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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: wolfking on May 02, 2010, 06:14:42 AM
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Scarsick. Was this a smart move?
I knew they were a pretty respected band and a lot of you like Daniel. Was really struggling for something to buy and saw this quite cheap, so I just purchased it, I always wanted to check them out.
Anyway, I have listened through the album once.......very.......interesting. Is this the style of the band? Should I look into them more?
Scarsick is a very varied album. I'm not sure what the musicians here were looking to accomplish. Flame to the Moth, Kingdom of Loss, Enter Rain and Cribcaged are pretty good. And I must say, I hate rap, but was really impressed with Spitfall.
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Get Remedy Lane asap.
Scarsick is okay imo, not one of their best albums but still very cool. It's not really the same as the other albums, but most of the albums are quite unique in style. All of them are awesome though.
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Most people would say it was not a good decision, but while I like the album, no, that is not the usual style of the band. Certainly look into the more; it's probably my least favorite of their albums, but I suggest picking up Remedy Lane, as it's their most accessible.
but lol when people say "I hate rap, but I like Scarsick", because 99.9% of the time that just means "I've never tried listening to hip hop"
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but lol when people say "I hate rap, but I like Scarsick", because 99.9% of the time that just means "I've never tried listening to hip hop"
I was thinking that :lol
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but lol when people say "I hate rap, but I like Scarsick", because 99.9% of the time that just means "I've never tried listening to hip hop"
I've heard a quite bit of hip hop, and I still think it's shit.
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Get Remedy Lane asap.
Scarsick is okay imo, not one of their best albums but still very cool. It's not really the same as the other albums, but most of the albums are quite unique in style. All of them are awesome though.
I think I've seen Remedy Lane lying around in a couple of stores. I'll get it next time.
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Scarsick. Was this a smart move?
Wolfenstein, you and I seem to be on the same page very often regarding taste in music so I feel pretty confident suggesting The Perfect Element. Check out Reconciliation, The Perfect Element, and Used on youtube to get a taste since those are three of my favorite tracks from it.
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Scarsick. Was this a smart move?
Wolfenstein, you and I seem to be on the same page very often regarding taste in music so I feel pretty confident suggesting The Perfect Element. Check out Reconciliation, The Perfect Element, and Used on youtube to get a taste since those are three of my favorite tracks from it.
Just checked out Reconciliation and Used. They were......really excellent. A lot more exciting than what is found on Scarsick. Will definetely look for this album also. Thanks b_f.
Have you got the live DVD??
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The live DVD/CD combo is great! Much better starting point than stinky Scarsick.
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Scarsick. Was this a smart move?
Wolfenstein, you and I seem to be on the same page very often regarding taste in music so I feel pretty confident suggesting The Perfect Element. Check out Reconciliation, The Perfect Element, and Used on youtube to get a taste since those are three of my favorite tracks from it.
Just checked out Reconciliation and Used. They were......really excellent. A lot more exciting than what is found on Scarsick. Will definetely look for this album also. Thanks b_f.
Have you got the live DVD??
Unfortunately no but I'll check out the setlist and see if it's got enough older stuff for my liking and probably get it if so. Stay tuned :tup
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Scarsick. Was this a smart move?
Wolfenstein, you and I seem to be on the same page very often regarding taste in music so I feel pretty confident suggesting The Perfect Element. Check out Reconciliation, The Perfect Element, and Used on youtube to get a taste since those are three of my favorite tracks from it.
Just checked out Reconciliation and Used. They were......really excellent. A lot more exciting than what is found on Scarsick. Will definetely look for this album also. Thanks b_f.
Have you got the live DVD??
Unfortunately no but I'll check out the setlist and see if it's got enough older stuff for my liking and probably get it if so. Stay tuned :tup
Setlist.
1. "Scarsick"
2. "America"
3. "Nightmist"
4. "! (Foreword)"
5. "Handful of Nothing"
6. "New Year's Eve"
7. "Ashes"
8. "Undertow"
9. "Brickworks 1 (Parts II-IV)"
10. "Chain Sling"
11. "Diffidentia"
12. "Flame to the Moth"
13. "Disco Queen"
14. "Hallelujah"
15. "Cribcaged"
16. "Used"
Even though I have only heard Scarsick once, why they would play America and Disco Queen is a bit puzzling, especially if songs like Used is the quality of their older material.
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Forgot about Nightmist. Check that out as well as Rope Ends for you'll shit brix of glee.
Nightmist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_83H7CJOFgE
Rope Ends: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kCTkeCgd2E
Inside Out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_U4HYka-lg
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I started from Scarsick. I needed 9 months to fully appreciate it, but it was worth it.
Scarsick is an amazing album in my opinion but you may have the same conclusions. I agree with black_floyd, The Perfect Element is absolutely awesome and where I would recommend you to go next. After you feel you've finished listening to it (probably a month :D), I guess Remedy Lane is the next step. Then... return to Scarsick and we'll see. ;)
And it's hard to talk about "the style of Pain of Salvation" as every single album is entirely different. The only ones that are any close are TPE and RL, but the differences are significant anyway.
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No idea why they would play America, but Disco Queen is fucking awesome, especially live.
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America on the live album sounds way better than the album version imo. On the album I find it ok, but I definitely don't feel like listening just to _that_ song alone, it's just good for integrity of the album. On Ending Themes it really has more life, and I absolutely love the echo effect in the opening guitar riff.
My dream is Enter Rain live, though. But I doubt it will ever happen.
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America and Disco Queen are awesome live. Seen them live 3 times now, and they played Disco Queen in the encore all 3 times :hat.
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My dream is Enter Rain live, though. But I doubt it will ever happen.
That'd be a must if I were to ever see them.
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I think I'll pick up the DVD, sounds quite good. Enter Rain, would be a good live song.
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Scarsick. Was this a smart move?
no.
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Scarsick. Was this a smart move?
no.
Sigz, I really like you. But this crusade against Scarsick has to stop! Scarsick is awesome, dammit.
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Scarsick. Was this a smart move?
no.
Sigz, I really like you. But this crusade against Scarsick has to stop! Scarsick is awesome, dammit.
I don't know man. The only people I know who actually like Scarsick are people'd I'd guess would like ANYTHING PoS put out
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It's terrible. It has a few good songs, but when you have mediocre music and spoken word sections ranting about elevators and fast food, you've completely lost me.
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Scarsick. Was this a smart move?
no.
:rollin
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if you find yourself buying another and another of their cd's...and still..not "getting it"
.......know you're not alone.
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It's terrible. It has a few good songs, but when you have mediocre music and spoken word sections ranting about elevators and fast food, you've completely lost me.
Elevators and fast food. I'll have to read along with the lyrics I think.
Oh, I think I did hear something about breasts on a beach, is this accurate?
Not to mention the Aenima influence. (He says fuck a lot)
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if you find yourself buying another and another of their cd's...and still..not "getting it"
.......know you're not alone.
I think I'm a bit afraid of this, to be honest, just from Scarsick. Good to know I'm not the only one if that's the case.
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I think I'm a bit afraid of this, to be honest, just from Scarsick.
Don't be; Scarsick is terrible (IMO), but at the very least is not representative of their main body of work.
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Scarsick really isn't PoS at their best (not saying I don't like it). I'd say Remedy Lane/ The Perfect Element would be a better place to start with them.
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Scarsick is far from their best album. It is still very good though.
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I think I'm a bit afraid of this, to be honest, just from Scarsick.
Don't be; Scarsick is terrible (IMO), but at the very least is not representative of their main body of work.
I disagree.
I think Scarsick is an amazing album. The only weak song is America, IMO.
I must admit I didn't like it much at first, but after a few months I grew to love the album.
PoS are always adapting and exploring new tastes. I'd even go as far to stick Scarsick in my Top 10 albums.
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I'd even go as far to stick Scarsick in my Top 10 albums.
I wouldn't go that far and it's not favourite of mine but I don't think it deserves the hate it seems to get.
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I am digging a few songs on the album. It's not terrible, it's quite original. Seems like Remedy and Element are the ones to explore. interesting band to say the least (or should I just say, interesting album)
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Go this way: Remedy Lane -> The Perfect Element -> "BE" -> Entropia -> One Hour By the Concrete Lake -> Scarsick
Yes, Scarsick is so easily their worst album.
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What's the new EP like? Is it in the vein of Scarsick?
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Not really. It's another new style for them. Very raw sounding and with more memorable melodies than Scarsick.
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Scarsick. Was this a smart move?
no.
Sigz, I really like you. But this crusade against Scarsick has to stop! Scarsick is awesome, dammit.
