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Title: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: m0hawk on May 04, 2010, 02:31:13 AM
I don't hear anything to like in the song besides the end, which is a decent ending. Nothing else in the song catches my attention or makes me want to listen to it again. Could someone explain why it's so loved by fans and is an encore for DT's gigs?
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 04, 2010, 02:46:09 AM
I see it as a microcosm of DT.  Its got all the good shit.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Zantera on May 04, 2010, 03:32:31 AM
I've always loved the intro. :P
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Nihil-Morari on May 04, 2010, 06:05:53 AM
The middle of the instrumental section. Where the keys go up, and the guitar and bass go down chromatically. The split second of silence between that and the entirely new key, feel and meter, may be the best thing DT has ever done.
I always find it sad that they stretch that moment to 20 seconds live. It has so much power, to just ramble and ramble, take a tenth of a second break and then go on with totally new material.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Dark Master Of Sin on May 04, 2010, 06:07:51 AM
Are we listening to the same song?
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: wolfking on May 04, 2010, 06:20:01 AM
I don't hear anything to like in the song besides the end, which is a decent ending. Nothing else in the song catches my attention or makes me want to listen to it again. Could someone explain why it's so loved by fans and is an encore for DT's gigs?

Just listen to it over and over until your opinion changes and never speak of this again.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Marvellous G on May 04, 2010, 06:34:50 AM
I don't hear anything to like in the song besides the end, which is a decent ending. Nothing else in the song catches my attention or makes me want to listen to it again. Could someone explain why it's so loved by fans and is an encore for DT's gigs?

Just listen to it over and over until your opinion changes and never speak of this again.

While I sort of think that was sarcastic, this is actually what happened for me, seriously.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: lateralus88 on May 04, 2010, 06:38:23 AM
Are we listening to the same song?
Crucify?
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Dark Master Of Sin on May 04, 2010, 06:39:18 AM
Are we listening to the same song?
Crucify?
Always wondered why my copy of Images and Words had a bear instead of a little girl.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Dream Team on May 04, 2010, 07:04:14 AM
I don't hear anything to like in the song besides the end, which is a decent ending. Nothing else in the song catches my attention or makes me want to listen to it again. Could someone explain why it's so loved by fans and is an encore for DT's gigs?

 :facepalm:

Sorry, it's the only reply I could come up with that wouldn't take 15 minutes to type.   ;)
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: ZBomber on May 04, 2010, 07:35:11 AM
Everything.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Silver Tears on May 04, 2010, 07:36:52 AM
Everything.

Yes.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: LTE on May 04, 2010, 07:37:46 AM
It's the epitome of the best qualities of DT.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: KevShmev on May 04, 2010, 08:06:12 AM
Asking "What's NOT so good about Metropolis Part 1?" would have resulted in a lot less discussion.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Dublagent66 on May 04, 2010, 08:15:20 AM
How many times have you listened to it?  Just a couple times won't give you the chance to even begin to appreciate it.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Tick on May 04, 2010, 08:45:54 AM
It is an amazing arrangement from start to finish and a brilliantly written piece of work. Its no wonder DT is so proud of the song.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: AcidLameLTE on May 04, 2010, 08:51:43 AM
Everything.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Bertielee on May 04, 2010, 09:36:26 AM
To be honest, it's probably my all-time favorite by DT. I find everything gorgeous in it : the intro, the singing, the solos, the "reprise" after "before the leaves have fallen". It's the song that made me fall in love with DT.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 04, 2010, 09:41:50 AM
Everything that made DT stand out from everyone else is in Metropolis Pt. 1.  It is virtually the quintessential DT song.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Darkes7 on May 04, 2010, 09:52:41 AM
This thread is really the perfect example of what I&W and Metropolis (song) fanboyism looks like.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 04, 2010, 09:53:27 AM
This thread is really the perfect example of what I&W and Metropolis (song) fanboyism looks like.
Please don't start with that again.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 04, 2010, 09:55:20 AM
Everything that made DT stand out from everyone else is in Metropolis Pt. 1.  It is virtually the quintessential DT song.

