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General => Movies and TV => Topic started by: lonestar on November 03, 2023, 11:07:31 AM
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Omfg....
https://youtu.be/AFUKnherhuw?si=FGjNHAOXYCDNJ8SO (https://youtu.be/AFUKnherhuw?si=FGjNHAOXYCDNJ8SO)
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Ok...that looks freaking good. Some Daredevil vibes there :corn
Looking forward to it
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I was NOT expecting that much Kingpin, so hopefully they didn't just put in 90% of his appearances in this trailer and I hope he's a recurring lead or supporting cast member.
This actually looks hype, though I hope the all-at-once drop doesn't tank the show's popularity.
-Marc.
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Really hoping he ends up being the big baddie in it, as my kid said, he's by far the best MCU villain, it'd be a shame to waste him on cameos and small roles now that he's officially in. I think the only way he doesn't take a main role is if they're saving him to dominate the big DD series coming up.
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This looks f*cking fire 😳😳 WHAT. Was not expecting that or the tone. Can’t wait now. Should be interesting.
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So, something is bothering me, or I should say, intriguing me, since I saw the trailer earlier. Maybe I'm overthinking it, maybe I'm not.
are we going to get The Punisher in this show?
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Interesting. I haven't seen or heard anything about that. But since the "Daredevil universe" is somewhat merging with the MCU, it wouldn't surprise me.
I'm actually kind of surprised at how dark and gritty this one looks given how tonally lighthearted Hawkeye was. But I think it suits the character and the story they want to tell. It certainly looks more interesting than I was initially thinking it would be when it was announced that we would be getting this show.
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Same here. But the trailer caught my interest so looking forward to it.
Daredevil shows up for a split second in the trailer :corn
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So, something is bothering me, or I should say, intriguing me, since I saw the trailer earlier. Maybe I'm overthinking it, maybe I'm not.
are we going to get The Punisher in this show?
I read somewhere that The Punisher will be on the DD show, don't know about him being in this show
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Yeah, that seems to ring a bell. I think I heard that too.
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I read that it would be the first Marvel show rated TV-MA.
I believe it.
This looks good!
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Give it me. Give it me now.
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I read that it would be the first Marvel show rated TV-MA.
I believe it.
This looks good!
Well…the first in the canonical MCU, but not the first “Marvel show”
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The end of the trailer showed TV-MA. Not surprised. Seeing a dude get shot point blank like that in the trailer was pretty graphic for Marvel.
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Really enjoyed the trailer, was very surprised by the tone. I kind of didn't know what to expect from this show but that trailer was probably the last thing I did expect to see. I'm now really looking forward to checking this out now after watching that.
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Well, the trailer made this upcoming series look interesting, which is exactly what it was supposed to do. Other than that, it's too early to say. I can't say that the Echo character really intrigued me or anything, but Kingpin is always a good time, and I'm sure this will connect to the new Daredevil series somehow, so of course I'll check it out.
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This is by far the MCU project I have the least interest in. But the trailers seemed good.
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Well, the trailer made this upcoming series look interesting, which is exactly what it was supposed to do. Other than that, it's too early to say. I can't say that the Echo character really intrigued me or anything, but Kingpin is always a good time, and I'm sure this will connect to the new Daredevil series somehow, so of course I'll check it out.
Yup, all of that.
This is by far the MCU project I have the least interest in. But the trailers seemed good.
My kneejerk reaction was and still is along those lines as well. But honestly, I could have (and probably did) said similar things about a lot of Marvel properties through the years. Heaven knows the vast majority of people thought the announcement that Marvel would do a Guardians of the Galaxy movie was a MAJOR headscratcher and had ZERO interest in a movie with a talking space raccoon. So, given history, the fact that my kneejerk reaction is disinterest has me...interested. Of course, the pushback on that is Marvel's recent propensity to underwhelm, so there's that. I guess I'm in "wait and see" mode.
