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Title: Flower Kings Official Thread - v. Manifesto of an Alchemist coming
Post by: KevShmev on May 20, 2009, 10:30:45 PM
This post was in another thread, so I figured this was as good a time as any to start a thread on this terrific band.

Kev, could you please post your rank of FK albums again? I just started with Flower power and I would like to know what should I get next.

My personal ranking of TFK albums would go like this:

1. Flower Power*
2. Paradox Hotel*
3. Stardust We Are*
4. Space Revolver
5. Retropolis
6. Unfold the Future*
7. Back in the World of Adventures
8. Adam and Eve
9. The Sum of No Evil
10. The Rainmaker

*denotes double album

I think Flower Power and Paradox Hotel are their most instantly accessible double albums.  Stardust We Are is magnificent, too, but was so massive and sprawling that it took me a while to get into.  Unfold the Future is really good, but there are some throwaway songs, thus making the overall flow somewhat choppy at times.

I think Space Revolver is undoubtedly their best single album.  It has the awesome "I Am the Sun" epic, which is split into two parts and bookends the record.  The rest of the record is rock solid.

I would save the bottom three on my list till you have gotten into most or all of the others.  Those three are all good, but are generally not as consistently great as all of the others (although all of them does have one or two really great songs).

What do you think of Flower Power so far?



Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: Sigz on May 20, 2009, 10:57:03 PM
I only have Stardust We Are, and I still haven't really gotten into it, though it does have some fantastic songs.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: ariich on May 21, 2009, 01:31:34 AM
One of my favourite ever bands. :tup

Good ranking, although I always find it strange how lowly rate Rainmaker when the rest of your ranking is so similar to mine. I think it's a really good, cohesive and enjoyable album. :)

1. Stardust We Are*
2. Space Revolver
3. Flower Power*
4. Unfold the Future*
5. Paradox Hotel*
6. The Rainmaker
7. Retropolis
8. Back in the World of Adventures
9. The Sum of No Evil
10. Adam and Eve

*denotes double album
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: Kyo on May 21, 2009, 05:31:16 AM
I think Alive on Planet Earth is the best thing they've released so far. The
second disc in particular is just sublime, amazing stuff all the way through.
Best studio album would still be Stardust We Are I guess, at least for me.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: reneranucci on May 21, 2009, 09:13:57 AM
Thanks a lot Kev! I´ve just started listening to them but I'm sure they're great. I liked Roine´s work with TA and I was always curious about how he sounded with his original band.

I have only listened to the first disc of flowerpower. At the beginning, the songs felt imcomplete but then I learned that it is suppossed to be a 50+ minutes epic. What do I think about it? What makes me love music are the vocal melodies, and in that department they're brilliant, songs like "Simple Song", "Garden of Dreams" and "All you can save" are my kind of stuff definitely. The other thing that caught my attention is that they have a very original sound. It's prog rock, definitely, but for some reason it doesn't feel generic (or "derivative") at all. Sometimes it´s very poppy, sometimes it has a very dark edge (like "indian summer") that isn´t common in the classic prog that I've heard, sometimes it's very atmospheric, and then they go into full-instrumental fireworks mode. I think that they combine the different elements and moods of music very well, they don´t go randomly or mindlessly from one place to another without thinking about the big picture of the album. Their music feels very coherent (well, for a prog band at least) and it goes in a definite direction. I'm listening to Sunny Lane right now and I think it's a great example of that. Man I love this song.

Of course my opinion is based in a very limited part of their material but I'm getting other two albums and see how they compare to what I've listened so far.

Ah, and I  :heart Roine's voice.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: ehra on May 21, 2009, 09:37:17 AM
I've only got his solo album The Flower King. Been meaning to get one of the band's albums for awhile now.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: KevShmev on May 21, 2009, 11:56:27 AM
Good ranking, although I always find it strange how lowly rate Rainmaker when the rest of your ranking is so similar to mine. I think it's a really good, cohesive and enjoyable album. :)

I like The Rainmaker, but it just sounds unfocused and somewhat cluttery at times.  Plus, it is their worst-"sounding" album to date.  The drums sound very flat, and the overall thing just sounds like the band wasn't quite sure what they wanted to to.  Still, I adore "Serious Dreamers," and "Last Minute on Earth" is pretty damn good, too.

Thanks a lot Kev! I´ve just started listening to them but I'm sure they're great. I liked Roine´s work with TA and I was always curious about how he sounded with his original band.

I have only listened to the first disc of flowerpower. At the beginning, the songs felt imcomplete but then I learned that it is suppossed to be a 50+ minutes epic. What do I think about it? What makes me love music are the vocal melodies, and in that department they're brilliant, songs like "Simple Song", "Garden of Dreams" and "All you can save" are my kind of stuff definitely. The other thing that caught my attention is that they have a very original sound. It's prog rock, definitely, but for some reason it doesn't feel generic (or "derivative") at all. Sometimes it´s very poppy, sometimes it has a very dark edge (like "indian summer") that isn´t common in the classic prog that I've heard, sometimes it's very atmospheric, and then they go into full-instrumental fireworks mode. I think that they combine the different elements and moods of music very well, they don´t go randomly or mindlessly from one place to another without thinking about the big picture of the album. Their music feels very coherent (well, for a prog band at least) and it goes in a definite direction. I'm listening to Sunny Lane right now and I think it's a great example of that. Man I love this song.

Of course my opinion is based in a very limited part of their material but I'm getting other two albums and see how they compare to what I've listened so far.

Ah, and I  :heart Roine's voice.

I am right there with ya, regarding Roine's voice.  In fact, after hearing TA, as much as I liked his guitar-playing, his voice is what made me want to check out TFK.  The other singer, Hasse Froberg, is good, too (he normally does more lead than he did on the GOD suite...I think the "Garden of Dreams" song is the only one he did all of the lead for in it); he has more range than Roine, but not as much character, IMO.  The contrast usually works really well, though, and, yes, they consistently write tremendous vocal melodies.

I like your descriptions of the GOD suite.  As a whole, that is probably one of my three or four pieces of music ever.  Like you said, it is all over the place stylistically, but still manages to sound coherent, and it flows wonderfully.

I had the record for a while before I even got around to the second disc, but there are some absolute gems on it, so don't sleep on it. :)

I've only got his solo album The Flower King. Been meaning to get one of the band's albums for awhile now.

Use this thread as your guide.  I would be more than happy to give recs and suggestions. :)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 23, 2009, 04:23:40 AM
I've had the live set Meet The Flower Kings! for several years, but am now about to dive more fully into their discography.  I am looking forward to it.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 28, 2009, 09:19:16 PM
OK, I got Flower Power and Paradox Hotel, and I'm floored.  Simply amazing.  I need more listens to fully digest, obviously, but that is a lot of music, very well made, with great lyrics as well.  Wow.

Can't wait for my next acquisitions!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: lateralus88 on May 28, 2009, 11:03:34 PM
End on a High Note is probably the most uplifting song they have ever put together. I love it so god damned much. And Rhythm of the Sea goes down as one of my favourite songs of all time.

I need to get the rest of their albums someday (I only have Paradox Hotel, Retropolis and The Sum of No Evil).
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 29, 2009, 09:46:10 AM
End on a High Note is probably the most uplifting song they have ever put together.
Well, it's definitely awesome.  I can't really make sweeping generalizations yet.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: KevShmev on May 29, 2009, 11:01:36 AM
OK, I got Flower Power and Paradox Hotel, and I'm floored.  Simply amazing.  I need more listens to fully digest, obviously, but that is a lot of music, very well made, with great lyrics as well.  Wow.

Can't wait for my next acquisitions!

This post just put a huge smile on my face. :)

Thrilled you are digging them, hef!  :) :) :)

End on a High Note is probably the most uplifting song they have ever put together. I love it so god damned much.

Agreed.  It is the perfect sunny day song.

  And Rhythm of the Sea goes down as one of my favourite songs of all time.

That is definitely one of the most underrated songs.  Very cool laid back vibe in that one. :coolio
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 29, 2009, 11:03:08 AM
Thanks so much for the suggestions, Kev.  I'm more excited about exploring this band's output than any new discovery from recent memory.  :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: KevShmev on May 29, 2009, 01:58:30 PM
*smiles*

And I know it is early, but if you have any particular favorites yet, by all means let us know what they are. :)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: Nick on May 29, 2009, 02:03:16 PM
This post was in another thread, so I figured this was as good a time as any to start a thread on this terrific band.

Kev, could you please post your rank of FK albums again? I just started with Flower power and I would like to know what should I get next.

My personal ranking of TFK albums would go like this:

1. Flower Power*
2. Paradox Hotel*
3. Stardust We Are*
4. Space Revolver
5. Retropolis
6. Unfold the Future*
7. Back in the World of Adventures
8. Adam and Eve
9. The Sum of No Evil
10. The Rainmaker

*denotes double album

I think Flower Power and Paradox Hotel are their most instantly accessible double albums.  Stardust We Are is magnificent, too, but was so massive and sprawling that it took me a while to get into.  Unfold the Future is really good, but there are some throwaway songs, thus making the overall flow somewhat choppy at times.

I think Space Revolver is undoubtedly their best single album.  It has the awesome "I Am the Sun" epic, which is split into two parts and bookends the record.  The rest of the record is rock solid.

I would save the bottom three on my list till you have gotten into most or all of the others.  Those three are all good, but are generally not as consistently great as all of the others (although all of them does have one or two really great songs).

What do you think of Flower Power so far?


For how much we tend to disagree on a number of things, we are on the same page when it comes to this band. I think Paradox Hotel and Stardust We Are are their two best, which doesn't really conflict with your list considering the three albums I don't have from them are Flower Power, Back in the World of Adventures, and Retropolis. I'd perhaps change the order a little, but I fully agree on your bottom three as well.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 29, 2009, 02:57:55 PM
They really love the double albums, don't they?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 30, 2009, 01:50:18 AM
I watched Part 1 of The Truth Will Set You Free from "Meet The Flower Kings". I instantly loved it. A great amazing prog band.  :tup :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 30, 2009, 05:16:05 AM
I watched Part 1 of The Truth Will Set You Free from "Meet The Flower Kings". I instantly loved it. A great amazing prog band.  :tup :tup :tup
That entire album/DVD is amazing.  That was my introduction to the band, several years ago.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: Nihil-Morari on May 30, 2009, 07:46:09 AM
The Flower Kings are really great.

Flower Power, and especially Garden of Dreams are in my opinion among the most beautiful music ever made.

I knew TFK for a while but never really understood their music until I bought the special edition of Meet TFK, and I was blown away.
Right after that I heard the studio version of Garden of Dreams and the Stardust album, and I became a fan.
2 years ago it became slightly less, but after buying the SE of Instant Delivery my love came back.
 
 :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: KevShmev on May 30, 2009, 09:34:11 AM
Ya know, even though a lot of TFK fans go nutty over "The Truth Will Set You Free," I have never been overly crazy about it.  I mean, I like it, but it is so long, that it feels like a chore to listen to the whole thing, as opposed to most of their other epics, most of which hold my attention from start to finish.  

And does this band have a lot of long songs or what?  Here is a list of all of their songs from their studio albums that are at least 10 minutes (not counting bonus tracks):

"World of Adventures" 13:37
"Big Puzzle" 13:35
"Retropolis" 11:08
"There Is More to This World" 10:07
"In the Eyes of the World" 10:39
"Circus Brimstone" 12:04
"Stardust We Are" 25:04
"Garden of Dreams" (18-track suite) 59:26
"Deaf, Numb & Blind" 11:11
"Calling Home" 11:20
"I Am the Sun, Part I" 15:04
"Monster Within" 12:56
"I Am the Sun, Part II" 10:41
"Last Minute on Earth" 11:52
"Road to Sanctuary" 13:50
"City of Angels" 12:05
"The Truth Will Set You Free" 31:02
"Silent Inferno" 14:22
"Devil's Playground" 25:27
"Love Supreme" 19:44
"Driver's Seat" 18:21
"Monsters & Men" 21:20
"End on a High Note" 10:44
"Minor Giant Steps" 12:14
"One More Time" 13:05
"Love Is the Only Answer" 24:29
"The Sum of No Reason" 13:26
"Life in Motion" 12:34

 :eek :eek :eek

And the scary thing is, almost all of those songs are at least very good.  The only ones I am not overly fond of are "One More Time" and "Life in Motion."
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: Nihil-Morari on May 30, 2009, 09:37:10 AM
"World of Adventures" 13:37
"Big Puzzle" 13:35

"Retropolis" 11:08
"There Is More to This World" 10:07
"In the Eyes of the World" 10:39
"Circus Brimstone" 12:04
"Stardust We Are" 25:04
"Garden of Dreams" (18-track suite) 59:26

"Deaf, Numb & Blind" 11:11
"Calling Home" 11:20
"I Am the Sun, Part I" 15:04
"Monster Within" 12:56
"I Am the Sun, Part II" 10:41

"Last Minute on Earth" 11:52
"Road to Sanctuary" 13:50
"City of Angels" 12:05
"The Truth Will Set You Free" 31:02
"Silent Inferno" 14:22

"Devil's Playground" 25:27
"Love Supreme" 19:44
"Driver's Seat" 18:21
"Monsters & Men" 21:20
"End on a High Note" 10:44
"Minor Giant Steps" 12:14
"One More Time" 13:05
"Love Is the Only Answer" 24:29
"The Sum of No Reason" 13:26
"Life in Motion" 12:34
The bolded ones are my favourites. Yes, I really really love their epics.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: ariich on May 31, 2009, 06:42:41 AM
Yeah TFK write awesome long songs for the most part.

But I agree Kev, The Truth Will Set You Free isn't all that amazing. I mean, it's definitely good and has some great bits, but it just feels like it goes on for too long. Comparing it to something like Stardust We Are which is only a few minutes shorter but feels like it just whizzes by, it doesn't really stand up that strong.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: KevShmev on May 31, 2009, 08:26:57 AM

The bolded ones are my favourites. Yes, I really really love their epics.

No love for "Devil's Playground," eh?  I think that is one of their best songs, of any length.

But I agree Kev, The Truth Will Set You Free isn't all that amazing. I mean, it's definitely good and has some great bits, but it just feels like it goes on for too long. Comparing it to something like Stardust We Are which is only a few minutes shorter but feels like it just whizzes by, it doesn't really stand up that strong.

Very, very true.  To me, a great long song is one of that flows by effortlessly.  Every time I listen to "The Truth...," there are numerous times I think, "When it this song going to end?"
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: kingshmegland on May 31, 2009, 09:49:12 AM
Went food shopping and on the drive I had my Ipod on shuffle and Touch My Heaven came on from Instant Delivery.  I love that solo!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: Nihil-Morari on May 31, 2009, 01:08:13 PM

The bolded ones are my favourites. Yes, I really really love their epics.

No love for "Devil's Playground," eh?  I think that is one of their best songs, of any length.
Haven't given that one a chance. I will in a moment  :biggrin:



Went food shopping and on the drive I had my Ipod on shuffle and Touch My Heaven came on from Instant Delivery.  I love that solo!

I really love that version. Froberg is great, and this one shows that he has improved in his singing a great bit.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: KevShmev on May 31, 2009, 11:05:13 PM
Went food shopping and on the drive I had my Ipod on shuffle and Touch My Heaven came on from Instant Delivery.  I love that solo!

You and me both.  That is one of my favorite Roine solos, although he has so many that I love, if I tried to list my favorites in order, it would be very difficult.


The bolded ones are my favourites. Yes, I really really love their epics.

No love for "Devil's Playground," eh?  I think that is one of their best songs, of any length.
Haven't given that one a chance. I will in a moment  :biggrin:

Word.  :coolio

Went food shopping and on the drive I had my Ipod on shuffle and Touch My Heaven came on from Instant Delivery.  I love that solo!

I really love that version. Froberg is great, and this one shows that he has improved in his singing a great bit.

Oddly, I am not always a fan of Froberg's singing.  Sometimes, he sounds great, and other times, he can sound rather meh.  It all depends on the melody.  He occasionally can sound a bit too wimpy (a good example would be the chorus of "Starlight Man" from Adam and Eve).  Overall, the contrast between Froberg and Stolt's voices works well, but I always like it much better when Roine is the main singer. 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: Nihil-Morari on June 01, 2009, 06:28:53 AM
I would prefer Roine to be the main singer if he was a bit more constant. There are shows where he doesn't hit a single note.
Froberg on the other hand improved a lot, but still isn't a great singer either.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: Icebear on July 04, 2009, 06:55:37 PM
I'm not sure why, but I enjoy "Sum of no evil" a lot more than, say, "Paradox Hotel". I wouldn't rank it that far down. I think it might be because I prefer Zoltan over any of the other FK drummers - Zoltan and Jonas has got to be one of my favorite rythm sections, so anything with Zoltan on it just... I dunno, it swings more. In my opinion. But of course, that's all it is. Opinions.

Overall, I love the FK sound, but sometimes the songs do go on a bit longer than they ought to, as someone else mentioned. It doesn't really bother me in a live situation (last time I saw them, they played well over 2,5 hours, until Roine had to apologize and walk off stage. Jonas had a bad back, and just couldn't play anymore that night), but when listening to a cd, it tends to drag on sometimes.

Oh, and sorry for the thread resurrection. But it was such a great topic. I really do hope they find the opportunity to release another album soon (although it seems like it could be some time).
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: KevShmev on July 05, 2009, 05:51:04 PM
I'm not sure why, but I enjoy "Sum of no evil" a lot more than, say, "Paradox Hotel". I wouldn't rank it that far down. I think it might be because I prefer Zoltan over any of the other FK drummers - Zoltan and Jonas has got to be one of my favorite rythm sections, so anything with Zoltan on it just... I dunno, it swings more. In my opinion. But of course, that's all it is. Opinions.

See, to me, it is more about the songs than the playing.  I think Zoltan is by far the best drummer they have had, but the three albums he has played on would rank 6th, 8th and 9th, respectively, on my list.  In other words, the songs make the records, not the players (since everyone they have had on every instrument has been, at worst, very good at what they do).

Oh, and sorry for the thread resurrection. But it was such a great topic. I really do hope they find the opportunity to release another album soon (although it seems like it could be some time).

I wouldn't be surprised if they are finished.  It doesn't seem to be financially viable for them to tour anymore, and I am not sure the band wants to remain "just" a studio band.  We'll see.  But from '95-'07, they released 10 studio albums, and they are now on the verge of going two straight calender years without anything new, which is unheard of for them, so that is not a good sign.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: reneranucci on July 05, 2009, 06:01:30 PM
It´s good we´ll have some new RS material with Transatlantic  :)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: sonatafanica on July 05, 2009, 06:31:24 PM
I've only heard of these guys. Wasn't Daniel Gildenlow a member?

Oh, and recommendations please. As long as they make deep and interesting stuff, of course  :P
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: KevShmev on July 06, 2009, 10:44:22 AM
I've only heard of these guys. Wasn't Daniel Gildenlow a member?

For two albums, but thank goodness his contributions were pretty limited. 

Oh, and recommendations please. As long as they make deep and interesting stuff, of course  :P

Uh, read this whole thread. :)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: Icebear on July 06, 2009, 12:58:17 PM
I'm not sure why, but I enjoy "Sum of no evil" a lot more than, say, "Paradox Hotel". I wouldn't rank it that far down. I think it might be because I prefer Zoltan over any of the other FK drummers - Zoltan and Jonas has got to be one of my favorite rythm sections, so anything with Zoltan on it just... I dunno, it swings more. In my opinion. But of course, that's all it is. Opinions.

See, to me, it is more about the songs than the playing.  I think Zoltan is by far the best drummer they have had, but the three albums he has played on would rank 6th, 8th and 9th, respectively, on my list.  In other words, the songs make the records, not the players (since everyone they have had on every instrument has been, at worst, very good at what they do).

Oh, and sorry for the thread resurrection. But it was such a great topic. I really do hope they find the opportunity to release another album soon (although it seems like it could be some time).

I wouldn't be surprised if they are finished.  It doesn't seem to be financially viable for them to tour anymore, and I am not sure the band wants to remain "just" a studio band.  We'll see.  But from '95-'07, they released 10 studio albums, and they are now on the verge of going two straight calender years without anything new, which is unheard of for them, so that is not a good sign.


I know what you mean. And I agree that the songs are more important than the players. I've had a hard time getting into some of TFKs longer songs. They sound a bit too samey to my ears. As an example, even though Zoltan plays on The Truth shall set you free, I can't really come to terms with that song as easily as I can with the songs on Sum of no evil. But I'll confess that I haven't really listened that much to some of their earlier material, so I have some work to do...

I'm not sure they're finished. From what I gather, the last tour(s) really took a heavy toll on the band financially, so I think you're right in saying that's why there's been so little action lately. But as long as they have something to say, I think they'll be back. At least I hope so.  :D

We might see a lot less touring, but let's hope it doesn't come to a complete halt.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: ScottOfRedemption on July 06, 2009, 03:45:00 PM
I love them, but I feel they have SO much music, and a lot of it is sorta forgetable or similar. So I like to listen to their albums, but I'm not particularly paying attention, or remembering "oh I love this song!" Its more like 2 hours of awesome music.

But has anyone heard One Whole Half? its a rarity from the rainmaker (I think) sessions.

and its AWESOME
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: Nick on July 06, 2009, 03:45:50 PM
This thread inspired me to watch Instant Delivery today. :D
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: Nihil-Morari on July 06, 2009, 11:08:58 PM
This thread inspired me to watch Instant Delivery today. :D

 :heart
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 08, 2009, 10:03:38 AM
Just picked up Stardust We Are.  I've only listened to the first 5 or 6 songs thus far, but I love what I've heard.  :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: ariich on July 08, 2009, 01:13:49 PM
That's a definite 5-star album for me, and the title track is just wonderful. Enjoy the ride hef! :D
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: dedSurroun on July 08, 2009, 03:33:11 PM
Seems like I'm in the minority but I consider Unfold The Future to be their best work. Granted, not a die hard fan of The Truth... but still, their best album, IMO.

A fantastic band. I've had the pleasure of listening to everything they've ever released (including obscure fan club stuff) and it's a trip all the time. I have yet to reach the point of overplaying them and getting bored by it all.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: KevShmev on July 08, 2009, 05:31:52 PM
Just picked up Stardust We Are.  I've only listened to the first 5 or 6 songs thus far, but I love what I've heard.  :tup

Awesome.  That record took a while to grow on me, so the fact that you like it already is great.  Way till you hear the title track.  :)

A fantastic band. I've had the pleasure of listening to everything they've ever released (including obscure fan club stuff) and it's a trip all the time. I have yet to reach the point of overplaying them and getting bored by it all.

It's almost impossible for me to overplay any of their stuff, because they have so much material that I love, it is impossible to listen to it all on a regular basis, even though there are songs and albums I definitely listen to more.  And there are songs and a few albums I probably do not give nearly enough time and attention to.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: The Letter M on July 08, 2009, 09:32:00 PM
Next to Rush and DT, I'd like to think TFK are right under them, at least in terms of time-spent-listening and money-spent-collecting!

It'd be REALLY hard for me to rank them right now as I've been heavy on DT, but I think it's time to switch over to some TFK for the remainder of the summer (as DT has conquered my ears for the last 2+ months).

I skimmed the thread a bit, so I'm not exactly sure what's going on here right now (I'll read it indepth later on), but I will say that I really do love their long songs, especially their 20+ minute epics! Roine and company are definitely masters at the long-form and have yet to bore me with any of their albums!

Sure there are albums I don't listen to as much as others, but I think that's because of what I'm in the mood for, or what I'm focusing more on. For a long time, all I listened to were their first three albums (as well as The Flower King by Roine Stolt, the unofficial first TFK album), but then it changed to Space Revolver and Unfold The Future! In the last year or so, I really got hooked on to The Sum Of No Evil (although I prefer my 2-CD version that reworks the tracklist and includes the 3 bonus-disc tracks) and Paradox Hotel (at first neglected, but now I'd rank it in my top 3 TFK albums! Every song is magic!).

I'm sure I'll get a chance to listen to every album in depth this summer. I've been lacking in my TFK listening lately... time to catch up!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: KevShmev on July 09, 2009, 09:26:09 AM
Summer time is always a great time to listen to The Flower Kings; their music is so uplifting and positive, it is perfect for sunny July days!  :)

And I'm probably one of the few people on this site that would say this, but I actually prefer TFK to DT.  DT is a top 10 band for me, but TFK is top 5. 
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Post by: ariich on July 09, 2009, 12:57:59 PM
I hold them at pretty similar levels really, but as with you, both are in my top 10 :D

And I totally agree that their music is summery. My FK listening goes up a lot in the summer. :)
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Post by: The Letter M on July 09, 2009, 02:06:29 PM
I hold them at pretty similar levels really, but as with you, both are in my top 10 :D

And I totally agree that their music is summery. My FK listening goes up a lot in the summer. :)

I agree as well! Their music is more suited for the summer, unlike Porcupine Tree, which I listened to near end of one summer and while I couldn't shake listening to them, it brought me down a bit lol. PT are my winter band to listen to, much like DT is a spring band.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: 3MinuteWarning on July 09, 2009, 04:15:21 PM
I've had Paradox Hotel for like 3 years now and it's up there in my top 10 albums, however I never got around to acquiring their other releases.  I think it's time I did that.

Hit Me With a Hit and Life Will Kill You are my favourite single songs but I always prefer listening to the album from start to finish.  Awesome awesome band.  I always recommend them to fellow proggers.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 10, 2009, 12:59:08 PM
Stardust we are
Close to divine
Stardust we are
See how we shine
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Post by: KevShmev on July 10, 2009, 01:14:45 PM
Amazing, ain't it, hef? :)

3MinuteWarning, let us know what record you get next.

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Post by: ariich on July 10, 2009, 01:42:45 PM
Stardust we are
Close to divine
Stardust we are
See how we shine
One of my favourite choruses ever :D
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Post by: MS394 on July 10, 2009, 05:41:54 PM
Flower Kings are amazing. I had the pleasure of seeing them live in our local progressive festival Baja Prog, in 2006, and aside from some strange breaks (if I recall correctly, Hasse and Thomas left the stage two times; Marcus, Jonas and I don´t remember if Roine too, stayed for improvisation and solos), they were incredible. ``Stardust We Are´´ and ´´The Truth Will Set You Free´´ blew my mind live :hefdaddy .

Most of their albums are really good, and Zoltan Csorsz/Jonas Reingold is one of my favorite rhythm sections.
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Post by: KevShmev on July 11, 2009, 08:54:12 AM
I also saw them in '06, the only time I have seen them.  I cannot remember the exact set list, but they did play a ton of Paradox Hotel (pretty much all of the PH songs that are on the Instant Delivery DVD), as well as surprising us with stuff like "Psycedelic Postcard" (one of my favorites), "Just This Once" and "Ghost of the Red Cloud."  I think "The Flower King" was played, as well as a "World of Adventures"/"Silent Sorrow" mix-mash.  Cannot remember the rest, but I know we didn't get any of either "The Truth" (thank goodness) or "Stardust We Are." 

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Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 12, 2009, 05:26:08 AM
Amazing, ain't it, hef? :)
Yes.  Yes it is.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: ariich on July 12, 2009, 04:54:40 PM
@Kev: I love Ghost of the Red Cloud. Such a really nice song, and I can imagine it being a good one to sing along to live :)
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Post by: KevShmev on July 12, 2009, 08:57:53 PM
I think I pretty much sang along to all of the songs when I saw them.  I remember the friend I was with telling me that he couldn't believe that I knew most of the lyrics to "Psycedelic Postcard" well enough to sing along to that song. :lol
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: KevShmev on July 22, 2009, 09:55:14 AM
Been on a major TFK kick lately.  It really is staggering how consistently good they have been.  10 studio albums, four of them doubles, in a 12-year span, and each and every one of them is at least very good, and the majority of them are great. 

BEST full-fledged PROG band EVER.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: LudwigVan on July 22, 2009, 10:08:17 AM
Been on a major TFK kick lately.  It really is staggering how consistently good they have been.  10 studio albums, four of them doubles, in a 12-year span, and each and every one of them is at least very good, and the majority of them are great. 

BEST full-fledged PROG band EVER.

Wow... that's a huge claim.   :omg:   Genesis?  Yes?  ELP?   And I'm not sure what you mean by "full-fledged"    ???
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: KevShmev on July 22, 2009, 10:13:48 AM
By full-fledged, I mean bands who were so obviously prog that there is no other genre that you could put them in.  For example, I like Rush and Porcupine Tree more from an all-time standpoint, and while both of those bands are called prog by many, neither have ever been full-fledged prog bands in the sense of what is generally considered "prog."  That make sense?

I know it is a bold statement to put them above a prog giant like Yes, and most would disagree, but that is simply my personal preference.  TFK would probably be 3rd on my all-time favorite bands list.
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Post by: LudwigVan on July 22, 2009, 10:22:54 AM
Okay gotcha, that's cool.  I thought that's what you meant.  I was just taken aback that you had put TFK over those all-time greats.  My tastes are really not too far away from yours, but I have to admit that The Flower Kings is one band in particular that I've been unable to get into. 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: KevShmev on July 22, 2009, 10:33:27 AM
Okay gotcha, that's cool.  I thought that's what you meant.  I was just taken aback that you had put TFK over those all-time greats. 

Well, many put DT over those same prog bands you mentioned, and TFK has been arguably more prolific (just as many studio albums, but more minutes of original music, and in a much shorter span of time), so it really isn't that much of a stretch. ;)  :biggrin:

   My tastes are really not too far away from yours, but I have to admit that The Flower Kings is one band in particular that I've been unable to get into. 

Do you remember what songs or albums you listened to?  Even though I think all of their albums are good, at worst, several of them wouldn't be good starter cds, I think, and I could see someone not getting into them that much as a result.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: LudwigVan on July 22, 2009, 10:37:36 AM
Do you remember what songs or albums you listened to?  Even though I think all of their albums are good, at worst, several of them wouldn't be good starter cds, I think, and I could see someone not getting into them that much as a result.

I've got Retropolis and Stardust We Are.   When I bought those albums, I thought they would be right up my alley.    
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: ariich on July 22, 2009, 12:14:01 PM
By full-fledged, I mean bands who were so obviously prog that there is no other genre that you could put them in.  For example, I like Rush and Porcupine Tree more from an all-time standpoint, and while both of those bands are called prog by many, neither have ever been full-fledged prog bands in the sense of what is generally considered "prog."  That make sense?

I know it is a bold statement to put them above a prog giant like Yes, and most would disagree, but that is simply my personal preference.  TFK would probably be 3rd on my all-time favorite bands list.

I definitely put TFK way above Yes. I might even have to agree with them being if not "the", then at least one of the best full-fledged prog bands.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: KevShmev on July 22, 2009, 12:29:01 PM
I've got Retropolis and Stardust We Are.   When I bought those albums, I thought they would be right up my alley.   

Well, you've got two of their best, so I don't know what to tell you. :lol

I sometimes find it better with long prog records to turn them on in the background when I am doing other stuff.  Letting it play over and over a few times, it will often eventually sink in.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: LudwigVan on July 22, 2009, 12:39:01 PM
The fact that I love Spocks Beard and Transatlantic made me believe that The Flower Kings would click with me.   I also love jam-bands, and TFK is definitely more "jammy/improvisational" than either of those bands, which would've been another plus in my book.  Anyway, I will give both albums another listen soon. 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: ariich on July 22, 2009, 12:45:53 PM
Yeah I'll admit that initially I wasn't overawed by TFK. I mean, I liked what I heard, but nothing seemed all that exciting. But what Kev said is EXACTLY what worked for me; I just put it on a few times, sometimes in the background, sometimes when I was paying attention, and the music just clicked with me. It really is amazing stuff.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: LudwigVan on July 22, 2009, 12:49:25 PM
Yeah I'll admit that initially I wasn't overawed by TFK. I mean, I liked what I heard, but nothing seemed all that exciting. But what Kev said is EXACTLY what worked for me; I just put it on a few times, sometimes in the background, sometimes when I was paying attention, and the music just clicked with me. It really is amazing stuff.

Okay then, I will dedicate this weekend to some Flower Kings listening time.   :tup

Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: KevShmev on July 22, 2009, 01:10:37 PM
I tried getting into TFK and SB at the same time (summer of '00 right after getting into the first Transatlantic record), and Spock's Beard was definitely more likable at first (I have always called them catchy prog), but over time, The Flower Kings became much more appealing, and I now don't think the bands are even close.  

Also, good to hear, LudwigVan.  Let us know how it goes. :)
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Post by: Nihil-Morari on July 22, 2009, 01:42:09 PM
I finally have Instant Delivery here with me again (at my parents place) so I'll pop that in soon!

Oh and, what are your favourite FK epics and short songs?
for me:

Epic: Garden of Dreams
Short song: Touch my Heaven
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: KevShmev on July 22, 2009, 02:01:08 PM
Favorite epics (songs 10 minutes or longer):

"Garden of Dreams"
"I Am the Sun"
"End on a High Note"
"World of Adventures"
"Big Puzzle"
"Stardust We Are"
"Love Supreme"
"Circus Brimstone"
"Devil's Playground"
"Silent Inferno"

Favorite songs under 10 minutes (this list will be long):

"Train to Nowhere"
"Rhythm of the Sea"
"Silent Sorrow"
"The Judas Kiss"
"The Road Back Home"
"The Man Who Walked With Kings"
"Compassion"
"The Merrygoround"
"Different People"
"Ghost of the Red Cloud"
"Stupid Girl"
"Psycedelic Postcard"
"Chicken Farmer Song"
"A King's Prayer"
"Serious Dreamers"
"Genie in a Bottle"
"Man Overboard"
"Solitary Shell"
"Timelines"
"The Blade of Cain"
"Jealousy"
"Pioneers of Aviation"
"Lucy Had a Dream"
"Self-Consuming Fire"
"Touch My Heaven"
"Life Will Kill You"
"What If God Is Alone"
"Blue Planet"
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: Nihil-Morari on July 22, 2009, 02:52:48 PM
Sorry, I meant to say 'what IS your favourite..' but I love your list nevertheless!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: ariich on July 22, 2009, 03:56:04 PM
:lol Kev, that's cheating.

Long song: Stardust We Are
Short song: A King's Prayer
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: KevShmev on July 22, 2009, 10:43:44 PM
Fine.  :biggrin:

If forced to pick one for each, I'll go with:

Long: "Garden of Dreams"
Short: "What If God Is Alone"
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Post by: lateralus88 on July 23, 2009, 02:24:21 PM
Long: End on a High Note
Short: Rhythm of the Sea
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: Nihil-Morari on July 23, 2009, 02:39:50 PM
Long: End on a High Note
Short: Rhythm of the Sea

Odd choices, but cool songs!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: The Letter M on July 23, 2009, 11:36:40 PM
Well, I've been on a Paradox Hotel kick lately...

Long: Monsters & Men
Short: What If God Is Alone?

Also, Adam & Eve has been getting a lot of attention to...

Long: Love Supreme
Short: Adam & Eve

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: KevShmev on July 24, 2009, 12:36:47 AM
There's a good idea...favorite long song and favorite short song from each studio record. :)

BITWOA:
Long: "World of Adventures"
Short: "Train to Nowhere"

Retropolis:
Long: "Retropolis"
Short: "Silent Sorrow"

SWA:
Long: "Circus Brimstone"
Short: "Different People"

FP:
Long: "Garden of Dreams"
Short: "Psycedelic Postcard"

SR:
Long: "I Am the Sun"
Short: "Chicken Farmer Song"

TR:
Long: "City of Angels"
Short: "Serious Dreamers"

UTF:
Long: "Silent Inferno"
Short: "Solitary Shell"

A&E:
Long: "Love Supreme"
Short: "Timelines"

PH:
Long: "End on a High Note"
Short: "What If God Is Alone"

TSONE:
Long: "The Sum of No Reason"
Short: "Flight 999 Brimstone Air"
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: LudwigVan on July 27, 2009, 09:23:59 AM
Okay, I listened to TFK all weekend long (Retropolis and Stardust We Are) and I definitely got into them much more than I had.  KevShmev, I know this is an appreciation thread, but I hope you don't mind a bit of personal observation/critique on this band. 

I had mentioned in my previous post how they are more 'jammy/improvisational' than most prog bands and my listens confirmed this... very fusion-like.  I think that's the quality that turned me off initially, since their songs tend to "meander" a lot more than the Spock's Beard brand of "catchy" prog.  It certainly makes TFK's music a bit harder to follow.     

Some of The Flower Kings' riffs are pretty obtuse and jarring, but then they always manage to open up into some absolutely beautiful passages.  This band is highly focused on the instrumental side of things, almost to the point where the vocals seem like an afterthought at times.  Not necessarily a bad thing.  And the passages where they go with a lone acoustic guitar or piano are brilliant.

Retropolis clearly has touches of "classic" prog bands like Yes and Genesis (hence the album title), but it's not overdone because the band creates its own distinct identity and sound.  Stardust We Are shifts gears slightly, and as I listened to the album, I found myself being reminded of Camel.  Stolt practically comes across as a modern-day Andy Latimer.  I really enjoy their forays into World Music, including their use of Sitar and some cool reggae riffing.  Some touches of psychedelia (I could've sworn I was hearing Jerry Garcia's guitar), and there was even a very Jethro Tull-like riff somewhere.

I'm looking forward to exploring some more. 

Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: KevShmev on July 27, 2009, 09:42:24 AM
That is great to hear, LV!  :tup :tup

And I totally agree with your comment about the classic prog influence.  They are clearly influenced by bands like Yes and Genesis, but they definitely have their own sound and style, so they don't come off as sounding derivative or like a tribute band or anything.

Keep the comments, good or bad, coming! :)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: The Letter M on July 27, 2009, 06:20:27 PM
The beauty of every Flower Kings album is that, while Roine/Tomas and company create and hold a distinct sound that is definitely "The Flower Kings sound", every album also how it's own feel and style that is unique on its own, be is the musicians involved or the over-all stylistic influence, particuarly their last 4 albums- Unfold The Future, Adam & Eve, Paradox Hotel and The Sum of No Evil.

LudwigVan - If you're looking for something less jammy-improvisational, I'd jump ahead to Paradox Hotel. With 19 songs and only three over 10 minutes long, many of the songs are more focused and and concise! Not to say it's their "pop" album (although there are some pop/modern rock influences), but the songs are fantastically composed and the performances are top notch! It's become one of my top 3 TFK albums!

Conversely, I would avoid Unfold The Future, which is littered with jazzy/fusion improvisations if that is something you want to steer clear of. Personally, I love UTF, but I have to be in that mood for it. Fortunately, the epics on the album are some of their best pieces (as usual!), particularly the 31-minute opening "The Truth Will Set You Free".

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: KevShmev on July 28, 2009, 12:20:23 PM
I think one of the main reasons why I love Paradox Hotel so much is that there is a crap load of acoustic guitar and piano.  I think I remember reading that much of the album was written on piano and acoustic, so that is why that record has a "simpler" feel to it, as opposed to something like The Sum of No Reason, which is much more complex and overtly proggy.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: LudwigVan on December 12, 2009, 01:07:21 PM
I've been busy rounding out my collection of TFK albums.   The Truth Will Set You Free (from Unfold the Future) is blowing me away right now  :hat

Is "The Flower King" worth getting?   I don't see much mention of this album. 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: Mladen on December 12, 2009, 01:34:31 PM
The only TFK album I listened to is The Sum of no evil. I chose it randomly, and I've gotta say I was pleasantly surprised. Love is the only answer is fabulous, and The Sum of no reason is great as well. Nice album all around, and I'll have to listen to this band more whenever I got time.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: KevShmev on December 13, 2009, 09:26:18 AM
Is "The Flower King" worth getting?   I don't see much mention of this album. 

Yes.  It is very good.  But it is more guitar-driven than most of the Flower Kings records, it being a Stolt solo album and all.  I know many think of it as the first unofficial TFK album, but I do not.  Tomas Bodin's absence is too glaring for me to consider it a real Flower Kings album like so many do.  It is still very good, though. :)

The only TFK album I listened to is The Sum of no evil. I chose it randomly, and I've gotta say I was pleasantly surprised. Love is the only answer is fabulous, and The Sum of no reason is great as well. Nice album all around, and I'll have to listen to this band more whenever I got time.

That is great to hear.  Nowhere to go now but up!  :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: The Letter M on January 24, 2010, 08:09:49 AM
So after 3 years, TFK fans just MAY get an album this year, although Roine is pretty busy... between the Transatlantic Whirld Tour and recording the second Agents Of Mercy album, he might not get to a TFK album until late this year, which would mean a 2011 release. We could get lucky, however, and get one before year's end.

I recently read an interview with Tomas saying that TFK is only a go whenever Roine says he's ready. I think he'll be ready after AOM records their 2nd album because he'll have been away from TFK for so long - all he's done since TSONE has been side-albums and projects (AOM, 3rd World Electric, TA), so I'd like to think he's got some demos that haven't been used at all over the last three years that would make for a good TFK album, with Tomas' and Jonas' input/performance of course!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: KevShmev on January 24, 2010, 09:29:02 AM
I think the odds are better that Roine has been using that material in the various projects he has been doing.  For example, "Spinning" totally sounds like a TFK song, but Transatlantic recorded it for the bonus CD.  But you never know if he has other stuff laying around that could be usable, so we'll see.  We can always hope.  Honestly, though, I think I have mentally accepted that the band as we knew them might be finished.  It is just a feeling I have, but I hope I am wrong. :)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: The Letter M on January 24, 2010, 02:18:07 PM
I think the odds are better that Roine has been using that material in the various projects he has been doing.  For example, "Spinning" totally sounds like a TFK song, but Transatlantic recorded it for the bonus CD.  But you never know if he has other stuff laying around that could be usable, so we'll see.  We can always hope.  Honestly, though, I think I have mentally accepted that the band as we knew them might be finished.  It is just a feeling I have, but I hope I am wrong. :)

I really hoep they aren't finished. I think Roine just needed a break from them for awhile, and the short break turned into three years of side-projects. I'm sure he has plenty of demos laying around collecting dust. Heck, imagine how much material he came up with since TSONE? The man can write two albums' worth of material in a year!

Then again, Jonas has things with Karmakanic and Kaipa, and Tomas has his solo stuff/Eggs & Dogs, and Hasse Bruinisson (sp?) has his own side project now... so they're ALL keeping busy while TFK is on hiatus... I just feel it would be really unfortunate if they never got back together again. Then again, they did pump out 10 albums in 12 years, four of which were doubles, so they really probably could use this break lol

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: glaurung on January 24, 2010, 03:27:54 PM
I've been meaning to check these guys out since I heard some of it on WPAPU. So Flower Power is the album I should be looking for?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: The Letter M on January 24, 2010, 07:24:34 PM
I've been meaning to check these guys out since I heard some of it on WPAPU. So Flower Power is the album I should be looking for?

Flower Power is pretty good, but as a double album, it's a LOT to digest, especially the near hour-long epic "Garden of Dreams". If you want to get into a double album, I'd pick that one, or my favorite, Stardust We Are.

If you want some more concise, single-disc TFK, get Space Revolver, or even Retropolis. Their later albums (Unfold The Future to The Sum Of No Evil) are all a bit different from their earlier albums, and with varying personnel changes, it's almost a different band on each album, so you may want to check those out later.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: KevShmev on January 24, 2010, 11:36:58 PM
I've been meaning to check these guys out since I heard some of it on WPAPU. So Flower Power is the album I should be looking for?

That is a great one to start with.  Read back through the rest of this thread for my more in-depth recommendations. :)

 Their later albums (Unfold The Future to The Sum Of No Evil) are all a bit different from their earlier albums, and with varying personnel changes, it's almost a different band on each album, so you may want to check those out later.

Eh, I don't agree with that.  The drummers change from album to album a lot, but other than that, the rest of the band is pretty much the same (except for Gildenlow popping up on two albums, and a few guest appearances here and there).  I mean, all six albums from the 2000s have the core four of Stolt (guitar and vocals), Froberg (vocals and some guitar), Bodin (keys) and Reingold (bass), so saying it is like a different band on each album is very misleading, IMO. :)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 25, 2010, 09:21:07 AM
I've amassed several of their albums thus far, and it is all good.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: KevShmev on January 25, 2010, 01:46:47 PM
Hef, if by "good," you mean "great," then I agree with you.  :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 27, 2010, 10:09:05 AM
Hef, if by "good," you mean "great," then I agree with you.  :tup :tup
I do, and you do.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: The Letter M on January 27, 2010, 03:11:31 PM
 Their later albums (Unfold The Future to The Sum Of No Evil) are all a bit different from their earlier albums, and with varying personnel changes, it's almost a different band on each album, so you may want to check those out later.

Eh, I don't agree with that.  The drummers change from album to album a lot, but other than that, the rest of the band is pretty much the same (except for Gildenlow popping up on two albums, and a few guest appearances here and there).  I mean, all six albums from the 2000s have the core four of Stolt (guitar and vocals), Froberg (vocals and some guitar), Bodin (keys) and Reingold (bass), so saying it is like a different band on each album is very misleading, IMO. :)

Well, yeah, those albums do contain those four core members, but stylistically, Unfold The Future is quite a bit different than Paradox Hotel. UTF is full of jazzy-fusiony moments while PH is more concise, song-based and runs with a concept. Adam & Eve is a bit in the middle, but contains some full sounding pieces, especially with the band as big as it was on the album! The Sum Of No Evil is a bit of everything from the previous albums, with hints of early-TFK.

I guess you get the TFK-sound in each album, but each album is different enough that you can't really say they're all the same... as for saying it's a different band each album, yeah I'll agree that was misleading on my part, but their sound changing between albums is a bit more noticable than other recent/current prog bands out there.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: KevShmev on January 28, 2010, 09:57:27 PM
Hef, if by "good," you mean "great," then I agree with you.  :tup :tup
I do, and you do.  :biggrin:

Bitchin'.  :biggrin:

Well, yeah, those albums do contain those four core members, but stylistically, Unfold The Future is quite a bit different than Paradox Hotel. UTF is full of jazzy-fusiony moments while PH is more concise, song-based and runs with a concept. Adam & Eve is a bit in the middle, but contains some full sounding pieces, especially with the band as big as it was on the album! The Sum Of No Evil is a bit of everything from the previous albums, with hints of early-TFK.

I guess you get the TFK-sound in each album, but each album is different enough that you can't really say they're all the same... as for saying it's a different band each album, yeah I'll agree that was misleading on my part, but their sound changing between albums is a bit more noticable than other recent/current prog bands out there.

Okay, I see what you mean, but all of those albums are not that different.  They all pretty much have the core TFK sound, which is fairly unmistakable. 

Perhaps the best way to put it is, they are all somewhat varied and different in the context of the band's sound, which admittedly is somewhat narrow in scope.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: Jamesman42 on January 28, 2010, 10:05:23 PM
Kev, how are TFK's lyrics. I've yet to hear a single song by them. Would there be anything to conflict with a Christian faith?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Thread - because they are awesome and deserve one
Post by: KevShmev on January 28, 2010, 10:07:43 PM
Kev, how are TFK's lyrics. I've yet to hear a single song by them. Would there be anything to conflict with a Christian faith?

Not at all.  In fact, some of their lyrics have a slight spiritual feel to them, but are never in your face or over the top, even by the standards of those who would consider Neal Morse's lyrics to be too much.  That make sense?  :)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Jamesman42 on January 28, 2010, 10:09:27 PM
 :tup You speak clearly and well. I'll check them out via some way, and follow this thread for recommendations for sure.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on January 28, 2010, 10:45:06 PM
Sweet.  I would actually recommend starting with a lot of their shorter songs.  In fact, many of their best songs are the ones in the 6- to 10-minute range; think of them as mini-epics.  That is what makes Paradox Hotel so awesome; that album is filled with mostly songs in that time range (or maybe a tad shorter or longer), and most of them are tremendous.  On the flip side, an album like The Sum of No Evil tries so hard to be all-out proggy, that it often doesn't have room to breathe, as it is just one proggy song after another, with no let-up.  Just a suggestion. :)

Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: LudwigVan on January 29, 2010, 09:41:54 AM
Sweet.  I would actually recommend starting with a lot of their shorter songs.  In fact, many of their best songs are the ones in the 6- to 10-minute range; think of them as mini-epics.  That is what makes Paradox Hotel so awesome; that album is filled with mostly songs in that time range (or maybe a tad shorter or longer), and most of them are tremendous.  On the flip side, an album like The Sum of No Evil tries so hard to be all-out proggy, that it often doesn't have room to breathe, as it is just one proggy song after another, with no let-up.   Just a suggestion. :)



Your description of this album is getting me all excited.    :laugh:
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: LudwigVan on March 05, 2010, 02:55:20 PM
A few months back, I listened to Adam & Eve, not sure what to expect.  First couple of times I spun it, I was like... wut... the... fuk?  I couldn't wrap my head around it and tossed it aside, practically in disgust.   

I picked it up again and this time around, the music just grabbed me and didn't let go.  It's blown me away... I love it now.  I can't explain why this is happening though. 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: reneranucci on March 05, 2010, 03:12:57 PM
I just realized that when I bought the mp3 version of Paradox Hotel, I only bought disc 1  :facepalm: and the album is no longer available at the music store, in amazon is very expensive and I don´t feel like buying a physical copy since I already have disc 1... but I feel I´m missing a lot from disc 2... it´s your fault you Kev and your awesome posts  >:(
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 05, 2010, 11:30:19 PM
A few months back, I listened to Adam & Eve, not sure what to expect.  First couple of times I spun it, I was like... wut... the... fuk?  I couldn't wrap my head around it and tossed it aside, practically in disgust.   

I picked it up again and this time around, the music just grabbed me and didn't let go.  It's blown me away... I love it now.  I can't explain why this is happening though. 

Heh.  I was not wild about A&E at first either, but, while I still put it near the bottom on my list of favorite TFK records, I like it a lot now.  The only misses are the title track (a major WTF) and the chorus to "Starlight Man" (which is a shame, as the verses and that main guitar line are very cool).  "Timelines," "Driver's Seat," "The Blade of Cain" and "Love Supreme" are all great. :)

I just realized that when I bought the mp3 version of Paradox Hotel, I only bought disc 1  :facepalm: and the album is no longer available at the music store, in amazon is very expensive and I don´t feel like buying a physical copy since I already have disc 1... but I feel I´m missing a lot from disc 2... it´s your fault you Kev and your awesome posts  >:(

That does blow, but I am sure there are other ways to find disc 2. ;)  Considering some of the best songs from PH are on disc 2, you need it! :)

And so sorry for my awesome posts. ;)  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: ariich on March 06, 2010, 06:15:20 AM
Yeah Adam & Eve is one of their weaker albums, though it's still pretty good.

But disc 2 of PH should not be missed out on!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 06, 2010, 11:15:19 PM
A friend and I once debated over which disc was better from PH; I don't think we ever came to a conclusion.  Both discs are so awesome, picking against either seemed like treason. :lol :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: ariich on March 07, 2010, 02:45:02 AM
:lol Yeah, and pretty pointless really as it's simply a really solid 2-disc album. I actually listen to the mp3s more than the CDs (because changing CD is far too much effort) so rarely even distinguish what is on which disc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Quadrochosis on March 18, 2010, 10:34:01 PM
I haven't gotten a chance to read through this thread for all of Kev's reccomended TFK material, but I am really trying to get into this band, but it's pretty dense stuff.

I'm a huge fan of Yes and Pink Floyd (moreso than Rush or say, Jethro Tull) and Transatlantic so what kind of albums or songs by TFK would I be into?

Out of what I've listened to, my favorite song so far has been "Church of Your Heart" but I must admit that song is the furthest I've gotten on Stardust We Are.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 18, 2010, 10:37:44 PM
SWA was quite an animal to climb at first.  It was like Yes's Tales for me in that it is so massive and sprawling, you almost have to dedicate serious listening time to just that album and no other, to get into it. 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Quadrochosis on March 19, 2010, 12:54:32 PM
I just realized that TFK are really enjoyable if you play them LOUD.

"Don of the Universe" is playing right now and this band is suddenly clicking for me.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: LudwigVan on March 19, 2010, 12:59:46 PM
I spent all of last summer just listening to Flower Power and Stardust We Are, and I love them now.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Quadrochosis on March 19, 2010, 07:01:48 PM
I was going to listen to Flower Power right now, but I think an hour long opener is a bit too much for someone just getting into them, so I chose The Sum of No Evil. I'm digging it so far.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Nihil-Morari on March 20, 2010, 01:49:44 AM
No, it doesn't feel like an hour long opener at all.
It was the second song by the flower kings that I heard. And it got me hooked.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: ariich on March 20, 2010, 04:38:05 AM
I was going to listen to Flower Power right now, but I think an hour long opener is a bit too much for someone just getting into them, so I chose The Sum of No Evil. I'm digging it so far.
I'd say that's one of their weaker albums.

I know Kev isn't much of a fan of it, but I think Rainmaker is a really good introduction to the band. It's only a single disc, there isn't too much depth or weirdness to it, just a load of really good rock songs.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: dedSurroun on March 20, 2010, 06:49:27 AM
"Don of the Universe" is playing right now and this band is suddenly clicking for me.
One of my favorite songs of theirs. It's tasty. Love it.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 20, 2010, 08:50:50 AM
I know Kev isn't much of a fan of it, but I think Rainmaker is a really good introduction to the band. It's only a single disc, there isn't too much depth or weirdness to it, just a load of really good rock songs.

Could not disagree more.  I know several who started off with that album in the past and weren't eager to go any further, because of how underwhelming it was.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: robwebster on March 20, 2010, 08:59:05 AM
How do these crazy kids sound? I've heard their name bandied about a fair bit, but never really checked them out.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Quadrochosis on March 20, 2010, 10:25:44 AM
I'm actually having zero trouble getting into Stardust We Are, Kev. This album is phenomenal.

But then again I had very little trouble getting into Tales From Topographic Oceans.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 20, 2010, 11:40:11 AM
I'm actually having zero trouble getting into Stardust We Are, Kev. This album is phenomenal.
I didn't have any trouble with it, either.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on March 20, 2010, 11:53:56 AM
I'm actually having zero trouble getting into Stardust We Are, Kev. This album is phenomenal.
I didn't have any trouble with it, either.

Same here. SWA and FP were two of my first TFK albums - the other being Space Revolver (IMO, their best single-disc album... although their first two albums, BITWOA and Retropolis are VERY close behind for a tied-second).

Unfold The Future... now THAT took a bit of listening to get in to, and being their longest album, it was almost a daunting task to listen to the whole thing straight through the first few times. The opening song got me hooked, but after that, it's quite a wild ride that runs the full gamut of what the TFK had done and was doing at the time.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 20, 2010, 11:57:07 AM
So you guys all didn't have much trouble getting into SWA, eh?  Well, aren't you all freaking special!  :biggrin: :biggrin: :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 20, 2010, 12:10:31 PM
So you guys all didn't have much trouble getting into SWA, eh?  Well, aren't you all freaking special!  :biggrin: :biggrin: :lol :lol

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/funny/tarantino.gif)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Quadrochosis on March 20, 2010, 04:45:32 PM
:lol what a funny picture.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Quadrochosis on March 21, 2010, 09:47:15 PM
OK I have been listening to Stardust We Are nonstop since it clicked for me a few days ago.

How the hell was I never into this band before? They're so amazing.

I'm literally upset with myself for not giving this band a chance before, although I can't really blame myself because their discography is pretty daunting, what with so many double albums.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on March 21, 2010, 09:59:42 PM
OK I have been listening to Stardust We Are nonstop since it clicked for me a few days ago.

How the hell was I never into this band before? They're so amazing.

I'm literally upset with myself for not giving this band a chance before, although I can't really blame myself because their discography is pretty daunting, what with so many double albums.

They do have a HUGE discography, and not just in number of albums, but also pure volume and length as well! Four double albums is an amazing feat, and each of them is a little different from each other (I feel all of their albums are, anyway).

What's more amazing is that 4 of their albums had songs CUT from them (albeit they were single-disc albums);
Retropolis - cut tracks from those sessions found on Édition Limitée Québec
Space Revolver - bonus tracks on the Japanese Special Edition
The Rainmaker - bonus tracks on the Limited Edition
The Sum Of No Evil - bonus tracks on the Special Edition

I've taken all those tracks from their respective albums/sessions and made each of them 2-disc albums... yeah, I know, it's not like they didn't have enough 2-disc albums already (heck, all 3 of their live albums and their latest compilation were also 2-disc)... but I couldn't help myself!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 21, 2010, 10:00:26 PM
Yes, this band is amazing, and SWA is phenomenal.  God, if I had to list my favorite songs from that record in order, that would be difficult, as there are so many great ones.  Pretty much all of the normal length or extended songs are terrific.  Some of their best songs are from SWA.  

I agree that their discography can be a bit daunting and damn near intimidating, but it is well worth the effort.  Glad you are digging them, Quad! :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Quadrochosis on March 21, 2010, 10:09:51 PM
The funny thing is I always knew that I would enjoy them, seeing as I've always heard of them being compared to Yes (as far as the symphonic aspect and the lyrical peace loving stuff goes) but just never listened to them.

The music is also just extremely positive, which is really helping me get through a relatively saddening few weeks I've been having.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 21, 2010, 10:13:18 PM
Yeah, their music is very positive and uplifting; great spring and summer music!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Quadrochosis on March 21, 2010, 10:18:06 PM
My only complaint about SWA is that the "Stardust We Are" theme only makes its first appearance in "Pipes of Peace" (as far as I can tell so far, please correct me if I am wrong) which is already halfway through the album, and then almost every song after it features the theme. It would be cool if the first song had mention of it.

By the theme I mean the musical bit that's under the "Stardust We AREEEEE" lyrics in the title song.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 21, 2010, 10:36:13 PM
I haven't listened to SWA from start to finish in a while, so I cannot remember exactly where all of the title track themes are in other songs, but I seem to recall many of them being on the second disc. 

I do know, though, that when I saw them back in '06 (only time I have seen them), I was thrilled to death that they played both "Just This Once" and "Ghost of the Red Cloud," two songs which are seldom played. :)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Quadrochosis on March 21, 2010, 11:00:51 PM
I would like to see this band live, I wonder how often to come to America.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 21, 2010, 11:05:24 PM
They used to come over for a few shows every time they released a record, but it got to a point where they were losing money every time they did it, so IIRC they didn't come over here after releasing their last album back in '07.  In fact, I think they did less touring on that record than in the past, and now they are on hiatus, perhaps forever, so who knows when or if they will ever tour in America again.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 21, 2010, 11:11:14 PM
BTW, I meant to post this when I first read it, but here is a blog Hasse Froberg did last month.  He talks a lot about TFK, and alludes to some apparent friction between Roine Stol and Tomas Bodin (which sucks, as those are the two most important members as far as the core TFK sound goes).


What happened that day in Seattle at the fast food restaurant, when Roine became "Groina"? What was the truth behind the "Dwayne incident" in New York. In Paris, at one of the public restrooms, all of a sudden "Aaaaah..., Monsieur Bodin!" became a fact and has lived with us ever since. Will those stories ever be told? Frankly, at the moment I don't know? What I do know is the fact that TFK still has a break or a time out. I'm speaking with all the guys on a regular basis and for the moment everyone is busy with their own projects (me included). I guess it's still gonna take some time before you'll hear new material from TFK, except for the "Tribute to TFK" album that now is being recorded by various bands and artists around the world. Isn't that awesome! Other bands playing your songs on a record. Keep your eyes and ears open for that, I sure will. In fact I've told Roine a couple of times to make an official statement about the status of TFK. Nothing has happened yet. I can only tell you, what he tells me. For the moment he's not up for it. First of all there's some issues to deal with and most importantly, he needs to get the hunger, the urge to do it back. I just wish he could be a little more clear about it, for his sake, our sake and most of all you, the fans sake.

To me it's amazing TFK is still around. To lead such a band, can't be like a walk in the park. We're talking BIG egos here, that don't take no for an answer. Despite those circumstances, I believe we've found a way to work, to be creative and productive. From day one, Roine has been very democratic, we all have our say but if we disagree, Roine has the last word. For instance, before the latest tour we did, I thought Roine made some wrong decisions and I told him that. Still I respect him and his choices. He did what he thought was best for the band at that point. One decision we all agreed on, was to take a time out. I honestly don't think we could have continued because of the friction between Tomas and Roine. To some of you it might come as a surprize, but they haven't excactly been lovers lately. I do hope and I do believe that these two Gentlemen will work this out. I know for a fact, TFK been offered a tour, that means the interrest is still there. Most importantly, when (if) we'll record again. We have to make it the best album we've ever done.

About thirty minutes before the show I start with my vocal excercises. Not only to warm up the voice, it's equally important to get in the mood, or to get out of the "bus choma" or whatever. I don't know if this is the reason you don't see Jonas in the backstage area, until three minutes before we enter the stage. He might be chatting with a friend, watching a movie in the bus or the hotel. Even though, as soon as he hit the first note, he's spot on. Tomas is very restless before the show. If there's a curtain in front of the stage, he's already there playing with his headphones on. Roine is the total opposite. He's having like a meditative thirty minute pre-gig session, with a glass of red wine and closed eyes. I think he's mentally preparing the music and sometimes I actually think he falls asleep. As you probably understand, the lads in TFK are quite some characters and I love them. Tomas is funny, during rehearsals, if he gets lost. First of all he stops to play, he starts to shake both his hands in front of his chest at the same time as he looks at his keyboards. When we stop playing, he ALWAYS says: "This is not gonna work". Now, when you've heard that sentence approximately fourhundred times and it always works, you've learnt to be indulgent. I've done lots of crazy gigs over the years, but none of them tops Jonas gig at Tivoli in Copenhagen (the amusement park). He played there every afternoon together with some of the best jazz musicians out of Scandinavia. The money was right, the start time was right (you could even have another gig in the evening). The only thing that did'nt feel allright was the smell on stage but first of all in the backstage area. Hundreds of kilos of summer warm raw herring was carefully placed all over the place, just to please the star of the show: Adolf - the sea lion! I have to say I love the thought, that some of the best jazz musicians in Scandinavia, have to play the second fiddle to Adolf.

By now I've told you a couple of times, that this was the last blog on TFK. Remember, what I've written here was my impression of the adventures with these guys. I might have forgotten some names or some important things for that matter, but I've tried to be as honest as I could. I also tried to describe it as real as I could. From now on I'm gonna concentrate fully on HFMC and I'll try to write some blogs every now and then. As a matter of fact I got one coming allready. Look out for the blog: "Winter Olympics"
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Quadrochosis on March 21, 2010, 11:11:38 PM
=( I didn't realize they were on hiatus. I guess that's why there hasn't been a new album since 2007.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Quadrochosis on March 22, 2010, 08:18:06 PM
I'm giving Adam & Eve a listen now, and so far I'm really digging it.

Love this band more and more every day.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Quadrochosis on March 22, 2010, 10:06:12 PM
Sorry for the double post, but I really dug Adam & Eve, which is a good thing considering everyone else had it pretty low.

So far I've heard SWA, A&E, and Back in the World of Adventure and enjoyed all three thoroughly.

What else should I try?

EDIT: I couldn't wait around for an answer so I went with Space Revolver!!

Here's to a good time!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on March 22, 2010, 10:52:00 PM
Sorry for the double post, but I really dug Adam & Eve, which is a good thing considering everyone else had it pretty low.

So far I've heard SWA, A&E, and Back in the World of Adventure and enjoyed all three thoroughly.

What else should I try?

EDIT: I couldn't wait around for an answer so I went with Space Revolver!!

Here's to a good time!

Good choice! SR is one of their finer albums, but really, once you become more intimate with their whole catalog, you realize each album has a lot to offer, AND enjoy!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on March 23, 2010, 12:31:35 AM
My only complaint about SWA is that the "Stardust We Are" theme only makes its first appearance in "Pipes of Peace" (as far as I can tell so far, please correct me if I am wrong) which is already halfway through the album, and then almost every song after it features the theme. It would be cool if the first song had mention of it.

By the theme I mean the musical bit that's under the "Stardust We AREEEEE" lyrics in the title song.

Beyond that theme, "Circus Brimstone" contains themes from the title track. It's also a damn good song too!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: LudwigVan on March 23, 2010, 08:08:06 AM
Sorry for the double post, but I really dug Adam & Eve, which is a good thing considering everyone else had it pretty low.


