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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: Quadrochosis on May 08, 2010, 03:31:38 PM
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Hello all, it's been a while since my last Top 50 list, and I decided that what better a time than to start one for DT? I made this list in about 20 minutes and it is just meant for fun, don't take things too seriously. All of their albums are well represented here in my opinion.
I'll try to do about 5 a day until I get to the top 10, at which point I will slow down.
Note: My list may be controversial.
Here we go..
50. "A Mind Beside Itself III. The Silent Man" - Awake
Pretty good song on Awake, I really like their acoustic songs a lot, I feel that they should try to do some more in the future. It has a weird video, featuring an old man (:lol) and other than that there isn't really much more to say.
49. "Scene Two: I. Overture 1928" - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
One of the coolest overtures in music ever, I absolutely adore this song. JP has a ton of awesome riffs, and it also happens to be the first that we here of Jordan. Great tune and a wonderful way to start off Scenes.
48. "These Walls" - Octavarium
Pretty good tune off Octavarium. Probably would have been on of the singles if they had made any for this album. I really like the message in the song and I can truly relate to it. One of my favorites off of 8VM.
47. "New Millennium" - Falling Into Infinity
Cool song that features Myung on the Chapman Stick. It's one of my favorite opening tracks on a DT album and the song reminds me a lot of Genesis for some reason.
46. "The Shattered Fortress: X. Restraint / XI. Receive / XII. Responsible" - Black Clouds & Silver Linings
I must admit, I'm not a huge fan of the AA Suite. It is still a pretty awesome song, however, and I really enjoy listening to it within the context of Black Clouds, although I think the ending goes on a bit too much.
More to come tomorrow!
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Whoa, I'll definitely be following. I already see things I'd disagree with, but never mind. :lol Really curious to see what's higher up.
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Holy shit I've had a top 50 DT list at the ready for a couple of weeks now...you beat me to it you bastard! ;D Well, I'll be following with great interest, even though you've already committed massive fail with such low placement of "These Walls," "New Millenium," "Overture 1928," and "The Shattered Fortress."
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What's These walls about then?
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Trouble communicating with others. One of the reasons its one of my favorite DT songs.
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46. "The Shattered Fortress: X. Restraint / XI. Receive / XII. Responsible" - Black Clouds and Silver Linings
I must admit, I'm not a huge fan of the AA Suite. It is still a pretty awesome song, however, and I really enjoy listening to it within the context of Black Clouds, although I think the ending goes on a bit too much.
The ending goes on a bit too much?! Surely you don't mean the solo or "I AM RESPONSIBLE!" sections, because that solo and following chorus are in my top 10 DT moments.
(And yes, I'll stop calling you Shirley...)
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No, I literally mean the end.
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No, I literally mean the end.
*wipes brow* had me worried for a moment there.
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You can't tell me that the never ending LaBrie "WoaaaAAH, WOOOAAAH WOOOAAH ... (insert 50 more woahs) ... wwoaah!" aren't incredibly annoying at best.
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The whoahs last like 10 seconds. What the fuck are you talking about?
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These are some good choices, although I think only Overture 1928 would make my top 50. Maybe New millennium, but I'm not sure... Good job so far. :tup
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This will be interesting, following it. :tup
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Will follow.
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Whoa, I'll definitely be following. I already see things I'd disagree with, but never mind. :lol Really curious to see what's higher up.
Same :)
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The whoahs last like 10 seconds. What the fuck are you talking about?
I was obviously exaggerating, but I still think they're annoying as hell. Maybe if they sounded less awkward I'd be alright with them.
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OK here's today's update:
45. "The Mirror" - Awake
People will hang me for this, but here it is. Like I said, I'm not a terribly huge fan of the AA suite, and while this one isn't part of it, it still has the same feel for me. I'm more of a prog guy than a metal guy also, so the real headbanging tunes don't do as much for as some of their more proggy tracks. My favorite part of this song is the Space-Dye Vest theme in it.
44. "Hollow Years" - Falling Into Infinity
Great tune, I wish they had played it at the show I was at this past year, but it's all good. Great track and I love the extended bits that Petrucci does when they play this live.
43. "A Fortune In Lies" - When Dream and Day Unite
I'm a really big fan of WDADU, so get used to seeing some more of it on my list. This song is really awesome, and one of the first DT songs I heard. I actually prefer Charlie's singing to LaBrie's (on WDADRU). I know that puts me in a super-minority here, but what are you gonna do.
42. "Another Day" - Images & Words
This is the song that actually got me into Dream Theater. I was so stunned when I first heard it 5 or 6 years ago and I knew that DT would be the band for me. It's moved down to 42 now, because I have grown to love a ton of other DT songs, but this one will always have a special place in my heart.
41. "The Best of Times" - Black Clouds & Silver Linings
Another beautiful DT song. I really enjoy the lyrics here, and while I know that many people here don't like the song, I really enjoy it. I can't wait until MP is comfortable to play this live because I'm sure it would be killer live.
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Will be stalking this thread. :tup
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Interesting list so far, will be following :hat
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You didn't even mention to guitar solo in The Best of Times! It's one of my favorite solos. :(
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This will be interesting, following it. :tup
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You didn't even mention to guitar solo in The Best of Times! It's one of my favorite solos. :(
Was gonna say that. The Best of Times solo can bring tears to my eyes if I let it. Actually, it's probably my second favorite Petrucci solo behind only 2:10-4:10 from In the Presence of Enemies Part 1.
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Well, at least you mentioned "The Best of Times." Too bad its not as high as it should be :biggrin: Its one of my favorite DT songs, I can't wait to hear it live also. I totally agree on "The Mirror" too, I'm not too into it, but the SDV theme part is godly.
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I always forget what a great song Another Day is. I guess it's 'cos all the other songs on that album are so amazing.
Good choices so far :tup
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I'm a really big fan of WDADU, so get used to seeing some more of it on my list.
:tup :tup
*prays "Light Fuse and Get Away" makes the list*
:coolio :coolio :coolio
Good picks thus far, too!
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Here's today's update:
40. "Only A Matter of Time" - When Dream & Day Unite
Not much to say about this song other than the fact that it rocks. Some cool vocals, I love the way Dominici delivers the title line.
39. "Scene Five: Through Her Eyes" - Metropolis Pt. II: Scenes From A Memory
One of DT's most beautiful songs. I always get teary when I hear this song. I like the alternate take on the song as well, I think both are pretty awesome. LaBrie has some cool vocals here, and there's some really nice emotional guitar playing.
38. "Sacrificed Sons" - Octavarium
I like the use of samples in this tune. It's one of 8VM's two epics and although it's the lesser one, it still holds its own. I saw this live at PN09 and loved it.
37. "The Dark Eternal Night" - Systematic Chaos
One of the best songs on SC. Jordan's improvised Continuum solo at the end of the song is awesome, as is his ragtime-ish solo thing in the middle of the song. The lyrics are kind of meh, but the intrumentals are sick, and it features the sludgiest DT riff ever! (cookie for reference)
36. "Scene Two: II. Strange Deja Vu" - Metropolis Pt. II: Scenes From A Memory
I really like the chorus here, and I love the way that the Overture transitions right into this song. It's got some awesome guitar palying during the verses and other than that, just all around awesome.
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36. "Scene Two: II. Strange Deja Vu" - Metropolis Pt. II: Scenes From A Memory
I really like the chorus here, and I love the way that the Overture transitions right into this song. It's got some awesome guitar palying during the verses and other than that, just all around awesome.
I personally love the last few lines "But I don't mind/I hope to find the truth." I love the way Labrie sings that.
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You just gained immense respect for me for mentioning "Only a Matter of Time" and "Through Her Eyes"...and then lose it all with "The Dark Eternal Night."
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You just gained immense respect for me for mentioning "Only a Matter of Time" and "Through Her Eyes"...and then lose it all with "The Dark Eternal Night."
Are you saying that it should be higher, or not even on the list?
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skydivingninja usually has really good taste, so I am sure he thinks it shouldn't be on the list. :biggrin: ;)
Love seeing "Only a Matter of Time" make it, and "Strange Deja Vu" is a given. Good to see "Through Her Eyes" as well. :)
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skydivingninja usually has really good taste, so I am sure he thinks it shouldn't be on the list. :biggrin: ;)
Like I said, I really like the instrumentals, but the lyrics are meh. I also really don't care for the vocal deliveries all that much.
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TDEN shouldn't be near the top of anything except a Worst Of list. It's musically atrocious.
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:lol
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This list is getting more and more interesting as it goes on.
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Mirror, Another Day, and Overture seem too far from the spots they deserve, but oh well.
Dark Eternal Night and Through Her Eyes deserve the spots though. :tup
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Wow, most of these so far wouldn't make my top 50. It makes following the thread more interesting, though...
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You just gained immense respect for me for mentioning "Only a Matter of Time" and "Through Her Eyes"...and then lose it all with "The Dark Eternal Night."
It's a good song. It'd probably be in my top 50 also
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It's fun to see someone else rank their fav songs. I must have a different taste in DT though. To me, "The Best of Times" and "Dark Eternal Night" would probably be in my bottom 5 DT songs. It's nice to see "Only a Matter if Time" get some high ranking though.
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It's fun to see someone else rank their fav songs. I must have a different taste in DT though. To me, "The Best of Times" and "Dark Eternal Night" would probably be in my bottom 5 DT songs. It's nice to see "Only a Matter if Time" get some high ranking though.
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TDEN is way better than anything they did before SFAM like this much better
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TDEN is way better than anything they did before SFAM like this much better
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And ne'er did this Earth witness greater fail
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Five more...
35. "The Root Of All Evil: VI. Ready / VII. Remove" - Octavarium
This is a pretty cool song, and one of the best parts of the AA suite. The version on Score is awesome and I can really get into the main riff of the song as well as both the guitar and keyboard solo. Overall great track and a great way to start 8VM.
34. In The Presence of Enemies - Systematic Chaos
One of DT's longest songs, and one of my favorites on SC. I combined them because I feel that it is better when they are together. Not much else to say, it's a real great tune and has some of my favorite LaBrie deliveries on it.
33. "The Ytsé Jam" - When Dream & Day Unite
One of DT's best instrumentals, and it's on their debut! Listening to a song like this in the context of the late 80s when this came out really makes you think about how far ahead of their time DT were back then. There's some really cool versions of this song on the live DVDs/CDs/Bootlegs and all of them managed to have the same feel, but at the same time sound extremely fresh, new and exciting. One of the best tunes on WD&DU
32. "Stream of Consciousness" - Train of Thought
Just realized I had two instrumentals in a row. This song would be MUCH higher, but it is about 3-5 minutes too long and thus knocks it down quite a bit. Their are a lot of really awesome riffs, and the Petrucci solos on here are among some of my favorite that he has done.
31. "The Killing Hand" - When Dream & Day Unite
DT's first epic, and my second favorite song on WD&DU. The Dominici version is awesome, but the version that LaBrie sings on Live At The Marquee is much more epic. (Yes, I know it was dubbed) I think that version is my favorite LaBrie moment, period. Anyway, the song has some really awesome parts in it, and I really wish that I could get to hear DT play this song live, along with a bunch of other WD&DU stuff.
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Stream of consciousness... :tup :tup
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31. "The Killing Hand" - When Dream & Day Unite
DT's first epic, and my second favorite song on WD&DU. The Dominici version is awesome, but the version that LaBrie sings on Live At The Marquee is much more epic.
I could not agree more. I think Dominici's vocals are generally good enough on most of the debut, but he doesn't seem to fit well on "The Killing Hand," and listening to him strain to sing the last line of the song is almost painful. Meanwhile, JLB nailed it (overdubbed or not). Plus, the live version has that "Another Hand" intro, which is great.
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Interesting stuff, Quad.
I ranked all of their songs once, and I think the thread was lost in the crash. I wonder if I still have a copy of my list anywhere...
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Today's update:
30. "The Ministry of Lost Souls" - Systematic Chaos
My favorite and highest ranking song on SC. Firstly I must mention that the guitar driven outro is among some of JP's most beautiful and heart wrenching work. I feel like crying every time I hear it. Secondly, it has some really awesome lyrics. Thirdly, the instrumental part is really fucking epic. Basically an awesome song that should stay in DT's live repertoire for years to come.
29. "Afterlife" - When Dream & Day Unite
This is my highest ranking song from WD&DU (Sorry Kev, no "Light Fuse and Get Away"). I really love the version of this song that is on Score, but for me the best version is the WD&DU version. Everything about it is perfect in my opinion.
28. "Scene Four: Beyond This Life" - Metropolis Pt. II: Scenes From A Memory
Awesome song. This remains the only song from Scenes that I have seen DT perform live, and man was it awesome. I love how the lyrics are words from a newspaper article. When bands do things like that I really enjoy it, because it's different and unique. The instrumental section neat also.
27. "Anna Lee" - Falling Into Infinity
One of my favorite DT ballads. I really wish MP would throw this song on their live sets, but he has said that the song feels too "Dereky" (although I disagree) to play. This may be one of DT's most forgotten songs, but it will always have a special spot for me.
26. "Lifting Shadows Off A Dream" - Awake
Another good ballad. Myung has some really sick lyrics here. Hopefully he will write some more because most of the songs he wrote for are impeccable. This song is one of my favorite tracks on Awake. Myung shines not only in lyrics but in bass playing as well. One of his finer showcases overall.
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Nice to see These Walls making the list. I hope they play it live again soon!
I will be following this
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26. "Lifting Shadows Off A Dream" - Awake
Another good ballad. Myung has some really sick lyrics here. Hopefully he will write some more because most of the songs he wrote for are impeccable. This song is one of my favorite tracks on Awake. Myung shines not only in lyrics but in bass playing as well. One of his finer showcases overall.
Wut?
ALL of them have been impeccable :metal
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26. "Lifting Shadows Off A Dream" - Awake
Another good ballad. Myung has some really sick lyrics here. Hopefully he will write some more because most of the songs he wrote for are impeccable. This song is one of my favorite tracks on Awake. Myung shines not only in lyrics but in bass playing as well. One of his finer showcases overall.
Wut?
ALL of them have been impeccable :metal
Truth.
27. "Anna Lee" - Falling Into Infinity
When I saw this I was like :angry: :facepalm:
But then when I saw this;
26. "Lifting Shadows Off A Dream" - Awake
I was like :yarr :yarr :metal :metal :yarr :yarr :metal :metal
Though I think it being number 26 is an understatement. It's easily in my top 10.
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I wouldn't put "Anna Lee" that high, but I still like it a lot, and I am happy to see it getting some love. :hat
Bummer about no "Light Fuse and Get Away" :), but this is your list, so no criticism from me. :)
"Lifting Shadows Off a Dream" is so incredible. :coolio
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Cool list. I hope to see some Endless Sacrifice on this beast.
Side-note: KevSchmev has a minimum of one smiley per sentence. Just saying. :biggrin:
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Side-note: KevSchmev has a minimum of one smiley per sentence. Just saying. :biggrin:
Not normally, but in that previous post, yes.
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Props to you for ranking LSOAD reasonably high, although in my opinion, it's a top 5 DT song.
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Anna Lee is right where it needs to be! Good call! :tup it's an amazing song.
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Let's hope Space-Dye Vest is somewhere on this list
inb4 not a dream theater song
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30. "The Ministry of Lost Souls" - Systematic Chaos
My favorite and highest ranking song on SC. Firstly I must mention that the guitar driven outro is among some of JP's most beautiful and heart wrenching work. I feel like crying every time I hear it. Secondly, it has some really awesome lyrics. Thirdly, the instrumental part is really fucking epic. Basically an awesome song that should stay in DT's live repertoire for years to come.
Now you're talkin'! :biggrin: I agree with every single word here, although I would put the song slightly higher - to the 2nd place. ;)
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Side-note: KevSchmev has a minimum of one smiley per sentence. Just saying. :biggrin:
Not normally, but in that previous post, yes.
I'm just ragging on you, bro. :lol
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Anna Lee is right where it needs to be! Good call! :tup it's an amazing song.
Exactly this.
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How many tracks are there total? Close to 100?
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How many tracks are there total? Close to 100?
Of the studio albums and ACOS, I think it's around 88.
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Someone should make a thread of "The 38 songs by Dream Theater that aren't as great as the other 50"
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Someone should make a thread of "The 38 songs by Dream Theater that aren't as great as the other 50"
Now THAT would be an interesting thread. :tup
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Just start with "You Not Me," "Constant Motion" and "Burning My Soul," and work your way up. ;)
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Just start with "You Not Me," "Constant Motion" and "Burning My Soul," and work your way up. ;)
Those are my bottom 3 too.
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"Space-Dye Vest" is in the top 25, w00-h00! :D
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"Space-Dye Vest" is in the top 25, w00-h00! :D
:metal
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5 more:
25. "Lines In The Sand" - Falling Into Infinity
A great song from FII. The intro with the keys is really, really awesome and I really like the version on Once in a LIVEtime. The guest vocals are a little meh, but its a cool thing about the song that makes it stand out from their catalog.
24. "Disappear" - Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
DT's saddest song. I know that I posted this story in the Disappear topic, but I read the lyrics to this song to my public speaking class once, and as I was reading them, I fully came to realize how beautiful the words are. It's pretty cool that it's on Live at Budokan and I like that LaBrie sat down for it, I felt that it needed that.
23. "A Mind Beside Itself: I. Erotomania" - Awake
One of DT's best instrumentals. This song is really awesome and it is a great way to start the AMBI suite. The keyboard intro makes this song really stand out for me as one of those songs that I always immediately know whenever I hear it start up. It was a treat seeing DT perform this live.
22. "The Glass Prison: I. Reflection / II. Restoration / III. Revelation" -
The best part of the AA suite is the first part. This song is a real rocker, and has some pretty awesome riffs. Not much else to say about it, it'd be cool to see it live one day. Hopefully they decide to not perform the entirety of the AA suite live, or at least only do it a few times for a DVD, I don't think the entire thing is worthy of taking up almost an entire set of one "Evening With" show.
21. "Under A Glass Moon" - Images & Words
One of the songs that got me into Dream Theater. This song is really cool, and I love the way the song just starts and goes right into the epicness. Petrucci has a really awesome solo on this track. It was cool seeing it on the Score DVD.
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Wow. Not a lot of people have TGP below the top ten...
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Wow. Not a lot of people have TGP below the top ten...
Like I said, I'm not a big fan of the AA suite. TGP is a good song though, there just happen to be 21 DT songs that I like better.
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Nice to see Under a Glass Moon relatively high up on your list.
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Glass Prison is higher than Erotomania? NOOOO.
Edit: https://nooooooooooooooo.com/
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TGP is my number one, first big conflict so far though.
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Nice to see Under a Glass Moon relatively high up on your list.
