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Title: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Moonglow - Feb 1st!!
Post by: wolfking on March 19, 2010, 05:26:20 AM
Any fans of Tobias' band.  Check out the new vid featuring Klaus from Scorpions.  At this point in time, I really am a diehard melodic/AOR fan, but this song is really not doing anything for me. 

Let's see what the rest of the album/s have in store!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quH_vUCdy2o
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: YtseBitsySpider on March 19, 2010, 05:32:25 AM
Is Jorn back on it?
That's really all that matters to me.
No Jorn=No Listen.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: Zydar on March 19, 2010, 06:11:33 AM
"Tobias Sammet describes the title track in his own words, "a ten minutes track featuring a vocal battle between Jorn Lande, Russell Allen and me"."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wicked_Symphony

Looking forward to it, I like Avantasia a lot.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: YtseBitsySpider on March 19, 2010, 07:09:39 AM
I just came.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: Progmetty on March 19, 2010, 09:59:01 AM
At first I thought you were talking about the singer with the " i'm outta love, set me free, put me out of my misery"  song but I was wrong.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: wolfking on March 19, 2010, 05:36:20 PM
"Tobias Sammet describes the title track in his own words, "a ten minutes track featuring a vocal battle between Jorn Lande, Russell Allen and me"."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wicked_Symphony

Looking forward to it, I like Avantasia a lot.

I must say Jorn was by far the standout on THe Scarecrow.  His presence on a few tracks brought the average of the album way up.

Funny how Tobias is having a Battle between Russell and Jorn when they have already done two whole albums together and a third is coming (Allen/Lande that is.  The mastermind of course behind these albums is Magnus Karlsson)

Nevertheless, hopefully the rest of the albums are better than this one song.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: Volk9 on March 19, 2010, 05:43:07 PM
I think the albums have gotten better as they went on, so hopefully this one continues the trend.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: wolfking on March 19, 2010, 05:49:55 PM
At first I thought you were talking about the singer with the " i'm outta love, set me free, put me out of my misery"  song but I was wrong.

LOL!!  Yes, you were wrong.

(https://www.antinomian.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/music_fail.jpg)
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: Arcaeus on March 19, 2010, 06:46:53 PM
Tobias is generic, and I'm not the biggest power metal fan, but any song with Jorn Lande is sure to be awesome. The Scarecrow's title track was epic.

And a song described as Jorn Lande vs. Russel Allen, the two best vocalists in power metal (alongside Roy Khan and Hansi, of course)? Count me in.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: wolfking on March 20, 2010, 06:22:17 AM
Tobias is generic, and I'm not the biggest power metal fan, but any song with Jorn Lande is sure to be awesome. The Scarecrow's title track was epic.

And a song described as Jorn Lande vs. Russel Allen, the two best vocalists in power metal (alongside Roy Khan and Hansi, of course)? Count me in.

You should check out the Allen/Lande albums.  The Battle and the Revenge.  It's more melodic pop rock, but class tunes all the way.

Oh, and the Scarecrow was by far the best track on that album, because of Jorn.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: wolfking on March 20, 2010, 06:23:01 AM
No Jorn=No Listen.

This is a GOOD policy!!
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: Birch Boy on March 20, 2010, 09:02:28 AM
I like it. I have an Avantasia album on my computer but haven't listened to it yet, but I like Edguy, so...
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: faemir on March 20, 2010, 09:55:36 AM
I like it. I have an Avantasia album on my computer but haven't listened to it yet, but I like Edguy, so...

I think Avantasia are superior :P
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 20, 2010, 10:06:27 AM
Avantasia pwns Edguy anywhere, anytime.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: faemir on March 20, 2010, 10:07:32 AM
Especially since Hellfire Club anyway...
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 20, 2010, 10:12:40 AM
I consider Vain Glory Opera as Edguy's best album, and it still seems kind of pale in front of "The Metal Opera 1 & 2" IMO.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: faemir on March 20, 2010, 10:16:13 AM
Theatre of Salvation and Mandrake are classic power metal for me, but Hellfire & Rocket Ride are a bit  :-\ And Tinnitus Sanctus is just pretty great.

Metal Opera + The Scarecrow however, is just win all round.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: Birch Boy on March 20, 2010, 10:21:20 AM
The only Edguy album I've heard/have is Tears of A Mandrake, and it's good, sometimes I grow bored of it, others I slightly rock out to it. Not bad though. Now I'm excited to listen to Avantasia if you guys say they're far superior.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 20, 2010, 10:30:44 AM
The only Edguy album I've heard/have is Tears of A Mandrake, and it's good, sometimes I grow bored of it, others I slightly rock out to it. Not bad though. Now I'm excited to listen to Avantasia if you guys say they're far superior.
Superior is a very subjective word. For a more objective point of view, I would say Avantasia is far more epic than Edguy.  :D
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: Birch Boy on March 20, 2010, 10:31:41 AM
The only Edguy album I've heard/have is Tears of A Mandrake, and it's good, sometimes I grow bored of it, others I slightly rock out to it. Not bad though. Now I'm excited to listen to Avantasia if you guys say they're far superior.
Superior is a very subjective word. For a more objective point of view, I would say Avantasia is far more epic than Edguy.  :D
Okay, we'll go with that  ;)
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 20, 2010, 10:52:06 AM
Their 3 albums are incredible. You can't go wrong with them, just have in mind that The Scarecrow is very different from the two Metal Operas.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: Arcaeus on March 20, 2010, 10:58:58 AM
Oh my, Tim Ripper Owens is singing on a song called "Scales of Justice".

This will be good :lol

And it's conceptually a sequel to The Scarecrow? Hm...

EDIT: Oh shit, track four of Angel of Babylon has JOHN FUCKIN' OLIVA! :metal :metal
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: Birch Boy on March 20, 2010, 11:10:56 AM
Their 3 albums are incredible. You can't go wrong with them, just have in mind that The Scarecrow is very different from the two Metal Operas.
The one I have is The Scarecrow
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: Arcaeus on March 20, 2010, 11:15:01 AM
JOHN FUCKING OLIVA

(https://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/252/74753.jpg)
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: faemir on March 20, 2010, 05:16:56 PM
JORN FUCKING LANDE

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Metalmania_2007_-_J%C3%B8rn_Lande_05.jpg)
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: wolfking on March 20, 2010, 06:26:45 PM
Also coming up on the new Avantasia records

RUSSELL FUCKING ALLEN

(https://www.rocktimes.de/gesamt/a/russell_allen/pics/russell_allen.jpg)


MICHAEL FUCKING KISKE

(https://home.online.no/~kasboe/bilder/michaelkiske_placev.jpg)


TIM FUCKING OWENS

(https://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/252/295751.jpg)


BOB FUCKING CATLEY

(https://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/85342262.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789215ABF3343C02EA54826F63D8BC2669C756123A0245AE65721611F777CF6024148)

ANDRE FUCKING MATOS

(https://www.metalkings.com/reviews/andre-matos/matos1.jpg)
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: wolfking on March 20, 2010, 06:31:02 PM
For all you Jorn fans, I've just checked Wikipedia and according to it Jorn gets a good look in on both these records;

Angel of Babylon

    * Jorn Lande (on track 1, 2, 5, 6, 9, 10, 11)
    * Michael Kiske (on track 1, 10)
    * Russell Allen (on track 1)
    * Bob Catley (on track 11)
    * Cloudy Yang (on track 8)
    * Jon Oliva (on track 4)


The Wicked of Symphony

    * Jorn Lande (on track 1, 6, 7, 8)
    * Michael Kiske (on track 2, 6)
    * Russell Allen (on track 1, 10)
    * Bob Catley (on track 6)
    * Klaus Meine (on track 4)
    * Tim "Ripper" Owens (on track 3)
    * André Matos (on track 5)
    * Ralf Zdiarstek (on track 9)

Jorn is definitely a music WIN!!!

Definitely looking forward to these more now.  The single was probably an obvious choice for a film clip and promo.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: wolfking on March 20, 2010, 06:41:33 PM
On another note.  I am very dissapointed that Henjo Richter doesn't seem to be included on this.  He WAS the guitars for Avantasia.  Listen to the solo's on the Metal Opera 1, they were all another part of the songs, unlike Sascha, who really doesn't impress me all that much.  Even the songs Jens from Edguy played on along with Henjo IMO were better than a lot of Sascha's

The first two albums had so much melody in the songs from the guitars.  He is what made it extra special.  His work is killer on Scarecrow also, not as many solos, but the songs Henjo were involved IMO were better than songs were it was just Sascha.  The solo in this new single Henjo would have made it extra classy, instead of Sascha's I can play really fast for no apparant reason.

Look at the scarecrow credits and you be the judge;

    * Sascha Paeth – guitars
    * Henjo Richter – additional lead guitars (Tracks 2, 3, 6, 7, 8)
    * Kai Hansen – additional lead guitars (Track 3)
    * Rudolf Schenker – additional lead guitars (Track 10)
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: faemir on March 23, 2010, 06:34:32 PM
:( I'm sure there was a good reason for him not being on it though.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: wolfking on March 24, 2010, 05:22:14 AM
:( I'm sure there was a good reason for him not being on it though.

Yeah, I'm thinking his full time commitment to Gamma Ray.

Tobias' seems to talk Sascha up though, maybe he wanted him as the main guitarist.  Henjo showed him up everytime anyway.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: Zook on March 29, 2010, 06:11:14 PM
Samples of all the songs:

https://www.7digital.com/artists/avantasia/the-wicked-symphony/

https://www.7digital.com/artists/avantasia/angel-of-babylon/

The Ripper track sounded good as did the first Russell Allen song, but a lot of these songs sound pretty boring. Although the first two Avantasia CDs were cheesy as fuck, I think Tobias is better suited for Power Metal.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: wolfking on March 30, 2010, 04:23:21 AM
Samples of all the songs:

https://www.7digital.com/artists/avantasia/the-wicked-symphony/

https://www.7digital.com/artists/avantasia/angel-of-babylon/

The Ripper track sounded good as did the first Russell Allen song, but a lot of these songs sound pretty boring. Although the first two Avantasia CDs were cheesy as fuck, I think Tobias is better suited for Power Metal.

Wicked Symphony - Sounded very promising
Wasteland - Sounded exactly like Return to the Tribe from Rocket Ride
Scales of Justice - Ripper sounds like a breath of fresh air on this, should have been on more tracks.
Dying for an Angel - IMO, crap
Blizzard on a Broken Mirror - Looking forward to hearing this full song, sounds quite excellent
Runaway Train - Sounds very average to be honest
Crestfallen - Could be a grower
Forever is a Long Time - Generic
Black Wings - Nice atmosphere
States of Matter - Typical Tobias, sounds like the Savage Union from the King of Fools EP.
The Edge - Save Me part 2.


Stargazers - Very Helloween, think March of Time
Angel of Babylon - Very Edguy, not bad
Your Love is Evil - Sounds quite average
Death is Just a Feeling - Wow!!!!! Another breath of fresh air with Mr. Oliva
Rat Race - Generic, nice pace
Down in the Dark - Boring
Blowing Out the Flame - zzzzzzzz
Symphony of Life - Hmmm....will wait for the full track
Alone I Remember - Very Whitesnake/Deep Purple.  Good chorus
Promised Land - Heard it on Lost in Space.  Brilliant tracks, sounds like it could be one of the best here.
Journey to Arcadia - Nothing special


I have mixed feelings from these samples.  There seems to be moments of brilliance. but also generic and boring moments.  First day buyer of course, but we will see.  I think the Ripper and Oliva tracks could be the highlights.  Bob Catley should have been used more also.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: faemir on March 30, 2010, 03:41:06 PM
The albums sound pretty promising so far, but i'm on an Opeth binge for the gig so won't listen to much of Avantasia for a while yet...
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: wolfking on May 01, 2010, 07:03:38 AM
I have recently picked up the deluxe box set of the new Avantasia double album.  After listening through it a few times, it's pretty damn good.  There are a lot of good songs.  A couple of duds, but for 2 cd's there's surprising a lot of good material.  Definetely not up to Metal Opera standards, but obviously Tobias is done with straight power melodic metal.  Facts about the new albums;

*Henjo Richters guitar playing hurts both albums
*Bruce Kulick does a good job with his solos
*Sascha is okay but doesn't give solos the magic Henjo did.  His work is still very listenable
*A nice balance of styles throughout both albums, quite a lot of variety, lots to enjoy.
*Shitloads of JORN!!!!!  (This is a good thing)
*Russel Allen is probably the best performer, his singing is godlike, he's on a few tracks, but should have
  been on much more
*Kiske is surprisingly not that essential, his couple of songs are good, but Jorn or Allen do the job better
*Tim Owens and Jon Oliva have two of the best tracks, should have been used throughout
*Bob Catley only on two very average songs (this is bad)
*Andre Matos sings like 1 chorus on a song dissapointing
*If Tobias made one cd of the best tracks, it would have been EPIC

Best tracks;

Wicked Symphony
Wastelands
Scales of Justice
Blizzard on a Broken Mirror
States of Matter (my fav, Russel's chorus is amazing!)
Stargazers
Angel of Babylon
Death is Just a Feeling
Rat Race
Promised Land

That would be one amazing cd.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: Dr. DTVT on May 05, 2010, 09:20:19 PM
I've given The Wicked Symphony about 8 spins the past two days, and it my early impression is that it starts off strong and just slowly leaves my consciousness because very little past the third track is grabbing my attention.

I should have Angel of Babylon next week.  Hopefully its significantly better.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: wolfking on May 06, 2010, 04:49:11 AM
I've given The Wicked Symphony about 8 spins the past two days, and it my early impression is that it starts off strong and just slowly leaves my consciousness because very little past the third track is grabbing my attention.

I should have Angel of Babylon next week.  Hopefully its significantly better.

If you aren't too keen on Symphony, I doubt that Babylon will be any better, but still pick it up and give it numerous spins.  I have made a full cd of the best songs of both albums, a killer disc all the way through.  The reason you are losing it after the third track is because of that horrible Dying for An Angel.  The songs on my disc are as follows;

The Wicked Symphony
Wastelands
Scales of Justice
Blizzard on a Broken Mirror
Crestfallen
Forever is a Long Time
States of Matter
Stargazers
Angel of Babylon
Your Love is Evil
Death is Just a Feeling
Rat Race
Alone I Remember
Promised Land
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: Dr. DTVT on May 06, 2010, 06:03:01 AM
It's already ordered, so it will get its chance.  I think it goes beyond one bad song, becuase I have other CDs where one weak track doesn't kill the rest of the album.  I agree with your previous post though, more Ripper Owens would have been a good thing; and Russell Allen is on top of his game...those two points might explain why I lose a lot of interest after "Scales of Justice".
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: wolfking on May 07, 2010, 06:27:59 AM
It's already ordered, so it will get its chance.  I think it goes beyond one bad song, becuase I have other CDs where one weak track doesn't kill the rest of the album.  I agree with your previous post though, more Ripper Owens would have been a good thing; and Russell Allen is on top of his game...those two points might explain why I lose a lot of interest after "Scales of Justice".

Russell is the winner for me, States of Matter is the best song from the two albums.  The Jon Oliva track is also a top 3 track.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 07, 2010, 08:18:52 AM
I'm going to buy this tomorrow. I'm really looking forward to be amazed  :metal
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: Nick on May 07, 2010, 02:45:35 PM
I really enjoyed both of the new albums. I'd say it's quite a bit better than any Edguy I've heard, and after hearing these two albums I bought The Scarecrow which I also enjoyed quite a bit.

Favorite tracks: The Wicked Symphony, Scales of Justice, Blizzard on a Broken Mirror, Death is Just a Feeling, Rat Race, Symphony of Life.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: Volk9 on May 08, 2010, 11:55:41 PM
Would you all say this is better, worse, or equal to the Scarecrow?
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: Nick on May 09, 2010, 12:33:57 PM
Personally, I'd say it's better, slightly.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: Dr. DTVT on May 09, 2010, 01:39:14 PM
Would you all say this is better, worse, or equal to the Scarecrow?

I think Scarecrow is better overall than The Wicked Symphony, but TWS's two best tracks are better than the best on Scarecrow.  I'm waiting for my copy of Angel of Babylon to arrive.

And to second what Nick said and go a step further, Avantasia's worst album is better than Edguy's best IMO.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: wolfking on May 10, 2010, 04:28:16 AM
Edguy were classic power metal up until Hellfire Club, after that Tobias just seemed to lose it.  I'm amazed at how good TWS/AOB is considering how utter crap Tinnitus Sanctus is.  I almost puked when I heard that.

I don't know if any of these two are better than the Scarecrow.  They could be, but IMO Scarecrow was pretty solid.  On their own I don't think either could take on the Scarecrow by itself.  Mix the songs together and you have a compilation better than the Scarecrow, on their own, nah.

Also, either of the new albums really have an epic like the Scarecrow.  You have TWS and Stargazers but neither really come close to the Scarecrow.  Give them time we will see. 

Also, you really can't go past the metal opera.  No other Avantasia album will come close to these, these are power metal perfection.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: SoundChaser on May 10, 2010, 11:39:49 AM
I'm new to these forums and couldn't be more ecstatic with all of the fellow Jorn fans here.  I am pretty damned obsessed with the new Avantasia albums.  Right now Runaway Train is the one I've got going on repeat, its like the new Seven Angels.  Top songs for me are definitely that, The Wicked Symphony, Alone I Remember, and Journey to Arcadia. 

Also, new Masterplan should be out soon as well as the 3rd Allen/Lande.  This is a fucking awesome year for Jorn.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: Nick on May 10, 2010, 11:41:09 AM
Isn't that every year, since he's a project whore? :p
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: SoundChaser on May 10, 2010, 11:51:26 AM
True, but his solo stuff generally tends to be pretty lame in comparison.  Master plan, Avantasia, and Allen/Lande are all fuckin awesome.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: YtseBitsySpider on May 10, 2010, 12:09:46 PM
Jorn back with Masterplan????

OOooooooo goody!!!!
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: wolfking on May 11, 2010, 05:19:08 AM
Jorn back with Masterplan????

OOooooooo goody!!!!

You read right my friend!!

Jorn definitely is a project whore.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: Dr. DTVT on May 15, 2010, 08:53:54 AM
I got my copy of Angel of Babylon yesterday.  I have a question for those of you who own it - does your copy have "hiccups" at the beginning of tracks 2 and 10?
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: wolfking on May 15, 2010, 06:30:20 PM
I got my copy of Angel of Babylon yesterday.  I have a question for those of you who own it - does your copy have "hiccups" at the beginning of tracks 2 and 10?

Hiccups?  Mine sounds okay, but what do you mean exactly?
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: Dr. DTVT on May 15, 2010, 07:56:14 PM
OK...its not a hiccup, the first two seconds of tracks 2 and 10 are the same as the last 2 seconds of tracks 1 and 9; so it sounds like it skips.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: wolfking on May 16, 2010, 04:33:39 AM
OK...its not a hiccup, the first two seconds of tracks 2 and 10 are the same as the last 2 seconds of tracks 1 and 9; so it sounds like it skips.

I'll check later.  I just ripped the cd straight to my computer, I've never psychically played the cd.  I'll get it out later and let you know.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: Dr. DTVT on May 16, 2010, 07:56:33 AM

I'll check later.  I just ripped the cd straight to my computer, I've never psychically played the cd.  I'll get it out later and let you know.

I've only heard a rip as well, not directly from the CD.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: Arcaeus on May 16, 2010, 09:11:17 PM
I just listened to The Wicked Symphony's title track. My love for power metal has been restored, if only temporarily.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: Nick on May 16, 2010, 09:13:19 PM
Heh, that track can do it.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: SoundChaser on May 17, 2010, 11:21:52 AM
Runaway Train does it for me.  The vocals on that song are out of control.  That and The Seven Angels (MO pt. II) are like the best metal vocal songs ever.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: Zydar on May 17, 2010, 11:55:03 AM
Scales Of Justice is the best them :metal
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: Dr. DTVT on May 17, 2010, 01:21:43 PM
Scales Of Justice is the best them :metal

Which is proof there should have been more Ripper tracks.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: Nick on May 17, 2010, 02:08:09 PM
As much as I like that track, one Ripper track is the right amount for me.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: SoundChaser on May 17, 2010, 02:25:01 PM
I would have liked more Andre Matos, Russell Allen, and Klaus Meine.  It also sucks that the only song with a female vocalist is probably one of the worst songs Avantasia has ever released.  He could have definitely done a better job incorporating the female sound into a few more songs.  "What Kind of Love" from the Scarecrow is one of the most powerful songs they have, and the interplay between male and female voices is a big part of that.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: wolfking on May 18, 2010, 05:13:30 AM
Scales Of Justice is the best them :metal

Which is proof there should have been more Ripper tracks.

Totally agree.

By the way, my copy sounds fine, you must have got a defective one. :(
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: wolfking on May 18, 2010, 05:15:07 AM
I would have liked more Andre Matos, Russell Allen, and Klaus Meine.  It also sucks that the only song with a female vocalist is probably one of the worst songs Avantasia has ever released.  He could have definitely done a better job incorporating the female sound into a few more songs.  "What Kind of Love" from the Scarecrow is one of the most powerful songs they have, and the interplay between male and female voices is a big part of that.

I agree.  Allen should have been all over it as much as Jorn is.  Matos' involvement is really a waste and Klaus would have bee interesting on of of the more epic tracks instead of that Angel tripe of a song!
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: SoundChaser on May 18, 2010, 09:16:45 AM
Also, as much as I am a fan of the shorter hits, Sammet's best work is ALWAYS his epics.  Just take a look at the songs from The Metal Opera, The Scarecrow, and TWS/AoB. (The Tower, Seven Angels, The Scarecrow, The Wicked Symphony, Runaway Train, etc)  Every one of the longer more developed songs is nothing short of brilliant.  Even with Edguy the songs that tend to be longer and more progressive are usually the best of their respective album.  The short ones definitely are great too, but they can be hit or miss for sure.  I know Sammet has got this fetish for classic-rock styled metal metal (hence the massive jorn influences), but he really is selling himself short by not going all out with more of the epic.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: wolfking on May 19, 2010, 05:30:00 AM
Also, as much as I am a fan of the shorter hits, Sammet's best work is ALWAYS his epics.  Just take a look at the songs from The Metal Opera, The Scarecrow, and TWS/AoB. (The Tower, Seven Angels, The Scarecrow, The Wicked Symphony, Runaway Train, etc)  Every one of the longer more developed songs is nothing short of brilliant.  Even with Edguy the songs that tend to be longer and more progressive are usually the best of their respective album.  The short ones definitely are great too, but they can be hit or miss for sure.  I know Sammet has got this fetish for classic-rock styled metal metal (hence the massive jorn influences), but he really is selling himself short by not going all out with more of the epic.

Agree.

Although I must say, I really can't get into Runaway Train.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: SoundChaser on May 19, 2010, 07:53:31 AM
Listen over and over again and really pay close attention to all the different vocal parts and the interplay between them.  Runaway Train is the type of song that if you aren't paying attention it'll pass you right by without you even realizing, but if you put the time into it you are in for a big treat.
Title: Re: New Avantasia
Post by: Arcaeus on May 20, 2010, 03:18:52 AM
WHERE DO WE GO WHEN THE WORLD GETS IN THE WAY?
Title: Re: Avantasia
Post by: Scard on July 31, 2011, 12:27:10 AM
As far as power metal goes, my favourites are Avantasia and Edguy. The Wicked Symphony is great!
Title: Re: Avantasia
Post by: Lowdz on July 31, 2011, 04:17:05 AM
I'm a huge Tobias fan and have loved everything he's done since Vain Glory- with the awful exception that is Tinnitus Sanctis. Definately spread himself too thin there- a couple of decent songs but pretty much all filler. He used better song on his B  sides.
Absolutely love Rocket Ride, though it took some time to get into.

Loved the first Avantasia, the second less so, buut found the Scarecrow to be awesome. AoB and WS have taken a while to do anything for me, buut I had WS on in the car on the way back from the DT gig in Leeds last week and I thought it was excellent. Will revisit these two again.

And I have to say that unlike most I'm loving Dying for an Angel- with the exception of the transition from the first chorus to the 2nd verse, sound off to me.
Title: Re: Avantasia
Post by: wolfking on July 31, 2011, 05:44:26 AM
Hey lowdz, I feel the same, I like all of his work (even Kingdom of Madness) except TS, what a disappointing album.  I might add the new album being released at the end of August.

Edguy - Age of the Joker - August 29th

Age of the Joker is the ninth studio album by German power metal band Edguy. It is due to be released on August 26, 2011 through Nuclear Blast.

A double disc digipak edition will be issued, featuring b-sides, single versions of two album songs as well as a Slade cover. A video was shot for "Robin Hood", featuring German comedian Bernhard Hoecker in a satirical take on The Adventures of Robin Hood.

1.    Robin Hood                            
2.    Nobody's Hero                           
3.    Rock of Cashel                      
4.    Pandora's Box                               
5.    Breathe                             
6.    Two Out of Seven                     
7.    Faces in the Darkness              
8.    The Arcane Guild                     
9.    Fire on the Downline               
10.    Behind the Gates to Midnight World
11.    Every Night Without You               

Bonus Disc

1.    God Fallen Silent     
2.    Aleister Crowley Memorial Boogie
3.    Cum on Feel the Noize    
4.    Standing in the Rain     
5.    Robin Hood (Single Version)      
6.    Two Out of Seven (Single Version)


(https://www.nuclearblast.de/en/data/bands/edguy/releases/edguy-age-of-the-joker.jpg?x=330&y=330)
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: Lowdz on July 31, 2011, 07:47:09 AM
Yeah, got that on preorder with Play.com. Hoping for a return to form.

The Avantasia Flying Opera DVD is pretty special- have you got that?

Thought Sascha Paeth played well on that, though I do like widdly widdly guitar. I've always loved his production work.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: Kosmo on July 31, 2011, 09:42:41 AM
Yes!! More Edguy! :caffeine: This better be the return to the classic Edguy sound.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 31, 2011, 10:39:39 AM
Amazing :caffeine:

I've been in a Scarecrow frenzy lately. I have a big man crush with Tobias Sammet.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: wolfking on July 31, 2011, 02:31:30 PM
Yeah, got that on preorder with Play.com. Hoping for a return to form.

The Avantasia Flying Opera DVD is pretty special- have you got that?

Thought Sascha Paeth played well on that, though I do like widdly widdly guitar. I've always loved his production work.

Yeah, really amazing DVD.  I like Sascha, but I've never been blown away by him, he did play very well though.  His production skills are much better than his guitar. Oliver played really well too, a great addition to the band.  I wished Henjo stayed as the main guitarist of Avantasia, his playing just slays Sascha's, not even a competition.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: Lowdz on July 31, 2011, 04:42:08 PM
Yeah, got that on preorder with Play.com. Hoping for a return to form.

The Avantasia Flying Opera DVD is pretty special- have you got that?

Thought Sascha Paeth played well on that, though I do like widdly widdly guitar. I've always loved his production work.

Yeah, really amazing DVD.  I like Sascha, but I've never been blown away by him, he did play very well though.  His production skills are much better than his guitar. Oliver played really well too, a great addition to the band.  I wished Henjo stayed as the main guitarist of Avantasia, his playing just slays Sascha's, not even a competition.

Yeah, I was surprised by Hartmann. I only knew him from his singing before the dvd. He did well.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: wolfking on August 08, 2011, 05:20:33 AM
New video;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7NhgSnc6XI&feature=feedu

Hmm....not too bad.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: Nick on August 08, 2011, 07:32:48 AM
I finally got the Avantasia DVD and watched it last night, pretty fucking awesome.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: Kosmo on August 08, 2011, 09:26:21 AM
New video;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7NhgSnc6XI&feature=feedu

Hmm....not too bad.
Meh.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: wolfking on August 08, 2011, 04:11:29 PM
New video;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7NhgSnc6XI&feature=feedu

Hmm....not too bad.
Meh.

I think it's worth saying that the album version of that song is 8 minutes long.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: stryker on August 08, 2011, 06:49:02 PM
I have a big man crush with Tobias Sammet.

Pretty much this!  I can't wait to hear this new album!  :metal
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: Kosmo on August 09, 2011, 04:39:56 AM
New video;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7NhgSnc6XI&feature=feedu

Hmm....not too bad.
Meh.

I think it's worth saying that the album version of that song is 8 minutes long.
It's on Youtube. Listening to it now.

edit: Better, better. Or then it's just the song growing on me, either way album singles aren't the cream of the crop most of the time so I' m still excited.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: wolfking on August 09, 2011, 06:00:33 AM
I'm watching the clip again, I haven't checked out the extended version yet.  i'm really digging this song.  Sounds more like earlier Edguy to me.  It also reminds me of Serpents in Paradise for some reason, which is a good thing.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: Kosmo on August 09, 2011, 06:02:39 AM
Everyone's complaining about the music video being silly, which it is but those kind of videos seem to fit Edguy better.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: wolfking on August 09, 2011, 06:07:46 AM
It's really nothing that we shouldn't expect from Edguy.  I have no problem with it, Edguy have always had a big sense of humor.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: Lowdz on August 10, 2011, 02:51:11 PM
I'm not loving the song I have to say. I'll give it a few more plays of course.
Don't have a problem with the video, they've done that sort of humourous video before but the songs were better.
I've been listening to WS and AoB more recently and Toby seems to be keeping his best songs for Avantasia.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: wolfking on August 10, 2011, 02:53:27 PM
I've been listening to WS and AoB more recently and Toby seems to be keeping his best songs for Avantasia.

Yeah, Tinnitus proved that,  Sych an ordinary album, yet the Scarecrow trilogy of albums were excellent.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: TAC on August 10, 2011, 03:00:12 PM
The last Edguy I could stand was The Hellfire Club. So disappointing and plain.

I listened to, but did not watch Robin Hood. The song actually isn't bad at all. I might have to give them another chance. There's no denying Tobias is extremely talented. But when he sings, I cannot help but think Michael Kiske "lite".

I like how at 3:30 he turns into Biff Byford! Very cool!

I have a confession: I have never tried or checked out Avantasia, even though Alice Cooper and Michael Kiske played on one of them....
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: wolfking on August 10, 2011, 03:03:52 PM
Avantasia are fantastic mate, you would really like them, check out any of their 5 albums.

Hellfire was Edguy's last really great record.  I enjoyed Rocket Ride quite a bit, but you could see the standard starting to drop.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: Lowdz on August 10, 2011, 03:51:10 PM
I'm a big fan of Rocket Ride but it wasn't instant. And agree about HC. Great album.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: Lowdz on September 07, 2011, 09:21:31 AM
Age Of The Joker arrived today. First impressions are that it's a good one- certainly better than TS. Robin Hood is growing on me and there are better songs than that on here. Production sounds very good too. Not listened to the bonus disc yet but the signed jester card was a nice touch.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: wolfking on September 07, 2011, 03:34:13 PM
I got the album a week ago.  I got the 2CD but never got a signed card.  Oh well.  I actually don't know what to think about this album.  It has some good songs but overall I don't think the songs are that strong.  I've listened to it about three times and nothing really excited me.  I love the diversity of the tracks, Jens guitar playing has really improved and Tobi seems comfortable.  It needed more faster tracks.  It's actually on a par with TS at the moment.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: Lowdz on September 07, 2011, 03:42:07 PM
I got the album a week ago.  I got the 2CD but never got a signed card.  Oh well.  I actually don't know what to think about this album.  It has some good songs but overall I don't think the songs are that strong.  I've listened to it about three times and nothing really excited me.  I love the diversity of the tracks, Jens guitar playing has really improved and Tobi seems comfortable.  It needed more faster tracks.  It's actually on a par with TS at the moment.

The signed card was a Play.com special edition I believe.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: Kosmo on September 09, 2011, 09:42:19 AM
Haven't listened to it yet. Hopes aren't that high at the moment either.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: TAC on September 14, 2011, 03:01:45 PM
Halfway through Age Of The Joker and it's easily their best album since Mandrake, IMO!
Tobias seems to have gotten a bit raspier, which is a good thing. A cross between Biff Byford and Michael Kiske.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: wolfking on September 14, 2011, 03:56:59 PM
Halfway through Age Of The Joker and it's easily their best album since Mandrake, IMO!
Tobias seems to have gotten a bit raspier, which is a good thing. A cross between Biff Byford and Michael Kiske.

Better than Hellfire Club!??  Wow, big call.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: TAC on September 14, 2011, 05:08:38 PM
Well, considering that I've listened to each once...yes. Seriously, I bought Hellfire Club and I don't even think it got a second listen.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: TAC on September 15, 2011, 06:55:30 AM
Wolf, giving Hellfire Club a spin today.....
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: wolfking on September 15, 2011, 03:11:04 PM
Wolf, giving Hellfire Club a spin today.....

Nice work mate.  It's probably my second fav Edguy album after Mandrake.

Joker is good, but it's nothing mindblowing, and I'm not really spinning it much unfortunately.  It seems Tobi is saving all his really good stuff for Avantasia these days.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: TAC on September 15, 2011, 05:00:45 PM
I played Hellfire Club at work today. Not too loud obviously, but I'll try and compare the discs a little more closely. I have basically written Edguy off. I like a band with a sense of humor, but it really started to unbalance the talent in this band.

What's the best Avantasia to get? I'm leaning towards Scarecrow. I WILL check them out soon. My birthday is next week, so I will score one Avantasia CD, I promise!
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: wolfking on September 15, 2011, 06:29:41 PM
I played Hellfire Club at work today. Not too loud obviously, but I'll try and compare the discs a little more closely. I have basically written Edguy off. I like a band with a sense of humor, but it really started to unbalance the talent in this band.

What's the best Avantasia to get? I'm leaning towards Scarecrow. I WILL check them out soon. My birthday is next week, so I will score one Avantasia CD, I promise!

Yeah, I'm getting to a stage where I'm writing them off too, which is sad, because they were one of my fav bands about 6-7 years ago.

Avantasia are far superior to Edguy at the moment.  Scarecrow is probably your best pick as a first album.  After that get Metal Opera Part 1, then Part 2, then Wicked Symphony and Angel of Babylon.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: Nick on September 15, 2011, 10:13:39 PM
Wolf, giving Hellfire Club a spin today.....
It seems Tobi is saving all his really good stuff for Avantasia these days.

Good, that way I can continue to obsess over Avantasia while ignoring Edguy as I have been!
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: TAC on May 09, 2012, 05:21:22 AM
Well, I got my first Avantasia album a couple of weeks ago. Wicked Symphony.
It's really not bad at all. Obviously I love the Kiske sung Wastelands, but to me, the best track on the album is Scales Of Justic. Ripper just..well..RIPS! :metal

Also, quite surprised to see Bruce Kulick and Eric Singer involved. Didin't realize that they were part of the European Power Metal "family".
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: wolfking on May 09, 2012, 05:48:22 AM
Eric Singer has been involved since Metal Opera Part 2 and has been doing most of the drumming since.  Bruce Kulick has been involved since the last 2 album..  Tobias actually features on Bruce's solo record too.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: TAC on May 09, 2012, 06:01:51 AM
That's interesting. Would've never figured that.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: jingle.boy on May 09, 2012, 08:56:05 AM
Huge Avantasia fan.  Haven't had a chance to check out Edguy yet though.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: Kosmo on May 09, 2012, 09:25:54 AM
Been a fan of Edguy for a few years now and just began my first Avantasia spin, chose to start with The Scarecrow pretty much because it always gets nothing but praise. I don't know why I've never listened to this before, I guess the idea of multiple vocalists used to put me off but it's actually really cool now that I'm listening to it.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: Dr. DTVT on May 09, 2012, 10:16:51 AM
Much like Nick, I love Avantasia, but I'm completely indifferent to Edguy.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 09, 2012, 11:25:00 AM
Well, I got my first Avantasia album a couple of weeks ago. Wicked Symphony.
It's really not bad at all. Obviously I love the Kiske sung Wastelands, but to me, the best track on the album is Scales Of Justic. Ripper just..well..RIPS! :metal

Also, quite surprised to see Bruce Kulick and Eric Singer involved. Didin't realize that they were part of the European Power Metal "family".

This, I need to listen to wicked symphony again, been too long.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: Nick on June 11, 2012, 03:36:19 PM
Bump for scorpion.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: Scorpion on June 11, 2012, 03:40:14 PM
Thanks Nick - sorry for that fail.  :lol

Anyway, to repeat what I had said: I just watched their farewell concert from Wacken again. Great show and I'm kinda sad that they stopped being active, especially because I would have loved to see them live once.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: Nick on June 11, 2012, 05:12:18 PM
Much like Ayreon, that's a dream only a Euro can hold. Once you add in all the extra singers it would be pretty much impossible to tour America. But I do hope Avantasia tours again, and that Ayreon does do a few live shows at some point.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: wolfking on June 11, 2012, 11:34:51 PM
I don't see why Tobi wouldn't bring Avantasia to the stage again, especially after the good comments and success over the last two.  Plus, comparing those to the latest Edguy is like comparing shit and chocolate, that was very ordinary.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: Scorpion on June 12, 2012, 01:38:37 AM
Much like Ayreon, that's a dream only a Euro can hold. Once you add in all the extra singers it would be pretty much impossible to tour America. But I do hope Avantasia tours again, and that Ayreon does do a few live shows at some point.
Yeah, well I wouldn't mind, personally, because I am from Germany and I think that it would be given that they would play in Germany. But I can see how it wouldn't be financially feasible to tour outside of Europe.
I don't see why Tobi wouldn't bring Avantasia to the stage again, especially after the good comments and success over the last two.  Plus, comparing those to the latest Edguy is like comparing shit and chocolate, that was very ordinary.
Hell yes, I hope so. They haven't done an album that I dislike (Avantasia that is), so no complaints from me here.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: gazinwales on June 12, 2012, 04:13:11 AM
I've had the feeling for a while now that Tobi saves his best material for Avantasia and Edguy get the leftovers.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: wolfking on June 12, 2012, 04:15:48 AM
I've had the feeling for a while now that Tobi saves his best material for Avantasia and Edguy get the leftovers.

It's been starting since Rocket Ride (even though that's a good album) and has been gettin worse ever since.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: Lowdz on June 12, 2012, 05:19:08 AM
I've had the feeling for a while now that Tobi saves his best material for Avantasia and Edguy get the leftovers.

It's been starting since Rocket Ride (even though that's a good album) and has been gettin worse ever since.

Yeah, this, unfortunately. He brings the best out of Jorn on the Avantasia albums though.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: Scorpion on June 12, 2012, 05:54:36 AM
I've had the feeling for a while now that Tobi saves his best material for Avantasia and Edguy get the leftovers.

It's been starting since Rocket Ride (even though that's a good album) and has been gettin worse ever since.

Yeah, this, unfortunately. He brings the best out of Jorn on the Avantasia albums though.

Yeah. I really like Jorn on Avantasia, though I don't like him on Masterplan at all.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: wolfandwolfandwolf on June 12, 2012, 06:17:09 AM
I have Hellfire Club in my possession from when I bought it based upon a recommendation about seven years ago.  I was 14-15.  I really liked it then.

I really don't like it now.  I just listened to like three minutes of Mysteria and I was sad that I ever liked it as much as I did.  Power metal use to be my jam.  Now I can't stand any of it.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: BanksD on June 13, 2012, 08:08:58 PM
Mysteria is quite simply one of the greatest metal songs ever written in my opinion. So I definitely gotta disagree with you there man. :metal :metal

Love Edguy (Mandrake and Hellfire Club mostly) but still need to check out Avantasia (I do like a few songs off of The Wicked Symphony though)
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: Scorpion on June 14, 2012, 09:56:12 AM
Do it. Start with The Scarecrow, one of the best power metal albums of all time.

You can thank me later.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: Lowdz on June 14, 2012, 01:35:57 PM
Do it. Start with The Scarecrow, one of the best power metal albums of all time.

You can thank me later.

I'll second that. The first album is a corker too.

Listened to Joker again today and enjoyed it whilst it was playing. As soon as it was over I couldn't remember a single chorus or part. On the good side, Rocket Ride was like that for me and I love it now.
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: kirksnosehair on June 14, 2012, 01:45:32 PM
Much like Nick, I love Avantasia, but I'm completely indifferent to Edguy.

Never really could get into Edguy the same way I've gotten into Avantasia
Title: Re: Edguy and Avantasia Discussion thread
Post by: Scorpion on June 14, 2012, 02:02:31 PM
Much like Nick, I love Avantasia, but I'm completely indifferent to Edguy.

Never really could get into Edguy the same way I've gotten into Avantasia
Same here. Edguy is just generic power metal to me.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: Nick on June 14, 2012, 02:04:47 PM
*Trendsetter*

Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: Scorpion on June 14, 2012, 02:10:54 PM
You're such a hipster, liking Avantasia but not liking Edguy before it was cool. (U c what I did thar?)
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: jingle.boy on June 14, 2012, 02:46:59 PM
The Flying Opera just arrived in the mail today.  I've seen the YT version, but it was awfully static-y.  Can't wait for everyone to leave tomorrow so I can crank the surround sound and watch for a bit.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: jingle.boy on August 06, 2012, 07:29:45 PM
From Tobias' website.

Quote
NEW AVANTASIA EPIC IN THE MAKING!
What many have recently been speculating about we're now happy to confirm. Tobias is indeed working on a new AVANTASIA epic that is planned to be released in spring 2013. Concept wise the album will be a classic Rock-Opera / Metal Opera. It's going to be a timeless fairytale, that despite its fantasy appeal, was inspired by happenings of our modern age and society. You‘ll find plenty of further details here at tobiassammet.com in the near future.

Originally Tobias wanted to lay AVANTASIA to rest after the release of its live DVD "Flying Opera" in April 2011, which topped the charts in Germany, Austria and Sweden and went Top 10 all over Europe, respectively after its headliner appearance at Wacken Open Air 2011 in front of more than 100,000 fans. About the surprising return of AVANTASIA Tobias says:

"Even though I love to record and tour with Edguy, I didn‘t foresee how much I need AVANTASIA when I decided to finish this chapter of my life in 2011. I didn't know if there would be another AVANTASIA album one day, but I didn‘t feel like doing it. After the worldwide success of the latest studio releases, an arena world tour that was sold out pretty much everywhere, collaborations with childhood heroes like Alice Cooper, Klaus Meine, Rudolf Schenker, Eric Singer of Kiss etc. I 'knew' that I had said everything I could possibly say in the name of AVANTASIA. But that's not what AVANTASIA is all about. I wanna create more great music, I wanna create more fantasy-worlds, the bigger and the more epic, the better. And listening to the material that I have created for this forthcoming chapter in the history of AVANTASIA, I know there is no way, I am not going to do it! I have got the feeling and the certainty, that this is absolutely meant to happen and to be! - Cheerz, Tobi"


:caffeine:
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: Zydar on August 07, 2012, 12:29:12 AM
Awesome!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: Scorpion on August 07, 2012, 12:46:09 AM
Fuck yes!  :metal :metal
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: wolfking on August 07, 2012, 04:26:55 AM
Looks like the latest Edguy flop was what Tobi needed to realise that Avantasia is now where his calling is.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: Zydar on August 07, 2012, 04:53:23 AM
I've never been that much into Edguy, aside from a few songs. Avantasia is where it's at.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: wolfking on August 07, 2012, 04:59:00 AM
When Avantasia first started, both bands were pretty equal in quality, just Avantasia was always a little more exciting.  Now, Edguy are on the decline, while Avantasia are the total opposite.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: Nick on August 07, 2012, 07:34:20 AM
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Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: Lowdz on August 07, 2012, 01:54:26 PM
There's no reason why Edguy needs to be the poor cousin other than Toby must be saving the better songs for Avantasia. The bands' styles are similar, the musicians up to the job. The only real difference is the concept and the fact that Toby sings everything with Edguy.

I'm quite happy with both to exist but the Edguy album needs to have the same "love" put into it or that will change.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: wolfking on August 07, 2012, 03:34:29 PM
There's no reason why Edguy needs to be the poor cousin other than Toby must be saving the better songs for Avantasia. The bands' styles are similar, the musicians up to the job. The only real difference is the concept and the fact that Toby sings everything with Edguy.

I'm quite happy with both to exist but the Edguy album needs to have the same "love" put into it or that will change.

I agree with this totally.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: jingle.boy on November 25, 2012, 05:28:37 AM
Quote
AVANTASIA TO HIT THE STAGE IN APRIL 2013
Tobias' tour management is currently working on a headlining indoor tour for Avantasia in April. They will also play a few chosen summer festivals, and a South American and Asian tour is planned for late summer.

Tobias comments: "I know I once said we weren't gonna do it again, but then I don‘t see a reason to let this die.  I wanna put on the biggest thing you have ever seen, I wanna bring more vocalists, play longer shows, and just make it a giant Rock Opera. I love to headline festivals, you run over people in 90 minutes and kick ass. But I also like to do our own Avantasia indoor tour because we can make it much more Avantasia oriented and play almost three hours without caring about anything else but Avantasia. So we said, we have to do a giant indoor tour as well, and it's going to happen in April. I am so looking forward to it. The stage designer has just showed me his stage and light design, and it looks absolutely killer.  It will be huge. 2013 will be a major year for Avantasia, and people don't have a clue how big things are actually going to be! I am very excited - the album will be amazingly epic, and the tour will be too!" 

Tourdates will be announced soon here at tobiassammet.com!

I can only pray that there's something for North America... but I highly doubt it.  And that will make me rage!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: Scorpion on November 25, 2012, 09:04:18 AM
:caffeine:
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: Dr. DTVT on November 25, 2012, 06:41:13 PM
I am excite.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: Nick on November 25, 2012, 06:42:42 PM
I'm excited at a likely DVD at some point, but I know this will never hit NYC or anything so meh.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: jingle.boy on November 30, 2012, 07:16:46 AM
I'm feeling a rage coming on. 

Quote
NOVEMBER 29, 2012
AVANTASIA LIVE IN FRANCE
Good news again: AVANTASIA are confirmed to play their first ever show in France! Amongst bands such as KISS, Korn and Twisted Sister, AVANTASIA will hit the stage at Hellfest in Clisson to play a 90-minutes headlining show!

Tobias comments: "It's amazing. We are working on this great album which is scheduled to be out in late March by the way, and I have such a great feeling about it as the first tracks sound really huge. Now, we have announced that we'll do a little tour and all of the sudden we're getting the opportunity to headline shows and festivals all over the world! Czech Republic, England, France, Belgium... A lot of first time AVANTASIA appearances. But this is not it! More dates are being scheduled. In April we'll do Europe. Our own tour, doing 2 - 3 hours! No support act, just AVANTASIA in arenas and theaters. Further information and dates coming soon."

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NOVEMBER 29, 2012


AVANTASIA LIVE IN ENGLAND
After having been confirmed as next year's headlining act of Masters Of Rock Festival (Czech Republic) and Power Prog Festival (Belgium), Avantasia are also confirmed to hit the stage at Bloodstock Festival in England. These shows are going to mark Avantasia's first appearances in England and Belgium. Guests, information about the forthcoming album and further tourdates will be announced soon! So stay tuned!

"Our own tour, doing 2 - 3 hours! No support act, just AVANTASIA in arenas and theaters."    :omg:  Seriously... gonna rage if there's nothing in NA.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: Nick on November 30, 2012, 09:17:40 AM
They won't. They'd be throwing money away.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 27, 2012, 05:28:40 PM
Quote
Commented Sammet: "To me, he used to be what John D. Rockerduck is to Scrooge McDuck: an adamant longtime rival; in our case, when it comes to producing rock operas. Well, if you can't beat your enemy, make him your ally! And so I opened the door and literally invited pestilence into my world, ha!

"Seriously, the truth is that the 'pestilence' I'm talking about is really one of the nicest, coolest and loveliest plagues I've ever come to know, an ambitious artist through and through and a real great guitar player. So, having just come back from a shopping tour in 2912 — where apparently he found himself a brand new pair of bad-ass pants and boots — he went into the studio to record some additional lead guitar for the forthcoming AVANTASIA album, 'The Mystery Of Time': AYREON mastermind Arjen Anthony Lucassen!"

First:  :lol Then:  :metal

I wonder if Arjen will invite Tobias?......(https://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/hand-gestures/thinking-hard-smiley-emoticon.gif)
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: jingle.boy on December 27, 2012, 07:17:51 PM
:whoa:

That's a whole heaping spread of awesome sauce!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on January 08, 2013, 11:56:06 AM
I was listening to "Racer X" radio on Pandora last night and Edguy's "Golden Dawn" came on.  Pretty cool tune.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: wolfking on January 08, 2013, 02:45:01 PM
Golden Dawn was the first Edguy song I heard and it blew me away, definitely one of their greatest songs.  Possibly Sammet's best vocal performance.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: wolfking on January 10, 2013, 04:04:23 AM
Ronnie Atkins has just been confirmed as a guest also on the new Avantasia. 

I'm a happy man with that, Ronnie and Pretty Maids are fantastic.  Great to see Tobias using some under appreciated and different singers this time around.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: jingle.boy on January 11, 2013, 08:12:13 PM
From FB:

Quote
ERIC MARTIN OF MR. BIG JOINS AVANTASIA

In March the new Avantasia album "The Mystery Of Time" will be released. The list of featured artists who have been confirmed for the album reads like a who-is-who in Rock and Metal: Now another legend of Rock history has been announced: Eric Martin of US-platinum sellers MR. BIG is singing a role on the album and will join AVANTASIA on stage during the "Mystery World Tour", starting in April.

Sweet!  Anticipation continues to build
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: wolfking on January 13, 2013, 04:43:49 AM
That's one guy I would have never expected, very cool.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: jingle.boy on January 19, 2013, 08:15:45 AM
Booyah!!!

Quote
After Biff Byford (Saxon), Eric Martin (Mr. Big), Michael Kiske (ex-Helloween, Unisonic), Bruce Kulick (ex-KISS, ex-Meat Loaf), Ronnie Atkins (Pretty Maids) and Arjen Lucassen (Ayreon, ex-Vengeance) another guest star has been revealed: legendary former Deep Purple, Rainbow and Yngwie Malmsteen vocalist Joe Lynn Turner will appear on the new Avantasia album "The Mystery Of Time" (to be released in March). More details here at tobiassammet.com soon!

This could turn out to be album of the year with that lineup!!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: jingle.boy on January 19, 2013, 08:23:22 AM
Oh, and this too was posted this morning on Tobias' website.

Quote
In March the new Avantasia album "The Mystery Of Time" will be released worldwide. Lyrically it marks a conceptual story again, and the tracklist reads as follows: Spectres, The Watchmakers' Dream, Black Orchid, Where Clock Hands Freeze, Sleepwalking, Savior In The Clockwork, Invoke The Machine, What's Left Of Me, Dweller In A Dream and The Great Mystery.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: TAC on January 19, 2013, 08:23:54 AM
Buff Byford is easily the most underrated vocalist in metal. He sounds better than ever, especially when you take into account the miles on his voice.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: Zydar on January 19, 2013, 08:34:26 AM
Looking forward to this :metal
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: Lowdz on January 19, 2013, 10:53:13 AM
Buff Byford is easily the most underrated vocalist in metal. He sounds better than ever, especially when you take into account the miles on his voice.

He was something to behold back in the day. I was a big Saxon fan until Destiny. Lost track of them after that until 3-4 years ago.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: TAC on January 19, 2013, 11:10:23 AM
Their last few albums have been great, with the new one due in February. He sounds better than ever.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: wolfking on January 20, 2013, 03:39:01 AM
Joe Lynn Turner!!  :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :metal
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: wolfking on February 03, 2013, 04:16:17 AM

(https://www.blabbermouth.net/soulflypremiere/avantasiamysterycd2.jpg)

01. Spectres
02. The Watchmakers' Dream
03. Black Orchid
04. Where Clock Hands Freeze
05. Sleepwalking
06. Savior In The Clockwork
07. Invoke The Machine
08. What's Left Of Me
09. Dweller In A Dream
10. The Great Mystery

Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: Scorpion on February 03, 2013, 05:59:47 AM
I like the tracklisting, but that cover is pretty laughable.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: Lowdz on February 03, 2013, 06:36:17 AM
I like the tracklisting, but that cover is pretty laughable.

It's very Magnum-esque.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: Jaq on February 03, 2013, 09:37:11 AM
I guess I listen to so much music these days that I've let some things slide, but I've been randomly following "related artists" links on Spotify, and I pulled up Avantasia and started listening to The Scarecrow, and...jesus christ, how'd I forget how epic the fucking title track is? Jorn KILLS it.  :metal
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: TAC on February 03, 2013, 09:43:20 AM
I like the tracklisting, but that cover is pretty laughable.

It's very Magnum-esque.
Everything is Magnum-esque to you! :lol
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: Lowdz on February 03, 2013, 10:39:20 AM
I like the tracklisting, but that cover is pretty laughable.

It's very Magnum-esque.
Everything is Magnum-esque to you! :lol

They're obviously very influential  ;D

(https://www.progarchives.com/progressive_rock_discography_covers/2438/cover_3745181772009.jpg)

(https://img34.imageshack.us/img34/1769/magnumprinvessarrow.jpg)
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: wolfking on February 03, 2013, 01:36:03 PM
I like the tracklisting, but that cover is pretty laughable.

It's very Magnum-esque.

Very true, I like it.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: gazinwales on February 03, 2013, 09:23:02 PM
Yup has Magnum written all over the cover and we all know how much Tobi likes them.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: wolfking on February 04, 2013, 03:37:39 AM
Edguy's cover of the Spirit is pretty good, nowhere near as good as the original but good.  I'm great Tobi shows respect for underrated bands like Magnum and Pretty Maids, it's fresh to see other musicians sight these guys as influences when not many do.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: Jaq on February 04, 2013, 11:24:27 AM
Reason it looks like a Magnum cover art?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_Matthews

Using Magnum's long time cover artist will do that. :D
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: Lowdz on February 04, 2013, 12:07:55 PM
Reason it looks like a Magnum cover art?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_Matthews

Using Magnum's long time cover artist will do that. :D

There's no mistaking Rodney Matthews work.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: wolfking on February 24, 2013, 03:39:17 AM
(https://www.blabbermouth.net/soulflypremiere/avantmyst1.jpg)

(https://www.blabbermouth.net/soulflypremiere/avantmyst2.jpg)

(https://www.blabbermouth.net/soulflypremiere/avantmyst3.jpg)

(https://www.blabbermouth.net/soulflypremiere/avantmyst4.jpg)
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 24, 2013, 05:08:44 AM
Cant wait for preorders.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: wolfking on February 24, 2013, 05:11:43 AM
Cant wait for preorders.

Yeah, I'm surprised you can't pre order already, it's only out in less than 5 weeks.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 24, 2013, 06:32:10 AM
Cant wait for preorders.

Yeah, I'm surprised you can't p
re order already, it's only out in less than 5 weeks.

Those darn pictures are making me crave
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: wolfking on February 27, 2013, 04:29:59 AM
New song;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfQEclxbQrs

Hmmm...it's okay, nothing spectacular though.  Ronnie sounds awesome.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 28, 2013, 02:13:12 PM
Yeah it was ok. Although it is an edit.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: wolfking on March 13, 2013, 04:41:13 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTq8Q94eLDk
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: jingle.boy on March 22, 2013, 05:35:18 AM
New Avantasia song/video is online:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oeuqm5j2aA&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: wolfking on March 22, 2013, 05:49:58 AM
Nice to see you Chad.

