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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: PetFish on March 02, 2023, 04:35:37 PM
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Really cool. Nuno's solo sounds like it's fresh from 1991 which makes sense since he traveled to the future, our present, from that time period. There's no other explanation for how he looks the same.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ_AOIbj8AA
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I was pleasantly surprised when I watched this. I enjoyed it way more than I thought I would. I like the song and Nuno's solo is awesome. Really love the fact it is just bass and drums underneath and then those backing vox come in. Very cool.
Now, I am really looking forward to this album.
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:metal :metal :metal
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Well, that came out of nowhere. They've been talking about the followup to the Suadades album since it came out in 2009, I remember them teasing a quick turnaround since they had so much material. Then Nuno's gig with Rihanna happened and that kinda changed things I guess. I was getting to a point where I figured there wouldn't be an album, especially when they did some touring sporadically and still no new music. I'm curious how long this material has been around.
The song is OK, production is really muddy but that was true for the last album as well. It has a little bit more bite than the last album which I appreciate. Nuno shreds as always. I'll check out the album, but I think the ship sailed on my hype for the album (and this band in general) about a decade ago. Cool to see them finally putting some stuff out though!
At one point Extreme was probably in my top three bands, I also really enjoyed Nuno's solo material and wish he did more Dramagods stuff (that first album is up there with the best of Extreme).
Edit: Nuno's solo is wild. His playing is still top tier.
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WOW, that song is good! As happened in 2009, these guys may again go from a band I barely listen to to being in album of the year contention if the rest of the album is like this.
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Although it's obviously designed to be an "anthemic" chorus etc.....that's pretty damn rocking for a first single. I listen to very little music of any description lately but had to check this out and I think they've done a great job of balancing the present and past. I heard someone say the vocal melodies strongly resemble some Stone Temple Pilots song but I wouldn't know.
I also read an interview recently where Nuno said he wants to inject some fire back into rock guitar as a tribute to EVH and if this song is any indication , I am looking forward to seeing what he's doing on the album. Even the tone he has sounds like III Sides era......he is a crazy good guitarist and yeah - looks like he hasn't aged in 20 years.
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I lasted a minute and then jumped to the solo which was great. The chorus....was he yodeling?
If this is their version of hard rock, they should just go back to funk.
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I lasted a minute and then jumped to the solo which was great. The chorus....was he yodeling?
If this is their version of hard rock, they should just go back to funk.
IDK Tim. It sounds like Extreme to me.
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I lasted a minute and then jumped to the solo which was great. The chorus....was he yodeling?
If this is their version of hard rock, they should just go back to funk.
IDK Tim. It sounds like Extreme to me.
Yeah, bland.
Which I attribute mainly to Cherone.
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You never been a Cherone fan?
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You never been a Cherone fan?
No. I realize he's talented, but his voice just comes off as vanilla to me. That's not a shot. He seems like a cool guy.
Did you know he's playing with Joe Perry next month?
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I do. So is David Hull as well.
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I do. So is David Hull as well.
My buddy. ;D
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I thought the song was pretty good, but I had to double check to be sure Cherone was still in the band. It only sort of sounded like him to me.
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I'm with TAC on Cherone, Nuno is a better singer IMO.
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Never been a huge Cherone fan but am a huge Nuno fan. I can tolerate Cherone though and don't have any issues with his vocals on this new track.
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That chorus... is pretty bad. Cherone reminds me a bit of Scott Weiland here. Nuno is good, as expected, but I was hoping for more. We'll see what's next!
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I'm with TAC on Cherone, Nuno is a better singer IMO.
I always thought that Nuno is a great complementary singer, in combination with others he's really good, as a solo singer he's not bad but he lacks something.
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I wasn't all that crazy about the song itself, but the solo is cool, and I'm glad they are putting out music again.
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Think this is a great modernization of the old Extreme, maybe less is more on this occasion but yeah good rocker \m/
Count me in a fan of Cherone's vocals (although do prefer to just listen, can sometimes be a struggle to watch :lol) but agree he really does sound different here, in the background? Maybe it's that less is more thing for this one?
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Beach Boys harmonies?
https://twitter.com/ExtremeBand/status/1630583579238383622
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LOVE the new song. Already better than their last album. :metal
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LOVE the new song. Already better than their last album. :metal
This.
Saudedes (however you spell it) was a bit of a let down to me. I loved "Star" as the initial single, but the record ultimately fell flat and was a tad overlong. There's a solid EP in there somewhere, but I rarely revisit the record as a whole.
The problem, for me at least, is that everything Extreme does instantly makes me want to listen to Three Sides, an album I hold in VERY high regard.
I, II, and even Punchline are all good albums in their own right, but the band's highwater mark is so much higher than the rest of their catalog, it almost feels like a crime.
That all said, I'm excited to hear this new album and can't wait to do my annual run-through of their catalog.
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LOVE the new song. Already better than their last album. :metal
This.
Saudedes (however you spell it) was a bit of a let down to me. I loved "Star" as the initial single, but the record ultimately fell flat and was a tad overlong. There's a solid EP in there somewhere, but I rarely revisit the record as a whole.
The problem, for me at least, is that everything Extreme does instantly makes me want to listen to Three Sides, an album I hold in VERY high regard.
I, II, and even Punchline are all good albums in their own right, but the band's highwater mark is so much higher than the rest of their catalog, it almost feels like a crime.
That all said, I'm excited to hear this new album and can't wait to do my annual run-through of their catalog.
Yeah III is just such an amazing album. Was listening to Stop The World last night and just appreciating how crisp it sounded, with those big vocal harmonies on top. Nothing else they’ve done really reaches those heights. Oddly, I was just discussing III on another forum with a guy who claimed it was their weakest effort. Everyone sees things their own way I guess.
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I liked it didnt love it
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III Sides is just pure gold. Such a brilliant record, lost in the shadow of changing musical times in 1993. I love the fact the band makes it a point to represent it though. When I saw them last fall, they played three songs from it in their 10-song set. So that's decent representation. When I saw them the time before that, it was three songs in their 18-song set (San Fran 2008). So while the same amount, there was a bigger focus on it this time.
Regarding SdR, I like "Comfortably Dumb." "Star" was okay. WM nailed it - there's a solid SdR EP in there. But an album...not so much. I have high hopes that Six will be a great rebound.
As for Punchline, I think that record is very, very underrated. No, it's not III Sides or Pornograffitti. But I really dig it.
Happy Extreme is doing this new record and going to tour. I was fortunate to see them do that brief set opening for Cheap Trick in Fall 2022, but it was 14 years prior to that I saw them last. Way too damn long.
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I saw them in the day (on the III Sides tour) and I've seen them I think three times in the latter formation (including headlining Mohegan on the Pornograffitt 25 tour, and recently opening for Aerosmith at Fenway). They're solid. I've sort of given up that we'll get an Extreme II or III again (I think II is almost as good as III) but I'll go see them in a heartbeat. They still sound like they're 25.
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New song wasn't that good. The verses are good but pretty standard hard rock fare, the prechorus is lame, the chorus itself a big letdown. (Rise you oh uh oh uh oh uhup, really?)
And the solo? It's okay I guess. We all know Nuno can play fast, but what else is there?
Maybe that song will grow on me but I'm seriously hoping that the rest of that record will be much much better.
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Punchline is up there as well I think, although it was a bit of a departure. The problem with Extreme IMO is not just that they churned out their magnum opus (III Sides) at a time when that sort of album was exactly what the general public didn't want, but also I think they got unfairly lumped in with the glam metal scene that had become very unfashionable. I hear less Poison/Motley Crue in Extreme and more Queen, Beatles, and other more conceptual rock bands from the 70s. I don't think their novelty was appreciated very much at the time and probably never will be.
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Punchline is up there as well I think, although it was a bit of a departure. The problem with Extreme IMO is not just that they churned out their magnum opus (III Sides) at a time when that sort of album was exactly what the general public didn't want, but also I think they got unfairly lumped in with the glam metal scene that had become very unfashionable. I hear less Poison/Motley Crue in Extreme and more Queen, Beatles, and other more conceptual rock bands from the 70s. I don't think their novelty was appreciated very much at the time and probably never will be.
