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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: juice on March 02, 2010, 05:58:26 PM
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With a lot of people complaining in the other Raw Dog thread it got me wondering how many members of the forum actually like it and how many don't. I personally think its a good insturmental, I'm not sure where it ranks among previous DT insturmentals but it's up there with the best of em in my opinion.
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Yes! More than I was expecting. Which I hate to say, it makes me sound like one of those ming-mongs who've grown old and jaded, but I was just expecting a nifty but forgettable little footnote. A silly little apostrophe in the book of Dream Theater. Shame on me, really. I always love B-Sides. The little hidden treasures. I've been a fool! But I just wasn't anticipating this much rock.
(Also pleased to report that "suck" and "gay" are all the way down.)
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It's extremely :metal :metal :metal worthy.
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It's hard to break down into a yes or no answer. I like the parts of the song, I just don't like it AS a song.
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I'm one of those people that loves older style DT much more. Although, I also really dig RD for what it is, an in-your-face, brutal track. It's satisfying. When I'm in that kind of mood, it's the perfect song.
Count another one for "Aye." :metal
PS. I hope to see this live..
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I like it. There are at least a couple of ways to look at it:
1. On one hand, it's an instrumental song written for a video game. From that perspective, I don't have high expectations. I view it as almost sort of a throw-away." In the context of what it was written for, it's outstanding and exceeds expectations.
2. On the other hand, what if this had shown up somewhere as an album track? I just have completely different expectations of a song in that context. But how would I feel about it? Well, actually, I would still listen to it, and I think it would fit pretty well as a cool instrumental album track.
So either way, I like it, and I am pleasantly surprised that I like it.
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I would commit audio bestiality just to be with this Raw Dog :heart :heart
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AYE! It might be a little confusing at the start, but then it has a definitely :metal and harmonic part that makes the whole song awesome. I don't love it (It has no comparison point with SoC or Erotomania) but I like it a lot.
I always love B-Sides. The little hidden treasures.
I ADORE B-Sides. They're just so... Awesome.
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I always love B-Sides. The little hidden treasures.
I ADORE B-Sides. They're just so... Awesome.
I'm not sure what it is! It's like they're part of an alternate reality, almost. "This is what could have been." Sure, I sometimes harp on "oh I wish this was on the actual album," but honestly I really like that they're secrets. Like a reward for digging about. A whole song you never knew existed. Wonderful. Really interesting.
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The sound fits the style for that type of videogame. So for a game I like it.
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not my cup o' tea
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I think it's pretty cool. Nothing that I would listen to any more often thatn their other instrumentals, but it's pretty creative in its own sense. I can't wait to hear it live some day. :P
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Overall no.
It fits the video game perfectly, and for that reason I would say yes.
However, I wouldnt want to hear it outside of the game, so overall no.
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Nope. It just sounds like a bunch of random stuff thrown together, and DT trying to be heavier than they can convincingly pull off.
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I like it, it sounds a bit rushed and sometimes random but Rudess is the champion who gave it an appeal to be honest.
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Yes, I do. In the beggining I was really taken over the "OMG, NEW MATERIAL kind of feeling" and I though it was awesome but a little bit weird. I criticize the fact the song looks like a big collection of riffs to me (which is the opposite of what DT does with the awesome transitiions in their albums) but the brutality and metal of the song really surprised me in a good way, I don´t remember feeling so astonished by the metal content in a DT song since The Dark Eternal Night, so for the purposes of the EP, DT definably got it, it is for me the best track in the EP.
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Is the the track length 7:31? mine is and it feels like it cuts off suddenly..
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in the middle of my 5th listen right now...for its purposes in the game, I think it is good, but not sure if I would use it as a means to turn someone onto DT
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I really don't like it much at all. It just seems like a bunch of riffs joined together. The parts don't flow at all. I really like the Maiden section though. I also don't get why people say it works in the context of the game. GOW games have never been about metal music at all. I wish there was a strong melody to carry the song, like in Hell's Kitchen or Stream of Consciousness. Raw Dog is just disjointed and it sounds... lazy. I seem to be in the minority, but there seems to be no thought put into songwriting for this.
It's also inexcusable that the outro is what it is. I mean seriously?
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I like it. I can see where it kind of plateaus tho. the beginning is the most interesting part.
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I definitely like this track. Experimental, heavy, but it works to me.
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I like the track. It's fun and over before you know it.
I HATE the production quality though. Looking forward to a live recording.
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Yes! More than I was expecting. Which I hate to say, it makes me sound like one of those ming-mongs who've grown old and jaded, but I was just expecting a nifty but forgettable little footnote. A silly little apostrophe in the book of Dream Theater. Shame on me, really. I always love B-Sides. The little hidden treasures. I've been a fool! But I just wasn't anticipating this much rock.
(Also pleased to report that "suck" and "gay" are all the way down.)
The way you talk is fucking awesome. I love your posts.
On topic, yes, I like it.
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I like it. I'm listening to it continuously on repeat right now. It's got so much going on, though -- it's just so wicked crazy -- that I am unable to say much more at this time.
Do y'all think the track will result in a lot of new Dream Theater fans?
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I like it but I hope that its not the direction the band will continue to go.
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i prefer them cooked.
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I need to create a new word meaning both evil and awesome to describe the intro.
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Not a fan, but I doubt it is an indication of any direction they are headed in, as I am sure they just wanted to do a really heavy song, so I wouldn't worry too much...it is just one song.
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Listening to it live first time right now: Times might be messed up
0:00 - 1:00 Extremely unforgettable, nothing interesting about this chugging
1:00 - 2:00 A pretty silly melody, both in melodically and tonally.
2:00 - 3:00 Not too thrilled with this guitar solo
3:00 - 4:00 Loved when it picked up, kept things interesting. Fantastic work by JP
4:00 - 5:00 A lot of mindless shredding, nothing new from JR. Enjoyed the drumming
6:00 - 7:00 Too many time changes... Really breaks the song up, don't flow as well as it usually does in DT songs
7:00 - Just a lot of noise
I hated this as a piece of music to listen to. Good background music for a game... maybe... So I guess mission accomplished on their end. I'm betting I will never listen to that again tho.
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I need to create a new word meaning both evil and awesome to describe the intro.
awvil?
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I need to create a new word meaning both evil and awesome to describe the intro.
awvil?
awevil
You have to keep the e.
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hmmm...yeah you are right
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I was hoping we just say its Rudess as fuck, yo.
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I was hoping we just say its Rudess as fuck, yo.
That would also work. RAFY.
"THAT WAS RAFY!!!"
"HYIWRDTKSLNBB!!!"
(Hell yeah it was!!! Rudess drops the keyboard shiz like nobody's biz. Balls!!!)
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Intro sounds Messhugah, so automatic AYE.
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I need to create a new word meaning both evil and awesome to describe the intro.
awvil?
awevil
You have to keep the e.
Sounds too much like "awful". Maybe evawlsome? (Eev-awl-sum)
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I like it. It's a nice romp. What Mr. 1 said about expectations is really interesting, though. Something I'd like to discuss further.
Oh, and to the thread creator: Thank you for creating a yes/no poll with the only two options being yes and no (aye/nope).
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Yep, the best track from the EP followed by Trivium's "Shattering the Skies Above" :metal
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It's good, but not great.
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Aye, it rocks pretty hard.
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Is the the track length 7:31? mine is and it feels like it cuts off suddenly..
