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Dream Theater => Concerts and Set Lists => Topic started by: Bonham on June 05, 2010, 09:24:15 PM
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Just wondering what people want to hear from the prog gods, if you could only pick one song for them to do.
Personally I hope they do ItNoG, of course with Petrucci's mind blowing solo at the end.
I agree with previous posters that Bruce Dickenson should sing for it too; there would be no end to the :metal
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Just wondering what people want to hear from the prog gods, if you could only pick one song for them to do.
Personally I hope they do ItNoG, of course with Petrucci's mind blowing solo at the end.
I agree with previous posters that Bruce Dickenson should sing for it too; there would be no end to the :metal
Word is that DT is not bringing out any new songs this tour, so it be basically be repeats of PN09/10 shows. Fortunately for you, they played In the Name of God as a show closer at various shows, so you may end up seeing it after all.
Going by what they played during the PN09/10 shows, I want the opposite of the set I saw in Montreal.
Instead of TDOE/OLT I'd like The Mirror/Lie or Erotomania/Voices
Instead of As I Am I'd Like ITNOG, Metropolis or Take the Time
And I'd like to see Wither.
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Erotomania/Voices would be epic but i would love to see As I Am.
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If this is from what they were touring off of, it would probably be As I Am or The Count of Tuscany. If it is in general, seeing Home would probably be one of the single most awesome musical experiences I could ever hope to experience.
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there are so many but I would have to go with ACoS
also just because they are doing repeats from the past two tours, I still doubt we will see songs like Voices, in the end DT is trying to attract Iron Maiden fans (god dammit) and probably wont play something like that
It will probably be this boring set
As I Am
Constant Motion
A Rite of Passage
Wither
Panic Attack
Metropolis (ok well at least this song is awesome)
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Surrounded
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I havn't sehem this tour, so when I see them in Jult, I'd love to see The Count Of Tuscany. As for an older song I'd love to hear Overture 1982, Strange Déjà Vu, Through My Words. It's been since the SFAM tour.
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I'd love to hear "Beyond This Life" again. I saw it on Progressive Nation 2009, and it was my favorite Dream Theater song at the time (and still might be). It has incredibly heavy parts, and then incredibly soft parts. Magnificent.
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I wouldn't mind that one at all, never seen it live.
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The Glass Prison and The Count Of Tuscany
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I would kill to see Stream of Consciousness live.
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I would kill to see Octavarium live.
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I would kill to see Octavarium live.
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As for an older song I'd love to hear Overture 1982
Fuck yeah 80's :metal
:lol
I think I'm the only other one who caught that...
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I would kill Darklol to see Octavarium live.
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As for an older song I'd love to hear Overture 1982
Fuck yeah 80's :metal
:lol
I think I'm the only other one who caught that...
I saw it this morning but didn't have time to point it out! :lol
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I would kill to see Octavarium live.
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I would kill babies to see Octavarium live.
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Learning To Live, of course. Also, seeing 6:00 and LSOAD would be very cool.
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The Ministry of lost souls
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I think it's time that they bring back more:
Scenes from a Memory songs. They'll play maybe 1-2 each tour, but I like to see a series of songs again.
1st CD SDOIT songs. The Glass Prison is inevitable what with the 12-step suite imminent in live form. Also The Great Debate is a song I NEED to hear live before DT call it quits.
Falling into Infinity gets a fairly decent rotation setup, considering its not popular in the band's eyes. Still, hearing a song like LiTS, ToT, or Hells Kitchen would be great.
And, it's wishful thinking, but something from WDADU would be great sometime soon.
Long story short, I want to see more middle albums get played. They covered the recent ones fairly well on the last few tours. And I&W and Awake also got some good coverage as of late. Get some FII-SDOIT in the setlists.
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The Best of Times
Solitary Shell
The Mirror
Space. Dye. Vest. (though I know they won't)
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To Live Forever (From live Tokyo ish :tup)
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The Glass Prison and The Count Of Tuscany
Along with In The Name Of God.
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These Walls, Honor Thy Father, Hell's Kitchen, Prophets of War, Never Enough, 12 step suite..oh w8...we were to choose one song...uhm...Octavatium
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ACOS.
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Two songs I've never seen live are The Glass Prison and This Dying Soul. I expect that to change after the next tour.
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Two songs I've never seen live are The Glass Prison and This Dying Soul. I expect that to change after the next tour.
oh, this!! And Octavarium of course!! :metal
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An epic. ACOS, SDOIT, or 8vm in particular, but hell, i wouldn't even mind if it was ITPOE or TCOT.
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It's a toss-up between These Walls and Wither for me...I think I've seen them do pretty much everything else.
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I want them to play Hell's kitchen!!
and next time they do LITS they should put Hell's kitchen before it instead of a keyboard solo! They've done that on all tours with that song now.
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6:00
Trial of Tears
Caught In A Web
Ytse Jam
These Walls
Honor Thy Father
Ok, so it's not one song, but whatever. I'd love to see them all :metal
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Most of the stuff that I have wanted to see live they have played (The Mirror/Lie just got crossed off my list on this tour)- the following are the top songs I still have yet to see them play live:
6:00
The Glass Prison
The Shattered Fortress
These Walls
ITNOG in it's entirety
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A Change of Seasons. I would kill, rape, pillage, smile cannon, etc, to hear that song live, as it is my favourite track of all time.
But really, there are a lot of songs I'd love to hear. As much as I've absolutely loved the two Dream Theater shows I've seen, the setlists have really only been so-so. Here's a list of the songs I've seen Dream Theater play live*, and how I rank them along with the rest of their catalogue (a bit out of date, but nevertheless):
3 - A Nightmare to Remember
9 - The Count of Tuscany
13 - The Dance of Eternity
43 - Constant Motion
54 - One Last Time
59 - Panic Attack
60 - Pull Me Under
65 - Hollow Years (extended)**
67 - A Rite of Passage x2
69 - Home
77 - Prophets of War
80 - As I Am x2
* - I've also seen Solitary Shell (extended), but I rank Six Degrees as one song so I don't have an individual ranking for SS.
** - This ranking applies to the studio version.
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Octavarium. Then I can tick another one off of my life goal to see my top 5 songs ever live.
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69 - Home
Aha. Another SFAM mystery solved. (:eyebrows:)
A Change of Seasons. I would kill, rape, pillage, smile cannon, etc, to hear that song live, as it is my favourite track of all time.
And this so much.
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Wait for Sleep, Learning to Live back to back
would be so amazing.
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acos
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I would give my left nut to see them play "Awake" in its entirety...Space Dyed Vest included
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The Dance of Eternity, and Blind Faith (totally underrated tune)
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The Dance of Eternity
Saw that on PN09 and it was awesome!
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The Dance of Eternity
Saw that on PN09 and it was awesome!
This
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The Dance of Eternity
Saw that on PN09 and it was awesome!
This
This
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The Dance of Eternity
Saw that on PN09 and the power was cut several times, during which MP did a drum solo while they fix'd it!
This
This
This for me.
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The Dance of Eternity
Saw that on PN09 and the power was cut several times, during which MP did a drum solo while they fix'd it!
This
This
This for me.
This for you not me.
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Space Dye Vest...just 'cause.
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Space Dye Vest...just 'cause.
:facepalm: Not this again...
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What? I like the song. It's the one song (besides The Best of Times) that they haven't played. Plus Mike is not currently in the band and Jordan has said he enjoys playing it. I'm thinking chances of hearing it are slightly higher then they were last week...not by much, but ya never know.
Plus I know that people like Bosk would likely claw their eyeballs out in frustration and that would make me giggle a little :P
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What? I like the song. It's the one song (besides The Best of Times) that they haven't played. Plus Mike is not currently in the band and Jordan has said he enjoys playing it. I'm thinking chances of hearing it are slightly higher then they were last week...not by much, but ya never know.
Plus I know that people like Bosk would likely claw their eyeballs out in frustration and that would make me giggle a little :P
Front row?... :corn
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Disappear.
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acos...
and freakin Metropolis dammit
twice ive seen 'em and the first time i almost got up and walked away when they encored it with The C of T. (mind u i still havent really got into that song)
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twice ive seen 'em and the first time i almost got up and walked away when they encored it with The C of T. (mind u i still havent really got into that song)
You suck at getting into songs. :-X
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twice ive seen 'em and the first time i almost got up and walked away when they encored it with The C of T. (mind u i still havent really got into that song)
You should definitely give TCOT another chance. I did, and I saved a bunch of money on my insurance...by not paying it :tup
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its just sooo cheezy.
i have listened to it over and over again
still so cheezy
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its just sooo cheezy.
i have listened to it over and over again
still so cheezy
Which part comes off as cheesy? The lyrics, melody, or composition? I could comprehend if it's the lyrics, it threw me off at first. But after a while I got over the fact that John does not know how to trust people. That's ok. lol
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lyircs.
i <3 the instrumental mix
and when they came around for PN09 i was still obsessed with "ROOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRR!"
lol
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I have never really cared about lyrics
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Mike was the main person involved in the set lists every night, and was pretty involved in the process even choosing songs based on the last time they played in a city.
So what now? Do you think they will just play a standard set list, or will they continue to switch songs from night to night?
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I think they will continue to mix it up. It's become their trademark.
I kind of hope there will be a little more group input as to what songs go on the master list.
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I can't imagine DT not mixing up the sets. That is one of the main things their fans love, they almost almost get new stuff. I never understood why Mike was the only one to make the set lists, it's not like it is that difficult of a task.
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They'll mix it up guaranteed. James said he got tired of the same set on the maiden tour
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Indeed
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whoops. wrong thread
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Mike wasn't doing such a great job the past few tours. Lots of repeating, a lack of interesting surprises and so forth.
I really hope the band looks at this change as a reason to do things that are fresh and exciting.
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Maybe it's just me, but I really think that either Pull Me Under, Metropolis, or Learning to Live need to be played during the encore of every show.
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Mike wasn't doing such a great job the past few tours. Lots of repeating, a lack of interesting surprises and so forth.
You can't always have interesting surprises (assuming you mean something like Mikael from Opeth singing on Repentance). They did repeat Misunderstood last year and the year before (same venue), but I also saw the first ever live rendition of PoW, so that was an interesting surprise.
Maybe it's just me, but I really think that either Pull Me Under, Metropolis, or Learning to Live need to be played during the encore of every show.
Metropolis for sure...but holy crap it'll be so weird to see a different drummer on what I consider the quintessential DT song. Such an adjustment.
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Space Dye Vest
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What? I like the song. It's the one song (besides The Best of Times) that they haven't played.
They also haven't played The Shattered Fortress or Don't Look Past Me.
And from what we've heard, most of the rest of the band doesn't like SDV any more than MP did, so I still doubt we will get that. Or any of the other ones they haven't played.
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No, I meant more like including Anna Lee, or Take Away My Pain, or Cover My Eyes, or an acoustic set. Just stuff they stopped doing.
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That's true, but it's not like they have to do that, either. But yeah, it did feel like Mike was slacking from his usual charismatic way of putting a tour together.
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Maybe it's just me, but I really think that either Pull Me Under, Metropolis, or Learning to Live need to be played during the encore of every show.
No thanks...
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Learning to Live maybe, but some rest wouldn't hurt PMU and Metropolis.
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Maybe it's just me, but I really think that either Pull Me Under, Metropolis, or Learning to Live need to be played during the encore of every show.
I've thought something along these lines before. It seems like there are some DT songs that are fan and band favorites that everyone seems to love. If I went to my first DT show, and I didn't see one of those songs, I would be disappointed. For example, I am thankful beyond belief that I got to hear Metropolis, their signature song, at my first DT show. Seems like it would be a natural encore choice. But the cool thing about DT is that any of the epic album enders could be an encore and most people would be happy (unless its ITPOE)
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I just want The Killing Hand. *fingers crossed*
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Learning to Live maybe, but some rest wouldn't hurt PMU and Metropolis.
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I just want The Killing Hand. *fingers crossed*
Yeah me too, they didn't play it for 5 years now!
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I'd take Metropolis, LTL or ACOS any day over the medley of the 3 they did last tour.
I'm pretty sure that without Mike taking control we'll see them play some different stuff. IMO they shouldn't play any SC/TOT and give some of the older/less metal stuff a go..
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My somewhat-educated guess is that they will mix things up, but not nearly as drastically as they used to. I think it will probably be along the lines of either rotating between two static set lists or having most of the set static, but having a 2-4 song section of the set where they rotate a handful of songs.
Maybe it's just me, but I really think that either Pull Me Under, Metropolis, or Learning to Live need to be played during the encore of every show.
I disagree. For as much music as they have, that's far too predictable, IMO.
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My somewhat-educated guess is that they will mix things up, but not nearly as drastically as they used to. I think it will probably be along the lines of either rotating between two static set lists or having most of the set static, but having a 2-4 song section of the set where they rotate a handful of songs.
I agree...this is similar to the last 2 albums' tours.
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Now that someone other than Mike will be making the set lists, I just hope in my heart of hearts that they finally ban Hollow Years from all future sets for the next decade or so. It's not nearly a good enough song for how often they play it. And ban Another Day as well. The vocals are impossible to pull off live.
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I hope that there's tons of songs Petrucci or LaBrie or Myung want to play but that Portnoy didn't allow.
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The only song I haven't seen DT play that I REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY want to see them play is ACOS.
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Now that someone other than Mike will be making the set lists, I just hope in my heart of hearts that they finally ban Hollow Years from all future sets for the next decade or so. It's not nearly a good enough song for how often they play it. And ban Another Day as well. The vocals are impossible to pull off live.
This.
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I wonder if they'll play extended parts
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I think it will be interesting to see the rest of the band pick songs that Mike wouldn't necessarily allow, or they just never spoke up about playing.
Or, assuming they find a good drummer who is a DT-fan, it would be very interesting to see the new drummer choose some of the songs on the sets.
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??? Mike never disallowed any song as far as I know. He expressed that he didn't think it would be appropriate to play Space Dye Vest and has said he hates You Not Me, but that's it. In fact, it's pretty much because of Mike and Mike only that some of WDADU, any of the Majesty stuff, and a few other songs have ever gotten played. I can almost guarantee we'll never see another Majesty song now that Mike is out of the band because JP hates that stuff.
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??? Mike never disallowed any song as far as I know. He expressed that he didn't think it would be appropriate to play Space Dye Vest and has said he hates You Not Me, but that's it. In fact, it's pretty much because of Mike and Mike only that some of WDADU, any of the Majesty stuff, and a few other songs have ever gotten played. I can almost guarantee we'll never see another Majesty song now that Mike is out of the band because JP hates that stuff.
Fine by me, I kinda hope they stop playing rare songs like that and give more focus to playing songs like Forsaken or TDEN. Seriously, just playing those two songs over and over for 3 hours will make me a happy man.
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Since Petrucci hates medleys, those will probably fall by the wayside.
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I have mixed feeling about that. I have nothing against medleys in general. Some of DT's were pretty good. The Big Medley is pretty awesome. Instrumedley was cool, but got old after one tour and shouldn't have been carried over. Schmedley Wilcox was a good way to sample some good material that otherwise wouldn't have made it into the set. But when they are done too often or done in such as way that they minimize the impact of the songs (such as the I&W medleys they've done over the years with parts of PMU, LTL, and/or Metropolis), I would rather not have them.
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I actually am fine with some time going by without any more medleys. I think we've had quite enough for a while.
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Since Petrucci hates medleys, those will probably fall by the wayside.
I hate medleys too. Give me a proper song.
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??? Mike never disallowed any song as far as I know. He expressed that he didn't think it would be appropriate to play Space Dye Vest and has said he hates You Not Me, but that's it. In fact, it's pretty much because of Mike and Mike only that some of WDADU, any of the Majesty stuff, and a few other songs have ever gotten played. I can almost guarantee we'll never see another Majesty song now that Mike is out of the band because JP hates that stuff.
MP disallowed Anna Lee and Hell's Kitchen.
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What, what what?!
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HEll's KItchen?! :S :O :O What was he thinking?!
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I really hope they come here when they tour and play Prophets of War, the one song I want to see just for this part
"The only thing that I believe will help us see this through is faith. Pray they will forgive, forgive our arrogance so we can make it right. Right what they have wronged."
Other than the lyrics I think it's fun song that I bet the guys liked to play live now they played it.
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??? Mike never disallowed any song as far as I know. He expressed that he didn't think it would be appropriate to play Space Dye Vest and has said he hates You Not Me, but that's it. In fact, it's pretty much because of Mike and Mike only that some of WDADU, any of the Majesty stuff, and a few other songs have ever gotten played. I can almost guarantee we'll never see another Majesty song now that Mike is out of the band because JP hates that stuff.
MP disallowed Anna Lee and Hell's Kitchen.
Prove it. I want links, because what your claiming is complete BS. What Bosk said is true - kiss goodbye any of the variety that we were used to enjoying. Not only is the Majesty stuff gone, but so is WDaDU, the FII outtakes and anything remotely rare. MP was the reason why we enjoyed the variety we saw in the setlists.
Maybe it's just me, but I really think that either Pull Me Under, Metropolis, or Learning to Live need to be played during the encore of every show.
It's just you. :tdwn
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What Bosk said is true - kiss goodbye any of the variety that we were used to enjoying. Not only is the Majesty stuff gone, but so is WDaDU, the FII outtakes and anything remotely rare. MP was the reason why we enjoyed the variety we saw in the setlists.
NOOO!!! I would love to see them playing WDADU songs! :'( But if they don't like those songs, then they shouldn't play them.
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MP disallowed Anna Lee and Hell's Kitchen.
Prove it.
I am pretty sure that neither has been played since Jordan Rudess joined the band, aside from "Hell's Kitchen" being part of the "Instrumedley" and some of it being played in the demo of "Burning My Soul." Since Portnoy was the writer of all set lists, that is all of the proof you need. Maybe he didn't disallow them per se, but the fact that you didn't see either of them in 11 years of touring ('99-'10) says it all.