One of the very few bands that I feel justified in saying they got screwed by their hit single. "More Than Words" forever painted them in a corner.
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Their first album is the only one I truly liked .. it had a fun but dry mix to it.. WIND ME UP :)
this new song sounds like a rip off of a Stone Temple Pilots song... especially the opening
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Their first album is the only one I truly liked .. it had a fun but dry mix to it.. WIND ME UP :)
this new song sounds like a rip off of a Stone Temple Pilots song... especially the opening
I read a review of the first album that called it "wildly uneven" and that's pretty accurate, IMO, but when it's on, it's ON. There's just a shade too much of the cringe-y Cherone on that record.
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is it just me? but I feel like this New Extreme is a few STP tunes combined and quickened ( not that thats a bad thing : )
57 second mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTWgyYkVWXE&ab_channel=StoneTemplePilots-Topic
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Their first album is the only one I truly liked .. it had a fun but dry mix to it.. WIND ME UP :)
this new song sounds like a rip off of a Stone Temple Pilots song... especially the opening
I read a review of the first album that called it "wildly uneven" and that's pretty accurate, IMO, but when it's on, it's ON. There's just a shade too much of the cringe-y Cherone on that record.
agreed but back then I enjoyed it ... to me its still my fav by them
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I absolutely LOVED Extreme's first album when it came out. I remember hearing "Teacher's Pet" on WBAB 102.3 on Long Island. Gary and Nuno talking about the record, and then they played "Kid Ego" and I think "Mutha." I saved up and bought that tape and wore it out.
I still enjoy those songs a lot. But lyrically, the album is very...of the time. I felt like Porno and III is where Extreme really got to show who they are.
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is it just me? but I feel like this New Extreme is a few STP tunes combined and quickened ( not that thats a bad thing : )
57 second mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTWgyYkVWXE&ab_channel=StoneTemplePilots-Topic
Dammit, Core is such a good album. The second one is too.
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I absolutely LOVED Extreme's first album when it came out. I remember hearing "Teacher's Pet" on WBAB 102.3 on Long Island. Gary and Nuno talking about the record, and then they played "Kid Ego" and I think "Mutha." I saved up and bought that tape and wore it out.
I still enjoy those songs a lot. But lyrically, the album is very...of the time. I felt like Porno and III is where Extreme really got to show who they are.
Mutha is still one of the best driving songs around.
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I'm with TAC on Cherone, Nuno is a better singer IMO.
I agree with you, sort of, but I don't think Nuno is a LEAD singer, though. I like how their voices work together, and Nuno is often the spice that brings Extreme from really good to transcendent. But I think Gary is the better LEAD singer.
Though he really IS channeling Weiland on this track (and in this video).
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is it just me? but I feel like this New Extreme is a few STP tunes combined and quickened ( not that thats a bad thing : )
57 second mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTWgyYkVWXE&ab_channel=StoneTemplePilots-Topic
Dammit, Core is such a good album. The second one is too.
Core was amazing... I actually hear a few STP pieces in that Extreme song
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I feel like I really need to give III some more time. I *love* Pornograffitti but III has never really grabbed me the times I've listened to it.
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HOLD UP.
Nuno is a very good singer. But in all ways, both technique and ability, Cherone is by far superior. I get that some may not care for a particular voice (that's only natural). While I didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn last night, there is no way someone can say Nuno is "better" than Cherone. Not at all. You may like Nuno's tone better, but Cherone is light years ahead of Nuno.
It's like saying Chris DeGarmo (who hits all those high harmony notes above Tate...just like Nuno does for Gary) is "better" than prime Geoff Tate. Not a chance. Nuno is great. But he's not, as Stads said, a lead singer. Nor is he "better." You like him more, that's fine, TAC. But uh, in all aspects, there is no way that Nuno is a better singer than Gary Cherone.
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I feel like I really need to give III some more time. I *love* Pornograffitti but III has never really grabbed me the times I've listened to it.
Both are conceptual. But III is separated into...three sections. Yours, Mine, The Truth. I'd encourage reading the lyrics as you go along. It may click. My favorite suite is the "Yours" suite that opens the album, but my favorite songs on the album are "Am I Ever Gonna Change" and "Stop the World."
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I feel like I really need to give III some more time. I *love* Pornograffitti but III has never really grabbed me the times I've listened to it.
Both are conceptual. But III is separated into...three sections. Yours, Mine, The Truth. I'd encourage reading the lyrics as you go along. It may click. My favorite suite is the "Yours" suite that opens the album, but my favorite songs on the album are "Am I Ever Gonna Change" and "Stop the World."
This might be a hot take, but I’ve always thought Warheads was a poor opener and I usually skip straight to Rest in Peace (maybe my favorite Extreme track). I’m also not big on Politicalamity, but the rest of that “Yours” section is outstanding.
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I'm with TAC on Cherone, Nuno is a better singer IMO.
I agree with you, sort of, but I don't think Nuno is a LEAD singer, though. I like how their voices work together, and Nuno is often the spice that brings Extreme from really good to transcendent. But I think Gary is the better LEAD singer.
Though he really IS channeling Weiland on this track (and in this video).
The song might as well be a tribute to STP, all I hear is sped up STP riffs.... the solo is obviously not STP-esque
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I don't believe in "hot takes." You like what you like. I dig the tune a lot, so I'm cool with it. :metal
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HOLD UP.
Nuno is a very good singer. But in all ways, both technique and ability, Cherone is by far superior. I get that some may not care for a particular voice (that's only natural). While I didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn last night, there is no way someone can say Nuno is "better" than Cherone. Not at all. You may like Nuno's tone better, but Cherone is light years ahead of Nuno.
It's like saying Chris DeGarmo (who hits all those high harmony notes above Tate...just like Nuno does for Gary) is "better" than prime Geoff Tate. Not a chance. Nuno is great. But he's not, as Stads said, a lead singer. Nor is he "better." You like him more, that's fine, TAC. But uh, in all aspects, there is no way that Nuno is a better singer than Gary Cherone.
Agreed. Was going to make that very comparison (or Sambora to Bon Jovi).
On the III Sides discussion, I know I'm in the minority, but that is not a "standout" album to me. But some of that may just derive from my general take on the band. To me, they are a really good, really fun live band. I can listen to just about anything from them in a live setting and enjoy it. But I rarely put on any of their studio albums and enjoy from start to finish. Good songs here and there, but nothing I enjoy listening to all the way through. Saudades is the exception. Love that album all the way through.
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HOLD UP.
Nuno is a very good singer. But in all ways, both technique and ability, Cherone is by far superior. I get that some may not care for a particular voice (that's only natural). While I didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn last night, there is no way someone can say Nuno is "better" than Cherone. Not at all. You may like Nuno's tone better, but Cherone is light years ahead of Nuno.
It's like saying Chris DeGarmo (who hits all those high harmony notes above Tate...just like Nuno does for Gary) is "better" than prime Geoff Tate. Not a chance. Nuno is great. But he's not, as Stads said, a lead singer. Nor is he "better." You like him more, that's fine, TAC. But uh, in all aspects, there is no way that Nuno is a better singer than Gary Cherone.
Agreed. Was going to make that very comparison (or Sambora to Bon Jovi).
On the III Sides discussion, I know I'm in the minority, but that is not a "standout" album to me. But some of that may just derive from my general take on the band. To me, they are a really good, really fun live band. I can listen to just about anything from them in a live setting and enjoy it. But I rarely put on any of their studio albums and enjoy from start to finish. Good songs here and there, but nothing I enjoy listening to all the way through. Saudades is the exception. Love that album all the way through.
agreed The "concept" side to them does not resonate at all with me. I like them for about 10 good fun songs, but to me they are just a fun band and lyrically I dont even pay attention. they are a fun riff band
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Saudades is the exception. Love that album all the way through.
bosk gotta bosk. :lol
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HOLD UP.
Nuno is a very good singer. But in all ways, both technique and ability, Cherone is by far superior. I get that some may not care for a particular voice (that's only natural). While I didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn last night, there is no way someone can say Nuno is "better" than Cherone. Not at all. You may like Nuno's tone better, but Cherone is light years ahead of Nuno.
