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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: zappafrank2112 on August 11, 2016, 12:07:00 PM
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It wouldn't kill them to chill on the new music front for a bit, especially after how The Astonishing cost them a lot of good will (whether proponents of the album admit it or not)
They should go out on a tour playing all of the stuff that they're had to set to the side for a while b/c of new music, length, whatever.
Octavarium (with new animation), ACoS, LOTS of stuff off of When Dream and Day Unite, even Falling into Infinity... it's time for them to celebrate their catalog at large and give new fans a chance to experience live stuff that just doesn't get put into rotation anymore.
Hell, BCaSL barely got represented at large for a large cross section of us (US at least) b/c they didn't do many headlining tours for it that I recall, opening for Maiden or Yes. The Count of Tuscany? Please, and thank you!!!
Finish this tour, take some chill time, and then maybe at the end of 2017 go out and rock the unsung classics, as it were.
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It wouldn't kill them to chill on the new music front for a bit, especially after how The Astonishing cost them a lot of good will (whether proponents of the album admit it or not)
They should go out on a tour playing all of the stuff that they're had to set to the side for a while b/c of new music, length, whatever.
Octavarium (with new animation), ACoS, LOTS of stuff off of When Dream and Day Unite, even Falling into Infinity... it's time for them to celebrate their catalog at large and give new fans a chance to experience live stuff that just doesn't get put into rotation anymore.
Hell, BCaSL barely got represented at large for a large cross section of us (US at least) b/c they didn't do many headlining tours for it that I recall, opening for Maiden or Yes. The Count of Tuscany? Please, and thank you!!!
Finish this tour, take some chill time, and then maybe at the end of 2017 go out and rock the unsung classics, as it were.
:rollin :rollin :rollin
Or DT can keep doing whatever they want. That'd be fine by me.
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It should be!
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I wouldn't say that that it SHOULD be that, but if they did it, that would be cool.
But that won't happen.
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I'd like to see more Nightmare Cinema.
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Obviously every band with a larger catalog have lesser played songs, but overall, I think DT does a pretty good job at playing most of their stuff regularly (often across a few world tour cycles). Compared to some bands that consistently ignore whole albums or eras...
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They've done exactly this every tour since Mangini joined. Now that they do ONE tour, the first since the early 2000s where they play the new album in its entirety, suddenly they "lose favour" and need to try this new thing where they do exactly what most other tours have been in their history as a band! :lol
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I would love a tour solely of songs that don't get played on any consistency. Granted, I do think they are VERY good at this as is though (compared to most bands) so it is kind of asking a lot.
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I've seen them on every touring cycle since 2004, and every time they've come to Boston, they have played at least one song that I have yet to see. Even ten years after seeing them on the Train of Thought tour, they pulled out Finally Free, Space Dye Vest, Overture 1928, Lifting Shadows, and The Shattered Fortress. This last tour, they played 34 songs I had never heard before! ;) I think they've done a remarkable job at rotating songs in that have been neglected over the years for whatever reason. They can keep doing what they're doing and I'll be okay with it. :tup
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I agree with this. But after The Astonishing tour and a few months off, it'll be time to start the next album. Therefore, when the world tour for DT14 starts, any old songs they play should be the songs that are rarely heard like you mentioned. But they will have to play the new album tunes as well.
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I dunno, they've been really good about pulling out deep cuts every tour. I don't think there's a need for a tour entirely focused on lesser played material.
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The Astonishing didn't cost them any good will, wtf? lol
Some people love it, some people are indifferent and some hate it, like with every other album they've put out. The vocal 'hating' minority always tries very hard to make their opinions known throughout the internet, but that doesn't mean they are representative of DT's fanbase as a whole.
On topic, very unlikely for that to happen. I mean, here at DTF you'll find folks who love songs like Don't Look Past Me and Eve to death and that's alright, but the truth is that the grand majority of the fanbase won't know those songs... so if you give'em a concert full of them you'll probably bore them because they don't know anything. Throwing a surprise or two in a show is great, for the diehards like us (Another Won, for example), but that's about it.
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I'm actually fairly sick of TA haters.
We get it, you hate it, alright, I hope DT pulls another album like that (pushing their bundaries) and not an another progassshit 15 minute song with 10 minute instrumental and totally interrupted lyrics (TMOLS, SS, ES, I'm looking at you).
I'm almost certain they'll be pulling a TOT song, it's been a lot of time without one.
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I've seen them on every touring cycle since 2004, and every time they've come to Boston, they have played at least one song that I have yet to see. Even ten years after seeing them on the Train of Thought tour, they pulled out Finally Free, Space Dye Vest, Overture 1928, Lifting Shadows, and The Shattered Fortress. This last tour, they played 34 songs I had never heard before! ;) I think they've done a remarkable job at rotating songs in that have been neglected over the years for whatever reason. They can keep doing what they're doing and I'll be okay with it. :tup
Agreed.
