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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: KevShmev on May 03, 2010, 10:51:11 PM
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I thought this would be an interesting topic, but let's try to to do it without going crazy with the criticism. It is natural for even your favorite bands to disappoint you at one time or another, but it is the best ones that rarely do it, which is why they are probably our favorites, right? ;)
And to explain the "IN REAL TIME" things, means it has to be something that disappointed you at the time it actually happened, whether it be a studio album, a concert, an incident, etc. In other words, it can't be a "I got into so-and-so band, and when I listened to all of their albums from 20 years ago, the one I heard was really good wasn't, so it was disappointing to me," or anything like that. Make sense?
Okay, I'll take a shot at this by starting off with a few:
Porcupine Tree - The remaster of Up the Downstair. I was so looking forward to this, but it was a major letdown. The timing of the disappointment was ironic, too, as I had just seen PT for the first time in Chicago back in '05, and when I got home the next day, the remaster had came in the mail, so I busted it right out and listened to it, only to be very disappointed. It has never really grown on me at all, and I always listen to the original version, when I listen to that CD.
Queensrÿche - They were one of my favorites back in the mid to late 90s (although they were only 27 in the recent favorite artists thread I did), thanks in large part to the awesomeness of Promised Land. Sadly, they followed that up with the major thud otherwise known as Hear in the Now Frontier. I tried like hell to like that CD, and even went through spells where I listened to it quite a bit, but I eventually had to accept that it just wasn't any good, outside of a few songs, making it one of the biggest disappointments in real time for me to date. My expectations for them went way down after that, which is why everything else new I have heard by them didn't register as as big a disappointment.
Dave Matthews Band - Everyday. I cannot put into words what a disappointment it was to follow up the masterpiece that was Before These Crowded Streets with something as pitiful as Everyday.
Spock's Beard/Neal Morse - Neal leaving the band in 2002. I remember the utter shock and dismay of the entire membership at SB's forum (which was pretty kicking back then) when it became official that Neal had left the band. Regardless of the reasons why he left, and whether anyone agreed with or understood them, it was still extremely disappointing to see the creative driving force of the band depart just when they had hit their stride.
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Systematic Chaos. I was just getting into DT, had all of their discography when it came out. Liked it at first, but slowly grew to become my least favorite. I was very bummed that I might have really gotten into a band that was at the end of their creative life. Good thing BC&SL proved me wrong.
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Porcupine Tree - The remaster of Up the Downstair.
The only pre IA albums I have are the remasters. I was under the impression that it was difficult to get original versions.
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Two recent ones:
Dream Theater - Black Clouds
While I've kinda accepted what the music will sound like on a new DT release I was really excited that the lyrics were going to not be stupid fantasy stuff like SC but more personal. I figured they'd spend more time on them and actually make them good. Not only did they come out as sounding like they didn't even bother making more than one draft but I actually burst out laughing on the street the first time I heard the "finest wines" thing during The Count of Tuscany, and in a bad way. How you go from making fantasy lyrics to personal lyrics and somehow get worse is beyond me.
Between The Buried and Me - The Great Misdirect
Since Colors and Alaska had finally clicked and I was really digging them I naturally couldn't wait for TGM. While stuff like Mirrors and Desert of Song is kinda cool the rest bored the shit out of me. The band is clearly trying to go in a direction that compliments their technical abilities more than their songwriting abilities which they were able to pull off well with Colors but at least that album had really good arrangements. TGM, especially stuff like Swim To The Moon and Fossil Genera sound like really rough cut and paste jobs with the riffs. I dunno what the hell happened but I've felt the urge to spin that CD in awhile.
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Systematic Chaos. I was just getting into DT, had all of their discography when it came out. Liked it at first, but slowly grew to become my least favorite. I was very bummed that I might have really gotten into a band that was at the end of their creative life. Good thing BC&SL proved me wrong.
I actually liked SC quite a bit at first, too, mostly because I hated "Constant Motion" and was pretty iffy on "The Dark Eternal Night" when I heard them before the rest of the CD, and was pleasantly surprised when the rest of the CD was seemingly far superior to those two CDs. That didn't last long, however, as none of the tracks had any staying power with me. And I agree that BC&SL was a very nice comeback!
Porcupine Tree - The remaster of Up the Downstair.
The only pre IA albums I have are the remasters. I was under the impression that it was difficult to get original versions.
The original UtD was still available before the remaster was released in '05. I still have both.
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Muse - The Resistance
Barring the title track, Eurasia, and Uprising, this album was a major disappointment.
BTBAM - The Great Misdirect
For everything that Orcus already stated.
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The Great Misdirect.
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The past five years or so of Dream Theater, including overall album quality, song composition, lyrics, overall creativity and innovation (or lack thereof), general musicianship, and live performance. Total snowball for me.
I loved a lot of Octavarium but it was really the first album where I had trouble listening to a significant chunk of it (Okay, FII has about the same amount of songs I can't listen to but they don't seem to take up as much space :lol)... and I have barely listened to the last two. I also really don't want to see them live anymore because I've been so disappointed lately. The only reason I went twice on the last tour was ZPZ (and Bigelf).
Edit: Oh, I also just remembered how disappointed I was in the seventh grade when Korn put out Follow the Leader :lol
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Here are some:
Megadeth - Endgame
Although I'd been a Megadeth fan for many years, I was just starting to get out of thrash metal. Nevertheless I still had somewhat high hopes for this album. I don't know why, but I did. And upon my first listen, the generic song structures and completely uninspired playing just stuck out like a sore thumb. I couldn't stand it. I've only listened to that album once in full. And never again.
Symphony X - Paradise Lost
Though I am not a big fan of this band any more (probably due to this album!) at the time it came out, I was just in love with V: The New Mythology Suite and Twilight In Olympus. I honestly had no idea what their new album was going to be like. The first track came on and it blew me away. The orchestration was just so cool melded with the metal. And from that point on, most of the songs went by in some sort of samey blur of riffs upon riffs. It just sounded so contrived. Trying so hard to appeal to a new group of fans.
Porcupine Tree - The Incident
Well, here is a good story for a change. I had finally got into Porcupine Tree and was LOVING Fear of a Blank Planet. So I was really excited for The Incident. And upon my first listen, my only thoughts were "Is that it?". It was just so underwhelming for some reason. It was rather boring, which was nearly the opposite to FOABP whose every second I loved. Only in February of THIS YEAR after I saw PT do an amazing show in my city, that I saw The Incident live and it fully clicked. It sounds cliche'd but I went back to the studio version after seeing it live and it was superb. Either it's a grower or I wasn't in the right frame of mind when I first listened to it. Either way, now I love it.
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The Mars Volta - The Bedlam in Goliath.
Having gotten into Deloused (& Francis) in a big way, and being one of the few people I know who actually like Amputechture, Bedlam was a huge let down. It just feels like a big wandering mess to me, and the few moments of glory (mostly from Pridgen's end) are not enough to save it from being lost in a murky slough of uninspired poop.
The White Stripes - Under Great White Northern Lights (Audio only)
The Stripes are awesome. I'm a fan of every album, and on a good night, Jack and Meg can rock harder than anything. They'd previously released a live DVD, Under Blackpool Lights, which is oodles better than this, capturing the band at the peak of their popularity during the Elephant tour. This release is mainly full of below-par performances, and I think it just catches the band at the end of their tether, for now anyway.
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I don't think i've been let down by a band that's in my top10 or so, but some other bands:
Linkin Park - Minutes to Midnight, like there aren't enough boring rock-bands out there
The Killers - i really liked their first 2 albums, but when their latest album came out, it was just a MAJOR disappointment, and i don't consider myself a fan anymore, since that's the way they're taking.
In Flames - A Sense of Purpose which wasn't close to earlier stuff
just to name a few
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Slayer - Melbourne, October 9, 2009
Araya's voice was completely shot, he stopped the vocals maybe after the first song which was World Painted Blood. I was on the right side of the venue so I had to put up with an extremely loud Kerry King which was on the same side I was on. His solos were 90% wah wah'd and it was just ear piercing in every bad way possible. Barely could hear Jeff Hanneman too. When Megadeth was on, everyone was going nuts except for the Slayer fans, they were all sitting down on the seated areas where I was. I was very happy with Megadeth's performance. Slayer made me feel the opposite.
I really liked WPB when it was new, but after about 2 or 3 weeks the album became more and more dull and eventually I hated it. The title track is only maybe worth checking out, oh and the production is just incredi-bad. If you unhappy with Death Magnetic's sound/production you'll also be unhappy with WPB's.
Anyway that's the past and just a few disappointments I've encountered.
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Porcupine Tree - The last decade or so.
Being able to stand In Absentia, and only slightly being able to listen to Deadwing, after that it went further downhill. And just at that time I started to really get into The Sky...,Voyage 34 and Signify.
Dream Theater - Kinda what Jackie said, only I'd want to see them live once more, just to prove my point. I can still listen to them, every month or so, but the spark's gone.
Neal Morse - Lifeline
I remember really looking forward to it, loved every album he put out before that, the only problem was Sola Scriptura's lack of creativity, but I figured he would straighten that out with Lifeline. Only halfway through my first listen I noticed it had been going downhill with his creativity since SS. And this was no exception.
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Yeah, amen to the spark thing.
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I can only think of one, and a band you probably don't know, but anyway.
Samael - Above. A band I've really liked since I was like 12, they started as a black metal band so I'm not interested in the early albums, but since the album Passage they went into more of an electronic direction, sometimes even with an Eastern feeling, and the result is amazing - Passage and Eternal are recommended to everyone. The album that followed, called Reign of Light, wasn't as great, but still very good, but even more obvious oriental influences. The next one, Solar Soul, was unfortunately almost exactly the same... only not as good. And last year, they released Above. It was supposed to be "heavier than Passage". Well, I don't know what the hell is this, but it's nothing even close. Sounds like two guitar riffs throughout the album, drum programming set to "permanent blastbeats" (and from Passage onwards, it was almost impossible to tell they don't use real drums), and every song sounding the same, when on the previous albums each one was something different.
I still haven't considered the band "dead", especially that I've seen them live twice in 2009 and they absolutely kick ass, but I hope it's just a temporary loss of creativity.
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Linkin Park - Minutes to Midnight
I really liked the first 2 albums from this band and while I was aware that they were moving away from Nu Metal on this album, I thought it was for the better, but barring 2-3 songs this albums blows.
BtBaM - The Great Misdirect
After how surprisingly awesome I found Colors to be, this was a big, big letdown.
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In Flames - Soundtrack To Your Escape. Ugh.
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Children of Bodom - Bloodrunk. Absolute rubbish.
Hammerfall - All albums after Crimson Thunder.
Iced Earth - Crucible of Man - zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Incubus - Everything after Morning View
Joe Satriani - Everything after Is There Love in Space
Mastodon - Crack the Skye *ducks for cover*
I loved Mastodon's trilogy of Remission, Leviathan and Blood Mountain. I could not get into Crack the Skye at all. A huge step down for them IMO. I know I will get flamed by that's my opinion, it is an absolute snooze fest.
Slipknot - All Hope is Gone. Absolute garbage.
Sonata Arctica - The Days of Grays. Unia was a masterpiece, this is not.
Yngwie Malmsteen - Perpetual Flame. With Ripper is should have rocked, but I couldn't help but be disappointed.
Dream Theater - Systematic Chaos, this album was unacceptable.
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Cliché, but Metallica - St Anger. I love Load and I enjoy ReLoad, but St. Anger was a big ass WTF for me. Completely lost faith in them and still haven't recovered (no, I don't like Death Magnetic).
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Cliché, but Metallica - St Anger. I love Load and I enjoy ReLoad, but St. Anger was a big ass WTF for me. Completely lost faith in them and still haven't recovered (no, I don't like Death Magnetic).
I love St Anger, but hated Death Magnetic.
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Dream Theater - everything on BCSL between ANTR and TCOT. I was a :sadpanda:
Slipknot - All Hope Is Gone, I absolutely hated it. Everything after the intro was horrible. It made me want to burn all my other albums.
Children of Bodom - Blooddrunk, I HATED EVERY SECOND OF IT.
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Cliché, but Metallica - St Anger. I love Load and I enjoy ReLoad, but St. Anger was a big ass WTF for me. Completely lost faith in them and still haven't recovered (no, I don't like Death Magnetic).
I love St Anger, but hated Death Magnetic.
I disliked both of them.
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Children of Bodom - Bloodrunk. Absolute rubbish.
Slipknot - All Hope is Gone. Absolute garbage.
Slipknot - All Hope Is Gone, I absolutely hated it. Everything after the intro was horrible. It made me want to burn all my other albums.
Children of Bodom - Blooddrunk, I HATED EVERY SECOND OF IT.
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Dream Theater - everything on BCSL between ANTR and TCOT. I was a :sadpanda:
Slipknot - All Hope Is Gone, I absolutely hated it. Everything after the intro was horrible. It made me want to burn all my other albums.
Children of Bodom - Blooddrunk, I HATED EVERY SECOND OF IT.
I don't even remember what the intro is to All Hope is Gone. I'm not gonna find out either. I think if I put that album on again I will puke. It's bad, very very bad.
I agree 100% with Blooddrunk. I also literally hated every fucking microsecond of that album. Sooooo dissapointing. Are you Dead Yet was a step down, but it was still a good record, Blooddrunk is just taking the piss.
Good to see great minds think alike.
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Incubus - Everything after Morning View
I agree with this, all of their pre A Crow Left of the Murder albums are equally great imo. They had their sound perfected, but got so poppy and generic with everything afterwards, especially their latest abomination.
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Cliché, but Metallica - St Anger. I love Load and I enjoy ReLoad, but St. Anger was a big ass WTF for me. Completely lost faith in them and still haven't recovered (no, I don't like Death Magnetic).
I love St Anger, but hated Death Magnetic.
I really like both. :P
For me, this will get laughed down, but:
Green Day - 21st Century Breakdown
I know I'll be slightly outnumbered on a prog forum, but I actually really really enjoyed American Idiot. I was so disappointed with how shockingly little new there was on 21stCB, even though it was a Green Day album. At least American Idiot had two 9 minute songs which made a nice change. :P
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Green Day - Warning and beyond
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At least American Idiot had two 9 minute songs which made a nice change. :p
Green Day has 2 9 minute long songs???
What the hell do they do for those 9 minutes?
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At least American Idiot had two 9 minute songs which made a nice change. :p
Green Day has 2 9 minute long songs???
What the hell do they do for those 9 minutes?
Teenage angst.
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At least American Idiot had two 9 minute songs which made a nice change. :p
Green Day has 2 9 minute long songs???
What the hell do they do for those 9 minutes?
They're actually pretty good, although they're admittedly just four 2 and bit minute songs stuck together. They're stuck pretty well though.
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Protest the Hero - Fortress.
Reason: it had more than 30 seconds of music that I didn't like
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Symphony X - Paradise Lost
Though I am not a big fan of this band any more (probably due to this album!) at the time it came out, I was just in love with V: The New Mythology Suite and Twilight In Olympus. I honestly had no idea what their new album was going to be like. The first track came on and it blew me away. The orchestration was just so cool melded with the metal. And from that point on, most of the songs went by in some sort of samey blur of riffs upon riffs. It just sounded so contrived. Trying so hard to appeal to a new group of fans.
