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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: SoundscapeMN on May 22, 2009, 08:36:37 AM
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Just saw this over on mp.com and now looking
https://www.muse.mu/
https://twitter.com/musewire
Drum roll please... The new Muse album title is... The Resistance.
a bunch of photos there.
Supposed to be released in September. One of the new songs is to be called "The United States of Eurasia" i guess.
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Awesome! I heard there was supposed to be some kind of symphony track or something in some article, can anyone confirm this?
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WIN
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Please be better than Black Holes and Revelations
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Please be better than Black Holes and Revelations
GTFO
Black Holes and Revelations was incredible.
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GTFO
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Can we please stop with the god awful memes?
I like Muse, but I think Black Holes & Revelations is their worst.
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WIN
this
GTFO
Black Holes and Revelations was incredible.
and that
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Nice. Looking forward to it.
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Can't wait. All of Muse's albums thus far have been incredible.
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...And 2009 just got a teensy bit more incredible.
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Please be better than Black Holes and Revelations
If it is, it will be a 5-star record.
To me, Muse has arguably gotten better and better with every subsequent record (although there are certainly days where I prefer Origin of Symmetry to Absolution).
Suffice it to say, I am really looking forward to this. :)
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I also hope it's better than BH&R, that album is like 3/4 filler.
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Black Holes is my favorite Muse album, so I'm hoping for something as good or better, this should be awesome. :D
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Hooray!
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Oooh, very nice. Origin of Symmetry is one of my favorite albums of all time.
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Awesome! I heard there was supposed to be some kind of symphony track or something in some article, can anyone confirm this?
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/muse_aim_to_include_hardest_song_ever_on_new_album.html
Answering questions from fans on the Muse forum, bassist Chris Wolstenholme confirmed that work had started on the follow-up to their 2006 album "Black Holes And Revelations".
Wolstenholme wrote: "It would be nice to have the album out in the second half of next year [2009] but we have not set ourselves any targets. It is more important for us to make the best album we have made to date, and if that means it comes out in 2010 then we don't mind."
The star did add that he and the rest of the band were hoping to make the earlier release date.
The trio also revealed that the album could feature the "hardest song" frontman Matt Bellamy has ever written.
"There is a new song in three parts, more of a symphony than a song, which I have been working on sporadically for many years," said the singer, answering another question. "As a large percentage of the composition is orchestral, I have never wanted to collaborate with a string arranger as they may make it 'theirs'. So I have been arranging the orchestral elements myself, which is taking a long time. It should hopefully make the next album as the final three tracks."
Meanwhile the band also joked that having recently been given honorary doctorates they have been enjoying using their new titles.
One fan asked whether they had used the phrase "Trust me, I'm a doctor", to which drummer Dominic Howard joked: "I use that line every day... I just hope I'm not in the situation where someone takes me seriously and asks me to do something. At that point I will just have to offer a healing drumbeat."
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Awesome!!
I am very excited about this one, so many new albums coming out this year that i'm excited about.
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Please be better than Black Holes and Revelations
Black Holes and Revelations was incredible.
Both of these. :laugh:
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Wow. I thought Black Holes and Revelations was generally considered to be a pretty sucky album. Personally, I can only stomach a handful of the songs on it.
But, hey, at least we all agree that it would be fantastic if the next album were better than BC&R. ;)
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OMG yes! Very exciting news, wasn't sure if we'd be getting the new album this year :D
GTFO
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Can we please stop with the god awful memes?
Um, "GTFO" is an abbreviation that has been around for years.
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Um, "GTFO" is an abbreviation that has been around for years.
Actually, thanks to the recent Change of Seasons thread, GTFO is very much a meme that people will probably continue to use when they disagree with something.
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Um, "GTFO" is an abbreviation that has been around for years.
Actually, thanks to the recent Change of Seasons thread, GTFO is very much a meme that people will probably continue to use when they disagree with something.
So just because people use "lol" a lot and its showed up in funny pics on the internet like GTFO has, its considered a meme too? Nope!
Back on topic! I am excited for the new album, which means I need to finally get around to buying Origins of Symmetry. BH&SR was awesome, I just hope that Resistance is better.
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Please be better than Black Holes and Revelations
GTFO
Black Holes and Revelations was incredible.
So? I still wish DT releases an album that's better than Images & Words or Scenes From a Memory.
If Muse can make a better album each time, I'm all for it!
I compare Muse with Pink Floyd, and I'm still waiting for Muse to release their Dark Side of the Moon!
*Activates flame war shield!*
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Muse's first 4 albums > Pink Floyd's first 4 albums.
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The Piper at the Gates of Dawn is better then anything Muse has done.
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How the fuck are Muse and Pink Floyd comparable?
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How the fuck are Muse and Pink Floyd comparable?
this.
Muse's first 4 albums > Pink Floyd's first 4 albums.
this as well.
The Piper at the Gates of Dawn is better then anything Muse has done.
wat
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So just because people use "lol" a lot and its showed up in funny pics on the internet like GTFO has, its considered a meme too? Nope!
Actually, yes. I'm not talking about the level of creativity involved, just the "everyone's doing it and thinks its funny so I will to" mentality. When you replace what would have possibly been an intelligent responsive with a cutesy phrase that was kinda funny from an earlier thread, you have meme.
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I compare Muse with Pink Floyd, and I'm still waiting for Muse to release their Dark Side of the Moon!
Very few bands have a Dark Side of the Moon in their arsenal, and as much as I like Muse, I have serious doubts as to whether they are one of 'em.
Muse's first 4 albums > Pink Floyd's first 4 albums.
Agreed. Floyd didn't start to hit their stride until their 5th album in 1970.
The Piper at the Gates of Dawn is better then anything Muse has done.
I love Floyd, possibly as much as anyone else here, but Piper... is one of the most overrated rock records ever.
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Muse's first 4 albums > Pink Floyd's first 4 albums.
Agreed. Floyd didn't start to hit their stride until their 5th album in 1970.
Do you include the soundtrack to More in that? I.e. do you consider the 5th album to be Atom Heart Mother or Meddle?
I love both albums so I don't really mind either way, but while I know AHM gets slated a lot, I like most of the songs a lot, and the title track, while undoubtedly self-indulgent, still has wonderful moments. And the album in general was, in my opinion, a massive step in the right direction that ultimately resulted in their masterpieces. :)
Wait, this thread is about Muse :facepalm:
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Please be better than Black Holes and Revelations
GTFO
Black Holes and Revelations was incredible.
So? I still wish DT releases an album that's better than Images & Words or Scenes From a Memory.
If Muse can make a better album each time, I'm all for it!
I compare Muse with Pink Floyd, and I'm still waiting for Muse to release their Dark Side of the Moon!
*Activates flame war shield!*
Actually this is a good point.
Im all for a album thats better than the last.
But, BHaR was so amazing, that it will be hard for Muse to keep outdoing themselves.
They may become a victim of their own success.
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The Piper at the Gates of Dawn is better then anything Muse has done.
Well, Piper is probably my favourite Floyd album, nor am I a huge Muse fan.
And even I can't quite agree with this.
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The Piper at the Gates of Dawn is better then anything Muse has done.
I love Floyd, possibly as much as anyone else here, but Piper... is one of the most overrated rock records ever.
*high fives*
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I am really excited for the new muse album...they are fast becoming my favorite band..if only i could see them live with out having to watch bono afterwords
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YES!! YES!!
2009 is so far is one hell of a musical year. That United States of Eurasia title is awesome :metal :metal
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I liked Absolution and I recently BH&R so i still have to listen to it. Im looking forward to this release and it is something Im gonna add on "albums to get" list.
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You should definitely check out Origins of Symmetry. That's one hell of an album as well.
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Muse is a band that doesn't disappoint. I have really high expectations for this album.
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Bump for Nihil
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After the fail that was BC&R (nearly wrote BC&SL there), it better be good.
Seriously, how can you possibly rank BC&R against OoS and Absolution? :huh:
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GTFO BC&R is fantastic.
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Bump for Nihil
Thanks. I thought I searched, but I guess I didn't.
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GTFO BC&R is fantastic.
isnt BH&R? and yes its great album
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After the fail that was BC&R (nearly wrote BC&SL there), it better be good.
Seriously, how can you possibly rank BC&R against OoS and Absolution? :huh:
Agreed. I don't understand all the love for BH&R. The album starts off great, but as soon as it hits the failure that is Supermassive Blackhole I'm forced to skip all the way to KoC.
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I freaking love that song! It's got an awesome riff and a Rolling Stones/Prince vibe in the vocals. What's wrong with it?
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Supermassive is one of the better songs on the album, I'd say.
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I think BH&R is the best Muse album (though I haven't heard Showbiz). Starlight, Supermassive Black Hole, Map of the Problematique, Invincible, Exo-Politics, KoC, all gems. The rest of the songs on the album are awesome too.
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After the fail that was BC&R (nearly wrote BC&SL there), it better be good.
Seriously, how can you possibly rank BC&R against OoS and Absolution? :huh:
Agreed. I don't understand all the love for BH&R. The album starts off great, but as soon as it hits the failure that is Supermassive Blackhole I'm forced to skip all the way to KoC.
I think this is unfair. You're skipping many clear gems of the album. Map Of The Problematique, Hoodoo and The Count of Tuscany all present themselves straight away. This being said my favorite album is still Origin Of Symmetry. Nothing can beat the genius that is Citizen Erased.
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I think this is unfair. You're skipping many clear gems of the album. Map Of The Problematique, Hoodoo and The Count of Tuscany all present themselves straight away. This being said my favorite album is still Origin Of Symmetry. Nothing can beat the genius that is Citizen Erased.
:eek :lol
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After the fail that was BC&R (nearly wrote BC&SL there), it better be good.
Seriously, how can you possibly rank BC&R against OoS and Absolution? :huh:
Easily. It is a damn good record, and one where every single song is at least really good. It's really not that hard to follow, if you think about it. :biggrin:
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KevShmev speaks the truth.
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After the fail that was BC&R (nearly wrote BC&SL there), it better be good.
Seriously, how can you possibly rank BC&R against OoS and Absolution? :huh:
Easily. It is a damn good record, and one where every single song is at least really good. It's really not that hard to follow, if you think about it. :biggrin:
Nah. Soldier's Poem, Invincible, Hoodoo, City of Delusion, and Assassin are not "really good" but more along the lines of "sorta average".
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City of Delusion!? That might be my favorite song off of BH&R? What makes it "sorta average"? :sadpanda:
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They are coming to Spain, in November I think. They need something more if they want their music become interesting.
I'm not going to the concert, I probably will be doing footing that day, cause all the country is gonna be there.
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*shrug*
It's never stood out to me.
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After the fail that was BC&R (nearly wrote BC&SL there), it better be good.
Seriously, how can you possibly rank BC&R against OoS and Absolution? :huh:
Easily. It is a damn good record, and one where every single song is at least really good. It's really not that hard to follow, if you think about it. :biggrin:
Nah. Soldier's Poem, Invincible, Hoodoo, City of Delusion, and Assassin are not "really good" but more along the lines of "sorta average".
Invincible and Assassin aren't all that exciting, but the rest of those are amazing. Hoodoo is incredible live!
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After the fail that was BC&R (nearly wrote BC&SL there), it better be good.
Seriously, how can you possibly rank BC&R against OoS and Absolution? :huh:
Agreed. I don't understand all the love for BH&R. The album starts off great, but as soon as it hits the failure that is Supermassive Blackhole I'm forced to skip all the way to KoC.
I think this is unfair. You're skipping many clear gems of the album. Map Of The Problematique, Hoodoo and The Count of Tuscany all present themselves straight away. This being said my favorite album is still Origin Of Symmetry. Nothing can beat the genius that is Citizen Erased.
:slowclap:
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After the fail that was BC&R (nearly wrote BC&SL there), it better be good.
Seriously, how can you possibly rank BC&R against OoS and Absolution? :huh:
Easily. It is a damn good record, and one where every single song is at least really good. It's really not that hard to follow, if you think about it. :biggrin:
Nah. Soldier's Poem, Invincible, Hoodoo, City of Delusion, and Assassin are not "really good" but more along the lines of "sorta average".
Agreed. I've gone back and listened to those songs since my last post, and I'll agree that they're at least O.K. if not "good." But they're nothing that can make enduring through Supermassive Blackhole worthwhile. I still remember the feeling I had when I bought BH&R, got through the first couple songs, and was liking it- until that horrible nausea inducing one came on and totally broke my spirits in half. The next couple after were O.K., but nothing that remove the taste of Supermassive Blackhole from my mouth.
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After the fail that was BC&R (nearly wrote BC&SL there), it better be good.
Seriously, how can you possibly rank BC&R against OoS and Absolution? :huh:
Easily. It is a damn good record, and one where every single song is at least really good. It's really not that hard to follow, if you think about it. :biggrin:
Nah. Soldier's Poem, Invincible, Hoodoo, City of Delusion, and Assassin are not "really good" but more along the lines of "sorta average".
Agreed. I've gone back and listened to those songs since my last post, and I'll agree that they're at least O.K. if not "good." But they're nothing that can make enduring through Supermassive Blackhole worthwhile. I still remember the feeling I had when I bought BH&R, got through the first couple songs, and was liking it- until that horrible nausea inducing one came on and totally broke my spirits in half. The next couple after were O.K., but nothing that remove the taste of Supermassive Blackhole from my mouth.
*shrug* I like Supermassive Black Hole.
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*shrug* I like Supermassive Black Hole.
So does thie girl I know: she knows nothing about Muse, but was quick to point out to me that a song by Muse was on the Twilight soundtrack before getting me to agree to let her listen to it in the car (she doesn't really know the names of any songs, btw). I did, so she popped the CD, and guess what song it was?
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*shrug* I like Supermassive Black Hole.
So does thie girl I know: she knows nothing about Muse, but was quick to point out to me that a song by Muse was on the Twilight soundtrack before getting me to agree to let her listen to it in the car (she doesn't really know the names of any songs, btw). I did, so she popped the CD, and guess what song it was?
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So it's a bad song because it's on a particular film soundtrack? It's not a rock song and it's not a typical Muse song, but neither of those facts automatically make it bad at all. I love it, and think it's really good fun. Way better than Starlight.
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Supermassive was the first Muse song I heard, and it really turned me off to them. Once I did get into them though, I went back to it, and its actually a great song. Just different.
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So it's a bad song because it's on a particular film soundtrack? It's not a rock song and it's not a typical Muse song, but neither of those facts automatically make it bad at all. I love it, and think it's really good fun. Way better than Starlight.
Of course not. Did you read my post before that one?
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So it's a bad song because it's on a particular film soundtrack? It's not a rock song and it's not a typical Muse song, but neither of those facts automatically make it bad at all. I love it, and think it's really good fun. Way better than Starlight.
Of course not. Did you read my post before that one?
Yes but you didn't give any reason for disliking the song.
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So it's a bad song because it's on a particular film soundtrack? It's not a rock song and it's not a typical Muse song, but neither of those facts automatically make it bad at all. I love it, and think it's really good fun. Way better than Starlight.
Of course not. Did you read my post before that one?
Yes but you didn't give any reason for disliking the song.
I guess "nausea-inducing" wasn't good enough.
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Fine: I'll listen to the song now. Here's a realtime play-by-play.
The song's just started. The riff is interesting, kinda different.
Vocals come in. Too flamboyant for my tastes. Sounds like something that belongs... nevermind. I like my music to have at least a little spine, which this sofar is lacking.
Chorus time- the chorus is admittedly decent, but I'm still not really hooked.
Second verse. That interesting riff that's become kind of annoying by this point stops momentarily, which is cool. But it only highlights the lyrics, which I really dislike. I'm not really into songs with lyrics like "Oh baby I was a fool for you."
Chorus comes back in- same thing as last time over again over the same beat.
Post-chorus. Same riff that's been repeated over the same beat that been repeated over and over again since the beginning.
Solo time. Sounds interesting, but there's nothing really going on their aside from, well, interesting sounds. I don't expect solos from Muse, though, so this is forgivable.
Chorus again. Benefits from the lack of flamboyant vocals present in the first too.
Outro with same riff and beat that's been repeated since the beginning and a distorted voice in the back. Not really impressed with this song. It was boring, repetitive, and frankly it couldn't have ended soon enough.
Ultimately, this song has nothing of the coolness I'd expect from Muse or any song entitled Supermassive Blackhole. Unless the Supermassive Blackhole is an anthem for the female anatomy (or male, even, now that I think about it), which the singer sounds like he's all too desperate for. Really, not my thing. I feel that it's repetitive and neither the lyrical nor musical content do much for me.
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See, now how hard was that? :D
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I just freaking love that song. It's so much fun to listen to.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH6y7LD2GG0
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That's actually not a bad cover.
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That's actually not a bad cover.
It's not bad, and it suits Threshold's style surprisingly well.
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That's actually not a bad cover.
It's not bad, and it suits Threshold's style surprisingly well.
I actually like this way better than Muse's version.
Good stuff!
:tup
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After the fail that was BC&R (nearly wrote BC&SL there), it better be good.
Seriously, how can you possibly rank BC&R against OoS and Absolution? :huh:
Easily. It is a damn good record, and one where every single song is at least really good. It's really not that hard to follow, if you think about it. :biggrin:
Well each to his own I guess, I find half the tracks throw-away compared to OoS and Absolution :P
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I don't have the bonus track on my version of Dead Reckoning, so it's really cool hearing this for the first time.
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That was really cool! What kind of band is Threshold I wonder...*goes to check out*
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That's actually a fucking great cover, blew me away. Vocal harmonies ftw.
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funny how Threshold get more attention here than when there was a thread for them ;)
But they rock, just get their latest album - it's instantly awesome.
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funny how Threshold get more attention here than when there was a thread for them ;)
But they rock, just get their latest album - it's instantly awesome.
I tried Critical Mass and hated it.
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Hearing this cover makes me realise all the more why I can't get into Threshold. They sound like a General Midi track backing up the singer who's constantly trying to sound as 'cool' as possible. Not my cup of tea.
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Yeah that has always been my issue with Threshold (well, since Hypothetical anyway) - they sound so polished and almost robotic at times.
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September 14th
https://www.muselive.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=38495
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Awesome, just one week before the PT album! :D
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Great fucking band...I agree The last album rules.
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I'm excited! Muse has been one of the more reliable bands for me. Although their last CD was a little poppy, it totally rocked like Muse has been known for. Can't wait to see what they do next!
-Mackwo
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(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_luLpzL40VkU/ShRQagZ4yjI/AAAAAAAADHM/oOnwU6UEIl4/s400/0prog_cr2.jpg)
https://erato1.wordpress.com/2009/06/20/classic-rock-magazine-2009-muse-article/ (https://erato1.wordpress.com/2009/06/20/classic-rock-magazine-2009-muse-article/)
"I've tried to push myself to learn new things, be it on an instrument or whatever," he said. "I played piano, but I didn't start progressing until after Showbiz. I'm influenced by a fair bit of classical music, but whe I say that, people think of Mozart, and I hate Mozart. The stuff I'm into is early 19th and 20th century where it's pushing the extremes of the instruments if the time."
Though personally he was split between apathetic resignation at impending global disintegration and unabated joy at simply being alive, musically, Absolution was an affront to a stagnant rock scene that, with the exception of "amazingly important" act like Nirvana, RATM, Refused and Tool, Bellamy had considered to have languished in its creative indifference for far too long.
"Rock, strangely enough, has been one of the most conservative genres around, and it's meant to be the opposite," he explained. "It's been a relative simple formula since the 70's and few bands are willing to push away from that. If you look at the most successful bands in rock from the last 10 years, they don't touch upon an ounce of the creativity of rock from the 70's." Musical wight came from elsewhere. "I recommend everyone out there listen to Romeo and Juliet by Prokofiev. It's one of the heaviest pieces of music you'll ever hear.
As 2006’s supermodern Black Holes and Revelations appeared to be the culmination everything Muse had learned so far, their two sold-out nights at the newly constructed Wembley stadium the following year seemed vindication of sticking to principles and never abandoning even the most outré of ideas. Anyone who wanted to congratulate them was welcome. Anyone who wanted to call them genius was less so.
Matt: “Musically to say that is an insult to other artists who’ve done stuff way more challenging than us. It worries me when people perceive this band at the level of genius. People that are genius, I don’t know where they are these days.”
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Tracklisting is up:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Resistance_(album)#Track_listing
1. "Uprising"
2. "Resistance"
3. "Undisclosed Desires"
4. "United States of Eurasia (+Collateral Damage)"
5. "Guiding Light"
6. "Unnatural Selection"
7. "MK Ultra"
8. "I Belong to You (+Mon coeur s'ouvre à ta voix)"
9. "Exogenesis: Symphony Part I (Overture)"
10. "Exogenesis: Symphony Part II (Cross Pollination)"
11. "Exogenesis: Symphony Part III (Redemption)"
Sounds good IMO, specially those last three tracks, they look really proggy :metal . But who knows, they are just names.
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Interesting to see "Softly awakes my heart" (Mon coeur s'ouvre à ta voix) from Samson & Deliliah in there. Wonder how they'll fit that in. I'm assuming that Bellamy won't be singing it as it is for female voice, obviously sung by Delilah in the opera. Piano piece, maybe? Or maybe it's just a song about Bellamy getting his hair cut.
Nice interview with Matt there. It's very true about rock being one of the most conservative genres out there with the majority of bands playing it very safe, DT not included. Also good to see him clearly keeping his feet on the ground. I'm sick of hearing people being called geniuses these days for righting highly simplistic music with very little emotion or power.
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I would put money on Bellemay singing it. First of all, there's no guarantee that it will be in the original key, and on top of that, its only a mezzo soprano song, and its really not that out of his range as it is
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Sounds great.
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1. "Uprising"
2. "Resistance"
3. "Undisclosed Desires"
4. "United States of Eurasia (+Collateral Damage)"
5. "Guiding Light"
6. "Unnatural Selection"
7. "MK Ultra"
8. "I Belong to You (+Mon coeur s'ouvre à ta voix)"
9. "Exogenesis: Symphony Part I (Overture)"
10. "Exogenesis: Symphony Part II (Cross Pollination)"
11. "Exogenesis: Symphony Part III (Redemption)"
not that the names make a difference, but it sounds cool so far
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My money is on Guiding Light being a ballad :P
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I'm feeling as excited as I felt when BC&SL's tracklist was announced. This promises to be huge. :metal
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I'm feeling as excited as I felt when BC&SL's tracklist was announced. This promises to be a vast adventure.
Fixed.
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The last 3 tracks sound really interesting.
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I'm feeling as excited as I felt when BC&SL's tracklist was announced. This promises to be a vast adventure.
Fixed.
I expected something more along the lines of "That's what the female said"
You dissappoint me.
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Aww great, now I can get another song confused with a different song of the same name (Unnatural Selection)
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Aww great, now I can get another song confused with a different song of the same name (Unnatural Selection)
:lol
What'll really blow your mind is when you find out that Arjen contributed a keyboard solo to this song.
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Aww great, now I can get another song confused with a different song of the same name (Unnatural Selection)
:lol
What'll really blow your mind is when you find out that Arjen contributed a keyboard solo to this song.
Please no. If anyone's going to do ivory-tinkling for Muse, it had better be Matt Bellamy.
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Aww great, now I can get another song confused with a different song of the same name (Unnatural Selection)
:lol
What'll really blow your mind is when you find out that Arjen contributed a keyboard solo to this song.
Please no. If anyone's going to do ivory-tinkling for Muse, it had better be Matt Bellamy.
Not only is Matt a great singer, guitar player and stage presence, if anyone plays lead keys but him I would be horrified. He can play and sing like no other. Super excited for the disk, last three tracks sound cool.
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I'm feeling as excited as I felt when BC&SL's tracklist was announced. This promises to be a vast adventure.
Fixed.
I expected something more along the lines of "That's what the female said"
You dissappoint me.
TCOT > TWSS
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Who else here is excited as hell for the big Exogenesis song?! :metal
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I'm feeling as excited as I felt when BC&SL's tracklist was announced. This promises to be a vast adventure.
Fixed.
I expected something more along the lines of "That's what the female said"
You dissappoint me.
YNM > TWSS
Fixed.
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Very excited about this upcoming Muse record, but I am hoping they don't go the same route with the sound that they did on the last few. Get rid of all of that compression and let the dynamics flow!
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Very excited about this upcoming Muse record, but I am hoping they don't go the same route with the sound that they did on the last few. Get rid of all of that compression and let the dynamics flow!
Agreed. Absolution and BH&R sounded smacked to the tiniest dB's! I don't know how much this will stray from the Muse sound, but if anything, I'm hoping for some kind of Origin of Symmetry vibe. Definately my favorite Muse album so far.
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Who else here is excited as hell for the big Exogenesis song?! :metal
Count me in. :metal
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Who else here is excited as hell for the big Exogenesis song?! :metal
no doubt
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Who's heard United States of Eurasia?
I really don't know what to think. Other than that it sounds a whole lot like Queen.
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Who's heard United States of Eurasia?
I really don't know what to think. Other than that it sounds a whole lot like Queen.
First thing I thought...not actually that impressed on first listen. I'll need to hear it again, but I'm not hearing anything truly amazing so far.
EDIT: Listened again. Good piano work from Matt as always. They weren't kidding about the classical music style either. Sounds kinda epic, but can't touch most of the songs on BH&R. I still hold high hopes for Exogenesis.
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i like it a lot actually. its pretty epic in a way
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Who's heard United States of Eurasia?
I really don't know what to think. Other than that it sounds a whole lot like Queen.
"We Are the Champions" for sure. But it's nice. It's not super wow, but the second part where he's playing the Chopin tune is really cool.
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I loved the track. I didn't know what to think at first, but I recall something similar happening with Supermassive Black Hole when it was first released. The piano work is outsanding as always, it's going to be great to have an album with lots of Bellamy piano stuff.
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Sounds a lot like Queen as said, but it's pretty decent. Is that Chopin at the end? The main riff sounds a lot like Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom also. Definitely bodes well for the album.
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Nice song; the sound seems to better than on BH&R, and yes, the Queen influence is damn big.
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Nothing wrong with a little Queen influence. The music is fantastic, and the lyrics are solid. The chorus chant part before the Chopin is darn cool.
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I'm not that surprised by the Queen influence. Dom Howard is apparently a huge Queen fan, and it seems to go hand-in-hand with the more classical direction they wanted to go in for the new album.
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AMAZING...Music in 2009 rules
Dream Theater
Thrice
Muse
Mastodon
Between the Buried and Me coming soon!
United States of Eurasia I think is the best song written this year so far.
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A lot of fail in the last post ;)
I keep forgetting that I'm seeing them live in a few months! And I keep forgetting to look forward to this album!
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Yeah that single that's hosted on Rapidshare that says
"This file is suspected to contain illegal content and has been blocked. After the file has been blocked for 7 days it will automatically be deleted, if the block is not removed by RapidShare. For this reason, a download of this file is currently not possible. "
when you try to download it. That's totally legit.
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Scurvy brings up a good point, the site in question says it is a fan site and nothing official. I'm removing the link and asking no one to post it again unless a proven, legitimate link can be made to the song.
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Well, you CAN download it from ununitedeurasia.muse.mu but when you try it asks for a username and password, which isn't your normal muse.mu login. I'm not really sure how to get at it from there, but there's a youtube video of it. It's obvious Muse wants the fans to hear it, why else would they hide 6 USBs around the world (for each part of the song) and give their fans hints at finding them?
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Well, you CAN download it from ununitedeurasia.muse.mu but when you try it asks for a username and password, which isn't your normal muse.mu login. I'm not really sure how to get at it from there, but there's a youtube video of it. It's obvious Muse wants the fans to hear it, why else would they hide 6 USBs around the world (for each part of the song) and give their fans hints at finding them?
I think you need to have signed up before the whole mission thing started. If you didn't then technically there is no legal way to get the song now. Fortunately I did :D
However, how to download the full song is really confusing :lol
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Ok, the file I downloaded seems to have worked :D
Very good song after first listen. Queen influence in a couple of places is stronger than usual, but it works well.
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EURA SSSSSSSSSSIIIIIIIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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My view:
United States of Eurasia is awful
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Listened a couple more times, and the song has really grown on me. The couple of things I wasn't sure about at first have been washed away by the awesomeness of pretty much everything in it. Even the stolen Chopin nocturne at the end, which is used very nicely.
Very pumped for the album! :D
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I think Bellamy's good with the guitar, but I think he's exceptional at piano. He's a magnificient piano player, and he just proved that with the Chopin section at the end of the track and the whole song throughout. Amazing. I missed some of his piano work in Black Holes (Hoodoo's piano section is very short)
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I hope the rest of this album has more imaginitave rhymes than this song. Musically it's decent, but it was lyrically embarrassing for me.
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First of all, have any of you actually listened to Muse before? Queen has always been a huge influence ever since the Showbiz album, so no surprise here. They've written many songs in this similar key and even used similar chord progressions. This sounds like Muse to me. I don't think it's the best song they've ever written, but it's not bad at all. I'm looking forward to listening...scratch that...buying the new album when it comes out in September....Muse has always been a very consistent band for me and i expect them to shine on this next album! Rock on! And seriously listen to the showbiz album if you haven't heard it...it'll rock your socks off! :metal Until next time...
-Mackwo
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I don't think anyone suggested that the Queen influence was a new thing (if they did, they're wrong), but surely even you have to admit that it's stronger in this song than anything else they've done, right down to the Brian May style guitar sound :lol
Not that it's a bad thing at all, it really works well, and the song is rather good!
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I don't think anyone suggested that the Queen influence was a new thing (if they did, they're wrong), but surely even you have to admit that it's stronger in this song than anything else they've done, right down to the Brian May style guitar sound :lol
Not that it's a bad thing at all, it really works well, and the song is rather good!
You are correct with the Brian May-esque guitar harmonies, it does make it sound more heavily influenced. And yes the song is getting better with repeat listens, pretty much how Black Holes and Revelations was for me too!
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Who wants a bit of Uprising?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjPW2Dz-GXs
Released to the radio on Monday. There's no need to thank me, merely kiss my balls.
I love it. It's completely new. USE was lovely but not entiiiirely novel for the band. This on the other hand is mental, it sounds like a weird 80s disco version of the Doctor Who theme or something - I no longer have a single doubt that this album is going to be amazing.
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Well those 30 seconds are already way better than United States of Eurasia.
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Pretty cool stuff! Dunno if I'd agree that it's that new; similarish vibe to Supermassive Black Hole.
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Pretty cool stuff! Dunno if I'd agree that it's that new; similarish vibe to Supermassive Black Hole.
That's what I thought. Can't wait for the full album to be released/leaked
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Well those 30 seconds are already way better than United States of Eurasia.
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Apparently, Muse loves to clap their hands.
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I honestly don't know what to think of The United States of Eurasia. It's definitely not as good as I thought it would be but it's not bad. If anything, it's plain underwhelming because there's not that much going on, at least not enough to capture my attention.
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Well those 30 seconds are already way better than United States of Eurasia.
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Ladies and gentlemen, the artwork.
(https://muse.mu/images/theresistance.jpg)
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Now THAT'S cool.
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Ladies and gentlemen, the artwork.
picture
Now THAT is beautiful.
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That's fuckin' sweet.
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Whoa.
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Cool stuff, pretty much what I'd expect from Muse in terms of abstractness.
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Woah, nice.
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That makes me want to buy the album, and I dont even like Muse that much
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Whoa. That's very pretty.
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That looks like one big giant Orgasm :tup
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woahhhhh i NEED THAT NOWWWW along with PT's The Incident
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woahhhhh i NEED THAT NOWWWW along with PT's The Incident
So...you want it nooooooow, you want it NOOOOOOWWWW?
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The single ``Uprising´´ is out.
Interesting choice for a first track of a record, I say.
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The single ``Uprising´´ is out.
Interesting choice for a first track of a record, I say.
I really really like that keyboard/synth melody that opens the song!
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The artwork is simply amazing. Uprising seems to be a very good song, and I think the album will sound better overall than BH&R.
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The artwork is simply amazing. Uprising seems to be a very good song, and I think the album will sound better overall than BH&R.
I agree, although BH&R was an amazing album, and from what I've heard, I'm sceptical about where the album will go, musically. Exogenesis will be the deciding factor for me.
And yes, the album artwork is jaw-dropping.
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The single ``Uprising´´ is out.
Interesting choice for a first track of a record, I say.
Catchy track.
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Edited out the link as that version is not provided by the band or the label, so is pirated. Be more careful please.
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Edited out the link as that version is not provided by the band or the label, so is pirated. Be more careful please.
Oh ok ok, thanks ;D . I thought it was already officialy released.
This is what happens to a noob :-[ ;D.
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Am I missing something with Muse? Everything I have heard sounds like something Coldplay or Radiohead already did, and much better.
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Repost
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Am I missing something with Muse? Everything I have heard sounds like something Coldplay or Radiohead already did, and much better.
Yes, clearly you are.
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Am I missing something with Muse? Everything I have heard sounds like something Coldplay or Radiohead already did, and much better.
Yes, clearly you are.
Ok, mind giving me a few songs to listen to that dont sound like a Coldplay or Radiohead ripoff?
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Well what have you heard already? Try the album Black Holes & Revelations.
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Am I missing something with Muse? Everything I have heard sounds like something Coldplay or Radiohead already did, and much better.
Bends-era Radiohead I can understand a little bit, especially with Muse's early stuff, but Coldplay? Coldplay is like Radiohead because they're English, but then with added water. Lots of water. Coldplay is extra-watered down Radiohead. Muse has the ability to make Radiohead sound like "Muse-lite."
Try these songs:
Take a Bow
Hysteria
Exo-Politics
Stockholm Syndrome
Starlight
Knights of Cydonia
Plug in Baby
New Born
Or just get the "Absolution" album.
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Am I missing something with Muse? Everything I have heard sounds like something Coldplay or Radiohead already did, and much better.
Bends-era Radiohead I can understand a little bit, especially with Muse's early stuff, but Coldplay? Coldplay is like Radiohead because they're English, but then with added water. Lots of water. Coldplay is extra-watered down Radiohead. Muse has the ability to make Radiohead sound like "Muse-lite."
Try these songs:
Take a Bow
Hysteria
Exo-Politics
Stockholm Syndrome
Starlight
Knights of Cydonia
Plug in Baby
New Born
Or just get the "Absolution" album.
True in every regard.
And the artwork looks great! Can't wait.
September is a far off.
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Except for a few songs on the first album, Muse DO NOT sound like Radiohead. The only reason people who haven't listened to Muse that much think that is because Matt Bellamy and Thom Yorke have extremely similar vocal styles. But once you've listened to both bands enough, it becomes pretty obvious that they have different sounds and very different approaches.
And Coldplay sounds more like Radiohead than Muse sounds like either of them, but I wouldn't say they sound that much like Radiohead.
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Ok, just listened to most of Muse's work on their website last night and today. I will say they are better than I thought. I prefer the heavier material like "Time is running out", "Hysteria" and "Knights.." However, alot of the other stuff like "Apocalypse Please", "Sing for absolution" and several others do indeed sound just like Radiohead. Its not just me, the AMG reviewers also bring it up alot and anyone who doesnt see the major similarities hasnt listened to either band much at all.
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If its good, its good... I dont really care if Muse and Radiohead are similar.
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Except for a few songs on the first album, Muse DO NOT sound like Radiohead. The only reason people who haven't listened to Muse that much think that is because Matt Bellamy and Thom Yorke have extremely similar vocal styles. But once you've listened to both bands enough, it becomes pretty obvious that they have different sounds and very different approaches.
And Coldplay sounds more like Radiohead than Muse sounds like either of them, but I wouldn't say they sound that much like Radiohead.
Psh, you and your logical posts!
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Ok, just listened to most of Muse's work on their website last night and today. I will say they are better than I thought. I prefer the heavier material like "Time is running out", "Hysteria" and "Knights.." However, alot of the other stuff like "Apocalypse Please", "Sing for absolution" and several others do indeed sound just like Radiohead. Its not just me, the AMG reviewers also bring it up alot and anyone who doesnt see the major similarities hasnt listened to either band much at all.
I can see how you'd make that conclusion with Sing for Absolution, but Apocalypse Please? That's got to be one of my favorite openers...those jarring, eerie, creepy chords and great vocal melody are just...*goes to listen again*
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They posted on myspace about pre-orders. There is a deluxe box that looks freekishly like the Black Clouds box set, and is a decent value, but I'm not a big enough Muse fan to lay down $100 on it.
I'm sure I'll end up pre-ordering the CD/DVD version from Amazon.
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Ok, just listened to most of Muse's work on their website last night and today. I will say they are better than I thought. I prefer the heavier material like "Time is running out", "Hysteria" and "Knights.." However, alot of the other stuff like "Apocalypse Please", "Sing for absolution" and several others do indeed sound just like Radiohead. Its not just me, the AMG reviewers also bring it up alot and anyone who doesnt see the major similarities hasnt listened to either band much at all.
I can see how you'd make that conclusion with Sing for Absolution, but Apocalypse Please? That's got to be one of my favorite openers...those jarring, eerie, creepy chords and great vocal melody are just...*goes to listen again*
I almost never hear about that song and it's one of my favorites (Apocalypse Please). I do believe I'll have a listen myself.
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i really like Uprising! :tup
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Honestly Uprising is a pretty disappointing opening track. Moves really slow and the only interesting part is the two note bass part that carries the song.
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Uprising is pretty immense
Hopefully United States Of Eurasia will be the only crap track on the record
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Uprising is pretty immense
Hopefully United States Of Eurasia will be the only crap track on the record
I liked United States of Eurasia. I love the Queen influence.
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Am I missing something with Muse? Everything I have heard sounds like something Coldplay or Radiohead already did, and much better.
Uh...Muse is great and coldplay is okay, but they are no where even in the same league as Radiohead! :facepalm:
-Mackwo
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If its good, its good... I dont really care if Muse and Radiohead are similar.
i used to compare Muse to Radiohead, and for some reason that made me like them less
then i realized they both kick ass and no one gives a shit
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Yeah, Muse is way, WAY better than Radiohead.
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Yeah, Muse is way, WAY better than Radiohead.
obligatory:
(https://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k143/punk_rocker_5583/GTFO-FAIL.jpg?t=1250469660)
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I'm not sure if Muse is "way WAY" better than Radiohead, but I basically agree with Nick. Radiohead is excellent, but I like Muse just a bit more.
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Yeah, Muse is way, WAY better than Radiohead.
Do you ever get tired of being dead-wrong?
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Talking to yourself? :p
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30 second clips of every song are now on Itunes. Sounds pretty damn good.
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30 second clips of every song are now on Itunes. Sounds pretty damn good.
Title track sounds awesome.
Overall, I'm getting a pretty poppy vibe from this.
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30 second clips of every song are now on Itunes. Sounds pretty damn good.
Title track sounds awesome.
Overall, I'm getting a pretty poppy vibe from this.
:|
If this is not better than BH&R then i'm gonna be really disappointed in this band.
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This is a very weird sounding album so far. Half of it seems like its going to be the "Supermassive Black Hole" + Queen, the other half sounds like epic symphonic stuff, esp. ExoGenesis. I thought, after reading a bunch of Bellamy interviews, that it was supposed to be more of the latter. I haven't even heard it yet and I'm not sure this album knows what it wants to be! :lol
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I love it so far
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This is a very weird sounding album so far. Half of it seems like its going to be the "Supermassive Black Hole" + Queen, the other half sounds like epic symphonic stuff, esp. ExoGenesis. I thought, after reading a bunch of Bellamy interviews, that it was supposed to be more of the latter. I haven't even heard it yet and I'm not sure this album knows what it wants to be! :lol
Truth.
But either way, it's great to see Muse going in their own direction and trying new things.
I'll love it, so can't wait for September.
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i didnt get to listen to this yet but i hear good things.
Anyone hear the album?
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Muse is average and highly overrated.
*runs*
*pokes head back in*
Also, WTF is with the comparison between Muse and Radiohead? They are absolutely nothing alike.
*runs again*
-J
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I wasn't a big fan of Muse before but this album is awesome.
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I'm a pretty big big fan of Muse and I am not diggin' this album.
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I like Muse. I like this album.
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I used to worship muse. Still think the stuff I loved back then is great, but don't listen to them as much anymore. The new album, however, is a huge massive letdown for me.
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I'm a pretty big big fan of Muse and I am not diggin' this album.
This, really. I've only listened to it once so far, but I just don't know what to think yet.
Can anyone tell me what woodwind instrument was used in I Belong to You? I think its a clarinet but I'm not sure.
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I can't find it anywhere on the interwebz, and it comes out in two days, so I don't know where people listen to it.
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If or when this album leaks or is "shared", it will not be discussed here. You may discuss the material, but that is all.
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Album is meh. Bellamy trying too hard to be Queen.
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Album is meh.
My thoughts exactly.
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Album is meh.
My thoughts exactly.
My overall impression too. I listened to it again today and its pretty disappointing after BH&R
My Standouts:
Resistance
Eurasia
Unnatural Selection
MK Ultra
Exogenesis
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Dammit, certainly don't like these early impressions. :(
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Dammit, certainly don't like these early impressions. :(
Like I'm going to trust all the cynics here :P
Gonna form my own opinion thank you very much :D
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Oh, I have no intentions of canceling my pre-order, but it is nice to see people being excited by what they hear, as opposed to this so far...
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Undisclosed Desires is really catchy IMO although sounds like the song rumors by Lindsay Lohan :D
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*revokes manliness card*
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Oh, I have no intentions of canceling my pre-order, but it is nice to see people being excited by what they hear, as opposed to this so far...
I totally agree. I was really pumped for this album and now I'm feeling like maybe I was being too optimistic.
I guess I'll find out when I buy it.
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Oh, I have no intentions of canceling my pre-order, but it is nice to see people being excited by what they hear, as opposed to this so far...
I totally agree. I was really pumped for this album and now I'm feeling like maybe I was being too optimistic.
I guess I'll find out when I buy it.
This.
Especially since I bought a 60 dollar ticket for a Muse show months ago.
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Listening to it right now. The Queen influences are quite big, especially in "The united states of eurasia".
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Oh, I have no intentions of canceling my pre-order, but it is nice to see people being excited by what they hear, as opposed to this so far...
I totally agree. I was really pumped for this album and now I'm feeling like maybe I was being too optimistic.
I guess I'll find out when I buy it.
This.
Especially since I bought a 60 dollar ticket for a Muse show months ago.
Muse are still incredible live, regardless of how much you like the album!
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Yeah that's true. And the show (and my company) were actually the biggest reasons to go and see them.
I mean, they'll still play Stockholm Syndrom live. I hope :metal
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Don't you mean Never Enough?
:splodetard:
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Just wanted to say that Exogenesis gave me THE CHILLS :metal :metal.
I really liked the rest also. Way diferent than their previous works, but really good IMO.
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I really like this album, more than black holes actually. this album is different, but different in a good way. :tup
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Like the PT cd, I am gonna wait until I have the physical cd to listen to it, but for those who have, how does it "sound"? More specifically, is it compressed to the nth degree like their last few albums have been? I love their music, but gah, I wish they would stop compressing everything to death and give their music the dynamics it deserves.
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I used to worship muse. Still think the stuff I loved back then is great, but don't listen to them as much anymore. The new album, however, is a huge massive letdown for me.
This, but I felt the same for BH&R, oh and Absolution as well.
I got into Muse when they released Showbiz, and then OoS was like an eargasm. I've just felt everything post OoS has been a let down :(
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Like the PT cd, I am gonna wait until I have the physical cd to listen to it, but for those who have, how does it "sound"? More specifically, is it compressed to the nth degree like their last few albums have been? I love their music, but gah, I wish they would stop compressing everything to death and give their music the dynamics it deserves.
I specifically remember listening to it the first time through and at one point thinking to myself how flat the drums sounded. Of course, it might be better on with true CD quality, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Am I the only one that sometimes thinks I accidently put in a Queen album instead a Muse one? Especially "The United States of Eurasia".
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Like the PT cd, I am gonna wait until I have the physical cd to listen to it, but for those who have, how does it "sound"? More specifically, is it compressed to the nth degree like their last few albums have been? I love their music, but gah, I wish they would stop compressing everything to death and give their music the dynamics it deserves.
It sounds way too compressed. Heavy parts don't have power because the guitars are somewhere buried UNDER the bass. I know, how is that even possible.
It's not only the mastering, you can hear that the initial mix sounds like crap. Also, Muse are trying way too hard on this album, their 'epicness' doesn't come across, and the undeep, flat production doesn't help either.
The first Muse album I'd call boring. Except for Exogenesis.
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Apparently you can listen to the album on Muse's FB page starting at 8am GMT tomorrow.
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Such an amazing album! I really love the Queen influence and the symphonic side of Muse. Might be my favorite Muse album. It different, but they experimented the right way and the album came out great!
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After 4 listens, it's still really weak. There are some solid songs, but it feels like they've done it all before. Symphony was very disappointing as well.
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I haven't been keeping up with this album's release, are there any good pre-order bonuses floating around?
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I don't like it. Listened to it 1.5 times now, and don't feel the urge to ever listen to it again.
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It's ok at best...massive disappointment
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after first listen, already better than Black Holes.
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after first listen, already better than Black Holes.
wat
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after first listen, already better than Black Holes.
wat
I'm apparently the only person on the board that likes Muse but doesn't like Black Holes (mostly).
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after first listen, already better than Black Holes.
wat
I'm apparently the only person on the board that likes Muse but doesn't like Black Holes (mostly).
no im the same way. it has some good stuff by i dont like it as much as others do.
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Black Holes isn't my favorite either, but it's waayyyy better than this album.
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There was a key work spoken, which led to a deletion, and deletion of subsequent posts, lets not say that word again.
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I don't get it anymore :(.
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This could be a grower. There are some decent songs, but nothing that immediately grabs me like Absolution and Black Holes did.
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My first listen through is complete. My favorite songs were Unnatural Selection and MK Ultra. This was definitely a surprise, I did not expect most of the material in this album. I'm not disappointed, though. I can definitely tell it's a grower. :D
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There was a key work spoken, which led to a deletion, and deletion of subsequent posts, lets not say that word again.
Sorry, I guess I don't understand why people can talk about albums blatantly acquired in a not-so-legal way, especially if you can't even speak of the specific word associated with that method.
I myself am waiting until the album is in my hands to listen to it.
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If I had my druthers, discussion of illegally obtained material would be banned outright, but as is you may (when DT or related projects are not involved) discuss material, but you may not even begin to hint at how you obtained it.
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There was a key work spoken, which led to a deletion, and deletion of subsequent posts, lets not say that word again.
Sorry, I guess I don't understand why people can talk about albums blatantly acquired in a not-so-legal way, especially if you can't even speak of the specific word associated with that method.
I myself am waiting until the album is in my hands to listen to it.
The album is out here in stores.
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There was a key work spoken, which led to a deletion, and deletion of subsequent posts, lets not say that word again.
Sorry, I guess I don't understand why people can talk about albums blatantly acquired in a not-so-legal way, especially if you can't even speak of the specific word associated with that method.
I myself am waiting until the album is in my hands to listen to it.
The album is out here in stores.
Yeah. The album was officially released the 11th of September.
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Oh ok, didn't realize it was out in some countries already. I'm still waiting for Tuesday :(
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My comment was generalized, not specific to this thread really.
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I don't like it. IMO, worst Muse album by far. I only liked Exogenesis.
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I'm really enjoying this album so far. There are things I don't like about it but overall it's a quality release and a good mix of fun, poppy songs with more epic songs.
I really like that Muse is a band that develops with each release, rightly or wrongly. They are always exploring their sound. Though, I do miss the big guitar riffs there is a lot to like about this album.
At this stage I would rate it higher than black holes.
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I really like it. 1984 being one of my favourite books I like the lyrics. The music is also great to my ears.
I would probably rates this above Black Hole, but not above OoS. BH&R is great, but there are too many tracks that don't do much for me.
TR is very solid and I can't wait to hear Unnatural Selection live :metal . The symphony maybe could have been better, but it was still an amazing experience listening to it at 1 AM with the lights off.
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Got my copy in the post about 10 minutes ago, it's ripping now.
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My first listen through is complete. My favorite songs were Unnatural Selection and MK Ultra. This was definitely a surprise, I did not expect most of the material in this album. I'm not disappointed, though. I can definitely tell it's a grower. :D
Awesome, I generally like and trust your tastes so this fills me with hope :D
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Am I the only one that sometimes thinks I accidently put in a Queen album instead a Muse one? Especially "The United States of Eurasia".
No. I can't stand queen, it's VERY disappointing to see one of my favourite bands try so hard to emulate a band I absolutely can't stand. Really disappointing. i feel muse have gone off the boil tbh.
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Fail at hating Queen, Queen rock.
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Been listening to this for free on their facebook page the last few days, and I am digging it like crazy. First listen was kind of meh, but it exploded on me on the second listen. "I Belong to You" is simply incredible; that will go down as one of their best songs to date.
As for the Queen thing, there are definitely some moments like sound Queen-ish, not in the sense of sounding like a particular Queen song, but in the sense of sounding like something Queen would have done, but it is not like that is new or anything. Besides, if nothing else, maybe now that will get the knuckleheads who always say, "They sound like Radiohead," to now say, "They sound like Queen." :lol :lol :lol
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Been listening to this for free on their facebook page the last few days, and I am digging it like crazy. First listen was kind of meh, but it exploded on me on the second listen. "I Belong to You" is simply incredible; that will go down as one of their best songs to date.
As for the Queen thing, there are definitely some moments like sound Queen-ish, not in the sense of sounding like a particular Queen song, but in the sense of sounding like something Queen would have done, but it is not like that is new or anything. Besides, if nothing else, maybe now that will get the knuckleheads who always say, "They sound like Radiohead," to now say, "They sound like Queen." :lol :lol :lol
Have you listened to the united states of eurasia? There is a bit in there that is exactly the same as Bohemian Rhapsody.
