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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Calvin6s on November 15, 2015, 12:24:59 AM
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Holm displayed beautiful boxing skills that turned Rousey into a brawler with wide looping punches.
Too bad pro boxers fight like they don't want to be there. Maybe Holm can inspire them.
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I'm glad Holms won, she deserved it. Now Albuquerque is on fire tonight.
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Wow huge upset. I'm not sure many saw that coming
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I don't follow MMA that closely, but obviously you'd have to be living under a rock to not know about Rousey.
I'm seeing a bunch of "exposed" and "arrogant / poor sport" with Ronda. Wouldn't know how to address that because I don't follow closely enough, so is this just a hipster thing? She's popular, now she's down. Love her, never liked her.
The way she was beat was pretty dominating and hardly a lucky shot. It did make Ronda look amateurish and out of breath very quickly, but a good pop can do that to the best of 'em. I recall being a huge Wladimir Klitschko fan on his way up when Corey Sanders caught him early and sharp enough to make it just a matter of time. And Wladimir went on to dominate heavyweight boxing for over a decade.
Maybe Rousey is on the same trip. Wladimir was overly offensive until he got popped, then became a complete boxer. Maybe the same for Rousey. I will say that I think Wladimir's real problem was all mental (causing an involuntary rush of adrenaline but being too confused and temporarily stunned to use it ... leaving him drained a mere minute later). This didn't seem to be the case with Ronda. It reminded me of a shot old Tyson where all the skill was gone and it was just about brawling and intimidation with no Plan B.
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I don't follow MMA very closely, but from what I understand, Rousey is a grappler, while Holm is a striker. In matchups like this, the grappler normally wins, all other things being equal (which of course they rarely are).
This time the striker won. I didn't expect it, but congrats to her.
But it's not a win for boxing. Not sure what that even means.
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But it's not a win for boxing. Not sure what that even means.
Did you watch the match? Do you know the history of Holm? If not, then don't make declarative statements.
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He talking about the decline of boxing and the rise of MMA Calvin6s and Hef is correct.
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I don't pay much attention to MMA, but Rousey has been everywhere since early this year, and since I always like seeing overly cocky people brought down a peg or two, I was glad to see that she not only lost, but got her ass kicked. Seems like a classic case of someone who believed their own hype and lost their edge.
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Was Rousey over the top with her semantics? I know she had the swagger, but how much of that is just confidence (a necessary component in a game of mental toughness) and how much is marketing? Was she over the top and needed a beatdown or was she just so popular and people like to build them up and break them down?
Watching the actual match, Holm was beautiful with her timing. And it wasn't like Floyd where his timing is all about surviving. Holm was countering *offensively*. And even if Rousey was highly overrated (assumption), that doesn't take away the beautiful breakdown that Holm set up.
And Holm is a past her prime boxer that some say left boxing to avoid facing her successor. One that Rousey has called out. When I heard about the results, I was expecting to see Holm get a lucky shot off, but it was nothing like that. She showed a high degree of skill that took Rousey into an uncomfortable position. It was obvious she broke Rousey mentally and quickly. She quickly put Rousey into desperation mode.
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Yup, Us New Mexico fans wanted it, we got it, and The victory was awesome. If only i was in town then, i bet the bars were loud and maybe giving free stuff.
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But it's not a win for boxing. Not sure what that even means.
Did you watch the match? Do you know the history of Holm? If not, then don't make declarative statements.
Is boxing going to suddenly become more popular in the public mind than MMA? No.
So where is the win? Just because a former boxer had the match of her life?
And I've never found Rousey to be overly cocky. For sure confident and arrogant, but that's part of the game.
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And if you read about her, it's her mechanism, not some "hey look at me, I'm cool!" nonsense. Her dedication and passion for her craft is hard to criticize. For me, I think this is more about "any given Sunday" and an opponent that did her homework and took advantage of her opportunity.
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And if you read about her, it's her mechanism, not some "hey look at me, I'm cool!" nonsense. Her dedication and passion for her craft is hard to criticize. For me, I think this is more about "any given Sunday" and an opponent that did her homework and took advantage of her opportunity.
I agree.
All credit to Holm, she went in and won fair & square.
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So where is the win? Just because a former boxer had the match of her life?
Using boxing skills to achieve her advantage.
