“I started writing with Mikael [Åkerfeldt] last month, finally. It’s still in the very early days. We wrote about 15 minutes of music last month in my studio near London and we’re very excited about it. I think people are going to be very surprised by the direction. If they’re expecting some kind of death-metal-progressive rock, they’re going to be surprised [because] it’s not like that,” Wilson continues.
“If you put the two of us together, the last thing we’re going to do is something similar to what people already know from our most high profile project. It’s very arty, very ambitious; it’s going to be epic. We’re still writing. [It’s going to be] very dark, very twisted, very experimental. It’s still rock music, but we’re trying to do something really, really special and really different with this.”
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It also mentions that SW's next solo album is going to be around 42 minutes in length, has a 21 minute song, and is very King Crimson.
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I almost fainted when I walked into this thread.
They are very talented musicans and writers, I just hope they find a good vocalist to work with :)We're talking of a project involving Mikael Akerfeldt lol
They are very talented musicans and writers, I just hope they find a good vocalist to work with :)We're talking of a project involving Mikael Akerfeldt lol
Recently, Wilson has collaborated with Mikael Åkerfeldt from Opeth and Mike Portnoy from Dream Theater.
I think that will be official until Portnoy posts something on the internet involving this project.They are very talented musicans and writers, I just hope they find a good vocalist to work with :)We're talking of a project involving Mikael Akerfeldt lol
And according to the interview, Portnoy is also involved.QuoteRecently, Wilson has collaborated with Mikael Åkerfeldt from Opeth and Mike Portnoy from Dream Theater.
I think that will be official until Portnoy posts something on the internet involving this project.They are very talented musicans and writers, I just hope they find a good vocalist to work with :)We're talking of a project involving Mikael Akerfeldt lol
And according to the interview, Portnoy is also involved.QuoteRecently, Wilson has collaborated with Mikael Åkerfeldt from Opeth and Mike Portnoy from Dream Theater.
A prog fans dream right there.
I could see a major styles clash with Portnoy being involved. I'd rather it just stay between Wilson and Aker.
This is very exciting. I've become something of an Opeth fanboy the last few months, and I've always loved Porcupine Tree.Agreed. If Portnoy is involved, I'd prefer he just be involved with the drumming, and nothing else.
If Portnoy is involved, cool, but if he is not, that is fine too. As a drummer, there is only so much he can do when it comes to actually writing the melodies, and as a producer*, I don't think he's anywhere near the level of Akerfeldt and Wilson.
*When I say "producer", I am referring to a position where creative input is given. What to do with melodies, what to do with vocals, etc.
Actually, to be honest, and no offense to Mike, I think if he IS to be involved, I'd rather see him as just a session drumming more than anything, kind of like with OSI or more recently, A7X. Just comes in, learns the songs, lays down the drum tracks - in, out, one week or two... That way, if needed, they could just sub another drummer for him if any of the material gets toured - ya know, no REAL huge commitments.
-Marc.
I think Gavin Harrison's drumming would probably be a better choice. From the description it sounds like it would suit him well. Like Blood, they would just send the tracks to him, he spends a week or so recording the parts and then sends em back. no fuss
But this "3 man super-group" idea has been hinted at for so long, Steven and Mikael would surely feel guilty to not ask Portnoy first.
Either way, I'm sure it's still going to be amazing. :hefdaddy
this sounds more like Gavin Harrisons thing.
I would be interested to see what Mike would bring to it.
I would be interested to see what Mike would bring to it.
I wouldn't, though he may finally get to do some the death growls he's been wanting to do for so long
I would be interested to see what Mike would bring to it.
I wouldn't, though he may finally get to do some the death growls he's been wanting to do for so long
Three Words - Death Growl Harmonies
-Marc.
Honestly, I'll bet they write all/most of the songs and get a feel for the vibe and style they want to go for before deciding on a drummer, rather than picking one ahead of time and then having the drummer's particular style influence the songwriting or direction.
I express nothing but approval at this project. I'm pretty indifferent as to if Mike's involved, but I'm sure it could add another layer if he is.
Yeah, it's probably going to suck ass.
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Damn, lotta hate for MP. I don't really mind if he's on it. I think he'd be fine, as the relationship with them is a lot better than with KevMo I'd say.
