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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: DarkChestOfWonders on April 27, 2009, 06:21:44 PM
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Well...duh. We don't have one.
But now we do.
*appreciates*
:hearts:
Favorite album: Once
Favorite song: That's probably obvious.
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From Samsara's Breakdown Room-
"So I got my first Nightwish album...
Dark Passion Play of course. One of my major complaints about Nightwish was always Tarja from what I had heard of older material, but with Anette at the helm I finally decided to pick this album up. Musically it is a lot like what I remember hearing in the older stuff, which is mostly very good! I really love Anette's vocals. One of my major complaints about the old stuff was how the guy seemed to overuse harsh vocals, and suck at them in the process, but on this record he seems to do a lot more good clean singing. Overall a very strong album and I look forward to the next one.
Favorite Tracks:
The Poet and the Pendulum
Amaranth
The Islander
7 Days to the Wolves"
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I need to sign up for an accunt over there.
Nick, I am shocked that somebody who runs a show called "When Prog and Power Unite" has never owned a Nightwish album. For shame, sir. SHAME! :caffeine:
You picked good songs. I'm a big fan of the Tarja albums, but not so much the last one. I think Anette is a good singer, and I like her back story. But I'm a Tarja fan at heart. Nightwish was just about perfect with her and Marco together in the band.
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I was just never a fan of Tarja's singing, or Marco's vocals half the time. Even tho I generally really enjoyed the music it was a real hard spot for me. Same can be said for stuff like newer Amorphis, when the vocals are right, I eat it right up.
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I saw them live twice in philly and they were both good shows :metal
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I just bought a special edition of Oceanborn with extra songs, and their sigs printed on the CD. Now I own that and Century Child officially. I used to have Once but traded it in.
*Appriciates*
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SLAYING THE DREAMER :metal
Fav album is Century Child, followed by Dark Passion Play. And no, Anette is not bad.
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I love dark passion play, and I just picked up the other two albums but still working on them
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Going to see them on Saturday. Can't wait.
(Like Nick, I was never a big fan of Tarja.... but I LOVE Annete).
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You picked good songs. I'm a big fan of the Tarja albums, but not so much the last one. I think Anette is a good singer, and I like her back story. But I'm a Tarja fan at heart. Nightwish was just about perfect with her and Marco together in the band.
It's so lame that you have a screen name after one of your favorite bands. That's really lame.
I'm ashamed of you.
/sarcastic green
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*appreciates*
Absolutely love this band I'm somewhat of a Nightwish fanboi.
Favourite album... Probably Wishmaster, although Once is also a masterpiece and has my favourite song, Ghost Love Score. Ahh love that song.
Dark Passion Play is great but I think that Tarja's voice was a key ingredient of the huge Nightwish sound and gave it that extra whack, but I still appreciate Anette and think she's come along great, she has certainly improved a hell of a lot on live performances of 'old' songs recently, at least from what I can tell in videos.
I was actually hoping to go see them in Hartwall Arena in September as I missed the March UK gig, but flights to Finland aren't too cheap :sad:
/fanboi off
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Seen them live once (pun not intended :P). My favorite album of theirs is Oceanborn.
*appreciates*
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First of all, love the band (prefer Tarja over Annette). Can't narrow down a favorite.
Second, love your username DarkChest.
Third ... SPELL CHECK, SPELL CHECK, SPELL CHECK, SPELL CHECK, SPELL CHECK, SPELL CHECK
I need to sign up for an accunt over there.
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I need to sign up for an accunt over there.
Nick, I am shocked that somebody who runs a show called "When Prog and Power Unite" has never owned a Nightwish album. For shame, sir. SHAME! :caffeine:
You picked good songs. I'm a big fan of the Tarja albums, but not so much the last one. I think Anette is a good singer, and I like her back story. But I'm a Tarja fan at heart. Nightwish was just about perfect with her and Marco together in the band.
It's not like NIghtwish are prog or something. I agree with Nick completely. Tarja was annoying and boring as hell, for me. Sure, she could sing and all that but her style was so boring and the same it put me off completely. With Annette the vocals are much catchier, dynamic and interesting to listen to. DPP didn't click with me and I can't say I'm a fan of the band all of a sudden, but I definitely look forward to their next album where Annette will have a word in the writing process (something Tarja, as far as we know, never chose to do).
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What sucks most about Anette being in the band is that they will have VERY little focus on older material. I can't imagine a single song from the first two albums being played with, very few from Wishmaster, and just a little more from CC and Once.
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Ghost Love Score is a reeeeally good song.
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What sucks most about Anette being in the band is that they will have VERY little focus on older material. I can't imagine a single song from the first two albums being played with, very few from Wishmaster, and just a little more from CC and Once.
Well they seem to play Sacrament of Wilderness and Sleeping Sun (both 2nd album songs) with Anette.
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I've loved this band since I picked up Oceanborn in 99 I think. Once sealed the deal - that's by far their best album, though I love the first 4-5 songs on Century Child as well. Phenominal band.
Everyone should read Once Upon a Nightwish if you want to know the details between the band/Tarja split. All I have to say is that Marcelo Cabuili is an idiot.
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Yeah he seems to have been the driving force behind the split. I guess Tarja is a bit impressionable.
