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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: yeshaberto on March 06, 2010, 08:26:47 PM
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I am listening to SDOIT off Score right now, and I am :biggrin: because
1. I was there as they played this song
2. Because I remember that monumental moment during this song when the curtains rose and there beheld an orchestra
Combine this with the thought of seeing them at MSG in a few months, makes me want to join hands with those of you who were also there and just simply appreciate that magical night of pure musical euphoria
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Really wish I could have been there. I'm pretty sure I had no idea who DT was at the time though.
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I think I was playing LOTR Risk ( :metal) with a few friends at the time, and I was sitting at my computer, constantly hitting refresh, getting the set list for the evening. Very cool.
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I think I was playing LOTR Risk ( :metal) with a few friends at the time, and I was sitting at my computer, constantly hitting refresh, getting the set list for the evening. Very cool.
This is the best possible way to spend the night other than actually being there.
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Score was such an amazing night, and an amazing party during the day as well!
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Score is my fav. concert DVD and I can imagine how amazing it probably would have been if i were actually there... I hope I can make it to the MSG show.
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Score was cool, but I'd have much rather been at the Roseland Ballroom gig. Better setlist and the orchestra didn't really do a whole lot for me. Certainly glad I went, but it wasn't the be all end all for me.
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Very fond memories of that whole week - flying out to the east coast and catching a bunch of shows out there, finishing it off with a gig at the RCMH. An amazing gig and an amazing time, meeting up with fellow DT fans I've known for years. And getting to go to the aftershow was a great experience too. :biggrin:
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Hearing The Root Of All Evil on Score really solidified it for me as one of the best songs on Octavarium.
I mean, how can you not go nuts to that riff and song live? Damn...
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Score was cool, but I'd have much rather been at the Roseland Ballroom gig. Better setlist and the orchestra didn't really do a whole lot for me. Certainly glad I went, but it wasn't the be all end all for me.
I kinda feel the same. One of the things that stood out for me for RCMH was that the sound was incredible. Every single part of the performance was so clear I couldn't believe that it was happening in a live setting.
Hearing The Root Of All Evil on Score really solidified it for me as one of the best songs on Octavarium.
I mean, how can you not go nuts to that riff and song live? Damn...
Answer: You sit through I Walk Beside You immediately after.
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Score was cool, but I'd have much rather been at the Roseland Ballroom gig. Better setlist and the orchestra didn't really do a whole lot for me. Certainly glad I went, but it wasn't the be all end all for me.
I kinda feel the same. One of the things that stood out for me for RCMH was that the sound was incredible. Every single part of the performance was so clear I couldn't believe that it was happening in a live setting.
Because it wasn't very loud. I suppose it's a good trade off. I certainly appreciated the clarity, but I remember thinking I would have liked it to be louder.
Hearing The Root Of All Evil on Score really solidified it for me as one of the best songs on Octavarium.
I mean, how can you not go nuts to that riff and song live? Damn...
Answer: You sit through I Walk Beside You immediately after.
QFT
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I love how labrie just beasts out an quick F# on the 4th line of about to crash reprise. Its like '93 again!
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Hearing The Root Of All Evil on Score really solidified it for me as one of the best songs on Octavarium.
I mean, how can you not go nuts to that riff and song live? Damn...
Answer: You sit through I Walk Beside You immediately after.
Nah, the live version of the song is pretty good IMO.
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I don't think you understand. El Barto might be able to back me up on this but the energy level from TROAE to IWBY literally went from:
:metal
to
:|
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Score was such an amazing night, and an amazing party during the day as well!
Even with the unfortunate accident of the hat?
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Even watching the DVD there were just so many awesome moments that I wished I had a friend who cared about DT to tell them to. The gong at the end of SDOiT was great. :lol
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Score was such an amazing night, and an amazing party during the day as well!
Even with the unfortunate accident of the hat?
Believe it or not, most people at RCMH knew nothing about the hat.
Yes, it was an incredible show for me as well.
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I love how labrie just beasts out an quick F# on the 4th line of about to crash reprise. Its like '93 again!
The end of Another Won sticks out as another awesome LaBrie moment as well.
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I don't think you understand. El Barto might be able to back me up on this but the energy level from TROAE to IWBY literally went from:
:metal
to
:|
Heh. Kinda like on the actual album.
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Score was such an amazing night, and an amazing party during the day as well!
Even with the unfortunate accident of the hat?
Believe it or not, most people at RCMH knew nothing about the hat.
I wasn't talking about the general people at RCMH. But the ones that went to the 4/1 meetup.
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Score was such an amazing night, and an amazing party during the day as well!
Even with the unfortunate accident of the hat?
Believe it or not, most people at RCMH knew nothing about the hat.
I wasn't talking about the general people at RCMH. But the ones that went to the 4/1 meetup.
It didn't ruin anyone's evening. It was too funny.
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Score was such an amazing night, and an amazing party during the day as well!
Even with the unfortunate accident of the hat?
Believe it or not, most people at RCMH knew nothing about the hat.
I wasn't talking about the general people at RCMH. But the ones that went to the 4/1 meetup.
It didn't ruin anyone's evening. It was too funny.
I wasn't trying to say it ruined anyone's evening.
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What are you trying to say?
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My first DT concert was three days before this one, if that counts for something :p
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What are you trying to say?
Just remembering that event and how much it was used as an inside joke on DT.net and DTF.com.
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What are you trying to say?
Just remembering that event and how much it was used as an inside joke on DT.net and DTF.com.
I don't think the joke worked very well this time. :lol
hefdaddy42: ruining jokes since 1972
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My first DT concert was three days before this one, if that counts for something :p
Nope.
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:emo:
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What are you trying to say?
Just remembering that event and how much it was used as an inside joke on DT.net and DTF.com.
I don't think the joke worked very well this time. :lol
hefdaddy42: killing Brits since 1972
Closer.
