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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: TempusVox on June 08, 2010, 09:56:05 PM
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Since the inception of the RR HoF I have donated approximately $5,000 to the museum. I have been to the HoF many times, and think it's a great place, and is a great thing to keep alive. I have also been miffed, like many of you, that Rush is not in the HoF. Of course I have been fortunate to get to know the members of this band on a personal level, and consider them now my friends, so my bias is pretty strong for obvious reasons. I joke around with Geddy from time to time by throwing a barb his way when we're talking about something completely random. It usually goes something like this- Ged: "I bought a new Samson wireless system today." Me: "Yeah, but are you in the Rock and Roll HOF?", or Ged: "All I ate today was a protein shake this morning, I'm starving." Me: "And your still not in the HoF." He usually says "And you'll NEVER be there." We laugh.
I kid around with him, because quite frankly, while he and Alex and Pratt would be very honored, they don't really give a damn either way. The fans however are incensed, which usually just makes Geddy shake his head and smile. He and Alex joke about it with each other more than I do with him.
Last week we were talking and I told him I was going to send them an email declaring my outrage over the fact that they had not been selected for induction. I also told him I was going to remind them of my donationas to the foundation, and that in clear conscious, I could no longer support their efforts financially, until this injustice had been rectified. We had a good laugh, and Geddy suggested they probably wouldn't even respond.
So, yesterday I sent the email. I reminded the recipients of the email of the countless musicians who have been influenced to play bass, drums, or guitar by each of these guys, alone should be enough to place them firmly in the halls of the HoF; their amazing career and contributions both lyrically, and musically not withstanding.
Today, less than twenty-four hours later I received the following:
>Dear Mr. __________,
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> Thanks for your comments.
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> Nomination and induction into the Hall of Fame is not about popularity, records sales, which label the group is on, or anything other than the process below. The love for, the evaluation of, and the impact of any artist are subjective questions to be answered by the nominators and the voters. Unlike baseball, football, basketball or hockey, statistics are not relevant.
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> The entire nomination and induction process is coordinated by the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation in New York City. Artists can be inducted in four categories: Performer, Early Influence, Non-Performer and Side-Men. The latter three categories are evaluated and decided by separate committees. The selection of Performers is a two-step process as described below.
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> The only formal criteria for the performance category is that an artist has to have had their first record 25 years ago. That said, candidates are reviewed and discussed relative to their impact on this music that we broadly call rock and roll. The innovation and influence of these artists is also critical. Gold records, number one hits, and million sellers are really not appropriate standards for evaluation.
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> The formal selection of Performers begins with an extensive panel of journalists, historians, previous inductees, noted musicians, industry heads, etc. In turn, those nominated are sent to a committee of more than 500 people around the world (journalists, historians, music industry management, all living inductees, musicians, etc.) who vote. Those receiving the highest number of votes and more than 50% of the votes cast are inducted into the Hall. Usually, this means five to seven new performing members each year. All this said, you can see the road to being inducted is an arduous one and for the most part, removed from the realm of influences or politics.
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> Finally, as I noted above, people sometimes forget that rock and roll, the artists, and other participants are viewed in an incredibly subjective manner by any individual brought into the circle of discussion. As such, there is often widespread disagreement or fracturing of opinion about who is or was important and to what degree.
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> I really think that all deserving candidates will have their moment eventually. Unfortunately, it often isn't the time frame they or their fans desire. In fact, there's not only precedent in our history, but also with the other sports halls of fame where many of the legends do not get inducted in the their first year of eligibility, or for many years to come in quite a few instances. I too am a fan of Rush, and hope that one day soon, we will welcome them into the Hall. Until that time comes, I want to think you for your support of our organization. Donors like yourself keep our non-profit mission alive. I hope you will reconsider your intent to withdrawal your continued support of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
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> Peace & Soul,
> Rock & Roll!
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> Terry Stewart
> President
> Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum
I say, BULLSHIT!! Put Rush in the Hall of Fame now!
:metal
I forwarded the email to Geddy, and his response was a smiley face. :biggrin:
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The guy who runs the whole show is a well-known hater of Rush, and has said on more than one occasion that Rush will never make the Hall as long as he has any say so in the matter.