To my knowledge, the only person who's ever said anything about MP being involved in this project is MP. I've always seen it as a SW/MA collaboration, to which MP may (or may not) do the session drumming.
Damn, lotta hate for MP. I don't really mind if he's on it. I think he'd be fine, as the relationship with them is a lot better than with KevMo I'd say.
I don't think the two of them would want to use anyone from their current bands. With such a long-awaited collaboration I would like to think they'd do something fresher.
the last thing we’re going to do is something similar to what people already know from our most high profile project.
This will truly be awesome when it finally comes out. One thing I'm wondering is this:I think he is referring to Opeth and Porcupine Tree.Quotethe last thing we’re going to do is something similar to what people already know from our most high profile project.
Is he referring to BWP, Deliverance, and Damnation here?
Damn, lotta hate for MP. I don't really mind if he's on it. I think he'd be fine, as the relationship with them is a lot better than with KevMo I'd say.I don't see a lot of hate for MP here.
Please. I'm not one to defend Portnoy, but if you don't think this is people having something against him I don't know what to tell you.
As much as I would love to see Portnoy involved, this sounds more like Gavin Harrisons thing.As much as I love Harrison, I would love another drummer to participate in this project and not someone who playes regularly with these guys (Axenrot, Harrison).
Please. I'm not one to defend Portnoy, but if you don't think this is people having something against him I don't know what to tell you.
I don't have anything against him. He does what he has to do for Dream Theater. And he's a brilliant drummer.
But outside of DT, with musicians like Michael Akerfeldt and Steven Wilson (better musicians who offer far more range in their work) - he's just not needed as a creative influence.
I'd like to hear him on the drums as well, but there's loads of top class drummers out there. Is there loads of song writers like Wilson and Akerfeldt? Absolutely not.
Simply put, he isn't needed.
You guys DO realize that it will be Mikael and Steven rapping gangster (gangsta) style, right?
What else could it be?
Please. I'm not one to defend Portnoy, but if you don't think this is people having something against him I don't know what to tell you.I don't know what to tell you, either, because I don't see anything here that would lead me to think that anyone here has anything against him. Some people think Gavin Harrison (or other drummers) might be better suited for the project. Others hope that the creative power of the collaboration remains with Wilson and Akerfeldt, whether Portnoy participates or not, or that Portnoy wouldn't "produce" the way he does with DT. That isn't "people having something against him," and I don't know how you even got that.
This will truly be awesome when it finally comes out. One thing I'm wondering is this:I think he is referring to Opeth and Porcupine Tree.Quotethe last thing we’re going to do is something similar to what people already know from our most high profile project.
Is he referring to BWP, Deliverance, and Damnation here?
:D :DYou guys DO realize that it will be Mikael and Steven rapping gangster (gangsta) style, right?
What else could it be?
I could die happy after hearing that.
Once again, it's not MP hate.
Once again, it's not MP hate.
Once again, it's not MP hate.
This. MP is a fantastic drummer, and some of the stuff he's done is among my favorite drumming ever. I just tend to enjoy GH a lot more.
Bill BrufordOf course this would be exciting but I think Bruford is quite into another league.
/thread
-Marc.
Bill BrufordOf course this would be exciting but I think Bruford is quite into another league.
/thread
-Marc.
Once again, it's not MP hate.
This. MP is a fantastic drummer, and some of the stuff he's done is among my favorite drumming ever. I just tend to enjoy GH a lot more.
This, especially when it comes to a project like this.... GH seems like the most logical choice in terms of style.
There is chance that GH, as good as he is, will be very restrained like he has been in some of the PT albums, especially Deadwing.
When I saw PT live and they played Anesthetize, I saw with my own eyes Gavin Harrison healing a blind, deaf, mentally handicapped, quadriplegic, ugly, metrosexual asian with the power of his drumming.
When I saw PT live, I saw with my own eyes Gavin Harrison making a small white handkerchief disappear.
When I saw PT live and they played Anesthetize, I saw with my own eyes Gavin Harrison healing a blind, deaf, mentally handicapped, quadriplegic, ugly, metrosexual asian with the power of his drumming.
Although MP can be a huge creative force, if you look at OSI or Neal Morse I think you'd find he can also do as he's told and play what others want him to.