I guess nobody knows the answer to that?
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I need to create a new word meaning both evil and awesome to describe the intro.
awvil?
awevil
You have to keep the e.
Sounds too much like "awful". Maybe evawlsome? (Eev-awl-sum)
I disagree...I think we need to start a poll
o :biggrin:
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Is the the track length 7:31? mine is and it feels like it cuts off suddenly..
I guess nobody knows the answer to that?
I think its 7:35, at least on the version I've heard. I like the song, but its nothing special, it but it fits it purpose to heavy backgroundmusic in a game. I rank it on the lowest spot Dream Theaters instrumentals, but that's not to say it's bad, its just nothing in it that grabs my attention.
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Mine is 7:35 too but it cuts off suddenly at 7:31 then the rest is silent, I dunno.
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Okay since no one here had a clue I compared my version to the youtube version, the youtube version fades out while mine just ends at 7:31 and the remaining 4 second are totally silent, dunno why it does that, I'm guessing it fades into the next track and since I only got Raw Dog it sounds like that.
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I thought it was a pretty neat track, but not one I would listen to regularly. Much better than the shitty Opeth track on that EP.
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Yep, the best track from the EP followed by Trivium's "Shattering the Skies Above" :metal
I actually agree and I usually hate Trivium.
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after first listen, it's ok at best. nothing all that memorable in the song, but i suppose that's alright for a video game; the music isn't supposed to really catch your ear that much or it would distract from the gameplay. sounds like they tuned down to A and JP's usual guitar tone sounds kinda weak at a tuning that low. the abrupt ending must mean this song is somehow a sequel to pull me under. ;) also, just got the trivium track from this album, IMO it's also subpar compared to their last couple albums. i think i'll pass on getting the rest of the songs from this release.
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ATM, I will say "no." It is definitely the least of their instrumentals. It sounds even less cohesive than The Dance of Eternity.
And WTF with people saying it's OK "in the context of the game." It's not in the game.
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still haven't heard it.
:(
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ATM, I will say "no." It is definitely the least of their instrumentals. It sounds even less cohesive than The Dance of Eternity.
And WTF with people saying it's OK "in the context of the game." It's not in the game.
Also God of War games have always had metal music amirite?
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And WTF with people saying it's OK "in the context of the game." It's not in the game.
From the way the band talked about the song initially, I wouldn't be positive they were that clear on it. At least half of the press releases from when it was announced, especially those on the roadrunner side, said that the song was for the "Sountrack" and didn't mention anything about it being an an EP of "songs inspired by..." until later on. The members also kept calling the game "Gods of War" for the longest time. I would not be able to guess whether they knew exactly what they were doing and what it was for.
It doesn't matter, though. I think they did a good job either way.
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Especially seeing as the initial thread is
Dream Theater in God of War III
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I would probably describe the song as The Dance Of Eternity's, Stream Of Consciousness', and The Dark Eternal Night's immature younger brother. You all know him. He's the kid with ADD who always seems a bit off, but is a blast to be around because he's just so nuts and doesn't take anything seriously. And while you definitely see the family resemblance, he could also just as easily be adopted.
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As many have said, it's probably good as a video game soundtrack. It's not a good song. For that it's just too thrown-together.
rumborak
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I do like it. It's a little King Crimsonish for me at the beginning and end, but I think it's just fine. Sure, it doesn't have the grace of Erotomania, but I'm happy with it. It's exactly as I expected.
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I would probably describe the song as The Dance Of Eternity's, Stream Of Consciousness', and The Dark Eternal Night's immature younger brother. You all know him. He's the kid with ADD who always seems a bit off, but is a blast to be around because he's just so nuts and doesn't take anything seriously. And while you definitely see the family resemblance, he could also just as easily be adopted.
I like that. Really immature, but a blast to listen to.
(also, re: evil and awesome... "Evesome.")
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I would probably describe the song as The Dance Of Eternity's, Stream Of Consciousness', and The Dark Eternal Night's immature younger brother. You all know him. He's the kid with ADD who always seems a bit off, but is a blast to be around because he's just so nuts and doesn't take anything seriously. And while you definitely see the family resemblance, he could also just as easily be adopted.
I kinda agree with this. Though it's definitely got that trademark DT sound, and is not my least favorite DT instrumental, the most I'd want to see from it live would be combined with TDEN as an outro jam or something.
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I think what bugs me the most about the song is that it stays on one chord, for 8 minutes. What happened to DT's strong suit, their chord progressions?
rumborak
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Listening for the first time, the first 30 or so seconds I didn't like at all, but it's been good since then.
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If I'm not mistaken, they took 4 or 5 riffs that were left off during the black clouds sessions.
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If I'm not mistaken, they took 4 or 5 riffs that were left off during the black clouds sessions.
I'm pretty sure those only ended up being used under the solos.
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ATM, I will say "no." It is definitely the least of their instrumentals. It sounds even less cohesive than The Dance of Eternity.
And WTF with people saying it's OK "in the context of the game." It's not in the game.
oh, really. I just figured it was something that was background music or something. :P
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It's hard to break down into a yes or no answer. I like the parts of the song, I just don't like it AS a song.
Pretty much this. I voted "nope" but it's ok. When you listen to it, you gotta remember it's sorta like score for a movie. It's background music. In that context, I think it works for that particular game. But as an instrumental "song," I just don't know.
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...the most I'd want to see from it live would be combined with TDEN as an outro jam or something.
Well never really know how they'll play it until they play it since Mike in making his set lists likes to be as unpredictable as possible. But my guess would be that it'll be played as part of a medley at some point in time, but will not be played in its entirety, except maybe as a one-off or something.
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I fucking hate when DT does medleys!!
Why don't they play they whole damn song!!
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Because they have a lot of material, and a lot of their songs are long, and there's no way they can play all the music they want to play in a set, so they try to at least acknowledge some of the other material by playing a sample of it in a medley. What's the problem with that?
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I fucking hate when DT does medleys!!
Why don't they play they whole damn song!!
It makes me feel like Medley Schmedley!
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Because they have a lot of material, and a lot of their songs are long, and there's no way they can play all the music they want to play in a set, so they try to at least acknowledge some of the other material by playing a sample of it in a medley. What's the problem with that?
... don't tell me that seriously went over your head.
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Because they have a lot of material, and a lot of their songs are long, and there's no way they can play all the music they want to play in a set, so they try to at least acknowledge some of the other material by playing a sample of it in a medley. What's the problem with that?
I actually like the medleys, but sometimes I wish they'd drop the extended versions of songs like Hollow Years or Solitary Shell (despite their awesomeness) and use the extra minutes to play another song or two.
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When you listen to it, you gotta remember it's sorta like score for a movie. It's background music. In that context, I think it works for that particular game. But as an instrumental "song," I just don't know.
Well, again, it's not background music. It's just a song.
Unless by "background music" you mean "music that I will play in the background while in the foreground I play God of War III on my Playstation 3."
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Because they have a lot of material, and a lot of their songs are long, and there's no way they can play all the music they want to play in a set, so they try to at least acknowledge some of the other material by playing a sample of it in a medley. What's the problem with that?
... don't tell me that seriously went over your head.
it certainly sailed over my head... but then again I am sitting down and thus at somewhat of a disadvantage.
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Because they have a lot of material, and a lot of their songs are long, and there's no way they can play all the music they want to play in a set, so they try to at least acknowledge some of the other material by playing a sample of it in a medley. What's the problem with that?
