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Title: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Elsydeon on May 18, 2010, 08:30:21 AM
So I just found out that Fate's Warning is playing my area in two weeks, I know there are a couple of fans on this board.
Any recommendations of where to start with them so I can get familiar with their music before I see them?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Zydar on May 18, 2010, 08:36:01 AM
Parallels

I know they've been out playing that album in its entirety, don't know if they're still doing that. But check out Parallels, I enjoy that one.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: bosk1 on May 18, 2010, 08:36:08 AM
I'm only somewhat of a fan, but I can probably make some solid recommendations.

-Parallels, which came out in 1991, is I believe their most successful and is considered by many to be their best.  You probably can't go wrong with this album.  Not only is it pretty generally well-liked, but you'll likely hear quite a few songs played from it at your show since (1) it was their most successful, and (2) they just reissued it earlier this year and will likely play a lot of it to support the re-release.  I would pick up the new version, as you get a lot of bonus content, including a live set.  This is a great starting point for any Fates fan.

-They have a compilation/hits album called Chasing Time, which gives a pretty good sampling of their material from '84 to '94.  

After the compilation album, they had another 3 releases.  I only have the most recent, X, which came out in 2004.  I get the impression it wasn't received all that well, but I like it a lot.

Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Dr. DTVT on May 18, 2010, 08:47:00 AM
I'll agree with everyone else that Parallels is the place to start.  After that, Still Life is a good buy because it has the entire "A Pleasant Shade of Gray", as well as some other good Fatez songs, and for the same price as A Pleasant Shade of Gray - the downside is that it is a live album.  Perfect Symmetry isn't bad, but that would be option 3 behind Still Life/APSoG.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Elsydeon on May 18, 2010, 09:05:43 AM
Thanks a lot everyone I'm gonna pick up the reissued parallels later today and whatever else i can find. I never knew Fates Warning originated in Hartford, CT...that's where I'm seeing them.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Dublagent66 on May 18, 2010, 09:11:04 AM
The following are all excellent:

No Exit
Perfect Symmetry
Parallels
Inside Out
A Pleasant Shade of Gray
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nick on May 18, 2010, 09:31:27 AM
Elsy, they'll be playing Parallels in its entirety, so that is definitely the album to start with.

I *might* be making a trip to see that show.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on May 18, 2010, 09:46:49 AM
I actually would not start with Parallels, but that's just me.  I would start with Disconnected.  It's a little more modern-sounding and heavy and sonic.  I just love that album.  If you like DT, I would start with Disconnected or A Pleasant Shade of Gray.  They both feature Kevin Moore on keyboards.

Can't wait to see them on June 4!!!  If you're going, say hi.  I'll be wearing my DT hat and an OSI shirt.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: pogoowner on May 18, 2010, 09:58:05 AM
Since they're playing Parallels, that's obviously the place to start. I actually prefer Perfect Symmetry if I'm choosing an album from that era, though.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Samsara on May 18, 2010, 12:03:15 PM
Echo the Parallels comment. Big fan here.

They are doing Parallels in its entirety, so the smart move is to start with that. It is also their biggest selling album and most accessible.

If you are a Queensryche fan, for comparison's sake, Parallels is Fates Warning's Empire.

If you like that, and like the show, come back here and let us know. I'll make more recommendations.

Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: carl320 on May 18, 2010, 12:44:02 PM
Parallels then A Pleasant Shade of Gray.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on May 19, 2010, 05:29:09 AM
So I just found out that Fate's Warning is playing my area in two weeks, I know there are a couple of fans on this board.
Any recommendations of where to start with them so I can get familiar with their music before I see them?

All of them.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TAC on May 19, 2010, 07:12:31 AM
Echo the Parallels comment. Big fan here.

They are doing Parallels in its entirety, so the smart move is to start with that. It is also their biggest selling album and most accessible.

If you are a Queensryche fan, for comparison's sake, Parallels is Fates Warning's Empire.

If you like that, and like the show, come back here and let us know. I'll make more Queensryche recommendations.


:biggrin:
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Elsydeon on May 19, 2010, 02:38:52 PM
Okay so I picked up the new parallels release, inside out, and the still life live album. I'm really enjoying what I'm hearing. Parallels is awesome and so is inside out. Probably going to get some more tomorrow after I get my paycheck, looking forward to the show very much now. Thanks for the recommendations everyone  :tup
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: elyster on May 19, 2010, 03:11:40 PM
I'm seeing them in San Antonio.  They only have three US dates, Hartford and the two down here in Texas.  Apparently the singer is from this area and his mom still lives around here.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Samsara on May 19, 2010, 04:08:25 PM
Okay so I picked up the new parallels release, inside out, and the still life live album. I'm really enjoying what I'm hearing. Parallels is awesome and so is inside out. Probably going to get some more tomorrow after I get my paycheck, looking forward to the show very much now. Thanks for the recommendations everyone  :tup

If you like those, then go with Perfect Symmetry...it's a bit more like Images and Words in terms of its progressive and technical nature. It's the album that came BEFORE Parallels.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Dr. DTVT on May 20, 2010, 05:25:59 AM
I really wish they were playing more shows.  Since I'm heading to the NE to see DT/IM in July, I can't justify another trip up there to see Fatez.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on June 03, 2010, 07:18:53 PM
Tomorrow night is the big show in Connecticut!!!  Who's going?  Feel free to say hi.  I'll be wearing my OSI shirt and DT hat.  We can chat it up about Kevin Moore or recite the lyrics to "Space-Dye Vest."
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Elsydeon on June 03, 2010, 07:30:55 PM
I'm working until 7 so I'll probably be over there around 8ish. Most likely I'll be hanging around the bar area in my octavarium t shirt.
I'll never be open again.    Think the show will sell out?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nick on June 03, 2010, 08:11:11 PM
I won't be making it up for this, so you'll have to wait till MSG to gaze upon my glory. :p
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Elsydeon on June 03, 2010, 09:22:36 PM
Does this mean the show will be less fail?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on June 04, 2010, 07:47:55 AM
I think it will sell out.  Maybe.  I've been told the venue has two stages - a main stage and smaller stage and 8-9 bands will be performing at the same time up leading up the the FW performance on teh main stage.  Also, I heard that they rented out the venue yesterday as well, possibly in preparation to possibly film the show tonight.  That's one of the rumors.  Guess we'll see.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Samsara on June 04, 2010, 09:13:57 AM
I think it will sell out.  Maybe.  I've been told the venue has two stages - a main stage and smaller stage and 8-9 bands will be performing at the same time up leading up the the FW performance on teh main stage.  Also, I heard that they rented out the venue yesterday as well, possibly in preparation to possibly film the show tonight.  That's one of the rumors.  Guess we'll see.

When I interviewed Jim a couple months ago, he said they were hoping to film a couple of the shows, so I would bank on that rumor being true.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Elsydeon on June 04, 2010, 09:16:42 AM
Wow if it does sell out I'm going to hate myself for not buying tickets in advance.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: ZeppelinDT on June 04, 2010, 09:48:17 AM
I'm working until 7 so I'll probably be over there around 8ish. Most likely I'll be hanging around the bar area in my octavarium t shirt.
I'll never be open again.    Think the show will sell out?

I'll be there too (w/ Mebert78).  Wearing my M2000 jersey.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Samsara on June 04, 2010, 10:34:54 AM
Wow if it does sell out I'm going to hate myself for not buying tickets in advance.

Buy them now and select Will Call pickup.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on June 04, 2010, 10:42:07 AM
Personally, I kinda have a gut feeling this show will include something extra beyond the reunited Parallels lineup.  It's their hometown and a potential DVD show, maybe an appearance by Arch as well, or other former members?  Maybe Kevin Moore playing "At Fate's Hands" with them as an encore? 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Elsydeon on June 04, 2010, 10:51:49 AM
The ticket says Fates warning with special guests, so I think this show will be.... especially..... "special" :D.
I bought my tickets now, so I will be there tonight.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: ZeppelinDT on June 04, 2010, 11:00:25 AM
I think the "special guests" part refers to the 19 opening bands.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Elsydeon on June 04, 2010, 11:07:19 AM
most of them arent very special though I don't think.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Samsara on June 04, 2010, 12:57:18 PM
Depending on where Kevin in living these days, I'd say a Kev Mo appearance is highly probable (and that is a pure guess, I don't know a thing). Arch is much less of a chance, but hey, you never know. Arch doesn't sing much these days, so unless he's been really working at it for awhile, probably not a good idea for him to take the stage. But it'd be great if he and Ray sang TOGETHER on two songs, as an encore. One Arch era tune, one Alder era tune.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nick on June 04, 2010, 01:58:13 PM
I'd say Arch is MUCH more likely than Kev'Mo, since Kevin lives in Turkey.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Samsara on June 04, 2010, 04:25:25 PM
I'd say Arch is MUCH more likely than Kev'Mo, since Kevin lives in Turkey.

Incorrect. He's been living in the U.S. for awhile now. I think he moved back here last year.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Elsydeon on June 04, 2010, 11:34:44 PM
i just got home from the show, great show. no special guest appearances. I know they played all of parallels, monuments, another perfect day. Those were the only song I really knew, I'm sure someone else could give a better setlist. I definitely had a great time tonight  :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: yeshaberto on June 04, 2010, 11:41:29 PM
glad you enjoyed the show...
I am listening to parallels right now and may buy it.  I tried them years ago when they toured with DT but couldn't get into them.  never hurts to try again
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nick on June 05, 2010, 11:33:26 AM
Leave the Past Behind
Life in Still Water
Eye to Eye
The Eleventh Hour
Point of View
We Only Say Goodbye
Don't Follow Me
The Road Goes on Forever
Pale Fire
Face the Fear
Nothing Left To Say
Monument
------------------
One
APSOG Part 3
Another Perfect Day
Through Different Eyes
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on June 05, 2010, 01:04:55 PM
They also played one of the movements of Ivory Gate in the encore, I believe.  They played for 1 hour and 45 minutes.

It was awesome to see them.  Damn, that place was super hot and loud.  I woke up this morning and felt like death lol.  No special guests, although Ray said during the show that former band members were in the audience.  I was hoping they might perform in the encore. They sounded really good.  I think Frank Aresti kept forgetting his harmonizing lyrics and Ray would joking point at a lyric sheet he had behind the speakers.  It was funny.  Not sure if other people noticed or just us, since we were so close.  Ray also took a quick cigarette break during the long instrumental start of Nothing Left to Say, which ZeppelinDT pointed out to me lol.  I loved seeing Zonder in action.  He's such a great drummer.  And Matheos totally feels the music.  He plays with his eyes closed alot and just gets lost in the vibe.  All the guys looked good.  Joe DiBiase, who the band used to call "Bones" in the early days, is no longer skin and bones.  But he looked like he really enjoyed being up on stage.  Overall, it was a great time.  A lot of fans singing along and pumping their fists.  So glad I got to see that legendary lineup play together!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Birch Boy on June 05, 2010, 01:24:00 PM
I'm gonna get some Fates Warning when I have money, and also, power metallers Sacred Oath from my area toured with FW back in the day, so you guys should check them out.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nick on June 05, 2010, 01:25:58 PM
I don't have anything against Sacred Oath, but for a lot of bands, having toured with somebody I love is no reason to check them out as many of them often pick very different and very bad openers.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Birch Boy on June 05, 2010, 01:29:51 PM
I don't have anything against Sacred Oath, but for a lot of bands, having toured with somebody I love is no reason to check them out as many of them often pick very different and very bad openers.
I don't know if it's a coincidence or not, but a lot of bands I see open me to a lot of new goo music with their openers. I always check out the openers as soon as they are announced, and more often than not, I like them. But to each his own.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Elsydeon on June 05, 2010, 04:23:56 PM
Nick did you end up going? I thought I saw you but wasn't sure.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on June 05, 2010, 04:30:21 PM
How hot was it in there last night?  I thought I was gonna pass out. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Elsydeon on June 05, 2010, 04:33:08 PM
How hot was it in there last night?  I thought I was gonna pass out. 
It was really hot. Ray mentioned the heat a few times and so did a couple other openers. luckily it wasn't TOO packed in the bar area.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: SoundscapeMN on June 05, 2010, 04:41:19 PM
, and also, power metallers Sacred Oath from my area toured with FW back in the day, so you guys should check them out.

Sacred Oath is Rob Volpintesta (Thorne) of Soundscape's band. I would have loved to have been there (although Sacred Oath aren't exactly my thing).
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Birch Boy on June 05, 2010, 04:58:21 PM
, and also, power metallers Sacred Oath from my area toured with FW back in the day, so you guys should check them out.

Sacred Oath is Rob Volpintesta (Thorne) of Soundscape's band. I would have loved to have been there (although Sacred Oath aren't exactly my thing).
Yeah they're cool guys. Rob's my friend's guitar teacher, so I know them all and talk to them on Facebook and stuff. They actually just signed a CD and sent it to me for $10. I know you said they're not your thing, but if you live near Connecticut, they're playing right in Danbury for like $10 on the 19th.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: SoundscapeMN on June 05, 2010, 05:26:15 PM
, and also, power metallers Sacred Oath from my area toured with FW back in the day, so you guys should check them out.

Sacred Oath is Rob Volpintesta (Thorne) of Soundscape's band. I would have loved to have been there (although Sacred Oath aren't exactly my thing).
Yeah they're cool guys. Rob's my friend's guitar teacher, so I know them all and talk to them on Facebook and stuff. They actually just signed a CD and sent it to me for $10. I know you said they're not your thing, but if you live near Connecticut, they're playing right in Danbury for like $10 on the 19th.

yeah I would come out to see them, just to meet them. But unfortunately I live a $300+ plane ticket away in Minnesota.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Birch Boy on June 05, 2010, 05:27:15 PM
, and also, power metallers Sacred Oath from my area toured with FW back in the day, so you guys should check them out.

Sacred Oath is Rob Volpintesta (Thorne) of Soundscape's band. I would have loved to have been there (although Sacred Oath aren't exactly my thing).
Yeah they're cool guys. Rob's my friend's guitar teacher, so I know them all and talk to them on Facebook and stuff. They actually just signed a CD and sent it to me for $10. I know you said they're not your thing, but if you live near Connecticut, they're playing right in Danbury for like $10 on the 19th.

yeah I would come out to see them, just to meet them. But unfortunately I live a $300+ plane ticket away in Minnesota.
Ah, that might be a slight obstacle indeed.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Sad Wings on June 05, 2010, 07:49:16 PM
That show last night was one of the best live shows I've attended.  It was better than the Atlanta show last September and I'm glad they seemed to get a great response.

and yeah, they played Quietus in between Perfect Day and Through Different Eyes.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nick on June 05, 2010, 08:56:41 PM
I wasn't there. Wish I could have been but the timing just wasn't right for me right now.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on May 03, 2012, 04:51:05 AM
Since I couldn't find an official thread on this band I thought I'd start one.  Mainly because I read this exciting news yesterday;

http://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=173299

Metal Blade Records has set a June 5 release date (one day earlier internationally) for the reissue of FATES WARNING's classic 1994 album "Inside Out". This re-release comes as a double CD plus bonus-DVD. It contains the classic original album as well as live tracks from a German show FATES WARNING played in Düsseldorf in 1995 and unreleased demo takes. The bonus-DVD contains an assortment of live clips, from 1993-1995.

CD1 - Inside Out (re-mastered original album)

01. Outside Looking In
02. Pale Fire
03. The Strand
04. Shelter Me
05. Island In The Stream
06. Down To The Wire
07. Face The Fear
08. Inward Bound
09. Monument
10. Afterglow

CD2 – Live in Düsseldorf, Germany February 11th 1995

01. Outside Looking In
02. Down To The Wire
03. The Eleventh Hour
04. Point Of View
05. Face The Fear

Demos/Unreleased

01. Outside Looking In (demo)
02. Pale Fire (demo)
03. Shelter Me (demo)
04. Island In The Stream (demo)
05. Face The Fear (demo)
06. Monument (rough mix)
07. Circles (unreleased)

DVD - Inside Out Live

* Outside Looking In (1994/95)
* Pale Fire (1993/94)
* The Strand (1994)
* Shelter Me (1993)
* Island In The Stream (2010)
* Down To The Wire (1994/95)
* Face The Fear (1994/95)
* Monument (1994/95)
* Afterglow Slide Show

Extras:

* Live In Still Water (1994)
* Through Different Eyes (1995)
* Guardian (Mike Portnoy drums) (1994)
* Shades Of Heavenly Death (1995)
* MTV Europe Interview (1995)
* Eye to Eye (1994/95)
* Face The Face Of Fear (1994)
* Don't Follow Me (1994)
* Shortest Fates Warning Show Ever (1994)
* Guardian (Arch/Alder duet) (1994)

In a recent interview with Bulgaria's Tangra Mega Rock, FATES WARNING singer Ray Alder stated about the progress of the songwriting sessions for the band's new CD, "We're trying as hard as we can. We have these shows [in Europe] and then we go to Brazil in April. And in the meantime we are working as hard as we can to finish the album. Hopefully we'll have it out by the end of this year, If not, the beginning of next year. We're trying our best."

He added, "We need to finish writing right now. We finished the first song. The demo version is already done. We'll continue writing as we have a lot of ideas that we need to put together. But the first song is done and I can tell you it's seven minutes long. The recording process itself usually takes about two months and then after that it's another three more months before the album is released. So, we are talking five months out there after the album has been written."

The "Parallels" lineup of FATES WARNING played a number of shows in 2010 in support of the released special edition of the album, which was made available through Metal Blade Records. In addition to remastered audio, there is a second audio disc of live and demo material. The package also includes a DVD with nearly three hours of material, including a complete live show from the 1992 "Parallels" tour and a documentary on the making of "Parallels" which includes live, studio, and current day interview footage with all the band members, Terry Brown (producer) and Brian Slagel (CEO of Metal Blade Records).

FATES WARNING's latest CD, "X", was released in 2004 on Metal Blade Records. The follow-up to 2000's "Disconnected" was recorded at Carriage House studios in Stamford, Connecticut and features cover artwork by renowned record-cover artist Ioannis (DREAM THEATER, SEPULTURA, DEEP PURPLE, BLUE ÖYSTER CULT, YNGWIE MALMSTEEN, KING CRIMSON, BIOHAZARD, VOIVOD, UFO, OVERKILL).


This is amazing, seriously love this album.  One error though it says Circles is unreleased which is untrue because it's available on the Chasing Time collection, unless it's a different version.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 03, 2012, 05:08:38 AM
I love Inside-out.

 Its just as strong as parallels and Island In the Stream is one of the most beautiful and powerful songs I've ever heard in my life.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nick on May 03, 2012, 08:27:44 AM
Here's an exciting idea, put out the new FW already.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 03, 2012, 08:38:18 AM
Here's an exciting idea, put out the new FW already.

I 2nd this motion.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on May 03, 2012, 08:57:11 AM
I <3 Fates Warning.  Can't wait to see Arch/Matheos in two days in Connecticut, which is pretty much like seeing FW.

I hope Matheos has some good songwriting left in him for the new FW.  He's gotta be tapped out after churning out OSI and A/M discs within the past year.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: kirksnosehair on May 03, 2012, 08:58:55 AM
I did me some Fates Warning, but my reaction to reissues, frankly, is:  yawn

Put out a new album
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: pogoowner on May 03, 2012, 11:53:44 AM
I did me some Fates Warning, but my reaction to reissues, frankly, is:  yawn

Put out a new album

Which they are officially working on. I can't wait for the new album. Jim Matheos is on an absolute roll lately, between all the OSI albums and Arch/Matheos.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: kirksnosehair on May 03, 2012, 12:55:49 PM
Yeah, that's cool.  I guess I'm just burned out on all these "reissues" and "remasters" that everyone is releasing lately.


Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on May 03, 2012, 01:11:03 PM
An amazing and highly underrated band. They should be on a similar level as DT. I've heard they should have a new album out by the end of the year. Which era do you guys like better?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: kirksnosehair on May 03, 2012, 01:20:46 PM
For me it's the Alder era.  Arch isn't really my cuppa. 


Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 03, 2012, 01:24:00 PM
An amazing and highly underrated band. They should be on a similar level as DT. I've heard they should have a new album out by the end of the year. Which era do you guys like better?

    Tough call.

Even though John Arch is my favorite singer, I find that I need to be in just the right mood to really enjoy the Arch-era, where-as I can put on Alder era almost any time and it will click.

and since Pleasant Shade of grey is my favorite FW album, I guess Alder-era wins by a hair, but its very close.


Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on May 03, 2012, 02:52:12 PM
Yeah I enjoy the Alder albums more as well.  I would pick parallels as my favorite overall.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 03, 2012, 02:56:46 PM
Yeah I enjoy the Alder albums more as well.  I would pick parallels as my favorite overall.

   The Road Goes on Forever...    :heart :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on May 03, 2012, 03:47:31 PM
Yeah I enjoy the Alder albums more as well.  I would pick parallels as my favorite overall.

This.  The Alder era is just more my style.  I was listening to Disconnected the other day and that is amazing.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: carl320 on May 03, 2012, 09:53:34 PM
Yeah I enjoy the Alder albums more as well.  I would pick parallels as my favorite overall.

Leave the Past Behind thru The Road Goes on Forever...    :heart :hefdaddy

Fix'd
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on May 04, 2012, 04:57:59 AM
Yeah I enjoy the Alder albums more as well.  I would pick parallels as my favorite overall.

Leave the Past Behind thru The Road Goes on Forever...    :heart :hefdaddy

Fix'd

But Don't Follow Me until The Eleventh Hour when we only say Goodbye to Life in Still Water.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: carl320 on May 04, 2012, 06:39:23 AM
Yeah I enjoy the Alder albums more as well.  I would pick parallels as my favorite overall.

Leave the Past Behind thru The Road Goes on Forever...    :heart :hefdaddy

Fix'd

But Don't Follow Me until The Eleventh Hour when we only say Goodbye to Life in Still Water.

I see Eye to Eye with your Point of View.

Also A Pleasant Shade of Gray I-XII.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: RuRoRul on May 04, 2012, 07:04:56 AM
Honestly I've only really listened to the Alder era - the Arch era stuff isn't my kind of music anyway and when I tried it out I really didn't like his voice. I only really got into FW over the past year so I'm not really familiar with every album, but Disconnected is my favourite. Still Remains   :tup

Hope they can get a new album out this year.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 04, 2012, 11:15:17 AM
Honestly I've only really listened to the Alder era - the Arch era stuff isn't my kind of music anyway and when I tried it out I really didn't like his voice. I only really got into FW over the past year so I'm not really familiar with every album, but Disconnected is my favourite. Still Remains   :tup

Hope they can get a new album out this year.

Still Remains is absolutely incredible. Its my second favorite FW song behind Road Goes on Forever.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wkiml on May 04, 2012, 01:21:58 PM
Arch era for me, got into them off some compliation album..went out and immediately bought their catologue ..when Arch left and Alder joined the music seemed to take a different turn than what i was accustomed too although I can't fault anyone who was introduced to them during the Alder era for likeing that more
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: bosk1 on May 04, 2012, 02:23:37 PM
I guess I'm just burned out on all these "reissues" and "remasters" that everyone is releasing lately.

In general, I agree.  But at least they are making this one worthwhile with all the bonus content.  It bugs me when bands do reissues with one or two bonus songs, but this has a ton of extras.  I will probably get this, but interestingly, I'm not really a fan of most of their stuff.  There are a few songs here and there that I like, but the only full album of theirs I have ever really enjoyed is X.  I think a lot of it has to do with Ray's voice.  I just don't like the sound of his upper register.  I love his mid-range and low-register stuff in Redemption, but the more high-register stuff he does with Fates puts me off. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: kirksnosehair on May 04, 2012, 02:27:19 PM
It's funny you mention "FWX" (that's what you meant, right?) because that's actually my favorite of the Alder era albums, followed closely by APSOG and Disconnected. 

I completely agree about Ray's vocals.

I took a trip down memory lane recently and spun "No Exit" which was the very first Fates Warning album I ever purchased.  The epic on there is still pretty cool. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: bosk1 on May 04, 2012, 02:34:16 PM
Yeah, it's funny that I LOVE Ray and Fates separate from each other (i.e., I love Ray in Redemption and I love the Arch/Matheos album), but when they are together, they do nothing for me.  :lol
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on May 04, 2012, 04:25:41 PM
X was a suprisingly great album.  If they come up with something like that again, I'd be happy.  I'm not normally a fan of reissues that much either but like bosk said, they amount of extras Metal Blade are doing with FW< I don't have to think twice about buying.

Also, Still Remains is eaily top 5 FW.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Elite on May 04, 2012, 05:19:46 PM
I've only heard No Exit, which I have on CD. Anything else I should try?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 04, 2012, 05:45:08 PM
I've only heard No Exit, which I have on CD. Anything else I should try?

 If you like the vibe of No Exit, then I would recommend Awaken the Guardian or Perfect Symmetry.

     Now if you want just a strait up damn good album, go with Pleasant Shade of Grey or Disconnected.

          At the end of the day, every album is decent for the most part.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: RuRoRul on May 05, 2012, 11:16:22 AM
I'm not as big a fan of Ray Alder's voice on earlier albums (Parallels is the earliest I own, I don't have No Exit) as in Redemption either. But on a little later stuff from FW like X and Disconnected he sings more like he does with Redemption.

Glad other people like FWX as well - I never see it talked about much compared to older albums.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: KevShmev on May 05, 2012, 11:20:21 AM
Aside from APSOG, which is pretty sweet, most of FW stuff has the same effect on me that King's X music does: it strikes me as being mostly good stuff, but rarely is something I want to listen to. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on May 06, 2012, 08:18:00 PM
My friend and I met Jim Matheos last night after the Arch/Matheos show!  Yeah, baby!!

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Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nel on May 06, 2012, 09:11:24 PM
I own everything from No Exit to FWX. I finally bought APSOG last week, so I'll be curious to see if it passes FWX as my favorite FW album.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on May 06, 2012, 10:08:57 PM
I own all the albums.  If I had to rate the Alder-era albums...my list would be:

1. Disconnected
2. A Pleasant Shade of Grey
3. Perfect Symmetry
4. No Exit
5. Parallels
6. FWX
7. Inside Out


But that's just me. 

Arch era is pretty obvious:

1. Awaken the Guardian
2. The Spectre Within





3. Night on Brocken 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on May 07, 2012, 04:47:05 AM
I was going to try and rank all their albums, but it's too damn hard!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nick on May 07, 2012, 07:41:22 AM
I've always found Night to be the best Arch album personally.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on May 09, 2012, 03:53:05 PM
I've always found Night to be the best Arch album personally.

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Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nick on May 09, 2012, 04:00:10 PM
Bump. And serious.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TAC on May 09, 2012, 04:08:49 PM
My friend and I met Jim Matheos last night after the Arch/Matheos show!  Yeah, baby!!

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Awesome bro!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on June 21, 2012, 06:01:00 AM
Just opened my copy of the new Inside Out.  Packaging like Parallels sucks ass with the original booklet in tact, which IMO is poor form.  The sound of the album does sound improved and still true to the overall feel of the album.  The second disc is nice but nothing special.  The live tracks and demo are cool. Circles is already released on Chasing Time so pretty worthless addition there.  haven't watched the DVD yet.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on June 21, 2012, 11:56:13 AM
Wolf, is the design and size of the edition the same as the parallels deluxe or is it he bulky size? Would you recommend it?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on June 21, 2012, 03:43:53 PM
It's the same style of packaging as Parallels.  I'll tell you if it's worth it when I watch the DVD, that will be the real test.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on July 03, 2012, 12:08:09 PM
Got the inside out deluxe edition. Live tracks are very cool. But like the parallels edition, the DVD makes it worth the price
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on December 10, 2012, 05:15:53 PM
Ray Alder has been busy this week on Twitter regarding the upcoming Fates Warning album in 2013:

1) Finishing up some pre-production on the new Fates album in New Hampshire with Jim Matheos.. So far, I could NOT be happier with the music!

2) Man, New Hampshire is beautiful, but I've never been so fucking cold!! Us Mexicans aren't built for this shit!

3) @Secularious we begin recording in February, looking at a release date around July or august.. Thanks for asking! Peace!

4) @MetalMarcLopes yeah, well on our way... Just the first round of pre production.. Frank has a couple of badass solos so far!

5) @TheMooreatorium I can tell you one song is called "Firefly."

Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on December 10, 2012, 05:38:59 PM
The new FW is one my most anticipated releases of the 2013. I can not wait.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on December 10, 2012, 05:47:22 PM
Ray Alder has been busy this week on Twitter regarding the upcoming Fates Warning album in 2013:

1) Finishing up some pre-production on the new Fates album in New Hampshire with Jim Matheos.. So far, I could NOT be happier with the music!

2) Man, New Hampshire is beautiful, but I've never been so fucking cold!! Us Mexicans aren't built for this shit!

3) @Secularious we begin recording in February, looking at a release date around July or august.. Thanks for asking! Peace!

4) @MetalMarcLopes yeah, well on our way... Just the first round of pre production.. Frank has a couple of badass solos so far!

5) @TheMooreatorium I can tell you one song is called "Firefly."

AWESOME news!!!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 10, 2012, 06:00:55 PM
Disconnected Pt.2 has a pretty great atmosphere to it. Love the piano melody and the whole feel of it.

Wish is another of those songs I rank highly among Still Remains, Their lyrics are great with the music backing it.

Also, excited to hear how the new album will sound.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on December 10, 2012, 06:16:14 PM
Disconnected Pt.2 has a pretty great atmosphere to it. Love the piano melody and the whole feel of it.

Wish is another of those songs I rank highly among Still Remains, Their lyrics are great with the music backing it.

Also, excited to hear how the new album will sound.

Totally agree about Disconnected part 2, the atmosphere is incredible and its a great way to finish the album.

Still remains may very well be my favorite Fate's song. Its just incredibly dynamic and really builds to one hell of a climax.

and

I just listened to Road Goes on forever and Island in the stream back to back. Pure bliss
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on December 11, 2012, 03:19:22 AM
Killer update from Ray.  I am exceptionally happy that Frank is back on board with them in the studio now.

Also, the whole Disconnected album is amazing and has an incredible atmosphere.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Scorpion on December 11, 2012, 04:25:23 AM
Fates Warning rule. APSOG is my favourite album, though The Ivory Gate of Dreams is my favourite individual track.

Looking forward to this mofo! :caffeine:
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on December 11, 2012, 05:58:45 AM
This release is long overdue.  Awesome news!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on March 22, 2013, 02:22:03 PM
Yes!!!

Link: http://metalassault.com/news/2013/03/22/....tour-new-album/

Fates Warning Announces US Tour & New Album
Posted on March 22, 2013

The wait is over, and one of the premier bands of the American progressive metal movement is back! FATES WARNING are proud to announce that they will enter the studio in April to begin tracking on a new studio album – their first album of new material in nine years, and their first studio release for InsideOut Music.

The U.S. run will launch November 15 in Joliet, IL and wrap December 14 in Seattle, WA. The band’s 11th studio album is set for a fall release, and will feature founding guitarist Jim Matheos, classic lineup members Ray Alder (vocals) and Frank Aresti (guitars), longtime bassist Joey Vera and drummer Bobby Jarzombek.

Tickets for the band’s long-awaited winter tour will be available for purchase starting March 27 – please see below for all FATES WARNING US tour dates (European and South American dates will be announced soon), and check venue websites for complete details:

FATES WARNING tour dates
Nov. 15–Joliet, IL–Mojoe’s
Nov. 16–Detroit, MI–Harpos
Nov. 17–Louisville, KY–Diamond Pub & Billiards
Nov. 18–Cleveland, OH–Peabody’s
Nov. 20–Toronto, ONT–Mod Club
Nov. 21–Poughkeepsie, NY–The Chance
Nov. 22–Hartford, CT–Webster Theater
Nov. 23–New York, NY–The Studio @ Webster Hall
Nov. 24–Clifton, NJ–Dingbatz
Nov. 26–Amityville, NY–Revolution
Nov. 27–Lancaster, PA–Chameleon Club
Nov. 30–Spartanburg, SC–Ground Zero
Dec. 1–Atlanta, GA–Masquerade
Dec. 3–Houston, TX–Scout Bar
Dec. 4–San Antonio, TX–Backstage Live
Dec. 5–Dallas, TX–Trees
Dec. 7–Phoenix, AZ–Rocky Point Cantina
Dec. 8–San Diego, CA–Brick By Brick
Dec. 10–Los Angeles, CA–The Whisky
Dec. 11–San Francisco, CA–DNA Lounge
Dec. 13–Portland, OR–Hawthorne Theater
Dec. 14–Seatlle, WA–Studio Seven

FATES WARNING online:
facebook.com/FatesWarning
FatesWarning.com
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on March 22, 2013, 02:23:02 PM
I'm taking off from Nov. 22-27 and seeing all the shows in CT/NJ/NY/PA.  I've been waiting a decade for this.   :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on March 22, 2013, 02:30:00 PM
Man this album is taking forever, I am super stoked that Frank is indeed back in the studio with Fates.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 22, 2013, 03:46:50 PM
They just announced tour dates for the winter:

http://www.fateswarning.com/Forum/tabid/269/aft/161/Default.aspx

FATES WARNING tour dates
Nov. 15--Joliet, IL--Mojoe's
Nov. 16--Detroit, MI--Harpos
Nov. 17--Louisville, KY--Diamond Pub & Billiards
Nov. 18--Cleveland, OH--Peabody's
Nov. 20--Toronto, ONT--Mod Club
Nov. 21--Poughkeepsie, NY--The Chance
Nov. 22--Hartford, CT--Webster Theater
Nov. 23--New York, NY--The Studio @ Webster Hall
Nov. 24--Clifton, NJ--Dingbatz
Nov. 26--Amityville, NY--Revolution
Nov. 27--Lancaster, PA--Chameleon Club
Nov. 30--Spartanburg, SC--Ground Zero
Dec. 1--Atlanta, GA--Masquerade
Dec. 3--Houston, TX--Scout Bar
Dec. 4--San Antonio, TX--Backstage Live
Dec. 5--Dallas, TX--Trees
Dec. 7--Phoenix, AZ--Rocky Point Cantina
Dec. 8--San Diego, CA--Brick By Brick
Dec. 10--Los Angeles, CA--The Whisky
Dec. 11--San Francisco, CA--DNA Lounge
Dec. 13--Portland, OR--Hawthorne Theater
Dec. 14--Seatlle, WA--Studio Seven

I've been wanting to see this band for almost 9 years now. Can't wait.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on March 22, 2013, 03:47:55 PM
http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=32158.0
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 22, 2013, 03:49:40 PM
http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=32158.0

my bad :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Elsydeon on March 22, 2013, 04:08:31 PM
Awesome, I saw them on their last tour a few years back when they came around. It was a really good show, I'll gladly go again provided I'm available
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 22, 2013, 07:27:50 PM
I am just getting into Fates Warning.  Over the last 2-3 months I have slowly picked up all the releases.

Looks like it's a good time to be a fan.  Stoked to be able to pick up their next album on release day.  Not only that but it looks like I will be attending the first show of the tour.  I wonder if they'll have M&G tickets. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on March 22, 2013, 08:43:11 PM
WOW.....they NEVER come to Seattle.     The last few times they've been to Seattle, it's been as an opener for Dream Theater.    I believe the last time they *headlined* in Seattle was the No Exit tour in 1988. 
 
I have *NEVER* seen a headlining set from Fates Warning.   I will NOT be missing this.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mindflux on March 22, 2013, 08:55:31 PM
December is so far off.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 23, 2013, 06:02:29 AM
 
I have *NEVER* seen a headlining set from Fates Warning.   I will NOT be missing this.

That makes two of us.

Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on March 23, 2013, 10:47:57 AM
Happy Anniversary NO EXIT!!!   Released 25 years ago on this very day.

Gonna have to spin that today in tribute...
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nel on March 23, 2013, 10:50:01 AM
The Ivory Gate Of Dreams!  :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Dr. DTVT on March 23, 2013, 11:30:40 AM
Holy fuck...not only a South Carolina date, but it's on a weekend too!   :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: MoraWintersoul on March 23, 2013, 11:46:21 AM
I kinda wish they'd haul their asses to my part of Europe, but I know it won't happen. Still it would be awesome to see them, especially Jim Matheos. He's one of my heroes.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: pogoowner on March 24, 2013, 09:45:46 AM
A real tour out of them is so rare. I definitely don't want to miss that Cleveland show.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nick on March 24, 2013, 01:41:37 PM
I'll definitely see at least one show, most likely Dingbatz in NJ. With actual options I'm not really going to do any for sure planning for at least a few months.

As for the album, all I can say is:

ABOUT DAMN TIME.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on May 23, 2013, 10:02:10 AM
New interview posted this week with drummer Bobby Jarzombek.  New album drops in September and fans "will not be disappointed," he said.

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEdSdwBmQWg
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Dublagent66 on May 23, 2013, 11:26:55 AM
Didn't like IO at first, but it grew on me.  Love it now.  I prefer Alder over Arch but ATG is a good album.  Favorite FW album is APSOG.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on May 23, 2013, 11:49:42 AM
I have high hopes for this album too!!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Jaq on May 23, 2013, 02:35:01 PM
Happy Anniversary NO EXIT!!!   Released 25 years ago on this very day.

Gonna have to spin that today in tribute...


...fucking hell how'd I get so old?   :rollin
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TAC on May 23, 2013, 02:45:54 PM
Happy Anniversary NO EXIT!!!   Released 25 years ago on this very day.

Gonna have to spin that today in tribute...


...fucking hell how'd I get so old?   :rollin

No kidding!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on May 23, 2013, 04:46:28 PM
I'm really looking forward to this album.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on May 23, 2013, 05:56:56 PM
I'm really looking forward to this album.

Likewise. The Arch/Matheos album is one of my favorite albums ever, as well as Redemption's Snowfall on Judgement Day, so I'm really interested in seeing how the heavier style of progressive metal Matheos has been dabbling about with lately will match with Ray's voice. I'm hoping he sounds more like he did on Snowfall than on This Mortal Coil.

I have a good feeling this could be a contender for Album of the Year for me. Love Fates Warning, both with John Arch and with Ray. :metal

EDIT: Also, Bobby and Joey both mentioned on Facebook/Twitter back in April that there's an epic on the album that's about fourteen to fifteen minutes long. I can't wait to hear that one. :metal :tup
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on May 23, 2013, 06:07:52 PM
And with Frank back in the band, it will be even more magical.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on May 23, 2013, 06:10:35 PM
And with Frank back in the band, it will be even more magical.

Definitely. Frank and Jim are one of the most underrated guitar duos ever, IMO. LOVE their work together. :metal

I wonder who they'll get to do the album artwork?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 23, 2013, 06:35:12 PM
And with Frank back in the band, it will be even more magical.

Amen to that. I love his work and his presence on Arch/Matheo really made me realize how much I missed him.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on May 23, 2013, 08:18:02 PM
Yeah, I've missed him for a long time, incredible guitarist.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on May 25, 2013, 09:15:55 PM
I wonder if they'll get Kevin Moore to do any guest work for keyboards on the album? Love his contributions on Disconnected. :tup :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 26, 2013, 02:25:28 PM
I wonder if they'll get Kevin Moore to do any guest work for keyboards on the album? Love his contributions on Disconnected. :tup :metal
Jim has (relatively? I can't dig up the quote now but you can trust me on this) recently said he preferred not to "mess" with the studio chemistry they have in OSI ever since they started OSI (you notice Kevin's not on FWX, which came out a year after Office of Strategic Influence), but I don't think live stuff is out of the question unless Kevin is bound, doing something we don't know about yet.

Of course I've been having dreams of a joint OSI/Fates tour ever since Fates announced they'd be touring, or even since Jim and Kevin said an OSI tour is not out of the question provided they figured out the logistics and everything. But that just sounds too good to be true.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on May 26, 2013, 03:04:30 PM
I wonder if they'll get Kevin Moore to do any guest work for keyboards on the album? Love his contributions on Disconnected. :tup :metal

Jim has (relatively? I can't dig up the quote now but you can trust me on this) recently said he preferred not to "mess" with the studio chemistry they have in OSI ever since they started OSI (you notice Kevin's not on FWX, which came out a year after Office of Strategic Influence), but I don't think live stuff is out of the question unless Kevin is bound, doing something we don't know about yet.

Of course I've been having dreams of a joint OSI/Fates tour ever since Fates announced they'd be touring, or even since Jim and Kevin said an OSI tour is not out of the question provided they figured out the logistics and everything. But that just sounds too good to be true.

Well, that's a shame.  :sad: But still, I'm very glad Frank Aresti's back in the fold. :metal Should be a great album, I think. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 26, 2013, 03:25:44 PM
I wonder if they'll get Kevin Moore to do any guest work for keyboards on the album? Love his contributions on Disconnected. :tup :metal

Jim has (relatively? I can't dig up the quote now but you can trust me on this) recently said he preferred not to "mess" with the studio chemistry they have in OSI ever since they started OSI (you notice Kevin's not on FWX, which came out a year after Office of Strategic Influence), but I don't think live stuff is out of the question unless Kevin is bound, doing something we don't know about yet.

Of course I've been having dreams of a joint OSI/Fates tour ever since Fates announced they'd be touring, or even since Jim and Kevin said an OSI tour is not out of the question provided they figured out the logistics and everything. But that just sounds too good to be true.

Well, that's a shame.  :sad: But still, I'm very glad Frank Aresti's back in the fold. :metal Should be a great album, I think. :biggrin:
Yeah, Frank is just awesome :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on May 27, 2013, 10:05:43 PM
I was wondering if anyone would be interested in doing a Top 25 Fates Warning Songs thread? :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: PowerSlave on May 27, 2013, 10:41:26 PM
I was wondering if anyone would be interested in doing a Top 25 Fates Warning Songs thread? :biggrin:

Sounds interesting...
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on May 27, 2013, 11:00:25 PM
I was wondering if anyone would be interested in doing a Top 25 Fates Warning Songs thread? :biggrin:

Sounds interesting...

If we do do it though, should we only let it be from the Ray Alder era or should we include Arch too? And if we do include Arch, would it be fair to include the songs on the Arch/Matheos album?

Questions, questions... :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: PowerSlave on May 27, 2013, 11:47:49 PM
I would be inclined to add songs from the Arch era in the 80's. Awaken the Guardian alone contains some of the band's best output and should be included in any list.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 28, 2013, 01:21:58 AM
I was wondering if anyone would be interested in doing a Top 25 Fates Warning Songs thread? :biggrin:
Would!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on May 28, 2013, 04:45:17 AM
I would be inclined to add songs from the Arch era in the 80's. Awaken the Guardian alone contains some of the band's best output and should be included in any list.

THIS

I bought TSW when it was first released, so I was already an established fan way before Alder.  (I was actually very skeptical about anyone fronting FW besides Arch...but No Exit won me over)

I'm not sure how a top 25 would work out for me...but I'm positive that some AtG and TSW would make it in there somewhere.  Maybe even Damnation from NoB.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on May 28, 2013, 04:54:16 AM
A top 25 would be very hard IMO, so much variety in the band and so much to cover if your including all eras.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on May 28, 2013, 07:19:25 AM
I would be inclined to add songs from the Arch era in the 80's. Awaken the Guardian alone contains some of the band's best output and should be included in any list.

THIS

I bought TSW when it was first released, so I was already an established fan way before Alder.  (I was actually very skeptical about anyone fronting FW besides Arch...but No Exit won me over)

I'm not sure how a top 25 would work out for me...but I'm positive that some AtG and TSW would make it in there somewhere.  Maybe even Damnation from NoB.

I got into the band because of the Arch-era material and the Arch/Matheos album, so I'm with you in that I'm sure that there'd be a good amount of Arch material in my Top 25 too, even more so if we include the A/M album. I just wanted to see what others thought on that matter, given how different the Arch era is from the Alder era, despite being equally brilliant. :metal

A top 25 would be very hard IMO, so much variety in the band and so much to cover if your including all eras.

Oh definitely, but I think that's exactly why it'd be fun to try out. :biggrin:

I was wondering if anyone would be interested in doing a Top 25 Fates Warning Songs thread? :biggrin:
Would!

:tup
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on July 07, 2013, 10:24:36 PM
Interesting interview with one of the original Fates Warning guitarists. He really tosses Jim Matheos under the bus in some spots:

Link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/144728798959511/permalink/434301576668897/

Victor Arduini
COMPLETE ROCK HARD INTERVIEW:

1. Why did you leave Fates Warning after "Spectre"?
I was asked to leave as I was becoming concerned how I would afford to raise my family if the band went on a full tour. Back then we were all in our early 20's and I was the only member who was married. I learned I was to be a father in the coming year. We didn't make any money at the time and the prospect of quitting my job to go on the road just wasn't a reality. The other guys were young, hungry and single !! After expressing my concerns the band had a meeting which led to my dismissal. It was mutual at the time although I was very upset with Jim as he clearly expected everyone to put the band first at all costs or you were out. the problem was he wasn't the leader of the band. We were all equals in a sense but made to feel if we didn't go along he would get members to vote with him (reluctantly) and you'd get out voted. Jim and I were both writers in the band and competing to contribute to band. At times I felt he wanted more control than I would allow and that caused tension between us. After I left he became more controlling with other members of the band which led to John Arch leaving after ATG for similar reasons of difficulty touring as me with similar ultimatums given. From that point Jim finally got what he wanted and became the "leader" of the band. He now could write most of the songs and have full control over the direction of the music. While I still wish I could have been a part of ATG (We actually were rehearing a few songs before I left), I would have left after John did. he was the voice of the band and the arrogance of kicking John out would have really pushed me over the edge.. I appreciate the fact that Fates name and legacy have endured over the years and Jim has made some interesting music but I really just don't connect to what they have became musically in the following years.

2. What does the first two albums mean to you?
The first two albums are my youth. It brings back memories of five young guys still learning their chops and finding their influences together through all the new music coming out at the time. We were really a band of brothers who wanted to be a part of the metal world and began to write our first songs together in a garage while soaking up all this great music going on around us. Night On Broken was a raw, to the point metal album that started it all. I still remember getting the copies in the mail and holding our first record. Man we were so proud and we never looked back. We now saw ourselves as recording artist and felt we were among our peers. We began to get opening slots for Anvil, Overkill, Attacker, Obsession, Motorhead, Queensryche and got to live the life we always wanted.. The Specter Within was our first real production. The songs were much better written and it was so fuckin' heavy !! We got to live in California for 5 weeks to record the disc. We had the ability to get the best sound we wanted and to this day is is my favorite album Fates has done because it is just so raw and pure. I would have wanted to see Fates stay true to what Specter started and just expand from there. Freedoms Reign's CD is more of a continuation from where I left off with Spectre. Not that I'm trying to recapture Fates. It's more of just who I am as a musician and the natural abilities and influences that I had in 1985 are still there and I'm just being myself when I pick up a guitar and write riffs. There gonna have some sense of similarity with 28 years of growth and experience.

3. Why didn't they ask you to join them on stage for a couple of songs in Hartford 2012 ?
You'd have to ask Jim. It was suggested at one time to even do a tune but never heard anything beyond that. I was pretty uspet we couldn't get together for a bow. I mean it's the only time we all were in the same building and yet you don't make it happen ? For what reason wouldn't you ? No matter how many versions of Fates there are there will only be one true original line up that started it all. You can't erase that time or era. You can't pretend it doesn't matter. No matter what the five of us know what those first few years were about and despite that Jim has no interest in returning to his past, the rest of us still do as do many, many fans who would have loved to see us together for a moment in our hometown. People have asked me if I'd ever do a reunion show and my answer is YES !! But I know for a fact Jim would never consider it and even if he did I would find it hard to stand on stage and enjoy it while knowing he's mocking the songs inside and feeling he's above them now. Sorry but I embrace them and to play them again would be amazing and I'd need to know everyone on that stage felt the same way.

4. What have you done after leaving Fates and forming Freedoms Reign ?
Well I raised two fantastic kids which took up most of the next 20 years. I actually didn't play guitar for a few years after Fates. Just trying to find myself and be a good dad. But I soon realized how much I missed making music. I began writing/recording with some friends and soon saw myself back where I came from. I actually played bass for 3 years in a great local band who went through the process to trying to get signed..I've recorded a solo project in 1993 (Painted Horse) which I'm pretty proud of. In addition I went back to school and became a Registered Nurse and have spent 20 years working with the elderly. It's another passion that's rewarded my life.

5. How was the show for you in Hartford with the band ?
The show was fantastic !! We got to play some new songs to a Fates audience and it went over very well. Having so many people come up to us after the show and comment on the songs and energy they felt really said alot.

6. How is your relationship with Jim nowadays ?
It's more of a business relationship. he will let me know of things going on with re-releases or other business. We don't really speak or communicate much for other reasons. There's just not much in common except we both played together 30 yrs ago. And while I still embrace and cherish those days and the music we made I just don't think he feels the same which is pretty sad. Somehow he's embarrassed by it and can step away because of the what he's done since. It's like Sabbath turning their back on Paranoid !!!

7. Please introduce us to the band
The band consists of Mike Jones/Bass, Tommy Vumback/Guitar, Chris Judge/Drums. The band was actually in place before I joined. They had some songs written which I produced as a demo. I ended up writing lyrics, singing and soloing on all 10 and we put it out as a local release. I never planned on joining but was really impressed with their musicianship. Mike and I have know each other since we were 10. We actually found Steve Zimmerman together and started a cover band of new metal which then became Fates Warning. We've best friends who have played together over the years. Finally we get to play together again

8. In Freedoms Reign you sing and play guitar. How did you get the idea to take the vocals ?
I became a singer out of desperation. lol.. Seriously I just couldn't find a vocalist who heard the songs the way I did. There's so many great vocalists out there which I don't see myself as one, but good vocals don't always project the vibe of the song. I wrote or co-wrote all the music on this CD and had melodies in mind which I just couldn't see other people singing. I began doing some vocals in another bands I was recording with and realized I could make it work. After doing our 1st local release I got the confidence to do it full time and here we are. The new Cd allowed me the proper recording to bring out my vocals in the best light. I really dig writing the words and melodies over my music. It brings it full circle. I'm no John Arch but a bit of Ozzy will do.

9. Can you describe the bands style ?
The music is just Old School Metal !! Each song is it's own piece with influences from our past as well as present. I don't walk away from my Fates days and still bring a sense of that style and sound to the music. It's not a purposeful thing. I just still like to play the same way and love to write heavy powerful riffs just like i did in 1985. Yet there's so many things I've been influenced by over the years that show their way trough the music. I've already begun to write for the next CD which we hope to begin recording by early next year. I can say it will be darker and heavier. Some really cool riffs going on.

10. How big is the Sabbath influence ?
Sabbath will always be a huge influence in my writing. I worshiped them back in the day and Iommi's riffs are just amazing. I'm a riff player too and love to play any Sabbath riff I can. I don't want to be a Sabbath style band but there will always be an element of them in the writing. I've been told some of the vocals remind them of Ozzy. I really never even thought of that. I guess i just sing with a similar approach. I love listening to Ozzy sing Sabbath but also how the music and the vocals always worked so well together. Every album they did was a bit different than the last where todays bands sound identical to their last. I can't tell what album a song is from. I'd like to see our band approach each release the same way.

11. How did it come that Nick Belmore did the production ?
I heard a demo by Joe DiBiase's son's band (Oath Of Insanity). The first thing that blew me away was the production, especially the drum sound. It was exactly what I wanted and know with our songs he could bring them to life. We met and hit it off instantly. He truly has a talent for recording and was a great extra member of the band in the studio. He's worked with Hate Breed as well as his own band Toxic Holocaust.

12. You signed to a European label. How did that happen ? Did you find an American distribution ?
There's really not a great audience for actual CD's in the U.S. We went with Enrico at Cruz Del Sur because he has a great reputation in the U.K and has the ability to get our music to an audience that respects what we do. There's such a cool metal scene in Europe. The kids still support the band by buying the CD's, going to shows. It reminds me of when Fates began in 1983. Bands such as Metallica, Iron Maiden, Merciful Fate, Accept, Diamond Head, Loudness were all just starting and I couldn't get enough of it. You'd go down to the local record store and see what new imports were in. Now I see the same thing in U.K. I have one goal and that is to get our band over to UK and do some shows. I want to be apart of what's going on knowing our music would fit right in. There's a huge Fates following in Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Greece, Holland and I want to see us get on some festivals and/or support another band doing a few weeks of shows. We're looking to see how the CD does and go from there.

13. Do you include some fates warning songs in the setlist ?
No.. First of all I can't sing that stuff and secondly we don't want to confuse people. I mean this band has nothing to do with Fates other than myself once playing with them. Fates is a special thing to me and unless I see John Arch and the band standing on stage with me I really would rather not do it. I did do a one-off show last year with Steve Zimmerman's band and at end of the night we played 2 old Fates classics (Misfit and Soldier Boy) It was great to do it and we nailed it pretty good. felt like 1984 all over again.

14. For sure you cannot live on the money you earn with FR. What is your profession ?
I'm a Registered Nurse. I always say it pay's the bills so I can loose money playing music !!! Seriously I love Nursing. It's a great career, very rewarding and I love the geriatric population I get to work with every day. As far as Freedoms Reign goes we just hope to earn enough to record another CD as well as get to UK to do some shows. Once you take the thought of being rich out of the equation everything makes sense and is fun. The passion to write and record music is something I'll never put a price on

15. What is the message behind the cover ?
There really isn't any meaning. We came up with our name just throwing some ideas around. When I saw the artwork it just appealed to me in some cool way. The angel in the picture has been freed from her reign of submission, yet she seems sad as if she may not want to be free. Sometimes in life the obvious choice isn't what we always want.