It's kinda sad to see her now, she's shrunk so much since Nightwish. Theres a vid on youtube with her doing a terrible cover of Smells Like Teen Spirit... she used to be the queen of symphonic metal.
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Well for me it all started back sometime in 1997, one of my (then) online pals was raving to me about this band called Nightwish.
He ended up sending me the CD, I was blown away by the music, but the voice I was not so sure about, as I had never heard anything quite like it.
It was Oceanborn that really sold the band for me, I was in the Navy at the time, away at sea and listend to it 3 or 4 times a day, it got me through some rough times, so this is my Favourite Nightwish release to this day.
Wishmaster I like but is let down by lacking that certain X factor for me. CC is where Tarja's vox changes down a bit and the band added Marco and he certainly brings Nightwish back to life.
Once, is my second fave, pretty close to Oceanborn, almost the perfect album, that band sounding at it's peak, despite all the friction between Tarja/Marcello and the rest of the band.
DPP, I love, it took some getting used to hearing the music of Nightwish with a different singer.
Anette I love on the album, but the couple of times I have seen her live, she struggles sometimes and a couple of the old songs sound plain wrong with her voice.
Tarja, I love her voice, but her album, 'My Winter Storm', is a snooze for me, I still have never heard it all the way through.
I hope the next one is better.
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l like em.
album ranking
century child
wishmaster
once
dark passion play
oceanborn
angels fall first
favorite song
poet and the pendulum
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In the Tarja vs Annette debate, I definitely prefer Annette's voice. Which isn't to say that I dislike Tarja's, I just don't find it entirely suitable for the style. A lot of the old music is still great, Once and CC are really excellent albums and in fairness there are still plenty of songs where Tarja's voice fits fine.
I do love the new album though :tup
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I can’t figure out Nightwish.
Whenever I listen to their music, which is fairly periodic (I own Wishmaster/CC/Oceanborn/Once), I really enjoy it. But as I sit here, I probably couldn’t tell you the names of 5 of their songs, nor could I hum more than a couple riffs or sing more than a couple lyrics.
I don’t know why their music isn’t more memorable to me, especially since I enjoy listening to it.
And since everyone is doing it: I like Tarja’s work in NW very much – aside from some periodic lack of understanding of what she is saying. I’ve only heard clips of DPP, but liked what I heard.
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In the Tarja vs Annette debate, I definitely prefer Annette's voice.
Hey, we agree yet again. It's odd because 2012 is still quite far from now :D I'm afraid that if we keep agreeing so much we could start the apocalypse. :d
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Noooooooooooooo!
:splodegent:
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Last night's show was pretty awesome. Annette's mic wasn't really loud enough and she got kind of drowned out at times, but other than that it was a killer show. I definitely recommend seeing them live.
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Last night's show was pretty awesome. Annette's mic wasn't really loud enough and she got kind of drowned out at times, but other than that it was a killer show. I definitely recommend seeing them live.
Setlist?
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Nightwish is a fantastic band, and I do prefer Annette to Tarja. Why? Because Annette's voice gives Nightwish more of a metal symphonic band appeal opposing to the whole operatic scene Tarja brought into Nightwish. Don't get me wrong, Tarja is fantastic and definitely one of those virtuostic voices that will amaze you, but she fits much more in pure opera surroundingsl.
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Last night's show was pretty awesome. Annette's mic wasn't really loud enough and she got kind of drowned out at times, but other than that it was a killer show. I definitely recommend seeing them live.
Setlist?
No idea. I'm generally terrible with song names, plus I only have like 3 of their albums anyway.
The only songs that I did catch the names of somehow or another are:
7 Days to the Wolves (opener, after some weird Bagpipe guy intro)
The Poet and the Pendulum
Amaranth
The Siren
Wish I Had an Angel (Closer)
Obviously they played a lot more than that, but I have no idea what the names of the songs were.
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One incredible band for sure. They were strong and operatic with Tarja, but I am eagerly awaiting a new album with Annette, because that woman fits them real hard. I'm listening to Dark Passion Play right now and man, such a great album. :tup
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I'm learning to love the old stuff, but the latest is amazing....is there rumors of the next album?
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I want my wife to look like Anette when she gets around her late 30's. She sounds so great and sexy.
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I want Jamesman to look like Anette when he gets around his late 30's.
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I want Jamesman to look like Anette when he gets around his late 30's.
I'm aiming for it, but the leather outfits make it hard to breathe down there.
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I want Jamesman to look like Anette when he gets around his late 30's.
I'm aiming for it, but the leather outfits make it hard to breathe down there.
S'okay, I'd accept velvet, too.
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https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=127.0 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=127.0)
I know it was pretty far back there. I just remember posting in it though.
But yeah
I appreciate Nightwish.
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Wishmaster (album) is awesome. Really. It's better than their greatest hits album.
It's really a great band to listen to.
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i hate them, but i don't judge! ;D
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Been a fan since 2000. Awesome band! I think "Once" is my favorite album by them, with "Wishmaster" and "Dark Passion Play" close behind. I loved Tarja, and preferred her operatic style over the new singer, but Anette is definitely a good fit for the band and I'm looking forward to any new material from this lineup.
P.S. Marco kicks ass as a backup vocalist :metal
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Loved em back in the day. I even liked Dark Passion Play quite a bit.
But after seeing them live twice with Anette, I'm just not impressed anymore. She is horrible live, no energy, can't hit the notes, can't stay in tune, can't add the power, it's just horrible.
