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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: Volk9 on June 13, 2010, 10:30:26 PM
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Don't know if this picture/story was old, but still awesome nonetheless!
(https://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk307/sonata216/kenatopeth.jpg)
"...‘Opeth’ played for 3 hours & my head was spinning afterwards. They were perfect. In a side note, I saw Jazz & sappy saxophonist, ‘Kenny G’ at the show. I never really cared for his music, but after seeing him at an ‘Opeth’ show…I still probably won’t be listening to his music. However, I don’t think him such a ‘dickweed’ any longer."
Link: https://www.concretedisciples.com/cd_what/page2.php?article=1083
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He probably has an appriciation for the technical side of their music, although he might be a headbanger deep down. Lots of hard rock/metal musicians start out playing in a marching band, or classical piano.
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Nice. :lol
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Yep, at I was that show and met him in the pit. ehs a cool guy, he plays saxophone and doesn't afraid of anything.
also, another pic I found from that:
(https://farm3.static.flickr.com/2173/4507695753_c63ccc05a1.jpg)
I'm the guy in the upper left in glasses staring back at the camera creepily.
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Yep, at I was that show and met him in the pit. ehs a cool guy, he plays saxophone and doesn't afraid of anything.
also, another pic I found from that:
[img]https://farm3.static.flickr.com/2173/4507695753_c63ccc05a1.jpg[/img
I'm the guy in the upper left in glasses staring back at the camera creepily.
:lol
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and doesn't afraid of anything
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Kenny G has always been cool in my book. Plays a hell of a saxophone. It's not really surprising a saxophone player liking a more technical style of music. Sax players have great phrasing and impro skills. I've often picked up small licks from many different saxophone players that I like to try and emulate and include in my guitar lick library.
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Saxophones are fucking awesome.
But I've never heard Kenny G.
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But I've never heard Kenny G.
Oh wow. He's probably the most famous saxophone player, or he's at least up there.
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I don't know why people trash on Kenny G. He's an excellent player, and his music is incredibly soothing.
Awesome to hear he's an Opeth fan though! :D
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and doesn't afraid of anything
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Dude I'm pretty sure that's Marty Friedman.
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I'm still quite amazed at this.
But I've never heard Kenny G.
Oh wow. He's probably the most famous living saxophone player, or he's at least up there.
Fixed so you don't get mauled by Coltrane or Bird fans (like myself :D)
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Saxophones are fucking awesome.
But I've never heard Kenny G.
First line: :tup
Second line: FAIL!
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Dude I'm pretty sure that's Marty Friedman.
Look at the guy in the pictures on this website:
https://www.martyfriedman.com/
That doesn't look anything like the guy in the OP, except for the long, curly hair.
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I'm still quite amazed at this.
But I've never heard Kenny G.
Oh wow. He's probably the most famous living saxophone player, or he's at least up there.
Fixed so you don't get mauled by Coltrane or Bird fans (like myself :D)
I appreciate it.
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and doesn't afraid of anything
So 5/8 yet so necessary and funny :lol
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I don't know why people trash on Kenny G. He's an excellent player, and his music is incredibly soothing.
Awesome to hear he's an Opeth fan though! :D
Despite whatever level of notoriety he may have had prior to 1992 what really earned him household-name status was his cameo in Missing You Now (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVogkAs42ho) by Michael Bolton. That placed an unfortunate stigma on him that has remained at least a little bit to this very day not so much that people remember his Bolton ties but moreso that people realize it's commonly accepted/expected to bag on him even if most have forgotten why and what started that was the Bolton collaboration.
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I remember seeing him walking around and people hanging on him like he was a god...had no idea who he was. when sigz told me I was :huh:
pretty cool
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OMG! They saw Kenny!
You bastards!
On a side-note, I smell a guest appearance on the next Opeth album...
-Marc.
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a guest appearance would be...actually, I am not sure what that would be
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A soprano sax worked for DT, why not Opeth?
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I think the sax would work, I was just thinking of the difference in genre backgrounds
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Awesome...but:
On a side-note, I smell a guest appearance on the next Opeth album...