Good call on "Paradise Lost".
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The "Load" album. At the time, I just couldn't handle Alternica. I like the album just fine now.
"90125" and "Big Generator". Trevor Rabin-era Yes killed me. I still haven't included these albums in my collection
Mercyful Fate breaking up after putting out their masterpiece album "Don't Break The Oath". I was devastated. In hindsight, we got something equal, if not better, with the King Diamond band.
"Led Zeppelin III". After the heavy metal crunch of II (the Brown Bomber), I was completely taken aback by III and remember thinking WTF when I first heard all the acoustic tracks. It was only much later that I came to recognize the real depth of this album, which worked to set up the brilliance of Zoso IV.
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The Incident - Porcupine Tree.
I dunno, it just really feels like this was strictly a one-man operation, with the other members just going along. Foabp felt fresh to me, and had much more band-oriented tunes on it. The incident tries a little too hard being a really really long song. I also can't shake the STRONG "Dogs" vibe all over Time Flies. I like the last parts, though. After Time Flies.
Dream Theater - Raw Dog
Ok, not exactly an album... I wish DT would have dropped the Meshuggah-riffing. It doesn't suit them, IMO.
I'll post more when I think of more
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YOU'RE ALIVE!!
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Sure am!
Octahedron - Mars Volta.
This album has a few good tracks, but mostly it's a snorefest. Granted, it's been a while since I listened to it. Maybe it needs another go!
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Sure am!
Octahedron - Mars Volta.
This album has a few good tracks, but mostly it's a snorefest. Granted, it's been a while since I listened to it. Maybe it needs another go!
You should. It didn't click with me at first, but after not listening to it for over two months it finally did.
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Q2K. One of the biggest letdowns of a band I loved.
Kiss. Asylum. One great song and a whole lot of meh.
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I can point to an album here and there by a lot of band that didn't quite do it for me, but to me, that doesn't really fit what the thread is about. None of those are major disppointments. But I can point to a couple for sure:
Queensryche: In a nutshell, the series of events over the last decade or so that has left this once-great band a hollow shell of itself that feel like a laughing stock when compared to a time when people referred to them as "the thinking man's metal band" and actually meant it and could say it with a straight face. Operation Mindcrime was a metal concept album masterpiece. Empire, while decidedly having a very commercial edge, was incredibly solid and managed to garner mainstream exposure while maintaining the band's pencheant for complexity and layering of sonics and mood. Promised Land was perhaps their moodiest and most experimental. At this point in time, they were on top of the world in terms of musicality. But the band was imploding, which completely altered their writing style. It had begun prior to Promised Land, but the fact that the guys lived on the island in Big Log for the writing and recording forced them to work together. After that, for HITNF, while DeGarmo was still in the band, things were different and they did not write as they had in the past (which, to me, wasn't a problem because I love this album). Then DeGarmo left, and things were decidedly different. Unfortunately, it was not the right time for Gray to be in the band. Over time, the Tate family gained complete control over every aspect of the band and the rest of the band stopped caring and participating, and things have gone from bad to worse as the band's marketing has been one cash-grab publicity stunt after the next, the music is written by outside writers instead of the band, and Tate's voice has deterioriated as a result of him not caring enough to take care of it. As a fan, it has been painful watching this once-phenominal band decline to the point where their current output is something I wouldn't even notice or care about if not for their past legacy.
Def Leppard: I was a fan in the early '80s when they were considered a "rock" band as opposed to the pop band they eventually turned into. Although Hysteria was a huge move in the commercial direction, it still felt fresh and had an edge to it. The follow-ups have felt, in varying degrees, like a band who is just going through the motions. There have been some definite high points since then, but I feel a bit let down by what the band turned into vs. what they were. And given Joe's severe vocal deterioration, I have no interest in seeing them live again.
Journey: I lost interest toward the end of the Steve Perry years. Then they found Steve Augeri and things were good. This guy could sing. He could sound like Perry when he wanted to, but still had enough of his own personality and attitude that you couldn't really look at him as "just a Perry clone." I felt like he was a perfect fit. The songwriting also seemed to step up a notch or two again when he was in the band from where it was on the last two Perry albums. The band had energy and were, in a nutshell, interesting. Then he left, and...as much as I like JSS, he was doomed to fail in that role. And Arnel, while a talented singer, does nothing for me whatsoever. Journey now seem stale and uninteresting and seem supremely content to be a nostalgia act. And that's fine. But seeing them with Augeri, where I felt a genuine excitedment and enthusiasm (which, I must say, is really an anomaly for a band that has been around that long and has broken up and reformed years later with a brand new vocalist) that has since left again.
Those are mine. I could probably add Metallica as well. While they've also had some high points since the Black album, it just feels like they lost their roots after that and have no idea what kind of band they are supposed to be. DM recaptured a lot of their core sound, but still somehow felt forced to me instead of sounding fresh.
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Porcupine Tree- Fear of a Blank Planet
There was a short period time for me where, after coming off of In Absentia and Deadwing, Porcupine Tree were one of those bands that could do no wrong in my opinion. When I heard the first single off of Fear of a Blank Planet, I was less than impressed. When I heard the rest of the album, with Steven Wilson's old-man lyrics and its heaviness (I'm not against heaviness, but PT do NOT know how to do it right), PT quickly plummeted in my book. With the Incident they've managed to crawl back up, but only a little bit.
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The only one that's happened real-time is Dream Theater. I've gone out and purchased each album since SDOIT, and I've been more disappointed with every one. I think it's pretty safe to say that, after 4 sub-par albums (in my opinion, of course), they aren't going to pull themselves back up to the level of quality I once expected of them.
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The only one that's happened real-time is Dream Theater. I've gone out and purchased each album since SDOIT, and I've been more disappointed with every one. I think it's pretty safe to say that, after 4 sub-par albums (in my opinion, of course), they aren't going to pull themselves back up to the level of quality I once expected of them.
My feelings exactly, BUT
The title track alone of Octavarium saved it enough for me to regain some false hope.
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Barenaked Ladies - The past five years. They've gone from quirky alterna-rock to barely-there soft rock, the lyrical quality only shows up on a song or two from each album, and they lost their best vocalist without having a suitable replacement. Their live shows, however, are still pretty consistently good from what I've heard, though.
Nine Inch Nails - The Slip. Once Trent released Year Zero, it was like the band had been reinvigorated with a new sound and new direction. Then along comes The Slip and is pretty much half what you've already heard and half boring sonic experiments. The good songs are great, but the rest just drags it down, and there's no new progression, really.
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Most of the bands I listen to I somehow managed to get on the bandwagon late, so don’t often get the chance to follow a band in ‘real time.’
But for real time: Dream Theater Falling Into Infinity. I&W was instantly my favorite album in the early 90s, and Awake, while taking longer to appreciate, was right up there as well. When FII came out, I didn’t know they had a new member until I saw it in the booklet, but didn’t want to make too much of it. Bands change members all the time. But after my first listen, it totally sounded like a different band. I wanted to chalk it up to a new member, but thought 1 new keyboardist couldn’t change the sound of a whole band. Anyway, major disappointment at the time, and still is but it’s ok now since Mike said it’s the record label’s fault
The past five years or so of Dream Theater, including overall album quality, song composition, lyrics, overall creativity and innovation (or lack thereof), general musicianship, and live performance.
It seems like fans still give high marks to their live performances, despite what they may think of the material. Is it something in particular?
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It's not an album but...the Transatlantic show last month. I was terribly excited about this show that somehow, I felt disapointed by it. Maybe it's a combination of bad sound and feeling tired, but I didn't enjoy the show as much as I would have loved to.
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For Rush the only recent disappointment I can think of was the song swaps they made for the 2nd leg of the Snakes and Arrows tour. They took out some really rare stuff and put in mostly regular stuff. Also wish they would have given Witch Hunt and later Red Barchetta a break if they were going to end up playing Moving Pictures in full on the coming tour, though they probably didn't know that at the time. I also wish they would have swapped some of the Snakes material for other Snakes material, just to keep it fresh.
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The only one that's happened real-time is Dream Theater.
This. With most other bands I like I´m just catching up with their material. And no new album has disappointed me yet.
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Kiss. Asylum. One great song and a whole lot of meh.
I kinda liked Asylum. Pretty much everything from Creatures to Asylum I really liked. My biggest disappointments from them were Dynasty, Unmasked, and Hot in the Shade (this one in "real time"). Ugh, did they ever shit the bed on those albums.
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Maiden, both Blaze albums. I have since grown to enjoy those albums, but hated them when they came out.
I didn't hate them because of Blaze, who I've always liked as a singer. I thought the songwriting was weak, with too much repetition (especially on Virtual XI).
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Megadeth's The World Needs a Hero...can't put my finger on why, I just felt like there was so much wasted potential on that album.
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Kiss. Asylum. One great song and a whole lot of meh.
I kinda liked Asylum. Pretty much everything from Creatures to Asylum I really liked. My biggest disappointments from them were Dynasty, Unmasked, and Hot in the Shade (this one in "real time"). Ugh, did they ever shit the bed on those albums.
I loved Creatures and Animalize. Mabye because Animalize was such an ass kicking album that made me dissapointed with it.. I agree with Unmasked and HITS. That only had a few good songs. Though, the tour was their best in that deacade.
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For Rush the only recent disappointment I can think of was the song swaps they made for the 2nd leg of the Snakes and Arrows tour. They took out some really rare stuff and put in mostly regular stuff. Also wish they would have given Witch Hunt and later Red Barchetta a break if they were going to end up playing Moving Pictures in full on the coming tour, though they probably didn't know that at the time. I also wish they would have swapped some of the Snakes material for other Snakes material, just to keep it fresh.
They tend to do that on the second leg a lot Nick. I've always wondered why the pull out the standards for the second leg?
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For Rush the only recent disappointment I can think of was the song swaps they made for the 2nd leg of the Snakes and Arrows tour. They took out some really rare stuff and put in mostly regular stuff. Also wish they would have given Witch Hunt and later Red Barchetta a break if they were going to end up playing Moving Pictures in full on the coming tour, though they probably didn't know that at the time. I also wish they would have swapped some of the Snakes material for other Snakes material, just to keep it fresh.
I have never been big time disappointed by Rush, even by Test for Echo, which I listened to like crazy for a long time before the majority of it grew off of me, but I have to admit to being a tad disappointed by the fact that the second leg of the S&A tour was almost identical to the first, except for the changes you mentioned. I think the biggest thing was the fact that they kept that string of five straight S&A songs at the beginning of the second set. I like all of those songs, but doing five songs in a row from it like that was a crowd killer on the first leg, and I was a little disappointed that they kept it the same way on the second leg. I love that they play a lot of new songs, but mix them up in the set, instead of just spitting five out in a row like that. By the time they got to the fourth song, you could tell the crowd was getting restless, like, "Okay, play something that we all know and love."
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Rush - Vapor Trails
Probably the biggest disappointment of an album I've ever heard. Easily the most disappointing album of the 00's, and among Rush's worst albums (only Rush and Caress of Steel are worst, imo). Aside from Secret Touch, every song ranges from average to bad.
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I'm weird in the way that it's very hard for me to not like something by a band that I love. For instance, I love St. Anger and The World Needs A Hero, Def Leppard's recent album (which is closer to pop rock, and I hate pop rock), and I also like the duller AC/DC albums like Blow Up Your Video and Ballbreaker. I rarely ever dislike something from a band that I like a lot.
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For Rush the only recent disappointment I can think of was the song swaps they made for the 2nd leg of the Snakes and Arrows tour. They took out some really rare stuff and put in mostly regular stuff. Also wish they would have given Witch Hunt and later Red Barchetta a break if they were going to end up playing Moving Pictures in full on the coming tour, though they probably didn't know that at the time. I also wish they would have swapped some of the Snakes material for other Snakes material, just to keep it fresh.
I have never been big time disappointed by Rush, even by Test for Echo, which I listened to like crazy for a long time before the majority of it grew off of me, but I have to admit to being a tad disappointed by the fact that the second leg of the S&A tour was almost identical to the first, except for the changes you mentioned. I think the biggest thing was the fact that they kept that string of five straight S&A songs at the beginning of the second set. I like all of those songs, but doing five songs in a row from it like that was a crowd killer on the first leg, and I was a little disappointed that they kept it the same way on the second leg. I love that they play a lot of new songs, but mix them up in the set, instead of just spitting five out in a row like that. By the time they got to the fourth song, you could tell the crowd was getting restless, like, "Okay, play something that we all know and love."
I wished they would have kept going! That was definately one of the highlights of the tour for me.
Disappointments:
Kevin Moore leaving Dream Theater - I thought the band was toast (I found out a few months before Awake came out). I didn't fully accept it until I heard Kevin's demos and then understood completetly why he had to leave.
Falling Into Infinity - I thought the band was going to break up. Felt that way until Jordan joined.
DeGarmo leaving Queensryche - You just can't replace something like that. Took me years to get over that one.
Fish leaving Marillion - hearing Seasons End took A LOT of the sting out it, but hearing Brave and Afraid Of Sunlight brought it back a bit.
It still depresses me when I throw on the bonus disc of the Clutching At Straws remaster (I guess that's why I try not to listen to that one much).
The water on this is so far under the bridge though that the only thought I ever have is that they play on Fish's solo album as guests (at least Rothery anyway), but Hogy might get a bit jealous about that.
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SikTh breaking up
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Incubus - Everything after Morning View
I agree with this, all of their pre A Crow Left of the Murder albums are equally great imo. They had their sound perfected, but got so poppy and generic with everything afterwards, especially their latest abomination.
Granted A Crow had a couple of good tunes, but they had lost their personality and the ability to give their songs this amazing atmosphere. I just cringe thinking about Light Grenades.
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The only one that's happened real-time is Dream Theater. I've gone out and purchased each album since SDOIT, and I've been more disappointed with every one. I think it's pretty safe to say that, after 4 sub-par albums (in my opinion, of course), they aren't going to pull themselves back up to the level of quality I once expected of them.
BUT
The title track alone of Octavarium saved it enough for me to regain some false hope.
Agreed.. except I enjoyed Train of Thought and liked a few more tracks on Octavarium than just the title one.
The past five years or so of Dream Theater, including overall album quality, song composition, lyrics, overall creativity and innovation (or lack thereof), general musicianship, and live performance.
It seems like fans still give high marks to their live performances, despite what they may think of the material. Is it something in particular?
I guess there's just nothing special about it anymore... and it doesn't help that their sets have been pretty lame the past few times I've seen them. How can I enjoy the performance if the material is blah, yknow?
I think it also ties into some of the other stuff I mentioned. I just haven't liked the members' general performance as much, other than Jordan.
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Mine are:
Metallica's Reload in 97. When that album came out, I quit Metallica for 11 years.
Symphony X's Paradise Lost, either their worst or second worst album, especially considering the wait we had.