Love Adam & Eve.  Definitely not low in my book. 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 23, 2010, 12:28:02 PM
Adam & Eve took a long time to fully grow on me, but I like it quite a bit now.  Okay, the title cut and "Starlight Man" are both fairly skippable, but just about everything else is really good, especially "Love Supreme" and the last three songs.

Space Revolver is awesome.  I still say that is their best single disc.   The bookend of "I Am the Sun" is just ridiculously awesome, and stuff like "Monster Within," "Underdog" and "A King's Prayer" stand out as pretty unique when looking at their history as a band.

And I just listened to "One More Time" from their last album again, seeing if it is better than I remembered it being, but nope; it is still boring as hell.  It is like prog-by-the-numbers, and without anything remotely interesting or memorable.  Oh well, even a band as great is this is gonna have a stinker or two once in a while. ;)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Quadrochosis on March 23, 2010, 01:10:13 PM
Giving Flower Power a spin now.

"Garden of Dreams" just blew me away. It'll take a few more solid listens to really get it all down, but my first impression was really positive.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on March 23, 2010, 01:18:21 PM
Speaking of "I Am The Sun", has anyone else mixed the two parts and made it one song? I carefully un-faded the outro of Part 1 and the intro of Part 2 and mixed them together, using the acoustic guitar part to line them up... oddly enough, it came out to an even 25:00. I wish it had been a part of their Meet The Flower Kings setlist.

As for the rest of Space Revolver, I agree that there are some GREAT tunes on there. "A King's Prayer" is amazing, and if you haven't heard it yet, the instrumental-jammy-version of it titled "Last Exit"(from the Japanese special edition) is just as amazing, with Roine playing a very soulful guitar-lead.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 23, 2010, 02:01:09 PM
Giving Flower Power a spin now.

"Garden of Dreams" just blew me away. It'll take a few more solid listens to really get it all down, but my first impression was really positive.

It only gets better!  Collectively, the GoD suite is definitely the best thing the band has ever done, if you ask me. :)

Speaking of "I Am The Sun", has anyone else mixed the two parts and made it one song? I carefully un-faded the outro of Part 1 and the intro of Part 2 and mixed them together, using the acoustic guitar part to line them up... oddly enough, it came out to an even 25:00. I wish it had been a part of their Meet The Flower Kings setlist.

The problem there is, I don't think they have ever played all of both parts of "I Am the Sun," so it would have been like they always play it...the first half of Part I and the second half of Part II.  In other words, we still wouldn't have gotten all 25 minutes.  And it is on the Instant Delivery DVD, so we still got it! :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: ariich on March 23, 2010, 02:10:01 PM
Due to all this discussion I'm listening to Adam & Eve for the first time in ages, and it's definitely a bit better than I remember. The start and ends of the album are solid enough with some really great bits, just gets a bit less interesting in the middle.

Listened to Paradox Hotel and Stardust yesterday though, which are mighty mighty fine albums.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Quadrochosis on March 23, 2010, 07:57:40 PM
Tonight I think I shall try Paradox Hotel.

I've been saving it, knowing that everyone loves it, so hopefully it can hold up to what everyone has said about it.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 23, 2010, 09:39:20 PM
Paradox Hotel is too great for words. :)

But to say a few :p, I love that most of the songs on that record were written on a piano and/or an acoustic.  It gives them a more organic feel, and the melodies are glorious.  It makes for an overall more enjoyable melodic journey, I think.  :coolio
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Quadrochosis on March 23, 2010, 11:54:41 PM
I.. I'm lost for words. You were right Kev, this album is just.. wow.

I think "End on a High Note" is leaving me teary eyed because it's just so happy and beautiful.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 24, 2010, 08:26:37 AM
 :) :) :)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: glaurung on March 24, 2010, 10:18:12 AM
I've been warming up to them too. I'm not anywhere as into them as Quadrochosis is, but I do like what I've heard so far.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 24, 2010, 04:06:52 PM
Oh, and Quad, a few years ago, a friend got married and had "End on a High Note" play at this wedding reception.  Pretty rad, eh?  I pretty much went apeshit over that song from the very first time I heard it, and still consider it one of my four or favorite TFK songs. :)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Quadrochosis on March 24, 2010, 06:19:00 PM
Oh, and Quad, a few years ago, a friend got married and had "End on a High Note" play at this wedding reception.  Pretty rad, eh?  I pretty much went apeshit over that song from the very first time I heard it, and still consider it one of my four or favorite TFK songs. :)

Yea, I think I've listened to it about 10 times today. It's just uncomprehendingly good.

BTW, what's the deal with "Bavarian Skies"?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on March 24, 2010, 06:52:37 PM
Oh, and Quad, a few years ago, a friend got married and had "End on a High Note" play at this wedding reception.  Pretty rad, eh?  I pretty much went apeshit over that song from the very first time I heard it, and still consider it one of my four or favorite TFK songs. :)

Yea, I think I've listened to it about 10 times today. It's just uncomprehendingly good.

BTW, what's the deal with "Bavarian Skies"?

Ahhh good old "Bavarian Skies"... AFAIK, it doesn't reflect anything by Roine or the band. It's just another part of the story/concept that they decided to throw in there. I get a bit of chills hearing it, it's so strange and unusual, but then again, the album itself is so diverse and such a grab-bad of musical genres and styles while still being within the realm of symphonic progressive rock.

As for Paradox Hotel, it took me a couple years for it to click. After it came out, being the first new album by the band after I became a fan, I wasn't too enthralled. Perhaps it was because I fell in love with their older sound, the most 70's-inspired symphonic prog rock, and PH was a bit too different sounding for me... but as the years have gone on, it's grown and I love pretty much EVERY minute of the album. The opening epic "Monsters And Men" is so great, and I love hearing those themes again in "Blue Planet"! The other opening and closing numbers are amazing as well ("End On A High Note" and "Minor Giant Steps").

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Quadrochosis on March 24, 2010, 08:07:58 PM
Just spun PH again, I'm getting to know the songs better, and the experience is only getting better with that!

EDIT: Giving Flower Power another spin tonight, the title track is still a large leap for me, but I will learn it over time!

This band is becoming an instant favorite, where does everyone else rank them amongst their top bands?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 24, 2010, 09:33:59 PM
BTW, what's the deal with "Bavarian Skies"?

IIRC, it is supposed to be in the first person of a character staying at the hotel.  I like the experimental and dark nature of the song.  The music at the end is gorgeous, and is a great segueway into "Self-Consuming Fire," which is one of my favorites from PH. :)

As for Paradox Hotel, it took me a couple years for it to click. After it came out, being the first new album by the band after I became a fan, I wasn't too enthralled. Perhaps it was because I fell in love with their older sound, the most 70's-inspired symphonic prog rock, and PH was a bit too different sounding for me... but as the years have gone on, it's grown and I love pretty much EVERY minute of the album. The opening epic "Monsters And Men" is so great, and I love hearing those themes again in "Blue Planet"! The other opening and closing numbers are amazing as well ("End On A High Note" and "Minor Giant Steps").

Honestly, as really good as "Monsters and Men" and "Minor Giant Steps" both are, I love the fact that most of the strongest songs on PH are not the longest ones.  I adore the beauty and simplicity of "Jealousy," I love the laid back nature of the bulk of the latter half of Disc 1, and "What If God is Alone?" is easily one of the best songs the band has ever done (along with "End of a High Note").

This band is becoming an instant favorite, where does everyone else rank them amongst their top bands?

Top 5 all-time for me.  In fact, on some days, they inch ahead of Floyd into number 3, but they usually sit around number 4 or 5.  :)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: ariich on March 25, 2010, 01:53:18 AM
BTW, what's the deal with "Bavarian Skies"?
It's incredible, that's what's up with it! It's probably one of my favourites off the album, just so eerie and full of atmosphere.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 25, 2010, 10:25:38 AM
The pacing of that block of songs on Disc 1 is tremendous.  "Bavarian Skies," "Self-Consuming Fire" and "Mommy, Leave the Light On" are all pretty laid back and rather dark, especially for them.  It is almost like someone listening to music late at night all the way through dawn while drifting in and out of sleep, and then "End of a High Note" is the sun and early morning fully waking you up. 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: LudwigVan on March 25, 2010, 10:36:03 AM


As for Paradox Hotel, it took me a couple years for it to click. After it came out, being the first new album by the band after I became a fan, I wasn't too enthralled. Perhaps it was because I fell in love with their older sound, the most 70's-inspired symphonic prog rock, and PH was a bit too different sounding for me... but as the years have gone on, it's grown and I love pretty much EVERY minute of the album. The opening epic "Monsters And Men" is so great, and I love hearing those themes again in "Blue Planet"! The other opening and closing numbers are amazing as well ("End On A High Note" and "Minor Giant Steps").

-Marc.

I think I'm experiencing the same feelings you had with Paradox Hotel.  For all the praise it gets about having shorter songs and being more accessible, I'm having a much more difficult time getting into it than I've had with Stardust We Are, Adam & Eve, Flower Power, Unfold the Future, The Rainmaker or Space Revolver.    
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: ariich on March 25, 2010, 01:59:52 PM
The pacing of that block of songs on Disc 1 is tremendous.  "Bavarian Skies," "Self-Consuming Fire" and "Mommy, Leave the Light On" are all pretty laid back and rather dark, especially for them.  It is almost like someone listening to music late at night all the way through dawn while drifting in and out of sleep, and then "End of a High Note" is the sun and early morning fully waking you up. 
That's an awesome and very fitting analogy. :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 26, 2010, 12:32:21 PM
The pacing of that block of songs on Disc 1 is tremendous.  "Bavarian Skies," "Self-Consuming Fire" and "Mommy, Leave the Light On" are all pretty laid back and rather dark, especially for them.  It is almost like someone listening to music late at night all the way through dawn while drifting in and out of sleep, and then "End of a High Note" is the sun and early morning fully waking you up. 
That's an awesome and very fitting analogy. :tup

Thanks!  And to think, I came up with that all on my own!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: ariich on March 28, 2010, 07:21:48 AM
Sat on a train listening to Paradox Hotel and being reminded how lovely Minor Giant Steps is. It's just so... nice! Listening to it always makes me feel happy.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on March 28, 2010, 03:38:00 PM
So I just did some math, and added up the album-lengths of each of the 10 official TFK albums as well as Roine's The Flower King... and my total for all 11 albums (released over 13 years from 1994-2007), came to 19:40:05 (hrs/mins/sec). That's a LOT of music to release in 13 years.

Now when I did the counts, I added bonus tracks released on various release:
Retropolis-session outtakes: "Kite" and "Buffalo Man"
Flower Power: 4 Bonus Tracks on a Japanese release
Space Revolver: 5 Bonus Tracks on a Japanese release + 3-Song EP ("She Carved Me A Wooden Heart", "Space Revolver" and "Jupiter Backwards")
The Rainmaker: Limited Edition Bonus Disc
Unfold The Future: "Too Late For Tomatoes"
The Sum Of No Evil: Special Edition Bonus Disc

And by now, this is the longest break between studio albums - three years currently. Unfortunately, it might be another year or more til we see more TFK. With Roine being busy with AOM and the TA tour this year, and Jonas reportedly going to start recording a new Karmakanic album last this year, and Hasse Fröberg will probably want to tour for his upcoming new band's album, FuturePast by Hasse Fröberg and the Musical Companion. That leaves Tomas who, apparently has had some things going on with Roine, which may or may not have led to this unplanned hiatus... but I'm sure while the other Kings are busy with other projects, Tomas will (and hopefully) be working on his follow-up to YOU ARE, HE SHE IT IS with his "new band", Eggs & Dogs.

There's been a lot of hope at the official TFK message board that the Kings would reconvene later this year, but with Jonas' plans, I highly doubt it, and with as much as Roine likes to do and keep busy, I'm sure he'll probably want to tour for the upcoming Agents Of Mercy album (maybe tour with Hasse Fröberg too? That'd be nice!).

I *really* hope that Roine might at least consider releasing the recorded DVD from the TSONE tour a couple years ago with Pat Mastelotto on drums, just to tide over TFK fans this year. I'd buy it in a heartbeat since we haven't had a TFK release since 2008's Carpe Diem - Live In USA 2006. This leaves 2009 as the one of the few years (since 1994) without an official TFK release (1998 and 2005 being the others, but 1998 had Édition Limitée Québec, technically). I don't want to go another year without a TFK release!

-Marc.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: dedSurroun on March 28, 2010, 04:34:40 PM


As for Paradox Hotel, it took me a couple years for it to click. After it came out, being the first new album by the band after I became a fan, I wasn't too enthralled. Perhaps it was because I fell in love with their older sound, the most 70's-inspired symphonic prog rock, and PH was a bit too different sounding for me... but as the years have gone on, it's grown and I love pretty much EVERY minute of the album. The opening epic "Monsters And Men" is so great, and I love hearing those themes again in "Blue Planet"! The other opening and closing numbers are amazing as well ("End On A High Note" and "Minor Giant Steps").

-Marc.
Never been a huge fan of Paradox Hotel. Not entirely sure why but it is, compared to everything else they've done, at the bottom of the list. It's good, but overrated.

I think I'm experiencing the same feelings you had with Paradox Hotel.  For all the praise it gets about having shorter songs and being more accessible, I'm having a much more difficult time getting into it than I've had with Stardust We Are, Adam & Eve, Flower Power, Unfold the Future, The Rainmaker or Space Revolver.    
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Quadrochosis on April 04, 2010, 02:27:39 PM
Listened to a lot of TFK on my trip, especially the plane rides.

On the way back the entire flight was basically filled by my listening to Paradox Hotel and Flower Power.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on April 04, 2010, 06:30:13 PM
Roine posted on his Facebook page today that the sessions for Agents Of Mercy 2 are well underway and working out great! He also said that after that album is done, and the TA Whirld Tour is over, he'll probably tour for AOM again later this year.

He also said he plans to go forward with his guitar-album project and his symphonic-album project, which have both been part of his ideas in the last couple of years. It almost saddens me that he is putting TFK further on the back-burner in favor for his side-projects/solo-albums, but I know he's probably got a LOT of great ideas to put out.. just not with TFK, it seems.

Kind of sad, but we'll surely be getting more from Roine this year (as if 3 albums last year wasn't enough between TA, 3WE and AOM), so I'm not entirely upset about that. Along with new Karmakanic and Hasse Fröberg And The Musical Companion, we'll be getting a LOT of TFK-related things this year. I hope Tomas Bodin takes this time to do something as well.

Between DT's unplanned hiatus and this, I'm a bit upset that two of my favorite bands most likely won't be recording an album this year. On the other hand, Spock's Beard and Rush are releasing new albums, so I'm quite happy about that!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 04, 2010, 10:41:42 PM
I wish I could get excited about the Angels of Mercy stuff, but the singer's voice just grated on me, and I couldn't get into that first CD, so if he using the same singer, then I doubt I will have much interest in it.  Roine's other side projects will always interest me, though.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Quadrochosis on April 06, 2010, 09:28:44 PM
Been listening to Flower Power a lot lately, "Garden of Dreams" is hands down their best song that I've heard so far.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 06, 2010, 10:01:30 PM
You won't hear anything better.  That is their best work to date.  Nearly an hour of absolute musical perfection.  :hat
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Quadrochosis on April 08, 2010, 12:52:55 AM
You won't hear anything better.  That is their best work to date.  Nearly an hour of absolute musical perfection.  :hat

Yea, your really not exaggerating either, it's simply a wonderful experience.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Quadrochosis on April 12, 2010, 01:59:13 PM
So is there any particular reason that "I Am The Sun" has twice the amount of listens on last.fm as every other song (almost combined)?

I'm listening to it, and while good, it's certainly not as good as a bunch of their other songs, even ones that are much shorter, which would be typical for the average listener to like more.

That only leaves me guessing that maybe the song was part of a compilation or in a movie or something which is why it has so many more plays than everything else the band has done.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: mizzl on April 12, 2010, 02:35:06 PM
I lol everytime I see this name
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 13, 2010, 09:58:31 AM
So is there any particular reason that "I Am The Sun" has twice the amount of listens on last.fm as every other song (almost combined)?

I'm listening to it, and while good, it's certainly not as good as a bunch of their other songs, even ones that are much shorter, which would be typical for the average listener to like more.

That only leaves me guessing that maybe the song was part of a compilation or in a movie or something which is why it has so many more plays than everything else the band has done.

That does seem odd.  Maybe a listener or two is intentionally listening to it a lot, to jack up the overall plays?  Seems crazy, but people are weird with that stuff sometimes.  I just can't see why that one song, as good as it is, would be so much higher than everything else.  ???
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: lateralus88 on April 13, 2010, 10:11:23 AM
I gave Retropolis another listen last night. It's been a long time since I've spun this album. I almost forgot how good of an album it is. Rhythm of the Sea = Complete and utter win.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Quadrochosis on April 13, 2010, 01:41:16 PM
I gave Retropolis another listen last night. It's been a long time since I've spun this album. I almost forgot how good of an album it is. Rhythm of the Sea = Complete and utter win.

That's so strange because I listened to it last night too, it's probably my favorite single disc TFK album.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 13, 2010, 09:05:49 PM
I think Space Revolver is a little better, but Retropolis, which is definitely awesome, would still be my 2nd favorite single TFK record.

And yes, "Rhythm of the Sea" is tremendous.  I love the acoustic guitar and the vocals in that song.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Quadrochosis on April 14, 2010, 06:09:36 AM
I think Space Revolver is a little better, but Retropolis, which is definitely awesome, would still be my 2nd favorite single TFK record.

And yes, "Rhythm of the Sea" is tremendous.  I love the acoustic guitar and the vocals in that song.

Yea I'd agree that SR is awesome too, definitely number 2 on the list of single records for me.

They definitely have a knack for really making double albums well, as I enjoy most of their double stuff more than the single stuff. (Although "Unfold The Future" hasn't really clicked for me yet)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Quadrochosis on April 19, 2010, 07:57:46 AM
OK I think I am about ready to do a album ranking. This is obviously going to change as I become more fully knowledgeable of their music but here goes nothing:

1. Stardust We Are*
2. Flower Power*
3. Paradox Hotel*
4. Retropolis
5. Space Revolver
6. Back In The World of Adventure
7. Unfold The Future*
8. Adam & Eve
9. The Sum Of No Evil
10. The Rainmaker

* - double album

That being said, "Garden of Dreams" is definitely my favorite song by them, I just think that overall SWA is better.

For some reason, The Rainmaker hasn't really clicked with me at all yet, so I'm not sure if it's too low at the moment.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on April 19, 2010, 09:10:44 AM
OK I think I am about ready to do a album ranking. This is obviously going to change as I become more fully knowledgeable of their music but here goes nothing:

1. Stardust We Are*
2. Flower Power*
3. Paradox Hotel*
4. Retropolis
5. Space Revolver
6. Back In The World of Adventure
7. Unfold The Future*
8. Adam & Eve
9. The Sum Of No Evil
10. The Rainmaker

* - double album

That being said, "Garden of Dreams" is definitely my favorite song by them, I just think that overall SWA is better.

For some reason, The Rainmaker hasn't really clicked with me at all yet, so I'm not sure if it's too low at the moment.

This looks pretty good and normal for many TFK fans, so I think your preference for their longer albums/songs is right up there with most of the band's followers. I'd say my list is comparable to yours, and I do find that A&E, TSONE and TR are often near the bottom of people's rankings. It might be coincidence that they are the band's latter single-disc releases, but they often seem to polarize fans - you either hate them or love them, esp with A&E and TR. With TSONE, it's a bit more mixed, and I've grown to love it, actually, and took me less time for it to "click" with me than the other two, althgouh I now love A&E! The Rainmaker still feels a bit average to me, but there are some enjoyable tracks on it (opening and closing songs to name a couple).

I'm also glad to see you've put PH up so high at number 3! It definitely rotates in my TFK top 3, along with SWA and UTF. Flower Power is really good, but I haven't really connected TOO much with it, beyond "Garden Of Dreams", but I was listening to it a couple weeks ago and really enjoyed it start to finish, so it may rank around 5 or 6 for me. I still find their first two albums to be particularly great, and concise too.

Also, Quadrochosis, have you had a chance to listen to Roine Stolt's The Flower King and/or Hydrophonia? The former is the pre-TFK album that is filled with some great tunes, and the latter is a TFK-esque instrumental album. I highly suggest those two as well.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 19, 2010, 09:18:04 AM
Cannot argue with those rankings one bit.  Even though my specific order would be slightly different, 1-3, 4-7, and 8-10 are all the same tiers I would have them in. :D
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: ariich on April 19, 2010, 11:52:57 AM
Mine would be something like this (although it changes quite often):

1. Stardust We Are*
2. Space Revolver
3. Paradox Hotel*
4. The Rainmaker
5. Flower Power*
6. Unfold The Future*
7. Retropolis
8. Adam & Eve
9. The Sum Of No Evil
10. Back In The World of Adventure
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Plasmastrike on May 12, 2010, 11:33:31 AM
So, I've had four albums by this band in my iTunes for months:
Retropolis
Untold The Future
Adam & Eve
Paradox Hotel

Well, I finally decided to give them a run. I chose Paradox and just got done with the epic second track. This band is phenomenal! I'm so impressed. They have potential to really climb my favorite band list.

Kind of a random observation, but I also got into Transatlantic just recently through The Whirlwind. It remains my favorite album by them by far, absolutely love it. Paradox so far actually kind of reminds me a lot of Whirlwind, with the really grand, arena-filling climax ending (track 2). Maybe Roine got a lot more arm room for writing with TA's most recent album. (I truly have no idea - just observing)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 12, 2010, 12:46:22 PM
So, I've had four albums by this band in my iTunes for months:
Retropolis
Untold The Future
Adam & Eve
Paradox Hotel

Well, I finally decided to give them a run. I chose Paradox and just got done with the epic second track. This band is phenomenal! I'm so impressed. They have potential to really climb my favorite band list.

This is great to hear. :tup :tup

Kind of a random observation, but I also got into Transatlantic just recently through The Whirlwind. It remains my favorite album by them by far, absolutely love it. Paradox so far actually kind of reminds me a lot of Whirlwind, with the really grand, arena-filling climax ending (track 2). Maybe Roine got a lot more arm room for writing with TA's most recent album. (I truly have no idea - just observing)

I think it is fairly obvious what songs from "The Whirlwind" suite had the most Roine influence...namely, the ones he sings.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Plasmastrike on May 12, 2010, 01:31:58 PM
Gotta love being new to bands pointing out the obvious :P :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: dedSurroun on May 12, 2010, 03:17:30 PM
My ranking, which only has a few really clear and definite spots, marked in bold. The rest are a "more or less" type deal, although this ranking has been consistent the past year or so. I had to include two fanclub releases, which in my opinion either ranks as highly, or higher, than some of the studio album, especially Harvest.

1. Unfold The Future
** Harvest (Fanclub 2005)
2. Flower Power
3. Space Revolver
4. Adam & Eve
** BetchaWannaDanceStoopid! (Fanclub 2004)
5. Stardust We Are
6. The Sum Of No Evil
7. The Rainmaker
8. Paradox Hotel
9. Retropolis
10. Back In The World Of Adventure
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: LudwigVan on May 12, 2010, 03:57:30 PM
That's a nice ranking, I like where you've got Adam and Eve :tup. The only thing I might put above it is Stardust.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: reneranucci on May 12, 2010, 09:05:37 PM
I can´t get into Paradox Hotel (at least the first disc). I´m a sucker for good vocal melodies and in most of the songs they sound pretty forced, I think it´s not one of the album´s strenghts. I´ll try to focus on other things.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: MetalManiac666 on May 12, 2010, 09:16:18 PM
Lately, I have not been able to stop listening to "Chicken Farmer Song."  SO CATCHY, SO HAPPY
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 12, 2010, 10:19:07 PM
Gotta love being new to bands pointing out the obvious :P :biggrin:

Eh?  Color me confused. ???

Lately, I have not been able to stop listening to "Chicken Farmer Song."  SO CATCHY, SO HAPPY

Love it, too. :coolio :coolio
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: dedSurroun on May 13, 2010, 02:12:56 PM
That's a nice ranking, I like where you've got Adam and Eve :tup. The only thing I might put above it is Stardust.
Yeah, I really like A&E. Don't see why a lot of people put it further down.

IMHO, SWE has more filler material, and weaker songs overall, hence it's place. But it's still a damn good album. It's funny, saying that a TFK album isn't "that good" still places it way, waaaay above the competition. Even a #10 spot is relatively high.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: dedSurroun on May 13, 2010, 02:14:21 PM
I can´t get into Paradox Hotel (at least the first disc). I´m a sucker for good vocal melodies and in most of the songs they sound pretty forced, I think it´s not one of the album´s strenghts. I´ll try to focus on other things.
I agree. I can get into it, but it's just not as good as people claim it is. A bit overrated. Luckily there's plenty more music by them to enjoy.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 13, 2010, 03:22:47 PM
Yeah, I really like A&E. Don't see why a lot of people put it further down.

IMHO, SWE has more filler material, and weaker songs overall, hence it's place.  

Eh, nothing on SWA is close to as weak as "Adam and Eve" or "Starlight Man," not counting SWA's short, transitional pieces (which are like interludes rather than real songs).

It's funny, saying that a TFK album isn't "that good" still places it way, waaaay above the competition. Even a #10 spot is relatively high.

Very true.  I like A&E a lot, but I cannot put it any higher than 8th on my list.

I can´t get into Paradox Hotel (at least the first disc). I´m a sucker for good vocal melodies and in most of the songs they sound pretty forced, I think it´s not one of the album´s strenghts. I´ll try to focus on other things.
I agree. I can get into it, but it's just not as good as people claim it is. A bit overrated.

Absolute rubbish, laddie! :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: reneranucci on May 13, 2010, 03:29:21 PM
I can´t get into Paradox Hotel (at least the first disc). I´m a sucker for good vocal melodies and in most of the songs they sound pretty forced, I think it´s not one of the album´s strenghts. I´ll try to focus on other things.
I agree. I can get into it, but it's just not as good as people claim it is. A bit overrated. Luckily there's plenty more music by them to enjoy.
Definitely.End on a High Note saves disc 1 (what an appropiate name for a song  :P). Maybe it´ll grow on me but I´m disappointed so far. After listening to Garden of Dreams I thought this band couldn´t do anything bad. Well, maybe disc 2 is better.

I find Bavarian Skies absolutely unbearable. Musically, vocally and, above all, lyrically. I had to say it, no offense to the band, I think they´re great, but creating such a song was completely unnecessary IMO. Maybe I´m missing something and the intention of the song was to build up on the sadness of the previous songs and that goes on the next two songs. Kev, what do you think? I don´t want to be harsh, but that song really irritated me.

EDIT: Ok I read previous comments on this thread about the song.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 13, 2010, 03:43:06 PM
"Bavarian Skies" is not one of my favorites, but I like it, and think it works really well at that point in the album.  It is pretty different for them, yes, especially given how dreary it is, but I think it works.  And I love the songs before and after it. 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Quadrochosis on May 13, 2010, 07:24:43 PM
For me PH has the same feel that The Beatles' The Beatles had. All the song are very varied and different, and don't really sound like they should be together, but it somehow works out sounding really interesting and great. It's almost as if every song is a new band, which is a cool thing to do for an album, and I feel that it worked well.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on May 13, 2010, 08:06:47 PM
For me PH has the same feel that The Beatles' The Beatles had. All the song are very varied and different, and don't really sound like they should be together, but it somehow works out sounding really interesting and great. It's almost as if every song is a new band, which is a cool thing to do for an album, and I feel that it worked well.

Oddly enough, both Paradox Hotel and The Beatles are each respective band's ninth studio albums! Number 9... number 9... number 9...

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Quadrochosis on May 13, 2010, 08:08:07 PM
For me PH has the same feel that The Beatles' The Beatles had. All the song are very varied and different, and don't really sound like they should be together, but it somehow works out sounding really interesting and great. It's almost as if every song is a new band, which is a cool thing to do for an album, and I feel that it worked well.

Oddly enough, both Paradox Hotel and The Beatles are each respective band's ninth studio albums! Number 9... number 9... number 9...

-Marc.

*headsplode*
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 14, 2010, 01:32:48 PM
That's an interesting take, Quad.  I don't necessarily agree with it, but it is interesting, nonetheless. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: dedSurroun on May 14, 2010, 02:49:38 PM
Yeah, I really like A&E. Don't see why a lot of people put it further down.

IMHO, SWE has more filler material, and weaker songs overall, hence it's place.  

Eh, nothing on SWA is close to as weak as "Adam and Eve" or "Starlight Man," not counting SWA's short, transitional pieces (which are like interludes rather than real songs).
Going along with your argument that those two songs are weak, I can think of a few of the top of my head that are at least on par with, if not worse than, them: In The Eyes Of The World, Compassion, The End Of Innocence, The Merrygoround, and Different People.

I can´t get into Paradox Hotel (at least the first disc). I´m a sucker for good vocal melodies and in most of the songs they sound pretty forced, I think it´s not one of the album´s strenghts. I´ll try to focus on other things.
I agree. I can get into it, but it's just not as good as people claim it is. A bit overrated.

Absolute rubbish, laddie! :biggrin:
Hahaha, yeah no  :corn
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Quadrochosis on May 14, 2010, 11:13:07 PM
Going along with your argument that those two songs are weak, I can think of a few of the top of my head that are at least on par with, if not worse than, them: In The Eyes Of The World, Compassion, The End Of Innocence, The Merrygoround, and Different People.

What? "In The Eyes of the World", "The Merrygoround" and "Different People" are some of SWE's best. "Compassion" is amazing too.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 14, 2010, 11:18:32 PM
Yeah, those songs are all amazing, so I can't agree with that at all.  "The End of Innocence" is the least bunch of that bunch, but that is still a good song, and miles better than those clunkers from A&E, IMO.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: LudwigVan on May 15, 2010, 06:31:49 PM
I'm finding that The Flower Kings is perfect spring/summer outdoor listening music.   :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 15, 2010, 11:03:22 PM
I'm finding that The Flower Kings is perfect spring/summer outdoor listening music.   :tup

Damn straight!  Oddly, I haven't gone through my usual TFK phase yet this spring, but we keep getting too much damn rain.  Once it gets all sunny and warm out on a regular basis, I will know that that phase is just around the corner. :D
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Post by: The Letter M on May 15, 2010, 11:22:59 PM
I'm finding that The Flower Kings is perfect spring/summer outdoor listening music.   :tup

Damn straight!  Oddly, I haven't gone through my usual TFK phase yet this spring, but we keep getting too much damn rain.  Once it gets all sunny and warm out on a regular basis, I will know that that phase is just around the corner. :D

Funny you guys mention this. I was in my TFK phase a couple months ago, between February-March, but for the last few weeks, it's been Marillion for me, which has fit with most of my current moods lately, as well as the weather (which seems to change day to day, and has been gray and rainy for much of the last month or so here). I'll probably rotate TFK back in sometime over the summer, but when I get SBX in a week or so, it'll probably be Spock's Beard for a month or two... maybe when the 2nd Agents Of Mercy album is released, i'll be in full TFK-mode by then!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Quadrochosis on May 15, 2010, 11:24:27 PM
Funny, over the winter I was in a TFK phase and now for the beginning of the summer I seem to be moving into a PT phase :lol
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: ariich on May 17, 2010, 02:44:59 PM
"Bavarian Skies" is not one of my favorites, but I like it, and think it works really well at that point in the album.  It is pretty different for them, yes, especially given how dreary it is, but I think it works.  And I love the songs before and after it. 
I adore Bavarian Skies, the timing and placement of it within the album are perfect, and it's just so eerie and unusual. One of the things I love about TFK is that they can do surprising things like that.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 25, 2010, 10:03:51 PM
FYI, my next top 50 list will be for TFK...and I will be doing it in this thread.  I should be starting it sometime in the next 24 hours. :hat
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Quadrochosis on May 25, 2010, 10:23:57 PM
Nice! I can't wait!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Plasmastrike on May 25, 2010, 11:03:29 PM
Word kevvv.  :metal
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 25, 2010, 11:04:31 PM
Okay, like the other top 50s I have done, this is all for fun, and I put the list together in a short amount of time, so this is more or less to generate discussion and get us all talking about the greatness of the Flower Kings!  I didn't do this with the others, but this time, I will be the album each song is from after the song title.  And away we go...

50. "The Truth Will Set You Free" (Unfold the Future)

That's right.  "The Truth..." is number 50.  This will seem low to a lot of people, some of whom consider it one of their best songs ever, if not their best, but while I like it a lot, I have never gone completely crazy over it like so many others have.  I feel it could have been trimmed a bit and been much, much better, but as is, it is still pretty damn good, and more than worthy of making my top 50.

49. "Church of Your Heart" (Stardust We Are)

This might sound odd, but this sounds like one of those songs the band could write in their sleep.  It sounds like a by-the-numbers prog rock mini-epic, but that doesn't take away from its greatness.  That actually says a lot about how prolific they are, when they can make something that sounds so standard for the genre sound so great.  The main musical melody in this songs always reminds me of a song I heard in church growing up, hence the title.  That can't be a coincidence.

48. "Train to Nowhere" (Back in the World of Adventures)

This song is a shining example of how great Roine Stolt's understated, yet expressive, vocals can be; I prefer his voice over Forberg's by a massive distance.  Roine's soulful guitar playing during the choruses is so wonderful, I could listen to him play stuff like that all day long.  Very cool song lyrically, too.

47. "Timelines" (Adam & Eve)

A very dynamic song, this song runs the gauntlet between the quirky rocking side of the band and the laid back, chilling vibe that they do so well.  I love the acoustic during the verses, and when the mellotron and bass guitar come in during the latter half of the first verse, that is some killer stuff going on there.  Roine's guitar solo in this song is absolute money.  Something tells me I could probably say that about most of the songs I will list in this countdown!

46. "Rumble Fish Twist" (Space Revolver)

Another very dynamic song, this instrumental might be the most showy the band has ever gotten, as the first few minutes move at a pretty furious pace, the keys and drums being the standouts.  Then, the song slows down, and the guitar and bass take center stage.  Despite the contrast between the two parts of the song, it still manages to sound cohesive.  



  
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Quadrochosis on May 25, 2010, 11:37:48 PM
I'd put CoYH higher, but that's just me. Good tunes so far :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 26, 2010, 09:49:24 AM
I'd put CoYH higher, but that's just me. 

It might have been higher had I done it today.  Looking the list over again just now, I adjusted it on the fly...moved a few up, and moved a few down.  But once I post them here, they are locked in, so 45 and up are still subject to changing...until I do another update later tonight. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: Quadrochosis on May 26, 2010, 12:03:13 PM
That's funny I do the same thing to my lists  :biggrin: :lol
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Post by: ariich on May 26, 2010, 02:07:49 PM
Listened to Unfold the Future and Space Revolver at work today. SO MUCH GREAT MUSIC. :D
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Post by: The Letter M on May 26, 2010, 03:14:13 PM
I listened to UTF this morning in it's entirety... amazing album. Although when looking at my iPod, I realized I haven't listened to it a lot, or in awhile, and that both Adam & Eve and Paradox Hotel had A LOT more play counts than UTF.

Choosing UTF over PH was a VERY hard decision in the Five Albums thread, but really, I could pick either depending on my mood. I've just been in more of a mood that UTF reflects than PH... although coming off my recent Marillion-kick, PH might be exactly what I should be listening to! (I'm going off to put PH on as soon as I finish spinning Spock's Beard's X).

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: MetalManiac666 on May 26, 2010, 09:18:28 PM
Just ordered Flower Power off of Amazon.  It'll be my second FK album, my first being Space Revolver.  I'm pumped to hear it.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: KevShmev on May 26, 2010, 10:10:19 PM
That's funny I do the same thing to my lists  :biggrin: :lol

Heh.  It is hard not to, though, with so many great songs!

Listened to Unfold the Future and Space Revolver at work today. SO MUCH GREAT MUSIC. :D

 :hat

I listened to UTF this morning in it's entirety... amazing album. Although when looking at my iPod, I realized I haven't listened to it a lot, or in awhile, and that both Adam & Eve and Paradox Hotel had A LOT more play counts than UTF.

Choosing UTF over PH was a VERY hard decision in the Five Albums thread, but really, I could pick either depending on my mood. I've just been in more of a mood that UTF reflects than PH... although coming off my recent Marillion-kick, PH might be exactly what I should be listening to! (I'm going off to put PH on as soon as I finish spinning Spock's Beard's X).

-Marc.

I think some of the first disc of UtF is a little weak, but it is still a very strong album overall.  I don't think it touches PH, however. ;)

And when I saw your top 5 have 6DOIT, UtF and Snow, it reminded of how 2002 was like the year of the prog double album.  I remember several of the forums I posted at at the time all talking about which of the three was the best.  It's still a pretty tough call for me.

Just ordered Flower Power off of Amazon.  It'll be my second FK album, my first being Space Revolver.  I'm pumped to hear it.

Nice!  I would tackle them one disc at a time.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: KevShmev on May 27, 2010, 12:10:53 PM
Update:

45. "Elaine" (The Rainmaker)

This song being in here is probably a curve ball for some, but I have always loved it.  I love those simple, beautiful TFK songs that Roine sings (as opposed to Froberg, who can sometimes make them sound a bit too wussy, "Vox Humana" being a fine example of this).  Despite the simplicity of this song, there is some amazing bass work in this tune, and the outro featuring the soprano sax is just amazing. 

44. "Don of the Universe" (Stardust We Are)

I was iffy on this song making it initially, but then I listened to it and was like, how can this not make it?  It is centered around the main theme of the Disc 2 of the album, but with the acoustic and a sitar (or possibly a sitar sample :p) taking center stage.  Their ability to pull of this song so well speaks volumes to how musical the band really is.

43. Man Overboard (Unfold the Future)

To me, Tomas Bodin's work in this song makes it.  Roine Stolt deservedly gets a ton of credit for how great this band is, but Bodin is extremely important, as well; his keyboard work is just as much of their sound as Roine's guitar is.  I love how his sounds in this song really give you that feeling like you are listening to a song that is music to a movie soundtrack about a ship lost at sea, hence the title, "Man Overboard."

42. "Lucy Had a Dream" (Paradox Hotel)

The first in that line of darker songs from the latter half of Disc 1 of PH, this song was an instant winner with me.  From the opening drum fills to the piano flourishes to the slide guitar leads, everything about this song creates a vibe that I just love to death.  The Flower Kings often do a great job at making a rather simple song still sound proggy, while still keeping their playing restrained, and nowhere is this more evident than here.  The psychedelic ending to the song is just killer, too.

41. "Underdog" (Space Revolver)

A prog band starting a song with bagpipes?  Whoever heard of such a thing?!  Well, this is the Flower Kings, and they are always doing different and odd things within the context of their symphonic prog sound.  This is probably one of the more hard rocking songs in their catalog, as it features a pretty hard-hitting pace, and the outro is probably about as close to metal as they have ever gotten.  And despite all of that, plenty of gorgeous vocal harmonies are aplenty.  And how about those samples at the end?  "How can you possibly fit all of that in your mouth?" :lol


Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: Quadrochosis on May 27, 2010, 04:26:10 PM
Yay for Lucy and Don, two great songs! :)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: KevShmev on May 28, 2010, 09:18:29 AM
Well, since this isn't generating the discussion I had hoped for, I will probably do the rest of the list a lot quicker and do a lot shorter write-ups, or maybe even just list the songs without any kind of write-up.  I guess there just aren't enough TFK fans here.  Blah. :sad:
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: MetalManiac666 on May 28, 2010, 11:09:58 AM
I'm interested in seeing the rest of your list.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: Quadrochosis on May 28, 2010, 12:08:45 PM
I've been checking this thread regularly Kev!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: KevShmev on May 28, 2010, 12:23:08 PM
I'm interested in seeing the rest of your list.

 :tup :tup

I've been checking this thread regularly Kev!

Oh, I know.  I was just hoping for more actual discussion of the songs I have been listing.  I know TFK isn't gonna generate discussion like some of the more popular bands around here, but jeez.  I guess I should temper my expectations. :censored :lol :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: glaurung on May 28, 2010, 02:53:32 PM
I'm not too familiar with the band so I haven't rally had much to comment on but I am reading.

You might get more traffic with your own thread.
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Post by: MetalManiac666 on May 28, 2010, 08:42:17 PM
Yeah, as I've said before, I only have one TFK album right now, so I haven't had much to comment on.
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Post by: KevShmev on May 29, 2010, 12:41:49 PM
40. "Minor Giant Steps" (Paradox Hotel)

The Yes influence is quite prevalent at times with TFK, and this song is one where it is on full display, especially in those gorgeous vocal harmonies.  This song reminds me so much of summer, as Disc 2 of PH was what I always listened to on the way home from college in the summer of '06, and this being the first song on that disc, it always kicked things off.  That was a great summer. :coolio

39. "The Melting Pot" (Retropolis)

I think it is only fair to include the "Romancing in the City" solo piano piece with this, as they run together, and that is like the intro to "The Melting Pot."  This is another song where the soprano sax is featured, this time playing the lead melody for much of the tune.  A great instrumental, this is.

38. "Pioneers of Aviation" (Paradox Hotel)

Yet another instrumental, I like how the song teases you with the main melody, played softly at the beginning, before going into an extended intro, and finally having the main melody kick in full force on the guitar.  The pacing of this tune is just immaculate.

37. "Genie in a Bottle" (Unfold the Future)

How can you not love a song with so much gorgeous mellotron work?  A very rhythmic song, "Genie in a Bottle" has tons of little quirky things that make it so great.  I love the subtle little sax parts during the second verse; when it bubbles up suddenly during the "Hush, little baby, don't you cry" line, that is killer stuff.

36. "There Is More to This World" (Retropolis)

This is hands down one of the band's definitive songs.  It has everything in it that makes the band so great: wonderful melodies, a great chorus, wonderful two-part vocal interplay, great instrumentation, and a memorable and positive vibe.


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Post by: Quadrochosis on May 29, 2010, 03:54:10 PM
Gaah MGS and TIMTTW should be higher! PoA is in a good spot though :tup
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Post by: The Letter M on May 29, 2010, 04:23:09 PM
Gaah MGS and TIMTTW should be higher! PoA is in a good spot though :tup

I agree! But I think "Pioneers" could've been a bit higher... it's one of my favorite pieces off of Paradox Hotel, and among all TFK instrumentals in general!

Anyways, I look forward to seeing your top 20 and top 10, Kev!

-Marc.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 29, 2010, 04:44:17 PM
40. "Minor Giant Steps" (Paradox Hotel)

The Yes influence is quite prevalent at times with TFK, and this song is one where it is on full display, especially in those gorgeous vocal harmonies.  This song reminds me so much of summer, as Disc 2 of PH was what I always listened to on the way home from college in the summer of '06, and this being the first song on that disc, it always kicked things off.  That was a great summer. :coolio
I just absolutely love this song.  :tup
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Post by: KevShmev on May 29, 2010, 05:59:01 PM
40. "Minor Giant Steps" (Paradox Hotel)

The Yes influence is quite prevalent at times with TFK, and this song is one where it is on full display, especially in those gorgeous vocal harmonies.  This song reminds me so much of summer, as Disc 2 of PH was what I always listened to on the way home from college in the summer of '06, and this being the first song on that disc, it always kicked things off.  That was a great summer. :coolio
I just absolutely love this song.  :tup

It is wonderful, isn't it? :)

Anyways, I look forward to seeing your top 20 and top 10, Kev!

Right on! :tup :tup

Gaah MGS and TIMTTW should be higher!

Perhaps. :biggrin:

Actually, having listened to TFK all week, I am kicking myself for leaving several songs off, but there is no way I can adjust my list and work them in now, as everything left is too good and too essential to take off....so I guess those songs will have to settle for being honorable mentions.  Gah. :lol
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Post by: Quadrochosis on May 29, 2010, 10:07:33 PM
Well to be fair, there are certainly way more than 50 TFK songs that deserve a place in the top 10.
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Post by: KevShmev on May 29, 2010, 10:33:19 PM
Well to be fair, there are certainly way more than 50 TFK songs that deserve a place in the top 10.

True that.  

Not to turn this thread negative, but the list of TFK songs that wouldn't have a prayer of making my top 50 is much easier to make (not counting the short little interlude songs, like on SWA, or intro songs, like what starts off PH):

"One More Time"
"Starlight Man"
"Sword of God"
"Vox Humana"

That's it.  That's the list.

Now, turning this back to the positive, it is nice how well A&E as a whole has aged.  Okay, "Starlight Man" is weak (thanks to that wussy chorus) and the title track is somewhat of a WTF, but the rest is really good.  And it sounds terrific.  The bass sounds very rich and thick, the drums sound just awesome, and the overall balance is perfect.  I wish the earlier CDs (which sound really good, even still) sounded that good.  A&E is still only my 8th favorite TFK CD, and has only three songs in this top 50, but it is a lot better CD than most, including myself, thought it was at first.

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Post by: KevShmev on May 30, 2010, 05:28:08 PM
35. "Serious Dreamers" (The Rainmaker)

I can honestly say that this has always been my favorite song from that CD, and I don't see that ever changing. This is just a terrific song, replete with great harmonies, dazzling keyboard lines, and an outro to die for.  Seriously, that outro is by far the highlight of not only the song, but of the whole album; just a terrific way to end a CD.  And for some reason, this song always reminds me of the ocean...probably because part of the main line sounds like "California dreaming" as opposed to the real line, "...can't afford the dreaming." :lol

34. "The Merrygoround" (Stardust We Are)

Considering what a fun song this is, the title is very fitting.  Roine Stolt's Steve Howe-like guitar leads are absolutely dynamite, and I love the fast-paced section following the second chorus: "Number ten, lost again!"  And the mellow second half of the song is just beautiful.

33. "Touch My Heaven" (Paradox Hotel)

It's all about the guitar solo.  That guitar solo.  It ought to be put in a time capsule for music fans hundreds of years from now to listen to.  It is that good.  And the meat of the song is great, too, a rare solo composition by Tomas Bodin.

32. "The Road Back Home" (Retropolis)

I am always a fan of songs that are acoustic guitar-driven, and this song is no exception.  The keyboard solo in the middle of the song sounds like something out of a classic Genesis song: graceful and perfectly-placed in the song, and with a gorgeous pace and vibe.  And the climatic ending is another classic TFK gorgeous finale.

31. "Love Supreme" (Adam & Eve)

I have to admit that this song took quite a while to grow on me, as I thought some of the melodies were a bit too pretty at first, especially the one that opens the song, but one day, the light bulb went on, and all of a sudden, it was a major winner for me.  The Yes-like chorus is terrific, and when Roine takes over the lead vocals about halfway through, the song really takes off.  A&E is a fantastic "sounding" CD, and this song really benefits from the great production job.

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Post by: ariich on May 30, 2010, 05:33:36 PM
40. "Minor Giant Steps" (Paradox Hotel)

The Yes influence is quite prevalent at times with TFK, and this song is one where it is on full display, especially in those gorgeous vocal harmonies.  This song reminds me so much of summer, as Disc 2 of PH was what I always listened to on the way home from college in the summer of '06, and this being the first song on that disc, it always kicked things off.  That was a great summer. :coolio
I just absolutely love this song.  :tup
Completely this, definitely one of my favourites from the album. It always makes me feel really happy whenever I hear it.
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Post by: Plasmastrike on May 30, 2010, 05:35:46 PM
40. "Minor Giant Steps" (Paradox Hotel)

The Yes influence is quite prevalent at times with TFK, and this song is one where it is on full display, especially in those gorgeous vocal harmonies.  This song reminds me so much of summer, as Disc 2 of PH was what I always listened to on the way home from college in the summer of '06, and this being the first song on that disc, it always kicked things off.  That was a great summer. :coolio
I just absolutely love this song.  :tup
Completely this, definitely one of my favourites from the album. It always makes me feel really happy whenever I hear it.

I just recently got into the band, and this is one of the songs I keep crawling back to. :biggrin:

*miiiinor giant stepps*
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Post by: KevShmev on May 30, 2010, 08:21:29 PM
Lots of love for "Minor Giant Steps," I see.  Nice. :tup :tup
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Post by: Quadrochosis on May 30, 2010, 10:07:53 PM
Nice to see The Merrygoround, Touch My Heaven and The Road Back Home make your list, all stellar tunes! :tup
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Post by: KevShmev on May 31, 2010, 09:49:59 AM
Yes, they are. :)

30. "The Judas Kiss" (Retropolis)

When I first got into this band, this struck me as being a song that was likely one of the band's signature songs, and it seemed like they played it a lot live back in the 90s, but in the 00s, it barely got played, so I was kind of thrown by that.  Either way, terrific song.  I know it is getting redundant, talking about how great Roine Stolt's guitar work is, but this is another one that stands out in a catalog filled with mostly standout performances, if you know what I mean.

29. "Solitary Shell" (Unfold the Future)

Not that I want the band to overdo this particular kind of song, but I wish they had more songs like this: Roine's voice and a piano as the two main things we hear.  The combination of the two is immediate win.  I am so glad Roine sang this song instead of Froberg; this song would probably register on the map for me if it were the other way around.  Songs like this are why I am such a big fan of Roine's vocals.

28. "Life Will Kill You" (Paradox Hotel)

Hands down, one of the best intros of any TFK song.  The way it builds up, with the dirty electric, the acoustic guitar, and the "aaaaahh"s is just amazing.  Really, the rest of the song had a lot to live up to, given how amazing the intro is, and it mostly lived up to it.  The verses are kind of awkward, but the chorus is good enough, and the music is more than good enough to make this a TFK classic, that intro notwithstanding.

27. "Deaf, Numb & Blind" (Flower Power)

This will sound strange, but when I first bought Flower Power in the summer of '00, I didn't bother listening to anything from Disc 2 until the summer of '01, and when I did, this being the first song, it was like, "Woah, what have I been missing out on?"!  This is the first of three songs from Disc 2 to appear in this top 50, and it is more than deserving of being a top 30 song; it is symphonic prog at its finest.

26. "Monster Within" (Space Revolver)

This is kind of an atypical TFK song - it is somewhat disjointed and the main riff is heavy and nasty - yet it works.  Some of the melodies in this song are the strongest ones on Space Revolver.  The bass line Jonas Reingold plays underneath that main melody (which rules) shortly after the 9-minute mark is rad as hell. "...built this monster from WITHIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNN!" :coolio




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Post by: MetalManiac666 on May 31, 2010, 10:55:25 AM
"Monster Within" might be my favorite song on SR.
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Post by: Quadrochosis on May 31, 2010, 12:51:49 PM
Totally agree of "Life Will Kill You". I'd probably have it in my top 15, it's one of my favorite songs by them!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: cthrubuoy on June 01, 2010, 02:13:35 AM
I've had two album by these for a while but never gave them my full attention. I had 'Adam and Eve' and 'Space Revolver'. I wasn't a massive fan after checking out A&E, in fact I actually disliked them, so shamefully I ignored them and continued my massive obsession with Spock's Beard.

Saturday night I decided to go for it again and try out 'Space Revolver'. I was blown away, literally. I haven't stopped listening to it since! I've just read through this thread so I'll be looking to get some more albums in the very near future.

Oh and please continue this top 50, I'm reading!
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Post by: Quadrochosis on June 01, 2010, 02:19:24 AM
I've had two album by these for a while but never gave them my full attention. I had 'Adam and Eve' and 'Space Revolver'. I wasn't a massive fan after checking out A&E, in fact I actually disliked them, so shamefully I ignored them and continued my massive obsession with Spock's Beard.

Saturday night I decided to go for it again and try out 'Space Revolver'. I was blown away, literally. I haven't stopped listening to it since! I've just read through this thread so I'll be looking to get some more albums in the very near future.

Oh and please continue this top 50, I'm reading!

Definitely go with Stardust We Are, Paradox Hotel, Flower Power and Retropolis next! Glad someone else is getting into them!
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Post by: KevShmev on June 01, 2010, 08:57:10 AM
Yeah, do what Quad said. :tup :tup
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Post by: cthrubuoy on June 01, 2010, 11:23:53 AM
I will! Listening to Space Revolver again at the moment.
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Post by: KevShmev on June 01, 2010, 12:04:31 PM
I will! Listening to Space Revolver again at the moment.

Good to hear! :)

Also, while I like A&E a lot, it was a very slow grower for me, as it was for many other fans, too.  In fact, it was criticized pretty heavily when it first came out (which stung Roine Stolt pretty hard, from what he now says), but many have grown to really like it, myself included.  The gist of it is, focus on other CDs to get into them, and save that one for waaaaaay later.
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Post by: ariich on June 01, 2010, 12:20:13 PM
Space Revolver is amazing, probably the album that has grown on me more than any other FK album (tied with Paradox Hotel) maybe. Just incredible stuff.
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Post by: dedSurroun on June 01, 2010, 03:01:28 PM
31. "Love Supreme" (Adam & Eve)

I thought some of the melodies were a bit too pretty at first, especially the one that opens the song,production job.
Dude, that's like what they do  :lol

TFK = pretty melodies (or at least damn good one's).
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Post by: MetalManiac666 on June 01, 2010, 03:06:47 PM
Flower Power just arrived in the mail! :caffeine:
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: KevShmev on June 01, 2010, 04:56:57 PM
31. "Love Supreme" (Adam & Eve)

I thought some of the melodies were a bit too pretty at first, especially the one that opens the song,production job.
Dude, that's like what they do  :lol

TFK = pretty melodies (or at least damn good one's).

I think I am aware of that. ;)

But there is a difference between music that is beautiful and music that is a bit too pretty.  They on rare occasions cross over into the latter, usually when Froberg is singing over a melody that is on the fence between the two (and his voice takes it over the edge).
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Post by: Quadrochosis on June 01, 2010, 08:08:57 PM
Flower Power just arrived in the mail! :caffeine:

Nice dude! Enjoy "Garden of Dreams", it's their best song.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: KevShmev on June 01, 2010, 08:35:52 PM
25. "Chicken Farmer Song" (Space Revolver)

Talk about a song that is just fun as hell!  This song fits that to a 't.'  This was one of my early favorites when I first got into the band, and it is obviously still a favorite.  I love the way Roine enunciates some of the lines in this song..."drift into the silent summer."  I am a big fan of the way Roine sometimes says the "-er" syllable and that line there is a clear example of what I am talking about.

24. "Monsters and Men" (Paradox Hotel)

It still shocks me that Roine Stolt feels this song didn't up being very good, but he has said that he could have arranged it better, and that certain members of the band didn't like it that much, so it didn't have full support when recording it.  I say, "Hogwash!"  I think it is most excellent the way it is.  I love Tomas Bodin's piano work throughout this song, especially in those big chords he plays near the end before the long guitar-driven outro.  I love that kind of piano work.

23. "Retropolis" (Retropolis)

This is what you call a symphonic prog rock instrumental masterpiece.  It is perfect in every way possible, from the gorgeous keyboard work, to Roine's guitar leads, to the acoustic ending. 

22. "Poor Mr. Rain's Ordinary Guitar"/"The Man Who Walked with Kings" (Stardust We Are)

And look at that: Another great instrumental, albeit a very different one.  I put these two songs together, as it is hard to imagine one without the other.  Some fabulous acoustic guitar work going on here, and that melodic lead that caps off the song just screams of prog.

21. "Rhythm of the Sea" (Retropolis)

I love the distant and cold feel of this song.  The vocals sounds very far away and weary both at the same time.  It sounds like a song you would listen to a cold and snowy day.  Quite a contrast to the "typical" TFK song, but doing different types of songs, and doing them well, has always been a strength of the band's.



Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: Quadrochosis on June 01, 2010, 08:39:23 PM
All of those songs are incredible, and deserve their placement. Well done, Kev
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Post by: KevShmev on June 01, 2010, 08:48:24 PM
:tup :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: ariich on June 02, 2010, 02:02:44 AM
:tup :tup to Monsters and Men. I wasn't aware that the band weren't keen on it, I think it's great!

By the way, if nobody objects then I might have a go at a top 50 after Kev? I haven't done one before but TFK have so much music (and so much great music) that I think it'd be a great place to start. I also get the impression my list will have a fair few differences to Kev's...
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Post by: KevShmev on June 02, 2010, 04:57:52 PM
:tup :tup to Monsters and Men. I wasn't aware that the band weren't keen on it, I think it's great!

IIRC, Roine Stolt recently said on the FK yahoo mailing list that the drummer on that record, Marcus Liliequist, was extremely critical of it during the recording of it, and Roine was disappointed that some of the other band members didn't stick up for it more.  And he has said that he feels like he could have done a better job arranging it.  Personally, I think it is great, too (obviously, given its spot in my top 50 :p). :)

By the way, if nobody objects then I might have a go at a top 50 after Kev? I haven't done one before but TFK have so much music (and so much great music) that I think it'd be a great place to start. I also get the impression my list will have a fair few differences to Kev's...

Have at it.  Mine should be finished by the beginning of next week, so start working on yours now! :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Post by: KevShmev on June 02, 2010, 05:42:06 PM
Time to delve into the top 20!

20. "Driver's Seat" (Adam & Eve)

I love the numerous changes and moods this song weaves through for over 18 minutes.  Some of Zoltan Csörsz's drumming on this song is just sick, the main theme (played by Roine most of the time) is of course just magnificently triumphant, and I like how all three singers are featured at various points in the song.  I am not a big Gildenlow fan, but he does a very nice job on the opening vocal section of the song, and then Froberg and Stolt trade off lead vocals at various points the rest of the way.  On the two TFK albums that had Gildenlow, this was the only song they ever did which prominently featured singing from all three guys, but fortunately it turned out to be a major winner.

19. "Self-Consuming Fire" (Paradox Hotel)

Roine's lead, classical guitar-driven playing is full of all kinds of win, his subdued vocals are a perfect fit for the somewhat dark feel of the song, and Tomas Bodin adds plenty of great textures with lots of mellotron, which is never a bad thing.  All in all, this is another of those mood songs that the band does so well.  

18. "Ghost of the Red Cloud" (Stardust We Are)

This song has almost a whimsical feel to it at times, making it sound like one of those songs that was influenced by old school Genesis, yet it still sounds very original and not derivative at all.  I feel lucky that the only time I saw them, back in late '06, they actually played this.  It was already a favorite of mine, and seeing them knock it out of the park live merely solidified its lofty status in my eyes.

17. "A King's Prayer" (Space Revolver)

The extended guitar solo that closes this song is undoubtedly one of the best three or four solos Roine has ever played; it is just a perfect guitar solo.  The main meat of the song features plenty of wonderful melodies, and the contrast of Roine singing the verses and Froberg singing the choruses is very neat.  And you gotta love the song being closed out with the evil riff from "Monster Within" being revisited.

16. "Different People" (Stardust We Are)

Arguably the most Beatles-esque song in the band's catalog to date, this is one of my favorite TFK songs to sing along to.  All of the fills, decorations, flourishes that are constantly going on throughout this song are just so creative and inventive, it helps turn what is essentially a fairly simple song into so much more.  And the line in the second verse, "I saw them turning to the sky," is one of my favorite single line harmonies Stolt and Froberg have ever done.  I could listen to that line over and over.


Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: The Letter M on June 02, 2010, 05:52:49 PM
That's a great 20-16, Kev! I enjoy "Driver's Seat" a lot, and "A King's Prayer" is just AWESOME. I love the instrumental version of it from the bonus tracks. The SWA tracks are top notch as well!

-Marc.
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Post by: Quadrochosis on June 02, 2010, 07:35:25 PM
Those two SWA songs are some of the better songs I've heard in my life. :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: ariich on June 03, 2010, 01:36:52 AM
19 to 17 get major :tup from me, all such lovely songs!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: ariich on June 03, 2010, 03:39:14 AM
By the way I'm starting to compile my list so I can start it reasonably soon after yours finishes, and I have a quick question about mulitple-track songs: obviously Garden of Dreams should be one song, but what about I Am the Sun?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: cthrubuoy on June 03, 2010, 05:02:24 AM
2 songs I'd say, judging by what Kev said about them not playing them as 1 (IIRC, although I might have just made that up).
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Post by: KevShmev on June 03, 2010, 08:44:21 AM
Like most DT fans consider "In the Presence of Enemies" one song, and Floyd fans consider "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" one song, I consider "I Am the Sun" one song.  Good thing, too, as I would have no idea which one to rank higher. :lol

And thanks for the comments about the songs I listed last night, fellas. :tup :tup
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Post by: cowboymafia on June 03, 2010, 09:03:04 AM
yo homies, check it, two flower kings covers coming at ya

monster within - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGdmJQ5aiyo

if 28 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQznc_3Ogh4

i'll be wagering stardust we are is going to be your number 1 song big kev, but i'm afraid your list fails on account of monster within not being at least top 10. the ending solo is magical, it gives birth to stars and cures terminally ill children
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: KevShmev on June 03, 2010, 12:13:29 PM
You are gonna lose that wager. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: MetalManiac666 on June 03, 2010, 01:40:12 PM
Yeah, after listening to disc 1 of Flower Power last night, I think that I can safely assume that "Garden of Dreams" is Kev's #1 song.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: KevShmev on June 03, 2010, 02:22:10 PM
I wish I could see the looks on all of your faces when you see "Crying Clown" at number 1.  Whoops. :lol :lol



:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: Quadrochosis on June 03, 2010, 11:45:06 PM
I wish I could see the looks on all of your faces when you see "Crying Clown" at number 1.  Whoops. :lol :lol



:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

:lol
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: KevShmev on June 04, 2010, 12:37:51 PM
15. "Blue Planet" (Paradox Hotel)

Gee, what a surprise: another great TFK song centered around Roine's great guitar work, his vocals, and great piano and keyboard work by Tomas Bodin.  Anyone else see a recurring theme here? ;)  Jokes aside, this song freaking rules.  The guitar lead from the end of "Monsters and Men" is reprised here, and in a most majestic and climatic way.

14. "Silent Inferno" (Unfold the Future)

Despite being a prog band, it is rare to listen to a TFK song and think, "These guys are overplaying or showing off," but there are hints of that in this song, especially in both the intro and outro.  But that's okay.  With them, it is every once in a while thing, not something they beat to death, so I don't mind them showing off their chops once in a while.  Roine's guitar solo in the middle of this song is an absolute monster, and some of Jonas Reingold's bass work is simply jaw-dropping.  

13. "Circus Brimstone" (Stardust We Are)

Hands down, the best full band instrumental they have to date.  The many moods, melodies, twists and turns, and quirks of this song all combine to make it one of the best prog rock instrumentals I have ever heard.

12. "Jealousy" (Paradox Hotel)

Yes, I really am putting this song this high.  I love every second of it.  I could listen to Tomas Bodin play stuff on the piano like that all week.  Also, I was interested to recently learn that Roine was inspired to write this song after being stung by a lot of the criticism of TFK's previous record, Adam & Eve.

11. "World of Adventures" (Back in the World of Adventures)

The first song off the first TFK album is one of their best, without a doubt.  This has to go down as one of the best first songs from a first album of all-time.  It is a genuine classic prog epic.  One of my favorite TFK moments ever is the second verse, where Roine is singing over that strumming acoustic guitar while his slide guitar plays some tasty leads in the background.  And the melody in the middle of the song, that eventually closes the song, too, is just glorious.

Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: KevShmev on June 04, 2010, 12:56:42 PM
Also, being on the verge of the top 10, here are some honorable mentions, many of which hurt to leave off:

"In the Eyes of the World"
"Fast Lane"
"Just This Once"
"The Blade of Cain"
"Too Late for Tomatos"
"Compassion"
"Calling Home"
"Astral Dog"
"Theme for a Hero"
"Man of the World"
"Last Minute on Earth"
"Hit Me with a Hit"
"Painter"
And many others
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Post by: Quadrochosis on June 04, 2010, 01:42:53 PM
WoA :metal

also boo for no "Compassion" or "Astral Dog"
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Post by: KevShmev on June 04, 2010, 01:47:05 PM
What do you mean?  Those songs are honorable mentions! :p :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: Quadrochosis on June 04, 2010, 01:50:42 PM
What do you mean?  Those songs are honorable mentions! :p :biggrin:

They should be higher!
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Post by: ariich on June 04, 2010, 03:04:19 PM
And Painter! >:(

Nah this is the point of top 50s, to see how people's opinions on songs vary. Makes it more fun when not everyone agrees. :D

Interesting choices from PH there, both are songs that I really like but not necessarily among my favourites from the album.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: KevShmev on June 05, 2010, 08:39:49 AM
What do you mean?  Those songs are honorable mentions! :p :biggrin:

They should be higher!