I say, who cares? Sure, it would be nice if they made it, and they certainly deserve it, but it doesn't piss me off like it seems to piss off a lot of Rush fans. It is just the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, which has about as much credibility as the freaking Grammy awards, so like I said before: who cares?
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Exactly. What I found most humorous was the minute I mention no more funds, I got the response from Terry Stewart. I basically sent it to see if Ged was right, and because we were joking around about it again. But I liked the comment about politics. Not politically driven my ass.
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Temp, I just talked to Donna Halper at the Rush Documentary in Arlington, Ma. sunday and she told me point blank the Jan, point blank said Rush would get in over his dead body. I find it alarming the his eletist(sp?) attitude on this subject. Yet the Ramones and Run DMC are in. I can't even begin to start why this is so wrong.
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with Genesis getting in this past year, you may finally see more people voting for other progressive rock acts. Rush and Yes namely among others.
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That's awesome Tempus.
As for more prog groups getting into the HOF, I'm pretty sure, even though Phish paid tribute to their prog days, Genesis got into the HOF because of the 80s albums with Phil Collins. I'd love to see Rush in the HOF and I think its kinda stupid that they aren't in yet, but its not that big a deal.
That being said, I am incredibly angry that Malignant Narcissism lost a grammy to a freaking glorified cover band! There should be some rules against that!
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I'm not really up to date on the whole Hall of Fame thing, but is it true that Deep Purple isn't in it? If so, that's just plain stupid. Smoke on the Water is practically the first riff anyone learns when starting out on guitar. Surely they've had more of an impact than most of the bands that are already in the hall of fame.
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All this said, you can see the road to being inducted is an arduous one and for the most part, removed from the realm of influences or politics.
The guy who runs the whole show is a well-known hater of Rush, and has said on more than one occasion that Rush will never make the Hall as long as he has any say so in the matter.
I guess the key words are 'for the most part' then?
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Its a lost cause, and it doesn't matter anyways. Rush is one of the greatest bands of all time, and they don't need to be inducted into anything for that to be known. :)
Especially now since they are inducting rap artists into the ROR hall of fame. :p Its become a big joke.
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I'm boycotting the Hall until Rush are in there.
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I'm boycotting Rush until they make it into the Hall. I mean, if they aren't in the R&RHOF, how good can they really be?
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I've never understood why anyone cares at all about the RHOF. Enough shitty pop acts have gotten in that it can't really be considered prestigious or an honor at all. It's literally a list of acts that a few people happen to like.
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I'm boycotting Rush until they make it into the Hall. I mean, if they aren't in the R&RHOF, how good can they really be?
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I've never understood why anyone cares at all about the RHOF. Enough shitty pop acts have gotten in that it can't really be considered prestigious or an honor at all. It's literally a list of acts that a few people happen to like.
Some of those artists may be shit but you can't deny the influence.
However, when bands like Metallica, who were influenced by Rush, are inducted before the mighty triumverate themselves, that's when problems arise.
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So basically, the entire nomination process can be summed up as the following:
1. Band must be 25 or more years old
2. Popularity within the community
It has nothing really to do with their quality, influence, worldwide popularity, etc.?
So then, for all intents and purposes, Manowar, Rush, Yes, Iron Maiden, etc. all have equal chances of getting into the hall of fame?
I'm not gonna lie, although I found the museum itself to be pretty neat, that's kind of a stupid philosophy.
That would be like a history museum saying "Oh, we don't really need King Tut's remains, because its not all about how well known the mummy is. Therefore, we'll settle for a wheel of cheese dug up from a pete swamp in Georgia."
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I donīt care at all about the Hall of Fame. But I seem to be the only one surprised about the OP being a friend of Geddy Lee. I assume it is a well-known fact to most forum members.
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I donīt care at all about the Hall of Fame. But I seem to be the only one surprised about the OP being a friend of Geddy Lee. I assume it is a well-known claim to most forum members.
That's a bit better.
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1. Band must be 25 or more years old
I'm boycotting the Hall until Dream Theater is in.
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I've never understood why anyone cares at all about the RHOF. Enough shitty pop acts have gotten in that it can't really be considered prestigious or an honor at all. It's literally a list of acts that a few people happen to like.
Some of those artists may be shit but you can't deny the influence.