This. Its one of the songs from Images that I don't listen to as often as I should, because it kicks my ass every time I hear it.
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Nice to see Under a Glass Moon relatively high up on your list.
This. Its one of the songs from Images that I don't listen to as often as I should, because it kicks my ass every time I hear it.
Yup, probably my 3rd favorite DT song. Everything is great about it; riffs, vocals, drums, bass, lyrics, and JP's best solo.
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TGP is my number one, first big conflict so far though.
I know I'm in the extreme minority, but "The Glass Prison" is probably in my bottom 5-10 DT songs. It is too much unrelenting heavyness without any moments that come up for air or slow down or let the song breath. If I'm dealing with a long song, I prefer that it take me more of a journey and mix things up more. Like Voices.
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Wow. Not a lot of people have TGP below the top ten...
I do. In fact, it is borderline top 20 for me, so I have no problem at all with its spot here.
Weird to see "Erotomania" so low, but hey, to each his own. :)
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Wow. Not a lot of people have TGP below the top ten...
I do. In fact, it is borderline top 20 for me, so I have no problem at all with its spot here.
Same here actually.
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Today's update (Prepare for BAAW):
20. "A Change of Seasons" - A Change of Seasons [EP]
In all honesty, I've never understood how anyone could rank this song higher than they do. It really isn't as good as most people say it is, and for me, while it's a great song, there are a lot more songs that Dream Theater does that beat this out, by a lot. Had this song been about 10 minutes shorter it would have been much better in my opinion. It feels like it was forced into being 20 minutes, when it really shouldn't have been.
19. "Trial of Tears" - Falling Into Infinity
This song features some awesome lyrics, and I love the feel of it. I was lucky enough to get part of the song during the Schmedly Wilcox Medley that the band did during the touring cycle for SC, and it was opened with JR sitting on the edge of the stage playing with this really cool thing that made the opening to this song awesome and even more atmospherically than it is on FII. This is the best song on FII by quite a bit.
18. "A Nightmare to Remember" - Black Clouds & Silver Linings
This song caught me by surprise when I was ranking these songs. I didn't realize how much I liked it until I made this list. It's pretty incredible and shocked me when I realized I dug this song more than the two I just mentioned on this list. The intro is one of the best openings DT has ever done on an album, and the middle section about the character laying in a hospital bed is even more stunning.
17. "Misunderstood" - Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
I really like this song quite a bit, and I've been lucky enough to see it twice as DT played it both time I saw them. I know a lot of people hate the outro, but for me I think it makes the song 300x better. It's one of the most experimental things DT has ever done and I honestly can't get enough of it. The way the song starts with the simple chordplay riffs and builds into what it becomes is truly a testament to what DT is really capable of.
16. "Scene Six: Home" - Metropolis Pt. II: Scenes From A Memory
Ahh, Home. I didn't appreciate this song until about 12 or so months ago. For some reason it took a few years to click and up until last year this song probably would have been in my bottom 10 DT songs. Now whenever I listen to it, something about it really just makes me want the song to never end. Not much else to say.. Oh, the Middle Eastern-esque part is really cool too.
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Five great choices, definitely! Four of them would definitely be in my top 20, and the other ("A Nightmare to Remember") is mostly excellent, as well.
I agree that "A Change of Seasons" isn't the end-all be-all of DT songs like many think it is, but it is still terrific and a borderline top 10 DT song in my book.
I also like the outro to "Misunderstood" a lot. It just works.
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:'(
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ANTR ranked higher than ACOS makes my parents cry.
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Cool to see Nightmare ranked so high, it's probably in my top 10 DT songs. :metal
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ANTR being higher than ACoS (which would probably be around the same area on my list) and TRIAL OF AMAZING FUCKING TEARS makes baby Jesus cry. I do love Home though, so some small props for that. Never really got into all of Misunderstood thanks to that stupid outro, but the radio edit on GreateSt HIT mostly fixes that.
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I agree with you about ACoS being overrated, and I also love Misunderstood AND it's outro. I am one of the seemingly few people who really doesn't rate ANTR all that highly though.
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Great choices there, love all 5 of those songs. Nightmare would make my top 10, its such an awesome song :metal
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A Change of Seasons is too low for me, but Misunderstood totally deserved that. :metal
But Nightmare to Remember? :|
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ANTR being higher than ACoS (which would probably be around the same area on my list) and TRIAL OF AMAZING FUCKING TEARS makes baby Jesus cry.
THIS
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Sad to see ACOS that low. :-[ Maybe it's a bit overrated but it's my favorite DT song.
Never really got into all of Misunderstood thanks to that stupid outro, but the radio edit on GreateSt HIT mostly fixes that.
I agree! The outro is annoying but fortunately the edit version doesn't have it.
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Interesting to see A Nightmare to remember above A Change of seasons. It would make my top 25, though, a truly great song. :metal
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Yes, Misunderstood. Probably a top 5 DT song for me. Excellent atmosphere with great lyrics, JLB in top form, and heavy guitars. To top it off, a (for DT standards) pretty experimental, deranged outro. I love it, and I wished DT pursued this direction some more.
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Yes, Misunderstood. Probably a top 5 DT song for me. Excellent atmosphere with great lyrics, JLB in top form, and heavy guitars. To top it off, a (for DT standards) pretty experimental, deranged outro. I love it, and I wished DT pursued this direction some more.
I'm glad at least someone else understands how amazing this song is.
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Good exercise, and I'm interested in see what is coming next.
BTW, good call on ACOS. In fact, I actually think it should be rated lower--somewhere in the 20's or 30's. To be honest, I'm not that much of a fan of DT's really epic songs, at least those that get beyond the 15-20 minute mark. There are some exceptions--6Degrees has grown on me, and I really love Count of Tuscany, but I find the 20-30 minute songs to be either overly repetitive or simply an exercise in wankery, and that most of them could easily have been better with 5-10 minutes shaved off.
Looking forward the the rest. Obviously, PMU, LTL, 6DOIT will make the list. I'm also hoping for Peruvian Skies, Great Debate, Endless Sacrifice, In the Name of God and Surrounded.
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Yes, Misunderstood. Probably a top 5 DT song for me. Excellent atmosphere with great lyrics, JLB in top form, and heavy guitars. To top it off, a (for DT standards) pretty experimental, deranged outro. I love it, and I wished DT pursued this direction some more.
I'm glad at least someone else understands how amazing this song is.
I understand how amazing most of this song is. But the outro slays me. For that reason, I'm glad that the "radio edit" was included on Greatest Hit.
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Yes, Misunderstood. Probably a top 5 DT song for me. Excellent atmosphere with great lyrics, JLB in top form, and heavy guitars. To top it off, a (for DT standards) pretty experimental, deranged outro. I love it, and I wished DT pursued this direction some more.
I'm glad at least someone else understands how amazing this song is.
I understand how amazing most of this song is. But the outro slays me. For that reason, I'm glad that the "radio edit" was included on Greatest Hit.
:lol I can definitely understand why people may not like it, but for me, it makes the song that much more incredible.
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15. "Take the Time" - Images & Words
Another cool song off I&W. I'd really like to see this song played live because I feel it'd go over well. The introduction is something really cool that DT only did once, and I think it worked. Classic DT song.
14. "Endless Sacrifice" - Train of Thought
One of my favorites from ToT. The dichotomy of the song from somber, low ended and depressing verses/choruses to the wacky instrumental section is one of my favorite polarities that DT has done. Usually, the wankery of DT gets a little overbearing, but in this case, I feel that it was done pretty well.
13. "Surrounded" - Images & Words
One of the songs that I feel doesn't get enough credit from DT fans. This song has always been one of my favorite DT songs and it always has a special spot for me. I know the guitar solo is never played live because it's really a simple delayed effect, but I adore it. The version of this song on the Chaos In Motion DVD is the best thing about that DVD. the "Mother" solo and the Marillion lyrics just make it such a cool experience.
12. "Blind Faith" - Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
I feel like this song is either a hit or miss for most DT fans, so I'll understand if it pisses some off to see it so high, but it's just incredibly awesome. If anyone thinks that LaBrie shouldn't be writing lyrics then they should listen to this song again. My favorite aprt is the JR piano break in the middle.
11. "Scene Seven: I. The Dance of Eternity" - Metropolis Pt. II: Scenes From A Memory
The best instrumental DT has ever pulled off. There really aren't enough good things I could say about this song. I think it features something like 30 or so meter signature changes, and it's almost impossible to tap your foot to because of that. Everything about this song reeks of quintessential DT and I'd be thrilled if I got to see it live.
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Good to see Surrounded so high up :tup
And YES! SPACE DYE VEST IS IN THE TOP TEN :metal
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Interesting collection here, as three of the five in this group have benefited from some really awesome performances on the SC tour. While I wouldn't have TTT or Dance of Eternity up this high, the other three definitely belong in the top 20, and in fact, I'd put Endless Sacrifice in the top ten on a good day.
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"Endless Sacrifice?" wtf?
Interesting to see TDEN up there, and pretty damn cool to see "Surrounded so high."
But "Endless Sacrifice?"
"ENDLESS SACRIFIIIIIIICE"
*CIRCUS MUSIC! :neverusethis:*
I think that if that song had been severely edited, and the main theme didn't sound so much like that Michael Jackson song it would have been pretty good.
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Good to see Surrounded so high up :tup
And YES! SPACE DYE VEST IS IN THE TOP TEN :metal
I was thinking the same exact thing. We share a similar taste in DT music, PLM.
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Good to see Surrounded so high up :tup
And YES! SPACE DYE VEST IS IN THE TOP TEN :metal
I was thinking the same exact thing. We share a similar taste in DT music, PLM.
That's because we both love Kevin Mur
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Good to see Surrounded so high up :tup
And YES! SPACE DYE VEST IS IN THE TOP TEN :metal
I was thinking the same exact thing. We share a similar taste in DT music, PLM.
That's because we both love Kevin Mur
Yep! Kevin Mur, fur sur!
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YES! SPACE DYE VEST IS IN THE TOP TEN :metal
How do you know?
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13. "Surrounded" - Images & Words
Light to dark, dark to light, light to dark, dark to light.
One of my favorite Labrie moments.
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YES! SPACE DYE VEST IS IN THE TOP TEN :metal
How do you know?
I don't.
I'm celebrating in advance in case it is.
Which it should be :metal
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Dance of eternity... :tup :tup :tup
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11. "Scene Seven: I. The Dance of Eternity" - Metropolis Pt. II: Scenes From A Memory
Let's just say that I don't quite agree with this one.
The rest of the list is a mixed bag for me. Personally, I'd rate TTT much higher, BF's ranking is OK, I guess. Props to you for having Surrounded as a top 15 song. Endless Sacrifice probably won't make it into my top 50, and TDOE... see above.
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11. "Scene Seven: I. The Dance of Eternity" - Metropolis Pt. II: Scenes From A Memory
Let's just say that I don't quite agree with this one.
The rest of the list is a mixed bag for me. Personally, I'd rate TTT much higher, BF's ranking is OK, I guess. Props to you for having Surrounded as a top 15 song. Endless Sacrifice probably won't make it into my top 50, and TDOE... see above.
That is pretty much how I see it, too, although I am not quite sure what you meant about "Blind Faith" (which would make my top 25). But like I said, I agree with the rest of what you said.
However, while I agree that "Endless Sacrifice" isn't that great, I don't think it is as overrated or mediocre as many seem to nowadays.
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This is getting controversial. Dance of Eternity is in my top 20, and Surrounded is in my top 10. So for those I can understand. But Endless Sacrifice? And Take the Fucking Time in 15?????????????
That is very, very disturbing. Take the Time < Endless Sacrifice? :censored :censored :censored :censored :censored :censored
I'll be looking forward to the top 5 of this controversial list.
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11. "Scene Seven: I. The Dance of Eternity" - Metropolis Pt. II: Scenes From A Memory
Let's just say that I don't quite agree with this one.
The rest of the list is a mixed bag for me. Personally, I'd rate TTT much higher, BF's ranking is OK, I guess. Props to you for having Surrounded as a top 15 song. Endless Sacrifice probably won't make it into my top 50, and TDOE... see above.
That is pretty much how I see it, too, although I am not quite sure what you meant about "Blind Faith" (which would make my top 25). But like I said, I agree with the rest of what you said.
Blind Faith is in my top 10, and ranking it 12th is OK in my opinion, nothing more, nothing less. I didn't want to go too much into detail about this song, since it is a pretty controversial song on here in terms of liking or disliking it.
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Awesome to see some Surrounded love.
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Hmm, as people have said, the controversy starts here. I agree with the Blind Faith and Surrounded placement wholeheartedly, but I'll happily trade my experience of seeing TDOE live for any other DT song you've seen. :P Luckily in the same show I got Take The Time, which is in my top 5. ;D Interesting list though, I look forward to the top 10.
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Before I post the beginning of my Top 10 (Which I will do later, sorry not enough time to type it out right now) I want to post some songs that barely missed the top 50, and what would have been 56-51 had I made the list six songs longer.
56. "Light Fuse and Get Away" - When Dream & Day Unite
55. "Lie" - Awake
54. "Honor Thy Father" - Train of Thought
53. "Peruvian Skies" - Falling Into Infinity
52. "Hell's Kitchen" - Falling Into Infinity
51. "The Great Debate" - Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
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Before I post the beginning of my Top 10 (Which I will do later, sorry not enough time to type it out right now) I want to post some songs that barely missed the top 50, and what would have been 56-51 had I made the list six songs longer.
56. "Light Fuse and Get Away" - When Dream & Day Unite
55. "Lie" - Awake
54. "Honor Thy Father" - Train of Thought
53. "Peruvian Skies" - Falling Into Infinity
52. "Hell's Kitchen" - Falling Into Infinity
51. "The Great Debate" - Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
You should have put SDV just to spite PLM. ;D But noooo! I love TGD, it would probably be in my top 20 but then I'm a Tool fanboy so I guess that's why.
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... Lie is not in top 10? NOOOOOOOOOO.
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Your rankings are your rankings, but it hurts my soul that you have "Hell's Kitchen" that low.
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It would rank TGD and Peruvian skies MUCH higher, but the rest seems fine. :) Can't wait for the top 10.
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... Lie is not in top 10? NOOOOOOOOOO.
It wouldn't make my top 50.
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... Lie is not in top 10? NOOOOOOOOOO.
It wouldn't make my top 50.
Yea, it's not very good. Petrucci has some good guitar parts towards the end but other than that it's mostly forgettable.
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Your rankings are your rankings, but it hurts my soul that you have "Hell's Kitchen" that low.
god this...
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Your rankings are your rankings, but it hurts my soul that you have "Hell's Kitchen" that low.
It's a great tune, but I feel that it's too short. They could have done so much with it, but it ends too early.
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Well now I'm disappointed. Peruvian Skies doesn't make the list? I'd easily have it in my top 10, as it builds about as well as any other DT song with the possible exception of Endless Sacrifice. And Great Debate was simply an amazing exercise in sounding like Tool, and would probably be in the mid 20's or so.
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... Lie is not in top 10? NOOOOOOOOOO.
It wouldn't make my top 50.
Same here. I'm baffled that they chose that song for a video.
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Your rankings are your rankings, but it hurts my soul that you have "Hell's Kitchen" that low.
It's a great tune, but I feel that it's too short. They could have done so much with it, but it ends too early.
But it's 4 minutes of pure orgasm. To stretch it out would be to defile its perfection.
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Your rankings are your rankings, but it hurts my soul that you have "Hell's Kitchen" that low.
It's a great tune, but I feel that it's too short. They could have done so much with it, but it ends too early.
But it's 4 minutes of pure orgasm. To stretch it out would be to defile its perfection.
Absolutely. "Hell's Kitchen" is perfect as is. :tup :tup
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Honestly, I don't think "Space Dye Vest" is gonna make it. Quad is a big prog guy, meaning he loves the prog epics a lot, and I see 12 big omissions right now (nine epics plus SDV plus two major winners that aren't that long from SFAM), and two of those are gonna lose out, and I think "Space Dye Vest" will be one of 'em.
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Your rankings are your rankings, but it hurts my soul that you have "Hell's Kitchen" that low.
It's a great tune, but I feel that it's too short. They could have done so much with it, but it ends too early.
*gasps*
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Here's the first 3 of the big 10. Time to finally rid the speculation about...
10. "Space-Dye Vest" - Awake
Yes, it made it onto the list. And yes, it falls at number 10. As I've said in the past, I am a massive fan of bands throwing us curve balls that come from no where, and this song is probably the best example of a band doing that across any genre. The use of drone-ish guitars, the minimalistic piano melody, the samples, the emotion, the build, everything about this song is perfect. When the song comes to a head it is just pure musical bliss. There is nothing about this song that isn't downright amazing.
9. "Scene Eight: The Spirit Carries On" - Metropolis Pt. II: Scenes From A Memory
One of the best and most emotional songs that Dream Theater has done. JP has one of the best solos of all time on this song. The lyrics are also something that I can immediately relate to, what with the spiritual connotation. The version on Score has an impeccable introduction, and the gospel parts on the album version really add to the overall feel of the piece. For a long time this was my favorite DT song but it has since fallen back a little, albeit still in the top ten.
8. "In The Name of God" - Train of Thought
Ahh, ITNoG. The best that ToT has to offer. This song always gave me the chills but a few months ago I was listening to this song with headphones and I realized that towards the end you can hear the chanting of "My Eyes Have Seen the Coming of the Glory of the Lord" and I was literally paralyzed with spinal chills. It was one of the most eerie, yet amazing musical moments that I have had the honor of having. In my opinion, the entirety of ToT builds up to this song, and DT really delivered well.
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It's great to see SDV is the top 10. I know it's a song that people either love or hate, but I've personally always felt a strong connection to the tune. Good job, Quad! Can't wait to see the rest.
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Good list Quad, even though I vehemently disagree with a lot of it, I've enjoyed following it and I find your opinions on the songs somehow intriguing. :biggrin:
I do share your love for WDADU and Afterlife, which I also think is its best song. :tup
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I do share your love for WDADU and Afterlife, which I also think is its best song. :tup
Awesome :tup
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It's great to see SDV is the top 10. I know it's a song that people either love or hate, but I've personally always felt a strong connection to the tune. Good job, Quad! Can't wait to see the rest.
Hell yes :metal
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My girlfriend watched Score with me yesterday, and The Spirit Carries On stood out to her the most! It's such an emotionally epic song!
(On a side note, she also really loved Octavarium :D)
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Ah, so "Space Dye Vest" DID make the top 10!! Nice! :tup :tup
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Ah, so "Space Dye Vest" DID make the top 10!! Nice! :tup :tup
AS IT SHOULD!
