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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: senecadawg2 on April 18, 2019, 03:48:05 PM
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It seems that the ubiquity of smartphones has significantly changed the concert experience, and I see no end in sight. What do you all think about this?
Personally, I think 99% of phone activity cheapens the experience and shows a level of disrespect toward both the performers and the fellow audience members. About the remaining 1%—even though it's not something I do, I wouldn't think to judge someone who wants to hold their phone facedown in their lap to record a song that's really dear to them. Also, I have no issues with people taking photos or videos after the performance is over, but that's pretty much where I draw the line. The idea that someone's view of the stage might be blocked by my screen, as I record what will is likely to be a very low quality video, embarrasses me.
And please understand, I have plenty of friends and relatives who do this too, including a beloved brother. If that's you, I'd love to hear your perspective on this. I admit that maybe I'm just being curmudgeonly. Of course, I would never assume malicious intent or anything close to it. People are clearly just trying to have a good time. All the same, I don't think this trend reflects well on where we are as a society. Similar to our social media habits, I think it illustrates a strange, compulsive narcissism that just won't quit.
Am I being unreasonably harsh? Is there anything to be done?
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Doesn't bother me as long as people aren't holding them way out in front, way high in the air, and they're not doing it for a long time - so I went with #3... Keep the brightness down, the flash off, and the phone close to your chest - that's what I do. I try to get it out of the way early on, and maybe a photo or two later if there's a solo spot or a guest appearance, etc. But even then, if someone's not being obnoxious with it, I don't mind them having their phone out. I completely understand wanting to capture some memories to look back on and remember that night. Don't care if they have pro photographers there - my photos/videos are my own and have their own memories attached to them. Thankfully video quality is much better these days. I have a great video of Anneke van Giersbergen covering Like A Stone and I never want to lose it, ever.
The only time I have ever asked someone to put their phone down is at the Helloween show last year which was a once in a lifetime deal and his camera was in the air right in front of me, and after 2 songs I barked at him to put it down (and thankfully he did). Otherwise I've never had an issue.
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If people aren't blocking my view, then it doesn't bother me.
Me personally, I snap one or two quick photos and then the phone is back in my pocket.
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Doesn't bother me as long as people aren't holding them way out in front, way high in the air, and they're not doing it for a long time - so I went with #3... Keep the brightness down, the flash off, and the phone close to your chest - that's what I do. I try to get it out of the way early on, and maybe a photo or two later if there's a solo spot or a guest appearance, etc. But even then, if someone's not being obnoxious with it, I don't mind them having their phone out. I completely understand wanting to capture some memories to look back on and remember that night.
This is pretty close to how I feel. If it interferes with the band or other fans, it's really a jerk thing to do. And while I don't get the mindset of taking endless pics or videos throughout an entire show instead of watching the show, I won't begrudge someone for doing that if that's their thing. It's really none of my business if it isn't posing an undue distraction by blocking my (or someone else's) view.
As far as the option about the venue or band disallowing it...Okay, I'm generally a rule follower. If a band or venue doesn't allow it, I personally am not going to do it. But if someone else wants to, that's not my problem. In fact, I was even at a show for a certain unnamed band where security was absolutely not allowing pics at all. I was right behind a young couple that were right up against the barricade, and the young lady was snapping pics as often as she could when security wasn't standing right in front of her. She wasn't obstructing anyone's view, and in fact, since security was being so uptight about it, was actually doing her best to be incognito about the whole thing. It got to be a fun little game where the security guy would stroll off to the side to deal with something or other, she would pull out her phone and start snapping, and when I would see the security guy coming back our way, I would tap her on the shoulder so she would know, and she should shove it back in her pocket. :lol
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Hell hasn't frozen over, bosk. Stop agreeing with me on things. :lol
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I begrudgingly went with number 1. Mostly because I'm a fan of personal freedom. I'm also a big fan of not being a dick, so 3 is a viable option, but really, we're always blocking each other. I'm 6-0 and my concert buddy is ~6-2. We're blocking somebody. Plenty of times there's a 6-5 guy up front blocking my view.
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I begrudgingly went with number 1. Mostly because I'm a fan of personal freedom. I'm also a big fan of not being a dick, so 3 is a viable option, but really, we're always blocking each other. I'm 6-0 and my concert buddy is ~6-2. We're blocking somebody. Plenty of times there's a 6-5 guy up front blocking my view.
Yes but there's a difference between blocking someone because the devil gave you a tall body, and blocking someone by an action you're taking. a 6'5 guy would have to go out of his way not to block someone. A guy filming goes out of his way TO block people.
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Hell hasn't frozen over, bosk. Stop agreeing with me on things. :lol
Oh, my bad then! :backupslowly:
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1, well obviously for me
I'm very conscious of the people around me. And I think that separates the people who bother others vs the ones who are doing it peacefully.
Funny enough, the only time someone confronted me was at a 311 concert GA floor where I deliberately went to the back behind anyone so I could capture the live debut of a song (I had a hunch something new was coming up and moved from mid pit to the back) and yet someone somehow got behind me when they could have easily been in front or around me (no one was around that back part near the bars). He was so wasted and I couldn't understand anything besides he was going to beat me up if I didn't move :lol
I actually asked the guy next to me at the recent DT show if I was bothering him with my camera and he said "why would it?" True, we were in the last row, there's no one to block.
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Doesn't bother me as long as people aren't holding them way out in front, way high in the air, and they're not doing it for a long time - so I went with #3... Keep the brightness down, the flash off, and the phone close to your chest - that's what I do. I try to get it out of the way early on, and maybe a photo or two later if there's a solo spot or a guest appearance, etc. But even then, if someone's not being obnoxious with it, I don't mind them having their phone out. I completely understand wanting to capture some memories to look back on and remember that night.
This is pretty close to how I feel. If it interferes with the band or other fans, it's really a jerk thing to do. And while I don't get the mindset of taking endless pics or videos throughout an entire show instead of watching the show, I won't begrudge someone for doing that if that's their thing. It's really none of my business if it isn't posing an undue distraction by blocking my (or someone else's) view.
This sums it up pretty well for me.
I've read lots of people getting really annoyed by this trend, even complaining when others are filming discreetly, saying they should be watching the show properly, rather than through a little screen. But I don't really buy that, you can still film while watching the band directly and it should be up to you how you choose to enjoy yourself at a gig, as long as you do it respectfully.
I wouldn't want it the other way, with filming being banned. I've had a lot of enjoyment watching live videos from Youtube over the years, as well as reliving great memories rewatching some of my own clips. Just think how much of a bummer it is that there is very little (if any) good footage of The Astonishing tour. I really wouldn't want that to be the norm.
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1, well obviously for me
I'm very conscious of the people around me. And I think that separates the people who bother others vs the ones who are doing it peacefully.
Funny enough, the only time someone confronted me was at a 311 concert GA floor where I deliberately went to the back behind anyone so I could capture the live debut of a song (I had a hunch something new was coming up and moved from mid pit to the back) and yet someone somehow got behind me when they could have easily been in front or around me (no one was around that back part near the bars). He was so wasted and I couldn't understand anything besides he was going to beat me up if I didn't move :lol
I actually asked the guy next to me at the recent DT show if I was bothering him with my camera and he said "why would it?" True, we were in the last row, there's no one to block.