True dat
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: orcus116 on May 04, 2010, 09:59:24 AM
Can't really add much. I guess it could be the quintessential song though I've personally never gotten any excitement out of it. Yeah all the elements are there but I get bored halfway through the song. If we're talking Images and Words songs I'd pick Learning To Live over Metropolis by miles. I guess I'm weird when it comes to songs like this because I prefer other Metallica songs to Master of Puppets, which is what I'd compare Metropolis to in terms of what most people think is their best song.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Darkes7 on May 04, 2010, 10:04:46 AM
This thread is really the perfect example of what I&W and Metropolis (song) fanboyism looks like.
Please don't start with that again.
You seriously don't see anything wrong if out of 18 posts, one is partially trying to give any explanation, and the others are "it's a quintessential song, give it a million more listens and YOU'LL SEE THE TRUTH"? Sorry, but this time I'm certain I'm not exaggerating at all.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Mebert78 on May 04, 2010, 10:07:59 AM
While "Metropolis" is amazing, I think it's my least favorite song on I&W.  The other songs are just so lovable and catchy that "Metropolis" with all its greatness is my least favorite.  That says alot about how awesome I&W is.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: orcus116 on May 04, 2010, 10:09:26 AM
Darkes, ok first off:

a) It's a thread about Metropolis, which happens to be a song off Images and Words. For you to come in and say "This thread is really the perfect example of what I&W and Metropolis (song) fanboyism looks like" is really, really stupid. Wow, we're talking about one thing directly related to the thread and one that is very indirectly related to the thread. No shit.

b) Stop exaggerating peoples comments. You do that in everyone single complaint you make. Stop it. Children do that.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Darkes7 on May 04, 2010, 10:12:23 AM
He's asking what's so great about this song. You haven't given him an answer other than "it's a quintessential DT song" (which is imo plain hilarious, but let's not make an off-topic). That's it.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: reneranucci on May 04, 2010, 10:23:06 AM
He's asking what's so great about this song. You haven't given him an answer other than "it's a quintessential DT song" (which is imo plain hilarious, but let's not make an off-topic). That's it.

Thatīs not true. Look at the replies:

I've always loved the intro. :P
The middle of the instrumental section. Where the keys go up, and the guitar and bass go down chromatically. The split second of silence between that and the entirely new key, feel and meter, may be the best thing DT has ever done.
I always find it sad that they stretch that moment to 20 seconds live. It has so much power, to just ramble and ramble, take a tenth of a second break and then go on with totally new material.
It is an amazing arrangement from start to finish and a brilliantly written piece of work. Its no wonder DT is so proud of the song.
Can't really add much. I guess it could be the quintessential song though I've personally never gotten any excitement out of it. Yeah all the elements are there but I get bored halfway through the song. If we're talking Images and Words songs I'd pick Learning To Live over Metropolis by miles. I guess I'm weird when it comes to songs like this because I prefer other Metallica songs to Master of Puppets, which is what I'd compare Metropolis to in terms of what most people think is their best song.
While "Metropolis" is amazing, I think it's my least favorite song on I&W.  The other songs are just so lovable and catchy that "Metropolis" with all its greatness is my least favorite.  That says alot about how awesome I&W is.

So thereīs actually discussion about the good and bad things about the song.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Nihil-Morari on May 04, 2010, 10:25:48 AM
I believe I gave an explanation too.

What do you want to hear though? A harmonic analysis? When people say they love the way the reprise brings back the intro, imo that's a good way of saying why you like a song.

Edit: What Reneranucci said.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: orcus116 on May 04, 2010, 10:28:01 AM
He's asking what's so great about this song. You haven't given him an answer other than "it's a quintessential DT song" (which is imo plain hilarious, but let's not make an off-topic). That's it.

