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Title: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: 73109 on October 21, 2009, 02:17:16 PM
Now, if I am not mistaken, Squier is a shit company, but I remember reading somewhere that once, Squier was actually like the way Epiphone or LTD is now. Bcause I think I actually have a guitar from that period. It is Korean made and it plays great, and doesn't sound half bad. Anybody know if this actually is from the time period in which Squier was not a shit company?
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: antigoon on October 21, 2009, 02:19:27 PM
There is still a large community of people who enjoy Squiers (new and old). With a little modding and tweaking, a Squier can become an extremely competent guitar. The new Classic Vibe series actually looks pretty cool.

A discussion forum: https://www.strat-talk.com/forum/squier-strat-forum/
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: 73109 on October 21, 2009, 02:21:40 PM
If I gave you the serial number would you know what year it was from?
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: antigoon on October 21, 2009, 02:32:52 PM
check it out, this might help

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squier#Serial_number_tracing
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: 73109 on October 21, 2009, 02:42:41 PM
Sweet, so apparently my guitar is a Saehan(Sunghan) made Squier made in 1993. Is it good, no clue.
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: antigoon on October 21, 2009, 02:43:14 PM
What do you mean, no clue? How does it play?
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: 73109 on October 21, 2009, 02:47:33 PM
It plays pretty good, neck is smooth, the thing is the bridge was replaced and the pickups are staring to get shot, so I wanted to know if this was a decent enough guitar (wood wise) to stick these https://www.guitarcenter.com/Lace-Holy-Grail-Noiseless-Pickup-3-Pack-305413-i1167958.gc in it, or would it be a waste?
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: antigoon on October 21, 2009, 03:02:11 PM
If the guitar feels good to you, then give it a go. Those pickups will definitely make a big difference. If you don't like how it plays then it's not worth it.
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: brakkum on October 21, 2009, 03:32:16 PM
how do you know the pickups are getting shot?

As with any other instrument or brand there are definitely instruments that stand out against the others and for some reason are just amazing, I have an 80s Epiphone strat which has been modded to hell, but plays and sounds great.
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: 73109 on October 21, 2009, 03:36:40 PM
I plug in and half the time they sound, the other half, they don't. Plus, it would be cool to get some of those noiseless p'ups in them. Perfect for late 60's0-80's blues rock.
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: Fuzzboy on October 21, 2009, 05:46:47 PM
It could just be faulty wiring and not so much the pickups.
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: Sigz on October 21, 2009, 07:13:53 PM
It could just be faulty wiring and not so much the pickups.

This. In my experience at least, the electronics in Squiers are complete shit.
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: 73109 on October 21, 2009, 07:14:54 PM
Then its not worth it..I just gotta use my Jackson for everything...no biggie.
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: brakkum on October 21, 2009, 07:15:15 PM
It could just be faulty wiring and not so much the pickups.

This is more than likely exactly what it is. My Gibson SG had this going on, and if i toggled the pickup switch a couple time it would go away. Never fixed it, because it seemed to fix itself for the time being.
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: brakkum on October 21, 2009, 07:15:43 PM
wait... not worth it? huh? its like the easiest fix on a guitar.
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: Sigz on October 21, 2009, 07:16:07 PM
wait... not worth it? huh? its like the easiest fix on a guitar.

Yeah wtf?
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: 73109 on October 21, 2009, 07:17:09 PM
Plus the p'ups and all that just to get a tone that I really like but the thing is, I'll never play it. Because the second I block the floyd on my Jackson, I'll tune it down stupid low and do some crazy shit and that is all I'm gonna dig.
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: Sigz on October 21, 2009, 07:20:06 PM
...

alrighty then
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: 73109 on October 21, 2009, 07:23:12 PM
Is there anything more epicly metal then a crunchy riff at like Drop A.
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: Fuzzboy on October 21, 2009, 07:34:38 PM
Is there anything more epicly metal then a crunchy riff at like Drop A.

Yes. Drop G. But I've always found that it's really hard to write music in that tuning.
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: 73109 on October 21, 2009, 07:36:39 PM
How about E...6 STEPS DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: Sigz on October 21, 2009, 07:38:31 PM
Is there anything more epicly metal then a crunchy riff at like Drop A.

An actual good riff in E standard.
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: 73109 on October 21, 2009, 07:39:48 PM
But then take that riff...drop it and you got something even more epic :2metal:
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: Fuzzboy on October 21, 2009, 07:41:44 PM
Is there anything more epicly metal then a crunchy riff at like Drop A.