I don't know man. The only people I know who actually like Scarsick are people'd I'd guess would like ANYTHING PoS put out
Someone likes something we don't, ZOMG IT'S A FANBOY, BUURRRRNNNN
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I like Scarsick, but I realize it's poor by PoS standards. And I can't stand the song America. Aside from America and the chorus to Disco Queen, the album is fine, not great, but fine.
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What's the new EP like? Is it in the vein of Scarsick?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGbgITz_KVY
Awesome song.
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When I see all the hate for America I can't help thinking the reason is 80% dislike for the lyrics...
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Not really. It's another new style for them. Very raw sounding and with more memorable melodies than Scarsick.
Sounds worthy of a purchase then.
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When I see all the hate for America I can't help thinking the reason is 80% dislike for the lyrics...
We will be back...
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What's the new EP like? Is it in the vein of Scarsick?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGbgITz_KVY
Awesome song.
Pretty cool. Sounds like these guys really reinvent themselves every album. There's no way you would think this is the same band that made Scarsick.
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Do these guys not have a permanent bass player?
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When I see all the hate for America I can't help thinking the reason is 80% dislike for the lyrics...
America's an alright song, though the chorus is kinda meh. The lyrics are lame, but don't drag the song down as much because the music is actually decent. I have a bigger problem with Kingdom of Loss, which has incredibly dull music that brings the shitty, idiotic lyrics to the foreground.
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Do these guys not have a permanent bass player?
Their bass players seem to have a habit of leaving.
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When I see all the hate for America I can't help thinking the reason is 80% dislike for the lyrics...
lol I'll admit the lyrics are pretty much the worse lyrics Daniel has ever written, and he is by far my favorite lyricist ever.
I don't like the music either, nothing about it. Some of the harmonies are...catchy I guess, but eh. I just skip it every time, the song just bothers me, despite the lyrics.
Actually the only song I listen to less solely because of the lyrics is Cribcaged. That song with all the spoken word about buying stuff also suffers from lyrics. Which is sad since the chorus and pre-chorus (I think) have great lyrics, it's just the verses' and the spoken word parts bother me.
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Do these guys not have a permanent bass player?
Kristoffer Gildenlow has been permanent for the first five albums. Then he was "asked to leave", and afterwards... it was weird.
When I see all the hate for America I can't help thinking the reason is 80% dislike for the lyrics...
America's an alright song, though the chorus is kinda meh. The lyrics are lame, but don't drag the song down as much because the music is actually decent. I have a bigger problem with Kingdom of Loss, which has incredibly dull music that brings the shitty, idiotic lyrics to the foreground.
Don't see much of a problem with Kingdom of Loss lyrics, they're simply ironic.
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Do these guys not have a permanent bass player?
Their bass players seem to have a habit of leaving.
1 left. 1 was fired for living too far away.....what a horrible excuse.
When Simon left, he made it seem that it may have been because DG didn't let him write.
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When I see all the hate for America I can't help thinking the reason is 80% dislike for the lyrics...
America's an alright song, though the chorus is kinda meh. The lyrics are lame, but don't drag the song down as much because the music is actually decent. I have a bigger problem with Kingdom of Loss, which has incredibly dull music that brings the shitty, idiotic lyrics to the foreground.
I didn't mind Kingdom. Is this the songs that I heard the word breasts and fuck a lot (in a tool like aenima fashion)
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Damn bass players!!
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Do these guys not have a permanent bass player?
Their bass players seem to have a habit of leaving.
1 left. 1 was fired for living too far away.....what a horrible excuse.
When Simon left, he made it seem that it may have been because DG didn't let him write.
I wouldn't really call if 'fired'. Seems like he agreed on leaving.
Per seems like an okay fellow though. Saw him with the band twice, fitted in with the band.
When I see all the hate for America I can't help thinking the reason is 80% dislike for the lyrics...
America's an alright song, though the chorus is kinda meh. The lyrics are lame, but don't drag the song down as much because the music is actually decent. I have a bigger problem with Kingdom of Loss, which has incredibly dull music that brings the shitty, idiotic lyrics to the foreground.
I didn't mind Kingdom. Is this the songs that I heard the word breasts and fuck a lot (in a tool like aenima fashion)
Breasts is mentioned once in Kingdom of Loss, fuck is Cribcaged.
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Forgot about Nightmist. Check that out as well as Rope Ends for you'll shit brix of glee.
Rope Ends: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kCTkeCgd2E
This is an amazing song!!
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When I see all the hate for America I can't help thinking the reason is 80% dislike for the lyrics...
America's an alright song, though the chorus is kinda meh. The lyrics are lame, but don't drag the song down as much because the music is actually decent. I have a bigger problem with Kingdom of Loss, which has incredibly dull music that brings the shitty, idiotic lyrics to the foreground.
Don't see much of a problem with Kingdom of Loss lyrics, they're simply ironic.
How are they in any way ironic? It's like DG watched Idiocracy and thought it was a documentary about present day America. They're pathetic.
When I see all the hate for America I can't help thinking the reason is 80% dislike for the lyrics...
America's an alright song, though the chorus is kinda meh. The lyrics are lame, but don't drag the song down as much because the music is actually decent. I have a bigger problem with Kingdom of Loss, which has incredibly dull music that brings the shitty, idiotic lyrics to the foreground.
I didn't mind Kingdom. Is this the songs that I heard the word breasts and fuck a lot (in a tool like aenima fashion)
No, that's cribcaged.
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Kingdom of Loss builds on stereotype capitalism and Americans. While I do think the lyrics do have a certain sense of truth to it, it seems a bit dramatical in most parts. One of my least favorite songs on the album.
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No, that's cribcaged.
Oh, I think Kingdom had the only guitar solo. Should be more solos as the guitarists seem very competent.
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Is kingdom of loss the one about buying stuff? And how we're sold breasts on baywatch or something?
Cause if so, that's the one I meant in my post.
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Is kingdom of loss the one about buying stuff? And how we're sold breasts on baywatch or something?
Cause if so, that's the one I meant in my post.
It is.
You seriously didn't know? I thought you were a pretty big PoS fan :O.
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Is kingdom of loss the one about buying stuff? And how we're sold breasts on baywatch or something?
Cause if so, that's the one I meant in my post.
It is.
You seriously didn't know? I thought you were a pretty big PoS fan :O.
I am. But on albums like BE and Scarsick, a few titles escape me. Especially BE but that's due to them being in latin.
And I honestly rarely listen to Scarsick. And recently song titles have been escaping me for a lot of bands.
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Is kingdom of loss the one about buying stuff? And how we're sold breasts on baywatch or something?
Cause if so, that's the one I meant in my post.
This is the one I was thinking about too.
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Is kingdom of loss the one about buying stuff? And how we're sold breasts on baywatch or something?
Cause if so, that's the one I meant in my post.
It is.
You seriously didn't know? I thought you were a pretty big PoS fan :O.
I am. But on albums like BE and Scarsick, a few titles escape me. Especially BE but that's due to them being in latin.
And I honestly rarely listen to Scarsick. And recently song titles have been escaping me for a lot of bands.
The whole album is sung in latin? ???
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Kingdom of Loss builds on stereotype capitalism and Americans. While I do think the lyrics do have a certain sense of truth to it, it seems a bit dramatical in most parts. One of my least favorite songs on the album.
That doesn't make them good though. Hearing DG rant about stairmasters and elevators is neither interesting nor thought provoking. News flash: newer buildings have elevators and ramps because of the Americans with Disabilities Act, for people in wheelchairs, and it's been around for 20 years. Some fat guy didn't pay for an elevator because he's lazy, and he's not the reason it exists.
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Is kingdom of loss the one about buying stuff? And how we're sold breasts on baywatch or something?
Cause if so, that's the one I meant in my post.
It is.
You seriously didn't know? I thought you were a pretty big PoS fan :O.
I am. But on albums like BE and Scarsick, a few titles escape me. Especially BE but that's due to them being in latin.
And I honestly rarely listen to Scarsick. And recently song titles have been escaping me for a lot of bands.
The whole album is sung in latin? ???
lol no, the titles are in latin. Lyrics are in english.
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Is kingdom of loss the one about buying stuff? And how we're sold breasts on baywatch or something?
Cause if so, that's the one I meant in my post.
It is.
You seriously didn't know? I thought you were a pretty big PoS fan :O.
I am. But on albums like BE and Scarsick, a few titles escape me. Especially BE but that's due to them being in latin.
And I honestly rarely listen to Scarsick. And recently song titles have been escaping me for a lot of bands.
