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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: Jarlaxle on April 28, 2010, 03:56:06 PM
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....if for the next Dream Theater album they go a completely opposite direction and do disc like Opeth's Damnation? Having a completely acoustic disc, and if we were lucky, maybe a two disc set, one being "normal" while the other being all acoustics would be pretty sweet. Since John Myung has reportedly said to be writing lyrics again, and mostly all DT fans wanting to see more sweet bass riffs, an acoustic album could be just what we needed to bring Myung back in the picture.
Thoughts?
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DT always do a great job, so of course I'd be interested. However, I think such a scenario is highly unlikely.
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It would definitely be interesting, but my view on new albums is simple: it should be what the band feels comfortable with and what they can do the best they can. If they decide that's the next step, I'm definitely more than fine with it.
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I broached the subject about an all-acoustic disc some time ago, and it met with a lot of resistance from folks on here.
But yeah, I'd be totally down with it. All acoustic, with Jordan on a real piano.
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I'd definiteley be up for an accoustic album, but I'd rather get and Official Bootleg of their Philly 98 Christmas show. I mean the regular boot is good enough.
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DT always do a great job, so of course I'd be interested. However, I think such a scenario is highly unlikely.
As do I, but who would have thought Opeth would do it? And acoustic parts like the end of TCOT are just amazing, stuff like that would be soo goodI broached the subject about an all-acoustic disc some time ago, and it met with a lot of resistance from folks on here.
But yeah, I'd be totally down with it. All acoustic, with Jordan on a real piano.
I don't think he'd necesarrily have to be on a real piano. Yes it would be cool if most of his parts were, but the music would also need those "special sounds" like a choir or whatever it may be
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I'd definiteley be up for an accoustic album, but I'd rather get and Official Bootleg of their Philly 98 Christmas show. I mean the regular boot is good enough.
Philly is good, but Poughkeepsie is far better! :biggrin:
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I'd definiteley be up for an accoustic album, but I'd rather get and Official Bootleg of their Philly 98 Christmas show. I mean the regular boot is good enough.
Philly is good, but Poughkeepsie is far better! :biggrin:
Feel free to send a copy my way! :lol
I really do love the Philly show. James is very good on it, especially on Goodbye Yellowbrick Road.
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goodbye yellow brick road...wow, I would like to hear that!
I'm all for an acoustic album
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Give me acoustic versions of their "ballsiest" songs, and we'll talk.
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Metropolis Pt. 3!!!!
In all seriousness, I hope they return to their roots more, or just realize they don't NEED to be more prog-metal then prog-rock to still fit in today.
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return to their roots
Never. It's not called regressive rock/metal.
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I'm always for a change. So I'd be for a softer album like Opeth's Damnation or an acoustic album. i'd be ok If they mixed it with the heavy also like OV8.
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return to their roots
Never. It's not called regressive rock/metal.
Progressive doesn't mean switch genres. They can return to their roots by removing much of the sorta forced metal element and still write great music.
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Nothing is forced in the metal element since they've been a metal band since the foundation. I&W was pretty much the only lighter (and not entirely) album, every one of the other 9 isn't any more or less metal than BC&SL (obviously expect ToT), just the approach and the way it's done is different. Doing any kind of "return to the roots" means pretty much deploying a huge "we've run out of ideas" transparent, unless it's using old elements to create something new but then there's always a song or two on each album where they do this, such as The Count of Tuscany.
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Still I don't really mean staying away from "heavy", as alot of IAW is heavier, although I wouldn't call it or many of their other albums as metal as TOT, SC, BCSL. When I say metal, I really mean the modern metal production values like poor dynamics, and exaggerated mixing. They can stay heavy, but they don't need to follow the mixing and audio styles of other modern metal or prog metal acts.
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Still I don't really mean staying away from "heavy", as alot of IAW is heavier, although I wouldn't call it or many of their other albums as metal as TOT, SC, BCSL. When I say metal, I really mean the modern metal production values like poor dynamics, and exaggerated mixing. They can stay heavy, but they don't need to follow the mixing and audio styles of other modern metal or prog metal acts.
