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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: KevShmev on May 17, 2010, 01:06:28 PM
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The red-headed stepchild of the DT song family, this song never seems to get the respect it deserves, if you ask me. One of the highlights on the debut record, this is a killer tune that needs more love. :hat
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I completely agree. One of my favorites from the first album. I like the key parts very much.
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Awesome song. WDADU as a whole never gets enough love, but this song especially.
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I love when song meanings are not that obvious, as in this case. Well, it wasn't that obvious to me at least. I didn't totally get it until I saw Kevin explain it on the WDADRU dvd. It's about "f*cking and forgetting," as he said, in order to avoid getting hurt. Also, the warm keyboard pad in the middle section gives me chills everytime I hear it.
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Awesome song. WDADU as a whole never gets enough love, but this song especially.
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"Have you ever been used or will this be the first time?"
That's such an evil line.
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Great, great song. I love the instrumental section, it contains a groove that is not often found in DT songs. The vocal lines are pretty awkward, but the lyrics are pretty good for what they are.
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The red-headed stepchild of the DT song family, this song never seems to get the respect it deserves, if you ask me. One of the highlights on the debut record, this is a killer tune that needs more love. :hat
Amen brutha! My favorite off of WDaDU and definitely one that I would love to see live again (tho I was fortunate enough to see it twice in 2004).
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I'll be honest, I've never really cared for this song very much.
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...this is a killer tune that needs more love. :hat
Yes. It definitely suffers from some pacing issues at some points, but is overall a really good song. Has been one of my favorites on that album for a long time.
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I've always found it one of my WDADU favourites. I really love the part when the vocals enter, it feels really dynamic.
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This is still one of the best moments in DT history. :hat
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I love this song. A close contender for my favourite on WDaDU and in my top 25 Dream Theater songs.
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I waiver back and forth between loving this song and thinking its ok/not that great.
I haven't heard it in a while, but last I checked, I wasn't really into it.
I will give credit, though: this is an unusual song to say the least. I appreciate the riffs and structure of this song, considering its so bizarre.
Definitely underappreciated, though.
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It's a great track, one of the better ones on WDADU. :)
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The unique pacing of the lyrics make the song for me.
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I never really liked this song, but I'll admit that I haven't listened to the first album nearly as much as the rest. Maybe it'll grow on me or something.
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Probably tied w/ Only a Matter of Time for my favorite WDADU song.
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Okay, I listened to WDADU, and this song is better than I remembered. Will listen again.
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It's an ok song. JP's solo is the highlight for me.
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I got hooked with the "Would you like to sit and talk to me..." part. And then the song goes downhill into a bad 80s groove.
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Awesome song. WDADU as a whole never gets enough love, but this song especially.
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Ahhhhhhh... if only the original WDADU had a better production :sad:
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I think it's a great song, but I only listen to the WDADRU version. What Jordan does there is incredible!
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Favourite from WDaDU.
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it's in my top 10
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I listened to WDADU all the way through today, twice. Music is good, but I think Charlie's voice actually bugs me more the more I hear it. I was thinking maybe I'd get used to it after a while, but it just doesn't seem to happen.
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This song and The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun are two of the greatest prog metal songs ever written
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This song and The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun are two of the greatest prog metal songs ever written
The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun is another great song.
...WDADU as a whole never gets enough love...
This
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...WDADU as a whole never gets enough love...
This
That's a tough one, really. The dilemma is that it is perhaps the most polarizing album in the band's catalog in terms of people really liking it vs. people really not liking it. It gets some love, but not as much as any of their later albums. For me, as someone who likes it a lot, but not nearly as much as any of their later albums, I feel like it get just about the amount of love it should.
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LF&GA is my least favourite song on WD&DU, although it's not a bad song. But WD&DU isn't my least favourite album, I really like it! I think people often overlook it because of Charlie's vocals and the bad production. I didn't like it at first listen, either, but it grew on me.
This song and The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun are two of the greatest prog metal songs ever written
I agree with you on TOWHTSTS! I think it's one of the most underrated DT songs.
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Those two songs are the only songs that I prefer Charlies vocals over JLB's.
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I think people often overlook it because of Charlie's vocals and the bad production.
I think you are right.
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"I can't see where this is going" is one of my favorite sing-alongs in DT songs :lol I absolutely love this tune, and I although JLB's performance of it in WDADRU is good, I have another bootleg where they play the tune and JLB owns it. Man, James does seem to have bad luck in most official recordings :P
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"I can't see where this is going" is one of my favorite sing-alongs in DT songs :lol I absolutely love this tune, and I although JLB's performance of it in WDADRU is good, I have another bootleg where they play the tune and JLB owns it. Man, James does seem to have bad luck in most official recordings :P
QFT. One of these days MP should pull together a compilation DVD of all of James' strongest performances of a bunch of their classic songs.