16. Is FR a political band ?
Absolutly not. I hate fuckin politics. I can't stand how the US Government operates. I mean whatever one side comes up with the other rejects just out of spite. For being the greatest nation in the world we have our heads up our ass when it comes to making decisions and getting things done. Supposed to be "One Nation, Under God... "We act like kids sometimes and I'd never mix music with politics. Would take all the fun out of it — with Tom Vumback.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mosh on July 07, 2013, 11:09:46 PM
Bought A Pleasant Shade Of Gray yesterday. Haven't really listened to this band so not sure what to expect. I heard it's awesome though.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: SoundscapeMN on July 08, 2013, 01:09:39 AM
Mebert, thanks for passing that interview along. I was not aware of Victor's feelings/perspective about Fates and Jim. Although I wouldn't be surprised if there may be some stuff about it on Fateswarning.info if that site is still around.

I actually just posted some thoughts about it in my blog, allmediareviews, in fact.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: MoraWintersoul on July 08, 2013, 01:45:19 AM
He really tosses Jim Matheos under the bus in some spots
And he does so, basically, because Jim doesn't like the old stuff he did anymore, because he doesn't appear to want to maintain a personal connection with a dude he played with 30 years ago and because he wanted everyone in the band to be 100% dedicated to the band.

Eh. Doesn't sound like a problematic attitude to me, and it aligns with everything I know and/or suppose to know about Jim.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: PowerSlave on July 08, 2013, 03:46:35 AM
Considering the fact that Arch/Matheos performed some music from the early records during their shows and Jim wanted to work with John Arch again, I'm having trouble putting a lot of stock into some of those comments. Sure, FW changed a lot over the years, but everyone's tastes evolve over time. Also, considering the fact that the Arch/Matheos album has some of the heaviest riffs that Jim has ever written...
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on July 08, 2013, 04:22:44 AM
Sounds like the issue is more with him than Jim.  I don't see much wrong here.  Jim has always been very focused on the band and its future, I would probably be the same.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: pogoowner on July 09, 2013, 03:39:09 PM
If a band is going to be successful, it needs to tour. I think John Arch has come to terms with that, and he's admitted that touring and doing a ton of live shows really isn't for him. I don't know why Victor finds that situation hard to understand. It sounds like they just couldn't agree on musical direction.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on July 09, 2013, 04:05:00 PM
Sounds like the issue is more with him than Jim.  I don't see much wrong here.  Jim has always been very focused on the band and its future, I would probably be the same.

I don't see any problems overall either
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on July 13, 2013, 05:32:20 PM
BUMP!

Anyone heard anything new about the album?  I've noticed that tickets to the Seattle show are available at the venue's website, and I'm going to pick some up next payday (even though it's 5 months in advance).    But has anyone heard anything about a release date on the album?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 13, 2013, 08:17:20 PM
I've got my ticket for the Reading PA show. I would love to here some info on the new album though.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on August 01, 2013, 11:05:27 AM
From FaceBook

Quote from: Fates Warning
FATES WARNING – Reveal new album title, artwork and release date; Announce tourdates!

U.S. Progressive Metal pioneers FATES WARNING have finally returned with their first studio album release in about a decade! Entitled “Darkness In A Different Light”, the album will be released on September 30th, 2013 in Europe and October 1st, 2013 in North America via InsideOutMusic.

“Darkness In A Different Light” is FATES WARNING’s first album of new material since the release of “FWX” in 2004 and also marks the first release for the band’s stellar current line-up of Ray Alder (vocals), Jim Matheos and Frank Aresti (guitars), Joey Vera (bass) and Bobby Jarzombek (drums).

The album was produced by Matheos and mixed by long time FATES WARNING engineer Phil Magnotti, while mastering was handled by Maor Appelbaum at Maor Appelbaum Mastering, California.
The (above pictured) artwork for the album was designed by Conte di San Pietro.

FATES WARNING vocalist Ray Alder checked in with a comment as follows:

"Darkness in a Different Light" is the result of almost two years of very hard work from everyone in the band.
I believe that this line-up is the best that Fates has ever had, and I also think that it comes through in the music on this album. It's been almost nine years since our last studio album and I couldn't be more proud of what we've accomplished here.
We are looking very much forward to playing some new songs for our fans who have stuck by us over all these years. We plan on touring as much as possible for "Darkness in a Different Light" and hopefully we'll hit a few places we've never been...

Indeed, FATES WARNING already have headlining touring runs confirmed for October in Europe and November/December in North America, with further live activity to follow in 2014.
See http://fateswarning.com/ for the complete list of tour dates.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mindflux on August 01, 2013, 11:06:33 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1095070_483037751779173_976724943_n.jpg)
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on August 01, 2013, 11:06:57 AM
Interesting artwork. I like it.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on August 01, 2013, 11:18:49 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1095070_483037751779173_976724943_n.jpg)

ALL OF MY HYPE. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy This is probably my most anticipated album for the year, and I'll DEFINITELY be getting this one on release date! :metal :tup
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nick on August 01, 2013, 12:06:41 PM
FINALLY!!!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Jaq on August 01, 2013, 12:08:39 PM
Given what this line up, only with John Arch in Ray Alder's place, did on the Arch/Matheos album, I can only say I'm fucking STOKED about the potential of this album. Should be awesome.  :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 01, 2013, 12:14:40 PM
Unusual choice of cover art for a prog-metal band, but I like it! Cool album title as well. Can´t wait to hear it!

They only made it to South America once, last year in the infamous show where they opened for Queensryche with Portnoy on drums. That was the exact show where Geoff Tate spit on Scott Rockenfield, basically sealing the fate of the band for the months to come. I didn´t really notice it happening on stage, to be honest. Both bands kicked a$$, and Mike did a great job replacing Jarzombek. Fond memories of that day found below:

 (http://imageshack.us/a/img571/2488/p1010300m.jpg)
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Madman Shepherd on August 01, 2013, 12:33:25 PM
Sweet.  Seems like a good year to finally get into Fates Warning...I'll be there opening night! 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TheGreatPretender on August 01, 2013, 01:12:09 PM
Wow. September 30th, one week after DT... That's pretty bold. But between DT, Queensryche and this, it's definitely an exciting year for Progressive Metal.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: RuRoRul on August 01, 2013, 01:23:19 PM
Sweet, wasn't sure if this was going to make it this year  :tup

One week after DT, same day as Alter Bridge, hopefully I find the time to give this the amount of listening it deserves.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on August 01, 2013, 01:34:37 PM
Cool album name and cover! Can't wait for this release
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on August 01, 2013, 01:41:56 PM
I could cry.  It's been a long nine years waiting for this release.  DT and FW releasing albums with a week of each other.  Wow!

Looks like the FW website is getting revamped.  I can't even access the FW forum.  "Something different is coming," it says. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 01, 2013, 01:51:36 PM
I love that album art.

FINALLY!!!

Nick, are you going to the Reading show?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on August 01, 2013, 02:16:13 PM
I love that album art.

It was done by the same guy who did Kevin Moore's Shine album.  Alessandro Falca of a company called Conte di San Pietro.

For some reason, I had an urge to invert the artwork colors, because origami is usually done on white paper.  Looks cool this way too, although I think the solid white background of the current cover will look really crisp and clean on a physical copy of the album!

(http://imageshack.com/scaled/large/547/z2so.jpg)

Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TheGreatPretender on August 01, 2013, 02:32:12 PM
I love that album art.

It was done by the same guy who did Kevin Moore's Shine album.  Alessandro Falca of a company called Conte di San Pietro.

For some reason, I had an urge to invert the artwork colors, because origami is usually done on white paper.  Looks cool this way too, although I think the solid white background of the current cover will look really crisp and clean on a physical copy of the album!

Considering the album title, I think it'd be really cool if they did have an inverted version of it, on the booklet or something.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on August 01, 2013, 02:35:01 PM
I love that album art.

It was done by the same guy who did Kevin Moore's Shine album.  Alessandro Falca of a company called Conte di San Pietro.

For some reason, I had an urge to invert the artwork colors, because origami is usually done on white paper.  Looks cool this way too, although I think the solid white background of the current cover will look really crisp and clean on a physical copy of the album!

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You know, I think I like that even better than the regular version. Nice job! :tup
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on August 01, 2013, 02:42:45 PM
I love that album art.

It was done by the same guy who did Kevin Moore's Shine album.  Alessandro Falca of a company called Conte di San Pietro.

For some reason, I had an urge to invert the artwork colors, because origami is usually done on white paper.  Looks cool this way too, although I think the solid white background of the current cover will look really crisp and clean on a physical copy of the album!

Considering the album title, I think it'd be really cool if they did have an inverted version of it, on the booklet or something.

Yeah, I get what you mean.  I feel like there's a whole light/dark or black/white thing going on between the album title and the origami paper being black instead of white, as you'd usually find.  I'm sure there's a method to the madness that we'll see and understand when we eventually get the album!  It's very prog and I like what they've done so far.  Can't wait to see what other artwork pops up in the booklet.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: pogoowner on August 01, 2013, 03:28:54 PM
This is such great news. Most-anticipated album of the year.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nick on August 01, 2013, 03:39:13 PM
I love that album art.

It was done by the same guy who did Kevin Moore's Shine album.  Alessandro Falca of a company called Conte di San Pietro.

For some reason, I had an urge to invert the artwork colors, because origami is usually done on white paper.  Looks cool this way too, although I think the solid white background of the current cover will look really crisp and clean on a physical copy of the album!

(http://imageshack.com/scaled/large/547/z2so.jpg)



As cool as the original is, I definitely like yours better.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TheGreatPretender on August 01, 2013, 03:41:34 PM
I think if the inverted image had the orange instead of pale blue, it'd be the best version. And the white version would look better with the pale blue, IMO. But that's just my own color coordination preferences.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 01, 2013, 03:43:25 PM
I would like to take this moment to say that JM is my favorite guitarist on the planet.  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: pain of occupation on August 01, 2013, 05:30:26 PM
Wow. September 30th, one week after DT... That's pretty bold. But between DT, Queensryche and this, it's definitely an exciting year for Progressive Metal.

not as bold as arch/matheos coming out the same fucking day as ADTOE.

...speakin of which, i love how i was anticipating DT releasing 2011's album of the year, and they didnt even release the best album of the day.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: abydos on August 01, 2013, 11:17:50 PM
This is some great news indeed. Can't wait!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nel on August 01, 2013, 11:30:22 PM
That cover looks so different and I love it.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Madman Shepherd on August 02, 2013, 12:07:36 AM
While the unofficial alternate cover does indeed look cool, I like the actual album cover since it is all white and yet the album title is Darkness in a Different Light.  To me that indicates a unique way to look at the concept of darkness. 

Deep stuff.....I think. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on August 02, 2013, 04:50:05 AM
So looking forward to this.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jingle.boy on August 02, 2013, 05:18:59 AM
In exploring FW, I tried Pleasant Shade way back when it was first released, and was underwhelmed.  At the time, Alder's voice wasn't floating my boat.  I gotta revisit them, because I've gone to Parallels on DTF recommendations, and 'twas very nice.  Thinking I'll be following for this.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on August 02, 2013, 05:21:21 AM
Fates Warning needs a lot of time, I mean a lot of time and listens.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 02, 2013, 05:50:51 AM
In exploring FW, I tried Pleasant Shade way back when it was first released, and was underwhelmed.  At the time, Alder's voice wasn't floating my boat.  I gotta revisit them, because I've gone to Parallels on DTF recommendations, and 'twas very nice.  Thinking I'll be following for this.

A PLeasant Shade of Grey is not a great place to start knowing them...it´s a concept album that goes on and on, and does not seem to get anywhere when it ends. If I was to show FW to a friend of mine who´s never heard them, I´d start with PArallels or PErfect Symmetry.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jingle.boy on August 02, 2013, 05:52:09 AM
Probably the reason I was underwhelmed.  Ok, gonna try PS, as I've listened Parallels (and liked it plenty).
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mat JB on August 02, 2013, 05:54:28 AM
Good news about the new album. Hopefully this one is more along the lines of Arch/Matheos than FWX.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: abydos on August 02, 2013, 08:09:25 AM
APSOG may not be the best album to judge on just a few listens. After hearing Parallels I got APSOG and was very disappointed on the first few listens, but after I heard the live album the songs really clicked with me. Also, that live setlist/performance is probably one of the best live albums ever recorded. Flawless.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 02, 2013, 08:45:07 AM
APSOG may not be the best album to judge on just a few listens. After hearing Parallels I got APSOG and was very disappointed on the first few listens, but after I heard the live album the songs really clicked with me. Also, that live setlist/performance is probably one of the best live albums ever recorded. Flawless.

 I've never heard the live album...where can I buy it? It still has Mark on drums, right?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TAC on August 02, 2013, 09:50:12 AM
APSOG may not be the best album to judge on just a few listens. After hearing Parallels I got APSOG and was very disappointed on the first few listens, but after I heard the live album the songs really clicked with me. Also, that live setlist/performance is probably one of the best live albums ever recorded. Flawless.

 I've never heard the live album...where can I buy it? It still has Mark on drums, right?

It is called Still Life and yes, it has Mark on drums.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nick on August 02, 2013, 10:28:01 AM
I love that album art.

FINALLY!!!

Nick, are you going to the Reading show?

Sorry I missed this earlier, I will indeed be going to that show!

Closer to the date I may decide to go to the NJ show as well.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nick on August 02, 2013, 10:29:33 AM
Oh, and I will remind everyone, when you post about a new release in a thread, PLEASE also post about it in the release date thread! Help keep it current!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nel on August 02, 2013, 11:15:47 AM
I still haven't listened to all of APSoG. I usually tune out around track 4 or 5. Nothing that's going on on that album is interesting enough to warrant being one long, continuous song. I really like all the other Alder albums. Especially FWX, so I hope this one keeps up like that.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 02, 2013, 11:25:15 AM
Let´s not forget the excellent Inside Out, which has probably my favourite song form their whole output, "Face the Fear".
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: MoraWintersoul on August 02, 2013, 11:33:38 AM
Let´s not forget the excellent Inside Out, which has probably my favourite song form their whole output, "Face the Fear".
Oh man, indeed.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wasteland on August 02, 2013, 11:35:15 AM
I still haven't listened to all of APSoG. I usually tune out around track 4 or 5. Nothing that's going on on that album is interesting enough to warrant being one long, continuous song. I really like all the other Alder albums. Especially FWX, so I hope this one keeps up like that.

I haven't listened to all their albums, but so far APSOG is by far my fave. It won't disappoint in full. And why, you missed all the best parts, like VI and XII! :o
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mindflux on August 02, 2013, 11:35:30 AM
You guys are making me want to buy more CDs.. stop that.

Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 02, 2013, 11:39:52 AM
You guys are making me want to buy more CDs.. stop that.

 Buy the Winery Dogs CD as well, and help them keep their spot in Billboard´s Top 30!  :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mindflux on August 02, 2013, 11:40:32 AM
You guys are making me want to buy more CDs.. stop that.

 Buy the Winery Dogs CD as well, and help them keep their spot in Billboard´s Top 30!  :metal :metal

Got that on release day.

I've got in my amazon cart:

Still Life
Parallels
Inside Out

DO IT?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: abydos on August 02, 2013, 11:49:10 AM
Yeah, no doubt. GOGOGOG!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 02, 2013, 11:52:26 AM
You guys are making me want to buy more CDs.. stop that.

 Buy the Winery Dogs CD as well, and help them keep their spot in Billboard´s Top 30!  :metal :metal

Got that on release day.

I've got in my amazon cart:

Still Life
Parallels
Inside Out

DO IT?

NOW!!!   :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 02, 2013, 11:58:06 AM
Dunno if this was shown here on the forum when it happened, but htis is the show I went to, when MP played drums for FW - São PAulo, last year:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnhtKqKm_TY&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nick on August 02, 2013, 12:55:21 PM
You guys are making me want to buy more CDs.. stop that.

 Buy the Winery Dogs CD as well, and help them keep their spot in Billboard´s Top 30!  :metal :metal

Yeah, I'll give you 10:1 odds on any wager that isn't going to happen. They'll be lucky to stay in the top 75 in week 2. Just the nature of how it usually works.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: PowerSlave on August 03, 2013, 12:29:58 AM
Dunno if this was shown here on the forum when it happened, but htis is the show I went to, when MP played drums for FW - São PAulo, last year:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnhtKqKm_TY&feature=player_embedded

Very cool video. Thanks for sharing!!!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Cyclopssss on August 03, 2013, 04:06:35 AM
Definiteley anticipating this one!!!!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on August 04, 2013, 10:44:43 AM
Do you think we can modify the thread title to reflect the new album and release date?

I just bought my VIP ticket for a meet and greet at the NYC show in Nov.  Only $50!  What a bargain!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Madman Shepherd on August 04, 2013, 12:18:56 PM
Do you think we can modify the thread title to reflect the new album and release date?

I just bought my VIP ticket for a meet and greet at the NYC show in Nov.  Only $50!  What a bargain!

Are they only doing that for NYC?  The opening date in Joliet doesn't have anything about VIP tickets :/
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: MoraWintersoul on August 04, 2013, 12:49:39 PM
Whoever sees Matheos please do bug him about getting OSI on tour. But like really subtly and politely/
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on August 04, 2013, 02:09:00 PM
Whoever sees Matheos please do bug him about getting OSI on tour. But like really subtly and politely/

I've seen him be asked about this more than once.   I really get the feeling that it's all KM that has the issue with touring, and that JM would do it in a heartbeat if KM greenlighted it.   But I really don't think he likes touring.   
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Madman Shepherd on August 04, 2013, 02:39:24 PM
Whoever sees Matheos please do bug him about getting OSI on tour. But like really subtly and politely/

I've seen him be asked about this more than once.   I really get the feeling that it's all KM that has the issue with touring, and that JM would do it in a heartbeat if KM greenlighted it.   But I really don't think he likes touring.   

I don't agree thats the issue.  If it were to happen, it would be very production intensive which isn't feasible for a band of that stature.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on August 04, 2013, 05:15:01 PM
My friend and I asked Jim about the osi tour after the arch/matheos show in connecticut. He said the issue was that osi music is very production oriented and requires a lot of work to assemble in a live format. I believe kevin has said in recent interviews that he wants to play live. If he reallly means that, i wish he would just do it already!  At this point, im just happy to see fates live again. Such a great band.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on August 04, 2013, 05:58:58 PM
My friend and I asked Jim about the osi tour after the arch/matheos show in connecticut. He said the issue was that osi music is very production oriented and requires a lot of work to assemble in a live format. I believe kevin has said in recent interviews that he wants to play live. If he reallly means that, i wish he would just do it already!  At this point, im just happy to see fates live again. Such a great band.

You guys make a good point...but come on.  How many live shows *in any form* has Kevin done since he left DT?

One or two FW shows, and *one* Chroma Key show at a club in Turkey?  In almost 20 years?    Forgive me if I have an eyebrow based on his track record.

I love KM, I love CK, I love OSI...I just have my suspicions about how badly KM actually wants to tour.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mindflux on August 05, 2013, 09:23:19 AM
Listening to my AutoRip of Inside out.

What's this track Outside Looking in? Sounds like the god damned backstreet boys.

Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on August 05, 2013, 02:54:01 PM
What's this track Outside Looking in? Sounds like the god damned backstreet boys.

wut?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mindflux on August 05, 2013, 02:55:06 PM
What's this track Outside Looking in? Sounds like the god damned backstreet boys.

wut?

Listened to the first track on "Inside out" (was recommended in this thread).. sounds like the damn backstreet boys got back together.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: abydos on August 05, 2013, 05:06:27 PM
Yeah, you've suffered some ear infection I believe. InsideOut is Parallels 2. Continuation of the sound, just as amazing.
The title song is brilliant.  2:43 - eargasm.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mindflux on August 05, 2013, 05:23:02 PM
Yeah, you've suffered some ear infection I believe. InsideOut is Parallels 2. Continuation of the sound, just as amazing.
The title song is brilliant.  2:43 - eargasm.

Maybe it's the Amazon Autorip. My CD will be here tomorrow.   There is no "title song" by way.

Too much damn harmonizing with the chorus.

Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: abydos on August 05, 2013, 05:25:59 PM
Yeah, I meant Outside Looking In. I've always accepted this as the "title" song.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on August 05, 2013, 07:09:39 PM
What's this track Outside Looking in? Sounds like the god damned backstreet boys.

wut?

Listened to the first track on "Inside out" (was recommended in this thread).. sounds like the damn backstreet boys got back together.

This simply makes no sense at all.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mindflux on August 05, 2013, 07:31:27 PM
This simply makes no sense at all.

Makes perfect sense. Those harmonies in the chorus.. THOSE HARMONIES.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on August 05, 2013, 07:59:22 PM
You've seriously GOT to be listening to the wrong song.    There are background vocals in that song...but they are pretty buried...and not "poppy" harmonies at all.   Hell....the Galactic Cowboys have 10x more harmonies than anything FW has ever recorded...and even they are not even on the same planet as The Backstreet Boys.

EDIT:  And while I'm not the biggest fan of IO, the opening track is one of the better songs. 

Really...it's a really good (not great) album that mostly just suffers from the horribly thin production.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mindflux on August 05, 2013, 08:31:16 PM
You've seriously GOT to be listening to the wrong song.    There are background vocals in that song...but they are pretty buried...and not "poppy" harmonies at all.   Hell....the Galactic Cowboys have 10x more harmonies than anything FW has ever recorded...and even they are not even on the same planet as The Backstreet Boys.

EDIT:  And while I'm not the biggest fan of IO, the opening track is one of the better songs. 

Really...it's a really good (not great) album that mostly just suffers from the horribly thin production.

No it's the right song, confirmed the lyrics to a couple sites.  Then I checked out a youtube version of the song, same song.

You're right, the production is buried.  The vocals are way in the front of the music.. listening at work on cheap speakers doesn't help fur sure.. but even on my macbook at home where I can crank it up (which still isn't high fidelity or anything) it just sounds very poppy... ESPECIALLY the chorus. The music itself isn't the issue, it's the damn vocals.




Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mindflux on August 06, 2013, 08:11:42 PM
http://www.amazon.com/Darkness-Different-Light-Fates-Warning/dp/B00EC6W0AG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1375841478&sr=8-1&keywords=fates+warning+darkness

Preorder is up.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on August 06, 2013, 08:14:36 PM
You've seriously GOT to be listening to the wrong song.    There are background vocals in that song...but they are pretty buried...and not "poppy" harmonies at all.   Hell....the Galactic Cowboys have 10x more harmonies than anything FW has ever recorded...and even they are not even on the same planet as The Backstreet Boys.

EDIT:  And while I'm not the biggest fan of IO, the opening track is one of the better songs. 

Really...it's a really good (not great) album that mostly just suffers from the horribly thin production.

No it's the right song, confirmed the lyrics to a couple sites.  Then I checked out a youtube version of the song, same song.

You're right, the production is buried.  The vocals are way in the front of the music.. listening at work on cheap speakers doesn't help fur sure.. but even on my macbook at home where I can crank it up (which still isn't high fidelity or anything) it just sounds very poppy... ESPECIALLY the chorus. The music itself isn't the issue, it's the damn vocals.

I was just listening to this back to back with "Leave the Past Behind"....I hear absolutely NO difference in the vocal harmonies of the chorus.   In fact (as much as I love LTPB) I would say the latter is actually the *more* commercial sounding of the two songs...in spite of the fact that the choruses actually sound a bit similar.

Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mindflux on August 06, 2013, 08:25:23 PM
You've seriously GOT to be listening to the wrong song.    There are background vocals in that song...but they are pretty buried...and not "poppy" harmonies at all.   Hell....the Galactic Cowboys have 10x more harmonies than anything FW has ever recorded...and even they are not even on the same planet as The Backstreet Boys.

EDIT:  And while I'm not the biggest fan of IO, the opening track is one of the better songs. 

Really...it's a really good (not great) album that mostly just suffers from the horribly thin production.

No it's the right song, confirmed the lyrics to a couple sites.  Then I checked out a youtube version of the song, same song.

You're right, the production is buried.  The vocals are way in the front of the music.. listening at work on cheap speakers doesn't help fur sure.. but even on my macbook at home where I can crank it up (which still isn't high fidelity or anything) it just sounds very poppy... ESPECIALLY the chorus. The music itself isn't the issue, it's the damn vocals.

I was just listening to this back to back with "Leave the Past Behind"....I hear absolutely NO difference in the vocal harmonies of the chorus.   In fact (as much as I love LTPB) I would say the latter is actually the *more* commercial sounding of the two songs...in spite of the fact that the choruses actually sound a bit similar.

LTPB has a much better mix.  The music is actually there... OLI it's kind of like they forgot to move the sliders up on the mix. Even if the chorus' are similar the music helps hide the poppiness of some of the singing on LTPB.

Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mindflux on August 07, 2013, 01:39:40 PM
New website up

http://fateswarning.com/
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on August 07, 2013, 02:32:18 PM
Wow, liner notes and press releases from every album -- and a comprehensive tour history.  Nice.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 07, 2013, 02:53:03 PM
What we really need is a single.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TAC on August 07, 2013, 04:32:28 PM
Wow, liner notes and press releases from every album -- and a comprehensive tour history.  Nice.
Great list.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mindflux on August 13, 2013, 03:32:03 PM
http://www.insideoutmusicshop.com/Artist/Fates_Warning/1928

Preorder the album or album+shirt combo.


http://www.insideoutmusicshop.com/Item/Fates_Warning_-_Darkness_In_a_Different_Light_-PRE-ORDER-/1811


DOUBLE CD! Not bad even if the second disc is just goodies
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on August 13, 2013, 04:04:48 PM
Definitely getting that double cd.

I'm really keen to hear something from this.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on August 13, 2013, 07:35:41 PM
Highly anticipating hearing something from this release
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Dr. DTVT on August 13, 2013, 07:55:25 PM
Nick should have his review up soon.  All I will add is that I by in large agree with him.

What did he say?  You'll find out soon.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nick on August 13, 2013, 07:58:08 PM
Here is my review of the album, looking forward to this tour even more now!

http://www.wpapu.com/rev073.html
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Orthogonal on August 13, 2013, 09:30:10 PM
It has been so long I've largely moved on from FW, they used to be one of my favorite bands. Oh well. I'll still pick up this release and hope for the best. The review does well enough to pique my interest.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: PowerSlave on August 13, 2013, 11:35:39 PM
Nick, very interesting review. How would you compare the album stylistically to the Arch/Matheos album? I know that you say that this effort is a bit different than the other projects that Jim has worked on in the last nine years, but I'm wondering if there are many similarities to the album that was released a couple of years ago. Part of the reason that I ask is that I know that some of the tracks on the Arch/Matheos album were originally intended to be FW songs ect. ect...
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Dr. DTVT on August 13, 2013, 11:47:55 PM
I'm not answering for Nick, but I would say it's not as heavy as Arch/Matheos.  I'd say they are pretty different animals.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: PowerSlave on August 14, 2013, 02:35:42 AM
I'm not answering for Nick, but I would say it's not as heavy as Arch/Matheos.  I'd say they are pretty different animals.

Did you get to hear the new material as well? I'm obviously jealous of you guys lol... I'm really pumped up about this album and getting to see them live again later this year. I havn't seen FW live since they were the opening act for DT and Queensryche in 2003.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TheGreatPretender on August 14, 2013, 03:01:29 AM
Did you get to hear the new material as well? I'm obviously jealous of you guys lol... I'm really pumped up about this album and getting to see them live again later this year. I havn't seen FW live since they were the opening act for DT and Queensryche in 2003.

Well, I guess being 'jealous' is all relative. After all, you got to see the "Big Three" of Progressive Metal, and I sure as hell am jealous of that.  ;D
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TAC on August 14, 2013, 05:30:22 AM
Count me as a fan that has been nothing but frustrated at the lack of new material.

But after A/M and Nick's review, I am really looking forward to this.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nick on August 14, 2013, 07:04:28 AM
Arch/Matheos is definitely heavier, but the level and at times style of guitar work on that album is certainly seen on the new Fates album.

Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on August 14, 2013, 07:10:44 AM
Arch/Matheos is definitely heavier, but the level and at times style of guitar work on that album is certainly seen on the new Fates album.

Nice. :tup Could you describe Ray's vocal performance on this? Is it more akin to his performance on previous FW albums like Disconnected or does he sound more like he does on the Redemption albums like Snowfall On Judgement Day?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on August 14, 2013, 08:31:25 AM
I talked briefly with Joey Vera after an Armored Saint concert in late 2011, after the release of Arch/Matheos.  I asked why no FW album.  He led me to believe it was mostly because Ray did not "feel" the material that Jim had been coming up with, and so it was used for the Arch/Matheos record instead.  So, it makes sense that the new FW is a little different sounding than the A/M.  I trust Jim's songwriting and I know this album will kick ass.  Love the review, Nick.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TAC on August 14, 2013, 09:00:41 AM
I talked briefly with Joey Vera after an Armored Saint concert in late 2011, after the release of Arch/Matheos.  I asked why no FW album.  He led me to believe it was mostly because Ray did not "feel" the material that Jim had been coming up with, and so it was used for the Arch/Matheos record instead.  So, it makes sense that the new FW is a little different sounding than the A/M.  I trust Jim's songwriting and I know this album will kick ass.  Love the review, Nick.
Awesome!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: pogoowner on August 14, 2013, 04:26:53 PM
I'm not answering for Nick, but I would say it's not as heavy as Arch/Matheos.  I'd say they are pretty different animals.

Did you get to hear the new material as well? I'm obviously jealous of you guys lol... I'm really pumped up about this album and getting to see them live again later this year. I havn't seen FW live since they were the opening act for DT and Queensryche in 2003.
Yeah, that's the only time I've ever been able to see them too. I'll definitely be checking them out on this tour, though.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 14, 2013, 06:39:13 PM

 I havn't seen FW live since they were the opening act for DT and Queensryche in 2003.

I'm so jealous.

 Back in 2003 I was like 14 years old and had no way to go to concerts at that point, but dumb me was like "oh I'll just catch them of the next tour". Wasn't expecting them to disappear for 10 years  :P

Regardless my FW ticket for this tour is printed and sitting on my nightstand. This time I will be seeing them
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nick on August 14, 2013, 07:04:28 PM
I got into DT, QR, and FW all with 1 or 2 years of that tour. Ever since I've looked back at it with RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Orthogonal on August 14, 2013, 07:18:24 PM
I was into all 3 bands at the time of that tour, but couldn't go due to some big projects at college at the time. I'm kicking myself in retrospect.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 14, 2013, 07:21:14 PM
 When was the tour that QR was meant to do with DT but decided to open for Maiden instead - the one that sparkled the whole Portnoy outburst against QR for leaving DT empty-handed?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on August 14, 2013, 07:21:45 PM
I really want to hear something from this album pretty soon, I'm getting impatient.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: PowerSlave on August 14, 2013, 11:40:19 PM
When was the tour that QR was meant to do with DT but decided to open for Maiden instead - the one that sparkled the whole Portnoy outburst against QR for leaving DT empty-handed?

I believe that was in 2000. I seen QR and Halford open for IM on that tour. Halford actually opened the show, but they should have been the middle act in my opinion.

Also, I've seen FW live a total of 3 times, but the DT/QR opening gig was the last as I mentioned before. Of those 3 times I've only seen them headline once. That was for APSOG. The other time I seen them was for Disconnected and they opened for Savatage in Cleveland, Ohio.

The last time that I seen them was probably their weakest performance. It wasn't really a bad set, but they had Nick D'Virgilio playing drums for them at the time and while I think he's a great drummer, he's just not suitable as a replacement for Mark.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on August 15, 2013, 02:10:43 AM
I really want to hear something from this album pretty soon, I'm getting impatient.

Yeah can't wait either.  Getting a new FW along with new DT within a week of each other is going to be awesome.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nick on August 15, 2013, 05:50:26 AM
Actually, didn't Arch/Matheos come out on the same day as ADToE?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on August 15, 2013, 05:56:11 AM
I think that's right.  For some reason, September 24 or 25 is ringing a bell.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TAC on August 15, 2013, 06:02:20 AM
Actually, didn't Arch/Matheos come out on the same day as ADToE?
I believe you are correct sir.

I think that's right.  For some reason, September 24 or 25 is ringing a bell.
First Tuesday in September 2011.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on August 15, 2013, 06:03:52 AM
Yeah, I thought it was September.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nick on August 15, 2013, 07:16:19 AM
Funny then that this is being released the week before and after Dream Theater.

MP must be behind this!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mindflux on August 16, 2013, 11:17:48 AM
Tuesday they are going to stream a track from the new album!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: T-ski on August 16, 2013, 12:43:01 PM
you can hear a new track here...

http://www.sun103.com/pages/eleventhhour.html

starts at the 26:30 mark.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: kirksnosehair on August 16, 2013, 12:56:38 PM
you can hear a new track here...

http://www.sun103.com/pages/eleventhhour.html (http://www.sun103.com/pages/eleventhhour.html)

starts at the 26:30 mark.


Awesomesauce!  :metal


Sounds great!   
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: kirksnosehair on August 16, 2013, 12:59:41 PM
dat guitar solo   :hefdaddy



Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on August 16, 2013, 02:14:30 PM
Ahh, i'm about to listen.  The 9-year drought of no new FW material is about to come to an end in a matter of seconds!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on August 16, 2013, 03:50:02 PM
I have a very, very good feeling I know what will be Number One in my personal Top 10 Albums of the Year list this year. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :metal :metal

I noticed that Ray sounds much better on this song than he did on the last Redemption album, or at least what I've heard off that album. Perhaps he finally took heed of his smoking and has started taking better care of himself?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wasteland on August 16, 2013, 03:59:10 PM
Haven't really put this piece into a proper perspective (after all I have barely listened to 3rd millennium FW), but the song sounded quite cool  :tup
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jingle.boy on August 16, 2013, 04:01:25 PM
Listening now... nice intro.  Nice riff (like a mini- ITNOG riff).

Likin it long time.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Dr. DTVT on August 16, 2013, 04:03:43 PM
I don't know what song you're listening to since I already have the album, but the new album has really rekindled my love of Fates Warning.  I can't imagine a Fates fan being anything other than really happy with this album - except that we had to wait this long for it.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jingle.boy on August 16, 2013, 04:05:11 PM
I don't know what song you're listening to since I already have the album, but the new album has really rekindled my love of Fates Warning.  I can't imagine a Fates fan being anything other than really happy with this album - except that we had to wait this long for it.

Rub it in nerf-herder!!

It's Into the Black.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Dr. DTVT on August 16, 2013, 04:12:39 PM
I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm trying to get others excited.

Into the Black wouldn't be on my top 5 songs of the album honestly.  If you like that, you'll love the album.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on August 16, 2013, 05:09:49 PM
I like this song, I like it a lot.  It does remind me a bit of a mix of FWX, Disconnected and a little of the older stuff.  Great long instrumental section, and it's so amazing to hear the Matheos/Aresti guitar team in action again.  Ray sounds great too.

Can't fucking wait for this.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Orthogonal on August 16, 2013, 05:14:45 PM
I noticed that Ray sounds much better on this song than he did on the last Redemption album, or at least what I've heard off that album. Perhaps he finally took heed of his smoking and has started taking better care of himself?

It's astonishing that a professional singer would smoke. I know many do, but it seems like such a huge liability. Oh well, either way, we are getting new FW.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on August 16, 2013, 05:18:13 PM
I find it surprising the number of singers that do smoke.  Seems like it's playing career suicide every time they smoke.

It has taken it's toll on Ray though, but credit where it's due, he sounds the best here than he has in a long time.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on August 16, 2013, 06:43:28 PM
I find it surprising the number of singers that do smoke.  Seems like it's playing career suicide every time they smoke.

It has taken it's toll on Ray though, but credit where it's due, he sounds the best here than he has in a long time.

Indeed. Is it possible that he might have actually quit smoking and started taking better care of his voice?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on August 16, 2013, 09:31:26 PM
Yeah, perhaps.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on August 16, 2013, 10:15:22 PM
Just listened to my first new Fates Warning song in nine years.  My reaction:   :omg:

I like it.  I like it a lot!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nick on August 16, 2013, 10:40:16 PM
As Mason said, if you like this track... just wait.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: dongringo on August 17, 2013, 10:10:29 PM
Well I LOVE this track so I'm going to assume that I'll love the album. Can not wait!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on August 18, 2013, 03:42:33 AM
As Mason said, if you like this track... just wait.

This is promising.  To be honest, I really love the track, but if Nick and Mason said it was one of the best on the album, I think I'd be a little disappointed.  With this being rated as a middle tier or lower songs, it does seem very good news for the album.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Zook on August 18, 2013, 03:49:08 AM
I just can't get into Fates Warning. The song wasn't bad, but it didn't quite do anything for me. That's how it is with most of their songs. The others are just boring. I'll wait for new Redemption whenever that may be.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on August 18, 2013, 04:12:29 AM
I can see how people wouldn't be able to get into the band.  They are pretty unaccessible and are an acquired taste really. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Cyclopssss on August 18, 2013, 08:08:25 AM
Yeaaaaasssssss!!!!!!  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Madman Shepherd on August 18, 2013, 10:34:43 AM
I can see how people wouldn't be able to get into the band.  They are pretty unaccessible and are an acquired taste really.

Thats how it was with me.  I got into OSI first because of Portnoy and Moore.  Decided to get the FW discs with direct DT connections (Parallels, Perfect Symmetry, and Disconnected) and still couldn't get into them.  Disconnected kinda clicked with me but it is one of the more different sounding of the FW albums.  Pretty soon the others fell in place for me. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: abydos on August 18, 2013, 10:56:59 AM
Listened to the song some more - so catchy and awesome, can't wait for the album!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on August 18, 2013, 10:57:40 AM
I can see how people wouldn't be able to get into the band.  They are pretty unaccessible and are an acquired taste really.

It's weird because, having followed them from The Spectre Within, it's been a really wild ride.   But it's almost as if they grew along similar lines to mine...and that makes them very personal.   

They started of very Iron Maiden-esque (which I was really into at the time)...then No Exit had some of their heaviest material yet (which I was into at the time)...then they went a bit more for the Rush angle (which I was still pretty into at the time).    The only divergence came with Parallels, which everyone else holds up as their masterpiece.   Parallels came out at a time when I felt a lot of bands were "wimping out" and I was getting more into Slayer, Sepultura, Entombed...and a lot of other underground death metal.   So I just wasn't digging it at all....but it did eventually grow on me.  Always liked Life In Still Water and Eleventh Hour.   But I was always happy that Eye To Eye never became a radio hit...because that is the stuff they would have continued to write if it had....and that really would have KILLED the band.   I/O was just so/so, and I figured the band was done.   But then I got a advance copy of APSOG when I was working in a CD shop and I was just so completely blown away...   Everyone got so sick of me playing that CD.   But I played it in store EVERY DAY for MONTHS.    It was just the right album at the right time for me.  I was at the peak of my prog geekiness...and it was the ultimate prog album.     I didn't like Disconnected as well *at first*, but it grew on me, and right now I think that is my all-time favorite FW album.

FWX was a disappointment in my book.  I really liked the ambient thing they did with Disconnected, and I really felt they should have gone more in that direction.  Something For Nothing style.   
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 18, 2013, 11:38:08 AM
I just can't get into Fates Warning. The song wasn't bad, but it didn't quite do anything for me. That's how it is with most of their songs. The others are just boring. I'll wait for new Redemption whenever that may be.

Its funny, since its the exact opposite for me.

I just can not get into Redemption. I anxiously went out and bought Fullness of time and origins of ruin when they were released. I really wanted to like them but despite many spins, it just was not happening

FW on the other hand is in my top 5 favorite bands in existence. To each his own though.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Zook on August 18, 2013, 12:20:39 PM
I just can't get into Fates Warning. The song wasn't bad, but it didn't quite do anything for me. That's how it is with most of their songs. The others are just boring. I'll wait for new Redemption whenever that may be.

Its funny, since its the exact opposite for me.

I just can not get into Redemption. I anxiously went out and bought Fullness of time and origins of ruin when they were released. I really wanted to like them but despite many spins, it just was not happening

FW on the other hand is in my top 5 favorite bands in existence. To each his own though.

Try Snowfall on Judgment Day. I couldn't get into Origins at first either (actually was a 2 year gap) but Snowfall instantly clicked.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Onno on August 18, 2013, 12:58:11 PM
I can see how people wouldn't be able to get into the band.  They are pretty unaccessible and are an acquired taste really.

Thats how it was with me.  I got into OSI first because of Portnoy and Moore.  Decided to get the FW discs with direct DT connections (Parallels, Perfect Symmetry, and Disconnected) and still couldn't get into them.  Disconnected kinda clicked with me but it is one of the more different sounding of the FW albums.  Pretty soon the others fell in place for me.
That will probably help me to get into FW. I... like it, but it hasn't clicked with me yet.
As for that new song, the quality of that stream bit is so bad... I'll wait until Tuesday.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Aquiesence on August 18, 2013, 03:09:39 PM
The song is very good. Sound quality was awful so cannot really say a lot about it. Can't wait for this album to be released and listen to it :-) Nine years waiting for a new Fates Warning album  :rollin
I am one of the "old school" guys I suppose. I am listening to them since the "No Exit" era. Always an Alder fan-boy, I was never that excited about the first three albums. But I have them and was listening to them back then. Now the track-list is "Perfect Symmetry" - "Pleasant Shade Of Grey" - " Ivory Gate Of Dreams" and "Monument" mostly :-)
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on August 18, 2013, 05:11:23 PM
I really liked the track, but it reminded me a lot of the above average material from FWX.    I hope the rest of the material is a little less "song structured".   

I tend to like FW quite a bit more when they "meander" for the sake of setting a mood.   Jim brings an almost "new age" approach to prog that I really enjoy (and kindof hit its peak with APSOG and DC) so I'm hoping for a bit more of that. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nel on August 18, 2013, 05:13:36 PM
If this album's more along the lines of FWX, I'll be happy. Very happy.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on August 18, 2013, 06:27:30 PM
May be time for a new ranking?  I haven't tried this in awhile...

1. Disconnected
2. A Pleasant Shade of Gray
3. Perfect Symmetry
4. Awaken the Guardian
5. No Exit
6. The Spectre Within
7. Parallels
8. FWX
9. Inside Out
10. Night on Brocken
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 18, 2013, 06:38:44 PM
May be time for a new ranking? 

Indeed.

1. A pleasant shade of grey
2. Disconnected
3. Perfect Symmetry
4. Inside Out
5. Parallels
6. No Exit
7. FWX
8. Awaken the guardian
9. The spectre within
10. Night on Brocken

*Side notes:

-Depending on mood, FWX will fluctuate in the rankings
-I may have listened to Night on Brocken maybe once all the way through. Despite loving Spectre within and Awaken the guardian, Night on broken never did it for me.

- and in general, this is one of the hardest bands to rank albums for, since I honestly love almost everything they have ever released.

P.S.  Jim Matheos is my favorite guitarist and lyricist and John Arch is my favorite singer of all time. Needless to say, I'm very ass burgers about FW
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mindflux on August 18, 2013, 07:03:48 PM
Arch is your favorite singer yet the albums he's on are your least favorite? Does not compute.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 18, 2013, 07:41:15 PM
Arch is your favorite singer yet the albums he's on are your least favorite? Does not compute.

Because I can't list Arch/Matheos on a FW ranking  ;D

But in all seriousness, the Arch albums have a very dated sound and I really need to be in the right mood to really enjoy them. And as much as I love Arch, he is just 1/5 of the equation. Another example is JLB, I love his voice, but you don't see me putting Winter Rose up there with I&W. The combined sound of all contributing members is what dictates the ranking. 

Arch/Matheos on the other hand sounds fresh and contemporary, and If I could include in the list, it would be number 2 behind APSOG.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mindflux on August 18, 2013, 07:51:58 PM
Arch is your favorite singer yet the albums he's on are your least favorite? Does not compute.

Because I can't list Arch/Matheos on a FW ranking  ;D

But in all seriousness, the Arch albums have a very dated sound and I really need to be in the right mood to really enjoy them. And as much as I love Arch, he is just 1/5 of the equation. Another example is JLB, I love his voice, but you don't see me putting Winter Rose up there with I&W. The combined sound of all contributing members is what dictates the ranking. 

Arch/Matheos on the other hand sounds fresh and contemporary, and If I could include in the list, it would be number 2 behind APSOG.

I've got no problem with the early FW works. In fact Arch/Matheos is what prompted me to check out the first three discs. 

Do love that A/M disc though, amazing. Hope they do more.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Dr. DTVT on August 19, 2013, 08:59:02 AM
I'm surprised to see how low Parallels is.  It's my favorite and in my all time top 5, and I know someone who claims it is his favorite album of all time.  It was my first FW album, but for me it just hits that magical ground of being proggy and catchy.  But trying to parse albums 2-8 is an exercise in futility because they're all close.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: T-ski on August 20, 2013, 09:32:00 AM
here is the song "Firefly"....

http://www.classicrockmagazine.com/news/fates-warning-exclusive-premiere-firefly/
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Beowulf on August 20, 2013, 09:46:34 AM
Just found this thread...  sorry i'm so late in the discussion.

Anyone planning on seeing them in Dallas? 

Also, has anything been posted (i.e., teasers, full tracks, etc.)?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on August 20, 2013, 09:48:23 AM
I'm surprised to see how low Parallels is.  It's my favorite and in my all time top 5, and I know someone who claims it is his favorite album of all time.  It was my first FW album, but for me it just hits that magical ground of being proggy and catchy.  But trying to parse albums 2-8 is an exercise in futility because they're all close.

Eh, I think Parallels is a bit overrated. It's not bad by any means, but I think FW have put out at least four or five albums that I'd personally rank higher than it.

here is the song "Firefly"....

http://www.classicrockmagazine.com/news/fates-warning-exclusive-premiere-firefly/

Been listening to it a good seven or eight times now already! :metal :hefdaddy I'm very, very hopeful for this album~ :tup
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Dr. DTVT on August 20, 2013, 09:49:57 AM

Also, has anything been posted (i.e., teasers, full tracks, etc.)?

Review that Nick wrote and I edited (I pretty much agree with him on this album)

Here is my review of the album, looking forward to this tour even more now!

http://www.wpapu.com/rev073.html
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on August 20, 2013, 09:51:13 AM
here is the song "Firefly"....

http://www.classicrockmagazine.com/news/fates-warning-exclusive-premiere-firefly/

Listening right now.  Loving it.  Ah, what a feeling of calm and serenity that overcomes me as i hear alder's voice with matheos' guitar.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Beowulf on August 20, 2013, 09:56:07 AM

Also, has anything been posted (i.e., teasers, full tracks, etc.)?

Review that Nick wrote and I edited (I pretty much agree with him on this album)

Here is my review of the album, looking forward to this tour even more now!

http://www.wpapu.com/rev073.html

Nice review.  Thank you!  I can't wait.  Mid-September will be a great time between this and the DT album!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 20, 2013, 10:07:52 AM
I´m halfway through Firefly. Great track, what a chorus!

 I haven´t seen many people mention it, but this is FW´s first album with Bobby Jarzombek on drums. From the tracks that came out already I´d say he´s done a great job, keeping the essence of what Mark Zonder used to do while adding his contribution as well.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 20, 2013, 10:27:54 AM
Very happy with both Firefly and Into the Black  :tup
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on August 20, 2013, 11:03:03 AM
This song is really really solid. I hear elements of past FW songs in it. I hear some "Another Perfect Day" in the bridge, and I hear some "So" in the heavy guitar during the verses. I hear some "Island in the Stream" in Ray's melody. And I hear some Arch/Matheos in the instrumental section. It has a little of everything for the hardcore FW fans!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Aquiesence on August 20, 2013, 11:09:57 AM
Yes! This is Fates Warning after nine years. The voice, the guitars.

And here is my current list (which has changed during the years):

1. A Pleasant Shade of Gray
2. Perfect Symmetry
3. Disconnected
4. Parallels
5. Inside Out ("Monument" is a favourite though)
6. No Exit
7. FWX
8. Awaken the Guardian
9. The Spectre Within
10. Night on Brocken
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on August 20, 2013, 11:56:45 AM
Listening to this song after the band's nine-year hiatus is like seeing an old friend after a decade apart.  It feels so wonderful to listen to it.  I almost feel choked up.  That voice, the guitars.  Oh, man. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on August 20, 2013, 01:44:36 PM
Ya...I can see the comparison to Another Perfect Day.   But IMO, this is far better.   I didn't care for APD at all.    I hear some of the similar vibes, but this is a vast improvement.   :tup
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: abydos on August 20, 2013, 02:20:43 PM
Not as good as Into The Black but I still liked it quite a bit.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nel on August 20, 2013, 08:38:21 PM
Another Perfect Day was one of my favorites off of FWX.  :lol
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on August 21, 2013, 05:05:37 AM
Another Perfect Day was one of my favorites off of FWX.  :lol

Same.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 21, 2013, 05:20:02 AM
Another Perfect Day was one of my favorites off of FWX.  :lol

Same.

Mine too.

Where as most of the other songs on FWX like to take their time with build-ups(which I don't really mind), it was nice to have a song that just came right out of the gate swinging. Another perfect day is just a solid, kickass rock song, and my favorite on the album. Followed by a handful of doubt. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on August 21, 2013, 05:30:45 AM
Left Here was a highlight for me too.

Just listened to Firefly and it's solid.  I also prefer Into the Black, but this is nice.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Beowulf on August 21, 2013, 08:20:22 AM
I'm just jazzed to hear something new from Ray.  I've become a HUGE fan of his, between FW, Redemption and Engine.  I can't get enough.  And he's a Texas boy, to boot!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on August 21, 2013, 09:13:17 AM
My attempt at the lyrics...

Fates Warning - "Firefly"

There in the silence of the night I see you shine
Drifting down to me, drift down to me
This is how it's supposed to be

Will you stay?
Will you go?
Again, this time how far?

Then you take
And you're gone
No longer need you (?) here anymore

Fly, far away
I won't regret at all not asking you to stay
And I can't make you understand
As I close my empty hand

And as I stand here watching stars go shooting by
A thought comes to me, it comes to me
This is how it's supposed to be

Fly, far away
I won't regret at all not asking you to stay
And I can't make you understand
As I close my empty hand

And as night turns to day
Alone now I walk away
And as time changes
Your light fades into the day

Will you stay?
Will you go?
Again this time how far?
Then you take
And you're gone
Now longer need you (?) here anymore

Fly, far away
I won't regret at all not asking you to stay
And I can't make you understand
As I close these empty hands
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nick on August 21, 2013, 12:52:04 PM
Another Perfect Day was one of my favorites off of FWX.  :lol

Same here.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: snowdog on August 22, 2013, 02:56:59 PM
Ya...I can see the comparison to Another Perfect Day.   But IMO, this is far better.   I didn't care for APD at all.    I hear some of the similar vibes, but this is a vast improvement.   :tup
I totally agree.  I couldn't stand Another Perfect Day.  That sound reminded me of a bad Enchant song (and I like Enchant but they have some stinkers).
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: abydos on August 22, 2013, 04:33:10 PM
Seems like Another Perfect Day gets a lot of hate for some reason. I love the song myself.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Orthogonal on August 22, 2013, 08:15:40 PM
APD was probably the most standout track on FWX for me on first listen. Funny how everyone hears it different.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on August 22, 2013, 08:33:48 PM
I guess I've always thought that FW had extremely weak "singles"...   I've been a fan of this band from almost the very beginning, and it's always seemed to me like the greatest stuff was when they were writing for *themselves*.    I don't think there's been any FW "singles" that I didn't think were the weak links on their respective albums.

Granted, their first real single was "Silent Cries" which was pretty good.

But then "Through Different Eyes" is easily the weakest link from PS. 

Eye To Eye and Don't Follow Me are my least favorites from Parallels (POV, which was also a single was better)

Monument is an exception...probably the highlight of IO

Was there a single for APSOG?

And then One is OK, but definitely my least favorite from DC....which leads us back to APD, which was another attempt at something like TDE or E2E.    I just don't like it when Jim intentionally tries to write something "radio friendly"....   POV was probably his best attempt at that formula....maybe Monument. 

That being said, I like the new stuff a lot better, and I have very high hopes for this album.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: PowerSlave on August 22, 2013, 11:12:53 PM

But then "Through Different Eyes" is easily the weakest link from PS. 




Ouch!!! That's one of my favorites from that album. I always thought A World Apart was the weakest song on that album, but I still like it a lot.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on August 22, 2013, 11:48:14 PM

But then "Through Different Eyes" is easily the weakest link from PS. 




Ouch!!! That's one of my favorites from that album. I always thought A World Apart was the weakest song on that album, but I still like it a lot.

I guess I've just *always* been turned off my attempts by artists to "create a single"....to my ears, it always comes across as sounding a bit unnatural in comparison to the rest of their work.    I *LOVE* A World Apart.   That and Static Acts (both contributions by X) have always been highlights for me.  I loved X's material so much to that point, that I remember being immediately disappointed when Parallels didn't contain any contributions from him.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on August 23, 2013, 05:18:45 AM
Through Different Eyes is one of my fav FW tracks.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 23, 2013, 06:29:52 AM
Through Different Eyes is one of my fav FW tracks.

