How can a song have "too many" choruses? :lol All of those songs in that list have clear choruses that you've pointed out yourself
The Great Debate - "Turn to the light" I would say is Chorus 1, and "Are you justified" is Chorus 2.
Endless Sacrifice - Has sort of a Chorus A, Chrous AB, Chorus B structure, so A would be. The whole "Try to stay alive until I hear your voice" is the chorus A for that one, I'd say. And I guess "Moments Wasted, Isolated" would be Chorus B for this one.
Panic Attack - Same as above. Chorus A is "Why do I feel so numb" and Chorus B would be "Helpless Hysteria"
That's how I see them.
How can a song have "too many" choruses? :lol All of those songs in that list have clear choruses that you've pointed out yourself
So, which one is the chorus in those songs: The Glass Prison, Octavarium, The Best of Times and In the Presence of Enemies - pt 3-6 ??..
Metropolis, you could argue has a couple of different ones, but I think the closest one is the section that goes "There's no more freedom..." and later "The city's cold blood teaches us to survive..."
[Before the fade out] "There's no more freedom..." and later [Before the instrumental section] "The city's cold blood teaches us to survive..."
As for Surrounded, it's the bit that ends with "Let the light surround you..." if you notice, that melody and chord sequence actually recurs in the soft intro and outro as well, making it a strong recurring theme.
I always thought of the first vocal melody you hear in OAMOT as the chorus. "A suited man smiled and said "It's just a matter of time...""
If we agree about the similarities of Outcry with Metropolis pt 1.....
If we agree about the similarities of Outcry with Metropolis pt 1.....
Which we don't. Square peg, round hole.
There is no chorus in Metropolis. Shouldn't a chorus by definition have at least some repeated lines?
If we agree about the similarities of Outcry with Metropolis pt 1.....
Which we don't. Square peg, round hole.
There is no chorus in Metropolis. Shouldn't a chorus by definition have at least some repeated lines?
Anyway, neither do I think Metropolis has a chorus..
One thing to dispel the "similarity" between Metropolis and Outcry is, in fact, the presence of a chorus in Outcry. No such animal in Metropolis.
One thing to dispel the "similarity" between Metropolis and Outcry is, in fact, the presence of a chorus in Outcry. No such animal in Metropolis.
One thing to dispel the "similarity" between Metropolis and Outcry is, in fact, the presence of a chorus in Outcry. No such animal in Metropolis.
But of course, those who want so desperately for them to have the exact same structure, will keep hammering in the idea that the choruses of Outcry are parallel to certain parts of Metropolis anyway.
If we agree about the similarities of Outcry with Metropolis pt 1.....
Which we don't. Square peg, round hole.
There is no chorus in Metropolis. Shouldn't a chorus by definition have at least some repeated lines?
Not necessarily, there are examples within the DT discog of variation in chorus'. Eg. Voices, A Rite of Passage, Endless Sacrifice, Innocence Faded. All feature altered chorus' to varying degrees either with slight melody variation and/or completely different lyrics. I'm not even saying we can absolutely determine what the Chorus is in Metropolis or whether it has one or not but there is a featured recurring motif that funnily enough is also what the Home chorus stems from. Coincidence that the chorus of that song is influenced by this particular melody too? Maybe. Thing is, remember that the circle can sometimes fit inside the square even if the square can't fit the circle. :P
For ANTR, I'd call them both choruses (actually, I'd say the "hopelessly drifting" lines are the pre-chorus, with the chorus itself starting on "in peaceful sedation"). I don't think there's any rule that repeating more lines makes it more prominent of a chorus, and I don't see any structural problem in that regard having multiple choruses.
If we go by the characterization of chorus as including repeating lines (not just melodies), Disappear also appears not to have any chorus.
If we go by the characterization of chorus as including repeating lines (not just melodies), Disappear also appears not to have any chorus.
At least I'd don't go by that definition..
I understand this as the chorus of Disappear:A day like today
My whole world has been changed
Nothing you say
Will help ease my pain
Days disappear
And my world keeps changing
I feel you here
And it keeps me sane
The city, it calls to me, decadent scenes from my memory,
Sorrow, eternity, my demons are coming to drown me,
Help, I'm falling, I'm crawling, I can't keep away from its clutch,
Can't have it, this habit, it's calling me back to my home,
Her ecstasy, means so much to me, even deceiving my own blood,
Victoria watches and thoughtfully smiles, she's taking me to my home,
Help, he's my bother, but I love her, I can't keep away from her touch,
Deception, dishonor, it's calling me back to my home,
Her story, it holds the key, unlocking dreams from my memory,
Solving this mystery is everything that is a part of me,
Help, regression, obsession, I can't keep away from its clutch,
Leave no doubt, to find out, it's calling me back to my home.
In Hollow Years, the "carry me to the shoreline...." bit is a pre-chorus (which as you say act like a bridge between verse and chorus without being part of the chorus itself), and "Once the stone...." is the chorus.
I'm really not sure how to classify the "This world is spinning around me," parts of PMU. There's 3 of them, they all have some variation in the lyrics, and they almost come off as pre-choruses, except that the first one doesn't actually preceed a chorus, and even the latter two have a brief instrumental section separating them from the choruses. Would they be considered "Chorus A" whereas "Pull me under I'm not afraid," be Chorus B? I'm honestly not sure.