Jesus, there is a lot of layers of cheese right here.  Not a big fan after the first listen, Tobi use to be the best ballad writer in the business IMO back in the Edguy glory days, but the last three albums, the ballads have easily been the weakest on the album IMO.  I think he probably should have done the song with Ronnie as a video.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: jingle.boy on March 22, 2013, 06:01:14 AM
I liked it.  I think the video is cheesier than the song itself.  Nice to see Cloudy up front.  Ballads were never my favorite part of Avantasia, but I liked this.

Play it later without watching it ... see if your opinion changes.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Scorpion on March 22, 2013, 06:50:41 AM
I don't know man. Maybe I've just moved away from this kind of music, but it didn't really do anything to me. I'll still check out the album, though I'll probably give it a Spotify listen before buying, maybe it's just the song.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: kirksnosehair on March 22, 2013, 07:12:45 AM
Isn't this being released next week?
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: wolfking on March 22, 2013, 02:43:07 PM
Isn't this being released next week?

Yeah, the 30th.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: philmcson on March 22, 2013, 03:34:25 PM
Just gave the album a proper listen. To me, this is Avantasia's most powerful album EVER! Every other album usually had a song or two which were just fillers and would decrease the overall grade..... but on this one, I like every single one! He made a few longer-than-ten-minutes-songs which maybe even have a few nuances of prog, but maybe just my perception. Anyway, get it! Adorable stuff!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Nick on March 22, 2013, 03:40:21 PM
So many reasons that video is bad I will simply post my favorite... Sascha giving the intense solo face no matter what he's playing.

Song itself sounded great though!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: wolfking on March 22, 2013, 03:47:25 PM
Man, I really can't stand Sascha's style of playing.  I wish Henjo would come back.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: gazinwales on March 23, 2013, 12:28:01 AM
Just gave the album a proper listen. To me, this is Avantasia's most powerful album EVER! Every other album usually had a song or two which were just fillers and would decrease the overall grade..... but on this one, I like every single one! He made a few longer-than-ten-minutes-songs which maybe even have a few nuances of prog, but maybe just my perception. Anyway, get it! Adorable stuff!

I have to agree with you here 100%, it is the best Avantasia so far, absolute killer.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: jingle.boy on March 23, 2013, 07:01:00 AM
God-fucking-dammit.  Nowhere has he ever stated a NA release date, and the iTunes Canada store says "Expected April 30th"

:wtf:

Same with amazon.com.  Or I can spend $62 to order the "import" CD.   >:(

:getoffmylawn:

Nuclear Blast can blow me.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: gazinwales on March 23, 2013, 12:05:37 PM
USA release date is April 16th.
I'm getting mine from CD Japan, bonus track for Japan only.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Dr. DTVT on March 23, 2013, 02:58:11 PM
Haven't listened, but pre-ordered anyway.  If it's a notch below their worst album, it will still be worth having - although I don't see this being their worst.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: gazinwales on March 23, 2013, 03:11:53 PM
Anyone know what is on the 2nd disc?
Is it purely instrumental versions of the album or something different?
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: wolfking on March 24, 2013, 07:01:02 PM
USA release date is April 16th.
I'm getting mine from CD Japan, bonus track for Japan only.

How much did you pay for the Japan edition?
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: philmcson on March 25, 2013, 08:09:07 PM
Anyone know what is on the 2nd disc?
Is it purely instrumental versions of the album or something different?

Yup, instrumentals.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: gazinwales on March 25, 2013, 11:38:48 PM
USA release date is April 16th.
I'm getting mine from CD Japan, bonus track for Japan only.

How much did you pay for the Japan edition?

$26 plus postage
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: wolfking on March 26, 2013, 03:32:39 AM
That's a damn good price.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Scorpion on April 10, 2013, 06:47:03 AM
I'm finally getting around to listening to this, and I'm liking what I'm hearing. Great melodies, but that has always been Tobi's strength. And unlike Wolfie, I really like Sascha's playing style, so that's cool. Added plus is that the bass is doing some pretty interesting stuff on this album, which is always fun to hear.

EDIT: Though I wouldn't have minded the keyboards to be cut back a little. The keyboard solos in the first tracks were the respective weak point of each track, in my opinion, though they were still quite cool tracks.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: wolfking on April 10, 2013, 03:15:18 PM
With the release date confusion, I have no idea when I can get my hands on this.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: wolfking on April 12, 2013, 05:29:40 AM
I'm hoping I'm lucky enough to pick this up in store tomorrow, or else I'll have to wait until the end of the month online.  >:(
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: kirksnosehair on April 12, 2013, 08:34:35 AM
I've got an iTunes gift card.  According to the iTunes store it won't be available until April 30th so I'll probably get it then.



Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Orthogonal on May 03, 2013, 01:15:35 AM
Finally got around to giving their whole catalog a spin now that it arrived in the mail this week. Overall very good, but damn, the new release Mystery of Time is a cut above. Fantastic album from beginning to end. Easily their best.  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Scorpion on May 03, 2013, 02:48:32 AM
I wouldn't call it their best, but it's fucking awesome.

Tentative rankings:

1. The Scarecrow
2. The Mystery of Time
3. The Wicked Symphony/Angel of Babylon (bumped up due to containing my favourite Avantasia song, Stargazers)
4. The Metal Opera, Pt. 1
5. The Metal Opera, Pt. 2

Wow, Tobias is sure fond of his "The".
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Lowdz on May 03, 2013, 02:53:24 AM
I really like it. Great album.

Watched the Flying Opera dvd yesterday and that is a great show.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: wolfking on May 03, 2013, 02:54:50 AM
Man, that's some positive opinions right there, I still haven't got it.  >:(
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: jingle.boy on May 03, 2013, 06:28:39 AM
I really like it. Great album.

Watched the Flying Opera dvd yesterday and that is a great show.

Damn straight. One of my fav concert DVDs.

Trying to figure out if its worh spending $450 or so to see them at the festival in Quebec in a couple of mins they just announced. I'm pretty certain it is. Not like they'll be coming to North America any other time in my life.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: kirksnosehair on May 03, 2013, 08:47:13 AM
OK, I've listened to this 3 times now and I find that I must revert to "do not spin too often" mode because I LOVE IT  :eek   :tup   :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Lowdz on May 03, 2013, 02:00:59 PM
I really like it. Great album.

Watched the Flying Opera dvd yesterday and that is a great show.

Damn straight. One of my fav concert DVDs.

Trying to figure out if its worh spending $450 or so to see them at the festival in Quebec in a couple of mins they just announced. I'm pretty certain it is. Not like they'll be coming to North America any other time in my life.

Sounds like a great way to blow $450. Another is to send it to me.
Give my love to Amanda Somerville if she's there.  :heart
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on May 03, 2013, 02:16:27 PM
I really need to order this album.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: kirksnosehair on May 03, 2013, 02:18:27 PM
This might just be the best Avantasia album yet.  It's that good.  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: jingle.boy on May 13, 2013, 07:18:50 AM
"Our own tour, doing 2 - 3 hours! No support act, just AVANTASIA in arenas and theaters."    :omg:  Seriously... gonna rage if there's nothing in NA.

They won't. They'd be throwing money away.

My rage is over.  Just bought my ticket for the Quebec City Festival.  Cashed in points for the flight, hotel and a car rental.  Overall, $250 to see Avantasia.  Booyah!!!  Nick, get yourself a damn passport and c'mon up.

I'll lay my love into Amanda Somerville for anyone who wants me to.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Dr. DTVT on May 13, 2013, 08:04:58 AM
Damn, I don't think I can afford to go. It is even taunting me by lining up with my vacation.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Nick on May 13, 2013, 10:56:16 AM
"Our own tour, doing 2 - 3 hours! No support act, just AVANTASIA in arenas and theaters."    :omg:  Seriously... gonna rage if there's nothing in NA.

They won't. They'd be throwing money away.

My rage is over.  Just bought my ticket for the Quebec City Festival.  Cashed in points for the flight, hotel and a car rental.  Overall, $250 to see Avantasia.  Booyah!!!  Nick, get yourself a damn passport and c'mon up.

I'll lay my love into Amanda Somerville for anyone who wants me to.

I actually have my passport now, but I don't think I'll be up for this unfortunately.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Dr. DTVT on May 13, 2013, 01:17:03 PM
Halfway through the last song - that riff reeks of Steve Perry's "Oh Sherry"  :lol
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread
Post by: wolfking on May 13, 2013, 03:25:39 PM
"Our own tour, doing 2 - 3 hours! No support act, just AVANTASIA in arenas and theaters."    :omg:  Seriously... gonna rage if there's nothing in NA.

They won't. They'd be throwing money away.

My rage is over.  Just bought my ticket for the Quebec City Festival.  Cashed in points for the flight, hotel and a car rental.  Overall, $250 to see Avantasia.  Booyah!!!  Nick, get yourself a damn passport and c'mon up.

I'll lay my love into Amanda Somerville for anyone who wants me to.

 :censored :censored :censored Damn this continent I live on.  Give Amanda my phone number, please.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: wolfking on May 17, 2013, 06:57:04 AM
Finally got my copy of this and just finished listening to it for the first time.  It's late and I'm tired so I missed a lot of it and it's quite a big listen on the first go.

The first two tracks were amazing, especially the first, definitely one of the best songs Tobi has ever come up with.  Still not a big fan of Sleepwalking but it's okay in the context of the album.  The ballad with Eric Martin was good too.  The song with Ronnie sounded better than it did when it was released too.  Kiske sounds amazing and I think I missed most of Joe's bits.  The title track is a good closer too.

More listens required, but good stuff.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Scorpion on May 17, 2013, 07:04:11 AM
Favourite songs from the album, anyone? I'd probably say Where Clock Hands Freeze, Black Orchid and Savior in the Clockwork.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: wolfking on May 17, 2013, 07:06:46 AM
After the first listen, the first song, need more listens though.  Also, how good is the bonus track, The Cross and You?  That's one of my favs on first listen too.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: kirksnosehair on May 17, 2013, 08:09:06 AM
Favourite songs from the album, anyone? I'd probably say Where Clock Hands Freeze, Black Orchid and Savior in the Clockwork.


Probably "Savior In The Clockwork"  or "The Great Mystery"
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Nick on May 17, 2013, 08:49:28 AM
After enough spins I have to say this album is just too bland compared to the last three albums. The guest vocalists don't stand out nearly as much and not too many songs grab and wow me. Decent effort, but was hoping for better.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: philmcson on May 17, 2013, 10:00:38 AM
Favourite songs from the album, anyone? I'd probably say Where Clock Hands Freeze, Black Orchid and Savior in the Clockwork.

Spectres, Black Orchid, Savior and Invoke the machine.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: wolfking on May 17, 2013, 04:41:46 PM
The guest vocalists don't stand out nearly as much

This was my thought on the first listen too, even though I love JLT, Biff and Ronnie.  I just don't think they are given much time or room to leave a mark.  The songs make up for it though.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: wolfking on May 19, 2013, 04:43:45 AM
After listening to this a couple more times, it's really good, really well done by Tobi.  A couple of things I'd like to point out;

*The chorus if Spectres is incredible
*Arjen's solo in The Watchmaker's Dream is the best guitar solo on the album and could be the best moment on the entire album, it's unbelievable.
*Where Clock Hands Freeze is awesome and one of Tobi's best songs he's ever come up with
*Ronnie should be featured on more than one song.
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Post by: kirksnosehair on May 19, 2013, 04:46:13 AM
I listened to "The Wicked Symphony" while mowing the lawn yesterday.  It's a bit more diverse sounding, but I still think I like this new one more.
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Post by: wolfking on May 19, 2013, 04:49:53 AM
It's hard to judge so early, but I'm not sure if it tops Symphony yet, but it has the potential. I think it has already surprassed Babylon IMO.
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Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on June 05, 2013, 12:52:49 PM
Finally got this album. Thoughts so far: Maybe it's just because I don't listen to a lot of melodic/hard rock, but most of the vocalists don't seem to stand out. I wish Jorn had come back. I would have liked a bit more of Bob Catley as well.

Other than that, though, I think the album is fantastic. Not as good as the previous three, though that could change as it grows on me. Arjen's solo is brilliant, one of my favorite solos. Tobi sounds really good, especially on Spectres and Sleepwalking.

 Saviour In The Clockwork is great, (although, when he says "saviour in the clockwork", does anyone else here "devil in the belfry"?) Invoke The Machine is great, Where Clock Hands Freeze is great. Overall, very good album.:tup

Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: jingle.boy on July 08, 2013, 08:57:53 AM
What an amazing show last night. Will post a full review and pics in the coming days (when I'm back home and at a PC), but damn!  Just DAMN!!! 
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Post by: wolfking on July 08, 2013, 03:30:50 PM
What an amazing show last night. Will post a full review and pics in the coming days (when I'm back home and at a PC), but damn!  Just DAMN!!!

So jealous.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 08, 2013, 04:20:23 PM
Tobi always puts on a great show.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: wolfking on July 08, 2013, 07:11:02 PM
I saw Tobi and Edguy on the Hellfire Club tour where they played a small club with no more than 150 people.  They still put on an incredible show.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: jingle.boy on July 10, 2013, 05:30:33 AM
Ok, here are my thoughts and a few pics.

I purposely didn't follow anything about previous concerts, so I had no clue as to the setlist, or even which vocalists were going to be there.  I caught a bit of the sound check as I was walking around the festival in the afternoon.  Got to the venue about 15 minutes after they opened the gates (it was in an open field, about the size of a soccer/football field, with temporary fencing surrounding the entire space).  Because I was a little late, I wasn't able to get right up front, so I decided to take a spot about 30-40 feet from the stage, as the field started to incline, that way I could see over the 'pit' (there was a temporary floor setup).  First couple of acts were awful (for my tastes)... local Quebec based thrash-metal bands.  They both had lots of fans, but it was painful to endure for me.

Avantasia came on at 9:15, and played for a solid 2 hours.  Here's the set:

Spectres
Watchmaker's Dream
Tobi sounded great on both of these, and Hartmann did a great job on JLT's parts.
The Story Ain't Over - Catley rises up from the back, just like in the DVD, and does a great job on this one.  Found it surprising he came out for one song (somewhat odd he did it all on his own) and then disappeared again.
Reach Out for the Light - Kiske!  When he first came out (before hitting the mic) I swear from the distance I was at, I was scared it was Tate!!!  :lol... then when he started singing I knew it wasn't.
Avantasia - here's where I knew something was up.  Kiske announced he was going to be doing a bunch of parts he hadn't done before, and had a monitor with the lyrics at the front of the stage to help him through it.  He did this one on his own (with Somerville and Thomas Rettke on backing vocals).  We'd find out later that Tobi was down with a fever all afternoon, and it was a virtual miracle that he even made it on stage at all - but being their first show in North America, I'm sure he wasn't going to miss it for anything.
Scales of Justice - Tobi came out just to introduce Rettke (who's done backing vocals for Edguy and Avantasia) as the lead for this one.  Damn he did a fine job, and nailed all those high notes just as good as Ripper.
What's Left of Me - Eric Martin!  Always was a big Mr. Big fan, so to see him on stage was awesome.  This song was surprisingly fantastic.
Dying for an Angel - Martin/Kiske.  Sounded great.  Apparently it was the first time on the tour that Martin and Kiske sung together.
Promised Land - Martin/Tobi.  Weird to not hear Jorn doing this one, especially since it's one of my favorite Avantasia songs, but Martin did a good job none-the-less.  The guitar solos/unisons rocked it!
The Wicked Symphony - Catley did Tobi's parts; Rettke did Allen's; Hartmann did Lande's.  Great to hear this track, dulled a little by the fact that it didn't have any of the original lead voices.
Farewell - Tobi stuck around for this one
Lost in Space - and this one
Stargazers - Like Wicked Symphony, Hartley did Tobi's part, Rettke did Allen's and Hartmann did Lande's.  Obviously, Kiske and Hartman did their own.  Sounded great regardless
The Scarecrow - Tobi came out for this as the closer.  Was damned impressive for Hartmann to do all of Lande's parts ... especially the final stanza's.  The solo's that Paeth and Hartmann exchanged were bone chilling.
Encore - Twisted Mind + Sign of the Cross.  As usual, Tobi introduced the band during Sign, but they cluster fucked the ending.... looked like Bohnke (drums) closed it out earlier anyone else expected.

Overall, amazing show.  So worth the time and dollars to go to Quebec City for it.  Only had my shitty iPhone for pics.  Took a video of the opening moments, but there are a couple of better ones out on YT already:

Spectres - Official Festival video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9aqFbuFx-k&list=PLkyPbBvdpddEO2K_WDcjXRFUxSmfbWehn)

Fan video - Spectres + Watchmaker's Dream (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVwkZSzsDzU)

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After the show, a few people were mulling around where their trailers were (on the other side of the temporary fences/barier), and a few of the band came out to chat, sign autographs, take pics.  Kiske stayed for about 10-15 mins just chatting, but unfortunately there were too many people around him for me to get a good pic.  But ....

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Damn Amanda is one fine woman - looking, and just as a person in general.  Very kind and gracious.  She was talking about how she was able to fly her parents in for this show (she's from Michigan, only a couple hour flight away), and it was quite a thrill for her. 

So, I leave and go back to the hotel, and am just sitting in the lobby writing down my thoughts about the concert, and who strolls in?  Somerville with her parents.  We give each other a little smile/laugh of recognition.  I didn't get all stalky on her, and just let her be with her parents, but kinda wish I'd gotten a better picture with her.  Oh well.

All in all, it was awesome.  I was kinda surprised they only did 3 from The Mystery of Time, but they did the three signature songs from each album of the Scarecrow Saga, so that was the cat's ass!

You are all envious!  :lol
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: TAC on July 10, 2013, 05:50:08 AM
Reach Out for the Light - Kiske!  When he first came out (before hitting the mic) I swear from the distance I was at, I was scared it was Tate!!!  :lol... then when he started singing I knew it wasn't.
:lol
Damn right!


Avantasia - here's where I knew something was up.  Kiske announced he was going to be doing a bunch of parts he hadn't done before, and had a monitor with the lyrics at the front of the stage to help him through it.  He did this one on his own (with Somerville and Thomas Rettke on backing vocals).  We'd find out later that Tobi was down with a fever all afternoon, and it was a virtual miracle that he even made it on stage at all - but being their first show in North America, I'm sure he wasn't going to miss it for anything.

Nice! Avantasia with less Tobi and MORE KISKE! :tup :tup :tup

Seriously, for me, Vocally Tobi is easily the weak link in Avantasia and has really stopped me from getting into them. Gotta give the man some props though for his songwriting and putting the whole thing together though.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: wolfking on July 10, 2013, 06:09:45 AM
Fuck, if I saw Amanda in a hotel room, look out.  Very jealous my good friend.

Interesting choice of singers for some of those songs.  Catley handling Tobi's parts and Oli doing The Scarecrow would have been a challenge.  Also Martin singing Promised Land.

Really good setlist though and great to see Rippers song.  A shame Tobi was ill, he puts on a great show.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: wolfking on July 10, 2013, 06:26:14 AM
Just watched a boot of The Scarecrow out of interest as to how Oli tackled it.  I gotta say, he fucking nails it.  He was probably my fav part of the DVD, such a talent and I'm glad to see he was used more on the album and gets more time to shine live.  He is now a crucial part of Avantasia, perhaps IMO more than Paeth.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: jingle.boy on July 10, 2013, 08:00:29 AM
Fuck, if I saw Amanda in a hotel room, look out.

To be fair, I only saw her in the lobby.   :lol

Almost agree with you re: Oli.  On Stage, he's definitely more important than Sascha now with (almost) all the Lande vocal duties along with his own and backing.  However, overall contributions to Avantasia, Sascha is still more crucial.

Despite being sick and not able to do the normal quantity of singing, Tobi's quality and stage presence sure didn't suffer.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: wolfking on July 10, 2013, 03:45:35 PM
Fuck, if I saw Amanda in a hotel room, look out.

To be fair, I only saw her in the lobby.   :lol

Almost agree with you re: Oli.  On Stage, he's definitely more important than Sascha now with (almost) all the Lande vocal duties along with his own and backing.  However, overall contributions to Avantasia, Sascha is still more crucial.

Despite being sick and not able to do the normal quantity of singing, Tobi's quality and stage presence sure didn't suffer.

That's good enough for me.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 10, 2013, 04:02:58 PM
Amanda :heart
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: TAC on July 17, 2013, 06:48:47 AM
The Mystery Of Time may actually make my Top 5 of the year. This album is fantastic!
I'm loving it. Michael Kiske sounds incredible. When Clock Hands Freeze is a perfect song for him.

The parts written for Biff Byford are great, and although his voice is barely recognizable, JLT sounds fantastic.

"The final hour
When Never and Now become one"

Brilliant!!!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: jingle.boy on July 17, 2013, 06:53:02 AM
Yeah, I listened to it a few of times leading up to the concert, and it just got better with every listen.  It's definitely Top 5 at the moment.  Not sure it will get to #1, but it's definitely one of the best so far.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: TAC on July 17, 2013, 06:56:42 AM
Yeah, I listened to it a few of times leading up to the concert, and it just got better with every listen.  It's definitely Top 5 at the moment.  Not sure it will get to #1, but it's definitely one of the best so far.

#1 is reserved for Dream Theater! :D

I'm not even a huge Tobi guy (vocally), but even he sounds fantastic. What a great songwriter.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 17, 2013, 09:59:10 AM
I wasn't a big fan of Tobi initially, either. His style really grows on you, though.

What's everyone's favorite song from The Mystery Of Time? Mine's probably still The Watchmaker's Dream.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: jingle.boy on July 17, 2013, 10:04:00 AM
Gotta go with Saviour in the Clockwork.  Black Orchid is pretty hot though too

Yeah, I listened to it a few of times leading up to the concert, and it just got better with every listen.  It's definitely Top 5 at the moment.  Not sure it will get to #1, but it's definitely one of the best so far.

#1 is reserved for Dream Theater! :D

I'm not even a huge Tobi guy (vocally), but even he sounds fantastic. What a great songwriter.

I hadn't noticed!   ::)
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Post by: Thematt202 on July 17, 2013, 11:43:17 AM
I love The Watchmaker's Dream.  The bass and the organ solo are fantastic!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 17, 2013, 11:47:13 AM
Hmm, you didn't mention Arjen's glorious guitar solo.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Thematt202 on July 17, 2013, 12:00:36 PM
Hmm, you didn't mention Arjen's glorious guitar solo.

That too!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: TAC on July 17, 2013, 12:27:52 PM
When Clock Hands Freeze is the best Kiske sung song since Instant Clarity came out.

I wish Tobi would write Kiske's next album.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 17, 2013, 12:44:30 PM
Album ranking time!

The Wicked Symphony
The Scarecrow
Angel Of Babylon
The Mystery Of Time
The Metal Opera Part I
The Metal Opera Part II
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Nick on July 17, 2013, 12:58:03 PM
Album ranking time!

The Wicked Symphony
The Scarecrow
Angel Of Babylon
The Mystery Of Time
The Metal Opera Part I
The Metal Opera Part II

Probably my exact ranking.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 17, 2013, 01:31:44 PM
\o
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: TAC on July 17, 2013, 01:48:33 PM
The only Avantasia CDs that I really listen to are The Wicked Symphony (Scales Of Justice  :metal) and The Scarecrow (any CD with both Alice Cooper AND Michael Kiske is all win) , but I like The Mystery Of Time much better than both.

I'm really not familiar enough with their other stuff to finish out my rankings, but suffice to say that I have had my Avantasia epiphany!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 17, 2013, 01:50:41 PM
Get Angel Of Babylon. It's not as good as Wicked Symphony or Scarecrow, but it's got it's fair share of awesome moments.
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Post by: Nick on July 17, 2013, 02:06:32 PM
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Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Lowdz on July 17, 2013, 02:46:41 PM
Yeah, I listened to it a few of times leading up to the concert, and it just got better with every listen.  It's definitely Top 5 at the moment.  Not sure it will get to #1, but it's definitely one of the best so far.

#1 is reserved for Dream Theater! :D

I'm not even a huge Tobi guy (vocally), but even he sounds fantastic. What a great songwriter.

I like his voice usually, but on Vain Glory Opera his vibrato ruins the album for me. Amongst the awesome vocalists in the Avantasia fold he isn't out of place.
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Post by: Zook on July 17, 2013, 02:51:00 PM
*tackles everyone*

SHE'S MINE DAMNIT! MINE!!!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 17, 2013, 02:52:13 PM
wat
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 17, 2013, 02:53:49 PM
I wasn't aware there was an Avantasia thread  :D

Saw them live 2 weeks ago, OMG THEY PLAYED THE SEVEN ANGELS HOW AWESOME CAN THAT BE?!

Seriously, though. Tobias Sammet does know how to put a good show. I wasn't extremely fan of the new record until I heard the new song live, Savior in the Clockwork particularly stands out. I thought the song was a classic 10 minute metal meh-ish song until I heard the thing live. The whole band and cast of singers are so passionate on stage that you can't help but to be drawn into that. Also, they recorded the Mexico City show for a live CD release, so it was said by Sammet halfway through the show.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 17, 2013, 02:56:40 PM
Awesome! What was the whole setlist at the show you went to, if you remember?
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Zook on July 17, 2013, 02:58:25 PM
There really should be an Amanda Somerville Thread.

Speaking of Avantasia, I tried listening to Keeper of the Seven Keys Part 2, and although I couldn't get through the whole thing, I reminded me of Avantasia. It's crazy how influential that album is, but sad that the originater of Power Metal sounds dirivitive.
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Post by: jingle.boy on July 17, 2013, 03:03:38 PM
Get Angel Of Babylon. It's not as good as Wicked Symphony or Scarecrow, but it's got it's fair share of awesome moments.

To TAC... ^this. And since its a 3-part saga, you kinda have to have it. Wolfking will disagree, but The Metal Opera can wait. It's not that it's bad, but it's like the chicks that finish 5th and 6th in a Miss Universe contest.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 17, 2013, 03:06:18 PM
I will admit, The Metal Opera has really grown on me since I first heard it (I really didn't like it all, then.), especially the songs with David DeFeis. But they are still (in my opinion) a step below the Wicked Trilogy.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 17, 2013, 03:06:57 PM
Awesome! What was the whole setlist at the show you went to, if you remember?
Yeah, this is it:
1. Spectres
2. The Watchmaker's Dream
3. The Story Ain't Over
4. The Great Mystery
5. Prelude
6. Reach Out for the Light
7. Breaking Away
8. Scales of Justice
9. What's Left of Me
10. Promised Land
11. The Scarecrow
12. Shelter from the Rain
13. In Quest For
14. The Wicked Symphony
15. Lost in Space
16. Savior in the Clockwork
17. Stargazers
18. Twisted Mind
19. Dying for an Angel
Encore:
20. Farewell
21. Avantasia
22. The Seven Angels
23. Sign of the Cross

Friggin' long and amazing show. 3 hours 15 minutes, at least. This is going for a live CD, which is totally amazing.
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Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 17, 2013, 03:09:42 PM
:omg:

I would cut off several limbs for that setlist. I wish they'd play What Kind Of Love, though. Amanda's amazing on that one.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: TAC on July 17, 2013, 03:48:29 PM
Get Angel Of Babylon. It's not as good as Wicked Symphony or Scarecrow, but it's got it's fair share of awesome moments.

To TAC... ^this. And since its a 3-part saga, you kinda have to have it. Wolfking will disagree, but The Metal Opera can wait. It's not that it's bad, but it's like the chicks that finish 5th and 6th in a Miss Universe contest.

I actually have it, as well as The Metal Opera. I'm going to be digging through them. For the most part, Avantasia has been one and dones for me.
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Post by: wolfking on July 17, 2013, 08:49:10 PM
That setlist is incredible.

And yes, Metal Opera part 1 all the way.  Ranking.

Metal Opera Part 1
Metal Opera Part 2
Scarecrow
Wicked Symphony
Mystery of Time
Angel of Babylon
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 17, 2013, 09:09:53 PM
Pretty close to being the exact opposite of mine. :lol

Still, they're all really excellent albums.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 17, 2013, 10:35:38 PM
I'm extremely fond of the Metal Opera albums because they bring a lot of memories from my middle school days, in which I was completely obsessed with this band. The newer albums (Except Angel of Babylon) rank higher nowadays, but The Seven Angels is still my favorite Avantasia song.
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Post by: Lowdz on July 18, 2013, 01:14:16 PM
Scarecrow

Metal Opera

Mystery Of Time- might go higher in time

Wicked Symphony

Metal Opera II

Angel Of Babylon

And I've got a soft spot for David Defeiss. Quite like some Virgin Steele, especially the House Of Atreus albums- if only they had ManOwaR's budget.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: wolfking on July 18, 2013, 09:26:56 PM
Daved was my fav part of Metal Opera 2.  Love his vocals and delivery.  I have a couple of Virgin Steele albums, they are pretty good, but I need to check their earlier stuff.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Lowdz on July 19, 2013, 09:26:56 AM
Daved was my fav part of Metal Opera 2.  Love his vocals and delivery.  I have a couple of Virgin Steele albums, they are pretty good, but I need to check their earlier stuff.

The albums I've heard were let down by the production. Some were just poor. A bit of a Whitesnake vibe at times.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: TAC on July 19, 2013, 10:07:03 AM
The production has seemed to improve over time.

Get Angel Of Babylon. It's not as good as Wicked Symphony or Scarecrow, but it's got it's fair share of awesome moments.

To TAC... ^this. And since its a 3-part saga, you kinda have to have it. Wolfking will disagree, but The Metal Opera can wait. It's not that it's bad, but it's like the chicks that finish 5th and 6th in a Miss Universe contest.

So I ran through AOB last night.
Musically it is excellent.

First off, Jorn Lande is an incredible vocalist. And I mean that.
But I just don't connect with him. I feel the same about Russ Allen.
Getting out the flame suit here, but this album has too much Jorn.
If they took 2 or 3 songs from Jorn and gave them to Kiske, I would be a lot happier.

Also, Death is Just A Feeling is a great song, but what a giant piece of vocal suck ass. It's well known that I am not a Jon Oliva fan, but this is terrible.
This song was made for Alice Cooper. Not for someone trying horribly to sound like Alice.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 19, 2013, 10:11:48 AM
I love Jorn, I wish there was more of him. :lol

And Death Is Just A Feeling is one of my favorite songs, so.... I suppose our tastes are very different. :lol
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: jingle.boy on July 19, 2013, 10:19:17 AM
I'm with the ninja. I love Jorn's voice, so I'm ok with lots of him. AoB is the weakest of the trilogy though, for sure. Despite a couple of standouts, it's pretty mediocre (relative to the other two)
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: TAC on August 20, 2013, 08:24:30 PM
I have officially "cracked the code" for Avantasia on the trip to Disney.

More when I return.

The Metal Opera II.  :metal

Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: jingle.boy on August 20, 2013, 09:22:35 PM
Glad you are finally coming around, and saw/listened the way you always should have.  Just gonna leave these here though:

Also, If Tobias stuck to writing and not singing, I'd like Avantasia a LOT more!

Sounds like he's trying to be both Michael Kiske AND Jon Bon Jovi at the same time!

Nice! Avantasia with less Tobi and MORE KISKE! :tup :tup :tup

Seriously, for me, Vocally Tobi is easily the weak link in Avantasia and has really stopped me from getting into them.

Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Jaq on August 21, 2013, 06:50:54 AM
There really should be an Amanda Somerville Thread.

Speaking of Avantasia, I tried listening to Keeper of the Seven Keys Part 2, and although I couldn't get through the whole thing, I reminded me of Avantasia. It's crazy how influential that album is, but sad that the originater of Power Metal sounds dirivitive.

If you find one of the albums that defined power metal and a band that Sammnet has spent a large part of his career emulating derivative of the work that came 15 plus years after it came out...you're doing it wrong.  :rollin
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: bosk1 on December 04, 2013, 11:09:51 AM
Well, shoot.  New band discovered; more money out the door.  :emptypockets:
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on December 04, 2013, 11:12:26 AM
YES! Avantasia is awesome. Which albums have you heard? Also, I must thank you for giving me a new emote. I had become concerned that the well was drying up, so to speak.








:emptypockets:
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: bosk1 on December 04, 2013, 11:19:46 AM
Thanks to the Metal Voice 2013 top 10 album list, I'm listening to the new one.  I'm about halfway through.  So far, Black Orchid was the song that tipped the scale for me. 

And don't worry about new emoticons.  I've added a few recently.  In fact, I just added another new one a few minutes ago.  ...not that anyone will find it before it is revealed (except the person who helped me create it).
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on December 04, 2013, 11:23:47 AM
Ah, Mystery Of Time is very good, but I'd say the three preceding it (The Scarecrow, The Wicked Symphony and The Angel of Babylon) are all better.   
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: bosk1 on December 04, 2013, 11:26:55 AM
Holy crap solo and background riff in Savior In The Clockwork!  :panicattack: :2metal:
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: kirksnosehair on December 04, 2013, 12:28:31 PM
Ah, Mystery Of Time is very good, but I'd say the three preceding it (The Scarecrow, The Wicked Symphony and The Angel of Babylon) are all better.   




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Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Lowdz on December 04, 2013, 02:49:50 PM
Thanks to the Metal Voice 2013 top 10 album list, I'm listening to the new one.  I'm about halfway through.  So far, Black Orchid was the song that tipped the scale for me. 

And don't worry about new emoticons.  I've added a few recently.  In fact, I just added another new one a few minutes ago.  ...not that anyone will find it before it is revealed (except the person who helped me create it).

We have been trying to tell you for long enough  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: bosk1 on December 04, 2013, 03:06:57 PM
Who has?  I don't remember anyone ever mentioning this band to me.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Lowdz on December 04, 2013, 03:29:16 PM
Who has?  I don't remember anyone ever mentioning this band to me.

Well maybe not directly depending on the threads you read (or don't). Kade and Chad have certainly fought their corner. But there again, you only just found Maiden...  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: TAC on December 04, 2013, 03:41:47 PM
Holy crap solo and background riff in Savior In The Clockwork!  :panicattack: :2metal:

Bosk, Savior In The Clockwork my Song Of The Year!!

Like you, I also had my Avantasia epiphany with this album. I actually owned 3 of their albums before this came out, and while I thought they were OK, I just never "got" them. I'm also generally not a fan of the multi vocalist thing.

And while I liked early Edguy very much, They really lost me along the way. I'm not a huge fan of Toby's voice, as I feel he tries to be both Michael Kiske AND Jon Bon Jovi all at once, while not being either. But his vocals really stand out on Mystery Of Time.

Being a huge Kiske fan, I'm obviously drawn to him, but Biff Byford is perfectly cast, and the dusting off of old Joe Lynn Turner was a brilliant move, as he really delivers here.

Because of this album, this might be the first year where a Dream Theater released album is not my Album Of The Year.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: wolfking on December 04, 2013, 05:39:49 PM
Who has?  I don't remember anyone ever mentioning this band to me.

Well maybe not directly depending on the threads you read (or don't). Kade and Chad have certainly fought their corner. But there again, you only just found Maiden...  :biggrin:

Yeah man.  I've actually been following this band since the first album.  I've followed Edguy too from around Theater of Slavation, so I know both bands well.  I've pretty much eaten up every single album.  Cause I've been with Tobi from the start of Avantasia, I still think the first album is the best, but all albums are pretty much on the same high quality level.  Mystery of Time was interesting for me.  I enjoyed it, but it was the only Avantasia album that really needed time for it to grow on me.  I think the guest musicians could have been utilised better, but I still go back to it now and really, it's a solid piece to be added to the discography.  I do miss Henjo and am not really a fan of Sascha too, but people like him so whatever, I'm cool.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: jingle.boy on December 04, 2013, 11:08:28 PM
Definitely one of the better finds DTF has introduced me to.  Can't say much more than I already did here. https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35218.msg1557097#msg1557097

Enjoy the ride Bosk. You've got 6 fabulous albums to explore.  Incredibly, I was spinning The Metal Opera today, as I think I'm gonna start an Avantasia Survivor when I get home this weekend.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: bosk1 on December 05, 2013, 07:21:08 AM
I wish I had a few more minutes yesterday to chat up the guy at the music store when I bought it.  I got to the counter and he gave me the somewhat standard question, "Did you find what you were looking for?"  I handed him the CD to ring up, and he looked at it and said, "OH YEAH YOU DID!"  :lol

He then asked me if I needed a bag, or if it was just going straight into the CD player in the car.  I told him the latter, and he offered to open it for me.  I accepted, a bit off balance by the question since I have NEVER been asked that before.  The guy was a pro, and removed both the plastic wrap and the stupid tape strip in like 2 seconds flat. 

I...I think I have a crush on the kid at the CD store now.  :lol
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: bosk1 on December 05, 2013, 08:03:59 AM
Listening this morning, and...wow.  This album could sneak into my top 5 of the year.  It is top 10 for sure.  I wouldn't put it above the new Dream Theater, James Labrie, Trivium, or Queensryche.  But I'm trying to figure out where it ranks among Fates Warning and Stryper, and may just be better than both.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: wolfking on December 05, 2013, 01:04:25 PM
Did you get the digi edition with the bonus tracks, or just there standard edition?
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: bosk1 on December 05, 2013, 01:21:35 PM
Standard.  That was all they had, and I didn't know there was a digi with bonus tracks (if I had known, I might have held out for that).  Are the bonus tracks any good?  If so, maybe I'll d/l them from Amazon.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Lowdz on December 05, 2013, 01:43:43 PM
Definitely one of the better finds DTF has introduced me to.  Can't say much more than I already did here. https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35218.msg1557097#msg1557097

Enjoy the ride Bosk. You've got 6 fabulous albums to explore.  Incredibly, I was spinning The Metal Opera today, as I think I'm gonna start an Avantasia Survivor when I get home this weekend.

I better look out for that. Better bone up on Babylon and Symphony as they are the two I don't play as much.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: wolfking on December 05, 2013, 08:26:36 PM
Standard.  That was all they had, and I didn't know there was a digi with bonus tracks (if I had known, I might have held out for that).  Are the bonus tracks any good?  If so, maybe I'll d/l them from Amazon.

One song is Tobi's version of the song Death is Just A Felling originally with Jon Oliva from Angel of Babylon which is cool.  The other song The Cross and You is an awesome stand alone rocking track, definitely worth your time.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Lowdz on December 06, 2013, 02:08:15 PM
Standard.  That was all they had, and I didn't know there was a digi with bonus tracks (if I had known, I might have held out for that).  Are the bonus tracks any good?  If so, maybe I'll d/l them from Amazon.

One song is Tobi's version of the song Death is Just A Felling originally with Jon Oliva from Angel of Babylon which is cool.  The other song The Cross and You is an awesome stand alone rocking track, definitely worth your time.

Tobi quite often has these great bonus tracks. With Edguy they are often better than the album songs. I love Spooks In The Attic, dodgy lyrics aside.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: bosk1 on December 06, 2013, 03:20:08 PM
This album is literally dripping with cheese.  I think I need to change this emoticon code.  :avantasia:

:biggrin:

But extreme cheesiness or not, I have got the chorus of The Watchmaker's Dream stuck in my head and it won't get out!  ...and I think I like it.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: wolfking on December 06, 2013, 03:32:01 PM
Arjen's solo on that song is probably my fav part of the album.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: TAC on December 06, 2013, 06:18:18 PM
This album is literally dripping with cheese.  I think I need to change this emoticon code.  :avantasia:

:biggrin:

But extreme cheesiness or not, I have got the chorus of The Watchmaker's Dream stuck in my head and it won't get out!  ...and I think I like it.

Joe Lynn Turner sounds great, no?


I never knew that "zeroise" was a word.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: bosk1 on December 06, 2013, 06:56:07 PM
Yeah, I never got into any bands he has been in.  But he sounds great. 

Who is the singer that sounds a lot like Russell Allen?  I'm still not able to pick out the different voices (partly because the album is still new, but also because I haven't really listened to any of these singers before, believe it or not)

I just can't get over how awesome this album sounds in general.  It does a lot of things that often turn me off musically.  But for some reason, it works on this album.  Overall, it really just hits me right between the eyes with a big wad of awesome.  That's the best way I can describe it.  :lol
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: wolfking on December 06, 2013, 07:13:48 PM
Who is the singer that sounds a lot like Russell Allen?  I'm still not able to pick out the different voices (partly because the album is still new, but also because I haven't really listened to any of these singers before, believe it or not)

Hmm....I wouldn't say anyone on this album really sound like Russell, but I think you are either thinking Ronnie Atkins or Biff Byford.


From wiki

Joe Lynn Turner (ex-Rainbow, ex-Yngwie Malmsteen) (on tracks 1, 2, 6, 10)
Michael Kiske (ex-Helloween, Place Vendome, Unisonic) (on tracks 4, 6, 9)
Biff Byford (Saxon) (on tracks 3, 6, 10)
Ronnie Atkins (Pretty Maids) (on track 7)
Eric Martin (Mr. Big) (on track 8)
Bob Catley (Magnum) (on track 10)
Cloudy Yang (on track 5)
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: bosk1 on December 06, 2013, 07:16:25 PM
I need to just figure out who voices each character, and then follow along the lyric sheet, I guess. 

EDIT:  Probably Biff.  Of the two you mentioned, only Biff sings on track #10, which I am listening to right now.  One part is 2:28-3:30, especially right at the 3:00 mark.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: wolfking on December 06, 2013, 07:36:03 PM
To be fair as I said before, this album is the weakest when it comes to showing off the other vocalists.  Most of them do a amazing job but they don't really stand out at all for some reason.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 06, 2013, 07:43:00 PM
The concept for Metal Opera never interested me as its the usual, fantasy-ish Rock Opera.

The Wicked Trilogy on the other hand....is an excellent concept.

I probably won't care but how does those albuns sound?
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: wolfking on December 06, 2013, 07:45:58 PM
The concept for Metal Opera never interested me as its the usual, fantasy-ish Rock Opera.

The Wicked Trilogy on the other hand....is an excellent concept.

I probably won't care but how does those albuns sound?

wut?  All albums are pretty amazing.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on December 06, 2013, 07:55:27 PM
Conceptually, I think the The Metal Opera I & II are pretty weak, but the music's really solid. They are more power metal, though, whereas the Wicked Trilogy is more hard rock, modern metal type stuff.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 06, 2013, 07:59:31 PM
Conceptually, I think the The Metal Opera I & II are pretty weak, but the music's really solid. They are more power metal, though, whereas the Wicked Trilogy is more hard rock, modern metal type stuff.

I figured cause of the concept as that's what  Powee Metal is...and the Wicked Trilogy being more variety, others don't enjoy them.  As is all later albums from bands tend to be treated now.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Lowdz on December 07, 2013, 04:10:42 AM
To be fair as I said before, this album is the weakest when it comes to showing off the other vocalists.  Most of them do a amazing job but they don't really stand out at all for some reason.

I found alot of the voices pretty similar this time round. Songs were great though and that saved it.
Concept wise, I never really thought about it as the initial story seemed like a load of bollocks to me. Not followed the story since that first album.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: jingle.boy on December 07, 2013, 05:53:58 AM
Avantasia Survivor is up and running.

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=40063.0
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Evermind on December 07, 2013, 05:56:15 AM
Hell yeah! Couldn't wait for it, thank you for running.

Also, I must say The Mystery of Time is probably my third favourite Avantasia album, right behind The Scarecrow and The Metal Opera pt. 1.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: wolfking on December 08, 2013, 03:11:31 AM
To be fair as I said before, this album is the weakest when it comes to showing off the other vocalists.  Most of them do a amazing job but they don't really stand out at all for some reason.

I found alot of the voices pretty similar this time round. Songs were great though and that saved it.
Concept wise, I never really thought about it as the initial story seemed like a load of bollocks to me. Not followed the story since that first album.

Me too.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 08, 2013, 11:56:31 AM
Am I the only one who likes Wasteland?

Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on December 08, 2013, 12:12:04 PM
I very much doubt it.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 08, 2013, 12:54:32 PM
Its actually my fav. Of the wicked symphony, so its why I asked as I think its way way better than other songs, besides the Scarecrow album.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: TAC on December 08, 2013, 02:22:27 PM
Yeah, I never got into any bands he has been in.  But he sounds great. 

Bosk, surely you recognize Joe Lynn Turner from those early 80's Rainbow albums.  He's the guy that sang Stone Cold.

Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: Lowdz on December 08, 2013, 03:17:06 PM
Yeah, I never got into any bands he has been in.  But he sounds great. 

Bosk, surely you recognize Joe Lynn Turner from those early 80's Rainbow albums.  He's the guy that sang Stone Cold.

And even better, Yngwie's Odyssey album.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: wolfking on December 09, 2013, 03:49:53 AM
Am I the only one who likes Wasteland?

Why would you say that?

Its actually my fav. Of the wicked symphony, so its why I asked as I think its way way better than other songs, besides the Scarecrow album.

Doesn't mean people dislike it at all, but I will say it's been overshadowed by other songs.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: wolfking on December 09, 2013, 03:51:52 AM
Yeah, I never got into any bands he has been in.  But he sounds great. 

Bosk, surely you recognize Joe Lynn Turner from those early 80's Rainbow albums.  He's the guy that sang Stone Cold.

And even better, Yngwie's Odyssey album.

In fairness, for some reason, JLT doesn't really sound like JLT on this album for me.  I don't know why, but he not as disctinct as normal.

Also, bosk, since your new found love for this album, I've gone back to it and been spinning it, and loving it actually.  I thought it was quite weak when it first came out, but time has let this thing grow nicely.  It's really well done, and could be better than both Wicked Symphony and Angel of Babylon IMO.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: jingle.boy on December 09, 2013, 04:13:47 AM
Also, bosk, since your new found love for this album, I've gone back to it and been spinning it, and loving it actually.  I thought it was quite weak when it first came out, but time has let this thing grow nicely.  It's really well done, and could be better than both Wicked Symphony and Angel of Babylon IMO.

Let's not get too crazy here.  AoB I could agree on. 
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v The Mystery of Time (new song online)
Post by: wolfking on December 09, 2013, 04:16:58 AM
Also, bosk, since your new found love for this album, I've gone back to it and been spinning it, and loving it actually.  I thought it was quite weak when it first came out, but time has let this thing grow nicely.  It's really well done, and could be better than both Wicked Symphony and Angel of Babylon IMO.

Let's not get too crazy here.  AoB I could agree on.

I said could.  But the way it's going, there's a chance.  Mystery of Time feels more focused and complete.  WS and AOB always felt very scattered and random to me and lacked direction and consistency a little.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v Mystery of Time (the bossman approves)
Post by: TAC on December 09, 2013, 08:27:42 AM
Wolf you are right about JLT sound a bit different. I agree. I love how he sounds here. He's really pushing it.


This is easily better than AOB and I'm definitely taking it over WS.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v Mystery of Time (the bossman approves)
Post by: bosk1 on December 09, 2013, 09:31:52 AM
Yeah, I never got into any bands he has been in.  But he sounds great. 

Bosk, surely you recognize Joe Lynn Turner from those early 80's Rainbow albums.  He's the guy that sang Stone Cold.

Nope.  Never cared for Rainbow or Yngwie.  Hence my statement that "I never got into any bands he has been in." 
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v Mystery of Time (the bossman approves)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 12, 2014, 10:53:23 PM
So a new Edguy album is in the works.

Quote from: Avantasia
TOBIAS & EDGUY WORKING ON A NEW ALBUM

This news has been a long time coming. Secretly Tobias and Edguy have sneaked into the studio to record the follow up to their chartbreaking 2011 album "Age Of The Joker" (eg. no. 3 in the German album charts). The band has issued the following brief statement from the studio:

“We have focused on what makes this band unique and recorded what we believe is going to be the strongest & heaviest album Edguy has ever recorded. We didn't waste any time with updates or distractions. There is no doubt, that this album is going to be the album Edguy will be measured against in the future. And it makes us proud to say that as a band that has been existing for over 22 years now, fully aware that the best is yet to come.“

The album is in the mixing process right now and will be out in April. Details will be revealed soon.

https://www.edguy.net/
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v Mystery of Time (the bossman approves)
Post by: bl5150 on January 12, 2014, 11:13:39 PM
Awesome - I like both but on the whole prefer Edguy to Avantasia.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v Mystery of Time (the bossman approves)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 12, 2014, 11:14:11 PM
Really? That's unconventional.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v Mystery of Time (the bossman approves)
Post by: bl5150 on January 13, 2014, 02:27:21 AM
If everyone was conventional life would be boring .......and there'd be no need for the word "unconventional" ;D    It's a close run thing  -as I said I do like both -  but as a general rule (all things being equal) I find that any weaknesses in an album are magnified for me when there's different vocalists all over the place. 

There's certainly Avantasia albums I like better than Edguy albums etc...  but overall Edguy would have slightly higher ratings.  I also have much more history/time spent listening to Edguy so there's always the chance that might change over time.  Might stick Wicked Symphony on now.  I do love Ripper's Scales of Justice.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v Mystery of Time (the bossman approves)
Post by: gazinwales on January 13, 2014, 02:46:22 AM
I didn't even bother with the last Edguy album. From what i heard it was firm in my mind that Toby was saving all his best material for Avantasia.
That said I'll give the new one when it comes a chance.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v Mystery of Time (the bossman approves)
Post by: wolfking on January 13, 2014, 03:40:41 AM
So a new Edguy album is in the works.

Quote from: Avantasia
TOBIAS & EDGUY WORKING ON A NEW ALBUM

This news has been a long time coming. Secretly Tobias and Edguy have sneaked into the studio to record the follow up to their chartbreaking 2011 album "Age Of The Joker" (eg. no. 3 in the German album charts). The band has issued the following brief statement from the studio:

“We have focused on what makes this band unique and recorded what we believe is going to be the strongest & heaviest album Edguy has ever recorded. We didn't waste any time with updates or distractions. There is no doubt, that this album is going to be the album Edguy will be measured against in the future. And it makes us proud to say that as a band that has been existing for over 22 years now, fully aware that the best is yet to come.“

The album is in the mixing process right now and will be out in April. Details will be revealed soon.

https://www.edguy.net/

This is one of the biggest statements I've ever read from a band.  I do hope they can find a return to form.  The last two have been average at best.

Not sure if I'd rank Edguy or Avantasia higher, they are both pretty different.  Although when I discovered Mandrake, Theater, Opera, Poetry and Hellfire, it's hard to top that.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v Mystery of Time (the bossman approves)
Post by: wolfking on January 13, 2014, 03:41:07 AM
I didn't even bother with the last Edguy album. From what i heard it was firm in my mind that Toby was saving all his best material for Avantasia.
That said I'll give the new one when it comes a chance.

There was no need to check the last one at all, pretty crap.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v Mystery of Time (the bossman approves)
Post by: Lowdz on January 13, 2014, 12:12:40 PM
I didn't even bother with the last Edguy album. From what i heard it was firm in my mind that Toby was saving all his best material for Avantasia.
That said I'll give the new one when it comes a chance.

There was no need to check the last one at all, pretty crap.

I didn't mind it, but it wasn't a strong album, but better than the one before it that had one decent song on it. Mandrake, Hellfire and Rocket Ride are all class.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v Mystery of Time (the bossman approves)
Post by: gazinwales on January 13, 2014, 12:34:04 PM
Yup agreed 100%.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v Mystery of Time (the bossman approves)
Post by: wolfking on January 13, 2014, 03:07:30 PM
I actually prefer Tinnitus over Joker.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v Mystery of Time (the bossman approves)
Post by: jingle.boy on January 28, 2014, 05:49:52 AM
Quote
NEW EDGUY ALBUM "SPACE POLICE" OUT ON APRIL 18TH

On April 18th Edguy will release their tenth studio album "SPACE POLICE - Defenders Of The Crown". Last weekend some journalists had the chance to listen to the album for the first time and the press reaction was amazing. There are several good reasons to believe that this album is going to be one of the strongest and heaviest Edguy albums of all time. More details are going to be revealed soon.

Cool.  Now, everyone get their ass over to Polls/Survivor, and vote in the Avantasia survivor.  I know there are more than 5 fans here.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v Mystery of Time (the bossman approves)
Post by: wolfking on January 28, 2014, 02:13:43 PM
Again with the 'strongest Edguy album' claims.  They are talking this up and now I'm expecting something pretty special.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on January 28, 2014, 02:17:22 PM
There may in fact be "several good reasons" but the album title ain't one of them! Space Police? Really? :lol
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on February 03, 2014, 03:32:00 AM
We recorded a pure epic heavy EDGUY album, our record label demanded a heavy metal cover artwork, so who are we to not obey?! It's got 1. Monster 2. Daredevil Action Hero 3. Fantasy Space Scape 4. Is Hand Painted 5. Fire (coming out of the…) 6. …Weapon

"Now, not giving a shit and getting away with it: THAT is metal!"

Regarding the musical direction of "Space Police - Defenders Of The Crown", EDGUY previously said: "We have focused on what makes this band unique and recorded what we believe is going to be the strongest and heaviest album EDGUY has ever recorded.

"We didn't waste any time with updates or distractions.

"There is no doubt that this album is going to be the album EDGUY will be measured against in the future. And it makes us proud to say that as a band that has been existing for over 22 years now, fully aware that the best is yet to come."


(https://assets.blabbermouth.net.s3.amazonaws.com/media/edguyspacepolicecd.jpg)

Hmm....I have a bit of a feeling that this could actually be a return to form for Edguy.  Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: kirksnosehair on February 03, 2014, 12:43:51 PM
For someone with 22 years in the business that's a pretty bold dumb statement to be making about your next release. 
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 03, 2014, 01:48:19 PM
Doesn't every band ever say that their new album is their best?
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on February 03, 2014, 02:00:34 PM
Doesn't every band ever say that their new album is their best?

Yeah, definitely not the first time a musician has said that.  Tobi has always been a bit over the top.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: gazinwales on February 03, 2014, 10:07:25 PM
But of course it's going to the the best Edguy album ever.
Tobi is hardly going to say say is average or not as good as the last one.
I take all this stuff as standard promo hype.

It has to be better than the previous two though, doesn't it  :xbones?
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on February 03, 2014, 10:49:12 PM
It has to be better than the previous two though, doesn't it  :xbones?

If it isn't, this band is seriously in trouble.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: NotePad on February 10, 2014, 12:55:57 AM
New to Edguy. I think Mandrake is a great Classic power metal style album. Feels very much like Helloween. Tobi sounds like Kiske at times.

Hellfire Club is a cool album. It's true that after this, they got less power metal-ish. But Rocket Ride is still really good. But i think with Age of Joker, they went a little too far in that Rock/pop direction; still good though, and feels like Edguy and has the big chorus's, but, you know...... This Sammet guy must be a big Bon Jovi fan. I guarantee. I bet if he were to reveal what new music he's been listening too the last few years, there would be a big lack of Metal. I hear no Helloween or Maiden influence anymore.

Has any other details about this new one, Space whatever, come out yet? What do you expect from it musically?

And i hope in the future Tobi Sammet focuses mainly on Edguy. Avantasia has no interest in me. I really like all Edguy, but i feel that judging by fans opinions, he may have missed a chance here. Hellfire Club is very popular, but then he went on to Avantasia shit, then went back to Edguy with a whole new style of music. I have a feeling Edguy could have been a bigger band then they are ;(
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: jingle.boy on February 10, 2014, 07:37:02 AM
I'm completely 100% the opposite - I would rather have him focus totally with Sascha and Avantasia. I don't know Edguy much, but most people around here say THAT has totally gone to shit
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Post by: Lowdz on February 10, 2014, 12:32:42 PM
I'm completely 100% the opposite - I would rather have him focus totally with Sascha and Avantasia. I don't know Edguy much, but most people around here say THAT has totally gone to shit

I think you'd like Hellfire Club and Rocket Ride Chad. Last couple have not been up to much compared to those.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: jingle.boy on February 10, 2014, 12:36:33 PM
I'm completely 100% the opposite - I would rather have him focus totally with Sascha and Avantasia. I don't know Edguy much, but most people around here say THAT has totally gone to shit

I think you'd like Hellfire Club and Rocket Ride Chad. Last couple have not been up to much compared to those.