Chidren of Bodom's Blooddrunk
Falconer's Grime vs. Grandeur has turned me off them almost completely (not that they were anything more than average to start with)
Iron Maiden's Virtual XI - I feared the end was near
Nightwish's Dark Passion Play - too much filler
Royal Hunt's Paper Blood really dampered my enthusiasm for the band
Threshold's Dead Reckoning was quite a step down IMO and lacked the "grabbers" that previous albums had.
And that's just looking at bands on my iPod.
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The Resistance by Muse. I've grown to really enjoy a couple of songs from that album, but as a whole it's terrible, and United States of Eurasia is so awful I thought it was a joke initially. I couldn't believe how one of my favourite bands could let me down SO badly, now I'm over it and still listening tonnes to their previous albums and hoping they find their way again on the next.
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Oh that reminds me of one.
Blackholes. Terrible album.
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Nightwish's Dark Passion Play - too much filler
It's high quality filler though.
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Oh that reminds me of one.
Blackholes. Terrible album.
OH GOD YES
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Nightwish's Dark Passion Play - too much filler
It's high quality filler though.
I wouldn't even call it filler. One of the reasons I love that album so much is because I consider it to be a "full" album if that makes any sense. Every song is worthy of inclusion.
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For Rush the only recent disappointment I can think of was the song swaps they made for the 2nd leg of the Snakes and Arrows tour. They took out some really rare stuff and put in mostly regular stuff. Also wish they would have given Witch Hunt and later Red Barchetta a break if they were going to end up playing Moving Pictures in full on the coming tour, though they probably didn't know that at the time. I also wish they would have swapped some of the Snakes material for other Snakes material, just to keep it fresh.
I have never been big time disappointed by Rush, even by Test for Echo, which I listened to like crazy for a long time before the majority of it grew off of me, but I have to admit to being a tad disappointed by the fact that the second leg of the S&A tour was almost identical to the first, except for the changes you mentioned. I think the biggest thing was the fact that they kept that string of five straight S&A songs at the beginning of the second set. I like all of those songs, but doing five songs in a row from it like that was a crowd killer on the first leg, and I was a little disappointed that they kept it the same way on the second leg. I love that they play a lot of new songs, but mix them up in the set, instead of just spitting five out in a row like that. By the time they got to the fourth song, you could tell the crowd was getting restless, like, "Okay, play something that we all know and love."
Although I personally wasn't disappointed by the decision, I agree that it wasn't the best possible move and that a lot of people were not happy with it. I think simply moving Subdivisions to either the 3rd or 4th song in the 2nd set would have helped keep people happier.
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I'm struggling to think of many albums that were completely, irredeemably failtastic.
The worst was probably Machine Head's Supercharger. I mean, Jesus Christ.
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Disappointments:
Kevin Moore leaving Dream Theater - I thought the band was toast (I found out a few months before Awake came out). I didn't fully accept it until I heard Kevin's demos and then understood completetly why he had to leave.
That's a good one. I, too, was pretty disappointed when I found it. And the kicker is, we found out literally minutes before buying tickets to our first DT concert. Nothing like a huge killjoy, eh?
Although I personally wasn't disappointed by the decision, I agree that it wasn't the best possible move and that a lot of people were not happy with it. I think simply moving Subdivisions to either the 3rd or 4th song in the 2nd set would have helped keep people happier.
Maybe, but six new songs in the second set (not counting "Hope") was just too much. Play most of the new stuff in the first set and go with only a few new ones and then the tried and true classics the rest of the way.
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That's a good one. I, too, was pretty disappointed when I found it. And the kicker is, we found out literally minutes before buying tickets to our first DT concert. Nothing like a huge killjoy, eh?
Oh no, you can't watch the static keyboard player put on an uninteresting show live. :loser:
(And to be honest, I'd rather have Rudess in DT and Moore to do Chroma Key and OSI :tup)
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And the kicker is, we found out literally minutes before buying tickets to our first DT concert. Nothing like a huge killjoy, eh?
I found out when they hit the stage in Providence for the first night of the tour. You can clearly hear me questioning it on my boot.
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Mine change over time, but ones off the top of my head:
Ditto on Chris DeGarmo leaving Queensryche
Dream Theater's direction post-FII
Honestly, my two biggest disappointments, since Queensryche and DT were #1 and #2 for years until that all happened.
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Don't know if I'm the only one, but Dream Theater has never disappointed me with anything.
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That's a good one. I, too, was pretty disappointed when I found it. And the kicker is, we found out literally minutes before buying tickets to our first DT concert. Nothing like a huge killjoy, eh?
Oh no, you can't watch the static keyboard player put on an uninteresting show live. :loser:
(And to be honest, I'd rather have Rudess in DT and Moore to do Chroma Key and OSI :tup)
In hindsight, it probably worked out best for all concerned, but at the time, it was a shock to the system...and, yes, a disappointment.
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Understandable, but I agree Rudess is the best fit with the band so it worked out :)
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Escape The Fate and Black Tide - they're too lazy to make new albums despite having songs written.
Scary Kids Scaring Kids - Breaking up.
Chiodos - Getting rid of Craig Owens.
Eminem - Relapse ... absolute shit on a stick dipped in toilet water.
DragonForce - Ultra Beatdown ... I never liked Inhuman Rampage but loved Valley of the Damned and thought Sonic Firestorm was good enough... Had high hopes for Ultra Beatdown because in an interview Li and Totman had stated they were going back to more of what they did before Inhuman Rampage, then it was basically a re-release of Inhuman Rampage.
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Black Tide - they're too lazy to make new albums despite having songs written.
DragonForce - Ultra Beatdown ... I never liked Inhuman Rampage but loved Valley of the Damned and thought Sonic Firestorm was good enough... Had high hopes for Ultra Beatdown because in an interview Li and Totman had stated they were going back to more of what they did before Inhuman Rampage, then it was basically a re-release of Inhuman Rampage.
Hopefully Black Tide will release an album soon, and hopefully DragonForce will get an awesome singer and become slightly better.
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Black Tide - they're too lazy to make new albums despite having songs written.
DragonForce - Ultra Beatdown ... I never liked Inhuman Rampage but loved Valley of the Damned and thought Sonic Firestorm was good enough... Had high hopes for Ultra Beatdown because in an interview Li and Totman had stated they were going back to more of what they did before Inhuman Rampage, then it was basically a re-release of Inhuman Rampage.
Hopefully Black Tide will release an album soon, and hopefully DragonForce will get an awesome singer and become slightly better.
Black Tide are finally back in the studio, and are planning on a fall release for the new album.
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Black Tide - they're too lazy to make new albums despite having songs written.
DragonForce - Ultra Beatdown ... I never liked Inhuman Rampage but loved Valley of the Damned and thought Sonic Firestorm was good enough... Had high hopes for Ultra Beatdown because in an interview Li and Totman had stated they were going back to more of what they did before Inhuman Rampage, then it was basically a re-release of Inhuman Rampage.
Hopefully Black Tide will release an album soon, and hopefully DragonForce will get an awesome singer and become slightly better.
Black Tide are finally back in the studio, and are planning on a fall release for the new album.
Sweet! I hope they either tour with another good band (unlike Airbourne touring with the disgusting Bullet For My Vagina Valentine), or do a small headlining tour. I'd like to see them, they're not much older than me!
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Black Tide - they're too lazy to make new albums despite having songs written.
DragonForce - Ultra Beatdown ... I never liked Inhuman Rampage but loved Valley of the Damned and thought Sonic Firestorm was good enough... Had high hopes for Ultra Beatdown because in an interview Li and Totman had stated they were going back to more of what they did before Inhuman Rampage, then it was basically a re-release of Inhuman Rampage.
Hopefully Black Tide will release an album soon, and hopefully DragonForce will get an awesome singer and become slightly better.
Black Tide are finally back in the studio, and are planning on a fall release for the new album.
Sweet! I hope they either tour with another good band (unlike Airbourne touring with the disgusting Bullet For My Vagina Valentine), or do a small headlining tour. I'd like to see them, they're not much older than me!
I wouldn't rule them touring with Escape the Fate or Attack Attack! again out, they apparently all became friends during Escape the Fate's headlining tour then during Warped Tour just hung out with each other instead of trying to deal with the other bands... If they wait for Escape the Fate's new album (due out this year, as well as Attack Attack!'s follow up to Someday Came Suddenly I believe) to tour in support of the new album, there may be a good chance of them touring together again.
Though I'm a fan of all three bands (Escape the Fate and Black Tide are easily in my top 3 right now and have been for over a year), I was rather unimpressed with Attack Attack!'s performance when I saw them on Escape the Fate's tour, while both times I've seen Escape the Fate I've been thoroughly impressed, and all three times with Black Tide.
I guess all I'm trying to say is that Escape the Fate and Black Tide doing another tour together (possibly co-headlining) would make me a very happy person for at least one day.
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Black Tide - they're too lazy to make new albums despite having songs written.
DragonForce - Ultra Beatdown ... I never liked Inhuman Rampage but loved Valley of the Damned and thought Sonic Firestorm was good enough... Had high hopes for Ultra Beatdown because in an interview Li and Totman had stated they were going back to more of what they did before Inhuman Rampage, then it was basically a re-release of Inhuman Rampage.
Hopefully Black Tide will release an album soon, and hopefully DragonForce will get an awesome singer and become slightly better.
Black Tide are finally back in the studio, and are planning on a fall release for the new album.
Sweet! I hope they either tour with another good band (unlike Airbourne touring with the disgusting Bullet For My Vagina Valentine), or do a small headlining tour. I'd like to see them, they're not much older than me!
I wouldn't rule them touring with Escape the Fate or Attack Attack! again out, they apparently all became friends during Escape the Fate's headlining tour then during Warped Tour just hung out with each other instead of trying to deal with the other bands... If they wait for Escape the Fate's new album (due out this year, as well as Attack Attack!'s follow up to Someday Came Suddenly I believe) to tour in support of the new album, there may be a good chance of them touring together again.
Though I'm a fan of all three bands (Escape the Fate and Black Tide are easily in my top 3 right now and have been for over a year), I was rather unimpressed with Attack Attack!'s performance when I saw them on Escape the Fate's tour, while both times I've seen Escape the Fate I've been thoroughly impressed, and all three times with Black Tide.
I guess all I'm trying to say is that Escape the Fate and Black Tide doing another tour together (possibly co-headlining) would make me a very happy person for at least one day.
I should look into those two bands.
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Don't know if I'm the only one, but Dream Theater has never disappointed me with anything.
You're not the only one. I feel like an ass-kisser when I say this, but I truly like every single one of their albums. Some more than others of course, but I'd be lying if I said I disliked one of them.
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Black Tide - they're too lazy to make new albums despite having songs written.
DragonForce - Ultra Beatdown ... I never liked Inhuman Rampage but loved Valley of the Damned and thought Sonic Firestorm was good enough... Had high hopes for Ultra Beatdown because in an interview Li and Totman had stated they were going back to more of what they did before Inhuman Rampage, then it was basically a re-release of Inhuman Rampage.
Hopefully Black Tide will release an album soon, and hopefully DragonForce will get an awesome singer and become slightly better.
Black Tide are finally back in the studio, and are planning on a fall release for the new album.
Sweet! I hope they either tour with another good band (unlike Airbourne touring with the disgusting Bullet For My Vagina Valentine), or do a small headlining tour. I'd like to see them, they're not much older than me!
I wouldn't rule them touring with Escape the Fate or Attack Attack! again out, they apparently all became friends during Escape the Fate's headlining tour then during Warped Tour just hung out with each other instead of trying to deal with the other bands... If they wait for Escape the Fate's new album (due out this year, as well as Attack Attack!'s follow up to Someday Came Suddenly I believe) to tour in support of the new album, there may be a good chance of them touring together again.
Though I'm a fan of all three bands (Escape the Fate and Black Tide are easily in my top 3 right now and have been for over a year), I was rather unimpressed with Attack Attack!'s performance when I saw them on Escape the Fate's tour, while both times I've seen Escape the Fate I've been thoroughly impressed, and all three times with Black Tide.
I guess all I'm trying to say is that Escape the Fate and Black Tide doing another tour together (possibly co-headlining) would make me a very happy person for at least one day.
I should look into those two bands.
Might as well, worse case scenario = you don't like them.
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Black Tide - they're too lazy to make new albums despite having songs written.
DragonForce - Ultra Beatdown ... I never liked Inhuman Rampage but loved Valley of the Damned and thought Sonic Firestorm was good enough... Had high hopes for Ultra Beatdown because in an interview Li and Totman had stated they were going back to more of what they did before Inhuman Rampage, then it was basically a re-release of Inhuman Rampage.
Hopefully Black Tide will release an album soon, and hopefully DragonForce will get an awesome singer and become slightly better.
Black Tide are finally back in the studio, and are planning on a fall release for the new album.
Sweet! I hope they either tour with another good band (unlike Airbourne touring with the disgusting Bullet For My Vagina Valentine), or do a small headlining tour. I'd like to see them, they're not much older than me!
I wouldn't rule them touring with Escape the Fate or Attack Attack! again out, they apparently all became friends during Escape the Fate's headlining tour then during Warped Tour just hung out with each other instead of trying to deal with the other bands... If they wait for Escape the Fate's new album (due out this year, as well as Attack Attack!'s follow up to Someday Came Suddenly I believe) to tour in support of the new album, there may be a good chance of them touring together again.
Though I'm a fan of all three bands (Escape the Fate and Black Tide are easily in my top 3 right now and have been for over a year), I was rather unimpressed with Attack Attack!'s performance when I saw them on Escape the Fate's tour, while both times I've seen Escape the Fate I've been thoroughly impressed, and all three times with Black Tide.
I guess all I'm trying to say is that Escape the Fate and Black Tide doing another tour together (possibly co-headlining) would make me a very happy person for at least one day.
I should look into those two bands.
Might as well, worse case scenario = you don't like them.
Just wondering, what kind of metal do you classify Black Tide as? I've heard people call them thrash metal, power metal, speed metal, etc..., but I can't really figure out what they are.
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Black Tide are basically 80's throwback. If you want to call that a genre. Just imagine a mix of Metallica, Crue, and Guns, but with a modern edge.
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Black Tide - they're too lazy to make new albums despite having songs written.
DragonForce - Ultra Beatdown ... I never liked Inhuman Rampage but loved Valley of the Damned and thought Sonic Firestorm was good enough... Had high hopes for Ultra Beatdown because in an interview Li and Totman had stated they were going back to more of what they did before Inhuman Rampage, then it was basically a re-release of Inhuman Rampage.
Hopefully Black Tide will release an album soon, and hopefully DragonForce will get an awesome singer and become slightly better.
Black Tide are finally back in the studio, and are planning on a fall release for the new album.
Sweet! I hope they either tour with another good band (unlike Airbourne touring with the disgusting Bullet For My Vagina Valentine), or do a small headlining tour. I'd like to see them, they're not much older than me!
I wouldn't rule them touring with Escape the Fate or Attack Attack! again out, they apparently all became friends during Escape the Fate's headlining tour then during Warped Tour just hung out with each other instead of trying to deal with the other bands... If they wait for Escape the Fate's new album (due out this year, as well as Attack Attack!'s follow up to Someday Came Suddenly I believe) to tour in support of the new album, there may be a good chance of them touring together again.
