." That is basically what DT did by playing "The Answer Lies Within" and not playing "Take the Time," "Learning to Live" and "The Glass Prison." And Rush ain't exactly perfect when it comes to constructing set lists, but at least they got that one mostly right.
It wasn't promoted as a 20th anniversary show, Kev. That's what I'm saying.
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But really, it wasn't a 20th anniversary set list per se, at least not how you seem to be implying - where they would play "the greatest songs of their 20 year career." It was never promoted that way, and never intended to be that way.
I know, but either way, for a show being promoted as their 20th anniversary show, it was a pretty weak set list. Too many top notch and very popular DT songs were not played, and too many run of the mill songs were played. I know it wasn't a "play the greatest songs of their career" type thing, but considering it WAS an anniversary show, I think the set list was lacking. I remember getting home that night and checking the 'net to see what they played, seeing the set list, and actually saying out loud, "That is the set list they played?" I wouldn't call it bad so much as I would call it underwhelming.
Contrast that to Rush, who did their 30th anniversary tour the year before and busted out most of their most popular songs (that actually get played live, meaning not songs they simply do not play anymore). Imagine Rush doing that tour and playing "Face Up," but not playing "2112," "Xanadu" or "La Villa Strangiato." That is basically what DT did by playing "The Answer Lies Within" and not playing "Take the Time," "Learning to Live" and "The Glass Prison." And Rush ain't exactly perfect when it comes to constructing set lists, but at least they got that one mostly right.
First, The Answer Lies Within was in the orchestral part, which changes a lot. There are few DT songs that can be arranged with an orchestra and actually work without complete re-writing of the song, and it is one of them. I can definitely see why they played it.
And the Score setlist is interesting in a way that it actually includes songs they don't play often but still shows their entire history. I would have probably never found out about such a great song as Raise The Knife otherwise, or we would not get the incredible orchestrated version of Six Degrees if they decided to pick, say, Peruvian Skies and The Glass Prison instead. You have the popular tracks on several other DVDs. Here, they did something unusual and it's a very good idea for me.
(And they've been playing Take The Time and Learning to Live lots of times on the recent tours.)
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It wasn't promoted as a 20th anniversary show, Kev. That's what I'm saying.
It may not have been promoted as that, but they did still take pains to play a song (some of them rarities) from every album/era, so, in that sense, it feels like a celebration of the history of the band, especially on the DVD because of the corresponding The Score So Far documentary.
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It wasn't promoted as a 20th anniversary show, Kev. That's what I'm saying.
It may not have been promoted as that, but they did still take pains to play a song (some of them rarities) from every album/era, so, in that sense, it feels like a celebration of the history of the band, especially on the DVD because of the corresponding The Score So Far documentary.
They did that at every stop on that tour. The only thing special about the RCMH show was the location, and the orchestra, and the fact that they worked up a complete performance of 6DOIT incorporating the orchestra. Otherwise, they kept to the exact format of the rest of the tour.
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It was pretty much a 20th anniversary tour though hef. That doesn't exclude the lame setlist.
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It wasn't promoted as a 20th anniversary show, Kev. That's what I'm saying.
It may not have been promoted as that, but they did still take pains to play a song (some of them rarities) from every album/era, so, in that sense, it feels like a celebration of the history of the band, especially on the DVD because of the corresponding The Score So Far documentary.
They did that at every stop on that tour. The only thing special about the RCMH show was the location, and the orchestra, and the fact that they worked up a complete performance of 6DOIT incorporating the orchestra. Otherwise, they kept to the exact format of the rest of the tour.
Ah - ok. I wasn't really familiar with what was happening on the rest of the tour.
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It was pretty much a 20th anniversary tour though hef. That doesn't exclude the lame setlist.
I know it was a 20th anniversary tour. And their celebration of their 20th anniversary was never to play everybody's favorite songs, but rather to play one song from each album, except for 5 songs from the current album (Octavarium) and then an encore. That was the format. For the whole tour. Every night.
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You're all forgetting that many of the songs on Score weren't on many of their previous live releases.
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You're all forgetting that many of the songs on Score weren't on many of their previous live releases.
I am not forgetting that. I just think Portnoy gets too hung up on that, and at the expense of the current set list. So what if some of those classics had been on previous DVDs? I mean, we needed half of "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence" on consecutive live DVDs, but playing "Take the Time" and "Learning to Live" at your 20th anniversary show would have been the end of the world? Really?
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You're all forgetting that many of the songs on Score weren't on many of their previous live releases.
I am not forgetting that. I just think Portnoy gets too hung up on that, and at the expense of the current set list. So what if some of those classics had been on previous DVDs? I mean, we needed half of "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence" on consecutive live DVDs, but playing "Take the Time" and "Learning to Live" at your 20th anniversary show would have been the end of the world? Really?