An actual good riff in E standard.

True.
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: Fuzzboy on October 21, 2009, 07:42:15 PM
How about E...6 STEPS DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Porcupine Tree - Circle of Manias
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: 73109 on October 21, 2009, 07:43:21 PM
I have no problem with E, but it just seems to always have something missing...if the slight change to Eb makes things much heavier!
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: Sigz on October 21, 2009, 07:46:05 PM
I don't know, at least to me tuning has little to do with how heavy something is. Shit, look at Opeth - virtually all of their stuff (except the entirety of GR) is in E-standard, and it's heavy as fuck.
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: 73109 on October 21, 2009, 07:47:10 PM
A lot of it is the amp...but tuning down always helps.
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: Gwii on October 21, 2009, 07:47:44 PM
Dimmu Borgir plays in E standard, and they are in the dictionary next to the words epic and heavy
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: Fuzzboy on October 21, 2009, 07:48:56 PM
A lot of it is the amp...but tuning down always helps.

No, heaviness relies completely on whether it's a good riff or not.
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: 73109 on October 21, 2009, 07:50:14 PM
How about E...6 STEPS DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Porcupine Tree - Circle of Manias

There is no music for the first 6 minutes so far

(https://www.memedepot.com/uploads/0/406_what_the_fark_is_this.jpg)
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: 73109 on October 21, 2009, 07:52:00 PM
Hey dudes...ready for the fail of the year...My headphones were not in!!! :lolpalm:
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: Sigz on October 21, 2009, 07:52:10 PM
A lot of it is the amp...but tuning down always helps.

You're putting far too much emphasis on tuning and equipment and not on good songwriting. In the end, everything comes down to what notes you're actually playing - everything else is secondary. There's a video somewhere on youtube of this guy doing an acoustic version of Blackwater Park by Opeth, and it's still evil as hell because the riffs are good.

How about E...6 STEPS DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Porcupine Tree - Circle of Manias

There is no music for the first 6 minutes so far

...

Circle of Manias is 2 minutes long, so I have no idea what the fuck you're listening to.
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: Fuzzboy on October 21, 2009, 07:53:20 PM
How about E...6 STEPS DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Porcupine Tree - Circle of Manias

There is no music for the first 6 minutes so far

[img]https://www.memedepot.com/uploads/0/406_what_the_fark_is_this.jpg[


What?

Here's the vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAhahAR9qaQ

It's at 7:43
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: 73109 on October 21, 2009, 07:55:09 PM
OK, the riff is the most important and the tuning and the amp is also very important...Think about this...The riff for Man in the Box (which I personally believe is one of the best and most simple riffs fall time) is stupid heavy...now tune the guitar to C...It is the same riff, but it went from 95% heavy to 195% heavy...
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: Sigz on October 21, 2009, 07:56:09 PM
(https://wsilva.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/jesus-facepalm.jpg)
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: Gwii on October 21, 2009, 07:57:28 PM
(https://listicles.thelmagazine.com/wp-content/upload/ironhide_facepalm.jpg)
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: 73109 on October 21, 2009, 07:59:08 PM
Ok, stop with the face palming...why does CC tune down?
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: Fuzzboy on October 21, 2009, 07:59:23 PM
OK, the riff is the most important and the tuning and the amp is also very important...Think about this...The riff for Man in the Box (which I personally believe is one of the best and most simple riffs fall time) is stupid heavy...now tune the guitar to C...It is the same riff, but it went from 95% heavy to 195% heavy...

I totally disagree. I think playing that riff in C would make it sound woofy and just another dime a dozen low-tuned guitar riff.

and

(https://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn115/sydanyo/1242180339343.png)
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: 73109 on October 21, 2009, 08:01:17 PM
OK. I fail, stop it goddammit!
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: Gwii on October 21, 2009, 08:03:16 PM
found this and had to use it

(https://negativegamer.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/facepalm.jpg)
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: Sigz on October 21, 2009, 08:04:57 PM
Ok, you're clearly not getting what we're saying. Tuning down, a good amp/guitar etc, all of these things can help to make something sound better in the right context, but they can only make something that's good sound better. Using them like "OMGZORZ DROP-A = INSTANT METAL  :metal :metal :metal :metal" is not the way to approach songwriting. Focus on writing something that can sound good regardless of what it's being played on, then worry about what effects to use, what tuning, instruments, etc.