... don't tell me that seriously went over your head.
it certainly sailed over my head... but then again I am sitting down and thus at somewhat of a disadvantage.
You should stand up, get your copy of 5YIAL and listen to the band commentary again.
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Because they have a lot of material, and a lot of their songs are long, and there's no way they can play all the music they want to play in a set, so they try to at least acknowledge some of the other material by playing a sample of it in a medley. What's the problem with that?
... don't tell me that seriously went over your head.
it certainly sailed over my head... but then again I am sitting down and thus at somewhat of a disadvantage.
Same here (on both counts).
And what is also going over my head is whatever Hef is riled up about. Unless I'm missing something (and have been missing the same something since the announcement was first made), this was a song for a video game, is it not?
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It's only on the EP. It's not in the actual game. It's a bonus for people who buy the Special Edition of the game. It was also sold separately for people who don't want to pay $100 for a video game special edition.
It's only on the EP.
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It's only on the EP. It's not in the actual game. It's a bonus for people who buy the Special Edition of the game. It was also sold separately for people who don't want to pay $100 for a video game special edition.
It's only on the EP.
Yeah. RR and DT made it sound early on like it would be, though. All the martketing just mentioned that the game was "on the Soundtrack of GoW III!!!!"
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The thing is, it is a good tune for being the background of a video game. It's not a good tune to stand on its own, IMHO.
So, I'm actually wondering whether DT wrote it thinking it would end up as background.
rumborak
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The thing is, it is a good tune for being the background of a video game. It's not a good tune to stand on its own, IMHO.
So, I'm actually wondering whether DT wrote it thinking it would end up as background.
rumborak
That's what I think. They don't seem to have been briefed too well, especially since they were all calling it "Gods of War" until they were actually in the studio.
But I guess these are the types of questions we'll never know the answer to.
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I don't like it. Gave it a lot of chances, it just wouldn't take. Wouldn't listen to it as a DT song or as a videogame song (not that, of course, I'd have some sort of lower set of standards for the latter). I like that wah-wah bassline and those arps before the solo, but that's about it. Mostly because they weren't mindless, random chugging. Riffing can be awesome and all, but offhand, I can barely even remember any of the melodies in Raw Dog, if there even were any. I'm not all that gung-ho for most of the metal side of DT things unless it has something cool and unique to offer - even TDEN has those at least interesting vocal distortions, catchy chorus, and those cool clean instrumental parts. Raw Dog, on the other hand, is like...Dance of Eternity without the quirky little ragtime solo. And I really don't like Dance of Eternity.
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Gave it a lot of chances, it just wouldn't take.
It's been out for like two days now?
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When you listen to it, you gotta remember it's sorta like score for a movie. It's background music. In that context, I think it works for that particular game. But as an instrumental "song," I just don't know.
Well, again, it's not background music. It's just a song.
Unless by "background music" you mean "music that I will play in the background while in the foreground I play God of War III on my Playstation 3."
Aren't the songs IN the game? And isn't this God of War EP a SOUNDTRACK to the game?
if so, then the song is "background music." It's a song for a soundtrack/score to heighten the emotion or mood in the game sequence.
And Hef, I'd appreciate it if you watch how you are replying to me. The last replies you have pointed my way (and most of yours to me) have been a bit heated in nature. Discuss things. Don't jump down my throat.
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When you listen to it, you gotta remember it's sorta like score for a movie. It's background music. In that context, I think it works for that particular game. But as an instrumental "song," I just don't know.
Well, again, it's not background music. It's just a song.
Unless by "background music" you mean "music that I will play in the background while in the foreground I play God of War III on my Playstation 3."
Aren't the songs IN the game? And isn't this God of War EP a SOUNDTRACK to the game?
No and no.
It's a "heavy metal homage" with songs "inspire" by the games, but not IN the games.
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I find myself listening to it again and again in order to make myself like the song. I realize that I do not like it at all, because the only reason I listen to it is to see if I can tolerate it enough to finally enjoy it. :-\
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When you listen to it, you gotta remember it's sorta like score for a movie. It's background music. In that context, I think it works for that particular game. But as an instrumental "song," I just don't know.
Well, again, it's not background music. It's just a song.
Unless by "background music" you mean "music that I will play in the background while in the foreground I play God of War III on my Playstation 3."
Aren't the songs IN the game? And isn't this God of War EP a SOUNDTRACK to the game?
No and no.
It's a "heavy metal homage" with songs "inspire" by the games, but not IN the games.
Ah, ok then. Thanks for the clarification. I was under that ASSumption. :) I stand corrected.
Apologies, Hef.
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I can imagine some vocals for this. Would've been nice but what can ya do the majority won and we got an instrumental.
This song would sound bad ass live. The only problem i have is theirs parts that would sound great with JLB.
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Aren't the songs IN the game? And isn't this God of War EP a SOUNDTRACK to the game?
I've mentioned this a couple of times already in the thread but no one seems to be listening. That IS how it sounded when this was announced and initially marketed. But that's probably not the reality.
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And Hef, I'd appreciate it if you watch how you are replying to me. The last replies you have pointed my way (and most of yours to me) have been a bit heated in nature. Discuss things. Don't jump down my throat.
??? Certainly didn't think I was coming across that way, and certainly didn't intend to do so. If I did, I humbly apologize.
Please know that I hold you in the highest personal regard as a member here. I would never knowingly jump down your throat or otherwise denigrate or demean you unless I found out you were a fan of, I don't know, Queensryche or something.
*crossed fingers*
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I think it's pretty bad to be honest. Listened to it once was not impressed.
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It took a few listens for it to sink in, but I really like the song now.
So...
Aye :yarr
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There's nothing wrong with that track, it sounds like a background just as much as any DT other instrumental does, enjoy the fuckin track and STFU.
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There's nothing wrong with that track, it sounds like a background just as much as any DT other instrumental does, enjoy the fuckin track and STFU.
Dude, chill out.
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I agree with him though tbh, DT fans whine about DT so much they even had to make a fucking song about it...
Which is honestly why I've always avoied the DT subforum except for threads about new material and what not, my first month or two here I was confused if this was a fan site or a flame site...
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And unlike everyone else in the thread engaging in civil debate, you decide to...post a link that breaks the forum rules?
Good going :tup
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I agree with him though tbh, DT fans whine about DT so much they even had to make a fucking song about it...
Which is honestly why I've always avoied the DT subforum except for threads about new material and what not, my first month or two here I was confused if this was a fan site or a flame site...
If you consider what you see here flaming then you must be very new to the internet.
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Not at all new to the internet. I'm very sure I learned how to type before I could write my name properly haha.
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Listening, as I type, for the first time...
Pretty awesome so far. Bit different intro, but the music is pretty cool after 2 and a half minutes in...
Nice drumming and guitaring at 3 minutes in.,,
Really digging it at the 4 minute mark...
At 5 minutes in, the solos have been going for awhile now, but I'm really digging it.
The song really changed drastically at the 6 minute mark, it's some very different DT. It sounds pretty cool, but uhh what a wierd way to end the song.
After my first listen, I overall enjoyed it and thought it was pretty cool and different to listen to. I, however, don't know the lasting effects after a few more listens.
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It's hard to break down into a yes or no answer. I like the parts of the song, I just don't like it AS a song.
Basically this.