It's like saying Chris DeGarmo (who hits all those high harmony notes above Tate...just like Nuno does for Gary) is "better" than prime Geoff Tate. Not a chance. Nuno is great. But he's not, as Stads said, a lead singer. Nor is he "better." You like him more, that's fine, TAC. But uh, in all aspects, there is no way that Nuno is a better singer than Gary Cherone.
Agreed. Was going to make that very comparison (or Sambora to Bon Jovi).
On the III Sides discussion, I know I'm in the minority, but that is not a "standout" album to me. But some of that may just derive from my general take on the band. To me, they are a really good, really fun live band. I can listen to just about anything from them in a live setting and enjoy it. But I rarely put on any of their studio albums and enjoy from start to finish. Good songs here and there, but nothing I enjoy listening to all the way through. Saudades is the exception. Love that album all the way through.
agreed The "concept" side to them does not resonate at all with me. I like them for about 10 good fun songs, but to me they are just a fun band and lyrically I dont even pay attention. they are a fun riff band
I think some of that is down to Gary. When he's on, and clever, it is or can be, really, really good ("Extreme" is supposedly a play on "Ex-Dream", his and Geary's pre-Extreme band). I like "Decadence Dance" for example; I think "Politicalamity" to be ponderous. "More Than Words" is a clever bit of satire (anyone who would play that at their wedding doesn't think much of their wife, haha!) but it's always sort of not fit the concept as I see it, but "Song Of Love" is IMO beautiful.
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"Song Of Love" is IMO beautiful.
One of my top 3 Extreme favorites! VERY "Queen-esque" :hefdaddy
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III Sides is my favorite album of theirs. And Side III is (IMO) an absolute masterpiece. I'd love to get to hear played live in its entirety. Punchline is the one album I haven't spent enough time with to fairly decide if I like it or not.
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"Song Of Love" is IMO beautiful.
One of my top 3 Extreme favorites! VERY "Queen-esque" :hefdaddy
"Song FOR Love"
C'mon boys, get the title right. :lol :biggrin:
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The debut is charming. One of the things that impressed me about it was the consistent theming across songs, even if the lyrical content is (as someone else said) a bit of its time. I at least appreciated that they seemed really invested in making a complete album experience, compared to a lot of other rock bands from the time that were chasing after hit singles and releasing albums of filler. I also think despite my earlier criticisms, Cherone really brings a lot to the early albums. The followup obviously had the hits, but it can just as easily be argued as their best work. Again, a clear lyrical and sonic vision for the entire album and not just a bunch of half hearted attempts at MTV bait. Ironically, III Sides didn't have any hits but I think the ballads (on the "Yours" side particularly) are way better than what they did on the second album.
HOLD UP.
Nuno is a very good singer. But in all ways, both technique and ability, Cherone is by far superior. I get that some may not care for a particular voice (that's only natural). While I didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn last night, there is no way someone can say Nuno is "better" than Cherone. Not at all. You may like Nuno's tone better, but Cherone is light years ahead of Nuno.
It's like saying Chris DeGarmo (who hits all those high harmony notes above Tate...just like Nuno does for Gary) is "better" than prime Geoff Tate. Not a chance. Nuno is great. But he's not, as Stads said, a lead singer. Nor is he "better." You like him more, that's fine, TAC. But uh, in all aspects, there is no way that Nuno is a better singer than Gary Cherone.
Agreed. Was going to make that very comparison (or Sambora to Bon Jovi).
On the III Sides discussion, I know I'm in the minority, but that is not a "standout" album to me. But some of that may just derive from my general take on the band. To me, they are a really good, really fun live band. I can listen to just about anything from them in a live setting and enjoy it. But I rarely put on any of their studio albums and enjoy from start to finish. Good songs here and there, but nothing I enjoy listening to all the way through. Saudades is the exception. Love that album all the way through.
You ever check out the Nuno solo albums? To my ears, Suadades is more of a spiritual successor to the Dramagods album (released only a few years earlier). Not only did they bring in the drummer from that album, but they also re-recorded one of the songs (Interface). I wouldn't be surprised if some of the material started life as Dramagods songs but then got repurposed when Extreme did the reunion.
Punchline is up there as well I think, although it was a bit of a departure. The problem with Extreme IMO is not just that they churned out their magnum opus (III Sides) at a time when that sort of album was exactly what the general public didn't want, but also I think they got unfairly lumped in with the glam metal scene that had become very unfashionable. I hear less Poison/Motley Crue in Extreme and more Queen, Beatles, and other more conceptual rock bands from the 70s. I don't think their novelty was appreciated very much at the time and probably never will be.
One of the very few bands that I feel justified in saying they got screwed by their hit single. "More Than Words" forever painted them in a corner.
There are a lot of rock bands from the 90s in this category. Mr Big, LA Guns, and E'Nuff Z'nuff are others. You could maybe even make an argument for Dream Theater although obviously they were able to turn things around and keep a large following. MTV really wrecked a lot of bands though, especially with the generic "second single is the ballad" format that led to lots of one hit wonders because none of the other songs sounded like that.
It has been a long time since I've listened to any Extreme though, this thread definitely has me curious to go back!
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I don’t know if those bands’ hits hurt them so much as the musical environment totally changing within a few years of those hits. Would Extreme have stuck around long enough to make III Sides if they didn’t have major success with More Than Words (possibly, but who knows how much label support they would have gotten, etc.).
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"Song Of Love" is IMO beautiful.
One of my top 3 Extreme favorites! VERY "Queen-esque" :hefdaddy
"Song FOR Love"
C'mon boys, get the title right. :lol :biggrin:
:tup :facepalm:
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HOLD UP.
Nuno is a very good singer. But in all ways, both technique and ability, Cherone is by far superior. I get that some may not care for a particular voice (that's only natural). While I didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn last night, there is no way someone can say Nuno is "better" than Cherone. Not at all. You may like Nuno's tone better, but Cherone is light years ahead of Nuno.
It's like saying Chris DeGarmo (who hits all those high harmony notes above Tate...just like Nuno does for Gary) is "better" than prime Geoff Tate. Not a chance. Nuno is great. But he's not, as Stads said, a lead singer. Nor is he "better." You like him more, that's fine, TAC. But uh, in all aspects, there is no way that Nuno is a better singer than Gary Cherone.
Agreed. Was going to make that very comparison (or Sambora to Bon Jovi).
On the III Sides discussion, I know I'm in the minority, but that is not a "standout" album to me. But some of that may just derive from my general take on the band. To me, they are a really good, really fun live band. I can listen to just about anything from them in a live setting and enjoy it. But I rarely put on any of their studio albums and enjoy from start to finish. Good songs here and there, but nothing I enjoy listening to all the way through. Saudades is the exception. Love that album all the way through.
agreed The "concept" side to them does not resonate at all with me. I like them for about 10 good fun songs, but to me they are just a fun band and lyrically I dont even pay attention. they are a fun riff band
I think some of that is down to Gary. When he's on, and clever, it is or can be, really, really good ("Extreme" is supposedly a play on "Ex-Dream", his and Geary's pre-Extreme band). I like "Decadence Dance" for example; I think "Politicalamity" to be ponderous. "More Than Words" is a clever bit of satire (anyone who would play that at their wedding doesn't think much of their wife, haha!) but it's always sort of not fit the concept as I see it, but "Song Of Love" is IMO beautiful.
agreed He can be witty and clever... TBH I havent listened to a lot of Extreme in some time.. their first one was the one that always seemed to stick w me
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You ever check out the Nuno solo albums? To my ears, Suadades is more of a spiritual successor to the Dramagods album (released only a few years earlier). Not only did they bring in the drummer from that album, but they also re-recorded one of the songs (Interface). I wouldn't be surprised if some of the material started life as Dramagods songs but then got repurposed when Extreme did the reunion.
Blasphemy alert: I have a couple of Nuno's releases after the first "wave" of Extreme, and ... they don't grab me. In fact, I'd have to look up what I have because I'm not sure I've listened to them in years. EDIT: Schizophonic, Population 1, and the "Sick Punk" single from Mourning Widows.