However, when bands like Metallica, who were influenced by Rush, are inducted before the mighty triumverate themselves, that's when problems arise.
wat
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I've never understood why anyone cares at all about the RHOF. Enough shitty pop acts have gotten in that it can't really be considered prestigious or an honor at all. It's literally a list of acts that a few people happen to like.
Some of those artists may be shit but you can't deny the influence.
However, when bands like Metallica, who were influenced by Rush, are inducted before the mighty triumverate themselves, that's when problems arise.
Bad choice of example. The influence to Rush on Metallica is absolutely minuscule compared to the influence Metallica had on metal and the bands that followed. To be quite frank I almost guarantee the number of times people have heard the Rush influence on Metallica is slim to never.
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Anyone who is using this as a reason to boycott the hall should be reminded that there were a billion reasons to boycott the hall already, aside from this.
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Temp, I just talked to Donna Halper at the Rush Documentary in Arlington, Ma. sunday and she told me point blank the Jan, point blank said Rush would get in over his dead body. I find it alarming the his eletist(sp?) attitude on this subject. Yet the Ramones and Run DMC are in. I can't even begin to start why this is so wrong.
So if this guy were to have "an accident", Rush's chances will improve?
The RRHoF lets all kinds of borderline / uninteresting acts in and will seemingly never let bands I like and argueably could be in the HoF in. This alone made it unlikely I'd ever go, but the fact that its in the most god-forsaken hellhole guarantees I'll never go.
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How the hell does one boycott the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame? Do you just not go to the museum? Do you make stern comments about it in your facebook statuses? Do you firebomb Jann's house? Will any of it do anything at all?
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How the hell does one boycott the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame? Do you just not go to the museum? Do you make stern comments about it in your facebook statuses? Do you firebomb Jann's house? Will any of it do anything at all?
I don't know. I was joking when I said it. I've actually been there once, it's a fascinating museum, for the most part.
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I'm gonna be visiting the HOF in a few weeks on our way to Phoenix. I really want to see Genesis' exhibit :D
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I donīt care at all about the Hall of Fame. But I seem to be the only one surprised about the OP being a friend of Geddy Lee. I assume it is a well-known claim to most forum members.
That's a bit better.
Hmmm.... Just like you claim to be a heterosexual, right?
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I'm gonna be visiting the HOF in a few weeks on our way to Phoenix. I really want to see Genesis' exhibit :D
I don't recall there being an exhibit for each inductee. I was very disappointed by this.
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I've never understood why anyone cares at all about the RHOF. Enough shitty pop acts have gotten in that it can't really be considered prestigious or an honor at all. It's literally a list of acts that a few people happen to like.
Some of those artists may be shit but you can't deny the influence.
However, when bands like Metallica, who were influenced by Rush, are inducted before the mighty triumverate themselves, that's when problems arise.
Bad choice of example. The influence to Rush on Metallica is absolutely minuscule compared to the influence Metallica had on metal and the bands that followed. To be quite frank I almost guarantee the number of times people have heard the Rush influence on Metallica is slim to never.
This, actually. Metallica absolutely deserves to be there.
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I donīt care at all about the Hall of Fame. But I seem to be the only one surprised about the OP being a friend of Geddy Lee. I assume it is a well-known claim to most forum members.
That's a bit better.
Hmmm.... Just like you claim to be a heterosexual, right?
Yeah, he keeps saying one thing and doing another.
And by doing I mean...lol
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The guy who runs the whole show is a well-known hater of Rush, and has said on more than one occasion that Rush will never make the Hall as long as he has any say so in the matter.
I say, who cares? Sure, it would be nice if they made it, and they certainly deserve it, but it doesn't piss me off like it seems to piss off a lot of Rush fans. It is just the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, which has about as much credibility as the freaking Grammy awards, so like I said before: who cares?
I wouldn't care so much about Rush making it into the HOF (even though I love Rush), but I would tend to care more about the fact that a guy running the show puts personal bias ahead of deserved recognition. That doesn't sound like someone who should be in charge.
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I've never understood why anyone cares at all about the RHOF. Enough shitty pop acts have gotten in that it can't really be considered prestigious or an honor at all. It's literally a list of acts that a few people happen to like.
Some of those artists may be shit but you can't deny the influence.
However, when bands like Metallica, who were influenced by Rush, are inducted before the mighty triumverate themselves, that's when problems arise.