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Great band. The first song I saw on the internet with Planet Hell and a song that heavy with a female singer really got me hooked. Actually, thanks for reminding me to go buy a few more of their albums!
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Great band. The first song I saw on the internet with Planet Hell and a song that heavy with a female singer really got me hooked. Actually, thanks for reminding me to go buy a few more of their albums!
It was Planet Hell that did it for me, as well. My friend played it in his car, and I made a very rare exception of it and asked him to play it again. Three more times.
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I have to agree with that, Planet Hell was the first song I heard of them and I think their best one.
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Just saw this: End of an Era Blu-ray (https://www.amazon.com/End-Era-Blu-ray-Nightwish/dp/B00284G2IA/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1245556332&sr=8-5)
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Oceanborn is their best, IMHO.
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One incredible band for sure. They were strong and operatic with Tarja, but I am eagerly awaiting a new album with Annette, because that woman fits them real hard. I'm listening to Dark Passion Play right now and man, such a great album. :tup
:neverusethis:
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I'd like to fit Annette real hard.
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One incredible band for sure. They were strong and operatic with Tarja, but I am eagerly awaiting a new album with Annette, because that woman fits them real hard. I'm listening to Dark Passion Play right now and man, such a great album. :tup
:neverusethis:
Finally, someone did it. :tup
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Listening to Dark Passion Play now after taking a long break from it. The break was needed. I'm still not in love with this album, but after the break, the songs are mostly good. Master, Passion, Greed still makes me laugh. Never has a song that tried so hard to sound angry sounded so silly.
Some friends and I are probably going to jam The Islander at an open mic jam on Labor Day.
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I just listened to Eva. What an incredible song. That singer has some great talent. Loved the guitar solo too.
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especially love their last album...the older stuff I enjoy for the most part
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:zombiepile:
Some Nightwish came up on my iTunes this morning, so I had to bring this thread back from the dead. Two things:
1. They are still awesome. Love them. Listing to End of an Era right now, and there are few live albums out there that are this good.
2. I cannot emphasize enough how much I hate "misheard lyrics" threads/videos in general. I hate them as much as...well, a lot. But this one from Wishmaster never seems to stop cracking me up, and even though I know what the right lyrics are, I forever hear these joke lyrics and see this video in my mind whenever I hear the song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg5_mlQOsUQ
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:rollin:
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I'm learning to love the old stuff, but the latest is amazing....is there rumors of the next album?
2011 :(
Tarja might have one out before the end of the year, though. I think she's recording now.
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I cannot emphasize enough how much I hate "misheard lyrics" threads/videos in general. I hate them as much as...well, a lot. But this one from Wishmaster never seems to stop cracking me up, and even though I know what the right lyrics are, I forever hear these joke lyrics and see this video in my mind whenever I hear the song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg5_mlQOsUQ
The problem with misheard lyric videos is that for every decent one (Pearl Jam's "Yellow Ledbedder") there are a ton of crappy ones that try too hard. While half of them in that video were a stretch, the child farming part was pretty good, and I'm going to hear "Hard porn" everytime now.
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Nightwish have some really cool stuff.
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Tuomas needs to adapt to his changing personality. He's trying too hard to sound miserable, and he's clearly not.
All artists should do what Devin Towsend does, change your music to fit who you are, don't force it.
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Anette is massively underrated, and Dark Passion Play is the best Nightwish album. I personally don't think the fanbase has given the new Nightwish a fair chance.
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That's because the fanbase consists sadly of complete twats. I lost all respect when Annette got booed off stage a year or two ago.
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Anette is massively underrated, and Dark Passion Play is the best Nightwish album. I personally don't think the fanbase has given the new Nightwish a fair chance.
Her singing on DPP was good I thought, though some of the song writing left much to be desired. However, I gave her plenty of chances. I've seen her live twice and watched lots of bootlegs, she is horrible live. Sorry.
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That's because the fanbase consists sadly of complete twats. I lost all respect when Annette got booed off stage a year or two ago.
That's just uncalled for :tdwn
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dark passion play is amazing
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The only song on it I don't love is Meadows of Heaven. If I had my way it would have ended after Seven Days to the Wolves. Whatever though, it doesn't weaken the album enough to matter.
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DPP has its moments, but has never grabbed me and I feel it has several shortcomings. Admittedly, I was really a fan of Tarja and the version of Nightwish that had her in it, and to an extent, that is coloring my perception of DPP a bit. But I am fully aware of that bias, and despite it, I still have a few problems with the album:
1. Anette's singing is okay, but nothing spectacular. Granted, the music was completely written and recorded before she joined the band, so it wasn't written with her voice in mind and wasn't tailored to take advantage of her style and her strengths. It is a lot like WDADU with DT. Listening to that album, many might form a negative impression of Charlie Dominicci as a singer. But the problem is, those songs do nothing to showcase his ability and don't fit his style at all. Hearing his solo work, which is written to his strenghts, you can truly appreciate where he is able to shine. Similar with DPP. I have said it before, and I'll say it again: I'm really looking forward to hearing what they write with her in the band. Given how Tuomas writes, I don't see her taking a major role in the writing. But still, the album will be written with her in mind after Tuomas and the band have had the chance to tour extensively with her and see how her voice works.