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I've listened to the whole cd several times. I didn't hear "Bohemian Rhapsody" in that song; perhaps you could give me a time stamp and I'll check it out. :)
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I've listened to the whole cd several times. I didn't hear "Bohemian Rhapsody" in that song; perhaps you could give me a time stamp and I'll check it out. :)
At least, I think it's from Bohemian Rhapsody. It's Queen at least :p.
1:15-1:25, especially the bit right after 1:15.
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That just sounds like Queen's general style, not any particular song or even era.
I've only heard United States (which I think is great) and this afternoon I listened to the Uprising single on Spotify for the first time, and I think it's great! Very strong Marilyn Manson vibe, only less dark.
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Actually, the way it explodes out of the verse is similar to what "We Are the Champions" does, but it doesn't actually sound like it.
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at about 1:18 or so the two chords are VERY obviously Queen influenced, and sound similar to We Are the Champions leading into the chorus (they're the exact same two chords, with very similar sounding guitar harmonies). It jumped out at me pretty obvious. It's only a second or two though.
Listening to the song (and Muse) for the first time here just because I was interested in hearing if it was similar to Bohemian Rhapsody.
Damn, beaten to it :lol
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Darn, I love this CD. It's definitely a massive grower. MK Ultra might be one of my favorite Muse songs.
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Alright, here's my veredict after several listens by now:
This is an amazing Muse record. Definitely different from everything they had done up to this point, but a welcome surprise nonetheless. we get to see a truly different side of Matthew Bellamy's musical inspirations and influences, and it's noticeable since the first moment a piano note is played in the album. Piano is abundant in this album, which is a good thing of course judging by Matthew Bellamy's amazing prowess with the piano. The Exogenesis Symphony was definitely a grower, when I listened to it at first I didn't know what to think, but know I think it's one of the best things Muse has ever done. The last part, Redemption, reminds me of Citizen Erased's ending, but more grand and more epic. Matthew Bellamy's voice sounds more mature than ever, and his piano/guitar work here is outstanding. Dom's drum work is exceptional as well (I think of MK Ultra, which is my favorite song on the record by the way) and Chris shines in the bass (as he always does) as well. I definitely hear the Queen influence, and that's a good thing of course because Queen can't be a bad influence, or can they? I agree with Kev's point at the knuckleheads, calling the album a Queen tribute like comparing past Muse albums with Radiohead's music.
Where am I trying to get? Muse still sounds like Muse. Songs like Unnatural Selection, MK Ultra, Resistance and Uprising still have that Muse vibe which most of us fans have come to love in the past years. The best thing? It's a massive grower. It took a while to digest, but when it did, it was one of the most rewarding musical experiences I've had in the past year. The worst thing? It's less than 60 minutes long. :D
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Thanks for the review! :D
God I am SO looking forward to tomorrow now. As soon as I get out from work/college, I'm going straight to the stores to buy the new Muse and PT albums :D
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First listen now!
Just finished United States... and I can only say one thing:
Wow. This is exactly how I pictured Muse, but never really came out with older albums.
I really felt with older albums (with the exeption of Absolution) that they were going for the middle way far too often. Restraining from sounding either too poppy, or too Queen-esque, or too proggy. This albums explores their limits on all of those accounts, but I feel it really is close to the chest work from Matthew and the guys.
Wonder what'll happen if this album grows as you guys say it does.
Holy update, batman:
I'm nearly done with my first listen on this albums, and wow, it keeps getting better. This one will grow, but this is now already one of my favourite muse records, together with Absolution. Incredible.
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Glad to see people on this page enjoying the album :laugh:
My sister is a massive muse fan and she was quite let down with the album. But so far I really like it. :hat
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The album as a whole is a grower. There are only a handful few songs that clicked the first time, like MK Ultra and Unnatural Selection. God, those songs rock. My only complaint with MK is that the super awesome and chugging riff should have been used more, like in New Born for example.
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I love Undisclosed Desires. Otherwise I'm not sure on this one.
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I love Undisclosed Desires. Otherwise I'm not sure on this one.
I just listened to this on Facebook, holy crap it is amazing.
I really need to explore this band!
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After nearly a week of owning this album I absolutely cannot understand some of the criticism.
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It doesn't have the banging heavy moments of Absolution & Origin. Still, that song Uprising is catchy and triumphant as f**k!! May the rest of the album click for me in this way as well.
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It doesn't have the banging heavy moments of Absolution & Origin.
Ahem, 6:27 onwards in Unnatural Selection :metal
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Picked it up on way home from work, on first listen now :D
Loving it so far! Uprising is a great song, Resistance was good (reminded me somewhat of Starlight, but way more interesting) and Undisclosed Desires was totally groovy! On United States now, which I've heard a couple of times before and is great.
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Wow, really really good album! The only song I'm pretty uninterested in is Guiding Light, feels a lot like this album's Invincible (which I also find quite dull), but the rest ranges from good to incredible. Exogenesis is pretty wonderful as well.
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Hm...after listening to this a while its gotten better. Unnatural Selection isn't as good as I remember, and Guiding Light still isn't very good, but the others are still pretty good songs, and Exogenesis is still cool.
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Actually, the way it explodes out of the verse is similar to what "We Are the Champions"
That's it.
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That just sounds like Queen's general style, not any particular song or even era.
I've only heard United States (which I think is great) and this afternoon I listened to the Uprising single on Spotify for the first time, and I think it's great! Very strong Marilyn Manson vibe, only less dark.
And I thought I was the only one who noticed that. The first time I heard Uprising on the radio, I thought "Is this some sort of Disposable Teens remix?"
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I bought it today along with The Incident, but have yet to listen to it. (because Incident took precedence :P). Hopefully I'll enjoy it.
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I bought it today along with The Incident, but have yet to listen to it. (because Incident took precedence :P). Hopefully I'll enjoy it.
I picked up both of them on iTunes, and The Incident leads into The Resistance nicely.
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Ok this album is no Absolution...infact most albums will never match that level for me.
But...this Muse album indeed is super awesome. It's got the mix about right with Prog elements, pop and hard rock.
The orchestral movements, Bellamy's voice and the drumming are tight. A very well rounded performance. One of the albums of the year. It does have Queen influence...but that's what makes it awesome.
Im very happy with this release.
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First listen, it's pretty cool but nothing groundbreaking overall. I absolutely love Uprising and it's sweet groove. The real meat of the album is Exogenesis. Fuck, that thing blew me away. It's bombastic, massive, definitely one of the best things Muse has ever done.
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euray-SHAAA! SHAA! SHAA!
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euray-SHAAA! SHAA! SHAA!
:D I think its one of the highlights for me along with Exogenesis
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Does anyone else love Undisclosed Desires? It has a nice groove and I love the chorus!
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My least favorite Muse album by far.
My first full listen was in my car as I drove to band practice and home. I have good aftermarket stereo equipment. All that came to mind was boring, uninspired, typical, overly slow and just not exciting at all.
Then I got home and put it in my stereo and listened more critically. Still - it's not exciting or a record that makes me want to listen to it over and over. I heard more of the details and the effort put into it and appreciated some of the cooler parts (few and short as they were). My song break-downs:
UPRISING - Fairly good opening track. It's an uptempo, catchy pop tune with a lot of pomp to it. It seems they kind of played it safe through this one - but that helped make it likeable.
RESISTANCE - I'd ditch the first 45 seconds or so of the "eerie sounds" and start right at the piano riff. I'd like bigger sounding guitars for the chorus parts. I'd cut the "epic" end too. The beginning and end parts don't change the feel of the song for me. The core of the song is solid Muse. Not bad.
UNDISCLOSED DESIRES - sounds of 80's art-pop. It sort of reminds me of the Eurythmics. That's not bad though. The chorus could somehow sound bigger.
U.S. of E. - boring start. Vocal melodies are far too typical Muse - heard it before. Many say this is reminiscent of Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen. I totally agree as it's heard at about 1:18. The eastern-sounding theme is really unexpected and the whole middle of this song gets far better. There was a really good guitar solo. I enjoyed this part. The ending goes on for far too long and the piano and whatnot is boring. I'm not discounting the musicianship - just it doesn't add to the song.
GUIDING LIGHT - This sounds like a lost track off of U2's Achtung Baby album. Seriously. Meh Muse song.
UNNATURAL SELECTION - More energy in this one - big rock tune. I started to like it. Then the middle section - too long of a departure. The guitar tone and playing in the solo here annoyed me. The end of the song picks back up - but the flow of the song was messed up with the middle part.
MK ULTRA - This track I really liked. More typical Muse-rock. I apologize for lack of description here - but I just liked the song.
I BELONG TO YOU + a bunch of french - Not sure what to think of this track. It has a bouncy, piano driven first section. It's pretty good. The middle part goes a whole new direction and has a few different themes that are made to work together - not sure if they do that well though. Over all that - there's a sax solo or some kind of horn. Then the main theme comes back a bit for the end. I guess I don't immediately identify with this song and it's parts. It's just ok.
THE SYMPHONY SECTIONS (3 parts) - I can tell this was an ambitious project and it was quite a risk to put this on the album. I would have liked to have heard greater variation and movements. Something more powerful. I feel it's overall too mellow and ends the album on a lack-luster note.
Overall - there's a lot of orchestration throughout the album and I think they used it too much or relied on it excessively. Others have said the album was poorly produced and there was too much compression. I'm not an expert at hearing that - but this album really lacks energy and I know there should be a lot more of it in several places.
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Does anyone else love Undisclosed Desires? It has a nice groove and I love the chorus!
Right here man. Best part of the album without question.
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lol Shitfork (https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/13453-the-resistance/)
As with so many 21st-century mainstream (or quasi-mainstream) rock albums unafraid to stuff 10 tons of quasi-operatic melodrama into 60 or so minutes, The Resistance will be easily dismissed by those into the Grizzly Bear/Dirty Projectors brand of orchestrated art-rock. You know, where the album has a pleasing ramshackle feel under the surface-level skillfulness, the sense that the vocal acrobatics or tricky instrumental interplay could suddenly veer into uncomfortable, mock amateurish expressionism.
By contrast, you never get the sense that Muse are anything less than in total control of their "difficult" music at all times. Throughout The Resistance, frontman Matt Bellamy is ready and willing to foreground his chops, be it tickling the ivories, hopping octaves, or tossing out increasingly tasteful solos. If the The Resistance is "about" anything, aside from the conceptual malarkey encoded in the lyrics, it's about mastery, ego-security, etc. It's the kind of all-caps, no half-stepping ART-ROCK that closes with a three-part mini-epic so shameless about its own classic rock bigness that it's billed as a "Symphony", complete with "Overture". Jumped ship yet?
For the wary or outright dismissive, however, The Resistance is also a very smartly sequenced album. it opens with the most "pop" sequence of the band's career, a three-song sequence aping the stadium-grade synth-rock of Depeche Mode at their crossover height. It then segues into a middle section of hard (but not too hard) rock, nodding in the direction of grottier bands like Queens of the Stone Age or System of a Down without stripping away the sparkle. Only then does The Resistance shift into the sort of fist-pumping, kitchen-sink prog you were probably expecting. It's canny: Leading the uncommitted down a drum machine paved path of catchy 1980s revivalism and straight into the path of an army of kids straddling the gap between entry-level classical and "Headbanger's Ball".
And "army" is right: Unity in the face of faceless post-industrial society grinding down beautiful stuff like love and friendship is perhaps Muse's great theme. Bellamy is constantly tossing out mass-shout-along-ready lyrics like "we will be victorious" and "they won't stop breaking us down." Songs get titles like "Uprising" and (natch) "Resistance". Things break down easily into a "we" (rarely does an "I" creep into Bellamy's songwriting) and a "they." Your age-old, rock-standard good (we, the fans) vs. evil (them, the nebulous straight government-corporate nexus) set-up, got it?
But unlike the creepy mass-rally overtones that so bugged early rock critics about music designed to pack civic centers-- or thrilled them when it was punk leading in the kids in revolt-- you get the sense that Bellamy's lyrics are an outgrowth of wanting to make his music as big and inclusive as possible, rather than any inchoate political impulses. No doubt Bellamy fancies himself some sort of social crusader, but his mush-headed vagueness (like Bono and Chris Martin and just about any Brit frontman operating on this scale) is designed to inspire warm fuzzy feelings of togetherness and resistance rather than offer any ten-point plan to overthrow the emotionally fascist modern world.
So let's take the warm fuzzy bigness of the music at face value. It's understandable if the Buckley mannerisms and Mercury multi-tracking on "The United States of Eurasia" aren't your cup of tea. You may cringe at the Pavlov-approved crescendos that surge through "Guiding Light", the sort of thing where you imagine a ProTools preset producers have nicknamed "10,000 People Holding up Bics They Bought Especially for the Concert." And then there's "Exogenesis", the aforementioned "Symphony" in three parts. Now a Daydream Nation style knowing "trilogy" this is not. There's massed strings. There's half-time chest-beating theatrics ready for flashpots and Vegas set design. If it's not quite Keith Emerson's territory-- or Celine Dion's, for that matter-- it's a similarly grandiose ballpark where the fans wear slightly different clothes.
But still: I'm a punk at heart, suspicious about the meeting of rock band and orchestra after all these years, and even I have to admit there's something cornily beautiful about "Exogenesis", like Radiohead with no fear of pushing things until the motor bursts into flames. Judged on its own terms-- out of control scale, genre-smashing ambition, musical and vocal virtuosity-- The Resistance is a success. It's just the kind of success where you have to appreciate a guy who builds his own guitars daring himself to make the next song even more rapturously overstuffed and classically cathartic. It's an album you can embrace or get the fuck out of its way. There's really no in between. It's high-test pop-prog hokum, better suited to mashing buttons to kill wizards or gorging on a stack of four-color batshittery than working on your thesis or darning your socks.
Video games or comics are probably a closer comparison than most of the music Pitchfork covers, actually. There's a prevailing idea that there's something spiritually and emotionally dangerous about grown men and women spending most of their alone-time immersed in improbable fantasies where interpersonal relationships and the traumas of the real world can be dispatched/ignored via magical powers. But do you want to wallow in grey impotence in the face of quotidian bullshit every damn minute of the day? Escape, whether via Matt Bellamy or the Immortal Iron Fist or the fine folks at Nintendo, shouldn't be a dirty word, at least when used sparingly.
— Jess Harvell, September 15, 2009
they actually give it a more favorable review than many, just to stroke their ego saying they know better than the blogs that are ripping it. Reverse Psychology perhaps.
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Have to say, some people seem to be judging this album against completely different criteria than all of Muse's other albums!
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Gonna do a track-by-track real quick:
Uprising-Nothing bad about this at all. I quite like it.
Resistance-Same thing. Nothing too bad about this. Sounds like OoS Muse
Undisclosed Desires-Man this song is awesome. Huge departure for Muse, but still very fun and has a great groove.
USE-Starts off great, but those Queen-like sections just don't work too much for me. Good song, but there's something else Muse could've done with it, I'm sure.
Guiding Light-ick.
Unnatural Selection-Started off so well, but like fivestring said, it loses its flow in the middle. The instrumental's just sort of boring.
MK Ultra-Good stuff.
I Belong to You-Another great experimental song. I like this a lot.
Exogenesis-Its good, but like Fivestring said, its too mellow for the cathartic ending I was expecting.
Still pretty disappointed after a few listens, but unlike The Incident, which has grown on me a LOT since I heard it, this hasn't really blown up to greatness for me.
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"Unnatural Selection" is freaking awesome, and the "Exogenesis" suite is rad as hell. I love the middle of Part 2 where it picks up and he is singing over that awesome string section.
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"Unnatural Selection" is freaking awesome, and the "Exogenesis" suite is rad as hell. I love the middle of Part 2 where it picks up and he is singing over that awesome string section.
Hell yeah man!
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"Unnatural Selection" is freaking awesome, and the "Exogenesis" suite is rad as hell. I love the middle of Part 2 where it picks up and he is singing over that awesome string section.
Both of these!
I think Exogenesis is great. Aside from the orchestra use, it's very OoS. The intro sounds a hell of a lot like the start to Megalomania, and the last part sounds a bit like the outro to Citizen Erased. Great great stuff!
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Yeah, I don't get some of the "it's not epic enough" opinions about the suite. Muse is not some band that is gonna do an over-the-top epic. The whole suite is very well-written, and is just a gorgeous overall piece of music.
And I cannot remember if I said hear yet or not, but I love how much piano is on this record. Matt Bellamy is a beast on the piano; I think he could be one of rock's best, but he doesn't play it enough, and it is not even his "main" instrument, so he will never get his due, but make no mistake, the guy can play his rocks off.
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The first part of Exogenesis sounds like Micro Cuts pt. II. Overall the whole thing's pretty good. I guess I was just a little too hyped that they'd do something as epic as Take a Bow.
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And I cannot remember if I said hear yet or not, but I love how much piano is on this record. Matt Bellamy is a beast on the piano; I think he could be one of rock's best, but he doesn't play it enough, and it is not even his "main" instrument, so he will never get his due, but make no mistake, the guy can play his rocks off.
Completely agreed about the piano playing on this record. I mean, I like Black Holes a lot, but the reduced amount of piano was a shame. Nice to hear it in heavy usage again.
Although I'm not sure I agree about it not being his main instrument... unless you mean his main one is voice. It's certainly more his main instrument than guitar, he just plays guitar a lot more live (i.e. in songs where he has recorded both guitar and keys/piano in the studio, he'll usually pick guitar) because he can move around on the stage and "pull rock star poses". That's paraphrased from something he said after making Absolution I think.
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The third part of exogenesis is one of the most beautiful songs i've heard.
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The album has grown on me, but I still think is their worst. I don't enjoy most of the songs, but I dont' think they are bad, not at all. Just not my cup of tea.
The third part of exogenesis is one of the most beautiful songs i've heard.
And this.
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And I cannot remember if I said hear yet or not, but I love how much piano is on this record. Matt Bellamy is a beast on the piano; I think he could be one of rock's best, but he doesn't play it enough, and it is not even his "main" instrument, so he will never get his due, but make no mistake, the guy can play his rocks off.
Completely agreed about the piano playing on this record. I mean, I like Black Holes a lot, but the reduced amount of piano was a shame. Nice to hear it in heavy usage again.
Although I'm not sure I agree about it not being his main instrument... unless you mean his main one is voice. It's certainly more his main instrument than guitar, he just plays guitar a lot more live (i.e. in songs where he has recorded both guitar and keys/piano in the studio, he'll usually pick guitar) because he can move around on the stage and "pull rock star poses". That's paraphrased from something he said after making Absolution I think.
Generally speaking, he plays guitar far more than piano, in the studio as well as live, so that is why I would call that his main instrument.
The album has grown on me, but I still think is their worst.
It is still too early for me to say if I like it as much or more than Absolution, Black Holes... or Origin of Symmetry, but unless you don't like this record at all, I have a hard time believing a Muse fan would like Showbiz more than this. Showbiz has a few really good songs, but has a lot of crap, too; I consider it their worst album, by far.
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I honestly find that Showbiz isn't this great abomination that most Muse fans think it is, I rather enjoyed it. I'm not saying I like it more than the other three, but there is not this huge gap between it and the other three in my eyes.
Also, my copy of this shipped this morning. :D
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This CD is so good!!!! There are very few CDs which, from the first note, make me say "this is fucking good!". This CD is one of those. It is really catchy, and really interesting.
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I honestly find that Showbiz isn't this great abomination that most Muse fans think it is, I rather enjoyed it. I'm not saying I like it more than the other three, but there is not this huge gap between it and the other three in my eyes.
I don't think anyone has called it an abomination; it's a good album, but it's nowhere near as good as anything else they've done.
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for the European people. Biffy Clyro is going to be opening for Muse on some dates in November and December 2009.
To see Biffy and Muse in 1 show would be pretty sweet.
Biffy Clyro's myspace blog
https://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=7901934&blogId=510558489
BIFFY TO SUPPORT MUSE - RESCHEDULE SEVERAL UK AND EUROPEAN SHOWS!
Biffy Clyro are delighted to announce that they have been invited by Muse to be their main support on 14 massive dates across Europe through November and December.
Unfortunately because of these support dates it has meant that several of the band’s UK and European headline shows have been rescheduled. The UK dates being rearranged are Southampton Guildhall moving to 24 October and Cardiff University to 25 October.
The band and management are sorry to anyone inconvenienced by the change of dates, but please be assured that all tickets for the shows are still valid for the rescheduled dates. We will be announcing rescheduled dates for the Dresden, Warsaw, Prague, Barcelona, Madrid and Toulouse shows in the coming weeks.
For more information and ticket details check out our new site at www.biffyclyro.com
The full list of UK, Ireland and European shows including those with Muse are:
Oct
24 Southampton, Guildhall. UK (Please note rescheduled date)
25 Cardiff, University. UK (Please note rescheduled date
28 Belfast, St. George’s Market. UK
29 Dublin, Olympia. Ireland
Nov
01 Dundee, Caird Hall, UK
02 Glasgow, Barrowland. UK
03 Glasgow, Barrowland. UK
04 Newcastle, Academy. UK
06 Leeds, Academy. UK
07 Manchester, Apollo. UK
08 Nottingham, Rock City. UK
09 Birmingham, Academy. UK
11 Norwich, UEA. UK
12 London, Brixton Academy. UK
14 Rotterdam, Ahoy. Holland (w/Muse)
15 Saarbrücken, Garage. Germany
16 Cologne, Lanxess Arena. Germany (w/Muse)
17 Paris, Bercy. France (w/Muse)
18 Zurich, Hallenstadion. Switzerland (w/Muse)
20 Munich, Olympiahalle. Germany (w/Muse)
21 Bologna, FuturShow Station. Italy (w/Muse)
22 Lyon, Hall Tony Garnier. France (w/Muse)
23 Cologne, Gloria. Germany
25 Toulouse, Zenith. France (w/Muse)
27 Barcelona, Pabellion Olympicaale da Badalona. Spain (w/Muse)
28 Madrid, Palacio de Deportes. Spain (w/Muse)
29 Lisbon, Pavilhao Atlantico. Portugal (w/Muse)
Dec
01 Limoges, Zenith. France (w/Muse)
02 Dijon, Zenith. France (w/Muse)
04 Turin, Palasport Olimpico. Italy (w/Muse)
05 Zurich, Mascotte. Switzerland
06 Munich, Backstage. Italy
07 Milan, Magnolia. Italy
09 Fribourg, Fri-Son. Switzerland
10 Vienna, Flex. Austria (Please note rescheduled date)
11 Wiesbaden, Schlachthof. Germany (Please note rescheduled date)
12 Hamburg, Grunspan. Germany (Please note rescheduled date)
13 Berlin, Postbanhof. Germany (Please note rescheduled date)
15 Paris, La Trabendo. France
16 Brussels, VK. Belgium
17 Amsterdam, Melkweg. Holland
19 Copenhagen, Loppen. Denmark (Please note rescheduled date)
20 Rotterdam, Watt Basement. Holland (Please note rescheduled date)
21 Bochum, Zeche. Germany (Please note rescheduled date)
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The bass line in Resistance is so friggin' great and really loud in the mix!
Anyone who hasn't paid attention to this while listening, go and do so now!
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The bass is so prominent in the whole album it's ridiculous and amazingly good.
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The bass is so prominent in the whole album it's ridiculous and amazingly good.
I know, but the part in that song in particular is just amazing :D
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United States of EURAJAAAAAAA JAAAAAAAAAAAAAA JAAAAAAAAAAAAA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os_nITXTSuM
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I just realized that USoE is a pretty good song except for the retarded chanting.
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I just realized that USoE is a pretty good song except for the retarded chanting.
I think a lot of people were put off by the queen vocals and the lyrical content. I think it's a great track and that violin/piano section that comes in after the 'United Staaaaaaates of...' part is ridiculously good.
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It took a couple listens, but this CD is RIDICULOUSLY good. It blows my mind how Muse can creat an epic, beutiful soundscape that is still catchy and easy to listen to. Matt's vocals are amazing, Chris pulls of some super groovy bass lines, and Dom brings a solid background. All around brilliant. Top songs: Resistance, MK Ultra, Unnatural Selection, Exogenesis.
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Got this in today. :D
Not going to listen to it till I go to visit Amanda later, as she'll want to hear it.
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So far, songs I am totally loving:
"I Belong to You"
"Exogenesis"
"Unnatural Selection"
Songs I am liking a lot:
"Resistance"
"Uprising"
Songs I go back and forth between liking and being somewhat indifferent towards:
"Indisclosed Desires"
"United States of Eurasia"
"Guiding Light"
"MK Ultra"
Overall, I like this record a lot, but I have a feeling that the least best songs not being nearly as good as the least best songs on the three previous albums will put it at fourth on my favorite Muse records list. Nothing wrong with that. :)
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Which album to start with for this band fellas?
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Personally I'd say Absolution.
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Origin of Symmetry
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Absolution
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Which album to start with for this band fellas?
As already said, you can't go wron with either Absolution or Origin of Symmetry. If you don't love either of those albums you probably won't love Muse.
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Just bought this album yesterday, been listening to it nonstop since.
INCREDIBLE job by Muse, I can't believe some of the bad press it's getting...I think it's an absolutely fantastic album.
Best tracks IMO: Exogenesis is simply impeccable--beautiful and inspiring and very well crafted. Uprising is catchy as hell, and Unnatural Selection is a great rocker. The title track is also a big winner in my book, and MK Ultra continues to grow on me...and for some reason I have a strange fascination with Undisclosed Desires, but I can't really figure out why. Also the "United States of...EURASIA" part in that song is incredible.
WHAT AN AWESOME ALBUM.
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And I cannot remember if I said hear yet or not, but I love how much piano is on this record. Matt Bellamy is a beast on the piano; I think he could be one of rock's best, but he doesn't play it enough, and it is not even his "main" instrument, so he will never get his due, but make no mistake, the guy can play his rocks off.
Completely agreed about the piano playing on this record. I mean, I like Black Holes a lot, but the reduced amount of piano was a shame. Nice to hear it in heavy usage again.
Although I'm not sure I agree about it not being his main instrument... unless you mean his main one is voice. It's certainly more his main instrument than guitar, he just plays guitar a lot more live (i.e. in songs where he has recorded both guitar and keys/piano in the studio, he'll usually pick guitar) because he can move around on the stage and "pull rock star poses". That's paraphrased from something he said after making Absolution I think.
Generally speaking, he plays guitar far more than piano, in the studio as well as live, so that is why I would call that his main instrument.
He actually writes all his songs on piano. Even heavy riffs like Stockholm Syndrome or dancey ones like Supermassive Black Hole, it's almost all originally written on piano. He's a far better pianist than guitarist. So yeah, piano's definitely DEFINITELY his main.
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Just bought it yesterday, early impressions are good
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for some reason I have a strange fascination with Undisclosed Desires, but I can't really figure out why
Exactly this. Every time it starts, I'm like "Oh, this]/i] one again." But I keep going back to listen to it.
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I'm seeing Muse on Thurday. They are opening for U2. I really couldn't care less. I'm just throwing that piece of information out there.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oTt8Noi5Rk
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oTt8Noi5Rk
That video was hilarious!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oTt8Noi5Rk
Oh. My. God.
That was absolutely hilarious!
Dom actually does a great job pretending to be a frontman :lol
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oTt8Noi5Rk
:lol Muse are always hilarious when it comes to "playing" at TV shows.
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:lol
That little keyboard part comes in right before the chorus, Chris steps away from the keyboard, and the camera flips to a smirking Matt.
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I posted that to facebook like 4 hours ago and I've got a stupid number of comments already :lol
It's amazing. I love Matt's pointing during the solo.
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:rollin
Great stuff!
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I've heard very little Muse but what I have heard I've mostly enjoyed. Would this be a good album to start with the band?
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I've heard very little Muse but what I have heard I've mostly enjoyed. Would this be a good album to start with the band?
Maybe not. Blackholes or Origin would be my recommendations
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The album has grown on me, but I still think is their worst.
It is still too early for me to say if I like it as much or more than Absolution, Black Holes... or Origin of Symmetry, but unless you don't like this record at all, I have a hard time believing a Muse fan would like Showbiz more than this. Showbiz has a few really good songs, but has a lot of crap, too; I consider it their worst album, by far.
I prefer Showbiz as a whole. IMO, The Resistance "peak" moments are much better than the ones in Showbiz, but the second is more consistent from start to finish. Anyway, I've just heard the album a few times, and its current position is not permanent.
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I've heard very little Muse but what I have heard I've mostly enjoyed. Would this be a good album to start with the band?
Maybe not. Blackholes or Origin would be my recommendations
No way, I'd say Black Holes was a pretty bad place to start (which isn't to say I don't like it).
I'd say Absolution, or maybe Origin of Symmetry, are the best place to start.
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Black Holes and Resistance are an acquired taste I'd say. They both are very different from traditional rock Cd's.
Of course, Muse is much more than an average band, so you could start there and still love it, but a little knowledge of their more "popular" stuff will let you appreciate the band more.
So yeah, I'd say Absolution, then Origins of Symmetry, and Showbiz/Black Holes/Resistance afterwards.
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I'd say Showbiz last. I mean, it's got some really good stuff, but a lot of it is very run of the mill. Black Holes and Resistance, while a bit wackier and not necessarily to everyone's tastes, are more varied, vibrant and exciting IMO.
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Amazing album...It took me forever to finally listen to TR. I would start with Black holes or Symmetry for you sir.
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I would start with Origins of Symmetry or Absolution.
Black Holes and Resistance are my favorites, though.
Haven't listened to Showbiz, although I have the CD...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oTt8Noi5Rk
Inspired by Maiden?
[Apparently this clip is from an official Maiden DVD, so I'm deleting the link]
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oTt8Noi5Rk
Inspired by Maiden?
[Apparently this clip is from an official Maiden DVD, so I'm deleting the link]
Yeah okay, I watched it again and definitely noticed it this time. :p
The first time through I thought I was supposed to look for the audio tape malfunctioning and Muse being caught lip-syncing or something. :P
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lol... just watched it again and realized that Dom is playing a left-handed bass. Clearly they were prepared for this... (why else would they just happen to have a left-handed bass lying around?)
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lol... just watched it again and realized that Dom is playing a left-handed bass. Clearly they were prepared for this... (why else would they just happen to have a left-handed bass lying around?)
True...lol
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I can't get over hilarious their performance on that Italian TV show was. Watching Bellamy on the drums is a stitch! :lol :lol :lol
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They've done it before too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3UW2kqJ9R4
:tup
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Okay, this may be a little weird, but Undisclosed Desires is my favorite Muse song now. The vocal melodies are God-sent, and the song has a very creative approach. I can't get over it. I have no idea what it is, but I've repeated that song over and over and it's not getting boring despite being comprised of two repeating parts...
No, like seriously, that song is: :hefdaddy
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Yeah it's definitely a great song. :tup
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Not sure if this is the right place to put it but I just saw Muse open up for U2 last night...wow, those dudes know how to rock and their bassist is a fuckin monster!!!! :2metal:
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Not sure if this is the right place to put it but I just saw Muse open up for U2 last night...wow, those dudes know how to rock and their bassist is a fuckin monster!!!! :2metal:
I'm so jealous. I'm seeing U2 at the end of October and the Black Eyed Peas are opeining for them . :angry:
I'm loving the Resistance more and more with each listen. I think it is going to be my second favourite Muse album...#1 being Absolution. :metal
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Undisclosed Desires is the only song I don't like at this point... the singing just sounds... robotic, for some reason. Don't like it.
Resistance is AMAZING and Eurasia is so epic. Unnatural Selection is just rockin' and the Symphony is pretty great as well.
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So I really like the album except for Unnatural Selection and the first two parts of Exogenesis.
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So I really like the album except for Unnatural Selection and the first two parts of Exogenesis.
But Unnatural Selection is the only 'traditional' muse song :-\
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So I really like the album except for Unnatural Selection and the first two parts of Exogenesis.
Does not compute.
So I really like the album except for Unnatural Selection and the first two parts of Exogenesis.
But Unnatural Selection is the only 'traditional' muse song :-\
Eh? Even if by "traditional" you mean it sounds like it'd be on Showbiz or OoS, then still Resistance, MK Ultra and Exogenesis fit the bill too (the only thing new about Exogenesis is the orchestration, other than that it's very Muse style).
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There's no reason Unnatural Selection should be almost 7 minutes long. It's just too damn long for what it is.
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Well, after many listens of this, my verdict is around a 7/10 album, which puts it down in the Showbiz area. To me it just lacks a lot of great tracks like the three before it had. It has some boring stuff, a really good song or three, and the rest is alright. Undisclosed Desires might actually be my favorite from the album.
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There's no reason Unnatural Selection should be almost 7 minutes long. It's just too damn long for what it is.
No way, I know some people don't like the middle section, but I think it's great! Not one of my favourites on the album, but still a very good song.
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Well, after many listens of this, my verdict is around a 7/10 album, which puts it down in the Showbiz area. To me it just lacks a lot of great tracks like the two before the previous release had. It has some boring stuff, a really good song or three, and the rest is alright. Undisclosed Desires might actually be my favorite from the album.
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I think I will definitely end up ranking this as their 4th best (with Showbiz a distant 5th), but I still like this album a great deal, and it will definitely rank high for me for 2009. Ultimately, this is probably about a 4-star album, while the three before it were all 4 1/2 stars.
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I think I will definitely end up ranking this as their 4th best (with Showbiz a distant 5th), but I still like this album a great deal, and it will definitely rank high for me for 2009. Ultimately, this is probably about a 4-star album, while the three before it were all 4 1/2 stars.
BH&R is a 2 star album for me, but the two before are definitely 4.5 :tup
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BH&R is a 2 star album for me
I will never understand how some Muse fans don't love that record. Some of their best songs ever are on there, and even the least best songs are damn good. To me, the only slightly weak songs from those three records (OoS, Abs and BH&R) are "Sing for Absolution" and "The Small Print."
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I just bought the album today, so I'll be able to give my thoughts later on
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Undisclosed Desires is the only song I don't like at this point... the singing just sounds... robotic, for some reason. Don't like it.
:omg: >:( :tdwn
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Listening to the exogenesis symphony for the first time on spotify now. I usually don't find myself too fond of bellamy's rachmaninoff attempts but we shall see.
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Don't expect an actual symphony, obviously. I think some people were disappointed because they were expecting more. It's essentially a great Muse song/suite but with a stronger symphonic element and orchestral backing. I'd say it's probably the most OoS-like thing they've done for a while.
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https://revivl.com/news/artist-news/glenn-beck-praises-new-muse-album-muse-ask-for-retraction/
:lol
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:rollin:
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:lol AWESOME.
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To be fair, even taking into account what a bafflingly mental weirdo Glenn Beck is, he does come across pretty well in that clip. He's got a sense of humour about himself, he's happy to positively appraise lyrics written from another perspective, and he's obviously a bit of a music fan. It's the first time I've seen him in a positive light in any sense - he usually seems like he's entirely tapped and close-minded beyond the point of reason, but it's nice to see a slightly saner side.
That said the bit at the end is actually amazing.
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Just posting to say that I Belong To You is beautiful.
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Just posting to say its kinda weird how probably the most non-Muse song on the album, Undisclosed Desires, is my favorite from the album while I don't like it as a whole.
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Undisclosed Desires *is* pretty awesome.
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I do love the album, but I do agree that Undisclosed Desires is still one of the best songs on it :)
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https://revivl.com/news/artist-news/glenn-beck-praises-new-muse-album-muse-ask-for-retraction/
:lol
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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I just posted my review.
And yes, Undisclosed Desires rules supreme.
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I just posted my review.
I don't want to clutter up your review thread with discussion over it, so I will just say here that Muse is not alt rock at all. In fact, even though they often have progressive vibes in their music, I would hesitate to call them prog rock, either. I know it is general, but calling them hard rock is probably most accurate.
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Not to derail THIS thread, but what the fuck does "alternative rock" even mean?
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I just posted my review.
I don't want to clutter up your review thread with discussion over it, so I will just say here that Muse is not alt rock at all. In fact, even though they often have progressive vibes in their music, I would hesitate to call them prog rock, either. I know it is general, but calling them hard rock is probably most accurate.
Weird. I figured there might be some dispute over the prog aspect, which I really only added because of the Exogenesis Symphony. But, I've always considered Muse to be alt rock. Especially considering their likeness to Radiohead...
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I'm loving the album :heart
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Weird. I figured there might be some dispute over the prog aspect, which I really only added because of the Exogenesis Symphony. But, I've always considered Muse to be alt rock. Especially considering their likeness to Radiohead...
They haven't been like Radiohead at all since their first album, but people still cling to the opinion that Muse sounds like them, quite obviously because of Matt Bellamy singing in a similar type of falsetto to that of Thom Yorke.
And I wouldn't call Radiohead alt rock, either.
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Oh well.
I ain't changing it.
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Weird. I figured there might be some dispute over the prog aspect, which I really only added because of the Exogenesis Symphony. But, I've always considered Muse to be alt rock. Especially considering their likeness to Radiohead...
They haven't been like Radiohead at all since their first album, but people still cling to the opinion that Muse sounds like them, quite obviously because of Matt Bellamy singing in a similar type of falsetto to that of Thom Yorke.
And I wouldn't call Radiohead alt rock, either.
This.
It is unfair to the skill of both groups to compare them to each other. Needless to say though, they both rock in their own unique way.
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Weird. I figured there might be some dispute over the prog aspect, which I really only added because of the Exogenesis Symphony. But, I've always considered Muse to be alt rock. Especially considering their likeness to Radiohead...
They haven't been like Radiohead at all since their first album, but people still cling to the opinion that Muse sounds like them, quite obviously because of Matt Bellamy singing in a similar type of falsetto to that of Thom Yorke.
And I wouldn't call Radiohead alt rock, either.
Definitely. And oddly enough, The Resistance is the Muse album with the least amount of falsettos yet.
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Weird. I figured there might be some dispute over the prog aspect, which I really only added because of the Exogenesis Symphony. But, I've always considered Muse to be alt rock. Especially considering their likeness to Radiohead...
They haven't been like Radiohead at all since their first album, but people still cling to the opinion that Muse sounds like them, quite obviously because of Matt Bellamy singing in a similar type of falsetto to that of Thom Yorke.
And I wouldn't call Radiohead alt rock, either.
This.
It is unfair to the skill of both groups to compare them to each other. Needless to say though, they both rock in their own unique way.
Listen Nic. You're the one who always commented on the fact that sound like Radiohead, which I never agreed with. Don't go pinning this on me.
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Weird. I figured there might be some dispute over the prog aspect, which I really only added because of the Exogenesis Symphony. But, I've always considered Muse to be alt rock. Especially considering their likeness to Radiohead...
They haven't been like Radiohead at all since their first album, but people still cling to the opinion that Muse sounds like them, quite obviously because of Matt Bellamy singing in a similar type of falsetto to that of Thom Yorke.
And I wouldn't call Radiohead alt rock, either.
This.
It is unfair to the skill of both groups to compare them to each other. Needless to say though, they both rock in their own unique way.
Listen Nic. You're the one who always commented on the fact that sound like Radiohead, which I never agreed with. Don't go pinning this on me.
I never claimed that they sound like them. I said they had certain similiarities, but never that they sounded alike. And I'm not pinning at all, I was just expressing my opinion in relation to yours without any intention of insult.
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Even though its not my opinion. I dislike Radiohead. I like Muse. There must be some difference there in order for me to prefer one over the other.
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The Resistance is really good. I'm digging it. BH&R and Absolution are better though.
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New video:
https://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=100379364
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That's a damn odd video. Not sure what to make of it!
I like the er... bass... rotatey... thing.
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The bass wheel was pretty cool. Everything else kind of made me laugh. Especially the chick.
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The bass wheel was pretty cool. Everything else kind of made me laugh. Especially the chick.
A strange video for an amazing song.
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The bass wheel was pretty cool. Everything else kind of made me laugh. Especially the chick.
A strange video for an amazing song.
Indeed.
Chris is getting a bit porky, too.
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Thread revival time!
I've been listening to Micro Cuts, and I realised I LOVE the weird vocals, but my roomate expressed a dislike for their unique nature. What do you guys think?
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Micro Cuts is an amazing song and your roommate should get some new ears.
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Micro Cuts is an amazing song and your roommate should get some new ears.
THANK YOU!
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New video:
https://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=100379364
What the Jenkins?!
That video is really, really bizarre.
Love the song, though....
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My second least favourite song on TR, guiding light being the only worse song.
that bass in the chorus really gets on my nerves.
Bizarre video though :)
also, does he want to just end up with a single drum in a couple of albums time or something? Small kits look so stupid.
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So do massive ones. In fact, massive ones probably look MORE ridiculous.
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I just listened to this album for the first time.
The symphony was stunning (though, just out of curiosity, can you technically call it a symphony if it features piano? None of the symphonies I've heard have a piano in them). The rest...
Also, it has threatened to irk me in the past that so many of their "classical influences" are more or less lifting themes and sections straight out of the original pieces, but United States of Eurasia really pushes it. It's like they got to the end and went, "let's throw some classical on there", with no attempt to actually embed it into the piece at all.
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They did that twice, once was the Chopin at the end of United States, and also the Saint-Saens in the middle of I Belong To You. Both were credited fairly enough so I don't see any problem with it. Whereas in the past they've written segments that sound pretty much identical to composers like Rachmaninov but not credited those composers.
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I think they work wonderfully both times.
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My second least favourite song on TR, guiding light being the only worse song.
that bass in the chorus really gets on my nerves.
Bizarre video though :)
also, does he want to just end up with a single drum in a couple of albums time or something? Small kits look so stupid.
It's funny how much can opinions differ for example I think that song and that chorus specifically and actually even the bass there is one of the best moments on album :lol
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I think the biggest problem with this CD is the middle of it. The first four and last four songs are all good, but the middle three are rather meh. "Guiding Light" and "MK Ultra" are both pretty forgettable, and "Unnatural Selection" should have stayed an ass-kicking rocker from start to finish, instead of slowing it down for the bulk of the second half. They were obviously going for a "Citizen Erased"-type thing there, but it didn't work nearly as well. As great as the first few minutes is, when it slows down, I sometimes get so bored with the slower parts that I just skip to something else. And I love slower music when done well, but they missed the mark there, I think.
Regardless, they are coming here in November, and tickets go on sale Friday, so I am a happy boy. :biggrin:
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Hope that they play the piano version of Cave when you see them. It was goooooood :hefdaddy
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This CD still feels really crap compared to previous Muse but a couple songs have grown now... Uprising is alright, Resistance is awesome, Undisclosed desires is pretty good and the beginning of I belong to you looks like it's going someplace awesome then totally falls apart. Still think the rest is awful though, including the symphony. But I've been having a real old-muse resurgence lately listening to citizen erased nonstop so I'm still feeling a LOT of love for the band, just hope they go back on track!
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I still love the album, the only song I'm not a fan of is Guiding Light (and it is really quite bad, wtf were they thinking). The rest is still great though!
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I didn't like the album as a whole that much, but some of the songs like Undisclosed Desires and Resistance are pretty cool on their own.
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I still love the album, the only song I'm not a fan of is Guiding Light (and it is really quite bad, wtf were they thinking). The rest is still great though!
My biggest problem with that song is that they decide to play it live. No one was into it during the Atlanta show, thank God.
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"Guiding Light" sounds like a clear attempt to write another rocking ballad, ala "Invincible," but it felt way short. It isn't a bad song, but it is just kind of there.
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I thought that guiding light was awesome live, boston seemed to like it
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"Guiding Light" sounds like a clear attempt to write another rocking ballad, ala "Invincible," but it felt way short. It isn't a bad song, but it is just kind of there.
Yeah I'm not a big fan of Invincible either, easily my least favourite on Black Holes. Not as bad as Guiding Light though :lol
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Yeah, guiding light is a pretty terrible track. Thankfully the album recovers very quickly with the remaining tracks.
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Dates
Apr 20 2010 Mexico City
May 27 2010 Lisbon (Rock in Rio)
Jun 2 2010 Bern
Jun 5 2010 Nurburg
Jun 6 2010 Nuremberg
Jun 8 2010 Milan
Jun 11 2010 Paris
Jun 12 2010 Paris
Jun 16 2010 Madrid
Jun 19 2010 Nijmegen
Jun 26 2010 Pilton (Glastonbury Festival: Pyramid Stage)
Jun 29 2010 Arendal (Hove Festival)
Jul 1 2010 Werchter
Jul 3 2010 Roskilde (Roskilde Festival)
Jul 9 2010 Balado T In The Park (headliners on main stage)
Jul 10 2010 Punchestown Oxegen (main stage headliners)
Jul 15 2010 Carhaix
Jul 19 2010 Helsinki
Jul 21 2010 Stockholm
Jul 23 2010 Bergen
Jul 30 2010 Niigata (Fuji Rock Festival)
Aug 1 2010 Icheon City, Korea (Jisan Valley Rock Festival)
Aug 15 2010 Budapest (Sziget Festival)
Aug 19 2010 St Poelten (Frequency Festival)
Aug 21 2010 Krakow (Coke Live Festival)
Sep 4 2010 Manchester
Sep 10 2010 London
Sep 11 2010 London
Sep 22 2010 San Diego
Sep 23 2010 Anaheim
Sep 25 2010 Los Angeles, California
Oct 1 2010 Rio Rancho, New Mexico
Oct 2 2010 Denver, Colorado **tickets from postponed Denver date valid for this show, see date for details**
Oct 5 2010 Minneapolis
Oct 6 2010 Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Oct 8 2010 Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
Oct 21 2010 Quebec City
Oct 27 2010 Charlottesville, Virginia
Nov 2 2010 Kansas City, Missouri
Nov 3 2010 St. Louis, Missouri
Nov 5 2010 Columbus, Ohio
Nov 6 2010 Cincinnati, Ohio
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Raleigh, NC. RBC Center. October 26.
TOX will see you there.
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Hmm, probably see what things look like later in October and decide if I'd like to grab tickets for New Jersey. Would only do it if I could find a good deal on Ebay for some tickets.
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What... Guiding Light is an awesome song...
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Raleigh, NC. RBC Center. October 26.
TOX will see you there.
Not sure I'll be going to this...maybe if they change the set list significantly (like, Citizen Erased and all of Exogenesis) and I know a few more people going. And if I have money. They do put on a hell of a show though.
EDIT: and if I wouldn't have to drive 4.5 hours on a Tuesday. Have fun!
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I like Guiding Light for what it is. An admittedly over the top cheese-fest ballad.
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That it is. I don't hate it, but eh.
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I'm tired of listening to Muse's albums, but The Resistance still is pretty cool to listen to. It all sounds a bit more polished and accessible, and while that was at first my criticism, it actually works in their case. They're not rocking as hard as they once did, but it's all so undeniably good.
I love Uprising, The Resistance (one of the best Muse songs ever), Undisclosed Desires, United States, MK Ultra, Unnatural Selection.. well pretty much everything except for Guiding Light. Bleh, why Muse? Why did you guys do that? Matt's vocal delivery is truly making me sick in my belly.
p.s. Undisclosed Desires just starting playing on the radio while I was typing this :biggrin:
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I really don't like Undisclosed Desires much. That and Guiding Light I could do without even though I don't hate them.
The rest of the album I am happy with, especially United States of Eurasia (fucking awesome, probably my favorite), MK Ultra, I Belong to You (a lot of fun), and Exogenesis.
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I really don't like Undisclosed Desires much.
It's one of my favourites off the album :P
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I really don't like Undisclosed Desires much.
It's one of my favourites off the album :P
Mine too, its Muse going uber-pop but doing it right. Undisclosed Desires, Resistance, Uprising, and I Belong to You are still my favorites from the album, though Exogenesis can be fun too sometimes.
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new single "Neutron Star Collision (Love Is Forever)"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU4eRnQ_-TQ
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I've only listened once thus far, but it sounds a bit of a mish-mash of previous songs. The verses are very Knights of Cydonia, the choruses are very Resistance, there's a USE vibe in the intro, and the outro's got a Butterflies and Hurricanes kinda thing going on.
I really don't like Undisclosed Desires much. That and Guiding Light I could do without even though I don't hate them.
The rest of the album I am happy with, especially United States of Eurasia (fucking awesome, probably my favorite), MK Ultra, I Belong to You (a lot of fun), and Exogenesis.
I don't think USE gets enough love. If you check out the Muse message boards (and I try not to!), everyone moans about how it sounds like a massive rip-off of Queen.
Er, for two seconds? Teeny bit toward the end, too? Christ, here comes the apocalypse.
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I don't think USE gets enough love. If you check out the Muse message boards (and I try not to!), everyone moans about how it sounds like a massive rip-off of Queen.
Er, for two seconds? Teeny bit toward the end, too? Christ, here comes the apocalypse.
It's more than just two seconds. All of the vocal melodies sound very Queen-ish, the guitar lead when it explodes into the chorus is very "We Are the Champions," the "there can be only one" line is right out of Highlander, and the piano outro is very A Day at the Races era. All in all, it totally sounds like a song Queen would have done; I think that is rather obvious. Regardless, I still like it quite a bit. :)
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So lately everytime I sing a song by Muse everyone's like "oh that's that band from twilight!" Kinda sucks that such a great band is associated with such a shitty movie. And I've really grown tired of Uprising since I hear it basically everywhere I go. I feel like such an indie jackass, I like the band less now that pretty much everyone else at school likes them. It's weird because I'm one of those people that never likes a band less because they hit it big but for some reason it's different with Muse.
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Yeah, I find it weird how often I'm hearing Uprising nowadays, it was in the trailer for that Tom Cruise/Cameron Diaz movie, I heard it in a jewelry shop when shopping for mother's day, and I've heard "Resistance" on the TV a few times. Doesn't hinder my enjoyment of Absolution or Origin though, and I know that real Muse fans love those albums too and not just the songs in Twilight.