:|
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Naw. It'll be on the Wilson Akerfeldt project
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PAWK = Portnoy, Akerfeldt, Wilson, Kenny
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PAWK = Portnoy, Akerfeldt, Wilson, Kenny
They'd definitely have some chops. Maybe they'd even cover Pigs.
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On a side-note, I smell a guest appearance on the next Opeth album...
That would be awesome, in my opinion. The addition of a saxophone would have added a new dimension to the Damnation album, and if Opeth can pull off a wacky, BTBAM-esque keyboard section like they did in The Lotus Eater I think the inclusion of a small sax section would play out just fine.
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On a side-note, I smell a guest appearance on the next Opeth album...
:lol Yes, because clearly if one musician attends another musician's concert, it must mean a guest spot is inevitable.
Anyhow, it would have been pretty interesting to be there. I wonder if Akerfeldt was like, "ROROROROROR--oh, wow. Hey. Hey, guys. Hold on just a minute. Is that--? Whoa, that's Kenny G down there in the pit. This is kinda surreal. And he has better hair than I do. Um...hey, what song were we doing again?"
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No offense to Akerfeldt, and I'm a huge fan, but just about everybody has better hair than him :lol
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:dunno: So all these Opeth threads recently made me YouTube an Opeth song just now. And this is really weird, but...well, this doesn't suck nearly as much as I recall them sucking. In fact, I almost kinda like it. I think something must be wrong with me.
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:metal What song was it?
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When, followed by Ghost of Perdition, followed by (currently playing) Under the Weeping Moon. All are apparently from something called the Roundhouse Tapes.
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Yeah, it's their most recent live album. Fantastic stuff for the most part.
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Those are all great songs.
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Ther aforementioned lack of suck is really confusing me. I keep listening to more and more songs, going "okay, I know you guys suck. Hurry up and prove it." And then they don't, so I have to listen to another song. And then another one... WHATINTHEWORLDISGOINGONEVERYTHINGIKNOWISWRONG!!
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A lot of people do this with Opeth. They'll hate everything that isn't Damnation and then slowly they'll find themselves liking everything else.
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Damnation was my first exposure to them years ago. My ears made me promise never to subject them to anything that horrible again. And--wait, hold on. Bleak just ended, but it rocked my face so hard I'm going to restart it. BRB
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Wait...not only are you listening to an Opeth song again willingly, you're listening to the one with Steven Wilson as a prominent guest vocalist? Are you feeling okay Bosk? I'm sure your body must be taking the draining of fail from your body something awful.
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But...but...RORORORORO! :(
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I believe you mean:
RORORORORORORORORORORO :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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Ther aforementioned lack of suck is really confusing me. I keep listening to more and more songs, going "okay, I know you guys suck. Hurry up and prove it." And then they don't, so I have to listen to another song. And then another one... WHATINTHEWORLDISGOINGONEVERYTHINGIKNOWISWRONG!!
:lol I thought you were talking about Kenny G
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Ther aforementioned lack of suck is really confusing me. I keep listening to more and more songs, going "okay, I know you guys suck. Hurry up and prove it." And then they don't, so I have to listen to another song. And then another one... WHATINTHEWORLDISGOINGONEVERYTHINGIassumedISWRONG!!
fix'd
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I don't like you.
EDIT: Okay, this is really frustrating. I was listening to Face of Melinda, and it all came back. I was like, "Yes! Now this is the Opeth I fondly remember. This SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKS!!! I feel a fit of vomit coming on any moment now!" And then out of nowhere, it just started to rock. :(
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Bosk likes death metal ;D
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Well, duh! I bought a double bass pedal, remember? See, now you're just being silly.
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:lol Glad to see you're enjoying them. I'll give it a few months until the full-on fanboyism takes hold.
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Yeah. At first I hated Opeth, but as I listened to them more I was a casual fan of them for a long time. I had Blackwater Park and Ghost Reveries, which I enjoyed but didn't love, Damnation, which I didn't like at all, and Watershed, which was... okay, I guess. I thought they were good, but didn't see what was so amazingly special about them (kind of like I feel about Porcupine Tree).