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Ah, so "Space Dye Vest" DID make the top 10!! Nice! :tup :tup
AS IT SHOULD!
You may hate Genesis but you almost totally made up for it with this statement :tup
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Ah, so "Space Dye Vest" DID make the top 10!! Nice! :tup :tup
:tup :tup
Anyways, 7 and 6 will be up later today, probably after 9PM at some point.
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7. "The Count of Tuscany" - Black Clouds & Silver Linings
I didn't know what to do with myself the first time I heard this song. The part from the slow psychedelic guitar driven part to the ending is probably the best finale to an epic that any band has ever written for a song ever. Everything about this song is amazing, from the somber beginnings to the "I, I don't wanna diee!" choruses, to the intrumental parts to the ending. DT really outdid themselves on this song and I was honestly not really expecting anything they'd write lately to ever make it this high.
6. "Metropolis Pt. I: The Miracle and the Sleeper" - Images and Words
The fan favorite. Even though I've never seen this song live myself, I've seen or heard live versions enough times to know that the song sounds really awesome live. This song features some of the coolest riffs that the band ever wrote and features some of LaBrie's best singing. This track always gives me a good pickup whenever I need it.
So, now that we are halfway through the top 10, anyone want to make predictions for my Top 5?
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Since you are asking for predictions, I will list the seven other glaring omissions (6-10 were five of the 12 I referred to yesterday):
"Learning to Live"
"Voices"
"Scarred"
"Fatal Tragedy"
"Finally Free"
"Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence"
"Octavarium"
Hard to believe two of those can be left off. Not that I think "6DOIT" is nearly as good as the rest of those, but many do. Will be interesting to see what didn't make it.
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Of those that Kev listed, I'm going to guess that Scarred and 6DoiT aren't going to be a part of this list, which is crazy when we're talking about 6DoiT.
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Heh, I cheated and looked back at the Scarred vs. TDEN thread, and Quad said he preferred TDEN by miles, so it looks like "Scarred" is gonna not make it here. Bah. :censored
:p
I think "Fatal Tragedy" will be the other one left off, as I just don't see him leaving 6DOIT's title cut off, and the other three should be no-brainers. Well, I don't think "Octavarium" is a no-brainer for the top 5; maybe for the top 20, but no way it doesn't make the top 50 altogether.
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In no order :
SDOIT
Octavarium
Learning to Live
Beyond This Life
Voices
What do I win ?
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In no order :
SDOIT
Octavarium
Learning to Live
Beyond This Life
Voices
What do I win ?
"Beyond This Life" already has a spot at 28.
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:facepalm:
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I'd say Octavarium, 6 Degrees and Learning to Live are given. I'd say it's going to be Voices and either Pull Me Under or Fatal Tragedy. However, I can't see any of those three missing the top 50, so your guess is as good as mine.
I'll also say I'm surprised we haven't seen As I Am yet, but I can't see that one in the top five, even though it features some of JP's best guitar work.
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Pull Me Under in the top 5? That's some crazy wackadoo.
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In no order :
SDOIT
Octavarium
Learning to Live
Beyond This Life
Voices
What do I win ?
you lose i'm afraid (already had BTL).
Replace BTL with scarred is a decent bet though.
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As much as I disagreed with the other 45 places on this list, the top 5 looks like it's going to be pretty bitchin'.
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In no order :
SDOIT
Octavarium
Learning to Live
Beyond This Life
Voices
What do I win ?
"Beyond This Life" already has a spot at 28.
And it should be much, much lower :angel:
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Great list so far, hope to see Six Degrees or Octavarium at number 1 :tup
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UPDATE!
Also, would you mind if I eventually took over this thread?
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I'm guessing SDOIT, Octavarium, LtL, Voices and then I'm not really sure. Has Disappear been featured yet? I forget, but maybe a slower, slightly more surprising choice like that?
Actually based on Quad's LastFM Pull Me Under looks possible/probable.
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Come on now Quad! :D We wanna know the 5 best DT songs, in your opinion
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Just come to this list, but I've read it through thus far, so I'm caught up. Interesting list so far. Shame that The Great Debate didn't make the main list (#51), but you can't have everything. Looking forward to the top 5. :)
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UPDATE!
Also, would you mind if I eventually took over this thread?
Of course not, as soon as I am finished I will gladly change the title to reflect your list.
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5. "Octavarium" - Octavarium
Whew, what a trip this song is. There really isn't enough you can say about it. It's got everything, from an awesome PF inspired introduction with JR's best continuum work, to the Yes sounding synth work a bit before halfway through to the big verses that list influence to the fast paces later-middle section to the epic finale. Certainly the best on 8VM and the fifth best song the band ever wrote.
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Interesting, I asummed 6DOIT and Octavarium would battle for 1 and 2 but still cool.
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His number one is You Not Me
duh
:splodetard:
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Octavarium had to make the top five :tup
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4. "Scene Three: II. Fatal Tragedy - Metropolis Pt. II: Scenes From A Memory
This song easily features some of the greatest riffs that DT has ever come up with. It is a quintessential DT song in that it features everything that DT is good at doing in under 10 minutes, so it's one of the best songs to show someone who is getting into the band. The middle section is easily the best instrumental DT has done by miles. It also features amazing vocals by LaBrie and awesome lyrics. It ends with an incredible unison section that always leaves me dazed and confused :lol. Not a bad moment in this song if you ask me.
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You put Fatal Tragedy in a better place than Octavarium? >:(
*MP roar from ANTR*
But yeah, I can dig the list. It's been pretty fun going through it like this in 5 song intervals (obviously though now it's shorter).
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You put Fatal Tragedy in a better place than Octavarium? >:(
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4. "Scene Three: II. Fatal Tragedy - Metropolis Pt. II: Scenes From A Memory
This song easily features some of the greatest riffs that DT has ever come up with. It is a quintessential DT song in that it features everything that DT is good at doing in under 10 minutes, so it's one of the best songs to show someone who is getting into the band. The middle section is easily the best instrumental DT has done by miles. It also features amazing vocals by LaBrie and awesome lyrics. It ends with an incredible unison section that always leaves me dazed and confused :lol. Not a bad moment in this song if you ask me.
YES. Everything about this song is amazing. Every single part.
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You put Fatal Tragedy in a better place than Octavarium? >:(
Yup, it basically consists of everything that 8VM has, but better.
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I have no problem at all with the placement of "Fatal Tragedy" at number 4. It wouldn't be that high for me, but it is an awesome song. And I probably like it more than "Octavarium," too. :tup :tup
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Back when I started listening to Dream Theater, Fatal tragedy was my number 1. Now it would probably make top 15. ;D Awesome song indeed.
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I second the above. The closing instrumental section contains Mike Portnoy's best drumming, imo. It was the first song of theirs I really got into, so it deserves its place in the top 5.
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Back when I started listening to Dream Theater, Fatal tragedy was my number 1. Now it would probably make top 15. ;D Awesome song indeed.
:O same thing happend to me :p
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While I personally wouldn't put anything from Scenes in my top 5, I approve of most of these choices.
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I like myungs playing during the Unison :smiley:
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3. "Learning to Live" - Images & Words
I honestly don't even know where to start with LtL. It's such musical perfection in every aspect. It has LaBrie's highest note on any DT album (I think) and the ending is just one of the best things ever. The "Wait for Sleep" reprise is pretty awesome too. I wish DT would play this song live more for us newer fans, because it'd be pretty sick to see played live in its entirety.
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Finally something that deserves its place in top 5. :metal
Learning To Live is easily in my top 5 as well. A perfect song. I consider it as a happy version of Scarred, which is also in my top 5.
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LtL is consistently in my top 3 (usually 2 or 3), so, yeah, I like this pick. :)
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Number 1 for me without a doubt :biggrin:
Seeing it in the top five pleases me wholeheartedly.
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Number 1 for me without a doubt :biggrin:
Seeing it in the top five pleases me wholeheartedly.
I agree with this. LTL is musical perfection all around.
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Great pick indeed.
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LtL is perhaps my #1 DT song. Such a masterpiece on a masterpiece album.
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LtL is perhaps my #1 DT song. Such a masterpiece on a masterpiece album.
This. I absolutely love this song. Great to see that you have it ranked so high.
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LtL is perhaps my #1 DT song. Such a masterpiece on a masterpiece album.
Yup, great choice.
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Fatal Tragedy was my first favorite Dream Theater song! I now put it in the top five still, though. :D
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Yay, at least we all agree on LtL!
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I'm guessing SDOIT and Pull Me Under.
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Yay, at least we all agree on LtL!
It isn't a very controversial pick for a favorite song.
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Trial of Tears shoulda been in the top 2!
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If both "Voices" and "Scarred" don't make this top 50, I am disowning you, Quad. ;) :lol
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Yay, at least we all agree on LtL!
It's really hard to hate the song...
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Yay, at least we all agree on LtL!
It's really hard to hate the song...
Yeah, pretty much. Great song.
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If both "Voices" and "Scarred" don't make this top 50, I am disowning you, Quad. ;) :lol
"Voices" would be my number 1, so I'm hoping it's here too.
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Here is number 2..
2. "Scene Nine: Finally Free" - Metropolis Pt. II: Scenes From A Memory
The grand finale of the best album ever created clocks in a number two on my controversial list. I'd imagine that this song is going to create quite a bit of controversy, but here it is. I consider this song to be so unbelievable that I only listen to it on rare occasion because often times I don't feel worthy listening to it. I don't even want to mention any specific parts because I feel like that would incorrectly demean other parts of this piece, and I can't just sit here and write a massive essay about the entire thing so I'll just leave it at saying this: For those that disagree with its placement. Listen again, and actually pay attention to it, and let it take you away.
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Here is number 2..
2. "Scene Nine: Finally Free" - Metropolis Pt. II: Scenes From A Memory
The grand finale of the best album ever created clocks in a number two on my controversial list. I'd imagine that this song is going to create quite a bit of controversy, but here it is. I consider this song to be so unbelievable that I only listen to it on rare occasion because often times I don't feel worthy listening to it. I don't even want to mention any specific parts because I feel like that would incorrectly demean other parts of this piece, and I can't just sit here and write a massive essay about the entire thing so I'll just leave it at saying this: For those that disagree with its placement. Listen again, and actually pay attention to it, and let it take you away.
Wow. Unexpected choice. For me, at least.
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Unexpected for me too. But then, now I remember how great this song is. The chorus is one of the best I've ever heard. "This feeling, inside me, finally found my life I'm finally free."
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While this wouldn't be my number 2 DT song, anyone who has a problem with the placement of "Finally Free" needs to have their ears checked. :p That song is just full of win. :coolio
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Great choice for spot number 2! Finally Free is in my top 5 as well. A great, great song and a fantastic album closer.
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Here is number 2..
2. "Scene Nine: Finally Free" - Metropolis Pt. II: Scenes From A Memory
The grand finale of the best album ever created clocks in a number two on my controversial list. I'd imagine that this song is going to create quite a bit of controversy, but here it is. I consider this song to be so unbelievable that I only listen to it on rare occasion because often times I don't feel worthy listening to it. I don't even want to mention any specific parts because I feel like that would incorrectly demean other parts of this piece, and I can't just sit here and write a massive essay about the entire thing so I'll just leave it at saying this: For those that disagree with its placement. Listen again, and actually pay attention to it, and let it take you away.
HELL YES. Also a top 5 DT song for me!! :metal :metal
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Great choice!
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:omg:
OK, that was unexpected. I was going to post yesterday that it was gonna be between 6DOIT and Pull Me Under, but this has blown the championship wide open.
Well done. :tup
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Whoa, I so didn't see this coming! ;D
Great song, but actually one of my lesser favorites on the magnificent SFAM. But heck, even my lesser favorites on that particular album still rule. :)
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OK, that was unexpected.
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Brilliant choice, it is definately a top 5 song for me too. It is just full of win. That riff at the end is just epic :metal
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Someone wanna list numbers 50 through 2? I'm too lazy to do so :P
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Since I got nothing to do.
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50. The Silent Man
49. Overture 1928
48. These Walls
47. New Millennium
46. The Shattered Fortress
45. The Mirror
44. Hollow Years
43. A Fortune in Lies
42. Another Day
41. The Best of Times
40. Only a Matter of Time
39. Through Her Eyes
38. Sacrificed Sons
37. The Dark Eternal Night
36. Strange Deja Vu
35. The Root of All Evil
34. In the Presence of Enemies
33. The Ytse Jam
32. Stream of Consciousness
31. The Killing Hand
30. The Ministry of Lost Souls
29. Afterlife
28. Beyond This Life
27. Anna Lee
26. Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
25. Lines in the Sand
24. Disappear
23. Erotomania
22. The Glass Prison
21. Under a Glass Moon
20. A Change of Seasons
19. Trial of Tears
18. A Nightmare to Remember
17. Misunderstood
16. Home
15. Take the Time
14. Endless Sacrifice
13. Surrounded
12. Blind Faith
11. The Dance of Eternity
10. Space-Dye Vest
9. The Spirit Carries On
8. In the Name of God
7. The Count of Tuscany
6. Metropolis
5. Octavarium
4. Fatal Tragedy
3. Learning to Live
2. Finally Free
1. ???
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Just realized how unique this list is. :)
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Awesome pick. There are so many mood changes in the song and somehow they all work really well and it doesn't feel cut and paste one bit. One of the best, for sure.
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OK, that was unexpected.
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Voices or Scarred for # 1 I assume? Both are respectable choices. But given one of them, the absence of the other from your Top 50 is mystifying. :lol
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It has to be You Not Me.
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Sadly, SDOIT is going to be number 1. Oh well. Good list, nonetheless.
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If both "Voices" and "Scarred" don't make this top 50, I am disowning you, Quad. ;) :lol
Changing this to:
If both "Voices" and "Scarred" don't make this top 50, while "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence" is number one, I am disowning you, Quad. ;) :lol
:p
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If both "Voices" and "Scarred" don't make this top 50, I am disowning you, Quad. ;) :lol
Changing this to:
If both "Voices" and "Scarred" don't make this top 50, while "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence" is number one, I am disowning you, Quad. ;) :lol
So this.
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It is without question going to be:
CAUGHT IN ALICE'S NINE-INCH TOOL GARDEN!!!
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Great choice for number two, I always forget how amazing Finally Free is until I actually listen to it. Hmmm, I still think it'll be SDOIT or Pull Me Under, but then where's Voices? Very interesting list.
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I'd be disappointed to see PMU as number one. I'm really surprised Voices/Scarred isn't on the list yet based on his prior choices.
Here's to number one being either of those two.
EDIT: Yeah, SDOIT isn't on there. Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
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SDOIT is Dream Theater's most overrated song ever. Any other realistic pick would be preferable
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I think he'll pick Raise the knife as number 1. yeah
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I think he'll pick Raise the knife as number 1. yeah
While that would be completely unexpected and awesome at the same time, I really don't think that it's going to happen.
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That would blow.
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I know I'm gonna be wrong, but I'm gonna guess either PMU or 6DOIT
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The lack of either SDOIT, Voices and/or Scarred is disturbing.
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Its gonna be 6DOIT. Calling it.
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Eve.
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John Thinks He's Randy Song.
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Prophets of War or You Not Me
ITS ALL ABOUT CHYEAW
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Six Degrees, an easy call knowing where quadro's taste lie.
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John Thinks He's Randy Song.
Mike Thinks He's DeeDee Ramone Introducing A Song Song
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SDOIT is Dream Theater's most overrated song ever.
Agreed. Don't get me wrong, it is very good, but they have many, many songs that are better, IMO.
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SDOIT is Dream Theater's most overrated song ever.
Agreed. Don't get me wrong, it is very good, but they have many, many songs that are better, IMO.
This. Although About To Crash Reprise has one of my favourite DT riffs.
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Yeah, SDOIT is a good song but not their best, I think...It'll be interesting to see what Quads 1# song is ;D
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Before I post what my favorite DT song is, I'd like to rank their albums. (The final song will come in a few hours)
1. Metropolis Pt. II: Scenes From A Memory
2. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
3. Images & Words
4. Train of Thought
5. Octavarium
6. When Dream & Day Unite
7. Falling Into Infinity
8. Black Clouds & Silver Linings
9. Systematic Chaos
10. Awake
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I think it's safe to say that "Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence" will be #1.
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3. Images & Words
10. Awake
Does not compute...
Either way, I also bet for Six Degrees and it would definitely be deserved.
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3. Images & Words
10. Awake
Does not compute...
This is much worse...
9. Systematic Chaos
10. Awake
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3. Images & Words
10. Awake
Does not compute...
This is much worse...
9. Systematic Chaos
10. Awake
Nah. SC in 9th is much more understandable than Awake in 10th.
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SC in 9th is much more understandable than Awake in 10th.
So, so true.
And there is no way that 6DOIT is Quad's 2nd favorite DT album with the title track not being one of his 50 favorite DT songs, so I think number one is pretty obvious now.
This means, no "Scarred" or "Voices." :eek :eek :eek :eek Quad might be the only DT fan on this site where that would happen. :p :lol
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I will pray for him.
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With 6DoIT and ToT so high, I'm very surprised to see Awake so low. Care to explain?
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3. Images & Words
10. Awake
Does not compute...
This is much worse...
9. Systematic Chaos
10. Awake
Nah. SC in 9th is much more understandable than Awake in 10th.
I meant Awake being below SC is worse.
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With 6DoIT and ToT so high, I'm very surprised to see Awake so low. Care to explain?
How can you explain the unexplainable? :p :biggrin:
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It just never did anything for me. I've given it at least 30 listens over the past 6 years I've been a DT fan and it has never really done much of anything for me. (The exception being SDV)
It's a good progressive metal album but there are so many songs that are just complete throwaways (Like the first three tracks).
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This list makes my head full of fuck. Number one is sure to be totally obvious, or in a predictable twist of fate, some dumb obscure unpopular b-side that no one gives two shits about. Good work, Quad. DTF can't repel fail of this magnitude.
The top ten barely redeems this thread. :yeahright
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Interesting. Awake was a sleeper album for me - I didn't really like it at first but eventually it grew on me like it was a colony of E. coli and I was room-temperature Canadian beef. Come to think of it, I need to give it a listen now.
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It just never did anything for me. I've given it at least 30 listens over the past 6 years I've been a DT fan and it has never really done much of anything for me. (The exception being SDV)
It's a good metal album but there are so many songs that are just complete throwaways (Like the first three tracks).
So much for that glimmer of hope that "Innocence Faded" would be number 1. :lol :biggrin: :corn
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This list makes my head full of fuck. Number one is sure to be totally obvious, or in a predictable twist of fate, some dumb obscure unpopular b-side that no one gives two shits about. Good work, Quad. DTF can't repel fail of this magnitude.
