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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: rumborak on August 08, 2014, 04:37:13 PM
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These days any DT concert has multiple camera angles for the big screens, and the sound is minutely controlled.
If you could log onto a YouTube channel any day they're playing, would you subscribe for a fee? How much would you be willing to pay?
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That would be cool, but I probably wouldn't use it near as much as I say I would. So I probably wouldn't do it. I already have Score and the earlier releases so that keeps me happy.
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I have to admit, if MP was still around, or if they chose to constantly rotate set lists without him, and every time we'd get a new set of songs, I'd probably do it. But especially given the current setlist being completely unchanging, there's only so many times I could listen to the same group of songs in a row.
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Depends on the cost, but probably not. I wouldn't have time to watch that many concerts.
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Sure.
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I can catch one or two but paying for a monthly (or much) stream seems to me needles. I can watch concert videos afterwards anyway.
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It would depend on the cost, but I'd be all for it, of course. But again, when it comes to live shows and their recordings I am not the average fan.
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HOLY SHIT YES OMG
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Obviously there are a few questions like cost etc. But to the question - yes.
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Pay for just the first show and just stick it on repeat for the rest of the tour, bingo. Honestly, I wouldn't see the need to watch more than 1 show from the tour given their current habits (same setlist played to a click track every night), but if they rotated their songs again, then sure!
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Pay for just the first show and just stick it on repeat for the rest of the tour, bingo. Honestly, I wouldn't see the need to watch more than 1 show from the tour given their current habits (same setlist played to a click track every night), but if they rotated their songs again, then sure!
Pretty much this. Wouldn't mind paying a flat rate per show but I don't think there'd be much value in subscribing for a length of time.
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I have to admit, if MP was still around, or if they chose to constantly rotate set lists without him, and every time we'd get a new set of songs, I'd probably do it. But especially given the current setlist being completely unchanging, there's only so many times I could listen to the same group of songs in a row.
This. For bands (like DT now) who use more or less the same set every night, I'm happy just waiting for the tour DVD or a good bootleg to pop up. If they were rotating I'd be all over something like this though.
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I dig me a good live stream every now and then, but for a subscription and the setlist doesn't change? I don't know. I was lucky enough to watch Alter Bridge's and Metallica's Rock AM Ring stream for free and watch them perform again two weeks later (AB at Graspop, Metallica at Glastonbury) and both bands pretty much had the same set each time. Whist it was great to watch those sets, I might have enjoyed it again a 3rd time, but it could have been overkill.
It would be great to watch DT's set and then watch that set again, two weeks later, but the line has to be drawn somewhere and, uhhh, if they don't the setlist, I can't really see myself putting a certain fee for that. Sad but true.
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(You can take this as a yes)
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If it was the MP days, with rotating setlists, and differences for every show, maybe. It's a good idea.
For their current non-rotating setlists and identical shows, I don't think it would be worth the money to subscribe to see more than one. If I could pay to see just one show, then I still would.
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No.
But I'm a little unusual. I generally don't watch many concert videos at all. For me, the main attraction of concerts is being a part of the live atmosphere myself, and watching recorded performances just isn't the same. If I'm going to be sitting at home listening to music, I usually prefer the polish of studio versions.
It's a cool idea, though. I'm sure a lot of people would be all over it.
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I have to admit, if MP was still around, or if they chose to constantly rotate set lists without him, and every time we'd get a new set of songs, I'd probably do it. But especially given the current setlist being completely unchanging, there's only so many times I could listen to the same group of songs in a row.
This.
I could pay like 20 bucks a year but not much more.
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I would be for the service even if my don't use it. Why? Well, assuming most or a good chunk of the revenue goes to the band, and enough people use it, that might end up, in the long run, reducing actual concert ticket costs by a bit. If not, then the band makes more money, and could potentially end up with even bigger and better enhancements to their shows, like bringing some guest musicians on for an entire tour, or making a very elaborate show to bring around the world ie. Roger Waters' The Wall shows?
As for if I'd use it, if the price isn't too much, I would do it. On a tour like this where they don't change the set, I might not watch it AS much as if it was rotating, but I still enjoy hearing different shows that have different crowds and different performances, even if the changes are minute with the static set and click track. It would likely guarantee better quality than fan bootlegs too, not that there isn't some great fan bootlegs out there, and I would still support bootlegging. If there was a particular live-streamed show that I thought was worth keeping like a very special performance where something unexpected happens, or someone does a particularly outstanding performance (especially if its JLB) then I would still get a bootleg to save the show, even if the live-streamed shows are recorded to watch later, like what some users on twitch do.