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I don't give two craps who does or doesn't listen to Muse. It's all about the music. :hat
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Yeah, but if you talked to someone who said they were a Muse fan, and how much they loved SBH and "I Belong to You" and they were the only songs on their iPod (maybe Starlight and Plug In Baby too), you'd probably get annoyed too, like meeting a "Zeppelin fan" who only has "Immigrant Song."
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Yeah, but if you talked to someone who said they were a Muse fan, and how much they loved SBH and "I Belong to You" and they were the only songs on their iPod (maybe Starlight and Plug In Baby too), you'd probably get annoyed too, like meeting a "Zeppelin fan" who only has "Immigrant Song."
aaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaHH
Come from the land of the ice and snow
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I don't give two craps who does or doesn't listen to Muse. It's all about the music. :hat
:hat
See that's how I usually am with bands but idk why their popularity is affecting my love for Muse. But yeah hearing Uprising everywhere doesn't affect my love of the pre-Resistance stuff :)
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I don't give two craps who does or doesn't listen to Muse. It's all about the music. :hat
This. Grown-up attitudes ftw. :hat
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I even heard 'Uprising' in a dance club. People were bouncing to it, awesomeness garanteed!
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I even heard 'Uprising' in a dance club. People were bouncing to it, awesomeness garanteed!
That's not actually particularly new here. Muse have been pretty stratospherically popular since Absolution in the UK.
That said, I always request Uprising on a night out. Just to be sure. :biggrin:
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I even heard 'Uprising' in a dance club. People were bouncing to it, awesomeness garanteed!
I'm obviously going to the wrong clubs.
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The new single, "Neutron Star Collision (Love Is Forever)," is out. What does everyone think of it? I like it. It isn't knocking my socks off, but I like it.
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It didn't make a big impression first time I listened but I quite like it now I've heard it a couple of times.
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The new single, "Neutron Star Collision (Love Is Forever)," is out. What does everyone think of it? I like it. It isn't knocking my socks off, but I like it.
Its fine. I've only listened to it like twice. Like Rob said, it kinda sounds like a mashup of five other Muse songs.
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Overall, the song is pretty cheesy, but I don't mind a little cheese in my musical diet. :biggrin:
On the downside, the St. Louis and KC concerts in early November just got canceled. That blows. I guess we can expect to be screwed out of the service charge from ticketmaster on our refund, eh?
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These guys are have some real talent
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5LOT9Uo68Y
Matt Bellamy says here that they want to do something more 'down-to-earth and intimate' for the next Muse album.
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I guess I'd be okay with that? Honestly one of the things that made me really like Muse is the "epic" nature of their music, even though "Citizen Erased" is my favorite song and doesn't have much of that feel. Really, as long as the album doesn't suck at this point I think I'll be okay.
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I guess I'd be okay with that? Honestly one of the things that made me really like Muse is the "epic" nature of their music, even though "Citizen Erased" is my favorite song and doesn't have much of that feel. Really, as long as the album doesn't suck at this point I think I'll be okay.
A change of pace seems like what they need. Granted, they're becoming like the most popular band in the world, I really thing there's been a sharp decline over the past three albums.
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Absolution and "sharp decline" should not be included in the same sentence.
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Not necessarily
(https://img819.imageshack.us/img819/1646/muse.png) (https://img819.imageshack.us/i/muse.png/)
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I can't endorse any chart that puts Showbiz higher than Black Holes and Revelations. That is just madness.
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I really like this album, though I'm still a Muse newb.
Btw, at my job they play a bunch of crap on the radio, old and new songs, a mix of like 20 different genres. They play Undisclosed Desires on it. I heard it at home and thought "I've heard this before..." and went to work and heard it there. Awesome.
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Not necessarily
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Ew no. My ranking is more like this:
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Yeah, this album hasn't grown on me at all. Barring maybe three songs, it's just terrible. :sadpanda:
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Barring three songs, you're just terrible.
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I know :millahhhh
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Rich you should just accept that this is a terrible, terrible, terribly awful, terrible album.
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It's good in my book.
'Course, it's criminal for Muse to put out an album that's anything less than great, but nine good Muse songs is still a nice thing to listen to. Just wish it had a little more spirit.
The new single, "Neutron Star Collision (Love Is Forever)," is out. What does everyone think of it? I like it. It isn't knocking my socks off, but I like it.
The lyrics are awful but the music is fun enough. The verses do sound a lot like Knights of Cydonia, though. And the vocal melodies sound a lot like Resistance. Great to blast loud, though.
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Muse's lyrics are always awful. :lol I don't think anyone listens to them for the lyrics.
Although going more personal for the next album would be interesting, as it's something they've not done much.
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Muse's lyrics are always awful. :lol I don't think anyone listens to them for the lyrics.
Although going more personal for the next album would be interesting, as it's something they've not done much.
I wouldn't go that far. There was a time when they were at least not noticeably bad.
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Muse's lyrics are always awful. :lol I don't think anyone listens to them for the lyrics.
Although going more personal for the next album would be interesting, as it's something they've not done much.
It's because Matt's personal life is really boring
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He was banging Kate Hudson last I heard, so it can't be that boring. :p
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Kate Hudson is really annoying.
Then again so is Matt Bellamy nowadays so...
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Looks like they plan to be in studio soon
https://www.gigwise.com/news/65755/Muse-To-Begin-Recording-New-Album-In-September (https://www.gigwise.com/news/65755/Muse-To-Begin-Recording-New-Album-In-September)
The Resistance was kind of disappointing so it will be interesting where they go now.
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Yeah! I wasn't so struck on The Resistance. I think, after Black Holes broke so much new ground, it was always going to be a little disappointing.
I'm glad we have it, though. Uprising's great, Undisclosed Desires is great, United States is great... actually, everything with a U. I Belong To You is pretty kickin', too. That's the closest they came to writing something completely new and unexpected.
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I definitely prefer The Resistance to Black Holes, so I am excite! :caffeine:
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Not sure if want new Muse after my disappointment in the Resistance.
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Not sure if want new Muse after my disappointment in the Resistance.
Liar!!
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Resistance was a good album. It gets too much shit. Hoping the next is better though.
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i heard something that their next album was "part 2" of their careers which could suggest a completely different approach in style and writing.
personally i'd be so happy for a mix of showbiz and absolution. the resistance was just ... meh
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I don't think BH&R and Reshitstance really compare to earlier stuff; although I don't mind Black Holes and Revelations.
Here's hoping they go back to the Showbiz style (although I highly doubt it, imagine all of the little girls they'd piss off) for their latest.
And I'd vote for The Resistance as the number one worst Muse album track of all time. I do believe I've said this before, though.
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I don't think BH&R and Reshitstance really compare to earlier stuff; although I don't mind Black Holes and Revelations.
Here's hoping they go back to the Showbiz style (although I highly doubt it, imagine all of the little girls they'd piss off) for their latest.
And I'd vote for The Resistance as the number one worst Muse album track of all time. I do believe I've said this before, though.
Crazy person.
Most of the songs on The Resistance are worse than the title track. Outside of I Belong to You, and Undisclosed Desires, the rest of the album is pretty bad.
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Personally, I still find some enjoyment out of MK Ultra, but I can't from the Resistance.
I Belong to You is great, as is Uprising, United States of Eurasia and Unnatural Selection.
Undisclosed Desires, Guiding Light & the Exogenesis stuff is OK.
MK Ultra is getting into bad territory.
Then there's Resistance.
Thats just an opinion though.
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Undisclosed Desires, MK Ultra, and The Resistance are the only tracks I find myself returning to on the last record.
There's not enough love for BHAR here imho, easily my second favorite album of their's.
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Resistance is a gorgeous song. The only song off TR that I don't like is Guiding Light, the rest all range from good to amazing.
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I actually think its one of Muse's strongest albums. For me there are no weak spots, its has a cool 1984 lyrical theme throughout (very relevant to todays society) and musically...its insane.
Maybe production wise it could have been more dynamic but I love it....you even get a little shredding in Guiding Light lol !
Matt Bellamy is certainly a more accomplished pianist then a guitarist in my books but he still rocks !!!
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The first three songs on the Resistance are the best ones, and the symphony is cool to listen to sometimes. MK Ultra is all right, all the others don't impress me.
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Exogenesis is god tier. Worth the price of the album.
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Even though it wasn't nearly as good as the previous three albums, The Resistance was still very good. It could have been great had the middle of the album been better. Guiding Light and MK Ultra are both forgettable, and Unnatural Selection was an errant attempt at writing another Citizen Erased-type song. Had they left it an all-out rocker, it could have been really good, as the first few minutes are great, but once it slows down, it just isn't interesting anymore.
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Undisclosed Desires, MK Ultra, and The Resistance are the only tracks I find myself returning to on the last record.
There's not enough love for BHAR here imho, easily my second favorite album of their's.
Oh Black Holes is my favourite Muse album. Outside of Hoodoo, the album is damn near perfect.
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Guiding Light is boring. Very.
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Well, if this discussion has uncovered one thing about The Resistance, its that its devisive.
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Is the first track of Exogenesis tongue in cheek or do they really have a 4 minute overture to a 13 minute suite?
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The first five seconds of MK Ultra makes me throw up in my mouth.
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I liked The Resistance. Though I haven't heard the other albums to compare it to *ducks*
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Definitely not as good as the three albums before it but The Resistance is still great.
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Is the first track of Exogenesis tongue in cheek or do they really have a 4 minute overture to a 13 minute suite?
It's not an overture. ???
EDIT: Just realised that its sub-title is "Overture". But that's probably just because Bellamy didn't know what else to call it. In musical terms, it isn't an overture at all, because it's clearly a full song/movement within itself and doesn't have any themes from the later songs/movements.
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Exogenesis should have been left as one track.
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I've listened to Black Holes and Revelations several times over the past few days. I've always liked Muse, but I think they're really starting to "click" now. Is Absolution the next album I should listen to?
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I think the consensus is that Absolution is their best; I think either that or Origins would be fine as number two. I'm a big big fan of Showbiz, but its very unique compared to their other stuff (its a bit more raw and emotional).
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Alright, cool. I'll pick up Absolution soon.
Another thing - I always wondered why they didn't end Black Holes with Knights of Cydonia. It seemed like it would make such a good closer. I thought it would have been smarter to make "Glorious" track 11 and bump Knights down to track 12. But I just now realized that Glorious is an iTunes bonus track. I really like it, so I'm not going to delete it. I'm just gonna change the order around so that Knights is the closing song. :D
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and its one of the great closers IMO.
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They really don't have a consensus best, but as long as you get Origin of Symmetry (their highest-rated studio album at RYM), Absolution and Black Holes and Revelations, you are set. And I mean a general "you" here. ;)
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I.... I still like The Resistance :(
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They really don't have a consensus best, but as long as you get Origin of Symmetry (their highest-rated studio album at RYM), Absolution and Black Holes and Revelations, you are set. And I mean a general "you" here. ;)
I already decided that I like Black Holes so much that I want all 5 albums. I'm just not going to get them all at once, which is why I asked which one I should get next.
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Absolution is their best IMO, and Origin of Symmetry is the other must-have. All their albums are at least very good though, so get the lot!
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Alright, cool. I'll pick up Absolution soon.
Another thing - I always wondered why they didn't end Black Holes with Knights of Cydonia. It seemed like it would make such a good closer. I thought it would have been smarter to make "Glorious" track 11 and bump Knights down to track 12. But I just now realized that Glorious is an iTunes bonus track. I really like it, so I'm not going to delete it. I'm just gonna change the order around so that Knights is the closing song. :D
lolgadough
Glorious is a great song. Never tried putting it into the context of the album before though.
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I.... I still like The Resistance :(
Same! It's a good album. Very few flirts with greatness, which makes it a little drab by Muse standards, but dull title track aside, they're all nice songs that I'm grateful for the existence of.
Glad you're digging BH&R, Gadough! I put Glorious as track 11 too. It's what all the cool kids do. :hat Yes, Absolution is next. Absolution is the band's Images & Words (diverse, accessible, broadly loved) and then Origin of Symmetry before it is the band's Awake (dense, melancholy, consistent, fan favourite). Black Holes is more of a Six Degrees - very experimental, more bombastic than what came before, broadly popular with a few less convinced.
The Resistance is the no-consensus Octavarium, and Showbiz (not tip-top but vindicated by time) is the discography's Falling Into Infinity. To put them into familiar-ish contexts. q:
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Alright, cool. I'll pick up Absolution soon.
Another thing - I always wondered why they didn't end Black Holes with Knights of Cydonia. It seemed like it would make such a good closer. I thought it would have been smarter to make "Glorious" track 11 and bump Knights down to track 12. But I just now realized that Glorious is an iTunes bonus track. I really like it, so I'm not going to delete it. I'm just gonna change the order around so that Knights is the closing song. :D
lolgadough
Glorious is a great song. Never tried putting it into the context of the album before though.
I'm just saying that Knights of Cydonia is such a triumphant ending to the album, and then Glorious comes on, and I'm like "oh...another song? Alright."
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That's because Glorious isn't part of the album you nub.
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Yeah, I know that. But iTunes doesn't distinguish it as a bonus track, so this whole time I thought it was a part of the album until I looked it up.
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Glorious isn't part of the album? But it's so good.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqFZGnfMLMw&feature=share
Have to admit I am a bit of a Muse fan and I know they are a band that seem to like switching their sound up...but dubstep isn't something I pictured them doing?
Cool trailer though.
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Interesting, I'm curious to hear it.
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Sounds quite interesting. Definitely looking forward to it.
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Wow bandwagon jumping much? Both content and music.
Still maintain Showbiz was their best.
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Aha!
THIS is the existential horror I felt when I first heard Supermassive Black Hole!!
A minute thirty of genuinely brilliant music, followed by forty seconds of ass-huffage. Great to see Muse mixing it up again. When they released Supermassive, it sounded like a Britney Spears track. I hated every inch of it. All sultry and sleazy with processed drums and tinny riffs. And then, after hearing it on the radio for the third time or so, I started to fall in love with the "glaciers melting" bit. Bit by bit, I grew to love it, and now one of my favourite Muse songs off my favourite Muse album.
Right now, I really can't see that happening with this one. But then, I couldn't see it happening with SMBH either. Let's see how it goes. Either way, it's not gonna be the blandstorm that The Resistance was. Perfectly workable album, but good-not-great throughout.
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The whole dubstep trend is getting a bit ridiculous by now. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy dubstep (if done well), but right now so many are jumping on that wagon.
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I'll check it out... but I am a bit curious.
Also... do they really have to start hyping an album so far away from the release date?
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Love the concept, not sure how I feel about that bit of music.
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I'll check it out... but I am a bit curious.
Also... do they really have to start hyping an album so far away from the release date?
It's three months away and they've only just announced the title. That's pretty much the standard promotion period.
Unless the ETA's changed?
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Oh my...it's Muse playing with fire once again. Let's see if it results in them being incredibly successful once again or this one proves to be a failure.
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Not sure if that dubstep bit at the end is actual music from the album. I'm concerned if it is. No matter what, I just hope its better than the Resistance.
Wow bandwagon jumping much? Both content and music.
Still maintain Showbiz was their best.
Well as for the video content, Muse have always been into that kind of stuff. That's nothing new.
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:eek I hope the rest of the album doesn't sound like this. I know its a trailer but I got a bad feeling
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Not exactly what I was expecting based on some of the band's comments about the new album. Still, it sounds interesting, and of course it's only a trailer - it's not as though the whole album is dubstep. Or, at least, I sincerely hope not.
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Wow, I just got into Muse a couple of months ago, and they're already putting out a dubstep album. However, I have no idea what dubstep is, so can I really be concerned about that? :lol It sounds different, it doesn't rock out that much, but then again, neither did The Resistance. We'll see how the album works, I'm glad I fell in love with this band so I can be excited for their new album for the first time. :smiley:
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Not sure if that dubstep bit at the end is actual music from the album. I'm concerned if it is. No matter what, I just hope its better than the Resistance.
Believe it's all from a song called Entropy.
Also gonna hazard a guess that Entropy's track one on the new album. Because listen to it!
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Never been a Muse fan.
Muse doing dubstep = Even less interested.
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:eek I hope the rest of the album doesn't sound like this. I know its a trailer but I got a bad feeling
This has happened before with Muse. Twice.
Both Black Holes and Resistance were incredibly expected albums, and before their respective releases people were like "OMG MUSE SOLD OUT"
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Enough with the dubstep, people. It was fine in moderation, but really...enough.
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Also, after digesting this trailer, I mean...Muse has ALWAYS done this kind of sound. Every time they finish a damned song live, they riff and Matt does this strange thingeys with his Kaoss Pad plugged in to his guitar :lol I think people are taking it way too seriously.
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Never been a Muse fan.
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OMG, Muse doing dupstep :facepalm:
I hope they will do some interesting music this time.
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Never been a Muse fan.
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hate matt's voice and the music doesn't do anything for me like some people.
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That sounded frickin' awesome. Clearly they won't be doing a full album of it (come on, even in that teaser trailer it was only the last 20 seconds that was dubstep) but the epic buildup leading into that solid dubstep was really nicely done. I was actually getting a bit unfussed about Muse in the last year or so but this has got me really excited again!
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Hm. Not opposed to the idea of dubstep elements. Problem is, it's uninspired dubstep in the clip.
Well, nevertheless I'll be checking it out.
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(come on, even in that teaser trailer it was only the last 20 seconds that was dubstep)
In fairness, it did sort of feel to me like that was when the song was meant to really 'kick in'. I wouldn't be at all surprised if that particular song is pretty heavy on the dubstep.
But I agree with you that the whole album won't be like that.
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Oh yeah I imagine the song will mostly stick with that style (assuming of course that it's on the album), just that I don't think the whole album will be like that.
Then again, the band have said that this album is a fairly big change for them, and that there is more electronic influence, so who knows.
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Rich is like the Muse hipster. Whatever popular opinion is about something they've done recently, he takes the opposite side. :lol
But I agree that it's unlikely there is too much of the end of that promo on the album.
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Rich is like the Muse hipster. Whatever popular opinion is about something they've done recently, he takes the opposite side. :lol
In DTF terms, it does seem that way sometimes. :lol But Muse are bigger and more popular than ever so I'm not sure there's anything "hipster" about me liking their stuff. :P
Besides, I enjoy a bit of dubstep, and my mate and I were just talking about how much we like this teaser because it sounds like a cross between Muse and Pendulum. I like electronic music and so I'm very excited to hear what Muse can do when bringing that influence in. I absolutely adore Undisclosed Desires, which I guess had a bit of that on a more mellow level.
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The stuff before the dubstep bit sounded awesome, the dubstep bit not so much.
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I liked the stuff before the brostep thing (that's not real dubstep btw), and I liked the brostep part a bit less, but still liked it. I will buy the album.
One thing though... If Matt isn't doing that shit on guitar, I won't like it as much. I don't want a good band like Muse resorting to programming every single second of their songs. They already sound a bit too synthetic for my tastes.
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Whenever Muse goes dancy, dubstep or whatever, it is almost always good, so I say bring it on. The music in that trailer was a bit out there, but I am confident that this album will be a good one. Even thought The Resistance was slightly disappointing, it was still a good, solid record.
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The whole dubstep trend is getting a bit ridiculous by now. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy dubstep (if done well), but right now so many are jumping on that wagon.
Off topic a little bit but check out some blackmill for seriously great dubstep.
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Whenever Muse goes dancy, dubstep or whatever, it is almost always good, so I say bring it on. The music in that trailer was a bit out there, but I am confident that this album will be a good one. Even thought The Resistance was slightly disappointing, it was still a good, solid record.
I'd go as far as to say my only problem with The Resistance is that it's a bit vanilla. All the songs on it are fine at worst, great at best. But for a band as exciting as Muse, that's a cardinal sin.
Still not a massive fan of the last thirty seconds of the teaser, but it's already growing on me a little, god help me. And the orchestral bit is fun on a bun through and through. Either way, I've missed being shocked. Absolutely cherishing it. I'm repulsed, but not in the least bit sceptical. Album's going to be ace. And in two years' time I'm going to sorely miss this brand of bafflement.
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As some others have said, that was quite interesting. Like them, I will reserve judgement for now and eagerly anticipate hearing the rest of the song and album.
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Muse can dubstep all they want, I just want something better than The Resistance. Three years later and I still can't get into that one.
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Muse songs I like :
Hysteria. The Uprising.
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I even find Uprising to be bland now. Undisclosed Desires and Resistance are the only songs off that album that I like anymore :P
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trippy.
:corn...but more-so: popcorn smiley for my friend's reaction than popcorn smiley for the hearing the album. even though i'm sure i'll eat it up (the album)(well, the popcorn too).
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The whole dubstep trend is getting a bit ridiculous by now. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy dubstep (if done well), but right now so many are jumping on that wagon.
yup
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The whole dubstep trend is getting a bit ridiculous by now. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy dubstep (if done well), but right now so many are jumping on that wagon.
wub
FTFY
-Marc.
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I even find Uprising to be bland now. Undisclosed Desires and Resistance are the only songs off that album that I like anymore :P
Uprising has always been a bland song for me. Undisclosed Desires, MK Ultra and Unnatural Selection are my personal favorites from The Resistance.
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I liked the stuff before the brostep thing (that's not real dubstep btw), and I liked the brostep part a bit less, but still liked it. I will buy the album.
One thing though... If Matt isn't doing that shit on guitar, I won't like it as much. I don't want a good band like Muse resorting to programming every single second of their songs. They already sound a bit too synthetic for my tastes.
Not sure why you'd have that worry, you can clearly hear the guitar and drums in that "dubstep" section. And all the orchestral parts in the buildup sounded real as well, like on the Resistance.
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I want this album man.
The whole band doing dubstep thing is a bit old now, but I've never heard a band doing that sort of dubstep before (yeah, I hate the term brostep). But the orchestral intro sounds really really good.
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How long do we expect it'll be before we start seeing t-shirts with the robot that says UN-SU-ZZZTAIN-ABLE on?
I reckon we should get ahead of the game and give it its fan nickname right now. My suggestions are "Darren," "The robot that says UN-SU-ZZZTAIN-ABLE," or "Darren, the robot that says UN-SU-ZZZTAIN-ABLE." I am aware that only one of those is particularly catchy, though.
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meh
I'm all for bands trying new things and a more electronic style would really suit Muse, but this particular bit sounded so bland. It's the sort of dubstep that bros put on their Call of Duty videos on Youtube.
It's definitely more impressive since there's actual drums and Matt is doing that sound on his guitar and with the pad most likely but it still doesn't make it sound interesting, it's just your typical brostep only done with instruments.
I'm still getting the album and I still have high hopes for it, that's only a trailer.
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(that's not real dubstep btw)
I think it's too late to convince people otherwise, unfortunately.
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I think it's more that brostep's a distinction that only afficionados particularly care about. Not unique to dubstep - metal's got "djent," most genres have their own subdivisions, all with silly names and their own meanings that are completely lost on the wider music world. But just as I can't abide it when people ask for something "djenty," I'm afraid I just plain don't care what counts as "true" dubstep and what doesn't. Certainly not enough to start using the word "brostep" without a hint of irony.
I'm sure it is properly frustrating, because you can hear the distinction so clearly, and it must seem so obvious from where you're standing, so there's no disdain aimed at any of you personally. I'm wrong and you're right, absolutely. But if my disdain (for the lingo, not its fans) is showing through a little, then... yep, that will happen. You're from a world where it helps to put tags on different subcategories of dubstep to help communicate different ideas to each other and make sure everyone's on the same page. We're all coming from a world where that distinction is entirely unnecessary. Culture clash.
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Just thought of something. Muse is preaching about sustainability in this song, yes? They probably produce so many carbon emissions from flying around the world and putting on their huge stage shows with energy-sucking lights and amps, not to mention all the people using gas to get to their shows. It's a little hypocritical.
On a more musical note, what if that dubstep sound is made with a guitar rather than an electronic program like FL Studio or something? That would certainly increase my opinion of it. Not because dubstep/electronica isn't real music or doesn't require talent (it does) but because it would show Bellamy using the guitar in a Brian May-like way and that's just plain cool.
EDIT: The more I listen to it the more I'm hearing guitar. That's honestly pretty cool.
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I think, judging by the images, they're applying the second law of thermodynamics to the economy, rather than the environment. Message being that all the borrowing, lending, living outside our means was always UN-SU-ZZZTAIN-ABLE. Nothing to do with nature, I don't think.
They've always been more about the politics of corruption, paranoia, etc., than the U2 side of things.
Yes, I'm pretty sure it's mostly guitar - probably with a fair helping of Kaoss pad stuff. I reckon there's a thin layer of synth beneath it, but nothing thicker than what they've been doing since Black Holes & Revelations. More Map of the Problematique than Undisclosed Desires.
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I think, judging by the images, they're applying the second law of thermodynamics to the economy, rather than the environment. Message being that all the borrowing, lending, living outside our means was always UN-SU-ZZZTAIN-ABLE. Nothing to do with nature, I don't think.
They've always been more about the politics of corruption, paranoia, etc., than the U2 side of things.
Yes, I'm pretty sure it's mostly guitar - probably with a fair helping of Kaoss pad stuff. I reckon there's a thin layer of synth beneath it, but nothing thicker than what they've been doing since Black Holes & Revelations. More Map of the Problematique than Undisclosed Desires.
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Fair enough. At the same time, they're contributing greatly to the consumption of energy for reasons I just mentioned, and energy is something they made a big point in that video. :biggrin: I'm not particularly serious in that criticism, just an interesting question to consider given bands like U2 who preach about all this stuff and then do elaborate 360 tours.
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Personally I get the feeling they are jumping on the 'down with hypercapitalism' train; if yourfirst teaser of the album is quite specific in its themes, I dare say thats where the rest of the album will head. I am prone to being wrong 95% of the time, however.
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I might be wrong, but I don't hear any guitar whatsoever. Besides, the angry dubstep computer is definitely saying something (though I can't tell what it is), and it sounds more like a vocoder to me than a guitar with some crazy effects that somehow resemble speech.
EDIT: listening to it more, I think I hear the guitar in the measures between angry dubstep computer vocal lines. I still maintain that the voice is done through a vocoder, though.
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Well the robot voice obviously isn't guitar :lol The actual dubstep music is, I'm pretty sure, made with a guitar + KAOSS pad effects.
Personally I get the feeling they are jumping on the 'down with hypercapitalism' train; if yourfirst teaser of the album is quite specific in its themes, I dare say thats where the rest of the album will head. I am prone to being wrong 95% of the time, however.
Again, this isn't really Muse getting on a train, its getting more vocal about it after riding that train for the last ten years. Matt Bellamy is very big into conspiracy theories, NWO, and such. That I wasn't surprised about at all. :lol
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Yeah Bellamy has always written lyrics along those lines, definitely nothing new.
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Personally I get the feeling they are jumping on the 'down with hypercapitalism' train; if yourfirst teaser of the album is quite specific in its themes, I dare say thats where the rest of the album will head. I am prone to being wrong 95% of the time, however.
"Rise up and take the power back, it's time the fat cats had a heart attack, you know that their time is coming to an end, we have to unify and watch our flag ascend, COME ON!"
"War is overdue, the time has come for you to shoot your leaders down, join forces underground."
The only bit that I disagree with is "jumping on the train" - they've been driving that train for a good six years now.
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Just thought of something. Muse is preaching about sustainability in this song, yes? They probably produce so many carbon emissions from flying around the world and putting on their huge stage shows with energy-sucking lights and amps, not to mention all the people using gas to get to their shows. It's a little hypocritical.
Radiohead once had a big study done on their touring's environmental footprint, as they were quite concerned with it and wanted to reduce it as much as possible. The study revealed that the bolded part was by far the biggest contributor, and, unless they started playing small clubs, or restricting their venues to places with the most brilliant public transport known to man, or banning people who drove from entering the gig or something insane like that, or simply stop touring, was absurdly difficult to reduce. I never heard anything more about it, so I wouldn't be surprised if they tweaked what they could and largely abandoned the idea. Point being, unless a band wanted to turn their own fanbase against them, they can inevitably only do so much about this.
As for the music, don't like it at all. Didn't like the Resistance, only liked half of Black Holes, almost certainly won't be checking this out. I think Muse have just taken their sound to a place that's not for me.
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Interesting post Fluffy! Never knew that.
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Uh huh, but they also use huge trucks (usually more than 4) to carry their gear and lighting equipment and than a big tour bus to travel from city to city. As much as it may be the fans, the bands themselves do a lot to the environment.
Interesting to hear some other sides to it too though. Nothing against what you posted though, I just hate when bands preach about the environment but do more harm to it
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Considering that the vast majority of greenhouse gases and air pollution come from sources other than transportation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Greenhouse_Gas_by_Sector.png), whether or not they drive a big bus is kind of irrelevant.
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Meh, at least I'll have other albums to look forward to.
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Considering that the vast majority of greenhouse gases and air pollution come from sources other than transportation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Greenhouse_Gas_by_Sector.png), whether or not they drive a big bus is kind of irrelevant.
No, but I've been to an REM concert where Michael Stipe told the audience that our cars are hurting this planet and we need to stop driving so much. Don't tell me to stop driving my car to and from a concert and than hop on an airplane or tour bus with an entire fleet of trucks that house your instruments, lights, stage, etc. for 9 months out of the year.
It's kind of like when a celebrity says to stop driving so much, but than employs a fleet of cars to drive them to a premiere. Tom Hanks did it once to drive him to a Conan O'Brien taping. He had a police motorcade and three limos to escort him to the theater to tape the show.
Anyways, back to the music. This should be an interesting album. I am looking more forward to see how die-hard Muse fans react to it.
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I hope they experiment a bit with this one.
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I hope they experiment a bit with this one.
Well you've already gotten your wish if the trailer is any indication :lol
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Considering that the vast majority of greenhouse gases and air pollution come from sources other than transportation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Greenhouse_Gas_by_Sector.png), whether or not they drive a big bus is kind of irrelevant.
No, but I've been to an REM concert where Michael Stipe told the audience that our cars are hurting this planet and we need to stop driving so much. Don't tell me to stop driving my car to and from a concert and than hop on an airplane or tour bus with an entire fleet of trucks that house your instruments, lights, stage, etc. for 9 months out of the year.
It's kind of like when a celebrity says to stop driving so much, but than employs a fleet of cars to drive them to a premiere. Tom Hanks did it once to drive him to a Conan O'Brien taping. He had a police motorcade and three limos to escort him to the theater to tape the show.
Anyways, back to the music. This should be an interesting album. I am looking more forward to see how die-hard Muse fans react to it.
Then they say that we should turn off our TVs at night instead of leaving them on standby :lol :lol
Also - Dubzzzzzzzzzzzztep :tdwn
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Considering that the vast majority of greenhouse gases and air pollution come from sources other than transportation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Greenhouse_Gas_by_Sector.png), whether or not they drive a big bus is kind of irrelevant.
No, but I've been to an REM concert where Michael Stipe told the audience that our cars are hurting this planet and we need to stop driving so much. Don't tell me to stop driving my car to and from a concert and than hop on an airplane or tour bus with an entire fleet of trucks that house your instruments, lights, stage, etc. for 9 months out of the year.
It's kind of like when a celebrity says to stop driving so much, but than employs a fleet of cars to drive them to a premiere. Tom Hanks did it once to drive him to a Conan O'Brien taping. He had a police motorcade and three limos to escort him to the theater to tape the show.
Anyways, back to the music. This should be an interesting album. I am looking more forward to see how die-hard Muse fans react to it.
In fairness, it's fundamentally different in that driving around the gear is literally the only option to get it from place to place. Without driving it, they can't put on a show. Whereas a lot of people, particularly in the US it seems and the UK isn't a great deal better, will drive somewhere simply because they can't be bothered to walk or get public transport. That's what people should be cutting down on, not driving when they actually need to.
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I can't think of what would be worse... a Muse/dubstep album or that preview just being a small bit from one track and the rest being the same ol Muse...
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I can't think of what would be worse... a Muse album or ...
:neverusethis: nothing's worse than that .
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That sounded frickin' awesome. Clearly they won't be doing a full album of it (come on, even in that teaser trailer it was only the last 20 seconds that was dubstep) but the epic buildup leading into that solid dubstep was really nicely done. I was actually getting a bit unfussed about Muse in the last year or so but this has got me really excited again!
(https://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg845/scaled.php?server=845&filename=ilikewhatyoudontlike.png&res=landing)
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those teeth
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I never understood why he made that thing.
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Personally I get the feeling they are jumping on the 'down with hypercapitalism' train; if yourfirst teaser of the album is quite specific in its themes, I dare say thats where the rest of the album will head. I am prone to being wrong 95% of the time, however.
"Rise up and take the power back, it's time the fat cats had a heart attack, you know that their time is coming to an end, we have to unify and watch our flag ascend, COME ON!"
"War is overdue, the time has come for you to shoot your leaders down, join forces underground."
The only bit that I disagree with is "jumping on the train" - they've been driving that train for a good six years now.
I mean environmental-ness-ism. I know they've always been a "down with the machine" kind of band, but from what I've paid attention to/can remember they haven't done much on the 'vironment.
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I never understood why he made that thing.
It explains your avatar, for sure.
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You don't like Theo Huxtable?
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New Muse song arriving in 5h30! Being played on Zane Lowe's radio show first, but it'll be available to buy off iTunes or muse.mu immediately after, so don't worry - nobody has to listen to Zane Lowe bellowing about how "IT'S GUNNAH BE THE BIGGEST RECORD IN THE WUUUUHLD."
It's called Survival, and it's being played because it's been picked as the official song of the London 2012 Olympics!
Not a clue what that entails - maybe it has to run a lap - but good news all round! Brilliant pick, bandwise. Can't wait to hear it.
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Ooh, exciting news! :smiley:
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Nice Hope it doesn't suck.
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Pretty nervous about hearing the new song. Hoping it's a better lead single than Uprising was.
Edit: Just found a clip of the song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9k0iaK8bSE&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9k0iaK8bSE&feature=youtu.be)
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Dubstep can be okay if done right, but in the trailer it sounded pretty generic IMO. Standard Dubstep.
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That was beyond bizarre.
It's not the dubstep song, by the way. That's Unsustainable.
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Pretty nervous about hearing the new song. Hoping it's a better lead single than Uprising was.
Edit: Just found a clip of the song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9k0iaK8bSE&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9k0iaK8bSE&feature=youtu.be)
Sounded good.
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I'm pretty reassured by this song after the dubstep thing. It's bombastic and epic, just how I like it. At the same time though, I can see how people can hate it. Like most of Muse's stuff, it's polarizing. You either love it or hate it. Not much middle ground.
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That was Matt singing??
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Need one with good quality... but it's good.
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For links, can people make sure they only post official streams. I'm sure there probably is one somewhere!
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They said the single would be available for purchase on itunes after the BBC stream, but i don't see it. Maybe only on UK itunes store?
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That was absolutely nothing like anything I expected it to be.
I'll need to absorb it for a while before I can decide whether or not I actually like it.
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They said the single would be available for purchase on itunes after the BBC stream, but i don't see it. Maybe only on UK itunes store?
It wasn't up for me, last I checked, either. Is now for me, though. Have another poke round - if it's still not around, then yeah, UK only.
That was absolutely nothing like anything I expected it to be.
I'll need to absorb it for a while before I can decide whether or not I actually like it.
I think I might need to absorb it four or five times before I'll have a clue - song's absolutely ridiculous. That's good, though. Even if I decide I hate it. I've missed being stunned by Muse songs.
Speaking of - Matt Bellamy had some interesting stuff to say after the single's premiere. Apparently they've got a song with a lot of brass in it called Panic Station. And they confirmed that Unsustainable is the only song on the album that's particularly dubsteppy, but they're trying to do to the genre what Rage Against the Machine did to rap. As for this one, they've got a very good pianist who wanted to play it live with them, so Survival was composed specifically to have lots of piano and lots of guitar going at the same time - and by the sounds of things (though I could have misinterpreted him, here) this one isn't for the album, this isn't the first single from The Second Law, that's still coming, so we can think of this as a dry run.
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And they confirmed that Unsustainable is the only song on the album that's particularly dubsteppy, but they're trying to do to the genre what Rage Against the Machine did to rap.
That seems like a fun goal, but based on what I've heard of Unsustainable, I'm not sure they actually succeeded.
By the way, do you have a link to these comments?
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I don't, I'm afraid! It was an audio interview - Radio 1, directly after the single's broadcast.
I'm happy to record it from iPlayer if it's cool by the mods. Don't know where that registers on the legality radar, though. Probaby a bit iffy, I'd wager?
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Ah, alright. No big deal, then. I was just curious. I'm happy to take your word on what was said.
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Still no song?
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They must be taking the piss, that's terrible...it sounded good until the lyrics :lol
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Not up on itunes like they said. Lame.
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Heard the song last night, pretty interesting stuff! Huge sound, very epic. It's very unusual though, quite a weird song, so I think a lot of people will need to get used to it first. Does seem like a strange choice for somethings as massively public as the Olympics theme song.
Lyrics are pretty cheesy, but then I've never expected good lyrics from Muse. :lol They're also very fitting for the Olympics, which is probably why it was chosen.
Does anyone know if this is actually on the album? A couple of sites are saying that this is not the lead single for the album and that Unsustainable will be, but that doesn't indicate whether it's even on the album or not...
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It's not the lead single from the album - that's coming, they said that on the Radio 1 interview - but whether it's going to appear on the album or not, I've no idea. I presume it will, as the prelude doesn't come with the iTunes single, but it's anyone's guess.
Having slept on it, I'm quickly falling in love with it. Lyrics are poor, even by Muse's standards, (which usually veer wildly from "pretty cool" to "pedestrian,") but musically it's exactly the right brand of bonkers.
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"Bonkers" is definitely the right word to describe it. I hope the new album follows suit. Resistance (and Neutron Star Collision) was Muse-by-numbers. This is Muse but not like we've seen before, and that excites me.
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Resistance ... was Muse-by-numbers.
Between the bass clarinet solo and symphonic trilogy, I'm not sure I'd agree with that at all.
But yeah, it's always exciting when they try something new.
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Bahaha. This is genuinely very funny.
Few months ago, someone in the band drunkenly tweeted a picture of Dom, exhausted, in the studio, not realising that the whiteboard behind him contained working titles for all of the songs on the new album.
Today, they tweeted this - and a ";-)"
(https://p.twimg.com/AxrjO7TCMAEVQUe.jpg)
To clarify -
1. Supremacy
2. Madness
3. Panic Station
4. Prelude
5. Survival
6. Follow Me
7. Animals
8. Explorers
9. Big Freeze
10. Save Me
11. Liquid State
12. The 2nd Law: Unsustainable
13. The 2nd Law: Isolated System
I think Survival will benefit, lyrically, from being taken away from the Olympic context.
Resistance ... was Muse-by-numbers.
Between the bass clarinet solo and symphonic trilogy, I'm not sure I'd agree with that at all.
But yeah, it's always exciting when they try something new.
It's funny, isn't it. On paper, it looks like it should be mad. Doesn't stop there, Undisclosed Desires was full-on R&B, Uprising was glam rock - the album should've been ridiculous. Ultimately, though, I tend to agree with ninja. It's come out a little... vanilla? Tried and tested? Might just be after the paradigm shift of BHAR, or something to do with the songs being (in my opinion) good rather than great. But I thought the idea of a three-part twelve minute Muse symphony sound delicious, and it turned out, well, fine. Good listen, but the Resistance doesn't fizzle, not like their other stuff - not for me, anyway.
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As long as theres no song like Undisclosed Desires I'll be fine.
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As long as theres no song like Undisclosed Desires I'll be fine.
Undisclosed Desires is my favorite song on the album :lol
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As long as theres no song like Undisclosed Desires I'll be fine.
Undisclosed Desires is my favorite song on the album :lol
Mine too. :tup
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As long as theres no song like Undisclosed Desires I'll be fine.
Undisclosed Desires is my favorite song on the album :lol
Mine too. :tup
Mine thrice. Stunningly beautiful song.
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Same here.
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You must have read his post wrong, people. He didn't say Unnatural selection.
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That song is incredibly mediocre.
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2. Madness
Not sure exactly why, but this title has me pretty excited to hear the song.
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Just saw this:
"We went to see Skrillex in Camden around October. We went, ‘Fuck, it’s so heavy,’ loved it. I was like a full metal gig, they had circles of death, people were moshing, I hadn’t seen a reaction like that to electronic music before. We took inspiration and came up with ‘The 2nd Law: Unsustainable’.”
That’s drummer Dom Howard speaking to NME*on Muse’s sixth studio album The 2nd Law.*Singer and guitarist Matt Bellamy followed up:
"Some of that hard dubstep and brostep coming from America, is capturing the imagination. The moshpit has moved from guitars and gone towards the laptop, so with that song we’re trying to see if we can challenge the laptop. We created something that was dubsteppy but we wanted to see if we could do it with real instruments. We wanted to ask, ‘Can rock bands compete with what these guys are doing?’"
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It's a very interesting concept. I just hope it rocks. :metal
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Muse and the NME summarise the new album, track-by-track. Source is Muselive.com, and all hail them for the pain of transcription - very thankless task - but I've subtracted their commentary as it's a little banal. Soz, Musers.
I've also reinstated the swearing. I hope nobody minds.
Supremacy
'Supremacy' sees the band going to "absurd levels", according to Matt. Spiralling swamp blues of the track builds to a climax of orchestral hysteria as Matt orates a terrifying scene of mankind losing its supremacy over the Earth as "the seas have risen up" and energy shortages cause global desperation.
Madness
The next single (released early August). An electronic cross between 'I Want To Break Free' and 'Faith'. "You've had a fight with your girlfriend and she goes off to her mum's house for the day and you're on your own going: "What did I say?"" says Matt, describing the song's inspiration. "I'm sure a lot of blokes have that experience in the early stages of relationships where you go: "Yeah, she's right, isn't she?".
Panic Station
According to Matt, in the Radio 1 interview after 'Survival', this track features brass. Muse have cited Prince as the inspiration for the 80's effects on the track. The song is describes as having a "hysteric" feel, which is reflected in demented 80's elements such as backwards 'Let's Dance' drumbeats and riffs reminiscent of INXS' 'Suicide Blonde'. More gasping vocally from Matt. "That's 'Scary Monsters' Bowie meets Primus", says Matt. "Doing a funk track was for us remembering Rush and Primus, the more slap-bass things we liked." "Those big, spacious, wet, massive drum sounds," adds Dom. "It started to conjure up memories of songs we'd listened to or grew up on in the 80's by Prince and Stevie Wonder and we wanted to take it in that direction."
Prelude
You know this one.
Survival
"If [the fans] hate it, cool", says Dom. "At least it's provoking something. It's a pretty weird song for the Olympics to choose, but it's cool that they think the song can represent the enormity of the Olympics. It takes you back to Gladiator-style Olympics. Maybe they should bring some of those back, like fending off a tiger with a spiked metal ball."
Follow Me
The beginning of the track features Bingham Bellamy's heartbeat. An ode to fatherhood, by Matt.
Animals
Flamenco-flecked. 'Animals' is about economies collapsing under the weight of stock market savagery, of industries desperate to "advertise, franchise… kill the competition", and of the greed of bankers who Matt claims should "kill yourself, come on and do us all a favour". Matt says: "This song is conjuring up the rawest form of that feeling of "look what humans are capable of doing, it's shocking.'"
Explorers
An elegant, choral pop vision of dying crops and abused nature, inspired by Matt's concerns of industrial greed and business monopolies. 'Explorers' is drenched in the sense of not feeling you belong on your own planet. Very nearly called 'Alien Explorers', Matt claimed, but "not in the way of aliens from outer space but in the way of feeling like an alien on your own planet. It's about the intense desire to grow and expand - at some point nature will become the minority. I'm not sure if I'm really coming from an environmental thing - [Explorers] is where I'm singing about my views on property rights. The idea that corporations can own vast tracts of foreign countries. I'm not sure if the deal went through but, I think it was in Paraguay or Uraguay, the Bush family bought something like a million acres of land, which underneath contains the biggest natural water reservoir in South America. At some point there has to be someone who says: 'That's not right.'. Can BP buy Nigeria? At the moment they can. They could buy it and they kick all the natives out, shoot them down or whatever and just say: 'We own this now'."
Big Freeze
Stadium stomp.
Save Me
Written by Chris. The song details his battle with alcoholism, and was written at a time when he was sober. "It's about having the family, wife and kids who, despite all the crap I've put them through, at the end of it you realise they're still there and they're the ones who pulled you through," says Chris.
Liquid State
The second track on the record written by Chris, and again written about his alcohol addiction. "This one was written about the person you become when you're intoxicated and how the two of them are having this fight inside of you and it tears you apart," he adds.
The 2nd Law: Unsustainable / Isolated System
Doom-drenched operas full of newsreel reports from the end of civilisation, rapping Terminators, trumpets inflating like lifeboats and Exorcist piano pulses tinkling goodbye to the globe. "It's the noise of humanity on a tiny planet in the middle of nothing," says Matt. "Hanging around space would be so peaceful and quiet and suddenly you come to this little blip that's fucking chaos! I see it as drifting away from the planet and going into the peacefulness of what actually is gonna happen at the end of it all, which is nothingness."
I'll admit to being properly fascinated by Save Me and Liquid State. Chris has always been the quietest Muse, and Matt's always been such a dominant force in the songwriting - to me this is a bit like finding out two songs on the next DT album are gonna be written by John Myung. Can't wait, hope they're fantastic.
I love how hazy everything Matt says is. Barely lucid. Brilliant, rambling explosion of a mind. Only understand about half of it, mind.
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Muse is such a good band and they're ruining themselves with dubstep :(
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Muse is such a good band and they're ruining themselves with dubstep :(
Let's wait till we hear a full song before passing judgment. Its not like they bought a laptop and FL Studio. They're using guitars to make those sounds, which I think is a really cool way of doing it.
I'm really excited based on those track reviews. Panic Station intrigues me a lot, but two songs written by CHRIS? This is very different indeed. Hopefully that shows that Matt's not in complete control over the rest of the album like he was on the Resistance. I'm really interested in hearing what he has to say, simply because we hear so much from Matt and more creative voices in a band really helps them out.
btw, I'm surprised I haven't heard "Survival" at all during the Olympic broadcast (US). Did they play it during the opening ceremony? Are they planning to play it at the closing ceremony? Because if Muse doesn't play "Survival" and Queen doesn't play "We Are the Champions" something is terribly terribly wrong.
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Agreed on all of the above - including the response to Fourth Horseman. Dubstep isn't my genre at all, but then neither's R&B and yet I love Undisclosed Desires. Muse have built up a pretty good record for genre-bending. From any other band, I'd think it sounded like tedious pandering. Muse, however, have earnt the benefit of the doubt five times over.
btw, I'm surprised I haven't heard "Survival" at all during the Olympic broadcast (US). Did they play it during the opening ceremony? Are they planning to play it at the closing ceremony? Because if Muse doesn't play "Survival" and Queen doesn't play "We Are the Champions" something is terribly terribly wrong.
They did not! As far as I'm aware. They might've played after the athletes strode on, I switched off when they were still on the "Bs," but I've not heard anything, and they'd been significantly more heavily rumoured for the closing ceremony than the opening.
There was a lot of Muse in the opening ceremony. The intro tape ended with Map of the Problematique, and there was a big bit in the middle of the internet section where a lot of people were dancing to Uprising, but no Survival. Presumably because this opening ceremony would've been in the works for months now, and Survival's only been released within the last few weeks. I'll be very surprised if they don't play it at the closing ceremony.
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Yeah, Muse using dubstep with real instruments sounds really cool. It's the sort of small innovation that more bands should be attempting. Hopefully it works out for them, but I'm going to give them a chance on this.
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That summary really got me interested. I'm sure the album will be quite an experience. I hope I'll like it better than The Resistance and Black holes and revelations, both of them are pretty good but are my least favorite Muse albums.
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I love BH&R, but agreed WRT The Resistance. Let's see how it goes, though! My one reservation is that it looks, structurally, very similar to The Resistance - with the singles toward the start, then once we're three songs down we get the Queen-inspired piano-rocker (plus interlude), until we get steadily more paranoid and rocky in the build-up to the multi-part finale.
That's hardly a concern, though. Just the blurb for The 2nd Law is a lot more exciting than Exogenesis. And we've got flamenco, dubstep, swampy blues - Panic Station, in particular, sounds bonkers. 80s glam-disco with a touch of Rush? Bring it on.
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I think Exogenesis is pretty much the heart of the album, it's truly a beautiful suite. I'm also digging Unnatural selection and I belong to you like crazy. The singles aren't that impressive, though, which is strange because it was the singles that caught my attention on Black holes.
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Ok, now I'm psyched.
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Muse just tweeted this, along with the hashtag #musethe2ndlaw
(https://p.twimg.com/AzD3W4WCIAAQ_Ec.jpg)
I hope that's not the cover art. Anyone recognise the shapes? It looks like it might be a sciencey thing. Like the path of a particle or some such. Maybe radioactive decay? I'm sure I've seen graphs like that before, but my physics is failing me...
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Aha! And within the last minute.
(https://p.twimg.com/AzD5y2_CMAEJimU.jpg)
I think they're revealing the cover art!!
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I can't wait to see what it turns out to be. I love these type of ''what the hell'' covers. ;D
Just listened to the Survival for the first time and thought it was pretty rad.
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Good man! That's the correct answer. You've passed the test. How were the lyrics for you?
There were ten minutes between the first two pictures - the next should be due in 2-4 minutes or so, I guess?
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(https://p.twimg.com/AzD8RYMCMAA7f1n.jpg)
Yep, every ten. No, Rolf, I cannot guess what it is yet.
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The lyrics are okay, but they do seem kinda cheesy when connected to the Olympics. :smiley: And the cover art is freaking me out so far. :lol
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Well, FREAK FURTHER!