The top ten barely redeems this thread. :yeahright
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It just never did anything for me. I've given it at least 30 listens over the past 6 years I've been a DT fan and it has never really done much of anything for me. (The exception being SDV)
It's a good metal album but there are so many songs that are just complete throwaways (Like the first three tracks).
What you like is what you like. But Awake isn't a "metal album." There are really only 2 metal songs on it (The Mirror & Lie), maybe 4 if you want to count 6:00 and Caught In A Web. Even so, that's only 4/11. I'm not sure how Innocence Faded, Erotomania, Voices, The Silent Man, Lifting Shadows Off A Dream, Scarred, and Space-Dye Vest could be construed as metal.
But you're right about what Pirate posted. WTF, man. Why would you piss on his whole thread like that?
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Yeah, Pirate, that was not cool. While I might disagree with some of these picks and the omission of certain songs, I am giving Quad crap mostly in jest, which I am sure most others are, too. It is his list and he can put the songs in any order he wants. Don't like it? Make your own list.
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I removed it, I'm sorry for freaking out, and as soon as I wrote that I realized that my post was nothing but a YOU MAD post, so it was best to remove it.
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It just never did anything for me. I've given it at least 30 listens over the past 6 years I've been a DT fan and it has never really done much of anything for me. (The exception being SDV)
It's a good metal album but there are so many songs that are just complete throwaways (Like the first three tracks).
What you like is what you like. But Awake isn't a "metal album." There are really only 2 metal songs on it (The Mirror & Lie), maybe 4 if you want to count 6:00 and Caught In A Web. Even so, that's only 4/11. I'm not sure how Innocence Faded, Erotomania, Voices, The Silent Man, Lifting Shadows Off A Dream, Scarred, and Space-Dye Vest could be construed as metal.
But you're right about what Pirate posted. WTF, man. Why would you piss on his whole thread like that?
And yea, it was supposed to say Progressive Metal. It was a typo. :lol
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Voices and Scarred arent't in your top 50...I just don't understand.
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Voices and Scarred arent't in your top 50...I just don't understand.
Well, to be fair, I haven't posted number 1 yet, so you can't say that just yet. >_>
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Yeah, Pirate, that was not cool. While I might disagree with some of these picks and the omission of certain songs, I am giving Quad crap mostly in jest, which I am sure most others are, too. It is his list and he can put the songs in any order he wants. Don't like it? Make your own list.
But of course my comment was also in jest! Heh heh heh :-[ Who am I to criticize one of the brave few that share their in depth opinions! And no, I refuse to make a list past simply ordering the songs. I have the time lol, but nay the concentration.
Oh yeah Quad hurry up we are all waiting ;)
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Voices and Scarred arent't in your top 50...I just don't understand.
Well, to be fair, I haven't posted number 1 yet, so you can't say that just yet. >_>
There are still SDOIT, Voices and Scarred that haven't been ranked. Two of them won't make the cut, which is pretty surprising. But hey, you had a lot of interesting choices, and it was interesting to follow your top 50.
BTW, I still think SDOIT is your #1 :P
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1. "You Not Me" - Falling Into Infinity
There are few songs that do for me what "You Not Me" does. Everything about this song is absolutely flawless, from the amazing lyrics crafted by Petrucci and perfected by Desmond Child, to the absolutely stunning guitar solo to the delivery of LaBrie's vocals. One of the other things about this song that absolutely blows my mind is the musical reference to "Raise the Knife" that appears about halfway through on the keyboards. Speaking of keyboards, this song also has my favorite keyboard riffs delivered by Derek out of all of the material he worked on during his run with Dream Theater. Overall, a great song, and one of my favorites, perhaps my all-time favorite.
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lol you got me :neverusethis:
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:splodetard:
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lol
:|
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I withdraw my statement. Take your Time, man!
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OK I'll stop fooling around.
1. "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence" - Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
I guess you all saw it coming, but yea, 6DOIT is my favorite DT song. The only possible negative thing I can say about this song is that I feel the Overture drags a little bit, but other than that it is pure musical perfection, and I always find myself enjoying it whenever I listen to it. In particular, the "Solitary Shell" movement has had an extremely enormous impact on my life. It was the first time in my life that I had listened to a song and felt that the artist had written a song about me. I related to much to the lyrics that I was listening to SS everyday for quite a while. I don't have autism, but I was a pretty lonesome person throughout most of my Middle School/High School years and the lyrics literally describe me to a T, and back in my sophomore year of High school when I first heard this song I was so stunned and amazed at the beauty of the song that I knew right then and there that DT would be one of my favorite bands, and that "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence" would be one of my favorite songs.
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:tup The only drawback of 6DOIT for me is Goodnight Kiss. The guitar solo is sick, but the song itself is torture for me to listen to...
Every other part of 6DOIT is amazing though. :metal I love the overture especially.
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No Voices... that is highly disappointing...
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No Voices... that is highly disappointing...
At least point I can freely say that I hate both "Voices" and "Scarred".
Both would be in my Bottom 10 DT songs, right with "Constant Motion", "You Not Me", and some other classic failgems.
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Poor choice for #1, IMO. I can't say I've ever actually enjoyed listening to the song Six Degrees in its entirety.
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No Voices... that is highly disappointing...
At least point I can freely say that I hate both "Voices" and "Scarred".
Both would be in my Bottom 10 DT songs, right with "Constant Motion", "You Not Me", and some other classic failgems.
You need to listen to Awake more. Or atleast just Erotomania/Voices.
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No Voices... that is highly disappointing...
At least point I can freely say that I hate both "Voices" and "Scarred".
Both would be in my Bottom 10 DT songs, right with "Constant Motion", "You Not Me", and some other classic failgems.
Hate?
Nobody hates Voices. Not even Blobbers. Why don't you like it so much?
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No Voices... that is highly disappointing...
At least point I can freely say that I hate both "Voices" and "Scarred".
Both would be in my Bottom 10 DT songs, right with "Constant Motion", "You Not Me", and some other classic failgems.
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:sadpanda:
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Poor choice for #1, IMO. I can't say I've ever actually enjoyed listening to the song Six Degrees in its entirety.
I'm sorry to hear that.
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I like all of the individual parts of the song, but for me, "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence" is best listened to in pieces. As a whole, it seems a bit choppy at times and doesn't flow that well, IMO, but each individual part is still good enough for me to like it as a whole, even if I almost never listen to the whole thing all the way through. But the last two minutes is still the most unnecessary thing ever. It was almost like they made the fadeout extra long just to make a super long song even longer. Otherwise, what was the purpose?
Regardless, nice job with this thread! :tup :tup
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No Voices... that is highly disappointing...
At least point I can freely say that I hate both "Voices" and "Scarred".
Both would be in my Bottom 10 DT songs, right with "Constant Motion", "You Not Me", and some other classic failgems.
Hate?
Nobody hates Voices. Not even Blobbers. Why don't you like it so much?
Because it is a bad song. (By DT standards)
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You're wrong.
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I like all of the individual parts of the song, but for me, "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence" is best listened to in pieces. As a whole, it seems a bit choppy at times and doesn't flow that well, IMO, but each individual part is still good enough for me to like it as a whole, even if I almost never listen to the whole thing all the way through. But the last two minutes is still the most unnecessary thing ever. It was almost like they made the fadeout extra long just to make a super long song even longer. Otherwise, what was the purpose?
Regardless, nice job with this thread! :tup :tup
:tup Thanks man.
And I think that MP just wanted to copy the ending of "A Day In The Life", which is why the song goes on for two minutes at the end.
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You're wrong.
lol at an opinion being wrong.
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But but it's Voices, man :sad:
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Voices repeating me
The way LaBrie delivers that line in the song makes me want to commit suicide.
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And I think that MP just wanted to copy the ending of "A Day In The Life", which is why the song goes on for two minutes at the end.
It was still unnecessarily long. The fadeout is nearly two minutes, while the "A Day in the Life" fadeout is around 40 seconds before the looped ending (or whatever you want to call it) kicks in.
And I am staying out of this "Voices" debate...for now. :lol :lol
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At least point I can freely say that I hate both "Voices" and "Scarred".
Both would be in my Bottom 10 DT songs, right with "Constant Motion", "You Not Me", and some other classic failgems.
Hard for me, too, to comprehend "Voices" being in someone's bottom 10 (it's my number 1), but to each his own. Really enjoyed the thread, though. It provided some new and interesting perspectives on DT's catalog.
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And I think that MP just wanted to copy the ending of "A Day In The Life", which is why the song goes on for two minutes at the end.
It was still unnecessarily long. The fadeout is nearly two minutes, while the "A Day in the Life" fadeout is around 40 seconds before the looped ending (or whatever you want to call it) kicks in.
And I am staying out of this "Voices" debate...for now. :lol :lol
Yea I definitely agree, but I don't feel that it takes away from the song seeing as it is the end. Had it been in the middle then yea, it'd be ridiculous.
You don't have to listen to the last 2 minutes is what I'm saying.
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Great list. 6DOIT is a great song, and would likely be in my top 5, though if I did a list I'd be more inclined to rank them by movements.
It's sad to see no Voices in the top 10, but I'm not too put off by not seeing Scarred. Though I like Scarred, I think it's easily one of the most overrated DT songs. The intro jam is cool, but James sounds terrible on the verses and the chorus is one of DT's worst. The song isn't even good until it quiets down into that epic do you feel you don't know me anymore segment, though the subsequent instrumental section and outro are both cool.
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So, the last two minutes of your favorite song by the band don't really have to be listened to? Okay. :lol :lol :biggrin: :biggrin:
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So, the last two minutes of your favorite song by the band don't really have to be listened to? Okay. :lol :lol :biggrin: :biggrin:
1 minute and 40 seconds of a 42 minute song is about equal to 70 seconds of a 20 minute song. You can't tell me that there aren't 70 seconds of bad music in "2112" :loser: :lol
EDIT: Shit, there actually aren't.
Touche sir
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So, the last two minutes of your favorite song by the band don't really have to be listened to? Okay. :lol :lol :biggrin: :biggrin:
Why should you have to listen to the two minutes of silence for it to be your favorite song? Especially if all your skipping is silence.
Octivarium is one of my favorite DT songs but sometimes I skip the four minute intro just because I'd rather get to a more interesting part of the song. Does this mean it's not worthy of being my favorite song?
I'm saying I don't like the intro by the way. I love it, I just am sometimes not in the mood for it.
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Voices isn't that amazing.
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Why should you have to listen to the two minutes of silence for it to be your favorite song? Especially if all your skipping is silence.
:lol I actually usually don't even skip it. I don't mind it at all.
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Voices isn't that amazing.
It is pretty damn good.
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Voices isn't that amazing.
Thank you. :tup
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So, the last two minutes of your favorite song by the band don't really have to be listened to? Okay. :lol :lol :biggrin: :biggrin:
1 minute and 40 seconds of a 42 minute song is about equal to 70 seconds of a 20 minute song. You can't tell me that there aren't 70 seconds of bad music in "2112" :loser: :lol
EDIT: Shit, there actually aren't.
Touche sir
I never said the ending was bad music, just that it was unnecessary. A long fadeout at about half the length they did it at would have been more than sufficient.
And, yes, "2112" is perfection from start to finish. :metal
So, the last two minutes of your favorite song by the band don't really have to be listened to? Okay. :lol :lol :biggrin: :biggrin:
Why should you have to listen to the two minutes of silence for it to be your favorite song?
Octivarium is one of my favorite DT songs but sometimes I skip the four minute intro just because I'd rather get to a more interesting part of the song. Does this mean it's not worthy of being my favorite song?
I'm saying I don't like the intro by the way. I love it, I just am sometimes not in the mood for it.
That is more about time probably than the content of the song. Heck, sometimes, if pressed for time, I listen to just the first two parts of "2112." I guess I am just different; I can't imagine one of my favorite songs by one of my favorite bands being one where I routinely skip a certain part of the song, assuming I have the time to listen to the song, if it is a long one.
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Why should you have to listen to the two minutes of silence for it to be your favorite song? Especially if all your skipping is silence.
Octivarium is one of my favorite DT songs but sometimes I skip the four minute intro just because I'd rather get to a more interesting part of the song. Does this mean it's not worthy of being my favorite song?
It's really only your favorite if you made a loop of nothing but Jordan's intro to the song on Score and you listen to nothing but that. That's a true fan. Likewise an 80 minute loop on cd of nothing but the last 2 minutes of Six Degrees would also show true fandom. And, by the way, that outro is even longer if you count "As I Am."
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I guess I am just different; I can't imagine one of my favorite songs by one of my favorite bands being one where I routinely skip a certain part of the song, assuming I have the time to listen to the song, if it is a long one.
:lol I actually usually don't even skip it. I don't mind it at all.
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I love "Voices," and I also love Quad's list. Thanks for the read dude.
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So, the last two minutes of your favorite song by the band don't really have to be listened to? Okay. :lol :lol :biggrin: :biggrin:
Why should you have to listen to the two minutes of silence for it to be your favorite song?
Octivarium is one of my favorite DT songs but sometimes I skip the four minute intro just because I'd rather get to a more interesting part of the song. Does this mean it's not worthy of being my favorite song?
I'm saying I don't like the intro by the way. I love it, I just am sometimes not in the mood for it.
That is more about time probably than the content of the song. Heck, sometimes, if pressed for time, I listen to just the first two parts of "2112." I guess I am just different; I can't imagine one of my favorite songs by one of my favorite bands being one where I routinely skip a certain part of the song, assuming I have the time to listen to the song, if it is a long one.
You're right, in my case it's more about time because I do like the intro.
But I can't imagine why something can't be your favorite song because you skip two minutes of silence at the end. Because the silence contributes so much to the song. ::)
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No Voices... that is highly disappointing...
At least point I can freely say that I hate both "Voices" and "Scarred".
Both would be in my Bottom 10 DT songs, right with "Constant Motion", "You Not Me", and some other classic failgems.
Hate?
Nobody hates Voices. Not even Blobbers. Why don't you like it so much?
Because it is a bad song. (By DT standards)
This isn't a valid reason. There has to be something more specific
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But I can't imagine why something can't be your favorite song because you skip two minutes of silence at the end. Because the silence contributes so much to the song. ::)
You just agreed with my point. The long fadeout doesn't really contribute to the song, therefore making it unnecessary, which is what I have said it is all along.
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And Kev, "Glass Arm Shattering" has like 5 minutes of silence at the end, and yet it is still a great PT tune.
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Awesome list Quad. :tup
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No Voices... that is highly disappointing...
At least point I can freely say that I hate both "Voices" and "Scarred".
Both would be in my Bottom 10 DT songs, right with "Constant Motion", "You Not Me", and some other classic failgems.
Hate?
Nobody hates Voices. Not even Blobbers. Why don't you like it so much?
Because it is a bad song. (By DT standards)
This isn't a valid reason. There has to be something more specific
Um, it just never clicked with me? I don't know what to say. I've listened to it, and never ever enjoyed it.
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One of James' best vocal moments:
"..being laughed at and confused keeps us pleasantly amused enough to STAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY"
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I would just like to point out that it isn't really two minutes of silence.
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I would just like to point out that it isn't really two minutes of silence.
It might as well be.
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OK, gave another honest listen to Awake. It's been quite a while since I've spun it (about a year).
After one "new-listen" I'd say it still ranks in 9th. SC is definitely worse. But at the same time I can't say it's better than anything else by them.
I think it was one of those things where the lat time I listened to it, I wasn't that happy with it, so never went back, and always remembered it being way worse than it was.
Still though, Neither "Scarred" or "Voices" would make my top 50. I just can't get into those songs. "Erotomania" might have been a bit higher now though.
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As long as you have Awake above SC I'm happy. :tup
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As long as you have Awake above SC I'm happy. :tup
This.
Also, Awake is one of those albums I can't listen to regularly. When I do, I absolutely love it and always listen to it all the way through. But I listen to it very rarely, and almost never listen to just one or two songs.
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Excellent choice my friend. SDOIT is my 2nd favourite song. I just think the whole way through (including overture) it never drags on, it never gets boring, and it keeps me excited the whole way through. About to Crash(both of em) are the highlights for me. But i would normally always listen to it the whole way through.
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Great choice, SDoIT is very high on my own list.
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Not an agreeable list, but interesting nonetheless. Six Degrees is amazing, although I have a hard time listening through the whole epic.
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Being the complete and utter geek that I am, and for purely personal interest, I have taken this Top 50, and split it into eight playlists on a fairly well-known music streaming site. I've split the songs so that each playlist makes an average-length CD album. The tracklistings are as follows:
Disc 1 - #50 - #41
1. The Silent Man - 3:48
2. Overture 1928 - 3:37
3. These Walls - 6:59
4. New Millennium - 8:20
5. The Shattered Fortress - 12:49 (X. Restraint/XI. Recieve/XII. Responsible)
6. The Mirror - 6:45
7. Hollow Years - 5:53
8. A Fortune in Lies - 5:12
9. Another Day - 4:23
10. The Best of Times - 13:09
Disc 2 - #40 - #34
1. Only a Matter of Time - 6:35
2. Through Her Eyes - 5:29
3. Sacrificed Sons - 10:42
4. The Dark Eternal Night - 8:53
5. Strange Deja Vu - 5:12
6. The Root of All Evil - 8:09 (VI. Ready/VII. Remove)
7. In the Presence of Enemies - 25:38 (I. Prelude/II. Resurrection/III. Heretic/IV. Slaughter of the Damned/V. The Reckoning/VI. Salvation)
Disc 3 - #33 - #26
1. Ytse Jam - 5:43
2. Stream of Consciousness - 11:16
3. The Killing Hand - 8:43 (I. The Observance/II. Ancient Renewal/III. The Stray Seed/IV. Thorns/V. Exodus)
4. The Ministry of Lost Souls - 14:57
5. Afterlife - 5:27
6. Beyond This Life - 11:22
7. Anna Lee - 5:52
8. Lifting Shadows off a Dream - 6:05
Disc 4 - #25 - #20
1. Lines in the Sand - 12:09
2. Disappear - 6:46
3. Erotomania - 6:45
4. The Glass Prison - 13:53 (I. Reflection/II. Restoration/III. Revelation)
5. Under a Glass Moon - 7:03
6. A Change of Seasons - 23:09 (I. The Crimson Sunrise/II. Innocence/III. Carpe Diem/IV. The Darkest of Winters/V. Another World/VI. The Inevitable Summer/VII. The Crimson Sunset)
Disc 5 - #19 - #14
1. Trial of Tears - 13:05 (I. It's Raining/II. Deep in Heaven/III. The Wasteland)
2. A Nightmare to Remember - 16:10
3. Misunderstood - 9:22
4. Home - 12:53
5. Take the Time - 8:21
6. Endless Sacrifice - 11:24
Disc 6 - #13 - #7
1. Surrounded - 5:30
2. Blind Faith - 10:21
3. The Dance of Eternity - 6:15
4. Space Dye Vest - 7:30
5. The Spirit Carries On - 6:38
6. In the Name of God - 14:15
7. The Count of Tuscany - 19:17
Disc 7 - #6 - #2
1. Metropolis Pt. 1: The Miracle and the Sleeper - 9:32
2. Octavarium - 24:00 (I. Someone Like Him/II. Medicate (Awakening)/III. Full Circle/IV. Intervals/V. Razor's Edge)
3. Fatal Tragedy - 6:49
4. Learning to Live - 11:31
5. Finally Free - 12:00
Disc 8 - #1
1. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence - 42:01 (I. Overture/II. About to Crash/III. War Inside My Head/IV. The Test That Stumped Them All/V. Goodnight Kiss/VI. Solitary Shell/VII. About to Crash (Reprise)/VIII. Losing Time/Grand Finale)
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There ya go. Fifty songs, on eight new DT albums. Really enjoyed reading the list, well done Quad for compiling it. :tup
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:tup The only drawback of 6DOIT for me is Goodnight Kiss. The guitar solo is sick, but the song itself is torture for me to listen to...