Other than not having rotating setlists, DT has actually had great setlists since MP left. Even those European summer tours, especially that first one in 2011.
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I've seen them on every touring cycle since 2004, and every time they've come to Boston, they have played at least one song that I have yet to see. Even ten years after seeing them on the Train of Thought tour, they pulled out Finally Free, Space Dye Vest, Overture 1928, Lifting Shadows, and The Shattered Fortress. This last tour, they played 34 songs I had never heard before! ;) I think they've done a remarkable job at rotating songs in that have been neglected over the years for whatever reason. They can keep doing what they're doing and I'll be okay with it. :tup
Agreed.
Other than not having rotating setlists, DT has actually had great setlists since MP left. Even those European summer tours, especially that first one in 2011.
Yeah. I think their only sub-par setlist was the 2015 summer tour. That one had some weird choices, but it was nice nevertheless.
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Well, I think you could swap out a song here and there, but playing one song from each album, I thought they did OK.
Wither, Behind The Veil, Constant Motion, Burning My Soul, all hadn't been played since MM joined. I think in the MM era, they've done a great job of featuring many different tracks.
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I think it would serve them well if they didn't do another album right away, and just toured an Evening with...show revisiting much of the past catalog...and for my own selfish desires, completely ignored the Northeast and only toured the South as well as Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah, Alaska and Hawaii.
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Bands that last 30 to 40 years is that they tour behind albums. Keep making albums.
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Bands that last 30 to 40 years is that they tour behind albums. Keep making albums.
There is something to be said for AC/DC releasing every album that sounded exactly like the last album with every song having the same tempo and time signature and probably the same lyrics. There's always a 12 year old out there somewhere that is hearing them for the first time. ;-)
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Lol.
You used the worst example for a band with with new albums. Though, get me liquored up and I'm in it for 2 hours baby!! :lol
Most bands seem energized to play the,new music and keep relevant when they tour behind new albums.
Just my 2 cents.
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Lol.
You used the worst example for a band with with new albums. Though, get me liquored up and I'm in it for 2 hours baby!! :lol
Most bands seem energized to play the,new music and keep relevant when they tour behind new albums.
Just my 2 cents.
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Honest question, but which? I can't think of many bands that have been around for 20+ years that still get psyched about new material.
Dream Theater and Rush.
That's all I got right now.
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Honest question, but which? I can't think of many bands that have been around for 20+ years that still get psyched about new material.
Dream Theater and Rush.
That's all I got right now.
I can think of a few bands like this whose latest album is (IMO) their career best, and several others who have their best album out in a very close past. Amorphis and Paradise Lost are some to name, it's just they're not quite as popular as the bands you mentioned.
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Lol.
You used the worst example for a band with with new albums. Though, get me liquored up and I'm in it for 2 hours baby!! :lol
Most bands seem energized to play the,new music and keep relevant when they tour behind new albums.
Just my 2 cents.
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Lol.
You used the worst example for a band with with new albums. Though, get me liquored up and I'm in it for 2 hours baby!! :lol
Most bands seem energized to play the,new music and keep relevant when they tour behind new albums.
Just my 2 cents.
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Honest question, but which? I can't think of many bands that have been around for 20+ years that still get psyched about new material.
Dream Theater and Rush.
That's all I got right now.
Iron Maiden
Most bands seem energized to play the,new music and keep relevant when they tour behind new albums.
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Next tour should be "An evening of Jam Theater"... they could play new music at every show and release 100 albums in a year :corn:metal :biggrin:
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U2. Is another. They are what drive me. They seem fresh live and for most other older bands Adami, they seem energized by new music.
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I'll add Iron Maiden, Jackson Brown. Tom Petty ect. All I've seen live recently with new music.
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U2. Is another. They are what drive me. They seem fresh live and for most other older bands Adami, they seem energized by new music.
Yep, U2 always plays a ton of new music on their tours, although they were only playing 2-3 songs a night from No Line on the Horizon by the time they hit the 5th leg of the 360 tour, but that was unusual. Moment of Surrender, a new song, was the final song played at nearly every show on each leg of that long tour. Not many bands with that many albums and many years would still have the balls to do that. :tup :tup
And of course Songs of Innocence got heavy rotation at every show last year following its release.
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Fair points! I don't really listen to most of those bands so I was unaware. :)
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Just my experience, bands seem so energetic behind new music compared to just touring.
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Just my experience, bands seem so energetic behind new music compared to just touring.
Guess I was thinking about bands like Metallica or something that tour nothing but classic hits.
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There are plenty like that and it is hadn't seen them in a while I would go. Now Metallica, I haven't seen since 1984. Old man bragging. :lol
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You're so old are you sure it wasn't 1948??
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My dad was 2 so....... :lol
I'd see Buddy Holley in the 50's if I could!
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I wouldn't say that that it SHOULD be that, but if they did it, that would be cool.