Bad choice of example. The influence to Rush on Metallica is absolutely minuscule compared to the influence Metallica had on metal and the bands that followed. To be quite frank I almost guarantee the number of times people have heard the Rush influence on Metallica is slim to never.
Sanitarium. That's all I have.
I like the idea of a R&RHoF, but it seems stupid how it's been realized. It's cool that Genesis made it in, but would they have if it weren't for the 80s? And even Rush had a better decade than Genesis.
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Bad choice of example. The influence to Rush on Metallica is absolutely minuscule compared to the influence Metallica had on metal and the bands that followed. To be quite frank I almost guarantee the number of times people have heard the Rush influence on Metallica is slim to never.
I think the most influence Rush had on Metallica was in Cliff Burton's prominent bass playing within their music, but, even then, I don't think he sounded anything like Geddy.
Re: Jann Wenner -- so for all the liberalism of Rolling Stone, one of its founders is personally vowing to keep Rush out of The Hall simply because he doesn't care for their music. Hypocrite much?
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Wenner sounds like quite a tool. His reasoning for keeping certain bands out is outright immature and childish.
Also, if the OP does in fact know Geddy, can you ask them why Rush never comes to Halifax when touring? It would allow an entire region of the country to go see them without having to go all the way to Quebec.
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I stopped caring about this since the '80s.
Just look at the record since then and it's obvious.
I'm more proud of them getting the Order of Canada, getting five songs in the Canadian Songwriters Hall Of Fame, having Neil's Hockey Night kit in the Hockey Hall of Fame, and National Lampoon's award for being Artist of the Millenium than I am about them being enshrined in Cleveland.
Even if they do manage it someday, it would mean nothing when compared to those other honors.
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I stopped caring about this since the '80s.
Just look at the record since then and it's obvious.
I'm more proud of them getting the Order of Canada, getting five songs in the Canadian Songwriters Hall Of Fame, having Neil's Hockey Night kit in the Hockey Hall of Fame, and National Lampoon's award for being Artist of the Millenium than I am about them being enshrined in Cleveland.
Even if they do manage it someday, it would mean nothing when compared to those other honors.
Ytse, did you see the documentary yet? You should. It was great.
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When does the DVD of it come out?
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When does the DVD of it come out?
The end of this month(June 29th) and it's on VH1 Classic a few days before the DVD release.
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When does the DVD of it come out?
June 29th in the US
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When does the DVD of it come out?
June 29th in the US
Will be picking that up.
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When does the DVD of it come out?
June 29th in the US
Will be picking that up.
Same. I'm not the biggest Rush fan, but this documentary looks fascinating.
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I stopped caring about this since the '80s.
Just look at the record since then and it's obvious.
I'm more proud of them getting the Order of Canada, getting five songs in the Canadian Songwriters Hall Of Fame, having Neil's Hockey Night kit in the Hockey Hall of Fame, and National Lampoon's award for being Artist of the Millenium than I am about them being enshrined in Cleveland.
Even if they do manage it someday, it would mean nothing when compared to those other honors.
Ytse, did you see the documentary yet? You should. It was great.
I'll be seeing it in less than 24 hours now and I'll be watching the VH Classic premiere before the DVD hits my player. I'm trying not to think too much about it right now.
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Feels like waiting for the album release as a kid!!!! I know how you feel. ;D
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Last August, some friends and I took a road trip to Cleveland for a concert and we decided that since we'd be arriving pretty early, we may as well go see the Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame. We went, looked around, got bored and decided a better use of our time would be to sit around in the parking lot outside the venue for eight hours.
I guess this is a roundabout way of saying, Who gives a flying fuck?
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I've never understood why anyone cares at all about the RHOF. Enough shitty pop acts have gotten in that it can't really be considered prestigious or an honor at all. It's literally a list of acts that a few people happen to like.
Some of those artists may be shit but you can't deny the influence.
However, when bands like Metallica, who were influenced by Rush, are inducted before the mighty triumverate themselves, that's when problems arise.
Bad choice of example. The influence to Rush on Metallica is absolutely minuscule compared to the influence Metallica had on metal and the bands that followed. To be quite frank I almost guarantee the number of times people have heard the Rush influence on Metallica is slim to never.
This, actually. Metallica absolutely deserves to be there.
I never said they didn't. They truly do deserve to be there.