Oh yeah, I did give Hellfire Club a run when I got them (from Kade I think) in my first roulette.  Good album, just didn't buy it for some reason.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: NotePad on February 10, 2014, 12:45:20 PM
I really think edguy is great. I really enjoy age of joker, people are too hard on them. I'm excited about the new one, I hope tho that it has more "classic" edguy stuff in it. Iv yet to hear the album TS everyone hates so much, what's so bad about it?

I realize most of the negativity about their new stuff is coming from  metal heads. I'd like too see a return to full power metal on the new one but can't find any info on it. Btw aren't edguys album sales at their best right now? I heard that.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: jingle.boy on February 15, 2014, 04:56:37 AM
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On April 18th Edguy will release their tenth studio album "SPACE POLICE - DEFENDERS OF THE CROWN", followed by a world tour to kick off in Hamburg on September 19th. A few journalists already had the chance to give the album a listen and confirmed it's most probably the heaviest album Edguy have ever recorded ("One thing is for certain: this is definitely one of the best, if not THE best album of them ever, ever, ever" - Rock It Magazine, #80).

The track list of the album reads as follows:

1. SABRE & TORCH
2. SPACE POLICE
3. DEFENDERS OF THE CROWN
4. LOVE TYGER
5. THE REALMS OF BABA YAGA
6. ROCK ME AMADEUS
7. DO ME LIKE A CAVEMAN
8. SHADOW EATERS
9. ALONE IN MYSELF
10. THE ETERNAL WAYFARER

The album is also going to be available as a 2CD edition with 7 bonus tracks. More details about tourdates to be revealed during the next weeks at www.edguy.net

Not really sure what to think of those.  Rock Me Amadeus better not be a cover of Falco!  :lolpalm:
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Post by: Evermind on February 15, 2014, 07:06:01 AM
These track names made me laugh so hard.  :lol :lol :lol

Wow, Tobi, you never disappoint.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Lowdz on February 15, 2014, 07:40:38 AM
It is indeed a cover of that song Chad. I think they'll do it justice  :biggrin: :biggrin: Could be good.
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Post by: Bolsters on February 15, 2014, 07:43:11 AM
I'd never heard that Rock Me Amadeus song before.

I'm now wishing I'd kept it that way.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on February 15, 2014, 10:24:38 AM
It is indeed a cover of that song Chad. I think they'll do it justice  :biggrin: :biggrin: Could be good.

There is no way.
Why do bands do this?
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on February 16, 2014, 02:49:24 AM
It is indeed a cover of that song Chad. I think they'll do it justice  :biggrin: :biggrin: Could be good.

How do you know?
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: NotePad on February 16, 2014, 01:13:26 PM
If Rock Me Amadeous is the song I'm thinking of, then doing a cover is a very Edguy thing to do. I predict it will fit right in with songs from Rocket Ride and AoJ.

Does anyone else love the song Rocket Ride? Iv been listening to it non-stop. Personally, I really love what Edguy has been doing ever since Rocket Ride. I love the earlier more power metal-ish stuff like Mandrake, Iv said it many times but it's a straight-up homage to Helloween. The newer stuff mostly isn't as fast or power metal-ish, and Tobi doesn't sing as high (really wish he would), but it still sounds very much like Edguy. Except maybe Pandora's Box- a great song, but definitely has a Bon Jovi sound to it.

I can't wait for Space Police! I'm so so curious what it'll be like. More like Rocket Ride? Age of Joker? Or maybe it'll sound more like Mandrake this time. Does ANYONE have ANY information on it other then the 2 Quotes fom Tobias Sammet?!?!?
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on February 16, 2014, 07:21:27 PM
I always had a soft spot for Rocket Ride.  I like the variety of the album yet it never seems all over the place.  I know people don't dig it that much, but I really like it.  Actually, it's probably the album I most frequently visit from Edguy.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: gazinwales on February 16, 2014, 10:41:31 PM
Falco's original Rock Me Armadeus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVikZ8Oe_XA
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: bl5150 on February 17, 2014, 12:00:39 AM
Bloody hell  ;D    it'll be interesting to see what he's done with that steaming pile.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: NotePad on February 17, 2014, 01:14:17 AM
Yes, that song. It's actually not too surprising that they would do a cover of that particular song. I wouldn't be surprised if iti becomes the definitive version of the song for me. But i guess that's pretty hard to do with a song like that.

Fuck I'v been listening to Edguy a lot lately. I'm really looking forward to their new CD. I'm very curious to see what they've come up with this time. I think they're probably the most interesting out of all these quote-unquote European Power Metal bands. They still sound like power metal to me, they're are elements even on the last album, of course much less then they used to be. But even if they're no longer consider power metal, they are still a metal band. When I listen to their new stuff, it honestly sounds like metal, not hard rock.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: gazinwales on February 17, 2014, 03:20:31 AM
So you finally got bored of Helloween?
Not even one Helloween comment  ??? shocked  ???
So if you like Edguy, then Avantasia is your next move  :metal
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on February 17, 2014, 04:07:24 AM
Bloody hell  ;D    it'll be interesting to see what he's done with that steaming pile.

You never heard that song before?
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: bl5150 on February 17, 2014, 06:09:46 AM
Bloody hell  ;D    it'll be interesting to see what he's done with that steaming pile.

You never heard that song before?

Nope - or at least didn't find it memorable enough that I remember it.   I see it peaked at No. 15 in Australia back when I was 11yo ............even back then I listened to not much but rock (or pop with a decent dose of guitar)  and not a great deal in the way of radio.  Even music video - the only non-rock MTv video I remember watching was by a very talented singer called Sabrina  :neverusethis:

 
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Lowdz on February 17, 2014, 06:10:40 AM
It is indeed a cover of that song Chad. I think they'll do it justice  :biggrin: :biggrin: Could be good.

How do you know?

Tobi's Facebook feed I think. Or Melodicrock.com. Can't remember though I think it was Facebook.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: NotePad on February 17, 2014, 02:02:44 PM
Does Tobias write all the Avantasia music and lyrics himself? I know with Edguy he writes pretty much everything himself, but only does the vocals on the albums and during live performances. Does he play guitar or bass on the Avantasia recordings and live shows?

And no, I'm not bored of Helloween. To me, Edguy and Helloween are by far the best European power metal bands, they stand out from all those generic sounding bands like Stratovarious and Dragonforce, with their cliche fantasy bullshit. And I guess Avantasia has a fantasy aspect to it, but I read where Tobi was explaining why it's not like all those other bands. Plus I have yet to actually listen to Avantasia.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on February 17, 2014, 02:42:39 PM
Does Tobias write all the Avantasia music and lyrics himself? I know with Edguy he writes pretty much everything himself, but only does the vocals on the albums and during live performances. Does he play guitar or bass on the Avantasia recordings and live shows?

He writes everything for Avantastia and most of Edguy. Jens the guitarist writes a couple of songs with him mainly on the earlier albums.  Van Glory Opera has songs credited to Edguy as a band though, so I'm not sure how much involvement they did have on that album.  Although saying that, it was only Tobi and the two guitarists as the official members at the time so I guess that could be true.
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Post by: Evermind on February 17, 2014, 08:46:52 PM
I think the only Avantasia song Tobi didn't write is Symphony of Life from AoB, and it's pretty much hated on their forum anyway.
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Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 17, 2014, 08:53:43 PM
I never understood that, I love that song.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Evermind on February 17, 2014, 09:13:49 PM
I don't mind it too. Cloudy Yang (I believe it's her) does great job on chorus and overall this song is like a breath of fresh air on the album. I don't know how this song is treated here at DTF, but I guess we'll see either now or in AoB survivor somewhat week later.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: NotePad on February 18, 2014, 12:59:53 AM
I noticed Tobi used to play the bass on their earlier albums, did he also play it live?

I remember hearing in the past a bit of criticism about Tobi's high vocals on early Edguy, but more in a joking manner rather than harsh criticism. I also read an interview where Tobi said what he didn't like about listening to earlier albums like Mandrake was because he hated hearing his 'vibrato'. I assume the 'vibrato' must be what he does, or did, when he would sing high like that, kind of like he was vibrating his voice (i know nothing about the technicalities of singing ;p ). Personally, I really enjoy his singing when I listen to something like Mandrake. The way he hit the high notes has a very 'epic' quality to it, kind of operatic sounding, like Kiske+opera ;p I'm very impressed with his singing when I hear that album. I know Kiske was a huge influence on him, and it can be heard very much on early Edguy. I don't remember Kiske doing the vibrato thing much though. I could be wrong.

Anyone else feel his singing on Mandrake was amazing?
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Post by: bl5150 on February 18, 2014, 01:03:53 AM
I think he sings great on Mandrake......................Kiske has been known to overdo it on the vibrato too.  Possibly the only thing that ever annoys me a bit with either of those guys.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: NotePad on February 18, 2014, 01:16:46 AM
But Tobi doesn't do it anymore. At least not on recent Edguy. Too bad. I wonder if this has to do with him be worried about future live performances, not stretching his voice on studio albums. The thing is, they don't play all their songs live. Like I heard earlier, they have never played Golden Dawn live. That's one of their best songs IMHO, and i think many would agree.

But I remember watching a video of Edguys recent Wacken show and being very impressed by his singing.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on February 18, 2014, 03:15:01 AM
Tobi came a long way with his vocals in the early days.  You guys should check the original recording of Savage Poetry, his vocals are laughable.

Also, didn't know Tobi didn't write Symphony of Life.  IMO, it's by far the worst Avantasia song.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Lowdz on February 18, 2014, 04:14:23 AM
I think he sings great on Mandrake......................Kiske has been known to overdo it on the vibrato too.  Possibly the only thing that ever annoys me a bit with either of those guys.

Vain Glory was the worst offender. i'd like it more without the wobbly vocals   :biggrin:
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on February 18, 2014, 04:29:58 AM
Yeah, after Opera he really knuckled down his vocals and became an incredible singer.

I'm also really intrigued to hear this new material too.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: NotePad on February 18, 2014, 09:54:41 PM
I love the newer edguy, and think he's still a talented singer, but sometimes I'm disappointed that he doesn't show his full range very often anymore. His vocals are incredibly on Mandrake. Back then and up until Hellfire Club he was very very often compared to Kiske and Dickinson. Maybe he doesn't want to always be compared to them anymore, so he's trying to just do his own thing. I can understand that. There are times where he does sound like those guys and others, but i think that in most of those cases that was what he was going for. But he has a very unique voice, very different from most others in the genre.

My favorite 'power metal' (and just metal) bands are Edguy, Helloween, Masterplan...yea, those are the ones i listen to most. And a huge factor in what makes them so great and have such unique sounds is the fact that they all have vocalists with very unique voices. They're not the typical high-pitched singers that is most common with bands like these.
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Post by: gazinwales on February 19, 2014, 01:49:58 AM
You should check out Sabaton, they have a really good and unique sounding singer.
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Post by: wolfking on February 20, 2014, 04:24:54 AM
2Cd edition;

01. Sabre & Torch
02. Space Police
03. Defenders Of The Crown
04. Love Tyger
05. The Realms Of Baba Yaga
06. Rock Me Amadeus
07. Do Me Like A Caveman
08. Shadow Eaters
09. Alone In Myself
10. The Eternal Wayfarer

Bonus disc track listing:

01. England
02. Aychim In Hysteria
03. Space Police (progressive version)
04. Space Police (instrumental version)
05. Love Tyger (instrumental version)
06. Defenders Of The Crown (instrumental version)
07. Do Me Like A Caveman (instrumental version)
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: bl5150 on February 20, 2014, 04:28:12 AM
I was hoping for a Do Me Like A Caveman bonus video  ;D
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on February 20, 2014, 04:32:39 AM
I was hoping for a Do Me Like A Caveman bonus video  ;D

I'm sure Tobi has plenty of those self made on his private PC.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: NotePad on February 22, 2014, 12:52:16 AM
Tobi is an obvious player. He must get so much pussy, for starters, he's a rock star!

Anyways i was reading an interview with him where he was talking about how difficult the vocals on the earlier albums were. I don't think he's gonna go back to singing those high notes anymore, which sucks, because he has a voice that I actually really like the sound of when he hits those notes. As opposed to other singer's like kiske, who i just find bland no matter what.

Do other singers have this much trouble hitting high notes like that, like Golden Dawn (the best fucking song ever)? He made it sound like it was really really hard, which makes me wonder how difficult it must be for someone like Dickinson or Halford, or Kiske. I'd love to see him play some of those songs live, and see if he can do it. Like Golden Dawn. I mean, it seems like Edguy never play those older songs that require more out of his voice.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on February 22, 2014, 02:59:29 AM
Tobi could never sing Golden Dawn live. 
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: NotePad on February 22, 2014, 01:41:30 PM
So in other words, Tobias Sammet is a very technical singer and not good live? From all the live Edguy footage Iv watched, they never play songs that would require reaching higher notes. And this disappoints me. I like comparing him to Kiske and Dickinson becuase it's well known those are his main influences as a singer. Those guys could reach the high notes during live shows, and still can. Taking that into consideration, it doesn't say much about Tobi. I fucking love Mandrake. I really really wish they played some of the Mandrake songs live. I'm sure he could do it if he put the effort into it.

Hell, look at Andi Deris. These days he has a lot of trouble singing Kiske songs, but they still play them and he gives them a shot. Sure, sometimes they come of terribly; Deris often sounds like he's going into a falsetto to get through stuff like Eagle Fly Free and March of Time. But he tries. I think Tobi is more consistent and has a lot more range than Deris. I'm sure he can do it. At the very least, he should do it for the sake of the fans.

More and more I'm starting to see why people regard Michael Kiske so highly.
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Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 22, 2014, 01:45:13 PM
...So it's good to play songs that you sound terrible doing? I'd just as soon have Tobi only sing songs he's actually capable of singing.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: NotePad on February 23, 2014, 12:12:13 AM
But he is capable of singing them.
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Post by: Evermind on February 23, 2014, 12:55:46 AM
Well, about Deris and old-Helloween stuff, I wish they stop trying to perform especially hard old songs. I looked March on Time on youtube (Wacken performance) and one of comments under the vid got it right, saying "Andi almost exploded singing this". It was quite awful and I very much wanted to turn it off.
So, I hope Tobi plays only the songs he can sing properly. If he feels he's able to do Golden Dawn, sure, go for it, but if he doesn't, I'm fine with it too.
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Post by: wolfking on February 23, 2014, 03:03:59 AM
So in other words, Tobias Sammet is a very technical singer and not good live?

Umm.......no, I never said that.  I said he couldn't sing Golden Dawn live.  I didn't say anything about any other songs.  Golden Dawn is probably the hardest Edguy song vocally, and even he did have a go at pulling it off, I just don't think he could get there.  Tobi has lost a little range as he has gotten older, but no one can fault someone for that, it's just what happens. 

I saw Edguy on the Hellfire Club tour and it is still one of the greatest live vocal performances I've ever seen, Tobi did not miss a beat, and from what I could tell was hitting every single note of every song.  He doesn't sing like that anymore, but as I said that's just age and wear and tear. 
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: NotePad on February 24, 2014, 12:30:07 AM
I didn't mean thats what you said, it was just one possible opinion i put out there.

And yea, Helloween needs to stop playing those old songs like March of Time live. Some of them are just downright horrendous. They play an awful lot of kiske and keepers stuff live still. I want to see them play more new stuff.

And i just really love Golden Dawn and am disappointed a song as great as that has never been played live.
Really looking forward to the new album. I'm so curious about it, they're recent stuff has really been splitting the fans. Part of me feels that it may be more like Hellfire Club this time. But at the same time, I think it will be more in the vein of AoJ or RR because those albums have a lot of variety, and Edguy clearly don't want to stick to one 'sound' anymore.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: gazinwales on February 24, 2014, 02:38:47 AM
Helloween will always play the Keepers stuff, it classic and their fan base demands it.
Same as any band you care to mention, they play songs like Smoke on The Water, Number of The Beast, Pull Me Under and the can name many more.
The bands admit they get sick of playing them, but it's what the majority of fans pay to hear in concert, the classics, the standards etc.

Why do you care so much if a song hasn't been played live?
It's no big deal, move one and enjoy something else  :metal
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Post by: Nick on February 24, 2014, 10:07:04 AM
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Post by: NotePad on February 25, 2014, 05:50:48 AM
This discussion started to make me wonder about Kiske at present and Unisonic and all that. Watching video's of recent Unisonic performances of stuff like I want Out and March of Time, and man Kiske can still hit all the notes he used to. The man is quite talented I must say. Sounds so natural for him and just amazing compared to recent (and even older) Deris performances of those same songs.
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Post by: TAC on February 25, 2014, 02:04:58 PM
One thing Kiske has going for him is that there are not tons of miles on his voice.
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Post by: wolfking on February 25, 2014, 03:36:22 PM
One thing Kiske has going for him is that there are not tons of miles on his voice.

Yeah, just what I was going to post.  Since leaving Helloween he hadn't done any live performances until Unisonic, so yeah he's been lucky to preverse his voice.  Deris is different but he's been gruelling it out since PC69, so well over 20 years, with little break.
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Post by: Evermind on February 25, 2014, 08:46:11 PM
Technically, he was on few tours with Avantasia, but of course singing a few songs every evening can't be compared with performing full two-hours setlist.
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Post by: NotePad on February 26, 2014, 12:59:13 PM
I compare Deris and Kiske, but I realize theyre voices are completely different in nature. Totally different. Look at Helloween's recent Wacken performance, Deris was very very bad. They played almost half Kiske songs at that show. There are so many newer song I would love to see them play, where the performance would likely be much better. I'd love to see them play "The Saints", "Salvation", "The Tune", that's just for starters ;) Meet me in the Helloween thread!

But yes, Edguy! Hope the new one is like Hellfire Club, but I also love Rocket ride, and Mandrake. So I guess I really like all Edguy, Age of Joker was amazing too! Tobias Sammet knows what great music is. I'd like to see the rest of Edguy get more credit though... The guitar work on Hellfire Club was amazing, but those guys aren't talked about by anyone.
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Post by: wolfking on February 27, 2014, 03:49:09 AM
Technically, he was on few tours with Avantasia, but of course singing a few songs every evening can't be compared with performing full two-hours setlist.

I'm pretty sure that was after Unisonic wasn't it?
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Post by: Evermind on February 27, 2014, 04:07:24 AM
You're right, I somehow thought Kiske was on Scarecrow tour. :lol

How often Unisonic toured before Kai joined them in 2011?
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Post by: wolfking on February 27, 2014, 04:08:12 AM
Just a couple of shows I think.
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Post by: TAC on February 27, 2014, 05:24:49 AM
Just a couple of shows I think.
Yup, very few. A couple of small club shows in their infancy. If I recall from the videos posted on the Kiske page, he was even reading lyrics from a sheet of paper.
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Post by: wolfking on February 27, 2014, 05:32:17 AM
Yeah, and the band were pretty rough.  Mainly because of the lack of playing together.
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Post by: NotePad on February 27, 2014, 11:37:43 PM
Funny how Kiske is so highly thought of. I know how incredibly influential the Keepers albums were ( i just finally listened to Theater of Salvation, and yeah, THAT album has a huge Keepers influence, it's crazy, way more then Mandrake. Tobias is very open about the influence of Edguy ). But it's crazy since those are only 2 albums, you know? and the next two are albums people fucking hate! Still to this day Kiske is worshipped. And he's still an amazing singer.

My copy of Theater of Salvation doesn't sound so great. There are a few albums i'v been listening to lately that i notice have a production sound I think sounds very thin. These are: Edguy's Theater of Salvation, and Helloween's Gambling With The Devil. Anyone else find this to be the case?
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Post by: Evermind on March 14, 2014, 11:20:53 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5TfvbePk_w

Lyric video for Sabre&Torch.
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Post by: Lowdz on March 14, 2014, 02:09:33 PM
I like it.
The woh ohhs are very Maiden. And Toby isn't coasting on the vocal.
A stock metal riff with  a little twist at the end. Yeah, good start.
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Post by: gazinwales on March 14, 2014, 03:14:08 PM
I like the riffs, the lyrics are very good, but the rest is very meh...
Toby is singing out of his range and the terrible chorus and the woh ohhs kill it for me.

After all the hype I was expecting something a little better  :metal
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Post by: TAC on March 14, 2014, 03:20:14 PM
Gaz, your comments made me listen, and....I like it!

And Toby isn't coasting on the vocal.
Yeah, he's definitely pushing it. Nice!
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Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on March 14, 2014, 03:21:43 PM
I like the song. Riff sounds like Avantasia, but that's not a bad thing. Could be a good album.
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Post by: wolfking on March 14, 2014, 04:43:41 PM
Wow, this is a good return to form from Tobi.  I really like this, and I'm with Paul, the woah's are awesome and very Maiden.

Oh, and the riff.....Toy Master anyone?
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Post by: bl5150 on March 14, 2014, 06:20:42 PM
The riff is rather generic - I actually prefer the riff they used moving into the guitar solo - but I do like the song.   It's not what I was expecting from Edguy at all , but I think it sounds promising.   

I must say I find that lyric videos detract from the song when most of the lyrics make no sense (and I'm not just talking Edguy) ............perhaps that's just me.     I enjoy the wacky aspect of Edguy but I'd rather not be reading it while listening to the song.

Anyway - count me interested/cautiously impressed.
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Post by: Bolsters on March 14, 2014, 07:19:30 PM
Not bad. I'm a little more interested than I was before.
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Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on March 15, 2014, 10:38:22 PM
Been listening to song a lot, I really like it. I'm probably going to get this album now, and I had no interest in it before.


edit: to the song. I can't grammar anymore.
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Post by: Bolsters on March 15, 2014, 10:50:55 PM
I been listening to song aswell.
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Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on March 15, 2014, 10:52:55 PM
olol
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: NotePad on March 16, 2014, 02:03:23 AM
After my first listen just now, I can say it doesn't come off to me as a really amazing song, that's for sure. But not bad. It's kinda bland. Kinda 'back to the roots', but at the same time it's not... It's not gonna be a back to the roots album, like some have said. But I don't really care though, as long as its really good!
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Post by: wolfking on March 16, 2014, 05:09:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5TfvbePk_w

Lyric video for Sabre&Torch.

Can't stop listening to this one, it's one of the best things they have done IMO.
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Post by: wolfking on March 28, 2014, 04:15:16 PM
Title track snippet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogaFcaqFjLY

Sounding good.
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Post by: NotePad on April 02, 2014, 03:25:45 AM
I hate how everyone says they only write hard rock these days. This labeling stuff is really getting out of hand. Why can't stuff just be Metal? Or even just Rock? These days it seems there is a very thin line separating Metal and Rock. I like what Tobi once said about being a fan and growing up listening to Maiden and AC/DC. It's just hard music. If you want, sure some of Edguys stuff could be called Rock, but mostly that stuff is very hard rock. And on those same albums there will be songs that are in the power metal vein, and then there will be mid-tempo songs etc. It just is. It's just metal. I'm surprised people don't get like this with someone like Maiden, when some of their newer stuff is very heavy, what about Journeyman? It's acoustic, people should start saying Iron Maiden does folk now! See what I'm getting at?????.......
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Post by: wolfking on April 10, 2014, 05:25:33 PM
Love Tyger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No1zAkGE5HE

Fuckin cool video.  Pretty good 80's inspired tune too.
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Post by: Lowdz on April 11, 2014, 01:36:36 AM
Love Tyger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No1zAkGE5HE

Fuckin cool video.  Pretty good 80's inspired tune too.

That chorus is stuck in my head now  :biggrin:
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Post by: wolfking on April 11, 2014, 06:42:07 AM
It's really cool, I like it.
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Post by: NotePad on April 15, 2014, 03:42:34 AM
Apparently this new album has elements that are more like earlier Edguy like Mandrake. Should be interesting.
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Post by: wolfking on April 15, 2014, 05:09:50 AM
Apparently this new album has elements that are more like earlier Edguy like Mandrake. Should be interesting.

I think what we have heard so far, it definitely has the potential to at least be better than the last two.
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Post by: bl5150 on April 18, 2014, 07:46:41 PM
Full album streaming

https://www.planetrock.com/news/rock-news/exclusive-stream-the-new-edguy-album/
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Post by: Lowdz on April 19, 2014, 03:05:14 AM
One listen in and its decent. Better than the last 2 already. I'm not hearing any Mandrake tbh. Avantasia, certainly. Maybe something of a Rocket Ride vibe? Glad its on preorder anyway.
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Post by: wolfking on April 19, 2014, 06:25:24 AM
Looking forward to it.
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Post by: Evermind on April 19, 2014, 06:26:13 AM
Getting 403 Forbidden for this link.  :lol
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Post by: NotePad on April 21, 2014, 11:59:19 PM
I have not heard the album yet, other then a couple samples. I really don't think it will be Mandrake Pt. 2 (definitely not ToS Pt. 2), and probably not Hellfire Club Pt. 2. I predict i will likely describe it as a mix of AoJ, Rocket Ride, and some of the harder parts of Hellfire Club. Maybe even a couple songs that have elements of the earlier Euro Power Metal style of their earlier stuff, but with the production and crisp guitar sounds of recent stuff.

BTW i have finally heard Tinnitus Sanctus, and i can totally see why people are disappointed by it. There are a couple songs that are really good, but overall very unexciting IMO. In theory, it should be an album i love, but it just is not.

On that note, from the samples of Space Police i have heard, i am somewhat reminded of Tinnitus Sanctus' darker sound. Anyone else?
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Post by: Lowdz on April 22, 2014, 11:13:53 AM
Played it throough a few times now and its very good. I don't hear any Mandrake in it. More Rocket Ride and Avantasia really. Tobi's humour is there (I'll let you decide if that's good thing!). Strong melodies, sounds good production-wise. Yeah, I like it.
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Post by: wolfking on April 22, 2014, 03:18:01 PM
That's cool shit Paul.
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Post by: Lowdz on May 04, 2014, 12:55:10 PM
I'm really enjoying this album.
At the end of Space Police (the song) there's a really dodgy lazer beam-type effect that I thought was just cheesy for the humour factor. Then I was playing a Magnum compo the other day and at the end of Kingdom Of Madness there is exactly the same sound, to the same beat. Nuggetz.
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Post by: wolfking on May 04, 2014, 04:10:16 PM
My copy is still on back order.  :\

And yeah, it's cool how much of a Magnum fan Tobi is.
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Post by: bl5150 on May 05, 2014, 08:40:33 PM
Can't say I'm a huge fan of the new album - I agree that there's a definite Avantasia vibe (with Edguy humour) through a fair bit of it and I've always preferred Edguy for the most part.   England is pretty damn funny and the Hysteria ripoff is good - aside from the comedy value there I like maybe half the songs on the rest without considering any to be "classic".

Favourite tracks: Space Police, Sabre and Torch, Do Me Like A Caveman, Love Tyger.

It'll sit mid range for me - well below Mandrake and Rocket Ride on my ratings.
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Post by: NotePad on May 06, 2014, 02:33:02 AM
I still haven't heard it. But I'm expecting something similar to their lack 2 or 3 albums, which is good to me! But i HAVE heard Tobi compare it to Rocket Ride and MANDRAKE. Now, the last few albums have had a more, hmmmm, shall i say, 'obvious' sound? Meaning the melodies and structures are more easy to digest for the masses, there's more 'pop' elements. Like Superheroes, 2 out of 7, Rocket Ride etc. as opposed to How Many Miles, Vain Glory Opera, Golden Dawn etc..

Anyone know what I mean? Their last few albums have had less of that 'euro' power metal sound and style of their earlier stuff. So I'm curious, are there any songs on the new album that can be compared to the earlier stuff in that way? I realize it probably has the newer Edguy production sound and mix, with the guitars and the way Tobi has been sounding recently. But are any of the songs comparable to the earlier stuff in terms of structure? Is there still that Helloween sound to their music?

BTW, I think their best CDs are Rocket Ride, AoJ, and Hellfire Club. What was so great about Hellfire Club was that, at least to my ears, a classic full of classic sounding power metal. It had that Helloween influence, but also had a Maiden influence, even some Priest. But they have not continued in that direction, it seems.
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Post by: Lowdz on May 06, 2014, 11:41:27 AM
I still haven't heard it. But I'm expecting something similar to their lack 2 or 3 albums, which is good to me! But i HAVE heard Tobi compare it to Rocket Ride and MANDRAKE. Now, the last few albums have had a more, hmmmm, shall i say, 'obvious' sound? Meaning the melodies and structures are more easy to digest for the masses, there's more 'pop' elements. Like Superheroes, 2 out of 7, Rocket Ride etc. as opposed to How Many Miles, Vain Glory Opera, Golden Dawn etc..

Anyone know what I mean? Their last few albums have had less of that 'euro' power metal sound and style of their earlier stuff. So I'm curious, are there any songs on the new album that can be compared to the earlier stuff in that way? I realize it probably has the newer Edguy production sound and mix, with the guitars and the way Tobi has been sounding recently. But are any of the songs comparable to the earlier stuff in terms of structure? Is there still that Helloween sound to their music?

BTW, I think their best CDs are Rocket Ride, AoJ, and Hellfire Club. What was so great about Hellfire Club was that, at least to my ears, a classic full of classic sounding power metal. It had that Helloween influence, but also had a Maiden influence, even some Priest. But they have not continued in that direction, it seems.

I'm really not hearing much Mandrake tbh. Rocket Ride and Avantasia mainly. Not much Helloween either. Very good album though and I haven't been that impressed with the last 2.
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Post by: wolfking on May 20, 2014, 06:27:02 AM
Finally got my copy of this.  Listened to it just once and it's quite good.

Definitely no return to Mandrake or even Hellfire Club, as Paul said, some Rocket Ride and pretty much a continuation of the last two, but much better.

The opening 4 songs are stellar and I particulary like Do Me Like a Caveman.  The Amadeus cover is fantastic too.
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Post by: NotePad on May 21, 2014, 01:52:46 AM
I'v also finally heard it and I really like it. It's a really cool album. I love the title track, it's kickass with a great chorus and that cheesy 'space-y' sound is also really cool! This is definitely a return to a more power metal-ish style. But I'm sure many will still not like that because it doesn't have that same style of their earlier albums, you know when they had the Keeper/Maiden sound to them. But the Space Police album is definitely Edguy getting back to their power metal roots. And Love Tyger is soo good! and I love that Def Leppard tribute bonus track. I also like that because i can hear a big Def Leppard influence on Edguy the past few years.

I do wish the Amadeus cover song wasn't on the album. It's good, but I'd rather something else. It should have been a bonus track, definitely. 

Rocket Ride is where Edguy finally found their sound IMO. They'll never make another album that sounds like Vain Glory Opera, and that's fine with me ;). But they're still making the best power metal out there!

BTW, who else thinks that the best early Edguy album is The Savage Poetry? (by early, i mean before Mandrake). Anyone else hear a huge Maiden influence on TSP?
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Post by: wolfking on May 21, 2014, 05:31:14 AM
New album is definitely very good, although for some reason I feel like there should be a couple more songs.  It feels a bit short. 

Sabre and Torch is definitely the highlight for me.  The title track is excellent, although to me, it feels like a reworked version of the Age of the Joker bonus track, God Fallen Silent.  The final track seems to much like Avantasia to be on here.  Not one of their best epics but decent enough. 

The bonus cd IMO is pretty shit.  England is entertaining enough and Tobi does a great Dickinson impression, but there's no reason to keep coming back to this song.  The same can be said about the Leppard song.  The achieved what they were going for but again, no lasting power.  The Space Police prog version is only different by Tobi doing a fucked up voice in the second verse, which I can't figure out what it's suppose to be.  I was never a fan of instrumental tracks either.


I do wish the Amadeus cover song wasn't on the album. It's good, but I'd rather something else. It should have been a bonus track, definitely. 

BTW, who else thinks that the best early Edguy album is The Savage Poetry? (by early, i mean before Mandrake). Anyone else hear a huge Maiden influence on TSP?

I actually think Rock Me Amadeus fits really nicely in here and they did a great cover.

The Savage Poetry is one of their best albums.  (The 2000 version anyway)
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Post by: wolfking on May 22, 2014, 06:32:22 AM
After a few more listens, this is actually really growing on me, a lot.

On first listen I though Baba Yaga was one of the weakest, now I think it's one of the strongest.
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Post by: Lowdz on May 22, 2014, 02:57:41 PM
After a few more listens, this is actually really growing on me, a lot.

On first listen I though Baba Yaga was one of the weakest, now I think it's one of the strongest.

I love Baba Yaga!
I thought Caveman was a bit of filler at first but love it now. There's parts of Shadow Eaters I don't love, but certainly not a skipper. A great Edguy album. I haven't taken this album out of the car cd changer since I got it and that says it all. Nothing else this year has stayed in this long.
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Post by: wolfking on May 22, 2014, 05:07:19 PM
After a few more listens, this is actually really growing on me, a lot.

On first listen I though Baba Yaga was one of the weakest, now I think it's one of the strongest.

I love Baba Yaga!
I thought Caveman was a bit of filler at first but love it now. There's parts of Shadow Eaters I don't love, but certainly not a skipper. A great Edguy album. I haven't taken this album out of the car cd changer since I got it and that says it all. Nothing else this year has stayed in this long.

I'm finding that too.  It's something that can just go on repeat and you don't even think about changing the cd, that's a damn good sign.  Caveman was one of my instant favs, nice bit of melodic rock that one.  Even the closer which I thought was a bit underwhelming is growing into a wonderful track too.

Terrific album, definitely gonna make my top 10, perhaps even 5 at this rate.
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Post by: NotePad on May 22, 2014, 10:20:50 PM
I love the way he sings the lyrics 'Do me like a caveman' at the end of the verse right before the solo. I find it really funny for some reason. And yea it is definitely one of the best on there. And I agree that the album feels too short. I don't even know how many songs these albums have and am too lazy to look it up, but Rocket Ride and AoJ feel like very long albums with lots of songs, which IMO is good cuz i love those albums. And I love Space Police, but it does feel too short.
And I actually wish the Def Leppard song was on the album instead of Amadeus. But that might be because I love Def Leppard. That songs sounds like it's straight of something like Hysteria.
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Post by: Lowdz on May 23, 2014, 02:35:15 AM
I love the way he sings the lyrics 'Do me like a caveman' at the end of the verse right before the solo. I find it really funny for some reason. And yea it is definitely one of the best on there. And I agree that the album feels too short. I don't even know how many songs these albums have and am too lazy to look it up, but Rocket Ride and AoJ feel like very long albums with lots of songs, which IMO is good cuz i love those albums. And I love Space Police, but it does feel too short.
And I actually wish the Def Leppard song was on the album instead of Amadeus. But that might be because I love Def Leppard. That songs sounds like it's straight of something like Hysteria.

It seems ok to me but I have burned a disc for the car with the two bonus tracks on. I love England. I crack up every time I hear the line "England, inventors of... Indian food".  :biggrin: And the Hysteria track is good too.
It hadn't occurred to me that it was a short album though.
And Love T-T-T-Tiger is an earworm of epic proportions.
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Post by: wolfking on May 23, 2014, 07:00:20 AM
The more I listen, I don't really have a problem with the length.  It's 54 minutes, but feels shorter, which is actually a good thing cause it means nothing is dragging.

And I actually wish the Def Leppard song was on the album instead of Amadeus.

No way.

It's funny, I'm loving every track but both the bonus tracks do absolutely nothing for me, weird.
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Post by: NotePad on May 24, 2014, 01:25:32 AM
I can totally understand why the def leppard song is a bonus track. I think it has the potential to be on the official album though if they made some adjustments and took away the super obvious Def Leppard homages. All i really meant was i enjoy it more then the Amadeus song. Amadeus isn't bad, but it's my least favorite. It's a very solid album. There's some straight-up power metal on it, hopefully enough to keep THOSE fans happy ;p

To add something about Savage Poetry, I'm talking about the re-recorded version. I know Hellfire Club seems to be considered their Maiden album by many, it even says something like this on it's wikipedia page, but I never got that. The Savage Poetry is their album that I feel is most like Maiden. Most of their early stuff sound VERY helloween inspired, including TSP, but it also sounds incredibly like iron maiden. Like a pre-XFactor Maiden except faster and with Helloween harmonies/solo's. Fuck that's a great album, i'm surprised people often mention Vain Glory and ToS as their best early work.
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Post by: wolfking on May 25, 2014, 05:40:33 PM
I'd take TSP over TOS and VGO anyday.

There's some straight-up power metal on it, hopefully enough to keep THOSE fans happy ;p

It's funny, I don't really think anything on the album classes as power metal.  There's lots of heavy metal, but I don't hear power metal.  I guess Edguy really have a good grip on their own style and sound now, it's tough to categorize.
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Post by: NotePad on May 26, 2014, 02:03:15 AM
I think the album is a lot heavier then their last album. As a whole it has more of an atmosphere. The thing is Edguy has their own unique sound these days. None of the songs sound like typical power metal like their early stuff and most other power metal band. They mix other sounds like 80s hard rock and such. The only song on SP i think sounds the closest to straigh forward power metal is Defenders of The Crown. But a lot of the other songs are power metal too, but mix 80s rock styles with it, but there's lots of double bass and speed and guitar harmonies etc. Like Baba Yaga, that's a fast, heavy, power metal song. They just have their own sound unlike any other bands like them.

And does anyone else think TSP sounds A LOT like Iron Maiden? It's crazy, i'm new to the album and i wasn't expecting such a sound so close to Maiden.
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Post by: wolfking on May 26, 2014, 05:33:57 AM
Speaking of Maiden, Tobi does his best Bruce Dickinson impression on Baba Yaga.  You can tell he was thinking about Bruce while recording that one.
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Post by: NotePad on May 29, 2014, 11:20:35 PM
I think Tobi might actually be right. This might actually be their strongest album to dat ;p Every song is good. On all their albums there are songs that just never grew on me. But not on this album. They're all great.
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Post by: McNugg on August 02, 2014, 02:37:13 PM
Avantasia live RIGHT NOW from Wacken if anyone is bored on a Saturday night like I am :D

Kiske nailing it as usual. :) :) :)

https://www.wacken.com/en/woa2014/main-specials/woalivestream09/3sat-livestream
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Post by: jingle.boy on August 02, 2014, 05:48:58 PM
I got this notice in my inbox, unfortunately I was out this afternoon. Hopefully it'll be online somewhere soon enough.
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Post by: NotePad on August 03, 2014, 01:21:23 AM
Didn't know Avantasia was touring again. I'm disappointed. The focus should be on Edguy touring because, first of all, they have a new album out. I LOVE Edguy, yet i have very little interest in Avantasia.

I also really hope there is another Edguy album  before another Avantasia album. It will be so disappointing to see that happen
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Post by: jingle.boy on August 03, 2014, 05:10:35 AM
Two shows does not constitute a tour.  It's Whacken... they do it pretty regularly.
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Post by: wolfking on August 03, 2014, 05:11:39 AM
It would probably be smarter for Tobi to pimp Avantasia these days over Edguy.
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Post by: NotePad on August 03, 2014, 02:20:27 PM
It would probably be smarter for Tobi to pimp Avantasia these days over Edguy.

And why is that? Space Police seems to be very well-received and charted very high in a few countries.

I could understand if there were people in Tobi's life pushing him to focus mostly on Avantasia. But Avantasia should at least take a few year hiatus. Edguy needs to be focused on. Edguy IMHO has the potential to be much bigger then they currently are. A lot of their recent material has strong commercial potential. And that's NOT A BAD THING. I love this band. Their newest record is probably in their top 3 albums.
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Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on August 03, 2014, 06:41:44 PM
I think you're the only guy I've ever encountered that prefers Edguy over Avantasia. :lol
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Post by: wolfking on August 03, 2014, 07:23:15 PM
Edguy have sort of blown their momentum with the last few albums, even though the latest is one of their stronger efforts.  Avantasia on the other hand seems to keep going forward and upward.
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Post by: bl5150 on August 03, 2014, 07:25:55 PM
I'd probably be more likely to grab an Edguy album than Avantasia , but as wolfking noted I'm talking the Mandrake/Rocket Ride/Hellfire Club type stuff.   I find I'm getting sick and tired of the multi vocalist stuff.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on August 03, 2014, 07:30:21 PM
I'd probably be more likely to grab an Edguy album than Avantasia , but as wolfking noted I'm talking the Mandrake/Rocket Ride/Hellfire Club type stuff.   I find I'm getting sick and tired of the multi vocalist stuff.

Yeah, I'd go for an older Edguy album too, but the Metal Opera albums I rank just as high.

I felt that way with the multi vocal stuff but I found the last album really grew on me over time and in retrospect was a big step up from Symphony/Babylon.  I think the next Avantasia album will be a true telling on whether this thing can keep going or not.
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Post by: gazinwales on August 04, 2014, 04:11:50 AM
Didn't know Avantasia was touring again. I'm disappointed. The focus should be on Edguy touring because, first of all, they have a new album out. I LOVE Edguy, yet i have very little interest in Avantasia.

I also really hope there is another Edguy album  before another Avantasia album. It will be so disappointing to see that happen

Seriously, you'd take Edguy live over an absolute spectacular show like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-7fWJenLM8
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: NotePad on August 11, 2014, 02:09:13 AM
I actually would. Partly because I'm MUCH more familiar with Edguy's music. Whereas I have only heard 2 or 3 albums by Avantasia.

I do think it would be really amazing to see guys like Kiske and Lande in the flesh. But other then them and Tobi, i wouldn't be drawn there by any of the other vocalist likely to take part.

I'd just prefer the Edguy experience. They're a band. (although i will say that watching the live Edguy DVD, i noticed Tobi was very much the focal point of it all. Unlike say a Maiden DVD for example, where the there feels to be more attention to members of then Bruce. But of course that's just the DVD.) I'd want to hear Space Police songs, Hellfire Club songs etc.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: gazinwales on August 11, 2014, 04:30:17 AM
I've seen Edguy live a few times over the years and trust me, they are solid yet unspectacular.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Lowdz on August 11, 2014, 03:43:11 PM
Didn't know Avantasia was touring again. I'm disappointed. The focus should be on Edguy touring because, first of all, they have a new album out. I LOVE Edguy, yet i have very little interest in Avantasia.

I also really hope there is another Edguy album  before another Avantasia album. It will be so disappointing to see that happen

Seriously, you'd take Edguy live over an absolute spectacular show like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-7fWJenLM8

Kiske kicks some arse on this.  :metal
And always great to hear Uncle Bob and Eric Martin.
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Post by: TAC on August 11, 2014, 04:00:35 PM
Kiske!! :heart
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Post by: gazinwales on August 12, 2014, 12:31:44 AM
My question about the Avantasia Wacken show is where was Jorn?
What could he has possibly been doing not to be there?
Recording another shitty plod along boring solo album?

Yeah great to see Kiske on the big stage doing what he does best.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on December 16, 2014, 11:19:14 AM
Been listening to Wicked Trilogy recently. Dadgum these are great albums, not a weak song between the three of them.

Current ranking:
1. Wicked Symphony
2. The Scarecrow
3. Angel of Babylon
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Evermind on December 16, 2014, 11:25:39 AM
Been listening to Wicked Trilogy recently. Dadgum these are great albums, not a weak song between the three of them.

Current ranking:
1. Wicked Symphony
2. The Scarecrow
3. Angel of Babylon

I dunno, I think at least half of Angel of Babylon is weak. TS and TWS are quite strong though, yeah, though the latter suffers because of the awkward flow.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on December 16, 2014, 11:30:05 AM
Honestly the only songs on AOB that I'd consider less than great are Your Love Is Evil and Blowing Out The Flame. And eve those are pretty good.

Also I've never had a problem with TWS, I think it flows great.
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Post by: Evermind on December 16, 2014, 11:38:50 AM
Honestly the only songs on AOB that I'd consider less than great are Your Love Is Evil

That's my favourite tune on AOB after Stargazers and Promised Land.  :lol
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on December 16, 2014, 11:41:13 AM
That statement blows my mind. So which songs do you consider weak?
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Evermind on December 16, 2014, 11:49:48 AM
That statement blows my mind. So which songs do you consider weak?

Rat Race, Down in the Dark, Blowing Out the Flame, Alone I Remember.

Also, Death is Just a Feeling is a mediocre version of The Toy Master and Journey to Arcadia isn't my cup of tea at all, though I don't think it's weak, just not what I prefer to hear from Avantasia.

The album just loses my attention at the fifth track, briefly regains it back on Symphony of Life and Promised Land, and that's about it.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on December 16, 2014, 11:55:01 AM
Also, Death is Just a Feeling is a mediocre version of The Toy Master

Funny you mention that. It would've been so much better with Alice Cooper singing it than Jon Oliva's LAME attempt.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on December 16, 2014, 12:12:04 PM
Funny, I love Oliva on that song. :lol
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Scorpion on December 16, 2014, 03:32:03 PM
Shadow Ninja know what's up. Death Is Just a Feeling is awesome.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on December 16, 2014, 04:09:15 PM
Nothing lame about Jon Oliva what so ever.  Great song.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on December 16, 2014, 04:32:37 PM
I feel like that song was written for Alice Cooper. Oliva's delivery is proof enough, like Tobi said I want you to sing this like Alice. Maybe Alice wasn't available for the sessions, but for the next album, seems Tobi corrected the mistake and got him in.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on December 16, 2014, 04:36:47 PM
Nah, I don't think Jon really sang it that far from his usual style. And what do you mean by "the next album"? Alice Cooper was only on The Scarecrow.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on December 16, 2014, 04:39:34 PM
Scarecrow wasn't next? I might be chronologically challenged. It was after though, no?
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on December 16, 2014, 04:49:10 PM
Scarecrow wasn't next? I might be chronologically challenged. It was after though, no?

Scarecrow was before TWS and AOB;

TMO1
TMO2
S
TWS
AOB
TMOT
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Post by: TAC on December 16, 2014, 05:15:19 PM
 :facepalm:
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2015, 10:11:41 AM
Resurrecting this thread.  I started listening to Avantasia about 8 months ago, but now Im very familiar with their discography and I really enjoy The Mystery of Time album.  That and The Scarecrow are masterpiece albums IMO.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Evermind on June 29, 2015, 10:54:57 AM
Resurrecting this thread.  I started listening to Avantasia about 8 months ago, but now Im very familiar with their discography and I really enjoy The Mystery of Time album.  That and The Scarecrow are masterpiece albums IMO.

I agree. :metal

But in my opinion, The Metal Opera pt. 1 beats them both. The Scarecrow and The Mystery of Time were #32 and #31 in my Top 50 respectively, and TMO pt. 1 was #25. Three absolutely brilliant albums.

The Scarecrow and Savior in the Clockwork are also my two favourite Avantasia songs. Tremendous epics for sure.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2015, 10:57:44 AM
Yea those two individual songs are among their best if not my personal favorites as well.  However TMO albums are good, but not as good as the other two albums I listed IMO.  I really do hope they continue as a band though.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Evermind on June 29, 2015, 11:02:00 AM
Well it's not really a band, more like a supergroup, but Tobi promised there will be a continuation for The Mystery of Time — this album was only a first part, as you can kind of see from the story. In the interviews after the TMoT release, he stated 2016 as a likely date for the sequel, but as of now, there were no further announcements I know of.

I hope he'll get Biff Byford again to sing on the sequel. The man absolutely nailed his parts on TMoT, my favourite vocalist on the album for sure.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on June 29, 2015, 01:59:42 PM
Yeah Biff was great on this, especially that last chorus of Savior In The Clockwork. Amazing!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on June 29, 2015, 03:42:54 PM
Probably about time Tobi was working on new Avantasia hopefully.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: jingle.boy on July 14, 2015, 10:20:05 AM
From Avantasia FB feed this morning:

Quote
"Folks - I've sneaked into Avantasia FB again. Besides advertising tomorrow night's TS Rockshow at radiobob.de with some great news - I'll also post a picture here that shall get you in a certain mood. A little bird has told me that tomorrow at 3PM CET (15:00) our press people will reveal some great news here. You got any idea??! I'm curious... - Tobi"

(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11755165_10153288079043889_4033036717628848238_n.jpg?oh=7121283d6523d1e054fab4da238fb063&oe=565584AD)

Tour or show perhaps?

If the former, :caffeine:; if the latter :getoffmylawn: (because it's probably a Euro festival)
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: cramx3 on July 14, 2015, 12:10:46 PM
Wouldnt it be a bit late to announce a show this summer? Really hoping for new album news.  We shall see.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Evermind on July 14, 2015, 12:22:26 PM
I don't think they'll get on tour before releasing their new album, but I may be wrong.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on July 14, 2015, 03:12:26 PM
Yeah, probably a tour announcement, but hopefully we'll see a new album.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: jingle.boy on July 15, 2015, 08:51:35 AM
Quote
AVANTASIA - NEW ALBUM & TOUR 2016
Big news: In January 2016 AVANTASIA are going to release the sequel to "The Mystery Of Time". The next chapter of the saga will be called "GHOSTLIGHTS". In March the all-star ensemble will kick off the GHOSTLIGHTS WORLD TOUR, and the tickets are on presale now. For information go to avantasia.net. Also, if you want us to keep you up to date sign up for the newsletter at avantasia.net
"Folks, I've spent months in the basement working on new material: Amazing stuff, diverse, epic, a little progressive even. Long tracks. Orchestra. Celtic stuff… We're still in the middle of the process, but it's so inspiring to work with all these great musicians and come up with a new chapter of Avantasia. And YES - against all odds - WE'LL DO A FUCKING TOUR!!!!!! In March we'll hit the road, and we're gonna play over three hours to do material of all eras, from 'The Metal Opera' to the new album. I definitely wanna make this the biggest Avantasia show we have ever put on stage! I am excited, and I can't wait to finish and unleash the beast. Thank you all - best fans in the world - for letting me live my dream!!! -Tobi"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCQx6eV8b6k

On the album - mother fucking fuck yes!
On the tour - mother fucking fuck Europe!
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Post by: Bolsters on July 15, 2015, 08:59:21 AM
On the album - mother fucking fuck yes!
:2metal:
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: cramx3 on July 15, 2015, 09:27:46 AM
Nice, an album AND tour! not that the tour matters to the USA
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Post by: Evermind on July 15, 2015, 09:56:08 AM
Hell yeah indeed! :metal

No Russian date so far, but Tobi promised they'll return on the next tour. Waiting for more dates yo be announced!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 15, 2015, 10:48:26 AM
I'm was hoping to see what vocalists are going to be involved. TMOT is good, but was a bit lackluster in the vocal department.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Evermind on July 16, 2015, 02:27:00 AM
I think he's going to do what he did with TMOT, reveal one vocalist at a time as the release date comes closer.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Kwyjibo on July 16, 2015, 02:33:36 AM
The Scarecrow was my first introduction to Avantasia, about a year ago and it really hit home for me.

Now I'm slowly getting into the rest of their discography and therefore am excited for a new one.  :metal
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: NotePad on July 19, 2015, 11:15:41 AM
So there's gonna be a new Avantasia album.....and I'm really disappointed. I honestly do not care about Avantasia. I'm a huge Tobias Sammet fan, but with Edguy. I just can't get interested in Avantasia. I think a part of it is that Edguy is a really BAND band, you know?

I'd much prefer Edguy work off the momentum and do a new album. Space Police a a really successful album, not just critically but with sales. Stick with the real band. I love Edguy, I hate seeing Tobi doing a new Avantasia album now because based on the past, it could be 2 or 3 Avantasia albums before he returns to Edguy.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: cramx3 on July 19, 2015, 12:40:09 PM
So there's gonna be a new Avantasia album.....and I'm really disappointed. I honestly do not care about Avantasia. I'm a huge Tobias Sammet fan, but with Edguy. I just can't get interested in Avantasia. I think a part of it is that Edguy is a really BAND band, you know?

I'd much prefer Edguy work off the momentum and do a new album. Space Police a a really successful album, not just critically but with sales. Stick with the real band. I love Edguy, I hate seeing Tobi doing a new Avantasia album now because based on the past, it could be 2 or 3 Avantasia albums before he returns to Edguy.

To each their own, I have the opposite opinion.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Nick on July 19, 2015, 12:55:04 PM
So there's gonna be a new Avantasia album.....and I'm really disappointed. I honestly do not care about Avantasia. I'm a huge Tobias Sammet fan, but with Edguy. I just can't get interested in Avantasia. I think a part of it is that Edguy is a really BAND band, you know?

I'd much prefer Edguy work off the momentum and do a new album. Space Police a a really successful album, not just critically but with sales. Stick with the real band. I love Edguy, I hate seeing Tobi doing a new Avantasia album now because based on the past, it could be 2 or 3 Avantasia albums before he returns to Edguy.

To each their own, I have the opposite opinion.

Definitely with Cram on this one.

This gave me the motivation to add a poll to the thread, allowing you to vote on which project you prefer. :)
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: jingle.boy on July 19, 2015, 06:59:42 PM
Avantasia, without a doubt.  I like most Edguy, love some of it... but it's the same formula, and pretty standard power metal.  High end power metal mind you, but there's nothing that makes it stand out from the likes of Kamelot, Primal Fear, and a dozen other power metal acts I could rhyme off.

Avantasia on the other hand is where Tobi gets incredibly creative, takes risks, and is able to spread his compositional wings.  Avantasia is an automatic pre-buy.  I even flew to Quebec for a weekend to see them - surely wouldn't have done that for Edguy.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Kwyjibo on July 20, 2015, 12:25:19 AM
As I said I'm a fairly new Avantasia fan and haven't listened to the whole discography yet, but what I heard is far better than Edguy. But, to be fair, I haven't listened to the whole Edguy discography either.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on July 20, 2015, 04:21:11 PM
I'd take Edguy during their Mandrake/Hellfire days, but these days, I'll take either, probably Avantasia to be honest.

Looking forward to the album as always.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on July 20, 2015, 04:51:14 PM
Edguy jumped the shark with Hellfire Club.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 20, 2015, 04:54:52 PM
Edguy is alright, Avantasia is incredible. Not really any comparison, in my opinion.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: jingle.boy on July 20, 2015, 05:26:50 PM
Edguy jumped the shark with Hellfire Club.

Space Police was really good - very cheesy lyrically, but overall really good.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: senecadawg2 on July 20, 2015, 05:35:35 PM
Amen. I've not heard all the albums from either project (Scarecrow, Metal Operas and a few other bits and pieces here and there) but Space Police is easily my favorite of all.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on July 20, 2015, 05:41:57 PM
I actually gave up on Edguy. Space Police is the first one that I did not even sample. maybe I should check it out. They just seem so goofy at this point.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: senecadawg2 on July 20, 2015, 06:25:02 PM
I will admit, Space Police is incredibly cheesy and goofy at times (lyrically, in particular), but I don't even care at this point.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Evermind on July 20, 2015, 10:14:39 PM
Edguy is alright, Avantasia is incredible. Not really any comparison, in my opinion.

This. I tried Space Police after it got some good reviews on this forum. It was alright, but I don't think I revisited it ever since.

The Mystery of Time though, this one still gets listens from me quite often.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Lowdz on July 21, 2015, 10:47:05 AM
I actually gave up on Edguy. Space Police is the first one that I did not even sample. maybe I should check it out. They just seem so goofy at this point.