I said I couldn't really add much to avoid repeating people. Besides what have you said aside from coming in to bitch? Why are you even in this thread?
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: reneranucci on May 04, 2010, 10:36:47 AM
I think the song is very "complete", I think thatīs why so many people consider it the quintessential DT song. It doesnīt lack anything from any perspective you want to look at it. First, it perfectly blends the elements of progressive rock and metal, so people from different backgrounds can enjoy it. Second, it has great vocal melodies, so it has an element of catchiness that is important. The mood of the song also adds to its value, itīs not either happy or sad, but it definitely brings some kind of emotion to the listener, maybe pure excitement ("I want to hear more!!!").

The instrumental parts are very well constructed: the crazy middle section stands by itself of course, but if you pay attention at other parts such as the intro, the brief transitions between verses and the finale, youīll notice that the ideas are developed in a very controlled way there, instead of going for crazy fireworks, the sections serve the purpose of building and releasing tension.

And of course if you appreciate playing skills, the guys are at the top of their game in this song. Itīs hard to imagine how any world-class player in the world could improve any of the parts that 4 young musicians put together.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: DeanTheater on May 04, 2010, 11:30:19 AM
I think the song is very "complete", I think thatīs why so many people consider it the quintessential DT song. It doesnīt lack anything from any perspective you want to look at it. First, it perfectly blends the elements of progressive rock and metal, so people from different backgrounds can enjoy it. Second, it has great vocal melodies, so it has an element of catchiness that is important. The mood of the song also adds to its value, itīs not either happy or sad, but it definitely brings some kind of emotion to the listener, maybe pure excitement ("I want to hear more!!!").

The instrumental parts are very well constructed: the crazy middle section stands by itself of course, but if you pay attention at other parts such as the intro, the brief transitions between verses and the finale, youīll notice that the ideas are developed in a very controlled way there, instead of going for crazy fireworks, the sections serve the purpose of building and releasing tension.

And of course if you appreciate playing skills, the guys are at the top of their game in this song. Itīs hard to imagine how any world-class player in the world could improve any of the parts that 4 young musicians put together.


Touche'   Well Said.  You expressed perfectly, what my thoughts are, and probably what many others here,  would feel about a wonderful trademark DT song.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 04, 2010, 12:04:10 PM
Due to pull me under being their only hit and metropolis being on images and words. More people have that album than any others. But metropolis is the start of their crazy instrumental sections with cool parts that weren't over the top unlike the newer one's with the same boring modern switch offs sounding like two guitarists.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: toro on May 04, 2010, 12:10:58 PM
Metropolis is Dream Theater.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Dublagent66 on May 04, 2010, 12:30:53 PM
I'm listening to this again since I haven't in a while and just the intro in itself is a great build up to the 1st verse.  The instrumental section is my favorite part.  Lots of complex jazzy arrangements that just make you ask, "how did these guys think this stuff up?"  Amazing song in epic proportions.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Nihil-Morari on May 04, 2010, 12:32:40 PM
Especially whenreading Rich Wilson's Lifting Shadows...

JP didn't even have his own guitar amp at that time, and Kevin Moore didn't know anything about chord voicings. Incredible to think of this stuff without that theoretical background
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Rafael Guerra on May 04, 2010, 02:09:44 PM
To tell the truth I donīt know whatīs special in it...But i know there is something special in it, something big! I love that song and all the live versions I have! (Escpecially the Score one)
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 04, 2010, 02:32:01 PM
^the score version is my favorite just cause of the bells at the last verse
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: setrataeso on May 04, 2010, 04:37:25 PM
Everything about it is amazing.
DT's best song
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Samsara on May 04, 2010, 04:43:20 PM
To be honest, while I like it, it started the trend of DT's songwriting pattern with the ridiculous instrumental in the middle that has nothing to do with the song.

Don't get me wrong, I like the song. But Metropolis was an oddity, a song that was sort of unique to me for awhile. And then starting with SFAM (not surprisingly, the sequel), those instrumentals that have nothing to do with the song started creeping in more and more.

I know there is a big slant of my fellow DT fans that LOVE that about DT, but I am not one of you (although I do see the appeal for a certain type of music listener). I think that takes away from the natural ebb and flow of the tune, rather than enhance it.