2. Tarja's not in the band anymore. Get over it, Tuomas. I don't see the need to write songs about her and/or Marcelo, let alone several songs. The lyrical content really drags the album down in that regard.
3. As Adami pointed out, the album sounds too angsty for where Tuomas and the band are in their lives, so it doesn't come across as genuine and sounds forced at times.
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Have'nt listened to them recently, but their still good
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Regarding new album info:
In the June 2009 edition of the Finnish magazine, Soundi, Holopainen stated he had started work on the new album. In October 2009, rumors about the new album's name were going around with the title Wind Embraced, but Olzon listed the rumours as "not true" and said that the songs for the new album had not yet been completed apart from 3 songs written before May 2009. Tuomas Holopainen said in a recent interview, "[...]I can't reveal to you anymore but there is going to be a big twist so to say, on the next album." In an interview with Troy Donockley, when asked about his involvement in the new album, Donockley stated "Oh yes, I will be playing on the next album and from what Tuomas has told me, it is going to be something extraordinary..."
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On the 1st of February 2010, Anette Olzon stated on her blog that Tuomas has 9 songs ready for the new album. She also stated that Nightwish will be meeting in the summer to make a demo, and fans should not expect anything any earlier than fall of 2011.
On Nightmail in April 2010, Tuomas revealed that he has now finished writing songs for the album.
This is just ridiculous. I never give bands crap for taking their time to work on an album. But they started the album in June 2009, and it's not going to be out until fall of 2011? Really? It takes over two years to record an album? In what universe? Tuomas just said last month that they are done writing, and it's still going to take a year and a half to record? Again, just ridiculous.
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It's not that it takes that long to record, it's that he is taking time off. He wrote the songs at home by himself. He just isn't getting the band back together till next year. He's just living his life.
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Again, I rarely complain about stuff like that, and I understand the need to take time off, but this is still a ridiculous delay. That will make it 4 years between albums. That kind of gap is generally only warranted where you have to find a new keyboard player and then your label screws you over and won't let you record, or your drummer loses an arm in a car accident, or someone in your band has an extended stay in rehab. As far as I know, none of those descriptions fit Nightwish. That's too long a break to keep fans happy if all you're doing is taking time off to "just live your life."
EDIT: And to add to the above rant, Within Temptation's last album came out roughly the same time as Nightwish's. In the interrim, WT has released a live DVD/CD from their tour, a second live DVD from a follow-up accoustic theater tour, Robert and Sharon had a baby, and they lost their drummer. And their album is still due out a year ahead of Nightwish's!!
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Maybe if we're looking he's gonna ask Floor to join nightwish and kick Anette out.
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Again, I rarely complain about stuff like that, and I understand the need to take time off, but this is still a ridiculous delay. That will make it 4 years between albums.
Assuming it comes out on time, that is. Naturally.
Yeah, I more or less agree with you. I'm not that bothered in truth - I'll find other stuff in the interim - but it seems a bit much. The world is waiting.
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Maybe the big twist is they're gonna do an electronica style album like Evanescence's next album. Wouldn't that be fun, kids?! I miss Tarja.
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Maybe the big twist is they're gonna do an electronica style album like Evanescence's next album. Wouldn't that be fun, kids?! I miss Tarja.
The last thing we need is for Nightwish to sound like Evanescence. And I'm glad Tarjas gone. Nightwish's sound was changing too much and she was having a hard time adjusting, her voice just didn't fit anymore. Unfortunatly they found a rock singer who can't do the opera stuff. They needed to find someone who could do both.
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What was wrong with Tarja? I liked where her voice was going and Ghost Love Score proves she still had it. She was a perfectly fine rock singer too.
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Nightwish's sound was changing too much and she was having a hard time adjusting, her voice just didn't fit anymore.
This is legitimately the first time I've ever heard that opinion expressed by anyone. Personally, I love her work on the last two albums they did with her, and would take either one of those albums over all their previous albums combined.
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Again, I rarely complain about stuff like that, and I understand the need to take time off, but this is still a ridiculous delay. That will make it 4 years between albums.
That's becoming more and more common though, you have to admit...just look at Nevermore.
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just look at Nevermore.
I usually try to avoid doing so whenever possible. :biggrin:
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Aww hold on now, Nevermore is amazing. :metal
You don't like them?
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The only thing I've really heard from them is what they had on the Gigantour CD a few years back, and it didn't really do anything for me.
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Well that sucks. You're missing out IMO
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Bosky, ever get around to getting Tarja's solo album?
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Nope. Can't find it at anything less than an outrageous price.
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Ive just finally got into Dark Passion Play after really enjoying Oceanborn through Once (including End of an Era on Blu Ray :metal). I really liked Tarja and didn't really want to hear the new singer, but I was really impressed. SHe is a very different singer, but her voice is so awesome. While DPP isnt as good as Once, Wishmaster, or Century Child, it is still a really awesome album. I really like the softer songs like Eva and The Heart I Once Had. I also downloaded a few bootlegs of Nightwish with Annete and I really like how she sings the old songs especially Ever Dream and The Siren.
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Nope. Can't find it at anything less than an outrageous price.
Aside from some odd pacing it's REALLY good. I think.
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Just saw on Amazon that there is a U.S. release that is $14.95. I wasn't aware of this. I just might have to get it now.