Watch Chaos In Motion or Live Scenes.
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That would be a valid comeback if either of those shows had been anniversary shows. ;)
Besides, "Take the Time" is dreadful on CIM.
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Besides, "Take the Time" is dreadful on CIM.
Not arguing there. But the performance of Under A Glass Moon was awesome on Score. And with the one song per album deal we wouldn't have gotten that.
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Except that they played two songs from I&W that night. :p
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One of the things that really pisses me off about Score was that a huge deal was made about the time limit at RCMH. Yet, with that in mind, they still decided to add in the 10 minute or whatever guitar/keyboard improv before TSCO and the 7 or so minute keyboard intro to Octavarium. Another song or two could have easily been thrown in to that time.
Of course they also could have not played 6DOIT. But that's just me.
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One of the things that really pisses me off about Score was that a huge deal was made about the time limit at RCMH. Yet, with that in mind, they still decided to add in the 10 minute or whatever guitar/keyboard improv before TSCO and the 7 or so minute keyboard intro to Octavarium. Another song or two could have easily been thrown in to that time.
Of course they also could have not played 6DOIT. But that's just me.
Well, they did pay $30,000 in fines for going over the limit. And I loved the improve before TSCO. I will not debate the intro to 8VM.
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Except that they played two songs from I&W that night. :p
You know damn well Metropolis had to be the encore.
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In retrospect, using the orchestra for just half the show was probably a mistake, especially given how off they reportedly were on a number of songs. They should have just scrapped the type of running order they were using for most of that tour and done a really special set list for that night. But what's done is done.
Except that they played two songs from I&W that night. :p
You know damn well Metropolis had to be the encore.
Why? Because it was such a special show? Oh, I agree. And considering how special the show was, do my other points now make more sense to you? :biggrin:
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One of the things that really pisses me off about Score was that a huge deal was made about the time limit at RCMH. Yet, with that in mind, they still decided to add in the 10 minute or whatever guitar/keyboard improv before TSCO and the 7 or so minute keyboard intro to Octavarium. Another song or two could have easily been thrown in to that time.
Of course they also could have not played 6DOIT. But that's just me.
Well, they did pay $30,000 in fines for going over the limit. And I loved the improve before TSCO. I will not debate the intro to 8VM.
They did really?
They could have pretty easily made it a two night event and made everyone happy. And I doubt it would have been more expensive.
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Why? Because it was such a special show? Oh, I agree. And considering how special the show was, do my other points now make more sense to you?
Yeah it was a special show. Thats why they played songs they rarely play like Innocence Faded, all of Six Degrees, Raise The Knife and The Answer Lies Within...
Speaking of The Answer Lies Within isn't that what this thread is about?
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6DOIT? Rarely played? They played it for like an entire tour.
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And considering how special the show was, do my other points now make more sense to you? :biggrin:
No. The set was great for the show.
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True. But with the orchestra. Even more special.
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Especially special.
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So I was listening to Forsaken and such, and I noticed a good amount of the time when DT try to restrain themselves, Petrucci and Ruddess remain somewhat tasteful, but Portnoy seems to go a bit overbored and become boring. Forsaken has to have the most boring drumming (and vocals) in any DT song. I think TALW suffers from this as well. Along with horrible lyrics.
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One of the things that really pisses me off about Score was that a huge deal was made about the time limit at RCMH. Yet, with that in mind, they still decided to add in the 10 minute or whatever guitar/keyboard improv before TSCO and the 7 or so minute keyboard intro to Octavarium. Another song or two could have easily been thrown in to that time.
Of course they also could have not played 6DOIT. But that's just me.
Well, they did pay $30,000 in fines for going over the limit. And I loved the improve before TSCO. I will not debate the intro to 8VM.
They did really?
They could have pretty easily made it a two night event and made everyone happy. And I doubt it would have been more expensive.
I'd imagine it's tough to book RCMH two nights in a row.
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This would possibly be Top 20 for me. As an overall song, it's my favourite off of 8VM. TROAE, Sacrificed Sons and 8VM have better moments, but all have glaringly weaker moments too, IMO.
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I love it. James sounds great and I actually really like the lyrics. It's nice to see DT writing something that's not dark and depressing. Their songs are usually so.... sad. LOL
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Nice for them to have one not-so-heavy track on the album as well. But after it, you've still got 60 minutes of DT heaviness! :metal
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I Walk Beside You =/= Heavy.
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I Walk Beside You =/= Heavy.
I was thinking the same thing. :lol
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Listening to Octavarium right now, and I'm up to this song. I've always liked The Answer Lies Within since 8vm came out. Today, it sounds even better for some reason. APPRECIATES!
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Yeah, it's good. Nice and simple.