So while I still enjoy Metropolis, and rank it as a favorite, I can't listen to it now without going "this started it all," and being a little annoyed. It's a love-hate relationship with that tune now.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: pogoowner on May 04, 2010, 05:14:26 PM
To be honest, while I like it, it started the trend of DT's songwriting pattern with the ridiculous instrumental in the middle that has nothing to do with the song.

Don't get me wrong, I like the song. But Metropolis was an oddity, a song that was sort of unique to me for awhile. And then starting with SFAM (not surprisingly, the sequel), those instrumentals that have nothing to do with the song started creeping in more and more.

I know there is a big slant of my fellow DT fans that LOVE that about DT, but I am not one of you (although I do see the appeal for a certain type of music listener). I think that takes away from the natural ebb and flow of the tune, rather than enhance it.

So while I still enjoy Metropolis, and rank it as a favorite, I can't listen to it now without going "this started it all," and being a little annoyed. It's a love-hate relationship with that tune now.
I love Metropolis, but I agree with you 100%.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: LCArenas on May 04, 2010, 06:33:57 PM
Well, it's great. Incredible intro, incredible singing, incredible ending, and the harmony in the first part of the instrumental section it's admirable. However I still can't get into the 07:10-07:30 instrumental part. I'm trying to like it and I know it's just 20 seconds, but it's too... I dunno, I just can't get into it. However the rest of the song is incredibly great and epic. Not one of my favorite songs, but I understand why it's considered as one of the greatest and quintessential songs DT has ever made.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: chknptpie on May 04, 2010, 06:37:49 PM
To be honest, while I like it, it started the trend of DT's songwriting pattern with the ridiculous instrumental in the middle that has nothing to do with the song.

Don't get me wrong, I like the song. But Metropolis was an oddity, a song that was sort of unique to me for awhile. And then starting with SFAM (not surprisingly, the sequel), those instrumentals that have nothing to do with the song started creeping in more and more.

I know there is a big slant of my fellow DT fans that LOVE that about DT, but I am not one of you (although I do see the appeal for a certain type of music listener). I think that takes away from the natural ebb and flow of the tune, rather than enhance it.

So while I still enjoy Metropolis, and rank it as a favorite, I can't listen to it now without going "this started it all," and being a little annoyed. It's a love-hate relationship with that tune now.
I love Metropolis, but I agree with you 100%.

I love Metropolis, but I definitely agree that the instrumental does seem a bit out of place. But when listening to SFAM, they used that instrumental bit to compose a whole album. I don't think other songs really do it to the extent of this song, so I wouldn't say it "started it", but more of epitomizes it.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: m0hawk on May 04, 2010, 07:57:46 PM
Okay, after giving it a few more listens, I'm starting to see what people love about it. I still  maintain that DT have made far better songs, but I quite like the vocals in this song, and the final part of the song.

To those here who say that there's something "special" about it, I think I know why you'd say that. As it is played in so many gigs and so highly revered by the band itself, you'd naturally start to feel the same warmy fuzzy feelings of love toward that song. I completely understand - Citizen Erased by Muse is extremely similar. On first listen, it doesn't blow you away. As you watch more and more videos, however, you start to feel the love, heightening your listening experience. Then, when you "get" the song, it is fucking epic. So I can see where you guys are coming from.


Another question: which DT dvd should I get? I'm leaning towards Score, since it has a freaking orchestra, yet at the same time, I prefer latter DT to retro DT, so I could be getting Chaos in Motion. Which one did you like better?
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Jamesman42 on May 04, 2010, 08:14:17 PM
Get Score or Live in Budokan.

This song is the quintessential DT song, as hef said.

It is the perfect song: time length is just right, instrumental fits even when it shouldn't, melodies are beautiful, solos are memorable, the song gives a unique feel (it's hard to describe, but it feels like a song about a city and the someone's life, the music captures the lyrics well), and, while being something of an odd song in relation to the rest of the album, it works.

