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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: Basekick on March 06, 2010, 03:35:13 PM
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In the beginning of the song, JLB sings the following lyrics:
What if someone said
Promise lies ahead
Hopes are high in certain scientific circles
Life won't have to end
You could walk again
What if someone said
Problems lie ahead
They've uncovered something highly controversial
The right to life is strong
Can't you see it's wrong
The first paragraph is projected in the left speaker, while the latter in heard in the right speaker. What is remarkable about this that the first paragraph is the liberal side of the issue (or, the LEFT wing), while the second paragraph is the conservative view (known as the RIGHT wing). When I realized this, I literally did a "you have got to be kidding me" and started to laugh.
Anyone else pick up on this, or have I just not listened to TGD enough?
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That is cool.
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Amazing how after having heard the song so many times there is still stuff I miss.
Dream Theater >>>
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I thought this was common knowledge ???
The samples work the same way too.
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I heard that somewhere a long time ago, I was also pretty amazed!
But to tell you the truth I didnīt like the split, because for a long time my earphones were broken and I couldnīt hear the left channel, so everytime i heard the song it was like..."What if someone said....(instrumental)....Turrrrn to the llliggghttt...
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I thought this was common knowledge ???
The samples work the same way too.
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Yeah i noticed that a while ago too. Suffice to say, I had never noticed it before, and when I did I happened to be... under the influence.
:millahhhh
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Yeah, this is one of the little touches that make DT my favourite band.
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I thought this was common knowledge ???
The samples work the same way too.
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I thought this was common knowledge ???
The samples work the same way too.
...and I'm Norwegian! :P It's exiting finding these things for the first time, though :D
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I thought this was common knowledge ???
The samples work the same way too.
Don't worry, you're new, you'll learn.
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I had never noticed this, but then again I don't listen to TGD all that often.
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I thought this was common knowledge ???
The samples work the same way too.
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it seems like I had heard that before, but I forgot...so now I get to learn it all over again :biggrin:
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I never noticed this either. That is really cool :tup
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I thought this was common knowledge ???
The samples work the same way too.
I too though this. During interviews Portnoy made it quite clear that they were using the speakers to produce a 'debate' between the two parties.
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I had never noticed this, but then again I don't listen to TGD all that often.
A sign of your great insight and wisdom.
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I had never noticed this, but then again I don't listen to TGD all that often.
A sign of your great insight and wisdom.
Sarcasm or bad taste?
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In my view, it's not that TGD is a bad song, it's just so mediocre and long that it's not worth listening to for the really good parts. I think it would be a lot better if it was cut down by like 4 minutes or so.
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The most underrated song in Dt's catalog. I noticed this right away and it pretty much makes it. especially how it ends without a conclusion it ends where we began. We went only so far but are still where we started
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To me, the song was the first time where they failed really hard in the lyrical department. "Pay attention to the questions we have raised!!"
Musically the song is actually quite good.
rumborak
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Amazing how after having heard the song so many times there is still stuff I miss.
Dream Theater >>>
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Musically the song is actually quite Tool.
I agree.
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I thought this was common knowledge ???
The samples work the same way too.
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Musically the song is actually quite Tool.
I agree.
While I can sort of see the Tool comparison, the fact that the last half is basically a huge solo section lessens the similarity for me.
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Musically the song is actually quite Tool.
I agree.
While I can sort of see the Tool comparison, the fact that the last half is basically a huge solo section lessens the similarity for me.
Yeah, I guess so. I never make it that far in the song.
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In my view, it's not that TGD is a bad song, it's just so mediocre and long that it's not worth listening to for the really good parts. I think it would be a lot better if it was cut down by like 4 minutes or so.
I wouldn't call it mediocre, but it definitely has that feel of being a bit too long. The best parts of the song are the intro and the outros, neither of which I feel are too long. I just wish the meat of the song was a bit more interesting; I probably wouldn't mind the length, then. If I am listening to all of 6DOIT Disc 1, I usually don't skip over this song, but if I am randomly picking DT songs to listen to, I will almost never pick it.