If you don't think people aren't talking about the boxing element of this, then you aren't paying attention.
Everybody knows the problem with boxing isn't the boxing. It's the judging, match making and .... overabundance of money (popularity) that keeps those at the top of the game from taking risks.
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I don't pay much attention to MMA, but Rousey has been everywhere since early this year, and since I always like seeing overly cocky people brought down a peg or two, I was glad to see that she not only lost, but got her ass kicked. Seems like a classic case of someone who believed their own hype and lost their edge.
This. Both my brothers are real into MMA and constantly talked about Rousey. So, when I looked in to her and started seeing/reading about her....what she'd say and so on it was apparent that she's pretty cocky and maybe rightfully so given it looked as if no one could touch her.
I think the fame and hype caught up to her and maybe diluted her focus a bit and certainly Holm looked hungry and was the clear dominant fighter in that match. In between rounds when they showed Rousey she looked scared and almost as if she knew there was no way she could beat Holm.
I do think that Rousey will win the re-match handily and I base that only off the fact that there's a good chance now that she's been beaten and knocked off her high horse a bit she'll actually focus on the fight next time and not the late night shows and movie offers.
Happy for Holm though....she seems very humble about winning and grateful to have had the chance to fight Rousey.
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interesting contrast in styles for this fight. Rousey is the top BJJ female out there it seems, but she needs to be close to her opponent for take downs etc. Holm used her boxing skill to keep her at a distance. Now if Rousey works on her wrestling moves for a rematch, we'll have something different to talk about as she can use those to attempt take downs from a distance.
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I wouldn't hold her talk or gameface against her. Contact sports are a lot about getting in somebody's head. MMA and boxing especially.
Heck, I went from an average (maybe even below average) Water Polo player when I played on the Varsity team as a freshman for a game. The dude that usually ended up in my zone talked to me the entire time. I'm gonna fuckin' drown you. God damn I love when I drive my elbow into your scared as shit face.
And the dude wasn't just talking, he was beating the shit out of me. And it is the same way a boxer gets away with an elbow or some other illegal move that isn't even noticed, and if it is, looks like it was just part of awkward movement and nothing intentional. So this guy wasn't getting called on anything. It was an extremely long game for me. And I'm sure I was completely worthless that night because my head was anywhere but the game.
But then I replayed it in my head on the bus ride home and took mental notes. And I became a "clean" dirty player that used intimidation. And almost overnight I went from nothing special to a starter that played almost the entire game (sometimes I did). I remember the Varsity coach (I went back to JV as the Freshman) watching one of my games a few weeks later and saying "When did you get so much better? Keep it up and you are guaranteed Varsity next year." And the majority of that was head games.
So if Rousey is out there saying she's the best ever and could even beat men (or Floyd Mayweather with ease), I'm not sure that's really a bad attitude. What matters is after the first loss, and I hear she's taken it well. But what really matters is when they retire and they are still putting down their opponents. Lennox Lewis is great (bad) at this when he comments on a HW fight. All you hear from him is how much better he is and how he would have beat the loser faster and then finish up the winner on the same night. Nobody wants to hear that from a commentator. It doesn't matter how good they were when active. Pass the torch.
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^^^ This is an ABSOLUTELY integral part of almost any sport. I don't necessarily mean Sunday rec league softball, but certainly when I was playing competitive hockey and soccer, there were certain players that would fold like a house of cards after one hit, and a few choice words. I can remember one hockey game where I went in the corner with a kid and hit him good, then laughed a little and said "Oh, man, you are so lucky I missed you; next time I am going to hit you square", and for the next period or so he pulled up every single time we went in the corner. His coach finally started skipping his shift; they got tired and we won. I've got many stories like this (not all involving me personally).
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Obviously taking trash before a fight isn't uncommon. It has it's place in both building yourself up and trying to get in your opponent's head. I've always thought it was funny when people criticize a fighter for saying they're going to win like they shouldn't be thinking that way. As it pertains to Rhonda Rousey, she's always rubbed me the wrong way for her poor sportsmanship. Chael Sonnen talked heaps of crap before his fights with Anderson Silva, but when it was over they shook hands and it was done with. That happens a lot of the time. Rhonda seems to take it all really personal and won't shake hands after a fight kind of like the Diaz brothers. That attitude is what makes me happy to see her get taken down a peg. Doesn't change the fact that she's an incredible fighter at all.