One of the very few bands that I feel justified in saying they got screwed by their hit single. "More Than Words" forever painted them in a corner.
There are a lot of rock bands from the 90s in this category. Mr Big, LA Guns, and E'Nuff Z'nuff are others. You could maybe even make an argument for Dream Theater although obviously they were able to turn things around and keep a large following. MTV really wrecked a lot of bands though, especially with the generic "second single is the ballad" format that led to lots of one hit wonders because none of the other songs sounded like that.
Yeah, but "Fly High Michelle" isn't a huge departure from the rest of the E'Nuff Z'Nuff (dumb name) catalogue. Nor was The Ballad Of Jayne for LA Guns. But neither one had epic concept albums with entire album sides dedicated to three part suites, or a guitar player who frequently got mentioned in the same breath as Eddie Van Halen (even if, IMO, he's not as transcendent as Eddie). Extreme, to me, was always looking to elevate above the pack in a way that the LA hair bands weren't, and yet they were all lumped in together.
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I've never been a fan of Nuno's solo/side projects. Gary's have been gold, however. Tribe of Judah, his band after Van Halen, had a great record called Exit Elvis. Hurtsmile was another band he put together. They were also good.
Touring-wise, I am hoping Extreme pairs up again with King's X, like they did in 2008. Bring along Living Colour for the whole tour this time too.
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I quite liked the two Mourning Widows records. They had a raw, sometimes almost punkish energy to them. Nuno's solo record was okay and Population 1 and Dramagods didn't really click with me. But his best work is still with Extreme.
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You ever check out the Nuno solo albums? To my ears, Suadades is more of a spiritual successor to the Dramagods album (released only a few years earlier). Not only did they bring in the drummer from that album, but they also re-recorded one of the songs (Interface). I wouldn't be surprised if some of the material started life as Dramagods songs but then got repurposed when Extreme did the reunion.
Blasphemy alert: I have a couple of Nuno's releases after the first "wave" of Extreme, and ... they don't grab me. In fact, I'd have to look up what I have because I'm not sure I've listened to them in years. EDIT: Schizophonic, Population 1, and the "Sick Punk" single from Mourning Widows.
One of the very few bands that I feel justified in saying they got screwed by their hit single. "More Than Words" forever painted them in a corner.
There are a lot of rock bands from the 90s in this category. Mr Big, LA Guns, and E'Nuff Z'nuff are others. You could maybe even make an argument for Dream Theater although obviously they were able to turn things around and keep a large following. MTV really wrecked a lot of bands though, especially with the generic "second single is the ballad" format that led to lots of one hit wonders because none of the other songs sounded like that.
Yeah, but "Fly High Michelle" isn't a huge departure from the rest of the E'Nuff Z'Nuff (dumb name) catalogue. Nor was The Ballad Of Jayne for LA Guns. But neither one had epic concept albums with entire album sides dedicated to three part suites, or a guitar player who frequently got mentioned in the same breath as Eddie Van Halen (even if, IMO, he's not as transcendent as Eddie). Extreme, to me, was always looking to elevate above the pack in a way that the LA hair bands weren't, and yet they were all lumped in together.
I can get on board with that for the most part, although I do think LA Guns had a bit more to offer than Ballad of Jayne but I see your point. I would still argue for Mr Big in a similar category as Extreme, given the caliber of musicians in that group.
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I don't think Extreme got screwed by their choice of single with "More Than Words." That was certainly a side of the band and it made them a household name. Once a song like that hits, it's up to the band to really balance what they do to potentially capture as much of that crossover audience as possible. I felt Extreme did as good a job as any in that regard. "Hole Hearted" was another acoustic single, and was well received. But they had some other killer heavier tracks and they probably snapped up quite a bit of that crossover audience.
Mr. Big - same thing. And I think that's a more apt comparison. Mr. Big and Extreme are two bands that feature virtuoso musicians. Whereas the likes of LA Guns or Enuff Z Nuff...I mean, not really in the same ballpark, ability-wise. So when you have virtuosos, that gives them a stage and both Mr. Big and Extreme really reaped the benefits of the exposure their singles gave them.
That would be a killer tour for Mr. Big. Mr. Big and Extreme. I'd shell out for that. Seen em both, both dynamite. Maybe it'll happen this fall.
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I don't think Extreme got screwed by their choice of single with "More Than Words." That was certainly a side of the band and it made them a household name. Once a song like that hits, it's up to the band to really balance what they do to potentially capture as much of that crossover audience as possible. I felt Extreme did as good a job as any in that regard. "Hole Hearted" was another acoustic single, and was well received. But they had some other killer heavier tracks and they probably snapped up quite a bit of that crossover audience.
Mr. Big - same thing. And I think that's a more apt comparison. Mr. Big and Extreme are two bands that feature virtuoso musicians. So when you have virtuosos, that gives them a stage and both Mr. Big and Extreme really reaped the benefits of the exposure their singles gave them.
That would be a killer tour for Mr. Big. Mr. Big and Extreme. I'd shell out for that. Seen em both, both dynamite. Maybe it'll happen this fall.
:tup :tup :tup
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I can't remember how widely they toured together but I saw Extreme and Mr Big as a double bill in Australia a few years back. Memories are a bit sketchy aside from feeling that Extreme blew Mr Big off the stage :)
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That would be a killer tour for Mr. Big. Mr. Big and Extreme. I'd shell out for that. Seen em both, both dynamite. Maybe it'll happen this fall.
I would LOVE that bill on a tour.
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Not an Extreme fan, that song was okay. Would have been a hit in the 90's. Not sure what the fuss is about in regards to Nunos solo.
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That would be a killer tour for Mr. Big. Mr. Big and Extreme. I'd shell out for that. Seen em both, both dynamite. Maybe it'll happen this fall.
I would LOVE that bill on a tour.
+1
Need to revisit Extreme. Been ages since last time I listened to them.
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Punchline is up there as well I think, although it was a bit of a departure. The problem with Extreme IMO is not just that they churned out their magnum opus (III Sides) at a time when that sort of album was exactly what the general public didn't want, but also I think they got unfairly lumped in with the glam metal scene that had become very unfashionable. I hear less Poison/Motley Crue in Extreme and more Queen, Beatles, and other more conceptual rock bands from the 70s. I don't think their novelty was appreciated very much at the time and probably never will be.
The debut album is what got them lumped in with the glam metal scene. I liked it, but there was nothing sophisticated and deep about it by any stretch of the imagination. It was chock full of just the brand of pure teenage angst I would have expected from the likes of Crue or Poison.
"Mutha (Don't Wanna Go to School Today")? "Little Girls"? Come on.
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Punchline is up there as well I think, although it was a bit of a departure. The problem with Extreme IMO is not just that they churned out their magnum opus (III Sides) at a time when that sort of album was exactly what the general public didn't want, but also I think they got unfairly lumped in with the glam metal scene that had become very unfashionable. I hear less Poison/Motley Crue in Extreme and more Queen, Beatles, and other more conceptual rock bands from the 70s. I don't think their novelty was appreciated very much at the time and probably never will be.
The debut album is what got them lumped in with the glam metal scene. I liked it, but there was nothing sophisticated and deep about it by any stretch of the imagination. It was chock full of just the brand of pure teenage angst I would have expected from the likes of Crue or Poison.
"Mutha (Don't Wanna Go to School Today")? "Little Girls"? Come on.
Mutha is a good tune though (and ironically, because of the guitar part, it was brought in by Gary from his previous band, if I recall). I agree with Little Girls, though.
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Yes, I like it, too. I like the whole album, in fact, but they were fairly lumped in with Poison and Crue at the time as far as image and lyrical content went. But musically, they displayed superiority over Crue and Poison from day one.
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"Little Girls" is of the time. Same as Winger and "Seventeen." Motley Crue, "Girls, Girls, Girls." It was the 80s. Exploitation was king. Wasn't right. But back then, it was accepted.
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Extreme just dropped two new tracks...
May not yet be playable yet for those outside regions but should cross over soon and both up on respective Spotify's ;)
https://youtu.be/bRs52nJ9hjE
https://youtu.be/O9_cJ6Lh1HM
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Love "#Rebel" and like the other one. So far, Extreme is three for three.