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What are you trying to say?
Just remembering that event and how much it was used as an inside joke on DT.net and DTF.com.
I don't think the joke worked very well this time. :lol
hefdaddy42: killing Brits since 1972
Closer.
:sadpanda:
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RCMH was easily the best concert I have ever attended. The only thing that bummed me out was that the curtain got stuck after the first set, leaving part of the stage still exposed. I was in the seventh row and was able to see the Orchestra gearing up on stage. Either way though, it was still epic.
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I didn't notice that about the curtain...I was in the back of the 2nd mezzinine, so I guess that was one bonus to being so far away :)
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Heh. I knew about the orchestra in Sept. of 2005 when MP and I walked around Chicago a little while before the CatSM show. :biggrin:
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WELL, I GUESS YOU THINK YOUR SPECIAL HUH?
Yeah, you pretty much are, dammit.
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No I'm not. Actually, I apologize for posting that - I shouldn't have. I don't mean to come off as bragging, which is what it really ends up being. So sorry for that.
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ah, it would be hard not to with something like that...very cool! you don't come across generally like that, though. I'm sure you have plenty of other stories that you could boast about and you don't.
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No I'm not. Actually, I apologize for posting that - I shouldn't have. I don't mean to come off as bragging, which is what it really ends up being. So sorry for that.
It's not a problem man, most of us here know you are close to Mike and it is usually cool to hear your stories, even if it makes us envious. :)
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No I'm not. Actually, I apologize for posting that - I shouldn't have. I don't mean to come off as bragging, which is what it really ends up being. So sorry for that.
I agree with everyone. You are definitely not one of the braggers.
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No I'm not. Actually, I apologize for posting that - I shouldn't have. I don't mean to come off as bragging, which is what it really ends up being. So sorry for that.
It's not a problem man, most of us here know you are close to Mike and it is usually cool to hear your stories, even if it makes us envious. :)
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I've been tempted to click on this thread for a few days now, but I didn't know what RCMH stood for. Finally, I got it. Radio City Music Hall.
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I would have to think about it, but I am not sure I would rank this performance in the top 5 of the 15 times I have seen DT live. It was just OK for me...
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Actual performance or setlist wise?
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Actual performance or setlist wise?
A bit of both. I agree with sentiment that the orchestra was not used in an effective manner. Keeping the setlist in the same structure as the rest of the 8V tour only served to emphasize that point. There are many tunes from SFAM and before that could have benefited from the presence of the orchestra.
I actually quite enjoyed the first set of the RCMH performance, with the inclusion of some rarities (Raising the Knife and IF, for example). But the whole second set dragged for me. It was my third time seeing SDOIT in its entirety (saw it twice on that tour) and I was never too hot on the song to begin with, depsite liking some of its individual parts (WIMH/TTTSTA, SS). Sacrficed Sons was a complete concert buzz kill, and the title track to Octavarium is another song that simply does not appeal to me. Taking into account my thoughts on SDOIT, SacSons, and 8V, that is more than a third of the concert I was getting no real enjoyment out of.
Performance-wise, I don't know if I would call this the apex of the band firing on all cylinders. There had been steady improvement up from SFAM through the ToT tour and I think they simply maintained it through the 8V tour. Nothing on this particular show stood out as being anything superior to what I had heard in previous concerts I atteneded or boots that I have collected.
I know part of my feelings on this show can be traced back to my general dissatisfaction with the band's output post-SFAM, but I do have an aprpeciation of how well the stuff on SDOIT and ToT translated to the live setting. Of the boots I have collected, when I am looking for DT live, 90 percent of the time I reach for ToT shows. I think they were at their best on that tour and as where I won't listen to the studio version of ToT, the songs really translated well live and it makes those shows in particular a real treat to listen to. I just never got that same feeling with any material on 8V, SC or even BC&SL.
I just walked out of RCMH feeling it just didn't live up to the hype. In contrast, I though the show at the Theater at Madison Square Garden on the ToT tour was a lot better and one of the most memorable DT concerts I have attended. The Score recording at RCMH and the subsequent shows that I have attended (CiM tour in Baltimore MD and Wantagh NY and the Prog Nation '09 show in Columbia MD) has really put into focus just how much I have lost that connection with the band's music...
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Yes, the MGS show was incredible. Seeing A Change of Seasons was easily the highlight.
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*makes note to self to dust off the boot collection and make sure I have the MSG show*
Wow, SW, you are certainly entitled to your own individualized musical tastes, as we all are, and I'm not knocking you for what you like and don't like, but I'm surprised that you don't seem to care much for songs that are not only recognized fan favorites, but that many considered the highlight of the show.
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Why is there a Chili Peppers thread on the DT-side?
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*makes note to self to dust off the boot collection and make sure I have the MSG show*
Wow, SW, you are certainly entitled to your own individualized musical tastes, as we all are, and I'm not knocking you for what you like and don't like, but I'm surprised that you don't seem to care much for songs that are not only recognized fan favorites, but that many considered the highlight of the show.
Well, add me to your surprise list, because I agree with SW. I didn't attend the RCMH show, but SCORE's second half would have annoyed me to no end. I saw (with SW, coincidentally) the Six Degrees tour in Boston, and while I have an appreciate for the title track, I just didn't need to see it again. Didn't do much for me.
Actually, I can probably just say in regard to this conversation, everything SW said about the songs and orchestra pertains to me as well...along with part of the reason being traced back to my overall dissatisfaction with post-SFAM material (and some OF SFAM, to be honest).
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The second half didn't annoy me, but it's certainly not what I would have preferred. The only place I really disagree with SW is Octavarium. The orchestra did help with that, but that's because it was originally written with those parts in mind. I never really like it when orchestral parts are added to preexisting songs. That being the case, the rest of the set, save Overture, didn't really work so well for me.
