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Title: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: bosk1 on April 29, 2010, 11:01:16 AM
I know I'm going to catch a lot of criticism for this, but I'm just listening to my EP version of Systematic Chaos on iTunes and appreciating how amazingly awesome it is when you rearrange the tracks a bit and cut out the 21 minutes of PoW and TMOLS that, to me, create way too much of a lull that make me lose interest in the album.

My track list and track order:
ITPOE1
ITPOE2
Forsaken
Constant Motion
Repentence
TDEN

Perfection.
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: RandalGraves on April 29, 2010, 11:03:56 AM
Nice.  I'm not nuts about Constant Motion, but I can see this working out a lot better.  I recently did this with Opeth's Watershed (cutting off the last two tracks).
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: glaurung on April 29, 2010, 11:41:08 AM
I was going to start cutting songs I would get rid of ITPOE Part 2 and Forsaken before anything else.
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: yeshaberto on April 29, 2010, 11:44:23 AM
*criticizes*
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: KevShmev on April 29, 2010, 11:47:06 AM
Is there a way I can get rid of both "Forsaken" and "Constant Motion," but keep the guitar solos? 
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: Nick on April 29, 2010, 11:50:28 AM
Didn't you make this thread like, 6 months ago? :lol

Anyway I agree with cutting Ministry, but PoW is awesome.
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: Dublagent66 on April 29, 2010, 11:52:10 AM
Remove PoW only = Awesome.
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 29, 2010, 11:56:13 AM
Systematic Chaos minus Constant Motion, Forsaken, and Prophets of War = tasty.
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: Shadow2222 on April 29, 2010, 11:59:39 AM
Forsaken, Prophets of War, and TMOLS are my favorite songs off the album.
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: Dark Master Of Sin on April 29, 2010, 12:09:07 PM
I really like TMOLS but I don't like PoW...
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: Bombardana on April 29, 2010, 12:10:11 PM
I recently did this with Opeth's Watershed (cutting off the last two tracks).
:'(
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: pogoowner on April 29, 2010, 12:13:51 PM
The Ministry of Lost Souls is one of the best parts of the album. Cut The Dark Eternal Night instead.
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: icarus4321 on April 29, 2010, 12:19:39 PM
Yeah, I would prefer to lose POW and TDEN myself.
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: ScioPath on April 29, 2010, 12:20:08 PM
The Ministry of Lost Souls is one of the best parts of the album. Cut The Dark Eternal Night instead.

alright. first sentence = (https://fc02.deviantart.net/fs31/f/2008/209/8/1/emoticon_guitar_solo__D_by_TheBigBadFish.gif)  :metal
second sentence =  :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: Sigz on April 29, 2010, 12:22:42 PM
The Ministry of Lost Souls is one of the best parts of the album. Cut ITPOE pt. 2 instead.

this


TMOLS is kinda meh too though, just because of the instrumental section.
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: antigoon on April 29, 2010, 12:26:36 PM
Just get rid of The Reckoning from ITPOE 2 and cut a minute or two off the end of Repentance and you have a much better record.
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: Mebert78 on April 29, 2010, 12:40:45 PM
"The Ministry of Lost Souls" is the best, most beautiful song from the past two albums, in my opinion.  Personally, that would be the last thing I would cut.
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: ariich on April 29, 2010, 12:52:36 PM
Didn't you make this thread like, 6 months ago? :lol

Anyway I agree with cutting Ministry, but PoW is awesome.
Wtf, wrong way round.
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: Silver Tears on April 29, 2010, 12:54:12 PM
Didn't you make this thread like, 6 months ago? :lol

Anyway I agree with cutting Ministry, but PoW is awesome.
Wtf, wrong way round.

PoW would be the first one to go for me.
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: xeper on April 29, 2010, 12:59:55 PM
The guitar solo in TMOLS would make a great album.
Seriously, that solo is bitchin'.
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: OsMosis2259 on April 29, 2010, 01:02:29 PM
Remove Prophets of War and then I think it is a much better album. 
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: antigoon on April 29, 2010, 01:03:39 PM
You guys suck, Prophets of War is one of the best tracks on that record. Whether that says more about my opinion of the record or my opinion of the track I will leave up to you.
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: LCArenas on April 29, 2010, 01:21:19 PM
I recently did this with Opeth's Watershed (cutting off the last two tracks).
wat
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: skydivingninja on April 29, 2010, 01:25:04 PM
I recently did this with Opeth's Watershed (cutting off the last two tracks).
wat

Srsly this.  Hessian Peel is too amazing to leave off.

As for an EP version of Systematic Chaos, if you took off TDEN and CM too I think it would be better.  Of course, "Forsaken" and "Repentance" are the only songs from SC that I listen to with any regularity.
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: Cool Chris on April 29, 2010, 01:34:24 PM
As for an EP version of Systematic Chaos, if you took off TDEN and CM too I think it would be better.  

FINALLY! Someone gets it. CM and TDEN are two of the worst songs in their entire catalog. I would rank the below album in top 5 easily, maybe top 4.

I don't particularly like Repentance/PoW where they are, but don't know how else to situate them. I personally like the separation of ItPoE, and love Ministry. Forsaken and PoW are good songs I enjoy as well.