And then I listened to Still Life.
:metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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First song was Godhead's Lament. I wasn't a big fan of the growls, but I was hooked from the riff.
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Hey Bosk, if you like Opeth, you should check out KrotchRaut. They have a similar sound.
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:lol
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I don't like you.
EDIT: Okay, this is really frustrating. I was listening to Face of Melinda, and it all came back. I was like, "Yes! Now this is the Opeth I fondly remember. This SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKS!!! I feel a fit of vomit coming on any moment now!" And then out of nowhere, it just started to rock. :(
Hell yeah!! :metal :metal
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I didn't know it was possible not to like Opeth ballads...
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Hey Bosk, if you like Opeth, you should check out KrotchRaut. They have a similar sound.
Yeah, do this, bosky.
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ONE OF US! ONE OF US! ONE OF US!
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Since this became a second Opeth thread do we want to just lock it and move it over to the Opeth thread?
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Hey, did you know Kenny G likes Opeth? ITT, we discuss Kenny G. :metal
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He needs to bring his Sax next time so Opeth can bring him up on stage and jam.
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Sax solo during the keyboard break in The Lotus Eater :metal
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Like his music or not, dude has some serious chops and can rip it up on a lot of different instruments. In all seriousness, if he got up and jammed with Opeth, I honestly believe it would be amazing.
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That Pat Metheny article about him really soiled my opinion of the guy, but I still think a jam would be hilariously amazing.
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Extended sax solo during The Face of Melinda.
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That Pat Metheny article about him really soiled my opinion of the guy, but I still think a jam would be hilariously amazing.
??? Link?
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That Pat Metheny article about him really soiled my opinion of the guy, but I still think a jam would be hilariously amazing.
??? Link?
I just read it again. I can't say I have anywhere near hostile an attitude toward him as PM does, but I understand where he's coming from.
https://www.jazzoasis.com/methenyonkennyg.htm
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Oh man the first part of that is jazz snobbery at it's finest.
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That Pat Metheny article about him really soiled my opinion of the guy, but I still think a jam would be hilariously amazing.
??? Link?
I just read it again. I can't say I have anywhere near hostile an attitude toward him as PM does, but I understand where he's coming from.
https://www.jazzoasis.com/methenyonkennyg.htm
I can understand where he's coming from as well, but he really makes himself sound like a whiny bitch in that response.
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That Pat Metheny article about him really soiled my opinion of the guy, but I still think a jam would be hilariously amazing.
??? Link?
I just read it again. I can't say I have anywhere near hostile an attitude toward him as PM does, but I understand where he's coming from.
https://www.jazzoasis.com/methenyonkennyg.htm
I can understand where he's coming from as well, but he really makes himself sound like a whiny bitch in that response.
Regardless of whatever Kenny G did or didn't do for the world of jazz after reading that Matheny article I can safely say ol' Pat went from being some guy I'd heard about numerous times whom I had eventually planned on checking out to now being someone I'll never bother wasting my time on. I can't believe how much of a twat he managed to come across as.
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The Kenny G love in this thread is making me nauseous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGtTblTR0YU
Really??
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That Pat Metheny article about him really soiled my opinion of the guy, but I still think a jam would be hilariously amazing.
??? Link?
I just read it again. I can't say I have anywhere near hostile an attitude toward him as PM does, but I understand where he's coming from.
https://www.jazzoasis.com/methenyonkennyg.htm
I can understand where he's coming from as well, but he really makes himself sound like a whiny bitch in that response.
Regardless of whatever Kenny G did or didn't do for the world of jazz after reading that Matheny article I can safely say ol' Pat went from being some guy I'd heard about numerous times whom I had eventually planned on checking out to now being someone I'll never bother wasting my time on. I can't believe how much of a twat he managed to come across as.
Oh, I hadn't been aware of that. So I misunderstood antigoon's post. I thought you were saying Matheny soiled your opinion of Kenny G.
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All I can say is that it's good Pat Metheny isn't a rapper; sampling would be his worst nightmare!
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That Pat Metheny article about him really soiled my opinion of the guy, but I still think a jam would be hilariously amazing.
