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Title: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on March 07, 2010, 09:30:29 AM
This is a mandatory thread for all forums.

Last night I watched The Spy Who Loved Me. Such a good movie; intentionally and unintentionally.

Been watching the G4 marathon too.
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Post by: El Barto on March 07, 2010, 09:53:09 AM
One of my favorites.  Been a couple of years since I've watched any of them.  Probably closing on time to start a marathon of my own.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: GuineaPig on March 07, 2010, 10:13:05 AM
You know, I've never really liked The Spy Who Loved Me.  Everyone holds it up as the best Moore film, but I prefer For Your Eyes Only, Live and Let Die to it.  I even enjoy (and I should stress enjoy, because it's a pretty awful movie) Moonraker more.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: El Barto on March 07, 2010, 10:42:38 AM
You know, I've never really liked The Spy Who Loved Me.  Everyone holds it up as the best Moore film, but I prefer For Your Eyes Only, Live and Let Die to it.  I even enjoy (and I should stress enjoy, because it's a pretty awful movie) Moonraker more.
I guess I'm part of everyone.  Certainly one of my favorites.  I'm very fond of FYEO, as well.  Those are easily Moore's two best.  Furthermore, Barbara Bach is probably my favorite of the Bond girls. 
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Tuneman on March 07, 2010, 11:28:17 AM
Loved Chris Cornell's version of the title song
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: AcidLameLTE on March 07, 2010, 11:29:44 AM
Do not want the theme by Alicia Keys and Jack White.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: RandalGraves on March 07, 2010, 11:31:03 AM
Do not want the theme by Alicia Keys and Jack White.

Ughh, do not want anything from that aborted cinematic fetus of a film.

Back on topic, I love the series.  I'm dying to get the older ones on Blu (just have Casino Royale at the moment) but I can't really justify getting any of them, with my current financial state and already owning them on DVD.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Tuneman on March 07, 2010, 11:32:10 AM
Do not want the theme by Alicia Keys and Jack White.

Ughh, do not want anything from that aborted cinematic fetus of a film.

that film beyond shittay
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: YtseBitsySpider on March 07, 2010, 12:44:32 PM
Fav Bond: Roger Moore
Fav Movie: Live and Let Die.....the escape from the Gator farm followed by by an unmatched motor boat chase scene...coupled with Whisper's chosen method for death...LOL....best Bond flick ever.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MykeHavoc on March 07, 2010, 10:06:54 PM
Love Bond. From Russia With Love is my favorite. Connery is the only 007 as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: GuineaPig on March 08, 2010, 08:48:47 AM
Hottest Bond girl: Solitaire.

Best Bond girl: Pussy Galore.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: XJDenton on March 08, 2010, 02:45:50 PM
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Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: DREAMS FTIME45 on March 08, 2010, 04:30:02 PM
I love all of them
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on July 03, 2010, 11:07:27 PM
bump because Goldfinger just started and Oddjob is fucking awesome :metal
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MykeHavoc on July 04, 2010, 12:33:53 AM
I adore Bond. Favorite is From Russia Wih Love, followed by Goldfinger. Connery has always been my favorite, but I love'em all...well, except Die Another Day. That one is a total turd. Hell, I even like Moonraker, for God's sake.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on July 04, 2010, 12:39:52 AM
I adore Bond. Favorite is From Russia Wih Love, followed by Goldfinger. Connery has always been my favorite, but I love'em all...well, except Die Another Day. That one is a total turd. Hell, I even like Moonraker, for God's sake.

Jaws :metal
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MykeHavoc on July 04, 2010, 01:46:16 AM
I didn't realize I had already responded to this thread months ago :lol
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: faemir on July 04, 2010, 04:08:44 AM
I've only seen 3 bond films, and I'm half British D:

Where should I start? Seen the two most recent ones (awesome and zzzzzzzzzzzzz respectively) and From Russia With Love (great)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: GuineaPig on July 04, 2010, 08:41:01 AM
Dr. No.
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Post by: skydivingninja on July 04, 2010, 09:51:40 AM
Love James Bond movies.  I still haven't seen the newest one yet.  I don't even remember what its called, but I don't like the new movies because they turned Bond into a run-of-the-mill action hero.  To me, James Bond has to have some of that cheesiness.  Die Another Day took it too far, but its not Bond without those cool gadgets, dismembered villains, and one-liners.
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Post by: zxlkho on July 04, 2010, 09:56:10 AM
Bond is awesome, and Thunderball is the best movie easily.
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Post by: skydivingninja on July 04, 2010, 09:57:11 AM
I'm honestly not sure what my favorite bond movie is.  The first three Moore movies are great, as are most of the Connery movies. 
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on July 04, 2010, 12:45:32 PM
One of my favorites has to be The Living Daylights, largely because Timothy Dalton is awesome.
Goldeneye is also quite awesome, as are From Russia With Love and Goldfinger.

For Moonraker, they should have just adapted the book, which would have made for a fantastic movie. As for the film they ended up making, the similarities basically end with the title, and both having a character named James Bond.

For Quantum of Solace, I have no idea what the hell they were thinking. Casino Royale was awesome, and they set themselves up quite well for the followup. It should have written itself. I actually don't know how they managed to fuck up a sure thing so badly.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on July 04, 2010, 12:48:49 PM
This thread makes me miss Stave and his Roger Moore avatar
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MykeHavoc on July 04, 2010, 10:54:27 PM
Just go chronologically. Watch the first 5 Connery bonds (Dr. No, From Russian With Love, Goldfinger, Thunderball, You Only Live Twice). You dig all of those, just dive in and watch the rest in order. Some suck, some are fun, and some downright kick ass. Just stick with'em though, as they're all entertaining.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on July 05, 2010, 12:12:03 AM
I have to say, I don't really like Thunderball. I know some consider it to be one of the best, but I just find that it drags.

The only film that's not worth watching is Die Another Day. It's just pure, concentrated terrible. It makes Moonraker look like The Godfather.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MykeHavoc on July 05, 2010, 12:42:48 AM
Die Another Day makes me want to gather all the kittens of the world into a sack and just start unloaded rounds of shotguns shells into it out of anger...


And I fucking love kitties :-[
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: DarkEternalNight on July 05, 2010, 09:28:34 PM
James Bond with Pierce Brosnan was a huge part of my childhood. I love James Bond movies.
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Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on July 06, 2010, 12:30:21 AM
Concurrently me and my bro are watching the entire collection of Bond movies via marathon. And let me tell you...you can't bite the bullet hard enough with On Her Majesty's Secret Service. Ok moviel worst bond ever. I shall only refer to him here as "He Who Must Not Be Named".

But once we got past that, life was good.

Also did you guys know that Bond might be definitely cancelled due to no one buying the rights from MGM Studios?
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: moffatt on July 06, 2010, 12:46:06 AM
Fave bond : Roger
Fave Movie : A View to a Kill (Christopher Walken!!!!!)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Gadough on July 06, 2010, 01:23:14 AM
I remember seeing Die Another Day in theaters with my Dad. Watching the sex scene (if you want to call it that in a PG-13 movie) was really awkward because I was only 10 or 11. Halle Berry was hot though.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: GuineaPig on July 06, 2010, 05:01:37 AM
Fave bond : Roger
Fave Movie : A View to a Kill (Christopher Walken!!!!!)
wot
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MykeHavoc on July 06, 2010, 12:06:44 PM
But OHMSS rules. I mean, the bobsled chase is one of my favorite action sequences in the whole series!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on July 06, 2010, 12:25:14 PM
Where should I start?

Not to give the obvious answer, but they are probably best watched sequentially. Not that they follow any chronology, and I don’t think any film references any other film in an overt way (there are subtle references, but nothing with regards to overall plot). But the Bond movies provide a good illustration of the progression of American film over the past 40 years, and in a larger way, a snapshot of how global conflicts have changed and evolved coming out of the Cold War and in to the 21st century.

I am a huge Bond fan, but don’t think each Bond film is a masterpiece. Some of them I don’t even care much for. But I think for a franchise that has existed for almost half a century, it has created a very solid and enjoyable body of work. And enjoyable is probably how I’d choose to describe the films if I had to in one word. They are lots of things, some good, some bad, but they are all largely enjoyable films.

My first Bond was Moore, and it was a while before I found out there was a Bond before him. And by the time I saw the Connery films, I was used to him as the older man he was in ‘The Last Cruise’ and ‘The Untouchables’ so it was a little weird at first to see him as the action hero. I think Dalton was a fine Bond who got mired in very weak scripts, and Brosnan was great in ‘Goldeneye’ and ‘Tomorrow Never Dies.’ Craig is a great casting choice as well though I haven’t cared as much for the movies he’s been in, but I’ve only seen them once.

Favorite villains:
Christopher Lee (Scaramanga) – the duel scene might be my all-time favorite Bond moment
Sean Bean (Alec Trevelyan(?) 006) – Aside from being a total Sean Bean fanboy,  he brought that character to life and it was great to see Bond up against one of his own.
Auric Goldfinger – Don’t know the actor’s name, but Goldfinger was such a sneaky, witty bastard. The kind of villain you don’t want to necessarily see lose.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Jamesman42 on July 06, 2010, 12:25:54 PM
I've never seen a 007 film.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on July 06, 2010, 12:47:09 PM
I think Lazenby gets more flack than he deserves. He was actually pretty good. Not the best, but still pretty good.
Personally, I'd pick him to play James Bond over Moore any day.

Also did you guys know that Bond might be definitely cancelled due to no one buying the rights from MGM Studios?
While it will definitely be on hold for a while because of this, the Bond franchise is too financially valuable to die. Even if no one buys MGM, someone will eventually buy the rights to the franchise. I just hope they do it in time to still have Craig in the role. It would be a huge shame for QoS to be his last bond film.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: skydivingninja on July 06, 2010, 01:19:54 PM
Lazenby was all right.

If anyone wants to get into James Bond, all the Connery movies and OHMSS (watched in chronological order) follow a basic overarching plot.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: pogoowner on July 06, 2010, 01:25:46 PM
Also did you guys know that Bond might be definitely cancelled due to no one buying the rights from MGM Studios?
While it will definitely be on hold for a while because of this, the Bond franchise is too financially valuable to die. Even if no one buys MGM, someone will eventually buy the rights to the franchise. I just hope they do it in time to still have Craig in the role. It would be a huge shame for QoS to be his last bond film.
Agreed. Casino Royale was excellent, but the only good thing about Quantum of Solace was Olga Kurylenko. Hopefully they can turn it around with Craig still in the role.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: zxlkho on July 06, 2010, 01:39:31 PM
I've never seen a 007 film.
You haven't lived.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on July 06, 2010, 05:33:30 PM
Also did you guys know that Bond might be definitely cancelled due to no one buying the rights from MGM Studios?
While it will definitely be on hold for a while because of this, the Bond franchise is too financially valuable to die. Even if no one buys MGM, someone will eventually buy the rights to the franchise. I just hope they do it in time to still have Craig in the role. It would be a huge shame for QoS to be his last bond film.
Agreed. Casino Royale was excellent, but the only good thing about Quantum of Solace was Olga Kurylenko. Hopefully they can turn it around with Craig still in the role.

I agree, I would love to see what they do with Rachel Weiss as the villain. Furthermore, I would hate to see Craig's career end so poorly, similar to Dalton.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on July 06, 2010, 06:07:30 PM
Come to think about it, that would be strikingly similar to what happened to Dalton.
Great actor, relatively weak second film because of the script (though License To Kill was better than QoS IMO), and a hiatus due to MGM having financial problems. It was really unfortunate for Dalton, since he was originally supposed to be in Goldeneye. Now that would have been great.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: orcus116 on July 06, 2010, 06:12:58 PM
Really? The one thing I remember about License To Kill was the acting was atrocious and the script sucked. I could only sit through half of it. Maybe I was thinking of the acting of the other people?
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on July 06, 2010, 09:49:31 PM
What confused me most about License to Kill was that the scene with Felix Lieter being fed to the sharks was supposed to be in the book Live and Let Die and not with sharks but with alligators...

Oh dear, my nerdiness has come full circle
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on July 07, 2010, 12:17:53 AM
Really? The one thing I remember about License To Kill was the acting was atrocious and the script sucked. I could only sit through half of it. Maybe I was thinking of the acting of the other people?
Well keep in mind that I'm only saying it was better than QoS. Dalton and Craig were still great in their respective films, but both of those movies are fairly weak. LTK had some good moments to contrast the bad ones, while QoS had far fewer highlights.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: orcus116 on July 07, 2010, 08:02:09 AM
I thought the editing of QoS was horrible though no one else seems to. Some scene cuts were so badly paced and executed. We all agree it wasn't a very good movie, though.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on July 07, 2010, 02:37:22 PM
I thought the editing of QoS was horrible though no one else seems to. Some scene cuts were so badly paced and executed. We all agree it wasn't a very good movie, though.

Agreed :tdwn
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: pogoowner on July 07, 2010, 05:10:04 PM
I thought the editing of QoS was horrible though no one else seems to. Some scene cuts were so badly paced and executed. We all agree it wasn't a very good movie, though.
I mainly hated the Bourne-style action scenes where you can't even see anything.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on July 08, 2010, 08:30:58 PM
I thought the editing of QoS was horrible though no one else seems to. Some scene cuts were so badly paced and executed. We all agree it wasn't a very good movie, though.
I mainly hated the Bourne-style action scenes where you can't even see anything.
This was definitely one of the main problems. In most of the action scenes, you could barely tell what was happening.
The editing overall was indeed pretty poor.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Slain on July 08, 2010, 09:32:37 PM
I love Craig as bond, and Casino Royale, but QoS suffered severly from "Shitty American Editing Syndrome" (See, A-Team) My favorite bonds are easily Connery and Craig, though.
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Post by: LCArenas on July 08, 2010, 10:07:36 PM
James Bond with Pierce Brosnan was a huge part of my childhood. I love James Bond movies.
This. Maybe it's because I'm too young, but when someone names 007 I instantly think about Brosnan in Tomorrow Never Dies.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: El Barto on July 08, 2010, 10:27:10 PM
Catching up:

Lazenby was a great Bond in a poorly done film.  He got a raw deal, IMO.  Somebody mentioned the bobsled chase, which is one of the bigger problems I have with it.  Blofeld is not an action guy.  He's an evil genius and blasting down the mountain in a running gun battle diminished him. 

Thunderball was the weakest of the Connery films.  The underwater sequences just dragged on.

The first half of Casino Royale was unbearable.  The second half was real good as they'd gotten most of the action hero nonsense out of the way. 

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on July 09, 2010, 03:35:23 AM


Lazenby was a great Bond in a poorly done film. 



I will sadly disagree with you on Lazenby. He was a model, not an actor, IMO. His portrayal as Bond was forced, awkward at points and felt too much like a stuck up Brit rather than a suave, seductive Brit. Actually, I would say the Vice Versa, cause the movie had a thicker plotline than most and really brought out Bond's emotional side (ie: the marriage bit)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Volk9 on July 10, 2010, 01:18:58 PM
Christopher Nolan wants to direct James Bond

https://www.movieline.com/2010/07/christopher-nolan-wants-to-direct-james-bond.php
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on July 10, 2010, 03:26:30 PM
I think at least potentially, Nolan directing a bond film starring Craig could be a perfect fit.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on July 11, 2010, 07:50:48 PM
I would definitely see a Nolan-directed Bond film  :corn
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Post by: Nic35 on July 11, 2010, 07:52:09 PM
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Post by: AcidLameLTE on January 11, 2011, 04:49:59 PM
MGM green lights next Bond film:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-12168421

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A new James Bond film has been given the go-ahead and is due to be released on 9 November 2012, film studio MGM and EON Productions have announced.

Producers Michael Wilson and Barbara Broccoli and MGM said the 23rd Bond would go into production in late 2011.

The latest 007 adventure, starring Daniel Craig for the third time, will be directed by Oscar winner Sam Mendes.

The franchise had been on hold amid financial troubles, with MGM filing for bankruptcy protection last November.

A rescue deal and restructuring plan put US firm Spyglass Entertainment at the helm of MGM, which had struggled due to several box office flops and a DVD sales slump.

Work on the 23rd film was suspended in April 2010 because of uncertainty over the company's future.

James Bond is one of the longest running franchises in film history.

Its return marks a four-year hiatus for Bond since his last adventure, 2008's Quantum of Solace.

Daniel Craig - who made his Bond debut in Casino Royale in 2006 - is the sixth actor to play the British secret agent on the big screen, after Sean Connery, George Lazenby, Roger Moore, Timothy Dalton and Pierce Brosnan.

His first outing, in Casino Royale, was the most successful instalment in the franchise's 48-year history, taking $594m (£385m) at the global box office.

The latest Bond screenplay has been written by Neal Purvis, Robert Wade and John Logan.

:caffeine:
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: XJDenton on January 11, 2011, 05:05:43 PM
Sam Mendes?

That'll do. :D
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on January 11, 2011, 08:33:17 PM
Sam Mendes is definitely an interesting choice to direct. This could be a very good thing.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Volk9 on January 11, 2011, 09:29:58 PM
Just watched QoS a few days ago for the second time (1st in theaters). Definately didnt hate it as much as I did when I first saw. Probably due to me expecting it to top CR.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: pogoowner on January 11, 2011, 10:10:47 PM
QoS was pretty disappointing (aside from getting to look at Olga Kurylenko), but if the next one is even close to measuring up to Casino Royale, I'll be happy. Casino Royale was the best Bond movie in a very, very long time.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: DarkEternalNight on January 11, 2011, 11:26:18 PM
Was anyone else terrified by Jaws as a kid?
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on January 11, 2011, 11:38:04 PM
I still don't know how they fucked up so badly with QoS. I mean, Casino Royale was a huge critical and commercial success as far as the franchise goes. So naturally, they abandoned many of the key elements that made Casino Royale good.
They even set themselves up extremely well in CR, and still managed to fuck it all up.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: orcus116 on January 12, 2011, 12:42:48 AM
Bad editing was the big killer. The story wasn't too great either, though.
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Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on January 12, 2011, 04:04:43 AM
The biggest problem is that there is no other Bond film that acts as a sequel. Sure, in some of the movies there are references to past events (ie: death of his wife), but never were any of them seen as pt. 2 or a sequel to another movie. That's the biggest problem with QoS. IMHO.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Vivace on January 12, 2011, 10:00:50 AM
They are all good in their own way but I do prefer the Moore/Dalton/Brosnon years over the Connery/Craig years.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on January 12, 2011, 10:37:35 AM
One of the problems with the story in QoS is that, as a sequel, it should have been very heavily centered around Bond getting revenge for Vesper's death. Instead, it almost feels like they kept forgetting about that.
Instead, he has to go... stop some guy from raising utility rates in a South American country...

What makes it even worse; In the film, the villain is going to double the price of water. In real life, there was a company that tripled the price of water down there. So a Bond villain was less evil than some random utility company.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on January 12, 2011, 10:51:32 AM
It’s not an axiom, but I tend to feel the overall quality of a Bond film hinges greatly on the quality of the villain. Which can be said of a lot most stories: The better the villain, the more heroic the hero comes across. Superman without Lex Luthor and General Zod is just a guy in a cape helping old ladies get their cats out of trees. It seems like of late, they’ve struggled to come up with villains worthy of the Bond universe. Not that they have always been great. But when I think of Auric Goldfinger or Francisco Scaramanga, I can’t even remember the names of the last couple villains.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: DarkEternalNight on January 12, 2011, 11:58:46 AM
Renard was a fantastic villian.
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Post by: Sigz on January 12, 2011, 12:00:32 PM
I really don't understand the criticisms of the editing in QoS. I feel like I was watching a different movie from everyone else or something.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: orcus116 on January 12, 2011, 12:06:28 PM
My grips were not from the Bourne-like cuts but the storytelling aspect. Scenes would show one thing then jump to a completely different thing and you have to assume what happened. I know movies that do that kind of stuff well but it was done very haphazardly.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: YtseBitsySpider on January 12, 2011, 12:08:24 PM
I have begun playing Golden Eye Wii online.
I have died in some truly spectacular ways.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: pogoowner on January 12, 2011, 12:17:08 PM
My grips were not from the Bourne-like cuts but the storytelling aspect. Scenes would show one thing then jump to a completely different thing and you have to assume what happened. I know movies that do that kind of stuff well but it was done very haphazardly.
My gripes are with both of those things. You can't see a damn thing in the action scenes.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: orcus116 on January 12, 2011, 12:19:41 PM
The worst offender was one of the very last scene when he drops the bad guy off in the desert. I forget the exact setup but it was like they were in the car, he lets the guy out, says something that leads up to some big thing, then the next thing you see is him driving back to pick up the chick. There were several different options of what could've happened but the movie played it off like "eh this was your bad guy but whatever".
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Volk9 on January 12, 2011, 01:30:02 PM
My grips were not from the Bourne-like cuts but the storytelling aspect. Scenes would show one thing then jump to a completely different thing and you have to assume what happened. I know movies that do that kind of stuff well but it was done very haphazardly.
My gripes are with both of those things. You can't see a damn thing in the action scenes.

I hear everyone complaining about the action scenes in QoS, but the only scene where it was confusing (imo) was the opening car chase. Besides that, everything else was pretty clear cut from what I could tell.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ddtonfire on January 12, 2011, 04:36:35 PM
I think Timothy Dalton is a most underrated Bond. It's a shame he was only in two films.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on January 12, 2011, 08:32:24 PM
I think Timothy Dalton is a most underrated Bond. It's a shame he was only in two films.
I definitely agree. He was fantastic in the role, but had the misfortune of getting weak scripts. The Living Daylights, which actually turned out quite well considering, was mostly written before they had cast Dalton, and License To Kill was written to cash in by emulating the kind of action films that were popular at the time.
Then, finally, they wrote Goldeneye for him, but MGM had some financial troubles, the film was delayed, and Dalton decided to move on.

He did a fantastic job considering the material he was given to work with.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Vivace on January 13, 2011, 06:41:17 AM
For those who do not know, MGM has finally got the green light to make Bond 23. Craig is to return. I don't know if they have any other confirmed casting since you honestly cannot be too certain however I'm thinking Dench will definitely return as you can tell she has fun with the role even though it is literally a fraction of the percent of the talent she possesses. Would love to see Jeffery Wright again. I'm not a big fan of this newer reincarnation of Bond but cannot seem to pull away from it.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on January 13, 2011, 06:59:10 AM
Looking forward to the next Bond-movie, i like Craig as Bond.  :tup
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: inoku on January 13, 2011, 07:22:44 AM
Looking forward to the next Bond-movie, i like Craig as Bond.  :tup

same here, although quantum of solace was quite disappointing.
casino royale was amazing.  :tup
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: AcidLameLTE on January 13, 2011, 10:34:21 AM
For those who do not know, MGM has finally got the green light to make Bond 23. Craig is to return. I don't know if they have any other confirmed casting since you honestly cannot be too certain however I'm thinking Dench will definitely return as you can tell she has fun with the role even though it is literally a fraction of the percent of the talent she possesses. Would love to see Jeffery Wright again. I'm not a big fan of this newer reincarnation of Bond but cannot seem to pull away from it.
I posted a link about it on the previous page :P

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=11105.msg738079#msg738079
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zydar on January 13, 2011, 10:56:27 AM
They're showing You Only Live Twice on TV tonight here. I don't think I've seen it before.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on January 13, 2011, 11:23:38 AM
I know Quantum of Solace got a lot of complaints, but i don't really have a problem with it.
Sure, i probably prefer Casino Royale over it, but i still thought it was enjoyable. :P
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Vivace on January 13, 2011, 12:27:14 PM
For those who do not know, MGM has finally got the green light to make Bond 23. Craig is to return. I don't know if they have any other confirmed casting since you honestly cannot be too certain however I'm thinking Dench will definitely return as you can tell she has fun with the role even though it is literally a fraction of the percent of the talent she possesses. Would love to see Jeffery Wright again. I'm not a big fan of this newer reincarnation of Bond but cannot seem to pull away from it.
I posted a link about it on the previous page :P

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=11105.msg738079#msg738079

Me no read so good.  :coolio
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Vivace on January 13, 2011, 12:28:04 PM
They're showing You Only Live Twice on TV tonight here. I don't think I've seen it before.

I would go so far to say it is the weakest of the Connery movies as I did like Thunderball better.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on January 13, 2011, 01:07:39 PM
They're showing You Only Live Twice on TV tonight here. I don't think I've seen it before.

I would go so far to say it is the weakest of the Connery movies as I did like Thunderball better.
I'd personally rank it above Thunderball and Diamonds Are Forever, though I'm very aware that most people would rank Thunderball higher.
Certainly worth seeing at least once.

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I know Quantum of Solace got a lot of complaints, but i don't really have a problem with it.
Sure, i probably prefer Casino Royale over it, but i still thought it was enjoyable.
I will say, at least in my opinion, in spite of all of its problems, it's still better than Die Another Day.
Man Die Another Day was horrible.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Vivace on January 13, 2011, 02:12:49 PM
Sure, i probably prefer Casino Royale over it, but i still thought it was enjoyable.
I will say, at least in my opinion, in spite of all of its problems, it's still better than Die Another Day.
Man Die Another Day was horrible.
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One of my biggest complains in Die Another Day (boy can anyone come up a lot with that movie) is the beginning. If you are going to get Bond captured by the North Korean army do yourself a favor and 1) do not invent teleportation as your only means of getting your army to Bond and 2) do not just change the rules of the Demilitarized Zone so you can get your army to Bond. When it comes to the first point, if I'm not mistaken Bond and the bad guy entered the DMZ about 2 or 3 minutes AFTER the General said he'd be there in 5 minutes. If we assume the hovercrafts Bond and Villain use were travelling just as fast as the trucks (which is not impossible to believe) it is impossible for the NK army to have reached Bond seconds after the villain goes over the cliff. They would have realistically been minutes behind him.

But nitpicking that detail is irrelevant when you realize that an entire North Korean squad just went a couple miles INTO the DMZ!!! What....the...fuck?!?! Thanks to that suicidal General the North Korean Army has just magically learned how to avoid the mines and march their army across the DMZ. So much for the Villain's idea of using hovercraft.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Sigz on January 13, 2011, 02:22:26 PM
Well, that and the whole windsurfing-away-from-a-space-laser-on-a-jetcar-windshield part.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 13, 2011, 03:08:31 PM
I'm the biggest Bond fan in the world, and somehow late to this thread. To catch up, I've read every post on it lol. To recap:

- Lazenby was a horrible actor in a great film.
- Quantum sucked because of the noob director, and competition to the Bourne films
- Dalton kicks ass, shame what happened to his time as 007
- Quantum makes Moonraker look like Goldfinger

My Top 5 Bond films (in no particular order):

The Spy Who Loved Me
Casino Royale
The Living Daylights
Thunderball
The World Is Not Enough

.....and here's to a great 23rd film!!!  :tup
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: RuRoRul on January 13, 2011, 03:20:29 PM
Looks like I've got the common opinion that Casino Royale was amazing and Quantum Of Solace wasn't (though I don't know if I hated it like some people seem to, I just thought it was boring).

Haven't seen any of the original Bonds since I was young and had them all on video though  :sad:
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on January 13, 2011, 05:43:00 PM
Quantum makes Moonraker look like Goldfinger

Quote of the day for me!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: orcus116 on January 13, 2011, 05:45:10 PM
People really liked Dalton? I distinctly remember watching License To Kill and thinking to myself how bad the acting was from everyone. I couldn't even finish the movie.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Vivace on January 13, 2011, 07:13:13 PM
If I were to list my top 5 I would list the following

Goldfinger
From Russia With Love
For Your Eyes Only
Goldeneye
The Spy Who Loved Me.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on January 13, 2011, 07:33:45 PM
People really liked Dalton? I distinctly remember watching License To Kill and thinking to myself how bad the acting was from everyone. I couldn't even finish the movie.
License To Kill had a fairly weak script, but Dalton was good in it. He's basically the entire reason LTK is watchable, and why The Living Daylights turned out pretty well.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Vivace on January 13, 2011, 07:46:23 PM
I didn't find the script to License to Kill weak in the least, in fact I found it quite neat. It was a different fare than the previous Bond films but Maibaum was on a roll from For Your Eyes Only with the exception of View to a Kill (which was just utterly boring. Good idea but just boring) If I could list Bond movies with weak scripts I would list the following

Moonraker (Yet I still loved it)
Live and Let Die (albeit still a good movie)
The Man with the Golden Gun (same as above)
Die Another Day (Good sword fighting scene though)
Quantum of Solace


Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MykeHavoc on January 13, 2011, 08:05:21 PM
You forgot Diamonds are Forever. Fucking piece of garbage.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: emindead on January 13, 2011, 09:00:37 PM
I really don't understand the criticisms of the editing in QoS. I feel like I was watching a different movie from everyone else or something.
I was at a friend's house and he wanted to see for the first time QoS. Before the movie started I said "Too bad the editing is unbereable". He wanted to kill me for pointing that out, lol. Every shot in the opening sequence cuts every 0.5 secs.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Volk9 on January 13, 2011, 09:10:08 PM
I really don't understand the criticisms of the editing in QoS. I feel like I was watching a different movie from everyone else or something.
I was at a friend's house and he wanted to see for the first time QoS. Before the movie started I said "Too bad the editing is unbereable". He wanted to kill me for pointing that out, lol. Every shot in the opening sequence cuts every 0.5 secs.

The opening sequence is terribly edited, but thats the only scene thats bothersome as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ddtonfire on January 13, 2011, 09:25:31 PM
QoS had a really great scene where Bond and Greene run into each other, face to face, after the opera, the sound goes mute and then a desperate escape/fight occurs, paralleling the events in Tosca. The music takes precedence over the sound of the chase and the everything happens in slo-mo, only amplifying the frenzy. The whole sequence had me on the edge the whole time, every time I watch it. Beauty and brilliance!!!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Vivace on January 14, 2011, 04:17:28 PM
You forgot Diamonds are Forever. Fucking piece of garbage.

You are right. The screenplay for that one is just as bad. It's an enjoyable movie nonetheless and is literally a target zone of Austin Power's jokes, but yes, this screenplay is pretty bad as well.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: orcus116 on January 14, 2011, 11:43:00 PM
The book isn't really all that interesting either.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Ħ on January 15, 2011, 12:20:18 AM
seen almost all the bonds....

In my opinion, SC was the best Bond personality, but PB has the best Bond look.

Fave movie is FRWL
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: AcidLameLTE on November 25, 2011, 09:03:34 AM
So, we have a new Q:

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0924210/

Edit: I guess I should include a source on that:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-15889689
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MykeHavoc on November 25, 2011, 10:26:09 AM
So, we have a new Q:

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0924210/

Edit: I guess I should include a source on that:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-15889689

wtf? Just bring back Cleese. He was the best part of Die Another Day. Perfect replacement for Desmond.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: El Barto on November 25, 2011, 10:45:15 AM
Teleportation?  Really?

Never saw QoS,  but I really didn't like CR, and everything I've heard is that QoS was even worse with the pointless action sequences.

Quite frankly,  the entire franchise jumped the shark with Moonraker, and everything thereafter has been passable, at best.  Goldeneye probably topped them after that,  and even that wasn't really what I want to see in a Bond movie. 

- Lazenby was a horrible actor in a great film.
I thought precisely the opposite.  I was real cool with Lazenby,  I just didn't like the movie. 



edit: it just occurred to me that FYEO came after Moonraker.  That's one of my very favorite Bond movies,  so I guess the shark jumping isn't exactly accurate.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on November 25, 2011, 11:27:35 AM
Quite frankly,  the entire franchise jumped the shark with Moonraker, and everything thereafter has been passable, at best.  Goldeneye probably topped them after that,  and even that wasn't really what I want to see in a Bond movie. 

edit: it just occurred to me that FYEO came after Moonraker.  That's one of my very favorite Bond movies,  so I guess the shark jumping isn't exactly accurate.

Was about to chime in about FYEO, as that is a great Bond film. Wasn’t that supposed to be before Moonraker, but they released it earlier to cash in on the SW/ST/CEot3K outer space box office blitz?

I really liked Goldeneye, I thought it nicely addressed the post-Cold War themes. Casting Judi Dench as M was a flash of genius.

I haven’t cared for the Craig films, though he shines in the role.

- Lazenby was a horrible actor in a great film.

I thought precisely the opposite.  I was real cool with Lazenby,  I just didn't like the movie. 