This is an important distinction.
I rarely run into problems at shows that are GA, as I'm quick to move if I feel it's necessary and more often than not I arrive early enough to stand at the front anyhow. I suppose a lot of my frustration comes from feeling helpless at a seated show, particularly when I've shelled out for the best seats available and I'm stuck behind an asshole less conscientious about these things than you.
On another point, I can't say I'm disappointed at the lack of recordings from TA tour, and I really enjoyed the lack of recording at that show. May be an impasse.
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I've read lots of people getting really annoyed by this trend, even complaining when others are filming discreetly, saying they should be watching the show properly, rather than through a little screen. But I don't really buy that, you can still film while watching the band directly and it should be up to you how you choose to enjoy yourself at a gig, as long as you do it respectfully.
While I agree that if someone wants to waste their concert experience filming it, that is their right (if allowed by the venue and artist), but there is no way you can enjoy the concert to the fullest when recording it. Yeah, you can watch, but since you are still concentrating on holding your phone still to get the recording, you are distracted to some extent, and what if you want to rock out and head bang along? Oops, you can't because you are too busy recording the show instead of enjoying the moment to the fullest. Like I said, if someone wants to ruin their own enjoyment, have at it.
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I'm option 3, live and let live, and that motto "your freedom ends where someone else's begins". As long as you're not annoying all the time someone near or behind you, do whatever you want.
I'm an amateur photographer and I actually like to take concert pics. I try to be quick about it - go wild for that moment when there are perfect lights, or when the singer's in a badass pose, and then pull it down. When there's a song that gets me particularly crazy I just go for it and forget to take pics 'cause I'm too taken by the song. I never keep it up all the time, I just wait for the right moment and then I take the pic. I never film unless in very rare occasions. Also I am able to keep concentrated both on the song and on the picture so I never space out or miss out something because I'm concentrated on taking a pic.
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Hm, it's difficult to say. There's a lot of priceless and precious smartphone recordings I've watched on Youtube since before they were even any good, and a lot of them are taken from positions that other people would find annoying. When a band plays a rare song on tour and no one catches it from up close, I get annoyed.
Here comes the mildly off topic part of the post: I have toyed with the idea of starting to record at least a song or two for my personal archive, and last time I pulled out my phone to do that, two guys who could literally be 6'6" (I am not exaggerating, my brother is 6'2", I know how tall a man usually is) stood in front of me. I was in the first three rows.
Now, I am 5'7". I'm not some shortie person who will just have to accept the limits of my height in GA shows, 5'7" is taller than the average female height in almost all countries, and there's loads of men I'm taller than as well. If I put on a pair of uncomfortable heels, I can approach six feet. I am not saying that everyone over six feet should be relegated to the back, just like I'm not saying all bootleggers and people otherwise recording should be relegated to the back. But I frequently see people being very careful for how long they record, and I don't see Ent-people being aware that literally everyone in a vertical line behind them is being blocked from seeing the band. But no one is calling out the Ent-people like they call out the recorders, so next time I'll just buy a pair of monster platforms and hobble along wet cobbled streets to the venue and be that person :angel:
I'll leave you with some food for thought. In south Europe (and in South America they do this as well), we kinda check our personal comfort at the door and make it a communal experience. The crowd is very fluid, so if someone is REALLY annoying you you'll just move, but otherwise you let things slide because you participate. There's no one annoying guy singing and shouting because you're all singing and shouting, there's no annoying guy blocking your view because he goes off to the pit and then there's crowdsurfers and people climbing on others' shoulders and group choreo and all that stuff, the person recording isn't annoying because you all have the crappiest smartphones and you love to have some memory of the show, taken by someone who has a better one. Every metal show is like that - no calmer ones, no more cerebral ones. Everyone gets something a little different than what they paid for - someone pays to see the band well, someone to record, someone to have a good night out - but you all leave with an amazing experience overall, where some annoyance is trumped by something awesome.
So when I moved to the place where the mentality is "I pay good money to hear and see the band well", but I still can't hear and see well because there's tall af Vikings placed all around the room and the sound is sometimes crappy and sometimes people record and others sing, I get annoyed at the limitations of GA shows and at every little thing. I don't know what the answer is. Maybe I am not cut out for metal shows above the Italo-Swiss border :lol Not a lot of people here have experienced going to shows like the ones I described - maybe ProgPower is like that. It takes a lot of community spirit to make these shows happen, and it seems to eliminate annoyance at recording.
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I don't mind it that much that some people snap a few pictures from a concert but I've seen people with their phones up filming maybe 80% of a whole concert and it just makes me shake my head in despair. Like how much enjoyment can you get out of experiencing a show like that? On the other hand it's not my problem. Only when it blocks my view i guess.
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I've read lots of people getting really annoyed by this trend, even complaining when others are filming discreetly, saying they should be watching the show properly, rather than through a little screen. But I don't really buy that, you can still film while watching the band directly and it should be up to you how you choose to enjoy yourself at a gig, as long as you do it respectfully.
While I agree that if someone wants to waste their concert experience filming it, that is their right (if allowed by the venue and artist), but there is no way you can enjoy the concert to the fullest when recording it. Yeah, you can watch, but since you are still concentrating on holding your phone still to get the recording, you are distracted to some extent, and what if you want to rock out and head bang along? Oops, you can't because you are too busy recording the show instead of enjoying the moment to the fullest. Like I said, if someone wants to ruin their own enjoyment, have at it.
Well I can certainly say you are wrong, some of my all time favorite concerts were ones I recorded many parts of. Some of my all time favorite concert moments were captured by myself and in that moment I felt the amazingness that is live music plus the enjoyment of capturing it. It's actually a bit more than just watching it IMO when you know you are capturing something special. It's kind of hard to assume the enjoyment of others when you have no idea how anyone but yourself feels too.
One of my favorite parts of my videos and a reason I often get thumbs down and negative comments are because I am often having a really good time while recording. You can hear me laugh and sing along and while many people hate it, I love it and don't care that it pisses others off in youtube comments because to me, that is 100% proof that I am having the time of my life at some of these shows and enjoying capturing all those moments.
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I err to the side of number 1, with a dollop of number 2 and 3 thrown in for good measure. Personally, I always snap a couple pics (never video) from the shows I go to, just to document, but I'm literally talking about less than 5 minutes out of a two hour show.
I also follow the bands lead. At the Claypool Lennon Delirium, they were fine with photos, they were not fine with video and they had the professional guys up in the front (there was a two foot gap between the stage and the barrier) for the first two songs then they cleared them out). So I ended up snapping a few early, and putting my phone away when I realized the pro guys were gone.
If someone is being a douche, though, I have no problem asking them to put their phone up their ass.
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Hm, it's difficult to say. There's a lot of priceless and precious smartphone recordings I've watched on Youtube since before they were even any good, and a lot of them are taken from positions that other people would find annoying. When a band plays a rare song on tour and no one catches it from up close, I get annoyed.
Here comes the mildly off topic part of the post: I have toyed with the idea of starting to record at least a song or two for my personal archive, and last time I pulled out my phone to do that, two guys who could literally be 6'6" (I am not exaggerating, my brother is 6'2", I know how tall a man usually is) stood in front of me. I was in the first three rows.