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Apparently, Echo is not going to be MCU canon and will be under a different header than regular Marvel. It will be Marvel Spotlight. Of course, like the story says, it is a tad confusing not being MCU when she was MCU.
https://deadline.com/2023/11/echo-marvel-spotlight-banner-1235593396/
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Apparently, Echo is not going to be MCU canon and will be under a different header than regular Marvel. It will be Marvel Spotlight. Of course, like the story says, it is a tad confusing not being MCU when she was MCU.
https://deadline.com/2023/11/echo-marvel-spotlight-banner-1235593396/
Didn't ser anywhere in the article that said it won't be canon. It just says it won't connect to the larger MCU plot or stories. It's a Spotlight series, meaning it'll have a strong focus on Echo and her character, and likely won't connect to other MCU properties like the previous MCU Disney+ Shows have - WandaVision led into DSITMOM and eventually the Agatha series; The Falcon & The Winter Soldier is a big set up for Thunderbolts and the next Cap film; Loki is a big anchor for the Multiverse Saga as a whole; Hawkeye set up Echo and probably will lead Yelena into the Thunderbolts as well.
TL;DR - Echo is canon, just not making a point to connect to larger MCU plots.
-Marc.
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Well, the trailer made this upcoming series look interesting, which is exactly what it was supposed to do. Other than that, it's too early to say. I can't say that the Echo character really intrigued me or anything, but Kingpin is always a good time, and I'm sure this will connect to the new Daredevil series somehow, so of course I'll check it out.
Yup, all of that.
This is by far the MCU project I have the least interest in. But the trailers seemed good.
My kneejerk reaction was and still is along those lines as well. But honestly, I could have (and probably did) said similar things about a lot of Marvel properties through the years. Heaven knows the vast majority of people thought the announcement that Marvel would do a Guardians of the Galaxy movie was a MAJOR headscratcher and had ZERO interest in a movie with a talking space raccoon. So, given history, the fact that my kneejerk reaction is disinterest has me...interested. Of course, the pushback on that is Marvel's recent propensity to underwhelm, so there's that. I guess I'm in "wait and see" mode.
I think most of us probably had that reaction to Wandavision, wondering what the heck they were doing, and they crushed that one.
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WandaVision was a different situation, though. Wanda and Vision were both well-established characters in the MCU, so a TV series that's something of a deep-dive into their relationship could be really cool. What threw a lot of people off was that the first three episodes were quite unconventional, and the original plan was to drop all three the first week and follow up the following week with Episode 4. Instead, a lot of people were wondering WTF was going on for three weeks. That's a long time in this current time of binge-the-whole-series. But you're right in that they nailed it, eventually.
Echo was a secondary character, a minor one at that, in a spinoff TV series about an unknown character with only a tenuous connection to an established MCU character. When I heard that they were making an Echo TV series, my first reaction was "What? Why her?" and I'm sure I wasn't the only one. Sure, this could turn out really good, but it's not like there's no reason to be cautiously optimistic at best.
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Five more days til all five episodes drop, and Marvel just put out a new trailer that seemingly seems to confirm that the Netflix shows, or at least Daredevil, is canon to the MCU.
https://youtu.be/g0f1o-KGWPM
-Marc.
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Oh, wow. I didn't realize it was dropping this soon. I hope it's decent.
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Aw yeah
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Oh, wow. I didn't realize it was dropping this soon. I hope it's decent.
I'm cautiously optimistic, but not holding my breath after my disappointment with Secret Invasion.
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Oh, wow. I didn't realize it was dropping this soon. I hope it's decent.
I'm cautiously optimistic, but not holding my breath after my disappointment with Secret Invasion.
Apples / Oranges. The thing about the MCU as a franchise is that between films or shows, there are different creative teams involved, although there is some crossover every now and then. Unless the thing that made SI awful came from the top down, I doubt whatever disappointed you about SI would have any bearing on ECHO. If anything, ECHO's connections to the Hawkeye and Daredevil series should alleviate any suspicions that this might turn out bad. If anything, it might be serviceably good at worst, and a sure-fire hit at best, but like you, I am still cautiously optimistic. I just think SI was an aberration compared to every other MCU D+ show so far. I'd take any of the three 2022 shows over it (especially She-Hulk, while not overly groundbreaking or enthralling, was at very least entertaining and also had some fun cameos, like Daredevil).