Me too. I love Through Different Eyes.  :heart
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on August 23, 2013, 06:31:41 AM
It's just a perfect blend of prog and aor.  Plus, it is obviously the blueprint for Parallels and Inside Out.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: ? on August 23, 2013, 01:09:25 PM
I'm not too familiar with Fates Warning, but I listened to the new songs. Into the Black didn't impress me, but Firefly is amazing :hefdaddy I'll definitely check the album out when it gets released and I'll try the older stuff as well. I'm a Kevin Moore fanboy, so I guess Disconnected and APSOG are good places to start :D
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on August 23, 2013, 01:34:10 PM
I'm not too familiar with Fates Warning, but I listened to the new songs. Into the Black didn't impress me, but Firefly is amazing :hefdaddy I'll definitely check the album out when it gets released and I'll try the older stuff as well. I'm a Kevin Moore fanboy, so I guess Disconnected and APSOG are good places to start :D

Absolutely.

I've got a "Jammin Dude" show review of the two new songs going up before the end of the day. 

After 5 or so spins, I actually like Into The Black *FAR* better....but I tend to shy away from the more commercial sounding material anyway.   But I'll cover it in my review.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on August 23, 2013, 08:24:19 PM
Review is up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYjoP09Lzrs&feature=c4-overview&list=UUW_yEnqCIIeilYrMlLraVVw
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on August 23, 2013, 10:15:15 PM
great review
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on August 30, 2013, 09:56:23 AM
Nice review of the album by Samsara: http://www.anybodylistening.net/breakdownroom/index.php?topic=4857.msg114943#new

He reveals that Kevin Moore co-wrote "O Chloroform."
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Hanz Gruber on August 30, 2013, 11:53:45 AM
So I just found out that Fate's Warning is playing my area in two weeks, I know there are a couple of fans on this board.
Any recommendations of where to start with them so I can get familiar with their music before I see them?

My favorites are

A Perfect Shade of Grey (has a Pink Floyd vibe on some songs) 
and
Disconnected

Kevin Moore added a lot to these songs in terms of atmosphere

I also liked FWX even though I don't think it is as popular as others.  I really like the closing song "Wish"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfRwrIp9g4o
Very pretty song with great lyrics.


My 1st album was Parallels so I am a Ray Adler fan.  I particularly like "The Eleventh Hour" and " The Road Goes On Forever" off that album
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Dr. DTVT on August 30, 2013, 01:29:24 PM
You do realize you quoted a post that is over three years old...a little late for suggestions  :lol
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Hanz Gruber on August 30, 2013, 02:20:14 PM
You do realize you quoted a post that is over three years old...a little late for suggestions  :lol

Hahaha.

Wow.  I saw the thread title and assumed that it was a new topic because of the name of the upcoming album in the title.

Oooops
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mindflux on August 30, 2013, 03:31:14 PM
Fates Warning's grand return to the studio after nine years is available for a limited time on double vinyl! Pressed onto white wax, this color configuration is limited to only 200 units. Bonus tracks featured on Side 4. Comes in a gatefold sleeve and adds a CD of the album as well! (2013)
http://www.cmdistro.com/Item/Fates_Warning_-_Darkness_in_a_Different_Light-double_white_vinyl+CD-PREORDER/46586


 :metal :metal :metal :metal

Ordered that sum bish.. use "MOSHPERIDOT" for 10% off!  I wish it came with the deluxe CD set so you could get the spare tracks without buying the CD too. Or a download code.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on September 03, 2013, 01:29:50 PM
Ask Bobby questions, which he will answer tonight: http://fateswarning.com/Forum/tabid/269/aft/185/Default.aspx
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: me7 on September 03, 2013, 01:33:53 PM
What would be the best album to get into FW as someone who already loves prog? Are all albums equally suited, or should some be avoided at first?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on September 03, 2013, 01:40:34 PM
What would be the best album to get into FW as someone who already loves prog? Are all albums equally suited, or should some be avoided at first?

I think most people view A Pleasant Shade of Gray (1997) to be the band's progressive metal masterpiece, while Parallels (1991) is their most accessible-sounding record that had their most successful singles.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Outcrier on September 03, 2013, 01:44:00 PM
What would be the best album to get into FW as someone who already loves prog? Are all albums equally suited, or should some be avoided at first?

Just avoid Night On Brocken.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: me7 on September 03, 2013, 01:49:03 PM
I see that most of their albums got remastered a few years ago. What kind of remaster are we talking about? Just typical loudness war victims?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 03, 2013, 02:21:39 PM

I think most people view A Pleasant Shade of Gray (1997) to be the band's progressive metal masterpiece, while Parallels (1991) is their most accessible-sounding record that had their most successful singles.

I think that sums it up pretty perfectly.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on September 03, 2013, 06:59:46 PM
Bobby J. (the dummer) is answering questions RIGHT NOW.  Post your questions on the Facebook page for Sick Drummer Magazine: https://www.facebook.com/sickdrummermag?hc_location=stream

He answered one of my questions:

Q: Bobby, you've played with both Arch/Matheos and Fates Warning, which are fronted by equally brilliant John Arch and Ray Alder, respectively. What's your take on what they both bring to a band and differing styles in the studio and on stage? Also, can you give any insight on why it's taken FW nearly a decade to release a new album -- for example, was there some disagreement amongst band members on the songwriting direction that delayed new material, or did some other factor cause the long hiatus?
Like ·

Bobby Jarzombek: Michael, Yeah, Ray and John are a bit different stylistically these days. Both great singers! I think Ray is more of a natural talent, and John leans more of the technical side. Lyrics and melodies. I think things just got delayed because we're all doing different projects at the same time. I'm glad to finally (after this many years) have a CD coming out.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 03, 2013, 07:52:22 PM
I honestly think that they just got burned out on doing FW material.

Flashback to 2004:

Zonder bounces and starts Slavior, Ray is getting into Redemption and JM had OSI stuff to work on. All three just spent the last 15 years doing Fate's Warning, so I don't blame them for wanting to branch out a bit with other projects. 

now with all that being said, that 9 years was a long 9 years. (thank god they are back making music again)

*just went back and listened to Slavior for the first time in probably years. Actually pretty solid stuff.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on September 03, 2013, 08:07:00 PM
What would be the best album to get into FW as someone who already loves prog? Are all albums equally suited, or should some be avoided at first?

My personal favorites are the triple treat of Perfect Symmetry, Parallels, & Inside Out. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on September 04, 2013, 05:00:45 AM
^^^

I'd go with that too, although Disconnected could slot in there too.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 04, 2013, 05:28:35 AM
What would be the best album to get into FW as someone who already loves prog? Are all albums equally suited, or should some be avoided at first?

Or Arch/Matheos, which is basically Fate's Warning with the Mr. America Gimmick:

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lntevddPNt1qj2qito1_500.jpg)

Its not technically called Fate's Warning, but we all know what's under the mask.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: devieira73 on September 04, 2013, 05:56:46 PM
Some drums from the album:
http://www.sickdrummermagazine.com/index.php/news/latest-news/2598-ask-bobby-jarzombek-questions-on-september-3rd-from-900-1100pm-est-on-the-sdm-facebook-page.html
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: abydos on September 05, 2013, 03:02:37 PM
Last couple of days I listened to Firefly a bit more and holy shit, I love it so much now! I can't realize how on my first spin I wasn't at all grabbed by it.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: PowerSlave on September 06, 2013, 12:59:38 AM
Last couple of days I listened to Firefly a bit more and holy shit, I love it so much now! I can't realize how on my first spin I wasn't at all grabbed by it.

I've only given each of the available songs one listen each. The full album experience is so important to me with this band and that's the way that I prefer to absorb the songs to their fullest.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mindflux on September 11, 2013, 09:41:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChFbgZNgCh0

Another new track


Also I guess they'll have a replacement for Frank Aresti for this tour, he's got something else going on:

http://fateswarning.com/Forum/tabid/269/aft/186/Default.aspx
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on September 11, 2013, 09:50:34 AM
I'm getting a Tool-vibe off that one...   Am I the only one?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on September 11, 2013, 09:52:54 AM
That REALLY sucks about Frank not being part of this tour.  Really sucks.  But they wisely cushioned the blow by releasing a new song the same time they made that announcement.  Liking it!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on September 11, 2013, 10:13:19 AM
Fates Warning - "I Am"

My friend
It seems you've been
Where you belong

Take what you deserve don't make it mine to carry now
Take what you deserve and never make a sound

When words are walls
I am the end
I'll make them fall

I am!
Tearing walls down
I am!
Tearing walls down
I am!

It's happening
Can't you see the edge
Coming to us
In spite of everything that (?)

In silence
I breathe again
I flow and descend

I'll take what I deserve, but can you help me understand
Why should I deserve a solitary word?

When words are walls
I am the end
I'll make them fall

I am!
Tearing walls down
I am!
Tearing walls down
I am!
Tearing walls down
I am!
Tearing walls down
I am!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: pogoowner on September 11, 2013, 03:11:18 PM
The new song reminds me a lot of "One." Unfortunately, that's not really a compliment.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: ? on September 11, 2013, 10:34:40 PM
I'm getting a Tool-vibe off that one...   Am I the only one?
Nope, I can hear that too.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on September 12, 2013, 05:21:36 AM
I've loved all three of the new songs that have been released so far off this album. :metal Completely stoked! :tup
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 12, 2013, 05:41:12 AM
That REALLY sucks about Frank not being part of this tour.  Really sucks.  But they wisely cushioned the blow by releasing a new song the same time they made that announcement.  Liking it!

 So what will he be doing instead of touring this time? Is his work as a stuntman for Jared Leto interfering with the band schedule again?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on September 12, 2013, 08:53:54 AM
I love the part where all the instruments quiet down and it's just Ray singing over a "Spreading the Disease"-esque drum beat by Bobby.  So tasty.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nick on September 12, 2013, 09:12:11 AM
No Frank? That really blows. Honestly, as psyched as I still am to see Fates Warning the guitar duo is a big part of that and this could be a big hit to the show. Even if the new guy is capable, I just don't see him having the same chemistry as Frank and Jim.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mindflux on September 12, 2013, 09:13:30 AM
No Frank? That really blows. Honestly, as psyched as I still am to see Fates Warning the guitar duo is a big part of that and this could be a big hit to the show. Even if the new guy is capable, I just don't see him having the same chemistry as Frank and Jim.

Agreed. I was on the fence about traveling to San Antonio to see them, but no Frank means I probably won't go.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on September 12, 2013, 09:46:18 AM
I hope everything is cool between the band or Frank, or in Frank's personal life.  These shows were announced a long time ago, and he's had plenty of notice of them coming up.  Part of me is worried there's something more going on, and they spun it nicely in this press release.  We'll see, I suppose.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nick on September 12, 2013, 10:10:23 AM
Honestly, I think it might come down to money. All those short tours through Europe probably sold well enough to make it worth it for him. And the one offs in CT and ProgPower wouldn't have been as huge an inconvenience. This tour asks for a good chunk of time off with very little monetary return. I can easily just see it not being worth it for him.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Aquiesence on September 12, 2013, 10:13:18 AM
I am excited about Frank being back to Fates too so I hope everything is OK with the band and this is just for this tour. I was hoping to see Frank and Jim live again but I will attend Fates show in Athens no matter what.
Beside Firefly I have not listened more than a couple of times the other two songs, I am waiting for the release of the full album to "feel" the entire Fates experience.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on September 12, 2013, 10:18:20 AM
I believe Frank currently lives in NY, so hopefully he can at least perform at the NY/NJ/CT shows.  They're are all within 1-3 hours away.  Those happen to be the ones I'm attending, so that would be a nice treat.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: PowerSlave on September 13, 2013, 02:28:28 AM
http://www.michaelabdow.com/

I've never heard of this guy, but after watching a couple of the videos on his site he seems to be a very capable player.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on September 15, 2013, 06:11:53 AM
http://www.michaelabdow.com/

I've never heard of this guy, but after watching a couple of the videos on his site he seems to be a very capable player.

Yeah, dude has the chops to play the FW material live. However I do agree with the concern someone else mentioned as far as covering for the chemistry that Jim has with Frank. Those two are probably my personal favorite dual guitar team in a band ever. :metal

BTW, a review for the album popped up on Sputnik!
http://www.sputnikmusic.com/review/58919/Fates-Warning-Darkness-In-A-Different-Light/
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 25, 2013, 08:01:28 AM
So just out of curiosity I checked out the VIP package details

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x459/phoenix87x/ScreenShot2013-09-25at95357AM_zpse4cf6c21.png) (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/phoenix87x/media/ScreenShot2013-09-25at95357AM_zpse4cf6c21.png.html)

 

Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: MoraWintersoul on September 25, 2013, 09:32:47 AM
I think that's just for cases of emergency, or when someone gets sick and replaced on tour or whatever.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on September 25, 2013, 09:52:15 AM
For those interested, there was some issues regarding the NYC VIP meet-and-greet that were ironed out on the FW forum.  The NYC meet-and-greet includes admission to the show for the $50 price.  The venue's website was very unclear, so I called this week and they modified the website to make it more clear that it includes admission.  The other meet-and-greets don't include admission.  Apparently, the NYC venue is doing their own meet-and-greet with the band and it's separate from the packages being offer by FW.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on September 25, 2013, 10:34:48 AM
I think that's just for cases of emergency, or when someone gets sick and replaced on tour or whatever.

That...and also to legally cover their asses if you got to meet Jim and Ray and Joey....but you wanted to talk to Bobby.    They can't guarantee EVERYONE will be there...but in my experience, Jim has always been very cordial and gracious to fans...so I'd be willing to bet that he will be front and center for every meet and greet (barring some emergency, as Mora said)
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on September 25, 2013, 11:20:23 AM
I'm tempted to spring for a second meet-and-greet, in Amityville.  $50 is such a reasonable price, and FW never tours.  Plus, I'm not sure if the NYC meet-and-greet will be different, or lesser in quality, in some way since it's being coordinated through the venue and not the band itself.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on September 26, 2013, 10:21:46 AM
Sampler of the new album: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOeH2dS1GKk
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: abydos on September 26, 2013, 12:06:03 PM
Sounds amazing. I love the O Chloroform sample.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on September 26, 2013, 10:13:55 PM
I just had the pleasure of listening to "O Chloroform."  What an absolute trip.  I never had such a fun time listening to song for the first time.  I've never heard anyone but Kevin sing his lyrics before.  Kevin's lyrics are often riddle-like and nonsensical delivered in a deadpan voice or sarcastic tone.  But Ray's voice is so different.  He sings with such emotion and seriousness.  So we have an emotional and serious voice delivering riddle-like and nonsensical lyrics.  It's such a contradiction that it's actually fascinating to hear and makes the song stand out.  I freaking loved it!!!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Orthogonal on September 26, 2013, 10:41:17 PM
I've managed to resist hearing much of anything this long, I can last a few more days. Is it the 30th yet? I hope my copy isn't delayed/lost in the mail.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on September 27, 2013, 01:31:45 PM
Just noticed this interview with Ray posted online by The Classic Metal Show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEVCg7TvaW4
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: emtee on September 27, 2013, 02:51:49 PM
Going to be very hard for anyone to top this as album of the year. Maybe DT. Maybe Tesseract. Maybe Byzantine.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 28, 2013, 06:42:38 PM
Just got my copy of the special edition and shirt. Gonna listen later, possibly after the Little People show tonight.  I haven't heard any sample yet.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Hanz Gruber on September 30, 2013, 01:52:57 PM
Any impressions?  Still waiting for my copy from Amazon to ship.  They are slow as dirt
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: abydos on September 30, 2013, 02:23:09 PM
The album is fucking sick! The only downside is that it is very heavy guitar driven and while I absolutely love the album I wish it could have been double cd so we can get some of the more atmospheric vibes from Disconnected and FWX.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: kirksnosehair on September 30, 2013, 02:57:19 PM
Just downloaded it from Amazon.com about to spin it for the first time on the way home from work right now  :metal


I'll listen in the gym tomorrow morning as well.  That will get me through the entire thing at least twice.


I'll come back and post my initial impressions after that.

Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: goo-goo on October 01, 2013, 08:04:04 AM
I'm loving it! Probably more than the new DT (and I absolutely loved DT12).

The production is great too!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Beowulf on October 01, 2013, 09:26:44 AM
So far, sounds amazing!  But like DT, i need to listen a few times all the way through to really formulate a cohesive opinion.

On the flip side, i do have December 5th marked on my calendar for when FW hits DALLAS!!!  Anyone else planning on attending here?   It's at a small club, but it's an all-ages show, so i can bring my 15 year old son.  Only fitting that DT was his first metal show (only second concert after Paul McCartney), and FW should be his second!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: goo-goo on October 01, 2013, 09:31:53 AM
So far, sounds amazing!  But like DT, i need to listen a few times all the way through to really formulate a cohesive opinion.

On the flip side, i do have December 5th marked on my calendar for when FW hits DALLAS!!!  Anyone else planning on attending here?   It's at a small club, but it's an all-ages show, so i can bring my 15 year old son.  Only fitting that DT was his first metal show (only second concert after Paul McCartney), and FW should be his second!

I'll be there. Driving from Austin. I've been to Trees several times. Evregrey, Epica, Katatonia, Amob....decent venue, not so good sound though. But after I read what happened to King's X in San Antonio, I won't be going to that show.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Orthogonal on October 01, 2013, 09:39:27 AM
Dammit, had a payment snafu with Amazon and my pre-order was delayed. Saying it will be here on Friday...  :angry:
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 01, 2013, 11:58:58 AM
Really good record. After the more recent Fates albums and OSI, I was starting to worry that Matheos had hit the snooze button. But Arch/Matheos and this confirm that he's still go an edge.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Lolzeez on October 01, 2013, 12:05:50 PM
And Yet It Moves and Firefly are instant favorites.  :tup
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: kirksnosehair on October 01, 2013, 02:16:44 PM
Yeah, I need a few more spins to decide what I think.  Generally, I like it.  But there are already a couple of tracks that I know I'm going to skip whenever I listen to it.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: PowerSlave on October 02, 2013, 01:25:18 AM
But after I read what happened to King's X in San Antonio, I won't be going to that show.

Care to elaborate?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: ariich on October 02, 2013, 03:29:39 AM
I dig the new album, but I'm surprised at how much love there is for Firefly. I find that and Desire to be easily the weakest songs on the album. The opening track is kickass, but on my first listen, after track 3 I was worrying that the album was just not going to interest me. Fortunately it got much better again after that!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on October 02, 2013, 05:35:06 AM
But there are already a couple of tracks that I know I'm going to skip whenever I listen to it.

Agreed

I find that and Desire to be easily the weakest songs on the album.

And Agreed

Desire is really pretty bad. Lighthouse just meanders and Kneel and obey is just ok.

But that being said I do love 1000 fires, Into the Black and Yet it moves. The other songs never really go above being just good. For me, the album is just so so. Which is kinda disappointing considering how strong Arch/matheos was.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Beowulf on October 02, 2013, 07:42:49 AM
But after I read what happened to King's X in San Antonio, I won't be going to that show.

Care to elaborate?

No kidding.  I hadn't heard any feedback from that show.  What happened?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Jaq on October 02, 2013, 08:05:34 AM
I need to give this another listen, because at the moment nothing's sticking with me. It's certainly not in the league of the Arch/Matheos album, not in the least. It feels like all the fire went into the A/M album, because this, despite being guitar driven, just kind of lays there.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on October 02, 2013, 08:42:11 AM
I need to give this another listen, because at the moment nothing's sticking with me. It's certainly not in the league of the Arch/Matheos album, not in the least. It feels like all the fire went into the A/M album, because this, despite being guitar driven, just kind of lays there.

I do agree with this.  I'm liking parts of the album, but it still hasn't grabbed me.  Maybe it's because I prefer FW's atmospheric sound in APSOG and Disconnected, as opposed to the dryer sound of Parallels and Inside Out.  Don't get me wrong.  There are songs I'm loving (Firefly, I am, Into the Black), but I'm not head over heels just yet like so many people seem to be.  I'm giving it more time though, because I know FW albums always take me multiple listens.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Delirious Nomad on October 02, 2013, 08:54:27 AM
I've heard the album two times. The first time I was slightly disappointed, 2nd time through i had much more fun.

What do you think about the voice of Ray ?
The last time I've heard Ray was on FWX and I was initially shocked to hear he lost a lot of his voice. I still like hearing him sing, but the last 9 years did no good to his voice. On the other hand his voice fits the raw sound of DIADL.
In my world Arch/Matheos was a Fates Warning album, too, and had a glossier sound.
While all of my metal buddies said something like: "Great music, unbearable voice.", about A/M, I still prefer John Arch to Ray Alder.

I love Lighthouse. Such a dark fatmosphere. I hope at one point Jim Matheos releases an solo album, that doesn't rock more than Lighthouse. Something like a sonic ghost story. 

So I might not like DIADL as much as A/M, I think I like it more than FWX and the last two OSI albums.

In the end, I feel like being in Prog heaven, with two of my favorite bands, releasing two very strong albums within a couple of weeks.
Excuse me for comparing, but I have been with them from the beginning, and I have to say, this round goes to Dream Theater.       
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on October 02, 2013, 09:32:45 AM
Amazon delayed my order til the 9th.

Super pissed...but can't really cancel it either because it was an Amazon gift card my mother in law gave me. 

 :censored
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: dongringo on October 02, 2013, 09:38:42 AM
Well after several listens its grown on me. I do really like the album but it comes nowhere near DT for me. Am enjoying it though. Its better than everything since APSOG in my opinion. Disconnected and FWX were too hit and miss. This one is actually quite consistent in its overall sound and feel.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: MoraWintersoul on October 02, 2013, 11:11:51 AM
Desire would turn out way, way better if it were an OSI song, this way the more OSI-ish parts just don't really shine. Lighthouse is really boring (Jesus I never ever qualified a SINGLE Fates song as boring, I like them way better than, let's say, DT in that respect), I Am is excellent, and the rest is just sorta there. I really liked Firefly when it got out, and Into The Black too, but I think they lost a part of their groove with the album placing.

I'll give the album more listens and maybe try my hand at an alternate tracklist (or maybe not since I know Jim Matheos spends a lot of time on them so it's not like I can do better), but I definitely expected to like it way more than I do now.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: kirksnosehair on October 02, 2013, 11:40:42 AM
It's grown on me quite a bit.  I still think FWX was a better record, but I'm definitely pretty happy with this one. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 02, 2013, 12:11:05 PM
What do you think about the voice of Ray ?
Redemption was my first taste of Ray, but to me he pretty much sounds the same from Parallels onward. He wails less but he's better that way, I think.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TAC on October 02, 2013, 12:26:19 PM
What do you think about the voice of Ray ?
Redemption was my first taste of Ray, but to me he pretty much sounds the same from Parallels onward. He wails less but he's better that way, I think.

To me Ray is the strong point of the album. I think he sounds terrific. Obviously he doesn't have the range he once did, but I love how he sounds here.

FWX is just OK to me and Disconnected, I don't know what to make of....it feels like an EP if you ask me.
but DIADL after two listens is very enjoyable.



Oh, and welcome to DTF, Delirious Nomad. Armored Saint FTW!! :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Delirious Nomad on October 02, 2013, 01:45:48 PM
Thank you TAC. Armored Saint was great until the death of David Prichard (imho).

Well, "Disconnected" had "Still Remains". One of their greatest songs. "So" kills it. "One" is on the plus side, too. Nothing wrong with the album for me.

Don't you all think the 2nd CD track "Falling Further" does sound a little too much like a Bon Jovi song ("I'd die for you" mixed with another one, that escapes me right now) *shrugs* ?




Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Aquiesence on October 02, 2013, 01:51:09 PM
Haha! That is the first thing that crossed my mind too when I first listened to it. "Falling Further" sounds too much like Bon Jovi  :rollin
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TAC on October 02, 2013, 02:00:42 PM
Thank you TAC. Armored Saint was great until the death of David Prichard (imho).

Well, "Disconnected" had "Still Remains". One of their greatest songs. "So" kills it. "One" is on the plus side, too. Nothing wrong with the album for me.

Don't you all think the 2nd CD track "Falling Further" does sound a little too much like a Bon Jovi song ("I'd die for you" mixed with another one, that escapes me right now) *shrugs* ?

Symbol Of Salvation is still their best album though, and I would've loved to have heard it with Dave. The last time I saw them with Dave, they were already a 5 piece with Jeff Duncan, and they actually played Reign Of Fire and Spineless.

OK, back to Fates..yes, Still Remains and Something For Nothing are two of my favorite songs, even though I would've edited some of the ambient stuff in the beginning of each. And One is indeed, awesome. But it's only 5 tracks not counting the useless intro/outro, with one long song, one not as long, and three shorter ones. That album has always felt incomplete to me despite have two of my favorite Alder era tracks on it. That's all I'm saying.



Don't you all think the 2nd CD track "Falling Further" does sound a little too much like a Bon Jovi song ("I'd die for you" mixed with another one, that escapes me right now) *shrugs* ?
I believe you are thinking of Runaway.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: abydos on October 02, 2013, 02:07:08 PM
Disconnected's intro and outro are fucking brilliant!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Delirious Nomad on October 02, 2013, 02:11:47 PM
Yeah, Runaway seems to be a good guess.

TAC, I see where you're coming from.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TAC on October 02, 2013, 02:20:48 PM
Yeah, Runaway seems to be a good guess.

TAC, I see where you're coming from.

And to tie this all together, I've posted it before I believe, but I have a pic with John Bush from 1989ish where I'm wearing a Bon Jovi shirt! :lol
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Delirious Nomad on October 02, 2013, 02:24:22 PM
 :laugh: In '89 is was still okay.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: goo-goo on October 02, 2013, 04:35:32 PM
Im' on the FW mailing list and there's an interesting tidbit regarding the album track Falling and Falling Further

Directly from Jim (posted by the webmaster)

I asked Jim about it and here is his reply:

 Webmaster: "Question about the album... The extra tracks Firefly (extended) and Falling Further, were they trimmed (or for Falling, sort of reimagined) just for time or more for the flow of the album?"


Jim: "I guess a little of both. Falling acoustic came first. Then I extended it and the acoustic became more of an intro. We all really liked it that way, but like you mentioned, it's really different for us, so we were a little hesitant to put it on the main cd. We also missed the original acoustic version. So the compromise was to split it up and keep the acoustic on the main and FF as a bonus. It wasn't without many debates and hand wringing though.

There was always two versions of Firefly. I like the longer one better, but it just didn't feel right putting the extended one on the main disc and calling the shorter one a "bonus" track. Just seems like you should get something extra, not less, on a bonus cd."
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on October 02, 2013, 04:39:31 PM

I love Lighthouse. Such a dark fatmosphere. I hope at one point Jim Matheos releases an solo album, that doesn't rock more than Lighthouse. Something like a sonic ghost story.         

Wish granted, sort of...

(http://www.metal-archives.com/images/2/9/3/3/293371.jpg) (http://metalarea.org/images/audiocovers/2010_Jun/acov_tid118223.jpg)

His two solo albums are First impressions and Away with words
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Delirious Nomad on October 02, 2013, 05:27:54 PM
Holy ! I own First Impressions, but completely missed the second one. If you don't mind, can you describe its style ?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on October 02, 2013, 05:42:50 PM
Away with words is very similar to First Impressions, but with Zonder on drums, which is very noticeable, in a good way I guess. I honestly prefer First Impressions, but If you like First Impressions, than you will like Away with words.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Delirious Nomad on October 02, 2013, 05:44:17 PM
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Posted by: goo-goo
« on: Today at 06:35:32 PM »

Im' on the FW mailing list and there's an interesting tidbit regarding the album track Falling and Falling Further

Directly from Jim (posted by the webmaster)

I asked Jim about it and here is his reply:

 Webmaster: "Question about the album... The extra tracks Firefly (extended) and Falling Further, were they trimmed (or for Falling, sort of reimagined) just for time or more for the flow of the album?"


Jim: "I guess a little of both. Falling acoustic came first. Then I extended it and the acoustic became more of an intro. We all really liked it that way, but like you mentioned, it's really different for us, so we were a little hesitant to put it on the main cd. We also missed the original acoustic version. So the compromise was to split it up and keep the acoustic on the main and FF as a bonus. It wasn't without many debates and hand wringing though.

There was always two versions of Firefly. I like the longer one better, but it just didn't feel right putting the extended one on the main disc and calling the shorter one a "bonus" track. Just seems like you should get something extra, not less, on a bonus cd."

Interesting. I had a different scenario in my mind, but who am I, not to believe him.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Delirious Nomad on October 02, 2013, 05:46:34 PM
Zonder on drums. I'm sold and still wondering how that album slipped under my radar. Thank you.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mindflux on October 02, 2013, 07:15:44 PM
Amazon delayed my order til the 9th.

Super pissed...but can't really cancel it either because it was an Amazon gift card my mother in law gave me. 

 :censored

Mine came a day late, but it's here. 2 discs of FW glory.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: dongringo on October 02, 2013, 07:23:19 PM
I must say, this album is a real grower for me. It's a dark and cohesive sound that's really starting to click, especially today when I was in a terrible mood at work (due to co-workers on the rag all at the same time.) The album really got me through it in a big way and now I'm really starting to love it.  :tup
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on October 03, 2013, 09:55:06 AM
Ray Alder on "singing not screaming":

San Antonio Metal Music Examiner: At what point in time did you scale back completely from the high vocal range that you were known for when you first joined the band on "No Exit", and how difficult was it to realize that a change in style was necessary?

Ray Alder: I think it was "A Pleasant Shade Of Gray" when I really came into my own and rearranged what I wanted to do with my voice. In the beginning, the whole thing with the high voice, that's what was going on, to me, in the '80s. I was also a young guy, I was in San Antonio and wanted to sing high, and as I got older, I realized I wanted to sing, not scream. And it was probably "A Pleasant Shade Of Gray" when it came to me. And unfortunately, my voice changed. I grew up. Or whatever you want to call it.

Read more at http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/fates-warning-singer-explains-guitarist-frank-arestis-absence-from-the-road/#qDEzoXlTBgBp75os.99
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: kirksnosehair on October 03, 2013, 11:15:22 AM
I'd probably put this new album, FWX and APSoG in my top 3 Fates Warning albums.


Don't ask me to rank 'em, though!  :facepalm:   :lol   :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: tedesco23 on October 03, 2013, 10:19:42 PM
Away with words is very similar to First Impressions, but with Zonder on drums, which is very noticeable, in a good way I guess. I honestly prefer First Impressions, but If you like First Impressions, than you will like Away with words.

I'd offer a different take on this. Yes, one big difference is Zonder on drums; but equally massive is Michael Manring on bass.

First Impresions is nice, very pleasant. Away With Words is freaking spectacular.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: kirksnosehair on October 04, 2013, 01:09:34 PM
Album is growing on me like a fungus  :corn
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: abydos on October 04, 2013, 01:44:55 PM
Ray Alder on "singing not screaming":

San Antonio Metal Music Examiner: At what point in time did you scale back completely from the high vocal range that you were known for when you first joined the band on "No Exit", and how difficult was it to realize that a change in style was necessary?

Ray Alder: I think it was "A Pleasant Shade Of Gray" when I really came into my own and rearranged what I wanted to do with my voice. In the beginning, the whole thing with the high voice, that's what was going on, to me, in the '80s. I was also a young guy, I was in San Antonio and wanted to sing high, and as I got older, I realized I wanted to sing, not scream. And it was probably "A Pleasant Shade Of Gray" when it came to me. And unfortunately, my voice changed. I grew up. Or whatever you want to call it.

Read more at http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/fates-warning-singer-explains-guitarist-frank-arestis-absence-from-the-road/#qDEzoXlTBgBp75os.99

Well, that's all well and good but why completely ruin your voice so you can't do it? Having the range just makes your singing even better and more diverse, definitely more expressive when used correctly. No need to be No Exit level of screaming, but Parallels is great. Not to mention the whole performing older songs on tour thing...
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: dongringo on October 04, 2013, 02:02:17 PM
People make mistakes. At least he admits his smoking and drinking was a problem for his voice. I respect the honesty ....unlike Ego Tate.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: pain of occupation on October 04, 2013, 02:25:54 PM
Disconnected is a top 2 FW album.

...unless this new one tops it. haven't heard it yet, though.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Delirious Nomad on October 04, 2013, 06:06:40 PM
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Album is growing on me like a fungus

Doesn't it ?
But if there is one band I have filed under growing stuff, it's Fates Warning.
For me it was "One" leaving me cold the first time.
On the second or third spin, I got it and was like :o :metal (shockrocked ?)
Same with the chorus of Into The Black.   
Sometimes we all need our attention directed to something previously unappreciated.
I'd offer Kneel And Obey 2.47/3.23 & And Yet It Moves 5.58: facehugging kind of riffs.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on October 07, 2013, 08:57:22 AM
I've been quiet on commenting on this album, because everyone seems head over heels for it and it still hadn't grabbed me.  So I was silently giving it time.  It's been a full week, and I'm still not eating it up like everyone else, for some reason.  There are great moments -- "FireFly," "I Am," and "Into the Black" are top-notch tunes.  "One Thousand Fires" is also solid.  "And Yet It Moves" feels a little overhyped to me, right now.  Overall, I feel like the album is lacking some spark or juice.  I know I'm in the minority.  It feels more like an Engine (Ray Alder's side project from 10 or so years ago) album to me -- which is not a bad thing.  Engine had some solid tracks and albums, but it lacked the magic of a FW disc.  I feel like this disc is a tad dry sounding as well, and I miss some of the keys and sound effects that FW had incorporated into its three previous albums dating back to APSOG.  I find myself craving the Dream Theater album when I'm listening to the new FW, and I'll usually switch over before long to listen to "The Bigger Picture" or "Surrender to Reason."  I also don't think it's as good as the Arch/Matheos album from 2011 or any of the past four albums by Redemption (Ray's side project from the past 10 years).  In the FW catalog, it's falling in the middle for me, behind APSOG, Disconnected, Parallels and Inside Out.  I'm still giving it time, and I'm eagerly awaiting the moment when the switch goes off for me, but it hasn't happened yet.  I'm sure it will happen, so I have something to look forward to when it does.  FW albums usually take a while to click for me.   
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Awaken on October 07, 2013, 09:08:46 AM
I'm kind of in the same boat as Mebert78 in that this hasn't blown me away the way I had hoped it would.  I heard 'Into the Black', 'Firefly' and 'I Am' before release and was really psyched to hear the rest.  Unfortunately, those three remain the highlights of this effort for me.  'And yet it moves' is growing on me and 'Falling' is great.  The rest still isn't clicking though. 

I still cannot wait to see them in November, though. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Dr. DTVT on October 07, 2013, 09:44:17 AM
I've had the album for two months now since I needed it to edit Nick's review, so I've had more time to digest this album than most people.  It's a nice album and has some great stuff, but I don't know if I can honestly say it's in their top 5.  Parallels, Disconnected, APSoG, and Perfect Symmetry are a solid 1-2-3-4.  FWX makes a strong case for #5.  That's pretty much the point I've been at for about a month, but being #6 is no shame IMO.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: WebRaider on October 07, 2013, 10:28:51 PM
I've never listened to Fates Warning before really. I have been aware of them and know many people especially around here have mentioned them in Top50 album threads etc. For some unknown reason I've never dug into them. I just listened to "Firefly" and "I Am" from the new album and liked what I heard.


I noticed people mentioning screaming as a vocal style change so could be that's what had thrown me in the past, but I can't recall right off and my tastes have definitely become attune to different styled vocals over the last several years.  Recommendations?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nick on October 07, 2013, 10:31:40 PM
If anything this album has grown on me over time. It's not that I like my favorites any more, but the ones I wasn't overly fond of have grown on me, especially Into the Black.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: dongringo on October 07, 2013, 11:34:04 PM
I agree, this one's a grower. I've listened straight through on headphones with no distractions and it just keeps getting better...I'm not afraid to say I love this album...as a whole. Some individual tracks wouldn't be as good to me without the album context. All in all, great record! Love the heaviness, something we haven't had in a while.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: PowerSlave on October 08, 2013, 03:11:31 AM
I've never listened to Fates Warning before really. I have been aware of them and know many people especially around here have mentioned them in Top50 album threads etc. For some unknown reason I've never dug into them. I just listened to "Firefly" and "I Am" from the new album and liked what I heard.


I noticed people mentioning screaming as a vocal style change so could be that's what had thrown me in the past, but I can't recall right off and my tastes have definitely become attune to different styled vocals over the last several years.  Recommendations?

A lot would depend on your individual tastes. It's hard to give a recommendation to someone without knowing where they're coming from. Having said that, start with A Pleasant Shade of Gray and move outward from there is usually the best place to start in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: abydos on October 08, 2013, 05:13:25 AM
For me, Arch/Matheos did nothing. It lacked all the elements I loved in A Twist of Fate.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on October 08, 2013, 09:00:25 AM
I feel like the song order doesn't to the album any favors.  "Falling" is nice, but it feels like an unexplored idea without "Falling Further" on the main CD to bring the idea to fruition.  I also think "Kneel and Obey" gets lost in the seventh spot and would make a killer second track, bumping "Firefly " to the third spot.  I don't like "Falling" in the clean-up (4th) spot -- that's a spot for a hard-hitting song, in my opinion.  Also, none of the songs bleed into each other, so the album almost feels like a bunch of songs as opposed to a "unit."  Just little criticisms, but these are things that would enhance the album for me.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 08, 2013, 12:29:58 PM
Alright, I finally listened to the album, bonus songs included...it's pretty good. And Yet It Moves is just beautiful, Lighthouse is nice as well. Falling should have included Falling Deeper, botg would have made an awesome song. O Chloroform sounded cool with Moores lyrics.

Overall a pretty solid album, better than FWX, although FWX has my favorite song...Wish.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: MoraWintersoul on October 08, 2013, 03:25:32 PM
I feel like the song order doesn't to the album any favors.  "Falling" is nice, but it feels like an unexplored idea without "Falling Further" on the main CD to bring the idea to fruition.  I also think "Kneel and Obey" gets lost in the seventh spot and would make a killer second track, bumping "Firefly " to the third spot.  I don't like "Falling" in the clean-up (4th) spot -- that's a spot for a hard-hitting song, in my opinion.  Also, none of the songs bleed into each other, so the album almost feels like a bunch of songs as opposed to a "unit."  Just little criticisms, but these are things that would enhance the album for me.
Oh good, so I'm not the only one having problems with that.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on October 08, 2013, 03:34:47 PM
Still haven't heard this.  I'm hoping I can find it instore this weekend.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on October 08, 2013, 06:54:31 PM
I feel like the song order doesn't to the album any favors.  "Falling" is nice, but it feels like an unexplored idea without "Falling Further" on the main CD to bring the idea to fruition.  I also think "Kneel and Obey" gets lost in the seventh spot and would make a killer second track, bumping "Firefly " to the third spot.  I don't like "Falling" in the clean-up (4th) spot -- that's a spot for a hard-hitting song, in my opinion.  Also, none of the songs bleed into each other, so the album almost feels like a bunch of songs as opposed to a "unit."  Just little criticisms, but these are things that would enhance the album for me.
Oh good, so I'm not the only one having problems with that.

Kevin Moore fans always think alike.  ;)
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: abydos on October 08, 2013, 07:09:04 PM
No, no they don't :).
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on October 10, 2013, 08:57:49 AM
Fates is playing APSOG - Part VI on the tour in Europe!  That's my fav FW song.  Hope they play it in the U.S.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgNHqyjo98g
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TAC on October 10, 2013, 10:56:33 AM
Fates is playing APSOG - Part VI on the tour in Europe!  That's my fav FW song.  Hope they play it in the U.S.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgNHqyjo98g

Awesome! I'm lukewarm on APSOG as a whole but that song is also one of my favorite Alder era tracks. Maybe even Top 5. For some reason, I always refer to it as We're Not Children Anymore.

Awesome tune, awesome footage. And Ray Alder sounds...well...awesome!!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: kirksnosehair on October 10, 2013, 11:34:44 AM
*chills*  :omg:   :metal   :omg:
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TAC on October 10, 2013, 11:38:49 AM
Yes, and I love Ray Alder's delivery. He really sings with emotion. I've only seen FW once (Inside Out tour) and I was captivated by Ray the entire night.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: MoraWintersoul on October 10, 2013, 12:08:09 PM
Oh gosh Ray :heart

Proof that range isn't everything - well, not that anyone on this forum judges vocalists exclusively by their range, and not that having a wider range doesn't mean having more possibilities, it's just that you can work with any range if you're a truly good singer, and loss of it over time can be compensated in other ways.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: ronnibran on October 10, 2013, 04:26:33 PM
Love the entire album, except for Kneel and Obey.  Just can't dig that song.  But other than that the songs are all great!  I especially love Lighthouse, Into the Black, and Firefly.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on October 10, 2013, 10:54:08 PM
I just saw a picture of a setlist....  I'll shrink it for those who don't want spoilers...


One Thousand Fires
Life In Still Water
One
APSOG Part 3
Another Perfect Day
Down to the Wire
APSOG Part 6
Pieces of Me
I Am
The Eleventh Hour
Point of View
Firefly
Through Different Eyes
APSOG Part 11
Monument

Encore:
Still Remains


I think it's a really solid set list.   I could think of one or two songs I would change....but my expectations were not perfection.   This is a REALLY AWESOME setlist, and I'm really thrilled to see it.   (I just hope that certain songs are NOT truncated for brevity or I'll be pissed)
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: MoraWintersoul on October 11, 2013, 12:27:48 AM
Ooooooh god so jealous.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wasteland on October 11, 2013, 12:56:16 AM
I know less then a half of it, but it looks cool!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Beowulf on October 11, 2013, 07:50:41 AM
I do enjoy APSOG as a whole, but for me... I love the emotion of Ray's voice on the final track, especially on the live version.  But i like the setlist.  Can't wait to see them here in Dallas!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on October 11, 2013, 08:55:08 AM
I just saw a picture of a setlist....  I'll shrink it for those who don't want spoilers...


One Thousand Fires
Life In Still Water
One
APSOG Part 3
Another Perfect Day
Down to the Wire
APSOG Part 6
Pieces of Me
I Am
The Eleventh Hour
Point of View
Firefly
Through Different Eyes
APSOG Part 11
Monument

Encore:
Still Remains


I think it's a really solid set list.   I could think of one or two songs I would change....but my expectations were not perfection.   This is a REALLY AWESOME setlist, and I'm really thrilled to see it.   (I just hope that certain songs are NOT truncated for brevity or I'll be pissed)

Nice encore!  Oh, baby!  I'm surprised they left out one track in particular from the new album though.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TAC on October 11, 2013, 10:34:51 AM
That is an awesome set!!!!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Jaq on October 11, 2013, 11:28:12 AM
DAT ENCORE.  :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Cyclopssss on October 12, 2013, 06:47:41 AM
I'm liking it overall, but Having some trouble getting truly into it. I find the drums needlessly overplayed a lot of times.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Jaq on October 12, 2013, 07:20:40 AM
Still isn't clicking for me. I need to give it a listen away from my computer, away from distractions, because this isn't working for some reason and that's never happened with Fates for me.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TAC on October 12, 2013, 09:21:34 AM
After seeing Down To the Wire in the setlist, I busted out Inside Out last night. It's been a while but I really love that album. Ray is spectacular on it. I'm generally not a fan of bands contracting themselves into a more commercial sound, but Parallels and Inside Out make a great 1-2 punch.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on October 12, 2013, 06:16:56 PM
I'm three spins into it.  I need to get at least two more before I do a Jammin Dude Show review.

I LOVE the opening track.  I don't think FW has ever done a bad opener.   Firefly is the best "single" they've ever recorded IMO.  (and I like the longer version better).   Desire has done nothing for me so far.   Thoughts on Falling and Falling Further in a moment.  I Am, Lighthouse, and Into The Black is my favorite run on the album easily.   That is a trifecta for the ages.   Strongest part of the entire album by a longshot for me.   I really like Kneel and Obey, and I don't get the criticism for it....although the rest of the material is strong enough that I would rank it as a lower tier song.   I agree that O Chloroform sounds like an OSI holdover....but I love OSI, so you'll get no complaints from me...only a lingering curiosity of what it would sound like with Kevin.    And Yet It Moves is a weird one.   After three spins I have yet to find any connection between the first half and the second half of the song.   It almost feels like a mistake.   Like the first 9 minutes is a completely separate song called "Destination Unknown" with it's own beginning, verses, choruses and ending...and then a five minute song called "And Yet It Moves" begins.   It's just weird. 

Regarding Falling and Falling Farther.   Two ideas that I think would have worked better than the way it is now...but I can't decide which idea I prefer.

1) Falling as an intro to Falling Farther....it would become one single 6+ minute song with a beautiful acoustic intro.

2) Swap the titles.   The rockin version becomes Falling and remains track 4 on the album.   The acoustic piece becomes Falling Farther and appears as an 11th track "coda" for the album after "And Yet It Moves".    Riverside did something similar for their new album "Shrine of New Generation Slaves" and I thought it worked brilliantly.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TAC on October 13, 2013, 09:46:25 AM
J-dude, I agree with you on Falling/ Falling Farther.

Been on an FW kick and I spun FWX last night. It is easily my least favorite Alder era album by a large margin.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: BanksD on October 13, 2013, 09:56:33 AM
I'm still pretty new to FW (only listened to a few albums so far) but I thought the new album was really damn good.

probably gonna end up as one of my favorites from this year   :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: MoraWintersoul on October 13, 2013, 01:17:13 PM
2) Swap the titles.   The rockin version becomes Falling and remains track 4 on the album.   The acoustic piece becomes Falling Farther and appears as an 11th track "coda" for the album after "And Yet It Moves".    Riverside did something similar for their new album "Shrine of New Generation Slaves" and I thought it worked brilliantly.
PRECISELY it worked soooooo good for Riverside and I love both tracks.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on October 15, 2013, 04:56:04 PM
From Fates Warning's Facebook:

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This is just a personal message from the fateswarning.com webmaster, wearing my long-time fan hat.

It would be great to get all of the North American shows packed to capacity, so let's start tossing around ideas to help get them promoted. Join the forum in the link below to share your ideas, or at least go here to download the North American tour flyers and spread the word.

http://fateswarning.com/Forum/tabid/269/aft/202/Default.aspx
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on October 19, 2013, 12:35:10 AM
It's finally here!!
 
I posted it a couple of days late...but when I was recording it, I went on a LONG rant about the history of the band, and it just bloated the entire recording.   I ended up with a 25 minute video that was less than half review of the album.    So it took me a couple of days to "trim the fat" (which was about 80% of the "band history" rant) and now I have something that I'm mostly happy with.   
 
Hope you all enjoy!!
 
http://youtu.be/W6hAB0-wwho
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on October 28, 2013, 04:33:29 AM
Finally found the 2cd version in store on Saturday.  After one listen, this is a tricky one.  It obviously feels like a massive grower, so I'm going to be patient and give it time, but on the first listen, it felt a little safe.  It sounded more like Arch/Matheos and OSI then Fates Warning, but I think after so long between records, that's bound to happen.

Love the intro track.  Firefly has grown on me since initially hearing it.  Desire is an interesting one, sounds like a mix of OSI and Pieces of Me IMO.  Falling seems out of place and IMO it needs the excellent Falling Further with it.  That's a great one, and reminds one of the Parallels/Inside Out times.  I Am didn't grab me and neither did Lighthouse to be honest.  Kneel and Obey was a good one, and Chloroform was nice too.  And Yet It Moves is an instant classic to me.  This is what I was waiting for from the album.  It's basically a 2013 Still Remains but it's brilliant.

Interesting record.  I am also pretty disappointed that Frank Aresti did not contribute any rhythm guitar.  Just seeing him credited as 'additional lead guitar' leaves a bit of a bitter taste in my mouth to be honest.  It's like he's still a guess, but now him not being on tour, who knows where he will stand with the band in the future.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on October 28, 2013, 04:34:42 AM
Also, I think I'm gonna make a single version of the cd and replace Firefly with the long version.  I also would place Falling a little deeper in the record and then follow it with Falling Further.  Then add the live tracks on the end.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nel on October 28, 2013, 12:50:08 PM
Can't find this freakin' album anywhere in stores.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: abydos on October 28, 2013, 01:49:37 PM
RR, please, sign this band!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: WebRaider on October 30, 2013, 11:23:15 PM
Finally got a chance to check out the newest release here. I'm really digging it. As I noted previously, I've never really listened to FW much before but this is pretty cool. I know it's hard to recommend based on that but what do you guys think I should check out next from them?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: ? on October 31, 2013, 12:12:07 AM
I listened to APSOG and the new album and both left good first impressions! :) I should get Disconnected/Inside Out soon.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on October 31, 2013, 04:49:08 AM
This album is really growing, I'm glad I've given it time. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: bosk1 on October 31, 2013, 08:04:59 AM
Finally got a chance to check out the newest release here. I'm really digging it. As I noted previously, I've never really listened to FW much before but this is pretty cool. I know it's hard to recommend based on that but what do you guys think I should check out next from them?

I think X sounds the closest to this album.  But then again, I am NOT a Fates Warning fan.  I like the new album a lot, and I think X is pretty good, but beyond that, there are only a small handful of songs from them that I like.  Which is interesting because I LOVE Ray's work in Redemption, and I LOVE the last Arch/Matheos album, which is basically all of Fates Warning's musicians with a different vocalist.  If you haven't checked that album out or haven't check out Redemption's last two albums, I would recommend those over any other Fates Warning albums.  But that's just me.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: bosk1 on October 31, 2013, 08:13:34 AM
Just have to add this bit of discussion from another forum:

Quote from: bosk1
Can anyone tell me what And Yet It Moves is about? This song is so epic musically and I just started to delve into the lyrics which are thought provoking yet I'm not sure what exactly it's about.

I can't tell you specifically what they are about, but I think the post just prior to mine is on the right track.  The really unfortunate thing is that, whatever the song means, I can't UN-associate it in my mind with a certain Seinfeld episode, which kind of kills any kind of power the message of the song might otherwise have.  Really unfortunate song title in that regard.   :lol

(http://i.imgur.com/vGYLX0J.jpg)
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Scorpion on October 31, 2013, 02:57:49 PM
Finally got a chance to check out the newest release here. I'm really digging it. As I noted previously, I've never really listened to FW much before but this is pretty cool. I know it's hard to recommend based on that but what do you guys think I should check out next from them?

Disconnected. It's a little more atmospheric, but I think you'll really dig that if you like the new one.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Madman Shepherd on November 16, 2013, 12:19:06 PM
Went to Joliet, IL last night for the opening date of the Fates Warning tour.  The show was excellent and I'm happy to say the place was packed.  The downside is that it wasn't a very big place.  Still I would say there was maybe 300 people there. 

This might be the lamest review because I cannot for the life of me remember the setlist.  It was a pretty long night and they had 4 different opening bands (I think 2 were local).  So Fates didn't go on until after 10 but played til after midnight.  Halycon Way did not go over very well.  They kept trying to get the people into it but it did not go all that well.  People weren't hostile they just didn't respond.  I was half thinking it was a bad omen for how people would react to Fates but once they got on, the crowd was loud, singing along, throwing their hands in the air, etc. 

Hope everyone takes advantage of seeing them.  Tickets were only 17 bucks so it was totally worth it. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: PowerSlave on November 16, 2013, 11:50:27 PM
I'm going to the show in Cleveland on monday night. I'll try to put up my thoughts in this thread after the show.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: lonestar on November 17, 2013, 01:21:55 AM
I should be hitting the show in December, I'll add what I can.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nick on November 17, 2013, 02:41:52 PM
Not really enough activity for this band to justify two threads, so I've merged them.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nel on November 17, 2013, 02:51:22 PM
So two days after getting the new album in the mail, I got the first two albums in the mail.

And my FW studio collection is now complete.  ;D
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on November 17, 2013, 03:05:44 PM
So two days after getting the new album in the mail, I got the first two albums in the mail.

And my FW studio collection is now complete.  ;D

Enjoy them!  Night on Brocken has its ups and downs....but the ups are worth it.   The Spectre Within is *amazing*...and every bit Guardian's equal IMHO.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: PowerSlave on November 17, 2013, 03:11:30 PM
So two days after getting the new album in the mail, I got the first two albums in the mail.

And my FW studio collection is now complete.  ;D

Enjoy them!  Night on Brocken has its ups and downs....but the ups are worth it.   The Spectre Within is *amazing*...and every bit Guardian's equal IMHO.

Good album, but equal?... I dunno. It's just an opinion I guess.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nel on November 17, 2013, 03:17:17 PM
So two days after getting the new album in the mail, I got the first two albums in the mail.

And my FW studio collection is now complete.  ;D

Enjoy them!  Night on Brocken has its ups and downs....but the ups are worth it.   The Spectre Within is *amazing*...and every bit Guardian's equal IMHO.

Cool!  :metal I've already gotten pre-used to Arch's voice from Sympathetic Resonance (an album I love) and listened to a bit of Awaken The Guardian last month, so I *think* I'm good to go without any "This isn't Ray.  :sad: " moments.  :lol
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on November 17, 2013, 03:31:54 PM
So two days after getting the new album in the mail, I got the first two albums in the mail.

And my FW studio collection is now complete.  ;D

Enjoy them!  Night on Brocken has its ups and downs....but the ups are worth it.   The Spectre Within is *amazing*...and every bit Guardian's equal IMHO.