It's no wonder why almost all DT fans love this song.


Also, if you want a band that has based their entire style off of this one song, check out Spheric Universe Experience. :biggrin: :lol :lol
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: setrataeso on May 04, 2010, 09:45:13 PM
Get Score
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Global Laziness on May 04, 2010, 09:54:27 PM
I still  maintain that DT have made far better songs

So we can see where you're coming from, what are some of those songs, in your opinion?
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: kirbywelch92 on May 04, 2010, 10:00:03 PM
Citizen Erased by Muse is extremely similar. On first listen, it doesn't blow you away.

Quite the opposite, I needed new pants after hearing Citizen Erased for the first time.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: m0hawk on May 04, 2010, 10:38:58 PM
I still  maintain that DT have made far better songs

So we can see where you're coming from, what are some of those songs, in your opinion?

Sure. I much prefer the newer Dream Theater. It's got a much darker and grander sound.

Octavarium
Misunderstood
The Count of Tuscany
Ministry of Lost Souls
The Root of All Evil
Panic Attack
Losing Time/Grand Finale

Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on May 04, 2010, 10:42:03 PM
Can I assume you got into DT through Panic Attack?
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Global Laziness on May 04, 2010, 10:53:37 PM
Sure. I much prefer the newer Dream Theater. It's got a much darker and grander sound.

Could you elaborate on this "darker and grander sound" of which you speak?
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: skydivingninja on May 04, 2010, 11:10:00 PM
"Metropolis Pt. 1," as everyone has said, is pretty much THE Dream Theater song.  All of their best qualities are in it: memorable solo sections, epic ending, soaring vocals from James, Myung bass solo, Mike's cool intricate drumming, the intro (including the pretty simple but instantly recognizable riff.  You know the one), and the seamless transition from verse to big instrumental section, which seems to be overlooked a lot sometimes (I'm looking at you Scarred).  Its not my favorite song by DT, and I'm not even sure if it would be in my top ten, but it really is a great song. 

@m0hawk: Apparently the only thing separating "retro DT" from "latter DT" is one studio album?  Get Score.  James sounds fantastic, you get to hear "6DoiT," "Octavarium," "Sacrificed Sons," and "Metropolis" with an orchestra, not to mention "Under a Glass Moon," "Raise the Knife," and "The Spirit Carries On."
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Mladen on May 05, 2010, 12:09:56 AM
Where the keys go up, and the guitar and bass go down chromatically.
God, one of the best 5 seconds in the history of prog!  :metal

It's just a perfect song, nothing to dislike about it.  :)
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: m0hawk on May 05, 2010, 01:16:04 AM
Can I assume you got into DT through Panic Attack?

Lol, no. I was previously a huge Muse fan (don't kill me please i beg you please), and I heard that DT paid homage to Stockholm Syndrome and Hysteria in Never Enough. I heard the song, and my brain imploded. After picking up the remnants off the floor, I... welll, "acquired" the album  Octavarium. Which was all decent, until I heard the song Octavarium, which is the closest thing to perfection i've heard from a prog band. But Panic Attack is quite brilliant, yes.

This darker, more theatrical aspect is something that's a lot more common in their later albums. Take Nightmare to Remember, for example. That opening is wonderfully dark and quite satisfying. Sorry to upset some hardcore fans, but their early, more Retro stuff doesn't appeal to me as much. There's not as much atmostphere. Ministry of Lost Souls has so much, well, feeling that isn't as prevalent in the older material. That said, I love the organs in "The Mirror". Stuff like that is great!

Let the flaming begin. I'm going to watch The Untouchables. Ciao!
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: toro on May 05, 2010, 01:26:39 AM

 There's not as much atmostphere. Ministry of Lost Souls has so much, well, feeling that isn't as prevalent in the older material.

WAT

Trial of Tears would like a word with you.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 05, 2010, 04:49:14 AM

 There's not as much atmostphere. Ministry of Lost Souls has so much, well, feeling that isn't as prevalent in the older material.