Although MP can be a huge creative force, if you look at OSI or Neal Morse I think you'd find he can also do as he's told and play what others want him to.
I sort of disagree, he threw a bitchfit over both OSI albums, even Free which he was only a session drummer for. I'll give you Neal Morse though.
Does Mike even KNOW Steven?Yes.
Does Mike even KNOW Steven?Yes.
Please. I'm not one to defend Portnoy, but if you don't think this is people having something against him I don't know what to tell you.But outside of DT, with musicians like Michael Akerfeldt and Steven Wilson (better musicians who offer far more range in their work) - he's just not needed as a creative influence.
Does Mike even KNOW Steven?Yes.
Like, personally, as a friend, etc. etc.? Well I suppose so, I mean, (and I almost for), Steven did contribute an apology to "Repentance", so I suppose they are aquainted.
Still, the chemistry between Mike and the other two would probably shape or change the direction of the music if they choose to involve him in that context.
-Marc.
SW's music is the complete antithesis of what DT does.
??? They aren't in the same circus. I agree with rumby.SW's music is the complete antithesis of what DT does.
How? Granted, they're different, but they're still very much under the same tent.
??? They aren't in the same circus. I agree with rumby.SW's music is the complete antithesis of what DT does.
How? Granted, they're different, but they're still very much under the same tent.
??? They aren't in the same circus. I agree with rumby.SW's music is the complete antithesis of what DT does.
How? Granted, they're different, but they're still very much under the same tent.
But if SW wants to do something completely different to PT, why not bringing something with a different musical perspective? I think that was what people were thinking when they said that bringing MP would make more sense than bringing Gavin Harrison. Of course, it can be the case that SW is not interested in Dt´s approach to music, but I think Mike is a really versatile guy (as his taste for music and side projects show) so he can definitely bring something new to the table.
I don´t really care, but I think MP´s side projects have been awesome, so if he does another one, I´ll be happy.
And very nice post PC. I don´t take for granted that SW or MA have better ideas than MP. Especially Mikael, if there is someone who sticks to a formula, I think that´s him. But that´s just my opinion.
I know SW has some weird insecurity about "being too prog,"
I know SW has some weird insecurity about "being too prog,"
wtf?
That doesn't mean he has some fear about 'being too prog', it means he doesn't consider PT a prog band. And comparing them to something like Yes, ELP, or even DT, I'd agree.
As for DT vs. PT, I don't really see how you can compare them musically. They share a lot of fans, but for the most part are quite different musically, and the way they approach music is drastically different.
With Wilson and Akerfeldt, it could go in so many different directions, each of which is pretty exciting, and the way I see it, if Portnoy were to be involved, especially in a creative sense at all, you know he would try to steer it towards combining the sounds of the three main bands they are all in, rather than trying to go to a place none of them have maybe gone before, which I could see Wilson and Akerfeldt doing on their own.
With Wilson and Akerfeldt, it could go in so many different directions, each of which is pretty exciting, and the way I see it, if Portnoy were to be involved, especially in a creative sense at all, you know he would try to steer it towards combining the sounds of the three main bands they are all in, rather than trying to go to a place none of them have maybe gone before, which I could see Wilson and Akerfeldt doing on their own.
I don't know if I agree with that, I mean, TA doesn't really sound like a combination of the four bands, but rather a combination of Neal Morse stuff and Flower Kings stuff. I barely hear any DT or Marillion in it. Also, OSI doesn't sound like a mix of Chroma Key, Fates Warning and DT (At least the first album where MP had any say).
As for Portnoy, I don't really see what he could add to this.
Also, PC, I know you aren't a big PT fan, but to say that DT is as diverse as them just doesn't make a lot of sense. DT is fairly diverse within their own somewhat narrow scope, if that makes sense, but PT has been all over the map stylistically when looking at each of their albums.
Dream Theater have been all over the map. Or, maybe, I should say Dream Theater used to be all over the map. I think it's unfair to judge DT simply based on their most recent output, but I can how SC and BC&SL would make one think that they're primarily a metal band.I have a feeling Kev's been a DT fan long enough he doesn't judge them just by current output :biggrin:
Dream Theater have been all over the map. Or, maybe, I should say Dream Theater used to be all over the map. I think it's unfair to judge DT simply based on their most recent output, but I can how SC and BC&SL would make one think that they're primarily a metal band.I have a feeling Kev's been a DT fan long enough he doesn't judge them just by current output :biggrin:
Just from doing that, I couldn't really find myself describing DT's music outside of "rock, prog, metal" while PT's has gone through so many phases that usually wouldn't be caught in the same room together. While DT has explored different styles, they've always stayed in their niche, while PT, especially early on, has just sort of gone for it and it just magically sounds perfect for them.