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I don't judge so much about if the winner shakes the hand, but if the loser does. She was pretty beat up, so she was more in a daze after the fight. But I've heard she has talked as if she fully accepts the loss (which is good considering there was zero controversy on the outcome).
Now if there is a rematch, I wouldn't be surprised if she does the "You only beat me because ..." talk. That's more marketing as I think it no longer intimidates the opponent. It might even do the reverse. It is far more effective to see a beaten foe accept they lost, admit they lost because of their own shortcomings, but they have learned from it and that opening has been closed.
I don't follow Rousey closely enough to know if her head games go beyond the game itself.
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After her second fight with Meisha Tate, she went to shake Rhonda's hand and bury the hatchet and Rhonda wanted nothing to do with it. That always rubbed me the wrong way. She just looked like a poor sport and a bad winner. Brock Lesnar had that same attitude with Frank Mir. Some of these fighters don't realize that some of the trash talk is to sell a fight. That's how Connor McGregor has pretty much made his name. Worked for Chael Sonnen in the same way.
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Interesting. Don't know the history, but my Meisha Tate search returnedthis from Meisha
"I'm f**king stoked," Tate said at the viewing party. "Honestly, f**k Ronda Rousey. F**k her and her nobody has the right to beat her -- well, you just got beat, b**ch."
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There's trash talking like Floyd Mayweather where it comes off annoying, whiney, etc.
But sometimes trash talking can be quite entertaining. For boxing, Ricardo Mayorga was great at it. You could tell he was half serious, half tongue in cheek.
He might not have been ATG material, but his rants and antics were entertaining. Oh, and I guess he beat an MMA fighter with MMA tactics as well.
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I don't watch UFC, but I saw on that chatter about last night's fight, so I had to check it out.
Wow, Rousey got pummeled. She never stood a chance.
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I saw it and yeah it was lopsided for sure. I think its a safe bet that Rousey moves on from UFC into movies/tv and is done fighting for good.
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It reminds me of watching Mike Tyson. Once he lost, it was all mental which I think Rousey is going through and may never come back.
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I remember that Buster Douglas match. I don't think anyone expected Tyson to lose that one and he never fully recovered.
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That's how I feel about Rousey. No Tyson left his longtime trainer Cushion D'Amato. Huge mistake leaving him.
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Wow huge upset. I'm not sure many saw that coming
I thought there was a strong chance that Ronda was going to lose. She kept Edmond on as a coach and it's becoming more and more clear that he doesn't know how to effectively coach her.
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That's how I feel about Rousey. No Tyson left his longtime trainer Cushion D'Amato. Huge mistake leaving him.
Cus D'amato died early in Tyson's professional career. Tyson never would have left him. Damn shame, too. We all lose for not getting to see how he'd have fared had he not gone off the rails.
As for it being all mental, that's certainly a big part of it. You'll never see a better example of intimidation than the Spinks fight. Tyson won that before he even reached the ring.
Mike Tyson Ring Entrance - Mike Spinks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmvfb8al0QEl) You can almost see the will disappear from Spinks as soon as the music changes, and their body language during the introductions tells the whole story.
Tyson was very well skilled, though, and a pretty smart, calculating fighter. While he had never been beaten, he'd certainly had opponents take him the distance and occasionally beat the living hell out of him. I don't think he thought of himself as invincible.
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I agree but once he was beaten, there was something upstairs that was lost. He wasn't the same boxer.
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For anyone interested that's Ronda's corner audio from the fight.
https://dirtyboxing.tumblr.com/post/155196889101/enjoy-the-fight-with-the-audio-of-ronda-rouseys
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I agree but once he was beaten, there was something upstairs that was lost. He wasn't the same boxer.
Lets not forget one thing about Tyson's loss to Buster Douglas. Tyson knocked him out, period. The count on Douglas started a full second late...so when the ref reached 9 it was actually 10 and Douglas stood up still dazed on "9".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNQ18XiEeKs
This doesn't change the fact that once Tyson dumped Rooney as his trainer and surrounded himself with 'yes' men his 'aura' as a fighter was compromised and ultimately finished ....or not to take away that despite that he actually was knocked out by Tyson, Douglas took advantage of the break in the round...regrouped and beat a 70% of what Tyson used to be fighter.