??? Link?
I just read it again. I can't say I have anywhere near hostile an attitude toward him as PM does, but I understand where he's coming from.
https://www.jazzoasis.com/methenyonkennyg.htm
Gee, Pat, how do you really feel?
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This is the first I've ever heard of Kenny G.
He looks a bit like the singer from C&C, only he's a bit older and he's dieted.
That is all.
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That Metheny article is amazing.
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If by "amazing" you mean "incredibly juvenile and self-indulgent," I agree completely.
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Regardless of whatever Kenny G did or didn't do for the world of jazz after reading that Matheny article I can safely say ol' Pat went from being some guy I'd heard about numerous times whom I had eventually planned on checking out to now being someone I'll never bother wasting my time on. I can't believe how much of a twat he managed to come across as.
Never let a person's character dissuade you from checking out their art. MJ probably molested kids, Axl is a world class dickhead, Ozzy tried to strangle his wife, but I enjoy the music of MJ, GnR, and Sabbath. Metheny is a great guitarist, and he overreacted a little bit about Kenny G's stunt in that article (though I can understand where he's coming from), but don't let that keep you from enjoying his music.
On topic: Kenny G sucks, but its kinda cool that he's an Opeth fan.
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The Kenny G love in this thread is making me nauseous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGtTblTR0YU
Really??
Reminded me of Bob Odenkirk playing the role of Sax Man on Tom Goes to the Mayor.
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Regardless of whatever Kenny G did or didn't do for the world of jazz after reading that Matheny article I can safely say ol' Pat went from being some guy I'd heard about numerous times whom I had eventually planned on checking out to now being someone I'll never bother wasting my time on. I can't believe how much of a twat he managed to come across as.
Never let a person's character dissuade you from checking out their art. MJ probably molested kids, Axl is a world class dickhead, Ozzy tried to strangle his wife, but I enjoy the music of MJ, GnR, and Sabbath. Metheny is a great guitarist, and he overreacted a little bit about Kenny G's stunt in that article (though I can understand where he's coming from), but don't let that keep you from enjoying his music.
On topic: Kenny G sucks, but its kinda cool that he's an Opeth fan.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on that one since I've always been pissed at people who ignorantly shit on Metallica's 80s catalog just cuz they think it'll make them as "cool" as the other pea-brained poseurs who are "no longer a fan" of a band they probably never listened to in the first place beyond a few radio hits.
Now for some light-hearted semantic merriment:
MJ was never proven to have done a single thing.
G 'n' R only had one good album plus an additional album's worth of very good material spread across two albums (UYI I&II)
Tell me with a straight, unwavering face that the thought of strangling Sharon has never crossed your mind.
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Never let a person's character dissuade you from checking out their art.
Damn straight. Like I have said before, if I had to get rid of CDs because I didn't like someone in the band for whatever reason, I would have to get rid of a lot of CDs, including all by Floyd (except the last two studio albums) and DT, two of my six favorite all-time bands.
Tell me with a straight, unwavering face that the thought of strangling Sharon has never crossed your mind.
Yes, Sharon Osbourne is a miserable human being, but her existence doesn't make Ozzy's four or five good solo albums less good, for example.
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Never let a person's character dissuade you from checking out their art.
Damn straight. Like I have said before, if I had to get rid of CDs because I didn't like someone in the band for whatever reason, I would have to get rid of a lot of CDs, including all by Floyd (except the last two studio albums) and DT.
Tell me with a straight, unwavering face that the thought of strangling Sharon has never crossed your mind.
Yes, Sharon Osbourne is a miserable human being, but her existence doesn't make Ozzy's four or five good solo albums less good.
No brah, I already enjoy Ozzy. I was just playfully poking holes in skydivingninja's reasoning.
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Oh, I know. I just wanted to call Sharon a miserable human being. :biggrin: :lol
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G 'n' R only had one good album plus an additional album's worth of very good material spread across two albums, two EPs, and the Terminator II soundtrack
Fixed.
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G 'n' R only had one good album plus an additional album's worth of very good material spread across two albums, two EPs, and the Terminator II soundtrack
Fixed.