Though I'm a fan of all three bands (Escape the Fate and Black Tide are easily in my top 3 right now and have been for over a year), I was rather unimpressed with Attack Attack!'s performance when I saw them on Escape the Fate's tour, while both times I've seen Escape the Fate I've been thoroughly impressed, and all three times with Black Tide.
I guess all I'm trying to say is that Escape the Fate and Black Tide doing another tour together (possibly co-headlining) would make me a very happy person for at least one day.
I should look into those two bands.
Might as well, worse case scenario = you don't like them.
Just wondering, what kind of metal do you classify Black Tide as? I've heard people call them thrash metal, power metal, speed metal, etc..., but I can't really figure out what they are.
I honestly hate the limitations placed on selecting a genre for a band, whenever someone asks me about them I tend to say they're sound somewhat like a mix of early Metallica, Megadeth, and GnR. I guess I would say they sound to me most like thrash or NWOBHM, without really fitting into either though.
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Black Tide are basically 80's throwback. If you want to call that a genre. Just imagine a mix of Metallica, Crue, and Guns, but with a modern edge.
Yeah this.
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Black Tide are basically 80's throwback. If you want to call that a genre. Just imagine a mix of Metallica, Crue, and Guns, but with a modern edge.
Yeah this.
Yeah, this actually perfectly describes them.
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...That being said, I personally don't think they're very good at it. :lol
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The music scene of south Florida has brought us all the wonderful talents of Jimmy Buffett, Aaron Carter, and Black Tide.
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...That being said, I personally don't think they're very good at it. :lol
:lol
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Don't know if I'm the only one, but Dream Theater has never disappointed me with anything.
You're not the only one. I feel like an ass-kisser when I say this, but I truly like every single one of their albums. Some more than others of course, but I'd be lying if I said I disliked one of them.
I don't think you have to dislike something to be disappointed by it. For example, I was extremely disappointed with Train of Thought when it first came out, but I still liked it, for the most part; still do, in fact. It's all relative. ;)
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Black Tide - they're too lazy to make new albums despite having songs written.
DragonForce - Ultra Beatdown ... I never liked Inhuman Rampage but loved Valley of the Damned and thought Sonic Firestorm was good enough... Had high hopes for Ultra Beatdown because in an interview Li and Totman had stated they were going back to more of what they did before Inhuman Rampage, then it was basically a re-release of Inhuman Rampage.
Hopefully Black Tide will release an album soon, and hopefully DragonForce will get an awesome singer and become slightly better.
Black Tide are finally back in the studio, and are planning on a fall release for the new album.
Sweet! I hope they either tour with another good band (unlike Airbourne touring with the disgusting Bullet For My Vagina Valentine), or do a small headlining tour. I'd like to see them, they're not much older than me!
What is wrong with Bullet For My Valentine?
They put on an amazing live show and have pretty kick ass songs.
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A little surprised no one has mentioned Megadeth's Risk. I was in my 2nd year of college when that album came out. I had been a big fan during my latter high school years, even enjoying Cryptic Writings immensely. However, because my dad was a pastor and somewhat policed my music, I had to borrow Megadeth cds from friends and pretty much keep them on the down low. Risk was their first album that came out after I had gained my college freedoms and could do whatever the hell I wanted -- I was so thrilled to go out and spend my money on their new cd. Imagine my disappointment, then, hearing what sounded like nothing more than commercial, pop-esque garbage. I could not believe that Mustaine, one of the pioneer gods of metal, would put out music this lame. I tried for a while to tolerate some of it -- any of it, really -- but it never even remotely clicked with me. Who knows what I'd think of it now. Maybe a re-listen would yield better results these days, but at the time I despised it. Easily my biggest let-down ever for purchasing a cd.
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These days I tend to get disappointed by bad mixing/mastering than by the music itself. "Vapor Trails" by Rush is a great album, but it sounds terrible. Ditto "Somewhere Else" by Marillion and "Death Magnetic" by Metallica. I guess this is the downside to investing in top end hi-fi...
Dream Theater have disappointed me once - 6DOIT. I thought it was awful when I first heard it, I could have cried. I've warmed to the album over the years, but it's not one of my favourites.
More recently, "The Incident" by Porcupine Tree. I can't see why it gets so much love. The 4 tracks on the second disc are good enough, but the first disc is awful. PT have had such a run of great albums, each better than the last, and then this one drops the ball big time. Sorry, just my honest opinion :-\
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More recently, "The Incident" by Porcupine Tree. I can't see why it gets so much love. The 4 tracks on the second disc are good enough, but the first disc is awful. PT have had such a run of great albums, each better than the last, and then this one drops the ball big time. Sorry, just my honest opinion :-\
Just out of curiosity, what don't you like about it?
I understand your point, just interested about it. :P
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I don't think it flows as a through-scored piece, there's no overall cohesion to it, plus I don't think any of the individual songs on it stand up on their own. "Blind House", "Time Flies" and "Drive the Hearse" are the best of the bunch, but put them next to anything on Deadwing or FOABP and they fade into mediocrity. Much of the rest of it sounds amatuerish and sixth-formy, even if it is beautifully produced.
Don't get me wrong, it's still better than a lot of other music out there, but after FOABP I was curious to see where they'd go next, and "The Incident" strikes me as a massive step backwards.
It's odd, because I've been a fan of PT since the "Lightbulb Sun" album, and while I've thought each PT album since has been better that the last, each album has also had a number of older PT fans saying they just don't get the new direction. I've always thought they were crazy - "In Absentia" is brilliant, how could anyone not like it? - but now I find myself joining their ranks. I like PT precisely because they do shoot off in a new direction every so often rather than just churning out the same old stuff, but everytime they do, and gain new fans, I guess they lose a few old ones too.
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Black Tide - they're too lazy to make new albums despite having songs written.
DragonForce - Ultra Beatdown ... I never liked Inhuman Rampage but loved Valley of the Damned and thought Sonic Firestorm was good enough... Had high hopes for Ultra Beatdown because in an interview Li and Totman had stated they were going back to more of what they did before Inhuman Rampage, then it was basically a re-release of Inhuman Rampage.
Hopefully Black Tide will release an album soon, and hopefully DragonForce will get an awesome singer and become slightly better.
Black Tide are finally back in the studio, and are planning on a fall release for the new album.
Sweet! I hope they either tour with another good band (unlike Airbourne touring with the disgusting Bullet For My Vagina Valentine), or do a small headlining tour. I'd like to see them, they're not much older than me!
What is wrong with Bullet For My Valentine?
They put on an amazing live show and have pretty kick ass songs.
:puke:
But I do hear that they are amazing live, even from people like myself who hate them, so I'll give them that.
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Don't know if I'm the only one, but Dream Theater has never disappointed me with anything.
Me too. I love it too much to see the downsides.
However, here are some disappointments:
01. Blood and Metal EP: Well.... :facepalm: Raw Dog is the only one that saves itself. It costed a lot to hear Opeth in that EP!
02. Sounds Of The Universe (Depeche Mode): One of the best bands, love their sound...but that album was a good definition of an WTF album.
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OSI - not that I was a huge fanboy, but I am for Jim Matheos and Fates Warning. Free was a huge letdown, and Blood is probably even worse. To me, OSI is pretty much Chroma Key's little sister now.
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OSI - not that I was a huge fanboy, but I am for Jim Matheos and Fates Warning. Free was a huge letdown, and Blood is probably even worse. To me, OSI is pretty much Chroma Key's little sister now.
:lol
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:facepalm:
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The quality of the lyrics on BC&SL was a huge disappointment to me. I thought things couldn't get any worse in the lyrics department after Systematic Chaos.
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Systematic Chaos
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Sure am!
Octahedron - Mars Volta.
This album has a few good tracks, but mostly it's a snorefest. Granted, it's been a while since I listened to it. Maybe it needs another go!
Octahedron is one of the most beautifully haunting albums I've heard, and is up there with the best of Pink Floyd in my books :P
The rest of TMV, however, I'm not too keen on :sad:
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Year Of The Black Rainbow - verse/chorus/verse/chorus/bridge/chorus for 10 songs then the last song that cuts off right when you think it's about to pick up and ends with noise. >:(
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More recently, "The Incident" by Porcupine Tree. I can't see why it gets so much love. The 4 tracks on the second disc are good enough, but the first disc is awful. PT have had such a run of great albums, each better than the last, and then this one drops the ball big time. Sorry, just my honest opinion :-\
Just out of curiosity, what don't you like about it?
I understand your point, just interested about it. :P
I'm not The Curious Orange, but I kinda want to answer that from my perspective.
The Incident, at least for me, sounds VERY impressive at first, but it doesn't have staying power. There just isn't enough good music, and it has way too much filler.
For the first half of th album: Things take a little bit too long to get started, but Blind House is a good song. The little filler-ish interludes that follow also are all very nice sounding, though they don't last nearly as long as they should. I don't like Drawing the Line or The Incident very much. Despite Wilson being at his whiniest, I can deal with the former, while the album's title track is absolutely appalling, probably the worst thing the band have ever done. After the Sigur Ros-y sounding interlude, Time Flies starts and makes up for the last two tracks.
I think things really take a turn for the worst after Time Flies. There's just way too much filler, "empty space" in the sound, and, as usual, all the heavy sections just sound really bland and generic. I don't know why PT keep getting heavier. They're obviously not playing to their strengths. But anyway, after Time Flies the album seems to get really slow and drawn-out. Thankfully "I Drive The Hearse" ends the album on a good note, though it's not nearly as strong as it could have been.
As for the songs which aren't part of the "The Incident" song cycle, I find a lot of the same problems with them as I find with most of the FoaBP album. They all seem to have the same down-trodden tempo and, once again, the music just sounds really "empty." Listening to them now, my first thought is "Good god, this stuff is miserable."
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Okay, everybody on the Fail boat! Perpetual Change has taken the wheel from Nick and is now our captain! :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Don't know if I'm the only one, but Dream Theater has never disappointed me with anything.
At the time it didn't disappoint me because I was fairly new to the band but having heard the entire discography I can't help but think 'disappointing' whenever I listen to Systematic Chaos
With regard to 'The Incident' discussion...I really like the first half and think it's the most cohesive disc of music PT have put together and combines everything they do so well into one awesome whole. I certainly prefer it to Deadwing and FOABP
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Definitely Ghost Opera by Kamelot. Even though I became a fan after The Black Halo was released, I loved the album and hoped they'd come back with something awesome like it, but Ghost Opera is a borefest.
Godsmack - IV: Even though Sully Erna's lyrics were still anti-social angst, Faceless was a kick ass metal album that showed that the guys weren't fucking around, especially with new drummer Shannon Larkin. Then they followed it up by going backwards to a muddy produced and recycled mess.
Dream Theater - Systematic Chaos: My first real time Dream Theater album, and although it did get several spins, it lost it's steam very quickly until I only listened to In The Presence Of Enemies, but then that lost its steam as well. I never liked The Dark Master section, and Prophets of War was atrocious. The only part of Ministry I liked was the instrumental section. I don't mind Constant Motion or The Dark Eternal Night, but I just have no desire to listen to them. Forsaken was pretty bad too, and Repentance isn't a multi listener.
The Offspring - That Shitty New One: By far my biggest disappointment is The Offspring. My first favorite band and obsession. I've been following them officially since Ixnay On The Hombre, and although they started decreasing in quality, I still enjoyed them greatly. Even Splinter had some good tunes. For their newest, they completely changed their style while ripping themselves off in the process, and became just another pop punk emo trend. I've claimed that Mr. Microbiology, Dexter Holland is smarter than that, but his wits aren't in question as he knows what'll make him more money. The Offspring have serious potential and have always been more than just an average punk band, with traces of classic metal thrown in, but all that fame and fortune has gone to their heads.
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The Offspring - That Shitty New One: By far my biggest disappointment is The Offspring. My first favorite band and obsession. I've been following them officially since Ixnay On The Hombre, and although they started decreasing in quality, I still enjoyed them greatly. Even Splinter had some good tunes. For their newest, they completely changed their style while ripping themselves off in the process, and became just another pop punk emo trend. I've claimed that Mr. Microbiology, Dexter Holland is smarter than that, but his wits aren't in question as he knows what'll make him more money. The Offspring have serious potential and have always been more than just an average punk band, with traces of classic metal thrown in, but all that fame and fortune has gone to their heads.
I wouldn't say their style completely changed on RAFRAG. It has similarities to Spinter, and I see it as a progression from that. Some of the new songs still have many remnants of their old sound. If you're blaming them for selling out, I'm pretty sure they did that long before their newest album. That being said, I actually like the new album. Half-Truism is one of my favorite songs of theirs, and I like a lot of the others on the new album as well. For as long as The Offspring have been around, I can give them a break for changing their sound a bit.
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The Offspring - That Shitty New One: By far my biggest disappointment is The Offspring. My first favorite band and obsession. I've been following them officially since Ixnay On The Hombre, and although they started decreasing in quality, I still enjoyed them greatly. Even Splinter had some good tunes. For their newest, they completely changed their style while ripping themselves off in the process, and became just another pop punk emo trend. I've claimed that Mr. Microbiology, Dexter Holland is smarter than that, but his wits aren't in question as he knows what'll make him more money. The Offspring have serious potential and have always been more than just an average punk band, with traces of classic metal thrown in, but all that fame and fortune has gone to their heads.
I wouldn't say their style completely changed on RAFRAG. It has similarities to Spinter, and I see it as a progression from that. Some of the new songs still have many remnants of their old sound. If you're blaming them for selling out, I'm pretty sure they did that long before their newest album. That being said, I actually like the new album. Half-Truism is one of my favorite songs of theirs, and I like a lot of the others on the new album as well. For as long as The Offspring have been around, I can give them a break for changing their sound a bit.
I can deal with the mainstream pop they've churned out (not including turds like Original Prankster and Hit That) but I hate that Fallout Boy sound and after listening to half the album, I had to turn it off. The only thing keeping them from being another Fallout Boy clone is Dexter's voice. I remember buying Ignition after Ixnay came out and being blown away.
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Okay, everybody on the Fail boat! Perpetual Change has taken the wheel from Nick and is now our captain! :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Lol. I really did try to get into the Incident, though! I swear, I did!!!
Really though, I think Zero Degree of Liberty through Circle of Manias might be the most boring stretch of songs on a PT album ever. I do love those interludes in the beginning, though. Your Unpleasant Family, Kneel and Disconnect and Great Expectations could have all been stellar songs. I really wish they would have fleshed those out instead of writing a bunch of samey-sounding "dark" music for the post-Time Flies portion of the album.
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Pain of Salvation joining that Swedish music contest. Honestly, I don't have an idea why they joined, and probably I wouldn't care because it was disturbing. Of course, PoS cannot go mainstream or sellout just by joining that one contest, but I just didn't like the fact that PoS got exposed to the mainstream crowd.
Edit: Death Magnetic was a disappointment too. It was implied that the album would be their comeback to their old thrash style. Not saying it wasn't good, but after listening to it I realized that this band cannot achieve or even get near their old glory.