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Just saw on Amazon that there is a U.S. release that is $14.95. I wasn't aware of this. I just might have to get it now.
It's not as epic as DPP, but I'd say it's more cleverly written. Less popish material and less sillyness. Not that I don't like DPP.
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Well, I'm not huge on DPP, so all of your comments make me think I'll like it.
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Ive just finally got into Dark Passion Play after really enjoying Oceanborn through Once (including End of an Era on Blu Ray :metal). I really liked Tarja and didn't really want to hear the new singer, but I was really impressed. SHe is a very different singer, but her voice is so awesome.
I prefer that, really. As well as Tarja's vocals always did suit Nightwish, I think it would be a shame to have auditioned a lot of talented singers and then asked the one who got the job "Right, let's hear you do your best Tarja impression. Constantly."
The most exciting thing about a change of singer is the fact that two singers are incapable of sounding the same. The dawn of a new age and looking forward to hearing a sound which is, at its core, fantastically different. The music stays the same but getting to see a brand new interpretation is really reinvigorating and it gives it a completely different and new dimension, which is fantastic. While DPP wasn't as stellar as Once, I was always glad that they decided to use the opportunity to change things up a bit. Variety is a fantastically exciting thing.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCGQiGEYl4Y
Oh. My. God. :hefdaddy
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Yup. Tarja never had that rock voice, like Annette does. Her voice makes songs like Dark Chest of Wonders, Wish I Had An Angel, and Nemo to name a few that much more metal. While at the same time The Siren and their more operatic songs don't have that power of that singing style
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Yup. Tarja never had that rock voice, like Annette does. Her voice makes songs like Dark Chest of Wonders, Wish I Had An Angel, and Nemo to name a few that much more metal. While at the same time The Siren and their more operatic songs don't have that power of that singing style
In the studio, yea Anette would rock those...well...rock songs. However, live she is just plain lame. I've seen her twice and watched tons of bootlegs. She's usually lacking power, upper range and does this annoying trill thing every few seconds.
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Didn't Tarja start lip syncing quite a bit?
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Didn't Tarja start lip syncing quite a bit?
I think they did 1-2 shows that way, but against the bands wishes. Aside from that, they used a lot of studio backing tracks, but I think she actually sung her lead stuff herself.
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Didn't Tarja start lip syncing quite a bit?
I think they did 1-2 shows that way, but against the bands wishes. Aside from that, they used a lot of studio backing tracks, but I think she actually sung her lead stuff herself.
Ahh ic
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Hey El JoNNo, did you post something? I can't tell....
...boobs.....
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Yeah, with a sig like that no one will ever actually read what you have to say, in any topic.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCGQiGEYl4Y
Oh. My. God. :hefdaddy
:metalol:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCGQiGEYl4Y
Oh. My. God. :hefdaddy
Incidentally, this is what Ned Flanders is doing with himself nowadays.
I need to be crucified or something.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCGQiGEYl4Y
Oh. My. God. :hefdaddy
Incidentally, this is what Ned Flanders is doing with himself nowadays.
I need to be crucified or something.
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Diddly-diddly-diddly-diddly-diddly-diddly-DUN-DUN-DUN!
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Just had to revive this thread to discuss the band's plans for the immediate future which consist of: absolutely nothing. :(
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RESTING ON THEIR LAURELS.
Tbh, I'm not too bothered. I think it's a bit of a shame they're not capitalising on the fact they've got a new singer... if I were them, on the heels of Tarja I'd probably want to release two albums in fairly quick succession to really give Annette a chance to get settled in and really prove her place in the band.
I'm finding this fairly hard to articulate, actually. But, I mean, Tarja was so integral to the band and to what the fans took from Nightwish. If you've got one album out with Annette, then it's the odd one out. By the time you're doing a second album then you're reinforcing the point that this is how the band sounds now. That's the point where she becomes a mainstay, and a crucial pillar of the way the band sounds. She'll have settled in and really defined her place. They should really be sculpting the new sound of Nightwish, and demonstrating how different - or similar - it is to what came before. Losing the chance to say "Look, see, we're still the same band who put out Once!" or "This is what we're about now, we started it on DPP and now it's bigger and better and more powerful than anything you've ever heard before" while it's still an exciting statement.
I dunno. I think it's fairly bad business not to be moving more quickly in what should be a turbulent, stimulating, and possibly career-changing point in the history of Nightwishness. But however slow they are, I'll still come back as soon as they do something interesting again, so you know. Swings and roundabouts.
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Yes, exactly. Swings and roundabouts.
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Are they really going to put four years between albums?
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The last thing we need is for Nightwish to sound like Evanescence. And I'm glad Tarjas gone. Nightwish's sound was changing too much and she was having a hard time adjusting, her voice just didn't fit anymore. Unfortunatly they found a rock singer who can't do the opera stuff. They needed to find someone who could do both.
They need Floor Jansen! :P
Shame they're taking so long to do anything. While the lyrics on DPP were even more iffy than usual, most of the music outright rocked.
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I think the problem with Nightwish is the same with tons of other bands. Tuomas started it as a way to deal with his depression and anger. He's no longer really depressed or really angry, and the music isn't changing with his attitude.
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Hahahaha. I kinda see what you mean. About four of the songs on the last album lyrically amounted to "OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE TARJA." Which means either he was a little low on inspiration, or he was really fucked off about Tarja.