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??? Mike never disallowed any song as far as I know. He expressed that he didn't think it would be appropriate to play Space Dye Vest and has said he hates You Not Me, but that's it. In fact, it's pretty much because of Mike and Mike only that some of WDADU, any of the Majesty stuff, and a few other songs have ever gotten played. I can almost guarantee we'll never see another Majesty song now that Mike is out of the band because JP hates that stuff.
MP disallowed Anna Lee and Hell's Kitchen.
Prove it. I want links, because what your claiming is complete BS.
Oh come on, Scotty. He made the setlists, and they were never in them. If he didn't disallow them, who did?
You're completely right about the variety of songs in the setlists. The demo versions, outtakes, and older songs were only there because MP wanted them there. But the songs that WEREN'T there were likewise because he DIDN'T want them there. Because, again, he was the one who made the setlists. Not sure why you're getting so defensive or confrontational.
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No WDADU songs? :(
But that kills my chance of ever seeing Ytse Jam or A Fortune in Lies...
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No WDADU songs? :(
But that kills my chance of ever seeing Ytse Jam or A Fortune in Lies...
I suggest Images & Words: Live In Tokyo.
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??? Mike never disallowed any song as far as I know. He expressed that he didn't think it would be appropriate to play Space Dye Vest and has said he hates You Not Me, but that's it. In fact, it's pretty much because of Mike and Mike only that some of WDADU, any of the Majesty stuff, and a few other songs have ever gotten played. I can almost guarantee we'll never see another Majesty song now that Mike is out of the band because JP hates that stuff.
MP disallowed Anna Lee and Hell's Kitchen.
Prove it. I want links, because what your claiming is complete BS.
Oh come on, Scotty. He made the setlists, and they were never in them. If he didn't disallow them, who did?
You're completely right about the variety of songs in the setlists. The demo versions, outtakes, and older songs were only there because MP wanted them there. But the songs that WEREN'T there were likewise because he DIDN'T want them there. Because, again, he was the one who made the setlists. Not sure why you're getting so defensive or confrontational.
WHERE IS YOUR PROOF!!?!?!?!
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No WDADU songs? :(
But that kills my chance of ever seeing Ytse Jam or A Fortune in Lies...
I suggest Images & Words: Live In Tokyo.
But I want to see it in person :(
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No WDADU songs? :(
But that kills my chance of ever seeing Ytse Jam or A Fortune in Lies...
I suggest Images & Words: Live In Tokyo.
But I want to see it in person :(
I suggest a DeLorean with an in-dash flux capacitor.
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wow :rollin
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only 5 more years...
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All I can say is..it's good to have a Setlist Scotty sighting! :)
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Did everybody in the band hate the setlist variety except for mike? I doubt it, so it's unlikely to have a huge impact.
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Did everybody in the band hate the setlist variety except for mike? I doubt it, so it's unlikely to have a huge impact.
I don't see how everyone is getting worked up over this. The revolving set-lists have always been a part of the Dream Theater live show and what makes going to a show almost completely unaware of the set (unless your on this board following the tour every second of your life, then you have a pretty damn good idea what will be played).
I think Dream Theater will continue to revolve the set-lists like always. We may not see Another Won again or possibly WDADU, but you never know. JP and the guys could decide one day, "Hell, let's play some old shit. Could be fun."
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Having seen Dream Theater 12 times one of my only disappointments has been only hearing ONE song off of When Dream and Day Unite. I really hope it doesn't end up being the only one I end up hearing.
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Then there should be a WDADU push at the other guys through JLB,JP, & JR's twitters and forum postings. I would say to just keep mentioning it.
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Did everybody in the band hate the setlist variety except for mike? I doubt it, so it's unlikely to have a huge impact.
I know James loved having varied setlists, and JP said that they'll still do different setlists each night. They're never going to throw away the changing setlists, because its such a live trademark for them.
@Scotty: I know you work(ed) closely with DT/MP (not really sure what your status is with MP's departure), but I think the other guys will still give us varied setlists. Maybe they'll pull out stuff that rarely gets played anymore. I'm sure Mike isn't the only person who wants to pull out FII demos and WDADU songs. I can understand the others never playing Majesty stuff again, because, lets face it, how many people actually care about the Majesty demos and songs that aren't "Another Won?" Maybe they would sound better with a live update, but I wouldn't miss them.
Maybe they'll do a group setlist construction, so they can play the stuff they want to play, what fans would want to hear, and what James can sing. That is probably the best decision they can come to regarding setlists. Of course, this is all speculation because there are a lot of "maybes" in this post, but I'm kind of excited and optimistic about this aspect of DT's music as well as the new album.
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??? Mike never disallowed any song as far as I know. He expressed that he didn't think it would be appropriate to play Space Dye Vest and has said he hates You Not Me, but that's it. In fact, it's pretty much because of Mike and Mike only that some of WDADU, any of the Majesty stuff, and a few other songs have ever gotten played. I can almost guarantee we'll never see another Majesty song now that Mike is out of the band because JP hates that stuff.
MP disallowed Anna Lee and Hell's Kitchen.
Prove it. I want links, because what your claiming is complete BS.
Oh come on, Scotty. He made the setlists, and they were never in them. If he didn't disallow them, who did?
I don't think anyone "disallowed" them. "Not played for a long time" is not necessarily the same thing as "disallowing" them. There are quite a few songs that have not been played in a while that Mike has said he would like to work back into the set lists at some point. There's no reason to believe, at least from nothing I've seen, that leads me to believe those two songs would have eventually be played again.
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MP said that he considered Anna Lee too much of a DS song to play now. That was on the commentary for 5YIAL.
It is well known what MP's opinions are on the changes made to the FII songs. One of the biggest examples of those changes was the separation of HK out of BMS, and the writing of the ending of that song to complete it. It hasn't been played since the FII tour, except for when it was used as the ending of Instrumedley. Meanwhile, BMS with HK still a part of it has been played countless times.
I'm not making anything up. I'm drawing conclusions based on known evidence.
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Honestly, I'm not too bummed out. The focus should be from the start of their peak (I&W) to the present. I don't dislike WDADU, but at this point, only 2 members were on the record and if no one is really fending for material from it to be played live, why bother?
It's safe to say we'll still get extended jam sections, so I'm not worried. The demos/rarities aren't a big loss for me personally as I am no major fan of any specific track, and the majority of casual fans won't care much, so from a realistic side, it makes sense to stick to album tracks.
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MP said that he considered Anna Lee too much of a DS song to play now. That was on the commentary for 5YIAL.
It is well known what MP's opinions are on the changes made to the FII songs. One of the biggest examples of those changes was the separation of HK out of BMS, and the writing of the ending of that song to complete it. It hasn't been played since the FII tour, except for when it was used as the ending of Instrumedley. Meanwhile, BMS with HK still a part of it has been played countless times.
I'm not making anything up. I'm drawing conclusions based on known evidence.
You Or Me's not been played for ages, but he did state in the Ytse Jam liner notes that he was planning to bring it back, at some point. Sometimes a song that's not been played in ages is just a song that's not been played in ages. It don't think it's entirely fair to assume. Correlation does not imply causation, or something that's actually relevant, I don't know.
(That said, he was clearly never a fan of the decision to split Hell's Kitchen. They've played BMS '96 a whole lot. I think he's always been very precious about his role as an arranger. Ergo him being very grumpy during the FII sessions while JP was fairly content with it. I don't think he dislikes Hell's Kitchen, he just wants to play it the way that he originally designed it. He also found a place for the finale in the Instrumedley. He plays the music of Hell's Kitchen quite a lot. Just, rarely under that name.)
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ive always wanted to see under a glass moon live
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You NOT Me hasn't been played since the FII tour, and even then only a few times. You OR Me, which MP stated he would like to bring into future setlists, has NEVER been played live. Again, showing his preference for the demo versions of FII material.
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I want to see The Killing Hand on future setlist!
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You NOT Me hasn't been played since the FII tour, and even then only a few times. You OR Me, which MP stated he would like to bring into future setlists, has NEVER been played live. Again, showing his preference for the demo versions of FII material.
That's kind of my point. Sometimes a song that doesn't get played is just a song that doesn't get played. Raise the Knife didn't get played until the Octavarium tour, it had the dubious honour of being one of the three songs that'd never been played live, in fact. Nobody disliked it, it just never happened. Same applied to YOM by the looks of things. I don't think there's any reason to necessarily believe that MP had banned Anna Lee or Hell's Kitchen. Can only be speculation. Could be a Raise the Knife, could be a Space-Dye Vest.
Might just be a question of semantics. If "just" is the right word.
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^All that.
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To begin with, I agree with Rob Webster's last post and feel no need to add further to it.
I'm sure Mike isn't the only person who wants to pull out FII demos and WDADU songs.
I can't speak for certainty regarding the FII demos, but MP himself told me that he was the only one that pushed for the WDaDU tracks (and obviously Another Won on the 8v tour). Neither Jordan nor James has any vested interest in those songs, so it's fairly pointless to bring it up to them. And from what MP's said to me in the past, neither JP nor JM care about those old songs either. So you tell me if you'll see them in future setlists without MP. As for the FII tracks, MP was the one who paid attention to the rare songs - the band viewed such songs as of lesser quality than the ones that made it onto FII, so I'd expect that they will fall under the same category as the Majesty and WDaDU tracks.
I'm sure that there will be some rotating of songs, but I doubt it will be to the extent that we have seen within the last 8 years.
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I think they'll bust some of WDaDU out at least, If fans show their love for them they might consider it but who knows
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I don't think WDADU gets a lot of love from the fans live, does it? I think I remember them saying that a lot of the crowd had a WTF look on their faces for much of the When Dream and Day Reunite set. Sure, you'll get a few people at any show who will go nuts over a WDADU song being played, but I suspect that most fans in attendance wouldn't care that much about hearing songs from an album they either don't know at all/that well or one they probably don't like as much as the others.
And I wouldn't say Portnoy paid too much attention to the rare tracks from FII, considering that except for "Raise the Knife" quite a bit on the OV tour and the original "Burning My Soul" getting played from time to time, none of those other "rare" songs have been played at all since Rudess joined the band (although "Speak to Me" might have been busted out a few times, IIRC).
The good news is that maybe they will someday do another show like the Rotterdam one. JLB mentioned on the 5YIAL commentary how great it would be to do something like that again, but predictably it never happened, probably because Portnoy didn't want to do it. With him out of the band and no longer calling the shots, hopefully they will do something like that again, even if it is just a handful of shows.
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JLB mentioned on the 5YIAL commentary how great it would be to do something like that again, but predictably it never happened, probably because Portnoy didn't want to do it. With him out of the band and no longer calling the shots, hopefully they will do something like that again, even if it is just a handful of shows.
How quick we are to ASSume....
Actually, when I interview MP a little over a year ago (which I believe might actually see the light of day relatively soon, if the next issue of Voices does in fact come out soon...), this came up in the course of our conversation. Here's an excerpt from the interview:
SH: Speaking of the evening with shows, would you ever consider doing a tour where you do part of a set semi-acoustically, similar to how you did the Home for the Holidays shows in 1998 to maybe lighten things up a bit so that you could catch your breath?
MP: You know, that’s a good point. I hadn’t considered that for the “catching your breath” factor, but it does make sense. Yeah. I saw the thread wondering if we would ever do a tour like that again. Even for those shows, for those of you around back then when we did them, they were met with skepticism. Now a lot of people can see the DVD and say that was cool and awesome. But I remember at those shows having to take the mic and say “look – if you came for Pull Me Under and Metropolis, leave now – we’re not doing them.” And I remember a lot of people bitching and moaning “I went and saw Dream Theater and all they did was sit there and play all these songs I never heard before.” So yeah, the hardcore fans wanna hear the B-sides like Where Are You Now and covers like Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, but the majority of fans coming to see Dream Theater weren’t digging it. They went away kind of disappointed. So we can never win. *laughs*
SH: Well, the mini-set might be kind of a cool compromise.
MP: Yes, within an evening with that wouldn’t be a bad idea.
So Mike was NOT against the idea of doing such shows - only how they would be perceived by the general fanbase (much the same way you brought up about the WDaDU tracks) and would've probably included such a mini-set in the next Evening With tour, had he been a part of it. Now, it's anybody's guess what will happen.
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That all makes perfect sense to me.
Kev, on the issue of original versions of FII songs, I know they've done a few others as well. I know the original version (or at least a cross between the original and album version) of Lines In The Sand has been done on a few different tours. I'm almost positive there have been a couple of others as well, but I'm not coming up with anything off the top of my head. But I know for sure LITS has been done more than once since Jordan joined.
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That all makes perfect sense to me.
Kev, on the issue of original versions of FII songs, I know they've done a few others as well. I know the original version (or at least a cross between the original and album version) of Lines In The Sand has been done on a few different tours. I'm almost positive there have been a couple of others as well, but I'm not coming up with anything off the top of my head. But I know for sure LITS has been done more than once since Jordan joined.
They actually added the demo verse at the end of the song on the CiM tour. Might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure this is the version that's on CiM DVD.
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It might be. Don't forget about the recent Hollow Years using the Demo pre-chorus.
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@ hefdaddy
On the OiaLT Dvd, MP says that AL is his one of his favorite songs that they've written up to that point. I don't know if he would just disallow it. I mean, what reason would he have for that?
Although, didn't they disallow Disappear since it was too emotional or something? Could be for the same reason...
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Trial of Tears.
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@ hefdaddy
On the OiaLT Dvd, MP says that AL is his one of his favorite songs that they've written up to that point. I don't know if he would just disallow it. I mean, what reason would he have for that?
On that same DVD he mentioned that he thought it was too much of a Derek song to do now (notwithstanding the fact that JLB wrote the lyrics).
Although, didn't they disallow Disappear since it was too emotional or something? Could be for the same reason...
No, that's not why they stopped doing Disappear.
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MP said something like he wanted Disappear to be one of those rarefied (sp?) songs.
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In my opinion, I think the AMOUNT of rotation will change, but the band will still mix things up.
Again I will say this -- WE WERE SPOILED. What MP did for fans was pure spoiling because he has never forgotten (nor stopped) BEING a fan. So he went that extra mile.
It really isn't fair to expect that from the rest of the guys, although I am sure they will pick up the slack TO AN EXTENT. But damn folks, we were spoiled for the better part of a decade. Enjoy what we got, appreciate that the ride will continue and be happy it does.
I'm not saying to stifle your voice if you have a negative opinion of what comes next in regard to live shows, but for God's sake, remember that 99 percent of bands out there did NOWHERE NEAR what MP did for us, and it isn't fair to expect that from the band, nor be angry if they don't.
The band will move on, with its great virtuoso-type playing, the set lists will have the classics and new material, and while things will be familiar, they will also be a bit different, both personality and chemistry-wise. So a big tip of the hat to Mike Portnoy, but at least from this fan, I'm not expecting, and nor will I be mad, if Dream Theater does things a little more "traditionally" in the future.
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MP said something like he wanted Disappear to be one of those rarefied (sp?) songs.
Yup.
And I agree with Samsara.
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I have two - Burning My Soul (FII Demos version, the one that has a part of Hell's Kitchen as it's instrumental break) and 6:00.
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I'm not the only one who likes the Burning My Soul demo anymore?
:heart
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6:00
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I'm not the only one who likes the Burning My Soul demo anymore?
:heart
Absolutely not, there's not much I don't like in the FII demos. And I'd prefer to see this song over Hell's Kitchen itself personally...not only it'd turn out to be a unique setlist, but the song itself is so diverse with the aggressive sound and the amazing instrumental break.
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WISHLIST
Take the Time
Surrounded
Don't Look Past Me
The Mirror /
Lie
Peruvian Skies
Raise the Knife
Cover My Eyes
Fatal Tragedy
Blind Faith
Misunderstood
About to Crash
Stream of Consciousness
In the Name of God
The Root of All Evil
These Walls
Sacrificed Sons
In the Presence of Enemies
Forsaken
Prophets of War
These are all the sort of "slightly uncommon" songs that I've always wanted to see. Some of them I've seen and been psyched about, some of them I haven't.
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About To Crash isn't a song :neverusethis:
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Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence Pt. II: About to Crash
FTFY
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I would like to see lines in the sand.
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Whatever DT plays live, I am always in other world (maybe Octavarium would blow my head up)
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How could i forget blind faith
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About To Crash isn't a song :neverusethis:
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence Pt. II: About to Crash
FTFY
...let me fix my post.
These are all the sort of "slightly uncommon" bits of coherent soundnoise which can, feasably, be played live on their own without necessitating the corresponding movements of the particular song that they have been removed from, just as they can be listened to on their own (and have even been separately indexed to facilitate the possibility), and have been played on their own live more often than not on the most recent tour anyway (see also, Solitary Shell), so could very easily constitute individual songs were it not for the bigger picture that they belong to - but pedantry aside these are the chunks of music with their own separate names and choruses and what have you that I've always wanted to see. Some of them I've seen and been psyched about, some of them I haven't.
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So you could say 6doit is a suite about mental illness's
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The Final Countdown
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The Final Countdown
Seconded.
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Learning to Live or maybe Stream of Consciousness.
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So you could say 6doit is a suite about mental illness's
Doesn't a suite dictate more than one song?
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SIX DEGREES OF INNER TURBULENCE IS ONE SONG GODDAMMIT
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Was mike the only one who wanted to take a break from evening with shows
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Was mike the only one who wanted to take a break from evening with shows
I think JR said he didn't like it either...maybe the others too. I imagine it being a major stress on James.
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Maybe it's just me, but I really think that either Pull Me Under, Metropolis, or Learning to Live need to be played during the encore of every show.