I agree too. I honestly couldn’t recall one interesting thing/scene from that movie, it made that little impression on me.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MasterShakezula on November 25, 2011, 11:29:01 AM
I've never seen Octopussy, but may want to see it.

Is it as awesome as its title would imply? 
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Bongasti on November 25, 2011, 11:33:28 AM
No. The worst Bond movie I've seen.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: El Barto on November 25, 2011, 11:50:28 AM

- Lazenby was a horrible actor in a great film.

I thought precisely the opposite.  I was real cool with Lazenby,  I just didn't like the movie. 

I agree too. I honestly couldn’t recall one interesting thing/scene from that movie, it made that little impression on me.
Aside from the whole Bond getting married bit,  which was woefully out of character,  I really didn't like the way they portrayed Blofeld.  I dug Telly Savalas in the role. I just didn't like him as an action guy.  Blofeld should be sitting in front of a screen holding his cat, not blasting down the mountain in a skiing gun battle. 
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MykeHavoc on November 25, 2011, 01:41:38 PM
Octopussy is fine. Even the worst Bond films are entertaining.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 25, 2011, 02:29:27 PM
Octopussy is fine. Even the worst Bond films are entertaining.

This.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on November 25, 2011, 02:31:38 PM
Octopussy is fine. Even the worst Bond films are entertaining.
For the most part, I agree. Even Moonraker is kind of fun. Incredibly stupid, but fun.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TempusVox on November 25, 2011, 03:03:45 PM
About 6 years ago I sat next to Richard Kiel on a flight from of all places Fresno to Chicago (apparently he lives pretty close to Fresno). I didn't want to bother him, but he mentioned that security was actually a pretty smooth experience; so after we exchanged small talk, I took the opportunity to stick out my hand and say "Let me say Mr. Kiel, it's a real pleasure to meet you." We chatted nearly the entire flight. He was really impressed that I knew his name. He said almost everyone he meets looks at him and says either "Wow! It's Jaws!" Or, "You're the guy with those teeth!" Or, he said most young people recognize him from Happy Gilmore. :lol I told him "I'll be honest with you. When I saw you at the gate what I thought of was, "I broke his freakin' neck!" (in reference to his infamous line from "The Longest Yard"). He laughed his ass off. I said his character "Samson" obviously had a bigger impact on my pop-culture psyche than "Jaws" did.  :lol
 He was a really cool guy. He said he has really bad acrophobia. So much so that he has to medicate himself before he gets on a plane, and he thanked me for talking with him because it helped take his mind off of his fear for the most part. That made me a little nervous actually. The guy is freaking massive. I kept thinking, if he loses his shit somewhere over Nebraska, I'm a dead man!  :lol
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 25, 2011, 03:48:20 PM
Dude, that's fuckin awesome! I'd love to talk to him.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MykeHavoc on November 25, 2011, 05:09:27 PM
About 6 years ago I sat next to Richard Kiel on a flight from of all places Fresno to Chicago (apparently he lives pretty close to Fresno). I didn't want to bother him, but he mentioned that security was actually a pretty smooth experience; so after we exchanged small talk, I took the opportunity to stick out my hand and say "Let me say Mr. Kiel, it's a real pleasure to meet you." We chatted nearly the entire flight. He was really impressed that I knew his name. He said almost everyone he meets looks at him and says either "Wow! It's Jaws!" Or, "You're the guy with those teeth!" Or, he said most young people recognize him from Happy Gilmore. :lol I told him "I'll be honest with you. When I saw you at the gate what I thought of was, "I broke his freakin' neck!" (in reference to his infamous line from "The Longest Yard"). He laughed his ass off. I said his character "Samson" obviously had a bigger impact on my pop-culture psyche than "Jaws" did.  :lol
 He was a really cool guy. He said he has really bad acrophobia. So much so that he has to medicate himself before he gets on a plane, and he thanked me for talking with him because it helped take his mind off of his fear for the most part. That made me a little nervous actually. The guy is freaking massive. I kept thinking, if he loses his shit somewhere over Nebraska, I'm a dead man!  :lol

Fucking amazing. I'd kill for an experience like that.


As I had mentioned in the black friday thread, in regard to Bond on blu-ray, I had bought For Your Eyes Only and Quantum of Solace a few months back. This week I grabbed the Dr. No/Live and Let Die/Die Another Day 3-pack, Thunderball, Man with the Golden Gun, The World is Not Enough and Casino Royale. My grandmother just let me order From Russia With Love, Goldfinger, Moonraker and Licence to Kill as a gift. That's completes the series (so far available) for me...aside from Never Say Never Again (which technically doesn't count). But I own the dvd and will wait on that. I actually had only completed my dvd collection in the summer, after only having the volume 1 collection for the last ten years. Bond has gotten quite a bit of my money this year :P
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on May 01, 2012, 01:01:35 AM
Time to revamp this thread!

FtBD7 and I are starting the James Bond marathon all over again. We started by watching Dr. No and From Russia With Love. It was awesome.
This marathon truly never gets old.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MykeHavoc on May 01, 2012, 09:09:11 AM
I'm waiting to rewatch them till the Fall in anticipation for Skyfall.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The King in Crimson on May 01, 2012, 11:31:43 PM
I watched QoS again a few weeks ago and the editing did not bother me as much this time.

Not the best story, but I think it's unfairly maligned in some circles.  Hopefully the next movie is more of a return to form.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: zerogravityfat on May 02, 2012, 08:14:18 AM
Bond is hanging out at my favorite spot in Istanbul for the presser, i'm jealy.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on May 02, 2012, 12:07:38 PM
QoS *is* better the second time but it's still nowhere near as good as CasinoRoyale.

Martin Campbell directed my two favourite bonds. GoldenEye and Casino Royale.

He should have done QoS.

plus Martin Campbell only has hit movies when theyre bond.  :loser:
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on May 02, 2012, 12:51:42 PM
Agreed both that QoS is better on the second viewing, and that Casino Royale is still far better than it.
Fortunately, it sounds like Sam Mendes is going in the right direction with Skyfall.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: pogoowner on May 02, 2012, 04:41:07 PM
Aside from the Heineken nonsense, I'm excited for Skyfall. And no, I don't actually care that much. I realize they need money to make the movie.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: AcidLameLTE on May 21, 2012, 11:11:33 AM
First Skyfall teaser/trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xJ4dAY3DW4c
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 21, 2012, 11:14:26 AM
That trailer did nothing for me. It could have been a trailer for any other action movie, it didn't even feel like Bond.

But I'll probably go and see it anyway just because it's James Bond.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 21, 2012, 11:43:55 AM
The trailer didn't offer enough for me to make judgement call at this point, but I definitely will go and see it.

    Still haven't even seen QOS though.   I missed it in theaters, and because of the response I never got around to seeing it.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on May 21, 2012, 11:43:57 AM
It could have been a trailer for any other action movie, it didn't even feel like Bond.

For me it hasn't felt like Bond in a while. This might be the first Bond movie I haven't seen in the theaters since I was old enough to go to the movies without my parents.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 12, 2012, 07:44:09 PM
So, after years of putting it off, I finally watched Quantum of Solace. I always heard such horrible things, so I put it off, but I actually really liked it. It was like 2 hour non-stop action scene, which I can get down with.

I also enjoyed the subtle throwbacks such as the goldfinger nod with the girl covered in oil on the bed and The spy who loved me nod with the guy on the roof that falls to his death trying to hold 007's tie.

my only real nit pick is the main villain blew so hard. He came off as a weak, non-threatening wuss. Le Chef was interesting, but Greene was just awful. And the theme song was pretty bad as well.

Overall a cool movie, but Goldeneye will always be my favorite.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 08, 2012, 12:21:27 PM
Alright, let's get this thread going again! We're a month and a day away from the release of Skyfall and I wanna begin the countdown by simply posting a link to the film's official theme song, which I think is in the top 5 Bond theme songs.....just amazing!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HKoqNJtMTQ
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on October 08, 2012, 01:28:21 PM
Wow, that the first bond theme I've really genuinely enjoyed since Tomorrow Never dies. Adele's voice is perfectly suited for it and I'm getting a Goldfinger, Goldeneye vibe. Very powerful and passionate, but subtle at the same time.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Scorpion on October 08, 2012, 01:58:54 PM
Amazing. I'm no Adele fan, but this song is great, and I can really see it working well in context of a Bond movie.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: PuffyPat on October 08, 2012, 02:52:46 PM
If Argo wasn't comming out, Skyfall would undoubtedly be the movie I was most looking forward to. That being said, I can't fucking wait for this movie. It's looks so good.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Dark Castle on October 08, 2012, 03:01:17 PM
Amazing. I'm no Adele fan, but this song is great, and I can really see it working well in context of a Bond movie.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on October 08, 2012, 03:05:03 PM
Really excited about the new movie. Craig is probably my favorite Bond, and I am excited.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: pogoowner on October 08, 2012, 06:56:22 PM
It doesn't top Chris Cornell's theme, but it's not bad. I think they tried a little too hard to make it sound like a stereotypical Bond song.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 08, 2012, 09:55:03 PM
It doesn't top Chris Cornell's theme, but it's not bad. I think they tried a little too hard to make it sound like a stereotypical Bond song.

These are my thoughts. It's just the usual run of the mill cliche Bond theme. Not a fan of her voice either. It's a lot better than the QoS one, but it's pretty average. You Know My Name is the best recent one, because it sounds like Bond without trying too hard.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on December 20, 2012, 11:05:34 AM
I recently purchased the Bond 50 set, and it's awesome!

If I were to rank the Bond films I've seen:

1. Skyfall
2. Goldfinger
3. Goldeneye
4. The Man with the Golden Gun
5. Casino Royale
6. Dr. No
7. The Living Daylights
8. The World is Not Enough
9. Quantum of Solace
10. Die Another Day

I know I'm missing out on some of the classics, but my plan is to save some of the best for last. Skyfall at number 1 probably isn't much of a surprise, and I thought maybe I liked it so much because I just saw it in theaters and that feeling of watching a movie in theaters. However, it stuck with me, and I found it to be the most dramatic Bond yet. It was brilliant.

Quantum of Solace, I haven't seen since it was in theaters, and same with Die Another Day, so I'll rewatch those ASAP.

And yes, The Man with the Golden Gun is up there. That movie fucking owns, but it seems to get a lot of hate. Why??  :hat
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 20, 2012, 11:49:53 AM
I recently purchased the Bond 50 set, and it's awesome!

If I were to rank the Bond films I've seen:

1. Skyfall
2. Goldfinger
3. Goldeneye
4. The Man with the Golden Gun
5. Casino Royale
6. Dr. No
7. The Living Daylights
8. The World is Not Enough
9. Quantum of Solace
10. Die Another Day

I know I'm missing out on some of the classics, but my plan is to save some of the best for last. Skyfall at number 1 probably isn't much of a surprise, and I thought maybe I liked it so much because I just saw it in theaters and that feeling of watching a movie in theaters. However, it stuck with me, and I found it to be the most dramatic Bond yet. It was brilliant.

Quantum of Solace, I haven't seen since it was in theaters, and same with Die Another Day, so I'll rewatch those ASAP.

And yes, The Man with the Golden Gun is up there. That movie fucking owns, but it seems to get a lot of hate. Why??  :hat

I know everyone has their opinions, which is awesome, but my god Quantum is the absolute worst Bond film.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: jammindude on December 20, 2012, 12:18:46 PM
I'm going through them in order, and I just got done seeing OHMSS for the first time ever.   Ironically enough, that's actually a pretty good movie/story...the only real weak point is Bond himself.   And I don't think it was Lazenby's fault...I think his dialog was written poorly, and in addition, I just don't think Lazenby was into it.

Diana Rigg was incredible, Telly Savalas did his job fantastic.  The story itself was intriguing...the only thing missing was Bond. 

To be fair, I'm not sure Connery would have been a heck of a lot better in that time/place...because Connery wasn't really into the character anymore either...and I felt it showed on You Only Live Twice.   It was good...but after the first four (which are all classic) YOLT was starting to feel a bit like a caricature.

Looking forward to DAF though...just because I always thought Mr. Wint and Mr. Kidd were both very comical, and yet very creepy.  Probably some nostalgia talking there.

After that, I get to rewatch the Moore movies...which are just SO hit and miss with me.   I remember liking FYEO quite a bit...but mostly despising the rest.  LALD is a Bond "blaxsploitation" film and just comes across as stupid.  MWTGG is underrated but forgettable.  (it's not as bad as everyone says it is...but it's just OK).   And to tell you the truth, I don't remember a single thing about Octopussy, because I havn't seen it since I saw it in the theater when it was first released....so that will be practically like seeing it for the first time again.      Beyond the Moore films... I've never seen DAD, but I heard that I'm not missing much.  I've also never seen QoS, so I'm reserving judgment on that one.

The ones I'm *really* looking forward to are the Timothy Dalton films, which are among my personal faves....and definitely the most underrated movies of the entire series...and Dalton is seriously the most underrated Bond. 

The ones I'm seriously dreading (but I'm a complete-ist, so I'll watch them anyway) are the aforementioned LALD, and of course the worst of them all...(shudder)..Moonraker.   
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: jammindude on December 20, 2012, 12:24:38 PM
....and I always used to hold up Thunderball as my favorite.  But I didn't like it as well this time around.   So far on this viewing, the one that has *really* stuck out at me as having all the pieces in place, was From Russia With Love. 
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on December 20, 2012, 12:31:55 PM
I know everyone has their opinions, which is awesome, but my god Quantum is the absolute worst Bond film.
It really isn't.
I will probably never understand why some people hate QoS so much. Sure, it's definitely the weakest of the Craig films so far, and probably around the middle of the pack overall, but worst in the series? No. Not even close.

My opinion of the film has actually improved a bit each time I've seen it. Seeing it in theaters the first time, it was okay, but a bit underwhelming after Casino Royale. Seeing it again, knowing what the villain's plan was, it was actually more enjoyable than the first time. Yes, there are problems with it (largely due to the writers strike at the time), and some of the editing choices are less than stellar (overly frantic action scene editing, over the top location cards). Overall, it's a decent action film with some good moments, and good performances from most of the main cast. Craig's performance alone elevates it above some other Bond films.

If someone actually claims that it's worse than Die Another Day or Diamonds Are Forever, they haven't seen at least one of the films in question.

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The ones I'm *really* looking forward to are the Timothy Dalton films, which are among my personal faves....and definitely the most underrated movies of the entire series...and Dalton is seriously the most underrated Bond.
This I definitely agree with. Dalton is a fantastic Bond, and it's a shame that he didn't get to do a third film.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on December 20, 2012, 12:57:29 PM
....and I always used to hold up Thunderball as my favorite.  But I didn't like it as well this time around.   So far on this viewing, the one that has *really* stuck out at me as having all the pieces in place, was From Russia With Love.
Personally, I've never been a fan of Thunderball. I've tried again and again to like it, but it has never clicked with me.
Dr No, From Russia With Love, and Goldfinger are all fantastic (FRWL especially), and You Only Live Twice is a bit sillier, but still fun.

The pacing and editing just feel very mechanical for the most part. In the first three films, scenes play out in a way where you don't really think about the editing. In Thunderball, there are a lot of scenes where it feels like they had a checklist of things they needed to get through, and just rushed through them to get through some exposition/plot development and get on to the next thing. A lot of the dialog delivery feels like they taped a rehearsal, with the actors rushing through their lines, and just reading instead of acting, to make sure they had their dialog down. In half of the scenes (including a lot of shorter ones that almost felt like afterthoughts), the edit will almost cut off a character's dialog as it transitions to the next scene.

The theft of the nuclear missiles is far too drawn out (I'm willing to acknowledge that it was probably more interesting to watch back in 1965). That whole sequence could have been about half as long without losing anything. The whole bit with Bond at the health clinic goes on far too long as well. None of it is as amusing or thrilling as it was probably supposed to be. The underwater 'action' sequences are dull rather than exciting, and just drag and drag. Again, I get that it was a new idea in 1965, but it's just sleep inducing to sit through now (and again, I greatly enjoyed Connery's first three Bond films). Other action sequences, including the final confrontation with Largo, are completely ruined by the terrible looking sped up film. It drains any tension or energy right out of the sequence.

They introduce a ton of characters, and then proceed to develop almost none of them. At all. The henchmen have names and... well, that's about it really. Extremely forgettable. Fiona Volpe is the only villain in the film who is at all interesting. Connery also seems a lot less engaged in the role.

Anyway, just my two cents on it. Again, Connery's first three are classics, and still enjoyable to watch today. It's just a shame that there were so many missteps with Thunderball.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: jammindude on December 20, 2012, 01:07:28 PM
Also...in FRWL, I may have found my new favorite Bond girl.   GREAT GOOGLY MOOGLY!!!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on December 20, 2012, 01:59:19 PM
I know everyone has their opinions, which is awesome, but my god Quantum is the absolute worst Bond film.
It really isn't.
I will probably never understand why some people hate QoS so much. Sure, it's definitely the weakest of the Craig films so far, and probably around the middle of the pack overall, but worst in the series? No. Not even close.

My opinion of the film has actually improved a bit each time I've seen it. Seeing it in theaters the first time, it was okay, but a bit underwhelming after Casino Royale. Seeing it again, knowing what the villain's plan was, it was actually more enjoyable than the first time. Yes, there are problems with it (largely due to the writers strike at the time), and some of the editing choices are less than stellar (overly frantic action scene editing, over the top location cards). Overall, it's a decent action film with some good moments, and good performances from most of the main cast. Craig's performance alone elevates it above some other Bond films.

If someone actually claims that it's worse than Die Another Day or Diamonds Are Forever, they haven't seen at least one of the films in question.

I can see what you mean, but for me with Quantum, it's Murphy's law.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on January 06, 2013, 05:08:02 PM
So I was thinking about running a James Bond survivor within the next few weeks if I can get enough people to participate. Anybody up for it?
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on January 06, 2013, 07:21:31 PM
Count me in.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on January 07, 2013, 12:00:27 AM
I'm in too.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Scorpion on January 07, 2013, 06:18:08 AM
Yup.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on January 09, 2013, 05:40:56 AM
I'm in as well.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 23, 2013, 04:49:54 PM
I must say this would be pretty awesome if it were happening:
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It is also rumored that all six Bonds - Sean Connery, George Lazenby, Roger Moore, Timothy Dalton, Pierce Brosnan and Daniel Craig – will appear together for the first time ever at the ceremony to mark the movie franchise’s 50 years.

https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/music/adele-confirmed-to-perform-skyfall-live-at-the-oscars-3362935.html
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: tapsmiled on January 23, 2013, 07:38:07 PM
I'm kinda stunned that there are so few reviews of Skyfall in this thread. I felt like the last 15 minutes if that movie were absolute bliss, and Bardem is one of the best Bond villains. The scene when he and Bond meet us among my favorite scenes ever in a Bond flick.

As far as QoS, it was really hampered by the writer's strike, and I think the studio was forced to release it in order to retain the rights.  It was okay, but CR was such a perfect movie that it was nearly impossible to meet expectations.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on January 23, 2013, 09:37:58 PM
I must say this would be pretty awesome if it were happening:
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It is also rumored that all six Bonds - Sean Connery, George Lazenby, Roger Moore, Timothy Dalton, Pierce Brosnan and Daniel Craig – will appear together for the first time ever at the ceremony to mark the movie franchise’s 50 years.

https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/music/adele-confirmed-to-perform-skyfall-live-at-the-oscars-3362935.html
It would be insanely cool if that actually ended up happening.

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I'm kinda stunned that there are so few reviews of Skyfall in this thread. I felt like the last 15 minutes if that movie were absolute bliss, and Bardem is one of the best Bond villains. The scene when he and Bond meet us among my favorite scenes ever in a Bond flick.

As far as QoS, it was really hampered by the writer's strike, and I think the studio was forced to release it in order to retain the rights.  It was okay, but CR was such a perfect movie that it was nearly impossible to meet expectations.
I absolutely loved Skyfall the first time I saw it, liked it even more the second time I went to see it, and my opinion of it has only gone up thinking about it since. It's easily one of the best films in the series. I can't wait for the BluRay to come out.

With QoS, there were no concerns with retaining rights, but a lot of things had been set in motion and a lot of money had been spent, so they had to forge on without the writers. While it did hurt the movie a bit, I feel that it only gets as bad a rap as it does because of the inevitable comparisons to Casino Royale (and now to Skyfall as well).


Also, I watched the first two seasons of Luther on Netflix over the past few days (British series, so that's only ten episodes in total). I really, really hope the rumors are true about Idris Elba being considered as the next James Bond. Yes, I want Craig to stick around for as long as he can; Elba would just also be amazing in the role.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on January 24, 2013, 07:44:34 AM
Idris Elba would be a cool James Bond.

He was one of the best things about Prometheus.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Ħ on January 25, 2013, 04:56:03 PM
Just took a Scottish shower cause I wanted to feel like Mr. Bond. Actually....I quite liked it. I think I'll take showers like that from now on.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: tapsmiled on January 25, 2013, 06:03:51 PM
I think Elba is a great actor, but I want the Bond character to stay as it was written and as it has been portrayed in every movie.  Some things are sacred.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on January 26, 2013, 09:59:29 PM
I think Elba is a great actor, but I want the Bond character to stay as it was written and as it has been portrayed in every movie.  Some things are sacred.
Roger Moore already gave us a version of Bond that was nothing like the written character personality wise.
For physical traits, Craig has blonde hair, which is unlike the written character.
As long as the actor is British or Irish, and right for the part acting wise, I don't see what the problem would be.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: tapsmiled on January 28, 2013, 01:55:47 PM
You make a good point, but it just doesn't work for me, regardless of much I like Elba.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on January 29, 2013, 07:34:44 PM
As long as it doesn't turn into OSS 117, I don't mind Elba. Hell, he has so much charisma behind him I might take a liking to him.

And hell, if they made Spider-man Hispanic, I think I can live with Elba.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 02, 2013, 01:44:15 AM
Awesome celebration of Bond:

SKYFALL: 50 years of Bond (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t10mNXtfdUw&list=LLWlwL6wXSyPU8fX2P4bvg8g)
I even had a little goosebump moment.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: GuineaPig on March 02, 2013, 10:01:26 AM
I think Elba is a great actor, but I want the Bond character to stay as it was written and as it has been portrayed in every movie.  Some things are sacred.
Roger Moore already gave us a version of Bond that was nothing like the written character personality wise.
For physical traits, Craig has blonde hair, which is unlike the written character.
As long as the actor is British or Irish, and right for the part acting wise, I don't see what the problem would be.

Lazenby was Australian.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The King in Crimson on March 02, 2013, 10:11:59 AM
I think Elba is a great actor, but I want the Bond character to stay as it was written and as it has been portrayed in every movie.  Some things are sacred.
Roger Moore already gave us a version of Bond that was nothing like the written character personality wise.
For physical traits, Craig has blonde hair, which is unlike the written character.
As long as the actor is British or Irish, and right for the part acting wise, I don't see what the problem would be.

Lazenby was Australian a British criminal.
FIFY :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 02, 2013, 03:42:47 PM
Awesome celebration of Bond:

SKYFALL: 50 years of Bond (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t10mNXtfdUw&list=LLWlwL6wXSyPU8fX2P4bvg8g)
I even had a little goosebump moment.

Fantastic.

 :'(
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Scorpion on March 02, 2013, 03:45:19 PM
Awesome celebration of Bond:

SKYFALL: 50 years of Bond (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t10mNXtfdUw&list=LLWlwL6wXSyPU8fX2P4bvg8g)
I even had a little goosebump moment.

That was amazing. The finish was godlike, and even though I've already said it more than often enough, I'll repeat: the Skyfall theme is one of the best bond themes ever and it fits the video soooooooooooo well.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 02, 2013, 03:46:50 PM
Just reminded me of growing up with bond movies.

i'm 35 this year and can remember it always being on tv or a new one coming out pretty much forever.

My Dad and I are massive Bond fans so it's a huge part of my life..

So yeah - I got a bit emotional hehe.  :blush


And yeah - Skyfall has the best Bond song in YEARS. * At least * since Goldeneye.

Casino Royale had a great theme tune. Quantum Of Solace was AWFUL. - That film was just bad on every level it seems.

Licence to Kill was an ok song. Don't remember what Living Daylights was.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 02, 2013, 04:11:44 PM
Awesome celebration of Bond:

SKYFALL: 50 years of Bond (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t10mNXtfdUw&list=LLWlwL6wXSyPU8fX2P4bvg8g)
I even had a little goosebump moment.

That was amazing. The finish was godlike, and even though I've already said it more than often enough, I'll repeat: the Skyfall theme is one of the best bond themes ever and it fits the video soooooooooooo well.
I'll have to agree on that, the funny thing is that it has more bond feel than any other theme in a long time and so has the movie. Both fresh and yet very traditional.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 02, 2013, 05:13:39 PM

That was amazing. The finish was godlike, and even though I've already said it more than often enough, I'll repeat: the Skyfall theme is one of the best bond themes ever and it fits the video soooooooooooo well.
I'll have to agree on that, the funny thing is that it has more bond feel than any other theme in a long time and so has the movie. Both fresh and yet very traditional.

Amen to that. I absolutely love the Skyfall theme and I haven't loved a theme like that since Goldeneye. 
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 27, 2015, 06:50:12 PM
SPECTRE Teaser trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvQJbF2CXLQ)

Looks to be a dark movie, like that very much.  :tup
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 27, 2015, 07:58:57 PM
 :hefdaddy :omg: This has potential.

Christoph Waltz as the main bad guy ? Yes please !
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on March 27, 2015, 10:10:54 PM
SPECTRE Teaser trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvQJbF2CXLQ)

Looks to be a dark movie, like that very much.  :tup

I LOVE how it's tying into all the previous Craig films too, with the references to Skyfall and having Mr. White make an appearance. :tup

It definitely has a darker edge to it visually than Skyfall, which is likely due to the switch of DPs from Roger Deakins to Hoyte van Hoytema. 
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on March 28, 2015, 01:05:20 AM
That trailer looks amazing. Really pumped for this one.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 28, 2015, 09:37:57 AM
Awesome celebration of Bond:

SKYFALL: 50 years of Bond (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t10mNXtfdUw&list=LLWlwL6wXSyPU8fX2P4bvg8g)
I even had a little goosebump moment.

That was amazing. The finish was godlike, and even though I've already said it more than often enough, I'll repeat: the Skyfall theme is one of the best bond themes ever and it fits the video soooooooooooo well.

The Skyfall theme is one of the better ones, but I think it's kinda overrated. It's not all that. A lot better than the travesty that was Quantum of Solace though.

The new trailer was too brief to excite me yet, but I like the guy playing the villian, and based on this I'm confident it's going to be great.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on March 28, 2015, 10:01:58 AM
The Skyfall theme is one of the better ones, but I think it's kinda overrated.

The Skyfall theme is indeed good, but when combined with the imagery of the Skyfall intro it becomes truly awesome.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 28, 2015, 10:07:30 AM
The Skyfall theme is one of the better ones, but I think it's kinda overrated.

The Skyfall theme is indeed good, but when combined with the imagery of the Skyfall intro it becomes truly awesome.

All of the intros since they rebooted it have been pretty awesome, and that one does work great as a whole. :tup

My personal favourite is the Casino Royale intro. It blew me away the first time I saw it, and I still love it and the unique style of it, and the way it fits with the music, which is my favourite Bond theme since the 1970s.

I don't know if it's coincidence that I think the worst Bond intro visually is also the one with the worst music, Die Another Day.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ozzy554 on March 28, 2015, 10:12:54 AM
I've been working my way through all the bond movies. I just watched Moonraker yesterday. I did not think it was as bad as people say it is. It's not even my least favorite Moore era bond so far. That Honor would go to The Man With The Golden Gun.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 28, 2015, 10:18:17 AM
I've been working my way through all the bond movies. I just watched Moonraker yesterday. I did not think it was as bad as people say it is. It's not even my least favorite Moore era bond so far. That Honor would go to The Man With The Golden Gun.

I maintain that Moonraker is a pretty good Bond movie until it turns into Star Wars. :lol
The Man With The Golden Gun is cool too. It's so awesomely '70s, with Christopher Lee teamed up with Tattoo for an evil plan involving solar power or something, and the iconic signature weapon. I love the theme too, with the fuzz guitar.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 28, 2015, 10:19:43 AM
I've been into Bond as long as I can remember. My dad is a big fan and we were both into
Moore's films. I don't dislike any of his films.

My favourite movie overall is Goldeneye and then Casino Royale a very close second.

Third might be A View To A Kill as it was my favourite growing up.

Or The Spy Who Loved Me.

Worst is easily Die Another Day.

Just terrible.

And QOS is a mis step but it's not awful.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on March 28, 2015, 11:09:05 AM
im in on it, I am a Bond fanatic. This new one looks promising. It could be something very special
.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 28, 2015, 04:36:43 PM
I'm an obsessive Bond fan too.

I am sooooo fucking pumped for Spectre.....the way it's shaping up, it may be one of, if not the best Bond film of the modern age. The amazing cast, the locations, the car....it's all falling into place.

I'm particularly happy that they're heading back to the alps. Snow sequences are my fav in Bond  :tup
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 28, 2015, 04:46:33 PM

I'm particularly happy that they're heading back to the alps. Snow sequences are my fav in Bond  :tup

Roger Moore snowboarding on a snowplough Sled FTW !!!!

One of my Dad's favourite Bond sequences ever.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: El Barto on March 28, 2015, 06:39:25 PM
So is Waltz supposed to be Blofeld? That would actually be pretty damned cool. I was always a big ESB fan and CW is certainly fun to watch.

Personally, I dropped out of the whole Bond thing after FYEO. Not because it turned me off, it was a great flick, but because what I saw afterward was never my interest. For a while it turned into mostly action stuff, which isn't what I want in a Bond flick. With Craig it seemed to go away from that somewhat (at least with Casino Royale) but it still didn't really do it for me. With a return to SPECTRE as the opposition I'd certainly be interested in this.

Actually glad to see this, in fact, as I just saw the trailer for MI:WTFEver and it left a sour taste in my mouth.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on March 29, 2015, 03:07:53 AM
Actually glad to see this, in fact, as I just saw the trailer for MI:WTFEver and it left a sour taste in my mouth.

The Spectre trailer is far better and cooler for sure, but the Mission Impossible trailer looks pretty sweet too.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Onno on March 29, 2015, 03:42:53 AM
Loved the new trailer. I think Christoph Waltz is a very, very good actor and I can't wait to see him play the villain in this movie. Javier Bardem was great in Skyfall but I can easily imagine Waltz topping Bardem's performance.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 29, 2015, 11:39:01 AM
So I've read 2 rumors online over the past year, both credible. The first is that Craig's next film (his 5th) will be his last. The second is that Spectre and the next film will be a 2-parter. So my friend and I were brainstorming ideas on where they will take the whole Spectre thing and we came up with a cool idea that we'd both like to see:

First he meets Mr. White/Quantum again and he reveals that Quantum is a branch of Spectre. Bond will encounter the organization and its lower members (henchmen) and finally Waltz's character, who is Number 2. He'll battle him throughout the film and defeat him. For an ending cliffhanger scene, 2 Spectre members enter a room and announce Number 2 has been eliminated. Then they show the back of Blofeld's head and a closeup of his fingers stroking the cat and then a cut to black, setting it up for the next film, where Bond will battle him.

Thus, Daniel Craig's run of Bond films has a complete story arc.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 29, 2015, 01:45:57 PM
Who would we like to play Blofeld?

Patrick Stewart ?
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: masterthes on March 30, 2015, 07:10:25 AM
I think Waltz will be Blofeld without a doubt
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 30, 2015, 08:24:14 AM
Do something really ironic and cast Mike Myers as Blofeld.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on March 30, 2015, 02:32:16 PM
I am not as old as EB (sorry, bro) but my feelings about Bond are smiliar. But along with the action, though, it was why the action was happening. Was it happening to advance the plot, or was it more of Michael Bay-type action, for the sake of stuff blowing up. There was some intense action in Skyfall, but it seemed to all have its appropriate place within the movie and was paced well throughout, unlike, say, DAD, in which all the action got tedious, because at some point I lost interest in what the story was actually all about.

Count me pumped for this movie.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: chaossystem on April 02, 2015, 12:29:20 PM
Craig's next film (his 5th) will be his last.