Good album, but equal?... I dunno. It's just an opinion I guess.

Dude!  EPITAPH!!  Pirates of the Underground!!  Kyrie Eleison!!!   Not to mention The Apparition.    Yes....TSW is just as good as Guardian.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on November 17, 2013, 03:40:15 PM
So two days after getting the new album in the mail, I got the first two albums in the mail.

And my FW studio collection is now complete.  ;D

Enjoy them!  Night on Brocken has its ups and downs....but the ups are worth it.   The Spectre Within is *amazing*...and every bit Guardian's equal IMHO.

Good album, but equal?... I dunno. It's just an opinion I guess.

Dude!  EPITAPH!!  Pirates of the Underground!!  Kyrie Eleison!!!   Not to mention The Apparition.    Yes....TSW is just as good as Guardian.

They're definitely pretty close to each other, no doubt about that. Personally I prefer Guardian by a small margin. There's just something special about that album as a whole.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: PowerSlave on November 17, 2013, 06:33:44 PM
So two days after getting the new album in the mail, I got the first two albums in the mail.

And my FW studio collection is now complete.  ;D

Enjoy them!  Night on Brocken has its ups and downs....but the ups are worth it.   The Spectre Within is *amazing*...and every bit Guardian's equal IMHO.

Good album, but equal?... I dunno. It's just an opinion I guess.

Dude!  EPITAPH!!  Pirates of the Underground!!  Kyrie Eleison!!!   Not to mention The Apparition.    Yes....TSW is just as good as Guardian.

All amazing songs. No argument from me. However, ATG is flawless front to back and is easily one of my favorite albums of all time. The only other album with John on it that compares in quality is SR which I consider Fates Warning canon which would also probably make a top 10 list for me. Twist of Fate would probably also be knocking on the door of that list if it was a little bit longer and had more than the two songs.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on November 17, 2013, 11:38:29 PM
New episode of The Jammin Dude show is the second in a series covering the "Unsung Heroes" of music....especially progressive rock artists.   This episode goes over a brief history of Fates Warning.

http://youtu.be/MjjKU7qw0jk
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: PowerSlave on November 19, 2013, 02:13:04 AM
My Cleveland review:

There were a total of 3 opening bands for the show tonight. The first two were local bands and I can't remember their names. Nothing much to note about these two bands other than the fact that the first band had a sax player. If you would have told me that I would have been seeing a band with a guy playing sax before I got to the venue opening for FW, I would have laughed in your face.

Halcyon Way was slightly interesting. They're really not my thing and I'm not sure how I would catagorize them. They seemed to play fairly well for what they were trying to do, but it's not the kind of thing that I would ever be into, so I'm not sure if I could give them a fair review. I will give them props for being energetic and they seemed to be very positive on stage which is always a positive in my book. I think that they would do better if they were on tour with a different kind of band than FW.

FW went on stage a little bit after 10pm. Their set list was the same as was listed previously in this thread. For the sake of not spoiling it for anyone that might be seeing them later in this tour, I won't be "re-posting" the list. However, one thing that I will say about it is that I didn't recognize the opening song that was played over the PA prior to them hitting the stage. I'm not sure if it was a problem with any other spots in the venue, but most of the music that was played over the PA sounded like a garbled mess where I was standing and that might have had an effect on my ability to pick the song out properly.

Performance wise, I would give the band a very solid B+. There were a few "missed notes" by the musicians here and there, but they were very solid for the most part. The most obvious of the "missed notes" was from the young man that replaced Frank for the tour. He didn't play bad at all. It just appears that he might have chosen to make a few of the lead passages his own instead of playing everything note for note. The band wasn't overly active on stage, but that's not what anyone who goes to a FW show is there to see anyways. Joey Vera's facial expressions and general stage presence is very entertaining, though. Bobby was excellent and did a wonderful job of covering Zonder's parts.

I would also give Ray a solid B+. He had wonderful stage presence. However, he did lose much of his voice later in the set right around the time that they played one of their earlier songs from his era. Considering the weather in northern Ohio tonight and some of the other things that have been discussed about his personal habits in the past, I think that the man held up quite well. Another of Ray's strengths is his ability to convey the emotion of a song to an audience. Ray was very much on top of his game in that aspect tonight.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nel on November 19, 2013, 12:41:21 PM
Falling Further.  :metal

I was just expecting a longer version of Falling. This rocks!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on November 19, 2013, 04:17:17 PM
I was just expecting a longer version of Falling. This rocks!

That's pretty much what it is, I love it.  Should have been on the album and really the first time the band have gone back to a little of their sound on Paralells and Inside Out.  Not much, but a little.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TAC on November 19, 2013, 04:31:53 PM
I was just expecting a longer version of Falling. This rocks!

That's pretty much what it is, I love it.  Should have been on the album and really the first time the band have gone back to a little of their sound on Paralells and Inside Out.  Not much, but a little.
Paralells and Inside Out are both great albums. Perhaps a little safe compared to the rest of their catalog, and while I typically don't like that kind of thing, Fates was in the pocket on these two albums.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on November 19, 2013, 04:33:40 PM
They are still my two fav albums from them, they did indeed nail it.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nel on November 19, 2013, 06:33:28 PM
I was just expecting a longer version of Falling. This rocks!

That's pretty much what it is, I love it.  Should have been on the album and really the first time the band have gone back to a little of their sound on Paralells and Inside Out.  Not much, but a little.

Yeah, I was thinking that it really would have been awesome if they did Falling and then it just lead into Falling Further. Would have been awesome on the album.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Jaq on November 19, 2013, 10:43:51 PM
I finally got a chance to listen to the new FW album with no distractions, and it's definitely a grower.  I agree with the notion that Falling Further should have made the main album and Falling should have been a reprise at the end of the album, though And Yet It Moves is a fantastic song. Far more solid album than I initially gave it credit for, though I still like Arch/Matheos better.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Madman Shepherd on November 20, 2013, 04:57:36 PM


I would also give Ray a solid B+. He had wonderful stage presence. However, he did lose much of his voice later in the set right around the time that they played one of their earlier songs from his era. Considering the weather in northern Ohio tonight and some of the other things that have been discussed about his personal habits in the past, I think that the man held up quite well. Another of Ray's strengths is his ability to convey the emotion of a song to an audience. Ray was very much on top of his game in that aspect tonight.

Towards the end of the set in Joliet he put his hand around his neck during one of the songs as his eyes sort of darted back and forth in a joking manner and it sounded like he said in a cartoonish voice, "Oh my voice".  There were still some other songs to be played and it didn't seem like he had many problems but it was an odd moment
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: PowerSlave on November 21, 2013, 02:44:50 AM


I would also give Ray a solid B+. He had wonderful stage presence. However, he did lose much of his voice later in the set right around the time that they played one of their earlier songs from his era. Considering the weather in northern Ohio tonight and some of the other things that have been discussed about his personal habits in the past, I think that the man held up quite well. Another of Ray's strengths is his ability to convey the emotion of a song to an audience. Ray was very much on top of his game in that aspect tonight.

Towards the end of the set in Joliet he put his hand around his neck during one of the songs as his eyes sort of darted back and forth in a joking manner and it sounded like he said in a cartoonish voice, "Oh my voice".  There were still some other songs to be played and it didn't seem like he had many problems but it was an odd moment

I wonder how long it's been since he's had to sing a full headline set for a full tour. I'm not sure how much Redemption tours and I wonder if it's something that he's just not used to doing at this point. He's also a person that has lived in warm climates his whole life and he's touring the upper mid-west on the verge of winter...
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Awaken on November 22, 2013, 10:04:10 AM
http://foxct.com/2013/11/22/morning-extra-progressive-metal-band-fates-warning-performs/

Pretty cool acoustic version of Firefly from this morning's local news
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: goo-goo on November 24, 2013, 07:41:52 AM
Yet it moves seems like its about time.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: The Trooper on November 24, 2013, 08:37:41 AM
Going to see them tonite. A friend of mine is opening for them.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: LudwigVan on November 24, 2013, 10:02:23 AM
So last night's show in NYC was awesome. The new songs sounded great and so did Ray. Love how this band always has the bass up in the mix. Joey Vera is into it!

I had been at several shows where FW was the opener for Dream Theater or Queensryche or whatnot, so this was my 1st time seeing them as the main act. It was so good that one enthusiastic prog-metaller started chanting "f*ck Dream Theater!" toward the end of the show.  Lol
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Beowulf on November 25, 2013, 07:42:51 AM
Less than two weeks until the Dallas show!  never having seen FW before, do they pretty much stick to the same setlist throughout their tour, or do they change it up any?  The setlist looks fantastic, from what's been posted here, though i would LOVE to hear "O Chloroform" somewhere in there.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: dongringo on November 25, 2013, 08:03:04 AM
I don't want to see the whole set list, but would like to know if they are playing And Yet It Moves. That's my favorite song of theirs of all time at this point. Are they playing it?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Beowulf on November 25, 2013, 09:51:59 AM
Wasn't on the setlist that was posted here, anyway.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: PowerSlave on November 26, 2013, 02:11:08 AM
I don't want to see the whole set list, but would like to know if they are playing And Yet It Moves. That's my favorite song of theirs of all time at this point. Are they playing it?

SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!!!!

No, they did not play it in Cleveland and I've not seen or heard any mention of the song being played elsewhere.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: dongringo on November 26, 2013, 06:43:08 AM
It seems unfathomable to me that they wouldn't play the epic off their latest album, but oh well. I still hold out hope that they will add it to the set for the second half of the tour.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 27, 2013, 03:20:45 PM
Nick, I believe you'll be there tonight. If I see you I'll say hi but I'll use this super secret code phrase:

"hi, I'm phoenix from DTF"  ;)
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nick on November 27, 2013, 03:38:52 PM
:lol Sounds good. It looks like doors are at 7, with three opening acts, and so I don't plan to show up till about 8:30. I'll be wearing my Shadow Gallery Tyranny 15th anniversary shirt, and if it's colder inside I'll have my Flying Colors hoodie on.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 28, 2013, 12:07:41 AM
Just got back from the show.

Sorry Nick, somehow I missed you.

It was a pretty sweet show. The setlist was pretty much exactly what I wanted, but I kind of felt like the time just flew by and they were done in a heartbeart. I wish they would have cut out one of the god damn FOUR opening bands, so FW could add an extra few songs. FFS, I was starting to feel like I was at a festival.

But I still had a good time and I'm very happy to say that I got to shake hands with Jim and Ray at the end of the show, which was very cool.

Anyway, here's pics:

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x459/phoenix87x/0FF42F31-F3E6-442C-B802-295AE3C3E314-2584-000001FE24D63816_zpse6a99cfd.jpg) (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/phoenix87x/media/0FF42F31-F3E6-442C-B802-295AE3C3E314-2584-000001FE24D63816_zpse6a99cfd.jpg.html)

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x459/phoenix87x/350B324D-9EBA-4582-9588-722FBBFF36F6-2584-000001FE175F9B74_zpse2be3f8e.jpg) (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/phoenix87x/media/350B324D-9EBA-4582-9588-722FBBFF36F6-2584-000001FE175F9B74_zpse2be3f8e.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nick on November 28, 2013, 12:49:42 PM
Fates put on an awesome show. I showed up at quarter to nine, and fortunately missed two of the opening acts. After the third opening act I was able to walk right into the front row. Third opening act was actually quite enjoyable, and I ended up being right next to Joey Vera's monitor and mic stand, as there was no barrier between the stage and front row. As someone who had not seen them before I loved the set except for the fact it was lacking in new material.

(http://www.nickeh.com/images/FW01.jpg)

Edit: Oh, and Portnoy was at the show as well.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on November 29, 2013, 07:45:37 AM
YEah, POrtnoy posted about meeting the FW guys on the show.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Beowulf on December 02, 2013, 07:57:33 AM
So, the Dallas show is this Thursday.  I plan on being there with my 15-year-old son in tow.  Anyone else plan on attending?  Would love to meet other DTF-ers, though i DID meet El Barto at the last DT show here.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Beowulf on December 02, 2013, 08:27:33 AM
Just read a blurb about the tour that had a few clips of their show in NY.  It can be found here: http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/fates-warning-fan-filmed-footage-of-new-york-city-concert/

Ray sounds pretty damned good.  I am VERY excited about Thursday's show!!!!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: dongringo on December 14, 2013, 12:47:40 PM
Well, I finally got to see Fate's last night in Portland. It started about 45 minutes late and there were two opening bands, neither of which were very good in my opinion. Then Fate's came out guns a blazing and the intensity didn't let up until the final note. They put on a very energetic, absolutely killer performance. I was standing at the front center right in front of Ray. All of them were totally into it and it was surprising to see that even Jim and the fill in guitarist were smiling and connecting with the audience. I never imagined Jim to be that animated. Joey of course is the man live and Bobby is a machine and his drums couldn't have sounded any better. The overall sound mix from the front was above average for the Hawthorne Theater and the band does it old school with stage monitors. Ray sounded fantastic for the first few songs and sounded particularly great singing the new stuff, but then he started to struggle with some of the old stuff in the middle of the set. But then he had a minute to go backstage and he probably hawked something up and drank some water because he came back out sounded really good again for rest of the set. Still Remains couldn't have been a better encore in my opinion unless they would have played And Yet It Moves so we left the building blown away by a master class in progressive metal. Unfortunately, there were only maybe 200 people there, but all appreciative diehards with a few new young fans thrown in like the two pre-teen girls in front of me who received not one, not two, but three picks from Joey and Jim. I have to attribute the low attendance with the band basically dropping off the face of America for ten years and the Hawthorne Theater doesn't advertise at all. All of the band members made eye contact several times, even Bobby, and the entire band had that bond with the audience which is the reason why we see our favorite bands live. All in all, a great show, better than I had imagined it would be, and I had high expectations.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on December 15, 2013, 09:36:40 AM
I just saw a picture of a setlist....  I'll shrink it for those who don't want spoilers...

One Thousand Fires
Life In Still Water
One
APSOG Part 3
Another Perfect Day
Down to the Wire
APSOG Part 6
Pieces of Me
I Am
The Eleventh Hour
Point of View
Firefly
Through Different Eyes
APSOG Part 11
Monument

Encore:
Still Remains


I think it's a really solid set list.   I could think of one or two songs I would change....but my expectations were not perfection.   This is a REALLY AWESOME setlist, and I'm really thrilled to see it.   (I just hope that certain songs are NOT truncated for brevity or I'll be pissed)


Since there are no more shows, I thought I'd go ahead and say outright that the setlist was the same as the European leg....with the exception that Down to the Wire was not played (APSOG 3 was moved to before One) and near the end of the set, Wish was played just before Monument.


Great show.   There will be a Jammin Dude review posted within the next day or two.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on December 29, 2013, 06:31:49 PM
Review is up!!!

Really great show with some AMAZING opening bands.   Links to all bands website are contained.   

If you're into Enchant, please check out the first opening band Graphic Light Theory...they were AMAZING. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-nvfZiknHE
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: bosk1 on December 30, 2013, 12:45:45 PM
Great to hear that they are putting on such great shows.  Bummer about the attendance.  But the problem is, they just aren't a big draw.  I know one of the problems in the past with them is that they did zero promotion for their shows.  Not sure if that was an issue this time around, but if so, it is something they should address.  Another thing they should think about is making more of a concerted effort to tour with other acts that actually do draw crowds.  I know they did a joint tour with Queensryche and DT back in 2003, and I know DT is back to the evening with format for this leg of the tour at least.  But trying to get back on a bill with one or both of those bands would be good for them.  Maiden is another band that comes to mind that they would probably do well with.  In any case, I think they should give that some thought.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on January 31, 2014, 11:14:42 AM
Matheos solo album teaser: http://jimmatheos.com/News/tabid/432/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/103/Halo-Effect-an-experimental-guitar-album-released.aspx
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mindflux on January 31, 2014, 11:16:31 AM
Matheos solo album teaser: http://jimmatheos.com/News/tabid/432/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/103/Halo-Effect-an-experimental-guitar-album-released.aspx

The consensus so far from facebook has not been good.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 31, 2014, 11:17:15 AM
..That actually makes me more interested. :lol
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mindflux on January 31, 2014, 11:18:16 AM
..That actually makes me more interested. :lol

These are all Fates/Jim Matheos fans from their fan pages.. *shrug*

Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 31, 2014, 11:19:50 AM
Apart from some of FWX and A Pleasant Shade Of Grey, Fates bores me. The fact that they don't like makes it seem more likely that I will like it.

Course, it might still suck, but I'm actually interested in hearing it now.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Madman Shepherd on January 31, 2014, 03:47:58 PM
Are we sure this just isn't a lost Buckethead album?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nel on January 31, 2014, 04:19:22 PM
Maybe. He released, like, 700 albums last year. He might have lost one on the way.  :lol
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Dr. DTVT on January 31, 2014, 05:47:30 PM
Apart from some of FWX and A Pleasant Shade Of Grey, Fates bores me.

You're stupid and your face is ugly.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 31, 2014, 05:48:14 PM
no u
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: PowerSlave on January 31, 2014, 08:39:41 PM
Review is up!!!

Really great show with some AMAZING opening bands.   Links to all bands website are contained.   

If you're into Enchant, please check out the first opening band Graphic Light Theory...they were AMAZING. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-nvfZiknHE

Great Review!!!

Also, I need to mention that I was wrong about the setlist when I posted my thoughts about the Cleveland show. I didn't realize it until I watched your review.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on January 31, 2014, 11:16:45 PM
Review is up!!!

Really great show with some AMAZING opening bands.   Links to all bands website are contained.   

If you're into Enchant, please check out the first opening band Graphic Light Theory...they were AMAZING. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-nvfZiknHE

Great Review!!!

Also, I need to mention that I was wrong about the setlist when I posted my thoughts about the Cleveland show. I didn't realize it until I watched your review.

Thank you!   More coming up.   Super Bowl....and the Transatlantic show.    And all in one day!   (thanks to some idiot concert promoter...  :-\ )
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: ? on February 01, 2014, 12:43:23 AM
Matheos solo album teaser: http://jimmatheos.com/News/tabid/432/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/103/Halo-Effect-an-experimental-guitar-album-released.aspx
The song sounds interesting, but I'm not sure I'd listen to a full album of that kind of music.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on February 03, 2014, 03:35:39 AM
I personally don't understand or see the point of doing stuff like this.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: pogoowner on February 04, 2014, 04:18:17 PM
I personally don't understand or see the point of doing stuff like this.
I don't really get it either, but I'm all for him doing what interests him.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nel on February 04, 2014, 08:47:07 PM
Plus, let him get this stuff out of his system on a self-contained solo album rather than somewhere else we wouldn't want it.  :lol
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on February 05, 2014, 10:12:18 AM
I'm curious to see how many copies JM's solo album sells.  Not that he's doing it for sales, but I'm curious if there's an interest in this type of music.  Jim's two previous solo albums were beautiful.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: abydos on February 05, 2014, 12:25:15 PM
There is a market for weird ambient stuff like that but I don't think he'll get the exposure to that listener base coming from where he is mostly known. And I'm sure there will be no promotion done by anyone.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: MoraWintersoul on February 06, 2014, 10:16:34 AM
What he said, there is definitely interest, and I know a bunch of people who listen to that sorta thing, but Fates isn't anywhere on their radar.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: ? on March 05, 2014, 01:24:08 AM
FW has become one of my favorite bands in the past few months and Still Remains is one of the best songs I've ever heard :hefdaddy I've got all the Alder-era albums and I'd probably rank them like this:

1. Disconnected
2. APSOG
3. Parallels
4. Darkness in a Different Light
5. Inside Out
6. Perfect Symmetry
7. FWX
8. No Exit

The top 5 albums are all worth at least 4 stars and Disconnected is perfect in my eyes. Perfect Symmetry is musically good, but Ray's screechy singing makes it a bit hard to listen to. FWX has a few great songs, but isn't very exciting as a full album and No Exit has a thrashy vibe that doesn't appeal to me that much. I've tried listening to some John Arch-era songs, but I don't like his voice and the music isn't on the level of the stuff they've done with Ray IMO.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on March 05, 2014, 07:51:04 AM
John Arch does take some getting used to, but I found that the payoff is worth it. While I love Ray and his work with the band, there's a certain magic that Matheos has with Arch, as shown on both Awaken the Guardian and the Arch/Matheos album that came out three years ago.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: ? on March 26, 2014, 09:55:02 AM
Has anyone else heard Jim's First Impressions album? I'm listening to it for the first time and it's frickin' beautiful :heart
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mindflux on March 26, 2014, 04:11:36 PM
Has anyone else heard Jim's First Impressions album? I'm listening to it for the first time and it's frickin' beautiful :heart

Yep. I need to get the other one "Away with Words"

Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on April 20, 2014, 07:20:31 PM
How has Darkness in a Different Light aged for everyone?  The first couple of listens didnt do much for me, but this disc is a major grower.  I'm listening to it lots, very addicting.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 20, 2014, 08:13:24 PM
How has Darkness in a Different Light aged for everyone?  The first couple of listens didnt do much for me, but this disc is a major grower.  I'm listening to it lots, very addicting.

Meh, and I'm really not trying to be negative. I love Fate's Warning, but I haven't listened to it in months. Its got a few really solid tracks, but they are capable of more.

And also, waiting like 100 years for it to come up doesn't really help that much either.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on April 20, 2014, 08:32:56 PM
I think it's really good.  I like it *worlds* better than FWX.   

But I'm just stuck on other things right now.    I still can't stop listening to Haken's The Mountain...and my next purchase is most likely going to be their first two albums.   Also addicted to the new album by Odd Logic, and I'm trying to process their first three albums as well.   Add to that...I've been getting nostalgic about an older local area thrash band (Forced Entry) that I'm going to be interviewing soon.    I just don't have time for anything else. 

Sometimes, even really good albums slip through the cracks, and this is no exception.    It's not APSOG or Disconnected, but it's a very solid mid-tier effort from a classic band.   And that's not a bad thing. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: goo-goo on April 21, 2014, 10:45:22 AM
I love this album. Keep spinning it at least once a week.

I'm still trying to hunt down the autographed vinyl version of this one. If anybody is willing to part ways with it, please let me know
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: pogoowner on April 22, 2014, 02:19:11 AM
I'm not crazy about the album, but it's okay. I'm a much bigger fan of Alder than Arch, but the Arch/Matheos album, to me, turned out a lot better.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on April 22, 2014, 05:59:21 AM
I've honestly had no read desire and go back and listen to this regulary.  The book end songs are great, but I find of lot of it in the middle pretty bland.  I'd still take FWX over this.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: ? on April 22, 2014, 06:41:26 AM
I love the album, but then again I'm a relatively new fan. The only song I don't like that much is Lighthouse.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: bl5150 on April 22, 2014, 06:55:05 AM
I've honestly had no read desire and go back and listen to this regulary.  The book end songs are great, but I find of lot of it in the middle pretty bland.  I'd still take FWX over this.

Just one of the bookends for me (And Yet it Moves) - the rest did little for me.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on April 22, 2014, 07:49:16 AM
It's a great album, but the Arch/Matheos album was definitely superior.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: bosk1 on April 22, 2014, 10:34:33 AM
I think I may have said this already in this thread, but:  For some reason, Fates Warning in general has never clicked with me.  On paper, they bring everything to the table that I like in music.  But somehow, it just doesn't work.  I love Ray Alder in Redemption.  And I love what the rest of the band has done in some other projects, such as Arch/Matheos.  But together, their songs just don't do anything for me, with the exception of the odd song here or there (Monument is probably my favorite). 

X is the first Fates Warning album I found myelf enjoying and wanting to listen to.  The latest album is even a big leap over that, and I would consider it their finest work.  Some really good songs on there.  I have probably spun it more than all other Fates albums combined.

Related:  I ever so briefly met Frank Aresti at the Dream Theater show last week after sound check.  He introduced himself to me simply as "Frank," and it did not click right away who he was until John Petrucci gave his full name.  I felt a little silly then.  :lol  I did not say anything about the new album, partly because I was caught off guard by not recognizing him, and partly because, honestly, I have not paid enough attention to know whether he is on the latest album.  I believe he is, but I did not want to put my foot in my mouth and say how awsome it was if it turns out he isn't even on it.  Anyhow, seems like a really nice guy from what I could tell from such a brief meeting.  I caught a few glimpses of he and his wife watching the DT show from over behind JP's guitar world area, hanging out next to Maddi.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: goo-goo on April 22, 2014, 11:28:04 AM
Frank does (did) all the solos on the album.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: bosk1 on April 22, 2014, 11:39:46 AM
My vague recollection was that he played on this album, but like I said, I couldn't remember for sure, and I would have hated to have said something completely off-base.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: goo-goo on April 22, 2014, 01:26:53 PM
My vague recollection was that he played on this album, but like I said, I couldn't remember for sure, and I would have hated to have said something completely off-base.

Yeah I hear you.

I would someday like to meet Jim Matheos. He's probably my favorite all time musician (lyricist and player).
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: PowerSlave on April 22, 2014, 11:05:37 PM
I got to meet the band on their tour for APSOG in Columbus, Ohio. Frank wasn't with the band at that point and it was Joey's first tour with them. Very nice guys all of them. We spoke to Joey the most, but made our rounds to all of them. Jim seemed to be very reserved, but friendly as well. If you ever get the chance to talk to them definitely take it.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: ? on May 03, 2014, 11:01:19 AM
This is pretty awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa1zCov_nXw
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on May 09, 2014, 11:39:19 AM
"And I knooooooooooow we're not children anymoreeeeeeeeee!  Innocence lost in a seaaaaaaaaa of graaaaaaaay!"   :metal



Sorry, just listening to some APSOG.  That part always gets me.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: kirksnosehair on May 09, 2014, 11:52:06 AM
I've honestly had no read desire and go back and listen to this regulary.  The book end songs are great, but I find of lot of it in the middle pretty bland.  I'd still take FWX over this.


Same here. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on August 02, 2014, 05:06:55 PM
I've been obsessing over Jim Matheo's solo albums the past two weeks.  Not the recent solo album that seems to be guitar "noise," but the first two solo albums that have lots of acoustic stuff and violins, etc.  Wow, there is some amazing stuff on those two discs.  I've listened before, but they never really hit me like this.   I'm unhealthily hooked on them right now.

I've even been thinking i'd like to see a short tour of Jim/ Kevin Moore solo material.  Jim plays a solo set first comprised of songs from his solo albums, then a short break before Kevin hits the stage for a set of his solo and Chroma Key material, then they both take the stage for an OSI set to close the show.  Oh, baby.  That would be so killer.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 02, 2014, 06:16:36 PM
First impressions and Away with words are amazing.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: MoraWintersoul on August 03, 2014, 05:21:17 AM
I've even been thinking i'd like to see a short tour of Jim/ Kevin Moore solo material.  Jim plays a solo set first comprised of songs from his solo albums, then a short break before Kevin hits the stage for a set of his solo and Chroma Key material, then they both take the stage for an OSI set to close the show.  Oh, baby.  That would be so killer.
Literally shoot me in the face because there's no point in living until I see this.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Cyclopssss on August 11, 2014, 05:22:54 AM
For some reason Ray´s vocals shine more in Redemption than in Fates. I´d love to see another Matheos/Arch project.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: goo-goo on August 11, 2014, 08:26:03 AM
Anybody willing to part ways with the signed vinyl version that was up on the Inside Out webshop earlier in the year?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mindflux on August 11, 2014, 08:55:11 AM
Anybody willing to part ways with the signed vinyl version that was up on the Inside Out webshop earlier in the year?

I don't recall them being signed, just a specific color. I have one, I think.  :rollin

Oh wait, I have the CM Distro double white vinyl.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: goo-goo on August 11, 2014, 03:35:09 PM
Anybody willing to part ways with the signed vinyl version that was up on the Inside Out webshop earlier in the year?

I don't recall them being signed, just a specific color. I have one, I think.  :rollin

Oh wait, I have the CM Distro double white vinyl.

The webshop (Inside Out Europe) was offering signed Red copies for a while....I was out of the country and couldn't order from where I was. I'm kicking my head over this everytime I hear this record...I love this one...including the artwork, very simple and minimalistic yet seems powerful.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: abydos on August 11, 2014, 04:06:32 PM
The thread prompted me to listen to last year's album again. Yep, still amazing, album of 2013 for me.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Dublagent66 on August 14, 2014, 10:18:22 AM
I really like Ray Alder in everything he does.  Fates Warning, Engine, Redemption...it's all great.  This latest album is really good too, but my all time fav FW album is still APSOG, hands down.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Tomislav95 on September 10, 2014, 08:49:31 AM
It's time to make this thread more active. They are going in Europe and will come to city where I'll be in university. I'm not big fan (I like them but don't know all albums) but I got to see them and I like setlist from last leg.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: ? on September 10, 2014, 08:50:51 AM
Fates Warning, Y U NO COME TO FINLAND?!

The only time they were here was in '95 when they were supporting DT. I guess they don't have enough of a fanbase in Nordic countries... :sadpanda:
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Tomislav95 on September 10, 2014, 08:54:36 AM
Fates Warning, Y U NO COME TO FINLAND?!

The only time they were here was in '95 when they were supporting DT. I guess they don't have enough of a fanbase in Nordic countries... :sadpanda:
I think this is going to be their first time in Croatia.
I always feel they are underrated, alsocthey are playing in small club and ticket is cheap. Reason more for me to go, I like smaller venues.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on October 27, 2014, 08:37:18 AM
FATES WARNING Singer Blames Band's 'Lackadaisical' Attitude For Lack Of DREAM THEATER-Level Commercial Success

Link: http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/fates-warning-singer-blames-bands-lackadaisical-attitude-for-lack-of-dream-theater-level-commercial-success/

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FATES WARNING singer Ray Alder believes that the group's "lackadaisical" attitude towards recording and touring was was what ultimates cost him and his bandmates the kind of sustained commercial success that is enjoyed by DREAM THEATER, a band that many consider to be the premier progressive metal outfit in the world.

Formed in 1982 by vocalist John Arch, guitarists Jim Matheos and Victor Arduini, bassist Joe DiBiase, and drummer Steve Zimmerman in Hartford, Connecticut, FATES WARNING went through a number of lineup changes in its 30-year-plus career while releasing eleven studio albums, two live albums, one compilation album, one VHS, three DVDs (each of them features live concerts) and four demo tapes. The band experienced major American commercial success with the 1986 release of their third studio album, "Awaken The Guardian", which peaked at No. 191 on The Billboard 200 chart and became the first LP released on Metal Blade to enter that chart. Their next three albums, "No Exit" (1988), "Perfect Symmetry" (1989) and "Parallels" (1991), were also successful; the first two peaked at No. 111 and No. 141 on the Billboard 200, respectively.

Asked by Brazil's "Wikimetal" what he thinks about former DREAM THEATER drummer Mike Portnoy saying DREAM THEATER often gets mistakenly credited for creating a genre that FATES WARNING launched years earlier, Alder said: "I get asked that a lot." He continued: "It's funny. They changed everything a lot, DREAM THEATER. They're amazing, amazing musicians, and I'm very happy that they have all the success they have. But their formula was much better than ours. You know, we would do an album and do a tour, and then we'd stop for a couple of years, or four years, and we'd another album and tour. They had the right idea — do an album, tour, do an album, tour, do an album tour — and they built their fan base by being there all the time. And the lack of us touring and putting albums out, it certainly hurt us a bit as far as fans [are concerned]. You know, we [release albums and play to] our fans that are there, and then we're not there anymore, so they move on to something else. I think a lot of it is our fault for being a bit lackadaisical in our performance and writing and things like that… Well, not in our performance — we definitely give everything we have when we play live — but I think that's probably one of the things."

Alder added: "But it doesn't bother me at all [that DREAM THEATER gets that kind of credit]. I mean, again, I wish them all the luck in the world, and it seems like they have it. [Laughs]"

In a 2009 interview with The Mooreatorium, former FATES WARNING drummer Mark Zonder was asked what he would say to those who credit the band with defining the progressive metal genre. "I think 'Eye To Eye' and 'Monument' are pretty close to perfect songs," Mark replied. "That is a very nice compliment, but it would have been nice for the band to progress and become a bit more successful in the commercial sense. I think that would have helped things along instead of us always sort of struggling with good tours, etc."

FATES WARNING's eleventh studio album, "Darkness In A Different Light", sold around 2,700 copies in the United States in its first week of release. The CD was issued in North America on October 1, 2013 via InsideOut Music.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on October 27, 2014, 08:44:36 AM
I tend to agree with him.

I first got in FW around the release of FWX which was in 2004. This is probably the height of my interest in the band, but yet the album drops and then they appear to disappear off the face of the earth. Besides the occasional overseas show, I honestly thought they were broken up permanently.   



Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on October 27, 2014, 08:45:22 AM
Wow, another misleading Blabbermouth article. Who'd have thought.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on October 27, 2014, 09:55:06 AM
Nice to see The Mooreatorium get cited in the Blabbermouth article.  That was surprise.  Here's my 2009 interview with Zonder they cited, in case anyone is interested.  He was pretty candid: http://themooreatorium.tripod.com/interview-with-mark-zonder-%28oct.-2-2009%29.html
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TAC on October 27, 2014, 02:21:26 PM
That's an awesome interview, M.

And that's a great quote from Ray about being lacksadsical. You can feel his frustration. I've said many times that Jim has made being a Fates fan a very frustratingthing. I've always felt that if he didn't care for his fans, then why should we? His erratic output, to me, showed a lack of respect for the fans.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Madman Shepherd on October 27, 2014, 03:34:29 PM
Wow, another misleading Blabbermouth article. Who'd have thought.

Doesn't seem misleading to me. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on October 27, 2014, 03:34:57 PM
They seemed to have the crossover potential with the release of Parallels, but I guess it was a number of factors that held them back. Not sure of all the reasons, but I think Fates should be on the level of DT
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TAC on October 27, 2014, 03:46:48 PM
They seemed to have the crossover potential with the release of Parallels, but I guess it was a number of factors that held them back. Not sure of all the reasons, but I think Fates should be on the level of DT
DT seemed to appeal to musicians at the time. I think that really helped their reputation.

Plus DT toured endlessly for I&W. Fates never did anything, especially in the Arch days. They never seemed to have a dirction or drive, even though they were making some pretty thoughtful music.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on October 27, 2014, 08:03:25 PM
They seemed to have the crossover potential with the release of Parallels, but I guess it was a number of factors that held them back. Not sure of all the reasons, but I think Fates should be on the level of DT
DT seemed to appeal to musicians at the time. I think that really helped their reputation.

Plus DT toured endlessly for I&W. Fates never did anything, especially in the Arch days. They never seemed to have a dirction or drive, even though they were making some pretty thoughtful music.

I was around when all that was happening.  You have to remember that A) DT had a major label, and B) DT had the push of Pull Me Under hitting it big on MTV.    I followed Fates ever since The Spectre Within.   They were on Metal Blade back when Metal Blade was almost nothing.    Fates did the east coast constantly in those days, and occasionally funneled down into LA.    That's the way things have always been.   Living in the Seattle area, it was always REALLY depressing to see Phoenix, Salt Lake City, Denver...etc...etc... all get to see bands that we never could...just because they were en route to LA.    Fates Warning finally made it to Seattle on the No Exit tour, but I couldn't go because it was at a bar and I was only 18.   

Trust me, FW did what they could.   It was mostly when Parallels failed to make the splash that everyone had hoped for.   Metal Blade had JUST been acquired briefly by Warner Brothers when Parallels came out, so there was a bit of an advertising push...but the singles just didn't become the "hits" that Pull Me Under did.   Less than a year later, WB dropped Metal Blade and very nearly went under.   (this was during the grunge push...and Combat *did* go under during this time.  All the Combat bands were completely out of a job, and their albums went out of print for awhile)

Inside Out was released under the Metal Blade moniker...but some off brand label had picked up distribution (Priority Records?? I think???)  Anyway, interviews with the band kindof hinted that everyone was pretty depressed going back into the studio for that record.  They felt like they had had their "one big shot" with Parallels, and it just didn't happen.   Then when IO did even less (far less I think) than Parallels did, Frank and Joey flew the coup.    To tell you the truth, I thought Fates was completely done at that point....and in many ways, the original incarnation of Fates *was* done at that point.   APSOG was essentially Jim re-inventing himself under the FW moniker.    Not in a bad way, I'm glad he did.   APSOG and Disconnected are now my top 2 FW albums. 

All this is just to say that FW really did try hard to be a touring act up through Inside Out.  But when Joey and Frank left...it became a bit more of a Jim Matheos side-project...even if the music did improve dramatically.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on October 27, 2014, 09:29:03 PM
Wow, another misleading Blabbermouth article. Who'd have thought.

Doesn't seem misleading to me.

Really? The title reads like Alder slams the band for lackadasical attitude, and denounces them. It frames the situation as "Alder vs. the band".

Then you read the article. Alder is very relaxed. He uses terms like "we" and "us" and generally seems like he's simply imparting facts, not making some sort of judgment, as the article implies. And this is nothing new for blabbermouth, it's basically how all their headlines read.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on October 28, 2014, 05:22:22 AM
The title is a little misleading but considering what Alder says, the title is legit.  Anyone who knows Blabbermouth knows to read the article instead of making judgement on the story title alone.  I don't think there is any other reason for what they do besides simply getting clicks on their page.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on October 28, 2014, 06:07:57 AM
Yeah, I know, that's what I take issue with. :lol
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: ? on October 28, 2014, 07:16:12 AM
It's a pity Fates never got to DT's (or Queensryche's) level of success, because Parallels could've been a big album with the right amount of promotion, but luckily they never stopped putting out quality music.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TAC on October 28, 2014, 01:58:10 PM

I was around when all that was happening.  You have to remember that A) DT had a major label, and B) DT had the push of Pull Me Under hitting it big on MTV.    I followed Fates ever since The Spectre Within.   They were on Metal Blade back when Metal Blade was almost nothing.    Fates did the east coast constantly in those days, and occasionally funneled down into LA.    That's the way things have always been.   Living in the Seattle area, it was always REALLY depressing to see Phoenix, Salt Lake City, Denver...etc...etc... all get to see bands that we never could...just because they were en route to LA.    Fates Warning finally made it to Seattle on the No Exit tour, but I couldn't go because it was at a bar and I was only 18.   

Trust me, FW did what they could.   It was mostly when Parallels failed to make the splash that everyone had hoped for.   Metal Blade had JUST been acquired briefly by Warner Brothers when Parallels came out, so there was a bit of an advertising push...but the singles just didn't become the "hits" that Pull Me Under did.   Less than a year later, WB dropped Metal Blade and very nearly went under.   (this was during the grunge push...and Combat *did* go under during this time.  All the Combat bands were completely out of a job, and their albums went out of print for awhile)

Inside Out was released under the Metal Blade moniker...but some off brand label had picked up distribution (Priority Records?? I think???)  Anyway, interviews with the band kindof hinted that everyone was pretty depressed going back into the studio for that record.  They felt like they had had their "one big shot" with Parallels, and it just didn't happen.   Then when IO did even less (far less I think) than Parallels did, Frank and Joey flew the coup.    To tell you the truth, I thought Fates was completely done at that point....and in many ways, the original incarnation of Fates *was* done at that point.   APSOG was essentially Jim re-inventing himself under the FW moniker.    Not in a bad way, I'm glad he did.   APSOG and Disconnected are now my top 2 FW albums. 

All this is just to say that FW really did try hard to be a touring act up through Inside Out.  But when Joey and Frank left...it became a bit more of a Jim Matheos side-project...even if the music did improve dramatically.

J-Dude, thanks for posting all that. They definitely were a band that just could not get their break. Parallels is a great album, and it;s really too bad things didnt work out. Inetesting bit about the state of mind of the band while recording Inside Out. I love that album too. Saw them in a VERY small club in Providence on the Inside Out tour. I actually felt bad. Maybe 150 people there? I stood about 4 feet from Mark Zonder's drum set. You know who gained my respect that night? Ray Alder. That guy gave it his all in such a depressing place.

I guess my frustration comes after that point. That's when their output gets very haphazzard. The music has always been good, but the albums have come way too few and far between.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on October 28, 2014, 02:19:12 PM
This might sound weird, but I actually prefer seeing FW live than DT in recent years.  FW shows are just so intimate.  I love it.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TAC on October 28, 2014, 02:27:23 PM
This might sound weird, but I actually prefer seeing FW live than DT in recent years.  FW shows are just so intimate.  I love it.
An intimate show is always great. I remember going to arena shows in the 80's thinking that it will be awesome when bands like iron Maiden and Dio would not be as popular and would have to play smaller venues.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: goo-goo on October 28, 2014, 03:46:34 PM
I always thought Fates release output was all over the place, not consistent as DT.

But looking back at Paralles and Inside Out, those two albums are either too soft to be considered prog metal, but a bit on the heavy side and prog to be AOR or pop. Comparing it to DT, DT  went heavier and got tracking in the metal community. FW did not.

By the way, I love the band to death. Probably my favorite band aside from DT. And Jim M is my favorite musician...hands down (both lyrics and music, including OSI and his solo stuff).
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on October 28, 2014, 05:10:57 PM
Remember too that by the time of APSOG, Jim was involved in more side projects. Before that, everything had always only ever been fates.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on October 28, 2014, 06:58:21 PM
I think Fates just never had a real clear vision of where they were going, when compared to DT and their career.  It's hard to explain, but I know what I mean.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on October 28, 2014, 07:13:31 PM
Does anyone know if Jim has a day job?

During that 9 year hiatus, I often wondered how is this dude supporting himself, since OSI was here and there and it had been forever since FW released an album.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: goo-goo on October 28, 2014, 07:36:19 PM
I was googling for "Jim Matheos day job" and came across this:

http://www.fateswarning.com/Media/Interviews/2000/20000901.aspx

I never knew Still Remains was about the death of his father. That explains the mood of the song...Will have to revisit.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on October 28, 2014, 08:40:24 PM
That's a top 5 Fates song, maybe top 3.  Actually maybe higher.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nel on October 28, 2014, 10:39:05 PM
Both that and Something From Nothing would be in my Fates Warning top 10. Disconnected as a whole is just an awesome album, but those two are a fantastic one-two punch.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: ? on October 29, 2014, 04:04:09 AM
I always thought Fates release output was all over the place, not consistent as DT.
I think it's the other way round - Fates put out albums rarely and don't fill them up to the max like DT, which makes them much more consistent IMO.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on October 29, 2014, 05:18:47 AM
I always thought Fates release output was all over the place, not consistent as DT.
I think it's the other way round - Fates put out albums rarely and don't fill them up to the max like DT, which makes them much more consistent IMO.

How does this make them consistent?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TAC on October 29, 2014, 05:34:04 AM
I always thought Fates release output was all over the place, not consistent as DT.
I think it's the other way round - Fates put out albums rarely and don't fill them up to the max like DT, which makes them much more consistent IMO.

How does this make them consistent?

And I would say that Fates is anything BUT consistent.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on October 29, 2014, 05:43:05 AM
I always thought Fates release output was all over the place, not consistent as DT.
I think it's the other way round - Fates put out albums rarely and don't fill them up to the max like DT, which makes them much more consistent IMO.

How does this make them consistent?

I'd say Fates are far more consistent in quality than DT, who are just consistent with releasing material in a timely manner. But hey, that's just me.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on October 29, 2014, 05:46:31 AM
I always thought Fates release output was all over the place, not consistent as DT.
I think it's the other way round - Fates put out albums rarely and don't fill them up to the max like DT, which makes them much more consistent IMO.

How does this make them consistent?

And I would say that Fates is anything BUT consistent.

As much as I love them, I totally agree.  The only thing consistent with Fates is Parallels and Inside Out.  Oh and perhaps Spectre and Guardian.

I always thought Fates release output was all over the place, not consistent as DT.
I think it's the other way round - Fates put out albums rarely and don't fill them up to the max like DT, which makes them much more consistent IMO.

How does this make them consistent?

I'd say Fates are far more consistent in quality than DT, who are just consistent with releasing material in a timely manner. But hey, that's just me.

I have no opinion on this.  Both bands have put out mostly quality material.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: ? on October 29, 2014, 11:00:10 AM
I'd say Fates are far more consistent in quality than DT, who are just consistent with releasing material in a timely manner. But hey, that's just me.
Yeah, that's what I was saying.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: ? on November 01, 2014, 11:56:50 AM
Blabbermouth posted an article with a live video from last night: http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/fates-warning-video-footage-of-helmond-performance/

Ray sounds great! :tup No setlist hasn't been posted online yet, but Pale Fire is a cool addition. Too bad they're (still) not coming to Finland on this Euro tour, but I pray I'll get to see them one day... :lucien:
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on November 02, 2014, 04:04:07 AM
Who this dude filling in/replacing Frank?  He's pretty good.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on November 02, 2014, 09:52:14 AM
Who this dude filling in/replacing Frank?  He's pretty good.

Yeah, he's pretty insane. His name is Michael Abdow. He does a lot of instrumental work, I believe.

http://www.michaelabdow.com/

As much as I love Frank's work in FW, if he ends up leaving the band, I'd be fine with Abdow replacing him.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on November 02, 2014, 10:37:40 PM
I really love Frank, he's done some of my fav solos of all time, but he is pretty ordinary live and always has been.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on November 03, 2014, 10:24:17 AM
I really love Frank, he's done some of my fav solos of all time, but he is pretty ordinary live and always has been.

Not only are his solos amazing, but he's an incredible songwriter. It'd be a shame to lose him, but if he were to end up leaving the band, maybe he could still help contribute from time-to-time as a guest writer or soloist like Kevin?

It'd be interesting to see what Abdow might contribute to the band as a songwriter if he ends up being a permanent member...
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: ? on November 03, 2014, 11:38:24 AM
The new setlist looks pretty awesome: http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/fates-warning/2014/rockfabrik-nuremberg-germany-33cc185d.html
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on November 03, 2014, 11:42:38 AM
The new setlist looks pretty awesome: http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/fates-warning/2014/rockfabrik-nuremberg-germany-33cc185d.html

 :hefdaddy What I'd give to see them live with a setlist like this...
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on November 03, 2014, 11:53:00 AM
 This is the setlist I saw: http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/fates-warning/2012/hsbc-brasil-sao-paulo-brazil-2bde7426.html

 With Mike Portnoy on drums!!!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: abydos on November 03, 2014, 12:05:19 PM
I'd be seriously bummed out if they skip Still Remains for the show in 10 days.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on November 04, 2014, 04:10:09 AM
I really love Frank, he's done some of my fav solos of all time, but he is pretty ordinary live and always has been.

Not only are his solos amazing, but he's an incredible songwriter. It'd be a shame to lose him, but if he were to end up leaving the band, maybe he could still help contribute from time-to-time as a guest writer or soloist like Kevin?

It'd be interesting to see what Abdow might contribute to the band as a songwriter if he ends up being a permanent member...

I'd be happy for Frank to just do songwriting and studio work with the band, because he obviously isn't overly keen on long touring.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on November 04, 2014, 04:11:10 AM
The new setlist looks pretty awesome: http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/fates-warning/2014/rockfabrik-nuremberg-germany-33cc185d.html

 :hefdaddy What I'd give to see them live with a setlist like this...

Yeah, this is a pretty stellar set.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on November 04, 2014, 07:55:37 AM
I'd be happy for Frank to just do songwriting and studio work with the band, because he obviously isn't overly keen on long touring.

I'm not sure if the issue is that he doesn't want to tour or not. According to Ray, Frank got married last year and started a new job. It could be that he'd love to tour again, he's just insanely busy. Either way, I'd prefer for that to not get in the way of another FW album coming out anytime soon.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: bosk1 on November 04, 2014, 08:48:19 AM
I talked to Frank briefly at the DT show earlier this year.  It was a casual conversation, and I did not get into any of that stuff.  But I can say that he and his wife relocated to a different part of the country and started new jobs, so that indeed is very likely to play into it.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Dr. DTVT on November 04, 2014, 08:49:36 AM
DAT SETLIST.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: goo-goo on November 04, 2014, 09:05:12 AM
DAT SETLIST.

Hopefully a DVD comes out of this tour. Amazing setlist...Wish is in it!!

IIRC, Frank got a job at D'DArio strings as an A&R Manager.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on November 04, 2014, 10:21:00 AM
I have a weird Frank story.  I met him briefly at an Armored Saint show on Long Island in 2011.  He did mention that he works for D'Addario Strings and was living on Long Island at the time.  Anyway, the VERY NEXT MORNING I'm on my way to work and I stop at a red light about a mile from my job.  A car pulls up next to me at the red light.  It was Frank.  I couldn't believe it.  What are the odds?  I was tempted to beep, but I didn't want him to think I was stalking him or something.  It was just so ironic.  A few blocks later he pulled into a "School of Rock." 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TAC on November 04, 2014, 10:55:04 AM
  I was tempted to beep, but I didn't want him to think I was stalking him or something. 
You? Stalking? Nah! :lol
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on November 04, 2014, 02:45:10 PM
DAT SETLIST.

Hopefully a DVD comes out of this tour. Amazing setlist...Wish is in it!!

IIRC, Frank got a job at D'DArio strings as an A&R Manager.

Fair enough, good job.  I guess perhaps maybe he does want to tour, but it wouldn't support his family like this day job would.  Completely understand why he puts off touring then.

Would just like to say that the Life in Still Water tab is still one of the most difficult solos to play of all time.  Just the techniques Frank uses in this is practically impossible to pull off in real time.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: PowerSlave on November 05, 2014, 12:59:29 AM

Would just like to say that the Life in Still Water tab is still one of the most difficult solos to play of all time.  Just the techniques Frank uses in this is practically impossible to pull off in real time.

I've never tried to learn any of his solos, but every time I've seen him play his approach looked very unique. I'm not surprised to hear someone say this. He's such an awesome and under rated player.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Tomislav95 on November 05, 2014, 02:24:47 AM
Great setlist... but I liked previous one bit more :/
They are coming to capital in 6 days (where I'm on university) so venue is about 20-30 minutes from me. I'm still not sure should I go because I have many things to do. But it's only one evening :D and fact they are playing in small club attract me :P
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on November 05, 2014, 04:37:06 AM

Would just like to say that the Life in Still Water tab is still one of the most difficult solos to play of all time.  Just the techniques Frank uses in this is practically impossible to pull off in real time.

I've never tried to learn any of his solos, but every time I've seen him play his approach looked very unique. I'm not surprised to hear someone say this. He's such an awesome and under rated player.

Yes, he is very, very underrated.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 14, 2014, 04:14:25 AM
I saw them two days ago and it was amazing, definitely the best show I've seen this year (Iced Earth, Amorphis and Iron Maiden were all okay but didn't make me even half as emotional). I also met Mladen, and he can tell you they earned his sympathies even though he hasn't listened to them a lot before :)

We got a second encore, and Ray in particular was pretty touched by the audience. People from my friend group made a nice sign for Bernie and we held it up during Wish and We Only Say Goodbye:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10525783_10204685632076964_1368564978706067020_n.jpg?oh=caf6889c5f7bd36598b027c5edd65632&oe=54E0DE83&__gda__=1423385302_7de85513d5f3694803342ce90e7652e5)
this is Fates with the sign and the Serbian opening band, Asymmetry. They had a great concept EP two years ago and should publish something new soon, they're a sort of a dark prog band with shorter songs in vein of Evergrey and FW, so I heartily recommend them: asymmetry-band.bandcamp.com
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mladen on November 14, 2014, 04:23:15 AM
It's been a while since the last time I went to see a band that I'm really not that familiar with. But they definitely impressed me, I'll most likely know the stuff next time they come - and they definitely should, since the audience kicked ass as well.  :metal It was great meeting Milena, we had a good time.  :-*
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: abydos on November 15, 2014, 04:09:36 AM
Just saw them live a couple of days ago. It was great. Very energetic show and the setlist was awesome too.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Tomislav95 on November 17, 2014, 05:47:30 AM
I saw them last week, too and they were amazing. Great thing was venue was so small they were walking through audience to the stage. And also, before the show Bobby was walking through club and I was like WTF, is that really him? And he smiled to me as I was peering t him :blush
Setlist was great, sound was also ok and performance was amazing. 10/10 would see again.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Cyclopssss on November 17, 2014, 11:09:12 AM
Second (?) encore, final night of the european tour in Athens:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oio1gZZEJKU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oio1gZZEJKU)
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Deathless on December 24, 2014, 06:50:35 AM
Whoa, Fates Warning's "Awaken the Guardian" lineup will be re-uniting for a one-off show in 2016, per Blabbermouth. (http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/fates-warnings-awaken-the-guardian-lineup-to-headline-2016-edition-of-keep-it-true-festival/)

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American progressive power metal legends FATES WARNING will celebrate the 30th anniversary of their "Awaken The Guardian" album with an exclusive headlining live appearance at the 2016 edition of the Keep It True festival, set to take place in April 2016 in Lauda-Konigshofen, Germany. The band — in its original "Awaken The Guardian" lineup, featuring John Arch (vocals), Jim Matheos (guitar), Frank Aresti (guitar), Joe DiBiase (bass) and Steve Zimmerman (drums) — will play the complete LP, as well as other songs from the Arch era of FATES WARNING. This will be an exclusive European show and the first time FATES WARNING will perform an old-school set with Arch on vocals.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on December 24, 2014, 06:57:59 AM
I need that emoticon that runs around in circles with its hands in the air....