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Hahahaha. I kinda see what you mean. About four of the songs on the last album lyrically amounted to "OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE TARJA." Which means either he was a little low on inspiration, or he was really fucked off about Tarja.
This is why I hate Master Passion Greed.
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Hahahaha. I kinda see what you mean. About four of the songs on the last album lyrically amounted to "OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE TARJA." Which means either he was a little low on inspiration, or he was really fucked off about Tarja.
I can only think of two, but I didn't really read the lyrics too much. They've gone quite downhill once he realized that he's only allowed to write about 1-2 emotions.
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Who cares, the music rocks and I like it. Yes the songs are about Tarja, yet they could be about anyone. The only song I don't like is For The Heart I Once Had. But the ending of Meadows of Heaven is epic like hell.
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I was blessed today because I realized that I somehow only had half of DPP...so now it is as if I got half an album of new music :biggrin:
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Who cares, the music rocks and I like it. Yes the songs are about Tarja, yet they could be about anyone. The only song I don't like is For The Heart I Once Had. But the ending of Meadows of Heaven is epic like hell.
Thats a shame, I love For the Hearth I Once Had, I really like Annettes singing on that one, but I do agree about the ending of Meadoes of Heaven, pure epicness.
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Hahahaha. I kinda see what you mean. About four of the songs on the last album lyrically amounted to "OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE TARJA." Which means either he was a little low on inspiration, or he was really fucked off about Tarja.
I can only think of two, but I didn't really read the lyrics too much. They've gone quite downhill once he realized that he's only allowed to write about 1-2 emotions.
Well, there's obviously Bye Bye Beautiful and Master Passion Greed... I always got the impression that The Poet and the Pendulum was at least inspired by it, too. He specifies "the year of our lord 2005," and feeling abused - I think it's more broadly autographical, but I felt that there was at least a passage talking about Tarja, if not the entire thing.
I don't mind it as a subject. It's a legitimate rage. I think it overshadows Annette a bit, though. You hire a new singer and then spend her debut album going on about how sad you are that the last singer left.
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Yea, that struck me as a bit odd too.
"Welcome to the band, we're gonna start working with the song Bye Bye Beautiful"
"Awesome, hey what's this song about?"
"It's about how pissed I am that our s..........I mean ummm, girlfriend or something left"
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What they really need is to fill the next album with songs about how great Annette is. "You read what I wrote you. You listened to everything I said. Even though I was kinda grumpy. HEY THERE DARLIN'. HEY THERE DAR-LIIIIIIN'."
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:lol
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All jokes aside, Nightwish was at their best when Tuomas wrote genuine lyrics about feeling small and out of place and wanting to escape to be one with nature. Problem is he no longer feels that way, but keeps writing about it.
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I'm just glad the Tarja love is dying down, and people are accepting the new.
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I'm just glad the Tarja love is dying down, and people are accepting the new.
I was under the impression not much had changed in that respect...
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I'm just glad the Tarja love is dying down, and people are accepting the new.
Nightwish is one of my favorites, but I'm mixed about the singers. On one hand I like Annette, but I wish she had more range. :-\
But Dark Passion Play = :hefdaddy
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I'm just glad the Tarja love is dying down, and people are accepting the new.
I was under the impression not much had changed in that respect...
Tarja never really sat super well with me, and once Annette came on board I was totally cool with it. Until I heard the live album with Annette and saw some videos of her live. She really not only trashes the Tarja stuff, but her own stuff on DPP. She is not a good singer for Nightwish's genre of music by any stretch of the imagination.
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Yes, exactly. Swings and roundabouts.
I've only just now noticed that "Swings and roundabouts" is now your user title thingy.
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https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=143094
So I guess you can expect an album out in the spring-mid/late 2011. From the article, I don't think much has changed in the writing process which is weird to me.
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Is it odd that he compared his music to visual people? I mean, why compare it to Tim Burton when you can compare it to Danny Elfman?
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No kidding, I have no inkling of what the music is like based on that comment. Maybe I should go out on a limb and assume it's similar to past Nightwish.
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Considering the visual style of both Burton and Gail have similar musical counterparts that sound like Elfman, I can assume the music is pop gothy. Which is.......shocking.
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Yay. Can't wait to hear it.
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https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=143094
So I guess you can expect an album out in the spring-mid/late 2011. From the article, I don't think much has changed in the writing process which is weird to me.
hmmm Tuomas so sexay :heart
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So I was thinking, maybe Tuomas fired Tarja because he was jealous of her time spent as a federation captian in the delta quadrant?
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Huh?
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Huh?
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No one gets it?
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Is Toumas Jack Sparrow or Davey Jones?
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No one gets it?
Trust me, I'm trying really hard to.
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No one gets it?
Trust me, I'm trying really hard to.
Google Captian Janeway.
I hope I'm not the only one who sees it.
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I'm even more confused than I was prior. :lol
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Me too, I knew the reference so your hint didn't help at all.
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Yes, exactly. Swings and roundabouts.
I've only just now noticed that "Swings and roundabouts" is now your user title thingy.