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This is still one of the best moments in DT history. :hat
Will have to check this out on the way home, but I am assuming it is the bass & drum spot during the bridge . . .
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I listened to WDADU all the way through today, twice. Music is good, but I think Charlie's voice actually bugs me more the more I hear it. I was thinking maybe I'd get used to it after a while, but it just doesn't seem to happen.
I understand completely.
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This is still one of the best moments in DT history. :hat
Will have to check this out on the way home, but I am assuming it is the bass & drum spot during the bridge . . .
It is the little breakdown before the second chorus. I have a feeling you are talking about the same part. :metal
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3:50-3:53
This is still one of the best moments in DT history. :hat
Will have to check this out on the way home, but I am assuming it is the bass & drum spot during the bridge . . .
It is the little breakdown before the second chorus. I have a feeling you are talking about the same part. :metal
Yes, very nice. And I really miss the rhythm section dynamic MP and JM had on that record.
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Awesome song. But, I think Status Seeker and The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun are the sleepers on WDADU.
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Yes, very nice. And I really miss the rhythm section dynamic MP and JM had on that record.
Myung's sad bass lines are just incredible. It really is impressive how technically great Petrucci, Myung, Portnoy and Moore all were at such young ages on that record.
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The instrumental riff sections are crazy, the solo section is really atmospheric, and the vocal sections are plain groovy and catchy.
And even though it's so short, I think that one voice clip fits so perfectly
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Funny thing is im listining to it right now and holy shit !! I have come back to this cd at least 100 times since i bought it in the early 90's and now all of a sudden i LIKE it WTF!!
I always like light fuse , fortune and Ytse but now im really enjoying this cd for the first time ever without cringing from the vocals
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I really like the whole CD. Charlie I enjoy Charlie (not more than James) as well. The quality issue is why I rarely listen to it.
Most of my music listening is on my iPod. I make a play list hit random and like to forget about fussing with it. But with all those songs being quieter than the rest... you get my point.
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I really like the whole CD. Charlie I enjoy Charlie (not more than James) as well. The quality issue is why I rarely listen to it.
Most of my music listening is on my iPod. I make a play list hit random and like to forget about fussing with it. But with all those songs being quieter than the rest... you get my point.
Do you use or ever hear of the program mp3 gain ? Its pretty good for makeing all your mp3's volume gain even .
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Thank you. I shall look into this.
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As for me, I like The One Who Help to Set The Sun.
But I like this track, too.
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"I can't see where this is going" is one of my favorite sing-alongs in DT songs :lol I absolutely love this tune, and I although JLB's performance of it in WDADRU is good, I have another bootleg where they play the tune and JLB owns it. Man, James does seem to have bad luck in most official recordings :P
QFT. One of these days MP should pull together a compilation DVD of all of James' strongest performances of a bunch of their classic songs.
In theory there's a bootleg floating around out there titled 'When Dream and James Unite', with James performing all of the WDADU songs (quite possibly from different shows) back during the IaW era. If Mike were to release something like that as an official bootleg, I would buy like five copies, day one.
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"I can't see where this is going" is one of my favorite sing-alongs in DT songs :lol I absolutely love this tune, and I although JLB's performance of it in WDADRU is good, I have another bootleg where they play the tune and JLB owns it. Man, James does seem to have bad luck in most official recordings :P
QFT. One of these days MP should pull together a compilation DVD of all of James' strongest performances of a bunch of their classic songs.
In theory there's a bootleg floating around out there titled 'When Dream and James Unite', with James performing all of the WDADU songs (quite possibly from different shows) back during the IaW era. If Mike were to release something like that as an official bootleg, I would buy like five copies, day one.
There are 2 boots out there like that - When Dream and James Unite and When Dream and Today Unite. As for MP releasing something like that, the closest you'll come is either WDaDR or taking the official bootlegs and official releases and putting together a compilation yourself. FYI, TOWHtStS was not performed on the IaW tour - it was first performed with James during the Awake tour.
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"Someone told me...light fuse and get away!"
So good. :hat
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JLB's rendition is pretty brutal to listen to on WDADRU.
rumborak
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Maybe its because of the poor production or more likely.....Charlies vocals but I always consider WDADU as the 'demo album'.
Images & Words will always be the 1st album in my DT world.
In terms of the song, some great ideas and slick playing.
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I really love this song and the album as a whole. I have never had a problem with Charlie's voice personally. I actually can't stand some of the live records I've heard of LaBrie doing some of the vocals (the end of Killing Hand on LatM especially). There are definitely lines were LaBrie's voice is preferable though.