I really liked Space police but it's certainly got its share of goofiness. It's their best since Rocket Ride for me but I know that isn't necessarily a glowing recommendation. The ode to Steve Harris on the special edition is goofy but fun. It's worth a go TAC but prepare for those lyrics.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on July 21, 2015, 10:55:49 AM
. It's their best since Rocket Ride for me but I know that isn't necessarily a glowing recommendation.   
:lol
An oxymoron for sure!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: NotePad on July 21, 2015, 11:03:18 AM
Avantasia, without a doubt.  I like most Edguy, love some of it... but it's the same formula, and pretty standard power metal.  High end power metal mind you, but there's nothing that makes it stand out from the likes of Kamelot, Primal Fear, and a dozen other power metal acts I could rhyme off.

Avantasia on the other hand is where Tobi gets incredibly creative, takes risks, and is able to spread his compositional wings.  Avantasia is an automatic pre-buy.  I even flew to Quebec for a weekend to see them - surely wouldn't have done that for Edguy.

People used to say Edguy was gonna be the new Maiden. But with the rise of Avantasia, all the focus has switched away from Edguy. It sucks.
Edguy does more then just plain power metal these days. Hellfire Club mixes a lot of traditional metal elements into their music, comparable to Maiden and Priest, Accept too. That was the start of that element to their music. Then rocket Ride and AoJ had elements of 80s rock/metal and pop rock.
Take a look at their Space Police album. The Realms of Baba Yaga is a power metal song, but sounds like no other power metal I've heard before. I want to see more of this unique metal but with all his focus on Avantasia it doesn't happen as often anymore.
(I'm also not into the whole Opera album thing)
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on July 22, 2015, 05:16:41 AM
Edguy jumped the shark with Hellfire Club.

Err...not really, the quality just dipped.  Space Police was really good and a great return to form.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Lowdz on July 22, 2015, 05:53:07 AM
Edguy jumped the shark with Hellfire Club.

Err...not really, the quality just dipped.  Space Police was really good and a great return to form.

Not for me. The early albums were a bit naive and rough round the edges. It started to come together with Mandrake, Hellfire Club and Rocket Ride, then things slipped a bit with TS and AotJ (both better on recent replays than I thought at the time). SP was very good though.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: bl5150 on July 22, 2015, 05:55:10 AM
Edguy jumped the shark with Hellfire Club.

Err...not really, the quality just dipped.  Space Police was really good and a great return to form.

Not for me. The early albums were a bit naive and rough round the edges. It started to come together with Mandrake, Hellfire Club and Rocket Ride, then things slipped a bit with TS and AotJ (both better on recent replays than I thought at the time). SP was very good though.
  I agree..............although I never really gave Space Police much time to grow on me.  I would tend to grab Rocket Ride or Mandrake over the rest......or Avantasia.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on July 22, 2015, 06:04:14 AM
While Hellfire and Mandrake SHOULD appeal to me more, Rocket Ride was always my go to Edguy album for reason also.  For some reason that slipped my mind when I posted my comment.  My comment would be valid for the two albums after Rocket Ride, which is what I was thinking of.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on July 22, 2015, 06:21:08 AM
I have Rocket Ride, Hellfire Club, and Age Of The Joker. Maybe I should dig them out.

The thing is, I'm not in love with Tobi as a vocalist, but I prefer the earlier stuff where I felt he was at least serious.
My go to Edguy album is The Savage Poetry.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on July 22, 2015, 06:31:27 AM
Savage Poetry is fucking great and underrated.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on July 22, 2015, 02:42:17 PM
OK.
I take back what I said.

Had a great listen to Rocket Ride and Hellfire Club. Hellfire Club is way better than I remember.
My birthday is in September so once my Amazon GC balance improves, I'll order Space Police.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: cramx3 on July 22, 2015, 02:46:55 PM
Not sure if anyone saw this, but Wacken's youtube channel uploaded 3 songs from their performance last year and its significantly better than the other youtube videos and the audio is actually solid, you can hear the vocalists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px6zHODp9As (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px6zHODp9As)
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: jingle.boy on July 22, 2015, 02:55:59 PM
Not sure if anyone saw this, but Wacken's youtube channel uploaded 3 songs from their performance last year and its significantly better than the other youtube videos and the audio is actually solid, you can hear the vocalists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px6zHODp9As (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px6zHODp9As)

Great... my Watch Later list just got a little longer.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: cramx3 on July 22, 2015, 03:00:10 PM
I wish they did the whole concert like this, its very well done and the entire concert is amazing, just the audio feed was terrible.
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Post by: wolfking on July 22, 2015, 04:12:23 PM
I'll be checking this out later too.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: NotePad on July 23, 2015, 11:19:57 AM
Savage Poetry is fucking great and underrated.

The Savage Poetry, the 2000 rerecording, is in my opinion one of their best. It's different from  the newer stuff, but also different from. The other early stuff. The Iron Maiden influence is very obvious on that album, I love it! It's like a faster Maiden album. Actually it's the perfect mix of early Helloween and early Maiden, but also uniquely Maiden.

It bothers me that they seem to ignore TSP. They never play the songs live.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Lowdz on July 24, 2015, 05:20:13 AM
I have Rocket Ride, Hellfire Club, and Age Of The Joker. Maybe I should dig them out.

The thing is, I'm not in love with Tobi as a vocalist, but I prefer the earlier stuff where I felt he was at least serious.
My go to Edguy album is The Savage Poetry.

Vain Glory has that "Kiske through a vibrato pedal" vocals that I find very offputting. Some good songs on it though.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on July 24, 2015, 03:19:57 PM
Tobi really developed his vocals over the first few albums.  Check the original Savage Poetry if you haven't already for a laugh.  Vain Glory is a pretty good power metal album, some great tracks on it.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on July 24, 2015, 03:27:44 PM
I will say that Tobi has really gotten better as he has matured as a singer. The Mystery Of Time is to me, his best all time vocal.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on July 24, 2015, 03:32:22 PM
He's tried to stop sounding like Kiske with the vibrato which has really defined him as a singer now IMO.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on July 24, 2015, 03:34:58 PM
He's tried to stop sounding like Kiske with the vibrato which has really defined him as a singer now IMO.

You know the first time that I heard him, I thought he sounded like Kiske Lite. He's not in Kiske's league, but you can tell how much he is influenced by him.
I've always thought of Tobi as a cross between Kiske and Bon Jovi.

There was a great interview a while back where Kiske basically credits Tobi with his return to hard rock.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: cramx3 on July 24, 2015, 03:45:30 PM
For me, one of the reasons I like Avantasia over Edguy is because I am not the biggest fan of Tobi's vocals.  He has a very distinct voice and many songs I do not have a problem with his vocals, but I think his voice sounds the best when its complemented by another voice.  All of his songs where he sings along with someone else are so much better IMO.  Maybe its a product of those songs being better, but for me its so consistent that I get the feeling I just think he isn't the greatest stand alone singer in terms of the sound of his voice, not talking about ability here.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on July 24, 2015, 03:50:24 PM
Yeah, I agree with what you say Cram. When he's the voice of a character, I can somehow deal with it a little better.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on July 24, 2015, 04:55:18 PM
He's tried to stop sounding like Kiske with the vibrato which has really defined him as a singer now IMO.

You know the first time that I heard him, I thought he sounded like Kiske Lite. He's not in Kiske's league, but you can tell how much he is influenced by him.
I've always thought of Tobi as a cross between Kiske and Bon Jovi.

There was a great interview a while back where Kiske basically credits Tobi with his return to hard rock.

That's a pretty fair description actually. 

And yeah, getting Kiske to sing on The Judas At the Opera I remember was a pretty big deal at the time.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: NotePad on July 28, 2015, 12:22:20 PM
Tobi's voice was amazing earlier in his career. I still think he's great and one of my favorites, but his voice changed drastically. His style back then was very much like Kiske, but unlike Kiske, Tobti had to manipulate his voice to sound like that. He was like Kiske but with so much more.

Hellfire Club was when his voice started changing. I actually think that album was his best performance. He did his high pitch stuff but also dark raspy stuff, which Kiske couldn't do if his life depended on it. I do wish Tobi would push himself vocally like he used to. I believe he's still capable of it by just doesn't attempt it.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: gazinwales on August 26, 2015, 03:59:28 PM
Got an email from CD Japan yesterday, new Avantasia EP November 18th.
https://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/MICP-40016
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on August 26, 2015, 04:04:03 PM
Exciting.  I hope there's an album too.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on August 26, 2015, 04:05:29 PM
He was like Kiske but with so much more. 

No offence but you are not even close on this.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: cramx3 on August 27, 2015, 05:46:42 AM
Got an email from CD Japan yesterday, new Avantasia EP November 18th.
https://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/MICP-40016

Weird, not a single bit of info on that besides a date and band name, well and price.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Evermind on August 27, 2015, 06:02:30 AM
The album is scheduled to be released in early 2016, weird they would do an EP now without announcing anything. I'm not sure this information is reliable.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on August 27, 2015, 10:20:47 AM
JORN IS BACK GUYS
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: cramx3 on August 27, 2015, 10:23:11 AM
JORN IS BACK GUYS

Link?  Great news though
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Post by: Evermind on August 27, 2015, 10:41:53 AM
It's on their Facebook.

Quote
JORN TO JOIN AVANTASIA AGAIN

"It is with great pleasure that I can announce the Beast From The North to join forces with Avantasia once again. The STRIKING VIKING: Jorn Lande! We've just finished his vocal recordings and he sounds - what a surprise - KILLER! Jorn is a monster! It is with even greater pleasure to let you know that Jorn is gonna do the world tour next year, kicking off in March! AVANTASIA LIVE - 3hours every night, from the Metal Opera to the new album Ghostlights. We'll be an epic line up and we'll deliver an epic show. Check tourdates at avantasia.net and get your tickets before we sell out!

Stay tuned & cheerz, Tobi"

Hey, I'm not complaining, Jorn is always good, but I hope Tobi will get Biff Byford again. And I really hope they'll announce some Russian tour dates.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: cramx3 on August 27, 2015, 10:58:43 AM
Sweet that he is going to tour with them too, I'd love to see them release another Blu-Ray of this tour since I doubt they come to the US
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Lowdz on August 27, 2015, 11:01:15 AM
The tour better come to the UK. I will be there.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on August 27, 2015, 07:17:54 PM
This is looking good.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: jingle.boy on September 11, 2015, 09:27:53 AM
Quote from: Avantasia Facebook
January AVANTASIA's 7th studio album "GHOSTLIGHTS" will hit the stores. After Jorn Lande another guest star can be announced: Former QUEENSRYCHE-, and now OPERATION MINDCRIME vocalist GEOFF TATE!
Tobias comments: "I am proud to announce a very special guest today: Mr. Geoff Tate! I have been fortunate enough to meet many amazing classic Metal vocalists. Whenever we've talked about our influence as vocalists the name Geoff Tate was brought up. Throughout his incredible career of more than 30 years Geoff has constantly explored new territory as an artist and vocalist, while he has always managed to maintain this distinctive signature vocal sound that makes him stand out. His contribution sounds nothing but amazing, and you will immediately know why the man had such a huge impact on vocalists and fans around the globe! Enchanting, unique, amazing, progressive in the purest sense of the word! Thank you for joing the Avantasia family, Geoff Tate!"

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At least the music will be good.  Maybe Tobi can remove all of Tate's flaws in production.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Bolsters on September 11, 2015, 09:30:54 AM
Maybe Tobi can remove all of Tate's flaws in production.
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Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Evermind on September 11, 2015, 09:38:03 AM
(https://replygif.net/i/1365.gif)

At least the music will be good.  Maybe Tobi can remove all of Tate's flaws in production.

My reaction exactly.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: bl5150 on September 11, 2015, 09:46:23 AM
Why Tobi?  :-\    Avestasia  :tdwn
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on September 11, 2015, 10:24:06 AM
what the fuck
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Deathless on September 11, 2015, 11:42:10 AM
Lol, I know a lot of people still worship Tate but to read reviews and comments like Tobi's about how great and epic etc his vocals still are...  ::)
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on September 11, 2015, 12:53:50 PM
This is looking good.

Well, it was.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Evermind on September 11, 2015, 01:03:50 PM
You know, this Geoff Tate thing reminds me of a joke at official Edguy and Avantasia fan-forums few years ago. It went like:

Quote
Avantasia is going to release another album, and here's the lineup!

Tobias Sammet - vocals
Michael Kiske - vocals
Kai Hansen - vocals & guitars
Andi Deris - vocals (don't worry, he only speaks the introduction)

I'm hoping Tate only speaks the introduction too, seriously. :angel:

Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 11, 2015, 01:12:44 PM
Tates highs aren't great anymore. But if Tobias had him use his lower register then I'm fine with it.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: jingle.boy on September 11, 2015, 01:19:58 PM
This is looking good.

Well, it was.

I lol'd.  hard.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on September 11, 2015, 01:37:13 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on September 11, 2015, 03:44:15 PM
This is looking good.

Well, it was.

I lol'd.  hard.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/Ao8dPUmRqWPiE/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Lowdz on September 11, 2015, 03:49:43 PM
Oh dear. At least the songwriting will be better than he's had for a long while, but his voice is a mere shadow of its prior greatness.
Don't know what to think but but its more dread than exciting.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on September 11, 2015, 03:51:46 PM
It just taints the whole project.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: jingle.boy on September 11, 2015, 04:06:12 PM
It just taints the whole project.

I see what you did there.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on September 11, 2015, 04:24:21 PM
It just taints the whole project.

I see what you did there.

Thanks.  :lol
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: cramx3 on September 12, 2015, 06:44:56 AM
I'm fine with it. It's a different vocalist and maybe he's only on one song and it's a song that suits him. I'll hold judgement until I hear.  My hopes are not let down for this yet.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: jingle.boy on September 12, 2015, 07:40:00 AM
I'm fine with it. It's a different vocalist and maybe he's only on one song and it's a song that suits him. I'll hold judgement until I hear.  My hopes are not let down for this yet.

I wouldn't say I'm let down overall, just that this is a backwards step.   If he were to announce someone like Rick Altzi, urban Breed, Kelly Carpenter, or Ted Leonard - that would have me dancing around the room.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on September 13, 2015, 04:47:12 AM
Yeah, I'm with Chad.  Since the start of Avantasia he has been bringing in bigger names and kept the ball rolling really nicely.  Tate just feels like he's falling flat and just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.  I'd be more impressed if he got Todd along in there instead.

He needs to get Tom Englund too, that would be seiously amazing.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: McNugg on September 13, 2015, 05:53:25 AM
Tate is a name I would expect to see in Timo Tolkki's Avalon, not Avantasia :( 

I do wonder how Tate will do with decent lyrics written for him for once though... Just hope he doesn't join the tour as it's the first time i'm going to see Avantasia and that would put a damper on it.  Can't imagine Tate singing ANY Avantasia back catalog at all.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on September 13, 2015, 05:55:47 AM
Tate is a name I would expect to see in Timo Tolkki's Avalon, not Avantasia :( 

I do wonder how Tate will do with decent lyrics written for him for once though... Just hope he doesn't join the tour as it's the first time i'm going to see Avantasia and that would put a damper on it.  Can't imagine Tate singing ANY Avantasia back catalog at all.

You nailed it bro.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: cramx3 on September 13, 2015, 08:43:10 AM
I don't think Tate will tour as that part was not on his announcement which it is for Journe and now Kiske! Confirmed for the album and tour, via Avantasia facebook.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: bl5150 on September 13, 2015, 08:44:34 AM
Gotta admit though - his latest look would be pretty handy for a Scarecrow.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Evermind on September 13, 2015, 09:04:34 AM
Michael Kiske will be on the album and on tour too. Not a great surprise, but it's nice to get an official confirmation indeed.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on September 13, 2015, 09:38:25 AM
Kiske!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on September 13, 2015, 03:41:26 PM
Kiske always delivers.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on September 13, 2015, 03:44:05 PM
Kiske always delivers.
Always!

I turn into a chick when I hear his voice! :D
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: NotePad on September 14, 2015, 10:50:24 AM
It will be kinda weird having Kiske and Geoff Tate on the same album considering how similar they sound. Perhaps it will be fit into the concept, like they'll have roles as brothers or something ;p

Still, I'm pissed that Tobi is doing a new Avantasia album instead of focusing on another Edguy album. Edguy kicks ass!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on September 14, 2015, 11:24:26 AM
Kiske and Tate sound alike? I can't really see that, even if Tate weren't shit these days.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Evermind on September 14, 2015, 11:28:02 AM
Actually, I don't think I can name one musician that sounds like Kiske. Maybe that's because I'm a huge fan of his voice.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: jingle.boy on September 14, 2015, 11:36:35 AM
It's more the case that they LOOK alike more than they SOUND alike.  At least until Tate goes all goth/cabaret.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on September 14, 2015, 01:11:23 PM
It will be kinda weird having Kiske and Geoff Tate on the same album considering how similar they sound.

WHAT??? We are not in 1988!



I am somewhat interested in what Tobi got out of Tate. He has a knack of getting great vocal performances. Although Biff Byford still sounds great, his performance on Mystery Of Time is spectacular. Same for JLT.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 14, 2015, 11:52:05 PM
At the time of the Keeper albums Kiske sometimes reminded me of Tate in those high soaring vocals but fact is, Tate's voice deteriorated fast after Empire and since at least 20 years there are no obvious similarities.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: bl5150 on September 14, 2015, 11:53:25 PM
Anyone remember the talk in the late 80's/early 90's about a project that was to be called The Three Tremors featuring Tate, Dickinson and Halford in their prime?  That would've been something.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 15, 2015, 01:44:21 AM
Anyone remember the talk in the late 80's/early 90's about a project that was to be called The Three Tremors featuring Tate, Dickinson and Halford in their prime?  That would've been something.

Yep, and I found this little interview from 2014:

https://demolishmag.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/the-three-tremors-halford-dickinson-tate/ (https://demolishmag.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/the-three-tremors-halford-dickinson-tate/)

I remember I was excited when I first heard about it, but now I'm not so sure if it would have been good, and not just because of Tate's current state of mind and voice. More often than not these supergroups can't live up to the expectations.
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Post by: wolfking on September 15, 2015, 05:38:23 AM
Anyone remember the talk in the late 80's/early 90's about a project that was to be called The Three Tremors featuring Tate, Dickinson and Halford in their prime?  That would've been something.

I remember this very well and looked like it was gonna happen.  There was even a promo pic for it;

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/fe/d2/ec/fed2ec6ad584afa4a257ce018589a1fd.jpg)

Anyone remember the talk in the late 80's/early 90's about a project that was to be called The Three Tremors featuring Tate, Dickinson and Halford in their prime?  That would've been something.

Yep, and I found this little interview from 2014:

https://demolishmag.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/the-three-tremors-halford-dickinson-tate/ (https://demolishmag.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/the-three-tremors-halford-dickinson-tate/)

I remember I was excited when I first heard about it, but now I'm not so sure if it would have been good, and not just because of Tate's current state of mind and voice. More often than not these supergroups can't live up to the expectations.

Tate's voice around that time was still excellent IMO.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Lowdz on September 15, 2015, 03:51:13 PM
I was excited by the idea at the time. And for Tate to say they had nothing in common musically? Hello. Priest, maiden, early Queensryche? Nah, not remotely similar.
I suppose at the time it was mooted RH was doing his industrial thing, Tate was turning QR to shit. Only BD was actually doing anything the fans of these singers wanted to hear.

I wouldn't want to hear this now. Only BD still has the pipes.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on September 15, 2015, 04:15:30 PM
I thought this project was around the year 2000 mark?
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: bl5150 on September 15, 2015, 05:53:34 PM
I thought this project was around the year 2000 mark?

Could be .......old age.  I thought it was closer to the peak of QR (early 90's) and also Halford for that matter - otherwise I likely wouldn't have cared. But I have been wrong - once.  ;D  And it was talked about for a loooong time so there is no real official date as such.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on September 15, 2015, 07:06:00 PM
The pic looks later than 1990.  I think it might have happened around the time of Halford's Insurrection album.  I think the only thing we got was The One You Love to Hate.
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Post by: McNugg on September 16, 2015, 02:53:51 AM
I'll assume it was around 2000 as they did this together that year :)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me549HoI6gk
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on September 16, 2015, 05:16:20 AM
I'll assume it was around 2000 as they did this together that year :)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me549HoI6gk

Wow, good find, I've never seen this.  Incredible performance from all three too, especially Bruce, he's tearing shit up here, beast mode.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: jingle.boy on September 18, 2015, 09:19:51 AM
Quote from: Avantasia FB
BOB CATLEY OF MAGNUM JOINS AVANTASIA AGAIN!
After Geoff Tate, Michael Kiske & Jorn Lande, another guest vocalist is confirmed to appear on the forthcoming AVANTASIA album "GHOSTLIGHTS" (January 29th, 2016): Mr. BOB CATLEY.
Mainly known as the voice on masterpieces such as "On A Storyteller's Night" or "Wings Of Heaven" by British Epic Rock legend MAGNUM, BOB CATLEY has also made himself a name amongst AVANTASIA fans, having appeared on signature tracks such as "In Quest For", "The Story Ain't Over" or "The Great Mystery". Besides Jorn Lande, Michael Kiske and many more, Bob will also join AVANTASIA on the European tour that is going to kick off in March.

It's sounding more like an Avantasia reunion.  Three great vocalists, but what I want from outfits like FreeFall, Ayreon, Avantasia, Epysode etc...  is new voices, not just recycle the ones that have already been used.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: cramx3 on September 18, 2015, 09:48:56 AM
Quote from: Avantasia FB
BOB CATLEY OF MAGNUM JOINS AVANTASIA AGAIN!
After Geoff Tate, Michael Kiske & Jorn Lande, another guest vocalist is confirmed to appear on the forthcoming AVANTASIA album "GHOSTLIGHTS" (January 29th, 2016): Mr. BOB CATLEY.
Mainly known as the voice on masterpieces such as "On A Storyteller's Night" or "Wings Of Heaven" by British Epic Rock legend MAGNUM, BOB CATLEY has also made himself a name amongst AVANTASIA fans, having appeared on signature tracks such as "In Quest For", "The Story Ain't Over" or "The Great Mystery". Besides Jorn Lande, Michael Kiske and many more, Bob will also join AVANTASIA on the European tour that is going to kick off in March.

It's sounding more like an Avantasia reunion.  Three great vocalists, but what I want from outfits like FreeFall, Ayreon, Avantasia, Epysode etc...  is new voices, not just recycle the ones that have already been used.

I agree with what you are saying, hopefully there are a couple new voices added in, but these three have been staples in Avantasia, I almost can't imagine them not being involved in some way.  And sadly, the one new voice, has been met with meh
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on September 18, 2015, 09:57:17 AM
I don't mind at all having a lot of the previous vocalists back again, especially considering the really lackluster vocals on TMOT.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: jingle.boy on September 18, 2015, 10:06:32 AM
I don't mind at all having a lot of the previous vocalists back again, especially considering the really lackluster vocals on TMOT.

Does not compute.   :|

I agree, that Lande, Kiske, and Catley are staples on the mic of Avantasia, love all of their contributions, and think they're fantastic.  I just don't get what's with the slow roll of announcing them one at a time if it's just the same as before.  I'd be more intrigued (and would continue to be) if each announcement was something new.

What's next, announcing Amanda?
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: cramx3 on September 18, 2015, 10:09:52 AM
I don't mind at all having a lot of the previous vocalists back again, especially considering the really lackluster vocals on TMOT.

Does not compute.   :|

I agree, that Lande, Kiske, and Catley are staples on the mic of Avantasia, love all of their contributions, and think they're fantastic.  I just don't get what's with the slow roll of announcing them one at a time if it's just the same as before.  I'd be more intrigued (and would continue to be) if each announcement was something new.

What's next, announcing Amanda?

lol I was totally thinking she would be the next announcement, but then again she did just like give birth recently so maybe she is not involved in this.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: jingle.boy on September 18, 2015, 10:29:19 AM
That's what I figured too.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 18, 2015, 11:35:57 AM
I don't mind at all having a lot of the previous vocalists back again, especially considering the really lackluster vocals on TMOT.

Does not compute.   :|

I agree, that Lande, Kiske, and Catley are staples on the mic of Avantasia, love all of their contributions, and think they're fantastic.  I just don't get what's with the slow roll of announcing them one at a time if it's just the same as before.  I'd be more intrigued (and would continue to be) if each announcement was something new.

What's next, announcing Amanda?

Because suspense, and promotion.  He could throw another curveball like Geoff Tate.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on September 18, 2015, 12:07:44 PM
I don't mind at all having a lot of the previous vocalists back again, especially considering the really lackluster vocals on TMOT.

Does not compute.   :|

I agree, that Lande, Kiske, and Catley are staples on the mic of Avantasia, love all of their contributions, and think they're fantastic.  I just don't get what's with the slow roll of announcing them one at a time if it's just the same as before.  I'd be more intrigued (and would continue to be) if each announcement was something new.

What's next, announcing Amanda?

Amanda would be awesome, I'd love to have her on another Avantasia song.

TMOT was just kinda milquetoast vocally. Tobi was good, as usual, but really no other standouts. I couldn't even distinguish between most of the singers. :lol
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: jingle.boy on September 18, 2015, 12:15:57 PM
TMOT was just kinda milquetoast vocally. Tobi was good, as usual, but really no other standouts. I couldn't even distinguish between most of the singers. :lol

(https://replygif.net/i/1300.gif)

Ronnie Atkins, JLT, Biff Byford, Eric Martin, Catley and Kiske... you had trouble distinguihing between these voices?

(https://replygif.net/i/1005.gif)
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on September 18, 2015, 12:35:44 PM
Ronnie Atkins, JLT, Biff Byford, Eric Martin, Catley and Kiske... you had trouble distinguihing between these voices?
No kidding!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: cramx3 on September 18, 2015, 12:39:06 PM
I would say no to Ronnie Atkins, he was my least favorite.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Evermind on September 18, 2015, 04:07:17 PM
TMOT was just kinda milquetoast vocally. Tobi was good, as usual, but really no other standouts. I couldn't even distinguish between most of the singers. :lol

(https://replygif.net/i/1300.gif)

Ronnie Atkins, JLT, Biff Byford, Eric Martin, Catley and Kiske... you had trouble distinguihing between these voices?

(https://replygif.net/i/1005.gif)

All of this, big time.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on September 18, 2015, 04:12:40 PM
Kiske and Catley are good. The rest could all be the same singer as far as I know. Honestly it was a pretty big letdown, considering the amazing vocal diversity on the preceding albums.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on September 18, 2015, 04:56:41 PM
I would say no to Ronnie Atkins, he was my least favorite.

Ronnie was fucking awesome, I wouldn't mind seeing him back.

I'm with Chad though, Tobi has to try and keep it fresh I think.  There's lots of singers out there that would sing with Avantasia given the chance I reckon.

Oh, TMOT was awesome too.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on September 18, 2015, 05:00:38 PM
Oh, TMOT was awesome too.
Yes it was. One of my favorite albums this decade.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on September 18, 2015, 05:12:04 PM
Oh, TMOT was awesome too.
Yes it was. One of my favorite albums this decade.

Wow.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: cramx3 on September 18, 2015, 05:14:24 PM
TMOT is a great album, it's up there on best albums of the decade for me too, but haven't put enough thought into where it would rank.  I really think its a masterpiece though.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: jingle.boy on September 18, 2015, 06:20:36 PM
I liked it better than Angel of Babylon, but still put it behind Scarecrow and Wicked Symphony.

And I know Kade will go with TMO.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: cramx3 on September 18, 2015, 07:14:31 PM
I liked it better than Angel of Babylon, but still put it behind Scarecrow and Wicked Symphony.

And I know Kade will go with TMO.

Its a toss up with Scarecrow for me, but Scarecrow was last decade  :biggrin: regardless its still tie between those two as my favorite Avantasia albums.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Scorpion on September 19, 2015, 11:04:01 AM
What's that? Could it be... rankings?!

1. The Scarecrow
2. Angel of Babylon
3. The Metal Opera Part 1
4. The Mystery of Time
5. The Wicked Symphony
6. The Metal Opera Part 2

Not a bad album in the bunch though.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: jingle.boy on September 19, 2015, 11:06:54 AM
(https://www.afforums.com/ppost/data/662/awjeez.jpg)

Not a bad album in the bunch though.

This is the only thing that is right with your post.  :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on September 20, 2015, 04:48:10 AM
I liked it better than Angel of Babylon, but still put it behind Scarecrow and Wicked Symphony.

And I know Kade will go with TMO.

Probably.  It's close though.
Title: Avantasia Only! Edguy can go die in the corner
Post by: Dr. DTVT on September 20, 2015, 09:38:15 AM
If Avantasia went out an toured, I would prefer to see the old crew.  But since that isn't happening and one-off shows =/= tour, I'd like to see some new voices brought in.

But IIRC, one of the things people have complained about the last Ayreon album was the singers.  I can see Tobias' point of view.  You have Marshawn Lynch, just run the damn ball for the TD.
Title: Re: Avantasia Only! Edguy can go die in the corner
Post by: jingle.boy on September 20, 2015, 09:51:17 AM
If Avantasia went out an toured, I would prefer to see the old crew.  But since that isn't happening and one-off shows =/= tour, I'd like to see some new voices brought in.

But IIRC, one of the things people have complained about the last Ayreon album was the singers.  I can see Tobias' point of view.  You have Marshawn Lynch, just run the damn ball for the TD.

Or run it in OT on 4th down and get stuffed?   ;)

My only complaint with Arjen (ever), was with 01... too many vocalists - none had a chance to shine.  Theory of Everything was just fine - I like Marco, Scabbia and Squadrani were excellent, Mills was a nice surprise, and nothing needs to be said about Tommy's awesomness.   Whetton's contribution was just ok.

I'm hopeful Tobi has something new and interesting up his sleeve.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Evermind on October 02, 2015, 04:28:04 AM
From Avantasia FB:

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DEE SNIDER OF TWISTED SISTER JOINS AVANTASIA!

'We're Not Gonna Take It', 'I Wanna Rock', 'The Kids Are Back'... There's hardly any Rock fan around the globe who isn't familiar with the big hits of Rock icons TWISTED SISTER, whose frontman Dee Snider is going to appear on the new AVANTASIA album 'GHOSTLIGHTS' (out on January 29th). Besides Tobias Sammet, vocalists who have been confirmed for the new chapter of the Metal Opera are Geoff Tate (ex-Queensryche, Operation Mindcrime), Jorn Lande, Bob Catley (Magnum) and Michael Kiske (ex-Helloween, Unisonic). More singers are going to be announced soon.

Tobias comments: "I've always been a fan of Twisted Sister and Dee Snider in particular. He is entertaining, flamboyant, energetic, loud, tongue in cheek, colourful and mean! When I was young, I remember that he was the kind of character that I wanted to be. A crossing between peacock, jackal and Bugs Bunny. I loved it! On "Ghostlights" Dee is gonna be a ghost, and what a ghost he is. Great performance. And I kindly ask our webmaster to put a link to Twisted Sister's 'We're not gonna take it' because that is the video that says everything about what Rock'n Roll is about in my book! Dee, welcome to the Avantasia family!"

I'm not familiar with the man. Are those good news or bad?
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Lowdz on October 02, 2015, 05:12:15 AM
From Avantasia FB:

Quote
DEE SNIDER OF TWISTED SISTER JOINS AVANTASIA!

'We're Not Gonna Take It', 'I Wanna Rock', 'The Kids Are Back'... There's hardly any Rock fan around the globe who isn't familiar with the big hits of Rock icons TWISTED SISTER, whose frontman Dee Snider is going to appear on the new AVANTASIA album 'GHOSTLIGHTS' (out on January 29th). Besides Tobias Sammet, vocalists who have been confirmed for the new chapter of the Metal Opera are Geoff Tate (ex-Queensryche, Operation Mindcrime), Jorn Lande, Bob Catley (Magnum) and Michael Kiske (ex-Helloween, Unisonic). More singers are going to be announced soon.

Tobias comments: "I've always been a fan of Twisted Sister and Dee Snider in particular. He is entertaining, flamboyant, energetic, loud, tongue in cheek, colourful and mean! When I was young, I remember that he was the kind of character that I wanted to be. A crossing between peacock, jackal and Bugs Bunny. I loved it! On "Ghostlights" Dee is gonna be a ghost, and what a ghost he is. Great performance. And I kindly ask our webmaster to put a link to Twisted Sister's 'We're not gonna take it' because that is the video that says everything about what Rock'n Roll is about in my book! Dee, welcome to the Avantasia family!"

I'm not familiar with the man. Are those good news or bad?

He's got a good, distinctive voice. Not a great range but  he can do sinister! Toby's summed him up well there. He's a better singer than Geoff Tate at this point.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on October 02, 2015, 05:15:56 AM
I don't know what to think of that.  Never really checked any Twisted Sister and no idea what he sounds like these days.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: jingle.boy on October 02, 2015, 05:43:27 AM
What Paul said.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: cramx3 on October 02, 2015, 07:39:16 AM
Cant say what he sounds like now, but he is one of the biggest names to be involved with Avantasia.  I like Twisted Sister, but yea no idea if he has anything left in the tank.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: ErHaO on October 02, 2015, 08:29:13 AM
Guy is a rock legend. Not much of a Twisted Sister fan and I am not really familiar with their discography, but for a guy of his age (60), he is in an INSANELY good shape (also stage presence wise).

This was on Wacken this year, rock classics with an orchestra:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQvqHuPkTb8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQvqHuPkTb8)

And here he shows up during an Angra concert :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9pbLKgmx54 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9pbLKgmx54)

And this is with him jumping around and all.

I am sure his voice works great in an Avantasia studio album! Not sure about Tate though...

Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on October 02, 2015, 09:31:15 AM
Dee Snider  :metal

Can't wait to hear his contribution.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Evermind on October 07, 2015, 10:59:42 AM
Ronnie Atkins will be on the new album and on tour again, they've posted it on FB an hour ago:

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RONNIE ATKINS (PRETTY MAIDS) TO JOIN AVANTASIA

Fans in Europe & Asia have already had the pleasure to see the Danish rocker on stage with the Metal Opera. Now the whole world is going to get their share of Pretty Maids vocal powerhouse Ronnie Atkins. Not only will he appear on AVANTASIA's new album, he will also join the massive all-star line up on stage around the globe during the GHOSTLIGHTS WORLD TOUR 2016. The European tour will start in March, tour dates in other parts of the world tba soon!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: jingle.boy on October 07, 2015, 11:26:49 AM
 :tup :tup
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on October 07, 2015, 12:28:23 PM
Meh..I'd rather Tobi give another song to Kiske. Or Dee Snider for that matter.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: NotePad on October 07, 2015, 02:13:55 PM
Actually, I don't think I can name one musician that sounds like Kiske. Maybe that's because I'm a huge fan of his voice.

You guys really don't think Kiske and Tate sound similar? That's one of the main comparisons made to Kiske throughout his entire career. Sure they don't sound exactly alike, but very similar. And of course these days, Kiske's voice sounds much much better, but the similarity is still there. (I've also always kinda found Kiskes voice kinda bland and prefer Tate to him these days)
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on October 07, 2015, 02:29:34 PM
(I've also always kinda found Kiskes voice kinda bland and prefer Tate to him these days)

THESE DAYS??? WUT?

Notepad, no offense bro, but how anyone with ears can prefer Tate to Kiske "these days" doesn't make any sense to me. If you preferred Tate to Kiske in 1988, then fine. But in 2015?

(https://memecrunch.com/meme/EIAY/c-mon-man/image.jpg)


In their primes, sure their voices were comparable. They had amazing strength in their upper registers and were surprisingly strong in their lower ones. Along with James Labrie (I&W), Tate (O:M) and Kiske (Keepers Pt2) own the Three Best vocal performances I have ever heard.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: bl5150 on October 07, 2015, 03:25:19 PM
I think (hope)Notepad meant that these days he prefers "classic" Tate over Kiske.

Someone else referred to Kiske as a "generic metal vocalist" the other day and I was waiting for Timbo Slice to swoop in and it never happened.  Very disappointed  :lol
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on October 07, 2015, 03:42:01 PM
I think (hope)Notepad meant that these days he prefers "classic" Tate over Kiske.

Someone else referred to Kiske as a "generic metal vocalist" the other day and I was waiting for Timbo Slice to swoop in and it never happened.  Very disappointed  :lol

I obviously missed it! :lol

The problem with Kiske is that he's singing generic power metal. But anyone that thinks that his performance on a track like Night Of The Long Knives is generic needs help.


Obviously I have a lot to say on Kiske. And listening to Condition Human, I've been thinking a ton about Tate.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on October 07, 2015, 08:56:58 PM
Ronnie Atkins will be on the new album and on tour again, they've posted it on FB an hour ago:

Quote
RONNIE ATKINS (PRETTY MAIDS) TO JOIN AVANTASIA

Fans in Europe & Asia have already had the pleasure to see the Danish rocker on stage with the Metal Opera. Now the whole world is going to get their share of Pretty Maids vocal powerhouse Ronnie Atkins. Not only will he appear on AVANTASIA's new album, he will also join the massive all-star line up on stage around the globe during the GHOSTLIGHTS WORLD TOUR 2016. The European tour will start in March, tour dates in other parts of the world tba soon!

Fuck yeah.  Ronnie's awesome.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: NotePad on October 09, 2015, 11:57:11 AM
What I mean is.......exactly what i said. I know its controversial, but its my preference. Ive always felt Kiske's voice was quite bland. And this is coming from a huge Helloween fan. Perhaps I just need to hear him trying something different.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on October 09, 2015, 12:44:34 PM
What I mean is.......exactly what i said. I know its controversial, but its my preference. Ive always felt Kiske's voice was quite bland. And this is coming from a huge Helloween fan. Perhaps I just need to hear him trying something different.

You can buy these at Amazon!

(https://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/419lP-BrPcL._SX425_.jpg)













 ;D
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on October 09, 2015, 05:08:01 PM
I like the lolly ones covered in sugar.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on October 09, 2015, 05:11:17 PM
I like the lolly ones covered in sugar.

(https://www.captionthis.org/image.php?pic_id=12384)
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on October 09, 2015, 05:12:41 PM
WTF?!  :lol
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Big Hath on October 09, 2015, 09:37:18 PM
and a lifetime of therapy sessions begins . . .
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: NotePad on October 24, 2015, 11:03:57 AM
I wonder how much the new Avantasia will sound like their recent albums. I wonder if they'll go back to the Metal Opera sound ever.

And by sound I dont necessarily mean songwriting. Although that's obviously a huge part of it. I'm more of an Edguy fan but I know Avantasia's evolution is supposed to mirror Edguy's. I've been listening to the Edguy catalogue again and I think a lot of their new sound has to do with the production, not just the songwriting. Take 'Return To The Tribe' or 'Arcane Guild' or something like 'Nobody's Hero'. They have pretty much everything Edguy has been doing their entire career. To me those songs sound like straightforward power metal. They just don't have the eurometal production sound of their earlier stuff. I don't get people saying Edguy and Avantasia aren't power metal anymore. Everytime there's a new release people complain ablout it. Just an observation.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Lowdz on October 24, 2015, 12:28:25 PM
(I've also always kinda found Kiskes voice kinda bland and prefer Tate to him these days)

THESE DAYS??? WUT?

Notepad, no offense bro, but how anyone with ears can prefer Tate to Kiske "these days" doesn't make any sense to me. If you preferred Tate to Kiske in 1988, then fine. But in 2015?

(https://memecrunch.com/meme/EIAY/c-mon-man/image.jpg)


In their primes, sure their voices were comparable. They had amazing strength in their upper registers and were surprisingly strong in their lower ones. Along with James Labrie (I&W), Tate (O:M) and Kiske (Keepers Pt2) own the Three Best vocal performances I have ever heard.

Kiske and Tate shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath these days. One can still sing whilst one talks his way through albums. And I've never really liked the Kiske vibrato and at one time worshipped Tate.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: NotePad on October 26, 2015, 11:59:42 AM
Come on now, Tate is not that bad these days. Plus he's much older, keep in mind. I know the FU album he did was godawful and was blasphemy to release under the name Queensryche. But based on what I've heard from his new album The Key, not only do I like his voice, the music itself actually sounds really awesome. There's a reason he's going to be on the next Avantasia.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on October 26, 2015, 12:31:43 PM
Apparently the new album will have narration.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on October 26, 2015, 02:07:44 PM
Apparently the new album will have narration.

Something different.  This should be an interesting album.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Lowdz on October 26, 2015, 02:36:34 PM
Come on now, Tate is not that bad these days. Plus he's much older, keep in mind. I know the FU album he did was godawful and was blasphemy to release under the name Queensryche. But based on what I've heard from his new album The Key, not only do I like his voice, the music itself actually sounds really awesome. There's a reason he's going to be on the next Avantasia.

I'm sorry but he is that bad these days. Did you hear the refs orcs of the classics on FU? Truly abysmal. He isn't even singing these days. He's talking his way through the album.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 26, 2015, 05:26:06 PM
I actually like Geoff Tates lower tone better.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on October 26, 2015, 05:43:02 PM
I actually like Geoff Tates lower tone better.

But that's because he has no high tone!


In his prime, his low tone was indeed outstanding. I cannot believe this is the same guy. Doesn't seem real.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on October 26, 2015, 05:46:04 PM
In his prime, his low tone was indeed outstanding. I cannot believe this is the same guy. Doesn't seem real.

That's the thing.  Listen to something like Take Hold of the Flames and then what he sounds like now and it's unreal.  Saying that, I don't care about him anymore and what he sounds like, I just hope he doesn't bring this project down.  He could very easily be the achilles heel of the album.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on October 26, 2015, 05:47:14 PM
I'll say this about Tobi though, he gets the best out of his guests.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on October 26, 2015, 05:55:56 PM
I'll say this about Tobi though, he gets the best out of his guests.

We'll see about that.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on October 26, 2015, 05:58:00 PM
Do you not agree?
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: bl5150 on October 26, 2015, 06:02:58 PM
How good is Tate's best these days ?  ;D
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on October 26, 2015, 06:07:44 PM
Do you not agree?

I've been a huge fan of Tobi since Mandrake, love everything he does and yeah, everyone he has worked with in Avantasia have been amazing but;

How good is Tate's best these days ?  ;D

You can't polish a turd, no matter how good Tobi is.  If he can get Tate sounding good, he's a genius.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on October 26, 2015, 06:09:17 PM
I think Tobi will get the best that Tate has, whatever the hell that is! :lol
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on October 26, 2015, 06:17:17 PM
I don't just want the best he can do, he has a standard to live up to compared to all the other singers.  If he's second rate, he shouldn't be there.

And yes, Tobi works the parts for everyone really well.  He makes a guy like Bob Catley just as impressive and important as say a Jorn Lande, even though they are both completely different singers and different skills.  Tate needs to reach that level, and I hope Tobi uses him right.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Big Hath on October 26, 2015, 10:07:18 PM
Apparently the new album will have narration.

you mean other than Tate talking his way through his vocals?   :lol
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: bl5150 on October 26, 2015, 10:12:43 PM
Do we have a title for this album yet?   How about "The Mystery of Tate"  :)


Ah.....Ghostlights.   Oh well........you could easily fill a concept album with Tate's antics.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on October 27, 2015, 05:03:16 AM
Apparently the new album will have narration.

you mean other than Tate talking his way through his vocals?   :lol

Well done here.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on October 27, 2015, 07:31:15 AM
Apparently the new album will have narration.

you mean other than Tate talking his way through his vocals?   :lol

That was what I was getting at.  ;D
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: jingle.boy on October 27, 2015, 07:59:42 AM
Apparently the new album will have narration.

you mean other than Tate talking his way through his vocals?   :lol

That was what I was getting at.  ;D

Don't worry, I got it the first time. 
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Evermind on October 27, 2015, 09:07:46 AM
From Avantasia FB:

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NEW AVANTASIA SINGER

Dee Snider, Geoff Tate, Bob Catley, Michael Kiske, Olli Hartmann, Ronnie Atkins and Jorn Lande… and I want to announce another guest for the new album. Please welcome - from Phoenix Arizona - former Lynch Mob singer and current vocalist of US platinum rockers Warrant: Mr. Robert Mason!

This man must have one of the bluesiest, raspiest and cutting voices I‘ve ever heard. I found it really exciting to approach Robert to sing on Avantasia, a bluesy voice doing some Classic European 'Wagnerian Rock' material. What I knew would be an explosive combination has turned out to be way more than I could have hoped for. He did a hell of a job, and I am sure you will love it. Great voice, Mr. Mason!

Same as Dee Snider for me. Heard the name, heard some Lynch Mob songs, don't know how he's doing nowadays. Anyone?
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Lowdz on October 27, 2015, 01:52:53 PM
Excellent singer. The first two Lynch Mob albums were great and he did well with the Warrant album from a few years ago.
The less said about the Big Cock album the better... But the vocals were good.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 27, 2015, 02:09:06 PM
awesome, he did really good the last time I saw Lynch Mob about three years ago on my birthday.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on October 27, 2015, 03:57:49 PM
Apparently the new album will have narration.

you mean other than Tate talking his way through his vocals?   :lol

That was what I was getting at.  ;D

Don't worry, I got it the first time.

Fuck, my dumb ass didn't, well done to Tim then.

Good singer choice too.  Lots of contrast with these singer, looking forward to it.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on October 27, 2015, 04:15:42 PM
 :lol

Thank you!

:takesabow
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: bl5150 on October 27, 2015, 05:02:35 PM
Excellent singer. The first two Lynch Mob albums were great and he did well with the Warrant album from a few years ago.
The less said about the Big Cock album the better... But the vocals were good.

Fucked Up is awesome  :lol

And it was Oni Logan on the first Lynch Mob :neverusethis:


But yeah.............great voice and could have been the voice of DT apparently.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Lowdz on October 27, 2015, 05:07:50 PM
Excellent singer. The first two Lynch Mob albums were great and he did well with the Warrant album from a few years ago.
The less said about the Big Cock album the better... But the vocals were good.

Fucked Up is awesome  :lol

And it was Oni Logan on the first Lynch Mob :neverusethis:


But yeah.............great voice and could of been the voice of DT apparently.

That's what happens when you rely on Wikipedia.on his page it has the 1st album listed under him. And I'm obviously too tired and ill to have a working brain  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: cramx3 on October 30, 2015, 05:51:05 AM
NOW WE BE TALKING!!

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MARCO HIETALA (NIGHTWISH) ON NEW AVANTASIA ALBUM
News from Tobias:
"What do Geoff Tate, Dee Snider, Michael Kiske, Robert Mason, Jorn Lande, Bob Catley, Ronnie Atkins, Olli Hartmann and me have in common with Marco Hietala of Nightwish? Yes, we're all good looking, funny and amazingly talented… AND: we'll be on the new Avantasia album Ghostlights - out in January 2016.
About Marco: It was August 1997 and we were in Helsinki to mix the Vain Glory Opera album of Edguy when someone played the band Tarot to me. That great band seemed to be some sort of a legend in Finland (in Germany Tarot were not really known at the time). A few years later a band called Nightwish had appeared on the map and were about to take the European Metal world upside down. Edguy played a festival in England with Saxon and amongst others: Nightwish! I remember even though they had a great female vocalist how much I loved the rendition of Ozzy Osbourne's 'Crazy Train' that they did - if I remember correctly - which was sung by their bass player. You know, a lot of bass players are bass players because they wanna be in a band too; and there's only so much damage you can do to the sound of a band with just a bass. Sometimes they're only in the band because they talk enough to organize things or they have a day job to finance the first demo recordings, nice stage clothes, or sun glasses, but at the end of the day, most of them aren't taken seriously because… well, because they're bass players. smile emoticon And they're alway suspicious... wink emoticon Anyway - I don't need a bass player because I play bass myself (not as good as Marco, but I am the cheaper solution for my own project, ha!). AND Marco is more than a bass player, he is a proper musician! I have no clue why it took so long until I eventually asked Marco Hietala (that bass playing vocalist with the two beards and the voice!!) if he could imagine singing a role on an Avantasia album. Now it is happening! And the results kick ass! You will love it! We're putting together an epic Metal record I believe…
Furthermore Robert Mason (Warrant) can been confirmed to sing on the new album as well. Robert first made himself a name back in the early nineties as the lead singer in Lynch Mob. Robert is an amazing singer coming from what some would call a different musical world, and he contributed something very unique to the Avantasia world. He really gave the songs what they needed! You will hear it!
Now go to www.avantasia.net to see details, sign up for the mailing list (and be the first to learn about other shows and guest musicians), get information on the new album or just get a ticket for the tour of tours, the Metal Opera on the road: first show just sold out! Ha!
Cheerz, Tobi"

I LOVE Marco so this is awesome
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on October 30, 2015, 06:26:07 AM
I can take or leave Marco, but I don't mind a bit of Tarot, so I'm cool with this.  Great diversity once again, well done Tobi.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Evermind on October 30, 2015, 07:51:59 AM
NOW WE BE TALKING!!

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MARCO HIETALA (NIGHTWISH) ON NEW AVANTASIA ALBUM

I LOVE Marco so this is awesome

Now this makes me extremely excited.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on October 30, 2015, 10:00:47 AM
Too many chefs in the kitchen.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Evermind on October 30, 2015, 10:04:39 AM
Now that you mention it, 10 vocalists could be too many. I would've reduced it to 7-8 (like what we had on TMoT). I think I would've cut Geoff Tate (obviously), Ronnie Atkins, Oliver Hartmann from the list. Wouldn't mind seeing Catley replaced with someone new too.

Anyway, I trust Tobi will pull it off.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on October 30, 2015, 11:14:34 AM
Too many chefs in the kitchen.

There is only chef; it is Tobi.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: MirrorMask on October 30, 2015, 12:55:53 PM
I'm a huge Avantasia fan as well, and I trust blindly Tobi with his choices, he's always put out excellent albums. Until he will actually release a turd, I will go into any new release with the absolute certainty that it will bloody rock.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Deathless on October 31, 2015, 11:47:44 AM
From Bravewords (https://bravewords.com/news/avantasia-mastermind-tobias-sammet-i-just-received-the-pre-mix-of-the-new-geoff-tate-track-reminds-me-of-his-queensryche-rage-for-order-era):

Quote
AVANTASIA Mastermind TOBIAS SAMMET - "I Just Received The Pre-Mix Of The New GEOFF TATE Track; Reminds Me Of His QUEENSRŸCHE Rage For Order Era"
""Folks, I've just received the pre-mix of the new Avantasia/Geoff Tate track - it's a seven-and-a-half minute-monster, and I AM SPEECHLESS! Geoff has made it a killer; reminds me of his Rage For Order era. I grew up with Queensryche, Geoff influenced a lot of us singer people, and listening to that track I know why. Can't wait to unleash the new album: I have a huge smile on my face!""

 :huh:
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on October 31, 2015, 01:59:43 PM
I saw that.. Yikes.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: jingle.boy on October 31, 2015, 02:04:03 PM
I saw that.. Yikes.

Tobi's gonna lose a lot of cred if this is the same-old same-old Tate.  If not, Tate's fans should lynch him for what he has been putting out on his own for the las 10 years.

Maybe it's all an elaborate ruse. Maybe it's really LaTorre that recorded this!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: ErHaO on October 31, 2015, 03:12:16 PM
Well, maybe Tate is just lazy on his new records so that he can be lazy on stage? Eh, I don't know... In the studio they can do piece by piece and he can try a powerful note 200 times and it would even be fine if just one of them is actually powerful. At the very least I expect a good performance now (though remaining realistic).

Marco, however  :metal  I have blind faith in that being awesome.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on November 01, 2015, 03:29:26 AM
Don't know what the hell to make of this.  it leaves me a bit worries to be honest.  At least it sounds like Tate is only on one song.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: TAC on November 01, 2015, 05:45:29 AM
I've been on record from the start saying that whatever Tate has in him, Tobi will get his best. Maybe it'll be a wake up call for him.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on November 01, 2015, 01:53:15 PM
Maybe his performance was tweaked and 'polished' greatly in the mixing stage. Who knows, I don't know what to expect of this lol.

Always pumped for an Avantasia album, but Tate has been pretty 'eh' for the past couple years.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Evermind on November 02, 2015, 12:45:32 AM
Quote
THE WORLD TOUR IS TAKING SHAPE!

First European GHOSTLIGHTS shows are about to sell out, while new territories are being confirmed: Recently added - Moscow, Arena - April 6. Russia has always been great for Avantasia, and we can't wait to be back!

Big European announcement tomorrow, we will keep you posted!

Hell yeah. :metal
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: bl5150 on November 02, 2015, 12:58:55 AM
inb4 Chad

 :censored Europeans  ;D
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: Lowdz on November 02, 2015, 02:40:09 AM
Well, maybe Tate is just lazy on his new records so that he can be lazy on stage? Eh, I don't know... In the studio they can do piece by piece and he can try a powerful note 200 times and it would even be fine if just one of them is actually powerful. At the very least I expect a good performance now (though remaining realistic).

Marco, however  :metal  I have blind faith in that being awesome.

Maybe. As Tate is reliant on others to write the songs and is the boss (other than his wife :biggrin:) maybe he hasn't been inspired or pushed. At least the songwriting will be quality, something he hasn't had in twenty years.

I'd be happier with him narrating as his speaking voice has always had a pleasant tone. And his performances on recent Albums has been little more than talking.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: wolfking on November 02, 2015, 04:00:50 AM
Maybe his performance was tweaked and 'polished' greatly in the mixing stage. Who knows, I don't know what to expect of this lol.

Always pumped for an Avantasia album, but Tate has been pretty 'eh' for the past couple years.

That's the understatement of the century bro.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: jingle.boy on November 02, 2015, 06:12:04 AM
Hey Kade... how's about you change the thread title?
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New Edguy - Space Police
Post by: cramx3 on November 02, 2015, 06:44:15 AM
I wonder if that big European Tour announcement will be related to festivals and maybe Wacken again?

Anyway, I bet Geoff is only in that one song, would make sense since the large amount of singers and he isn't touring so I doubt he plays a large role on the album.

I will hold my jugdement until I hear, like others have said, he could have gotten some studio touch up and maybe will sound amazing.  Who knows.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v Kade, Chad wants you.
Post by: Nick on November 02, 2015, 09:08:10 AM
Hey Kade... how's about you change the thread title?

No worries, I got ya bud.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v Kade, Chad wants you.
Post by: Evermind on November 02, 2015, 09:10:09 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v Kade, Chad wants you.
Post by: wolfking on November 02, 2015, 01:28:45 PM
 :lol  I totally forgot that I made the thread.  :facepalm:  Should be onto that.  I'll change it once Chad sees it first.  :lol
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v Kade, Chad wants you.
Post by: jingle.boy on November 02, 2015, 06:16:52 PM
:lol  I totally forgot that I made the thread.  :facepalm:  Should be onto that.  I'll change it once Chad sees it first.  :lol

The sooner the better!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: wolfking on November 03, 2015, 04:08:34 AM
(https://assets.blabbermouth.net/media/geofftatewinegermany_638.jpg)

 :rollin
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: bl5150 on November 03, 2015, 04:09:50 AM
Tater's wine is the berry vest money can buy :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: wolfking on November 03, 2015, 04:21:37 AM
Tater's wine is the berry vest money can buy :neverusethis:

Haha.  Looks like he's in the vines of a stranger!  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: bl5150 on November 03, 2015, 04:23:37 AM
You mean Operation Vinecrime  :hat
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: wolfking on November 03, 2015, 04:28:03 AM
 :lol

Looks like he's taking a Walk in the Vineyards.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: ZKX-2099 on November 04, 2015, 08:48:35 AM
So I just checked out some Edguy albums. Turns out they're awesome as fuck.