Now, I am 5'7". I'm not some shortie person who will just have to accept the limits of my height in GA shows, 5'7" is taller than the average female height in almost all countries, and there's loads of men I'm taller than as well. If I put on a pair of uncomfortable heels, I can approach six feet. I am not saying that everyone over six feet should be relegated to the back, just like I'm not saying all bootleggers and people otherwise recording should be relegated to the back. But I frequently see people being very careful for how long they record, and I don't see Ent-people being aware that literally everyone in a vertical line behind them is being blocked from seeing the band. But no one is calling out the Ent-people like they call out the recorders, so next time I'll just buy a pair of monster platforms and hobble along wet cobbled streets to the venue and be that person :angel:
I'll leave you with some food for thought. In south Europe (and in South America they do this as well), we kinda check our personal comfort at the door and make it a communal experience. The crowd is very fluid, so if someone is REALLY annoying you you'll just move, but otherwise you let things slide because you participate. There's no one annoying guy singing and shouting because you're all singing and shouting, there's no annoying guy blocking your view because he goes off to the pit and then there's crowdsurfers and people climbing on others' shoulders and group choreo and all that stuff, the person recording isn't annoying because you all have the crappiest smartphones and you love to have some memory of the show, taken by someone who has a better one. Every metal show is like that - no calmer ones, no more cerebral ones. Everyone gets something a little different than what they paid for - someone pays to see the band well, someone to record, someone to have a good night out - but you all leave with an amazing experience overall, where some annoyance is trumped by something awesome.
So when I moved to the place where the mentality is "I pay good money to hear and see the band well", but I still can't hear and see well because there's tall af Vikings placed all around the room and the sound is sometimes crappy and sometimes people record and others sing, I get annoyed at the limitations of GA shows and at every little thing. I don't know what the answer is. Maybe I am not cut out for metal shows above the Italo-Swiss border :lol Not a lot of people here have experienced going to shows like the ones I described - maybe ProgPower is like that. It takes a lot of community spirit to make these shows happen, and it seems to eliminate annoyance at recording.
I'm sympathetic to people whose views are blocked by taller concert goers—it's happened several times to me as well—but I don't see why anyone should be calling them out in the same way. If tall people want to position themselves in a way to minimize blockage than that's their choice and it's a really kind thing to do, but that's up to them.
Also, I'm not sure the concerts you're describing are that much different from the ones I've experienced. And in general I think it's great that everyone checks their personal comfort at the door and embraces the communal spirit of the event. But that's also precisely my point—in my experience at least, phones tend to distract from the communal experience rather than enhance it.
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I went with 3. I hate when I'm told I can't take a picture or a short video but I always try to be respectful and not take my phone out a million times.
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I like to take photos and videos at concerts. However, I'm very careful about doing it. When I take pictures, I take them quickly, and get my arms down. I also try to do it during slower songs. Regarding video, I like to record a few songs. But I am ALWAYS cognizant about who is behind and around me, and don't do it if I have to keep my arms way up and block someone.
Overall, I think this whole thing comes down to being courteous, and common sense -- two things that unfortunately many concert-goers lack.
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Here is the issue I have: I have read too many stories about concerts where fans knew ahead of time per the venue and/or artists not to take any pictures of videos, and many did it anyway. If you are told that, especially by the artist themselves, and do it anyway, it is just plain rude. Sorry, but buying a ticket does not give you any right to take a picture or video. If you don't like it, don't go.
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On that point. The other night at the Warner Theater DT show, there was a guy near me who refused to stop recording after being told at least a dozen times by the usher. On the one hand I felt sorry for her, as she was a smaller, older lady who clearly just wanted to do her job and yet was bullied out of it. But if you're going to ask people to stop recording, you ought to have a plan in action to enforce that.
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Also, I'm not sure the concerts you're describing are that much different from the ones I've experienced. And in general I think it's great that everyone checks their personal comfort at the door and embraces the communal spirit of the event. But that's also precisely my point—in my experience at least, phones tend to distract from the communal experience rather than enhance it.
If you've experienced stuff like this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFrZBrrmaWo) or Rock in Rio, then I guess you know exactly what I'm talking about it. But the point there isn't not to do things that don't detract from the communal spirit, the point is that everyone is a part of what they like the most (like watching the band from the back or the side, or recording, or moshing), and then everyone is a part of the more communal experiences as well. Loads of things happen there that detract from the experience - there's stretches of minutes where you don't see shit, someone spills their beer, people mosh to power metal - but it is dynamic and fun and in the end you only remember the intensely fun parts.
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Now, I am 5'7". I'm not some shortie person who will just have to accept the limits of my height in GA shows, 5'7" is taller than the average female height in almost all countries, and there's loads of men I'm taller than as well. If I put on a pair of uncomfortable heels, I can approach six feet. I am not saying that everyone over six feet should be relegated to the back, just like I'm not saying all bootleggers and people otherwise recording should be relegated to the back. But I frequently see people being very careful for how long they record, and I don't see Ent-people being aware that literally everyone in a vertical line behind them is being blocked from seeing the band. But no one is calling out the Ent-people like they call out the recorders, so next time I'll just buy a pair of monster platforms and hobble along wet cobbled streets to the venue and be that person :angel:
I'll leave you with some food for thought. In south Europe (and in South America they do this as well), we kinda check our personal comfort at the door and make it a communal experience. The crowd is very fluid, so if someone is REALLY annoying you you'll just move, but otherwise you let things slide because you participate. There's no one annoying guy singing and shouting because you're all singing and shouting, there's no annoying guy blocking your view because he goes off to the pit and then there's crowdsurfers and people climbing on others' shoulders and group choreo and all that stuff, the person recording isn't annoying because you all have the crappiest smartphones and you love to have some memory of the show, taken by someone who has a better one. Every metal show is like that - no calmer ones, no more cerebral ones. Everyone gets something a little different than what they paid for - someone pays to see the band well, someone to record, someone to have a good night out - but you all leave with an amazing experience overall, where some annoyance is trumped by something awesome.
So when I moved to the place where the mentality is "I pay good money to hear and see the band well", but I still can't hear and see well because there's tall af Vikings placed all around the room and the sound is sometimes crappy and sometimes people record and others sing, I get annoyed at the limitations of GA shows and at every little thing. I don't know what the answer is. Maybe I am not cut out for metal shows above the Italo-Swiss border :lol Not a lot of people here have experienced going to shows like the ones I described - maybe ProgPower is like that. It takes a lot of community spirit to make these shows happen, and it seems to eliminate annoyance at recording.
I've only seen this concert mentality at our local punk and metal shows that I used to frequent. You are part of a family. Doesn't matter what "scene" you were from, what you were wearing, Whether you were recording with your phones, dancing, moshing, or just having a good time. Everyone enjoyed the show their way and left stoked to have experienced whatever show together. I think the only larger show I experienced that at was the first time I saw Black Label Society in 2009. Pretty much every other show has been more about the individuals and less about getting into the show and enjoying it as part of the fanbase / community.