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Why? Well, assuming most or a good chunk of the revenue goes to the band, and enough people use it, that might end up, in the long run, reducing actual concert ticket costs by a bit.
Let me guess, you're not an economics major :lol
That's not how those things work.
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No way I would do this on a subscription basis, since every show is exactly like every other show.
But if you could pay per show, then yes, I would. For one show.
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Even though I think the current setlist is only inferior to that legendary 3 hour long concert in 2000 in NYC, I wouldn't pay a (probably) huge chunk of money to listen to the same songs each evening. A rotation like at the last tour would be great but we all should know that this tour was an exception (the anniversaries) and I think they'll go back to rotations at the next album's tour. If that thing starts again, I'd gladly pay for a weekly or monthly subscription.
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I have to admit, if MP was still around, or if they chose to constantly rotate set lists without him, and every time we'd get a new set of songs, I'd probably do it. But especially given the current setlist being completely unchanging, there's only so many times I could listen to the same group of songs in a row.
This.
I could pay like 20 bucks a year but not much more.
I'd pay more. Especially back in the 90s with the whole Nicky Lemons and Nightmare Cinema thing going on. It seemed like a really fun time to be a DT fan, because you never know what you'd get going to see them live. :lol
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If it was the MP days, with rotating setlists, and differences for every show, maybe. It's a good idea.
For their current non-rotating setlists and identical shows, I don't think it would be worth the money to subscribe to see more than one. If I could pay to see just one show, then I still would.
Exactly this.
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If it was the MP days, with rotating setlists, and differences for every show, maybe. It's a good idea.
For their current non-rotating setlists and identical shows, I don't think it would be worth the money to subscribe to see more than one. If I could pay to see just one show, then I still would.
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Why? Well, assuming most or a good chunk of the revenue goes to the band, and enough people use it, that might end up, in the long run, reducing actual concert ticket costs by a bit.
Let me guess, you're not an economics major :lol
That's not how those things work.
No, I'm not. :lol I was just thinking aloud. I think my later points still stand valid though, no?
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I just saw Umphrey's McGee live last night and they do this but like Blob stated, no rotating set list kills that idea now.
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I just saw Umphrey's McGee live last night and they do this but like Blob stated, no rotating set list kills that idea now.
Had the stream happened in the occasion of the 2004 tour, would you have subscribed?
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Oh yeah! It only works if there is a rotating set list. With the advent of the new stage show, less songs can be changed in and changed out. If Rush is their new model live, they should do what Rush does. They leave about 4 songs to change out that have nothing to do with the stage show so put the guys playing on the main screen.
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I was really surprised that after the long break they changed nothing for the 2nd European leg. It used to be that you could safely go twice for a given tour (and I always did that, since they always came twice to Boston), but these days that's not really worth it.
And as you say, there's really no requirement for each song to have a synchronized video. Show the guys on the screen, or a pretty screensaver, and then have the spot be the rotating one.
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I was really surprised that after the long break they changed nothing for the 2nd European leg. It used to be that you could safely go twice for a given tour (and I always did that, since they always came twice to Boston), but these days that's not really worth it.
For what worth is my opinion, it was worth it.
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I think you still have that exuberant excitement about the band (which I used to have way back when!). These days they're just one of the bands I like, but not enough to watch exactly them same show again, down to the millisecond.
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I dunno, this years setlist is maybe one of their best. Would it really be that bad to see it twice? Honestly I'd happily see this setlist twice instead of two rotating ones, neither of which would probably be nearly as good as this one.
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I support this with a but. In order to keep the content interesting the band would have to switch the setlist up every once in a while, which doesn't seem to fit their current interests. But since this is a hypothetical, sure, I'm all for it!
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Certainly NOT for this tour, and unless it was rotating setlists in the future, a big fat NO! :tdwn
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I can just barely find time to watch the odd concert DVD I buy once in a while, so I don't think I'd be interested in paying for something like this.
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No thanks, I'm happy enough with official releases and Youtube videos.
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I visit this forum just about every day, so I'd probably watch an entire tour online. Allow me to explain:
There is a virtual concert experience in development that brings a forum like this into the 3D space of a live concert. Imagine if we gathered every day in a virtual representation of the venue where DT played, we could interact with each other and walk around this rendered space via an avatar -- the show would start and on the stage transforms into a live feed of the band (not a digital representation, but the actual band captured on a 360 camera). We can walk around the venue and experience the show from different angles - talk to each other like we do here.