I ain't losin' this debate. I'm going do some research then I'll be back!
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I'm not contradicting you--just strengthening your argument.
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I'm not contradicting you--just strengthening your argument.
You silly billy I was just taking the opportunity to make an italicized TII pun :lol :P
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Never let a person's character dissuade you from checking out their art. MJ probably molested kids, Axl is a world class dickhead, Ozzy tried to strangle his wife, but I enjoy the music of MJ, GnR, and Sabbath.
Tell me with a straight, unwavering face that the thought of strangling Sharon has never crossed your mind.
I don't care much for Ozzy or Sabbath, but I believe thinking about Sharon being strangled would make me enjoy the music more. Stupid cunt.
But I agree with skydivingninja. In my opinion, twisted individuals often make the best art.
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Kev also brings up a very good point about Floyd and Roger Waters.
And yeah, I hate Sharon Osbourne too, but I just used that example to sort of encompass all of Ozzy's erratic and/or dicklike behavior.
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I'm not contradicting you--just strengthening your argument.
You silly billy I was just taking the opportunity to make an italicized TII pun :lol :P
Yes, but your transition was awkward.
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I'm not contradicting you--just strengthening your argument.
You silly billy I was just taking the opportunity to make an italicized TII pun :lol :P
Yes, but your transition was awkward.
Is this just semantics or rather just some antics?
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Yes
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That Pat Metheny article about him really soiled my opinion of the guy, but I still think a jam would be hilariously amazing.
??? Link?
I just read it again. I can't say I have anywhere near hostile an attitude toward him as PM does, but I understand where he's coming from.
https://www.jazzoasis.com/methenyonkennyg.htm
"to defile the music of the man who is probably the greatest jazz musician that has ever lived by spewing his lame-ass, jive, pseudo bluesy, out-of-tune, noodling, wimped out, fucked up playing"
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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I would have to get rid of a lot of CDs, including DT
Who from DT do you dislike, if I might ask? Not trying to start anything here, just wondering.
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I would have to get rid of a lot of CDs, including DT
Who from DT do you dislike, if I might ask? Not trying to start anything here, just wondering.
The drummer.
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:lol :tup
If by "amazing" you mean "incredibly juvenile and self-indulgent," I agree completely.
I don't see all of that. He makes some very, very good points. There's only a small part of it that might be considered juvenile or whatever (but I thought that was pretty funny). I'm really confused about why some of you guys think this article is so terrible.
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The entire thing reeked of snobbery:
his harmonic and melodic vocabulary was extremely limited, mostly to pentatonic based and blues-lick derived patterns
I don't care if something is just derived from blues scales, or isn't as complex as other jazz sax players, if it sounds good, that should really be all that matters.
*I'm not saying I like Kenny G, cause frankly I'm not familiar with his stuff at all, just that that isn't a valid criticism, even on a prog board
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(https://stuff.pyzam.com/funnypics/a/kennyg.jpg)
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I'm really confused about why some of you guys think this article is so terrible.
I think Sigz pretty much summed it up. But, yeah, he's very rudely going off on another musician solely because he subjectively believes that other musician's skills aren't up to par to be considered "troo jazz" and because he subjectively believes it is somehow taboo to overdub somebody he considers "important." And he can't even for a moment conceive of any alternative but that the latter must somehow be an atrocity of such magnitude that everybody who isn't a halfwit is compelled to agree with him. So, yeah, I found almost the entire article to be rude, puerile, condescending, and just plain stupid.
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I'm really confused about why some of you guys think this article is so terrible.
I think Sigz pretty much summed it up. But, yeah, he's very rudely going off on another musician solely because he subjectively believes that other musician's skills aren't up to par to be considered "troo jazz" and because he subjectively believes it is somehow taboo to overdub somebody he considers "important." And he can't even for a moment conceive of any alternative but that the latter must somehow be an atrocity of such magnitude that everybody who isn't a halfwit is compelled to agree with him. So, yeah, I found almost the entire article to be rude, puerile, condescending, and just plain stupid.
Very fuckin well-stated. He generalized and ranted to the point that it felt as if I was reading a pedantic post from some random crappy messsage board.