Yes! I also like the piano arpeggios before the verse, but thats it.
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It's okay Quad, Voices and Scarred doesn't click for me either, But I really like SDOIT though! :D and SC is much better than Awake -.-
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Interesting number 1. :tup
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Being the complete and utter geek that I am, and for purely personal interest, I have taken this Top 50, and split it into eight playlists on a fairly well-known music streaming site. I've split the songs so that each playlist makes an average-length CD album. The tracklistings are as follows:
Disc 1 - #50 - #41
1. The Silent Man - 3:48
2. Overture 1928 - 3:37
3. These Walls - 6:59
4. New Millennium - 8:20
5. The Shattered Fortress - 12:49 (X. Restraint/XI. Recieve/XII. Responsible)
6. The Mirror - 6:45
7. Hollow Years - 5:53
8. A Fortune in Lies - 5:12
9. Another Day - 4:23
10. The Best of Times - 13:09
Disc 2 - #40 - #34
1. Only a Matter of Time - 6:35
2. Through Her Eyes - 5:29
3. Sacrificed Sons - 10:42
4. The Dark Eternal Night - 8:53
5. Strange Deja Vu - 5:12
6. The Root of All Evil - 8:09 (VI. Ready/VII. Remove)
7. In the Presence of Enemies - 25:38 (I. Prelude/II. Resurrection/III. Heretic/IV. Slaughter of the Damned/V. The Reckoning/VI. Salvation)
Disc 3 - #33 - #26
1. Ytse Jam - 5:43
2. Stream of Consciousness - 11:16
3. The Killing Hand - 8:43 (I. The Observance/II. Ancient Renewal/III. The Stray Seed/IV. Thorns/V. Exodus)
4. The Ministry of Lost Souls - 14:57
5. Afterlife - 5:27
6. Beyond This Life - 11:22
7. Anna Lee - 5:52
8. Lifting Shadows off a Dream - 6:05
Disc 4 - #25 - #20
1. Lines in the Sand - 12:09
2. Disappear - 6:46
3. Erotomania - 6:45
4. The Glass Prison - 13:53 (I. Reflection/II. Restoration/III. Revelation)
5. Under a Glass Moon - 7:03
6. A Change of Seasons - 23:09 (I. The Crimson Sunrise/II. Innocence/III. Carpe Diem/IV. The Darkest of Winters/V. Another World/VI. The Inevitable Summer/VII. The Crimson Sunset)
Disc 5 - #19 - #14
1. Trial of Tears - 13:05 (I. It's Raining/II. Deep in Heaven/III. The Wasteland)
2. A Nightmare to Remember - 16:10
3. Misunderstood - 9:22
4. Home - 12:53
5. Take the Time - 8:21
6. Endless Sacrifice - 11:24
Disc 6 - #13 - #7
1. Surrounded - 5:30
2. Blind Faith - 10:21
3. The Dance of Eternity - 6:15
4. Space Dye Vest - 7:30
5. The Spirit Carries On - 6:38
6. In the Name of God - 14:15
7. The Count of Tuscany - 19:17
Disc 7 - #6 - #2
1. Metropolis Pt. 1: The Miracle and the Sleeper - 9:32
2. Octavarium - 24:00 (I. Someone Like Him/II. Medicate (Awakening)/III. Full Circle/IV. Intervals/V. Razor's Edge)
3. Fatal Tragedy - 6:49
4. Learning to Live - 11:31
5. Finally Free - 12:00
Disc 8 - #1
1. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence - 42:01 (I. Overture/II. About to Crash/III. War Inside My Head/IV. The Test That Stumped Them All/V. Goodnight Kiss/VI. Solitary Shell/VII. About to Crash (Reprise)/VIII. Losing Time/Grand Finale)
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There ya go. Fifty songs, on eight new DT albums. Really enjoyed reading the list, well done Quad for compiling it. :tup
Disc 2 and Disc 4 would be epic
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Great list Quad! While SDOIT isn't my number 1 by any stretch, I still think it's at least a very fitting number 1. While I'm upset at the lack of Voices as it is one of my top 10 DT songs, I'm not gonna rant at you about it, each to their own. Aside from Voices, I also agree with you about Awake, it's in my bottom 2 DT albums.
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Nice list. I'd probably put Six Degrees as number one too :)
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Interesting choice for number 1. However, like everyone has said, you do fail horribly for not including "Voices"
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Interesting choice for number 1. However, like everyone has said, you do fail horribly for not including "Voices"
Did you want to do your list now SDN?
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Cool list, and nice #1. Actually, I think I'll listen to it right now.
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Interesting choice for number 1. However, like everyone has said, you do fail horribly for not including "Voices"
Did you want to do your list now SDN?
Yeah, that would be cool. Only thing that's kinda weird is that Pirate has his own top 50 DT thread, but I'll gladly start and take over this one. Writeup of first five should be up tonight.
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Nobody cares about him anyway.
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Nobody cares about him anyway.
I do! :'(
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:-*
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Well, I got it done early. Here we go!
50. Forsaken-Systematic Chaos
Behold! One of the two tracks from SC that will show up on this list. Is it pop-metal? Yes. Do I care? Absolutely not. Any instance in which Jordan uses a piano on a DT song is great, in my opinion, its just a great sound combined with the darkness of the rest of the song. As an added bonus, the lyrics about vampires don't sound completely ridiculous like certain other songs DT have released lately, even if that video is very WTF.
49. Wither-Black Clouds & Silver Linings
I like this song because its Dream Theater's big "fuck you" to anyone who thinks a good power ballad can't be written anymore. Despite that, I think the piano version appearing on the Wither EP is a massive improvement. It gives James his chance to shine with great emotional vocals without needing to go into the stratosphere in the awesome way he usually does. Plus, like I've already said: JR + Piano + DT = Flawless victory.
48. Misunderstood-Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
All I have to say is "Thank God for radio edits." This song has some awesome instrumentation, like all those little played-backwards bits before the pre-chorus. Plus it features some of John Petrucci's best lyrics, and that chorus is awesome. My only beef with it is the outro (like you couldn't see that coming). The scales on the keys and the riff in the background is fine, but when the guitars just start making noise...not really a fan. It just sort of drags, but the entire first half is enough for this song to be included.
47. Only a Matter of Time-When Day and Dream Unite
Really the best reason why this is on the list are the vocals/lyrics, how everything just sort of runs together, I always thought it was pretty cool, not to mention the epic ending that DT is pretty much known for now.
46. Scarred-Awake
Oh God! *raises flame shield* So listen, its not that I hate the song, its just that there are lots of times where it just doesn't work for me. Yes, it has some of James' best vocal moments, and the intro/outro are amazing, but those are some of the most abrupt transitions I've ever heard in a song. For example, the super-grind/balls/chunk section starting at 7:02, its just not that interesting to me. I'm also not too big a fan of the "blood change me" sections until the end of that middle section that starts around 5:12. Despite those flaws, its benefits are enough to put it here.
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Thumbs up for Wither. :tup Scarred should be MUCH higher, though...
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Ten Speed better be on that list some where.
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46. Scarred-Awake
Oh God! *raises flame shield*
*uses flame thrower at sdn*
Well not really offended. It's one of the most controversial songs by DT anyways. But to be frank, not very interesting first list. Good to see Wither in the list, though.
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Didn't expect Forsaken. It's not a bad song.
SC is really at least a decent album. It's not bad by any means
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SC has been in my top four before...
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Would you say it was...*puts on glasses*...Four-saken?
YEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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:lol
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Scarred would be in my top 10. Upon saying this, I will refrain from posting in this thread until a list is complied by a user who agrees with this view :smiley:
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Scarred would be in my top 10. Upon saying this, I will refrain from posting in this thread until a list is complied by a user who agrees with this view :smiley:
I'm here for you.
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Scarred would be in my top 10. Upon saying this, I will refrain from posting in this thread until a list is complied by a user who agrees with this view :smiley:
I'm here for you.
Scarred is in my top 5.
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"Scarred" is in my top 1.
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"Scarred" is in my top 1.
I had no idea.
It's in my top 10 or so.
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When you're done with you list I'll make mine! :D
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Scarred would be in my top 10. Upon saying this, I will refrain from posting in this thread until a list is complied by a user who agrees with this view :smiley:
I'm here for you.
Scarred is in my top 5.
Same here.
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"Scarred" is in my top 1.
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Just remember guys, I at least included "Scarred" on my list, unlike a certain other top 50 DT list-maker! Now lets continue: its soft ballad day today (with one exception).
45. Hollow Years-Falling Into Infinity
The Budokan version is incredible, I'll admit, but since we're looking at studio versions of songs, that version won't be mentioned. And yet, this song still gets a place on the list. DT are great at writing huge progressive epics (that aren't named "In the Presence of Enemies"), but a quality that lots of people seem to overlook is their skill at composing short pop/rock songs. "Hollow Years" is a great example.
44. Repentance-Systematic Chaos
The best track on SC and the one with the most staying power, in my opinion. I love the voices that the band brought in, the eerie, Opeth-style intro and outro, and of course, John Petrucci's godly solo. It gets even better when you listen to all of the AA suite front-to-back.
43. The Silent Man-Awake
A nice, acoustic simple pop song after the heavy grandeur of "Voices," its an absolutely essential part of the "Mind Beside Itself" suite that I find it a criminal offense that DT don't play it after the first two parts of the suite anymore. I also consider it to be the predecessor to "These Walls" lyrically, which means this song, for me, was pretty relateable, since I was (and still mostly am) fairly quiet out in public.
42. One Last Time-Scenes From a Memory
This used to be my favorite song on SFAM. Seriously. Jordan's piano and James' voice with the unmistakable refrain at the beginning that you first hear on "Overture 1928" make for a killer combination. These little tracks that you love as much as the clear centerpieces are the reason I love great concept albums.
41. Ytse Jam-When Day and Dream Unite
Commonly referred to as DT's "answer" to Rush's "YYZ," the intro and main theme are one of the most recognizable to any DT fan. I'm actually surprised they don't play it live as much anymore. With their tendency to improvise in songs like "Hollow Years" and "Metropolis," it sounds like this tune would be great for them now.
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Yeah I like repentance, but it's only Forsaken and Constant motion that's worse than that song on SC IMO!
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44. Repentance-Systematic Chaos
The best track on SC and the one with the most staying power, in my opinion. I love the voices that the band brought in, the eerie, Tool-style intro and outro, and of course, John Petrucci's godly solo. It gets even better when you listen to all of the AA suite front-to-back.
Other than that, I agree with this list so far.
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How does Repentance sound like Tool at all?
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Yes! I knew I couldn't be the only one who thought Repentance was the best song on the album.
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Yes! I knew I couldn't be the only one who thought Repentance was the best song on the album.
I agree. The only song with genuine emotion in it.
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How does Repentance sound like Tool at all?
It sounds very like 46&2 and slightly reminiscent of Right In Two and some other Tool tracks.
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bwuh? Are you sure you're not thinking of "Home?" I don't know how anyone would draw the comparison between those two songs...
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Nice to see Repentance there. I agree it is my favourite off SC, however for me it ranks top 20. And imo its JP's best solo.
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bwuh? Are you sure you're not thinking of "Home?" I don't know how anyone would draw the comparison between those two songs...
Home is a slightly more blatant ripoff, but it has a very reminiscent feel to that of 46&2, imo at least. Maybe it's because I'm a Tool fanboy I claim to hear them in everything. :-\
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Skydive...
Forsaken? Really? You're better than that!
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Its a good song! I can't help it!
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It's one of the few DT songs I think could be classified as stupid. I don't really hate it persay but I just don't see any point to it.
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I hate that such a great solo by JP is wasted in what is, to me, an otherwise boring song ("Forsaken").
But I agree with you, sky, that "Repentance" is the best song on SC, and I, too, am surprised at how "Ytse Jam" is never played anymore. Except for the bits in the Instrumedley and the WDADR show, has it even been played at all since Rudess joined the band?
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44. Repentance-Systematic Chaos
The best track on SC and the one with the most staying power, in my opinion. I love the voices that the band brought in, the eerie, Opeth-style intro and outro, and of course, John Petrucci's godly solo. It gets even better when you listen to all of the AA suite front-to-back.
Yes! I knew I couldn't be the only one who thought Repentance was the best song on the album.
Yay! Repentance Appreciation ftw! ;D :rollin
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Cool songs. While I don't really appreciate Hollow Years, but One Last Time used to be in my Top 5. The Silent Man is from Awake. I think I have to re-listen to Repentance though. Haven't given it a full listen yet.
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Repentance... :tup
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I, too, am surprised at how "Ytse Jam" is never played anymore. Except for the bits in the Instrumedley and the WDADR show, has it even been played at all since Rudess joined the band?
No. And it's tragic.
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40. The Great Debate-Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
This was actually one of the first Dream Theater songs I heard after my friend gave me SFAM and 8VM. It took a while to grow on me, but its a really cool track. When I was in high school, I thought it was ingenious how the samples and James' voice were split between the left and right speakers, even though now it seems like a bit of a gimmick. Oh well, its got a very groovy riff and one of the best transitions into an instrumental section.
39. Disappear-Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
I consider this to be DT's most introspective song. Its quiet, never follows a power ballad formula, and has this really eerie feeling with JR's keyboard work in the background. The lyrics are some of the best James has written, its a shame that the last song he wrote was "Prophets of War," because this song proves he can do so much better. I think its ridiculous that Mike will only play this twice, I'm sure fans would have a nice lighter moment with it.
38. 6:00-Awake
*drumroll sounds* "SIX O CLOCK ONNA CHRISTMAS MORNIN'" Oh man, what an orgasmic intro. The song does a really good job of setting the tone for the rest of Awake, you've got Kevin Moore's very cool patches that almost sound like a guitar for his solo, James' throaty but still stratospheric vocals, and Mike is laying down a very rockin' groove. Its also great to wake up to on Christmas morning, just to be a nerd.
37. A Fortune in Lies-When Day and Dream Unite
Despite the variable quality of music of the rest of WDADU, this is a badass way to start it. If I had to pick my favorite part, it would the grand majestic intro into the fast-paced gallop right before the vocals start. If James was singing on WDADU, and it sounded like the Live at the Marquee version, this song would probably be much higher.
36. Innocence Faded-Awake
Someone's going to call WTF on this, I know it. Score was the third DT release I owned, which introduced me to Metropolis, 6DOIT, Raise the Knife, and this gem that no one seems to talk about unless its in relation to mishearing what James says. I'm still amazed that James could hit those notes in 2006 the way he could in 1994. I've made it no secret that if James wasn't such a great singer, I would not be listening to DT, or branching out into other music like, and this song was really key in making me see just HOW good he is.
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I was so into into 6:00 for ages. I had a £5 bet that my friend wouldnt text me the words SIX O CLOCK ONNA CHRISTMAS MORNIN at that time, and he did.
:-(
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I was so into into 6:00 for ages. I had a £5 bet that my friend wouldnt text me the words SIX O CLOCK ONNA CHRISTMAS MORNIN at that time, and he did.
:-(
:lol
That actually made me laugh out loud, that's brilliant!
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Innocence Faded for life! The best outro that DT has ever done(and one of the best solo by JP).
Also, good to see The Great Debate! Used to be a huge fan of it before. I'm just disappointed at the fact that Disappear is higher than Great Debate.
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Yes! I knew I couldn't be the only one who thought Repentance was the best song on the album.
o?
(That's my hook claw)
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Well done, all absolutely awesome songs. :metal
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Innocence Faded is fantastic, no shame there.
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Yeah, Innocence Faded is awesome. One of my favourites on Awake, and it's fantastic on Score.
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Edit: Never mind. I was just being more brain dead than usual.
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Alright, here's the update for today. I might miss tomorrow's update, but I'm sure your lives won't be impacted THAT much by it.
35. Another Day-Images & Words
Lookie, another power ballad on the list from DT! Of course, since it was the year 1992, James was on fire, so his vocals on this song are a big part of the reason its so high, especially in the "They took pictures of our dreams..." section. I also really like the alto sax, it gives it a pretty old 90s feel to it, but in this song it actually works incredibly well. Its also the only track from Images that actually sounds better on the remix included with GreateSt HIT, since you can actually hear more of the sax that was mixed out in the song.
34. Sacrificed Sons-Octavarium
Structurally, its kind of a typical DT song. It has a pretty cool JM bass break, the orchestra during the instrumental section and the ending, and one of DT's better instrumental jam sections compared with other recent output. I think the lines "Watch them preach I can't relate / If God's true love are acts of hate" is great and leads perfectly into the chorus, its one of my favorite moments on the Octavarium album.
33. Fatal Tragedy-Scenes From a Memory
John Myung's last lyrical contribution. Unfortunately, the lyrics are not the highlight of this song, but the way that it is an embodiment of everything DT is today. Its good. Listen to it.
32. Raise the Knife-Falling Into Infinity Demos
Its a shame this song didn't make it onto FII, but with two godly epics already on the album, I think another might have bogged it down with the more commercial approach of the album. This song features Derek firing on all cylinders (I sometimes wish he had stayed on for just one more album before Rudess joined) and some of Mike's best lyrics. He can write some great stuff, just as long as he stays away from the super-ballsy metal songs that aren't part of the AA suite.
31. As I Am-Train of Thought
There will be one more Train of Thought track on this list. Now you know exactly what track it is. Somewhat immature lyrics, but sometimes when you're pissed off at something you don't really notice it, and that's what this song is meant to do. Play it in the car, headbang, bask in Petrucci's great solo, smile pants. Kinda hilarious to hear James sing "fuck" though.