(https://p.twimg.com/AzD-qzXCQAAwqHc.jpg)
With each panel, I feel like I've got progressively less of an idea of how this artwork's going to pan out.
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Looks like visual gibberish to me.
Neat, though.
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(https://p.twimg.com/AzEGgD2CAAA8omx.jpg:large)
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Looks like a punk rock hair-do. :lol More yarn!
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They keep posting pictures but I still have no idea what its supposed to be :lol
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I'd quite like it if they kept hinting, posting little updates, adding to an image little by little, and then ten tweets later revealed a completely different photo by Storm Thorgerson with a big fat Muse logo in the corner.
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I am so tired of this dubstep fad. The music seriously sounds retarded to me. Wobble, wobble, wobble really? Is this what passes for mainstream now? And they fact that rock bands are starting to incorporate in their music just baffles me.
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(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/557885_10151011791038725_1036477807_n.jpg)
A bunch of yarn. Disappointing. Looks like one of the recent Peter Gabriel covers. No Muse logo or album name. Meh.
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I'm convinced there has to be more than this. It looks cool but it could look cooler, I guess.
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Facebook post makes me think it's a diagram of the brain in some way.
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I'm convinced there has to be more than this. It looks cool but it could look cooler, I guess.
I linked the pic from their FB page, where the post said this was the full cover. :-\
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Yeah just saw that on Twitter. whelp.
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WELP indeed.
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Really not the kind of cover I expected with that album title. I think that some of the earlier versions would have looked better.
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First impressions - not hugely impressed, but it's stark enough to be iconic. I think it might grow.
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Yeah I was def expecting something more epic like the other ones.
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It's weird, therefore I like it. :tup
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I've seen worse covers, but this is definitely pretty far down the list.
Still, it's just a cover.
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https://musique.jeuxactu.com/news-muse-on-a-ecoute-the-2nd-law-en-avant-premiere-12334.htm
French review of the new album. In particular --
10. "SAVE ME" (5:09)
La première "cassure" de l'album intervient avec "Save Me" sur lequel Matthew Bellamy laisse le micro au bassiste Chris Wolstenholme. La transition est quelque peu déroutante car les voix des deux musiciens sont totalement différentes. Chris donne un registre bien plus grave que son collègue.
11. "LIQUID STATE" (3:03)
"Liquid State", le second titre composé et chanté par Chris, est incontestablement le morceau le plus rock de The 2nd Law. La voix de Chris fait presque penser à celle de Maynard James Keenan, le chanteur de Tool, par moment.
Which, after I brutally corrupt it with my GCSE French, comes out as something like this...
10. "SAVE ME" (5:09)
The first "crack" of the album occurs with "Save Me," on which Matthew Bellamy leaves the microphone to bassist Chris Wolstenholme. The transition is perhaps a bit jarring as the voices of the two musicians are totally different. Chris sings in a much lower register than his colleague.
11. "LIQUID STATE" (3:03)
"Liquid State," the second title composed and sung by Chris, is without a doubt the rockiest cut from The 2nd Law. Chris's voice brings to mind Maynard James Keenan, the vocalist from Tool.
I didn't realise he was singing on them!!
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Awesome!
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Now that's interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIRjHfdcBgw :lol
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Now that's even MORE interesting.
And according to their Facebook, the album's been delayed until October 1st. Not sure why, considering the album seems to be finished. When they say "rockiest cut" do they mean it rocks the hardest or that its not so great?
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I would say the former.
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Now that's even MORE interesting.
And according to their Facebook, the album's been delayed until October 1st. Not sure why, considering the album seems to be finished. When they say "rockiest cut" do they mean it rocks the hardest or that its not so great?
Most rocktastic, sorry. Bad choice of words!
I think it's because a lot of albums were coming out the same week as it, The Killers' new album, most notably, but very few people will buy a handful of albums on the same day, so it's probably the record label going "let's spread this out a bit."
Might also be a promotion thing, of course. It'll now be six weeks between the single and the album, which is about standard. Could be possible that Survival cut into Madness' promo time, perhaps? Don't know. First guess is more likely.
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This appeared online earlier, no source given, and was taken down within the hour. Expect this version to disappear soon, too, but for now - thirty minute full band interview about every inch of the upcoming album!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_8c7cNxVvc
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Great vid, Rob!
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Bands really need to stop jumping on the dubstep bandwagon.
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Bands really need to stop jumping on the dubstep bandwagon.
I can only assume you've read nothing about that song, because what they're doing is pretty much the opposite of jumping on the bandwagon.
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Ignore this post.
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I doubt that is okay to post. I could be wrong.
Anyway, Survival has really grown on me since the first time I heard it. I'm loving it.
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^good point, thanks for the heads-up
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So, er. The 2nd Law is up for pre-order, and if you plump for the £60 version, you get to download the official video for Unsustainable, immediately. Free of charge.
Sweet lord is it weird. Muse are bringing back the baffling. This is what I've missed. I'm a little disappointed, and yet all my hairs are already standing on end. It's like my body's made up my mind before my head. So bizarre.
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Whelp, that was different. Not being versed in dubstep that was a healthy dose of over-the-top Muse + some what-the-fuckery.
Not sure if I like it yet, but it sure is different.
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Whelp, that was different. Not being versed in dubstep that was a healthy dose of over-the-top Muse + some what-the-fuckery.
Not sure if I like it yet, but it sure is different.
This.
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Okay, so where the hell have we been for the last three days?
Unsustainable is out on muse's official youtube profile:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF_xdvn52As
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Weird song.
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Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwesome!
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I don't know what to think of that, but I do know one thing:
Dennis DeYoung called and he wants the Mr. Roboto voice effect back. :lol :lol
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I can only assume you've read nothing about that song, because what they're doing is pretty much the opposite of jumping on the bandwagon.
Can you elaborate?
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Like other people in this thread, I think Ariich's referring to Muse's whole "hey lets try to recreate these effects with guitars instead of just buying a macbook with FL Studio for a song" mentality as the opposite of just jumping on a popular trend, which is what a lot of fans have been accusing Muse of doing. There's certainly a dubstep influence, no one's going to deny it, but Muse isn't pulling a Maroon 5 or anything like that.
I'm still not sure what to think about the song, but I certainly don't hate it.
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I only know post-Black Holes Muse so I'm probably not the most informed poster in the world to talk Muse, but I'm going to do it anyway.
To me this song sounds like it's going to have the same problems Absolution did. Sounds interesting at first because it's a quick hitter and doesn't require time to sink in but by the time you've listened 10 times to it you're kind of burnt out and you remove it from your regular rotation. At least that's what Absolution was like for me, and this song sounds exactly the same to me.
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To me its sounds like they are more influenced by the ideas of Rage Against The Machine.
They would re-create hip hop techniques using normal instruments which is what Muse are trying to do but instead of hip hop...its dubstep.
I for one like it.
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I'm fine with the dubstep influences, but the song itself sounds kinda thrown together, it just doesn't flow. Especially the dubstep bits feel so out of place it makes my head hurt. Maybe a few more listens will fix that, and I'd also need to hear how it works in the context of the album.
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I only know post-Black Holes Muse so I'm probably not the most informed poster in the world to talk Muse, but I'm going to do it anyway.
To me this song sounds like it's going to have the same problems Absolution did. Sounds interesting at first because it's a quick hitter and doesn't require time to sink in but by the time you've listened 10 times to it you're kind of burnt out and you remove it from your regular rotation. At least that's what Absolution was like for me, and this song sounds exactly the same to me.
Just so you know, Absolution came out before Black Holes and Revelations.
Also, I very thoroughly disagree with your opinion of Absolution. But hey, that's cool. =D
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I meant the Resistance, sorry
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Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwesome!
I usually don't like Muse but I agree. This was pretty kickass.
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Madness is playing on BBC Radio 1 right now.
This album is fucking bonkers. Brilliant. Utterly shocked, but I'm loving this one on first listen.
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Pretty good song. Liking it much better than the last two songs.
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Damn, that's three songs now, and three times I've been like ???. Obviously, the biggest test will be once I get the whole album and listen to it from start to finish multiple times, but my hopes for this being something really good are not as high as they were before. :(
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Well. That was absolutely nothing like I expected it to be.
I liked it, though.
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Here's a legitimate link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq9zhpBweDk) if anyone's interested in listening who didn't hear it on the radio. Or if you did, at that.
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On first listen I already like it a lot better than Survival and Unsustainable, really nice.
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Good stuff. Anyone else get a Queen feel from this tune? The verse reminds me a lot of I Want to Break Free, I think.
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Here's a legitimate link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq9zhpBweDk) if anyone's interested in listening who didn't hear it on the radio. Or if you did, at that.
I like it a lot.
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Its good I guess. It didn't floor me and it also didn't make me go "WTF IS THIS" like the last two did, but its good. Like Kev, my expectations are not for the album to be superamazing.
I'm still looking forward to Chris' songs though!
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Now this I like. I've had it enough with individual songs, bring on the album. ;D
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Not really liking what I'm hearing from these recent songs, but I do enjoy Unsustainable to an extent.
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Matt Bellamy might be absolutely mad.
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Well that was boring. So typical Muse, for me, nothing seems to be changing. Add more dubstep :P
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Melodies were nice, though it was a pretty slow song - doesnt seem like single material to me.
edit: one good thing? The mix/master so far look superb for this album, which is great, considering Muse's track record - Absolution, what the hell were they thinking?
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Melodies were nice, though it was a pretty slow song - doesnt seem like single material to me.
edit: one good thing? The mix/master so far look superb for this album, which is great, considering Muse's track record - Absolution, what the hell were they thinking?
Yeah, as much as I adore Absolution for the quality of the music, the production is shoddy, and the albums before it were no better. They've been a bit better since, but this is the best sounding stuff we've had by far!
The new songs are all very cool, and so completely different. I agree with Rob, this album is going to be MAD.
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Madness was neat. When it first started, I began to regret my decision to preorder the album. :lol
BUT it got much better fairly quickly. I like it a lot better than Unsustainable , which is almost like 2 unfinished songs squashed together.
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Well, Unsustainable is the first of two parts in The 2nd Law, so I guess I don't think of it as a full song anyway. Hoping the second part is a bit more coherent. I love the ideas though!
And yeah, Madness starts real slow, but it builds up nicely and the second half of the song is gorgeous.
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I really like it, very melodic and builds nicely. The more you listen, the more hypnotic it gets.
Definitley hear the Queen vibe, but the verse melody reminds me of George Michaels Faith....not sure why.
Anyway, can't wait for the new album !
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I've listened to Madness a couple times now and I have to say it's just a great song. My anticipation for the album has been at least partially restored.
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I love Madness. I LOVE Madness. Screw the haters, the song's hooks are extremely strong.
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I love Madness. I LOVE Madness. Screw the haters, the song's hooks are extremely strong.
I'm with you on this.
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:D
The last minute and a half or so is amazing, so strong.
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Really digging this stuff so far. I like that they seem to be going back to a more experimental direction. Felt kinda bored with their last two albums, but this has the potential to be the most interesting stuff they've done since Origins...
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Unsustainable... that orchestral build was awesome. And the rockstep really clicks when the strings kick in.
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Been into this band lately, Absolution and OOS are my favorites currently. About the last singles: Unsustainable... No. I don't like it, I don't like that the giant-massive orchestral build-up ends in a total mess of sounds (I don't like dubstep at all) and it seems like they mashed two unrelated songs together. Madness, however, is definitely a grower. It did nothing on me at first but I surely love it now.
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Haven't heard Unsustainable yet, but I really can't stand madness. Slow and boring, just like a good chunk of The Resistance. I am soooo hoping The 2nd Law surprises me.
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I heard "Madness" on the radio today while driving a work van! I was pretty excited to hear Muse on the radio, let alone NEW Muse!
-Marc.
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Been into this band lately, Absolution and OOS are my favorites currently. About the last singles: Unsustainable... No. I don't like it, I don't like that the giant-massive orchestral build-up ends in a total mess of sounds (I don't like dubstep at all) and it seems like they mashed two unrelated songs together. Madness, however, is definitely a grower. It did nothing on me at first but I surely love it now.
I've kind of had the opposite thing with Madness. Loved it first time I heard it, but right now I'm not loving much of the song aside from the "maaa-aaa-AAA-AAAAAD-NESS!" harmonies during the verses. I probably overplayed it.
Survival, now that's the real grower for me. Brilliant song. I can't listen to it without turning the speakers right up. So intense. So fiery. So Muse.
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It's out there...
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Turns out Chris is an awesome singer too. Save Me is really great. Reminds me of Anathema.
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I just listened to it over a legal stream, and I have to admit it's a terrible record. I've had my share of problems with Resistance, but in the end it was sub-par and that was that, 1-3 songs I liked, the rest being poor or forgettable.
But this...wow, I'm really astonished. I'm really not somebody who is not open to different styles of music, as I like something out of every genre, but every song feels like a rip-off of something else and just all in all completely uninspired. With the exception of Liquid State, which is average, and Madness, of which I understand the appeal though I don't like it myself there is nothing that stands out or works out in any kind of way. Some songs sound like bad James Bond theme songs, most don't do anything at all. Just a bad, bad record.
Sorry, I know I'm sounding like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons, but I loved Muse for the most part of the career and this is just so bad to me it's almost funny.
Edit: I just realized my avatar is very fitting considering this post. You're tearing me apart, Matthew!
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Yeah, the new album is really bad.
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On my third listen now, I can't believe how far downhill this band has gone in the space of 2 albums.
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I think its pretty decent, with some good and some terrible tracks.
Supremacy is kinda cool, could suitably be a Bond theme, has some nice screams from MB
Madness is nice I guess
Panic Station is really cool and funky, although I think it might come across as lame for a lot of people
Survival is meh, but the Prelude to it is quite nice.
Follow Me I literally cannot remember
Animals is really good, has some really nice guitar work, hoping for the vocal lines to grow on me really
Explorers is A LOT like Invincible from BHAR, I swear some of the chord progressions are exactly the same! But I guess its quite good and builds well.
Big Freeze I dont really remember either
Save Me sounds like a completely different band, Chris as a singer reminds me of Steven Wilson and a bit like the guy from Haken(awesome prog band) Overall a great track
Liquid State was kinda cool
Unsustainable is rubbish, I really dont like it at all. Also the thermodynamics news sections are really lame, and made me cringe a lot
I kinda hoped Isolated System would make up for it but it doesnt, although its a bit better, loses the dubstep and goes all trancey. Very little MB vocals on it and still not much good
Overall, from my first impressions I actually think its quite good. Standouts for me are Supremacy, Panic Station, Animals and especially Save Me.
Edit: I absolutely LOVE Save Me. Chris's voice is really good, and its nice to see Matt Bellamy take a back seat and let the other guys have some freedom. Also Liquid State is really good. Maybe Chris should do a solo album :hat
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I actually liked the album a lot except for Survival and Unsustainable.
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I can't believe how far downhill this band has gone in the space of 2 albums.
Same here. Just not my cup of tea anymore unfortunately. I liked Unnatural Selection and Exogenesis from The Resistance, but that was about it.
With The 2nd Law, I was expecting things to be even worse. And although it wasn't actually as bad as I thought it was going to be, Supremacy was the only track that was decent. :(
Listened to an epic playlist of some of my favourites by them afterwards - they used to be so good :'(
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I received the promo late last night. I got 6 tracks in and I couldn't finish it, I had to delete it. its an embarrassment to me to a band that could write albums like Absolution and Origin of Symmetry to writing....this.
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Available for streaming on the Guardian website.
Love it to bits.
Trying not to listen again until the release date, but Panic Station is far and away my favourite song first time through. All subject to change, though. All I know for sure, at this point, is that it blows the Resistance right out of the water. Maniacal, diverse - couldn't stop grinning. Stupendous.
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Not liking much of what I'm hearing.
its an embarrassment to me to a band that could write albums like Absolution and Origin of Symmetry to writing....this.
Unfortunately, I agree. What a shame.
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I really liked Save Me, and maybe one or two others. Otherwise it's just average I'd say.
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I enjoy this album a lot more after several more listens. It's not THAT different than the material on The Resistance, so this album really shouldn't have surprised anyone, with the exception of the last four tracks (which is very different than what we're expecting from Muse).
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My thoughts, recorded on my first listen through:
Supremacy had some cool stuff going on in it. Can't remember a lot of it off the bat (just need more listens), but its already a massive improvement over the Resistance in that it wasn't uber repetitive like Uprising.
Madness is a lot better listening to a higher-quality version than a youtube video, but I still think that its a pretty meh song overall. Some cool textures going on, and once the song gets going at around the 3:30 it gets a lot better. I guess my problem is that it isn't change all that much to keep me interested, or starts off with a great hook right off the bat the way a repetitive song like Time is Running Out is.
Panic Station. Dat bass riff. Reminds me of The Game-style Queen. Then horns come in! Now here's something more engaging than most of The Resistance.
Prelude/Survival. Still a fun song. Lyrics are still cheesy and silly. Again, more engaging than most of The Resistance. This is some of the most epic stuff Muse have done. I was jamming out to it by the midpoint.
Follow Me. Not very good lyrics. Not very interesting. Then we hear that stupid "VROOP VROOP VROOP VROOP" sound effect I feel like I've heard in too many club/party songs or whatever. Then it turns into a pop song that doesn't grab me. Makes me miss the rocking Muse that used to exist. Supermassive Black Hole was poppy, but it still rocked.
Animals. I like the guitar work and all the instrumentation. The vocal melody is a bit boring though. Shame, the song was so close to being awesome.
Explorers. Started off kinda sleepy. Got more into it as it went on. But I don't really remember it very well, oddly enough. Like all new albums it'll need more listens. I did notice its the longest song on the album. Remember when Muse wrote 6 minute songs like Knights of Cydonia, New Born, or even 5 minute songs like Butterflies & Hurricanes? The song kinda remains static for 6 minutes. Its not a good fit.
Big Freeze. Seems to me that Animals, Explorers, and Big Freeze got no press in the interviews and videos Muse have done to promote the album. Again, a very poppy song that doesn't sound like Muse could have written it.
Save Me. This song is fantastic. Maybe Matt should split with Dom and Chris. He can do all his dancey pop stuff with orchestras and Dom and Chris can write great songs like this. Chris' voice is actually really good. I hope this leads to many more contributions from him in the future.
Liquid State. Music's good. Chris is good. Guitars should sound heavier I think. They sound a little subdued and lack a real punch to them. Other than that it looks like Chris is 2 for 2.
UN ZZSUS TAIN ABLE. BEEEEEEEEEEEEYOOOOOOOOOOOOO WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH UN SUS TAIN ABLE BEEEEEEEEEEYOOOOOO WICKYWAHWAAAAAAAAH UNSUSTAIN UNSUSTAINABLE. *ahem* The orchestral stuff is good, mimicking dubstep with actual guitars is cool. That newscaster lady having all those weird effects on her voice is annoying though. Still a cool song though.
Isolated System. Started off with really good music. Those stupid samples killed the mood though. Because Unsustainable, Animals, and Explorers didn't hit us over the head with the message already and God forbid Matt Bellamy wants us to enjoy music without listening to some newspeople elec-lec-lec-lec-lec-lectronically modifying their voices. Maybe not the most exciting song, which is something the album definitely needs, but its still a very good closing track and instrumental.
So yeah. Overall, more cool things than the Resistance, but definitely fewer cool things than Origin, Absolution, or Black Holes. I really want to see more rocking Muse again, or at least rocking Muse that really went out of the box, rather than a "hey we're a rock band doing POP STUFF isn't that exciting?" kind of Muse. Think more Hoodoo and less Follow Me. I'm also open to Chris doing a solo album.
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On my third listen now, I can't believe how far downhill this band has gone in the space of 2 albums.
And I think the exact opposite. I love the direction Muse has been going. One man's trash is another man's treasure I guess.
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Trying not to listen again until the release date, but Panic Station is far and away my favourite song first time through.
This was by far the most cringeworthy moment of the whole record for me. The ugly lovechild of Prince and Stevie Wonder married to INXS.
Definitely will give the record a few more plays, but I could not warm up to resistance at all, so I don't believe my opinion will change all that much. But let's see.
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I liked Unnatural Selection and Exogenesis from The Resistance, but that was about it.
Ooh, those were my two favorite songs on that album as well. :tup
I'll try to listen to the new one as soon as possible...
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Trying not to listen again until the release date, but Panic Station is far and away my favourite song first time through.
This was by far the most cringeworthy moment of the whole record for me. The ugly lovechild of Prince and Stevie Wonder married to INXS.
That's fair! I'd call it the maverick daughter of Franz Ferdinand and the Scissor Sisters, myself, but it's not like I can convince anyone to like it. Personally, though? Can't listen to it without hopping around the room. So much fun, but I can see how it'd be polarising. I'd definitely give Animals or Explorers a few more listens, though, if you're a bit of a traditionalist. They could slot right into Origin and Absolution, I'd say.
Ah well. Nothing new. Black Holes & Revelations shed half the fanbase a couple of years ago. Turnover's a shame, but absolutely inevitable. Progress marches on. On my third listen right now, and where I'm sat, Muse sound alive again. Loved them in all their flavours, and now they've got twelve brand new ones. Bliss.
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As a huge Muse fan and someone who really liked the Resistance (yes I know I'm in the minority)....i'm very very disappointed.
The problem for me is that it all seems like a joke, the album has its tongue planted firmly in the cheek.
Almost like Mr Bellamy is havin a laugh and he's gonna then go, actually here's the real new album.
The only song that sounded like it had any integrity was "Save Me" and that had Chris singing - maybe that says it all.
There are some class moments, but when you have been as good as Muse, then to be this ordinary is just not on.
What a let down. :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn
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Trying not to listen again until the release date, but Panic Station is far and away my favourite song first time through.
This was by far the most cringeworthy moment of the whole record for me. The ugly lovechild of Prince and Stevie Wonder married to INXS.
That's fair! I'd call it the maverick daughter of Franz Ferdinand and the Scissor Sisters, myself, but it's not like I can convince anyone to like it. Personally, though? Can't listen to it without hopping around the room. So much fun, but I can see how it'd be polarising. I'd definitely give Animals or Explorers a few more listens, though, if you're a bit of a traditionalist. They could slot right into Origin and Absolution, I'd say.
Ah well. Nothing new. Black Holes & Revelations shed half the fanbase a couple of years ago. Turnover's a shame, but absolutely inevitable. Progress marches on. On my third listen right now, and where I'm sat, Muse sound alive again. Loved them in all their flavours, and now they've got twelve brand new ones. Bliss.
Naw, that's cool, hope I didn't listen too much like "YOU'RE STUPID FOR LIKING IT!", it's just personal disappointment. In the end it's just a matter of taste, and I have to admit I really like Animals, although it got a little lost on the first listen and I was too harsh on it, it's indeed a nice song. But still other tracks kind of make me angry. :lol
I think I could also like Liquid State if it wasn't for the vocals. Chris singing isn't even the problem - it's not great but bearable. But the voice is so strangely mixed it turns me off completely.
Well, again, will give it a few more spins.
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Loving this album, like seriously it's pretty fucking sweet.
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When did Muse go from having Queen as an influence to actually thinking that they are Queen ?
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Nothing on this album really screams Queen the way USoE did :P
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Nothing on this album really screams Queen the way USoE did :P
Agreed! But I think it's a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy. As soon as people go "Ooh, there's a lot of Queen in this song," the confirmation bias lingers - anything Queenish, even something any other band might've got away with, adds fuel to the fire. So just as Dream Theater constantly copied Muse for about four years, Muse are now Queen wannabes. Can't wait to find out who Queen are ripping off.
Honestly? I can't hear much Queen at all on the new album. I quite like the comparison between Madness and I Want to Break Free, but it's a chord progression rather than invoking a vibe. Survival I think is probably the fairest, but I'd describe it less as a Queen-type song, and more like My Way slowly and painfully mutating into Flight of the Valkyries.
But - again, opinions! I'll admit to not being the most Queen-savvy music fan, so there might be loads of stuff that I'm missing.
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I'm hopefully getting it on release day!
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Is it just me or does Save Me sound very Oceansize/Porky Treeish?
It reminds me of significant other by steven wilson actually...
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I'm not hearing a similarity to PT or SW, especially Significant Other. Don't know enough Oceansize to judge, but I agree with someone earlier that it kinda sounds like Anathema. I mean, its way more interesting than most of the Anathema stuff I've heard but I see the resemblance. :biggrin:
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Is it just me or does Save Me sound very Oceansize/Porky Treeish?
That's the exact combination I thought of when I heard it. Probably the best on the album for me.
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Is it just me or does Save Me sound very Oceansize/Porky Treeish?
It reminds me of significant other by steven wilson actually...
Not just you! But I can't for the life of me work out what exactly about it there is that I'm getting the vibe from. It's not a particularly precise match, I wouldn't mistake it for either band, but there's something in there that invokes that kind of... feeling.
Listening for... oh, the fifth time or so, now? So much for trying not to play it too much. Up to Animals right now, such a cool song. Fills the room. Looking forward to Save Me again, as I always do.
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This album is lacking a climax. Real hard.
I still have several mixed feelings about this, but the only thing that's probably not gonna chance is that is album lacks the excitement of previous Muse releases. Yeah, several styles, we get it, evolution...but damn, even The Resistance (which used to rank at the bottom of my list, and just got one step higher thanks to the 2nd Law) had a climax and some very exciting moments. This is not the case, and it's a shame.
My favorite song is still Madness, which is a shame because when that got out it actually got me extremely pumped for this shit.
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Holy fuck I love Survival.
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Supremacy is definitely the best song I've heard from Muse.
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This album is lacking a climax. Real hard.
There is nothing worse than getting real hard and then lacking a climax. What a waste. ;D
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The song order feels way off - Survival is totally out of place - an anthem rock song in the middle of electronic stuff... but then I think it's also easily the worst song on the album.
As a whole, the album feels massively inconsistent, due to their experimentation. Some worked really well... others not so much. Why can't they just latch on to one of these experimentations, and make a whole album of it? This way, we'll never have a consistent album because that's way too much to ask for any band when so much is just style upon style change and experimenting.
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My immediate reaction to this after one listen was:
They pulled a dredg on us. Uh oh. :facepalm: :facepalm:
I pray subsequent listens indicate otherwise.
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I don't think its anywhere near as bad as Chuckles. For one, Muse didn't build up our hopes with a really cool-sounding "dark pop" concept and then totally butcher it. Plus, songs like Panic Station, Survival, Save Me, Liquid State, and Isolated System are actually very good, though they still have their faults (stupid vocal extras in Panic Station, stupid samples in Isolated System, not letting something more than the cool fuzz bass drive a song).
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The song order feels way off - Survival is totally out of place - an anthem rock song in the middle of electronic stuff... but then I think it's also easily the worst song on the album.
As a whole, the album feels massively inconsistent, due to their experimentation. Some worked really well... others not so much. Why can't they just latch on to one of these experimentations, and make a whole album of it? This way, we'll never have a consistent album because that's way too much to ask for any band when so much is just style upon style change and experimenting.
:tup
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The song order feels way off - Survival is totally out of place - an anthem rock song in the middle of electronic stuff... but then I think it's also easily the worst song on the album.
As a whole, the album feels massively inconsistent, due to their experimentation. Some worked really well... others not so much. Why can't they just latch on to one of these experimentations, and make a whole album of it? This way, we'll never have a consistent album because that's way too much to ask for any band when so much is just style upon style change and experimenting.
"In the middle of electronic stuff" is just not true. That's probably a false vibe that you get from this album, but actually there isn't that much electronic stuff going on, at all. Supremacy is not electronic, Panic Station is not electronic, Animals isn't, Explorers isn't, Big Freeze isn't, Save me and Liquid State aren't electronic neither.
I like the fact that is album is so unconventional and experimental (2 instrumental songs, 2 songs with a different lead singer, etc.) In my opinion it still does have a golden thread and it really feels like a whole.
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Save Me totally has a PT vibe...it's like those long drawn out Steve Wilson'esque vocal harmonies.
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"In the middle of electronic stuff" is just not true. That's probably a false vibe that you get from this album, but actually there isn't that much electronic stuff going on, at all. Supremacy is not electronic, Panic Station is not electronic, Animals isn't, Explorers isn't, Big Freeze isn't, Save me and Liquid State aren't electronic neither.
Alright perhaps not, but it still feels massively out of place to me - Would have worked better somewhere else.
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The song order feels way off - Survival is totally out of place - an anthem rock song in the middle of electronic stuff... but then I think it's also easily the worst song on the album.
As a whole, the album feels massively inconsistent, due to their experimentation. Some worked really well... others not so much. Why can't they just latch on to one of these experimentations, and make a whole album of it? This way, we'll never have a consistent album because that's way too much to ask for any band when so much is just style upon style change and experimenting.
"In the middle of electronic stuff" is just not true. That's probably a false vibe that you get from this album, but actually there isn't that much electronic stuff going on, at all. Supremacy is not electronic, Panic Station is not electronic, Animals isn't, Explorers isn't, Big Freeze isn't, Save me and Liquid State aren't electronic neither.
I like the fact that is album is so unconventional and experimental (2 instrumental songs, 2 songs with a different lead singer, etc.) In my opinion it still does have a golden thread and it really feels like a whole.
How many Robs is this board gonna have?! We're a plague!! An infestation!!
From now onwards, everybody start calling me Cornelius. To offset the balance.
But, completely agreed. You're doing the name proud, sir.
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On my first listen of the online stream, will post thoughts as they arise!
Supremacy - pretty damn cool. Very James Bond. Nice buildup and great rocking section towards the end. Unusual structure, nice to see them continuing to branch out a bit and do unusual things.
Madness - heard this before, but I really like it. It starts pretty standard, but the buildup is immense and the vocal harmonies later on are gorgeous.
Panic Station - not what I was expecting at all, but this is AWESOME! So groovy. Love it.
Prelude - Rachmaninoff rip off. It's pretty nice though, and this is hardly a new thing for Muse, they've been ripping of Rach since the beginning.
Survival - Heard this a few times as well. Definitely a grower, I somewhat liked it first time around, but it just seems to get more and more epic with subsequent listens, especially the use of choirs.
more to come...
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Follow Me - As seems to be the case a lot with this album so far, the song starts pretty standard, nothing very exciting (although the arpeggios are a nice classic Muse touch), but then the massive chorus comes in and suddenly I'm grabbed.
Animals - Mostly pretty straightforward Muse really, and nicely reminiscent of their early stuff without just being a copy. Great buildup once again though, they've really got that nailed on this album!
Explorers - Pleasant enough song, with a pretty nice final chorus, but generally I find it the least interesting song so far. Pretty standard, and not much to it. Not bad by any means though.
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Big Freeze - Another somewhat less exciting song, although as keeps being the case on this album, something takes me by surprise. In this case it's the surprisingly cool, rocking chorus, which I really dig! So overall a pretty decent but not amazing song.
Save Me - Chris has a really nice voice. Definite PT/Anathema vibe here throughout the whole song, love it!
Liquid State - Pretty cool song, and good chorus again. I don't think Chris really has a strong (or rather, big) enough voice for such a rocking song though, just doesn't quite feel right. I like the idea of him singing the songs, but while he worked perfectly on Save Me, I think it doesn't work here quite so well.
Unsustainable - Still love this track so much. Experiemental, groovy, headbanging, and epic.
Isolated System - More of that Anathema vibe at the start. This is a very "prog" way to close the album - atmospheric instrumental music with various samples playing throughout. It works nicely though, the music is quite haunting and creates a great mood.
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I'm REALLY digging the new album so far, I was honestly prepared for a disappointment but I needn't have worried. We'll still have to see about how it ranks among the rest of their works...
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Several listens later, I am still not sure what I think of this. It's like there are moments of greatness here and there, but I am not sure it all comes together enough. So far, there isn't a single song that makes me think, "Wow, this is awesome." Every other Muse record so far has had at least several songs that did that right away.
The Queen influences are more than obvious in a handful of places.
Just...not sure...yet.
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I just picked up the album, and I think Madness meets that amazing song expectation for me. I'm only halfway through the album.
Edit: So Save Me and Liquid State...I had to check to make sure I was still listening to Muse. :lol
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Favorites got to be Panic Station for me, at least for now, just because it's so groovy. Complete surprise and I love it. Though I gotta say Madness seems to be the one sticking in my head right now.
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Several listens later, I am still not sure what I think of this. It's like there are moments of greatness here and there, but I am not sure it all comes together enough. So far, there isn't a single song that makes me think, "Wow, this is awesome." Every other Muse record so far has had at least several songs that did that right away.
The Queen influences are more than obvious in a handful of places.
Just...not sure...yet.
I've listened to it a few times now and I still feel like this.
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After more listens I've determined that I like it about as much as any other Muse album. There are a few songs that are amazing, but the rest just don't excite me.
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OK, I'm just gonna say it...
I'm ranking The 2nd Law right behind Origin of symmetry and Absolution. It's not like it's perfect, but man, I'm still can't believe it's this good. I admire them for having the guts to release this, and although the experiment has failed on a couple of songs, it's still better than recording Absolution-wannabee albums till they kick the bucket.
Favorites: Panic station, Animals, Supremacy, Madness
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I'll second a lot of that. No idea where it comes in my rankings, but I'm not a massive fan of Origin of Symmetry so it'll probably be ahead of that. Like you, I can't quite believe it's this good. The Resistance was good enough, with lots of cool stuff, but this is the album TR could've been. The risks, the excitement, the sheer drama of it all. And there is no experience that Survival cannot improve. I don't think I've ever listened to it without turning up a volume dial.
Favourites: Panic Station, Explorers, Survival, Save Me... and, Madness. Although five songs in this is starting to defy the point of picking favourites.
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I agree there's a lot of experimentation and it is what the Resistance really should have been, but I wouldn't say there's much real excitement or drama like an experimental album like Black Holes. A lot of it is pretty tame by Muse standards, most of it falling under 'we're a rock band doing pop stuff' which isn't really all that new. The stuff that really is out there, and is really unapologetic for being out there, really shines. I may just be really bitter because a fantastic closing track was ruined by stupid samples, but I'll stop beating the dead horse. :D
Favorites: Panic Station, Survival, Save Me, Liquid State, Unsustainable
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Just listened to this for the first time and honestly, I really liked it. The middle drags a little, but I get the feeling it'll get better on subsequent listens.
Favorites: Supremacy, Panic Station, Survival, Animals, Liquid State
Isolated System is a weak ass closer though.
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More thoughts:
-Isolated System is a very cool tune, but I think it would have been better served in the middle of the album rather than being the closer. On its own, though, it is really good.
-Liquid State sounds like a Foo Fighters song.
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I think Madness is one of their best songs and that the rest of the album is pretty terrible.
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I think Madness is one of their best songs and that the rest of the album is pretty terrible.
The latter part of that sentence is quite unfortunate. This album has a fire, it's burning with greatness. IMO.
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More thoughts:
-Isolated System is a very cool tune, but I think it would have been better served in the middle of the album rather than being the closer. On its own, though, it is really good.
-Liquid State sounds like a Foo Fighters song.
With you on both of those! I'd amend "like a Foo Fighers song" to "Foo Fighterry" for myself - there's a definite aura, especially with Chris' voice, but I wouldn't say it's as canny as that - but yeah, good observations. I do think Isolated System is a very strange closer. Like someone said up-thread, the album doesn't quite have a climax. I wonder if it'd have been better to put it away from Unsustainable, too.
I might try rejigging the album at some point. It's very weird that Big Freeze is the last song where Matt sings a single word - pretty sure Katie Razzall is the voice of the robot. Right now, I'm thinking along the lines of...
1. Unsustainable
2. Madness
3. Panic Station
4. Follow Me
5. Animals
6. Save Me
7. Liquid State
8. Big Freeze
9. Explorers
10. Prelude
11. Survival
But have no idea how that'd sound in order, or where to put Supremacy or Isolated System. Survival is very, very climactic, but would it do as a closer? Maybe you'd need another song after it, to work as a cooldown - so that could give Isolated System enough context to close the album quite nicely? I like the idea of Unsustainable into Madness, though. It sounds very odd going into Isolated System, and I can already hear the slide-off into Madness' "muh-muh-muh-muh" in my head, and it sounds ace, so I wonder if that might've been the original plan. Also like opening and closing with songs which have string intros.
Interview with Dom Howard - he reckons he's going to be doing some kung-fu on the UK tour. And there will be LED pyramids and dancing aliens. I have no idea how much of any given Muse interview I should take seriously.
Speaking of which, here's my favourite one from the archives. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOIFt-tZAOQ
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I think this could work:
1. Unsustainable
2. Madness
3. Panic Station
4. Follow Me
5. Animals
6. Save Me
7. Liquid State
8. Supremacy
9. Big Freeze
10. Explorers
11. Prelude
12. Survival
13. Isolated System
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This album is lacking a climax. Real hard.
Indeed. There's no Knights of Cydonia.
I don't know what to think of this album either.
This, of course, means Muse has won. We're going to keep listening.
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Ooh, I wanna play too!
1. Panic station
2. Animals
3. Supremacy
4. Madness
5. Big freeze
6. Explorers
7. Survival
8. The 2nd law: Unsustainable
9. The 2nd law: Isolated system
10. Follow me
11. Liquid state
12. Save me
The top half is brilliant, the bottom half is fine to average.
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Ooh, I wanna play too!
1. Panic station
2. Animals
3. Supremacy
4. Madness
5. Big freeze
6. Explorers
7. Survival
8. The 2nd law: Unsustainable
9. The 2nd law: Isolated system
10. Follow me
11. Liquid state
12. Save me
The top half is brilliant, the bottom half is fine to average.
Ah! Me and Cyberdrummer were doing a new running order, rather than a ranking, but I am fully down with this.
1. Prelude & Survival
2. Madness
3. Explorers
4. Panic Station
5. Save Me
6. Supremacy
7. Big Freeze
8. Unsustainable
9. Liquid State
10. Animals
11. Isolated System
12. Follow Me
First group are spectacular, second group are very, very good, and the last group is pretty cool. Note, though, that Survival and Madness have had a lot longer to grow. Appears to be an album that gets better with repeated listens. Which is fantastic. I love that.
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Oh, OK, I guess I should learn to read entire posts. ;D
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Animals and Explorers are pretty good. Supremacy is my favorite song from the album so far.
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There are very few things in the known universe which make me feeling like dancing around like an idiot.
Panic Station is one of them.
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On my first listen. On Save Me right now. it's pretty good. Also like Supremacy and Animals. The rest of what I've heard? Complete garbage. This is The Resistance and Black Holes all over again: a few gems, but the rest is awful.
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This is The Resistance and Black Holes all over again: a few gems, but the rest is awful.
Just out of curiosity, is this opinion of Black Holes common? I haven't spent much time talking to Muse fans, so I'm just wondering.
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Er, from what I've seen, it's always seemed half and half. A lot of people love it. I think the only good songs on it are Take A Bow, Map Of The Problematique, and Knights Of Cydonia. The rest always sounded like filler to me.
Save Me was awesome, it really sounds like a PT song. And I'm on Liquid State now. It's fucking AWESOME! :metal Why isn't more of the album like this?!
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Fair enough. Again, just wondering. :)
Agreed on Liquid State. Amazing song.
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I know there are plenty of people who like it just as much as the first three albums, but I just don't really care for it. Though to be honest, I only like a few songs on Origin Of Symmetry and I only really enjoy the first half of Showbiz, so I already know I'm in the minority as far as the Muse discography goes. :lol It only seems to be at The Resistance where I seem to share the same opinion as a lot of other people.
Alright, having finished the album...
Unsustainable. I have no idea what in the fuck I just listened to, but... I think I liked it? I usually like epic orchestral pieces, and I also like it when there are some evil, almost robotic monotone voiceovers in songs, just not sure how I feel about the suddWUBWUBWUBWUB. And then there's Isolated System. A nice little musical piece on its own, but that is not how you end in album. It just kind of peters out. I agree with what someone said earlier: this album lacks a proper climax. I would have put Liquid State at the end and maybe lengthened the song a bit. I was actually quite surprised by how short it was. By the time I finished typing that last post, it was just ending. :-[
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Okay. Gonna dig my heels in the ground now. Survival is, barring any challengers in the next two and a half months, my favourite song of the year.
Losing the Olympic shackles has helped cement it. It feels more like it's part of the album nowadays, it's not about sports, it's just survival of the fittest. Reading the booklet has made the lyrics creepier, too - clarifies what the choir's singing. Still not Shakespeare, but the male vocalists are singing "SO! I TOLD you SO!" and the sopranos are going "You were warned but didn't listen." Which, the last one in particular - man!
I'm obsessed, in a way that I've not been with a song in more than a year. Love it.
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Er, from what I've seen, it's always seemed half and half. A lot of people love it. I think the only good songs on it are Take A Bow, Map Of The Problematique, and Knights Of Cydonia. The rest always sounded like filler to me.
But, ... but... City Of Delusion :(
BTW I love whole album except for Invincible and Assassin.
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This is The Resistance and Black Holes all over again: a few gems, but the rest is awful.
Just out of curiosity, is this opinion of Black Holes common? I haven't spent much time talking to Muse fans, so I'm just wondering.
I think Black Holes... is absolutely flawless; that and Origin of Symmetry are 1a and 1b on my list of favorite Muse records.
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I'm going to second Black Holes as absolutely flawless. Followed, probably, by The Second Law and Origin of Symmetry at 2a and 2b. Or that's my order today, anyway.
I listened to Absolution the other day and I liked it a lot less than I remembered. Some great, great songs, but some very okay songs, too. It's a wearying listen. The Resistance, on the other hand? I liked a lot more than I remembered. Maybe it's because it no longer has to shoulder the burden of being the latest record. When an album's new, it's dangerous. It might be the uncomfortable proof of a band that's lost their spark. Now that it's not the latest chapter, though, it becomes much easier to love it for what it is, and significantly trickier to resent it for what it's not.
Right now, I'd rank the albums something like...
1. Black Holes & Revelations
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2a. The Second Law
2b. Origin of Symmetry
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3. The Resistance
4. Absolution
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5. Showbiz
6. Hullabaloo
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Just picked up The Second Law. Going to listen to it when I drive to my buds house. Can't wait.
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rob, I know what you mean by Absolution being a wearying listen. I like almost all of the songs on it a lot, but from start to finish, it comes off as a collection of songs rather than a well-flowing record, and the sound of it is a bit annoying. Okay, most Muse albums reek of compression (damn Loudness Wars), but it is the most noticeably distracting on Absolution. I can barely stomach the studio version of Stockholm Syndrome anymore since it is absolutely buried in compression. Many compressed songs sound like you are listening to a song with a blanket over your speakers; Stockholm Syndrome sounds like three blankets are over your speakers. I almost always listen to the live version from the Glastonbury show (that was on the Absolution tour DVD as an extra, that I ripped the audio from) rather than the studio version.
But again, it's not like I don't really like it; I do! I just wish it sounded better. I hope that they re-release all of their albums someday to be more audio-friendly.
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Ranking the albums, huh? I'm always into ranking, listings, favorites and shit. ;D
1. Origin of Symmetry :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
2. Absolution :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
3. The 2nd Law :hefdaddy
4. Showbiz :hefdaddy
5. Black holes and revelations :tup
6. The Resistance :smiley:
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rob, I know what you mean by Absolution being a wearying listen. I like almost all of the songs on it a lot, but from start to finish, it comes off as a collection of songs rather than a well-flowing record, and the sound of it is a bit annoying. Okay, most Muse albums reek of compression (damn Loudness Wars), but it is the most noticeably distracting on Absolution. I can barely stomach the studio version of Stockholm Syndrome anymore since it is absolutely buried in compression. Many compressed songs sound like you are listening to a song with a blanket over your speakers; Stockholm Syndrome sounds like three blankets are over your speakers. I almost always listen to the live version from the Glastonbury show (that was on the Absolution tour DVD as an extra, that I ripped the audio from) rather than the studio version.
But again, it's not like I don't really like it; I do! I just wish it sounded better. I hope that they re-release all of their albums someday to be more audio-friendly.
That could very well be it! I've not quite been able to put my finger on it, because the album's full to the brim with great songs. It's hit after hit after hit. In fact, I'd say the only song I don't have much time for is Ruled by Secrecy, and even that's got the intense piano bit. By the time I was hitting The Small Print the other day, though, it felt like it'd been on for about an hour.
The songs are good, the content's good, there's not a single track I wouldn't be stoked to see live. Butterflies & Hurricanes, in particular, is among my favourite songs of all time. But to hear it coming, song after song after song... it's relentless. And yeah, I'd say that could very well be down 50:50 to the structure and the production.
To contrast it with Black Holes, I've always felt that Black Holes is very well structured. It comes in distinct chapters - it has acts. Starlight goes well into Supermassive goes well into Map. Soldiers Poem and Invincible are a duo, that end "side one." Side two has a spaghetti western feel from the top of Assassin right to the last chord of Knights of Cydonia. With Absolution, though, each successive song is its own chapter. It's hit after hit after hit - and that might be the problem. Fantastic content, top notch music, but I don't enjoy the album as much as I feel I should. Add the claustrophobia of a very dense sound, and that might be exactly what's going on.
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I only bought the album yesterday. I like it quite a bit. Sure there are some throw-aways but there's way more good stuff. I can already comfortably say it's better than The Resistance.
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I can already rank this shit.
1. Madness
2. Prelude/Survival
3. Explorers
4. Save Me
5. Supremacy
6. Animals
7. Panic Station
8. Liquid State
8. Unsustainable
9. Isolated System
10. Big Freeze
11. Follow Me
It's kind of a let down that the best songs are the ones that were released earlier and made me hyped for this album. This is not as bad as I originally thought when I listened this first-way through, but it still lacks magic. Liquid State could have been SO much better.
Glorious popped up in my random itunes playlist earlier today, and it made me miss that Muse so fucking much.
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Album rankings, eh?
4. The 2nd Law
5. Showbiz
6. The Resistance
The rest are tied for number one.
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Surprised to see "Big Freeze" ranked alot lower than i thought it would.. that song's been kicking my arse constantly and i can't do anything about it :biggrin:
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One thing I will say about this album... The Queen and U2 influences are so obvious. :lol
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One thing I will say about this album... The Queen and U2 influences are so obvious. :lol
Well that was true of The Resistance as well, at least regarding the Queen influences. :)
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One thing I will say about this album... The Queen and U2 influences are so obvious. :lol
Well that was true of The Resistance as well, at least regarding the Queen influences. :)
I haven't listened to The Resistance in a while, but I feel like on this album it's a little worse. Could be remembering incorrectly, though.
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I can already comfortably say it's better than The Resistance.
I dunno. 2nd Law doesn't have Undisclosed Desires on it.
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I can already comfortably say it's better than The Resistance.
I dunno. 2nd Law doesn't have Undisclosed Desires on it.
That's a plus. :neverusethis:
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Undisclosed Desires is awesome!
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After a good few listens, new album ranking!
1. Absolution
2. Origin of Symmetry
3. The 2nd Law
4. The Resistance / Black Holes & Revelations
6. Showbiz
They're all good though.
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Origin of Symmetry
Absolution
Showbiz
The Resistance
The 2nd Law
Black Holes & Revelations
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rob, I know what you mean by Absolution being a wearying listen. I like almost all of the songs on it a lot, but from start to finish, it comes off as a collection of songs rather than a well-flowing record, and the sound of it is a bit annoying. Okay, most Muse albums reek of compression (damn Loudness Wars), but it is the most noticeably distracting on Absolution. I can barely stomach the studio version of Stockholm Syndrome anymore since it is absolutely buried in compression. Many compressed songs sound like you are listening to a song with a blanket over your speakers; Stockholm Syndrome sounds like three blankets are over your speakers. I almost always listen to the live version from the Glastonbury show (that was on the Absolution tour DVD as an extra, that I ripped the audio from) rather than the studio version.
But again, it's not like I don't really like it; I do! I just wish it sounded better. I hope that they re-release all of their albums someday to be more audio-friendly.
That could very well be it! I've not quite been able to put my finger on it, because the album's full to the brim with great songs. It's hit after hit after hit. In fact, I'd say the only song I don't have much time for is Ruled by Secrecy, and even that's got the intense piano bit. By the time I was hitting The Small Print the other day, though, it felt like it'd been on for about an hour.
The songs are good, the content's good, there's not a single track I wouldn't be stoked to see live. Butterflies & Hurricanes, in particular, is among my favourite songs of all time. But to hear it coming, song after song after song... it's relentless. And yeah, I'd say that could very well be down 50:50 to the structure and the production.
To contrast it with Black Holes, I've always felt that Black Holes is very well structured. It comes in distinct chapters - it has acts. Starlight goes well into Supermassive goes well into Map. Soldiers Poem and Invincible are a duo, that end "side one." Side two has a spaghetti western feel from the top of Assassin right to the last chord of Knights of Cydonia. With Absolution, though, each successive song is its own chapter. It's hit after hit after hit - and that might be the problem. Fantastic content, top notch music, but I don't enjoy the album as much as I feel I should. Add the claustrophobia of a very dense sound, and that might be exactly what's going on.
Very well-said!! :tup :tup
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UPDATE: We're very pleased to announce that Muse will be playing live across North America in early 2013.