As for the performance, it was the best I've seen them. JLB never really goes all out when they play Dallas, so it was a treat to actually see the man do well.
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I remember getting home that night, going to dt.net, seeing the set list, and thinking, "Wow, that is an awfully underwhelming set list for a 20th anniversary show." Too many "lesser" DT songs were played, and too many absolute classics were not played, considering it was an anniversary show. Some great songs were played, yes, but no one will ever convince me that playing "The Answer Lies Within" at their 20th anniversary show was a good idea.
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I think the mindset was "well we have an orchestra so let's just cram all the songs we use strings/orchestra parts into the second set". I also agree that TALW is so insignificant of a song that it wastes time and I'd throw Vacant in the mix mainly because SoC is nowhere to be found (I'm also not a huge fan of Vacant). That's 8-9 minutes worth of space that could be used for a more exciting song.
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I remember getting home that night, going to dt.net, seeing the set list, and thinking, "Wow, that is an awfully underwhelming set list for a 20th anniversary show." Too many "lesser" DT songs were played, and too many absolute classics were not played, considering it was an anniversary show. Some great songs were played, yes, but no one will ever convince me that playing "The Answer Lies Within" at their 20th anniversary show was a good idea.
I agree, but I guess they nedded a rest after a 45 minutes song and before a 24 minutes song. They are not machine after all.
BUT, I agree that The Answer Lies Within was a bad choice.
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I don't know. I thought it was perfect, as they were shooting for a DVD, and wanted to include not only fan favorites but songs that hadn't been on DVDs yet. Score reaches the middle-ground very well. Maybe it doesn't cater to people who don't like the post SFAM output very much, but I don't know why those people would bother buying the DVD anyway. And Budokan really makes up for every one of Score's downfalls.
That's the cool thing about the DT DVDs. Between Score, Budokan, LSFNY, LiT/OIALT, and CiM, there really is something for every walk to DT fandom.
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I remember getting home that night, going to dt.net, seeing the set list, and thinking, "Wow, that is an awfully underwhelming set list for a 20th anniversary show." Too many "lesser" DT songs were played, and too many absolute classics were not played, considering it was an anniversary show. Some great songs were played, yes, but no one will ever convince me that playing "The Answer Lies Within" at their 20th anniversary show was a good idea.
I was at the show, it was my first ever DT show after loving them since 1992, and TALW was the only time during either set that I sat down. It was a huge letdown.
But everything else was amazing. And frankly, I can't imagine them performing at a higher level than they did that night.
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That's more along the lines of most of the responses I saw at the time. I'm really glad they did all of SDOIT. Aside from it being my favorite song, it hadn't yet shown up on any live release at that time (we didn't have Bucharest yet), so I was really excited that they decided to play it. I remember a few days before the show when they brought out two of the movements of SDOIT they hadn't yet played, and I told Hef, "watch, they're going to play the whole thing at RCMH!" I remember watching my phone in anticipation during the show as 9:00 kept texting me the set as each song was played. Once they got into the third movement of SDOIT, I knew they were going to go straight through, and I was stoked waiting for the inevitable DVD. Vacant, with orchestra was incredible. Octavarium is in most fans' top 10, and Metropolis is always a favorite. So, really, yeah, the only down point is TALW (and I know some people don't like SS, but I'm glad they did it with the orchestra--already amazing song was even more amazing). It's just a shame they didn't have a few more minutes to play around with. Even though it's already on a DVD, it would have been great to get SOC with the orchestra after Vacant. But they would have still needed another good 7-8 minutes even if they cut TALW. Oh well. Still a great set.
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Set-list wise, it's not my favourite DVD. A great shame is that some songs of 6DOIT are already in Budokan, and I know that MP still hits his head for that while playing drums.
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Yeah. I really wish I could have been at the show, but that was really before I started going to concerts. I remember when it happened and when the DVD came out, though, and what bosk and hef are saying is pretty much what I remember most people saying after the show and after the DVD came out. Well, that and wondering if LaBrie was overdubbed.
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Actually, TALW was one of the second set parts that didn't bother me. The orchestra actually added something to it. As for 6D, I had already seen that in Dallas on the previous tour, so it was certainly not my first choice. And after the overture, the orchestra really didn't add much.
I do remember being disappointed that SoC didn't follow.
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I am listening to SDOIT off Score right now, and I am :biggrin: because
1. I was there as they played this song
2. Because I remember that monumental moment during this song when the curtains rose and there beheld an orchestra
Combine this with the thought of seeing them at MSG in a few months, makes me want to join hands with those of you who were also there and just simply appreciate that magical night of pure musical euphoria
what can i say, the only thing i can do is to envy you, :D
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oh, besides, it's until i watched score that i realized "innocence faded" can be sung by a real voice.
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I am listening to SDOIT off Score right now, and I am :biggrin: because
1. I was there as they played this song
2. Because I remember that monumental moment during this song when the curtains rose and there beheld an orchestra
Combine this with the thought of seeing them at MSG in a few months, makes me want to join hands with those of you who were also there and just simply appreciate that magical night of pure musical euphoria
what can i say, the only thing i can do is to envy you, :D
finally....ok, the thread can be locked now
:biggrin:
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The orchestra added a lot to 6DOIT, Sacrificed Sons, Octavarium, and TALW which is why they probably chose to play it
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The orchestra added a lot to 6DOIT, Sacrificed Sons, Octavarium, and TALW which is why they probably chose to play it
Really?
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I love the orchestra on metropolis.
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I agree the orchestra added a lot to Metropolis.
However, I was not impressed by their performance on 6DOIT. They seemed under-rehearsed or something, they just weren't very tight, and they were playing (what seemed like) what jordan was already playing. I'd figure if they were going to add an orchestra, they should treat it they way they did metropolis, adding in extra parts that weren't on the CD, not just doubling jordan or something.
I think there's a few bad parts about the show over all.