Why didn't any of you tell me? Really letting me down, bros.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: NotePad on November 04, 2015, 09:23:18 AM
So I just checked out some Edguy albums. Turns out they're awesome as fuck.

Why didn't any of you tell me? Really letting me down, bros.


Check out all thei albums. There seems to be two different periods of the band, musically. I prefer everything from Hellfire Club until the present. But their album The Savage Poetry from 2000 is phenomenal.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: Lowdz on November 04, 2015, 09:31:01 AM
So I just checked out some Edguy albums. Turns out they're awesome as fuck.

Why didn't any of you tell me? Really letting me down, bros.

Didn't realise it was a secret  :lol :biggrin:
for me the run of mandrake, hellfire club and rocket ride is awesome. Space police was a return to form after two average albums
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: NotePad on November 04, 2015, 09:34:27 AM
It's odd, a lot of people don't see Space Police as being a return to form. I actually do, just a bit more "progressive" and it had a production sound we haven't heardnfrom them before. But musically there is lots of power metal.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: jingle.boy on November 04, 2015, 11:52:09 AM
So I just checked out some Edguy albums. Turns out they're awesome as fuck.

Why didn't any of you tell me? Really letting me down, bros.

Didn't realise it was a secret  :lol :biggrin:
for me the run of mandrake, hellfire club and rocket ride is awesome. Space police was a return to form after two average albums

Take note... Lowdz knows his shit.

Some of the lyrics can be cringe-worthy (on all of the above), but overall, top notch stuff.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: wolfking on November 04, 2015, 09:20:34 PM
So I just checked out some Edguy albums. Turns out they're awesome as fuck.

Why didn't any of you tell me? Really letting me down, bros.

That's why I made the thread bro.  :tup

So I just checked out some Edguy albums. Turns out they're awesome as fuck.

Why didn't any of you tell me? Really letting me down, bros.

Didn't realise it was a secret  :lol :biggrin:
for me the run of mandrake, hellfire club and rocket ride is awesome. Space police was a return to form after two average albums

Take note... Lowdz knows his shit.

Some of the lyrics can be cringe-worthy (on all of the above), but overall, top notch stuff.

I wouldn't say it's a return to form in regards to style, but quality, yeah, a big step up from the two albums that came before it.

Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: ZKX-2099 on November 05, 2015, 06:59:02 AM
Yeah, I'm working my way backward. Really digging Rocket Ride the most right now.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: bl5150 on November 05, 2015, 07:02:58 AM
Yeah, I'm working my way backward. Really digging Rocket Ride the most right now.

That's my fave too.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: Lowdz on November 05, 2015, 01:18:23 PM
Yeah, I'm working my way backward. Really digging Rocket Ride the most right now.

That's my fave too.

And mine.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: wolfking on November 05, 2015, 02:49:00 PM
Yeah, I'm working my way backward. Really digging Rocket Ride the most right now.

That's my fave too.

And mine.

Probably mine also.  That album aged really well, and is still a joy to listen too.  Mandrake and Hellfire would both push for a close second.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: jingle.boy on November 06, 2015, 07:12:21 AM
Quote
SHARON DEN ADEL ON NEW AVANTASIA ALBUM
We've come full circle: Within Temptation's Sharon Den Adel is back! It was spring 2000 when someone played me a song featuring an amazing vocalist called Sharon Den Adel. I had just begun to work on what was to become the first Avantasia album "The Metal Opera". I contacted Sharon who was really cool and after listening to the song "Farewell" she agreed on singing a role on "The Metal Opera". She turned Farewell into a magical tune, and after the vocal session she sent me a letter - which I still have - saying "If you ever need me again you know where to find me!"
Now, 15 years later I took her up on the offer dating back to the year 2000. smile emoticon I had this tune that was just right for Sharon, and she listened, and she liked it, and she agreed! And I am soooo grateful that she is back in Avantasia! You will hear it when 'Ghostlights' hits the stores on January 29! Sharon has such a wonderful distinctive voice, very emotional, beautiful, technical, she is so unique, and I am extremely happy that our paths have crossed once again! Sharon, ik dank u wel! You rock! - Tobi
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: Lowdz on November 06, 2015, 09:24:32 AM
Nice. Sharon is gorgeous, with an equally gorgeous voice. I have a major crush...
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: NotePad on November 06, 2015, 09:54:18 AM

Hellfire Club is the perfect mix of old and new Edguy. Its got the straightforward power of the early stuff, but at the same time has the same sound as their newer stuff thanks to the production. I really wouldn't mind another Hellfire Club from them. I don't know if that will ever happen. Oddly enough though, Space Police is a lot like Hellfire Club while at the same time sounding very very different. Doesn't make sense, but you know what I mean..
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: cramx3 on November 06, 2015, 11:54:50 AM
Yay for Sharon to be back!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: MirrorMask on November 06, 2015, 12:52:06 PM
Hellfire Club has their best song ever, The Piper Never Ever Ever Ever Ever Ever Ever Ever Ever Ever Dies.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: wolfking on November 06, 2015, 03:44:37 PM
Sharon is cool.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 06, 2015, 04:23:20 PM
Wow January's gonna be a great music month.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: NotePad on November 07, 2015, 09:37:56 AM
No , one of the best Edguy songs is Rise of Morning Glory. It's amazing and it's essentially about nothing.

We need more Edguy votes!!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: wolfking on November 08, 2015, 03:05:17 AM
No , one of the best Edguy songs is Rise of Morning Glory. It's amazing and it's essentially about nothing.

Huh?  Do you even know what the song is about?
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: MirrorMask on November 08, 2015, 04:00:23 AM
I do  ;D
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: wolfking on November 08, 2015, 08:08:31 PM
I do  ;D

As do I.  It's hardly about nothing.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: Lowdz on November 09, 2015, 09:50:38 AM
I do  ;D

As do I.  It's hardly about nothing.

I see what you did there  :o
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: NotePad on November 09, 2015, 01:10:21 PM
I do, and it might as well be about nothing.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: wolfking on November 09, 2015, 01:31:31 PM
I do, and it might as well be about nothing.

What? It's not about Seinfeld.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: TAC on November 11, 2015, 02:04:14 PM
https://bravewords.com/news/bruce-dickinson-paul-stanley-steven-tyler-jon-bon-jovi-and-meat-loaf-top-avantasia-mastermind-tobias-sammets-guest-vocalist-wish-list-audio
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: cramx3 on November 11, 2015, 03:51:13 PM
That would be amazing if they got some of those top notch high profile singers at some point, but I don't see it, hence it's only his wishes. 
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: bl5150 on November 11, 2015, 03:56:05 PM
Let's see if he can get Tate to sound good before he attempts Meatloaf  :rollin
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: wolfking on November 11, 2015, 07:28:32 PM
Let's see if he can get Tate to sound good before he attempts Meatloaf  :rollin

Well played.  :lol

He has mentioned Dickinson every time an album comes along too I've noticed.  I remember him saying he has always been super jealous of Arjen for getting Bruce on board on Migrator.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: Kwyjibo on November 12, 2015, 12:00:53 AM
And Arjen always replied that he was super jealous because Tobias got Alice Cooper for The Scarecrow.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: wolfking on November 12, 2015, 03:34:05 AM
And Arjen always replied that he was super jealous because Tobias got Alice Cooper for The Scarecrow.

Yeah, that's it, true.  I remember that also.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: Nick on November 12, 2015, 11:10:59 PM
And Arjen always replied that he was super jealous because Tobias got Alice Cooper for The Scarecrow.

Yeah, that's it, true.  I remember that also.

It's almost like they did an EP together founded on this very thing...

https://smile.amazon.com/Elected-Ayreon/dp/B0016IV1SU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1447395097&sr=8-1&keywords=ayreon+elected

:p
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: wolfking on November 13, 2015, 04:10:01 AM
How could I have forgotten that?  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: cramx3 on November 13, 2015, 04:11:16 AM
Quote
GHOSTLIGHTS ARTWORK AND TRACK LIST REVEALED
AVANTASIA's outstanding 7th album, »Ghostlights«, will be released worldwide on January 29th, 2016 via Nuclear Blast. Today, Tobias proudly presents the cover and announces the tracklists as well as the various formats, in which the upcoming record will be available.
The opus features guest appearances of Dee Snider, Geoff Tate, Marco Hietala, Sharon Den Adel, Michael Kiske, Ronnie Atkins, Bob Catley, Jorn Lande, Bruce Kulick, Robert Mason, Herbie Langhans, Oliver Hartmann and Sascha Paeth.
The record contains twelve songs and was produced by Tobias and Sascha Paeth in Gatestudio Wolfsburg, Germany. Paeth is responsible for engineering and mixing »Ghostlights«, too. Mastering was done by Michael Rodenberg.
The instrumentalists on »Ghostlights« are the following:
Sascha Paeth - rhythm guitars, lead guitars, bass, additional keys
Michael Rodenberg - orchestration, keys
Tobias Sammet - additional keys and bass
Bruce Kulick - lead guitars
Oliver Hartmann - lead guitars
Felix Bohnke - drums
CD
01. Mystery Of A Blood Red Rose 3:51
02. Let The Storm Descend Upon You 12:09
03. The Haunting 4:42
04. Seduction Of Decay 7:18
05. Ghostlights 5:43
06. Draconian Love 4:58
07. Master Of The Pendulum 5:01
08. Isle Of Evermore 4:28
09. Babylon Vampyres 7:09
10. Lucifer 3:48
11. Unchain The Light 5:03
12. A Restless Heart And Obsidian Skies 5:53
2 CD DIGIBOOK
CD 1
01. Mystery Of A Blood Red Rose
02. Let The Storm Descend Upon You
03. The Haunting
04. Seduction Of Decay
05. Ghostlights
06. Draconian Love
07. Master Of The Pendulum
08. Isle Of Evermore
09. Babylon Vampyres
10. Lucifer
11. Unchain The Light
12. A Restless Heart And Obsidian Skies
13. Wake Up To The Moon (Bonus Track)
CD 2 (Bonus Disc - AVANTASIA live)
01. Spectres
02. Invoke The Machine
03. The Story Ain't Over
04. Prelude
05. Reach Out For The Light
06. Avantasia
07. Whats Left Of Me
08. Dying For An Angel
09. Twisted Mind
10. The Watchmakers' Dream
11. Another Angel Down
3 CD DELUXE EDITION BOOK
(incl. 68page photo book ca. 28,5 x 28,5cm)
+ CD 3 (Karaoke Version of CD 1 w/o bonus track)
01. Mystery Of A Blood Red Rose
02. Let The Storm Descend Upon You
03. The Haunting
04. Seduction Of Decay
05. Ghostlights
06. Draconian Love
07. Master Of The Pendulum
08. Isle Of Evermore
09. Babylon Vampyres
10. Lucifer
11. Unchain The Light
12. A Restless Heart And Obsidian Skies

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfl1/v/t1.0-9/12241373_10153524130313889_3872633427852209691_n.jpg?oh=ad3441161cf2ba80d6971684143c23ae&oe=56AE94BD)
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: wolfking on November 13, 2015, 04:14:52 AM
Amazing cover.

I'll probably stick to the 2CD edition, gotta have the live cd.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights feat The Tater
Post by: cramx3 on November 13, 2015, 04:18:36 AM
Yea the live CD is a really nice addition to the album
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on November 13, 2015, 04:29:14 AM
January 29th is gonna be a good day.  This, Primal Fear and Serenity.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kwyjibo on November 13, 2015, 05:34:14 AM
Yeah, the live disc seems like a good addition, the karaoke version probably only for the Tate track.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bl5150 on November 13, 2015, 05:36:21 AM
Yeah, the live disc seems like a good addition, the karaoke version probably only for the Tate track.

 :lol

That's thoughtful of Tobi - so everyone can do their own improved version of the Tate track.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on November 13, 2015, 06:30:32 AM
Love the artwork! It looks like a return to the Wicked Trilogy style.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on November 13, 2015, 08:08:07 AM
I'm extremely excited about this (especially about Let The Storm Descend Upon You track) and I'll probably get the 3CD earbook. My birthday is 19th February, so it'll be kind of a birthday present for me from myself. :lol

I'm not sure about some track names, like Babylon Vampires or Lucifer. Well, as long as the music is good.

Also, guest appearance by Herbie Langhans? I don't recall that being announced before. I love his performance on Beyond the Bridge album.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on November 13, 2015, 09:28:36 AM
Whoa, I didn't even notice that. Awesome! :metal
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: gazinwales on November 13, 2015, 12:25:22 PM
I made a wallpaper with a Ghostlights theme along with the other NB Avantasia releases.
If anyone wants a full size with custom size (please specify) resolution, PM me.

(https://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm308/gazinwales/Ghostlights%20II.jpg) (https://s299.photobucket.com/user/gazinwales/media/Ghostlights%20II.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on November 13, 2015, 01:00:32 PM
That's very cool, Gaz!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on November 13, 2015, 01:21:56 PM
Lovely cover! Surely, it beats over that blue and yellow thing, but damn if it's good!

Stoked for this release, just as for anything Avantasia related!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on November 13, 2015, 03:43:18 PM
You're missing the best two albums on that wallpaper though.  ;D
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: gazinwales on November 13, 2015, 04:38:10 PM
I am?
Which one are you talking about?
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on November 13, 2015, 04:48:48 PM
The Metal Opera part I and II  ;)

Incidentally, while I'll never deny the huge awesomeness those albums are filled with, while growing up I found my musical tastes changed and steered away from pure power metal, so while I'll always praise songs The Seven Angels, Sign of the Cross, Avantasia and the likes, I find myself more aligned with the more "mature" and eclectic direction Tobi took Avantasia in, so I don't really "miss" the Metal Opera... having a lot of fun should I happen to hear those songs live or otherwise? hell yes, but going back to listen to them instead of the more recent albums? no. Can't remember the last time I spinned from start to finish the Metal Opera, while from time to time I still enjoy immensely the Scarecrow album and its successors.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on November 13, 2015, 04:56:27 PM
I am?
Which one are you talking about?

Just the first two bro, it's all good.  Just having a laugh.

I do get what Mask is saying though.  Even though I love the first two, I'm happy where Tobi is taking the band.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on November 13, 2015, 05:04:40 PM
The Metal Opera part I and II  ;)

Incidentally, while I'll never deny the huge awesomeness those albums are filled with, while growing up I found my musical tastes changed and steered away from pure power metal, so while I'll always praise songs The Seven Angels, Sign of the Cross, Avantasia and the likes, I find myself more aligned with the more "mature" and eclectic direction Tobi took Avantasia in, so I don't really "miss" the Metal Opera... having a lot of fun should I happen to hear those songs live or otherwise? hell yes, but going back to listen to them instead of the more recent albums? no. Can't remember the last time I spinned from start to finish the Metal Opera, while from time to time I still enjoy immensely the Scarecrow album and its successors.

I kind of feel this way as well.  The straight power metal is often hit or miss for me.  The first two albums are good, but its the stuff that came after that really gets me going.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on November 14, 2015, 02:03:24 AM
So, Jorn sings on three tracks, Michael Kiske, Ronnie Atkins and Robert Mason are on two songs each, and other musicians got only one track to sing. Tobias is on all songs of course.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on November 14, 2015, 11:59:05 AM
So, Jorn sings on three tracks, Michael Kiske, Ronnie Atkins and Robert Mason are on two songs each, and other musicians got only one track to sing. Tobias is on all songs of course.

Nice, sounds about right for what I would have guessed and not much different than the past
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on November 15, 2015, 03:41:54 AM
Tate would have been pissed when he found out he was only on one song and Jorn got three.  :lol

I'm very happy Ronnie gets an extra track.  I'd love to hear Catley a bit more though.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on November 15, 2015, 04:46:08 AM
Tate would have been pissed when he found out he was only on one song and Jorn got three.  :lol

I'm very happy Ronnie gets an extra track.  I'd love to hear Catley a bit more though.

:lol

I'm a bit tired of Tobias using Catley to sing on the last track on the past two albums (AoB and TMoT) - and on this one too. Shelter from the Rain was a welcome exception from this rule on The Scarecrow, and the song ended up being fantastic.

Does anyone know if Catley will join the tour again? Tobi got Kiske and Jorn on tour, and if they got Catley, I'm hoping for Runaway Train return to the setlist.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on November 15, 2015, 05:31:33 AM
Please yes! I'd love to hear Runaway Train, missed it on the Mystery of Time tour...
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on November 15, 2015, 05:37:02 AM
Indeed! I also hope they'll play The Scarecrow (the song) again, since they have Jorn with them. I've heard it on TMoT tour with Ronnie, but I want to hear the proper version live. This song is too good to leave it out of the setlist.

In fact, I'll settle for these three epics: The Scarecrow, Runaway Train and the new one. If we get Saviour on the Clockwork again along with these three, that will be even better.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on November 15, 2015, 07:02:11 AM
In fact, I'll settle for these three epics: The Scarecrow, Runaway Train and the new one. If we get Saviour on the Clockwork again along with these three, that will be even better.

This would be epic.  Those are possibly my favorite songs by them.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on November 15, 2015, 09:33:05 PM
I never really rated Runaway Train.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on November 16, 2015, 09:31:42 AM
Pre-orders are up on Nuclear Blast page. I think I'll be getting this one.

https://www.nuclearblast.de/en/products/tontraeger/cd/buch-cd-cd/avantasia-ghostlights-earbook-deluxe.html

Will place the order tomorrow.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on November 16, 2015, 10:22:34 AM
I will wait until it's on Amazon.  Not inclined to drop $28 CAD on a 2-CD set + NB's shipping costs.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on November 16, 2015, 10:25:38 AM
Yeah, for the regular CD or digibook edition I would be inclined to wait for Amazon pre-orders too. I doubt they'll be selling the deluxe though, it's probably a strictly limited edition seeing how they give out the certificates and so on.

Anyway, I already knew I would be dropping a lot of money for this one, so yeah, the price is about what I expected.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: gazinwales on November 16, 2015, 11:32:24 AM
It will not be on Amazon, it's a NB Mailorder exclusive.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on November 22, 2015, 01:11:23 PM
https://www.stormbringer.at/storys/293/avantasia-ghostlights-track-by-track.html

German track by track review. Google translate does a decent job after all, you get the overall meaning.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on November 22, 2015, 09:46:28 PM
He's saying he didn't like TMOT much, so I'll take his opinion with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on November 23, 2015, 03:45:29 AM
He's saying he didn't like TMOT much, so I'll take his opinion with a grain of salt.

I don't know how you could be a fan and not like that album.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on November 23, 2015, 08:26:16 AM
He's saying he didn't like TMOT much, so I'll take his opinion with a grain of salt.

Ugh yea, seriously.  That album is amazing.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on November 23, 2015, 10:06:05 AM
It's not bad, but definitely low-tier Avantasia.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on November 23, 2015, 10:13:20 AM
It's not bad, but definitely low-tier Avantasia.

I'll take your opinion with a grain of salt too.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on November 23, 2015, 12:44:17 PM
Well, but if he likes the new album while not being warm to The Mystery of Time, those of us who like the album should enjoy it even more!

They can't be that terribly different in style, same songwriter and same story / mood overall, it can't be different like The Metal Opera and The Scarecrow.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on November 23, 2015, 02:02:52 PM
It's not bad, but definitely low-tier Avantasia.

I'll take your opinion with a grain of salt too.

You'll take that fucker without any seasoning and you'll LIKE it. :P
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on November 23, 2015, 04:43:02 PM
TMOT was a big grower I found.  I was rewarded though with multiple listens.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bosk1 on November 23, 2015, 06:25:22 PM
I missed a lot of the prior discussion, and there are more pages to read through than I have time, so forgive me if this has been asked:  Is this one a continuation of the story in TMOT?  I assume it is, but I'm not really a long-time fan of the band and do not follow them that closely.  (I only discovered them with TMOT and have not delved into their other material)
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on November 23, 2015, 06:29:38 PM
I have no idea actually.  I just assumed it was a new story.  I never followed TMOT story though.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on November 23, 2015, 06:31:57 PM
I thought Tobi mentioned that TMOT was the first in a trilogy. And no, there is no link. ;D
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on November 23, 2015, 06:33:17 PM
That's cool then.  I should revisit TMOT and try and follow the story then.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on November 23, 2015, 08:54:53 PM
I thought Tobi mentioned that TMOT was the first in a trilogy. And no, there is no link. ;D

This I recall as well.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on November 23, 2015, 09:29:32 PM
I thought this should be a second part of the story, but seeing how some titles are not really TMOT-esque, I'm not sure.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on November 24, 2015, 09:01:28 AM
I dont recall in any of the news updates on this album, there being any mention of the story for this album.  You would think Tobi would say that if it was the case?
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on November 24, 2015, 09:57:02 AM
I dont recall in any of the news updates on this album, there being any mention of the story for this album.  You would think Tobi would say that if it was the case?

I don't know, there's this quote:

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The original is back! EDGUY frontman Tobias Sammet has returned to the studio to work on the new chapter of AVANTASIA. The sequel to the successful latest album "The Mystery Of Time" will be called "Ghostlights" and is scheduled to be released in early 2016.

The bolded, especially "the sequel" makes me think it's the second part of the story. With the band like Avantasia where every album is a concept one you just don't call something "the sequel" if it's not a continuation of the story unfinished.

Anyway, the news from Avantasia FB!

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New single MYSTERY OF A BLOOD RED ROSE

Christmas is drawing near, and I got my "Nutcracker suit" on already! If you listen to the TOBIAS SAMMET ROCKSHOW on RadioBob (radiobob.de) on DEC 9th, 21:00 German Time you will get a world-exclusive pre-listening of the new Avantasia tune.

On December 11th it'll be available from iTunes officially.

Mystery Of A Blood Red Rose is a song I originally wrote with Meat Loaf in the back of my mind - but for some reason the collaboration didn't happen, so I did the song myself. The choirs alone took more than 40 hours to arrange and record - for a 4 minute song!!! That pretty much says it all. Anything worth doing is worth overdoing and 'More is more'! Have a great day! - The nutcracker aka Tobi



Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Lowdz on November 24, 2015, 11:19:44 AM
This bit from the track by track

"Geoff Tate's vocals are slightly distorted and carry a slightly mysterious touch to the outside."


Made me  :biggrin: but then I realised it's an avantasia album he's ruining and I was  >:(
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bosk1 on November 24, 2015, 11:34:53 AM
I dont recall in any of the news updates on this album, there being any mention of the story for this album.  You would think Tobi would say that if it was the case?

I don't know, there's this quote:

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The original is back! EDGUY frontman Tobias Sammet has returned to the studio to work on the new chapter of AVANTASIA. The sequel to the successful latest album "The Mystery Of Time" will be called "Ghostlights" and is scheduled to be released in early 2016.

The bolded, especially "the sequel" makes me think it's the second part of the story. With the band like Avantasia where every album is a concept one you just don't call something "the sequel" if it's not a continuation of the story unfinished.

True, but sometimes news outlets use the terms "sequel" or "follow-up" very loosely in place of "the next album after..."  I think you are right, but just saying, it isn't NECESSARILY clear.

This bit from the track by track

"Geoff Tate's vocals are slightly distorted and carry a slightly mysterious touch to the outside."


Made me  :biggrin: but then I realised it's an avantasia album he's ruining and I was  >:(

Yeah, but at the end of the day, maybe having some distortion or other effects on Geoff's vocals will make them more palatable.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on November 24, 2015, 11:41:18 AM
I always had the impression this was part 2 of 2, not of a trilogy... for sure it will be the continuation of the Mystery of Time storyline, but I'm pretty sure it will end here.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Lowdz on November 24, 2015, 12:49:16 PM
Tate uses that  distorted approach a lot and it doesn't help on his bands albums.
It's a pretty big indication that even tobi couldn't get anything decent out of him.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on November 24, 2015, 12:53:38 PM
The word sequel does imply it follows up on the story, I must have just missed that.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on November 24, 2015, 02:53:27 PM
I'm sure Tobi did what he could with Tate.  He wouldn't ruin his project if a singer wasn't up to it, he'd make them listenable.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: gazinwales on December 10, 2015, 05:27:17 AM
New song
https://youtu.be/PjRq72ZBZxs

Not too bad at all even though it sounds a bit like Meat****
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Bolsters on December 10, 2015, 05:55:53 AM
Meatdick? Meatarse? Meatcunt? I'm not sure what it is you're saying.

Not a bad song.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: McNugg on December 10, 2015, 06:31:55 AM
Glad i'm not the only one that thought it :D  As soon as I first heard it I thought "Oh god, he's gone full Meatloaf".

Not that that's a bad thing, but...it's not exactly inspiring.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on December 10, 2015, 06:32:59 AM
Bat Out Of Hell Part 8!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bl5150 on December 10, 2015, 06:48:16 AM
He's gone back to basics with a Meat and Taters approach .
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on December 10, 2015, 08:18:36 AM
Bat Out Of Hell Part 8!

Yep. The song is alright, but I'm counting on something more original on the rest of the album.

Also, this must be the weakest opener of Avantasia album so far for me. Tobi was always great with openers, I mean, Reach Out for the Light was outstanding, The Seven Angels is :hefdaddy , Twisted Mind is harsh, in your face and perfectly fitting for the trilogy's theme, The Wicked Symphony is fantastic, Stargazers is very good and has an epic Jorn ending, Spectres is dramatic and awesome. Mystery of a Blood Red Rose? Well, it's alright but I don't think it's as good as any of these songs.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bosk1 on December 10, 2015, 09:12:13 AM
I had forgotten that this thread even had a poll.   I guess I'll have to vote for Avantasia.  I've never heard Edguy, but that is just too dumb a name for a band to be taken seriously.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on December 10, 2015, 09:50:14 AM
Speaking of band names, I sometimes happen to wear my Avantasia TMOT tour t-shirt in the office and three people have already mixed up Avantasia with Anastasia (a female name quite popular in Russia), asking a question along the lines "who is this Anastasia girl?"
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: NotePad on December 10, 2015, 10:52:31 AM
I seem to remember Kiske is only singing on one song? That's oddly disappointing, considering my distaste towards him.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on December 10, 2015, 10:54:29 AM
I seem to remember Kiske is only singing on one song? That's oddly disappointing, considering my distaste towards him.

You remember wrong, I think Kiske's on two. :angel:
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on December 10, 2015, 03:13:33 PM
Didn't Tobi say he was going for a Meatloaf approach and feel with this song?

Going to listen now.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on December 10, 2015, 03:27:45 PM
This song is really great IMO.  I'm not a Meatloaf fan but know his hits, but still I don't see the big Meatloaf reference here.  There's a section of the verse that's taken from Gamma Ray's Armageddon.  Maybe they took that from Meatloaf.  :lol

Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on December 10, 2015, 03:34:57 PM
I really like the song.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on December 10, 2015, 03:39:38 PM
This song is really great IMO.  I'm not a Meatloaf fan but know his hits, but still I don't see the big Meatloaf reference here.  There's a section of the verse that's taken from Gamma Ray's Armageddon.  Maybe they took that from Meatloaf.  :lol

Backing vocals in particular are a huge vibe from the Loaf, as well as the melodies in general.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on December 10, 2015, 03:48:10 PM
Yeah I sorta hear it and can see why people would say that.  But there's nothing totally ripping him off or anything to me.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Lowdz on December 10, 2015, 04:07:43 PM
As a meat loaf fan (sometimes) I definitely hear the big man in this and could picture his voice on it as I was listening. Nice song. Hoping for better on the album though.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jcmoorehead on December 10, 2015, 04:47:07 PM
I'm a massive Meat Loaf fan and I can definitely hear that style in there, definitely a huge Steinman influence going on here. Really like the song.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on December 10, 2015, 04:54:39 PM
I think this song is really stellar.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: gazinwales on December 11, 2015, 09:50:15 PM
From MR Forum:

It was actually written with the intention Meat Loaf sang it ... but his management didn't even let him hear it (see Tobias interview in new Fireworks, out next week)
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on December 11, 2015, 10:09:40 PM
Interested to see that interview as to why he didnt sing this song, its clearly a meatloaf inspired song so it sucks Tobi couldnt get who he wanted on this.

As for the song, its good, but really not something that is getting me hyped about this album. 
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on December 12, 2015, 06:29:11 AM
One thing I am going to miss from The Mystery Of Time is Russell Gilbrook's drumming. I thought it was stellar and really carried that album.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on December 17, 2015, 01:47:11 PM
Got this in my inbox:

SUPER LIMITED DELUXE EDITION - 3 CDs & large 68-pages hard cover book!

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The new album GHOSTLIGHTS will also be available in a super limited special edition including a 68 pages book with dozens of unseen pictures. The edition contains 3 CDs:

DISC 1 - the original CD + bonus track "Wake Up To The Moon" (sung by Michael Kiske, Jorn Lande, Bob Catley, Ronnie Atkins, Robert Mason and Tobias Sammet
DISC 2 - a live CD mainly recorded in 2013 and 2014
DISC 3 - full of instrumental versions.

The SUPER LIMITED DELUXE EDITION will be a sought after collector's item - check it out here (https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B018UZNHHO/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1638&creative=6742&creativeASIN=B018UZNHHO&linkCode=as2&tag=wwwavantasian-21)

I'm all over this like a Cougar on a wounded chicken.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on December 17, 2015, 08:26:08 PM
I don't care about instrumental versions or fancy books anymore.  I'll probably stick with the 2CD.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on December 17, 2015, 09:18:40 PM
This must be the same edition I ordered from NB.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: gazinwales on December 17, 2015, 10:01:33 PM
I think the whole purpose of Avantasia, having the different singers, defeats an instrumental CD of being any real use.
I am not interested in the live CD either.
So I will get the vinyl picture disc and Japanese regular version with the obligatory bonus track.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on December 18, 2015, 04:24:38 AM
Yeah, an instrumental version makes no sense to me at all.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on December 18, 2015, 06:12:52 AM
Yeah, an instrumental version makes no sense to me at all.

Agreed... I wasn't so much interested in that as I was the picture book.  But €45 + shipping from amazon.de turns me off.  If it comes available on amazon.com, I'll reconsider.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on December 18, 2015, 07:51:09 AM
Im more interested in that bonus track than anything else
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on December 18, 2015, 07:59:35 AM
Instrumental versions of songs have only belated value. Why would one buy an album, listen to it, and then listen to the same album without the vocals while it's all still new? only when you know the songs inside out you can use the instrumental versions to concentrate more on the actual music and / or for some karaoke fun.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on December 20, 2015, 12:00:08 PM
From Avantasia FB:

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EUROPE, ASIA, AMERICA - more shows & countries tba soon!

Feels like Christmas drawing near: New album gets best reactions in my entire career (see below) and we'll bring this juggernaut around the world. Confirmed so far: Russia, Hungary, Spain, Italy, Japan, Brazil, England, France, Switzerland, Austria, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Sweden, Germany & MANY MORE COUNTRIES TBC SOON

Well, whoever complained they never come to NA, I think it may finally happen on this tour.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on December 20, 2015, 12:30:03 PM
That would be awesome!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on December 20, 2015, 02:55:21 PM
https://metalitalia.com/articolo/avantasia-lo-studio-report-di-ghostlights/

Lenghty italian studio report plus there's an interview with Sasha Paeth.

If you want have some fun with Google translator, here are the essentials:

Mystery..... well we all have heard it.

Let The Storm Descend Upon You is a complicated track, it looks like it may be about to end twice or thrice and then restarts again, heavy mid-tempo, it speeds up afterwards. Lot of details and vocal duels.

The Haunting has Dee Snider, but it's more in style with dark Alice Cooper, not Twisted Sister. Tobi wanted someone scary but not too much, a sinister approach that was not overly dangerous. Bluesy guitars.

Seduction Of Decay started as a tribute to Zeppelin's Black Dog, it evolved into something heavier and more sinister, Tate sings low and those tones suits him well. There are orchestrations with violins, there's somehow of a reminder of Suite Sister Mary.

Ghostlights is Kiske's song 'cause "no one else can sing high like him", classic power metal anthem.

Draconian Love is somehow gothic, mixes goth rock, soft Moonspell and power metal. Very low vocals by Herbie Langhans 'cause Tobi couldn't go that low.

Master Of The Pendulum is heavy and hard, both Tobi and Marco Hietala play evil characters. Riff is heavy as Edguy's Mysteria.

Isle Of Evermore is a new-age-ish ballad with Sharon. Described as a "bitter ballad".

Babylon Vampyres is a heavy song that showcases the guitar players, there are three solos, one is right at the beginning. It's all about the guitar work here it seems.

Lucifer is a ballad written for Jorn's voice, it's a piano piece. It ends when it seemed it could start into something heavier.

Unchain The Light is another power metallish song, the other one more in style with old Avantasia and Edguy, Kiske is in here as well.

A Restless Heart And Obsidian Skies is the classic Catley song, Tobi's part in it makes it heavier. Worthy closer.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on December 20, 2015, 03:39:26 PM
From Avantasia FB:

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EUROPE, ASIA, AMERICA - more shows & countries tba soon!

Feels like Christmas drawing near: New album gets best reactions in my entire career (see below) and we'll bring this juggernaut around the world. Confirmed so far: Russia, Hungary, Spain, Italy, Japan, Brazil, England, France, Switzerland, Austria, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Sweden, Germany & MANY MORE COUNTRIES TBC SOON

Well, whoever complained they never come to NA, I think it may finally happen on this tour.

I know I complained and am hoping they do, but that's not confirmation just yet of anything for N.A.  America could just as easily be S.A. which they are playing in Brazil.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on December 20, 2015, 04:02:33 PM


Ghostlights is Kiske's song 'cause "no one else can sing high like him", classic power metal anthem.
 

 :metal
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on December 20, 2015, 09:18:31 PM
From Avantasia FB:

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EUROPE, ASIA, AMERICA - more shows & countries tba soon!

Feels like Christmas drawing near: New album gets best reactions in my entire career (see below) and we'll bring this juggernaut around the world. Confirmed so far: Russia, Hungary, Spain, Italy, Japan, Brazil, England, France, Switzerland, Austria, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Sweden, Germany & MANY MORE COUNTRIES TBC SOON

Well, whoever complained they never come to NA, I think it may finally happen on this tour.

I know I complained and am hoping they do, but that's not confirmation just yet of anything for N.A.  America could just as easily be S.A. which they are playing in Brazil.

Yeah, I agree. However, I think I remember Tobi saying they'll play at least few shows in NA this time. I'll try to find the interview when I get home.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on December 20, 2015, 09:41:16 PM
Those song descriptions sound good.
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Post by: cramx3 on December 21, 2015, 05:32:45 AM
From Avantasia FB:

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EUROPE, ASIA, AMERICA - more shows & countries tba soon!

Feels like Christmas drawing near: New album gets best reactions in my entire career (see below) and we'll bring this juggernaut around the world. Confirmed so far: Russia, Hungary, Spain, Italy, Japan, Brazil, England, France, Switzerland, Austria, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Sweden, Germany & MANY MORE COUNTRIES TBC SOON

Well, whoever complained they never come to NA, I think it may finally happen on this tour.

I know I complained and am hoping they do, but that's not confirmation just yet of anything for N.A.  America could just as easily be S.A. which they are playing in Brazil.

Yeah, I agree. However, I think I remember Tobi saying they'll play at least few shows in NA this time. I'll try to find the interview when I get home.

oH realllyy.... not that would start to raise hopes. Hoping for a NYC date then.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on December 21, 2015, 05:41:32 AM
Those song descriptions sound good.

Agreed.  It even sounds like the Tater song might be tolerable.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on December 23, 2015, 08:58:16 AM
Alright, this is the interview I was talking about.

https://youtu.be/pXSOOLfvoNc?t=21m6s (from there until about 23:15)

Tobias says they'll probably do two shows in the US, one at the east coast and one at the west coast. He says they're also going to play in Canada.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on December 23, 2015, 09:05:49 AM
I would hope the one east coast show is in NYC, that would be amazing.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on December 23, 2015, 10:01:01 AM
He says they're also going to play in Canada.

:fistpump:

He did seem pretty impressed with the crowd in Quebec City a couple summer's ago, and suggested they would return.

10/10 show... would fly to Quebec again.
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Post by: Nick on December 23, 2015, 04:08:30 PM
I would hope the one east coast show is in NYC, that would be amazing.

Not saying it's 100% yet, but my magic 8-ball says that is indeed the likely scenario. ;)
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on December 23, 2015, 04:39:15 PM
I would hope the one east coast show is in NYC, that would be amazing.

Not saying it's 100% yet, but my magic 8-ball says that is indeed the likely scenario. ;)

Dont tease!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on December 25, 2015, 08:12:33 AM
New sampler from Ghostlights - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZqqlJ7lkJM&feature=youtu.be

I'm pleasantly surprised that Tate doesn't sound terrible.  Kiske is fantastic, as usual.  Everything else sounds good enough to pick this up on release day.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on December 25, 2015, 08:24:27 AM
I love it! Had chills a few times during these four minutes.

Not too sold on Let the Storm Descend Upon You chorus (I assume this was the chorus), I imagined it to be more heavy and in-your-face, but it's more anthemic instead. I'll wait until I hear the whole song though. Everything else was mindblowingly fantastic if you ask me.

I don't regret ordering the super deluxe edition at all. This album is going to be so fucking awesome.

Edit: oh, and I've read on FB Herbie Langhans will join the band on tour. Guess that means Draconian Love is in the setlist, and I hope he'll do some lead vocals on other songs too, like Ronnie Atkins and Eric Martin did Twisted Mind without Tobias on the previous tour, not just providing backing vocals and singing on one song like Thomas Rettke on the same tour.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on December 25, 2015, 10:32:37 AM
New sampler from Ghostlights - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZqqlJ7lkJM&feature=youtu.be

I'm pleasantly surprised that Tate doesn't sound terrible.  Kiske is fantastic, as usual.  Everything else sounds good enough to pick this up on release day.

I said Tobi would get the best Tate had. I'm not surprised. And that Kiske clip just gave me goosebumps. I literally have chills.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on December 25, 2015, 01:02:33 PM
Let the Storm... has a wonderful chorus, Master of the Pendulum's one is even better! The two Kiske songs are obviously great, I love in the title track (it must be the title track, the first Kiske clip Unchain the Light is mentioned) the faster part of the chorus with Tobi singing... Tate's song sound also good.

Boy we're in for a major treat!!!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on December 25, 2015, 06:22:27 PM
Sounds really fresh and inspired, this could possibly be classic, sounds wonderful.

Tate doesn't sound great, but he sounds passable.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Bolsters on December 25, 2015, 07:44:39 PM
I'm looking forward to this far more than I am the new DT album. They both release on the same day and if a situation should Arhys where I have both of them on hand to listen to, I'm putting on Ghostlights first.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on December 25, 2015, 08:08:08 PM
I'm looking forward to this far more than I am the new DT album. They both release on the same day and if a situation should Arhys where I have both of them on hand to listen to, I'm putting on Ghostlights first.

I'm looking forward to this and Primal Fear more than DT.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on December 25, 2015, 08:38:24 PM
I haven't even preordered new DT yet. New Avantasia excites me so much more it's not even a contest.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on December 26, 2015, 09:41:16 AM
I'm looking forward to this far more than I am the new DT album. They both release on the same day and if a situation should Arhys where I have both of them on hand to listen to, I'm putting on Ghostlights first.

I don't have any particular preference but damn it will be a drag to work all day, have only the evening free, and decide wether to listen to a 130 minutes album or a 70 minutes one. And I will see both bands live 3 days apart, in March!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: NotePad on December 29, 2015, 12:16:17 PM
Wow, is the new Avantasia out? I haven't been paying attention to this sort of thing.

I just heard the samples and I was surprised to hear something similar to the Metal Opera and classic Edguy. Didn't expect that.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on December 29, 2015, 12:25:48 PM
Wow, is the new Avantasia out? 

January 29th.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on December 29, 2015, 12:26:57 PM
It has been published by mistake on Spotify, then taken back.

Enough for people to do what people do in these cases, I won't bother since the quality will not even be that great.

One month of waiting, same for DT!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on December 29, 2015, 04:12:42 PM
I wasn't crazy about the single, but those samples are really awesome and have gotten me really anticipating this.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on December 29, 2015, 09:12:18 PM
I just heard the samples and I was surprised to hear something similar to the Metal Opera and classic Edguy. Didn't expect that.

I don't hear that at all.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: gazinwales on January 05, 2016, 06:49:34 PM
If anyone has any questions for Tobi, I am doing a phone interview with him on Friday night, hit me up.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on January 05, 2016, 08:18:02 PM
Ask him about trying to get Meatloaf to sing on the new song.

And ask if he thinks he's getting closer to getting Dickinson any time soon haha.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on January 05, 2016, 08:21:48 PM
When is he announcing the rest of the tour dates?
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on January 05, 2016, 08:35:10 PM
When is he bringing Avantasia to Australia?

He promised on the Edguy Hellfire Club tour he would be back in Brisbane and I'm still waiting haha
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kwyjibo on January 06, 2016, 01:23:00 AM
Why was Tate necessary? Was Todd LaTorre not available?  ;D
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: gazinwales on January 06, 2016, 01:29:12 AM
When is he bringing Avantasia to Australia?

He promised on the Edguy Hellfire Club tour he would be back in Brisbane and I'm still waiting haha

The answer to that is when an AU promoter books the venue's  ;D
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on January 06, 2016, 02:40:06 AM
About Meatloaf: I think Tobi asked him to participate and Meatloaf's management just said no, simple as that.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on January 06, 2016, 04:22:39 AM
When is he bringing Avantasia to Australia?

He promised on the Edguy Hellfire Club tour he would be back in Brisbane and I'm still waiting haha

The answer to that is when an AU promoter books the venue's  ;D

It would be interesting to see how much interest there would be in an Avantasia Australi tour.  I think it would surprisingly get a lot of people there.

About Meatloaf: I think Tobi asked him to participate and Meatloaf's management just said no, simple as that.

I think this really was a poor play by Meatloaf and his management.  It could have opened him up to a new audience.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: gazinwales on January 06, 2016, 11:45:41 AM
I was thinking the same thing myself, what size venue's could Avantasia potentially play in Australia?
I really think that they would need to be playing decent sized venue's that would warrant and justify them coming here.

The Enmore Theatre here in Sydney capacity is around 2,000 people.
That would be the minimum size venue and Nightwish are playing their on Saturday night and it is not sold out.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: gazinwales on January 06, 2016, 03:59:49 PM
Despite the shittiest sounding mp3's I've ever heard, the album is pretty good.

Needs a few more listens, but the Tate song (Seduction Of Decay) is my fave song.
The rest has it's moments, the title track is perhaps just a little on the, generic power metal fast songs by the numbers.
Of course Jorn sounds mega as per usual, but the real surprise is the very gothic sounding 'Darconian Love' this would be the strangest Avantasia song yet, but it works.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Lowdz on January 06, 2016, 05:01:20 PM
For those of you old enough to remember this, I wouldn't mind some Draconian Love...  :heart

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/af/96/77/af96777b23c430db88977293e3b2b6ec.jpg)
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on January 06, 2016, 10:42:59 PM
Despite the shittiest sounding mp3's I've ever heard, the album is pretty good.

Needs a few more listens, but the Tate song (Seduction Of Decay) is my fave song.
The rest has it's moments, the title track is perhaps just a little on the, generic power metal fast songs by the numbers.
Of course Jorn sounds mega as per usual, but the real surprise is the very gothic sounding 'Darconian Love' this would be the strangest Avantasia song yet, but it works.

Sounds good.  I'm fine with the generic power metal stuff too.

There was a couple of strange songs on AOB so Darconian Love must be interesting.
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Post by: bosk1 on January 07, 2016, 09:21:11 AM
For those of you old enough to remember this, I wouldn't mind some Draconian Love...  :heart

Biddi-biddi-biddi-biddi, indeed!  :eyebrows:
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on January 07, 2016, 01:53:45 PM
I was thinking the same thing myself, what size venue's could Avantasia potentially play in Australia?
I really think that they would need to be playing decent sized venue's that would warrant and justify them coming here.

The Enmore Theatre here in Sydney capacity is around 2,000 people.
That would be the minimum size venue and Nightwish are playing their on Saturday night and it is not sold out.

Yeah, I think they would be stuck for venues.  Nothing really up here in Brisbane either.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on January 07, 2016, 02:10:07 PM
If you build it, they will come
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: gazinwales on January 08, 2016, 02:53:28 PM
I'm still buzzing from the phone interview with Tobi.
Hell of a nice bloke too, it was like talking to an old mate wile having a beer.
I had 16 questions prepared but we barely got through 6, our allotted time went over by almost 10 minutes.

Tobi's final comments were that we'd see him with Edguy downunder again, NOT Avantasia.
We just don't have the market and the cost of bringing the whole show down here would prohibit
any Avantasia tour in the forceable future.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on January 08, 2016, 03:04:20 PM
Any mention of coming to the US?
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: gazinwales on January 08, 2016, 04:13:29 PM
No idea, why would I ask him this  :o ?
At a wild guess I think the same would apply to the USA as Australia and all the other small
markets around the world.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on January 08, 2016, 05:02:52 PM
I'm still buzzing from the phone interview with Tobi.
Hell of a nice bloke too, it was like talking to an old mate wile having a beer.
I had 16 questions prepared but we barely got through 6, our allotted time went over by almost 10 minutes.

Tobi's final comments were that we'd see him with Edguy downunder again, NOT Avantasia.
We just don't have the market and the cost of bringing the whole show down here would prohibit
any Avantasia tour in the forceable future.


Yeah, as we thought, this totally makes sense.  I'm happy to go and see Edguy again though, they put on an amazing show last time.  Hopefully they come to Brisbane though.  Seems bands just like to do the Melbourne and Sydney shows lately.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on January 09, 2016, 08:59:07 AM
No idea, why would I ask him this  :o ?
At a wild guess I think the same would apply to the USA as Australia and all the other small
markets around the world.

No idea you would either  :biggrin: Just in the same boat as you guys
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: gazinwales on January 10, 2016, 01:25:36 AM
If bands are not being booked for Brisbane, then the local promoters don't have any confidence in you Queenslanders  ;D
BTW heard from a very good source last night, full Sabaton tour in July.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on January 10, 2016, 03:21:59 AM
If bands are not being booked for Brisbane, then the local promoters don't have any confidence in you Queenslanders  ;D
BTW heard from a very good source last night, full Sabaton tour in July.

Yeah, actually some turnouts for concerts over the years I've been too have been quite underwhelming.  Edguy had like 200 people tops.

I'm not that big on Sabaton either.  They are one of those bands that I should and want to like but nothing I've heard really grabs me at all.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on January 10, 2016, 07:20:44 AM
Their songs sound too similar. Fun band but its hard to get really into them IMO.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 13, 2016, 05:22:23 AM
YESSSSS

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AVANTASIA LIVE IN USA AND CANADA
Great news - my North American friends: WE'RE COMING BACK! You know, the few memories I have of our last Avantasia show in Canada are a bit blurry. Back then I went from hospital right to the stage as I had some real mean flu. I was so high on whatever medication the doctor gave me to make the show, all I remember are the green little creatures in my dressing room that were calling me names but always disappeared under the sofa whenever I tried to catch them to confront them with their silly behavior… Now, looking at the video I sounded quite a bit awful, ha! But I've been told I was funny and a very happy person that night.
AND I AM HAPPY TO SAY WE'LL BE BACK - IN GREAT SHAPE: Toronto and New York confirmed, West Coast show in the works. Unfortunately Bob won't be able to join us for the dates outside Europe as he will be off on a Magnum tour, but we'll bring Michi Kiske, Jorn Lande, Eric Martin, Ronnie Atkins, Amanda Somerville, Herbie Langhans, Sascha Paeth, Olli Hartmann and ME of course… And Miro. And Andre on bass… And as if that wasn't enough on drums there will be no other than... THE DRUMMER!!! Can't wait to hit the stage! - Tobi

APRIL 13 - CANADA - Toronto, Queen Elizabeth Theater
APRIL 15 - USA - New York, Playstation Theater
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Post by: jingle.boy on January 13, 2016, 05:45:04 AM
Boo-fucking YAH!  I don't have to travel to see them!!!!

Edit... just went looking at Ticketmaster for when they go on sale, and it's listing House of Blues in Anaheim on April 11th.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on January 13, 2016, 05:47:50 AM
I guess it is time to update my 2016 concerts, I will definitely be at the NYC show.  Their website says the tickets are on sale already (for NYC not Toronto) but then the site says no tickets available when you click the link.  I booked a hotel room already so now it's just securing a ticket.  This is one week before DT!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on January 13, 2016, 05:51:39 AM
I guess it is time to update my 2016 concerts, I will definitely be at the NYC show.  Their website says the tickets are on sale already (for NYC not Toronto) but then the site says no tickets available when you click the link.  I booked a hotel room already so now it's just securing a ticket.  This is one week before DT!

Yeah... I just went to the venue website, and the "Buy Tickets" link goes to Ticketfly, though the page won't open, and a search right at Ticketfly doesn't list the event yet.  Too bad it's a mid-week show.  Oh well - it'll be worth it fo sho.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on January 13, 2016, 05:54:04 AM
I guess it is time to update my 2016 concerts, I will definitely be at the NYC show.  Their website says the tickets are on sale already (for NYC not Toronto) but then the site says no tickets available when you click the link.  I booked a hotel room already so now it's just securing a ticket.  This is one week before DT!

Yeah... I just went to the venue website, and the "Buy Tickets" link goes to Ticketfly, though the page won't open, and a search right at Ticketfly doesn't list the event yet.  Too bad it's a mid-week show.  Oh well - it'll be worth it fo sho.

Might just be too quick.  I'd imagine the tickets aren't actually on sale yet, I guess I could be wrong, but the announcement just happened and it's too early for people to have been up buying all the tickets on the east coast lol
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Post by: Nick on January 13, 2016, 09:50:12 AM
Nice, glad to see this confirmed. Looking forward to the US show.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on January 13, 2016, 10:10:35 AM
Glad to see you guys have a chance to see this show too!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on January 13, 2016, 10:12:10 AM
Yea I am really excited for this, honestly did not expect to be able to see them.  Sucks Bob Catley will not be on the N.A. shows though, I wonder if that means the setlist will be different, I'd rather that then see one of the others sing his parts.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on January 13, 2016, 10:14:57 AM
Yea I am really excited for this, honestly did not expect to be able to see them.  Sucks Bob Catley will not be on the N.A. shows though, I wonder if that means the setlist will be different, I'd rather that then see one of the others sing his parts.

Yeah, lack of Bob on N.A. shows sucks. He's always so fun to watch on stage, he always makes me genuinely smile. His presence definitely was one of the highlights of the previous tour show for me.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on January 13, 2016, 05:16:02 PM
California confirmed and that is it for N.A.:

APRIL 11 - USA, Anaheim, CA - House Of Blues (Disneyland)
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on January 13, 2016, 07:32:12 PM
Didn't I already say that??   :P

For Toronto - "General tickets go on sale on Sat. Jan 16, 2016 10:00 AM EST."  Ticketfly is the distributor.  Pricey too... $61-$88.  Though, that's Canadian, so like $40-$55 USD.

I know what I'm doin Sat morning.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on January 14, 2016, 05:36:13 AM
Didn't I already say that??   :P

For Toronto - "General tickets go on sale on Sat. Jan 16, 2016 10:00 AM EST."  Ticketfly is the distributor.  Pricey too... $61-$88.  Though, that's Canadian, so like $40-$55 USD.

I know what I'm doin Sat morning.

Well, yes you did  :facepalm:

So I just checked ticketfly and I see the NYC show listed with no sale date.  I think 60-80 is fair considering the band.  It's on the high end for sure, but considering the band is really going out of their way to play these dates and bringing the large cast for a 3 hour show, I feel like its fair.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on January 16, 2016, 08:07:02 AM
Ticket = purchased.

Row A; seat 15... dead fucking center.

:panicattack:
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on January 16, 2016, 10:04:34 AM
Tickets purchased for NYC, was right on top of that and pretty sure I got the best seats in the house:

Section Mezzanine Center, Row A, Seat 101-102

Now there is a general admission pit in front, but the seating section is raised so front row center section with aisle seats!  Not cheap though, came out to 93 a ticket after taxes. My friend didn't even confirm he's coming with me, but I couldn't let those tickets go.  I'm normally a GA guy, but for a 3 hour set, I'll take the seat.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on January 16, 2016, 10:09:40 AM
I've bought a general admission tickets. Avantasia is one of the few bands I can't imagine myself sitting at their concert at all.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on January 16, 2016, 10:19:36 AM
I've bought a general admission tickets. Avantasia is one of the few bands I can't imagine myself sitting at their concert at all.

I don't plan on sitting at all, just want a seat.  But I'd imagine seeing them anywhere but in the USA it would be a much more crowd involved show, the crowds here in the US seem like they just watch and don't get too crazy so a seat is a good option for this. 
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on January 16, 2016, 10:26:52 AM
I've bought a general admission tickets. Avantasia is one of the few bands I can't imagine myself sitting at their concert at all.

I don't plan on sitting at all, just want a seat.  But I'd imagine seeing them anywhere but in the USA it would be a much more crowd involved show, the crowds here in the US seem like they just watch and don't get too crazy so a seat is a good option for this.

Yeah, on The Mystery of Time tour (Moscow show) the crowd was crazy and I think there were like ~30 seats in the venue and the rest of tickets were GA. Lots of people were headbanging and singing, including me. I remember a guy standing next to me during Saviour in the Clockwork, I think he sang all the songs prior to that and I guess he didn't memorize the words to this one. Of course I was singing it recklessly and he gave me a few appreciative looks during it. :lol

Damn, I'm so looking forward to see Avantasia live again.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on January 16, 2016, 10:30:36 AM
This venue is half pit up close and then 6 sections of seats in the back.  Im front row center in the seats so I think I will have the best view and I will totally be standing, singing, and head banging.  Hope the people behind me plan on standing too.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on January 16, 2016, 10:34:57 AM
This venue is half pit up close and then 6 sections of seats in the back.  Im front row center in the seats so I think I will have the best view and I will totally be standing, singing, and head banging. Hope the people behind me plan on standing too.

Yeah, and if not, well, that's unfortunate for them. :lol
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on January 16, 2016, 10:39:43 AM
This venue is half pit up close and then 6 sections of seats in the back.  Im front row center in the seats so I think I will have the best view and I will totally be standing, singing, and head banging. Hope the people behind me plan on standing too.

Yeah, and if not, well, that's unfortunate for them. :lol

My friend and I stood in our seats the first time we saw Iron Maiden together (AMoLaD tour) and the people behind us complained.  He sat and I refused.  Screw that, it's a metal concert!  My friend finally got the courage during the encore to stand up again.  He was so pissed.  It is unfortunate for them.  :metal :lol
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on January 16, 2016, 10:42:47 AM
The venue in Toronto is a true concert theater, so no standing/GA.  I've got front row, so I guess I'm in the group that sets the tone for sitting vs standing.  I usually play it by ear, and gauge the group around me.  There are some scenarios where I'm like 'screw it' to the people behind me.  When I saw Rush Time Machine, I warned the people behind me that I would be standing for the entire set of Moving Pictures.

In situations where the consensus around me is to sit, I'll still stand for the odd song here and there.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on January 16, 2016, 10:49:46 AM
If you have front row, how can you sit? I mean I guess if no one else stands, but I cannot imagine that. I always stand for the headliner at a concert.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on January 16, 2016, 10:56:10 AM
If you have front row, how can you sit? I mean I guess if no one else stands, but I cannot imagine that. I always stand for the headliner at a concert.