I've by now comletely forgotten what it means or what the context of it even was. :lol
As far as Anette vs. Tarja, I guess it is inevitable that this debate will continue every time the band is brought up, but I'm still exactly where I was when I first heard her, which I can sum up in a few sentences: I loved Tarja's voice and feel she was an integral part of the band's signature sound and what made them unique. Now that she is gone, Nightwish don't really stand out from the pack of other symphonic metal bands with female vocalists. I think Anette is okay, but nothing about her voice stands out for me, and while I respect her ability to step in and entusiastically do an adequate job as the band's singer and front person, I feel she was a definite step down. That being said, the band now goes into the writing process knowing she is in the band and having experience hearing her sing a pretty wide array of material, so I am optimistic about what an album could sound like that is actually written with her voice in mind.
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OK, Adami, are you going to explain this to us? You think Tarja looks like Kate Mulgrew?
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OK, Adami, are you going to explain this to us? You think Tarja looks like Kate Mulgrew?
........I guess I'm the only one who sees a resembalence.
Anywho, I just saw a performance online of Wish I had An Angel with Anette.
Sure...she's mostly on key, but holy crap. Her voice just doesn't fit that style at all. And Bosk, you're right. I was listening to it and thought to myself, if this was the first time I'd heard Nightwish, I'd ignore them thinking they sounded like every other finnish/swedish pop female fronted metal group.
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Adami, have you watched End of an Era? One thing I noticed about that video that is a bit unique is that there seem to be a lot more crowd shots than most other videos (and by crowd shots, I don't just mean shots where the main camera pans way back and you can see the stage and the crowd, but more closeup shots of people from the front or side). Most of them are young girls, but then there's this shot at the end after the band leaves that always cracks me up where there is this older guy with a beard who has this look on his face like, "I am just completely mindblown and speechless after what I just witnessed." :lol
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Adami, have you watched End of an Era? One thing I noticed about that video that is a bit unique is that there seem to be a lot more crowd shots than most other videos (and by crowd shots, I don't just mean shots where the main camera pans way back and you can see the stage and the crowd, but more closeup shots of people from the front or side). Most of them are young girls, but then there's this shot at the end after the band leaves that always cracks me up where there is this older guy with a beard who has this look on his face like, "I am just completely mindblown and speechless after what I just witnessed." :lol
Ive noticed this and its pretty funny. Whats also funny are the young girls who look like they are whiping tears during the intro to Phantom of the Opera.
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Yea, finnish teen girls are pretty funny.....and cute.
Last time I saw Nightwish, I wanted to leave early. It was the most boring and lifeless performance I have ever seen, and Anette was so terrible....just...awful.
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Whats also funny are the young girls who look like they are whiping tears during the intro to Phantom of the Opera.
:lol Yeah, they show that same group of girls quite a few times during the show. But as far as them crying at the beginning of the song...well, I mean, it is that good, so...
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I've seen Nightwish with Tarja twice, and didn't cry. However, if I see them again with Anette and they decide to play Phantom of the Opera, I may start.
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Because it would be so good, right? :neverusethis:
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I was actually surprised with Annette on songs from Tarja's era, they sounded much better than I expected. What was so bad about her performance when you saw them? Maybe I just had too low of expectations.
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I was actually surprised with Annette on songs from Tarja's era, they sounded much better than I expected. What was so bad about her performance when you saw them? Maybe I just had too low of expectations.
She does this thing.......like a trill kinda? Where the last note of every line she moves around it for a while. She does it like every god damn line, it just gets sooooo annoying. And she misses a huge number of notes. Plus the whole band was terrible when I saw them last, not just her. It seriously seemed like they just woke up, went on stage and played hoping to get off stage as soon as possible.
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By the way people, I'm running a Nightwish survivor currently. We're doing Angels Fall First at the moment, I urge you all to participate by voting for whatever song I vote for and not songs I want to stay.
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Yorost, that's how i feel people should enjoy concerts. Annette sounds great on Wish I Had An Angel, Nemo, and Dead to The World.
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Whats also funny are the young girls who look like they are whiping tears during the intro to Phantom of the Opera.
:lol Yeah, they show that same group of girls quite a few times during the show. But as far as them crying at the beginning of the song...well, I mean, it is that good, so...
Well yea, it IS that good, and it was the last time they would ever play it with Tarja so I understand the emotion.. its just still kind of funny to see. I guess I am just not used to watcing concert DVDs with teenage girls crying in the crowd.
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No one in the audience had any idea it would be the last time they played anything with Tarja.
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No one in the audience had any idea it would be the last time they played anything with Tarja.
Really? I thought it was known that it was the end. The enitre band seemed really emotional that night too.
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No one in the audience had any idea it would be the last time they played anything with Tarja.
Really? I thought it was known that it was the end. The enitre band seemed really emotional that night too.
The band (well minus 1 member) knew what it was. After the show they gave tarja a letter and told her to read it at home. They then posted the letter online. The letter was to fire her. She had no idea during the show, and neither did the audience.
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No one in the audience had any idea it would be the last time they played anything with Tarja.
Really? I thought it was known that it was the end. The enitre band seemed really emotional that night too.
The band (well minus 1 member) knew what it was. After the show they gave tarja a letter and told her to read it at home. They then posted the letter online. The letter was to fire her. She had no idea during the show, and neither did the audience.
Wow, that is really crazy. I cant believe Tarja didn't know. I kind of feel bad for that, but I don't really know the circumstances for which they asked her to leave.