I'm pretty sure there have only been THREE so far:

1) Casino Royale

2) Quantum of Solace

3) Skyfall

However, if the the next one is in two parts, then there WILL be a total of five, I guess.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: countoftuscany42 on April 02, 2015, 01:42:18 PM
i assumed that meant next after Spectre, so 5th
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on April 02, 2015, 02:41:59 PM
He's contracted for five, but the producers have said that Craig will be Bond for as long as he wants to be Bond.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 02, 2015, 04:15:22 PM
He's contracted for five, but the producers have said that Craig will be Bond for as long as he wants to be Bond.

True, but I remember Craig saying in an interview that he's ready to move on. So my guess is his total will be 5.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 02, 2015, 04:35:47 PM
Given that Skyfall was delayed due to MGM's financial troubles, by the time he gets to 5 films, that will have already been like 11 or 12 years as one character. That's a decent amount of time. Plus it would be good to go out on top with a strong series of movies (I'll excuse QoS due to the writer's strike) with a cohesive flow.
And he's already 47, so maybe he doesn't want to be playing Bond well into his 50s. Roger Moore held on till age 58, and he definitely seemed too old by then.

I think 5 movies will be just right.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: kingshmegland on April 02, 2015, 04:40:06 PM
Given that Skyfall was delayed due to MGM's financial troubles, by the time he gets to 5 films, that will have already been like 11 or 12 years as one character. That's a decent amount of time. Plus it would be good to go out on top with a strong series of movies (I'll excuse QoS due to the writer's strike) with a cohesive flow.
And he's already 47, so maybe he doesn't want to be playing Bond well into his 50s. Roger Moore held on till age 58, and he definitely seemed too old by then.

I think 5 movies will be just right.

Goddammit.  I hate when you're rational.  I've got nothing to say.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 02, 2015, 04:41:19 PM
Goddammit.  I hate when you're rational.  I've got nothing to say.

Luckily this isn't a problem you have to deal with often.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: kingshmegland on April 02, 2015, 04:43:27 PM
Thankfully you and I have much fodder between ourselves to work with.  I loved Skyfall and look forward to the next installment.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 02, 2015, 04:47:51 PM
I loved Skyfall too, and I liked the more classic direction they took it to set up future movies. I also look forward to seeing Batista away from wrestling. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: kingshmegland on April 02, 2015, 04:51:28 PM
I loved Skyfall too, and I liked the more classic direction they took it to set up future movies. I also look forward to seeing Batista away from wrestling. :biggrin:

Did you see Guardians Of The Galaxy Blob?
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 02, 2015, 04:54:33 PM
Nope, and I don't plan to. But I'm glad it did well for him.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: kingshmegland on April 02, 2015, 04:57:24 PM
Nope, and I don't plan to. But I'm glad it did well for him.

Damn man, it was a good movie!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on April 02, 2015, 05:36:59 PM
Agreed. I resisted seeing it - but it's so good.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on April 02, 2015, 05:39:35 PM
Goddammit.  I hate when you're rational.  I've got nothing to say.

Luckily this isn't a problem you have to deal with often.

Did I read it here or on another forum ? Someone else said that assuming that Spectre is the set up and the *next* film ( Bond 25 after all ) is the big climax -

- 5 films could be perfect and actually have an arc through all 5 films with recurring characters. Five Movies, Bond 25. The perfect time to bow out for D.C.

Casino Royale - Quantum Of Solace ( it's not as bad as Die Another Day ) - SkyFall - Spectre - Bond 25.


I'd love either Sam Mendes to complete his trilogy OR get Martin Campbell in for one last bond as it's a milestone. His Bond films are my top 2 :

1. Goldeneye
2. Casino Royale
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on April 02, 2015, 08:20:30 PM
He's contracted for five, but the producers have said that Craig will be Bond for as long as he wants to be Bond.

True, but I remember Craig saying in an interview that he's ready to move on. So my guess is his total will be 5.

Actually, I posted that with the intent of indicating that he might leave after Spectre and just do four films.

I've heard some rumors that indicate this film will likely act as the final culmination of his Bond's overall character arc and that future Bond films will go back to the usual episodic formula that they had before Craig's run in the tux.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on April 03, 2015, 01:27:02 AM
I don't think Quantum of Solace was a bad movie. I didn't really like it the first time I saw it, but it has defnetely improved after watching it again. It's still Craig's least good Bond-movie, but I quite like it.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Dark Castle on April 03, 2015, 11:19:18 AM
I don't think Quantum of Solace was a bad movie. I didn't really like it the first time I saw it, but it has defnetely improved after watching it again. It's still Craig's least good Bond-movie, but I quite like it.
I agree with this.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 03, 2015, 01:32:20 PM

Since everybody could not stop talking shit on it at the time of its release, I put off watching it for a couple years, but when I finally got around to watching it, I was really pleasantly surprised. Besides a fairly weak villain, I really like QoS.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on April 04, 2015, 01:02:55 PM
I liked QoS when I first saw it and then liked it less and less with each repeated viewing. One of the biggest issues with the film is that it really only works as an extended epilogue to a far better film (Casino Royale). It just doesn't hold up well on its own at all.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 04, 2015, 02:26:49 PM
QoS is my least fav Bond film, dead last. Not Craig's fault though, he's tied with Connery for my fav actor.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: orcus116 on April 04, 2015, 03:17:32 PM
The editing at the end of QoS was horrendous, especially when dealing with the villain. I don't remember the particulars since its been years since I saw the movie but I remember the ending being very quick, bad, and almost deus ex machina.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on April 04, 2015, 05:30:15 PM
QoS is my least fav Bond film, dead last. Not Craig's fault though, he's tied with Connery for my fav actor.

It's a lesser Bond film, but there have been far, far worse entries in the series I think. Roger Moore had several disasters, Connery had two stinkers and Brosnan had two or three misses too.
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Post by: Scorpion on April 04, 2015, 05:53:46 PM
I don't understand how you can say that Moore had disasters and then not apply the same term or worse to Brosnan for Die Another Day.
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Post by: Mister Gold on April 04, 2015, 06:02:49 PM
I don't understand how you can say that Moore had disasters and then not apply the same term or worse to Brosnan for Die Another Day.

I was including DAD in my "misses." It just happens to be a HUGE miss on Brosnan's part. That said, I still rank at least Moonraker below it. That film... is wrong. It's wrong on so many levels. Funny enough, the original book Moonraker bears more resemblance to the plot of DAD than it does the film that shares its name, though the book is vastly superior to either film.

That said, the Bond film that earns the most hatred and scorn from me is You Only Live Twice. It's not the worst Bond film ever, by any means, but it committed the greatest sin of the series: tossing away the story of the original book and replacing it with a standard Bond romp. Normally I'm not one to care much about the differences between a film and the book that it spawned from, but it's sacrilege in the case of YOLT. The book isn't like any other Bond story out there and was by far the most original and creative work from Ian Fleming in the series.
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Post by: Scorpion on April 04, 2015, 06:08:35 PM
Yeah, Moonraker is hilariously awful too.

But it was mostly a communication thing. I was thinking that "miss" was a qualifier and not as bad as "disaster" in your book. :tup

Also I should probably read some of the books. Your description of YOLT has me intrigued, even though the movie was very average.
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Post by: Mister Gold on April 04, 2015, 06:19:51 PM
Yeah, Moonraker is hilariously awful too.

But it was mostly a communication thing. I was thinking that "miss" was a qualifier and not as bad as "disaster" in your book. :tup

That said, Moonraker did at least give us that little gem of a line at the ending: "I think he's attempting re-entry, sir."

Comedy gold, right there.

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Also I should probably read some of the books. Your description of YOLT has me intrigued, even though the movie was very average.

Be sure to take care in picking which books to read! Some are brilliant, some are fun romps and others are rather dreadful. My personal favorites are (in chronological order): Casino Royale, From Russia With Love, Dr. No and the Spectre trilogy. The trilogy is composed of Thunderball, On Her Majesty's Secret Service and You Only Live Twice.

One of the biggest issues of the film YOLT is that it's misplaced in the order and the book's story can only work if you set it after OHMSS. The film series put in some very minor efforts to try and make the film version of Diamonds are Forever act as its version of the book YOLT (aka they point out that Bond wants revenge on Blofeld), but it lacks all the nuance and intelligence of the novel.

In the book, the setting of Japan acts as more than just another exotic location for Bond to explore; he undergoes a sort of spiritual healing through delving himself into the Japanese culture. It's an incredibly gloomy and macabre story that is really unlike anything else in the Bond mythos, be it novels or films. The closest comparison that I could make would probably be Skyfall, and even that's still pretty different from YOLT.
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Post by: orcus116 on April 04, 2015, 06:45:27 PM
Interesting. I have most of the books but I don't think I've read them all. I think I'll read the Spectre trilogy next.

Also I have no problems with Moonraker. I know it's much different than the book but it's just a campy action movie. I had much bigger problems with every other Bronson movie other than Goldeneye.
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Post by: Mister Gold on April 04, 2015, 07:05:44 PM
Interesting. I have most of the books but I don't think I've read them all. I think I'll read the Spectre trilogy next.

Also I have no problems with Moonraker. I know it's much different than the book but it's just a campy action movie. I had much bigger problems with every other Bronson movie other than Goldeneye.

The Spectre trilogy are my personal favorites of the Bond novels. You get one of the best standard Bond stories ever in Thunderball, THE best Bond story in OHMSS and then the darkest and most original story to ever grace the Bond series with YOLT (my personal favorite).
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 04, 2015, 08:51:06 PM
I'll watch DAD over Quantum any day of the week.

Yes, there are weaker entries in the series, but those are still entertaining. Everything I can think of about Quantum is bad, IMO.
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Post by: Scorpion on April 05, 2015, 02:45:02 AM
Different tastes I guess.

At least Quantum of Solace didn't have Bond being chased down a collapsing glacier by a space laser while driving an invisible car.
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Post by: BlackInk on April 05, 2015, 07:04:07 AM
Different tastes I guess.

At least Quantum of Solace didn't have Bond being chased down a collapsing glacier by a space laser while driving an invisible car.

Yeah seriously, holy shit.
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Post by: Mister Gold on April 05, 2015, 07:21:33 AM
Different tastes I guess.

At least Quantum of Solace didn't have Bond being chased down a collapsing glacier by a space laser while driving an invisible car.

Yeah seriously, holy shit.

Or that painfully obvious CGI Bond surfing.
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Post by: Zantera on April 05, 2015, 07:58:27 AM
I wouldn't just say Die Another Die is one of the worst Bond movies, but one of the worst movies I've seen. I saw it when it came out, and I was maybe 10-11 at the time, and even then I was baffled at how stupid most of the movie was. Bond surfing and being chased by a space laser is probably the highlight.  :lol
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Post by: ozzy554 on April 05, 2015, 08:21:07 AM
My biggest disappointment with the movies so far is that OHMSS does not have a proper followup. OHMSS surprisingly became one of my favorite bond movies even though Lazenby isn't the best bond but considering this was basically his first acting job he wasn't that bad. I think he would've improved a lot if he stayed on for more than one film. Its like when Connery came back for DAF they just completely ignored OHMSS and it felt like a sequel to YOLT. Which is a shame because OHMSS has one of the best and darkest endings of the series. They don't even mention the ending until the spy who loved me.
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Post by: orcus116 on April 05, 2015, 08:25:57 AM
I couldn't even make it to the end of OHMSS because of Lazenby but I should probably give it another shot. At the time I was just so enamored with the Connery/Moore Bond's that watching Lazenby was pretty much "who the hell is this guy?"
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Post by: Mister Gold on April 05, 2015, 09:39:01 AM
My biggest disappointment with the movies so far is that OHMSS does not have a proper followup. OHMSS surprisingly became one of my favorite bond movies even though Lazenby isn't the best bond but considering this was basically his first acting job he wasn't that bad. I think he would've improved a lot if he stayed on for more than one film. Its like when Connery came back for DAF they just completely ignored OHMSS and it felt like a sequel to YOLT. Which is a shame because OHMSS has one of the best and darkest endings of the series. They don't even mention the ending until the spy who loved me.

In that case, you need to read the book version of YOLT. OHMSS is one of the most book-accurate films in the series, so if you'd like to see any sort of proper followup, the book YOLT is the place to go. :tup
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Post by: orcus116 on April 06, 2015, 05:20:46 PM
I started Thunderball last night and before I knew it I was 40 pages in. Just starting to get into the whole SPECTRE storyline. Thank you for unintentionally reminding me I had these on my shelf collecting dust.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on April 06, 2015, 07:12:11 PM
I wouldn't just say Die Another Die is one of the worst Bond movies, but one of the worst movies I've seen. I saw it when it came out, and I was maybe 10-11 at the time, and even then I was baffled at how stupid most of the movie was. Bond surfing and being chased by a space laser is probably the highlight.  :lol

Die another day is the Batman and Robin (1997) of Bond. Just an absolute joke of a movie. I've loved bond almost my entire life with Goldeneye being my favorite, but coming out of that theater, I was embarrassed to be a Bond fan.

But then again, it led to Casino Royale (aka batman begins), but at least there's that silver lining.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on April 07, 2015, 11:38:00 AM
I've been doing a bit more research and thinking on the whole matter of how much longer Daniel Craig has left as James Bond, and I think it'll likely be one of the following two options. There are some rumors that are potentially big spoilers on Spectre that feed into this though...

1. Spectre is Craig's last film as Bond and they leave the rumored open-ended conclusion as-is; essentially a happy twist on OHMSS's ending
2. Craig comes back for one last Bond film, probably also with Mendes directing, and it likely continues the "S" trilogy with the title, Shatterhand, by taking Spectre's ending and opens up shortly afterward to turn it into OHMSS-territory and then largely takes from the original YOLT novel plot in exploring Bond's darkest hour and final confrontation with Blofeld.


Just my thoughts though.
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Post by: Kotowboy on April 07, 2015, 12:42:09 PM
I'd love if Skyfall was the first in a Mendes-Craig trilogy.

Especially if Spectre and Bond 25 are both great.
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Post by: Mister Gold on April 07, 2015, 12:47:27 PM
I'd love if Skyfall was the first in a Mendes-Craig trilogy.

Especially if Spectre and Bond 25 are both great.

Yep. If that ends up happening, I feel rather confident in guessing that the title for Bond 25 will be Shatterhand, to continue with the single-word "S" titles. Shatterhand is Blofeld's pseudonym in the novel version of YOLT.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 07, 2015, 12:56:15 PM
I'd love if Skyfall was the first in a Mendes-Craig trilogy.

Especially if Spectre and Bond 25 are both great.

Yep. If that ends up happening, I feel rather confident in guessing that the title for Bond 25 will be Shatterhand, to continue with the single-word "S" titles. Shatterhand is Blofeld's pseudonym in the novel version of YOLT.

I approve of all of this.
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Post by: ozzy554 on April 07, 2015, 01:55:28 PM
Just watched for your eyes only and overall I really enjoyed it. The humor in the Moore movies can be hit or miss but most of it here worked for me. I especially loved the anti-burglary system in his car.

The only thing I didn't like about the movie was the opening featuring not Blofeld.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on April 07, 2015, 07:04:26 PM
Really looking forward to SPECTRE, but I swear to god, if Blofeld is not in drag, then I'm walking out.

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-p98Xjg_qnWg/TnaPhJrQ8BI/AAAAAAAACuw/2A-mftBF0D4/s1600/diamondsareforeverdisc1085ny4.png)

I take my Bond films very seriously
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Post by: Mister Gold on April 07, 2015, 07:33:41 PM
Really looking forward to SPECTRE, but I swear to god, if Blofeld is not in drag, then I'm walking out.

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-p98Xjg_qnWg/TnaPhJrQ8BI/AAAAAAAACuw/2A-mftBF0D4/s1600/diamondsareforeverdisc1085ny4.png)

I take my Bond films very seriously

:lol Ugh, I tend to block out the vast majority of Diamonds are Forever in my mind. There's only the Crematorium sequence and all of its disturbing glory in my head. Nothing else.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Scorpion on April 08, 2015, 03:39:42 AM
Which is the movie where Bond scoops up Blofeld with a helicopter and drops him down a factory chimney?
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Post by: Kotowboy on April 08, 2015, 05:37:27 AM
Pretty sure that's the one with the volcano at the end ?

But my brain can only picture Moore in the helicopter so I'm not sure.

Is it the one with Little Nelly the autogiro?

You only live twice?
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Post by: ozzy554 on April 08, 2015, 07:27:50 AM
Which is the movie where Bond scoops up Blofeld with a helicopter and drops him down a factory chimney?

For your eyes only, That opening was the only thing i really didn't like about that movie
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Post by: Scorpion on April 08, 2015, 08:59:45 AM
Yeah, then we agree on that haha.

So bad.
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Post by: Mister Gold on April 08, 2015, 09:14:19 AM
Pretty sure that's the one with the volcano at the end ?

But my brain can only picture Moore in the helicopter so I'm not sure.

Is it the one with Little Nelly the autogiro?

You only live twice?

As they said, Blofeld being dropped into a chimney is in For Your Eyes Only, but yeah... Little Nelly is in the movie version of You Only Live Twice. :censored >:( :tdwn :angry: 

I need to go back and watch the Bond movies over again. I had the odd realization last night that I rank On Her Majesty's Secret Service over pretty much every Connery film, possibly even From Russia With Love and need to be sure on that.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on April 08, 2015, 10:57:25 AM
The Connery movies were mostly quite dull.

Especially when he came back.

"My" Bond was Moore.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on April 08, 2015, 12:52:47 PM
The Connery movies were mostly quite dull.

Especially when he came back.

"My" Bond was Moore.

I quite like Dr. No and Thunderball, while also LOVING From Russia With Love, but I do think Goldfinger is highly overrated. Seriously, the supposed "greatest" Bond film of all-time is set in... Kentucky. Really?!

Also, You Only Live Twice and Diamonds are Forever were terrible.

That said, I'm really not a fan of Moore's Bond. Growing up, I liked Live and Let Die and I kinda liked The Spy Who Loved Me, but I pretty much hated every other film he did as Bond. I'm not sure how my opinions on LALD and TSWLM hold up today, since it's been years since I last saw either film.

I don't know if this is right or not, but I also remember reading that Moore wasn't interested in playing Bond as Ian Fleming wrote him. I really don't like that, personally, though he did do decently in his take on the role in some films. He's basically just as responsible for Austin Powers as Connery was.
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Post by: ozzy554 on April 08, 2015, 01:31:40 PM
The Connery movies were mostly quite dull.

Especially when he came back.

"My" Bond was Moore.

I quite like Dr. No and Thunderball, while also LOVING From Russia With Love, but I do think Goldfinger is highly overrated. Seriously, the supposed "greatest" Bond film of all-time is set in... Kentucky. Really?!

Also, You Only Live Twice and Diamonds are Forever were terrible.

That said, I'm really not a fan of Moore's Bond. Growing up, I liked Live and Let Die and I kinda liked The Spy Who Loved Me, but I pretty much hated every other film he did as Bond. I'm not sure how my opinions on LALD and TSWLM hold up today, since it's been years since I last saw either film.

I don't know if this is right or not, but I also remember reading that Moore wasn't interested in playing Bond as Ian Fleming wrote him. I really don't like that, personally, though he did do decently in his take on the role in some films. He's basically just as responsible for Austin Powers as Connery was.

It's been a couple years since I've seen YOLT but I remember liking it.  If only for the fact that I love donald pleasence and that I find Sean Connery going undercover as a Japanese man hilarious.

As for diamonds are forever that is definatly my least favorite Connery Bond film. It even starts out bad with it completely ignoring OHMSS and having blofeld not looking remotely like blofeld. Also it seems like they took money out of the special effects budget in order to pay Connery's enormous salary. Some of those effects are cheesy and just plain bad even for the time. The only part I really liked was the cremation scene.
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Post by: Mister Gold on April 08, 2015, 02:07:54 PM
It's been a couple years since I've seen YOLT but I remember liking it.  If only for the fact that I love donald pleasence and that I find Sean Connery going undercover as a Japanese man hilarious.

Donald Pleasance is pretty menacing in the role of Blofeld, but I do still see plenty of things in his performance that would lead to the creation of Dr. Evil. Connery doesn't look like he even wants to be there too, which is a big problem. But the biggest problem for me is how they completely tossed away the plot of the book (the absolute darkest Bond story ever) in favor of something very, very childish.

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As for diamonds are forever that is definatly my least favorite Connery Bond film. It even starts out bad with it completely ignoring OHMSS and having blofeld not looking remotely like blofeld. Also it seems like they took money out of the special effects budget in order to pay Connery's enormous salary. Some of those effects are cheesy and just plain bad even for the time. The only part I really liked was the cremation scene.

Completely agreed. :tup
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on April 09, 2015, 06:17:10 AM
Yup. I just finished watching OHMSS again and I feel pretty confident in saying that it's my favorite Bond film now, though I still need to revisit FRWL, CR and Skyfall to be absolutely sure.

I'd never realized until now just how wonderfully directed OHMSS is. It's the closest thing we'll ever get to a Hitchcock-helmed Bond film and the avant-garde editing style used for Lazenby's brutal action sequences really give it a visceral quality to it. The only moments that compare to it in the rest of the series are the train fight in FRWL and all of CR's fight scenes.

Lazenby's acting isn't necessarily perfect, but I like the raw quality he gave to the film. He definitely gave a far better and more honest performance in the final scene than Sean Connery would have given, I think.
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Post by: ozzy554 on April 09, 2015, 05:39:54 PM
Last night I watched Octopussy. It was a lot goofier than FYEO although I should've guessed that from the title. Overall I enjoyed it. The humor was fine for the most part but there were some gags like the tarzan scene that made be cringe. The stunt work was great as it usually is.  I really enjoyed the plane scene at the end of the movie, although nothing will top the freefall fight from moonraker for me.

I just finished A view to a kill a few minutes ago. This movie does not waste anytime with the cheese with the opening scene involving bond snowboarding with the beach boys playing in the background. This one I thought was alright. I can see why a lot of people don't like it. I still like it more than the man with the golden gun.
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Post by: Kotowboy on April 10, 2015, 04:49:47 AM
I love View To A Kill !!

Walken made a great villain & I love the whole climax with the airship.
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Post by: Mister Gold on April 10, 2015, 05:44:41 AM
I love View To A Kill !!

Walken made a great villain & I love the whole climax with the airship.

I do like the idea of Walken as a villain, and other elements of AVTAK, but Moore was way too old to play Bond by that point. It's just painful to watch him in this movie.
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Post by: ozzy554 on April 10, 2015, 07:58:33 AM
I didn't think Moore looked that bad to be honest.
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Post by: Mister Gold on April 10, 2015, 10:33:37 AM
I didn't think Moore looked that bad to be honest.

Dude looked terrible every single one of his Bond films in the 80's. He really should have retired after Moonraker.
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Post by: Zantera on April 10, 2015, 03:58:56 PM
I think Moore looked good for the most part, but I remember in his last movie that he really looked like he was 50.
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Post by: orcus116 on April 10, 2015, 04:41:22 PM
I may give OYMSS and the Dalton movies another chance. I remember really not liking them when I was younger but I was 14 and it was all Coonery/Moore/Brosnan for me although Goldeneye was probably only Brosnan movie I really enjoyed.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 10, 2015, 04:44:13 PM
I may give OYMSS and the Dalton movies another chance. I remember really not liking them when I was younger but I was 14 and it was all Coonery/Moore/Brosnan for me although Goldeneye was probably only Brosnan movie I really enjoyed.

Dalton is tragically underrated. The main criticism is that he's too bland, but I think he's great.
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Post by: orcus116 on April 10, 2015, 04:48:08 PM
I remember watching, I think it was License to Kill, where Felix gets fed to the shark or something. It just went downhill from there.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 10, 2015, 04:49:46 PM
As dark as that film is, I prefer The Living Daylights.
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Post by: Kotowboy on April 10, 2015, 05:06:10 PM
Brosnan was great but apart from Goldeneye- his films were mostly terrible, unfortunately.


But Goldeneye was pretty much spot on though.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on April 10, 2015, 05:21:32 PM
Goldeneye  :hefdaddy

My first Bond film and my favorite  :heart
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 10, 2015, 05:33:55 PM
Brosnan was great but apart from Goldeneye- his films were mostly terrible, unfortunately.


But Goldeneye was pretty much spot on though.

I like TND, and TWINE has a special place for me, being the first bond film I saw in theaters when I was 10. DAD is pretty bad though.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on April 10, 2015, 06:41:07 PM
I may give OYMSS and the Dalton movies another chance. I remember really not liking them when I was younger but I was 14 and it was all Coonery/Moore/Brosnan for me although Goldeneye was probably only Brosnan movie I really enjoyed.

Dalton is tragically underrated. The main criticism is that he's too bland, but I think he's great.

Dalton was the right Bond at the wrong time. I thought he played that more realistic Bond very well, better than Daniel Craig imo. But it was a transitional time for the franchise.

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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 10, 2015, 11:37:20 PM
I may give OYMSS and the Dalton movies another chance. I remember really not liking them when I was younger but I was 14 and it was all Coonery/Moore/Brosnan for me although Goldeneye was probably only Brosnan movie I really enjoyed.

Dalton is tragically underrated. The main criticism is that he's too bland, but I think he's great.

Dalton was the right Bond at the wrong time. I thought he played that more realistic Bond very well, better than Daniel Craig imo. But it was a transitional time for the franchise.

Daniel is becoming my favorite, probably tied with Connery at this point. He just owns the role more than anybody. He isn't playing Bond, he IS Bond. Spectre may bump him to the top for me.
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Post by: Mister Gold on April 11, 2015, 06:46:52 AM
Daniel is becoming my favorite, probably tied with Connery at this point. He just owns the role more than anybody. He isn't playing Bond, he IS Bond. Spectre may bump him to the top for me.

Daniel has been my favorite Bond since I first saw Casino Royale on the big screen on its opening night nine years ago. :tup
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Post by: Scorpion on April 11, 2015, 01:52:34 PM
Casino Royale is already nine years old? Man, does time fly. I remember it hitting the cinemas, I think it might even have been the first Bond that I ever watched.
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Post by: BlackInk on April 11, 2015, 02:21:25 PM
Casino Royale is already nine years old? Man, does time fly. I remember it hitting the cinemas, I think it might even have been the first Bond that I ever watched.

Me too, which is probably why Craig is my favorite bond.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 11, 2015, 02:41:27 PM
I've seen all of them in theaters since TWINE
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Post by: Mister Gold on April 11, 2015, 07:03:04 PM
Casino Royale is already nine years old? Man, does time fly. I remember it hitting the cinemas, I think it might even have been the first Bond that I ever watched.

It was the first I ever saw on the big screen. I'd seen little bits and snippets of a bunch of different Bond movies over the years, but I didn't start paying attention to the movies until right around the time they started shooting CR, once I started hearing all the controversy over casting Daniel Craig as Bond.

Within the time-span of a week, I had come across a copy of the first Young Bond book by Charles Higgins and watched Goldfinger for the first time. I was oddly off-put by how the movie seemed more light-hearted than the supposed kid's book that I was reading. For the hell of it, I decided to go to the library and see if they had a copy of the novel Casino Royale (I wasn't even sure that it was a book; wasn't even aware that it was the first Bond story). Sure enough, they had a copy and I was hooked. Within the following months, I owned all twenty Bond films on DVD (my folks bought a huge collection dirt cheap on eBay from China for me :lol) and many of Ian Fleming's original novels.

As odd as it was, I actually pictured Craig in my head the entire time I was reading Fleming's novels. There hadn't been any trailers or serious quality footage of him as Bond at that point, but they did have that very first promotional photo of him as Bond. To me, that photo is still the character "James Bond" that I see in my head whenever I go back and read Fleming's novels.

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Post by: ozzy554 on April 11, 2015, 07:34:02 PM
Just watched the living daylights and I really liked it. The much more serious tone of the film was refreshing after watching octopussy and a view to a kill. From reading the description of license to kill it sounds like it will be even darker.
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Post by: Mister Gold on April 11, 2015, 07:37:29 PM
Just watched the living daylights and I really liked it. The much more serious tone of the film was refreshing after watching octopussy and a view to a kill. From reading the description of license to kill it sounds like it will be even darker.

It is. It's almost unquestionably the darkest Bond film ever.

I haven't seen the whole thing in ages, but I do remember preferring TLD, which is odd since I also recall LTK having an even better performance from Dalton, as well as far stronger villains than the ones in TLD. I think the main issue with the film is that it doesn't really feel Bondian at all. It comes off more as a blend between Die Hard and Scarface, with Bond as its lead star and pulling a Yojimbo/Fistful of Dollars on the main villains.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 12, 2015, 01:24:52 AM
Just watched the living daylights and I really liked it. The much more serious tone of the film was refreshing after watching octopussy and a view to a kill. From reading the description of license to kill it sounds like it will be even darker.

It is. It's almost unquestionably the darkest Bond film ever.

I haven't seen the whole thing in ages, but I do remember preferring TLD, which is odd since I also recall LTK having an even better performance from Dalton, as well as far stronger villains than the ones in TLD. I think the main issue with the film is that it doesn't really feel Bondian at all. It comes off more as a blend between Die Hard and Scarface, with Bond as its lead star and pulling a Yojimbo/Fistful of Dollars on the main villains.

To put it the most simple, Licence To Kill is a revenge film.
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Post by: Zantera on April 12, 2015, 01:49:37 AM
I always liked Dalton, and would say he is very underrated. I thought both his movies were pretty good.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on April 12, 2015, 04:28:03 AM
Just watched the living daylights and I really liked it. The much more serious tone of the film was refreshing after watching octopussy and a view to a kill. From reading the description of license to kill it sounds like it will be even darker.

It is. It's almost unquestionably the darkest Bond film ever.

I haven't seen the whole thing in ages, but I do remember preferring TLD, which is odd since I also recall LTK having an even better performance from Dalton, as well as far stronger villains than the ones in TLD. I think the main issue with the film is that it doesn't really feel Bondian at all. It comes off more as a blend between Die Hard and Scarface, with Bond as its lead star and pulling a Yojimbo/Fistful of Dollars on the main villains.

I remember liking TLD quite a bit up until the setting shifts to the middle east. At that point I always got bored. Don't know why, but that's the point I lose interest. Everything up to that was pretty sweet though.

LTK on the other hand, I totally agree. It doesn't feel Bond-ish at all. And that's probably why I really don't like it. It feels like a sunday afternoon movie they'd be showing on TV, not some badass spy flick. and that's actually how I saw it, it just happened to be some random sunday afternoon, it was on and I was like meh. Don't mind the dark tone, though. I actually prefer it super dark.

But then what followed, oh my god. Goldenye is sleek, styleish and feels so fresh and cool. At least as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on April 12, 2015, 04:41:05 AM
I remember liking TLD quite a bit up until the setting shifts to the middle east. At that point I always got bored. Don't know why, but that's the point I lose interest. Everything up to that was pretty sweet though.

LTK on the other hand, I totally agree. It doesn't feel Bond-ish at all. And that's probably why I really don't like it. It feels like a sunday afternoon movie they'd be showing on TV, not some badass spy flick. and that's actually how I saw it, it just happened to be some random sunday afternoon, it was on and I was like meh. Don't mind the dark tone, though. I actually prefer it super dark.

But then what followed, oh my god. Goldenye is sleek, styleish and feels so fresh and cool. At least as far as I'm concerned.

I completely agree; the third act is easily the weakest part of TLD. There's this absolutely wonderful set-up all through out the film, only to really give it a weak pay-off.

Goldeneye is one of the best Bond films ever. I'm generally not as big a fan of the "movie Bond" approach as I am of the films that go about capturing Ian Fleming's Bond (i.e. OHMSS, FRWL, CR, SF), but Goldeneye is just done so damn well that it's impossible not to love it. :tup
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on April 12, 2015, 08:07:08 AM
Just watched the living daylights and I really liked it. The much more serious tone of the film was refreshing after watching octopussy and a view to a kill. From reading the description of license to kill it sounds like it will be even darker.

It is. It's almost unquestionably the darkest Bond film ever.

I haven't seen the whole thing in ages, but I do remember preferring TLD, which is odd since I also recall LTK having an even better performance from Dalton, as well as far stronger villains than the ones in TLD. I think the main issue with the film is that it doesn't really feel Bondian at all. It comes off more as a blend between Die Hard and Scarface, with Bond as its lead star and pulling a Yojimbo/Fistful of Dollars on the main villains.