I think if *anything* hurts this show, it'll be the full-series drop/Netflix method of release. It'll garner about a week or two's worth of online chatter and probably be forgotten, unless there are some big revelations involved. I honestly prefer the weekly-release method that they've done since WandaVision, as it keeps the audience engaged over a period of time. It's not like the MCU is hurting for air-time this year, so they definitely could have spread this out over 4 or 5 weeks. It'll be interesting to learn, later on if it's revealed, why they decided to put this out all at once. My initial thoughts were that they didn't think it was good enough to keep audiences engaged over the course of a month, and figured if they got it out all once, watch times would be greater, but who knows.
Either way I am excited to see something relatively fresh from the MCU. Maybe if I'm bored or have the time to, I may rewatch Hawkeye this weekend as a refresher for Echo herself.
-Marc.
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:lol Was there more Kingpin than Echo in the Echo trailer? Sure seemed like it.
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:lol Was there more Kingpin than Echo in the Echo trailer? Sure seemed like it.
Yeah, there definitely was. But I don't have a problem with that. In fact, it makes sense. First off, they know where their bread is buttered, and Kingpin is a huge draw. Echo is still relatively unknown, less developed, and doesn't have nearly the following. Attracting the audience with a character they would be drawn to is just good marketing. Second, given that Maya is mute, I think it would be hard to make a trailer work that more heavily featured her front and center. It just works better logistically and dramatically to have Kingpin doing so much narrating.
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Hey, I like Vincent D'Onofrio's Kingpin, but it just seemed weird that he featured so prominently. And a lot of it was stuff we already saw in Daredevil.
They might as well come right out and say "Kingpin is Back! (and we mention that because most of you don't know who the f*ck Echo is)"
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Hey, I like Vincent D'Onofrio's Kingpin, but it just seemed weird that he featured so prominently. And a lot of it was stuff we already saw in Daredevil.
They might as well come right out and say "Kingpin is Back! (and we mention that because most of you don't know who the f*ck Echo is)"
I think that's the point, it feels like this series will be what finally canonizes the events of the Daredevil show to the main MCU, or at least the main events of their backstories as presented in the Netflix show
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I guess. I kinda thought that when Matt Murdoch showed up in Spider-man, and Kingpin was in the Hawkeye TV show, that that made it official. But maybe not "officially official canon". Who knows?
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I guess. I kinda thought that when Matt Murdoch showed up in Spider-man, and Kingpin was in the Hawkeye TV show, that that made it official. But maybe not "officially official canon". Who knows?
They had *initially* stated point blank that this was going to be its own thing separate from Netflix, but they appear to be waffling on that stance.
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Saw the trailer. I think I might watch this. Liked what I saw of Daredevil and really liked She-Hulk and Hawkeye.
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I guess. I kinda thought that when Matt Murdoch showed up in Spider-man, and Kingpin was in the Hawkeye TV show, that that made it official. But maybe not "officially official canon". Who knows?
They had *initially* stated point blank that this was going to be its own thing separate from Netflix, but they appear to be waffling on that stance.
I remember some "controversy" when Kingpin showed up in Hawkeye, how he looked different, people wondered if he was supposed to be the same Kingpin as in the Netflix Marvel shows, and finally they came out and said yes, it's the same guy. It all seemed kinda dumb to me. If it's the same character, and it's all Marvel, then clearly they're tying it together, which opens the door for Daredevil, Punisher, Jessica, and Iron Fist as well. If it's not the same character, why cast the same actor? It seemed like they were inviting the hoopla to stir up interest.
Somehow I forgot that Matt Murdoch/Daredevil was in She-Hulk, yet another crossover between Netflix Marvel and the MCU. I think I read somewhere that MCU is waffling because they don't want to just adopt all the Netflix Marvel characters and actors into the MCU. They'd like to pick and choose which ones to keep, possibly to recast some of them.
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Well, they were taking on the actors because they were immensely popular. But they were initially saying that the stories from Netflix were not canon. This new announcement would appear to reverse that stance.