Agreed. I don't want DT albums to be ruined by the loudness war or heavy to stay current
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Acoustic is so overdone and boring.
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YES. I'm growing tired of the DT formula. Anything to switch it up would be well-appreciated.
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Acoustic is so overdone
I agree with this, to a point.
and boring.
But I definitely disagree with this; acoustic music can be fantastic. I think Dream Theater could pull it off, but it might be better as an EP rather than a full album.
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Acoustic? No, but I think an entire "mellow" CD would be nice. I don't think they would risk doing that though, unless it was a 2-disc set and the first disc was "mellow" and the second "balls." Then you'd have mellow balls.
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Acoustic? No, but I think an entire "mellow" CD would be nice. I don't think they would risk doing that though, unless it was a 2-disc set and the first disc was "mellow" and the second "balls." Then you'd have mellow balls.
Sounds like Greatest Hit...
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I really think DT could pull off something really special if they did something like this...It's a shame they're not going to.
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I say when DT shows up at the studio, they find a 4 piece kit, grand piano and a whatever other acoustic odd instruments JR can use, 5-6 differently tuned acoustic guitars, basses and a chapman stick. And DT have to make a record like that, whatever happened to challenges? Since when did being comfortable inside your box equal good and prog?
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I say when DT shows up at the studio, they find a 4 piece kit, grand piano and a whatever other acoustic odd instruments JR can use, 5-6 differently tuned acoustic guitars, basses and a chapman stick. And DT have to make a record like that, whatever happened to challenges? Since when did being comfortable inside your box equal good and prog?
Sounds a bit like LTE to me.
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I say when DT shows up at the studio, they find a 4 piece kit, grand piano and a whatever other acoustic odd instruments JR can use, 5-6 differently tuned acoustic guitars, basses and a chapman stick. And DT have to make a record like that, whatever happened to challenges? Since when did being comfortable inside your box equal good and prog?
Sounds a bit like LTE to me.
Aside from the small kit and chapman stick............how? My scenerio is all acoustic. LTE is never all acoustic.
I was just curious when it became better for bands to find a level of comfortability and never leave it and bad for them to be put into challenging situations.
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Acoustic is so overdone and boring.
And the stuff they're cranking out lately isn't? I've love to see then restrain themselves a lot, even give Jordan an all classical piano track. Some people would hate it but it'd be the freshest stuff they've come up with in a decade.
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I will probably always check out anything DT or its members do, but I'd like it if they mixed it up a bit more in the future, so sue me. This would qualify as branching out for them, even if it's not exactly a novel idea.
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I want to hear more magical songs like to live forever.
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I want to hear more magical songs like to live forever.
Very unlikely, but it's a nice thought.
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I'm up for it... Even if it's something put out as a stop gap between albums like ACOS was...
It could be reworkings of previous songs, all new or covers...
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Acoustic is so overdone and boring.
And the stuff they're cranking out lately isn't? I've love to see then restrain themselves a lot, even give Jordan an all classical piano track. Some people would hate it but it'd be the freshest stuff they've come up with in a decade.
This.
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I broached the subject about an all-acoustic disc some time ago, and it met with a lot of resistance from folks on here.
But yeah, I'd be totally down with it. All acoustic, with Jordan on a real piano.
Immediately came to my mind when I read the OP. His ivories tickle me. :blush :metal
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The more I think about this the more I get upset :lol
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I say when DT shows up at the studio, they find a 4 piece kit, grand piano and a whatever other acoustic odd instruments JR can use, 5-6 differently tuned acoustic guitars, basses and a chapman stick. And DT have to make a record like that, whatever happened to challenges? Since when did being comfortable inside your box equal good and prog?
I like the way you think.
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goodbye yellow brick road...wow, I would like to hear that!
You're missing on a great acoustic set! This was released with the International Fan Club (I think in '98?). I really like this CD. You should get your hands on it.
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I can't see DT doing an acoustic album.
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??? Damnation is not an all-acoustic CD. Far from it.
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??? Damnation is not an all-acoustic CD. Far from it.
I was thinking the same thing.