Well, then it's a good thing Mike Portnoy has been all over the map, playing in acts as varied as DT, TA, OSI and LTE. ;D
1. WDADU-80s style prog with a bit of Maiden and Rush and Marillion???
2. Images-Epic sounds, progressive metal. Symphonic Metal, "Classical," Funk, Kansas type sounds, piano ballads, power ballads???
3. Awake-BALLSBALLSBALLS less prog How about grundge, more jazz, more symphonic, electronic, acoustic???
4. Falling Into Infinity-More of a rock album than anything. Pop and light rock, grunge, more Rush and PF influences, more funk and bluesy type stuff???
5. Scenes-Their most "rocking" album to date, with more prog than metalBombastic, "light" rock, spiritual/gospel, "eastern" sounds, QUEEN, ragtime, psychedelic, etc ???
6. 6DoiT-Super Prog First disc? THere's electronic, thrash, more eastern influences, a big step into experimental radiohead-esque directions, seriously, there's stuff the band never did before and never did again on this album???
7. Train of Thought-Super Metal/Technicality More of those eastern and modern nu metal influences going on, symphonic, even some rap (ugh)
8. Octavairum-More prog pop than anything, but tracks 5-7 bring some heaviness Also more grunge, more ballads, more nu-metal, more symphonic, more 70s prog, more bombastic stuff, MUSE
9. Systematic Chaos-Prog Metal with monsters. BALLS Also, a big step in a symphonic metal direction; also takes a few pages out of newer prog-metal playbook, Mastadon and Lamb of God influences, while taking a step back to 80s prog and fantasy lyrics; also explores Opeth/PT territory
I think that, while DT may have been more all over the place in the past, they are going to be in the same place that they are now for the rest of their career. PT on the other hand, will continue to change and evolve.
I think that, while DT may have been more all over the place in the past, they are going to be in the same place that they are now for the rest of their career. PT on the other hand, will continue to change and evolve.
I'd agree. It's unfortunate, but true. On the upside, Dream Theater are in a good place now, where IN MY OPINION, Porcupine Tree keep changing for the worse.
DT has done grunge? Haha, that's a good one.
PT did step it up on The Incident, which was a fairly sizable upgrade over the very good Fear of a Blank Planet. And while Black Clouds and Silver Linings might not been on the level of DT's best three or four records, it was still a big upgrade over everything they had done since 2002, so I think both bands are in a good place right now, relatively speaking. You can't expect bands to keep releasing their best album this deep into their careers. But both bands have been around for roughly 20 years now, and both of their newest albums are in the upper half of their respective catalogs, if you ask me.
DT has done grunge? Haha, that's a good one.
Yeah, I think so. I grew up listening to those bands. DT borrowed just as much from those bands in the 90s as they borrowed from Tool and Radiohead in the late 90s and 00s and Muse and such on the last few albums.
DT has done grunge? Haha, that's a good one.
Yeah, I think so. I grew up listening to those bands. DT borrowed just as much from those bands in the 90s as they borrowed from Tool and Radiohead in the late 90s and 00s and Muse and such on the last few albums.
And maybe I'm being tough on PT by saying they're getting progressively worse. The Incident is a step up from Fear, but Fear is far from good.
DT has done grunge? Haha, that's a good one.
Yeah, I think so. I grew up listening to those bands. DT borrowed just as much from those bands in the 90s as they borrowed from Tool and Radiohead in the late 90s and 00s and Muse and such on the last few albums.
Sorry, but I don't see that at all. I think that was an overreaction by many to any band doing hard rocking or heavy stuff in the 90s. It was like, "Oh, grunge is the popular fad subgere right now, so any band that is doing hard rock riffs must be doing grunge." I have seen some say that about Rush's 90s material, which I also find to be absurd. What DT songs are grunge, if I may ask? I would submit that the hardest and heaviest riffs DT did in the 90s were influenced by their original influences - Metallica, Rush, Iron Maiden, etc.