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I'm really confused about why some of you guys think this article is so terrible.
I think Sigz pretty much summed it up. But, yeah, he's very rudely going off on another musician solely because he subjectively believes that other musician's skills aren't up to par to be considered "troo jazz" and because he subjectively believes it is somehow taboo to overdub somebody he considers "important." And he can't even for a moment conceive of any alternative but that the latter must somehow be an atrocity of such magnitude that everybody who isn't a halfwit is compelled to agree with him. So, yeah, I found almost the entire article to be rude, puerile, condescending, and just plain stupid.
Very fuckin well-stated. He generalized and ranted to the point that it felt as if I was reading a pedantic post from some random crappy messsage board.
:neverusethis:
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:lol
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I'm really confused about why some of you guys think this article is so terrible.
I think Sigz pretty much summed it up. But, yeah, he's very rudely going off on another musician solely because he subjectively believes that other musician's skills aren't up to par to be considered "troo jazz" and because he subjectively believes it is somehow taboo to overdub somebody he considers "important." And he can't even for a moment conceive of any alternative but that the latter must somehow be an atrocity of such magnitude that everybody who isn't a halfwit is compelled to agree with him. So, yeah, I found almost the entire article to be rude, puerile, condescending, and just plain stupid.
Very fuckin well-stated. He generalized and ranted to the point that it felt as if I was reading a pedantic post from some random crappy messsage board.
:neverusethis:
What's with the tard? Did you think I was calling bosk's post pedantic or did you assume this was a subtle jab at dtf or forums in general?
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I must say, I find your meatloaf rather shallow and pedantic.
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I must say, I find your meatloaf rather shallow and pedantic.
See augmented "Subject" line. (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=14088.msg479162#msg479162)
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Hence my post :lol
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Hence my post :lol
o/ I have another highfive waiting for you by another of your posts...can you get there before emindead?
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*\o
*hunts through BF's last posts*
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*hunts through BF's last posts*
Mmmmmm...huntin' for "bf"
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Do any of you guys listen to jazz other than "smooth" jazz? Because I think that might make a difference in one's opinion on this article.
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Does it make a difference? They guy sounds like a douche either way.
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Do any of you guys listen to jazz other than "smooth" jazz? Because I think that might make a difference in one's opinion on this article.
I do, and I actually really like Pet Metheny's stuff as well. I just thought his rant was unprofessional and unnecessary.
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Do any of you guys listen to jazz other than "smooth" jazz? Because I think that might make a difference in one's opinion on this article.
Does it make a difference? They guy sounds like a douche either way.
I agree with glau on this one. I have no problem with Matheny's view on the matter but just his immature "teen angst" facade through which he delivered his point. There's a relatively wide range of wording options that would place him safely away from both vitriolic pest and sugar-coating wimp by delivering his dislike in a frank yet mature manner.
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Kenny G is justifiably hated. He is to jazz as Kraft Singles is to cheese. Pat Matheny, on the other hand, is among the greatest modern jazz musicians. Check out The Way Up and if you don't prefer it to Kenny G, you officially have horrible taste and should be banned from this forum
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I'm not debating that. All I'm saying is that he still comes off as a major douche.
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Kenny G is justifiably hated. He is to jazz as Kraft Singles is to cheese. Pat Matheny, on the other hand, is among the greatest modern jazz musicians.
So brie or roquefort or cheddar are justified for being prickish if they so desire?
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Kenny G is justifiably hated. He is to jazz as Kraft Singles is to cheese. Pat Matheny, on the other hand, is among the greatest modern jazz musicians.
So brie or roquefort or cheddar are justified for being prickish if they so desire?
I don't care what cheddar says. I just enjoy its taste. I also don't care if a Kraft Single shows up at a concert of a band I like; it still tastes horrible.
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Kenny G is justifiably hated. He is to jazz as Kraft Singles is to cheese. Pat Matheny, on the other hand, is among the greatest modern jazz musicians.
So brie or roquefort or cheddar are justified for being prickish if they so desire?