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I'll love whatever they come out with next, but I hope they do something like SFAM, Awake, or SDOIT again (in the musical aspect at least). That would be cool.
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??? Damnation is not an all-acoustic CD. Far from it.
I know it's not all acoustic, but saying "acoustic" is just an easier way of saying its mostly mellow, especially when compared to past materials.
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I want to hear more magical songs like to live forever.
Yeah me too. And I'd personally love an acoustic/mellow album by DT but I don't think it'll happen.
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A change-up of that sort would certainly be welcome. DT has become very stale to me.
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I'm happy with their sound atm, I hope they carry on the way they are atm.
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I broached the subject about an all-acoustic disc some time ago, and it met with a lot of resistance from folks on here.
But yeah, I'd be totally down with it. All acoustic, with Jordan on a real piano.
Immediately came to my mind when I read the OP. His ivories tickle me. :blush :metal
Have you guys heard his latest solo album "Notes on a Dream"? It's all him doing piano w/ reworkings of some DT tunes. Really good stuff, it's probably on iTunes/Amazon/whatever else digitally.
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I want to hear more magical songs like to live forever.
I agree. To Live Forever is one of my favourite DT songs, and I'd love to see them doing a song that is in the same or a similar vein. Unfortuantely, I can't seem them doing it.
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I want to hear more magical songs like to live forever.
I agree. To Live Forever is one of my favourite DT songs, and I'd love to see them doing a song that is in the same or a similar vein. Unfortuantely, I can't seem them doing it.
There's something so lovely and atmospheric about that song. :heart
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Hey, this is an interesting thread. I wouldn't be thrilled with an acoustic album. But I do think DT needs to modify their approach for the next album. I found it interesting in a recent interview, Jim Matheos even seems to be taking subtle shots at DT -- saying that the prog metal genre has become too much about long songs and fast playing. I took that as slight shot at DT, since DT is the face of the genre. An acoustic album? No. But something a little different? For sure!
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I'd love to see a more mellow album from DT. Their least heavy stuff (ToT, LtL, Octavarium) are some of my favorites. I'd love to see an album like that. The whole "4-piece kit, bunch of acoustic guitars and let's see what happens" thing sounds very much like Marillion's new album. Acoustic or not, I think a more mellow DT record would be really cool. It worked for The Mars Volta and Opeth.
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Hoping for a bluegrass album myself.
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I just think if DT went in with some new rules and restrictions, it might produce a very interesting outcome.
For instance. No typical JR solos. No fast unisons. One small drumkit. No more than 3 songs longer than 8 minutes and no more than 1 longer than 12. No fantasy or "straight from the diary" lyrics. No circus music or anything resembling the typical instrumental sections they have been doing since TDOE. (i'd go into more detail of that, but I don't feel like looking up time stamps). No more trying to be make "hits" and no more portnoy lead vocals.
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I just think if DT went in with some new rules and restrictions, it might produce a very interesting outcome.
For instance. No typical JR solos. No fast unisons. One small drumkit. No more than 3 songs longer than 8 minutes and no more than 1 longer than 12. No fantasy or "straight from the diary" lyrics. No circus music or anything resembling the typical instrumental sections they have been doing since TDOE. (i'd go into more detail of that, but I don't feel like looking up time stamps). No more trying to be make "hits" and no more portnoy lead vocals.
Lyrics written by JMX and JR only.
Portnoy not allowed to talk during the entire process of writing/recording the album.
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I don't care who writes lyrics, just take them seriously. In all the interviews, they all seem to chuckle when talking about petrucci's lyrics. Sure...it was funny for TDEN....but let it go. No more joke lyrics, no more "fun" lyrics, at least not until you prove you can do something different. And no, AROP doesn't count.
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A-fucking-men.
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They haven't repeated themselves in the past, so I doubt they will repeat this lyrical style as well. It's been done, it kind of worked, they'll probably move on and try something new.
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They haven't repeated themselves in the past, so I doubt they will repeat this lyrical style as well. It's been done, it kind of worked, they'll probably move on and try something new.