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I agree with Zook about The Offspring's latest output. I knew I should have never listened to it :(
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I think I'll add Muse to my list. When The Resistance came out I was expecting OoS/Absolution levels of greatness, especially since Matt said in interviews it would be more classical/orchestral sounding, but also have the harder kind of edge that Origin had. Unfortunately the album did not deliver in these respects, which would have been fine but in every interview he gave, those were the two qualities he always focused on. He never said "we're working more with synths and some dancey parts." Of course, "Undisclosed Desires" is the best song on that album, but most of it was pretty average. Then again, OoS and Absolution set pretty high benchmarks.
I'd almost consider adding Coheed & Cambria to the list, but while there's no "instant classic" Coheed song on YotBR, its still a damn good album. Again, like Muse, when you have perfect albums like IKS and GA1, it sets a very high standard.
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Ah yes, Muse. Add "Black Holes and Revelations" to my list. I remember a conversation I had with my brother (we both love Absolution) when it came out going something like this.
(I spot BH&R in the record store)
Ma Brotha: Dude. Don't get it.
Me: Why not? Knights of Cydonia is awesome. So is Starlight.
Ma Brotha: I know.
Me: So?
Ma Brother: Those are like the only two good songs on there.
Me: Okay, whatever.
(I buy it anyway)
(in the car..., first two tracks go well)
(Supermassive Blackhole comes on)
(I immediate regret my purchase)
After the first two songs, the album COMPLETELY runs out of energy, like a..... spaceship floating through frictionless dead space ;D It's like they were just saving everything they had for Knights.
Soooo yeah. That makes The Resistance more like the nail in the coffin for me. Revelations was a disappointment, but thanks to Resistance I don't even follow Muse anymore.
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Map of the Problematique is the best song on BH&R
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Map of the Problematique is the best song on BH&R
Second after Knights.
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Map of the Problematique is the best song on BH&R
I'll admit there's cool sounding parts there, but nothing that's really interesting enough to carry a full song.
Of course this is all just in my opinion.
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Okay, everybody on the Fail boat! Perpetual Change has taken the wheel from Nick and is now our captain! :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Lol. I really did try to get into the Incident, though! I swear, I did!!!
I hear ya. I just couldn't resist the urge to give you some crap. :hat
As for Muse, I absolutely love Black Holes and Revelations from start to finish. Every song is a gem, if you ask me. I would say The Resistance was more underwhelming than disappointing.
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I hear ya. I think we talked about BH&R before. I know Muse have always been known for playing several different styles of music, and tbh I've never liked everything they do. But it seems lately that they've been focusing on the dancey-synthy styles which I've never really liked. I like the synths, but only over the softer and/or more punky stuff.
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DT's The Shattered Fortress.
That AA suite has featured pretty much all of my favorite songs from each of their respective albums. The final installment was by far the thing I was most anticipating for BC&SL. I remember I got the leak early and started it up. Intro was awesome and I was so excited to see where it was gonna go, then it cuts into the throwbacks from the previous songs and I was cool with it. I figured they would elaborate on these themes maybe, instead what I heard was a mishmash of the older songs that seemed to lack any original content outside of the introduction. While I can understand the value and significance of the recap this song does, I was left in utter disbelief the first time I heard it. I wasn't even sure the song was the real thing, I seriously thought that it was a hoax that someone made up using samples of the older songs.
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I couldn't disagree more. Best song on the album for me :lol
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I don't think its a bad song, I just was extremely disappointed that it wasn't the epic ending to the suite that I had hoped for. I was expecting something like Octavarium was to its album, an original song that incorporated themes from its precursors and wrapped the whole thing up at the same time.
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I think as a finale to the AA suite, it is a bit weak, but I was never a big fan of half of the previous songs anyway, and this song takes some of the best parts from the two previous AA songs I never listen to, so it's all good for me; I am not someone who would ever listen to all five songs in a row, so it doesn't bother me that it might be a bit of an anti-climatic ending to the suite. As a stand-alone song, it is very good, if you ask me.
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I remember I got the leak early and started it up.
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I remember I got the leak early and started it up.
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Cool yer jets, of course I bought it too. Just because you want to hear something early doesn't mean you are stealing it.
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I remember I got the leak early and started it up.
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Cool yer jets, of course I bought it too. Just because you want to hear something early doesn't mean you are stealing it.
2b. With regard to "leaked" material, you are not allowed to discuss the leaking or sharing of an album by any artist, or that an album has leaked. In addition to the above, with regard to Dream Theater and side-projects by the members of Dream Theater, you may not discuss the leaked material whatsoever. For other bands, you can in most cases discuss the content of the leaked material as long as you do not reference the leak, where you obtained the material, or sharing the leaked material.
Nothing personal, just a heads up.
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"The Shattered Fortress" was awesome when I first heard it, and is still awesome now.
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Disappointments:
Kevin Moore leaving Dream Theater - I thought the band was toast (I found out a few months before Awake came out). I didn't fully accept it until I heard Kevin's demos and then understood completetly why he had to leave.
That's a good one. I, too, was pretty disappointed when I found it. And the kicker is, we found out literally minutes before buying tickets to our first DT concert. Nothing like a huge killjoy, eh?
That almost makes me glad to find out when I did. I would have been REALLY pissed if I found out at the show. I can't even imagine what something like that would be like. At least I had time to process it.
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I know this thread was buried big time(!), but I am new and wanted to reply.
My biggest disappointment by far....for those of you who follow this band.....was Redemption "This Mortal Coil". Not because it's horrible.....but for me it was such a dramatic departure from the progression of Fullness to Origins to Snowfall (my favorite).
Most of the songs just seemed like they were just constantly moving forward, with nothing to break them up at all. Let it Rain is the only track I enjoyed. I missed the progressive elements of their previous work......the creative structures to the songs. The guitar tones were muddier, and many felt it sounded overly compressed (similar to Death Magnetic). Nick was pretty defensive about all of that at the time, and I understand why he was proud of the album regardless of those claims. It's what he and the other band members wanted to express at that time, so I certainly don't want to sound like I'm dissing it in that context.
You can tell how I feel about it because I refer to it in past tense. I have tried to go back and give it a fair shake.....but I can't seem to get into it. Thankfully, Art of Loss and Long Night's Journey are more like what I hoped they would sound......though I certainly miss Ray!
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First off, welcome to DTF bro!
This Mortal Coil is actually my favorite Redemption album! :D
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Periphery III: Select Difficulty
Muse - Drones and the latest album
Deftones - Gore (how can you follow up a gem like Koi No Yokan with such a bad album I don't know)
Coheed and Cambria - TCBTS
Nightwish - Endless Forms Most Beautiful
All of these albums I spun like once/twice and then never came back to them except for a song or two.
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Oh man.
Metallica - Death Magnetic
Dream Theater - SC (Minus Redemption)
Pain of Salvation - Road Salts (counting it as one)
Devin Townsend - Z2
Kamelot - Haven
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Devin Townsend - Z2
Sky Blue was very good imo. The Ziltoid disc was indeed very subpar for Devin though.
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Devin Townsend - Z2
Sky Blue was very good imo. The Ziltoid disc was indeed very subpar for Devin though.
They each had good moments, but both sounded really uninspired. Sky Blue felt like "Well, the record company wants another big uplifting album like the last one, so I guess I'll just repeat myself again"
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Reading through this necrothread, I never realized the amount of disappointment there was with The Great Misdirect. That's my favorite BtBaM album and I've been listening to them since The Silent Circus came out, if that means anything to anyone :P
Disappointments for me?
Muse -Drones (holy crap was that album bad)
Coheed and Cambria - The Color Before the Sun (it wasn't terrible, but man was it a massive step down)
AFI - Decemberunderground (just an absolute disappointment after the masterpiece that was Sing the Sorrow)
The Dear Hunter - Migrant (just no. So many great albums preceding this and then we get mediocrity at best)
Marillion - Happiness is the Road (I was excited for another epic double album, similar to Marbles.....this is not the double album I was looking for)
I'm sure I'll think of more later...
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DT: Black Clouds - This was the first DT album release that I was really hyped up for. I knew of the band at the time Systematic Chaos came out, but my obsession with them hadn't begun yet. TCOT was great and ANTR was pretty good too, but the rest was disappointing. Also one of the few DT albums that I think could do with a fair bit of trimming, which is very rare for me.
Muse: The Resistance - Muse had been my favourite band for a good few years (can't quite remember if DT had overtaken them by this point), but this was their first dud. I quite liked Unnatural Selection and Exogenesis, but the rest was just a direction I didn't enjoy for the band. Their latest album is probably worse and I actually enjoyed Drones which came before it, but the singles they released from Simulation Theory before it was released let me know I was probably going to hate it.
Pearl Jam: Backspacer - Their previous self-titled album was the first they had released since I became a proper fan of the band I think and I absolutely loved it, still one of my favourite PJ albums. But Backspacer did nothing for me for some reason.
Interestingly, those first 3 choices all came out within 3 months of each other, not a good time for me with music!
Deftones: Gore - I like all Deftones albums to varying degrees and, like PJ, their previous release (Koi No Yokan) was one of my favourites by the band. For some reason I could just never get in to Gore - I think there's only one song on it that I really enjoy.
Anathema: The Optimist - They were one of my favourite bands at the time this came out and they hadn't put a foot wrong since I'd been a fan. So this one was one of the most surprising and disappointing albums for ages. Didn't feel like there was enough vocals from Vincent and the parts that were there, lacked the feeling and emotion I was used to. A lot of the album just sounded too much like Radiohead for me too.
There are a few others, but I've written enough already! Other disappointments are bands splitting up (System of a Down, Reuben, Isis spring to mind), Ashe O'Hara leaving Tesseract and a lot of setlists of bands I've seen live over the years.
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Easily the biggest was Kiss - Dynasty. Was quite young back then but a huge fan, didn't know what really was going on within the band like I do now. But, what a huge disappointment. The whole sound/production of the album was different, plus the obvious Disco influence. They were pretty much a dead band for me after that. Along with getting into many more better bands at the time.
Judas Priest - Turbo. They went for more of a Pop friendly sound with this release, and after Screaming and Defenders was a major disappointment. No reason to play any of these songs live ever again including Turbo Lover!
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In my 47 years of being a music fanatic, only 2 albums fall into the "biggest disappointment" category. First was Elton John' absolute disaster in 1979 called "Victim Of Love" which was his terrible attempt at disco :loser: and second was in 1982 when Queen released the dreadful "Hot Space". :tdwn
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Leprous - Malina
big time oof
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Van Halen 3
Queensryche - HITNF
Ozzy: No Rest For The Wicked (I grew to like it but was super flat when I realised that Jake E Lee was gone)
Dream Theater : FII
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Most recent ? Muse simulation theory : Already explained in the topic, I will never listen again to any of this.
What I can remember :
-Most french music I hear at the radio is an immediate disappointment
-Liquid trio experiment
-Muse 2nd law except mk ultra
-Metallica post S&M
-Maximum the hormone latest album, nothing compares tu buki kaesu
-From singles the latest babymetal will probably be worse than the 2 firsts
etc
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My biggest disappointment in music was watching the premiere of Megadeth's Crush'Em music video.
That EDM intro, the (for lack of a better term) dumbness of the song, just left me destroyed. I was a BIG Megadeth fan at the time, had seen them twice, loved everything up to Cryptic Writings, so i was absolutely eager to listen to some new Megadeth. What a bummer that was. :lol I had honest to god nightmares about that song. :rollin
Ther are others, like Blind Guardian's A Twist In The Myth (love everything they did up to Nightfall, A Night at The Opera was weird but i kind of liked it), but i can't connect with the newer stuff.
Demons & Wizards second album was a huge disappointment for me, as well. So was Iced Earth's Crucible of Man.
There are others, but these are what i remember right now.
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Preobably dredg's Chuckles album. The Pariah is my favorite album of their by far and I hoped they would've continued in that direction and made another long conceptual album with lots of twists and turns. But then Chuckles happened. I just have no idea what they were thinking and how they felt confident to release it.
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Chuckles and mr. squeezy. I'm still recovering...
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Chuckles and mr. squeezy. I'm still recovering...
I honestly thought it was a joke and that they'd release the "real" album shortly after, but 8 years later...
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Leprous - Malina
big time oof
how could I forget about this
there's like 3 okay songs on that album, that's it
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Van Halen 3
Queensryche - HITNF
I'll agree with those two for sure. Others from the 90s ....
Bon Jovi / These Days
Def Leppard / Adrenalize
Skid Row / Subhuman
U2 / Achtung Baby
Tesla / Bust A Nut
Harem Scarem / Voice of Reason
Maiden / No Prayer for the Dying
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Chad, I would go with Zooropa not Achtung Baby for U2.
For me personally.
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A big 'ditto' on that.
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Chad, I would go with Zooropa not Achtung Baby for U2.
For me personally.
Damn... total brain fart. That's exactly what I meant. There are a couple of 'lows' on Achtung Baby, but nothing that made me disappointed in it. I completely meant Zooropa. There is nothing redeeming about that album (imo).
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I liked Zooropa, & Stay. That's it. The rest is hot garbage.
I did like the soundtrack song "Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me" that was from that sessions but not on the album. I think it was for a Batman movie.
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I like Lemon a lot now, but the live version on the Sydney DVD is my go-to version; that kicks the snot out of the studio version. Dirty Day is a good tune as well.
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Am I the only living individual who loves Babyface from that album?
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Albums I was anticipating that did not hit the mark at all for me:
Rush - Snakes & Arrows
Dream Theater - BC&SL
Evergrey - Monday Morning Apocalypse
Evanescence - The Open Door
Flying Colors - Second Nature
In Flames - A Sense of Purpose
Scar Symmetry - Dark Matter Dimensions
Opeth - Heritage
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I have no disappointments. Everything is as it should be imo.
So the main thrust of my post is...how is it that the forum newbies are willing to dig this deep into the forum archives to find threads that were long long dead and revive them? How the hell do you have the staying power to find stuff like this, more so than established members?
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Damn, so many DTFers that went away.
Turbo, 1984, and The Ultimate Sin.
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Damn, so many DTFers that went away.
Turbo, 1984, and The Ultimate Sin.
Diver Down was a disappointment for me.
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Damn, so many DTFers that went away.
Turbo, 1984, and The Ultimate Sin.
Diver Down was a disappointment for me.
Yeah, I thought about that too. Diver Down had several good songs on it, though. 1984 had Girl Gone Bad and a whole bunch of awfulness. But moreover, the point is realtime, and I wasn't a huge VH fan at that point. I liked Van Halen in general and I hated 1984.
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AFI - Decemberunderground (just an absolute disappointment after the masterpiece that was Sing the Sorrow)
whoa whoa whoa, now that album was a musical shift, but holy cow was/is such an amazing album. Maybe you've come around since then to it? I'm a huge AFI fan boy though.
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1984's tracklist is a tale of two extremes. The hits are great; everything else is dud-worthy, imo
Top Jimmy - meh
Drop Dead Legs - not bad
I'll Wait - terrible ballad; VH's worst ever
Girl Gone Bad - don't even remember it
House of Pain - ditto
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While I didn't live the era (born in 84) looking back I would have thought Diver Down to be the bigger disappointment than 1984.