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It's really hard for me to decide if it's one of my favorites on WDADU or not... because I love all of the songs so much. I remember hearing it for the first time and really digging the intro. Great song. I have this strange love for all of the majesty-wdadu era music. Just has that raw ferocity and beauty that is lost on anything afterwards. Maybe I just enjoy the production? Bad as it sounds, I think it's a pretty damn awesome album, and a great debut.
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I'm surprised how many people like this tune. For me it suffers from the cut-and-paste nature of the song.
rumborak
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"Someone told me...light fuse and get away!"
So good. :hat
Just pointing this out. :biggrin:
The groove in this song is nothing but amazing.
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Coming in here to say it's my third least favorite song. :biggrin:
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Great song. BrotherH can suck it
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Light Fuse and Get Away is easily my favourite from WDADU. Such a fucking cool song.
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Just a great album. Underappreciated and overlooked. The weak part is the vocals but it's still great. And a great song. Absolutely all over the place musically, but in a good way.
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this song both bugs the shit out of me and makes me a very happy Jay
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Not in my top half of the album, but an awesome song and one that is as underrated as the rest of the debut.
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It's really hard for me to decide if it's one of my favorites on WDADU or not... because I love all of the songs so much. I remember hearing it for the first time and really digging the intro. Great song. I have this strange love for all of the majesty-wdadu era music. Just has that raw ferocity and beauty that is lost on anything afterwards. Maybe I just enjoy the production? Bad as it sounds, I think it's a pretty damn awesome album, and a great debut.
I feel the same way about all their early material. There's just this sort of wild playing that doesn't appear on anything else they've done. I find this most evident in JMX's bass playing. I mean, on every single song he has his own unique part that he's playing. It's rare that he doubles what JP's doing on this album. I've always loved that about WDADU.
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My favorite from this album too! Maybe because it is oft kicked to the side, it makes it a rare treat to hear live (like Scotty, i was also fortunate in 2004).
Its an awkward song that takes some time to wrap your hands around, which is completely why I love listening to DT. Sometimes prog is a two way street wherein the listener must actively participate in slowly digesting the elements of a song. Thus, I appreciate it all the more.
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JLB's rendition is pretty brutal to listen to on WDADRU.
I just listened to it, and while brutal is not the word I would use, it definitely appears as if this song was one that was meant for Charlie's voice; JLB doesn't have the vocal style to really pull off this song well, which could explain its lack of play over the years. Plus, that live version musically just didn't have the great vibe the original had; they just weren't able to nail some of the little nuances that makes the studio version so cool, probably because they have barely played it live, so it isn't as ingrained in their minds and fingers as most of their other songs.
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But WD&DU isn't my least favourite album, I really like it! I think people often overlook it because of Charlie's vocals and the bad production.
Holy shit, a post by a 15-year-old Captain Obvious! :rollin
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But WD&DU isn't my least favourite album, I really like it! I think people often overlook it because of Charlie's vocals and the bad production.
Holy shit, a post by a 15-year-old Captain Obvious! :rollin
:rollin I laughed at that as well.
I used to think this was my least favourite DT song, but it grew on me a bit. It's still my least favourite from WDADU though. I think the intro drags for too long before the first verse enters, but after that point the song doesn't drag. It's actually pretty decent from that point on, and someone mentioned the ambient section right after the second chorus, before the solo section. REALLY good part there.
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To me, one of the better songs on WDADU. Lyrics are obvious but very good IMO.
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Best intro to a song on WDADU. I just love it. I remember listening to that intro over and over when I bought the CD.
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A thread related to WDADU, well here I am. :lol
The entire instrumental section from 4:15-5:41 gives me goosebumps. It's like a chill that lasts for a minute and a half. First it's the effects-laden keyboards that surround me, than it's the catchy drum lines underneath, than it's the great guitar solo (my 2nd favorite next to Afterlife). It's one of those musical moments where things like production quality go out the window. It's one of those times where I can simply enjoy what is happening without worrying about the finer details.
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"I can't see where this is going" is one of my favorite sing-alongs in DT songs :lol I absolutely love this tune, and I although JLB's performance of it in WDADRU is good, I have another bootleg where they play the tune and JLB owns it. Man, James does seem to have bad luck in most official recordings :P
QFT. One of these days MP should pull together a compilation DVD of all of James' strongest performances of a bunch of their classic songs.
In theory there's a bootleg floating around out there titled 'When Dream and James Unite', with James performing all of the WDADU songs (quite possibly from different shows) back during the IaW era. If Mike were to release something like that as an official bootleg, I would buy like five copies, day one.