WAT

Trial of Tears would like a word with you.
This, among others. 
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on May 05, 2010, 06:54:15 AM

 There's not as much atmostphere. Ministry of Lost Souls has so much, well, feeling that isn't as prevalent in the older material.

WAT

Trial of Tears would like a word with you.

So would Voices, Scarred, Lines in the Sand, and Learning to Live
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: skydivingninja on May 05, 2010, 07:02:51 AM

 There's not as much atmostphere. Ministry of Lost Souls has so much, well, feeling that isn't as prevalent in the older material.

WAT

Trial of Tears would like a word with you.

This.  Fucking this.  Ministry has a pretty cool atmosphere, but the reason I never listen to it anymore is that ear-raping misplaced instrumental section that kills it.  Songs like "Trial of Tears," "Voices," and "Learning to Live" maintain it the whole way through. 
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: OperantChamber on May 05, 2010, 01:28:28 PM
Can I assume you got into DT through Panic Attack?

 :'(
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Gadough on May 05, 2010, 02:36:21 PM
I see it as a microcosm of DT.  Its got all the good shit.

I learned a new word today!  :hat
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 06, 2010, 04:30:20 AM
Can I assume you got into DT through Panic Attack?

 :'(

It's a legitimate question.  A lot of people first hear DT through Panic Attack, since it was on that video game.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: The Clairvoyant on May 06, 2010, 04:46:50 AM
I like so much this song,metropolis pt.1 is one of my top-favourites songs,maybe the better according to me,but I like this song more during live concert than in the studio version,so like it played by jordan rudess.
But I don't understand I thing....I saw them during their show at gods of metal 2009 and they played the songs in its entirety...but they cut the song during other shows of this last tour....I don't understand why james doesn't sing the second strophe of the song and they replaced it with a keyboard solo. They did the same thing with take the time cutting part of the songs and with metropolis pt.1 cutting part of the song and the same happened with voices cutting part of the song. To be honest,I would know why,I don't like this situation....
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: AcidLameLTE on May 06, 2010, 04:59:10 AM
Epic.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Dream Team on May 06, 2010, 06:54:43 AM
In retrospect, the OP would have been better off asking "What's so great about sex?"   :D
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Chino on May 06, 2010, 07:25:40 AM
Nothing else in the song catches my attention or makes me want to listen to it again.

(https://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv178/thehumador/facepalm.png)
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 06, 2010, 07:30:24 AM
Regarding the question in hand raised by the OP: So enahjee!...Powah!
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Nihil-Morari on May 06, 2010, 07:31:10 AM
What's that? Engrish yellow?
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 06, 2010, 09:13:20 AM
Can't really add much. I guess it could be the quintessential song though I've personally never gotten any excitement out of it. Yeah all the elements are there but I get bored halfway through the song. If we're talking Images and Words songs I'd pick Learning To Live over Metropolis by miles.

This sums up my feelings exactly.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 06, 2010, 09:14:53 AM
I like so much this song,metropolis pt.1 is one of my top-favourites songs,maybe the better according to me,but I like this song more during live concert than in the studio version,so like it played by jordan rudess.
But I don't understand I thing....I saw them during their show at gods of metal 2009 and they played the songs in its entirety...but they cut the song during other shows of this last tour....I don't understand why james doesn't sing the second strophe of the song and they replaced it with a keyboard solo. They did the same thing with take the time cutting part of the songs and with metropolis pt.1 cutting part of the song and the same happened with voices cutting part of the song. To be honest,I would know why,I don't like this situation....