New tour announced for the U.S. EXTREME and Living Colour! Talk about a dream bill for me!
Gonna see two shows! :metal
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Love "#Rebel" and like the other one. So far, Extreme is three for three.
New tour announced for the U.S. EXTREME and Living Colour! Talk about a dream bill for me!
Gonna see two shows! :metal
Same here (8/10 & 12) :tup :metal
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:metal
Hell yeah, Mike!
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:tup
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Cool tunes.
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I like what I hear on the 3 tunes but I cant say I love it
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Yeah, I really like all 3 songs. Looking forward to the album.
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#Rebel is absolutely fantastic. My favorite of the 3 released songs by far. It's killing me that I'll be finishing up my drive to Myrtle Beach for a family vacation right around the time they'll be hitting the stage in NJ. *crying as I'm typing*
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One does not simply drive to Myrtle Beach on the night Extreme is playing a show.
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One does not simply drive to Myrtle Beach on the night Extreme is playing a show.
:lol I agree. If I were planning on leaving that night, I would definitely wait for the next morning. However, we'll be leaving at 6am that morning. So, God willing, I'll already be in MB when they take the stage. I was hoping they might be coming down the coast after the NJ show and I could catch them in SC. Unfortunately, other than the opening FL date, it looks like they're skipping the southeast.
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Every guitar hero has a "thing" and Nuno's thing is palm-muting. Nobody does it like him. Amazing.
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Absolutely OUTSTANDING interview with Nuno by Rick Beato.
Over two hours long. I know it's really long. But it's worth every second. He talks about EVH, his influences, albums he loves, how some Extreme songs were recorded, etc. Just incredible. I was today years old when I found out that "Hole Hearted" on Porno was actually the demo that Nuno recorded on the toilet (he snuck into the studio and dumped the recording on the 2 inch tape). Just crazy.
Anyway, well worth your time if you're an Extreme fan. Can't wait for the two shows in August.
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Nice one, I saw the interview come up on my feed but I did baulk a bit at the long running time, will make sure to check it out.
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if anyone cares about this kind of stuff, it is worth nothing that More Than Words was featured in the HBO series finale of Barry Sunday night (it played in the background in the cold intro).
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if anyone cares about this kind of stuff, it is worth nothing that More Than Words was featured in the HBO series finale of Barry Sunday night (it played in the background in the cold intro).
Funny, because Nuno talks about how he and Gary approve licensing of their songs in this interview. How it gets proposed to them, etc.
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Nice one, I saw the interview come up on my feed but I did baulk a bit at the long running time, will make sure to check it out.
I balked at it being Beato (he annoys me). :lol But it's been a fun listen. Sometimes I just shake my head at some of the stuff Nuno says. But at the same time, he also says a lot of really cool things, and it is evident that he is really a pure musician that loves what he does.
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if anyone cares about this kind of stuff, it is worth nothing that More Than Words was featured in the HBO series finale of Barry Sunday night (it played in the background in the cold intro).
Funny, because Nuno talks about how he and Gary approve licensing of their songs in this interview. How it gets proposed to them, etc.
I am not a big enough Nuno/Extreme fan to endure that long of an interview just to hear that part. Is there a time stamp for where it is talked about?
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I'm sure there was. I just don't know it off the top of my head.
New song out today. Over the Rainbow. Love it! They get into a bit of acoustic. Killer vocal harmonies and another great Nuno solo.
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Enjoying this album a lot today but is it me or is the sound totally messed up? Sounds very muffled on Spotify on high quality. Very muffled and compressed…
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I've only listened once (just restarted for a second spin), but I have to say, on first listen, I thought the four singles were the best tracks. I also liked X-Out, which had a Tribe of Judah vibe.
Spotify often gets credits wrong, but if they are correct - a lot of outside writers involved, sadly. Always a warning sign.
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They should've used an outside vocalist. ;D
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They should've used an outside vocalist. ;D
Listen, ass clown. :lol
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They should've used an outside vocalist. ;D
Let's try you singing then funny guy. Lol
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They should've used an outside vocalist. ;D
Let's try you singing then funny guy. Lol
NO! Please God. NO.
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I'd personally love to hear and see it. Lol
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:lol
:P
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Not hearing any issues with the sound and can't speak to song credits yet but would be rather surprised had Nuno allowed too many outside writers?
Anyway, regardless my preconceived idea this one would be okay at best, am quite taken with this record. And it's the less overt numbers, the lightweight industrial influenced Save Me, X Out, The Mask even Thicker Than Blood that are ticking the right boxes fer my ears.
There's a smattering of Suaudes but a kinda natural progression from the mighty Punchline that I'm really enjoying \m/
Ohh, and Cherone sounds bloody fantastic :metal
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Enjoying this album a lot today but is it me or is the sound totally messed up? Sounds very muffled on Spotify on high quality. Very muffled and compressed…
My first thought too, the album sounds like trash. I got about halfway through and while Nuno slays on guitar between the lyrics, and the terrible sound it's an absolute chore to get through.
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Enjoying this album a lot today but is it me or is the sound totally messed up? Sounds very muffled on Spotify on high quality. Very muffled and compressed…
My first thought too, the album sounds like trash. I got about halfway through and while Nuno slays on guitar between the lyrics, and the terrible sound it's an absolute chore to get through.
Singles sounded that way to me too. Haven't checked out the album though. I truly don't understand how you can get a bad sound in this day and age with all the technology, etc., but I tend to blame old age and bad hearing for everyone involved (band, producers, sound engineers, mixers).
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It's wild because I was listening to Days Of The New self-titled album which was released in 1997 and then cut over to Rise and the difference in mix was so stark.
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It's wild because I was listening to Days Of The New self-titled album which was released in 1997 and then cut over to Rise and the difference in mix was so stark.
Are you saying it was extreme?
Sorry.
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It's wild because I was listening to Days Of The New self-titled album which was released in 1997 and then cut over to Rise and the difference in mix was so stark.
Are you saying it was extreme?
Sorry.
:lol missed opportunity on my part
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First listen done and I must say I'm underwhelmed. Didn't have an issue with the sound on spotify but a lot of the melodies and riffs sound kind of generic and like I've heard them before in similar form. And Beautiful Girls is them trying to go for a trivial feelgood latin pop summer hit and it's annoying as hell. What were they thinking?
Edit: Second spin was better, maybe this is a grower? Cherone sounds really good and Nuno's sometimes trying to channel his inner EVH.
And Beautiful Girls is still annoying as hell.
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First listen done and I must say I'm underwhelmed. Didn't have an issue with the sound on spotify but a lot of the melodies and riffs sound kind of generic and like I've heard them before in similar form. And Beautiful Girls is them trying to go for a trivial feelgood latin pop summer hit and it's annoying as hell. What were they thinking?
Edit: Second spin was better, maybe this is a grower? Cherone sounds really good and Nuno's sometimes trying to channel his inner EVH.
And Beautiful Girls is still annoying as hell.
Dropped in to share my thoughts, and I'm pretty much aligned with this assessment. I had really high expectations after Rise, which I still feel is the hands down standout track on the album. The rest of the singles are good, not great, and there's a significant drop in quality after them. I'll give it a few more runs through, but I'm not getting the best feeling that there's much to 'grow' from here.
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First listen done and I must say I'm underwhelmed. Didn't have an issue with the sound on spotify but a lot of the melodies and riffs sound kind of generic and like I've heard them before in similar form. And Beautiful Girls is them trying to go for a trivial feelgood latin pop summer hit and it's annoying as hell. What were they thinking?
Edit: Second spin was better, maybe this is a grower? Cherone sounds really good and Nuno's sometimes trying to channel his inner EVH.
And Beautiful Girls is still annoying as hell.
Dropped in to share my thoughts, and I'm pretty much aligned with this assessment. I had really high expectations after Rise, which I still feel is the hands down standout track on the album. The rest of the singles are good, not great, and there's a significant drop in quality after them. I'll give it a few more runs through, but I'm not getting the best feeling that there's much to 'grow' from here.
Well, I am sad to say that I am going to echo both of you—after a handful of listens, I think I am done with this one. Similar to Saudedes, this album is super front-loaded, and after "Rainbow" (my favorite song), the album nose-dives.