He was joking.DT has done grunge? Haha, that's a good one.
Yeah, I think so. I grew up listening to those bands. DT borrowed just as much from those bands in the 90s as they borrowed from Tool and Radiohead in the late 90s and 00s and Muse and such on the last few albums.
Sorry, but I don't see that at all. I think that was an overreaction by many to any band doing hard rocking or heavy stuff in the 90s. It was like, "Oh, grunge is the popular fad subgere right now, so any band that is doing hard rock riffs must be doing grunge." I have seen some say that about Rush's 90s material, which I also find to be absurd. What DT songs are grunge, if I may ask? I would submit that the hardest and heaviest riffs DT did in the 90s were influenced by their original influences - Metallica, Rush, Iron Maiden, etc.
Grunge is a hard genre to pin down, because none of the grunge bands really sound too much like each other, but I always thought Caught in a Web, Lie, Burning My Soul and New Millenium had some pretty strong grunge influences showing. Not surprising at all they did that grunge medley with CIAW.
And the grunge bands were metal bands that were just heavier and more downtrodden. I think people give grunge way too much credit for being different than metal when, really, it was just an attitude change. The change of attitude in DT from Images to Awake is pretty noticeable. Not only that, but John says on the commentary during the Lie video that they were fully into their grunge phase at that point.
They are very talented musicans and writers, I just hope they find a good vocalist to work with :)
There is no grunge influence on Awake. I have no idea what you're talking about. "That grunge medley with CIAW" was industrial, not grunge. If anything, DT was the anti-grunge; they could play their instruments.
There is no grunge influence on Awake. I have no idea what you're talking about.
What are you talking about with AIC, Tool, Soundgarden, and NIN? Are we talking about 2 different things? Because I was talking about the reworking of CIAW to Caught in Alice's Nine-Inch Tool Garden. That eventually became the basis of New Millenium. That's not grunge, and if you think it is, well, you're the only one.There is no grunge influence on Awake. I have no idea what you're talking about. "That grunge medley with CIAW" was industrial, not grunge. If anything, DT was the anti-grunge; they could play their instruments.
Alice in Chains, (early) Tool, and Soundgarden were part of grunge. Nine Inch Nails is the only band in that medley remotely resembling electronica. I have no reason to believe John was joking. I have no idea what you're talking about.
What are you talking about with AIC, Tool, Soundgarden, and NIN? Are we talking about 2 different things? Because I was talking about the reworking of CIAW to Caught in Alice's Nine-Inch Tool Garden. That eventually became the basis of New Millenium. That's not grunge, and if you think it is, well, you're the only one.There is no grunge influence on Awake. I have no idea what you're talking about. "That grunge medley with CIAW" was industrial, not grunge. If anything, DT was the anti-grunge; they could play their instruments.
Alice in Chains, (early) Tool, and Soundgarden were part of grunge. Nine Inch Nails is the only band in that medley remotely resembling electronica. I have no reason to believe John was joking. I have no idea what you're talking about.
In regards to the direction Porcupine Tree is moving in, their albums have been getting gradually worse with every album since Lightbulb Sun, except for the recent rise that is The Incident. So I suppose I agree their current career trajectory is not good. But it doesn't bother me that much because every album, with the possible exception of Fear of a Blank Planet, has moments of genius.
Two obvious rebuttals to that argument:
1) "Duel with the Devil" is from 2001. We are not talking about 2001. We are talking about now. Portnoy, for reasons unknown, is not as good a drummer as he used to be.
Portnoy, for reasons unknown, is not as good a drummer as he used to be.
Funny, I thought his drumming on Black Clouds was a step up from Dream Theater's previous two albums.
Dream Theater haven't done anything new in years.
Gavin is the more capable, more exciting, more knowledgeable, more prolific drummer.
Portnoy, for reasons unknown, is not as good a drummer as he used to be.
What makes you say that?
Funny, I thought his drumming on Black Clouds was a step up from Dream Theater's previous two albums.
Do you listen to Alice in Chains, Tool, Soundgarden, or Nine Inch Nails?Not NIN so much, but the others, sure.