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At ProgPower I saw an ocean of phones and cameras during almost every set but everyone treated each other like family as well. Yeah there's the occasional douchenozzle who is obnoxious with it (NO, cram, that is certainly not you :hug:) but for the most part it's very easy to get along with others who have different views on recording performers as long as everyone's respectful :)
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Yea, Jay, punk shows kind of have that feel, or at least used. There's still shows and bands who bring out that community feel. Definitely felt it at Within Temptation, the random dudes I met there were cool with me filming and even are in it at one moment.
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I went with #3 as well, but also agree with #2.
Hm, it's difficult to say. There's a lot of priceless and precious smartphone recordings I've watched on Youtube since before they were even any good, and a lot of them are taken from positions that other people would find annoying. When a band plays a rare song on tour and no one catches it from up close, I get annoyed.
Here comes the mildly off topic part of the post: I have toyed with the idea of starting to record at least a song or two for my personal archive, and last time I pulled out my phone to do that, two guys who could literally be 6'6" (I am not exaggerating, my brother is 6'2", I know how tall a man usually is) stood in front of me. I was in the first three rows.
Now, I am 5'7". I'm not some shortie person who will just have to accept the limits of my height in GA shows, 5'7" is taller than the average female height in almost all countries, and there's loads of men I'm taller than as well. If I put on a pair of uncomfortable heels, I can approach six feet. I am not saying that everyone over six feet should be relegated to the back, just like I'm not saying all bootleggers and people otherwise recording should be relegated to the back. But I frequently see people being very careful for how long they record, and I don't see Ent-people being aware that literally everyone in a vertical line behind them is being blocked from seeing the band. But no one is calling out the Ent-people like they call out the recorders, so next time I'll just buy a pair of monster platforms and hobble along wet cobbled streets to the venue and be that person :angel:
I'll leave you with some food for thought. In south Europe (and in South America they do this as well), we kinda check our personal comfort at the door and make it a communal experience. The crowd is very fluid, so if someone is REALLY annoying you you'll just move, but otherwise you let things slide because you participate. There's no one annoying guy singing and shouting because you're all singing and shouting, there's no annoying guy blocking your view because he goes off to the pit and then there's crowdsurfers and people climbing on others' shoulders and group choreo and all that stuff, the person recording isn't annoying because you all have the crappiest smartphones and you love to have some memory of the show, taken by someone who has a better one. Every metal show is like that - no calmer ones, no more cerebral ones. Everyone gets something a little different than what they paid for - someone pays to see the band well, someone to record, someone to have a good night out - but you all leave with an amazing experience overall, where some annoyance is trumped by something awesome.
So when I moved to the place where the mentality is "I pay good money to hear and see the band well", but I still can't hear and see well because there's tall af Vikings placed all around the room and the sound is sometimes crappy and sometimes people record and others sing, I get annoyed at the limitations of GA shows and at every little thing. I don't know what the answer is. Maybe I am not cut out for metal shows above the Italo-Swiss border :lol Not a lot of people here have experienced going to shows like the ones I described - maybe ProgPower is like that. It takes a lot of community spirit to make these shows happen, and it seems to eliminate annoyance at recording.
I'm sympathetic to people whose views are blocked by taller concert goers—it's happened several times to me as well—but I don't see why anyone should be calling them out in the same way. If tall people want to position themselves in a way to minimize blockage than that's their choice and it's a really kind thing to do, but that's up to them.
Agree with the bolded. Someone who is 6'6" doesn't have a choice in the matter; someone holding their phone over their head the whole night does.
As for ProgPower, I think it's a great event and definitely has "community spirit" but it's nothing like what you're describing Mora. But with that - are you sure you aren't looking at it with the positive light of nostalgia as a factor? I've never been to a show in southern Europe, but have in South America (not Rock in Rio or a large festival like that). It *is*different and the crowd is louder than other places I've been for sure. But, I don't think everyone's necessarily happy with everyone doing whatever they want and no one ever gets annoyed by cell phone recordings or people talking too loud. I've seen post-show discussions on Facebook groups where just like on this forum, people where complaining about smartphones blocking their view, for example. :) Whenever you have a large group of people in one place, people are going to get irritated about something, and I think that's normal and OK. You're probably right that "annoyances are trumped by something awesome" - but I think that happens at most shows in other places too. A forum like this or a FB group is simply a good place to talk about our experience, and most have here said that they had an awesome experience even if they were annoyed by someone doing x, y, or z.
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On that point. The other night at the Warner Theater DT show, there was a guy near me who refused to stop recording after being told at least a dozen times by the usher. On the one hand I felt sorry for her, as she was a smaller, older lady who clearly just wanted to do her job and yet was bullied out of it. But if you're going to ask people to stop recording, you ought to have a plan in action to enforce that.
I have been at the Warner Theater where they have enforced it (for Dream Theater, not this show but during the Dramatic Tour of Events). They were quite vigilant about people not recording or snapping pics.
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Funny, I got a facebook memory from 5 years ago of a picture I took of the venue when I saw DT in LA. That concert was practically ruined at the end by the guy next to me. I kind of forgot about it until just now, but I've never experienced someone be such a creepy ass.
Essentially near the end of the show, the young couple in front of us started standing. The two old men next to me were clearly annoyed by it, so the guy took his phone out and stuck it between the girls legs facing up her skirt and started taking pictures. The couple had no idea, but I was already distracted by these guys getting so mad about them standing that I could clearly see what he was doing. I put my hand on his arm to remove it from under her. That made things much worse for me as they threatened to kick my ass and whatever. Two dudes over 50, seriously. The couple was in their early 20s or late teens, and I was 29, you two needed to take those pictures and threaten me? The couple never even knew about this, they enjoyed the concert standing the rest of the encore, and I was flat out miserable sitting down. My blood was boiling when I left and I left quickly as to not get seen by those two outside the venue. I also had trouble sleeping that night. Damn, I totallly forgot about that. Thanks Facebook.
I guess no one thought of that type of photography at a DT show :lol
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Also, I'm not sure the concerts you're describing are that much different from the ones I've experienced. And in general I think it's great that everyone checks their personal comfort at the door and embraces the communal spirit of the event. But that's also precisely my point—in my experience at least, phones tend to distract from the communal experience rather than enhance it.
If you've experienced stuff like this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFrZBrrmaWo) or Rock in Rio, then I guess you know exactly what I'm talking about it. But the point there isn't not to do things that don't detract from the communal spirit, the point is that everyone is a part of what they like the most (like watching the band from the back or the side, or recording, or moshing), and then everyone is a part of the more communal experiences as well. Loads of things happen there that detract from the experience - there's stretches of minutes where you don't see shit, someone spills their beer, people mosh to power metal - but it is dynamic and fun and in the end you only remember the intensely fun parts.
I hear what you're saying, but I've never felt that moshing detracted from any concerts I've been to, spilt beer is no big deal to me, and as long as I can move a little bit it's not going to be a problem. One of those is an accident and two are the natural result of many people congregating and enjoying music with their bodies. In fact, I'd like to see more of that, not less. My ideal metal concert involves throngs of people losing their minds in a sort of Dionysian orgy, but that's an awfully difficult thing to record on a cell phone.