Dat juggernaut crash.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on April 12, 2015, 01:13:16 PM
My unorganized trek through the Bond films continues... I watched From Russia With Love and Goldfinger for the first time in ages and it seems my long-time opinion still stands: From Russia With Love is a superior film to Goldfinger. The only other two potential Connery films that could sway up or down on my rankings are Dr. No and Thunderball. I'm currently watching the latter and will be sure to add my thoughts on that film once I'm finished. :tup
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ozzy554 on April 12, 2015, 02:16:51 PM
I just finished Licence to kill and personally I loved it. If OHMSS had a proper follow up this is the kind of bond I would've wanted in it, Pissed off and wanting to get his revenge no matter what.I thought it was nice to see this side of the character. Also i loved the fact that Q had a larger role in this one. I think this will end up being one of my personal favorites in the series and definitely my favorite 80's bond movie.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on April 12, 2015, 03:42:50 PM
I just finished Licence to kill and personally I loved it. If OHMSS had a proper follow up this is the kind of bond I would've wanted in it, Pissed off and wanting to get his revenge no matter what.I thought it was nice to see this side of the character. Also i loved the fact that Q had a larger role in this one. I think this will end up being one of my personal favorites in the series and definitely my favorite 80's bond movie.

I need to go back and watch LTK again. It was a film that I always wanted to like. Now that I'm older and have a better understanding of what the film is, I might enjoy it a lot more now.

Anywho... Thunderball.

Surprisingly, Thunderball didn't hold up quite as well as I'd hoped it would. The film starts off really strong and has tons of great moments and features to it, but the film loses itself in the chaos of the third act and fails to really bring everything back together. I'm shocked to say this, but Goldfinger is actually a tighter, more focused film overall. Wow.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ozzy554 on April 13, 2015, 08:06:56 AM
I watched goldeneye last night I liked it. I didn't think it was as good as people are saying but I still enjoyed it. Maybe I would have liked it more if I didn't watch it so soon after LTK because they are so completely different in tone. Although Brosnan did a good job Part of me wishes that this was property of a lady with Dalton.

Well next as I understand is where the series starts to decline until we hit rock bottom at Die another day.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on April 13, 2015, 08:21:35 AM
Pretty much.

Tomorrow Never Dies is ok. The World Is Not Enough is about the same. But yeah. Die Another Day is

just terrible. It's more like a bad sci Fi.

Casino Royale blows it out of the water.

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on April 13, 2015, 09:15:55 AM
GoldenEye is pretty awesome, I would probably put it in my top3 Bond movies without too much thinking. Tomorrow Never Dies was alright, but I think the major problem was that it followed GoldenEye. If Tomorrow Never Dies had come out first, people would probably have been slightly more optimistic, but as events turned out, we got a really awesome movie and then a good one, and in contrast it wasn't up to par. The World is not Enough is weird, because it has elements of "so bad its funny" (Denise Richards being a nuclear scientist, the line "I've always wanted to have Christmas in Turkey" etc) but it also takes itself too seriously. Die Another Day on the other hand is so terrible that it becomes funny.

I do like Brosnan as Bond, but it feels like he took over the role at an awkward time. The first two movies he did were pretty good, they were slightly "darker" and more serious in tone, and then the last two had moments when they were hamming it up like a Saturday morning cartoon show. Luckily they realized Bond doesn't work when it becomes too goofy or silly, and with Martin Campbell back (who did GoldenEye), they really got the franchise back on track with Casino Royale.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Scorpion on April 13, 2015, 09:58:49 AM
Brosnan is probably my least favourite Bond.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on April 13, 2015, 07:37:55 PM
I watched goldeneye last night I liked it. I didn't think it was as good as people are saying but I still enjoyed it. Maybe I would have liked it more if I didn't watch it so soon after LTK because they are so completely different in tone. Although Brosnan did a good job Part of me wishes that this was property of a lady with Dalton.

Well next as I understand is where the series starts to decline until we hit rock bottom at Die another day.

Goldeneye isn't my personal type of Bond film, but it does what it does very well. It's just so wonderfully executed. I'll see how LTK ranks in comparison to it in due time.

And yeah, the series takes a sharp nose dive from here until it quantum leaps to new heights with Casino Royale. Brilliant film. :hefdaddy

Pretty much.

Tomorrow Never Dies is ok. The World Is Not Enough is about the same. But yeah. Die Another Day is

just terrible. It's more like a bad sci Fi.

Casino Royale blows it out of the water.

I saw Casino Royale so many times on the big screen when it came out in 2006. I don't think I had ever really been in love with a film like that before. I rented it from the library today, so I'll be watching it again in due time. :tup

GoldenEye is pretty awesome, I would probably put it in my top3 Bond movies without too much thinking. Tomorrow Never Dies was alright, but I think the major problem was that it followed GoldenEye. If Tomorrow Never Dies had come out first, people would probably have been slightly more optimistic, but as events turned out, we got a really awesome movie and then a good one, and in contrast it wasn't up to par. The World is not Enough is weird, because it has elements of "so bad its funny" (Denise Richards being a nuclear scientist, the line "I've always wanted to have Christmas in Turkey" etc) but it also takes itself too seriously. Die Another Day on the other hand is so terrible that it becomes funny.

I do like Brosnan as Bond, but it feels like he took over the role at an awkward time. The first two movies he did were pretty good, they were slightly "darker" and more serious in tone, and then the last two had moments when they were hamming it up like a Saturday morning cartoon show. Luckily they realized Bond doesn't work when it becomes too goofy or silly, and with Martin Campbell back (who did GoldenEye), they really got the franchise back on track with Casino Royale.

Yeah, I definitely agree that Brosnan came in at the wrong time.

Brosnan is probably my least favourite Bond.

Roger Moore is the worst Bond by far, in my opinion. At least Brosnan has one masterpiece on his belt.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Scorpion on April 14, 2015, 02:59:41 AM
Moore's run is pretty mediocre, not going to deny that, but at least he doesn't have Die Another Day.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on April 14, 2015, 05:04:04 AM
Moore's run is pretty mediocre, not going to deny that, but at least he doesn't have Die Another Day.

cough Moonraker cough

I repeat; he doesn't have any real sort of 'masterpiece' like Brosnan does. I'd say Goldeneye balances out DAD, while Moore just has one massive stinker and everything else he did is pretty bad or awkward too.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on April 14, 2015, 05:08:31 AM
I like some of the early Moore films, but I would probably agree that he doesn't have that special one that sticks out. But I feel similar with Connery in a way, I appreciate both his and Moore's movies, but if I were to pick out a favorite top3 Bond films then I don't think either would make an appearance. Those movies are a product of their time, and while I can still watch them and like them, I think some of them has aged better than others.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 14, 2015, 05:24:50 AM
Moore's pre-Moonraker movies were just as good as anything Connery did.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: orcus116 on April 14, 2015, 05:39:15 AM
What is it about Moonraker that people seem to find intolerable? It's got just as much campy stuff as any other Connery/Moore era Bond movies.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on April 14, 2015, 06:09:57 AM
I like some of the early Moore films, but I would probably agree that he doesn't have that special one that sticks out. But I feel similar with Connery in a way, I appreciate both his and Moore's movies, but if I were to pick out a favorite top3 Bond films then I don't think either would make an appearance. Those movies are a product of their time, and while I can still watch them and like them, I think some of them has aged better than others.

I need to revisit his first three Bond films, as I did enjoy LALD a bit when I was younger and I've heard most rank TSWLM rather highly too. As for Connery, I generally agree, but he still has From Russia With Love on his resume. That film still holds up, I think.

Moore's pre-Moonraker movies were just as good as anything Connery did.

Again, Connery had From Russia With Love, but I might agree with you aside from that.

What is it about Moonraker that people seem to find intolerable? It's got just as much campy stuff as any other Connery/Moore era Bond movies.

Three words: Bond. In. Space.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on April 14, 2015, 06:12:54 AM
Moonraker is great. That ending where they're trying to shoot down the pods.

:omg:
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on April 14, 2015, 06:32:25 AM
Moonraker is great. That ending where they're trying to shoot down the pods.

:omg:

I liked it better when it was called "Star Wars."
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ozzy554 on April 14, 2015, 06:50:55 AM
I liked moonraker, it was actually more serious than I was expecting........until they got into space that is. I also can't hate a movie that has that awesome free fall fight for an opening. I can see why people hate it but I still found it better than TMWTGG
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on April 14, 2015, 07:48:50 AM
I liked moonraker, it was actually more serious than I was expecting........until they got into space that is. I also can't hate a movie that has that awesome free fall fight for an opening. I can see why people hate it but I still found it better than TMWTGG

I still need to watch it again, so my opinion could change, but I just always found the idea of Moonraker's plot to be going too far in the sci-fi elements.

As I've said before, I got into Bond from the original novels by Fleming and while he had rather fantastical plots, it was never as extreme as a lot of the movies would go. There was a lot less of an emphasis on the gadgets that Bond received from Q-Branch in the books than there is in the films. The attache case in FRWL is a pretty good example of the type of equipment that Bond would use in the novels.

As a result of all of that, I just really dislike it when the movies go that extreme in terms of gadgets and over-the-top plot elements.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 14, 2015, 09:22:03 AM
Biggest problem for Moonraker for me was that they brought Jaws back and they turned him into an idiotic dumbass. It nearly ruined the image from TSWLM. He should've never been in it at all and they should've written a new henchmen in his place.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Scorpion on April 15, 2015, 02:52:29 AM
Moore's run is pretty mediocre, not going to deny that, but at least he doesn't have Die Another Day.

cough Moonraker cough

I repeat; he doesn't have any real sort of 'masterpiece' like Brosnan does. I'd say Goldeneye balances out DAD, while Moore just has one massive stinker and everything else he did is pretty bad or awkward too.

Moonraker is pretty bad, not going to lie, but DAD is on another level of awfulness entirely.

Ugh. So bad.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on April 18, 2015, 03:06:40 PM
For me, Moonraker certainly isn't one of the better films in the series, but it's not at the bottom of the list either. It gets a bit stupid in places, but is at least still fun.

I'd put Die Another Day at second worst for the series. Second, because while it's really bad and almost ruined the series, it's at least a spectacular trainwreck.

My pick for worst Bond film is easily Diamonds Are Forever. Some of the reasons have already been mentioned here; Most unforgivably, it completely drops the ball as a followup to OHMSS.
The whole thing just feels so cheap and tacky as well. Connery obviously doesn't want to be there, and feels like a completely different character than from his previous films. As far as tone, the whole thing feels more farcical than almost anything from the Moore films (and at times, almost more than the Austin Powers films), and in a way that feels like a big 'fuck you' to the audience.

For me, the best Connery film is From Russia With Love. It's just such a fantastic cold war spy thriller. Connery is at his best, the supporting cast are all fantastic, and the story just clicks.

For OHMSS, I definitely like it more in spite of Lazenby than because of, though he does an okay job for the most part. I will say, if he was going to pick one scene to just get spot on, he picked the right one (the ending). A great all around cast, very unique story and pacing for the series, and phenomenally directed and put together.
I will say, it's difficult to see either Connery or Moore in that film. Interestingly, Dalton was actually considered, but he turned it down because he thought he was too young (around 21/22 at the time). Now that could have been something.

Moore is probably my least favorite take on the character, though I've started to appreciate his films for what they are in the last few years. His films are probably all around the middle of the pack for me; nothing amazing, but nothing terrible. I hear a lot of people say that The Spy Who Loved Me is one of the best in the series, but it never really clicked with me.
While not his best, I always found A View To A Kill to be his most interesting in some ways. Obviously, Christopher Walken is a fantastic villain. There's just an overarching weirdness to the film that's pretty intriguing. Obviously one of the main issues with the film is Moore's age by that point. Honestly, I think they really could have had something if they'd addressed it a bit. Have Bond deal a bit with getting older. They basically reset the series to a degree with Dalton anyway, so it could have worked.

I've always heard that Moore kept trying to leave after his third film or so. That the producers kept convincing him to come back, and he would more or less say "Okay, one last film, but then you have to find someone else". The main reason being, he felt that he was getting too old for the role.

Dalton is fantastic as Bond, and I think it's often overlooked just how important he was to the series. He basically brought the films back to actually being spy thrillers, and reeled things in a bit after Moore's run. The Living Daylights is still one of my favorite Bond films. License To Kill is good too, and Dalton brings it, but I find that film suffers from feeling a bit cheap at times.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 18, 2015, 03:22:32 PM
Love

Dr. No
From Russia with love
Goldfinger
Thunderball
Diamonds are forever
Goldeneye
Casino royale
Quantum of solace


Like

You only live twice
Oh her majesty's secret service
All roger Moore films
The living daylights
License to kill 
Tomorrow never dies


Don't like

Skyfall
Never say never again
The world is not enough
Die another day
 
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Scorpion on April 18, 2015, 03:55:33 PM
Skyfall below DAD?

Now I've seen everything.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 18, 2015, 04:06:36 PM
Non of that is ranked. I just threw them together. DAD is my least favorite bond film by far. I find it painful to even watch.

I respect sam Mendes and I respect a lot of whats going on in Skyfall, but overall I just don't like it. Craig's other bond films I love though.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Scorpion on April 18, 2015, 06:23:21 PM
Ah ok I thought that was a ranking.

Still don't agree, but different strokes I guess. 's all good.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 19, 2015, 05:16:28 AM
I've always been a casual Bond fan. 

The Moore films are my least favorite.

Moonraker is my least favorite of those.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 20, 2015, 06:35:04 PM
I love the theme song for License to Kill. Gladys knight tearing it up

My top 5 themes would be:

1. Goldfinger
2. Goldeneye
3. License to kill
4. A view to a kill (dance into the fire)
5. Skyfall

Also like:
on her majesties secret service
diamond are forever
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 21, 2015, 09:47:04 AM
My Top 5:

1. GoldenEye
2. Skyfall
3. You Know My Name (Casino Royale)
4. Nobody Does It Better (The Spy Who Loved Me)
5. Live And Let Die
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 21, 2015, 09:50:21 AM
My top 5 (lol so DTF)

1. You Know My Name
2. The Man With The Golden Gun
3. Live and Let Die
4. Nobody Does it Better
5. Goldfinger

My Top 5:

1. GoldenEye
2. Skyfall
3. You Know My Name (Casino Royale)
4. Nobody Does It Better (The Spy Who Loved Me)
5. Live And Let Die

Great choices. :tup Personally I think the Skyfall theme is overrated, but it's still quite good.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 21, 2015, 09:53:54 AM
My top 5 (lol so DTF)

1. You Know My Name
2. The Man With The Golden Gun
3. Live and Let Die
4. Nobody Does it Better
5. Goldfinger

My Top 5:

1. GoldenEye
2. Skyfall
3. You Know My Name (Casino Royale)
4. Nobody Does It Better (The Spy Who Loved Me)
5. Live And Let Die

Great choices. :tup Personally I think the Skyfall theme is overrated, but it's still quite good.

You Know My Name is ranked one of the worst by critics which is beyond me - such a catchy, great song, and they way they incorporate it into the score is excellent. Awesome work from Cornell!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 21, 2015, 09:59:11 AM
You Know My Name is ranked one of the worst by critics which is beyond me - such a catchy, great song, and they way they incorporate it into the score is excellent. Awesome work from Cornell!

I can understand it not being one of the favourites due to the style not being to everyone's tastes, but I don't know how anyone can rank it as one of the worst. It's very well written, and it's a great blend of rock and the signature Bond sound and chord progression. I also like the lyrics and the way it fits into the intro sequence.
The single version is a bit too straight up rock, but the orchestral mix in the movie is amazing.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on April 21, 2015, 10:41:29 AM
Die another day & quantum of solace are both godawful bond themes.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 21, 2015, 10:45:11 AM
Die another day & quantum of solace are both godawful bond themes.

Yup. Two of the worst, if not the worst.

Although its not technically a rejected Bond theme for QoS, Shirley Bassey's No Good About Goodbye is a much better theme, and would be one of my favourites. It was written by David Arnold, contains musical tie-ins to the soundtrack, and the lyrics are Bond-ish and have the word solace in them. Definitely intended as a theoretical theme.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Nihil-Morari on April 21, 2015, 12:10:14 PM
Which one is the one with Jack White and Alicia Keys? I love that one, just the sound and progressions for a Bond theme song.

EDIT: Haha that appears to be the Quantum of Solace theme song. Damn you DTF, that's my favorite. Most prog sounding too  :flame:
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on April 21, 2015, 03:48:36 PM
I just hate Hack White.

A horrible horrible musician.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 21, 2015, 06:36:23 PM
I just hate Hack White.

A horrible horrible musician.

One of the worst voices on this planet. Rather take the nails on the chalkboard.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: bl5150 on April 21, 2015, 07:24:21 PM
I just hate Hack White.

A horrible horrible musician.

 :tup
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Nihil-Morari on April 22, 2015, 01:35:00 AM
Oh wow. Not to derail the thread, but I think he's a creative man, and a good producer. He does have a very distinctive sound, yes ;)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on April 22, 2015, 04:33:33 AM
He's just one of those people who isn't very good at guitar so they just shove it through fuzz boxes and

make a fuck ton of noise and people confuse it with genius.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Nihil-Morari on April 22, 2015, 04:47:18 AM
He's just one of those people who isn't very good at guitar so they just shove it through fuzz boxes and

make a fuck ton of noise and people confuse it with genius.

I never said he's a guitar genius. He isn't. At all. I don't even see him as a guitar player. But I think he's a creative man, and I like his producing style and sound.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 02, 2015, 08:00:50 AM
I just watched Skyfall.  That was fucking fantastic.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on May 02, 2015, 09:03:55 AM
I just watched Skyfall.  That was fucking fantastic.

Yup. One of the best Bond films ever, if not the best. I need to go back and finish my Bond marathon once I finish up finals to be sure on my rankings. OHMSS is still the one that stands out the most to me these days. :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on May 02, 2015, 09:04:49 AM
I love Skyfall despite the glaring contrivances. Solid movie and much better than Quantum Of Solace.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on May 02, 2015, 10:28:57 AM
I just watched Skyfall.  That was fucking fantastic.

Yup. One of the best Bond films ever, if not the best. I need to go back and finish my Bond marathon once I finish up finals to be sure on my rankings. OHMSS is still the one that stands out the most to me these days. :hefdaddy

I've never said this about a new/upcoming Bond film, but I have the strongest feeling that SPECTRE will be the greatest Bond film of them all. I definitely think it'll trump Skyfall, even Casino Royale as Craig's finest. As of right now, the stars are aligning for this one.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on May 02, 2015, 10:58:55 AM
I'd probably say Casino Royale or GoldenEye is the best Bond movie for me, but Spectre is looking awesome. If Christoph Waltz is as good of a Bond villain that we hope he is, it will be amazing.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 02, 2015, 11:38:25 AM
I'd probably say Casino Royale or GoldenEye is the best Bond movie for me, but Spectre is looking awesome. If Christoph Waltz is as good of a Bond villain that we hope he is, it will be amazing.

You took the words right out of my mouth
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on May 02, 2015, 11:55:25 AM
I'd probably say Casino Royale or GoldenEye is the best Bond movie for me, but Spectre is looking awesome. If Christoph Waltz is as good of a Bond villain that we hope he is, it will be amazing.

You took the words right out of my mouth
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on May 02, 2015, 07:57:57 PM
I'd probably say Casino Royale or GoldenEye is the best Bond movie for me, but Spectre is looking awesome. If Christoph Waltz is as good of a Bond villain that we hope he is, it will be amazing.

You took the words right out of my mouth

It must have been while you were kissing me~ :tup

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/02/24/article-0-00606CA200000258-979_468x286.jpg)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 04, 2015, 02:25:49 AM
Your favourite movie from each actor portraying Bond.

For me:

Sean Connery
Goldfinger

George Lazenby
On Her Majesty's Secret Service Yea well....

Roger Moore
Live and Let Die

Timothy Dalton
The Living Daylights

Pierce Brosnan
GoldenEye

Daniel Craig
Skyfall
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 04, 2015, 02:29:58 AM
Good idea.

Sean Connery
Goldfinger

Roger Moore
The Man With The Golden Gun

Timothy Dalton
License to Kill

Pierce Brosnan
GoldenEye

Daniel Craig
Skyfall

Now I really feel like rewatching these.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 04, 2015, 04:33:44 AM
Sean Connery
From Russia with love

Roger Moore
Moonraker (guilty pleasure)

Timothy Dalton
License to Kill

Pierce Brosnan
GoldenEye

Daniel Craig
Casino Royale
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 04, 2015, 04:35:22 AM
Would anyone not choose Goldeneye for Brosnan?
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 04, 2015, 05:35:36 AM
For me the hardest era was Roger Moore because his movies was those I watched the most as a kid, I guess I liked the humor Moore brought in. I'm not saying he was the best Bond, he just had something I liked.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 04, 2015, 05:45:54 AM
The Roger Moore era was also the toughest for me to choose from. The rest were instantly obvious choices for me, but Moore didn't have one clear standout over all the rest (take that as good or bad). I think all of his earlier movies were pretty good.

I watched all of the Bond films around the same time when I got into it, but I ended up watching the Moore ones the most too. Maybe it was also because of the fun and humour, which is something I enjoy. Not that I don't enjoy the more serious ones.
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Post by: Scorpion on May 04, 2015, 06:02:49 AM
Connery: From Russia With Love (awesome)
Lazenby: On Her Majesty's Secret Service (lol)
Moore: For Your Eyes Only (underrated, never really see this mentioned when talking Moore's Bond)
Dalton: The Living Daylights (fuck yeah)
Brosnan: Goldeneye (still overrated though)
Craig: Skyfall (awesome; Casino Royale is amazing too though)
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Post by: Cool Chris on May 04, 2015, 04:44:54 PM
Connery: Goldfinger  - my first Connery bond. FRWL a close second.
Moore: Tough. Like BVD said, the variance in Moore's films is low. They seem more formulaic than they did for the other actors. I think they had a more consistent team working on them(?).
Dalton: Push.
Brosnan: Goldeneye. A top 5 Bond film for me. Very rewatchable. I rank TWINE higher that others seem to. Robbie Coltrain was so good in this and Goldeneye (along with Joe Don Baker).
Craig: Skyfall. Didn't care much for the others, through no fault of Craig's performance.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on May 04, 2015, 04:54:57 PM
Connery: Goldfinger (with Thunderball being a close second)

Lazenby: On Her Majesty's Secret Service

Moore: The Spy Who Loved Me

Dalton: The Living Daylights

Brosnan: GoldenEye (Although The World Is Not Enough holds a special place for me)

Craig: Casino Royale/Skyfall (Tied)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The King in Crimson on May 04, 2015, 10:04:49 PM
Connery: Goldfinger
Moore: For Your Eyes Only
Dalton: I've only seen License to Kill, but it felt more like an 80's action movie than a Bond film at times
Brosnan: Goldeneye
Craig: Casino Royale
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Scorpion on May 04, 2015, 11:49:50 PM
To move away from rankings slightly, who do you guys think was the best Bond villain, and why?
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Post by: Mister Gold on May 05, 2015, 05:52:05 AM
To move away from rankings slightly, who do you guys think was the best Bond villain, and why?

Hmm... I think I'll give my vote to Red Grant. There's a few other great Bond villains that come to mind like 006, Le Chiffre or Silva, but Grant was the first truly great Bond villain. Beyond that, he also has the unique task of having to keep Bond alive all through out the film until the right opportunity arrives for him to personally assassinate Bond.

Besides, Grant had that incredible fight with Bond on the train and I think that's arguably Connery's finest moment as Bond. :tup
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Post by: Cool Chris on May 05, 2015, 01:04:36 PM
I loved Trevelyn, because, first, super man-crush on Sean Bean, and second, I loved the idea of him trying to get retribution for a perceived(?) wrong done to him and his family by England. When it comes to villains, I am all about their motivation. I am oversimplifying, but I like there to be something more to them than TAKE OVER THE WORLD. Of course even the simplest Bond villains aren't that simple, but you get the point.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: masterthes on May 06, 2015, 11:55:46 AM
I'll do the Bond themes, since I still haven't seen all the Bond films

1. Goldeneye
2. Skyfall
3. For Your Eyes Only
4. Nobody Does It Better
5. Live and Let Die
Hon. Mentions: You Know My Name and View To A Kill

The problem with License To Kill is that it's too long for a Bond theme, and I can't help but laugh at the background vocals (to KILL)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 02, 2015, 10:02:59 AM
James Bond Distribution Rights Coming Up For Grabs (https://variety.com/2015/film/news/james-bond-distribution-rights-up-for-grabs-1201509566/)

Would a different studio landing the rights automatically result in the casting of a new Bond?
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Post by: Magikernandy on June 02, 2015, 10:37:14 AM
The best Bond movies are For Your Eyes Only, Octopussy, The Spy Who Loved Me, Live and Let Die and Goldfinger.

All of them belong to the best action movies made at the time. Most of the action movies from the era lasted apr. 90 minutes but are without any doubt more boring and past prime today.

For Your Eyes Only in particular is still fun to watch.



Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: jammindude on June 02, 2015, 11:05:03 AM
You lost me at Live and Let Die. That movie is more comedy than action. It was the Bond series only venture into blaxploitation.   That being said, it's good for a laugh, and at least it's better than Moonraker.  :lol
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 02, 2015, 11:21:53 AM
James Bond Distribution Rights Coming Up For Grabs (https://variety.com/2015/film/news/james-bond-distribution-rights-up-for-grabs-1201509566/)

Would a different studio landing the rights automatically result in the casting of a new Bond?

Difficult to say. Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson said that they'll have Craig on as long as he wants, but idk if the studio has the power to overthrow that.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on June 02, 2015, 02:12:49 PM
If they do ditch Craig and his story arc is resolved in the next movie - that would be stupid.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 03, 2015, 12:57:57 AM
I think given the huge success of Skyfall (and assuming Spectre will also do similarly great), I can't imagine a studio wanting to boot Craig out if he still wants to play the part. It would be a better PR move to not rock the boat.
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Post by: Magikernandy on June 03, 2015, 01:30:08 AM
You lost me at Live and Let Die. That movie is more comedy than action. It was the Bond series only venture into blaxploitation.   

only venture into blaxploitation!?    :lol

Neither the only or the first,  Diamonds are forever a year before was a lot  worse and turned out to be funny in a bad way. Live and Let Die is entertaining in a good way.

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 10, 2015, 04:37:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QYDk39rMHo

Some epic shit goin on here! Counting down the days til this thing is released!!!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: comment on June 10, 2015, 06:01:23 PM
Looking forward to Spectre.

If they recast Bond...  What choices are out there that could equal Craig?  I can't think of anyone except maybe Tom Hardy and Clive Owen.  I think they would make good Bonds.  Maybe Christian Bale too.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 11, 2015, 10:21:07 AM
Weren't there talk about Idris Elba being the next Bond?
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 11, 2015, 10:41:01 AM
Weren't there talk about Idris Elba being the next Bond?
More fanboy dream than anything.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on June 11, 2015, 10:42:57 AM
I have loved the idea of Elba as Bond ever since I first heard it. It'd be really cool if whoever takes the series on next listens to the fans and actually casts the guy.
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Post by: The Trooper on June 11, 2015, 10:53:00 AM
Exactly this.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 11, 2015, 11:20:38 AM
He is an excellent actor, and I'm sure that he would do a great job, but I don't get why should be the dream choice.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on June 11, 2015, 12:11:29 PM
It's as good as any dream choice. If I hear someone I would like better, I'll switch. But at the moment, Elba gets my vote.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 11, 2015, 12:27:31 PM
Elba won't get cast, he'll be too old by the time Craig is done.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on June 11, 2015, 03:45:40 PM
I think Fassbender could be good. Christian Bale isn't suave enough. Tom Hardy would be amazing I think.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 11, 2015, 04:05:29 PM
^I agree with all of that^
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on June 11, 2015, 04:16:27 PM
 :o WHAT?!


Tom Hardy is pretty *in* right now. He seems the obvious choice. Just as long as they don't make Bond a female to please the feminazis it's all good.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on June 11, 2015, 07:29:58 PM
Richard Simmons. Just sayin  ;)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on June 11, 2015, 07:34:59 PM
But all serious, Hardy would rock it.Then again, Wesley Snipes. Always bet on black. Casino Royal hehe
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ariich on June 12, 2015, 01:57:35 AM
:o WHAT?!


Tom Hardy is pretty *in* right now. He seems the obvious choice. Just as long as they don't make Bond a female to please the feminazis it's all good.
Jane Bond!!

But yeah, Tom Hardy would be so brilliant.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 22, 2015, 02:56:08 AM
Trailer 2 (https://youtu.be/l9hMaqdNzz8)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Nefarius on July 22, 2015, 05:00:31 AM
Moriarty! :biggrin:

Greetings...
Nef
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Post by: Accelerando on July 22, 2015, 05:05:47 AM
The OHMSS theme is in there. And Waltz is wearing a Nehru jacket. I am amped for this.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on July 22, 2015, 05:22:17 AM
Looks good
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Post by: Kotowboy on July 22, 2015, 01:15:27 PM
I can see this being better than Quantum Of Solace and probably surpassing Skyfall but not Casino Royale. That one was just great.

However - if Craig's next ( and rumoured final ) movie is also great - he won't have had a bad run.

He's already got a better Bond resume under his belt than Pierce Brosnan. They really did give him terrible movies apart from Goldeneye.
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Post by: Scorpion on July 22, 2015, 01:28:14 PM
That looks awesome. Pumped for this movie.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on July 23, 2015, 10:07:13 AM
The OHMSS theme is in there. And Waltz is wearing a Nehru jacket. I am amped for this.

Unsurprisingly, it seems like Spectre is going to be a spiritual reimagining of OHMSS. I can dig it. :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on July 23, 2015, 01:05:54 PM
I'm a massive Bond fan but i've only seen OHMSS the once. Keep meaning to rewatch on it's own terms.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Mister Gold on July 23, 2015, 02:14:20 PM
I'm a massive Bond fan but i've only seen OHMSS the once. Keep meaning to rewatch on it's own terms.

Aside from Lazenby himself, OHMSS makes a strong case for being the best Bond film ever. Incredible directing and screenwriting from a film perspective and it's an eerily accurate adaptation of what's generally agreed to be Fleming's greatest Bond novel (though I do slightly prefer the novel You Only Live Twice as a singular book).
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cyclopssss on July 27, 2015, 03:04:02 AM
I've seen OHMSS several times now and the story is just executed fantastic. The ending always hits hard. Lazenby got a lot of unjust flak for it, but I think he does a better job than Moore. 
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Post by: Mister Gold on July 28, 2015, 11:48:02 AM
I've seen OHMSS several times now and the story is just executed fantastic. The ending always hits hard. Lazenby got a lot of unjust flak for it, but I think he does a better job than Moore.

I agree about Lazenby. He's certainly not bad; he's just rough around the edges, since that was his first time ever acting. That said, he nailed the final scene of the film. The only other two Bond actors who I think could have matched him in that scene are Dalton and Craig.

I think I said this awhile back, but I feel like OHMSS is the closest we ever got to a Hitchcock-directed Bond film. It's very lavishly shot and cinematically tense in the same way that Hitchcock approached his classic films.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 03, 2015, 03:04:03 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/dBqrMrR.jpg)

Pumped!
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 03, 2015, 08:11:59 PM
That white dinner jacket!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on September 04, 2015, 11:21:52 AM
Can't not think of Live & Let Die.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on September 04, 2015, 10:16:15 PM
Only two people should ever wear a white dinner jacket: Bond and Rick Blaine.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 08, 2015, 11:21:47 AM
Sam Smith co-wrote and is performing the Spectre theme called "Writing's On The Wall"

Available for purchase/stream on 9/25
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Post by: BlobVanDam on September 08, 2015, 11:26:21 AM
Hm. Never heard of him, so I don't know what his style is, but I'm not excited based on that.

I guess I'll just have to wait and hear it!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 08, 2015, 11:34:11 AM
He has a very soft voice, so it'll probably be another ballad.

He's not my cup of tea, but maybe he'll surprise us
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 08, 2015, 11:40:07 AM
Apparently it's a "classic love song", which he wrote in 20 minutes. It's hard to get excited based on that.