Probably has to do with the fact that D+ acquired the rights from Netflix. And I think the actors were under a no competition clause which has since expired. But don’t quote me on that one.
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Cool new poster for this show...
(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/417474886_771297518360449_3768855304189666735_n.jpg?stp=cp6_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=dd5e9f&_nc_ohc=U3G_rdH9IsIAX9ijTIA&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=00_AfA1i5dURdH8IFyA9R97f5cAsij0xQNhExtM5UQ671ZsYw&oe=659E0FB5)
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Nice!
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I just saw a Facebook ad for this show.
“Kingpin Returns” is a direct quote. So ya, it kinda feels like Echo is a secondary character on her own show.
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So I think some of this might be overthought in this thread.
Best I can remember from various statements made by officials is that the actual Netflix shows themselves are not canon in Earth 616, but alternate earths, much like the Tobey and Andrew Spider-Man films.
However, 616 also has Kingpin and Murdoch (and likely others) who will be played by the same actors. While some will not. Like Kingpin's wife is already a different actress.
As far as these last few trailers, again, a bit overthought. Why is Kingpin mentioned a lot more than Maya? Well likely because 1) Everyone knows and loves Kingpin and he seems like he'll be a major character and unless you watched Hawkeye, you don't know Maya, so focusing on this is a better means of marketing and 2) because Maya does not speak verbally, and much of this stuff is voice over. So you obviously can't have her do any of that. Again, it's just marketing.
As to why the newest trailer has so much from the Netflix shows, I dunno. Could be 1) that 616 had a similar history but not identical to the Netflix shows and those are the same in both universes or 2) they just also wanted to advertise the arrival of the Netflix shows on Disney + and didn't really care about canon.
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Why is Kingpin mentioned a lot more than Maya? Well likely because 1) Everyone knows and loves Kingpin and he seems like he'll be a major character and unless you watched Hawkeye, you don't know Maya, so focusing on this is a better means of marketing and 2) because Maya does not speak verbally, and much of this stuff is voice over. So you obviously can't have her do any of that. Again, it's just marketing.
Pretty much what I said above. So it's a bit comforting to have really smart people agree with me. :)
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I guess. I kinda thought that when Matt Murdoch showed up in Spider-man, and Kingpin was in the Hawkeye TV show, that that made it official. But maybe not "officially official canon". Who knows?
They had *initially* stated point blank that this was going to be its own thing separate from Netflix, but they appear to be waffling on that stance.
Honestly, I think the biggest reason for that is that few people at Marvel had actually seen the damn shows.
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:caffeine:
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I hope my power doesn't go out so I can actually see it tonight lol
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I hope my power doesn't go out so I can actually see it tonight lol
Same! We've got a bit storm coming through my area this evening, so hopefully things will be okay enough that I can start it tonight!
-Marc.
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I'll try to catch the first episode tonight. It might be really hard not to binge watch lol
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I hope my power doesn't go out so I can actually see it tonight lol
Same! We've got a bit storm coming through my area this evening, so hopefully things will be okay enough that I can start it tonight!
-Marc.
Are you guys in Florida? I’m down here visiting family.
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I hope my power doesn't go out so I can actually see it tonight lol
Same! We've got a bit storm coming through my area this evening, so hopefully things will be okay enough that I can start it tonight!
-Marc.
Are you guys in Florida? I’m down here visiting family.
Where in FL?
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Was all excited to watch it when I got home tonight to realize it didn't drop till 6pm.
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I hope my power doesn't go out so I can actually see it tonight lol
Same! We've got a bit storm coming through my area this evening, so hopefully things will be okay enough that I can start it tonight!
-Marc.
Are you guys in Florida? I’m down here visiting family.
Where in FL?
Daytona Beach
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Let's goooooooo!!!!!
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Really digging it so far.
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Well that has to be a Top 5 Disney+ Marvel series. The action was intense and well done, with some smart choices in the audio mix to reflect Maya. The way the show turned its title to give new meaning was ingenious, and I loved the strength of Maya's familial connections. The show is just oozing with history and world-building that is respectful and insightful, much like how Ms. Marvel had with her culture in that show.
