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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: OptionalPlayer on February 24, 2010, 07:25:19 PM
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James LaBrie ROCKED that song. I was watching the DVD to wake up this morning. He was gone throughout the Instrumedly, then came back with Trial of Tears. Just wow.
The man needs more appreciation. He does flop on some live songs, but man, ToT's is absolutely beautiful when he sung it.
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That performance is the definitive. I'm so glad they captured it so perfectly for that DVD.
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Definitely one of the highlights of Budokan. JLB is on for that song, and the atmosphere of the whole song is incredible, especially JR's long sustained note coming out of the keyboard solo over the acoustic section. Still gives me chills :tup
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Well, yeah, it's awesome. :)
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:tup
Great "Appreciation Thread" here! I agree, this performance is definitely TOPS, and everyone did it so well! And actually, I've always been happy with the FII-material on the recent live albums:
"New Millennium", "Hollow Years", "Trial Of Tears" and the ending of "Hell's Kitchen", all on Live At Budokan, are all done so well!
Then we have the FII-cut "Raise The Knife" from Score, which was great as the live performance really added more to the song, IMO.
Then the killer performance of "Lines In The Sand" on Chaos In Motion... at least *I* think it's a killer performance of it that song!
This leaves me to wonder which FII song(s) they'll capture on the next live release... I'm hoping for "Peruvian Skies" or "Take Away My Pain '96".
-Marc.
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Good song. However, I would enjoy JLB´s performance more if he had better enunciation.
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Good song. However, I would enjoy JLB´s performance more if he had better enunciation.
I wouldn't get my hopes up on that one... he's had enunciation problems his entire career. I still love him, though.
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Good song. However, I would enjoy JLB´s performance more if he had better enunciation.
I thought that was part of his charm...
WAAAAAAAHM ALIVE AGAIN! DARKNESS FAR BEHIND ME.
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Good song. However, I would enjoy JLB´s performance more if he had better enunciation.
I thought that was part of his charm...
WAAAAAAAHM ALIVE AGAIN! DARKNESS FAR BEHIND ME.
haha that´s my point. The parts where he sounds really powerful are stellar, but if he could combine that power with a better enunciation it would be much better (to me at least).
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That performance is the definitive. I'm so glad they captured it so perfectly for that DVD.
Agreed. In particular, the buildup following the instrumental break is fucking incredible: LaBrie nails it.
-J
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My favourite part of Live at Budokan. Every member is top-notch during this song.
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Good song. However, I would enjoy JLB´s performance more if he had better enunciation.
Haha. That's why I said Trial of Tears, and not Only a Matter of Time, a few songs after it.
*Shrugs*
Ya win some, ya lose some.
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Great stuff, one of my favorite tracks from Budokan.
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James LaBrie ROCKED that song. I was watching the DVD to wake up this morning. He was gone throughout the Instrumedly, then came back with Trial of Tears. Just wow.
The man needs more appreciation. He does flop on some live songs, but man, ToT's is absolutely beautiful when he sung it.
This brings up a side point (bolded above): is DT the only band we know where the singer constantly leaves the stage? I'm not sure I like it; it makes it seem like JLB is a "guest performer" and breaks up the camaderie of the band on stage. But what else could he do? Sure, he could air-guitar like a doofus (like Russell Allen) or bang on his tambourine, or dance like a court jester; but maybe he could take some cues from Dickinson, Halford, etc.
Sorry for the hijack.
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DT, I hear what your are saying, but DT's music passages are so long. Dickinson leaves the stage numerous times as well.
JLB has always been an outsider, or seemed so, and that's been evident from the I&W tour where the stage was like 10' X 6'. And in those passages, the band seems just fine to me. It's as if having vocals is a necessary evil. But this is nothing new.
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James LaBrie ROCKED that song. I was watching the DVD to wake up this morning. He was gone throughout the Instrumedly, then came back with Trial of Tears. Just wow.
The man needs more appreciation. He does flop on some live songs, but man, ToT's is absolutely beautiful when he sung it.
This brings up a side point (bolded above): is DT the only band we know where the singer constantly leaves the stage? I'm not sure I like it; it makes it seem like JLB is a "guest performer" and breaks up the camaderie of the band on stage. But what else could he do? Sure, he could air-guitar like a doofus (like Russell Allen) or bang on his tambourine, or dance like a court jester; but maybe he could take some cues from Dickinson, Halford, etc.
Sorry for the hijack.
I actually like it. Many other bands put the focus on the front-man and often you wouldn't know the guys in the rhythm section existed. I think it's fitting for a band like DT that puts a lot of importance on the musicality to give the spotlight to the band during the instrumental sections. I think it would only impose if he stayed on the stage.
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Speaking of Dickinson, the worst was on the early tours where he would stroke a guitar during Revelations :lol
Similar I guess to JLB holding up Jordan's keyboard during the 8V intro..