1. 6DOIT being 1 track, it means I have to skip the whole thing or fastfoward it or something. I don't want to hear overture THAT often.
2. Songs like TALW, Vacant, SS and such, just didn't much. I mean, vacant maybe, but the rest not at all.
3. Octavarium having that 2 hour jack off session of an intro. It was long enough on the CD, did they REALLY need to expand it that much?
Aside from that it was great. The first half was good, and the performance was amazing.
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Score was probably my favorite Dream Theater show that I've ever been too.
Overall, I liked it more than Roseland in 2000, The two Beacon shows in 2002, The Theater at MSG show in 2004. I think I even liked it more than 11/14/89 when they opened for Marillion.
I loved the set too. I don't think there was one song at Radio City that I didn't want to hear, maybe Another Won I could have done without even recognizing its historical importance.
I'm not sure I'd say the set was better than Roseland or the Beacon shows only because there was more music at those shows, but the vibe in that place was unbelieveable (and the DVD does a super job at getting that across).
The only other time I felt a vibe more unbelieveable than that was Rush's opening show in Hartford in 2002.
I still can't decide if I like The Spirit Carries On from 2000 with the choir (I'd love to hear more with the choir, that was pure genius) or the one with Petrucci's guitar solo at Radio City.
Score was an incredibly special show. I remember thinking it would be nearly impossible to top that show and based on the shows I've been to since, I don't think they have, but I think James and the band keep honing their craft in a live setting.
MSG will no doubt be special for the band, but I don't think it's on the same scale for me as a fan.
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I agree the orchestra added a lot to Metropolis.
However, I was not impressed by their performance on 6DOIT. They seemed under-rehearsed or something, they just weren't very tight, and they were playing (what seemed like) what jordan was already playing. I'd figure if they were going to add an orchestra, they should treat it they way they did metropolis, adding in extra parts that weren't on the CD, not just doubling jordan or something.
I think there's a few bad parts about the show over all.
1. 6DOIT being 1 track, it means I have to skip the whole thing or fastfoward it or something. I don't want to hear overture THAT often.
2. Songs like TALW, Vacant, SS and such, just didn't much. I mean, vacant maybe, but the rest not at all.
3. Octavarium having that 2 hour jack off session of an intro. It was long enough on the CD, did they REALLY need to expand it that much?
Aside from that it was great. The first half was good, and the performance was amazing.
Totally agree on point 3. Heck, they could have squeezed another short song in somewhere if they hadn't felt it necessary to give Jordan so much time on that intro.
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Well, I didn't go to RCMH, but I did see them in Boston 2 nights earlier. I figured when they opened the second set with About To Crash, WIMH, & TTTSTA, they were doing the entire 6 D's in NY.
As far as the Score video goes, I've been reading about some people's disappointment that Sacrificed Sons was included. It shouldn't have been a surprise considering it was played the entire tour....But the point I wanted to make about it, is in the video, during the instrumental part, it seemed as though the band collectively let out a giant exhale. It's an incredible moment on the DVD.
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Well, I didn't go to RCMH, but I did see them in Boston 2 nights earlier. I figured when they opened the second set with About To Crash, WIMH, & TTTSTA, they were doing the entire 6 D's in NY.
That was my exact worry.
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Did anyone see take the time on the octavarium tour? on MP.com it says they played it a couple times before RCMH.
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I definitely remember it being played, but I did not personally see it. I started a "place your bets on the RCMH setlist" thread, and I remember betting that that would be the I&W song. That was one of the few I got wrong.
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I'm kinda surprised to see which posters didn't like seeing all of 6 D's at the RCMH show. To me, that song represents DT going for their core sound (even though JR wrote a bunch of the melodies).
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It's always been a mediocre work to me. I'll admit it's ambitious and I can respect that but in the entire 42 minutes I just don't find any of it really that interesting. I don't wanna call it bland but it seems like a suite of B and C grade musical components at best. Yeah the orchestra made me kinda like it but I still won't ever rate the entire thing more than a 6 or 7.
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I disagree about it all being B or C grade, but I definitely agree about the overall product being a little underwhelming. I think there's plenty of A grade stuff in there, but there is enough of it that is less interesting to bring it down a little, plus I think the overall flow of it is not that great. Still an 8/10 song for me, but it could have been so much more.
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I generally agree with the last few posts. If I took all of Disc 2 as individual songs, none of them would come close to being among my favorite songs. It is like a collection of good to very good songs, and since the cohesiveness of it all falls a bit short, I agree that it is a bit underwhelming as a whole. The last half of "Goodnight Kiss" is still one of the best moments of the entire 6DOIT record, though. :coolio
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The last half of "Goodnight Kiss" is still one of the best moments of the entire 6DOIT record, though. :coolio
And the first half, on the other hand, is one of the worst moments on the entire record. :p
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I can't believe some of the people in this thread are complaining about having to hear SDOIT for the second time??? I haven't even heard it played once. It is one of their best songs (in my top 5), makes me cry :(
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^I agree. I think most people on here forget how fortunate they are to see 3 Dt evening with shows back to back.
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Two. I'm not that rich.
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The flip side is that you could live in Dallas, where DT only comes around every 3-5 years. In that case, traveling to NYC and seeing the same 50 minute song you actually got to see the year before is kind of a drag. Their rotating setlist thing is great a lot of the time, but it can also bite you in the ass sometimes.
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Did anyone see take the time on the octavarium tour? on MP.com it says they played it a couple times before RCMH.
They played it a week earlier at the Paramount Theater show in Asbury Park NJ. Listening to it right now. Overall, IMO, that show had a really good setlist.
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Did anyone see take the time on the octavarium tour? on MP.com it says they played it a couple times before RCMH.
They played it a week earlier at the Paramount Theater show in Asbury Park NJ. Listening to it right now. Overall, IMO, that show had a really good setlist.