I had front row for DT in Mesa a few years back - it to was a true concert hall.  The stage wasn't even waist high.  I stood for most of the show, but so too was the group around me.  I don't really want to be "that guy" who is the only one standing.  Like I said, I'll judge the vibe of the crowd around me.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on January 16, 2016, 11:02:44 AM
If you have front row, how can you sit? I mean I guess if no one else stands, but I cannot imagine that. I always stand for the headliner at a concert.

I had front row for DT in Mesa a few years back - it to was a true concert hall.  The stage wasn't even waist high.  I stood for most of the show, but so too was the group around me.  I don't really want to be "that guy" who is the only one standing.  Like I said, I'll judge the vibe of the crowd around me.

I get what you mean, just surprised the first row people wouldn't be standing. I think being the only one standing is a scenario where I would sit too.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 18, 2016, 11:30:32 AM
New song y'all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH3kyXAEJHo&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on January 18, 2016, 11:42:46 AM
Damn...

I'm amazed. Wow. This is beyond awesome actually. :hefdaddy

This song is fantastic. From the first listen, I'd say this song is better than any Kiske-fronted song since Shelter from the Rain.

Edit: I've squeezed in five more listens to this one and damn this is so good I'm stunned. It's such a relentless song. Incredible.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on January 18, 2016, 12:46:48 PM
 :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on January 18, 2016, 12:55:43 PM
The power in this power metal tune is over 9000. Really reminds me a lot of 'The Metal Opera'! And that's a great thing.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on January 18, 2016, 01:49:00 PM
That was brilliant.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on January 18, 2016, 02:07:32 PM
"Will you heed the token"


Michael fucking Kiske!!!!!

 :hefdaddy

Easily the best voice these ears have ever heard. I bought Keepers Pt 1 29 years ago. Changed the game for me musically.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on January 18, 2016, 08:49:21 PM
Shit, can't wait to listen later.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 18, 2016, 09:46:19 PM
It reminds me of Wasteland, but better.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on January 19, 2016, 03:44:08 AM
Just a really solid but standard Avantasia power metal outing IMO. 
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on January 19, 2016, 06:38:17 AM
Yea, it's a fairly standard Avantasia power metal track, but still awesome and significantly better than MoaBRR IMO.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on January 19, 2016, 07:52:43 AM
I think it's one of the best, if not the best Kiske-fronted power metal track from post Metal Opera material. As much as I liked The Mystery of Time, both Where Clock Hands Freeze and Dweller in a Dream were good, but nothing more. And Wastelands I don't like at all.

This song just clicked with me instantly. Huge improvement over MotBRR in my opinion.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on January 19, 2016, 08:01:19 AM
I think it's one of the best, if not the best Kiske-fronted power metal track from post Metal Opera material. As much as I liked The Mystery of Time, both Where Clock Hands Freeze and Dweller in a Dream were good, but nothing more. And Wastelands I don't like at all.

This song just clicked with me instantly. Huge improvement over MotBRR in my opinion.

Agreed with all of the above. 
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on January 19, 2016, 10:17:10 AM
I wanted to wait but I couldnt resist and I heard it, it's awesome! for whatever reason I always imagined throughout the choruses that more vocals could be added at the end to round it up, I was actually fully expecting at the end something more, even just repeating twice "Blinding my eyes, get me out of this place". Aside from this, the song is golden!!!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on January 19, 2016, 09:41:24 PM
Yeah, it's good, but I obviously don't hear what you guys are hearing yet.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on January 20, 2016, 08:22:54 AM
Finally pre-ordered this and DT, should have them both on release day  :metal
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 20, 2016, 10:39:21 AM
I think I'm gonna buy this one. That song is good straightfoward power.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bosk1 on January 26, 2016, 10:30:26 AM
I know this info is out there for me to find, but just trying to get the quick answer:  Is there a special edition of this, or only standard?
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on January 26, 2016, 10:32:17 AM
I know this info is out there for me to find, but just trying to get the quick answer:  Is there a special edition of this, or only standard?

There is another edition with a live CD and instrumental CD.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bosk1 on January 26, 2016, 10:34:49 AM
Sweet.  If they have it, I will likely pick that version up.  Thanks.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on January 26, 2016, 10:38:07 AM
I know this info is out there for me to find, but just trying to get the quick answer:  Is there a special edition of this, or only standard?

There is a 2CD digibook, a 3CD earbook, some vinyls I guess and a deluxe edition boxset. I've ordered it and it contains 3CD Earbook, poster, signed photo, lanyard laminate pass and a certificate I think. I don't remember what exactly was in there because apparently it's no longer available at Nuclear Blast so I'll just have to wait until it arrives.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on January 26, 2016, 10:43:26 AM
I just went with the standard CD, I'd like the live album but didn't see the option on amazon.  I don't think it is that important since I have their live blu-ray anyway and the wacken concert is on youtube in good quality.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on January 26, 2016, 01:46:48 PM
I hope I can get the 2cd.  I'd love the live concert to be honest.  The 3cd is so damn overpriced.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: gazinwales on January 26, 2016, 10:35:40 PM
Not just the pointless 'Karaoke' CD you also get a 48 page book.
https://www.jbhifi.com.au/music/browse/metal/ghostlights-deluxe-earbook-edition/929289/
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on January 27, 2016, 04:53:02 AM
Not just the pointless 'Karaoke' CD you also get a 48 page book.
https://www.jbhifi.com.au/music/browse/metal/ghostlights-deluxe-earbook-edition/929289/

Not worth the extra dosh in my book.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on January 27, 2016, 05:53:50 AM
Just noticed the earbook version on amazon is $60, yikes.  Totally not worth that price for the live CD and kareoke CD.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bosk1 on January 27, 2016, 08:14:41 AM
I'm not going with a super expensive package.  But when I head to the local music shop on Friday, I will see what they have and decide accordingly.  Not a "mega-fan" of this band, but I discovered them when TMOT came out and I heard some positive reviews and made a blind purchase, and I really enjoyed that album.  I haven't gone back and explored the back catalog yet, but probably will at some point if this album is as good as the last one.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on January 27, 2016, 08:17:00 AM
I'm not going with a super expensive package.  But when I head to the local music shop on Friday, I will see what they have and decide accordingly.  Not a "mega-fan" of this band, but I discovered them when TMOT came out and I heard some positive reviews and made a blind purchase, and I really enjoyed that album.  I haven't gone back and explored the back catalog yet, but probably will at some point if this album is as good as the last one.

Good lord man, get on the back catalogue.  While some of us differ on which era is better (Metal Opera vs Scarecrow Trilogy), no one disputes that it is all A+ material.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bosk1 on January 27, 2016, 08:17:52 AM
I plan to.  But I'm not in a hurry either.  There is no shortage of good music in my life, and only so much time to listen to it.  Patience, my friend.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on January 27, 2016, 08:32:47 AM
Well I ordered the deluxe edition box especially because it had a huge book. I love stuff like this. Don't really care about karaoke CD.

Oh, and a poster, it will come handy at my working place, I still have some space on my wall there.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on January 27, 2016, 08:49:05 AM
I'm not going with a super expensive package.  But when I head to the local music shop on Friday, I will see what they have and decide accordingly.  Not a "mega-fan" of this band, but I discovered them when TMOT came out and I heard some positive reviews and made a blind purchase, and I really enjoyed that album.  I haven't gone back and explored the back catalog yet, but probably will at some point if this album is as good as the last one.

Good lord man, get on the back catalogue.  While some of us differ on which era is better (Metal Opera vs Scarecrow Trilogy), no one disputes that it is all A+ material.

Agreed.  This is good stuff here, TMOT is a great album IMO.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Nick on January 27, 2016, 09:32:17 AM
I'm not going with a super expensive package.  But when I head to the local music shop on Friday, I will see what they have and decide accordingly.  Not a "mega-fan" of this band, but I discovered them when TMOT came out and I heard some positive reviews and made a blind purchase, and I really enjoyed that album.  I haven't gone back and explored the back catalog yet, but probably will at some point if this album is as good as the last one.

Good lord man, get on the back catalogue.  While some of us differ on which era is better (Metal Opera vs Scarecrow Trilogy), no one disputes that it is all A+ material.

Disputed. I mean, it's all really good, but I don't think I'd give any one album an A+.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on January 27, 2016, 09:34:57 AM
I'd give TMOT an A+.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on January 27, 2016, 09:41:05 AM
The thing with Avantasia is that, although they have made some amazing music, it all feels too safe. They all share this big power metal spirit that, although I don't have big issues with that fact (I love some cheesy power metal in my life) I don't feel any of those albums are adventurous enough to earn an A+. Sure, there's great music throughout, but it wouldn't hurt Tobi to expand his musical horizons in next Avantasia releases.

I'm kinda on Nick's boat with this one.

:dammitnick:
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on January 27, 2016, 09:44:38 AM
I'd give TMOT an A+.

Me too, as well as The Scarecrow.  Those are two masterpiece albums if you ask me.  The rest of their albums have amazing tracks, but also stuff that doesn't interest me.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on January 27, 2016, 09:48:16 AM
I'd give TMOT, The Scarecrow and The Metal Opera pt. 1 an A+.

Hence why I'm going all-out for this one.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on January 27, 2016, 10:17:52 AM
Thanks to Nick and Lalo for dropping in on the discussion just to shit on my comment  :biggrin:.  Let me clarify...

No one that regularly posts in this thread disputes it's A+ material
OR
No one disputes it's all at least A- material.

Perhaps I was too generous on my grade, or overzealous at who pays attention to this thread.   :P :-*
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bosk1 on January 27, 2016, 10:19:51 AM
It's okay, Chad.  Your point is taken, and your poetic license acknowledged.  Bottom line: "the back catalog is really good."  Got it.  :tup
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on January 27, 2016, 10:22:22 AM
Thanks to Nick and Lalo for dropping in on the discussion just to shit on my comment  :biggrin:.  Let me clarify...

No one that regularly posts in this thread disputes it's A+ material
OR
No one disputes it's all at least A- material.

Perhaps I was too generous on my grade, or overzealous at who pays attention to this thread.   :P :-*

Ai Ai, Chad! You know I love you.  :millahhhh  :-*

Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on January 27, 2016, 10:23:46 AM
Thanks to Nick and Lalo for dropping in on the discussion just to shit on my comment  :biggrin:.  Let me clarify...

No one that regularly posts in this thread disputes it's A+ material
OR
No one disputes it's all at least A- material.

Perhaps I was too generous on my grade, or overzealous at who pays attention to this thread.   :P :-*

Ai Ai, Chad! You know I love you.  :millahhhh  :-*

For sure, and the feeling is mutual.  BTW... I'm gonna use some Inner songs for a few upcoming roulette's.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on January 27, 2016, 10:26:18 AM
That's amazing. Keep me informed!  :D
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Nick on January 27, 2016, 10:35:20 AM
:lol I follow many threads, even if I don't often post in them.

Personally, I find Avantasia consistently really good, and nothing bad, they just haven't made that masterpiece yet, imo.

Scarecrow, Wicked, and Babylon, all As.

First two albums, A-

TMoT, B or B+.

But yes, the underlying point of the catalog being worth exploring is absolutely true. :D

Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bosk1 on January 27, 2016, 10:41:00 AM
I'll just drop one tidbit before moving on:  Listening to Savior in the Clockwork.  Man, that riff at about 6:00, and then the quiet part after the solo. and then the slow build that brings back a variation on said awesome riff...  :squee:  That has to be my ultimate favorite moment on this album.  And Savior and Black Orchid are definitely my two favorite songs.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on January 27, 2016, 10:43:36 AM
Savior in the Clockwork is one of my favorite Avantasia songs.

Experiencing it live was an absolute highlight for me.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on January 27, 2016, 10:45:43 AM
And Savior and Black Orchid are definitely my two favorite songs.

Same here. Biff Byford rocks on this album.

Anyway, Nick, Angel of Babylon is like C or something. :lol
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on January 27, 2016, 11:28:43 AM
Savior is probably my favorite song by them, just above The Scarecrow.  It's a large reason why I find both those albums to be amazing, they both have that awesome epic track.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on January 27, 2016, 11:32:13 AM
Savior is probably my favorite song by them, just above The Scarecrow.  It's a large reason why I find both those albums to be amazing, they both have that awesome epic track.

Once again, true. My two favourite Avantasia songs. :tup

I like how we all frequenters can agree on something.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on January 27, 2016, 11:33:49 AM
I like how we all frequenters can agree on something.

It's rare  :lol
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 27, 2016, 11:41:04 AM
Scarecrow and Wicked Symphony are both amazing. Angel of Babylon is slightly less amazing.

The Mystery of Time is ok, with a few really good songs.

The Metal Opera exists.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on January 27, 2016, 11:58:03 AM
Savior In The Clockwork was my Track Of The Year for 2014.

Great tune!

Love towards the end where Biff and Kiske go back and forth. Gives me chills.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Scorpion on January 27, 2016, 04:07:24 PM
Scarecrow and Wicked Symphony are both amazing. Angel of Babylon is slightly less amazing.

The Mystery of Time is ok, with a few really good songs.

The Metal Opera exists.

Slide Wicked Symphony over to the "slightly less amazing" tier and I basically agree with this.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on January 27, 2016, 04:09:24 PM
Wicked has been picking up for me.  I initially was only a fan of about half the album, but the rest has been growing on me as I've been listening to the catalogue a lot lately in prep for Ghostlights.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on January 27, 2016, 07:19:49 PM
Scarecrow and Wicked Symphony are both amazing. Angel of Babylon is slightly less amazing.

The Mystery of Time is ok, with a few really good songs.

The Metal Opera exists.

Agree with the first line, but not at all with the second two.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on January 28, 2016, 10:17:09 AM
Got an e-mail from Nuclear Blast informing me that my order has been shipped.

I'll avoid this thread until my copy arrives. I think I'll stay away further spoilers, I want to experience this album reading this huge earbook with a nice pint of beer and definitely a huge satisfied smile on my face. See you there in a few weeks. :tup
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Lowdz on January 28, 2016, 03:21:22 PM
Scarecrow and Wicked Symphony are both amazing. Angel of Babylon is slightly less amazing.

The Mystery of Time is ok, with a few really good songs.

The Metal Opera exists.

Agree with the first line, but not at all with the second two.

Right with ya Kade
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on January 28, 2016, 03:35:25 PM
The Metal Opera Pt. II has 'The Seven Angels'

Ergo, the argument is invalid.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on January 29, 2016, 04:29:05 AM
Scarecrow and Wicked Symphony are both amazing. Angel of Babylon is slightly less amazing.

The Mystery of Time is ok, with a few really good songs.

The Metal Opera exists.

Agree with the first line, but not at all with the second two.

Right with ya Kade

I'll admit that TMOT too quite a lot of listens for it to grow on me.  At first I was underwhelmed but now I think it's amazing.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on January 29, 2016, 04:35:36 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w_58CQWHFQ

Video for Red Rose.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on January 29, 2016, 06:08:55 AM
Bought the new album along with The Astonishing! There was only the 2 CD version, not that I don't mind... tomorrow I will listen to both! can't wait! curious also to see the video... I guess I'll watch it exactly once not really caring for videos anymore, hehe!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on January 29, 2016, 06:16:28 AM
So now that it is out, I will express my views...

I LOVE THIS ALBUM.  Another A+ in my book.

hey hey hey
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on January 29, 2016, 06:18:26 AM
Listening right now.  Jorn is nailing it - as usual.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on January 29, 2016, 06:20:35 AM
I'm so glad that Jorn is back, he really is a beast.  The parts where he comes in are just so powerful.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: ErHaO on January 29, 2016, 09:44:30 AM
Great first impression after two full spins and some song repeats (+many spins of the two released songs).

It is early offcourse, but I think this may become my favourite Avantasia album. I really like Avantasia as a whole, but most albums have several tracks that do nothing for me. It is one of those artists I frequently listen to, but only to a personal selection of songs, rather than full albums. This one, however, definitely grabbed me as a whole, it will be interesting to see if it is a stayer, but the "first love" factor is there!

Also, for those who didn't grab the edition with the live disc, the live disc is included on Spotify/Deezer! I will check that out soon too.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on January 29, 2016, 09:45:24 AM
It's really a shame this album came out today, because I'm all in Astonishing mode right now and can't get around listening this one until after a couple of days.  :lol
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on January 29, 2016, 10:10:46 AM
I watched the music video, am I the only one who finds it odd that all of their videos show the band as a three piece plus maybe a guest singer?  The music just never seemed to be what I am watching (keyboards, multiple guitars, backing vocals that are just visually missing).  I understand they have a hard enough time getting everyone together so I'm sure that is the reason, but I just find it odd to see.

Anyway, Draconian Love is amazing.  A very different sounding song for them, but so fucking awesome.   :metal :metal
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bosk1 on January 29, 2016, 02:15:02 PM
It's really a shame this album came out today, because I'm all in Astonishing mode right now and can't get around listening this one until after a couple of days.  :lol
Exactly.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Nick on January 29, 2016, 02:16:58 PM
It's really a shame this album came out today, because I'm all in Astonishing mode right now and can't get around listening this one until after a couple of days.  :lol
Exactly.

I'm only finishing disc 1 now, but nothing has made me go, OMG, MUST LISTEN TO THIS OVER AND OVER. So Avantasia will be on later tonight.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Scorpion on January 29, 2016, 03:20:11 PM
MYSTERY OF A BLOOD RED ROSE

Oh man, this is so catchy already, and I love this track a lot more than on my first listen already (back when the album wasn't out yet) - this bodes well. :metal

Could have done without the mandatory modulation for the last chorus though.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: ErHaO on January 29, 2016, 03:26:51 PM
Yeah, I've been in DT mode for most of the day, but during travelling and sports (running/cycling) this album was an excellent listen. Lot's of catchy hooks and the whole thing paces really well.

The most surprising vocal performance for me is by Herbie Langhans on Draconian Love. Every now and then I listen to Sinbreed and Seventh Avenue, so I was expecting him to unleash his gritty powermetal vocals here, but this is really awesome and insanely catchy. It gives me bit of a "guilty pleasure pop song" vibe in a good way.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 29, 2016, 03:28:30 PM
The most surprising vocal performance for me is by Herbie Langhans on Draconian Love. Every now and then I listen to Sinbreed and Seventh Avenue, so I was expecting him to unleash his gritty powermetal vocals here, but this is really awesome and insanely catchy. It gives me bit of a "guilty pleasure pop song" vibe in a good way.

Yes! So true. This was the song that really stood out on my first listen.
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Post by: Lowdz on January 29, 2016, 03:40:16 PM
First listen now. Loving it so far. Draconian Love is different but I like it. Toby been listening to some Nightingale?
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Post by: T-ski on January 29, 2016, 03:50:58 PM
that really isn't Geoff Tate singing, is it?

how can he manage to suck on his own material and yet sound amazing on this?
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on January 29, 2016, 03:54:06 PM
Damn, looks like this has been pushed back a week here in Australia. I was actually looking forward to getting this today more than DT.  :lol

First listen now. Loving it so far. Draconian Love is different but I like it. Toby been listening to some Nightingale?

This excites me.
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Post by: Scorpion on January 29, 2016, 03:55:22 PM
Because he doesn't understand/accept the limits of his voice? So when he ends up being his own creative director, it goes to shit.

Also rubbish songwriting.

Halfway through, highlights so far include Let the Stomr Descend On You, Ghostlights and Draconian Love. The vocals of DL are absolutely great, especially in the chorus.
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Post by: wolfking on January 29, 2016, 04:05:24 PM
Yeah that's true, and cause he's ego is bigger than the sun, he still thinks he can do whatever the fuck he wants and thinks it's amazing.
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Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 29, 2016, 04:27:02 PM
Listening now.
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Post by: gazinwales on January 29, 2016, 04:34:18 PM
Damn, looks like this has been pushed back a week here in Australia. I was actually looking forward to getting this today more than DT.  :lol

First listen now. Loving it so far. Draconian Love is different but I like it. Toby been listening to some Nightingale?

This excites me.

Yes it has, Utopia didn't even get their import versions in.
Pretty shit for us Aussies fans, even though I already have some promo files.
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Post by: wolfking on January 29, 2016, 04:35:23 PM
I see Utopia have the new Primal Fear at $37!  :eek
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Post by: Scorpion on January 29, 2016, 04:40:03 PM
Finished my first listen, and I liked it. I'll have to listen to it a few more times, but it was definitely a good album, and I could see it ending up on the "slightly below The Scarecrow"-tier for me.
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Post by: gazinwales on January 29, 2016, 04:41:12 PM
Yeah must be import and not local release.
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Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 29, 2016, 04:42:46 PM
Let the Storm Descend Upon You was amazing, and it is so awesome to have Jorn back. On The Haunting now, which is fantastic, and I think I might even like it better than Let the Storm etc. :lol

edit: On the Tate track now, let's see how this goes.
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Post by: cramx3 on January 29, 2016, 04:52:01 PM
Unchain the Light is my favorite
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Post by: jingle.boy on January 29, 2016, 05:57:35 PM
Damn, looks like this has been pushed back a week here in Australia. I was actually looking forward to getting this today more than DT.  :lol

Dude... seriously.... how many times do I gotta tell you?  Spotify is your friend.  Do you want me to listen to the fuckin album for you too!?!?!   :D

As we all hoped, Tobi got the absolute most out of Tate.  His track sounds good - Tobi was wise to keep him low in the register.  Very well written melodies for Tater, and I'm wouldn't be surprised if there was some production "assistance".  Great album on the first listen.
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Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 29, 2016, 06:21:34 PM
Draconian Love, wow. Probably my favorite song so far. :metal
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Post by: Kwyjibo on January 30, 2016, 01:50:41 AM
Still haven't heard the whole thing but so far Draconian Love stood out and Tate was listenable.
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Post by: MirrorMask on January 30, 2016, 09:57:51 AM
Just heard it.

Wow, what an album. Absolutely amazing work, probably better than The Mistery of Time. Let the Storm Descend Upon You is gorgeous, some reviews called it bloated and glued together, I feel it's very cohesive and time flows by. The Haunting could have been - and probably is - another attempt at writing Death is Just a Feeling, but it's AWESOME! Can't take the chorus off my head! Seduction of Decay is good, Ghostlights is unbelieavable, Draconian Love is another one that I've seen criticized in reviews but it's very convincing and not a cheap attempt at goth metal at all, and Master of the Pendulum has probably the best chorus of the entire album.

A bit of a letdown are Isle of Evermore, nothing special, and the closing song, it's good but it feels like the same old closing Catley song, The Great Mistery was on a whole other level as far as Catley songs go, but all in all this album is wonderful! can't wait to hear it again and again, I guess that for a while I will listen only to this and The Astonishing  :metal
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Post by: cramx3 on January 30, 2016, 10:19:48 AM
I'm holding off on the Astonishing until tomorrow to listen with my friend, so I listened to Ghostlights this morning while reading the lyrics for the first time and really enjoyed it much more. I've already listened a bunch now.

My early song rankings:

Unchain the Light
Let the Storm Descend Upon You
Draconian Love
Babylon Vampyres
A Restless Heart and Obsidian Skies
Lucifer
Master of the Pendulum
The Haunting
Isle of Evermore
Seduction of Decay
Ghostlights
Mystery of a Blood Red Rose
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Post by: Zydar on January 30, 2016, 10:38:19 AM
First listen now, sounds good :tup
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Post by: Polarbear on January 30, 2016, 10:53:32 AM
I used to listen a lot of Avantasia around the time The Scarecrow came out. I need to catch up with their later albums!

Anyway, Ghostlights sounds good! Draconian Love might be my favorite Avantasia song, and Geoff Tate did a surprisingly good job in the Seduction of Decay.
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Post by: Nick on January 30, 2016, 12:08:17 PM
Full judgment is a long way off, but one listen in this is already clearly more memorable than The Mystery of Time.
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Post by: MirrorMask on January 30, 2016, 12:39:06 PM
Full judgment is a long way off, but one listen in this is already clearly more memorable than The Mystery of Time.

I think so as well, even though The Mystery of Time has at least two absolute masterpieces (Spectres and The Great Mystery).

Anyway, while I resisted and didn't hear a single note of The Astonishing, I heard the two previewed songs and the teaser, and now - at least for the first time - I feel weird while the parts of the songs I already knew come up, they feel disjointed from the rest of the song... especially the chorus to Master of the Pendulum which is way happier than the rest of the song. This shows that if you're a fan of the band and you reasonably assume you'll enjoy the record, a full unspoiled listening experience is always best!
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Post by: cramx3 on January 30, 2016, 12:53:43 PM
Full judgment is a long way off, but one listen in this is already clearly more memorable than The Mystery of Time.

I think so as well, even though The Mystery of Time has at least two absolute masterpieces (Spectres and The Great Mystery).

Anyway, while I resisted and didn't hear a single note of The Astonishing, I heard the two previewed songs and the teaser, and now - at least for the first time - I feel weird while the parts of the songs I already knew come up, they feel disjointed from the rest of the song... especially the chorus to Master of the Pendulum which is way happier than the rest of the song. This shows that if you're a fan of the band and you reasonably assume you'll enjoy the record, a full unspoiled listening experience is always best!

The two singles are my least favorite tracks on the album
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bosk1 on February 01, 2016, 07:13:07 AM
that really isn't Geoff Tate singing, is it?

how can he manage to suck on his own material and yet sound amazing on this?
that really isn't Geoff Tate singing, is it?

how can he manage to suck on his own material and yet sound amazing on this?

I'm guessing a big part of it is the fact that he is working on somebody else's project rather than his own, which means that for once, he is not recording in an environment where nobody present will tell him his parts aren't cutting it. 
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Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 01, 2016, 07:19:28 AM
Also, I wouldn't describe Tate's performance as anything approaching "amazing," except maybe in comparison to his own material. He's passable, but nothing particularly noteworthy.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on February 01, 2016, 03:23:04 PM
Fuck, the release date on JB's site (Australia) is now the 12th.  Screw it I'm ordering from Amazon I think.

EDIT: Amazon don't have just the 2cd edition ffs.

Has anyone got the live cd, is it worth it?
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Post by: TAC on February 01, 2016, 03:32:26 PM
As we all hoped, Tobi got the absolute most out of Tate.  His track sounds good -  .

I knew he would!


Just now have given Ghostlights a listen, mostly as background music. Sounds good.
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Post by: jingle.boy on February 01, 2016, 04:28:17 PM
Fuck, the release date on JB's site (Australia) is now the 12th.  Screw it I'm ordering from Amazon I think.

EDIT: Amazon don't have just the 2cd edition ffs.

Has anyone got the live cd, is it worth it?

um... yeah, I think so.  Spotify it and decide for yourself.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on February 01, 2016, 04:32:39 PM
or purchase the 1CD version and download the live tracks (I think I will do this, was hoping the digital download of the live album would be available)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B018RZO154?ie=UTF8&keywords=avantasia&qid=1454369504&ref_=sr_1_2&s=dmusic&sr=1-2-mp3-albums-bar-strip-0 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B018RZO154?ie=UTF8&keywords=avantasia&qid=1454369504&ref_=sr_1_2&s=dmusic&sr=1-2-mp3-albums-bar-strip-0)
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Post by: Dr. DTVT on February 01, 2016, 05:03:14 PM
Ghostlights is awesome.  I'm going to do my damnedest to get to the NYC show now.

My only complaint is that nowhere in the book does it say which singer sung which parts.  I know when Jorn Lande is singing, but some of the others I'm not familiar with enough.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 01, 2016, 05:12:40 PM
Ghostlights is awesome.  I'm going to do my damnedest to get to the NYC show now.

My only complaint is that nowhere in the book does it say which singer sung which parts.  I know when Jorn Lande is singing, but some of the others I'm not familiar with enough.

Nice, hope you make it to NYC, I am so pumped for that show!

I noticed they list the singers on this lyric site and it seems like it's correct

https://www.darklyrics.com/lyrics/avantasia/ghostlights.html#1 (https://www.darklyrics.com/lyrics/avantasia/ghostlights.html#1)
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Post by: Nick on February 01, 2016, 05:13:34 PM
If it wasn't mentioned earlier, I will indeed be at the New York show as well.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Dr. DTVT on February 01, 2016, 06:39:02 PM
It's official.  I will come.  I will see.  I will kick ass.  NYC bitches!

I know who is singing on each track, but I hate piecing together who is which character.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on February 01, 2016, 08:46:31 PM
or purchase the 1CD version and download the live tracks (I think I will do this, was hoping the digital download of the live album would be available)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B018RZO154?ie=UTF8&keywords=avantasia&qid=1454369504&ref_=sr_1_2&s=dmusic&sr=1-2-mp3-albums-bar-strip-0 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B018RZO154?ie=UTF8&keywords=avantasia&qid=1454369504&ref_=sr_1_2&s=dmusic&sr=1-2-mp3-albums-bar-strip-0)

Most probably will do this.

Fuck, the release date on JB's site (Australia) is now the 12th.  Screw it I'm ordering from Amazon I think.

EDIT: Amazon don't have just the 2cd edition ffs.

Has anyone got the live cd, is it worth it?

um... yeah, I think so.  Spotify it and decide for yourself.

I actually did this this morning with 2 tracks.  The live tracks sound fine but I don't really need it on cd.  I forgot there was a bonus studio track though on the 2cd edition.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 01, 2016, 08:53:21 PM
I really enjoy the bonus track.  It's nothing special, but has kiske and jorn on it and if its got those guys its generally going to be kick ass.

Seems like it should have been the second to last track on the album though given the context of the song and story of ghostlights.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on February 01, 2016, 09:21:44 PM
I really enjoy the bonus track.  It's nothing special, but has kiske and jorn on it and if its got those guys its generally going to be kick ass.

Seems like it should have been the second to last track on the album though given the context of the song and story of ghostlights.

Damn, I might just hold out for the 2cd version.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on February 02, 2016, 05:04:45 AM
@ Doc... www.metal-archives.com lists which guest vocalist is on which track.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: gazinwales on February 02, 2016, 09:19:41 AM
Fuck, the release date on JB's site (Australia) is now the 12th.  Screw it I'm ordering from Amazon I think.

EDIT: Amazon don't have just the 2cd edition ffs.

Has anyone got the live cd, is it worth it?

Indeed they do:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01855N1NO/ref=s9_simh_gw_p15_d1_i3?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=desktop-1&pf_rd_r=01TBK0GQ02DDSVH9BJXF&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=577048407&pf_rd_i=desktop

Why the delay?
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on February 02, 2016, 01:44:38 PM
I go through amazon.com.  It's a lot cheaper than amazon uk.
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Post by: cramx3 on February 02, 2016, 02:06:10 PM
Lucifer is one of the best new power ballads I have heard in a long time.  Fuckin Jorn is so damn amazing and powerful on that.  I can't say it enough about how happy I am to have Jorn on this album and to get the chance to see him live.  He is easily my favorite of the guest singers and his songs are always some of my favorites from the albums.  :metal :metal :metal :metal
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Post by: wolfking on February 02, 2016, 02:18:28 PM
Jorn is indeed a beast.
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Post by: TAC on February 02, 2016, 02:37:54 PM
I've listened to this once, and I'm pretty sure it's not going to pass TMOT. I plan on digging deep on it tomorrow.

First impressions.
1. Not enough Kiske
2. Too much Tobi
3. Felix is a good drummer for sure, but Russel Gilbrook's drumming on TMOT was beastly. and sounded so much stronger (not Felix's problem).
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Post by: cramx3 on February 02, 2016, 02:44:33 PM
I've listened to this once, and I'm pretty sure it's not going to pass TMOT. I plan on digging deep on it tomorrow.

First impressions.
1. Not enough Kiske
2. Too much Tobi
3. Felix is a good drummer for sure, but Russel Gilbrook's drumming on TMOT was beastly. and sounded so much stronger (not Felix's problem).

too much tobi?  I'm not sure I noticed any more or less of him.  He only has one song that is just him, MoaBRR.

I think Ghostlights may go down as my favorite Avantasia album, but the difference between it and TMOT is not much. (in terms of my opinion on the albums)
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Post by: wolfking on February 02, 2016, 02:48:21 PM
I've listened to this once, and I'm pretty sure it's not going to pass TMOT. I plan on digging deep on it tomorrow.

First impressions.
1. Not enough Kiske
2. Too much Tobi
3. Felix is a good drummer for sure, but Russel Gilbrook's drumming on TMOT was beastly. and sounded so much stronger (not Felix's problem).

It is his project Tim.
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Post by: TAC on February 02, 2016, 02:59:53 PM
 :lol

Yeah I know that.

In general, I am not a huge fan of his voice. I actually thought he was very much improved on TMOT and thought he sounded real good. Again, it's only my first casual listen, but I feel like he regressed.

But I'll dig in tomorrow, so it can all change.
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Post by: jingle.boy on February 02, 2016, 03:55:15 PM
Everything is 'not enough Kiske' for Tim.

Tobi is no more or less (quality or quantity) here than any other Avantasia album, imo.

Not enough Ronnie is what there isn't enough of!
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Post by: wolfking on February 02, 2016, 03:56:20 PM
I love Ronnie, he has become one of my fav vocalists over the last couple of years.
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Post by: TAC on February 02, 2016, 04:00:19 PM
I love Ronnie, he has become one of my fav vocalists over the last couple of years.

I actually like him in small doses here. Not sure I could get through an entire PM album.

Everything is 'not enough Kiske' for Tim.

 :lol

And yes, there's that.



BTW, who are Herbie Langhans and Marco Hietela? I'm not familiar with them.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on February 02, 2016, 04:01:43 PM
I wasn't crazy about Ronnie on Invoke the Machine, he wasn't bad or anything, but he was the one name of the guest vocalists that I was not excited about.  I mostly didn't like his work on the other Avantasia songs he sung at Wacken (specifically Jorn parts, so maybe that is why).  However, I think he is really good on this album. 

His lines on Unchain the Lights

Quote
How could you choose
With your head in the noose
With no time to lose

are fucking awesome, he also is really good on LtSDUY so I take back my disappointment in him being on the record.

Got to say, a big reason why I love this album is all the guest vocalists are well used.  They seem to have the correct voices/styles for the parts.  Really loving Robert Mason as well on Babylon Vampyres.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on February 02, 2016, 04:02:50 PM
Marco is from Nightwish, and Herbie is from a band called Seventh Avenue which I don't know.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on February 02, 2016, 04:03:36 PM
Cram, you are all over this, bro. Cool!

Marco is from Nightwish, and Herbie is from a band called Seventh Avenue which I don't know.

Thanks!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on February 02, 2016, 04:04:30 PM
BTW, who are Herbie Langhans and Marco Hietela? I'm not familiar with them.

Marco is the bassist/male vocalist from Nightwish, I love him so much.

I am not familiar at all with Herbie, but he is great on Draconian Love and since he is touring with them, I'm thinking it's likely we get that song live.
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Post by: jingle.boy on February 02, 2016, 04:05:13 PM
I love how Marco's song is titled Master of the Pendulum, and totally has a Nightwish vibe to it.  :lol
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on February 02, 2016, 04:13:16 PM
BTW, who are Herbie Langhans and Marco Hietela? I'm not familiar with them.

Marco is the bassist/male vocalist from Nightwish, I love him so much.

I am not familiar at all with Herbie, but he is great on Draconian Love and since he is touring with them, I'm thinking it's likely we get that song live.

Herbie on Draconian Love sounds a bit like McCoy from Fields Of The Nephilim.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on February 02, 2016, 05:19:23 PM
Cram, you are all over this, bro. Cool!

While everyone was eating up The Astonishing, I had that on hold due to a "respectful" request by my friend to wait and listen with him the first time, so I've just been going all out with this album and since I really loved it, I haven't been able to stop listening

I love how Marco's song is titled Master of the Pendulum, and totally has a Nightwish vibe to it.  :lol

Yup,the song fits him so well.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 02, 2016, 06:14:41 PM
Herbie is also known for his fantastic performance on Beyond the Bridge's The Old Man and the Spirit.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: NoseofNicko on February 02, 2016, 09:10:30 PM
I don't like Ghostlights. It's too generic. In my opinion the power metal genre is pretty much dead. Nothing original comes out anymore. If you know of a recent power metal album that is original, please tell me, I'll be happy to listen to it.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on February 02, 2016, 09:26:38 PM
If you are wanting your power metal to be original then I think you'll never be happy.

Tobi produces some of the most epic, freshest power metal out there IMO also.

Saying that, I've been listening to Gloryhammer's latest and it's really quite fresh, but definitely not original.

Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: NoseofNicko on February 02, 2016, 09:47:45 PM
Saying that, I've been listening to Gloryhammer's latest and it's really quite fresh, but definitely not original.

I'll check it out anyway. Thanks.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 02, 2016, 10:17:31 PM
How can Power Metal be generic?
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: senecadawg2 on February 02, 2016, 10:26:34 PM
I'll double down on Gloryhammer--I really like that flavor of power metal.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: gazinwales on February 02, 2016, 10:53:07 PM
I go through amazon.com.  It's a lot cheaper than amazon uk.

I don't think there is a lot of difference.
I've found shipping is generally faster from the UK.
But if they don't have the stock  ;D
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: gazinwales on February 02, 2016, 10:54:36 PM
Can't recommend Gloryhammer enough, first album was killer, best power metal I'd heard for quite a few years.
The new one might be equally as good, just haven't played it enough..
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on February 03, 2016, 04:33:33 AM
Ghostlights is a wonderful album. My early impression was that after track 7 the album took a dramatic dive in quality, but I've come to appreciate Lucifer, Babylon Vampyres and also Unchain the Light, even though it can be swapped with Dweller in a Dream and no one would notice the difference.

The letdowns for me are Isle of Evermore and the closing song. The first one is very bland and generic, I don't mind that it's not a traditional power metal ballad (I love the broadway-ish The Haunting and the gothic, hey-hey-heyish Draconian Love), it's just that the song itself is forgettable, I would have welcomed a strong song in that style.

Also, A Restless Heart and Obsidian Skies doesn't live up to its wonderful title. It doesn't hold a candle against The Story Ain't Over (whose chorus inspired this one), Journey to Arcadia (Another saga closing song) and The Great Mystery (The closing one of the previous album, but then again The Great Mystery is one of Tobi's greatest songs ever so it's kinda hard to top that one).

All in all a gorgeous album, better than its predecessor, and a worthy chapter in Avantasia's never failing history!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on February 03, 2016, 12:45:35 PM
So I've listened to Ghostlights a few times now and I just want to say...

Will you heed the token..



Seriously, this album is GREAT!

Loving it immensely.

I'll say this. Tobi is an amazing songwriter. I was late to the Avantasia party, but his work on these albums is very impressive. Chad, you are so right when you made this comment:
I love how Marco's song is titled Master of the Pendulum, and totally has a Nightwish vibe to it.  :lol
While I'll have to take your word on the Nightwish vibe, your point is well taken. Tobi does an awesome job of putting his guest singers in an excellent position with his song choices. Even Tate, who I did say right away that Tobi would get Tate's best, sounded very good. That's a good song that sounds kind of Ryche-ish at times.

I have to believe that their is competition amongst the guests. Between what Tobi got out of Tate, and God only know how he got what he did out of old JLT, you can tell that they are proud and reaching. Heck, even Kiske seemed to have raised his game for Ghostlights (if that's even possible).

Damn, there is some great guitar work on this. Babylon Vampyres, in particular, is smoking.

Yes, Mask, Isle Of Evermore has "skip" written all over it, but all in all...


... a Great album!!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on February 03, 2016, 12:49:25 PM
Agreed about the guest singers, I really don't have a single complaint about any of the guest vocalists on this album, they all seem to fit the part.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on February 03, 2016, 01:05:05 PM
I'm very much looking forward to spinning this (yet again) and following the lyrics.  For Doc's benefit on which characters are which vocalists:

Aaron - Tobi
Temptation - Jorn
Magician - Atkins
Scientist I - Robert Mason
Nightmare - Dee Snider
Scientist II - Tater
Mystic - Kiske
Eclipse - Herbie
Watchmaker - Marco
Muse - Sharon
Spirit - Catley

@ Tim... Nightwish fans will get my comment moreso than you (being not-so-experienced), as there are two songs on Nightwish's 2007 album (Dark Passion Play) he pulled the song title from - Master Passion Greed, and Poet and the Pendulum.  You might dig Master Passion Greed - which features Marco as the sole lead vocalist - at the time, I think that was the first song he took sole lead on.

Tobi does do a masterful job of writing melodies (lyrical and musical) that suit the vocalist.

Isle of Evermore has it's place - even if I'm not a big fan at all of Sharon's voice/style.  It's not bad, but it just doesn't have any ... oomph.  I would've gladly taken Tobi's previous ladies - Amanda or Cloudy - over Sharon.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 03, 2016, 01:54:56 PM
I love Sharon's voice, but found Isle of Evermore to be rather underwhelming, especially since I think Tobi generally writes excellent ballads.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on February 03, 2016, 02:04:31 PM
@ Tim... Nightwish fans will get my comment moreso than you (being not-so-experienced), as there are two songs on Nightwish's 2007 album (Dark Passion Play) he pulled the song title from - Master Passion Greed, and Poet and the Pendulum.   

Ahh I get it! That's cool.

Maybe on the next one, Kiske gets a track called Keeper Of The Pink Chameleon! ;D
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on February 03, 2016, 03:28:33 PM
I love Sharon's voice, but found Isle of Evermore to be rather underwhelming, especially since I think Tobi generally writes excellent ballads.

Indeed, but lately he's been lacking a bit in that. Sleepwalking and Isle of Evermore are among the weakest songs off the last Avantasia chapter(s), and also Alone in Myself on Edguy's Space Police wasn't that great.

Anyway, he makes up for it with excellent epic songs and power metal anthems so I'll give him a pass on that  :D
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: ariich on February 04, 2016, 04:26:34 AM
Not particularly an Avantasia fan, but I figured I'd check the new album out anyway.

Only on the first song so far, which is pure Meat Loaf. :lol
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on February 04, 2016, 04:32:08 AM
I love Sharon's voice, but found Isle of Evermore to be rather underwhelming, especially since I think Tobi generally writes excellent ballads.

Indeed, but lately he's been lacking a bit in that. Sleepwalking and Isle of Evermore are among the weakest songs off the last Avantasia chapter(s), and also Alone in Myself on Edguy's Space Police wasn't that great.

Anyway, he makes up for it with excellent epic songs and power metal anthems so I'll give him a pass on that  :D

Alone in Myself was the first ballad from Tobi that I was disappointed with.  Everything he did before that was magic, although I agree Sleepwalking wasn't his best either.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on February 04, 2016, 10:15:28 AM
I'm still waiting for my copy and damn, I ventured in this thread by mistake, so anyway.

I'm not a big fan of Edguy so I don't know on that front, but I'll say Tobi hasn't written a great Avantasia ballad since In Quest For. The only one I liked from The Scarecrow onwards was What Kind of Love (and, well, if you count Runaway Train and The Great Mystery - which I don't - these two are great too).
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bosk1 on February 04, 2016, 10:18:52 AM
I like the ballads on TMOT.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on February 04, 2016, 10:21:26 AM
Oh right, I forgot about What's Left of Me. This one is pretty excellent. I stand corrected.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on February 04, 2016, 10:55:34 AM
I like the ballads on TMOT.

As do I.  I have no problems with the Avantasia ballads include Isle of Evermore. It's not great, but it's not bad IMO.

And Lucifer is amazing if you ask me, but that is more of a power ballad.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on February 04, 2016, 10:59:14 AM
I like the ballads on TMOT.

As do I.  I have no problems with the Avantasia ballads include Isle of Evermore. It's not great, but it's not bad IMO.

And Lucifer is amazing if you ask me, but that is more of a power ballad.

I dunno, Sleepwalking, Carry me Over, Cry Just a Little, The Edge and Blowing out the Flame are very mediocre for me.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on February 04, 2016, 11:02:19 AM
Carry Me Over is an awesome song if you ask me, I really enjoy Sleepwalking and The Edge... the other two aren't my favorites.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on February 04, 2016, 11:54:04 AM
Love Carry Me Over as well! and I totally forgot about What's Left of Me, that's great as well. So is The Edge. Blowing Out the Flame is a bit less good but still enjoyable.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on February 04, 2016, 12:41:12 PM
I really like The Edge.

Still amazes me that The Story Aint Over was a b-side.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Polarbear on February 04, 2016, 12:54:48 PM
i'm surprised that there isn't more love for Isle of Evermore around here.

I thought it was quite good, and Sharon is a one hell of singer!

Also i haven't been able to get the chorus of Draconian Love, out of my head. It's really good!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on February 04, 2016, 01:48:28 PM
I really like The Edge.

Still amazes me that The Story Aint Over was a b-side.

True, I can't believe that either, great song!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on February 09, 2016, 10:42:38 AM
Alright, finally got this bad boy in the mail...

(https://i.imgur.com/dlTogtS.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/iXHchpc.jpg)

What's in the box: an 3CD-earbook with the lyrics and loads of photos, a signed card with Mr. Sammet's photo, a Nuclear Blast news and mailorder maganize - too bad the news are in German - oh well; a laminate pass with exquisite Avantasia ribbon which will be a welcome addition for my work permit, the bonus 10" vinyl with Mystery of a Blood Red Rose on side A and Draconian Love on side B (the vinyl came outside the boxset with a note from NB apologizing for that and explaining it was due to some pressing delays), two posters - one on more thick paper and of higher quality (on the right) was inside the box, another one (on the left) was included outside the box with the vinyl; and a certificate saying I'm the 940th owner out of 1000. :lol

I've got a few threads to get up on DTF, but after that I'm all prepared for listening to this for the first time.

(https://i.imgur.com/54IuLwS.jpg)

(I couldn't find a Ghostlights beer, unfortunately.)

Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on February 09, 2016, 11:31:06 AM
Nice!  :metal
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on February 09, 2016, 11:44:13 AM
Awesome!!!  :metal listening to the album right now for the record  :hat
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on February 09, 2016, 12:53:45 PM
That is absolutely awesome Ruslan!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on February 09, 2016, 01:20:59 PM
It is indeed!

Just finished my first listen and it might be indeed as good as The Scarecrow and The Mystery of Time if it grows on me a bit. So far I think it's better than The Wicked Symphony if only because it's got much more superior flow, but still not quite on the level of the former two.

The highlights for me are Seduction of Decay (Tobias did an amazing job writing melodies for Tate, great song overall), Ghostlights (well I was fawning over this song even before the album came out), Babylon Vampires (kickass all the way through), Lucifer (whoever said this was a piano ballad? I wish it went for at least three or four minutes more. Such potential in this song) and Unchain the Light (this song could use TAC-approved recipe with more Kiske included).

Honestly, this album seems great but it must be the first Avantasia album I'm not instantly praising the epic. I think I've got to digest this one, I didn't appreciate it much. Same goes for Master of the Pendulum.

The Haunting and the Catley track is about what I expected. One is quite good remake of Death is Just a Feeling (not Amadeus Awad album), and the second is a typical Catley sings Avantasia track. Mystery of a Blood Red Rose is in the same category I think.

The biggest disappoinment after the first listen is Draconian Love. I didn't like this track at all. I love Herbie's vocals - The Old Man and The Spirit is in my Top 10 albums of all time - but this track... it just wasn't up my alley at all. I hope it'll grow on me on the next listens, but after the first spin it's somewhere down there with, um... I don't even know what, Crestfallen and Blowing Out the Flame or something like that, those Avantasia tracks I have no desire to listen to.

So, well, this album could be as good as The Scarecrow and The Mystery of Time, and given my enormous love for those two, it's quite a high praise from me. I think it just needs a few more listens. I'm really glad I've bought this huge deluxe edition.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on February 09, 2016, 01:47:36 PM
That boxset is awesome.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on February 09, 2016, 02:25:56 PM
Nice write up, I can see how one might not like Draconian love, but it's so damn catchy.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: gazinwales on February 10, 2016, 12:29:00 PM
DL is by far my fave track on the album, killer tune.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on February 10, 2016, 12:37:15 PM
Apparantly from an interview, Tobi thought it could have been the single but the record company pushed MoaBRR.  I get it, but DL is so much better IMO and it's really poppy and catchy.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: senecadawg2 on February 15, 2016, 06:02:13 PM
Only a month and a half in, but this has got to be my favorite album of the calendar year so far. Let the Storm Descend Upon You, Seduction of Decay and Draconian Love are my three favorites at the moment, but I quite enjoy all of them.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on February 20, 2016, 08:55:02 AM
My slightly overkill double compilation for an hypothetical Avantasia show.

I always make compilations that last 90 minutes and counting, since it's the time of a round trip to work, but with so many Avantasia albums and (long) songs I felt the need to go double and make a 3 hour "show", since I organize most of my compilations as if they were setlists. Of course 3 hours is the playing time so a real show would take a lot more (pauses, introductions, extended endings etc) so you'd have to trim a song or two (or three or four), but this is my fantasy setlist that I planned loosely based on how the singers would appear - and that I listen over two days during my round trips at work:

SET 1

Spectres
Twisted Mind
Mystery of a Blood Red Rose
Prelude
Reach Out for the Light
Wastelands
In Quest For
Runaway Train
Shelter from the Rain
The Haunting
The Scarecrow
Master of the Pendulum
Promised Land
Draconian Love
Where Clock Hands Freeze
Ghostlights
The Mystery of Time

====INTERMISSION====

SET 2

The Wicked Symphony
Angel of Babylon
Babylon Vampyres
What's Left of Me
Let the Storm Descend Upon You
Your Love is Evil
Farewell
The Toy Master
Death is Just a Feeling
Lost in Space
Dying for an Angel
Avantasia

======== encore:

The Seven Angels
The Story ain't Over
Sign of the Cross
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on February 20, 2016, 04:00:20 PM
Nice, I'm really excited to see what songs they pull out this tour since I will actually be able to see them, plus for NYC Bob Catley won't be there so it makes things different and I wonder how they will pull it off.  In an interview Tobie said he didn't think about this yet.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on February 21, 2016, 02:34:18 AM
To me Catley and Kiske are the only irreplaceable singers, and Jorn Lande to an extent. The other songs can work well with any generic "metal singer", but I hardly see anyone else singing Bob Catley's songs. Kiske was replaced by Andrè Matos when he was still in his "I'm singing metal but I'm not performing it live" phase, but now that he has Unisonic and that he takes part in Avantasia tours, replacing him would be very difficult.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on February 21, 2016, 08:25:48 PM
My first two listens of this album were kinda meh, but on my third listen, and this album is fucking brilliant.  Very long, but really really great.  Lucifer is one of the best things Tobi has ever done.  It could have been made into a long epic though.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on February 22, 2016, 01:10:00 AM
My first two listens of this album were kinda meh, but on my third listen, and this album is fucking brilliant.  Very long, but really really great.  Lucifer is one of the best things Tobi has ever done.  It could have been made into a long epic though.

My thoughts are along these lines too. After the multiple listens the album grew on me big time. Lucifer is probably my favourite song now too, shame it ends so quickly.

I still can't get into Let the Storm Descend Upon You though. Must be my least favourite Avantasia epic so far. I hope it'll click with me soon, but it didn't happen yet.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on February 22, 2016, 04:25:15 AM
I think Let the Storm is absolutely epic.  I liked that one on the first listen, but that's getting better too.  Amazing chorus.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on February 22, 2016, 04:54:52 AM
Very pleased with this album after my third full listen.

At first I thought the Haunting and Seduction was a bit of a slow point, but really enjoy both of those songs now.  Dee sounds great.  Tate is okay, but I still think he sounds like shit really, but Tobi did well considering what he had to work with.

Sascha's guitar work this time around is much more enjoyable.  I have never really been a fan of his style, it's very wanky, but his solos are structured really well and never really ramble off for the sake of it like they have in the past.  Kulick I have decided is a monster guitarist, and Hartmann is solid with his leads too.

Needs more Ronnie and Jorn IMO, but the variety of singers is really nice.  Marco's Nightwish inspired song is a highlight, and Mason is a surprisingly great addition too.  There's some pretty typical Avantasia moments on here like Babylon and Unchain the Light, but somehow they are still quite fresh.  Draconian Love at first I thought was shit, but now I love it too.  The Story Ain't Over is a great closer too.

Incredible album.  Tobi has outdone himself, best since Scarecrow, at least.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Bolsters on February 22, 2016, 05:16:14 AM
I think Let the Storm is absolutely epic.  I liked that one on the first listen, but that's getting better too.  Amazing chorus.
It's one of my favourites, currently.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on February 22, 2016, 06:03:14 AM
There's some pretty typical Avantasia moments on here like Babylon and Unchain the Light, but somehow they are still quite fresh. 

This is kind of how I feel.  I don't think this album is anything really different or stands out much compared to the rest of the albums.  Sounds like typical Avantasia, but the songs are just done "better" and the vocalists all seem to "fit" with the songs.  That's why I think it is their best release, not by much, just a smudge better than TMoT and The Scarecrow for me.

I think I may be the only one who likes Lucifer the way it is.  It's perfect.  I think if it were longer we wouldn't be sitting here saying how epic it is once the guitars get rolling in that song.  Jorn is such a beast on it.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on February 22, 2016, 01:26:42 PM
Yeah, it's fine and was written that way for a reason.  Kulick slays on that one too.

The bonus track is really good too.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on February 22, 2016, 01:32:24 PM
Yea, I like the bonus track, a nice little song with all of the staple Avantasia singers.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Dr. DTVT on February 22, 2016, 02:56:07 PM

I still can't get into Let the Storm Descend Upon You though. Must be my least favourite Avantasia epic so far. I hope it'll click with me soon, but it didn't happen yet.

I fell on the opposite end of the spectrum, that song was an instant click for me.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on February 22, 2016, 03:00:46 PM

I still can't get into Let the Storm Descend Upon You though. Must be my least favourite Avantasia epic so far. I hope it'll click with me soon, but it didn't happen yet.

I fell on the opposite end of the spectrum, that song was an instant click for me.

Same.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on February 22, 2016, 03:41:34 PM

I still can't get into Let the Storm Descend Upon You though. Must be my least favourite Avantasia epic so far. I hope it'll click with me soon, but it didn't happen yet.

I fell on the opposite end of the spectrum, that song was an instant click for me.

Same.

Yup, same here.  I wouldn't rate it as high as some of the other Avantasia epics, but that intro instantly hit me.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on February 22, 2016, 03:55:20 PM
I love how the main riff is a reprise of The Great Mystery.  I was quite happy because that riff was one of my fav parts on TMOT, and I always wished Tobi utilised it further in that song, but now I finally got my wish.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: McNugg on February 26, 2016, 04:17:10 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX7EIBXVXJM

Ended up third place in the German Eurovision entry contest with the cut down version of Blood Red Rose.  Disappointed as would have been nice to see them at the contest but still my least favourite song from the album, would have been cool to see them try with a more metal song for the lolz :P

On the plus side at least i'm going to see them in London after scrapping my trip to see DT last week. :D  Ridiculously excited!!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on February 26, 2016, 05:38:10 AM
Wow, Amanda on piano.  Sounded fairly good even without the real ending.  Not even close to the best song on the album (I rank it as the worst song) so no surprise to me they didn't win (besides the genre of music this is), but still very cool to see them try and it was a solid performance.  Hopefully they got a few new fans from the exposure.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kwyjibo on February 26, 2016, 07:20:56 AM
Taking part in the European Song Contest isn't exactyl tr00 for metal bands :biggrin:
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bosk1 on February 26, 2016, 08:15:37 AM
So far, this album isn't really clicking for me.  TMOT was an impulse buy after I saw it ranked very highly on some "album of the year" lists and heard very favorable reviews.  That one clicked instantly for me.  This one just isn't grabbing me.  Granted, The Astonishing is dominating my play list right now, along with the 3-hours of so of music I need to re-learn for a gig in early May, so I haven't listened to this one as much.  I'm not writing it off, but it just isn't hitting the way TMOT did.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on February 26, 2016, 08:22:21 AM
It has really grown on me a lot. Besides the roulette entries, this album and new Headspace is pretty much what I'm spinning now constantly. This album is excellent. I trashed Draconian Love before, now I think it's quite good. Catchy as hell.