But although in general, I liked the idea behind the Percussion City that James had for the 6D's tour, it really proved distracting and forced. I have zero problem with him leaving the stage. Maybe Jordan can rig something to James' tea thermos so everytime he takes a sip, it makes a weird effect...
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If there's anyone in the world who already has a thermos MIDI controller, it's Jordan :lol
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:lolpalm:
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he would stroke a guitar
Boy, that sounds odd.
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Trial of Tears is IMO one of the best songs in FII and I really enjoyed the LiB performance. JLB was awesome on that song, as well as Jordan.
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Not a bad version, despite JR's butchering of Sherinian's original solo (which in the studio is possibly my favorite DT keyboard solo), but the vibe of the studio version is impossible to match, so all things considered, they did a pretty good job. But it still cannot compare to the original, IMO, which is one of their five or six best songs. :tup :tup
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not much better than the man you HAAAAAATE!
Possibly JLB's best track at Live at Budokan.
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Love it. Trial of Tears is my second favourite song and I'd hope to see it live one day when they are back in the UK.
As much as I love the song, I really can't grasp the acoustic simulation from JP. Sounds too tinny for me.
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Not a bad version, despite JR's butchering of Sherinian's original solo (which in the studio is possibly my favorite DT keyboard solo), but the vibe of the studio version is impossible to match, so all things considered, they did a pretty good job. But it still cannot compare to the original, IMO, which is one of their five or six best songs. :tup :tup
It's not butchered, but a typical comment from you :\
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Not a bad version, despite JR's butchering of Sherinian's original solo (which in the studio is possibly my favorite DT keyboard solo), but the vibe of the studio version is impossible to match, so all things considered, they did a pretty good job. But it still cannot compare to the original, IMO, which is one of their five or six best songs. :tup :tup
It's not butchered, but a typical comment from you :\
Correct. But as is typical, you and Kev just cannot keep your little snipes to yourselves. Do I have to tell you how tired I am getting of seeing every other thread on the DT side devolve into bickering between you, Kev, and Orcus? Sometimes I think my life would be a lot easier if I just banned the three of you so I wouldn't have to do so much babysitting.
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You know if you just banned the two of them, it would have the same result :biggrin:
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Dammitblob. :lol
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Correct. But as is typical, you and Kev just cannot keep your little snipes to yourselves. Do I have to tell you how tired I am getting of seeing every other thread on the DT side devolve into bickering between you, Kev, and Orcus? Sometimes I think my life would be a lot easier if I just banned the three of you so I wouldn't have to do so much babysitting.
For the record, I NEVER snipe at BVD anymore. I simply do not reply to any of his posts, regardless of whether they are directed at me or not. Don't believe me, look it up. If he overreacts to a post of mine he didn't like, that is on him, not me. We all cannot be expected to NEVER voice a criticism about Jordan Rudess just because he reacts to almost any criticism of him. I am not in the wrong here at all, as far as arguing or sniping is concerned, and I am not someone who thinks he is never wrong (as anyone who knows me will testify to :lol).
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I'll try a post about JR's solo on ToT without getting personal.
While I understand where Kev is coming from, I disagree to some extent. JR manages to maintain most of the atmosphere of Derek's original solo most of the time, but there are certain moments where he goes overboard, so Kev is not entirely wrong about it. Still, I like his rendition of the song's keyboard solo (especially the last note leading into the acoustic part).
One of my favourite moments of this song is also the first keyboard solo on the demo version (5:12-5:31). A true "fuck yeah" moment, and it's too bad that this solo got changed for the album version.
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I'll try a post about JR's solo on ToT without getting personal.
While I understand where Kev is coming from, I disagree to some extent. JR manages to maintain most of the atmosphere of Derek's original solo most of the time, but there are certain moments where he goes overboard, so Kev is not entirely wrong about it. Still, I like his rendition of the song's keyboard solo (especially the last note leading into the acoustic part).
This is how you respectfully give an opinion without resorting to bashing.
Kev, I'm also still trying to figure out how your personal vow to ignore me somehow makes it my problem when you cross the line. At least 95% of your posts manage to give an opinion in a respectful way, and in many ways you're a model poster in that regard. If I call you out once in a while for crossing the line and you ignore me, that doesn't put me at fault. Despite what you may think, I don't call you out on everything, recently especially.
And I mostly agree with tri.ad here. I don't personally think any of it is overboard though, and some of the changes improve on the original solo (there's one particular run and big bend that really lifts the solo up, and that last note is orgasmic. Yes, orgasmic). The sections he changes weren't that memorable anyway, and just as shreddy, and he keeps the first half of the solo pretty close, which is the half that counts.
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. . . So. . . Howabout that Trial of Tears, eh? Haha.