I thought you were still working your way through their whole discography?  If so, how can you be sure that those songs would hold up and remain that high? ;) :p

Nah this is the point of top 50s, to see how people's opinions on songs vary. Makes it more fun when not everyone agrees. :D

Exactly. :)

Update:

10. "Stupid Girl" (Flower Power)

This being in the top 10 will shock a few, I am sure, but I have always loved this song like crazy.  TFK don't have many songs you can almost dance to, but this is one of them.  The main part of the song is just killer, and the latter half, with the extended instrumental section, is a great way to end the song, topped off by the wordless vocals at the very end, which basically amounts to humming the main melody of the song at the point of the climax.  Just incredible.

9. "Silent Sorrow" (Retropolis)

This is arguably the most important song in my development as a TFK fan.  I had bought some of their CDs in the summer of 2000, but wasn't really feeling them overall as a band; I liked most of Disc 1 of Flower Power, but Stardust We Are was a huge mountain I was having a tough time climbing, and Retropolis wasn't doing it for me either at first.  Then, one day I put Retropolis on really loud and ended up falling asleep for a bit, and when I woke up, "Silent Sorrow" was just starting and I just laid there, groggy and trying to wake back up, as this song just utterly destroyed me.  Still does, which is why it is number 9.  Also, I think the Zappa influence in Roine's writing sometimes gets overlooked, but the instrumental section is definitely Zappa-esque.

8. "Psycedelic Postcard" (Flower Power)

What a wonderfully bizarre and terrific song this is.  I'll never forget them playing this when a friend and I saw them in late '06, and my friend, noticing me rocking out and singing along, turning to me at one point and saying, "I can't believe you know all of the words to this song." :lol  The lyrics in this song are a major WTF, to say the least, but they just add to the bizarre and fun nature of the song.  The middle section, with those ridiculous harmonies and then Stolt and Froberg doing a call and response section, is easily the highlight of the song.  

I'll do a few more later today...



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Post by: Quadrochosis on June 05, 2010, 08:56:32 AM
All amazing songs! :tup I absolutely LOVE "Stupid Girl"!
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Post by: Quadrochosis on June 05, 2010, 08:57:42 AM
Oh, also, isn't SS on Retropolis? (Memory could just be foggy)
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Post by: KevShmev on June 05, 2010, 09:00:02 AM
Yep, I had a brain cramp when I wrote the album title next to the song title.  D'oh! :facepalm:
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Post by: KevShmev on June 05, 2010, 02:39:44 PM
Two more today:

7. "What If God Is Alone" (Paradox Hotel)

I could serious write a three-page paper, where I break this song down, and talk about each individual part and why they are all so wonderful, from that haunting fade-in, to those hypnotic melodic vocal lines in the verses, to that gorgeous chorus, to that orgasmic outro.  It's all just so, so wonderful!  I should point out, too, that some of my favorite keyboard sounds can be heard in this song, as always played marvelously by Tomas Bodin.

6. "Stardust We Are" (Stardust We Are)

If you want a blueprint for writing a symphonic prog epic, look no further than "Stardust We Are," a song with so much awesomeness, it almost seems too good to be true.  I probably don't have to say much about this song, as anyone who is a fan of the band already, probably is already nutty over this song, and knows what the score is. 

Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: ariich on June 05, 2010, 03:37:32 PM
Only number 6?! ;)
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Post by: The Letter M on June 05, 2010, 05:17:49 PM
Two more today:

7. "What If God Is Alone" (Paradox Hotel)

I could serious write a three-page paper, where I break this song down, and talk about each individual part and why they are all so wonderful, from that haunting fade-in, to those hypnotic melodic vocal lines in the verses, to that gorgeous chorus, to that orgasmic outro.  It's all just so, so wonderful!  I should point out, too, that some of my favorite keyboard sounds can be heard in this song, as always played marvelously by Tomas Bodin.

6. "Stardust We Are" (Stardust We Are)

If you want a blueprint for writing a symphonic prog epic, look no further than "Stardust We Are," a song with so much awesomeness, it almost seems too good to be true.  I probably don't have to say much about this song, as anyone who is a fan of the band already, probably is already nutty over this song, and knows what the score is. 



I love Love LOVE "What If God Is Alone". Probably my second or third favorite song on Paradox Hotel. Is this your highest ranking PH song in your Top 50, Kev?

Also, if "Stardust We Are" is only number 6, the top 5 must be truly epic.

-Marc.
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Post by: Quadrochosis on June 05, 2010, 07:39:20 PM
Honestly, 6 is a good spot for SWA. There's better songs by this band. Good job Kev. :tup
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Post by: KevShmev on June 05, 2010, 11:49:25 PM
Only number 6?! ;)

Actually, it was number 10 on my original rough draft, but I moved songs up and down a few notches as I went along (until I posted them, in which case the songs listed were then locked in at those spots), and it eventually ended up at number 6.  It could have conceivably have fallen out of the top 10, had my mood been slightly different. ;)


I love Love LOVE "What If God Is Alone". Probably my second or third favorite song on Paradox Hotel. Is this your highest ranking PH song in your Top 50, Kev?

No. :)

Also, if "Stardust We Are" is only number 6, the top 5 must be truly epic.

It definitely is. :hat

Good job Kev. :tup

 :coolio
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Post by: KevShmev on June 06, 2010, 09:14:02 AM
Two more right now:

5. "Big Puzzle" (Back in the World of Adventures)

This is one of those TFK songs that most seem to like a lot, but it almost never seems to get talked about, which is a shame, as I feel it is one of their best, obviously, given its placement here at number 5.  To bow down to Roine's vocals yet again :p, I love when he rolls his 'r's, and when he rolls it during the "this puzzle grand" near the end of the song, that gives me goosebumps each and every time I hear it.  This is definitely one of their more laid back epics, featuring some great bluesy guitar work, some cool sax playing, and plenty of great piano and keyboard textures.  Simply put, TFK has never been a band that has to rock to be great, and this song is definitive proof of that.

4. "Devil's Playground" (Unfold the Future)

On the flip side, this song flat-out rocks for much of the way.  The main riff is in a dead heat with "Monster Within" for nastiest TFK riff ever, and the section that kicks in just shy of the 10:30 is so evil, you gotta love it, when it veers from it slightly and then kicks back in (at the 11:39 mark), that is a great dynamic shift.  They could have formed an entire instrumental section around that part of the song, and I would have been thrilled to death with it.  And the ending...too good for words.  I have never been shy about saying that I am not a big fan of Gildenlow's singing, but he nails the end of this song perfectly, and the instrumental outro is perfect, with Roine's lead guitar shining, and Jonas Reingold's bass carving out all kinds of awesomeness.


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Post by: MetalManiac666 on June 06, 2010, 10:44:17 AM
Once again listening to disc 1 of Flower Power.

All I can say is :hefdaddy.
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Post by: KevShmev on June 07, 2010, 08:30:07 PM
Two more:

3. "End on a High Note" (Paradox Hotel)

The first time I heard this song, I knew it was an instant classic, and knew it would be a TFK song that could possibly convert many over.  In fact, I recommended this song to anyone and everyone who would listen.  Even those who weren't fans, I was like, "Check out this song; it will make you a fan!"  That is how hard I fell for it immediately.  And four years later, it is still just as incredible.  To me, it sounds like music you would be listening to when you are waking up first thing in the morning as the sun is rising.  It just has that feeling of light getting brighter, the day starting, rain turning to sunshine, etc.  That might sound corny, but listen to the song, and you will hear what I mean. 

2. "I Am the Sun" (Space Revolver)

Busted up into two parts, Part I opening the CD and Part II closing it, ala Pink Floyd's "Shine On You Crazy Diamond," "I Am the Sun" is one of the most incredible achievements in progressive rock history. 

Part I starts off rather conventionally, with a somewhat extended intro, before busting into verse-chorus-verse-chorus, and then the songs gets a little crazy.  "I left my heart in San Francisco."  Gotta love that quirky little bit being thrown.  The song then delves back into some frantic pacing, and finally ends with an extended, and utterly gorgeous, acoustic-driven section, which features some terrific singing by Roine Stolt and some tasty bass playing by Jonas Reingodl, who was making his debut as TFK's bass player.

Part II begins where Part I left off, with that acoustic fade-out fading back in, leading right into one of the most beautiful sections the band has ever done; it is literally impossible for me to listen to the first few minutes of this song without singing along.  Two great solos, one on the sax, one on the guitar, leads back into the main "I Am the Sun" chorus, before the song finally climaxes for good with a majestic ending worthy of any of their 70s influences. 

All in all, this is nearly 26 minutes of perfection.

Number one is coming shortly, and I am sure fans following this know what it will be, but the write-up won't be short, so I have to get it all nice and ready. :)
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Post by: Quadrochosis on June 07, 2010, 10:40:10 PM
Two amazing songs. This list is phenomenal Kev.

The writeup for GoD better be good! :lol
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: KevShmev on June 07, 2010, 11:13:07 PM
1. "Garden of Dreams" (Flower Power)

Could number 1 be anything but “Garden of Dreams?”  I think not.  It is a shame that this band is not more popular, as this song deserves to be frequently be mentioned in the same breath as other prog classics like “Close to the Edge,” “Supper’s Ready,” “Thick as a Brick,” “2112” and “Shine On You Crazy Diamond,” but such is life.  Fans of the band know what an incredible achievement this entire 18-part, nearly one hour long, song is. 

The opening symphonic prog leanings of “Dawn” immediately led you know that you are in for something special, and the opening vocal section in “Simple Song” is very catchy, and immediately sucks the listener in. 

Up next is arguably the highlight of the entire song: “Business Vamp.”  I adore Tomas Bodin’s keyboard sounds during the first half of the song, all of which is instrumental.  It gives off a vibe like you are watching a movie set in futuristic times.  And when the vocal melodies kick in, it is like heaven.  The chorus to “Business Vamp” is quite possibly my favorite chorus in the entire TFK cannon. 

“All You Can Save” is also one of the best parts of the entire song, and the solo by Roine that closes it is top-notch.  The next two songs, both instrumentals, are dynamite, and both feature those futuristic-sounding keyboards first referred to back on “Business Vamp.”  The mellowness of both “Did I Tell You” and the title section of the song are both very nice amongst the rocking numbers that bookend them.

“Don’t Let the Devil In” is a straight-forward rocker, yet it still has tons of that quirkiness and fun that is so prevalent in the band’s sound.  Quirkiness abounds, too, in “Love Is the Word,” leading into “There’s No Such Night,” with features some spectacular harp samples, along with tremendously melodic vocals, which are spine-chilling in their delivery and timing, amongst the music which makes you feel like you are floating on the clouds.

Many find the next three parts to be not as essential as the rest, but I think “The Mean Machine,” “Dungeon of the Deep” and “Indian Summer” all adds ton of character to the overall package, and is 10 plus minutes of laid back, trippy goodness that lets you swim in the ecstasy of the overall song before they bring it all home with the final four parts.

The three instrumentals “Sunny Lane,” “Gardens Revisited” and “Shadowland” all provide a tremendous build-up to final climax, finally heard in “The Final Deal.”  The final part of the song features some of the finest vocals to ever come out of Roine Stolt’s mouth; the line, “We fight for freedom, sunlight, and all-time bright,” is easily one of my five favorite single vocal lines ever.  And the choir harmonies in the background help give the final movement an even more grandiose feel that it would have already had without it.  We, the listeners, are left exhausted at this point, wondering if what we really just heard was written and performed by humans, as the song gently ends with a fadeout replete with warm keyboards, many different voices, and some perfectly placed guitar and percussion fills.

This is, simply put, not only the perfect Flower Kings song, but one of the most perfect pieces of music ever written by man.  I know I laid the hyperbole on pretty thick here at times, but I think that speaks volumes about how much I adore this entire song.  It is musical perfection.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: cthrubuoy on June 08, 2010, 04:45:30 AM
Number 2 would be my number 1, but only because I haven't given myself an hour to listen to Garden of Dreams yet. But seeing as it's your number 1, I'll make the time.
Good list, and thank you for introducing me to this awesome band :)
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Post by: ariich on June 08, 2010, 09:52:38 AM
Great stuff Kev! And yeah, no surprises about your number 1 really :lol Totally agree with you about Don't Let the Devil In, what an awesomely rocking bit of music!

I'm still putting my top 50 together, but I'll hopefully be good to start by the weekend.
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Post by: KevShmev on June 08, 2010, 01:23:25 PM

Good list, and thank you for introducing me to this awesome band :)

Thanks, and no problem!  I always love seeing this band get new fans! :tup :tup

I'm still putting my top 50 together, but I'll hopefully be good to start by the weekend.

Cool. :coolio
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Post by: dedSurroun on June 08, 2010, 03:30:19 PM
4. "Devil's Playground" (Unfold the Future)

On the flip side, this song flat-out rocks for much of the way.  The main riff is in a dead heat with "Monster Within" for nastiest TFK riff ever, and the section that kicks in just shy of the 10:30 is so evil, you gotta love it, when it veers from it slightly and then kicks back in (at the 11:39 mark), that is a great dynamic shift.  They could have formed an entire instrumental section around that part of the song, and I would have been thrilled to death with it.  And the ending...too good for words.  I have never been shy about saying that I am not a big fan of Gildenlow's singing, but he nails the end of this song perfectly, and the instrumental outro is perfect, with Roine's lead guitar shining, and Jonas Reingold's bass carving out all kinds of awesomeness.
:tdwn

I'll give you a pass for a lot of other songs on this list, but to place this as high as #4? Wow. Sorry! Not a good choice. It's one of their weakest epics/song.

Other than that, a good list. Naturally, I disagree with a lot but it was a great read - good job!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: ariich on June 08, 2010, 03:49:37 PM
I also wouldn't place it as high as Kev did, but it has some great stuff in it!
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Post by: MetalManiac666 on June 08, 2010, 07:19:56 PM
"Garden of Dreams" truly is a masterpiece.  It might be my favorite prog epic ever!
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Post by: cthrubuoy on June 09, 2010, 02:04:30 AM
I checked it out last night.
I was not dissapointed.

Now I have to find another spare hour to listen to it again!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: The Letter M on June 09, 2010, 08:38:15 AM
Very nice list, Kev! I was looking at your list as a whole, and noticed a couple of things:
-You had no songs from The Sum Of No Evil whatsoever... was this a conscious effort? Or do you truly not like ANY song from that album?
-Every album you did represent in the Top 50 had songs in the Top 10 except Adam & Eve and The Rainmaker, which, to many fans, are their weaker albums, particularly being 1-disc albums surrounded by such greater albums (two being 2-disc albums).
-In just sheer number of songs, Paradox Hotel had the most in your Top 50, with 11 out of the album's 19 songs.
-In ratio to an album's total length, the most-included album here is Retropolis, with 7/11 songs (57:39/69:16) at 83% of the album. The least-included album is The Rainmaker at 18% (13:54/76:52). Here's the complete list of percentage of albums, most to least:
Retropolis - 83%
Space Revolver - 76%
Paradox Hotel - 71%
Stardust We Are - 61%
Flower Power - 61%
Unfold The Future - 60%
Adam & Eve - 58%
Back In The World Of Adventures - 42%
The Rainmaker - 18%
The Sum Of No Evil - 0%

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: KevShmev on June 09, 2010, 09:23:05 AM
Wow, those are some interesting numbers.  Even I wouldn't have taken the time to figure all of that stuff out. ;)

I did not make a conscious effort to not include anything from TSONE; I just didn't feel any of the songs were good enough to make the top 50 (or the honorable mentions :p).  Except for the super boring "One More Time," I like all of the songs on that record, but I don't love any of them.

Interesting that 7 of the 10 albums had a song in the top 10; that was definitely not done on purpose.

Also, dedSurroun, "Devil's Playground" is awesome. :hat
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: cthrubuoy on June 09, 2010, 09:23:53 AM
Very nice list, Kev! I was looking at your list as a whole, and noticed a couple of things:
-You had no songs from The Sum Of No Evil whatsoever... was this a conscious effort? Or do you truly not like ANY song from that album?
-Every album you did represent in the Top 50 had songs in the Top 10 except Adam & Eve and The Rainmaker, which, to many fans, are their weaker albums, particularly being 1-disc albums surrounded by such greater albums (two being 2-disc albums).
-In just sheer number of songs, Paradox Hotel had the most in your Top 50, with 11 out of the albums 19 songs.
-In ratio to an album's total length, the most-included album here is Retropolis, with 7/11 songs (57:39/69:16) at 83% of the album. The least-included album is The Rainmaker at 18% (13:54/76:52). Here's the complete list of percentage of albums, most to least:
Retropolis - 83%
Space Revolver - 76%
Paradox Hotel - 71%
Stardust We Are - 61%
Flower Power - 61%
Unfold The Future - 60%
Adam & Eve - 58%
Back In The World Of Adventures - 42%
The Rainmaker - 18%
The Sum Of No Evil - 0%

-Marc.

That's quite interesting actually. Would be even more interesting if you could implement a weighting system for each song dependent on where it's placed in the top 50 and see where the albums then place. I'd do this, but I'm in work so it's a bit difficult
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Post by: The Letter M on June 09, 2010, 09:45:57 AM
I'm not sure how to go about implementing a weighing system on this, so I'll leave that to you! :)

Also, adding the times of albums in your Top 50, you used 55.6549% (554:01 / 995:27, TSONE being 0% or 00:00/74:52) of the band's officially, regularly released, studio material in your Top 50, which is 9 hours, 14 minutes, 27 seconds of music... how many band's Top 50 songs would last over 9 hours?  :lol

I bet doing a Top 100 would take up the rest of the band's material, and maybe some of their rare, bonus-disc stuff as well... but that would be QUITE the daunting task to do.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: cthrubuoy on June 09, 2010, 10:12:51 AM
I'm not sure how to go about implementing a weighing system on this

I was thinking something simlpe like Number 1 gets 50 points, number 2 gets 49, etc
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: The Letter M on June 09, 2010, 10:52:20 AM
I'm not sure how to go about implementing a weighing system on this

I was thinking something simlpe like Number 1 gets 50 points, number 2 gets 49, etc

Oh, using that, then, here are the numbers (which are quite interesting compared to the other numbers I posted):
Paradox Hotel: 300 pts
Stardust We Are: 206 pts
Retropolis: 167 pts
Flower Power: 158 pts
Space Revovler: 149 pts
Unfold The Future: 129 pts
Back In The World Of Adventures: 89 pts
Adam & Eve:55 pts
The Raimkaker: 22 pts
The Sum Of No Evil: 0 pts

I guess with the sheer number of songs in the Top 50 from PH, it was bound to get weighted a lot, with 11/50 songs being from this album, it tops out at a hefty 300 points! It also helped that it had 5 songs in the top 20, meaning a quarter of the top 20 is music from PH!!! I wonder if it's Kev's favorite album  ;)

As one might predict, The Rainmaker and Adam & Eve are at the bottom, and the band's more popular albums are in the middle-to-high spots.

-Marc.
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Post by: KevShmev on June 09, 2010, 11:56:10 AM
Flower Power and Paradox Hotel are constantly fighting it out for the number 1 spot.

And actually, The Sum of No Evil as is at the bottom...where it should be. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50 countdown now going!)
Post by: ariich on June 11, 2010, 05:29:21 PM
Ok, so I think it's about time I make a start on my top 50! Expect some similarities to Kev's and some pretty major differences as well. :)

50. The Merrygoround (Stardust We Are)
While there isn’t necessarily anything particularly special about this song, I think it’s one that perfectly exemplifies The Flower Kings’ ability to write really nice, upbeat, happy tunes, which is something often avoided in prog music these days. The first half is catchy, fun music that always puts a smile on my face, and the second half is gorgeous and clearly Pink Floyd inspired. Excellent guitar solo as well.

49. The Navigator (Unfold the Future)
Starting a bit of a trend here, but again this is just a lovely tune. TFK are known for their monstrous epics, but they really are masters of the short simple songs too, and this is a great example. The keyboard sounds really give this song a soft atmosphere.

48. Cosmic Circus (Adam & Eve)
Bit of nice classic prog in this song. As with The Merrygoround, there’s nothing necessarily special about this song, but it has a nice, upbeat feel, and a catchy and memorable chorus. I think my like of it is also aided by the fact that it gets Adam & Eve back on track after a decent but slightly underwhelming opener. 

47. World of Adventures (Back in the World of Adventures)
What a fab way to kick off their first album (not including the original Roine Stolt one of course). This song has a bit of everything in it: pretty melodies, dramatic sections, great playing, nice vocal harmonies, and a bit of that quirkiness that has always been such an integral part of their sound. Classic prog in every sense. 

46. Just This Once (Stardust We Are)
Possibly a surprise entry this one, but I have a real soft spot for it. It’s a quirky song, that’s just… so Flower Kings! The first time I heard it was a bit “wtf” moment, particularly the intro, but I was new to TFK back then so didn’t really know what to expect. Now it’s an important part of one of my favourite ever albums.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: KevShmev on June 11, 2010, 10:49:48 PM
Interesting choices.

I like "The Navigator" a lot; it is like "Solitary Shell"'s brother, as they intentionally share the same vocal melody, but have different music.  I prefer SS, but TN is aces, too.

The beginning of "Just This Once" was a major WTF the first time I heard it, too. :lol  I still think it is a bit too out there, but the rest of the song is great.  That big guitar chord Roine hits when he starts singing the chorus after the second verse is so money.

I cannot listen to "Cosmic Circus" w/o thinking of how much Froberg sounds like Justin Hayward during the verses, especially when he sings the line, "...and forced the world to make some sense."
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: cthrubuoy on June 12, 2010, 02:15:04 AM
What's up with the Ping-Pong type sound at the start of a few albums?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: ariich on June 12, 2010, 04:22:27 AM
It's just Retropolis and Paradox Hotel isn't it?

The beginning of "Just This Once" was a major WTF the first time I heard it, too. :lol  I still think it is a bit too out there, but the rest of the song is great.  That big guitar chord Roine hits when he starts singing the chorus after the second verse is so money.
Definitely! I also really like the jazzy clean guitar solo.

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I cannot listen to "Cosmic Circus" w/o thinking of how much Froberg sounds like Justin Hayward during the verses, especially when he sings the line, "...and forced the world to make some sense."
:lol Hadn't noticed that, but I'll listen out for it next time I hear the song.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: ariich on June 14, 2010, 12:41:01 PM
Ok, next batch:

45. The Truth Will Set You Free (Unfold the Future)
This song tends to make me feel quite ambivalent. The open and close of the song are both wonderful, but it meanders a bit in between. In the first half of the song, the instrumental segments are excellent and the verses are great. The chorus is pleasant but a little underwhelming, and the big instrumental section later on just drags a little, although it’s rather made up for by the last few minutes of the song. It’s very good, but there’s a bit too much filler in it. Although the one thing I always notice when I hear it is how nice the bass work is throughout.

44. Rhythm Of The Sea (Retropolis)
A really nice song this one, it’s fairly short and simple but there’s a lot to like in it. The general mood is lovely, the chorus is great, and my favourite of all is the snyth lines that lead into the choruses.

43. Circus Brimstone (Stardust We Are)
And so to the first instrumental we come across in this listing! I love the way the first 2 minutes or so build up gradually but relentlessly, until finally the song really gets going. Lots of unsettling rhythms, excellent playing all round, and eerie melodies and keyboard sounds. And then suddenly without any jarring change, the track is full of pretty melodies. I think the song is slightly longer than it really needs to be, but the moods change enough that it never really gets boring. And who doesn’t love the bizarre quirky wtf moments in the middle of the song?

42. Chicken Farmer Song (Space Revolver)
What a fun little song this is! When it starts, the verses sound sweet but aren’t particularly exciting, but once the chorus kicks in, it turns into a really nice upbeat tune. That said, it probably wouldn’t rank so highly for me if it weren’t for the instrumental section with the guitar solo, which is just really groovy and… well, cool.

41. Last Minute On Earth (The Rainmaker)
I’ve always really liked this song, and I think it’s a great way to open the album. Nice riffs, catchy melodies, and fantastic vocals. Actually it really is the vocals that stand out for me in this song, they really give it a powerful feeling, particularly in the last chorus towards the end of the song. The very end is really weird, but I don’t really consider that part of the song.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: Plasmastrike on June 25, 2010, 10:50:28 AM
Ariich died. Nah just playing. Top 50 is just such a vast list to follow let alone construct, especially TFK. I like reading these descriptions from yall because I'm new to the band, and let's face it they have so much material to become familiar with.

Anyway, the point of my post.

Bavarian Skies. Weirdest song. Does anyone have any information behind this song?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: ariich on June 25, 2010, 06:07:48 PM
:lol Oh damn, nobody responded so I thought I'd leave it a few days, and then I got busy with work and forgot! :facepalm: I'll do the next five tomorrow.

And regarding Bavarian Skies, it is a bizarre song, but I absolutely love its mellow eerie feel. Don't really know much about it though; Kev being the resident TFK expert may know something...
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: Plasmastrike on July 04, 2010, 11:11:26 PM
Listening to Adam & Eve for the second time. This is much better than I remembered! Onto track three..
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: KevShmev on July 05, 2010, 08:52:50 AM
A&E is definitely a grower; it took me quite a while to really appreciate most of it.  

As for "Bavarian Skies," someone else asked that at one point in this thread and I gave an answer then.  It is somewhere in this thread. ;) :lol :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: cthrubuoy on July 06, 2010, 02:08:18 AM
I think my No.1 Flower Kings song is between 'Silent Sorrow' and 'I am the Sun Pt. 1'.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: Zydar on July 25, 2010, 02:56:08 AM
Mini-bump

Is Space Revolver a good place for a TFK newbie to start?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: The Letter M on July 25, 2010, 01:11:46 PM
Mini-bump

Is Space Revolver a good place for a TFK newbie to start?

I would say YES! It was one of the first albums I bought, and it is often considered one of their best albums. It's the first album to feature current bassist Jonas Reingold and his playing is pretty phenomenal.

After Space Revolver, I would suggest Stardust We Are, but it's a 2-disc set and is a lot to digest, but if you're up to it, it's also a good album to get for a newbie. The first two albums are pretty good too, not to mention Roine Stolt's solo album, The Flower King, which is a precursor to the band. Stardust We Are is very symphonic but not entirely so. It's got some great songs and cool little interludes, as well as some fantastic playing and wonderful melodies... oh, and the title track is just so EPIC in every sense of the word.

I will also suggest Unfold The Future, which features then-new drummer Zoltan Csörsz, and his playing offers some great fast-paced jazz-fusion to the band as this album has a more improvisational sound in some areas, but also has some great epics and some great songs as well. Definitely one of my top 3 TFK albums!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: KevShmev on July 26, 2010, 08:55:20 AM
Is Space Revolver a good place for a TFK newbie to start?

Absolutely. :)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: Zydar on July 26, 2010, 08:58:07 AM
Thanks guys :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: Cyglade on August 04, 2010, 05:25:10 AM
I recently got into this band by reading this thread and I've got to say that I think this band is incredible. My first album was Flower Power, then I moved on to Stardust We Are, Paradox Hotel, Space Revolver, and Adam & Eve in that order. I've yet to hear the other albums but I'm sure that they would be pretty awesome as well.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: KevShmev on August 04, 2010, 08:14:35 AM
That is great to hear. :tup :tup

Keep us posted as to your progress on the other albums (when you get them). :)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: ZBomber on August 13, 2010, 10:57:44 PM
So Quad just showed me Flower Power. Amazing record!
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Post by: Quadrochosis on August 13, 2010, 11:05:17 PM
Yea it's deff a winner :metal
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: KevShmev on August 14, 2010, 10:01:33 AM
So Quad just showed me Flower Power. Amazing record!

 :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: The Letter M on September 21, 2010, 12:28:13 AM
So I just got Hasse Froberg & The Musical Companion's debut release, Future Past. It's an amazing journey that shows what Hasse can really do by himself, and much of it has that TFK flavor, but a lot of it really stands apart from his work with Roine and company.

Listening through the album once today made me realize that even though TFK haven't put out any new material in nearly 3 years, their members still have in them that signature TFK sound.

I'm looking forward to getting my pre-order of Agents Of Mercy's DramaRama in, and spinning that a lot... also on the horizon should be Tomas Bodin's/Eggs & Dogs' next album, He She It Is, the third part (following You Are and I Am before that)... oh, as well as the next Karmakanic record, which Jonas had said he'll start writing around year's end!

And as usual, Roine has a couple different projects down the pipeline, but I wouldn't mind seeing him do another Transatlantic album if Neal so wishes to play with them again so soon (I think scheduling would be easier next year with Mike not being committed to DT, although Pete has the Marillion Weekends to gear up for).

Back to my original point - anyone else here get the HFMC album yet? If not, I highly suggest it if you enjoy TFK. You can get it from Reingold Records, Jonas' own website/store.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: KevShmev on September 21, 2010, 12:34:19 PM
Considering I am not always that fond of Froberg's voice, I don't have much interest in hearing that.

I have zero interest in the new Agents of Mercy CD.  I can't stand the main singer's voice on the first one, and I am pretty he is the lead singer on this new one, too, so yeah, blech. :p

I wouldn't mind a new Karmakanic record, but ultimately, give me new TFK or TA! :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 23, 2010, 02:05:34 PM
Since i'm the only Flower Kings fan here in NM, I have Unfold The Future, and my fav. song is Rollin' The Dice, or so I thought I was the only fan. This one chick requested me on Myspace, so we talked for a bit and decided to meet up and chill. While we were chilling I found we had a ton in common, she likes all kinds of music doesn't matter what. While we were at my pad, I told her to pick a cd to play from my list of cd's. She saw The Flower Kings - Unfold The Future discs and then said "You like Flower Kings?" Both of us got really excited as we thought we were the only fans of them. Needless to say, we kicked it, listened to the second disc. And That is my awesome story I had to tell about discovering a Flower Kings fan. Honestly I am the only on here, other than her, who has ever heard of Flower Kings. Just made my night.

Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: KevShmev on September 25, 2010, 09:38:45 AM
Since i'm the only Flower Kings fan here in NM, I have Unfold The Future, and my fav. song is Rollin' The Dice, or so I thought I was the only fan. This one chick requested me on Myspace, so we talked for a bit and decided to meet up and chill. While we were chilling I found we had a ton in common, she likes all kinds of music doesn't matter what. While we were at my pad, I told her to pick a cd to play from my list of cd's. She saw The Flower Kings - Unfold The Future discs and then said "You like Flower Kings?" Both of us got really excited as we thought we were the only fans of them. Needless to say, we kicked it, listened to the second disc. And That is my awesome story I had to tell about discovering a Flower Kings fan. Honestly I am the only on here, other than her, who has ever heard of Flower Kings. Just made my night.

That is awesome. :hat
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: KevShmev on November 02, 2010, 12:15:07 PM
Still working on your top 40 there, ariich? :p

Anyway, I was reading some of the FK yahoo mailing list the other day, and apparently all is not happy and well.  Some drama and crap that went on behind the scenes has come out - Roine expressing his displeasure with the original drummer's attitude (not his playing), Roine's brother, their original bass player, Michael and Roine almost getting into a little tiff over the way Michael left the band, Roine and Tomas Bodin disagreeing over certain things that went on and not always in the friendliest manner, and the feeling that Roine is just tired of dealing with all of it, at least for now. 

Plus, and this is a damn shame, Roine outright said last week that he has really been stung by some of the criticism of his vocals over the years (PEOPLE ARE IDIOTS), which is why he is content to not sing as much anymore, as he said he has no problem just being the guitar player behind lead vocalists like Neal Morse and whoever that guy is who sings for Angels of Mercy. 

Honestly, I don't see anything new forthcoming from The Flower Kings any time soon, and would not be surprised if they were finished for good.

All in all,  :( :( :(.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: The Letter M on November 02, 2010, 12:49:39 PM
Still working on your top 40 there, ariich? :p

Anyway, I was reading some of the FK yahoo mailing list the other day, and apparently all is not happy and well.  Some drama and crap that went on behind the scenes has come out - Roine expressing his displeasure with the original drummer's attitude (not his playing), Roine's brother, their original bass player, Michael and Roine almost getting into a little tiff over the way Michael left the band, Roine and Tomas Bodin disagreeing over certain things that went on and not always in the friendliest manner, and the feeling that Roine is just tired of dealing with all of it, at least for now. 

Plus, and this is a damn shame, Roine outright said last week that he has really been stung by some of the criticism of his vocals over the years (PEOPLE ARE IDIOTS), which is why he is content to not sing as much anymore, as he said he has no problem just being the guitar player behind lead vocalists like Neal Morse and whoever that guy is who sings for Angels of Mercy. 

Honestly, I don't see anything new forthcoming from The Flower Kings any time soon, and would not be surprised if they were finished for good.

All in all,  :( :( :(.

Like you, I've been following this drama over recent months, mostly through the TFK message board. It's a damn shame that all of this is going down, but at very least I am happy that TFK's main players are keeping busy with their solo and side projects. Agents Of Mercy is pretty good, although Nad's voice does take some getting used to; Hasse's Musical Companion is a great band, and their first album is amazing and I hope he makes another next year; Eggs & Dogs had a great showing with YOU ARE, so I greatly look forward to HE SHE IT IS to finish Tomas' long-planned trilogy; and Jonas is working on the 4th Karmakanic album for sometime next year.

I also find it interesting that Tomas is now working with Michael Stolt in Eggs & Dogs, and much of the tension that Roine has seems to be with Tomas, Jaime, and Michael. I also find it interesting that when Roine left The Tangent, Zoltan did as well, and who'd they get to replace him? Jaime. Coincidence? Only they know...

It's a BIG family, these Flower Kings, and getting them to come together again might take awhile, if ever, but I'm glad they have such an amazing catalog from 94-07, nearly 20 hours of music, in addition to tons of solo albums and side projects. As much as it pains me, I might alright with TFK being done... only if it meant more Transatlantic, Karmakanic, and Eggs & Dogs.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: KevShmev on November 02, 2010, 12:56:42 PM
I was talking to a friend the other day about this and said something similar: if the band is finished, at least they gave us a ton of great music in a pretty short time span.  Hard to argue with that. 

I wish I could get into Agents of Mercy, but I don't like that guy's voice at all, so as a result, I have no interest in checking out their second album, which I believe just came out.

I haven't heard Hasse's record, but I have always been pretty outspoken about his voice being somewhat hit or miss for me, so I am not that excited to check it out. 

I'd definitely be all about a new Karmakanic record.

I need to check out this Eggs and Dogs stuff.  I have one of Bodin's solo albums from years ago, Pinup Guru, but it is just okay, so maybe that is why I haven't been overly eager to check out this new stuff.  I assume you would recommend it?  :)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: The Letter M on November 02, 2010, 01:13:24 PM
I need to check out this Eggs and Dogs stuff.  I have one of Bodin's solo albums from years ago, Pinup Guru, but it is just okay, so maybe that is why I haven't been overly eager to check out this new stuff.  I assume you would recommend it?  :)

It is definitely one of his best albums, next to I AM, which if you haven't checked it out yet, you seriously should!

As for Eggs & Dogs, you have Marcus (who is really an underrated drummer and his work with TFK and related projects is astounding) on drums, Michael on bass and vocals, and of course Tomas on keys, along with Jocke JJ Marsh on guitars.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: dedSurroun on November 02, 2010, 03:45:05 PM
I, too, hope they re-group and record something again BUT without Bodin and in with Zoltan.

I just got so tired of Bodin's keys the past few albums. Same patches (like the choir one from Genesis days), same circus music (even worse than Rudess) antics, and so on. I would be very happy if he didn't play with the Kings again.

Zoltan? Dude, their best drummer. Holy. Fucking. Shit. Bring him back. Hell, I just hope he's busy playing music (and if he is, I wish I knew what!!) because the guy is amazing.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: The Letter M on November 02, 2010, 04:01:59 PM
I, too, hope they re-group and record something again BUT without Bodin and in with Zoltan.

I just got so tired of Bodin's keys the past few albums. Same patches (like the choir one from Genesis days), same circus music (even worse than Rudess) antics, and so on. I would be very happy if he didn't play with the Kings again.

Zoltan? Dude, their best drummer. Holy. Fucking. Shit. Bring him back. Hell, I just hope he's busy playing music (and if he is, I wish I knew what!!) because the guy is amazing.

Last I heard, Zoltan is still playing with Jonas on Karmakanic albums, so if there's a release next year, expect to see him on it. The last Karmakanic album was pretty good too, Who's The Boss in The Factory. Zoltan also played on Roine's and Jonas's 2009 project 3rd World Electric, as well as the first Agents of Mercy album. I mean, if you look at it, Roine's been playing with BOTH Jonas and Zoltan in recent years, but not Tomas, who continues to play with ex-TFK members Michael Stolt and Marcus Liliequist.

And I dunno if I could accept TFK without Tomas. He's been there the longest next to Roine, and to me, TFK is at VERY least Roine + Tomas. They've had different bassists and drummers over the years, but those two have been together since the beginning, so to me, they're like the Rutherford/Banks or Anderson/Squire of their band, so I can't really imagine them without each other in TFK.

However, if Roine decided to carry on TFK without Tomas, I would accept it ONLY IF Zoltan returned to drum - the duo of Zoltan and Jonas is one of the GREATEST rhythm sections in modern prog, and I'm sure a lot of fans would agree. They're tight and have an amazing sound and sense of rhythm together, and I'm glad they continue to play together in Karmakanic.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: KevShmev on November 02, 2010, 10:27:03 PM
I also can't imagine TFK without Bodin, but I think if Roine gives it another go, he, Froberg and Reingold are probably givens, and then it comes down to Zoltan or Bodin.  He probably can't have both, because the two of them didn't get along at all, which is why Zoltan bit the dust again following the last album.  My gut tells me Roine thinks that TFK without Bodin seems impossible, but doesn't want to have to endure any more drummers; he wants Zoltan in the band.  Should be interesting to see how it pans out, if they do in fact ever record again.

I'll have to check out that Eggs and Dogs disc, Marc. :)

Also, while we are talking side projects or other bands, Kaipa's Keyholder deserves a lot of love.  What a fantastic record. :hat

Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: The Letter M on November 03, 2010, 09:03:34 AM
I also can't imagine TFK without Bodin, but I think if Roine gives it another go, he, Froberg and Reingold are probably givens, and then it comes down to Zoltan or Bodin.  He probably can't have both, because the two of them didn't get along at all, which is why Zoltan bit the dust again following the last album.  My gut tells me Roine thinks that TFK without Bodin seems impossible, but doesn't want to have to endure any more drummers; he wants Zoltan in the band.  Should be interesting to see how it pans out, if they do in fact ever record again.

I'll have to check out that Eggs and Dogs disc, Marc. :)

Also, while we are talking side projects or other bands, Kaipa's Keyholder deserves a lot of love.  What a fantastic record. :hat



You won't regret it, Kev! :tup

As for TFK, I really do see Roine just going ahead with Hasse, Jonas, and Zoltan and quietly letting Tomas go... but I would hope that since Roine has BEEN playing with Jonas and Zoltan on various recent side-projects that he'd be willing to play with a different drummer in TFK for another album (or two) just to keep Tomas in the band. As I said, Roine/Tomas, to me, are the heart of TFK - Roine's writing and guitar and vocals along with Tomas' amazing keyboard work form, what is to me, the heart and soul of the band. I might even go so much as to say they could probably even carry on without Jonas too, but there's never been any problem with him and the others AFAIK.

Either way, I still look forward to whatever these guys have to put out, be it with TFK or not. And as for Kaipa, definitely good stuff. I haven't spun them lately, but I do recall enjoying the first two "Modern" Kaipa albums a lot. Has anyone heard the last one, In The Wake Of Evolution? I know Roine isn't on it, but it's still really good!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: KevShmev on November 03, 2010, 11:55:29 PM
As awesome as Zoltan is, I don't think he makes a significant difference, only because the songwriting is what matters the most.  To explain that, he is the only drummer TFK have had where I can listen to his playing and really notice it on a regular basis, but on the other hand, two of the three TFK albums he has played on are two of my three least favorite records (A&E and TSONE) and the other (UTF) is middle of the pack.  
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: Plasmastrike on November 12, 2010, 01:01:16 PM
Never has a band moved up my "favorites" list so quickly. I love these guys so much. Not an album I don't enjoy.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: KevShmev on November 12, 2010, 01:24:52 PM
 :hat
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: The Letter M on January 11, 2011, 09:32:53 PM
Resurrection!

Just wanted to say that Roine is currently working on the 2007 show that was supposed to be released on DVD way-back-when, and has gone back to it with "fresh ears" and plans to release this show (with Pat Mastetlotto on drums) sometime this Spring.

Also in TFK-related news, Roine is working on the third Agents Of Mercy album, also planned to be released this Spring.

Hasse is apparently in the studio with his band working on music for the follow-up to Future Past and had said he won't give any details or specifics yet, since it's still all up in the air, but has wanted to let us know he IS working on HFMC's second album!

Jonas is also working on the next Karmakanic album with the usual suspects, but without Zoltan this go around. Instead, he's employed the drumming of former TFK-member Marcus Liliequist! It seems there has been some tension between Zoltan and his former TFK bandmates and has decided to not work with Jonas this go around (nor Roine apparently). It'll be interesting to hear Jonas and Marcus together again (first time since Tomas' I AM, I believe).

It is my hopes that having Marcus play in BOTH Tomas Bodin's Eggs & Dogs band AND Jonas Reingold's Karmakanic will reignite the spark for Tomas and Jonas to approach Roine and reunite The Flower Kings once more, and with Marcus behind the drums. I think he deserves another chance on another album as I love his playing on EVERY TFK and TFK-related release!

Either way, it's nice to look forward to MOST of TFK recording/releasing music this year. I'm hoping Tomas makes an announcement for Eggs & Dogs' next album, the final part of his Trilogy that started with I AM and YOU ARE - HE SHE IT IS. I loved the last album and it was great to hear Marcus and Michael (Stolt) play together.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: Nick on January 11, 2011, 09:43:46 PM
Unfortunately none of this news really hits home for me except for the part about Karmamanic, who are amazing.

The Flower Kings very much disappointed me with The Sum of No Evil, and so a DVD from that tour doesn't really excite me and I haven't been too worried about the next Flower Kings album due to it either. It would be one thing if the musicians weren't keeping busy, but more Karmakanic is more than enough trade-off for me to keep TFK on hold.

As for Agents of Mercy, the debut was alright, nothing great and so I never bothered with the 2nd and probably won't with the third unless I hear some very good reviews.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: KevShmev on January 11, 2011, 11:24:44 PM
Another Agents of Mercy CD already?  Dang.  I really wish I could get into them, since Roine is obviously keen on that project, but the main singer's voice I find to be way too annoying.  Bummer, as I usually eat just about everything Roine does up with a spoon. :lol

Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: The Letter M on January 11, 2011, 11:27:40 PM
Another Agents of Mercy CD already?  Dang.  I really wish I could get into them, since Roine is obviously keen on that project, but the main singer's voice I find to be way too annoying.  Bummer, as I usually eat just about everything Roine does up with a spoon. :lol



I'm not too keen on Nad either, and his voice DOES take some getting used to, but the music is AMAZING and I applaud Roine for putting something out that's a bit different. Hopefully whatever else Roine decides to do this year, it involves HIM singing (if any singing is to be involved, that is).

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: darkshade on January 12, 2011, 02:43:10 PM
ive been on a Flower Kings/Karmakanic kick lately, and i love it. IMO, there is nothing wrong with Roine's voice, he reminds me of John Wetton at times. Im also surprised he's taken criticism about his voice to heart. On The Whirlwind, i think his voice sounds better than it did before.

Otherwise, enjoying Stardust We Are and Karmakanic's Who's The Boss In The Factory.

I also own Space Revolver and The Sum of No Evil by TFK. Im trying to figure out which album to check out next. Flower Power sounds cool, especially with GoD. But i also enjoy SR for it's jazzy overtones, so i also want to check out Unfold the Future.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: The Letter M on January 12, 2011, 02:49:56 PM
ive been on a Flower Kings/Karmakanic kick lately, and i love it. IMO, there is nothing wrong with Roine's voice, he reminds me of John Wetton at times. Im also surprised he's taken criticism about his voice to heart. On The Whirlwind, i think his voice sounds better than it did before.

Otherwise, enjoying Stardust We Are and Karmakanic's Who's The Boss In The Factory.

I also own Space Revolver and The Sum of No Evil by TFK. Im trying to figure out which album to check out next. Flower Power sounds cool, especially with GoD. But i also enjoy SR for it's jazzy overtones, so i also want to check out Unfold the Future.

Thoughts?

If you're like any of us other TFK-fans, you'll eventually end up with ALL of TFK's albums. However, both Flower Power and Unfold The Future are very lengthy albums, and for me, both took awhile to get into. Of their four double-albums, only Stardust We Are was "love at first sight" - the other three took a bit more time for me to discovering and enjoy in their entireties.

See if you can get both - there are fairly priced on places like Amazon or even eBay. If you can, treat yourself to the Special Edition of UTF as it has a bonus track at the end of the album, one of their jazzy improvisations!

If you don't want to spend so much on TWO double-albums, maybe seek out the live album Meet The Flower Kings, which features a couple epics from UTF, as well as an abridged version of FP's epic "Garden Of Dreams", as well as an amazing (and complete) version of "Stardust We Are"!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: darkshade on January 12, 2011, 03:11:37 PM
ive been on a Flower Kings/Karmakanic kick lately, and i love it. IMO, there is nothing wrong with Roine's voice, he reminds me of John Wetton at times. Im also surprised he's taken criticism about his voice to heart. On The Whirlwind, i think his voice sounds better than it did before.

Otherwise, enjoying Stardust We Are and Karmakanic's Who's The Boss In The Factory.

I also own Space Revolver and The Sum of No Evil by TFK. Im trying to figure out which album to check out next. Flower Power sounds cool, especially with GoD. But i also enjoy SR for it's jazzy overtones, so i also want to check out Unfold the Future.

Thoughts?

If you're like any of us other TFK-fans, you'll eventually end up with ALL of TFK's albums. However, both Flower Power and Unfold The Future are very lengthy albums, and for me, both took awhile to get into. Of their four double-albums, only Stardust We Are was "love at first sight" - the other three took a bit more time for me to discovering and enjoy in their entireties.

See if you can get both - there are fairly priced on places like Amazon or even eBay. If you can, treat yourself to the Special Edition of UTF as it has a bonus track at the end of the album, one of their jazzy improvisations!

If you don't want to spend so much on TWO double-albums, maybe seek out the live album Meet The Flower Kings, which features a couple epics from UTF, as well as an abridged version of FP's epic "Garden Of Dreams", as well as an amazing (and complete) version of "Stardust We Are"!

-Marc.

interesting. I dont know if i want to get a TFK live album yet, i prefer knowing most of a band's discography before getting one.

i would only get one double album at a time, otherwise i would feel overwhelmed. I think it's a matter of 'eeni meeni mieni moe'...

what do you recommend for a single-disc album?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: The Letter M on January 12, 2011, 04:03:42 PM
interesting. I dont know if i want to get a TFK live album yet, i prefer knowing most of a band's discography before getting one.

i would only get one double album at a time, otherwise i would feel overwhelmed. I think it's a matter of 'eeni meeni mieni moe'...

what do you recommend for a single-disc album?

Either of the band's first two albums, especially if you like SWA. I slightly prefer Retropolis over Back In The World Of Adventures, but both are amazing. Also, don't forget to pick up Roine's solo The Flower King album eventually, too. It's got the building-blocks of TFK and contains some great epics.

I suppose you could just flip a coin in the decision to purchase your next double album, but for me, I prefer UTF over FP. Zoltan's drumming is pretty jazzy and fusion-y and works great for the music on the album. All the playing on UTF is pretty spot on!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: KevShmev on January 12, 2011, 10:26:23 PM
Definitely save the live albums until the end.  The studio albums should always come first.

If you are looking for a single disc, since you already have SR and TSONE, I'll echo Marc's recommendation and say that getting either of the first two albums is the way to go.  But you are gonna want those massive double albums. All four of their double albums are tremendous. :coolio

Honestly, I wonder if Roine actually has taken the criticism of his vocals to heart, or if he is just being a smart ass about it all.  I mean, he always seemed pretty realistic about his voice, saying in the past that he knows his limitations, but is very confident about when and how to use it.  But suddenly a bunch of criticism is making him doubt it?  Not sure I completely buy that. 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: Plasmastrike on January 12, 2011, 10:45:32 PM
Great to see TFK thread on the top of the page! I've been digesting this music the last eight or so months. I really can't say enough about the band. Such a pleasure.. :)

Honestly, I wonder if Roine actually has taken the criticism of his vocals to heart, or if he is just being a smart ass about it all.  I mean, he always seemed pretty realistic about his voice, saying in the past that he knows his limitations, but is very confident about when and how to use it.  But suddenly a bunch of criticism is making him doubt it?  Not sure I completely buy that.  
Along with obviously the guitar playing, Roine's voice played a very significant role in really drawing me in. He's by far one of my favorite vocalists. Being a new fan, this whole someone-critisized-his-voice fiasco seems really bizarre. He's phenomenal! Sometimes just one perfectly worded sentence can really get to your emotions. I hope that didn't happen to Roine. Who knows? Though, you're right. He definitely does seem confident when he uses it. So expressive, yet experimental.

I also own Space Revolver and The Sum of No Evil by TFK. Im trying to figure out which album to check out next. Flower Power sounds cool, especially with GoD. But i also enjoy SR for it's jazzy overtones, so i also want to check out Unfold the Future. Thoughts?
Hope you're enjoying TFK journey thus far! UTF sounds like a great choice if you like the jazzy overtones. As Marc said, the playing is spot on. It's not my favorite (EDIT: Though it's amazing ;D), but it seems to fit your criteria.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9, ariich pg 9+)
Post by: Global Laziness on February 12, 2011, 08:57:54 AM
I've finally done it Kev! I've seen you recommend them several times, including a few times specifically to me, but I never got around to it until recently. Thank you for the recommendation, they're an amazing band. So far Stardust We Are is my favourite but it's tough to pick.

I'm listening to Adam and Eve right now, and it's odd to hear so much Daniel Gildenlöw.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9)
Post by: KevShmev on February 12, 2011, 10:07:57 AM
Awesome.  Good to hear. :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9)
Post by: ariich on February 12, 2011, 10:25:43 AM
Oh man I totally forgot I was meant to be doing a top 50 here. I gave it a break as nobody was responding much, and then completely forgot it! :lol :facepalm:

I've removed it from the thread title, but I may start it up again at some point. If anyone else wants to do one though, feel free.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9)
Post by: SlickSy on February 12, 2011, 02:25:38 PM
I've been meaning to look into The Flower Kings ever since I started listening to Transatlantic and last year. I like Roine's work with Transatlantic and reading what Kev has to say about this band has finally got me to check them out. I think I'm gonna start by checking out Paradox Hotel and Flower Power. Once I've listened to these albums I'll report back with my thoughts on the albums. I'm looking forward to picking them up!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9)
Post by: ariich on February 12, 2011, 03:33:48 PM
Both excellent albums, particularly Paradox Hotel! :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9)
Post by: The Letter M on February 12, 2011, 03:46:44 PM
Both excellent albums, particularly Paradox Hotel! :tup

I agree with this wholeheartedly!!!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9)
Post by: KevShmev on February 13, 2011, 08:03:28 AM
I've been meaning to look into The Flower Kings ever since I started listening to Transatlantic and last year. I like Roine's work with Transatlantic and reading what Kev has to say about this band has finally got me to check them out. I think I'm gonna start by checking out Paradox Hotel and Flower Power. Once I've listened to these albums I'll report back with my thoughts on the albums. I'm looking forward to picking them up!

Sweet.  We look forward to your thoughts on those albums. :)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9)
Post by: rumborak on March 12, 2011, 10:55:08 AM
I'm listening right now to Retropolis, what a great album.

This has probably been discussed in this thread, but are they done? The last album was in 2007, and even that one was kinda meh (at least for me). Kinda feels to me the band has run its course.

rumborak
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9)
Post by: KevShmev on March 13, 2011, 08:46:24 AM
They are on a sabbatical that they may or may not return from.  There was a bit of internal friction within the band, and while he never said it directly, I think Roine Stolt got frustrated by how little the band grew in terms of fan support and whatnot.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9)
Post by: LudwigVan on May 04, 2011, 09:06:46 AM
Bump. 

I seem to get into Flower Kings mode as soon as the spring weather hits.   I've had Flower Power in my cd player.   :hat
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9)
Post by: lateralus88 on May 04, 2011, 09:15:21 AM
I guess it's going to be "End on a High Note" on the way to class today. It's fucking SUNNY out n' shit.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9)
Post by: KevShmev on May 04, 2011, 09:22:34 AM
Awesome.  I usually get into a big TFK phase when spring rolls around, but it has been delayed a bit this year because of all of the new music I am getting into (some new CDs plus the Decemberists), but it is only a matter of time. :)

Also, their new bootleg-style live DVD from the 2007 tour will be out soon:

http://powerofprog.com/profiles/blogs/the-flower-kings-is-back

Set list:

Love is The Only Answer
There is More to This World
Retropolis
Trading My Soul
Hudson River Sirens Call
I am the Sun
Life in Motion
Brimstone Flight 999
Babylon
Stardust We Are
What If God Was Alone
Blade of Cain
Sum of No Reason 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9)
Post by: The Letter M on May 04, 2011, 11:44:07 AM
Pre-ordered this the night I found out about it! Cannot wait to get my hands on the first new TFK release in 3 years!!! It'll be exciting, even though the show itself is 4 years old, but I'm looking forward to watching/listening to TFK with Mastellotto on drums!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9)
Post by: darkshade on May 04, 2011, 02:16:04 PM
Ive picked up 3 more TFK albums since my last reply on this thread. Ive now got...

The Sum of No Evil
Space Revolver
Stardust We Are
Unfold the Future
Flower Power

So far, Unfold the Future is my favorite.

I haven't listened to disc 2 of Flower Power yet; as after listening to disc 1 a few times, I hit the brick wall with TFK music. But I wound up getting 2 of The Tangent's albums, and I also got Wheel of Life by Karmakanic (listening to it now, it's awesome), and I listened to 2 Neal Morse albums recently. So I've been in a Transatlantic/The Flower Kings-family mood. This thread is actually giving me the TFK itch right now, although it's rainy out, but whatever.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9)
Post by: ariich on May 04, 2011, 02:44:30 PM
Awesome.  I usually get into a big TFK phase when spring rolls around, but it has been delayed a bit this year because of all of the new music I am getting into (some new CDs plus the Decemberists), but it is only a matter of time. :)
Exactly the same here! I always listen loads in spring/summer though. :)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9)
Post by: KevShmev on May 04, 2011, 05:02:26 PM
Pre-ordered this the night I found out about it! Cannot wait to get my hands on the first new TFK release in 3 years!!! It'll be exciting, even though the show itself is 4 years old, but I'm looking forward to watching/listening to TFK with Mastellotto on drums!

I'd be happier with new TFK music altogether ;), but this will be still be nice!  Maybe all of those TSONE songs will help me appreciate that record more.

Ive picked up 3 more TFK albums since my last reply on this thread. Ive now got...

The Sum of No Evil
Space Revolver
Stardust We Are
Unfold the Future
Flower Power

So far, Unfold the Future is my favorite.

I haven't listened to disc 2 of Flower Power yet; as after listening to disc 1 a few times, I hit the brick wall with TFK music. But I wound up getting 2 of The Tangent's albums, and I also got Wheel of Life by Karmakanic (listening to it now, it's awesome), and I listened to 2 Neal Morse albums recently. So I've been in a Transatlantic/The Flower Kings-family mood. This thread is actually giving me the TFK itch right now, although it's rainy out, but whatever.

What do you mean by brick wall?  Do you mean that you've heard all you want to hear altogether, or that you simply wanted to mix it up for the time being?

Awesome.  I usually get into a big TFK phase when spring rolls around, but it has been delayed a bit this year because of all of the new music I am getting into (some new CDs plus the Decemberists), but it is only a matter of time. :)
Exactly the same here! I always listen loads in spring/summer though. :)

 :tup :tup

Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9)
Post by: darkshade on May 04, 2011, 06:55:50 PM
Ive picked up 3 more TFK albums since my last reply on this thread. Ive now got...

The Sum of No Evil
Space Revolver
Stardust We Are
Unfold the Future
Flower Power

So far, Unfold the Future is my favorite.

I haven't listened to disc 2 of Flower Power yet; as after listening to disc 1 a few times, I hit the brick wall with TFK music. But I wound up getting 2 of The Tangent's albums, and I also got Wheel of Life by Karmakanic (listening to it now, it's awesome), and I listened to 2 Neal Morse albums recently. So I've been in a Transatlantic/The Flower Kings-family mood. This thread is actually giving me the TFK itch right now, although it's rainy out, but whatever.

What do you mean by brick wall?  Do you mean that you've heard all you want to hear altogether, or that you simply wanted to mix it up for the time being?


Once I got Flower Power, and listened to disc 1 a few times, I needed a break from their music. I wanted give the 5 albums I have (3 of them double albums) time to sink in, since I was starting to feel a little overwhelmed. I bought Stardust, UtF, and FP within a month of so...

And yes, I also wanted to mix it up a bit, thus why I got The Tangent albums and another Karmakanic album. It's all great music, and I'm probably going to go back to those TFK albums soon enough  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9)
Post by: Nick on July 11, 2011, 02:00:46 PM
Just got done with Jonas Reingold, and that interview will be online either tonight or tomorrow (at www.wpapu.com). Had some nice The Flower Kings news in it. :)

With that in mind, the show returns tonight after taking last week off and I plan to play that bit on the air.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9)
Post by: The Letter M on July 11, 2011, 08:10:00 PM
Just got done with Jonas Reingold, and that interview will be online either tonight or tomorrow (at www.wpapu.com). Had some nice The Flower Kings news in it. :)

With that in mind, the show returns tonight after taking last week off and I plan to play that bit on the air.

Some TFK news?!? This is what I've been looking forward to ALL year. It seems nearly all the players in TFK have been busy over this past year - Roine's released the 2nd AOM album and is about to release the 3rd one next month; Jonas is just about to release the new Karmakanic album; Hasse is working on the followup to HFMC's FuturePast album, due out sometime next year, probably Winter 2012; and presumably, although I've not heard anything, Tomas is working on the 3rd part of his trilogy that started with I AM and continued with You Are, titled He She It Is.

Also, now that Marcus Liliequist is drumming with Jonas again (for In A Perfect World), and has been drumming for Tomas Bodin (on I AM and You Are), how likely is it that he will rejoin the TFK ranks and reunite the Paradox Hotel lineup for another album? I think it would be amazing because I liked PH and the live album Instant Delivery. I think Marcus has a lot of skill and power that suits the band. Hopefully Roine, Jonas, Tomas, Hasse, and Marcus can all reconvene and write a new album this fall/winter for a Summer 2012 release! *crosses fingers*

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (with Top 50s: KevShmev pg 6-9)
Post by: KevShmev on July 12, 2011, 01:09:56 PM
Listened to the interview.  Nice job, Nick. :tup :tup 

The possibility of new Flower Kings music is always great, and Reingold sounded pretty confident about them doing it, so woohoo. :hat
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
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Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: lateralus88 on July 13, 2011, 01:32:37 PM
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Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on October 20, 2011, 01:07:21 PM
From the Prog Archives Forum's Flower Kings Appreciation thread.

Quote
"I was reading a colleague's comment over on the Garden Of Dreams forum a day or two ago.
He said he met Roine at the Gothenburg prog Festival. Of course, in Roine's presence, said colleague became, in his own words a 'babbling idiot'. Nevertheless, he did ask Roine if there would be another TFK album. Roine said yes!
Then he asked him if Tomas would be on the album. Roine said yes!?? and looked a little bit puzzled. Then he laughed and said: 'Don't believe everything you read on the internet!' "


I'm not sure what other forum the quote came from, but the person who posted it there is not a troll or anything.

Also, does this mean Zoltan will be on TFK11?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Pols Voice on October 20, 2011, 03:29:06 PM
Woohoo! I don't think Zoltan will ever be back, though, because of the tension between him and Tomas. I'd much rather have Tomas than Zoltan in the band anyway.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Nekov on October 21, 2011, 04:02:22 AM
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Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on October 21, 2011, 07:50:58 AM
I would love another album from The Flower Kings, I've been bored stiff by Roine's Agents of Mercy stuff, although the last couple of Karmakanic albums have been good.  I even dug the album Hasse put out a while back.

But yeah, bring on some new stuff from The Flower Kings
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on October 21, 2011, 08:13:59 AM
I would love another album from The Flower Kings, I've been bored stiff by Roine's Agents of Mercy stuff, although the last couple of Karmakanic albums have been good.  I even dug the album Hasse put out a while back.

But yeah, bring on some new stuff from The Flower Kings

Indeed. I gave The Black Forest a full spin the other night and it was pretty good, though, and better than Dramarama. I wouldn't mind if Roine kept working with Nad in Agents Of Mercy, but PLEASE bring back the Flower Kings. It's been far too long. 5 years next year...who do they think they are, Rush or Tool? I mean, who puts a band on hold for five years after putting out so much music in 14 short years?...wait....

Anyway, as for TFK's possible drummer? I'd say bring back Marcus - he's been drumming with Tomas for the last few of his albums, and he also joined Karmakanic on their latest album, and I've always felt Roine to be fond of him, so it would make perfect sense to bring him back into the TFK fold. Personally I loved the Paradox Hotel line-up and wouldn't mind hearing them again.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on October 21, 2011, 08:43:24 AM
Yeah, Marcus is OK.   It's too bad they can't make it work with Zoltan, though. 

I think I'll listen to The Sum of No Evil tonight when I get home from work.  Haven't taken that for a spin in quite some time.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on October 21, 2011, 08:44:34 AM
I'd love another album with songwriting similar to Paradox Hotel - lots of shorter songs, a few somewhat longer tracks, and the bulk of it written on piano and/or acoustic guitar.  That resulted in one helluva record.  Plus, it sounded more natural and organic, as opposed to the follow-up, The Sum of No Evil, which, while good, sounded like it was trying too hard to be all-out prog. 

Either way, bring on more TFK! :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on October 21, 2011, 09:11:30 AM
I'd love another album with songwriting similar to Paradox Hotel - lots of shorter songs, a few somewhat longer tracks, and the bulk of it written on piano and/or acoustic guitar.  That resulted in one helluva record.  Plus, it sounded more natural and organic, as opposed to the follow-up, The Sum of No Evil, which, while good, sounded like it was trying too hard to be all-out prog. 

Either way, bring on more TFK! :tup :tup

It's quite interesting how the last 3 TFK albums all sound so different from each other - A&E feels a bit more bombastic and hard-rocking, and with an 8-member TFK band, the instrumentation is pretty full. Then we get PH with it's more basic/stripped-back feel with a ton of shorter songs. And finally we come to TSONE with a more classic-yet-modern feel to it, like they were trying to bring back that Retropolis feel, but with a kick. It also helps that each of the 3 albums has a different line-up.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on October 21, 2011, 11:22:04 AM
Honestly, I'd love for them to come back and add some more modern touches and scale back some of the vintage sounds (like that pipe organ sound that is featured in Hit Me with a Hit).  And as always, more Roine and less Froberg vocals, please. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: lateralus88 on October 21, 2011, 11:57:47 AM
I'd be happy with anything they put out because TFK always make my heart fuckin' SING. Can't wait for a new album.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on October 21, 2011, 12:26:29 PM
They could make "The Sum of No Evil II" and I'd be thrilled.  It's currently my favorite TFK album and I had hoped they'd tour the states in support of it.  I hated "Adam & Eve" (it's one of the few TFK albums I never listen to) and I was only lukewarm on "Paradox Hotel"  But definitely in the same camp with the idea of ANY new stuff from them would be great.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Pols Voice on October 21, 2011, 12:47:27 PM
Paradox Hotel is my least favorite TFK album. It's not very memorable, and kind of boring. Not that it's bad overall, but it doesn't live up to their other stuff. The Sum of No Evil is really good.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on October 21, 2011, 01:03:48 PM
My rankings are-

1. Unfold the Future
2. Space Revolver
3. The Sum of No Evil
4. Stardust We Are
5. Paradox Hotel
6. Flower Power (I haven't listened to this one as much for some reason)

I don't know what to get next, as Ive enjoyed them all so far to varying degrees. My local record shop has BITWOA and A&E, but Rainmaker seems cool too. What do you guys think?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Pols Voice on October 21, 2011, 05:40:49 PM
I like The Rainmaker a lot, but most fans seem to think it's not so good. Last Minute on Earth, World Without a Heart, Road to Sanctuary, and Sword of God are all great songs. Maybe the album seems rushed or less polished? I dunno.