It's just you. :tdwn
WOW.
I mean, god forbid every night the band encore with one of these three classics which EVERYONE loves.
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I've felt that either Metropolis, Pull Me Under, and/or the Spirit Carries On should be played at nearly every DT show. Those are pretty much the three biggest universal "hits" they have, but I wouldn't be thrilled with the encore being those songs all the time. I like the varied setlists too much, and I'd rather see some different encores now and then.
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Maybe it's just me, but I really think that either Pull Me Under, Metropolis, or Learning to Live need to be played during the encore of every show.
It's just you. :tdwn
WOW.
I mean, god forbid every night the band encore with one of these three classics which EVERYONE loves.
That's exactly right - one of the things I love about DT's setlists is that they are unpredictable, and what you are suggesting kills that very thing. Don't get me wrong - LtL is my favorite DT song of all time, but do I want to hear it at every show? No.
Does DT play each of those 3 songs enough? Absolutely - so there's no need to have some silly requirement that one of them be played at every show, and especially at a certain point in the show.
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Yeah, but Scotty, I think the thing you have to remember is that Images and Words and Awake still rank as favorites from older and newer fans alike. Those albums, for the majority of Dream Theater fans, almost always fall in the top 4 of anyone's list, no matter who you ask. That, and every night Dream Theater play, I'd guess that the majority of the crowd have not seen Dream Theater more than twice.
I'm not saying DT HAVE to play ALL those songs per night, but if it were my first time seeing DT as it was last year I'd have be sorely disappointed if I had seen one of those shows where, like a few on the last tour, there was NO pre-Scenes material AT ALL.
Sure Mike spoiled us fans but he was falling off, as most people who try and do it all eventually would. There were some shows, like I said, where there was NO pre-Jordan material played. Now if he were leaving room to debut new stuff, I'd say that's cool. I love the new stuff. Bring it on! Play all new stuff, and just encore with one or two old classics. I'm cool with that. Unfortunately, that's NOT what's been happening.
Case and point: Constant Motion, a song which almost everyone is sick of and has never really been that loved anyway, skyrocketted to one of the top most played Dream Theater songs ever this year.
Constant Motion, in the last three years, has been played more frequently than the following songs have been since they've been released: More than most of WDADU, half of Awake, half of Falling Into Infinity, half of Scenes, ALL of SDOIT, ALL of TOT Except As I Am, ALL of 8va except Panic Attack, ALL of SC, MORE than ANY Black Clouds song.
Even on the Black Clouds tour, Constant Motion was played more frequently than Black Clouds' single, "Wither." Constant Motion also ranked the 6TH most frequently played song on the BC&SL tour. What is up with that???
So, sure, I appreciate what Mike's done for us fans, even though I didn't get a chance to see most of the best stuff he did. But am I sad that he's not going to making the setlists anymore? Honestly, not really. Actually, not at all, if what's gone on the past two albums' tours was any indication of what the future would be like. I'm sorry, but on festivals most bands give fans the classics to make up for short setlists. Instead, we got some shows where there were NO classics and songs like Constant Motion rammed down our throats for the 150th (literally) time.
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Yeah, but Scotty, I think the thing you have to remember is that Images and Words and Awake still rank as favorites from older and newer fans alike. Those albums, for the majority of Dream Theater fans, almost always fall in the top 4 of anyone's list, no matter who you ask. That, and every night Dream Theater play, I'd guess that the majority of the crowd have not seen Dream Theater more than twice.
So? The fact that two albums are in a lot of people's top 4 seems like a relatively obscure statistic that doesn't really prove much.
Constant Motion, in the last three years, has been played more frequently than the following songs have been since they've been released: More than most of WDADU, half of Awake, half of Falling Into Infinity, half of Scenes, ALL of SDOIT, ALL of TOT Except As I Am, ALL of 8va except Panic Attack, ALL of SC, MORE than ANY Black Clouds song.
As it should be since it is one of their best songs and is as close to a "classic" as a progressive metal band is likely to have. What's the problem?
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Wow do you really think Constant Motion is one of their best songs?
I thought you were better than that :P
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Dang, I never got back to responding in this thread. Probably because I rarely check this section of the board...:lol
JLB mentioned on the 5YIAL commentary how great it would be to do something like that again, but predictably it never happened, probably because Portnoy didn't want to do it. With him out of the band and no longer calling the shots, hopefully they will do something like that again, even if it is just a handful of shows.
How quick we are to ASSume....
Actually, when I interview MP a little over a year ago (which I believe might actually see the light of day relatively soon, if the next issue of Voices does in fact come out soon...), this came up in the course of our conversation. Here's an excerpt from the interview:
SH: Speaking of the evening with shows, would you ever consider doing a tour where you do part of a set semi-acoustically, similar to how you did the Home for the Holidays shows in 1998 to maybe lighten things up a bit so that you could catch your breath?
MP: You know, that’s a good point. I hadn’t considered that for the “catching your breath” factor, but it does make sense. Yeah. I saw the thread wondering if we would ever do a tour like that again. Even for those shows, for those of you around back then when we did them, they were met with skepticism. Now a lot of people can see the DVD and say that was cool and awesome. But I remember at those shows having to take the mic and say “look – if you came for Pull Me Under and Metropolis, leave now – we’re not doing them.” And I remember a lot of people bitching and moaning “I went and saw Dream Theater and all they did was sit there and play all these songs I never heard before.” So yeah, the hardcore fans wanna hear the B-sides like Where Are You Now and covers like Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, but the majority of fans coming to see Dream Theater weren’t digging it. They went away kind of disappointed. So we can never win. *laughs*
SH: Well, the mini-set might be kind of a cool compromise.
MP: Yes, within an evening with that wouldn’t be a bad idea.
So Mike was NOT against the idea of doing such shows - only how they would be perceived by the general fanbase (much the same way you brought up about the WDaDU tracks) and would've probably included such a mini-set in the next Evening With tour, had he been a part of it. Now, it's anybody's guess what will happen.
Okay, but we will never know. Looks like you are ASSuming, too, as going from what Portnoy said to saying it probably wouldn't been included on the next tour when we will now never know is an awfully big leap. :biggrin:
Case and point: Constant Motion, a song which almost everyone is sick of and has never really been that loved anyway, skyrocketted to one of the top most played Dream Theater songs ever this year.
Constant Motion, in the last three years, has been played more frequently than the following songs have been since they've been released: More than most of WDADU, half of Awake, half of Falling Into Infinity, half of Scenes, ALL of SDOIT, ALL of TOT Except As I Am, ALL of 8va except Panic Attack, ALL of SC, MORE than ANY Black Clouds song.
Even on the Black Clouds tour, Constant Motion was played more frequently than Black Clouds' single, "Wither." Constant Motion also ranked the 6TH most frequently played song on the BC&SL tour. What is up with that???
So, sure, I appreciate what Mike's done for us fans, even though I didn't get a chance to see most of the best stuff he did. But am I sad that he's not going to making the setlists anymore? Honestly, not really. Actually, not at all, if what's gone on the past two albums' tours was any indication of what the future would be like. I'm sorry, but on festivals most bands give fans the classics to make up for short setlists. Instead, we got some shows where there were NO classics and songs like Constant Motion rammed down our throats for the 150th (literally) time.
Excellent points. It seemed like DT set list had gotten more predictable in recent years, with some exceptions of course, which maybe spoke about Portnoy's alleged disenchantment with the group. Maybe, maybe not. Either way, hopefully the rest of the band realizes what a stinker "Constant Motion" is and puts it to sleep for good (or at least mostly for good).
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One thing I started thinking about today... Mixing up the set list every night might not be possible with the new drummer. The new drummer is not going to be able to learn all of DT's discography before the tour. My guess is that at each show, we will see the entire album from beginning to end, and then most of the awesome closers; Metropolis, Learning to Live, In the Name Of God etc...
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As it should be since it is one of their best songs and is as close to a "classic" as a progressive metal band is likely to have. What's the problem?
Oh jeez. We're just not gonna agree.
I think Constant Motion is a terrible song. I understand why the band might have thought it'd be good to play in front of the Maiden fans, but, honestly, I don't think it worked to well for them. When Constant Motion came on I actually heard some guys next to me making fun of the band for just being a bunch of "Metallica clones."
That's what Constant Motion is: Dreamtallica.
Oh. Did I mention that I can't stand Metallica?
Either way, NO WAY Constant Motion is "as close to a classic as DT will ever have." Dream Theater already have plenty of classics, and I have a hard time imagining that they don't know which songs these are. Constant Motion isn't going to be one, ever.
Excellent points. It seemed like DT set list had gotten more predictable in recent years, with some exceptions of course, which maybe spoke about Portnoy's alleged disenchantment with the group. Maybe, maybe not. Either way, hopefully the rest of the band realizes what a stinker "Constant Motion" is and puts it to sleep for good (or at least mostly for good).
Yeah. For MOST shows on the PN10 tour, it seemed like the "rotation" was just between Hollow Years/Sacrificed Sons and Erotomania-Voices/DOET-Home. Since PT09 was my first show, as well as the first show of the person I was with and most of the people around us and whom we talked with in line, I'm so glad that I got Metropolis and Voices on my first night, because the seemed to start phasing Metropolis out after that. The next week I saw them again and they encored with Tuscany while closing out with ITNOG. It was still cool, but I think closing the set with Tuscany and encoring with one of those big songs everyone loves like Metropolis was MUCH more effective.
One thing I started thinking about today... Mixing up the set list every night might not be possible with the new drummer. The new drummer is not going to be able to learn all of DT's discography before the tour. My guess is that at each show, we will see the entire album from beginning to end, and then most of the awesome closers; Metropolis, Learning to Live, In the Name Of God etc...
Honestly, I'd rather get standard sets if they're not gonna play any classics. As much as I love DT, since they have so much material if they're playing a shorter set I want to know what I'm getting myself into. If the next tour is another "one set" tour, I don't want to worry about whether my city is getting "Blind Faith" or "The Ministry of Lost Souls."
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Perp. I think we'll get something similar to the last 2 tours. 3 or 4 new album standards with another 8 to 10 songs that rotate and fill out the rest of the set. From year to year, I don't want to see the same half a set.
Considering that they weren't doing Evening With shows, I thought the sets managed to stay fresh. It's true, however, that all sets are NOT created equal...
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Oh, I'm not saying that I don't like rotating sets, but when the band's got so much material and such a small time I'd much rather it be a given they play some classics. Heck, I'd go this far: the Black Clouds and Silver Linings shows would have been better if they played the new album in its entirety every night and just rotated an encore of Metropolis or Erotomania/Voices every night. That, I think, is better that a set where half of Black Clouds is played mixed in with some more Jordan era material and a Jordan-era encore.
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I thought of another thing that's going to disappear along with Mike. Live cover albums.
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I thought of another thing that's going to disappear along with Mike. Live cover albums.
Great..this just in..Avenged Sevenfold covered Moving Pictures last night!
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Not that the cover albums weren't cool after the fact, but, the thing is, many people who went to those shows and found out they were getting "covers" were a little unpleasantly surprised.
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I thought of another thing that's going to disappear along with Mike. Live cover albums.
Great..this just in..Avenged Sevenfold covered Moving Pictures last night!
Wait, for serious?
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PC, as far as I know, they only did 1 or 2 shows with no pre-Jordan music. You're making a bit of a mountain out of a molehill.
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ORLY?
I don't know. I didn't follow the sets every night, I just know that's how the sets were some nights. Maybe it isn't really that big of a deal, but if my first DT show featured only post-Scenes material I'd be very unhappy. Unless the setlist was an evening with feating all of Scenes, all of Six Degrees, and an encore of Octavarium and Tuscany.
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ORLY?
I don't know. I didn't follow the sets every night, I just know that's how the sets were some nights. Maybe it isn't really that big of a deal, but if my first DT show featured only post-Scenes material I'd be very unhappy. Unless the setlist was an evening with feating all of Scenes, all of Six Degrees, and an encore of Octavarium and Tuscany.
my first dt show was @ PN09... Hollow Years was my only pre 1999 song. and its funny cuz i was really hoping to hear them end it with PMU or Metropolis or LTL or some form of medley. here was my set:
1. A Nightmare to Remember
2. A Rite of Passage
3. Hollow Years '09
4. Prophets of War
5. Solitary Shell (w/ extended jam)
6. Beyond This Life/
7. Percussive Nation 2009/
8. BTL Jam/
9. Beyond This Life (reprise)
~~~encore~~~
10. The Count of Tuscany
yes we got Steve Vai and Dweezil + JP and JR dueling, and a bunch of guys banging on portnoy's kit, but i much rather had something from I&W / Awake in there. And TCOT as an encore was the biggest let down i have ever had.
Hell even if they encored with ItNoG or something of that sort i woulda been happy
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And TCOT as an encore was the biggest let down i have ever had.
Wow..then you've had it pretty good so far..I think.
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1. A Nightmare to Remember
2. A Rite of Passage
3. Hollow Years '09
4. Prophets of War
5. Solitary Shell (w/ extended jam)
6. Beyond This Life/
7. Percussive Nation 2009/
8. BTL Jam/
9. Beyond This Life (reprise)
~~~encore~~~
10. The Count of Tuscany
But this is a good point. If this was your first show, would you be happy? If DT posted this was going to be the setlist in advance, and you still hadn't bought your tickets yet, would you still buy 'em?
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Perp, I hear you, but other than that setlist only being 7 songs, it's still a great set. The standards were ANTR,AROP, & TCOT. That only leaves 4 spots open. Though POW could be considered weak, how can anyone argue with Hollow Years, Solitary Shell, and Beyond This Life?
Regardless,
DT is a "can't miss" show. If you see them enough, you get such a variety. I'm not willing to give that back to see the SAME 2 or 3 songs EVERY time I see them.
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ORLY?
I don't know. I didn't follow the sets every night, I just know that's how the sets were some nights. Maybe it isn't really that big of a deal, but if my first DT show featured only post-Scenes material I'd be very unhappy. Unless the setlist was an evening with feating all of Scenes, all of Six Degrees, and an encore of Octavarium and Tuscany.
my first dt show was @ PN09... Hollow Years was my only pre 1999 song. and its funny cuz i was really hoping to hear them end it with PMU or Metropolis or LTL or some form of medley. here was my set:
1. A Nightmare to Remember
2. A Rite of Passage
3. Hollow Years '09
4. Prophets of War
5. Solitary Shell (w/ extended jam)
6. Beyond This Life/
7. Percussive Nation 2009/
8. BTL Jam/
9. Beyond This Life (reprise)
~~~encore~~~
10. The Count of Tuscany
yes we got Steve Vai and Dweezil + JP and JR dueling, and a bunch of guys banging on portnoy's kit, but i much rather had something from I&W / Awake in there. And TCOT as an encore was the biggest let down i have ever had.
Hell even if they encored with ItNoG or something of that sort i woulda been happy
That was my first show, too. And it was amazing. The only problem was the 90-minute set. But still, it was arguably the best set of the tour, with all the guest appearances and everything. If not the best, than the most unique.
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If i were to have known what the set was in advanced, i still woulda gone... I'm just that dedicated... Like the Maiden tour set. wasnt the strongest but i still went...
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I agree. It was great to see As I Am, AROP, and Constant Motion live
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Man, watching everyone being sad about their setlist, I feel kinda blessed now that I got to see Hollow Years, Erotomania/Voices, and Metropolis. We got a pretty great setlist.
1. A Nightmare to Remember
2. Constant Motion
3. Beyond This Life
4. Hollow Years/Keyboard Solo
5. Erotomania
6. Voices
7. The Count of Tuscany
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8. Metropolis pt. 1
I think that was it. SOOOO GOOOOOOOOOOOOD
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Besides Beyond This Life (EWWWWWWWWWWW) and Constant Motion, it's not bad.
The PN show I went to had a better setlist though, I think
1. ANTR
2. ARoP
3. Hollow Years
4. Erotomania
5. Voices
6. Prophets of War
7. The Count of Tuscany
8. Metropolis
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I wish i could see that set
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At southampton we got erotomania, voices, CIAW, Metropolis/LTL/ACOS medley so I'm not complaining.
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Besides Beyond This Life (EWWWWWWWWWWW) and Constant Motion, it's not bad.
The PN show I went to had a better setlist though, I think
1. ANTR
2. ARoP
3. Hollow Years
4. Erotomania
5. Voices
6. Prophets of War
7. The Count of Tuscany
8. Metropolis
Hells yeah. Philly show right?
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Besides Beyond This Life (EWWWWWWWWWWW) and Constant Motion, it's not bad.
The PN show I went to had a better setlist though, I think
1. ANTR
2. ARoP
3. Hollow Years
4. Erotomania
5. Voices
6. Prophets of War
7. The Count of Tuscany
8. Metropolis
Hells yeah. Philly show right?
Yep.
Though in retrospect it could have been better
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Besides Beyond This Life (EWWWWWWWWWWW) and Constant Motion, it's not bad.
The PN show I went to had a better setlist though, I think
1. ANTR
2. ARoP
3. Hollow Years
4. Erotomania
5. Voices
6. Prophets of War
7. The Count of Tuscany
8. Metropolis
BtL is a decent song, and CM is fun live, I'll give it that. The fact you got PoW makes my setlist infinitely better. They could've played You Not Me at my show and it would've been better :biggrin:
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True.
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Besides Beyond This Life (EWWWWWWWWWWW) and Constant Motion, it's not bad.
The PN show I went to had a better setlist though, I think
1. ANTR
2. ARoP
3. Hollow Years
4. Erotomania
5. Voices
6. Prophets of War
7. The Count of Tuscany
8. Metropolis
BtL is a decent song, and CM is fun live, I'll give it that. The fact you got PoW makes my setlist infinitely better. They could've played You Not Me at my show and it would've been better :biggrin:
:umno:
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Besides Beyond This Life (EWWWWWWWWWWW) and Constant Motion, it's not bad.