The biggest shocker for me here is Zimmerman.   I don't even think he played the one-off shows in Connecticut several years ago, did he?   Maybe I'm wrong. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mindflux on December 24, 2014, 09:35:43 AM
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Original Awaken The Guardian lineup featuring John Arch (vocals), Jim Matheos (guitar), Frank Aresti (guitar), Joe DiBiase (bass) and Steve Zimmerman (drums) playing the complete AtG album plus selected songs from the Arch era!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: SoundscapeMN on December 24, 2014, 10:20:43 AM
I need that emoticon that runs around in circles with its hands in the air....

The biggest shocker for me here is Zimmerman.   I don't even think he played the one-off shows in Connecticut several years ago, did he?   Maybe I'm wrong.

yeah Zimmerman is the big surprise. What has he done post No Exit?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on December 24, 2014, 10:26:33 AM
All the cool shit always ends up in Europe  :sadpanda:
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on December 24, 2014, 02:41:30 PM
Very interesting news! A wonder if it will actually just be a one time event
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on December 24, 2014, 08:53:02 PM
Wow, Ray must be super pissed.  This could lead into something.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on December 24, 2014, 10:05:31 PM
Wow, Ray must be super pissed.  This could lead into something.

I *really* doubt this.  John, Joey and Steve all went back to their day jobs years ago.   I'm thinking that this will take extra rehearsals just to get in shape.

When I recently interviewed a retired local drummer about a possible reunion, he said it wasn't really a matter of remembering the parts as it was being out of shape from not playing a full set in so long...he said that process alone takes over a month.   Drummers easily have the most physically demanding job of the entire band.   I'm wondering how long it's been since Steve *really* sat down to play a set.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on December 24, 2014, 10:26:31 PM
Yeah, I guess you're right.  Just first Arch/Mateos and now this.  It looks like Jim and John are enjoying working together again, which is great.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: abydos on December 24, 2014, 11:11:34 PM
Ray is more than fine with this, it wouldn't be the first time he's either stepped out or shared the stage with John.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on December 25, 2014, 06:33:23 PM
Arch/Matheos should have just been labeled as a FW album.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on January 02, 2015, 01:22:09 PM
I hope they do something similar with A Pleasant Shade of Gray in 2017 to celebrate the 20th anniversary.  I know during a meet and greet in 2013, Ray said they were hoping to play APSOG in its entirety again in the near future with that album's lineup -- including an invite to Kevin Moore.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: abydos on January 02, 2015, 01:47:22 PM
Oh, imagine the youtube bitching that will follow when Kevin just walks on stage, plays his parts and walks out as if the audience isn't there at all. It's going to be hilarious.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on January 16, 2015, 03:11:23 AM
Does anybody know if Iron Maiden's song Fate's warning from 1990 has anything to do with the band Fate's warning. I've always been curious about this.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on January 16, 2015, 04:35:04 AM
Does anybody know if Iron Maiden's song Fate's warning from 1990 has anything to do with the band Fate's warning. I've always been curious about this.

No, the lyrics have no relation to the band.  But even though, I'm sure the band name must have had something to do with the song title, even just the band thinking it was a good name for the song regarding the subject matter.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on February 13, 2015, 12:47:18 PM
Just saw this on Facebook:

(http://s30.postimg.org/mqioi9cqp/fwgray1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on February 13, 2015, 01:30:20 PM
haha, nice.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: ? on February 13, 2015, 01:51:54 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nick on February 13, 2015, 10:59:06 PM
Hah, stealing.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on February 13, 2015, 11:02:01 PM
[slow clap]
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: kirksnosehair on February 15, 2015, 06:46:48 AM
I'm not sure why, it could just be me and probably is, but every album this band releases strikes me as "pretty good" upon the first couple of listens, then I usually put them down for quite a long time (several weeks or longer) and when I come back to them later they BLOW.MY.MIND  :hefdaddy


Matheos is just....amazing.  His riffs and playing are always interesting.


I wish Ray would quit smoking  :facepalm:


Anyway, spun this one yesterday start to finish while shoveling snow.  Great album.  :hat
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on February 20, 2015, 05:36:57 PM
I just made a pretty neat discovery that kinda links FWX to Darkness in a Different Light. I was listening earlier to "Wish," the closing track to 2004's FWX. One of that song's final lines is: "May you never know this darkness, may you always see the light." The new album is called Darkness in a Different Light.  Its just a little word theme link between the albums and it also shows how the way jim views dark moments in life might have evolved between albums.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: PowerSlave on February 21, 2015, 12:33:39 AM
Kind of an off-topic question, but has anyone heard any news about Bernie lately?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on February 22, 2015, 03:40:09 AM
Kind of an off-topic question, but has anyone heard any news about Bernie lately?

I was wondering the same thing actually.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 25, 2015, 07:35:00 PM
Just bought Parallels used for 5.99. Gonna listen to it...soon.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Dr. DTVT on February 25, 2015, 09:31:02 PM
Just bought Parallels used for 5.99. Gonna listen to it...soon.

That's robbery.  I think part of it is my first FW a album bias, but its still my favorite Fates album.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on February 25, 2015, 10:03:05 PM
For SO MANY people that was their first FW album....and it's so weird.   Because my first exposure to FW was The Apparition from "The Best of Metal Blade Vol 1" which prompted me to immediately buy the (then) fairly new The Spectre Within.   

I'll never forget being absolutely FLOORED by AtG when I first heard it.   Then being totally bummed when I heard that Arch was leaving...but how amazed I was when I heard Alder for the first time.     Perfect Symmetry really threw me when I first heard it....but I had a four song demo cassette to ease myself into it.   It eventually became my favorite FW album.

I say all of this to give you an idea of why I was so let down by Parallels.    One of my favorite *METAL* bands had already successfully morphed into Rush territory without "jumping the shark", but after being a huge fan of their metal years for the previous six years straight...Parallels was just a bit too much on the commercial side for me.    I grew to love it more as time went on.  (I *always* loved LiSW and TEH)   But the singles from the album always felt a bit too radio friendly to my ears.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Prog Snob on February 25, 2015, 10:04:19 PM
Just bought Parallels used for 5.99. Gonna listen to it...soon.

It's still my favorite.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 25, 2015, 10:26:22 PM
It's actually my 4th Fates Warning album. I enjoyed it, I already heard Life In Still Water, The Eleventh Hour, Point of View.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on February 26, 2015, 12:33:39 PM
Just bought Parallels used for 5.99. Gonna listen to it...soon.

It's still my favorite.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TAC on February 26, 2015, 02:39:35 PM
Just bought Parallels used for 5.99. Gonna listen to it...soon.

It's still my favorite.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on February 26, 2015, 03:39:15 PM
Just bought Parallels used for 5.99. Gonna listen to it...soon.

It's still my favorite.

This.

I'll go one better.  I had the original version on cd, and then I purchased the 2CD/DVD or whatever it was when it came out a couple of years ago.  About a year after that was released I saw the same new version in the clearance bin for $4.99 Australian dollars, brand new!  I picked it up again just out of principal and I was pissed that they had no idea what they were putting in the throw out bin.  I have three copies now.  :lol
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 26, 2015, 03:44:55 PM
I got the original cd. Its not even scratched at all, just a few fingerprints which are easy to remove.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 26, 2015, 03:50:49 PM
Road goes on forever  :heart
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on February 26, 2015, 03:56:24 PM
I got the original cd. Its not even scratched at all, just a few fingerprints which are easy to remove.

That's still an amazing price for this quality album.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: bl5150 on February 26, 2015, 04:06:21 PM
I picked it up again just out of principal and I was pissed that they had no idea what they were putting in the throw out bin.  I have three copies now.  :lol

 :lol :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on February 27, 2015, 01:53:55 AM
I picked it up again just out of principal and I was pissed that they had no idea what they were putting in the throw out bin.  I have three copies now.  :lol

 :lol :hefdaddy

That's dedication to metal!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Prog Snob on February 27, 2015, 02:06:07 AM
I picked it up again just out of principal and I was pissed that they had no idea what they were putting in the throw out bin.  I have three copies now.  :lol

 :lol :hefdaddy

That's dedication to metal!

 :metal

It's just that good of a CD.  It's funny because if you ask me what my favorite Fates Warning CD, I say Parallels without even blinking.  Ask me what my second favorite CD is.  I have no idea.  I feel like it doesn't matter because Parallels is what hooked me on them. Everything else could have sucked and Parallels would still have its brilliance. Luckily, everything else is pretty good too.  To pick a second favorite CD though, I'd have to sit and think about it.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: bl5150 on February 27, 2015, 03:09:22 AM
Parallels is the only FW album that I really "know" properly off the top of my head and could immediately name fave tracks etc..........I have all the rest and know that overall I much prefer the Alder stuff , but Parallels is where it's at for me  . 

If I was pushed to add to that......then the albums either side of it.

PS   Zonder's drumming on APSOG stands out in my mind too .
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Prog Snob on February 27, 2015, 03:15:49 AM

PS   Zonder's drumming on APSOG stands out in my mind too .

He's an extremely underrated drummer. I love watching him play. His technique is so different from what I'm used to seeing.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on February 27, 2015, 04:22:58 AM
I picked it up again just out of principal and I was pissed that they had no idea what they were putting in the throw out bin.  I have three copies now.  :lol

 :lol :hefdaddy

That's dedication to metal!

This was during a time when my cd buying was out of control.  Thankfully I see these days how stupid doing things like this is.  This certainly wasn't the firt time I've purchased multiple copies of something. :lol  Luckilly, I grew up a bit.

In hindsight, by buying the cheap copy I'm robbing some random punter in hearing the album as it would have more of a chance selling to someone just cause of the price, but a few years ago, I didn't think this way at all. 



PS   Zonder's drumming on APSOG stands out in my mind too .

He's an extremely underrated drummer. I love watching him play. His technique is so different from what I'm used to seeing.

I love Zonder's playing, so underrated.  If not one of the most underrated drummers.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Prog Snob on February 27, 2015, 04:47:24 AM
I remember at one of the APSOG shows I went to that I he had this unique style.  I actually wound up focusing more on him than the guitars for most of the night, which is unusual for me. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on March 01, 2015, 05:31:21 PM
I picked it up again just out of principal and I was pissed that they had no idea what they were putting in the throw out bin.  I have three copies now.  :lol

 :lol :hefdaddy

That's dedication to metal!

 :metal

It's just that good of a CD.  It's funny because if you ask me what my favorite Fates Warning CD, I say Parallels without even blinking.  Ask me what my second favorite CD is.  I have no idea.  I feel like it doesn't matter because Parallels is what hooked me on them. Everything else could have sucked and Parallels would still have its brilliance. Luckily, everything else is pretty good too.  To pick a second favorite CD though, I'd have to sit and think about it.

It's odd. I like Parallels, but I actually see it as the first big drop-off in quality from the band following the string of quality albums of Awaken the Guardian all the way up to Perfect Symmetry. It's just 'great' to me, instead of being a flat-out masterpiece like what had immediately preceded it and what the band would do later with APSOG and Disconnected.

That said, with that perspective in mind, I can totally relate to it being really difficult to pick a favorite Fates Warning album once Parallels is out of the equation.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Deathless on March 11, 2015, 07:56:48 PM
Just a few dates have been officially posted, but it looks like FW will be doing a U.S. tour in the fall!

Current shows listed:

October 09 - Hartford, CT @ Webster Theater
October 10 - Worcester, MA @ Palladium
October 11 - Poughkeepsie, NY @ The Chance
October 23 - Dallas, TX @ Trees
October 24 - Houston, TX @ Scout Bar
October 25 - San Antonio, TX @ 210 Kapone's Live

 :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: ? on March 12, 2015, 03:57:18 AM
In other news, the voice of Siri apparently likes Fates:
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Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Prog Snob on March 12, 2015, 04:13:58 AM
Just a few dates have been officially posted, but it looks like FW will be doing a U.S. tour in the fall!

Current shows listed:

October 09 - Hartford, CT @ Webster Theater
October 10 - Worcester, MA @ Palladium
October 11 - Poughkeepsie, NY @ The Chance
October 23 - Dallas, TX @ Trees
October 24 - Houston, TX @ Scout Bar
October 25 - San Antonio, TX @ 210 Kapone's Live

 :metal

Hoping for something a little closer than Poughkeepsie.   :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: LudwigVan on March 16, 2015, 05:45:20 PM

PS   Zonder's drumming on APSOG stands out in my mind too .

He's an extremely underrated drummer. I love watching him play. His technique is so different from what I'm used to seeing.

I love Zonder's playing, so underrated.  If not one of the most underrated drummers.
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Mark Zonder's style is unusual to say the least. I love it, but I can see how his technique can be off-putting to some. When he joined the band with Perfect Symmetry, it signalled a move to a more ambient 'Pink Floyd-ian' sound that has stayed with them ever since.

If ever there was a metal band that celebrated a minimalistic approach, it would be Fates Warning. There's a sonic space that this band occupies that's maddeningly difficult to put a finger on. From Zonder's drumming to Alder's tone, it's almost as if Fates Warning occupies those spaces in-between...all the musical gray areas so to speak (pun intended).
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: bosk1 on March 16, 2015, 05:54:29 PM
"Siri, what is your opinion on--"
"My opinion is just a point of view, and your position is the other side."
"..."
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: sfam2112 on March 16, 2015, 06:10:58 PM
"Siri, what is your opinion on--"
"My opinion is just a point of view, and your position is the other side."
"..."

...I love you

 :rollin

Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TAC on March 16, 2015, 06:40:09 PM


Mark Zonder's style is unusual to say the least. I love it, but I can see how his technique can be off-putting to some. When he joined the band with Perfect Symmetry, it signalled a move to a more ambient 'Pink Floyd-ian' sound that has stayed with them ever since.

If ever there was a metal band that celebrated a minimalistic approach, it would be Fates Warning. There's a sonic space that this band occupies that's maddeningly difficult to put a finger on. From Zonder's drumming to Alder's tone, it's almost as if Fates Warning occupies those spaces in-between...all the musical gray areas so to speak (pun intended).
Wow, now that is some prog mumbo jumbo! :lol

The Floydian influence though would not show up until APSOG. They still had to get through Paralells and Inside Out, which I still maintain are their two best and most focused albums.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: LudwigVan on March 16, 2015, 06:49:44 PM


Mark Zonder's style is unusual to say the least. I love it, but I can see how his technique can be off-putting to some. When he joined the band with Perfect Symmetry, it signalled a move to a more ambient 'Pink Floyd-ian' sound that has stayed with them ever since.

If ever there was a metal band that celebrated a minimalistic approach, it would be Fates Warning. There's a sonic space that this band occupies that's maddeningly difficult to put a finger on. From Zonder's drumming to Alder's tone, it's almost as if Fates Warning occupies those spaces in-between...all the musical gray areas so to speak (pun intended).
Wow, now that is some prog mumbo jumbo! :lol

The Floydian influence though would not show up until APSOG. They still had to get through Paralells and Inside Out, which I still maintain are their two best and most focused albums.

Prog and mumbo jumbo go hand in hand dontchaknow. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on March 16, 2015, 07:30:57 PM
As much as APSOG floored me, Disconnected is pure perfect to me.   And for exactly LudwigVan stated.    Something From Nothing is a grower, but it is now easily in my top five from their entire catalog.   The entire ambient section just floors me every time.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on March 17, 2015, 05:31:07 AM
I love Disconnected.  I didn't when I first heard it, the whole thing is a big grower, but it would be top 3 for me.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on March 17, 2015, 05:31:20 PM
Disconnected is a big time grower.  Its awesome!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 17, 2015, 05:34:09 PM
Seeing still remains live was one of my favorite concert experiences ever. And being directly in front of jim made it even better.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: ? on March 17, 2015, 11:36:20 PM
Disconnected is my favorite as well. :metal
"Siri, what is your opinion on--"
"My opinion is just a point of view, and your position is the other side."
"..."
:clap:
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on April 01, 2015, 10:52:00 AM
Updated tour dates!

Oct. 09    The Webster Theater (Hartford, Connecticut)
Oct. 10    The Palladium (Worcester, Massachusetts)
Oct. 11    The Chance Theater (Poughkeepsie, New York)          
Oct. 13     St. Vitus (Brooklyn, New York)
Oct. 14    Club Revolution (Amityville, New York)          
Oct. 16    Token Lounge (Detroit, Michigan)          
Oct. 17    Reggie's (Chicago, Illinois)
Oct. 18    Agora Theater (Cleveland, Ohio)          
Oct. 23    Trees (Dallas, Texas)         
Oct. 24    Scout Bar (Houston, Texas)         
Oct. 25    Kapone's Live (San Antonio, Texas)
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Deathless on April 01, 2015, 07:46:55 PM
As a quick aside, Joey Vera and John Bush were on Eddie Trunk's radio show last week talking about new Armored Saint.

Eddie did ask Joey about FW, and he said the band is currently in a "writing phase" as we speak. Just an interesting nugget! :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: PowerSlave on April 02, 2015, 01:06:51 AM
As a quick aside, Joey Vera and John Bush were on Eddie Trunk's radio show last week talking about new Armored Saint.

Eddie did ask Joey about FW, and he said the band is currently in a "writing phase" as we speak. Just an interesting nugget! :metal

That's awesome news! I'm surprised that they would be working on a new album already, but you'll get no complaints from me.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: bl5150 on April 02, 2015, 01:42:22 AM
Look forward to it - and the Armored Saint even a bit more tbh.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Prog Snob on April 02, 2015, 01:45:24 AM
Updated tour dates!

Oct. 09    The Webster Theater (Hartford, Connecticut)
Oct. 10    The Palladium (Worcester, Massachusetts)
Oct. 11    The Chance Theater (Poughkeepsie, New York)          
Oct. 13     St. Vitus (Brooklyn, New York)
Oct. 14    Club Revolution (Amityville, New York)          
Oct. 16    Token Lounge (Detroit, Michigan)          
Oct. 17    Reggie's (Chicago, Illinois)
Oct. 18    Agora Theater (Cleveland, Ohio)          
Oct. 23    Trees (Dallas, Texas)         
Oct. 24    Scout Bar (Houston, Texas)         
Oct. 25    Kapone's Live (San Antonio, Texas)

Brooklyn...excellent!!    :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TAC on April 02, 2015, 06:07:56 AM
Look forward to it - and the Armored Saint even a bit more tbh.
The Armored Saint cannot come soon enough!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on April 02, 2015, 12:10:10 PM
Look forward to it - and the Armored Saint even a bit more tbh.
The Armored Saint cannot come soon enough!

Should be great!!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on April 02, 2015, 12:26:10 PM
Was there any mention of VIP tickets yet?  I don't recall seeing anything.  I thought the $50 value was great for what we got last tour on the meet and greets -- sound check, photos, lots of time to talk to the band, etc.  Good stuff.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: carl320 on April 03, 2015, 07:21:35 PM
Just found out about the Chicago Reggies show.  Looking forward to getting my ticket  :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on April 18, 2015, 09:32:17 AM
When I was looking at their current tour dates, there was a banner at the bottom announcing an exclusive European show coming in 2016 with the original Awaken the Guardian lineup playing AtG *IN ITS ENTIRETY* along with other Arch-era material!!

No date or venue yet...just "coming in 2016".

:panicattack:
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 18, 2015, 10:31:53 AM
That would be badass.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: rivulet on July 09, 2015, 09:40:43 PM
Parallels is a well produced album, and one of the best albums of the 1990s. The Eleventh Hour is the jewel of this album. Monument is a piece de resistance, but overall Inside Out defers greatness to albums like Disconnected and Awaken The Guardian (and A Pleasant Shade of Gray, which gets better after each listen).  Nonetheless, the Parallels / Inside Out combo is miles above the combo that the great Iron Maiden released in the same time period.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Cyclopssss on July 27, 2015, 10:26:28 AM
Pleasant Shade Of Gray Deluxe edition!

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/fates-warning-deluxe-reissue-of-a-pleasant-shade-of-gray-to-be-made-available-in-october/ (http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/fates-warning-deluxe-reissue-of-a-pleasant-shade-of-gray-to-be-made-available-in-october/)
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TAC on July 27, 2015, 11:48:54 AM
Sounds like a great package. The DVD may entice me to get this.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mindflux on July 27, 2015, 11:52:43 AM
Any word on Frank touring this time?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: SoundscapeMN on July 27, 2015, 12:38:48 PM
that's cool and all, and I'll likely be picking it up as I'll admit to be a huge fanboy, but I gotta believe I'm not the only one wondering if a VINYL edition could come out for an anniversary/deluxe, etc. Maybe for the 20th anniversary in 2017?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on July 27, 2015, 12:46:20 PM
I'm very much hoping that this reissue means a tour in 2016 in which the band plays APSOG in its entirety start to finish.  I seem to recall Jim mentioning in previous interviews that he'd like to do that at some point.  And Ray mentioned at a meet and greet in 2013 that the band had their eye on doing it.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: goo-goo on July 27, 2015, 12:52:53 PM
Any word on Frank touring this time?

Yes. Frank is NOT touring this time around. It's Michael Abdow taking his place.

Great news on the APSOG reissue. Can't wait to get it.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on July 27, 2015, 02:46:45 PM
Looks like an amazing package.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mindflux on July 27, 2015, 02:47:55 PM
Any word on Frank touring this time?

Yes. Frank is NOT touring this time around. It's Michael Abdow taking his place.

Great news on the APSOG reissue. Can't wait to get it.

Yeah that's why I skipped last round (2014/2015).. to me without the Jim/Frank chemistry I'm just not sure I want to go.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on July 27, 2015, 03:03:27 PM
very cool!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: PowerSlave on July 27, 2015, 04:08:29 PM
Any word on Frank touring this time?

Yes. Frank is NOT touring this time around. It's Michael Abdow taking his place.

Great news on the APSOG reissue. Can't wait to get it.

Yeah that's why I skipped last round (2014/2015).. to me without the Jim/Frank chemistry I'm just not sure I want to go.

I seen them in Cleveland on the last tour. MA did a very good job playing Frank's stuff. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised if you decided to give it a go.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on July 27, 2015, 04:51:37 PM
Looks like an amazing package.

(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r47/jammindude/thats-what-she-said-o_zpsvwd84jq3.gif~original)
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on July 28, 2015, 05:17:36 AM
 :rollin The comment was totally unintentional.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: ? on July 28, 2015, 05:49:53 AM
I'd buy that reissue in a heartbeat if I didn't have the album already... :o
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on July 28, 2015, 08:23:33 AM
I'm wondering if the autographed editions of APSOG being signed by the current lineup or the lineup that appeared on the album featuring Zonder and Moore?  I posted the question on FW's Facebook thread about the reissue, but I haven't heard back yet.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: MoraWintersoul on August 01, 2015, 05:52:25 PM
And Ray mentioned at a meet and greet in 2013 that the band had their eye on doing it.
Mike, when Ray talked about that, did he really mention inviting Kevin Moore by name or "the original album's lineup" verbatim? I'm really interested, obviously I would die to see it.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on August 03, 2015, 08:10:40 AM
He did say that they'd invite Kevin, but he added that you never know what Kevin is up to -- so they'd have to see how it played out. :)
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: MoraWintersoul on August 03, 2015, 02:09:09 PM
Imagine that lineup. Like, fuck, ZONDER, MAN :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Bacong on August 05, 2015, 08:06:45 AM
my roommate/best friend Tony's band Imminent Sonic Destruction is the support for the east coast portion of FW's tour. You guys should check them out, I'd assume you'll like them

http://imminentsonicdestruction.bandcamp.com/album/recurring-themes

they've got a new record coming out this year, too.

if anyone wants to meet me I'll be at the October 16th show :P
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: JRundquist on August 13, 2015, 05:59:04 PM
I did a short, but sweet interview with Jim Matheos today:

http://www.thatdrummerguy.com/blog/that-drummer-guy-interviews-jim-matheos-fates-warning-osi-archmatheos (http://www.thatdrummerguy.com/blog/that-drummer-guy-interviews-jim-matheos-fates-warning-osi-archmatheos)
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: goo-goo on August 13, 2015, 06:22:44 PM
Thanks for the interview! Great read!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: JRundquist on August 13, 2015, 08:55:14 PM
Thanks for the interview! Great read!

THanks!  :tup
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: ? on August 14, 2015, 06:43:12 AM
Thanks for the good intie! :tup Too bad there are no plans for OSI at the moment, but it's great to hear he'd love to make another record.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on August 14, 2015, 04:02:31 PM
Thanks for the interview! Great read!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 14, 2015, 04:27:32 PM
Great interview. 

Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: LudwigVan on August 15, 2015, 12:55:36 AM
Well, I'd shoot a load if FW ever did an album with both Ray Alder and John Arch. For that matter, I'd shoot one if they just did another Arch\Matheos album. Sympathetic Resonance was so f*cken good.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: SoundscapeMN on August 15, 2015, 09:25:56 AM
I believe Arch / Matheos are looking to make more music:

edit: just re-reading my write-up from a few years ago
http://allmediareviews.blogspot.com/2011/09/archmatheos-sympathetic-resonance-track.html
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on August 15, 2015, 03:14:35 PM
A FW album with both Alder and Arch would be spectacular
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: sfam2112 on August 15, 2015, 10:09:25 PM
I hope they film a DVD for this tour, at some point. The songs they've been bringing back as well as the new songs would be nice to have documented.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: JRundquist on August 16, 2015, 12:33:45 AM
Glad you guys dig the interview!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: MoraWintersoul on August 16, 2015, 04:44:02 PM
So no side-stuff any time soon. Oh well.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on August 18, 2015, 08:46:03 AM
Great interview, JRundquist!  I enjoyed that.  And good questions about Kevin too!

On a separate note, I still had no luck getting an answer to this question:

I'm wondering if the autographed editions of APSOG being signed by the current lineup or the lineup that appeared on the album featuring Zonder and Moore?  I posted the question on FW's Facebook thread about the reissue, but I haven't heard back yet.

I e-mailed Metal Blade and posted on FW, Matheos and Brian Slagel's FB threads about this APSOG re-issue -- and no one replied!  To me, it doesn't make sense to have Mike Abdow and Bobby Z sign the re-issues if they had nothing to do with APSOG.  It would be cool to have Zonder and Moore sign them.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mindflux on September 04, 2015, 11:21:41 AM
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0144R8FM4?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=od_aui_detailpages00

APSOG expanded edition up on Amazon for preorder.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: carl320 on September 07, 2015, 07:13:52 PM
Listening to APSOG tonight (after listening to Parallels).  Looking forward to them coming back through Chicago in October.

And it doesn't fail.  Every time I listen to part 6, it moves me, almost like Rush's The Analog Kid.

I love Fates Warning.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on September 18, 2015, 01:50:03 PM
Just got my VIP ticket for the Amityville, NY, show.  Woo-hoo!  Just realized the Brooklyn show the night before might conflict with MLB baseball playoffs!  I'm a Mets fan, and it says the NLDS games are the same night.  The Mets never make the playoffs, so they're appearance might cost me a FW show. :/
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: abydos on September 18, 2015, 02:54:50 PM
FW > sports. And if you make the right decision, try to sneak in an OSI question or two for us :p
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on September 18, 2015, 04:47:19 PM
Just got my VIP ticket for the Amityville, NY, show.  Woo-hoo!  Just realized the Brooklyn show the night before might conflict with MLB baseball playoffs!  I'm a Mets fan, and it says the NLDS games are the same night.  The Mets never make the playoffs, so they're appearance might cost me a FW show. :/

I can't believe that.  You are one of the biggest FW fans I've ever seen, you can't miss a show!  PVR!!!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 18, 2015, 05:22:18 PM
FW > sports.

This
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Deathless on September 20, 2015, 02:53:49 PM
Some cool news, according to Bobby J a new FW album will be released next year. He said the material is already all written.

From this interview with Rikki Rachtman on Bravewords (http://bravewords.com/news/riki-rachtman-says-theres-no-chance-of-headbangers-ball-being-resurrected) (not sure why the Bobby part was included):

Quote
"We are working on a new record (Fates Warning), it’s going to be in 2016 and it’s going to be really cool. All the material is written.”
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 20, 2015, 06:29:52 PM
Good

I don't feel like waiting 8 years again
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on September 21, 2015, 03:31:23 PM
Good

I don't feel like waiting 8 years again
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on September 21, 2015, 03:33:45 PM
Hope Frank is back on lead guitar.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: goo-goo on September 21, 2015, 06:52:03 PM
Hope Frank is back on lead guitar.

Not for the tour. Possibly for the studio work. Has not been confirmed.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on September 22, 2015, 05:30:05 AM
Hope Frank is back on lead guitar.

Not for the tour. Possibly for the studio work. Has not been confirmed.

I meant for the album.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: ? on September 22, 2015, 06:34:11 AM
FW > sports. And if you make the right decision, try to sneak in an OSI question or two for us :p
This.
Some cool news, according to Bobby J a new FW album will be released next year. He said the material is already all written.
:2metal:
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: goo-goo on September 26, 2015, 07:05:36 PM
So I got VIP tickets for the San Antonio show.

I was wondering, what CDs should I take to sign? I was planning:

-FW - Darkness
-Chinese Firedrill - Joey Vera
-Both Engine cds - Ray
-Arch Matheos - since I have the metal blade signed booklet with arch and matheos' sig, I was planning to get Vera and Jarzombek.
-Three Jim's solo cds

Seems like an overkill....what do you guys think?

Edit: I also have all Redemption and OSI albums
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on September 28, 2015, 02:40:00 PM
Fates Warning just answered my question on Facebook from two months ago regarding which FW lineup is signing the APSOG re-issues:

"Here's an answer straight from Jim: Ray, Mark, Joey and I have signed them all. Of course if anyone wants Mike and/or Bobby to sign them as well they'll be more than glad to at the meet and greet."
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mindflux on September 28, 2015, 03:13:58 PM
So I got VIP tickets for the San Antonio show.


Man I'd love to go to that.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: goo-goo on September 28, 2015, 03:35:31 PM
Fates Warning just answered my question on Facebook from two months ago regarding which FW lineup is signing the APSOG re-issues:

"Here's an answer straight from Jim: Ray, Mark, Joey and I have signed them all. Of course if anyone wants Mike and/or Bobby to sign them as well they'll be more than glad to at the meet and greet."

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeettttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Glad Mark accepted to sign on them.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: goo-goo on September 28, 2015, 03:35:53 PM
So I got VIP tickets for the San Antonio show.


Man I'd love to go to that.

There's still VIP tix available.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mindflux on September 29, 2015, 02:03:22 PM
So I got VIP tickets for the San Antonio show.


Man I'd love to go to that.

There's still VIP tix available.

I'm not so concerned with the VIP, just the show.  I like FW enough and if it was in Austin it would be a no brainer.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on September 29, 2015, 02:03:36 PM
Looks like Chris Collins's band Winterspell is one of the bands opening for FW at the Palladium in Worcester, Massachusetts.  Collins is the original singer for DT (Majesty era).  Not sure if Winterspell is opening other shows.  Would be cool to see him live finally.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mindflux on September 29, 2015, 02:07:17 PM
Looks like Chris Collins's band Winterspell is one of the bands opening for FW at the Palladium in Worcester, Massachusetts.  Collins is the original singer for DT (Majesty era).  Not sure if Winterspell is opening other shows.  Would be cool to see him live finally.

Next to None too, you can say "omg hai" to Max Portnoy and ask him to tell his dad to go to Indonesia.

MP said on twitter he would not be attending Max's shows with FW due to other obligations (Winery Dogs)
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on September 30, 2015, 11:01:18 AM
Ooh, should be interesting for Collins and Portnoy to meet again.  I wonder if they've bumped into each other since DT's early days. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Deathless on September 30, 2015, 11:29:48 AM
Ooh, should be interesting for Collins and Portnoy to meet again.  I wonder if they've bumped into each other since DT's early days.

MP won't actually be there. The Winery Dogs will be on tour at that time too.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Deathless on October 01, 2015, 09:03:39 AM
Bump.

Quote
U.S. progressive metal pioneers FATES WARNING have started work on their upcoming, twelfth studio album, to be released next year via InsideOut Music.

FATES WARNING guitarist and main composer Jim Matheos comments: "I'm happy to announce that all the music for FW12 is now written. Still some work to do on lyrics and final arrangements, but the plan is for us to start tracking in December with a release date planned for the first half of 2016. In the meantime, I hope to see and meet a lot of you on the upcoming U.S. dates."


Read more at http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/fates-warning-to-record-new-album-in-december/#Uy1puG0Aw3us2Iuj.99

 :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on October 01, 2015, 10:10:47 AM
Bump.

Quote
U.S. progressive metal pioneers FATES WARNING have started work on their upcoming, twelfth studio album, to be released next year via InsideOut Music.

FATES WARNING guitarist and main composer Jim Matheos comments: "I'm happy to announce that all the music for FW12 is now written. Still some work to do on lyrics and final arrangements, but the plan is for us to start tracking in December with a release date planned for the first half of 2016. In the meantime, I hope to see and meet a lot of you on the upcoming U.S. dates."


Read more at http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/fates-warning-to-record-new-album-in-december/#Uy1puG0Aw3us2Iuj.99

 :metal :metal :metal


(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/ab/ab709e0a6410c5cedf8b59dc1f7fcedf3b9faf43f040004186aae8204023f752.jpg)


So early next year, we're getting new Dream Theater, Fates Warning AND Redemption albums?  Sweet mama.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on October 01, 2015, 11:27:48 AM
great news!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TAC on October 04, 2015, 12:04:42 PM
So, Alder then, right?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on October 04, 2015, 12:19:58 PM
So, Alder then, right?

Presumably, yes. I think Jim would have called it "the next Arch/Matheos album" if John were singing instead.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TAC on October 04, 2015, 12:35:04 PM
I figured that.

Jim is like a man with two wives. ;D
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on October 04, 2015, 12:58:09 PM
I think it would be cool if Arch makes an appearance though
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on October 04, 2015, 02:05:29 PM
I think it would be cool if Arch makes an appearance though

 :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Scorpion on October 04, 2015, 03:16:27 PM
Every time that I listen to it, I find myself baffled that two of DIADL's best songs aren't on the standard edition of the album.

Anyone with me on that?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: gazinwales on October 04, 2015, 04:13:53 PM
I am really sceptical of all of these bonus track versions and alleged limited editions, that don't seem to be so limited.
It's all just a marketing and trying to milk fans for as much as they can.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Scorpion on October 04, 2015, 05:05:23 PM
Yeah Limited Edition has basically lost its meaning.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Madman Shepherd on October 06, 2015, 06:53:17 PM
BTW, Chris Collins, yes the Chris Collins will be sharing the stage with Portnoy again.

Well, Max....and not at the same time.

Chris Collins's band Winterspell will be opening for Fates Warning in Worchester, MA.  Next to None is opening several dates for Fates Warning including that one.

No word on if NTN will play Your Majesty with Chris guesting on vocals. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on October 06, 2015, 07:03:58 PM
I have no problems with albums being called 'deluxe editions' or whatever, but calling something, 'limited edition' is a contradiction when that version of the album is readily available all the time.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TAC on October 21, 2015, 04:43:11 PM
FW's Worcester show is now up on Dime.
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=543469

Sounds fantastic!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: goo-goo on October 22, 2015, 07:57:50 AM
FW's Worcester show is now up on Dime.
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=543469

Sounds fantastic!

Thanks. I'll grab that when I get home. Will be seeing them on Sunday  :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: snowdog on October 28, 2015, 07:11:35 AM
Overall I really enjoyed the show last night in Denver.  I would have loved to have heard Still Remains and I didn't need to hear Another Perfect Day, but the rest of the material was excellent.  Great to see so many awesome songs.  I saw them on the APSOG tour and the tour where they opened for QR/DT.  I would say this was better than both of those.

I was really impressed with Bobby Jarzombek and MIke Abdow.  While Bobby has a different style than Mark Zonder, he played those drum parts flawlessly.  And Mike covered Frank Aresti's guitar solos perfectly.

Ray Adler can't hit the high notes he used to do on some of the first few albums he was on, but thankfully a) they didn't downtune the songs for it and b) he didn't make failed attempts to hit them and make me cringe.  He just sang some different notes that were in the key of the song and I thought that sounded just fine. 

Also it was great hanging out with Jackie before the show talking prog.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: bout to crash on October 28, 2015, 07:04:46 PM
Yes, I had a great time! They put on an awesome show, even if I didn't know all of the songs. The APSOG stuff was such a pleasure to hear.
Also I am sick as fuck today, so I'm glad I had fun last night.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Enigmachine on March 20, 2016, 05:32:39 PM
Fates Warning have nearly finished recording!

 :metal

https://www.facebook.com/FatesWarning/photos/a.430387470377535.1073741825.180848601998091/950042235078720/?type=3&theater
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 20, 2016, 06:27:17 PM
Hell yeah  :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on March 20, 2016, 06:30:23 PM
awesome!!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on March 21, 2016, 05:43:27 AM
Wow, what a nice surprise.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: ? on April 23, 2016, 02:16:08 AM
Theories of Flight coming out on July 1:

(http://i.recordshopx.com/cover/big/4/46/461826.jpg?cd)

Quote
CD 1 – Main Album:
1. From The Rooftops (06:52)
2. Seven Stars (05:33)
3. SOS (04:34)
4. The Light And Shade Of Things (10:14)
5. White Flag (05:20)
6. Like Stars Our Eyes Have Seen (05:13)
7. The Ghosts Of Home (10:31)
8. Theories of Flight (04:00)

CD2 – Acoustic Bonus Disc:
1. Firefly (03:15, previously unreleased)
2. Seven Stars (04:25, previously unreleased)
3. Another Perfect Day (03:25, previously unreleased)
4. Pray Your Gods (03:45, Toad The Wet Sprocket cover version)
5. Adela (02:25, Joaquin Rodrigo cover version)
6. Rain (04:03, Uriah Heep cover version)

The cover looks eerily similar to Chroma Key's Dead Air for Radios... Hell, there's even a song called SOS!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on April 23, 2016, 02:34:33 AM
Looking forward to this release for sure. Darkness was a major grower, but it's a fantastic album. Just got better and better with each listen
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Enigmachine on April 23, 2016, 04:08:10 AM
Goddamnit, I've been checking the FB page each day and every day then when there's news, it just happens to be the day when I stop checking. :lol

This happened again. :lol

Interesting album name / cover. Looking forward to the album.

btw the length is 52:17
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Cyclopssss on April 23, 2016, 06:05:54 AM
Happy.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Kwyjibo on April 23, 2016, 07:40:32 AM
Looking forward to this release for sure. Darkness was a major grower, but it's a fantastic album. Just got better and better with each listen

Exactly my thoughts.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 23, 2016, 03:07:42 PM
Can't wait
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: SoundscapeMN on April 23, 2016, 06:56:43 PM
stoked.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on April 24, 2016, 04:32:35 AM
Hell yeah!!  Looking forward to this one.  Jason is right, Darkness was a huge grower, but a wonderful album.

I wonder if Frank is on this?  I hope so.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Enigmachine on April 24, 2016, 04:51:34 AM
I wonder if Frank is on this?  I hope so.

Not sure why he wouldn't be.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on April 24, 2016, 04:57:09 AM
I wonder if Frank is on this?  I hope so.

Not sure why he wouldn't be.

I guess you're right.  He only was not touring with them, never officially left them I'm pretty sure.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: bosk1 on April 27, 2016, 02:27:27 PM
He also no longer lives on the East Coast.  Not that that in and of itself means he is not on the new album, but just throwing it out there for what it's worth.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TAC on April 27, 2016, 02:29:56 PM
Hell yeah!!  Looking forward to this one.  Jason is right, Darkness was a huge grower, but a wonderful album.

I honestly couldn't tell you the first thing about it. I think I played it a few times after its release. I should fix that.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on April 27, 2016, 02:47:24 PM
Hell yeah!!  Looking forward to this one.  Jason is right, Darkness was a huge grower, but a wonderful album.

I honestly couldn't tell you the first thing about it. I think I played it a few times after its release. I should fix that.

It was pretty tough to get into, but worth it.  Not the best FW album, but a solid release.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on April 27, 2016, 03:07:12 PM
yeah it was tough to get into, but playing it a number of times really paid off for me
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: devieira73 on April 27, 2016, 05:37:24 PM
I wonder if Frank is on this?  I hope so.

Not sure why he wouldn't be.

I guess you're right.  He only was not touring with them, never officially left them I'm pretty sure.

According to the press release, he's not involved this time:

http://www.fateswarning.com/TheoriesOfFlightannounced.aspx
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on April 27, 2016, 05:50:42 PM
Fuck!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on April 28, 2016, 05:43:28 AM
While it sucks that Frank's not on this album, I'm not really all that surprised. The real shock for me is that Jim didn't ask Mike Abdow to contribute any solos on the album, since he's already been touring with the band for the past two or three years. I suspect that he'll probably still be part of the touring lineup for this album though.

In any case, I'm still looking forward to Theories of Flight. Especially if it continues the trend Matheos has been on in the past few years with the Arch/Matheos album and DiaDL.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on April 28, 2016, 06:41:14 AM
It was my first thought too that he possibly wouldn't be part of the album.  No surprise really.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: devieira73 on April 28, 2016, 07:04:18 AM
I don't think this will affect the quality of the songs and arrangements, which have been responsability of Jim for a long time now. I guess it will be an album with less guitar solos, what I miss most from APSoG to FWX, although they are all great albums IMO.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on April 28, 2016, 08:32:33 AM
I'm also surprised that Mike Abdow didn't get the nod to contribute a little bit to this album.  He deserves it, in my opinion.  He's been a great replacement for Frank and is a hell of a nice guy.  As a diehard fan, I don't really look at Adbow as a replacement anymore.  I've gotten to meet him at a couple times now and he's really likeable.  I love the way he plays some of the older FW material.  He's a pro.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Cyclopssss on May 01, 2016, 01:40:33 PM
Fata Morgana, Keep It Real Festival.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt1Gh2UdxGM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt1Gh2UdxGM)
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 01, 2016, 02:04:18 PM
Arch is god  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: goo-goo on May 01, 2016, 05:00:41 PM
I hope a CD or DVD/BR comes out of this performance.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: SoundscapeMN on May 01, 2016, 06:38:42 PM
saw the setlist with pics on FB. The only track that I love from that period they failed to play was "Traveler in Time."

damn..also odd how I had a dream the other night my fiancee said we would be in the Atlanta area during PPUSA and I'd be able to go. And Glen Harveston then commented on a post I made about it saying it was sold out but they may be able to get me in to see the show.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nick on May 01, 2016, 06:46:06 PM
Second hand tickets will not be hard to come by. You'll always find people selling them over the next few months.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jammindude on May 01, 2016, 09:00:52 PM
The one I was the most curious about was Zimmerman.  He sounds fine.  But I can't SEE him in that clip!   :-\
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: gazinwales on May 02, 2016, 01:08:41 AM
Never checked out FW with Arch on vocals.
Which album should I check out first?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: PowerSlave on May 02, 2016, 01:20:15 AM
Never checked out FW with Arch on vocals.
Which album should I check out first?

Awaken the Guardian or the Arch/Matheos album from a few years ago (Sympathetic Resonance) would probably be the best starting points.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: gazinwales on May 02, 2016, 04:02:45 AM
I have both the AM and JA EP.
I meant old FW with Arch.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Cyclopssss on May 02, 2016, 04:55:23 AM
Valley of the dolls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mnl2tNxbX30 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mnl2tNxbX30)
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on May 02, 2016, 11:54:39 PM
The vids are good and Arch sounds great.  The band seem nice and tight too.

Thinking about the new album, perhaps Frank just does a few solos but isn't credited as a full member anymore, he may just be listed as a guest on additional guitars or something.  Hopefully there are some solos, Jim hasn't been interested it seems in soloing for quite a while now.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: bl5150 on May 03, 2016, 12:10:52 AM
A guitarist that has no interest in soloing ...........I wish him well with his recovery.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on May 03, 2016, 12:16:51 AM
A guitarist that has no interest in soloing ...........I wish him well with his recovery.

 :lol  Yeah I know.  I don't think he's ever come out and said anyhting, but just seems that way as time goes on.  Did Jim even have any solos on the last record?  I'll have to go back and listen, maybe I'm just going crazy and dunno what I'm talking about.

I remember reading when Nils quit Nocturnal Rites, his reason was he simply lost interest in it.  A shame.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: pogoowner on May 03, 2016, 04:05:31 PM
Yeah, it's been a very long time since Jim has done much in the way of soloing. OSI certainly doesn't offer much in that regard (and OSI is still freaking awesome).
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Tomislav95 on May 03, 2016, 05:08:01 PM
I think the solo in Firefly is Jim's.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on May 03, 2016, 05:56:00 PM
I think the solo in Firefly is Jim's.

I'll have to have a listen.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: abydos on May 03, 2016, 06:20:22 PM
Live, the first shreddy part of the solo is done by the other guy (forgot his name) and the second part is by JM.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: SoundscapeMN on May 04, 2016, 10:30:20 AM
there was a point where John Arch was going to be in OSI (oh the potential), and of course Daniel Gildenlow as well.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: goo-goo on May 04, 2016, 10:57:57 AM
I think the solo in Firefly is Jim's.

I'll have to have a listen.

I think it's Frank Aresti on the studio version. JM played the second solo while Mike Abdow played the first when I saw them last year. JM seems to play the more melodical solos while Frank (studio) and Mike (live) play the faster solos.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: pogoowner on May 04, 2016, 11:22:15 AM
there was a point where John Arch was going to be in OSI (oh the potential), and of course Daniel Gildenlow as well.
Yup. But I think it all turned out for the best. OSI would have a totally different vibe with someone other than Kevin singing. Arch/Matheos is certainly badass, though.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Tomislav95 on May 04, 2016, 12:06:51 PM
I think the solo in Firefly is Jim's.

I'll have to have a listen.

I think it's Frank Aresti on the studio version. JM played the second solo while Mike Abdow played the first when I saw them last year. JM seems to play the more melodical solos while Frank (studio) and Mike (live) play the faster solos.
Same thing when I saw them.
About that show, I think it was the first time they were in my country and they played in jam-packed club. Such a great experience.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mindflux on May 11, 2016, 07:09:34 AM
Theories of Flight is up on Amazon to preorder:

http://amzn.com/B01F7FOJ22
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: goo-goo on May 11, 2016, 07:51:16 AM
Theories of Flight is up on Amazon to preorder:

http://amzn.com/B01F7FOJ22

FYI - This is the 2CD edition. Can't wait to get my hands on this one.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mindflux on May 11, 2016, 08:02:13 AM
Theories of Flight is up on Amazon to preorder:

http://amzn.com/B01F7FOJ22

FYI - This is the 2CD edition. Can't wait to get my hands on this one.

Yep. Stoked.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on May 12, 2016, 12:48:46 AM
Also stoked!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on May 12, 2016, 10:11:43 AM
New website design at fateswarning.com!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: PowerSlave on May 17, 2016, 04:00:41 AM
Seen this on facebook tonight when I got off work. I'm not sure how to link directly to the post, so I'm copying the text from the message.

"Quick comments on the new album from Jim and Frank:
"Hi Everybody,
To clarify Frank's status with the band, he contributed a couple killer solos on the new record (Mike Abdow did one as well), but due to his current work commitments he will not be able to tour with the band for the foreseeable future. He remains part of the extended FW family and the door is always open for him to return anytime his schedule permits.
We hope to have an album sampler up later this week and the first full song shortly after that. As always, thanks for your support."
~Jim Matheos
---
"I absolutely love Theories of Flight, and I'm proud to be a part of it. I'll continue to do as much as I can, as often as I can, with the band. Meantime, they're in good hands with Mike Abdow, a great guitarist and a great guy. I wish them the best of luck, and look forward to sitting in on a song (or two). smile emoticon"
~Frank Aresti"
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on May 17, 2016, 05:37:47 AM
Good that Frank is still soloing on this.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Awaken on May 17, 2016, 01:03:20 PM
Really looking forward to hearing this, come on July 1!!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on May 24, 2016, 08:19:46 AM
Hey, guys.  I did a Q&A with Graceann Warn, the artist who created the cover artwork for Theories of Flight.  Just wanted to share it.

Link:  Interview with Graceann Warn (May 23, 2016)  (http://progzombie.blogspot.com/p/normal-0-false-false-false-en-us-x-none_20.html?m=0)
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on May 24, 2016, 05:08:24 PM
Hoping for a preview of something soon, the album is out in 5 weeks!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on May 24, 2016, 07:01:30 PM
Hoping for a preview of something soon, the album is out in 5 weeks!

Should be something very soon!!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: goo-goo on May 26, 2016, 08:33:52 AM
Fates Warning new album preview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1O7W9PKMEE
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 26, 2016, 08:46:12 AM
Fates Warning new album preview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1O7W9PKMEE

Sounds pretty cool!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on May 26, 2016, 09:07:28 AM
Sounds incredible!  And that video is neat as well.  I knew I had a good feeling about this album! 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 26, 2016, 11:13:47 AM
Wow....gonna be amazing
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Enigmachine on May 26, 2016, 11:42:48 AM
So excited about this album. Production seems to be the best they ever had.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 26, 2016, 12:55:17 PM
Sounds very cool. The sound is fresh and new.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: pogoowner on May 26, 2016, 12:58:18 PM
Sounds very cool. The sound is fresh and new.
Not the riff starting at 0:14! :lol

But otherwise, yes, there are definitely some new sounds here.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on May 26, 2016, 02:36:30 PM
Fates Warning new album preview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1O7W9PKMEE

Getting more Sympathetic Resonance vibes rather than DiaDL here, which is great. Loved both albums, but SR was definitely the stronger album of the two.

But yeah, this sounds phenomenal. Ray has more bite and power in his voice this time around than normal. I'm digging it.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on May 26, 2016, 02:38:33 PM
Sounds fantastic
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on May 26, 2016, 02:44:43 PM
Shit, this sounds fucking unreal.  My anticipation just skyrocketed.

Hoping for a preview of something soon, the album is out in 5 weeks!

They must had seen my post.  :tup
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on May 26, 2016, 02:55:09 PM
I'm always excited for new FW, but I didn't expect to like the teaser THIS much!  I'm pretty giddy right now.  Ray sounds outstanding and the whole band is clicking on all cylinders.  I couldn't ask for a better teaser.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: T-ski on May 26, 2016, 03:08:19 PM
I like what I hear.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on May 26, 2016, 06:33:53 PM
Seen this on facebook tonight when I got off work. I'm not sure how to link directly to the post, so I'm copying the text from the message.

"Quick comments on the new album from Jim and Frank:
"Hi Everybody,
To clarify Frank's status with the band, he contributed a couple killer solos on the new record (Mike Abdow did one as well), but due to his current work commitments he will not be able to tour with the band for the foreseeable future. He remains part of the extended FW family and the door is always open for him to return anytime his schedule permits.
We hope to have an album sampler up later this week and the first full song shortly after that. As always, thanks for your support."
~Jim Matheos
---
"I absolutely love Theories of Flight, and I'm proud to be a part of it. I'll continue to do as much as I can, as often as I can, with the band. Meantime, they're in good hands with Mike Abdow, a great guitarist and a great guy. I wish them the best of luck, and look forward to sitting in on a song (or two). smile emoticon"
~Frank Aresti"

A bit of a late response on my part, but thank God both Frank and Mike Abdow are getting to contribute some solos on this album! I have a feeling Jim might be doing some soloing on the album too, from the sound of the album samples (not sure though), but I'm glad to see Frank was able to still be involved for some extent and especially that Mike got to also throw in a contribution too. He's shaping up to be to second guitarist spot in the band what Joey was to the bassist spot back in the APSOG days at this point.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on May 26, 2016, 07:24:48 PM
Yeah, that first song I think it was sounds very much like Jim's lead work.

This should be good.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Cyclopssss on May 27, 2016, 01:47:44 AM
I'm freaking stoked for this album.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: kirksnosehair on May 27, 2016, 08:38:42 AM
Already pre-ordered this bad boy.  Fates Warning is one of only a handful of bands I still purchase physical media from.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TAC on May 27, 2016, 03:40:25 PM
Sounds fantastic

Yes, sure does! :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on May 27, 2016, 04:40:28 PM
So... a guy stops next to me at a red light today and starts yelling at me. I reluctantly roll down my window and he comments on my DT decal, saying he's a prog drummer. The light turns green, and we drive at 15 mph yelling back and forth about bands through our open windows to the next red light a block away as cars follow behind us. I mention Fates Warning, and he gets pumped when I tell him how good the teaser is and says he's gonna check it out as soon as he gets home. \m/
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: TAC on May 27, 2016, 04:47:01 PM
 :metal

Decal = bumpah stickah!!

Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: ? on May 28, 2016, 02:13:35 AM
Dat teaser :caffeine: I liked Ray's vocals on DIADL, but he sounds even better here.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Enigmachine on June 03, 2016, 05:34:24 AM
Haven't got time to listen, but omg new song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kkJ8qtgLBY&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on June 03, 2016, 06:36:31 AM
Haven't got time to listen, but omg new song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kkJ8qtgLBY&feature=youtu.be

Absolutely fucking brilliant, wow!!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on June 03, 2016, 06:51:31 AM
Haven't got time to listen, but omg new song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kkJ8qtgLBY&feature=youtu.be

Absolutely fucking brilliant, wow!!

Oh man, Ray sounds fantastic!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on June 03, 2016, 06:52:43 AM
Haven't got time to listen, but omg new song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kkJ8qtgLBY&feature=youtu.be

Absolutely fucking brilliant, wow!!