But yeah, maybe he'll surprise us.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on September 08, 2015, 12:33:08 PM
Can't be as bad as Die Another Day or the Jack White one...





...Was in TESCO last night and saw a tabloid headline " DAVID BECKHAM IS NEW BOND ". Obviously this would be all over the news if true and not in some shitty tabloid.

So I read the text underneath the headline and it said

" David Beckham may be the next Bond after fans suggested he should be. "


:lol :lol
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: bl5150 on September 08, 2015, 04:47:25 PM
If Beckham is the next Bond then hopefully they can fit him with an Adam's Apple or something.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on September 08, 2015, 05:37:46 PM
I have never heard of Sam Smith. In a related story, I don't give a rip about the theme song or who sings it. I have never enjoyed seeing a Bond movie upon my initial viewing as I did with Skyfall (ok, maybe Goldeneye) and I couldn't tell you who sang the song, or how it went.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 08, 2015, 10:01:40 PM
Can't be as bad as Die Another Day or the Jack White one...

I just farted, and it sounded better than those.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ariich on September 08, 2015, 11:54:57 PM
I like both those songs. *shrug*
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on September 09, 2015, 12:47:38 AM
Adele's Skyfall combined with the imagery of that intro was epic. Still gives me chills.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Nefarius on September 10, 2015, 05:05:06 AM
The Skyfall intro is very nice but the song always feels so incredibly boring to me, I'd rather enjoy the visuals with muted sound.

Greetings...
Nef
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on September 10, 2015, 07:33:40 AM
Skyfall is the best bond theme in a long while. I quite liked Casino Royale's one by Chris Cornell too but Skyfall is better imo.

I actually quite liked View To A Kill as well * runs* .
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 10, 2015, 07:37:51 AM
Skyfall is a decent theme, but overrated given that it's pretty standard stuff. The vocals bug me a bit too. The chick's voice is not suited to harmonies.
You Know My Name is by far the best of the modern era imo, with the only other competition being Goldeneye.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 10, 2015, 08:55:55 AM
I thought that Skyfall was unquestionably the best Bond theme in at least 20 years, maybe longer.

I hope Sam Smith does a good job.  But I'm already over his falsetto ass.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 10, 2015, 07:31:18 PM
Skyfall is a decent theme, but overrated given that it's pretty standard stuff. The vocals bug me a bit too. The chick's voice is not suited to harmonies.
You Know My Name is by far the best of the modern era imo, with the only other competition being Goldeneye.

Disagree about Skyfall, I love that tune, especially with the accompanying visuals.

But I agree that You Know My Name is the best.....I tend to gravitate towards the hard rocking tunes.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ZirconBlue on September 11, 2015, 01:26:37 PM
I thought that Skyfall was unquestionably the best Bond theme in at least 20 years, maybe longer.
I agree.  Stylistically it's something of a throwback to the old Shirley Bassey Bond themes.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: mrrct on September 11, 2015, 07:00:28 PM
"You Know My Name" and "Skyfall" were both outstanding, although I prefer the latter because I think female vocals go with/are more traditional for Bond movies than either rock songs or songs from male vocalists.  That doesn't mean that there aren't good examples of either, such as
"Thunderball," "Live and Let Die," or "The Living Daylights."  There are also female-sang title songs that are the drizzling shits, like "The Man with the Golden Gun," "All Time High" (Octopussy), "Die Another Day," etc.   
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: orcus116 on September 11, 2015, 07:25:55 PM
Regarding the books I just finished Thunderball and started on On Her Majesty's Secret Service. I need to finish the SPECTRE trilogy before the movie hits.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on September 11, 2015, 09:51:37 PM
"You Know My Name" and "Skyfall" were both outstanding, although I prefer the latter because I think female vocals go with/are more traditional for Bond movies than either rock songs or songs from male vocalists.  That doesn't mean that there aren't good examples of either, such as
"Thunderball," "Live and Let Die," or "The Living Daylights."  There are also female-sang title songs that are the drizzling shits, like "The Man with the Golden Gun," "All Time High" (Octopussy), "Die Another Day," etc.   

The Man With The Golden Gun was an awesome theme, unlike the other two shitstains you mentioned with it.

I don't consider Thunderball and The Living Daylights as very good themes (although Thunderball is redeemed by Tom Jones' vocals), but Live and Let Die is as much a classic great Bond theme as anything else.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on September 12, 2015, 10:30:17 AM
Live And Let Die.  :metal  What a fucking great song that is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZdsIj4pAzQ

^ amazing version. i need to get this DVD again. It's great.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on September 12, 2015, 01:26:58 PM
LOL the lady at 0:36.

I have always been annoyed by "...in which we live in..."
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on September 12, 2015, 01:41:02 PM
LOL the lady at 0:36.

I have always been annoyed by "...in which we live in..."

It's fine in a song as it's almost literally poetic licence.

I don't get at all bothered by it or " To Boldly Go ".


Plus it scans nicely and has the right number of syllables for the line.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 14, 2015, 01:44:02 PM
I have always been annoyed by "...in which we live in..."
Same here.  It definitely hurts the song for me.
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Post by: ZirconBlue on September 15, 2015, 01:27:57 PM
I have always been annoyed by "...in which we live in..."
Same here.  It definitely hurts the song for me.
And easily fixed:  "in which we're livin'"
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 15, 2015, 01:51:13 PM
lol those are apparently the correct lyrics.

It still sounds weird, and I don't care for it that much.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Anguyen92 on September 17, 2015, 01:46:12 AM
Live And Let Die.  :metal  What a fucking great song that is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZdsIj4pAzQ

^ amazing version. i need to get this DVD again. It's great.

Tis a great song.  That video version, though, seems to be a bit lacking in the pyrotechnics department.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on September 17, 2015, 02:06:00 AM
Live And Let Die.  :metal  What a fucking great song that is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZdsIj4pAzQ

^ amazing version. i need to get this DVD again. It's great.

Tis a great song.  That video version, though, seems to be a bit lacking in the pyrotechnics department.

It also needed more quick camera zooms. The old lady after the first pyro had clearly never been to a concert in her entire life. :lol
Great performance, and have been all the performances I recall seeing.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on September 25, 2015, 01:37:15 AM
https://www.digitalspy.com.au/music/news/a670308/listen-to-sam-smiths-stirring-bond-theme-writings-on-the-wall.html#~pphpB5m0JnHqFj

New Bond theme. Shit sandwich.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 25, 2015, 04:52:39 AM
Like the orchestra arrangement but not a big fan of his voice and the song in general.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 03, 2015, 07:54:35 AM
SPECTRE - Final Trailer (Official) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4UDNzXD3qA&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on October 03, 2015, 08:38:55 AM
Like the orchestra arrangement but not a big fan of his voice and the song in general.

Not the worst thing i've heard.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on October 03, 2015, 08:57:56 AM
I am very excited. I like the theme as well.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 07, 2015, 02:31:50 PM
Daniel Craig Says He’d Rather Kill Himself Than Do Another James Bond Movie (https://variety.com/2015/film/news/daniel-craig-james-bond-25-1201612654/)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on October 07, 2015, 03:23:28 PM
He's also said he's under contract to do one more so it probably won't be for a while if he does do it.

I'm pretty sure he's been trying to get out of it since QOS.
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Post by: TioJorge on October 07, 2015, 03:45:56 PM
He seems pretty damn bitter about it all but I can understand that. It's like this weird hate/respect thing (certainly not love); especially given his comments about the next actor to take up the mantel. He's done a fantastic job and I'm sure I'll enjoy Spectre, but after that I'll be about ready for something new. I mean...personally, I'm kind of tiring of the entirety of the Bond format, but on the other side of that token...if they change it up too much I could see them going back and absolutely raping the series like most of the Brosnan era was (for me at least). I also seem to recall something about them wanting to go younger with the next Bond so god fucking help me if they get this teeny bopper brat I'll just outright pretend the series died with Craig and might possibly blow something up. Just the words 'going younger' has never...ever...bode well with me when it comes to Hollywood.

But uh yeah...that bro mad.  :lol From what I hear he's a hard as hell worker on and off set and is one to do his own stunts so with a series like Bond...I can see why he'd be over and done with it by now. I respect and enjoy his candidness though, even if it comes with a side of abrasiveness.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on October 07, 2015, 04:08:08 PM
With the current trend for re-doing everything - I can see them getting a younger actor and just redoing Dr. No onwards until they stop making any profit.
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Post by: TioJorge on October 07, 2015, 05:23:39 PM
Kind of what I had in mind as well, which means I'll be done after the Craig movies. I just couldn't take it. Hollywood has already fucked up one of my childhood heroes, Spiderman, I don't need another completely raped. Here's hoping they don't though... I read that a while back so maaaybe they'll just get another middle-aged badass like Craig and keep on keepin' on. That'd be ideal to me.
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Post by: Kotowboy on October 07, 2015, 05:25:19 PM
Idris Elba or GTFO
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TioJorge on October 07, 2015, 06:21:01 PM
I could totally go for that. I had forgotten that he was a name mentioned as a possible successor. Absolutely!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 07, 2015, 06:47:35 PM
Daniel Craig Says He’d Rather Kill Himself Than Do Another James Bond Movie (https://variety.com/2015/film/news/daniel-craig-james-bond-25-1201612654/)

This one seems more positive:
https://screenrant.com/spectre-daniel-craig-james-bond-movies/
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Post by: BlobVanDam on October 07, 2015, 08:41:01 PM
Idris Elba or GTFO

I hope Daniel Craig holds on long enough for this idea to completely disappear first. I just don't get it at all.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TioJorge on October 07, 2015, 10:58:16 PM
Have you seen the TV series Luther? Great crime drama and he plays the troubled detective/agent/cop-type very well. I'd like him as Bond if only for the fact that he's a great actor and plays that type really well, in my opinion. Then again if you don't like the guy/his acting/have never seen Luther, I can see why you'd be puzzled. But in my eyes all it takes is at least an attempt to watch the series to know that he'd be a great Bond, even if you don't like the show itself, the character is great.
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Post by: Bolsters on October 07, 2015, 11:02:36 PM
I've seen Elba in a few things and don't really understand what all the fuss is about. Nothing wrong with him, but I'm not buying into the hype. I haven't seen Luther though.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TioJorge on October 08, 2015, 12:01:37 AM
I'm not sure there's anything to buy into...or hype...as far as I've seen. I just have always liked his acting and from watching Luther, know he can play the troubled detective very well, which fits the Bond persona to a T, save for being upgraded from detective to ridiculously super secret agent man. I saw him on a list of actors that'd be good and/or interesting to play the next Bond and he was on there, that's all. If there's any 'hype' surrounding him, I haven't heard it. (The word hype is so overused recently...like ridiculously so, and it seemingly came out of nowhere...but...I digress)

I mean, I pretty much am open to anyone who isn't a fucking teeny bopper, angsty little shit. Those types are just rampant in Hollywood and it seems the 'in' thing to do these days is make a character young and dumb. That said, I really hope the minds behind Bond wouldn't let that happen but I don't put anything past the movie biz.
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Post by: Bolsters on October 08, 2015, 06:02:46 AM
Not all of that was necessarily directed at you specifically. It's just that I've seen a lot of high praise for him on the interwebz over the last few years about him being such a great and underrated actor, and I don't really get it. But I don't dislike him and I don't think he would make a bad Bond.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 08, 2015, 07:38:57 AM
I love Idris Elba.  I thought he was fantastic in Luther, and The Wire, and any number of other projects I've seen him in.  Definitely one of my favorite actors.

But I don't see him as Bond, and the fervor of some people to make him Bond seems odd to me.

I am all for progressive morals and cultures and inclusiveness, but I don't understand how changing a longtime character from one race to another counts toward that.  I just don't get it.

Bond is a white British heterosexual misogynist.  That's who he is.  The mythology of the character changes so much if any of those things are changed that you are left with essentially a new character that is no longer Bond.  I, for one, would much rather see Elba cast as a completely different character altogether. 
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on October 09, 2015, 01:11:43 PM
Daniel Craig Says He’d Rather Kill Himself Than Do Another James Bond Movie (https://variety.com/2015/film/news/daniel-craig-james-bond-25-1201612654/)
Reading that, it was bitter to the point that I thought it must be leaving out some context.

The full interview definitely gives a bit of a different vibe to some of those quotes.
https://www.timeout.com/london/film/daniel-craig-interview-my-advice-to-the-next-james-bond-dont-be-shit

Some of the harsher quotes come across more as just being exhausted after a long, demanding film shoot. Some of it is still a little discouraging, but there are definitely other quotes in the interview that balance it out.
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Post by: TL on October 09, 2015, 01:22:39 PM
I love Idris Elba.  I thought he was fantastic in Luther, and The Wire, and any number of other projects I've seen him in.  Definitely one of my favorite actors.

But I don't see him as Bond, and the fervor of some people to make him Bond seems odd to me.

I am all for progressive morals and cultures and inclusiveness, but I don't understand how changing a longtime character from one race to another counts toward that.  I just don't get it.

Bond is a white British heterosexual misogynist.  That's who he is.  The mythology of the character changes so much if any of those things are changed that you are left with essentially a new character that is no longer Bond.  I, for one, would much rather see Elba cast as a completely different character altogether.

While I can understand that argument;
I'm of the mind that Bond being white is just how the character happened to be, rather than it being important at all to the character. I mean, we've already had two Bonds who weren't British (Lazenby being Australian and Brosnan being Irish).
I think Idris Elba would be a fantastic Bond. I don't think his race should be held as a pro or con in the matter. If they have a black Bond, it shouldn't be for the sake of progressiveness, but at the same time, if there's an actor who would be an awesome James Bond and is also black, I don't think it should preclude them from getting the role.
Just my two cents.

That said, while I think he'd be great, I think the chances of him being the next Bond are pretty low, and will be even lower if Craig stays on for another.
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Post by: Kotowboy on October 09, 2015, 01:28:18 PM

Some of the harsher quotes come across more as just being exhausted after a long, demanding film shoot. Some of it is still a little discouraging, but there are definitely other quotes in the interview that balance it out.

Plus he's already said elsewhere that he's under contract for one more...
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 09, 2015, 02:23:42 PM
Some of the harsher quotes come across more as just being exhausted after a long, demanding film shoot.
I'm sure that's what most of it is, along with everything involved with being associated with the character.
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Post by: Kotowboy on October 09, 2015, 02:28:12 PM
Give him three years off to do what he wants and then come back for one last hurrah with Sam Mendes then retire.

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Post by: ozzy554 on October 27, 2015, 06:31:54 PM
Just watched Die Another Day for the first time. Honestly I liked the first half of the movie. Then he gets to the ice palace and the movie just spirals into insanity.  I think The Man with the Golden Gun is still my least favorite bond movie but this one comes close.
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Post by: Kotowboy on October 27, 2015, 06:35:23 PM
It's pretty bad.

Why is Michael Madsen in it? He seems so out of place.
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Post by: TL on October 28, 2015, 03:37:28 PM
For me, Die Another Day is certainly bad, and gets really stupid as it goes, but at least I can enjoy it as a big dumb spectacle of a thing.

My least favorite Bond film is easily Diamonds Are Forever. There's so much completely squandered and unused potential that was set up in OHMSS. Even more than that though, I just find it really unpleasant to watch.
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Post by: mrrct on October 28, 2015, 04:35:52 PM
"Moonraker" and "Octopussy" are the worst Bond films in my opinion, with neither having any redeeming qualities.  "Die Another Day" is very bad, as are most of the Moore films, but those two take the cake.

If Idris Elba was cast as a Norse god in "Thor," there's no reason that he can't play James Bond.  It's just that he's not that much younger than Craig and, by the time the latter does the remaining film that he's contractually obligated for, Broccoli and Wilson will probably want someone younger.

Craig can bitch all he wants about the job right now, as Connery did before him.  Eventually, when he's replaced, and doing nothing remotely close in popularity, ten or so years down the road he'll jump at the chance to play the character again, as Connery did before him ("Never Say Never Again"), even to the point of remaking "Thunderball."  Harrison Ford initially didn't want to come back as Han Solo for "Return of the Jedi," but thirty years later he jumped at the chance to play the character again.  These primadonnas don't know what they've got until it's gone.
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Post by: Kotowboy on October 28, 2015, 04:51:35 PM
To be fair to Daniel Craig - Spectre was probably a tough shoot and he did say " right now i'd rather slash my wrists ".

He's probably just exhausted.
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Post by: Cool Chris on October 28, 2015, 10:08:11 PM
Harrison Ford initially didn't want to come back as Han Solo for "Return of the Jedi," but thirty years later he jumped at the chance to play the character again. 

That was because he didn't think there was anything interesting left in the character's arc. And Ford (or Connery, for that matter) isn't exactly hurting for money, or fame. I am sure he was drawn to this movie for the story, not the cash. I am sure Connery still gets calls too, but is happily retired.

Die Another Day had a cool premise. But was bogged down in too much crap to make it worthwhile. I'd still take it over some of Moore's weaker films though, and Diamonds, for the entertainment value.
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Post by: mrrct on October 28, 2015, 10:21:34 PM
Wasn't suggesting that Craig would be broke or unable to find work, just that he'd settle down and do middling movies, like the things he does between Bond films, and miss being a household name.

Connery actually quit the franchise twice, each time probably because Eon films wouldn't meet his asking price.  He actually received the highest acting salary up to that time for "Diamonds Are Forever," $2 million if I recall correctly.  He had purchased the rights to the screenplay for "Never Say Never Again" and had held it for years, so he probably wanted to play the character again deep down, regardless of whatever he publicly said.  Craig probably just wants a break from the character to try different things and not have as demanding a shoot for a few years.
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Post by: Cool Chris on October 28, 2015, 10:39:53 PM
I imagine for most celebs, it is a double-edge sword. You get all the fame and paparazzi and other crap that goes with being an A-lister, and you wish it would go away. And then it does, and you start to want it back.
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Post by: jammindude on October 29, 2015, 08:06:46 PM
I was just saying the other day how completely hokey most of the Moore films are.  Even the acclaimed Spy Who Loved me just bores me to tears.   Live and Let Die is a Bond Blaxspoitation film, and it's just utterly ridiculous.   Moonraker is almost as much parody as The Naked Gun series. 

The only Moore films I recall enjoying were For Your Eyes Only and A View to A Kill.  The rest were pretty bad (though still good for occasional fun if you're in an extremely campy mood).

My step son and I are going to rewatch the Craig trilogy before we go to see Spectre on opening day...should be fun.  I never got around to seeing Quantum because of all the bad reviews, so that will be a first.
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Post by: The Trooper on October 29, 2015, 10:02:43 PM
I have seen Spectre and if he did do a lot of the stunts and the grinding work that is in the film. I get his comments. It is a spectacular film. Probably one on the best Bond films ever. It is well written, acted and the action holy crap. He is under contract for 1 more, but who knows. The action stuff in the film is demanding. Do not get me wrong, the guy is a monster in physical shape. But an almost 2 year shoot for the film with whats in it is demanding.
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Post by: The Trooper on October 29, 2015, 10:04:35 PM
and with the way Craig set up his contract for the Bond films he is not hurting for cash.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on October 29, 2015, 11:54:10 PM

My step son and I are going to rewatch the Craig trilogy before we go to see Spectre on opening day...should be fun.  I never got around to seeing Quantum because of all the bad reviews, so that will be a first.

Lower your expectations. Horrible film. The ONLY thing I like about it is Daniel.
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Post by: Zantera on October 30, 2015, 02:39:41 AM
I didn't leave the cinema thinking Quantum of Solace was bad, just that it felt a bit bland. I honestly don't remember much about it, didn't it have a scene at a opera house or something? I vaguely remember that. And I remember a fairly unique looking building where the end took place. But the plot itself was kinda weird and having the main bad guy be some regular office dude who wanted to obtain all the water in the desert (or something) was also weird. Also the action scenes were filmed so bad compared to the previous films, a lot of shaky cam.

That's about all I remember.
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Post by: Kotowboy on October 30, 2015, 04:56:19 AM
I didn't leave the cinema thinking Quantum of Solace was bad, just that it felt a bit bland. I honestly don't remember much about it, didn't it have a scene at a opera house or something? I vaguely remember that. And I remember a fairly unique looking building where the end took place. But the plot itself was kinda weird and having the main bad guy be some regular office dude who wanted to obtain all the water in the desert (or something) was also weird. Also the action scenes were filmed so bad compared to the previous films, a lot of shaky cam.

That's about all I remember.

Same director as World War Z which also had terrible camerawork.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on October 30, 2015, 05:01:45 AM
I didn't leave the cinema thinking Quantum of Solace was bad, just that it felt a bit bland. I honestly don't remember much about it, didn't it have a scene at a opera house or something? I vaguely remember that. And I remember a fairly unique looking building where the end took place. But the plot itself was kinda weird and having the main bad guy be some regular office dude who wanted to obtain all the water in the desert (or something) was also weird.

That's pretty similar to my thoughts.
I don't think the movie is near as bad as people say, but nor is it a noteworthy Bond film. It's just kinda there.

I recall a sequence in particular that the shaky cam and quick editing particularly annoyed me, but I can't remember if it was in QoS or Casino Royale. Going by the setting I remember, it was probably QoS though.
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Post by: Kotowboy on October 30, 2015, 05:23:49 AM
I didn't leave the cinema thinking Quantum of Solace was bad, just that it felt a bit bland. I honestly don't remember much about it, didn't it have a scene at a opera house or something? I vaguely remember that. And I remember a fairly unique looking building where the end took place. But the plot itself was kinda weird and having the main bad guy be some regular office dude who wanted to obtain all the water in the desert (or something) was also weird.

That's pretty similar to my thoughts.
I don't think the movie is near as bad as people say, but nor is it a noteworthy Bond film. It's just kinda there.

I recall a sequence in particular that the shaky cam and quick editing particularly annoyed me, but I can't remember if it was in QoS or Casino Royale. Going by the setting I remember, it was probably QoS though.

It's definitely very noticeable in the opening car chase. One of those " well we haven't choreographed this scene so just drive and i'll shake the camera about in close up "
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Post by: BlackInk on November 01, 2015, 05:49:51 AM
SPOILERS FOR SPECTRE FOLLOWS



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Saw the movie yesterday, and while I'd say that it is definetely a good movie, it was a bit of a disappointment. It also made some weird choices at times.

Let's talk the villain first, which is the main problem with the movie. Waltz does an excellent job with the role he's given, but the role itself isn't as impactful as it feels like they wanted it to. Silva was way more threatening and intense. Le Chiffre was also a much better villain overall. They tried to tie it all together and make Blofeld a bigger presence as a villain by having him be behind the events of all the previous movies. And while I think stuff like that is cool, the execution of that idea was a bit underwhelming. I didn't really get the connection between the various villains over the years. Le Chiffre and Mr White I can sort of get, but it's still pretty flimsy. And was Quantum a sub-organisation of Spectre? I guess, but why? What's the difference between those two groups? The movie never really attempts to explain. And Blofeld was connected to Silva? Same as the other movies, there is no hint at a higher power in Skyfall, so it just seems like an afterthought.

Blofeld also says at some point that he was responsible for the women in his life dying, specifically Vesper and M. Vesper died from drowning in a sinking building. Did Blofeld plan that? I don't see how he could. Also, it was Silva's plan to kill M, which might have benefitted Spectre. But Blofeld makes it sound like M dying was a punishment because Bond interfered with his work. But Silva's plan to kill M had already started before Bond had interfered. And it was super personal for Silva, he would probably have done that anyways, Bond interfering or not.

Also, he causes no damage for Bond himself in the movie. Nothing of real consequence happens here. The drilling into the skull torture scene was certainly intense, but it resulted in nothing. There was the idea that Bond might lose the ability to recognize faces, which would have been huge, but that didn't happen... for some reason... despite Blofeld actually doing the thing that was supposed to make that happen.

So all of those attempts to give more weight to Blofeld failed a bit for me, and he disappointingly ended up a not really memorable Bond villain because he never really did anything. Which is really a damn shame.

Also, some scenes were a but dragged out. One being through the stylistic choices made during the Spectre grand meeting scene. Long passages where no one says anything, there's no music, nothing really happens. I get what they were going for, I absolutely do, but I think they took it a bit too far and the scene ended up being a bit dull. It ended in a very cool way though, with Blofeld announcing that he knew Bond was there watching. And when he turned his head and looked straight at him was really cool.

Unfortunately, what followed was a way too dragged out car chase. A car chase in a movie shouldn't feel slow, but something about it was just off.

The stand-out part of the movie though was the part at Blofeld's desert headquarter. The meteorite chamber, the Blofeld speeches, the torture scene, and then the escape, all really exciting stuff.

It is also clear that they wanted to have a "final movie" feel here. But again, nothing of real impact happened to reach that goal. Skyfall felt much more like a "the last movie".

This was me really focusing on the issues though. There is still a lot to enjoy about this movie though, and like I said in the beginning, I overall think this was a really good movie. And from a visual and productional stand point, it's brilliantly made. I'd rank it above Quantum of Solace (which I like more than most), but below both Casino Royal and Skyfall.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 01, 2015, 08:31:58 AM
Yes. If QoS was as good as Daniel Craig's other three - he'd be a sure fire contender for best bond ever.

As it is - QoS is merely good and not great whilst I think Casino Royale, Skyfall and Spectre are great.

But at least he didn't do Goldeneye and then follow it up with three duds.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on November 01, 2015, 08:42:33 AM
Yes. If QoS was as good as Daniel Craig's other three - he'd be a sure fire contender for best bond ever.

As it is - QoS is merely good and not great whilst I think Casino Royale, Skyfall and Spectre are great.

But at least he didn't do Goldeneye and then follow it up with three duds.

I thought Tomorrow Never Dies was ok-ish. Not what I'd call a dud, not great, but it had its moments. I won't argue on his last two, and I still haven't even seen Die Another Day. I'm fine to just cut my losses on that one.

As excellent as I think the new Bond movies are, Craig will never rank as a better Bond for me personally. The movies are great in spite of him, rather than because of him. Not a popular opinion I know, but he just falls flat for me. It's probably because of the era, but Brosnan will always be *my* Bond, it's just a shame they weren't all close to the standard of Goldeneye. Now, if we'd gotten movies like the new ones, but with a younger Brosnan instead of Craig, forget about it.

/controversial
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Post by: Phoenix87x on November 01, 2015, 08:48:01 AM

But at least he didn't do Goldeneye and then follow it up with three duds.

Very good point.

After goldeneye, I had such high expectations for the Pierce era. Sadly, it went very differently  :'(


Goldeneye  :hefdaddy Favorite bond film

Tomorrow never dies- Wacky, but entertaining. I dig it. Definitely a drop in quality from Goldeneye though.

The world is not enough- I find it very dull and I usually lose interest halfway through


(https://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc55/black_floyd_2007/vomit.gif) (https://s213.photobucket.com/user/black_floyd_2007/media/vomit.gif.html) Die another day :marriageanalogy:
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Post by: Kotowboy on November 01, 2015, 09:21:49 AM
Yes. If QoS was as good as Daniel Craig's other three - he'd be a sure fire contender for best bond ever.

As it is - QoS is merely good and not great whilst I think Casino Royale, Skyfall and Spectre are great.

But at least he didn't do Goldeneye and then follow it up with three duds.

I thought Tomorrow Never Dies was ok-ish. Not what I'd call a dud, not great, but it had its moments. I won't argue on his last two, and I still haven't even seen Die Another Day. I'm fine to just cut my losses on that one.

As excellent as I think the new Bond movies are, Craig will never rank as a better Bond for me personally. The movies are great in spite of him, rather than because of him. Not a popular opinion I know, but he just falls flat for me. It's probably because of the era, but Brosnan will always be *my* Bond, it's just a shame they weren't all close to the standard of Goldeneye. Now, if we'd gotten movies like the new ones, but with a younger Brosnan instead of Craig, forget about it.

/controversial

I loved Pierce Brosnan as Bond but it was a shame that 3/4 of his movies were not great. The World Is Not Enough was a bit better than Tomorrow Never Dies though.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: mrrct on November 01, 2015, 12:12:00 PM
The first is usually the best, except for a few rare exceptions (Harrison Ford better than Alec Baldwin in the Jack Ryan franchise, e.g., and even then it might just be a personal bias).  Connery was absolutely iconic in the role, even in mediocre films like "Diamonds Are Forever" and "Never Say Never Again (non-official, canon-wise)," and I'd rather see him than Lazenby, Moore, Dalton, Brosnan, or Craig, at least if he were not 86-years-old.  I like Craig's portrayal better than the other replacements because he is less of a pretty boy and rougher around the edges.  It's obvious that Craig has had the most to work with story-wise and production values-wise.

I think "Goldeneye" is actually a little overrated.  It was more akin to the tongue-in-cheek Moore films than the intense Dalton duo that preceded it, and I liked Famke Janssen's Xenia Onatopp more than anything else.  The other three were forgettable, although I liked Jonathon Pryce's Rupert Murdoch parody in "Tomorrow Never Dies."  "Die Another Day" was particularly stupid all the way around and was almost a remake of "Diamonds Are Forever" in some respects (Doomday Device powered by diamonds, villain hiding by creating plastic surgery-created body doubles or by farsical gene manipulation, etc.).
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Post by: Zantera on November 01, 2015, 12:19:06 PM
If you guys had to pick, what would be your top 3 Bond films?

I'd go with Casino Royale, Golden Eye and License to Kill.
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Post by: Kotowboy on November 01, 2015, 12:22:50 PM
If you guys had to pick, what would be your top 3 Bond films?

I'd go with Casino Royale, Golden Eye and License to Kill.

I can't remember all 24 but right now :

1. Goldeneye
2. Casino Royale
3. Skyfall / Spectre / A View To A Kill
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Post by: ozzy554 on November 01, 2015, 12:44:25 PM
1. On her Majestys Secret Service
2. Thunderball
3. Licence to Kill
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Post by: Polarbear on November 01, 2015, 12:58:42 PM
If you guys had to pick, what would be your top 3 Bond films?

I'd go with Casino Royale, Golden Eye and License to Kill.

Tough question! Right now, i would go with these 3.

1. Thunderball
2. The Spy Who Loved Me
3. Goldeneye
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Post by: BlackInk on November 01, 2015, 01:04:10 PM
1. Skyfall
2. Casino Royal
3. Spectre

I have seen one non-Craig Bond movie, which was Die Another Day.
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Post by: mrrct on November 01, 2015, 01:14:17 PM
Overall:
1. Casino Royale
2. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
3. Skyfall

Moore Films:
1. For Your Eyes Only (the least ridiculous Moore film + the end of Blofeld)
2. The Spy Who Loved Me (overrated by some; loved the visual of Jaws eating the shark instead of the other way around)
3. A View To A Kill (thanks to Christopher Walken and the Duran Duran theme song)
4. The Man With The Golden Gun (almost entirely thanks to Christopher Lee)
5. Live And Let Die (a Blaxploitation film that included James Bond)
6. Moonraker (laser guns? seriously?)
7. Octopussy (James Bond in a clown suit; need I say more?)

Connery Films:
1. From Russia With Love (good story and strong supporting characters in Tatiana Romanova, Red Grant, Rosa Krebb, and Al Kerim Bey)
2. Goldfinger (excellent but could have used better production values, especially when the plane was going down)
3. Thunderball (fairly boring, interminable underwater scenes)
4. You Only Live Twice (mostly for the unveiling of Donald Pleasance's Blofeld; otherwise stupid)
5. Dr. No (boring as shit, except for how Connery carried himself and Ursula Andress coming out of the water)
6. Never Say Never Again (Barbara Carrera was the best part of this Thunderball remake)
7. Diamonds Are Forever (not serious enough, especially following OHMSS)

Brosnan Films:
1. Goldeneye (the only good one, really)
2. Tomorrow Never Dies (so-so in all respects: story, Bond girls; Jonathan Pryce the only standout)
3. The World Is Not Enough (all downhill after the pre-title sequence; stupid villains, Denise Richards as a nuclear physicist)
4. Die Another Day (very little good to say about it)

Dalton Films:
1. Licence to Kill (good revenge story, entertaining villain in Robert Davi's Sanchez)
2. The Living Daylights (nothing terrible but nothing terribly memorable either; Bond gets the least action he ever has, sexually)

Craig Films:
1. Casino Royale (the best film in the entire series)
2. Skyfall (Bond the most vulnerable he's ever been to this point)
3. Quantum of Solace (underrated by some; not to the level of the other 2 Craig films; liked the understated villain, Dominic Green)

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 01, 2015, 01:20:20 PM
Dominic Green is just Tony Blair :lol
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Post by: mrrct on November 01, 2015, 01:46:14 PM
I like that he's not a megalomaniac like most Bond villains:  he isn't planning on starting World War III or have some ridiculous, grandiose scheme for controlling the world with one foul deed.  He is willing to do a little at a time, with the accumulation of little goals (like controlling Bolivia's water supply) leading to ultimate power for Quantum (or SPECTRE, if Quantum is only a subsidiary).  Plus, he isn't over the top like almost all Bond villains.  He is much like the actor's character in "Munich," in terms of delivery and overall tendencies.  Those are the only two films I've ever seen the actor in:  maybe that is all he is capable of playing.
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Post by: Kotowboy on November 01, 2015, 01:49:47 PM
I know now after seeing World War Z never to watch another Marc Foster action pic :lol
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Post by: Kotowboy on November 01, 2015, 01:54:27 PM
Compare the car chase scene in the opening of Quantum of Solace to the big air-battle at the end of Avatar.