I see. I used to mix up the BE titles a bit too, but I have listened to it so much that I have practically memorized every lyric and song title.
wolfking: BE is pretty hard to get in to, but it is the best album ever created. BE sure to listen to it a couple of times.
Notice what I did there? :neverusethis:
Is kingdom of loss the one about buying stuff? And how we're sold breasts on baywatch or something?
Cause if so, that's the one I meant in my post.
It is.
You seriously didn't know? I thought you were a pretty big PoS fan :O.
I am. But on albums like BE and Scarsick, a few titles escape me. Especially BE but that's due to them being in latin.
And I honestly rarely listen to Scarsick. And recently song titles have been escaping me for a lot of bands.
The whole album is sung in latin? ???
Nope, song titles are in latin.
Kingdom of Loss builds on stereotype capitalism and Americans. While I do think the lyrics do have a certain sense of truth to it, it seems a bit dramatical in most parts. One of my least favorite songs on the album.
That doesn't make them good though. Hearing DG rant about stairmasters and elevators is neither interesting nor thought provoking. News flash: newer buildings have elevators and ramps because of the Americans with Disabilities Act, for people in wheelchairs, and it's been around for 20 years. Some fat guy didn't pay for an elevator because he's lazy, and he's not the reason it exists.
I have to agree. Although I do think elevators were also made with lazy people in mind :p.
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I live on the 11th floor. I doubt DG would go up 11 flights of stairs to go home every day.
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I live on the 11th floor. I doubt DG would go up 11 flights of stairs to go home every day.
I would carry him.
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I live on the 11th floor. I doubt DG would go up 11 flights of stairs to go home every day.
You lazy American.
I dunno, I live in a three story apartment complex and there's no elevator to be found. Made moving in a total bitch, especially since the stairwell is really narrow.
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At my college people line up at the elevator to go up to the second floor. It's a two story building. That is laziness, especially when the stairs are right next to the elevator.
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Yeah, I'm certainly not saying that there aren't lazy Americans, it's just a retarded topic to write a song about, especially in such horrifically generalized terms like DG does.
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Let's turn this into a thread about elevators.
This thread was keeping me awake, time to go to bed :p.
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Go this way: Remedy Lane -> The Perfect Element -> "BE" -> Entropia -> One Hour By the Concrete Lake -> Scarsick
Yes, Scarsick is so easily their worst album.
Okay, rather than everyone keep repeating themselves saying 'Scarsick is their worst album' (which is getting totally boring by the way)- why not give us some reasons as to why you feel this way?
As much as I love Dream Theater, (a band that hasn't done anything new in years) I wouldn't find myself spamming the DT forum saying Octavarium and Systematic Chaos are by far DT's worst albums. What kind of response do you gain from that? People are posting crap like this on every page of every PoS thread. It's getting a bit boring now, guys.
All of PoS's albums are completely different. Better get used to it. Once Road Salt is finished, you'll most likely hear something else that's highly original and breathtaking. God forbid a band actually making an effort to explore new musical genres. I mean, how spoilt are we as fans of progressive music?
You might not like Be or Scarsick, (which is totally fine) - but they are by no means 'bad' albums. If you want to hear a bad album, go and listen to some mainstream crap. Or better yet, go listen to some metalcore and then go check their entire discography and realise that every single song on every album is structured the exact same way as the last. Then you'll have an idea on how bands like PoS, have that god-given ability to adapt.
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I'm listening to some BE now, I love this album so much <3333.
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If you get BE, I would highly suggest getting the live DVD first before the studio version. I did and now it's one of my fav albums ever. Seeing it performed is an amazing experience.
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Both are pretty cool, and both have their strong and weak points. The DVD is one of the only concert DVD's I actually watch.
Also have the signed BE poster hanging on my wall here (in a frame) together with a setlist I got at one of the concerts from last year :).
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Both are pretty cool, and both have their strong and weak points. The DVD is one of the only concert DVD's I actually watch.
Also have the signed BE poster hanging on my wall here (in a frame) together with a setlist I got at one of the concerts from last year :).
Hey, go kill yourself buddy.
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Both are pretty cool, and both have their strong and weak points. The DVD is one of the only concert DVD's I actually watch.
Also have the signed BE poster hanging on my wall here (in a frame) together with a setlist I got at one of the concerts from last year :).
Hey, go kill yourself buddy.
Not after I see PoS for the fourth time.
*run*
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Well if you have to run.....run....
For hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllppppppppppppppppppppppppppp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I see what you did there.
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I don't want to see!
Close my eyes...
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I see what you did there.
And it was glurious.
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1.2 MILLION PEOPLE.
Wait what?
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99% of humanity couldn't put together a simple light bulb with a gun to their heads.
You know what DG? I bet you couldn't put one together either. And what the hell kind of example is that of anything?
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99% of humanity couldn't put together a simple light bulb with a gun to their heads.
You know what DG? I bet you couldn't put one together either. And what the hell kind of example is that of anything?
YEA! That is the exact same thing I think whenever I hear that line. One of the only flaws of the album :lol.
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It's just sort of saying how we live in a culture dominated by technology, and no one knows anything about technology.
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I'm listening through Scarsick for the second time.
The title track is quite good. The harmonies are very eerie. Nice atmosphere throughout, definitely a grower.
Spitfall I am really enjoying. I wouldn't say Daniel is full on rapping here, very strong ranting I'd say over a groovy beat. The chorus is great. I'm loving all the little fills that hide everywhere through the song. Good stuff.
Cribcaged. Quite emotional, I like the atmosphere, and the fuck section is very strong.
America. I'm listening to this now. It's just very strange. Very ska influenced. Reminds of Reel Big Fish or something. Not digging it at the moment. Maybe when I purchase the DVD I may appreciate it more.
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If you think Cribcaged is emotional, wait till you listen to any of their other albums.
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When you reach Enter Rain any possible weaknesses will stop to have any importance.
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I think it's quite a bit slower on the DVD.
America, that is.
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Haven't noticed that but Flame to The Moth is a bit faster.
(The song which needed the most time to grow on me from Scarsick and now one of my favourites.)
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If you think Cribcaged is emotional, wait till you listen to any of their other albums.
Excellent, I can't wait.
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Just say NO. YEA!
DG jokes are so bad on the album. He was very funny the times I saw him :(.
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Haven't noticed that but Flame to The Moth is a bit faster.
(The song which needed the most time to grow on me from Scarsick and now one of my favourites.)
It is? I didn't notice, but you could be right. Was Ending Themes played to a click track? I couldn't tell based off the behind the scenes stuff since he was talking about the BE dvd so often.
And FTTM is one of my favs too, but it didn't take any time to grow. In fact the only 'grower' on that album for me was Enter Rain. I still don't worship it the way everyone else does, but I like it a lot.
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Just say NO. YEA!
DG jokes are so bad on the album. He was very funny the times I saw him :(.
I dunno if I'd consider "yeah" a joke, but it did ruin the vibe for me. Hearing the audience chant NO! was awesome by itself, should have ended there.
And the only other joke I remember is the Matrix one, which was horrible.
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Just say NO. YEA!
DG jokes are so bad on the album. He was very funny the times I saw him :(.
I dunno if I'd consider "yeah" a joke, but it did ruin the vibe for me. Hearing the audience chant NO! was awesome by itself, should have ended there.
And the only other joke I remember is the Matrix one, which was horrible.
I was mainly talking about the Matrix one, that one was so bad :p.
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Go this way: Remedy Lane -> The Perfect Element -> "BE" -> Entropia -> One Hour By the Concrete Lake -> Scarsick
Yes, Scarsick is so easily their worst album.
Okay, rather than everyone keep repeating themselves saying 'Scarsick is their worst album' (which is getting totally boring by the way)- why not give us some reasons as to why you feel this way?
As much as I love Dream Theater, (a band that hasn't done anything new in years) I wouldn't find myself spamming the DT forum saying Octavarium and Systematic Chaos are by far DT's worst albums. What kind of response do you gain from that? People are posting crap like this on every page of every PoS thread. It's getting a bit boring now, guys.
All of PoS's albums are completely different. Better get used to it. Once Road Salt is finished, you'll most likely hear something else that's highly original and breathtaking. God forbid a band actually making an effort to explore new musical genres. I mean, how spoilt are we as fans of progressive music?
You might not like Be or Scarsick, (which is totally fine) - but they are by no means 'bad' albums. If you want to hear a bad album, go and listen to some mainstream crap. Or better yet, go listen to some metalcore and then go check their entire discography and realise that every single song on every album is structured the exact same way as the last. Then you'll have an idea on how bands like PoS, have that god-given ability to adapt.