Of course, Kingpin plays a large part of the show, and he's as impressive as ever. Every scene with him and Maya had me on edge wondering how things will unfold between them. This has me even MORE excited for Daredevil: Born Again. Marvel Studios would miss out if they don't keep D'Onofrio around for a long time.
As for how the series ends, I won't spoil anything but I hope we get to see more of these characters in some way. Also there IS a credits scene that has some intriguing set-up that has me very excited for what it might mean in the future!
-Marc.
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Yeah, that was quite outstanding on all fronts. I'll have to watch it again on the upcoming long weekend, but I really, really enjoyed it.
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Just watched the whole thing tonight and can confirm, it was excellent. Loved all the history and love letter to the Choctaw people. The Echo logic was also well done.
As for the post credits scene, I feel that is leading into Daredevil.
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As for the post credits scene, I feel that is leading into Daredevil.
Absolutely.
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We've only had time for the first 2 episodes thus far, but very satisfied.
That intro to episode 1 was metal AF
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I really enjoyed the five episodes. I've missed the dark, gritty tone of the Netflix shows. Loved the cultural tie-ins with the native american tribe and Maya's ancestry.
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Top notch technical aspects (cinematography, great fighting scenes editing, costumes and music) and really interesting and lovely cultural exploration. Those aspects I definitely love. Alas, there's no focking rhyme or reason to the plot. This could have been a pretty great 100 minutes movie with compelling characters and original points of view, but it had to become a 5 episodes exercise in artificial exstension of conflict milking.
I am very sorry, because I was raised by Marvel comics and I want to love these products but I find it harder and harder to delude myself.
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Watched the first episode. What was that? I don't get it? It was just rehashed and cobbled together fodder - bits of Hawkeye, Kingpin gets shot - again (ie we see it happen again), Daredevil pops in etc. Was any of this necessary? Felt like a waste of an episode and there are only 5. These Marvel shows feel so obligated to do this 'heavy lifting' to build an audience that actual storytelling and character development is out the window. I'm out, just too many other good things to watch.
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Saw the first two episodes. Enjoyable.
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Watched 4 eps on Fri and last one today. Quite enjoyed it. Alaqua has good hero charisma.
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Saw the first two episodes. Enjoyable.
Me too. It's a great storyline.
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I got delayed earlier in the week by some other obligations, so I just finally watched the first episode last night. REALLY great storytelling and character development. I'm really enjoying this. This feels like what the MCU did so well during most of the first three phases where they did a fantastic job of taking obscure, lesser known characters and building them up into something really really cool.
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Yea. Finally caught the first episode.
Really dug it a lot. Hoping it stays as good.
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Yea. Finally caught the first episode.
Really dug it a lot. Hoping it stays as good.
I actually felt it only got stronger once the series left the character development/backstory part and dug it's teeth into the actual story. And the action sequences are top notch.
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I hope they don’t actually drop character development. That’s mostly what I’m here for.
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Watched the first episode. What was that? I don't get it? It was just rehashed and cobbled together fodder - bits of Hawkeye, Kingpin gets shot - again (ie we see it happen again), Daredevil pops in etc. Was any of this necessary? Felt like a waste of an episode and there are only 5. These Marvel shows feel so obligated to do this 'heavy lifting' to build an audience that actual storytelling and character development is out the window. I'm out, just too many other good things to watch.
??? ???
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Second episode was also great.
Interesting that they’re giving her….gifts….or something. Curious how they explain that one.
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Second episode was also great.
Interesting that they’re giving her….gifts….or something. Curious how they explain that one.
I’m only 2 episodes in and I thought it was obvious. Her ancestors are “watching over her” (I hate that crap…but it’s a minor gripe)
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Second episode was also great.
Interesting that they’re giving her….gifts….or something. Curious how they explain that one.
I’m only 2 episodes in and I thought it was obvious. Her ancestors are “watching over her” (I hate that crap…but it’s a minor gripe)
I mean, I guess? But Marvel has been pretty good at avoiding stuff like that. Even in What If, they got their power from the tesseract. Why would ancestors only watch over her? A criminal trying to murder a bunch of people and give her powers? It's just a bit weak if ALL it is, is her ancesters are watching over her. I get that that's how she's going to see it from the beginning, but I'll be pretty disappointed if that's all it is.