Adam & Eve is pretty cool, although there are a couple songs I don't like. Back in the World of Adventures is better.

Really, though, you should get Retropolis if possible. It's my second favorite, with Space Revolver being #1.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on October 22, 2011, 09:37:38 AM
Retropolis and BITWOA are both must-buys if you already like some of the band's material.

The Rainmaker is still probably my 2nd least favorite TFK cd (ahead of only TSONE), but it still has some great stuff.  Serious Dreamers is one of their best tunes ever, and the riff in Last Minute on Earth should suck anyone right away.  On the flip side, Sword of God is probably the only TFK song I actively dislike a lot. 

A&E is really good if you ignore the title track (good bridge in the middle, but the rest is a major WTF) and Starlight Man (talk about ruining a good vibe and cool verses with a bland-as-hell chorus).  Love Supreme, Timelines and Driver's Seat are all fantastic tunes.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Pols Voice on October 22, 2011, 01:54:15 PM
On the flip side, Sword of God is probably the only TFK song I actively dislike a lot. 

Hmmm, it's one of my favorite TFK songs. It rocks, and the instrumental section in the middle reminds me of Kansas. My only problem with it is that one screwed up falsetto they shouldn't have left in.

I agree that the Adam & Eve title track is a major WTF.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on November 12, 2011, 10:59:14 AM
Listening to Garden of Dreams right now.

Oh....


My....




God...


It's so good I'm crying
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on November 12, 2011, 11:07:39 AM
It is amazing.  Nearly 60 minutes of musical perfection.

Along those lines, I wonder, for those who are big fans of both Transatlantic and The Flower Kings, which is the preferred super long suite: Garden of Dreams or The Whirlwind?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Nekov on November 12, 2011, 11:13:06 AM
Mmm, I would go with the Whirlwind. Garden of dreams is amazing though.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on November 12, 2011, 11:14:05 AM
Ive had Flower Power for only 4-5 months, whereas Ive had The Whirlwind since it came out, so I have more history and emotional attachment with that one. I think they're about equal (yet both do different things within the compositions). I think The Whirlwind has the edge because it has a greater climax and outro.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on November 13, 2011, 04:50:22 PM
So, is anyone else excited at the chance of new TFK material next year? It seems Roine is really ready to bring the band back together, so I'm hoping they reconvene over the winter to write and record and aim for a summer release.

Next year should be a BIG year for new music, between TFK and even new Marillion, so if the Kings do record and release by summer, I hope there's a North American tour to come! I'd love to see these guys live!!!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Pols Voice on November 13, 2011, 05:12:51 PM
Garden of Dreams is so good. Sunny Lane/Gardens Revisited/Shadowland is some of their best music ever.

I saw TFK live in 2005 and they were great.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on November 14, 2011, 06:55:14 AM
I've seen them live 3 times, and the last time I even got to hang out at the sound check before the gig.  That was pretty cool.  I talked to Roine and Hasse for a while, they were very gracious and they autographed my TSONE CD booklet.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on January 18, 2012, 01:48:44 PM
Well, I just decided to give The Black Forest (Agents of Mercy's latest) a full spin on ProgStreaming and even though it's not The Flower Kings, it definitely has Roine Stolt's stamp all over it and I like it much better than I did the first AOM disc.

I guess this is the next best thing to something new from TFK
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on January 18, 2012, 02:33:02 PM
I've spun TBF a couple times, but I'll agree, it's definitely got that special Roine Stolt touch and sound.

As for new TFK, both Roine and Jonas keep hinting at new TFK material this year, and it seems that Hasse is finishing up his 2nd album with the Musical Companion, so he will likely be free after Spring to reconvene with Roine and Jonas to do some new TFK songs. As for Tomas, I've not read/heard much news about/from him, or whether or not he's been working on new material for Eggs & Dogs/solo stuff (where is HE SHE IT IS?!), but I'm sure he will be free to join up with the others.

As for a drummer, I keep saying they should get Marcus back, as he's drummed for both Roine and Jonas recently, so it'd be nice to get him behind the TFK kit once again, especially because I loved his work on Paradox Hotel, as well as Roine's Wall Street Voodoo and Tomas's I AM, and his work on the recent Karmakanic album is pretty good too!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on January 19, 2012, 09:00:23 AM
I say, bring more TFK on, no matter who the drummer is.  I hate seeing Roine "waste" him time with his main project being one with such a blah singer. 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on February 02, 2012, 09:07:26 AM
From Roine's FB page:


THE FLOWER KINGS - Press statement Feb 2012:

Legendary progressive, iconic, symphonic rockband "The Flower Kings", formed in 1995 by guitarist, singer, composer Roine Stolt ( Transatlantic ), announce their immediate return to service in 2012, after an almost 5 years well earned hiatus.
The band consisting of Roine Stolt, bassplayer extraordinaire Jonas Reingold, keyboarder grand deluxe Tomas Bodin,
singer & guitarist Hasse Froberg and new 26 year old Berliner dextrous drummer prodigy Felix Lehrmann, started the recording
of a new album at Varispeed studios in Sweden on January 23rd.
The music is recorded in classic 70's style, with all musicians performing live in a room thru 70's vintage tube recording equipment
and famous NEVE consoles.
If all Gods and muses are onboard the new TFK is scheduled for an album release on June 6th on the Inside Out Music label (Century Media/EMI).
The yet unnamed album has a 23 min epic centerpiece and the material is all classic Flowerkings style with all
the dreamy melodic & cinematic elements that the bands fans has come to love over the years, but also contain some heavier psychedelic
music and some darker hi energy material.

The band is likely to embark on a headline european tour in september this year but will have it's official first re-union gig at the "Sweden Rock Festival" in June 7th - 2012.

---------

 :coolio :coolio :coolio
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Ryzee on February 02, 2012, 09:12:21 AM
 :D  Yay!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on February 02, 2012, 09:26:58 AM
Finally, an annoucement! I guess they wanted to wait until they actually started RECORDING the album before they said they would, ya know, just in case things didn't work out... :lol

So glad Jonas, Tomas, and Hasse have been able to rejoin Roine, and now introduce newcomer Felix Lehrmann. Gonna have to check him out ASAP!

Add this to my Top 12 Anticipated Releases of 2012!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: ronrule on February 02, 2012, 10:36:57 AM
Yes!

I wish it could be Zoltan. He's the only TFK drummer that really added additional musical goodness, IMO. BUT I'm really liking Felix's youtubes...looks some some great fusion influences might be coming back!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on February 02, 2012, 12:27:57 PM
Well, using the every other album trajectory they have been on since 2000, this album should be awesome!

Space Revolver = awesome
The Rainmaker = good
Unfold the Future = awesome
Adam and Eve - very good at best
Paradox Hotel = awesome
The Sum of No Evil - merely good
2012 album = awesome?

 :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: pain of occupation on February 02, 2012, 12:56:25 PM
just checking him out on youtube right now... :corn
...i think it just put me in a fusion mood for the day.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Nick on February 02, 2012, 12:58:52 PM
Well, using the every other album trajectory they have been on since 2000, this album should be awesome!

Space Revolver = awesome
The Rainmaker = good
Unfold the Future = awesome
Adam and Eve - very good at best
Paradox Hotel = awesome
The Sum of No Evil - merely good
2012 album = awesome?

 :biggrin:

While I might not agree with your exact ratings, I will say that your general trend is dead on.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Plasmastrike on February 02, 2012, 01:00:37 PM
Hellll yeah ;D

New TFK album, what a great year.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on February 02, 2012, 04:27:00 PM
This made my day.

No.


This made my week!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Pols Voice on February 02, 2012, 04:54:32 PM
YES. Great news!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on February 02, 2012, 06:27:51 PM
Here's a video of the new drummer. Makes me not miss Zoltan so much.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43MsDvHKQpE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43MsDvHKQpE)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on February 04, 2012, 11:40:05 AM
So guys, anyone have any guesses as to the new album's title?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on February 04, 2012, 11:46:32 AM
So guys, anyone have any guesses as to the new album's title?

Dawn Of The Setting Sun

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on February 04, 2012, 12:08:39 PM
Someone on Prog Archives came up with a good one

Return of the Kings

Could be a concept album based on LOTR (so prog), and also have double meaning.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on February 06, 2012, 02:46:41 PM
Maybe they'll make their big return with an eponymous title?

"The Flower Kings"


Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on February 06, 2012, 02:52:59 PM
I think they're one band that can't do that.

There's already a "The Flower King" album.

Besides, who makes an eponymous album more than 4-5 albums in.... wait......
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on February 06, 2012, 10:22:26 PM
I'd rather they not do that.  For the most part, I hate when bands call anything but their debut album a self-titled one.  The exception is The Beatles, but that is called The White Album by almost everyone anyway, so it's all good. 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on February 07, 2012, 08:46:50 AM
They should call it "Re-pollination"
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 13, 2012, 09:03:13 AM
So....according to a FB post, the new album will be called Banks of Eden, and will be released on June 18th.  Woohoo! :tup :tup

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150861129464552&set=at.197841559551.168571.135600119551.100000224097006&type=1&theater
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Nekov on March 13, 2012, 09:20:00 AM
Awesome!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on March 13, 2012, 09:38:20 AM
So....according to a FB post, the new album will be called Banks of Eden, and will be released on June 18th.  Woohoo! :tup :tup

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150861129464552&set=at.197841559551.168571.135600119551.100000224097006&type=1&theater

Saw this the other day. Meant to bump this thread but I guess I forgot to.

I cannot wait for the tracklist because I want to know if it'll be another double album! Part of me really wants it to be, and thinks it will be with how much material Roine seems to write and keep aside for long periods of time (not to mention whatever else Tomas, Jonas and Hasse bring to the table). Then again, another part of me thinks a solid single-disc album would be great as well, with a few extra/bonus tracks on a 2nd disc (like TSONE, which was pretty damn solid to me). I could go with either and still be really happy!

Five years was a LONG time to wait for a new album.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on March 13, 2012, 11:15:15 AM
^ Something tells me we'll get a single disc album, with a bonus disc of more material, but not necessarily "part" of the album. Transatlantic did it when they got back together, and Neal Morse did the same thing after that, so we'll see.

I, too, would explode if they released a new double album.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on March 13, 2012, 11:56:58 AM
^ Something tells me we'll get a single disc album, with a bonus disc of more material, but not necessarily "part" of the album. Transatlantic did it when they got back together, and Neal Morse did the same thing after that, so we'll see.

I, too, would explode if they released a new double album.

Well Jonas, Hasse and Roine have all been busy in the years since TSONE, while Tomas hasn't released anything since 2008, so I would hope that he will contribute a lot of material, at least enough to expand the album into a 2-hour opus!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 13, 2012, 12:27:32 PM
I am hoping for a double, especially since I am pretty sure they said that there is a song around 25 minutes on there.  A double will let them stretch out more, which I always like, instead of having nothing but prog, prog, prog, like on The Sum of No Evil.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on March 13, 2012, 12:38:54 PM
I am hoping for a double, especially since I am pretty sure they said that there is a song around 25 minutes on there.  A double will let them stretch out more, which I always like, instead of having nothing but prog, prog, prog, like on The Sum of No Evil.

True. Paradox Hotel is like that, and it's in my Top 3 TFK albums of all time. It's got prog, hard rock, acoustic stuff, some really heavy stuff, some jazzy stuff, and some weird-Zappa-esque stuff. It's got everything, and is a lot more varied than, say, Unfold The Future was, which was, IMO, a tiny BIT bloated with some of the jazz improv stuff, which I have to be in a certain mood for.

As for having an epic, it doesn't always necessarily mean we'll get a double album - sure it applies to Stardust We Are, Paradox Hotel, Flower Power and Unfold The Future, but The Sum Of No Evil and Space Revolver both had 25 minute epics (albeit the latter had it's epic split/bookended), and Adam & Eve had a couple of side-length tunes as well, and all three of those albums were single-disc ventures.

So really, it could go either way. We could get an epic with then 50 minutes of shorter tunes. Or we could get the epic, and 100 more minutes of music of varying lengths.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on March 13, 2012, 12:45:56 PM
They could make "The Sum of No Evil" over and over again as far as I'm concerned.  It's my favorite TFK album.    But I'll take whatever they've got.  :hat
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 13, 2012, 12:55:02 PM


As for having an epic, it doesn't always necessarily mean we'll get a double album

I know.  That is why I said I am "hoping" for a double since there is already a very long song. ;)  That way, we get a lot of everything.  Plus, if they do a 25-minute song and it isn't a particularly great song, on a double, there is still likely over 100 minutes of music to dig into, instead of just maybe 50 or so.  As someone who finds The Truth Will Set You Free a bit tedious to listen to, I am very thankful that UTF is a double, since it gave me 16 more songs and well over 100 more minutes of music to tackle. :)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on March 13, 2012, 01:08:46 PM


As for having an epic, it doesn't always necessarily mean we'll get a double album

Plus, if they do a 25-minute song and it isn't a particularly great song,

That's a pretty BIG "if" there. They haven't written an epic I can't get behind and love!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 13, 2012, 01:13:27 PM
They don't have any epics I dislike (except for One More Time, which is so plodding and boring), but a handful don't get listened to by me that much simply because they are not great enough for me to regularly dedicate the time needed to listen to them:

The Truth Will Set You Free
Love is the Only Answer
Road to Sanctuary
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: pain of occupation on March 14, 2012, 10:17:58 PM

....and Adam & Eve had a couple of side-length tunes as well, and all three of those albums were single-disc ventures...
-Marc.

but the bonus disc version of A&E SLAYS ALL.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on March 15, 2012, 09:14:55 AM

....and Adam & Eve had a couple of side-length tunes as well, and all three of those albums were single-disc ventures...
-Marc.

but the bonus disc version of A&E SLAYS ALL.

Sure it does, but those Space Revolver-era bonus tracks (the last three) are only so good. It sucks that I had to get the A&E 2-disc version for those three tracks because the first 6 tracks were already on the The Rainmaker 2-disc version (which I already had). Now the bonus tracks on the 2-disc version of Space Revolver are really good, and it was worth shelling out money for THAT set.

Still need the Japanese edition of Flower Power for those 4 bonus tracks (even though they're just Tomas Bodin little pieces).

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on March 16, 2012, 06:25:42 PM
The only TFK album I have that has any bonus material is my copy of Unfold the Future with the bonus track Too Late For Tomatos, but there's a slight segue into it from the epic Devil's Playground, plus it's one of 4 improv tracks on the album, so it feels like it's part of the album; almost an epilogue since it follows the grand finale of Devil's Playground.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: pain of occupation on March 18, 2012, 07:50:36 PM
^
i also bought the UTF with the bonus track....too late for potatoes is probably  my favorite of the 4 improvs  :metal
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on March 18, 2012, 08:05:48 PM
^
i also bought the UTF with the bonus track....too late for potatoes is probably  my favorite of the 4 improvs  :metal

"Too Late For Tomatoes", actually. I wonder if the "Tomatoes" part was a slight reference to Yes' "Tormato"? :lol

UTF is a pretty good album, and some might say the bonus track just makes an already long album even longer than it needs to be, but I'd say it's probably one of my favorite TFK albums anyway.

IIRC, the only albums with bonus tracks are:
Flower Power (Japanese Edition with bonus tracks at the end of each disc)
Space Revolver (Japanese Edition with bonus disc)
The Rainmaker (Special Edition 2-disc set in digibook)
Unfold The Future (Special Edition with a bonus track - released as both jewel case and digibook)
Adam & Eve (Japanese Bonus Disc)
The Sum Of No Evil (Special Edition 2-disc set in digipak)

Now, there are also non-jewel-case/digibook versions of Space Revolver (no bonus tracks), Paradox Hotel, the Collectors Artwork-Edition of Roine Stolt's The Flower King. I think that's everything. And sadly, I only know all of that because I own pretty much everything listed above (yes, even two versions of SR, TR, UTF, A&E and PH), the only exception being the Japanese version of Flower Power.

Oh, well there's also the 4-Disc digibook versions of Meet The Flower Kings and Instant Delivery, both of which are very nice pieces in addition to being great concerts.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on March 18, 2012, 10:58:01 PM
^
i also bought the UTF with the bonus track....too late for potatoes is probably  my favorite of the 4 improvs  :metal

Mine too  :hat
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Nick on March 18, 2012, 10:59:46 PM
In the future if you guys know the release date of something it's much appreciated if you post it in the calendar thread as well. :)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 18, 2012, 11:05:42 PM
I'd say Unfold the Future is more than just a "pretty good album," Marc. ;)

Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on March 18, 2012, 11:15:35 PM
I'd say Unfold the Future is more than just a "pretty good album," Marc. ;)

Ahh, come on, you know I love that album. It's in my top 3 TFK albums, although depending on how Banks Of Eden turns out, it could get pushed out because as of right now, I still prefer Stardust We Are and Paradox Hotel over Unfold The Future. I'd say, UTF is damn-near masterpiece level, but it's not for the TFK-beginner, that's for sure. It's one of those albums that, when you get into a band, you come to after a couple albums, and with repeated listens, become rewarded with an amazing listening experience. That's how UTF was with me (as was Yes' TFTO), and is usually the case for many band's double-albums/longest album. Studio albums that are over 100 minutes long usually take MANY listens for me to get into, and UTF was no exception, but the pay off was VERY rewarding. It's quite easy for me to breeze through it's 150 minutes! :lol

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Pols Voice on March 18, 2012, 11:20:40 PM
I think Unfold the Future's disc 1 is way better than disc 2. My favorite track is Black and White. Is it just me, or is UTF's production really compressed-sounding? Some other TFK albums also have this problem. The earlier albums had more spacious and dynamic soundscapes.

If I had to rank TFK's double albums:

1. Flower Power
2. Stardust We Are
3. Unfold the Future
4. Paradox Hotel
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 18, 2012, 11:26:31 PM
I know, Marc.  I just couldn't resist. :biggrin:

Back before I got a car stereo that would play mp3 CDs, my one CD condensed version of UTF back in the day was:

1. Genie in a Bottle
2. Fast Lane
3. Grand Old World
4. Silent Inferno
5. Man Overboard
6. Solitary Shell
7. Devil's Playground
8. Too Late for Tomatos (they spell it without the 'e' :P)

Fit perfectly on to a single CD. :coolio

Pols Voice, I adore the intro to Black and White, but I think once the songs get going, the bass guitar is a bit too busy.  It is a very rare occasion where I would accuse TFK of overplaying.  The keyboard lead is already speedy enough, but then that bass going a bit too crazy in the background is distracting. 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on March 18, 2012, 11:29:33 PM
Unfold the Future was my 4th Flower Kings album, and second double album. It became my favorite immediately. As far as if it's the best one, well, I go back and forth on it. I raided their discography in the last year and a half, so I'm still exploring their other albums so I can't form a full opinion (TFK music takes a lot of time to appreciate, even though I enjoy it immensely every time, there's always something new to enjoy). My first listen to UtF was magical, none of their albums hit me on first listen aside from a few moments here and there, but UtF was great for the whole 2 1/2 hours. I can't explain it.

UtF is the only album I make sure I don't listen to very often, as I fear it becoming stale, since I almost over-listened to it soon after I got it. All the other TFK albums get a fairly good amount of rotation, even though Space Revolver is my most played album; but it was my first.

I think it's because I like every song on UtF and feel they're all strong and highly diverse, and the fact that the album leans heavily towards jazz (one of my favorite genres) is a big part of it.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 18, 2012, 11:35:36 PM
UTF as a whole is probably one of the TFK CDs I go back to the least in recent years, simply because it is so damn long and it is like a chore to get through the whole thing.  A handful of the shorter songs get fairly regular rotation when I go through a TFK phase, but the two very long ones are like Yes' Gates of Delirium or Genesis' Supper's Ready in that they get saved for very rare occasions (although Devil's Playground will usually get the nod), and the jazzy instrumentals are nice, but I have to be in the mood for that stuff. 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on March 18, 2012, 11:44:20 PM
I usually listen to disc 1 first, then disc 2 later, because it is a 2 1/2 hour album, and I don't have that much consecutive time, except at night sometimes. I'll probably sit through the whole thing soon as Ive been doing an album a day recently (I'm up to Flower Power, Space Revolver tomorrow). I'll give it to Roine, the album flows like a movie; a very long movie.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on March 21, 2012, 02:55:04 PM
Picked this tidbit up from over at the TFK Forums:

Quote
From Hasse's blog:


Anyway, both Tomas and me has completed our contributions to the "standard edition" of the CD (TFK). As soon as we're done mixing the HFMC album, we'll start to record the extra songs for the "limited edition" (TFK), which by the way is supposed to be something EXTRA (but you won't hear anything from me).

So it looks like we'll get a (possibly) 2-disc set as a "Limited Edition" of Banks Of Eden! I liked the last set so if it's released in anyway like TSONE was done, count me in! That packaging was just AMAZING! Lovely, yet quirky artwork! Ed Unitsky has such a vivid imagination!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on March 23, 2012, 01:16:51 PM
So Ive been doing this TFK discography marathon, and I'm up to Unfold the Future, and aside from pausing it after Monkey Business to get a coffee, Ive been listening to the whole thing, and I'm almost up to Solitary Shell. WHAT A GREAT ALBUM! I don't care how long it is, it's really good. I still think this is one of their best. I may throw on Tomas Bodin's "I AM" album in between this and Adam & Eve for the UtF references.


Picked this tidbit up from over at the TFK Forums:

Quote
From Hasse's blog:


Anyway, both Tomas and me has completed our contributions to the "standard edition" of the CD (TFK). As soon as we're done mixing the HFMC album, we'll start to record the extra songs for the "limited edition" (TFK), which by the way is supposed to be something EXTRA (but you won't hear anything from me).

So it looks like we'll get a (possibly) 2-disc set as a "Limited Edition" of Banks Of Eden! I liked the last set so if it's released in anyway like TSONE was done, count me in! That packaging was just AMAZING! Lovely, yet quirky artwork! Ed Unitsky has such a vivid imagination!

-Marc.

I called it!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Pols Voice on March 23, 2012, 01:49:55 PM
Kind of interesting that they had the title Adam and Eve and now Banks of Eden.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on March 23, 2012, 01:56:03 PM
Kind of interesting that they had the title Adam and Eve and now Banks of Eden.

And the hour long epic "Garden of Dreams". Hmm.....
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on March 23, 2012, 01:58:35 PM
I don't think they've made it any secret that their music carries some Christian overtones....."The Truth Will Set You Free" is also from the bible, isn't it?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: LudwigVan on April 16, 2012, 09:45:48 AM
It's like clockwork for me... as soon as the weather gets warm, I grab me a handful of TFK cds.   :)

If there's one minor weakness for me with this band, it's in the fact that Stolt's and Froberg's voices are SO close in timbre and range that they lose some opportunity for interesting vocal interplay and harmonies.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on April 16, 2012, 10:32:13 AM
Is anyone else as pumped for Banks Of Eden as I am?! The new cover looks great (same guy did the first two Agents Of Mercy album covers)...next to new Rush, this album is probably my 2nd most anticipated album of the year!

Oddly enough, the album is a "scant" 55 minutes, and the first 25 of it is the opening epic! Of course, there will be bonus tracks and the sort, but it's weird - they haven't made an album this short since their first couple albums. Let's hope it's more concise and less filler!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 16, 2012, 12:08:16 PM
There isn't any filler on any TFK record.  I think some need to remember that just because you don't like a song doesn't make it filler. ;)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on April 16, 2012, 01:25:23 PM
There isn't any filler on any TFK record.  I think some need to remember that just because you don't like a song doesn't make it filler. ;)

True enough, but just because it's recorded and somebody else likes it doesn't mean it isn't filler. Case in point - they've released many albums with "bonus tracks", which apparently they thought were good enough to record and release, but not good enough to put on the main albums. So if the band themselves can think that of their own music, then I don't see a problem with the fans thinking that either.

I love their albums as WHOLES, but when it comes to individual songs, some things are just less-likable than others. It's like the band releases the album, but then the special/limited editions are the "Director's Cut" versions of albums, with the cut-songs made available for everyone to listen to. I just think some bands don't cut things because they like it all, but I think as fans, we don't have to like it like they do.

Either way, before I ramble on TOO much longer, I'll just say, with TFK, any music is GOOD music, and most music is GREAT music.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 16, 2012, 01:28:09 PM


If there's one minor weakness for me with this band, it's in the fact that Stolt's and Froberg's voices are SO close in timbre and range that they lose some opportunity for interesting vocal interplay and harmonies.

I cannot disagree more with this.  There is no way that Stolt has the range than Froberg does, but conversely, Stolt's voice has tons more character than Froberg's does.  Froberg's vocals can be a bit hit or miss for me at times, simply because they are a bit too "pretty" at times if that makes sense; a good example would be the chorus of Starlight Man.  As much as I love this band, and this not meant to be any disrespect towards Froberg, I sometimes wonder how much better they could have been with a second lead singer whose voice had a bit more grit.  Having said that, Froberg does sing some sections that are goosebump-worthy.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 16, 2012, 01:30:17 PM
Here are Roine's thoughts on the idea of filler and whatnot (which he posted 9 days ago at the FK yahoo mailing list), and he starts off with some major sarcasm :lol:

Filler = "Songs I don't like"

The funny thing is that some prog fans out there seriously consider
the possibility
that a band like TFK put second rate material to "fill" an album
because "they were short on material".

In reality there is a bulk of material floating around that for one
reason or another will not end up on a certain album
just to show up on a later TFK album (or even a Transatlantic album)
- and who knows becoming a fan fave.

The complexity and politics of chosing songs to an album is not easy
and all I can say is that we work
with the best intention to fill a couple of criterias.

Those being: songs with good catchy riffs and melodies, interesting,
clever or just plain positive uplifting lyrics,
Interesting arrangements with cool time signatures and stand out solo
sections and production to the highest of standards.
We also try to strike a good balance between staying within our
signature original TFK sound and trying new things and new
untried (for us) territory. This means we sometimes venture into
both pop and sometimes into more experimental or even ambient land.

And for those who wonder, there is no priority tag on songs written by
Stolt - all member have and have had the chance to
contribute equally every time, since the last 15 years at least.
What you see on TFK albums is the result of free will and
personal considerations regarding members individual careers.

That's about it - Now if we're lucky the songs transpire well into
the live setting - and we have 3 DVD's that show that this is the case
now and again.

So does this mean I love and justify every single TFK song or
album ? - no I don't, but as said it is the result of band politics
and
to be honest even I happen to be the one making the wrong decision
now and then or I just fall prey to the democratic process,
that do exist regardless of what others may say, and we end up with
an album that we all are about 75% happy with.
Still there seems to be a couple of tunes that live on and finds it's
way into our live sets.

The important thing for me is that TFK as a band has produced a huge
catalogue over the last 15 years and there is material of
very high order - plus the odd "miss" tune or album - well I don't
dwell on those, since the good stuff prevail and that's what I'm looking
forward to play live in the coming year(s).

Hail to the new album and a few more - of 50/50 % greatness/
filler ( as usual.)

Roine
btw Happy Easter one and all!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on April 16, 2012, 01:34:52 PM
I love Roine's sense of humor! It's pretty snarky but serious. He knows what's going on.

As for "filler", it's nice that he and the band are very forward-thinking. I'm glad they never had a huge "hit" or a really "classic" album (like DT has with IAW), where fans would always complain "OH, TFK have never been as good as _______ album since..."

I like that, with every new release, there's always great music to find, and while most of each album stands the test of time, they're all held up to the same high marker that Roine and company assign to each record.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 16, 2012, 02:02:32 PM
Yeah, if English is Roine's second language, then sarcasm is his third. :lol :lol

The thing is, I get why some might not care for certain songs on their own, like a lot of the shorter pieces on Stardust We Are, but when listening to the album as a whole, they provide nice little transitions and segue ways, rather than just the album being a collection of songs placed in no discernible order.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Pols Voice on April 16, 2012, 03:10:48 PM
If there's one minor weakness for me with this band, it's in the fact that Stolt's and Froberg's voices are SO close in timbre and range that they lose some opportunity for interesting vocal interplay and harmonies.

Interesting...I don't think their voices are similar at all. Both are great at what they do and fill different roles vocally. I always like it when Hasse gets a lot of lead vocals on an album, too.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: pain of occupation on April 16, 2012, 10:23:40 PM
two weeks ago i read all the Unfold The Future discussion but forgot to comment:
along with a plethora of other TFK material, i bought UTF (with bonus track) last summer. and although it can be a bit  much at times and a little exhausting, i would usually listen to both discs in one sitting. i got to know the album pretty much inside out and love(d) it. (GREAT album, indeed, darkshade).
....except for one problem. b/c it was SO much, i kept skipping Devil's Playground, convincing myself that i would get to know it later. well, after obsessing over the album for a couple months, i slowed on the repetitive spins and moved on to a dizzying amount of other music new to my ears, and i further put Devil's Playground on the back burner...and eventually  more or less forgot to get back 'round to it.
well, after reading a bunch of UTF posts in this thread (as mentioned), i forced DP spins last week. 5 times in 4 days i believe. conclusion: i've been missing out on a(nother)  cool TFK epic. though its tough to form an opinion on epics of such a magnitude after only 5 spins, i will say that i dont think i'll like it as much as the opening epic. but we'll see what a few more spins brings me.

the past 10+ days i've moved on to further exploring Retropolis, and have let Devil's Playground slip a little off my radar again. but i think maybe i'll throw it on when my current album finishes (and, yes, i'm currently spinning Retrop)

(speaking of Retrop, i keep only spinning the same 5 or 6 tunes from the album...i dont wanna get into the 'filler' debate {hehe, roine}, but the other tracks just didnt do it for me after the first couple listens, so i've stuck with those i know i love and have been spinning em to death...i'll have to get back on top of giving the remainder a chance sometime soon)

last thing - Question: if the only two TFK albums i love all the way thru are UTF and A&E, does that make me a Gildenlow fanboy?

warning: this post may be incoherent, but i'm too lazy right now to proofread.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 16, 2012, 11:14:22 PM


last thing - Question: if the only two TFK albums i love all the way thru are UTF and A&E, does that make me a Gildenlow fanboy?

Only if you think the song Adam & Eve (one of their few "WTF were they trying to do" songs) is really good. :biggrin: :lol
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on April 17, 2012, 06:17:48 AM


last thing - Question: if the only two TFK albums i love all the way thru are UTF and A&E, does that make me a Gildenlow fanboy?

Only if you think the song Adam & Eve (one of their few "WTF were they trying to do" songs) is really good. :biggrin: :lol

Oddly enough, I enjoy A&E's title track, with or without Gildenlow. And I'm not much of a Gildenlow fanboy, and the only POS albums I own are BE, and both Road Salt albums, and they haven't been spun much. I got BE a long time ago but just never bothered to dive more into POS, then I decided to get both Road Salt albums and found them to be pretty interesting. I guess I just need to listen more. I do enjoy DG's performances on all the Transatlantic stuff he's on, and he's a great musician/vocalist, but I guess it'll be awhile longer til I can really appreciate his work.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 17, 2012, 07:05:04 AM
Roines comment is correct. You can have a really old song that they decide to dust off the shelf and finally finish it.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: pain of occupation on April 17, 2012, 09:56:05 AM


last thing - Question: if the only two TFK albums i love all the way thru are UTF and A&E, does that make me a Gildenlow fanboy?

Only if you think the song Adam & Eve (one of their few "WTF were they trying to do" songs) is really good. :biggrin: :lol

ya, ive seen some of the ill will towards the title track...ive always loved the song. even the weird middle section. the only thing i dont like about said weird section is it makes it tougher to throw on a party type playlist without making your poker guests wonder wtf's going on (other than the weirdness, what a deadly rocker that song makes).
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 17, 2012, 11:43:51 AM
Party type playlist?  Hmmm, I can't imagine any TFK song that would make any kind of party playlist I would make, but that's me. :lol :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on April 17, 2012, 11:46:57 AM
New album cover looks amazing.
(http://www.flowerkings.se/covers/banks_of_eden.jpg)

I don't understand the ill feelings towards Adam & Eve, it's a rockin' tune. Zoltan's drums on the album are so great! Not in my top 5, but maybe 6 or 7.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: pain of occupation on April 17, 2012, 11:58:47 AM
Party type playlist?  Hmmm, I can't imagine any TFK song that would make any kind of party playlist I would make, but that's me. :lol :biggrin:

really?! i havent even explored their entire catalogue, but i've come across plenty of shorter fun/rockin songs that go over well (or that i perceive to go over well) when company is over.

maybe 'party type playlist' is misleading...i just mean playlists for when we wanna have some drinks, rock out, and maybe play some poker.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on April 17, 2012, 01:42:26 PM
He's right, to some extent that "Filler" is really "song I don't like" - sometimes.  Other times, it's just nonsense.  Like "A Day at The Mall" on disc 2 of _Stardust We Are_

If that's a "song" then I'm an ant eater


Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Pols Voice on April 17, 2012, 04:50:11 PM
Adam & Eve is one my least favorite Flower Kings songs. I like the album in general, though. The first three tracks are gold.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 17, 2012, 11:04:35 PM
I think the strength as at the end of the CD, most notably the last three songs: Timelines, Driver's Seat and The Blade of Cain.  But Love Supreme is great as well, and I do like both Babylon and A Vampire's View quite a bit each. 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on April 20, 2012, 12:59:04 PM
I honestly think that The Sum of No Evil beats every album before and since Jonas joined, except for Unfold the Future. The album is consistent, and some of the best material is contained within.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 20, 2012, 01:01:59 PM
I could not disagree more.  I wouldn't say any of the songs are even close to being among their best songs, and it has their most boring song ever (One More Time).  Don't get me wrong, it is a good overall album, but, for me, it just doesn't stack up to most of the others.  I think The Sum... and The Rainmaker are easily their two least best albums.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on April 20, 2012, 01:16:36 PM
TSONE is pretty good, and I find myself coming back to it more often than A&E and The Rainmaker. Of their last 5 albums, I'd say it's not their worst. I'd prefer it over Rainmaker, and probably alongside A&E, but not above PH or UTF (which are Top 3 for me).

Also, has anyone else checked out the new vids featuring new music clips and interviews with the band on the new album/drummer? It sounds heavy and dark and like a natural progression from where TSONE was going. Sounds a bit like UTF and TSONE with a bit of that classic TFK sound (whatever that may be lol)

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on April 20, 2012, 01:39:58 PM
Yea it seems like the new album will be a continuation of TSONE, with added heaviness and darker moments. There was still some of the soaring guitar lead moments and lighter stuff as well, as is to be expected. Banks of Eden is my most anticipated album of 2012 (unless Transatlantic set a release date for this year)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 20, 2012, 02:20:52 PM
The one new video I saw of the band was just weird.  At the beginning, Roine is talking while Bodin is sitting next to him, but up higher and with his arms folded across his body.  It just looked strange, especially from the angle it was shot from. :lol

Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 21, 2012, 09:18:11 AM
Preview medley of the new album:

http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/12977417
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kingshmegland on April 21, 2012, 09:20:53 AM
Preview medley of the new album:

http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/12977417

Listening now. Thanks Kev.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 21, 2012, 09:28:29 AM
No problemo.  I hear a lot of Roine vocals in those clips, which is always good thing. :)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 26, 2012, 11:30:13 AM
After listening to all of Stardust We Are on a drive yesterday, I am starting to think that me putting it at number 6 in my TFK top 50 I did last year (that can be found in the earlier pages of this thread) was a mistake.  It should probably be number 3 or 4.  In retrospect, I think it is better than both Big Puzzle and Devil's Playground.  So much awesomeness in 25 minutes. :hat
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on April 26, 2012, 01:52:03 PM
Unfold The Future                        * * * * *
Space Revolver                            * * * * *
Flower Power                               * * * *
Stardust We Are                          * * * *
Back In The World of Adventures   * * * *
The Sum Of No Evil                       * * * *
Paradox Hotel                              * * * *
The Flower King                           * * *
Adam & Eve                                * * *
The Rainmaker                            * * *
Retropolis                                   * * *
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on April 26, 2012, 01:53:07 PM
I honestly think that The Sum of No Evil beats every album before and since Jonas joined, except for Unfold the Future. The album is consistent, and some of the best material is contained within.

It's the only TFK album where I do not feel compelled to reach for the skip button several times.  In short, I think it's excellent and would love it if the new one is in a similar vein.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on April 26, 2012, 01:58:00 PM
I honestly think that The Sum of No Evil beats every album before and since Jonas joined, except for Unfold the Future. The album is consistent, and some of the best material is contained within.

It's the only TFK album where I do not feel compelled to reach for the skip button several times.  In short, I think it's excellent and would love it if the new one is in a similar vein.

My album rankings I just posted go against what I said about TSONE, but I still stand by the fact that it is one of their best albums. My opinions on their music vary from day to day; week to week.  ;)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 26, 2012, 02:00:40 PM
Okay, but why are you including The Flower King in there?  I know some people in certain circles like to think of it as the real first TFK album, but it's not.  The style is very much in the TFK vein, but Roine performs all of the guitars, bass and keyboards.  It is very much a Stolt solo album.  I mean, if we are gonna include The Flower King, then why aren't we including Hydrophonia and Wall Street Voodoo as well? ;)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on April 26, 2012, 02:01:44 PM
Ugh, I refuse to acknowledge the existence of Wall Street Voodoo
 :P
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on April 26, 2012, 02:02:51 PM
I honestly think that The Sum of No Evil beats every album before and since Jonas joined, except for Unfold the Future. The album is consistent, and some of the best material is contained within.

It's the only TFK album where I do not feel compelled to reach for the skip button several times.  In short, I think it's excellent and would love it if the new one is in a similar vein.

My album rankings I just posted go against what I said about TSONE, but I still stand by the fact that it is one of their best albums. My opinions on their music vary from day to day; week to week.  ;)

I have similar rankings to yours except I like The Rainmaker a lot more than most people (probably because it was my first TFK album) and I'd probably rank the top half of that list a bit differently.

Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 26, 2012, 02:06:30 PM
Wall Street Voodoo is good for what it is - bluesy rock - but I'll admit that I rarely listen to it.  I like most of it, but strictly blues simply isn't a style of music that I am usually in the mood for.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on April 26, 2012, 02:09:20 PM
Okay, but why are you including The Flower King in there?  I know some people in certain circles like to think of it as the real first TFK album, but it's not.  The style is very much in the TFK vein, but Roine performs all of the guitars, bass and keyboards.  It is very much a Stolt solo album.  I mean, if we are gonna include The Flower King, then why aren't we including Hydrophonia and Wall Street Voodoo as well? ;)

I know The Flower King is not a proper TFK album, I have the album listed under 'Roine Stolt' on my iTunes. I like to look at that album as like the prequel album to the Flower Kings discography; sort of like The Hobbit is to Lord of the Rings, or something of that sort. (Ive never read LOTR, btw). The album never enters my top 5 on principle, but it is better than at least a couple of proper Flower Kings albums.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Pols Voice on April 26, 2012, 03:57:39 PM
I like The Rainmaker quite a bit, and it wasn't my first TFK album (Flower Power was). I love Last Minute on Earth, World Without a Heart, Road to Sanctuary, and Sword of God.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on April 26, 2012, 04:05:21 PM
Okay, but why are you including The Flower King in there?  I know some people in certain circles like to think of it as the real first TFK album, but it's not.  The style is very much in the TFK vein, but Roine performs all of the guitars, bass and keyboards.  It is very much a Stolt solo album.  I mean, if we are gonna include The Flower King, then why aren't we including Hydrophonia and Wall Street Voodoo as well? ;)

I know The Flower King is not a proper TFK album, I have the album listed under 'Roine Stolt' on my iTunes. I like to look at that album as like the prequel album to the Flower Kings discography; sort of like The Hobbit is to Lord of the Rings, or something of that sort. (Ive never read LOTR, btw). The album never enters my top 5 on principle, but it is better than at least a couple of proper Flower Kings albums.

I think Roine Stolt's The Flower King is more of a TFK album than "On The Sunday Of Life" is a Porcupine Tree album, which is really a Steven Wilson solo album that's been labelled as PT's debut album. I think The Flower King is a pre-cursor in the way that the Majesty Demos were for Dream Theater. A glimpse of things to come with most of the band that would be on their debut.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on April 26, 2012, 05:44:24 PM
Okay, but why are you including The Flower King in there?  I know some people in certain circles like to think of it as the real first TFK album, but it's not.  The style is very much in the TFK vein, but Roine performs all of the guitars, bass and keyboards.  It is very much a Stolt solo album.  I mean, if we are gonna include The Flower King, then why aren't we including Hydrophonia and Wall Street Voodoo as well? ;)

I know The Flower King is not a proper TFK album, I have the album listed under 'Roine Stolt' on my iTunes. I like to look at that album as like the prequel album to the Flower Kings discography; sort of like The Hobbit is to Lord of the Rings, or something of that sort. (Ive never read LOTR, btw). The album never enters my top 5 on principle, but it is better than at least a couple of proper Flower Kings albums.

I think Roine Stolt's The Flower King is more of a TFK album than "On The Sunday Of Life" is a Porcupine Tree album, which is really a Steven Wilson solo album that's been labelled as PT's debut album. I think The Flower King is a pre-cursor in the way that the Majesty Demos were for Dream Theater. A glimpse of things to come with most of the band that would be on their debut.

-Marc.

It's funny because I view WDADU as a precursor to DT's discography  :P
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on April 26, 2012, 09:02:13 PM
http://www.spincds.com/coming-soon/banks-of-eden-cd-34237

According to this, and a couple other sources, here's the tracklist:

1. Numbers - 25:20
2. For The Love Of Gold - 07:35
3. Pandemonium - 06:05
4. For Those About To Drown - 06:50
5. Rising The Imperial - 07:40
Bonus CD:
1. Fireghosts - 05:50
2. Going Up - 05:10
3. Illuminati - 06:20
4. Lo Lines - 04:40
5. Interview with the band in the studio - Video Feature (18:12)

And here's the vinyl track listing...

Side A:
1. Numbers - 25:20
Side B:
1. For The Love Of Gold - 07:35
2. Pandemonium - 06:05
3. For Those About To Drown - 06:50
Side C:
1. Rising The Imperial - 07:40
2. Fireghosts - 05:50
3. Going Up - 05:10
Side D:
1. Illuminati - 06:20
2. Lo Lines - 04:40

According to the link above, you can buy both in a bundle, which I will TOTALLY get.

Flower Kings on vinyl?! I don't OWN a record player (yet) but when I do, this will sound AWESOME. Besides, the art is just very pretty.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 27, 2012, 08:05:02 AM
Interesting that the regular album will be that short (by their standards).  Nice to get some bonus tracks, though.  :tup :tup

Okay, but why are you including The Flower King in there?  I know some people in certain circles like to think of it as the real first TFK album, but it's not.  The style is very much in the TFK vein, but Roine performs all of the guitars, bass and keyboards.  It is very much a Stolt solo album.  I mean, if we are gonna include The Flower King, then why aren't we including Hydrophonia and Wall Street Voodoo as well? ;)

I know The Flower King is not a proper TFK album, I have the album listed under 'Roine Stolt' on my iTunes. I like to look at that album as like the prequel album to the Flower Kings discography; sort of like The Hobbit is to Lord of the Rings, or something of that sort. (Ive never read LOTR, btw). The album never enters my top 5 on principle, but it is better than at least a couple of proper Flower Kings albums.

I probably agree with all of that, but I still don't call it a real TFK album.  No Tomas Bodin, no Flower Kings!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on April 27, 2012, 09:05:00 AM
Interesting that the regular album will be that short (by their standards).  Nice to get some bonus tracks, though.  :tup :tup

Okay, but why are you including The Flower King in there?  I know some people in certain circles like to think of it as the real first TFK album, but it's not.  The style is very much in the TFK vein, but Roine performs all of the guitars, bass and keyboards.  It is very much a Stolt solo album.  I mean, if we are gonna include The Flower King, then why aren't we including Hydrophonia and Wall Street Voodoo as well? ;)

I know The Flower King is not a proper TFK album, I have the album listed under 'Roine Stolt' on my iTunes. I like to look at that album as like the prequel album to the Flower Kings discography; sort of like The Hobbit is to Lord of the Rings, or something of that sort. (Ive never read LOTR, btw). The album never enters my top 5 on principle, but it is better than at least a couple of proper Flower Kings albums.

I probably agree with all of that, but I still don't call it a real TFK album.  No Tomas Bodin, no Flower Kings!

Well considering that most of the material (for TFK albums) is WRITTEN by Roine Stolt, especially in the first few albums, they're more like solo albums featuring other members, many of which were ON his solo album The Flower King, and they've played many tunes from it as a band, The Flower Kings, much in the same way that Porcupine Tree has done "Radioactive Toy" as a full band, even though it was completely done by Steven Wilson himself.

Whether or not you like Tomas' playing I think is a bit irrelevant when considering The Flower King as a TFK album. It's like saying Spock's Beard's The Light wasn't a real SB album because it didn't have Ryo Okumoto on it. I know, you'll probably say "That's a different story", but Ryo does add a lot to the band's sound, and even some fans here might agree that SB sounded better after The Light. And back to PT, the addition of Richard Barbieri into the "band" really added a lot to their sound, especially when The Sky Moves Sideways came around.

Either way, I count The Flower King as a pre-TFK album, a sort of proto-type, and even though Tomas was not on it, Roine does a pretty good job with his keyboards. I'm sure we won't ever know, but it's also quite possible that, for the songs Roine wrote in the earlier TFK albums, Roine wrote all the keyboard parts and gave Tomas the demo and said "Play these parts with your keyboards", which in effect would mean that Tomas was really only a session player, recording things that Roine wrote.

Not to diminish anything Tomas does, and I'm sure he does add a lot to Roine's music once they're in the studio, but the writing credits all (usually) say "Music by Roine Stolt", a lot more often than not. So if that is the case, then I would definitely count The Flower King as a TFK album, while an album like Hydrophonia would not, mainly because it is an instrumental album. Most of TFK release an instrumental live album once and even went out of their way to call it an album by "Circus Brimstone", rather than "The Flower Kings".

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 27, 2012, 09:25:58 AM
I get what you are saying, but Ryo didn't join SB and become their full-time player; IIRC, he was asked to join the band because Neal couldn't handle all of the keyboard parts live AND sing lead.  Bodin became the keyboard guy in TFK, and even if Roine wrote his parts (which I have no idea if that was the case, but I doubt it), Bodin still has a specific sound and style that is very much a part of the TFK sound. 

PT isn't really a relevant comparison since Steven Wilson by his own admission has said that PT was a bit of a gag early on and only became a "real band" a few years later.  His original intention was not for Porcupine Tree to evolve into a regular band with other members.

Lastly, The Flower King is far more guitar driven than any TFK album. which is why it really has that feel of being a solo album.  Sure, it has Humanizzimo, which easily could have been a TFK track and has been played many times by the band, but the majority of the songs totally have that solo album, almost guitar hero, feel. 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on April 27, 2012, 09:33:19 AM
I feel like if Roine wanted to do all the keyboards, he could have and not have invited Tomas to join his band. I'm not exactly sure what the history is behind the exact formation of the band, but I feel like, calling the band after the name of that album is a huge indicator of what he wanted do do with the band (make more music like the album he made).

And even though it is a lot more guitar-driven than later TFK albums, I think that's just because Roine was at the helm of it, but the album also included many players that would continue on in The Flower Kings - Hasse Fröberg, Ulf Wallander, Hasse Brunisson, and Jaime Salazar, all four of which would continue with Roine through four TFK albums, with the addition of Michael Stolt and Tomas Bodin.

I guess it's really hard to find a comparison in other bands because most bands start off as a full band and not stem from a single musician's solo album, but considering Roine was doing such different music prior to the release of The Flower King (like his albums Fantasia and The Lonely Heartbeat), the music on that album has a lot more in common with TFK than not.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 27, 2012, 09:50:26 AM
My Favorite Headache sounds a lot like Rush (which makes sense since Geddy Lee is one of the two main music songwriters); are we gonna call that a real Rush album?  Nope.

Sure, Roine could have done the keys, and likely would have done a good job, but not as good a job as someone whose main job is playing keyboards (see: Tomas Bodin) would have done.

And I still need to hear those two early Roine solo albums.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on April 27, 2012, 09:59:46 AM
My Favorite Headache sounds a lot like Rush (which makes sense since Geddy Lee is one of the two main music songwriters); are we gonna call that a real Rush album?  Nope.

Sure, Roine could have done the keys, and likely would have done a good job, but not as good a job as someone whose main job is playing keyboards (see: Tomas Bodin) would have done.

And I still need to hear those two early Roine solo albums.

I wouldn't say there's any basis in comparing Roine's solo album (which came out BEFORE there was a band named after it) to Geddy Lee's solo album, which came out long after Rush was around and established. And the writing dynamic is largely different in Rush than it is in The Flower Kings. In Rush, most of the music is written by Geddy and Alex, with lyrics by Neil, where as in TFK, most of the music and lyrics are by Roine alone, with minor contributions in music from the others, sometimes lyrics.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Nick on April 27, 2012, 10:05:46 AM
Most pointless discussion ever. :p

But I'll give my 2 cents.

In cases like this you can only really go by what was intended at the time, indicated by the names and labels. The Flower King was a Roine Stolt solo album, pure and simple, because that's how it was marketed at the time. The band then formed and the name was changed to show such.

If you had a band with 5 albums and the same lineup, and those same guys decided they wanted to do an album that was different so they'd use a different name, you can't just say it's another album from band xxx, because it's not, the intention was to be something different. The Flower King was a solo album, so even if the players and dynamic stay simpler there was a change to a band format and a change to the name, so The Flower King, while being very closely linked to The Flower Kings (duh) is not a Flower Kinds record.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on April 27, 2012, 12:02:31 PM
Yeah, um, so anyway, I had not listened to Flower Power in a long time so I gave both discs a spin today.

Other than some seriously skippable borning/useless tracks on disc one towards the end of the Garden of Dreams suite, I think it's one of their most consistent albums.


Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 27, 2012, 12:05:53 PM
Well said, Nic.  Okay, that felt weird typing that. :P

And yeah, Flower Power is all kinds of awesome.  I like every part of the GOD suite - I get why a few of the mellow tracks might not be for everyone, but I like them in context, and they help the flow - and Disc 2 is loaded with great tunes.  Magic Pie, however, is one of those things I wish they would have chucked in the river. :lol
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: pain of occupation on April 27, 2012, 01:12:04 PM
...calling the band after the name of that album is a huge indicator of what he wanted do do with the band (make more music like the album he made).

-Marc.

^ this

was just dropping in to say i've spun Devil's Playground some 15+ times in the past 11 days since my kinda-big post. its safe to say i now know it pretty much as well as the rest of the album. oh, and its quite  :metal
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on April 27, 2012, 02:08:07 PM
...calling the band after the name of that album is a huge indicator of what he wanted do do with the band (make more music like the album he made).

-Marc.

^ this

was just dropping in to say i've spun Devil's Playground some 15+ times in the past 11 days since my kinda-big post. its safe to say i now know it pretty much as well as the rest of the album. oh, and its quite  :metal

Dat big 'metal' riff, well it's heavy. First played by the orchestra in the beginning of the song. I guess it's the main theme?

That and the climatic ending are my 2 favorite moments on that song, and 2 of the best moments on UtF.

Unless I'm doing the whole album, I usually listen to Solitary Shell leading into Devil's Playground. I don't know why, but SS gives me chills every time I hear it. Beautiful song.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on April 28, 2012, 10:41:22 AM
Well back to Banks of Eden - it's interesting that this will be their shortest album to date - 53:30 long with only 5 tracks- not including the bonus disc tracks. I wonder if it was for a lack of time, demoed material, or just the need for not filling a whole disc.

Either way, I wonder if fans will see this as a "trimming" in comparison to their other albums, which reach 75+ minutes. If so, I wonder how the bonus disc tracks will sound compared to the main album, or if it will all be quality (as I expect).

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 28, 2012, 11:27:26 AM
I am surprised they are doing such a short album (by their standards) after such a long hiatus, but given that they always do a great job when it comes to flow and cohesiveness, I have faith that this one will be no different.



Unless I'm doing the whole album, I usually listen to Solitary Shell leading into Devil's Playground. I don't know why, but SS gives me chills every time I hear it. Beautiful song.

It certainly is, as is Man Overboard.  In fact, Man Overboard and Solitary Shell are two of my favorites from UTF!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on April 28, 2012, 01:18:13 PM
I am surprised they are doing such a short album (by their standards) after such a long hiatus, but given that they always do a great job when it comes to flow and cohesiveness, I have faith that this one will be no different.



Unless I'm doing the whole album, I usually listen to Solitary Shell leading into Devil's Playground. I don't know why, but SS gives me chills every time I hear it. Beautiful song.

It certainly is, as is Man Overboard.  In fact, Man Overboard and Solitary Shell are two of my favorites from UTF!

Yea Man Overboard is pretty good. I also like, when in context of the album, The Navigator, which is Solitary Shell's other half, but more 'innocent' sounding than SS. That especially gives me chills, because the album flows like a movie.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: pain of occupation on April 28, 2012, 04:25:45 PM
ya, im actually finding Devil's Playground to be near perfect. there's a bit of a lull in the middle of the song for me. but really, the song is just outstanding (maybe i'm just gushing over the track's freshness for me, and i'll cool on it a bit when the novelty wears off).

interesting you guys bring up man over board. i've really been grooving on it lately more than previous. dat time sig.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on April 29, 2012, 05:00:30 PM
Been awhile since I've spun UTF in it's entirety as I've been listening to earlier TFK (TFK, BITWOA, Retropolis, and SWA), as well as Adam & Eve in the last day (which I've come to appreciate a bit more now than I used to), although The Rainmaker still doesn't get as much attention as any of the other albums.

Unfold The Future is, and will most likely stay, a top 3 TFK album for me - it's got long songs, short songs, jams, and a lot of variety without being all over the place. That, and I just LOVE the album art.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on April 29, 2012, 05:15:09 PM
Listened to Stardust We Are for the first time today. I'm just getting into TFK and I was kind of hesitant to listen one of their double albums because I was afraid that I'd lose interest in the album. I really liked it but there's a lot to take in. Its going to take a few more listens before I can really form an opinion. I did really like The Church of Your Heart and the title track.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on April 29, 2012, 07:24:04 PM
Stardust We Are is one of their best albums, and the title track is among their best epics, hell, among prog rock's best epics (along with most other TFK epics). I like the 2nd disc a lot because many of the tracks hint at the title track to come, though the disc also has a couple of their weaker moments too, but luckily, they're short.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Pols Voice on April 29, 2012, 07:29:08 PM
Ghost of the Red Cloud is fantastic.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kingshmegland on May 15, 2012, 03:30:13 PM
New 2 minute promo for the new album.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1NnWP0CBac&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on May 15, 2012, 03:40:01 PM
Been waiting for someone to revive this thread.

Thanks for the link, but I'm trying to not hear anything from the new album until my hard copy is in my hands. I tried to do that with ADTOE last year, but, well, let's say I gave in to temptation.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on May 15, 2012, 05:23:40 PM
Pre-orders are up on the band's own website, although they only include the single CD and the digipak special edition 2CD set, but not the 2LP/2CD bundle that is mentioned on the front page...sad, as I would've bought the vinyl in addition to the CDs, but I went ahead and got the 2CD set.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on May 16, 2012, 02:50:43 PM
Who would have thought The Flower Kings would be on Blabbermouth?

http://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=174068 (http://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=174068)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: pain of occupation on May 16, 2012, 06:59:42 PM
Listened to Stardust We Are for the first time today...I did really like The Church of Your Heart and the title track.

church of your heart is amazing. i got married 2 summer's back, and our wedding songs were DT's I Walk Beside You and POS' This Heart Of Mine. but had i already known 'Church' (which i only got to know just over a year ago), i probly woulda decided it was the ultimate wedding song and bumped one of the other two (or added a third, i s'pose)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 16, 2012, 10:58:30 PM
Who would have thought The Flower Kings would be on Blabbermouth?

http://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=174068 (http://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=174068)

Very nice! :)


church of your heart is amazing. i got married 2 summer's back, and our wedding songs were DT's I Walk Beside You and POS' This Heart Of Mine. but had i already known 'Church' (which i only got to know just over a year ago), i probly woulda decided it was the ultimate wedding song and bumped one of the other two (or added a third, i s'pose)

I could see that being a good wedding song, even with its extended length.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: pain of occupation on May 17, 2012, 12:16:09 AM
^ ya, it might be too much for some of the guests. an edit (sacrilege!) might be required.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on May 17, 2012, 02:26:43 PM
Another update from TFK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a95OZnNIYX4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a95OZnNIYX4)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on May 18, 2012, 10:28:52 AM
Looks like we got some confirmation from Roine on the TFK Yahoo Group concerning why there is 2 discs when all the songs can fit onto one.

Quote from: Roine Stolt
[There is] a 23 minute interview film -
The other thing is that the songs on the bonus didn't really fit the concept- they're a tiny bit lightweight and upbest -
but well produced.

This is the way to go - trust me.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on May 25, 2012, 12:45:17 PM
So it's now 4 weeks before Banks of Eden will be released. Is anyone as excited as I am? I'm trying to not listen to the band much until the new album comes out, because I'm sure the new album will throw me on a serious Flower Kings kick. Luckily I have been keeping myself busy with Agents of Mercy, Karmakanic, Spock's Beard, Yes, and Beardfish  ;D
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: glaurung on May 25, 2012, 08:33:11 PM
So I picked up a used copy of Paradox Hotel but I'm trying to figure out why this one has a different cover than the regular one. I can't even find a picture of this one online, but it has sort of a leather book texture on it and it just says Paradox Hotel Guest Book on the front. Any idea what's up with this copy?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on May 25, 2012, 08:56:43 PM
So I picked up a used copy of Paradox Hotel but I'm trying to figure out why this one has a different cover than the regular one. I can't even find a picture of this one online, but it has sort of a leather book texture on it and it just says Paradox Hotel Guest Book on the front. Any idea what's up with this copy?

That's the cover for the liner notes, right? IIRC, that's the liner notes booklet that comes in the digipak of the album, not the jewel case. The jewel case version that I own is a promo version that has no lyrics but only a single-sheet insert folded in half with the cover art on the outside, and a list of tour dates on the inside.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: glaurung on May 25, 2012, 10:19:55 PM
Somebody must have taken it out of a Digipack and put it in a jewel case then. :lol

The back cover is even right, it's just the front that's off.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 25, 2012, 10:59:29 PM
So it's now 4 weeks before Banks of Eden will be released. Is anyone as excited as I am?

Honestly, not really.  I am far more excited about the upcoming Rush CD, but once I get the TFK CD, I am sure I will be excited to listen to it.  I am cautiously optimistic that it will be great, but I have to admit that the relatively short length (by their standards) has me a bit worried that they went all-prog again from start to finish, and the diversity of all kinds of different styles is what makes their best albums their best albums, IMO.  I hope I am wrong.  I know the bonus songs will make it come out to almost 80 minutes, so time will tell.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on May 31, 2012, 05:24:21 PM
Roine mentioned on the TFK Yahoo Group that they sold out copies of Banks of Eden in pre-orders. That's awesome for the band and I hope they get on the Billboard charts (not that I really care about the charts, but it'd be good for exposure).

But don't worry, he said he ordered more CDs.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: adace on May 31, 2012, 05:29:31 PM
30 second samples http://www.amazon.co.uk/Banks-of-Eden/dp/B0084T6NW8/ref=sr_shvl_album_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1338506926&sr=301-4 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Banks-of-Eden/dp/B0084T6NW8/ref=sr_shvl_album_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1338506926&sr=301-4)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 31, 2012, 05:48:49 PM
Roine mentioned on the TFK Yahoo Group that they sold out copies of Banks of Eden in pre-orders. That's awesome for the band and I hope they get on the Billboard charts (not that I really care about the charts, but it'd be good for exposure).

But don't worry, he said he ordered more CDs.

I was gonna say, I wanted to buy one.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on May 31, 2012, 06:06:08 PM
30 second samples http://www.amazon.co.uk/Banks-of-Eden/dp/B0084T6NW8/ref=sr_shvl_album_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1338506926&sr=301-4 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Banks-of-Eden/dp/B0084T6NW8/ref=sr_shvl_album_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1338506926&sr=301-4)

Hmmm, sounds good! I cannot wait for this album. Between this and Rush's new album, I'll be pretty busy through June with new music!

And good thing I pre-ordered less than an hour after Roine put the pre-orders up on the TFK site! I hope mine gets signed like he said many will be!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on May 31, 2012, 06:25:00 PM
Must.... resist.... urge.... to.... listen to previews!

I want it to be completely fresh when I hear it. I'm still annoyed at myself for checking out ADTOE when it leaked.

I hope my local shop is getting Banks of Eden, they have most of the other TFK albums there, and are generally good when it comes to having new prog releases. I checked with them yesterday, and they weren't sure. But it was some woman who Ive never seen working there before, so who knows.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: pain of occupation on May 31, 2012, 07:20:04 PM
was she cute at least?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on May 31, 2012, 07:38:02 PM
was she cute at least?

Well she was probably in her 40s, she was in good shape, and OK-looking I guess. Of course, I wish it was a 23 year old brunette that doesn't have 1000 piercings and is into prog rock. I'd have hung around all day.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on June 01, 2012, 03:43:16 PM
Looks like Roine is going to re-release the TFK back catalog...

Quote
Pale Rider
Just looking up some cool bonus material for the old TFK catalogue. New series coming this year - luxury pax.
What do YOU think is cool - live material - demos - videos ? Let us know. Off tomorrow for extensive rehearsal of the TFK golden oldies but with a brutal backbeat. Motorhead won't live thru this.......

Luxury "pax", eh? Looks like we may get 2-disc versions of one-disc albums and 3-disc versions of 2-disc albums (or more!). Cannot wait to see what they pull out of the "archives" to add to these sets. I wonder if there will be boxsets....

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 01, 2012, 03:53:53 PM
Looks like Roine is going to re-release the TFK back catalog...

Quote
Pale Rider
Just looking up some cool bonus material for the old TFK catalogue. New series coming this year - luxury pax.
What do YOU think is cool - live material - demos - videos ? Let us know. Off tomorrow for extensive rehearsal of the TFK golden oldies but with a brutal backbeat. Motorhead won't live thru this.......

Luxury "pax", eh? Looks like we may get 2-disc versions of one-disc albums and 3-disc versions of 2-disc albums (or more!). Cannot wait to see what they pull out of the "archives" to add to these sets. I wonder if there will be boxsets....

-Marc.

I just finished buying up all the TFK studio albums, and 1 live album, over the course of the last year and a half.  :facepalm:

Well, I'll only consider buying these new editions if there's anything worth having. I'd be down for more jams from Unfold the Future, and maybe bonus songs that were recorded on any of the albums, but then left on the back burner (if those exists, since Roine seems to release everything under the sun lol).
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on June 01, 2012, 04:10:06 PM
Looks like Roine is going to re-release the TFK back catalog...

Quote
Pale Rider
Just looking up some cool bonus material for the old TFK catalogue. New series coming this year - luxury pax.
What do YOU think is cool - live material - demos - videos ? Let us know. Off tomorrow for extensive rehearsal of the TFK golden oldies but with a brutal backbeat. Motorhead won't live thru this.......

Luxury "pax", eh? Looks like we may get 2-disc versions of one-disc albums and 3-disc versions of 2-disc albums (or more!). Cannot wait to see what they pull out of the "archives" to add to these sets. I wonder if there will be boxsets....