Okay. I'll give my reasons as to why Scarsick is nowhere near what POS is capable of. First off, vocals. Daniel has a pretty awesome voice. We can all agree on that. Why someone with a voice like his would choose to rap is completely beyond me. Second, lyrics. Daniel is an amazing lyricist, yet much of the lyrics on Scarsick are nothing short of deplorable. Third, music. POS has made some of the most emotionally touching progressive metal I've ever heard, and they chose to make Disco Queen.
All of DT's albums have a different sound too. Systematic Chaos is EASILY their least awesome effort. Now, POS is a very diverse band. I agree there. But, Remedy Lane and The Perfect Element sound very similar. They follow the same styles, for the most part. It's what they do best, and that's why I believe those two are their strongest efforts. I'm all about being progressive, but when the music takes such a serious turn for the worse like Scarsick does, I should be allowed to dislike it. I shouldn't have to alter my opinion on it because "Oh, they're trying something new. I have to like it out of respect for the band." Objectively, Scarsick is pretty bad.
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Disco Queen - I don't know, it has some nice parts, but at the moment, I can't really take it seriously. I really enjoy part three: tighter groove. The chorus is what is holding it back at the moment.
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Scarsick. Was this a smart move?
no.
Sigz, I really like you. But this crusade against Scarsick has to stop! Scarsick is awesome, dammit.
I don't know man. The only people I know who actually like Scarsick are people'd I'd guess would like ANYTHING PoS put out
I think PoS are a strong band but a tad overhyped, especially on these boards (becoming the new Porcupine Tree in terms of hype - if not already surpassed), but I "actually like" Scarsick.
There's a lot in its favour. It's more diverse than a lot of their catalogue. Genuinely experimental and interesting - it's not as complex, but there's nothing wrong with that. That allows it to be more visceral, which is something PoS excel at. A lot of PoS's passionate sound is based on very honest, transparent rage, which Scarsick turns up to 11.
I think PoS are "quite good," and probably wouldn't have them in my top 10. Maybe top 15. But Scarsick is good.
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Read the lyrics for Disco Queen and see what it is really about.
It's the only song my housemates can remember :p, because it's so... 'unique'.
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Read the lyrics for Disco Queen and see what it is really about.
It's the only song my housemates can remember :p, because it's so... 'unique'.
Any song that can either be about banging a black whore or playing a record is awesome.
However that doesn't make the chorus any better.
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I like the chorus :(. I can't remember the amount of times that I have sung it when being drunk.
Disco Queen is the song I always put on, on repeat, when I am drunk :p. And my housemates seem to like it when they are drunk as well :p.
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I really don't get how people could consider PoS to be over hyped. They have a pretty small fanbase, and most of the time any discussion that goes on about them is just sort of bitching.
That being said, they are one of my favorite bands ever.
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Read the lyrics for Disco Queen and see what it is really about.
It's the only song my housemates can remember , because it's so... 'unique'.
That's another big plus on Scarsick's side.. Each song is very distinct and memorable.
I really dig TPE1, but christ if I can distinguish half the songs. The tone is more or less constant throughout its entire run time.
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I really don't get how people could consider PoS to be over hyped. They have a pretty small fanbase, and most of the time any discussion that goes on about them is just sort of bitching.
This, it's usually the same group of members discussing them. Usually one group bitching about Scarsick and another group defending it :p.
It's my favorite band by far, and BE is my favorite album of all time. With that note, I am going to bed. Someone else take over the big fanboy role that is now opening up.
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Daniel has a pretty awesome voice. We can all agree on that.
:facepalm: I definitely do not agree with that. :biggrin:
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Kingdom of Loss - Intersting lyrics, to say the least. I'm not too keen about the elevators because we are fat, but using a stairmaster while we watch cooking shows is quite clever IMO.
The music is good. Nice buildups and a good solo. More solos through the album might have helped. Nice song, not amazing, but nice.
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I must also add that the album cover is freakishly disturbing!!
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Daniel has a pretty awesome voice. We can all agree on that.
:facepalm: I definitely do not agree with that. :biggrin:
I wish I could hate you to death.
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Forgot to leave this here:
(https://painofsslvation.com/photo/Videobackstage/10.jpg)
for wolfking (as it might confuse him :P): It's a picture of the worlds best vocalist covered in fake blood for the video of a new song called 'Where it hurts'.
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Haven't noticed that but Flame to The Moth is a bit faster.
(The song which needed the most time to grow on me from Scarsick and now one of my favourites.)
It is? I didn't notice, but you could be right. Was Ending Themes played to a click track? I couldn't tell based off the behind the scenes stuff since he was talking about the BE dvd so often.
And FTTM is one of my favs too, but it didn't take any time to grow. In fact the only 'grower' on that album for me was Enter Rain. I still don't worship it the way everyone else does, but I like it a lot.
Yep, I noticed it immediately. The tempo is slightly faster. As for Flame to The Moth, I didn't like it at first, especially the nu-metallish vocals. Over time, I've grown to like it, and now I love it. Especially the lyrics.
Okay. I'll give my reasons as to why Scarsick is nowhere near what POS is capable of. First off, vocals. Daniel has a pretty awesome voice. We can all agree on that. Why someone with a voice like his would choose to rap is completely beyond me. Second, lyrics. Daniel is an amazing lyricist, yet much of the lyrics on Scarsick are nothing short of deplorable. Third, music. POS has made some of the most emotionally touching progressive metal I've ever heard, and they chose to make Disco Queen.
All of DT's albums have a different sound too. Systematic Chaos is EASILY their least awesome effort. Now, POS is a very diverse band. I agree there. But, Remedy Lane and The Perfect Element sound very similar. They follow the same styles, for the most part. It's what they do best, and that's why I believe those two are their strongest efforts. I'm all about being progressive, but when the music takes such a serious turn for the worse like Scarsick does, I should be allowed to dislike it. I shouldn't have to alter my opinion on it because "Oh, they're trying something new. I have to like it out of respect for the band." Objectively, Scarsick is pretty bad.
You're missing the point entirely. It's like wondering why should they create songs like Undertow when they can do 10-minute technical songs. He's chosen to use rapping because he wanted to, it fits the concept, it fits the idea, it fits the lyrics. And the effect is great (and I'm a person who usually despises rapping). Same thing for Disco Queen.
Saying your opinion as objective is retarded, no offence.
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Forgot to leave this here:
(https://painofsslvation.com/photo/Videobackstage/10.jpg)
for wolfking (as it might confuse him :P): It's a picture of the worlds best vocalist covered in fake blood for the video of a new song called 'Where it hurts'.
WTF?!! :rollin
This video will certainly be a MUSIC VIDEO WIN!!
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Modern Mother Mary - zzzzzzzzz (sorry fanboys)
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Nothing to sorry about, imo it's the weakest point of Scarsick (after a very promising intro, unfortunately).
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Nothing to sorry about, imo it's the weakest point of Scarsick (after a very promising intro, unfortunately).
Agree.
Looks like I'm getting into this band at the right time with a new album out this month. Interesting to see the direction. That new song is promising so far. Also much shorter songs this time.
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Okay. I'll give my reasons as to why Scarsick is nowhere near what POS is capable of. First off, vocals. Daniel has a pretty awesome voice. We can all agree on that. Why someone with a voice like his would choose to rap is completely beyond me. Second, lyrics. Daniel is an amazing lyricist, yet much of the lyrics on Scarsick are nothing short of deplorable. Third, music. POS has made some of the most emotionally touching progressive metal I've ever heard, and they chose to make Disco Queen.
All of DT's albums have a different sound too. Systematic Chaos is EASILY their least awesome effort. Now, POS is a very diverse band. I agree there. But, Remedy Lane and The Perfect Element sound very similar. They follow the same styles, for the most part. It's what they do best, and that's why I believe those two are their strongest efforts. I'm all about being progressive, but when the music takes such a serious turn for the worse like Scarsick does, I should be allowed to dislike it. I shouldn't have to alter my opinion on it because "Oh, they're trying something new. I have to like it out of respect for the band." Objectively, Scarsick is pretty bad.
You're missing the point entirely. It's like wondering why should they create songs like Undertow when they can do 10-minute technical songs. He's chosen to use rapping because he wanted to, it fits the concept, it fits the idea, it fits the lyrics. And the effect is great (and I'm a person who usually despises rapping). Same thing for Disco Queen.
Saying your opinion as objective is retarded, no offence.
