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Title: As much as I realize Black Sabbath's pivotal role in Heavy Metal history...
Post by: rumborak on May 11, 2010, 12:05:42 PM
seriously, they couldn't be bothered to tune the guitar before recording an album?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyHFxo0_pJs

WTF?

rumborak
Title: Re: As much as I realize Black Sabbath's pivotal role in Heavy Metal history...
Post by: Jamesman42 on May 11, 2010, 12:09:01 PM
System of a Down's version owns that one.
Title: Re: As much as I realize Black Sabbath's pivotal role in Heavy Metal history...
Post by: MykeHavoc on May 11, 2010, 12:18:25 PM
Iommi used 9's tuned down a step and a half due to his lack of finger tips for this era of Sabbath. See how easy it is to keep that shit in tune ;)
Title: Re: As much as I realize Black Sabbath's pivotal role in Heavy Metal history...
Post by: El Barto on May 11, 2010, 12:34:47 PM
It just sounds like standard Iommi tuning to me.  He's never sounded like traditional guitarists.   
Title: Re: As much as I realize Black Sabbath's pivotal role in Heavy Metal history...
Post by: AcidLameLTE on May 11, 2010, 12:35:37 PM
I love the sound of that song D:

System of a Down's version owns that one.
No.
Title: Re: As much as I realize Black Sabbath's pivotal role in Heavy Metal history...
Post by: Adami on May 11, 2010, 12:35:44 PM
Yea, I didn't listen to the whole song, but what I did hear sounded fine.
Title: Re: As much as I realize Black Sabbath's pivotal role in Heavy Metal history...
Post by: Jamesman42 on May 11, 2010, 12:42:32 PM
I love the sound of that song D:

System of a Down's version owns that one.
No.

Yes, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION.

HOPEFULLY THE CAPS LOCK WILL INDICATE YOUR INFERIORITY.  :justjen
Title: Re: As much as I realize Black Sabbath's pivotal role in Heavy Metal history...
Post by: AcidLameLTE on May 11, 2010, 12:45:22 PM
Dammit Brian.
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Post by: orcus116 on May 11, 2010, 12:45:40 PM
I'd imagine it's tough to play with prosthetic fingertips.
Title: Re: As much as I realize Black Sabbath's pivotal role in Heavy Metal history...
Post by: rumborak on May 11, 2010, 01:02:33 PM
I'd imagine it's tough to play with prosthetic fingertips.

I see that, but the issue with this recording is that one string is significantly off its intended tuning. I'm just amazed they wouldn't fix it before recording.

rumborak
Title: Re: As much as I realize Black Sabbath's pivotal role in Heavy Metal history...
Post by: orcus116 on May 11, 2010, 03:19:11 PM
It's more metal that way.
Title: Re: As much as I realize Black Sabbath's pivotal role in Heavy Metal history...
Post by: Dr. SeaWolf on May 11, 2010, 03:52:47 PM
God damnit I freaking love that song.  I hear nothing wrong with the guitar sound... typically muddy doomy Iommi style.
Title: Re: As much as I realize Black Sabbath's pivotal role in Heavy Metal history...
Post by: El Barto on May 11, 2010, 06:14:08 PM
This sounds the same to me, and it's live from many years later.  Granted, I don't have great pitch.  Is the same tuning present?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkbMd3Bygzs

Also, I tried to listen to the SoaD version, and like everything else they did, it's shit. 
Title: Re: As much as I realize Black Sabbath's pivotal role in Heavy Metal history...
Post by: glaurung on May 11, 2010, 06:27:21 PM
Sounds great to me.
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Post by: SPNKr on May 11, 2010, 07:06:45 PM
WTF is this thread on about? The song is fantastic, I love it to death, I love Black Sabbath and Tony Iommi to death also and this
Iommi used 9's tuned down a step and a half due to his lack of finger tips for this era of Sabbath. See how easy it is to keep that shit in tune ;)
And this.
It just sounds like standard Iommi tuning to me.  He's never sounded like traditional guitarists.   

I've been in many fail threads but this one is just absurd.
Title: Re: As much as I realize Black Sabbath's pivotal role in Heavy Metal history...
Post by: Fluffy Lothario on May 11, 2010, 07:12:56 PM
I dunno if you got that far into the song rumby, but

"Don't you think I know what I'm doing?
Don't tell me that I'm doing it wrong.
You're the one who's really the loser
This is where I feel I belong
HA!"

 :lol

I've always found that verse really strange. Despite the fact that the song presents a negative image of cocaine use, you have a verse in the middle that gets all defensive about it. It could be criticism of someone who holds that position, but it doesn't really feel like it to me.
Title: Re: As much as I realize Black Sabbath's pivotal role in Heavy Metal history...
Post by: Fuzzboy on May 11, 2010, 07:38:25 PM
I hear ya, Rumby.