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I like it for what it is. There are some cool parts in it, and some not cool parts.
It's a good listen, and I'm happy to have a new track to hear. I would not stack this up among DT's better songs (I think it's their weakest instrumental).
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And WTF with people saying it's OK "in the context of the game." It's not in the game.
huh, really?....what the hell is the point of having a soundtrack that's not music from the game? by definition "soundtrack" is supposed to be the sounds (music) from the audio track of the game or movie it's named after. in the context that raw dog is not actually music from a video game, it's even less impressive.
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People have never heard of movie soundtracks before?
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Don't like it. I know it's for a really "heavy" game, but for me, it lacks breathing spaces. Plus, as stated before, it seems like a collection of things piled upon each other with no real direction.
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People have never heard of movie soundtracks before?
Yes but in almost all cases it's music from the movie. Often you get things like "Music from and inspired by..." if there aren't enough songs that are actually in the film. I don't recall seeing one where it was an entirely separate thing like this.
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People have never heard of movie soundtracks before?
Yes but in almost all cases it's music from the movie. Often you get things like "Music from and inspired by..." if there aren't enough songs that are actually in the film. I don't recall seeing one where it was an entirely separate thing like this.
No? How many films have more than one or two songs in them (not score)? Tons of movies put out soundtracks that are 90% separate from the movie.
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Wow Mike has actually tweeted that Raw Dog is supposed to end this way. I mean seriously? Just cut it off and say it's supposed to be that way? I could just write a song and then when I'm out of ideas, cut it off, and say that's intentional, but is it musical and creative? I honestly cannot understand why the band is doing this. At least fade it out if you're too lazy to come up with a proper ending. Oh my god seriously.
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People have never heard of movie soundtracks before?
Yes but in almost all cases it's music from the movie. Often you get things like "Music from and inspired by..." if there aren't enough songs that are actually in the film. I don't recall seeing one where it was an entirely separate thing like this.
No? How many films have more than one or two songs in them (not score)? Tons of movies put out soundtracks that are 90% separate from the movie.
Elizabethtown
O Brother, Where Art Thou?
These both come immediately to mind.
Maybe the title should be "An EP Of Songs That Have Nothing At All In Common With God Of War 3, Except For The Fact That They're Being Promoted Along With God Of War 3. Disclaimer: If You Really Were A God Of War, These Are The Last 6 Songs You Would Ever Listen To While Performing Divine Acts Of Military Carnage."
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I can honestly not remember seeing a non-score soundtrack to a film that didn't have at least a handful of pop/rock songs, enough to make a bedrock for a soundtrack album with a few added "inspired by" songs to make up numbers. You got any examples Steve?
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Spiderman, Transformers, The Matrix. Maybe I'm underestimating how many songs are used very briefly in films, but I also think that if a song is on a soundtrack, it's far from a given that it's in the movie/game.
Especially in this case, I think it was fairly obvious that the song just belongs to a tie-in EP. It's silly how many people are giving the song a pass because they think it would make good background music for a game they haven't played and it isn't going to appear in. (And I don't think some posters saying that even play video games at all!)
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Spiderman, Transformers, The Matrix. Maybe I'm underestimating how many songs are used very briefly in films, but I also think that if a song is on a soundtrack, it's far from a given that it's in the movie/game.
Especially in this case, I think it was fairly obvious that the song just belongs to a tie-in EP. It's silly how many people are giving the song a pass because they think it would make good background music for a game they haven't played and it isn't going to appear in. (And I don't think some posters saying that even play video games at all!)
I love those that say "In the context of the game, this song makes sense" or "This song fits perfectly well in a God of War game".
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There's nothing wrong with that track, it sounds like a background just as much as any DT other instrumental does, enjoy the fuckin track and STFU.
You may get your wish sooner than you think. Watch it.
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If it was an album track, I'd be very dissapointed, but as a bonus track, very awsome. :)
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I was pretty bored for most of it but that guitar/keyboard riff at around 5:09 was pretty cool.
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Especially in this case, I think it was fairly obvious that the song just belongs to a tie-in EP. It's silly how many people are giving the song a pass because they think it would make good background music for a game they haven't played and it isn't going to appear in.
I don't see that as "obvious" at all. Especially in light of how DT had to rip out all samples from the song, it's clear that a) DT had no clear idea either how this song was going to be utilized, and b) we are not listening to the song in the form it was intended during composition.
rumborak
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Especially in this case, I think it was fairly obvious that the song just belongs to a tie-in EP. It's silly how many people are giving the song a pass because they think it would make good background music for a game they haven't played and it isn't going to appear in.
I don't see that as "obvious" at all. Especially in light of how DT had to rip out all samples from the song, it's clear that a) DT had no clear idea either how this song was going to be utilized, and b) we are not listening to the song in the form it was intended during composition.
rumborak
If it had been intended for use in the game, there would have been no need for samples from the game. There would have just been the game.
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In response to the title question, I'm sure with enough teriyaki sauce, it'd probably be palatable to the right person, but there's no way in hell I'm eating it.
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:lol
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Especially in this case, I think it was fairly obvious that the song just belongs to a tie-in EP. It's silly how many people are giving the song a pass because they think it would make good background music for a game they haven't played and it isn't going to appear in.
I don't see that as "obvious" at all. Especially in light of how DT had to rip out all samples from the song, it's clear that a) DT had no clear idea either how this song was going to be utilized, and b) we are not listening to the song in the form it was intended during composition.
rumborak
If it had been intended for use in the game, there would have been no need for samples from the game. There would have just been the game.
Not if it's being played during the title, credits, high-score etc.
rumborak
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Do you like Raw Dog?
Yes. /John Myung
:eek :eek :eek
:biggrin: :biggrin:
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it's an interesting track. It kinda feels like DT was hired to write a brutal metal song for a video game. what i mean is, i think they were very much in the mindset that they were hired to do something specific and they wanted to execute that. they did. I don't think something like this would ever appear organically in their writing. elements of it, sure; but never like this, i think. so when people say that it is disjointed or sounds thrown together, or is lazy, i think it really is. they weren't using their DT songwriting mindset. they were handed a mindset to use, and did. and probably didn't think much of it past that.
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Is that part at 2:11 Myung doing something funky, or Rudess invading Myung's sonic space? 'Cause either way it sounds cool.
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Is that part at 2:11 Myung doing something funky, or Rudess invading Myung's sonic space? 'Cause either way it sounds cool.
From MP's Twitter:
Jordan just laid down the coolest distorted/wah wah bass line....Tony Levin meets Cliff Burton!!! : )
4:00 PM Jan 7th via Twitterrific
@GMKennelty bass line on the keys of course....JM will learn it and double it
4:05 PM Jan 7th via Twitterrific in reply to GMKennelty
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:'(
rumborak
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:'(
rumborak
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bass line on the keys OF COURSE
:'(
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bass line on the keys OF COURSE
:'(
It was "of course" because he had already said that JR played it, and someone asked if he had played it on bass.
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It was "of course" because he had already said that JR played it, and someone asked if he had played it on bass.
Exactly.
@MikePortnoyDT Jordan... bass?
4:01 PM Jan 7th via Echofon in reply to MikePortnoyDT
https://twitter.com/GMKennelty/status/7491998517
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bass line on the keys OF COURSE
:'(
It was "of course" because he had already said that JR played it, and someone asked if he had played it on bass.