Such a difference. James Cameron shows you what's going on and doesn't need to do extreme close ups with shaky cam to make it more exciting.

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Post by: Cool Chris on November 01, 2015, 08:40:09 PM
I think "Goldeneye" is actually a little overrated.  It was more akin to the tongue-in-cheek Moore films....

I think that was part of its charm. They were definitely embracing it. Robbie Coltrain at the first meeting, quoting Bond's "Shaken, not stirred" and having a chuckle with his henchmen. The wronged villain seeking revenge is an oft-used character, but I love Sean Bean, and having an ex-00 agent going after Bond and his beloved England made for a good storyline, along with the end of the cold war background. Bond movies are often as strong, or weak, as his antagonist. I feel that is very pronounced in the Craig films. I cannot remember a thing about QoS's villain, and I can barely remember anything about the film itself.

I think Bond movies always had an element of fun to them. At least the best ones. Some of them took it too far, others maybe not far enough.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on November 01, 2015, 09:26:34 PM
I think Bond movies always had an element of fun to them. At least the best ones. Some of them took it too far, others maybe not far enough.


It's just a matter of personal preference where that line is. Personally I enjoy the escapism of Bond, so I like the fun element as long as it doesn't undermine the story. I enjoy the serious side too, but Craig is too serious a Bond for me, and I think he falls so flat on the one liners where other Bonds would have eaten it up.

After the under-performance of the two Dalton movies, I'd say they wanted to bring more balance back to the franchise with Goldeneye, and I think they struck the perfect balance there. Not that I'm criticizing the Dalton movies, as I thought they were great, and thought he was a great Bond too, but I think the timing just wasn't right for Dalton or that style unfortunately.

It's been a while since I've seen many of the films so this is from memory and in no particular order for favourites-

The Spy Who Loved Me
Goldfinger
Goldeneye
License To Kill
Casino Royal or Skyfall

I didn't even intend for that to be basically one per Bond, but it ended up that way. :lol
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Post by: Cool Chris on November 01, 2015, 10:52:09 PM
After the under-performance of the two Dalton movies, I'd say they wanted to bring more balance back to the franchise with Goldeneye, and I think they struck the perfect balance there. Not that I'm criticizing the Dalton movies, as I thought they were great, and thought he was a great Bond too, but I think the timing just wasn't right for Dalton or that style unfortunately.

Watching those movies now just feel like watching any generic 80s action movie. The Brosnan movies bought back some of the international spy movie feel, which gives them that feel of coming back to form. Then it got a little ridiculous with something seemingly blow up every 2 minutes, which is a by-product of our current movie-going Michael Bay, shaky-camera, explosions everywhere sensibilities. And it had to compete with Jason Bourne who let Bond know he wasn't the only spy in town.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 01, 2015, 10:57:42 PM
I remember License to Kill better than The Living Daylights, but I don't think it felt like a generic '80s action movie, it was definitely more stripped back and serious though. But so was Casino Royale. I don't know, as I said, there's a lot of personal preference in where the line is with the balance of elements, given how many different interpretations we've had of the character now in 50+ years.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on November 02, 2015, 02:59:20 AM
I think Dalton is the most underrated Bond. Especially License to Kill which essentially was almost 20 years before its time. It's a darker and more serious Bond, and much closer to the Craig-Bond than anything else we had seen at that point.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: mrrct on November 04, 2015, 03:14:00 PM
Dalton is the most like the Bond from the books (or at least the two Fleming novels that I have read).
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: jammindude on November 06, 2015, 11:45:21 PM
Wow....watching QoS for the first time.

Has anyone noticed this??

(https://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r47/jammindude/Mangini-Head-Shot-Web-Res1_zpsdpkgigry.jpg~original)

(https://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r47/jammindude/mathieu-amalric-echa-louis-garrel-venus-T-XJG8WM_zpsu3oht9zo.jpeg~original)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 07, 2015, 05:20:17 AM
They don't look that similar to me.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ozzy554 on November 07, 2015, 12:01:34 PM
Just watched Casino Royale and I really liked it. Craigs bond reminds me of Timothy dalton.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 07, 2015, 03:05:03 PM
I like quantum of solace, but I really think the villain is weak. Like as in literally weak. 

Like watching this final scene.

(https://s.hswstatic.com/gif/quantum-of-solace-4.jpg)


I was shocked that Bond didn't beat the living shit out of him in like two seconds. Going up against someone like 006 or the SPECTRE agent in From Russia with love, I can understand, but not this little dude.

(https://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/reviews/196/1238085494_2.jpg)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 07, 2015, 03:56:31 PM
Finally saw Spectre and I absolutely loved it. I seriously don't know why some critics are ripping it to shreds, it's an excellent Bond movie. So many parts reminded me of classic Bond. Definitely seeing it again a couple more times lol
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on November 08, 2015, 03:31:56 AM
It definetely doesn't deserve being "ripped to shreds", because I agree that it was a good movie, but it did have some issues.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 08, 2015, 03:48:14 AM
Anyone who is ripping this to shreds is just doing it for the sake of it. I think it had less contrivances than the last film.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on November 08, 2015, 04:11:03 AM
I've never seen a James Bond movie, nor the classic ones, neither the recent ones. Any suggestions on where to start? it doesn't even have to be a Sean Connery one, would I ruin my idea of these movies if I start with the Daniel Craig ones?
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 08, 2015, 04:22:17 AM
No since the Daniel Craig ones are starting over so to speak. Not doing exact stories as Connery but dropping in same characters here and there.

The only weird thing is having Judi Dench as M for both Pierce Brosnan and the "rebooted" series.

I would suggest working backwards. See all of Craig's then Brosnans then Dalton's pair :zydar: then Moore and finally Lazenby and Connery.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on November 08, 2015, 04:39:20 AM
Anyone who is ripping this to shreds is just doing it for the sake of it. I think it had less contrivances than the last film.

I think I'd agree, but that's not really where Spectre's issues are. Thematically and emotionally, Skyfall is a much more complete and focused film. Compared to that, Spectre can feel a bit jumbled, drawn out, and rushed at the same time.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 08, 2015, 04:41:13 AM
I've never seen a James Bond movie, nor the classic ones, neither the recent ones. Any suggestions on where to start? it doesn't even have to be a Sean Connery one, would I ruin my idea of these movies if I start with the Daniel Craig ones?

You can start basically anywhere with Bond, since there's not much in terms of continuity (except for the Craig ones to some degree). Starting with Casino Royale wouldn't give the entire picture as far as the tone of previous Bond movies (which is fine), but it would nonetheless still be a perfectly good place to start, and is a great movie that is fairly universally liked.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on November 08, 2015, 04:46:50 AM
I'd say Casino Royale is a good starting point if you want to get up to date fairly quickly, but you can really start anywhere. As someone who grew up with Bond, those older movies have a charm to them, but they are definitely a reflection of the time they were made in. I think some people who haven't grown up with Bond, might have a hard time liking some of the older ones. They're kinda cheesy. But the different actors who have portrayed Bond have all brought different qualities, so you could try and sample a bit, watch a movie with each one and see who you like the most, and want to see more from.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 08, 2015, 07:51:25 AM
Connery : You Only Live Twice

Moore : View To A Kill / Live & Let Die

Dalton : Licence To Kill ( pretty close tonally to the Craig movies )

Lazenby : OHMSS :p ( his only role )

Brosnan : Goldeneye ( same director as Casino Royale and one of the top 3 bond movies ever )

Craig : Casino Royale. ( You kind of have to watch all of his in order as there is a kind of arc to them. )

 
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 08, 2015, 07:52:50 AM
I'd go with-

Connery : Goldfinger

Moore : The Spy Who Loved Me

Dalton : Licence To Kill

Brosnan : Goldeneye

Craig : Casino Royale
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 08, 2015, 08:08:09 AM
When I think of You Only Live Twice - I think of Little Nellie and *that* score. :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnmau8_iypw


Is that rear projection ? It doesn't look like a matte and i'm not sure when chromakey started happening in films...
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on November 08, 2015, 08:21:50 AM
Ok, thanks for the suggestions!  :tup
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 08, 2015, 10:44:50 AM
I've never seen a James Bond movie, nor the classic ones, neither the recent ones. Any suggestions on where to start? it doesn't even have to be a Sean Connery one, would I ruin my idea of these movies if I start with the Daniel Craig ones?

Watch the entire series in order  ;D
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 08, 2015, 02:32:45 PM
I've never seen a James Bond movie, nor the classic ones, neither the recent ones. Any suggestions on where to start? it doesn't even have to be a Sean Connery one, would I ruin my idea of these movies if I start with the Daniel Craig ones?

I would recommend starting with Goldeneye. Not super old, not super new. A nice balance and my favorite

 From there I would say either go down 1 of 2 roads:


A) to Casino royale and forward in time

Or

B) Go back to Dr. No and go forward from there


either way, the James Bond series is badass and needs to be experienced.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 08, 2015, 02:34:14 PM
The only one i've never seen is OHMSS. Mainly because it was the thing when I was growing up that it was terrible and Lazenby was a rubbish Bond.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: mrrct on November 08, 2015, 02:56:12 PM
Wrong on both counts (not you, public perception).
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on November 08, 2015, 03:16:55 PM
I think OHMSS is probably the biggest gem in the Bond-catalogue and used to be overlooked and made fun of, but I think the more time has passed, the more people have started to appreciate it. When I was young, my parents always made fun of OHMSS, my dad loving the Moore-bond and my mom loving the Connery-bond, and they both joked about Lazenby being "too bad to make another one". I bought into that as a kid, because knowing the others had made several films, it came off as a failure that this guy only made ONE, and then was replaced. As I got older I learned more about the story behind it, why he didn't return, and it was one of the last Bond-films I saw out of the pre-Craig ones, and it's actually really good.

As much as I appreciate all eras of Bond, OHMSS would be in my top5 Bond films. I think there are some rose tinted glasses involved and I don't think my example with my parents is unusual, I think a lot of people dismiss Lazenby and OHMSS simply because it's the one-off film.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 08, 2015, 03:49:33 PM
OHMSS gets a lot of shit, but I think its fairly interesting and definitely worth watching.

 By the time I watched YOLT, I was feeling pretty tired of the series. OHMSS is so wildly different, and I like that.

The one thing that really screwed me up was watching it as a kid I got confused thinking that Bond was a code name since on the beach he strait up goes "this never happened to the other fella". I was like what the hell? Is this James Bond or just a new guy that took the code name, but I was really young.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ozzy554 on November 09, 2015, 08:56:12 AM
Considering that OHMSS was Lazenbys first acting job he wasnt really that bad. He did nail that ending scene though. If he had done more than one film I think he would've grown into the role quite nicely.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Podaar on November 09, 2015, 09:07:32 AM
SPOILERS FOR SPECTRE FOLLOWS



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Saw the movie yesterday, and while I'd say that it is definetely a good movie, it was a bit of a disappointment. It also made some weird choices at times.

Let's talk the villain first, which is the main problem with the movie. Waltz does an excellent job with the role he's given, but the role itself isn't as impactful as it feels like they wanted it to. Silva was way more threatening and intense. Le Chiffre was also a much better villain overall. They tried to tie it all together and make Blofeld a bigger presence as a villain by having him be behind the events of all the previous movies. And while I think stuff like that is cool, the execution of that idea was a bit underwhelming. I didn't really get the connection between the various villains over the years. Le Chiffre and Mr White I can sort of get, but it's still pretty flimsy. And was Quantum a sub-organisation of Spectre? I guess, but why? What's the difference between those two groups? The movie never really attempts to explain. And Blofeld was connected to Silva? Same as the other movies, there is no hint at a higher power in Skyfall, so it just seems like an afterthought.

Blofeld also says at some point that he was responsible for the women in his life dying, specifically Vesper and M. Vesper died from drowning in a sinking building. Did Blofeld plan that? I don't see how he could. Also, it was Silva's plan to kill M, which might have benefitted Spectre. But Blofeld makes it sound like M dying was a punishment because Bond interfered with his work. But Silva's plan to kill M had already started before Bond had interfered. And it was super personal for Silva, he would probably have done that anyways, Bond interfering or not.

Also, he causes no damage for Bond himself in the movie. Nothing of real consequence happens here. The drilling into the skull torture scene was certainly intense, but it resulted in nothing. There was the idea that Bond might lose the ability to recognize faces, which would have been huge, but that didn't happen... for some reason... despite Blofeld actually doing the thing that was supposed to make that happen.

So all of those attempts to give more weight to Blofeld failed a bit for me, and he disappointingly ended up a not really memorable Bond villain because he never really did anything. Which is really a damn shame.

Also, some scenes were a but dragged out. One being through the stylistic choices made during the Spectre grand meeting scene. Long passages where no one says anything, there's no music, nothing really happens. I get what they were going for, I absolutely do, but I think they took it a bit too far and the scene ended up being a bit dull. It ended in a very cool way though, with Blofeld announcing that he knew Bond was there watching. And when he turned his head and looked straight at him was really cool.

Unfortunately, what followed was a way too dragged out car chase. A car chase in a movie shouldn't feel slow, but something about it was just off.

The stand-out part of the movie though was the part at Blofeld's desert headquarter. The meteorite chamber, the Blofeld speeches, the torture scene, and then the escape, all really exciting stuff.

It is also clear that they wanted to have a "final movie" feel here. But again, nothing of real impact happened to reach that goal. Skyfall felt much more like a "the last movie".

This was me really focusing on the issues though. There is still a lot to enjoy about this movie though, and like I said in the beginning, I overall think this was a really good movie. And from a visual and productional stand point, it's brilliantly made. I'd rank it above Quantum of Solace (which I like more than most), but below both Casino Royal and Skyfall.

This is pretty close to how I felt.

*SPOILER*

The other thing that stood out to me was, there was zero chemistry between Craig and Seydoux. In fact, when she whispers that she loves him it seemed to come completely out of left field.

I had a decent time watching the movie, but I came away with no real anticipation of ever seeing it again. That may change.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Zantera on November 09, 2015, 09:25:38 AM
I thought the evolution of their relationship was more bizarre than the chemistry. Some mild spoilers ahead for those who haven't seen it and are touchy about spoilers (It's nothing too specific plot-wise, if you read it you would probably already have expected something like it to happen)

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED

So.. First she tells Bond to not touch her, or she will kill him. Slightly joking, but she keeps distance and their chemistry falls more under him helping her, rather than them having chemistry. They talk a little, but she still feels fairly distant. Bond gets into a fight scene, the scene ends.. she says "So what do we do now?" and cut to them making love. It came out of left field so bad that I burst out laughing. It was just so random, and in a way very typical to the cliched Bond image.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on November 09, 2015, 10:56:50 AM
I thought the evolution of their relationship was more bizarre than the chemistry.

So.. First she tells Bond to not touch her, or she will kill him. Slightly joking, but she keeps distance and their chemistry falls more under him helping her, rather than them having chemistry. They talk a little, but she still feels fairly distant. Bond gets into a fight scene, the scene ends.. she says "So what do we do now?" and cut to them making love. It came out of left field so bad that I burst out laughing. It was just so random, and in a way very typical to the cliched Bond image.

The other thing that stood out to me was, there was zero chemistry between Craig and Seydoux. In fact, when she whispers that she loves him it seemed to come completely out of left field.

Yeah, it was clear that they wanted to make her the new Vesper, only it didn't come off half as believable. I would agree with Zantera though, it was more the relationship arc that was the problem though, rather than the chemistry. Up until the random train sex, I was quite enjoying what they had going on.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Accelerando on November 10, 2015, 11:48:26 PM
Just saw Spectre today, and I absolutely loved it. In some ways, it's a better film than Skyfall, but it's no Casino Royale. I loved the classic Bond feel to the movie, from the helicopter fight to the train fight. I nearly lost it at the end of the film when Blofeld looks at Bond and Swann, nearly foreshadowing the events that happens in On Her Majesty's Secret Service. While I think they shouldn't remake OHMSS, it would be interesting if the plot point of killing Bond's wife, presumably Swann in this case, could be a driving factor for the next movie.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 12, 2015, 06:53:13 AM
POSSIBLE SPOILERS BELOW OR WHATEVER


Spectre opened today here, so I finally saw it. I agree with basically all of BlackInk's points, but I still thought it was a great movie. Tying together the previous movies was a nice idea, but I didn't feel it did anything in the execution to make it work if you actually watched the previous movies back.
The main villain became prominent only very late in the piece, so I didn't feel much about that. I also wish Batista lasted a bit longer (and wishful thinking, they could potentially bring him back since he could have easily lived).

It didn't feel like as long a movie as it was, and the pacing was good. I think I enjoyed it a bit more than Skyfall, obviously more than QoS. It's been too long since I've seen Casino Royale, so I can't fairly compare them, but this was another good addition to Craig's era.

If this is Craig's last movie, I thought it was a nice ending. I really hope he doesn't do any more, because it was written as an ending, and I don't want anything resembling OHMSS for the next one.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 12, 2015, 09:32:02 AM
If DC does another one - people are just gonna go into it expecting THAT twist... That is - if Lea Seydoux is even in it.

There's plenty of Bond movies where the Antagonist is revealed very late in the game only to die a short time after. I don't see the big deal.

He was more of a presence in Spectre. Not the End Of Game Boss © of the movie.

Plus he's not even dead - he can easily come back and cause more aggro.

Although I did wonder why they didn't explain why the drill in Bond's brain didn't do what Blofeld said it would. He probably just "did it wrong".
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 12, 2015, 09:41:30 AM
Although I did wonder why they didn't explain why the drill in Bond's brain didn't do what Blofeld said it would. He probably just "did it wrong".

That really should have been explained, because I have no idea what was intended with that. There's no indication the guy did it wrong, or that there was a reasonable chance it might not work. It was just like "I recognize you", "ok".
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 12, 2015, 09:55:31 AM
I dislike torture scenes in general but that one wasn't as hard to watch as the one in Casino Royale.

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 12, 2015, 09:57:16 AM
Which is funny, because I had no problem at all with the one in Casino Royale, but this one made me really squeamish and tense to watch. But I have a thing about seeing people get any kind of needle in TV/film, so a drill to the side of the head and neck, nuh uh. :lol
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 12, 2015, 10:02:48 AM
I was just on the forum on SPECTRE on Imdb looking for other people's opinion.

Every other topic is OMFG WORST BOND MOVIE OF ALL TIME.

It's like. That's clearly not true. Stop being an obvious troll and go play in the street.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 12, 2015, 10:07:04 AM
It's not even the worst Bond movie of this millennium. :lol
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 12, 2015, 10:09:01 AM
It's not even the worst Bond movie of this millennium. :lol

I know they're only doing it for attention but : DANIEL CRAIG WORST BOND EVER. LAST FOUR MOVIES NOT BOND. ALL SHIT. SAM MENDES RUINED MY LIFE AND FUCKED MY CAT.



Actually at least two of the last four are considered some of the Best Bond's ever. :dunno:
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 12, 2015, 10:12:49 AM
It's not even the worst Bond movie of this millennium. :lol

I know they're only doing it for attention but : DANIEL CRAIG WORST BOND EVER. LAST FOUR MOVIES NOT BOND. ALL SHIT. SAM MENDES RUINED MY LIFE AND FUCKED MY CAT.



Actually at least two of the last four are considered some of the Best Bond's ever. :dunno:

I totally understand not liking Daniel Craig, as me and my brother both still dislike him as Bond, yet we still think the movies are mostly great. It's amazing how much enjoyment you can get when you actually give things a chance and go in with an open mind.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 12, 2015, 10:14:39 AM
I always do that. Even when my bro and I went to see Total Recall 2012 and RoboCop 2014.

We both said afterwards that we enjoyed RoboCop 2014 actually quite a bit.

Total Recall 2012 was tripe but at least we had fun laughing at it afterwards :lol

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 12, 2015, 10:19:41 AM
I still haven't gotten around to watching the new Robocop. One of these days! More often than not, when I go into a movie I expect to suck, I end up at least enjoying it.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 12, 2015, 10:30:09 AM
Went into Robocop2014 with an open mind. I actually wanted to enjoy it. And I was actually surprised.

It wasn't *just* a shitty slap dash Hollywood soul-less remake.

It actually said something new that the original didn't.

it didn't shit all over the source material like Total Recall 2012 did. It was clearly made with reverence to the original BUT STILL made it's own movie.

It has Alex Murphy of course, ED-209s, OCP and a partner called Lewis.

That's where the similarities end. I think they did the right thing of - if you're doing a remake - make it more of a sequel and completely do your own thing.

Total Recall 2012 was just slot in all the things people remember from the original - change everything for no good reason and completely balls it up.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on November 12, 2015, 11:19:00 AM
Which is funny, because I had no problem at all with the one in Casino Royale, but this one made me really squeamish and tense to watch. But I have a thing about seeing people get any kind of needle in TV/film, so a drill to the side of the head and neck, nuh uh. :lol

Yeah, this for me as well. The Spectre torture scene was more uncorfortable to sit through. But I do think the one in Casino Royal is a better scene overall.

He was more of a presence in Spectre. Not the End Of Game Boss © of the movie.

But was he though? It seems like they tried to make it feel that way, but that's just the thing, I never really felt him as a presence, as "the guy pulling the strings". They kept telling us he was, but I never felt it as much as they wanted me to. He never quite felt like a true threat and ultimately did nothing of true consequence, which is probably the biggest problem of the movie.

Silva is also a Bond villain that takes a long time to show up, but he felt much more like a threat. I don't know why, I haven't really thought about it that deeply, but that's a clear difference between the two in my mind.

And, I also liked the 2014 Robocop.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on November 12, 2015, 11:25:20 AM
Robocop 2014 had the best scene of any movie I saw that year :


SPOILER : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXOhIJg4B7k
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 13, 2015, 02:09:52 PM
SPOILERS FOR SPECTRE FOLLOWS



---------



Saw the movie yesterday, and while I'd say that it is definetely a good movie, it was a bit of a disappointment. It also made some weird choices at times.

Let's talk the villain first, which is the main problem with the movie. Waltz does an excellent job with the role he's given, but the role itself isn't as impactful as it feels like they wanted it to. Silva was way more threatening and intense. Le Chiffre was also a much better villain overall. They tried to tie it all together and make Blofeld a bigger presence as a villain by having him be behind the events of all the previous movies. And while I think stuff like that is cool, the execution of that idea was a bit underwhelming. I didn't really get the connection between the various villains over the years. Le Chiffre and Mr White I can sort of get, but it's still pretty flimsy. And was Quantum a sub-organisation of Spectre? I guess, but why? What's the difference between those two groups? The movie never really attempts to explain. And Blofeld was connected to Silva? Same as the other movies, there is no hint at a higher power in Skyfall, so it just seems like an afterthought.

Blofeld also says at some point that he was responsible for the women in his life dying, specifically Vesper and M. Vesper died from drowning in a sinking building. Did Blofeld plan that? I don't see how he could. Also, it was Silva's plan to kill M, which might have benefitted Spectre. But Blofeld makes it sound like M dying was a punishment because Bond interfered with his work. But Silva's plan to kill M had already started before Bond had interfered. And it was super personal for Silva, he would probably have done that anyways, Bond interfering or not.

Also, he causes no damage for Bond himself in the movie. Nothing of real consequence happens here. The drilling into the skull torture scene was certainly intense, but it resulted in nothing. There was the idea that Bond might lose the ability to recognize faces, which would have been huge, but that didn't happen... for some reason... despite Blofeld actually doing the thing that was supposed to make that happen.

So all of those attempts to give more weight to Blofeld failed a bit for me, and he disappointingly ended up a not really memorable Bond villain because he never really did anything. Which is really a damn shame.

Also, some scenes were a but dragged out. One being through the stylistic choices made during the Spectre grand meeting scene. Long passages where no one says anything, there's no music, nothing really happens. I get what they were going for, I absolutely do, but I think they took it a bit too far and the scene ended up being a bit dull. It ended in a very cool way though, with Blofeld announcing that he knew Bond was there watching. And when he turned his head and looked straight at him was really cool.

Unfortunately, what followed was a way too dragged out car chase. A car chase in a movie shouldn't feel slow, but something about it was just off.

The stand-out part of the movie though was the part at Blofeld's desert headquarter. The meteorite chamber, the Blofeld speeches, the torture scene, and then the escape, all really exciting stuff.

It is also clear that they wanted to have a "final movie" feel here. But again, nothing of real impact happened to reach that goal. Skyfall felt much more like a "the last movie".

This was me really focusing on the issues though. There is still a lot to enjoy about this movie though, and like I said in the beginning, I overall think this was a really good movie. And from a visual and productional stand point, it's brilliantly made. I'd rank it above Quantum of Solace (which I like more than most), but below both Casino Royal and Skyfall.
Saw it a couple of hours ago and I pretty much agree with all you said. It was good but some things really annoyed me.

Side note I found the Bond theme to be a bit better in the movie actually but still i'm not a big fan of it.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 13, 2015, 08:23:08 PM
I wish there was more action in the alps. That chase was my favorite part of the film but I wish it were longer by a few minutes.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on November 14, 2015, 01:10:03 AM
Side note I found the Bond theme to be a bit better in the movie actually but still i'm not a big fan of it.

I heard it the first time when I saw the movie, and I thought it worked really well.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on November 15, 2015, 07:35:45 PM
So Spectre. I'm still processing, and I think I'll have to see it again before really forming an opinion. Right now my off the cuff impression is that it's enjoyable but flawed.

I think one of the biggest issues with the film was that they couldn't decide on a tone. It was like they wanted to have a classic style James Bond adventure, but also have something dark and gritty. The result was pretty jarring at times. I think it would have worked better if they'd leaned more in either of those directions. I felt like Skyfall did a much better job of balancing the two sides.

Spoiler ahead;














My main issue was definitely with some of the reveals surrounding Blofeld. I really like Christoph Waltz, and I think he did a great job with the material he was given, but there was only so much he could do.
He really wasn't in it enough though. It's always great for Waltz to get more screentime, but more importantly, I really didn't feel like they built up his character properly, especially not the conflict between him and Bond. Sure, they told us that they had plenty of history, and that he did all sorts of stuff behind the scenes, but we never actually saw him do all that much. Because of that, he never felt properly threatening (and I think any gravity he had was entirely because of Waltz). It felt like we were supposed to grant the character and his place in the story a lot of weight just because we the audience know that James Bond and Blofeld were enemies in a bunch of the older films.

Also, was anyone at all surprised by the "my name is actually Ernst Stavros Blofeld" reveal? I feel like most of the audience reaction to that was "... wait, we weren't already supposed to know that?".

There was also the same issue with him that existed with Twoface in the Nolan Batman films. It's an iconic character from the series' history, so he shows up, but he's only actually around briefly and then is neutralized in some way.

By far though, the biggest issue I had; I really don't like the reveal that Blofeld and James Bond are basically adoptive brothers. I feel like that significantly cheapens a lot of the events of the previous films, and it makes Blofeld significantly less interesting and threatening. He's supposed to be the greatest criminal mastermind the world has ever known, and it turns out his entire career has just been to fuck with one dude because of daddy issues? Seriously? Blofeld is supposed to target James Bond because Bond keeps messing up his plans. Having them give him the motivation they gave him just makes it seem cartoonishly silly.



It's certainly not a terrible film by any means, but at the moment, it's competing with Quantum of Solace for weakest Craig era film in my opinion. It bums me out that I can't like it more, because I love this series, but they really just dropped the ball in a few crucial places.
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Post by: BlackInk on November 16, 2015, 12:13:07 AM
^ Yeah, basically my thoughts as well. Although I do think it's clearly better than QoS.
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Post by: jammindude on November 16, 2015, 09:21:54 PM
For once, I'm with the crowd.  :mehlin

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It was really good, and I really enjoyed it, but it fell short of expectations.    They were building up everything to this point, and so there is inherited expectation that it will be even better than Skyfall, and the villain even scarier (because, after all, Silva was only another pawn.  Blofeld is *THE GUY*)   But while I will echo everyone's statement that Waltz did an amazing job with what he was given, he simply wasn't given enough.   I also thought that not explaining why Bond didn't lose his ability to recognize people was a giant WTF moment.    My step son and I laughed our asses off at the "what shall we do now?" part.   (really a classic Bond moment.  We knew it was coming and laughed anyway)

However, I will go against the crowd on one point.   I *LOVED* the idea of them being adoptive brothers, and the fact that he was willing to kill his father over such thing just showed how deeply disturbed he was from a very early age.   "Son, I'm adopting this orphan in need.  Please accept as your brother."  "Wow dad, you need to DIE now."   Quite chilling actually.   And I thought it made the resentment much more deep-seated and personal.   
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Post by: TL on November 18, 2015, 10:45:44 AM
Right now, I feel like the best parts of Spectre were better than the best parts of Quantum of Solace, but the worst parts of Spectre were worse than the worst of QoS.

That reveal really didn't work for me.
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Post by: Onno on November 19, 2015, 01:47:07 AM
I really really enjoyed this movie, but Skyfall and Casino Royale were better. And I agree on the point that they should've done more with Waltz. He's a great actor but he just didn't get to develop his character.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 19, 2015, 10:36:26 AM
I really really enjoyed this movie, but Skyfall and Casino Royale were better. And I agree on the point that they should've done more with Waltz. He's a great actor but he just didn't get to develop his character.

That's what the next movie is for  :tup
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 19, 2015, 10:38:23 AM
I really really enjoyed this movie, but Skyfall and Casino Royale were better. And I agree on the point that they should've done more with Waltz. He's a great actor but he just didn't get to develop his character.

That's what the next movie is for  :tup
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 19, 2015, 10:38:47 AM
I really really enjoyed this movie, but Skyfall and Casino Royale were better. And I agree on the point that they should've done more with Waltz. He's a great actor but he just didn't get to develop his character.

That's what the next movie is for  :tup
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Post by: Kotowboy on November 19, 2015, 11:05:50 AM
I really really enjoyed this movie, but Skyfall and Casino Royale were better. And I agree on the point that they should've done more with Waltz. He's a great actor but he just didn't get to develop his character.

That's what the next movie is for  :tup


That's what the next movie is for  :tup
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: mrrct on November 19, 2015, 05:16:35 PM
If history is any indication (and they don't reboot the series for the next Bond actor), they will replace Waltz with another actor.  They didn't show him in From Russia With Love or Thunderball, had Donald Pleasance in You Only Live Twice, Telly Savalas in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, Charles Gray in Diamonds Are Forever, and somebody else in For Your Eyes Only.

The rationale behind replacing Blofeld in each movie was that they didn't want an actor that could overshadow Connery (as if).  In the novels, he was supposed to be a master of disguise who had plastic surgery and dropped or gained large amounts of weight.  The film makers replaced Felix Leiter for the exact same reason.
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Post by: TL on November 20, 2015, 08:12:38 AM
If history is any indication (and they don't reboot the series for the next Bond actor), they will replace Waltz with another actor.  They didn't show him in From Russia With Love or Thunderball, had Donald Pleasance in You Only Live Twice, Telly Savalas in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, Charles Gray in Diamonds Are Forever, and somebody else in For Your Eyes Only.

The rationale behind replacing Blofeld in each movie was that they didn't want an actor that could overshadow Connery (as if).  In the novels, he was supposed to be a master of disguise who had plastic surgery and dropped or gained large amounts of weight.  The film makers replaced Felix Leiter for the exact same reason.