I dont know what youre talking about, The chorus in Metropolis has always been for me the: "As a child..." part. Its one of the most powerful moments in the song and one of the most memorable chord proggresions in the song, they repeat them at the ending of the song, and even throughout the SFAM album, you can almost say that the chords in Home's chorus are the same as in the chorus in Metropolis just with some minor changes.... But even if thats not the chorus, I love that part :biggrin:
Don't care enough about OAMOT or SDV to check.
Well, I'M an Awake fan, but don't like SDV (don't care about it either).. With this last tour, the song has grown a little on me, but not enough to get to like it..
Anyway, the point is: you can be a "fan" of something (album, band), not exactly liking everything on it (a song, an album).. IMO, at least..
Learning To Live, where I'd say "The way the heart sounds" part is the chorus. It only repeats in the song twice, and even the melodic pattern of it changes, but the fact that it does repeat, and that it states the song's title, I think it counts.
ITPOE1, I'd say the "Do you still wait for your God," all the way through, "Promise you will be the chosen one," is the chorus of the song. Even though the second time around, the lyrics are vastly altered. The melodic pattern and the way it works within the song's context, I'd say it counts as a chorus. "Do you still wait for your God and the symbol of your faith," brief as it is, might even be considered a pre-chorus.
the fact that it does repeat, and that it states the song's title, I think it counts.
But those two features are in several other DT choruses.. Like Under a Glass Moon (only the second feature), Lost Not Forgotten (these two have exactly the same structure ;)), Peruvian Skies (the second feature), Beyond this Life (both), The Spirit Carries On (the second one), Misunderstood (the second), The Answer Lies Within (second), Outcry (first), The Enemy Inside (second)..Right... So those are all their choruses. Hence why I consider the one in LTL the chorus as well. The only thing that really sets it apart is that the first one just goes, "spread before me is my soul, I'm learning to live, I won't give up til I've no more to give, no more to give," and the second time, it goes, "spread before you is your soul, so forever hold the dreams within our hearts, with nature's inflexible grace I'm learning to live". So there, even the structure is different. But I'd still count it.
Yeah, I agree with this.. It's very ambiguos and undetermined.. In fact, that kind of chorus is the same that in The Glass Prison.. "Help Me - Save Me - Heal Me".. I always like the way it seems to end, but continues..I'd say Servants of the fallen to be more of a bridge... But it depends on whether you consider ITPOE 1 and 2 to be separate songs or the same one, because it does reoccur in part 2, so it can definitely be counted as a chorus in that context. But if you look at ITPOE1 just by itself, it definitely doesn't act like a chorus in that context.
About ItPoE pt 1, one more thing.. I also consider this: "Servants of the fallen..." to "...Standing in their way" as the main chorus of the whole two songs (or tracks :smiley:).. Anyway, if it is, then it'd be a weird chorus, I know.. There's something strange on it, very peculiar.. I completely love it.. Specially the "through a veil of madness" part in The Slaughter of the Damned...
Here you have two songs with, I think, unquestionable choruses, but with only one appearance on them: One Last Time (maybe that's why they've called it that way ::)) and About to Crash (Reprise), which we know it's not a song, but also that is a special case, along with the rest of the movements within SDoIT.. However, while by themselves it's clear they have their choruses appearing only one time throughout the song, those choruses are repeated in some other place, earlier or later in the album they are.. One Last Time's chorus is on Finally Free and About to Crash (Reprise)'s chorus is on About to Crash, two times in this case..
when I listened to About to Crash for the first time, I didn't consider that part a chorus (we are talking about "still it hurts to just get by" part, right?), because after it, we move on to War inside my Head, so it really gives About to Crash the appearance of not having a chorus at all, until 10+ minutes later when you hear the reprise and that part comes up again, and then it suddenly clicks.
But structurally, it doesn't act like a chorus.
Songs without a specific chorus, or with too many:
-The Killing Hand (there's not one I can notice)
-The Glass Prison ("Crawling to my glass prison..." / "Help Me - Save Me - Heal Me")
-Octavarium (Medicate Me's / Full Circles')
-The Best of Times ("I'll always remember..." / "These were the best of times...")
-In the Presence of Enemies - pt 3-6 ("Angels fall - Dark Master" / "I judge as my eyes see...")
I agree with all of that.. Except this:No, I mean, I didn't consider About To Crash as having any choruses at all, until I heard it in the reprise. Sorry, I didn't clarify.
I mean, if you don't think, considering SDoIT as one song, in that part ("Still it hurts to just get by...") as a chorus, you can't consider SDoIT to have any chorus at all.. What about the choruses on War Inside My Head, Goodnight Kiss, Solitary Shell and Losing Time (in which the chorus appears one time, I forgot to mention it before)?.. Because all this are part of the same song too.. I've always hear it as a chorus on itself.. Like in the case of Full Circle (one chorus), or Heretic (two choruses), having their own choruses even being part of a greater track...
Songs without a specific chorus, or with too many:
-The Killing Hand (there's not one I can notice)
-The Glass Prison ("Crawling to my glass prison..." / "Help Me - Save Me - Heal Me")
-Octavarium (Medicate Me's / Full Circles')
-The Best of Times ("I'll always remember..." / "These were the best of times...")
-In the Presence of Enemies - pt 3-6 ("Angels fall - Dark Master" / "I judge as my eyes see...")