While we keep jumping around with subjects, I like Jordan's ragtime solo when they perform A Change of Seasons in the Instrumedly (I know they play it all the time, but I'm trying to keep it with the Live at Budokan DVD), but I wonder if he would/has ever COVERED Derek's solo? Has anyone heard him do this?
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Well SFAM was the first tour with JR, and they played the ragtime on that (at least on LSFNY), so I'd assume he's always done it that way. I never found any of the three solo bits in that section that interesting, so I like the alternate ones on LSFNY.
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I'll try a post about JR's solo on ToT without getting personal.
While I understand where Kev is coming from, I disagree to some extent. JR manages to maintain most of the atmosphere of Derek's original solo most of the time, but there are certain moments where he goes overboard, so Kev is not entirely wrong about it. Still, I like his rendition of the song's keyboard solo (especially the last note leading into the acoustic part).
This is how you respectfully give an opinion without resorting to bashing.
Kev, I'm also still trying to figure out how your personal vow to ignore me somehow makes it my problem when you cross the line. At least 95% of your posts manage to give an opinion in a respectful way, and in many ways you're a model poster in that regard. If I call you out once in a while for crossing the line and you ignore me, that doesn't put me at fault. Despite what you may think, I don't call you out on everything, recently especially.
Blob, his post didn't "cross the line." You calling him out on what is largely just a difference of opinion was completely unnecessary.
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Whatever, I give up. It's a double standard for what you're allowed to say about certain band (or ex-band) members around here anyway. Seems anything is fair game with JR.
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Whatever, I give up. It's a double standard for what you're allowed to say about certain band (or ex-band) members around here anyway. Seems anything is fair game with JR.
WTF Blob, he said that he thought JR butchered the solo, which is his favorite solo. He didn't bash the band, or bash JR. He expressed his opinion about one solo. It's OK if he thinks that. Where's the problem with him thinking that? Where's the problem with him posting that?
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I'm not pointing the finger at any one particular person. I'm just saying I'm tired of seeing the same three or so people always at the center of it, regardless of who started it. I don't really care to have to listen to one person or the other say, "he started it!" For starters, I DON'T CARE! Someone started it. Someone continued it. Both piss me off equally. Second, do I even need to point out how immature that sounds? Really? Do you not understand that? You're all on notice that your schtick is getting old, I'm getting tired of it, and I don't really care whether you like what I'm telling you or not.
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Whatever, I give up. It's a double standard for what you're allowed to say about certain band (or ex-band) members around here anyway. Seems anything is fair game with JR.
While I don't agree that the solo was butchered at all, (I love the Budokan version of the song A LOT), you still just need to let it go. Hell, JRs solo used to be my ringtone. :lol
You're saying he crossed the line, that it's a double standard. Simply not true. You're like someone in politics who says, "Whenever the Republicans do something wrong you hear about it all the time, but not Democrats!" Dude, it goes both ways all. the. time.
If you would just reply with your own opinion, rather than jumping on him, the argument is a lot more avoidable.
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True, but there was no argument, because, as I previously stated, I do not reply to certain persons anymore. It makes this forum a lot more enjoyable for me this way. That is why I am never at the center of it anymore, as bosk1 incorrectly stated. I cannot help it if he replies to my posts.
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It's pretty easy to understand...
Giving a respectful opinion about a piece of music (positive or negative) or about a musician's performance, is fine.
There really are no double-standards. I'm not a fan of much of DT's modern era output. I exist just fine here, without issue. People need to stop taking others' opinions so personal.
not to pick on Blob (and I'm not, Blob, it's just this example comes to mind), but if someone loves Awake, and posts a thread about it, does it really require someone coming in and taking shots at that particular opinion? Of course not. For the sake of discussion, if a person has to comment, you can simply say: "My opinion on it is well documented, so I'll be brief. I just don't think the record has *insert descriptive term that sums up your feeling* in comparison to some of the other albums. But hey man, glad you are diggin' it. Some good songs on there."
Bang, done.
And then after that, people need to stop sniping at others' opinions. It's called constructive debate. The problem is (not talking about ANYONE specifically, because I honestly just remember posts, not people for the most part) that folks just nitpick for the sake of nitpick, which gets on the nerves of some folks.
Just detach yourselves and have constructive conversation. Hell, bosk and I disagree about a ton regarding Dream Theater. And we never have any issues (other than his bowing down before the altar of Y&T's "Summertime Girls" which to this day, I don't understand).
In a nutshell, people take stuff too personal and then push buttons. Detach and resist the urge. It'll result in a better forum.
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I don't understand the love of Summertime Girls either.
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Me either.
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I don't think Rudess butchered the solo. That's pretty much the only version of Trial of Tears I listen to, though, so I wouldn't really notice anyway, but I pretty much disagree whenever it's claimed that JR has butchered something.
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*resists*
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Definitely one of the highlights of Budokan. JLB is on for that song, and the atmosphere of the whole song is incredible, especially JR's long sustained note coming out of the keyboard solo over the acoustic section. Still gives me chills :tup
All of this!
My favorite DT song, hands down, and the definitive version of the song!
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Not a bad version, despite JR's butchering of Sherinian's original solo (which in the studio is possibly my favorite DT keyboard solo), but the vibe of the studio version is impossible to match, so all things considered, they did a pretty good job. But it still cannot compare to the original, IMO, which is one of their five or six best songs. :tup :tup
It's not butchered, but a typical comment from you :\
Correct. But as is typical, you and Kev just cannot keep your little snipes to yourselves. Do I have to tell you how tired I am getting of seeing every other thread on the DT side devolve into bickering between you, Kev, and Orcus? Sometimes I think my life would be a lot easier if I just banned the three of you so I wouldn't have to do so much babysitting.
I...I haven't even done anything in ahwile :|
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Not a bad version, despite JR's butchering of Sherinian's original solo (which in the studio is possibly my favorite DT keyboard solo), but the vibe of the studio version is impossible to match, so all things considered, they did a pretty good job. But it still cannot compare to the original, IMO, which is one of their five or six best songs. :tup :tup
It's not butchered, but a typical comment from you :\
Correct. But as is typical, you and Kev just cannot keep your little snipes to yourselves. Do I have to tell you how tired I am getting of seeing every other thread on the DT side devolve into bickering between you, Kev, and Orcus? Sometimes I think my life would be a lot easier if I just banned the three of you so I wouldn't have to do so much babysitting.
I...I haven't even done anything in ahwile :|
Well....then clearly you can rest assured that your legacy lives on. :metal :biggrin:
-J
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Not crazy about the Budokan performance. It's cool and all, but I'm a huge fan of the studio version and Budokan doesn't live up to the original. Also, the drum sound is one of the things that makes the studio version so kick ass, and I don't think they'll ever be able to get that live.
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I...I haven't even done anything in ahwile :|
Well, I am a very visual person, so if you change your avatar to something else, I'll probably forget I was mad at you. :lol
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I don't understand the love of Summertime Girls either.
Watch it, pal. :police:
Me either.
For shame.
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*watches it*
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Me either.
For shame.
:lol If the band looks back on that period as a "what on earth were we thinking?" moment, I am certainly entitled to do the same as a fan.
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Seriously, that is the "least deep" song I've ever heard. Compared to that song, KISS's Love Gun is a work by Kierkegaard.
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I'll move my thoughts on this to the DT chat thread...
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Seriously, that is the "least deep" song I've ever heard. Compared to that song, KISS's Love Gun is a work by Kierkegaard.
You sir, just won a prize for the world's first ever mention of Kiss and Kierkegaard in the same sentence.
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Definitely one of the highlights of Budokan. JLB is on for that song, and the atmosphere of the whole song is incredible, especially JR's long sustained note coming out of the keyboard solo over the acoustic section. Still gives me chills :tup
All of this!
My favorite DT song, hands down, and the definitive version of the song!
I agree, the first DT song (LAB version, although the studio version is great too) that really got me hooked onto them.
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Seriously, that is the "least deep" song I've ever heard. Compared to that song, KISS's Love Gun is a work by Kierkegaard.
You sir, just won a prize for the world's first ever mention of Kiss and Kierkegaard in the same sentence.
*bows with a flourish*
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In honor of this thread I did not change the station when Summertime Girls came on.
I kinda wish I had.
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In honor of this thread I did not change the station when Summertime Girls came on.
I kinda wish I had.
I understand.
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:ultimetal:
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This thread has ended in a Trial of Tears.
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What a weird thread to read. There was nothing to warrant the strange explosion half-way in.
rumborak
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:ultimetal:
*refrains*
:lol
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This thread has ended in a Trial of Tears.
A Trail Of Beers.
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What a weird thread to read. There was nothing to warrant the strange explosion half-way in.
rumborak
Yes, I know.
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I'm watching this now, and all I can think of is, this seems like quite the boring song live.
Now, don't get me wrong... I love the song, it just seems like a snoozer live.
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I've seen it live, I assure you it isn't!
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I've seen it live, I assure you it isn't!
Ditto.
BTW, reading through all of the posts in this thread was serious entertainment. I'm glad it was revived. ;D :o
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I'm watching this now, and all I can think of is, this seems like quite the boring song live.
Now, don't get me wrong... I love the song, it just seems like a snoozer live.
Do you believe in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis?
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I've seen it live, I assure you it isn't!
I hope I can. They didn't come here for DT12 tour
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Gives me chills every time that huge sounding bass comes in with the beat after Petrucci intro solo stuff. Myung's tone and the mix are so spot on there.