You mean you have a bootleg of the show? I wonder, was labrie any good with take the time then? did they do it different to the CiM version with mike on vocals for verse 1??
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Did anyone see take the time on the octavarium tour? on MP.com it says they played it a couple times before RCMH.
They played it a week earlier at the Paramount Theater show in Asbury Park NJ. Listening to it right now. Overall, IMO, that show had a really good setlist.
You mean you have a bootleg of the show? I wonder, was labrie any good with take the time then? did they do it different to the CiM version with mike on vocals for verse 1??
They played it in Boston. Although James didn't look great, he sounded awesome.
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Did anyone see take the time on the octavarium tour? on MP.com it says they played it a couple times before RCMH.
They played it a week earlier at the Paramount Theater show in Asbury Park NJ. Listening to it right now. Overall, IMO, that show had a really good setlist.
You mean you have a bootleg of the show? I wonder, was labrie any good with take the time then? did they do it different to the CiM version with mike on vocals for verse 1??
No Mike on vocals. It's all James. For the most part, he sounds good. But, it sounds like he just doesn't quite reach the high notes in the "If there's a pensive fear, ... Suppression that he feels must turn to hope" section. A little flat.
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where can i get my hands on this bootleg?
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On a random note, i was watching score the other day and interestingly during the intervals of octavarium i noticed a few members of the crowds raising their hands in the air with the number of the interval that MP says. Never realised before.
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Score was such an amazing night, and an amazing party during the day as well!
Even with the unfortunate accident of the hat?
Huh?
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Bump.
Since DT was fined with what, $30K for staying some extra minutes on stage wouldn't they be able to have said: "Oh, well... let's play three more songs"? Or they got charged $10K for the extra minute?
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Bump.
Since DT was fined with what, $30K for staying some extra minutes on stage wouldn't they be able to have said: "Oh, well... let's play three more songs"? Or they got charged $10K for the extra minute?
The way I understand it, the curfew was 11:00. They left the stage at 11:03. The fine was 10k per minute they went past curfew. So, wouldn't have been a good idea to stay on. ;)
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I wish I could have seen it live, but I didn't know who DT was at the time, nor did my 13 year old self care at the time.
As for the CD, it's great to listen to, even if I find the sound quality lacking compared to other live releases. It just sounds too distant
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Bump.
Since DT was fined with what, $30K for staying some extra minutes on stage wouldn't they be able to have said: "Oh, well... let's play three more songs"? Or they got charged $10K for the extra minute?
The way I understand it, the curfew was 11:00. They left the stage at 11:03. The fine was 10k per minute they went past curfew. So, wouldn't have been a good idea to stay on. ;)
This.
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Bump.
Since DT was fined with what, $30K for staying some extra minutes on stage wouldn't they be able to have said: "Oh, well... let's play three more songs"? Or they got charged $10K for the extra minute?
It's 10k per minute to stay on that stage, so if they played 3 more songs they would have probably have had to pay nearly half a million with the length of their songs. :lol
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It definitely was a great show to be at, but I wasn't particularly fond of the setlist and the orchestra wasn't that great IMO. But hearing Octavarium live made me fall in love with the track.
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Bump.
Since DT was fined with what, $30K for staying some extra minutes on stage wouldn't they be able to have said: "Oh, well... let's play three more songs"? Or they got charged $10K for the extra minute?
It's 10k per minute to stay on that stage, so if they played 3 more songs they would have probably have had to pay nearly half a million with the length of their songs. :lol
Apparently, there are very few "union" halls left in the country. NYC happens to have 2 of them with RCMH and MSG. Even if bands want to play extra long, the financial ramifications typically keep them from doing so.
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I love Score, might be my favorite live album by DT
but...
Ive always had a problem with the fact that the heavier side of the band is misrepresented, or at least any 7 string madness. The Test That Stumped Them All is the closest we got to that, but if I'm not mistaken, JP is not playing a 7 string on that song. Besides Train Of Thought songs, which I understand the entire album was essentially on Budokan, even HTF; why not at least one low end heavy song? Was it just the way the set list worked out and was just a coincidence?
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amazing show -- my first dt concert. I hope they play there again.
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Just listening to disk 3 of Score. :hearts:
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Did anyone see take the time on the octavarium tour? on MP.com it says they played it a couple times before RCMH.
They played it a week earlier at the Paramount Theater show in Asbury Park NJ. Listening to it right now. Overall, IMO, that show had a really good setlist.
You mean you have a bootleg of the show? I wonder, was labrie any good with take the time then? did they do it different to the CiM version with mike on vocals for verse 1??
This question had been bugging me the most FOREVER. I requested DTbootlegs on YouTube to upload it, and they did!! James was way flat the entire time, very disappointing considering how great some of his high stuff was that tour. Maybe it was better on another night...
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I am listening to SDOIT off Score right now, and I am :biggrin: because
1. I was there as they played this song
2. Because I remember that monumental moment during this song when the curtains rose and there beheld an orchestra
Combine this with the thought of seeing them at MSG in a few months, makes me want to join hands with those of you who were also there and just simply appreciate that magical night of pure musical euphoria
I think I was the only one who was kinda disappointed that they played Six Degrees at Score, they pretty much played it on Budokan.
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WHat exactly is a " special huh " ?
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Just listening to disk 3 of Score. :hearts:
Was actually thinking about putting on the entire second set on before, but I chose to listen to Beardfish instead.
Still might throw Score on, maybe just do the whole dang show.
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Did anyone see take the time on the octavarium tour? on MP.com it says they played it a couple times before RCMH.
They played it a week earlier at the Paramount Theater show in Asbury Park NJ. Listening to it right now. Overall, IMO, that show had a really good setlist.
You mean you have a bootleg of the show? I wonder, was labrie any good with take the time then? did they do it different to the CiM version with mike on vocals for verse 1??