In the Presence of Enemies pt 1
Forsaken
Repentance (up till the apologies start)
Prophets of War
The Ministry of Lost Souls
the Presence of Enemies pt 2 * Damn cut-and-paste *
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: ScioPath on April 29, 2010, 01:58:23 PM
itpoe1 twice?
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 29, 2010, 02:03:19 PM
You guys suck, Prophets of War is one of the best tracks on that record. Whether that says something about the record or the track I will leave up to you
Well, it certainly says something about you.
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: antigoon on April 29, 2010, 02:07:16 PM
Fair enough.
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 29, 2010, 02:53:16 PM
 :biggrin:
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: ariich on April 29, 2010, 02:53:56 PM
You guys suck, Prophets of War is one of the best tracks on that record. Whether that says something about the record or the track I will leave up to you
Well, it certainly says something about you.
My thoughts exactly. :lol
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: antigoon on April 29, 2010, 03:04:45 PM
Well, at least I edited it so that it makes sense now.
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: Darkes7 on April 29, 2010, 03:46:05 PM
Omg, not another "Systematic Chaos EP" thread...

The album is perfect the way it is. Period.
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: robwebster on April 29, 2010, 04:01:47 PM
Just so everyone's aware, 79-21 = 58. Which, if nothing else, is proof that this was intentional and the band wanted everyone to nix those songs.

(Even though I quite like POW and TMOLS.)
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: Setlist Scotty on April 29, 2010, 04:01:59 PM
*criticizes*

Word.
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: kirbywelch92 on April 29, 2010, 05:06:29 PM
79-21=58!!!!

FUCKIN' NUGGETS, HOW DO THEY WORK?????

Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 29, 2010, 07:15:01 PM
Omg, not another "Systematic Chaos EP" thread...

The album is perfect the way it is. Period.
Which is obviously why so many people have responded in this thread to the contrary.
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: Darkes7 on April 29, 2010, 07:28:15 PM
I see the idea of "majority is always right" is still alive and doing well.
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: Adami on April 29, 2010, 07:46:28 PM
I see the idea of "majority is always right" is still alive and doing well.

It's pretty much their weakest album, and if it were perfect, it wouldn't be. Lots of cool moments, tons of lame moments.
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: Sintheros on April 30, 2010, 12:32:05 AM
I see the idea of "majority is always right" is still alive and doing well.

Trains is good, Conceiving You is not, and Systematic Chaos is DT's worst album that isn't pulled down by Dominici or corporate meddling.
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: TAC on April 30, 2010, 06:06:09 AM
Didn't you make this thread like, 6 months ago? :lol


..and 6 months before that..


...and 6 months before that! :\
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: Mladen on April 30, 2010, 06:22:15 AM
Another ''which songs should we cut out to make SC a better album'' thread...

The answer - none. All of the songs are great in their own way. Overall, I'd even say Systematic chaos is my 4th favorite Dream Theater album.

 :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: TAC on April 30, 2010, 06:33:10 AM
Yeah I agree. I love the majesticness of the TMOLS' intro, and it really hits you at the right time. And I think POW works great after the dreariness of Repentance.
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: cthrubuoy on April 30, 2010, 07:10:07 AM
79-21=58!!!!

FUCKIN' NUGGETS, HOW DO THEY WORK?????



I was just about to post that!
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on April 30, 2010, 09:17:35 AM
79-21=58!!!!

FUCKIN' NUGGETS, HOW DO THEY WORK?????


They are designed by a higher power. They are beyond your comprehension
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: orcus116 on April 30, 2010, 09:21:36 AM
 :lol

What did DT get their fanbase into when they started that stuff?
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 30, 2010, 09:49:04 AM
I see the idea of "majority is always right" is still alive and doing well.
If it were perfect, you wouldn't be the only one who thinks it is perfect.  That's all I'm saying.
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: Dublagent66 on April 30, 2010, 10:28:02 AM
I see the idea of "majority is always right" is still alive and doing well.

It's not about right or wrong but rather popular opinion.
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on April 30, 2010, 10:29:12 AM
I see the idea of "majority is always right" is still alive and doing well.

It's not about right or wrong but rather popular opinion.
But normally, the majority's opinion contributes to what's called or considered "objective" within music.
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: Dublagent66 on April 30, 2010, 11:05:27 AM
I see the idea of "majority is always right" is still alive and doing well.

It's not about right or wrong but rather popular opinion.
But normally, the majority's opinion contributes to what's called or considered "objective" within music.

True, but to a smaller degree since opinions are mostly "subjective".
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: Arcaeus on April 30, 2010, 11:46:28 AM
Nice.  I'm not nuts about Constant Motion, but I can see this working out a lot better.  I recently did this with Opeth's Watershed (cutting off the last two tracks).

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on April 30, 2010, 12:13:16 PM
I see the idea of "majority is always right" is still alive and doing well.

It's not about right or wrong but rather popular opinion.
But normally, the majority's opinion contributes to what's called or considered "objective" within music.

True, but to a smaller degree since opinions are mostly "subjective".
Well, opinions are always subjective.  :P
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: Adami on April 30, 2010, 12:14:10 PM
Not mine.
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: Dublagent66 on April 30, 2010, 02:33:57 PM
I see the idea of "majority is always right" is still alive and doing well.

It's not about right or wrong but rather popular opinion.
But normally, the majority's opinion contributes to what's called or considered "objective" within music.

True, but to a smaller degree since opinions are mostly "subjective".
Well, opinions are always subjective.  :P

Objectively speaking?  LOL
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on April 30, 2010, 02:48:13 PM
Not mine.
Your soul is mine.
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: Adami on April 30, 2010, 04:24:38 PM
What soul? I'm jewish.
Title: Re: 79-21=Pure Awesome!
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 01, 2010, 03:37:22 AM
What soul? I'm jewish.

Hard to argue with that :tup