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Great song, although the intro and outro samples sometimes piss me off, but that's what my 9:29 edit is for. I love the instrumental section.
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I thought this was common knowledge ???
The samples work the same way too.
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In my view, it's not that TGD is a bad song, it's just so mediocre and long that it's not worth listening to for the really good parts. I think it would be a lot better if it was cut down by like 4 minutes or so.
I wouldn't call it mediocre, but it definitely has that feel of being a bit too long. The best parts of the song are the intro and the outros, neither of which I feel are too long. I just wish the meat of the song was a bit more interesting; I probably wouldn't mind the length, then. If I am listening to all of 6DOIT Disc 1, I usually don't skip over this song, but if I am randomly picking DT songs to listen to, I will almost never pick it.
That ^
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I thought this was common knowledge ???
The samples work the same way too.
This
And The Great Debate is amazing in every damn way. Period.
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I thought this was common knowledge ???
The samples work the same way too.
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Mikes drumming in the intro sells me on the song alone. But the rest of it is awesome as well.
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I like the concept they're going for with "The Great Debate", and as a total work, a performance piece, it does well. The soundbites set the tone and everything fits well.
The problem I have is that I can't listen to the soundbites over and over like I can with the music. I hate it when people talk over the music; I just want to skip them and get to the song, and since I can't do that, I usually just skip the song.
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In the beginning of the song, JLB sings the following lyrics:
What if someone said
Promise lies ahead
Hopes are high in certain scientific circles
Life won't have to end
You could walk again
What if someone said
Problems lie ahead
They've uncovered something highly controversial
The right to life is strong
Can't you see it's wrong
The first paragraph is projected in the left speaker, while the latter in heard in the right speaker. What is remarkable about this that the first paragraph is the liberal side of the issue (or, the LEFT wing), while the second paragraph is the conservative view (known as the RIGHT wing). When I realized this, I literally did a "you have got to be kidding me" and started to laugh.
Anyone else pick up on this, or have I just not listened to TGD enough?
Yep. One of my favorite post-FII songs from them, that little speaker channeling thing really is cool, gives the song an additional dramatic touch with the differing points of view.
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The first paragraph is projected in the left speaker, while the latter in heard in the right speaker. What is remarkable about this that the first paragraph is the liberal side of the issue (or, the LEFT wing), while the second paragraph is the conservative view (known as the RIGHT wing).
I've never noticed this, it's a really cool thing. I'm listening to the track at the moment - GOD, I LOVE IT SO MUCH! I must hear it live someday...
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That's pretty cool. I'm not sharp enough to pick up on these things on my own. Good catch.
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If you look closely at the lyrics in the cd booklet, the letters to the far left align vertically to spell MSNBC. If you look at the letters on the far right, they spell FOX NEWS.
Disclaimer: all of the above is a complete fiction.
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The first paragraph is projected in the left speaker, while the latter in heard in the right speaker. What is remarkable about this that the first paragraph is the liberal side of the issue (or, the LEFT wing), while the second paragraph is the conservative view (known as the RIGHT wing).
I've never noticed this, it's a really cool thing. I'm listening to the track at the moment - GOD, I LOVE IT SO MUCH! I must hear it live someday...
I hope Mike will choose it to represent SDOIT on the next tour (after next album) together with TGP (because of 12 Step saga) and I think it's not impossible becuase they haven't played it since Train Of Thought Tour and the best solution would be even TGD on the next DVD :D I love this song so much
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If you look closely at the lyrics in the cd booklet, the letters to the far left align vertically to spell MSNBC. If you look at the letters on the far right, they spell FOX NEWS.
Disclaimer: all of the above is a complete fiction.
:lol
Winnah!
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In my view, it's not that TGD is a bad song, it's just so mediocre and long that it's not worth listening to for the really good parts. I think it would be a lot better if it was cut down by like 4 minutes or so.
I wouldn't call it mediocre, but it definitely has that feel of being a bit too long. The best parts of the song are the intro and the outros, neither of which I feel are too long. I just wish the meat of the song was a bit more interesting; I probably wouldn't mind the length, then. If I am listening to all of 6DOIT Disc 1, I usually don't skip over this song, but if I am randomly picking DT songs to listen to, I will almost never pick it.