I just noticed that TGM riff Kade was talking about in the epic. Wow, this record just keeps getting better and better in a good way.

I still think TMOT is slightly better, but it was excellent and quite difficult to top in my book.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on February 26, 2016, 08:24:10 AM
I still think TMOT is slightly better, but it was excellent and quite difficult to top in my book.

Topped it for me, but only by a smudge.  I think this album has the best guest vocalist/usage of any of their albums.  Everything just seems to fit and even my own negative attitude towards some of the guests when they were announced has caused me to eat crow.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bosk1 on February 26, 2016, 08:56:05 AM
I will also say that, while Seduction of Decay is a standout, it reminds me very much of A Dead Man's Words, which constantly sends me off into long rants inside my own head about so much that frustrates me to no end about that era of Queensryche.  :rant:
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kwyjibo on February 26, 2016, 11:41:32 AM
Seduction Of Decay is a great track but Tate's performance, while better than I feared, isn't really up to par. There are several moments where he sounds a little off key, and his phrasing is sometimes odd.

Makes me wonder how the song would sound with another singer.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on February 26, 2016, 04:31:02 PM
I think I like this new one better than TMOT already.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: ErHaO on February 29, 2016, 04:13:29 AM
Yeah, it is a really good album overall. I can see this becoming my favourite Avantasia disc (as I have stated before, most albums at least have a few songs that do nothing for me, this one is really consistent).

Taking part in the European Song Contest isn't exactyl tr00 for metal bands :biggrin:

Well, it is not unprecidented for metal artists to attempt to be there. Here is Marco, Tony Kakko and co. doing a metalized Take on Me, for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRE5nICkEEo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRE5nICkEEo) Don't know if this counts as "true metal" though  :lol But Mystery of a Blood Red Rose is basically Meat Loaf, of which some songs are absolute pop classics over here.

Also, Norway had this contribution, for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCDPWsBtOaI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCDPWsBtOaI), which absolutely is metal (starts 1:04 in). Gotta love scandinavian countries for this, given the usual material I see at Eurovision  :P None of them were at the actual contest, however.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kwyjibo on February 29, 2016, 06:54:29 AM
I was just making fun of it. The european song contest and it's preliminaries in Germany are an event that I absolutely can't take serious because of the music, the people involved, the people who watch this regularly, the people who vote, the people who hype this etc.

This may be different in other countries but in Germany it's mostly a joke, so I'm always surprised when anyone wants to take part in it without being forced.

And Tobi's "Vote For Metal" official trailer features some of the finest metal musicians in Germany but also some of the most embarrasing and awkward metal-wannabees (Martin Kesici I'm looking at you).

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Post by: cramx3 on February 29, 2016, 06:57:31 AM
As an American, I think it is pretty cool.  For these typs of contests all we have is the pop music.  We never get to see a metal band take the main stage so I think it is cool to see.

As much as I love Marco, that video of Take On Me is pretty bad  :lol
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Post by: Kwyjibo on February 29, 2016, 07:16:19 AM
But to see that one metal band in contests like these you have to endure another 10 to 20 more or bad (sometimes atrocious) performances.
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Post by: Evermind on March 04, 2016, 10:51:25 AM
So hey, the first show is tonight. Time flies!

I didn't think of the setlist a lot, but as I said somewhere before regarding epics, I'm thinking they'll play the new one (obviously), The Scarecrow (now that Jorn's on board) and Runaway Train (since they have all singers for this, Catley, Lande and Kiske). Not sure if the length of the show will allow this, but I also hope they'll play Saviour in the Clockwork with Tobi, Jorn, Ronnie and Michael on vocals. This should be awesome.

Out of the new songs, besides the epic I'm sure they'll play Seduction of Decay (I think I recall Tobi said so in one of the interviews), Draconian Love (since Herbie is on tour with them; I also hope they'll dig something like The Toy Master for him to sing), Ghostlights (they totally should do it), Mystery of a Blood Red Rose and maybe Lucifer (I hope so). I think they should leave A Restless Heart and Obsidian Skies out, this song is kind of generic, better play The Story Ain't Over if you're at it.
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Post by: McNugg on March 04, 2016, 11:39:51 AM
Can't wait to see the setlist!  Flying all the way down to London to see them for the first time on Tuesday.  So excited to finally see Michael Kiske live :D :D :D

Was really disappointed that they didn't play When Clock Hands Freeze on the last tour so they had better roll out Ghostlights this time.  Also really hope they play The Tower again, really want to see that live.  Safe to assume the standards like The Scarecrow, Runaway Train, Another Angel Down, Promised Land, Farewell and the like will be played.  Three hour show so plenty of time to fit stuff in :)

I do wonder though, if they do Seduction of Decay who will sing it live?  Maybe Herbie or just Tobi on his own?  Would also be pretty nice to see Ronnie and Jorn singing together on a song :metal

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Post by: Evermind on March 04, 2016, 11:42:48 AM
I wish they played When Clock Hands Freeze, great song. The Tower would be amazing too, never saw it live before.

Seduction of Decay... I'm thinking either Herbie or Eric Martin. Ronnie and Jorn could do something like Twisted Mind - last time Ronnie and Eric did it by themselves without Tobi.

Now that I'm thinking about it, Ronnie and Jorn could do a perfect rendition of Lucifer.
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Post by: McNugg on March 04, 2016, 02:08:57 PM
Thinking about it, I can imagine Jorn and Tobi sharing Seduction of Decay.  I think Jorn would fit Geoff Tates parts pretty well.  Will be gutted if they don't do Lucifer
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Post by: bosk1 on March 04, 2016, 02:15:17 PM
Tobi's parts on that blend really well with Tate's to the point that there are parts where you have to listen closely to tell who is singing (and that is not meant to be an insult to Tobi at all).  So just in terms of them being able to replicate it well without Tate, I wouldn't think I would be a problem.
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Post by: Evermind on March 04, 2016, 05:27:54 PM
So there's this setlist, not sure how right it is but it seems legit:

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/avantasia/2016/huxleys-neue-welt-berlin-germany-bf0819e.html

I'm relieved to see The Scarecrow and Lucifer in the middle of the set. Glad they also played both Ghostlights and Unchain the Light. No Runaway Train, but I was kind of ready for this - instead we get The Wicked Symphony and Stargazers again, and no Saviour in the Clockwork. And The Great Mystery again. That's unfortunate. Cool to see The Watchmakers' Dream up there though.

Also, no Seduction of Decay and they played both Restless Heart and The Story ain't Over, that's kind of meh. And Lost in Space for an encore? Almost any song from the setlist would've been better.

I'm torn about this setlist. On one hand, so many great songs, but that's a given when you talk about 3-hours-long Avantasia show, and I know I will be crazy about most of them on the show. On the other hand, well, I'm still underwhelmed somehow.
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Post by: McNugg on March 05, 2016, 04:03:46 AM
It's certainly a very safe set imo.  Not disappointed by any means but was hoping for a bit of a change-up from the last tour instead of most of the same with a few new ones chucked in. 
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Post by: wolfking on March 06, 2016, 03:38:46 AM
Pretty good set IMO.
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Post by: wolfking on March 08, 2016, 01:48:36 PM
This album rivals the Scarecrow, it's amazing.  Album of the year so far for me.
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Post by: McNugg on March 08, 2016, 05:28:31 PM
Hooooly shit what an amazing show.   Tobi on amazing form,  nailed everything his voice was very strong indeed.   Jorn - What a beast he is to behold live,  videos don't do him justice,  they really don't.   Kiske - words just can't describe him.

The whole band and every vocalist was just stunning.   The whole show had an amazing atmosphere,  so much singing and enthusiasm from the crowd.   Going to be hard for me to top this live experience.

The set was great,  same as other nights but the song order just works.   Highlights being Lucifer,  Scarecrow,  Reach out for the light and twisted mind.   I've always thought twisted mind was a bit bland but holy crap it works well when your in the crowd,  absolutely brilliant with everyone singing along.

If anyone is on the fence about going to an Avantasia gig,  DO IT!
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Post by: wolfking on March 08, 2016, 09:54:59 PM
Lucky bugger!
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Post by: TAC on March 09, 2016, 07:09:26 AM
This album rivals the Scarecrow, it's amazing.  Album of the year so far for me.

I've only given it a couple of spins. After listening to DT non stop until the Anthrax/Redemption releases, there just hasn't been much time. I'm revisiting Megadeth's Dystopia this morning and then I think I'll give the Avantasia a few days of exclusivity.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on March 09, 2016, 07:27:01 AM
It's very early in the year but wolfking might be right. Ghostlight will at least be a serious contender for album of the year. Although I'm not sure what to make of the new DT yet.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 09, 2016, 10:21:47 AM
It's very early in the year but wolfking might be right. Ghostlight will at least be a serious contender for album of the year. Although I'm not sure what to make of the new DT yet.

I'd rate Ghostlights over TA.  Both are great, but Ghostlights has all the hooks to catch you whereas TA takes a lot of dedication to start to appreciate the hooks because it doesn't smack you in the face like all of those catchy chorus's.  GL is my album of the year so far, easily.
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Post by: TAC on March 09, 2016, 11:16:29 AM
After having a nice listen to Ghostlights I would like to say that this is a great album.  Personally, I'm in the TA camp, but that doesn't diminish Ghostlights at all.

A few thoughts..
- I kind of jokingly said that this album needs more Kiske, but 1 song and a call in a chorus is not enough. He is a MAJOR draw to this project for me, and frankly I need more on the next album.
- Not sure I could get through an entire album of Jorn or Atkins, but they are both excellent on this. Love Atkins on the Title Track.
- Oh and after Savior In The Clocktower being my track of the year, the Ghostlights Title Track is mine for this year so far. I would have to be blown away by something else to have this unseated. That chorus is too much. Amazing.
- Lucifer is an awesome tune
- I love what Tobi did with Tate and The Seduction Of Decay is excellent. If Tobi could write and produce Tate's next album, I'd be all over it. If I fell asleep in 1995 and woke today and heard this song, I'd be very happy. He doesn't have nearly the depth that he used to have, but it is a great performance, given his "limitations".
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Post by: TAC on March 09, 2016, 12:20:26 PM
Oh, and nothing against Dee Snider. I do LOVE his voice, but The Haunting would've been great with Alice Cooper. Personal preference, but it's basically an Alice song anyway. It's certainly a song in the Alice style. Not only is the piano betoween the verses a rip on Steven, but the vocal lines in the beginning jumped out at me as being very close to This House Is Haunted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNCqjsXrC_8
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Post by: Evermind on March 09, 2016, 01:17:57 PM
Yeah, this album definitely needs more Kiske. I'm watching the live performance of a title track from Berlin (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxmXLoKPLqs) and damn, I have no idea how he manages to pull off all those notes every night. This is incredible.

It's also funny how he forgot Jorn's lyrics on the song. It was like he began to sing and then turned to Tobi with "Wait, why am I even singing this? Where the hell is Jorn?" expression. :lol

The new album is indeed great, but at this point I think it's unlikely it will beat either The Scarecrow, TMOT or Metal Opera pt. 1 for me. Definitely better than the other three though. Middle of the pack and that equals great for a band like Avantasia. Might be album of the year too, depends on what else comes out this year.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on March 10, 2016, 01:04:04 AM
Kiske is great on this as always but the two tracks he's on are my least favorite of the record so far, doesn't mean they are bad though.

And reagrding The Haunting, I immediately thought this could also be sung by Alice Cooper (or even Ozzy) and it would fit.
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Post by: wolfking on March 10, 2016, 05:05:59 AM
Definitely could use more Kiske, Jorn and Aitkins if you ask me.  I'd like to hear Catley on a heavier number too for once.

IMO, you can't compare this to TA, it's like judging shit and gold.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 16, 2016, 10:43:20 AM
From FB:
Quote
WE'RE FILMING THE SOLD OUT PRAGUE SHOW TONIGHT!
And: Dates in München, Gießen & St. Goarshausen have been added to the tour! Due to public demand we have been confirmed for a few more summer dates, check the flyer below! Langen was great yesterday, sold out! THANK YOU! Prague is sold out as well tonight: 4,000 Czech AVANTASIANS… You are absolutely amazing! We're getting ready for the show. Here's a look into the men's dressing room! wink emoticon Tobi

That's awesome they are filming the show
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Post by: Evermind on March 16, 2016, 11:12:01 AM
Yeah, I'll be all over the DVD if they will release it.
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Post by: jingle.boy on March 16, 2016, 05:48:11 PM
Giddy-freaking-up!
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Post by: wolfking on March 16, 2016, 09:41:22 PM
Just watched the Flying Circus the other night and still really loved it, I'm all over this one too.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 17, 2016, 06:13:27 AM
Just watched the Flying Circus the other night and still really loved it, I'm all over this one too.

The Flying Circus has shit video quality, that is my only problem with it and a reason I hardly watch my blu ray so I would much rather a new one that is well done, as well of course with the new songs. 
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Post by: wolfking on March 17, 2016, 06:14:41 AM
Just watched the Flying Circus the other night and still really loved it, I'm all over this one too.

The Flying Circus has shit video quality, that is my only problem with it and a reason I hardly watch my blu ray so I would much rather a new one that is well done, as well of course with the new songs.

I actually thought that when I was watching it.  I love it it and all but I did question the quality at times.  I don't really care but I never noticed it when it was released to be honest.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 17, 2016, 06:24:50 AM
Just watched the Flying Circus the other night and still really loved it, I'm all over this one too.

The Flying Circus has shit video quality, that is my only problem with it and a reason I hardly watch my blu ray so I would much rather a new one that is well done, as well of course with the new songs.

I actually thought that when I was watching it.  I love it it and all but I did question the quality at times.  I don't really care but I never noticed it when it was released to be honest.

I guess it's all about timing, I'm a relatively new Avantasia fan so I bought that blu-ray less than a year ago and watching that after watching other concert blu-rays such as DT's and IM's I was let down a lot in terms of quality.  Not that it takes away from the performance, but it does make it harder to watch.  If i had watched that when it was released I might have felt differently.
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Post by: wolfking on March 17, 2016, 06:27:23 AM
It's probably the hype of when I got it on release.  As things age you are able to disect it more.  As you say, doesn't detract from it, but I agree it's quite noticeable.
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Post by: jingle.boy on March 17, 2016, 08:06:45 AM
Do you mean The Flying Opera: Around the World in 20 Days?  Just watched/listened to some of that on my flight home last night.  Still love it... essential DVD (as I stated in my Top 50).

Sure, video quality is gonna be shyte when compared to BluRay.  Just like HD vs SD is shit.  Technology improvements and such.  Still a fantastic concert.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 17, 2016, 08:28:19 AM
Do you mean The Flying Opera: Around the World in 20 Days?  Just watched/listened to some of that on my flight home last night.  Still love it... essential DVD (as I stated in my Top 50).

Sure, video quality is gonna be shyte when compared to BluRay.  Just like HD vs SD is shit.  Technology improvements and such.  Still a fantastic concert.

I have it on blu-ray  :biggrin:  But yea, I think I get your point and yes, still a fantastic concert.  Certainly not trying to take anything away from that.
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 17, 2016, 09:59:57 AM
The setlist from the DVD show is damn massive.

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/avantasia/2016/forum-karlin-prague-czech-republic-43f03b93.html
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Post by: cramx3 on March 17, 2016, 10:02:47 AM
The setlist from the DVD show is damn massive.

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/avantasia/2016/forum-karlin-prague-czech-republic-43f03b93.html

Im not checking because I've been avoiding the setlist spoilers, but for a 3 hours show, I would expect it to be a lot of songs.  Is this set any different than what they have been playing? 
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 17, 2016, 10:05:05 AM
I'd say it's a big compilation of everything they've played on the tour so far.  :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on March 17, 2016, 10:09:49 AM
I'd say it's a big compilation of everything they've played on the tour so far.  :lol

Not sure how to take this, as in maybe they are rotating setlists or its the exact same but regardless, I will let my imagination run with it.   :lol
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 17, 2016, 10:27:40 AM
It's pretty impressive. If you're seeing them live soon, you're definitely in for a treat.
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Post by: jingle.boy on March 17, 2016, 10:32:13 AM
The setlist from the DVD show is damn massive.

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/avantasia/2016/forum-karlin-prague-czech-republic-43f03b93.html

Im not checking because I've been avoiding the setlist spoilers, but for a 3 hours show, I would expect it to be a lot of songs.  Is this set any different than what they have been playing?

See... I'm the opposite.  I like to be 'prepared' for what I'm in store for.  Surprises are nice sometimes I guess, but I like to know what I'm in store for.

To each their own.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 17, 2016, 10:33:35 AM
It's pretty impressive. If you're seeing them live soon, you're definitely in for a treat.

One month in NYC! Can't wait.

The setlist from the DVD show is damn massive.

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/avantasia/2016/forum-karlin-prague-czech-republic-43f03b93.html

Im not checking because I've been avoiding the setlist spoilers, but for a 3 hours show, I would expect it to be a lot of songs.  Is this set any different than what they have been playing?

See... I'm the opposite.  I like to be 'prepared' for what I'm in store for.  Surprises are nice sometimes I guess, but I like to know what I'm in store for.

To each their own.

I used to be like that also because I found it heard not to resist the urge, but I noticed I enjoy the concerts more not knowing. 
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Post by: MirrorMask on March 23, 2016, 01:48:05 PM
I can finally come back to this thread, which I skipped to not get the setlist spoiled (surprises forevah  :metal)... man, what a maraton!!! three hours and a half of music, and excellent performances from everyone involved. The nicest thing about Avantasia is that it's a big family, everyone is a team player and nobody tries to steal the scene.

Tobi was great, basically flawless, and all the singers were great.  Kiske is obviously unbelieavable, but everyone else was at the top of the game, like the eternal Bob Catley or Jorn Lande whose performance was absolutely stellar!

It's hard to complain about a 24 songs, 200 minutes setlist but yeah, it's a pity there wasn't even more variety since last time around. I can understand not doing Master of the Pendulum because Marco Hietala wasn't thee, but when you have Kiske, Catley and Lande and you don't play Runaway Train... gaaah, what a missed opportunity! still, an amazing and superb show, something absolutely worthwhile to watch and a monumental effort from everyone involved.

A show absolutely to not miss, not this time around nor whenever they will do it again!!!
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Post by: TAC on March 23, 2016, 02:02:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRUdwSWALS0

Michael Kiske..Oh My!! :hefdaddy

I need a cold shower..and new pants!
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Post by: jingle.boy on March 23, 2016, 02:06:41 PM
Yeah, I'm stunned that Runaway Train isn't on the set list!   >:( :sadpanda:
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Post by: TAC on March 27, 2016, 11:25:26 AM
Oberhausen 3-20-16
https://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=557134
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Post by: Evermind on April 05, 2016, 02:06:48 AM
First Bobless setlist:

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/avantasia/2016/barba-negra-music-club-budapest-hungary-33f044ad.html

So no new songs, apparently they just pushed all Bob songs to the end and had Martin perform then.

Since I'm seeing them tomorrow, I will be able to confirm this for sure.

Personally I think Restless Heart followed by A Story Ain't Over with only one song in-between isn't such a good choice.

Edit: looks like some edited it and took out the former.
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Post by: wolfking on April 05, 2016, 05:25:24 AM
Restless Heart and Story Ain't Over is the same song.
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Post by: McNugg on April 05, 2016, 11:52:25 AM
The Story Aint Over seems to be performed solely by Tobi which is pretty cool.
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Post by: Evermind on April 05, 2016, 11:54:25 AM
The Story Aint Over seems to be performed solely by Tobi which is pretty cool.

Yeah. I suppose it works amazing as a set closer too.

I wish Lost in Space wasn't played as a part of encore though. I don't think it's such a good song, and it's absolutely not the best choice for the encore in my opinion. But Tobi seems to like it, so hey, whatever.
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Post by: Big Hath on April 05, 2016, 12:17:03 PM
I like it  :-\
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 05, 2016, 12:24:41 PM
If at all, The Story ain't Over should be the encore song, you have the catchphrase ready to introduce it... "Well, do you want more? good, 'cause the story ain't over"  ;D

I know they're killing themselves each night with 200 minutes of music, but I wish they'd use Spectres as first encore, being an opener and all. Just Lost in Space and then the final song after 3 hours seems a bit unbalanced.
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Post by: Evermind on April 05, 2016, 12:30:26 PM
If at all, The Story ain't Over should be the encore song, you have the catchphrase ready to introduce it... "Well, do you want more? good, 'cause the story ain't over"  ;D

I know they're killing themselves each night with 200 minutes of music, but I wish they'd use Spectres as first encore, being an opener and all. Just Lost in Space and then the final song after 3 hours seems a bit unbalanced.

:lol

When I thought about the setlist, before this tour began, I thought they were going to play Spectres as the show opener and then follow up with MoaBRR.
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 05, 2016, 12:45:54 PM
Me too. They used Twisted Mind as an opener for both the Scarecrow tour, and the following one when The Wicked Symphony was out, not using the title track instead, so I figured they would have went the same route, open with the song that starts the story of the latest saga, since Tobi sings it by himself anyway. Too bad they didn't use it in the encore, I would have gladly swapped it with The Watchmaker's Dream.
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Post by: Evermind on April 07, 2016, 12:02:07 PM
Alright, so, I posted some bits of info regarding Moscow show in my roulette thread, but I'm posting the most interesting tidbits here with my impressions overall.

I came early to the show, an hour and a half before the doors were opened, and I didn't intend to storm the first row or anything - last time I did that three years ago on the TMOT tour I somehow ended up at the edge of a moshpit (on Avantasia show, for real), so this time I decided I'll come early anyway but find a more comfortable position, get to the merch stand while they didn't sell out anything, drink a beer or two at the bar, this kind stuff. My friends who were attending this gig showed up at ~19:35 (the gig was to begin at 20:00) and they found a huge line at the entrance, they only got into the venue at ~20:25 and the show started five minutes after that. So I'm glad I arrived early and I've got a glimpse of Kiske as he sauntered past us in the bus. He looked at the window, smiled, threw the horns up and we all cheered. :biggrin:

Merch stand was fantastic this time (unlike the Steven Wilson show, where they had only one shirt with HCE album cover in front and only two shows in Russia on the back); four different T-shirts, lots of Avantasia vinyls, lots of special editions of their albums too - I saw gold edition of The Metal Opera, deluxe box with TWS / AOB, new album earbook, The Flying Opera 2CD+2DVD edition - quite a great selection overall and I would've picked something out of these if I hadn't have them all already. :biggrin: Sometimes it's painful to be a fan of a certain band. I did grab a Ghostlights T-shirt though (and proudly wore it at work today :D ), and since they also some other albums by the singers participating in the show, I grabbed Dracula - Swing of Death and City of Heroes for quite a cheap price, about $7 or so.

So the show started at ~20:30 and immediately I was amazed how great the sound was. The 2012 TMOT tour show took place at the same venue, and the sound was alright at best. This time the only thing I couldn't hear in the mix were keyboards, but I stood on the opposite side of them so I guess that was to be expected. Guitar, bass, drums and most importantly, vocals were all audible and not very loud, so I didn't even wear my earplugs.

The beginning of the show was somewhat dull regarding the overall audience - three new songs and two from TMOT and obviously not the audience favourites. I loved both Ghostlights and Unchain the Light, and I like Invoke the Machine a lot, but The Watchmakers' Dream mostly fell flat. Before The Scarecrow, Tobi said that whenever they played the very first notes off this song on this tour, the crowd went nuts, and that's exactly what happened in Moscow. :lol I never saw The Scarecrow with Jorn live (on TMOT tour they played it with Ronnie), and naturally I went nuts too. Lucifer didn't draw such a big reaction as The Scarecrow - I guess people were unfamiliar with the new album - but I lost my shit on that heavy part where Jorn starts to sing. I think people actually backed off a few steps because I headbanging and singing and all that like a madman (well I did that during The Scarecrow too :lol ). Jorn is a beast indeed, I can't believe how powerful his voice is live. That was the first time I saw him live and just wow.

I really liked how receptive the audience was (despite the lack of enthusiasm for some new songs), much better than three years ago. Everyone cheered and sang and screamed, and when Tobi went on to introduce Jorn between The Scarecrow and Lucifer the crowd were chanting "Tobi! Tobi!", Jorn fondly look at Tobias and said "hey, it seems you've got a lot of friends out there", the crowd laughed and switched to chanting "Lande! Lande!". As far as I could tell, Jorn looked a bit perplexed and happy at the same time. :biggrin:

I also really liked Herbie Langhans on the lead vocals - this should come as no surprise since I love Beyond the Bridge - but his voice really shined with power when he sang those few lines on The Wicked Symphony, and then he employed that deep voice mode on Draconian Love, which, as far as I can tell, was the audience favourite new song. The "hey hey hey" part was obviously a highlight, everyone screamed it at top of their lungs. As much as I disliked this tune at first (I didn't even learn the lyrics for the verses!), it's a perfect live song. Hopefully it stays in the setlist if they will play any more tours in the future. I think more songs could use Herbie as the lead vocalist. I think he should've sung Twisted Mind instead of Eric, for example.

I also finally got to hear Stargazers live! Last time Avantasia were in Moscow, they too came on stage late and they cut a few songs from the setlist (three or four). I don't exactly remember which songs they cut, but I distinctly remember one of them was Stargazers, because I was so looking forward to hear it and didn't get it. And now I got it, and with Jorn on board no less. Incredible experience, and the ending was just as mindblowing as on the studio version.

Tobias spent a lot of time talking and interacting with guest vocalists and audience between songs, and there were some funny moments too. Before Avantasia (the song), he took a few minutes to chat with Kiske regarding how he was glad Michael decided to sing on Metal Opera despite his reluctance to perform metal at that time, spent some time introducing the next song, saying it was so great and it was one of the first (I think the second) he heard Kiske perform for this project, hyping it up and finally introducing it... only to forget the words in the very first verse. :lol Some people from the audience, me included, started to sing, but Tobi just stood there and after a few seconds he said "Damn, I forgot the words!".  :lol Well, it happens, and I'm surprised it didn't happen on Lost in Space - he seems to mix the first and second verses on this song quite often.

There were some small lyrics screwups that were quite unnoticeable ("You break me just to make me" instead of "I've borne from my devotion" on The Great Mystery), but these went fine except I probably looked like an idiot when I mouthed the right line and Tobi sang the wrong one, haha. Regarding other vocalists, Ronnie was Ronnie, great performance without obvious flaws; Kiske, Jorn, Amanda and Herbie kicked ass; Eric Martin was very hit or miss. I'm kind of biased because I don't like Eric Martin at all, be that Mr. Big or Avantasia, but on some songs he did well, like Dying for an Angel, and on some songs he sounded off as hell, like The Great Mystery. I know the song wasn't written by him and Tobi wanted to play it anyway, but I wish they swapped it for, say, Another Angel Down (or Devil in the Belfry) with Jorn, or something from Metal Opera with Kiske, or I dunno, States of Matter with Herbie or whatever. The Great Mystery ended up being somewhat a letdown of the evening, and I actually like the studio version a lot.

I also thought that having both Dying for an Angel in the end of main set and Lost in Space in the encore was very underwhelming - probably because I want more metal in my Avantasia concert - but the audience went crazy for both songs, so I guess I know nothing. The Story Ain't Over is a brilliant set closer though, even without Bob. Tobias nailed the song and it was one of the highlights for me.

They also started to play Sign of the Cross as the last song and after the bombastic intro Tobias started singing Heaven and Hell over that bass line. He said something along the lines "that's the secret of the songwriting... you take something from here, something from there... and the rest from Black Sabbath." :lol I don't know if they did it on the rest of the tour, I haven't watched any videos from the tour, but I found that hilarious.

So overall, fantastic show and should they come to Moscow again (Tobi promised they'll return if the next tour will happen, just like he did in 2012 and he was good on his promise that time), I'll be certain to see them again. One of the best live acts I had a pleasure to see.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on April 07, 2016, 12:45:01 PM
Well, your experience sounds like mine, only we italians were definitively crazier and more wild! I didn't see any difference of reaction between old and new stuff, and yes, the "Hey hey hey" part is an highlight of Draconian Love live, the whole song went down a storm.

Never thought about it but yes, Herbie should have played Khan's parts on Twisted Mind.

I didn't get the Heaven and Hell thing, I guess their stage banter is mostly improvized, which is good. Being in Italy they played a verse of a famous italian pop song, Felicità, so I guess they improvise based on where they are  :lol before Avantasia he just said "this is the title track of... well, what is this song title track for Michi?" "It's the title track of the band".  At a point he said that Kiske asked him why he gives him those high songs to sing, and Tobi replied: "Because you can"  :biggrin:

Before Lucifer he told a story I recognized from an interview, that on a tourbus at night they were all drunk and hammered and Jorn instead was singing a beatufiul folk tune, and no one stopped him partly to not piss him off, and partly becaue it was beautiful, Tobi got the idea to make him sing a piano ballad from that.

A pity you didn't enjoy The Great Mystery, with Catley it was beyond amazing!!!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on April 07, 2016, 12:47:48 PM
A pity you didn't enjoy The Great Mystery, with Catley it was beyond amazing!!!

I know it was! I saw it in 2013 and it was amazing. :biggrin:

And yep, we also got that Lucifer story after the crowd calmed down.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on April 07, 2016, 02:17:46 PM
Nice writeup Ruslan.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kwyjibo on April 07, 2016, 11:50:59 PM
Cool concert reports, sounds like an awesome experience and I'm a little bit jelly.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bl5150 on April 07, 2016, 11:58:02 PM
Good stuff Ruslan.  Unfortunately we will never see them out here - he seems to think he could manage an Edguy gig out here so hopefully that will happen.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on April 08, 2016, 06:04:43 AM
5 days until I see them.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on April 08, 2016, 06:20:57 AM
Good stuff Ruslan.  Unfortunately we will never see them out here - he seems to think he could manage an Edguy gig out here so hopefully that will happen.

Tobi said on the Hellfire Club tour in Brisbane that they would be back on the next tour.  I'm still waiting.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on April 08, 2016, 07:52:04 AM
5 days until I see them.

One week till NYC!  :metal :metal
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: NotePad on April 08, 2016, 10:58:31 AM
Haven't bought Ghostlights yet, but what I've heard is pretty impressive and a lot like their earlier stuff plus the more modern production. I'm looking forward more to a new Edguy album though. I think Tobi is listening more to people's demands for a style more like Theater of Salvation and Vain Glory Opera. I'd like another Hellfire Club, the perfect mix of old and new. I just wish he'd focus more on Edguy.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Dr. DTVT on April 16, 2016, 06:21:41 PM
Holy Jesus's balls that show was amazing.  My throat, ears, and feet still hurt from last night.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on April 16, 2016, 07:05:12 PM
Had a great listen to Ghostlights yesterday.
Just want to give a :clap: to Tobi for two things.
1. Getting what he got out of Tate. That's one of my favorite songs on the album. Great writing and direction.
2. The title track us amazing and features Kiske on top of his game,but there's little Tobi going toe to toe with his idol and completely holding his own. 
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on April 16, 2016, 07:56:29 PM
Holy Jesus's balls that show was amazing.  My throat, ears, and feet still hurt from last night.

What an amazing show.  Surprised by the turn out, the crowd participation, and the performance.  The show was well over 3 hours long with no intermission.  It seemed like they didn't want to stop playing.  Amazing set list.  Really sucked to not have Bob, but was pleasantly surprised by Eric's performance in those songs.

Before the show, I was pregaming in my hotel room with my buddy and as we are walking pretty drunk to the concert I realize I left the tickets in the room  :facepalm: . So as we get back to the hotel we notice a limo chilling outside and we joke to each other that we should take the limo... on our way down my buddy says let's offer some money for a ride... 60 bucks and we ended up with a nice limo ride through times square! 

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/12985631_10110602495775364_1621820767578648918_n.jpg?oh=8728457c9f4ef6c9e0e53a02c155fa4e&oe=577AB6C3)

Well anyway, seats were awesome and that venue is really cool, had AMAZING sound.  Not too loud and everything was clear.  The people seemed awesome at the show, everyone I talked to was super nice and friendly.  I got into the mosh pit for a bit which was tons of fun and also surprising to even see.

My clips from the evening
https://youtu.be/hKX-ityao94 (https://youtu.be/hKX-ityao94)

Lost in Space
https://youtu.be/3E-l1aQgTOo (https://youtu.be/3E-l1aQgTOo)
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Dr. DTVT on April 17, 2016, 07:53:38 AM
Nick and I were right up front, and I agree with the sound being right, I didn't use my ear plugs because I didn't need them.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on April 17, 2016, 08:05:58 AM
I obviously haven't heard them in NY, but it seems they've got the sound right for all shows. I absolutely enjoyed their sound in Moscow and didn't use the earplugs too.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on April 17, 2016, 09:54:27 AM
Besides my own ears hearing it, the video clips with my phone have perfect sound too which never happens with that phone, proof they did an amazing job.  Major props to the sound guy... Iron Maiden should take note.

Still can't get over how good that concert was.  Best show and Ghostlights best album of the year for me so far.  :metal :metal
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: NotePad on April 18, 2016, 10:29:43 AM
Finally got Ghostlights. Pretty standard Avantasia. I like how Tobi always gets Kiske to sing the most classic Helloween-style sounding songs. I also would've loved a song with both Tate and Kiske singing.

But I'm really disappointed that Tobi doesn't push himself to go as high as he used to.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on April 18, 2016, 11:20:21 AM
Ok... so my 'review' of the experience on Wednesday, which was mostly hit, but somewhat of a miss too.  And as you read, it will surely seem like I've got a lot to dislike, but it's just that the things I disliked take some explaining.  Most of my gripes are with the venue. Being a true seated concert venue (with a seating capacity just under 1200 - no balcony), I was expecting an awesome show.  Topped off with a front row ticket, 2 seats left of dead center, I was totally jazzed for it to be best concert experience ever.

The Bad
The audience speakers were positioned a few feet behind me (not literally behind me, but 'behind' the line where the sound was directed at the people in the first row or two), so I couldn't hear all that I should have.  Because I was standing right against the stage (which was only waist-high), I was so close that I could actually hear Felix/drums, not the drums over the sound system.  And because he was just left of where I was, for the first 20-30 minutes, that was dominating everything I heard in my left ear - it took about 20-30 minutes for me to get my 'equilibrium' balanced.  Because of the position of the speakers (and no stage monitors), and dominance of the drums, I barely heard any of Sascha's solo's, and a lot of times had trouble hearing the vocals - a lot of times, I could hear their actual voices instead of hearing it through the sound system.  In one regard, that was kinda cool, but in another regard, not having the full band experience was a drag.  It was like listening to the drums/bass mixed at 10; guitars at 7; vocals/keys mixed at 4.  It was such an unbalanced sound.

Second, the two drunk turd-herders right beside me.  One dipshit thought this was his night to have a private conversation with any band member at anytime.  He was so goddamn loud the whole theater could hear him shouting out random shit, trying to talk with anyone on stage he could, asking Jorn to do a Deep Purple cover, demanding Edguy songs... total douche-waffle.  Towards the end of the night, Tobi said "shut the fuck up, I'm talking".

Lastly, no merchandise.  I can only assume that they didn't want to go through the hassle of paying/claiming whatever duty/taxes or whatever to bring it in, so there was nothing.  I had brought $200 and was fully prepared to get as much as I could.   >:(

The Good:
It was 3:20 of Avantasia!  That alone was enough to compensate for the above. Plus, if I was any closer (as you'll see below), I would've been dry-humping with them.  I'm guessing that Tobi is a bit of a germaphobe, as he used some lame excuse about the monitors giving feedback if they got too close to the front of the stage with their mic's.  Well, everyone else came out and gave hi-fives and fist-bumps at some point.

Random observations:
Jorn is an absolute fucking beast.
The whole band looked like they were having a ton of fun, despite this being the smallest crowd on this tour so far (or so Tobi said) and thus I assume the smallest crowd they've ever played for - probably about 700-800 if I had to guess.
Why does Ronnie look like he's pinching out a steaming loaf with every stanza he sings?
Amanda... god damn, Amanda.  Holy christ she is fucking hot - plus sized or not.  She had her parents there, and I could see her little baby off-stage.
Eric... holy shit was I impressed with him.  He's dorky, and looks like a wax figure, but damn if he didn't have the 2nd most powerful voice - I could routinely hear his actual voice.
Kiske... what a voice; what range.  He puts everything into it.
Tobi's mic went out partway through Mystery of a Blood Red Rose.  Lost almost a full verse

Despite the bad parts, it was an excellent show, and an awesome experience.  Got the setlist too.

(https://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww265/jingle-boy/Concert%20pics/8A609BE0-CC6B-4092-841B-FC17A0D308BF_zps05olwkre.jpg)
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(https://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww265/jingle-boy/Concert%20pics/544BCF4C-982B-41C0-8A5A-42C546B9FE07_zpshzq7ztvo.jpg)
(https://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww265/jingle-boy/Concert%20pics/E0B0ED87-E85C-4D77-879F-6F70F1CF5176_zpsd5mmpuvg.jpg)
(https://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww265/jingle-boy/Concert%20pics/71660349-7C6C-4A63-A8A7-BB7D1A065185_zps1zu1cptz.jpg)
(https://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww265/jingle-boy/Concert%20pics/8878F991-B73C-4D7F-978F-7F1AA1A87310_zpsu3ncdif7.jpg)
(https://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww265/jingle-boy/Concert%20pics/380163F0-1FD7-4EBC-A6DC-2C4DD061A4A9_zpseme1p9nw.jpg)
(https://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww265/jingle-boy/Concert%20pics/CF897217-C010-4FDC-B3A0-24D0C320A60C_zpsrgddakq6.jpg)
(https://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww265/jingle-boy/Concert%20pics/19675F61-04E4-4188-B7AF-4B9720BF7D32_zpsbitzsgpk.jpg)


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Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on April 18, 2016, 11:28:14 AM
Wow, really cool photos Chad. Sucks to hear about the drunk guy and the mix.

Double sucks to hear about merchandise - we had the same thing on Steven Wilson's concert, I ended up ordering his 2016 Tour shirt (with the Raven album cover on it) from his official store. We had a lot of merchandise on Moscow Avantasia show as I said - various T-shirts, loads of special editions of the band's albums, even the CDs from artists solo discographies and all that. Shame you didn't have the same opportunity.

Still, sounds like you had a lot of fun so I guess that's what really matters in the end.

Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on April 18, 2016, 11:32:30 AM
Random observations:
Jorn is an absolute fucking beast.
The whole band looked like they were having a ton of fun, despite this being the smallest crowd on this tour so far (or so Tobi said) and thus I assume the smallest crowd they've ever played for - probably about 700-800 if I had to guess.
Why does Ronnie look like he's pinching out a steaming loaf with every stanza he sings?
Amanda... god damn, Amanda.  Holy christ she is fucking hot - plus sized or not.  She had her parents there, and I could see her little baby off-stage.
Eric... holy shit was I impressed with him.  He's dorky, and looks like a wax figure, but damn if he didn't have the 2nd most powerful voice - I could routinely hear his actual voice.
Kiske... what a voice; what range.  He puts everything into it.

Pretty much agree with all of these observations.  Sucks your seats lead to some bad sound (and you can't always dodge the assholes at concerts, a reason why I made the point in my review of how awesome the people were).  But also, you had a good time so that's what matters. 

I hope their experiment with NA was a success and they do come back whenever that may be.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bl5150 on April 18, 2016, 11:36:56 AM
Sounds great , even with the turd-herders  :lol

And if Ronnie's facial expressions stood out then Jorn must've had his fibre that morning  ;D
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on April 18, 2016, 11:38:32 AM
Well, Jorn just looks powerful and evil with his facial expressions. Ronnie looks exactly like Chad described. You can even see it at the photos. :lol
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bl5150 on April 18, 2016, 11:39:58 AM
Sorry - I can't equate Jorn and evil after that Hydra vid  :lol
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on April 18, 2016, 11:40:43 AM
Sorry - I can't equate Jorn and evil after that Hydra vid  :lol

I haven't seen that one. Care to provide a link?
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bl5150 on April 18, 2016, 11:42:28 AM
I posted it recently in the hard rock/metal thread for a laugh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iklrkshmm5g
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on April 18, 2016, 11:49:18 AM
Hahaha. All I've got to say here is wow. :lol

Must've missed it in the thread, because I saw the whole "covers" discussion but didn't see this vid.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on April 18, 2016, 12:08:17 PM
 :rollin
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on April 18, 2016, 12:12:04 PM
Chad, those Kiske pics are  :metal
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Dr. DTVT on April 18, 2016, 10:38:17 PM
Don't you live near NYC TAC?  You should have went.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how awesome that show was.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on April 19, 2016, 05:55:28 AM
Don't you live near NYC TAC?  You should have went.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how awesome that show was.

I'm 25 miles south of Boston.  Leaving the wife and kids to travel for a concert does not work in the TAC house.   ;D
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on April 19, 2016, 06:02:44 AM
I'm still trying to wrap my head around how awesome that show was.

As am I.  My friend and I kept texting yesterday saying how great it was.  I almost feel like DT this weekend will be a let down because it's not going to match the intensity and powaaa of that show  :metal (and letdown is an exaggeration here, definitely pumped for DT).
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Dr. DTVT on April 19, 2016, 07:37:03 AM
Don't you live near NYC TAC?  You should have went.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how awesome that show was.

I'm 25 miles south of Boston.  Leaving the wife and kids to travel for a concert does not work in the TAC house.   ;D

Sometimes you have to make "The Final Sacrifice" :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on April 20, 2016, 06:24:52 AM
 :lol found the crowd shot from the NYC show that Avantasia took and posted on FB.  I made this to share with my friends who are lame and love metal but never go to concerts.

(https://s31.postimg.org/sho5yflqz/IMG_20160416_153521.jpg)
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on May 12, 2016, 10:36:36 AM
New "live" music video of Draconian Love

https://youtu.be/hGYfpDCBJ4A (https://youtu.be/hGYfpDCBJ4A)
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Nick on May 12, 2016, 09:40:11 PM
I only need the original image. :D

(https://scontent.fphl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13043265_10153738964794833_3759512312059365877_n.jpg?oh=f141fd16d4770b20ead1f64332dda7c8&oe=57AC810D)
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: NotePad on May 15, 2016, 10:10:36 AM
I've been listening to the Ghostlights album a lot lately. Despite a few songs I think are kind of lame, like Draconian Love, there's some really great stuff. Babylon Vampires and Ghostlights are amazing songs. Some people claim Avantasia and Edguy aren't as power metal anymore. But they've just expanded their sound into something more unique.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Dr. DTVT on May 17, 2016, 07:46:49 AM
Nick's circle is covering my head.

It's probably for the best anyway.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: NotePad on July 14, 2016, 09:53:02 AM
I'm just not a huge fan of Ghostlights. I love the title track and Babylon Vampires, but nothing else stands out too much. I'm a huge Edguy fan though and I'm glad that he'll probably focus more on them now.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on July 14, 2016, 09:57:48 AM
I've actually found that Ghostlights didn't end up having a lot of lasting power for me. I don't feel the urge to spin it as a whole, and if I want some modern Avantasia I go either for The Scarecrow or The Mystery of Time. That said, Lucifer and Ghostlights (the song) are still excellent.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on July 14, 2016, 10:03:43 AM
I still listen and love it.  Still album of the year for me and their best IMO.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on July 14, 2016, 12:55:59 PM
The title track is my song of the year, but the two FW epics are giving it a serious run. 
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on July 14, 2016, 03:36:32 PM
I've actually found that Ghostlights didn't end up having a lot of lasting power for me. I don't feel the urge to spin it as a whole, and if I want some modern Avantasia I go either for The Scarecrow or The Mystery of Time. That said, Lucifer and Ghostlights (the song) are still excellent.

I sort of agree, but just thought the other day that I hadn't listened to it in a while.  I'm going to spin it and see how it stands up now.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Logain Ablar on September 01, 2016, 12:29:54 PM
I've been introduced to Avantasia / Edguy only recently, but I can't stop listening to Ghostlights - great album!! Some cracking songs on there (Lucifer, Let The Storm Descend, Isle of Evermore are early favs). Tobias Sammet definitely knows how to write a catchy tune!!

It's too early for me to say which band I prefer. Will have to revisit the vote in a month or two..

What's the general consensus on how Ghostlights ranks in the Avantasia discography??
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on September 01, 2016, 12:37:50 PM
What's the general consensus on how Ghostlights ranks in the Avantasia discography??

My personal favorite, but generally I'd say it was very well received, but maybe not the best for most.  You could probably read through the last few pages here to read reactions.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Logain Ablar on September 01, 2016, 12:54:27 PM
What's the general consensus on how Ghostlights ranks in the Avantasia discography??

My personal favorite, but generally I'd say it was very well received, but maybe not the best for most.  You could probably read through the last few pages here to read reactions.

Yeah, I took a quick skim through, and it seems like most folks like it, but for a few their initial enthusiasm tailed off. I'll probably just work my way through the albums from newest to oldest and see what stands out for me.  :tup
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bosk1 on September 01, 2016, 04:14:27 PM
I'm not really digging Ghostlights either.  I very rarely find myself listening to it, and when I do, it is generally seeing it in my playlist and work and going, "Oh yeah, I haven't listened to that in awhile.  Maybe I'll give it a spin."  I enjoyed The Mystery of Time a lot more. 
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on September 01, 2016, 07:24:24 PM
  I enjoyed The Mystery of Time a lot more. 

As do I. TMOT really opened me up to Avantasia. Of course large doses of Kiske, Biff Byford, and the long lost JLT really helped carry me through it.

I will say that the Ghostlights title track is a TAC Top 5 Track Of The Year.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on September 04, 2016, 04:08:03 PM
Both albums are great, but I'd probably come back to TMOT more I think.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 05, 2016, 12:44:23 AM
I still like Ghostlights a lot but my favorite remains The Scarecrow
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Logain Ablar on September 05, 2016, 04:47:39 AM
I've been listening to TMOT quite a bit over the last few days. It's really excellent as well, and close to call, but I think Ghostlights just about shades it for me.

Spectres is a brilliant song to open with. I also liked the production on TMOT - it seemed a little softer, and the balance with the orchestral elements was great.  :tup

Next stop: The Wicked Symphony
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bosk1 on December 23, 2016, 08:44:16 AM
Not sure why I ever made this association in my mind, but The Mystery of Time has become somewhat of a "Christmas-time" album for me, so I have been listening to it quite a bit again lately.  I am reminded that, despite how awful Ghostlights was, TMOT is just an all-around outstanding album.  Not sure if that album was just "lightning in a bottle" for me, but I hope they can recapture that vibe at some opint in the future, because I just love it.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on December 23, 2016, 10:03:22 AM
I definitely associate The Mystery of Time with winter, and I've been spinning it a lot the last two weeks.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on December 23, 2016, 12:12:30 PM
how awful Ghostlights was


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Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bosk1 on December 23, 2016, 12:30:24 PM
Way to miss the entire point of my post.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on December 23, 2016, 12:46:29 PM
No, I got it. I disagree. I think we've had this discussion before? Or maybe I discussed it with someone else, I dunno. Anyway, I find TMoT to be largely a bland album by Avantasia standards. It pretty much does what the last three album did, except with lower-tier vocalists, less inspired songwriting, and most egregiously, no Jorn Lande. I really like Sleepwalking, and Black Orchid is good, but that's about it. The solo on The Watchmaker's Dream is good, but the rest of it where you have to listen to the guy painfully fail to hit the notes really isn't.

I'm probably coming across as overly harsh here. I definitely don't hate the album, it's a nice enough listen, but overall it feels like Tobi took the meat of Avantasia and replaced it with some tofu-based substitute, like in some weird alternate universe where Avantasia albums are cheeseburgers, TMoT was that lousy 'veggie-burger' that vegans would eat and pretend that they somehow actually liked it.

And I really loved Ghostlights. Might be my favorite. It's pretty close to The Wicked Symphony, anyway.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on December 23, 2016, 01:36:37 PM
I can see the Christmas thing with it.

I don't get associating Ghostlights and awful though.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Lowdz on December 23, 2016, 01:58:05 PM
I can see the Christmas thing with it.

I don't get associating Ghostlights and awful though.

Me neither. The only volumes I'm not huge on are the Angel of Babylon and Wicked Symphony. Not played them as much as the others.

Have to say I've never bothered with the stories in any of them. The first album put me off bothering with them  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Logain Ablar on December 23, 2016, 03:41:39 PM
I can see the Christmas thing with it.

I don't get associating Ghostlights and awful though.

Me neither. The only volumes I'm not huge on are the Angel of Babylon and Wicked Symphony. Not played them as much as the others.

Have to say I've never bothered with the stories in any of them. The first album put me off bothering with them  :biggrin:

This is pretty much my view as well. For me, there's a noticeable dip after The Scarecrow with AoB / TWS, then a jump back up TMoT and Ghostlights. Not that those two were terrible, just not as memorable.

(BTW - The Scarecrow - what a song!!)

Avantasia has been the discovery of 2016 for me. I just love the bombastic high energy, combined with good melodies and the guest vocalists.

I don't pay much attention to the story, and as a native English speaker, the lyrics can be a bit "wonky" at times  :D, but somehow that's part of the charm.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on December 23, 2016, 06:57:55 PM
For me, there's a noticeable dip after The Scarecrow with AoB / TWS, then a jump back up TMoT and Ghostlights. Not that those two were terrible, just not as memorable.

Exactly how I feel as well.  Some good songs on AoB/TWS but those albums as a whole are a notch below the three really good Avantasia albums.

Ghostlights > TMoT > The Scarecrow >>>> everything else by Avantasia
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on December 24, 2016, 04:36:37 AM
I think the AOB/TWS combo being slightly less impressive than the rest is the general overall view, with me also.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Nick on December 24, 2016, 07:55:42 AM
I think the AOB/TWS combo being slightly less impressive than the rest is the general overall view, with me also.

Certainly not with me. I think The Mystery of Time is clearly the weak point in the Avantasia catalog.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on December 25, 2016, 12:21:00 AM
I think the AOB/TWS combo being slightly less impressive than the rest is the general overall view, with me also.

Certainly not with me. I think The Mystery of Time is clearly the weak point in the Avantasia catalog.

Well there you go.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: ZKX-2099 on December 25, 2016, 08:27:19 AM
I'm a new Avantasia fan but I feel pretty confident in saying Ghostlights is the best and every thing else is almost as good and pretty much tied for 2nd.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on December 26, 2016, 04:32:22 AM
Ghostlights IMO has aged very very well so far.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on December 26, 2016, 12:18:51 PM
I listened to it today, I still love it  :metal far superior to The Mystery of Time, which still is good and has one of the best things ever came out of Tobias Sammet, The Great Mystery.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on December 26, 2016, 05:06:05 PM
Tobi just knows how to write a good epic.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on December 26, 2016, 05:22:31 PM
Tobi just knows how to write a good epic.

....and get the most out of his guest vocalists. Cases in point would be JLT on TMOT and Tate on Ghostlights.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: 425 on December 26, 2016, 07:32:43 PM
I know! I can hardly believe it's Tate singing on that song!

I'll have to take bosk's recommendation and listen to TMOT as a Christmas album soon. Though I'm not sure if it works in Florida. :P

Listening to Ghostlights right now. This might be my AOTY for 2016. This has actually been a very strong year IMO, but Ghostlights belongs right up near the top of the heap. There isn't a song on here I don't like (though Babylon Vampyres is a cut below the rest IMO). A Restless Heart and Obsidian Skies is an awesome closer.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on December 27, 2016, 03:28:16 AM
A Restless Heart and Obsidian Skies is an awesome closer.

While a good stand-alone song, it suffers too much from having come after The Story Ain't Over and, well, many closing songs with Bob Catley. If it was the first of its kind I would have liked it more, but it gives me a "been there, done that" feel. Still I like it, though.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on December 27, 2016, 03:38:22 AM
A Restless Heart and Obsidian Skies is an awesome closer.

While a good stand-alone song, it suffers too much from having come after The Story Ain't Over and, well, many closing songs with Bob Catley. If it was the first of its kind I would have liked it more, but it gives me a "been there, done that" feel. Still I like it, though.

When I first heard it, I laughed at the similarities between the two.  As time goes by though, I'm finding myself liking Restless Heart more than Story.  At first I was like WTF, but now the comparisons don't matter to me at all.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on December 27, 2016, 04:12:40 AM
Definitely a lot of similarities there but it has to really bothered me.

Ghostlights is my album of the year
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: NotePad on December 27, 2016, 09:56:25 AM
I want Tobi to focus more on Edguy. I like Avantasia, bit nowhere near as much as Edguy.. Edguy are in my top.3 bands actually. I actually think they were on the verge of being much bigger but then he put all his effort into Avantasia. Some were saying the next Maiden. Idk about that though, because that requires cracking the North American market. Helloween came much closer to that in the early 90s. But still, Edguy is an awesome metal band and we need more of that.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bosk1 on December 27, 2016, 10:13:34 AM
Ghostlights is my biggest disappointment of the year.  If this was the first album I ever heard from them, I would not have become a fan.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on December 27, 2016, 12:42:33 PM
I want Tobi to focus more on Edguy. I like Avantasia, bit nowhere near as much as Edguy.. Edguy are in my top.3 bands actually. I actually think they were on the verge of being much bigger but then he put all his effort into Avantasia. Some were saying the next Maiden. Idk about that though, because that requires cracking the North American market. Helloween came much closer to that in the early 90s. But still, Edguy is an awesome metal band and we need more of that.

The Edguy / Avantasia situation reminds me a bit of the Savatage / Trans Siberian Orchestra one. One was the band that started as the dream of young and hungry musicians, and the other is the one that made all the money.

The difference is not so striking between Edguy and Avantasia of course, but I've *never* seen Edguy play the same venue in Italy that Avantasia play, and if they did, they used the minor stage (the venue is multifunctional so stages can be rearranged). I don't think Avantasia's success blocked Edguy's one, nor I feel that Tobi is saving himself for Avantasia, and I think Edguy has just the right, realistic level of exposure. If more success comes their way, I'm all for it of course!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on December 27, 2016, 01:57:13 PM
I want Tobi to focus more on Edguy. I like Avantasia, bit nowhere near as much as Edguy.. Edguy are in my top.3 bands actually. I actually think they were on the verge of being much bigger but then he put all his effort into Avantasia. Some were saying the next Maiden. Idk about that though, because that requires cracking the North American market. Helloween came much closer to that in the early 90s. But still, Edguy is an awesome metal band and we need more of that.

And Avantasia had a fantastic and well attended show in NYC this year so they are trying to crack the US market.  For Edguy, they are too striaght forward power metal (from what I've heard, I don't own an album just watched youtube videos since nothing really stuck with me) and that type of music sadly only has so much appeal whereas Avantasia, although power metal as well, have a lot more to offer to reach more audiences. 
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on May 19, 2017, 07:41:54 AM
So from Tobi's FB, Geoff Tate is going to be performing with Avantasia at their few shows this summer. 
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on May 19, 2017, 08:12:10 AM
So they'll swap at least a song for Seduction of Decay, I assume?

I wonder which other songs Tate will inherit, since the "original cast" is almost all there and only Kiske's songs are up for grabs...
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on May 19, 2017, 08:25:17 AM
So they'll swap at least a song for Seduction of Decay, I assume?