More importantly, its a community of fans just like this forum. I've always wanted to watch DT at Wembley Arena and this technology creates that experience in a virtual setting, but the performance is streamed into the forum in real time as a video feed.
I think its a cool idea that enhances what Rumby proposed. The technology exists and works now, but it needs some continued development. At some point it would be great to bring this to DT management to see if they might embrace it because it seems ideal for this fan base.
Of course, a rotating setlist wouldn't hurt either.
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^^^ Interesting throught, I'll give you that. ;) Although perhaps a little futuristic. Even if we're not technologically limited, but there'd need to be the existence of a viable market that's interested in that sort of thing.
My first thought, and the short answer to the topic question is; Yes.
Long answer would be; probably not at the moment. The unchanging setlist is a bit of dealbreaker regarding this concept. It'd be interesting and I'd probably occasionally still check out the shows but I don't think it's justifiable if you only end up watching 1 or 2 streams.
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No, every show is exactly the same, and scripted, right down to vocal harmonies being piped in. These days if I don't like the set of the first show, I know in advance I probably don't need a ticket.
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Yes, if the setlists weren't IDENTICAL for almost every performance. It wouldn't really be worth it, for 3 hours of the same music.
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As others have said, in the past I probably would have enjoyed this sort of thing with the rotating setlists and so on. Not much point now though. I'll go to the London show that they play and I'll get the same show (pretty much) as everyone else!
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Funny, the bootleg traders love to record every show regardless of the setlist. Anyone from that camp have an opinion on this topic?
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Funny, the bootleg traders love to record every show regardless of the setlist. Anyone from that camp have an opinion on this topic?
Yeah. generally, though, the bootlegs are recorded by different people. The traders generally don't have all the shows from a tour. Just they're all out there.
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No.
I prefer that they pick one show every tour and make a blu ray out of it with good production values. And maybe a different show with the 3D camera's, as I love that app.
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If it was the MP days, with rotating setlists, and differences for every show, maybe. It's a good idea.
For their current non-rotating setlists and identical shows, I don't think it would be worth the money to subscribe to see more than one. If I could pay to see just one show, then I still would.
This. But even then it would get boring pretty quick after you saw all the songs once.
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If it was the MP days, with rotating setlists, and differences for every show, maybe. It's a good idea.
For their current non-rotating setlists and identical shows, I don't think it would be worth the money to subscribe to see more than one. If I could pay to see just one show, then I still would.
This. But even then it would get boring pretty quick after you saw all the songs once.
Getting to see the concert even once is a nice thing when they don't have a very good track record of coming to your country though. :P
I prefer that they pick one show every tour and make a blu ray out of it with good production values. And maybe a different show with the 3D camera's, as I love that app.
This. Which is pretty much what they've been doing lately. I dunno if a live stream would be very representative of the show. And I dunno if it'd sound polished enough for the band's standards because a live stream will still sound very different to being physically at a live show. It really would need re-mixing (most of the time) to balance out the sound levels of all the instruments.
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If it was the MP days, with rotating setlists, and differences for every show, maybe. It's a good idea.
For their current non-rotating setlists and identical shows, I don't think it would be worth the money to subscribe to see more than one. If I could pay to see just one show, then I still would.
This. But even then it would get boring pretty quick after you saw all the songs once.
Getting to see the concert even once is a nice thing when they don't have a very good track record of coming to your country though. :P
That's what live releases are for, my friend! They're not a live stream, but if you're not actually there, I don't think that matters so much. And the live releases are much better quality for mixing and editing to give you the best experience of the show.
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Exactly! Quite looking forward to this Boston Opera House release for the very reason that they haven't come by our neck of the woods yet again..! :(
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If I could own the copies yes, but I'm not paying for a subscription service to stream it. Produce something of value and I'm all for it.
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Funny, the bootleg traders love to record every show regardless of the setlist. Anyone from that camp have an opinion on this topic?
Most of the traders I know who used to attend more than one concert per leg stopped taping all of them because of the static setlist. Thankfully not all of them, as our friend and hero FrostbiteZ can confirm. :)
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Funny, the bootleg traders love to record every show regardless of the setlist. Anyone from that camp have an opinion on this topic?
Most of the traders I know who used to attend more than one concert per leg stopped taping all of them because of the static setlist. Thankfully not all of them, as our friend and hero FrostbiteZ can confirm. :)
I've noticed that. Still looking for a boot of an evening at Sheffield City hall. That was the concert I attended for this leg. (Can't afford any more :sad:) and I can't find one anywhere!