Maybe this is a strange place to draw the line and maybe I haven't been clear enough in previous posts, but my issue with phones is only partially due to the fact they might block someones view; I also wonder whether they are having a negative impact on the overall atmosphere and mood of the space. Same as if I go to a party and half of my friends are checking their instagram. It's not like I'm going to round up the phones and be a dick about it, particularly if they're being very mindful of their surroundings (cramx) because ultimately I do think people should have the freedom to do that if they choose, I'm just not a fan of the trend is all.
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Here's a story that left me with mixed feelings. I was at a club show a few years ago and stakes out a pretty good spot on the floor probably about 20 feet back from stage (maybe a little closer). I wasn't about to try to get up with the lollipop crew (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FAsIAhCy60) (a story for another day), so this was about as perfect a spot as you could get. A little while into the show, this dude pushes his way up right in front of me and parks himself there. I'm 6'1", so something like that usually isn't too much of a problem. But this dude was about 6'6". And he was fully reliving the '80s, complete with leather and (here's the relevant part) HUGE hair and a HUGE widebrimmed bolo hat. So here's the thing as far as I'm concerned--You're THAT tall, and you wanna go to a concert? Cool. You wanna dress up like that at a show? Cool. You be you, and enjoy the show the way you want to enjoy the show. But at the same time, you also have to be self-aware and know that that combination makes it IMPOSSIBLE for anyone behind you to see. So either tone down the above-the-shoulders attire to make it less of an obstruction, or don't plant yourself where you are going to obstruct the view of a significant portion of the crowd.
That said, I do have to give the guy credit though in this specific circumstance. He came up to that spot for a couple of songs, and then went back to his spot closer to the back of the venue. So he was just coming up to get a closer view for a few songs rather than planting himself there and messing up the view for others for the entire show. So...yeah.
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Personally, while I'm happily bumping left and right, singing, drenched in everybody's sweat, beer and excitement, not mentioning completely spellbound by the band's live energy and presence, Johnny Social Media Operator could juggle 25 phones, speak in tongues while farting green pixie dust in front of me and I wouldn't be able to acknowledge his individual existance outside the venue's collective body. But it's just me, I'm not judging.
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farting green pixie dust in front of me
So, um...is this a thing at shows you go to? Not judging. Just curious.
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It depends on the food stands quality, mostly.
And I absolutely love how you implicitly consider "juggling 25 phones" and "speaking in tongues" plain routine :D
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And I absolutely love how you implicitly consider "juggling 25 phones" and "speaking in tongues" plain routine :D
I love that you are implicitly saying that maybe it isn't. :lol
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Not a fan of recording at shows. I personally feel it removes me from the experience. Any time I have recorded in the past, I rarely go back and watch the videos. So for me, I don’t need to.
When others record, it doesn’t bother me as long it’s not blocking my view. Some asshole at my first Steven Wilson concert (seated venue) held his phone right in front of my view for the duration of three songs, one which I was really excited for. It was a huge distraction and it hindered my enjoyment of the show. I even tapped him on the shoulder at one point to tell him but he kept doing it.
I will say, I usually get in the front row at most shows I attend so distraction from others is never an issue for me. Every now and then, I’ll record a quick 10 second or so video from a very low angle that isn’t blocking anyone’s view or catching anyone’s attention. I only do this just as a cool little reminder of the show and to share with some friends.
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I think if I ever wanted to record a video of a concert with my phone, I'd get something like this.
DigiOptix Smart Glasses (https://digioptix.com/)
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I would like to choose both of these options:
Photography and recording are okay, but only so long as neither the band nor the venue disallow it.
Photography and recording are okay as long as you aren't directly blocking the view of anyone behind or around you.
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On topic:
https://blogs.mprnews.org/newscut/2019/04/at-concert-bob-dylan-speaks-to-fans/
I am not a Dylan fan, but I am on his side on this one.
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On topic:
https://blogs.mprnews.org/newscut/2019/04/at-concert-bob-dylan-speaks-to-fans/
I am not a Dylan fan, but I am on his side on this one.
Of course, there’s video. Watch it before it disappears.
and its gone :lol
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Some bands are trying to work with fans on this. Blackmore's Night was very clear: first two songs, take pictures, take video, do what you do to your heart's content. AFTER song two (and Candace acknowledged that moment, so it was clear), you get caught taking pics/video, you leave the venue. Bruce, on Broadway, had a strict no phone/no video policy during the performance, but had a period - and it was a good five minutes, plus - where, after the last song, you could snap away, and he was cool about it. He would pose and he moved from side to side on the stage. He was clearly uncomfortable, but it was a concession to the fans (I think I noted this in my review; you can tell he's a star and he's become accustomed to his celebrity. He knows he's being photographed almost constantly, and he has a way of moving, "deliberately" is the best word, which allows for photos to be taken, without undue interference. I don't know what he's thinking, but it almost seems to me that he is giving them their moment, their "inch", and hoping they don't take their "mile" by crowding him or otherwise bullying him as paparazzi sometimes do.)
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You have a bunch of older bands and artists not cool with it, I often bring up Glenn Danzig, but you have Tool and others who have strict no camera policies. I don't personally think it does the bands any favors, but does anyone know any newer bands that are against it? I think that's more interesting
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On topic:
https://blogs.mprnews.org/newscut/2019/04/at-concert-bob-dylan-speaks-to-fans/
I am not a Dylan fan, but I am on his side on this one.
FUCK Bob Dylan. Seriously FUCK HIM!
Oh so he can SELL HIS FUCKING TICKETS but after paying what was probably a fucking fortune, the FANS can't take a FUCKING picture. FUCK HIM!
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On topic:
https://blogs.mprnews.org/newscut/2019/04/at-concert-bob-dylan-speaks-to-fans/
I am not a Dylan fan, but I am on his side on this one.
FUCK Bob Dylan. Seriously FUCK HIM!
Oh so he can SELL HIS FUCKING TICKETS but after paying what was probably a fucking fortune, the FANS can't take a FUCKING picture. FUCK HIM!
From what I understand, it is made clear to fans beforehand that Dylan does not want pics taken, so if fans don't like that, they don't have to go now. If the artist asks that pics and video not be taken, fans should be respectful and honor that request.
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So FUCK him anyway.
I don't agree with that whatsoever. If people shell out their hard earned money, God forbid they take a picture of their hero/idol.
Who the fuck is Bob Dylan anyway, and has he done anything worth a shit since 1965? Seriously, why does he even matter?
These are his fans. The people that worship him, and he's gonna shit on them like that??
They buy his albums.
They buy his tickets.
They buy his merchandise.
Yet, he's gonna storm offstage?
FUCK BOB DYLAN!
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Then I will never buy a ticket to see him.
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Don't get me wrong, I am fine with taking a few pics, as I will sometimes snap a few myself, but if the artist specifically says beforehand that they do not want it done, I would not do it. Buying a ticket does not give you some divine right to do whatever you want. You have a ticket to see a concert, not record it or take pictures at it.
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Don't get me wrong, I am fine with taking a few pics, as I will sometimes snap a few myself, but if the artist specifically says beforehand that they do not want it done, I would not do it. Buying a ticket does not give you some divine right to do whatever you want. You have a ticket to see a concert, not record it or take pictures at it.