He's been doing horrible lyrics since ToT. Hell, I wouldn't even call anything past Awake to be "great" on petruccis part. The closest he has come is Misunderstood. Everything else was meh at best and horrible at worst.
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They haven't repeated themselves in the past, so I doubt they will repeat this lyrical style as well. It's been done, it kind of worked, they'll probably move on and try something new.
I hope they do move on, as much as I love them I don't really like their recent lyrical style.
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Wtf?
In The Name of God is IMO the best DT song lyric-wise. Most of his other lyrics don't go far behind. The Dark Eternal Night or The Count can't be compared since they're something entirely different.
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I still don't think "fun" songs should be excused. I mean did Petrucci even look at what he wrote for The Count? Some of the lines are downright embarrassing even for a joke song.
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I don't see anything wrong with the lyrics themselves, they're a well-executed idea of a tale or something. It's the way they're sung which is hilarious at times, and in a not really good way. I think I don't need to introduce the parts which I have in mind. :P
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Wtf?
In The Name of God is IMO the best DT song lyric-wise. Most of his other lyrics don't go far behind. The Dark Eternal Night or The Count can't be compared since they're something entirely different.
You're wrong. ITNOG is mediocre at best. It's just like a kids school report on the subject. As was AROP and any other "I read about this the other day" songs.
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While I wouldn't say ITNOG has the best Petrucci lyrics (that honor goes to Voices, maybe LitS), they aren't medicore at best either. They're just good. Not really good, but good. I do agree that this lyric slump they've been in since Scenes needs to end. When Mike writes the best lyrics on the new album, you know something's gone wrong, even if another thing has improved.
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There's something so lovely and atmospheric about that song. :heart
This is dead on!!!! Let the music breath a little bit. Some separation of sound. Thats what I'd like to hear.
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Wtf?
In The Name of God is IMO the best DT song lyric-wise. Most of his other lyrics don't go far behind. The Dark Eternal Night or The Count can't be compared since they're something entirely different.
You're wrong. ITNOG is mediocre at best. It's just like a kids school report on the subject. As was AROP and any other "I read about this the other day" songs.
The song has a perfect balance of metaphor and straightforward approach, and it's just perfectly shown. It shows the source of the problem, but still remains somehow poetic. It's ironic at moments, but also serious enough. And most importantly the message feels really powerful, especially the chorus which is one of the most amazing choruses DT has created (lyrics + actual vocals + music). A Rite of Passage is a different thing entirely but I really like the symbolism in the song and the way the lyrics really feel like they're written by someone who knows what he's writing about.
While I wouldn't say ITNOG has the best Petrucci lyrics (that honor goes to Voices, maybe LitS), they aren't medicore at best either. They're just good. Not really good, but good. I do agree that this lyric slump they've been in since Scenes needs to end. When Mike writes the best lyrics on the new album, you know something's gone wrong, even if another thing has improved.
What about MP this time? Another "MP bashing day" I've missed in the calendar? Honor Thy Father may not be the best but it captures the subject. All his other lyrics are really good at least, and the whole AA Suite and Home are absolutely amazing.
I also don't see any serious lyrical change after SFAM. I'd draw the line between Octavarium and Systematic Chaos but that's due to the lyrical themes seriously changing rather than the "quality" itself.
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Dude, if you're under the impression that DT can do no wrong, then this thread just might not be for you.
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Sorry, I forgot that not whining about everything the band has done post-SFAM immediately makes me a blinded fanboy.
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Sorry, I forgot that not whining about everything the band has done post-SFAM immediately makes me a blinded fanboy.
No, but you're actually defending lyrics like TCOT. It's pretty accepted that they're terrible.
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Sorry, I forgot that not whining about everything the band has done post-SFAM immediately makes me a blinded fanboy.
That's not what he said.
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No, but you're actually defending lyrics like TCOT. It's pretty accepted that they're terrible.
I think they're better than some people claim because they work the way the are. I haven't said they're great or something.
Btw, saying that "it's accepted" is the poorest argument possible.
That's not what he said.
It was obviously slightly exaggerated, but any other rational explanation of how do you find out someone thinks "the band can do no wrong" based upon a non-negative opinion on the band's recent work?