January 21 | San Diego, California | Valley View Casino Center | On sale 10/12 at 10am
January 23 | Los Angeles, California | Staples Center | On sale 10/12 at 10am
January 28 | Oakland, California | Oracle Arena | On sale 10/12 at 10am
February 3 | Edmonton, Alberta | Rexall Place | On sale 10/12 at 10am
February 4 | Calgary, Alberta | Scotiabank Saddledome | On sale 10/12 at 10am
February 6 | Vancouver, British Columbia | Rogers Arena | On sale 10/12 at 10am
February 22 | Ft. Lauderdale, Florida | BankAtlantic Center | On sale 10/12 at 10am
February 23 | Tampa, Florida | Tampa Bay Times Forum | On sale 10/12 at 10am
February 25 | Orlando, Florida | Amway Center | On sale 10/12 at 10am
February 28 | Cleveland, Ohio | Quicken Loans Arena | On sale 10/12 at 10am
March 2 | Detroit, Michigan | Joe Louis Arena | On sale 10/12 at 12pm
March 4 | Chicago, Illinois | United Center | On sale 10/13 at 10am
March 7 | Minneapolis, Minnesota | Target Center | On sale 10/13 at 10am
March 8 | St. Louis, Missouri | Chaifetz Arena | On sale 10/12 at 10am*
March 10 | Tulsa, Oklahoma | BOK Center | On sale 10/12 at 10am#
April 9 | Toronto, Ontario | Air Canada Centre | On sale 10/13 at 10am
April 12 | Boston, Massachusetts | TD Garden | On sale 10/12 at 10am
April 15 | New York, New York | Madison Square Garden | On sale 10/12 at 9am
April 19 | E. Rutherford, New Jersey | IZOD Center | On sale 10/12 at 9am
April 23 | Montreal, Quebec | Bell Centre | On sale 10/13 at 12pm
April 26 | Quebec City, Quebec | Colisée Pepsi | On sale 10/13 at 12pm*
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No Arizona date = SadJaffa. :(
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I like the new album more with each listen. Still rather neutral on Isolated System though.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZsgsn_fUao
theneedledrop reviews The 2nd Law. Once again, it hurts to see him giving such a grade. :(
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I'll be going to the St. Louis show, but looking at setlist.fm, I am disappointed to see that they are still doing relatively short shows. Only 17 or 18 songs per show? That is weak. They should be doing two hour plus shows now with 22-23 songs played, not barely getting to the 1:45 mark. Especially since when you factor in all of the new songs they will play plus the standards/hits from past albums, that barely leaves any time left for deeper cuts.
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When I saw them on The Resistance tour I commented I was happy to see them then as they still could play some stuff that was older and not a big hit. I fear that as time winds on their set is going to become extremely predictable and boring.
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Save Me and Liquid State are both top 3 or 4 songs on this album. In other words, more Chris please.
In general his slightly more straightforward approach helps to balance things out, and I think if Panic Station and maybe one other was swapped out for a Chris track as good as the two on the album this album would some prime Muse. As it stands it's definitely still a very nice return to form for them.
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I don't like Chris' voice that much. I prefer Matt's voice, by far. I feel like Save Me and Liquid State are two of the worst tracks on the album.
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I think if Panic Station and maybe one other was swapped out for a Chris track as good as the two on the album
As in, remove Panic Station?
SadJaffa.
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Black holes and Revelations
Absolution/Origin
The Resistance
2nd Law
Showbiz
Although Supremacy is easily a top 10 all time for me
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Black Holes
Origins of Symmetry
The 2nd Law/Absolution
Showbiz
The Resistance
Time will tell if 2nd Law gets placed above or below Absolution I think.
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No way should Panic Station be removed from this record.
Matt's voice is obviously better than Chris', but I still like Save Me quite a bit. To me, it's like when Brian May or Roger Taylor when sing lead on a Queen song; sure, Freddie had the better voice and was the lead singer, but that doesn't mean that the other guys couldn't sing lead well as well. Part of made Queen so awesome was not just Freddie's voice, but the other guys also singing lead and contributing to all of the vocal harmonies. If Muse is gonna go that route, with Chris singing the occasional lead vocal, I am fine with it. He has a pleasant-sounding voice, and it seems to fit their music well.
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No way should Panic Station be removed from this record.
Matt's voice is obviously better than Chris', but I still like Save Me quite a bit. To me, it's like when Brian May or Roger Taylor when sing lead on a Queen song; sure, Freddie had the better voice and was the lead singer, but that doesn't mean that the other guys couldn't sing lead well as well. Part of made Queen so awesome was not just Freddie's voice, but the other guys also singing lead and contributing to all of the vocal harmonies. If Muse is gonna go that route, with Chris singing the occasional lead vocal, I am fine with it. He has a pleasant-sounding voice, and it seems to fit their music well.
Agreed with all of this.
Panic Station is amazing.
And Chris has a really nice voice, especially in Save Me. I don't think he's right for the more rocking songs though - Liquid State just feels really flat to me, like the ideas are unfinished. I think it could have been a big song with Matt on vocals, but as it is it's pretty dull.
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Panic Station is amazing.
:tup
Liquid State just feels really flat to me
:tdwn
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I still have some mixed feelings on the first 5 or 6 tracks, but from then on this album is flat out amazing, including Unsustainable.
/holyfuckdidNickjustsaythatlastpart?
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I still have some mixed feelings on the first 5 or 6 tracks, but from then on this album is flat out amazing, including Unsustainable.
/holyfuckdidNickjustsaythatlastpart?
While it's awesome that you are digging Unsustainable, you fail for your opinion on the first few tracks. Follow Me isn't great, but Supremacy through to Survival is great!
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Did anybody see them on SNL?! They sounded great.
Panic Station and Liquid State are my faves.
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^^ I actually was going to post about this. Muse is band that I'm not familiar with, that I tried to dig into but never got there. The first song I heard from them was on SNL, and it was Madness. Great song. Now I want to try and get into their stuff.
So typical noobie question, but where should I start! Song suggestions, albums, etc.
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So typical noobie question, but where should I start! Song suggestions, albums, etc.
Showbiz if you like Alt-Rock/Grunge
I really like The Resistance and Black Holes and Revelations. Listen to all three parts of the Exogenesis Symphony if you're feeling symphonic, but I really enjoy all of The Resistance.
I don't know too much of their other stuff either, so I can't say I know their best stuff
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^^ I actually was going to post about this. Muse is band that I'm not familiar with, that I tried to dig into but never got there. The first song I heard from them was on SNL, and it was Madness. Great song. Now I want to try and get into their stuff.
So typical noobie question, but where should I start! Song suggestions, albums, etc.
I think Origin of Symmetry is a great start.
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Origin of Symmetry
Absolution
Black Holes and Revelations
Start with any or all of those. Any other suggestions are incorrect. :)
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Liquid State sounds like a bad Foo Fighters song to me
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I like Liquid State but it is very Foo Fighters-ish.
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I never understand why, when someone asks for recommendations, people just post their own favourite albums. :lol
Accelerando, if you like Madness, then you might dig Muse's more recent output; not that it's all like that, but sound and style-wise a lot of it is quite accessible. Black Holes & Revelations could be a good starting point for you, or try their latest The 2nd Law, which is a bit more experiemental.
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so...people like the album hey?! nice to see.
visited this thread shortly after the leak and seen a shit ton of hatred. like, 17 of the first 19 people to hear it a respond ripped on it.
shit, i started playing it as i was reading (with allofasudden low expectations) but liked it from the first listen.
...about 8 spins in now. no complaints here.
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I never understand why, when someone asks for recommendations, people just post their own favourite albums. :lol
Agreed. However, in the case of my recommendations, my favorites are also the highest rated/most popular. :tup :tup
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I never understand why, when someone asks for recommendations, people just post their own favourite albums. :lol
Same, it's rather annoying. I generally won't recommend an album I dislike, but for those that I like I try and pick a combination of the most popular or accessible.
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Yeah, usually I go through each album with a short description and leave it up to the one who asked to decide which to start with.
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^^ I actually was going to post about this. Muse is band that I'm not familiar with, that I tried to dig into but never got there. The first song I heard from them was on SNL, and it was Madness. Great song. Now I want to try and get into their stuff.
So typical noobie question, but where should I start! Song suggestions, albums, etc.
The 2nd Law's a good shout. Big, diverse, with lots of very striking songs which should, likely, hit you like Madness did. It's a very new album, not two weeks old, so reactions are a little unsettled at the moment. I don't know how fair an overview I can give you, or how likely it is that anyone who's not a massive Muse fan will like it. But it's the album with Madness on, and it's got a lot of rock songs, a lot of electronic songs, and I have a lot of fun listening to it. Hopefully, you will too.
Alternatively, Black Holes and Revelations is probably the next closest. Fourth album, widely considered to be among their best (but not so often their very best), and again very diverse. Sort of space-western theme to it from track seven onwards. I'd think, if you liked Madness, you'd stand a good chance at liking Starlight, Supermassive Black Hole or Map of the Problematique - and again, it's a very immediately striking album, which a couple of their albums aren't so much, so it might have a better chance of getting you into the band.
And I'll also vouch for The Resistance. It's like a sort of milder 2nd Law. Not as amazing as the above albums either side of it, but it's eleven pretty cool songs. Very safe album to start with. Mild-er, as opposed to mild, because it still ranges from glam rock T-Rex style calls-to-arms to Orwellian piano-rockers about Europe and Asia uniting to control the world, and it culminates in a three-part symphony about leaving the planet. But if The 2nd Law is Muse turned up to eleven, The Resistance is them dialled down to... oh, eight or so? That might be good, though. Might make it a very effective entry drug. And, again, there are songs that don't match, but are in a similar vein to Madness, which is true of the above two (one has a song that's identical) and not at all of the three below.
Of the other three:
- Absolution's full of cracking songs but it's too dense.
- Origin's great, and it's a grower that you should definitely get eventually... but it's a little difficult to absorb in places, and never sounds anything like Madness. The band's Awake.
- Showbiz is their first album and offers a very primordial view of what Muse is.
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I think I would really like this album if all the songs were in the vein of Save Me or Animals.
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The new album kicks ass.
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Er, from what I've seen, it's always seemed half and half. A lot of people love it. I think the only good songs on it are Take A Bow, Map Of The Problematique, and Knights Of Cydonia. The rest always sounded like filler to me.
But, ... but... City Of Delusion :(
Ruined by some random-ass horn section. Relistening to BH&R right now, and yeah, I still just don't see how this album is good. Map Of The Problematique is still a top 5 Muse song, but the rest, ugh. Supermassive Black Hole is absolutely terrible, and everything from track 5 to track 10 ruins itself by either droning on and on, or having some random noises/spaghetti western themes going on in them that just don't work for me. Only Knights... makes the western motif work.
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The 2nd Law's a good shout. Big, diverse, with lots of very striking songs which should, likely, hit you like Madness did. It's a very new album, not two weeks old, so reactions are a little unsettled at the moment. I don't know how fair an overview I can give you, or how likely it is that anyone who's not a massive Muse fan will like it. But it's the album with Madness on, and it's got a lot of rock songs, a lot of electronic songs, and I have a lot of fun listening to it. Hopefully, you will too.
Alternatively, Black Holes and Revelations is probably the next closest. Fourth album, widely considered to be among their best (but not so often their very best), and again very diverse. Sort of space-western theme to it from track seven onwards. I'd think, if you liked Madness, you'd stand a good chance at liking Starlight, Supermassive Black Hole or Map of the Problematique - and again, it's a very immediately striking album, which a couple of their albums aren't so much, so it might have a better chance of getting you into the band.
And I'll also vouch for The Resistance. It's like a sort of milder 2nd Law. Not as amazing as the above albums either side of it, but it's eleven pretty cool songs. Very safe album to start with. Mild-er, as opposed to mild, because it still ranges from glam rock T-Rex style calls-to-arms to Orwellian piano-rockers about Europe and Asia uniting to control the world, and it culminates in a three-part symphony about leaving the planet. But if The 2nd Law is Muse turned up to eleven, The Resistance is them dialled down to... oh, eight or so? That might be good, though. Might make it a very effective entry drug. And, again, there are songs that don't match, but are in a similar vein to Madness, which is true of the above two (one has a song that's identical) and not at all of the three below.
Of the other three:
- Absolution's full of cracking songs but it's too dense.
- Origin's great, and it's a grower that you should definitely get eventually... but it's a little difficult to absorb in places, and never sounds anything like Madness. The band's Awake.
- Showbiz is their first album and offers a very primordial view of what Muse is.
As always, incredibly well-said. :tup :tup
My only beef with The Resistance is it lags in the middle of the CD. The first four and last four songs are all really good, but Guiding Light and MK Ultra are pretty forgettable, and Unnatural Selection, despite starting great, loses its way once it slows down. Like I've said before, I think they tried to do another Citizen Erased with that song, but failed. Should have kept it rocking all of the way through. But I Belong to You is still one of their most underrated songs ever. :coolio
Relistening to BH&R right now, and yeah, I still just don't see how this album is good. Map Of The Problematique is still a top 5 Muse song, but the rest, ugh. Supermassive Black Hole is absolutely terrible, and everything from track 5 to track 10 ruins itself by either droning on and on, or having some random noises/spaghetti western themes going on in them that just don't work for me. Only Knights... makes the western motif work.
I have no words for how much I disagree with this. But to each his own. :)
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But there are people out there who like things I don't like and and it makes me argnasjfahfuagefugfsa!
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Checking out Origin of Symmetry now since that seems to be the most recommended. Really liking New Born :metal
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After a couple of listens, I'm still absorbing it but really digging this album so far. They aren't coming to Denver, though, and I don't quite think I like it enough to travel to see them...
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I never understand why, when someone asks for recommendations, people just post their own favourite albums. :lol
Agreed. However, in the case of my recommendations, my favorites are also the highest rated/most popular. :tup :tup
Oh definitely, at least among the old school fans, but yeah same point I suppose - the most popular ones aren't necessarily the ones a particular person will like.
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I tend to find that in pretty much all media, the fan favourites are rarely the most newcomer-friendly, and that only multiplies as you go deeper and deeper into message-boards and insular fan societies and so on and so forth. Connoisseurs tend to gravitate to the more challenging stuff.
We on this website, for instance, are pretty close to the top of Dream Theater's pyramid of nerdiness, and as our breadth tapers off to a fine point, so does Awake massively increase in popularity. Pretty much all albums tend to get re-evaluated, more often increasing in favour as time passes, but even within that, dear Papa Cronos tends to favour the dense, moody, "listen to this for two years and you might finally 'get' it" albums over the more vibrant caffeine shots. Poll Scarred versus Forsaken on DTF.org, for instance, and Scarred is likely to win by miles. Poll it on Last.FM, and the result is quite likely to skew the other way (https://www.last.fm/music/Dream+Theater/+charts?rangetype=6month&subtype=tracks).
An album like Origin of Symmetry, likewise. I went for years just liking a couple of tracks before it eventually caught me on a good day, and I went "Actually, this is pretty darned good." Heck, I saw Citizen Erased live and it still didn't manage to squeeze a snifter of emotion out of me - just felt like another of those samey, meandering Origin songs. They might as well have been playing Space Dementia. (Which I also love now - funny how things change!)
I'd say I like Origin more than the Resistance nowadays, certainly did when I tried to rank them a few days ago, and the fanbase definitely does, but to get someone into the band? Wouldn't think it's the easiest sell. The Resistance is striking, it's immediate. It lashes, and crashes, and rolls. That kind of thing, while it wears off in the long run, is invaluable to a new fan. Once you're hooked, you'll be more persuaded to forgive the trickier stuff. More likely to keep coming back to the albums that might not always work straight off the bat. But I think it's very important that a starter album has, regardless of any depth or enduring quality or meticulously crafted atmosphere that swells up on repeated listens, lots and lots of surface character. If it has the other things, great, but a lot of fan favourites tend to include some tougher-skinned albums. From my own experience, I'd personally include Origin among those - but experiences do differ!
So, yes. To me, I'd say Origin vs. Resistance is like... Terria vs. Synchestra. Or like how I prefer Deadwing but I'd recommend a newcomer starts with In Absentia. Might not be a bad call, might be just what someone's looking for, but I wouldn't personally depend on it to leave an impression on a newbie.
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I did discover Dream Theater by asking for recommendations way back when (I think 2005ish is when i started listening to DT). Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence was the most recommended, and I fell in love with that album, and the band. I have many people come to me knowing that im a hardcore Alter Bridge fan asking me what album they should listen to first, and like many AB fans, always recommend Blackbird first.
So far, Origin of Symmetry has won me over. What fucking awesome album. Plug-In Baby, Bliss, New Born, and Space Dementia are so far the highlights. I've only had one spin of it, but I'm definitely going to listen to it more.
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And that's the flip side of recommending a tougher album. If you love Origin of Symmetry, you definitely love Muse.
Welcome aboard! It's going to be a cracking ride. Yes, those songs are brilliant. q:
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From my own experience, I'd personally include Origin among those - but experiences do differ!
Indeed. Citizen Erased was the first Muse song I ever knowingly heard, so I can personally vouch for its ability to hook some listeners. :metal
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If you love OOT, get Absolution, Black Holes and then stop from there. It only goes way downhill.
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If you love OOT, get Absolution, Black Holes and then stop from there. It only goes way downhill.
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Or you could just let him decide for himself, I mean The 2nd Law and Resolution are fucking awesome in some people's, including my opinion..
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You mean The Resistance?
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:lol
Yeah, you can tell I'm tired when I completely fuck up album titles. This also happens with Ghost Reveries, which usually becomes Ghost Revolutions or Ghost Revelations :lol
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The song that piqued his interest was Madness. He'll like the 2nd Law. And while The Resistance isn't quite up to the same lofty standards, it's a perfectly pleasant listen in its own right. It'll be fine.
From my own experience, I'd personally include Origin among those - but experiences do differ!
Indeed. Citizen Erased was the first Muse song I ever knowingly heard, so I can personally vouch for its ability to hook some listeners. :metal
Good! Excellent. Brilliant song!
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I'll be the first one to tell you not to miss out on Showbiz, which has some of the catchiest songs I've ever heard. It's very accessible and less progressive than their later works, but that's the beauty of it - its simplicity.
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Let me preface with I am not a huge Muse fan, I like them but to me they are just good, not great. Thats aid, I went into this album with a bit of worry after hearing/reading lots of mixed reviews. I gave it a spin when it first came out and decided i needed to devote a bit more time/listens to it. Then the new Between The Buried and Me and As I lay Dying albums came out & thats all I have been listening to the past 2 weeks. So late last night I gave a listen again to the Muse album and again on my run this morning. I guess I am still on the fence about it but I will admit it is growing on me. Now bact to BTBAM .
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From my own experience, I'd personally include Origin among those - but experiences do differ!
Indeed. Citizen Erased was the first Muse song I ever knowingly heard, so I can personally vouch for its ability to hook some listeners. :metal
Good! Excellent. Brilliant song!
Definitely.
And for the record, I didn't mean to come across as argumentative. Just commenting on the uniqueness of experiences.
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They ran out of riffs a few albums back and have now totally lost it. A shame. Still, 2 1/2 fantastic albums, and that's more than we get from most bands.
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Nah, Muse doesn't need riffs to be good.
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Can someone explain to me why their newer albums apparently suck?
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Can someone explain to me why their newer albums apparently suck?
(Aside from their older songs played on the radio) I've only heard The 2nd Law. It's not bad at all. I really dig the Queen-ish qualities of Survival + Madness, Survival's really ought to be a James Bond song, and Panic Station's way groovier and dance-able than I'd expect from a prog-influenced alt-band. I didn't find the rest as memorable, but it's all good enough to make me get around to listen to the other Muse albums lying around my hard-drive.
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Can someone explain to me why their newer albums apparently suck?
It's simple:
They don't.
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Can someone explain to me why their newer albums apparently suck?
It's simple:
They don't.
Correct. The 2nd Law is awesome. However, for the most part The Resistance does pretty much blow.
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Correct. The 2nd Law is awesome. However, for the most part The Resistance does pretty much blow.
What's wrong with The Resistance? I've found the majority of the songs overwhelmingly strong.
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Agreed. Like I said before, the middle of it is pretty average, but there are four or five really good songs on it, and then a few other good ones. Okay, there is nothing I would call a top tier Muse song, but so what?
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I enjoy The Resistance whenever I listen to it, I just don't feel compelled to do so very often. It's all pretty middle-of-the-pack for me.
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I'd say it's better than Showbiz, but that's about it.
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I pretty much agree with Kev, although I think I like the album overall probably a bit more. But yeah it starts and ends very strongly, but there are a couple of songs in the middle that are less interesting, plus there's Guiding Light which is just horrible.
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I wasn't a massive fan of the last two albums but I sure don't think they're as terrible as lots of people make them out to be
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Too be fair The Resistance isn't "terrible", but after two really good tracks and one absolutely stunning one the album ranges from meh to uninteresting and makes listening past Undisclosed Desires completely pointless.
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I really don't like the first two tracks, but I really like Undisclosed Desires, United States of Eurasia, I Belong to You, and Exogenesis Symphony.
So I guess my sneaking suspicions were correct. I just like what everyone else doesn't.
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Listening to their last 4 albums, I really get a sense that these guys are truly the modern-day progressive rockers - each album changes slightly more so with each release - something is new or different, and each song tends to sound more different than the last on each album. All the songs have character, and they don't suffer from sounding all the same.
This is a band with a lot of growth, and while their changes may not appeal to all, one can at least try to appreciate what it is they are doing - progressing. Their growing, changing sound is something that I can liken to prog bands of the 70's. They started out with some more straight-forward stuff, riff-y songs, more pop-like things, then move on to more experimental sounds and instruments and instrumentation, arrangements and forms.
What interests me the most about The Resistance and The 2nd Law is that they aren't Absolution and Black Holes & Revelations rehashed. Sure, they could pump out a dozen singles that sound like "Supermassive Black Hole" and be chart-toppers for a couple more albums, or they can make more interesting music that doesn't back-step on their catalog. In some ways, they're kind of like Rush in that they seem to be making music that pleases THEM, and it shows in that a lot of fans of their older material are starting to fall away from the band because they're not who they used to be, or release the kind of Muse-music they made back during their first 3 or 4 albums.
But it is for THAT reason that I enjoy them, appreciate them, and applaud them for doing what makes THEM happy.
-Marc.
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An album that has Exogenesis symphony and Unnatural selection can't be bad. It's still my least favorite Muse record, though...
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I actually really like The Resistance from start to finish, i'm not a huge fan of the 2nd Law but I really appreciate how each album is different and like a previous poster has said, progressive.
Some of the genres they play around with do show their shortcomings for me e.g Panic Stations. I know that there a lot of people on this board that absolutely love this song.
It fuses elements of funk with rock and I can hear the appeal but its just that I have heard this done so much better by other artists
There are some good bits but it comes across as a band that just does not have the feel for that style.
To be honest I do admire anyone who has a go instead of playing it safe, so in that sense well done Muse for taking the risk.
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I've borrowed my brother's copy, so far, it's really quite cool. Follow Me is good!
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The Resistance >> The 2nd Law
That is all.
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The 2nd Law >> The Resistance
That is all.
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Having listened to The 2nd Law in full for the first time as of just now, I can say that, first off, Chris is a great vocalist! He definitely adds a more mellow, almost jazzy feel to the songs he sings on. As far as it goes comparing The Resistance to The 2nd Law, I would say that The Resistance just feels like a more solid, complete album. I'll have to listen to The 2nd Law a few more times to really form my opinion, but that is what it is now.
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Just heard Follow Me. I enjoyed it good.
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It's continuing to grow on me. Animals and Big Freeze is great.
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Saw these guys yesterday and they blew my mind. :hefdaddy
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/muse/2012/papp-laszlo-sportarena-budapest-hungary-73dae601.html
This was the set list. I gotta say, I loved the new songs, The 2nd Law ended up to be one of my favorite Muse albums and an extremely pleasant surprise, so it was great to hear the new stuff, it worked incredibly well. Sunburn was quite a surprise as well.
The only remotely disappointing moment was the bit when roulette showed up on the screens, it started spinning, and it was either Stockholm Syndrome or New born to be played. Unfortunately, I didn't get to hear my favorite Muse song live, but better luck next time. ;D
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The consensus on The 2nd Law is turning out to be... enormously positive. Certainly wherever I've looked. I'm sure there are people on the official Muse sites who hate it, but hey - they're not satisfied unless an album sounds like Origin of Symmetry.
Because, truth be told, I was a little worried about this one. I love it to bits, I think it's an absolutely cracking album - I'm listening to it right now, in fact - but that doesn't always transfer into popularity. Survival and Unsustainable were tricky sells, and Madness didn't sound much like anything Muse had yet done, either. I spent weeks baffled by Survival. It's my favourite song on the album, now, and one of the Muse songs that benefits the most from the volume being cranked all the way up, but it'd be easy to dismiss as nonsense, off the bat, and I think that's true of a lot of the 2nd Law. It's a fascinating album, though. I can't not listen to it - and it got under my skin so quickly. Songs where I was going "Alright, what have they done here?" sometimes became "Oh, wow!" before they'd so much as finished. Madness is a good example.
So glad the gig was brilliant, Mladen. I think Muse are way out of my price range, nowadays, so I've been watching them through YouTube. It looks utterly stellar. Particular love for the little creatures in the Panic Station visuals. I was never entirely convinced by the Resistance pillars, but this setup looks golden. Did they do the roulette thing before New Born?
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Yep, right before New born. It's funny how they watched the screens and waited to actually find out what they were going to play. I love both tracks, but dang, I was praying for Stockholm syndrome. ;D
And yeah, the tickets were extremely pricey, but thankfully I could afford them. Not to mention that I was particularly motivated by the fact that Muse is my best discovery of the year. It was my first time seeing them, and hopefully not the last time.
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I saw them on monday and it was definetely the best show I've ever seen. (Not quite the best concert, but still really awesome. And the visuals where stunning!!! :tup ). However, I thought they were pretty cheap for an arena act. Tickets for big concerts in the venue they were playing here are usually at least 60€, and the most expensive tickets for Muse were "only" 50 €. (which is still a lot, of course)
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So I'm finally giving this album a try and it's way better than I expected, other than the terrible Olympics theme song. I was listening to a few of the songs on google hangouts with a friend and he said he isn't too keen on Muse when they do dubstep, now I'm crap with genres but I wondered if anyone has any recommendations for songs/albums that are similar to the kinda stuff Muse are doing on Unsustainable. Animals definitely my favourite song on the album after a day's listening.
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I used to be a massive Muse fan back in the day when OOS was released btw, saw them live a few times and basically listened to them all the way through my adolescence. But The Resistance was such an epic disappointment I stopped following them for a bit. Though to be fair, MK Ultra and the Exogenesis Symphony are fantastic. I still think I'll always prefer OOS/Absolution era Muse though. Either way they're an incredible band and one of those bands that'll have a really special place in my heart forever.
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I love The 2nd Law a lot more after a few months of listening now than what I did after it was first released. It really clicked for me. Explorers, Big Freeze, Panic Station, and Madness are definitely my favorites. I'll hopefully be catching them either in Cleveland or Detroit next month.
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Animals is the best song in the record, and also much better than anything found in The Resistance.
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Animals is incredible, but I think MK Ultra wins for me. That song just strikes such a deep chord with me for some reason, everything about it is beautiful. I can listen to it on repeat for a few hours and still find myself feeling like I need to hear more of it. Animals probably has more of a deeply emotional connection for me, but I just dig the guitar tone in the intro, the verses, the chorus, everything... The Resistance on a whole was proper disappointing, though. I'm glad to find some stuff on 2nd Law I adore as I've had a few years off from Muse but listening to them brings back everything I loved about them as a teenager.
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Hyper Chondriac Music is always gonna be in my top 3 songs of all time (so far). Been listening to that song on a regular basis for about ten years now, and my closest friends all know it needs to go down at my funeral.
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So I'm finally giving this album a try and it's way better than I expected, other than the terrible Olympics theme song.
It grows. I swear, it grows. I wasn't sure, either, at first, but the whole album's brilliant.
Unsustainable is... kind of a one-off. It was their attempt at doing dubstep (or something called "brostep," I'm told?) with real instruments, specifically because they hadn't heard it done before. There might be other bands doing the same thing, out there, somewhere, but I fear they're doing it very quietly. I think Pendulum might be the closest thing to a similar vibe? Rock with synth instruments, they cross over in a few of the same ways, but Unsustainable's basically new.
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trippy. i was also just about to reply to the olympics theme dislike. i thought it was :tup from the first listen. but really, i thought the whole album was :metal from the first spin...if the album's a grower, its growing from stellar to superb.
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So I'm finally giving this album a try and it's way better than I expected, other than the terrible Olympics theme song.
It grows. I swear, it grows. I wasn't sure, either, at first, but the whole album's brilliant.
Unsustainable is... kind of a one-off. It was their attempt at doing dubstep (or something called "brostep," I'm told?) with real instruments, specifically because they hadn't heard it done before. There might be other bands doing the same thing, out there, somewhere, but I fear they're doing it very quietly. I think Pendulum might be the closest thing to a similar vibe? Rock with synth instruments, they cross over in a few of the same ways, but Unsustainable's basically new.
Aye I'm already well into Pendulum! Just wondered if there was anyone else doing similar...
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I don't think they've done anything to the level of Unsustainable before, but I think the closest to that sound you'd come is the album Origins of Symmetry.
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Yep, album's really grown on me too. It's so nice to like a new Muse album again. Last time was Absolution. :lol
And I also quite enjoWUBWUBWUBWUB--
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Ok, I'm finally listening to this. I'm on Madness, and it sounds a lot like I Want To Be Free by Queen to me.
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Yeah, and Panic Station is like 'Another one bites the dust', and Supremacy sounds like a James Bond theme tune, Animals and Follow Me sound like proper old Muse to me though.
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Since I am seeing Muse in 2+ weeks, I figured it was a good time to really engross myself into getting to know The 2nd Law (since it has never hooked me to the point where I listen to it non-stop for weeks, like what often happens with new albums I go crazy over), and I can now say that it is definitely very good. I probably would have liked it more initially had the first track been much better, but Supremacy is definitely one of the few meh songs on it (along with Liquid State and Unsustainable). But everything else is enjoyable as heck, and I look forward to seeing most of the new songs played live. :metal
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Since I am seeing Muse in 2+ weeks, I figured it was a good time to really engross myself into getting to know The 2nd Law (since it has never hooked me to the point where I listen to it non-stop for weeks, like what often happens with new albums I go crazy over), and I can now say that it is definitely very good. I probably would have liked it more initially had the first track been much better, but Supremacy is definitely one of the few meh songs on it (along with Liquid State and Unsustainable). But everything else is enjoyable as heck, and I look forward to seeing most of the new songs played live. :metal
But... but those are the three best songs on the album. :sad:
Though I do agree that the album has only gotten better in time. Totally makes up for the last two albums.
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I must say that Explorers is one hell of a song :tup
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Yeah, that's a gorgeous ballad. I see people left and right comparing it to Invincible, but I think Explorers is miles ahead of it, what a truly fantastic song!
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It's certainly a better album than I first thought, but I wish the parts that are supposed to be heavy were actually... heavy. It sounds way too polished, with none of the rawness of their first three albums.
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Yeah, that's a gorgeous ballad. I see people left and right comparing it to Invincible, but I think Explorers is miles ahead of it, what a truly fantastic song!
This! I see the one little moment where it's similar to Invincible but first of all that moment is good even in Invincible despite how mediocre that songs is and in Explorers the most beautiful parts are those awesome verses... But everything else is great too it's simply amazing song
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Since I am seeing Muse in 2+ weeks, I figured it was a good time to really engross myself into getting to know The 2nd Law (since it has never hooked me to the point where I listen to it non-stop for weeks, like what often happens with new albums I go crazy over), and I can now say that it is definitely very good. I probably would have liked it more initially had the first track been much better, but Supremacy is definitely one of the few meh songs on it (along with Liquid State and Unsustainable). But everything else is enjoyable as heck, and I look forward to seeing most of the new songs played live. :metal
But... but those are the three best songs on the album. :sad:
Though I do agree that the album has only gotten better in time. Totally makes up for the last two albums.
The last two albums? Black Holes and Revelations is their best album!!!
And I can't fathom calling Liquid State one of the best songs on the album. I just can't. Of the two songs Chris Wolstenholme sings, Save Me is by far the better of the two.
I must say that Explorers is one hell of a song :tup
It sure is. Explorers, Panic Station, Animals and Isolated System are my favorites....right now. And I am digging Survival now a lot, as well as Follow Me, Save Me, Madness, etc. Gah, good songs everywhere!!!!!!!! :)
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Isolated Systems was just... such a bad way to close out the album. I'll be honest when I say that it's probably my least favorite on the album, but as a finish/finale, it's just weaksauce.
Love the album though, chock full of some great songs, just wish the track order was fiddled with a bit.
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It feels weird, doesn't it? Like the disc sort of whimpers out. Completely agree that the whole album is a little funky, structurally - thirteen tracks, but Matt stops singing words somewhere around track nine. I think we were talking about rearranging the album somewhere up-thread. Quite like them closing with Survival, like they do live. Might've been an idea.
Since I am seeing Muse in 2+ weeks, I figured it was a good time to really engross myself into getting to know The 2nd Law (since it has never hooked me to the point where I listen to it non-stop for weeks, like what often happens with new albums I go crazy over), and I can now say that it is definitely very good. I probably would have liked it more initially had the first track been much better, but Supremacy is definitely one of the few meh songs on it (along with Liquid State and Unsustainable). But everything else is enjoyable as heck, and I look forward to seeing most of the new songs played live. :metal
But... but those are the three best songs on the album. :sad:
Though I do agree that the album has only gotten better in time. Totally makes up for the last two albums.
The last two albums? Black Holes and Revelations is their best album!!!
And I can't fathom calling Liquid State one of the best songs on the album. I just can't. Of the two songs Chris Wolstenholme sings, Save Me is by far the better of the two.
I must say that Explorers is one hell of a song :tup
It sure is. Explorers, Panic Station, Animals and Isolated System are my favorites....right now. And I am digging Survival now a lot, as well as Follow Me, Save Me, Madness, etc. Gah, good songs everywhere!!!!!!!! :)
Almost every single word of this post, including the BHAR stuff - yes!! Big time.
I've been learning Explorers on piano lately. So much fun.
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Madness sounds a lot like I Want To Be Free by Queen to me.
Yeah, and Panic Station is like 'Another one bites the dust', and Supremacy sounds like a James Bond theme tune, Animals and Follow Me sound like proper old Muse to me though.
Ya! But I love that album. Especially least two mentioned.
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Isolated Systems was just... such a bad way to close out the album. I'll be honest when I say that it's probably my least favorite on the album, but as a finish/finale, it's just weaksauce.
I do agree that it would have been better in a different spot - it sounds like a great middle of an album song - but judging the song on its own, out of the context of the album, it is just a fantastic tune!
I've been learning Explorers on piano lately. So much fun.
Nice. It still reminds me a bit of Queen's Don't Stop Me Now, but I actually like the frequent nods to Queen on the last few albums. It's no wonder they are so huge in the UK, as the people over there loved Queen to death, and they love Muse to death as well. :tup :tup
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Muse absolutely slayed tonight. As expected.
The 2nd Law: Unsustainable
Supremacy
Supermassive Black Hole
Panic Station
Resistance
Hysteria
Knights of Cydonia (with a Harmonica intro)
Monty Jam
Explorers
Follow Me
Sunburn
Liquid State
Madness
Undisclosed Desires
Time Is Running Out
Stockholm Syndrome
The 2nd Law: Isolated System
Uprising
(Extended outro)
Encore:
Starlight
Survival
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I saw them last night in Minneapolis. It was one of the best concerts I've been to.
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Everything about it was awesome.
Matt Bellamy has become an even better frontman than he was before. Having the extra guy on stage to do a lot of the keyboard and even guitar work on occasion really frees him up to move around and work the crowd, which he is great at.
And say what you want about The 2nd Law, but most of those songs sound like were written to play live, and most of them slayed in a live setting. Unsustainable sounds like a big pile of cheese on record, but as the show opener, it was great. I love how so many of their songs rock hard while also having that dance feel. That is not easy to pull off, but they manage to do it. :coolio
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I agree, The 2nd Law songs worked fantastic live, especially Unsustainable. :metal
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Unsustainable sounds like a big pile of cheese on record, but as the show opener, it was great.
Unsustainable sounds like one of my favorite songs from the album on record and as show opener it sounds even better it's awesome very different for Muse but really awesome
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Its weird seeing Knights of Cydonia in the middle of the set like that. It definitely has that opener or closer feel to it. Bummer they didn't play Save Me but it looks like it was a fun night regardless!
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Wow, nothing from Origins?
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Seriously. Just ignoring their best album like that.
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It didn't matter. The pacing of the set list was immaculate, and I even get why they are playing Liquid State (which I think is a pretty ordinary song)...it gives Chris Wolstenholme the opportunity to be front and center, singing lead, while Bellamy hangs back there with Dominic Howard for a few minutes.
But it looks like New Born and Stockholm Syndrome are rotating night to night (a roulette thing on the screen picks which song will be played every night), and Plug In Baby is still getting played very often, so it is not like they are ignoring Origin... on this tour. It just didn't get anything played last night. And like I said, it didn't matter. :metal
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The setlist really was well-paced. It was one song after another. And even with Knights of Cydonia in the middle, the energy never let up.
Kev, what'd you think of the opening act, Dead Sara? We liked the song Weatherman of course, but the lead singer was a bitch
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It didn't matter. The pacing of the set list was immaculate, and I even get why they are playing Liquid State (which I think is a pretty ordinary song)...it gives Chris Wolstenholme the opportunity to be front and center, singing lead, while Bellamy hangs back there with Dominic Howard for a few minutes.
But it looks like New Born and Stockholm Syndrome are rotating night to night (a roulette thing on the screen picks which song will be played every night), and Plug In Baby is still getting played very often, so it is not like they are ignoring Origin... on this tour. It just didn't get anything played last night. And like I said, it didn't matter. :metal
Still either Citizen Erased or Micro Cuts would've been killer.
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I like the band that is opening for them on this tour more than Muse. (Biffy Clyro)
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The setlist really was well-paced. It was one song after another. And even with Knights of Cydonia in the middle, the energy never let up.
Kev, what'd you think of the opening act, Dead Sara? We liked the song Weatherman of course, but the lead singer was a bitch
They were pretty good. Weatherman obviously stood out as the one really good tune.
And Knights of Cydonia is awesome no matter where they put it in the set list. Definitely one of the best live songs ever, by any band. :metal :metal
Still either Citizen Erased or Micro Cuts would've been killer.
Well, sure, but when a concert is that awesome, I am not gonna pick nits over not playing this song or that song. Hell, they didn't play New Born when I first saw them back in '06, and I didn't care then either.
But I will reiterate what I have said in this thread before, and that is the drawback to them being so popular and having so many must-play "hits" now is by the time they play all of the new songs they want to, plus the must-plays, that doesn't leave a lot of room for deep cuts from the earlier albums. Some may quibble over them still not playing long shows (the one the other night was just shy of two hours), but I'll take quality over quantity any day of the week. As time goes on, we are likely to see some of those concert favorites start getting played less. From the looks of set lists on this tour, Plug In Baby and Hysteria, two live mainstays for a long time, are already being given nights off, and as they accumulate more albums and more hits, old concert favorites are likely to be given more frequent rests.
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As time goes on, we are likely to see some of those concert favorites start getting played less. From the looks of set lists on this tour, Plug In Baby and Hysteria, two live mainstays for a long time, are already being given nights off, and as they accumulate more albums and more hits, old concert favorites are likely to be given more frequent rests.
I think this is for the best, though. I've had ten years' opportunity to watch them play Hysteria, and it's not like they're an archive band, it's not like they've diminished in relevance since Absolution. Quite the opposite. This is a band who slay live whatever they're playing, with a back catalogue that ages slower than most - they could release Hysteria today and it'd make waves - but as they continue to release new albums, the list of compulsory classics is continuing to grow at the same rate as the rest of their discography. At some point, they're going to have to ask, "Is it really that important that we play Time is Running Out tonight?"* Something's got to give eventually - a setlist based on endless growth is unsuzztain-unsuzztain-unsuzz.
*That's not a trick question - the answer is usually going to be yes! They're a band with a broad appeal and a lot of casual fans, and TiRO continues to unite rooms of thousands. For most gigs in their foreseeable future, that's totally the right choice. But at some point, eventually, they're going to want to play City of Delusion, or Showbiz, or Space Dementia, and I'm not convinced the umpteen-hundredth live rendition of TiRO, or Uprising or Starlight will always be too big to sacrifice.
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Agreed, for the most part. But Time Is Running Out is such a huge crowd pleaser as well as a big crowd participation song, that it is hard to not play it. But as time goes on, and they accumulate more songs like that, it will make it easier to leave a few out, while still playing others. Hell, from the last two albums, Uprising and Madness are two massive crowd pleasers/participation tunes, so as the list of them continues to grow, leaving out more of the older ones that have been played to death over the years will be easier to leave off some shows per tour, or even whole tours altogether. Like I said the other day, Plug In Baby and Hysteria are already getting the rotation treatment this tour, so that is a sign of things to come. Especially when you consider that New Born and Stockholm Syndrome, two live MONSTERS, are getting the roulette treatment this tour, meaning only one of them gets played at every show.
Also, from the looks of things, our show looks to be one of the few where Animals hasn't been played so far this year. But again, no complaints from me.
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BTW, we had talked a while back about how Isolated System would have been better as a middle of an album track rather than the closer, so taking that into account, along with my opinion that Survival should have been the album closer, how is this for a slight reworking of the track order:
1. Supremacy
2. Madness
3. Panic Station
4. Animals
5. Explorers
6. Unsustainable
7. Isolated System
8. Follow Me
9. Save Me
10. Liquid State
11. Big Freeze
12. Survival (with Prelude...no need to separate them)
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The 2nd Law (Subtitle here) songs really would have worked better as an interlude That's my only real problem with the album. Liquid State should have been twice as long and been at the end. :metal
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Nah, a rocker like Liquid State would have worn out its welcome if it were longer.
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BTW, we had talked a while back about how Isolated System would have been better as a middle of an album track rather than the closer, so taking that into account, along with my opinion that Survival should have been the album closer, how is this for a slight reworking of the track order:
1. Supremacy
2. Madness
3. Panic Station
4. Animals
5. Explorers
6. Unsustainable
7. Isolated System
8. Follow Me
9. Save Me
10. Liquid State
11. Big Freeze
12. Survival (with Prelude...no need to separate them)
Looks pretty good to me!
I went for this in October...
1. Unsustainable, 2. Madness, 3. Panic Station, 4. Follow Me, 5. Animals, 6. Save Me, 7. Liquid State, 8. Big Freeze, 9. Explorers, 10. Prelude, 11. Survival
...with no idea where to put Supremacy and Isolated System. Now, I think I'd go for...
1. Unsustainable
2. Madness
3. Panic Station
4. Animals
5. Save Me
6. Isolated System
7. Supremacy
8. Follow Me
9. Liquid State
10. Big Freeze
11. Explorers
12. Prelude
13. Survival
So you've got Isolated System closing off the first half, and then Supremacy kicks it back up and never really lets go. Probably a few too many dense tracks towards the top, though? Animals, Save Me and Isolated System are far too high up the tracklisting.
Oh! How about this?
1. Unsustainable
2. Madness
3. Panic Station
4. Prelude
5. Survival
6. Explorers
7. Isolated System
8. Follow Me
9. Animals
10. Big Freeze
11. Liquid State
12. Save Me
13. Supremacy
Supremacy could definitely be a closer, with the way that last chord trails off. I feel like Isolated System needs to end something, but I think it's more of an "End of Part One" than an "End of this album." It doesn't really start or end in a way that makes it easy to connect to any of the other songs - my best attempt, is I've chosen for the last ringing note to go into the Follow Me heartbeat, and now the ringing piano comes in straight after Explorers. Frankly, though, it's a bastard of an album to balance. Whatever my issues with the way they structured it, it's not like they were spoiled for choice.
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Nah, a rocker like Liquid State would have worn out its welcome if it were longer.
Worn out its welcome? It barely got started by the time it was over!
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I'm fine with its length. And I really enjoyed it live, it was interesting to see Chris at the very front of the stage and Matt hanging out in the background.
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Interesting order, rob. But I don't think Unsustainable would be a good album opener (good concert opener because of the way it begins, but not strong enough to open an album).
I will say this, too: I think Big Freeze has become my favorite song from The 2nd Law. Bellamy's lead guitar playing in the last minute and a half or so of the song, where he is channeling his inner Brian May, is some of my favorite playing of his ever. :tup :tup
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From the Panic Station video, to be released Monday:
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Amazing.
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I don't know wat's going on here, but I want to be part of it.
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Yay for silly videos. Hence, Panic Station:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4MvQ5N3usc
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dafuq did I just watch?
Whatever, it's nice that my favorite song off The 2nd Law got a video. ;D
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Caught them live yesterday!
Cut down set, but I got the tickets for free, so - hey! Free Muse!! Playing Uprising, outside, round the back of Downing Street, with politicians hanging out of the windows. Hell of a setting.
Only won them midday the day before. Total spur of the moment decision. Woke up Saturday morning without a single plan for the weekend. Arrived home Sunday night giddy on Muse-fumes. Oh, they are good, though.
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That video is amazing. :lol
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That's fantastic Rob!
I saw them last week at the Emirates Stadium, they still put on the best live show bar none. They're one of the very few bands that still, after seeing them live so many times, really excite me and make me feel like a kid again, singing along to every song and just losing myself in the insanity of the show. Loved it!
Oh and yeah, the Panic Station video is epic.
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Caught them live yesterday!
Cut down set, but I got the tickets for free, so - hey! Free Muse!! Playing Uprising, outside, round the back of Downing Street, with politicians hanging out of the windows. Hell of a setting.
Only won them midday the day before. Total spur of the moment decision. Woke up Saturday morning without a single plan for the weekend. Arrived home Sunday night giddy on Muse-fumes. Oh, they are good, though.
I was at the show as well! It was such a cool little gig - 45 minutes of fun (and a lot of pyro). First time I'd seen them live since Wembley 2010, and they're just as good as they've always been. One little complaint is that Matt doesn't play his guitar as much as I'd like, specifically in Starlight, where the 'heavy' sections lose a bit of their power as a result.
Apparently Paramount filmed the show for later release - here's a short clip of Follow Me that's already out https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GFmPgugecuE
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Possibly the best Muse gig ever. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8HCbzgSVA2A&t=2m15s)
Seriously. Completely jealous of everyone who was there. They played Can't Take My Eyes Off Of You, for christ's sake!! All amazing, but special mention to the fish, since she dances like Karl Pilkington.
Apparently it's been filmed for an eventual DVD release. I really hope it's the full gig and not just clips. The whole setlist is mental.
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Saw them in Denver last night. Killer show. On the one hand I really wish they would play for a little bit longer (an evening with would be awesome) but at the same time the setlist was great! I'm very glad they did this second leg and hit Denver because the 2nd Law is probably my favorite one they've done and I would have hated to miss a tour where they performed most of it. Just wish they did "Save Me".
The 2nd Law: Isolated System
Supremacy
Supermassive Black Hole
Hysteria
Panic Station
Resistance
Knights of Cydonia (with a Harmonica intro)
Monty Jam
Sunburn
Follow Me
Animals
Liquid State
Madness
Plug In Baby
Time Is Running Out
Unnatural Selection
Uprising
Encore:
The 2nd Law: Unsustainable
Starlight
Survival
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Holy shit, Unnatural selection! I wish they busted out that one when I saw them last year...
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They played in Rio last Saturday, at the Rock in Rio FEstival. The opening act was Florence + The Machine, which I like a lot. I didn´t go see them, but it was broadcast on cable around here, so I watched it at home. Great concerts!
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Saw them in Denver last night. Killer show. On the one hand I really wish they would play for a little bit longer (an evening with would be awesome) but at the same time the setlist was great! I'm very glad they did this second leg and hit Denver because the 2nd Law is probably my favorite one they've done and I would have hated to miss a tour where they performed most of it. Just wish they did "Save Me".
The 2nd Law: Isolated System
Supremacy
Supermassive Black Hole
Hysteria
Panic Station
Resistance
Knights of Cydonia (with a Harmonica intro)
Monty Jam
Sunburn
Follow Me
Animals
Liquid State
Madness
Plug In Baby
Time Is Running Out
Unnatural Selection
Uprising
Encore:
The 2nd Law: Unsustainable
Starlight
Survival
Oh shit, where were you sitting? I rocked the fuck out all night, but agree they need to play longer sets.
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I was on the left side of the stage fairly high up. 341 I believe. Or something like that.
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Ah ok, we were in 124
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It looks like Muse is releasing a live DVD/Blu-Ray next month, from their show at Rome Olympic Stadium, but they should be smacked in the face for what they did to the running order:
1. "Intro"
2. "Supremacy"
3. "Panic Station"
4. "Plug In Baby"
5. "Resistance"
6. "Animals"
7. "Knights of Cydonia"
8. "Explorers"
9. "Hysteria"
10. "Feeling Good"
11. "Follow Me"
12. "Madness"
13. "Time Is Running Out"
14. "Guiding Light"
15. "Undisclosed Desires"
16. "Supermassive Black Hole"
17. "Survival"
18. "The 2nd Law: Isolated System"
19. "Uprising"
20. "Starlight"
a. They left off Unsustainable, which WAS the opening song. Maybe they got the idea from U2, who did the same thing on their Rose Bowl DVD (left off the first song that was performed), but it is moronic.
b. No Stockholm Syndrome or New Born, which were rotated from show to show all tour. And SS was even played at the filmed show, but was cut! Unreal.
c. Guiding Light? Seriously? :lol :lol :lol
d. They left off Liquid State, which is not a song I am not crazy about, but it is a rare lead vocal from Chris Wolstenholme. And you leave it off the video even though it was actually played at the show you filmed?
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Everything about it was awesome.
Matt Bellamy has become an even better frontman than he was before. Having the extra guy on stage to do a lot of the keyboard and even guitar work on occasion really frees him up to move around and work the crowd, which he is great at.