Thing is, I don't care for Sabbath, so it doesn't bother me  :P
Title: Re: As much as I realize Black Sabbath's pivotal role in Heavy Metal history...
Post by: Dr. SeaWolf on May 11, 2010, 07:40:42 PM
Well then I don't care for you, so your post doesn't bother me.  *harumph*
Title: Re: As much as I realize Black Sabbath's pivotal role in Heavy Metal history...
Post by: Fuzzboy on May 11, 2010, 07:41:46 PM
Well then I don't care for you, so your post doesn't bother me.  *harumph*

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Title: Re: As much as I realize Black Sabbath's pivotal role in Heavy Metal history...
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 11, 2010, 07:48:27 PM
I find your argument flawless.
Title: Re: As much as I realize Black Sabbath's pivotal role in Heavy Metal history...
Post by: Gadough on May 11, 2010, 08:12:08 PM
Man forget Snowblind. Supernaut is the best Black Sabbath riff.
Title: Re: As much as I realize Black Sabbath's pivotal role in Heavy Metal history...
Post by: Perpetual Change on May 11, 2010, 10:05:13 PM
Though this was probably not rumby's intention, I didn't care for Black Sabbath before, and now I want to get more into them.
Title: Re: As much as I realize Black Sabbath's pivotal role in Heavy Metal history...
Post by: The Awesome on May 11, 2010, 10:56:55 PM
This thread is retarded, but at least I got to listen to Snowblind again.  :metal
Title: Re: As much as I realize Black Sabbath's pivotal role in Heavy Metal history...
Post by: SPNKr on May 11, 2010, 11:34:39 PM
Though this was probably not rumby's intention, I didn't care for Black Sabbath before, and now I want to get more into them.

Yes do that :biggrin:

This thread is retarded,
Title: Re: As much as I realize Black Sabbath's pivotal role in Heavy Metal history...
Post by: Zydar on May 12, 2010, 12:27:37 AM
I love Black Sabbath (Ozzy-era) and I find nothing wrong with the guitars in this or any other of their songs. I don't have perfect pitch but I find it really strange that they wouldn't tune their instruments right for an album recording.
Title: Re: As much as I realize Black Sabbath's pivotal role in Heavy Metal history...
Post by: wolfking on May 12, 2010, 04:25:18 AM
Why the fuck are we bagging Snowblind??  Sounds great to me, always has, and if I recall I think Iommi is tuned to C# for this song.
Title: Re: As much as I realize Black Sabbath's pivotal role in Heavy Metal history...
Post by: SPNKr on May 12, 2010, 04:29:50 AM
C# yes. And I agree.
Title: Re: As much as I realize Black Sabbath's pivotal role in Heavy Metal history...
Post by: rumborak on May 12, 2010, 09:35:02 AM
You guys make me sad, that you don't hear it  :-[

It's brutally clear at for example 6.5 seconds in, where Tony plays the arpeggiated chord. One string is tooootally out of tune there.

rumborak
Title: Re: As much as I realize Black Sabbath's pivotal role in Heavy Metal history...
Post by: KevShmev on May 12, 2010, 09:38:26 AM
Or it could be that some of us don't care. ;)  Listening to it, I always thought that little part sounded totally cool.  If it is the result of an out of tune guitar, I say, big deal.  It sounds good, regardless.  Flaws like that often give songs character. :tup :tup
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Post by: LudwigVan on May 12, 2010, 09:42:57 AM
Maybe because they liked the sound they got?   If that tuning was unintentional when they recorded the take, they could easily have re-done the take with the 'correct' tuning.  Iommi probably liked the way it came out and just left it as is.  

Or maybe they were so coked-up at the time that they couldn't be arsed.   :biggrin:
Title: Re: As much as I realize Black Sabbath's pivotal role in Heavy Metal history...
Post by: Dr. SeaWolf on May 12, 2010, 09:52:43 AM
Though this was probably not rumby's intention, I didn't care for Black Sabbath before, and now I want to get more into them.

Definitely do this.  The album that Snowblind is on (Vol. 4) is great, so if you like this song definitely get that album, and any other of their first 6 Ozzy-era albums (S/T, Paranoid, Master of Reality, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, and Sabotage).  It's all classic stuff.
Title: Re: As much as I realize Black Sabbath's pivotal role in Heavy Metal history...
Post by: Jakartabassplayer on May 12, 2010, 10:24:36 AM
This thread is retarded, but at least I got to listen to Snowblind again.  :metal
this
Title: Re: As much as I realize Black Sabbath's pivotal role in Heavy Metal history...
Post by: MykeHavoc on May 12, 2010, 11:09:00 AM
It's the open G string that he hits. Those always sound out of whack, especially between fretted notes on other strings. Even more so when down-tuned. It's really not as awful as you think. I mean sure, I've always noticed it's a bit off, but it isn't so bad that it hinders my enjoyment. I'm thinking it's due to double-tracking and Iommi not re-tuning between takes.