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https://www.nightwish.com/en/article/6
IMHO, a complete dick move on Nightwishs part to make it public.
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I disagree. I think the fanbase deserved to know.
But could they have done it with a little bit more class? Sure.
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I disagree. I think the fanbase deserved to know.
But could they have done it with a little bit more class? Sure.
"Things weren't working out"
Seriously, that's all the fans NEEDED to know. We didn't need several pages of bashing her husband. That's their business. If she wished to make it public as well, fine, but doing it all behind her back was a dick move.
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well, it's better than having a ton of rumors spread throughout Europe, and eventually making the truth incoherent compared to the bullshit. To this day, I am a die hard Tarja fan, despite her prima donna ways, and IMHO I would like to see Anette leave after the next album. She's run her course, and it's time to go back to the operatic ways of old.
Favorite albums in order best --> worst:
Century Child
Oceanborn
Dark Passion Play (Instrumental version)
Once
Wishmaster
Angels Fall First
Dark Passion Play (with Anette)
Favorite song: Beauty OF the beast
*appreciate*
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"Tarja, we fired you because we think you have a horrible attitude, your husband is a douche bag and you don't care about the fans"
Really? We needed to hear that? Especially when it's so one sided? Bands should respect each others privacy, I doubt Tarja wanted them telling the world how much of a cock knocker her husband is.
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I doubt Tarja wanted them telling the world how much of a cock knocker her husband is.
I doubt there was someone out there that did not know that, he's been a douche forever.
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I doubt Tarja wanted them telling the world how much of a cock knocker her husband is.
I doubt there was someone out there that did not know that, he's been a douche forever.
It doesn't matter dude. If you got fired from a company, would you want the boss giving everyone else a memo about how much of a cock you are? It's just rude.
Not saying you're a cock by the way.
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Did they really call the guy a cock in the letter or is that everyone's insult of the thread?
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Did they really call the guy a cock in the letter or is that everyone's insult of the thread?
Finnish people don't call people cocks, I do.
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It's good they posted the letter instead of basically saying what was already written.
Tarja fans are one of the reasons fans make me mad. but she apparently was a Bitch to The others and the main songwriter, so the truth is the truth, all you can do is live with it
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I still think it's their business and it was rude of them to put it out in the open. People deserve some level of privacy, just because we want to know every detail doesn't mean they can have it explained without their consent.
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I doubt Tarja wanted them telling the world how much of a cock knocker her husband is.
I doubt there was someone out there that did not know that, he's been a douche forever.
It doesn't matter dude. If you got fired from a company, would you want the boss giving everyone else a memo about how much of a cock you are? It's just rude.
Not saying you're a cock by the way.
It's ok, I know I'm a cock :loser:
I agree that you shouldn't post a pubic memo all over the business email when someone gets shitcanned, but it's still a sticky subject.
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People leave bands all the time. Usually we get very little explanation, and it's fine. All this did was piss people off and make everyone debate each other.
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I dunno. Thing is, she didn't ask them to publicise it, but they didn't ask her to take the band for granted and the fans for granted and blow them off to go to the cinema. If you're going to be a bit of a bitch, I don't think you're in any position to complain when your friends say "Oh, her. She's kind of a bitch."
Besides which, with the amount of loyalty the fans had to Tarja I kinda think they needed to go "look. this is why we're doing it" or else all hell would've broken loose. Moreso. I'd say what Nightwish did was fair and rational.
Although I fucking loved that they just stuck it on the end. "P.S. This is an open letter." Crowning moment of badassery, right there.
But yeah. I don't think there's anything unfair about it - she got her comeuppance, really. If you go around shafting people it's inevitable that you will get shafted back, and after the amount of dicking she reportedly did ("I know we've had this gig in the pipeline and it is SOLD OUT but i'd like to do a bit of rehearsing and then maybe go to the cinema?) she'd kind of earnt it. I think it'd've been a miscarriage of justice if they went around going "oh she's lovely." Or even "oh we're indifferent to her." Fair's fair.
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Well I guess I'm alone in my thought that celebs should have privacy, despite how much of a "diva" they are.
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I don't disagree that they should have privacy. But I don't think that's an all-access pass to do whatever you like without anyone judging you. Nor do I think anyone's obliged not to mention it, and I kind of think if you wind up your band members up to the degree that they go blabbing about it then it's your own stupid fault for being a bit of a nob.
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Is the production on the song "Over the Hills and Far Away" really this atrocious or does the Youtube video I'm watching just have atrocious sound quality?
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The youtube video butchers it beyond recognition.
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That's a relief. I could barely believe what I was hearing.
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Bye Bye Beautiful's lyrics are horribly childish.
And in relation to the Tarja incident - I find it odd that they would do such a thing, after Tarja kept the band together in earlier days when Tuomas was doing an idiot and nearly split the band...
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Bye Bye Beautiful's lyrics are horribly childish.
And in relation to the Tarja incident - I find it odd that they would do such a thing, after Tarja kept the band together in earlier days when Tuomas was doing an idiot and nearly split the band...
So is Master Passion Greed, but I think that one is more about Tarja's boyfriend and douchelord
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Husband. And yes it is.
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Husband. And yes it is.
Sorry..."douchelord of a husband" doesn't amke me feel any better though. If it were boyfriend, there might be a chance she can get her act together, so I'll just live in ignorance.