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Fatal Tragedy that low is a fatal tragedy.
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Another Day wouldn't make my top fifty :-\
Nice to see some Sacrificed Sons appreciation though. Not sure why a lot of people don't like it
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As I Am is higher than FT? >:(
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I completely forgot the possibility of some FII demo songs to appear in the list. As a matter of fact, Raise the knife and Cover my eyes would certainly make my top 50. :)
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Fatal Tragedy that low is a fatal tragedy.
YOUR BIRTH WAS A FATAL TRAGEDY :neverusethis:
Yeah, I think when I first made this list FT was a bit higher, but when I was looking back over it for this thread, some things changed, so these top 50 threads are always kinda in motion. Dare I say...constant motion?
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:neverusethis:
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As I Am and Raise the Knife ranked better than Fatal Tragedy?!?!? What is this nonsense!
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I'm wondering where exactly ITNOG will be now.
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Hopefully nowhere.
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Indeed. It would be a nice surprise if the remaining ToT song was Vacant! Although I wouldn't put it this high now.
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As I Am and Raise the Knife ranked better than Fatal Tragedy?!?!? What is this nonsense!
I dunno.. Raise The Knife is a really legit track
As I Am on the other hand :P
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I would also rank Fatal Tragedy higher, but Raise the Knife is awesome. As I Am is still pretty good, too.
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Hey guys, don't expect an update (I know you're constantly glued to this list. Go outside or something!) for the next few days, my grandmother just got diagnosed with cancer of the pancreas and liver and doesn't have much time left, so I'm going to CT in about 30 minutes. Thanks for reading!
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Really sorry to hear that. Best wishes for you and your family.
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Sorry to hear that :(
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Sorry to hear that, SDN.
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Yeah dude, that sucks. :(
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Sorry to hear that, too, man. :(
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I'm sorry to hear that :(.
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I'm truly sorry to hear that, my condolences <3
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Sorry to hear it, SDN.
When you get this: As I Am is a great song, and I'm glad you mentioned the solo. For me, that solo is a text book example of NOT wank. It's melodic, perfectly placed, impressive, and goes on for just the right amount of time. Wish DT did more of 'em like that.
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Sorry to hear that, SDN!
I, too, am surprised at how "Ytse Jam" is never played anymore. Except for the bits in the Instrumedley and the WDADR show, has it even been played at all since Rudess joined the band?
No. And it's tragic.
Yes it has.
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Sorry to hear that, SDN!
I, too, am surprised at how "Ytse Jam" is never played anymore. Except for the bits in the Instrumedley and the WDADR show, has it even been played at all since Rudess joined the band?
No. And it's tragic.
Yes it has.
No it hasn't.
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I love your guys arguments. Not it hasn't, yes it has, not it hasn't, yes it has, not it hasn't, YES IT HAS, *BAN*
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Sorry to hear that, SDN!
I, too, am surprised at how "Ytse Jam" is never played anymore. Except for the bits in the Instrumedley and the WDADR show, has it even been played at all since Rudess joined the band?
No. And it's tragic.
Yes it has.
No it hasn't.
No, it hasn't. I need to learn to read.
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I love that Monty Python sketch :lol. Thanks for the good wishes guys. As thanks, here's an update!
30. Peruvian Skies-Falling Into Infinity
One of the standout tracks from FII, I like how it starts off with a very eerie vibe, until the heavy bridge and a super-sustained note from James leads into an orgasmic Petrucci solo, and then changes direction to super-balls. I particularly like the bass breaks in this song as opposed to, say, the bass break in "Sacrificed Sons" because Myung's tone is a lot cleaner, he uses a lot of distortion and other weird effects on the later albums. I think one of the reasons I love FII is because the mix is so great, I don't think this song would be as high on the list without it.
29. The Root of All Evil-Octavarium
From the second DT album I ever owned, I remember drumming the "This Dying Soul" drum pattern on my desk/steering wheel/skulls of my enemies for weeks. I still do it occasionally. Looking at it after a few years, I love how after all the wank in ToT, Jordan sticks it to everyone who says he can't play a musical solo and plays one perfectly in this song. Its definitely one of his best.
28. Speak to Me-Falling Into Infinity Demos
I never understood why this song is never talked about much, but its usually in the final round of the survivor, so I guess I'm okay with that. Musically, the song reminds me of "I Walk Beside You," maybe because of that U2 vibe, but unlike IWBY, this song still sounds like pure Dream Theater. I really like how the song gets very spacey when you get to the chorus. Personally, it was a great song to listen to due to an ex- girlfriend of mine way back when. I always think of her when I hear this song.
27. To Live Forever
I'm sure I sound like a broken record by extolling James' virtues as a singer at every possible opportunity. But...DAMN he can sing! I like the extra verse version, it really adds a kind of finality to the song that I think would have been lacking without it. It's one of the most memorable lines in the DT catalog, in my opinion. The way it flows into the instrumental section, and all the subtleties in that section is just masterful songwriting. I don't think there's a reason this couldn't have been a hit back in 92/94.
26. Surrounded-Images & Words
In before "it sounds like Queen lol," since I've never heard that particular song. Regardless, like every track on Images and Words, its perfect. Kevin Moore put some great imagery into the lyrics, and James sings them with great passion. I can't believe he can still sing them like he could back in '92 (yet MP won't let him sing the second verse of "Take the Time" :(). The solo is shreddy, yes, but its great, and more importantly, memorable shred, something that DT has lacked sometimes in more recent songs. Its not out of place and fits perfectly with the whole song. Its not enough to write an album of epics because fans like epics, its more important to look back at the songwriting and what made those songs and albums so revered.
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Speak To Me is golden. Absolutely one of my favorite DT songs. Always good to see some recognition for it.
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Peruvian skies... :metal
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"Speak to Me" is great, but the demo version sounds rather lifeless. To me, it is all about the live version from 5 Years in a Livetime. I never think to put that song very high on my list of favorite DT songs, but I should. It is terrific.
And we can never talk about how amazing "Surrounded" is often enough. :hat
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And we can never talk about how amazing "Surrounded" is often enough. :hat
True that, one of their best songs.
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And we can never talk about how amazing "Surrounded" is often enough. :hat
True that, one of their best songs.
Agreed. Musical bliss! And the solo isn't really shreddy as much as it just has a ton of delay on it, right?
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And we can never talk about how amazing "Surrounded" is often enough. :hat
True that, one of their best songs.
Agreed. Musical bliss! And the solo isn't really shreddy as much as it just has a ton of delay on it, right?
Yup, it's a simple solo but it sounds fantastic in the song.
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Agreed. Musical bliss! And the solo isn't really shreddy as much as it just has a ton of delay on it, right?
Didn't know that. I'm somewhat of a guitar n00b.
*cue the "The More You Know" picture*
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Agreed. Musical bliss! And the solo isn't really shreddy as much as it just has a ton of delay on it, right?
Didn't know that. I'm somewhat of a guitar n00b.
*cue the "The Moore You Know" picture*
Say what?
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olololololol
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You're so right in saying that DT hasn't had much memorable shredding recently, that hook is great and while I probably prefer the CiM version for the rest of the song, it really misses that solo. Also what Queen song, I genuinely hadn't heard this comparison before? Anyway great list, I agree with most of it so far.
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I think the name of Queen song is something like "Mother Father," but that's a Journey song, so I'm not too sure.
25. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence-Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
DT's longest song ever. The entire song is great, and I have to disagree violently with anyone who criticizes the song for lacking flow or cohesion. I love how its set up like its own concept album, with main themes constantly making appearances thoughout. Plus, the grand, epic, orchestral sound of it all was one of the aspects of DT that attracted me to them so much in the first place. My favorite parts would be the epic ending, "Losing Time/Grand Finale," and the pianoy/rocking goodness of both "About to Crash" sections.
24. The Shattered Fortress-Black Clouds & Silver Linings
A perfect close to the 12 step suite. Once again I will disagree violently with anyone who criticizes this song for recycling a lot of material from the previous four songs. I think its brilliantly done, and the way all the pieces just naturally fall together to create this amazing meta-song is nothing short of mind-blowing. When I first listened to Black Clouds, the beginning of this song gave me goosebumps. It still does from time to time. Its one of my favorite DT songs to put on in the car too.
23. Erotomania-Awake
DT has this great collection of riffs and melodies from its early days that seem to be ingrained in every fan's mind. Ytsejam, Metropolis, Pull Me Under, New Milennium, and this song are all great examples. Those four opening chords are all anyone needs to hear before they launch into the rest of the song in their heads. This (along with pretty much every song from this point forward) show DT at their compositional best, and along with "The Silent Man" teaser, make it a fantastic journey without needing any super-literal lyrics to convey that feeling. Blob's live animation for this song, going through each album cover, captures it perfectly.
22. Under a Glass Moon-Images & Words
I love Images. That's no secret. I sleep with it at night when I'm lonely sometimes. This song serves a very key purpose in context of the whole album. See, every song from "Pull Me Under" to "Metropolis" has been mind-shaterringly awesome, but while any lesser band would put an okay ballad to let the audience settle down and find loose pieces of skull, they instead offer this rocking number, with soaring vocals and one of the best examples of the "guitar solo-keyboard solo-unison" instrumental section that DT is so fond of. Petrucci deserves most of that praise. Its one of his most memorable solos. I'd almost call it his best, but I feel this song has finally been dethroned by a song that you'll see later on the list.
21. Pull Me Under-Images & Words
The greatest hit itself! No one seems to talk about it, but I do remember a thread a year or two back where the question was asked if people liked it. I don't think I saw one negative comment there. There's a reason its their only hit: memorable intro, heavy riffage that puts any of the attempt at "balls" on Train of Thought and Systematic Chaos to shame, and a catchy chorus. Its a great song, and I'm not really sure how I can explain why any further. Its not really a song you can dissect why you enjoy it, you just do.
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21. Pull Me Under-Images & Words
The greatest hit itself! No one seems to talk about it, but I do remember a thread a year or two back where the question was asked if people liked it. I don't think I saw one negative comment there. There's a reason its their only hit: memorable intro, heavy riffage that puts any of the attempt at "balls" on Train of Thought and Systematic Chaos to shame, and a catchy chorus. Its a great song, and I'm not really sure how I can explain why any further. Its not really a song you can dissect why you enjoy it, you just do.
Thank you for this. I also feel like PMU doesn't receive any praise, mostly because of its radio status...it really is a fabulous song, so different sounding from other material around that time. It's a perfect introduction into Dream Theater, even nearly two decades later.
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So true, while most DT songs took a good few listens to enjoy properly PMU was love at first listen and still has some great moments.
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"Father to Son" is the Queen song that has a keyboard part eerily similar to the one in "Surrounded." In both cases, it starts off the song, but then the songs are completely different after that.
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Props for The Shattered Fortress, SDN. LOVE that song.
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And we can never talk about how amazing "Surrounded" is often enough. :hat
True that, one of their best songs.
Agreed. Musical bliss! And the solo isn't really shreddy as much as it just has a ton of delay on it, right?
Yup, it's a simple solo but it sounds fantastic in the song.
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Good to see The Shattered Fortress this high. Although it's a mixed bag of all the other 12 step songs, it's actually decent. I'd rate this higher than all the other 12 steps except Glass Prison, but it's pretty close.
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The Shattered fortress wouldn't even make my top 70... Props for Pull me under and Erotomania, though.
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Pull me under doesn't do anything for me, first time I heard it was on Live at Budokan, hehe, I started laughing when james went "Lost in teh skeaaaaAahay" Most boring song since WDADU
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Pull me under doesn't do anything for me, first time I heard it was on Live at Budokan, hehe, I started laughing when james went "Lost in teh skeaaaaAahay" Most boring song since WDADU
wot
Also, am I the only person who would put The Shattered Fortress in their bottom 10?
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Pull me under doesn't do anything for me, first time I heard it was on Live at Budokan, hehe, I started laughing when james went "Lost in teh skeaaaaAahay" Most boring song since WDADU
wot
Also, am I the only person who would put The Shattered Fortress in their bottom 10?
No you're not. Although the bit before the Glass Prison reprise at the end is good.
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Six Degrees is pretty low :-\
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Well, we're at a top 25 when all the songs are just being ranked by varying degrees of perfectness, so its not really "low," just the "least high."
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I don't agree with your exact order, but I'm agreeing with lots of your comments about the individual songs, especially that last batch.
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Well, we're at a top 25 when all the songs are just being ranked by varying degrees of perfectness, so its not really "low," just the "least high."
I guess that's true. Still, Six Degrees would be in my top five :P
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20. New Milennium-Falling Into Infinity
DT really seem to be in their element with eight-minute rock songs. As I mentioned earlier, the opening to this song is a classic DT melody, but my favorite part of this song is the bass. It's probably John Myung's greatest bass song from start to finish. Derek Sherinian also shines, as if he's trying to make a point that he fits in with DT for every doubting fan that first heard FII back in '97. I say he certainly proved himself, and I always wonder what if Scenes had been made with Derek instead of Jordan. I'm sure the results would have been just as awesome.
19. Finally Free-Scenes From a Memory
DT's only break from the "epic album ender" in their whole discography in that it ends on more of a subdued, dark note. Not just the plot twist at the end (if you don't know it by now what are you doing here?), but even the music fading out suggests something ominous. I can't imagine the song ending any other way, its great. It also features some of the most memorable, sing-alongable vocal melodies in the catalog, to the point where you don't care if you're singing Victoria's lines as loud as you can in the car.
18. Lifting Shadows off a Dream-Awake
James is a great singer yadda yadda yadda. A song from Awake that never gets talked about enough. Its not even a DT power ballad its just...something else. Kev's keyboards work wonders in this song, and the quality of sound textures in DT songs has only reached this level a few times since he left the band.
17. The Glass Prison-Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
Oh hello John Myung, that's a cool riff you're playing, kinda slow and quiet, how's this song going to turn out OH GOD SOMEONE JUST DROPPED A TWO TON WEIGHT ON MY TESTICLES. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that seems to be everyone's first reaction to "the Glass Prison." Heavy without trying to be someone else, MP vocals that don't rupture your eardrums, and shredtastic instrumental sections that stick in your mind. I'm not really sure how I should really feel about this song, because while its amazingly great, it is pretty much DT's inspiration for writing Train of Thought, one of their worst albums.
16. The Count of Tuscany-Black Clouds & Silver Linings
Hands down, of of the best written songs DT have ever written. The entire intro, from the guitar solo, to the harmonics, the grand, sweeping chords, is one of the great DT moments ever. The metal riffing that comes later is very good, and the instrumental section at the end of the first part of vocals sounds like JR "circus music," but fits perfectly and doesn't sound corny! Then there's the "Trial of Tears" section followed by the DT epic ending. So why isn't it top ten material? Those. Stupid. Fucking. Lyrics. We've heard enough about them, and lyrics usually don't bother me too much in a song, but I like good lyrics, and these could have been okay with some editing and realizations that singing "All the finest wines improve with age" sounds silly.
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FF should obviously be higher, while TGP should be lower.
:lol >_>
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Pull me under doesn't do anything for me, first time I heard it was on Live at Budokan, hehe, I started laughing when james went "Lost in teh skeaaaaAahay" Most boring song since WDADU
Why do all the people who vehemently defend the new stuff shit all over the classic material?
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best written songs DT have ever written.
As opposed to?
:neverusethis:
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Yeah, yeah, I kinda rushed through that one without proofreading. Congratulations.
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:biggrin:
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Pull me under doesn't do anything for me, first time I heard it was on Live at Budokan, hehe, I started laughing when james went "Lost in teh skeaaaaAahay" Most boring song since WDADU
This would only have been a valid criticism in 1992 upon listening to I&W for the first time, since at that exact point, while listening to track 1, PMU would have been the most boring DT song since WDADU.
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Pull me under doesn't do anything for me, first time I heard it was on Live at Budokan, hehe, I started laughing when james went "Lost in teh skeaaaaAahay" Most boring song since WDADU
This would only have been a valid criticism in 1992 upon listening to I&W for the first time, since at that exact point, while listening to track 1, PMU would have been the most boring DT song since WDADU.
:lol
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Pull me under doesn't do anything for me, first time I heard it was on Live at Budokan, hehe, I started laughing when james went "Lost in teh skeaaaaAahay" Most boring song since WDADU
This would only have been a valid criticism in 1992 upon listening to I&W for the first time, since at that exact point, while listening to track 1, PMU would have been the most boring DT song since WDADU.
No it wouldn't have been, because "Pull Me Under" kicks ass.
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OK, sorry to go off topic, but I gotta say that virtually every one of BRGM's posts is hilarious.
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OK, sorry to go off topic, but I gotta say that virtually every one of BRGM's posts is hilarious.
That is one way to put it. Every post reads like he snuck on to his mom's computer real quick while she was using the bathroom and had to finish his post before she found him using her computer and sent him to bed without dessert. :p I wish he would have answered hef's question about how old he is. :biggrin: :lol
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I've honestly been thinking it's someone from 5/8 looking to troll for fun in their spare time.
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Hahaha! x'D 1. I just don't like pull me under :S end of story
2. I am 16! :D
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OK, sorry to go off topic, but I gotta say that virtually every one of BRGM's posts is hilarious.
:rollin :rollin
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18. Lifting Shadows off a Dream-Awake
James is a great singer yadda yadda yadda. A song from Awake that never gets talked about enough. Its not even a DT power ballad its just...something else. Kev's keyboards work wonders in this song, and the quality of sound textures in DT songs has only reached this level a few times since he left the band.
YES. So true. This song really is something else IMO, it doesn't fit into a category. Brilliant piece and one of my favorites from Awake, I'm glad to see it so high!! Really enjoying this list so far.
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Although New Millennium is not my favorite, I'm really glad to see Lifting Shadows in the list. It's easily in my Top 10 and I consider it the best ballad DT has ever done.
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Great to see PMU so high :tup
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I've been loving New millenium recently, and only just realised how ridiculously high the harmony on "another traaaaaaaain" is.
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Just listened to New Millennium again for the first time in ages, and while it's great, the first thing that popped into my head is 'wow, Tool's Vicarious has a really, really similar intro.' Anyone else hear that?
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Although New Millennium is not my favorite, I'm really glad to see Lifting Shadows in the list. It's easily in my Top 10 and I consider it the best ballad DT has ever done.
Yup.
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Alright, thanks for being patient, here's a fun update. Going to start doing two a day after this, then slowing to one a day for the top five. Here goes!