Oh, and:
 (https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_M0cuxJsSjdU/Rwvbn7UorfI/AAAAAAAABQM/zRp7JUAnnQU/s400/polar-bear-face-palm_thumbnail.jpg)
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: 73109 on October 21, 2009, 08:06:58 PM
Thank you sigz

That is what I have been saying. I do not go in thinking that is = insta metal but if the riff is good, an awesome amp and tuning down could possibly make it better. And writing shit is weird. i don't know what I am writing therefore I can never right a verse.
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: Sigz on October 21, 2009, 08:10:00 PM
And writing shit is weird. i don't know what I am writing therefore I can never right a verse.

???
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: Fuzzboy on October 21, 2009, 08:12:49 PM
And writing shit is weird. i don't know what I am writing therefore I can never right a verse.

???
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: Gwii on October 21, 2009, 08:13:34 PM
And writing shit is weird. i don't know what I am writing therefore I can never right a verse.

???
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: 73109 on October 21, 2009, 08:13:52 PM
I can write intro's, bridges, outro's, sorta kinda solo's, but I can't ever write shit where there is a singer because I just don't know what it would sound like...do I play notes, power chords, chords...I kinda just get a block when it comes to verses.

Also, if I am writing a metal tune...which type of metal am I writing...if it death, then I should play all power chords, but then I don't like it, if it just normal heavy metal, I can't play power chord cause it doesn't sound right over a singer...I just get mind fucked when trying to right shit like verses...I know its weird.
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: Gwii on October 21, 2009, 08:14:50 PM
don't think so much and just play.


the other guitarist in my old band had the same problem.
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: 73109 on October 21, 2009, 08:15:34 PM
Really, I thought it was just a fucked block with me...what was he like? What did he say and do and shit like that?
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: Sigz on October 21, 2009, 08:19:05 PM
don't think so much and just play.

Pretty much this.

When I first started writing music I constantly had expectations of what I should be writing - prog, metal, etc. And I soon found myself turning to cliches to try to fall into that category - throwing in odd time signatures that contributed nothing to the song, drop tuning to be 'metal', etc.

I'm past that now, and far happier with what I've been writing, even though it's nothing like I would have expected it to be when I first started. But now I feel like I'm actually expressing myself/being creative, rather than trying to mimic some other band. Don't worry about what kind of music you're writing, just write. I think you'll find yourself much more satisfied with the result.
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: Gwii on October 21, 2009, 08:20:00 PM
Well he knew next to nothing about theory (I'm not sure where you are at with theory), but he didn't know notes, keys, scales, etc.  He could write intro riffs well, but he could never write a verse.  I tried to help him so many times but I never could get through to him.

Theory is important if you don't know it.  You don't need to know everything about it, but know the basics.

Take a look at some of the metal bands you like and examine the structure of their verse riffs.

And remember that once vocals are placed over a riff, it will usually sound a lot better.  Don't worry about the vox beforehand though.  In my old band, we (and by we I mean me) wrote all the music first (we were a progressive/technical death metal band).
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: Fuzzboy on October 21, 2009, 08:21:42 PM
Really, I thought it was just a fucked block with me...what was he like? What did he say and do and shit like that?

"Writer's block" happens quite a bit to me. Don't force it. Not even a little bit, because if you do, when you listen back to what you wrote, you'll be disappointed. I just stop writing when I run out of ideas.

I remember when I was writing a song, I had everything but the outro. I left it alone for about 3 weeks and I let those ideas build up, and I've been happy with the finished product ever since.
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: Sigz on October 21, 2009, 08:21:48 PM
In my old band, we (and by we I mean me) wrote all the music first (we were a progressive/technical death metal band).

The Dagger Rebellion right? Are you guys not together anymore?
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: 73109 on October 21, 2009, 08:23:06 PM
don't think so much and just play.

Pretty much this.

When I first started writing music I constantly had expectations of what I should be writing - prog, metal, etc. And I soon found myself turning to cliches to try to fall into that category - throwing in odd time signatures that contributed nothing to the song, drop tuning to be 'metal', etc.

I'm past that now, and far happier with what I've been writing, even though it's nothing like I would have expected it to be when I first started. But now I feel like I'm actually expressing myself/being creative, rather than trying to mimic some other band. Don't worry about what kind of music you're writing, just write. I think you'll find yourself much more satisfied with the result.