I wish beyond wishes that Holyfield wasn't such a pu$$y that he never fought Tyson in his heyday because IMO there is NOT ONE FIGHTER out there that even in their Heyday could beat Tyson in his. Not one. He was a beast of beasts....hit harder than anyone has ever hit and had a ferocity that no other fighter has had since.
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He probably would have made the count even if it had started on time. My problem is that the ref was too quick to pronounce Douglas good to go. Even with the extra 2 seconds the dude did not have his marbles when he answered the count and a lot of refs might have waived him off for it. In the end I think it was fair, though.
YOur point about Hollyfield is dead on, but that's also one of the knocks against Tyson. There just wasn't anybody in his era that could compete with him. Frazier, Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Norton, Spinks, etc all had to fight each other. Tyson was beating up Trevor Burbecks. Not Tyson's fault, and I think he would have been a great fighter back in the day against all of those guys. It's just a damn shame we never got to see him really test the greatness he possessed.
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We all know the boxing politics. Did I tell you guys I was at the first Ward vs. Gatti fight? Best fight I saw live ever!
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Yep. Holyfield was the only one 'near' his level at the time. I consider the late career fights they had against each other more like novelty circus bouts rather than actual fights.
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That's cause Tyson turned them into a farce by trying to bite Holyfield's ear off because he was getting his ass whipped. :biggrin:
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I feel bad for Ronda, but in the end maybe it is best for her that she step away from the octagon now, if she wants to pursue other opportunities. They won't be lined up around the block like they were before her first lost, but she could still have an amazing career ahead of her outside of MMA.
I of course am still pulling for a Ronda/Steph McMahon match at WM33.
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I of course am still pulling for a Ronda/Steph McMahon match at WM33.
I am against anything that has to do with feeding Stephanie McMahon's ego. Therefore, if Ronda Rousey does get signed to WWE and you know based on their interaction at WM 31, that would be her first big storyline there and I don't want that happening and taking a lot of tv time whilst they have a big ass roster (with WWE's intention of it growing bigger and potentially hurting the growth of other promotions in the process while signing talent) with some very solid talent getting either no TV time or lackluster stories.
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That's cause Tyson turned them into a farce by trying to bite Holyfield's ear off because he was getting his ass whipped. :biggrin:
Ehh. I'll have to agree to disagree about that. If you call holding and grappling 'whipping' him then sure he was 'winning'. Holyfield had. I intention of fighting Tyson. At all. He was collecting a paycheck and grapling him which flustered an already unstable Tyson.
But Holyfield was not whipping his ass. You'd have to throw a punch for that.
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He probably would have made the count even if it had started on time. My problem is that the ref was too quick to pronounce Douglas good to go. Even with the extra 2 seconds the dude did not have his marbles when he answered the count and a lot of refs might have waived him off for it. In the end I think it was fair, though.
YOur point about Hollyfield is dead on, but that's also one of the knocks against Tyson. There just wasn't anybody in his era that could compete with him. Frazier, Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Norton, Spinks, etc all had to fight each other. Tyson was beating up Trevor Burbecks. Not Tyson's fault, and I think he would have been a great fighter back in the day against all of those guys. It's just a damn shame we never got to see him really test the greatness he possessed.
BTW, I should has said when he parted ways with Kevin Rooney. A disciple of Gus.
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He probably would have made the count even if it had started on time. My problem is that the ref was too quick to pronounce Douglas good to go. Even with the extra 2 seconds the dude did not have his marbles when he answered the count and a lot of refs might have waived him off for it. In the end I think it was fair, though.
YOur point about Hollyfield is dead on, but that's also one of the knocks against Tyson. There just wasn't anybody in his era that could compete with him. Frazier, Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Norton, Spinks, etc all had to fight each other. Tyson was beating up Trevor Burbecks. Not Tyson's fault, and I think he would have been a great fighter back in the day against all of those guys. It's just a damn shame we never got to see him really test the greatness he possessed.
BTW, I should has said when he parted ways with Kevin Rooney. A disciple of Gus.
Said it for ya
once Tyson dumped Rooney as his trainer and surrounded himself with 'yes' men his 'aura' as a fighter was compromised and ultimately finished
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Yeah it was when he was backed by Don King things went sideways for him.