The PN show I went to had a better setlist though, I think
1. ANTR
2. ARoP
3. Hollow Years
4. Erotomania
5. Voices
6. Prophets of War
7. The Count of Tuscany
8. Metropolis
Hells yeah. Philly show right?
Yep.
Though in retrospect it could have been better
Huh? How? I mean, PoW could be better but I thought we saw one of the best sets on that tour.
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Better in the sense that we could have gotten ITNOG. But they started playing it at the show right after this one >:(
Also yeah PoW is the only weak song in that set.
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oh lol. I saw the show in Jersey the next week so I'm good.
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I could live with this setlist every damn time. Best DT show I've seen of the 14.
https://www.mikeportnoy.com/dates/tourography/?show=766
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I could live with this setlist every damn time. Best DT show I've seen of the 14.
https://www.mikeportnoy.com/dates/tourography/?show=766
Yeah, that's pretty solid.
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On that same tour, the show where the guy fell off the balcony diving for Portnoy's drum stick, we got this set list:
band history video (intro tape)
1. As I Am
2. This Dying Soul
3. Caught in a Web
4. piano solo
5. Through My Words
6. Fatal Tragedy
7. Hollow Years (w/ extended guitar solo)
8. improvised jam
9. Under a Glass Moon
10. Endless Sacrifice
~~~intermission~~~
Dead Poets Society (intro tape)
11. A Change of Seasons
12. Another Day
13. Goodnight Kiss
15. Solitary Shell
15. Stream of Consciousness
16. In the Name of God
~~~encore~~~
17. Metropolis part 1
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Take out Stream of Consciousness and that's a golden set.
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The two shows I've seen we got these. One of course is the Iron Maiden set.
1. The Glass Prison
2. This Dying Soul
3. Panic Attack
4. Just Let Me Breathe
5. Under a Glass Moon
6. Never Enough
7. Endless Sacrifice
8. Home
~~~encore~~~
9. Pull Me Under/
10. Metropolis pt 1
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The Train Of Thought tour is their best. Every damn setlist is awesome.
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The two shows I've seen we got these. One of course is the Iron Maiden set.
1. The Glass Prison
2. This Dying Soul
3. Panic Attack
4. Just Let Me Breathe
5. Under a Glass Moon
6. Never Enough
7. Endless Sacrifice
8. Home
~~~encore~~~
9. Pull Me Under/
10. Metropolis pt 1
What that from the same tour as Score? I thought that they always concluded with Octaavarium. It's a shame you didn't get any epics.
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The two shows I've seen we got these. One of course is the Iron Maiden set.
1. The Glass Prison
2. This Dying Soul
3. Panic Attack
4. Just Let Me Breathe
5. Under a Glass Moon
6. Never Enough
7. Endless Sacrifice
8. Home
~~~encore~~~
9. Pull Me Under/
10. Metropolis pt 1
What that from the same tour as Score? I thought that they always concluded with Octaavarium. It's a shame you didn't get any epics.
I'm guessing it was a Gigantour show?
EDIT: Yeah this one https://www.mikeportnoy.com/dates/tourography/?show=830
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I thought that Gigantour limited them to about thirty minutes? From what I saw, DT only played TGP and PA.
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No, they co-headlined the tour and played for about 90 mins I think. They're the only two songs that got put onto the dvd though.
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Unfortunately, we got one of the 75 minute slots..
Gigantour was one of James' best!
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The Train Of Thought tour is their best. Every damn setlist is awesome.
Nah, the 6 Degrees tour was the best them.
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The Train Of Thought tour is their best. Every damn setlist is awesome.
Nah, the 6 Degrees tour was the best them.
Figures! The two f##king tours that I missed!
They both had great sets, but I'd lean towards the Train Of thought tour.
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The Train Of Thought tour is their best. Every damn setlist is awesome.
Nah, the 6 Degrees tour was the best them.
Figures! The two f##king tours that I missed!
They both had great sets, but I'd lean towards the Train Of thought tour.
Is there some massive archive that you guys are using for your information? I did a quick google search but got nothing. :-\
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Mikeportnoy.com under the tourography
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The Train Of Thought tour is their best. Every damn setlist is awesome.
Nah, the 6 Degrees tour was the best them.
Figures! The two f##king tours that I missed!
They both had great sets, but I'd lean towards the Train Of thought tour.
Both tours were the best in terms of setlists without a doubt, altho I have to say that the 8v tour was right up there! The Philly show just a few days before the Score show is one of my favorites (featuring LtL with an extended jam, PSkies with different Floyd/Metallica excerpts) and several other different tracks.
What does this mean? The Evening With tours were, without a doubt, the best ones DT has done. Will be curious to see if they do Evening With tours without MP - I'd be very surprised if they'd do it on their first tour with their new drummer considering how much material he'd have to learn (altho I realize he'd have the time to practice and learn the songs).
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They'd better do 'An Evening With...'
After having a 90 minute set and then being an opening act, they need to do longer shows
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They'd better do 'An Evening With...'
After having a 90 minute set and then being an opening act, they need to do longer shows
You're preaching to the choir, tho I wouldn't count on it. We'll probably see 2 hour sets with 1 or 2 opening acts ala the Chaos in Motion tour.
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They'd better do 'An Evening With...'
After having a 90 minute set and then being an opening act, they need to do longer shows
You're preaching to the choir, tho I wouldn't count on it. We'll probably see 2 hour sets with 1 or 2 opening acts ala the Chaos in Motion tour.
THAT I wouldn't mind. The 90-minute felt like it just needed two or three more songs to be a complete concert.
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I agree that I wouldn't expect Dream Theater to do an Evening With tour right out of the gate in 2011/2012.
But that's exactly why they SHOULD do it. It would prove that Dream Theater is still the best band in the world, full of surprises, carrying on in full force and it would leave the fans in complete shock and awe.
Let's not kid ourselves. DT has an enormous challenge ahead of themsevles in this new phase of their career. But they've always been a band that rises to challenges, performs the impossible and gravitates toward the unexpected. I hope they continue this tradition.
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Disappear, if only they would play it. :angel:
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Having another evening with tour again would be pretty effing sweet.
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Yes since the only times I saw them were with gigantour and maiden. Although the gigantour time would be good for me if they get an opening band
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I just hope they'll play Hell's Kitchen now that mike won't say NO!
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Just to weigh in on a couple of disputes earlier in this thread (sorry for being late to the table):
Hell's Kitchen: I'm surprised to hear that MP refused to play Hell's Kitchen in its entirety. I saw the full song played in 1998 at Toad's Place, and it rocked. So he has put it the setlist before.
Anna Lee: I always thought MP wanted to bring this song back into the setlists, but I figured he never found the right tour to fit it in. In a DVD audio commentary MP gives high praise to the song and its Beatles-like vibe, and mentions that he would like to play it again soon.
You Not Me: In the FII official bootleg liner notes, Mike calls the original demo version a cool tune and says to look for its return in future live sets. (I was so excited by this proclaimation that when I met MP at a meet and greet, I told him that I was looking forward to it being played very soon. MP, however, did not respond and just looked at me with glazed over eyes. I think he might have just been burned out, as it was the last date on ProgNation 09)
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Would it be correct to assumed that most of the songs that has Mike's back vocals won't be played anytime soon?
Also songs with Mike's personal lyrics like the AA suite, Constant Motion and ACoS is probably out of the question now.
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Would it be correct to assumed that most of the songs that has Mike's back vocals won't be played anytime soon?
Also songs with Mike's personal lyrics like the AA suite, Constant Motion and ACoS is probably out of the question now.
Why? Songs with Kevin Moore's lyrics have been played since he left the band. Aside from something like The Best of Times (equivalent to Kevin's Space Dye Vest), I don't see any reason why the band wouldn't consider playing the songs you've listed. I do think out of respect for MP that they'll hold off on performing the 12 Step Suite in it's entirety until he returns.
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I agree. With the exception of TBOT and maybe some of the 12 Steps songs, they've played the hell out of everything else to the point where they aren't necessarily MP songs anymore, but part of the DT live catalogue. Not much reason to avoid playing them. Except for Constant Motion, of course.
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The only 12 step song I can see not being played is The Shattered Fortress
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I could live with this setlist every damn time. Best DT show I've seen of the 14.
https://www.mikeportnoy.com/dates/tourography/?show=766
That was my first concert. :metal
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Hell's Kitchen: I'm surprised to hear that MP refused to play Hell's Kitchen in its entirety.
He didn't.
I do think out of respect for MP that they'll hold off on performing the 12 Step Suite in it's entirety until he returns.
This is one of the very few times I'll ever disagree with you when it comes to DT-related info, but: Dude, he's not coming back.
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Who's going to do MP's vocal parts in the 12-step songs, CM, etc? The only options are JP and the new drummer, and I sure hope they don't pick the new drummer solely on the criteria that he has an awesome "harsh" voice.
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Who's going to do MP's vocal parts in the 12-step songs, CM, etc? The only options are JP and the new drummer, and I sure hope they don't pick the new drummer solely on the criteria that he has an awesome "harsh" voice.
They aren't idiots. They know what they're looking for.
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Who's going to do MP's vocal parts in the 12-step songs, CM, etc? The only options are JP and the new drummer, and I sure hope they don't pick the new drummer solely on the criteria that he has an awesome "harsh" voice.
I really doubt they'll play too much of the 12 step songs from now on, simply from a logistics point of view.
As far as songs like CM, Petrucci can probably do the trade off stuff. None of portnoys harmonies are too important.
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Who's going to do MP's vocal parts in the 12-step songs, CM, etc? The only options are JP and the new drummer, and I sure hope they don't pick the new drummer solely on the criteria that he has an awesome "harsh" voice.
They aren't idiots. They know what they're looking for.
Actually, what I meant to say is that I hope that isn't part of the criteria AT ALL.
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Who's going to do MP's vocal parts in the 12-step songs, CM, etc? The only options are JP and the new drummer, and I sure hope they don't pick the new drummer solely on the criteria that he has an awesome "harsh" voice.
I really doubt they'll play too much of the 12 step songs from now on, simply from a logistics point of view.
As far as songs like CM, Petrucci can probably do the trade off stuff. None of portnoys harmonies are too important.
It would be a shame if we don't hear Glass Prison again. And JP had as much to do with that song as MP did. I don't think they'll play the whole thing, but I don't think anybody would mind if they played one of those songs every other tour or something.
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Well they might play TGP, but they'd have to re-distribute the vox, because it's split 3 ways as of now.
TDS shouldn't be too hard, but I don't think they have much of a reason to play it, they haven't in a while I don't think.
They could play TROAE, I guess.
They won't play Repentence, well....probably for the same reason they've barely played it already.
They'll probably never play TSF, for obvious reasons.
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I dunno. I've said before that I think it would be awesome if they did a "mini-12SS" with TGP going right into TSF. You get a lot of the best of the suite that way without eating up such a huge chunk of the set by playing the whole thing. Obviously, with Mike out, it's less likely than it otherwise might be. But I don't know that they necessarily wouldn't do it without Mike being in the band. I don't think they necessarily have to exclude any particular song (other than probably TBOT). But I guess I could see them feeling like playing some things like the 12-Step songs might just be too touchy. Either way, not a big deal if you ask me. Yeah, they're great songs that would be great to see live. But it's not like DT don't have enough other material to keep their sets interesting from now until whenever they ultimately decide to call it quits.
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I dunno. I've said before that I think it would be awesome if they did a "mini-12SS" with TGP going right into TSF. You get a lot of the best of the suite that way without eating up such a huge chunk of the set by playing the whole thing. Obviously, with Mike out, it's less likely than it otherwise might be. But I don't know that they necessarily wouldn't do it without Mike being in the band. I don't think they necessarily have to exclude any particular song (other than probably TBOT). But I guess I could see them feeling like playing some things like the 12-Step songs might just be too touchy. Either way, not a big deal if you ask me. Yeah, they're great songs that would be great to see live. But it's not like DT don't have enough other material to keep their sets interesting from now until whenever they ultimately decide to call it quits.
Oh I don't think its a big deal either. I figured we wouldn't have heard Repentence even WITH mike in the band unless they did the whole suite.
As for TSF, I just can't picture JP going "INVENTORY!!!!!!!"
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I dunno. I've said before that I think it would be awesome if they did a "mini-12SS" with TGP going right into TSF. You get a lot of the best of the suite that way without eating up such a huge chunk of the set by playing the whole thing. Obviously, with Mike out, it's less likely than it otherwise might be. But I don't know that they necessarily wouldn't do it without Mike being in the band. I don't think they necessarily have to exclude any particular song (other than probably TBOT). But I guess I could see them feeling like playing some things like the 12-Step songs might just be too touchy. Either way, not a big deal if you ask me. Yeah, they're great songs that would be great to see live. But it's not like DT don't have enough other material to keep their sets interesting from now until whenever they ultimately decide to call it quits.
Oh I don't think its a big deal either. I figured we wouldn't have heard Repentence even WITH mike in the band unless they did the whole suite.
As for TSF, I just can't picture JP going "INVENTORY!!!!!!!"
John Myung is going to do it
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SELF RESTRAINT!
Show some.
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I'd actually really like to see them do stuff from the first album. So far I've only seen Ytse Jam and Fortune In Lies...I'd really like to see a little Light Fuse and Get Away or Status Seeker...or...shit it's actually been so long since I listened to it I don't remember any other song titles :P
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I could live with this setlist every damn time. Best DT show I've seen of the 14.
https://www.mikeportnoy.com/dates/tourography/?show=766
Oh hey, I was at this one. AWESOME setlist. AFiL? Mirror? Finally Free? Met. I? A Mind Beside Itself? ITNoG? ACoS? All at the same show? We were treated like kings!
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Mike was the main person involved in the set lists every night, and was pretty involved in the process even choosing songs based on the last time they played in a city.
So what now? Do you think they will just play a standard set list, or will they continue to switch songs from night to night?
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Ocatavarium for me. That would be awesome to get that one live.
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Metropolis!
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Metropolis!
Actually, this. It's a tried-and-true classic which I've yet to see them perform.
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Metropolis!
Actually, this. It's a tried-and-true classic which I've yet to see them perform.
The extended jam is fucking awesome
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Metropolis!
Actually, this. It's a tried-and-true classic which I've yet to see them perform.
The extended jam is fucking awesome
I'm sure it is. I've never seen Dream Theater jam before. The only thing out-of-the-ordinary (which was ordinary on the tour, I think) I've seen them (er, Mike Portnoy) do was play Iron Maiden's "Where Eagles Dare"'s intro at the end of the big ending to "Home" (I think) on the Black Clouds & Silver Anniversary Tour.
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I saw it ProgNation 09. If that's the only time I'll have seen Metropolis, it was well worth it. I'm sure you'll get it
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I think SDV would now be possible to hear in DT consert because JR and JLB perform this song in Tarrytown NY.
or what you think?
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I don't care for the song too much. Of course with all the mystique surrounding it, it'd be cool to say I've seen it, but on a personal level I don't care all that much.
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six degrees...once was not enough
maybe even with an extended solo section :biggrin:
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I want to see them play:
Only A Matter of Time
6:00
Wither
Take Away My Pain
Anna Lee
New Millennium
Another Day
Through Her Eyes
Octavarium
Disappear
Prophets of War
Repentance
Vacant/Stream of Consciousness
In no particular order.
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Now that it's back on the table:
Space-Dye Vest
WITH the samples. They HAVE to be in there
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Now that it's back on the table:
Space-Dye Vest
WITH the samples. They HAVE to be in there
100% agree
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The Great Debate! However live they could cut out the sample voices. I think it adds to the song at home and when I listen to the whole album I listen to the song all the way through, but I would love to hear this song live.
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There's ONLY 12 songs that I still "need" to see DT perform:
Don't Look Past Me
Status Seeker
Light Fuse & Get Away
Only A Matter of Time (have only seen as partial part of medley)
Space Dye Vest
You Not Me
Take Away My Pain
Where Are You Now
Wither
The Best of Times
The Shatterred Fortress
Raw Dog
Anything else they play is gravy! :metal
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There's ONLY 12 songs that I still "need" to see DT perform:
Don't Look Past Me
Status Seeker
Light Fuse & Get Away
Only A Matter of Time (have only seen as partial part of medley)
Space Dye Vest
The Best of Times
Don't count on any of these.
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There's ONLY 12 songs that I still "need" to see DT perform:
Don't Look Past Me
Status Seeker
Light Fuse & Get Away
Only A Matter of Time (have only seen as partial part of medley)
Space Dye Vest
The Best of Times
Don't count on any of these.
You forgot to keep Raw Dog with those
Worst song DT has made apart from SoC
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I'd quite like to see some Raw Dogging done. ;)
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Same here...it'd be rockin.
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There's ONLY 12 songs that I still "need" to see DT perform:
Don't Look Past Me
Status Seeker
Light Fuse & Get Away
Only A Matter of Time (have only seen as partial part of medley)
Space Dye Vest
The Best of Times
Don't count on any of these.
You forgot to keep Raw Dog with those
Worst song DT has made apart from SoC
This, but include SoC
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SIX DEGREES OF INNER TURBULENCE IS ONE SONG GODDAMMIT
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/InsistentTerminology
The best example... they play Solitary Shell live on its own. It has a unique chorus and melody. It has a complete verse / chorus structure and a solo.
Six Degrees is a song, yes. Big long forty-minute long doohickey. Solitary Shell's a song too. They even indexed it separately purely to let you - the listener - listen to it on its own.