There are 2 boots out there like that - When Dream and James Unite and When Dream and Today Unite. As for MP releasing something like that, the closest you'll come is either WDaDR or taking the official bootlegs and official releases and putting together a compilation yourself. FYI, TOWHtStS was not performed on the IaW tour - it was first performed with James during the Awake tour.
I need to find this When Dream and James Unite or When Dream and Today Unite! I've already hunted for my own bootlegs of these songs. There are plenty of decent versions of Ytse Jam, A Forunte in Lies and The Killing Hand. But some of the others are not so easy. I've come across a fairly satisfactory version of Status Seeker from the early 90s. But for the life of me, I can't find a decent version of Only a Matter or Time, even though there are a lot of versions of that song. It's just.. not good enough. :lol
As for Light the Fuse, and Ones Who set the Sun... Those are rarities that are hard enough to even find any recording of...
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Ok, yes I know it has an appreciation thread, but it deserves a WTF PEOPLE thread too. This is one of the greatest songs on one of DT's greatest albums (so really, one of the greatest albums ever), and I don't think I've ever heard another song ANYTHING like it.
It's freaking EVERYTHING good about music, and I've always known it doesn't get the attention it deserves for a few understandable reasons, but just today someone said to me "two worst songs of that album, which are also two of the worst songs they have ever put out" (grouped with TOWHTSTS), and that just knocked it over the edge. Are you people not listening to the bass, guitar, vocal lines, guitar, drums, keyboard, intro, verse, chorus, second verse, one of the greatest rhythmic themes ever (coupled with one of the most distortedly twisted and striking melody lines), one of the greatest variations on anything ever that they do to that theme, instrumental section, outro, bombastically explicit emotion, and energy of this song?? ??? ???
:angry: This needed to be said. One of the most distinctive songs I've ever heard jam packed with brilliant idea after brilliant idea. :biggrin:
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I agree.
That it's one of the two worst songs on WDADU, and one of the very worst songs DT has ever written. I'm not even convinced the band members are playing the same song.
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[...]but just today someone said to me "two worst songs of that album, which are also two of the worst songs they have ever put out" (grouped with TOWHTSTS), and that just knocked it over the edge.
So, I guess you could say that it was that comment that... lit the fuse.
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[...]but just today someone said to me "two worst songs of that album, which are also two of the worst songs they have ever put out" (grouped with TOWHTSTS), and that just knocked it over the edge.
So, I guess you could say that it was that comment that... lit the fuse.
AHWOHAAHOHAAAAAAAAOHWWOH!O!!OHEWJ!!!!!!!HAAAAAA :panicattack:
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I like WDADU much more than the average DT fan, but LFAGA has always been my least favorite song on the album. I find the transition into the fast verse pretty clumsy and the verse itself suffers from the way the lyrics are delivered. There's also something about the chorus that puts me off. Not one of the absolute worst DT songs ever, but not one I love, either.
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Something about early DT is just so ballsy. I guess that's the best way I could say it. I love all the albums throughout time (ADTOE is one of my top 3) but every once and a while I come across things in the modern-day DT songs that seem a little bit too held back. Just a thought.
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Co-signing the OP's post.
Light Fuse is badass.
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On a serious note, I like the song as well, and agree with the 'ballsiness' comment. The experimentation and sense of adventure to this song (and much of Dream Theater's early material) is just tremendous. But I think that the production and slightly raggedy performance is what lets it down. Unless you know what the band was trying to achieve, it can sound a bit like a jumbled mess. That's why I personally prefer the WDADReunite version, because there's just a bit more clarity to it, and ultimately displays the direction that the band were aiming.
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I agree with some of that.
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I wrote that comment you mentioned and yep, I don't like the song at all. Definitely my least favourite from WDADU.
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Sorry, I hate it as I do most of the debut album. The record put me off DT for nearly 25 years!
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That it's one of the two worst songs on WDADU, and one of the very worst songs DT has ever written. I'm not even convinced the band members are playing the same song.
To say nothing of the fact that the vocal melodies are just bad.
I'm sorry, I like WDADU, but LFAGA is just a bad song. TOWHTSTS is okay; though I don't think it lives up to its full potential, I think the chorus is very good as are some other parts. That one could have been a very good song with some smarter edits by more mature songwriters. The rest of WDADU is pretty good, even though there are some awkward parts. But LFAGA could never have been good and isn't good.