And say what you want about The 2nd Law, but most of those songs sound like were written to play live, and most of them slayed in a live setting. Unsustainable sounds like a big pile of cheese on record, but as the show opener, it was great. I love how so many of their songs rock hard while also having that dance feel. That is not easy to pull off, but they manage to do it. :coolio
Yeah, that's how I determine if a song is good. It might sound crappy in the studio, but some songs just come alive in a live setting.
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https://www.gigwise.com/news/86362/muse-reveal-return-to-rock-sound-on-new-album
Muse have revealed plans for their next album, which is set to see the West Country trio return to their rock roots, following the experimental dubstep sounds of 2012 release, The 2nd Law.
The band have revealed tentative plans to release their next album in 2015, and have spoken of early plans for the record, in a new interview with Radio.com. Frontman Matt Bellamy reveals that despite the success of their more experimental releases, the band were keen to return to what they do best - stadium filling rock epics.
"The last two albums, we sort of veered away from our instruments a little bit," says Bellamy in the interview. "We sort of focused on things like synthesizers, drum machines and various electronics and stuff. I kind of feel like on this next album, we’re going to veer back towards musicianship again and focusing on our own instruments: guitar, bass and drums.
"It’s probably going to be a bit of a rawer album, and definitely a bit more rock, I’d say."
He also added, in true Muse style, that the album was likely to be a concept record, and may not be released in the usually manner.
"The main focus is we’re gonna record a bunch of music, probably a conceptual album of some kind, so it probably will be album length. But how we release it is up for debate," he adds, revealing that the new music is still at least a year away.
"The industry is moving so fast, you don’t really know… I don’t think we’ll be ready to put another album out until early 2015 or something, and I think around that time we’ll just look at what’s going on and make a judgement in the moment rather than thinking ahead, because things are changing so quickly."
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https://www.gigwise.com/news/86362/muse-reveal-return-to-rock-sound-on-new-album
Muse have revealed plans for their next album, which is set to see the West Country trio return to their rock roots, following the experimental dubstep sounds of 2012 release, The 2nd Law.
The band have revealed tentative plans to release their next album in 2015, and have spoken of early plans for the record, in a new interview with Radio.com. Frontman Matt Bellamy reveals that despite the success of their more experimental releases, the band were keen to return to what they do best - stadium filling rock epics.
"The last two albums, we sort of veered away from our instruments a little bit," says Bellamy in the interview. "We sort of focused on things like synthesizers, drum machines and various electronics and stuff. I kind of feel like on this next album, we’re going to veer back towards musicianship again and focusing on our own instruments: guitar, bass and drums.
"It’s probably going to be a bit of a rawer album, and definitely a bit more rock, I’d say."
He also added, in true Muse style, that the album was likely to be a concept record, and may not be released in the usually manner.
"The main focus is we’re gonna record a bunch of music, probably a conceptual album of some kind, so it probably will be album length. But how we release it is up for debate," he adds, revealing that the new music is still at least a year away.
"The industry is moving so fast, you don’t really know… I don’t think we’ll be ready to put another album out until early 2015 or something, and I think around that time we’ll just look at what’s going on and make a judgement in the moment rather than thinking ahead, because things are changing so quickly."
Funny how Rush have made a similar comment about the industry and the album format kind of being lost to the fast-paced speed of the industry and how Rush/Alex have talked about releasing as they write/record, and forego the album format.
Honestly, I wouldn't mind a couple EPs from Muse, one next year, one in 2015. But I fear if they do that, they could cash in and re-release the WHOLE album later on in 2015 and make some special edition.
At least they're working on new stuff and the prospect of the a return to rock roots has me excited!
-Marc.
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Shame about Unsustainable, Liquid state and Stockholm syndrome not being on the DVD, I would really like to have quality live versions of those. I'll still check out the release, and I'm also looking forward to their next studio album, although I'm surprised they're not continuing with their experimentation.
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c. Guiding Light? Seriously? :lol :lol :lol
Matt Bellamy loves it for some reason, but then loads of Muse fans I've spoken to also love it so that's cool I guess. I don't really understand, I personally find it pretty horrible. :lol
https://www.gigwise.com/news/86362/muse-reveal-return-to-rock-sound-on-new-album
Muse have revealed plans for their next album, which is set to see the West Country trio return to their rock roots, following the experimental dubstep sounds of 2012 release, The 2nd Law.
The band have revealed tentative plans to release their next album in 2015, and have spoken of early plans for the record, in a new interview with Radio.com. Frontman Matt Bellamy reveals that despite the success of their more experimental releases, the band were keen to return to what they do best - stadium filling rock epics.
"The last two albums, we sort of veered away from our instruments a little bit," says Bellamy in the interview. "We sort of focused on things like synthesizers, drum machines and various electronics and stuff. I kind of feel like on this next album, we’re going to veer back towards musicianship again and focusing on our own instruments: guitar, bass and drums.
"It’s probably going to be a bit of a rawer album, and definitely a bit more rock, I’d say."
He also added, in true Muse style, that the album was likely to be a concept record, and may not be released in the usually manner.
"The main focus is we’re gonna record a bunch of music, probably a conceptual album of some kind, so it probably will be album length. But how we release it is up for debate," he adds, revealing that the new music is still at least a year away.
"The industry is moving so fast, you don’t really know… I don’t think we’ll be ready to put another album out until early 2015 or something, and I think around that time we’ll just look at what’s going on and make a judgement in the moment rather than thinking ahead, because things are changing so quickly."
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Muse should still be slapped for never (or almost never) playing Big Freeze, which is easily the best song from The 2nd Law.
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Well, the best song that's not Supremacy, Madness, Panic Station, Survival, Follow Me, or Explorers. :P
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I don't get the fascination with Supremacy. The verses sound like classic Muse, but the rest of the song is just lacking. Easily their least best album opener.
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bump.
new album is titled "Drones"..producer is Robert "Mutt" Lange of ACDC.
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/new_muse_album_seems_to_be_called_drones_band_checks_in_from_studio_in_new_videos.html
little clips (a few seconds)
https://instagram.com/p/yFkQEVHXR2/?modal=true&utm_source=partner&utm_medium=embed&utm_campaign=video
https://instagram.com/p/yUR45vnXXC/?modal=true&utm_source=partner&utm_medium=embed&utm_campaign=video
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:lol, the second one. Woooo! I'm pumped. They have not disappointed me yet.
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Is it confirmed that the album is called Drones? That only seems to be implied so far.
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if it isn't the title, than a lot of sites sharing this NME article are going to be wrong.
https://www.nme.com/news/muse/82478#mKU81mkF6x71s4iq.99
also in the 2nd clip above a quick shot shows the word "Drones" on that console.
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Lots of bands use working titles, and according to that NME article the band's spokesperson specifically declined to confirm the album title. The NME article is accurate, the article's headline is misleading. Same with your renaming of this thread. :P
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Oh, who gives a fuck what the title is? New album! All that matters :P
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Ah yes, the inevitable "return to their roots" album that every band eventually does. Usually after they experiment in another genre and it fails. Although sometimes bands will put out a "return to their roots" album even if the previous album sounded like their typical sound.
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Lots of bands use working titles, and according to that NME article the band's spokesperson specifically declined to confirm the album title. The NME article is accurate, the article's headline is misleading. Same with your renaming of this thread. :P
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Lots of bands use working titles, and according to that NME article the band's spokesperson specifically declined to confirm the album title. The NME article is accurate, the article's headline is misleading. Same with your renaming of this thread. :P
edited again :P
:lol I was obviously in a very pedantic mood earlier. But thanks anyway. :biggrin:
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The Second Law was amazing, so I'm very much looking forward to this.
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Those must be the worst album teasers of all time. And I liked most of 2nd Law, especially Supremacy. It's the only Muse album that has something in it I can listen to.
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Ah yes, the inevitable "return to their roots" album that every band eventually does. Usually after they experiment in another genre and it fails. Although sometimes bands will put out a "return to their roots" album even if the previous album sounded like their typical sound.
This feels like the only way Muse can revitalize their career though. 2 albums that got universally panned by critics and fans, and clearly their experiments didn't work out for the better. They'll be known as the band that killed Brostep, one of the worst genres ever known to mankind. Their earlier albums are alright though, and I would be happy for the band if they could make a decent album again.
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wtf, 2nd Law is fantastic.
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Ah yes, the inevitable "return to their roots" album that every band eventually does. Usually after they experiment in another genre and it fails. Although sometimes bands will put out a "return to their roots" album even if the previous album sounded like their typical sound.
This feels like the only way Muse can revitalize their career though. 2 albums that got universally panned by critics and fans, and clearly their experiments didn't work out for the better. They'll be known as the band that killed Brostep, one of the worst genres ever known to mankind. Their earlier albums are alright though, and I would be happy for the band if they could make a decent album again.
I don't understand you, sometimes.
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Personally I thought 2nd Law was St. Anger levels of awfulness, Resistance was slightly better but not much. If you like those albums, that's fine, it's just opinions anyways. But if you look at it from a bigger picture than just your own individual opinion, it's quite noticeable that the reception of those albums, especially 2nd Law was lukewarm at best. Reviews were very mixed, and just by browsing various communities (either Sputnik or RYM) you can quickly see that the reception for the albums wasn't good.
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Sure, if you look at incredibly elitist places like Sputnik and RYM. :lol 2nd Law was very popular, and a lot of people loved it, including myself. Personally I think the last three albums have been on an upward trajectory.
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Say it ain't so Jimmy.
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Yeah, I agree with that upward trend. The Second Law is amazing and might even by my favourite Muse album. THe only other real contender is Origins of Symmetry.
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Well, I'm not sure which is my favourite Muse album, I guess either Origin of Symmetry, Absolution or Black Holes And Revelations, depending on my mood, but the 2nd Law definetely isn't. It's not horrible or even bad and I enjoy listening to it when I'm in the mood for something more poppy, but it's really not something I'd put on most of the time. The one point it excels at is compromising my own music taste with my parents' taste during long car rides :lol.
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Ah yes, the inevitable "return to their roots" album that every band eventually does. Usually after they experiment in another genre and it fails. Although sometimes bands will put out a "return to their roots" album even if the previous album sounded like their typical sound.
This feels like the only way Muse can revitalize their career though. 2 albums that got universally panned by critics and fans, and clearly their experiments didn't work out for the better. They'll be known as the band that killed Brostep, one of the worst genres ever known to mankind. Their earlier albums are alright though, and I would be happy for the band if they could make a decent album again.
I don't think you understand what "universally panned" means.
Your post basically smacks of "I didn't like them that much, so I'll act like no one else did either."
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Personally I thought 2nd Law was St. Anger levels of awfulness
no
pls no
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Ah yes, the inevitable "return to their roots" album that every band eventually does. Usually after they experiment in another genre and it fails. Although sometimes bands will put out a "return to their roots" album even if the previous album sounded like their typical sound.
This feels like the only way Muse can revitalize their career though. 2 albums that got universally panned by critics and fans, and clearly their experiments didn't work out for the better. They'll be known as the band that killed Brostep, one of the worst genres ever known to mankind. Their earlier albums are alright though, and I would be happy for the band if they could make a decent album again.
I don't think you understand what "universally panned" means.
Your post basically smacks of "I didn't like them that much, so I'll act like no one else did either."
Not at all. I laid out reasonable arguments and what people had to say was basically "i disagree because my opinion is different".
Rich was the only one who at least attempted to answer it.
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Yeah I don't think "universally panned" is accurate at all. I don't know anyone who hated it.
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I don't even get the Brostep thing? Are you referring to Unsustainable? Because that was only one track.
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Okay, "universally panned" was a bit harsh. "very mixed" would probably be a better use of words. I did some googling and 2nd Law had very mixed reception, but on a site like Metacritic (which takes into account both professional reviews and user scores) it had a positive 70/100 rating. Surprisingly enough, St. Anger (which I jokingly compared it to) had a 65 out of 100 rating. Surprising amount of good reviews, even for an album most people here would agree is bad.
It's probably hard to find an album hated all across the board. There's always the biggest fans who will like anything their favorite band puts out, as well as haters who will downvote everything, so it's probably never gonna be one way or the other. I don't buy Muse being on an upward trajectory though. Most people who have heard Muse seem to really like those first few albums, whereas the latter albums are very mixed.
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I personally think Muse's albums have been getting better with each successive one. 2nd Law was amazing, and if going back to their roots means that they'll be putting out something actually similar to their first two albums, I'll be disappointed. I've personally been loving the direction they've been going towards. I'd hate to see them regress.
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Well that one little clip is hardly enough to make any kind of judgement about the direction they're going, especially with a band like Muse who tend to have a lot of variety within one album anyway. "Returning to their rock roots" just means it will have more rock and less dubstep or whatever; it doesn't mean it will sound like Origin of Symmetry. There's not nearly enough data here to start analyzing... and as usual, I will be keeping away from most of it til the album actually comes out.
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I don't buy Muse being on an upward trajectory though.
Eh. That really depends on which data you look at. I mean, if you use the Billboard 200 charts as a reference, you can actually see a very obvious upward trend: Origin of Symmetry peaked at #161, Absolution peaked at #107, Black Holes and Revelations peaked at #9, The Resistance peaked at #3, and The 2nd Law peaked at #2. This is hardly an indicator of quality, but it is certainly an indicator of popularity. Meanwhile, Madness set a Billboard record by topping the Alternative Songs chart for a total of 19 weeks.
To your point, I think most people who would call themselves Muse fans tend to prefer the earlier albums - not all, mind you, but most. I myself count Origin of Symmetry, Absolution, and Black Holes and Revelations among my favorite albums of all time, and I doubt Muse will ever top them for me, so I certainly prefer their earlier albums.
But I think more people are listening to Muse now than ever before. And with all that mainstream attention, they're still managing to maintain a fairly (but admittedly not entirely) positive reputation with their longtime fans.
I'd say there's a strong argument for an upward trend.
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But sadly, with their last album already at #2, I find their current growth to be...
Unsustainable.
(https://new2.fjcdn.com/comments/I+guess+you+could+say+things+got+a+_8d785fea9e0c298dbd57950eadda1746.jpg)
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I didn't really like The Resistance, but I felt The 2nd Law was building on what they were trying to do on that record and succeeded in every way, even if it was a bit of a grower. So I'm intrigued by whatever the band does next.
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Okay, "universally panned" was a bit harsh. "very mixed" would probably be a better use of words. I did some googling and 2nd Law had very mixed reception, but on a site like Metacritic (which takes into account both professional reviews and user scores) it had a positive 70/100 rating. Surprisingly enough, St. Anger (which I jokingly compared it to) had a 65 out of 100 rating. Surprising amount of good reviews, even for an album most people here would agree is bad.
It's probably hard to find an album hated all across the board. There's always the biggest fans who will like anything their favorite band puts out, as well as haters who will downvote everything, so it's probably never gonna be one way or the other. I don't buy Muse being on an upward trajectory though. Most people who have heard Muse seem to really like those first few albums, whereas the latter albums are very mixed.
You basically just described every new album by a long-standing, popular band.
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I loved The 2nd Law, it was very experimental and diverse, yet with quite a few catchy songs and big hits. But I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't know how to push the boundaries further with their experimentation, I'm still intrigued to hear this back-to-the-roots rock album.
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But sadly, with their last album already at #2, I find their current growth to be...
Unsustainable.
(https://new2.fjcdn.com/comments/I+guess+you+could+say+things+got+a+_8d785fea9e0c298dbd57950eadda1746.jpg)
:lol :tup
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I missed that post initially, but nothing is better than a good CSI Miami meme/opening. :metal
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I don't really mind the 2nd Law, but it lacks the rock elements that were more prominent in their earlier albums. I'd love to see something along the lines of Origin of Symmetry, but anything that doesn't follow in the footsteps of the 2nd Law would be fine to me. I like some of the 2nd Law, but it's still my least favorite of their albums.
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I still don't quite get the love many have for Supremacy. I like The 2nd Law a ton, but while that song isn't bad by any means, it just does nothing for me. Big Freeze is still one of their best songs ever.
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I love it because it sounds like Bond villains on parade. It's big and bombastic and just hits my ears in all the right parts.
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I love it because it sounds like Bond villains on parade. It's big and bombastic and just hits my ears in all the right parts.
Exactly. When I heard Supremacy, the first thing that came to my mind was that this could have been an awesome James Bond theme song. I also liked the spectacal of it when the pyro display was being well-timed during the intro of that DVD set of their show in Rome.
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It definitely was a good live song, but I always skip over when I listen to The 2nd Law or Muse. I basically start The 2nd Law at Madness and can then listen to the whole thing from start to finish, although Liquid State is somewhat of a skipper, too. Even still, while I find neither Supremacy nor Liquid State that great, both are better than the lower points on The Resistance (Guiding Light and MK Ultra).
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For whatever reason, every time I come across Supremacy (not a Muse fan so it's not something I put on intentionally) I automatically imagine Roy Khan singing it.
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Liquid State is probably my fav song on the album, actually. :lol But I think we've had this discussion before, so I won't argue anything.
Unfortunately, I'm about as sick of Madness as I am of, say, Uprising at this point. I've heard the song too many times on radio in the car or at work, and if I never heard the track again in my life, I'd be okay with that. But it is a good song. Just... too much. Heard it too much.
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I guess it's a good thing I don't listen to the radio. ;) :lol I haven't heard those songs more than any other favorites from the last two albums.
I know I've said this before, but the running order of The 2nd Law is still a bit goofy. Unsustainable should have kicked the album off, Isolated System should be somewhere in the middle and Survival should have been the closer. I'm still a fairly big fan of the album as is, but a slight tweaking of the running order would have made it even better.
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I've been preparing myself for the new Muse album lately by revisiting their previous albums and checking out some of their more obscure tracks. It's taken me several years of occasionally revisiting it, but Origins of Symmetry finally clicked with me. Probably the best album Muse has put out, though I'm really fond of their other works too (aside from maybe Showbiz and The Resistance).
I'm hoping that Lange's production on the new album results in a really sonically-pleasing album. I'm pretty confident it'll be terrific musically, but I'd like some good production to match it.
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Yeah, Origin of Symmetry is just amazing. I got it late, but it clicked with me immediately and may be my favorite these days.
Also, I agree on Supremacy being badass.
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I usually go back and forth between Origin of Symmetry and Black Holes... as far as what my favorite Muse record is. Really, they are 1a and 1b. Absolution is nearly as great as both.
As for their production, I do think the last two albums were an improvement from the standpoint of their music sounding more clear and less compressed. As great as those three albums I mentioned above are, I do wish they all sounded a bit better. Absolution, in particular, has moments where it's like listening to music with a blanket over your speakers.
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I have a really hard time picking a favorite Muse album. The top three are neck and neck.
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Yeah, Origin of Symmetry is just amazing. I got it late, but it clicked with me immediately and may be my favorite these days.
I always found it really odd how Origin of Symmetry wasn't clicking with me. Practically everything about it is straight-up my alley. Darker sound? Check. More band-oriented? Check. Longer, more progressive songs? Check. Insane vocals? Check.
It took me two years, but it's finally clicking with me. I'm really falling in love with this album. :lol
I usually go back and forth between Origin of Symmetry and Black Holes... as far as what my favorite Muse record is. Really, they are 1a and 1b. Absolution is nearly as great as both.
As for their production, I do think the last two albums were an improvement from the standpoint of their music sounding more clear and less compressed. As great as those three albums I mentioned above are, I do wish they all sounded a bit better. Absolution, in particular, has moments where it's like listening to music with a blanket over your speakers.
I really love how both Origin and Black Holes flow as whole albums. I find Origin to be the more engaging and rewarding experience between the two, but it is really easy and a lot of fun to listen to Black Holes. Absolution doesn't flow as well and definitely has the weakest production of the three, but it just has so many incredible songs on it.
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Absolution is my favourite Muse album, but yeah it's not very well produced.
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I get why people prefer their earlier stuff, but The Second Law is my favourite Muse album by miles.
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I get why people prefer their earlier stuff, but The Second Law is my favourite Muse album by miles.
Nothing wrong with that at all, man. The Second Law is terrific. I love the experimentation they did with that album. :tup I just prefer the darker elements of Origin of Symmetry and Absolution. That old comparison of Origin being Muse's "Awake" is spot-on.
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The 2nd Law is definitely really, really good. I listened to in the car on the way to and from work the last few days, and even Supremacy sounded great. How about that? :lol
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The 2nd Law is definitely really, really good. I listened to in the car on the way to and from work the last few days, and even Supremacy sounded great. How about that? :lol
That's great, Kev! :tup
I actually just had a bit of a Muse incident myself a few hours ago: I was at the student center here on campus, since I had plans with friends to go see a free film there. Neither of them were there, so I kept trying to call 'em and wait for 'em to show up. All the while, I notice that the girl working the counter and tickets has some Queen songs playing in the center from behind her station and I realized that we were both singing along to the songs while I kept trying to call my friends.
Eventually I went to get my ticket and I started talking to her and asked if she was a Muse fan too and she brightened up at that and said, "Hang on, lemme play a great Muse song real quick." I figured it'd be Starlight or something more recent, only to soon realize that she'd picked Plug-In Baby! :metal We immediately geeked out realizing that we both were bigger fans of Origin and Absolution and she was happy to hear that the new album is supposed to sound more like that.
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That's good stuff. :coolio
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This probably won't be a popular opinion, but over the last couple of months I've been crazily into Showbiz. It grew on me so much that I would call it a personal favorite of mine, right behind the untouchable Origin of symmetry. I like how they were just into writing insanely catchy rock songs early in their career, the melodies on it are fantastic.
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Guys, recently the band has posted on instagram old covers of magazines with them, with their eyes completely black and the titles censored, with the hashtag #MuseDrones - I think that it's pretty official now.
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This probably won't be a popular opinion, but over the last couple of months I've been crazily into Showbiz. It grew on me so much that I would call it a personal favorite of mine, right behind the untouchable Origin of symmetry. I like how they were just into writing insanely catchy rock songs early in their career, the melodies on it are fantastic.
I need to listen to Showbiz more. I like what I've heard off of it, but I'm admittedly not as familiar with it as I am with the band's other albums.
Guys, recently the band has posted on instagram old covers of magazines with them, with their eyes completely black and the titles censored, with the hashtag #MuseDrones - I think that it's pretty official now.
Potentially. Some folks are thinking Drones might just be the name of the first single or something. :lol We'll see where it goes. :tup
That's good stuff. :coolio
Indeed it is. I hope to talk with her more in the days to come. :coolio
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So, perusing back through this thread again, we never talked about the Romo live DVD. I've had it for a while, but had never just sat down and watched it from start to finish, until last night, and after doing so, let me just say...WOW. That is easily one of the best live concert films I've ever seen. Pretty awesome how the crowd goes absolutely berserk for nearly every song they played. So, so good. :hat
Also, when the release was first announced, just looking at the running order, I had said this:
a. They left off Unsustainable, which WAS the opening song. Maybe they got the idea from U2, who did the same thing on their Rose Bowl DVD (left off the first song that was performed), but it is moronic.
b. No Stockholm Syndrome or New Born, which were rotated from show to show all tour. And SS was even played at the filmed show, but was cut! Unreal.
c. Guiding Light? Seriously? :lol :lol :lol
d. They left off Liquid State, which is not a song I am not crazy about, but it is a rare lead vocal from Chris Wolstenholme. And you leave it off the video even though it was actually played at the show you filmed?
:facepalm:
a. I still wish they had included Unsustainable in the main set, instead of having it merely as an extra, but Supremacy was a great opener, so I am okay with it.
b. Stockholm Syndrome is included as an extra as well, and it heavily features the pyramid stage show that we saw on the U.S. tour, so that was pretty great.
c. Guiding Light actually worked in the set, especially with the cool things they did with it live (the big light bulb and whatnot).
d. Also included as an extra from the U.S. leg.
Overall, I might put this up in the top tier of live concert DVDs ever...simply amazing. :hat
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The fact with that DVD it's that it's pretty cool, but.. I enjoyed the extra songs more than the concert itself :lol
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On the one hand, I wish they would have released an entire show from the U.S. leg with the pyramid stage show.
On the other hand, the Rome show was such an awesome spectacle, with the massive crowd going bananas for practically every song, that they had to release something that awesome.
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Yea, pretty much. The crowd on Knights Of Cydonia is insane :metal
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That riff at the end is always guaranteed to get a rock crowd bouncing like no other riff. :metal :metal
Also, I see that Matt Bellamy and Kate Hudson broke up, which leads to the question of whether he will now want to play and sing Madness live, considering it is about her. It's hard to envision them not playing it, considering how big it was, but Billy Joel didn't play Uptown Girl for decades after he broke up with Christine Brinkley, so you never know. Muse has enough live beastly mainstays that avoiding one wouldn't be the end of the world, but you gotta figure that they know a lot of newer fans became fans because of Madness, so I think it stays in the sets.
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Tuning in to report a new instagram video-tease. It's a motherfucking 7-string groovy riff. Oh jeez (https://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/293/590/6f6.gif)
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Tuning in to report a new instagram video-tease. It's a motherfucking 7-string groovy riff. Oh jeez (https://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/293/590/6f6.gif)
Yup and the album title has been officially confirmed to be "Drones." The album artwork will be done by Matt Mahurin.
https://www.mattmahurin.com/new-blog/2015/2/6/muse-project
I've taken a quick look at the guy's existing art and it's some pretty dark stuff. I'm excited to see what he comes up with for the album.
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A new album coming out means a new thread, right? I think so. :coolio
Can't wait to see where they go with this one.
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Soundscape is doing a good job at keeping title updated, and it's only at 20 pages, no need for new thread yet.
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29 pages actually. :P
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29 pages actually. :P
Still seems too early to make a new thread, I think. But that's just me.
In other news, I just ordered the CD soundtrack for Hullabaloo yesterday. So excited! :metal :hefdaddy
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29 pages actually. :P
20, actually. :p
Not everyone uses 30 posts per page.
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I can't take it anymore :| :| announce the goddamn thing already!
Ok, sorry if it's childish, but I had to say it somewhere.
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Nah, I think this is great. They are building anticipation, and there is something to be said for delayed gratification. :hat
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there is something to be said for delayed gratification. :hat
It's always late?
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Just found this translated interview... Oh boy. :metal
https://muse-soul.tumblr.com/post/112535862731/the-calm-before-the-storm
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That sounds great!
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sequel to Citizen Erased?..although maybe not on this coming record.
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According to Matt's Twitter, big news today.
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I have the feeling that there's still some news to come either today or tomorrow, but they just released the official album cover! I'm really digging this one; it's a great nod to the cover for Absolution, while also coming off as something that Rush would've done back in the 80's! :tup
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Album out on June 8th!
well, this is suspiscious (https://drones.muse.mu/)
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For some reason I'm pretty excited about this release. I have a feeling this is going to be a lot better than the last couple of albums.
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The tracklist if anyone is interested...
Drones will be released on 8 June 2015!
From Matt: “To me, 'Drones' are metaphorical psychopaths which enable psychopathic behaviour with no recourse. The world is run by Drones utilizing Drones to turn us all into Drones. This album explores the journey of a human, from their abandonment and loss of hope, to their indoctrination by the system to be a human drone, to their eventual defection from their oppressors."
The first single from Drones, “Dead Inside,” will debut the week of 23 March. Preorder for the new album will be available tomorrow at 7:30pm GMT, along with the new song “Psycho.”
DRONES
1. Dead Inside
2. [Drill Sergeant]
3. Psycho
4. Mercy
5. Reapers
6. The Handler
7. [JFK]
8. Defector
9. Revolt
10. Aftermath
11. The Globalist
12. Drones
Co-produced by Muse and Robert John “Mutt” Lange
-Marc.
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Mutt Lange. That probably means it'll sound good.
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That teaser for 'Psycho' sounds great! Love that riff.
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Am I the only one who thought of a 1984 themed album when he saw the cover?
Otherwise, great to see a new Muse album being announced. Loved The 2nd Law.
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Omg, and that's the day before Steven Wilson comes to town. My birthday week is gonna RULE.
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Interesting. Bring it on. :metal
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Great news!! :tup :tup
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I don't have super high expectations given everything that's been said about the album so far. I loved 2nd Law, but it doesn't sound like they're going to continue in that direction. Even so, I'm still quite excited and really looking forward to that single on the 23rd
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And that's exactly why I don't pay attention to most of the noise about a new album coming out. Fuck what other people say about it, just wait until it comes out and then form an opinion. Shit gets labeled/categorized before people have even heard it and then people make assumptions about whether they're going to like it or not. It's lame. Let the music speak for itself, not a bunch of words.
It's Muse. They've never put out a bad album. They like to change directions and try new things, and that's why they rule.
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I don't know if that's a more general comment or not but, just to be clear, not having super high expectations != having low expectations. And basing those expectations off of what the band has said, regarding the album's direction, is hardly just listening to 'the noise' and letting it determine your opinion before listening for yourself. It would be like if John Petrucci came forward to say that the next DT album was going to explore some funk. I'd still be excited and definitely give it a chance. But, upon hearing the news, is also look to temper my expectations a little bit. Getting super hyped about an album, when you know that it has certain elements which have historically let you down, is a recipe for unnecessary dissatisfaction.
I agree with the sentiment though- let the music speak for itself. It could be great, like I think 2nd Law was, and hopefully it is.
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And that's exactly why I don't pay attention to most of the noise about a new album coming out. Fuck what other people say about it, just wait until it comes out and then form an opinion. Shit gets labeled/categorized before people have even heard it and then people make assumptions about whether they're going to like it or not. It's lame. Let the music speak for itself, not a bunch of words.
It's Muse. They've never put out a bad album. They like to change directions and try new things, and that's why they rule.
This.
All of this.
It would be like if John Petrucci came forward to say that the next DT album was going to explore some funk. I'd still be excited and definitely give it a chance. But, upon hearing the news, is also look to temper my expectations a little bit.
That would temper your expectations?! Jeez, that would push my excitement through the roof! :lol
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This sounds freaking amazing. I cannot wait. Could very well by AOTY.
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This sounds freaking amazing. I cannot wait. Could very well by AOTY.
I'm inclined to agree, though I'm also keen to see what Iron Maiden and TesseracT come out with this year too.
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That would temper your expectations?! Jeez, that would push my excitement through the roof! :lol
DT need more stuff like that 5 second disco funk part from breaking All Illusions.
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Sounds great indeed! Not expecting Muse to be my AOTY though, there are just too many of my all time favorites coming with new material.
This sounds freaking amazing. I cannot wait. Could very well by AOTY.
I'm inclined to agree, though I'm also keen to see what Iron Maiden and TesseracT come out with this year too.
People still expect that? I knew there were some rumors and all, but considering Bruce's health (who seems to be doing great) I am not expecting much this year.
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Sounds great indeed! Not expecting Muse to be my AOTY though, there are just too many of my all time favorites coming with new material.
This sounds freaking amazing. I cannot wait. Could very well by AOTY.
I'm inclined to agree, though I'm also keen to see what Iron Maiden and TesseracT come out with this year too.
People still expect that? I knew there were some rumors and all, but considering Bruce's health (who seems to be doing great) I am not expecting much this year.
Apparently they'd already finished recording the album before Bruce was diagnosed and they're just sitting on it while he recuperates. I could see it still coming out this year, provided his recovery goes smoothly.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqLRqzTp6Rk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqLRqzTp6Rk) PSYCHO IS OUT MATES
ALL HAIL THE 030503 03066
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EDIT: Too slow :-\
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One second :xbones
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Was just about to post.
Your ass belongs to me now
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Man, this is pretty fantastic! :hefdaddy I can't wait to hear Dead Inside in a couple of weeks too. Hell, they might even play another new song or two in the upcoming live shows too! :metal
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Pretty solid but maybe quite predictable song. Not too hyped about this.
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Pretty solid but maybe quite predictable song.
A little predictable, perhaps, but then it is the single.
I dig it a lot. Somewhat of an Uprising vibe, but more rocking. Fantastic sound as well, really beefy!
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Sounds bangin'!
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I honestly kind of hate the intro to it, but everything else sounds pretty awesome!
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Pretty underwhelmed by that tune. I hope that chatter and whatnot in the background is mostly just for the video and not in the real song, especially at the beginning.
Regardless, I have faith that Muse will deliver another good album. :hat
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Pretty solid but maybe quite predictable song. Not too hyped about this.
This. It's a step in the right direction (at least there's no dubstep) but it didn't really grab me. The lyrics/drill sergeant shtick were really off-putting.
Hope this won't be a meh album like The 2nd Law.
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Somewhat of an Uprising vibe, but more rocking.
My thoughts exactly. I also don't think they've released anything this heavy in almost ten years. It's a good song on first listen.
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Muse either seem to write really complicated riffs like Hysteria or really simple ones like Psycho.
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I'm a little less excited about the album after listening to Psycho. But just a little.
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I'm a little less excited about the album after listening to Psycho. But just a little.
Yeah, this.
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2009 Muse: I belong to you
2015 Muse: Your ass belongs to me now
Nice chance :D
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Not a bad tune, felt 2 minutes longer than it should have been, imo.
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I'm a little less excited about the album after listening to Psycho. But just a little.
Yeah, this.
Nice fat production though from Mutt Lange.
...probably why the main riff sounds like Shania Twain :biggrin: :biggrin:
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I'm a little less excited about the album after listening to Psycho. But just a little.
Yeah, this.
Nice fat production though from Mutt Lange.
...probably why the main riff sounds like Shania Twain :biggrin: :biggrin:
I don't give a fuck if something sounds good if I don't actually like it.
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I listened to it once and honestly had no interest in listening again. I'll obviously give it another chance when the album comes out, but I'm very underwhelmed by the single. Unfortunately a lot of that has to do with the lyrics.
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I listened to it once and honestly had no interest in listening again. I'll obviously give it another chance when the album comes out, but I'm very underwhelmed by the single. Unfortunately a lot of that has to do with the lyrics.
Very similar sentiments. The riff is nice I suppose, and it's bagnin', but nothing stood out for me. The lyrics in particular feel so one-dimensional and nothing that Muse haven't already covered ground on.
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I haven't really listened to any new Muse material since The Resistance (I was pretty disappointed with it), but I enjoyed Psycho for the most part. The Drill Sergeant seemed unnecessary and I hope it's not on the album version, but otherwise I liked the song.
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Ok after a few spins, here is what I thibk: I like it. It's nice to have a song to don't take seriously, it's like the "Dark Eternal Night" of Muse's carreer. I think it does its job pretty well.
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They ended tonight's show with a new song, "Reapers."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0jHUwLq7OI
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That sounds a bit more promising to me.
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That indeed sounds promising, looking forward to the studio version!
Ok after a few spins, here is what I thibk: I like it. It's nice to have a song to don't take seriously, it's like the "Dark Eternal Night" of Muse's carreer. I think it does its job pretty well.
I agree. It sounds nice.
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I really liked 'Psycho', listened to it three times and now.. I have the feeling I already got everything from it for some reason. I can play the entire song in my head after only three spins, without having the desire to actually listen to it again.. weird!
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I hope that chatter and whatnot in the background is mostly just for the video and not in the real song, especially at the beginning.
OMG yeah. And I thought the samples in "The Great Debate" were awful. If these are on the album I'm not sure this is a song I'm going to want to listen to much.
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The samples in TGD are awesome.
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The samples in TGD are awesome.
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Sounds like Muse is trying to be badass with "Psycho". There's no need for that, they did that just fine with "Knights of Cydonia"
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I just think Psycho is going to be an awesome live track. It'll definitely be a crazy audience one during the chorus
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New song is a big step up from Psycho, in my opinion.
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Dead Inside is definitely better than Psycho, but nothing too liberal in approach. Something that could have been on either of their last couple of records.
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First impression:
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we'll see with other listens, maybe it will have the "Madness" effect.
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Dead Inside is miles better than Psycho. Already love it on my second listen.
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I didn't like Psycho, but Dead Inside is pretty cool.
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Dead Inside is miles better than Psycho. Already love it on my second listen.
Yeah, I'm really loving Dead Inside. That said, Psycho's not bad at all. It really comes to life in a live setting, it seems. Reapers seems like it'll be great on the album too.
Oh and according an interview yesterday, Matt confirmed that The Globalist is going to be a ten minute long prog rock epic and is the official sequel to Citizen Erased! :metal :hefdaddy
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^ :biggrin:
Also, am I the only one who didn't like Dead Inside nearly as much as Psycho?
Probably, since I seem to have really odd music tastes...
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Yeah, I'm digging Dead Inside a bit, at least more than I did with Psycho, which just seemed really vanilla by Muse standards.
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"Mercy"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5bjJzJ-T4c
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Probably my favourite of the songs that have been released so far. Definitely better than Psycho.
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I found it to be the most average, meh song shown so far. Sounds like really lazy Muse.
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This one was alright. I don't think I like it as much as Dead Inside, but it certainly isn't as offensive as Psycho was.
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One thing I really don't want on this album is more singing by Christopher Wolstenholme. Not that he's a bad singer, but he just can't compare to Matt.
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Mercy > Dead Inside >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Psycho
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Definitely like Mercy the best out of the songs released so far.
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Oh my gosh. I absolutely cannot get enough of Mercy.
It may even top Butterflies & Hurricanes for my favorite Muse song to date.
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Reapers lyric video (don't worry it's not NSFW)
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6jvXAw5taoqXHbmrcs (https://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6jvXAw5taoqXHbmrcs)
This is honestly one of my favorite Muse songs now.
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Woah, yeah, great song!
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The band's realeasing songs like crazy!
The Handler is now on spotify :metal
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The Handler definitely is my favorite among all of these.
Rather heavy Absolution-vibe to it.
damn I want to hear this whole album asap. Only a few days thanksfully.
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Honestly, I thought The Handler and Reapers were both just sort of...meh...
But Mercy, on the other hand...
:metal
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I am still waiting for the official release. Call me old fashioned. :biggrin: :lol
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I bought the little promo single with Dead Inside and Psycho, so that's all I've heard until the actual release.
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This is the album I have been hoping Muse would make for years now.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzbFxLNpguM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzbFxLNpguM)
JFK/Defector now available to listen to. Cool track!
At this point I may not have to buy the album since they release a track a day :lol
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They've released like four songs since the last time I checked this thread, and they're all amazing.
I am extremely hyped for this album.
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The whole album is awesome. Could be their best.
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Anybody pick this up today? I did. Man I'm thoroughly impressed. Never been too sold on a Muse album before, but this one is amazing to me! The only gripe with it for me is Psycho. It's still good for sure but not quite with the rest of the album in my opinion. For some reason I picture Jared Leto's Joker from the Suicide Squad movie, that's coming out next year, singing this song. :lol
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It's a really solid album. Really infused with rocking riffs, more so than the last few albums, but they've still kept some of the swagger and pop sensibilities as well, so it's created a really fun album. Very infectious.
And the title track is great, was pretty surprising. :lol
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The title track floored me. :hefdaddy
The rest of the album needs more spins, but so far I like all of it, especially Defector, Reapers and The Handler. It might turn out that Psycho is the weakest one on the album.
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Anybody pick this up today?
Yep, I bought it from iTunes this morning before I left for work and threw it on my iPhone. I was gonna try to listen to it during some slow stretches today, but we were busy as hell all day :lol, so it's on my agenda for tonight. I'll throw it on to a CD for my car, too.
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Honestly, I don't really like any of the songs that weren't already released as singles, but I haven't been able to listen to The Globalist, because it's Premium Only on Spotify ( >:( ) and doesn't seem to be on YouTube anywhere...
But Mercy and Defector are incredible! :metal
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I don't know if I will be able to get past that stupid ass drill sergeant stuff in Psycho. Talk about ruining a potentially good song with that silly crap.
It's clear as day that Muse loves them some Ennio Morricone. They did the man with the harmonica bit as the intro to Knights of Cydonia on the last tour, and the whistling at the beginning of The Globalist sounds like it's right out of L'Arena, which was used in the grave escape scene of Kill Bill Volume 2.
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I don't know if I will be able to get past that stupid ass drill sergeant stuff in Psycho. Talk about ruining a potentially good song with that silly crap.
I deleted the Drill Sargent and JFK tracks. No need for them, for me anyway. There's still a little bit of both in the tracks that follow but it's 95% gone and totally OK now.
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The best track is Drones. No kidding.
It was so amazing and yet so different it was the only track that had me pushing the replay button. As far as the whole album goes, I think it was really good although I'm beginning to believe we're not getting another amazing 11/10 album from them. My favorite songs are the last 3: Aftermath, Globalist and Drones.
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Gave a couple of fair listens to this album today.
It's definetly better than The 2nd Law, and has a great flow. All the songs are memorable and I appreciate the band trying to step back from the big-ass orchestra electronic dubstep thing that they were slowly becoming :lol (not that I didn't like that)
Best songs are Mercy thru The Globalist, minus Revolt, which is ok.
Also, the lyrics are shit (Reapers and Aftermath are the only songs with good lyrics IMO)
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I've never really liked any of Muse's lyrics. :lol
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LOL, true. They rarely have wretchedly bad lyrics, but also rarely have notable good ones.
I don't know if I will be able to get past that stupid ass drill sergeant stuff in Psycho. Talk about ruining a potentially good song with that silly crap.
I deleted the Drill Sargent and JFK tracks. No need for them, for me anyway. There's still a little bit of both in the tracks that follow but it's 95% gone and totally OK now.
I love Muse, but that drill sergeant yelling stuff is just so bad. It's like something you'd hear from a band full of teenagers that you know will never make it. :lol
As far as the whole album goes, I think it was really good although I'm beginning to believe we're not getting another amazing 11/10 album from them. .
I think I agree. I managed to listen twice today (slower day at work, woohoo!), and I think it is a good solid record, but not even close to the greatness of Origin, Absolution and Black Holes. Seems like a step down from The 2nd Law, which I have grown to really love. Then again, I am only two listens into this one so far, so you never know.
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Still very much forming my opinion of this album. I've spun it a half dozen times, yet for the most part I have trouble nailing down my thoughts. I will say that I think that it is overall slightly weaker than 2nd Law.
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I've only listened to it twice so far but am highly impressed. It reminds me of Absolution, which is my favourite Muse album.
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At first I wasn't impressed at all but I gave it few more spins and now I weirdly like it. Reapers could be my favorite track, Mercy and The Handler a little behind.
Can't decide yet is this better than 2nd Law. I liked those electronic sounds (aka dupstep) Muse used on last album, the more traditional sound on Drones is okay too but they could somehow combine these two...
Only weak tracks are Psycho and Defector which I just can't get into, and those silly "interludes" (Drill Sergant and JFK) are just pointless.
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It's like something you'd hear from a band full of teenagers that you know will never make it. :lol
I can understand why some people wouldn't like the drill sergeant stuff, but I don't get this comment at all. Those sections are tongue-in-cheek and fit the subject of the album, and I don't get a teenage-band vibe from them at all.
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Defector stood out on the first couple of listens, especially because of the chord progression that also appears in the background during JFK, it's such a great melody. I'm also really digging Reapers at the moment.
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Sounding good so far!
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I am surprised to see very little discussion about The Globalist. This being DTF, I would think everyone would be wanting to talk about them doing a rare 10-minute song. :lol :lol
I am still trying to figure out what I think of it. I think every section is damn good, but it seems like a mash-up of separate sections shoehorned into one song (which some would say is prog :lol :lol). The rocking section about halfway in is pretty awesome, especially with those background vocals, but just when it is really kicking in full force, it suddenly ends and segue ways abruptly into that mellow section that ends the song, which is gorgeous, but the overall flow of the song just seems a bit choppy. That is my impression of it after several listens. I am sure I will grow to really like it and look back on this post and think WTF. :facepalm:
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Does anyone know where those without the album or Spotify Premium can listen to The Globalist? ???
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I think I'm alone in saying that Revolt is my favorite track on the album. I think it's really catchy
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Track by track thing? Ye
Dead Inside: at first listen I was disappointed. Then things happened in my life, and I started enjoying this song more and more, and now the last chorus always sends shivers.
Psycho: badass tune, would've loved it more if it was shorter. It works very well live.
Mercy: top notch. It's like a better version of Starlight. I love all the vocal lines and the chorus is incredible and epic.
Reapers: best Muse song since Knights Of Cydonia? I think so. Everything is memorable and catchy about this heavy piece. From the guitar solo to the insane outro and those lyrics.
The Handler: love the groove. I just don't quite get all the praise it gets, but hey to each his own. The climax is also great, and when it jumps back into the main riff, I always :metal
Defector: The riff is gold, but the song does kinda sound repetitive. I love those Queen vocals though, and the solo. Lyrics are puke.
Revolt: This was an unexpected pop song. I like it, the chorus is cheesy on purpose I suppose. If you don't take this song too seriously you might like it.
Aftermath: I'm in love. The guitar tone reminds me of Pink Floyd/Dire Straits, and everything is just so lovely and calm.
The Globalist: wow. On the first listen I was a bit disappointed because the heavy part is fairly short, but man this is great. Love the intro, and the transition from "I have given you the code" to that beast riff. The last part is a bit less great than what came before, but it has a great vibe nonetheless. Cool story.
Drones: well, this is an a cappella tune. Nothing more to say about it, it sounds both creepy and ethereal. Cool unexpected finale for the album.
Ratings ye?
1. Reapers
2. Aftermath
3. Mercy
4. The Globalist
5. The Handler
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6. Revolt
7. Defector
8. Psycho
9. Dead Inside
10. Drones
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I am surprised to see very little discussion about The Globalist. This being DTF, I would think everyone would be wanting to talk about them doing a rare 10-minute song. :lol :lol
I am still trying to figure out what I think of it. I think every section is damn good, but it seems like a mash-up of separate sections shoehorned into one song (which some would say is prog :lol :lol). The rocking section about halfway in is pretty awesome, especially with those background vocals, but just when it is really kicking in full force, it suddenly ends and segue ways abruptly into that mellow section that ends the song, which is gorgeous, but the overall flow of the song just seems a bit choppy. That is my impression of it after several listens. I am sure I will grow to really like it and look back on this post and think WTF. :facepalm:
It's around middle of the pack for me. Very solid, but not amazing.
I pretty much agree with your thoughts on it - first two thirds of the song are really great - nice atmospheric intro, kicking into really great rocking section in the middle.
The final third is a very nice Nimrod (Enigma Variations) adaptation, which continues a trend that they've used since OOS at least, but I have to admit that as nice as those sections are, I'm not desperately keen when they're that obvious.
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Man oh man, Reapers is gonna absolutely slay live, especially that outro. :metal :metal
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I've had a few listens, and I quite like the album. It's not going to be my absolute favourite, but it sits at Number 3 quite comfortably, just behind Origin and Second Law and before Black Holes and Absolution.
Psycho remains my least favourite track, it's pretty generic and very little to like. In general, I feel that the three first songs released didn't really do the album justice - especially the second half of the album with Reapers (holy shit that outro), The Handler (that bassline is so awesome), Aftermath and The Globalist is really really good.
Not quite sure what to think of the title track - I don't like it much, but I absolutely hated it on the first listen, so signs are pointing toward a grower - we'll see how it develops.
All in all, I am very happy with this album. Not quite a masterpiece, but definitely worthy addition to their catalogue.
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So where does Drones rank in their discography for everyone?
I would say:
1. The Resistance
2. Origin Of Symmetry
3. Drones
4. The 2nd Law
5. Black Holes & Revelations
6. Absolution
7. Showbiz
But I still have yet to hear The Globalist so that position may or may not change...
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1. Origin
2. The Second Law
3. Drones
4. Black Holes
5. Absolution
6. The Resistance
Haven't heard Showbiz yet. Come to think of it, I should probably get onto that some time soon.
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1. Origin of Symmetry
2.Absolution
3. BH&R/Showbiz
4. The 2nd Law
5. The Resistance
Quite enjoying the new album actually - certainly way more than their last 2 efforts. Still need some time to properly digest it, but there's a lot of potential in there. I guess it'll fit in just behind BH&R and Showbiz.
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I am going to fall in love with this album very, very quickly.
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1. Absolution
2. The Resistance
3. Black Holes
4. Origin Of Symmetry
5. Drones
6. 2nd Law
7. Showbiz
So yeah, bottom tier but those are all amazing albums.
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OK so since my post on the album I squeezed in another two listens and I now love the title track. Perfect closer to a really strong album. Probably not my favourite of the year, but definitely Top 5 - so far, at least.
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Man I'm late in picking this up. I need to get it.
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So where does Drones rank in their discography for everyone?
Current ranking is:
1. Black Holes
2. Origin of Symmetry
3. Absolution
4. 2nd Law
5. The Resistance
6. Showbiz
No way it will catch the top 3. Early listens say it will probably duke it out with the Resistance for 5th place, but you never know. It's still early.
For me, Black Holes and Origin are basically 1a and 1b; both are flawless.
Absolution is nearly flawless, but has a couple songs I consider just average.
2nd Law was a major grower for me; I love it now.
The Resistance is good, but not great.
Showbiz has a handful of songs I like, but the rest is, for me, forgettable.
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1. Absolution
2. The Resistance
3. Black Holes
4. Origin Of Symmetry
5. Drones
6. 2nd Law
7. Showbiz
So yeah, bottom tier but those are all amazing albums.
My ranking of Muse albums is this exactly. Drones is currently at 5, but time will tell whether it moves up or down.
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So, these guys just played Dead Star, Micro Cuts, Citizen Erased and Agitated last night at Download. Also, The Handler live first time ever.
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No way it will catch the top 3.
I actually think it might for me. I never thought I would say that about a new Muse album - Origin of Symmetry, Absolution, and Black Holes and Revelations are some of my favorite albums of all time - but I am really loving Drones. Of course, it's too soon to tell, and I don't know if I'll end up liking it as much as the big three. But for the time being, I would at least put it up with them in that higher tier.
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I can't stop listening to this amazing album. My favorite tracks are: Mercy, Defector, The Globalist and Drones.
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The Globalist grew on me immensely, that build up in the middle is insane, especially the section starting at 6:13. The ballad sections are beautiful, and the only slightly flawed bit is the whistling, but it's still fine.