It's music. It's an ambiguous concept. Appending a silly word to it doesn't make any difference to how it sounds, and it's so cloudy a "thing" that it can be loads of different things at once dependent on context or mood or whether there's an F in the month. The fans care about the terminology way more than the band ever have. You can call Solitary Shell whatever the christ you like and it's still the same bit of music. I like to call it a "Reginald." Six Degrees is a "Parsley." Which are at once both the same thing and completely different.
I'm firmly in the "I don't really care for a second what SDOIT is, let's all go listen to About to Crash" camp.
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It's one song because the band said it was one song :P
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Totally.
Doesn't preclude ATC from being a song too.
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They should stop this MP's obsessive compulsive thing and also remove his signature songs: the full AA suite, The mirror, The best of times, Honor thy father, and play Wait for sleep/Learning to live, Scarred/Space-dye vest, full versions of Take the time and Metropolis Pt.1, You not me and Anna Lee.
IMHO.
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They should stop this MP's obsessive compulsive thing and also remove his signature songs: the full AA suite, The mirror, The best of times, Honor thy father, and play Wait for sleep/Learning to live, Scarred/Space-dye vest, full versions of Take the time and Metropolis Pt.1, You not me and Anna Lee.
IMHO.
I have no idea what you are trying to say with your overall post, other than what they should and should not play. And I have to say, that list is very..."off," for lack of a better term.
-12 Step Suite: Some of those songs are fan favorites that a LOT of people like having played. There is no reason why they shouldn't play those songs.
-The Mirror: Great song. Fans love it. There's no reason to not play it.
-The Best of Times: Yeah, very personal song for Mike. I doubt they'd play it, and that's probably for the best.
-HTF: Not quite as personal and emotional as TBOT, but kind of in a similar vein. Still, they've played it in the past, and I wouldn't be shocked if they played it again because I'm pretty sure JP likes it.
-Wait for Sleep: Why wouldn't they play it? They've played it before and I wouldn't be surprised if they played it again. But what does this have to do with Mike?
-Learning to Live: Same.
-Scarred: Same. Except that JP doesn't like playing it, so I can actually see it being pulled from the sets now that Mike is no longer around to write sets that include it.
-Space Dye Vest: I don't really care.
-Full version of Take The Time: I'm fine with the edit because it only excludes the part that is impossible to sing anyway. But, as with other songs above, (a) there's no reason to believe it won't be played again, and (b) what does this even have to do with Mike?
-Full version of Metropolis: Yet again, it's been played a ton in the past and (a) there's no reason to believe it won't be played again, and (b) what does this even have to do with Mike?
-You Not Me: The vast majority of fans would be thrilled if this never got played.
-Anna Lee: I would love for this to be included, as would a lot of others. I believe Mike said awhile back that it would likely show up in a future set. Not sure how the rest of the band feels about it.
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They should stop this MP's obsessive compulsive thing and also remove his signature songs: the full AA suite, The mirror, The best of times, Honor thy father, and play Wait for sleep/Learning to live, Scarred/Space-dye vest, full versions of Take the time and Metropolis Pt.1, You not me and Anna Lee.
IMHO.
I have no idea what you are trying to say with your overall post, other than what they should and should not play. And I have to say, that list is very..."off," for lack of a better term.
-12 Step Suite: Some of those songs are fan favorites that a LOT of people like having played. There is no reason why they shouldn't play those songs.
-The Mirror: Great song. Fans love it. There's no reason to not play it.
-The Best of Times: Yeah, very personal song for Mike. I doubt they'd play it, and that's probably for the best.
-HTF: Not quite as personal and emotional as TBOT, but kind of in a similar vein. Still, they've played it in the past, and I wouldn't be shocked if they played it again because I'm pretty sure JP likes it.
-Wait for Sleep: Why wouldn't they play it? They've played it before and I wouldn't be surprised if they played it again. But what does this have to do with Mike?
-Learning to Live: Same.
-Scarred: Same. Except that JP doesn't like playing it, so I can actually see it being pulled from the sets now that Mike is no longer around to write sets that include it.
-Space Dye Vest: I don't really care.
-Full version of Take The Time: I'm fine with the edit because it only excludes the part that is impossible to sing anyway. But, as with other songs above, (a) there's no reason to believe it won't be played again, and (b) what does this even have to do with Mike?
-Full version of Metropolis: Yet again, it's been played a ton in the past and (a) there's no reason to believe it won't be played again, and (b) what does this even have to do with Mike?
-You Not Me: The vast majority of fans would be thrilled if this never got played.
-Anna Lee: I would love for this to be included, as would a lot of others. I believe Mike said awhile back that it would likely show up in a future set. Not sure how the rest of the band feels about it.
I think that post was supposed to be a joke (albeit a poorly worded one).
Most of those songs are unaffiliated with Mike, and who the fuck would suggest that Dream Theater shouldn't play LtL?
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They should stop this MP's obsessive compulsive thing and also remove his signature songs: the full AA suite, The mirror, The best of times, Honor thy father, and play Wait for sleep/Learning to live, Scarred/Space-dye vest, full versions of Take the time and Metropolis Pt.1, You not me and Anna Lee.
IMHO.
I have no idea what you are trying to say with your overall post, other than what they should and should not play. And I have to say, that list is very..."off," for lack of a better term.
-12 Step Suite: Some of those songs are fan favorites that a LOT of people like having played. There is no reason why they shouldn't play those songs.
-The Mirror: Great song. Fans love it. There's no reason to not play it.
-The Best of Times: Yeah, very personal song for Mike. I doubt they'd play it, and that's probably for the best.
-HTF: Not quite as personal and emotional as TBOT, but kind of in a similar vein. Still, they've played it in the past, and I wouldn't be shocked if they played it again because I'm pretty sure JP likes it.
-Wait for Sleep: Why wouldn't they play it? They've played it before and I wouldn't be surprised if they played it again. But what does this have to do with Mike?
-Learning to Live: Same.
-Scarred: Same. Except that JP doesn't like playing it, so I can actually see it being pulled from the sets now that Mike is no longer around to write sets that include it.
-Space Dye Vest: I don't really care.
-Full version of Take The Time: I'm fine with the edit because it only excludes the part that is impossible to sing anyway. But, as with other songs above, (a) there's no reason to believe it won't be played again, and (b) what does this even have to do with Mike?
-Full version of Metropolis: Yet again, it's been played a ton in the past and (a) there's no reason to believe it won't be played again, and (b) what does this even have to do with Mike?
-You Not Me: The vast majority of fans would be thrilled if this never got played.
-Anna Lee: I would love for this to be included, as would a lot of others. I believe Mike said awhile back that it would likely show up in a future set. Not sure how the rest of the band feels about it.
Gotta respectfully disagree with you here Bosk....First of all, the poster said they SHOULD play Wait for sleep/Learning to live, Scarred/Space-dye vest, full versions of Take the time and Metropolis Pt.1, You not me and Anna Lee.
Secondly, I am in 100% agreement, that for THIS upcoming tour cycle (at least) they should NOT play any of MP's "signature" songs like the ones mentioned. I really don't wanna see any of the 12 step songs or The Mirror, played without MP (let's face it, you know as well as everyone that at some point, MP WILL return). :hefdaddy
Finally, I guess I am in the major minority here, but I'd LOVE to see You Not Me played on this tour! Why? Because it's one of the 12 DT songs I've never seen played live before. That's what I'm about when I go to see DT. It's not about "hearing the hits", or the "classics"...sure, they're cool, but I want to see stuff I've never seen played before. So bring on, "Don't Look Past Me", "Status Seeker", "Light Fuse And Get Away", "Only A Matter of Time", "Space Dye Vest", "You Not Me", "Take Away My Pain", "Where Are You Now", "Wither" & "Raw Dog"!!! :tup
I'll patiently wait for MP to return to see "The Shattered Fortress" (to close out the 12 step suite in it's entirety) & "The Best of Times" ;)
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Gotta respectfully disagree with you here Bosk....First of all, the poster said they SHOULD play Wait for sleep/Learning to live, Scarred/Space-dye vest, full versions of Take the time and Metropolis Pt.1, You not me and Anna Lee.
I know. My point is, there is already precedent for most of those, and an expressed desire for others, so why wouldn't they?
Secondly, I am in 100% agreement, that for THIS upcoming tour cycle (at least) they should NOT play any of MP's "signature" songs like the ones mentioned. I really don't wanna see any of the 12 step songs or The Mirror, played without MP
Okay. Well, as I said above, I don't get that sentiment at all and I think it would just be depriving fans of good music most of us want to hear for no good reason I can see. Why would they do that?
let's face it, you know as well as everyone that at some point, MP WILL return
I highly doubt it. Barring him doing just a guest spot at some point down the road or playing at a "reunion" show in the distant future if the band ever disbands and then gets back together after a significant amount of time has passed, I would be shocked if we ever see Mike Portnoy in DT again. You may feel free to correct me if it ever happens, but I feel very confident that that day will never arrive.
Finally, I guess I am in the major minority here, but I'd LOVE to see You Not Me played on this tour! Why? Because it's one of the 12 DT songs I've never seen played live before.
That's fine. Your logic in general is great. A lot of us love the rarities. But the reason you are, as you acknowledged, in the minority with regard to that particular song is because it is generally considered to be a bad song. I don't want to hear a bad song just because it is rare (and this is one of very few DT songs I would consider a "bad" song). Does that mean it won't be played? I don't know. But, again, most fans would be just fine never hearing this song in a live set.
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I'd like to see them do something similar to that recent Opeth tour DVD:
Start with an entire classic album (either I&W, Awake, FII, SFAM, 6DOIT, 8VM) for act 1, then a song from every other album in order for act 2. Maybe in between the two acts they could play 3 or 4 of the songs from the new record, or some covers / rarities.
But TBH as long as they play for 4 hours every night I couldn't care less what songs they play :P
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They had better keep Honor Thy Father. Its one of their heaviest songs that's well structured.
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I'm in the minoroty, and much prefer "You Or Me" over "You Not Me." But require to hear either live at some point for my mission to fulfilled.
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I'm in the minoroty, and much prefer "You Or Me" over "You Not Me." But require to hear either live at some point for my mission to fulfilled.
I actually agree with you
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I'd like to see them do something similar to that recent Opeth tour DVD:
Start with an entire classic album (either I&W, Awake, FII, SFAM, 6DOIT, 8VM) for act 1, then a song from every other album in order for act 2. Maybe in between the two acts they could play 3 or 4 of the songs from the new record, or some covers / rarities.
But TBH as long as they play for 4 hours every night I couldn't care less what songs they play :P
That would be totally tits, but I think Live Scenes from New York kinda touches on that idea, Including ACoS.
If they did that again, or in your case like RAH by Opeth, they would have to pull out some rare cuts that, if I'm not mistaken by the earlier posts in the thread, some of the band members don't even like.
Perhaps someone should start a thread on this idea, and see what everyone comes up with.
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Home, A change of seasons, count of tuscany, and space dye vest please ;D
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So now that we have seen yesterday's setlist we can start speculating what will change for the rest of the tour.
Assuming they keep the one song per album format:
I could see ANTR instead of TCOT
Spirit instead of FT? Maybe Home?
CIAW is probably almost a nightly thing
Other than that I don't know much about DT setlists beyond their Chaos in Motion tour
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I think DT is in full melodic mode now. After the new album release, we're gonna see a massive ADTOE setlist, filled up with the old glories from I&W, Awake and FII, with some surprises like Space-dye vest, Anna Lee, Raise the knife, To live forever and Don't look past me. I really got this strong feeling and it got me very excited.
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I think DT is in full melodic mode now. After the new album release, we're gonna see a massive ADTOE setlist, filled up with the old glories from I&W, Awake and FII, with some surprises like Space-dye vest, Anna Lee, Raise the knife, To live forever and Don't look past me. I really got this strong feeling and it got me very excited.
Were I James, I would not like the idea of singing Don't Look Past Me. That song is awfully difficult!
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I think DT is in full melodic mode now. After the new album release, we're gonna see a massive ADTOE setlist, filled up with the old glories from I&W, Awake and FII, with some surprises like Space-dye vest, Anna Lee, Raise the knife, To live forever and Don't look past me. I really got this strong feeling and it got me very excited.
Were I James, I would not like the idea of singing Don't Look Past Me. That song is awfully difficult!
Yes it is. As beautiful as difficult.
Just wishful thinking.
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I think DT is in full melodic mode now. After the new album release, we're gonna see a massive ADTOE setlist, filled up with the old glories from I&W, Awake and FII, with some surprises like Space-dye vest, Anna Lee, Raise the knife, To live forever and Don't look past me. I really got this strong feeling and it got me very excited.
They already said there's no plans to do B sides or anything anytime soon.
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I think DT is in full melodic mode now. After the new album release, we're gonna see a massive ADTOE setlist, filled up with the old glories from I&W, Awake and FII, with some surprises like Space-dye vest, Anna Lee, Raise the knife, To live forever and Don't look past me. I really got this strong feeling and it got me very excited.
They already said there's no plans to do B sides or anything anytime soon.
I never said soon. I am thinking of the next months.
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Lets see what we got folks. What will they play?
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2 Hours, 35 minutes (approx.)
Under A Glass Moon
On The Backs of Angels
Forsaken
Endless Sacrifice
Drum Solo
Ytse Jam
Outcry
Home
Trial of Tears
The Great Debate
Far From Heaven/
Breaking All Illusions
Innocence Faded
Wither
Octavarium
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Metropolis, Pt. 1
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2 Hours, 35 minutes (approx.)
Under A Glass Moon
On The Backs of Angels
Forsaken
Endless Sacrifice
Drum Solo
Ytse Jam
Outcry
Home
Trial of Tears
The Great Debate
Far From Heaven/
Breaking All Illusions
Innocence Faded
Wither
Octavarium
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Metropolis, Pt. 1
I would die to hear this setlist :o Love it!!
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Lets see what we got folks. What will they play?
Well, since they will only be playing about 2 hours, I think the setlist will be something like this:
Under A Glass Moon
These Walls
On The Backs of Angels
Endless Sacrifice
Drum Solo / Ytse Jam
Outcry
Wither
Peruvian Skies
The Great Debate
Caught In A Web
The Spirit Carries On
Lost Not Forgotten
In The Presence of Enemies
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Far From Heaven
Breaking All Illusions
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Are they going to be keeping the same songs from the European tour? I like the set list they got. Only problem is I know what to expect kinda wanted a surprise for my first DT concert. That's what I get for browsing the forums so much :P
2 hours is awesome, I hope they can go 2.5 more DT the better. I would suspect Trivium will play for hour?
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2 Hours, 35 minutes (approx.)
Under A Glass Moon
On The Backs of Angels
Forsaken
Endless Sacrifice
Drum Solo
Ytse Jam
Outcry
Home
Trial of Tears
The Great Debate
Far From Heaven/
Breaking All Illusions
Innocence Faded
Wither
Octavarium
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Metropolis, Pt. 1
This would be awesome.
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They will likely change up a few songs here or there, while keeping the 'one song from every album' they've been doing so far this cycle.
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It'll probably be similar to the Europe leg. I can see their encore being Far From Heaven and Breaking All Illusions, meaning they'd consistently end their main set with The Great Debate, Learning To Live, or Metropolis.
I don't see The Count Of Tuscany being played this time around. Same with Ytse Jam, but given that one's much shorter, who knows?
Peruvian Skies, Caught In A Web, Fatal Tragedy, and Under A Glass Moon will probably all stay on the setlist. There's a decent chance These Walls, Forsaken, and Endless Sacrifice will as well, but I'm less attached to those songs.
Other than FFH/BAI, I bet they'll consistently play OTBOA, BMUBMD, and probably two other new songs. Probably LNF, Outcry, or Bridges In The Sky. Beneath The Surface and This Is The Life won't be played right away, a la Wither.
I really don't know which older songs might be added, if any, but I'm holding out for Hell's Kitchen.
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Or they might switch out new songs with new songs....and old with old...
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2 Hours, 35 minutes (approx.)
Under A Glass Moon
On The Backs of Angels
Forsaken
Endless Sacrifice
Drum Solo
Ytse Jam
Outcry
Home
Trial of Tears
The Great Debate
Far From Heaven/
Breaking All Illusions
Innocence Faded
Wither
Octavarium
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Metropolis, Pt. 1
Could be very likely!
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Still will believe it when I see it as far as them playing Home, Octavarium, or anything else that Portnoy wrote lyrics for... We'll see! Time will tell...
Under a Glass Moon
Innocence Faded
Outcry
Forsaken
Endless Sacrifice (seems like this or As I Am from Train of Thought are the only two options, would love ItNoG or SoC though!)
YTSE Jam and Drums
A Rite of Passage (Will they play Tuscany? Maybe not, Nightmare? Maybe not, leaves this and Wither?)
The Great Debate
Panic Attack
Far From Heaven
Breaking All Illusions
On the Backs of Angles
Hells Kitchen
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Wait for Sleep
Learning to Live
:metal :xbones
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2 Hours, 35 minutes (approx.)
Under A Glass Moon
On The Backs of Angels
Forsaken
Endless Sacrifice
Drum Solo
Ytse Jam
Outcry
Home
Trial of Tears
The Great Debate
Far From Heaven/
Breaking All Illusions
Innocence Faded
Wither
Octavarium
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Metropolis, Pt. 1
YES. I'd switch Octavarium with Metropolis to be the encore though.
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On The Backs of Angels
Build Me Up Break Me Down
Forsaken
Fatal Tradegy
This is the Life
These Walls
Endless Sacrifice
Hell's Kitchen
Lines In The Sand
Blind Faith
Ytsejam
Outcry
The Mirror
Lie
The Great Debate
Breaking All Illusions
Beneath The Surface
Encore...
Metropolis Part 1.
2 hours 30 minutes.
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Kind of a mix of new songs and the Euro setlist with some additions.
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I'll make mine around 2 hours cause I haven't heard the new songs yet to be able to tell which ones I'd like to see go in a set list. It seems like most of you got the album in advance somehow?