YEAH YEAH YEAH, ARIICH, ALWAYS CONCERNED WITH THE "DETAILS." WHATEVER.
:P
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I like my women like I like my dogs.
On all fours.
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I like my women like I like my dogs.
On all fours Able to lick their balls better than I can.
Wait, what?
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I do like it, but for what it is. I believe they did it in a day or something?
It's also pretty weird to get 'one song' from DT.
I love the heaviness, raw production and JP's leads are outstanding. That 'Burton/Levin' bassline was pretty awesome indeed. Too bad JM didn't have input on that one, but it's nice to hear some JM drifting away from the guitars.
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I have to say i lol'd and :facepalm: when i saw this comment raw dog on youtube
actually im a fan of their old stuff before the became a nu-metal/ pop metal ripoff band
nothing to do but more :facepalm: :facepalm:
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I like my women like I like my dogs.
On all fours Able to lick their balls better than I can.
Wait, what?
You know how when you laugh really hard, sometimes whatever you are eating/drinking comes out your nose? I was eating "Blazin' Buffalo Ranch" Doritos when I read that. I'm going to check myself into the emergency room now...
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:rollin
I didn't even know Blazin' Buffalo Ranch Doritos could come out of your nose.
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I didn't even know Blazin' Buffalo Ranch Doritos could come out of your nose.
Neither did I. It's not a feat I would ever like to see duplicated.
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It's somewhere between aye and nay for me. It's okay, but I don't think that I will listen to it that often.
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You know how when you laugh really hard, sometimes whatever you are eating/drinking comes out your nose? I was eating "Blazin' Buffalo Ranch" Doritos when I read that. I'm going to check myself into the emergency room now...
*takes a bow*
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bass line on the keys OF COURSE
:'(
It was "of course" because he had already said that JR played it, and someone asked if he had played it on bass.
YEAH YEAH YEAH, ARIICH, ALWAYS CONCERNED WITH THE "DETAILS." WHATEVER.
:P
:heart
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actually im a fan of their old stuff before the became a nu-metal/ pop metal ripoff band
(https://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/9/25/128668498196609430.jpg)
Well, seeing Fails like this on YouTube is a daily bread, anyway.
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You know how when you laugh really hard, sometimes whatever you are eating/drinking comes out your nose? I was eating "Blazin' Buffalo Ranch" Doritos when I read that. I'm going to check myself into the emergency room now...
*takes a bow*
We did good today. I like your style.
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:rollin
I didn't even know Blazin' Buffalo Ranch Doritos could come out of your nose.
From my experience, virtually anything can come out of your nose.
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Boy, you guys will argue about anything. It's obvious this EP was just a fun, one off promotion by Roadrunner. I mean DT ARE musicians, can't they have a little fun just playing and writing an instrumental?
I liked it, for what it was. I've only heard it once, but it sounded like a much heavier, more static liquid tension experiment. So like. Solid Tension Experiment, hehe.
I liked the polyrhymical parts, I hope they will write with more of those. Yes most of the riffs were just thrown together, left overs from BCSL, but its just a fun nonsense track. I'm sure they didn't sit down and discuss the theme and meaning of it at all.
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Boy, you guys will argue about anything. It's obvious this EP was just a fun, one off promotion by Roadrunner. I mean DT ARE musicians, can't they have a little fun just playing and writing an instrumental?
I liked it, for what it was. I've only heard it once, but it sounded like a much heavier, more static liquid tension experiment. So like. Solid Tension Experiment, hehe.
I liked the polyrhymical parts, I hope they will write with more of those. Yes most of the riffs were just thrown together, left overs from BCSL, but its just a fun nonsense track. I'm sure they didn't sit down and discuss the theme and meaning of it at all.
This is music, fun is not allowed!
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Boy, you guys will argue about anything. It's obvious this EP was just a fun, one off promotion by Roadrunner. I mean DT ARE musicians, can't they have a little fun just playing and writing an instrumental?
I liked it, for what it was. I've only heard it once, but it sounded like a much heavier, more static liquid tension experiment. So like. Solid Tension Experiment, hehe.
I liked the polyrhymical parts, I hope they will write with more of those. Yes most of the riffs were just thrown together, left overs from BCSL, but its just a fun nonsense track. I'm sure they didn't sit down and discuss the theme and meaning of it at all.
Which are the polyrhythmic parts? I haven't really analysed anything but they just sound like normal odd times that DT have been doing for years.
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Boy, you guys will argue about anything. It's obvious this EP was just a fun, one off promotion by Roadrunner. I mean DT ARE musicians, can't they have a little fun just playing and writing an instrumental?
No one's saying they can't have fun but a song with little to no effort put into it is still a song with little to no effort put into it and it shows.
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It has some good sections. The part at 5:30 is fun (somewhat TDOE-like), and the one at 3:20 too (sounds like from Suspended Animation).
The solo section is on the more superfluous side of the spectrum however.
rumborak
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Boy, you guys will argue about anything. It's obvious this EP was just a fun, one off promotion by Roadrunner. I mean DT ARE musicians, can't they have a little fun just playing and writing an instrumental?
Yes most of the riffs were just thrown together, left overs from BCSL, but its just a fun nonsense track. I'm sure they didn't sit down and discuss the theme and meaning of it at all.
I don't understand your point.
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The song is brutal and has some awesome sections in it. I like the song. :metal
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AOL Posted a link to download one of the in game songs:
https://www.aolradioblog.com/2010/03/05/god-of-war-3-soundtrack-brothers-of-blood-free-mp3-download/
Very epic as always.
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WTF is with the LTE comparisons? Opinions of the song's quality aside, I don't hear any basis for that at all.
-J
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AOL Posted a link to download one of the in game songs:
https://www.aolradioblog.com/2010/03/05/god-of-war-3-soundtrack-brothers-of-blood-free-mp3-download/
Very epic as always.
Ugh. What an unimaginative piece of music.
rumborak
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AOL Posted a link to download one of the in game songs:
https://www.aolradioblog.com/2010/03/05/god-of-war-3-soundtrack-brothers-of-blood-free-mp3-download/
Very epic as always.
Ugh. What an unimaginative piece of music.
rumborak
:lol
Well if you don't like that one then I strongly advise you don't listen to the rest of the soundtrack because it'll be 100% that.
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It's great, and if you guys really think it's the direction they are going... okay i'll just say it. They aren't. It was specifically tailored towards God of War, an over-the-top gore-filled action hack and slash button masher video game. Note that it's an instrumental as well?
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So? Plus I don't think anyone has to worry about this being the direction they're going in. Aside from the first minute or so, this is the direction they're going in, as in it's standard fare in terms of DT instrumental/solo sections go. What I'm the most disappointed in is that this is the first time in 7 years that they're allowed to produce something instrumental and instead of sitting back and going "hey, let's let this offbeat thing be a live staple" or something similar they completely half-assed it. Who cares if this is a stupid video game tie-in EP? Like my mentor a few jobs ago told me, if your name is on something you better know it's good because it represents you.
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Most people don't realize that 'Raw Dog' is actually played backwards as well. If you listen to the "God War" version, where they play the song from beginning to end rather than vice versa, it's the greatest song ever made.
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It's great, and if you guys really think it's the direction they are going... okay i'll just say it. They aren't. It was specifically tailored towards God of War, an over-the-top gore-filled action hack and slash button masher video game. Note that it's an instrumental as well?