This question had been bugging me the most FOREVER. I requested DTbootlegs on YouTube to upload it, and they did!! James was way flat the entire time, very disappointing considering how great some of his high stuff was that tour. Maybe it was better on another night...
I was at the Paramount Theater show. Front row in front of John Myung. I remember they played Take The Time second or third song into the first set.
Can I tell you me and a friend of mine were on mushrooms for that show? (not necessarily the best thing to do for a DT show, but it was fun)
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I am listening to SDOIT off Score right now, and I am :biggrin: because
1. I was there as they played this song
2. Because I remember that monumental moment during this song when the curtains rose and there beheld an orchestra
Combine this with the thought of seeing them at MSG in a few months, makes me want to join hands with those of you who were also there and just simply appreciate that magical night of pure musical euphoria
I think I was the only one who was kinda disappointed that they played Six Degrees at Score, they pretty much played it on Budokan.
Yes, especially when I found out what songs MP had to ditch due to time considerations. :censored
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I am listening to SDOIT off Score right now, and I am :biggrin: because
1. I was there as they played this song
2. Because I remember that monumental moment during this song when the curtains rose and there beheld an orchestra
Combine this with the thought of seeing them at MSG in a few months, makes me want to join hands with those of you who were also there and just simply appreciate that magical night of pure musical euphoria
I think I was the only one who was kinda disappointed that they played Six Degrees at Score, they pretty much played it on Budokan.
Yes, especially when I found out what songs MP had to ditch due to time considerations. :censored
What songs did he ditch?
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I guess I put it into perspective like this....
"Score", I watch over and over at home, on planes, etc.... Budokan, I haven't watched more than 3 times since it came out. Same with LSFNY. "Score" is the be all end all off DT DVD's for me.
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I've been tempted to click on this thread for a few days now, but I didn't know what RCMH stood for. Finally, I got it. Radio City Music Hall.
Thanks, I thought I'd never figure it out.
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I recently rewatched Score, and decided to revive this thread instead of opening a new one to mindlessly rave about it(Given this is the thread linked to in the Index Of Albums & Songs sticky, I assume that's the correct proceedure?). Goddamn is Score good. James is on fire to a degree you won't see on pretty much any other DT live release, the setlist is ridiculous and amazing, it sounds really great, Vacant with an orchestra is perfection, and if it wasn't for When Dream And Day Reunite, this would be the definitive performance of Metropolis Pt. 1.
This has always been my favourite live DVD, and watching it again after not having seen it in several months reaffirmed that for me very strongly. :)
Awesome DVD. Only thing that wasn't so great is that I noticed a lot of macroblocking... Poor DVD can't handle all the moving bright colours and lights. :lol
I suppose there is also the minor audio issues with James's mic; sounds like for some verses and such he's holding it too close to his face, or they lost the feed on the recording of his pre-compression vocals or something, or the reverb filter went temporarily insane... Still, fairly minor technical issues, I suppose.
I do wish they'd reissue this on Blu-Ray. Score in HD would be :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
... Y'know, actually I do legitimately wonder why they haven't done that, now that I think about it... They did it for Budokan seven years ago, so you'd they'd have done Score already...
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I really want to love this live album but the setlist just baffles me. I get that they wanted to include some deep cuts as well as songs that hadn't made previous live albums but there were some other shows from this tour with significantly better setlists.
Here's one of my favorite DT boots, Paris 6 Oct 2005:
1. The Root of All Evil
2. Never Enough
3. Another Won
4. Afterlife
5. Under a Glass Moon
6. The Mirror
7. Lie
8. Raise the Knife
9. Peruvian jam/
10. Peruvian Skies (w/ Wish You Were Here (Pink Floyd) and Wherever I May Roam (Metallica))
11. Home
~~~intermission~~~
12. The Glass Prison
13. This Dying Soul
14. I Walk Beside You
15. Sacrificed Sons
16. Octavarium
~~~encore~~~
17. The Spirit Carries On
18. Learning To Live (w/ extended instrumental section)
It swaps out Innocence Faded for Mirror/Lie, adds Peruvian Skies while keeping Raising the Knife, adds Home while keeping The Spirit, swaps out SDOIT for Glass Prison (I can understand wanting to have all of SDOIT on one live album however), swaps Vacant for This Dying Soul, and cuts The Answer Lies Within (probably the worst track off 8VM). It also throws in Never Enough and Learning to Live for good measure. Why the hell was THIS show or a show with a comparable setlist not their 20th anniversary live album??
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Royal Canadian Mounted Hosers?
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I agree on the setlist, as cool as the orchestra was I didn't care for the entirety of Six Degrees, especially since a large chunk of it was on Budokan.
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I agree on the setlist, as cool as the orchestra was I didn't care for the entirety of Six Degrees, especially since a large chunk of it was on Budokan.
Which is why I only ever listen to Disc 1 of Score.
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Were you at the show Tim?
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Were you at the show Tim?
No, I saw them in Boston the night before.
That was a great tour. The boots from the tour are amazing.
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I never checked them out, any particular shows you'd recommend?
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I never checked them out, any particular shows you'd recommend?
Wow, there's so many. I'd have to look through what I have. It's actually been a while since I ran through them.
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The setlist was perfect for the show. I'd managed to work out what they were going to play in advance, it was pretty well signposted, and I think I was spot on in the end.
Was listening to a bootleg of the Score show recently and James was very good that night.
And yes, that was one hell of a tour. That was the Dream Theater I loved.
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Definitely a great tour, and a ton of fantastic bootlegs.
I have a few quibbles with the setlist, but it was a great show, and the first DT show I ever attended. Incredible.
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Why the hell was THIS show or a show with a comparable setlist not their 20th anniversary live album??
