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Title: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: Martinman300 on March 21, 2010, 02:03:09 AM
Is it just me, or would repentence be really boring live, I mean after the solo?

Therefore, they do a special show, where they play the whole thing, but during the section where people are speaking about their regrets, have as many of them as possible be at the show, come on stage and say it live. I think it would be better than JR triggering samples..
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: toro on March 21, 2010, 02:10:36 AM
I think it's boring UNTIL the solo, for that solo i bought Systematic Chaos, but if they play the 12 step suite live, it would be kind of a rest from to much metal
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 21, 2010, 04:21:04 AM
Anyone know what they did during that section the one and only time they played this live?
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: Martinman300 on March 21, 2010, 06:14:18 AM
yeah i was wondering that..

wait look https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VKCjDv7sbo
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: Darkes7 on March 21, 2010, 06:40:35 AM
Not even a bit boring, if it sounds boring then apparently you've never listened closely to the music behind the vocals.
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: Martinman300 on March 21, 2010, 07:05:06 AM
The bit that i find boring is after the spoken word section, where they repeat the same thing a lot. Bearing in mind that i am taking about a live situation, and this song is 10 minutes long.
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: bodiesinflight on March 21, 2010, 07:17:50 AM
The bit that i find boring is after the spoken word section, where they repeat the same thing a lot. Bearing in mind that i am taking about a live situation, and this song is 10 minutes long.

Now wait a minute man, that's not how it is, you must be confused
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: Martinman300 on March 21, 2010, 07:46:15 AM
Am i really the only the only person who thinks that repentance drags on a bit? I like the song i just think its too much of not very much.
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: Ultimetalhead on March 21, 2010, 08:29:59 AM
Am i really the only the only person who thinks that repentance drags on a bit? I like the song i just think its too much of not very much.
I agree completely. That section after the solo goes on FOREVER.
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: Darkes7 on March 21, 2010, 08:36:14 AM
Not even a bit boring, if it sounds boring then apparently you've never listened closely to the music behind the vocals.
Listen to it again.
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: Ultimetalhead on March 21, 2010, 08:45:07 AM
I listened to the music underneath quite intently. It's a simple chord progression that goes on way too long.
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: Tuneman on March 21, 2010, 09:56:48 AM
I think repentance live would just kill the vibe.
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 21, 2010, 12:29:21 PM
Am i really the only the only person who thinks that repentance drags on a bit? I like the song i just think its too much of not very much.
No.  I like it, but I think both the intro and the outro are too long.
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: Darkes7 on March 21, 2010, 03:18:21 PM
I listened to the music underneath quite intently. It's a simple chord progression that goes on way too long.
:| Either we're not talking about the same song, or you just very obviously confessed to not focusing on it at all.
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: ACID_FOX on March 21, 2010, 03:31:59 PM
I listened to the music underneath quite intently. It's a simple chord progression that goes on way too long.
:| Either we're not talking about the same song, or you just very obviously confessed to not focusing on it at all.

Or mabye you just both have different ideas about what qualifies as boring?
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: Darkes7 on March 21, 2010, 03:33:18 PM
No. Simply there's much more to this part than the "simple chord progression". I know that sections are only good if they have big and obvious riffs and solos, but sometimes it's the subtler things in music that are more important.
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on March 21, 2010, 03:38:25 PM
Nothing about the 12-step suite is subtle. :lol
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: MirzekDT on March 21, 2010, 03:41:23 PM
I listened to the music underneath quite intently. It's a simple chord progression that goes on way too long.
:| Either we're not talking about the same song, or you just very obviously confessed to not focusing on it at all.

I don't understand it eighter how can be so many people so blind and call that section boring or draging or too long or whatever ??? Maybe when you listen just to vocals but what about that awesome bass, strings and piano parts? And even that chord progression alone is enough awesome but okay if it would be just alone it would be repetitive but it isn't!
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: Martinman300 on March 21, 2010, 03:41:28 PM
No. Simply there's much more to this part than the "simple chord progression". I know that sections are only good if they have big and obvious riffs and solos, but sometimes it's the subtler things in music that are more important.

Yes we know, don't get patronizing. I appreciate the subtler parts of music as much as anyone, and i like the chord progression in question. I think it sounds very atmospheric and forboding. THE FIRST/SECOND TIME! They should have had the repeat where the guy with the low voice talks come in at about 8:14 ish, and then wrap up the song.
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 21, 2010, 03:51:20 PM
Nothing about the 12-step suite is subtle. :lol
Pretty much this.
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: Darkes7 on March 21, 2010, 03:57:00 PM
What about the piano and guitar in the background? Or do I get hallucinations when listening to it? That's also not subtle, boring and repetitive?
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: contest_sanity on March 21, 2010, 04:11:17 PM
Nothing about the 12-step suite is subtle. :lol
Pretty much this.
With the obvious exception of the last section of 'This Dying Soul.' 
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on March 21, 2010, 04:12:31 PM
Nothing about the 12-step suite is subtle. :lol
Pretty much this.
With the obvious exception of the last section of 'This Dying Soul.' 
Goes without saying.
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: ACID_FOX on March 21, 2010, 04:12:45 PM
Nothing about the 12-step suite is subtle. :lol
Pretty much this.
With the obvious exception of the last section of 'This Dying Soul.' 