Ytse Jam
Metropolis
Fatal Tragedy
The Dance of Eternity
In The Presense of Enemies
Wither
A Mind Beside Itself
Under a Glass Moon
Endless Sacrifice
The Count of Tuscany
-encore-
Vacant/SOC
Learning to Live
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I'll make mine around 2 hours cause I haven't heard the new songs yet to be able to tell which ones I'd like to see go in a set list. It seems like most of you got the album in advance somehow?
Ytse Jam
Metropolis
Fatal Tragedy
The Dance of Eternity
In The Presense of Enemies
Wither
A Mind Beside Itself
Under a Glass Moon
Endless Sacrifice
The Count of Tuscany
-encore-
Vacant/SOC
Learning to Live
never..... :angel:
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I know :lol
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I hope they put together an entirely different set list to the one they played on the European leg. I know they will play OTBOA and if the new CD is heavy, I hope they play a good chunk of that. As for older stuff, it's all good to me. The Glass Prison would be nice.
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I've been ignoring everything to do with ADTOE so this setlist is highly unlikely, but feel free to slot in ADTOE songs while reading.
The Test That Stumped Them All
A Nightmare To Remember
The Dance Of Eternity
Stargazer
Erotomania
Trial Of Tears
The Best Of Times (whether they'd do this without Portnoy out of respect idk)
Pull Me Under
Fatal Tragedy
The Count Of Tuscany
Octavarium
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Overture 1928
Metropolis Pt. 1
2:20ish.
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I've been ignoring everything to do with ADTOE so this setlist is highly unlikely, but feel free to slot in ADTOE songs while reading.
The Test That Stumped Them All
A Nightmare To Remember
The Dance Of Eternity
Stargazer
Erotomania
Trial Of Tears
The Best Of Times (whether they'd do this without Portnoy out of respect idk)
Pull Me Under
Fatal Tragedy
The Count Of Tuscany
Octavarium
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Overture 1928
Metropolis Pt. 1
2:20ish.
I don't think you understand how unlikely this setlist is.
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There is no way they "waste" precious minutes to cover other band's song on a regular basis. They could play something from Rush's catalogue in the Canadian dates, though. :tup
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I've been ignoring everything to do with ADTOE so this setlist is highly unlikely, but feel free to slot in ADTOE songs while reading.
The Test That Stumped Them All
A Nightmare To Remember
The Dance Of Eternity
Stargazer
Erotomania
Trial Of Tears
The Best Of Times (whether they'd do this without Portnoy out of respect idk)
Pull Me Under
Fatal Tragedy
The Count Of Tuscany
Octavarium
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Overture 1928
Metropolis Pt. 1
2:20ish.
Someone left the setlist in the dryer!!!! :omg:
I certainly wouldn't mind that set but, this is like a bizarro world DT setlist :lol
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Thinking that the set list will be heavy on the new album and hoping that they repeat some songs from the European tour that I would like to see... my thoughts...
On the Backs of Angels
Under a Glass Moon
These Walls
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Drum Solo
6:00
Forsaken
The Great Debate
Bridges in the Sky
Wither
Beyond this Life
Anna Lee
Outcry
Encore:
Far from Heaven
Breaking All Illusions
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Beyond this Life
Anna Lee
Outcry
in that order? That would be nuts!
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Beyond this Life
Anna Lee
Outcry
WTF
Anyway, probably something like this. Haven't heard anything off of ADTOE (apart from OTBOA), but this is based purely on what I've heard, read;
Bridges in the Sky
Under a Glass Moon
Forsaken
Endless Sacrifice
Lost Not Forgotten
Peruvian Skies
The Great Debate
On the Backs of Angels
Caught in a Web
Through My Words
Fatal Tragedy
Breaking all Illusions
The Count of Tuscany
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Learning to Live
2:20 approx.
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Beyond this Life
Anna Lee
Outcry
in that order? That would be nuts!
If Beyond this Life can flow into Through my Words, it can flow into Anna Lee! ha!
Seriously though I'd be slightly surprised to see Anna Lee...consider that wishful thinking as it'd be nice to hear something other than Lines in the Sand, Trail of Tears, Hollow Years or Peruvian Skies since they've all been played out on recent tours... some more than others. Beyond this Life... haven't heard that in a while so I tossed it in. I wouldn't be surprised if they played the exact same songs from the European tour over here... with some taken out and replaced with ADTOE songs.
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As most of us know, the setlist is more or less set in stone this time around. So I think this type of thread is appropriate, and could be interesting to see if anyone is able to guess the setlist.
All we know for sure is that JR said they'll play Outcry.
The songs that they played at the festival shows were:
Under A Glass Moon
Caught In A Web
Fatal Tragedy
The Great Debate
These Walls
Forsaken
Through My Words
Endless Sacrifice
The Count of Tuscany
Ytse Jam
Peruvian Skies
Mike Mangini Drum Solo
Learning to Live
Metropolis
Anyway, here's my prediction:
I can see ADTOE songs taking up about half the setlist. I think we'll see Outcry (confirmed), OTBOA (the single), LNF (works great as an opener), BAI (the mainepic), and BMUBMD (probably the second single). That brings us to about 50 minutes, assuming we have about 90-100 minutes for the full show.
As far as the other songs, I think we'll get Ytse Jam and the accompanying Mangini solo. After that, I think we'll need a good closer/encore, depending on which spot BAI takes. Metropolis, LTL, or TCOT are good contenders for this, although TCOT has been the encore for a while now, and LTL is very similar to BAI so I dunno if it makes it less likely to be played.
But anyway, here's my setlist:
1. Lost Not Forgotten
2. Build Me Up, Break Me Down
3. Wither
4. Ytse Jam/Solo
5. On the Backs of Angels
6. Caught in a Web
7. Take Away My Pain
8. Outcry
9. Peruvian Skies
10. Breaking All Illusions
11. Metropolis Pt 1
It all adds up to between 90-100 minutes.
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Maybe a bit long...
Bridges In The Sky
Forsaken
Lost Not Forgotten
Erotomania
Voices
Beneath The Surface
Endless Sacrifice
Drum Solo
Ytse Jam
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Metropolis Pt.1
Hell's Kitchen
On The Backs Of Angels
Sacrified Sons
Far From Heaven
Breaking All Illusion
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The Spirit Carries On
Outcry
I would be satisfied with this one :tup
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Yeah.... I'm not going to get the times exact, but here's roughly what I see happening :biggrin:
BITS
Lie
Misunderstood
OTBOA
Home
Constant Motion (bummer) :lol
Drum solo
Ministry of Lost Souls
Outcry
LNF/UAGM Medley....(yeah... I'm calling it!!!)
Far from heaven
Breaking All Illusions
encore
Metropolis Pt. 1
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Yeah.... I'm not going to get the times exact, but here's roughly what I see happening :biggrin:
BITS
Lie
Misunderstood
OTBOA
Home
Constant Motion (bummer) :lol
Drum solo
Outcry
Ministry of Lost Souls
LNF/UAGM Medley....(yeah... I'm calling it!!!)
Far from heaven
Breaking All Illusions
encore
Metropolis Pt. 1
So are we bringing MP-penned songs back?
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Has anyone in the band said we weren't? I know we've speculated. I think if any, the AA songs may not be played.
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Has anyone in the band said we weren't? I know we've speculated. I think if any, the AA songs may not be played.
Actually no one did, but I have a feeling that there's more than what have been said on that subject (and I'm not hinting at the speculated lawsuit or whatever has been discussed on the DT vs. Law thread a while ago :lol).
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Yeah, tough to speculate if those legalities exist.
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one thing.
Lost Not Forgotten to open. it just has to.
well maybe it's just me wishing for it, but it would be so incredible to open a show!
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one thing.
Lost Not Forgotten to open. it just has to.
well maybe it's just me wishing for it, but it would be so incredible to open a show!
There's no intro to a show more epic than Bridges's. And I say this as a fact :angel:
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Maybe a bit long...
Bridges In The Sky
Forsaken
Lost Not Forgotten
Erotomania
Voices
Beneath The Surface
Endless Sacrifice
Drum Solo
Ytse Jam
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Metropolis Pt.1
Hell's Kitchen
On The Backs Of Angels
Sacrified Sons
Far From Heaven
Breaking All Illusion
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The Spirit Carries On
Outcry
I would be satisfied with this one :tup
this would be awesome, except maybe change BAI and Outcry
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Has anyone in the band said we weren't? I know we've speculated. I think if any, the AA songs may not be played.
Actually no one did, but I have a feeling that there's more than what have been said on that subject (and I'm not hinting at the speculated lawsuit or whatever has been discussed on the DT vs. Law thread a while ago :lol).
I'm not sure why this is so hard to grasp, as it's been said over and over again, but I'll repeat it once again here:
1. There is no law suit. None.
2. There are no legal reasons why songs penned by MP cannot be played. None.
3. IF the band has decided not to play them (and that's a big "if" that we have no evidence of), the only likely reason I can come up with is, again, they are still working out rights relating to Mike, and it is easier to work out all the other stuff if they just leave songs alone for now that he may feel emotionally attached to. IF this is the case (and we're just speculating if we assume that it is), there is no reason any of those songs won't come back in the future--with the exception of the fact that they may simply just decide not to play certain ones just because it feels weird playing them without him. (TBOT, for example)
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James hinted in an recent interview that they'll be opening with Bridges In The Sky. Which pleases me.
Let's see....
Bridges In The Sky
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Under A Glass Moon
These Walls
Forsaken
Endless Sacrifice
Outcry
Caught In A Web
Through My Words
Fatal Tragedy
The Great Debate
On The Backs Of Angels
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Far From Heaven
Breaking All Illusions
Kept most of the songs from this summer because North American audiences haven't seen them yet. Took out The Count Of Tuscany (and a couple others) to make room for the new songs.
I expect that for their inevitable DVD later on next year, the setlist will look similar to this as well, though probably (hopefully!) in an expanded "An Evening With" format...
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Has anyone in the band said we weren't? I know we've speculated. I think if any, the AA songs may not be played.
Actually no one did, but I have a feeling that there's more than what have been said on that subject (and I'm not hinting at the speculated lawsuit or whatever has been discussed on the DT vs. Law thread a while ago :lol).
I'm not sure why this is so hard to grasp, as it's been said over and over again, but I'll repeat it once again here:
1. There is no law suit. None.
2. There are no legal reasons why songs penned by MP cannot be played. None.
3. IF the band has decided not to play them (and that's a big "if" that we have no evidence of), the only likely reason I can come up with is, again, they are still working out rights relating to Mike, and it is easier to work out all the other stuff if they just leave songs alone for now that he may feel emotionally attached to. IF this is the case (and we're just speculating if we assume that it is), there is no reason any of those songs won't come back in the future--with the exception of the fact that they may simply just decide not to play certain ones just because it feels weird playing them without him. (TBOT, for example)
I don't know, it's very likely that I phrased my post very wrong, but what you say is exactly what I meant. I said I was not hinting at the supposed legal issues between the MP and band as the primary reason for the latter's choice of leaving out certain songs for the same reasons you explain in point 1 and 2.
When I said that "there's more that has been said" I meant exactly what you said in point 3. The overall message of my post was that in my opinion the band may judge (and we are still moving in the realm of speculation) times to be still to come to bring those songs back. Hence my post.
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Let's try keeping it simpler:
Opening Song: Bridges in the Sky
Last Song: Metropolis 1
Encore 1: Breaking All Illusions
Encore 2: Beneath the Surface (with JP on an actual acoustic guitar)
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Bridges in the Sky 11:01
Build Me Up Break Me Down 6:59
Forsaken 5:36
The Great Debate 13:46
This Is The Life 6:57
Take The Time 8:21
On The Backs Of Angels 8:42
Peruvian Skies 6:43
The Dance Of Eternity 6:14
--Intermission--
Drum Solo 5:00 approx.
Ytse Jam 5:47
Lost Not Forgotten 10:12
I Walk Beside You 4:29
As I Am 7:48
Outcry 11:24
Innocence Faded 5:42
Far From Heaven 3:56
Breaking All Illusions 12:26
-- Encore--
Learning To Live 11:30
Beneath The Surface 5:26
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Not a "wish list", just what I think they'll play (since it looks as if Outcry will be played, I replaced Lost Not Forgotten with it)
1) Bridges In The Sky
2) Outcry
3) Caught In A Web
4) Endless Sacrifice
5) Drum solo - YTSE JAM
6) On The Backs of Angels
7) The Great Debate
8) Peruvian Skies
9) Beneath The Surface
10) Breaking All Illusions
encore:
11) The Spirit Carries On
12) Learning To Live
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All we know for sure is that JR said they'll play Outcry.
I'm just curious. I missed this. Where did he say that?
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All we know for sure is that JR said they'll play Outcry.
I'm just curious. I missed this. Where did he say that?
During his latest Vokle chat. He said that the song will be a blast live! ;)
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This is not really a prediction, it's what I'd like to see, with trying to be a bit realistic.
1. On the backs of angels
2. Build me up, break me down
3. Beyond this life
4. Blind faith
5. Wither
6. Bridges in the sky
7. Outcry
8. Caught in a web
9. Stream of consciousness
10. Breaking all illusions
11. Pull me under
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12. Octavarium
It's two hours and 15 minutes, which is just as long as the show I saw this year.
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Bridges in the Sky 11:01
Build Me Up Break Me Down 6:59
Forsaken 5:36
The Great Debate 13:46
This Is The Life 6:57
Take The Time 8:21
On The Backs Of Angels 8:42
Peruvian Skies 6:43
The Dance Of Eternity 6:14
--Intermission--
Drum Solo 5:00 approx.
Ytse Jam 5:47
Lost Not Forgotten 10:12
I Walk Beside You 4:29
As I Am 7:48
Outcry 11:24
Innocence Faded 5:42
Far From Heaven 3:56
Breaking All Illusions 12:26
-- Encore--
Learning To Live 11:30
Beneath The Surface 5:26
Almost perfect!!! Only Metropolis instead of BTS ;)
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We're probably not going to get a song from every album like before due to this being a proper tour to support ADTOE. We'll probably get a nice mix of stuff plus a few newies.
Bridges In The Sky
These Walls
Innocence Faded
Outcry
Endless Sacrifice
Wither
On The Backs of Angels
Blind Faith
The Spirit Carries On
Breaking All Illusions
Beneath The Surface
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Learning To Live/Metropolis in rotation.
And no, I don't think we'll get any MP-penned songs. Or Medleys. That screams "Mike Portnoy's idea) at me.
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I am having a really tough time coming up with a realistic set list. Based on the European shows and how long they would likely play with one opening act anyway, we should probably expect a set of around 2 hours. They will almost surely play 4-5 songs from the new album. My thoughts on the likely new songs:
-On The Backs Of Angels (8:43): An obviously choice. They like to play their album openers, and they like to play their lead singles. This song is both.
-Build Me Up/Break Me Down (6:59): Just a gut feeling this one will be included. It is relatively short. It's up tempo and fun. And it's a total James moment.
-Bridges In The Sky (11:01): I think this one is likely because James has been talking about it, and it seems like it would go over well live.
-Outcry (11:24): Nothing really to go on here other than the fact that it is total DT instrumental craziness for a good portion, but still with prominent vocal parts. This song just seems like it screams out to be played live, and I see the guys having a lot of fun with it.
-Beneath The Surface (5:25): Nice, short ballad. I think they will likely choose one of the softer songs from the album. If I'm being completely honest with myself, Far From Heaven might be a likely choice since it is shorter, and it really packs an emotional punch. But it is easily my least favorite, so I'm being biased and hoping for BTS or TITL, and BTS is shorter, so I'm going with it.
These total about 43:33 if we go with the album track times. That leaves about 1:16:27. I think the choice pickings are the European songs and anything from the auditions since those are all relatively fresh in EVERYONE's minds.
I have to say, while I would be fine if they cut Ytsejam/drum solo, I think they will keep that combo. 1. I think they want to give Mangini a solo spot to show him off and validate their choice. 2. Even with the long instrumental passages in a lot of songs, I think they want to keep an instrumental in the set.
TCOT is a mystery to me. On one hand, with a lot of the new material from the last album, and with them having played TCOT on the European tour and a lot on the BCSL tour, I could see it being cut. Then again, since they didn't do a formal BCSL tour in the U.S., maybe they will keep a BCSL song in the set. If they sub it out for another, I think it will be ANTR because it is a great live song and Mangini has played it. Still, I'm going with "cut." It makes enough space for 2 of the ADTOE songs.
The other places that seem likely to cut from the Euro sets would be either Endless Sacrifice or the SFAM songs. I'm fine with either of those, to be honest. I thought TGD might also be a likely choice, but Mangini seemed to really enjoy playing that one, so maybe they'll keep it. Of ES or the SFAM, it's hard to say. I think JP really likes both. I'm just going to roll the dice and say cut ES.
So here's my set, in no particular play order:
Under A Glass Moon
These Walls
Forsaken
Ytsejam->drum solo
Peruvian Skies
The Great Debate
Caught In A Web
Through My Words->Fatal Tragedy
Learning To Live/Metropolis (encore)
with the five songs from the new album
That's a solid 2 hours of music. Maybe just a bit too long, so maybe there's still just a bit of trimming that still needs to be done. I know it's kind of safe given what they've recently played, but honestly, that's what I think they'll do. So for the record, that's my call for the set list. 2 days left to see how close I am.
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Bridges in the Sky
These Walls
Caught In A Web
Endless Sacrifice
Outcry or Lost, Not forgotten
Drum Solo/Ytse Jam
On the Backs of Angels
Peruvian Skies
Through My Words
Fatal Tragedy
Beneath the Surface
The Count of Tuscany
Encore
Breaking all Illusions
Learning to Live or Metropolis
I think that's gonna end up being pretty close.