-Marc.

I just finished buying up all the TFK studio albums, and 1 live album, over the course of the last year and a half.  :facepalm:

Well, I'll only consider buying these new editions if there's anything worth having. I'd be down for more jams from Unfold the Future, and maybe bonus songs that were recorded on any of the albums, but then left on the back burner (if those exists, since Roine seems to release everything under the sun lol).

Well, if it makes you feel any better, I've spent the last 7 years buying all of their albums, and I do mean ALL of their albums, that have been officially released (no Fan Club discs), and a few really rare items, especially Japanese Versions of their albums (Space Revolver, Adam & Eve, both with Bonus tracks not featured anywhere else, as well as the Limited Edition of The Rainmaker, also with a bonus disc).

If the re-issues contain all the Japanese/European exclusive tracks, as well as some live stuff (either audio or video), then I might get them, especially if the packaging is pretty sweet.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 04, 2012, 12:24:28 PM
So is everyone getting the 2CD special edition of Banks of Eden? I hope so, because the second disc will be just more songs, not B-sides or anything; those songs just didn't go with the theme of Banks of Eden, according to Roine Stolt.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on June 04, 2012, 01:13:06 PM
I've been putting off ordering this, but will the 2 CD version will available at places like amazon, lasercd, etc.?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: pain of occupation on June 04, 2012, 02:01:23 PM

I just finished buying up all the TFK studio albums, and 1 live album, over the course of the last year and a half.  :facepalm:


same here. last summer/autumn i bought up everything 'cept for stardust and paradox. though i also still need adam & eve version w bonus disc.

anyone know whats the deal with the complete lack of flower kings merch?! i want a shirt, damnit.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 04, 2012, 02:01:36 PM
I've been putting off ordering this, but will the 2 CD version will available at places like amazon, lasercd, etc.?

Best Buy offers the single CD version for $10, Amazon will have it for about $12, but everywhere I look, the special edition 2CD version is anywhere from $35 to $50!!!

However, today I found this site offers it for just $21.92
http://www.grooves-inc.com/flower-kings-the-banks-eden-special-edition-insideout-music-cd-album-pZZa1-1897465510.html?language=en&utm_source=froogle_us&utm_campaign=froogle_us (http://www.grooves-inc.com/flower-kings-the-banks-eden-special-edition-insideout-music-cd-album-pZZa1-1897465510.html?language=en&utm_source=froogle_us&utm_campaign=froogle_us)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on June 04, 2012, 02:16:46 PM
I may have to get it from there, then.  $29 from TFK's website (plus shipping) seems pretty high.  I get that artists want fans to support them by buying from them directly, but why makes the prices so obscenely high?  Neal Morse does the same thing when ordering from Radiant.  And quite frankly, I don't care about getting a 20-minute interview with the band; I just want the music.  And if the regular CD is $10 at amazon, even ordering from that site means I am spending an extra $11 plus shipping on four songs that total about 22 minutes.  Doesn't seem quite worth it, really.  I may just opt for the single version (which comes in a jewel case, which I like, as opposed to a digipak, which I do not).
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 04, 2012, 02:18:53 PM
$29 price has everything to do with the exchange rate and nothing to do with the band doing anything greedy.


Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on June 04, 2012, 02:22:07 PM
I get that, but that is still a lot to pay.  I usually have no problem paying a little extra for my favorite bands, but over $30 after shipping for basically what amounts to a single disc's amount of music is too rich for my blood these days.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 04, 2012, 02:25:33 PM
Eh, I've spent $30 on way stupider stuff than this.   :lol

Just ordered my LTD edition from TFK site.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 04, 2012, 02:29:56 PM
I'm with you on the packaging issue, Kev. I don't like digipaks either, I wish the 2CD edition was a standard jewel case. Part of me want to order both editions so I have the jewel case AND the extra songs.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 06, 2012, 07:12:34 AM
I wish every album was a digipack - I hate jewel cases  :lol
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Zydar on June 07, 2012, 01:02:05 PM
Nevermind, posted in the wrong thread  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 09, 2012, 05:03:01 AM
OK, although a lot of my favorite individual TFK songs are the well-known epics (Garden of Dreams, Stardust We Are, The Truth Will Set You Free, etc), so far my favorite album is Paradox Hotel.

How off-base am I?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on June 09, 2012, 08:32:57 AM
OK, although a lot of my favorite individual TFK songs are the well-known epics (Garden of Dreams, Stardust We Are, The Truth Will Set You Free, etc), so far my favorite album is Paradox Hotel.

How off-base am I?

Not very far! :tup

PH is a top 3 TFK album for me, along with Stardust We Are and Unfold The Future. Something about it's many varied songs and the acoustic-feel of the whole thing just attract me in a way that I can't explain, although it wasn't an immediate favorite, Paradox Hotel grew on me like a virus, and now I cannot NOT love it. So many memorable songs and melodies, coupled with some great lyrics. It's also a bigger BAND effort, a lot of writing credits from people other than Roine on that album.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on June 09, 2012, 08:47:33 AM
Yep, Paradox Hotel is awesome from start to finish, and is probably my 2nd favorite TFK record (I like Flower Power just a tad more), so you are not off-base at all here, hef. :)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 09, 2012, 03:08:06 PM
 :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: pain of occupation on June 09, 2012, 04:23:14 PM
anyone know whats the deal with the complete lack of flower kings merch?! i want a shirt, damnit.

maybe you should look through the back pages of this thread for a clue. you cant just come in here expecting others to do your research for you, pain of douche.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Nick on June 09, 2012, 09:48:32 PM
Hef, Paradox Hotel has always been my favorite as well.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 10, 2012, 05:36:59 AM
Paradox Hotel is somewhere in the middle of the pack for me, but I still consider it one of their best albums.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 10, 2012, 10:01:36 AM
Paradox Hotel is somewhere in the middle of the pack for me, but I still consider it one of their best albums.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on June 10, 2012, 08:09:26 PM
I saw Adam and Eve in the record store today but I didn't get it. I decided to buy something else instead since I heard that its one of their worse albums. Should I have gotten it? Is it really that bad? I only have 4 other FK albums (Space Revolver, Stardust We Are, Back in the Work of Adventures, Retropolis) and I figured that I'll get their better albums first.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 10, 2012, 09:13:17 PM
I saw Adam and Eve in the record store today but I didn't get it. I decided to buy something else instead since I heard that its one of their worse albums. Should I have gotten it? Is it really that bad? I only have 4 other FK albums (Space Revolver, Stardust We Are, Back in the Work of Adventures, Retropolis) and I figured that I'll get their better albums first.

Honestly, they're all good. I think Adam & Eve is one of the stronger albums. Both epics are outstanding, and A Vampire' View always sends chills down my spine. Blade of Cain is one the best conclusions to an album. Not an album I would recommend for a TFK newbie, but you should have picked it up, especially since you're already familiar with the band.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Pols Voice on June 10, 2012, 10:31:20 PM
Adam and Eve isn't bad at all. Love Supreme is a really strong epic, plus there's other good stuff like Cosmic Circus, Babylon, and Drivers Seat.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on June 11, 2012, 11:32:39 AM
I regret not getting it. I didn't have much money so I hope they'll still have it next time I go.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on June 11, 2012, 12:56:53 PM
Comments from Roine regarding the new album:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYpflvjmsi0&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 11, 2012, 01:00:27 PM
I wouldn't regret it.  If you currently have Space Revolver, Stardust We Are, Back in the Work of Adventures and Retropolis, then your next purchases should be Unfold The Future, Flower Power, The Sum of No Evil, Rainmaker, Paradox Hotel and then Adam & Eve

I will admit that Adam & Eve is my least favorite TFK album, so I am biased.  It's not a BAD album, per se, they just have much, much better ones.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 11, 2012, 01:09:49 PM
Agreed, he should get Unfold the Future and/or Flower Power next, as those are 2 of their best, but I think once you get a few of the key albums, it doesn't matter the order of which you get their albums. If you're going to hear them all anyway, don't worry about it, like I said, they're all excellent.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 11, 2012, 01:18:10 PM
Of that group I'd probably pick Flower Power next. 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 11, 2012, 01:26:09 PM
Yea, Garden of Dreams is probably their best overall piece of music. A one hour long epic.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 11, 2012, 01:43:58 PM
I think the other disc that comes with Flower Power is also very strong.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on June 11, 2012, 01:45:30 PM
Yep, Disc 2 of Flower Power has a bunch of great songs.  Okay, some of the atmospheric tracks aren't ones I go for a lot, and Magic Pie is a bit of a WTF (as in a totally wussy song), but Deaf, Numb and Blind, Stupid Girl, Psycedelic Postcard, Calling Home and Painter are all great.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 11, 2012, 02:01:46 PM
Agreed. It took me a while to appreciate disc 2 of FP, but I think it's one of their stronger discs overall. Lots of good songs on that one. It's just that GoD is definitely the centerpiece (and should have been an album of its own, but whatever). I just mentioned the giant epic because it is a big reason why you should own Flower Power.

However, I think Unfold the Future is the best of their double albums.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 11, 2012, 02:10:13 PM
I measure how much I like their albums by how much material I feel compelled to skip when I listen.  By that measurement, Flower Power is very high on the list because I don't skip much of either disc.  UTF, on the other hand, is probably a 50/50 album for me.  The highs are great, but I generally skip about half the tracks.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 11, 2012, 02:17:39 PM
I love how on every forum where TFK are discussed, no one can come to an agreement about which albums are the best, unlike most other bands. Maybe we can agree on some songs as the best, but not albums. I think it's great, and shows how versatile and eclectic TFK are.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 11, 2012, 02:23:25 PM
Very diverse band.  It used to bug me quite a bit that they were all over the map but I've kind of grown used to it.  Plus, after seeing them live so many times (5 so far!) I've grown to appreciate even their material that I don't always connect with personally. 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Nick on June 11, 2012, 03:12:46 PM
I love how on every forum where TFK are discussed, no one can come to an agreement about which albums are the best, unlike most other bands. Maybe we can agree on some songs as the best, but not albums. I think it's great, and shows how versatile and eclectic TFK are.

I always got the feeling that Stardust We Are was the general favorite.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Pols Voice on June 11, 2012, 03:18:32 PM
Space Revolver is the best. Then Retropolis.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on June 11, 2012, 03:23:27 PM
I love how on every forum where TFK are discussed, no one can come to an agreement about which albums are the best, unlike most other bands. Maybe we can agree on some songs as the best, but not albums. I think it's great, and shows how versatile and eclectic TFK are.

I always got the feeling that Stardust We Are was the general favorite.

SWA does show up in a lot of fans' top 3/top 5 lists for TFK albums. Heck, it's in MY Top 3 TFK Albums list, along with PH and UTF. I feel like the double-disc albums get a lot of attention, if anything, because of the sheer amount of music included on those albums.

I think Space Revolver makes it into many fans' top lists as well, especially for a single-disc album.

I do see, however, that many fans put The Rainkmaker and Adam & Eve in the bottom end of their lists more often than not, although that's not to say they aren't great albums. To the contrary, they're pretty good, but standing up against such great albums like SR, UTF and PH, they've got tough competition.

I do rank The Sum Of No Evil pretty highly, though, especially the Special Edition with the bonus tracks. Suffice to say, TFK have produced an amazing body of work that reaches out to it's various fans and pleases them all. I can't really complain, because between 1994 and 2007, they released ten albums with over 18 hours of music. Many bands don't produce that much music in their LIFETIMES, let alone only 13 years. Roine and company sure are prolific, and I'd say at least 90% of that material is 4-out-of-5 stars good!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 13, 2012, 10:16:28 AM
From Jonas Reingold's Facebook page:

Jonas Reingold (https://www.facebook.com/jonas.reingold)
I can understand that our customers are really upset of the shipping rates on the Ltd. Edition Vinyl package. It´s a big parcel 950 gram, but Posten the company that taking care of shipping here in Sweden (the only option for a small company like us) don´t agree that it´s to expensive. The only ones that doesn´t make money on our music is ourself, all the rest making profit from our business, it´s crazy but true. I could write a book about this subject but will spare you this because it´s a beautiful day. But something is not right when people like Roine and many more having a hard time living off music. It´s f-ed up . . .

Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on June 13, 2012, 11:37:44 AM
It does suck, but such is the life for musicians in niche genres like symphonic prog rock, eh?  I still say Roine didn't do the band any favors by calling themselves The Flower Kings.  Not that they would have been huge otherwise, but a name like that is probably an instant turnoff for some.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 13, 2012, 03:09:09 PM
The name of the band at this point is irrelevant.  The problem is nobody pays for music any more. They just steal it.  It's killing bands like this who rely on that income to make a living. 


Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 14, 2012, 05:09:25 PM
MY LOCAL SHOP HAS BANKS OF EDEN

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG

I'M GOING TO PICK IT UP TONIGHT OR EARLIER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on June 14, 2012, 10:33:17 PM
lasercd has it now, too.  I was gonna order it from them, but then I remembered that nobody buys music anymore, so I didn't. :lol :lol :lol

J/k.  I ordered it, and hopefully will have it early next week. :)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 15, 2012, 08:20:41 AM
I wonder when TFK will ship orders placed on their webstore?  Eh, it doesn't matter, I've spent about $200 on music in the last two weeks, so I've got a ton of stuff to listen to anyway.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 15, 2012, 01:19:29 PM
This turned into a mini-review.

On my 2nd listen of Banks of Eden, and WOW, it kicks so much ass. It's definitely TFK, but there's something different about it. Roine is playing so great, even Tomas is showing off his chops more than he usually does. New drummer is excellent, Hasse sings some of the best vocals on the album, and Jonas is great as usual.

The epic "Numbers" is dark (for them), but has a lot of cool stuff going on. It's sort of different for the band. Damn, it's HEAVY!!!  :metal At times, it's also like The Flower Kings in a haunted house.  :eek Excellent guitar from Roine, some of his best work. It's not all dark, of course, and the main chorus/refrain is beautiful; maybe my favorite section from the whole album so far, a little jazzy. The climax of the song is so glorious, it's like the band are so friggin' happy to be back! I'm so happy for them, and for listening to this! A near-perfect epic, in so many ways.

The other songs aren't as dark, though there's moments. The album is only 55 minutes, and not one minute is wasted. The album just flies by. New drummer Felix rivals Zoltan in both ability and style, but he's got his own thing going on too. Every song is great, and they kind of all segue into each other with little atmospheric bits. I cannot see most people calling any songs here "filler", every song does it's job. Maybe because this is somewhat of a concept album, but the flow is magnificent, for those of you who have had a problem with most TFK albums being too long.

"For The Love Of Gold" might be this album's "Chicken Farmer Song", nice uplifting song from the Kings, and a nice contrast from the big, dark epic before. I gotta say, Roine is really pulling out all the stops on this album, he's on fire. This has to be some of his most powerful, and technical, guitar work. Also, great organ solo by Tomas.

"Pandemonium" sure is intense. Interesting vocals. Very dark. Roine's got that vocal effect he used on "Bavarian Skies", but it's used to great effect IMO, and isn't used a lot, in case you don't like it. Most of he vocals are Roine's normal voice. I don't know what it is, but the band just sound so energized and ready to take on the world, so to speak. Maybe it's the new drummer, he's playing so fierce.

"For Those About To Drown" is a lighter song, a little pop, but also includes some of the heaviest moments on the album too. Tomas plays some real technical stuff at times. Great ending.

I think the last song "Rising The Imperial" might be the best song on the album (not sure yet), and it's a Jonas song! Of course, he's come a long way since TFK's last album 5 years ago, what with Karmakanic's last 2 albums being superb. Jonas plays some great bass on this one. This song acts as a finale to the entire album, and the finale of the song itself rivals those of Devil's Playground, Stardust We Are, and other great epics by the band in the past.

The bonus songs are great too, the only reason I think they were separated from the main album is that they don't fit with the overall theme of the album. They are NOT leftover songs. They ARE great songs, and the last 2 songs are 2 of the best songs out of both discs.

Not taking the bonus disc into account, the album feels too short, even though it's under an hour. But that is not a flaw in the album, I'm just used to 2 1/2 hours of TFK on one album  ;)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 15, 2012, 01:44:35 PM
I didn't really talk about the bonus disc enough, so here we go.

First off, most of the bonus disc is sort of pop-prog. The first track "Illuminati", however, is an instrumental, sort of sounding like evil Pink Floyd, if you will. But Tomas' keys keep things from getting too dark.

But then, the second song "Fireghosts" is definitely the pop-prog song here. Pretty good, Jonas' bass is the best part of this all.

"Going Up" is a better pop-prog song than the previous, with a better chorus, and some acoustic guitar and sitar mixed in with the usual TFK instrumentation. Has a slight Karmakanic feel at times.

Last song is the best on the bonus disc. "LoLines" has some great heavy guitar riffing from Roine and Hasse. I realize while listening to this song, that Roine sings a little different than he usually does on this album, or he chose to sing over sections of music he wouldn't have done in the past, I don't know. What I do know is that it adds some nice color to the music (among other things). Great chorus, and nice leads by Roine (though it actually might be Hasse taking the solo). A good addition to the main album.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on June 15, 2012, 01:46:34 PM
Cool review! I hope the technical playing isn't too over the top, though, as I always love the fact that TFK does great symphonic rock while rarely showing off on their instruments (especially on guitar and keys).

But who is Dennis? ???
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 15, 2012, 01:52:31 PM
Cool review! I hope the technical playing isn't too over the top, though, as I always love the fact that TFK does great symphonic rock while rarely showing off on their instruments (especially on guitar and keys).

But who is Dennis? ???

It's not like Dream Theater, nor is it all over the place all the time. It's just a little more than usual from TFK.

Sorry, that post was copy and pasted from the Prog Archives TFK thead.  :blush I just edited that part out, haha.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Nekov on June 18, 2012, 07:39:32 AM
Just finishing my first listen and this album is great. I think they went back to an older TFK sound than what they've been doing in the last 2 or 3 albums. I will give this a couple more spins today
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: obscure on June 18, 2012, 07:57:49 AM
Loving this album!!!

My review...

......This time, they have put together a truly old school production together. It appears that they have found old, tube equipment and went for that very natural, very beautiful analogue sound. Stolt, on their website, says (and I quote) “We aimed for the classic big warm vinyl-sound of old records by Queen, Genesis, Zeppelin or Deep Purple.”

I believe that worked beautifully!

The classic line-up now has the addition of the new German drummer Felix Lehrmann   – who is a very good choice as you will see, Lehrmann adds to the atmosphere of each and every tune.

The opening track in particular is one of the greatest epic pieces I have ever heard by them with a really high replay value. As the die-hard fans might expect we are witnessing perfect utilization of band’s one of the strongest assets; contrasting voices of Stolt and Fröberg.  Call and response sections scattered around are brilliant!

Stolt’s guitar work stands out as it always does, but with subsequent listens the great melding of the awesome keys, bass, and drums unveil its beauty… The instruments were mixed clearly and cleanly, and each one has their spotlight time… There’s a great balance between beautiful melodies and complex instrumental sections…

Like I said, the album opens gracefully with a masterful epic… and we all know that they have a knack for epics…

However, Numbers is slightly different than all other TFK epics… definitely has something a little bit unusual about it. It is a very solid epic blending some innovative ideas harmonically on the contemporary side of the band’s own spectrum and it definitely works very well!

The tune is a hefty 25:30 minutes long with its mood maintained high thanks to the multiple varied sections and of course, as you might expect, its pace, vibe and feel keeps changing, gets jazzy in the middle and blues-y at the end…

Stolt’s guitars and vocals follow before a brilliant bridge by Fröberg’s deep, emotional and velvety voice.

Melodic, catchy, soft, dark, heavy, touchy, emotionally-charged… Just perfect…  One of the high points of the album followed by layered vocals in brilliant mix.

With the guitars, brilliant riffs here and there, the tune smoothly flows from poppy into proggy. Then comes Stolt again…

The tune picks you up, drops you down and make you feel all black and blue – it is impossible not to love it.

It fades out and suddenly silence reigns… and comes back with completely different vibe, soft, relaxing and laid back. Keyboards create an impressive atmosphere and the instruments here… God! The unison is an immediate win!

Then a heavy and darker atmosphere rises with the song flowing into the dramatic section. The tune you listen up to this point, what is essentially a poppy and beautiful song, evolves into so much more after the following sections with creative and inventive, fills, decorations, flourishes that constantly go on until the end…

Again a fade out and then in – going back to the main, killer melody. Stolt starts singing, serene and calm – and Fröberg chimes in taking over the lead and they start singing in a double melody… So deep… Amazing vocal harmonies – I don’t think it is possible to better utilize the contrast between the two voices. It is astounding!

If you have listened to the song up to here with all your attention, you must be consumed by now. But don’t think there is an easy way out – they are not done with you yet…

Think of the song in three acts and we are at the end of the second act yet.  Another twist comes with a fast paced section where musicianship is shining. The guitar solo and the bass lines are mind blowing.

The whole brilliant experience is tidied up with a darker version of the main melody leaving you exhausted and done for… Yet feeling much better for it.

It basically prods, shoves, pulls your soul this way and that before letting you fall into the void at its wake… When the song was done with me (yes), I had the urge to give a standing ovation!

This song has so much in it… It is full of complexity hence not the easiest to follow. With each listen you can spot another tasty musical experience…

I’m sure there is a specific “story” that was the seed of these lyrics – but, even though I’m sure it would be as futile as trying to analyse great poetry of masters, these lyrics make me think of a moment in life when you think you are happy on a personal level but it is just a high point in the cycle the humanity as a whole has been living through. There is fear and a sort of certainty that our perceived times of calm will go through storms all over again.

As I said, this might be far off the mark but the depth of the lyrics is such that they can make you feel different things with each read.

The most colourful song on the album, Pandemonium starts off with a super-dynamic and uplifting mood and evokes warm feelings right away… It’s the first song that caught my “eye” with its multiple mood changes, variations, ups and downs, highs and lows, fantastic keyboard driven moments and thoroughly proficient and soulful guitar work, and the brilliant instrumental outro. And of course, the very catchy melody…
After the low and deep, robotic Stolt vocals comes the higher notes delivered by Fröberg.  As I said earlier, the contrast in the two musicians’ styles and voices yield the perfect harmony.
You know those songs, when you hear them doing entirely different a thing, it makes you stop and listen, wonder what the song is called… This one is one of those. I was enthralled by the extremely engaging bridge written by Stolt and delivered by Fröberg… Seriously, this song has some of the best moments in the album… The tone of the keys and Fröberg’s voice  are in great harmony… The tune has a warm colour… Fröberg voice is playing an important role in creating the special mood that I love about this album.

For Those About to Drown drowns you in a torrent of infectious key lines by Bodin and some very tasty bass lines by Reingold. Stolt’s low vocals are building into a brilliant, uplifting, hook-driven chorus delivered by Fröberg again… You will sing along to this song… Resistance is futile  :)

The tune has one of the best examples of perfectly placed high-low vocals and reminds me of Waters-Gilmour interplays… Just like harmony and contrast of colours in an impressionist painting – all the while the instruments bringing the atmosphere to a deliciously choking density, thickness with layers and layers of instrumentation. The instrumental section where Tomas’ keys follow Stolt’s soulful guitar-lead is like chocolate with cognac!

The vocal mix – well, all of the channels for that matter – is just impeccable. Nothing dissolves into the background and nothing stomps anything else to the ground. They all work brilliantly together in a great harmony… I’m thinking, I think we have the analogue recording coupled with their extremely capable expertise in sound to thank for this.

Stolt’s proficiency with his guitar comes through… and songwriting is amazing as well. He doesn’t seem to be running out of ideas anytime soon.

It would be a shame to miss this one out!



Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 18, 2012, 10:22:42 AM
"Numbers" is powerful. I'm starting to get certain sections stuck in my head. Listening to Banks Of Eden again, I think the 4th time. This might be the best listen so far, as I'm finally starting to notice the little subtleties and transitions.

There's this part a little after the 7:00 minute mark in "Numbers". Anyone get an Opeth vibe?
And then it gets to the demonic part, then to the "Down, down down" part. Man, that one minute
of music is amazing. Chills down my spine!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on June 18, 2012, 12:58:16 PM
On my first listen now! :tup :tup

Just passed the "Down, down, down" section of Numbers, and, I swear, that sounds right out of Roine's Wall Street Voodoo solo album.  Especially the way he sings and the vocal effect.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 18, 2012, 01:14:02 PM
^ Enjoy Kev!  :tup

BoE has made me want to revisit TFK. I wanted to listen to one with Zoltan, as new drummer Felix is similar as he is a jazz/fusion drummer too. So I decided to go with Adam & Eve, because Ive listened to the other 2 Zoltan albums a million times. I gotta say, A&E is blowing me away!  :heart
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on June 18, 2012, 01:16:24 PM
Yeah, this drummer is definitely very similar to Zoltan in sound and style.  The production sounds terrific so far, too.

Numbers was pretty interesting.  It'll definitely take a few listens to grasp it.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 18, 2012, 01:22:43 PM
Maybe my copy will be in my mailbox when I get home tonight  :coolio
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 18, 2012, 01:32:46 PM
Yeah, this drummer is definitely very similar to Zoltan in sound and style.  The production sounds terrific so far, too.

Numbers was pretty interesting.  It'll definitely take a few listens to grasp it.

Numbers gets better with every listen. It's my favorite piece of music on BoE right now, but the epics always stand out on TFK albums. To be honest, I think the last song on the bonus disc "LoLines" is better than a lot of what's on the main disc, which is all killer, no filler as it is.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on June 18, 2012, 01:34:24 PM
Well, as usual with most of the newer TFK albums, on my first listen, I am thinking that Froberg is singing too much and Roine not enough :lol, so that is the usual hurdle I am gonna have to get over. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 18, 2012, 01:40:18 PM
After 4 listens, I think Roine and Hasse sing about equal amounts of time, though Roine might have more vocals on the bonus disc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 18, 2012, 02:13:48 PM
I've got the new Hasse Froberg disc to listen to so I don't care how much he sings on this one  :lol
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 18, 2012, 02:20:25 PM
I've got the new Hasse Froberg disc to listen to so I don't care how much he sings on this one  :lol

How is it? I'm curious to hear how it is. I know it's on Spotify, but I haven't checked it out yet.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 18, 2012, 02:25:12 PM
I love both of his albums.  This new one "Powerplay" is even better than the first one. 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 18, 2012, 03:10:26 PM
I love both of his albums.  This new one "Powerplay" is even better than the first one.

What's the style like? I have solo albums by Roine and Tomas, which are for the most part, closely related in style to TFK.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: obscure on June 18, 2012, 04:57:08 PM
I'd say prog + AOR... good one indeed...

For more info...  my interview with Hasse (http://www.ladyobscure.com/portfolio/hasse-froberg-interview-audio/)

a lil long tho... guy loves to talk... well yeah me too  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on June 18, 2012, 09:30:44 PM
After 4 listens, I think Roine and Hasse sing about equal amounts of time, though Roine might have more vocals on the bonus disc.

After two listens, that sounds about right. 

For the Love of Gold definitely has the catchiest vocal melodies thus far, and Illuminati is a sweet instrumental.  Rising the Imperial also sounded nice.  Still working on the rest...
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on June 18, 2012, 10:45:40 PM
Can't wait to get the new album this weekend! I'm tempted to stream it but I kind of want to have the physical product.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 19, 2012, 09:33:03 AM
It's still all sinking in for me, but I decided to listen to Numbers by itself last night, and man, it just gets better every time. I like For The Love Of Gold, it's a little reminiscent of Yes, and TFK's own song, The Chicken Farmer Song.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 19, 2012, 11:03:57 AM
My impatience made me buy the MP3 download from Amazon.com this morning.  What the hell, the band will get a little extra from me since I ordered the special edition CD from their website already, but I was dying to hear it.  I've been through it once and I know this is going to become one of my favorites.

Is it just me or is this the best production ever on an album from these guys?   :eek
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on June 19, 2012, 12:01:22 PM
I like For The Love Of Gold, it's a little reminiscent of TFK's own song, The Chicken Farmer Song.

Eh?  I don't hear that at all. ???

Is it just me or is this the best production ever on an album from these guys?   :eek

Too early to tell, but it does sound really good.  I'll have to wait till I have time to crank it up on my stereo to tell for sure.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 19, 2012, 02:08:11 PM
(http://oi50.tinypic.com/28i9p46.jpg)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 19, 2012, 02:36:30 PM
Who is he playing with now? 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 19, 2012, 02:44:57 PM
Who is he playing with now?

As far as I know, he has his own jazz group called the Zoltan Czorsz Trio. I assume they tour.

Here's their myspace.
http://www.myspace.com/zoltancsrsztrio (http://www.myspace.com/zoltancsrsztrio)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: ronrule on June 19, 2012, 02:49:28 PM
The drumming is incredible on this, but the production on the drums is a little dry for my tastes. 2nd listen starting now... :)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 19, 2012, 02:50:05 PM
Second listen, it's getting better and better  :hat
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 19, 2012, 03:30:22 PM
4th listen was the best one so far.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on June 20, 2012, 12:10:56 AM
Who is he playing with now?

As far as I know, he has his own jazz group called the Zoltan Czorsz Trio. I assume they tour.

Here's their myspace.
http://www.myspace.com/zoltancsrsztrio (http://www.myspace.com/zoltancsrsztrio)

People still use myspace?  What bands uses myspace and not facebook and/or twitter nowadays?  Seriously.

Anyway, Numbers is starting to grow on me, and Rising the Imperial is glorious. :coolio
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: obscure on June 20, 2012, 01:06:49 AM
Seriously.. myspace promotion is surprising me too.. I hardly ever check out bands' myspace pages... boring and something of the past....
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 20, 2012, 07:55:58 AM
I don't update my band's MySpace page any more, not worth it, no one cares. 

So, anyway, I had my third listen this morning to "Banks of Eden" at the gym, with my headphones.  I am LOVING the production, the new drummer is excellent and I am pretty sure this album is going to quickly make its way to the top half of my list of TFK albums.

This is the second album in a row they've made with not one track I feel compelled to skip.  :hat
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Nick on June 20, 2012, 09:26:39 AM
It's unfortunate that MySpace went extinct, because it's still 10x better than twitter.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 20, 2012, 09:38:35 AM
The MySpace link for Zoltan's band is all I found on a quick search for samples of their music.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Nick on June 20, 2012, 09:25:38 PM
Busy and thus late to the party, but here is my review of the album:

http://www.wpapu.com/rev065.html
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on June 20, 2012, 09:57:21 PM
It's still waaaaaay too early for me to imagine giving a rating or ranking to this record, but I like it a lot so far.  Seems pretty consistent and a definite upgrade over their last effort. :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on June 20, 2012, 10:09:51 PM
I gave the album a good spin today, and while only 2/3rds of my attention was paid to it, I do have to say it is pretty damn good. It's as good, if not a bit better than The Sum Of No Evil. Definitely well worth the 5-year wait, IMO, and I'm excited to hear what this line-up has to offer in terms of future albums. I recall reading somewhere that Roine plans on going back in the studio this fall/winter for another album. Guess once you get going, you can't stop!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on June 20, 2012, 11:19:06 PM
Jordan Charles Rudess just listened to Banks Of Eden on MOG, as just posted on Facebook. :metal

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 21, 2012, 09:07:32 AM
I've listened to it now 4 times and I really love it.  Not sure if it will top The Sum of No Evil as my favorite just yet, but it might. 

Every track is a winner, and for me that's pretty rare with TFK

Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on June 21, 2012, 09:54:54 AM
It IS pretty consistent, but then again, I think just about every TFK record is consistent from start to finish (except for The Rainmaker, A&E and The Sum of No Evil), so this is no surprise to me. :biggrin:

The question will be, how many, or if any, of these songs will stand out as truly great TFK that I can call one of their best.  The last album was lacking in that area, IMO.  I liked the last five songs, but none of them wowed me to the point where I'd call any of them GREAT TFK tunes. 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 21, 2012, 11:40:14 AM
The interview is pretty cool, they show a lot of the vintage components that were used in recording the album.

Got my package yesterday:

(http://www.kirksnosehair.com/pics/tfk_banks.jpg)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on June 21, 2012, 01:46:17 PM
I still need to watch that, but I still can't get over how icky the new album cover and all of the other artwork associated with it is.  It's just...icky.  But great album covers have never been their thing, anyway...;) :lol
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on June 21, 2012, 01:49:20 PM
Also, I swear that drum intro of LoLines reminds me so much of the beginning of Transatlantic's Lenny Johnson.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 21, 2012, 01:56:31 PM
The artwork is typical Flower Kings, I think. 

As far as the intros to Lenny Johnson and LoLines, they share the similarity that they're both played primarily on the snare drum, but they're in different time signatures, dude  :lol

I guess I can understand how you might thing they sound alike though, they are played at almost the exact same tempo and a very similar duration.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on June 21, 2012, 04:42:56 PM
I reckon.

Also, in redoing my TFK mp3 CDs for my car, I realized that they now have too many songs I like to fit them all on to two full 700 MB max CDs. :eek :eek :eek

So, I decided to break them up into three, while throwing in some of the stuff from side projects and Roine's solo albums:

Disc 1: Back in the World of Adventures, Retropolis, Stardust We Are and Flower Power, plus select tracks from Roine's solo albums The Flower Kings and Hydrophonia
Disc 2: Space Revolver, The Rainmaker and Unfold the Future, plus select tracks from Kaipa's Notes from the Past, all of Kaipa's Keyholder, all of The Tangent's The Music That Died Alone and The Tangent The World That We Drive Through track
Disc 3: Banks of Eden (placed first, as I always put the newest CD by a band first, so it comes up first when popping the CD in), Adam & Eve, Paradox Hotel and The Sum of No Evil, plus select tracks from Karmakanic's first three albums

And there were a few songs here and there from the TFK albums that I left off, simply because there wasn't room for everything, and it was better to lose a few interlude songs that get rid of one "normal" song that I wanted on there: a few of the shorter songs on BITWO and SWA, a few off of Disc 2 of Flower Power, One More Time from TSONE, some of the songs near the end of The Rainmaker, etc. 

 :hat :hat :hat
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 22, 2012, 12:13:21 PM
Listening to BoE again. This time, I am not listening to the bonus disc along with the actual album, so that I can focus just on the main disc. I was starting to feel that BoE is not as good as most of the previous TFK output, but this listening session is making me think this might be a top 3 TFK album. I think listening to the bonus songs right after BoE brings the album down, so I will now keep the 2 separate from now on. I like the bonus songs by themselves, but not part of the album proper.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 22, 2012, 12:18:37 PM
Kevin, no "Mindrevolutions" by Kaipa?   :eek   
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on June 22, 2012, 12:22:02 PM
I never bothered checking out Mindrevolutions considering reviews for it across the board were not that great.  Looking at both PA and RYM, it looks to be their lowest-rated album of the five newer ones.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 22, 2012, 01:03:31 PM
I guess I need to check out Angling Feelings and In The Wake of Evolution, I never got around to those two.  I thought Mindrevolutions was pretty decent, but nowhere near the perfection of Keyholder, which I consider a masterpiece.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Nick on June 22, 2012, 02:54:41 PM
Huzzah. Bought the 1 disc edition and got shipped the 2 disc edition.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 23, 2012, 12:43:29 PM
Sweet deal!

Before BoE came out, I asked my local record shop if they were going to have the special edition in stock. They said they were only ordering the single disc version, they even said that they had the single disc edition they day I found out they had it on the shelves. When I got there, they ONLY had the special edition, there was no single edition in sight.

This also reminds me, Ive never seen a copy of the single disc version of The Whirlwind either... Interesting.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: pain of occupation on June 23, 2012, 10:55:05 PM
so far, the only track ive really really gotten into is Going Up. probably havent given it a fair shake yet, though.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 24, 2012, 05:27:54 AM
Like most TFK albums, this album didn't really start to click with me until about the 4th listen.   Definitely a grower.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 25, 2012, 11:13:59 AM
I finally got a chance to listen to BoE in the car yesterday, and it was great. I got into Numbers so hard (always love music in the car, I can just blast it). The epic is great for air-drumming. Good album to drive to, as most of TFK's music is, imo.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 25, 2012, 11:50:32 AM
Nice review of "Banks of Eden" on Ytsejam.com  (http://www.ytsejam.com/modules.php?name=Reviews&rop=showcontent&id=2102)


And he loves the artwork, like me  :hat
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on June 25, 2012, 09:38:24 PM
So far, I pretty much like all of the non-epic songs quite a bit (which is all of them but Numbers :lol).

As for Numbers, it sounds good, but I am starting to wonder if it will ever rise up enough for me to call it great.  I know, I know, it has only been a week, but I am just spitballing here.  A friend and I were talking about it the other day (he is as big a TFK fan as I am, and our tastes when it comes to them are usually pretty similar), and we both agreed that Numbers might end up being similar to The Truth Will Set You Free and Love Is the Only Answer: good songs, but so long that it is hard to justify dedicating that many minutes to them on a regular basis when they have other songs of similar long length that are significantly better (I Am the Sun, Stardust We Are, Devil's Playground, etc.), especially once we get past the phase of listening to the album from start to finish, which is normal to do a lot when a CD is first out.  Time will tell...
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 26, 2012, 09:11:01 AM
I think it's a concept album and really other than the bonus tracks, I consider it a complete piece, to be listened to as a whole.  With that in mind, I think Numbers is great  :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: obscure on June 26, 2012, 10:34:40 AM
masterpiece!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 26, 2012, 10:52:48 AM
I think it's a concept album and really other than the bonus tracks, I consider it a complete piece, to be listened to as a whole.  With that in mind, I think Numbers is great  :tup

Yes! I know what you mean. Besides the fact that I almost always listen to TFK albums straight through, if you listen carefully, the "Imperial" theme is all over Numbers of course, it's also in For The Love Of Gold, Pandemonium, and Rising The Imperial. So musically, it could be seen as a concept album. Thing is, almost all their albums are concept albums  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on June 26, 2012, 11:50:50 AM
This doesn't strike me as any more of a concept album than Stardust We Are or Paradox Hotel, both of which have recurring musical themes dotted throughout the album as well. 

So far, I think my favorite songs are Pandemonium and LoLines, but that could change from day to day. :)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 26, 2012, 12:13:42 PM
Right, that's what I was saying. Maybe because of the condensed nature of BoE, it is more noticeable.

BTW, I'm listening to Flower Power for the first time in almost 3 months, and I'm just  :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 26, 2012, 02:32:45 PM
Why don't people like Magic Pie? I think it's a great song. I like Hasse's vocals on that one.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 26, 2012, 03:43:11 PM
Why don't people doesn't Kevin like Magic Pie? I think it's a great song. I like Hasse's vocals on that one.


It's one of my favorite tracks ever by TFK.   :tup



Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: pain of occupation on June 26, 2012, 04:36:19 PM
just read nick's review.  :tup it slays that other one, linked.

perhaps nick's review skills are matched only by his interview skills.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on June 26, 2012, 10:23:50 PM
BTW, I'm listening to Flower Power for the first time in almost 3 months, and I'm just  :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy

Flower Power is nothing short of incredible.  I still remember being in awe the first few times I listened to the first three tracks of Disc 1.  :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy

Why don't people like Magic Pie? I think it's a great song. I like Hasse's vocals on that one.

I just listened to it, to see if I was missing something.  Okay, it is better than I remember.  Hasse's vocals are mostly really good, but as usual, he tends to have a line here and line there that just sounds a bit too wimpy (like having a line sang with a lot of range, but not enough sheer power), and that is sometimes a turnoff for me in songs he sings, although nothing can ever top the absolute wussiness of Starlight Man's chorus. :lol :lol  It's why I always prefer it when Roine sings.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: pain of occupation on June 27, 2012, 08:54:46 PM
last time i made an inquiry in this thread i got shutout, so im hesitant to even ask, but...

can one of you TFK-heads come up with a comprehensive list off all the TFK instrumentals? i own nearly everything theyve released after going apeshit with purchases last summer/autumn, but i only 'know' approximately half the material.  i am looking to make a playlist of their instrumentals to spin at a friend's place (though it'll be nice to have for myself as well).

i'll give a massage to anyone gracious enough to help. no guarantee on a happy ending, however.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Nick on June 27, 2012, 09:54:12 PM
just read nick's review.  :tup it slays that other one, linked.

perhaps nick's review skills are matched only by his interview skills.

I admittedly haven't read the YtseJam one, but I thank you very much for the compliments, and appreciate you taking the time to read it even well after the album has been out.

As for the latter bit, I was actually going to interview Roine but unfortunately due to the time zone difference we weren't able to work out a good time.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on June 27, 2012, 11:28:46 PM
last time i made an inquiry in this thread i got shutout, so im hesitant to even ask, but...

can one of you TFK-heads come up with a comprehensive list off all the TFK instrumentals? i own nearly everything theyve released after going apeshit with purchases last summer/autumn, but i only 'know' approximately half the material.  i am looking to make a playlist of their instrumentals to spin at a friend's place (though it'll be nice to have for myself as well).

i'll give a massage to anyone gracious enough to help. no guarantee on a happy ending, however.

From the regular albums (not counting any bonus songs), with the best and most definitive ones bolded:

Atomic Prince/Kaleidoscope
Oblivion Road
Theme for a Hero
Temple of the Snakes (transitional piece)
The Wonder Wheel
Retropolis
Romancing the City (piano only, and works very well when combined with The Melting Pot)
The Melting Pot
Retropolis by Night
Flora Majora
A Room with a View (piano only)
Poor Mr. Rain's Ordinary Guitar (should be combined with the next one)
The Man Who Walked with Kings
Crying Clown (transitional piece)
Pipes of Peace (keyboards only)
A Day at the Mall (transitional interlude/intro)
If 28 (piano only)
Hotel Nirvana (transitional piece)
Daw (God intro - would not sound right on its own)
Attack of the Monster Briefcase
Mr. Hope Goes to Wall Street

The Mean Machine
Dungeon of the Deep (does have some choir vocals, but that is it)
Sunny Lane
Gardens Revisited
Shadowland

Captain Capstan
Ikea by Night/Astral Dog (no reason to not combine these two, considering the former is a 4-second drum intro)
Power of Kindness
Hudson River Sirens Call 1998
Afterlife
Rumble Fish Twist
The Rainmaker
Blessing of a Smile
Red Alert
Christianopel
Soul Vortex
The Devil's Danceschool
Too Late for Tomatos
Babylon

Days Gone By (piano only, and is basically the outro for A Vampire's View)
The Blade of Cain (not technically an instrumental, since there are some vocals at the end, but those are merely Love Supreme reprises)
Pioneers of Aviation
The Unorthodox Dancing Lesson
Flight 999 (Brimstone Air)


If you did a playlist of all of the songs I bolded there, it would be most excellent. :)


Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 28, 2012, 12:18:41 PM
Wow, that list makes me realize how many instrumentals they have. Doesn't seem like that when you listen to the albums.

btw, Banks of Eden is amazing. It's 5 out of 5 stars for me. One of the best albums of 2012. It's been getting some pretty favorable reviews online, even at ProgArchives who are usually pretty critical when it comes to a new TFK album. Even people who don't listen to TFK have been checking out BoE.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on June 28, 2012, 12:25:21 PM
Wow, that list makes me realize how many instrumentals they have. Doesn't seem like that when you listen to the albums.


I thought that exact same thing.  And the great majority of them are on the first four albums, and considering around Flower Power/Space Revolver was when Froberg's role was expanded, it makes you wonder if Roine has either intentionally wrote more songs with vocals in mind or if he wrote more back in the day since he didn't have confidence in his voice to carry an album full of all songs with him singing.  Probably the former.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on June 28, 2012, 10:48:20 PM


btw, Banks of Eden is amazing. It's 5 out of 5 stars for me. One of the best albums of 2012. It's been getting some pretty favorable reviews online, even at ProgArchives who are usually pretty critical when it comes to a new TFK album. Even people who don't listen to TFK have been checking out BoE.

To touch on this, check out these reviews by Sean Trane at Prog Archives:

Of Flower Power:

Quote
As they keep putting out important (the understatement of the century , let alone the millenium) quantities of music (the previous and following will be double CD also) , one wonders what the point is to putting one hour numbers going in all direction (especially when this goes nowhere),mindless soloing and doubtful concept .
I rented out this album , and to my great distress was simply unable to go through the entirity of it as almost every single note appears to be either redundant or lifted from a classic album.

As with most of TFK albums, this is for people who have yet to built discernement . Youger progheards will likely not agree with me, but once you have heard thousands of prog albums and put them in the historical perspective, you should see this relatively easily.

Of Stardust We Are:
Quote
Some of my friends rated this along with the Lamb on Broadway when it came out and I told to listen better and most of them never play this anymore , of course this only applies to the crusty old timers that we are , as most other young people did make this their Holy Grail. I sometimes wonder if the FK was not setting the goal at making the lengthiest tracks possible . In the following years they will put out many other fully filled double Cds full of fillers , lenghty directionless "jams "( lack of more precise word as this were not jams per se) , making for an incredible output in quantity but not quality. This is only an opinion and is not aimed at hurting anybody, artist or fans.

Of Space Revolver:
Quote
Read my other F K critics as I don't like to repeat myself. But I will have to find something to write if my opinion (which nobody cares for anyway ;-) is to be seen - are we at fifty words yet?
Again , with this album TFK repeats their musical props without changing much of their previous formula. There is of course a solid dose of hard work that going into such an album , (which are finely crafted too and have many positive qualities to their works) >> but I am afraid it is all lost on me. Every single note appears to have been heard in different albums scattered through the prog giants of the 70's.

All kidding aside and not wanting to hurt anybody's feelings but my opinion is: spend your hard earned cash on other Swedish groups that are more worthy of your support.

Shall I go on? :lol

And that guy is a COLLABORATOR on that site, meaning his reviews carry the most weight (twice as much as the average reviewers) when it comes to ratings and such.  What a joke that is. The guy doesn't even review the albums; he takes a new TFK album as an excuse to rip the band and give them 1 star.  I'll bet he doesn't even really listen to them.  And they let that guy be a collaborator!  Yet another reason why their ratings and their silly top 100 should never be taken seriously.


Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: pain of occupation on June 29, 2012, 02:08:51 AM
Kev! youre my hero; thanx for the list. knowing half the material, and actively thinkin bout it, i knew it was gonna be intense.


Dungeon of the Deep (does have some choir vocals, but that is it)

The Blade of Cain (not technically an instrumental, since there are some vocals at the end, but those are merely Love


thanx for including. beforehand, i had thought to bring up such inclusions but forgot...you read my mind.


Babylon[/b]
Days Gone By (piano only, and is basically the outro for A Vampire's View)


ive always seen Babylon being Cosmic Circus' outro similarly to Days Gone By as A Vampire's View's outro. i love how they did transitions after both them songs. the 4 tracks go together so nicely.


From the regular albums (not counting any bonus songs), with the best and most definitive ones bolded:

Too Late for Tomatos


im interested in any other bonus tracks not mentioned. i know the one's from Adam & Eve bonus disc (so good! - different side of the band). surely there arent a bunch more(?!)

again, thanx dude...that took some effort.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 29, 2012, 08:49:44 AM
Wow, that list makes me realize how many instrumentals they have. Doesn't seem like that when you listen to the albums.


I thought that exact same thing.  And the great majority of them are on the first four albums, and considering around Flower Power/Space Revolver was when Froberg's role was expanded, it makes you wonder if Roine has either intentionally wrote more songs with vocals in mind or if he wrote more back in the day since he didn't have confidence in his voice to carry an album full of all songs with him singing.  Probably the former.


Over the years I have really grown to appreciate Roine's voice.  I used to hate it  :lol   But it's grown on me considerably.  One of the things that I really like about TFK is the contrast between Roine's vocals and Hasse's vocals.  And of course their voices blend incredibly well on the harmonies. 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on June 29, 2012, 09:27:50 AM
  thanx dude...that took some effort.

No problemo.  And I forgot that Too Late for Tomatos was technically a bonus track; I guess I forgot since it is a part of the CD instead of being on a bonus CD.  But I'd still include it.  :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 29, 2012, 10:23:09 AM


btw, Banks of Eden is amazing. It's 5 out of 5 stars for me. One of the best albums of 2012. It's been getting some pretty favorable reviews online, even at ProgArchives who are usually pretty critical when it comes to a new TFK album. Even people who don't listen to TFK have been checking out BoE.

To touch on this, check out these reviews by Sean Trane at Prog Archives:

Of Flower Power:

Quote
As they keep putting out important (the understatement of the century , let alone the millenium) quantities of music (the previous and following will be double CD also) , one wonders what the point is to putting one hour numbers going in all direction (especially when this goes nowhere),mindless soloing and doubtful concept .
I rented out this album , and to my great distress was simply unable to go through the entirity of it as almost every single note appears to be either redundant or lifted from a classic album.

As with most of TFK albums, this is for people who have yet to built discernement . Youger progheards will likely not agree with me, but once you have heard thousands of prog albums and put them in the historical perspective, you should see this relatively easily.

Of Stardust We Are:
Quote
Some of my friends rated this along with the Lamb on Broadway when it came out and I told to listen better and most of them never play this anymore , of course this only applies to the crusty old timers that we are , as most other young people did make this their Holy Grail. I sometimes wonder if the FK was not setting the goal at making the lengthiest tracks possible . In the following years they will put out many other fully filled double Cds full of fillers , lenghty directionless "jams "( lack of more precise word as this were not jams per se) , making for an incredible output in quantity but not quality. This is only an opinion and is not aimed at hurting anybody, artist or fans.

Of Space Revolver:
Quote
Read my other F K critics as I don't like to repeat myself. But I will have to find something to write if my opinion (which nobody cares for anyway ;-) is to be seen - are we at fifty words yet?
Again , with this album TFK repeats their musical props without changing much of their previous formula. There is of course a solid dose of hard work that going into such an album , (which are finely crafted too and have many positive qualities to their works) >> but I am afraid it is all lost on me. Every single note appears to have been heard in different albums scattered through the prog giants of the 70's.

All kidding aside and not wanting to hurt anybody's feelings but my opinion is: spend your hard earned cash on other Swedish groups that are more worthy of your support.

Shall I go on? :lol

And that guy is a COLLABORATOR on that site, meaning his reviews carry the most weight (twice as much as the average reviewers) when it comes to ratings and such.  What a joke that is. The guy doesn't even review the albums; he takes a new TFK album as an excuse to rip the band and give them 1 star.  I'll bet he doesn't even really listen to them.  And they let that guy be a collaborator!  Yet another reason why their ratings and their silly top 100 should never be taken seriously.

Mind if I quote you over at PA? I just recently became a collaborator there and Ive been meaning to have those reviews taken down. Those reviews are from when the site was new, so they're short, but yes, he doesn't even talk about the music, he just hates on TFK. Usually his reviews are OK. If I can quote you, it can help in my defense to have those reviews edited/removed.

FYI, though, most members there do not take the top 100 list seriously anyway. We know it's just a popularity contest.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 29, 2012, 11:47:24 AM



Quote
As with most of TFK albums, this is for people who have yet to built [sic] discernement . Youger [sic] progheards [sic] will likely not agree with me, but once you have heard thousands of prog albums and put them in the historical perspective, you should see this relatively easily.


He's heard "thousands of prog albums" so clearly that makes him an expert on what music is objectively good and what music is not objectively good.   ::)




Welcome to the internet, guys.  :lol
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Nick on June 29, 2012, 11:57:34 AM
Of all the things he's said that is actually something I don't take as much issue with. When you've experienced more it can give you a better perspective. Having heard 5 albums and calling 1 of them the greatest album ever doesn't mean jack shit to me, as the sampling size is too small.

That said I don't agree with how he has chosen to wield the weapon of experience in this instance, and simply having experience certainly does not make you automatically correct, as this case demonstrates.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on June 29, 2012, 12:03:07 PM


Mind if I quote you over at PA? I just recently became a collaborator there and Ive been meaning to have those reviews taken down. Those reviews are from when the site was new, so they're short, but yes, he doesn't even talk about the music, he just hates on TFK. Usually his reviews are OK. If I can quote you, it can help in my defense to have those reviews edited/removed.

FYI, though, most members there do not take the top 100 list seriously anyway. We know it's just a popularity contest.

Just leave it anonymous and don't say what forum it came from.  I don't feel like getting into a forum war. :lol

Besides, you could copy and paste the same reviews and make the same general point yourself. ;) :)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 29, 2012, 12:14:04 PM


Mind if I quote you over at PA? I just recently became a collaborator there and Ive been meaning to have those reviews taken down. Those reviews are from when the site was new, so they're short, but yes, he doesn't even talk about the music, he just hates on TFK. Usually his reviews are OK. If I can quote you, it can help in my defense to have those reviews edited/removed.

FYI, though, most members there do not take the top 100 list seriously anyway. We know it's just a popularity contest.

Just leave it anonymous and don't say what forum it came from.  I don't feel like getting into a forum war. :lol

Besides, you could copy and paste the same reviews and make the same general point yourself. ;) :)

Oh yea, I will keep it anonymous. I have the same viewpoints, I would just say something like, other people see his reviews and may immediately be turned off (especially since his reviews are usually the first one for those TFK albums).
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 29, 2012, 02:19:08 PM
Ok, so I brought the issue up over at the PA forums.

If you're interested in following along, go here: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=54797&PID=4557437#4557437 (http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=54797&PID=4557437#4557437)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on June 29, 2012, 11:12:58 PM
Yikes at that discussion from three years ago. :lol

What a tool that guy is.  Like was pointed out, nobody cares that he doesn't like the band, but you'd think a collaborator would put some actual effort into his reviews.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on June 30, 2012, 08:35:02 PM
On my third listen of the new album. Its getting better and better. At first I thought it was pretty "meh" but its really growing on me. I love Numbers and For The Love of Gold. The bonus tracks are surprisingly good, too.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 02, 2012, 08:32:25 AM
I really think this album is fantastic.  Lots and lots of great melodies that really stay with you after a few listens, and I love that repeated listens are definitely rewarded with all kinds of nooks and crannies. 


I really liked "The Sum of No Evil" as well, but I think "Banks of Eden" is a stronger album.  It seems like maybe they decided to dial back the amount of extended jamming and focused a bit more on creating strong songs. 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 02, 2012, 04:58:33 PM
I'm not going to bother with the new album until I have more fully digested their prior output.

BTW, Stardust We Are is one of the most amazing albums I've ever heard.  I also really liked the first album, Back In The World of Adventure.  I also listened to Adam & Eve, but although some of it was exceptional, there was a lot that didn't do it for me.  Retropolis and Space Revolver are also fantastic.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 03, 2012, 07:54:00 AM
Adam & Eve is a bit of a clunker, although it's got some good stuff on it.  I'm also not too crazy about Paradox Hotel

Roine's solo albums are also worth getting, "Hydroponia" and "The Flower King"





Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Mladen on July 03, 2012, 08:30:39 AM
Prior to Banks of Eden, the only The Flower Kings album I listened to was The Sum of no evil, and I really liked that one. I never had the time and patience to go back to their more popular albums, but I knew I'll check them out at some point. However, recently I decided to give Banks of Eden a listen. Could prog be any more ''just okay'' than this? The melodies are fairly nice, it's a listenable album, but absolutely nothing stood out. It's a shame.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 03, 2012, 11:51:21 AM
After one listen I thought the same thing.


After three listens I thought it was a great album.


Now on my 8th or 9th listen, I'd put it at or near the top of their catalog.


I admit I'm a fanboy, though.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on July 03, 2012, 12:57:19 PM


BTW, Stardust We Are is one of the most amazing albums I've ever heard.  I also really liked the first album, Back In The World of Adventure.  I also listened to Adam & Eve, but although some of it was exceptional, there was a lot that didn't do it for me.  Retropolis and Space Revolver are also fantastic.

 :tup :tup

Prior to Banks of Eden, the only The Flower Kings album I listened to was The Sum of no evil, and I really liked that one. I never had the time and patience to go back to their more popular albums, but I knew I'll check them out at some point. However, recently I decided to give Banks of Eden a listen. Could prog be any more ''just okay'' than this? The melodies are fairly nice, it's a listenable album, but absolutely nothing stood out. It's a shame.

I think the new album is way more than just "just okay," but I think I will have a hard time calling any of the songs one of their best songs.  Don't get me wrong, I like every song quite a bit, and like most of their albums, it is very consistent, but it doesn't have those two or three songs that just slay me.  Everything is really good, for sure, but just nothing I would call one of their best songs.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 03, 2012, 01:03:32 PM
Honestly, the way I measure their albums is by how many times I have to reach for the skip button.  They've only got three albums that do not compel me to do this often.  And "Banks of Eden" is one of those three.  I like every track, including the bonus tracks.


And I think track "Numbers"  "For The Love of Gold" and "Rising The Imperial" are up there with the best stuff they've ever recorded.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on July 03, 2012, 01:08:24 PM
See, I don't.

An album full of 10 songs that are all 8s won't be as good as an album with 10 songs with eight 9s and 10s and one or two 5s or 6s.

To use another example, I think Opeth's Damnation is amazingly consistent, but I wouldn't call any of those songs one of their best, so I can't call it their best album, even though it might be their most consistent (when talking about consistency from song to song).  Actually, Still Life is probably as consistent, but most or second most, I think most will get my point.

But back to TFK, I can probably count on one hand the number of songs of theirs I flat-out do not care for (and those songs even have some good things in them; they just aren't good enough to make the song likable for me), so almost none of their songs get skipped by me when listening to full albums as opposed to when I am listening to them on shuffle. 

Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 03, 2012, 01:11:13 PM
Yeah, for me about half their catalog is instant skip.   Albums like Unfold the Future, for example, end up being about one good CD worth of music for me.  The rest....meh


The good stuff is beyond stellar, though.  I haven't seen them live 5 times for nothing!  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on July 03, 2012, 01:21:47 PM
Oh, I don't think this was posted here, but the set list from that show they did in Sweden a few weeks back was:

Paradox Hotel
Last Minute on Earth
In the Eyes of the World
The Truth Will Set You Free
Babylon
What if God Was Alone
Stardust We Are (Part 3 only)
There Is More to This World
I Am the Sun

This was before the release of Banks of Eden, hence them not playing anything from it, but I thought it was interesting that most of the songs that were played were ones that often got played in the years before their hiatus.  Once they start touring regularly here shortly, hopefully they will take advantage of their massive catalogue and start playing some different songs instead of the same old, same old, plus a bunch of new ones.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 03, 2012, 01:36:00 PM
Wow, that's a similar set list to what they did when they were touring for UTF.  I hope they come to the states again soon.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on July 03, 2012, 01:38:50 PM
The only album I ever feel like skipping tracks is Stardust We Are, on disc 2. Somewhere after Don Of The Universe, I get antsy to skip to the title track, as I'm not the biggest fan of the poppier stuff that's there like Different People, etc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on July 04, 2012, 01:15:28 PM
I can see getting antsy to hear Stardust We Are, but I absolutely adore both Different People and Ghost of the Red Cloud.  In fact, I remember being absolutely ecstatic when they played it when I saw them in Chicago back in late '06.  Set list for that show was:

Paradox Hotel
Hit Me with a Hit
Psycedelic Postcard
Hudson River Sirens Call
Jealousy
What If God Is Alone?
Just This Once
Pioneers of Aviation
Touch My Heaven
Mommy, Leave the Light On
End on a High Note
World of Adventures/Silent Sorrow
I Am the Sun
Life Will Kill You

Ghost of the Red Cloud
The Flower King

Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on July 12, 2012, 12:04:09 PM
Listening to The Rainmaker, it pains me to put The Rainmaker at the bottom of the TFK album list every time. I enjoy it so much.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 12, 2012, 12:24:45 PM
That was my first TFK album and I still have a soft spot for it.  :hat
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on July 20, 2012, 12:29:33 PM
So, TFK fans, how do you think their discography stacks up against Dream Theater's?  Since both have 11 studio albums, this is an easy project!

Album vs Album (with my preference in bold):

Back in the World of Adventures vs When Dream and Day Unite
Retropolis vs Images and Words
Stardust We Are vs Awake
Flower Power
vs Falling into Infinity
Space Revolver vs Scenes from a Memory
The Rainmaker vs Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
Unfold the Future vs Train of Thought
Adam and Eve vs Octavarium
Paradox Hotel vs Systematic Chaos
The Sum of No Evil vs Black Clouds & Silver Linings
Banks of Eden vs A Dramatic Turn of Events

Looks like a 6-5 edge for Dream Theater.  In the mid 00s, TFK had overtaken DT on my all-time list, but DT might be edging past them again.  I think TFK's least best albums are better than DT's least best albums, while I'd give DT the slight edge on the best albums being better (DT would have 3 in my top 25, while TFK would only have 2).  Plus, DT has the nostalgic edge as I have been listening to them far longer (1992 vs. 2000), not to mention the huge edge in non-studio album material (A Change of Seasons, FII b-sides, etc.) and more live DVDs to enjoy.  But it is close, and both bands are comfortably in my all-time top 5. :coolio
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: obscure on July 20, 2012, 01:27:28 PM
sorry if post before.... I'm just speechless

The Flower Kings live at Night of the Prog at Loreley (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vRNyzHAkqY)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 20, 2012, 01:39:37 PM
Cool idea, Kevin, I'll play.....


Back in the World of Adventures vs When Dream and Day Unite
Retropolis vs Images and Words
Stardust We Are vs Awake
Flower Power vs Falling into Infinity
Space Revolver vs Scenes from a Memory
The Rainmaker vs Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
Unfold the Future vs Train of Thought
Adam and Eve vs Octavarium (tie, I dislike both evenly)
Paradox Hotel vs Systematic Chaos
The Sum of No Evil vs Black Clouds & Silver Linings
Banks of Eden vs A Dramatic Turn of Events (tie, I like both evenly)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on July 20, 2012, 02:38:13 PM
The Flower King vs The Majesty Demos
Back In The World of Adventures vs When Dream And Day Unite
Retropolis vs Images And Words (TIE)
Stardust We Are vs Awake
Flower Power vs Falling Into Infinity (TIE)
Space Revolver vs Scenes From A Memory
The Rainmaker vs Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
Unfold The Future vs Train of Thought
Adam & Eve vs Octavarium
Paradox Hotel vs Systematic Chaos
The Sum Of No Evil vs Black Clouds & Silver Linings (TIE)
Banks Of Eden vs A Dramatic Turn Of Events

TFK - 5
DT - 4
Ties - 3

TFK wins by 1!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: pain of occupation on July 20, 2012, 08:08:07 PM
Adam and Eve vs Octavarium (tie, I dislike both evenly)

 :omg: :omg: :omg:

a top 2 TFK for me vs a standout DT album (in its uniqueness AND awesomeness)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on July 20, 2012, 11:38:46 PM
The Flower King vs The Majesty Demos
Back In The World of Adventures vs When Dream And Day Unite
Retropolis vs Images And Words
Stardust We Are vs Awake
Flower Power vs Falling Into Infinity
Space Revolver vs Scenes From A Memory
The Rainmaker vs Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
Unfold The Future vs Train of Thought
Adam & Eve vs Octavarium
Paradox Hotel vs Systematic Chaos
The Sum Of No Evil vs Black Clouds & Silver Linings (TIE)
Banks Of Eden vs A Dramatic Turn Of Events

Octavarium the song is better than all of Adam & Eve, and I found it difficult to choose between Paradox Hotel and Systematic Chaos, as they're in my bottom 3 for both bands, but I think I appreciate PH a lot more than SC, and PH is still growing on me, so I chose that.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on July 25, 2012, 10:32:55 AM
You know what TFK record doesn't get talked about nearly enough? 

Retropolis. 