I am not trying to write anything...I kinda just sit there a noodle and I start playing shit and I am like, "Wow! This would be a cool intro," and I would fiddle with that for a couple minutes and then come to a point where I will think to myself, "Fuck! I would need a singer here...what to do...what to do" I like to play a lot of shit...Hell this morning I was trying to play Take It On The Run (really easy by the way) while listening to Slayer...it's definitely not the what to write, but the how.
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: 73109 on October 21, 2009, 08:25:13 PM
Well he knew next to nothing about theory (I'm not sure where you are at with theory), but he didn't know notes, keys, scales, etc.  He could write intro riffs well, but he could never write a verse.  I tried to help him so many times but I never could get through to him.

Theory is important if you don't know it.  You don't need to know everything about it, but know the basics.

Take a look at some of the metal bands you like and examine the structure of their verse riffs.

And remember that once vocals are placed over a riff, it will usually sound a lot better.  Don't worry about the vox beforehand though.  In my old band, we (and by we I mean me) wrote all the music first (we were a progressive/technical death metal band).

Double post I know. But with theory, I am learning...I am not really knowledgable yet, but I do have a bases in some stuff...


My guitar teacher is like Vai good in theory so he throws it in any chance he gets.
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: Gwii on October 21, 2009, 08:26:22 PM
In my old band, we (and by we I mean me) wrote all the music first (we were a progressive/technical death metal band).

The Dagger Rebellion right? Are you guys not together anymore?

Ha I'm surprised you remembered the name.

Nope, not together.  We spent over a year looking for a drummer that could play the stuff I wrote.  We found someone who was perfect, and after a month, he wasn't into it anymore.  So I got sick of it, and everyone else pretty much felt the same way.  It was pretty much 99% my music anyways, so I'm going to contine to record the song ideas I have left, then move on to a different style.  After three years of playing tech death, I kind of want to be in a non-metal band for awhile.  Playing the kind of music we were is exhausting.
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: Gwii on October 21, 2009, 08:27:49 PM
@73109

There's really no other advice besides keep at it and continue to learn theory as you go.  Your songwriting will get better with time.
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: 73109 on October 21, 2009, 08:31:13 PM
Also, my lack of verses is due to my lack of lyrics, which is due to my lack of creativity, so...yeah...I find it hard to match the mood of a song to non-existing words.
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: ReaperKK on October 21, 2009, 10:10:55 PM
Funny enough, I've been playing guitar for over 6 years now and my first guitar was a Squier strat, one of those starter packs. To this day it doesn't have the best tone but man the playability on the guitar is just unbelievable, I upgraded guitars almost immediately, and have had many over the years but I always go back to my Squier to practice. I set it up just the way I want it and it's great.

I think I'm going to mod it to set up like David Gilmour's strats are set up.
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: brakkum on October 21, 2009, 11:08:11 PM
wow. this thread turned into:
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Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: antigoon on October 22, 2009, 07:41:03 AM
Jeez, I know. And it started off so well.
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: chrisbDTM on October 22, 2009, 04:10:56 PM
my dad has a squier from the 80s and it feels just as good as a fender.
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: bosk1 on October 23, 2009, 07:38:07 AM
:therearenowords:
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: Ultimetalhead on October 24, 2009, 11:41:57 PM
Drop tuning is for people who can't write a heavy riff in E-Standard. Seriously, tuning has little to nothing to do with it. It's more to do with the key signature of the riff. I can play a D-Minor riff on an E-Standard guitar. Low E and F = Instant Demonic Heavy Riff.
Title: Re: Anybody know what period Squier was actually a decent sub. for Fender?
Post by: HamBungler on October 25, 2009, 12:07:22 PM
Drop tuning is for people who can't write a heavy riff in E-Standard. Seriously, tuning has little to nothing to do with it. It's more to do with the key signature of the riff. I can play a D-Minor riff on an E-Standard guitar. Low E and F = Instant Demonic Heavy Riff.

Not always. Alternate tunings are amazing, and drop tunings, if used correctly, can be used to open up different scale and riffing patterns and more accessible licks.  For example, using a tuning such as Open C major puts all the major scales into box patterns which make it really useful for shredding and tapping licks, as well as making more simple songwriting a breeze, and I'm in the camp that the easier it is to get the music out, the better and more natural sounding the end product's gonna be. However, it certainly makes it a bitch to do conventional sweeps, but if you've ever tried it out if you use some of the regular sweep shapes it makes for some weird dissonant sounding patterns that are simply tasty. With 7 strings its even more fun because you have the extra low G, plus 7 string sweeps are just ridiculous.