This man shouldn't be left with his words unnoticed. This must be discussed.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: AcidLameLTE on May 06, 2010, 09:15:40 AM
I already left my opinion.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 06, 2010, 09:17:06 AM
The Clairvoyant hath thpoken
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 06, 2010, 09:20:17 AM
I like so much this song,metropolis pt.1 is one of my top-favourites songs,maybe the better according to me,but I like this song more during live concert than in the studio version,so like it played by jordan rudess.
But I don't understand I thing....I saw them during their show at gods of metal 2009 and they played the songs in its entirety...but they cut the song during other shows of this last tour....I don't understand why james doesn't sing the second strophe of the song and they replaced it with a keyboard solo. They did the same thing with take the time cutting part of the songs and with metropolis pt.1 cutting part of the song and the same happened with voices cutting part of the song. To be honest,I would know why,I don't like this situation....
I've never known them to cut any of Metropolis unless they were segueing into another song or in a medley.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: skydivingninja on May 06, 2010, 09:21:06 AM
Yeah, James sings everything in Metropolis.  They add a zen riffer/JP duel in the instrumental section nowadays but it doesn't cut into any of James' time.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: orcus116 on May 06, 2010, 09:29:58 AM
They're still doing the Zen Riffer? Ugh.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Mladen on May 06, 2010, 09:34:53 AM
The Zen Riffer jam rules so much!  :metal
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Nihil-Morari on May 06, 2010, 10:16:54 AM
They're still doing the Zen Riffer? Ugh.

btw, I totally love the studio version, the pure in you face-nessness is awesome.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Plasmastrike on May 06, 2010, 02:05:27 PM
What's that? Engrish yellow?
:lol
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: OperantChamber on May 06, 2010, 07:06:01 PM
Can I assume you got into DT through Panic Attack?

 :'(

It's a legitimate question.  A lot of people first hear DT through Panic Attack, since it was on that video game.

Yeah I am one of those people. Seems like I'm not allowed into the cool guy group because I was introduced to the band that way.
 :-[
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: LCArenas on May 06, 2010, 07:37:03 PM
Can I assume you got into DT through Panic Attack?

 :'(

It's a legitimate question.  A lot of people first hear DT through Panic Attack, since it was on that video game.

Yeah I am one of those people. Seems like I'm not allowed into the cool guy group because I was introduced to the band that way.
 :-[

Same here. Well, and the next day I was on AOL Radio and Pull Me Under played. But the first song I met from them was Panic Attack :sadpanda:
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on May 06, 2010, 08:33:25 PM
Can I assume you got into DT through Panic Attack?

 :'(

It's a legitimate question.  A lot of people first hear DT through Panic Attack, since it was on that video game.

Yeah I am one of those people. Seems like I'm not allowed into the cool guy group because I was introduced to the band that way.
 :-[


I didn't say he wasn't cool. But his lack of love for any of the earlier stuff made me think he was introduced through the newer stuff, and Panic Attack, given the exposure it got because of Rock Band, seemed like his starting point
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: glaurung on May 06, 2010, 08:43:46 PM
Can't say much without repeating what's been posted already. It's one of my favorite DT songs for sure.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Nic35 on May 06, 2010, 08:54:24 PM
It's a good song, but they have done a lot better.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Dream Team on May 07, 2010, 07:16:29 AM
Can I assume you got into DT through Panic Attack?

 :'(

It's a legitimate question.  A lot of people first hear DT through Panic Attack, since it was on that video game.

Yeah I am one of those people. Seems like I'm not allowed into the cool guy group because I was introduced to the band that way.
 :-[


I didn't say he wasn't cool. But his lack of love for any of the earlier stuff made me think he was introduced through the newer stuff, and Panic Attack, given the exposure it got because of Rock Band, seemed like his starting point

I think it is a factor in how you view a band. Think about all the people that got into Metallica through The Unforgiven and Nothing Else Matters. I would bet my house that those types of fans have radically different views/opinions on the band than the ones who got into them at the beginning with Kill 'Em All.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Plasmastrike on May 07, 2010, 11:11:30 AM
Can I assume you got into DT through Panic Attack?

 :'(

It's a legitimate question.  A lot of people first hear DT through Panic Attack, since it was on that video game.