No, it's nothing like that. Undertow holds emotional depth. Most of Scarsick does not. I agree that it fits the style of music, but the style of music is quite poor compared to everything else POS has done.
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It saddens me too see that 'Conditioned' isn't on the new album. I've seen it live twice now, and it is f'ing amazing.
But I am really looking forward to it as well. 2 weeks remaining :dangerwillrobinson:.
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No, it's nothing like that. Undertow holds emotional depth. Most of Scarsick does not. I agree that it fits the style of music, but the style of music is quite poor compared to everything else POS has done.
Poor for you. Poor for those who can't get, or still haven't, into the album. What doesn't mean the album is bad by definition, it's just extremely weird for usual rock/metal standards and that's why it's insanely difficult to crack for most people.
I wasn't talking about emotional depth. I was talking about "what's the point of doing something technically simple, when you can do something BIG and technical".
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Idiocracy - zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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No, it's nothing like that. Undertow holds emotional depth. Most of Scarsick does not. I agree that it fits the style of music, but the style of music is quite poor compared to everything else POS has done.
Poor for you. Poor for those who can't get, or still haven't, into the album. What doesn't mean the album is bad by definition, it's just extremely weird for usual rock/metal standards and that's why it's insanely difficult to crack for most people.
I wasn't talking about emotional depth. I was talking about "what's the point of doing something technically simple, when you can do something BIG and technical".
That's not what I was saying at all. ???
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Idiocracy - zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
If these songs really do NOTHING for you, while songs like Spitfall and Scarsick do, this might be a very bad sign.
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That's not what I was saying at all. ???
In parallel, it is.
Why someone with a voice like his would choose to rap is completely beyond me.
Idiocracy - zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
If these songs really do NOTHING for you, while songs like Spitfall and Scarsick do, this might be a very bad sign.
I was similar, I've loved Scarsick since the first listen (actually it was the song that made me buy the album), but Idiocracy also needed time. Spitfall was like Flame to the Moth.
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Daniel has a pretty awesome voice. We can all agree on that.
:facepalm: I definitely do not agree with that. :biggrin:
I wish I could hate you to death.
:lol :biggrin: :hat
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Wait what the fuck? You don't think DG is a good singer?
You just broke my mind.
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Wait what the fuck? You don't think DG is a good singer?
You just broke my mind.
I didn't say that. I disagreed with the assertion that he has an awesome voice. There is a difference. ;)
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Flame to the Moth - A much better song than the last two. Definite nu metal influences but an enjoyable song throughout.
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That's not what I was saying at all. ???
In parallel, it is.
Why someone with a voice like his would choose to rap is completely beyond me.
...okay.
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Idiocracy - zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
If these songs really do NOTHING for you, while songs like Spitfall and Scarsick do, this might be a very bad sign.
Why is that??
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Wait what the fuck? You don't think DG is a good singer?
You just broke my mind.
I didn't say that. I disagreed with the assertion that he has an awesome voice. There is a difference. ;)
Even still, that's pretty damn blasphemous.
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Yeah... while I could understand why some people would dislike his voice, and while I agree that he is overrated by a lot of people here (I think he's incredible and one of the best vocalists in metal, and certainly my favorite, but there's far too many people that run around declaring him the best ever), I don't understand how someone could consider him bad, especially when compared to 99.8% of vocalists in progressive music, who are usually dull at best and godawful and hilarious at worst.
Flame to the Moth - A much better song than the last two. Definite nu metal influences but an enjoyable song throughout.
Nothing wrong with that.
And I feel Idiocracy is the best damn song on the album :lol
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Wait what the fuck? You don't think DG is a good singer?
You just broke my mind.
I didn't say that. I disagreed with the assertion that he has an awesome voice. There is a difference. ;)
Even still, that's pretty damn blasphemous.
Not really. :)
Yeah... while I could understand why some people would dislike his voice, and while I agree that he is overrated by a lot of people here (I think he's incredible and one of the best vocalists in metal, and certainly my favorite, but there's far too many people that run around declaring him the best ever), I don't understand how someone could consider him bad, especially when compared to 99.8% of vocalists in progressive music, who are usually dull at best and godawful and hilarious at worst.
Who said he was a bad singer? ;)
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I know you didn't here, but I'm fairly certain you did elsewhere :lol if not, apologies. But then there's people like Zook, who called him something along the lines of an average power metal singer, which was mind-boggling to me, especially as I'm deathly allergic to power metal
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Flame to the Moth - A much better song than the last two. Definite nu metal influences but an enjoyable song throughout.
Nothing wrong with that.
And I feel Idiocracy is the best damn song on the album :lol
Definitely nothing wrong with that.
Idiocracy may take more listens, I haven't discovered it's beauty yet.
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On first listen, I think Daniel is a fantastic vocalist. Not the best in the world, but there is nothing 'bad' about about his voice at all. he's emotional, varied and has a great range, and that's just what I get from Scarsick. He has great phrasing and excellent pitch control and note selections.
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Enter Rain - epic finale to the album. AMAZING chorus.
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The entire song is amazing. It leaves me speechless after every listen of Scarsick.
As for the vocals, Scarsick doesn't expose his "normal" singing skills because it focuses more on the more unusual styles, and also uses more whispering and similar, he just took a different approach here. The previous albums show how amazing his singing is more clearly, especially songs like Idioglossia and Undertow.
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Eh, Enter Rain is great but compared to other finales of theirs definitely pales. It did not stick with me nearly as much. Beyond the Pale and TPE are so powerful they have actually brought me to tears on bad days... and Leaving Entropia :heart
Scarsick. Was this a smart move?
Wolfenstein, you and I seem to be on the same page very often regarding taste in music so I feel pretty confident suggesting The Perfect Element. Check out Reconciliation, The Perfect Element, and Used on youtube to get a taste since those are three of my favorite tracks from it.
Yeah, but I don't think these disembodied tracks will do the album justice. It needs to be heard all in one sitting... multiple times :)
Anyway, why isn't this all in the PoS thread??
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As far as TPE goes, King of Loss was the absolute last song to click for me. I had never noticed the reprise of Used that kicks that song up to a whole new level. I guess my brain just turned off during that song because the first half didn't sit well with me. I officially love every second of TPE now though.
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Wait, King of Loss has a used reprise? Where?
Also, thanks Jack, you're the first person on this board who agrees with me about Enter Rain.
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Wait, King of Loss has a used reprise? Where?
Also, thanks Jack, you're the first person on this board who agrees with me about Enter Rain.
Towards the end of the song. I'll get a timestamp. 7:03
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HOW CAN SOMEONE NOT HEAR THAT ON THE FIRST LISTEN
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HOW CAN SOMEONE NOT HEAR THAT ON THE FIRST LISTEN
I honestly don't know. It's one of my favorite moments on the album now that I know it's there.
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The "we're all crying" part?
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The "we're all crying" part?
No, it's actually the part with OF COURSE IT'S THAT PART
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Eh, I barely consider that a reprise. But whatever works.
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Just because it's not as blatant as the Ashes reprise in Idioglossia doesn't make it not a reprise. :p
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So you barely consider taking the entire chorus of a song and putting it into another song to be a reprise?
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So you barely consider taking the entire chorus of a song and putting it into another song to be a reprise?
No, I barely consider taking a slightly similar melody and similar words and throwing it into another song to be a reprise. I dunno, it just never "wowd" me and we're talking about my favorite album of all time here.
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It's not really slightly similar. More like the exact same melody. Just a little slower.
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Eh, starts off. Drifts away from it though.
Hey man, if that part gets you hard, more power to you, I am all for people enjoying this album on as many levels as possible. It just do much for me.
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I always noticed that but never thought of it as a reprise although I guess it fits the definition?
Also, thanks Jack, you're the first person on this board who agrees with me about Enter Rain.
Really? Yeah, just doesn't do it for me quite the same, doesn't have as much feeling IMO.
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Okay. I'll give my reasons as to why Scarsick is nowhere near what POS is capable of. First off, vocals. Daniel has a pretty awesome voice. We can all agree on that. Why someone with a voice like his would choose to rap is completely beyond me. Second, lyrics. Daniel is an amazing lyricist, yet much of the lyrics on Scarsick are nothing short of deplorable. Third, music. POS has made some of the most emotionally touching progressive metal I've ever heard, and they chose to make Disco Queen.
All of DT's albums have a different sound too. Systematic Chaos is EASILY their least awesome effort. Now, POS is a very diverse band. I agree there. But, Remedy Lane and The Perfect Element sound very similar. They follow the same styles, for the most part. It's what they do best, and that's why I believe those two are their strongest efforts. I'm all about being progressive, but when the music takes such a serious turn for the worse like Scarsick does, I should be allowed to dislike it. I shouldn't have to alter my opinion on it because "Oh, they're trying something new. I have to like it out of respect for the band." Objectively, Scarsick is pretty bad.