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1984's tracklist is a tale of two extremes. The hits are great; everything else is dud-worthy, imo
Top Jimmy - meh
Drop Dead Legs - not bad
I'll Wait - terrible ballad; VH's worst ever
Girl Gone Bad - don't even remember it
House of Pain - ditto
This implies that Jump is something other than a steaming pile of shit.
And check out GGB. It might well be a holdover from Diver Down, but it's a good song and at least is sounds like VH.
While I didn't live the era (born in 84) looking back I would have thought Diver Down to be the bigger disappointment than 1984.
Coming off of FW it was certainly a big step down, but it was listenable. Also, the singles were better. If you're getting constant exposure to them on the radio and MTV I think you're better off with Pretty Woman (w/Intruder) and Where have all the Good Times Gone than Jump and I'll Fucking Wait.
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1984's tracklist is a tale of two extremes. The hits are great; everything else is dud-worthy, imo
Top Jimmy - meh
Drop Dead Legs - not bad
I'll Wait - terrible ballad; VH's worst ever
Girl Gone Bad - don't even remember it
House of Pain - ditto
Girl Gone Bad is kind of proggy actually. Best song on an album that I'm not too fond of and super underrated.
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I dont know, I absolutely love Jump so I guess if that's how you feel than yea 1984 would be a dissapointment. I also love Ill Wait.
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I dont know, I absolutely love Jump so I guess if that's how you feel than yea 1984 would be a dissapointment. I also love Ill Wait.
Something else you have to consider it that in that era there was a big pushback against keyboards in what we then considered heavy metal. Ozzy could get away with it because it was all so gothic, but other bands really caught a lot of flack for it (and at the time, rightly so). DD and 1984 were both disappointments, but the latter had that added knock against it.
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I dont know, I absolutely love Jump so I guess if that's how you feel than yea 1984 would be a dissapointment. I also love Ill Wait.
Something else you have to consider it that in that era there was a big pushback against keyboards in what we then considered heavy metal. Ozzy could get away with it because it was all so gothic, but other bands really caught a lot of flack for it (and at the time, rightly so). DD and 1984 were both disappointments, but the latter had that added knock against it.
Yea true and Bruce Dickinson saying how keys aren't metal :lol
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I dont know, I absolutely love Jump so I guess if that's how you feel than yea 1984 would be a dissapointment. I also love Ill Wait.
Something else you have to consider it that in that era there was a big pushback against keyboards in what we then considered heavy metal. Ozzy could get away with it because it was all so gothic, but other bands really caught a lot of flack for it (and at the time, rightly so). DD and 1984 were both disappointments, but the latter had that added knock against it.
Yea true and Bruce Dickinson saying how keys aren't metal :lol
The problem was that they really weren't back then. Bands have certainly learned how to use them to that effect, but back then they were generally used to move in a more poppy, commercially successful direction. VH, and to a lesser extent Priest were prime examples of that. Maiden got away with incorporating synths because, at the end of the day they still sounded like Maiden.
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Yea I could see that and totally see myself as someone hard to win over when you add synths had I lived that era.
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Disappointment might be a strong word, given that I'm usually content with a band that I love at some point dropping something that's sub-pair. They can't all be winners. That being said, there were quite a few such occurrences, especially in recent years. I'll try to go chronologically, starting from 2011:
Symphony X - Iconoclast
MGMT - MGMT
Gamma Ray - Empire of the undead
Judas Priest - Redeemer of souls
Pink Floyd - The Endless river
Coldplay - A Head full of dreams
They Might Be Giants - Phone power
Weezer - Pacific daydream
The Decemberists - I'll be your girl
Muse - Simulation theory
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First off, welcome to DTF bro!
This Mortal Coil is actually my favorite Redemption album! :D
Thanks.....and..... I'm sure the band would appreciate that!
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Disappointment might be a strong word, given that I'm usually content with a band that I love at some point dropping something that's sub-pair. They can't all be winners. That being said, there were quite a few such occurrences, especially in recent years. I'll try to go chronologically, starting from 2011:
Symphony X - Iconoclast
MGMT - MGMT
Gamma Ray - Empire of the undead
Judas Priest - Redeemer of souls
Pink Floyd - The Endless river
Coldplay - A Head full of dreams
They Might Be Giants - Phone power
Weezer - Pacific daydream
The Decemberists - I'll be your girl
Muse - Simulation theory
I love Pacific Daydream. Damn.
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AFI - Decemberunderground (just an absolute disappointment after the masterpiece that was Sing the Sorrow)
whoa whoa whoa, now that album was a musical shift, but holy cow was/is such an amazing album. Maybe you've come around since then to it? I'm a huge AFI fan boy though.
Considering the trash that AFI has put out since, yeah I've come around to it a bit more. But at the time, coming off StS, I just didn't know how to process it. To me, it's still not an AFI album I reach for very often.
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I dont know, I absolutely love Jump so I guess if that's how you feel than yea 1984 would be a dissapointment. I also love Ill Wait.
Something else you have to consider it that in that era there was a big pushback against keyboards in what we then considered heavy metal. Ozzy could get away with it because it was all so gothic, but other bands really caught a lot of flack for it (and at the time, rightly so). DD and 1984 were both disappointments, but the latter had that added knock against it.
I remember MTV premiered Jump on NYE 83-84. I stayed at my grandmother's house because she had cable (she lived in the city, we lived in the boonies). I remember seeing it for the first time thinking WTF'nF was that??
Bart, 1984 has a bunch of great tunes. Hot For Teacher, House Of Pain, Top Jimmy, Drop Dead Legs, and Girl Gone Bad.
DD was quite weak. After The Full Bug, and maybe Little Guitars, there's not much there.
The Ultimate Sin.
100% agreement.
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Bark At The Moon for me. That album is a bore.
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No way. It's awesome!!!
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Not for me. A few songs were great but on a whole. It was such a disappointment for me.
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Oh boy.
Man, you just don't go from my 2nd favorite band at a time to "I'm not that excited for a new album from them anymore." without releasing a really disappointing album and Shinedown did that with Threat to Survival. They didn't fare any better with the follow up in the form of ATTENTION ATTENTION (it's actually titled in all caps). That band that created three great albums in Leave a Whisper, Us and Them, and Sound of Madness was gone to me at this point.
Also, 2010 me thought that Alter Bridge's AB III was a disappointment (but then again the follow-up to a tremendous album, Blackbird, would be hard to live up to for them). Then 2011 me got a huge dose of harsh reality that made me relate hard to the lyrical content of AB III and then a lot of those songs really helped lifted my spirits up in those hard times (especially Life Must Go On).
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I dont know, I absolutely love Jump so I guess if that's how you feel than yea 1984 would be a dissapointment. I also love Ill Wait.
Something else you have to consider it that in that era there was a big pushback against keyboards in what we then considered heavy metal. Ozzy could get away with it because it was all so gothic, but other bands really caught a lot of flack for it (and at the time, rightly so). DD and 1984 were both disappointments, but the latter had that added knock against it.
Yea true and Bruce Dickinson saying how keys aren't metal :lol
The problem was that they really weren't back then. Bands have certainly learned how to use them to that effect, but back then they were generally used to move in a more poppy, commercially successful direction. VH, and to a lesser extent Priest were prime examples of that. Maiden got away with incorporating synths because, at the end of the day they still sounded like Maiden.
El Barto is spot-fucking on here. It was ballsy (and not really in a good way) for Dio to come right out the gate with "Rainbow In The Dark", and while he played it, it was way heavier live and Claude Schnell spent the first two tours playing keys from behind a curtain on the back of the stage. I probably have 10 albums from that era that have "No Keyboards!" in the liner notes.
Maiden (and Priest) both used them on one album, and both noticeably came back with WAY heavier albums.
For me:
First and foremost: Marillion "Holidays In Eden" and Fish's "Internal Exile". I was a MASSIVE Marillion fan then, I listened to Clutching as much or more than any album in my collection. It's still a top five record ever for me. With "Season's End" and ""Vigil" I knew the world wasn't like it was, but there was promise there, and the world would... then those two duds came out and I knew the world would never be the same. I think the worst part of it? I though at least with Marillion, we'd have the music and at least with Fish we'd have the words; and yet "Holidays..." was a light-weight poppy mess, with all of about 6 minutes of prog on it (part of "Waiting To Happen" and parts of the "This Town" suite), and most of "...Exile" was a wordy, complicated mess. Only "Credo" stands the test of time for me.
Areosmith: Get A Grip; not that it was bad, because the progression to commercial was relatively gradual (and Pump RULED). But the rest of the album was soulless compared to the lead single, "Living On The Edge". A real letdown that you could hear they were trying too hard.
Ozzy: Bark At The Moon; despite Coz's enlightening me to the solo, I still think Bark At The Moon is one of Ozzy's worst songs ever, and while I've come to appreciate the deeper cuts a lot, it's still a sorry followup to Diary Of A Madman (one of my top five albums of all time).
Priest: Ram It Down; I got Turbo, and gave it a pass. It's not nearly as bad as some make it out to be. Ram It Down is. If you need to make a "mettle" (because that's how Rob pronounces it) statement, it's not "Johnny B. Goode". Still don't care for that record.
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Ozzy: Bark At The Moon; despite Coz's enlightening me to the solo, I still think Bark At The Moon is one of Ozzy's worst songs ever, and while I've come to appreciate the deeper cuts a lot, it's still a sorry followup to Diary Of A Madman (one of my top five albums of all time).
It's not a sorry follow up. I mean Blizzard and Diary are two of the most iconic albums of that era. Of any era in metal, really.
It's hard to live up to that. I get it.
But it is still easily Ozzy's 3rd best album and I don't even think it's close. No More Tears is pretty strong too. Especially when you consider the humongous dropdown that is The Ultimate Sin.
Bark At the Moon wins just for Waiting For Darkness, which is a Top 3 Ozzy tune for me, along with Diary and Mr TAC.
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I can get on board with Get a Grip. Pump is 5* pretty much top to bottom (the 'hits' are the lesser ranked ones). Stevie and the boys went full-on commercial appeal with Get A Grip. The radio hits on that one are so tiresome.
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I mostly agree, but I still enjoy Cryin' a little, and it goes without saying that Livin' on the Edge freaking smokes.
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Re The Ultimate Sin I love it.
I think to some extent we all favour important albums in our lives and often the first album we bought from a certain artist and for me TUS is both. My first Ozzy album and really my first "metal" album. So I didn't have the context of the Randy albums to compare to and I was 11 years old.
I was mostly interested in the guy on the left - not the singer in the weird sparkly gear.
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My memory for things isn't great but I remember watching the Lightning Strikes video for the first time and just loving his playing , his look etc.......and racing out with my Dad to buy the album. When he saw the cover art (another thing I loved) he was a bit iffy. It was almost the last straw when I asked if I could buy the album behind it in the rack
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I do sort of understand the issues with the glammy look and a few more commercial songs vs past albums but to me The Ultimate Sin has a heavier guitar sound than BATM so I can only assume that the claims of it being soft are related to the songwriting. I like both albums but have never really understood the idea that BATM is heavy and TUS is soft.
Anyway........my love for the album is/was based around the guitar playing in large part and I cannot imagine there is too much argument about the quality of that. Jake is just on fire and I was really pissed when he left the band for the next album.
I'll leave you with a link to the solo section of Never - there is more feeling in that one bent transition note as he bends and then vibratos the hell out of it ( or whahibridopickingants the hell out of it) than in most whole albums I hear these days. He was a guitar God for those couple of Ozzy albums.
https://youtu.be/r7Sg0B9EfTo?t=159
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Cherry picked the Def Lep one. They died for me after Hysteria. That one is a good call.
Def Leppard / Adrenalize
These next ones all came right to me after just seeing the criteria for the thread.
Opeth - Heritage
Incubus - Everything after Crow
DT - I have 3:
- Octavarium tour, Congress Theatre Chicago - James was so off, I decided then and there to never pay to see them live again. I didn't enjoy myself at all and was tired of his subpar performances.
- A Dramatic Turn of Events
- The Astonishing
I will say that I did see DT when they opened for Maiden. They stuck to a metal setlist and James sounded fine, but I attribute that to him singing the lower, angrier vocals.
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Ozzy: Bark At The Moon; despite Coz's enlightening me to the solo, I still think Bark At The Moon is one of Ozzy's worst songs ever, and while I've come to appreciate the deeper cuts a lot, it's still a sorry followup to Diary Of A Madman (one of my top five albums of all time).
It's not a sorry follow up. I mean Blizzard and Diary are two of the most iconic albums of that era. Of any era in metal, really.
It's hard to live up to that. I get it.
But it is still easily Ozzy's 3rd best album and I don't even think it's close. No More Tears is pretty strong too. Especially when you consider the humongous dropdown that is The Ultimate Sin.
Bark At the Moon wins just for Waiting For Darkness, which is a Top 3 Ozzy tune for me, along with Diary and Mr TAC.
Now, yes. I love that album, save "So Tired", the rest of Side One after the title track is killer in my view. Agreed on Waiting For Darkness. At the time, though, I preferred The Ultimate Sin though; I think it was Jake coming into his own, and other than the "hit", it's a pretty solid rock record ("Fool Like You" is KILLER).
I can get on board with Get a Grip. Pump is 5* pretty much top to bottom (the 'hits' are the lesser ranked ones). Stevie and the boys went full-on commercial appeal with Get A Grip. The radio hits on that one are so tiresome.
It's sad, because they're actually good at the ballads, from all the way back to "Season's Of Wither" and "You See Me Crying'". I like "Nine Lives", but for me, big picture, they never recovered.
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Blur: Self titled through Think Tank. It's fine to evolve and change but these were too different for my liking.
The Incident
I don't feel some of DT's albums are disappointments, they're just OK.
Warpaint's 2nd and 3rd albums are not as good as their first, so that's a disappointment
Metallica: Load through Anger. Love the last 2
Green Day: post Dookie up to AI
Catherine Wheel: Adam And Eve. LOVE the first three albums then they went soft
Radiohead: Post Kid A. Almost 20 years of this weird sleepy shit. ROCK!!!
Fat Boys: Crushin and beyond
Duran Duran: Notorious through Pop Trash. No magic without the main 5.
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Radiohead: Post Kid A. Almost 20 years of this weird sleepy shit. ROCK!!!
What? I wouldn't call Kid A much of a straight "rock" album. Hail to the Thief fits that more than it. And A Moon Shaped Pool was fantastic.
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Some Dream Theater albums have been better than others. While I've not always been impressed with some albums on first listen, with time they've grown on me. I absolutely hated 6DOIT when it came out, but now I think it's one of my favourites. Others that I liked at first have lost some of their sparkle since, while some I loved at first listen and still love now.
But the single biggest disappointment from any band or artist ever has to be:
The Astonishing.
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I absolutely hated 6DOIT when it came out, but now I think it's one of my favourites. Others that I liked at first have lost some of their sparkle since, while some I loved at first listen and still love now.
But the single biggest disappointment from any band or artist ever has to be:
The Astonishing.