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Because you seem to counter any criticism made in this thread. That says something.
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Because you seem to counter any criticism made in this thread. That says something.
Well, in fairness, any suggestions that DT should just keep on with what they're doing in the studio because it's just fine are also being met with resistance.
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Because the entire purpose of this thread is to promote change, or the idea of change. It would make sense that posts saying "they're perfect the way they are, no change at all is good" are met with resistence.
If someone made a thread saying "DT has a great formula that seems to be working" and enough people agreed, then posts promoting change would be met with similar resistence.
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Because the entire purpose of this thread is to promote change, or the idea of change. It would make sense that posts saying "they're perfect the way they are, no change at all is good" are met with resistence.
If someone made a thread saying "DT has a great formula that seems to be working" and enough people agreed, then posts promoting change would be met with similar resistence.
Well, the question was "would you be interested in change?" And then we were asked for our thoughts, so it seems like it would be fine to state the line of thinking that one is satisfied with what they're doing now and don't need to make any changes.
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Yes, stating that opinion is lovely. Saying it whenever someone suggests a different change is a bit much.
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....if for the next Dream Theater album they go a completely opposite direction and do disc like Opeth's Damnation? Having a completely acoustic disc, and if we were lucky, maybe a two disc set, one being "normal" while the other being all acoustics would be pretty sweet.
Opeth are well known for their calm passages though. Dream Theater on the other hand are more well known for being one of the more "metal" of the progressive metal bands...meaning, when you think of Dream Theater, do calm peaceful sections spring to your mind at all? Of course they do exist ("hopelessly drifting..." part in Nightmare to Remember, etc) and they do have several ballads. But still. As much as I love Dream Theater, I just don't think they could effectively pull it off. It's not their style and it's not what they're known for. At any rate, it would probably divide the fanbase.
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I would love to hear an acoustic album but MP will have none of it, he wants to have as much BALLLSSSSS in DT albums as possible.
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Yes, stating that opinion is lovely. Saying it whenever someone suggests a different change is a bit much.
Yeah, I can understand that.
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There is serious criticism in this thread.
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There is serious criticism in this thread.
I wouldn't call it criticism.
That was a joke incase you missed it.
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YES. I'm growing tired of the DT formula. Anything to switch it up would be well-appreciated.
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Wtf?
In The Name of God is IMO the best DT song lyric-wise. Most of his other lyrics don't go far behind. The Dark Eternal Night or The Count can't be compared since they're something entirely different.
You're wrong. ITNOG is mediocre at best. It's just like a kids school report on the subject. As was AROP and any other "I read about this the other day" songs.
I feel that you've definitely hit the nail on the head here, Adami. I'm usually more accepting of Dream Theater's lyrics than a lot of people on these forums, but I agree that songs like A Rite of Passage and The Great Debate (off the top of my head) really give off the summarizing-a-Wikipedia-article kind of vibe.
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100% correct and the reason why someone doesn't need to give the
the lyrics really feel like they're written by someone who knows what he's writing about.
answer any real credibility.
The shame of it all is that if Petrucci really was impassioned about any of these subjects I'm sure it would've shone but it looks like he never really gave more than a first drafts glance before handing it off to LaBrie.
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Because you seem to counter any criticism made in this thread. That says something.
Because 90% of it is ridiculous for me and 10% is ridiculously exaggerated.
100% correct and the reason why someone doesn't need to give the
the lyrics really feel like they're written by someone who knows what he's writing about.
answer any real credibility.
The shame of it all is that if Petrucci really was impassioned about any of these subjects I'm sure it would've shone but it looks like he never really gave more than a first drafts glance before handing it off to LaBrie.
Do I even need to answer this or should I count it as a self-failing response?
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You need to come up with a new schtick.
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I am still gasping for air over the assertion that all of Portnoy's lyrics are at least very good and that the AA ones are "absolutely amazing."
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I'm starting to wonder what most people's benchmark for good lyrics is.
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Same here.
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Because you seem to counter any criticism made in this thread. That says something.
Because 90% of it is ridiculous for me and 10% is ridiculously exaggerated.