The OP should also keep in mind that, except for a few fanatics and the people at Remedy Lane forums (a community you should really just avoid at all costs), what UMH has posted here seems to be the general sentiments about Scarsick from the greater music-listening community.
As far as that line about "humanity not being able to put light bulbs together" in "BE"... those lyrics pretty much sum up everything that's wrong with Daniel Gildenlow when he decides to get on his soapbox. He's really immature, unfair, and ranty. He speaks his mind before he bothers taking the time to look at things from all the angles. Had he been alive during the Renaissance, he'd have been the one person bitching that the printing press is making people (who don't even know how to bind books anymore) lazy.
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I always noticed that but never thought of it as a reprise although I guess it fits the definition?
Also, thanks Jack, you're the first person on this board who agrees with me about Enter Rain.
Really? Yeah, just doesn't do it for me quite the same, doesn't have as much feeling IMO.
Yea, everyone says how the chorus is the most powerful thing ever, but the chorus is the one part of the song I never really cared for very much. Though I will agree the ending is insane.
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Okay. I'll give my reasons as to why Scarsick is nowhere near what POS is capable of. First off, vocals. Daniel has a pretty awesome voice. We can all agree on that. Why someone with a voice like his would choose to rap is completely beyond me. Second, lyrics. Daniel is an amazing lyricist, yet much of the lyrics on Scarsick are nothing short of deplorable. Third, music. POS has made some of the most emotionally touching progressive metal I've ever heard, and they chose to make Disco Queen.
All of DT's albums have a different sound too. Systematic Chaos is EASILY their least awesome effort. Now, POS is a very diverse band. I agree there. But, Remedy Lane and The Perfect Element sound very similar. They follow the same styles, for the most part. It's what they do best, and that's why I believe those two are their strongest efforts. I'm all about being progressive, but when the music takes such a serious turn for the worse like Scarsick does, I should be allowed to dislike it. I shouldn't have to alter my opinion on it because "Oh, they're trying something new. I have to like it out of respect for the band." Objectively, Scarsick is pretty bad.
UMH, I understand where you're coming from but there is really nothing objective about this. Of course you should be allowed to dislike the album, because we're all different... so saying it's objectively bad kind of contradicts that in a way. I happen to enjoy the album (even Disco Queen, which I think is awesome and hilarious). I agree it's not as strong as most of the others, but I do appreciate that they're doing something different. I don't think people need to like the album out of respect for that, but I do think the band should be respected for not being stagnant and trying new things, even if we don't like them. That's why I continued to respect DT after I saw them going in a direction I didn't like. Now, however, I don't think they're being very "progressive"... but that's a whole different thread :P
Edit: I also don't see the problem with the rapping thing. DG has done stuff like that before, just not to the same extent... I think it's interesting (even if I don't like it as much as his singing) and don't agree with knocking rap as a form, which it seems like you're doing by basically saying he's wasting his voice on it. Not to mention the rapping serves a purpose.
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I always noticed that but never thought of it as a reprise although I guess it fits the definition?
Also, thanks Jack, you're the first person on this board who agrees with me about Enter Rain.
Really? Yeah, just doesn't do it for me quite the same, doesn't have as much feeling IMO.
Yea, everyone says how the chorus is the most powerful thing ever, but the chorus is the one part of the song I never really cared for very much. Though I will agree the ending is insane.
That's weird; I never realized people felt that way about the chorus. I think it's pretty weak, too.
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Ok.
*rapes setra*
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Do forum rules apply to PMs or just posts?
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They apply to PMs as well. IF'N YA GET CAUGHT
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lol... never heard/seen anyone say if'n before
edit: I forgot you can email people through here too, never mind
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lol... never heard/seen anyone say if'n before
edit: I forgot you can email people through here too, never mind
NO I WILL NOT MAKE OUT WITH YOU!
And my car is in a tightly secured garage, no worries.
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Fine :P
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I AM.
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Okay. I'll give my reasons as to why Scarsick is nowhere near what POS is capable of. First off, vocals. Daniel has a pretty awesome voice. We can all agree on that. Why someone with a voice like his would choose to rap is completely beyond me. Second, lyrics. Daniel is an amazing lyricist, yet much of the lyrics on Scarsick are nothing short of deplorable. Third, music. POS has made some of the most emotionally touching progressive metal I've ever heard, and they chose to make Disco Queen.
All of DT's albums have a different sound too. Systematic Chaos is EASILY their least awesome effort. Now, POS is a very diverse band. I agree there. But, Remedy Lane and The Perfect Element sound very similar. They follow the same styles, for the most part. It's what they do best, and that's why I believe those two are their strongest efforts. I'm all about being progressive, but when the music takes such a serious turn for the worse like Scarsick does, I should be allowed to dislike it. I shouldn't have to alter my opinion on it because "Oh, they're trying something new. I have to like it out of respect for the band." Objectively, Scarsick is pretty bad.
The OP should also keep in mind that, except for a few fanatics and the people at Remedy Lane forums (a community you should really just avoid at all costs), what UMH has posted here seems to be the general sentiments about Scarsick from the greater music-listening community.
As far as that line about "humanity not being able to put light bulbs together" in "BE"... those lyrics pretty much sum up everything that's wrong with Daniel Gildenlow when he decides to get on his soapbox. He's really immature, unfair, and ranty. He speaks his mind before he bothers taking the time to look at things from all the angles. Had he been alive during the Renaissance, he'd have been the one person bitching that the printing press is making people (who don't even know how to bind books anymore) lazy.
It has 3.11/5 on Rate Your Music. From over 800 ratings.
I dunno which "greater music-listening community" you're talking to, but the one I know isn't scandalised when an album doesn't sound like Remedy Lane.
Reception was lukewarm, but the only people who are considering it "objectively bad" are a handful of loyal fans who have too many preconceptions to judge it on its own merits.
Note that half the criticisms are comparative. "Daniel is an amazing lyricist, yet...," "He has x voice, but...," "He's made some of the most emotionally touching progressive metal, and then..." Actually, all of them. Those criticisms couldn't be more unique to hardened fans of Pain of Salvation if they tried. As though a band which makes an emotional and deeply heartfelt album should then be confined to that tiny pallet of fanwank until such time as they disband.
Not being as good as The Perfect Element isn't a crime. It's a very raw, dirty album, which expresses a lot of rage in a creative, and new way. I'm not telling you to like it, I'm just telling you that it's not objectively bad, nor is it the only real way to perceive it. Or even the only common way to perceive it. Yes, it's polarising. But even if everyone who hated it were voting on it with ones - assuming it's total tosh - everyone else has managed to drag it back up over the three mark, ergo an overwhelming number of fours and fives. So the "greater music community" clearly like it more than they hate it, using the best neutral meter I could be arsed to rustle up in five seconds.
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Haha, thread derail but I went to rym and on the Scarsick review page someone bitched about Ghost Reveries sucking so I looked that up and on the recent reviews I found a guy that rated every Opeth and Radiohead album a .5. lol.
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Eh, Enter Rain is great but compared to other finales of theirs definitely pales. It did not stick with me nearly as much. Beyond the Pale and TPE are so powerful they have actually brought me to tears on bad days... and Leaving Entropia :heart
No, no, no, no way. TPE is absolutely and totally awesome, but Enter Rain is on exactly the same level of genius and emotional strength. I know few songs which have such a strong emotional - and intellectual - impact on me. Beyond The Pale isn't even close in my opinion...
The OP should also keep in mind that, except for a few fanatics and the people at Remedy Lane forums (a community you should really just avoid at all costs), what UMH has posted here seems to be the general sentiments about Scarsick from the greater music-listening community.
You've just taken ignorance to a whole new level.
1) I'm not a PoS fanatic, yet I think Scarsick is awesome.
2) The RL board is more whiny about PoS than DTF is about DT, and especially about Scarsick.
3) Do I even need to comment the last part? Scarsick is the most extreme example of a "love or hate" album ever, with the tendency, despite everything, shifting towards the former. It's just the haters are usually louder about it.
Plus, what robwebster said, very good post (like usually).
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^Definitely agree with you there, buddy.
Scarsick is a masterpiece.
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Hmm I was wondering why Remedy Lane forum has to be avoided?