Oh man, Ray sounds fantastic!

Everything here sounds fucking amazing, especially Ray.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Prog Snob on June 03, 2016, 07:03:47 AM
It's really good song. I'm glad to hear they're back in the business of making album or album again.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on June 03, 2016, 07:28:36 AM
Haven't got time to listen, but omg new song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kkJ8qtgLBY&feature=youtu.be

Absolutely fucking brilliant, wow!!

Oh man, Ray sounds fantastic!

Everything here sounds fucking amazing, especially Ray.

Yeah, Ray sounds completely re-energized! It's a pleasant surprise! :hefdaddy

BTW, did Jim do all the solos on this song? The opening one is definitely him, but what about the later one?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on June 03, 2016, 07:29:56 AM
Later one sounds like Frank to me, but I don't know what the other fella sounds like.  Second one I'm sure definitely isn't Jim, but would have to listen again.

EDIT: Pretty sure it's Frank.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Prog Snob on June 03, 2016, 07:32:58 AM
Even though Jim seemed to be more of the creative type in the band, I always found Frank to be the better player overall. You can usually tell the difference between their solos in some of their songs.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on June 03, 2016, 07:35:02 AM
Even though Jim seemed to be more of the creative type in the band, I always found Frank to be the better player overall. You can usually tell the difference between their solos in some of their songs.

Their styles are completely different.  Frank is more of a shredder and technically more proficient.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on June 03, 2016, 07:38:23 AM
Even though Jim seemed to be more of the creative type in the band, I always found Frank to be the better player overall. You can usually tell the difference between their solos in some of their songs.

Mhmm. Also loved Frank as a songwriter. He whipped up some pretty great tracks during the AtG-Perfect Symmetry days.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Evermind on June 03, 2016, 08:19:43 AM
Haven't got time to listen, but omg new song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kkJ8qtgLBY&feature=youtu.be

Absolutely fucking brilliant, wow!!

Wouldn't quite go there, but yeah, fantastic song. This album is a definite purchase for me.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on June 03, 2016, 09:03:50 AM
Haven't got time to listen, but omg new song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kkJ8qtgLBY&feature=youtu.be

(http://s33.postimg.org/3q1w0vr4v/George_Costanza.jpg)
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Scorpion on June 03, 2016, 09:07:06 AM
Epic song. Really looking forward to this album now.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 03, 2016, 09:10:58 AM
Yes, sounds great.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 03, 2016, 09:24:17 AM
Cool song!!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Dublagent66 on June 03, 2016, 10:58:11 AM
I always look forward to new FW.  Unfortunately, they never got the popularity they deserved.  Still one of my favorite bands.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: abydos on June 03, 2016, 11:53:03 AM
Sounds good, but I was hoping for something leaning slightly to the atmosphere of FWX/Disconnected. Guess I'll have to wait a bit, being FW they kinda do the general theme/sound of albums in 2 or 3.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: bl5150 on June 03, 2016, 12:06:27 PM
Good stuff - I was a bit disappointed when the heavy stuff started actually (I felt they had more to do with the intro) but I really enjoyed it anyway
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: emtee on June 03, 2016, 12:17:56 PM
Very enjoyable song!

Jarzombek has a very recognizable style. Ray has got that tone that just hits the sweet spot. He struggles live sometimes but on
the studio albums he is like the Sinatra of prog metal.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on June 03, 2016, 12:38:14 PM
Very enjoyable song!

Jarzombek has a very recognizable style. Ray has got that tone that just hits the sweet spot. He struggles live sometimes but on
the studio albums he is like the Sinatra of prog metal.

Honestly, Ray's voice has been improving a lot since his weaker performance on Redemption's This Mortal Coil in 2011. Dude recognized that he wasn't taking care of his voice and it seems he has been working to get it back as much as possible. He sounds fantastic here, even if his upper range has diminished. He just sounds so freaking powerful here.

I love it.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on June 03, 2016, 12:53:59 PM
Ray has got that tone that just hits the sweet spot. He struggles live sometimes but on the studio albums he is like the Sinatra of prog metal.

 :lol
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nick on June 03, 2016, 01:30:59 PM
I'm hoping to start working on a proper review soon, but will just say this for now:

I've never thought FW sounded anything like Redemption, despite sharing a singer, until now. There are a couple of tracks, or at least spots in tracks that sounded like they came out of NVD's playbook. I'm actually happy to hear it, because it shows Jim doing new things with this album. All in all it's that nice combo of fresh and classic.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on June 03, 2016, 01:43:01 PM
I'm hoping to start working on a proper review soon, but will just say this for now:

I've never thought FW sounded anything like Redemption, despite sharing a singer, until now. There are a couple of tracks, or at least spots in tracks that sounded like they came out of NVD's playbook. I'm actually happy to hear it, because it shows Jim doing new things with this album. All in all it's that nice combo of fresh and classic.

I'm digging the sound of that! Does the album bear much resemblance to the Arch/Matheos album a few years back too? How does Ray fare? He sounds incredible on this and in the album samples.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nick on June 03, 2016, 02:32:55 PM
I'm hoping to start working on a proper review soon, but will just say this for now:

I've never thought FW sounded anything like Redemption, despite sharing a singer, until now. There are a couple of tracks, or at least spots in tracks that sounded like they came out of NVD's playbook. I'm actually happy to hear it, because it shows Jim doing new things with this album. All in all it's that nice combo of fresh and classic.

I'm digging the sound of that! Does the album bear much resemblance to the Arch/Matheos album a few years back too? How does Ray fare? He sounds incredible on this and in the album samples.

I don't think it hits on the Arch/Matheos style all that much, and I'd certainly say the last album had more of that.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on June 03, 2016, 03:49:52 PM
I'm hoping to start working on a proper review soon, but will just say this for now:

I've never thought FW sounded anything like Redemption, despite sharing a singer, until now. There are a couple of tracks, or at least spots in tracks that sounded like they came out of NVD's playbook. I'm actually happy to hear it, because it shows Jim doing new things with this album. All in all it's that nice combo of fresh and classic.

I'm digging the sound of that! Does the album bear much resemblance to the Arch/Matheos album a few years back too? How does Ray fare? He sounds incredible on this and in the album samples.

I don't think it hits on the Arch/Matheos style all that much, and I'd certainly say the last album had more of that.

Interesting. Out of curiosity, which Redemption and Fates Warning album would you say this most resembles?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: gazinwales on June 03, 2016, 05:37:03 PM
Ray sounds like a difference man to the last Redemption.
Pre-ordered from the IO shop orange vinyl + CD  ;D

I must say that I do like IO practise of putting the CD (bare bones not booklet etc) with the vinyl releases.
I wish more labels would do this, instead of trying to milk the fans.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on June 03, 2016, 06:28:44 PM
I hope they do a t-shirt/cd bundle. I'm holding out on my preorder to see if they offer bundles.

Also... I think we should change the thread title to reflect the new album. :)
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nick on June 03, 2016, 07:15:02 PM
I'm hoping to start working on a proper review soon, but will just say this for now:

I've never thought FW sounded anything like Redemption, despite sharing a singer, until now. There are a couple of tracks, or at least spots in tracks that sounded like they came out of NVD's playbook. I'm actually happy to hear it, because it shows Jim doing new things with this album. All in all it's that nice combo of fresh and classic.

I'm digging the sound of that! Does the album bear much resemblance to the Arch/Matheos album a few years back too? How does Ray fare? He sounds incredible on this and in the album samples.

I don't think it hits on the Arch/Matheos style all that much, and I'd certainly say the last album had more of that.

Interesting. Out of curiosity, which Redemption and Fates Warning album would you say this most resembles?

I wouldn't really pin it to any single Redemption album, it just sounds like that general style of metal from time to time. As for Fates, it doesn't really resemble any of them either. I'd say their are parts that certainly remind me of the last album, and in general the album has a heavy catchiness to it, perhaps not as clearly commercial as something like Parallels, but rather more like Inside Out.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: pogoowner on June 06, 2016, 11:31:58 AM
Ray sounds as good as ever on the new track. I'm usually not that into their singles, but this one sounds pretty darn good.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: bl5150 on June 06, 2016, 11:49:51 AM
The more I read and hear about this album (including what Nick said above) the more I think it is going to be my highest rated since Parallels.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Prog Snob on June 06, 2016, 12:25:38 PM
Parallels is still my favorite so this sounds very hopeful.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on June 06, 2016, 12:28:58 PM
My top three would go...

1) A Pleasant Shade of Gray
2) Disconnected
3) Parallels

From what I hear so far though, this new album could definitely be cracking the top three.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Dr. DTVT on June 06, 2016, 02:19:04 PM
To echo what Nick said, the album doesn't sound like Ray-era Fates; but absolutely not in a bad way.  It's going to get lots of positive reviews I think, including from me (and it sounds like Nick as well).
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mindflux on June 06, 2016, 02:35:37 PM
To echo what Nick said, the album doesn't sound like Ray-era Fates; but absolutely not in a bad way.  It's going to get lots of positive reviews I think, including from me (and it sounds like Nick as well).

Isn't anything but the first 3 albums "Ray-Era" Fates?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on June 06, 2016, 03:06:18 PM
Parallels is still my favorite so this sounds very hopeful.

This.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Hanz Gruber on June 06, 2016, 03:32:35 PM
Damn.  Just heard the new Fates Warning track and signed in to say it is pretty amazing.

I thought Megadeth had it in the bag for album of the year but it looks like they have some competition.  Loved the guitar tone and the drums.  Ray has some nice grit to his voice too.

Hope that the quality of the entire album matches this track.  I was a little disappointed in their last release honestly.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on June 07, 2016, 12:31:03 AM
Parallels is still my favorite so this sounds very hopeful.

This.

Me too!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on June 07, 2016, 09:43:15 AM
Parallels is still my favorite so this sounds very hopeful.

This.

Me too!

I always leaned more towards Awaken the Guardian, Perfect Symmetry and A Pleasant Shade of Gray (in no particular order). However Parallels has started to click with me lately, after about three or four years of trying to 'get' that album. :lol

Won't lie though, I'm very excited for Theories of Flight. I have a feeling this one's gonna be something very special. :metal

Damn.  Just heard the new Fates Warning track and signed in to say it is pretty amazing.

I thought Megadeth had it in the bag for album of the year but it looks like they have some competition.  Loved the guitar tone and the drums.  Ray has some nice grit to his voice too.

Hope that the quality of the entire album matches this track.  I was a little disappointed in their last release honestly.

I need to go back and revisit the new Megadeth album. I enjoyed my one listen to it earlier this year, but I never bothered to revisit it. However I do think Fates Warning are gonna win the Album of the Year spot for me. There's just something about the band that clicks perfectly for me.

I liked DiaDL a lot personally, but it was a little bit of a letdown compared to the Arch/Matheos album before it at first. It does grow on you with repeated listens though.

However this new track and the album samples all sound more immediately 'energized' than the stuff from DiaDL did imo. I think it's probably a benefit of the band finally getting back into a creative writing mindset, since there was that nine year gap for DiaDL, as opposed to the three year gap for ToL. DiaDL could perhaps be seen as the band turning the old car back on after so long, and ToL in turn is the car after it's gotten fixed up and fine-tuned.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Prog Snob on June 07, 2016, 12:44:41 PM
Parallels is still my favorite so this sounds very hopeful.

This.

Me too!

I always leaned more towards Awaken the Guardian, Perfect Symmetry and A Pleasant Shade of Gray (in no particular order). However Parallels has started to click with me lately, after about three or four years of trying to 'get' that album. :lol

Won't lie though, I'm very excited for Theories of Flight. I have a feeling this one's gonna be something very special. :metal



As do I. I have to say that in the 25 years I've been listening to them, they have never disappointed me. I'm not a huge fan of their John Arch-era releases, but they're good enough to get my full Fates Warning kick in gear.  :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on June 07, 2016, 05:10:16 PM
As do I. I have to say that in the 25 years I've been listening to them, they have never disappointed me. I'm not a huge fan of their John Arch-era releases, but they're good enough to get my full Fates Warning kick in gear.  :metal

Mhmm. I love the Arch-era material a great deal, but it really is something of an acquired taste. Not to mention that the Alder material is just so drastically different from the Arch-era, aside from No Exit. In fact, I think that it's a lot easier to compare most of Ray's material with Arch/Matheos than it is with something like Awaken the Guardian, since A/M is more in line with Jim's songwriting style from Perfect Symmetry onward.

BTW, one of the mods over at Sputnikmusic has heard ToF too. Dude described it as "Arch/Matheos meets Darkness in a Different Light meets Parallels, but with heavier parts than any of those albums" and that it was the best thing the band's done since Parallels.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: devieira73 on June 07, 2016, 05:52:59 PM
Review:
http://seaoftranquility.org/reviews.php?op=showcontent&id=18811
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: wolfking on June 07, 2016, 06:42:34 PM
Review:
http://seaoftranquility.org/reviews.php?op=showcontent&id=18811

Nice!  :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on June 07, 2016, 07:03:14 PM
Review:
http://seaoftranquility.org/reviews.php?op=showcontent&id=18811

Yessssssssssssss :metal

I'm hoping we hear another new song or two before the rest of the album comes out.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Nick on June 07, 2016, 11:33:03 PM
Review:
http://seaoftranquility.org/reviews.php?op=showcontent&id=18811

Yessssssssssssss :metal

I'm hoping we hear another new song or two before the rest of the album comes out.

I would be surprised if "White Flag" is not used in some promotional capacity. There is so much to love about this album, but as far as non-epic Fates Warning tracks are concerned, this could frankly be one of the best in several albums, and it's very catchy. All that said, there are probably 2 other tracks I could pretty much say the same thing about.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Prog Snob on June 08, 2016, 05:14:52 AM
As do I. I have to say that in the 25 years I've been listening to them, they have never disappointed me. I'm not a huge fan of their John Arch-era releases, but they're good enough to get my full Fates Warning kick in gear.  :metal

Mhmm. I love the Arch-era material a great deal, but it really is something of an acquired taste. Not to mention that the Alder material is just so drastically different from the Arch-era, aside from No Exit. In fact, I think that it's a lot easier to compare most of Ray's material with Arch/Matheos than it is with something like Awaken the Guardian, since A/M is more in line with Jim's songwriting style from Perfect Symmetry onward.


I've never heard Arch/Matheos. Maybe I'll check it out today. I'll see if it's on Spotify.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on June 08, 2016, 07:55:56 AM
I would be surprised if "White Flag" is not used in some promotional capacity. There is so much to love about this album, but as far as non-epic Fates Warning tracks are concerned, this could frankly be one of the best in several albums, and it's very catchy. All that said, there are probably 2 other tracks I could pretty much say the same thing about.

I'm betting "Seven Stars" will be the first official single off the album, since that's the track they decided to do an acoustic version of on the second disk of the album. Not to mention that its chorus sounded really catchy in the album samples video from before. But "White Flag" could also make sense, based on your comments. Maybe it'll be the "I Am" of this album and be the second single they release?

I've heard elsewhere that either "White Flag" or "Like Stars Our Eyes Have Seen" gets kinda Symphony X-ish at times. Is that true? I'm guessing whichever track that is is the one with Mike Abdow's solo. :biggrin:

I've never heard Arch/Matheos. Maybe I'll check it out today. I'll see if it's on Spotify.

Definitely check it out. You can definitely see how the album inspired Matheos' songwriting direction in DiaDL, but I think he did it a lot better on Arch/Matheos. I'd argue that it's one of his best albums ever imo, so long as you can get into Arch's vocals (which sound just like they did on Awaken the Guardian, if not better).
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: goo-goo on June 08, 2016, 08:52:34 AM
Seems like the album is out of stock on the CMDistro pre-order. I emailed them and got a response to check back once the album is released.

CMDistro had the cheapest price (10 bucks + shipping ~ 13.50 or so)
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on June 08, 2016, 09:53:20 AM
Yeah, it looks like the album is also out of stock on the Inside Out shop too.  I just alerted them to this via e-mail.  Hopefully they fix that because I haven't pre-ordered yet.  Also, for those curious, I'd e-mailed Inside Out inquiring as to whether they are planning to offer a t-shirt-/cd bundle and they replied: "Unfortunately there are no plans to offer a shirt bundle for the new Fates Warning album, sorry."
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: SoundscapeMN on June 08, 2016, 11:45:43 AM
Quote
Definitely check it out. You can definitely see how the album inspired Matheos' songwriting direction in DiaDL, but I think he did it a lot better on Arch/Matheos. I'd argue that it's one of his best albums ever imo, so long as you can get into Arch's vocals (which sound just like they did on Awaken the Guardian, if not better).

also A Twist of Fate, the 27-minute EP from Arch that includes Portnoy of course.

I talked a bit about it and showed a lot of my FW collection, if anyone is bored, in a Video a few months back here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGqY7QE7kV0
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on June 08, 2016, 01:15:27 PM
Just received this reply from Inside Out about the album currently being out of stock: "Our web shop team expects to have the album available to order again by the end of today. Sorry for any troubles."
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: goo-goo on June 08, 2016, 01:34:24 PM
Just received this reply from Inside Out about the album currently being out of stock: "Our web shop team expects to have the album available to order again by the end of today. Sorry for any troubles."

Thanks for the update. Will keep F5n' the freaking webpage!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: goo-goo on June 08, 2016, 01:45:05 PM
Just received this reply from Inside Out about the album currently being out of stock: "Our web shop team expects to have the album available to order again by the end of today. Sorry for any troubles."

Thanks for the update. Will keep F5n' the freaking webpage!

Back in stock again.  :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on June 09, 2016, 12:13:01 AM
A new review's out! :hefdaddy :metal

Quote
Progressive metal is, by definition, all about forward movement, change, and intensity. With Theories Of Flight, Fates Warning – ranked as prog-metal pioneers alongside the likes of Queensrÿche and Dream Theater and standing tall today as twelve-album veterans – are currently sitting on a release based around those same core themes.

Theories Of Flight is as progressive as it gets.

Are otherworldly chops your thing? Check out Theories Of Flight opener From The Rooftops for multiple motor-cortex-melting drum moments courtesy of Fates Warning drummer Bobby Jarzombek, and the freaky guitar soloing to be found on empowering powerhouse White Flag. What about extra-long epics? Fates Warning have two to hand this time out in The Light And Shade Of Things and album highlight The Ghosts Of Home. Virtuosic vocal performances? Worry not: Ray Alder has you covered for Theories Of Flight’s fifty-three-minute duration.

Ultimately, Theories Of Flight is a deeply personal album with two major emotional highlights. White Flag is a five-minute tour de force, a blizzard of massive chords, searing leads, churning riffs, and backbreaking grooves that underpin Ray Alder simultaneously talking straight and singing theatrically. Two tracks later, The Ghosts Of Home proves this album’s winner as guitarist/producer/lyricist Jim Matheos digs deep into his past, mulling over the psychological repercussions of repeated childhood uprootings and emerging with a song you just need to hear for yourself, because saying anything more would spoil an experience Fates Warning fans are going to treasure for some time to come.

Listening to Theories Of Flight is like trying to solve a jigsaw puzzle without knowing what the final picture is supposed to look like. With the benefit of hindsight, it proves worth every second. Come July 1, those who’ve stuck by Fates Warning will find their support supported in kind by a world-class album from a band of legends.

TMMP RATING: 93% (Essential Listening!)
http://www.themusicalmeltingpot.com/2016/06/08/fates-warning-theories-of-flight-review/
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on June 09, 2016, 08:21:40 AM
Wow, another glowing review!  I don't recall ever being this excited for an album.  Maybe ADToE, because I wanted to see what DT could do without Portnoy.  Or maybe the first OSI, because I was eager to hear Kevin's voice over prog metal.  July 1 can't come fast enough. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: bosk1 on June 09, 2016, 09:18:43 AM
Great review!  (although the first sentence made me cringe; if people don't know what the term "progressive" means in the context of music, they really should not use it)  I am excited about this one too.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on June 09, 2016, 09:36:05 AM
Great review!  (although the first sentence made me cringe; if people don't know what the term "progressive" means in the context of music, they really should not use it)  I am excited about this one too.

What did you think of the released song, "From the Rooftops?" :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: bosk1 on June 09, 2016, 09:42:00 AM
Liked it a lot.  That is why I am excited (reviews don't really do it for me, since pre-release reviews tend to be overwhelmingly positive in their attempt to promote the album).
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 09, 2016, 01:47:17 PM
Just listening to From The Rooftops. Not for the first time but it usually take me some time to like something. It is absolutely stunning :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Cyclopssss on June 10, 2016, 01:52:28 AM
Ordered this bad boy.  2 disc edition.  :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on June 10, 2016, 08:45:54 AM
Ordered this bad boy.  2 disc edition.  :metal

Did the same a couple days ago on Amazon. :metal

Just hoping that Amazon's AutoRip will end up applying for the album. :lol It did for DiaDL when I got that in 2013, but the US territory Amazon site sadly doesn't let you know if AutoRips will apply for pre-ordered albums. :\

Liked it a lot.  That is why I am excited (reviews don't really do it for me, since pre-release reviews tend to be overwhelmingly positive in their attempt to promote the album).

A fair point.

Just listening to From The Rooftops. Not for the first time but it usually take me some time to like something. It is absolutely stunning :hefdaddy

Indeed, it is! I especially love Ray's performance on the track! :metal :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Evermind on June 10, 2016, 09:19:26 AM
I would be surprised if "White Flag" is not used in some promotional capacity. There is so much to love about this album, but as far as non-epic Fates Warning tracks are concerned, this could frankly be one of the best in several albums, and it's very catchy. All that said, there are probably 2 other tracks I could pretty much say the same thing about.

I'm betting "Seven Stars" will be the first official single off the album, since that's the track they decided to do an acoustic version of on the second disk of the album. Not to mention that its chorus sounded really catchy in the album samples video from before. But "White Flag" could also make sense, based on your comments. Maybe it'll be the "I Am" of this album and be the second single they release?

I've heard elsewhere that either "White Flag" or "Like Stars Our Eyes Have Seen" gets kinda Symphony X-ish at times. Is that true? I'm guessing whichever track that is is the one with Mike Abdow's solo. :biggrin:

Yeah, Mike Abdow did a solo on White Flag.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on June 10, 2016, 09:02:57 PM
Yeah, Mike Abdow did a solo on White Flag.

Called it! :biggrin: So you've heard the album then? Any short impressions of it that you can give us? :D
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Evermind on June 11, 2016, 04:40:49 AM
Yeah, Mike Abdow did a solo on White Flag.

Called it! :biggrin: So you've heard the album then? Any short impressions of it that you can give us? :D

Listened to it two times as of now, and I think this could be my album of the year so far (I haven't heard Haken's Affinity yet). Best album FW has done in a while, and incredibly strong overall. This is one of those albums I instantly wanted to spin again after my first listen. Darkness in a Different Light was quite good IMO, but this album is on another level.

Ray Alder is one of my favourite voices in metal right now - I'm discovering Redemption these days thanks to Tomislav who sent them in my roulette, so I may be a bit biased - but damn he shines on this album. The record has a nice balance between quite parts and aggressive ones, and even when it's really aggressive and heavy and relentless, it manages to stay catchy and exciting (White Flag). My favourite song is the first album's epic, The Light and Shade of Things, it's just fantastic. Other highlights are aforementioned White Flag - as Nick said, this is probably the best choice for their next single - and of course, From the Rooftops which you guys have already heard. Great opener for the album. My least favourite actual song from the album (not counting the instrumental title track serving as an outro) is the second epic, The Ghosts of Home. I wouldn't even call it an epic, it takes a whole minute for the actual music to start (think the news broadcasts in Sacrificed Sons), then it spends another music on sugary intro I really dislike, and while the song itself isn't bad or anything, when I have The Light and Shade of Things on the same album, which has approximately the same length, I can't help but compare those two, and well, The Light wins big time.

I don't remember all of the details right now after only two listens, but I expect this album will stay in my rotation for a while. My first impression is that I like it better than other metal releases I've heard in 2016, like Headspace, Primal Fear, DT and Avantasia.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on June 11, 2016, 06:27:14 AM
I'm liking the sounds of all of this positive feedback.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on June 11, 2016, 06:51:18 AM
Listened to it two times as of now, and I think this could be my album of the year so far (I haven't heard Haken's Affinity yet). Best album FW has done in a while, and incredibly strong overall. This is one of those albums I instantly wanted to spin again after my first listen. Darkness in a Different Light was quite good IMO, but this album is on another level.

Ray Alder is one of my favourite voices in metal right now - I'm discovering Redemption these days thanks to Tomislav who sent them in my roulette, so I may be a bit biased - but damn he shines on this album. The record has a nice balance between quite parts and aggressive ones, and even when it's really aggressive and heavy and relentless, it manages to stay catchy and exciting (White Flag). My favourite song is the first album's epic, The Light and Shade of Things, it's just fantastic. Other highlights are aforementioned White Flag - as Nick said, this is probably the best choice for their next single - and of course, From the Rooftops which you guys have already heard. Great opener for the album. My least favourite actual song from the album (not counting the instrumental title track serving as an outro) is the second epic, The Ghosts of Home. I wouldn't even call it an epic, it takes a whole minute for the actual music to start (think the news broadcasts in Sacrificed Sons), then it spends another music on sugary intro I really dislike, and while the song itself isn't bad or anything, when I have The Light and Shade of Things on the same album, which has approximately the same length, I can't help but compare those two, and well, The Light wins big time.

I don't remember all of the details right now after only two listens, but I expect this album will stay in my rotation for a while. My first impression is that I like it better than other metal releases I've heard in 2016, like Headspace, Primal Fear, DT and Avantasia.

Sounds like Ray really delivered on this album! :metal I'm assuming he doesn't throw in any high notes, right? I know he said in the press release that he and Jim deliberately chose to mix things up a bit with their approach to the vocals for the album. More aggressive sounding?

Also, I'm eager as hell to hear White Flag now (I really hope Mike Abdow gets to contribute more to Fates in future albums from here on out) and am also curious to see how my opinions on The Light and Shade of Things versus The Ghosts of Home compare and contrast to yours.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: ? on June 12, 2016, 01:41:38 PM
I've heard the album once and absolutely loved it! To me it sounds like a mix of pretty much all the Ray-era stuff without feeling like a rehash. It's a logical follow-up to DIADL, but the songs are a lot catchier - I think this album captures that Parallels spirit that Ray was talking about in interviews before DIADL. Obviously it needs more listens, but I can already see TOF becoming part of my "big 4" of Fates albums alongside Parallels, APSOG and Disconnected.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Dr. DTVT on June 12, 2016, 06:29:13 PM
The Light and Shade of Things is awesome, and is going to be on most people's short list for best Fates song.  It's that good.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on June 13, 2016, 01:48:27 PM
The Light and Shade of Things is awesome, and is going to be on most people's short list for best Fates song.  It's that good.

Yeah, some German review for the album called the song "the best thing the band's done since The Eleventh Hour." High praise indeed. I'm very curious to hear the full thing, since what little I heard of the chorus in the album samples video didn't impress me all that much. Hoping there's more to it than that and it sounds like there definitely is.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Evermind on June 13, 2016, 01:54:31 PM
I haven't heard the samples but the second half of the chorus starting with "You're nowhere no-o-o-ow" is my favourite part of the album hands down. And the quiet parts are bloody amazing on this song too.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 13, 2016, 01:58:23 PM
I think I'm officially hyped for this new album :corn
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on June 13, 2016, 02:21:53 PM
I haven't heard the samples but the second half of the chorus starting with "You're nowhere no-o-o-ow" is my favourite part of the album hands down. And the quiet parts are bloody amazing on this song too.

That sounds great! Definitely looking forward to it then. :metal

The part of the chorus that's in the sample is that Ozzy-era Black Sabbath sounding bit with "The Light and Shade of Things, The Light You Held Is Gone!"

I'm also guessing that the bit linked below is one of the verses for TLaSoT too.
https://youtu.be/q1O7W9PKMEE?t=91
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Dr. DTVT on June 13, 2016, 04:57:43 PM
What a tease...they cut that song before the awesome parts.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: SoundscapeMN on June 17, 2016, 09:39:04 AM
JRundquist aka That Drummer Guy interviewed Bobby
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA-RA7gku4c
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on June 17, 2016, 10:18:19 AM
JRundquist aka That Drummer Guy interviewed Bobby
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA-RA7gku4c

Nice interview!  Bobby is so chill.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on June 17, 2016, 07:59:08 PM
A bunch of reviews for the album have been coming out lately and they're all pretty great! :metal Here's some samples of the big ones I've found so far! :metal :hefdaddy

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... By contrast, ‘The Light And Shade Of Things’ is one of two compositions that top the 10-minute mark. It begins quietly, taking its time to deliberately build the tension and increase the atmospherics. The lead guitar embellishments are sparingly used but have a vaguely bluesy feel to them when they appear. And then the gentle opening is forgotten as, like a tsunami, heavy riffs, blistering drumming and almost confrontational vocals threaten to knock you off your feet. It might not be as fast-paced as other songs, but what it lacks in speed, it makes up for in intensity and a more pronounced exploration of light and shade. A gorgeous lead guitar solo follows on from a short acoustic-led interlude and the whole thing is rounded out by an addictive, sprawling chorus that shows Alder at his absolute best, deploying his excellent range to dispel any concerns that the high notes can no longer be reached...

The Score Of Much Metal: 9.25
https://manofmuchmetal.wordpress.com/2016/06/16/fates-warning-theories-of-flight-album-review/

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... ‘Theories of Flight’ is undoubtedly going to be on the Top 10 lists of many listeners and reviewers at the year’s end. Fates Warning has delivered a nearly flawless piece of high art, and if you’re a serious listener and fan of artistically made metal this album needs to be heard...

Score: 9.0
http://www.metalwani.com/2016/06/review-fates-warning-theories-of-flight.html

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... Speaking of great lyrics, the album is not a concept album, but contains themes centered on imminent changes in life.  Ray wrote most of the lyrics for the album, and they concern changes that he has chosen for the future.  The title “Theories of Flight”, then, is equal parts anxious and searching, uplifting and hopeful; unlike the straight sorrow of past albums.  One of my favorite things about “Theories of Flight” is the return of the “drone” sound from “Disconnected”.  The new album has many spacey portions that feature a warm drone that feels hopeful and cultivates your spirit.  I love it.  In fact, the whole final track is one instrumental song of warm pulses and waning drones.  So, rather than the grey anxiety of past albums, “Theories of Flight” is all about looking to the skies for your life destination...

... So, I really like “Theories of Flight”.  The songs have a proggier feeling than last time, as the structures are especially eschewed.  “From the Rooftops” features this style, but pretty much all of them do, too.  Many of the songs on “Darkness in a Different Light” were rather straightforward.  My favorite tracks, however, are the longer, more atmospheric ones, like “Seven Stars” (killer chorus) and “Like Stars Our Eyes Have Seen” (great guitar licks).  My absolute favorite, and one of my favorite tracks this year, is “The Light and Shade of Things”.  This track really represents the whole album, as it features everything from amazing drumming and guitar work to Ray’s awesome voice to a longer, differentiated song structure that it is wreathed in grey and hope.

“Theories of Flight” might not be the best Fates Warning album yet, but it reminds me of my favorite from them, “Disconnected”.  It is an album that reflects our life journey; the ups and downs, the unknowns and triumphs, the light and the darkness.  Mostly, however, it conveys warm feelings of hope, all while giving us that signature Fates Warning sound in a proggier package.

Score: 8.5
https://theprogmind.com/2016/06/16/fates-warning-theories-of-flight/

And here's one last review I found from a Greek reviewer and translated via Google Translator... :rollin

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In theory the new album of Fates Warning could be treated with a certain distrust. The "Darkness In A Different Light" was the first moderate album of the band (always speaking based on its own data and modern history), finding the Ray Alder sound more tired than ever. If, indeed, telling someone that Matheos and his friends chose to "build" upon their more metallic sound, perhaps enough to driven in preterm wrong conclusions. Theories to throw away so ...

Because in practice the "Theories Of Flight" is excellent and probably the best album of Fates for fifteen years. It seems to continue from where it left off the "Disconnected" and to my ears exceeds as a whole beautiful "FWX", although this probably is the acoustic angle at which approximates each album the individual listener, because it is a different job.

Initially, it is obvious that we live «Jarzombeck era" of the complex. As once the jazz playing of Mark Zonder has characterized the sound of the band and gave a special color to the music, so the metal (and outrageously good) playing Bobby seems to be what leads to harder trails, parasernontas the Jim Matheos to enlist some of the most metal of riffs. As a result, we have more heavy album of contemporary history of Fates Warning, which would not be an exaggeration to say that at times reminiscent of the (epic) "Sympathetic Resonance" of Arch / Matheos.

Starting with the introduction of calm "From The Rooftops" gives a misleading impression as to the sound of the disc direction, but possible riff comes after two minutes putting things in their true dimension. But aggressive yet melodic, with a Ray Alder shining from the first notes of the opening song of the album is staggering and is like an early restoration of faith across the band.

Then comes the potential chitaki "Seven Stars", one of the best and most catchy compositions written by band for years, especially because of the vocal lines of Alder, while in the same vein - although clearly less impressive - is the equally short and heavy "SOS", to come first lengthy composition of the album with the 10 minute "the Light and Shade of Things", which looks like a natural extension of the "Disconnected" sound, with calm introduction, variations in intensity and another excellent vocal line in the chorus.

The completely metal "White Flag", the dual guitar attack is one of the compositions stand out, both for music force that sees, but mainly for their inspiring lyrics Alder, while "Like Stars Our Eyes Have Seen" not stand but is still a nice addition to the album.

Just before closing, is the second 10-minute composition, "The Ghosts Of Home", which is the only song that fully edited by Jim Matheos and is the most adventurous composition of the album, with metallized Rushoeides, basic riff and many changes before the eponymous composition ideally completed both the "Ghosts of Home" and the album as a whole. It is an amazing instrumental composition overflowing with lyricism and prog mentality, recalling the always restless synthetic spirit of this band and the level of musicians who compose it.

There are three elements that I think make the "Theories Of Flight" so special. The first is consistency, as the band built on the sound of the previous album, managing to sound much more convincing and effective. The second is that all compositions without exception (except the homonymous obviously) were extremely inspiring vocal lines and the third performance of anagenimmenou Ray Alder, who is the great protagonist of the album.

Sure, there are some asterisks to be highlighted. Specifically, lyricism always an important component of the music of Fates is clearly limited by the more heavy direction have been taken, the - unique introspective - lyrics Matheos conspicuous by their absence, while the absence of Frank Aresti is noticeable, as only appears to play two solos. In reality, however important they may seem the above factors for friends band, the "Theories Of Flight" is so well made and so inspired that eventually no one reduces its value.

Any theories go strolling and Fates Warning returning to high flights.
http://www.rocking.gr/reviews/album/Fates-Warning-Theories-Of-Flight/6727
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on June 18, 2016, 12:03:35 AM
This is sounding like a major album of the year contender!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on June 18, 2016, 08:34:14 PM
This is sounding like a major album of the year contender!

Mhmm! :tup It also got a review from LadyObscure's website!

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Upon receiving the promo copy of the 12th studio album from progressive metal pioneers Fates Warning, I was faced with a dilemma. What does one write about when trying to describe a legendary band that blazed a trail for every band that followed them? Do I start from the very beginning when the band hailing from Hartford, Connecticut burst upon an unsuspecting metal world with Night on Bröcken, performing their unique brand of Iron Maiden/Black Sabbath inspired technical heavy metal with original vocalist John Arch or how the band reinvented themselves on 1988’s thrashier and heavier No Exit with new singer Ray Alder? Since that time and numerous line up changes, the band continues to defy trends, re-invent and re-invigorate their sound with incredibly inspired masterpieces such as Perfect Symmetry, Parallels, A Pleasant Shade of Grey, and now their latest opus, Theories of Flight.

Admittedly, I was not a huge fan of their last studio offering Darkness In A Different Light. Not that it was a band album by any means, the songs simply didn’t resonate with me and stick with me over repeated listens. This is not the case with Thories In Flight. From the first listen I was drawn in by the atmospheric melancholy intro to From The Rooftops which at the two minute mark transforms into a maelstrom of heavy riffs, a technical barrage of drum work by longtime drummer Bobby Jarzombek, a blistering guest guitar solo from sometimes Fates member Frank Aresti, and a huge catchy chorus that ranks up their with Fates Warning’s best work.

Speaking of catchy choruses and memorable hooks, the next track, Seven Stars is simply a stunning piece that rivals anything on the Parallels album, which is arguably the benchmark for the bands most melodic and most commercially successful period. From start to finish, Seven Stars is a perfect Fates Warning song; a blend of melody, hooks, heaviness, and a soaring, memorable chorus that will stick with you long after the song is over, just begging for another spin.

The next track titled SOS is another intense and immediate heavy yet hook-laden song with an amazing vocal from Ray Alder, whose voice sounds better than it has in years, using his powerful mid-range and talent for finding the perfect vocal melody to capture the vibe of the song and make it his own. When Alder sings the line Sink or Swim during the chorus you feel every word deep in the recesses of your heart and soul.

The Light And Shade of Things is classic Alder-era atmospheric, melancholy, brilliantly performed progressive metal with an intensity and ferocity and passion in Alder’s vocal delivery. Every word that is being sung feels as if its being ripped from the depths of Alder’s very soul. The chorus is huge, emotional, and soaring into the stratosphere. The breakdown mid-song harkens back to the Parallels album, reminiscent of The Road Goes On Forever.

White Flag is a heavier prog metal burner with a great riff and driving rhythm and Aresti once again lends a brilliant shredding guest solo to the proceedings, which fits the songs intensity and power perfectly. Newest touring member Mike Abdow also adds a creative and impressive solo as well.

Alder once again shines on Like Stars Our Eyes Have Seen, singing with passion and intense emotion to convey the songs message as well as the overall theme of the album, which deals with upcoming change — deliberate choices to take a different direction in life, a large part of the album’s overarching themes of transience, disconnection and the search for solid ground. Alder’s lyrics and emotive vocals are beautiful, self-reflection, asking the listener to trust their memories, to hold onto them even as we forge into future unknowns. This songs subject matter as well as the overall lyrical concept hit me especially hard due to current things going on in my personal life and made me really take a deep look at my own inner self, my emotions, and my own sense of being.

Matheos’ lone lyric wrting credit is on the albums magnum opus, the ten minute-plus Ghosts of Home, deals with, as Matheos describes in the albums promotional sheet, “The Ghosts Of Home is me reflecting on how moving frequently as a child — eight times in the first nine years of school — affected and shaped my personality, something I’ve only recently been digging in to. It also references me revisiting a lot of those places as an adult.” The lyrics convey a cathartic release of very personal emotions for the usually reserved Matheos, the quiet yet masterful songwriter. The amazing thing is that no matter how many years go by and how many albums/songs that Matheos writes and records, he still never fails to impress and provide awestruck amazement at his ability to draw emotional responses from the Fates Warning faithful, which as an artist, that would be incredibly rewarding to make the lister feel like they are part of your journey.

The albums final song, the instrumental title track brings the album full circle with an atmospheric textural feel, summing up the albums overall message, talking about various uprootings, escapes…flights, how life is always changing, giving us new experiences, good and bad, and how we deal with these changes, how they affect us, change us, and how we evolve with change. With Theories of Flight, Fates Warning has once again outdone themselves, creating an album that stands tall alongside their best work, as well as proviing to their peers and newer bands who have taken inspiration in their work that this band has much more to say and has plenty left in the tank! If you have ever been a fan of Fates Warning, I urge you to pick up Theories of Flight. You can thank me later!

Rating: 5 stars
http://ladyobscure.com/albums/fates-warning-theories-of-flight/
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: jjrock88 on June 20, 2016, 03:13:27 AM
I would have been content with a decent Fates Warning album.

But I will gladly take a five star album of the year contender instead!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on June 22, 2016, 03:34:39 AM
I would have been content with a decent Fates Warning album.

But I will gladly take a five star album of the year contender instead!

After having listened to this album several times now... We may have just gotten the Fates Warning album. No joking here. It's a top contender imo. Very catchy like Parallels, but it's also a lot heavier and proggier too- Even more so than the Arch/Matheos album was. Any of the "weaker" songs on this album would have been considered a top highlight on DiaDL, I think. This album is really freaking consistent.

Also the hype for The Light and Shade of Things is real; it's definitely going to be on most people's shortlist for Best Fates Song Ever. I'm very tempted to give it that title already myself. Been listening to that one over and over for the past several hours. It reminds me a lot of A Pleasant Shade of Gray, especially the quieter parts.

And yeah, the band and label will be shooting themselves in the foot if they don't put out White Flag as the next single. I love Like Stars Our Eyes Have Seen just as much, but WF is more suited to be a single and make a music video out of, I think.

I'll need to listen to Ghosts of Home a few more times to really wrap around my thoughts on that one- it isn't as good as The Light, but like I said earlier, it would have been a huge highlight on DiaDL, I think. Moreover the subject matter for that song resonates really deeply with me, having been someone who grew up in a military family and moved all around all throughout my childhood, adolescence and young adult life. Both Ghosts and the instrumental title track reminds me a lot of Disconnected. Very Floydian and I think Kevin Moore rubbed off on Jim for that ditty; plenty of soundscapes that weave alongside Jim's guitar work.

Actually, I'll say this much more on Ghosts of Home: It's like if Still Remains and Stained Glass Sky conceived a baby while listening to Porcupine Tree. The only reason I think it might be seen as a letdown by some folks is because it's got the misfortune of being the "other" epic on the same Fates Warning album that has The Light and Shade of Things.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Prog Snob on June 22, 2016, 05:27:45 AM
This is so good so far. I'm reminded mostly of APSOG, but also Parallels and Inside Out.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: bl5150 on June 22, 2016, 05:36:25 AM
My initial impression (need more listens as half the album is not as "immediate" as the other and requires time to grow) is that the album is top tier but won't be touching Parallels in my ratings.  Aside from that I will reserve judgement.   Certainly the most interested I have been in a FW album since the 90's  :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on June 22, 2016, 05:43:23 AM
This is so good so far. I'm reminded mostly of APSOG, but also Parallels and Inside Out.

Yup, but it also reminds me a lot of Arch/Matheos too.

Also Like Stars Our Eyes Have Seen has to be the heaviest song in Fates Warning history. Reminds me a lot of Nevermore! :hefdaddy :metal

My initial impression (need more listens as half the album is not as "immediate" as the other and requires time to grow) is that the album is top tier but won't be touching Parallels in my ratings.  Aside from that I will reserve judgement.   Certainly the most interested I have been in a FW album since the 90's  :metal

It's definitely a tough call between Fates' best albums imo. I've really come to appreciate Parallels a lot more lately than I used to, but Theories definitely appeals more to my personal tastes.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: ariich on June 22, 2016, 07:36:34 AM
Yeah this is a really strong album - leagues ahead of the last one. Hard to say how it'll rank eventually, but from a first listen it's definitely up there among their best.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Prog Snob on June 22, 2016, 09:02:37 AM
Agreed. It'll probably wind up after Parallels and APSOG for me. After the first listen, I feel it has potential to surpass Inside Out in my list and become a Top 3 album.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: bosk1 on June 22, 2016, 09:07:47 AM
Yeah this is a really strong album - leagues ahead of the last one. Hard to say how it'll rank eventually, but from a first listen it's definitely up there among their best.
Wow.  The last one is my favorite Fates album, so that is high praise indeed.  Can't wait to check it out.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: ariich on June 22, 2016, 09:10:58 AM
Yeah this is a really strong album - leagues ahead of the last one. Hard to say how it'll rank eventually, but from a first listen it's definitely up there among their best.
Wow.  The last one is my favorite Fates album, so that is high praise indeed.  Can't wait to check it out.
Ok, well I was only going by my own opinions, but I found the last album solid enough but weaker. For reference, may favourites of their albums are (in chronological order) APSOG, Disconnected and FWX.

Although I'm finding the new album in some ways less experimental than those ones were (which is part of why I like them so much), it's very strong melodically, and superbly produced. I can sort of see why some are comparing it to the Arch/Matheos album, though I think this could be even better.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: bosk1 on June 22, 2016, 09:20:58 AM
Yeah this is a really strong album - leagues ahead of the last one. Hard to say how it'll rank eventually, but from a first listen it's definitely up there among their best.
Wow.  The last one is my favorite Fates album, so that is high praise indeed.  Can't wait to check it out.
Ok, well I was only going by my own opinions, but I found the last album solid enough but weaker. For reference, may favourites of their albums are (in chronological order) APSOG, Disconnected and FWX.

Although I'm finding the new album in some ways less experimental than those ones were (which is part of why I like them so much), it's very strong melodically, and superbly produced. I can sort of see why some are comparing it to the Arch/Matheos album, though I think this could be even better.

No, no.  Fair enough.  I'm not really much of a Fates Warning guy.  As I have said in the past, they are one of those bands where, "on paper," I should love them.  But they have never really done anything for me for some reason.  I like the last album a lot, liked X a lot, but didn't really like any of their prior albums much at all, with the possible exception of Parallels, which I would say is "okay."  So my ranking would be:
1.  Darkness In a Different Light
2.  X
3.  Parallels
...everything else

But I loved Arch/Matheos.  It was a contender for album of the year, and I still love to spin it. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: ariich on June 22, 2016, 09:28:12 AM
Yeah I'm really similar with FW. Like you, they're the kind of band I should like on paper, but I only really dig about half their albums (at most), and the rest, while usually solid, I'm pretty lukewarm towards (which includes Darkness).

Based on what you just said (including your love of Arch/Matheos), I expect you to like this one. It really is very strong. I now feel silly for not rushing to download the promo when it came through - someone else was writing the review for this one, and I was lukewarm on Darkness, so didn't feel there was any urgency.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mebert78 on June 22, 2016, 10:52:11 AM
Sounds like FW was really close to doing a few shows playing APSOG in its entirety with Kevin Moore to celebrate its reissue last year.  Totally sucks that it didn't happen.  Argh!!

Link: http://staticagemag.com/post/ray-alder-from-fates-warning

Q: Could you imagine doing a "No Exit" special show for Keep it True or Headbanger's Open Air or some such special occasion?
A: I don't know, maybe, who knows what's down the line... I don't know if I can sing that shit anymore. I could find my way to doing it, but we did that kind of thing for "Parallels", and we wanted to do it for the re-release of "A Pleasant Shade of Grey", but Mark Zonder didn't want to do it, so... we really were looking forward to do that, and we even wanted to bring Kevin Moore out for a couple of shows, which would've been amazing, but since Mark didn't want to do it, which just put it to the side. But we actually played with the idea of having Bobby come out and do it, but Bobby wasn't very happy about it, he didnt' really want to do it - so you have to respect everybody's wishes. Maybe, who knows. maybe some time in the future.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Evermind on June 22, 2016, 10:53:50 AM
Yeah, I mean, I liked Darkness in a Different Light, but I listened to it and the new one a few times back to back and there's no contest for me. Theories of Flight is miles ahead.

I think the song run from From the Rooftops to White Flag is flawless, Like Stars Our Eyes Have Seen is also pretty great but a bit weaker then everything that came before, and while The Ghosts of Home loses me with the intro and the first verse, it gets my attention back with "Home again" parts. And the final track is beautiful. Now that I'm familiar with the album, like 10-12 spins in, I really think there are no weak tracks at all, and most of them are at least great.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: NoseofNicko on June 22, 2016, 11:15:36 AM
Just finished listening to it for the first time and I already think it's great. :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Prog Snob on June 22, 2016, 11:17:40 AM
 :metal  I'm going to listen to it again. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Darkness in a Different Light
Post by: Mister Gold on June 22, 2016, 02:11:50 PM
Yeah, I mean, I liked Darkness in a Different Light, but I listened to it and the new one a few times back to back and there's no contest for me. Theories of Flight is miles ahead.

I think the song run from From the Rooftops to White Flag is flawless, Like Stars Our Eyes Have Seen is also pretty great but a bit weaker then everything that came before, and while The Ghosts of Home loses me with the intro and the first verse, it gets my attention back with "Home again" parts. And the final track is beautiful. Now that I'm familiar with the album, like 10-12 spins in, I really think there are no weak tracks at all, and most of them are at least great.

Yeah, there really isn't a weak track on this album at all. However I personally like LSOEHS more than Seven Stars or SOS though personally (though they're all pretty spectacular)! :hat Having said that, White Flag is almost definitely the best short song on this album. Just... ooph! :metal

It'll be interesting to see how the band decides to decide about which of these songs to play live.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 22, 2016, 02:49:53 PM
I was pretty surprised with second solo in White Flag, it feels more like something from melodic thrash band (Megadeth) than Fates Warning.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Mister Gold on June 22, 2016, 05:48:07 PM
I was pretty surprised with second solo in White Flag, it feels more like something from melodic thrash band (Megadeth) than Fates Warning.

Yeah, it's definitely a different sort of solo for Fates, but I really liked it! Definitely hope Mike Abdow gets to contribute more solos or possibly even some songwriting in future albums! :metal

Also, did anyone else notice that Jim reused the main riff from Stained Glass Sky on The Ghosts of Home? :lol
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Mebert78 on June 23, 2016, 08:45:45 AM
I was thinking a bit more deeply about the album's artwork last night, and my interpretation is that in order to truly fly and appreciate the act of flight we need to experience being confined/trapped/caged in some way.  That's why the middle bird on the flight path is confined -- it's symbolic of the obstacles in our flight path that make us withdraw and isolate ourselves, whether a broken heart, loss of a loved one, etc.  Once we push through those low points and gain an appreciation for flight and happiness, the act of flight is much sweeter. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: SoundscapeMN on June 23, 2016, 09:01:55 AM
Theories may become really addictive. the 1st 4 tracks have this great, *FW-energy* to sound sort of cheesy.  I feel like I'm listening to an album that sounds like Parallels, APOSG, Disconnected and XV yet is very modern.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Mebert78 on June 23, 2016, 09:50:16 AM
A guitar playthrough video of "White Flag" by Matheos, Aresti and Abdow: http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/fates-warning-guitar-playthrough-video-for-new-song-white-flag/

"No surrender -- Don't give up!"
"No surrender -- Now get up!"
"Rise and bury your white flag..."

\m/
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 23, 2016, 10:12:21 AM
A guitar playthrough video of "White Flag" by Matheos, Aresti and Abdow: http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/fates-warning-guitar-playthrough-video-for-new-song-white-flag/

That song is awesome. Can't wait for next week
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Mister Gold on June 23, 2016, 11:10:43 AM
A guitar playthrough video of "White Flag" by Matheos, Aresti and Abdow: http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/fates-warning-guitar-playthrough-video-for-new-song-white-flag/

"No surrender -- Don't give up!"
"No surrender -- Now get up!"
"Rise and bury your white flag..."

\m/

That's so great to see Jim, Mike and Frank all playing their parts for this song! :D I'm still hoping we get a proper music video for this song though! :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: bosk1 on June 23, 2016, 11:16:14 AM
This is my first exposure to the album.  I really like what I am hearing. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Scorpion on June 23, 2016, 12:37:56 PM
So, I'm on my first listen.

From the Rooftops alone beats everything on Darkness, except maybe Falling Further.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on June 23, 2016, 02:39:04 PM
Brilliant, this album is gonna be a monster.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: jjrock88 on June 23, 2016, 03:25:04 PM
Brilliant, this album is gonna be a monster.

 :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: bl5150 on June 23, 2016, 03:55:40 PM
White Flag is awesome but I wouldn't call it representative of the album.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: abydos on June 23, 2016, 04:00:44 PM
Wow, that's a really great song. Was a bit disappointed they chose another guitar driven album after the previous one but from what I've heard, it's gonna be guuuuuuuuud. Frank fucking killed it.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: pogoowner on June 23, 2016, 04:01:24 PM
I haven't heard the album yet (unlike many of you, it seems :lol), but I'm hoping for plenty of heavy riffs in the vein of Arch/Matheos.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Kwyjibo on June 23, 2016, 11:52:45 PM
Heard it once so far and it's good. But I don't see this one blowing Darkness out of the water (yet?). That's not to say that ToF is bad, it's just that I really really like Darkness.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: kaos2900 on June 24, 2016, 06:36:03 AM
Just curious, what are the songs on the second disc?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Mebert78 on June 24, 2016, 09:15:51 AM
Does anyone know how often Ray has written lyrics in the past?  It's not something I've followed too closely with FW -- who wrote lyrics to which songs.  I ask because I know he wrote all of the lyrics on the new album (except for "Ghosts of Home") and his lyrics are really resonating with me.  I don't know if he stepped up his lyric writing, or if I just overlooked his lyrical prowess in the past.  I believe Jim wrote all of APSOG, which is my top FW album, so I've always wanted him to write lyrics since then.  But now, I'm loving Ray's stuff!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: SoundscapeMN on June 24, 2016, 09:17:19 AM
Just curious, what are the songs on the second disc?

CD2 – Acoustic Bonus Disc:
1. Firefly (03:15, previously unreleased)
2. Seven Stars (04:25, previously unreleased)
3. Another Perfect Day (03:25, previously unreleased)
4. Pray Your Gods (03:45, Toad The Wet Sprocket cover version)
5. Adela (02:25, Joaquin Rodrigo cover version)
6. Rain (04:03, Uriah Heep cover version)
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: goo-goo on June 24, 2016, 09:22:23 AM
Ray hasn't had any much of lyrical input until Darkness and Theories. All of the lyrics from Parallels, Inside Out, and APSOG were written by Jim.