I've said it a million times but God of War has never been about heavy metal music. Also, it's an instrumental because they didn't have time to get James down to do the vocals.
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And WTF with people saying it's OK "in the context of the game." It's not in the game.
huh, really?....what the hell is the point of having a soundtrack that's not music from the game?
The point is to create a buzz through cross-promotion - fans of the participating
bands might check out the game and maybe even buy that super deluxe rip-off
collector's edition, fans of the game might check out the bands' music.
I've said it a million times but God of War has never been about heavy metal music. Also, it's an instrumental because they didn't have time to get James down to do the vocals.
More like they didn't have the time to actually write lyrics for James to sing.
Of course there's a way to work around this problem. It's simply called "writing
before entering the studio", something they were once pretty damn good at.
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So? Plus I don't think anyone has to worry about this being the direction they're going in. Aside from the first minute or so, this is the direction they're going in, as in it's standard fare in terms of DT instrumental/solo sections go. What I'm the most disappointed in is that this is the first time in 7 years that they're allowed to produce something instrumental and instead of sitting back and going "hey, let's let this offbeat thing be a live staple" or something similar they completely half-assed it. Who cares if this is a stupid video game tie-in EP? Like my mentor a few jobs ago told me, if your name is on something you better know it's good because it represents you.
As I'm listening to the EP, I really am getting the feeling that none of the bands took it very seriously.
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So? Plus I don't think anyone has to worry about this being the direction they're going in. Aside from the first minute or so, this is the direction they're going in, as in it's standard fare in terms of DT instrumental/solo sections go. What I'm the most disappointed in is that this is the first time in 7 years that they're allowed to produce something instrumental and instead of sitting back and going "hey, let's let this offbeat thing be a live staple" or something similar they completely half-assed it. Who cares if this is a stupid video game tie-in EP? Like my mentor a few jobs ago told me, if your name is on something you better know it's good because it represents you.
As I'm listening to the EP, I really am getting the feeling that none of the bands took it very seriously.
I hope they didn't. Because I think that the DT and Opeth tracks are BY FAR the two best tracks on the EP, and neither one of them is very impressive.
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I hope they didn't. Because I think that the DT and Opeth tracks are BY FAR the two best tracks on the EP, and neither one of them is very impressive.
Am I to understand that you don't like Raw Dog?
It seems I have made a powerful enemy.
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I hope they didn't. Because I think that the DT and Opeth tracks are BY FAR the two best tracks on the EP, and neither one of them is very impressive.
Am I to understand that you don't like Raw Dog?
It seems I have made a powerful enemy.
I don't hate it, but it's not that great.
I love the beginning, it's King Crimson-ish, but thereafter it descends into a relatively meaningless sequence of emotionless riffs and solo sections.
I feel that it is definitely the least of their instrumentals, by a long way. But I wouldn't necessarily skip it if it came up on shuffle, and if I were at a show where they played it live, I would be OK with it.
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Especially when you consider how MP had said he had specifically wanted this tune to be an instrumental, like Erotomania and the others, since they hadn't done one in a long time. I don't understand how they would, under that high-aim premise, just scoop up some old BCSL riffs they didn't want to use on the actual record, concatenate them and solo over it. You can't tell me that that's how Erotomania or TDOE were written back in the day.
Like my mentor a few jobs ago told me, if your name is on something you better know it's good because it represents you.
Words of wisdom. The end product is what counts, and if it bears your name, you will be judged by it.
rumborak
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Especially when you consider how MP had said he had specifically wanted this tune to be an instrumental, like Erotomania and the others, since they hadn't done one in a long time. I don't understand how they would, under that high-aim premise, just scoop up some old BCSL riffs they didn't want to use on the actual record, concatenate them and solo over it. You can't tell me that that's how Erotomania or TDOE were written back in the day.
Um, TDoE certainly sounds that way. :lol A lot more so than Raw Dog I'd say.
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Especially when you consider how MP had said he had specifically wanted this tune to be an instrumental, like Erotomania and the others, since they hadn't done one in a long time. I don't understand how they would, under that high-aim premise, just scoop up some old BCSL riffs they didn't want to use on the actual record, concatenate them and solo over it. You can't tell me that that's how Erotomania or TDOE were written back in the day.
Like my mentor a few jobs ago told me, if your name is on something you better know it's good because it represents you.
Words of wisdom. The end product is what counts, and if it bears your name, you will be judged by it.
rumborak
I get the impression that the band likes the song, took it seriously, and is perfectly willing to be judged based on it.
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I don't like it that much, but for god of war it's great.
The only thing I hate is that DT has one of the best keyboardists in the world, and what he can do isn't used properly. I imagined an instrumental with a lot of choirs, but the thing ended out to be one big medley with the guitar as a majority.
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Raw Dog is like a bologna & cheese sandwich on two really tasty, homemade pieces of bread.
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I get the impression that the band likes the song, took it seriously, and is perfectly willing to be judged based on it.
Oh, I'm sure they are happy with it. Or that MP and JP are happy with it, at least.
I like some of the parts of the song, I just don't think they go together. And I think that JR is wasted for much of the song. But, like I said, it's OK. I don't hate it. But I would rather listen to any of the other instrumentals instead of this one.
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I don't hate it, but it's not that great.
I love the beginning, it's King Crimson-ish, but thereafter it descends into a relatively meaningless sequence of emotionless riffs and solo sections.
I feel that it is definitely the least of their instrumentals, by a long way. But I wouldn't necessarily skip it if it came up on shuffle, and if I were at a show where they played it live, I would be OK with it.
Give me back my opinion, sir.
-J
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*gives opinion back*
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*gives opinion back*
So now do you admit Raw Dog owns your soul?
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*gives opinion back*
So now do you admit Raw Dog owns your soul?
No.
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*gives opinion back*
Thank you.
So now do you admit Raw Dog owns your soul?
I'm allowing hef to retain partial ownership of the opinion, to avoid an ugly custody battle.
-J
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Man that opinion is gonna have one fucked up future.
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Assholes are like opinions.
Wait, what?
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Eh. I like it, a bit too random though.
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...it descends into a relatively meaningless sequence of emotionless riffs and solo sections.
I really feel like we're talking about Hell's Kitchen now.
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Say whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
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...it descends into a relatively meaningless sequence of emotionless riffs and solo sections.
I really feel like we're talking about Hell's Kitchen now.
What?
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...it descends into a relatively meaningless sequence of emotionless riffs and solo sections.
I really feel like we're talking about Hell's Kitchen now.
OK, enough of that, stay out of this thread.
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...it descends into a relatively meaningless sequence of emotionless riffs and solo sections.
I really feel like we're talking about Hell's Kitchen now.
Que?
-J
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...it descends into a relatively meaningless sequence of emotionless riffs and solo sections.
I really feel like we're talking about Hell's Kitchen now.
This... can't... be...
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Wtf bosk :lol
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Senility is an awful thing.
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Yeah, that seriously sucks for Bosk. I wonder if he remembers that awesome instrumental in Wait For Sleep (shh, maybe we can drive him insane in his senility).
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...it descends into a relatively meaningless sequence of emotionless riffs and solo sections.
I really feel like we're talking about Hell's Kitchen now.
Good God, what is this?!
I couldn't miss this opportunity, sorry.
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:lol :tup
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Raw Dog is like a bologna & cheese sandwich on two really tasty, homemade pieces of bread.
My sandwich metaphor returns...