That said, I think this is easily the worst thing (for me, at least) in their catalog, and I am pretty bummed. Happy I didn't shell out any cash for this.
At this point, I think I'm in a similar spot with Extreme that I am with Winger–I LOVE one album (like, all-time top-10 level love), I LIKE a couple more, but that's it.
Three-Sides is a gem deserving of all the praise it receives...this is, well, not even in the same ballpark.
Still, Gary sounds great, and Nuno still shreds, and the band is definitely a great act live, so there's that.
Honestly,
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I got through the first five or six tracks on the way into the office. Doesn't help my assessment much because the first four tracks are the keepers for me. But I did find myself liking the fifth and sixth tracks more. Noticed the Queen vibe a bit. Could indeed be a grower.
But to echo others - "Beautiful Girls" is trash.
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Just had my first listen through.
I always look forward to the variety of styles we get with Extreme, but I must say, Beautiful Girls is a real, um, standout.
I'm not saying I hate it, necessarily, but I do not love it.
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Yeah BG is a little jarring LOL musicality fine just those lyrics. Wish they'd left it as a bonus/hidden track or something but hey, there's those that like it so to each their own and all ;)
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Had the back half of the album on during my commute home last night, and then the album on continual playback during my travels around town last night and this morning. It's growing on me. The Queen vibes are big time. The Mrs. noted she hears a lot of Queen I and Queen II. She also agreed with me that the use of electronica harkens back to Tribe of Judah. So it IS growing more on me. I guess my "issue" (aside from thinking "Beautiful Girls" is a crap song) is that I've been expecting this proggy epic, and there's nothing here.
SdR was, for me, a throwaway album. A few good songs. I had high hopes for Six. But really, it's only four good songs, and then some better filler to pull the record above SdR. I also really don't like they worked with an outside writer. It's not that they recorded someone else's songs, but Gary and Nuno wrote with another person outside of the band on almost every song. That's really concerning to me. Why? Why do that?
Overall, a solid record. It'll never approach III Sides or Porno for me. Six is probably going to sit in the 5th slot of their catalog for me after III Sides, Porno, Punchline, and the self-titled. I do REALLY like the four singles. I do. And I dig X-Out. But it's a bit hill to climb to get the top of Extreme's catalog, and Six just won't get there. Particularly with my annoyance about the outside writer influence.
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ive not spent a lot of time with this CD but part of me wishes they allowed the songs to exhale a bit ...they wind some tension in the songs at times that idk why seem to miss the mark with me.. I wanted to actually like BG but the lyrics and contrived nature of it just doesnt click with me but I dont hate as it has some nice musical elements but its a miss also. not a fan of their live show from the clips ive watched meh... Id still give six a solid B- as of today
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Had the back half of the album on during my commute home last night, and then the album on continual playback during my travels around town last night and this morning. It's growing on me. The Queen vibes are big time. The Mrs. noted she hears a lot of Queen I and Queen II. She also agreed with me that the use of electronica harkens back to Tribe of Judah. So it IS growing more on me. I guess my "issue" (aside from thinking "Beautiful Girls" is a crap song) is that I've been expecting this proggy epic, and there's nothing here.
SdR was, for me, a throwaway album. A few good songs. I had high hopes for Six. But really, it's only four good songs, and then some better filler to pull the record above SdR. I also really don't like they worked with an outside writer. It's not that they recorded someone else's songs, but Gary and Nuno wrote with another person outside of the band on almost every song. That's really concerning to me. Why? Why do that?
Overall, a solid record. It'll never approach III Sides or Porno for me. Six is probably going to sit in the 5th slot of their catalog for me after III Sides, Porno, Punchline, and the self-titled. I do REALLY like the four singles. I do. And I dig X-Out. But it's a bit hill to climb to get the top of Extreme's catalog, and Six just won't get there. Particularly with my annoyance about the outside writer influence.
See, that's enough to get me to listen. I haven't heard a song yet - I don't really do the streaming pre-release; I have yet to do that and have a fair reckoning of the album - but I'll probably buy it because I like Extreme and I like that reference.
My order:
Three Sides
Pornograffiti
s/t
Saudages of Rock
Waiting For The Punchline
To be honest, I only really listen to the first three, and REALLY really, only the first two. That's more because they are OUTSTANDING records than it is the others suck, but it is what it is.
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It definitely gets better with repeated listens but I think the title Six is aptly chosen, can't see it overtaking the other five records in my personal ranking.
And I'm still a little disappointed that they couldn't come up with better songs in the last 15 years.
My ranking as of now:
Three Sides
Punchline
Porno
Saudades
S/t
Six
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And I'm still a little disappointed that they couldn't come up with better songs in the last 15 years.
Agree with this entirely. And longer, honestly. SdR wasn't good at all. A couple good tracks, but overall, not good. The first four singles from Six are undoubtedly the best on the record. Where is the epic? Where is the funk? They left key elements of their core band sound off the album.
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Two hot takes:
1. I had owned PG and III Sides at some point in time. I liked the band, but didn't love them. Saudades got me to buy their back catalog and is easily my favorite album from them. And it's the only one that I find myself going back to and wanting to listen to from start to finish rather than just wanting to listen to a specific song or two.
2. BG is a fun song. I love that they do weird stuff like this that is far from what they are "known" for, and I think they often do the more oddball stuff better than the more "traditional" Extreme stuff.
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I don't think Beautiful Girls is a bad song because it's not "traditional" Extreme. I think it's a bad song because it's trite and annoying with those dumbed down drum beats, that off-beat guitar chords I've heard a 1000 times before and that pseudo latin pop feel.
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Two hot takes:
1. I had owned PG and III Sides at some point in time. I liked the band, but didn't love them. Saudades got me to buy their back catalog and is easily my favorite album from them. And it's the only one that I find myself going back to and wanting to listen to from start to finish rather than just wanting to listen to a specific song or two.
2. BG is a fun song. I love that they do weird stuff like this that is far from what they are "known" for, and I think they often do the more oddball stuff better than the more "traditional" Extreme stuff.
I was avoiding to post in this thread because it seemed I was the only one to think like that. Saudades is the only Extreme album that I love.
The new one is really cool, I think it's better that the first 4 and not so good than Saudades. Ok, I guess just because I'm not a proper Extreme fan.
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Funny how music strikes people so differently. bosk is always a little off-kilter anyway. :biggrin: :lol
I listened to SdR again...it's just there. Honestly, it feels like a less punchy version of Six. I dig Comfortably Dumb and Star. And maybe a couple others, but that's really it. And Six is the same - I like the four singles, and a couple others but that's about it.
III Sides and PG are pretty much the band's bedrock. That is who they are as a band. And as a fan, I am fine with them experimenting and pushing forward. But the songs need to be there. And for the most part, the last two Extreme records (SdR and Six) have not been full album listens of good tracks, IMHO.
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Two hot takes:
1. I had owned PG and III Sides at some point in time. I liked the band, but didn't love them. Saudades got me to buy their back catalog and is easily my favorite album from them. And it's the only one that I find myself going back to and wanting to listen to from start to finish rather than just wanting to listen to a specific song or two.
2. BG is a fun song. I love that they do weird stuff like this that is far from what they are "known" for, and I think they often do the more oddball stuff better than the more "traditional" Extreme stuff.
I was avoiding to post in this thread because it seemed I was the only one to think like that. Saudades is the only Extreme album that I love.
The new one is really cool, I think it's better that the first 4 and not so good than Saudades. Ok, I guess just because I'm not a proper Extreme fan.
Why avoid this thread because you think you have a different opinion than some of the others here? You like what you like and that's the way it should be. And if we all liked the exact same records it would be absolutely boring discussing music here.
I mean, I think Load is the best Metallica record by a mile, so there's that. :biggrin:
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Yes, you are right. "Avoiding" was maybe a bit strong word. It was more like to not want to take the conversation to somewhere that noboby else cares but me. :D Just to not kill the flow of the thread.
I recognize all the effort on the music and production Extreme put on PG and III Sides, I just don't connect with the style. I like much more their 2000's more straight hard rock approach.