Disconnected had one or two songs where the lyrics were written by Ray (One, Pieces, Something from Nothing).

FWX had Simple Human, Heal Me and Crawl written by Ray (lyrics).

Darkness had One Thousand Fires, Firefly, Desire, Falling, I am, Lighthouse, Into the Black were co-written by Jim and Ray (with the exception of I am, which Bobby has a writing credit and Aresti on One Thousand Fires).

I think one of the reviews pointed out that The Ghosts of Home was the only lyrical contribution by Jim this time.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: sfam2112 on June 24, 2016, 10:55:14 AM
Ray hasn't had any much of lyrical input until Darkness and Theories. All of the lyrics from Parallels, Inside Out, and APSOG were written by Jim.


If memory serves, he wrote the lyrics for "Down To The Wire". But, yeah, he's definitely stepped up lyrically over the last couple albums. :)
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Evermind on June 24, 2016, 11:24:37 AM
I think one of the reviews pointed out that The Ghosts of Home was the only lyrical contribution by Jim this time.

That's true. Here's the quote from the promo press file:

Quote
As main lyricist, vocalist Ray Alder had plenty of musical emotion to work with. Themes of upcoming change --
deliberate choices to take a different direction in life – are a large part of the album’s overarching themes of
transience, disconnection and the search for solid ground. Alder’s writing and passionate singing in “Like Stars Our
Eyes Have Seen” is beautifully reflective, urging us to trust our memories, to hold onto them even as we forge into
future unknowns: “See the dark road that’s ahead / Lit by memories you knew / Now the ghosts begin to follow /
Let it all come back to you.”

Matheos’s sole lyric credit is an especially personal one. “‘The Ghosts Of Home’ is me reflecting on how moving
frequently as a child -- eight times in the first nine years of school -- affected and shaped my personality,
something I’ve only recently been digging in to. It also references me revisiting a lot of those places as an adult.
Similarly, a lot of Ray’s lyrics touch on a big move or change coming for him, although by choice. So, we’re both
talking about various uprootings, escapes…flights.”

I thought Alder nailed it lyrically on this album. The Light and Shade of Things isn't only the best song music-wise, I also think it's wonderful lyric-wise. Been a while I've enjoyed the lyrics from a heavy / progressive metal band that much.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Mister Gold on June 24, 2016, 08:06:11 PM
I think one of the reviews pointed out that The Ghosts of Home was the only lyrical contribution by Jim this time.

That's true. Here's the quote from the promo press file:

Quote
As main lyricist, vocalist Ray Alder had plenty of musical emotion to work with. Themes of upcoming change --
deliberate choices to take a different direction in life – are a large part of the album’s overarching themes of
transience, disconnection and the search for solid ground. Alder’s writing and passionate singing in “Like Stars Our
Eyes Have Seen” is beautifully reflective, urging us to trust our memories, to hold onto them even as we forge into
future unknowns: “See the dark road that’s ahead / Lit by memories you knew / Now the ghosts begin to follow /
Let it all come back to you.”

Matheos’s sole lyric credit is an especially personal one. “‘The Ghosts Of Home’ is me reflecting on how moving
frequently as a child -- eight times in the first nine years of school -- affected and shaped my personality,
something I’ve only recently been digging in to. It also references me revisiting a lot of those places as an adult.
Similarly, a lot of Ray’s lyrics touch on a big move or change coming for him, although by choice. So, we’re both
talking about various uprootings, escapes…flights.”

I thought Alder nailed it lyrically on this album. The Light and Shade of Things isn't only the best song music-wise, I also think it's wonderful lyric-wise. Been a while I've enjoyed the lyrics from a heavy / progressive metal band that much.

Yeah, Ray's lyrics on this album are pretty freaking great. TLaSoT is a great example, but I'm also really fond of his lyrics for SOS and Like Stars Our Eyes Have Seen too.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Mebert78 on June 27, 2016, 08:26:05 PM
It has arrived.

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Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Cyclopssss on June 28, 2016, 12:35:24 AM
I absolutely love Ghosts of Home.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: bl5150 on June 28, 2016, 01:09:16 AM
Still on my FW marathon and will attempt to rank everything along with the new one.  One thing I have realised is that I think I made a mistake not including Parallels in my DTF Top 50.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on June 28, 2016, 05:31:40 AM
Still on my FW marathon and will attempt to rank everything along with the new one.  One thing I have realised is that I think I made a mistake not including Parallels in my DTF Top 50.

I like everything about this post.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Awaken on June 28, 2016, 07:18:44 AM
It has arrived.

(https://s31.postimg.org/iip442sxj/20160627_183903_1.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/iip442sxj/)

Mine came yesterday, as well.  Darkness was a great welcome back, this effort is really making me wonder (yet again) why it is that this band isn't bigger than they are. 

I haven't stopped listening, I love FW release day!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on June 28, 2016, 07:34:48 AM
Still on my FW marathon and will attempt to rank everything along with the new one.  One thing I have realised is that I think I made a mistake not including Parallels in my DTF Top 50.

When I started The TAC Top 50, I had a master list of about 80 albums. Even though Parallels is far and away my favorite FW album, it didn't make the list. I suppose it would make the Top 100 though, so if I ever do a v.2, it could be there.
The 1-2 punch of Parallels/Inside Out, to me, is FW at their best.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: sfam2112 on June 28, 2016, 01:09:13 PM
I absolutely love Ghosts of Home.

Probably my favorite song on the album.  :tup
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: jjrock88 on June 28, 2016, 01:12:16 PM
Still on my FW marathon and will attempt to rank everything along with the new one.  One thing I have realised is that I think I made a mistake not including Parallels in my DTF Top 50.

When I started The TAC Top 50, I had a master list of about 80 albums. Even though Parallels is far and away my favorite FW album, it didn't make the list. I suppose it would make the Top 100 though, so if I ever do a v.2, it could be there.
The 1-2 punch of Parallels/Inside Out, to me, is FW at their best.

Add Perfect Symmetry to those two for me and you have my favorites from FW.  But it sounds like this new one has potential to join those three at the top
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on June 28, 2016, 02:05:44 PM
It's funny how much love Parallels gets from the "metal guys".
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: abydos on June 28, 2016, 02:08:39 PM
Parallels is almost a perfect album. Hard to diss it, metal or not.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on June 28, 2016, 02:12:14 PM
Yup, a great album.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 28, 2016, 02:12:44 PM
Parallels is Images and Words before Images and Words :D
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: pogoowner on June 28, 2016, 03:27:14 PM
It's funny how much love Parallels gets from the "metal guys".
I've never really understood the love for it. I like all of their albums, but Parallels is certainly not in the upper echelon of Fates Warning material for me.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on June 28, 2016, 03:39:39 PM
I am certainly not the biggest fates guy around. Their catalog is so varied but I find most of their albums very uneven. Not that it's any different than any other band. But Parallels seems pretty flawless throughout. They are truly firing on all cylinders.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: pogoowner on June 28, 2016, 03:45:41 PM
I am certainly not the biggest fates guy around. Their catalog is so varied but I find most of their albums very uneven. Not that it's any different than any other band. But Parallels seems pretty flawless throughout. They are truly firing on all cylinders.
Actually, I shouldn't say that I don't understand the love for it. It has a lot of catchy material. It has a more "glossy," radio-friendly sort of feel. It has an appeal, certainly. There's just a good chunk of it that I don't find interesting.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on June 28, 2016, 03:49:19 PM
That's cool. I have been fairly critical of FW in the past for sure. I find Parallels right in their sweet spot.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: devieira73 on June 28, 2016, 04:07:58 PM
Parallels is Images and Words before Images and Words :D
In fact, Parallels is more like Empire after Empire :lol
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on June 28, 2016, 04:40:39 PM
Images And Words is genre defining. Parallels really doesn't get to that level.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: jammindude on June 28, 2016, 05:54:51 PM
I am certainly not the biggest fates guy around. Their catalog is so varied but I find most of their albums very uneven. Not that it's any different than any other band. But Parallels seems pretty flawless throughout. They are truly firing on all cylinders.
Actually, I shouldn't say that I don't understand the love for it. It has a lot of catchy material. It has a more "glossy," radio-friendly sort of feel. It has an appeal, certainly. There's just a good chunk of it that I don't find interesting.

THIS

I never got it.   I had been a fan since Spectre, and I really thought they totally peaked with Perfect Symmetry.  Parallels was a let down to me.   Life in Still Water and The Eleventh Hour are amazing.   And I suppose I've grown more fond of it over the years.   In spite of the glossy production and a couple of overly commercial pieces, it's really not quite as big a "sell out" that I thought it was at the time. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 28, 2016, 06:37:46 PM
I just want to say that it is so nice waiting 3 years and not 9 for a new album. That 9 years was excruciating.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on June 28, 2016, 06:51:53 PM


I never got it.   I had been a fan since Spectre, and I really thought they totally peaked with Perfect Symmetry.  Parallels was a let down to me.   Life in Still Water and The Eleventh Hour are amazing.   And I suppose I've grown more fond of it over the years.   In spite of the glossy production and a couple of overly commercial pieces, it's really not quite as big a "sell out" that I thought it was at the time.

I can see how you might've thought it was a letdown. It's a lot less metal than the Arch albums and No Exit, and a lot less progressive than PS. But Fates felt like a band that seemed like they were in search of that something special. A sound, a style. It took me a couple of listens as well, but it hit m that THIS is where Fates fires the most on.

J-Dude, you must've really disliked Inside Out!


I just want to say that it is so nice waiting 3 years and not 9 for a new album. That 9 years was excruciating.

The lack of material has always been my biggest criticism of the band.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Mister Gold on June 28, 2016, 07:00:37 PM
I am certainly not the biggest fates guy around. Their catalog is so varied but I find most of their albums very uneven. Not that it's any different than any other band. But Parallels seems pretty flawless throughout. They are truly firing on all cylinders.
Actually, I shouldn't say that I don't understand the love for it. It has a lot of catchy material. It has a more "glossy," radio-friendly sort of feel. It has an appeal, certainly. There's just a good chunk of it that I don't find interesting.

THIS

I never got it.   I had been a fan since Spectre, and I really thought they totally peaked with Perfect Symmetry.  Parallels was a let down to me.   Life in Still Water and The Eleventh Hour are amazing.   And I suppose I've grown more fond of it over the years.   In spite of the glossy production and a couple of overly commercial pieces, it's really not quite as big a "sell out" that I thought it was at the time.

Having been a Fates fan for the past four years or so, it's taken me literally four years to get into Parallels. I've only started to appreciate it for what it is over the past month or so... still, I don't think I rank it as the band's absolute best.

Not when this is the same band that gave us Awaken the Guardian, Perfect Symmetry, A Pleasant Shade of Grey and now Theories of Flight too.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: bosk1 on June 28, 2016, 07:16:08 PM
I am certainly not the biggest fates guy around. Their catalog is so varied but I find most of their albums very uneven. Not that it's any different than any other band. But Parallels seems pretty flawless throughout. They are truly firing on all cylinders.
Actually, I shouldn't say that I don't understand the love for it. It has a lot of catchy material. It has a more "glossy," radio-friendly sort of feel. It has an appeal, certainly. There's just a good chunk of it that I don't find interesting.
I agree.  And while it is their most commercially successful, it is not in the same tier as either Images & Words or Empire.  Beyond the commercial success aspect, it really has little in common with those albums.  As TAC put it:
Images And Words is genre defining. Parallels really doesn't get to that level.

That said, that isn't really a knock on the album.  Until X, I can't say that I ever really liked Fates Warning, other than a song or two here and there.  But Parallels was the closest they came to hooking me.  I definitely appreciate it more now in hindsight.  But it is still very rare that I actually spin it (or any of the early Fates albums, for that matter).
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Mister Gold on June 28, 2016, 07:23:41 PM
To Parallels' credit, I think it's a better Empire than Empire is.

The only reason it isn't as frequently considered to be in the same tier of albums as Empire is because of the unfortunate luck Fates Warning had with timing (it came out like a month after Nevermind did, I think).
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: bosk1 on June 28, 2016, 07:32:43 PM
To Parallels' credit, I think it's a better Empire than Empire is.

I don't really understand what this means.

The only reason it isn't as frequently considered to be in the same tier of albums as Empire is because of the unfortunate luck Fates Warning had with timing (it came out like a month after Nevermind did, I think).

No, the reason it isn't as frequently considered to be in the same tier of albums is because most don't consider it to be as strong an album as Empire.  Timing has nothing to do with it.

Not to mention the fact that, by your logic, Images & Words should not be highly regarded either, since it came out after Facelift, Apple, Nevermind, Ten, Badmotorfinger, Temple of the Dog, etc.  But that clearly is not the case.  It is highly regarded despite coming out in the middle of the "grunge craze" because it is a strong, dare I say "genre defining," album.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on June 28, 2016, 07:46:10 PM
Bosk, I would think that Parallels would be right up your alley.
I've actually never cared for X. I remember creating a thread where I forced myself to do a review of it. Not sure if it was here or on Samsara's site. I think it was there. I gained an appreciation for it, but it's still my least favorite.


While Perfect Symmetry maybe their most technical album pre APSOG, I&W really took off as it appealed to musicians. Dream Theater became a "musician's" band and really gave them a strong foothold within that community. And I think that was really what propelled Dream Theater in those early days. The thing about it was even if it was technical, it was still accessible.

Perfect Symmetry, while technical, isn't as accessible. Parallels, while accessible, isn't as technical. As Images & Words, that is.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Mister Gold on June 28, 2016, 07:54:43 PM
To Parallels' credit, I think it's a better Empire than Empire is.

I don't really understand what this means.

That's me being me. I'm not much of a fan of Empire, save for Anybody Listening? (which is probably the band's best song). As far as a more "commercialized effort" from a band that sounds like a cross between Iron Maiden and Pink Floyd goes, I'd say Parallels is the one that catches my ear more.

But that is purely my opinion. Feel free to disagree with me on that one, as I'd wager most folks out there do.

Quote
The only reason it isn't as frequently considered to be in the same tier of albums as Empire is because of the unfortunate luck Fates Warning had with timing (it came out like a month after Nevermind did, I think).

No, the reason it isn't as frequently considered to be in the same tier of albums is because most don't consider it to be as strong an album as Empire.  Timing has nothing to do with it.

Not to mention the fact that, by your logic, Images & Words should not be highly regarded either, since it came out after Facelift, Apple, Nevermind, Ten, Badmotorfinger, Temple of the Dog, etc.  But that clearly is not the case.  It is highly regarded despite coming out in the middle of the "grunge craze" because it is a strong, dare I say "genre defining," album.

I think someone described I&W's success timing-wise over Parallels pretty well over at the Breakdown Room: By the time I&W came out, the grunge movement had already established itself and people knew whether they liked it or not. Parallels came out just as the movement was getting its first kicks and was "the hot new thing."

Moreover, I've also heard something to the effect that Metal Blade Records dropped pretty much all financial backing for Fates Warning while they were in the middle of supporting of Parallels to instead support some other band that ended up exploding in popularity briefly instead. So I'd argue that there's also a business factor that comes into play here too.

Now, to be perfectly fair and upfront, I wasn't even born yet when either albums were released (1993, yo). So this is all coming from someone who wasn't there to witness the whole thing firsthand... but from as far as I can tell, there are other factors going on with the success stories for Queensryche and Dream Theater over Fates Warning than merely their "genre defining" albums and that comes down to the business end of the spectrum.

And, as TAC already pointed out earlier, the band made the big mistake of being slower with their album releases from 2000 onward. It took them four years to follow up on Disconnected with FWX and then another nine years to put out Darkness in a Different Light. While I doubt the band would have ever gotten the sort of success that QR or DT did back in the late 80's/early 90's from that timeframe, I think the band could have jumped up a bit in the name recognition.

Hell, an argument could be made that the band was too slow to follow up on Parallels. It took them three years to get back on the saddle and make Inside Out and then another three years for A Pleasant Shade of Grey and the same for Disconnected.

Bosk, I would think that Parallels would be right up your alley.
I've actually never cared for X. I remember creating a thread where I forced myself to do a review of it. Not sure if it was here or on Samsara's site. I think it was there. I gained an appreciation for it, but it's still my least favorite.


While Perfect Symmetry maybe their most technical album pre APSOG, I&W really took off as it appealed to musicians. Dream Theater became a "musician's" band and really gave them a strong foothold within that community. And I think that was really what propelled Dream Theater in those early days. The thing about it was even if it was technical, it was still accessible.

Perfect Symmetry, while technical, isn't as accessible. Parallels, while accessible, isn't as technical. As Images & Words, that is.

While I rank Perfect Symmetry over pretty much every DT album, save for maybe Awake, I'd agree that it's not as accessible as I&W. You bring up a good point on the balance I&W has over both PS and Parallels in that it's both catchy and technical.

Still, I maintain that Fates Warning probably had a business problem that factored into their lack of commercial success when compared to QR and DT.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: jammindude on June 28, 2016, 08:01:22 PM


I never got it.   I had been a fan since Spectre, and I really thought they totally peaked with Perfect Symmetry.  Parallels was a let down to me.   Life in Still Water and The Eleventh Hour are amazing.   And I suppose I've grown more fond of it over the years.   In spite of the glossy production and a couple of overly commercial pieces, it's really not quite as big a "sell out" that I thought it was at the time.

I can see how you might've thought it was a letdown. It's a lot less metal than the Arch albums and No Exit, and a lot less progressive than PS. But Fates felt like a band that seemed like they were in search of that something special. A sound, a style. It took me a couple of listens as well, but it hit m that THIS is where Fates fires the most on.

J-Dude, you must've really disliked Inside Out!

I grew to really like Parallels more than I did when I first heard it.   It was more progressive than I gave it credit for when I first heard it. 

Inside Out OTOH, was just a very bland album.    You know how totally tired and generally "done" Joey looks on the band photo?  That's a perfect reflection of what that album feels like to me.     Like Parallels was their *one big chance* that got missed, and now they are wandering back into the studio with an air of defeat about them.     There are some gems.   Island in the Stream is good.   Pale Fire is excellent.   Monument is also excellent.    But even the good stuff lacks punch.    Monument LIVE was almost a different song.

At least Parallels had a hunger to it.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: bosk1 on June 28, 2016, 08:05:54 PM
Bosk, I would think that Parallels would be right up your alley.
I've actually never cared for X. I remember creating a thread where I forced myself to do a review of it. Not sure if it was here or on Samsara's site. I think it was there. I gained an appreciation for it, but it's still my least favorite.

As I've said before, I'm not sure what it is, but I just don't care for their earlier sound, in all its permutations.  On paper, they are a band I "should" like.  But when it comes to their earlier stuff, I just can't connect with it. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on June 28, 2016, 08:06:09 PM
FW had NOTHING for promotion. I do remember a flimsy 45 included with an issue of Kerrang when Ray Alder joined of Anarchy Divine.

Having seen the I&W tour a number of times, each show had increasingly larger crowds. And PMU was not played much around here. In fact, I don't ever remember hearing it on the radio. After a few months, they had a pretty low budget video, which did open up some eyes, but DT had a groundswell of word of mouth support. But it was all based on the musicianship of the band. THAT was the draw.




I grew to really like Parallels more than I did when I first heard it.   It was more progressive than I gave it credit for when I first heard it. 

Inside Out OTOH, was just a very bland album.    You know how totally tired and generally "done" Joey looks on the band photo?  That's a perfect reflection of what that album feels like to me.     Like Parallels was their *one big chance* that got missed, and now they are wandering back into the studio with an air of defeat about them.     There are some gems.   Island in the Stream is good.   Pale Fire is excellent.   Monument is also excellent.    But even the good stuff lacks punch.    Monument LIVE was almost a different song.

I like Inside Out. It's like Journey, where their earlier stuff was more technical or adventurous, but Escape hits the sweet spot. Parallels-Inside Out, to me, are like hard rock Journey albums. Or something like that.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: bl5150 on June 28, 2016, 08:10:11 PM
I seem to have a lot less perception of the huge difference between Perfect Symmetry and Parallels - songs like Through Different Eyes sound like they could easily be on Parallels.  Sure - perhaps the most heavy and technical moments on PS are heavier and more technical but overall I would rate the difference between Mindcrime and Empire as far greater than the difference between Perfect Symmetry and Parallels.

FWX was the only Fates album I hadn't heard until this week and I found it one of their weaker efforts. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: goo-goo on June 28, 2016, 08:23:08 PM
For me, Fates has become my favorite band. The lyrics and the musics...just a perfect blend. They just displaced Dream Theater...Jim is probably my all time favorite musician. His output has been flawless in my opinion. But that is just me.

Ray just hit a home run with his performance on Theories of Flight. I think the last two albums are the sound that the band was aiming/looking for. With Theories, they took a step further and I absolute love this album. I think it's perfect. Sound wise, it's beautiful. Perfect mix in my opinion. Anyways, The Ghost of Home, from the 7 min mark to about the 8:30....what a beautiful passage. This album sounds like a perfect blend of Disconnected and Darkness with some Parallels in it.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: abydos on June 28, 2016, 08:42:24 PM
Another amazing thing that FW has done as a whole is to adapt to the changes in Ray's voice over time. Yeah, it's a damn shame that he was boozing and smoking for years and has completely eliminated his upper register, but he still has a beautiful voice and the way they utilize it doesn't sound forced. Not once I come out thinking "this is great but it would have been even better if he could go higher". It's just a perfect fit.

Something I wish DT/James would do.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Mister Gold on June 28, 2016, 09:18:54 PM
Another amazing thing that FW has done as a whole is to adapt to the changes in Ray's voice over time. Yeah, it's a damn shame that he was boozing and smoking for years and has completely eliminated his upper register, but he still has a beautiful voice and the way they utilize it doesn't sound forced. Not once I come out thinking "this is great but it would have been even better if he could go higher". It's just a perfect fit.

Something I wish DT/James would do.

I absolutely agree. Moreover, it's a testament to Ray's ability as a singer that he's managed to adapt as a singer too. He's lost a lot of his upper range over the years, but I'd argue his lower and mid-range have both blossomed from APSoG onward.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: bosk1 on June 28, 2016, 09:24:36 PM
Another amazing thing that FW has done as a whole is to adapt to the changes in Ray's voice over time. Yeah, it's a damn shame that he was boozing and smoking for years and has completely eliminated his upper register, but he still has a beautiful voice and the way they utilize it doesn't sound forced. Not once I come out thinking "this is great but it would have been even better if he could go higher". It's just a perfect fit.

Something I wish DT/James would do.

I absolutely agree. Moreover, it's a testament to Ray's ability as a singer that he's managed to adapt as a singer too. He's lost a lot of his upper range over the years, but I'd argue his lower and mid-range have both blossomed from APSoG onward.

I agree with all of that (except Abydos' comment about DT/James, which makes no sense to me).  I think this is one of the reasons I took so quickly to Redemption from Snowfall onward.  To me, Ray really shines on those albums.  I don't really care for his higher vocals.  I just don't like the timbre of his voice when he is wailing.  But he sounds great to me in his mid and lower registers.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: SoundscapeMN on June 28, 2016, 10:17:05 PM
Parallels has always been a record I've enjoyed, and it was maybe the easiest album to get into initially.

I guess it is early on with Theories, but if I had to rank their catalog,

APSOG
Disconnected
No Exit
Perfect Symmetry
Spectre Within
Theories of Flight
Parallels
Awaken the Guardian
FWX
Inside Out
Darkness in a Different Light
Night on Brocken

so it's in the middle, although after Disconnected, I guess I see all the records down to FWX being about or slightly above 4-stars.

By the way, I made a video on YouTube awhile back showing my collection, if any fans have 15 minutes to kill  :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGqY7QE7kV0
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: bl5150 on June 28, 2016, 11:29:30 PM
FWIW here is my ranking.  I have listened to the new album 3 times and all the others twice over the last week or two.  I have divided them into rating groups and , as I expected , the 1988-1994 period dominates.  It's nice to have an album from the more modern era that slots in up there.  I would say that my favourite songs on the other 90's albums might edge those on Theories of Flight (White Flag aside) , but the new album is just so consistent and has given my interest in the band a much needed shot of adrenaline.

90%+

Parallels


Theories of Flight
No Exit
Inside Out
Perfect Symmetry


80-89%


Night on Brocken (scrapes in with 80%)

 70-79%

Disconnected


Darkness In A Different Light
FWX
A Pleasant Shade of Grey
The Spectre Within
Awaken The Guardian
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Prog Snob on June 29, 2016, 05:20:51 AM
Damn...Night on Brocken beats out APSOG. For me, NoB is their worst.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on June 29, 2016, 05:34:15 AM
Interesting rankings indeed Brent.  Good to see the new one getting rated so high. Looking forward to it and hopefully can pick it up this weekend.

I love Disconnected, probably top 3 for me behind Parallels and Inside Out.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Mister Gold on June 29, 2016, 07:35:02 AM
I feel a bit ill at seeing Awaken the Guardian being ranked at the absolute bottom of the list, even over Night on Brocken. That was the album that got me into Fates Warning to begin with... :'(

Still, interesting rankings, Brent. Even if I do disagree with 'em! :lol
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: goo-goo on June 29, 2016, 07:54:49 AM
My rankings:

-Theories
-Disconnected
-FWX
-Parallels
-Darkness
-APSOG
-Inside Out
-PS
-NE

The John Arch era unfortunately doesn't do much for me but Sympathetic Resonace became a desert island disc for me..LOL.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: bl5150 on June 29, 2016, 07:56:06 AM
I'm obviously not a huge Arch fan -  Brocken just had a couple of songs I really liked in an early Queensryche sorta style and to me his voice was a bit better controlled than on the later albums.    The more modern Alder albums are quality but nothing really stands out to me.   That's why Theories is so refreshing - it has an energy that they have been missing for a long time.

APSOG is an interesting one, and I know it's highly regarded around here.   I think when it comes down to it , I come at this more from a metal and melody perspective (as a priority) and the prog is nice if the first two click and it all works as a unit.    I am a bit the same with DT -  I&W was #2 all time in my DTF Top 50 but I rarely feel the need to listen to ToT or SC as I get prog fatigue and not enough structure/melody.   I also really struggle with concept albums that are missing strong individual songs - or albums where I feel the concept is forcing the lyrics/melodies to places they may not naturally go.   I don't subscribe to the idea of "you need to listen to it as a whole ".   If I don't like the individual songs then it ain't happenin' for me with the concept and , as such , I also rank SFAM lower than most in the DTF list.

The thing that stood out for me on APSOG was Zonder's drumming and I am not normally one to notice drummers :D

So hey..........it's just me :lol
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Scorpion on June 29, 2016, 07:57:50 AM
Oh hey, rankings. What would DTF be without them.

1. Disconnected
2. Theories of Flight
3. A Pleasant Shade of Grey

4. No Exit
5. Darkness in a Different Light
6. Awaken the Guardian

7. Parallels
8. The Spectre Within

I still have to get around to checking out Night on Brocken, Perfect Symmetry, Inside Out and FWX.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Prog Snob on June 29, 2016, 08:24:15 AM
I'm obviously not a huge Arch fan -  Brocken just had a couple of songs I really liked in an early Queensryche sorta style and to me his voice was a bit better controlled than on the later albums.    The more modern Alder albums are quality but nothing really stands out to me.   That's why Theories is so refreshing - it has an energy that they have been missing for a long time.

APSOG is an interesting one, and I know it's highly regarded around here.   I think when it comes down to it , I come at this more from a metal and melody perspective (as a priority) and the prog is nice if the first two click and it all works as a unit.    I am a bit the same with DT -  I&W was #2 all time in my DTF Top 50 but I rarely feel the need to listen to ToT or SC as I get prog fatigue and not enough structure/melody.   I also really struggle with concept albums that are missing strong individual songs - or albums where I feel the concept is forcing the lyrics/melodies to places they may not naturally go.   I don't subscribe to the idea of "you need to listen to it as a whole ".   If I don't like the individual songs then it ain't happenin' for me with the concept and , as such , I also rank SFAM lower than most in the DTF list.

The thing that stood out for me on APSOG was Zonder's drumming and I am not normally one to notice drummers :D

So hey..........it's just me :lol

Good description.  Call me weird, but I like when someone pulls something out of left field. I like to hear their reasons. Chances are they'll stumble on something you never noticed before.

Personally, I think it was an exceedingly brazen attempt on their part to put out an album that was basically just one song broken down into pieces. However, I think they did a really good job. The problem is that after Parallels, Inside Out and APSOG had a lot to live up to.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: ? on June 29, 2016, 09:06:52 AM
My review of TOF (http://www.musicalypse.net/2016-fates-warning-theories-of-flight-english/) is finally out! :)

As for my ranking, it looks like this (haven't listened to the Arch albums, because I don't like his voice):

1. Theories of Flight
2. Disconnected
3. Parallels
4. APSOG
5. DIADL
6. Inside Out
7. FWX
8. Perfect Symmetry
9. No Exit
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on June 29, 2016, 02:28:10 PM
Wow, this album really is rating high, unreal.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: jjrock88 on June 29, 2016, 03:07:58 PM
Wow, this album really is rating high, unreal.

This is sounding like one of the greatest albums ever!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on June 29, 2016, 04:01:47 PM
Wow, this album really is rating high, unreal.

This is sounding like one of the greatest albums ever!

No kidding.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Mister Gold on June 29, 2016, 04:39:36 PM
Wow, this album really is rating high, unreal.

This is sounding like one of the greatest albums ever!

No kidding.

I'm admittedly biased, since Fates Warning is one of my absolute favorite bands ever, but Theories of Flight definitely feels like an album that's going to be recognized as a classic in the years to come. Definitely one of the best works to ever come from the band, if not their absolute best (and I think it may very well be)! 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Awaken on June 30, 2016, 05:29:12 AM
My review of TOF (http://www.musicalypse.net/2016-fates-warning-theories-of-flight-english/) is finally out! :)

As for my ranking, it looks like this (haven't listened to the Arch albums, because I don't like his voice):

1. Theories of Flight
2. Disconnected
3. Parallels
4. APSOG
5. DIADL
6. Inside Out
7. FWX
8. Perfect Symmetry
9. No Exit

Enjoyed your review.  I hope this album does great things for the band - they deserve it
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on June 30, 2016, 05:47:02 AM
I'm obviously not a huge Arch fan -  Brocken just had a couple of songs I really liked in an early Queensryche sorta style and to me his voice was a bit better controlled than on the later albums.    The more modern Alder albums are quality but nothing really stands out to me.   That's why Theories is so refreshing - it has an energy that they have been missing for a long time.

APSOG is an interesting one, and I know it's highly regarded around here.   I think when it comes down to it , I come at this more from a metal and melody perspective (as a priority) and the prog is nice if the first two click and it all works as a unit.    I am a bit the same with DT -  I&W was #2 all time in my DTF Top 50 but I rarely feel the need to listen to ToT or SC as I get prog fatigue and not enough structure/melody.   I also really struggle with concept albums that are missing strong individual songs - or albums where I feel the concept is forcing the lyrics/melodies to places they may not naturally go.   I don't subscribe to the idea of "you need to listen to it as a whole ".   If I don't like the individual songs then it ain't happenin' for me with the concept and , as such , I also rank SFAM lower than most in the DTF list.

The thing that stood out for me on APSOG was Zonder's drumming and I am not normally one to notice drummers :D

So hey..........it's just me :lol

No, it's not just you. I actually think APSOG is bloated and way overrated. I do think there are a few excellent songs on it though. But I can never remember what "Part" they are! :lol On my iPod, I think I renamed them to a line in the song.
My top three are "
"We're Not Children Anymore"
"Where You Are (I Am)
"Do You Think That I"
 :biggrin:


I've always had trouble with Arch's vocals. Those albums just sound like a garage band full of fans of Maiden and Queensryche. I feel like if the ever rerecorded them with the Arch/Matheos lineup, they'd be great.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: SoundscapeMN on June 30, 2016, 09:20:57 AM
I still am baffled how little talk about A Twist of Fate there is.

I would put it as the best thing Matheos and Arch have done the last 15 years.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: goo-goo on June 30, 2016, 10:11:56 AM

No, it's not just you. I actually think APSOG is bloated and way overrated. I do think there are a few excellent songs on it though. But I can never remember what "Part" they are! :lol On my iPod, I think I renamed them to a line in the song.
My top three are "
"We're Not Children Anymore"
"Where You Are (I Am)
"Do You Think That I"
 :biggrin:


I kind of feel like that with the studio version but the live version is way better. So much energy in APSOG. Sutdio version feels very sterile.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Lowdz on June 30, 2016, 10:54:42 AM
Ok, not the worlds biggest FW fan here (more a casual fan) but this sounds like a winner from first listen. Very nice, and love the vocals - something I can't say of Arch Mattheos.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: pogoowner on June 30, 2016, 10:27:43 PM
"Spinning" the new album now!  :metal

Jim stepped outside of his usual box a few times on this one. SOS is where it stood out to me the most.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: ariich on July 01, 2016, 02:40:45 AM
"Spinning" the new album now!  :metal

Jim stepped outside of his usual box a few times on this one. SOS is where it stood out to me the most.
SOS and Light and Shade are probably my favourites, but really it's strong all the way through.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Zydar on July 01, 2016, 02:45:01 AM
Yup, a really great album.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: PowerSlave on July 01, 2016, 03:31:20 AM
I still am baffled how little talk about A Twist of Fate there is.

I would put it as the best thing Matheos and Arch have done the last 15 years.

Only two songs, but holy shit did they nail it!!! Relentless is one of my all-time favorites.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 01, 2016, 05:29:19 AM
Well, now that its actually out, I can enjoy what everyone else has been talking about. I don't really feel like its a masterpiece, but it is really decent. The only song I don't really like is SOS. Everything else is really good though.

I do love the alternate version of seven stars and white flag is badass  :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 01, 2016, 07:29:01 AM
Listening to the new album now... Not a big Fates fan, but my curiosity has been peaked by the glowing reviews in this thread.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: bosk1 on July 01, 2016, 07:45:21 AM
Listening to the new album now... Not a big Fates fan, but my curiosity has been peaked by the glowing reviews in this thread.
Piqued?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 01, 2016, 08:16:05 AM
This album may end up being my favorite Fates Warning album ever.  It's fucking magnificent.  :o


I was absolutely sure that Ray Alder did not have another performance like this in him but holy shit does he carry this album on his back or what?  Everything about this one just clicks right into place.  The riffs, the guitar tone, the drums, the melodies, all of it just blended into a nice big fat juicy sonic feast  :hat


This album is nothing like "Darkness In a Different Light" which I liked, but wasn't crazy about.  It reminds me more of "Disconnected" - another album of theirs that I liked, but wished it had some guitar solos in it.  This album feels like it could have followed "Disconnected."  And holy shit the guitar solos on this album some of the best Matheos has ever done.  Man, he knows exactly when to shred and when to pull back.  Incredible musician.  Incredible album.  Didn't expect this at all. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: bosk1 on July 01, 2016, 08:26:43 AM
I wish I had a way to pick it up today.  I will have to wait until next week.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: kaos2900 on July 01, 2016, 08:27:15 AM
Can't wait to get home to down load this.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 01, 2016, 08:33:05 AM
Listening to the new album now... Not a big Fates fan, but my curiosity has been peaked by the glowing reviews in this thread.
Piqued?

 :lol Nicely done, my mistake.

BTW, I really, really like this album so far, almost 3/4 of the way through it.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: bosk1 on July 01, 2016, 08:38:20 AM
Common mistake.  And common pet peeve of mine (along with using "jive" instead of "jibe," or "would of" instead of "would have"), so I continue my crusade to right the wrongs of Internet word mis-usage.  :borlag:
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 01, 2016, 08:53:21 AM
Common mistake.  And common pet peeve of mine (along with using "jive" instead of "jibe," or "would of" instead of "would have"), so I continue my crusade to right the wrongs of Internet word mis-usage.  :borlag:

Haha. I really enjoyed Theories of Flight, any recommendations as to where I should head in their discography next?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: goo-goo on July 01, 2016, 09:32:24 AM
This album may end up being my favorite Fates Warning album ever.  It's fucking magnificent.  :o


I was absolutely sure that Ray Alder did not have another performance like this in him but holy shit does he carry this album on his back or what?  Everything about this one just clicks right into place.  The riffs, the guitar tone, the drums, the melodies, all of it just blended into a nice big fat juicy sonic feast  :hat


This album is nothing like "Darkness In a Different Light" which I liked, but wasn't crazy about.  It reminds me more of "Disconnected" - another album of theirs that I liked, but wished it had some guitar solos in it.  This album feels like it could have followed "Disconnected."  And holy shit the guitar solos on this album some of the best Matheos has ever done.  Man, he knows exactly when to shred and when to pull back.  Incredible musician.  Incredible album.  Didn't expect this at all.

Kirk

The slow solos are played mostly by Matheos. The shredding/fast solos are played (in this record) by Frank Aresti and Mike Abdow (on one song I think).  But Jim's solos have always been very tasteful.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 01, 2016, 10:28:43 AM
I wasn't aware of that.  But now that you mention it I'll be listening for the two guitars next time I spin it.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: pogoowner on July 01, 2016, 10:52:58 AM
I wasn't aware of that.  But now that you mention it I'll be listening for the two guitars next time I spin it.
If you watch the "White Flag" play-through on Youtube, you'll probably be able to get a good feel for who's who. By order of appearance: Matheos, Abdow, Aresti.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: jjrock88 on July 01, 2016, 12:47:25 PM
I'll have to pick it up tommorow. Most stores are closed today for Canada Day
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Mebert78 on July 01, 2016, 01:37:40 PM
It's currently the best-selling album in Amazon's hard rock and metal category. Couldn't happen to a more deserving band!

Link: https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Music-Metal/zgbs/music/67207/ref=zg_bs_nav_m_1_m
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on July 01, 2016, 02:52:43 PM
Looks like I should be able to pick this up instore today.

Is the bonus cd worth while? I'm not that fussed with it.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on July 01, 2016, 02:55:25 PM
On my first listen right now.

 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: gazinwales on July 01, 2016, 06:22:22 PM
Looks like I should be able to pick this up instore today.

Is the bonus cd worth while? I'm not that fussed with it.

Gave it a listen nothing to make me want to go back again.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Mister Gold on July 01, 2016, 07:15:38 PM
Looks like I should be able to pick this up instore today.

Is the bonus cd worth while? I'm not that fussed with it.

I'd say it's worth getting the bonus disc. My favorite version of Firefly is on it.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: goo-goo on July 01, 2016, 09:44:41 PM
I have not been able to find the 1CD edition anywhere online. I bought the 2CD digipack but wanted an additional copy.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: ? on July 02, 2016, 02:53:58 AM
My review of TOF (http://www.musicalypse.net/2016-fates-warning-theories-of-flight-english/) is finally out! :)

As for my ranking, it looks like this (haven't listened to the Arch albums, because I don't like his voice):

1. Theories of Flight
2. Disconnected
3. Parallels
4. APSOG
5. DIADL
6. Inside Out
7. FWX
8. Perfect Symmetry
9. No Exit

Enjoyed your review.  I hope this album does great things for the band - they deserve it
Thanks! :tup And yeah, this album deserves to be big.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: abydos on July 02, 2016, 04:34:53 AM
The Light and Shade of Things... What a fucking masterpiece!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: SubV on July 02, 2016, 09:38:07 AM
The Light and Shade of Things... What a fucking masterpiece!
The whole album is incredible. A true masterpiece.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Evermind on July 02, 2016, 09:42:39 AM
The Light and Shade of Things... What a fucking masterpiece!
The whole album is incredible. A true masterpiece.

I agree wholeheartedly.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on July 02, 2016, 10:08:23 AM
After about two listens, this is an excellent album. Ray is incredible.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: DeanTheater on July 02, 2016, 11:13:43 AM
I Have to be honest.  I was a huge FW fan for a long period of time, but with age and having too many kids, I lost track. I have also just been diving soooo deep into The Astonishing, that I wasnt aware that FW was even in studio or, that they even had another album out!  I was lurking and saw this thread and was like  wh wh what?  After seeing alot of your input, I bought it last evening and I havent stopped listening to it since.  What an amazing piece of work.  I thought Alder was surprisingly wonderful.  i had heard his vocals were failing, but this is one of his best works in a while.   I was a huge fan of Parallels and APSOG.  This rivals both.  Some truley, unforgetable, riffs on this album , about 2 mins into "From the Rooftops"  Whoa!
 "Like Stars Our Eyes Have Seen"  Seven Stars" are great tracks.  My favorite track I keep coming back to is The Light and Shade of Things. 

stellar release!!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: abydos on July 02, 2016, 11:40:05 AM
Don't tell me you lost track so much that you missed out on Disconnected, FWX and Darkness in a Different Light?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: jjrock88 on July 02, 2016, 02:51:11 PM
Not much of a surprise, but HMV and WalMart didn't have any copies; the girl at HMV didn't have a hot clue what I was talking about.

Oh well, amazon to the rescue!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: ronnibran on July 02, 2016, 04:28:35 PM
Another huge fan of this new album.  Honestly, I wasn't a fan of the last album.  A couple of songs were ok to me but I'm sure I never listened to the album more than once all the way through.

Got the new one based on all the positive comments and WOW!!!  Really good listen.  Honestly, there's not a lot of whole FW albums I like, probably just Disconnected (the only album I listen to as a whole at least semi-regularly).  This will be listened to regularly for a while, that's for sure.

No songs I didn't like.  The longer songs need a couple more listens to get a deeper opinion on, but that's normal.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: SoundscapeMN on July 02, 2016, 05:19:23 PM
CoverKillerNation's review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8Lr3vTCO94

Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on July 03, 2016, 04:01:00 AM
Lucky enough to find a copy of the double cd this weekend in store for $20.  About to have my first listen now.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Evermind on July 03, 2016, 04:47:14 AM
Lucky enough to find a copy of the double cd this weekend in store for $20.  About to have my first listen now.

It's worth every single cent, I tell you. I'm going to visit my local store tomorrow and see if they have a copy, I've got the digital promo files but I need to have a physical copy of this album.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on July 03, 2016, 04:53:24 AM
Just had my first spin and obviously needs a few but hot damn, where did this come from?  Love the aggresion and attitude of the whole thing, and Ray sounds wonderful.  Looking forward to getting into these songs. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on July 03, 2016, 05:08:21 AM
Just listened on my way to work. Ray totally nails this. Amazing. You're right, Kade. Where did this come from? It's progressive but immediate.
This may be their best album.

And Bobby J is incredible.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Evermind on July 03, 2016, 05:13:23 AM
Just listened on my way to work. Ray totally nails this. Amazing. You're right, Kade. Where did this come from? It's progressive but immediate.
This may be their best album.

And Bobby J is incredible.

Yeah, I agree with the bolded big time. I noticed how great drums were almost on every song which is a rare thing for me - I don't usually pay a lot of attention to the drums.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on July 03, 2016, 05:16:01 AM
Just listened on my way to work. Ray totally nails this. Amazing. You're right, Kade. Where did this come from? It's progressive but immediate.
This may be their best album.

And Bobby J is incredible.

I was excited when I heard Rooftops and thought it wasn't actually going to be a propper representation of the album.  I heard White Flag and thought they must have been the two staple heavy songs but I was wrong, this thing grabs the balls from the start and doesn't let go.  Even though I've only heard it once the riff in Ghosts of Home has me hooked.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Mister Gold on July 03, 2016, 09:43:15 AM
Just listened on my way to work. Ray totally nails this. Amazing. You're right, Kade. Where did this come from? It's progressive but immediate.
This may be their best album.

And Bobby J is incredible.

See? I told ya! :tup :hefdaddy :metal

And yeah, it is surprising to see just how great the album is. Last time a veteran band impressed me this much with a late era album was Rush with Clockwork Angels! :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on July 03, 2016, 03:17:06 PM
When I read the booklet first up and saw that Frank only played the two solos on the album I was disappointed but when I actually heard the album, damn it's good to hear Jim solo again, he kills it here too.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on July 03, 2016, 03:42:00 PM
Last time a veteran band impressed me this much with a late era album was Rush with Clockwork Angels! :hefdaddy

It's been a great year for Old School bands. Anthrax, Megadeth, Metal Church, Flotsam & Jetsam. All fantastic albums.

When I read the booklet first up and saw that Frank only played the two solos on the album I was disappointed but when I actually heard the album, damn it's good to hear Jim solo again, he kills it here too.
The lead guitar playing rally stands out on this album, and that's not usually the case for FW.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on July 03, 2016, 04:11:51 PM
When I read the booklet first up and saw that Frank only played the two solos on the album I was disappointed but when I actually heard the album, damn it's good to hear Jim solo again, he kills it here too.
The lead guitar playing rally stands out on this album, and that's not usually the case for FW.

Yeah, and Jim adding some more killer solos than normal this time really gives it that FW feel even more IMO.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: pogoowner on July 03, 2016, 11:04:33 PM
Between OSI, Arch/Matheos, and Theories of Flight, Jim Matheos has just been releasing a ton of awesome music.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Kwyjibo on July 04, 2016, 01:38:13 AM
Now that I heard it maybe five times, I think it's great, probably better than Darkness, although I still really like Darkness. Ray sings his heart out and the band is on fire. Catchy and progressive and heavy, what more can you ask? The only mild criticism I have is that the title track could have been more, it feels a bit unfinished for me.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on July 04, 2016, 05:33:14 AM
Only listened to it twice but IMO it kicks the crap out of Darkness.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Hanz Gruber on July 04, 2016, 09:35:32 AM
Last time a veteran band impressed me this much with a late era album was Rush with Clockwork Angels! :hefdaddy

It's been a great year for Old School bands. Anthrax, Megadeth, Metal Church, Flotsam & Jetsam. All fantastic albums.

When I read the booklet first up and saw that Frank only played the two solos on the album I was disappointed but when I actually heard the album, damn it's good to hear Jim solo again, he kills it here too.
The lead guitar playing rally stands out on this album, and that's not usually the case for FW.

Also a new Testament CD is coming out too that has a lot of potential.

Agreed with the above except that I have never liked Joey Belladona.  I preferred John Bush's voice by a mile.  Just can't get into Anthrax with Joey as the singer.  I could tell that I would be a fan of these new Anthrax songs if someone else was singing.  Probably in the minority though.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: SoundscapeMN on July 04, 2016, 12:17:48 PM
My Jim Matheos rankings since the year 2000:

1. A Twist of Fate
2. Disconnected
3. Office of Strategic Influence
4. Theories of Flight
5. Sympathetic Resonance
6. FWX




Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on July 04, 2016, 02:09:54 PM


Also a new Testament CD is coming out too that has a lot of potential.

Agreed with the above except that I have never liked Joey Belladona.  I preferred John Bush's voice by a mile.  Just can't get into Anthrax with Joey as the singer.  I could tell that I would be a fan of these new Anthrax songs if someone else was singing.  Probably in the minority though.

I am John Bush's biggest fan here at DTF, but the Anthrax gig just didn't work out. I've never had a problem with Joey, and really understood the decision to sack him in the early 90's.


3. Office of Strategic Influence
 

I just do not get OSI. At. All.






With Sympathetic Resonance, and Theories Of Flight, Jim may have 2 of the Top 10 albums of this decade on his hands. Bobby Jarzombek and Joey Vera work incredibly together. Joey has come a long way from Can U Deliver!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on July 04, 2016, 03:42:29 PM
I think after this album I'm gonna go back to SR.  It was good, but it just didn't ever grab me like it should have.

This new one is certainly a cracker though.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on July 04, 2016, 04:32:14 PM
The section from 2:12 to 4:20 in Ghosts of Home is one of the coolest fucking things the band has ever done.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on July 04, 2016, 04:40:53 PM
The section from 2:12 to 4:20 in Ghosts of Home is one of the coolest fucking things the band has ever done.
I agree.
While I think APSOG is overbloated and overrated, this part reminds me of that album.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on July 04, 2016, 05:02:16 PM
I can see myself revisitng a lot of FW in the weeks ahead, good stuff.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on July 04, 2016, 05:02:44 PM
The section from 2:12 to 4:20 in Ghosts of Home is one of the coolest fucking things the band has ever done.
I agree.
While I think APSOG is overbloated and overrated, this part reminds me of that album.

Yeah, and reminds me of Disconnected too.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on July 04, 2016, 05:06:06 PM
While I don't remember such intricate musicianship on Disconnected, the album as a whole definitely reminds me of Disconnected. Feels a bit more complete than Disconnected, which I always felt was too short.

They each have two longer awesome tracks with a bunch of very cool shorter tracks.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on July 04, 2016, 05:08:15 PM
While I don't remember such intricate musicianship on Disconnected, the album as a whole definitely reminds me of Disconnected. Feels a bit more complete than Disconnected, which I always felt was too short.

They each have two longer awesome tracks with a bunch of very cool shorter tracks.

You're pretty spot on here with everything and I agree.  This new one has a little more agression and melodies to sink the teeth into though.  I would have even loved a 20-25 minute song on this new one.  Ghosts of Home could have even been made longer IMO.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on July 04, 2016, 05:12:41 PM
Bobby J is like Zonder(who is awesome) on steroids. Yeah, I don't want Ghosts Of Home to end!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: NoseofNicko on July 04, 2016, 05:17:06 PM
Does the part at 5:06 in The Ghosts of Home sound really familiar to anyone else?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on July 04, 2016, 06:32:16 PM
Does the part at 5:06 in The Ghosts of Home sound really familiar to anyone else?

What do you mean, another band or something from Fates before?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: ariich on July 05, 2016, 03:13:30 AM
I think I've decided that Theories of Flight is my joint favourite along with Disconnected.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on July 05, 2016, 06:48:54 AM
Joey Vera interview:

http://www.joelgausten.com/2016/07/a-new-flight-joey-vera-on-fates.html


Joey is one of the coolest guys in metal.

Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Nick on July 05, 2016, 08:24:05 AM
My Jim Matheos rankings since the year 2000:

1. A Twist of Fate
2. Disconnected
3. Office of Strategic Influence
4. Theories of Flight
5. Sympathetic Resonance
6. FWX

This is a cool thing, and you're a cool person for having done it.

My top Matheos since 2000:

5. Disconnected
4. Free
3. Sympathetic Resonance
2. Theories of Flight
1. Office of Strategic Influence

And this really shows how great Jim is, considering how Darkness, and A Twist of Fate would easily make my cut for many other composers, especially ones as far into their career.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: bosk1 on July 05, 2016, 08:36:10 AM
I have only listened to this once so far, but I am REALLY liking it.  Early standouts are The Ghosts of Home and White Flag. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: pogoowner on July 05, 2016, 11:19:29 AM
Jim Matheos rankings since 2000:

1. Fire Make Thunder
2. Theories of Flight
3. Sympathetic Resonance
4. Free
5. Blood
6. Office of Strategic Influence
7. Disconnected
8. FWX
9. Darkness in a Different Light

Those top 3 are very fluid and could easily change from one day to the next.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 05, 2016, 11:45:55 AM
Can stop listening to this one.  My AOTY right now  :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: goo-goo on July 05, 2016, 12:21:53 PM
Can stop listening to this one.  My AOTY right now  :metal

+1 on this. Took over Haken's #1 spot for me.

Even the acoustic bonus cd is unreal.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: pogoowner on July 05, 2016, 03:27:40 PM
Really cool interview with Jim Matheos. More extensive than we usually see from him. He comments on the quality of Ray's vocals:
Quote
I think a lot of that has to do with him writing a lot more of the lyrics, writing more melody lines, so he has that conviction behind it as well. It’s always hard for a singer. I think he does a really good job but I think it’s hard for a singer to sing other people’s lyrics and melody lines. A lot of times that conviction does’t come across. Him doing it this time, most of the stuff was his. That comes across a little more.

http://fateswarning.com/2016/07/01/goldmine-magazine-interview-with-jim-matheos-07012016/ (http://fateswarning.com/2016/07/01/goldmine-magazine-interview-with-jim-matheos-07012016/)
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: abydos on July 05, 2016, 05:17:59 PM
Quote
GM: And Ray (Alder) sounds as strong and melodic as he did on “No Exit.”
JM: Yeah, I think he did a great job on this. For some reason he’s been hitting the real sweet spots. He always sounds good — he had a rough patch in maybe the early 2000s — but I know him really well and he’s not doing anything different. He hasn’t like started taking care of himself. Ray is Ray. He hasn’t changed in a long time. He’s just hit a sweet spot. These songs really resonated with him and to me this is one of his best performances ever. He sounds great on this record.

Well this is a bit sad to hear but glad that Ray has managed to remain sounding so good.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: bosk1 on July 05, 2016, 05:30:43 PM
Really nice interview though.  I like it when an interviewer deviates from script a little bit and asks follow-up questions when something interesting is said.  This guy did that, and it was great. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 06, 2016, 08:01:11 AM
Can stop listening to this one.  My AOTY right now  :metal

+1 on this. Took over Haken's #1 spot for me.

Even the acoustic bonus cd is unreal.


oooh, I'll have to spin that one up.   Haven't tried it yet.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 06, 2016, 08:07:35 AM
Quote
GM: And Ray (Alder) sounds as strong and melodic as he did on “No Exit.”
JM: Yeah, I think he did a great job on this. For some reason he’s been hitting the real sweet spots. He always sounds good — he had a rough patch in maybe the early 2000s — but I know him really well and he’s not doing anything different. He hasn’t like started taking care of himself. Ray is Ray. He hasn’t changed in a long time. He’s just hit a sweet spot. These songs really resonated with him and to me this is one of his best performances ever. He sounds great on this record.