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ENTROPIAAAA
::clears throat at Adami :D::
No, no, no, no way. TPE is absolutely and totally awesome, but Enter Rain is on exactly the same level of genius and emotional strength. I know few songs which have such a strong emotional - and intellectual - impact on me. Beyond The Pale isn't even close in my opinion...
Yes yes yes yes way in my opinion. You're totally entitled to your own views but don't tell me I'm wrong for feeling that way :)
To me, Enter Rain does not enter the realm of "genius." Powerful, yes, but as I said it does not have nearly the emotional impact on me that either TPE or BTP does. We're all different; I have a lot of personal experience that connects me to Remedy Lane and makes it very powerful for me.
I dunno which "greater music-listening community" you're talking to, but the one I know isn't scandalised when an album doesn't sound like Remedy Lane.
Reception was lukewarm, but the only people who are considering it "objectively bad" are a handful of loyal fans who have too many preconceptions to judge it on its own merits.
Note that half the criticisms are comparative. "Daniel is an amazing lyricist, yet...," "He has x voice, but...," "He's made some of the most emotionally touching progressive metal, and then..." Actually, all of them. Those criticisms couldn't be more unique to hardened fans of Pain of Salvation if they tried. As though a band which makes an emotional and deeply heartfelt album should then be confined to that tiny pallet of fanwank until such time as they disband.
Not being as good as The Perfect Element isn't a crime. It's a very raw, dirty album, which expresses a lot of rage in a creative, and new way. I'm not telling you to like it, I'm just telling you that it's not objectively bad, nor is it the only real way to perceive it. Or even the only common way to perceive it.
Good points :tup
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No, no, no, no way. TPE is absolutely and totally awesome, but Enter Rain is on exactly the same level of genius and emotional strength. I know few songs which have such a strong emotional - and intellectual - impact on me. Beyond The Pale isn't even close in my opinion...
Yes yes yes yes way in my opinion. You're totally entitled to your own views but don't tell me I'm wrong for feeling that way :)
To me, Enter Rain does not enter the realm of "genius." Powerful, yes, but as I said it does not have nearly the emotional impact on me that either TPE or BTP does. We're all different; I have a lot of personal experience that connects me to Remedy Lane and makes it very powerful for me.
I haven't said you're wrong, just what I think. I know we don't have to agree, but I just felt like explaining how I see it ;)
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I don't get how some people can be so ignorant. Nobody have to love every album that's for sure but at least don't "objectively" say how bad and dull it is.
I would rather listen to Scarsick than TPE anyday. I love TPE but Scarsick for me is easily one of the best POS albums. But it took a lot of time to appreciate it, I hated it completely on first listen but then after many many listens I found out how interesting and amazing it is especially musically but also lyrically. Somehow the concept is the easiest and the most interesting to relate to from all POS albums and no I'm against the blind extreme points of view to the world at all and I'm trying to find both positive and negative sides to everything and I know that Scarsick might seem like it has these dull blind crticism lyrics. Even though I don't think so maybe Daniel wanted it that way but if he did I don't care anyway cause all lyrics have to be open to interpretation... And I understand them from the point of view of "he" which should be prettly obvious actually and it explains the blindness of the lyrcis and adds a lot of depth to the them, and music too like Idocracy and especially the verses or how to call them, they are absolutelly awesome when you relate to the main character.
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I don't get how some people can be so ignorant. Nobody have to love every album that's for sure but at least don't "objectively" say how bad and dull it is.
I would rather listen to Scarsick than TPE anyday. I love TPE but Scarsick for me is easily one of the best POS albums. But it took a lot of time to appreciate it, I hated it completely on first listen but then after many many listens I found out how interesting and amazing it is especially musically but also lyrically. Somehow the concept is the easiest and the most interesting to relate to from all POS albums and no I'm against the blind extreme points of view to the world at all and I'm trying to find both positive and negative sides to everything and I know that Scarsick might seem like it has these dull blind crticism lyrics. Even though I don't think so maybe Daniel wanted it that way but if he did I don't care anyway cause all lyrics have to be open to interpretation... And I understand them from the point of view of "he" which should be prettly obvious actually and it explains the blindness of the lyrcis and adds a lot of depth to the them, and music too like Idocracy and especially the verses or how to call them, they are absolutelly awesome when you relate to the main character.
Agreed.
I am totally cool with anyone who doesn't like Be or Scarsick. But when people go out of their way to say they're bad - without any real statement as to why they feel this way, well, it does annoy me a bit.
What you see is what you get with PoS. Compared to a large percentage of bands in prog rock/metal, they are very high up the food chain, IMO.
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Agreed with both posts, very well-said. Just wanted to add that the Scarsick concept is great because it seems very simple at first, but it has several layers hidden much deeper... And when you go there, it's amazing. I don't have a view on the society which is as pessimistic as on Scarsick (even though it definitely is pessimistic anyway), but I can see what Daniel wanted to say, and why it is shown that way. It's the style of the album, that's it.
Btw, thanks for all the Scarsick criticism, you've made me listen to some Scarsick songs again, and soon the whole album. :lol
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I am just listening to the album again now, after work. I'm actually liking the title track quite a bit. :azn:
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I am just listening to the album again now, after work. I'm actually liking the title track quite a bit. :azn:
Pain of salvation albums really require 5+ listens through before you can start making accurate judgements on the songs. Writing 'zzzzzz' as your opinion on Idiocracy and MMMM after one listen is pretty immature. Give the songs some time, read the lyrics and for God's sake buy REMEDY LANE, THE PERFECT ELEMENT AND BE!!
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I am just listening to the album again now, after work. I'm actually liking the title track quite a bit. :azn:
Writing 'zzzzzz' as your opinion on Idiocracy and MMMM after one listen is pretty immature.
How is it immature? I clearly stated that it was my first listen and after that, 'zzzzzzzzz' were my feelings. I then stated that I did need to listen more and obviously had not discovered it's beauty and magic yet.
I am sorry to offend you with my horrible opinions ::)
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I'm not offended, i'm glad you are getting into POS. You seriously need to grab the other three albums I mentioned though because, while Scarsick is good, it is vastly inferior to those albums.
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I'm not offended, i'm glad you are getting into POS. You seriously need to grab the other three albums I mentioned though because, while Scarsick is good, it is vastly inferior to those albums.
Excellent, I look forward to picking them up. I will hopefully be able to get out this weekend, although work could get in the way.
Oh, listening to Scarsick again. I must say all tracks are growing on me. Every song has it's own personality, Disco Queen is surprisingly getting stuck in my head.
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I'm not offended, i'm glad you are getting into POS. You seriously need to grab the other three albums I mentioned though because, while Scarsick is good, it is vastly inferior to those albums.
Excellent, I look forward to picking them up. I will hopefully be able to get out this weekend, although work could get in the way.
Oh, listening to Scarsick again. I must say all tracks are growing on me. Every song has it's own personality, Disco Queen is surprisingly getting stuck in my head.
You don't need to add "surprisingly". Disco Queen is pretty much designed to get stuck in your head. Awesome song though.
AAAHHHHH!!!!
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I'm not offended, i'm glad you are getting into POS. You seriously need to grab the other three albums I mentioned though because, while Scarsick is good, it is vastly inferior to those albums.
Excellent, I look forward to picking them up. I will hopefully be able to get out this weekend, although work could get in the way.
Oh, listening to Scarsick again. I must say all tracks are growing on me. Every song has it's own personality, Disco Queen is surprisingly getting stuck in my head.
You don't need to add "surprisingly". Disco Queen is pretty much designed to get stuck in your head. Awesome song though.
AAAHHHHH!!!!
The middle section is AMAZING!!!
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NO LOVE FOR ENTROPIA?
Seriously, Entropia is the best them. I'd recommend it first before Remedy Lane.
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NO LOVE FOR ENTROPIA?
Seriously, Entropia is the best them. I'd recommend it first before Remedy Lane.
Every album is just amazing.
Seriously, Road Salt could be borderline dog shit, but it would still be awesome.
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Disco Queen is surprisingly getting stuck in my head.
And now it's in my head too.
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Even though I agree Scarsick is their worst album, I find myself liking it a lot. I love Disco Queen, you haters.
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I love Disco Queen too, I just don't like having it stuck in my head 'cos then I'm forced to sing along and people give me weird looks...
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I love Disco Queen too, I just don't like having it stuck in my head 'cos then I'm forced to sing along and people give me weird looks...
Enjoy the weird looks. Disco Queen rocks.
Play it for old people, they dance in the streets.
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:lol
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I love Disco Queen too, I just don't like having it stuck in my head 'cos then I'm forced to sing along and people give me weird looks...