100% correct and the reason why someone doesn't need to give the
the lyrics really feel like they're written by someone who knows what he's writing about.
answer any real credibility.
The shame of it all is that if Petrucci really was impassioned about any of these subjects I'm sure it would've shone but it looks like he never really gave more than a first drafts glance before handing it off to LaBrie.
Do I even need to answer this or should I count it as a self-failing response?
Well, since it isn't a self-failing response, you should probably answer it.
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I am still gasping for air over the assertion that all of Portnoy's lyrics are at least very good and that the AA ones are "absolutely amazing."
While it is true that the AA saga doesn't contain his worst lyrics, (We all know what song is meant to get that title) they're no lyrical masterpieces.
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Because you seem to counter any criticism made in this thread. That says something.
Because 90% of it is ridiculous for me and 10% is ridiculously exaggerated.
100% correct and the reason why someone doesn't need to give the
the lyrics really feel like they're written by someone who knows what he's writing about.
answer any real credibility.
The shame of it all is that if Petrucci really was impassioned about any of these subjects I'm sure it would've shone but it looks like he never really gave more than a first drafts glance before handing it off to LaBrie.
Do I even need to answer this or should I count it as a self-failing response?
Well, since it isn't a self-failing response, you should probably answer it.
Looking how detailed and obviously well-thought the lyrics are, they are definitely way more than that. The Great Debate achieves the genius of showing both sides and making it actually objective, which is incredibly rare in case of songs which get into any kind of political or similar topics. A Rite of Passage is so precisely crafted and so detailed that it takes one read of the lyrics to see that someone had definitely read quite a bit about this, which is also true.
I am still gasping for air over the assertion that all of Portnoy's lyrics are at least very good and that the AA ones are "absolutely amazing."
Sorry, forgot that the measure of good taste is considering Surrounded and Under a Glass Moon the best lyrics created in the history of mankind. :biggrin:
In fact, why do I even bother? It's amazing that on what's supposed to be a DT fan board, I'm the only one left defending the band and not whining about every single detail on every album. Always nice not to be disappointed by fellow fans. ;)
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We're not complaining about every single detail. You're just defending every single thing the band does.
Nothing about The Great Debate is really good, it's (as someone said) basically a sum up of a wiki article. Being objective is easy when you're writing a school paper, which is pretty much what he did.
If you listened to Iced Earth, do you find the lyrics to The Glorious Burden to be well written too?
By the way, I am a huge DT fan. I love the band. They're not my favorite anymore, but I still love them. I will buy their new album pretty much no matter what. I listen to 6DOIT (album), ToT, 8vm, Systematic Chaos and BC&SL pretty often. But just because I like them doesn't mean I think they're perfect. I'm (and most other people here are) able to recognize their flaws amidst their strengths.
The same goes for my fav band PoS. I can criticize them when they need to be critcized. Just because I love a band doesn't mean they are perfect.
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::) Which is probably why I've had more complaints about e.g. The Count of Tuscany than anyone else I've seen on DTF. And you're complaining about every single thing the band has done after SFAM. Six Degrees is a fake suite and actually 8 songs with bad flow, The Great Debate sucks and sounds like a school paper, Train of Thought is going fashionable metal, Octavarium is average except for the title track, Systematic Chaos... never mind, hand me the flamethrower, BC&SL has terrible lyrics and nothing new. I could make a full list of "complaints" I've seen but don't want to cause another forum crash so I'll leave it here.
What? Are you even serious?
Only heard of the album, never the album itself. But what I've heard about it makes me think it's the opposite of being objective in any way.
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I never said half of that stuff. I actually love the great debate. I just think the lyrics are mediocre. I didn't even say they were bad. I also never said anything about 6DOIT the song itself, good song, lyrics suit it just fine.
How can I complain about "every single thing" yet still love the albums a great deal?
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Then if everyone loves DT and the albums so much, why do 95% of threads become "bash DT in various levels of diplomacy" threads (such as this one) and any kind of appreciation which is not I&W-related is extremely rare?