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On the Backs of Angels
These Walls
Forsaken
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Peruvian Skies
Ytse Jam
Drum Solo
Bridges in the Sky
The Great Debate
Wither
Caught in a Web
Outcry
Fatal Tragedy
Vacant
Breaking All Illusions
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Metropolis Part 1
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So...I've seen there already is a thread regarding the "guess the setlist" subject so i'm trying a different one...
I'd like to know from you guys what songs would you love to hear live this tour....of course, I'm not counting the new album as I'd really love they'd play it in its entirety (and it's quite obvious they're gonna play most of those songs), and I'm NOT following the old MP rule that songs played in previously tours (if not even on a venue-to-venue basis) should not be played on this one. No max number of songs, just put a wishlist.
So, let's move on. In a chronological album release order I'd love to hear:
Light fuse and get away
Only a matter of time
Take the time
Surrounded
Lifting shadows off a dream
Erotomania/Voices/The silent man (original acoustic musical miracle LOL!!!)
Scarred
You OR me ------> yes the original one :-P
Just let me breathe
Trial of tears
Strange deja-vu (+ overture?)
Through her eyes
Home
The dance of eternity
Finally free
Solitary shell
Blind faith
Misunderstood
About to crash/Losing time/Grand finale
Octavarium
A nightmare to remember
Raise the knife
Speak to me
Take your fingers from my hair (yes I know, it's a Zebra's song form the special edition of BC&SL and I don't think they'll ever play covers again, but this one truly rocks!!!!)
Nothing from "Train of thought" or "Systematic chaos" and just 3 songs from their last 4 albums (ADTOE not counted)???? Yup that's it...I'm just not interested in hearing those tunes ever again...especially SC stuff ::)
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I'll stick to DT songs (no covers)
These 10 songs are the only songs I have NOT seen DT play live yet :( (not counting the new cd and of course, The Shattered Fortress or Best of Times which won't get played)
1. Light Fuse and Get Away
2. Only a Matter of Time
3. Status Seeker
4. Don't Look Past Me
5. Space Dye Vest
6. You Not Me (or the original You OR Me)
7. Take Away My Pain
8. Where Are You Now
9. Wither
10. Raw Dog
Other songs I'd like to see (that I haven't seen much of)
YTSE JAM
The Mirror
A Change of Seasons :hefdaddy
Anna Lee
Overture 1928
Through Her Eyes
About to Crash (reprise)/Losing Time/Grand Finale
A Stream of Consciousness
In The Name of God
These Walls
In the Presence of Enemies, Pts. 1 & 2
Of course, I have favorites like everyone does, and if they get played that's cool, but all of the above songs are ones that in my 30+ DT shows I've seen much less than others.
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doesn't really matter what they play.they could play anna lee,raw dog,you not me,all of WDADU and i would still have a good time..i am such a fanboy it makes me sick..lol...seriously though i would LOVE to see them play BITS.
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I'm not really too fussed what they play, as long as I get to hear Metropolis or LTL. They're my 2 favourite songs, I'd be gutted if I missed out on either of them again - especially after one or the other was played most nights of the Summer tour in Europe. I'm guessing they'll carry on with them through the US tour as well, hopefully they don't get sick of them!
I love the new album, so whatever they play from that will be cool, especially BAI, BITS and OTBOA
But if I had to pick a list of songs I'd love to see:
Metropolis
Learning To Live
Octavarium
In the Name of God
Breaking All Illusions
In The Presence of Enemies
A Change Of Seasons
Endless Sacrifice
Bridges in the Sky
The Glass Prison
Sacrificed Sons
Under A Glass Moon
The Ministry of Lost Souls
On the Backs of Angels
Beyond this life
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6:00
Light Fuse and Get Away
Scarred
Lines In The Sand
Lost Not Forgotten
On The Backs of Angels
Far From Heaven
Breaking All Illusions
You Or Me
Anna Lee
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Metropolis Pt. 1
Learning to Live
Trial of Tears
ACOS
Scarred
Breaking All Illusions
Home
Space Dye Vest ;)
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Metropolis Pt. 1
Learning to Live
Trial of Tears
ACOS
Scarred
Breaking All Illusions
Home
Space Dye Vest ;)
LOL would you imagine what would happen if they were to play that song?
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Beneath the Surface (with JP on an actual acoustic guitar)
I called it! Real acoustic guitar! What do I win?
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I think that On the Backs of Angels and BMU, BMD will definitely stay. BAI and Outcry will probably stay, but something has to be removed if they add either LNF or TITL (which I think they will), or else the setlist will contain nearly two thirds of ADTOE. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Bridges will actually be removed. While I seriously doubt this will happen, I went back through DT's tourography and noticed that they have never kept the same opening song two North American tours in a row. However, that may have been MP's doing.
Other than that, I just hope that TCOT somehow finds its way back into the setlist, but I doubt it.
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I think it will be similar to the Asian setlists. I just want to hear The Dark Eternal Night. That sounds like it'd be a kickass song to hear live
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I do think it will be pretty similar, but Mangini did post on Facebook that he was learning new songs for the North American leg.
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I do think it will be pretty similar, but Mangini did post on Facebook that he was learning new songs for the North American leg.
Surrounded > Another Day
Pull Me Under > Take The Time
A Fortune In Lies will most likely stay where it is.
BAI isn't going anywhere, they would be crazy to remove that one!
Outcry > Lost Not Forgotten
On The Backs Of Angels or BMUBMD > This Is The Life
I have a feeling that the acoustic set might be dropped in favour of a faster paced centerpiece, that may very well be Lost Not Forgotten
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I would be so happy with those songs. I know that Another Day isn't the easiest song for James to sing anymore, but I want to see it live so badly.
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I'm not sure how many cities DT are returning to for the 2nd leg. I was at the Warfield for the first show and they are coming back. I'm hoping for completely different songs but its not guaranteed.
All the ADTOE songs that were played on the first U.S Leg will be swapped. So no On the Backs of Angels, BMUBMD, Bridges in the Sky, Outcry, Breaking All Illusions, Far From Heaven, and Beneath the Surface.
Now the first 8 shows of the 1st U.S. Leg either got Outcry or Breaking All Illusions, all other shows they decided to play both. I was at the SF show and only got Outcry. Since they're returning to the Warfield they will play BAI. A venue specific song! The acoustic sets were also alternated. SF got Silent Man and Beneath the Surface first time. It will be Wait For Sleep and Far Heaven.
They will also play the songs from the 2nd European Leg and current Asian Leg.
6:00, Surrounded, Root of All Evil, A Fortune in Lies, War Inside My Head, Test That Stumped Them All, The Spirit Carries On.
Also add in Lost Not Forgotten and This is the Life and mystery song.
1. New Opener
2. 6:00
3. This is the Life
4. Surrounded
5. The Root of All Evil
Drum Solo
6. A Fortune in Lies
7. Lost Not Forgotten
8. Wait For Sleep
9. Far From Heaven
10. New Song
11. War Inside My Head
12. The Test That Stumped Them All
13. The Spirit Carries On
14. Breaking All Illusions
15. Pull Me Under
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No way are they going to get rid of Bridges In The Sky. Or at least I hope they don't
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i would be disappointed if its too much like the last leg, although i would like to see some of the songs they did in europe..
as long as sf gets BAI im good, but since i saw the last sf show and am seeing both the 2nd sf show and the chester, PA show, im hoping for a little variety..
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Hm.
As I Am
6:00
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Surrounded
The Root Of All Evil / The Dark Eternal Night
A Fortune In Lies
Lost Not Forgotten
Peruvian Skies
On The Backs Of Angels
War Inside My Head
The Test That Stumped Them All
The Spirit Carries On
Breaking All Illusions
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Pull Me Under
Of course, this precludes there being any new songs. I imagine This Is The Life will show up somewhere. I'd love Peruvian Skies (and hell, The Count too) to show up in North America, but maybe not. Otherwise, Take The Time is another likely candidate from I&W. I hate Another Day, so I really don't want to see that one.
We'll see.
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I'm betting we'll get the same as this past European leg, with a few variations. I'm thinking As I Am will trade with something other than Pull Me Under (since they've already done PMU in the States). Maybe Metropolis or (I really hope) Learning To Live. I hope they keep Fortune because I really want to see that live. I hope they drop Dark Eternal Night and just keep Root of All Evil.
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I'm just hoping TSCO stays. My wife never got to hear it and it's her favorite.
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I think we'll get a transition like the first European leg to the first North American leg. MM said he has been learning new songs for the North American Tour, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a whole new base setlist of older tunes.
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I think we'll get a transition like the first European leg to the first North American leg. MM said he has been learning new songs for the North American Tour, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a whole new base setlist of older tunes.
Mmm don't think so. It says right in their promo that the tour is in support of ADTOE so I would expect at least 6 from that. I would bet that the rest of the set will be shaken up though....but what do I know? :|
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I'd be disappointed if they repeat any song from the previous US leg especially since I'm seeing them in the same venue.
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I think we'll get a transition like the first European leg to the first North American leg. MM said he has been learning new songs for the North American Tour, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a whole new base setlist of older tunes.
Mmm don't think so. It says right in their promo that the tour is in support of ADTOE so I would expect at least 6 from that. I would bet that the rest of the set will be shaken up though....but what do I know? :|
You just said the same thing I did. It's pretty obvious they're going to keep ADTOE songs in rotation. I just made the case that "I wouldn't be surprised to see a whole new base setlist of older tunes," which excludes ADTOE songs since I used the term older. I expect a setlist shake up of older tunes while they keep playing the standard ADTOE songs, whatever those songs may be.
I expect a new opener besides Bridges, though, maybe The Glass Prison (since As I Am was played as the encore song a few tours ago)?
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Do we see some kind of Images medley for the 20th anniversary?
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I'm not sure. MP was the one that like medleys, and JP has expressed distaste for them. Then again, who knows?
However, I think there will simply be one or two songs in the set from I&W rather than a medley.
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I'm calling Glass Prison as the show opener. Especially now that we know a DVD is being filmed at some show within this upcoming tour.
Firstly, it is a great opener, and secondly, it has not been on any official DT dvd.
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I'm calling Glass Prison as the show opener. Especially now that we know a DVD is being filmed at some show within this upcoming tour.
Firstly, it is a great opener, and secondly, it has not been on any official DT dvd.
And third, it is due to be put back into the sets. It hasn't been played since 2006, if I recall correctly.
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I think we'll get a transition like the first European leg to the first North American leg. MM said he has been learning new songs for the North American Tour, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a whole new base setlist of older tunes.
Mmm don't think so. It says right in their promo that the tour is in support of ADTOE so I would expect at least 6 from that. I would bet that the rest of the set will be shaken up though....but what do I know? :|
You just said the same thing I did. It's pretty obvious they're going to keep ADTOE songs in rotation. I just made the case that "I wouldn't be surprised to see a whole new base setlist of older tunes," which excludes ADTOE songs since I used the term older. I expect a setlist shake up of older tunes while they keep playing the standard ADTOE songs, whatever those songs may be.
I expect a new opener besides Bridges, though, maybe The Glass Prison (since As I Am was played as the encore song a few tours ago)?
I would still expect to see Bridges open, but perhaps This Is The Life and Lost Not Forgotten would likley replace BMUBMD and OTBOA/Outcry.
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They're not going be replacing On the Backs of Angels any time soon - it's the signature track from their latest album, it's pretty much a shoe-in for the DVD. Not going to open with The Glass Prison, either. Might worm its way in somewhere (maybe first track after the acoustic break?) but Bridges in the Sky is almost as vital as OtBoA - to the live show, possibly more vital.
I can't really see them going wild on the Images and Words stuff either. Maybe one extra song, at a stretch, but an album's anniversary is kind of a non-event. It's not like an album can die, there's no accomplishment, it's just a number. I'd be looking more in the direction of Black Clouds & Silver Linings if I were a betting man, seeing as none of the songs on that album have ever been committed to a DVD. Big album, of course - lots of long songs, but I'd imagine one of A Rite of Passage or Wither, and one of A Nightmare to Remember or The Count of Tuscany.
Honestly - this is such a silly thing, but I really hope they keep The Root of All Evil, just 'cos I love the new ending. I'd quite like them to keep The Dark Eternal Night too, just 'cos of Petrucci's backing vocals instead of Mike Portnoy's, and War Inside My Head for the transition from Backs of Angels. First on the chopping block, though, I fear.
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According to setlist.fm they seem to have dropped The Dark Eternal Night from the setlist, probably to make room for the extended (awesome!) guitar solo before TSCO!
https://www.setlist.fm/search?query=dream+theater
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I can't ever trust setlistfm anywhere. I would rather prefer to wait for someone who went to report a set then setlistfm, which could be incorrectly altered.
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Could just be a curfew thing, of course. They've had to drop songs in Japan before.
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I can't ever trust setlistfm anywhere. I would rather prefer to wait for someone who went to report a set then setlistfm, which could be incorrectly altered.
True. Actually, I'm quite concerned with the TOTAL lack of any video from any of the three Japan shows. Total camera ban?
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According to setlist.fm they seem to have dropped The Dark Eternal Night from the setlist, probably to make room for the extended (awesome!) guitar solo before TSCO!
https://www.setlist.fm/search?query=dream+theater
Well, they had been rotating it with The Root Of All Evil, which has shown up. Come to think, I don't think they've played As I Am either, though they have played Wait For Sleep / Far From Heaven.
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According to setlist.fm they seem to have dropped The Dark Eternal Night from the setlist, probably to make room for the extended (awesome!) guitar solo before TSCO!
https://www.setlist.fm/search?query=dream+theater
Well, they had been rotating it with The Root Of All Evil, which has shown up. Come to think, I don't think they've played As I Am either, though they have played Wait For Sleep / Far From Heaven.
If we trust setlist.fm they did yesterday. https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2012/shibuya-ax-shibuya-japan-23de58c3.html
It seems that they are a bit fonder of set A than set B, as I am myself :lol
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I think we'll see the rotation of Metropolis and LtL on the next NA leg, as was done first time round Europe.
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I also think they should take the Drum Solo out of the set. I think Mangini has been well-introduced to the world.
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^ This I agree with, especially since this is the second NA tour, and he did a drum solo last time. While I am glad I witnessed it once, it is time to replace it with one more song.
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Unlikely to happen, they kept the solo (albeit a different composition) for the 2nd European leg.
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BITS is a great opener which I don't see them changing, especially for an ADTOE-focused DVD.
TGP would be an amazing start of the second half of the set following the acoustic break. :tup
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Unlikely to happen, they kept the solo (albeit a different composition) for the 2nd European leg.
Well, it was the first leg after ADTOE was released. You could argue that most of the European fans didn't make it out to the first leg since the majority of the performances were festivals and not true DT headlining shows.
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Don't get me wrong, I think the solo should make way for a different song, and there's certainly logic in your argument, but I just have a feeling it won't be dropped.
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Don't get me wrong, I think the solo should make way for a different song, and there's certainly logic in your argument, but I just have a feeling it won't be dropped.
I don't think they'll drop it either, but I can certainly hope they will. If not this tour, then hopefully by the time the next world tour rolls around.
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If we trust setlist.fm they did yesterday. https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2012/shibuya-ax-shibuya-japan-23de58c3.html
It seems that they are a bit fonder of set A than set B, as I am myself :lol
I'd be perfectly happy with that set.
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I would love that set but of course I'd prefer more of a shakeup. I can't see them straying from the format of a Drum Solo, Acoustic, and opening with BITS. How many repeat venues are they playing in?
SF got Outcry and no BAI. I predict the opposite. For the acoustic set we got TSM/BTS now we'll get FFH/WFS.
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I would love that set but of course I'd prefer more of a shakeup. I can't see them straying from the format of a Drum Solo, Acoustic, and opening with BITS. How many repeat venues are they playing in?
SF got Outcry and no BAI. I predict the opposite. For the acoustic set we got TSM/BTS now we'll get FFH/WFS.
I love the acoustic thing, 'cos a. it's a bit different, and b. it creates a sort of act break. As does the drum solo, actually.
Bridges in the Sky is almost guaranteed as an opener, I'd think. They might start rotating Outcry and Build Me Up, Break Me Down with Lost Not Forgotten and This is the Life, but they're not going to start chopping out all the A Dramatic Turn of Events songs any time soon, not so close to the DVD recording. My guess is something like this...
1. Bridges in the Sky
2. 6:00
3. This is the Life / Build Me Up, Break Me Down (rotating)
4. A Rite of Passage*
5. The Root of All Evil
--drum solo--
6. A Fortune in Lies / Ytse Jam (rotating)
7. Outcry
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8. Wait For Sleep / The Silent Man (rotating)
9. Far from Heaven / Beneath the Surface (rotating)
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(A.) A Nightmare to Remember
10. On the Backs of Angels
11. Breaking All Illusions
(B.) The Count of Tuscany
--encore--
13. No idea! In the Name of God?
*Maybe rotating with Wither.
So they've got all the tentpoles of their previous sets, eliminated The Dark Eternal Night which they played on the last DVD and every night on the CiM tour (as much as I love it!), most of A Dramatic Turn of Events, a good chunk of Black Clouds & Silver Linings, (none of which has been committed to DVD, so I think two tracks per show is a very safe bet,) and you can cobble it all together into a fairly coherent setlist.
My one concern is that there's a lot of newer stuff when you replace the wildcards with BCSL stuff. I think there'll probably be less of a skew towards the last two albums than in my guess. Especially given that I've tried not to include too many rotations. But, I don't think I'll be miles off.