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right now my favorites are Reapers and Revolt, personally. Don't like Psycho (who does) and The Globalist is probably second least favorite rn, it's not a cohesive song in the slightest
I like this way more than their last two albums already though.
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I like Psycho a lot, really fun song.
Whereas Revolt is probably my least favourite.
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Revolt seems to be getting a lot of dislike by fans, but I like it. It's not a favorite, but I like it.
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I don't understand why Revolt would be getting dislike it's great what
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In complete and utter honesty. This is the first Muse album since Absolution that I can listen to front to back and not get bored or disappointed.
Completely solid album!
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Man, I'm really loving this album. The vocals are heavenly, the grooves are just divine.
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Revolt seems to be getting a lot of dislike by fans, but I like it. It's not a favorite, but I like it.
I don't understand why Revolt would be getting dislike it's great what
I don't dislike it at all, I just think it's the least good on the album. It's just quite bland and a bit cheesy. And given that it's meant to be the big climax of the main story with some kind of huge revolution, it's just not a very dramatic song.
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Revolt seems to be getting a lot of dislike by fans, but I like it. It's not a favorite, but I like it.
I don't understand why Revolt would be getting dislike it's great what
I don't dislike it at all, I just think it's the least good on the album. It's just quite bland and a bit cheesy. And given that it's meant to be the big climax of the main story with some kind of huge revolution, it's just not a very dramatic song.
Pretty sure the climax is The Globalist.
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Nope, Globalist is a separate story. The main concept runs from Dead Inside through to Aftermath (hence the name), The Globalist is a separate story that is apparently a sort of sequel to Citizen Erased, and then the title track is a sort of coda to the album.
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Really... Where did you hear that?
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Eh, I am not buying the "it's sort of a sequel to Citizen Erased" story. I think that is something someone probably said early on, Muse fans grabbed on to it (because CE is such a fan favorite), and boom, the myth that The Globalist is somehow tied to Citizen Erased has now spread.
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Well I finally figured out a way to listen to The Globalist, and I thought it was okay. Definitely not my favorite song on the album.
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Eh, I am not buying the "it's sort of a sequel to Citizen Erased" story. I think that is something someone probably said early on, Muse fans grabbed on to it (because CE is such a fan favorite), and boom, the myth that The Globalist is somehow tied to Citizen Erased has now spread.
https://www.gigwise.com/news/99272/muse-drones-album-to-feature-citizen-erased-sequel-the-globalist
A lot of fans keep tweeting, asking what song is the sequel to 'Citizen Erased' - it's a song called 'The Globalist' which is basically a narrative within itself about the rise and fall of a dictator, the end of the world, World War Three and all the good stuff I like," he laughed.
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Well what would Matt Bellamy know about it anyway? :P
I'm really enjoying the album so far. I don't think I'll like it better than 2nd Law, but we'll see.
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Well what would Matt Bellamy know about it anyway? :P
I'm really enjoying the album so far. I don't think I'll like it better than 2nd Law, but we'll see.
Drones and 2nd Law are currently battling it out for 3rd place in my estimation, behind Absolution and Origin of Symmetry as my top 2.
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The Handler and Reapers are like, miles ahead of anything on The 2nd Law and The Resistance, so Drones easily steps ahead of those two for me. I think Black Holes is my favorite, Absolution second.
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1. Absolution
2. Black Holes and Revelations
3. Origin of Symmetry
4. Drones
5. The 2nd Law
6. The Resistance
7. Showbiz
Something like that. There's a lot of room for change, since I have a really hard time picking between the top three, and I'm still getting used to Drones.
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Black Holes > Absolutions > The 2nd Law > The Origins > Drones > > > Showbiz > Resistance
Though Drones could go up above Origins at some point.
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I do find it strange how loved Black Holes is here. I mean it's great and all, but I'd probably only rank it above Showbiz, maybe on a par with the Resistance.
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I'm obviously in the minority, but Black holes is my least favorite Muse album. Some of the tracks are great, but the streak of songs from Invincible up to and including Hoodoo is pretty bland and samey.
Lets try to rank the albums:
Origin of symmetry
Showbiz
Absolution
The 2nd law
Drones
The Resistance
Black holes and revelations
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1. Origins
2. Second Law
3. Drones
4. Black Holes
5. Absolution
6. Resistance
7. Showbiz
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Origin of Symmetry
Absolution
Black Holes n Revelations
The Resistance
Showbiz
Drones
The 2nd Law
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I do find it strange how loved Black Holes is here.
Different opinions sure are strange, eh? :biggrin:
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Finally got a chance to listen to this a bunch while in Alaska, and really diggin' it so far! I agree Revolt is pretty cheesy and one of my least favorites, but I still like it. Love the finale.
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Finally got a chance to take a listen to the album proper. Loving it so far. I was about halfway through Mercy when I realized that it was the song from the Arkham Knight commercial. :lol
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I must be the only DirecTV subscriber because no one mentioned the Muse concert they aired on their channel.
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I got Drones a few days ago. I became a MASSIVE Muse fan back in around 2001-2002, I don't listen to them as much as I used to due to new artists coming into my life etc. but I'll always love and respect them. Unfortunately I felt that they went off the boil a bit with Resistance and 2nd Law, there are some amazing tracks on those records (2nd Law moreso than Resistance, although MK Ultra and the symphony at the end of Resistance are sublime) but I kinda lost interest by the time Drones appeared. Just got round to buying it finally though!
Regarding the record, I'm actually pretty impressed with it, there are a few tracks I'm totally besotted with already, namely Dead Inside, Psycho, Reapers and most of all, The Handler. I love the way they seem to have gotten back to their raw dirty guitar-drive roots on those tracks, The Globalist seems pretty awesome so far too from the bits that have sunk in, I initially thought hey cool, I like the way they've taken a bit of inspiration from Elgar for that track until they actually launched pretty much into a rendition haha. One of the things I dig most about Muse has always been the way they've fused classical music with rock, Bellamy is underrated as a pianist in my opinion. But yeah, The Handler is the absolute standout for me so far, I can't explain how hard that track is hitting me right now. I've had it basically on repeat.
As usually happens, once I listen to Muse I get sucked back into a huge Muse binge that can last days to weeks... been listening through their back catalogue over the past few days amongst Drones and whenever that happens it really sinks in how much this band has and will always mean to me. Pretty much ever major even in my life from the ages of about 12-22 has a Muse track attached to it, they were the soundtrack to my voyage into discovering my own music. They have an insanely high percentage of quality songs in their body of work, I'm really excited to see how Drones ages and settles in amongst classics like Origin, Absolution and Black Holes. I think this album may be what kinda rejuvenates my love for this band from a past nostalgia to a current adoration.
Album ranking cos why not:
Origin of Symmetry
Absolution
Black Holes and Revelations
2nd Law
Showbiz (the songs on it I love I REALLY love, there just aren't enough of them)
Resistance (feels weird for a record containing the Exogensis Symphony to not be automatically at the top but yeah...)
Too early to say how Drones fits into there.
Special mention goes to the Hullabaloo b-sides disc which contains my all-time favourite Muse song and probably top three songs of all time by anyone, Hyper Chondriac Music. That song is so painful to listen to but got me through one of the hardest times of my life, it's my third most played track on last.fm with 950 plays, and the majority of its time spent with me was before I even got that account lol. Whenever I play that track it feels like coming home. It's the weirdest feeling. It makes me feel all snuggled up and shut off from the world. I have a beautiful memory of listening to it on headphones on a coach driving through the mountains in Switzerland at 5am as the sun rose, all of my friends asleep around me, just me and the song. The people I love already know that I want this song on at my funeral.
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Bellamy is underrated as a pianist in my opinion.
I think it's undoubtedly his best instrument.
I must be the only DirecTV subscriber because no one mentioned the Muse concert they aired on their channel.
While this album seems to be liked, the excitement level for it seems to not be very high. I can relate, because while I like it, I am not getting that "I have to listen to it" vibe from it. Most of the time when I do listen to it, it's because I was reminded by someone or something that, hey, Muse has a new CD out, so I should probably give it a go again.
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I'm worried Muse might have already hit ceiling with their incredibly strong early albums. Drones, being a good album and everything, feels...bland. It feels safe, so to speak. I feel they're in a position in which they know that anything they put out is going to be loved and worshiped by millions, so they aren't taking bold risks anymore. Heck, even 2nd Law was a bold move back in 2012. After listening to Drones many times I've come to the conclusion that they even had a shortage of fresh ideas this time (some of The Globalist's main vocal and melodic ideas are extremely similar to some of Unnatural Selection and United States of Eurasia); but hey...I can't blame them. They deserve being where they are, in the top of the music world...though I'm just sayin' that it's extremely hard to be there. Heck, even The Beatles couldn't handle it once they were in their absolute top game :D
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Yep, I definitely hear some melodies in there that are similar to previous ones. Recycled melodies, if you will. ;)
I agree with a lot of your point. Again, I like Drones quite a bit, but it does seem like kind of a "band on auto-pilot" release. The good news is that Muse's less than great stuff is still mostly highly enjoyable, at least to me.
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Drones is a bit lacking in variety, I feel, which is its biggest weakness, it's still a solid album though. Not amazing but, okay. I like it more than the last two.
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Drones is a bit lacking in variety, I feel, which is its biggest weakness, it's still a solid album though. Not amazing but, okay. I like it more than the last two.
Funnily enough, I think that its 'lack of variety' is one of its strengths. The record, although dull and uninspired in parts, feels cohesive musically and stylistically. One of my biggest gripes with The Resistance was that it tried to be lots of things, and didn't quite get there in most of them (unlike Black Holes, which is a tour-de-force of musical styles and succeeded in making something amazing out of that).
Oh, and for the record...my favorite track off the album is Drones. No kidding. I'd kill to listen to a real choir adaptation of that.
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I don't think that Drones is weak at all, but I do think that it's sorta samey, all in all. It does have some very good songs though, and the title track is stunning.
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One reason I like Absolution a lot is because it's both all over the place and yet very consistent and cohesive. Drones has the second one of those, sure, but it's lacking in the first.
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I guess when you blow your load with albums like Origin, Absolution and Black Holes so early in your career, it's kinda hard to know where to take it from there!
I love how so many of the tracks on Drones remind me of the early Muse, just three people bashing away at their instruments, there's something beautifully raw about songs like Psycho, The Handler and Reapers. I really fucking dig the riffs and verses and energy in Reapers although I definitely didn't expect the chorus to go where it did!
It's pretty weird as someone who got into Muse back as an early teen to see them still going and releasing music now I'm in my late twenties. Weird in a good way but when I listen to tracks like Deadstar and Fury it's hard to recognise it's the same band! I always forget to listen to their older stuff like Showbiz, but this album has sparked such a Muse fest in my life right now. Showbiz, what a song. Those vocals, that anguish and depth. That A flat (I think... Relying on 15 years of memory!).
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When Muse finally hits the States, they had better start playing Aftermath, The Globalist and Defector live. Those songs will always slay live. :metal
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No one agrees with my comment from two weeks ago? :censored :lol :biggrin:
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i dunno, reapers is the song they should be hyping up
i haven't listened to this album in a long time now, forgot about it pretty quick :lol
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Well yeah, Reapers is the clear standout from it, but those songs I mentioned need to get the live treatment, too. They just have so many songs that crowds go bonkers for, it's hard not to play most of them, which makes it hard to squeeze in too many new songs, especially as their number of albums grow.
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I would love to see The Globalist live.
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Getting tickets to see Muse on December 5th. :caffeine:
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I've been spinning The 2nd Law lately and it amazes me how superior it is over Drones. I mean, it took 2nd Law some time to grow on me, but once it did I found some true beauty in it. On the other hand, I haven't had the urge or desire to listen anything off Drones in the last couple of months.
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I agree The 2nd Law is superior, although I liked Drones as well.
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I've been spinning The 2nd Law lately and it amazes me how superior it is over Drones. I mean, it took 2nd Law some time to grow on me, but once it did I found some true beauty in it. On the other hand, I haven't had the urge or desire to listen anything off Drones in the last couple of months.
I agree. I like Drones, but it never really grabbed me by the throat and forced me to listen to it non-stop for any kind of sustained period. I don't dislike any songs from it, but the only songs from it that I ever listen to anymore are Dead Inside, Reapers, Aftermath and The Globalist.
Meanwhile, I still think everything on The 2nd Law is great, and I can still listen to that one from start to finish without ever wanting to hit skip.
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I agree with pretty much everything that Kev said, though I would add The Handler to the list of enjoyable songs - the bass on that song is amazing, and I love the groove throughout. Also, the title track is pretty cool.
Still, that's half of the album that I don't much care for, so I rarely come back to it. The 2nd Law and Origins of Symmetry are the only two Muse albums that I find myself listening to with regularity, tbh.
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I haven't spun Drones in some months now, or even at all this year, but I have been listening to their first four albums over the course of the last few days, both at home and during my commutes around town/to and from work, and I have to say, I still REALLY dig their first three albums, a lot. They sound so fresh and there's a lot in their first three that sort of seems lost in their following albums. The songs miss something that was present in those, but I couldn't tell you what exactly. I really dig the piano and keyboards a lot in the first couple of albums, so maybe that's what it is. Who knows.
I've been listening in chronological order, so I'll catch back up to Drones at some point this or next week. I'm currently on BH&R, and it's as good as I remember it. I also remember hearing some of these tracks a LOT due to the radio and just hearing them whenever I go out. They definitely got a LOT of play back when the album and its singles came out, didn't they?
-Marc.
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Yeah, that album got a shitton of play. I remember hearing Map of the Problematique on TV during a horse race program and being like :huh: :lol
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I once noticed both Hysteria & Supermassive Black Hole being played in one and the same cooking show in Germany and I was quite confused as well.
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I am *SUPER* late to the party on Muse. I heard Knights of Cydonia on Rock Band and heard everyone talk about the comparisons to Never Enough when Octavarium first came out. But beyond that I had not heard a note.
My cousin/daughter (cousin whom has become like a daughter to me) showed me The Globalist, and I LOVED it. I went out and picked up Drones, and I really love it.
I've been wondering what Mutt Lange was up to lately. Is this the first thing he's produced since breaking up with Shania?
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Not sure, but if you like Drones a lot, way till you hear their other albums. Don't get me wrong, Drones is a highly enjoyable record, but not quite as great as most of their others. Enjoy. :tup :tup
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"Dig Down" being released 1-week from today, 5/18
https://twitter.com/muse/status/862677698195447810
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Nice. Seems faster than usual.
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I know it's been two years, but why does it feel like they moved on from Drones really quickly. I feel like they barely toured it.
Regardless, excited for the new track
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Muse should be a band I really dig but for some reason I can't enjoy a lot of their stuff.
I enjoy the odd song here and there but not really a fan of their albums. BH&R was ok though.
I really love Hysteria. Uprising. Knights of Cydonia is cool. Plug in baby is alright. Supermassive Black Hole is...alright..
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I know it's been two years, but why does it feel like they moved on from Drones really quickly. I feel like they barely toured it.
In this day and age of most things being one extreme or the other, Drones was a rare exception, in that it seemed to be a record that most thought was good or solid. I never saw a ton of major praise or major criticism of it.
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I know it's been two years, but why does it feel like they moved on from Drones really quickly. I feel like they barely toured it.
In this day and age of most things being one extreme or the other, Drones was a rare exception, in that it seemed to be a record that most thought was good or solid. I never saw a ton of major praise or major criticism of it.
You know, I agree with both of you. I really don't feel like, for a band as big as Muse, that Drones made much noise. I also agree that no one seemed to think it was their worst or their best. We know it existed, but we'll look back and have a hard time showing proof of it. :lol
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New single doesn't necessarily mean new album, right? Or am I missing some information?
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My mindset keeps telling me that 2nd Law was the last album. Drones came out. I bought Drones. I've listened to the album before. I like a few of the songs, but overall it never stuck out that hard for me and I keep forgetting it exists. :lol
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I'm like that with Warning by Green Day. I always think that American Idiot came out 7 years after Nimrod then I remember Warning exists.
I even really like the album I just always forget about it :p
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In retrospect, Drones was just slightly underwhelming. There was nothing wrong with it aside from several lyrical faux pas, but there are only occasional moments of brilliance. The 2nd law was more impressive.
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I found The 2nd Law better than Drones as well.
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I know it's been two years, but why does it feel like they moved on from Drones really quickly. I feel like they barely toured it.
In this day and age of most things being one extreme or the other, Drones was a rare exception, in that it seemed to be a record that most thought was good or solid. I never saw a ton of major praise or major criticism of it.
You know, I agree with both of you. I really don't feel like, for a band as big as Muse, that Drones made much noise. I also agree that no one seemed to think it was their worst or their best. We know it existed, but we'll look back and have a hard time showing proof of it. :lol
Exactly. :lol :lol
New single doesn't necessarily mean new album, right? Or am I missing some information?
Not necessarily.
In retrospect, Drones was just slightly underwhelming. There was nothing wrong with it aside from several lyrical faux pas, but there are only occasional moments of brilliance. The 2nd law was more impressive.
Very much so. The 2nd Law was mostly great. Drones has a few songs I often revisit - Reapers, Aftermath, Dead Inside and The Globalist - but the rest is all just kind of there. I mean, nothing is bad (except those really stupid lyrics in Psycho), but those songs are just kind of...there.
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I don't know about you guys but I got fatigued a bit with this band so I didn't play the Drones that much.
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Muse should be a band I really dig but for some reason I can't enjoy a lot of their stuff.
I enjoy the odd song here and there but not really a fan of their albums. BH&R was ok though.
I really love Hysteria. Uprising. Knights of Cydonia is cool. Plug in baby is alright. Supermassive Black Hole is...alright..
This has always been me with Muse. I feel like, in theory I would love their stuff, but it's always been totally hit or miss for me.
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A large part of it is that I can't take a frontman seriously who believes every conspiracy theory going.
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A large part of it is that I can't take a frontman seriously who believes every conspiracy theory going.
Does he? I never read up on that.
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Haha. He's notorious for it.
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I never read about the band. Well, now I'll check that out.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4ozdiGys5g
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Matt had a (pre-taped) interview on my local Philly rock station this morning and stated the next album isn't due out till likely fall or late 2018.
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Matt has to study the next 12 issues of Fortean Times and The Enquirer first ;)
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The new song is pretty good. Nothing too fancy, and a more than obvious attempt to write Madness Part 2, but a solid tune.
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And they're sounding like 80's synth rock again.. I hate to sound like that guy, but where are the freakin' real drums, bass and guitar. This pastiche of 80's Queen-isms they've done before, and better. Ugh.
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Wow that was so boring. I kept expecting it to kick in - but it never does.
Reminded me of Queen covering One Tree Hill.
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Matt had a (pre-taped) interview on my local Philly rock station this morning and stated the next album isn't due out till likely fall or late 2018.
That's too bad. I listened to the new song, liked it and started getting my hopes up for an album. :lol
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I don't know about you guys but I got fatigued a bit with this band so I didn't play the Drones that much.
Same here.
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I actually liked ' Drones' a lot.
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The new song was ok. But easily the safest "single" they've released, not one thing even vaguely new about it and the vocal harmonies just not nearly as lush as in Madness or Undisclosed Desires. Still, it's pretty enough.
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And they're sounding like 80's synth rock again.. I hate to sound like that guy, but where are the freakin' real drums, bass and guitar. This pastiche of 80's Queen-isms they've done before, and better. Ugh.
Yeah, this song just ain't resonating with me at all.
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Hahaha wow, that was just horrendous. Worst chorus I've heard in a damn long time, and it's not like anything else in the song makes up for it.
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Hahaha wow, that was just horrendous. Worst chorus I've heard in a damn long time, and it's not like anything else in the song makes up for it.
Not a fan of the new single either. The only cool thing about the video is the Max Headroom reference.
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That's Muse for me. Either they do really cool songs like Hysteria or Uprising.
If it's bland synth junk like Dig Down.
It's frustrating and a big factor in why I don't check them out more.
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Wow, I kept expecting that song to go somewhere...and it never really did.
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This joins Madness as probably the two worst Muse songs ever written imo.
Where is the catchiness and melody of Undisclosed Desires or Dead Inside? Terrible, terrible song. The best thing are the "Muse fans" trying to justify it as something amazing.
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Mmm, not a fan of this at all.
Muse are definitely one of those "hit or miss" bands for me. Some excellent songs, but others are a chore to sit through.
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Dig Down keeps building and then nothing happens.
Kept expecting a huge chorus.
Nope.
Listened to Hysteria today. What a tune that is. Incredible.
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It is slightly laid back and not that in-your-face, but I thought that was part of its charm. I don't think it's bad at all.
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Ok vocal arrangement, but nothing else to write home about. Pretty much like modern pop to me. I don't like the instrumental part, and the melody isn't all that good. There's just no meat, nothing to make me interested in listening to it again.
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Dig Down keeps building and then nothing happens.
Kept expecting a huge chorus.
Nope.
Listened to Hysteria today. What a tune that is. Incredible.
Everything on Absolution is amazing to be honest.
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This joins Madness as probably the two worst Muse songs ever written imo.
Where is the catchiness and melody of Undisclosed Desires or Dead Inside? Terrible, terrible song. The best thing are the "Muse fans" trying to justify it as something amazing.
:eek :eek Madness is a really good song!
As for the Muse fans trying to justify it as amazing, where are you seeing that?
Everything on Absolution is amazing to be honest.
Now, this is I mostly agree with, although a couple songs on it are just good, but the great majority of it is amazing, yes. :tup :tup
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This joins Madness as probably the two worst Muse songs ever written imo.
Where is the catchiness and melody of Undisclosed Desires or Dead Inside? Terrible, terrible song. The best thing are the "Muse fans" trying to justify it as something amazing.
Yeah Undisclosed Desires is a good example of an electronic track from Muse that's not terrible.
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This joins Madness as probably the two worst Muse songs ever written imo.
Where is the catchiness and melody of Undisclosed Desires or Dead Inside? Terrible, terrible song. The best thing are the "Muse fans" trying to justify it as something amazing.
Yeah Undisclosed Desires is a good example of an electronic track from Muse that's not terrible.
Not terrible? It's the shining star among what is otherwise mostly a sea of mediocrity.
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Indeed.
Also a lot of Muse songs sound like pastiches of songs you've heard before.
What's that song off Drones that is pretty much exactly Road House Blues ?
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Dunno, but Drones was a big disappointment. I actually really enjoy both Resistance and The 2nd Law, but I just don't see the relistening value in Drones. There's like two good songs at max, the rest are just rehashed or completely uninspired to me.
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It was Psycho.
They might as well have released a 12 bar boogie.
Also the album was produced by Mutt Lange and everything sounds so flat.
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Well tbh it's based on a fan favourite 0-3-0-5 riff that hey used to play after Stockholm Syndrome live. Wish they kept it at that, it's not really good enough to be it's entire song with cringe-worthy lyrics.
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U.S. tour started tonight in Tampa. Should be interesting to see what songs from Drones remain in the set list.
I will be seeing them next month. :hat
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The Globalist is still in there. :metal
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Muse is taking a beating on their own forum today because of the ultra-safe and short set list last night. Five songs still from Drones, and Reapers is not one of them? Oof. Hoping for some changes before our show next month.
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They opened with Dig Down? That seems odd. Maybe in the middle of the set, but right away-- and it's not even that energetic
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As great as they are live, I always find it disappointing to see their set lists and see how safe they always play it. They have so many great deep cuts on almost all of their albums, yet most of them never see the light of day. I get that they have "hits" that need to be played, but it's not like there isn't room to squeeze in a few deep cuts every night.
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I listened to Dig Down once and I still have that chorus playing in my head. That might be because either it's incredibly catchy or because it's incredibly easy and unimaginative. Also, Barcelona by Freddy Mercury & Montserrat Caballe keeps playing while thinking of Dig Down, because it has the same chords. I hope I'm not alone with that :D
Dig Down is indeed a Madness rip off, the opening synth alone gives that away. But Madness had a climax at the end. They could have added a nice huge chord change in the end, but it just ends with the same chords that have been played through the whole song.
Let's see if grows on me. I didn't like Madness in the beginning either. Dig Down is also a Queen rip off, just as Madness was.
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Serious question: what Queen song does Madness rip off?
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Sounds a lot like I Want To Break Free to me. Also, the vocal chords in Madness are very Freddy-like.
But Muse has always done that, no criticism. I love Queen and I have nothing against honoring your idols. United States Of Eurasia is also very Queenish, but also very Kashmirish imho. It's still a brilliant tune.
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Well, yeah, I could see some of their songs sounded inspired by Queen, while not sounding like any specific Queen song. Big Freeze is a great example.
United States of Eurasia is a good tune, but that is one that sounds like We Are the Champions at times, like the buildup to the chorus. And then they top if off with the "There can be only one!" line. Highlander, anyone? :lol
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Madness+queen+freedom from george michael
As a tribute band member, this song made me sad, I feel cheated because they kind of talked about back to basic, then drones, then some testing, but not redoing T2L in worse :(
I don't wanna play this sh*t lol
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Then don't play it. :lol :lol
I would think you could play all of OoS, Absolution and BH&R, and you'd be just fine. :tup :tup
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Madness always reminded me of I Want To Break Free.
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It's probably the guitar solo. Some Bellamy solos just scream "BRIAN MAY GUITAR TONE!!!!" And that is one of them, along with Big Freeze and Neutron Star Collision.
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That and the lighter tone in the verses.
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Well, as a big fan of both Queen and Muse, I love hearing little nods to Queen in Muse's music. I wonder what Brian May thinks of their music.
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Just checked out Dig Down and it's not bad, not great but it terrible.
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You're right. It Terrible. :neverusethis:
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That's what I get for trying to post on my phone at work :lol
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I threw it one my phone the other day to see if cracking it up during a workout would help, but nope, that didn't make it better. My initial thought was that it was a solid tune, but it gets boring fast. I suspect it will join MK Ultra and Supremacy on my list of Muse songs I never listen to.
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I wonder how it felt for the band when they finished writing Hysteria.
Must have been one of those :lolpalm: moments where you all laugh whilst playing it coz you love it so much and are proud of it.
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MK Ultra is a pretty good song though. Supremacy is kinda boring, but not bad in the way Dig Down is.
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In my opinion, Supremacy is one of the best Muse songs ever!
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I'm not sure what's happened to Muse - might just be a case of they made it and now have simply become lazy. Symmetry and Absolution were total beasts of albums (Showbiz is good, but letdown by weak production). Blackholes is more mixed for me, but the highs and that album are among the best things they've done - still a fine album. Resistance I actually enjoy. But after that it's been bad 2nd Law was horrible and Drones forgettable. This new song is just boring.
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That's what i'd be worried about if I was in a successful band.
Well this album's not great but we have fans who will buy it no matter what so put it out and we'll tour for 2 years and make £££ - then never play it again.
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There are so many factors that can come into play. Tastes will change and some bands want to try something new.
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The 2nd Law was fantastic and Drones was solid, so I think they're doing just fine.
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Three certainties in life: death, taxes and Muse kicking ass live. The last one was proven again tonight. :tup :tup
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Set list last night was great, as we got a couple of songs that have only been played a few times so far this tour:
Dig Down
Psycho
Hysteria
Map of the Problematique
Bliss
Isolated System (abbreviated slightly)
The Handler
Supermassive Black Hole
New Kind of Kick (cover)
Madness
Dead Inside
Munich Jam
Starlight
Time Is Running Out
Mercy
The Globalist
Drones
Uprising
Knights of Cydonia (with the harmonica intro)
Getting both Bliss and Map... made my night. :coolio
Six songs from Drones, and one of them not being Reapers, is still hard to believe, but the show was so good that I didn't care.
Muse fans everywhere online are losing their minds of the New King of Kick cover, since they are doing it "live," with all of Bellamy's parts pre-recorded and on the screen, while the other two play live on stage, but it's 3-minute freaking song, people. Get over it.
The Globalist might be a bit too stretched out for the average Muse fan, but I enjoyed the hell out of it.
Knights of Cydonia is in the conversation for most amazing live song ever. #captainobvious
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The problem with New Kind of Kick isn't the projection, but the fact that the song is absolutely terrible.
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I think it's supposed to be a cheeky, silly cover, not to be taken seriously. Heck, the video they did for it last year had a Halloween theme, so while I am on board with it not being anything notable, I think many are missing the point of it.
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That's exactly why I don't like that it's taking a spot of another worthwhile song. It's okay as a cheeky cover. Why play it live though...
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To me, the bigger question, why is Muse still playing shows less than 100 minutes as a headliner? Don't get me wrong, they kicked ass last night, but there is no reason for them to not play a 2-hour show. Then again, Bellamy's voice has lost a little bit, so shorter shows put less wear and tear on it, I suppose.
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I just saw them at the Bunbury Festival on June 4th. They headlined, and closed out the festival Sunday night. There are very few bands today that can play as solidly live. They only had a very rushed 2 hours, but Bellamy riffed everything from Sabbath, to Zeppelin, to the Scorpions on extended solo jams between songs. You could tell, he was having fun, and didn't want each song to end. After almost every song, Chris and Dominic would watch him go off on some tangent for a while, laugh at him, then jump in on an extended jam. The crowd went nuts every time.
Their sound was incredible and the stage show was superb!
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Is there anyone else who doesn't really care about interludes, solos and riffs by other bands? I would exchange those spots in the set for one more Muse song, or maybe even two.
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Is there anyone else who doesn't really care about interludes, solos and riffs by other bands? I would exchange those spots in the set for one more Muse song, or maybe even two.
There are TWO solos I long for in live shows: Neil Peart´s and Eddie Van Halen´s. Anything aside from that could be replaced by another song.
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I detest solo spots honestly. Especially drum solos. Even as a drummer I don't find anything appealing in listening to that.
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I'll make myself clearer, since I don't mind when band members perform a solo spot here and there. Muse, however, does it way too much. There are way too many extended outros, jams, solo spots and riffs. When it's a jazz fusion band, I could appreciate it, but Muse could use that time to bust out AT LEAST three hugely catchy tunes and entertain twice as much. I would at least be a lot more satisfied.
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I just saw them at the Bunbury Festival on June 4th. They headlined, and closed out the festival Sunday night. There are very few bands today that can play as solidly live. They only had a very rushed 2 hours, but Bellamy riffed everything from Sabbath, to Zeppelin, to the Scorpions on extended solo jams between songs. You could tell, he was having fun, and didn't want each song to end. After almost every song, Chris and Dominic would watch him go off on some tangent for a while, laugh at him, then jump in on an extended jam. The crowd went nuts every time.
Their sound was incredible and the stage show was superb!
:tup :tup
Is there anyone else who doesn't really care about interludes, solos and riffs by other bands? I would exchange those spots in the set for one more Muse song, or maybe even two.
By and large, I agree, but every time I have seen Muse, the added-on intros or outros are usually pretty short, so I don't mind them. I get that it's easy to say that if they got rid of all of them, that would be enough time to play another full song, but since they usually play their songs pretty faithful to the studio versions, those short little spots give them a chance to do something different and maybe even ad lib a bit.
There are TWO solos I long for in live shows: Neil Peart´s and Eddie Van Halen´s.
I used to feel the same way, but even on the last few Rush tours, I was like "let's get over with it" when it came to Peart's drum solo. :eek :eek
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Neil Peart's solo spots are usually among the best drum solos imo, even if I'm not really a big fan of him. They are much more musical than Portnoy's "RLRL KK RLRL" and Mangini's "looks how fast I can play singlestrokes" solos for example.
I've never seen Rush so I can't say how well it translated live though. :tup
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I went to see Muse last night at the Vital festival in Belfast. My first time seeing them. Excellent performance! The bass player is really cool to watch, and the engine room of the bas & drums is just brilliant.
The stage show was also very impressive, though one annoying thing was that the screens either side of the stage were delayed by maybe half a second, which was a pain.
I just wish I was more familiar with their songs before I went. The crowd around me seemed to know all the words, and two guys were trying to predict the next song from the intro jams between songs.
It was an outdoor venue - I think next time I'd like to see them play inside.
Set list here: https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/muse/2017/boucher-playing-fields-belfast-northern-ireland-4be2bbe2.html
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Matt needs to start playing his guitar more. I give the song a thumbs down because he only gives us a small hint of guitar solo and then cuts it off. I have been disatisfied with several of their recent songs due to the lack of guitars. I guess he just wants to sing and not have to focus on playing.
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Matt needs to start playing his guitar more. I give the song a thumbs down because he only gives us a small hint of guitar solo and then cuts it off. I have been disatisfied with several of their recent songs due to the lack of guitars. I guess he just wants to sing and not have to focus on playing.
I think it's clear that he is embracing more of the Bono role since opening for U2 earlier this decade, and that is hard to do when you have a guitar on you for an entire show. Considering Bellamy does a fantastic job being a front man and working the crowd, I am fine with it. Even though Dig Down didn't have a ton of guitar, Drones as a whole did. I am not worried about the guitar suddenly taking a back seat.
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I'm late to the party, but I actually like when bands jam out. To me, it's a concert not a recital. I'm not a huge fan of just seeing note for note rehashes of albums. I like it when guys mix it up.
As for Muse, I really enjoyed Absolution. Everything after that just hasn't clicked. It doesn't help that Matt's voice is incredibly grating after a while, so pop tunes centered around his vocals really don't do it for me. I'm also not much of a Queen fan so their increased influence doesn't work for me. It's kinda like BTBAM when they embraced Queen and DT on their most recent, and I was just disinterested. Which is fine, not every band has to pursue every fan. I can still see how others would really enjoy them.
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I threw it one my phone the other day to see if cracking it up during a workout would help, but nope, that didn't make it better. My initial thought was that it was a solid tune, but it gets boring fast. I suspect it will join MK Ultra and Supremacy on my list of Muse songs I never listen to.
Mk ultra is great
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Matt needs to start playing his guitar more. I give the song a thumbs down because he only gives us a small hint of guitar solo and then cuts it off. I have been disatisfied with several of their recent songs due to the lack of guitars. I guess he just wants to sing and not have to focus on playing.
I think it's clear that he is embracing more of the Bono role since opening for U2 earlier this decade, and that is hard to do when you have a guitar on you for an entire show. Considering Bellamy does a fantastic job being a front man and working the crowd, I am fine with it. Even though Dig Down didn't have a ton of guitar, Drones as a whole did. I am not worried about the guitar suddenly taking a back seat.
Besides, he only learned the guitar in the first place because you can't pull rock star poses playing the piano. :lol
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bump.
new song/video "Thought Contagion"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ_3S-IQm38
edit: Thriller much?
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also new interview talking about their new album influenced by the show Black Mirror
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1o50lIOFAU
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Enjoyable little song, one that will kick ass live with that sing-along chorus. Love me some Muse. :coolio
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Eh I think the song is very good actually.
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Well, leave it to Muse to bring out a very weird video, but yeah, there was a Thriller-inspired scene there. Yeah, the song is all right. I enjoyed it better than Dig Down.
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It's alright I guess. Much better than Dig Down and half of Drones, but worse than anything on The 2nd Law imo. I think that album gets a lot of undeserving hate.
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The 2nd Law has many good tracks :tup
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The 2nd Law is mostly great. I still think the running order is a little odd - Unsustainable should have been first, Isolated System is a middle of the CD kinda song, and Survival should have been last - but it's still a record chock full of killer tunes.
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OMG I'm again so happy not being in a muse tribute anymore...!
Imagine dragons and coldplay had a child ?
To me , the song is as bad as the fact that the solo is just the chorus voice melody copy-pasted to the guitar.
Second uninspired plagiarism, I think I'll try to never listen to any future song of their.
PS: The thriller easter egg was cheaper than scary movie
Yup, I'm disappointed
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Not sure what happened to Muse for me. I basically can't enjoy them that much anymore. Loved Knight of Cydonia, all the Queen-inspired but fresh songs and all that heavy riffing they were doing before. The Resistance and 2nd Law was very uneven to me and even if there are some pretty cool experimentation and songs there I never really want to go back and listen to it. At least not without using the skip buttons a couple of times.
Seeing them live for the first time was amazing and such an energetic experience. Now it's just good. Nothing more. Saw them live on The Drones tour and basically waited for the concert to end at some point. Drones didn't work at all for me.
The new track was good I guess. Just feel very standard Muse. I am missing the groove or at least some part of the song where I will go "haha shit that was weirdly awesome!". Supermassive Blackhole and Uprising had that at least.
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'Showbiz' showed potential.
'Origins - Absolution - Black Holes' was a fantastic run of albums.
'The Resistance' was a step down, but still a hugely fun album.
'2nd Law' was pretty weak, feels like a bunch of b-sides.
'Drones' felt like a back to basics albums - but lacking any real inspiration. Just a collection of lower tier Muse songs that are rather forgettable.
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'Showbiz' showed potential.
'Origins - Absolution - Black Holes' was a fantastic run of albums.
'The Resistance' was a step down, but still a hugely fun album.
'2nd Law' was pretty weak, feels like a bunch of b-sides.
'Drones' felt like a back to basics albums - but lacking any real inspiration. Just a collection of lower tier Muse songs that are rather forgettable.
That was a great summary! :tup
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My quick review would be more like that:
'Showbiz' - I don't like much.
'Origins' - showed potential.
'Absolution' - truly a great album.
Black Holes' - fantastic album, my fave!
'The Resistance' - was a little step down from the previous two, but I like it immensely.
'2nd Law' e 'Drones' - slightly under 'The resistance', but I like them almost the same way.
So I guess I'm a great fan of Muse's more recent style... with that said, these new two songs are incredibly boring! I'm officially afraid that I won't like the next record.
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Sweet set list tonight in Paris at the "by request" show:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/muse/2018/la-cigale-paris-france-23ee74e7.html
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July 12th, worldwide screenings from the Drones tour.
https://www.musedrones.film/
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My brother and I saw the Drones concert film tonight on the big screen.
Mostly really good, although the sound wasn't great (too much treble), which I hope was more about the cinema than the mixing, since I am sure a DVD/Blu-ray release is inevitable. And I can do without the ADHD quick cuts at times, but that is a minor quibble. As always, Muse brings it. :metal
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My brother and I saw the Drones concert film tonight on the big screen.
Mostly really good, although the sound wasn't great (too much treble), which I hope was more about the cinema than the mixing, since I am sure a DVD/Blu-ray release is inevitable. And I can do without the ADHD quick cuts at times, but that is a minor quibble. As always, Muse brings it. :metal
Could not agree more with you both on the sound and the quick cuts. I saw it yesterday, pretty impressive but the sound having too much treble was something that annoyed me a little bit.
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Could not agree more with you both on the sound and the quick cuts. I saw it yesterday, pretty impressive but the sound having too much treble was something that annoyed me a little bit.
For sure. Not to pick more nits, but they seem to relying more and more on backing tracks. I like when a band uses them to add a little here or a little there, but they seem to be using them pretty heavily at times. Seems like their spontaneity on stage has taken a real hit as a result.
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New song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azAEHCQgcUI&feature=youtu.be
I am sure online Muse fans will shit all over it, because that is what they do, but I like it.
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New song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azAEHCQgcUI&feature=youtu.be
I am sure online Muse fans will shit all over it, because that is what they do, but I like it.
That was AWFUL.
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New song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azAEHCQgcUI&feature=youtu.be
I am sure online Muse fans will shit all over it, because that is what they do, but I like it.
That was AWFUL.
I can predict the future! :P
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New song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azAEHCQgcUI&feature=youtu.be
I am sure online Muse fans will shit all over it, because that is what they do, but I like it.
That was AWFUL.
I can predict the future! :P
That's like saying Maiden will play Fear of the Dark on their next tour...
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The music video is fucking amazing, I'll give them that. Some sort of Gunship/Gorillaz style fusion
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Yeah, that new song's really not my cup of tea. :-\
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My quick review would be more like that:
'Showbiz' - I don't like much.
'Origins' - showed potential.
'Absolution' - truly a great album.
Black Holes' - fantastic album, my fave!
'The Resistance' - was a little step down from the previous two, but I like it immensely.
'2nd Law' e 'Drones' - slightly under 'The resistance', but I like them almost the same way.
So I guess I'm a great fan of Muse's more recent style... with that said, these new two songs are incredibly boring! I'm officially afraid that I won't like the next record.
This is closer to my views, though I like Origin and 2nd Law a lot more and Black Holes a bit less. I've liked all their albums and in terms of which ones are better than others, they've been a bit up and down for me.
In terms of the new songs, they're fine I guess but it's hard to know what the album will sound like.
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New song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azAEHCQgcUI&feature=youtu.be
I am sure online Muse fans will shit all over it, because that is what they do, but I like it.
To me this one is the best from the most recent releases. I like a lot their most mellow/pop side. And the arrangement on this one is very original :tup
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So they basically released three singles over the last year and there's still no word of a new album? I could never get excited about just singles. Either drop the whole record already, or get out.
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They said new album in November didn't they?
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I thought they mentioned at some point (I believe around the time Dig Down was released?) that Drones might be their last album for a while and they will just continue releasing singles or groups of songs (EPs?) for a couple more years
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They said new album in November didn't they?
Yes, it's this interview:
https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/8466062/muse-matt-bellamy-new-single-something-human-interview
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I've actually enjoyed the three singles they've released so far, and I'm looking forward to the new album this fall!
I know it's only been another 3 years since Drones, and since the release of Absolution, they've been on a 3-year-gap between albums, but it's felt like a LOT longer than that. Perhaps it's because I didn't really get into Drones at the time of release, and was still digesting The 2nd Law after all that time. Who knows, but I can't wait to see/hear what they've got in store for the full album!
-Marc.
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new album is titled Simulation Theory per:
https://www.musewiki.org/Simulation_Theory_(album%29
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So they basically released three singles over the last year and there's still no word of a new album? I could never get excited about just singles. Either drop the whole record already, or get out.
I think more bands are going to start doing this. "Hey, we have an idea for a song, so let's record it and release it." Why not? In this day and age, you can throw it on YouTube right away and fans can buy it digitally right away. I dig it.
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new album is titled Simulation Theory per:
https://www.musewiki.org/Simulation_Theory_(album%29
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New song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azAEHCQgcUI&feature=youtu.be
I am sure online Muse fans will shit all over it, because that is what they do, but I like it.
Not a bad tune :tup
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Bellamy answered a bunch of questions on Twitter tonight.
I was a little bummed that, when asked if the new album would have piano, he said there would be bits. Sounds like another album with no piano-driven songs. :(
As great as they still were live last year when I saw them, it was a bummer that the section where he sits down at the piano for 2-4 songs seems to have gone by the wayside. Hopefully, it was just a Drones tour thing, but with there not likely to be any piano songs on the new album, I'd be surprised if they bring that section back live.
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Bellamy answered a bunch of questions on Twitter tonight.
I was a little bummed that, when asked if the new album would have piano, he said there would be bits. Sounds like another album with no piano-driven songs. :(
As great as they still were live last year when I saw them, it was a bummer that the section where he sits down at the piano for 2-4 songs seems to have gone by the wayside. Hopefully, it was just a Drones tour thing, but with there not likely to be any piano songs on the new album, I'd be surprised if they bring that section back live.
Muse are doing a lot of little things like that and they're starting to add up, for me.
Their by request sets were genuinely excellent, but they sort of feel like an apology for their increasingly-rote sets that I can't see going anywhere any time soon. Matt described Thought Contagion as "Fury II" - which it definitely bloody isn't.
There was a time when it felt like Muse were plugging directly into my brain and making a band just for me. I don't hate any of the new songs (and I think Dig Down is brilliant), but it feels like that genius has left them a little, lately. I'm definitely going to keep listening, but I don't know how much longer I'll be following every single movement.
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I don't understand how you can get behind their new pseudo-pop music (and not even good at that) when you know what they used to be capable of.
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Bellamy answered a bunch of questions on Twitter tonight.
I was a little bummed that, when asked if the new album would have piano, he said there would be bits. Sounds like another album with no piano-driven songs. :(
As great as they still were live last year when I saw them, it was a bummer that the section where he sits down at the piano for 2-4 songs seems to have gone by the wayside. Hopefully, it was just a Drones tour thing, but with there not likely to be any piano songs on the new album, I'd be surprised if they bring that section back live.
Muse are doing a lot of little things like that and they're starting to add up, for me.
Their by request sets were genuinely excellent, but they sort of feel like an apology for their increasingly-rote sets that I can't see going anywhere any time soon. Matt described Thought Contagion as "Fury II" - which it definitely bloody isn't.
There was a time when it felt like Muse were plugging directly into my brain and making a band just for me. I don't hate any of the new songs (and I think Dig Down is brilliant), but it feels like that genius has left them a little, lately. I'm definitely going to keep listening, but I don't know how much longer I'll be following every single movement.
I hear what you are saying. I became a fan right around when Black Holes and Revelations came out, and at the time, when I was knee deep in the honeymoon phase, as good as I thought Origin of Symmetry, Absolution and Black Holes all were, I thought they still had their masterpiece in them. Now, I am convinced that those three albums were as good as it will ever get with them, and that is not a bad thing at all. All three albums are tremendous and how many bands in the 21st century have had a 3-album run as good as that? Not many.
Now, unlike some Muse fans, I do not think that their songs have plummeted downhill since. No, none of the albums since are as great as those three, but they've all been, at worst, good. The Resistance was a good record; The 2nd Law was really, really good (tweak the running order and knock off a couple songs and it could have been great); Drones was really good. There are plenty of great Muse songs post-Black Holes: Uprising, The Resistance, Undisclosed Desires, I Belong to You, Madness, Survival, Follow Me, Explorers, Big Freeze, Isolated System, Dead Inside, Reapers, Defector, etc.
Do I think this year's forthcoming album will break their top 3? No, I do not, but so what? That is like expecting Dream Theater to top I&W, Awake or Scenes at this point. Not gonna happen, but Muse is still more than capable of giving us lots of good music, and that is what I fully expect. :coolio
I don't understand how you can get behind their new pseudo-pop music (and not even good at that) when you know what they used to be capable of.
Pseudo-pop? Come on, now. Muse has always written super catchy songs. This is not new.
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I agree with basically everything Kev just said, the only exception being that I rank 2nd Law above Black Holes.
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Honestly, I'm liking this new song a lot more than the other two they've dropped so far. I appreciate them trying new things this far into their career. The juxtaposition of the synths and guitar is really nice and gives me some Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots vibes
Really sad to see that they're phasing out the piano focused songs tho. Most of my favorite Muse songs are the piano focused ones like Butterflies or Eurasia
Also, no idea what is even going on with these videos. They're so over the top and cheesy that I think they're doing an homage to Kung Fury
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I agree with basically everything Kev just said, the only exception being that I rank 2nd Law above Black Holes.
Welcome to the dark side. :biggrin:
Honestly, I'm liking this new song a lot more than the other two they've dropped so far. I appreciate them trying new things this far into their career. The juxtaposition of the synths and guitar is really nice and gives me some Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots vibes
Really sad to see that they're phasing out the piano focused songs tho. Most of my favorite Muse songs are the piano focused ones like Butterflies or Eurasia
Also, no idea what is even going on with these videos. They're so over the top and cheesy that I think they're doing an homage to Kung Fury
I really like the way the synths bubble up underneath Bellamy's voice when he sings the "Something human, human" line. Very cool effect.
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I agree with basically everything Kev just said, the only exception being that I rank 2nd Law above Black Holes.
Welcome to the dark side. :biggrin:
Hey, it's happened before.
Like, maybe twice. Three times, tops. :lol
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So they're releasing an album after all? That's more exciting. :tup
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They've not grabbed me since The Resistance altho Drones had a couple of weeks rotation when it came out.
The singles have been ok ish. I'll give the album a good go when it comes out.
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I've always been a casual Muse fan, but I spent the last couple of days listening to almost all of their albums (only ones I haven't gotten to yet are Showbiz and Black Holes). I was planning to get to Black Holes soon but didn't get the time yet, so I'll do that this evening. Really didn't know how weird some of their songs could be, but I like most of it. Current rankings:
1. Origin of Symmetry
2. 2nd Law
3. Absolution
4. Drones
5. The Resistance
From the tunes I've heard from Black Holes it's looking to end up #2 or #3, but maybe I've just heard the great ones. Also particularly impressed with some of the songs on Drones, I kind of discarded it as a lame rock album based on the lead single and The Globalist sounding like a forced 10 minute tune, but for example Reapers into The Handler is one sick 1-2 punch.
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*sees album title* inb4 the Dream Theater fans show up... :corn
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Pre-orders have gone live today! There are several formats included:
Standard CD - just the album with 11 tracks
Deluxe CD - the album with 11 tracks, plus 5 bonus tracks (alternate versions of album songs)
Super Deluxe CD/Vinyl box set - a 2CD/2LP set of the album with 11 tracks, plus a bonus disc of 10 more tracks (same 5 above, plus 5 more alternate versions of songs)
Digital - self-explanatory
Cassette - Yes, they're making cassettes of the album. Super 80's...
Anyways, I'm torn between the Deluxe CD and Super Deluxe, but I don't even own a vinyl player, so the box set would just be another pretty box for me to own, plus the CDs with the 5 more bonus tracks (which are alright, I guess). The Super Deluxe set is $49.99 while the Deluxe CD is only $13.99...might go for the cheaper option, to be honest.
If you order from their store, you get downloads of four album songs right away!
-Marc.
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Well, I've pre-ordered and I've listened to the four released songs a few times, and they all sound good to me. I love the vibe this album is going for, and I can't wait to hear what the other 7 songs will sound like when the whole thing comes out!
-Marc.
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The song they just released, The Dark Side, is pretty killer. Definitely the best of the four we've heard thus far, and I like the two released earlier this year both quite a bit.
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The Dark side was pretty cool. The band however diminished my interest in this album by putting out four singles in a period of a year and a half. I'll probably stay away from further teasers and the singles we've heard so far until the album comes out.