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The amount of pure hatered towards TALW in this thread makes me sad it's far from being my favorite song overall or on Octavarium but it's a very good song and I'm glad it's on Score because it fits there perfectly with the orchestra and it's a very nice version of the song.
And yes I know there are also lots of positive opinions in the thread as well but the negative ones are really merciless this song doesn't deserve this treatment.
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I don't have issues with TALW, I in fact think it's a gorgeous little song. However, I concur with what was said eariler, that Portnoy's drumming on slow pieces became somewhat stale in his last DT records (as did his drumming in all the songs, where his fills and rhythmic figures became very predictable and cyclic). Good drumming can take a ballad (or slower pieces, if you may) to the next level, just ask Gavin Harrison.
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Its a nice, little relaxing song that I play now and then. But on tour I would rather have them play any of their other ballads, like Hollow Years, Wait for Sleep, Another Day, Surrounded, Innocence Faded, The Silent Man etc.
I would have put Take Away My Pain there instead, if that would have worked with the orchestra.
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I just love the main piano melody in this song. I wish they elaborated more on it as the song progressed.
Also, I love the little Octavarium nugget in it.
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I saw this thread and resolved to *try* to go through Octavarium :biggrin:
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When Octavarium first came out I thought it was fun to sing along with James (as long as you don't pay too much attention to the preachy lyrics) but honestly it's always been very difficult to detect the DT in this song. The instrumentation could easily be attributed to a lounge band from Vegas.
What really confuses me is having a lyric writer from Italian decent spraying out such racist epithets like, "Don't let, a Dago by in debt." Very disappointing JP.
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There's nothing wrong with this song. I only listen to it when listening to the album in full, but it's not bad by any means.
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When listening to Octavarium, I always find myself skipping TALW but then coming back to it after listening to the rest of the album. It's a nice, clam, breather piece I think.
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I first heard Dream Theater when a friend of mine showed me (and several other friends of ours) the live SFAM DVD. The first studio album I heard of DT's was SFAM. However, this happened in late 2004, and by the time I came around to buying a DT album (I was going through a sort of grunge/90s 'punk' rock phase before this), Octavarium had just come out, so I bought it. It went on to become my album of the summer for 2005 (I have one every year, never by design). My friends and I played it all the time.
I didn't originally like The Answer Lies Within all that much. At the time, I preferred songs that were technical, heavy, or both. I also felt it cost the album some momentum.
However, as time went on, I began to appreciate it more and more. I began to like it. At one point, a girl I was dating at the time put it on when she wanted to create a certain slow-dance type mood.
Also, my brother once entered a province-wide singing competition (he should have won (I'm certainly not biased) but didn't), and one of the other contestants who I don't know at all chose The Answer Lies Within as his song to perform. The crowd loved it.
So at this point, I definitely like it.
Edit: Heh, didn't realize how old this thread was, though it doesn't change the above.
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I think it's one of their best songs when you're in a mellow mood. Most of their other songs, even songs like Take Away My Pain and To Live Forever, go into really epic guitar solos.
The interesting thing about DT's ballads is that their pacing wouldn't allow for slow dancing at all. Not even songs like Though Her Eyes. At full beat it's too fast, but at half-beat it's too slow.
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Easily one of if not the best DT 'ballad' they have ever recorded imo.
Always loved it, always will.
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What really confuses me is having a lyric writer from Italian decent spraying out such racist epithets like, "Don't let, a Dago by in debt." Very disappointing JP.
That's silly. It's a song about The Empire Strikes Back: "Don't let, uh, Dagobah"
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There's nothing wrong with this song.
Nothing right with it, either.
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There's nothing wrong with this song.
Nothing right with it, either.
You have a strange, unnecessary hatred for this song.
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You're gonna SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNEEEEEEEE
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TALW is horrid.
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You're gonna SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNEEEEEEEE
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My opinion on this song still hasn't changed - it's not a bad song, but fails to evoke any emotions in me and is just meh overall. It's also a very anticlimactic follow-up to TROAE in the album tracklisting.
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There's nothing wrong with this song.
Nothing right with it, either.
You have a strange, unnecessary hatred for this song.
I don't hate it. It's not worthy of hate.
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There's nothing wrong with this song.
Nothing right with it, either.
You have a strange, unnecessary hatred for this song.
I don't hate it. It's not worthy of hate.
Oh ok, then the song isn't nearly as bad as you led us to believe. Thanks for clearing that up. :hefdaddy :biggrin:
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Well, it's not bad. It's, like, irrelevant.
Raw Dog is bad, but at least it's on my radar as something that is noticeably awful. TALW is just, kind of, there. It's not awful, but there is certainly nothing good about it, either. It's the only DT song like that I can think of.