Seriously, that is easily one of their two or three best single albums; flawless from start to finish.  Okay, the 29-second Rhythm of Life opener is a bit out there :lol, but once the title track, one of the most epic prog instrumentals ever, kicks in, it is one helluva ride. :coolio
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on July 25, 2012, 12:44:21 PM
Retropolis was the last TFK studio album I got (not counting BoE), after a year and a half or so of collecting their albums, so while I have listened to it at least a few times, it hasn't had a chance to settle in my mind, and it was purchased at a time when I hit TFK overload, so I can't recall most of it. Every time I feel like listening to TFK, I make sure I try and put that one on, because it's my least familiar album.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: pain of occupation on July 25, 2012, 03:00:10 PM
Retropolis is the only other album that's reached towards the levels of UTF and A&E for me. there's two tracks that haven't completely won me over, but the rest is so so good. tracks 6 thru 10 are about as good as any 5 song stretch in their catalog that i've been able to find (to be fair, still a few unfamiliar albums).
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 26, 2012, 08:37:00 AM
Adam and Eve vs Octavarium (tie, I dislike both evenly)

 :omg: :omg: :omg:

a top 2 TFK for me vs a standout DT album (in its uniqueness AND awesomeness)


Aside from a few tracks, I never really cared much for Adam & Eve and on the rare occasion that I do listen to Octavarium I really only like about 3 tracks and that does not include the title track, which, to me, just feels like a bunch of random ideas they stitched together....
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 26, 2012, 09:05:35 AM
I'm just now discovering this band, though I've been a longtime fan of Transatlantic. So far, I'm enjoying the new record and also just got Adam & Eve 'cause it was second hand. I know it's not the most critically acclaimed, but it was the only one they had at the store and I do have an affinity for Gildenlol
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on July 26, 2012, 09:19:54 AM
Retropolis was the last TFK studio album I got (not counting BoE), after a year and a half or so of collecting their albums, so while I have listened to it at least a few times, it hasn't had a chance to settle in my mind, and it was purchased at a time when I hit TFK overload, so I can't recall most of it. Every time I feel like listening to TFK, I make sure I try and put that one on, because it's my least familiar album.

I love the fact that so much of Retropolis is instrumental.  Only 5 of the 11 songs have vocals (even if two of the ones that don't are super short), and even better, almost all of the lead vocals are done by Roine Stolt. :)

Retropolis is the only other album that's reached towards the levels of UTF and A&E for me. there's two tracks that haven't completely won me over, but the rest is so so good. tracks 6 thru 10 are about as good as any 5 song stretch in their catalog that i've been able to find (to be fair, still a few unfamiliar albums).

No mention of track 11, The Road Back Home??  I absolutely love that tune; one of my favorites from the early TFK days. :coolio

I'm just now discovering this band, though I've been a longtime fan of Transatlantic. So far, I'm enjoying the new record and also just got Adam & Eve 'cause it was second hand. I know it's not the most critically acclaimed, but it was the only one they had at the store and I do have an affinity for Gildenlol

Unfold the Future is the other TFK record with Gildenlow, but is quite a hurdle to get over (double album, and the first song is 31 minutes), so I wouldn't necessarily get that one next just because it has Gildenlow.  I'd go for some of the other single albums, Space Revolver and Retropolis being the best of the remaining singles.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 26, 2012, 09:53:18 AM
the KevShmev is a wise man  :hat
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on July 26, 2012, 11:43:11 AM
I have my days. :biggrin:

Also, cool interview with Roine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok_-M8AkNko
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: pain of occupation on July 26, 2012, 11:53:56 AM
I love the fact that so much of Retropolis is instrumental.  Only 5 of the 11 songs have vocals (even if two of the ones that don't are super short), and even better, almost all of the lead vocals are done by Roine Stolt. :)

hrrmm. hadnt completely nticed that. maybe has something to do with my like. also, so many of the vocal melodies kill it on this one.

Retropolis is the only other album that's reached towards the levels of UTF and A&E for me. there's two tracks that haven't completely won me over, but the rest is so so good. tracks 6 thru 10 are about as good as any 5 song stretch in their catalog that i've been able to find (to be fair, still a few unfamiliar albums).
No mention of track 11, The Road Back Home??  I absolutely love that tune; one of my favorites from the early TFK days. :coolio

its one of the few that hadnt completely won me over. perhaps the vocal melodies didnt seem as sick and/or something about the buildup/dynamics. i'll give it a spin today and see if i can pinpoint or maybe see if it wins me over.

I'm just now discovering this band, though I've been a longtime fan of Transatlantic. So far, I'm enjoying the new record and also just got Adam & Eve 'cause it was second hand. I know it's not the most critically acclaimed, but it was the only one they had at the store and I do have an affinity for Gildenlol
Unfold the Future is the other TFK record with Gildenlow, but is quite a hurdle to get over (double album, and the first song is 31 minutes), so I wouldn't necessarily get that one next just because it has Gildenlow.  I'd go for some of the other single albums, Space Revolver and Retropolis being the best of the remaining singles.

but...but...but not only is he a DG fanboy, but UTF is also the most universally loved/heralded TFK album!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on July 26, 2012, 12:05:34 PM


but...but...but not only is he a DG fanboy, but UTF is also the most universally loved/heralded TFK album!

It is?  ??? ???

Also, regarding The Road Back Home, I absolutely love the synth solo in the middle of the song; very Tony Banks-esque!!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: pain of occupation on July 26, 2012, 07:43:54 PM
i thought it was. maybe i'm wrong. i was under the impression it made most fans' top 3 TFKalbums lists on this forum.

shit, i still havent gotten round to spinning The Road Back Home today. shall do so shortly.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: pain of occupation on July 26, 2012, 08:23:57 PM
okay. i just gave The Road Back Home a spin. paid all sorts of close attention. first off, it was probably the most ive gotten into it (still winning me over, perhaps). musically, its pretty deadly, save for the ending. it just feels like the grandiose ending wasnt dynamic/grandiose enough. as for the vocal melodies, nothing in the song seemed as strong/catchy as my favorite vocal tracks on the album.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 26, 2012, 08:28:17 PM
HEY.

I'm not a Gildenlow fanboy, and I have plenty of nasty things to say about their last 3 albums and they way he's systematically dismantled the band to recreate it in his own image. But I do like his voice :)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: pain of occupation on July 26, 2012, 08:37:03 PM
sorry, didnt mean to misrepresent you.
i'll double my fanboyism to make up for it.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 26, 2012, 08:41:40 PM
Well, I don't know what's up.

I think you guys must be spoiled by all the great double albums this band have but out, because I am listening to Adam & Eve now and I think it's fantastic.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: pain of occupation on July 26, 2012, 08:52:02 PM
Well, I don't know what's up.

I think you guys must be spoiled by all the great double albums this band have but out, because I am listening to Adam & Eve now and I think it's fantastic.

 :tup just wait til you check out the 2disc version  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 26, 2012, 08:54:52 PM
Oh, so I just spent $10 on half the album. Well, that's annoying.  :yeahright
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on July 26, 2012, 09:02:00 PM
Well, I don't know what's up.

I think you guys must be spoiled by all the great double albums this band have but out, because I am listening to Adam & Eve now and I think it's fantastic.

 :tup just wait til you check out the 2disc version  :hefdaddy

Oh, so I just spent $10 on half the album. Well, that's annoying.  :yeahright

 :rollin

To be fair, the 2-CD version of A&E is a (mostly) rare Japanese version of the album, which includes the bonus tracks from the 2-CD version of The Rainmaker, plus 3 more that were recorded before then (included a track titled "Space Revolver"), so you get 9 tracks total on it. They aren't from the A&E sessions and are quite a bit older than that.

The only TFK albums that AREN'T 2-CDs (in any version) are the first two, Back In The World Of Adventures and Retropolis. Also, there are Japanese versions (bonus tracks) of Flower Power, Space Revolver, and the aforementioned Adam & Eve, while the 2-CD version of The Rainmaker was an InsideOut European digi-book release.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on July 26, 2012, 09:03:53 PM
okay. i just gave The Road Back Home a spin. paid all sorts of close attention. first off, it was probably the most ive gotten into it (still winning me over, perhaps). musically, its pretty deadly, save for the ending. it just feels like the grandiose ending wasnt dynamic/grandiose enough. as for the vocal melodies, nothing in the song seemed as strong/catchy as my favorite vocal tracks on the album.

Hmmm, well, at least you have a new appreciation for it. :)

Oh, so I just spent $10 on half the album. Well, that's annoying.  :yeahright

No, the bonus disc is only about half hour or so of music, most of which isn't as good as the regular disc, so I wouldn't sweat it. 

And glad you are enjoying Adam and Eve! :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: pain of occupation on July 26, 2012, 10:12:14 PM
ya, i kinda misrepresented the A&E album. but that second disc does kick some serious ass. the instrumentals are all cool as fuck, and i'm quite fond of Agent Supreme. its got all the bells and whistles, figuratively and literally. just fun.

nice to hear everyone's in an A&E mood...i love it, but i get the opposite impression on its universal level of appreciation from what i gathered of everyone's views on UTF.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on July 26, 2012, 10:15:19 PM
Well, A&E is definitely a lower tier TFK record for me, but there are definitely some great tunes on there.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on July 26, 2012, 11:41:24 PM
I was talking up Adam & Eve around the time BoE came out, either here or on PA. I love it. Also, if you like Gildenlow's voice, I say, fuck it, and get Unfold the Future. Besides DG on vocals (mostly on disc 2), the album has 2 of their best epics, and another good epic in Silent Inferno. Most of the shorter tracks are very good to amazing.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on July 26, 2012, 11:45:23 PM
Just had a thought... I like TFK's odd-numbered releases more than their even ones...

Evens:
The Flower King
Retropolis
Flower Power
The Rainmaker
Adam & Eve
The Sum Of No Evil

Odds:
Back In The World Of Adventures
Stardust We Are
Space Revolver
Unfold The Future
Paradox Hotel

Banks Of Eden

The bolded ones are the ones I *really* like, and the second group has more that I really like. My Top 3 TFK albums would have to be SWA, UTF and PH, and the "odds" have all three. Weird! Still need to listen more on BOE...

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on July 27, 2012, 12:19:28 AM
Imagine how difficult it would be to rank all of their discs (starting with BITWOA since, for the 883rd time, The Flower King is NOT a TFK record) if you broke all of the double albums up and had to rank the 15 full discs (4 double albums and 7 singles)... :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on July 27, 2012, 07:17:19 AM
Imagine how difficult it would be to rank all of their discs (starting with BITWOA since, for the 883rd time, The Flower King is NOT a TFK record) if you broke all of the double albums up and had to rank the 15 full discs (4 double albums and 7 singles)... :biggrin:

True, not necessarily a TFK "record", but definitely the start of TFK music. Some might not think of the Majesty Demos as a Dream Theater album, but it's the start of Dream Theater music, as was evidenced by their Silver Anniversary being celebrated in 2010 and not 2014.

Either way, ranking 15 discs would be insanely hard, but why would you split up a double album? I never got the point of ranking "Disc 1 against Disc 2", like DT's Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence - a records format shouldn't have any bearing on how it is listened to or ranked. If it were all vinyl, would anyone be asking "how would you rank all 60 sides of TFK music?" :lol

I see 11 albums, not 15 discs, but that's just me. If the format allowed them to fit all their music for one album onto one piece of music medium, then we wouldn't have discussions like "the first disc is better" etc. etc. that many people seem to have with double albums (like The Lamb, The Wall, Snow, Six Degrees, etc.)

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on July 27, 2012, 11:00:45 AM
Not to mention, the double albums have many themes related to each other, FP has the GoD main themes, Stardust has the title track themes, UtF has the jazz improvs and themes from songs in other songs, like the end of Black and White, or The Navigator/Solitary Shell connection. I try to listen to their double albums in one sitting, when possible.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on July 27, 2012, 11:58:41 AM
Oh, I agree with almost everything you guys said, but I just think it would be interesting to take a whack at.  I know that Flower Power Disc 1 would stay number 1 on my list, Unfold the Future Disc 1 would be near the bottom, and I would have a very difficult time deciding which disc I preferred on both Stardust We Are and Paradox Hotel.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on July 27, 2012, 12:02:08 PM
I don't feel like ranking them all right now, but I'll do one of these for the double albums:

SWA1 > SWA2
FP1 > FP2
UtF1 = UtF2
PH1 < PH2
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on July 27, 2012, 02:43:45 PM
I don't feel like ranking them all right now, but I'll do one of these for the double albums:

SWA1 > SWA2
FP1 > FP2
UtF1 = UtF2
PH1 < PH2

Allllmost agree with you, but here's mine:

SWA1 = SWA2
FP1 > FP2
UtF1 = UtF2
PH1 = PH2

PH is just solid throughout, as is SWA, but I agree about FP and UTF.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 27, 2012, 07:14:41 PM
I really love the three track run from "A Vampires View" to "Adam and Eve". Those two songs and the piano interlude between them are all fantastic. And I absolutely love the lyrics.

Haven't really digested the longer pieces on the album yet but I will get to it. 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on July 28, 2012, 12:20:15 AM
Adam and Eve is one of those songs that has some cool things going on and was a good idea, but just wasn't executed as well as it could have been, IMO.  I love the bridge Roine sings in the middle, and a lot of the music is great, but those vocal melodies early on in the song are just hard for me to enjoy more often than not.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: pain of occupation on July 28, 2012, 01:32:20 PM
I really love the three track run from "A Vampires View" to "Adam and Eve". Those two songs and the piano interlude between them are all fantastic. And I absolutely love the lyrics.

Haven't really digested the longer pieces on the album yet but I will get to it.

 :tup nice to see some title track love!!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 29, 2012, 08:44:16 AM
This album continues to grow on me. The opening track is amazing, and Cosmic Circus is beautiful on a sonic level. Just listening with my eyes shut and some decent headphones on, I almost started crying because of how all these different sounds and instruments are intricately but flawlessly put together to create something so grand-sounding. Tomas Bodin is a special keyboardist. All of his arrangements are just so perfect with so much going on. I could listen to the entire album just focused on what he's doing.

I just love this album, though if there is a weakness for me it derives from the fact that "Driver's Seat" just doesn't pay off like the epic that opens the album up. Still, it's not bad at all. I like Adam & Eve much better than the new album so far.

I'm curious, what's the fan-consensus on "A Vampire's View"? I love it, and think it just sounds so good... but it does seem to be an odd-ball for TFK from what I've heard so far.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: pain of occupation on July 29, 2012, 01:47:28 PM
i kinda wouldnt have minded if Driver's Seat had actually been broken into two tracks (which is kinda weird, cuz usually i want multi track songs and intros to songs to be joined into one track).

A Vampire's View is SO good. from what ive gathered, even those people not huge on A&E as a whole still acknowledge the brilliance of A Vampire's View.
I'd love to hear TFK do a few more of these mini-musical type tunes.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on July 29, 2012, 04:07:33 PM
A Vampire's View doesn't seem to be a song that gets talked about a lot, but I like it a lot, which is saying something considering I am not a big Gildenlow fan.  I like the vibe of it a lot, and the solo piano piece at the end of it, Days Gone By, is absolutely gorgeous.

Still glad you are digging A&E, PC! Starlight Man is still the biggest tease ever (great lead guitar line, great verses, but terribly bland chorus), and the title track is a bit of a question mark for me, but the rest is great.  I agree that the payoff in Driver's Seat might not be their best (especially compared to the climaxes of their best epics like GoD, SWA and I Am the Sun), but as a whole, it is still a damn good song.  I like how all three singers sing lead at one point or another. 

And Tomas Bodin is definitely special.  He is hands down one of my favorite rock keyboard players ever. :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: ronrule on August 01, 2012, 04:09:59 PM
I love A&E, the title song, vampires view, Gildenlow (I think my favorite of his with TFK is Fast Lane though)...!

I often skip Love Supreme for some reason...that first set of melody/lyrics is just sounds so awkward to me. And I just love getting to that sugary acoustic 6/8 goodness of Cosmic Circus.

Starlight Man chorus is my cue for some obnoxious air bass playing.  Gotta love "you-KNEE-verse"!

Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: pain of occupation on August 02, 2012, 01:04:05 PM
... I just love getting to that sugary acoustic 6/8 goodness of Cosmic Circus.

gotta love 6. most recent facebook status: Newstrum is obliged to like any song/section in 6/4 or 6/8. 


...New Strum = pain of occupation

also, im spinning cosmic circus as i type.  :hat
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: senecadawg2 on August 02, 2012, 08:32:27 PM
I just got Space Revolver and The Rainmaker. After a couple of listens, I'm really enjoying Space Revolver, and am now about to check out the other. How do these two albums compare to the rest of their discography?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on August 02, 2012, 10:11:14 PM
Most agree that The Rainmaker sits near the bottom of the list, but it is still good.

Space Revolver is usually pretty highly-regarded.  I'd consider it their best single album, and probably their 3rd or 4th best overall. 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on August 03, 2012, 09:18:13 AM
Kev is right.  The Rainmaker is often rated pretty low.  I happen to love that album, probably because it was my first from TFK - it's got some really cool tracks on it.



Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: pain of occupation on August 03, 2012, 09:55:10 AM
ive been meaning to make Space Revolver the next TFK i get into, but i keep feeling daunted by the task for some reason. ive spun track one a shit ton, and think its deadly, but ive only heard bits and pieces of the rest of the album (not even sure ive checked out every track at least once yet).
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on August 03, 2012, 11:03:27 AM
I like The Rainmaker. It has some of the band's best music on there. My least favorite is actually Retropolis. Of course, no TFK album is bad.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on August 12, 2012, 01:00:00 PM
I'm listening to Banks Of Eden, after exactly one month since the last time I listened to it (according to my last.fm), and it sounds just as fresh and exciting. I dare say I'm enjoying it even more now, since I'm more familiar with the music.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on August 12, 2012, 01:25:00 PM
How has BoE been holding up for you guys? How would you rank your favorite songs from it?

I'm just going to rank the main disc. I don't feel I've listened to the bonus disc enough.

Numbers
For The Love of Gold
For Those About To Drown
Rising The Imperial
Pandemonium
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on August 12, 2012, 09:54:47 PM
I still think it's great, but it isn't something I am listening to a lot, which might be a bad sign since I usually go nuts with listening to CDs by my favorite bands when they first come out, especially when I really like them.  For example, Clockwork Angels came out around the same time, and I have only listened to Banks of Eden a fraction of how much I've listened to Clockwork Angels.  And it's not like Clockwork Angels is still dominating my music time to where I can't fit TFK in; I can.  Banks of Eden simply isn't a CD that has grabbed me by the throat and refused to let go.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: pain of occupation on August 13, 2012, 01:18:36 AM
ive been revisiting the new album recently. never did give it that much of a chance when it first came out, as i had quite a few other albums on the go getting in the way. For the Love of Gold has probably emerged for me as THE track of the album.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Icebear on August 18, 2012, 12:02:00 PM
So...

I'm about to see TFK live for the first time since 2007. It's outdoors, it's free and Jonas Reingold seems to be in a good mood. I predict awesomeness.  If they play Stardust We Are, I will confirm said awesomeness.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on August 18, 2012, 12:56:32 PM
I'm pretty sure they're going to play Stardust We Are, in part, or in full. They are playing the new material now, though, so I'm not sure what their set lists are like at this point.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Icebear on August 19, 2012, 01:29:46 AM
...and they did. Fun gig. Roine had a high fever and really had to push through. We got one song from Banks of Eden ("Numbers"), and a bunch of older songs (Last minute on earth, I am the sun, Paradox Hotel, Stardust, to name a few). Felix sounded great!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on August 19, 2012, 05:46:03 AM
I think the new album has held up well.  Still too early for me to rank the tracks, but right now I think "Rising The Imperial" might be my favorite.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: pain of occupation on August 19, 2012, 07:11:46 PM
i was just spinning the new album on the drive home...despite expecting huge things to come this year, being a huge fan of both beardfish and btbam, i think for the love of gold is gonna be stiff competition for song of the year.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on August 31, 2012, 09:11:59 AM
So I am going to see these guys in November but I'm really not familiar with them. I have a lot of listening to do :D
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Bongasti on August 31, 2012, 11:07:21 AM
Same here! I thought it was about time for me to get familiar with these guys, so I got the tickets. I've only yet listened to their latest album, so which one would you guys recommend next?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on August 31, 2012, 02:02:06 PM
Same here! I thought it was about time for me to get familiar with these guys, so I got the tickets. I've only yet listened to their latest album, so which one would you guys recommend next?

Space Revolver.

It sums up most aspects of the band in one album, without being a 2 and a half hour double album. It has one of the band's greatest songs, "I Am The Sun", as well other greats like "Monster Within", "Chicken Farmer Song", "Slave To Money", and "Rumble Fish Twist".

If you're feeling adventurous, I'd say get Unfold the Future, it also has, arguably, the band's greatest epic, "The Truth Will Set You Free" and contains some of the rockiest, jazziest, and more experimental stuff the band has ever made. And it's 2 and a half hours long.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on August 31, 2012, 02:45:25 PM
Same here! I thought it was about time for me to get familiar with these guys, so I got the tickets. I've only yet listened to their latest album, so which one would you guys recommend next?

If you want a single album, Space Revolver or Retropolis.

If you want to get crazy and get a double album, Flower Power, Paradox Hotel or Stardust We Are.

Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on August 31, 2012, 06:21:06 PM
He could honestly pick any album at random and it would probably be a great choice to start with (except The Rainmaker, while good, I don't think it's the best album to start with).
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on October 01, 2012, 07:13:21 PM
So, over 3 months later, how does BOE hold up for everyone?

I haven't given it much time since I got it, and have probably only really listened to it twice. It came out about the same time as Rush's new album so it got pushed to the back burner, and after being on a huge Rush kick for over 2 months, I geared up for the new Neal Morse (which pushed Marillion's new album to the other back burner), and now I am on a Porcupine Tree/Steven Wilson kick... I *will* revisit Banks Of Eden sometime soon!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on October 01, 2012, 10:04:45 PM
That pretty much sounds like me (big Rush phase for most of the summer, and then a PT/SW phase lately).  Looking at my iTunes, I haven't listened to anything from Banks of Eden on it since the middle of August, and I haven't listened to a lick of TFK in the car since then either.  Just not in the mood for them as of late, I guess.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on October 01, 2012, 10:12:19 PM
That pretty much sounds like me (big Rush phase for most of the summer, and then a PT/SW phase lately).  Looking at my iTunes, I haven't listened to anything from Banks of Eden on it since the middle of August, and I haven't listened to a lick of TFK in the car since then either.  Just not in the mood for them as of late, I guess.

For me, TFK have always been a Spring/Summer band - their music just doesn't suit me for the Fall and Winter seasons as much as Spock's Beard/Neal Morse and Porcupine Tree/Steven Wilson do, which have been the bands/artists I have been listening too as of late. Rush is always the Summer rock band I love to listen to, and since their last 3 studio albums have all been released in May, they ruled the summer.

I'm sure once news of new TA hits around the New Year, I'll dive back into some TFK and/or Roine Stolt goodness.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on October 11, 2012, 12:28:55 PM
God, Banks of Eden is SO good! I am so stoked for the concert in three weeks!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: jsem on February 11, 2013, 03:43:43 PM
Time to bump this thread. I only recently started listening to a bit of their material... the albums don't really quite get stuck in my head. Will take multiple listens.

But one this is for sure.... the song Paradox Hotel blew my mind from the first second. It's barely prog, but SOO good.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on February 11, 2013, 03:58:49 PM
Time to bump this thread. I only recently started listening to a bit of their material... the albums don't really quite get stuck in my head. Will take multiple listens.

But one this is for sure.... the song Paradox Hotel blew my mind from the first second. It's barely prog, but SOO good.

Paradox Hotel is a Top 3 TFK album for me, along with Unfold The Future and Stardust We Are.

It was mostly written acoustically, so the songs are very guitar oriented, and there's a lot more of the other members on this album in terms of writing contributions (where as the usual TFK album is nearly all Roine's material). There's a lot of variety on this album, too, which covers a LOT of ground for TFK, both old and (at the time) new. It's also special being that it's the only TFK album with drummer Marcus Liliequist, even though he appeared on Tomas Bodin's solo albums I AM and YOU ARE and Roine's solo album Wall Street Voodoo. He provides solid drummer on an album that, as you say, is less proggy than their previous (and future) efforts, but the key to this album is the strength in the song writing, and not the proggy showmanship or chops (even though there's enough of that on the album).

It took me a LONG time to get into PH, being the band's first new album after I discovered them in 2005, but after years of listening, I grew to love and appreciate and fully enjoy the whole album.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on February 21, 2013, 11:55:15 AM
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/536969_4256083172874_1145495628_n.jpg)

First day of rehearsals for the joint-tour with the Neal Morse Band!

Any predictions as to what their 90 minute set will be? I expect at least 3 songs from BOE, including "Numbers" and "Rising The Imperial".

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on February 22, 2013, 08:52:16 AM
I'd be surprised if they played all of Numbers, since that would take up nearly 1/3 of their set list, but you never know.  Since they are likely to be playing in front of some people who have never seen them before, I think stuff like Stardust We Are Part 3 and some of The Truth Will Set You Free (which they love playing) are good bets.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Mladen on February 22, 2013, 08:55:44 AM
I think it's strange not to perform the centerpiece of the album you're promoting. It's not like I care, though.  ;D
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on February 22, 2013, 12:57:24 PM
Been a few years since I've seen them.  Last time I saw them they were touring in support of The Sum of No Evil

And I ate dinner at a table right next to them before the show.


heh, I still have a picture from that


(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55966936/tfk.jpg)


They were sitting behind us and there was this huge mirror on the back wall, so I snapped this shot.  After the show when they were signing my CD, Hasse says "you should have joined us for dinner at the restaurant"  :eek   :lol   :facepalm:

Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on February 22, 2013, 01:02:28 PM
Yeah, that was 2007, I had front row seats:


(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55966936/tfk2.jpg)


(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55966936/tfk3.jpg)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Lolzeez on February 22, 2013, 03:20:59 PM
Listened to this band for the first time this week. Banks Of Eden is a good album but for some reason it was kinda unmemorable. The highlight for me was obviously Numbers and For The Love Of Gold. FTLOG has such amazing vocals and a sweet guitar solo. It's quite catchy. The rest? I don't remember much.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on February 22, 2013, 04:23:51 PM
That's exactly what I thought the first time I listened. Nothing really stood out. Trust me, it wil come.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on February 22, 2013, 09:14:38 PM
Listened to this band for the first time this week. Banks Of Eden is a good album but for some reason it was kinda unmemorable. The highlight for me was obviously Numbers and For The Love Of Gold. FTLOG has such amazing vocals and a sweet guitar solo. It's quite catchy. The rest? I don't remember much.

Most of the band's material doesn't hit you on first listen. The music demands, and rewards, repeated listens. The music itself is usually very dense compositionally, which is why I think the music doesn't hit you right off the bat; because you don't know where the music is going and/or you are expecting something else. I'm telling you, listen to Banks of Eden again and get back to me.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on February 23, 2013, 08:45:34 AM
Review from the TFK yahoo mailing list:

It was a superb evening. Perhaps I had som wiches about songs, but I was satiesfied. Opening track was Numbers folloed by Cosmic Lover which was a positive surprise. I loved the way Jonas played the bass in the song. Roine´s guitarr solo on The Truth Will Set You Free was awesome. I was pure magick,I guess it must have been ten minutes long. Roine! You hit the right spot there, beautiful and expressive.
 
Neal played mostly from the new album Momentum and ended with a very long track World witout End. Lot from Questionmark and  Author of Confusion from One are songs from the concert, Also an excellent show with a tight band. I must say that the volume was a little bit to high.
 
Transatlantic with parts from Whirlwind with som errors in switching from one part to another, anyhow I enjoyed it.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Lolzeez on February 23, 2013, 03:08:20 PM
Listened to the album again. I think I'm starting to really dig it. Here are my rankings.

Numbers
For The Love Of Gold
For Those About To Drown
Illuminati
Rising The Imperial
LoLines
Pandemonium
Going Up
Fireghosts

I really enjoyed For Those About To Drown and the solo on Illuminati. So yeah. I guess I'm going somewhere. Now tell me,where do I go next?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on February 23, 2013, 03:14:52 PM
I haven't heard all that much either, but you need to listen to the song "Stardust We Are"! So beautiful :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on February 23, 2013, 11:04:07 PM


I really enjoyed For Those About To Drown and the solo on Illuminati. So yeah. I guess I'm going somewhere. Now tell me,where do I go next?

If you want to dive into a single disc, go for Space Revolver; that is their best single CD, IMO.

If you want to be daring and dive headfirst into some of the double albums, you cannot go wrong with Paradox Hotel, Flower Power or Stardust We Are. 

And as always, I will recommend saving Adam and Eve, The Rainmaker and The Sum of No Evil till the end.  They are all good, but definitely the weakest links in their catalogue.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on February 23, 2013, 11:46:59 PM
I wish Illuminati was included in the main album, as the other three songs do feel like B-sides. But that opening song on the bonus disc is too strong to have been included there. I don't always listen to the bonus disc when I listen to BoE but when I listen to that song, I wish I did, if only for that song.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on February 24, 2013, 08:33:31 AM
I don't agree with that.  I think all four songs are strong, and I think that overall the whole album, all nine songs and all, is very consistent.  It would be difficult for me to rank the songs in order of favorite to least favorite simply because they are all of about equal quality.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 04, 2013, 10:01:37 AM
Spring is here, and so is a new TFK phase for yours truly!

Blasting Monster Within as we speak.  I love how crazy and evil this song is. :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 05, 2013, 03:14:19 PM
Looks like the band is working on a new album and this is what Roine had to say about it yesterday:

Fact is -  working on this new album -
my gut feel is that those of you who liked the weirdness
interludes and the cinematic effects  and ambiences will find
this new album interesting.

I could be wrong - but it has some   superspacy stoner  droner  jams that resembles Santanas Caravanserai
and still  plenty of catchy, classic symph prog  and also somewhat  heavy 
riffy sections.
The names Black Sabbath and Dimmu Borgir  were both mentioned more than once in the strudio
but also Queen, Rush, James Bond   and albums like Ummagumma and Atom Heart Mother.
That's our weird musical environment  -  but be aware that we are still in "construction mode" so
these are all blueprints  for  what's to come -  this album is still a shapeshifter - day by day.

It will however not be a double album - but if you like adventurous prog - and fearless genre  bending -
this may be it.

Roine.

 :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on April 05, 2013, 04:11:24 PM
Fans who claimed BOE was "more of the same" will hopefully see this as a more experimental TFK. I hope they really pull out all the stops, broaden their scope, and release something that is totally out of left field, like UTF, following SR and TR, it was definitely quite a bit different, and not just because it was their longest album.

I'm looking forward to new TFK later this year or early next year!

New DT, TFK and TA all within 6 months of each other. AMAZING! :tup

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on April 06, 2013, 10:39:59 AM
@ Kev - thanks for posting that. Great insight from Roine.

@ Letter M - I don't know why people think BoE is "more of the same". Who's been saying that anyway?? Most people I see enjoy Boe. What album can you compare it to? It definitely has its own sound,  if anything it's more related to recent Roine/Jonas works (AoM, TA, Karmakanic) than the last 3-4 TFK albums as far as the overall sound goes. Besides that, though, I think it's a lot better than half of their albums.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 06, 2013, 11:45:51 AM
I don't know if I would say it was more of the same, but it definitely had a lot of that classic TFK thing going on.  Overall, Banks of Eden is very consistent, and I can turn it on and enjoy everything on it, but it was their second CD in a row that failed to have a single song that made me think, "This is one of their best songs ever."  That is why I cannot call it one of their best when albums like Paradox Hotel, Stardust We Are and Retropolis are just as consistent, but also are filled with songs that DO make me think, "This is one of their best songs ever."
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 07, 2013, 11:27:06 PM
Per Roine on FB earlier today:

Just finished tracking session at Fenix studio Sweden for a new Flower Kings album. For release early Oct. Progadelic Baby !

 :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: adace on April 07, 2013, 11:49:04 PM
Per Roine on FB earlier today:

Just finished tracking session at Fenix studio Sweden for a new Flower Kings album. For release early Oct. Progadelic Baby !

 :tup :tup
Damn, that's soon! Looking forward to it!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 08, 2013, 10:07:32 AM
Well, that is still six months away, so it's not that soon. ;)  But it should be interesting to see what they do next. Based on Roine's comments, I am hoping they get a little out there and experimental instead of going with the all-out prog like they did on the last two records.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: MoraWintersoul on April 08, 2013, 10:22:48 AM
I am hoping they get a little out there and experimental instead of going with the all-out prog like they did on the last two records.
Gotta love how experimental and prog aren't synonyms anymore :lol
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 08, 2013, 10:34:31 AM
Maybe a better way to put it would be to say that I hope they get more experimental outside of the symphonic rock window. ;)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on April 09, 2013, 02:54:24 PM
Studio report from Hasse, posted today:
http://www.myspace.com/hassefrobergandthemusicalcompanion/blog/546826858

I hope they play some new stuff when I see them next month. I like Banks of Eden, but it's nice to see them doing something different.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 09, 2013, 10:46:18 PM
Hard not to get excited after reading that.  And I'm definitely glad to hear they are all contributing, as that ups the chances of it being a diverse CD. :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 10, 2013, 11:51:34 AM
Even though it is not a real TFK album, Roine's The Flower King solo album needs more love.  Sure, the title track is great, and many rave over Humanizzimo (and both are great), but the songs I visit the most on that record are Dissonata, The Magic Circus of Zeb (Roine's best guitar song ever!!) and The Pilgrims Inn.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on April 10, 2013, 12:32:14 PM
Great update!

I like The Flower King. I certainly treat it like a Flower Kings album. I think it's second only to Back In The World as far as the pre-Stardust albums go, with Retropolis third.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 10, 2013, 12:35:09 PM
I definitely like Retropolis more than BITWOA (Retropolis is a top 5 TFK record, in my book), but the latter is still very good and one helluva debut record.
 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: drew512 on April 10, 2013, 12:47:06 PM
Even though it is not a real TFK album, Roine's The Flower King solo album needs more love.  Sure, the title track is great, and many rave over Humanizzimo (and both are great), but the songs I visit the most on that record are Dissonata, The Magic Circus of Zeb (Roine's best guitar song ever!!) and The Pilgrims Inn.

Seconded. I absolutely adore this album.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on April 10, 2013, 01:36:57 PM
Even though it is not a real TFK album, Roine's The Flower King solo album needs more love.  Sure, the title track is great, and many rave over Humanizzimo (and both are great), but the songs I visit the most on that record are Dissonata, The Magic Circus of Zeb (Roine's best guitar song ever!!) and The Pilgrims Inn.

Seconded. I absolutely adore this album.
I do too. There's a lot of great music on it.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 10, 2013, 02:11:23 PM
I remember when I first got into that record; I played it non-stop literally for weeks!  I think it is one of Roine's best non-TFK records, along with the three Transatlantic records, Kaipa's Keyholder and the first Tangent album.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on April 30, 2013, 11:55:03 AM
So I'm sitting here listening to my mixed-together version of "I Am The Sun", at exactly 25:24 in length, and it got me wondering...how would you guys rank TFK's side-length epics? I'm only counting the ones that are between 18-27 minutes long, so no "Garden Of Dreams" or "The Truth Will Set You Free" (mostly because they would likely end up in the top of many fan's lists anyway).

These are the songs for consideration in the rankings:
Humanizzimo*
Stardust We Are
I Am The Sun
Devil's Playground
Love Supreme
Driver's Seat
Monsters & Men
Love Is The Only Answer
Numbers

*Technically a Roine Stolt solo album song, but TFK have played it live, and many fans still count The Flower King as the band's first album.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on April 30, 2013, 12:06:08 PM
I think we've done this before, but I'll play again:

1. I Am the Sun
2. Stardust We Are
3. Devil's Playground
4. Monster and Men
5. Driver's Seat
6. Love Supreme
7. Numbers
8. Love Is the Only Answer

Humanizzimo is not a TFK song (kind of like how DT playing LTE songs in the past doesn't make them DT songs).
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on April 30, 2013, 01:35:47 PM
Fans who claimed BOE was "more of the same" will hopefully see this as a more experimental TFK. I hope they really pull out all the stops, broaden their scope, and release something that is totally out of left field, like UTF, following SR and TR, it was definitely quite a bit different, and not just because it was their longest album.

I'm looking forward to new TFK later this year or early next year!

New DT, TFK and TA all within 6 months of each other. AMAZING! :tup

-Marc.


Honestly, for me, they could release BOE II and I'd be thrilled.  I've still got it in regular rotation. 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on May 07, 2013, 02:54:42 PM
Did anyone else see them in Pennsylvania this weekend? I saw them on Friday night, and they were great despite Roine being sick. I'm not sure what was wrong (I'm assuming a bad cold or something) but he was apparently bed-ridden and didn't fly to the States until the morning of the show. For portions of the show, he sat in a chair playing, à la Robert Fripp. The rest of the guys were excellent and I believe Hasse covered some of his vocals. When Roine did sing, he sounded alright to me. Previously, I wasn't a big fan of Hasse's vocals all that much, but I loved his voice live. Tomas Bodin and Jonas Reingold were unsurprisingly awesome and a lot of fun to watch. The setlist was great, and  I know that the new album isn't seen as one of their best, but Numbers and Rising The Imperial were fantastic live.

The sound at the show was great, especially the drums. The were very clear and prominent in the mix and they didn't sound muddy at all. It was an all-around great show and it made me ever more excited for the next album!

On another note, I'm listening to Paradox Hotel right now for the first time. Monsters and Men is phenomenal!! I also picked up Unfold The Future, which I also didn't have. Now I just have to get Flower Power, Adam & Eve, and The Sum of No Evil to complete their studio album discography.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Orbert on May 07, 2013, 04:42:23 PM
Wow.

I checked out DVD 1 of Meet the Flower Kings over the weekend, and I think my brain is still recovering.  I knew they had some long songs, but three songs on the entire disc (actually only two, with a break between "Garden of Dreams" part 1 and part 2)?

I have Blockbuster Online and basically my queue is loaded up with DVDs and Blu-rays of concert vids, whatever I can find.  I manage the queue online, but when they finally come, it's just the disc in a printed envelope, and half the time you can't read what's printed on it.  I was therefore unprepared for this.

Anyway, I have a new band to check out.  And apparently 22 pages of this thread to read as well.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Mindflux on May 07, 2013, 07:36:30 PM

Anyway, I have a new band to check out.  And apparently 22 pages of this thread to read as well.

I feel you. I picked up Roine Stolt's "The Flower King" due to some positive reviews on here (I think?) and now, I've got a LOT of TFK history to listen to and catch up on.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: yeshaberto on May 07, 2013, 10:26:29 PM
Just finished their set here in LA, warming up for neal morse and both of us were blown away.  Great live band
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on May 08, 2013, 08:13:37 AM
Whenever they come within reasonable driving distance of me, I go and see them.  Lucky for me, when they tour the New England area, I'm friends with the promoter who arranges the gigs, so I've had the chance to attend their pre-show sound check a few times and hang with the band before and after they go on stage.  They're a pretty cool group of dudes.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on May 08, 2013, 08:29:55 PM
Just finished their set here in LA, warming up for neal morse and both of us were blown away.  Great live band
I was kind of surprised that they didn't add any more US dates, but I guess the Transatlantic recording sessions got in the way. I could imagine that the NM/TFK shows would sell well, especially with the addition of Portnoy.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: yeshaberto on May 08, 2013, 10:37:42 PM
Unfortunately this one was barely half full
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on May 08, 2013, 10:56:56 PM

I was kind of surprised that they didn't add any more US dates, but I guess the Transatlantic recording sessions got in the way. I could imagine that the NM/TFK shows would sell well, especially with the addition of Portnoy.

I think you are overestimating the draw of all of them in the U.S.  Neither TFK nor Neal as a solo artist draw well at all here in the States (Roine has said in the past that TFK often loses money when they tour here), and Portnoy probably isn't gonna bring in anyone who wouldn't have gone to the show anyway. 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: ariich on May 09, 2013, 02:14:25 AM
I think we've done this before, but I'll play again:

1. I Am the Sun
2. Stardust We Are
3. Devil's Playground
4. Monster and Men
5. Driver's Seat
6. Love Supreme
7. Numbers
8. Love Is the Only Answer

Humanizzimo is not a TFK song (kind of like how DT playing LTE songs in the past doesn't make them DT songs).
This is almost my exact ranking, I think I'd probably just swap the top 2 around. :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on May 09, 2013, 07:26:08 AM

I was kind of surprised that they didn't add any more US dates, but I guess the Transatlantic recording sessions got in the way. I could imagine that the NM/TFK shows would sell well, especially with the addition of Portnoy.

I think you are overestimating the draw of all of them in the U.S.  Neither TFK nor Neal as a solo artist draw well at all here in the States (Roine has said in the past that TFK often loses money when they tour here), and Portnoy probably isn't gonna bring in anyone who wouldn't have gone to the show anyway.


Yeah, unfortunately, they don't draw many fans in the US.  The most I've seen at any of the 4 shows I've seen them at was when I saw them a the Three Rivers Prog Festival in Pittsburgh a few years back.  When I've seen them as the only band or with a local opener in smaller venues the crowds have been in the 50 to 75 range, tops
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: bobs23 on May 09, 2013, 07:49:59 AM
At the LA show on Tuesday I would be surprised if there were 400 people there. It's a real shame, as both bands kicked some major ass. The Transatlantic encore was a nice treat.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Nick on May 09, 2013, 08:00:22 AM
At the LA show on Tuesday I would be surprised if there were 400 people there. It's a real shame, as both bands kicked some major ass. The Transatlantic encore was a nice treat.

On one hand they deserve more, but really, they pull far better than most prog-rock bands who actually try and make a go of things in the states.

Oh, and Hasse is awesome! After TFK show Friday night he basically just hung around with fans all Friday night, Saturday, and Saturday night before leaving for the Philly show Sunday.

(http://www.nickeh.com/images/ros02.jpg)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on May 09, 2013, 02:06:25 PM

I was kind of surprised that they didn't add any more US dates, but I guess the Transatlantic recording sessions got in the way. I could imagine that the NM/TFK shows would sell well, especially with the addition of Portnoy.

I think you are overestimating the draw of all of them in the U.S.  Neither TFK nor Neal as a solo artist draw well at all here in the States (Roine has said in the past that TFK often loses money when they tour here), and Portnoy probably isn't gonna bring in anyone who wouldn't have gone to the show anyway.
Wow, I know they don't draw huge crowds, but I thought they'd at least break even. Its pretty sad that a band like them has to lose money to play here.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on May 09, 2013, 02:08:39 PM
At the LA show on Tuesday I would be surprised if there were 400 people there. It's a real shame, as both bands kicked some major ass. The Transatlantic encore was a nice treat.

On one hand they deserve more, but really, they pull far better than most prog-rock bands who actually try and make a go of things in the states.

Oh, and Hasse is awesome! After TFK show Friday night he basically just hung around with fans all Friday night, Saturday, and Saturday night before leaving for the Philly show Sunday.

(http://www.nickeh.com/images/ros02.jpg)
I'm pretty sure I saw you a few times last weekend!

I met Hasse at the signing table and thanked him for a great show, but I didn't talk to him anywhere else. I saw him walking outside the theater but I felt a little funny approaching him.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 09, 2013, 11:39:06 AM
I've probably said this before, but I'll say it again, The Flower King has to be one of the best prog albums made since 1980. It's such a fun record, and some of Roine's most powerful performances.

Also, I don't know if it's been mentioned here, but Roine announced on his Facebook recently:
"Next week - a Mellotron from early 70's arrives @ Casa Stolt. More vintage to come then......btw. The TFK album is recorded on real reel to reel tape machine. Release Oct 2013."

!!!  :omg:
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Orbert on June 09, 2013, 01:59:41 PM
I watched Disc Two of Meet the Flower Kings (DVD) a couple of times over the past few days.  Man, those guys are amazing.  I know the albums aren't wall-to-wall epics like that, but still, putting together and playing all those long, complex tunes is incredible.

I have mixed feelings about the concert footage being broken up by the "behind the scenes" stuff.  Usually I just want to play the concert and immerse myself.  But with The Flower Kings, I usually need a break after each song anyway.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on June 24, 2013, 07:04:11 PM
Saw this at the TFK message boards:

Quote
Directly from Roine:

The Symphonic piece is just waiting - still asleep - morphing but as time goes - things may get better.
Or hopefully I realize it is crap before I release it………...or maybe it's genius.

Time is what I need - I've been woking solid for more than a year.

Future plan: TFK new album first - then TA album - then AoM DVD editing & mix - then TFK reissues (Vinyls) then TFK DVD from Banks Of Eden 2012 & NealMorse/TFK tour 2013.

Then……maybe Sympho piece …or new AoM, once Steve Hackett release our singer from Genesis bondage.
Then maybe …….wait , we're well into 2014.

Let's hope we're all alive.

Roine.

TFK ON VINYL!!! I don't even OWN a vinyl player and I WANT these... if the finished products look beautiful, like great colored vinyl and beautiful gatefold jackets, then I am SOLD. Of course, all the Double CDs will likely end up being Quadruple LPs...so it'll get pricey, but I WILL SAVE MY PENNIES IF I HAVE TO!

Also, more DVDs and live stuff, and of course, new TFK and TA next year. MAN... Roine's been busy and will continue to do so through 2014!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on June 24, 2013, 09:34:14 PM
I don't even own a record player, but if Flower Power gets released on vinyl, I am buying it.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on June 25, 2013, 08:27:53 AM
I'm curious about thatsymphonic piece. It's NOT on the new TFK album but something else? Either way I'm excited
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on June 25, 2013, 05:52:38 PM
I'm curious about thatsymphonic piece. It's NOT on the new TFK album but something else? Either way I'm excited

IIRC, he's been working on that for YEARS... I think since the Paradox Hotel days. He's had a lot of projects come and go since then, like 3rd World Electric and Agents Of Mercy, so it's been on the back burner for a very long time.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Nihil-Morari on June 27, 2013, 01:42:25 AM
I'd love me some TFK vinyl. Just as I'm starting to complete my CD discography of them. Oh well...  :)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on July 14, 2013, 06:04:35 PM
Check out this instrumental, previously unreleased track from 2005 (the band put it up on facebook):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UaZIFmQg5VA

Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Orbert on July 14, 2013, 08:38:16 PM
Cool stuff! :tup

I like the goofy vocals.  Roine has cited Zappa as an influence, and you can really hear it.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on August 21, 2013, 08:02:50 AM
Sounds like the new TFK record will be called Desolation Rose and is due out in late October.  wOOt!!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: darkshade on August 24, 2013, 08:02:22 PM
Oh yea!!! I'm more excited to see the cover art and if it will top Banks of Eden, which I felt was the best art out of all the TFK albums.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on September 11, 2013, 04:44:30 AM
NEWS : THE FLOWER KINGS – reveal release of new studio album ‘Desolation Rose’ late October.

Swedish progressive-rock royalty The Flower Kings have had a busy year since regrouping in 2012 for the ‘Banks Of Eden’ album, and with a new creative vigour the band are following that with the fantastic new album ‘Desolation Rose’ due out on 28th October 2013.
The artwork, once again created by Silas Toball, can be viewed above and the band had this to say about the forthcoming release:

"Being somewhat of a political statement, the epic theme of "Desolation Rose" is a logical step in a time where perpetual war, famine, environmental threats, religious conflicts dominate the media and our minds. This is a time to wake up and the music on this album takes you on a journey where you are forced to questions what the mainstream media feed us and to rethink your whole world view on all of the above. This is in many ways a typical Flower Kings album but we have also taken it into another realm where we do take chances and where you may struggle to get into the music - or the lyrics - but trust me when I say that you will be rewarded, as this may be our most involved, important and interesting album ever. "(Roine)

The track-listing for the album is as follows:
1 Tower ONE 13:39
2 Sleeping Bones 04:16
3 Desolation Road 04:00
4 White Tuxedos 06:30
5 The Resurrected Judas 08:24
6 Silent Masses 06:17
7 Last Carnivore 04:22
8 Dark Fascist Skies 06:05
9 Blood Of Eden 03:12
10 Silent Graveyards 02:52

Earlier this year, The Flower Kings embarked on a very special tour alongside Neal Morse & Mike Portnoy to celebrate InsideOutMusic’s 20th Anniversary, playing to sold out crowds across Europe and the US.

Look out for more information and videos in the coming weeks!
Pre Sale start soon at The Flower Kings web shop:
www.flowerkings.se


For more information visit:
www.flowerkings.se
http://www.facebook.com/TheFlowerKings
http://www.reverbnation.com/theflowerkings
http://www.myspace.com/cosmiclodge

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Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Orbert on September 11, 2013, 08:49:18 AM
Yeah, Baybay!!  :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on September 11, 2013, 11:17:32 AM
Wow, their 2nd consecutive studio album that is under 60 minutes (not counting bonus tracks)!  Interesting.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Orbert on September 11, 2013, 11:23:36 AM
I didn't even notice that.  I saw some longer songs and some shorter ones.  But with The Flower Kings, even though they can crank out a lot of music, it's still about quality over quantity, and they haven't let me down yet.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on September 11, 2013, 01:56:40 PM
I was kind of surprised by the track lengths, but I'm always down for some new stuff from these guys.  Hope they tour in my area again.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on September 11, 2013, 01:59:06 PM
Cover art is really nice.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on September 11, 2013, 02:01:06 PM
Cover art is really nice.
I agree, still not the best cover for a prog album coming out in october. ;D
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on September 11, 2013, 02:02:34 PM
Um, I'm drawing a blank here. Which cover are you referring to?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Mindflux on September 11, 2013, 02:04:17 PM
Um, I'm drawing a blank here. Which cover are you referring to?

The one a few posts up?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on September 11, 2013, 02:06:18 PM
Um, I'm drawing a blank here. Which cover are you referring to?
The new Ayreon album! :metal
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: pain of occupation on September 11, 2013, 02:08:02 PM
..I saw some one longer songs and some shorter ones.  But with The Flower Kings, even though they can crank out a lot of music, it's still about quality over quantity, and they haven't let me down yet.

noticed the same. I got some lofty expectations for this one.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on September 11, 2013, 02:42:22 PM
Um, I'm drawing a blank here. Which cover are you referring to?

The one a few posts up?

...no.

Um, I'm drawing a blank here. Which cover are you referring to?
The new Ayreon album! :metal

Oh, duh. :lol
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on September 12, 2013, 04:30:08 PM
I was kind of surprised by the track lengths, but I'm always down for some new stuff from these guys.  Hope they tour in my area again.

The track lengths are interesting, and they haven't had this many varied lengths since their first two proper albums (BITWOA and Retropolis), but there's only one 10+ minute song, and again, the longest track on the album opens it.

I cannot wait to hear this, although I never really fully connected with BOE when it came out - then again, I didn't fully connect with PH when it came out, but TSONE was an instant love for me. I guess I'll be spinning BOE in October in preparing for the next album, DR.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on September 13, 2013, 08:28:12 AM
I didn't even notice that.  I saw some longer songs and some shorter ones.  But with The Flower Kings, even though they can crank out a lot of music, it's still about quality over quantity, and they haven't let me down yet.

They haven't let me down yet either, in the sense of releasing an album that was a major disappointment, but it is interesting to note that since I became a fan in the latter part of 2000, they have only released two albums that I loved to death fairly immediately on release:

The Rainmaker: liked it when it came out, but definitely came off as not as good as everything else prior to it.
Unfold the Future: was pretty nutty over this when it came out, although I now probably only love about half of it.
Adam & Eve: was somewhat of a disappointment; it grew on me a lot over time, and now I like it a lot.
Paradox Hotel: loved it when it came out; still love it. My 2nd favorite.
The Sum on No Evil: was majorly underwhelmed by this; still am. It is solid, but by far their least impressive record to date.
Banks of Eden: thought it was very good upon release, but, aside from when I first got it, never really went through a stage where I couldn't stop listening to it.  Very good effort, but still lacking that little extra something.

Here's hoping this new one is an ass-kicker. :hat
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Orbert on September 13, 2013, 09:09:00 AM
I came to The Flower Kings relatively recently (via Transatlantic), and because they have so much music out there, I really haven't gotten to know the individual albums, let alone songs, very intimately.  I tend to pick an album, put it on, and let it go.  Really, to me, it all sounds great.  If I dig more into it, I'm sure I'd find songs I like more than others, and albums I like more than others, and some I like less than others as well.

But honestly, right now, I think "I'll put on some Flower Kings" and do exactly that, and I'm good with it.  They haven't let me down yet.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Mosh on September 13, 2013, 09:23:41 AM
I came to The Flower Kings relatively recently (via Transatlantic), and because they have so much music out there, I really haven't gotten to know the individual albums, let alone songs, very intimately.  I tend to pick an album, put it on, and let it go.  Really, to me, it all sounds great.  If I dig more into it, I'm sure I'd find songs I like more than others, and albums I like more than others, and some I like less than others as well.

But honestly, right now, I think "I'll put on some Flower Kings" and do exactly that, and I'm good with it.  They haven't let me down yet.
That's actually why I can't really get into these guys. It's all good, but I can't get to know any of their stuff, the same way I've gotten to know albums by the classic prog albums.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on September 13, 2013, 11:18:10 AM
To me, TFK have always been a band who makes ALBUMS, not songs. I mean, sure, yes they make songs, they have tracks on their albums, but the experience of the album is so much greater taken as a whole rather than as songs. This doesn't mean they don't have great SONGS, although usually those happen to be their epics like "Stardust We Are", "The Truth Will Set You Free" or "Love Is The Only Answer". But they have some songs that stick out, particularly ones from Paradox Hotel, which was a more song-based album anyway.

TFK's albums are just better taken as wholes, and even though nearly half of their albums are double-CD length, they're still amazing taken as a whole. Like what you guys said, I doubt I could name songs and tracks off many of their albums, but they haven't made an album I truly disliked. Sure, there are some like The Rainmaker or Adam & Eve that I didn't really get INTO, but there's still some great moments on those albums (both, oddly, are single albums).

They're a different beast than, say, Spock's Beard, who write albums full of songs, where you can listen to them out of context from the album, but more or less, with TFK, there's just something better about the songs when listened to in context of the whole album. I don't know what it is, but they're like a REALLY good deli sandwich - with all the right ingredients, as good as some of them may be individually, they're SO MUCH TASTIER when taken all together in ONE BITE. And when you FINISH that sandwich, it is just SO satisfying, especially the double albums (which, I guess if we're talking subs, they'd be the foot-longs).

Bands like Dream Theater or Spock's Beard or Marillion make albums full of songs that aren't (typically) needed to be heard all in one go, and I like that about THOSE bands. They're more like chips, in regards to lunch foods, albeit different flavors of chips. But you know what you're usually getting each time you get a new bag of chips, and as a whole, the bag is great! You may get one or two chips that aren't as good as the rest, but you know they're all good, just more or less the same across the board.

Then we get a band like Transatlantic, which, just happens to be a full meal of sandwich AND chips, and you just can't help but want more even though you're stuffed by the end of it.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on September 13, 2013, 12:09:20 PM
Hasse Fröberg has a couple of "solo" albums out.  Both are worth checking out. 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 13, 2013, 12:22:59 PM
Can't wait for preorder....

Haha I'm waiting for three preorders...Live at Luna Park, DR, and Ayreon.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Mindflux on September 13, 2013, 01:48:31 PM
Just got an email from Radiant records that they'll have a FK preorder soon with special offers.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Mindflux on September 17, 2013, 03:13:08 PM
From Radiant:

The nefarious Mister Stolt and his Swedish cronies have done it again! Roine's been hard at work for the first part of the summer on this great new cd, which I'm sure all of the Flower Kings fans are going to really like. We're going to be selling them at Radiant and we'll start taking pre-orders pretty soon. The first 50 pre-orders will get a signed Flower Kings post card along with their cd. The release date is October 28.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on September 17, 2013, 05:08:17 PM
From Radiant:

The nefarious Mister Stolt and his Swedish cronies have done it again! Roine's been hard at work for the first part of the summer on this great new cd, which I'm sure all of the Flower Kings fans are going to really like. We're going to be selling them at Radiant and we'll start taking pre-orders pretty soon. The first 50 pre-orders will get a signed Flower Kings post card along with their cd. The release date is October 28.

Signed Post Card?!? UGH!!! NEAL/RADIANT!!! You're killing me with your pre-order specials... I'm waiting to see if Reingold Records will have anything special, as they sometimes do with signed discs/booklets/digipaks, but the post card might be nice, too!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Mindflux on September 21, 2013, 12:14:56 PM
THE FLOWER KINGS - "DESOLATION ROSE" - Mediabook LTD edition version 2 x CD .
Swedish progressive-rock royalty The Flower Kings have had a busy year since regrouping in 2012 for the ‘Banks Of Eden’ album,
and with a new studio album ‘Desolation Rose’ due out on 28th October 2013.
The artwork, once again created by the gifted Silas Toball.
"Being somewhat of a political statement, the theme of "Desolation Rose" is a logical step in a time where perpetual war, famine, environmental threats,
religious conflicts dominate the media and our minds.


1 Tower ONE 13:39
2 Sleeping Bones 04:16
3 Desolation Road 04:00
4 White Tuxedos 06:30
5 The Resurrected Judas 08:24
6 Silent Masses 06:17
7 Last Carnivore 04:22
8 Dark Fascist Skies 06:05
9 Blood Of Eden 03:12
10 Silent Graveyards 02:52

Bonus Disc:
1. RUNAWAY TRAIN 6:30
2. INTERSTELLAR VISITATIONS 2:26
3. LAZY MONKEY 2:26
4. PSALM 2013 2:05
5. THE WAILING WALL 3:20
6. BADBEATS 5:20
7. BURNING SPEARS 3:15
8. THE FINAL ERA 2:58

SHOP at : www.flowerkings.se
Price: 22 euro Free shipping
Price: 30 usd Free shipping
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 21, 2013, 12:39:11 PM
Of course ordered the mediabook. I feel like I have to listen to this because that is one good concept.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Mindflux on September 21, 2013, 12:44:31 PM
Of course ordered the mediabook. I feel like I have to listen to this because that is one good concept.

I'm not even sure I know what a media book is.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Mindflux on September 21, 2013, 12:55:24 PM
Here's an interesting blip from their page about the Vinyl+CD package

Quote
Be aware that ALL customers outside of Europe pay a total of 50 US Dollars - We know it is steep, but shipping is insanely expensive shipping from Sweden, A bit of consolation may be that YES - you can get it signed. Just give us notice when you purchase.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: pain of occupation on September 22, 2013, 01:45:06 PM
anyone see that new interview with roine? pretty good read. and it also contains a nugget that should perhaps put the debate to rest: roine apparently considers The Flower King to be a The Flower Kings album.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Mindflux on September 23, 2013, 08:12:52 AM
sound snip from new album

https://soundcloud.com/pale-rider-1/flower-kings-desolation-rose


Also preorder is up on Radiant with signed postcard:

http://www.radiantrecords.com/default.aspx

Not sure when it went up though.. *Edit: Got the email a minute after I posted this.  :rollin
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on September 23, 2013, 09:34:42 AM
anyone see that new interview with roine? pretty good read. and it also contains a nugget that should perhaps put the debate to rest: roine apparently considers The Flower King to be a The Flower Kings album.

Hmmm, interesting. I mean, I guess I consider it a TFK album in the same way that DT's Majesty Demos are a DT 'album', or are DT songs. They're like proto-DT, or in Roine's case, proto-TFK. But the band and press and reviewers and other such places have referred to their discography starting with BITWOA, so their newest album would be counted as number 12 (Hey, guess who else just released their 12th album? lol).

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: KevShmev on September 23, 2013, 09:42:27 AM
anyone see that new interview with roine? pretty good read. and it also contains a nugget that should perhaps put the debate to rest: roine apparently considers The Flower King to be a The Flower Kings album.

Why would that put the debate to rest?  This isn't like, "DT says that Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence is one song, so therefore it is."  The Flower King was released as a Roine Stolt solo album, and it very much sounds like a solo album considering it is very guitar-driven, and good luck finding a TFK record as guitar-driven as it.

sound snip from new album

https://soundcloud.com/pale-rider-1/flower-kings-desolation-rose

I wonder if it is a bad sign that those clips did absolutely nothing for me.  :(
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: Orbert on September 23, 2013, 10:44:06 AM
Roine considers it an album by The Flower Kings.  That's cool.  And there are some arguments to support that.

Unfortunately, fans generally do not have the same criteria as the artists themselves.

I noted the words "should" and "perhaps" in your statement, though.  This is just one of those things that will never be settled, because different people have different criteria.  There's a similar debate going on at the YesFans forums regarding the Anderson-Bruford-Wakeman-Howe album, whether or not it counts as a Yes album.  It is included in the Discography on the band's official site, which would seem to settle the debate (perhaps), but the fact is that it doesn't say Yes on the cover, and four former Yes members playing on the album doesn't make it a Yes album.

The Flower King is officially a Roine Stolt solo album.  To many people, that alone means that it is not a Flower Kings album.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread
Post by: The Letter M on September 23, 2013, 03:34:47 PM
Roine considers it an album by The Flower Kings.  That's cool.  And there are some arguments to support that.

Unfortunately, fans generally do not have the same criteria as the artists themselves.

I noted the words "should" and "perhaps" in your statement, though.  This is just one of those things that will never be settled, because different people have different criteria.  There's a similar debate going on at the YesFans forums regarding the Anderson-Bruford-Wakeman-Howe album, whether or not it counts as a Yes album.  It is included in the Discography on the band's official site, which would seem to settle the debate (perhaps), but the fact is that it doesn't say Yes on the cover, and four former Yes members playing on the album doesn't make it a Yes album.

The Flower King is officially a Roine Stolt solo album.  To many people, that alone means that it is not a Flower Kings album.

Conversely, while Porcupine Tree's debut album, On The Sunday Of Life, is largely a Steven Wilson solo album with a fake-band-name on it, people consider it the band's first album, while the first album to really feature the full band didn't occur until later. For some, something as superficial as having the band's name on the album is enough to count it as a part of the band's given discography, even though in the case of OTSOL, it wasn't even a band effort, just SW and some guests, but that's about it.

Then again, there's always personal discographies, which I tend to do myself for plenty of bands like TFK and PT and DT, where I include these debatable albums and EPs and such.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Nick on October 08, 2013, 10:52:20 AM
Short notice, but if anyone has any pressing questions for Roine post them up, as I'll be interviewing him tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Orbert on October 08, 2013, 11:09:13 AM
Once and for all, what is the correct way to pronounce your first name?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Nick on October 08, 2013, 11:13:00 AM
Once and for all, what is the correct way to pronounce your first name?

:lol I will ask him that, but it will be before the interview. So I will say it as best I can however he tells me!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Orbert on October 08, 2013, 11:21:51 AM
That's a good plan.  But remember to report the results back here.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on October 08, 2013, 12:41:16 PM
Roy-nuh.

That has been made clear on various occasions.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Nick on October 08, 2013, 12:42:04 PM
That's what I thought, but whenever I interview someone I check with them just to be sure.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: kirksnosehair on October 08, 2013, 01:19:16 PM
That sample sounded exactly the way I expected it to sound  :tup     :corn
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Orbert on October 08, 2013, 01:37:18 PM
Roy-nuh.

That has been made clear on various occasions.

Yeah well unless he tells me personally, it's just hearsay.  :P
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Nihil-Morari on October 08, 2013, 02:06:52 PM
BTW, I'm listening to The Rainmaker right now, kinda forgot about it because it get such bad reviews, but this really is a great album. I agree it lacks an I Am The Sun-calibre song, but I'm at City of Angels right now, and there's not a moment I haven't enjoyed.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: ariich on October 08, 2013, 02:14:07 PM
BTW, I'm listening to The Rainmaker right now, kinda forgot about it because it get such bad reviews, but this really is a great album. I agree it lacks an I Am The Sun-calibre song, but I'm at City of Angels right now, and there's not a moment I haven't enjoyed.
Yeah I really dig it as well, very nice album! :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: senecadawg2 on October 08, 2013, 02:30:38 PM
Yeah, Rainmaker and Space Revolver are the only two FK albums I own and I was surprised to see it generally regarded as one of the bottom tier albums, given that it was my early favorite of the two. As of now, I regard them as relatively equal.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Nihil-Morari on October 08, 2013, 02:33:43 PM
Yeah, Rainmaker and Space Revolver are the only two FK albums I own and I was surprised to see it generally regarded as one of the bottom tier albums, given that it was my early favorite of the two. As of now, I regard them as relatively equal.

Space Revolver is actually my favorite of their albums  :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: senecadawg2 on October 08, 2013, 02:51:02 PM
Where should I go next?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: ariich on October 08, 2013, 03:36:49 PM
Paradox Hotel, definitely!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on October 08, 2013, 04:20:28 PM
Roy-nuh.