Yeah I am one of those people. Seems like I'm not allowed into the cool guy group because I was introduced to the band that way.
 :-[


I didn't say he wasn't cool. But his lack of love for any of the earlier stuff made me think he was introduced through the newer stuff, and Panic Attack, given the exposure it got because of Rock Band, seemed like his starting point

I think it is a factor in how you view a band. Think about all the people that got into Metallica through The Unforgiven and Nothing Else Matters. I would bet my house that those types of fans have radically different views/opinions on the band than the ones who got into them at the beginning with Kill 'Em All.

I got into the band through Train Of Thought/The Glass Prison and I think I&W/Awake are bar none the best.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Darkes7 on May 07, 2010, 03:58:13 PM
I think it is a factor in how you view a band. Think about all the people that got into Metallica through The Unforgiven and Nothing Else Matters. I would bet my house that those types of fans have radically different views/opinions on the band than the ones who got into them at the beginning with Kill 'Em All.
Other than the possible sentimental factor (but really, this could also apply to an album released 20 years earlier, just like I have a sentiment for Iron Maiden "Piece of Mind" which is definitely older than I am), I disagree. It all basically goes down to someone's taste and their appreciation for non-modern sound/production. I've come across people who got into DT through Systematic Chaos and now worship I&W for example, and myself I approached DT as a heavy metal fan, starting from Octavarium where The Root of All Evil and Panic Attack were without doubt my favourite songs at first, and over time I've also grown to love the calmest DT songs and I'm one of the very few people I know who love Repentance for example. There's no rule for this, really, it's just a matter of someone's taste.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Scar on June 04, 2016, 08:26:14 PM
I ranked this song a 5.5 because I wasn't open minded and I wasn't truly willing to enjoy this song, but after watching live versions of it, I have grown to fall in love with it, as with all Dream Theater songs. This song is very beautiful. Nine minutes, and most of it is the instrumental section.

I find the verses to be truly beautiful in every way, naming all three dances. I really love how all the instruments got a solo for this song and that ending though!

Seriously, it is a beautifully composed song.  :tup
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Zook on June 06, 2016, 09:20:17 AM
1. Surrounded
2. Metropolis
3. The Glass Prison
4. Scarred
5. Beyond This Life

To answer the question: EVERYTHING.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Dublagent66 on June 07, 2016, 03:51:07 PM
What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?  That's a really long list of stuff.  The much shorter version would be "what isn't good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: jakepriest on June 07, 2016, 07:13:48 PM
What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?  That's a really long list of stuff.  The much shorter version would be "what isn't good about Metropolis Pt. 1?

As much as I think the unison is cool, the whole chaotic run-up before the final part of the song doesn't really fit and feels kinda just pasted in to me. I still love the song, this thing is probably the only factor that puts the song bellow LTL-level for me.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: fischermasamune on June 07, 2016, 09:24:30 PM
As much as I think the unison is cool, the whole chaotic run-up before the final part of the song doesn't really fit and feels kinda just pasted in to me. I still love the song, this thing is probably the only factor that puts the song bellow LTL-level for me.

The best part of the song!
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Dublagent66 on June 08, 2016, 03:36:28 PM
What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?  That's a really long list of stuff.  The much shorter version would be "what isn't good about Metropolis Pt. 1?

As much as I think the unison is cool, the whole chaotic run-up before the final part of the song doesn't really fit and feels kinda just pasted in to me. I still love the song, this thing is probably the only factor that puts the song bellow LTL-level for me.

I like LTL more also just because it has aged much better than Metro, at least for me it has.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: Progmetty on June 08, 2016, 03:49:05 PM
dang I started at the beginning of the thread so I thought lateralus88 was back, I miss the mofo!
Also Metropolis is divine, that's what's good about it.

Metropolis is Dream Theater.

Spot on.
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: KevShmev on June 08, 2016, 07:06:02 PM
I will keep this short, simple and on point:

Metropolis and Learning to Live are both f'ing awesome.

'Nuff said. :hat
Title: Re: What's so good about Metropolis Pt. 1?
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 09, 2016, 08:18:44 AM
I will keep this short, simple and on point:

Metropolis and Learning to Live are both f'ing awesome.

'Nuff said. :hat
:metal

Both are in my Top 3.