Buying the ticket DOES give me the divine right. It's a fucking picture for God's sake.
I completely and strongly disagree with this. I don't know what else to say,..
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Neither do I. We can agree to disagree. :tup :tup
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Neither do I. We can agree to disagree. :tup :tup
All good, Bobshmob. ;D
:tup :tup
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Buying the ticket DOES give me the divine right. It's a fucking picture for God's sake.
I completely and strongly disagree with this. I don't know what else to say,..
Agreed 100%
No clue how me taking a picture of a stage that I paid money to see effects the artist onstage. As long as I'm doing it respectfully
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Bob Dylan is an idol of mine, and one whom i saw a few months ago. I knew he doesnt like photography and so i didnt take a picture. No big deal whatsoever. Hes still an idol of mine and i had a great night.
Oh and by the way, Dylan has done phenomenal work since 1965.
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Nowadays I have my camera ready on my phone. I turn the brightness all the way down. When something special is happening or some other reason, I can whip out my phone then focus and snap the pic or little video. I put it back in my pocket afterwards and continue to rock out.
Most of the time though im too busy jamming out that I dont feel like taking a picture. I didn't take one picture of the DT show besides a shot of the stage before the show started.
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FUCK Bob Dylan. Seriously FUCK HIM!
Oh so he can SELL HIS FUCKING TICKETS but after paying what was probably a fucking fortune, the FANS can't take a FUCKING picture. FUCK HIM!
FUCK BOB DYLAN!
I ain't ever mad. :)
:biggrin:
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:lol
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Something I've been thinking about.
Is there newer bands that ask not to take pictures or videos?
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Something I've been thinking about.
Is there newer bands that ask not to take pictures or videos?
No idea, but I would imagine a newer band would be mostly or all younger people, most of whom have zero grasp of living in a world without cell phones, unlike us older folks :lol, so they are far less likely to take issue with it, IMO. Plus, a newer band looking to work their way up and gain more fans probably sees fan videos and whatnot that can get posted on YT and FB as a way of getting their name out there more, while established acts probably aren't as desperate for fans and/or recognition in that regard.
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Exactly my point. You have to see this as new avenue for promotion. Now you and I will say those holding a phone up for a whole show shouldn't happen, small amounts should be the wave of the future.
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Yea, I asked the same question earlier. I can't think of any new band that has a no phone/camera policy, but maybe some exist out there and I wonder what their reception is like. I feel like newer bands know they need the social media exposure from fans sharing pics/videos.
Last fall when I saw Haken I was pretty much on the side of the stage, I took many videos as I do, clearly in their view and whatnot. Ross gave me a fist bump near the end of the show, over extending his arm across the gap of the stage. I thought it was really awesome and a sign that he either didn't care or was happy someone was recording parts of the show for exposure. Too bad I didn't catch the fist bump on video https://youtu.be/jZH2Tr-O2yg?t=1214 (https://youtu.be/jZH2Tr-O2yg?t=1214)
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Bob Dylan doesn't care about promoting anymore. He's established. He can't understand or need this as a promotional tool.
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I think I'm a mix between #2 and #3. Honestly, I think it's important to record these concerts from a historical and sharing perspective. In our times, it allows the spread of the music to countries that are harder to reach or less likely to be reach (like in parts of SE Asia, Africa, the Middle East, and Latin America) and gives people in those parts of the world an opportunity to experience the concert vicariously through someone else's eyes. Historically, these bootleg recordings are also going to be important from a historical perspective later on. Decades from now, it could establish a "standard performance practice" for the music of an artist or genre, similar to how certain period writings and books inform how people play Chopin or Bach today. Even today, many theater students use bootleg performances to inform how they approach a role and use them as a learning tool. It's also useful from a historical perspective because it gives opportunities to see a band or artist at their least polished, which can be a great teaching tool for the next generation of musicians by giving them examples of what to do or not to do. It can also help with tracing the development of live music and the personal professional history of large artists like Taylor Swift or Dream Theater.
That said, I think these need to be done respectfully. Blocking someone else's view is obviously no bueno. And if an artist deliberately requests that photography or video taping not be allowed, I think that request should be complied with. And if you're going to a concert that's being professionally filmed, why even bother with filming it on a crappy iPhone camera? There's already a record of it that you can get to relive the experience with MUCH better quality than whatever's on your phone.
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So if we're right about younger bands encouraging this and younger concert goers being especially taken with this trend—which I think we are—does that mean we may reach a tipping point in a few years time, beyond which it will be only a small minority who don't record the shows they attend?
Bob Dylan doesn't care about promoting anymore. He's established. He can't understand or need this as a promotional tool.
To take it a step further, I think it's clear he's using this stance as a promotional tool. The persona he has always been famous for, which his fans adore and his detractors have always liked to make fun of, is characterized precisely this kind of curmudgeonly and difficult attitude.
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No. He thinks about his music and not about technology. Bob isn't the protester he once was. He's about his craft now. He was before but with the political beliefs.
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And when he stopped with the politically themed songs? Was that not a form of protest? Or when he subsequently started writing gospel songs? Or, when he did whatever the hell he did in the mid-80s that most everyone hates? Seems to me the man has always protested against something, but especially against categorization, and I don't see how that's changed. He doesn't talk to his audience, doesn't allow pictures, doesn't deal with the press in a normal way, etc.
Of course I think you're right that he thinks more about his music than about technology, and always has done, but that doesn't mean he's lost the rebellious tendencies that helped make him famous.
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So if we're right about younger bands encouraging this and younger concert goers being especially taken with this trend—which I think we are—does that mean we may reach a tipping point in a few years time, beyond which it will be only a small minority who don't record the shows they attend?
Over saturation could be a thing and maybe make people reverse this, who knows. But it will be interesting to see how the concert viewing experience changes 10, 20, 30 years from now. Which makes me wonder for all the older folks, was the camera phone the biggest change to the concert experience ever?
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I think age has a lot to do with it. Your piss n vinegar dissipates with age. It has for me. Lol
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Don't get me wrong, I am fine with taking a few pics, as I will sometimes snap a few myself, but if the artist specifically says beforehand that they do not want it done, I would not do it. Buying a ticket does not give you some divine right to do whatever you want. You have a ticket to see a concert, not record it or take pictures at it.
Buying the ticket DOES give me the divine right. It's a fucking picture for God's sake.
Sorry, but you are dead wrong on this. Buying a ticket does not give you the right to do anything the band, venue, and municipality do not allow you to do. You don't have to like it or agree with it, but that's the way it is. The law is 100% against you on this one, and there isn't even a slight bit of wiggle room in the argument. If artist, venue, and municipality set a rule for their shows, whether it be "no pictures" or whatever else, and you break the rule, they can kick you out and there is zero you can do about it because, legally, you have no rights other than what they give you.
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Those two Bob Dylan posts of TAC's have me howling. :rollin
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Don't get me wrong, I am fine with taking a few pics, as I will sometimes snap a few myself, but if the artist specifically says beforehand that they do not want it done, I would not do it. Buying a ticket does not give you some divine right to do whatever you want. You have a ticket to see a concert, not record it or take pictures at it.
Buying the ticket DOES give me the divine right. It's a fucking picture for God's sake.