15. A Change of Seasons-A Change of Seasons EP
The classic DT epic at a very respectable number fifteen. This song and I have an odd relationship. I know just how great it is, but I never really remember until I listen to it again and my eyeballs are falling out of their sockets. I find it hard to believe that the same guy who wrote "Burning My Soul" and "Constant Motion" also wrote the lyrics to this song. When Mike Portnoy writes about something close to home, he really hits it out of the park. The "carpe diem" theme throughout is a very relatable topic, while never trying to really force you to acknowledge it, everything just fits together perfectly. The music is great too, but you knew that, didn't you?
14. Voices-Awake
So...seeing this song live. How can I describe it? Orgasmic? Mindblowing? Religious? All of the above? Well, its a great piece of work. The second verse is one of James' best moments, he's doing any awesome wailing, but the growl in his voice and the high pitch is simply amazing. There are very few people who can really do that with their voice. Petrucci's lyrics are hands-down the best he's ever written. Apparently all he did was read medical journals and tried to convey what goes on in the mind of a schizophrenic in the song, but when you add some religious imagery, you get all sorts of deep ambiguous, if unintentional, meanings to the song. If you can find different meanings in the lyrics of the song and can somehow make it apply to you, without the artists intention, then the artist has accomplished something amazing. I wish Petrucci could do this more often nowadays.
13. Hell's Kitchen/Lines in the Sand-Falling Into Infinity
I know they're technically two songs but SHUT UP THIS IS MY LIST I DO WHAT I WANT. *ahem* So how happy are we that Kevin Shirley took "Hell's Kitchen" out of "Burning My Soul" to create an entire new song as a perfect preface to the first big epic of the album? Me, I'm super happy. Falling Into Infinity has a lot of great groove in it, and adding King's X vocalist Doug Pinnick to this song doesn't hurt at all. The main riff in particular can get stuck in my head for days, if a different band had written it, everyone might know it by now.
12. The Spirit Carries On-Scenes From a Memory
First, I cannot stress enough how personal this song is to me. Following the death of my grandfather in 2006 and my grandma just last week, its been one of the most helpful ways I've coped with the loss of loved ones. Is it the best song on the subject? Probably not, but it was there for me through tough times, and that's why its a huge sentimental favorite. Plus, it was a power ballad when no one was doing those things anymore (at least when I was just discovering the band), and the great reprise of "Regression" lyrics is one of DT's most powerful moments. I really, REALLY need to see this song live, as it seems like the sort of classic song to join the ranks of "Pull Me Under" and the next song...
11. Metropolis Pt. 1: The Miracle and the Sleeper-Images & Turds
THE definitive Dream Theater song. If anyone ever asks you what the band sounds like, play this. Arguably their most universally popular song (amongst the fanbase, anyway), its easy to see why: the instrumental section. There's wank, unbelievable amounts of it, in fact, but its tasteful wank, its wank that fits together with the wank surrounding it, its memorable wank, its wank that you can sing with, its an excuse for me to use "wank" with positive connotations as many times as I can in the same wanking sentence! Lyrically, what I said earlier about "Voices" doesn't quite ring true here. Anyone listening would have no idea that the song was about Rome, but I guess Yes fans have been saying that for forty years now, so I guess we can't complain too much about nonsense lyrics as long as they sound nice. *looks at UAGM*
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The main riff in particular [Lines In The Sand] can get stuck in my head for days, if a different band had written it, everyone might know it by now.
Didn't that riff come from Derek?
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No idea. All I know is that it RAWKS.
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No idea. All I know is that it RAWKS.
Re: LITS main riff. Looked it up: "The main riff came from something that Derek had written and we had started working on during some of the soundchecks on tour," revealed John Petrucci in an interview with Guitarist (Lifting Shadows, 2nd edition, p. 206).
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The main riff in particular [Lines In The Sand] can get stuck in my head for days, if a different band had written it, everyone might know it by now.
Didn't that riff come from Derek?
Yes. He was playing that as part of his keyboard solos even during the Awake tour.
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The main riff in particular [Lines In The Sand] can get stuck in my head for days, if a different band had written it, everyone might know it by now.
Didn't that riff come from Derek?
Yes. He was playing that as part of his keyboard solos even during the Awake tour.
Was this why Kevin didn't want to go on the Awake tur?
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The main riff in particular [Lines In The Sand] can get stuck in my head for days, if a different band had written it, everyone might know it by now.
Didn't that riff come from Derek?
Yes. He was playing that as part of his keyboard solos even during the Awake tour.
Was this why Kevin didn't want to go on the Awake tur?
What?
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The main riff in particular [Lines In The Sand] can get stuck in my head for days, if a different band had written it, everyone might know it by now.
Didn't that riff come from Derek?
Yes. He was playing that as part of his keyboard solos even during the Awake tour.
Was this why Kevin didn't want to go on the Awake tur?
What?
Sorry, when I read the words "Awake tour," all I could think about was that video about "the real reason KM left Dream Theater," where Petrucci pronounces tour "tur." So I had that vid on the mind and then thought what you said was also a funny reason for KM not wanting to go on the tour.
Ok - you go inside my head; then come back out and tell me it doesn't make sense.
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The main riff in particular [Lines In The Sand] can get stuck in my head for days, if a different band had written it, everyone might know it by now.
Didn't that riff come from Derek?
Yes. He was playing that as part of his keyboard solos even during the Awake tour.
Was this why Kevin didn't want to go on the Awake tur?
What?
Sorry, when I read the words "Awake tour," all I could think about was that video about "the real reason KM left Dream Theater," where Petrucci pronounces tour "tur." So I had that vid on the mind and then thought what you said was also a funny reason for KM not wanting to go on the tour.
Ok - you go inside my head; then come back out and tell me it doesn't make sense.
I thought the same thing, especially considering skydivingninja cited Metropolis as from "Images & Turds" in his list.
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The main riff in particular [Lines In The Sand] can get stuck in my head for days, if a different band had written it, everyone might know it by now.
Didn't that riff come from Derek?
Yes. He was playing that as part of his keyboard solos even during the Awake tour.
Was this why Kevin didn't want to go on the Awake tur?
What?
Sorry, when I read the words "Awake tour," all I could think about was that video about "the real reason KM left Dream Theater," where Petrucci pronounces tour "tur." So I had that vid on the mind and then thought what you said was also a funny reason for KM not wanting to go on the tour.
Ok - you go inside my head; then come back out and tell me it doesn't make sense.
I thought the same thing, especially considering skydivingninja cited Metropolis as from "Images & Turds" in his list.
Yes - that must have been the subconscious beginning of my, err... train of thought. :biggrin:
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The main riff in particular [Lines In The Sand] can get stuck in my head for days, if a different band had written it, everyone might know it by now.
Didn't that riff come from Derek?
Yes. He was playing that as part of his keyboard solos even during the Awake tour.
Was this why Kevin didn't want to go on the Awake tur?
What?
Sorry, when I read the words "Awake tour," all I could think about was that video about "the real reason KM left Dream Theater," where Petrucci pronounces tour "tur." So I had that vid on the mind and then thought what you said was also a funny reason for KM not wanting to go on the tour.
Ok - you go inside my head; then come back out and tell me it doesn't make sense.
I thought the same thing, especially considering skydivingninja cited Metropolis as from "Images & Turds" in his list.
Yes - that must have been the subconscious beginning of my, err... train of thought. :biggrin:
Yeah, we must've both been following the same stream of consciousness... ;)
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All five of those songs would be in my top 15, too. :tup :tup
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All five of those songs would be in my top 15, too. :tup :tup
Me too.
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11. Metropolis Pt. 1: The Miracle and the Sleeper-Images & Turds
THE definitive Dream Theater song. If anyone ever asks you what the band sounds like, play this. Arguably their most universally popular song (amongst the fanbase, anyway), its easy to see why: the instrumental section. There's wank, unbelievable amounts of it, in fact, but its tasteful wank, its wank that fits together with the wank surrounding it, its memorable wank, its wank that you can sing with, its an excuse for me to use "wank" with positive connotations as many times as I can in the same wanking sentence! Lyrically, what I said earlier about "Voices" doesn't quite ring true here. Anyone listening would have no idea that the song was about Rome, but I guess Yes fans have been saying that for forty years now, so I guess we can't complain too much about nonsense lyrics as long as they sound nice. *looks at UAGM*
Exactly the same place as i would put it :tup
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10. The Best of Times-Black Clouds & Silver Linings
Another very sentimental, but incredibly good song. Mike Portnoy's lyrics on BC&SL absolutely dominated Petrucci's to the point where, if they stayed at this level, I wouldn't mind if he took over Petrucci's role as main lyricist. The only place where this song falters is the line "thank you for my life," not because of the actual content, it just sounds awkward in context of the song. Even so, its an amazingly beautiful song. Jordan's piano, violin, and acoustic guitar gracefully introducing the Rush-like riff, then exploding into something that doesn't sound like anything Dream Theater or any other band have done, musically. Its a very old-prog sort of song, but doesn't fall into the common trappings of modern old-prog bands, this song sounds modern and truly unique, save the few seconds of Rush-ness. Its also Petrucci's best solo ever, shreddy but emotional and memorable. I can't wait to see it live!
9. These Walls-Octavarium
Another sentimental favorite from my second Dream Theater album. I'm not exactly the world's most social guy in person, it takes me a while to come out of my shell and really be myself around people, but once it happens, I'm great. Back in high school, when I discovered DT, this was one of the songs that really stuck with me throughout those four years. I'm not sure if it actually helped or not or if I just grew up, but either way I'm attached to this song.
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IIRC, Portnoy said they probably won't be playing The Best of Times live any time soon. Also, These Walls is one of my favorites without a doubt :tup
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Wow, I love These Walls as well, but that's pretty high.
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Serious confusion on these two selections.
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I would also not rate these songs as high as they are, although I like both of them.
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I am 16! :D
really? :sadpanda:
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These last two picks are very interesting. :tup
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Mike Portnoy's lyrics on BC&SL absolutely dominated Petrucci's to the point where, if they stayed at this level, I wouldn't mind if he took over Petrucci's role as main lyricist.
Strongly disagree because at this level you're talking about the lyrics just don't do it no matter who writes them.
Agree on These Walls though. I'm pumped they delivered on that song.
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Nice to see some appreciation for These Walls.
Damn good song.
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Nice to see some appreciation for These Walls.
Damn good song.
Agreed. One of DT's strongest recent efforts.
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Nice to see some appreciation for These Walls.
Damn good song.
Agreed. One of DT's strongest recent efforts.
Yeah, I tend to forget about These Walls but it's a really good song.
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Octavarium has some really strong songs on it (The Root of All Evil, These Walls and Octavarium). I know a lot of people complained about it at the time but I wish they would they would produce something like that again (maybe not Never Enough or The Answer Lies Within though...).
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Octavarium has some really strong songs on it (The Root of All Evil, These Walls and Octavarium). I know a lot of people complained about it at the time but I wish they would they would produce something like that again (maybe not Never Enough or The Answer Lies Within though...).
I like Never Enough :sadpanda:.
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Those last two are pretty oddball choices! These Walls is amazing though, it came on shuffle today and I was like, yes please.
Throughly enjoying this list :tup
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Octavarium has some really strong songs on it (The Root of All Evil, These Walls and Octavarium). I know a lot of people complained about it at the time but I wish they would they would produce something like that again (maybe not Never Enough or The Answer Lies Within though...).
I like Never Enough :sadpanda:.
Sorry but it's just not my cup of tea.
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Octavarium has some really strong songs on it (The Root of All Evil, These Walls and Octavarium). I know a lot of people complained about it at the time but I wish they would they would produce something like that again (maybe not Never Enough or The Answer Lies Within though...).
I really wish DT would go in that direction again as well. Perhaps explore even further into the melodic prog arena (not TALW, but more like the intro to 8vm, intro to ToT, or even something a little heavier like These Walls).
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Octavarium has some really strong songs on it (The Root of All Evil, These Walls and Octavarium). I know a lot of people complained about it at the time but I wish they would they would produce something like that again (maybe not Never Enough or The Answer Lies Within though...).
I like Never Enough :sadpanda:.
That's fine, lots of people do.
I don't, but that's OK.
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Octavarium has some really strong songs on it (The Root of All Evil, These Walls and Octavarium). I know a lot of people complained about it at the time but I wish they would they would produce something like that again (maybe not Never Enough or The Answer Lies Within though...).
I like Never Enough :sadpanda:.
Sorry but it's just not my cup of tea.
I like "Never Enough", and don't like tea. Do I lose?
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Octavarium has some really strong songs on it (The Root of All Evil, These Walls and Octavarium). I know a lot of people complained about it at the time but I wish they would they would produce something like that again (maybe not Never Enough or The Answer Lies Within though...).
I like Never Enough :sadpanda:.
Sorry but it's just not my cup of tea.
I like "Never Enough", and don't like tea. Do I lose?
As long as you don't dislike his specific cup of tea, then I think you're ok.
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I like both Tea and never enough, The amount of tea is never enough for me :biggrin:
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I like both Tea and never enough, The amount of tea is never enough for me :biggrin:
By capitalizing "tea," I am obligated to assume that you are referring to the King Diamond song, to which I give a :tup.
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wow, I am really behind. Sorry guys
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Why are you apologizing in THIS thread :lol
8. Overture 1928/Strange Deja Vu-Scenes From a Memory
Once again, technically two songs. Once again, my list, bitches. The first DT songs I ever heard (well, after "Regression" anyway) and they blew me away. 1928 is the perfect example of a rock opera overture. Recurring musical themes, sweeping orchestral sounds, just absolute brilliance condensed in three minutes. When I was first listening to the band, after hearing the eargasm of the overture, all I thought was "now we just need a great singer," and boom, James LaBrie descended from heaven as if to personally say "go my son, and rock."
7. Take the Time-Images & Words
Overall, this is probably my favorite James LaBrie song. Of course I can't sing along with 75% of it due to the range, but hey. In addition to James, every member is firing on all cylinders: Kev and JP get that badass unison, JM gets all the bass grooves, MP gets his awesome fills. Its also the perfect length at eight minutes, too short it would be missing something, too long it would have just dragged. Eight minute rock songs are absolutely perfect for DT, they're at their best when they're rocking out.
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Overture 1928 :heart
great choices
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Why are you apologizing in THIS thread :lol
You lapped me, basically.
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Train of Thought, one of their worst albums.
:umno:
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Why are you apologizing in THIS thread :lol
You lapped me, basically.
Are you apologizing to me then? I mean, I'm confused, but I accept. I'm sure you've learned your lesson and will act better about it in the future. :biggrin:
@Emindead: Um...yes. Its only above SC for me.
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Same here.
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Why are you apologizing in THIS thread :lol
You lapped me, basically.
Are you apologizing to me then? I mean, I'm confused, but I accept. I'm sure you've learned your lesson and will act better about it in the future. :biggrin:
Well, I kind of started my own as a renegade topic without considering you, so, you can say I'm apologizing to you. But I had good reason to slow down, so suck it up everyone! :P
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Um...yes. Its only above SC for me.
You like WDADU better?
(https://fc00.deviantart.net/fs49/f/2009/200/3/1/Aladdin_Genie_WTF_by_fatsfazoul.jpg)
(Without the caption)
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Read the last two choices and the video for Take the Time comes up on the Images and Words in Tokyo DVD.
Hooray for awesome timing. :tup
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"go my son, and rock."
Tenacious D? :metal
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Um...yes. Its only above SC for me.
You like WDADU better?
If we're talking about the strength of albums, A Fortune in Lies, Only a Matter of Time, Ytse Jam, The Killing Hand, and Afterlife beat the tar out of a mostly-crap album with As I Am, Vacant, and ITNOG.
Oh God I just spoiled one of the next songs on my list. Not that I didn't already strongly imply it in the "As I Am" description.
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If we're talking about the strength of albums, A Fortune in Lies, Only a Matter of Time, Ytse Jam, The Killing Hand, and Afterlife beat the tar out of a mostly-crap album with As I Am, Vacant, and ITNOG.
Oh God I just spoiled one of the next songs on my list. Not that I didn't already strongly imply it in the "As I Am" description.
I didn't pick up the "spoiler" until you said this part.
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Overture 1928 is really high, and it's not really displeasing. I didn't see that coming.
Take the Time is higher on my list, but still glad to see it in your top 10.
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Overture 1928 would most definitely not be up that high on my list. Take The Time was expected.
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Um...yes. Its only above SC for me.
You like WDADU better?
If we're talking about the strength of albums, A Fortune in Lies, Only a Matter of Time, Ytse Jam, The Killing Hand, and Afterlife beat the tar out of a mostly-crap album with As I Am, Vacant, and ITNOG.
Oh God I just spoiled one of the next songs on my list. Not that I didn't already strongly imply it in the "As I Am" description.
Saying that any of the songs you mentioned of WDADU are better than ITNOG is... lol.
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Um...yes. Its only above SC for me.
You like WDADU better?
If we're talking about the strength of albums, A Fortune in Lies, Only a Matter of Time, Ytse Jam, The Killing Hand, and Afterlife beat the tar out of a mostly-crap album with As I Am, Vacant, and ITNOG.
Oh God I just spoiled one of the next songs on my list. Not that I didn't already strongly imply it in the "As I Am" description.
Saying that any of the songs you mentioned of WDADU are better than ITNOG is... lol.
I think he was saying he liked more songs on WDADU than ToT.
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Um...yes. Its only above SC for me.
You like WDADU better?
If we're talking about the strength of albums, A Fortune in Lies, Only a Matter of Time, Ytse Jam, The Killing Hand, and Afterlife beat the tar out of a mostly-crap album with As I Am, Vacant, and ITNOG.
Oh God I just spoiled one of the next songs on my list. Not that I didn't already strongly imply it in the "As I Am" description.
Saying that any of the songs you mentioned of WDADU are better than ITNOG is... lol.
Most of them are. But I agree with moffatt, SDN was comparing WDADU and TOT.
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Yeah, I was comparing albums as a whole.
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Bumppity bump bump
6. In the Name of God-Train of Thought
Back when I made this list, it was above TTT for me. Now I think its below it, but that's the danger with these big 'ol lists. Its a very heavy song, no doubt about that, but my favorite bit is the eerie quiet part with bass and drums and very sparse JR accompaniment. The way James is screaming in the background after the quasi-electronic part is also pretty godly. At first, I wasn't too fond of the "Flight of the Bumblebee" style solo, but I've grown to love it (and JMX's bass beneath it). In fact, ToT and 8VM were the last albums to feature audible JMX throughout most of the album. What gives DT?
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At first, I wasn't too fond of the "Flight of the Bumblebee" style solo, but I've grown to love it (and JMX's bass beneath it).
This is actually the reason I'm not such a fan of ITNOG...the solo annoys the living hell out of me. The rest of the song is great, but I literally shut the song off every time the solo begins. Or at least fast forward to the reprise of the main theme.