That has been made clear on various occasions.
As a swede, I can confirm. Although I would say it's more like Roy-neh.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: senecadawg2 on October 08, 2013, 05:10:09 PM
Paradox Hotel, definitely!

So I'm listening on Spotify right now.

I like it a lot, particularly the three song run of Lucy Had a Dream, Bavarian Skies, and Self-Consuming.

It is reaaally looooong though, and a lot to take in on one listen.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: The Letter M on October 08, 2013, 05:51:43 PM
Paradox Hotel, definitely!

So I'm listening on Spotify right now.

I like it a lot, particularly the three song run of Lucy Had a Dream, Bavarian Skies, and Self-Consuming.

It is reaaally looooong though, and a lot to take in on one listen.

Heh, it's not even the longest of their 4 full double-albums! Wait til you get to Unfold The Future - it STARTS with a 31 minute epic! :tup

PH is great, though, and while it took me years to actually 'get it' (as in, have it click with me), it was worth the wait. The song-writing is top-notch and each piece, while unique from those around it, works with the whole album to create a magnificent total work.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Nick on October 16, 2013, 07:28:21 AM
My interview got pushed back a week, but I just finished it up, and can Roine talk! I was afraid I had too few questions prepared, but not the case. Also, there will be a fun drinking game with this one, and it won't be for what I say for once!

Have to leave now to get some things done and visit the dentist, but hope to have this available for you guys late this afternoon.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: nikatapi on October 16, 2013, 07:30:39 AM
Hey guys, last Friday i did an interview with Roine Stolt, he's a great guy and very interesting to talk to.
You can read the interview here if you want http://www.rocking.gr/interviews/en/The-Flower-Kings-interview-Roine-Stolt/17634/ (http://www.rocking.gr/interviews/en/The-Flower-Kings-interview-Roine-Stolt/17634/)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Orbert on October 16, 2013, 08:10:53 AM
I feel like I'm the only guy here who didn't get to interview Roine Stolt.  :(
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Nick on October 16, 2013, 02:09:53 PM
http://www.wpapu.com/int014.html

My interview. :)

I feel like I'm the only guy here who didn't get to interview Roine Stolt.  :(

I asked Roine why not, he said he's afraid of tigers.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Orbert on October 16, 2013, 02:11:00 PM
It figures.  But I'm starting to get used to that.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on October 17, 2013, 10:11:52 AM
Roine posted this on facebook, a lyric video for one of the new songs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-AGdlyoR5A

I love the way it started, with the piano and all, but I have to admit that I was dismayed when the vocals came in and I realized that Froberg was doing them instead of Roine.  This is the type of song where Roine usually does them and make the song that much better because of it.  Sadly, and I am not sure why, but I just can't get that much intro Froberg's voice that much anymore.  Even when listening to the old TFK stuff, I almost always go for the songs that Roine sings (or is the dominant singer). 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 17, 2013, 01:26:01 PM
Great song. The music fits the subject quite nicely. Do I sense this going into the next song?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 22, 2013, 12:48:42 PM
I received Desolation Rose yesterday. First reaction, great album.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: The Letter M on October 22, 2013, 03:04:33 PM
I received Desolation Rose yesterday. First reaction, great album.

Where dud you order from? I pre-ordered from TFK's own web store so I hope mine comes in this week!

-M.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 22, 2013, 05:13:03 PM
I received Desolation Rose yesterday. First reaction, great album.

Where dud you order from? I pre-ordered from TFK's own web store so I hope mine comes in this week!

-M.

From their webstore, got it signed by Roine.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: kirksnosehair on October 23, 2013, 10:24:54 AM
Yeah, that's where I ordered from too.


I love the new song, vocals and all  :)


Haven't received my copy of the CD yet
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: The Letter M on October 23, 2013, 11:36:12 AM
I received Desolation Rose yesterday. First reaction, great album.

Where dud you order from? I pre-ordered from TFK's own web store so I hope mine comes in this week!

-M.

From their webstore, got it signed by Roine.

Got mine in the mail yesterday! The packaging is glorious! Still haven't listened to it but I will today, I am sure!!! Cannot wait to dive right in to it!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 24, 2013, 01:03:15 AM
I'm enjoying the name of the album

 Desolation ROSE, by The FLOWER Kings.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Nihil-Morari on October 24, 2013, 06:15:01 AM
I received Desolation Rose yesterday. First reaction, great album.

Where dud you order from? I pre-ordered from TFK's own web store so I hope mine comes in this week!

-M.

From their webstore, got it signed by Roine.

Got mine in the mail yesterday! The packaging is glorious! Still haven't listened to it but I will today, I am sure!!! Cannot wait to dive right in to it!

-Marc.

What version did you get Marc?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: The Letter M on October 24, 2013, 09:40:16 AM
I received Desolation Rose yesterday. First reaction, great album.

Where dud you order from? I pre-ordered from TFK's own web store so I hope mine comes in this week!

-M.

From their webstore, got it signed by Roine.

Got mine in the mail yesterday! The packaging is glorious! Still haven't listened to it but I will today, I am sure!!! Cannot wait to dive right in to it!

-Marc.

What version did you get Marc?

Got the signed 2-CD mediabook limited edition. It's really well done, nice and thick, and with beautiful artwork.

Besides, it's not a TFK album if it isn't 2 discs!  :rollin

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Nihil-Morari on October 24, 2013, 10:09:09 AM
I received Desolation Rose yesterday. First reaction, great album.

Where dud you order from? I pre-ordered from TFK's own web store so I hope mine comes in this week!

-M.

From their webstore, got it signed by Roine.

Got mine in the mail yesterday! The packaging is glorious! Still haven't listened to it but I will today, I am sure!!! Cannot wait to dive right in to it!

-Marc.

What version did you get Marc?

Got the signed 2-CD mediabook limited edition. It's really well done, nice and thick, and with beautiful artwork.

Besides, it's not a TFK album if it isn't 2 discs!  :rollin

-Marc.

Well, I went to the TFK site to check if that edition was still available, and for 22 euro's and free shipping I couldn't say no. Thanks for the heads up! I probably would've bought the regular single disc edition in a cd shop for at least 18 euro's if it wasn't for your message  :D
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: The Letter M on October 24, 2013, 11:20:54 AM
Well, I went to the TFK site to check if that edition was still available, and for 22 euro's and free shipping I couldn't say no. Thanks for the heads up! I probably would've bought the regular single disc edition in a cd shop for at least 18 euro's if it wasn't for your message  :D

No problem! I love supporting TFK through their web store, and getting the LTD set was a no-brainer for me, and getting it SIGNED was an awesome bonus! Hope you enjoy yours when you get it in! I've spun a bit of it now and it's really good! I'm hoping it sticks more than BOE did for me last year. I'll probably spin both as the weeks go along, and try to give BOE a second chance at hitting me, then seeing where DR goes.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: kirksnosehair on October 24, 2013, 01:44:36 PM
Got my signed Limited Edition Media Pack thingy in the mail yesterday.  I've listened to both discs once so far.  Bonus disc has some pretty cool stuff on it along with the main album.


Only one listen so far, way too early to comment on it either way, but it sounds very promising.



Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Mindflux on October 24, 2013, 07:51:08 PM
Got my copy from Radiant today with the signed postcard by Roine.  Sweet.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: kirksnosehair on October 25, 2013, 08:37:55 AM
I've listened twice now.  Good album.  Most definitely a grower that will require the *PRAT.














*PRAT = Prog Rock Acid Test - a term coined by PapaJim Harrell which refers to the process of giving an album multiple listens before deciding how good/bad it might be.  Many prog rock albums do not sound very good upon first listen and require repeated listens to truly appreciate.  The best albums grow on you as you listen more.  So, the term PRAT was used a great deal back around the time when Spock's Beard were at the height of their popularity (V-era)....once the term was coined by PapaJim, everyone on the Spock's Beard forum (a ghost town these days  :(  ) would defer commenting on any new music until they had subjected it to "The PRAT"







Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Nihil-Morari on October 26, 2013, 02:09:52 AM
I've listened twice now.  Good album.  Most definitely a grower that will require the *PRAT.


*PRAT = Prog Rock Acid Test - a term coined by PapaJim Harrell which refers to the process of giving an album multiple listens before deciding how good/bad it might be.  Many prog rock albums do not sound very good upon first listen and require repeated listens to truly appreciate.  The best albums grow on you as you listen more.  So, the term PRAT was used a great deal back around the time when Spock's Beard were at the height of their popularity (V-era)....once the term was coined by PapaJim, everyone on the Spock's Beard forum (a ghost town these days  :(  ) would defer commenting on any new music until they had subjected it to "The PRAT"

 :lol Let's bring that back!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Orbert on October 26, 2013, 11:42:10 AM
I didn't know that there was a term for it, but it's a principle that does apply often.  The whole point of prog is to push boundaries, do things outside the norm, but at the same time, there has to be enough familiar elements for our brains to latch onto.  The ratio is different for everyone, and will vary from piece to piece as well.

The first several times I listened to "Close to the Edge" by Yes, that intro was just cacaphony.  It was so "out there" that I couldn't grasp it.  Eventually I realized that it was in fact just in 4/4, and I could hear patterns in it, tonalities, then finally actual melodies became apparent.  Now, it's just a bit of music played by four guys.  Four amazing guys, but I can get my brain around it.

Prog is often like that.  At first, maybe too weird to register as "good".  Your brain is still trying to making heads or tails of it.  Then at some point you "get" it.  That doesn't automatically make it good, but at least you feel like you're in a position to make that judgement.  There's still a lot of music that I don't like, but I have to admit that I just don't get it, or maybe it's just not for me so I can't say whether it's good or bad.  I just don't like it (yet?)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Nihil-Morari on October 27, 2013, 05:05:29 AM
I didn't know that there was a term for it, but it's a principle that does apply often.  The whole point of prog is to push boundaries, do things outside the norm, but at the same time, there has to be enough familiar elements for our brains to latch onto.  The ratio is different for everyone, and will vary from piece to piece as well.

The first several times I listened to "Close to the Edge" by Yes, that intro was just cacaphony.  It was so "out there" that I couldn't grasp it.  Eventually I realized that it was in fact just in 4/4, and I could hear patterns in it, tonalities, then finally actual melodies became apparent.  Now, it's just a bit of music played by four guys.  Four amazing guys, but I can get my brain around it.

Prog is often like that.  At first, maybe too weird to register as "good".  Your brain is still trying to making heads or tails of it.  Then at some point you "get" it.  That doesn't automatically make it good, but at least you feel like you're in a position to make that judgement.  There's still a lot of music that I don't like, but I have to admit that I just don't get it, or maybe it's just not for me so I can't say whether it's good or bad.  I just don't like it (yet?)

Exactly, great example too. That intro is weird, but gets more understandable after a number of listens. Prog songs can be greatly complex too, with a lot of movements, and that's something too you just have to get to know about a song. I remember the first time I listened to The Truth Will Set You Free (the TFK song), and I really forgot what song I was listening to. Now everything connects, themes return and get revisited, and it's one amazing song, instead of half an hour of music.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: kirksnosehair on October 28, 2013, 03:33:05 PM
Anyone else who has this new album from The Flower Kings getting a sort of "old school Flower Kings" vibe from it?  This album, the way it's structured, the way the songs sound and flow and just the overall mood of the album really reminds me of the "Stardust We Are" era of the band...
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: The Letter M on October 28, 2013, 03:59:52 PM
Anyone else who has this new album from The Flower Kings getting a sort of "old school Flower Kings" vibe from it?  This album, the way it's structured, the way the songs sound and flow and just the overall mood of the album really reminds me of the "Stardust We Are" era of the band...

I do get a sort of SWA/FP-era feel from this album, but a lot of it is a good mix of TFK sounds from across their discography. It's a good balance, and I find myself spinning it more on release week than I did with BOE when it came out.

I am planning, however, to listen to BOTH BOE and DR, just to see how BOE has held up, and because I feel like I never gave it the attention it needed last year when it was new. It's also nice to have 2 albums back-to-back by the same band. TFK was/is quickly becoming the new Yes in terms of constantly changing personnel.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: ariich on October 29, 2013, 07:56:57 AM
On my first listen, and it's nice stuff so far. As is always the case with TFK it'll name a number of listens to soak it all in, but I like what I'm hearing so far. Just finished White Tuxedos, nice song!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on October 29, 2013, 12:13:05 PM
The first few listens of this were rather disappointing for me (probably because of my usual  :( reaction whenever I hear Froberg since instead of Roine :lol), but I am starting to like Desolation Rose a lot now.  The flow is definitely very nice, I like the recurring "silent graveyards" vocal melody, and there is a lot of tasty guitar work and dazzling piano lines.  Favorite songs so far are Tower One (love those unison lines with the guitar and piano in the middle of the song), Sleeping Bones, The Resurrected Judas and Dark Fascist Skies.  The Silent Masses struck me at first as another Starlight Man - great verse sang by Roine; weak chorus sang by Froberg - but the chorus is growing on me.

However, unlike Banks of Eden, where the songs on the bonus disc seemed to be as strong as the songs on the main disc, that is not the case here.  The exception being that all of the instrumentals on the bonus disc are really good.  I find it odd that they regulated all of the instrumentals to the bonus disc.  Most of the songs with vocals on the bonus disc strike me as being pretty average thus far, especially Lazy Monkey, which is a rare case of me not like the way Roine is singing, although that goofy ass vocal melody would be hard for most vocalists to pull off. :lol

But overall, this CD is sounding very good. :hat
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: ariich on October 29, 2013, 12:15:48 PM
However, unlike Banks of Eden, where the songs on the bonus disc seemed to be as strong as the songs on the main disc, that is not the case here. 
Agreed. I pretty much treat Banks of Eden as a double album, whereas I can't see myself doing that here. The main album is very strong though.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: kirksnosehair on October 29, 2013, 02:15:37 PM
I've only listened to the bonus disc once so far.  Can't really make a call on that.


But the main CD is great.  I think I might even like it better than Banks of Eden, too early to say for sure though

Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Nekov on October 30, 2013, 09:22:46 PM
Only one listen so far but I can say it's the album I've enjoyed the most on the first listen by these guys.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Nihil-Morari on October 31, 2013, 11:36:09 AM
This just in:

(https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1395407_594756080572771_849527656_n.jpg)

Great so far, I love the ending of Tower One, I am at White Tuxedos now, wonderful!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on October 31, 2013, 01:08:31 PM
I am kind of torn on White Tuxedos.  I love the musical vibe, and the vocal melodies in the verses are pretty neat, but I am not sure how much I love the chorus; it sounds a bit weird and clunky, for now. But it could just be that I am initially thrown by them having a chorus that isn't as lush and melodic as usual.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: kirksnosehair on October 31, 2013, 01:14:56 PM
Oh, man, I love "White Tuxedos"


"You black-hearted bastard!"



Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on October 31, 2013, 01:21:39 PM
To clarify, while I said I was torn on it, I am not saying I don't like it; I am just liking many of the others more right now.  But it's still early. 

The Wailing Wall from the bonus disc is definitely all kinds of awesome, and I swear, I had the melody from Burning Spears in my head all last night.  That's impressive when the melody from an instrumental can get stuck in your head like that.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: kirksnosehair on October 31, 2013, 01:28:48 PM
You'll chuckle at this, Kevin, but lately I've found myself liking Roine's vocals more than Hasse  :lol


What the hell is happening to me?  ???    :justjen   :facepalm:    :eek    :P 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on October 31, 2013, 01:32:01 PM
Sounds like you are wising up. :P :hat

But jokes aside, Froberg's voice appears to have lost some power.  I have noticed when he hits some major notes on this record, his voice doesn't sound as full, almost like its hoarse.  Granted, it has always had that kind of quality to it, but it appears to be more prevalent now.  But hey, aging takes its toll, right?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: kirksnosehair on October 31, 2013, 01:38:24 PM
Yeah, power vocalists like him very often lose some of the oomph in their voices when they get to be in their late 40's and beyond.  They should write songs in slightly lower keys so he doesn't have to strain so much.  I still like the way he sounds for the most part (hell, I bought all of his solo material!) but yeah, you can tell he's a bit tired now.


Meanwhile, Roine still sounds about the same as he did 10 years ago, and his voice has really grown on me a lot in the last few years.  :tup   It's very unique.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: ariich on October 31, 2013, 03:14:51 PM
I like Hasse's voice a lot, but Roine's has a beautiful quality to it. Different strengths between the two of them, and I've always felt they compliment each other really well.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on November 01, 2013, 11:58:00 AM

Meanwhile, Roine still sounds about the same as he did 10 years ago, and his voice has really grown on me a lot in the last few years.  :tup   It's very unique.

Well, it only took you around 12 years to come around to what I used to say on the old Spock's Beard forum. ;) :lol :biggrin:

I like Hasse's voice a lot, but Roine's has a beautiful quality to it. Different strengths between the two of them, and I've always felt they compliment each other really well.

They do, but I think the band could be just as awesome, if not moreso, if Roine still did all of the vocals.  Hell, look at how awesome Retropolis is as a whole, and Roine does 95% of the lead vocals on that record.  Same goes for the Garden of Dreams suite, where Roine sings every section except for the title track.  In a way, I think it was better when he was writing songs that were geared towards his own voice, as I think he sometimes now writes songs and sections that he knows will be meant for Hasse.  Froberg didn't really become a regular co-lead singer till the early 00s, and many would argue that the bulk of their best stuff is in those first four albums (all from the 90s), myself included.  In fact, I remember getting The Rainmaker, which was the first new TFK record after I became a fan, in 2001 and was shocked when the first song featured Froberg singing lead, as before then, he was, to me, merely the guy who did the occasional lead vocal, and now here he was leading off the record with a lead vocal. 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on November 01, 2013, 12:13:18 PM
Also, I think Roine has taken the online chatter about their double albums being too padded to heart too much, and I think that is why he made the last two albums one-disc regular releases (with a bonus disc).  And both of those albums aren't like The Sum of No Evil, where the bonus tracks were all just okay; the bonus disc from both Banks of Eden and Desolation Rose have some of the strongest material from either record.  But I think the criticism made Roine, who doesn't always react well to stinging criticism, even if he does take it to heart, go for more concise, single releases. 

Look at Desolation Rose again: all of those really cool instrumentals were seemingly just thrown on the bonus disc, while the main disc does not have a single instrumental.  That is quite a contrast to an album like Stardust We Are, which has a 20-minute stretch on Disc 1 where there is nothing but instrumentals (four straight, with one being an intro to another, two regular-type instrumentals, and then a short transitional instrumental).  That kind of stretching out made an album like Stardust We Are that much more awesome, as it is very sprawling in scope.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on November 02, 2013, 10:24:39 PM
Really cool interview with Roine Stolt:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2lpsplUb4w

Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on December 24, 2013, 11:06:22 PM
Many listens of Desolation Rose later, I like it a lot and think it is very good, but like Banks of Eden, cannot call it great.  But that is okay; not every album is gonna be a 5-star one.  And while there really isn't a single song from the last two albums I would call one of their best, nearly every song ranges from enjoyable to very good.  Yay for consistency. :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Nihil-Morari on January 05, 2014, 03:14:48 AM
I really really like Desolation Rose. I think it's their best since Adam and Eve, or even Unfold The Future. I love the way certain themes reoccur during the album, binding songs together. I've nearly only listened to it while driving, so I can't even say where songs end, and others begin, it's really an album imo.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: The Letter M on January 10, 2014, 09:32:21 AM
So I was looking at progarchives and noticed that TFK's last two albums happen to be their highest rated, and the only two, other than their first album, to have a score higher than 4.00...I mean, it's a BIT odd, but I guess it's good for TFK and their fans (and critics) if they can come back from a 5 year hiatus and put out two of their highest rated albums out. Not many bands could come back from a break like that and knock it out of the park like they have.

Personally, though, I'm still trying to warm up to BOE and DR as I still find myself still wanting to spin TSONE, PH or UTF more than their last two albums. I guess because they're still so "new" to me that they haven't really sunk in, but I did spin both the other day and I'm feeling a little more familiar with them now.

I still kind of wish DR has it's instrumental bonus tracks mixed in with the album like they did in the old days - do some lyrical pieces, then instrumental ones, all mixed in together.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: kirksnosehair on January 10, 2014, 12:58:54 PM
So I was looking at progarchives and noticed that TFK's last two albums happen to be their highest rated, and the only two, other than their first album, to have a score higher than 4.00...I mean, it's a BIT odd, but I guess it's good for TFK and their fans (and critics) if they can come back from a 5 year hiatus and put out two of their highest rated albums out. Not many bands could come back from a break like that and knock it out of the park like they have.

Personally, though, I'm still trying to warm up to BOE and DR as I still find myself still wanting to spin TSONE, PH or UTF more than their last two albums. I guess because they're still so "new" to me that they haven't really sunk in, but I did spin both the other day and I'm feeling a little more familiar with them now.

I still kind of wish DR has it's instrumental bonus tracks mixed in with the album like they did in the old days - do some lyrical pieces, then instrumental ones, all mixed in together.

-Marc.


The last two albums have been great.  In fact, I rate their last three albums, The Sum of No Evil, Banks of Eden and Desolation Rose pretty highly.  TSONE is my favorite album from this band, period.  But I'd probably rate their studio albums like this:



[AWESOME]
01 - The Sum of No Evil
02 - Banks of Eden
03 - Desolation Rose


[EXCELLENT]
04 - Space Revolver
05 - The Rainmaker
06 - Flower Power


[VERY GOOD]
07 - Unfold The Future
08 - Stardust We Are


[GOOD]
09 - Back In The World of Adventures
10 - Paradox Hotel


[MEH]
11 - Adam & Eve
12 - Retropolis




 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on January 10, 2014, 01:08:38 PM
I don't put a lot of stock in those ratings over at PA, simply because a lot of their early albums had their ratings tainted by collaborators who hated the band and gave them terrible reviews, thus knocking the cumulative scores down (since their ratings are given a ton more weight to the overall rating than normal fan ratings).  It looks like those specific collaborators aren't doing that anymore.  Plus, if you read the gigantic Flower Kings thread over there, or check out the TFK yahoo mailing list, while the last two albums have been fairly well-liked by fans, you'd never get the impression that most think either are among their best, so, while focusing on just the fans who post could be considered anecdotal, as opposed to the higher number of reviewers who give ratings, I simply do not buy that the fanbase as a whole thinks the last two albums are their two best albums, like the deeply-flawed PA rating system would have us believe.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Nick on January 10, 2014, 03:53:22 PM
Kirk... wah? Sum of No Evil is *easily* one of their worst albums. As bad as a hiatus was, the blandness of that album at least made it bearable. Glad they were able to recharge the batteries and have come back with some great stuff since though.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: The Letter M on January 10, 2014, 05:23:56 PM
Kirk... wah? Sum of No Evil is *easily* one of their worst albums. As bad as a hiatus was, the blandness of that album at least made it bearable. Glad they were able to recharge the batteries and have come back with some great stuff since though.

I dunno - I kind of agree with Kirk here. It's pretty good, especially with the bonus tunes added in, it's a solid 95-minute album with a good side-long epic and some nice shorter tunes. Dare I say, I like it more than A&E and TR as far as single albums go. It's not AS great as BITWOA or Retropolis (which are just classics IMO), but it's nearly up there. They managed to recapture that classic sound but it give a stronger, heavier twist in some parts while still being reminiscent of their old days.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on January 12, 2014, 08:11:37 AM
I'm with Nick here (how often do I say that? :lol).  While the last two albums aren't as great as most of the early stuff or Paradox Hotel, they are both far better than The Sum of No Evil, which I would say is their least best/worst album to date.  It's not bad; it's just not that great.  Of course, fans' opinions are all over the map when it comes to a lot of their albums, but for me, TSONE is by far the TFK album I got back to the least.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: pain of occupation on January 13, 2014, 12:28:44 PM
ya, we are an all over the place group of fans. kirk's two "meh" albums are both in my top 3.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on January 13, 2014, 12:32:50 PM
A big reason why I enjoy A&E a lot, despite a few average tunes, is the sound of it.  The drums sound incredible, and the bass is so thick and warm; it's a very organic-sounding record.

And Retropolis is totally awesome. :coolio
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: kirksnosehair on January 13, 2014, 12:52:59 PM
Kirk... wah? Sum of No Evil is *easily* one of their worst albums. As bad as a hiatus was, the blandness of that album at least made it bearable. Glad they were able to recharge the batteries and have come back with some great stuff since though.

I dunno - I kind of agree with Kirk here. It's pretty good, especially with the bonus tunes added in, it's a solid 95-minute album with a good side-long epic and some nice shorter tunes. Dare I say, I like it more than A&E and TR as far as single albums go. It's not AS great as BITWOA or Retropolis (which are just classics IMO), but it's nearly up there. They managed to recapture that classic sound but it give a stronger, heavier twist in some parts while still being reminiscent of their old days.

-Marc.


Yeah, it's just a taste thing I guess.  I don't feel compelled to skip any tracks on the last three albums.  On every other disc they have, there are songs I skip.  I guess I'm one of those people who doesn't really like any of those noodling transitional tracks.  I prefer the way they released the last three albums.  One concise, solid prog album start to finish, then a disc of odds and ends from the writing sessions.  Based on how their albums are getting rated lately, I'd say that's probably a fairly common view.

Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: The Letter M on January 13, 2014, 03:25:12 PM
Kirk... wah? Sum of No Evil is *easily* one of their worst albums. As bad as a hiatus was, the blandness of that album at least made it bearable. Glad they were able to recharge the batteries and have come back with some great stuff since though.

I dunno - I kind of agree with Kirk here. It's pretty good, especially with the bonus tunes added in, it's a solid 95-minute album with a good side-long epic and some nice shorter tunes. Dare I say, I like it more than A&E and TR as far as single albums go. It's not AS great as BITWOA or Retropolis (which are just classics IMO), but it's nearly up there. They managed to recapture that classic sound but it give a stronger, heavier twist in some parts while still being reminiscent of their old days.

-Marc.


Yeah, it's just a taste thing I guess.  I don't feel compelled to skip any tracks on the last three albums.  On every other disc they have, there are songs I skip.  I guess I'm one of those people who doesn't really like any of those noodling transitional tracks.  I prefer the way they released the last three albums.  One concise, solid prog album start to finish, then a disc of odds and ends from the writing sessions.  Based on how their albums are getting rated lately, I'd say that's probably a fairly common view.

Funny you bring up how their last 3 albums have been a single disc of concise stuff with the "extras" tossed on the bonus disc, but when TSONE came out, and I was huge in to making re-done tracklists for my car's TFK CD-r copies, I made TSONE a 2-disc album, with both discs clocking in at about 45 minutes each, opening with "Love Is The Only Answer", then going in to the four shorter tracks. The second disc opens with "One More Time", the continues with the rest of the album as originally ordered. It has a great flow and I love opening with an epic (a la "Monsters & Men", "The Truth Will Set You Free", and after the fact, "Numbers").

At least for BOE, I could put all the tracks on one CD-r, but the latest one just can't be bothered with to fit the bonus tracks into the main album, especially since there aren't any strategic track breaks - they almost all segue in to each other! Ah well, it sounds great either way.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on February 04, 2014, 11:28:11 AM
Listening to Desolation Rose again the other day, it really stood out to me how boring some of Froberg's vocal parts are.  And I am not sure it is his fault; they are just lazy melodies.  Take Tower One.  Good song, with a fantastic middle section (around 6:30 to 10:50 is totally awesome), but that main melody Froberg sings early in the song and then later in the song is just not a grabber.  Same thing with the chorus in The Resurrected Judas.  Both of those are really good songs that have some really boring choruses, sung by Froberg, that kind of keep them from being great.  And again, I am not even sure that is his fault; the melodies themselves just aren't overly interesting.  It makes me wonder if Roine specifically writes melodies with Froberg in mind instead of letting them just come out, and then sorting it out later (meaning, who will sing what).

Those instrumentals are the bonus disc are all dynamite, though. :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: darkshade on February 04, 2014, 11:45:16 AM
Most of the TFK ratings on Prog Archives are skewed from ratings and reviews made 9-10 years ago, up til 2007 or so. During the hiatus, I think they were gradually appreciated more, especially after The Whirlwind came out. Another reason I think the ratings are like that, is that the band's albums are a growers, but the last albums have had better flow, so the transition tracks being part of the bonus disc allowed the listener to feel like they're listening to one long piece.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on February 04, 2014, 11:52:36 AM
Yeah, the new album has a great flow.  It is easy to turn it on, and before you know it, it's over.  It's a very enjoyable listen, from start to finish.  But, like Banks of Eden, it just doesn't have any songs I would call one of their best.

But honestly, I think most of their albums flow really well, especially the early ones like Stardust We Are, Retropolis, Flower Power Disc 1, and even Unfold the Future.  The "transitional" tracks on Stardust We Are, along with the recurring themes that are heard here and there, make the flow on that record that much better.  And I love the dark nature of the 2nd half of Disc 1 on Paradox Hotel, as we get four darker songs in a row before waking up to End on a High Note.  The flow of that whole 33-minute plus section is immaculate. :facepalm: :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Xersiz on February 06, 2014, 11:35:22 AM
Last two albums are definitely better than most of their work, i just gave my 2 hours and listened Unfold The Future and there is nothing remarkable except Devil's Playground and maybe Genie in a Bottle (yeah,i'm including The Truth Will Set You Free). Numbers in "Bank of Eden" is a  far superior musical piece than their famous 20+ epics.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on February 06, 2014, 12:27:27 PM
I don't know, I think Silent Inferno is pretty awesome, too.  But I agree that UTF really only has a couple of truly great songs (The Truth... is not one of them). 

Numbers is quite good, but as great as I Am the Sun, Stardust We Are, Garden of Dreams, or Devil's Playground?  Not in my book.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: pain of occupation on February 06, 2014, 12:37:27 PM
come on, guys, im pretty sure its against thread rules to low-grade UTF.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on February 06, 2014, 12:42:21 PM
Nope, it's not. 

Unfold the Future is good, but it's not great.  While I like most of Disc 1, Silent Inferno is the only song from it that I revisit much at all.  Even with as much as I like Disc 2, the middle of it kind of wanders off into no-man's land for a bit.  It's good when listening the whole album*, but not as stand-alone songs when randomly picking TFK songs to listen to.

*But who has time to listen to an album that long on a regular basis?  Hell, just trying to get through all of the The Truth... in one sitting is exhausting, and that is the first damn song!! :lol
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: pain of occupation on February 06, 2014, 02:17:12 PM
touché. as much as I spun the hell out the album 18-24 months ago, it was a very rare occasion I played it front to back. in fact, I got to know the album essentially inside out before I ever gave Devil's Playground a second listen...I would enjoy the hell outta the first 5 hours of the album, get to DP and chicken out; just a daunting task to 'learn' another epic at that point. eventually started spinning DP on its own, came to realize I'd been missing out on possibly the best part of the entire album!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on February 06, 2014, 02:30:47 PM
See now, Devil's Playground was an instant grabber for me.  While many were going bonkers over The Truth Will Set You Free at first, I was like, "Uh, the other epic is miles better." Haha.  And I still think it is.  The Truth... is too long and tedious.  It has some spectacular moments, and the bass playing throughout is pretty sick, but as a whole, it just doesn't work that well for me.

To me, the hidden gem on that record is Too Late for Tomatos (even though it bugs me that they spelled the last word wrong, not adding the 'e' before the 's' when making it plural :lol), which kind of gets lost in being right after a huge epic, similar to how Astral Dog gets overlooked because it is seemingly tacked on to the end of Disc 1 of Flower Power after the Garden of Dreams suite.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: pain of occupation on February 06, 2014, 03:12:42 PM
especially when TLFT is probs the best instrumental on there.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on February 06, 2014, 10:10:57 PM
True.  I still can't get over how great most of the instrumentals from the Desolation Rose bonus disc are.  Most of those are probably the strongest tracks from those sessions. 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: pain of occupation on February 10, 2014, 10:51:51 PM
as i mentioned in the transatlantic thread, ive had kaleidoscope for how(?) long now and still havent dabbled 'much' beyond the covers disc. something to do with being scared of a let down or whatever. well, i went to throw it on about 6 days ago and for some reason (aformentioned being a pussy?) i kinda scrolled past it, i guess looking for something else to trump it, when all of a sudden TFK cathes my eye and i contemplate going with Desolation Rose...confession, the 11ish spins ive given most of the album these past 6 days were thrice how much i'd spun up until last week. it wasnt that i was scared so much as im not quite the TFK fanboy that i am Transatlantic. also didnt help that TFK are more of a spring band, so the release date was a little off.
long story long, this album's killer!  :metal as indicated, ive been obsessed with it this week. i liked BOE, but i really only loved three songs. it appears this be a far more consistent album for me.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: kingshmegland on February 11, 2014, 06:13:13 AM
Just picked up Desolation Rose.  haven't had time to listen yet, but I'll get a good day in after the boss leaves from his visit here.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on February 12, 2014, 02:09:04 PM
I think the clear standout songs from the main disc are:

Tower One
Sleeping Bones
The Resurrected Judas
Last Carnivore

However, I think the three best songs from the sessions are all instrumentals on the bonus disc:

Interstellar Visitations
The Wailing Wall
Burning Spears
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: kingshmegland on February 12, 2014, 04:00:12 PM
Boss is at work this week so I haven't had a chance but I'm dying to give it a spin.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on February 20, 2014, 12:33:22 PM
Boss is at work this week so I haven't had a chance but I'm dying to give it a spin.

Update? :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on February 20, 2014, 12:35:45 PM
Speaking of updates, having gone through a major TFK phase lately, here is my updated album rankings:

1. Flower Power
2. Paradox Hotel
3. Stardust We Are
4. Retropolis
5. Space Revolver
6. Back in the World of Adventures
7. Adam & Eve
8. Banks of Eden
9. Unfold the Future
10. Desolation Rose
11. The Rainmaker
12. The Sum on No Evil
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: The Letter M on February 20, 2014, 12:43:59 PM
Speaking of updates, having gone through a major TFK phase lately, here is my updated album rankings:

1. Flower Power
2. Paradox Hotel
3. Stardust We Are
4. Retropolis
5. Space Revolver
6. Back in the World of Adventures
7. Adam & Eve
8. Banks of Eden
9. Unfold the Future
10. Desolation Rose
11. The Rainmaker
12. The Sum on No Evil

That's a mighty powerful top three you've got there. I'll admit, I haven't given FP enough attention to really love it as much as I feel I should. My top three would be (in no order), PH, SWA and UTF, with FP in fourth...or SR. Not sure.

Either way, I feel like I'll be entering my Flower Kings phase soon enough with Spring approaching.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Perpetual Change on February 20, 2014, 12:56:08 PM
I haven't heard much TFK, but my rankings would probably be

1. Retropolis
2. Adam & Eve
3. Paradox Hotel
4. Banks of Eden

So... where do I go next?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on February 20, 2014, 01:00:43 PM
Anywhere, but The Rainmaker and The Sum of No Evil, which stand out as easily the two least best.  Both have some good stuff on them, but neither stand out when compared to the rest of what they've put out.

If you want a single album, go with Space Revolver or Back in the World of Adventures.  Or maybe Banks of Eden, which is pretty accessible, as it rocks harder than the average TFK album, and has awesome guitar work all over the place (especially if you factor in the bonus disc).

If you are feeling ambitious and want to dive into a double album, go with Flower Power or Stardust We Are.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: 7deg_inner_happiness on February 20, 2014, 08:13:25 PM
I have a real hard time ranking The Flower Kings albums.  I guess it depends on my mood at the time.  IMO you can't go wrong with any of them; they're all great listens!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: The Letter M on February 24, 2014, 12:02:49 PM
So with the recent burst of Spring-like weather in my area (Maryland/East Coast), the TFK-season has begun!

To start off, I've been rattling around remixed tracklistings for TFK's latest album, Desolation Rose. Like with other albums with bonus tracks (Space Revolver, The Rainmaker and The Sum Of No Evil), I'm trying to turn the album in to, yet another double album.

With so many tracks, and all the instrumental/segue-y pieces relegated to the "Bonus Disc" this go around, I felt like the main disc was missing those interludes, especially with how good they are, so I've taken it upon myself to re-instate them and create a 2-disc album, with each disc at about 45-46 minutes.

And for further old-time-y-ness, I made sure that each disc would feel like an vinyl LP, making sure each chunk of music would fit on a 20-25 minute side of vinyl, so there are four major chunks of music on my version of DR:

Disc 1
Tower ONE
Burning Spears
Lazy Monkey
The Wailing Wall

Dark Fascist Skies
Psalm 2013
Sleeping Bones
Desolation Road
White Tuxedos

Disc 2
The Resurrected Judas
Silent Masses
Last Carnivore
Badbeats

Runaway Train
Interstellar Visitations
Blood Of Eden
Silent Graveyards
The Final ERA


I figured "Psalm 2013" would fit great before "Sleeping Bones" since the former ends with rain/storm sounds while the latter begin with them. Putting "Burning Spears" after the opening epic made sense because the opening lyric references it and the closing chord/notes of "Tower ONE" segue nicely in to the beginning of "Burning Spears". Also, reprising "Burning Spears" from side one is the echo of it in "Paslm 2013", so there's a nice call-and-response on the first disc.

Closing the album with "The Final Era" sounded right, and cross-fading the drum roll in the fading notes of "Silent Graveyards" was easy enough, and it sounded totally natural, too. So after fitting those three bonus tracks in to the main sequence, it was a matter of filling in the rest. I needed shorter tracks to fill in "Side 1", so "Lazy Monkey and "The Wailing Wall" fit the bill. Opening "Side 2" was "Dark Fascist Skies", which seemed to fit better earlier in the album for me, at least, conceptually.

Not wanting to put another 8+ minute track on either Sides 1, 2 or 3, the instrumental "Interstellar Visitations" had to move to "Side 4" before the closing trio of tracks, and with the room left, I opened that side with "Runaway Train". This left "Badbeats", which would fit in at the end of "Side 3". I had originally wanted to open that side with it, but "The Resurrected Judas" just sounded better as an opener for the second disc.

I'm pretty satisfied with this arrangement, but it'll take a week or so of listens to get used to it. Luckily, I didn't burn myself out on the album last fall when it came out. As pain of occupation said, TFK is more of a Spring band, so I think I was subconsciously waiting til now to really give this a decent listen. It's truly a remarkable album, and a good step in the right direction from Banks Of Eden, which was pretty good, especially after a five year hiatus!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on February 24, 2014, 12:46:17 PM
Both tracks with vocals from the bonus disc are pretty weak.  Lazy Monkey, in particular, is pretty forgettable.  Strange, too, considering how great every bonus track instrumental is.

Banks of Eden has really been growing on me recently, though.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: The Letter M on February 24, 2014, 01:25:15 PM
Both tracks with vocals from the bonus disc are pretty weak.  Lazy Monkey, in particular, is pretty forgettable.  Strange, too, considering how great every bonus track instrumental is.

Banks of Eden has really been growing on me recently, though.

Yeah, I could see why those lyrical bonus tracks didn't quite make it to the album, but in the case of any "complete album remix" I've done for TFK, I've included all the bonus tracks related to a studio album, "good" or not.

I'll have to give BOE more attention as well. It kind of got pushed back to the back burner that year. I mean, 2012 had new Rush, Neal Morse, Marillion, and many others, so while TFK had a triumphant return that year, the others still kind of stood out to me. Almost seems unfair in retrospect, but it's not too late to go back and give it the love it needs.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: pain of occupation on February 26, 2014, 11:32:48 PM
Both tracks with vocals from the bonus disc are pretty weak.  Lazy Monkey, in particular, is pretty forgettable.  Strange, too, considering how great every bonus track instrumental is.

Banks of Eden has really been growing on me recently, though.

man i dig Lazy Monkey. short and fun. its kinda been filling in for Agent Supreme a bit lately.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on February 27, 2014, 08:51:21 AM


man i dig Lazy Monkey. short and fun. its kinda been filling in for Agent Supreme a bit lately.

Huh?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: pain of occupation on February 27, 2014, 06:44:40 PM


man i dig Lazy Monkey. short and fun. its kinda been filling in for Agent Supreme a bit lately.

Huh?

I just haven't been spinning much A&E lately, and miss hearing Agent Supreme...but Lazy Monkey helps me get my short&fun fix.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: The Letter M on February 27, 2014, 06:53:01 PM


man i dig Lazy Monkey. short and fun. its kinda been filling in for Agent Supreme a bit lately.

Huh?

I just haven't been spinning much A&E lately, and miss hearing Agent Supreme...but Lazy Monkey helps me get my short&fun fix.

"Agent Supreme" is from The Rainmaker, specifically the Limited Edition Bonus Disc.

Did you mean "Love Supreme", which is from Adam & Eve?

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: pain of occupation on February 27, 2014, 07:17:13 PM
the Japanese bonus disc of A&E has the 6 songs from The Rainmaker bonus disc, plus three more!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: The Letter M on February 27, 2014, 07:23:49 PM
the Japanese bonus disc of A&E has the 6 songs from The Rainmaker bonus disc, plus three more!

Ahhh, of course. I guess I recognize them more as bonus tracks from The Rainmaker since it came first, and the other three from the Japanese A&E 2-disc edition also came from the Space Revolver era/tour/sessions, so they're SR bonus tracks to me.

But that makes sense now!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: pain of occupation on February 27, 2014, 07:52:39 PM
ya, I guess my way's kinda backwards. I just don't have The 2 disc version of Rainmaker.

I kinda include the bonus disc when claiming A&E as my favorite TFK album. not really fair of me.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on February 28, 2014, 08:54:52 AM
Except for Harvest Time, which is pretty great, I never did get those bonus tracks from The Rainmaker or Adam & Eve.  And they are impossible to find.

Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: pain of occupation on February 28, 2014, 09:12:31 AM
could Agent Supreme maybe be their most underrated song?!

...i'm crowning it.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on March 01, 2014, 01:03:03 PM
Nah.  I can think of tons of great TFK songs that don't get talked about enough.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: pain of occupation on March 01, 2014, 04:24:18 PM
too late, its been crowned.

ok, how bout merry-go-round?
im spinning the fuck out of it lately, but I don't think ive ever seen anyone mention it.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: The Letter M on March 01, 2014, 04:42:09 PM
I was listening to Stardust We Are a couple nights ago, and I have to admit my absolute LOVE for the track "Don Of The Universe". Great instrumental track, and it's got some great, soothing moments on it.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: pain of occupation on March 01, 2014, 05:03:52 PM
listened to that song in the presence of my father Don a couple hours ago. it combos quite nicely with the aforementioned merry-go-round.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Mladen on March 02, 2014, 04:28:09 AM
The new album has really grown on me over the last couple of weeks. I probably felt the need to give it another chance because of Kaleidoscope. I like Desolation rose much, much better than the previous two albums. The streak of songs from The Silent masses to Silent graveyards is truly awesome, and Tower one and White tuxedos also have some great moments. Maybe it's time to listen to some of their classic albums, it just depends on my mood and all the other great music out there.  ;D
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on March 02, 2014, 08:17:19 AM
Pretty much every normal-length song on Stardust We Are slays (and even most of the short "transitional" tracks sound really nice within the flow and context of the album), and The Merrygoround and Don of the Universe are definitely two of my favorites.  I love how Don of the Universe is built around one of the title track's main themes, while having its own identity.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: The Letter M on December 22, 2014, 02:15:16 PM
All's been quiet on the Flower Kings front, but I recently found out that Hasse Froberg & The Musical Companion have a new album in the works, simply titled HFMC. (I guess it's self-titled...kind of?)

Hasse recently updated the band's FB page to reveal that they have been working hard to get it done, but missed their deadline to have it out by their original release date of February 15th (or something close to that). I'd imagine it'll be out in March or April at this point, with pre-orders coming in January or February.

I've been wondering if Hasse would do another album with them so I'm happy that they are. Between this and the new Karmakanic album next year, we're getting two tasty TFK-related albums, I'm sure! I just wish Tomas Bodin would release something new! The last solo-related work he did was with Eggs & Dogs back in 2009, the album titled YOU ARE (a follow-up to his 2005 release I AM), the second part in a planned trilogy. He just needs to make HE SHE IT IS and be done with it!

As for Roine next year, I've heard he's been working on a couple projects, as usual, but he never seems to openly commit to anything until it's nearly done and the press release is out, but I've heard he's got some symphonic stuff sitting around, a guitar-driven album, and something jazzy. Who knows. Another album by 3rd World Electric would be fun to hear, or perhaps one more from Agents Of Mercy.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: RoeDent on December 29, 2014, 07:06:48 AM
A little bit of a shame that TFK don't seem to be doing anything in their 20th anniversary year. Back in the World of Adventures came out in 1995.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: The Letter M on December 29, 2014, 11:47:40 AM
A little bit of a shame that TFK don't seem to be doing anything in their 20th anniversary year. Back in the World of Adventures came out in 1995.

Very sad indeed, although I wouldn't mind a live album. Been awhile since they released one of those, and they've had two studio albums to tour on they could pull from to make a live album. It could be one whole show or a compilation of best songs/recordings. Anything will do.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on January 01, 2015, 08:35:45 AM
Please, no more Agents of Mercy.  I can't stand that nasally voice by that poor man's Peter Gabriel.  Ugh.

As for the 20 years, I'd rather they write some new music, instead of forcing some release just for the hell of it. 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: The Letter M on January 30, 2015, 10:41:48 AM
Some updates from the Flower Kings Family Tree:

Quote
'So, the composition part of my new album "She belongs to another tree" is READY!
The rest is about the final touch...small adjustments, fine editing, a.s.o.
All in all there will be 10 songs clocking in around 73 minutes in total.

This time I´ve worked with a LOT of pure analog sounds like the Minimoog, DSI Tetra, Rhodes, DSI Evolver (partly analog). I also have a lot of my sad piano pieces.
Yes I would say this album is the most emotional album I´ve made so far.

I´ve created the soundscapes in a new way. Mostly "handmade" using the analog side together with some assorted pedals. I guess this is the true craftsmanship. Anyway it has been great fun "Absofuckinlutely" to quote my dear friend Felix Lehrmann.

Finally I would like to mention the little concept... everything is more or less related to "The Tree". And talking about trees, the slaughter of the Rain Forrest is still on.

However nevertheless I guess you will be able to get the album in a near future!. It will be released by Reingold Records! More info will come

Here is the final song list:

1 Dried leaves from the sky
2 She belongs to another tree
3 When the Ballerina Fish made her Gum Crawl
4 Damn I was stung by a Zap Goblin
5 The Sloths are never climbing inwards
6 A Drama Queen in a Sky Bar
7 Dancing a tree in a Paranormal Café
8 Tree Top Sunset
9 Night Forrest

10 Bonus - Shelter My Roots

With warmth.
Tomas'

Looks like Tomas has a new album out, but no word on release date or band members involved.
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Stolt et ses complices vont bientôt s'installer en studio pour concocter un nouveau disque dans l'esprit du progressif symphonique des années 70. Disque qu'ils nous présenteront lors d'un des rares concerts de Kaipa Da Capo.

TRANSLATION: [Stolt and his accomplices will soon settle into the studio to record a new album in the spirit of the 70's symphonic prog, disc that they will present in a rare Kaipa Da Capo concert.]

Source: http://www.terraincognita.quebec/
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Kaipa da Capo will play tracks from Kaipa's classic albums of the 70's plus tracks from their new album that is planned for 2015.

Source: http://www.terraincognita.quebec/english.html

Roine's Kaipa Da Capo (reunion of old Kaipa music) will be releasing a new album, even though the current Kaipa has had new music recently. Double the Kaipa, double the fun!
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The third studio release from Hasse Froberg (Flower Kings) and his band Musical Companion combines complex Rock energy, strong vocal melodies and majestic Symphonic grandeur.

Containing three 10 minute plus epics and instrumental dexterity galore, HFMC finds Froberg and his band delivering a confident and powerful statement on their Glassville Records debut.

Presented in a three panel digipak.

Pre-order for March 9th release at the special pre-order price of £9.99 GBP.
tracks
1. Seconds (1:47)
2. Can't stop the clock (7:22)
3. Everything can change (5:13)
4. Pages (15:23)
5. Genius (5:48)   
6. In the warmth of the evening (10:42)
7. Something worth dying for (5:31)
8. Someone else's fault (10:14)
9. Minutes (1:08)

The new HFMC album will be out in a couple of months, so fans of the first two albums should definitely look forward to this one.
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Jonas Reingold has a new Karmakanic album coming out sometime in the first half of this year, but no other details have been revealed (as far as I know) at this time.

Jonas is also working on a project with Nick D'Virgilio and Randy McStine called The Fringe.
https://www.facebook.com/thefringetrio

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Also, has anyone else spun Kaipa's Sattyg or the Barracuda Triangle album Electro Shock Therapy? What're your thoughts? I've spun the latter once and it was quite interesting, although I'd need more spins. The former is more of the same of modern-day Kaipa. They're good, but kind of the same after awhile. Both albums definitely need more spins from me.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on January 30, 2015, 07:57:02 PM
I'd be lying if I said I had any interest in solo albums by Reingold or Bodin. 

I like quite a bit of Kaipa's stuff, but they tend to be a band I'll go through a 3-day spurt every two years or so where I listen to nothing but them, and then away they go till two years later again. :lol :lol

The same thing pretty much goes for Karmakanic, with the exception of Entering the Spectra, which is one of my favorite songs ever.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: finn the fisherman on February 27, 2015, 06:04:48 AM
Some interesting news concerning Stolt.Apparently he's touring later in the year with ex-Genesis guitarist Steve Hackett,in his band.Stolt will be playing acoustic guitar,occasional lead guitar and bass! Has R.S.ever played bass live? Looking forward to this in U.K.in October!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on February 27, 2015, 04:13:27 PM
Sadly, Roine will probably make more money as a hired gun on the Hackett tour than he would touring the Flower Kings at this point. 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: finn the fisherman on February 27, 2015, 04:52:37 PM
Sadly, Roine will probably make more money as a hired gun on the Hackett tour than he would touring the Flower Kings at this point.

Very true!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: The Letter M on February 27, 2015, 06:31:12 PM
Sadly, Roine will probably make more money as a hired gun on the Hackett tour than he would touring the Flower Kings at this point.

Very true!

While this is VERY true, I hope that he gets some exposure through the Genesis fans/audience that come to see Steve Hackett's concerts. My hope is that fans who have YET to hear about Roine will see him on stage, ask about it, discover that Steve and Roine go back about 6 years and that Steve played with him on Transatlantic on a couple of occasions, and eventually discover The Flower Kings. Once you hit TFK, there's a WHOLE WORLD of Swedish prog that you can branch off from there, even just from current/former TFK members and their solo/side-project albums. It'll be really neat to see if this works in Roine's favor, but either way, congrats to him on joining Steve on their next tour! I hope he releases another live album so we can hear Roine's bass playing! Hell, I still need to get the previous two live Genesis Revisited albums!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: BRGM on March 18, 2015, 11:19:28 AM
Listening to Garden of Dreams, suddenly Dungeon of the Deep comes on and I get a strange urge to listen to Bridges In the Sky   :o
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Nihil-Morari on March 19, 2015, 02:00:14 PM
Listening to Garden of Dreams, suddenly Dungeon of the Deep comes on and I get a strange urge to listen to Bridges In the Sky   :o

That's strange! I got it after listening to the intro of Last Minute On Earth!  ;)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: seasonsinthesky on September 22, 2015, 06:56:34 PM
So "Devil's Playground" is a 25 minute song without named sections? Do I have that right?

Seems so rare for a prog band! Especially when the other epic on the album has named pieces.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: The Letter M on September 22, 2015, 08:26:45 PM
So "Devil's Playground" is a 25 minute song without named sections? Do I have that right?

Seems so rare for a prog band! Especially when the other epic on the album has named pieces.

They've done plenty of others, including "Numbers" and "Love Is The Only Answer", as well as the side-length epics from Adam & Eve, "Love Supreme" and "Driver's Seat".

And while "I Am The Sun" is split into two parts on Space Revolver, it was more so to book-end the album that way (think DT's "In The Presence Of Enemies" or Pink Floyd's "Shine On You Crazy Diamond", though both of those did have movements). I do not think the whole song itself (when pieced together is about 25 minutes) had separate named movements, at least lyrically it didn't.

Neal Morse has also, in recent years, released two epics without individual sections or movements with names - "Seeds Of Gold" (from Testimony Two) and "Alive Again" from The Grand Experiment.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: seasonsinthesky on September 23, 2015, 06:32:04 AM
So "Devil's Playground" is a 25 minute song without named sections? Do I have that right?

Seems so rare for a prog band! Especially when the other epic on the album has named pieces.

They've done plenty of others, including "Numbers" and "Love Is The Only Answer", as well as the side-length epics from Adam & Eve, "Love Supreme" and "Driver's Seat".

And while "I Am The Sun" is split into two parts on Space Revolver, it was more so to book-end the album that way (think DT's "In The Presence Of Enemies" or Pink Floyd's "Shine On You Crazy Diamond", though both of those did have movements). I do not think the whole song itself (when pieced together is about 25 minutes) had separate named movements, at least lyrically it didn't.

Neal Morse has also, in recent years, released two epics without individual sections or movements with names - "Seeds Of Gold" (from Testimony Two) and "Alive Again" from The Grand Experiment.

-Marc.

True, I forgot "Numbers" doesn't either, and it's one of my top favourites!

I wonder if this is indicative of whether or not the epics are pieced together from separate parts or if they are through-composed. Or, alternatively, if they get split by lyrical parts.

Personally, I like having a roadmap (even unnamed ones, like several in "The Same River" by Riverside), and having artist-designated transition times that I can choose to split myself. Sometimes these are obvious but sometimes not – consider the epics on Frances the Mute by The Mars Volta which, while given named sections, don't transition between them in a necessarily linear fashion like is common. And then you get "Cassandra Gemini" split in nearly random spots without a link to the named sections! Such a nightmare because of the people who decided that meant they had to use the section names from both "Miranda" and "Cassandra" to give all the separate tracks a name, despite all of them being part of "Cassandra."
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on September 23, 2015, 05:58:17 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if bands like ELP and Yes gave subsections in long songs back in the day titles so record companies would have spots to put minor grooves in the vinyl, instead of one side of an LP having one song with just the one at the beginning.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Orbert on September 23, 2015, 06:32:59 PM
ELP did, but Yes did not.  Part of the coolness factor with a side-long epic was that it took the entire side of an LP, with no breaks either audibly or physically on the medium.

"Tarkus" has seven movements and they're visible on the vinyl.  "Karn Evil 9" has three "impressions" which are true breaks, and the first impression is split across the sides.  "Memoirs of an Officer and a Gentleman" has four named sections, and they're visible on the vinyl.

"Close to the Edge" and "Awaken" have named sections, but the songs are single tracks on the vinyl.  "The Gates of Delerium" and all four "Tales from Topographic Oceans" are single tracks without sections.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on September 24, 2015, 07:02:30 PM
Hmmmm. I never would have looked that all up, so props to you for doing so. :lol :coolio
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Orbert on September 24, 2015, 09:13:36 PM
(I didn't have to look it up.  The vinyl hasn't changed in 40 years.)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on September 24, 2015, 09:59:10 PM
Damn, and I thought I had a great memory. :lol
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Orbert on September 25, 2015, 07:21:31 AM
The record albums I bought in the 70s were the ones I played over and over, and I went through "the ritual" many times.  Slide the record out of the sleeve.  Admire the sheer beauty of the medium.  The smooth blackness of the vinyl, divided, or not, into tracks.  No fingerprints anywhere, ever.  Read the label.  If there's artwork on the label itself, bonus!  Play the album while reading the lyrics on the sleeve or jacket.

You remember what you saw; you remember what you felt.  This is music.  There is nothing greater in all of creation.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 25, 2015, 07:26:59 AM
Behold, the words of the prophet.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Orbert on September 25, 2015, 09:10:25 AM
Not sure what happened there, but suddenly I felt the need to go deep.  Really deep.










(http://www.forestry-suppliers.com/Images/300/7961_93965_p1.jpg)


I did mean every word of it, though.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 25, 2015, 10:18:45 AM
My post was made with the deepest respect.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Orbert on September 25, 2015, 12:10:22 PM
Oh, I understand that, and Thank You.  But I'm pretty much required to respond with false modesty.  I think it's in the rules.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 25, 2015, 12:39:49 PM
But of course.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Nihil-Morari on September 30, 2015, 01:00:45 PM
Listening to Stardust right now, on vinyl, I love that record.

InsideOut is having a major Vinyl sale, I ordered way too much of it. You guys should check it out. Stardust triple vinyl with 2 cd's for just 19 euros. http://www.insideoutshop.de/Category/I_LOVE_THE_BLACK/202?Page=2 (http://www.insideoutshop.de/Category/I_LOVE_THE_BLACK/202?Page=2)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Nihil-Morari on February 09, 2016, 09:51:52 AM
I found a couple of TFK gems in a record shop in Paris. My collection is getting completer, I bought:

The Flower King (that album is way better than I thought it would be!)
Roine Stolt - Wallstreet Voodoo
Tour Kaputt (DVD)

I'm watching the DVD now and apart from the drummer (his style just doesn't really fit the band imo, and you sense that he hasn't been with the band for long) this is a great show.

Anyway, any news of a new record?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: The Letter M on February 09, 2016, 12:47:10 PM
Anyway, any news of a new record?

As far as I know, it's been quiet on the FloKis front for awhile. Jonas has been working on completing the new Karmakanic record, as well as working with Randy McStine and Nick D'Virgilio on The Fringe. Roine has been playing and touring with the Steve Hackett band for awhile, as well as the Kaipa Da Capo 70's line-up, and possibly releasing a new album with that line-up (while the modern Kaipa also still exists). Tomas just released a new solo album not long ago. And Hasse...well, I'm not sure what he's been up to.

I imagine they'll get the itch to write and record a new album this year, as it's been a couple of years now since DR came out, so I'd expect a new album late this year or next year (likely the latter). It also depends on if Transatlantic decide to get back together for TA5, which would delay Roine a bit more.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on July 09, 2016, 09:29:54 AM
Hanging out with a friend last night who is a fellow TFK fan, and after we cranked up a bunch of their turns from his massive playlist of them, several things became even more obvious about Froberg to both of us than even before:

-Most of their best songs feature Roine on lead vocals or at least sharing them to a large extent. Very few songs where Froberg is the primary lead vocalist are ones either of us would call a favorite.  Even ones where he does a fair amount of lead vocals - What If God Is Alone?, End of a High Note, A King's Prayer - feature just as much or more vocals by Roine.

-His voice has declined big time.  Go listen to his singing during the latter half of Rising the Imperial, especially the last two minutes, for example. Any time he tries to take it up a notch or two on the last two albums, his voice sounds very thin and hoarse.  His voice has always been a bit iffy for me, anyway, and it's now reaching the point of being distractingly mediocre. 

I guess this just confirms why the first five albums (before Froberg took on a bigger role vocally) and Paradox Hotel are my favorites, with me largely preferring Disc 1 over Disc 2 (Disc 1 is much more Roine lead vocal-heavy than 2). 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Mosh on July 09, 2016, 10:43:19 AM
I've never considered Roine a good singer, but I've noticed he put more character into his vocals on the earlier Flower Kings/Transatlantic albums, which mostly makes up for it. Nowadays his vocals seem almost like an afterthought. Something being done out of necessity. He still writes solid vocal melodies though.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on July 09, 2016, 12:15:51 PM
Yep, he doesn't sing as much as he used to, which may or may not have to do with some criticism he has taken over the years, some of which I know he took to heart.  But nothing can erase that incredible run at the start of the Flower Kings career, which saw Roine doing most of the vocals.  Just look at the amazing epics from the first five albums:

World of Adventures (lead vocals all Roine)
Big Puzzle (lead vocals all Roine)
Stardust We Are (lead vocals by Roine in all of parts 1 and 2, with Froberg doing part 3)
Garden of Dreams (all lead vocals by Roine except for the actual Garden of Dreams song of the suite)
I Am the Sun (all lead vocals by Roine)

 :coolio :hat
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: The Letter M on August 06, 2017, 06:41:14 PM
NEWS FROM THE MOON

There are quite a few wizards behind the ivories in the progressive galaxy –
But there’s only one jedi…

Ladies, gentlemen, droids and whatnots…
The circle is now complete.

Meet the master joining MOON SAFARI:

Mr. TOMAS BODIN

As most of you know, Tomas and Moon Safari go way back.
Back to 2003, as a matter of fact, when he helped us making the first demo
and later co-produced our debut album: A doorway to summer.

MOON SAFARI is really excited to work with TOMAS again.
We’re meeting up next week and will bring you and update then.

Peace! / Moon S

Tomas Bodin The Flower Kings


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Seems as tho Tomas joined Moon Safari, which feels like another nail in the FloKis coffin. It's been about 4 years since the last album, and Roine hasn't said much about wanting to do another Flower Kings album any time soon. In fact, last I heard, he was working on a follow-up to the first Anderson/Stolt album. Couple that with all the stuff that Jonas has been doing with Karmakanic and The Tangent, it doesn't seem likely that the Flower Kings will return anytime soon, if ever.

I'm not sure what Hasse has been up to, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's got another Musical Companion album in the works (which would be awesome). It's a bit sad that, after 5 years of waiting after The Sum Of No Evil, they pump out only two albums, then go back on hiatus for another 4-5 years. I guess TFK fans were spoiled, getting a new album ever 12-18 months for 12 years straight (95-07), but in the last 10 years, only 3 albums have been released.

I think if Roine wants to close the door on the band, he should probably say so. I always hope that whenever he posts news or I read an interview with him, we get confirmation one way or another, but he seems to dance around the issue. *sigh*

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on August 06, 2017, 08:34:55 PM
I pretty much assumed they were done after another hiatus happened following the mostly disappointing Desolation Rose.  Roine has other outlets for his creativity these days, and there doesn't seem to be any demand anymore for more Flower Kings, even in the tiny circles where people know them.  Oh well, they had a great run.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Mosh on August 06, 2017, 08:37:21 PM
Does Stolt have a main project? Seems like he just floats around like Portnoy. Too bad because I like him best in Flower Kings.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: gazinwales on August 06, 2017, 08:45:44 PM
I read somewhere that he was working on high resolution/5.1 mixes for the deluxe Anderson/Stolt album for release later this year.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Orbert on August 06, 2017, 09:02:59 PM
I always considered The Flower Kings his main project.  He just likes to do lots of other stuff, too.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: RoeDent on August 07, 2017, 08:18:38 AM
It's like Porcupine Tree all over again. Why do we even need definitive statements from bands saying that they are done? Why can't they leave the door open for working together again when they want to? And if that turns out to be never, then so be it. None of us know what's down the line.

TFK were one of the most prolific bands of the 90s/00s. Approx. 18 hours of music released in 12 years (1995-2007), including 4 double albums of over 130 minutes each, is a truly remarkable rate of churning out music.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: The Letter M on August 07, 2017, 08:43:26 AM
It's like Porcupine Tree all over again. Why do we even need definitive statements from bands saying that they are done? Why can't they leave the door open for working together again when they want to? And if that turns out to be never, then so be it. None of us know what's down the line.

True, none of us do know, but for some of us, it's nice knowing how the band and its leader feel about said band. An update or two about them would be great every now and then, especially if they intend to keep going. They can definitely leave the door open to work together again, and that's fine, but it'd be nice to know that they are willing to, and want to. Rather, Roine and company have been pretty quiet about TFK in recent years, as far as I know, and there doesn't seem to be a lot of urgency to get them back together after the last two albums. It just feels like Roine (and possibly the others) are done with the band, going into their second 4-5 year hiatus in 10 years. To be honest, this feels worse than Porcupine Tree in my eyes, but at least more than just the frontman/main writer have projects going on, which is good for Jonas and Tomas at least.

If they never intend to come together again, a definitive decision would be nice to hear, and I can accept that they'll never record again and be happy with what we've gotten in the last 22 years. I just dislike the anticipation of waiting for more TFK news when there likely won't be any in the foreseeable future.


TFK were one of the most prolific bands of the 90s/00s. Approx. 18 hours of music released in 12 years (1995-2007), including 4 double albums of over 130 minutes each, is a truly remarkable rate of churning out music.