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Considering it was released in May of last year, I am surprised that Dig Down was included on the forthcoming album. I figured it was just a standalone single.
Considering the vibe of these songs we've heard thus far, I can't wait to hear how good some of the deep cuts are.
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Well, at least the bonus tracks are just acoustic versions and remixes, so I don't have to destroy myself looking for the special editions.
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I love the overall 80s vibe of this!
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Please ignore my message if you are sensitive about criticism :)
I have several good albums with the retro vibe and great songs, but those 4 singles are the less inspired and the weakest radio friendly disposable songs I ever heard from a big band.
Come on Muse, try to write an album without just borrowing other band's sound signature like imagine dragon's voices choruses or kavinsky's 80's electro...
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New song and music video posted this morning, "Pressure", which features some cool guests - Terry Crews, Chance Michael and Julia Robinson - and directed by Lance Drake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2eKImKZviw
The song is pretty catchy. I'm sure it'll sound better in context with the whole album, but now we've got 5 of 11 songs with singles/videos, with 5 weeks to go til release. I wonder if they'll do one more video and/or single before release, or if this is it? Either way, with the story these videos have presented, I honestly wouldn't mind one more, it's been an interesting ride through the 80's, to say the least.
-Marc.
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Song seemed kind of weird at first, but got catchy as it kept going. They are clearly fans of Back to the Future. :lol :lol
Then again, who isn't?
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Again, bad guy speaking honestly :D
New song is far more enjoyable, tho it's a little cheesy and not revolutionnary.
I hate the verse, that looks like a jack white riff with unnatural selection verse over it.
But chorus if funny and cringy :)
I hope the 6 other songs are better than the 5 we got as clips.
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Aside from the first album, Muse is always really good at the deep cuts being really good, so I have faith that the rest of the album will be more than good.
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Dig Down (acoustic gospel version?):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6vNRx3it54
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New song and music video posted this morning, "Pressure", which features some cool guests - Terry Crews, Chance Michael and Julia Robinson - and directed by Lance Drake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2eKImKZviw
The song is pretty catchy. I'm sure it'll sound better in context with the whole album, but now we've got 5 of 11 songs with singles/videos, with 5 weeks to go til release. I wonder if they'll do one more video and/or single before release, or if this is it? Either way, with the story these videos have presented, I honestly wouldn't mind one more, it's been an interesting ride through the 80's, to say the least.
-Marc.
Love the video, hate the track...
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My friend and I just pre ordered two Deluxe editions.
I noticed a weird thing about the Muse Online store: In Europe, the box set is 62€, but in the US it's only 50$ (which is around 42€!), while it's 50 Pounds (which is around 57€!) in GB.
BUT you can set the store to "American English" and you'll pay the American price and just pay 10$ shipping to Europe. Even if you order two box sets from the US, it's still only 10 bucks for shipping. So basically, the two of us just paid 110$ for two box sets, which is around 48€ per box set (shipping included), while it's usually 62 (plus shipping!) if you order it at the Muse store when it's set in German :D
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Dig Down (acoustic gospel version?):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6vNRx3it54
I don't hate the normal version like a lot of people do, but this new version is a major improvement. They should play it like that every time now (even if they have to trigger the pre-recorded gospel vocals).
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Muse has always been compared to Queen and finally it makes sense to me :o
They have already made their crazy Queen I and II records (Showbiz and Origins) and after that got some hit caliber with Absolution (which ofc is their Sheer Heart Attack) and to finally release their A Night at the Opera with Black Holes. They even had their Bohemian Rhapsody with Knight of Cydonia on that one (both being crazy epics and the 11th track!!!)
A Day at The Races (Resistance) and News of The World (2nd Law) had some nice hits for the old fans but tried new stuff to finally get into the whole weird 80s stuff with The Game, Flash Gordon and ofc Hot Space. So Muse is in the 80s era thingy trying some movie theme stuff with Neutron Star Collision (Love Is Forever) where Queen ofc did Flash Gordon and the more related Highlander themes.
Simulation Theory makes me think we are now at Hot Space which sadly is the album I least appreciate with Queen and from listening to the new Muse stuff I guess it's valid there as well. For you non-Queen fans, just listen to Body Language on Hot Space and say I am not spot on at this point!
However, the positive side of all this is that Muse has yet to release their Innuendo :hat
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However, the positive side of all this is that Muse has yet to release their Innuendo :hat
Shame that they have already released their song Innuendo. Theirs is named United States Of Eurasia ;)
Interesting thoughts though!
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It's release week and I must admit that I've heard the album once in its entirety, and I have to say, I already like it loads more than the previous 2 albums. I'm not sure why, but I just dig everything on here a lot. Maybe it's the fact that it's got a lot of 80s-inspired sounds, which definitely tickles some nostalgia for me. It's also nice to finally hear the previously released tracks in sequence with the whole album, and they sound good there.
-Marc.
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Muse has always been compared to Queen and finally it makes sense to me :o
Muse have sounded like Queen (crossed with Radiohead) since their first album. :lol
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It is official. The new Muse album sucks
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First listen is still on but this seems to be good background music but nothing else. None of songs have stood out from this record. If they wanted to it sound like 80s they could have done it more obliviously (okay, algorithm and dark side were nice try)
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Unfortunately, I agree it sucks. It is not the musical direction they took, I just think the songs are really weak and often feel barebones.
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Does anyone think Matts voice is less pleasing starting with The Resistance? I don't know but on Black Holes I even though it was fantastic. But he started to sing in a dramatic voice with a bit of more "depth", like the way it sounds on his first singing in Algorithm or even more obvious in Madness. I really don't like that style and his singing has instead annoyed me over the last albums. Not sure if it's the mix where his voice is a bit clearer that made this more obvious, but listening to Take a Bow it just doesn't have that issue for me. Anyway, that is personal and ofc anyone who has a unique voice will always be a matter of taste and he ofc is a great singer :)
Listening to new album. 80s is not my favorite era. Or it depends. If it's just "let's utilize 80s sounds because it's fun" I usually don't find much pleasure. But some artists have utilized it and found great sounds within it.
So far not sure about this album. The songs don't come of as very strong initially so far. Some stuff is nice but yeah I will see I guess.
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The new albums sounds like Drones never even existed. It's a logical progression from The 2nd law.
After the first couple of listens, it's very hit and miss. Some of the songs I truly adore, some are a chore to listen to. I'm looking forward to spinning it over the weekend, though.
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The new albums sounds like Drones never even existed. It's a logical progression from The 2nd law.
I was thinking that too. I guess I'm lucky that they put out Drones then, because I really liked it. This however...not for me :tdwn
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Some of the songs I truly adore, some are a chore to listen to.
Oh yes. Brake it to Me and Something Human comes to mind. I haven't been able to go from start to finish without skipping to next song or jumping a bit.
Kinda like Dig Down (Gospel version). And there are some cool parts here and there. Not my kind of album but I guess a lot of people can enjoy the variation and 80s sound :)
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Yo this album's weird as hell I love it
Highlights: Propaganda, Break it to Me, Something Human, Thought Contagion, Algorithm (Alternate Reality Version), Get Up and Fight (in the minority on this one), Blockades, The Dark Side
Up there with OoS and 2nd Law as one of my favorite Muse albums, but imo it doesn't quite reach the levels of either. Much better than Drones tho! Probably in my running for aoty along with Charlie Puth, The Algorithm, and Gleb Kolyadin.
Not a bad song on the album imo, even Dig Down is listenable (even tho I don't love it). The Alternate Reality Version of Algorithm should've just been the regular version. It's miles better. Both versions of Pressure are good, but they feel like they're missing something. Propaganda and Break it to Me are Top 10 Muse songs for me easily.
Gonna spin it til I'm sick of it
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Only listened once so far but I dig it. They've really gone out with the 80s synthpop vibe and they merge it with modern pop/rock stylings pretty well. Not as well as Gunship, but still some very cool stuff.
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It was an odd first listen for me, since I already knew and had on mp3 the five songs released prior to yesterday. So I listened to a new album where I already knew nearly half of the album. The new songs (to me) ranged from pretty good to kinda weak; that was my first impression. More listens to come, but I didn't come away feeling excited about this record. I love the 80's and nods to it are always welcome, but time will tell if they did a successful job of channeling 80's nostalgia in a good way from a total album standpoint.
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I am super pissed at the Muse online store.
I pre-ordered the thing over 1,5 months ago and now (2 days after the release date!) IT'S STILL NOT SHIPPED.
God I'm happy that most of my favourite bands are smaller bands because those bands somehow manage to get their shit together with these things. I have never received a late order from insideout. Plus, Muse have such a HUGE budget for everything they do.
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Pressure, Thought contagion and The Dark side are great songs.
I could honestly live without hearing any of the other stuff ever again. Stylistically, melodically and in terms of structure, these are some of their most underwhelming and unimaginative songs. Even the tunes that push some boundaries feature elements that are quite unpleasant to my ears, such as Break it to me. I also hate to single out Propaganda and Get up and fight are two of their most generic, mediocre tracks, musically and lyrically.
It's always a shame when one of your favorite bands drops what in your opinion is their worst album. It happened to me with Weezer last year and has already happened with The Decemberists this year. To be fair, it's astounding that the band maintained such a strong streak of albums from Showbiz to Drones, I honestly think that even my lesser favorites of those albums are still very good. This one, however, is way bellow any of those.
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After a few more listens, I'll be surprised if the new album isn't my least favorite Muse record. Maybe it'll overtake Showbiz (which is half really good/half forgettable), but so far it cannot touch any record since. Despite the haters, I love The 2nd Law and Drones. I cannot call the new record bad, as it does have some songs I really like, but overall it just seems...lacking.
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This is the first Muse album I listened from start to finish (I'm more of a casual fan), I really dig some songs, but I didn't like the run Propaganda-Something human. Maybe this is not the best album to start for me.
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This is the first Muse album I listened from start to finish (I'm more of a casual fan), I really dig some songs, but I didn't like the run Propaganda-Something human. Maybe this is not the best album to start for me.
I would recommend starting with one of the earlier albums, but there is much to like about every Muse record.
The new one is slowly growing on me. I doubt it will be a favorite, but it's a fun little record.
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Going to see Muse next year. The Mrs. got us tickets for our local show. I'm not a huge fan, but I like them. But I heard the show is spectacular, and the wife is a fan, so it should be a good time.
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Yep, you'll have a blast. Muse always puts on a great show, and so many of their songs just scream out for audience participation, so a good time is impossible to not have a Muse concert.
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How is everyone liking the new album? I spun it a couple times lately and still really like it. It might not be their best, but it's a very fun album, with hooks everywhere. Muse never disappoints. :hat
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a lot of it is overproduced, but that is not unusual for Muse.
The best moments on this album are how they feel like a love-letter to the 80's. The singles are probably still my favorites.
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I'm still digging the album plenty. Lots of fun, pretty different and an overall solid if unexceptional Muse album.
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I am a big fan of both Dead Inside and Uprising, but Algorithm is their most kick ass opening track on a studio album since Take a Bow.
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Imo it's the worst Muse album by far. I can't stand the over the top cheese style they've chosen for this album, only the album closer is actually a decent track.
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I am a completist of certain bands, and Muse is one of them. But I'm resisting to churn out almost 15 dollars for this garbage.
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I get what they were going for on this album, but it's not for me. It takes all the things I dislike about modern Muse and cranks them up to 11. Some of these songs are downright awful. I think Propaganda is the worst song they've ever done. Worse than Execution Commentary. Dig Down is pretty bad too. This is absolutely their worst album.
I guess this is how Rush fans felt in the 80's when they went Synth. Oh well. I'm still looking forward to the next one. This doesn't sound anything like Drones and I don't suspect the next album will sound like this.
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I am a big fan of both Dead Inside and Uprising, but Algorithm is their most kick ass opening track on a studio album since Take a Bow.
I agree! Sets the mood perfectly.
I think their worst opening track is Dead Inside. Not that the song is bad, but this is a classic second song on an album for me. Drill Sergeant and Psycho would have made a better opener imo.
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Psycho (despite those awful lyrics) would have been a more appropriate opener on a normal album, but given the concept of the album, Dead Inside works perfectly.
Dig Down and Propaganda are the two iffy songs on the new album for me, but while I never seek either out on their own, neither makes me reach for the skip button.
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Dead Inside is actually my favourite track off Drones. Psycho is terrible in every aspect, the main riff worked well live as an addon to Stockholm Syndrome, but it's way too repetitive for a standalone song imo.
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I remember being almost thrilled with Psycho when it first dropped. Nowadays, I find it cringey sometimes.
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I was very disappointed when Psycho was released (in 2014 I still listened to singles) and I still find the lyrics very cringeworthy. But it still would have made a better opener than Dead Inside. And while I'm complaining, Mercy is a huge Starlight ripoff and its main chord progression just doesn't work for me.
Drones gets better in the second half in my opinion. Revolt, Aftermath, The Globalist and Drones are awesome.
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The last three songs on Drones are where it's at for me. Some of the rockier bits are also pretty cool, though.
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I'm a huge fan of Defector. I always liked that song a lot, but it has become a major favorite of mine.
Mercy is a big ball of cheese, but it's just so catchy and was a ton of fun live. I can't help but like it.
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Good to see that Take a Bow is a regular part of the set list on their current tour in Europe. :coolio
Still liking Simulation Theory a lot, despite a few average tunes. :tup :tup
Now...can we get another U.S. tour with a St. Louis date, please? :corn
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I saw them when they were in Chicago. Was really pleased that they played Take a Bow. I never expected to hear that live.
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I always have trouble deciding on a single song by Muse as my favorite, but there are a handful always in the conversation, and Take a Bow is one of those songs, along with Map of the Problematique, Apocalypse Please, Knights of Cydonia, Butterflies and Hurricanes, Stockholm Syndrome and New Born.
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I love Take A Bow, definitely their best album beginning for me. But it works perfectly as an opener only with Starlight. That apocalyptic, weird monster of a song, ending in that noise, followed by the upbeat song Starlight - just perfect.
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Take a Bow is the song that best stands the test of time for me. After the movie Watchman they did a orchestral version that I feel few have heard:
https://youtu.be/RhUPEpJN590
Goosebumps!
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Take a Bow is the song that best stands the test of time for me. After the movie Watchman they did a orchestral version that I feel few have heard:
https://youtu.be/RhUPEpJN590
Goosebumps!
That was pretty cool. A little overdone, and I would never listen to it over the original, but still pretty cool.
I love Take A Bow, definitely their best album beginning for me. But it works perfectly as an opener only with Starlight. That apocalyptic, weird monster of a song, ending in that noise, followed by the upbeat song Starlight - just perfect.
Agreed. That way it runs into the beginning of Starlight is so good.
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bump.
interesting little animated doc from Lies Likes Music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPfHEZmJVPI&t=0s
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In your opinion did Muse rip off the main riff in "Hyper Music" from RATM's "Snakecharmer"?
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In my opinion, without having heard either song, they did not.
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Just listened to both tracks and I have heard Hyper Music before.
The riffs are slightly similar (nice find, I guess!), but also too different from one another to be considered a 'rip off', which in essence is a stupid thing in music anyway.
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What's Muse up to these days?
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What's Muse up to these days?
making their next album (they are well into the process already apparently, due out this year too. See Dom's and Matt's Insta for pictures)
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Could do with a better album - 2nd Law, Drones and Simulation Theory haven't been a patch on their early material.
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I agree that they have yet to top or equal OoS, Absolution and Black Holes & Revelations, but I was really high on both The 2nd Law and Drones. Very good records. Simulation Theory had some really good stuff, but was a bit lacking in spots and didn't have much staying power with me. Hoping for a nice bounce back, and really hoping that all of this time off from touring will help Matt Bellamy's voice, which was starting to sound a bit worn. I noticed a few cheats on the last few tours that singers often do once their voice is in decline. Granted, given the way he sings, it was only a matter of time before his voice fell out of its prime, but I can dare to dream, right? ;)
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I really liked Drones, it was much more my style, but I don't think I listened to Simulation Theory more than a couple of times.
Origin was their peak for me and realistically they're never gonna get near that again.
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I really liked Drones, it was much more my style, but I don't think I listened to Simulation Theory more than a couple of times.
Origin was their peak for me and realistically they're never gonna get near that again.
I think absolution was their peak. And no, they're never gonna reach that kind of sound and attitude. Looking at videos from that era, they act like they have something to prove EVERY NIGHT, and now they sound like a bland and souless alt rock band. I think unfortunately it's a natural progression for any band, to be a little bit more complacent as they age, and to mature and update their sound as per their evolved taste. I don't blame them, but don't think I'll pay to see them again.
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Simulation was the first Muse album that really didn't work for me. We'll see how this one turns out.
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Oh, hell yes to this!!
https://www.nme.com/news/music/muse-announce-20th-anniversary-origin-of-symmetry-remix-album-with-new-version-of-citizen-erased-2944718
As much as I love this record, it is in that "I wish it sounded better" camp, so this has the potential to be a killer upgrade. The new version of Citizen Erased (easily found on YT) sounds tremendous. :metal :metal
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WON'T STAND DOWN
Our new single, released next week on Thursday January 13th.
Pre-save now at mu-se.co/WSD-PreRelease
#WontStandDown
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/fr/cp0/e15/q65/271506769_470693731088421_679790707076340076_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8024bb&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=nwPfssW2Bz4AX_A_5G6&_nc_oc=AQkzYpdGqijNs6daAwy3YmFsBBcj_fMtrv9QaAVXciEZG5Mlh2y4H7m_tUL-a1cvJI8&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=00_AT_KbNVvFj6uSgVRSArBUSMllmthjZnIyzpYTS_3wLzz3A&oe=61DE069B)
New Muse Music next week!
-Marc.
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Will this single appear on a future album? Or is it just a standalone thing?
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I'm quite sure it will be the fourth piece on the album (as per MattB's car dashboard in the teaser clip, see here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Muse/comments/romrcw/full_60_second_preview_of_new_song_wont_stand/), and we know the album is completed already, so...
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Yeah, it's been long enough since Simulation Theory. Only feels right to be in a new album cycle by now. ST has really grown on me over the past three years, too.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Muse/comments/ryce5y/album_title_hint/ and then there is this. To War ? (possibly, for the album title, but what do we know innit)
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Simulation Theory had some songs I liked a lot, but I got far less mileage out of that Muse studio album than any other since becoming a fan in 2006. Hoping for a nice bounce back.
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Ooh, hope they don't keep us hanging too long before releasing the new album.
I quite liked Simulation Theory, but am hoping the new album has some more bite to it.
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https://youtu.be/d55ELY17CFM
-Marc.
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I like it!....
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Very puzzled by this one, honestly.
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Yeesh. That's horrible.
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This is an accurate depiction of me as I listened to that song:
(https://i.imgur.com/IFhLL9b.gif)
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It somehow sounds a little disjointed. Will need a few more listens to evaluate it.
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I liked it. Not amazing but pretty good.
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Not sure what I think of that song. Feels like one that could grow on me and be pretty great after a handful of listens, or one where I think, "no thanks." Time will tell. I am ready for a new Muse album and tour, either way. :hat
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I liked it a lot. Love the electro rock vibe in the intro/verses, and very enjoy the chunky riffing. Sounds like they're bringing a bit more crunch back for the next album.
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Sometimes they do things sonically that really grate and this was one of those. Also found the vocal melodies v familiar. Oh, then something like nu metal happened!
I'll give it another bash today as I do love em.
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Sounds half chunky half nothing new...So basically it's worse than a youtube cover/mashup :/
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Yeesh. That's horrible.
Um. I actually liked it today. :lol
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Third listen (after a couple o' drinks) and loved it. That metal riff at the end live will absolutely level arenas. :metal
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I liked it a lot. Love the electro rock vibe in the intro/verses, and very enjoy the chunky riffing. Sounds like they're bringing a bit more crunch back for the next album.
This sums up my opinion as well. It would be really interesting if MUSE manages to really mix the eletronics with its heavier side from Absolution/Black Holes era in the entire album.
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https://youtu.be/nzHnwHzp9o4
"The Will Of The People" sounds like either their next single or the title of their upcoming album! Either way, I'm excited!
From the YouTube comments, the band members' heads have song titles on them:
Dom's head: Will Of The People, Liberation
Matt's head: Compliance, Die, Kill Or Be Killed
Chris' head: Ghosts, Won't Stand Down, Euphoria
Only 8 song titles so either there are more we don't see, the songs are longer than usual, or it'll be a short album.
-Marc.
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https://youtu.be/nzHnwHzp9o4
"The Will Of The People" sounds like either their next single or the title of their upcoming album! Either way, I'm excited!
From the YouTube comments, the band members' heads have song titles on them:
Dom's head: Will Of The People, Liberation
Matt's head: Compliance, Die, Kill Or Be Killed
Chris' head: Ghosts, Won't Stand Down, Euphoria
Only 8 song titles so either there are more we don't see, the songs are longer than usual, or it'll be a short album.
-Marc.
or both actually, as a title for their next single and or the album title. I'd actually guess both at this point. Nice vocal layers by Matt in the teaser too IMHO
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvrBlDleaQE
Looks like a new single is coming next week, titled "Compliance". I'm definitely sensing a theme here for the new album.
-Marc.
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Muse? Going political?
WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TO?!?!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvrBlDleaQE
Looks like a new single is coming next week, titled "Compliance". I'm definitely sensing a theme here for the new album.
-Marc.
It's The Resistance Pt. 2 :lol
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https://youtu.be/QP3zRBtgvJo
Definitely liked this one more than the previous single "Won't Stand Down". It had some hints of earlier Muse in there that I liked!
WILL OF THE PEOPLE
The new album released 26th August 2022
Pre-order here: mu-se.co/WOTP-AlbumPO
Here's the tracklist:
1. Will Of The People
2. Compliance
3. Liberation
4. Won’t Stand Down
5. Ghosts (How Can I Move On)
6. You Make Me Feel Like It’s Halloween
7. Kill Or Be Killed
8. Verona
9. Euphoria
10. We Are Fucking Fucked
https://www.muse.mu/news/will-people-322541
-Marc.
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I preferred the first single. Probably shouldn't have listened to Compliance straight after this though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhqzH_ALzZ4
Incredible talent!
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I really dig the new song - super catchy and instantly memorable hook.
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Is that seriously track 10's title? :lol
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Dig the new song. Will definitely be buying this.
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Gonna wait to hear the whole thing at once, but that last song title is definitely :facepalm:.
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Is that seriously track 10's title? :lol
I hope so :lol
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The chorus just seems kind of there in Compliance, but I do really like the verses. I really liked The 2nd Law even most people didn't, but Drones didn't really interest me much, so maybe I'll get back on the Muse train with this album.
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If it continues like that it will be an album of choruses...But it would be nice they remembered how to write intros, verses, solos, bridges and outros :D
Terrible to me
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Kill or be Killed:
MUSE - KILL OR BE KILLED [Official Music Video] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgyQufB1Yic)
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New song is my favorite of the singles so far. Still only moderately excited for the new album. I’m getting the sense that this album is a mix of Drones and and Simulation Theory (ew).
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First listen and "Verona" is an early favorite. Actually, Side B of the short 37:36 long album (last four tracks) are probably the best. This is their shortest album by far, where most of their full LPs have been closer to 55-60 minutes, this one is a quick jaunt of 10 songs that cover the wide range of sounds and styles the band is known for. This could be another classic Muse release but I'll need some more time with it to digest it.
-Marc.
-Marc.
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Just gave Will of the People my first listen. It may be the best thing Muse have done in a while. I agree that Verona is a standout and that some of the strongest songs are at the back end of the album.
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Will of the People might be less is more in some ways.
Unfortunately, it still sounds overproduced which it seems almost every record they've made over the last decade been guilty of to an extent.
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Reviews on this seem pretty mixed, but I am still looking forward to it. Despite Simulation Theory not knocking my socks off, although I did really like a few songs, Muse is still an auto-buy and auto-see any time they come to St Louis. Crossing my fingers for a good one! :tup :tup
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I absolutely LOVE WOTP! It is short and sweet :tup
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Unfortunately, it still sounds overproduced which it seems almost every record they've made over the last decade been guilty of to an extent.
I listened to it once and this thought popped into my head a few times as well.
Also, I'm not sure I like those vapid "political/revolution/we are the voice of the little people"-lyrics they've been doing over the last few albums. We are fucking fucked... really? :lol
I will give this album more spins of course as I don't really want to give a final opinion after just one listen.
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After one listen, the theme of “Greatest Hits album” seems accurate. Not as in this being a collection of their greatest songs, but there are songs in here that definitely feel inspired by past albums, making this album seem like a culmination of Muse’s career up to this point. I can’t remember the names off the top of my head, but there’s a song that instantly reminded me of OOS, one that reminded me of Drones, etc.
Having said that, this album didn’t do much for me after just one listen. One thing that consistently underwhelms me about Muse is their lyrics. So many songs are just “The Government is going to kill us! Fight back! I love you!” and man it’s getting old. Gonna give this another spin or two today, but my opinion this far is just “Meh”. I like it more that Simulation Theory, but that is a very low bar.
Back in High School, me and some friends wanted to start a Muse cover band and play at this “Student Music Festival” kinda of thing at school. We made a setlist of like 6 or 7 songs, and I spent all my free time over the next couple of weeks learning them. We met up to rehearse once and no one else had bothered learning anything except Starlight. We opted instead to just play that song at the talent show, but were told we couldn’t because the lyrics were “Inappropriate” :huh:
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The lyrics are over the top cheesy to me, but I actually didn’t mind the album!
I will say, I was so pumped for You Make Me Feel Like It’s Halloween from that YouTube clip, but I really wished that organ was used more! It sounds so great and huge but then they just kinda don’t use much of it prominently. I wish that intro when the drums and bass come in went on longer. I just love the way it sounds
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I stopped caring about Muse a decade ago but I quite like the new album.
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Bellamy was tweeting a bunch yesterday and said tour dates are likely for North America for Feb/March 2023. :hat :hat
About to dig into the new album.
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I don’t mind the lyrics. The “rail against the government” sentiment has become somewhat relevant given the events of the past few years. For me, the only song with questionable lyrics is You Make Me Feel Like It’s Halloween. Just goofy. :lol
I’m really enjoying Will of the People, and some of the songs are definitely reminiscent of their earlier material. I just wish it was longer than 37 minutes.
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It's kind off fun, but has no depth whatsoever. I don't know why they don't even try to write songs like Citizen Erased or Hurricane and Butterflies anymore.
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Yeah, my early impression is not very positive. It feels very going through the motions and, dare I say, lazy. A few of the songs barely got going and then ended, almost like they were done with one idea and didn't bother to expand on it at all. First album in four years and this is the best they could come up with? Ouch. I love this band, but it feels like their prime is long past now.
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I like several of the tracks. I agree with the person who said there are instances where they sound like 00s Muse. But I also agree that the songs don't feel like there's really any meat to get into. Every song's pretty short and the whole album almost feels like a pitstop.
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I don’t know if anyone here watches Anthony Fantano on YouTube. I’m not a subscriber but I check out his reviews from time to time. I disagree with him pretty often but I do agree with him on his review of WOTP.
https://youtu.be/z9jMFiSUe5Q
I should note that I disagree with his notion of “If this is what rock music is today then maybe rock should die.”
There’s plenty of good rock music out there today. It’s just not mainstream anymore and the bands that are carrying the flag in the mainstream don’t seem to be doing the best job.
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That guy is a nimrod of the highest order, and he is not getting a view out of me.
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That guy is a nimrod of the highest order
Oh I agree. But as they say, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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That guy is a nimrod of the highest order
Oh I agree. But as they say, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Unless the clock is missing its arms. ;)
-Marc
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Well you got me there :lol that's as far as I'm going when it comes to defending Fantano.
I gave WOTP another listen today, prior to watching that review, and I still feel pretty meh about it. It sounds like a band treading water. Like Kev said, this is all they've got after 4 years? I don't know if Muse knows what Muse should sound like in 2022 so they're just retreading old ground.
I wish they would commit to one style instead of jumping all over the place, sometimes within one song. It would never happen, but I'd like to see them go full-blown prog metal for one record. Songs like The Globalist and the Exogenesis trilogy have shown they can do prog if they want to, and they've got a fair amount of metal-ish songs in their catalogue.
Totally unrelated, but 2nd Law has 13 songs, Drones has 12, ST has 11, WOTP has 10. What are you counting down to, Muse? :justjen
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It sounds like a "hey, we need to release something, so let's write a bunch of songs that sound like our old ones" record. Most of the songs are pretty solid overall, but the record as a whole just sounds so uninspired and lacking in excitement. It almost makes Simulation Theory, which had a few great songs while being spotty overall, look like a masterpiece.
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I enjoy listening to Fantano but I usually disagree more with him about anything musically than agree.
It sounds like a "hey, we need to release something, so let's write a bunch of songs that sound like our old ones" record. Most of the songs are pretty solid overall, but the record as a whole just sounds so uninspired and lacking in excitement. It almost makes Simulation Theory, which had a few great songs while being spotty overall, look like a masterpiece.
Completely agreed. Though I think I liked ST a tad more than everyone here seems to. :laugh:
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Simulation Theory had some songs I loved, especially Algorithm and The Dark Side, but was pretty choppy overall, and since I became a Muse fan in 2006, it got the least amount of mileage in my CD player than any other Muse new studio album by a pretty wide distance.
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As much as I dislike WOTP, it's reignited my interest in Muse after Simulation Theory pretty much killed it for the last 4 years.
I listened to Simulation Theory earlier for the first time in ages today. I was worried about Simulation Theory from the moment I heard the first single, Dig Down.
Dig Down is a poor attempt at redoing Madness, which itself is overplayed to death.
Going back to the beginning, Algorithm sets the scene for the album nicely, but Dark Side sounds like some kind of stock music you'd hear in Dance Dance Revolution and has one of the worst guitar solos I've ever heard from anyone.
Pressure is just stupid.
Propaganda is the single worst song they've ever done.
Break it to Me is forgettable. Kind of a cool groove though.
I actually kinda like Something Human but I never go out of my way to listen to it.
Thought Contagion is Muse on autopilot.
Get Up Fight is a redo of Revolt from Drones, and funny enough, they're the same length. Just another milquetoast attempt at a protest song.
I have nothing to say about Blockades and The Void because I cannot remember anything about them.
I'll rank their albums because hey why not that's what we do here at DTF
1. Origin of Symmetry
2. The 2nd Law
3. Absolution
4. The Resistance
5. Drones
6. Black Holes and Revelations
7. Showbiz
8. Will of the People
9. Simulation Theory
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Yeah, Dig Down is lame. I remember them playing that when we saw them on the last leg of the Drones tour, and we were like, yeesh, that is bland as hell. I was hoping it would be a one off single that disappeared, but they threw it on the next album.
Agreed about Thought Contagion. It sounds like a Muse cover band trying to write a song that sounds like Muse.
I like Pressure, weirdness and all.
Their albums are pretty easy to rank for me (cannot rank the new one yet, still too early, but I don't see it rising above last place).
1. Black Holes and Revelations
2. Origin of Symmetry
3. Absolution (could be 2 or even 1 with a less compressed mix)
4. The 2nd Law
5. Drones
6. The Resistance
7. Simulation Theory
8. Showbiz (the back half after Unintended is too lame to move it ahead of anything else)
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Unfortunately, I enjoy Will of the people even less than Simulation theory. Every track on it sounds like a lesser version of a Muse classic. There's not a single chorus or a riff that truly grabbed me, let alone a song as a whole. The album closer might be my least favorite Muse song ever. And lyrically, the album is way too unspecific and banal for my personal taste.
I cannot remember the last time I disliked an album this much.
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I dig WOTP. :) I had fairly low expectations as I've not really enjoyed most of a Muse album since The Resistance (though there are good songs on all).
I was actually expecting something with more gravity given the title and imagery but it's short and sweet, entertaining and high-spirited. There's a good energy level and a couple of new sounds/techniques thrown in too. Happy camper here, but I can understand it might not be what people would ideally want.
Low expectations FTW.
Ratings:
1. Black Holes & Revelations
2. Absolution
3. The Resistance
4. Will Of The People
5. Simulation Theory / Drones
6. The 2nd Law / Origin Of Symmetry
N/A: Showbiz (never heard it)
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I'm really enjoying this new album, I think it's better than ST, which is a little experimental and cool, but it didn't work all the time. On the other hand, I think WOTP is not shy about being a more commercial album and yet MUSE managed to cram many of their styles into a short album. Also, I think they achieved a lot in the arrangements, despite the songs not being long.
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I do wish some of the songs were a bit more fleshed out, but I’m enjoying WOTP for what it is.
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I kind of agree 100% with Anthony on this one. I really thought this band would be special to me and kind of a Queen 2, but they are far far from it. Even when Queen made their worst material (Hot Space) they never became a generic boring band which whole purpose is to pad their music with more layers to hide how unimaginative it is.
Instrumentation really have been boring these last albums and doesn't seem to change anytime soon. Nothing in the melodies are memorable or groovy, which is so strange to me. Is this really the same band? Even Matt's vocals, that once was so inspiring and impressive, does nothing to me. I am not that disappointed on WOTP however since Drones and ST really didn't keep my hopes high.
And this political stance bullshit that all their lyrics generically builds on and that still manages to say absolutely nothing is just beating a dead horse at this point.
Really started to wonder if I ever liked them but when I do see Knights of Cydonia or Stockholm Syndrome live it's like another being. And I know Muse can be seen as a live band where the material becomes much stronger in that setting, but they actually had better material at one point. Suddenly the energy and inspiration is all there. Well well. I did at least laugh at the hilarious You Make Me Feel Like Halloween lyrics, which I guess is what they were going for. It's so silly and nearly manages to utilize it.
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I will say that the lyrics are a hefty step down.
I listened to The Wildhearts' 21st Century Love Songs yesterday too and the lyrics are absolutely top drawer, covering UK politics in a way I was expecting the Muse album to do. The lyrics on WOTP feel very "that about covers it" - which is fine, now I know the record, but I was expecting something deeper and more "helpful" to me given the times we live in.
But hey, that Wildhearts album is an absolute gem.
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Yeah, there's so much to do there but I feel Muse seldom delivers on the lyrics and or deeper meaning. Not all bands have that but it feels like Muse are so safe that it instead becomes nothing. Some anger or energy or at least some direction of what's actually wrong or needed or what they are even angry at more specifically, that would be something. Now it's all "fuck this and that and let's unite and there's something evil illuminati blah blah". Specially the "we are being controlled" part had been played without meaning so many times now.
Their video and art direction always paint a bigger picture of "something is wrong" but even on Drones, where they dwell into the war industry, I feel they don't get anything powerful out of it. A subject that many rock bands have been so very successful at and draws a lot of energy from. I think they play it to safe or actually don't have anything to say.
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I tend to agree. Drones didn't say anything to me, either.
Generally I've thought they were good. Take A Bow, I love the lyrics on, for example. The songs on The Resistance, also. The angle feels a bit repetitive and the execution a bit mediocre on WOTP.
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I tend to agree. Drones didn't say anything to me, either.
Generally I've thought they were good. Take A Bow, I love the lyrics on, for example. The songs on The Resistance, also. The angle feels a bit repetitive and the execution a bit mediocre on WOTP.
Yes! I love Take A Bow and it's possibly their most successful at aiming anger at something! It's pretty clear who they are aiming the anger at, or at least the lyrics are powerful enough to let me interpret that. I think they lost me after Resistance. 2nd law tried something with our unsustainable handling of environment but also never felt more than an obvious statement where they got to do some Woop Woop.
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Origins though to Resistance is an amazing run of 4 albums. Not sure what happened since, but to be honest there is only really one albums worth of good material in their following 4 albums.
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Origins though to Resistance is an amazing run of 4 albums. Not sure what happened since, but to be honest there is only really one albums worth of good material in their following 4 albums.
The post-Resistance greatest hits album:
1. The Handler
WOTP is alright, I might still like Simulation Theory more for the overall flow of the album.
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Speaking to The Big Issue, Muse frontman Bellamy explained how ‘Will Of The People’ was written partly in response to their record label, who wanted the band to release a ‘best of’ compilation.
“We were reaching that point where there was talk about maybe doing a greatest hits album, and we weren’t really in favour of doing that,” Bellamy said. “So it’s almost like we’ve made a record that is a greatest hits album – of new songs.
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He added: “It’s a montage of the best of Muse. It’s a new take on all of those types of genres that we’ve touched on in the past.”
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Best Of compilations are pointless in the age of streaming and playlists. Good on them for making a new album instead, but them thinking this is the “Best of Muse” is laughable
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I think they meant they made an album full of the different styles they have done over the years (leaving aside the usual "our new album is our best album" nonsense that 97% of musicians repeat).
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Just chiming in to say that I find the entire muse fan base to be baffling.
I knew MP was a big fan, so based on that I picked up BHAR and to this day it does nothing for me.
But then I had a cousin show me The Globalist and I LOVED it, so I picked up Drones and I adore that album. But I just haven’t heard anything else that grabbed me.
I feel like I’m missing something.
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A week more in and I'm really enjoying WOTP still. However, I would have dropped or reworked Euphoria and We Are Fucking Fucked if I was in the band. There are aspects of both that are quite bemusing. (The Our Time Is Running Out pre chorus in the former and the end part of the latter)
That said (not unusual for me to edit out a track from a favoured artists latest album), this is still the most consistently enjoyable Muse album for a long time, for me.
Just chiming in to say that I find the entire muse fan base to be baffling.
I knew MP was a big fan, so based on that I picked up BHAR and to this day it does nothing for me.
But then I had a cousin show me The Globalist and I LOVED it, so I picked up Drones and I adore that album. But I just haven’t heard anything else that grabbed me.
I feel like I’m missing something.
Ha. That's tastes for you, right? Absolution and BHAR are the core Muse albums, afaic. The latter is nearly a desert island album for me. Pretty much perfect from front to back.
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I, and I think many others, would put Origin of Symmetry in the mix along with Absolution and Black Holes and Revelations when it comes to top shelf Muse, but I will always stand by most of The 2nd Law and Drones as both being really good as well (not quite in that top tier, but both pretty worthy). Psycho just needed better lyrics and to get rid of the stupid drill sergeant bits to make Drones better, and The 2nd Law needed a different running order.
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The 2nd Law needed a different running order.
This 100%
This is my restructured tracklisting for the 2nd Law
Isolated System
Supremacy
Panic Station
Follow Me
Liquid State
Explorers
Madness
Big Freeze
Save Me
Animals
Prelude
Survival
Unsustainable
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Drones is the weakest for me.
Absolution
Origins
Black Holes.
Resistance.
Simulation.
Showbiz.
Will of the People (may move up or down 1 place as time passes).
2nd Law.
Hullabaloo.
Drones.
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The 2nd Law needed a different running order.
This 100%
This is my restructured tracklisting for the 2nd Law
Isolated System
Supremacy
Panic Station
Follow Me
Liquid State
Explorers
Madness
Big Freeze
Save Me
Animals
Prelude
Survival
Unsustainable
I think Sustainable should have been the lead track, but I am guessing given the style that they thought it would be too much of a culture shock for fans to accept as track 1 on the new album. Put that as the lead track, put Survival at the end, and drop Isolated Systems somewhere in the middle (great song, but it feels like a transitional middle of the album song), and it becomes a lot better. We can even remove Supremacy, which isn't a bad song, but I wouldn't miss it.
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If you plan to see the band on tour and you preordered the album, the band posted this:
If you pre-ordered the new album from the official store before August 26th, you will receive a unique code for pre-sale access, opening 14th September 10am local.
See you next summer ⚡
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I'm enjoying Will of the People. Obviously it's not actually comparable with a "best of", but I can see what they were going for. Short accessible songs in styles covered by all their previous albums. For what it is it's great, most of the songs are strong and there are some great hooks. Missing some slightly longer/more developed tracks, but that's obviously not what they wanted to do with this one so that's fine.
Muse have never had good lyrics so I'm not too fussed about that, although We Are Fucking Fucked is a bit much even for them.
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Yeah, I have now created a playlist without the last two tracks. Makes for a short but entertaining 30 minute, 8
track record.
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My sister commented that the song Will of the People sounds like Marilyn Manson’s The Beautiful People. Now I can’t unhear that, even though they don't really sound anything alike. I came across a mash-up of the two songs on YouTube, as well.
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According to my Facebook memories, I came home from Best Buy with Muse's The Resistance and Porcupine Tree's The Incident on this day 13 years ago. Both albums released on September 14th.
Happy 13th Birthday to The Resistance! How has everyone's thoughts on the album changed over the last 13 years? Do you like it more, or less? Or perhaps you haven't even heard it since 2009? Personally it's one of my favorite Muse albums and has some of my fave songs of theirs on it!
-Marc.
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According to my Facebook memories, I came home from Best Buy with Muse's The Resistance and Porcupine Tree's The Incident on this day 13 years ago. Both albums released on September 14th.
Happy 13th Birthday to The Resistance! How has everyone's thoughts on the album changed over the last 13 years? Do you like it more, or less? Or perhaps you haven't even heard it since 2009? Personally it's one of my favorite Muse albums and has some of my fave songs of theirs on it!
-Marc.
Uprising sounds like the Doctor Who theme tune - and that's fine by me.
I actually like all the 8 tracks quite a bit, but the 'Exogenesis: Symphony' is surprisingly a bit bland. I rank it as their 4th best (behind the 3 that proceed it).
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Blimey. 13 years ago!
Great record. Saw them on this tour at Wembley Stadium and it was just huge.
The symphony is an absolute snoozefest, iirc, but has been years since I played it.
The two opening tracks are two of my favourites of theirs.
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It was the first new Muse album to come out after I got into them. And overall, I like it.
But I never need to hear "Uprising" again for the rest of my entire life.
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I was on the fence with The Resistence for years, but now I love it. The last four songs are actually my favorites, they kind of nailed the whole symphonic thing. The hits like Undisclosed desires and the title track are just as good. The only songs I do not like are Guiding light and the opener, they bring it down a bit.
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https://www.brooklynvegan.com/muse-announce-2023-north-american-tour/
(https://townsquare.media/site/838/files/2022/09/attachment-muse-2023-tour.jpeg?w=1080&h=1080&q=75)
Tour with Evanescence (and others TBA?) February/March/April 2023
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Black Holes
Origin
Absolution
The Resistance
The rest, not loving anything aside from single tracks. I thought Psycho was pretty dope and Kill Or Be Killed is a fun tune. The campiness has gotten way past tolerable for me.
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I may go to either LA or Anaheim shows. Having Evanescence as a support is interesting. Last time I saw Evanescence last year at their own show, they were solid enough.
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For any of you Muse fans, what would you recommend to someone who has only heard "Uprising"?
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For any of you Muse fans, what would you recommend to someone who has only heard "Uprising"?
you can go for The Resistance entirely, The 2nd Law and Simulation Theory afterwards (since these are massive sounding albums), then go backwards from The Resistance album by album until Absolution (which is where them going massive started). Leave the rest by the wayside.
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For any of you Muse fans, what would you recommend to someone who has only heard "Uprising"?
I'd say start from Absolution and go forward, but only because that was my path.
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I got off the Muse train when The Resistance came out (Did not like the album very much). Have not listened to anything that they put out since.
Decided to listen to the new album and that did nothing in making want to listen to Muse again :\ :|
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I got off the Muse train when The Resistance came out (Did not like the album very much). Have not listened to anything that they put out since.
Decided to listen to the new album and that did nothing in making want to listen to Muse again :\ :|
As someone who also fell off of Muse when Resistance came out, I'd actually urge you to go back and at least give the other albums a listen or two. I've spent the past week doing exactly that and while I've only listed to a few (Resistance, Drones, Will of the People), there's usually 2 or 3 songs I find really solid off of each album. It should be at least enough for you to put together a "best of" of their past 5 or so albums.
Someone on here mentioned The Handler, in particular, and while that album is mostly trash (for me) that song is up there with their best.
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The first 4 albums are it for me than the album by album they slid into generic boring lazy mode real fast. always babbling on about a non-de script power we must resist.
All to the tune of generic beats, Dubstep, a diet Queen coating. they so want to be the next Queen but.......never, lol
However those first 4 are still played regularly in my home. they do hold up really well.
It is interesting tuning in though. Because the elevator drops more with each album, lol. it's astounding.
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While the 3-album of OoS through Black Holes reigns supreme, I thought the next three were all damn good to varying degrees and very worthy. The last two have seen the overall quality really dip. Some damn good songs on Simulation Theory, but too many blah songs, and the new album, while having a few solid tunes, is pretty forgettable overall. Oh well, they had a great run.
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They've been very patchy for a good 4/5 albums now.
Looking forward to seeing them next summer, though. Fantastic live band.
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The Warning are opening for them at the next 4 dates in Mexico.
Massive fans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk7zd93qIWc
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FmX_5whXkAALrzG?format=jpg&name=large)
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This guy, Andre Antunes, made other Muse inspired stuff before I think. Anyways, I think this is a banger of a non-Muse Muse song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVF3q5Y68-0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVF3q5Y68-0)
(lyrics by ai, about ai controlling the world)
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bump.
shameless plug. A fellow YouTuber named Death By Unicorn and I did a Tiermaker for Muse albums.
in revisiting their catalog, I can conclude Black Holes is my favorite record of theirs. For the longest time, I went with Absolution, but start the finish, Black Holes actually I think is a hair better and more consistent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS_HAYASfaM
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Absolution
Origins
Black Holes.
Resistance.
Simulation.
Showbiz.
Will of the People.
2nd Law.
Hullabaloo.
Drones.
I wrote this shortly after 'Will of the People' was released. Nothing has changed for me since.
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I think Drones gets a bad rap; I think it is definitely a top 5 Muse record, and I think The 2nd Law is a very strong 4th best (after the obvious top 3 of Origin, Absolution and Black Holes).
The last two records had their moments, but it seems clear that this band has peaked and on the slow descent.
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Showbiz deserves more appreciation. The songs are concise, the performance is youthful, and though it might be slightly naive, that's part of its charm.
Kudos to everyone who puts The 2nd law near the top, by the way. :tup
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The first half of Showbiz is great, but it falls apart in the back half.
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I think Drones gets a bad rap; I think it is definitely a top 5 Muse record, and I think The 2nd Law is a very strong 4th best (after the obvious top 3 of Origin, Absolution and Black Holes).
The last two records had their moments, but it seems clear that this band has peaked and on the slow descent.
Agreed, though their live show for the last two have been A+, both among the best arena concerts I’ve been to.
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Agreed, though their live show for the last two have been A+, both among the best arena concerts I’ve been to.
Yep, I knew a few people who saw this year's show earlier this year, and they all said it was awesome. No surprise to me, since Muse has slayed all three times I have seen them. I am kicking myself a little for not going this year, but I wasn't feeling it when the date rolled around back in March, so I opted to not go.
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I have a very clear top three of:
1. Absolution
2. Origin of Symmetry
3. The 2nd Law
But honestly, beyond that I can't really rank Black Holes, Drones, Resistance, Simulation Theory and Will of the People. None of them is that special but I really like them all.
Showbiz for sure is the weakest but not by a lot, but it still has some great stuff (especially in the first half like Kev says).
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I put Drones last because it's just pure bombast, there is barely any nuance, melody or anything interesting going on musically. Pretty much every song is obnoxiously loud with some terrible lyrics (not that lyrics have ever been Muse strong point, but on Drones some of the lines are embarrassing).
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I have said this before at some point, but in my opinion, Muse should really dial back on that whole "we have to stand together as one and fight for our right [cue in big shouting choir]"-thing in my opinion. These are highly successful and wealthy people and this "we are all the same and we are all collectively fucked"-attitude is just not authentic to me.
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I put Drones last because it's just pure bombast, there is barely any nuance, melody or anything interesting going on musically. Pretty much every song is obnoxiously loud with some terrible lyrics (not that lyrics have ever been Muse strong point, but on Drones some of the lines are embarrassing).
I dislike Psycho because of how stupid and cliched the lyrics are, but the rest doesn't bother me. Not great lyrics by any stretch, but Muse has never been a band where I expect good lyrics. As long as they aren't terrible, I can deal with it.
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My introduction to Muse was Never Enough by Dream Theater :neverusethis:
Madness has been in the current lineup of whatever station my store has on now. The music is never really that loud, but I can always make out the climax of the song, and guessed correctly it was Muse, although I still used Shazam to verify. Anyway, I've taken a great liking to the song so much that I bought The 2nd Law. The whole album is great, and while I didn't have an issue with the track order, I made a playlist on my phone of the revised one above. I put both instrumentals back at the bottom for now, because I'd have to cut some of the end off Isolated System so it flows better into Supremacy. Too much dead air in-between. But yeah, the revised order flows just fine as if that's the way it always was.
I've been putting Muse off for years based on Never Enough. I've only listened to 2nd Law, BHAR, and Absolution, but there really isn't a whole lot of the annoying gasping intake that James does on Never Enough. I only have one earbud in and at a lower volume at work, but maybe it's on an album I haven't heard yet. From what I heard though, they're a great band. I'm super late to the party, but I'm glad I finally gave them a chance.
I've never been a big fan of Queen, but their influence along with U2's on 2nd Law works well, unlike Prophets of War.
Muse gets a :tup in my book.
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I've also returned to some Muse albums recently, this week I listened to Showbiz and Absolution. The last couple of albums made me put them on a shelf for quite a while, but it's nice to return to some older records and remind yourself how great they once were. The 2nd law truly was something else.
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The Resistance is interesting...
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That's an underrated one, top five material. Aside from Guiding light and the opener, nothing to throw away there. I hope you like it. :tup
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That's an underrated one, top five material. Aside from Guiding light and the opener, nothing to throw away there. I hope you like it. :tup
Why does the intro piano melody sound so familiar? I can't find anything regarding it online, but when I first heard it I thought it was a cover song.
I think Uprising gets played at work too. When it started, I immediately recognized it.