It's interesting that I have a similar take on bands like Winger and Europe. I also don't care about their classic era, but I really like some of their newest albums.
By the way, Load is great, among Metallica 's best for sure!
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Yes, you are right. "Avoiding" was maybe a bit strong word. It was more like to not want to take the conversation to somewhere that noboby else cares but me. :D Just to not kill the flow of the thread.
I recognize all the effort on the music and production Extreme put on PG and III Sides, I just don't connect with the style. I like much more their 2000's more straight hard rock approach.
It's interesting that I have a similar take on bands like Winger and Europe. I also don't care about their classic era, but I really like some of their newest albums.
By the way, Load is great, among Metallica 's best for sure!
Never be afraid to discuss something that you're worried no one else will care about. That's what a discussion forum is for. :)
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Oh, then in that case......
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Oh, then in that case......
:lol
Example Numero Uno. We put up with TAC and Stads' "hot takes" every day, and love em for it! :tup
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Tim's takes are the Mount Everest of takes though. Lol
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Sure! But let's admit these guys really have a charm in doing so... :D
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That's why I pount it out every chance I get. Lol
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Lately I'be been warming up to The Mask, it's different and simple but those monotonous verses in combination with that more energetic chorus makes for a good song.
Is that Nuno singing the verses?
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Oh, then in that case......
:lol
Example Numero Uno. We put up with TAC and Stads' "hot takes" every day, and love em for it! :tup
How did I get sucked into this madness?!?!? ! :) :) :) :) :)
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How did I get sucked into this madness?!?!? ! :) :) :) :) :)
'Cause you like it. :lol
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Beautiful Girls is a fun little track.
Thicker Than Blood on the other hand ... That's tripe.
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Beautiful Girls is a fun little track.
Please tell me you forgot to put this in green. ;)
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Beautiful Girls is a fun little track.
Please tell me you forgot to put this in green. ;)
I could tell you that, but I'd be lying.
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As much as I like a good chunk of the record, it bothers me a lot that Nuno and Gary worked with outside writers on most of the tracks. No one in the media has brought that up (mostly because the "media" is full of too many bloggers these days who just want to kiss bands' ass, as opposed to asking actual questions) and I'm really disappointed that it is flying under the radar.
Why, after 15 years, did Nuno and Gary need to bring in some dudes to co-write their songs? I think they did it on a song on SdR, but Six is literally filled with outside writers working with them. That's just absolutely odd to me, given how great Nuno and Gary are as a songwriting team. Thoughts?
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As much as I like a good chunk of the record, it bothers me a lot that Nuno and Gary worked with outside writers on most of the tracks. No one in the media has brought that up (mostly because the "media" is full of too many bloggers these days who just want to kiss bands' ass, as opposed to asking actual questions) and I'm really disappointed that it is flying under the radar.
Why, after 15 years, did Nuno and Gary need to bring in some dudes to co-write their songs? I think they did it on a song on SdR, but Six is literally filled with outside writers working with them. That's just absolutely odd to me, given how great Nuno and Gary are as a songwriting team. Thoughts?
Count me in as perplexed.
Your thoughts on the media are spot on–Trunk had Nuno for an hour (and Beato did a solid two) and neither really dove into this topic. It's a shame, because while I disagree with the approach, a solid explanation might shift my perspective a bit.
As for why the band went down this road–the best I can figure is one of two reasons:
A: They sincerely thought that seeking some outside writers would infuse the album with a 'contemporary' edge that would aid them in whatever constitutes as 'airplay' these days.
B: They were at a creative crossroads (Nuno spoke about how they had been intermittently tracking for a decade), going in circles, and needed an outside perspective to help get things going.
If the reason is A, then I am really confused because no-one is going to confuse Extreme with Drake. These days, the best a band can do is put their best foot forward and hope their aging fanbase comes along for the ride.
I get that Nuno has the Rhianna connection, but there is nothing on this album that is going to cross over to pop radio.
If the reason is B, then I at least understand it a little bit better, as I have been in that situation myself many times.
Sometimes, especially when their are multiple creative forces, you get stuck in a stalemate and can't go forward because no one is on the same page. One guy wants it to sound 'modern,' one guy wants it sound 'retro,' and one guy wants to add a rapping part (I've literally been there...ugghh).
Still, I'd argue that an outside producer can provide this role, and the band can still keep the actual writing in house. I mean, this album kinda sounds awful, so perhaps an extra set of ears behind the mixing board is where they should've called in those favors.
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I would think since Nuno is a gun for Hire, he wrote with other musicians and had to credit them once he brought the music to Gary and thy worked it out to what Extreme is happy with. Legally, if you write with someone, they need to be credited.
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I don't know; I can't say I'm behind the scenes here, but every interview I've read has talked about the writing synergies between Gary and Nuno. If Wikipedia is to be believed (I don't have the album yet), nine of the 12 songs have a non-band member contributing. It's not the same person each time, and it doesn't break down whether the co-writer is lyrics or music or both, so it's not like a "Mutt Lange" thing. I would tend to give a pass here. Nuno hasn't put out any substantive new music since Saudages in 2008, so that's 15 years. Nuno is not a sit-around kind of guy, having worked with Rihanna, Perry Ferrell, and others. While it COULD be a result of a dearth of ideas, I can imagine this is could also be about honoring ideas where they come from and these songs have seeds elsewhere.
Kris Kristofferson wrote almost all his own songs; his biggest hit - Me And Bobby McGee - also credits Fred Foster. Foster used to say the phrase that later became the title around the office of Monument records (one of the receptionists/secretaries was a Bobbie McKee).
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As much as I like a good chunk of the record, it bothers me a lot that Nuno and Gary worked with outside writers on most of the tracks. No one in the media has brought that up (mostly because the "media" is full of too many bloggers these days who just want to kiss bands' ass, as opposed to asking actual questions) and I'm really disappointed that it is flying under the radar.
Why, after 15 years, did Nuno and Gary need to bring in some dudes to co-write their songs? I think they did it on a song on SdR, but Six is literally filled with outside writers working with them. That's just absolutely odd to me, given how great Nuno and Gary are as a songwriting team. Thoughts?
I didn't realize they worked with outside writers but if they did they search craigslist for them? The album, especially the lyrics blow pretty hard.
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I would think since Nuno is a gun for Hire, he wrote with other musicians and had to credit them once he brought the music to Gary and thy worked it out to what Extreme is happy with. Legally, if you write with someone, they need to be credited.
And sometimes it's a bone; see above with Fred Foster. "Midnight Rider" by Gregg Allman is the same way; his roadie gave him the line "I've gone past the point of caring; some old bed I’ll soon be sharing." but the bulk of the song is Gregg's.
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I would think since Nuno is a gun for Hire, he wrote with other musicians and had to credit them once he brought the music to Gary and thy worked it out to what Extreme is happy with. Legally, if you write with someone, they need to be credited.
That's a good point I hadn't considered.
Yes, if Nuno's 'bag o' riffs' that he brought to the band had stuff he'd worked up in other situations, him crediting others is a stand-up move.
Still, since no one's really asked, it's difficult to know for sure.
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Yup. It still may be that Nuno did bring in writers. I still believe he's played so much with other musicians and wrote parts or idea jamming with others that he has to credit them.
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I trust that everyone ragging on Beautiful Girls has similar issues with Take Us Alive? There's a pseudo-Rockabilly feel if I ever heard it.
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I trust that everyone ragging on Beautiful Girls has similar issues with Take Us Alive? There's a pseudo-Rockabilly feel if I ever heard it.
Yep, not a fan. That said, the Mrs. dislikes Beautiful Girls, but likes Take Us Alive. :lol
Edit - Stads, yeah, if Nuno was writing with dudes and jamming and brought those ideas to Gary, obviously, that's a co-write. What I'm saying is that there was no need to do that. Nuno and Gary ARE Extreme in the writing department. Seems silly to co-write with folks. I agree with whoever said a producer could have (should have) brought songs together. But when you produce yourself (as Nuno did with this Extreme record), things happen.
I'm not saying I dislike the new record. I like it. it's better than SdR for me, and has about five songs I can listen to with regularity (the four singles and X-Out). But while the album is good, it bothers me that after 15 years, they didn't write the songs completely themselves.