I feel like that's something they couldn't really get away with these days. With the way film was back in the 60s and early 70s, most people would just say "sure, whatever" and go with it. That, combined with flat out not being able to see the films as often because of the lack of home video. Even by the Dalton era, it felt weird to have more than one Felix (though admittedly the second one they had was way better).

They kept the same actor for Felix in multiple Craig films, and the same "non-Felix CIA buddy" in the Brosnan films. I think if they do bring Blofeld back in the next film or two, it'll be Waltz again.

I've also heard that Blofeld's arc in Spectre was originally supposed to be across two films, so it would be interesting to see if they tried anything with that now.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: mrrct on November 20, 2015, 02:45:12 PM
If history is any indication (and they don't reboot the series for the next Bond actor), they will replace Waltz with another actor.  They didn't show him in From Russia With Love or Thunderball, had Donald Pleasance in You Only Live Twice, Telly Savalas in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, Charles Gray in Diamonds Are Forever, and somebody else in For Your Eyes Only.

The rationale behind replacing Blofeld in each movie was that they didn't want an actor that could overshadow Connery (as if).  In the novels, he was supposed to be a master of disguise who had plastic surgery and dropped or gained large amounts of weight.  The film makers replaced Felix Leiter for the exact same reason.

I feel like that's something they couldn't really get away with these days. With the way film was back in the 60s and early 70s, most people would just say "sure, whatever" and go with it. That, combined with flat out not being able to see the films as often because of the lack of home video. Even by the Dalton era, it felt weird to have more than one Felix (though admittedly the second one they had was way better).

They kept the same actor for Felix in multiple Craig films, and the same "non-Felix CIA buddy" in the Brosnan films. I think if they do bring Blofeld back in the next film or two, it'll be Waltz again.

I've also heard that Blofeld's arc in Spectre was originally supposed to be across two films, so it would be interesting to see if they tried anything with that now.

The Felix that was in License to Kill was also the Felix in Live and Let Die, so Jeffrey Wright wasn't the first person to play him twice.  Hopefully, they'll bring Waltz back.  If they show Craig the money, and he comes back, hopefully Waltz does too.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on November 21, 2015, 11:25:59 AM
If history is any indication (and they don't reboot the series for the next Bond actor), they will replace Waltz with another actor.  They didn't show him in From Russia With Love or Thunderball, had Donald Pleasance in You Only Live Twice, Telly Savalas in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, Charles Gray in Diamonds Are Forever, and somebody else in For Your Eyes Only.

The rationale behind replacing Blofeld in each movie was that they didn't want an actor that could overshadow Connery (as if).  In the novels, he was supposed to be a master of disguise who had plastic surgery and dropped or gained large amounts of weight.  The film makers replaced Felix Leiter for the exact same reason.

I feel like that's something they couldn't really get away with these days. With the way film was back in the 60s and early 70s, most people would just say "sure, whatever" and go with it. That, combined with flat out not being able to see the films as often because of the lack of home video. Even by the Dalton era, it felt weird to have more than one Felix (though admittedly the second one they had was way better).

They kept the same actor for Felix in multiple Craig films, and the same "non-Felix CIA buddy" in the Brosnan films. I think if they do bring Blofeld back in the next film or two, it'll be Waltz again.

I've also heard that Blofeld's arc in Spectre was originally supposed to be across two films, so it would be interesting to see if they tried anything with that now.

The Felix that was in License to Kill was also the Felix in Live and Let Die, so Jeffrey Wright wasn't the first person to play him twice.  Hopefully, they'll bring Waltz back.  If they show Craig the money, and he comes back, hopefully Waltz does too.
That's true too.
It was super weird for them to bring David Hedison back after such a long gap, but he was probably the best Felix up to that point, so I'm glad they did.

If Blofeld comes back in the next film or two, I really hope they bring back Waltz. I feel like he has a lot more to bring to the role than he was given the chance to.
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Post by: Onno on November 21, 2015, 02:56:45 PM
I agree. He's just a very good actor. I really like the way he played at the Spectre meeting scene and the scene where Bond was getting tortured.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 21, 2015, 03:57:19 PM
I agree. He's just a very good actor. I really like the way he played at the Spectre meeting scene and the scene where Bond was getting tortured.

I thought he was most menacing in the London finale, especially when they reveal him with the scar. Really good stuff!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: mrrct on November 21, 2015, 10:27:48 PM
If history is any indication (and they don't reboot the series for the next Bond actor), they will replace Waltz with another actor.  They didn't show him in From Russia With Love or Thunderball, had Donald Pleasance in You Only Live Twice, Telly Savalas in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, Charles Gray in Diamonds Are Forever, and somebody else in For Your Eyes Only.

The rationale behind replacing Blofeld in each movie was that they didn't want an actor that could overshadow Connery (as if).  In the novels, he was supposed to be a master of disguise who had plastic surgery and dropped or gained large amounts of weight.  The film makers replaced Felix Leiter for the exact same reason.

I feel like that's something they couldn't really get away with these days. With the way film was back in the 60s and early 70s, most people would just say "sure, whatever" and go with it. That, combined with flat out not being able to see the films as often because of the lack of home video. Even by the Dalton era, it felt weird to have more than one Felix (though admittedly the second one they had was way better).

They kept the same actor for Felix in multiple Craig films, and the same "non-Felix CIA buddy" in the Brosnan films. I think if they do bring Blofeld back in the next film or two, it'll be Waltz again.

I've also heard that Blofeld's arc in Spectre was originally supposed to be across two films, so it would be interesting to see if they tried anything with that now.

The Felix that was in License to Kill was also the Felix in Live and Let Die, so Jeffrey Wright wasn't the first person to play him twice.  Hopefully, they'll bring Waltz back.  If they show Craig the money, and he comes back, hopefully Waltz does too.
That's true too.
It was super weird for them to bring David Hedison back after such a long gap, but he was probably the best Felix up to that point, so I'm glad they did.

If Blofeld comes back in the next film or two, I really hope they bring back Waltz. I feel like he has a lot more to bring to the role than he was given the chance to.

I always loved the note that Robert Davi's Sanchez character left on Hedison's in-shock Leiter.  "He disagreed with something that ate him."

Hawaii Five-0's Jack Lord was the first Leiter in Dr. No.  Most of the others were no-names, other than Bernie Casey in the semi-official Never Say Never Again.  I thought Hedison was a little too over the top, but maybe it just seemed that way because all of the other Leiters were more or less invisible.  I'd say Jeffrey Wright is my favorite.  Then again, Judi Dench was my favorite M, and Naomie Harris is my favorite Moneypenny, so I'm biased towards the Craig-era in general.  I would have liked to have seen John Cleese play Q more often, and not give Bond invisible cars, but because he was only there twice (once as M) I still have to stick with Desmond Llewelyn as the best.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Nihil-Morari on November 22, 2015, 04:18:02 AM
(https://www.vogue.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/24/lea-seydoux-beauty.jpg)

After watching the movie last night, I've fallen totally and utterly in love with this woman. I guess I'm not the only one though.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Nihil-Morari on November 22, 2015, 04:18:35 AM
Oh yeah and the movie was cool too. Lot of potential, didn't really make the most of it though.
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Post by: abydos on November 22, 2015, 10:24:19 PM
Haven't watched Spectre, just dropping by to share an opinion I recently realized I had - Craig is awesome as Bond, but the movies with him are pretty bad. They lack charm, charisma. They feel like Bondified Bourn Identity but the only saving grace in them are Craig and him kicking some ass.
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Post by: Kotowboy on May 19, 2016, 03:54:43 AM
So Daniel Craig turned down a whopping $70m to return as Bond in two more films - saying " he's done ".

Who's the next 007 ? Cast your vote now !

Henry Cavill ? Oh God - we don't need a dark miserable emo Bond.

Tom Hiddleston ? Too scrawny ?
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Post by: BlobVanDam on May 19, 2016, 03:57:57 AM
It was actually pounds, so that's insane. He said he didn't want to return after Spectre, so this isn't a surprise.
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Post by: Zantera on May 19, 2016, 03:59:18 AM
Henry Cavill would probably be a great pick. Not basing that on Man of Steel, but he plays a similar kind of role in Man from UNCLE and he really had that charm that Bond has, and he played a convincing spy.
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Post by: Kotowboy on May 19, 2016, 04:03:43 AM
I always thought that Sam Neill would be a good Bond back in the day.

I'd love Idiris Elba to do it. He is full of charisma.
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Post by: abydos on May 19, 2016, 07:21:15 AM
Leonardo DiCaprio.
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Post by: Zantera on May 19, 2016, 08:03:56 AM
Leonardo DiCaprio.

Not british enough
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Post by: Kotowboy on May 19, 2016, 09:01:22 AM
Leonardo DiCaprio.

Plus we already have Inception.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on May 19, 2016, 09:02:10 AM
It's amazing how much enjoyment you can get when you actually give things a chance and go in with an open mind.

Like Into Darkness ? :neverusethis: :vomitard:
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Post by: Kotowboy on May 19, 2016, 09:03:24 AM
It was actually pounds, so that's insane. He said he didn't want to return after Spectre, so this isn't a surprise.

He said that 2 years filming a Bond movie is utterly draining.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on May 19, 2016, 09:05:29 AM
I said an open mind, not no mind. :neverusethis:

So, how long before they cast a new Bond?
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Post by: BlackInk on May 19, 2016, 09:22:33 AM
Henry Cavill is a good actor, but he doesn't quite feel like Bond to me. Then again, I haven't seen Man From UNCLE yet.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on May 19, 2016, 09:49:25 AM
Cumberbatch.
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Post by: Kotowboy on May 19, 2016, 10:14:03 AM
Cumberbatch.

Maybe but I think he's also too scrawny. He could bulk up I guess. He had to for Khan.
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Post by: ariich on May 19, 2016, 01:34:03 PM
Cumberbatch.

Maybe but I think he's also too scrawny. He could bulk up I guess. He had to for Khan.
I don't think Bond needs to be STACKED. Hiddlestone for example would be absolutely fine in that regard.
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Post by: Kotowboy on May 19, 2016, 02:07:52 PM
Not Dave Bautusta stacked but not a scrawny thin dude who doesn't look like he could handle himself in a punch up.
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Post by: The Trooper on May 19, 2016, 02:47:51 PM
Edris would be my pick. But lots of people may have a hard time dealing with that, :sad:.. Bale could be a choice.
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Post by: Kotowboy on May 19, 2016, 02:53:31 PM
Fuck anyone who can't handle a black Bond. Idris Elba is awesome.


Also : (https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/79/590x/CUMBER1-426871.jpg)
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Post by: abydos on May 19, 2016, 03:04:55 PM
Well now, lets stick to the general description of the character.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 19, 2016, 03:22:59 PM
That's a really cool pic of Cumberbatch. Very Bond-y.

I'm back and forth on the whole Idris Elba as Bond thing. I used to be all for it, then I wasn't sure, then I was for it again. I don't know. I love the guy as an actor, but right now I just can't decide.
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Post by: The Trooper on May 19, 2016, 03:23:04 PM
Fuck anyone who can't handle a black Bond. Idris Elba is awesome.



Agree 100% . I think he would be great. and fuck anyone that can not get over that.

I think Cumberbatch would be a good choice, but his schedule will not permit a 2 year shooting schedule especially since he is signed for Infinity Wars.
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Post by: The Trooper on May 19, 2016, 03:24:32 PM
Well now, lets stick to the general description of the character.

No offense meant............but clarify?
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Post by: Kotowboy on May 19, 2016, 03:27:06 PM
Fuck anyone who can't handle a black Bond. Idris Elba is awesome.



Agree 100% . I think he would be great. and fuck anyone that can not get over that.

I think Cumberbatch would be a good choice, but his schedule will not permit a 2 year shooting schedule especially since he is signed for Infinity Wars.


And Sherlock.


And he just signed on for Star Trek 4 : Return to Darkness.





( yes i'm joking ).
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Post by: Adami on May 19, 2016, 03:28:43 PM
Fuck anyone who can't handle a black Bond. Idris Elba is awesome.



Agree 100% . I think he would be great. and fuck anyone that can not get over that.

I think Cumberbatch would be a good choice, but his schedule will not permit a 2 year shooting schedule especially since he is signed for Infinity Wars.


And Sherlock.


And he just signed on for Star Trek 4 : Return to Darkness.





( yes i'm joking ).


I thought it was called "Star Trek 4: Still in darkness because it's god damn dark and we can't figure out how to escape.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on May 19, 2016, 03:29:46 PM
Star Trek 4 : The Revenge of Harrison
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Post by: The Trooper on May 19, 2016, 03:34:32 PM
Star Trek 4 : The Revenge of Harrison

 :omg: ;)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: abydos on May 19, 2016, 04:05:11 PM
Well now, lets stick to the general description of the character.

No offense meant............but clarify?
He's black and getting a bit too old for the role. Not a fan of token race/gender changes in general that won't add/improve anything to the story. If possible, they should try to stick with casts and mood as close to the source as possible, and now that the Craig version has become the closest to what appears to be the original Flemming version of the character, I would like them to stick to that. Ultimately, I don't care, it's just a slight preference that I have.
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Post by: Kotowboy on May 19, 2016, 04:06:33 PM
I like Elba as an actor. I think he'd be a good Bond.
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Post by: kingshmegland on May 19, 2016, 04:15:11 PM
Cumberbatch.

Maybe but I think he's also too scrawny. He could bulk up I guess. He had to for Khan.
I don't think Bond needs to be STACKED. Hiddlestone for example would be absolutely fine in that regard.

I would love seeing Hiddlestone in the Bond role.
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Post by: The Trooper on May 19, 2016, 04:24:54 PM
Well now, lets stick to the general description of the character.

No offense meant............but clarify?
He's black and getting a bit too old for the role. Not a fan of token race/gender changes in general that won't add/improve anything to the story. If possible, they should try to stick with casts and mood as close to the source as possible, and now that the Craig version has become the closest to what appears to be the original Flemming version of the character, I would like them to stick to that. Ultimately, I don't care, it's just a slight preference that I have.

Point taken. Thank you on the clarification :tup. Let us agree to disagree.
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Post by: abydos on May 19, 2016, 04:37:07 PM
Oh, Idris Elba is amazing, it's just on principle that I prefer such changes to not take place. Usually they are just made for reasons that do not benefit the end product. Either way, it would be Bond and I will watch it.

If by any chance he gets the role (i don't think his schedule will permit it regardless) then they MUST cast Ruth Wilson as the bond girl / villain :D
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on May 19, 2016, 04:45:12 PM
Oh, Idris Elba is amazing, it's just on principle that I prefer such changes to not take place. Usually they are just made for reasons that do not benefit the end product. Either way, it would be Bond and I will watch it.

If by any chance he gets the role (i don't think his schedule will permit it regardless) then they MUST cast Ruth Wilson as the bond girl / villain :D

 Again thanks for the reply. Again I appreciate where you are coming from. All my point was is I think he could do the part well, as Bond. race aside.

I was thinking rather than Wilson that Betty White could do. Just sayin

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Post by: kingshmegland on May 19, 2016, 05:31:53 PM
Betty could go with her name from the SNL skit.  It's a perfect Bond girl name. 

Dusty Muffins. :lol
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Post by: The Trooper on May 19, 2016, 05:41:41 PM
Betty could go with her name from the SNL skit.  It's a perfect Bond girl name. 

Dusty Muffins. :lol

Exactly. I bet she would do it too
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Post by: orcus116 on May 19, 2016, 06:19:35 PM
Not a fan of token race/gender changes in general that won't add/improve anything to the story.

That's my view too. Bond is too iconic of a character to just mess with for the sake of messing with it.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on May 19, 2016, 10:47:29 PM
Not a fan of token race/gender changes in general that won't add/improve anything to the story.

That's my view too. Bond is too iconic of a character to just mess with for the sake of messing with it.

I agree with this. Plenty of other characters around to mess with.
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Post by: Kotowboy on May 20, 2016, 01:50:40 AM
I wouldn't want a Gay or female Bond but i'd have no problems with a black dude.


Of course - so an not to offend anyone - the next Bond will be a trans gay black Bond. :lol
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Post by: Zantera on May 20, 2016, 02:32:01 AM
Yeah I've never liked the idea of changing a character's ethnicity just to appeal to the mass audience. I think legacy is sacred and by messing with it, you piss off a lot of people.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for a big iconic role led by a black actor, but it pisses me off if they have to take a "white role" and change it. Movies like Black Panther is a step in the right direction because that is a "black role" and it's a great one, and I'm sure it will be a really good movie as well. I don't think there's anything weird with wanting certain roles to remain somewhat the same. Could you imagine the outcry if they made a new Shaft movie and cast a white guy as Shaft? There needs to be more big roles for not just black people, but also other minorities (like Asians) but to me, changing an existing "white role" and shove in a minority is not gonna solve that problem, and if anything it's only gonna cause more turbulence.

If they came out tomorrow and said that Idris Elba was the new Bond though, I would be fine with it. He's a really good actor and I think he has the chops to pull it off. But they could just as easily make a great original spy movie and cast Elba and create a world of their own, and it could work just as well.
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Post by: Kotowboy on May 20, 2016, 02:36:24 AM
The thing is - if you made a Black Bond - people would be mostly upset you changed the character from tradition or what was in the source material.

If they made a white Shaft - you would get uproar and everyone screaming Whitewashing.
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Post by: The Trooper on May 20, 2016, 05:17:12 AM
The thing is - if you made a Black Bond - people would be mostly upset you changed the character from tradition or what was in the source material.

If they made a white Shaft - you would get uproar and everyone screaming Whitewashing.

I have a white shaft. I could be in that movie :hat. My only condition is the movie has a happy ending.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 22, 2016, 05:39:40 AM
I loved Daniels more gritty Bond but if he's out I have no problem with a change of pace. I would hate to see an actor trying to play Bond like Craig so if the new actor plays bond completly diffrently i'm all for it.

If Idris can play Bond as convincingly as any other Bond that's good enough for me, how he acts Bond is of course more important than his skin color. If he plays Bond and adds certain lines and dialogue or trait of character to appeal to the black community for example then I would be worried but that dosen't sound like Idrs Elba at all.
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Post by: abydos on May 22, 2016, 05:05:06 PM
If he plays Bond and adds certain lines and dialogue or trait of character to appeal to the black community for example then I would be worried but that dosen't sound like Idrs Elba at all.
The Dark Tower :)
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Post by: Cyclopssss on May 26, 2016, 05:07:23 AM
Yeah, cant'imagine Bond going 'You Motherfucker....'
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: jammindude on May 26, 2016, 06:22:34 AM
Well, if there's no problem with a black Bond, then there should be no issues with JANE BOND...

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/may/24/jane-bond-gillian-anderson-next-007-twitter

Very interesting....
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on May 26, 2016, 06:28:05 AM
That's different to having a British Bond who's got dark skin. He can still be a British male Secret Agent.

Making Bond female completely changes everything about the character and shouldn't be done just to be PC and progressive.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on May 26, 2016, 06:42:11 AM
James Bond is and should always be a man. This world is ridiculous. How about someone invent a new female spy character and make a movie about rather than trying to reinvent a franchise that's been established for 40 years?
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 26, 2016, 07:16:09 AM
James Bond is and should always be a man. This world is ridiculous. How about someone invent a new female spy character and make a movie about rather than trying to reinvent a franchise that's been established for 40 years?

I agree. James Bond is a character with defined attributes after 40 years, one of those being that it's a dude (and possibly more controversial to say, but also white). Just because you could change it, doesn't mean you necessarily should. I think it would make a bigger statement for equality for a woman to establish their own franchise without needing to rely on an existing brand. Personally, I don't care if your lead is male or female, but I do care that James Bond is James f'ing Bond.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: TL on May 26, 2016, 07:58:35 AM
I think it's a bit silly to suggest that the only possible reason to pick a black actor to play Bond, would be as a 'token pc progressive' move.
What if there's a black actor who would just happen to be an excellent Bond?

If anyone thinks picking Idris Elba would be just a 'token' pick, they should go watch the show Luther. The main reason he should be in contention for the role is simply that he would be an awesome Bond.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on May 26, 2016, 09:28:30 AM
The only reason Ghostbusters 3 is being made and not Melissa McCarthy stars in " Paranormal Investigators! " is that they can capitalise on the Ghostbusters brand name.

They know more people will go see Ghostbusters 3 than some random screwball comedy with 4 female leads.

And screaming sexism when nobody goes to see it is a HUGE straw man argument.



And i'm pretty sure they'd only make a female James Bond for the same reason. it would have heaps more exposure than say " Female Spy Movie ! ".

I say make the next Lara Croft a man and see how people react to that.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Lynxo on May 27, 2016, 03:20:25 AM
The only reason Ghostbusters 3 is being made and not Melissa McCarthy stars in " Paranormal Investigators! " is that they can capitalise on the Ghostbusters brand name.

They know more people will go see Ghostbusters 3 than some random screwball comedy with 4 female leads.

And screaming sexism when nobody goes to see it is a HUGE straw man argument.



And i'm pretty sure they'd only make a female James Bond for the same reason. it would have heaps more exposure than say " Female Spy Movie ! ".

I say make the next Lara Croft a man and see how people react to that.
This is perhaps a different discussion but it's something that always bothers me when people talk about the new Ghostbusters: whether or not the new movie looks good or bad, I have absolutely no problem with an all female cast. I mean come one, how many Hollywood movies do we have made by men, with men, for men? If it takes capitalizing a known title to be able to get some well deserved female actors to actually star their own film, then so be it. Until Hollywood lets women direct and star movies in the same capacity as men, then fucking let them do this.

And that's just about the same reason I think it'd be awesome with an female Bond. Not to mention, I actually happen to think it would be an interesting shift and would make for some great storylines.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on May 27, 2016, 03:32:18 AM
Yeah I'm not liking that idea at all. It's like making a movie about my life but casting a girl as me. I've got nothing against girls in general, but that would upset me.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on May 27, 2016, 09:07:34 AM
I wouldn't have a problem with this choice though. Not a perfect choice, but fix him up, put him in a tux and have him do cool shit and I guess I could see it happening.

https://www.ign.com/articles/2016/05/26/with-new-tv-and-film-projects-lined-up-daniel-craigs-future-as-james-bond-seems-unlikely (https://www.ign.com/articles/2016/05/26/with-new-tv-and-film-projects-lined-up-daniel-craigs-future-as-james-bond-seems-unlikely)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 27, 2016, 09:25:34 AM
Looks a bit young to me, but I guess they could do worse.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: abydos on May 27, 2016, 11:06:17 AM
Until Hollywood lets women direct and star movies in the same capacity as men, then fucking let them do this.
And that's just about the same reason I think it'd be awesome with an female Bond. Not to mention, I actually happen to think it would be an interesting shift and would make for some great storylines.
As far as I know, no one is stopping them or disallowing that. Convince the studios to fund your movie and make it good, people will see it regardless of the genitals of the director. Equal opportunities != equal outcome. Not to mention that maybe, just maybe, women in general aren't as interested in pursuing that career choice so there will be less of them that are good enough. Think of how many male directors/writers there are and how many of them are actually good and well known. Hell, even Scorsece had tough time funding The Irishman. Just make new movies and stories, don't lazily try to reskin existing ones.

I would be more interested in seeing Anderson in a more serious spy movie, something like Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy. I absolutely loved her in The Fall.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on May 27, 2016, 11:11:16 AM
Looks a bit young to me, but I guess they could do worse.

Yeah he's definetely on the younger side. But at least we know that James Bond was young at some point, so that's not really messing with the character as much as the other stuff being talked about.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 27, 2016, 11:19:07 AM
Looks a bit young to me, but I guess they could do worse.

Yeah he's definetely on the younger side. But at least we know that James Bond was young at some point, so that's not really messing with the character as much as the other stuff being talked about.

I agree, it wouldn't be a big deal to me like these other suggestions. I'm just used to the older, more experienced version of Bond.
Also, I don't know if they'll have the new Bond movie continue directly on from Craig in terms of storyline, or do a soft reboot by keeping all of the characters the same but not directly mentioning the events of the Craig movies, but if that's the case, it might make sense to have someone who's not too much younger. There's almost a 20 year gap between Craig and Bell.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: abydos on May 27, 2016, 12:09:14 PM
What if they make the new Bond set in the 70s/80s? Could be fun.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: pogoowner on May 27, 2016, 02:57:51 PM
The Tom Hiddleston rumors are really heating up. He is supposedly in advanced talks to become the next Bond. I'm certainly not buying it yet, but after watching The Night Manager, I think he would be an excellent choice.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on May 27, 2016, 04:25:38 PM
I agree. That choice would make me happy.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: orcus116 on May 28, 2016, 10:57:04 AM
I think it's a bit silly to suggest that the only possible reason to pick a black actor to play Bond, would be as a 'token pc progressive' move.
What if there's a black actor who would just happen to be an excellent Bond?

If anyone thinks picking Idris Elba would be just a 'token' pick, they should go watch the show Luther. The main reason he should be in contention for the role is simply that he would be an awesome Bond.

The problem is that Bond is such a defined character that picking anything other than a white actor would turn the film(s) into a reimagining instead of continuation. I could see many people not considering them real Bond films and it wouldn't have anything to do with them being a bigot or not progress enough but due to the fact that a major part of an incredibly famous character has changed.

On a side note I do need to check out Luther as I've heard great things about it.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on July 13, 2016, 03:42:15 PM
Hey if an all female Ghostbusters is ok then a black Bond is definitely ok.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cyclopssss on July 15, 2016, 06:53:55 AM
You should check out Luther. It's a great show.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 15, 2016, 06:55:18 AM
Hey if an all female Ghostbusters is ok then a black Bond is definitely ok.

But the all female Ghostbusters has definitely not been ok. :lol
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 20, 2017, 08:50:25 AM
I just watched SPECTRE's opening credits with its originally intended song of the same name by Radiohead. Chilling and beautiful in my opinion. Despite it being darker than most james bond opening themes, I wish they would have kept it.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on March 20, 2017, 09:39:36 AM
I'm at a point where I've had enough of Daniel Craig's Bond.   I love Casino Royale it's not just a great Bond film, it's a great film period.  But after that it's been lackluster - I don't love Skyfall as much and many do (a middling Bond film for me) and Quantum and Spectre I didn't really like much at all.

I guess the problem they have now is if they go for a new actor do they continue the Craig storylines or do another soft reboot.   I'd go for Dan Stevens personally.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on March 20, 2017, 09:45:13 AM
Dan Stevens is great, never really thought about him but yeah he could probably pull of Bond. Didn't even know he was british.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 20, 2017, 12:08:37 PM
I love DC as Bond, he's practically tied with Sean as the best IMO. I hope he does a couple more to finish off the Spectre/Blofeld story in the right way.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 20, 2017, 12:09:49 PM
I'm sure once he's had time off from it and offered a fuck ton of cash he'll be back.

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 20, 2017, 12:11:56 PM
The mayor of Dubrovnik, Croatia confirmed that Eon are in advanced negotiations to film the next one there. Same city that Game of Thrones uses for King's Landing.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 20, 2017, 12:14:20 PM
That means zilch to me since i've seen precisely 0 minutes of Game Of Thrones :D
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 20, 2017, 12:17:21 PM
That means zilch to me since i've seen precisely 0 minutes of Game Of Thrones :D

Your life would be improved by watching it.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 20, 2017, 12:18:57 PM
Not from what i've heard.

" You should watch it ! its full of tits, fucking swearing and fighting "

 :|...yeah i'll pass...

I watched one episode of a BBC drama about Rome once and that's literally all it was. Fucking. Nudity. Swearing and Fighting.

They probably forgot to write a plot around it I expect. :hat
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 20, 2017, 12:21:46 PM
I love it cuz it's a well-made show with good writing.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 20, 2017, 12:27:26 PM
 :biggrin: It may well be.

Truth is I am not a fan of serials. I never have been. At least whilst they're showing. My bro used to watch a lot of them and he hated having to wait a year or more to find out what happened...

...and then sometimes that never got answered... Endlessly frustrating. I don't have that kind of patience or....what you call it....

Attention......Nice day today. might go for a ride later.

:)


What were we talking about ?

James Bond ?
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: pogoowner on March 20, 2017, 05:05:08 PM
I love Daniel Craig as Bond, but Casino Royale was easily the best one. Skyfall was okay. The other two, I'll probably never watch again.

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 20, 2017, 05:06:09 PM
I love Daniel Craig as Bond, but Casino Royale was easily the best one. Skyfall was okay. The other two, I'll probably never watch again.

One day I will get all 25 Bond Movies in a boxset. I need to re-watch OHMSS as 50% say it's dogshit and 50% say it's the best one :biggrin:

I've seen it once which is rare for me since I love Bond and have seen them all multiple times.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 20, 2017, 05:30:33 PM
OHMSS is kind of all over the place. The evil scheme is a dream mind control plot which is way out there and then you have bond running around in a kilt pretending to be someone else, even though blofeld should recognize him. Kojak blofeld by the way  :lol

BUT that god damn ending scene... holy shit  :hefdaddy   They had the balls to do what SPECTRE should have done. I mean, its on the damn poster and everything...

But ultimately, I like OHMSS. Its a cool, wildly different addition to the franchise
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cyclopssss on March 21, 2017, 04:07:16 AM
Yeah OHMSS is an oddball of a movie. But that ending kicks you in the nuts, Lazenby or not.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on March 21, 2017, 04:27:07 AM
Depict the fact it follows on it's somewhat jarring going from that ending of OHMSS to the uber camp start of Diamonds are Forever.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ozzy554 on March 21, 2017, 09:56:00 AM
People give Lazenby a lot of shit but I think he did a fine job considering this was his first acting role. Sure he was iffy at certain spots during the film but he absolutely nailed the ending scene in my opinion.

OHMSS is my personal favorite of the series.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on March 21, 2017, 10:03:20 AM
Dalton is my personal fav Bond actor.  The Living Daylights is a hugely underrated film (Licence to Kill isn't so good).

Never warmed to Brosnan.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 21, 2017, 10:41:04 AM
Goldeneye is my favorite and my first, so I have the brosnan bias. Didn't see anything from Dalton until way later down the line, but I love his work.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 11:15:36 AM
GoldenEye is great but then every other Brosnan movie was tripe. Such a shame as he was a really good Bond.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 21, 2017, 12:14:40 PM
I found World is not enough to be lackluster and kinda boring, Die another day to be out there and unbelievable/goofy and tomorrow never dies is a guilty pleasure.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 12:16:52 PM
GoldenEye and Daniel Craig's Casino Royale both had the same director.

He should be bought back for the next one. He seems to have a knack of "saving" Bond.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 21, 2017, 12:32:09 PM
I agree that Pierce's other 3 movies never matched the greatness of GoldenEye, but I do have a soft spot for TWINE. Has a bunch of great memories for me, example being the first Bond movie I saw in the theater when I was 10.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on March 21, 2017, 02:34:52 PM
Connery. nuff said.

I actually liked Craig as Bond. But if he has had enough then so be it.

My wish, next Bond Idris Elba
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 02:56:08 PM
I'd love Idris Elba as Bond.

Worst thing they could do is a female Bond JUST BECAUSE.

I hope they don't. Make your own female spy character if you MUST.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on March 21, 2017, 03:06:35 PM
Idris would rule as the next Bond.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Adami on March 21, 2017, 03:10:51 PM
Obviously the next Bond should be Nick Frost.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 03:11:53 PM
Obviously the next Bond should be Nick Frost.

I. Am Bond..James Bond...to You...Licence to Kill in fact.


And who the fuck are you maaaaayt ?


(https://images.contactmusic.com/newsimages/nick_frost_1232614.jpg)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Adami on March 21, 2017, 03:12:59 PM
Kotowboy, an accurate representation of all British people is sold on Nick Frost.

Let's make this happen.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 03:17:07 PM
Nick Frost as Bond. Simon Pegg as Q
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on March 21, 2017, 03:25:06 PM
lol. in a fucked up way that could be hilarious
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 03:26:09 PM
Edgar Wright's next film is a crime comedy about a getaway driver. That could be the closest to Bond that Edgar does.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on March 21, 2017, 03:26:38 PM
add james franco and seth rogan as pot smugglers that bond is trying to catch. moneymaker
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 03:28:46 PM
Oh God No.

Fuck no.