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Then if everyone loves DT and the albums so much, why do 95% of threads become "bash DT in various levels of diplomacy" threads (such as this one) and any kind of appreciation which is not I&W-related is extremely rare?
I prefer Awake to I&W myself.
There is lots of praise, but also lots of criticism. The bands direction, at this point, is getting criticism. We as fans have every right to criticise anything we feel is worthy of it.
Go to 5/8, check out their DT threads. Then re-read ours. You'll see ours aren't harsh at all.
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Ok Darkes I can see you're passionate about this so lemme just sit you down and explain it how me and a few other "bashers" are seeing it. Okay? Cool. :)
So Dream Theater is like five chefs working in a 5 star restaurant. Every single one is amazing at what they do and has the ability to produce high quality products. When the restaurant opened back in the late, late 80s they made some filet mignon and veggies that wasn't quite ready but showed great promise. By '92 they honed their skills and produced a meal that finally blew everyone out of the water. Everything was cooked just right and they showed they could put the right amount of their specialty homemade spices in the middle of the meal, which became their signature dish. They even prepared elaborate side dishes to complement these meals which lead to some debate but were overall very thoughtful inclusions.
So as time passed the restaurant grew, mostly by name and kinda by reputation. When the new head chef came in he brought some well needed change to the kitchen and introduced them some exotic recipes and spices. The new chef and these recipes became a hit and instead of experimenting like they did back when they were first trying to find what worked they decided that this would suffice. This worked until the filet mignon started to become bland and to compensate the band decided to unleash their signature spices to make it work.
Soon after, the chefs realized that whenever they were backed into a corner they could just throw the spices on whatever meal they produced and, at worst, it could become passible, even if the meal didn't call for the spices. Even the side dishes, which they prepared with as much care as the main dishes, were coming in frozen and just getting tossed out after being unheated without any thought at all. Soon the original patrons decided they weren't really into to the new bastardizations of the old stuff and that the "new" stuff really wasn't fresh at all. What the five chefs would once produce as a world class filet is now pretty much the quality of a McDonalds hamburger: same ingredients, way less thought put into it.
So that is pretty much why us "bashers" are concerned about Dream Theater. We don't listen to the band to hate them as much as you want to think, we're just disappointed at where they are going and where they have been for the past few years. Stop proclaiming yourself as some kind of savior like the band actually gives a shit if anyone stands up for comments about their recent music.
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I'm hungry.
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I'm hungry.
Dammit, you beat me to it. :lol
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(We'll stop at a McDonalds on the way home)
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Alright! You're the coolest!
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Then if everyone loves DT and the albums so much, why do 95% of threads become "bash DT in various levels of diplomacy" threads (such as this one) and any kind of appreciation which is not I&W-related is extremely rare?
Because if no one here cared about the band, none of the things they complain about would bother them.
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If 95% of threads were DT bashing, then 43 threads on the first page alone would be too.
Just saying. But if you want, I can go to each of those 43 threads and say "myung is asian and has a small penis".
Which clearly isn't true since his penis is often quoted as being the inspiration for the movie anaconda.
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I say when DT shows up at the studio, they find a 4 piece kit, grand piano and a whatever other acoustic odd instruments JR can use, 5-6 differently tuned acoustic guitars, basses and a chapman stick. And DT have to make a record like that, whatever happened to challenges? Since when did being comfortable inside your box equal good and prog?
Dream Crimson? :metal
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Dream Theater is just giving their (majority of) fanbase what they want to hear, and they're pretty good at it.
BC&SL is definately enjoyable, and features all their trademarks represented in some way. Some succesful, others a bit less.
They're on Roadrunner, and MP's into heavy stuff. They're not going to change on the next album I think. If 'Raw Dog' is any indication.. well let's just assume that it isn't. 'Raw Dog' isn't that bad, but it features everything about DT that they've done too much of.
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If 95% of threads were DT bashing, then 43 threads on the first page alone would be too.
Just saying. But if you want, I can go to each of those 43 threads and say "myung is asian and has a small penis".
Which clearly isn't true since his penis is often quoted as being the inspiration for the movie anaconda.
:lol And this round goes to Adami. :clap: