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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: Slain on February 15, 2010, 04:53:25 PM
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Who would you want to sing?
I'd personally have to say Geoff Tate.
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No Tate please.
Mikael Åkerfeldt, Russell Allen, and Daniel Gildenlow in exactly that order.
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No one. I can't imagine DT with anyone else singing at this point.
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No one. I can't imagine DT with anyone else singing at this point.
Bah! Just play along. If something happened to JLB where he suddenly had to leave would you support DT quitting altogether?
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Yes I would.
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No one. I can't imagine DT with anyone else singing at this point.
Yeah, I'm not saying I'd ever want him replaced, but I was thinking in the instance that it did happen.
Imagine Akerfeldt singing take the time
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Yes I would.
Damn :sad:
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Tate would not be a good fit for several reasons: (1) he has completely lost his range and developed horrible, horrible singing habits; (2) even if we could go back in time to when he could still sing properly, his voice doesn't fit DT's sound; (3) his ego would clash with other strong personalities in the band and would ruin the band's chemistry.
I would have to go with Russell Allen and Daniel Gildenlow, in that order.
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No one. I can't imagine DT with anyone else singing at this point.
Yeah, I'm not saying I'd ever want him replaced, but I was thinking in the instance that it did happen.
Imagine Akerfeldt singing take the time
Buuuut, imagine the potential the metal tracks could have.
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Imagine Akerfeldt singing take the time
I can't imagine that at all.
I'll be honest, I'd love to hear DT style music with death vocals, but it wouldn't be Dream Theater.
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Aldos Snow.
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Matt Smith from Theocracy would be an interesting choice.
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Ray Alder wouldn't be a bad fit. Neither would Russell Allen, but I don't know really. LaBrie is quintessential.
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Nils K. Rue from Pagan's Mind
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Ray Alder would have to be the guy. Hopefully he'd take complete control of lyric writing duties, too.
I can't imagine the guys in DT getting along with a dictator like Daniel Gildenlow.
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Gildenlöw, Allen, or Alder would all work well from a pure vocals stand-point, but I think Alder would mesh the best.
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I'd rather have that DT disband then that Gildenlöw joins DT and PoS disbands.
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I'd rather have that DT disband then that Gildenlöw joins DT and PoS disbands.
It doesn't matter who Daniel sings for. As long as he gets his way, the album will sound as he wants. That's why I'm so frustrated with PoS lately. Such wasted potential from all the other members of the band.
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Of all the names that have been thrown around so far, the only one that sounds like it might work is Ray Alder.
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The guy from Circus Maximus.
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then the world would implode.
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The guy from Circus Maximus.
ditto this!
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If DT lose JLB, I'd rather them just finish up. DT have had the same line-up the entire time I've been a fan, and I can't imagine any other line-up being DT.
Just to be different though, I'll say Michael Matijevic. He's a bit of a weirdo on stage, but he's got the vocal range, and the emotional range.
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If we lost JLB now I'd say break dt up
but if I had to choose someone else I'd say Russel Allen :metal :metal :metal
He's pretty great
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Yeah, if LaBrie was gone, I would rather Dream Theater call it quits and the members go do other projects.
Ray Alder might fit, though, and while Russel Allen or Daniel Gildenlow sound fun in theory, they wouldn't fit.
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Tate would not be a good fit for several reasons: (1) he has completely lost his range and developed horrible, horrible singing habits; (2) even if we could go back in time to when he could still sing properly, his voice doesn't fit DT's sound; (3) his ego would clash with other strong personalities in the band and would ruin the band's chemistry.
I would have to go with Russell Allen and Daniel Gildenlow, in that order.
I believe Gildenlow's ego would be just as big a problem, if not more.
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Noone. JLB fits DT best, and no other singer would be a very good fit. The conclusion would be DT disbanding.
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I would certainly support DT if any band member left, actually. You should still give your favorite band a chance for trying out something new. However, I can't imagine any other singer in place of James. Maybe Russell Allen, but then we wouldn't have Symphony X. I dunno, really...
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Matt Smith from Theocracy would be an interesting choice.
Yes I agree. I also think that Michel Luppe, formerly of Vision Divine would be good too.
Geoff tate would be fine, as long as we are talking about late 80's Tate. He could NOT do it now. Same for Ray Alder. If we're talking Paralells era, fine, but now, he can't even sing Redemption's vocal lines, how the hell is he going to do DT's.
Michael kiske would be great, IMO.
But Russ Allen,..he does not have a DT voice, nor does he convey the same emotion that JLB does. I'm not familiar with Gildenow, but Ackerfeldt?? Please, give me a break.
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When I first got into DT I wished the singer would be anyone other than James but now I wouldn't like/can't think of anyone other than him.
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I always thought James was perfect. His performance on I&W is incredible.
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Tate would not be a good fit for several reasons: (1) he has completely lost his range and developed horrible, horrible singing habits; (2) even if we could go back in time to when he could still sing properly, his voice doesn't fit DT's sound; (3) his ego would clash with other strong personalities in the band and would ruin the band's chemistry.
I would have to go with Russell Allen and Daniel Gildenlow, in that order.
I believe Gildenlow's ego would be just as big a problem, if not more.
You could be right. I don't really know him very well and was just going off of how he very willingly stepped into Transatlantic and was able to take a backseat and let the actual bandmembers dictate what he should play/sing and did not try to hog the spotlight one bit.
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Mike Portnoy. You know, like when Phil Collins stepped up in Genesis or Nick D. in Spock's Beard. Portnoy could do it. No doubt.
Just kidding.
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Mike Portnoy. You know, like when Phil Collins stepped up in Genesis or Nick D. in Spock's Beard. Portnoy could do it. No doubt.
It's still an interesting choice, though. Ringo could replace him on drums. :biggrin:
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Tate would not be a good fit for several reasons: (1) he has completely lost his range and developed horrible, horrible singing habits; (2) even if we could go back in time to when he could still sing properly, his voice doesn't fit DT's sound; (3) his ego would clash with other strong personalities in the band and would ruin the band's chemistry.
I would have to go with Russell Allen and Daniel Gildenlow, in that order.
I believe Gildenlow's ego would be just as big a problem, if not more.
You could be right. I don't really know him very well and was just going off of how he very willingly stepped into Transatlantic and was able to take a backseat and let the actual bandmembers dictate what he should play/sing and did not try to hog the spotlight one bit.
If he was viewing himself more as a "hired gun" type, along those lines, then you're right, he'd probably be fine. If he was considering himself a legitimate member of the band, however, I don't know if he could restrain himself.
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It'd be very tricky, but I think Roy Khan would probably be the closest fit. He's got a good range, strong voice, and a bit of a snarl when the time is right. I'm not sure if he's got the versatility, though.
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I don't mind him deciding what course to take (with PoS), he is pretty damn good at what he does :corn.
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Daniel Gildenlow can most definitely do everything James does just as well if not ten times better.
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It'd be very tricky, but I think Roy Khan would probably be the closest fit. He's got a good range, strong voice, and a bit of a snarl when the time is right. I'm not sure if he's got the versatility, though.
Who's Roy Kahn?
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It'd be very tricky, but I think Roy Khan would probably be the closest fit. He's got a good range, strong voice, and a bit of a snarl when the time is right. I'm not sure if he's got the versatility, though.
Who's Roy Kahn?
Kamelot's vocalist.
Would be interesting to hear him sing some DT material, he is an amazing vocalist.
Daniel Gildenlow can most definitely do everything James does just as well if not ten times better.
Yea. Problem is that he wouldn't quite fit in with the band.
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Daniel Gildenlow can most definitely do everything James does just as well if not ten times better.
Fanboy much?
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It'd be very tricky, but I think Roy Khan would probably be the closest fit. He's got a good range, strong voice, and a bit of a snarl when the time is right. I'm not sure if he's got the versatility, though.
Who's Roy Kahn?
Kamelot's vocalist.
Would be interesting to hear him sing some DT material, he is an amazing vocalist.
Aye!
TAC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDvYXHXczO8
Dunno how you are on power metal (of which this song more or less is), but have a little listen to his voice. Even if you're not too fond of the music, go to about 4:40 and wait for the call and return. V. cool. Till more or less the end. Powerful, passionate, reaches high notes, enunciates well. His voice is quite low, by and large, though. Lower than JLB's.
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TBH, I don't think that any of the names mentioned thus far would be great fits.
Therefore, I would humbly volunteer to help the guys out and sub for JLB.
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Thanks Rob. I love power metal.
But I've never been able to pull the trigger on any Kamelot. I do like what I hear.
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tim owens
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tim owens
Now here's a really original, interesting and even possible idea. :tup
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Lol Ripper's cool but HELL NO. Russell Allen for me although it would be comical when during a live song he goes off on an exaggerated singing melody tangent.
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The funny thing is that Tim Owens could do it and would be a nice fit for the band if something were to happen to James (god forbid). He'd probably be treated slightly better by DT fans than the Iced Earth ones, too :tup
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some pretty interesting suggestions, and yeah, I would hate to see DT go on without him, but it's just one of those "what if" situations.
Tim Owens would be cool
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For the record though, I'm 100% with those who agree that it's not DT w/out JLB. Hey JLB, stick around please ;D
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Charlie Dominici.
Just Kidding. Tim Owens and Ray Alder would be good. Roy Kahn would be interesting as well. However, DT is not DT without Good 'Ol LaBrie. I'd actually prefer that DT breaks up or becomes a seldom-releasing album band with guest singers (However this would stop the essence of DT). But it wouldn't work permanently without James.
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TBH, I don't think that any of the names mentioned thus far would be great fits.
Therefore, I would humbly volunteer to help the guys out and sub for JLB.
I can see it now. Fans just waiting during LTL for the Hef#
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:lol
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:lol
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9f2c4ZdI7w
The guy who sings on this cover? (3:37 o.O)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9f2c4ZdI7w
The guy who sings on this cover? (3:37 o.O)
Yes. With a vocal producer he would be incredible.
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Lee Ving :smiley:
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Daniel Gildenlow can most definitely do everything James does just as well if not ten times better.
Fanboy much?
You can't deny it though.
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Daniel Gildenlow can most definitely do everything James does just as well if not ten times better.
Fanboy much?
You can't deny it though.
Sure I can. Because I'm not a PoS fanboy.
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The guy from Circus Maximus.
ditto'd again.
This stupid band better release new matierial soon before the world forgets who they ~were~
Mikeal Anderson or Jorne Lande would be nice fits too...I could see Devin Townsend filling in nicely for Labrie too....quiet when needs to be...a screamer when it could be warranted oh..and he's canadian too.
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TBH, I don't think that any of the names mentioned thus far would be great fits.
Therefore, I would humbly volunteer to help the guys out and sub for JLB.
I can see it now. Fans just waiting during LTL for the Hef#
I can hit it, no worries.
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Daniel Gildenlow.
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Daniel Gildenlow can most definitely do everything James does just as well if not ten times better.
Fanboy much?
You can't deny it though.
Sure I can. Because I'm not a PoS fanboy.
Every heard him sing?
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No one. I can't imagine DT with anyone else singing at this point.
Yeah, I'm not saying I'd ever want him replaced, but I was thinking in the instance that it did happen.
Imagine Akerfeldt singing take the time
Buuuut, imagine the potential the metal tracks could have.
I can quickly imagine DT losing me as a fan in that scenario.
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The guy from Circus Maximus.
ditto'd again.
This stupid band better release new matierial soon before the world forgets who they ~were~
It's only been three years...
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No one. I can't imagine DT with anyone else singing at this point.
Yeah, I'm not saying I'd ever want him replaced, but I was thinking in the instance that it did happen.
Imagine Akerfeldt singing take the time
Buuuut, imagine the potential the metal tracks could have.
I can quickly imagine DT losing me as a fan in that scenario.
Oh don't think so small. I can see them losing several fans in that scenario.
I was, to clarify however, speaking of future metal tracks. I wasn't specifically angling for him to bring out the searing roaring barrage seen in the bridge of Serenity Painted Death(5:28 in) even though I'd love to see how that would work during that part at 8:04 into The Glass Prison with him trading off with MP like this:
MP(same voice he originally used throughout): Enter the door!
Mikael(rororo voice): Desperate
MP: Fighting no more!
Mikael: Help me restore!
...and so on.
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That would be horrible. I actually really like the way JLB yells those parts.
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That would be horrible. I actually really like the way JLB yells those parts.
That's rather dismissive. I think JLB is reaching for what ain't there on those parts, there are female vocalists out there who could sing it with more balls.
Do you just not like death vox? It's fine if you don't and I'd understand where you're coming from a lot better if so.
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I was, to clarify however, speaking of future metal tracks.
Oh I understood that just fine. The problem is that I LOATHE cookie monster vocals, and having someone like Akerfeldt in there is gonna mean there's more of them than there already (unfortunately) is. (And yes, I realize that technically speaking, there are no cookie monster vocals on a DT album yet, but TDEN and ANtR have some vocals that are too close for comfort already).
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I was, to clarify however, speaking of future metal tracks.
Oh I understood that just fine. The problem is that I LOATHE cookie monster vocals, and having someone like Akerfeldt in there is gonna mean there's more of them than there already (unfortunately) is. (And yes, I realize that technically speaking, there are no cookie monster vocals on a DT album yet, but TDEN and ANtR have some vocals that are too close for comfort already).
I like this guy
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I was, to clarify however, speaking of future metal tracks.
Oh I understood that just fine. The problem is that I LOATHE cookie monster vocals, and having someone like Akerfeldt in there is gonna mean there's more of them than there already (unfortunately) is. (And yes, I realize that technically speaking, there are no cookie monster vocals on a DT album yet, but TDEN and ANtR have some vocals that are too close for comfort already).
I hear ya to some extent. I used to have James Hetfield being the extreme end of my liking for harsh vox. Eventually I got into Death(the band) when I borrowed a copy of Symbolic from a friend in '99 and loved(no, fuck that! ADORED) the great riffs and mind-boggling drumming of Gene Hoglan but was still iffy at best about death vox. I just couldn't stop listening to that album though since the moods conveyed and amazing arrangements with their progressive nature were so much more impressive than even ...And Justice For All (sacrilege right? :blush) was to me.
For a long time I still could only let other Dvox bands in on a very limited basis such as Cynic and Mastodon(kinda light for the Dvox consideration I know) but I eventually realized that for the kind of metal I liked best I'd have to put up with this vocal style. I think some of my main reservations were kinda silly looking back on it:
1) Too headache-provoking...I realized that even bands like Korn and Rage Against the Machine used to feel as though they were boring a hole into my eardrums when I was coming off of grunge being my only main immersion into rock music and that it'd be foolish to get complacent and close my mind on the matter. I wondered how many awesome beers would I not have tried if I never acquired the taste for alcohol, how many sports I wouldn't have tried cuz I miserably sucked at them originally, how many delicious dishes I'd have snubbed if I let their spiciness discourage me?
2) Embarrassed due to others' reactions...I got over this one pretty quickly but in the beginning I remembered how I would snobbishly think to myself how lame someone's taste in music must be if they listen to bands that only roar all the time and thus felt a bit insecure because I figured some ppl may think the same of me.
3) It's not really singing...This one took a while for me to completely get over since I could never fully support it in a way I felt would hold up in a proper debate even once I personally was okay with it not being traditional singing. Context was the key to this one. I wouldn't wear a grass skirt to a job interview(on purpose anyway) but at a luau I'm the bee's knees. Likewise Dvox don't mix well with most musical styles but they make perfect sense in certain types of rock and metal and possibly even other styles. There are some parts in songs where Rob Halford or Russell Allen at their testosterone-drenched best simply wouldn't be able to provide the necessary intensity to deliver the punch needed to help a song reach its fruition the way Mikael Åkerfeldt, Stu Block, or Chuck Schuldiner can.
I think getting into Opeth was what helped me finally make total peace with Dvox since I knew there was no way I could not listen to music this good. Also, unless the vocals are miserably undesirable I can get past a lot since I am more into music than vocals. I've never fully liked JLB but DT was my fave from 2000-04.
Bottom line: As long as you look at Dvox w/ a narrow mind they're all gonna sound like cookie monster to you which is a tragically short-sighted standpoint. Once you give them a chance, you might start to see subtle nuances that distinguish one guy from the next and though you'll never like them all(trust me as a longtime fan of the style, we all will still hate some just as fans of regular vox don't just like every singer they hear) you just might be pleasantly surprised by some types like Opeth's Mikael Åkerfeldt(a very good clean singer in his own right too) and also Scar Symmetry(clean vox used as well.)
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Well, I appreciate your explanation, but forgive me if I decide I'm happy in my "tragically short-sighted standpoint". As far as I'm concerned, there's plenty of other music out there for me to enjoy, just as there are many different types of food dishes out there that don't burn the tastebuds off your tongue. And quite frankly, I don't enjoy the headaches or angry emotions that some of the heavier music has on me - cookie monster vocals only makes that worse. Add to that the lyrics that are sometimes tied to that style of music (it is called "death metal" for a reason) - I don't like the dark, occult-ish and/or death lyrical content - it goes against my religious beliefs.
So while I appreciate you trying to "open" my eyes, thanx but no thanx.
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That would be horrible. I actually really like the way JLB yells those parts.
That's rather dismissive. I think JLB is reaching for what ain't there on those parts, there are female vocalists out there who could sing it with more balls.
I think JLB's yells work much better than an Akerfeldt growl would, at least in this specific example. I think growls are best used to convey a certain set of emotions. Growling sounds dark, angry, evil, ominous...stuff like that. But the way JLB yells the word "des-per-ate!" sounds...desperate. It's perfect. Growling it would probably sound badass but reduce the lyric's punch.
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Daniel Gildenlow can most definitely do everything James does just as well if not ten times better.
Fanboy much?
You can't deny it though.
Sure I can. Because I'm not a PoS fanboy.
Every heard him sing?
Dude that's not how DT's biggest fanboy works. Don't question his reasoning!!
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Daniel Gildenlow can most definitely do everything James does just as well if not ten times better.
Fanboy much?
You can't deny it though.
Sure I can. Because I'm not a PoS fanboy.
Every heard him sing?
Dude that's not how DT's biggest fanboy works. Don't question his reasoning!!
Who's the fanboy here? You know, I think it might be the guy dishing out the extreme hyperbole. :justjen
It's either delusional fanboyism, or blatantly trolling a DT board. Take your pick.
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Listen, Daniel Gildenlow is a great singer with fantastic range, and I WISH DT could write and pull off some of the amazing vocal harmonies that grace the PoS discography.
That said, Daniel Gildenlow would not sound good AT ALL singing Dream Theater songs. James LaBrie's extremely distinct voice has played such a huge role defining the DT sound that the only was he could be replaced would be by some nobody who happens to sound simillar to him.
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Obviously if JLB wasn't in DT then Mike would be the lead vocalist
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Obviously if JLB wasn't in DT then Mike would be the lead vocalist
According to some, this is happening already. :biggrin:
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This thread is interesting to me- I have plenty of Deep Purple albums without Ritchie Blackmore or Ian Gillan, and I've heard SO many folks say "it's not Purple w/out Blackmore" or something. I always shrugged them off as closed-minded, and tried to explain the great albums they're missing with Tommy Bolin, Steve Morse, etc.
But with a band like Dream Theater, who I grew up with to an extent (been following em for over 10 years now), I find myself guilty of the same attitude. I'm not sure it'd be DT to me (not that I matter lol) w/out JLB. I'd give it a chance, but whether I liked it or not, it'd be like a different band. Just my two cents though.
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Daniel Gildenlow can most definitely do everything James does just as well if not ten times better.
Fanboy much?
You can't deny it though.
Sure I can. Because I'm not a PoS fanboy.
Every heard him sing?
Dude that's not how DT's biggest fanboy works. Don't question his reasoning!!
Aren't we basically doing the same but the other way 'round? :p
I agree that Gildenlöw's singing would feel out of place on most DT songs though. But I do think he is by far the superior vocalist (nothing against LaBrie, he is awesome as well).
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You know what would rule? A DT tribute CD with famous prog singers doing it so we can see how they'd sound. Allen on one, Gildenlow on another, ripper, alden, all of them. Who wouldn't get that?
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You know what would rule? A DT tribute CD with famous prog singers doing it so we can see how they'd sound. Allen on one, Gildenlow on another, ripper, alden, all of them. Who wouldn't get that?