Well this is a bit sad to hear but glad that Ray has managed to remain sounding so good.


Given all that I know about how careless he's been when it comes to taking care of himself and his gift it's remarkable to me that he sounds this good after everything he's been through.  I had a feeling these were his melodies and lyrics because they are vaguely remeniscent of Redemption (I mean that in a good way). 


Matheos is definitely right about one thing - it's really hard to sing someone else's lyrics and melodies with the kind of conviction that the author intended.  He's right that Ray's personal connection with these lyrics are the spark that made the difference between a good album and a great album. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Mister Gold on July 06, 2016, 09:18:56 AM
Quote
GM: And Ray (Alder) sounds as strong and melodic as he did on “No Exit.”
JM: Yeah, I think he did a great job on this. For some reason he’s been hitting the real sweet spots. He always sounds good — he had a rough patch in maybe the early 2000s — but I know him really well and he’s not doing anything different. He hasn’t like started taking care of himself. Ray is Ray. He hasn’t changed in a long time. He’s just hit a sweet spot. These songs really resonated with him and to me this is one of his best performances ever. He sounds great on this record.

Well this is a bit sad to hear but glad that Ray has managed to remain sounding so good.

Honestly, I'm not sure what to think of Jim's comments there, because Ray has to be doing something different. His voice really took a turn for the worse back in 2010/2011 (as shown on Redemption's This Mortal Coil) and then from 2012 onward, Ray's voice seems to have been growing progressively stronger again.

You don't go from where Ray was vocally five years ago to where he is now on Theories of Flight without making some sort of change.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: ? on July 06, 2016, 10:53:47 AM
My top 5 Jim records since 2000:

1. Free
2. Theories of Flight
3. Disconnected
4. Fire Make Thunder
5. Blood
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: goo-goo on July 06, 2016, 11:32:16 AM
My top Jim records since 2000:

1. Theories of Flight
2. Fire Make Thunder
3. Disconnected
4. FWX
5. Blood/Darkness
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: pogoowner on July 06, 2016, 11:43:04 AM
Honestly, I'm not sure what to think of Jim's comments there, because Ray has to be doing something different. His voice really took a turn for the worse back in 2010/2011 (as shown on Redemption's This Mortal Coil) and then from 2012 onward, Ray's voice seems to have been growing progressively stronger again.

You don't go from where Ray was vocally five years ago to where he is now on Theories of Flight without making some sort of change.
Maybe his wife has been a good influence on him?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 06, 2016, 01:06:38 PM
What's wrong with the vocals on This Mortal Coil?  ???



Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: goo-goo on July 06, 2016, 01:19:45 PM
What's wrong with the vocals on This Mortal Coil?  ???

Yeah, I don't see the struggle in the studio releases. The live releases on the other hand, Ray struggles quite a bit. When I saw them in the Darkness tour he actually sang pretty well (better than the Redemption live releases).
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on July 06, 2016, 01:31:47 PM
What's wrong with the vocals on This Mortal Coil?  ???

I thought the same thing. I love that album!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: abydos on July 06, 2016, 01:42:34 PM
I haven't enjoyed a Redemption album since The Origins of Ruin :(
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Mister Gold on July 06, 2016, 02:19:18 PM
What's wrong with the vocals on This Mortal Coil?  ???

Ray just sounds really thin and dry at times on that album, I think. Especially on the cover for Edge of the Blade.

That's not to say the album is bad or that Ray was awful on it- It's just the album that always stood out in my head as being Ray's low-point. Seriously, compare Ray's performance there to Snowfall on Judgement Day, Darkness in a Different Light, Art of Loss and especially to Theories of Flight. There's something amiss on This Mortal Coil that isn't there on the other albums.

However, and I didn't think of this possibility beforehand, but it could be more that his performance on the album was hindered more by the weird production than by his actual voice at the time.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on July 06, 2016, 04:55:13 PM
This new album is fucking amazing.  It's absolute quality and refreshing to hear an album of such creativity, originality and basically something perfectly written, well thought out and performed.  So much new music these days is just becoming more and more bland, generic and lacks the passion and drive to create something that deserves attention and multiple listens.  This album you can just feel the work and heart that has gone into it, well done Jim, Ray and co, a brilliant piece of music from start to finish.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on July 06, 2016, 04:56:53 PM
This new album is fucking amazing.  It's absolute quality and refreshing to hear an album of such creativity, originality and basically something perfectly written, well thought out and performed.  So much new music these days is just becoming more and more bland, generic and lacks the passion and drive to create something that deserves attention and multiple listens.  This album you can just feel the work and heart that has gone into it, well done Jim, Ray and co, a brilliant piece of music from start to finish.

 :tup
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: mike099 on July 06, 2016, 07:05:12 PM
I haven't enjoyed a Redemption album since The Origins of Ruin :(

I love The origins of Ruin.   :metal

I have never listened to Fates Warning, but listened to Theories of Flight on youtube and will be buying soon.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: ronnibran on July 06, 2016, 07:11:53 PM
After the new Redemption and now the new Fates Warning, I'm seriously thinking Ray could be my favorite singer.  He does a phenomenal job on Theories of Flight!!!!

Theories of Flight is hands down my favorite FW album.  I didn't think I'd ever enjoy a FW album as much as a Redemption album, but this is close.

And, The Light and Shade of Things is my favorite FW song of all time.  It is such a masterpiece.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on July 07, 2016, 05:16:35 AM
The Ghosts of Home possibly the best thing the band has ever done?  Could be.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: SoundscapeMN on July 07, 2016, 05:45:27 AM
Jim Matheos interviewed by The Prog Report
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4DyuZRF8LE
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Evermind on July 07, 2016, 05:58:01 AM
The Ghosts of Home possibly the best thing the band has ever done?  Could be.

Not for me, no. While it's still a nice tune, The Ghosts of Home is still my least favourite song from the album. But hey, great to see some people love this song, just shows how tastes work sometimes.

The Light and Shade of Things though... this could be indeed the best thing the band has ever done, in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on July 07, 2016, 06:02:27 AM
The Ghosts of Home possibly the best thing the band has ever done?  Could be.

Not for me, no. While it's still a nice tune, The Ghosts of Home is still my least favourite song from the album. But hey, great to see some people love this song, just shows how tastes work sometimes.

The Light and Shade of Things though... this could be indeed the best thing the band has ever done, in my opinion.

The Light and Shade is middle tier at the moment but is growing.  Shows the strength of this brilliant album.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: devieira73 on July 07, 2016, 06:58:23 AM
The Ghosts of Home possibly the best thing the band has ever done?  Could be.
This song reminds me OSI a lot.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on July 07, 2016, 07:09:29 AM
The Ghosts of Home possibly the best thing the band has ever done?  Could be.
This song reminds me OSI a lot.

What OSI song does it remind you of? Everything I've heard from OSI is just noise.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: bosk1 on July 07, 2016, 08:17:59 AM
The Ghosts of Home possibly the best thing the band has ever done?  Could be.

Funny you should say that.  I was just sitting listening to it in my car in the parking lot and could not turn it off.  Such a good song.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: devieira73 on July 07, 2016, 08:26:47 AM
The Ghosts of Home possibly the best thing the band has ever done?  Could be.
This song reminds me OSI a lot.

What OSI song does it remind you of? Everything I've heard from OSI is just noise.
It reminds me the overall music style of OSI, not a specific song. I don't think OSI music is too far of FW style, aka Disconnected. Also I like OSI much more than Chroma Key, which has much more " noise" music.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 07, 2016, 08:29:18 AM
Just stopping in to say The Light and Shade of Things is really a spectacular song.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: goo-goo on July 07, 2016, 09:24:08 AM
The Ghosts of Home possibly the best thing the band has ever done?  Could be.

Funny you should say that.  I was just sitting listening to it in my car in the parking lot and could not turn it off.  Such a good song.

I absolutely love the song from the 7 min mark towards the 8:42. Just a gorgeous beautiful passage.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: pogoowner on July 07, 2016, 11:28:42 AM
The Ghosts of Home possibly the best thing the band has ever done?  Could be.
This song reminds me OSI a lot.

What OSI song does it remind you of? Everything I've heard from OSI is just noise.
The whole first minute of the song sounds EXACTLY like OSI, because Jim and Kevin use radio samples like that a lot.

And as always, Jim's riffs are largely pretty similar in both bands.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Evermind on July 07, 2016, 12:24:06 PM
The Ghosts of Home possibly the best thing the band has ever done?  Could be.
This song reminds me OSI a lot.

What OSI song does it remind you of? Everything I've heard from OSI is just noise.
The whole first minute of the song sounds EXACTLY like OSI, because Jim and Kevin use radio samples like that a lot.

Small wonder... the first minute of The Ghosts of Home is just noise for me.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: devieira73 on July 07, 2016, 12:34:35 PM
The Ghosts of Home possibly the best thing the band has ever done?  Could be.
This song reminds me OSI a lot.

What OSI song does it remind you of? Everything I've heard from OSI is just noise.
The whole first minute of the song sounds EXACTLY like OSI, because Jim and Kevin use radio samples like that a lot.

Small wonder... the first minute of The Ghosts of Home is just noise for me.

Only now I see what I did here. In fact, I was thinking in Theories of Flight as the song that reminded me OSI! :facepalm: ;D Sorry, my bad!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 07, 2016, 12:58:29 PM
This new album is fucking amazing.  It's absolute quality and refreshing to hear an album of such creativity, originality and basically something perfectly written, well thought out and performed.  So much new music these days is just becoming more and more bland, generic and lacks the passion and drive to create something that deserves attention and multiple listens.  This album you can just feel the work and heart that has gone into it, well done Jim, Ray and co, a brilliant piece of music from start to finish.
Well put.  I wholeheartedly agree.  :hat

Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on July 07, 2016, 03:12:24 PM
The Ghosts of Home possibly the best thing the band has ever done?  Could be.

Funny you should say that.  I was just sitting listening to it in my car in the parking lot and could not turn it off.  Such a good song.

Everytime I listen to the album, I have to listen to this song about 3 times.

This new album is fucking amazing.  It's absolute quality and refreshing to hear an album of such creativity, originality and basically something perfectly written, well thought out and performed.  So much new music these days is just becoming more and more bland, generic and lacks the passion and drive to create something that deserves attention and multiple listens.  This album you can just feel the work and heart that has gone into it, well done Jim, Ray and co, a brilliant piece of music from start to finish.
Well put.  I wholeheartedly agree.  :hat



 :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: bosk1 on July 07, 2016, 03:29:08 PM
The Ghosts of Home possibly the best thing the band has ever done?  Could be.

Funny you should say that.  I was just sitting listening to it in my car in the parking lot and could not turn it off.  Such a good song.

Everytime I listen to the album, I have to listen to this song about 3 times.

For real, or are you just wolfking with me?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on July 07, 2016, 03:34:34 PM
He's trying to say that the song is A-O-Kade with him.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on July 07, 2016, 03:42:40 PM
The Ghosts of Home possibly the best thing the band has ever done?  Could be.

Funny you should say that.  I was just sitting listening to it in my car in the parking lot and could not turn it off.  Such a good song.

Everytime I listen to the album, I have to listen to this song about 3 times.

For real, or are you just wolfking with me?

Seriously, I'm not bosking you around, it's incredible.  That instrumental section from 2:10 is just one ofthe coolest things, and the last few minutes is just perfect.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on July 07, 2016, 03:43:35 PM
He's trying to say that the song is A-O-Kade with him.

Absolutely, I just have to listen to it Tim and Tim again.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on July 07, 2016, 03:45:55 PM
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Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on July 07, 2016, 03:49:24 PM
Can't Google image from my phone but...

Well played, sir!

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Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: bosk1 on July 07, 2016, 04:02:38 PM
This is already my favorite Fates Warning album. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on July 07, 2016, 04:11:19 PM
This is already my favorite Fates Warning album.

I don't know if I can properly rank it yet, but it's looking like it's going to sit at least top 3, it's wonderful.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: bosk1 on July 07, 2016, 05:04:52 PM
I hesitate to make such statements so early either.  But it is a function of (1) it easily being SO good, and (2) their other albums for the most part failing to connect with me (you might say they leave me feeling...Disconnected :lhk: ).  I mean, I liked the last album and X, and a few songs here and there from Parallels and other parts of their discography.  But this is the first album of theirs that I can say I am definitely interested in from start to finish.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on July 07, 2016, 07:12:22 PM
X doesn't even rate for me. It's easily my least favorite Alder era album.


But this album could be Top 3. Not sure it's going to outdo Parallels. I have way too much history with that album. But it's knocking on Inside Out's door for #2.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: SoundscapeMN on July 07, 2016, 09:53:24 PM
I've always enjoyed FWX

1. Left Here..good, moody opening track
2. Simple Human..great riff
3. River Wide Ocean Deep..very cool, moody piece
4. Another Perfect Day..catchy, memorable, poppy track that works well.
5. Heal Me..cool, hypnotic, riffy track
6. Sequence # 7
7. Crawl
8. A Handful of Doubt..great, emotional track
9. Stranger (With a Familiar Face)
10. Wish..cool ending to the record

for a record I haven't listened to in many years, my memories of it and most of the songs are still quite favorable; per I don't follow the lack of interest. The only thing I recall about it when it came out and over the years being it came out on the heals of the likes of APSOG, Disconnected..and even OSI and A Twist of Fate, so that is the only thing that I've felt lesser about it. But beyond that, it's certainly a record I enjoy and hardly would look past.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Kwyjibo on July 08, 2016, 12:03:05 AM
Now that I've listened to it some more I can agree with most of you that this is a really great album, could became my favorite FW album (although my FW discography has a lot of holes) and is a strong contender for album of the year.

This reminds me a lot of Sympathetic Resonance but as of now I think the Arch/Matheos record is just a little bit better. And I still think the title track could have been more, it has some nice ideas but doesn't really develop into a full song (for me).
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on July 08, 2016, 06:19:35 AM
FWX is an interesting album, I've always liked it a lot.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 08, 2016, 11:32:52 AM
I like FWX, but it took me a long time to. I think what hurt it the most was I legit thought it was the last FW album. The thought of them ending their career on that one didn't sit well with me. And them disappearing for like a decade afterward didn't help either.

Its a very different album, but I like to spin it from time to time.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: bosk1 on July 08, 2016, 11:52:16 AM
I like FWX, but it took me a long time to. I think what hurt it the most was I legit thought it was the last FW album. The thought of them ending their career on that one didn't sit well with me. And them disappearing for like a decade afterward didn't help either.

Its a very different album, but I like to spin it from time to time.
It was really the first time the band hooked me and made me want to listen to an entire album.  As I said earlier, I had liked a few individual songs up to this point.  But every time I tried listening to an entire album of theirs, I quickly got bored.  X wasn't amazing to me, but it was more than enough to hold my interest.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: dtvoices94 on July 08, 2016, 12:17:33 PM
I can't find any faults with this one...it's such a great album and the bonus disc is awesome as well.  As a fan since Perfect Symmetry, this may very well be my favorite.  It's been in constant rotation since its release.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on July 08, 2016, 01:18:15 PM
Just listened to No Exit while cutting the grass. Holy Hell Ray!! :metal

This album is way underplayed in my collection. Some great stuff.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: JLa on July 08, 2016, 02:22:13 PM
I have never been the biggest FW fan, but I just bought this one after listening on Spotify for ten minutes. Sounded amazing!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: NoseofNicko on July 08, 2016, 02:23:18 PM
Just listened to No Exit while cutting the grass. Holy Hell Ray!! :metal

This album is way underplayed in my collection. Some great stuff.

Great underrated album. One of my favorite FW albums.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on July 08, 2016, 03:28:23 PM
Just listened to No Exit while cutting the grass. Holy Hell Ray!! :metal

This album is way underplayed in my collection. Some great stuff.

This is one that's underplayed by me also, big time actually, I need to fix that.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: LudwigVan on July 10, 2016, 12:52:53 AM
Theories Of Flight -  A damn fine album. Amazing that a band can put out this caliber of work with their twelfth album. Their career might even be peaking now!

FWX - Underrated. This album rocks.

No Exit - Very cool album. Interestingly, the melodies still have a touch of the vocal acrobatics we heard from the Arch -era albums. It's also the last album that you can hear the remnants of the NWOBHM influence. After No Exit, they moved toward a more ambient Pink Floydian sound.

A Pleasant Shade of Gray - TAC is wrong again about it being bloated and overrated.  :-* One of their finest works.

Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: pogoowner on July 10, 2016, 01:06:36 AM
No Exit - Very cool album. Interestingly, the melodies still have a touch of the vocal acrobatics we heard from the Arch -era albums.
I've always thought Ray tried a bit too hard to maintain the Arch style on No Exit. It's certainly understandable for whomever made that decision, but I'm glad he's since found his own style, and he obviously killed it on Theories of Flight (which I think is the best performance of his career).
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: twosuitsluke on July 10, 2016, 01:48:14 AM
Never listened to anything by Fates Warning but this album is getting such positive vibes that I might start here.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on July 10, 2016, 04:09:37 AM
Never listened to anything by Fates Warning but this album is getting such positive vibes that I might start here.

This is a very good decision.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Prog Snob on July 10, 2016, 05:46:39 AM
No Exit - Very cool album. Interestingly, the melodies still have a touch of the vocal acrobatics we heard from the Arch -era albums.
I've always thought Ray tried a bit too hard to maintain the Arch style on No Exit. It's certainly understandable for whomever made that decision, but I'm glad he's since found his own style, and he obviously killed it on Theories of Flight (which I think is the best performance of his career).

I was never a huge fan of No Exit. I definitely hear what you hear with the vocals. I think they're a bit over the top and, while that can be good, there's just no melody to them as there are on later releases. The music reminds me of the Arch-era albums which never did much for me except for a select handful of songs.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: abydos on July 10, 2016, 08:56:46 AM
Since the recent surge of FW love, I would also suggest checking out their live album Still Life. It has APSOG in full + awesome songs from previous albums, including the 20something minute Ivory Gates of Dreams. I don't know if the album was touched and dubbed for the release, but it's one of the best sounding live performances I've listened to, definitely worth it.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on July 10, 2016, 12:16:16 PM
Since the recent surge of FW love, I would also suggest checking out their live album Still Life. It has APSOG in full + awesome songs from previous albums, including the 20something minute Ivory Gates of Dreams. I don't know if the album was touched and dubbed for the release, but it's one of the best sounding live performances I've listened to, definitely worth it.

Actually listened to Disc 2 a couple of days ago!

A Pleasant Shade of Gray - TAC is wrong again 
:lol
I know, right!

No Exit - Very cool album. Interestingly, the melodies still have a touch of the vocal acrobatics we heard from the Arch -era albums.
Very true and was thinking the same think as I was listening the other day. I find it a little Queensryche-ish.


I've always thought Ray tried a bit too hard to maintain the Arch style on No Exit. It's certainly understandable for whomever made that decision, but I'm glad he's since found his own style, and he obviously killed it on Theories of Flight (which I think is the best performance of his career).

I think Ray's peak was Parallels/Inside Out. Theories is certainly his most improbable. But yes, it IS an amazing performance. Everyone's performance on Theories is amazing.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: pogoowner on July 10, 2016, 01:23:29 PM
Everyone's performance on Theories is amazing.
I'll be the first to admit that I don't know that much about drumming--it's the only typical rock instrument that I never learned to play--but Bobby Jarzombek is fast becoming one of my favorite drummers, and I think he definitely deserves some credit for how good this album sounds.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on July 10, 2016, 01:57:30 PM
Everyone's performance on Theories is amazing.
I'll be the first to admit that I don't know that much about drumming--it's the only typical rock instrument that I never learned to play--but Bobby Jarzombek is fast becoming one of my favorite drummers, and I think he definitely deserves some credit for how good this album sounds.

It's a team effort for sure. Joey Vera knocks this out too.

Bobby Jarzombek actually reminds me a little of Mark Zonder, but is way more powerful.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: PowerSlave on July 10, 2016, 03:37:13 PM
In Ray's defense on No Exit, if I remember right, he only had a very short period of time to write the vocal melodies for the album. He was brought into the band, then into the studio very quickly. Considering the fact that he was doing all of this for the very first time in his life with that quick of a turn around I think he did an admirable job.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: LudwigVan on July 10, 2016, 05:21:42 PM
No Exit - Very cool album. Interestingly, the melodies still have a touch of the vocal acrobatics we heard from the Arch -era albums.
Very true and was thinking the same think as I was listening the other day. I find it a little Queensryche-ish.

 
Yes! There were definitely some moments on No Exit that I went, wait.... is this Queensryche? The thing is, since this music was pretty  much concurrent, it's hard to tell who came first.

I think Ray's peak was Parallels/Inside Out. Theories is certainly his most improbable. But yes, it IS an amazing performance. Everyone's performance on Theories is amazing.
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The thing about Inside Out for me is that it has some good songs, but the production is kind of sterile and laid back. It's missing that aggressive edge.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: LudwigVan on July 10, 2016, 05:23:46 PM
 
Very true and was thinking the same think as I was listening the other day. I find it a little Queensryche-ish.

 
Yes! There were definitely some moments on No Exit that I went, wait.... is this Queensryche? The thing is, since this music was pretty  much concurrent, it's hard to tell who came first.

I think Ray's peak was Parallels/Inside Out. Theories is certainly his most improbable. But yes, it IS an amazing performance. Everyone's performance on Theories is amazing.
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The thing about Inside Out for me is that it has some good songs, but the production is kind of sterile and laid back. It's missing that aggressive edge.
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Sorry for the quote fail  :loser:
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: seasonsinthesky on July 10, 2016, 06:15:50 PM
Theories of Flight is amazing! I had tried to get into the band with various other albums but nothing clicked, and certainly not like this one. "Seven Stars" got me immediately, and now every other song is opening up just as much. Loving it more with every listen.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on July 10, 2016, 06:26:09 PM

Sorry for the quote fail  :loser:
:lol

The thing about Inside Out for me is that it has some good songs, but the production is kind of sterile and laid back. It's missing that aggressive edge.

At the time, I really enjoyed it. Melody, especially vocally, were in short supply in the FW catalog at the time. Listening back to it now, it does come off as slightly weaker. Not that it hasn't aged well, but that most of their catalog has aged much better.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: bosk1 on July 10, 2016, 08:05:26 PM
I think Ray's peak was Parallels/Inside Out. Theories is certainly his most improbable. But yes, it IS an amazing performance. Everyone's performance on Theories is amazing.
Ray is actually one of the major reasons I don't get into a lot of their back catalog.  I just don't like his timbre back then, most of the time.  To go outside the genre a bit, I would kind of compare it to Michael Sweet of Stryper.  Back in the '80s when the band were at their peak, he was doing some AMAZING things vocally.  But a lot of people are just kind of put off by his voice.  Nowadays, he is still incredibly powerful, but doesn't quite have the range he used to.  But his voice has a grit and warmth to it that he didn't have back then.  Kinda similar to Ray.  His voice in the early days was stellar--I'm not taking anything away from that.  But the quality of his voice just didn't do it for me.  I like the warmth and grit that has come with  age, even if some of the range may be diminished.  It really adds a lot of depth and emotion to his voice that I found missing, and makes his vocal parts much more interesting to me.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on July 12, 2016, 09:47:01 AM
I literally cannot decide which I like better, The Light And Shade Of Things or The Ghosts Of Home.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Nel on July 12, 2016, 09:54:44 AM
It was really the first time the band hooked me and made me want to listen to an entire album.  As I said earlier, I had liked a few individual songs up to this point.  But every time I tried listening to an entire album of theirs, I quickly got bored.  X wasn't amazing to me, but it was more than enough to hold my interest.

It was the same for me, or at least, a nice gateway to the rest of their stuff. FWX has some of the band's most accessible stuff to me. Left Here. Another Perfect Day, A Handful Of Doubt, and Wish all sound like they could be on mainstream radio. I liked those tracks the first time I heard them, and that finally gave me the patience to ease into more of their stuff.

Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Awaken on July 12, 2016, 10:11:57 AM
I literally cannot decide which I like better, The Light And Shade Of Things or The Ghosts Of Home.

This is the only issue I've had with this CD to be honest.  Each one is my favorite while it's playing.  This is exactly what I want from 'epics' - they end and I cannot figure out how 10 minutes passed already. 

It's really great seeing so much love for this effort universally - I cannot wait for the tour.  They always kick off in Hartford, I'll be there.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on July 12, 2016, 10:25:43 AM
They both totally hook me in a way that And Yet It Moves, while showcasing some great playing, never does.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Beowulf on July 12, 2016, 11:12:06 AM
Solid.  Simply, solid.  This album has no weak spots for me.  The entire album is golden!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: mike099 on July 12, 2016, 05:27:38 PM
My first Fates Warning CD.  The guitar parts in The Ghosts Of Home reminded me of early Rush. SOS :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 12, 2016, 05:30:16 PM
Anyone know how well the album did with first week sales?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Dublagent66 on July 13, 2016, 08:59:15 AM
Just got this a few days ago and my first impression was very good.  Better than DIADL.  On my 3rd spin now and it will get many more.  I've been a FW fan for a long time.  They have been consistently good for that long.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: jjrock88 on July 13, 2016, 10:15:02 AM
My copy just arrived yesterday so I'm late to the party.

Worth the wait, this is an excellent album.  As compared to Darkness, which was a grower, this one clicked right away.

For me, the best since Inside Out.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: twosuitsluke on July 13, 2016, 10:46:30 AM
Looking to pick up the new album soon as I've been wanting to give this band a listen and this new album seems a great place to start given all the positivity around it. If I do love this album then would it be well advised to then just start to work backwards chronologically?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Hanz Gruber on July 13, 2016, 10:54:00 AM
Good CD.  Much better than the last one

Disappointed in the Light and Shade chorus because the song is so awesome and the chorus doesn't flow well. This song deserved better.

I really like the last 3 tracks on the bonus CD.  Ray's voice sounds awesome on them.  Wish they would have done a version of "Wish" on the bonus cd
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: YtseJamittaja on July 13, 2016, 11:08:43 AM
I have never really gotten into FW or even Ray's voice until I heard this record. Damn, that was surprise how it got me right away! Some songs (especially SOS) sounds really OSI with heavy metal singer in my opinion but that's just great. Every song is great here so this album will be surprisingly high in my top albums of the year list. Doesn't fight with Haken but it's near.

Seven Stars is one of the best songs of the year. Instantly on my training playlist.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Hanz Gruber on July 13, 2016, 11:10:59 AM
Looking to pick up the new album soon as I've been wanting to give this band a listen and this new album seems a great place to start given all the positivity around it. If I do love this album then would it be well advised to then just start to work backwards chronologically?

A Pleasant Shade of Grey would be a great place to start IMO.  Accessible and good quality music
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Awaken on July 13, 2016, 12:35:26 PM
I have never really gotten into FW or even Ray's voice until I heard this record. Damn, that was surprise how it got me right away! Some songs (especially SOS) sounds really OSI with heavy metal singer in my opinion but that's just great. Every song is great here so this album will be surprisingly high in my top albums of the year list. Doesn't fight with Haken but it's near.

Seven Stars is one of the best songs of the year. Instantly on my training playlist.

Absolutely.  Like Stars our Eyes have Seen is right there with it for me, both are top tier FW short tunes.  Just a great album all around
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: bosk1 on July 13, 2016, 01:01:07 PM
Disappointed in the Light and Shade chorus because the song is so awesome and the chorus doesn't flow well. This song deserved better.

Interesting.  I love that chorus.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: devieira73 on July 13, 2016, 01:08:41 PM
Disappointed in the Light and Shade chorus because the song is so awesome and the chorus doesn't flow well. This song deserved better.

Interesting.  I love that chorus.

To me, especially the last time Ray sings it on that song, maybe it's the most emotional part of any song ever sung by Ray. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :chill
Excellent record, by a very solid/impressive band since Perfect Symmetry IMO!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Evermind on July 13, 2016, 01:19:25 PM
Disappointed in the Light and Shade chorus because the song is so awesome and the chorus doesn't flow well. This song deserved better.

Interesting.  I love that chorus.

Agreed. I think it's perfect for the flow. In fact, I think the whole song flows just perfectly.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: devieira73 on July 13, 2016, 01:31:11 PM
Disappointed in the Light and Shade chorus because the song is so awesome and the chorus doesn't flow well. This song deserved better.

Interesting.  I love that chorus.

To me, especially the last time Ray sings it on that song, maybe it's the most emotional part of any song ever sung by Ray. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :chill
Excellent record, by a very solid/impressive band since Perfect Symmetry IMO!

I meant, not exactly the chorus, but this part, kind of a "post-chorus":
"You're nowhere now, you're nowhere now
I know that it's hard to find
A heart that's there inside
It's hard to find your heart now"
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Mindflux on July 13, 2016, 01:31:50 PM
Ignore Hanz. He gets thrown off the Nakatomi Tower for his poor taste.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on July 13, 2016, 02:39:31 PM

"You're nowhere now, you're nowhere now
I know that it's hard to find
A heart that's there inside
It's hard to find your heart now"

One of my all time Ray moments in their entire catalog.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on July 13, 2016, 03:19:30 PM

"You're nowhere now, you're nowhere now
I know that it's hard to find
A heart that's there inside
It's hard to find your heart now"

One of my all time Ray moments in their entire catalog.

Love that section, definitely one of the best sections on the album, that's for sure.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: ariich on July 13, 2016, 03:52:33 PM
Disappointed in the Light and Shade chorus because the song is so awesome and the chorus doesn't flow well. This song deserved better.

Interesting.  I love that chorus.

To me, especially the last time Ray sings it on that song, maybe it's the most emotional part of any song ever sung by Ray. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :chill
Excellent record, by a very solid/impressive band since Perfect Symmetry IMO!

I meant, not exactly the chorus, but this part, kind of a "post-chorus":
"You're nowhere now, you're nowhere now
I know that it's hard to find
A heart that's there inside
It's hard to find your heart now"
That section is just so damn good. Probably my favourite moment on the album.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 13, 2016, 06:15:23 PM
The light and shade of things is awesome and After that 6 min mark, I am in heaven.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: ? on July 14, 2016, 05:26:22 AM
I have never really gotten into FW or even Ray's voice until I heard this record. Damn, that was surprise how it got me right away! Some songs (especially SOS) sounds really OSI with heavy metal singer in my opinion but that's just great. Every song is great here so this album will be surprisingly high in my top albums of the year list. Doesn't fight with Haken but it's near.

Seven Stars is one of the best songs of the year. Instantly on my training playlist.
Great to hear you like it, man! :tup

"You're nowhere now, you're nowhere now
I know that it's hard to find
A heart that's there inside
It's hard to find your heart now"

One of my all time Ray moments in their entire catalog.
Mine as well! I named White Flag my favorite song in my review (here (http://www.musicalypse.net/2016-fates-warning-theories-of-flight-english/) for those who missed it), but Light and Shade has slowly but surely taken over. Also, The Ghosts of Home and the title-track is easily the best two-song closer combo on a FW album besides Still Remains and Disconnected 2 :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on July 14, 2016, 06:12:35 AM
To me, TOF (the song) and Disconnected 2 are pretty much just noise.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Evermind on July 14, 2016, 08:01:56 AM
Disappointed in the Light and Shade chorus because the song is so awesome and the chorus doesn't flow well. This song deserved better.

Interesting.  I love that chorus.

To me, especially the last time Ray sings it on that song, maybe it's the most emotional part of any song ever sung by Ray. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :chill
Excellent record, by a very solid/impressive band since Perfect Symmetry IMO!

I meant, not exactly the chorus, but this part, kind of a "post-chorus":
"You're nowhere now, you're nowhere now
I know that it's hard to find
A heart that's there inside
It's hard to find your heart now"
That section is just so damn good. Probably my favourite moment on the album.

I said it before and I'll say it again, my favourite moment of the whole album no doubt.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on July 15, 2016, 01:55:09 PM
A couple of cool play through videos of White Flag.

http://bravewords.com/news/fates-warning-hit-the-charts-with-theories-of-flight-new-white-flag-drum-bass-playthrough-video-streaming
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: YtseJamittaja on July 15, 2016, 02:52:14 PM
I have never really gotten into FW or even Ray's voice until I heard this record. Damn, that was surprise how it got me right away! Some songs (especially SOS) sounds really OSI with heavy metal singer in my opinion but that's just great. Every song is great here so this album will be surprisingly high in my top albums of the year list. Doesn't fight with Haken but it's near.

Seven Stars is one of the best songs of the year. Instantly on my training playlist.
Great to hear you like it, man! :tup

Actually your review was the reason I checked the album twice and it was worth it!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: ? on July 17, 2016, 05:46:39 AM
I have never really gotten into FW or even Ray's voice until I heard this record. Damn, that was surprise how it got me right away! Some songs (especially SOS) sounds really OSI with heavy metal singer in my opinion but that's just great. Every song is great here so this album will be surprisingly high in my top albums of the year list. Doesn't fight with Haken but it's near.

Seven Stars is one of the best songs of the year. Instantly on my training playlist.
Great to hear you like it, man! :tup

Actually your review was the reason I checked the album twice and it was worth it!
Oh cool, I'm glad I managed to convince at least one person to check it out!
A couple of cool play through videos of White Flag.

http://bravewords.com/news/fates-warning-hit-the-charts-with-theories-of-flight-new-white-flag-drum-bass-playthrough-video-streaming
Bobby's playing barefooted? :o
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: jammindude on July 17, 2016, 09:13:00 AM
My review of Theories of Flight....(and a brief review of my latest CD haul)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9aB9E7RxxI
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Mebert78 on July 20, 2016, 11:39:52 AM
Just posted by Bobby on Facebook:

"Hey all, I'm in CT for a few days. I'm here at The Carriage House Studios with Fates Warning. We're not here recording, we're shooting band videos for 2 songs from our new release 'Theories Of Flight'. Not sure when these videos will be released, but until then, check out the drums and bass play-through video of me and Joey on the song 'White Flag' from the new cd."

Drum and bass play-through link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=317&v=dwtknUNsCx0
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on July 20, 2016, 03:25:11 PM
 :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Dublagent66 on July 21, 2016, 02:41:44 PM
Liking this album more and more with each listen.  FW is one of the most underrated bands out there.  They deserve a lot more recognition than they get.


My review of Theories of Flight....(and a brief review of my latest CD haul)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9aB9E7RxxI

Great review Jammin.  I agree with all of it.  Good job.   :tup
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: jammindude on July 21, 2016, 05:55:31 PM
Thank you.   

I thought it was pretty cool that Ray himself retweeted and "favorited" my review.    (didn't lead to a lot of extra views, which surprised me a bit, but I thought it was cool that he did that)
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Dublagent66 on July 21, 2016, 07:22:44 PM
You're welcome.  Wow, that is pretty cool.  Right on.   :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Beowulf on July 22, 2016, 09:31:46 AM
Disappointed in the Light and Shade chorus because the song is so awesome and the chorus doesn't flow well. This song deserved better.

Interesting.  I love that chorus.

To me, especially the last time Ray sings it on that song, maybe it's the most emotional part of any song ever sung by Ray. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :chill
Excellent record, by a very solid/impressive band since Perfect Symmetry IMO!

I meant, not exactly the chorus, but this part, kind of a "post-chorus":
"You're nowhere now, you're nowhere now
I know that it's hard to find
A heart that's there inside
It's hard to find your heart now"
That section is just so damn good. Probably my favourite moment on the album.

I said it before and I'll say it again, my favourite moment of the whole album no doubt.

I completely agree.  I can't get enough of this song.  The whole album is solid, but this is definitely one of the top standouts for me.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Dublagent66 on July 22, 2016, 11:12:52 AM
Yeah, TLASOT is probably the best song on the album.  The chorus and vocal melodies are absolutely stellar.  Ray just nails everything on this album and they pretty much all do for that matter.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Beowulf on July 22, 2016, 02:17:02 PM
Being a newer fan, the last album was good, but this one is my fav.  hands down.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Dublagent66 on July 25, 2016, 10:44:28 AM
Yeah, me too.  Excellent album.  Honestly, the only thing I don't care for is the voice samples in ToF.  It really detracts from what is otherwise a great album closer.


BTW, in ToF the section between 1:47 and 2:20 is brilliant.   :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Beowulf on July 26, 2016, 09:02:16 AM
Now we need TOUR DATES!!!  I missed them the last time they came to Dallas, and will NOT miss them again!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Mebert78 on July 26, 2016, 10:50:36 AM
Now we need TOUR DATES!!!  I missed them the last time they came to Dallas, and will NOT miss them again!

I believe Joey is touring with Armored Saint this fall, so FW shows might not come until next year, unfortunately.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: SoundscapeMN on July 29, 2016, 11:09:37 PM
Theories of Flight just moved way up on the rateyourmusic.com 2016 Album Chart, up to #5, right behind Swans, and just ahead of King Crimson new live album.

https://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/2016
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on July 31, 2016, 04:46:29 AM
Listened to this album again in the car this weekend, so good.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: jjrock88 on July 31, 2016, 02:35:24 PM
Listened to this album again in the car this weekend, so good.

 :metal

Seven Stars is my fav so far
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on July 31, 2016, 02:41:02 PM
Listened to this album again in the car this weekend, so good.

 :metal

Seven Stars is my fav so far

Brilliant song that one.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Dublagent66 on August 01, 2016, 01:19:50 PM
Listened to this album again in the car this weekend, so good.

 :metal

Seven Stars is my fav so far

Brilliant song that one.

Yes, I think that is my new favorite.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: bosk1 on August 02, 2016, 08:12:22 AM
They pretty much ALL are brilliant songs.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on August 02, 2016, 03:02:08 PM
Ghost of Home still easily my favourite, so good.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: PowerSlave on August 03, 2016, 03:33:51 AM
Ghost of Home still easily my favourite, so good.

I didn't care for it at first, but I've definitely warmed up to it. The only track that I don't care about is the final one. Everything else on the album is amazing!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Dublagent66 on August 03, 2016, 08:38:20 AM
Anybody think that ToF is too short?  I really wish they would've extended such a great closer.  Could've used a few more variations on that epic middle section.  Oh well, still awesome.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: abydos on August 03, 2016, 11:10:55 AM
I like it as is, short and sweet, kind of like a satisfying cliffhanger but still offering closure. Too bad the special edition didn't feature a version of it remixed by Kevin Moore.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Dublagent66 on August 04, 2016, 08:34:42 AM
Special Edition?  I must've missed something.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: goo-goo on August 04, 2016, 08:55:14 AM
Special Edition?  I must've missed something.

The special edition is a 2CD version. It has a bonus disc with 6 extra acoustic songs: 3 cover songs and 3 FW songs.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: mike099 on August 04, 2016, 11:06:43 AM
Ghost of Home still easily my favourite, so good.

Same here.  The guitar sounds like early Rush to me.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Evermind on August 04, 2016, 11:07:18 AM
The Ghosts of Home is easily my least favourite, but still a cool song. And yeah, the album is magnificent.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on August 04, 2016, 02:58:31 PM
Special Edition?  I must've missed something.

The special edition is a 2CD version. It has a bonus disc with 6 extra acoustic songs: 3 cover songs and 3 FW songs.

I haven't even listened to the second cd yet.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on August 04, 2016, 02:58:56 PM
The Ghosts of Home is easily my least favourite, but still a cool song. And yeah, the album is magnificent.

This just shows how insanely strong this album is.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on August 04, 2016, 03:08:31 PM
The Ghosts of Home is easily my least favourite, but still a cool song. And yeah, the album is magnificent.

This just shows how insanely strong this album is.

This just shows how insanely insane Evermind is.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on August 04, 2016, 03:27:44 PM
The Ghosts of Home is easily my least favourite, but still a cool song. And yeah, the album is magnificent.

This just shows how insanely strong this album is.

This just shows how insanely insane Evermind is.

That too, yeah.  :rollin
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Dublagent66 on August 05, 2016, 09:29:06 AM
Special Edition?  I must've missed something.

The special edition is a 2CD version. It has a bonus disc with 6 extra acoustic songs: 3 cover songs and 3 FW songs.

Bummer.  I don't see a special edition on iTunes.  :(
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: bosk1 on August 05, 2016, 09:35:00 AM
I have never really been a FW fan.  I have pointed that out in the past. 

I love The Astonishing.  I still have no idea where I will ultimately rank it because, notwithstanding that I really like it, I don't know if it will really have a lot of staying power in the long run.  But I do love it.

And yet, Theories of Flight may end up being my album of the year for 2016.  It is that good.  Since SFAM, I have never not had a DT album as my album of the year in a year they had a release (in 2009, Redemption and Transatlantic challenged BCSL, but at least at the time, I still gave the nod to DT).  But this album is that good.  What a huge accomplishment for a band that is this far into their career.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Evermind on August 05, 2016, 11:13:43 AM
I have never really been a FW fan.  I have pointed that out in the past. 

I love The Astonishing.  I still have no idea where I will ultimately rank it because, notwithstanding that I really like it, I don't know if it will really have a lot of staying power in the long run.  But I do love it.

And yet, Theories of Flight may end up being my album of the year for 2016.  It is that good.  Since SFAM, I have never not had a DT album as my album of the year in a year they had a release (in 2009, Redemption and Transatlantic challenged BCSL, but at least at the time, I still gave the nod to DT). But this album is that good.  What a huge accomplishment for a band that is this far into their career.

Damn right it is. I didn't expect this at all - I was expecting more plodding and heavier approach as they did with DiaDL - but this album just blew me away on the first listen and continues to do so every time I put it on.

The Ghosts of Home is easily my least favourite, but still a cool song. And yeah, the album is magnificent.

This just shows how insanely strong this album is.

This just shows how insanely insane Evermind is.

That too, yeah.  :rollin

:lol
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: LudwigVan on August 05, 2016, 01:07:53 PM
I have never really been a FW fan.  I have pointed that out in the past. 

I love The Astonishing.  I still have no idea where I will ultimately rank it because, notwithstanding that I really like it, I don't know if it will really have a lot of staying power in the long run.  But I do love it.

And yet, Theories of Flight may end up being my album of the year for 2016.  It is that good.  Since SFAM, I have never not had a DT album as my album of the year in a year they had a release (in 2009, Redemption and Transatlantic challenged BCSL, but at least at the time, I still gave the nod to DT).  But this album is that good.  What a huge accomplishment for a band that is this far into their career.

I think Theories of Flight blows the doors off The Astonishing.  But this coming from a Fates Warning fan who sees FW and DT as being pretty close over the years in a head-to-head battle of prog-metal bands.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on August 05, 2016, 02:27:45 PM
For me there is just no comparing the two albums IMO, TOF leaves TA for dead in every single aspect.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on August 05, 2016, 03:06:02 PM
I think Theories of Flight blows the doors off The Astonishing. 

For me there is just no comparing the two albums IMO, TOF leaves TA for dead in every single aspect.

No issue with anyone picking TOF over TA. It's a great album. To me, FW has had a lot of ups and downs, but TOF is next level great. So I'll give it that. But you guys are selling TA way too short.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: gazinwales on August 05, 2016, 08:56:56 PM
TA is the first DT album I have not bought and I have a collection of over 200 official CD's including bootlegs.
The last 2 were not impressive and TA sealed it for me, I'm pretty much done with any new stuff from DT.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: LudwigVan on August 06, 2016, 01:06:20 AM
I think Theories of Flight blows the doors off The Astonishing. 

For me there is just no comparing the two albums IMO, TOF leaves TA for dead in every single aspect.

No issue with anyone picking TOF over TA. It's a great album. To me, FW has had a lot of ups and downs, but TOF is next level great. So I'll give it that. But you guys are selling TA way too short.

From my own personal perspective, I have TOF neck and neck with ADTOE.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on August 06, 2016, 11:36:52 AM
Redeemed!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: seasonsinthesky on August 08, 2016, 08:56:54 AM
Anybody know why both "Something From Nothing" and "Still Remains" are missing from Disconnected on Spotify? Bloody streaming services. It's on Apple Music.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: SoundscapeMN on August 08, 2016, 09:09:24 AM
that's pathetic.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: gilpdawg on August 08, 2016, 10:23:51 AM
Anybody know why both "Something From Nothing" and "Still Remains" are missing from Disconnected on Spotify? Bloody streaming services. It's on Apple Music.
Hm...they aren't on Google Play Music Unlimited either. (except for the versions in my cloud, that is)
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Dublagent66 on August 15, 2016, 11:27:24 AM
The Light and Shade of Things gets stuck in my head often.   :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: mike099 on August 18, 2016, 05:37:13 PM
Theories of Flight is my first purchase of Fates Warning and I love it.  I listened to samples of their material after learning that Ray Alder was the singer, but did not really give it a fair shot. I normally like the heavier material from most bands.  Is there another cd of FW that is on the heavy side?

Thanks   
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: abydos on August 18, 2016, 05:41:35 PM
Disconnected, FWX, Darkness in a Different light are their heaviest other than the latest one.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on August 18, 2016, 08:07:08 PM
FWX isn't in TOF's league, but if you like TOF, Disconnected should be next.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: PowerSlave on August 19, 2016, 03:16:40 AM
Disconnected, FWX, Darkness in a Different light are their heaviest other than the latest one.

There are some fairly heavy moments on The Spectre Within and No Exit. More in the mode of thrash at the times that the albums were released ect. ect...
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Mebert78 on August 19, 2016, 07:21:33 PM
FWX isn't in TOF's league, but if you like TOF, Disconnected should be next.

I agree!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: jammindude on August 19, 2016, 07:47:54 PM
Get No Exit.....right away.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Dublagent66 on August 23, 2016, 08:09:10 AM
Yeah, No Exit is a definite must.  :2metal:
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Mister Gold on August 24, 2016, 06:07:14 AM
Get No Exit.....right away.
Yeah, No Exit is a definite must.  :2metal:

Yup, one of the more underrated Fates albums imo. :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: NoseofNicko on August 24, 2016, 08:10:28 AM
Get No Exit.....right away.
Yeah, No Exit is a definite must.  :2metal:

Yup, one of the more underrated Fates albums imo. :metal

+3
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: pogoowner on August 24, 2016, 02:51:00 PM
It should be noted that, while No Exit may be good, it is not even remotely similar to Theories of Flight. So I don't know if it's necessarily the album I would recommend next.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Mister Gold on August 24, 2016, 06:26:19 PM
It should be noted that, while No Exit may be good, it is not even remotely similar to Theories of Flight. So I don't know if it's necessarily the album I would recommend next.

This is definitely true. No Exit is more musically akin to the John Arch era of Fates Warning, I think. However until Theories of Flight and DiaDL came out, I'd argue it was definitely the heaviest Fates album out there and is a great, underrated entry from the band.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on August 24, 2016, 06:32:03 PM
Right, but the original question poised was where to go to next and what would be closest to TOF, and Disconnected is it.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on August 25, 2016, 06:14:36 AM
Right, but the original question poised was where to go to next and what would be closest to TOF, and Disconnected is it.

Probably Disconnected.  It's a different beast to TOF though, much less in your face, more spacious, more ambiance and prog IMO.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Mebert78 on August 25, 2016, 10:08:23 AM
I love the sounds and ambiance in Disconnected.  A few years ago, I was looking through the liner notes and realized that Steve Tushar provided "additional keyboards, sequencing and noise" to Disconnected.  Tushar worked w/ Kevin Moore on Chroma Key's You Go Now, which was also released in 2000.  So, for those who like CK, there's a link in the ambiance contributions from YGN and Disconnected.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: NotePad on August 25, 2016, 10:21:50 AM
Hansi from Blind Guardian has often cited Fates Warning as an influence, particularly early Fates Warning. I'm looking to get into them, what albums should I listen to?

The only Fates Warning I've heard was some of Darkness In A Different Light. What is the general opinion of it from fans?
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: abydos on August 25, 2016, 02:47:49 PM
DIADL is very well received at the time and while it's still a great record today, it is vastly outshined by the latest one. In every way from production, to songwriting. That said, it's still a great album worth listening to. If you like it, check Theories of Flight next as it's a somewhat similar in direction but improved in every single way and it has a lot more ambience to it even without a keyboard player and has a superior pacing as well.

If you're looking into more metal-oriented FW sound, look at albums like No Exit, pretty much anything pre-Parallels.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: LudwigVan on August 25, 2016, 02:53:54 PM
Awaken the Guardian is frequently mentioned as being a classic prog-metal album that was very influential to the genre.  The music on Awaken is definitely 'out there' and can be tough to digest.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: TAC on August 25, 2016, 03:47:17 PM
I think the production doesn't help it either. It's hard to follow the guitar lines. Of course with ZERO vocal melody, it's even more difficult to follow. But I think if one can find a way to dig into it, it's an amazing album.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: LudwigVan on August 25, 2016, 09:12:47 PM
Yeah Awaken the Guardian is quite dense. The vocals twist and turn all over the place. You'd think a song's melody is heading one way and then without warning it cuts back in a completely different direction. The guitar riffs too! 

But I think you can draw a straight line from bands like Zero Hour, Cynic and Spiral Architect right back to this album.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Cyclopssss on August 26, 2016, 01:49:44 AM
Perfect Symmetry  is a pretty good transitional record.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Tomislav95 on August 26, 2016, 02:15:58 AM
Perfect Symmetry  is a pretty good transitional record.
Yep. Actually, I'm surprised by lack of mentions of that album here. 
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: PowerSlave on August 26, 2016, 03:33:20 AM
Perfect Symmetry  is a pretty good transitional record.
Yep. Actually, I'm surprised by lack of mentions of that album here.

In my opinion, it's their most progressive album and I really like most of the songs. It does suffer from horrible guitar tone. I'm not sure what they were thinking when they decided to go with that sound in the studio. Through Different Eyes was probably their first "radio friendly" song/single. Chasing Time and Nothing Left to Say are top-notch FW!!!
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Tomislav95 on August 26, 2016, 03:42:34 AM
In my opinion, it's their most progressive album and I really like most of the songs. It does suffer from horrible guitar tone. I'm not sure what they were thinking when they decided to go with that sound in the studio. Through Different Eyes was probably their first "radio friendly" song/single. Chasing Time and Nothing Left to Say are top-notch FW!!!
I was fortunate enough to hear them play Through Different Eyes and Part of the Machine two years ago :)
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: LudwigVan on August 26, 2016, 09:35:00 AM
Perfect Symmetry  is a pretty good transitional record.
Yep. Actually, I'm surprised by lack of mentions of that album here.

I love Perfect Symmetry.  Had actually mentioned it in the 'Albums you appreciate but nobody else does' thread.   Both No Exit and Perfect Symmetry can be considered transitional albums, as you can hear the evolution of the band from one era to the other.  Those 2 albums are like watching an artist at work, or a painter at the canvas trying to hash out what the finished product should be.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: pogoowner on August 26, 2016, 10:07:48 AM
Perfect Symmetry  is a pretty good transitional record.
Yep. Actually, I'm surprised by lack of mentions of that album here.

I love Perfect Symmetry.  Had actually mentioned it in the 'Albums you appreciate but nobody else does' thread.   Both No Exit and Perfect Symmetry can be considered transitional albums, as you can hear the evolution of the band from one era to the other.  Those 2 albums are like watching an artist at work, or a painter at the canvas trying to hash out what the finished product should be.
I love Perfect Symmetry as well. It's one of their best very best albums, in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: wolfking on August 28, 2016, 05:35:57 AM
Lots of love for Perfect Symmetry here also.  I always thought it was a highly regarded album from Fates among fans, and obviously such an important part of the bands transistion in style and sound.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: jjrock88 on August 28, 2016, 12:00:12 PM
Perfect Symmetry is top tier for me as well

As far as Theories of Flight goes, this is just a beast of an album.  Gets better and better all the time, and I can't see it not being my album of the year.  Just fantastic.

I think my new favorite song is now "The Light and Shade of Things"
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Dublagent66 on August 28, 2016, 12:10:13 PM
I became a FW fan after Ray Alder joined.  Not a John Arch fan at all, but the music from that era is still good.  Since my fandom started in the late 80's, APSOG is still my favorite FW album hands down.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Mister Gold on August 28, 2016, 01:52:40 PM
Perfect Symmetry is top tier for me as well

As far as Theories of Flight goes, this is just a beast of an album.  Gets better and better all the time, and I can't see it not being my album of the year.  Just fantastic.

I think my new favorite song is now "The Light and Shade of Things"

Same. I'm stoked for Alter Bridge's new album, but I'm skeptical that they have any shot of topping Theories of Flight this year.

And yes, The Light and Shade of Things... just...  :hefdaddy :metal
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 28, 2016, 03:30:01 PM
Finally listened....


The Light and Shade of Things....

My god....what a nice song. It's a mix of both Wish and Still Remains.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Dublagent66 on September 01, 2016, 09:38:59 AM
Final track, Theories of Flight, first sample after clean guitar starts, "I know your dog was in the military."  :lol  I know it's probably "dad", but totally sounds like dog.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: mike099 on September 01, 2016, 11:26:57 AM
Final track, Theories of Flight, first sample after clean guitar starts, "I know your dog was in the military."  :lol  I know it's probably "dad", but totally sounds like dog.

 :lol  For some reason this song comes up often in my 550 song ipod shuffle.  The ladies voice really annoys, but love the riffs in the song.
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Cyclopssss on September 02, 2016, 02:31:44 AM
"I'm from Seattle"
Title: Re: The Official Fates Warning thread v. Theories of Flight
Post by: Dublagent66 on September 02, 2016, 11:27:10 AM