Because, as someone who grew up on listening to my dad and brother's grunge records, I haven't been able to relate to anything you've said about grunge in this thread.Well, I didn't listen my dad and brother's grunge records, I listened to my own, because I was in my early twenties when all of that stuff was coming out. I don't know anyone that ever accused Tool of being grunge other than you. Alice In Chains was associated with grunge because they were from Seattle, but they were a lot different than the other bands with that label. And although they did some weird industrial thing with that version of CIAW, and I know that they liked AIC because I've seen film of them soundchecking by playing "Would?", there is still no grunge influence on Awake.
Well, those are only opinions. I´ve always found MP much more interesting, and IMO his whole catalog surpasses Gavin´s.What do you consider Gavin's "whole catalog"?
I think Opiate and Undertow are very grungy albums; of course I admit that Tool's sound evolved way beyond the typical grunge parameters later on. As far as Alice in Chains goes, they were just as similar as any of the other grunge bands. Seriously. Alice and Chains are no more different from Soundgarden and Pearl Jam than those bands were different to each other-- or Nirvana.
But great! You mentioned Would?. Now, I direct your attention to The Mirror, around the 5:30 mark. Hear that low, rumbling bassline under the single, heavy chord being held out? It doesn't sound like Would?, but the style is undeniably similar and typically grunge. Likewise, the heavy eastern riff and tribal-sounding drumming in New Millennium is pretty grunge as is the last verse of Burning My Soul(The one that ends with, 'But I don't give a shit, No!"). Moreover, the Mirror features that heavy, sludging, low tempo riff right before John's solo. Or, how about this? Listen to You Not Me, and then listen to Soundgarden's Let Me Drown. Of course, Dream Theater add their prog elements to everything (as they do with all the genres that influence them)-- but the outside influence is definitely there!
Anyway, all these parts sound very grunge to me. Moreover, songs from Awake and afterwards sometimes feature a grungy style which Dream Theater were not known for at all before grunge became popular after the release of Images and Words. Did DT become grunge? No. Were the influenced by it? Well, considering that John P has said so, and considering that after grunge became popular certain parts of Dream Theater songs began to feature a grunge sound, I stick by my original statement.
I didn't need this explanation to realise that there have been some grunge-y sounds and passages in DT's work. I'm baffled you even took the effort to explain this extremely obvious thing to these guys. But thanks anyway, and I'm definately awaiting their reaction (where are you guys now?). The examples you used are great, especially the 'Let me Drown' one.
I didn't need this explanation to realise that there have been some grunge-y sounds and passages in DT's work. I'm baffled you even took the effort to explain this extremely obvious thing to these guys. But thanks anyway, and I'm definately awaiting their reaction (where are you guys now?). The examples you used are great, especially the 'Let me Drown' one.
DT was "influenced" by some of the same groups that influenced some of the grunge artists, and that might be what you're hearing.
Well, early heavy metal music was an influence on grunge (although obviously not as big an influence as punk or indie rock), and was obviously also an influence on DT (along with progressive rock) - specifically I'm thinking of Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath, but I'm sure there are others.DT was "influenced" by some of the same groups that influenced some of the grunge artists, and that might be what you're hearing.
Who?
Don't forget King Crimson's Red as influence on Kurt Cobain.Hey, there's one I didn't know (although sonically, it makes sense now that you say that).
Well, early heavy metal music was an influence on grunge (although obviously not as big an influence as punk or indie rock), and was obviously also an influence on DT (along with progressive rock) - specifically I'm thinking of Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath, but I'm sure there are others.DT was "influenced" by some of the same groups that influenced some of the grunge artists, and that might be what you're hearing.
Who?
I don't see a Radiohead influence, either. Can you point to something?
And I don't see much of a Tool influence, either. I mean, The Great Debate sounds like DT trying to be Tool, and Home has the 46 & 2 lift, but nothing other than that.
I've listened to 'Superunknown' too, and it's no coincidence that on Awake, JLB suddenly sings with a raspier voice than usual, and the music is a bit tougher and nonchalant. The remark about DT being totally different because they're all about 'playing their instruments' is not a good one. Pearl Jam and Soundgarden for example feature musicians who are entirely capable of playing their instruments and writing intelligent songs. Yes, these bands are generally associated with 'grunge', what are you gonna do?