I agree with much of that. I hated Disc 1 of SDOIT so much that I didnt even play Disc 2 (which I like much more) for many years ::) I had grown gradually more and more disappointed with DT since Awake and it was do or die for them at that stage. I did grow to like that album enough that it's mid tier for me now. I have been back on board much more with DT since Mangini arrived and things got more melodic again - but yeah..........The Astonishing wasn't my cuppa tea either , even allowing for 2 or 3 songs I did like quite a bit.
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That whole keyboards aren't metal thing was stupid back then and is stupid now, especially considering that some of the pioneers of that genre used keyboards a lot like Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin and even Black Sabbath had some synths on their records. Good thing we prog-heads aren't close-minded. ;D
And reading this thread I realize again how different music tastes are, even among fans of the same band (not that this is something new).
VH's 1984 is a killer record imo. Panama, Top Jimmy, Drop Dead Legs, I'll Wait (what a cool guitar solo !!!) are top tracks and Jump, Hot For Teacher (although silly) and House Of Pain are still very good. The only obviously (imo) filler is Girl Gone Bad, one of the worst songs in VH history.
Regarding my own disappointments:
The obvious ones:
Queensryche - HITNF
Metallica - St. Anger
Iron Maiden - Virtual IX
Yes - Open Your Eyes and The Ladder
Opeth: Heritage
And the (maybe) not so obvious ones:
Spock's Beard - Snow: The expectations were very high after the stellar V and then this overlong, boring and not really proggy record with a strange story comes out. And this turned out to be the swan song for Neal Morse led Spock's Beard. Many will disagree but this is clearly at the bottom of SB's discography.
Edit: and whoever said Tesla's Bust A Nut and Aerosmith's Get A Grip, I have to disagree, both are killer records for me.
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I was honestly expecting more blowback from Ultimate Sin than 1984. I'm not a big fan of Bark, either. At the same time that's largely because it follows up Ozzy's masterpiece, and I'm not inclined to hold that against it. TUS just didn't work for me.
That whole keyboards aren't metal thing was stupid back then and is stupid now, especially considering that some of the pioneers of that genre used keyboards a lot like Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin and even Black Sabbath had some synths on their records. Good thing we prog-heads aren't close-minded. ;D
Yeah, but few of us were real prog-heads back in 1983. But more to the point, what Deep Purple was doing with keyboards was very different than what Priest did. That Hammond/Marshall sound was heavy as fuck, as was Jon Lord. What EVH was doing just sounded like cheesy pop synths. Same with Priest. They had moved their sound in a starkly different direction. One that wasn't appealing to people brought up on The Cradle Will Rock and Unchained.
And it might have been Stadler that brought up Rainbow in the Dark. It's worth noting that Dio fucking hated that song. Didn't want it on the album and didn't like playing it every night. He did because he was fucking Dio and knew the fans wanted to hear it, but if it were up to him it never would have existed, and I can only imagine the poppy keyboards were the biggest reason why.
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I guess it wasn't a big disappointment, because I did not expect too much, but Yes - Heaven & Earth comes to mind first. Wow that album sucked.
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El Barto is spot-fucking on here. It was ballsy (and not really in a good way) for Dio to come right out the gate with "Rainbow In The Dark", and while he played it, it was way heavier live and Claude Schnell spent the first two tours playing keys from behind a curtain on the back of the stage. I probably have 10 albums from that era that have "No Keyboards!" in the liner notes.
Maiden (and Priest) both used them on one album, and both noticeably came back with WAY heavier albums.
Well...Maiden used guitar and bass synthesizers on Somewhere in Time and on SSOASS. That they also used an actual keyboard as the input interface on the latter seems to be a distinction without a difference. Same with Priest on Turbo and Ram It Down, and in Priest's case, Turbo was the far more keyboard-y sounding album. In my view -- and I think this is general consensus -- Ram It Down was far superior to Turbo, although I agree that it had a handful of clunkers. Similarly, while SSOASS had lots of clunkers, No Prayer for the Dying was the weakest of the Dianno/Dicknoson I era albums by a country mile (even though it might have been heavier than SSOASS).
As far as the original topic of the thread:
Styx - Kilroy Was Here: This is more of a retrospective opinion. At the time, I liked it well enough, but I didn't know enough at the time to truly understand how disappointing it was. Looking back, it's easy to see it as the album that killed what was, at that time, my favorite band.
Rush - Roll the Bones: Such a massive disappointment after the bounceback album that was Presto.
Dream Theater - Falling into Infinity: I've written volumes in other threads.
Dream Theater - Systematic Chaos: After SFAM, 6DOIT, TOT and 8VA, it felt like DT could do no wrong. This album proved that hypothesis to be wrong.
Judas Priest - Turbo: It's the only Priest album I didn't replace on CD when I trashed my vinyl records.
Fates Warning - Disconnected: This is a little unfair given that it followed up a masterpiece, but it never grabbed me, although it has a couple good songs. Although I liked FWX even less, I think Disconnected is more disappointing just because it was such a letdown after APSOG.
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Radiohead: Post Kid A. Almost 20 years of this weird sleepy shit. ROCK!!!
What? I wouldn't call Kid A much of a straight "rock" album. Hail to the Thief fits that more than it. And A Moon Shaped Pool was fantastic.
Not to speak for dparrott, but my interpretation of his post was, "Instead of releasing sleepy music, Radiohead should rock." I, of course, totally disagree with that line of thinking. Radiohead has done plenty of rock tunes since Kid A, but rocking out like they did in the 90's is not who they are anymore, and I'd rather a band be true to themselves rather than trying to appease fans who can only handle their music done a certain way.
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Maiden (and Priest) both used them on one album, and both noticeably came back with WAY heavier albums.
Uhh... there's plenty of synths on Seventh Son too. Although Iron Maiden used them more in the sense of creating athmosphere (I think Moonchild is the only song from that era that has a melody played on a synthetisizer). As for the heaviness, I'm not sure which album you're referencing here, but I don't think Seventh Son is that much heavier than SIT, and No Prayer veered off into more hard rock-y direction.
On the topic:
Disappointments:
DT12
Ministry - AmeriKKKant
Slight disappointments:
Nine Inch Nails - Hesitation Marks
Deftones - Gore
WTF is this shit?:
Queensrÿche - Dedicated to Chaos
Some extra assorted thoughts... Resistance Is Futile by Manic Street Preachers wasn't really memorable, but I didn't have any expectations whatsoever. I should probably giving DT12 another chance, I remember hating The Bigger Picture intensely when it came out but I gave it a listen quite lately and it wasn't half bad. Come to think of it... probably all the albums I've mentioned would deserve another chance... except for Dedicated to Chaos. :biggrin:
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I was honestly expecting more blowback from Ultimate Sin than 1984. I'm not a big fan of Bark, either. At the same time that's largely because it follows up Ozzy's masterpiece, and I'm not inclined to hold that against it. TUS just didn't work for me.
That whole keyboards aren't metal thing was stupid back then and is stupid now, especially considering that some of the pioneers of that genre used keyboards a lot like Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin and even Black Sabbath had some synths on their records. Good thing we prog-heads aren't close-minded. ;D
Yeah, but few of us were real prog-heads back in 1983. But more to the point, what Deep Purple was doing with keyboards was very different than what Priest did. That Hammond/Marshall sound was heavy as fuck, as was Jon Lord. What EVH was doing just sounded like cheesy pop synths. Same with Priest. They had moved their sound in a starkly different direction. One that wasn't appealing to people brought up on The Cradle Will Rock and Unchained.
And it might have been Stadler that brought up Rainbow in the Dark. It's worth noting that Dio fucking hated that song. Didn't want it on the album and didn't like playing it every night. He did because he was fucking Dio and knew the fans wanted to hear it, but if it were up to him it never would have existed, and I can only imagine the poppy keyboards were the biggest reason why.
For those of us at the time, we were closer to the Deep Purple where Jon Lord was the "rhythm guitar" of Deep Purple; listen to "Last Concert From Japan" where Bolin is basically standing there looking pretty while all the riffage is done by Lord. Also, "Perfect Strangers". El Barto is correct that it is apples and oranges.
He's also right about Dio. "Holy Diver" was the first single, not RitD.
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Iron Maiden - X Factor. I went from being one of the biggest Maiden fans, I have a lot of the vinyl singles from back in the day, to not even buying Virtual XI. I really hated this album. So repetitive and Blaze is incredibly monotone. I remember the first time I listened to this I felt like I'd been punched in the stomach.
Queensryche - HITNF and Q2K. Another band that could do no wrong. Until they did.
Van Halen - III. I loved Van Halen and Extreme. This was a no-brainer. What a great album this would be! Hmmm. Not so much.
There are probably others, but these are the standouts.
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Interesting topic. I only have a few:
Dream Theater - The Astonishing
Not trying to add more flack to this album than it's already gotten. But I remember being so excited for the release, what with the fun promotional roll-out and having really enjoyed DT12 at the time. My first listen left little impression on me, and the more chances I gave it, the more of a slog it just felt as a whole.
Agalloch - The Serpent & The Sphere
Their last album before they disbanded, this is probably my least favorite in the band's discography. The Mantle is one of my favorite metal albums of all time, and Marrow of the Spirit was great as well, and left me really looking forward to what they would do next. This album, though, just felt like a generic and by the numbers retread of what the band has done before. It has some good moments but was mostly just painfully average for me.
American Football - American Football (2016)
For the longest time, the band's 1999 midwest emo classic remained the only full length album in their catalog, and then came the announcement of a new one to come in 2016. I was so hopeful, but what we got was something of an average Owen record in disguise. Many of the songs just kind of blend together and lack the strong staying power as their debut.
Tortoise - The Catastrophist
From post-rock legends Tortoise, in 2016 we got this underwhelming collection of middling post-rock and electronic tracks. It has some good ideas, but the few it has get strung out for longer than needed and overstay their welcome. At worst it gets grating. At best, it's just forgettable.
Arcade Fire - Everything Now
When I first heard the track Chemistry off of this thing, i simply could not believe what i was listening to. If you're gonna go make dance tunes, then hit me with actually catchy hooks and some bright and punchy production, not broken grooves washed with reverb.
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Van Halen - III. I loved Van Halen and Extreme. This was a no-brainer. What a great album this would be! Hmmm. Not so much.
Yeah, I forgot about this one; it's an easy record to pile on in hindsight, but in real time it really was a disappointment. I'm a HUGE Cherone fan and it seemed like the best of both worlds; he could bring the songwriting of Sammy, but maybe some of the cheek and humor of Dave ("Decadence Dance", "Suzi...") and it didn't happen that way.
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BOSTON. They had four previous albums that were top notch, and then they decided to release a udder pile of crap called Corporate America.
I don't know what Tom Scholz was thinking, but letting Kimberly Dahme and Anthony Cosmo (Fran Cosmo's son) write some songs for that album was the worst idea in the long sad history of bad ideas! Brad Delp only sang on some of the tracks, he was alive and well at the time and should have been top priority. It's an abomination I tell you, an ABOMINATION! :chill
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Queensryche - HITNF and Q2K. Another band that could do no wrong. Until they did.
For me, it's Promised Land. Empire was a bit of a letdown after O:M, but it was still good, and I was hoping for something special with PL. Instead, I got two good songs and a pile of hot garbage.
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Queensryche - HITNF and Q2K. Another band that could do no wrong. Until they did.
For me, it's Promised Land. Empire was a bit of a letdown after O:M, but it was still good, and I was hoping for something special with PL. Instead, I got two good songs and a pile of hot garbage.
Thank you, brother.
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For me, it's Promised Land. Empire was a bit of a letdown after O:M, but it was still good, and I was hoping for something special with PL. Instead, I got two good songs and a pile of hot garbage.
That's weird. I got one of the greatest records I've ever heard. Maybe you got a wrong copy of Promised Land or something...:P
Arcade Fire - Everything Now
When I first heard the track Chemistry off of this thing, i simply could not believe what i was listening to. If you're gonna go make dance tunes, then hit me with actually catchy hooks and some bright and punchy production, not broken grooves washed with reverb.
That album is a mixed bag for me. The middle of it is not good and has some of their worst songs ever, but it starts and ends great. The title track, Signs of Life, Creature Comfort, Put Your Money on Me and We Don't Deserve Love are all major keepers.
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For me, it's Promised Land. Empire was a bit of a letdown after O:M, but it was still good, and I was hoping for something special with PL. Instead, I got two good songs and a pile of hot garbage.
That's weird. I got one of the greatest records I've ever heard. Maybe you got a wrong copy of Promised Land or something...:P
For whatever reason, I very specifically recall my then girlfriend/now wife buying PL for me for my first birthday after we started living together (it was released about 10 days before my birthday, and I'm not sure I knew it was in the works). I listened to it a few times, and it didn't grab me, so it sat on the shelf for a LONG time. I checked it out again after seeing QR open for Heaven & Hell in October 2007, but really only liked "I Am I" and "Damaged," but it went back on the shelf pretty quickly. Last year, I gave it a really deep listen, but my opinion didn't change.
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That's what the kids nowadays call TAC-like fail. :biggrin:
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Like you even know what kids today are even saying! :lol
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And you do? :biggrin:
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Arcade Fire - Everything Now
When I first heard the track Chemistry off of this thing, i simply could not believe what i was listening to. If you're gonna go make dance tunes, then hit me with actually catchy hooks and some bright and punchy production, not broken grooves washed with reverb.
That album is a mixed bag for me. The middle of it is not good and has some of their worst songs ever, but it starts and ends great. The title track, Signs of Life, Creature Comfort, Put Your Money on Me and We Don't Deserve Love are all major keepers.
Admittedly, the first few and the last few tracks aren't awful or anything. But none resonated with me like the band's other work has. Even with this new direction they seem to be going in, it was done very well in certain tracks on Reflektor (such as the title track and Orpheus).
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And you do? :biggrin:
:lol
Hell no!
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And you do? :biggrin:
I assume, when it comes to all you guys, the kids are saying "GET THE HELL AWAY WEIRDO!"
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Are you calling me a weirdo?
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Are you calling me a weirdo?
I speak for the children.
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Are you calling me a weirdo?
I speak for the children.
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Radiohead: Post Kid A. Almost 20 years of this weird sleepy shit. ROCK!!!
What? I wouldn't call Kid A much of a straight "rock" album. Hail to the Thief fits that more than it. And A Moon Shaped Pool was fantastic.
Not to speak for dparrott, but my interpretation of his post was, "Instead of releasing sleepy music, Radiohead should rock." I, of course, totally disagree with that line of thinking. Radiohead has done plenty of rock tunes since Kid A, but rocking out like they did in the 90's is not who they are anymore, and I'd rather a band be true to themselves rather than trying to appease fans who can only handle their music done a certain way.
It seems they can still rock in concert just fine, just not on record.
And "plenty of rock tunes"? Really? Not that I've heard. Yea Thief was more return to the past, but that's basically it. I'm not saying their music isn't good I'm just saying it's just feels the same every album. It could be a balance of both styles.
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And "plenty of rock tunes"? Really? Not that I've heard. Yea Thief was more return to the past, but that's basically it. I'm not saying their music isn't good I'm just saying it's just feels the same every album. It could be a balance of both styles.