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The ''Flight of the Bunblebee'' style solo is actually the strongest side of ITNOG, in my opinion. Awesome song. :metal
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At first, I wasn't too fond of the "Flight of the Bumblebee" style solo, but I've grown to love it (and JMX's bass beneath it).
This is actually the reason I'm not such a fan of ITNOG...the solo annoys the living hell out of me. The rest of the song is great, but I literally shut the song off every time the solo begins. Or at least fast forward to the reprise of the main theme.
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6. In the Name of God-Train of Thought
In fact, ToT and 8VM were the last albums to feature audible JMX throughout most of the album. What gives DT?
I'd like to know this too. I love that bass line he throws down starting @ 8:36 in INTOG -- more of those, please!
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At first, I wasn't too fond of the "Flight of the Bumblebee" style solo, but I've grown to love it (and JMX's bass beneath it).
This is actually the reason I'm not such a fan of ITNOG...the solo annoys the living hell out of me. The rest of the song is great, but I literally shut the song off every time the solo begins. Or at least fast forward to the reprise of the main theme.
I can't think of anything that sounds like "The flight of the bubmlebee" :S
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the really fast solo exchange
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umm....okay then :S
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umm....okay then :S
Basically anything from 8:37 - 9:37. It actually does sound similar.
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The ''Flight of the Bunblebee'' style solo is actually the strongest side of ITNOG, in my opinion. Awesome song. :metal
I agree.
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umm....okay then :S
Basically anything from 8:37 - 9:37. It actually does sound similar.
Yeah, it's pretty obvious what he was talking about.
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well, for me it does not sound like The Flight of the bumblebee
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5. Home-Scenes From a Memory
Overture 1928 got me into Dream Theater in a big way, and convinced my classic rock-snob self that there was modern music worth checking out. However, it was this song that did so much more for me in terms of musical discovery. Prior to this song, in my mind, metal was either like Metallica or Death. decent music, but awful awful vocals. Hair/glam 80s metal was an exception, because it really wasn't that heavy. Up to this point in the album, the band had stayed with a mostly classic rock vibe, and then this little number starts, atmospheric and eerie, with an Indian/Eastern flair until the built-up tension makes everything break, and then...
WOMP WOMP
To my fifteen-year-old self, this was the heaviest shit I had ever heard. And it was awesome. What really sold me again was James' vocals, which convinced me that there must be more awesome metal like this out there. I was half right. There is more awesome metal out there, but none of it is like "Home."
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nice! :D Home in top 5, Home is awesome!
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Yep, Home is an incredible track. :metal
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Disappointed. :\
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YOU are a dissapointment ^^
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We'd better watch out for this guy.
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A little higher than I would rank it, but definitely a great song! :tup
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I completely agree with that ranking. Great list so far!
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Good list so far bro, I've enjoyed following it.
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Props for placing These Walls so high on your list. Great song.
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Disappointed. :\
Dear Disappointed,
WOMP WOMP
Sincerly,
Abbey
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:rollin
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Disappointed. :\
Dear Disappointed,
WOMP WOMP
Sincerly,
Abbey
:lol
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Good list so far bro, I've enjoyed following it.
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Wait, I thought you got perma-banned. Either way, glad to have you back.
Otherwise, good list.
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Disappointed. :\
Dear Disappointed,
WOMP WOMP
Sincerly,
Abbey
Hahaha
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Want number 4 :caffeine:
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Okay.
4. Blind Faith-Six Inches of Inner Turbulence
I know this is a very "love it or hate it" song. Clearly I'm in the "love it" category. As much as I love this song, I have mixed feelings towards it. First, Jordan Rudess really shines here, this is really his song. The keyboard solo is memorable and fitting, the unison is godlike, and that piano interlude is orgasmic. James isn't doing anything spectacular vocally, but his lyrics are the best he's written for the band so far. However, this song is somewhat responsible for most 8+ minute Dream Theater songs, kind of like how "The Glass Prison" was the inspiration for most of Train of Thought, "Blind Faith" seems to be responsible for the structure of many new Dream Theater songs that go like this: Longish intro-verse-2nd verse-chorus-verse-bridge-guitar solo/keyboard solo-keyboard/guitar solo-unison-chorus again. I'm not sure what it is about these newer ones, but they lack the life of songs like "Take the Time" and "Blind Faith." But that doesn't matter too much. What does matter is that this song is amazingly awesome, and a very good representation of modern DT.
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VERY interesting choice, I was not expecting that at all! I do not agree with you, but I can certainly respect that choice as it does tend to be very love it or hate it...also the rest of your list is fantastic, so I can accept a personal favorite or two higher up :P
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I just *don't* get the worship of this song. It's good and all, but cheesesticks every day. And men (sorry).
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Great song, though it wouldn't be that high up for me.
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Eh. Fine one, but wouldn't make my top 50...
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Blind Faith is easily a top 10 DT song for me. Great musicianship, and it flows so well. 10 minutes of pure awesomeness.
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Best song in disc one of Six Degrees. You just gained back my respect with that choice. I personally won't put it this high, but this is certainly an interesting choice and I fully respect your choice.
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One of the few songs where listening to JR doesn't make me wish the keyboard work was back to KM era style. Fantastic song, great pick.
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Blind Faith is amazing, definitely a Top-10 caliber song. Excellent choice.
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Blind Faith is amazing, definitely a Top-10 caliber song. Excellent choice.
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Haha "6 Inches"? x'D
Anyway, Love that song, was my fav once, but it sitll gives me chills everytime I listen to it.
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Eh. Fine one, but wouldn't make my top 50...
Exactly. And something about that chorus annoys the hell out of me.
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Eh. Fine one, but wouldn't make my top 50...
Exactly. And something about that chorus annoys the hell out of me.
I have the same problem. I actually really like the rest of the song, but just something about the chorus bugs me...could be the disjointed transition between the verses/chorus every single time, but it's not like that's uncommon in DT's music. Not sure why I'm not a fan of it.
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I've heard that mentioned about this song before, but I just don't get it.
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but men..
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I want to know the next song!
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3. Octavarium-Octavarium
This song was pretty instrumental in solidfying my status as a DT fan. I loved the nuggets. I can see pretty clearly now that they're very gimmicky, but they worked, dammit! I can still recite the lyrics to "Full Circle" on command. I like how musically, it starts off fairly calm, very Floyd-like, but then once "Medicate" finishes it turns into a retro-prog fest, but here's the kicker: it doesn't sound like retro-prog the way Spock's Beard or Beardfish do. It sounds fresh, and modern, and I can't shove it into another band's sound. Jordan's playing is at its absolute best, the instrumental section between "Medicate" and "Full Circle" is probably the catchiest one since "Metropolis." Of course, the ending also signifies everything I love about the band, the buildup to the climax, followed by "Razor's Edge" and the big, majestic, epic ending, followed by MOAR NUGGETZ ZOMG. It is a quintessential Dream Theater song and should not be looked over by anyone.
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I would put it at the exact same spot. :tup
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Awesome choice. Though it's not that high on my list anymore, it's still deserving.
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My number 1, but a fair enough spot nonetheless. Is Learning To Live coming up I wonder?
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I would put it at the exact same spot. :tup
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Great spot for Octavarium
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The only negative thing I can say about Octavarium is that Petrucci doesn't really get to shine until the end.
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My number 1, but a fair enough spot nonetheless. Is Learning To Live coming up I wonder?
TRIAL OF FUCKING TEARS
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You just perfectly described why Octavarium is my favorite song of all time.
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My number 1, but a fair enough spot nonetheless. Is Learning To Live coming up I wonder?
TRIAL OF FUCKING TEARS
This. Hands down my favorite DT song
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Maybe I'm weird, but I never cares for Octavarium that much. I like listening to it, but won't go out of my way for it.
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Maybe I'm weird, but I never cares for Octavarium that much. I like listening to it, but won't go out of my way for it.
You're not alone.
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The only negative thing I can say about Octavarium is that Petrucci doesn't really get to shine until the end.
Eh? I think his understated playing is stellar throughout; he doesn't have to be soloing or playing a lead to be shining, ya know. ;) :biggrin:
As for the song, it would be borderline top 20 for me. I don't slobber over it like a lot of peeps do, but I still dig it like crazy. :coolio
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Maybe I'm weird, but I never cares for Octavarium that much. I like listening to it, but won't go out of my way for it.
You're not alone.
I wouldn't rank it very high, either.
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The only negative thing I can say about Octavarium is that Petrucci doesn't really get to shine until the end.
Eh? I think his understated playing is stellar throughout; he doesn't have to be soloing or playing a lead to be shining, ya know. ;) :biggrin:
Words of wisdom right here. People seem to keep forgetting that while JP is an amazing soloist, he's also a very good rhythms guitarist.
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I would put it at the exact same spot. :tup
8-5=3.
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The only negative thing I can say about Octavarium is that Petrucci doesn't really get to shine until the end.
Eh? I think his understated playing is stellar throughout; he doesn't have to be soloing or playing a lead to be shining, ya know. ;) :biggrin:
Words of wisdom right here. People seem to keep forgetting that while JP is an amazing soloist, he's also a very good rhythms guitarist.
His 12 string work in Someone Like Him is also actually technically pretty impressive too, it just doesn't sound like it is.
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Nice to see it so high, would be my number one.
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8-5=3
Whoa, you nailed it! However, I must ruin your theory, since I realized I would put Octavarium at 4th place, actually. :-\ :tup
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So close to number one now...
2. Learning to Live-Images and Words
By now I don't think I have to mention the James LaBrie famous F# special, though I guess I just did. So what? Fuck off. It starts off with the 80s synths that will deceive you at first into thinking this song might be...bad, even though the melody is just fine, but despite the initially somewhat dated sound, the sound meanders through so many different sounds and moods. You have the semi-ominous bassline as the vocals begin, the triumphant sort of intro, the flamenco bit, the climatic solo, and so on and so on. Petrucci's solo is one of his best, behind "The Best of Times," "Under a Glass Moon," and "A Certain Song That Shant Be Named Yet" for me. These are also John Myung's best lyrics, you can actually get some kind of relatable meaning out of them, whether or not you knew the song was meant to be about AIDS, whereas I still don't really know what "Lifting Shadows Off a Dream" is about. Its absolutely brilliant, and I wish DT would return to the lighter, but still rockin', side of modern prog a bit more than they do now.
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LTL is my personal favorite. :tup
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:tup LTL is amazing.
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can we get a list of the 49 so far?
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can we get a list of the 49 so far?
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50: Forsaken
49: Wither
48: Misunderstood
47: Only a Matter of Time
46: Scarred
45: Hollow Years
44: Repentance
43: The Silent Man
42: One Last Time
41: Ytse Jam
40: The Great Debate
39: Disappear
38: 6:00
37: A Fortune in Lies
36: Innocence Faded
35: Another Day
34: Sacrificed Sons
33: Fatal Tragedy
32: Raise the Knife
31: As I Am
30: Peruvian Skies
29: The Root of All Evil
28: Speak to me
27: To Live Forever
26: Surrounded
25: Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
24: The Shattered Fortress
23: Erotomania
22: Under a Glass Moon
21: Pull Me Under
20: New Millennium
19: Finaly Free
18: Lifting Shadows off a Dream
17: The Glass Prison
16: The Count of Tuscany
15: A Change of Seasons
14: Voices
13: Hell's Kitchen/Lines in the Sand
12: The Spirit Carries On
11: Metropolis
10: The Best of Times
9: These Walls
8: Overture 1928
7: Take the Time
6: In the Name of God
5: WOMP WOMP
4: Blind Faith
3: Octavarium
2: Learning to Live
1: ?????????
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My number 1, but a fair enough spot nonetheless. Is Learning To Live coming up I wonder?
TRIAL OF FUCKING TEARS
This. Hands down my favorite DT song
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Yup, I'm gonna go with "Trial of Tears" as the number 1 song, as much as I disagree. ;)
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2. Learning to Live-Images and Words
These are also John Myung's best lyrics, you can actually get some kind of relatable meaning out of them, whether or not you knew the song was meant to be about AIDS
He may have said it on an interview, but there's no evidence whatsoever in the lyrics that this song is about AIDS.
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Huh?
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Nice to see LTL in your top3! :tup
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2. Learning to Live-Images and Words
These are also John Myung's best lyrics, you can actually get some kind of relatable meaning out of them, whether or not you knew the song was meant to be about AIDS
He may have said it on an interview, but there's no evidence whatsoever in the lyrics that this song is about AIDS.
... so? Are you implying that the lyricist is wrong about what he wrote the song about?
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46: Scarred
43: The Silent Man
38: 6:00
36: Innocence Faded
35: Another Day
26: Surrounded
23: Erotomania
22: Under a Glass Moon
21: Pull Me Under
18: Lifting Shadows off a Dream
14: Voices
11: Metropolis
7: Take the Time
2: Learning to Live
1: ?????????
All of I&W except Wait For Sleep are present while most of Awake are missing. :sadpanda:
Yup, I'm gonna go with "Trial of Tears" as the number 1 song, as much as I disagree. ;)
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So close to number one now...
2. Learning to Live-Images and Words
By now I don't think I have to mention the James LaBrie famous F# special, though I guess I just did. So what? Fuck off. It starts off with the 80s synths that will deceive you at first into thinking this song might be...bad, even though the melody is just fine, but despite the initially somewhat dated sound, the sound meanders through so many different sounds and moods. You have the semi-ominous bassline as the vocals begin, the triumphant sort of intro, the flamenco bit, the climatic solo, and so on and so on. Petrucci's solo is one of his best, behind "The Best of Times," "Under a Glass Moon," and "A Certain Song That Shant Be Named Yet" for me. These are also John Myung's best lyrics, you can actually get some kind of relatable meaning out of them, whether or not you knew the song was meant to be about AIDS, whereas I still don't really know what "Lifting Shadows Off a Dream" is about. Its absolutely brilliant, and I wish DT would return to the lighter, but still rockin', side of modern prog a bit more than they do now.
Fantastic choice. This song is pretty much always in my Top 2. It's exact place rotates sometimes with ACOS.
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Yep, LtL is my number two as well. I agree with whoever said that ToT will be number 1, even though it's not in my top 10. :-\
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46: Scarred
43: The Silent Man
38: 6:00
36: Innocence Faded
35: Another Day
26: Surrounded
23: Erotomania
22: Under a Glass Moon
21: Pull Me Under
18: Lifting Shadows off a Dream
14: Voices
11: Metropolis
7: Take the Time
2: Learning to Live
1: ?????????
All of I&W except Wait For Sleep are present while most of Awake are missing. :sadpanda:
What do you mean "most"? There are 7 Awake songs on his list for crying out loud.
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All of I&W except Wait For Sleep are present while most of Awake are missing. :sadpanda:
Alrighty then. Thanks for acknowledging that for us. :sadpanda:
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What do you mean "most"? There are 7 Awake songs on his list for crying out loud.
And most of Images is on there because its their best album.
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Yeah whatever. Boredom creates such post.
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2. Learning to Live-Images and Words
These are also John Myung's best lyrics, you can actually get some kind of relatable meaning out of them, whether or not you knew the song was meant to be about AIDS
He may have said it on an interview, but there's no evidence whatsoever in the lyrics that this song is about AIDS.
... so? Are you implying that the lyricist is wrong about what he wrote the song about?
I'm saying that hadn't you've read the interview where he stated that this soing is about "AIDS", in a million years, YOU, the listener and reader, wouldn't have get that that was the message he was trying to put across.
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2. Learning to Live-Images and Words
These are also John Myung's best lyrics, you can actually get some kind of relatable meaning out of them, whether or not you knew the song was meant to be about AIDS
He may have said it on an interview, but there's no evidence whatsoever in the lyrics that this song is about AIDS.
... so? Are you implying that the lyricist is wrong about what he wrote the song about?
I'm saying that hadn't you've read the interview where he stated that this soing is about "AIDS", in a million years, YOU, the listener and reader, wouldn't have get that that was the message he was trying to put across.
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Isn't this a bit of a moot point? There's nothing in the song that couldn't be applied to AIDS at all, and with a lot of songs the meaning isn't necessarily obvious without clarification from the lyricist.
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AIDS or no AIDS; Awesome song.
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2. Learning to Live-Images and Words
These are also John Myung's best lyrics, you can actually get some kind of relatable meaning out of them, whether or not you knew the song was meant to be about AIDS
He may have said it on an interview, but there's no evidence whatsoever in the lyrics that this song is about AIDS.
... so? Are you implying that the lyricist is wrong about what he wrote the song about?
I'm saying that hadn't you've read the interview where he stated that this soing is about "AIDS", in a million years, YOU, the listener and reader, wouldn't have get that that was the message he was trying to put across.
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Isn't this a bit of a moot point? There's nothing in the song that couldn't be applied to AIDS at all, and with a lot of songs the meaning isn't necessarily obvious without clarification from the lyricist.
Exactly, and there's nothing bad about it. Also, if a song is left open for several interpretations at first, it's perfectly fine; and more often than not, the lyricist doesn't really explain the meaning of the lyrics, but leaves it open. So what?
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Also, if a song is left open for several interpretations at first, it's perfectly fine; and more often than not, the lyricist doesn't really explain the meaning of the lyrics, but leaves it open. So what?
True. But there's always that little part of you that would want the lyrics to be explained, just out of pure curiosity and to see if your interpretation fits with the original meaning.
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Also, if a song is left open for several interpretations at first, it's perfectly fine; and more often than not, the lyricist doesn't really explain the meaning of the lyrics, but leaves it open. So what?
True. But there's always that little part of you that would want the lyrics to be explained, just out of pure curiosity and to see if your interpretation fits with the original meaning.
I think for DT that's a fair enough argument, but bands like Tool have real strength in that their lyrics are mysterious and spark discussions. With more abstract stuff like that I think it's right that they're not revealed.
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I've mentioned my favorite DT song on this board many times before, but here it is...
1. Trial of Tears-Falling Into Infinity
No words are needed to explain its greatness.
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How very anticlimactic.
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I'd prefer some words, though. A great song, but wouldn't even make my top 25...
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I'd prefer some words, though. A great song, but wouldn't even make my top 25...
How very anticlimactic.
Both of these
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Good choice. I disagree with Octavarium's placement though.
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I like TOT but i don't think its #1 material. Still, its all opinions.
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'TO :'(' (since TOT is Train of Thought) is an awesome song. Great list!!!
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A very worthy number 1! Well-done. :tup :tup
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A very worthy number 1! Well-done. :tup :tup
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Anticlimactic indeed, though in a sense of no description. I like reading explanations because it brings light to songs I love (sometimes pointing something out I haven't thought of) and encourages me to give them a listen.
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I used to love this song of course, but it wasn't really lasting. I wouldn't mind it on someone's Top 1, though.
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Fantastic choice, worthy of # 1
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Trial of tears baby :hat