This.
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I hope Mike will choose it to represent SDOIT on the next tour (after next album) together with TGP (because of 12 Step saga) and I think it's not impossible becuase they haven't played it since Train Of Thought Tour and the best solution would be even TGD on the next DVD :D I love this song so much
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but weren't both "The Great Debate" and "Under a Glass Moon" originally supposed to play on the night they recorded the Budokan DVD, but they were both cut because of time? Just think, had they been played and included, that would have probably changed the Score set list, too, as I doubt "Under a Glass Moon" would have been played for a 2nd consecutive DVD (and 3rd overall). Ain't speculation fun? :biggrin:
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I also just recently noticed that the chorus to About to Crash ("Still it's hard to just get by..."), which I always thought was weird for being so unconnected to the rest of 6D for being such a central part, is actually mostly the same progression and everything as the Goodnight Kiss guitar solo melody (and the same part in the Overture). The piano even faintly plays the melody behind JLB...
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Crikey, it is?!
Oh wow, that's wonderful.
It took me the best part of four years to realise the acoustic break in the mental instrumental section in Octavarium was playing the same melody as the synth solo. That's like... fifty times the level subtle! Also fifty times the level of badass.
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I hope Mike will choose it to represent SDOIT on the next tour (after next album) together with TGP (because of 12 Step saga) and I think it's not impossible becuase they haven't played it since Train Of Thought Tour and the best solution would be even TGD on the next DVD :D I love this song so much
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but weren't both "The Great Debate" and "Under a Glass Moon" originally supposed to play on the night they recorded the Budokan DVD, but they were both cut because of time? Just think, had they been played and included, that would have probably changed the Score set list, too, as I doubt "Under a Glass Moon" would have been played for a 2nd consecutive DVD (and 3rd overall). Ain't speculation fun? :biggrin:
nop, the song were "Caught in a Web" and "Under a Glass Moon"
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I hope Mike will choose it to represent SDOIT on the next tour (after next album) together with TGP (because of 12 Step saga) and I think it's not impossible becuase they haven't played it since Train Of Thought Tour and the best solution would be even TGD on the next DVD :D I love this song so much
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but weren't both "The Great Debate" and "Under a Glass Moon" originally supposed to play on the night they recorded the Budokan DVD, but they were both cut because of time? Just think, had they been played and included, that would have probably changed the Score set list, too, as I doubt "Under a Glass Moon" would have been played for a 2nd consecutive DVD (and 3rd overall). Ain't speculation fun? :biggrin:
nop, the song were "Caught in a Web" and "Under a Glass Moon"
Had "Under A Glass Moon" been included on the Budokan DVD, it's likely that "Take The Time" would've been played on Score instead. Luckily, I don't think "Surrounded" was in rotation for the IAW-spot of the Octavarium tour setlists, so it's 2007 version would've still made it on to Chaos In Motion, but "Take The Time" would not have. We might have gotten something in it's place (any ideas?).
What a cascading effect that would have had if UAGM made it on to the Budokan setlist!
-Marc.
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I hope Mike will choose it to represent SDOIT on the next tour (after next album) together with TGP (because of 12 Step saga) and I think it's not impossible becuase they haven't played it since Train Of Thought Tour and the best solution would be even TGD on the next DVD :D I love this song so much
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but weren't both "The Great Debate" and "Under a Glass Moon" originally supposed to play on the night they recorded the Budokan DVD, but they were both cut because of time? Just think, had they been played and included, that would have probably changed the Score set list, too, as I doubt "Under a Glass Moon" would have been played for a 2nd consecutive DVD (and 3rd overall). Ain't speculation fun? :biggrin:
nop, the song were "Caught in a Web" and "Under a Glass Moon"
I thought it was Caught in a Web and The Great Debate.
UAGM would've given it an interesting vibe though.
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the thread starter really have a brilliant analytical mind, but in the this great debate of human cloning, i rather chose to be conservative.
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Well as a kind of easter egg, you can mute the left channel and silence the evildoers.
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ZING!