I hate those two and their style of American druggie toilet humour.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on March 21, 2017, 03:30:42 PM
lol hear ya. Helen Mirren topless then as the next bond girl :yarr
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 03:33:10 PM
She's 70


Are you Wayne Rooney ?
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on March 21, 2017, 03:34:59 PM
lol dude.  had a feeling you would bite at that with rooney :rollin
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on March 21, 2017, 03:36:35 PM
then again its rooney :laugh:
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on March 21, 2017, 03:41:05 PM
I am more of a zlatan fan than rooney ::)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 03:42:57 PM
There's few things I abhor more than Football.

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on March 21, 2017, 03:49:07 PM
awe come on dude. football/soccer rules. especially with Helen Mirren in shorts :metal
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 03:51:09 PM
:lol I really really really don't understand the global obsession of it.

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on March 21, 2017, 03:54:27 PM
I grew up on it here in the states, lived in a town known as soccer USA. played with several guys that made the national team, and I came close. but I can understand your point. football in your country is die hard. here in the states not quite there yet. but hellen Mirren still has nice tits.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on March 21, 2017, 03:55:52 PM
although my 11 year old son says emma Watson is hot
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on March 21, 2017, 03:56:44 PM
smart kid if I may say
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on March 21, 2017, 03:58:21 PM
I digress, this topic went sideways. back to your regularly scheduled programming
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 04:05:34 PM
I couldn't possibly rank all 25 Bond Movies.

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on March 21, 2017, 04:58:13 PM
agree. each one has its own identity.  I am partial to the Connery ones, but I grew up on them. lol. kinda like Godzilla 60's and early 70's movies.  yeah im 50. all I will say is enjoy what you like, makes the world more interesting
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 05:04:11 PM
I liked Roger Moore's more comic movies. They've pretty much abandoned all the tongue in cheek stuff with the Daniel Craig ones.


Probably due to Die Another Day being so silly.


But even Connery's movies had slapstick and one liners.


I'm a bit bored of " grounded, realistic, gritty " movies at the moment. I blame The Dark Knight.

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on March 21, 2017, 05:12:55 PM
valid point. Early/most Bond movies up till the Craig era had, lets say one liners, poking fun etc. every bond movie doesn't need to be an explosion fest.  don't get me wrong. Bond films are built on unrealistic scenes. but to me that is what makes a Bond film a bit. UNTIL....................... they go really nuts. its a fine line. keep it Bond or Become Jason Bourne or Pussy Cruise mission Impossibles
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 05:27:49 PM
Pussy Cruise ?

I'm not into those films but the guy voluntarily strapped himself to the outside of a plane as it took off.

That's like the least "pussy" thing i've ever seen.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: pogoowner on March 21, 2017, 05:58:27 PM
Pussy Cruise ?

I'm not into those films but the guy voluntarily strapped himself to the outside of a plane as it took off.

That's like the least "pussy" thing i've ever seen.
He also trained himself to hold his breath under water for a pretty ridiculous amount of time for another scene. He's out of his mind, but he puts in serious work for his stunts.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 06:02:46 PM
He had to wear contacts and have a perspex shield on him on the plane because at those speeds - if anything hits him in the face - it's bad news.

He filmed 12 takes of it.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on March 21, 2017, 08:28:18 PM
Since I worked for a cruise line, my mind initially went in a different direction when I read "Pussy Cruise," which sounds like just about the greatest thing ever.

I don't dislike Connery's Bond, but I don't revere it either. I have always been more partial to the later Connery roles regardless. He played the elder badass better than anyone.

Moore was my first Bond, so I have a soft spot for his, for the most part.

I saw OHMSS but could barely tell you anything about it but the ending, it made such little impression on me.

Dalton's films seem like second rate 80s action films these days.

I really enjoy Brosnan's films. Cheese, plot holes, whatever, they are fun and enjoyable.

Craig's films have ranged from great to excellent. I am curious to see what his career is like post-Bond.

I don't particularly care who the next Bond is, or even if they make more with another actor.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 30, 2017, 11:21:20 AM
I never knew she was a man.


(https://www.universalexports.net/Graphics/tula/for-your-eyes-only-bond-girls.jpg)



And apparently Charles Dance is in For your eyes only as well. Fantastic, can't believe I never noticed
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on June 05, 2017, 02:23:55 AM
I couldn't possibly rank all 25 Bond Movies.

Ok here we go...

Tier A - The greats.

Casino Royale.
The Living Daylights (Yeah totally).
From Russia with Love.
The Spy Who Loved Me.

Tier B - Good.

Goldfinger.
Goldeneye.
For Your Eyes Only.
Skyfall.
Live and Let Die.
Tomorrow Never Dies.

Tier C - Flawed, but generally fun.

Live and Let Die.
Licence to Kill.
Moonraker.
You Only Life Twice.
A View to a Kill.

Tier D - Meh.

Octopussy.
On Her Majesty's Secret Service.
Spectre.
Dr No.
Die Another Day.
Thunderball.

Tier E - Crap.

The World in not Enough.
Diamonds are Forever.
The Man with the Golden Gun.
Quantum of Solace.

Actors :

1. Dalton.
2. Connery.
3. Moore.
4. Craig.
5. Lazenby.
6. Brosnan.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on June 05, 2017, 04:55:58 AM
Brosnan was a great Bond but got shafted with shit scripts. Other than Goldneye - his films were poor.

I can't decide on a ranking. Too many films and not a good enough memory of them all.

Top 2 : Goldeneye and Casino Royale ( Craig ).
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on June 05, 2017, 05:46:43 AM
Brosnan was a great Bond but got shafted with shit scripts. Other than Goldneye - his films were poor.


I don't hate him.  He's simply my least fav simply because he's an amalgamation of the actors who took the role before him, there is very little unique either personality or trait wise that defined his Bond.
I personally think they got the actors the wrong way round in Goldeneye - Bean Bond, Brosnan Trevelyan.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on June 05, 2017, 05:57:33 AM
Brosnan had the perfect face for Bond.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 12, 2017, 06:08:50 PM
If I had to rank Brosnan:

1. Goldeneye - awesome movie. And my favorite Bond film
2. Tomorrow never dies- A little wacky by highly entertaining
3. The world is not enough- overall just kind of bland imo, but not really offensive in any way
4. Die another day - makes baby jesus cry
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 12, 2017, 10:30:32 PM
Gonna go ahead and agree with that entirely, although I've never actually bothered to watch Die Another Day.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 12, 2017, 10:32:12 PM
GoldenEye
The World Is Not Enough
Tomorrow Never Dies
Die Another Day
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 12, 2017, 10:41:00 PM
Coincidentally, if I were to rank the Brosnan movies by theme song, it would match my ranking by movie.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 13, 2017, 10:35:53 AM
Coincidentally, if I were to rank the Brosnan movies by theme song, it would match my ranking my ranking by movie.

Same here, actually lol
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: pogoowner on August 17, 2017, 05:27:12 PM
Daniel Craig has confirmed that he will return.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 17, 2017, 05:43:35 PM
Daniel Craig has confirmed that he will return.

I am ready for more James bond

If he were to do just one more, then I would be cool with that.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 17, 2017, 07:20:53 PM
Daniel Craig has confirmed that he will return.

I am ready for more James bond

If he were to do just one more, then I would be cool with that.

The next one will indeed be his final.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: SystematicThought on August 17, 2017, 10:17:30 PM
If I had to rank Brosnan:

1. Goldeneye - awesome movie. And my favorite Bond film
2. Tomorrow never dies- A little wacky by highly entertaining
3. The world is not enough- overall just kind of bland imo, but not really offensive in any way
4. Die another day - makes baby jesus cry
I'll take the video game Everything or Nothing over Die Another Day

(Actually, if that game was a movie, it would rank second or third for me  :lol)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on August 17, 2017, 11:39:18 PM
Glad Craig is back. I really like him as Bond.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 17, 2017, 11:45:51 PM
I wish he'd finished with the last one. It was a good sendoff before the usual soft-reboot with a new Bond, and I'd rather not have someone who doesn't seem into it any more. That and the fact I still don't like him as Bond, despite enjoying all of the new films.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: The Trooper on August 18, 2017, 11:50:29 AM
He said he made a mistake when he said he would never do another Bond movie.

If people recall he said it was over the top grinding.

It is cool he explained himself. He said this will be the last. I actually think it is fitting, then reboot in a few year with Idris Elba as the next BOND.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: jammindude on August 19, 2017, 09:27:07 AM
I hope he goes out on a high note.  There was so much leading up to Spectre, and it was made even more disappointing by the fact that Skyfall was so amazing, and made the whole Craig-era story arc seem like it was going somewhere even bigger and better.   And even though Waltz did such a great job for his part playing Blofeld, I think the script really undermined the character...and Waltz's performance. 

When writing Blofeld....THE Bond nemesis...you probably better go out of your way to make sure he's the best villain in the series.   Instead, he was completely outshined in every possible way by the previous villain, Silva.   
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on August 19, 2017, 12:54:30 PM
That sums up my feeling of Spectre well. Great, enjoyable movie, solid Bond film, but a bit of a drop off after Skyfall.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: pogoowner on August 19, 2017, 04:20:18 PM
They really dropped the ball with Spectre. If you're going to cast a great actor like Waltz to play the villain, take advantage of it. They didn't. It was all extremely forgettable.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 19, 2017, 06:56:48 PM
I thought SPECTRE was awful. It just felt so straitforward and bland, and oh my god. How do you cast Waltz who is an excellent actor and then proceed to make me bored and underwhelmed by his character. It was also very visually underwhelming as well. Just very dull all around.

And I'm sorry but making them being brothers is retarded. Who the hell thought that would be a good idea? They literally did that in Austin powers 3 FFS, and it was dumb then.

Also, on a personal note, Radiohead's song SPECTRE was supposed to be the original theme song. I really love that song and was very disappointed and it was swapped for Writing on the wall.

The only part of the film I like was the cool tracking shot at the beginning during the Day of the Dead, and then it just went downhill from there.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on August 20, 2017, 01:52:15 AM
I enjoyed Spectre. It has problems, and isn't at all as good as Skyfall or Casino Royal, but still an enjoyable movie for the most part.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 20, 2017, 04:32:15 PM
I enjoyed Spectre. It has problems, and isn't at all as good as Skyfall or Casino Royal, but still an enjoyable movie for the most part.

Exactly how I feel. Enjoyable for me, despite its problems. Now Quantum? Can't find a single positive thing about it.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: soupytwist on August 21, 2017, 09:26:18 AM
I enjoyed Spectre. It has problems, and isn't at all as good as Skyfall or Casino Royal, but still an enjoyable movie for the most part.

Exactly how I feel. Enjoyable for me, despite its problems. Now Quantum? Can't find a single positive thing about it.

Olga.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 21, 2017, 10:47:08 AM
I enjoyed Spectre. It has problems, and isn't at all as good as Skyfall or Casino Royal, but still an enjoyable movie for the most part.

Exactly how I feel. Enjoyable for me, despite its problems. Now Quantum? Can't find a single positive thing about it.

Olga.

Not an unattractive women, but pales in comparison to Severine or Swann
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: pogoowner on August 21, 2017, 05:13:36 PM
I enjoyed Spectre. It has problems, and isn't at all as good as Skyfall or Casino Royal, but still an enjoyable movie for the most part.

Exactly how I feel. Enjoyable for me, despite its problems. Now Quantum? Can't find a single positive thing about it.

Olga.
This is a valid answer.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Podaar on August 23, 2017, 07:28:44 AM
I enjoyed Spectre. It has problems, and isn't at all as good as Skyfall or Casino Royal, but still an enjoyable movie for the most part.

Exactly how I feel. Enjoyable for me, despite its problems. Now Quantum? Can't find a single positive thing about it.

Olga.

Gemma, too.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 15, 2018, 02:52:34 PM
Danny boyle to direct the next bond film

https://www.gq.com/story/danny-boyle-confirms-he-will-direct-the-next-james-bond-movie

I'm down
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 15, 2018, 04:21:59 PM
Danny boyle to direct the next bond film

https://www.gq.com/story/danny-boyle-confirms-he-will-direct-the-next-james-bond-movie

I'm down

I also approve of this...he's having John Hodge write the script too....we get some new blood!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on March 15, 2018, 04:41:52 PM
Doesn't sound familiar.... goes to the Google. Seen 127 Hours, that's it. This doesn't move the needle for me but I am happy that others are finding it exciting news.

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 15, 2018, 06:17:38 PM
I like him since he made 28 days later, trainspotting and sunshine, but I'm gonna be cautiously optimistic.

Sam Mendes did American beauty (which is one of my favorite movies ever) and I really didn't like spectre and wasn't huge on Skyfall. So we'll see.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Accelerando on June 02, 2018, 01:02:50 PM
Watching Goldeneye on AMC. It’s funny how bad this movie has aged in comparison to the other Brosnan movies. Tomorrow Never Dies looks like it could have been made around the same time as Casino Royale.

Goldeneye is still a good movie, even if it now looks like it was made in the 70’s
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on June 02, 2018, 01:10:28 PM
Agreed with all except I would change the 70s to the 90s. I love Sean Bean. Have since Patriot Games.

The first Bond film with a new actor presents a challenge. You have to make it special and unique, and highlight the new Bond and new era, but you need to remain true to the Bond franchise. 
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Accelerando on June 02, 2018, 01:13:49 PM
I say it looks like it was made in the 70’s because there are some bad editing choices that makes it feel dated  :lol

I’m also curious who the DP was...because Campbell went on to direct Mask of Zorro not too long afterwards, and it’s still a good looking movie.

Speaking of Zorro...Catherine Zeta Jones...how in the hell was she never a bond girl??  :heart
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 02, 2018, 01:55:52 PM
In the news, Danny Boyle (28 Days Later, 127 Hours, Slumdog Millionaire) was confirmed to be the director for Bond 25, based on an original screenplay by his longtime collaborator John Hodge. There’s also rumors of the main villain being a female.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kattelox on June 02, 2018, 06:19:25 PM
I heard the next Bond is slated for late 2019, I hope that's still possible. I adore the Daniel Craig era of Bond and think it's the best (even with Quantum of Solace). Might have to do a marathon of his movies leading up to this new one.

GoldenEye was one of my favorites for a long time but yeah, I recently saw it again and it's really not aging gracefully. I still really like it, but it looks absolutely ancient compared with what came after the Brosnan era.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 02, 2018, 06:54:08 PM
Goldeneye is my favorite bond film and one of my top favorite films every period.

I love it today as much as I loved it in 95. Sean Bean makes an awesome villain, Pierce is cool and sleek and the soundtrack is awesome. Its a movie I can watch countless times.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Accelerando on June 02, 2018, 07:40:25 PM
Goldeneye is my first Bond movie, and i still like it. The whole spy vs spy element really works, and Sean Bean is awesome, as always. I’m pretty sure Famke Janssen escalated my puberty back then :lol

Watched all the Brosnan movies and now on to Die Another Day. Pierce is bittersweet for me. It's like EON found the perfect actor to bridge the gap between Connery's suaveness and Moore's humor.  But they couldn't figure out how to make that work on paper, which is why all his scripts after Goldeneye suck ass.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on June 03, 2018, 06:58:01 AM
Saw Spectre a few days ago. Visually and technically its one of the best movies I've seen, but unfortunately the plot (or perhaps rather the execution of the plot) is actually pretty thin, which was quite the disappointment.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 03, 2018, 07:01:54 AM
I had high hopes for SPECTRE, but was crazy bored. And I don't know what the hell happened with Waltz, but he was boring and lackluster. Which is a shame, since I typically love his work.



Spoilers, I guess.



And making them brothers is the dumbest shit ever. When you are ripping off Austin Powers, then its time to re-evaluate.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kattelox on June 03, 2018, 10:20:30 AM
Yeah that part of Spectre still bugs the hell out of me. Otherwise I actually enjoyed it a lot, but it definitely wasn't better than Skyfall, which has been my favorite Bond film since I saw it in theaters. What an awesome movie.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on June 16, 2018, 04:29:28 AM
So, I decided it was no longer acceptable that I belonged to the list of people that never ever saw a James Bond movie, and I joined the fray.

Fearing that I should have seen those movies 30 years ago, I skipped the Connery movies, and started with the current Bond, and so I watched Casino Royale.

It was good, I guess. I was not completely floored, but  I didn't regret watching either. The plot was kinda of a mess and the pacing at the end was weird, but all in all it was enjoyable. I've read comments that this was more grounded and that Bond did away with fancy and cartoonish gadgets from past movies, making the movie more realistic.... it probably is, but I'd hardly call realistic a movie where you see fights all over an african construction site and embassy, an airport where a bus with a bomb is heading towards a plane AND a sinking palace in Venice  :lol

Daniel Craig works as Bond, sure I never saw the other ones so I can't really compare. Are the following movies more or less like this? as I said I kinda enjoyed this and I didn't regret watching it, but should Casino Royal be the best of the Craig movies, I'll probably make a low priority to watch the other ones.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Podaar on June 16, 2018, 06:22:47 AM
If Casino Royale didn't get you excited to see more Bond stories, it probably isn't for you.

I think Bond films might be a generational thing. You almost need the backdrop of the cold war in your real life to provide tension for the escapism that is Bond.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on June 16, 2018, 06:49:07 AM
Well, I did like it and I wouldn't mind going on, especially since I have no movies left to see on my list. It's just that I don't have that "OMG what have I missed my whole life" feeling, that's all.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 16, 2018, 09:33:55 AM
So, I decided it was no longer acceptable that I belonged to the list of people that never ever saw a James Bond movie, and I joined the fray.

Fearing that I should have seen those movies 30 years ago, I skipped the Connery movies, and started with the current Bond, and so I watched Casino Royale.

It was good, I guess. I was not completely floored, but  I didn't regret watching either. The plot was kinda of a mess and the pacing at the end was weird, but all in all it was enjoyable. I've read comments that this was more grounded and that Bond did away with fancy and cartoonish gadgets from past movies, making the movie more realistic.... it probably is, but I'd hardly call realistic a movie where you see fights all over an african construction site and embassy, an airport where a bus with a bomb is heading towards a plane AND a sinking palace in Venice  :lol

Daniel Craig works as Bond, sure I never saw the other ones so I can't really compare. Are the following movies more or less like this? as I said I kinda enjoyed this and I didn't regret watching it, but should Casino Royal be the best of the Craig movies, I'll probably make a low priority to watch the other ones.

I would say that Casino royale is probably the most grounded in reality. The others range from absolute wacky madness (Die another day, moonraker) to more straitforward (The living daylights, goldeneye). and then its all over the place in the middle.

I would recommend goldeneye and then see what you think and go from there. Each bond movie kind of does its own thing, so if you don't like one, then there's plenty of others to check out.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kattelox on June 16, 2018, 09:39:37 AM
Casino Royale is great, but in my opinion Skyfall is better. Quantum of Solace unfortunately is the weakest of the Craig films and will probably not do much for you, but I highly recommend Skyfall and even Spectre.

IMO Craig has proven himself to be the best Bond, he is definitely my favorite.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on June 16, 2018, 09:52:01 AM
Casino Royale is great, but in my opinion Skyfall is better. Quantum of Solace unfortunately is the weakest of the Craig films and will probably not do much for you, but I highly recommend Skyfall and even Spectre.

Do I miss anything continuity wise if I skip Quantum of Solace? I assume not, I don't think there's too much continuity aside from who plays James Bond...
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 16, 2018, 09:55:05 AM
Casino Royale is great, but in my opinion Skyfall is better. Quantum of Solace unfortunately is the weakest of the Craig films and will probably not do much for you, but I highly recommend Skyfall and even Spectre.

Do I miss anything continuity wise if I skip Quantum of Solace? I assume not, I don't think there's too much continuity aside from who plays James Bond...

There might be some passing mention of the girl from QoS, but it's not necessary to watch it beforehand.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 16, 2018, 10:14:04 AM
Casino Royale is great, but in my opinion Skyfall is better. Quantum of Solace unfortunately is the weakest of the Craig films and will probably not do much for you, but I highly recommend Skyfall and even Spectre.

Do I miss anything continuity wise if I skip Quantum of Solace? I assume not, I don't think there's too much continuity aside from who plays James Bond...

I'm the opposite. I really liked Quantum, but really didn't like SPECTRE.

Skyfall was pretty good though. As far as continuity is concerned, nothing really matters honestly. They were trying to have one long overarching storyline from Royale up through SPECTRE, but its more of a vague mess more than anything. So I would say, watch whichever one you want.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 16, 2018, 10:38:55 AM
Casino Royale is great, but in my opinion Skyfall is better. Quantum of Solace unfortunately is the weakest of the Craig films and will probably not do much for you, but I highly recommend Skyfall and even Spectre.

Do I miss anything continuity wise if I skip Quantum of Solace? I assume not, I don't think there's too much continuity aside from who plays James Bond...

Craig's films are the only ones that have an ongoing story throughout them. Connery's are loosely connected by SPECTRE but Craig's have a tighter thing going on.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kattelox on June 16, 2018, 10:51:24 AM
Casino Royale is great, but in my opinion Skyfall is better. Quantum of Solace unfortunately is the weakest of the Craig films and will probably not do much for you, but I highly recommend Skyfall and even Spectre.

Do I miss anything continuity wise if I skip Quantum of Solace? I assume not, I don't think there's too much continuity aside from who plays James Bond...

I'm the opposite. I really liked Quantum, but really didn't like SPECTRE.

Skyfall was pretty good though. As far as continuity is concerned, nothing really matters honestly. They were trying to have one long overarching storyline from Royale up through SPECTRE, but its more of a vague mess more than anything. So I would say, watch whichever one you want.

I agree 100% with this. There is a connection, but honestly... it doesn't matter much. 'Mess' is definitely the correct way to describe it.

Quantum is a weird one for me. I watched it twice in theaters, and initially really liked it, but when I bought it later and watched it at home I really didn't enjoy it apart from the action scenes. I don't think it's bad like some do, but it's definitely my least favorite of the newer ones. It and Spectre seem to be the less well received of the bunch for sure.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on June 16, 2018, 11:40:52 AM
The completist in me makes me wanna go on. I'll watch Quantum of Solace already accepting it might suck, if it won't, all for the better  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 16, 2018, 11:45:54 AM
The completist in me makes me wanna go on. I'll watch Quantum of Solace already accepting it might suck, if it won't, all for the better  :biggrin:

I've been a die hard Bond fan my whole life, and Quantum is near the bottom, if not at the bottom for me. Such a mess of a movie. I think the editor was suffering seizures throughout the whole thing  :lol
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on June 17, 2018, 01:52:52 AM
My issue with Quantum isn’t that it’s necessarily ”bad”, there’s nothing in there that offends me. I just think that it’s a bit unambitious, not very memorable. I’d say Spectre makes more choices that straight up misfired, but it’s so much more ambitious (both from a storytelling and technical perspective) that it makes up for it a bit.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on June 17, 2018, 03:06:19 AM
Well, I've seen it, it wasn't half as bad as I expected, also the shorter running time helped.

What it is with Bond directors and wanton destruction all across Italy, however?  :lol first a fight in a sinking venetian palace, and then a chase across the roofs of Siena and breaking into old houses and churches. It feels like there has to be some mandatory chase / fight scenes and they write the plot around those stop points, dehe.

Still, it wasn't wasted time watching it. If the next two are better I can only be optimistic about going on!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: BlackInk on June 17, 2018, 04:16:19 AM
While I usually have a difficult time choising a favorite between Casino Royale and Skyfall, I must say that the latter is stylistically far superior to the point of it being a valid argument in its favor.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 17, 2018, 09:43:40 AM
I love Bardem in Skyfall. That's really my favorite part. Beside that, I am not too huge on Skyfall, but stylistically It is certainly beautiful to look at. In contrast, Spectre is also nice to look at but Waltz's performance put me to sleep faster than Ambien. (and that's coming from someone who loves Waltz). Quantum is a dumb, fun, fast frenzy of a movie and I enjoy it as a guilty pleasure. And royale is pretty much solid all around for me.

Now besides Craig, if I were to recommend bond movies to myself I would recommend:

Goldeneye (My favorite)
Tomorrow never dies (dumb and highly entertaining)

The living daylights (I just like Dalton)

A view to a kill (not a great movie, but Walken is awesome)
Moonraker (Incredibly dumb and over the top, but a huge guilty pleasure. Jaws is hilarious in this one)
The spy who loved me (Basically Moonraker, if it took itself more seriously)

From Russia with love (solid all around)

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 17, 2018, 10:05:17 AM
Skyfall is the polar opposite of Quantum in terms of cinematography/feel. Beautiful film
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Accelerando on June 17, 2018, 01:16:11 PM
Although that opening car chase in Quantum was beautiful. Wondered if all the budget for the camera depertment went to that shot. DP was probably like “I’m gonna shoot the shit out of that scene then take a nap for the rest of production.”
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Grappler on June 17, 2018, 07:25:14 PM
I don't think Bond movies are about the story or plot at all. It's about BOND.  The guy that can do anything - he can fly a plane, then jump out of the plane on skis and ski down the mountain in an avalance while shooting bad guys, then gets the girl when he's done.  When you stop worrying about the plot and just enjoy it for what it is, the movies are great.  I've binged about 15-20 of the movies in the last year, so they all blend together for me.  But the Daniel Craig ones are probably my favorites, followed by Brosnan, then Roger Moore. 

So just sit back and enjoy watching insanely awesome and ridiculous action sequences.   :metal
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 17, 2018, 08:02:09 PM

  When you stop worrying about the plot and just enjoy it for what it is, the movies are great. 

So just sit back and enjoy watching insanely awesome and ridiculous action sequences.   :metal

Absolutely this
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on June 18, 2018, 06:35:41 PM
That's not true and a lame stance to take. Sorry guys, not to rant here. All the good Bond films have a plot, and usually a well-written and constructed one. I don't want to watch a movie and "worry" about the plot. I want to enjoy the plot. I want it to enhance the experience. I want it to be part of the entertainment. If the plot is problematic, the movie is not going to entertain me. Not every movie needs to be cerebral, but it doesn't need to be a vapid Michael Bay explosionfest either.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on July 04, 2018, 04:07:24 PM
Watched Skyfall. Damn, it kicked ass!

It still had the same beats of the previous one - opening with a chase / fight scene, pause for plot, moar chases and fight scenes, Bond bangs a girl that dies (seriously, don't sleep with Bond, girls), more plot, more action and the climax. But this time for whatever reason - the plot itself maybe, or just the cinematography as fadetoblackdude mention - it just worked. Brilliant movie through and through and so far the best of the Craig ones.

Oh, and I guess Javier Bardem thought that one creepy villain with an absolutely hideous haircut wasn't enough in his carrer.

(Also having Voldemort there makes difficult to trust him, until he was shot I thought that he could have been a bad guy)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on July 16, 2018, 04:29:52 AM
Aaaand I watched also Spectre, finally catching up with the Craig movies.

This one was as good as Skyfall, if not better! it's like they are a band that has the same style, and some album comes out better than the others.... Skyfall nd Spectre are for me way above Casinò Royale and Quantum of Solace, especially the initial sequence of Spectre with the long continuous shot from the Dias de Los Muertos celebrations to the rooftoop where Bond stalks the villains is awesome.

Also the general story of the movie is captivating, and am I the only one at the meeting with M and C who thought "Damn, James Bond is in the same room with Lord Voldemort and Moriarty?"  ;D

Anyway, if they can keep up with the quality of Skyfall and Spectre (wonderful title song also, Writing on the Wall), I look very forward to the next Bond movie!

EDIT: I've noticed that both these movies (Skyfall and Spectre) were directed by the same guy, Sam Mendes. Guess he has part of the merit as well, I should check which other movies he did.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 16, 2018, 06:32:27 AM
I am glad you are enjoying the films. I love James bond.

And I agree, that day of the dead opening is incredible
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 16, 2018, 07:27:40 AM
Interesting that you enjoyed Spectre as much as you did. I do too, but it’s generally received negatively in the fan base due to the weaker script. Are you gonna watch the rest of the series? It’s a hell of a trip!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on July 16, 2018, 09:28:19 AM
It took me forever to watch even the most current ones, someday down the line I consider watching them but not anytime soon.

And how can a script with "fist fight on board of a spinning helicopter hovering above a crowded square" be weak?  :lol

(More seriously, the story is what it is, I didn't find it particularly bad or weak, it was in line with the other movies)
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 16, 2018, 10:06:13 AM
It was what they did with Blofeld and Spectre in general that was weak. They kind of did it half assed. Wasn’t developed well enough.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 25, 2018, 04:14:41 AM
Danny boyle has quit from directing the new bond film

https://news.sky.com/story/new-james-bond-movie-delayed-after-director-danny-boyle-quits-11481157
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 25, 2018, 08:27:24 AM
Danny boyle has quit from directing the new bond film

https://news.sky.com/story/new-james-bond-movie-delayed-after-director-danny-boyle-quits-11481157

Yeah that shits crazy. If they keep Hodge’s script, hopefully they can find a replacement quick enough that they don’t have to miss a beat and still make the deadline.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kattelox on August 25, 2018, 08:34:34 AM
Well, hopefully they can find someone soon who can make the film the best it can be... Feels like forever between Bond films, so a delay isn't going to help.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 18, 2018, 05:12:02 PM
Skyfall is not my favorite bond film, but I think it might have my favorite moment in the entire series.

When silva has him in the chair and he's trying to rattle him by flirting with him and without missing a beat, craig is like "who said its my first time". What a come back, :clap:  bravo sir
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Polarbear on September 21, 2018, 07:50:48 AM
It looks like Cary Fukunaga is directing the next bond film.

Really weird choice. He made Beast of No Nation, and directed/ produced some episodes of True Detective.

I'm pretty interested to see the direction he's taking Bond!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Polarbear on September 21, 2018, 07:52:22 AM
Double post.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 21, 2018, 09:28:35 AM
I’m not familiar with any of his work, but people on the James Bond forum that I stalk say that he is definitely the right choice without a doubt. So fingers crossed!
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Kattelox on September 21, 2018, 09:32:51 AM
Skyfall is not my favorite bond film, but I think it might have my favorite moment in the entire series.

When silva has him in the chair and he's trying to rattle him by flirting with him and without missing a beat, craig is like "who said its my first time". What a come back, :clap:  bravo sir

I love that line. Made me smile in the theater. So good.

Great to hear they have someone for the film. Never heard of him, will have to look up his work and put my faith in him.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: Volante99 on September 25, 2018, 10:49:36 PM
Unpopular opinion:

I don’t understand the love Skyfall gets. It doesn’t feel like a Bond movie at all. It’s too personal, I never really wanted to visit Bond’s childhood home, or watch some weird M revenge movie.

There are just lots of cringe-moments too. Bond sneaking into the shower of someone he learned in the previous scene had been sex trafficked. Yes, Bond has always been a dog but coome on. I also couldn’t stop giggling when someone in the movie said a line like “James hid in that hole and when he came out he wasn’t a boy anymore”.
 
Also the CGI Komodo dragons. Also the Javier Bardem CGI face. Shudder.

I could forgive all this and call it an “okay” Bond, but it’s nowhere near the top for me.
 

Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: ozzy554 on September 26, 2018, 06:26:20 AM
I always feel that Spectre was unfairly bashed. Sure It wasn't as great as Skyfall but it wasn't bad or anything. It's like Bond movies arent allowed to be just good anymore. It seems they're either seen as great or crap. Spectre was a lot of fun and was more like an older Bond movie.......which some people said is a bad thing for some reason.
Title: Re: The James Bond Thread
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 26, 2018, 09:19:03 AM
Unpopular opinion:

I don’t understand the love Skyfall gets. It doesn’t feel like a Bond movie at all. It’s too personal, I never really wanted to visit Bond’s childhood home, or watch some weird M revenge movie.

There are just lots of cringe-moments too. Bond sneaking into the shower of someone he learned in the previous scene had been sex trafficked. Yes, Bond has always been a dog but coome on. I also couldn’t stop giggling when someone in the movie said a line like “James hid in that hole and when he came out he wasn’t a boy anymore”.
 
Also the CGI Komodo dragons. Also the Javier Bardem CGI face. Shudder.

I could forgive all this and call it an “okay” Bond, but it’s nowhere near the top for me.

I think it’s as beloved as it is because of the acting, cinematography, and how overall stylish it is. And yes, it has a simple story but it was executed really well.