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Prediction for N.A. summer tour:
1. Bridges in the Sky
2. 6:00
3. Lost Not Forgotten
4. A Rite of Passage
5. Surrounded
6. The Root of All Evil
--drum solo--
7. A Fortune in Lies
8. This Is The Life
9. On the Backs of Angels
10. War Inside My Head / TTTSTA
11. The Spirit Carries On
12. Breaking All Illusions
--encore--
13. The Count of Tuscany
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1. Bridges in the Sky
2. 6:00
3. This is the Life / Build Me Up, Break Me Down (rotating)
4. A Rite of Passage*
5. The Root of All Evil
--drum solo--
6. A Fortune in Lies / Ytse Jam (rotating)
7. Outcry
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8. Wait For Sleep / The Silent Man (rotating)
9. Far from Heaven / Beneath the Surface (rotating)
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(A.) A Nightmare to Remember
10. On the Backs of Angels
11. Breaking All Illusions
(B.) The Count of Tuscany
--encore--
13. No idea! In the Name of God?
*Maybe rotating with Wither.
I would LOVE this setup
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I'd love to see some new tunes make it in there besides the ones that have already been played. But I know this will happen, Mangini has said it himself.
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Prediction for N.A. summer tour:
1. Bridges in the Sky
2. 6:00
3. Lost Not Forgotten
4. A Rite of Passage
5. Surrounded
6. The Root of All Evil
--drum solo--
7. A Fortune in Lies
8. This Is The Life
9. On the Backs of Angels
10. War Inside My Head / TTTSTA
11. The Spirit Carries On
12. Breaking All Illusions
--encore--
13. The Count of Tuscany
I'd take that!
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Oh! This (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=32151.msg1278450#msg1278450) reminded me!
These Walls. We need These Walls back. Only footage is on fan club DVDs, and it's a corker of a song, with a lot of nifty drumming.
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These Walls was definitely a highlight for me too. I'd love that set.
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Just to have it thrown in rotation would be grand, but I'm aware that the more songs get involved, the closer we are to scattered setlists again.
Plus, I'm very much looking at this from the perspective of "what would I like to see on a DVD," rather than "what would an American audience like." To which the answer would probably be "more songs they haven't seen yet." There were so many good songs played on this tour, songs that are well overdue for a DVD release and others that are well overdue for a more recent or better quality one (I'm looking at you, 6:00), and it's a crying shame that there won't be room for all of them.
Still. These Walls would be good.
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I really want a good live version of These Walls, since its one of my favorites and I wasn't able to see it in Atlanta last year. A DVD performance would be the next best thing.
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Now that we have what could be taken as confirmation of DT's playing of Lost Not Forgotten on this upcoming tour, I have to imagine that another ADTOE song will be taken out of the set. I see OTBOA leaving to make way for the new "single" (referring to LNF's upcoming fan video, that will surely be promoted on the official website and other media).
I believe BMU, BMD will stay, and be played back-to-back with LNF, as it is on the album.
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Lost Not Forgotten's more likely to be swapped with Outcry, surely?
I personally can't see them dropping the flagship single. Certainly not when they're about to film a DVD. More likely to put it in rotation alongside another song of a similar approximate shape, I reckon. LNF is about the same length, comparable in the amount of instrumental acrobatics, similar tone to Outcry... so I think they'd either drop one for the other, or put one in Set A and the other in Set B. At a guess!
(Less likely, but still juuuuust about possible would be LNF as the opener - again, alternating with Bridges. It's another intro that's made for the beginning of an album. But with Inception and the Shaman and the unicyclist, I can't see it happening. They've got it too good as is. Maybe for another tour.)
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If anything I really want to see Finally Free on the stage. It's been long time not to hear it. I'd like to add Disappear, if possible.
1-The Glass Prison / Bridges In The Sky
2-6:00
3-Lost Not Forgotten
4-This Is The Life
5-Build Me Up, Break Me Down / A Rite Of Passage
6-A Fortune In Lies
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7-Surrounded
8-A Root Of All Evil
9-Wait For Sleep - Far From Heaven / The Silent Man - Benathe The Surface
10- Breaking All Illusions
11- The Spirit Carries On / Disappear
12- Outcry
13- Finally Free
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Encore: Learning To Live/Metropolis
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If anything I really want to see Finally Free on the stage. It's been long time not to hear it. I'd like to add Disappear, if possible.
1-The Glass Prison / Bridges In The Sky
2-6:00
3-Lost Not Forgotten
4-This Is The Life
5-Build Me Up, Break Me Down / A Rite Of Passage
6-A Fortune In Lies
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7-Surrounded
8-A Root Of All Evil
9-Wait For Sleep - Far From Heaven / The Silent Man - Benathe The Surface
10- Breaking All Illusions
11- The Spirit Carries On / Disappear
12- Outcry
13- Finally Free
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Encore: Learning To Live/Metropolis
I'll take that. That looks fucking awesome.
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change the encore to TCoT and I'd be happy :)
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If anything I really want to see Finally Free on the stage. It's been long time not to hear it. I'd like to add Disappear, if possible.
I would LOVE to see Disappear in the set. I would pass on Spirit and Metropolis, but otherwise, this set looks pretty killer.
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I'd be disappointed if they repeat any song from the previous US leg especially since I'm seeing them in the same venue.
But you can bet money they will so don't get your hopes up.
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I'd be disappointed if they repeat any song from the previous US leg especially since I'm seeing them in the same venue.
But you can bet money they will so don't get your hopes up.
They will probably only repeat the ADTOE songs if they repeat anything. Jordan said on vokle that they will have a different set for this summer.
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^ I know that the full Vokle chats were recorded and available to watch, but for the sake of time, what exactly did he say about the different set? How was the original question worded ("Will there be a different set than the last U.S. tour," "Will there be a different set than the Asian tour," etc.)
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^ I know that the full Vokle chats were recorded and available to watch, but for the sake of time, what exactly did he say about the different set? How was the original question worded ("Will there be a different set than the last U.S. tour," "Will there be a different set than the Asian tour," etc.)
https://www.vokle.com/events/63084-jordan-rudess
Question Response #5. It's easier for me to link it then to type the entire question and answer out. And just so you know, its the second half of the two-part question the guy mentions before asking.
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1-Lost Not Forgotten
2-Lie
3-Misunderstood
4-Build Me Up, Break Me Down
5-Light Fuse And Get Away
7.You Or Me
6-This Is The Life
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8-A Nightmare To Remember
9-Wait For Sleep - Far From Heaven / The Silent Man - Benathe The Surface
10-Scarred
11-Breaking All Illusions
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Encore
12-In The Name Of God or Take The Time
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honestly I'd shit myself if they played You Or Me... in a good way
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Word. I think they could do something neat with it but not stray to far. :tup
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Bridges in the sky
Blind Faith
Panic Attack/Dark Eternal night
Build Me up, break me down/A rite of Passage
Drum solo
Erotomania/Dance of Eternity
Lost not Forgotten/Outcry
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Acoustic
Wait for sleep
Beneath the surface/Far from heaven
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On the Backs of Angels
The Spirit carries on
Finally Free
Wither/Surrounded
Breaking all Illusions
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Encore:
Take the Time/Count of Tuscany
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If DT knows what's good for them they'll bring 6:00 to this tour. They'd be moronic not to
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It'll be on the set. I'd be shocked if it weren't.
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1-Lost Not Forgotten
2-Lie
3-Misunderstood
4-Build Me Up, Break Me Down
5-Light Fuse And Get Away
7.You Or Me
6-This Is The Life
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8-A Nightmare To Remember
9-Wait For Sleep - Far From Heaven / The Silent Man - Benathe The Surface
10-Scarred
11-Breaking All Illusions
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Encore
12-In The Name Of God or Take The Time
I do say i like the cut of your jib, Sir
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I'd really like to see:
The Glass Prison
Lost Not Forgotten
This Is The Life
Hell's Kitchen (yes, I know the odds here)
Lines In The Sand
Outcry
Beneath The Surface
The Silent Man
Take The Time
Surrounded
Learning To Live
Metropolis, Pt. 1
Innocence Faded
The Dance of Eternity
If I get any of these songs (preferably the non-ADTOE ones), then i'll be extremely happy. I already saw BAI, BITS, OTBOA, BMUBMD, and Far From Heaven the last time they came through NA, so I really want to see the rest of the album I mentioned above.
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TGP, H'sK and Innocence Faded are veeeery unlikely to show up this next leg. The first is too heavy, remember that they will probably need to lighten up the non-ADTOE part of the set to cope with the inclusion of LNF. The second has never been played in a regular show (only in semi-unplugged ones), and Innocence Faded won't probably make the count as they are very likely to keep 6:00 for the rest of the tour (the song has not been played in a long time outside Europe, it's already been well reharsed already and most of all was met with a very positive reception by the european crowds). So, those three song... I wouldn't really bet on them.
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TGP, H'sK and Innocence Faded are veeeery unlikely to show up this next leg. The first is too heavy, remember that they will probably need to lighten up the non-ADTOE part of the set to cope with the inclusion of LNF. The second has never been played in a regular show (only in semi-unplugged ones), and Innocence Faded won't probably make the count as they are very likely to keep 6:00 for the rest of the tour (the song has not been played in a long time outside Europe, it's already been well reharsed already and most of all was met with a very positive reception by the european crowds). So, those three song... I wouldn't really bet on them.
Stop introducing reality.
The only thing I disagree with you on is TGP. Yes, it's heavy. But so is BITS and yet they play it. So the "it's too heavy" argument shouldn't really hold water. However, if they continue to play BITS, I would rule TGP rather unlikely. If BITS gets taken out for whatever reason, I would say TGP would have the best chance its going to get to be played (and you could probably say the same thing for War Inside My Head/The Test That Stumped Them All). They have been playing quite a bit of heavy songs over the last tour (The Dark Eternal Night, Bridges In The Sky, Outcry, The Root of All Evil, Caught In A Web, Endless Sacrifice, etc), so the inclusion of The Glass Prison could be possible and they would have time for it. It's not a 15+ minute song that would likely get passed over due to its long length. Its very possible that TGP could make its first live performance in 6 years on this tour. If you ask me, it's time they brought it back (since they have been playing pretty much everything on SDOIT except for TGP since 2006 anyway). It's really the only song on SDOIT besides the individual SDOIT movements themselves that really should get a tour or two of play before they play something else from that record.
Also, one of my friends who is just getting into DT is coming with me to two shows and he loves TGP. He went with me last year to see them in Chicago and we didn't get TGP, but Fatal Tragedy was able to make him happy with the evening. So, I really hope we can get TGP at least once out of the two shows so he can finally witness it. I've seen it once already in Cleveland in '06 and it was unreal, but I'd love to see it again, for sure.
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I've already seen TGP, UAGM, PMU /sarcasm
I highly doubt they'll get rid of BITS. but i'm scared they'll switch Outcry and LNF, i'm looking foward to hearing Outcry, but would be disappointed to get LNF.
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If they switch Outcry for LNF I'll be so happy.
I don't think they'll swap BITS out for a new opener but I'd prefer it. I hope they don't go too ADTOE heavy. Realistically I'm going with BitS, LNF, TitL, BAI, FFH. If I had a choice I'd only go LNF, TitL, BAI.
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I have no problems seeing Bridges as the opener again, it is perfect in that spot.
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I have no problems seeing Bridges as the opener again, it is perfect in that spot.
I hope I do see it since I couldn't see the first leg.
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If DT knows what's good for them they'll bring 6:00 to this tour. They'd be moronic not to
If they don't, you're banned for flaming the band. :lol
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I have no problems seeing Bridges as the opener again, it is perfect in that spot.
I hope I do see it since I couldn't see the first leg.
It just has that perfect buildup of intensity, then release of energy, very much alike how Glass Prison was when they opened with that.
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The set list I'm hoping for (in that order), while still being as realistic as possible:
Bridges in The Sky
Lost Not Forgotten
Misunderstood
This is The Life
Wither
Outcry
Erotomania
Voices
The Silent Man
Far From Heaven
Breaking All Illusions
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The Dance of Eternity
Metropolis, Pt. 1
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The set list I'm hoping for (in that order), while still being as realistic as possible:
Bridges in The Sky
Lost Not Forgotten
Misunderstood
This is The Life
Wither
Outcry
Erotomania
Voices
The Silent Man
Far From Heaven
Breaking All Illusions
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The Dance of Eternity
Metropolis, Pt. 1
I really wouldn't mind that setlist.
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^ Yeah, that's pretty good actually. The only thing I might swap is Erotomania (I know you have the whole suite there, but that's the only song I'm "meh" about).
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Any thoughts on them playing something new, or do you all think it's too early?
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Any thoughts on them playing something new, or do you all think it's too early?
Definitely too early... Maybe they could have come up with a sort of middle ground between a jam and a song, and decided to include it somewhere in the setlist. I would love that, but it's highly unlikely.
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The set list I'm hoping for (in that order), while still being as realistic as possible:
Bridges in The Sky
Lost Not Forgotten
Misunderstood
This is The Life
Wither
Outcry
Erotomania
Voices
The Silent Man
Far From Heaven
Breaking All Illusions
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The Dance of Eternity
Metropolis, Pt. 1
Was just thinking how much I'd love to see Misunderstood. Although, remove AMBI from the set and throw some other stuff in there, and I think we have a winner.
Thoughts on SDV being included, potentially?
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Setlist
Was just thinking how much I'd love to see Misunderstood. Although, remove AMBI from the set and throw some other stuff in there, and I think we have a winner.
Thoughts on SDV being included, potentially?
Not on this tour, I recall James saying...
My guess:
Bridges In The Sky
6:00
A Rite Of Passage
This Is The Life
Surrounded
The Root Of All Evil
Lost Not Forgotten
Drum Solo
A Fortune In Lies
Outcry
War Inside My Head / Test
The Spirit Carries On
Breaking All Illusions
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Far From Heaven (Beneath The Surface)
Trial Of Tears (In The Name Of God)
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I can live with that one, though This is the Life and BAI would be the only new songs for me. War Inside My Head/Test is a beast live.
Come to think of it, not sure if I've seen Trial of Tears either.
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And here's the setlist I would like them to put out were they ever to reprise the AEW format before this tour's over:
Bridges In The Sky
6:00
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Peruvian Skies
Surrounded
This Is The Life
The Root Of All Evil
Drum Solo
A Fortune In Lies
Outcry
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The Silent Ham
Beneath The Surface
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Metropolis Pt.1
On The Backs Of Angels
Through My Words
Fatal Tragedy
Lost Not Forgotten
The Spirit Carries On
Far From Heaven
Breaking All Illusions
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Wait For Sleep
Learning To Live
Lonestar said he could live with my previous setlist, I could die with this one :lol
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I got my setlist to die for on the SDOIT tour, but that one would make a kick ass eulogy.
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I sincerely don't wanna hear any WDADU or FII songs or even Awake songs other than AMBI tracks, Mirror and SDV.
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The Silent Ham
Between this and not being able to upload bacon to the server, this forum is a tease :lol
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My guess:
As I Am
6:00
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Surrounded
The Root Of All Evil
Drum Solo
A Fortune In Lies
Lost Not Forgotten
This Is The Life
On The Backs Of Angels
War Inside My Head
The Test That Stumped Them All
The Spirit Carries On
Breaking All Illusions
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Trial Of Tears / In The Name Of God
Personally, I'd trade both BMUBMD and OTBOA for new songs, but we'll see what happens.
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That setlist wasteland made is brilliant, I'd love a DVD with those songs. :metal
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That setlist wasteland made is brilliant, I'd love a DVD with those songs. :metal
Thanks a lot Mlad ;) I put a lot of care and enthusiasm in making these dream setlists. I always enjoy making them (of course I would much more enjoy witnessing them!). This one in particular feels very right, as it covers ADTOE in its entirety, yet not as a the centerpiece of the night, which would probably result overwhelming, but scattered quite wisely as they have already done in previous leg. Furthermore, it's only made of song that have already been played or that we're 99% sure that are going to be played. So, it's entirely feasible, even though not really likely to happen for real :D
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If Trial of Tears or In the Name of God is the encore I'm going to shit bricks. That's a good thing :lol
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Setlist
Was just thinking how much I'd love to see Misunderstood. Although, remove AMBI from the set and throw some other stuff in there, and I think we have a winner.
Thoughts on SDV being included, potentially?
My guess:
Bridges In The Sky
6:00
A Rite Of Passage
This Is The Life
Surrounded
The Root Of All Evil
Lost Not Forgotten
Drum Solo
A Fortune In Lies
Outcry
War Inside My Head / Test
The Spirit Carries On
Breaking All Illusions
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Far From Heaven (Beneath The Surface)
Trial Of Tears (In The Name Of God)
Minus Right of Passage, this set seems very logical. I could see Build Me Up in that third song slot.
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Well, first show down. Any predictions for Set B? I'm gonna guess OTBOA swapped with BMU, BMD, and Outcry, swapped with BAI.
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Please for the love of god can they switch the 6 Degree songs and Surrounded with something? lol
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Please for the love of god can they switch the 6 Degree songs and Surrounded with something? lol
Couldn't agree more. I'd rather see TGP instead of WIMH/TTSTA and Take The Time instead of Surrounded.
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Please for the love of god can they switch the 6 Degree songs and Surrounded with something? lol
Couldn't agree more. I'd rather see TGP instead of WIMH/TTSTA and Take The Time instead of Surrounded.
You're probably going to reply that I'm once again smuggling reality into this thread, but do you realize that the lenght of the song are not similar in the least? :lol
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Dont break me down
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I could deal with them swapping out OTBOA with something like The Glass Prison (wishful thinking, I know...)
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Please for the love of god can they switch the 6 Degree songs and Surrounded with something? lol
Couldn't agree more. I'd rather see TGP instead of WIMH/TTSTA and Take The Time instead of Surrounded.
You're probably going to reply that I'm once again smuggling reality into this thread, but do you realize that the lenght of the song are not similar in the least? :lol
Get out of here.