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Is there a way to convince DT that this instrumental wasn't the real one, so that they do another one on the next album?
rumborak
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Everyone should whine about how MP's lyrics are awful, so that he passive-aggressively writes a lyric-less song as a result.
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Nah he'd just crucify us in a blog post.
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What are you guys talking about?
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...it descends into a relatively meaningless sequence of emotionless riffs and solo sections.
I really feel like we're talking about Hell's Kitchen now.
Oh no you diiiint *shakes finger*
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Is there a way to convince DT that this instrumental wasn't the real one, so that they do another one on the next album?
rumborak
Eh, I'm sure it would end up with the same problems as this one anyway. But I guess it's worth a shot.
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Is there a way to convince DT that this instrumental wasn't the real one, so that they do another one on the next album?
rumborak
I hope they know it
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It's really a Raw Dog, as in raw track, with the whole mess of ideas culminating in the 'copy and paste' outro. Actually has its charm, and some parts are definately DT studio album worthy.
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My band's drummer made the interesting comment about MP's bass drum, how it's more and more become that "slap" sound of speed and death metal bands.
rumborak
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My band's drummer made the interesting comment about MP's bass drum, how it's more and more become that "slap" sound of speed and death metal bands.
rumborak
I noticed that too, but we can't really blame him for that song since it is made to be a heavy badass song. I hope it won't sound like that on the next album though.
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I find that I like this song much better if I just start it at 0:42 and stop it at 5:48.
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I find that I like this song much better if I just start it at 0:42 and stop it at 5:48.
Nah, I have to include that Messhugah intro, but I agree about cutting it at 5:48.
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I find that I like this song much better if I just start it at 0:42 and stop it at 5:48.
That would leave out the most interesting part (the intro).
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I find that I like this song much better if I just start it at 0:42 and stop it at 5:48.
That would leave out the most annoying part (the intro).
I agree, it would. And yeah, this song has its moments, but that being said it is easily my least favorite DT instrumental, and possibly my least favorite DT song ever.
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All of you are ridiculous.
If you add music to Raw Dog, then plagues will be sent upon you. Although that isn't much of an issue. More risky is the issue of people taking away from Raw Dog that's being discussed in this thread. Aside from decreasing the song's musical quality (the whole thing is pretty rad), you will never see eternal life in heaven.
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[ugh]
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I'm glad you like this song, Reap.
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I find that I like this song much better if I just start it at 0:42 and stop it at 5:48.
That would leave out the most interesting part (the intro).
TBH the intro makes me want to stab my eardrums. If I heard that on the radio and had no clue it was Dream Theater, I would have shut it off immediately. This is the one and only song in DT's repertoire that I'd say that about...
Just not the type of noise that I interpret as music.
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Yeah the intro is so bad.
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giving it another shot...yeah, the intro is out of character for them, but the rest of it is decent
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I haven't heard it yet
(runs away)
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I haven't heard it yet
Well, no shit!
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_56.jpg)
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Avatar quoting = lame
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Avatar quoting = lame
Yup.
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Avatar quoting = lame
This. Leave that over at 5/8, please.
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...What's the big deal?
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It's specific to there. Leave it there.
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Avatar quoting = lame
But in this instance it was actually used well, since Beethoven's deaf and all...whenever I've seen it at 5/8 I've never understood why.
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Avatar quoting = lame
But in this instance it was actually used well, since Beethoven's deaf and all...
THANK YOU! Jeez!
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Avatar quoting = lame
But in this instance it was actually used well, since Beethoven's deaf and all...
THANK YOU! Jeez!
*shrug*
I thought it was clever and don't know anything about this whole 5/8 connection.
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Avatar quoting = lame
But in this instance it was actually used well, since Beethoven's deaf and all...
THANK YOU! Jeez!
o/
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Avatar quoting = lame
But in this instance it was actually used well, since Beethoven's deaf and all...
THANK YOU! Jeez!
o/
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INTERCEPTED EMINDEAD
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Avatar quoting = lame
But in this instance it was actually used well, since Beethoven's deaf and all...
THANK YOU! Jeez!
o/
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INTERCEPTED EMINDEAD
(https://msp192.photobucket.com/albums/z155/ironfistike/Sebben.jpg)
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Avatar quoting = lame
But in this instance it was actually used well, since Beethoven's deaf and all...
THANK YOU! Jeez!
o/
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INTERCEPTED EMINDEAD
:bosk1:
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People keep bashing the intro but it's the best part for me. I especially love the part when JR comes in with the eerie choir.
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It's ok-ish for me, what bothers me is that some hits aren't on, something that wouldn't have happened on a regular DT record.
rumborak
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It's ok-ish for me, what bothers me is that some hits aren't on, something that wouldn't have happened on a regular DT record.
rumborak
Are you talking about the intro or about the entire song?
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It's ok-ish for me, what bothers me is that some hits aren't on, something that wouldn't have happened on a regular DT record.
rumborak
Are you talking about the intro or about the entire song?
Just the intro. Once they settle into the regular beat, I didn't hear any timing issues.
rumborak
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Yeah i liked it enough to purchase it, shreds in some parts, but not really ...
RAW DOG = GOD WAR
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RAW DOG = GOD WAR
HOLY SHIT!
:dangerwillrobinson:
:icwomangs:
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RAW DOG = GOD WAR
HOLY SHIT!
:dangerwillrobinson:
:icwomangs:
YOU GOTTA WARN PEOPLE BEFORE YOU BLOW THEIR MINDS LIKE THAT AGAIN!
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Yeah i liked it enough to purchase it, shreds in some parts, but not really ...
RAW DOG = GOD WAR
(https://cridiron.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/coulter-no_wai.jpg)
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Just listened to it I liked it.
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Just listened to it I liked it.
Yea its a nice Metal song to just rock out to. Shame that JLB objected to the idea though, I can hear spots where it feels it needs vocals. The ending is what brought this song down, if only they had their way with the samples, then it would've been epically awesome, the ending that is.
It would work out live to me, would be cool to hear them go into it after These Walls, just go dun-dun-dun dundundun dun dun
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Shame that JLB objected to the idea
He didn't. MP objected to flying JLB down for 3 days of writing/recording.
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I enjoy the song, I enjoy the Trivium and Killswitch songs more. Seems they got more into the spirit of things...then again who knows what exactly was requested from DreamTheater.
Whatever an acceptable tune
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Shame that JLB objected to the idea
He didn't. MP objected to flying JLB down for 3 days of writing/recording.
Plus I can't imagine any good lyrics or vocal parts would've come out of it given the nature of the song.
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A week or however long it's been later and nope, it's still my least favourite DT song. Ah well, I tried to get into it and I'm not gonna whine anymore.
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Shame that JLB objected to the idea
He didn't. MP objected to flying JLB down for 3 days of writing/recording.
Plus I can't imagine any good lyrics or vocal parts would've come out of it given the nature of the song.
If they had more time, maybe? Yeah, it is what it is. An energetic rockin instrumental.
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I still hate the fact that I had to settle for mp3.
Song's good though.
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I still hate the fact that I had to settle for mp3.
Song's good though.
With the terribly hot and distorted mastering, a better format really wouldn't have helped.
It's sad to see that DT has fallen victim to the loudness war.
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I still hate the fact that I had to settle for mp3.
Song's good though.
With the terribly hot and distorted mastering, a better format really wouldn't have helped.