I don't care what cheddar says. I just enjoy its taste. I also don't care if a Kraft Single shows up at a concert of a band I like; it still tastes horrible.
Buuuut, what if you saw cheezinator at a concert?
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Kenny G is justifiably hated. He is to jazz as Kraft Singles is to cheese. Pat Matheny, on the other hand, is among the greatest modern jazz musicians.
So brie or roquefort or cheddar are justified for being prickish if they so desire?
I don't care what cheddar says. I just enjoy its taste. I also don't care if a Kraft Single shows up at a concert of a band I like; it still tastes horrible.
Buuuut, what if you saw cheezinator at a concert?
I'd guard my butthole closely.
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Kenny G is justifiably hated. He is to jazz as Kraft Singles is to cheese. Pat Matheny, on the other hand, is among the greatest modern jazz musicians.
So brie or roquefort or cheddar are justified for being prickish if they so desire?
I don't care what cheddar says. I just enjoy its taste. I also don't care if a Kraft Single shows up at a concert of a band I like; it still tastes horrible.
Buuuut, what if you saw cheezinator at a concert?
I'd guard my butthole closely.
:clap: :) :metal
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That PM article is spot on. I'm gonna come off sounding snobbish for my first post but Kenny G is such an embarrassment to jazz and music as an art form that if the greatest jazz guitarist since Wes Montgomery wants to point out what every other respectable jazz musician would rather say with profanity I have no problem with it. Oh, and Metheny is more or less one of the classiest musicians out there.
This forum hates on perfectly good pop music a lot more venomously than the PM article hates on Kenny G.
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I don't really care whether PM likes Kenny G or not, but hating on someone for the reasons that he did is not valid as a criticism and it certainly isn't classy. It just makes you look like a pretentious dick.
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"Waaaaah! Kenny G is a crap musician but is way more successful than me."
Welcome to the music industry.
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Kenny G is justifiably hated. He is to jazz as Kraft Singles is to cheese.
I like Kraft Singles :-[
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Kenny G is justifiably hated. He is to jazz as Kraft Singles is to cheese.
I like Kraft Singles :-[
In the world of pseudocheese Velveeta stomps it though.
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How can you hate the guy responsible for this song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHFWqk08tNY&feature=related
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I'm completely serious.
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How can you hate the guy responsible for this song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHFWqk08tNY&feature=related
:heart
I'm completely serious.
Fuck! When did you Brule-ize your avatar?!? 67 mega-awesome points to you chief :hefdaddy
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I don't really care whether PM likes Kenny G or not, but hating on someone for the reasons that he did is not valid as a criticism and it certainly isn't classy. It just makes you look like a pretentious dick.
Wait, what?? I can understand why people might think the way he presented his argument was immature or whatever, but he gives perfectly good reasons for hating the guy's shitty music.
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I don't consider 'he uses certain scales a lot' or 'he once recorded over another famous song' to be a reason to say he sucks, and it certainly doesn't justify calling for a boycot of his music.
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Well, that's a matter of opinion. I'm sure he was not close to the only person offended by that whole thing.
But I boycott his music because it makes my ears bleed :P
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Well of course it's an opinion, but to me neither one of those things are indicative of being a bad musician. I mean, recording over a 'sacred' song may offend a lot people, but it has nothing to do with musicianship.
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Yeah, that article just makes PM seem like a total jackass... just the way he presented his opinion was very unprofessional.
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I'm actually kinda with btc on this one.
The guy could have used a lot more tact, but isn't it plausible that an extremely gifted jazz musician, who probably has a fairly high standard of how he envisages jazz should be handled due to his own work in, dedication to and love of the genre, would criticise Kenny G's music for reasons to do with music theory and protecting the work of the pioneers?
If that argument was coming from any old jazz enthusiast hack, I'd be more inclined to write it off as pretentious snobbery, but if it's conceivable that anyone could hold an opinion like that and be half justified in doing so, he would certainly be in that group.
And I'm not even saying I agree with PM. Hell, I've never even heard Kenny G's music.
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Protecting the work of the pioneers has nothing to do with Kenny's own music though.