Okay, but if they kept doing records like The Bends and OK Computer, which would have made some happy, one could argue that those albums sounded the same, even though those two albums really do not. In other words, while Radiohead has had a prevalent sound ever since Kid A, they do a lot of different things with it within that context to where saying it feels the same every album seems unfair. To look at the the last three, In Rainbows, The King of Limbs and A Moon Shaped Pool all feel like very different albums.
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Starship.
I mean, you've got GRACE F*CKING SLICK in your band and you get her to take a back seat while Mickey Thomas sings all the vocals. WTF were they thinking??? No wonder she left.
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Opeth......Ghost Revieres and Watershed were damn near perfect albums..... everything released since then, not for me.
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Opeth......Ghost Revieres and Watershed were damn near perfect albums..... everything released since then, not for me.
Ah yes, how could I forget about opeth.... Everything they have done since watershed has been more and more disappointing. They need to get their heads out of their asses.
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Opeth......Ghost Revieres and Watershed were damn near perfect albums..... everything released since then, not for me.
Ah yes, how could I forget about opeth.... Everything they have done since watershed has been more and more disappointing. They need to get their heads out of their asses.
I'm not a big fan of their last 3 and if they keep making albums like this my interest will probably drop more, BUT I do think it's better for them to keep making music that they are passionate about than to revert back to their old style just to appease some fans. I don't really have any interest in the 70s revival retro style they've been channeling, but credit to them for doing something different.
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And "plenty of rock tunes"? Really? Not that I've heard. Yea Thief was more return to the past, but that's basically it. I'm not saying their music isn't good I'm just saying it's just feels the same every album. It could be a balance of both styles.
Okay, but if they kept doing records like The Bends and OK Computer, which would have made some happy, one could argue that those albums sounded the same, even though those two albums really do not. In other words, while Radiohead has had a prevalent sound ever since Kid A, they do a lot of different things with it within that context to where saying it feels the same every album seems unfair. To look at the the last three, In Rainbows, The King of Limbs and A Moon Shaped Pool all feel like very different albums.
They do have a thread running through them though: they're horrible. (Just kidding, my opinion only. Not a fan at all. And I don't say this to shit on people's parade, but it's relevant to the thread, since for all the accolades, it's a sort of disappointment to just not get it.)
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I've remembered another disappontment:
Audioslave's second and especially third records.
I love the first album, and i thought they could actually develop their sound in the subsequent releases, but the other records seemed (lack of a better term) totally phoned in.
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Starship.
I mean, you've got GRACE F*CKING SLICK in your band and you get her to take a back seat while Mickey Thomas sings all the vocals. WTF were they thinking??? No wonder she left.
Yeah, but with excellent songs like "We Built This City" it was worth it, no?
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Starship.
I mean, you've got GRACE F*CKING SLICK in your band and you get her to take a back seat while Mickey Thomas sings all the vocals. WTF were they thinking??? No wonder she left.
Yeah, but with excellent songs like "We Built This City" it was worth it, no?
:lol :lol, exactly.
The style of music the Starship made aside, while Grace Slick might be a legend, Mickey Thomas was one helluva singer, so it's not like they shoved her aside for some hack.
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Opeth......Ghost Revieres and Watershed were damn near perfect albums..... everything released since then, not for me.
Ah yes, how could I forget about opeth.... Everything they have done since watershed has been more and more disappointing. They need to get their heads out of their asses.
I'm not a big fan of their last 3 and if they keep making albums like this my interest will probably drop more, BUT I do think it's better for them to keep making music that they are passionate about than to revert back to their old style just to appease some fans. I don't really have any interest in the 70s revival retro style they've been channeling, but credit to them for doing something different.
Ditto for me.
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Opeth......Ghost Revieres and Watershed were damn near perfect albums..... everything released since then, not for me.
Ah yes, how could I forget about opeth.... Everything they have done since watershed has been more and more disappointing. They need to get their heads out of their asses.
I'm not a big fan of their last 3 and if they keep making albums like this my interest will probably drop more, BUT I do think it's better for them to keep making music that they are passionate about than to revert back to their old style just to appease some fans. I don't really have any interest in the 70s revival retro style they've been channeling, but credit to them for doing something different.
I don't disagree with any of this. If they are making the music that they want to, them more power to them. I would prefer they go back to the style of Ghost Reveries, but even if they never do, there are plenty of bands still doing that style that I love.
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Ranked from biggest disappointment to tiny bumps:
When MP left DT and the subsequent release of ADTOE: The disappointment was so great, I couldn't listen to DT for like a full year.
Sonata Arctica releases Stones Grow Her Name: the only songs I liked were reworks or straight up re-recordings of their/Tony's old songs and it bothered me immensely, add to that a few absolute clunkers (I Have A Right, Don't Be Mean) and... yeah. I saw Unia in real time and managed to digest it and love it much faster than this half baked platter of mediocrity. Thank god they recuperated from that.
Daniel Gildenlow's years of meandering between Road Salt Two and ITPLOD: okay, to be fair, he spent a few of those years in a hospital, but starting from the split with Johan Hallgren, Pain Of Salvation couldn't do anything right for me. Sadly, the pattern continues - even though PoS published a great album, Daniel also unceremoniously fired the person who was responsible for a lot of the best moments on the album, and then brought Johan back and you know he's gonna leave again and when that happens I'll hate Daniel even more for firing Ragnar. Bleh.
Leverage releases new music (that I've been waiting for for 9 whole years), with a new singer who doesn't fit at all: None of you have heard about them so that's just me venting.
Kamelot releases their worst album yet, The Shadow Theory: ugh change something please!
Wintersun releases their procrastination save album, sounds like something Jari cooked up in his kitchen while panicking that people aren't buying his excuses about why Time II doesn't exist in the material world just yet: This was lame as fuck, just say the dog ate your Time II demos USB or something.
Fates Warning releases first album in nine years, is kinda bad: I didn't like Darkness in a Different Light, shoot me?
Amorphis Amorphising repetitively on The Beginning Of Time: If Amorphis ever went downhill, this would be the moment I'd pinpoint as the beginning of the end. Luckily they added some fresh elements back into their music and all has been well for 7 years and three albums.
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Leverage releases new music (that I've been waiting for for 9 whole years), with a new singer who doesn't fit at all: None of you have heard about them so that's just me venting.
Wrong :) A few of the hard rock thread guys (incl me) like them - Blind Fire was a favourite back in the day.
If you haven't already you might like to check out The Magnificent (a project Torsti did with the singer from Circus Maximus)
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Leverage releases new music (that I've been waiting for for 9 whole years), with a new singer who doesn't fit at all: None of you have heard about them so that's just me venting.
Wrong :) A few of the hard rock thread guys (incl me) like them - Blind Fire was a favourite back in the day.
Yeah, I actually got it in my roulette from Jon (Big Hath) and enjoyed both the song he gave me (Wolf and the Moon) and the Circus Collossus album. I should check out Blind Fire, I guess.
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Yay, loving the Leverage love!
Wrong :) A few of the hard rock thread guys (incl me) like them - Blind Fire was a favourite back in the day.
If you haven't already you might like to check out The Magnificent (a project Torsti did with the singer from Circus Maximus)
Man, Blind Fire was my jam too - I remember checking their Myspace between the first and the second record, listening to live recordings... good times!
I checked it out during the great drought, it was quite alright. Eriksen is one of my fave singers.
I should check out Blind Fire, I guess.
Yes, you should!
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Amorphis Amorphising repetitively on The Beginning Of Time: If Amorphis ever went downhill, this would be the moment I'd pinpoint as the beginning of the end. Luckily they added some fresh elements back into their music and all has been well for 7 years and three albums.
I was thinking about posting this but eventually didn't find it big enough of a disappointment. The band themselves actually noticed they were in danger of going into autopilot territory, so they changed the production crew and studio for Circle.
One considerable disappointment I can think of is the departure of Cygnus from Ne Obliviscaris, and the reasons behind it in particular. While Urn is a pretty good album, his absence can be heard a bit too clearly because his style of bass playing stands out from your usual tech-death approach.
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Fates Warning releases first album in nine years, is kinda bad: I didn't like Darkness in a Different Light, shoot me?
I won't shoot you, and opinions are opinions, but DIADL is miles better than either Disconnected or FWX! In fact, I cited Disconnected as a huge disappointment earlier in the thread.
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I consider Disconnected an EP. :lol
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DT - 8VM
DT - Systematic Chaos (yes I felt like it there was a let-down, and then a further let-down)
dredg - Chuckles (I get that it wasn't a proper dredg album, and I do see it as an experiment, but still...)
Aerosmith - Get a Grip
Def Leppard - Adrenalize
Metallica - ReLoad
Queensryche - Q2K
Tesla - Bust a Nut
Opeth - Heritage (I respect what they're doing, I just don't necessarily enjoy it)
U2 -Zooropa
Blackfield - Welcome to my DNA
Pixies - Head Carrier
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Aerosmith - Get a Grip
OK, I get that long-time 'Smith fans didn't like the more commercial direction they took here, but surely the correct answer is:
Aerosmith - Just Press Play
That one is inexcusable whichever way you look at it.
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Aerosmith - Get a Grip
OK, I get that long-time 'Smith fans didn't like the more commercial direction they took here, but surely the correct answer is:
Aerosmith - Just Press Play
That one is inexcusable whichever way you look at it.
I see your point...but after the CryCrazin' trifecta (and that goddamn song from Armageddon), I stopped paying attention...
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Queensryche - Operation Mindcrime II
Queensryche - Dedicated to Chaos
I was initially into Mindcrime II when it came out, but my enjoyment of that record quickly subsided. D2C was the first QR album I hadn't bought in a decade of being a big fan.
Dream Theater - Octavarium
I just didn't get this album at all, and still dislike it.
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Aerosmith - Get a Grip
OK, I get that long-time 'Smith fans didn't like the more commercial direction they took here, but surely the correct answer is:
Aerosmith - Just Press Play
That one is inexcusable whichever way you look at it.
Yes. Actually I don't remember hearing much difference between Permanent Vacation, Pump and Get A Grip. I thought Get A Grip was great.
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What about Cryptic Writings and Risk by Megadeth? CW had a few good songs but it was the start of a descent for me.
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Not a huge disappointment since I was never a big fan of theirs, but Circus Maximus, Nine. The 1st Chapter was a tremendous debut, let's pretend they didn't release a WDaDU and call it their I&W. Then they follow it up with their Awake; a more mature, refined album in Isolate. They have found their sound and are plowing full steam ahead. Then... they release their FII; with a significant drop in quality in their album Nine. Unfortunately, they didn't follow that up with their SFaM as a solid return to form. They released Havoc, an even worse album.
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What about Cryptic Writings and Risk by Megadeth? CW had a few good songs but it was the start of a descent for me.
I liked CW at the time. Seemed like a natural step following Youthanasia. When i heard Crush' Em, they lost me. I didn't even bothered with Risk until many years later. I don't hate it, but i still think Crush'Em is completely stupid.
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Seventh Wonder - Tiara
I was in love in the TGE in every aspect, but Tiara... no! I tried so hard in vain.
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Has anyone said Chuckles and Mr. Squeezy?
Because I came here to say Chuckles and Mr. Squeezy.
Vitals by Mutemath was also a letdown for me, but not in such a big scale.
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Dream Theater - Octavarium
I just didn't get this album at all, and still dislike it.
That's an interesting one for me. I discovered DT with LaB. After discovering that live record, I went back and got ToT. That vibe is what I thought of when I thought DT. I was also a high school kid who played guitar. When 8V came out, I was so disappointed. It felt completely different and I didn't get it at all.
Now, all these years later, I've grown to love 8V though, it's aged really well for me.
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Audioslave: Revelations
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I remember the day I bought it and after the first listen was like "well, I guess they're done..." Its a far cry from the excellent debut which is still one of my favorite albums. And honestly, Out of exile is pretty weak as well, but does have some decent tracks. You can see the cracks starting to form there, but I was still so big into them, that I overlooked them at the time. Revelations on the other hand was a major disappointment right off the bat.
Audioslave started off SO strong with that debut, and I was ready to be a die hard fan for years, but they spent that force REAL quick, and fell
apart
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I won't shoot you, and opinions are opinions, but DIADL is miles better than either Disconnected or FWX! In fact, I cited Disconnected as a huge disappointment earlier in the thread.
I consider Disconnected an EP. :lol
You two are cuckoo bananas :lol :hat
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Disconnected a disappointment?
Still remains is my favorite FW song, so I could never call it a disappointment. It was also one of my first FW albums, so if I had been listening through all the other iterations of the band, I might have felt differently upon first listen.
FWX on the other hand, I first saw as a disappointment, but have since grown to really enjoy it.
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Audioslave: Revelations
*snip*
Yeah, for me, each Audioslave record got weaker than the previous one. The first one was killer, the second was hit or miss, the third one was more miss than hit.
That said, there are still a couple songs on Revelations that I love - Broken City, Somedays, Jewel of the Summertime, Sound of a Gun - off the top of my head are all cool songs.
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I won't shoot you, and opinions are opinions, but DIADL is miles better than either Disconnected or FWX! In fact, I cited Disconnected as a huge disappointment earlier in the thread.
I consider Disconnected an EP. :lol
You two are cuckoo bananas :lol :hat
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Seriously, though, "I Am" and "Into the Black" are as good as any of the "concise" songs on Perfect Symmetry, Parallels or Inside Out, and "And Yet It Moves" is one of the best songs FW ever recorded. The hidden gem is "Falling Further" on the bonus disc.
Disconnected a disappointment?
Still remains is my favorite FW song, so I could never call it a disappointment. It was also one of my first FW albums, so if I had been listening through all the other iterations of the band, I might have felt differently upon first listen.
FWX on the other hand, I first saw as a disappointment, but have since grown to really enjoy it.
One thing I've come to learn is that what is a "favorite" or a "disappointment" is hugely influenced by when you get into a band. I started with FW between No Exit and Perfect Symmetry. I agree that Disconnected is better than FWX, but the former was more disappointing coming on the heels of APSOG.
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Im more disappointed that Falling and Falling Further were split into two seperate tracks. Falling has a nice intro feel going into the Heavy Falling Further. It's like...why.
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Biggest disappointment I can think of is System of a Down not being able to get over the bullshit drama and record a new fuckin album already.
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Disconnected a disappointment?
Still remains is my favorite FW song, so I could never call it a disappointment. It was also one of my first FW albums, so if I had been listening through all the other iterations of the band, I might have felt differently upon first listen.
FWX on the other hand, I first saw as a disappointment, but have since grown to really enjoy it.
All of this.
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Porcupine Tree - The Incident
One of my absolute favourites let me down bigtime and then called it quits. Horrific ending.
Opeth - Heritage
Bye bye Opeth as we knew you. Hello weird 70's act.
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Avenged Sevenfold-Hail to the King
Shinedown-Threat to Survival
Halestorm-Into the Wild Life
Sum 41-Underclass Hero
These are the four albums by artists who I love that I was underwhelmed by on initial release and to this day consider each to be among the worst in each band’s discography.
Notably missing from my list is Lulu, but tbh, I never expected much from it in the first place.