Oh definitely a hugely remarkable effort. Their prolific-ness was one of their drawing points, and it's not like their music was bad at all. Sure, they had a couple less-than-well-liked albums, but even those sounded great by comparison to other bands at the time, and the performances were always stellar, despite changing line-ups. They definitely helped usher in the "3rd Wave" of prog in the 90's and if it weren't for them, there'd probably be a few less bands doing that kind of music in the 2000's and 2010's.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on August 07, 2017, 06:55:28 PM
I always considered The Flower Kings his main project.  He just likes to do lots of other stuff, too.

This.

I read somewhere that he was working on high resolution/5.1 mixes for the deluxe Anderson/Stolt album for release later this year.

I pray the second album is far more memorable than the first, which wasn't bad, but just very forgettable.  Definitely one of the biggest disappointments ever for me, given the two main guys involved.

It's like Porcupine Tree all over again. Why do we even need definitive statements from bands saying that they are done? Why can't they leave the door open for working together again when they want to? And if that turns out to be never, then so be it. None of us know what's down the line.

TFK were one of the most prolific bands of the 90s/00s. Approx. 18 hours of music released in 12 years (1995-2007), including 4 double albums of over 130 minutes each, is a truly remarkable rate of churning out music.

Great points. :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on October 26, 2017, 02:02:10 PM
Just got this email from Burning Shed. Considering that I only own 2 of these, this is a purchase for me. One is Unfold The Future and the version in this set is not the one I have. The price is right.

(https://burningshed.com/image/cache/data/The%20Flower%20Kings/kingsflower-300x300.png)


Burning Shed Page (https://burningshed.com/store/InsideOutMusic/the-flower-kings_a-kingdom-of-colours-1995-2002_boxset)

A lavish 10cd set collecting all the Flowers Kings’ studio albums from 1995-2002.
 
From the splendour of 1995’s Back In The World Of Adventures onwards, Roine Stolt and his band have created an ambitious Symphonic Rock imaginatively railing against the trends of the day.
 
Includes the 2017 remastered and remixed version of Unfold The Future, liner notes and an interview with Roine conducted by Dom Lawson (The Guardian, Prog Magazine).
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: goo-goo on October 26, 2017, 02:26:52 PM
Does it say if it will include booklets? I've seen other collections like this from Redemption and James LaBrie solo but I do not know if they have booklets either. Maybe somebody can chime in if one of you guys own the Redemption or JLB collection set?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on October 26, 2017, 02:39:22 PM
Found this blurb from the product page on the Inside Out Shop website:

"Featuring a brand new interview with Roine Stolt (done by Dom Lawson / Prog Magazine, The Guardian) and liner notes, plus a hand-numbered certificate of authenticity making it also a collectible release"

Not entirely helpful, but it mentions liner notes.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on October 26, 2017, 05:41:33 PM
Does it say if it will include booklets? I've seen other collections like this from Redemption and James LaBrie solo but I do not know if they have booklets either. Maybe somebody can chime in if one of you guys own the Redemption or JLB collection set?

So I have the box that Inside Out put out for Anneke Van Giersbergen a year or two ago. The Discs are in cardboard sleeves with the front and back artwork. Then there is a booklet that is essentially all of the liner books for all of the albums in one cohesive booklet.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 26, 2017, 06:42:47 PM
Does it say if it will include booklets? I've seen other collections like this from Redemption and James LaBrie solo but I do not know if they have booklets either. Maybe somebody can chime in if one of you guys own the Redemption or JLB collection set?

So I have the box that Inside Out put out for Anneke Van Giersbergen a year or two ago. The Discs are in cardboard sleeves with the front and back artwork. Then there is a booklet that is essentially all of the liner books for all of the albums in one cohesive booklet.

Thats what I figured it'd be. Thats convenient though.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: RoeDent on October 27, 2017, 08:42:17 AM
I own the Beardfish set. The five discs are in wallets with the artwork on them, and there is a single booklet which contains all the original booklet artwork and lyrics for each album.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: goo-goo on October 27, 2017, 09:08:54 AM
I hope this set comes like this with all the album booklets into one.

Thanks for the heads up guys!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: seasonsinthesky on October 27, 2017, 09:15:34 AM
Inside Out made a more in depth post about it on Instagram:

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The collection will also include the newly remixed and remastered version of ‘Unfold The Future’, which will be issued on vinyl for the first time on the 3rd November 2017 in a gatefold triple 180g vinyl package (include the album on double CD). Stolt comments: “For this re-release I have carefully remixed “The Truth Will Set You Free”, “Devil’s Playground” and “Black & White” - it wasn’t easy to find, or even remember, where all files resided. These remixes (more than one hour worth of music) are, as I see it, more detailed and better balanced - where I found this album to be painfully brutal, overly compressed and rough in the original 2002 mix, at times.” The entire album has been also remastered in 24bit/96khz, features liner notes from Stolt and still is a highly diverse stylistic journey that now can be rediscovered in its ultimate edition.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on December 09, 2017, 11:33:12 AM
Amazon has a nice profile picture of the box. They also have it down to $48. Got my copy ordered.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81pAJlt3kpL._SL1500_.jpg)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Orbert on December 09, 2017, 09:44:42 PM
Wow, that's a great price for this set!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Nel on December 10, 2017, 11:38:03 PM
Think I'll order it. I only have the most recent three studio albums and this seems like a great way to boost my collection.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: goo-goo on December 11, 2017, 09:39:03 AM
So the boxset doesn't include ALL of the studio albums?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: darkshade on December 11, 2017, 09:49:26 AM
I own all TFK studio albums, so there isn't much reason for me to get this, and I'm not a collector/completist beyond owning the studio albums.

However, I see there is a remixed version of Unfold the Future. This frustrates me because this is at least the third mix of the album that has been released that I know of. I know of one from back in the day when I had a "free" copy. When I bought the album, it included an extra track at the end of disc 2, Too Late For Tomatoes, and the mix sounded different, and many of the tracks segued into each other. I recall hearing The Truth Will Set You Free and immediately noticing that the music starts right away, as opposed to what I was used to which was a fade-in; I also recall a part during the song was played by a different instrument that what I had heard previously. I haven't been able to find a copy of UtF that has what I assume is the original mix, they all have the TLFT "bonus" track. I wonder if this new mix is like the one I described.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on December 11, 2017, 10:19:22 AM
So the boxset doesn't include ALL of the studio albums?

Only the first 7 under The Flower Kings name. There was actually an album before that in 1994 that was a Roine solo album that was titled The Flower King. That album led to the formation of the band.

They have 5 more albums after the contents of the box. Maybe they plan another box? Not really sure. Either way, it's a good deal and I'm jumping on it.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on December 14, 2017, 11:03:20 PM
For whatever reason, Amazon seems to have dropped the ball with this. I pre-ordered weeks ago and they can't even tell me when they'll have it stocked and release day is Friday.

Just checked Laser CD and they have it in stock with a price of $40. Shipping is no more than $5 depending on what you choose. So, yeah, canceled Amazon and got the hookup from Laser. This will end up cheaper than Amazon in the end. Can't say that too often.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Fritzinger on December 15, 2017, 02:17:13 AM
For whatever reason, Amazon seems to have dropped the ball with this. I pre-ordered weeks ago and they can't even tell me when they'll have it stocked and release day is Friday.

Just checked Laser CD and they have it in stock with a price of $40. Shipping is no more than $5 depending on what you choose. So, yeah, canceled Amazon and got the hookup from Laser. This will end up cheaper than Amazon in the end. Can't say that too often.

I think insideout is selling the box for more or less the same price! Dont know how much shipping to the states will cost though, since I believe all their stuff comes from Germany.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: RoeDent on December 15, 2017, 06:53:50 AM
The press release for this boxset referred to this as being "the first part of a career-spanning [anthology]", so there is more than likely another boxset coming in the future that will cover the later albums.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on December 15, 2017, 09:21:35 AM
For whatever reason, Amazon seems to have dropped the ball with this. I pre-ordered weeks ago and they can't even tell me when they'll have it stocked and release day is Friday.

Just checked Laser CD and they have it in stock with a price of $40. Shipping is no more than $5 depending on what you choose. So, yeah, canceled Amazon and got the hookup from Laser. This will end up cheaper than Amazon in the end. Can't say that too often.

I think insideout is selling the box for more or less the same price! Dont know how much shipping to the states will cost though, since I believe all their stuff comes from Germany.

Laser CD is actually the US storefront for Inside Out now. Not sure when that happened. Much like Burning Shed has become the storefront for England.

Burning Shed had this up from the get-go but shipping was high. Laser CD didn't post it until just yesterday. They didn't do a pre-order option.

Either way, glad I'm getting it and at an awesome price. Looking forward to Part II now that it has been mentioned.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on December 19, 2017, 05:32:51 PM
My box showed up today. Very nice set. The discs are housed in either single cardboard sleeves or gatefold sleeves with front and back artwork. There is a large bound booklet that is all of the album booklets joined together.

Also, there are only 3000 of these sets total. Mine is number 242.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Orbert on December 19, 2017, 08:09:49 PM
Sounds really nice!  :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: RoeDent on December 20, 2017, 01:50:03 AM
There is a large bound booklet that is all of the album booklets joined together.

That's really cool. You don't miss out because you're getting the box rather than the individual albums. That was what clinched it for me getting the Beardfish 5-disc box that IO brought out last year.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Mindflux on December 20, 2017, 02:37:49 PM
I don't see it on lasercd.com ?

Amazon is still in limbo
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on December 20, 2017, 02:56:36 PM
I don't see it on lasercd.com ?

Amazon is still in limbo

They mentioned in the description that they expected it to sell out quick on their site. I think it disappeared like 2 days after they posted it. Must have blown through their stock quickly. This thing seems to be in a bit of high demand.

Burning Shed and Insideoutshop.de both still have it. Bit more pricey plus shipping will be worse. There's always eBay as well but it looks like those are inflated already in price.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: RoeDent on March 01, 2018, 06:07:47 AM
I bought the Kingdom of Colours box set today (566/3000). Six of the albums are new to me (the only duplicate is Stardust We Are), so there's an awful lot of shiny new music for me to enjoy over the coming weeks and months.

Something noticeable is that about 6 minutes has been shaved off the 2017 remaster of Devil's Playground, the closing track on Unfold the Future. The box itself has it at 25:26, the CD wallet indicates 24:30, but the actual playing time is around 19:20.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on March 01, 2018, 08:11:45 AM
I bought the Kingdom of Colours box set today (566/3000). Six of the albums are new to me (the only duplicate is Stardust We Are), so there's an awful lot of shiny new music for me to enjoy over the coming weeks and months.

Something noticeable is that about 6 minutes has been shaved off the 2017 remaster of Devil's Playground, the closing track on Unfold the Future. The box itself has it at 25:26, the CD wallet indicates 24:30, but the actual playing time is around 19:20.

Yeah, Roine seemed to really change a few things with the remix/remaster. I noticed a couple of songs with some times that were a bit off. I have the original and after comparing them, decided to keep the original on my iPod.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: RoeDent on March 01, 2018, 09:50:44 AM
I'm not familiar with Devil's Playground, so I wouldn't really know which bits were omitted.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: The Letter M on March 01, 2018, 11:26:25 AM
Heads up - Roine mentioned on facebook that a second boxset is on the way for their remaining albums, which seems to me that this really does mean the end of TFK as we know it, and that's okay. They had a good long run with a TON of music, so if they never record again, I won't be too upset.

As someone who already owns every album, and some of them twice (different editions), is the box set worth getting? Being limited to 3000 kind of makes it something I want to own given it's "rarity", but I'm sure I could save the money for something new, like The Sea Within.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: RoeDent on March 01, 2018, 12:04:49 PM
I have to say, I'm really enjoying Garden of Dreams. The instrumental passage starting with that brilliant solo in All You Can Save is spectacular!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on March 01, 2018, 05:51:10 PM
The Garden of Dreams suite remains Roine's biggest triumph as a writer of music, IMO.   :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: RoeDent on March 02, 2018, 07:02:13 AM
Listening to The Rainmaker now. How come no one's pointed out that Sword of God begins with the same Agnus Dei choir sample that Jordan Rudess went on to use in Bridges in the Sky? Also, I'm wondering if the throat singer TFK begins the album with is from the same sample bank that JR used for his "Shaman".
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Fritzinger on March 03, 2018, 04:28:59 AM
Listening to The Rainmaker now. How come no one's pointed out that Sword of God begins with the same Agnus Dei choir sample that Jordan Rudess went on to use in Bridges in the Sky? Also, I'm wondering if the throat singer TFK begins the album with is from the same sample bank that JR used for his "Shaman".

Damn, you're right.

Plus, I always thought that that sample sounds like "agnus deshi"  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Fritzinger on March 03, 2018, 05:52:39 AM
I just listened to The Devil's Playground on vinyl, and I found out why it is shorter! Roine cut out a couple of minutes of weird jazzy instrumental stuff for the remix, WHICH DISAPPOINTS ME VERY MUCH. Why would he do that? It's like 4 or 5 minutes he cut out!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: RoeDent on March 03, 2018, 06:14:18 AM
Maybe it's not that important. It's like comparing Marillion's 2013 remix of Radiation with the original. They cut out certain interlude passages and while it seemed weird at the time, but then like everything else (and like Marillion sang on Living With the Big Lie) you get used to it.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Fritzinger on March 03, 2018, 06:44:00 AM
Imagine, Genesis cut out the whole Willow Farm out of Supper's Ready or Dream Theater suddenly skip The Reckoning in In The Presence Of Enemies. This is not something you get used to, nor is it something someone should get used to. It's also not 20-30 seconds or so, it is a full 4-5 minute long part. Plus, the wacky, weird jazz stuff in that album is why I love the album in the first place. Roine specifically talks about that stuff in the liner notes. Why would he cut so much of it out?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: RoeDent on March 03, 2018, 09:48:04 AM
From my perpective, I've only listened to DP once, so it's not yet ingrained in my psyche. I shall get used to this new version. There's plenty of weird jazziness elsewhere on the album.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on March 03, 2018, 09:50:37 AM
I just listened to The Devil's Playground on vinyl, and I found out why it is shorter! Roine cut out a couple of minutes of weird jazzy instrumental stuff for the remix, WHICH DISAPPOINTS ME VERY MUCH. Why would he do that? It's like 4 or 5 minutes he cut out!

This is why I made the call to stick with original CD release. He seemed to make some little and some very big cuts here and there.

What I found a bit more odd, is that my original version also has Too Late For Tomatoes which they left off of the remixed version.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Orbert on March 03, 2018, 10:29:24 AM
I get that it's the artist's call as far as re-editing, re-mixing, or whatever else they choose to do with their material.  But I would always prefer to have the original versions, the ones I grew up with or otherwise got used to.  They can include alternate versions as bonus tracks if they want.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Fritzinger on March 03, 2018, 11:29:30 AM
I just listened to The Devil's Playground on vinyl, and I found out why it is shorter! Roine cut out a couple of minutes of weird jazzy instrumental stuff for the remix, WHICH DISAPPOINTS ME VERY MUCH. Why would he do that? It's like 4 or 5 minutes he cut out!

This is why I made the call to stick with original CD release. He seemed to make some little and some very big cuts here and there.

What I found a bit more odd, is that my original version also has Too Late For Tomatoes which they left off of the remixed version.

If I remember correctly, Too Late For Tomatoes was a bonus track on the original album.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on March 03, 2018, 12:52:06 PM
I just listened to The Devil's Playground on vinyl, and I found out why it is shorter! Roine cut out a couple of minutes of weird jazzy instrumental stuff for the remix, WHICH DISAPPOINTS ME VERY MUCH. Why would he do that? It's like 4 or 5 minutes he cut out!

If he cut out the part from 19:00 or so to a 21:00-ish, that will make me chuckle, because I always thought that section seemed just totally thrown in there and the song would have been just fine without it.

Listening to The Rainmaker now. How come no one's pointed out that Sword of God begins with the same Agnus Dei choir sample that Jordan Rudess went on to use in Bridges in the Sky? Also, I'm wondering if the throat singer TFK begins the album with is from the same sample bank that JR used for his "Shaman".

Probably because Sword of God sucks major swamp water, and it is best to not talk about that atrocity. :P
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: seasonsinthesky on March 03, 2018, 05:19:50 PM
I just listened to The Devil's Playground on vinyl, and I found out why it is shorter! Roine cut out a couple of minutes of weird jazzy instrumental stuff for the remix, WHICH DISAPPOINTS ME VERY MUCH. Why would he do that? It's like 4 or 5 minutes he cut out!

This is why I made the call to stick with original CD release. He seemed to make some little and some very big cuts here and there.

What I found a bit more odd, is that my original version also has Too Late For Tomatoes which they left off of the remixed version.

If I remember correctly, Too Late For Tomatoes was a bonus track on the original album.

Is the Discogs entry wrong, then? It says TLFT is the last song on side E of the new vinyl and remains the last track on the new 2xCD.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on March 03, 2018, 07:36:38 PM
I just listened to The Devil's Playground on vinyl, and I found out why it is shorter! Roine cut out a couple of minutes of weird jazzy instrumental stuff for the remix, WHICH DISAPPOINTS ME VERY MUCH. Why would he do that? It's like 4 or 5 minutes he cut out!

This is why I made the call to stick with original CD release. He seemed to make some little and some very big cuts here and there.

What I found a bit more odd, is that my original version also has Too Late For Tomatoes which they left off of the remixed version.

If I remember correctly, Too Late For Tomatoes was a bonus track on the original album.

Is the Discogs entry wrong, then? It says TLFT is the last song on side E of the new vinyl and remains the last track on the new 2xCD.

They included it on the new vinyl but they left it off the new CD in the boxset. That's what I was talking about. Didn't make any sense since the original CD has it.

I just double checked my box and it isn't listed in the track list nor did it show up when I ripped it.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: goo-goo on March 03, 2018, 08:12:04 PM
Are the bonus tracks included in the boxset for the ret of the albums?

Maybe the next boxset will include all the extra tracks as a separate cd.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: The Letter M on March 03, 2018, 08:18:38 PM
Are the bonus tracks included in the boxset for the ret of the albums?

Maybe the next boxset will include all the extra tracks as a separate cd.

Roine mentioned on Facebook that 3 albums in the 2nd boxset will have their bonus discs. He didn't specify which, but it's safe to say they're most likely TSONE, BOE, and DR.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: RoeDent on March 04, 2018, 04:15:57 AM
Probably because Sword of God sucks major swamp water, and it is best to not talk about that atrocity. :P

In your opinion. I have yet to form an opinion, and would like to do so based on the music itself, not tarnished by others.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on March 04, 2018, 08:37:04 AM
Good luck. :P
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: RoeDent on March 04, 2018, 09:57:58 AM
I'm curious as to what people's favourite songs are on these albums (namely BITWOA, Retropolis, Stardust, Flowerpower, Space Revolver, Rainmaker and Unfold the Future). Let's enthuse about what we do enjoy.

I listened to Space Revolver last night, and while there are several amazing moments, I have to point out the solo at the end of A King's Prayer. Incredible!
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on March 04, 2018, 10:06:55 AM
Back in the World of Adventures
Big Puzzle
World of Adventures
Train to Nowhere
Theme for a Hero

Retropolis
Silent Sorrow
The Road Back Home
The Judas Kiss
Rhythm of the Sea

Stardust We Are
The Man Who Walked with Kings
Stardust We Are
Ghost of the Red Cloud
Different People
In the Eyes of the World
Compassion

Flower Power (it is 2 words, not 1 :P)
The whole Garden of Dream suite is amazing, with the first 7 and last 3 tracks really standing out
Deaf, Numb and Blind
Psycedelic Postcard
Stupid Girl

Space Revolver
I Am the Sun Part 1
I am the Sun Part 2
Monster Within
A King's Prayer (one of the few TFK songs with Froberg on lead vocals I listen to anymore)

The Rainmaker (still their weakest album ever by far)
Serious Dreamers
Elaine

Unfold the Future
Devil's Playground
Silent Inferno
Genie in a Bottle
Solitary Shell
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: RoeDent on March 04, 2018, 11:35:12 AM
Stardust We Are
The Man Who Walked with Kings
Stardust We Are
Ghost of the Red Cloud
Different People
In the Eyes of the World
Compassion

Replace Compassion with Just This Once and these are probably my favourites off SWA too.

Quote
Flower Power (it is 2 words, not 1 :P)
The whole Garden of Dream suite is amazing, with the first 7 and last 3 tracks really standing out
Deaf, Numb and Blind
Psycedelic Postcard
Stupid Girl

Beyond the Garden of Dreams suite which I loved, DN&B and Stupid Girl were two of the tracks that stood out on Disc 2 on first listening the other night.

----------------------

Meanwhile I'm currently spinning Unfold the Future for the first time. The recurring chorus in The Truth Will Set You Free is certainly recalling Yes to me. I could easily imagine Jon Anderson singing that passage.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on March 04, 2018, 07:00:01 PM
Despite that almost annoyingly-quirky intro, I love Just This Once.  Circus Brimstone is a favorite as well. Really, every song on that record is great, and all of the short little interlude tracks do a tremendous job of aiding the flow and giving the record a very cohesive flow.

I like The Truth Will Set You Free, but I don't love it.  And I never listen to it because it is too long, and if I am going to dedicate 30 minutes to a single song, it better be pretty awesome.  The bass guitar is the best thing about that song.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Fritzinger on March 05, 2018, 03:14:56 AM
I'll only list the albums I know very well.

Stardust We Are
- Circus Brimstone
- In The Eyes Of The World

Flower Power
- Deaf, Numb & Blind
- Calling Home
- Garden Of Dreams (duh)

Unfold The Future
- Silent fuckin Inferno (best song by TFKs ever in my opinion)
- Devil's Playground (the full version, Roine! The full version!)
- The Truth Will Set You Free
In my opinion, the whole rhythm section of this album is phenomenal. It has just the amount of Jazz influence I sometimes miss in Prog music.

I only know the others from hearing them 4-5 times, so I won't give votes for them.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: DTA on March 05, 2018, 05:48:41 AM
Back in the World of Adventures
Big Puzzle
World of Adventures
Train to Nowhere
Theme for a Hero

Retropolis
Silent Sorrow
The Road Back Home
The Judas Kiss
Rhythm of the Sea

Stardust We Are
The Man Who Walked with Kings
Stardust We Are
Ghost of the Red Cloud
Different People
In the Eyes of the World
Compassion

Flower Power (it is 2 words, not 1 :P)
The whole Garden of Dream suite is amazing, with the first 7 and last 3 tracks really standing out
Deaf, Numb and Blind
Psycedelic Postcard
Stupid Girl

Space Revolver
I Am the Sun Part 1
I am the Sun Part 2
Monster Within
A King's Prayer (one of the few TFK songs with Froberg on lead vocals I listen to anymore)

The Rainmaker (still their weakest album ever by far)
Serious Dreamers
Elaine

Unfold the Future
Devil's Playground
Silent Inferno
Genie in a Bottle
Solitary Shell

Awesome list, and most of my favorites as well. I'd probably replace Train to Nowhere with My Cosmic Lover from BITWOA and Road To Sanctuary and the title track are my top picks from The Rainmaker. Silent Sorrow might be their best "under-the-radar" song. Such a great track. I'd also pick Slave To Money from SR. So many great ideas stuffed into its 7 minutes.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on March 05, 2018, 05:05:18 PM

- Silent fuckin Inferno (best song by TFKs ever in my opinion)
 

It's not my favorite, but that song is definitely pretty awesome.

  I'd also pick Slave To Money from SR. So many great ideas stuffed into its 7 minutes.

Slave to Money is one of those really good songs that I never see get talked about.  Much to love about it.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on March 19, 2018, 09:19:29 PM
Second box has been announced. 3 discs of bonus tracks. I own none of these albums. This is a must buy for me.

http://www.insideoutmusic.com/newsdetailed.aspx?IdNews=22244&IdCompany=8
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: The Letter M on March 20, 2018, 10:21:59 AM
Second box has been announced. 3 discs of bonus tracks. I own none of these albums. This is a must buy for me.

http://www.insideoutmusic.com/newsdetailed.aspx?IdNews=22244&IdCompany=8

So, about those bonus tracks...they're not at all what I imagined (well, not entirely).

Bonus Disc 1
These two are from the Retropolis sessions, and were previously available on Édition Limitée Québec 1998
1 Kite 07:32
2 Buffalo Man 05:28

These two are from Scanning The Greenhouse
3 The Flower King (re-recording 1998) 11:46
4 Stardust We Are (re-recording 1998) 08:57

Of these five, I only recognize "Last Exit" (from the Japanese release of Space Revolver), and "Agent Supreme" (from the bonus disc of The Rainmaker). I'm not sure where the other three come from... a Fan Club disc perhaps?
5 Last Exit 09:17
6 Brazilian Woman 04:18
7 Dexter Frank Jr. 02:24
8 Agent Supreme 02:34
9 Space Traveller 13:10


Bonus Disc 2
I have NO idea where these come from, with the exception of "A Good Heart", which was a demo bonus track from Space Revolver's Japanese release. Do the other three come from a Fan Club disc?
1 Petit Heritage 02:02
2 A Good Heart 05:21
3 The Crown and The Cross 04:54
4 King of Grief 03:51

These three were available on the Adam & Eve Japanese bonus disc (along with The Rainmaker bonus tracks, which are strangely absent from here, with the sole exception of "Agent Supreme" above).
5 She Carved Me a Wooden Heart 05:59
6 Space Revolver 07:33
7 Jupiter Backwards 06:25

These three are from The Sum Of No Evil
8 The River 05:43
9 Turn The Stone 05:07
10 Regal Divers 06:01


Bonus Disc 3 - These are the bonus tracks from Banks Of Eden and Desolation Rose
1 Illuminati 06:20
2 Fireghosts 05:50
3 Going Up 05:10
4 LoLines 04:40
5 Runaway Train 04:41
6 Interstellar Visitations 08:24
7 Lazy Monkey 02:25
8 Psalm 2013 02:10
9 The Wailing Wall 03:18
10 Badbeats 05:24
11 Burning Spears 03:15
12 The Final Era 02:57



So all in all, I'm only missing these six tracks from my library of TFK songs, 30:39 length of music that I've never heard before in my life. Is it worth getting this box set just for these six tracks, despite already owning everything else?
6 Brazilian Woman 04:18
7 Dexter Frank Jr. 02:24
9 Space Traveller 13:10
1 Petit Heritage 02:02
3 The Crown and The Cross 04:54
4 King of Grief 03:51

EDIT - Apparently "Space Traveller" and "Petit Heritage" were on the 2004 Fan Club disc, the former by Michael Stolt, the latter by Roine.
Also, the other four were on the 2005 Fan Club disc, all Roine Stolt songs with no other members credited to them.

I was on the fence about the first box set, but if I decide to get the second, I'd almost feel obligated to get the first just to have the matching set. Ahhhhhhh... I really wish Roine didn't put anything "new" on these sets. It baffles me that most of the Rainmaker and Space Revolver bonus tracks are still missing, and no inclusion of "The Cinema Show" or "Little Deceiver" either.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: goo-goo on March 20, 2018, 10:24:53 AM
I think I'm going to bite the bullet for both box sets. I only have Banks of Eden and haven't bought any other FK cd. I mainly stream them on Google Play. With the inclusion of all the bonus tracks, then I'm in.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: SwedishGoose on March 20, 2018, 10:38:06 AM
Got the first box despite having 3 albums previously.

Of this one I have nothing.... so a no-brainer for me
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on March 20, 2018, 10:38:45 AM
I was a bit confused by some of this as well. Again, No Too Late For Tomatoes. They included it on the reissue vinyl of Unfold by not the CD or the bonus tracks. I noticed Cinema Show missing as well.

I just did some checking of the Fan Club discs on Prog Archives and it appears that most of the scraps are from various fan club discs.

I wish they would make the Fan Club discs available in some form. I know there is some decent stuff on those.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: RoeDent on March 25, 2018, 12:05:40 PM
So less than a month after I pick up A Kingdom of Colours 1, the second box is announced. As with the first box, I currently only have one of these latter albums (The Sum of No Evil), so it'll be nice to get the rest of them in one go, along with, so it seems, a trove of bonus tracks.

I can't see it in the press release, but Amazon has the release date of this new box as June 1st.

While I'm here, I'll post what I was originally going to post:

I've just finished listening to Space Revolver again, and I noticed that really intense low bass sound at the very end of I Am the Sun Part 2. The only other time a sound like that has been borderline uncomfortable for me was the long ending chord of Strip the Soul by Porcupine Tree.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on March 25, 2018, 08:36:00 PM
 ???

Why is that low bass uncomfortable?

Personally, I think it is pretty bad ass.  Jonas Reingold is a monster on the bass.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: RoeDent on March 27, 2018, 01:33:38 PM
It just is. I can't explain it beyond that. It certainly doesn't detract from anything, and it's certainly an interesting and cool way to end the album.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: KevShmev on March 27, 2018, 05:02:53 PM
 :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: The Letter M on March 30, 2018, 01:17:26 PM
As of yesterday, I believe, the second box set is now up for pre-order.

I'm still debating on whether or not to get it, especially since I already have the special editions of all the albums included, and would only be missing 6 Fan Club tracks... ehhhh. I'd rather save that money and hunt down the original fan club discs, to be honest.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: goo-goo on March 30, 2018, 01:26:49 PM
Finally pulled the trigger with the 1st box.  :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: RoeDent on April 03, 2018, 08:30:06 AM
Something that bugs me a bit about the boxset are the inaccuracies in the lyrics booklets. Verses swapped around (Silent Inferno) or entire chunks left out all together (I Am The Sun Pt. 2). As these presumably are redos of the original booklets, these errors must be in the originals too. It doesn't help one to get their bearings around unfamiliar music when these inaccuracies abound like this. Maybe one or two can't be avoided, but there are just so many here and it's off-putting.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Nel on April 04, 2018, 12:20:18 AM
Also pulled the trigger on the first box. I saw that the second one was up for preorder on Amazon, so I just bought them both.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: The Letter M on April 06, 2018, 11:04:53 AM
Something that bugs me a bit about the boxset are the inaccuracies in the lyrics booklets. Verses swapped around (Silent Inferno) or entire chunks left out all together (I Am The Sun Pt. 2). As these presumably are redos of the original booklets, these errors must be in the originals too. It doesn't help one to get their bearings around unfamiliar music when these inaccuracies abound like this. Maybe one or two can't be avoided, but there are just so many here and it's off-putting.

Looking at my original releases of those albums, for "I Am The Sun (Part 2)", the lyrics that start back up at 4:47 don't have lyrics printed after the initial verses because they're the repeated chorus from Part 1. Otherwise, all the lyrics are there.

And as for "Silent Inferno", my booklet has all the lyrics printed in the order they are sung on the original album. So either Roine switched the song verse around in his edits, or the booklet is misprinted. Either way, both instances are correct in my original releases.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Fritzinger on April 06, 2018, 11:15:31 AM
If I recall correctly, I noticed the wrong song lengths on the Unfold The Future CD too when I bought it some years ago.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: KevShmev on April 10, 2018, 05:21:44 PM
Call me crazy, but I think these box sets is their subtle way of telling us, it's over.  I think the band is done.  If so, kudos on a phenomenal run. :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: The Letter M on April 10, 2018, 09:07:08 PM
Call me crazy, but I think these box sets is their subtle way of telling us, it's over.  I think the band is done.  If so, kudos on a phenomenal run. :tup :tup

Coming up on their 2nd five-year hiatus, I think once we got through 2017 with no news, and Roine taking on more projects/tours, I knew it was over. Their last two albums were a nice last-hurrah, a one-two-punch of back-to-back releases for them to show off one last time, though it's a shame that line-up never evolved into a bigger of a deal.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: Fritzinger on April 11, 2018, 01:05:52 AM
With all the great stuff Roine is involved into these days, I can't say this bothers me much. He has The Sea Within (which hopefully will be great) and his project with the great Jon Anderson.

But I agree, this band has made lots of great albums, my favs being Unfold The Future (duh) and The Sum Of No Evil.
Still - similar to Steven Wilson, I enjoy the stuff he does now even more than his work with his main band.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: RoeDent on April 11, 2018, 01:25:01 AM
If I recall correctly, I noticed the wrong song lengths on the Unfold The Future CD too when I bought it some years ago.

Even more so now that Devil's Playground has been cut to a little over 19 minutes instead of its previous 24/25.


Looking at my original releases of those albums, for "I Am The Sun (Part 2)", the lyrics that start back up at 4:47 don't have lyrics printed after the initial verses because they're the repeated chorus from Part 1. Otherwise, all the lyrics are there.

And as for "Silent Inferno", my booklet has all the lyrics printed in the order they are sung on the original album. So either Roine switched the song verse around in his edits, or the booklet is misprinted. Either way, both instances are correct in my original releases.

-Marc.

Really? And there was me thinking nothing from Part 1 was reprised in Part 2. Or at least it didn't sound like it. I guess I need to get more familiar with that song. I wish they'd perhaps make that a bit more obvious though. When following along to get your bearings round a song, you don't expect to have to turn back a couple of pages like that. They usually print the lyrics again, or at least add "repeat chorus" or something like that.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Desolation Rose - Oct. 28/29)
Post by: Fritzinger on April 11, 2018, 01:57:12 AM
If I recall correctly, I noticed the wrong song lengths on the Unfold The Future CD too when I bought it some years ago.

Even more so now that Devil's Playground has been cut to a little over 19 minutes instead of its previous 24/25.



Don't even remind me, I'm still super pissed about this  :lol
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: KevShmev on April 11, 2018, 05:13:58 PM
9 years again (1st post in this thread), my album rankings was:

My personal ranking of TFK albums would go like this:

1. Flower Power*
2. Paradox Hotel*
3. Stardust We Are*
4. Space Revolver
5. Retropolis
6. Unfold the Future*
7. Back in the World of Adventures
8. Adam and Eve
9. The Sum of No Evil
10. The Rainmaker

*denotes double album

I think now it would be:

1. Flower Power
2. Paradox Hotel
3. Stardust We Are
4. Space Revolver
5. Retropolis
6. Back in the World of Adventures
7. Banks of Eden
8. Adam and Eve
9. Unfold the Future
10. Desolation Rose
11. The Rainmaker
12. The Sum of No Evil
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: Fritzinger on April 12, 2018, 05:34:41 AM
How come you rate The Sum so low? I think it's a great album. Zoltan was the best drummer this band ever had and he had a great impact on the band imo.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: KevShmev on April 12, 2018, 06:05:25 AM
I agree that Zoltan was awesome, and all three albums he played on sound great (sonically and all that jazz), but on The Sum..., the songwriting just isn't there.  It's not bad, but it just doesn't stand out like it does on most of the other albums.  If I had to do a Flower Kings top 100, it might get one song in there (The Sum of No Reason), and even that is a big might.  One More Time is the most boring longer song ever.

Plus, as someone who has never hidden the fact that Hasse's lead vocals are very hit or miss for me, I don't think it's a coincidence that all of the albums near the bottom are ones where he sings a lot.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: DTA on April 12, 2018, 07:32:46 AM
I agree that Zoltan was awesome, and all three albums he played on sound great (sonically and all that jazz), but on The Sum..., the songwriting just isn't there.  It's not bad, but it just doesn't stand out like it does on most of the other albums.  If I had to do a Flower Kings top 100, it might get one song in there (The Sum of No Reason), and even that is a big might.  One More Time is the most boring longer song ever.


Agree completely. I have played the hell out of their albums so much that I know nearly every song inside and out, but Sum is the one album that is a gigantic chore to listen to and that I lose interest in. I can't even tell you what Life In Motion sounds like. I actually like Love Is The Only Answer quite a bit.

My ranking would go:

1. Stardust We Are
2. Flower Power
3. Retropolis
4. Space Revolver
5. Back In The World Of Adventures
6. Desolation Rose
7. Unfold The Future
8. Banks Of Eden
9. The Rainmaker
10. Paradox Hotel
11. Adam & Eve
12. The Sum Of No Evil

I like Paradox Hotel for the most part, but Monsters & Men may be their weakest epic.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: The Letter M on April 16, 2018, 01:11:05 PM
So, I had no idea that Hasse Fröberg & Musical Companion released a live DVD/2CD set last fall, and just now ordered it from their website. It's a hefty set list with music from all 3 of their albums, but more over, their website news page posted in January saying that they were working on a LOT of new music for their 4th studio album, and have enough material for a double, including a 25-minute epic!

In the absence of The Flower Kings, at least HFMC is working and putting out new music, and while sitting here at work listening to the debut, I had forgotten how great these albums were! Looking forward to watching that live concert and hearing whatever their 4th album will be, hopefully it'll come out this year!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: KevShmev on April 16, 2018, 05:41:38 PM

Agree completely. I have played the hell out of their albums so much that I know nearly every song inside and out, but Sum is the one album that is a gigantic chore to listen to and that I lose interest in. I can't even tell you what Life In Motion sounds like. I actually like Love Is The Only Answer quite a bit.

Life in Motion is one of those songs where Froberg's vocals really let the song down. Roine sometimes had the tendency to write vocal lines for Froberg that seemed like they were meant for someone with power and range, but in the throat of Froberg, just came out sounding almost hoarse, thin and lacking any kind of strength or fullness. Really sucks the life out of certain songs.  And then there are songs where Froberg sounds really good.  It's strange.

I like Paradox Hotel for the most part, but Monsters & Men may be their weakest epic.

Despite some glaring and obvious flaws, I like Monsters and Men a ton. Some of Bodin's most beautiful piano work ever, and the ending is magnificent.

Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: RoeDent on April 24, 2018, 09:12:41 AM
Listening to Garden of Dreams. I love the flow of this suite! The three main instrumental passages are spread fairly evenly through the work. The first one from the solo in All You Can Save (4) thru 5 and 6 (c. 7 mins), the second and quieter one (again around 7 minutes) covering parts 12 and 13 bringing a breather (the choir outburst in Dungeons of the Deep is spectacular!), then the 10-minute instrumental break covering parts 15-17 before the closing Final Deal.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: KevShmev on April 24, 2018, 07:53:40 PM
Yep, all of those instrumental breaks are incredible.

Roine's guitar solo in All You Can Save might be his best. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on May 13, 2018, 05:19:47 PM
For those of us in the US, Laser CD has the new box up for pre-order for $40. Shipping was $2.90 for me. Jumped all over that.

https://www.lasercd.com/cd/kingdom-colours-ii-9cd-box-set-preorder
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: RoeDent on June 11, 2018, 01:18:26 AM
The second box set was originally set for a 1 June release, but then it got pushed back to the 15th, now Amazon's saying it'll be the 22nd. After the debacle surrounding the Spock's Beard release, I'm beginning to be concerned about InsideOut. Proof that when you go major (InsideOut became part of Sony recently) things start to go down the pan.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: SwedishGoose on June 12, 2018, 11:41:20 AM
Has anyone seen this:

https://cultuurpodiumboerderij.nl/programma/spocks-beard-flower-kings/

Spock's Beard and Roine Stolts Flower Kings revisited....

Anyone know which musicians are in the revisited Flower Kings?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on June 12, 2018, 12:43:14 PM
The second box set was originally set for a 1 June release, but then it got pushed back to the 15th, now Amazon's saying it'll be the 22nd. After the debacle surrounding the Spock's Beard release, I'm beginning to be concerned about InsideOut. Proof that when you go major (InsideOut became part of Sony recently) things start to go down the pan.

Yeah, Ken at Laser CD sent an email a few weeks back alerting of the push to the 15th and said that he expected things to ship before the street date. It's now the 12th and I don't have a shipping notice yet so I was starting to wonder about this myself.

I'm in no hurry. Just want the product to arrive correct the first time.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: Mindflux on June 12, 2018, 12:46:29 PM
My Kingdom of Colours 2 was at the house when I went at lunch time. I ordered it from Amazon.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: The Letter M on June 12, 2018, 12:47:25 PM
So make of this what you will, but a recent concert date announcement for Cultuurpodium Boerderij, Zoetermeer, Netherlands, on December 7th this year, features Spock's Beard (their first announced tour date of the year) and something called "Flower Kings Revisited".

So... what does this mean? Is Roine finally dipping back into the TFK catalog with his fellow Kings? Or Is he touring with different band members (though we can expect Jonas to be by his side regardless). I haven't seen anything from Hasse Froberg or Tomas Bodin today, but that doesn't mean they aren't involved somehow.

If a new tour is what it takes for Roine and company to reignite the Flower Kings fire, I hope this reunion results in a new album! If not, I hope we get a great live album from them!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: Orbert on June 12, 2018, 12:51:23 PM
Marc, I'm pretty sure it's this:

https://cultuurpodiumboerderij.nl/programma/spocks-beard-flower-kings/
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: The Letter M on June 12, 2018, 01:11:24 PM
Marc, I'm pretty sure it's this:

https://cultuurpodiumboerderij.nl/programma/spocks-beard-flower-kings/

Hmm, doesn't say much about the TFK, though it's interesting to see who SB has filling in for the drum throne!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: Fritzinger on June 12, 2018, 01:13:48 PM
So make of this what you will, but a recent concert date announcement for Cultuurpodium Boerderij, Zoetermeer, Netherlands, on December 7th this year, features Spock's Beard (their first announced tour date of the year) and something called "Flower Kings Revisited".

So... what does this mean? Is Roine finally dipping back into the TFK catalog with his fellow Kings? Or Is he touring with different band members (though we can expect Jonas to be by his side regardless). I haven't seen anything from Hasse Froberg or Tomas Bodin today, but that doesn't mean they aren't involved somehow.

If a new tour is what it takes for Roine and company to reignite the Flower Kings fire, I hope this reunion results in a new album! If not, I hope we get a great live album from them!

-Marc.

I hope not! Roine has been doing so much cooler stuff since he's not with The Flower Kings anymore... Anderson/Stolt and The Sea Within are both way better than the last two Flower Kings albums, in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: Mindflux on June 12, 2018, 01:18:04 PM


I hope not! Roine has been doing so much cooler stuff since he's not with The Flower Kings anymore... Anderson/Stolt and The Sea Within are both way better than the last two Flower Kings albums, in my opinion.

Anderson/Stolt was an absolute snooze fest.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: The Letter M on June 12, 2018, 01:25:19 PM
So make of this what you will, but a recent concert date announcement for Cultuurpodium Boerderij, Zoetermeer, Netherlands, on December 7th this year, features Spock's Beard (their first announced tour date of the year) and something called "Flower Kings Revisited".

So... what does this mean? Is Roine finally dipping back into the TFK catalog with his fellow Kings? Or Is he touring with different band members (though we can expect Jonas to be by his side regardless). I haven't seen anything from Hasse Froberg or Tomas Bodin today, but that doesn't mean they aren't involved somehow.

If a new tour is what it takes for Roine and company to reignite the Flower Kings fire, I hope this reunion results in a new album! If not, I hope we get a great live album from them!

-Marc.

I hope not! Roine has been doing so much cooler stuff since he's not with The Flower Kings anymore... Anderson/Stolt and The Sea Within are both way better than the last two Flower Kings albums, in my opinion.

Having not heard TSW yet, I can't compare, but to me, Anderson/Stolt was a bit of a bore for me. It was too much Anderson, not enough Stolt for him to get "equal billing" in the band name.

Then again, I quite liked the last two TFK albums, more so Desolation Rose than Banks Of Eden, but both were pretty good-to-great over-all.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: Orbert on June 12, 2018, 01:29:18 PM
I hope not! Roine has been doing so much cooler stuff since he's not with The Flower Kings anymore... Anderson/Stolt and The Sea Within are both way better than the last two Flower Kings albums, in my opinion.

Anderson/Stolt was an absolute snooze fest.


I had high hopes for Anderson/Stolt, but yeah, it completely failed to excite.  Nice enough sounding, but no balls.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: DTA on June 12, 2018, 02:20:31 PM
I could've sworn I read that Roine wanted to go out and play material from The Flower King album on tour. Maybe that's this?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: KevShmev on June 12, 2018, 06:56:44 PM


I had high hopes for Anderson/Stolt, but yeah, it completely failed to excite.  Nice enough sounding, but no balls.

That was my impression.  It felt like Stolt was more content to be Jon Anderson's backing band, and Anderson can get way too wordy at times. That is what the album felt like.  It wasn't bad, but just kind of there.  I am cautiously optimistic that the second will be a lot better.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: Orbert on June 12, 2018, 10:58:49 PM
I didn't realize that they were gonna do a second one, but if so then cautiously optimistic sounds about right.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: SwedishGoose on June 12, 2018, 11:23:08 PM
I like the Andersson / Stolt record a lot.... but yes it is more Andersson / Yes than FK
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: Fritzinger on June 13, 2018, 12:30:01 AM
I think you guys are underestimating Stolts work on that album! Sure, the melodies are all recognisable as 100% Anderson, but the whole arrangements, the structure of the songs, a lot of harmonies are typical Stolt. Andersons output in the last 130 years have basically been his melodies and vocals, poorly arranged. I am very glad he found someone who can deal with his peculiar melodies and put them in a great instrumental context. Just like Yes did. This was A/S's first album. I get it, maybe Jon overdid it a little with the truth, the soul, the glorious and the we are one with the earth stuff. But I am very excited for a second alum.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: SwedishGoose on June 13, 2018, 04:47:25 AM
Spock's Beard / The Flower Kings revisited tour announced


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156530666970439&id=289541335438



New Flower Kings tune coming!!!!


Two tourdates in Sweden!!!!

Soo happy!!!@
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: PepeLePew on June 13, 2018, 05:54:31 AM
SAGA's Mike Thorne drumming for them (Spock's Beard) on tour???

NICE!!!!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: KevShmev on June 13, 2018, 05:52:07 PM
Since Roine said a "few new faces," I am going to guess right away that Tomas Bodin will not be a part of this. I would guess Roine, Jonas and Hasse will be a part of it, with Roine getting a different drummer and keyboard player, and maybe another "jack of all trades" player, hence the "revisited" tag instead of just calling them the Flower Kings.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: SwedishGoose on June 13, 2018, 06:46:06 PM
According to the promotor that booked them for Sweden Roine, Jonas and Hasse are confirmed so far.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: darkshade on June 13, 2018, 09:35:07 PM
I've never warmed up to Desolation Rose, the album just kind of happens when I listen to it (which is pretty infrequently.)
I'd like to see more TFK albums in the future, but if it's more of DR, then no. Still, I'd like to see this music get played, they've created a lot of music.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: jasc15 on June 13, 2018, 10:40:31 PM
New here.  I've heard about the flower Kings for like 10 or 12 years since browsing these forums in one form or another, but only just now actually listened to them, and only because they appear on Pandora occasionally.  Wow, Big Puzzle!  I hope this isn't their peak, with the rest of their music leaving me underwhelmed.  I think I'll pick up the album and give it a cover to cover spin.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: RoeDent on June 14, 2018, 01:22:12 AM
New here.  I've heard about the flower Kings for like 10 or 12 years since browsing these forums in one form or another, but only just now actually listened to them, and only because they appear on Pandora occasionally.  Wow, Big Puzzle!  I hope this isn't their peak, with the rest of their music leaving me underwhelmed.  I think I'll pick up the album and give it a cover to cover spin.

It'd have to be quite special to top something like Stardust We Are or Garden of Dreams.

And on the tour, I got the impression from the story that it's not The Flower Kings proper, but a new touring band playing TFK material, focusing in part on The Flower King album. Notice the small s after King on the logo. And the name change to Roine Stolt's The Flower King(s) Revisited. Basically, Stolt's pulling a Yes/Queensryche/Kaipa. This is a further nail in the coffin of the original Flower Kings. They are done.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: KevShmev on June 14, 2018, 05:51:35 AM
Big Puzzle is pretty amazing and definitely one of their best songs, but there are tons of other great TFK tunes out there to snack on. :hat
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: jasc15 on June 14, 2018, 07:34:30 AM
New here.  I've heard about the flower Kings for like 10 or 12 years since browsing these forums in one form or another, but only just now actually listened to them, and only because they appear on Pandora occasionally.  Wow, Big Puzzle!  I hope this isn't their peak, with the rest of their music leaving me underwhelmed.  I think I'll pick up the album and give it a cover to cover spin.

It'd have to be quite special to top something like Stardust We Are or Garden of Dreams.

And on the tour, I got the impression from the story that it's not The Flower Kings proper, but a new touring band playing TFK material, focusing in part on The Flower King album. Notice the small s after King on the logo. And the name change to Roine Stolt's The Flower King(s) Revisited. Basically, Stolt's pulling a Yes/Queensryche/Kaipa. This is a further nail in the coffin of the original Flower Kings. They are done.
Oh jeez, another "which is the real band?" situation.  I'm not about to get hung up on that stuff.  Ill just listen to Back In the World of Adventures.

BTW, I've never purchased an MP3 album.  In fact, I haven't purchased much new music at all in the last 5-10 years, and when I have, it was on CD.  Does it really matter where I buy it?  Amazon has it for $8.99.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: jasc15 on June 28, 2018, 12:41:34 PM
Bought it on google play.  I just realized i had a bunch of play credit, so its basically free.  I was wondering about bit rates of downloaded mp3 files, but since 99% of my listening these days is in the car, it doesn't really matter.  The google play files are 320 kbps anyway.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: KevShmev on June 28, 2018, 06:15:49 PM
Bought it on google play.  I just realized i had a bunch of play credit, so its basically free.  I was wondering about bit rates of downloaded mp3 files, but since 99% of my listening these days is in the car, it doesn't really matter.  The google play files are 320 kbps anyway.

 :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: jasc15 on July 03, 2018, 09:45:33 AM
That bit at about 2:30 in Big Puzzle sounds lifted right from a Genesis song, but I can't figure which one exactly.  Maybe The Musical Box?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: DTA on July 03, 2018, 10:44:16 AM
That bit at about 2:30 in Big Puzzle sounds lifted right from a Genesis song, but I can't figure which one exactly.  Maybe The Musical Box?

Kind of reminds me of It, but doesn’t sound like a rip-off or anything.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: KevShmev on July 03, 2018, 05:21:49 PM
That part never struck me as sounding like a specific part of a Genesis song.  It has, however, always struck me as an amazing part of an amazing song. :coolio
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: RoeDent on August 14, 2018, 12:02:49 PM
Listening to Unfold the Future this evening, and I find another lengthy instrumental passage stretching across multiple songs. The last vocal in Black and White is around 1:45, so from there we count c. 5 mins to that song's ending at 7:07. Then all of Christianopel (8:15) and the first 2:45 of Silent Inferno, giving us a stretch of a good 16 minutes without any vocals. This is still some way short of the c. 21-minute instrumental stretch from the end of Church of Your Heart, thru Poor Mr. Rain's Ordinary Guitar, The Man Who Walked With Kings, Circus Brimstone, Crying Clown, up to the start of Compassion. So far, this is the longest stretch of instrumental I've found on an album that's not entirely instrumental.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: Nick on August 14, 2018, 12:30:54 PM
Anyone who has been following on Facebook might have seen some comments, but my earlier suspicions are certainly confirmed, Roine and Tomas are definitely not on great terms right now.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: RoeDent on August 14, 2018, 01:24:56 PM
That's a shame. It often happens to bands with a clear lead figure. See also PT/Steven Wilson. It's very much a "I'm the main man, you're my backup band" situation. And that can only last so long. TFK had a great run though, releasing an extraordinary amount of music for such a relatively short period of time.

(For the record, I'm not aware of any animosity between Porcupine Tree and Steven Wilson. I'm just comparing them because both PT and TFK started off as solo projects by Steven Wilson and Roine Stolt respectively, before evolving into full-time bands.)
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: The Letter M on August 14, 2018, 05:45:20 PM
Anyone who has been following on Facebook might have seen some comments, but my earlier suspicions are certainly confirmed, Roine and Tomas are definitely not on great terms right now.

Agreed, that is a huge shame. They made some amazing music together in TFK (and other bands). I wonder what happened...obviously, I doubt we'll ever know unless someone writes a TFK biography in the future and we find out years and years later...

I guess this is why Roine and Jonas are taking TFK music on the road with SB, but with an entirely new band behind them. I guess The Flower Kings, as we knew them, really are done. It was a good run, but at least this is a more definitive answer and we won't have to keep guessing whether or not there will be any more TFK.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: Orbert on August 14, 2018, 06:25:57 PM
For the benefit of those who don't follow bands on social media, can someone summarize what was said or what happened?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: KevShmev on August 14, 2018, 06:30:04 PM
I haven't seen it, but I remember there being some tension between Roine and Tomas in the late 00's (it was talked about a lot on the TFK yahoo mailing list at the time), which I think was a big part of why they took a few years off.  They got back together for two albums in the early 10's, but my guess is that they had trouble getting along again over the long haul, which is why the band hasn't worked together again for nearly five years.  TFK was clearly the result of Roine's vision, but Tomas' input and playing was integral to the band. 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: KevShmev on August 18, 2018, 08:09:59 AM
A friend bought the remixed Unfold the Future and played Devil's Playground for me last night.

Ugh.

Seriously.  Ugh.

I cannot believe he cut out the section right around the 10-minute mark.  That section with the evil riff is one of my favorite moments of the entire Unfold the Future record. 

Plus, the remix took away a lot of the bite of the main riff.  Yeah yeah, everything is clearer and more stuff, previously buried, is fleshed out more, but the main riff sounds like someone turned his amp way down.

Major disappointment.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: DTA on August 18, 2018, 08:20:27 AM
A friend bought the remixed Unfold the Future and played Devil's Playground for me last night.

Ugh.

Seriously.  Ugh.

I cannot believe he cut out the section right around the 10-minute mark.  That section with the evil riff is one of my favorite moments of the entire Unfold the Future record. 

Plus, the remix took away a lot of the bite of the main riff.  Yeah yeah, everything is clearer and more stuff, previously buried, is fleshed out more, but the main riff sounds like someone turned his amp way down.

Major disappointment.

That's really bizarre. Were there any liner notes that mentioned why this part was cut out? Roine seems off his creative game lately. His recent releases have been lackluster and he just seems to have lost his ability to create meaningful productions anymore. I may like TFK as a whole more than SB/Neal Morse, and I always sort of made a parallel between Roine and Neal as the essential modern-day prog composers, but Neal has definitely kept his game on on point and evolved better than Roine has.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: KevShmev on August 18, 2018, 08:40:14 AM
I've always liked TFK more than Spock's, but in the last 15 years, Neal has lapped Roine several times when it comes to making great records.  Paradox Hotel is the only TFK album (in the last 15 years) I would put in the same league with many of Neal's solo prog albums (The Whirlwind is a wash since they both had a big hand in writing it).

I actually made a similar observation last night to that friend, about how Roine's creativity seems to be dwindling or at least off his game.  The Anderson/Stolt album was somewhat of a snoozer, the Sea Within CD is just okay, and now this brutal remix of what was previously a great TFK song.  Bummer to see, but given his incredible and prolific creative output from 1994-2002 (TFK, TA, etc.), I can't quibble too much. 
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: RoeDent on August 18, 2018, 09:24:42 AM
A friend bought the remixed Unfold the Future and played Devil's Playground for me last night.

Ugh.

Seriously.  Ugh.

I cannot believe he cut out the section right around the 10-minute mark.  That section with the evil riff is one of my favorite moments of the entire Unfold the Future record. 

Plus, the remix took away a lot of the bite of the main riff.  Yeah yeah, everything is clearer and more stuff, previously buried, is fleshed out more, but the main riff sounds like someone turned his amp way down.

Major disappointment.

Yeah, there's a solid 6 minutes cut out of the remix. It's even more disappointing that the back of the box has the length as 25:26, so you think you're getting the full song.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: KevShmev on August 18, 2018, 11:10:48 PM
That does seem odd.  Remixing the song and cutting part of it is just a horrible decision. I know, it's their song and they can do whatever they want with it, and we still have the original to get the whole song, but putting the original time length on there when it is cut down seems like false advertisement to me.  They should be better than that.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: Fritzinger on August 20, 2018, 04:20:59 AM
A friend bought the remixed Unfold the Future and played Devil's Playground for me last night.

Ugh.

Seriously.  Ugh.

I cannot believe he cut out the section right around the 10-minute mark.  That section with the evil riff is one of my favorite moments of the entire Unfold the Future record. 

Plus, the remix took away a lot of the bite of the main riff.  Yeah yeah, everything is clearer and more stuff, previously buried, is fleshed out more, but the main riff sounds like someone turned his amp way down.

Major disappointment.


I was super happy when this album was announced for vinyl, and extremely disappointed when I realised they cut this part out. Can't understand this at all. Makes me super pissed.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: KevShmev on August 21, 2018, 12:19:57 PM
As soon as the cut happened, I gave the "I'm out" hands signal and zoned out for the rest of the tune.  Once they cut that part out, that remixed version was dead to me.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: SwedishGoose on September 13, 2018, 04:41:49 AM
ROINE STOLT’S THE FLOWER KING, ’Manifesto Of An Alchemist’

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156775457025439&id=289541335438

The album features a host of other musicians, including long-time collaborators Jones Reingold, Hans Froberg & Michael Stolt, as well as fellow The Sea Within member Marco Minnemann, Max Lorentz, Zach Kamins, Rob Townsend & Nad Sylvan.

‘Manifesto Of An Alchemist’ features stunning artwork from Shaun Beyond (https://www.instagram.com/shaunbeyond/), and will arrive as a limited edition CD digipak, Gatefold 180g 2LP + CD & as digital download. You can find the full track-listing below:
1. Rainsong
2. Lost America
3. Ze Pawns
4. High Road
5. Rio Grande
6. Next To A Hurricane
7. The Alchemist
8. Baby Angels
9. Six Thirty Wake-Up
10. The Spell Of Money

Arriving on the 23rd of November
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: DTA on September 13, 2018, 05:17:20 AM
If Anderson/Stolt and The Sea Within never existed I’d be super excited for this but I honestly have no confidence in Roine’s songwriting anymore. Even his album production is dull as hell now. Listen to how vibrant and alive everything sounded on Back In The World Of Adventures and then how bland The Sea Within album sounds in comparison. Maybe I’ll be proven wrong and pleasantly surprised but I doubt it.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: RoeDent on September 13, 2018, 10:48:23 AM
Your move, Tomas...
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: Nick on September 13, 2018, 11:08:31 AM
I really don't like this move. Roine has all these other projects, so why take on this drama with the name The Flower Kings when he obviously can't straight up use it with Tomas. It's been a long time (2005?) since an awesome solo album in Wall Street Voodoo, so why not finally release another of those?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: The Letter M on September 13, 2018, 02:27:33 PM
ROINE STOLT’S THE FLOWER KING, ’Manifesto Of An Alchemist’

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156775457025439&id=289541335438

The album features a host of other musicians, including long-time collaborators Jones Reingold, Hans Froberg & Michael Stolt, as well as fellow The Sea Within member Marco Minnemann, Max Lorentz, Zach Kamins, Rob Townsend & Nad Sylvan.

‘Manifesto Of An Alchemist’ features stunning artwork from Shaun Beyond (https://www.instagram.com/shaunbeyond/), and will arrive as a limited edition CD digipak, Gatefold 180g 2LP + CD & as digital download. You can find the full track-listing below:
1. Rainsong
2. Lost America
3. Ze Pawns
4. High Road
5. Rio Grande
6. Next To A Hurricane
7. The Alchemist
8. Baby Angels
9. Six Thirty Wake-Up
10. The Spell Of Money

Arriving on the 23rd of November

Well, this was out of left field. I thought after Muse's next album in November, that was it for new music for me this year, but I guess I was wrong! Like others have said above, I'm a bit reluctant to be TOO excited about this, given Roine's recent track record, and personally speaking, I haven't been too excited by his last two released with Anderson and TSW (which I haven't given much of a chance to be honest). I'll still get this and hope for the best, but it might be a wait-and-see with regards to reviews leading up to the release. I just pre-ordered Steven Wilson's upcoming live album and will be pre-ordering Morsefest 2017 next week, so I've covered a lot of my music spending for a long time...

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: KevShmev on September 13, 2018, 05:36:10 PM
I didn't see this coming.  It's not the same without Bodin, but enough of the other band members are there to call this the Flower Kings.  Oh well. 

And I am with those who are somewhat pessimistic about this.  Roine used to be an auto-buy for me, but after Anderson/Stolt and the Sea Within (both kind of bland), this will be a "listen before I buy" record.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: gzarruk on September 13, 2018, 08:57:32 PM
Could anyone please explain me what happened with all TFK drama? Just read about this album and it’s TFK but without being an “official” TFK album.  :huh:
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: KevShmev on September 13, 2018, 09:26:51 PM
Not much to it, based on what we know. Sounds like Roine Stolt and Tomas Bodin just don’t get along anymore.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: SwedishGoose on September 14, 2018, 12:15:57 AM
Note.... this is not the Flower Kings. It's Roine Stolt's Flower King, so harking back to that first album before The Flower Kings were formed.
It will be an auto but for me I like both Anderson / Stolt and The Sea Within and about a week after release I will see Roine Stolts Flower Kings revisited/ Spock's Beard live twice.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: gzarruk on September 14, 2018, 06:51:39 AM
Not much to it, based on what we know. Sounds like Roine Stolt and Tomas Bodin just don’t get along anymore.

So he’s out there doing anything he can, except an actual TFK album?
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: RoeDent on September 15, 2018, 09:31:50 AM
It's obvious that there are legal goings-on involved here. Otherwise it would have been a proper TFK album, and they would have just said that Bodin had left the band. It's completely screwed up TFK discography, like Kaipa da Capo did to Kaipa's discography. Also, the name seems pretty desperate. It doesn't flow well as a band name. This album has a serious identity crisis going on about it.

Although it should be expected, considering how TFK's closest comparitor in the old-prog brigade, Yes, what mess they are in in terms of lineups and band members.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: KevShmev on September 15, 2018, 10:18:46 AM
I am guessing that, even though the Flower Kings was Roine’s brain child, Bodin has rights to the name as well since he’s been on every album and never left the band, so I’m guessing Roine doesn’t want to deal with issues should he go forward with the band without Bodin.
Title: Re: The Flower Kings Official Thread (Career-spanning box sets now out)
Post by: The Letter M on September 15, 2018, 12:00:37 PM
It's obvious that there are legal goings-on involved here. Otherwise it would have been a proper TFK album, and they would have just said that Bodin had left the band. It's completely screwed up TFK discography, like Kaipa da Capo did to Kaipa's discography. Also, the name seems pretty desperate. It doesn't flow well as a band name. This album has a serious identity crisis going on about it.

Although it should be expected, considering how TFK's closest comparitor in the old-prog brigade, Yes, what mess they are in in terms of lineups and band members.

Most definitely, I think this is just Roine's way to continue TFK work without the other half(?) of the TFK sound, but calling the band "Roine Stolt's The Flower King" is semi-brilliant in the way that it harkens back to the 1994 solo album, The Flower King, which, while laying the groundwork for the TFK sound as it would become, was an album entirely written by Roine, and performed without Tomas Bodin.

Depending on the album's sound and feel, this could be an indirect sequel to the original 94 album, sort of in the way that Kaipa Da Capo is the sequel to the 70's Kaipa band/albums.

Also, your comparison to Yes is pretty apt, and it's been one I've made before myself (alongside the Genesis/Spock's Beard comparison). While not as publicly known, I'm sure there's been drama within the ranks of The Flower Kings, but probably not as insane as some of the stuff that's happened with Yes. I think one thing I'm aware of is that Tomas and Zoltan did not get along well, which is why he left the band after Adam & Eve, but only briefly came back for The Sum Of No Evil. Other than that, I've never really heard of or read anything more than that, but maybe someone else here can fill me in?

I am guessing that, even though the Flower Kings was Roine’s brain child, Bodin has rights to the name as well since he’s been on every album and never left the band, so I’m guessing Roine doesn’t want to deal with issues should he go forward with the band without Bodin.

This definitely makes the most sense. I don't think there's ever been an official TFK album without Stolt AND Bodin on it, so they both might have stakes in the name, legally speaking. Naming this new project "The Flower King" is a bit of a middle-finger to Bodin, but it's a smart way to go about not having to use the actual band name while still (possibly) connecting it to the original solo album.

I recently tried to read a post on the TFK message boards (Garden Of Dreams) about how Toma