It's sad to see that DT has fallen victim to the loudness war.
Considering the band have already explicitly stated that they're now against the loudness war, Black Clouds had a lot more dynamic range than SC, and MP has already made it clear that this song wasn't held to the same standards as a normal DT song, I don't see how you can draw that conclusion.
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I still hate the fact that I had to settle for mp3.
Song's good though.
With the terribly hot and distorted mastering, a better format really wouldn't have helped.
It's sad to see that DT has fallen victim to the loudness war.
Considering the band have already explicitly stated that they're now against the loudness war, Black Clouds had a lot more dynamic range than SC, and MP has already made it clear that this song wasn't held to the same standards as a normal DT song, I don't see how you can draw that conclusion.
Raw Dog isn't mastered any hotter than BCSL. It only seems that way because the material is so much heavier overall. Compared to The Shattered Fortress or even the heavy parts of Wither, the Dynamic range is about the same.
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I still hate the fact that I had to settle for mp3.
Song's good though.
With the terribly hot and distorted mastering, a better format really wouldn't have helped.
It's sad to see that DT has fallen victim to the loudness war.
Considering the band have already explicitly stated that they're now against the loudness war, Black Clouds had a lot more dynamic range than SC, and MP has already made it clear that this song wasn't held to the same standards as a normal DT song, I don't see how you can draw that conclusion.
Raw Dog isn't mastered any hotter than BCSL. It only seems that way because the material is so much heavier overall. Compared to The Shattered Fortress or even the heavy parts of Wither, the Dynamic range is about the same.
Considering the fact that they've stated to be against the loudness war, BC&SL is still very loud album and Raw Dog is extremely compressed. The average dB of dynamics is the same on BC&SL and SC - around 6 dB. What happened between them deciding to make a more dynamic record and them releasing it as a loud record? In my books DT is still very much a victim of loudness war.
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I still hate the fact that I had to settle for mp3.
Song's good though.
With the terribly hot and distorted mastering, a better format really wouldn't have helped.
It's sad to see that DT has fallen victim to the loudness war.
Considering the band have already explicitly stated that they're now against the loudness war, Black Clouds had a lot more dynamic range than SC, and MP has already made it clear that this song wasn't held to the same standards as a normal DT song, I don't see how you can draw that conclusion.
Raw Dog isn't mastered any hotter than BCSL. It only seems that way because the material is so much heavier overall. Compared to The Shattered Fortress or even the heavy parts of Wither, the Dynamic range is about the same.
You speak like BCSL has great mastering.
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I still hate the fact that I had to settle for mp3.
Song's good though.
With the terribly hot and distorted mastering, a better format really wouldn't have helped.
It's sad to see that DT has fallen victim to the loudness war.
Considering the band have already explicitly stated that they're now against the loudness war, Black Clouds had a lot more dynamic range than SC, and MP has already made it clear that this song wasn't held to the same standards as a normal DT song, I don't see how you can draw that conclusion.
Raw Dog isn't mastered any hotter than BCSL. It only seems that way because the material is so much heavier overall. Compared to The Shattered Fortress or even the heavy parts of Wither, the Dynamic range is about the same.
You speak like BCSL has great mastering.
I got the vibe that he meant the opposite.
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BC&SL kinda fails at stepping away from the loudness war because, though they DID scale things back, they didn't really scale things back enough to make a difference. So they lost all the benefits of having a really loud, heavy hitting album like SC without reaping much of the benefits that the truly "dynamic" albums have.
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The only benefit of SC being loud is that it had the potential to make you deaf enough not have to listen to it again.
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BC&SL's production is one of the main reasons I'm not paticulary fond of it :-\
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Raw dog = sex position with an edgy twist?
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The only benefit of SC being loud is that it had the potential to make you deaf enough not have to listen to it again.
lol
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Considering the fact that they've stated to be against the loudness war, BC&SL is still very loud album and Raw Dog is extremely compressed. The average dB of dynamics is the same on BC&SL and SC - around 6 dB. What happened between them deciding to make a more dynamic record and them releasing it as a loud record? In my books DT is still very much a victim of loudness war.
You aren't being quite fair. Even during the soft sections of TMOLS, there's maybe 2db of dynamic range. . BCSL isn't the greatest response to the loudness war (see below), but the album lacks any truly purposeless compression. During the soft sections of BCSL, the music actually breathes. And during the heavy sections, the gain meter isn't constantly racing toward 0db. Compare Wither to Forsaken in Audacity. It's not as big a difference as I'd like, but it's still a difference.
But:
BC&SL kinda fails at stepping away from the loudness war because, though they DID scale things back, they didn't really scale things back enough to make a difference. So they lost all the benefits of having a really loud, heavy hitting album like SC without reaping much of the benefits that the truly "dynamic" albums have.
This is still true.
For what it's worth, I actually like how Raw Dog sounds. The whole song is balls to the walls heavy, so it makes sense for it to be super loud and compressed. It's not constantly racing for 0db, and I can turn it up without hurting my ears.
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Considering the fact that they've stated to be against the loudness war, BC&SL is still very loud album and Raw Dog is extremely compressed. The average dB of dynamics is the same on BC&SL and SC - around 6 dB. What happened between them deciding to make a more dynamic record and them releasing it as a loud record? In my books DT is still very much a victim of loudness war.
You aren't being quite fair. Even during the soft sections of TMOLS, there's maybe 2db of dynamic range. . BCSL isn't the greatest response to the loudness war (see below), but the album lacks any truly purposeless compression. During the soft sections of BCSL, the music actually breathes. And during the heavy sections, the gain meter isn't constantly racing toward 0db. Compare Wither to Forsaken in Audacity. It's not as big a difference as I'd like, but it's still a difference.
But:
BC&SL kinda fails at stepping away from the loudness war because, though they DID scale things back, they didn't really scale things back enough to make a difference. So they lost all the benefits of having a really loud, heavy hitting album like SC without reaping much of the benefits that the truly "dynamic" albums have.
This is still true.
For what it's worth, I actually like how Raw Dog sounds. The whole song is balls to the walls heavy, so it makes sense for it to be super loud and compressed. It's not constantly racing for 0db, and I can turn it up without hurting my ears.
Ok, maybe I'm being too harsh on it. It is slightly better, but as Perpetual Change said, it fails as making a stance against loudness war. They have to scale things down a lot from BC&SL to not compete in loudness war.
I have to say that I fail to see what the benefits of a really loud album are and how it makes sense for Raw Dog. There are no benefits to my knowledge.
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I have to say that I fail to see what the benefits of a really loud album are and how it makes sense for Raw Dog. There are no benefits to my knowledge.
I take it you've never driven a car while listening to an album?
rumborak
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Actually I have. Never really had problems with volume levels while driving. Not even with CD's made in the 80's. Also loudness feature on car player helps if the cd happens to be too quiet.
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Loudish mastering is definitely good for listening in a car, especially if the journey involves travelling quite fast. But obviously there are limits beyond which it sounds terrible anywhere.
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I feel like this song is growing on me. Its still near the bottom, but Im noticing more interesting things throughout.
Again, Dream Theater prove themselves to be masters of riffs. Raw Dog is no exception. Though I find the first few minutes of chugging are some of DTs most clunky and awkward moments, the riffs in there are pretty good. Basically from the halfway point of JPs guitar solo the song gets really good. Had they cut down the sludge metal chugs I would enjoy this song way more.