Enjoy the weird looks. Disco Queen rocks.
Play it for old people, they dance in the streets.
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LET'S DISCO
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It has 3.11/5 on Rate Your Music. From over 800 ratings.
I dunno which "greater music-listening community" you're talking to, but the one I know isn't scandalised when an album doesn't sound like Remedy Lane.
I don't what you're trying to say. Reception for Scarsick was poor. 3 outta 5 stars isn't exactly something to brag about, especially on the internet.
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It's a far, far, far cry from universal loathing. Means the higher ratings are either stronger, or more numerous, than the lower ratings. RYM is the closest thing to an independent adjudicator I could think of, and it adjusts the scores to counteract fanboy spaff.
What UMH had posted, there, was not the general sentiment about Scarsick from the greater music-listening community. It, more than anything, was the general viewpoint of scorned fanboys who come rolling in with their preconceptions. It's They Changed It Now It Sucks (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheyChangedItNowItSucks). They're insular criticisms, based more on the quality of their prior output than anything else.
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"Universal loathing" is a far, far, far cry from what anyone said. The point is, while Scarsick isn't the worst album out there, it's pretty fucking terrible. And most people seem to agree that it's one of those PoS albums you save for last if you're trying to get into them. I don't see how you can blame it on the fans, since they're the only ones who seem to care about defending it.
I'm not basing my opinion on Scarsick on their previous output either, so thank you very much. I love Be, which was a big change from Remedy Lane (which itself was very different from TPE, and so on). Simply put, Daniel Gildenlow can't rap, and thankfully from what I can tell of Road Salt he's given up trying. The music itself is hook driven and gets stale pretty quickly. The lyrics are some of the worst I've heard on an album, and fall somewhere in the category of "parody" only they're not funny or amusing, just sad and a little pathetic.
Furthermore, as the album that's supposedly the sequel to The Perfect Element pt. 1, one of the most beloved albums by the fans, I'm not quite sure why I was supposed to leave my expectations for Scarsick at the door anyway.
Regardless, I for one am glad PoS aren't the type of band to do the same thing twice. Road Salt already sounds light-years ahead of Scarsick in terms of everything.
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You know, it really is baffling because I don't see Scarsick as terrible at all. I felt that way at first, but after a couple of months I grew to love it.
On some days it's my favourite PoS album. And this is coming from a HUGE fan of RL and TPE.
It usually depends on what mood i'm in. Music is what you make of it, and while some people make Scarsick to be total rubbish, I find it refreshing and original in an genre that quite often repeats itself.
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"Universal loathing" is a far, far, far cry from what anyone said. The point is, while Scarsick isn't the worst album out there, it's pretty fucking terrible. And most people seem to agree that it's one of those PoS albums you save for last if you're trying to get into them. I don't see how you can blame it on the fans, since they're the only ones who seem to care about defending it.
I'm not basing my opinion on Scarsick on their previous output either, so thank you very much. I love Be, which was a big change from Remedy Lane (which itself was very different from TPE, and so on). Simply put, Daniel Gildenlow can't rap, and thankfully from what I can tell of Road Salt he's given up trying. The music itself is hook driven and gets stale pretty quickly. The lyrics are some of the worst I've heard on an album, and fall somewhere in the category of "parody" only they're not funny or amusing, just sad and a little pathetic.
Furthermore, as the album that's supposedly the sequel to The Perfect Element pt. 1, one of the most beloved albums by the fans, I'm not quite sure why I was supposed to leave my expectations for Scarsick at the door anyway.
Regardless, I for one am glad PoS aren't the type of band to do the same thing twice. Road Salt already sounds light-years ahead of Scarsick in terms of everything.
Well that's not what I'm contesting, so fair doos on that bit. Have an opinion! It's stellar. Hey, have two. I don't mind.
What you said, is "what UMH has posted here seems to be the general sentiments about Scarsick from the greater music-listening community." Only bit I'm challenging really, but oh boy it's wrong. Steeped in wrong. It's not unanimous, but the greater music listening community are much warmer - by the best, broadest meter I could rustle up, and frankly none of the opinions he expressed would even make sense applied on a broader scale.
UMH said "objectively, it's pretty bad" - you said "this is the general opinion." It's not. That's just a lie. It's very much an insular, internet-PoS-fan, cabin fever kinda perspective. He even quoted an intimate knowledge of the back-catalogue as necessary background to all of the reasons he didn't like it. That couldn't be more PoS-fanny. An anecdotal sample pasted together from self-selected, opinionated people from the internet who like to grumble and make lists - much like myself. There are plenty of them, for sure, but there are plenty more people who think it's at least "good," if not even "great." Truth is, though, there are plenty of people who dig it. Oodles of the buggers - as the RYM score reveals. You, yourself, put down its apparently-few defenders as "a few fanatics and the people at Remedy Lane" - as though the only reason anyone would like it was because they have a bit of a boner for more or less anything PoS put out. Kinda dismissed it as the ramblings of mad people - you even called the people who thought it was ace part of "a community you should avoid at all costs." But, regardless of how bad RL may be (I've never been) - people who like it are the majority!
"Objectively, Scarsick is pretty bad?" Objectively, what a load of old cobblers! There is no objective scale on which that's true. If you don't like it, grand! Hate it, if you want. Loathe it! Form a little club about it, that'd be nice. Nice to be in a club. Sense of belonging. But it's not the consensus. Which doesn't make your opinions any less or more valid! Just means that bit about Scarsick being objectively bad is wrong. And the one about only a few idiot fans liking it is also wrong. (Although I'm sure there are plenty of idiots who f'ing love the thing.)
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Maybe I was wrong saying "general music listening community," and should have said "PoS fan community." Does anyone but PoS fans care, know about, or listen to any of their albums?
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Haha, you'd be surprised! God knows how you go about finding them but yeah, I think there's a lot of people who have a sort of casual interest rather than being a full-fledged list-making fan. Heck, I'd v. poss qualify - depends how loose your definition is. I'm borderline, anyway.
Sorry about going off on one, by the way. I hate being all grumpy and hectoring. Just one of my personal bugbears.
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Alright. This weekend I picked up;
12:5
Linoleum
Ending Themes (2DVD/2CD)
I haven't given any much of a listen yet as work is crazy at the moment, but managed to have a quick look at the DVD and it seems quite good so far. Only up to the third song but Nightmist is amazing!!!!!
Still searching for the other classics everyone is raving about, I will have another search this coming weekend.
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Alright. This weekend I picked up;
12:5
Linoleum
Ending Themes (2DVD/2CD)
I haven't given any much of a listen yet as work is crazy at the moment, but managed to have a quick look at the DVD and it seems quite good so far. Only up to the third song but Nightmist is amazing!!!!!
Still searching for the other classics everyone is raving about, I will have another search this coming weekend.
Interesting choices. Make Remedy Lane your next pick.
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^ That or the Perfect Element.
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Alright. This weekend I picked up;
12:5
Linoleum
Ending Themes (2DVD/2CD)
I haven't given any much of a listen yet as work is crazy at the moment, but managed to have a quick look at the DVD and it seems quite good so far. Only up to the third song but Nightmist is amazing!!!!!
Still searching for the other classics everyone is raving about, I will have another search this coming weekend.
12:5 is incredible. It's the best thing they've released in years.
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12:5 is probably the best 'unplugged' album I've ever heard.
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Alright. This weekend I picked up;
12:5
Linoleum
Ending Themes (2DVD/2CD)
I haven't given any much of a listen yet as work is crazy at the moment, but managed to have a quick look at the DVD and it seems quite good so far. Only up to the third song but Nightmist is amazing!!!!!
Still searching for the other classics everyone is raving about, I will have another search this coming weekend.
Interesting choices. Make Remedy Lane your next pick.
These were all I could find. Gonna search for Remedy and Element this weekend!
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NP: Handful of Nothing (live) *drool*
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NP: Handful of Nothing (live) *drool*
Oh man, the outro they add on live just makes that song.
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NP: Handful of Nothing (live) *drool*
Oh man, the outro they add on live just makes that song.
I remember hearing that outro for the first time and thinking "jesus, why can't their new stuff go in this direction?"
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Because the new stuff is even better? :P
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Because the new stuff is even better? :P
Maybe it's cause the production of that live album is 1000 times better than the production they are willingly going with now, I dunno. But I like the outro better than a lot of what I've heard, not that it's bad.
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The song Ashes is AMAZING!!!!!
1 thing I have learnt from the DVD so far is that Daniel is a fucking excellent guitarist, tasty chops. !(foreward) kicks ass also.