Sorry, but you are dead wrong on this. Buying a ticket does not give you the right to do anything the band, venue, and municipality do not allow you to do. You don't have to like it or agree with it, but that's the way it is. The law is 100% against you on this one, and there isn't even a slight bit of wiggle room in the argument. If artist, venue, and municipality set a rule for their shows, whether it be "no pictures" or whatever else, and you break the rule, they can kick you out and there is zero you can do about it because, legally, you have no rights other than what they give you.
What does legality have to do with it? Sure you will get kicked out for breaking the rules, but where does the law come into play for this?
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Don't get me wrong, I am fine with taking a few pics, as I will sometimes snap a few myself, but if the artist specifically says beforehand that they do not want it done, I would not do it. Buying a ticket does not give you some divine right to do whatever you want. You have a ticket to see a concert, not record it or take pictures at it.
Buying the ticket DOES give me the divine right. It's a fucking picture for God's sake.
Sorry, but you are dead wrong on this. Buying a ticket does not give you the right to do anything the band, venue, and municipality do not allow you to do. You don't have to like it or agree with it, but that's the way it is. The law is 100% against you on this one, and there isn't even a slight bit of wiggle room in the argument. If artist, venue, and municipality set a rule for their shows, whether it be "no pictures" or whatever else, and you break the rule, they can kick you out and there is zero you can do about it because, legally, you have no rights other than what they give you.
What does legality have to do with it? Sure you will get kicked out for breaking the rules, but where does the law come into play for this?
The law absolutely comes into play. When you buy a ticket to a concert, sporting event, etc., you are buying a small bundle of certain rights that, in legal terms, is referred to as a license. You don't have ownership in anything. You can't do whatever you want with your seat because you don't own it. You only have the right to be present and witness the event in whatever limited capacity the venue, artist, and municipality have decided to allow. Most of the time, people wouldn't even consider it as a "limitation" on their rights because the limits are usually inherently reasonable in the context of the event. But it is why, for example, they can search you without your permission, without a warrant, and without suspicion that you have done anything wrong. You don't like it? You don't get to come in. It is why, for example, they can kick you out for not following their arbitrary rules, or for any other reason, and if you try to sue and get your money back and recover damages, you will lose every single time (barring being able to prove discrimination, or some other very limited circumstances).
TAC was talking about "rights." So the law very much speaks to this issue. And TAC is very much dead wrong.
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I think the issue is more this. In the U.S., if you take a picture or video of an artist performing, YOU, not the artist, own that, and the copyright to it. I believe one of the main reasons some artists try to say "no pictures, no videos" is not because it bothers them, but because they don't want people profiting off their performance or likeness. And with the quality of both pictures and videos these days, I can understand their concern.
What I call horseshit on, is an artist saying "no pics, no recording" simply because they just want to control the experience. The experience is, to me, what fans make it, not what the artist tries to control it to be. The artist should be controlling what is happening on the stage. What happens off of it, and the vibe the music/performance creates, and how a fan enjoys that, should not be something the artist has control of. Again, totally my opinion.
Legally-speaking, bosk is correct, with my above added commentary in the first paragraph added in. But in general, while I don't like the obnoxious conduct of fans, and think fans need more self control, they paid for the concert, and should have the freedom (notice I didn't say "right") to do what they want, within reason.
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I think the issue is more this. In the U.S., if you take a picture or video of an artist performing, YOU, not the artist, own that, and the copyright to it. I believe one of the main reasons some artists try to say "no pictures, no videos" is not because it bothers them, but because they don't want people profiting off their performance or likeness. And with the quality of both pictures and videos these days, I can understand their concern.
That's not true though, almost every video I put on youtube gets a copy right claim. For example, I put up a video of Tesla last weekend and got this email:
Dear cramx3,
Your video "Tesla - LIVE - Shock Tour @ Starland Ballroom Sayreville NJ 4/20/2019 *cramx3 concert experience*", may have content that is owned or licensed by ICE_CS, APRA_CS, TONO_CS, ECAD_CS, TEOSTO, and KODA_CS, but it’s still available on YouTube! In some cases, ads may appear next to it.
If this is your performance of a 3rd party song then you can still make money from this video. Click here to change your monetization settings.
This claim is not penalizing your account status. Visit your Copyright Notice page for more details on the policy applied to your video.
- The YouTube Team
Not every video gets this, specifically smaller bands don't have the ability probably to claim all the videos, but once I make "my" video public, it is owned by the copyright owner fairly quickly usually. I think I could turn monetization on for videos that are not claimed, but that seems wrong. I haven't made a single dollar from youtube personally.
What I call horseshit on, is an artist saying "no pics, no recording" simply because they just want to control the experience. The experience is, to me, what fans make it, not what the artist tries to control it to be. The artist should be controlling what is happening on the stage. What happens off of it, and the vibe the music/performance creates, and how a fan enjoys that, should not be something the artist has control of. Again, totally my opinion.
Personally, I think a lot of bands that use this excuse also happen to be pretty bad live performers (cough Misfits cough).
and I'm still missing the point on the legality of it, sure there are rules and if broken even if not against the law, you will be removed and have no legal right to challenge, but it's not like they would make me delete my video if I got kicked out or call the cops on me. At least I don't know of that happening (and I'm yet to be kicked out of a concert).
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I think we also have to take into account the wow factor when it comes to really awesome live moments. What if a band does something really cool and unique that will get a wow/huge applause moment out of each crowd, but oh wait, a bunch of people have recorded those moments on their cell and put in on YT, and now fans seeing the band later in the tour have already seen it on YT, so the wow factor isn't there, which takes away from the live moment.
It reminds me of why Dave Chappelle doesn't allow recordings of any of his stand-up shows, because if you have already seen the joke on YT, then it won't be as funny when he tells it at your show, and he can't come up with the new material from every single show, nor should have have to.
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Cram,
Unless copyright law in the U.S. has changed (and it could have) over the last 16 years, a picture you take of an artist is something you captured, and you own that copyright, and are free to do with what you choose. That includes selling it. Again, my knowledge of the law in this area is from 16 years ago, so it absolutely could have changed. But at the time, that was the extent of it.
Video though -- what you are describing is odd. I have tons of video up there on YouTube, and I've never once gotten that kind of email. But the law in the area of videos could very well be different, and I'm just not up on it any longer.
I do know that back in 2013, people were asking Queensryche to put out a live Blu-ray concert, and when I asked mgmt and their attorney about it, they said they thought about it, but with people taking high quality video and posting it on YouTube, it makes the potential sales of a blu-ray go down significantly, so they elected not to do it, figuring YouTube was out there for people who wanted to see the band on video. Boiling that down -- basically it came to that the band knew it couldn't profit a lot off a blu-ray release because of high quality fan recordings, so they didn't bother with one.
Again, my knowledge of copyright law in the U.S. is 16 years old, so I could be off, and if so, I apologize. Just not an area I keep up with any longer.
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I dont know the laws either, just know my stuff that I post of copyrighted material often gets claimed and the owner gets the ad revenue, if there is any which I wouldn't even know. Picture vs. video probably is different though. The video has the copyrighted music, the picture is well just an image so I can see why the photographer owns the image.