I wonder which other songs Tate will inherit, since the "original cast" is almost all there and only Kiske's songs are up for grabs...

Well a couple of the singers aren't doing all the shows like Eric Martin so maybe he'd sing his parts for the shows he's not there.  I do wonder if they'll perform some other songs besides Seduction of Decay.  I hope so.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on May 19, 2017, 08:34:33 AM
Well, I could see him as a good Eric Martin replacement... regardless of how his voice is nowadays, I can picture him in my head singing What's Left of Me.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Logain Ablar on May 19, 2017, 08:41:11 AM
I'd love to see these guys live, especially with Jorn singing the likes of The Scarecrow and Lucifer. Hopefully the Wacken show will be shot for TV and we'll get to see that at some stage.

I can see them maybe going safer with the setlist, and staying away from Kiske-heavy tracks like Ghostlights.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Grappler on May 19, 2017, 08:46:19 AM
I'd love to see these guys live, especially with Jorn singing the likes of The Scarecrow and Lucifer. Hopefully the Wacken show will be shot for TV and we'll get to see that at some stage.

I can see them maybe going safer with the setlist, and staying away from Kiske-heavy tracks like Ghostlights.

Avantasia filmed the Prague show in 2016 for a future DVD release.    :metal
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on May 19, 2017, 08:51:55 AM
I'd love to see these guys live, especially with Jorn singing the likes of The Scarecrow and Lucifer. Hopefully the Wacken show will be shot for TV and we'll get to see that at some stage.

I can see them maybe going safer with the setlist, and staying away from Kiske-heavy tracks like Ghostlights.

Avantasia filmed the Prague show in 2016 for a future DVD release.    :metal

Oh sweet, thats awesome.  Also their previous Wacken concert is on youtube and very good quality.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Logain Ablar on May 19, 2017, 09:13:10 AM
Cool!  :tup
I've watched the recent Wacken one, but I didn't know about the Prague filming. Will have to look out for that..
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on May 19, 2017, 12:01:29 PM
I'd love to see these guys live, especially with Jorn singing the likes of The Scarecrow and Lucifer. Hopefully the Wacken show will be shot for TV and we'll get to see that at some stage.

I can see them maybe going safer with the setlist, and staying away from Kiske-heavy tracks like Ghostlights.

Avantasia filmed the Prague show in 2016 for a future DVD release.    :metal

Giggity.  I was not aware of this.  Now I'm all warm down there.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on May 19, 2017, 12:21:10 PM
However, Tobias said on FB he's busy with Edguy anniversary tour now, and he's also composing new music these days, so we shouldn't hope for a DVD anytime soon.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on May 19, 2017, 02:48:16 PM
However, Tobias said on FB he's busy with Edguy anniversary tour now, and he's also composing new music these days, so we shouldn't hope for a DVD anytime soon.

Party pooper!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on May 19, 2017, 02:59:18 PM
However, Tobias said on FB he's busy with Edguy anniversary tour now, and he's also composing new music these days, so we shouldn't hope for a DVD anytime soon.

Party pooper!

I wouldn't expect it soon either just because I'd be seeing more news about it for hype... but I got to think it comes out in 2018 when Avantasia is on hiatus even if Tobi is busy with other things.  Holding off on that release doesn't help anyone.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on May 19, 2017, 03:49:58 PM
However, Tobias said on FB he's busy with Edguy anniversary tour now, and he's also composing new music these days, so we shouldn't hope for a DVD anytime soon.

I'll look forward to some new Edguy stuff.  The new greatest hits package should be good.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Logain Ablar on May 26, 2017, 05:52:57 AM
New Edguy song - Ravenblack:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzjxZ0JBasU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzjxZ0JBasU)
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on May 26, 2017, 05:55:30 AM
Ooh, I like that.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Logain Ablar on May 26, 2017, 05:56:48 AM
Me too - sounds great!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on May 26, 2017, 06:12:57 AM
Sounds good!

Here's the whole tracklist for the compilation:

https://www.nuclearblast.de/en/products/tontraeger/cd/2cd-dvd/edguy-monuments-digibook.html
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on May 26, 2017, 06:42:54 AM
Sounds good!

Here's the whole tracklist for the compilation:

https://www.nuclearblast.de/en/products/tontraeger/cd/2cd-dvd/edguy-monuments-digibook.html

That's a disappointing tracklist.  Only 6 songs pre (including) Mandrake.  WTF?  Appreciate the 6 new/unreleased tracks, and the DVD will be worth the price alone.

New song is solid, but damn that tracklist is shit.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2017, 08:48:04 AM
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/avantasia/2017/z7-konzertfabrik-pratteln-switzerland-43e4d75b.html (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/avantasia/2017/z7-konzertfabrik-pratteln-switzerland-43e4d75b.html)

Setlist from Avantasia's first show this summer.  Not terribly different from past setlists, just one new song with Geoff.  It appears he also sung on Avantasia, but no other songs (besides Sign of the Cross)
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Samsara on June 29, 2017, 10:37:10 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRxXeRvln2A

Geoff Tate appears with Avantasia doing "Seduction of Decay." I have to say, he sounds pretty good. The 2:05-2:11 note sounds like real good late 90s early 2000s Tate. Not super high, but real good. He sounds good overall.

Although, at the 6:20 mark, can someone confirm that its a piped in high note? It seems weird. Tate is singing, and then a high note comes in and it sounds piped in, but then Tate obviously finishes said high note. Can't figure out if that's a little keyboard patching in vocal magic, or if Tate actually hits that note. It doesn't quite sound like him.

But honestly, I thought this was good, and builds on my thoughts from this past spring when I saw him acoustically. Looks like a good show. I would catch it if local. Tobi really puts together a solid band.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Grappler on June 29, 2017, 10:52:12 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRxXeRvln2A

Geoff Tate appears with Avantasia doing "Seduction of Decay." I have to say, he sounds pretty good. The 2:05-2:11 note sounds like real good late 90s early 2000s Tate. Not super high, but real good. He sounds good overall.

Although, at the 6:20 mark, can someone confirm that its a piped in high note? It seems weird. Tate is singing, and then a high note comes in and it sounds piped in, but then Tate obviously finishes said high note. Can't figure out if that's a little keyboard patching in vocal magic, or if Tate actually hits that note. It doesn't quite sound like him.

But honestly, I thought this was good, and builds on my thoughts from this past spring when I saw him acoustically. Looks like a good show. I would catch it if local. Tobi really puts together a solid band.

I found that same clip last night and only watched Seduction of Decay and was surprised.  Geoff sounds pretty good, about the same as the record.  He sounds good on the chorus of Avantasia too, singing with Tobias. 

Have fun trying to catch them local - Avantasia came to the US last year for the first time ever and only played in New York and LA, I believe, with one other show in Canada.  Glenn can't even get them for Progpower since it costs too much.  If I'm not mistaken, it took the combination of 3 promotors to get them for the two US shows.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2017, 11:24:59 AM
Have fun trying to catch them local - Avantasia came to the US last year for the first time ever and only played in New York and LA, I believe, with one other show in Canada.  Glenn can't even get them for Progpower since it costs too much.  If I'm not mistaken, it took the combination of 3 promotors to get them for the two US shows.

Well, honestly, I think they are too big of a band for ProgPower.  They fit the setting, but they would command a crowd much bigger than progpower IMO.  I was completely surprised by how much support they got in the NYC show.  Packed crowd and everyone singing along.  I really haven't seen much power metal shows in NYC to have that sort of turn out and support.  It was easily one of the best concerts I've ever been to.  It really sucks they aren't a full time thing though because they've become a favorite band of mine after that concert.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on June 29, 2017, 12:24:11 PM
Toronto show was a dud.  The venue they picked didn't help.  My guess was 800 people ... tops.  Really can't see them coming back to NA anytime soon.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on July 02, 2017, 04:59:12 AM
Another new song;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ8dAEQHgPk

Meh.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on July 02, 2017, 05:26:55 AM
Meh.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Logain Ablar on July 19, 2017, 08:53:40 AM
Anyone picked up Monuments yet?

I got it on iTunes earlier this week. Overall, i think it's pretty good value for £10. I'm not familiar with their earlier stuff, but this compilation seems to have a good broad sweep of their albums. There's some good tracks I'd never heard before, like Holy Water / Out of Control.

I like the new songs ok. Probably Open Sesame is the weakest of them.

I've still to check out the digital booklet, but that involves hooking up the phone to iTunes, waiting on iTunes to download a massive update cos I haven't opened it in 6 months, and a bit of messing about to get the booklet itself.

Why can they not make these digital booklets automatically appear in iBooks once you've purchased the album? Come on Apple, sort it out!  :P
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Lowdz on July 19, 2017, 02:46:26 PM
Mine arrived last Friday.
The new songs are enjoyable.
Played the DVD yesterday and it's fine. Not keen on the old aspect ratio and obviously it's not in high definition, but the audio is fine.

Maybe not the choice of tracks I'd have chosen, a bit too weighted to the new album and the Superheroes ep, but it's a good package.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Dream_Theater01 on August 14, 2017, 04:10:03 PM
However, Tobias said on FB he's busy with Edguy anniversary tour now, and he's also composing new music these days, so we shouldn't hope for a DVD anytime soon.

I wonder if he's composing for Avantasia or Edguy.  Did he mention that?
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Logain Ablar on August 15, 2017, 02:07:06 AM
His latest update around this stuff on FB was on the 9th August:

https://www.facebook.com/avantasia/posts/10155245309973889

He seems deliberately vague on whether he's working on new Edguy, Avantasia, or possibly something different?
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Lowdz on August 15, 2017, 02:10:58 AM
Enjoyed the Avantasia live stream from Wacken last week. It's up on YouTube if you missed it.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Logain Ablar on August 15, 2017, 02:23:50 AM
Enjoyed the Avantasia live stream from Wacken last week. It's up on YouTube if you missed it.

Do you have a link? I started watching one last week, but looks like it was taken down.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on August 15, 2017, 04:37:07 AM
Enjoyed the Avantasia live stream from Wacken last week. It's up on YouTube if you missed it.

Yeah... having trouble finding it.  There's a few songs here/there, but can't find the whole thing.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Lowdz on August 15, 2017, 10:50:36 AM
Yeah it's been taken down. Sorry chaps 🙁
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on August 15, 2017, 11:48:09 AM
Yeah it's been taken down. Sorry chaps 🙁

:getoffmylawn:
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kattelox on September 08, 2017, 02:10:01 PM
Been a fan of Avantasia for many many years. What is everyone's favorite album? Back in my day there were only 2 Avantasia albums, but the times, they have changed...

1. Ghostlights
2. The Wicked Symphony (this may reclaim #1 though)
3. The Scarecrow
4. Metal Opera Pt. 2
5. Metal Opera Pt. 1
6. Angel of Babylon
7. Mystery of Time

1-2 are amazing. 3-5 are really good but the MOs haven't aged too well in my opinion. 6 has a few good songs, the rest I forgot about. 7 is, overall, the only Avantasia album I dislike.

Oh, and how could I forget, Edguy!

1. The Savage Poetry - king of the catalogue
2. Space Police - giving TSP a run for its money
3. Mandrake
4. Hellfire Club
5. Rocket Ride
6. Theater of Salvation
7. Tinnitus Sanctus
8. Age of the Joker - ugh
9. Vain Glory Opera - shoot me, but ugh
10. Kingdom of Madness - ugh
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on September 08, 2017, 04:48:26 PM
I picked up Momunents and think the selection of tracks is absolutely terrible as I've stated before.  Haven't checked the DVD but saying all that, the five new songs are bloody fantastic.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kattelox on September 08, 2017, 04:51:02 PM
I picked up Momunents and think the selection of tracks is absolutely terrible as I've stated before.  Haven't checked the DVD but saying all that, the five new songs are bloody fantastic.

Ahh I'm the opposite. I think the selection of tracks is pretty good overall - could be way better though - but the new tracks disappoint me greatly. Which is your favorite?
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on September 08, 2017, 05:06:11 PM
I picked up Momunents and think the selection of tracks is absolutely terrible as I've stated before.  Haven't checked the DVD but saying all that, the five new songs are bloody fantastic.

Ahh I'm the opposite. I think the selection of tracks is pretty good overall - could be way better though - but the new tracks disappoint me greatly. Which is your favorite?

It's a flip of a coin.  Open Seseme has a great hook.  Landmarks and The Mountaineer are both classic Edguy sounding to me.  I know the track list has the hits and all, but there is just so much missing.  Only one track from Mandrake blows my mind.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kattelox on September 08, 2017, 09:08:08 PM
I think that goes to show how far removed from power metal - or Edguy's roots, by and large - Tobias Sammet is these days. He's so much more rock oriented than power metal that I'm very surprised by the lack of Mandrake representation. But that's just my opinion. Maybe he had something else in mind. :) I don't understand the inclusion of the B sides or Eternal Wayfarer (c'mon, man - if you're gonna go with newer epics, choose Behind the Gates to Midnight World! that main riff is HEAVY!). But that's Tobi...
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bosk1 on September 12, 2017, 09:18:12 AM
Been a fan of Avantasia for many many years. What is everyone's favorite album?

I only have the last two.  The Mystery of Time got really rave reviews, so I bought it as a blind purchase and really enjoyed it.  I got Ghostlights when that one came out and was pretty disappointed with it. 
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kattelox on September 12, 2017, 09:37:40 AM
Been a fan of Avantasia for many many years. What is everyone's favorite album?

I only have the last two.  The Mystery of Time got really rave reviews, so I bought it as a blind purchase and really enjoyed it.  I got Ghostlights when that one came out and was pretty disappointed with it.

That's a shame! What didn't you like about it? For me, Mystery of Time defines the worst aspects of Avantasia and what it's become; Ghostlights is a proper return to form, mostly. The lack of Jorn Lande on MoT and including more over-the-hill vocalists was a huge disappointment for me.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Logain Ablar on September 12, 2017, 09:51:58 AM
I'd have Ghostlights at #1, but probably TMoT at #2. I do agree about it suffering from the lack of Jorn, but I do love most of the songs on there.

At number 3 I'd have The Scarecrow. The title track is one of the best things they've ever done, but for me the rest of the album doesn't quite match up.

The Wicked Symphony and Angel Of Babylon are good, but not great IMO.. There aren't too many standouts on those two albums for me..

Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on September 12, 2017, 10:38:59 AM
I'd have Ghostlights at #1, but probably TMoT at #2. I do agree about it suffering from the lack of Jorn, but I do love most of the songs on there.

At number 3 I'd have The Scarecrow. The title track is one of the best things they've ever done, but for me the rest of the album doesn't quite match up.

The Wicked Symphony and Angel Of Babylon are good, but not great IMO.. There aren't too many standouts on those two albums for me..

I feel the same, would have the same top three and feel TWS and AoB are lacking.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on September 12, 2017, 12:35:50 PM
The Wicked Symphony / Angel of Babylon should have been a single album. I like that the two albums exists, and to hear those 22 songs (well, maybe just Crestfallen and especially Alone I remember I don't care for), but a single album would have been killer.

Still, the initial run of TWS from the title track to Runaway train is absolutely terrific. After that put the best songs off AOB (basically the first half and Journey to Arcadia, give or take) and you have a monster album.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on September 12, 2017, 12:37:08 PM
Yea, if I could mix and match those two albums, you'd end up with one really good album. 
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on September 12, 2017, 12:39:05 PM
but probably TMoT at #2. I do agree about it suffering from the lack of Jorn, but I do love most of the songs on there.


It's because of the lack of Jawn.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bosk1 on September 12, 2017, 02:03:34 PM
Been a fan of Avantasia for many many years. What is everyone's favorite album?

I only have the last two.  The Mystery of Time got really rave reviews, so I bought it as a blind purchase and really enjoyed it.  I got Ghostlights when that one came out and was pretty disappointed with it.

That's a shame! What didn't you like about it?

I don't know that I can say it is any specific thing.  It just doesn't grab me, and I don't find the songs to be very memorable for me, which is pretty much the opposite of TMOT.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on September 12, 2017, 02:11:04 PM
...and not enough Kiske!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 12, 2017, 11:38:48 PM
I came to know Avantasia with Scarecrow and that's still my favorite. After that The Wicked Symphony, The Mystery Of Time and Ghostlights constantly battel for second place, I like all of them almost equally. Angel Of Babylon would be fifth. I haven't heard the two Metal Opera records.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on September 13, 2017, 05:33:58 AM
I think that goes to show how far removed from power metal - or Edguy's roots, by and large - Tobias Sammet is these days. He's so much more rock oriented than power metal that I'm very surprised by the lack of Mandrake representation. But that's just my opinion. Maybe he had something else in mind. :) I don't understand the inclusion of the B sides or Eternal Wayfarer (c'mon, man - if you're gonna go with newer epics, choose Behind the Gates to Midnight World! that main riff is HEAVY!). But that's Tobi...

Eternal Wayfarer is the weakest ballad Tobi has done with Edguy, can't believe that's on here.  Putting that in over The Pharoah is just unreal.  I don't mind Holy Water but Spooks and Opera shouldn't be here.  The demo from the Savage Poetry is crap.  Oh Love Tyger shouldn't be on here.  Lavatory and Superheroes are there, fuck, that's enough.  Save Me, 929 and Rock of Cashel are just awful picks.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bosk1 on September 13, 2017, 12:20:06 PM
To add to my prior post about Ghostlights:  I am listening now just because it was the next up in my playlist and was reminded of one more reason I don't really care for this album.  Draconian Love just came out, and it is such a laughably bad song that I can't believe Tobi thought it was a good idea to include it on the album as anything but a joke interlude.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Grappler on September 13, 2017, 12:24:00 PM
To add to my prior post about Ghostlights:  I am listening now just because it was the next up in my playlist and was reminded of one more reason I don't really care for this album.  Draconian Love just came out, and it is such a laughably bad song that I can't believe Tobi thought it was a good idea to include it on the album as anything but a joke interlude.

That song is awesome.  I'm a big fan of the Finnish style of metal (i.e. Sentenced/Poisonblack/To Die For) where that is a very popular sound, so it may explain why I love it so much.

The chorus in that song is huge, and I love that they changed the vocals and recorded them an octave lower to give it more of that gothy sound.

Laughably bad on that album is the blood red rose song.  Ugh.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kattelox on September 13, 2017, 12:29:05 PM
That's a funny way of spelling The Haunting, guys.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on September 13, 2017, 01:23:11 PM
To add to my prior post about Ghostlights:  I am listening now just because it was the next up in my playlist and was reminded of one more reason I don't really care for this album.  Draconian Love just came out, and it is such a laughably bad song that I can't believe Tobi thought it was a good idea to include it on the album as anything but a joke interlude.

One of my favorites from the album.  Song is soooo catchy.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on September 13, 2017, 01:30:35 PM
Draconian love is awesome! liking or at the very least being used to that kind of sound like Grappler pointed out could help, sure, but I find the song a very accomplished experiment in that style and with a bombastic chorus that was a blast live.

And The Haunting is great as well, maybe it's redundant since there's already Death is Just a Feeling, but I love it.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on September 13, 2017, 01:45:55 PM
I enjoy the Haunting much more than Death is Just A Feeling

But yea, that chorus in Draconian Love  :metal :metal
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kattelox on September 13, 2017, 01:49:39 PM
Hated Draconian Love the first time I heard it. Now it's one of my go-to songs to play while I shower. Or Seduction of Decay... More like SUDuction of Decay.  :lol

I'll show myself out...
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bosk1 on September 13, 2017, 01:50:21 PM
But yea, that chorus in Draconian Love  :metal :metal

:dunno:  Okay, well, I guess all I can say is, okay...  I mean, even when I strongly dislike something, I can reasonably step back from it and appreciate that there are aspects that others can find suit their individual tastes.  But even allowing for personal opinions, this one is just a headscratcher for me.  I just don't find anything in it that I can latch onto and say, "Yeah, somebody with different tastes could absolutely like this."  I just don't find anything even slightly redeeming in anything about this song.  But, hey, tastes.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bosk1 on September 13, 2017, 01:50:53 PM
More like SUDuction of Decay.  :lol

I'll show myself out...

:lolpalm:
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on September 13, 2017, 01:52:54 PM
But yea, that chorus in Draconian Love  :metal :metal

:dunno:  Okay, well, I guess all I can say is, okay...  I mean, even when I strongly dislike something, I can reasonably step back from it and appreciate that there are aspects that others can find suit their individual tastes.  But even allowing for personal opinions, this one is just a headscratcher for me.  I just don't find anything in it that I can latch onto and say, "Yeah, somebody with different tastes could absolutely like this."  I just don't find anything even slightly redeeming in anything about this song.  But, hey, tastes.

And that's cool, I mean, I feel the opposite, like "how could you not like this ultra catchy sing a long chorus?"  but that's music and we all have our own tastes.  There's definitely a different feeling to that song than anything else in their discography so I don't think it's crazy to think someone might not like this song compared to the rest of their music.  To each their own.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kattelox on September 13, 2017, 02:02:02 PM
bosk, it's cool, I feel that exact same way about a lot of the songs on Mystery of Time and Angel of Babylon, half due to lyrics, the other due to the sound just not fitting within my personal boundaries of what Avantasia should sound like. Mystery of Time is especially offensive in the lyrics department:

"We must finalise the giant
To level off the void and zeroise the will
...
The tongue of nations brought in line
Reason occupied: the God-machine oh
A splendid steaming dram will tower to the sky"
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Logain Ablar on September 13, 2017, 02:22:06 PM
I find it best not to delve into the lyrics too much. They're all a bit "Eurovision", but I think there's a certain wonky charm in that. :)
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kattelox on September 13, 2017, 02:28:39 PM
I know I'm posting a lot and this is off topic but I love your username Logain. WoT kicks ass.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Logain Ablar on September 13, 2017, 02:41:59 PM
I know I'm posting a lot and this is off topic but I love your username Logain. WoT kicks ass.

Cheers dude. Flattery of course will get you everywhere  :lol

There is a WoT topic somewhere if you want to jump in to that. i started it, so that normally guarantees it turns to tumbleweed within 10 posts, but, whatever..  :lol
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on September 13, 2017, 03:23:12 PM
But yea, that chorus in Draconian Love  :metal :metal

:dunno:  Okay, well, I guess all I can say is, okay...  I mean, even when I strongly dislike something, I can reasonably step back from it and appreciate that there are aspects that others can find suit their individual tastes.  But even allowing for personal opinions, this one is just a headscratcher for me.  I just don't find anything in it that I can latch onto and say, "Yeah, somebody with different tastes could absolutely like this."  I just don't find anything even slightly redeeming in anything about this song.  But, hey, tastes.

I'm pretty much with you Jer.  The best thing I can say about Draconian Love is that I can tolerate it, and I don't hit skip every time I listen to the album.  Ghostlights is a tale of extremes for me - 1/2 I absolutely love; the rest ranges from tolerable to skipable.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bosk1 on September 13, 2017, 03:54:48 PM
But yea, that chorus in Draconian Love  :metal :metal

:dunno:  Okay, well, I guess all I can say is, okay...  I mean, even when I strongly dislike something, I can reasonably step back from it and appreciate that there are aspects that others can find suit their individual tastes.  But even allowing for personal opinions, this one is just a headscratcher for me.  I just don't find anything in it that I can latch onto and say, "Yeah, somebody with different tastes could absolutely like this."  I just don't find anything even slightly redeeming in anything about this song.  But, hey, tastes.

I'm pretty much with you Jer.  The best thing I can say about Draconian Love is that I can tolerate it, and I don't hit skip every time I listen to the album.  Ghostlights is a tale of extremes for me - 1/2 I absolutely love; the rest ranges from tolerable to skipable.

To elaborate further...and I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but...  Remember in Guardians of the Galaxy 2 when Taserface is about to die and does his "remember the name...Taserface" monologue, and Ayesha tries to keep straight-faced, but is unable to suppress the involuntarily giggle?  (by the way, someone needs to make a .gif of that)  I have that reaction to this song.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on September 13, 2017, 04:11:00 PM
What is Guardians Of The Galaxy and who is Taserface?
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on September 13, 2017, 04:53:39 PM
What is Guardians Of The Galaxy and who is Taserface?

I don't know either.  Unless it's some Gloryhammer style metal band, I'm not interested.

I think Draconian Love is pretty good and IMO the whole album is wonderful from start to finish.  One of Tobi's best works IMO.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on September 13, 2017, 04:54:29 PM
I think Draconian Love is fine, but the chorus is overused.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on September 23, 2017, 05:26:34 AM
Great Edguy show in Cologne yesterday. Considering that I'm not a huge fan of Edguy and that I only knew a few songs from the setlist, I liked it a lot. The crowd was singing along to almost every song (except Love Tyger). Also Tobias is apparently way more talkative when he's speaking in German. Not that I understood anything he was saying. :lol

Support band was The Unity, a new band with Henjo Richter on guitars and Michael Ehre on drums. They were pretty good too, I ended up buying a CD and getting it signed by their singer after the show.

Anyway, both the band and the crowd seemed to have a lot of fun, great atmosphere all around.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on September 23, 2017, 06:07:02 AM
Also Tobias is apparently way more talkative when he's speaking in German. Not that I understood anything he was saying. :lol

I remember seeing a Wacken streaming and since he was talking german, he said in english "To those who don't speak german, did you find my jokes funny anyway?"  :lol
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kattelox on September 23, 2017, 07:30:52 AM
In '09 Edguy were playing up in Chicago after the show got moved like an hour and a half away because the previous venue they were supposed to play at shut down. There were like 200 people max at the show. He was talking at some point about the 'dedicated fans' in the audience and I raised my Tinnitus Sanctus shirt. He noted it and said, "Oh you bought the shirt did you? That'll help a lot with the ticket sales"  :lol :lol
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Logain Ablar on September 23, 2017, 08:32:27 AM
I'm sure an Edguy show would be a lot of fun. I'd love to see either them or Avantasia, but I don't think either of them have been to Ireland yet.

I always think of Edguy as an outlet for Tobi's cheeky schoolboy humour. Avantasia is his more "serious fantasy" side.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on September 24, 2017, 04:57:57 AM
I saw Edguy on the Hellfire Club tour in a small club where you could literally relax and sit at a table 15m away and watch the band up close.  There was like 150-200 people there, they were incredible.  Small intimate venue and not many people but still put on an arena like show, it was wonderful.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on September 24, 2017, 07:33:38 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w10mBlaKWVE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w10mBlaKWVE) - 3 Live Songs from Wacken (The Scarecrow, Reach for the Light, Runaway Train)
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kattelox on September 24, 2017, 07:44:00 AM
Runaway Train is such a good song. Definitely one of my favorite Avantasia tunes.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 24, 2017, 11:34:33 AM
Love Runaway Train.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Grappler on September 24, 2017, 08:15:45 PM
I'm sure an Edguy show would be a lot of fun. I'd love to see either them or Avantasia, but I don't think either of them have been to Ireland yet.

I believe this was from Edguy's US debut at ProgPower III.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kItTwZt8LUw

Love the crowd sing-a-long during the first handful of minutes.   FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Logain Ablar on September 25, 2017, 02:44:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w10mBlaKWVE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w10mBlaKWVE) - 3 Live Songs from Wacken (The Scarecrow, Reach for the Light, Runaway Train)

Well, that was a a pleasant way to spend the first 30 mins of work on a Monday morning!

Great video. Jorn Lande is just such a consistent live performer. Nails it every time! Both Sascha and Oliver are great guitarists - love the solo trade-offs in The Scarecrow.

Love the crowd sing-a-long during the first handful of minutes.   FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK!

 :lol
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on September 25, 2017, 05:32:02 AM
Never understood the love for Runaway Train at all.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on April 21, 2018, 08:58:53 AM
From Facebook....
Quote
New AVANTASIA work in progress. Creative break in England! It's shaping up nicely. Have a great day everyone. -T
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Bolsters on April 21, 2018, 09:04:39 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/Maqy7U3.gif)
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on April 21, 2018, 09:58:55 AM
He was always hinting at that in previous posts, he became more and more revealing lately. The only doubt was wether it was Edguy or Avantasia but it has been clear for some time it was Avantasia. Excellent confirmation anyway!!!  :metal
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on April 21, 2018, 10:22:39 AM
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Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on April 21, 2018, 11:36:04 AM
 :metal :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kwyjibo on April 21, 2018, 12:42:26 PM
:metal :metal :metal :metal

 :metal :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Logain Ablar on April 21, 2018, 12:58:51 PM
Please please please let there be a collab with Bruce Dickinson. That would be insanely brilliant.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kattelox on April 21, 2018, 01:53:27 PM
I will squeal with joy if he ever gets Bruce to guest star in Avantasia but I'm not holding my breath. But even Bruce couldn't have saved The Mystery of Time from being a big ol' turd, so hopefully the next Avantasia is more like Ghostlights.  :biggrin:

Also I grow saltier with every passing year that Avantasia has overshadowed Edguy so much. Edguy is nothing more than a fallback from Avantasia these days, and that annoys me...
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on April 21, 2018, 02:24:47 PM
Please no Bruce, and I don't really care for much Edguy, so more Avantasia works just fine for me.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on April 21, 2018, 03:09:43 PM
Also I grow saltier with every passing year that Avantasia has overshadowed Edguy so much. Edguy is nothing more than a fallback from Avantasia these days, and that annoys me...

Well, they were always alternated, an Edguy cycle, and then an Avantasia cycle. But now supposedly a greatest hits with only five new songs and a short tour count as an Edguy cycle.

He also said he won't be on stage this year, so don't expect the album to be out anytime soon.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kattelox on April 21, 2018, 03:14:52 PM
Also I grow saltier with every passing year that Avantasia has overshadowed Edguy so much. Edguy is nothing more than a fallback from Avantasia these days, and that annoys me...

Well, they were always alternated, an Edguy cycle, and then an Avantasia cycle. But now supposedly a greatest hits with only five new songs and a short tour count as an Edguy cycle.

He also said he won't be on stage this year, so don't expect the album to be out anytime soon.

I suppose I'm irrationally salty because it was initially "Avantasia isn't coming back!" then they came back. Then it was "Avantasia is just a side gig!" until Tobi started being more prolific with it than Edguy. Now it's, like you said, just a greatest hits with a few new songs, which if you don't count that as a 'studio' release then we're going 4 years now without a new album. Avantasia's had 4 albums (and apparently a 5th in the works) since 2010... Edguy has had 2. Grumble grumble, rabble rabble, I'm just grumpy.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on April 21, 2018, 03:25:12 PM
Id be upset too if I liked Ed Guy more than Avantasia, but I don't so this makes me super happy.

I'd love to see Bruce take a part with Avantasia, but I have no expectations of that happening.  I would expect a similar cast as usual, maybe more Tate honestly since it seems him and Tobi are buds now.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on April 21, 2018, 03:46:43 PM
Also I grow saltier with every passing year that Avantasia has overshadowed Edguy so much. Edguy is nothing more than a fallback from Avantasia these days, and that annoys me...

Well, they were always alternated, an Edguy cycle, and then an Avantasia cycle. But now supposedly a greatest hits with only five new songs and a short tour count as an Edguy cycle.

He also said he won't be on stage this year, so don't expect the album to be out anytime soon.

I suppose I'm irrationally salty because it was initially "Avantasia isn't coming back!" then they came back. Then it was "Avantasia is just a side gig!" until Tobi started being more prolific with it than Edguy. Now it's, like you said, just a greatest hits with a few new songs, which if you don't count that as a 'studio' release then we're going 4 years now without a new album. Avantasia's had 4 albums (and apparently a 5th in the works) since 2010... Edguy has had 2. Grumble grumble, rabble rabble, I'm just grumpy.

:getoffmylawn:

Id be upset too if I liked Ed Guy more than Avantasia, but I don't so this makes me super happy.

:iagree:
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on April 21, 2018, 05:52:13 PM
The Mystery of Time is one of their best albums, whereas Ghostlights was just mostly boring. I'm optimistic for the next one though.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kattelox on April 21, 2018, 06:02:30 PM
Bah. My opinions on Tobias Sammet and Kamelot are clearly in the minority here  :lol :biggrin:
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on April 21, 2018, 06:21:29 PM
The Mystery of Time is one of their best albums

It's amazing. My favorite easily.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on April 22, 2018, 01:01:42 AM
Bah. My opinions on Tobias Sammet and Kamelot are clearly in the minority here  :lol :biggrin:

Nah, with TMOT it's like 50/50 I think. Some of us here love it, some prefer Ghostlights.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Polarbear on April 22, 2018, 01:41:29 AM
I have never been disappointed with a Avantasia release, hopefully this new one won't be an exception. And for the record, I prefer The Mystery of Time over Ghostlights.

As to who might appear on this new album, probably the usual suspects. I would also place my bets on Andi Deris appearing. According to this one interview, Deris and Kiske have become good friends during the Pumpkins United tour. I wouldn't be surprised if Kiske pulls a few strings with Tobi, since he is surely going to be part of it.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Logain Ablar on April 22, 2018, 01:46:57 AM
I could be wrong, but I think I read that Kiske is contracted exclusively to Helloween, so maybe he won’t be part of the next Avantasia album.

It’s very close between TMOT and Ghostlights. Ghostlights shades it because of Jorn. The song Lucifer also adds extra bonus points. I absolutely love it.  :metal
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: gazinwales on April 22, 2018, 02:00:04 AM
I doubt if Kiske is contracted to anyone, but given that Helloween and Avantasia are on the same label, Nuclear Blast, I wouldn't have thought that being on the next Avantasia album would be an issue.
If anything I would say NB encouraging him to be on it, as this can be a major selling point in the album promo.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on April 22, 2018, 05:00:16 AM
From Facebook....
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New AVANTASIA work in progress. Creative break in England! It's shaping up nicely. Have a great day everyone. -T

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Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on April 22, 2018, 07:15:37 AM
I like Ghostlights more than TMOT but TMOT is fantastic, really awesome album.  Ghostlights is just a tad better IMO.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on April 22, 2018, 09:20:33 AM
For me, Ghostlights has more highs, but also has more lows.  TMOT is more consistent, but the 'highs' of Ghostlights make outweigh the lows making it the slightly more preferred album for me - but I do hit the skip button more than a few times.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kwyjibo on April 23, 2018, 05:12:32 AM
I think I like Ghostlights and TMOT equally, both are really good. My favorite is still The Scarecrow, but the fact that it was my introduction to Avantasia may play a part in rating it higher than the rest.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on April 23, 2018, 05:14:05 AM
For me The Mystery of Time has the best opener (Spectres) and the best closer (The Great Mystery). Ghostlights wins all over basically everything else (but the ballads are both me).
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on April 23, 2018, 05:56:16 AM
I think I like Ghostlights and TMOT equally, both are really good. My favorite is still The Scarecrow, but the fact that it was my introduction to Avantasia may play a part in rating it higher than the rest.

Or the fact that it is the best them.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on April 23, 2018, 06:06:50 AM
It's tough, but I'd go Ghostlights.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kattelox on April 23, 2018, 06:23:54 AM
I think I like Ghostlights and TMOT equally, both are really good. My favorite is still The Scarecrow, but the fact that it was my introduction to Avantasia may play a part in rating it higher than the rest.

Or the fact that it is the best them.

I hated that album when it first released... was not Avantasia at all, but then again everyone was expecting Metal Opera style of music... I love it these days but still don't like What Kind of Love and Carry Me Over.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on April 23, 2018, 06:55:48 AM
Ghostlights
TMOT
Scarecrow

The trifecta of amazing Avantasia albums.  The rest are good, but don't come close to these three for me.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bosk1 on April 23, 2018, 02:05:27 PM
If this is Ghostlights-level awful, I'm not interested.  But if it is even half as good as TMOT, I'm sure I'll like it. 

I've been meaning to check out their back catalog.  Listening to Scarecrow now, and liking what I hear so far.  I may have to pick this one up.

EDIT:  Wow, I'm really digging Scarecrow.  I need to get this.  The Toy Master is really cool.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on April 23, 2018, 02:51:18 PM
EDIT:  Wow, I'm really digging Scarecrow.  I need to get this.  The Toy Master is really cool.

Alice!! :metal
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on April 23, 2018, 03:03:24 PM
EDIT:  Wow, I'm really digging Scarecrow.  I need to get this.  The Toy Master is really cool.

Alice!! :metal

Really awesome song, I'd love to see Alice perform with Avantasia
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Logain Ablar on April 23, 2018, 03:35:37 PM
The Toy Master is the perfect song for Alice Cooper. Deliciously creepy.

The Scarecrow (song) is one of their very best, IMO. Maybe even my favourite Avantasia song. I’m not sure what “they put a spoke right in your wheel” means, but I’ll let it slide..  :lol
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on April 23, 2018, 03:38:00 PM
The Toy Master is the perfect song for Alice Cooper. Deliciously creepy.

Death Is Just A Feeling would've been perfect for Alice Cooper instead of having Jon Oliva barf all over himself trying to impersonate Alice Cooper.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kattelox on April 23, 2018, 04:04:09 PM
Man, for all the complaints I have about Scarecrow, the title track is a god damn masterpiece. Jorn does a great job in the beginning but comes back at the end to let everyone know who the real man in charge is. She'll better off to cry CONTRITE TEEEEAAAAARRRRYEEAHHHHS :metardica: :2metal:

bosk, does that mean you've never heard the MOs? Dude. Go play Seven Angels like, yesterday.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bosk1 on April 23, 2018, 04:14:43 PM
What is MOs?
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on April 23, 2018, 04:15:37 PM
The Metal Operas Pts 1 & 2
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kattelox on April 23, 2018, 04:57:04 PM
Aye. I prefer Pt. 2 to 1 personally. Not sure how well they've aged particularly for someone who's never heard them but they're two of the defining albums of that late 90s, early 2000s super power metal style (my fave).
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bosk1 on April 23, 2018, 04:58:47 PM
Well, I was listening to Scarecrow, and then Wicked Symphony came on next.  That was pretty cool as well.  Then Ghostlights came on next.  I vomited all over my keyboard.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on April 24, 2018, 01:11:28 AM
The Toy Master is the perfect song for Alice Cooper. Deliciously creepy.

Death Is Just A Feeling would've been perfect for Alice Cooper instead of having Jon Oliva barf all over himself trying to impersonate Alice Cooper.

I think Jon Oliva simply did evil Jon Oliva with that song. He did what he does when he wants to be creepy. Listen to him impersonating the devil on TSO's "Mephistopheles" and "Misery".
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on April 24, 2018, 05:38:38 AM
NO! I will not listen to more Jon Oliva. ;D
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on April 24, 2018, 06:02:50 AM
NO! I will not listen to more Jon Oliva. ;D

There is so much wrong with this statement.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on April 24, 2018, 06:05:56 AM
NO! I will not listen to more Jon Oliva. ;D

There is so much wrong with this statement.

Found it!! ;D
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on April 24, 2018, 06:37:01 AM
NO! I will not listen to more Jon Oliva. ;D

There is so much wrong with this statement.

Found it!! ;D

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bl5150 on April 24, 2018, 06:39:08 AM
 :lol  Vintage Tim.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on April 24, 2018, 06:41:24 AM
:lol  Vintage Tim.

He's too far gone Brent, no saving the poor boy.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on April 24, 2018, 07:06:25 AM
NO! I will not listen to more Jon Oliva. ;D

There is so much wrong with this statement.

Found it!! ;D

 :lol
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on May 03, 2018, 08:04:17 AM
Aaaaaand a new album, MOONGLOW, and a world tour, will happen in 2019. It starts in Europe, the very second date is in my hometown  :metal
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on May 03, 2018, 08:36:59 AM
I expect them to come back to NYC.  That was one of the best shows I've ever seen.  Really excited for this   :yarr
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kattelox on May 03, 2018, 09:06:33 AM
So we'll go probably 6 years without an Edguy album. Great.

That said I absolutely adore the title Moonglow and it'll launch just in time for my birthday, again, so I'm psyched. I want this badly.

Of course I'll never get to see Avantasia live... :(
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on May 03, 2018, 09:14:36 AM
Probably won't buy an artbook this time, but will get the album and will definitely see them again if they come to my town (that'll be a third time and I'm confident they will, their show sold very well both times).
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on May 03, 2018, 09:17:07 AM
So we'll go probably 6 years without an Edguy album. Great.

Don't be greedy, you got 5 brand new songs on a deliciously packaged greatest hits!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on May 03, 2018, 09:19:34 AM
Of course I'll never get to see Avantasia live... :(

Never say never.  I've got to imagine they will expand even further into NA this time around.  Still maybe not to you, but if they keep growing, eventually. (although I have no idea where you are, so maybe alaska then nvmd)
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bosk1 on May 03, 2018, 09:48:08 AM
I am on a bit of an Avantasia binge this morning.  Listening through Ghostlights, I continue to oscillate back and forth, from song to song, between, "This is pretty good!  Yeah, this is exactly why I like this band" and "This is just awful!  What was Tobi thinking?"  I love it.  I hate it.  I love it.  I hate it.  :lol  Luckily, their other albums tend to get much more of a consistent reaction from me.  :lol

As for the new album, I will cautiously say it is likely an automatic buy.  Even if it is Ghostlights II, there should still be enough songs that I like to make it worthwhile.  I am cautiously optimistic.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on May 03, 2018, 09:50:52 AM
I remember buying Ghostlights on the same day (release day) of DT's The Astonishing. It was almost a double blind purchase - I've heard a YouTube video that presented clips of Ghostlights songs, but I made a conscious choice to not listen to anything at all from DT 'cause I wanted a full, untainted and unspoiled first listening experience with the album. I will probably do the same thing again, both with Avantasia and DT.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kattelox on May 03, 2018, 10:11:02 AM
So we'll go probably 6 years without an Edguy album. Great.

Don't be greedy, you got 5 brand new songs on a deliciously packaged greatest hits!

Five bad songs on yet another compilation. No thanks
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kattelox on May 03, 2018, 10:11:32 AM
Of course I'll never get to see Avantasia live... :(

Never say never.  I've got to imagine they will expand even further into NA this time around.  Still maybe not to you, but if they keep growing, eventually. (although I have no idea where you are, so maybe alaska then nvmd)
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Couple hours south of Chicago :)
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on May 03, 2018, 10:14:14 AM
So we'll go probably 6 years without an Edguy album. Great.

Don't be greedy, you got 5 brand new songs on a deliciously packaged greatest hits!

Five bad songs on yet another compilation. No thanks

You know that green font means sarcasm here, right? :)

As for me, hey, I'm down with whatever Tobi is releasing. Saw Edguy last year on Monuments tour and it was a lot of fun, Tobi seemed like he had a blast too. I'm pretty sure we'll get a full Edguy album after this Avantasia chapter. Or, well, maybe not. Who knows. :P
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on May 03, 2018, 11:08:43 AM
I hope they come to Toronto, but won't be surprised if they don't.  They could only book an 1200 seat theater, and I'd say it was generous to suggest it was 2/3 full.  If I have to go to Montreal, I just might do that again.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kattelox on May 03, 2018, 11:17:11 AM
Does the green actually indicate sarcasm? I am clearly still a noob.  :loser:  :lol
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Samsara on May 03, 2018, 11:27:59 AM
Looking forward to the details on the album!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on May 03, 2018, 11:29:43 AM
Looking forward to the details on the album!

Yea, very curious who the guests will be. 
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bosk1 on May 03, 2018, 11:32:52 AM
Looking forward to the details on the album!

Yea, very curious who the guests will be. 

So far, Tobi hasn't asked me.  But I keep checking my email just in case.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kattelox on May 03, 2018, 11:36:26 AM
I like the guests more when he goes for power metal singers as opposed to the old rock stars of Mystery of Time  :biggrin: Kiske is a given for at least one track but hopefully Jorn also comes back and hell maybe get Andre Matos again. I've kind of had my fill of Bob Catley though if I'm being honest.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on May 03, 2018, 11:40:17 AM
I've kind of had my fill of Bob Catley though if I'm being honest.

I've had my fill of "let's have the final, melanchonic but hopeful, somehow balladish song for Catley" rather. I get that is what he's good at, just as Kiske is good for the soaring power metal vocals, but after the grandiose The Great Mystery having Bob sing only Restless Heart, Obsidian Skies on the latest album was a bit underwhelming.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bosk1 on May 03, 2018, 11:41:24 AM
Maybe this is just my own personal issue, but in my limited exposure to Avantasia, I find that I most often like the music more when it is a singer I am less familiar with, and I like it less when it is a singer I am more familiar with.  There are exceptions to that.  But I have noticed that as a general trend.  For instance, I'm not all that familiar with any of the vocalists on TMOT, and I like almost every single track and easily get immersed in the album.  (I mean, I know who most of them are, but they aren't from bands I actively listen to, so they often don't jump out at me).  On Ghostlights, for example, on Marco's and Sharon's songs, those two VERY recognizable voices kind of take me out of the moment and have me thinking Nightwish or Within Temptation rather than being immersed in the album I am actually listening to. 
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on May 03, 2018, 11:42:55 AM
I hope there's no Jorn and Bob this time, to be honest. I'd love him to invite some new guests this time around.

I hope Kiske will be on it, though.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Samsara on May 03, 2018, 11:43:24 AM
Given how well it worked, I wouldn't be surprised if Tate was on a couple of tracks.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kattelox on May 03, 2018, 11:46:33 AM
MirrorMask, I think that's exactly why I've had my fill of Catley. Just seems like each singer gets reserved for a certain type of song, and I'm not as crazy about his. Runaway Train is top 10 Avantasia songs for me though...

I forgot about Tate. His song is one of my favorites too.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Samsara on May 03, 2018, 11:53:56 AM

I forgot about Tate. His song is one of my favorites too.

He and Tobias appear to have gotten close. First the tour, then Tobias' guest appearances at Tate's shows, etc. Given all that, I think it is likely...
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bosk1 on May 03, 2018, 11:54:39 AM
Really?  I didn't know that.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kattelox on May 03, 2018, 11:55:22 AM
Oh yeah. Tobi freaking loves Geoff Tate.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Samsara on May 03, 2018, 12:16:29 PM
Hey, if Tobi can get Tate to sing like he did on that Avantasia song, I'd be all for it.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kwyjibo on May 03, 2018, 12:26:12 PM
I wouldn't mind Bob Catley, guy is an impressive singer, even at his age, but give him another kind of song. I don't need Tate but wouldn't mind him if the song's good. Kiske should be on there and then maybe some guys and girls he hasn't worked with.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on May 03, 2018, 01:36:20 PM
There's very few guests from the past that I'd say I'd rather not see again, but I will agree that the Catley usage is a little old only because it's the same thing on each album, although I have no issue wiht him returning, just rather see him not used in the same song over and over. 

I really do want more Jorn though.  He's my favorite of the regular guests. 
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on May 03, 2018, 01:44:58 PM
In regards to Jorn—and let me say I love Jorn's voice—I think Tobias have gone a little too safe with Jorn after The Scarecrow. I felt that from The Wicked Symphony onwards, Jorn was more like a given on Avantasia albums, and then the time had come to record The Mystery of Time, and Tobias totally had Jorn in sights, but then Jorn said "hey, I can record the studio vocals but I won't be there for the tour". Tobias then had to find other singers for that album, and I thought that was a much needed breath of fresh air for Avantasia; for I can't imagine Jorn performing anywhere on TMOT except maybe Invoke the Machine.

Then Jorn was back for Ghostlights, and as far as I'm concerned, Lucifer notwithstanding, even though Tobias cut down his participation for the actual vocal duties, that album was Avantasia by numbers, and while for other bands that would've been sufficient, I've got higher standards for anything Tobias is releasing, because he himself set the bar at its highest. And, well, I know that Ghostlights is the most critically acclaimed Avantasia album. I just hope Tobias doesn't give a shit about that, and that he will write and record whatever he wants.

I'm kinda rambling. I'm not saying that I don't want Jorn on Moonglow, I'm saying that I want Tobias to maybe explore some new grounds with this album, or at least to not stick to the tried-and-true formula he used on some previous album.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on May 03, 2018, 01:48:16 PM
I think it goes without saying that we want to see the band continue being themselves without repeating themselves.  Kind of the same with Catley, but I guess it applies to Jorn too, just that.... Jorn is just soooo good that I'd almost rather have him to something similar than not have him at all.  Wheras Catley is a little more disposable to my ears. 

Something about seeing Jorn live too (Catley didn't make the NA dates) that he has such power in his vocals and delivery.  I was blown away.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on May 03, 2018, 01:51:38 PM
Oh yeah, I loved seeing Jorn live (he wasn't there for TMOT tour, so it was a treat for Ghostlights tour, that's for sure). Catley also didn't make Russian dates, so we're in the same boat there, Eric Martin stepped for Bob for our gig.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: MirrorMask on May 03, 2018, 02:38:08 PM
Bob Catley live is awesome.

And now I remember Tobi on FB saying something on the lines of "Well, when I didn't work with Catley when it wasn't Edguy?" in reply to a question about him, maybe those were not the exact words but he implied that it was kinda a given teaming up with Bob, so I assume he will be again on the new album.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on May 06, 2018, 12:50:52 PM
Seems Geoff Tate will be on the next album.

https://bravewords.com/news/former-queensryche-vocalist-geoff-tate-to-guest-on-new-avantasia-album-i-m-on-pins-and-needles-in-anticipation
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on May 06, 2018, 01:13:32 PM
fuck
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on May 06, 2018, 01:14:32 PM
??

At least it's better then hearing he's on the next Queensryche album..




He was fine on Ghostlights.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on May 06, 2018, 01:35:05 PM
I thought he sounded pretty awful on Ghostlights; his track is the only one on the album I always skip. I'd rather he be on the next Queensryche album, since I don't really listen to Queensryche.

Oh well. Hopefully Tobi only gives him one song.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on May 06, 2018, 05:02:09 PM
Tate was passable on Ghostlights, hopefully one song again is enough.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kattelox on May 06, 2018, 05:40:11 PM
Yo, hold up, Seduction of Decay is one of the best songs on Ghostlights.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on May 06, 2018, 05:40:37 PM
Tate was passable on Ghostostlights, hopefully one song again is enough.

I knew Tobi would do a great job with him, and I thought he got as much out of Tate as he could. I was fine with it.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on May 06, 2018, 07:28:23 PM
Yo, hold up, Seduction of Decay is one of the best songs on Ghostlights.

You and me have a very different definition of "best"

Tate was passable on Ghostostlights, hopefully one song again is enough.

:iagree:
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kattelox on May 06, 2018, 07:29:44 PM
Okay jingles, gotta know your fave GL songs now  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on May 06, 2018, 07:33:47 PM
Okay jingles, gotta know your fave GL songs now  :biggrin:

Let the Storm Descend Upon you was my favorite track from 2016.  After that, Ghostlights, Lucifer, Unchain the Light, Restless Heart & Obsidian Skies.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kattelox on May 06, 2018, 07:34:45 PM
Okay jingles, gotta know your fave GL songs now  :biggrin:

Let the Storm Descend Upon you was my favorite track from 2016.  After that, Ghostlights, Lucifer, Unchain the Light, Restless Heart & Obsidian Skies.

Nice. That's me too, except replace RHOS with Seduction. Pendulum is close behind.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on May 06, 2018, 07:47:32 PM
The Haunting is an Alice Cooper mashup of Steven/This House Is Haunted/Might As Well Be On Mars. Tobi should've just brought Alice in to sing it.

The title track is my favorite track off Ghostlights.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: jingle.boy on May 06, 2018, 08:35:41 PM
Okay jingles, gotta know your fave GL songs now  :biggrin:

Let the Storm Descend Upon you was my favorite track from 2016.  After that, Ghostlights, Lucifer, Unchain the Light, Restless Heart & Obsidian Skies.

Nice. That's me too, except replace RHOS with Seduction. Pendulum is close behind.

I agree with the bolded.  That would be the next ranking tune.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kwyjibo on May 06, 2018, 10:44:19 PM
Tate was passable on Ghostostlights, hopefully one song again is enough.

Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Polarbear on May 07, 2018, 01:00:32 AM
Tate was passable on Ghostostlights, hopefully one song again is enough.

Honestly, Tate sounded better on Ghostlights than any of the post Now Frontier Queesryche albums. Still not great, but better. Problem was, that Seduction of Decay sounded like a B- side filler. Hopefully Tobi gives him something better to work with this time.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on May 07, 2018, 08:31:52 AM
Yea, Tate was fine, just was singing on one of the lesser songs from the album IMO.  One song is enough on the next album for me.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kwyjibo on May 07, 2018, 12:23:25 PM
Seduction Of Decay is one of the better songs imo and Tate was solid. But to be content with a solid performance by one of the leading metal singers of the past is actually kinda sad.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on May 07, 2018, 03:48:29 PM
Seduction Of Decay is one of the better songs imo and Tate was solid. But to be content with a solid performance by one of the leading metal singers of the past is actually kinda sad.

Yeah, but it was as good as he'd done in almost 20 years.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: wolfking on May 07, 2018, 04:34:47 PM
Okay jingles, gotta know your fave GL songs now  :biggrin:

Let the Storm Descend Upon you was my favorite track from 2016.  After that, Ghostlights, Lucifer, Unchain the Light, Restless Heart & Obsidian Skies.

That's pretty close to what my favs would be too I'd say.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: bosk1 on July 11, 2018, 10:01:56 AM
I am listening to TMOT, and it feels weird listening to it in the midst of summer and 100 degree weather.  I so associate this album with winter.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kattelox on July 11, 2018, 10:06:49 AM
I am listening to TMOT, and it feels weird listening to it in the midst of summer and 100 degree weather.  I so associate this album with winter.

Same. I often associate albums with weather and seasons, but this is the only Avantasia album that screams 'winter' to me. Scarecrow makes me think of summer, but none of the others have associations like that for me.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on July 11, 2018, 11:34:28 AM
I am listening to TMOT, and it feels weird listening to it in the midst of summer and 100 degree weather.  I so associate this album with winter.

Same. I often associate albums with weather and seasons, but this is the only Avantasia album that screams 'winter' to me. Scarecrow makes me think of summer, but none of the others have associations like that for me.

Yea agree with both albums/seasons although I never really thought of until now.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: TAC on July 11, 2018, 02:30:38 PM
Each of those two album covers may influence this.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on October 01, 2018, 12:49:45 PM
Tobi has slowly been revealing the guest singers for MoonGlow (maybe this thread title needs to change?) and so far here is the listing (from Facebook):

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One of the funniest and most soulful singers I have ever shared the stage with. Mr Big’s Eric Martin - will be on the MOONGLOW ALBUM!

After Kreator’s Mille Petrozza, Geoff Tate, Magnum’s Bob Catley, Candice Night and the striking viking Jornus Brutus Landus the next addition to the MOONGLOW album line up (album out February 1st).

So far two new voices and the normal supporting cast
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Evermind on October 01, 2018, 12:52:36 PM
And they announced the show in Moscow, too. Gonna be my third Avantasia show. Definitely getting my ticket this week.  :metal

Pretty sure Candice will be featured on some redundant ballad though. Last tune with Sharon den Adel was not impressive at all.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Kattelox on October 01, 2018, 01:00:05 PM
Ummm, Mille is a big WTF choice, but okay, I'm hesitantly on board with it. At least Taters is back (Seduction of Decay rules), and no Jorn = likely another Mystery of Time so thank god he's in it.
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: Grappler on October 01, 2018, 01:13:20 PM
I love the idea of having Mille Petrozza.  The rest are all fine by me!
Title: Re: The official Avantasia and Edguy thread v New album - Ghostlights - Jan 29!!
Post by: cramx3 on October 01, 2018, 01:15:21 PM