And don't forget Bob Dylan :neverusethis:
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Stephen Michael Stone
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You know what would rule? A DT tribute CD with famous prog singers doing it so we can see how they'd sound. Allen on one, Gildenlow on another, ripper, alden, all of them. Who wouldn't get that?
And don't forget Bob Dylan :neverusethis:
Also Michael Stipe, Ric Ocasek, and the guy from Meshuggah.
It's actually more fun to think of singers who would be very inappropriate for DT.
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It's actually more fun to think of singers who would be very inappropriate for DT.
Snoop Dog?
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I was actually serious about my post, but do go on mocking it.
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I was actually serious about my post, but do go on mocking it.
Your idea was a good one. To have various prog vocalists take their shot at DT would be cool as hell. I didn't mean to come off as mocking your post; really I was just responding to the idea of putting forth ludicrous candidates and laughing at that. Perhaps Ludicrus would be a good candidate?
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That's just a ludicrus idea.
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I would like to throw a monkey wrench in the convo for a min and suggest perhaps Adam Pascal. He has a powerful voice as well as that soft appeal to his voice that would be expected from a JLB successor. He's not a metal singer but I imagine he could put an interesting sound on some songs. However he may not have the range for older ones, I don't know much about him.
Also the guy who sings for Kalisia, I think his name is Brett Caldas-Lima. They covered A Fortune in Lies and did a hell of a job. He would sound great on most songs, though I've not heard his soft side.
Ripper...Would be a terrible replacement. I would need to see him demonstrate a consistant bridging of his passagio before even attempting a DT song. Not only that but his chest voice and head voice sound very different with his head voice not as well controled/maintained as JLB. Ripper may have the range and power but simple does not IMO have the vocal control needed to sing most of DT's catalogue.
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Freddie Mercury for sure...+ living - HUGE Personality. I'd enjoy Disappear or Goodnight Kiss with his vocals, though clearly Labrie was brilliant covering the Queen songs.
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Adam Lambert (https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/tremontidood/tard-1.gif)
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Ray Alder :D
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I second the Adam Pascal nomination... before all of the broadway stuff he was a hard rock singer, and he likely has the range. I've heard him sing a high C# well enough to know that there's probably more there.
Second - can someone point me in the direction of evidence (interviews or whatnot) for Gildenlow's assumed megalomaniacal tendencies? PoS has always primarily been a vehicle for his songwriting and ideas. Since that's the way it's structured, the other members knew what they were getting into when they joined. The only possible exception to that would be Frederik. Daniel is my all time favorite singer, but he would not work with DT's style.
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I'm probably going to get flogged for this but my first pick would be Stryper's Michael Sweet. His voice pairs well with DT music and has great range.
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Adam Lambert (https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/tremontidood/tard-1.gif)
oh damn I forgot about him. I honestly think he'd be a wonderful fit. That guy can hit any note holy shit.
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:lol
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And:
MP(same voice he originally used throughout): Enter the door!
Mikael(rororo voice): Desperate
MP: Fighting no more!
Mikael: Help me restore!
...and so on.
Brutal.. :metal
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MP(same voice he originally used throughout): Enter the door!
Mikael(rororo voice): Desperate
MP: Fighting no more!
Mikael: Help me restore!
...and so on.
Brutal.. :metal
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I envision it as being slower compared to the original though.
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You know, as an Alter Bridge fanboy, i can see Myles Kennedy owning songs like These Walls and Under A Glass Moon. But I will have to agree with the majority that I rather see DT end than to have someone replace Labrie
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It's actually more fun to think of singers who would be very inappropriate for DT.
Snoop Dog?
Imagine him doing count of tuscany
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It's actually more fun to think of singers who would be very inappropriate for DT.
Snoop Dog?
Imagine him doing count of tuscany
Yo, le'mme introduce... MINE BRUTHA!
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Andy Kuntz
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Gene Adam. Oh the horror. The hilarious horror.
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It's actually more fun to think of singers who would be very inappropriate for DT.
Snoop Dog?
Imagine him doing count of tuscany
Yo, le'mme introduce... MINE BRUTHA!
could this bizee the ezzend???