And I still don't see music theory as a valid criticism. I doubt he would criticize a minimalist composer for being too simplistic, or a blues guitarist for using lots of pentatonic scales, but it's ok to criticize a jazz musician on those grounds just because it's 'jazz'?
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For all we know, he enjoys the music of minimalist composers and blues guitarists.
Look, everyone has their own taste, and everyone's taste is going to be determined by different factors. Some people can't listen to a song made entirely electronically. Some people can't stomach a verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus rock song. Some people have no interest in hearing music which focuses on the musicians/solos instead of lyrics and singers. We all like to hear different things, and don't like to hear different things.
I can't see why it isn't understandable that a fairly accomplished musician's taste could be determined by things he does and doesn't like to hear in the realm of theory.
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For all we know, he enjoys the music of minimalist composers and blues guitarists.
That's exactly my point. Why is it ok for them to be simplistic or use the same scales, but not ok for Kenny G?
What scale you're playing has little to do with whether a song or solo is actually good. Take the solo in Trains - the studio version's solo is great, John Wesley's live solo sucks ass. They're both in the same key and use the same scales, but one is great and one detracts from the song. Metheny's statement seems to be implying that he judges music (or at least jazz) based solely on music theory rather than whether or not it sounds good. That's my issue with it (besides the general snobbery that permeates the entire thing).
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For all we know, he enjoys the music of minimalist composers and blues guitarists.
Look, everyone has their own taste, and everyone's taste is going to be determined by different factors. Some people can't listen to a song made entirely electronically. Some people can't stomach a verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus rock song. Some people have no interest in hearing music which focuses on the musicians/solos instead of lyrics and singers. We all like to hear different things, and don't like to hear different things.
I can't see why it isn't understandable that a fairly accomplished musician's taste could be determined by things he does and doesn't like to hear in the realm of theory.
I don't find anything wrong with him having an opinion based on that but he seems to go beyond expressing it as opinion and imply it to be fact. Variances in people's tastes is no reason to simply bash someone especially when you've already made it painfully clear you have an agenda as is the case with Metheny's stance on the Satchmo issue.
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For all we know, he enjoys the music of minimalist composers and blues guitarists.
That's exactly my point. Why is it ok for them to be simplistic or use the same scales, but not ok for Kenny G?
What scale you're playing has little to do with whether a song or solo is actually good. Take the solo in Trains - the studio version's solo is great, John Wesley's live solo sucks ass. They're both in the same key and use the same scales, but one is great and one detracts from the song. Metheny's statement seems to be implying that he judges music (or at least jazz) based solely on music theory rather than whether or not it sounds good. That's my issue with it (besides the general snobbery that permeates the entire thing).
Okay, the first thing I'm going to say is I don't play an instrument, and know jackshit about music theory myself. So this entire discussion is looking at things I only very vaguely understand.
But looking back at the article, the way I read it, I don't think he has a problem with pentatonic scales fullstop. He isn't slamming Kenny G for using them at all, he's slamming him for being almost entirely limited in skill to using them, and using them poorly (in his opinion). To me, that isn't judging it based purely on the theory. There is a measure of whether or not he thinks it sounds good.
I can't see why it isn't understandable that a fairly accomplished musician's taste could be determined by things he does and doesn't like to hear in the realm of theory.
I don't find anything wrong with him having an opinion based on that but he seems to go beyond expressing it as opinion and imply it to be fact. Variances in people's tastes is no reason to simply bash someone especially when you've already made it painfully clear you have an agenda as is the case with Metheny's stance on the Satchmo issue.
Well, a lot of people tend to express their opinions as fact. He does go pretty far though, I admit, but again, that has more to do with how he puts forth his opinion, not the opinion itself.
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How can you hate the guy responsible for this song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHFWqk08tNY&feature=related
:heart
I'm completely serious.
Fuck! When did you Brule-ize your avatar?!? 67 mega-awesome points to you chief :hefdaddy
All the credit should go to the brilliance of John C. Reilly :D
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9 year bump cuz why not. I just found this thread on Google cuz I was buzzed and searching for stuff about Kenny G being at an Opeth concert and now can't even remember what led me to do that.