Quite. I actually have to turn my speakers up just to hear it fully.
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: Darkes7 on March 21, 2010, 05:29:02 PM
I love how every thread regarding a post-Awake song/album except for a few objects of universal worship can turn into this.
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: Elsydeon on March 21, 2010, 05:32:27 PM
I saw repentence live in NYC when they played it, they cut it short (took out the long outro). I thought it was great and acts as a great "recovery song" from all the heavy metal that precedes it in the 12 steps.
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 21, 2010, 05:43:41 PM
I love how every thread regarding a post-Awake song/album except for a few objects of universal worship can turn into this.
???
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: contest_sanity on March 21, 2010, 06:36:23 PM
I love how every thread regarding a post-Awake song/album except for a few objects of universal worship can turn into this.
Just because I made a joke about TDS lacking subtlety doesn't mean I hate it.  I love TDS, actually, and I think the craziness at the end is great.  You know, a "just-for-the-hell-of-it" moment of total wankery.  I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but I don't think every thread that's about something post-Awake turns into "new" DT bashing.  
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: bosk1 on March 22, 2010, 04:36:09 PM
Darkes7, it has nothing to do with the song being post-Awake.  Most of the people saying they find it repetitive in this thread love a lot of the post-Awake material, myself included.  They are entitled to their opinions as you are entitled to yours.  Quit being obnoxious and condescending toward those who don't agree with you. 
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: Darkes7 on March 22, 2010, 04:40:51 PM
What I mean that it's entirely fine to derail a thread into how DT has become soulless/not subtle/cheesy/whatever as long as the album is recent enough. Either I'm paranoid, or I've seen that happen lots of times. It's not a matter of not agreeing.
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: bosk1 on March 22, 2010, 04:42:53 PM
No one said any such thing in this thread.
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: Perpetual Change on March 22, 2010, 04:46:10 PM
I love how every thread regarding a post-Awake song/album except for a few objects of universal worship can turn into this.

Actually, every thread can turn into this.
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: Darkes7 on March 22, 2010, 04:47:38 PM
No one said any such thing in this thread.

And this is what exactly?

Nothing about the 12-step suite is subtle. :lol
Pretty much this.
With the obvious exception of the last section of 'This Dying Soul.' 

This does not add anything, it is off-topic, and it is just another "DT have become soulless and cheesy".
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: bosk1 on March 22, 2010, 04:52:18 PM
???  I think you completely missed the point of that post.
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: Darkes7 on March 22, 2010, 04:55:16 PM
No idea. Never mind.
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on March 22, 2010, 04:55:31 PM
Darkes7, are you fucking high?

That exchange between hefdaddy42, contest_sanity and myself was a joke. Even if you think the 12 Step Suite has many subtle charms, you cannot deny the final section of "This Dying Soul" contains none of them.

LIGHTEN THE FUCK UP
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: contest_sanity on March 22, 2010, 04:57:38 PM
No one said any such thing in this thread.

And this is what exactly?

Nothing about the 12-step suite is subtle. :lol
Pretty much this.
With the obvious exception of the last section of 'This Dying Soul.' 

This does not add anything, it is off-topic, and it is just another "DT have become soulless and cheesy".
Jeez... single a guy out why don't ya?  I thought the comment added some humor, actually, to the discussion.  Also, the comment was concerning TDS, which is part of the 12-Step Suite, so it appears I was on-topic as well.  Lastly, it was just a joke, not my real feelings for that particular part/song (which I really love), though I don't think it's even necessarily fair to equate the phrase "lack of subtlety" with "soullessness" and "cheesiness" (which, for the record, are 2 things I DO NOT think Dream Theater have become). 
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: Darkes7 on March 22, 2010, 04:59:06 PM
edit: nvm
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 22, 2010, 05:00:45 PM
I really like This Dying Soul.
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: bosk1 on March 22, 2010, 05:36:24 PM
I really like hefdaddy42, TheOutlawXanadu, and seasoning.  But in much different ways, of course.
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on March 22, 2010, 05:38:24 PM
Fortunately, it only takes about 12 steps for me to go get another beer.
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on March 22, 2010, 05:56:32 PM
I really like hefdaddy42, TheOutlawXanadu, and seasoning.  But in much different ways, of course.
Seasoning is my kryptonite.
Title: Re: Thought on 12 step suite live.
Post by: ScioPath on March 22, 2010, 06:33:06 PM
Is it just me, or would repentence be really boring live, I mean after the solo?

Sometimes it works though to place quiet right after epicness like Goodnight Kiss.