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This is one of the greatest songs on one of DT's greatest albums (so really, one of the greatest albums ever)
This,i vote for this song on DT league,almost every time. :loser:
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Light fuse and get away is a really good song. It would even be great if the chorus was slightly more convincing, I find it a bit repetitive. But overall, quite an underrated song, and I'd love to hear it live. However, the fact that the song has only been played about 15 times live tells me the band isn't really into it.
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However, the fact that the song has only been played about 15 times live tells me the band isn't really into it.
Yeah, the exact number is 12. The fact that it has been played only 4 times since Charlie's departure says a lot.
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I agree.
That it's one of the two worst songs on WDADU, and one of the very worst songs DT has ever written. I'm not even convinced the band members are playing the same song.
/smacks Blob upside his head :loser:
Gotta go with the OP that it's a great song - my personal favorite off of WDaDU, with TOWHtStS being a close second. Glad to see I'm not alone!
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I don't especially like it, but the 2004 added (or updated) instrumental section kicks major ass :metal
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Like all of When Dream And Day Unite, it rules. I've stopped trying to understand the hate for this song and album, I just chalk it up to bad taste. :laugh:
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Like all of When Dream And Day Unite, it rules. I've stopped trying to understand the hate for this song and album, I just chalk it up to bad taste. :laugh:
I chalk it up to the incredibly weak songwriting. Each to his own.
Even compared to WDADU, it's not one of the good ones.
AFIL is a pretty good song from start to finish aside from some minor phrasing issues and the bridge melodies, The Ytse Jam is a cool little instrumental, TKH isn't bad for a first attempt at a longer "epic" and is redeemed with JLB singing new melodies, and Afterlife is good too aside from some typical WDADU arrangement issues.
Even though I don't like it at all, I can see how someone might enjoy OAMOT, and SS at least has a half average chorus despite the rest being very poor.
But I can't hear a single redeeming feature in TOWHTSTS or LFAGA at all. At a stretch, I can understand people finding some enjoyment in all but these two songs. They're the perfect examples of what was wrong with the album.
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Like all of When Dream And Day Unite, it rules. I've stopped trying to understand the hate for this song and album, I just chalk it up to bad taste. :laugh:
:metal :tup
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Love Kevin's lyrics in this song. "Have you ever been used, or will this be the first time?"
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Sloppy songwriting, one of Dominici's worse performances, not a fan but I don't hate it really.
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I actually had to go and listen to it because of this post because I don't remember what it sounds like at all.
I couldn't get past the 3rd minute. And god that transition was bad.
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You want bad transitions in a DT song? Go listen to some of the jarring ones in Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence.
Anyway, Light Fuse and Get Away is a really good song, and it has long has been one of my two favorites from this record. 3:48-3:52 (that little lightning fast breakdown before the 2nd chorus) is still one of the best DT moments ever.
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Love Kevin's lyrics in this song. "Have you ever been used, or will this be the first time?"
Yeah, but "no pain no gain"?
Ouch.
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Ok, yes I know it has an appreciation thread, but it deserves a WTF PEOPLE thread too.
No, it really doesn't. (1) As you pointed out, there is already a thread (which this one has now been merged with). Please do not start duplicative threads. (2) The tone of this thread is not appropriate for the forum. People are entitled to like (or dislike) whatever they choose. You can appreciate without attacking others who may disagree with you.
And on topic, and for the record, I like the song. Not my favorite from the album, but not bad. I rank it in the upper half. It could perhaps be as high as #2 on the album if not for a few clunky things that don't work for me.
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Love Kevin's lyrics in this song. "Have you ever been used, or will this be the first time?"
Yeah, but "no pain no gain"?
Ouch.
I know, right? Who does that in a song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsqpKhzAg9A
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Light Fuse And Get Away is my second favorite from WDADU.
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Love Kevin's lyrics in this song. "Have you ever been used, or will this be the first time?"
Yeah, but "no pain no gain"?
Ouch.
Actually, the correct lyrics are "No gain, no pain". Meaning, if you don't bother getting anything real out of it, you won't get hurt.
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This Light Fuse thread pops up periodically, and once again I'll join with those defending this song. Love the progressive elements and blend of styles - definitely a dramatic exploration of music circa 1989. Seeing it live just about blew me away.
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I just listened to it, and payed attention to it for the first time, and it's a great song.
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"I can see where this is going." - Charlie Dominici's ex-girlfriend
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Actually, the correct lyrics are "No gain, no pain". Meaning, if you don't bother getting anything real out of it, you won't get hurt.
This. I think a lot of people miss out on the point of this song and write it off as clumsy, this lyric is kind of a symbol of that.
And okay Bosk, I get it. I'd still like to say, I want to specifically call it out as not only under-appreciated, but also not well understood and not given a fair chance by many people simply because of its obscurity; people don't even seem to know it well.