Because of incorporating the orchestra and time limits. IIRC, there were some shows on that tour that were notably longer than the Score show, and even though MP timed everything as best as possible, they still ran 3 minutes over curfew at the Score show! But especially given the fact that they were doing the second part of the show with the orchestra, trying to play TGP and TDS with an orchestra really wouldn't work. OTOH, with SDoIT, Vacant and TALW, it did.
That being said, I agree - there were many other shows from that tour where I preferred the setlist to the one from Score. I think my personal favorite of a single setlist was the Philly show, although even then I would've probably wanted to mix'n'match some other songs instead.
I agree on the setlist, as cool as the orchestra was I didn't care for the entirety of Six Degrees, especially since a large chunk of it was on Budokan.
Even MP acknowledged this himself in that he regretted including so much of SDoIT in the Budokan setlist in retrospect. But at the time he put together the Budokan setlist, he didn't have the Score show in mind.
And yes, that was one hell of a tour. That was the Dream Theater I loved.
I agree Paul - it marked the end of an era, even with MP.
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I really want to love this live album but the setlist just baffles me. I get that they wanted to include some deep cuts as well as songs that hadn't made previous live albums but there were some other shows from this tour with significantly better setlists.
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It swaps out Innocence Faded for Mirror/Lie, adds Peruvian Skies while keeping Raising the Knife, adds Home while keeping The Spirit, swaps out SDOIT for Glass Prison (I can understand wanting to have all of SDOIT on one live album however), swaps Vacant for This Dying Soul, and cuts The Answer Lies Within (probably the worst track off 8VM). It also throws in Never Enough and Learning to Live for good measure. Why the hell was THIS show or a show with a comparable setlist not their 20th anniversary live album??
IMO, swapping IF for Mirror/Lie is, at best, an even swap. Those are my three least favorite songs on Awake. I don't like Peruvian Skies either. SDOIT >>>>>>> TGP - especially with the orchestra. Losing Vacant for TDS is a big negative, and losing TALW for Never Enough is an even bigger negative. The only good changes are adding Home and LTL.
As far as the album, I've never owned Score, the album - but I do have the DVD. While I don't like some of the song choices (as expressed in a rather extensive thread that I think Bosk started a couple years ago), it is, all in all, an incredible setlist.
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I do wish they'd reissue this on Blu-Ray. Score in HD would be :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
... Y'know, actually I do legitimately wonder why they haven't done that, now that I think about it... They did it for Budokan seven years ago, so you'd they'd have done Score already...
I've been wondering the same thing. Score is definitely as definitive as Budokon and deserves the blue laser treatment.. 💫
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Score is definitely as definitive. . . .
Not to mention especially special!
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I saw the final three shows on this tour, and it was an incredible experience. Between the shows I saw, only three songs were played thrice.
In hindsight, maybe the Boston show was the best. Incredible versions of songs not on Score... Take the Time, Wait for Sleep, Learning to Live, Strange Deja Vu, Endless Sacrifice, A Fortune In Lies.... just an unreal setlist, and they were on fire in 2006 performance-wise.
But RCMH was my favorite show I've ever been to. I personally LOVED the setlist. As a newer fan at the time, it was my first time seeing a lot of that setlist. And many songs, they have not performed again: Another Won, Innocence Faded, Raise the Knife, Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (in full), and the rest of Act 2.
As many have said already, this was a special moment for the band, and they were at the very top of their game and career. It's never been the same since, though I've enjoyed everything they've done after.
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Yeah, take The Time was phenominal.
James was fantastic for this show, but my main memory was him and MP fighting during the first set. :lol
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Oh man fill us in, what was happening?
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Oh man fill us in, what was happening?
Yes, details please!
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MP was pissed off about something. I'm not sure if it was his monitors. He kept mouthing something angrily to someone off stage (JP's side). Whatever he was pissed off about seemed to have something to do with James. At one point James went towards the drums and you could tell they were having words. Another point James was going off for an instrumental section and MP yelled something at him, and James kind of waved his hand at him as if to say FU. And MP was shaking his head. All while the band was playing.
We were sitting in the second row in the balcony right above JP, so we were looking right down on MP. My wife, who during these years was buying me presents off of MP.com, was saying that he's acting like a big fucking baby, and I'm never buying you anything from his website again. :lol
Maybe Kev or Scotty or anyone else there remembers such a thing. Whatever was going on, it was smoothed out for the second set.
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Score is definitely as definitive. . . .
Not to mention especially special!
:lol
And equally as equal !
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MP was pissed off about something. I'm not sure if it was his monitors. He kept mouthing something angrily to someone off stage (JP's side). Whatever he was pissed off about seemed to have something to do with James. At one point James went towards the drums and you could tell they were having words. Another point James was going off for an instrumental section and MP yelled something at him, and James kind of waved his hand at him as if to say FU. And MP was shaking his head. All while the band was playing.
We were sitting in the second row in the balcony right above JP, so we were looking right down on MP. My wife, who during these years was buying me presents off of MP.com, was saying that he's acting like a big fucking baby, and I'm never buying you anything from his website again. :lol
Maybe Kev or Scotty or anyone else there remembers such a thing. Whatever was going on, it was smoothed out for the second set.
I've seen MP in various projects including DT and he definitely seems like he can have his moods, I felt like he was being a bit of a dick to his tech during the last winery dogs show but he could've just been messing around.
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I don't remember hearing about that incident, but then again there were so many with Mike Portnoy back in the day that it's hard to remember them all. :lol :lol
But hey, I suck at stress management these days, so I can sorta relate. :eek :facepalm:
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Yeah. Hooman's gonna hooman, and Mike'a a passionate chap.
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Yeah. Hooman's gonna hooman, and Mike'a a passionate chap.
Yeah he’s pretty OCD too, so if something’s off he can’t ignore it.
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MP was pissed off about something. I'm not sure if it was his monitors. He kept mouthing something angrily to someone off stage (JP's side). Whatever he was pissed off about seemed to have something to do with James. At one point James went towards the drums and you could tell they were having words. Another point James was going off for an instrumental section and MP yelled something at him, and James kind of waved his hand at him as if to say FU. And MP was shaking his head. All while the band was playing.