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I can always find at least one good thing about every DT song. No matter how small or how much I dislike the song as a whole. I've heard worse DT songs than TALW and still found something good. But hey, to each his own.
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Meh, it's ok.
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TALW is just, kind of, there. It's not awful, but there is certainly nothing good about it, either. It's the only DT song like that I can think of.
For me, that kind of describes These Walls and Sacrificed Sons, as well. When I listen to any of those, they sound nice enough, and there is nothing in any of them that repulses me, but they are all just kind of there.
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I think These Walls is awesome, but had a few bits that made me go, "What? That's it? I wanna hear more of that!" Basically, it had more potential than it achieved.
Sacrificed Sons is musically amazing. I just wish it wasn't about 9/11.
The Answer Lies Within is just uplifting. It's a great, relaxing little ballad, but unlike Take Away My Pain or Disappear, it's not depressing. Yeah, I guess Hollow Years is better, but basically, I'd say Hollow Years is to guitar what The Answer Lies Within is to piano.
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Sacrificed Sons is musically amazing. I just wish it wasn't about 9/11.
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Sacrificed Sons is musically amazing. I just wish it wasn't about 9/11.
Honestly, from now on, I'll probably find myself listening to the symphonic version by STOD a lot more often than the actual DT version.
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I think These Walls is awesome
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I'd say Hollow Years is to guitar what The Answer Lies Within is to piano.
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TALW is just, kind of, there. It's not awful, but there is certainly nothing good about it, either. It's the only DT song like that I can think of.
For me, that kind of describes These Walls and Sacrificed Sons, as well. When I listen to any of those, they sound nice enough, and there is nothing in any of them that repulses me, but they are all just kind of there.
I don't get that vibe from either of those two songs. There's a lot going on in both of them. They aren't bland fluff like TALW.
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Your face is bland fluff.
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I quite like TALW, but I think it would have benefited from being a bit later in the cd, I think track number 2 is too soon.
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I quite like TALW, but I think it would have benefited from being a bit later in the cd, I think track number 2 is too soon.
Okay, yeah, I'll have to agree with that. I first heard it on the Greatest Hit CD, and being near last, it worked really well.
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I quite like TALW, but I think it would have benefited from being a bit later in the cd, I think track number 2 is too soon.
It's the biggest buzzkill ever. TROAE ends with that amazing Medicate melody and it made me all googly-eyed during my first listen of 8VM, and then TALW rolled in and by the time it finished I was almost asleep.
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What if they had done something like:
1. TROAE
2. These Walls
3. AWBY
4. The Answer Lies Within
5. Panic Attack
6. Never Enough
7. SS
8. 8V
With TALW functioning as a pause between the two "hemispheres" of the album?
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TALW is a fine little ballad. I quite like it.
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3. AWBY
Arsonists Won't Burn You
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What if they had done something like:
1. TROAE
2. These Walls
3. AWBY
4. The Answer Lies Within
5. Panic Attack
6. Never Enough
7. SS
8. 8V
With TALW functioning as a pause between the two "hemispheres" of the album?
Yeah, that would be better. It would ruin the octave concept thing, but of course they could've changed the keys of the songs to keep it. Actually, there's a version of These Walls transposed to G minor on YT - it would sound crushing on the album that way! :metal
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Sacrificed Sons is musically amazing. I just wish it wasn't about 9/11.
Exactly.
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It's just not DT. It's DT trying to sound like something other than themselves.
I don't know what you mean by this. It's just a simple, straightforward ballad. DT have been doing that since the beginning (Another Day).
I agree. I think it's not different from other songs of DT. But most of all, I think, because DT always try something, sound which is somewhat different from their prior sound can't be a standard of favor. Don't you agree that new try in every album is the one of most attractive points of DT?
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It's just not DT. It's DT trying to sound like something other than themselves.
I don't know what you mean by this. It's just a simple, straightforward ballad. DT have been doing that since the beginning (Another Day).
I agree. I think it's not different from other songs of DT. But most of all, I think, because DT always try something, sound which is somewhat different from their prior sound can't be a standard of favor. Don't you agree that new try in every album is the one of most attractive points of DT?
True. DT has always incorporated different sounds and styles apart from their own. That's one of the many reasons we love DT. :biggrin:
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True. DT has always incorporated different sounds and styles apart from their own. That's one of the many reasons we love DT. :biggrin:
Not just that, but album to album there's always something different, without deviating from what fans truly love about them. DT really knows that balance, I find.
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It doesn't really do much for me anymore, but being an overly-introspective 15 year old when I first got the album and got into them, it used to appeal a lot more haha. Still has that nostalgia factor, but that's just because of my personal experience with it. I imagine I'd hate it if I already had expectations on what Dream Theater should and shouldn't sound like. The whole album's really great for someone just discovering the band.