But that won't happen.
I definitely agree with all of this. It would be a great idea. The die-hard fans love hearing those obscure tracks thrown into the mix as a surprise, but we haven't had that since MP left, and I don't see it happening again without him in the band. I still want to see Don't Look Past Me played live. It won't happen though. The biggest disappointment of MP leaving are the absence of those rotating setlists and random surprise shows, like doing WDADU or covering an entire album of another band. That is what made collecting the bootlegs intriguing and exciting.
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Lol, so you saw Metallica before DT was even founded?
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And opening for Ozzy on the Master Of Puppets tour. Yup, I'm old. :lol
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Lol, so you saw Metallica before DT was even founded?
And opening for Ozzy on the Master Of Puppets tour. Yup, I'm old. :lol
I envy you...
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And opening for Ozzy on the Master Of Puppets tour. Yup, I'm old. :lol
And I almost did, a story I've told a number of times.
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It was a show that some asshole fan pulled Jake E. Lee by the stockhead into the crowd.
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Oh, is that the one above your fireplace? ;D
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It was a show that some asshole fan pulled Jake E. Lee by the stockhead into the crowd.
Did you mean to say cockhead? :biggrin:
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Would not like to hear current JLB sing Don't Look Past Me. He has come a long way since the accident and sounds great on recent albums, but I can't see him handling that song very well.
I also don't want to see DT touring without an album. The people saying that new music keeps old bands going are right. DT is one of the few bands that are 20+ and still make music I'm interested in. They do 3 hour shows and their setlists typically cover a good chunk of their career. The idea of them putting off a new album and touring without anything new just seems so pointless.
I mean come on, the last tour had Space Dye Vest + a few others from Awake that haven't been played in ages, plus Trial of Tears and the Shattered Fortress. There were plenty "lesser played songs". They take one tour to play a whole new album (which probably isn't going to get much setlist time going forward) and people start saying they don't play enough deep cuts. :lol
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:lol. Stove down cellar suck!
I was shocked seeing it right in front of me.
It was a show that some asshole fan pulled Jake E. Lee by the stockhead into the crowd.
Did you mean to say cockhead? :biggrin:
Jake E was in the wrong profession then.
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Well how obscure are we wanting to get here? I've still had levels of surprise from each tour, for example I didn't really expect 6:00, TGD or TLF to show up in the 2011/12 tours. Not that I was at any of the shows but that cover they did musta been pretty unexpected for those that saw it.
As for the following tour, no one coulda seen TSF or SDV coming (until the surprise wore off from the static setlist I guess). And I feel a few songs like Scarred and ToT were not necessarily expected songs either.
The quick 30th tour? Afterlife and BMS were pretty obscure, not to mention the sections from ACOS. And then we got BTV.
I guess my point it DT still seem to more or less try throw in a few surprises on their sets. Another tour separate from an album release would be an obvious chance to pull out songs like ACOS and Octavarium again but hard to say if we'll ever see the likes of Don't Look Past Me or any Majesty or b side album demos again, that might be too obscure at this point.
I mean come on, the last tour had Space Dye Vest + a few others from Awake that haven't been played in ages, plus Trial of Tears and the Shattered Fortress. There were plenty "lesser played songs".
Okay beat me too it. :azn:
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I dunno, they've been really good about pulling out deep cuts every tour. I don't think there's a need for a tour entirely focused on lesser played material.
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The biggest disappointment of MP leaving are the absence of those rotating setlists and random surprise shows, like doing WDADU or covering an entire album of another band. That is what made collecting the bootlegs intriguing and exciting.
Yeah, easily. I don't even care about bootlegs anymore, and they were at one time my favorite part of DT fandom.
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The biggest disappointment of MP leaving are the absence of those rotating setlists and random surprise shows, like doing WDADU or covering an entire album of another band. That is what made collecting the bootlegs intriguing and exciting.
Yeah, easily. I don't even care about bootlegs anymore, and they were at one time my favorite part of DT fandom.
I stopped collecting as well. I had close a thousand at one point and I would always listen to at least one a day. I still listen to some of the better bootlegs as I do get enjoyment out of them.
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I can't imagine listening to live DT that much. As much as I love JLB as a singer in the studio, he is way too iffy live too often for me to tolerate.
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I can't imagine listening to live DT that much. As much as I love JLB as a singer in the studio, he is way too iffy live too often for me to tolerate.
That, my friend, is very true. However, most of them aren't so bad that the bootlegs are unlistenable.
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I love James too but yeah, when bootleg hunting, James is normally the deciding factor in whether I keep it. To be fair though, when you find a really good performance by him, it tends to be impressive enough it could replace the studio version!
I'm sure other people have thought of this, but I wish I could splice all the best bits from various DT studio and live recordings to make the ultimate versions of each song. Too bad in my mind they're 'ultimate versions' but to everyone else they'd be a mess. :lol