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That's cause Tyson turned them into a farce by trying to bite Holyfield's ear off because he was getting his ass whipped. :biggrin:
Ehh. I'll have to agree to disagree about that. If you call holding and grappling 'whipping' him then sure he was 'winning'. Holyfield had. I intention of fighting Tyson. At all. He was collecting a paycheck and grapling him which flustered an already unstable Tyson.
But Holyfield was not whipping his ass. You'd have to throw a punch for that.
Whipping someone's ass doesn't mean you have to do it Rocky IV-style. :P
I would submit that Holyfield's strategy, that did indeed fluster Tyson, did result in an ass whipping. He kicked his ass mentally. Tyson threw a hissy fit in the ring because Holyfield didn't fight the fight Tyson wanted him to.
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Yep. Holyfield was the only one 'near' his level at the time. I consider the late career fights they had against each other more like novelty circus bouts rather than actual fights.
He could have fought Lewis and Bowe but didn't at the time. Both those opponents were better than anyone he fought during his reign. Tyson was an intimidating bad ass but he should have fought both those guys over guys like Frank Bruno. Probably the most talented opponent Tyson ever beat was Razor Rudduck and that really doesn't say a lot.
Spinks was so over matched it was silly.
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Sorry for the bump, but I couldn't find a better thread (if there is one, my bad, mods can move)....
So this is happening:
https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/19637155/floyd-mayweather-conor-mcgregor-megafight-finalized-aug-26
Thoughts? I admittedly know little about MMA and even less about boxing but my read is the obvious one. Since this is a boxing match, Floyd will probably win and Connor is just doing this for a massive payday. Am I missing anything?
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I have no interest in watching two insanely rich ego maniacs beating each other up to become even more rich
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The fact that they are each making $100M off that fight is enough to make me not give a shit.
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I have no interest in watching two insanely rich ego maniacs beating each other up to become even more rich
They won't be beating each other up though. That isn't Floyd's style, and he'll dictate how this match plays out. I know some people have wanted this for years, and if they want to shell out the dough for it, more power to you.
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I'll probably go to a bar and watch. Floyd will probably win, is love to see him do a match with Conner in the octagon.
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It would be awesome if McGregor would knock Maywearher out. I know he can't out box Mayweather, but it'd be great to see him just cold knock him out.
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It would be awesome if McGregor would knock Maywearher out. I know he can't out box Mayweather, but it'd be great to see him just cold knock him out.
Yup. I'd love it, but I honestly see no chance of it happening. We are talking about a guy who is the greatest boxer of his generation (like him or not) boxing a guy who has never fought in a professional boxing match.... Might not go well.
The fact that they are each making $100M off that fight is enough to make me not give a shit.
Why? Pretty much all pro athletes make way more money than they ever should, that's kinda just an unfortunate reality. I agree that it's a cash grab, but in fairness most professional fights are, this one will just get hyped more.
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The fact that they are each making $100M off that fight is enough to make me not give a shit.
Why? Pretty much all pro athletes make way more money than they ever should, that's kinda just an unfortunate reality. I agree that it's a cash grab, but in fairness most professional fights are, this one will just get hyped more.
Yeah...I have no issues with the payday they'll both get. It is what it is. Like Mikey mentioned....ALL professional athlete salaries are entirely too much for what it is they're actually getting paid to do....but, they are getting paid that much for a reason so...good for them.
I'm just hoping for that lightning in a bottle shot to the jaw from McGregor that stuns Mayweather enough to where he then can unload on him and knock him out. I know they're both 'cocky' but Mayweather's level of cocky annoys me more than McGregor's for some reason.
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Yeah...I have no issues with the payday they'll both get. It is what it is. Like Mikey mentioned....ALL professional athlete salaries are entirely too much for what it is they're actually getting paid to do....but, they are getting paid that much for a reason so...good for them.
I'm just hoping for that lightning in a bottle shot to the jaw from McGregor that stuns Mayweather enough to where he then can unload on him and knock him out. I know they're both 'cocky' but Mayweather's level of cocky annoys me more than McGregor's for some reason.
Yup, that's the only way I can see this fight going remotely McGregor's way. Problem is that Floyd is a defensive specialist and Conor is used to taking huge wideups to throw a punch, so I'm not sure he'll get a good one to land.
I do see people online talking about how Conor will get tired and Floyd will just outlast him... I'm not sure that will happen. Conor is in his 20's and fights MMA, the dude is in insane shape and I think he could have the endurance for the fight.