As for the example with Queensyrche, that's pretty much true for smaller bands. It's hard to justify the cost of a live video when there's so much free on the internet. I don't think personally that should stop them, but that's just me since I buy up concert videos all the time.
I think we also have to take into account the wow factor when it comes to really awesome live moments. What if a band does something really cool and unique that will get a wow/huge applause moment out of each crowd, but oh wait, a bunch of people have recorded those moments on their cell and put in on YT, and now fans seeing the band later in the tour have already seen it on YT, so the wow factor isn't there, which takes away from the live moment.
It reminds me of why Dave Chappelle doesn't allow recordings of any of his stand-up shows, because if you have already seen the joke on YT, then it won't be as funny when he tells it at your show, and he can't come up with the new material from every single show, nor should have have to.
Hard to compare comedy vs a concert though. While both may be performing the same thing every night, you don't get the same joy of hearing a joke a second time vs seeing a song performance the 5th time or whatever. But this is a reason why I typically don't watch youtube concert videos until after I've seen the show. I don't want the subtleties of the tour to be spoiled.
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Don't get me wrong, I am fine with taking a few pics, as I will sometimes snap a few myself, but if the artist specifically says beforehand that they do not want it done, I would not do it. Buying a ticket does not give you some divine right to do whatever you want. You have a ticket to see a concert, not record it or take pictures at it.
Buying the ticket DOES give me the divine right. It's a fucking picture for God's sake.
Sorry, but you are dead wrong on this. Buying a ticket does not give you the right to do anything the band, venue, and municipality do not allow you to do. You don't have to like it or agree with it, but that's the way it is. The law is 100% against you on this one, and there isn't even a slight bit of wiggle room in the argument. If artist, venue, and municipality set a rule for their shows, whether it be "no pictures" or whatever else, and you break the rule, they can kick you out and there is zero you can do about it because, legally, you have no rights other than what they give you.
I do understand that. Trust me.
Is divine a legal term?
I may not have a legal right, or any right for that matter, except the right to skip their show and not buy their albums.
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I took a photo of The Astonishing stage before house lights went down. :neverusethis: :hat
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I took a photo of The Astonishing stage before house lights went down. :neverusethis: :hat
I took a selfie next to the sign that said "no photos or video."
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You guys are heathens.
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:lol
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:lol
So, are we done here now? :rollin
p.s. F*CK BOB DYLAN (that was for you, T)
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Taking pictures I can understand but recording videos has always seemed a bit strange to me. Like what do you do with those videos afterwards? The quality is like mediocre at best with an expensive phone but I guess I just can't see myself in that position that I would want to revisit and watch a lo-fi recorded video of a song.
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I took a photo of The Astonishing stage before house lights went down. :neverusethis: :hat
I took a selfie next to the sign that said "no photos or video."
I took a picture next to a sign at a Patriots practice in 2008. The sign said no videotaping while on the premises. :lol
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Taking pictures I can understand but recording videos has always seemed a bit strange to me. Like what do you do with those videos afterwards? The quality is like mediocre at best with an expensive phone but I guess I just can't see myself in that position that I would want to revisit and watch a lo-fi recorded video of a song.
I recorded this with a phone and revisit it every now and then. Sounds really good. Gotta be mindful about what you're recording. A super loud heavy metal song can actually come through pretty clean sometimes but a lot of people don't take the time to set their equipment up for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRbZ5Dm-HeU
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I took a photo of The Astonishing stage before house lights went down. :neverusethis: :hat
I took a selfie next to the sign that said "no photos or video."
I took a picture next to a sign at a Patriots practice in 2008. The sign said no videotaping while on the premises. :lol
And I took video of King being arrested for said photo.
https://youtu.be/PeihcfYft9w
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:lol
So, are we done here now? :rollin
p.s. F*CK BOB DYLAN (that was for you, T)
I figured Bob Dylan might be interested in our poll..
(https://i.imgur.com/ouPSFHW.jpg)
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:lol
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I love the fact TAC has a tab with a live show recording site open. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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It's actually my toolbar! :lol
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You are a toolbar! :lol
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I love the fact TAC has a tab with a live show recording site open. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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You are a toolbar! :lol
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I don't mind too much myself, but I struggle to understand why some people try to record as much as possible instead of just enjoying the moment. If you prefer to watch the show on a screen, just buy the DVD?!
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I went with #3 for this one. You can go ahead and have your phone out all you want and I couldn't care, but it would be nice if people with their phones can be a little considerate and read the atmosphere around to see if everyone's having a good time. If I'm in GA, I always turn my back to the person behind me and I ask them if they can see well and if they don't, I can position myself accordingly. Interestingly, they always that they can see well so it's not an issue.
I think in all of the concerts I've been to, I only had one issue in a show relating to cell phones. All of the other shows I've been to, I did not have an issue with people having their cell phones out and they are filming stuff, even in the shows I was in GA for. I mentioned this a couple of times, but since this is a topic that that is very relevant I can say it again. So, at the DT show at the Wiltern a couple of weeks back, I was having issues with my view where I was seating. Since I was in the very far back and the section wasn't tiered seating, if there was a tall person a couple of rows ahead of me, I was going to have an issue with my view.
During the intermission, I had this idea to go ahead and move from Section 4 of the Wiltern Theater to Section 5 which is the absolutely far back in the Floor area where Section 5 is slightly higher than Section 4, thus I have a better view of the stage. It worked and I can finally start enjoying the DT show with how I intended to and can enjoy watching them play SFAM in its entirety. About 30 minutes in, there was this guy in Section 4 and he decided, since he couldn't see with all the tall people in front, to stand on his chair which blocked my center view of the stage. I wouldn't have any issues if he wanted to enjoy the show better, but he was just filming on his phone and not reacting to anything (no applauding, no positive aura, nothing that indicates that he's enjoying the show. He was just filming). That lasted for mainly the latter half of the SFAM set. Even the guy next to me showed me a text that stated "Sorry, that you picked the one position where the guy was standing on his chair." and all I can do is shrug.
So note to self when wanting to see DT again, I need to make sure that I can get a seat in a tiered section so I can avoid this issue, or hope they do all GA in the floor section and I can position myself accordingly if there are taller people near the front. Other than this incident, nope, cell phones has never affected my mood in the concerts other than the DT show I went to. You can do whatever you want with the phone, but a little courtesy around the people near you never hurts (which it feels like people may lack nowadays. Don't know why).
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Kind of surprised security would let one person stand on a chair. I've only stood on my chair once that I can recall, on the floor at MSG for Incubus (chairs on a flat arena floor) and you couldn't see much at all, so everyone stood on their chairs, that was in like 2004. I feel like security these days wouldn't be cool with that.
For some reason I was just reminded about this incident at a Slipknot show I went to that made some metal headlines:
Slipknot's Corey Taylor Slaps Phone Out of Texting Fan's Hands (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kYOInfUF2A)
What are peoples thoughts about that?
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^ Dick. Don't damage other people's property. You can be angry or upset all you want, but he could've totally f'ed his phone up by knocking it out like that.
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Well, remember the BIG Guns n Roses incident back in the early 90's? Some dude had a camera, Axle yelled to have it taken away, no one did, so he dove into the audience to beat the guy up, walked off stage, and then a riot started.