With 'grunge phase', JP probably meant that they were into some grunge bands. Some of that attitude and aesthetic may have leaked through into DT's music. It ain't that hard to understand. But instead, these guys have to make you look ridiculous with things like '*shrugs*' and 'I have no idea what you're talking about'. Just let the high-postcount-wise-asses have their win, PC. I'm sure they're just as cool and sophisticated in real life.
I've listened to 'Superunknown' too, and it's no coincidence that on Awake, JLB suddenly sings with a raspier voice than usual,
I've listened to 'Superunknown' too, and it's no coincidence that on Awake, JLB suddenly sings with a raspier voice than usual, and the music is a bit tougher and nonchalant.Yes it is. That's what "coincidence" means. Besides, as skydivingninja pointed out, he sang with that rasp live on the I&W tour, way before Awake was written and recorded. One has nothing to do with the other.
The remark about DT being totally different because they're all about 'playing their instruments' is not a good one. Pearl Jam and Soundgarden for example feature musicians who are entirely capable of playing their instruments and writing intelligent songs. Yes, these bands are generally associated with 'grunge', what are you gonna do?I'm not going to do anything. First of all, "intelligent songs" has nothing to do with anything, so I have no idea why you would mention that. Secondly, being capable of playing an instrument and going out of your way to display your instrumental skill are two vastly different things.
With 'grunge phase', JP probably meant that they were into some grunge bands.I know they were into at least some grunge, as I've already pointed out. But his comment about a grunge phase was clearly a joke.
Some of that attitude and aesthetic may have leaked through into DT's music. It ain't that hard to understand.It's also not hard to understand that that same attitude and aesthetic is more likely to have come from their actual influences like Metallica then some hypothetical grunge influence.
But instead, these guys have to make you look ridiculous with things like '*shrugs*' and 'I have no idea what you're talking about'.I have no idea what you're talking about. None of us have been trying to make anyone look ridiculous. We've been having a discussion. There's nothing offensive about a shrug. It's at worst an "I don't know."
Just let the high-postcount-wise-asses have their win, PC. I'm sure they're just as cool and sophisticated in real life.The only one being a wise-ass here is you, PixelDream. I suggest you stop right now.
WTF happened to this thread?
So uh, anyway, this project will be cool. With or without Portnoy.This.
*awkward silence*Nothing awkward here, Sigz.
This is one of quite a few topics that have gone to utter shit lately. Is there something in the air?
PORCUPINE TREE's Steven Wilson revealed to Chordstruck Magazine that he has begun work on material for his much-anticipated collaboration with Mikael Åkerfeldt from OPETH and Mike Portnoy from DREAM THEATER. "I started writing with Mikael last month, finally," he said. "It's still in the very early days.
"We wrote about 15 minutes of music last month in my studio near London and we're very excited about it.
"I think people are going to be very surprised by the direction.
"If they're expecting some kind of death-metal-progressive rock, they're going to be surprised [because] it's not like that."
He continued, "If you put the two of us together, the last thing we're going to do is something similar to what people already know from our most high-profile project.
"It's very arty, very ambitious; it's going to be epic.
"We're still writing.
"[It's going to be] very dark, very twisted, very experimental.
"It's still rock music, but we're trying to do something really, really special and really different with this."
In a September 2009 interview with Australia's PyroMusic.net, Mike Portnoy stated about the project, "The three of us each mentioned wanting to work with each other years ago, and since then it's kind of been this rumor that won't go away. I think all three of us regret ever mentioning it at this point, but I think the hype or anticipation around it has surpassed anything we possibly could realistically deliver. So I think now all three of us are kind of hesitant to do it, because there's been so much hype about it. (laughs)
"This is an example of where the Internet can somehow be a bad thing and I think... that's why I try to keep as tight of a lid on things as possible when we're making a record, because anything that is said or leaked or heard, it opens up this can of worms of discussion and once people start discussing and discussing and discussing and dissecting and anticipating, they build up such a level of hype and expectations in their head that it's impossible to ever satisfy it. So that's one of the bad things about the Internet.
"In answer to your question though, I think we'd love to work together, but at this point, we just don't know when."
(Thanks: Marko Kutberg)
Yeah, that looks like the writer was assuming rather than knowing.
at the end of the day I'd rather this project go with a wild card, somebody relatively unknown and fresh.