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Second episode was also great.
Interesting that they’re giving her….gifts….or something. Curious how they explain that one.
I’m only 2 episodes in and I thought it was obvious. Her ancestors are “watching over her” (I hate that crap…but it’s a minor gripe)
I mean, I guess? But Marvel has been pretty good at avoiding stuff like that. Even in What If, they got their power from the tesseract. Why would ancestors only watch over her? A criminal trying to murder a bunch of people and give her powers? It's just a bit weak if ALL it is, is her ancesters are watching over her. I get that that's how she's going to see it from the beginning, but I'll be pretty disappointed if that's all it is.
I'm only through ep. 2 as well, so this is all guesses and not spoilers, but here's my take so far:
-I kind of get the sense that her ancestors weren't all pure and had a dark streak as well. I have nothing concrete to definitively base that on, but just little hints of things in those flashback scenes that make me go "Hmmm." So them choosing her, despite her dark path, might not actually be incongruent.
-As for "why her?" specifically, I think maybe there are some hints there as well. Judging from things the grandma has said, I think there is something "special" about her family, and maybe the ancestors choose to reveal themselves to certain people in that specific family, so Maya would not be unique in that regard. And with Fisk having his hands in the tribal dealings in that town in Oklahoma, maybe the angle they are going for is that Fisk and his organization are corrupting the tribe, and Maya, with her personal feud with Fisk is perfect (from the ancestors' point of view) to be the liberator that ends that.
A couple of other stray thoughts so far:
-As much as I want to get through this series, I'm kind of glad that circumstances have made it too hard to just binge it, and that I am being forced to take my time digesting it.
-That train sequence was SO dark. I literally could not tell what was going on at all at first and had to crank of the contrast on my tv and go back and watch it again.
-I like the pacing. Given that there are only 5 episodes, it's slightly anxiety inducing at times to see the show taking its time and not moving more directly toward an obvious resolution. But ignoring that we only have three episodes left, and giving the writers the benefit of the doubt that they know what they are doing and won't rush the ending, the pacing actually feels good. Not too fast; not too slow. There were times during the first part of episode 1 where they were leaning heavily on flashbacks from Daredevil and Hawkeye where I found myself getting a little restless, given how long that was. But I get what they were going for with the Marvel Spotlight stuff trying to NOT rely on folks having seen everything that came before in order to be able to keep up, and I think it actually worked quite well. I have no idea whether there actually are a significant number of fans watching this who didn't watch all of Hawkeye AND all of Daredevil that needed to be spoon fed the background, but I think how it was done would have worked well for that segment. For those that do have the background, there was sufficient new material to still make it interesting and engaging, and to tie it all together into a meaningful background for Maya. Overall, I thought it was a pretty good way of laying a lot of background for the character and why the particular story of this series is being told. So even that part where, in the moment, the pacing may have felt a bit slow and felt like they were doing a bit too much background was actually really good in the grand scheme of things.
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Non-spoiler comments:
I really enjoyed it. I didn't think I would. But it was really well done. My wife, who is a Native American, was very impressed at the lengths gone to make sure certain things were in fact, historically correct.
I'm not sure I would be okay with Echo continuing as a series. But this is used as an introduction of sorts for her appearing in various MCU programming (such as the upcoming Daredevil continuation), I think it's a resounding success.
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Just finished. Brilliant show. I’m really glad they didn’t water down Kingpin. And ended up giving even more subtle nods to the Netflix storyline, thus acknowledging its canonicity. Just a great show.
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Four episodes in and I am loving this show.
If future Marvel Spotlight shows are of similar quality, then more please!
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Four episodes in and I am loving this show.
If future Marvel Spotlight shows are of similar quality, then more please!
Amen to this. So we'll done.
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Show was perfect. I loved it.
I like how they used flashbacks to the Netflix and D+ shows.