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I do see people online talking about how Conor will get tired and Floyd will just outlast him... I'm not sure that will happen. Conor is in his 20's and fights MMA, the dude is in insane shape and I think he could have the endurance for the fight.
I think the physical advantage is totally McGregor's. I'm sure Mayweather is still in great shape...but you can't combat the aging process. You do begin to 'slip' a bit....there's just no getting around it.
Mayweather's speed and agility that has allowed him to outclass and outbox his previous opponents simply won't be as sharp as they used to be. Not saying they won't be effective....but they won't be what they used to be.
McGregor can take a punch....can Mayweather? McGregor just has to find a way to do something that no one else has been able to do and that is actually 'hit' Mayweather with a solid shot to the head.
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McGregor can take a punch....can Mayweather? McGregor just has to find a way to do something that no one else has been able to do and that is actually 'hit' Mayweather with a solid shot to the head.
I don't want to oversimplify but Conor should be able to take a beating in this context and keep coming. Compared to the beating he takes in MMA, straight up boxing with gloves should be manageable for him from a pain perspective.
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Here's the thing, and it's both a pro and a con for McGregor... he's used to fighting MMA (duh), where you have to be aware of so much more than just punches - kicks, elbows, takedowns etc... So, his opponents also had to concentrate on that when fighting him. Mayweather doesn't. All he has to watch out for is the fists, and he has a career's worth of experience doing it. The fact that McGregor has outclassed his MMA opponents is meaningless here.
One could argue that it's also a 'pro' that McGregor can now focus solely on defending punches, but at what point does instinct kick in, where he just naturally is watching for non-punch attacks. Wonder if Mayweather would feign some MMA like attacks, just to throw McGregor off?
Either way, I'd like to think it's a snowball's chance in hell that McGregor can win, but as Honey Roy Palmer once said "anybody can get lucky".
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Here's the thing, and it's both a pro and a con for McGregor... he's used to fighting MMA (duh), where you have to be aware of so much more than just punches - kicks, elbows, takedowns etc... So, his opponents also had to concentrate on that when fighting him. Mayweather doesn't. All he has to watch out for is the fists, and he has a career's worth of experience doing it. The fact that McGregor has outclassed his MMA opponents is meaningless here.
One could argue that it's also a 'pro' that McGregor can now focus solely on defending punches, but at what point does instinct kick in, where he just naturally is watching for non-punch attacks. Wonder if Mayweather would feign some MMA like attacks, just to throw McGregor off?
Either way, I'd like to think it's a snowball's chance in hell that McGregor can win, but as Honey Roy Palmer once said "anybody can get lucky".
I don't disagree with any of that.
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I heard that McGregor was a boxer very early on. I don't think he has the skills yet to match up with a #1 boxer like Mayweather. The money is too good to pass up though.
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Here's the thing, and it's both a pro and a con for McGregor... he's used to fighting MMA (duh), where you have to be aware of so much more than just punches - kicks, elbows, takedowns etc... So, his opponents also had to concentrate on that when fighting him. Mayweather doesn't. All he has to watch out for is the fists, and he has a career's worth of experience doing it. The fact that McGregor has outclassed his MMA opponents is meaningless here.
One could argue that it's also a 'pro' that McGregor can now focus solely on defending punches, but at what point does instinct kick in, where he just naturally is watching for non-punch attacks. Wonder if Mayweather would feign some MMA like attacks, just to throw McGregor off?
Either way, I'd like to think it's a snowball's chance in hell that McGregor can win, but as Honey Roy Palmer once said "anybody can get lucky".
I don't disagree with any of that.
Nor should you - or anyone for that matter. It was a brilliantly worded post! :lol
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There's a good chance this will end up being a circus, but regardless- here's my money!
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Nor should you - or anyone for that matter. It was a brilliantly worded post! :lol
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:lol
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I'll disagree. Come at me. :glassjoe:
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I'll disagree. Come at me. :glassjoe:
I contemplated using that emot... but there's got to be a reason for the "glass".
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You do know the character, right? https://punchout.wikia.com/wiki/Glass_Joe
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You do know the character, right? https://punchout.wikia.com/wiki/Glass_Joe
Oh that's right! The emote doesn't look a thing like him!