We were sitting in the second row in the balcony right above JP, so we were looking right down on MP. My wife, who during these years was buying me presents off of MP.com, was saying that he's acting like a big fucking baby, and I'm never buying you anything from his website again. :lol
Maybe Kev or Scotty or anyone else there remembers such a thing. Whatever was going on, it was smoothed out for the second set.
I was at that show (actually, I went to the last 4 20th Anniversary shows), but I don't remember that specific incident. Not that it didn't happen. While I don't remember him getting mad at JL, I remember being at the 2002 show in San Diego where JL didn't come back out to the front of the stage to take a final bow at the end of their set. And I also remember an occasion (although not which specific show) where MP was clearly mad at one of the 2007 east coast shows, I'm assuming because the video (for ItPoE2) wasn't in sync with the music. So yeah, he's a passionate chap that wants the show to be perfect.
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Why the hell was THIS show or a show with a comparable setlist not their 20th anniversary live album??
Because of incorporating the orchestra and time limits. IIRC, there were some shows on that tour that were notably longer than the Score show, and even though MP timed everything as best as possible, they still ran 3 minutes over curfew at the Score show! But especially given the fact that they were doing the second part of the show with the orchestra, trying to play TGP and TDS with an orchestra really wouldn't work. OTOH, with SDoIT, Vacant and TALW, it did.
That being said, I agree - there were many other shows from that tour where I preferred the setlist to the one from Score. I think my personal favorite of a single setlist was the Philly show, although even then I would've probably wanted to mix'n'match some other songs instead.
I remember this being discussed endlessly at the time, and while most of us LOVED the set that they played, we tried monkeying around with it within the strictures of what they were trying to accomplish, and there really just wasn't much they could have done differently once they decided on SDOIT being in the set.
To this day, I'm satisfied with the Score set. In retrospect, the one thing I might have changed to make it a more complete product representing the 20th anniversary tour would be, not to change the set from that show in any way, but to include a bonus additional show that had a different set, like the Paris set, for example. Or maybe just a collection of different songs from the tour from other shows. Maybe keep the standard edition as-is, but do more of a box set special edition with the additional material or something. That would have been cool.
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I like that idea, but we did get the Live In Santiago DVD
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Yes, that's true. So we basically did get what I was describing--just in two separate pieces. I had forgotten about that. Still not my favorite set list from that tour, but still some great tracks that supplement what was on Score.
EDIT: Also, we got some good bonus tracks on the DVD as well: Another Day, The Great Debate, and Honor Thy Father. So the tour is actually documented quite well.
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Yes, that's true. So we basically did get what I was describing--just in two separate pieces. I had forgotten about that. Still not my favorite set list from that tour, but still some great tracks that supplement what was on Score.
EDIT: Also, we got some good bonus tracks on the DVD as well: Another Day, The Great Debate, and Honor Thy Father. So the tour is actually documented quite well.
Plus there's a ton of great sounding bootlegs. That really was a great tour.
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MP was pissed off about something. I'm not sure if it was his monitors. He kept mouthing something angrily to someone off stage (JP's side). Whatever he was pissed off about seemed to have something to do with James. At one point James went towards the drums and you could tell they were having words. Another point James was going off for an instrumental section and MP yelled something at him, and James kind of waved his hand at him as if to say FU. And MP was shaking his head. All while the band was playing.
We were sitting in the second row in the balcony right above JP, so we were looking right down on MP. My wife, who during these years was buying me presents off of MP.com, was saying that he's acting like a big fucking baby, and I'm never buying you anything from his website again. :lol
Maybe Kev or Scotty or anyone else there remembers such a thing. Whatever was going on, it was smoothed out for the second set.
I was at that show (actually, I went to the last 4 20th Anniversary shows), but I don't remember that specific incident. Not that it didn't happen. While I don't remember him getting mad at JL, I remember being at the 2002 show in San Diego where JL didn't come back out to the front of the stage to take a final bow at the end of their set. And I also remember an occasion (although not which specific show) where MP was clearly mad at one of the 2007 east coast shows, I'm assuming because the video (for ItPoE2) wasn't in sync with the music. So yeah, he's a passionate chap that wants the show to be perfect.
If they would've used a click to sync the video back then, they wouldn't have to worry about the video not being in sync. :lol
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MP was pissed off about something. I'm not sure if it was his monitors. He kept mouthing something angrily to someone off stage (JP's side). Whatever he was pissed off about seemed to have something to do with James. At one point James went towards the drums and you could tell they were having words. Another point James was going off for an instrumental section and MP yelled something at him, and James kind of waved his hand at him as if to say FU. And MP was shaking his head. All while the band was playing.
We were sitting in the second row in the balcony right above JP, so we were looking right down on MP. My wife, who during these years was buying me presents off of MP.com, was saying that he's acting like a big fucking baby, and I'm never buying you anything from his website again. :lol
Maybe Kev or Scotty or anyone else there remembers such a thing. Whatever was going on, it was smoothed out for the second set.
I was at that show (actually, I went to the last 4 20th Anniversary shows), but I don't remember that specific incident. Not that it didn't happen. While I don't remember him getting mad at JL, I remember being at the 2002 show in San Diego where JL didn't come back out to the front of the stage to take a final bow at the end of their set. And I also remember an occasion (although not which specific show) where MP was clearly mad at one of the 2007 east coast shows, I'm assuming because the video (for ItPoE2) wasn't in sync with the music. So yeah, he's a passionate chap that wants the show to be perfect.
If they would've used a click to sync the video back then, they wouldn't have to worry about the video not being in sync. :lol
...or they could've just made sure the video guy kept everything synced up with what was happening on stage - you know like how Rush did it. (What would Rush do, right?) ;)