Side note: Something my wife noticed was how ALL What If second season episodes and Echo are lead by women.
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I’d say half of What If season two is led by women.
Many episodes costar women but Happy saving Christmas, Iron Man crashing into that planet, Peter quill attacking earth are all led by men.
Huh. So maybe more than half. But still.
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Side note: Something my wife noticed was how ALL What If second season episodes and Echo are lead by women.
Bit of a stretch for What If season 2 - but certainly all episodes had women among the lead characters.
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Oh. And the Mervels all lead characters performed by Women, even the bad guy.
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Just finished.
Last episode could’ve really been 10-15 min longer to fill in some holes. But otherwise fantastic show. Easily one of my fav MCU shows thus far (not counting the Netflix shows). Weird that it was kind of talked about as their biggest screw up before it came out.
I’d love more like this. No 50 jokes a minute, no convoluted plot involving getting a thing before someone else gets a thing or something. Just great character development that guides the story naturally.
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Just finished.
Last episode could’ve really been 10-15 min longer to fill in some holes. But otherwise fantastic show. Easily one of my fav MCU shows thus far (not counting the Netflix shows). Weird that it was kind of talked about as their biggest screw up before it came out.
I’d love more like this. No 50 jokes a minute, no convoluted plot involving getting a thing before someone else gets a thing or something. Just great character development that guides the story naturally.
I think the MCU reached a point that no matter what they do, there will be a portion of viewers who will say "it's the worst they've done". Look at "The Marvels", no where near the mess it was made out to be.
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Just finished ep. 4. One to go. This was a REALLY good episode. The drama and character development were off the charts. In fact, thinking back, was there ANY action at all in this episode? I think it was ALL character driven, and done really well.
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Just finished.
Last episode could’ve really been 10-15 min longer to fill in some holes. But otherwise fantastic show. Easily one of my fav MCU shows thus far (not counting the Netflix shows). Weird that it was kind of talked about as their biggest screw up before it came out.
I’d love more like this. No 50 jokes a minute, no convoluted plot involving getting a thing before someone else gets a thing or something. Just great character development that guides the story naturally.
I think the MCU reached a point that no matter what they do, there will be a portion of viewers who will say "it's the worst they've done". Look at "The Marvels", no where near the mess it was made out to be.
Very true. But this was in the many months before release. So no one had seen it. It was just rumors about how Marvel was super disappointed in it and was trying to get it out quickly cause they didn't have faith in it.
I have to say, if Echo is what the top brass at Marvel think is bad, and Loki season 2 and such is what they think is amazing, I'm a bit worried.
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Just finished.
Last episode could’ve really been 10-15 min longer to fill in some holes. But otherwise fantastic show. Easily one of my fav MCU shows thus far (not counting the Netflix shows). Weird that it was kind of talked about as their biggest screw up before it came out.
I’d love more like this. No 50 jokes a minute, no convoluted plot involving getting a thing before someone else gets a thing or something. Just great character development that guides the story naturally.
I think the MCU reached a point that no matter what they do, there will be a portion of viewers who will say "it's the worst they've done". Look at "The Marvels", no where near the mess it was made out to be.
Very true. But this was in the many months before release. So no one had seen it. It was just rumors about how Marvel was super disappointed in it and was trying to get it out quickly cause they didn't have faith in it.
I have to say, if Echo is what the top brass at Marvel think is bad, and Loki season 2 and such is what they think is amazing, I'm a bit worried.
I think a lot of that rumor-mongering was crap. If they thought it was THAT bad, it never would have seen the light of day. They would have 86'd it for a write-off, like DC did with Batgirl, or reworked it like they are currently doing with Daredevil: Born Again.
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Thought it was merely OK. Final episode really hurt it though.
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That was fine I guess. Some good moments but overall pretty forgettable.
You know what really bugs me in these types of movies? When a group of thugs with guns get beat up one at a time hand to hand by a single person. Why do they always inexplicably forget to use their guns? Why don't they all jump on her at the same time instead of standing there waiting their turn to get their ass kicked? I could do with there never being a scene like that ever again, especially in an MCU film/series.