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I trust that everyone ragging on Beautiful Girls has similar issues with Take Us Alive? There's a pseudo-Rockabilly feel if I ever heard it.
No, because Take Us Alive is a decent song, whereas Beautiful Girls is a steaming pile of shit. I don't mind the pseudo-rockabilly feel (although I think it's more country) and I wouldn't kind the pseudo-latin feel, if the song was at least solid.
Re: Outside writers: I know that a lot of people, especially here, think it's important, that a band writes its own music. And I never understood that. If a song is good, I don't care if it's written by a band member, or with help from others. Not every good musician is a good song writer and not every good songwriter is a good musician.
But I give you that it's strange, that after they've written five records almost all by themselves, for the sixth they took in a lot of help.
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I just watched a KILLER two hour interview with Noel Gallagher and he talked frequently about the difference between being a great guitar player and being a great songwriter.
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I think we're all intelligent enough here to know that just because someone is a great musician, doesn't necessarily mean they are great songwriters, or vice versa. But this doesn't apply in Extreme's case. Cherone/Bettencourt obviously are a great songwriting team, Bettencourt is a virtuoso musician, and Cherone one of the most gifted vocalists in hard rock.
So none of that really applies in this case. Clearly, they don't NEED help. They CHOSE to have help. And that is the question I'd like for someone to ask them and get an answer to, that is more than just a soundbyte.
As for a band writing its own music, yes, I for one think it is vitally important, particularly in the hard rock/metal genre. Pop music is wonderful, and there are a lot of talented songwriters who write for gifted pop performers and artists. But rock/metal is, and should be, IMO, different. To be honest, I respect someone like Adele, Pink, or even Taylor Swift, who all write their own songs (so I am told), a lot more than an artist who literally is on stage performing songs written by everyone BUT them. To me, that separates the hard rock/metal genre from much of pop. That doesn't mean there can't be exceptions, but in general, for me personally, I want my hard rock/metal bands writing their own stuff.
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I think we're all intelligent enough here to know that just because someone is a great musician, doesn't necessarily mean they are great songwriters, or vice versa. But this doesn't apply in Extreme's case. Cherone/Bettencourt obviously are a great songwriting team, Bettencourt is a virtuoso musician, and Cherone one of the most gifted vocalists in hard rock.
So none of that really applies in this case. Clearly, they don't NEED help. They CHOSE to have help. And that is the question I'd like for someone to ask them and get an answer to, that is more than just a soundbyte.
As for a band writing its own music, yes, I for one think it is vitally important, particularly in the hard rock/metal genre. Pop music is wonderful, and there are a lot of talented songwriters who write for gifted pop performers and artists. But rock/metal is, and should be, IMO, different. To be honest, I respect someone like Adele, Pink, or even Taylor Swift, who all write their own songs (so I am told), a lot more than an artist who literally is on stage performing songs written by everyone BUT them. To me, that separates the hard rock/metal genre from much of pop. That doesn't mean there can't be exceptions, but in general, for me personally, I want my hard rock/metal bands writing their own stuff.
Sidebar, not really argument, but clarification: you know full well that songwriting credits are at their best misleading, and at their worst currency. Elvis famously wanted to sing "I Will Always Love You" by Dolly Parton, but she would NOT give any publishing to Elvis, as Col. Tom demanded. I'm not up to speed on all the subsequent negotiations, but for the longest time, every Van Halen song was credited to Anthony/Roth/Van Halen/Van Halen, when the reality is, Roth and Van Halen wrote almost all the cataglogue. Gene Simmons famously credited Howard Marks, his accountant (not really, but something like that) on "Charisma" as a favor.
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I'm not sure if it's the surprise enjoyment of the album after expecting nada, but while the co-writes would normally bother me greatly they well, don't!?
Really digging the album. Minus those couple WTF moments the album is killer and I maintain the appeal is the semi-Punchline vibe and darkness buried in the X- Out, Save Me, The Mask and Thicker Than Blood. Those are the standouts tracks fer me. The underdogs if you will ;)
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The cowriting thing is completely irrelevant for me. It happens all the time in the music industry. The only thing that matters to me is if the songs are good or not.
What bothers me is when acts don't contribute at ALL to the songwriting (Spock's Beard, I'm looking at you).
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That's more where I fall as well, generally speaking. Although songwriting credits can sometimes impact my enjoyment of the music if I come to learn something that makes me feel the artist was deliberately misleading about outside writers.
For this particular case, the explanation that seems most logical to me is that Nuno and/or Gary had been working with a lot of different people over the long period where Extreme wasn't doing anything, and they got ideas from a lot of those collaborations, so crediting those other people was logical. But that's pure speculation on my part, since we don't know anything. It could be any number of reasons. We just don't know. I would like to know, since it's been brought up. But it's just a matter of curiosity as opposed to it bothering me seeing others credited as cowriters (which it doesn't).
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Im not connecting with this CD the way I had hoped. I hope others are enjoying more than me, even the good songs simply dont hold me
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Im not connecting with this CD the way I had hoped. I hope others are enjoying more than me, even the good songs simply dont hold me
Yet I find I'm connecting with the album way more than I expected. Even after however many weeks it's been this has lost nothing. In fact it's gotten better to the point I can enjoy a couple the ballads I otherwise couldn't before.
Faves remain Save Me, Thicker Than Blood and X-Out! There's a real Punchline darkness about the album I thoroughly enjoy and tbh front loading the album with the more traditional Extreme numbers was (IMO) a mistake (as was releasing all those before the album dropped but is what it is now I guess)...
It was a toss up whether to grab this on vinyl or new Sevendust but in the end old faithful Sevendust won out for delivering such a return to form record, but it was close.
Outside of an upset, I suspect these two records could be duking it out for my AOTY come December ;D
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Saw them last night. They were amazing.
(https://i.postimg.cc/qRWXTJgc/20230805-225808.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FdgJbQy1)
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Saw them last night. They were amazing.
(https://i.postimg.cc/qRWXTJgc/20230805-225808.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FdgJbQy1)
Where was that Joe?
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Roadrunner in Boston.
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Im not connecting with this CD the way I had hoped. I hope others are enjoying more than me, even the good songs simply dont hold me
Yet I find I'm connecting with the album way more than I expected. Even after however many weeks it's been this has lost nothing. In fact it's gotten better to the point I can enjoy a couple the ballads I otherwise couldn't before.
Faves remain Save Me, Thicker Than Blood and X-Out! There's a real Punchline darkness about the album I thoroughly enjoy
That makes me want to skip this one (I do not like Punchline at all; it's my least favorite of their albums), but this:
and tbh front loading the album with the more traditional Extreme numbers was (IMO) a mistake (as was releasing all those before the album dropped but is what it is now I guess)...
It was a toss up whether to grab this on vinyl or new Sevendust but in the end old faithful Sevendust won out for delivering such a return to form record, but it was close.
Outside of an upset, I suspect these two records could be duking it out for my AOTY come December ;D
... makes me want to hear it. I really enjoyed them opening for Aerosmith last fall. I'd like to see them this week in Hartford, but I'm going to be in Cross Plains, TN, so...
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Im not connecting with this CD the way I had hoped. I hope others are enjoying more than me, even the good songs simply dont hold me
Yet I find I'm connecting with the album way more than I expected. Even after however many weeks it's been this has lost nothing. In fact it's gotten better to the point I can enjoy a couple the ballads I otherwise couldn't before.
Faves remain Save Me, Thicker Than Blood and X-Out! There's a real Punchline darkness about the album I thoroughly enjoy and tbh front loading the album with the more traditional Extreme numbers was (IMO) a mistake (as was releasing all those before the album dropped but is what it is now I guess)...
It was a toss up whether to grab this on vinyl or new Sevendust but in the end old faithful Sevendust won out for delivering such a return to form record, but it was close.
Outside of an upset, I suspect these two records could be duking it out for my AOTY come December ;D
That makes me happy my bro glad you are enjoying this CD !!! maybe I will try it again in a few months
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What I really like is Extreme is rotating stuff from Punchline into the set. They played "There is No God" a couple days ago. be cool to see that. Can't wait for later this month!