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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: Skeever on July 25, 2014, 05:03:21 PM
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What would you do? Convince Kevin Moore to stay? Convince MP not to leave?
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The very first thing that came to mind was the food poisoning incident with JLB. I would prevent that for sure.
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The very first thing that came to mind was the food poisoning incident with JLB. I would prevent that for sure.
This.
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For the most part it's all good. If a band member is done with their band, it's best to not prolong the inevitable.
I would have liked to have seen another album with DS. I think that could have been good.
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For the most part it's all good. If a band member is done with their band, it's best to not prolong the inevitable.
I would have liked to have seen another album with DS. I think that could have been good.
So what would you do, kidnap JR?
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I have no idea :lol It's not that I had a specific plan of attack in mind when I wrote my post. I just think the configuration with DS would have been nice to be explored more.
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I don't know about "change", but I would probably travel back to after the release of 6DOIT and try to encourage the band to take more risks and experiment more with their music. I think quality aside (some people on the forum loves the more latter releases, others feel the opposite way), I still think it's safe to say that DT used to be more adventurous back in the day. I&W was the big classic, Awake did not try to replicate the same formula, and for good or bad it came out different. FII was bothered by studio interferences and it also has a unique charm of its own. Scenes From a Memory was just epic, being a concept album and all. 6DOIT had the very ambitious themes and pulling off a 42 minute song was quite epic.
I feel like they have played it very safe since then. It's not like they need to change, and I would imagine at the age they're at, it's comfortable playing to your sure bets, because you know many of the fans are along for the ride. (no pun intended) Still, there's so much talent in these guys that I would have loved seeing them do more experimental things, or at least take bigger risks. Maybe encourage them to make a Metropolis Part 3 album.
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The very first thing that came to mind was the food poisoning incident with JLB. I would prevent that for sure.
This.
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The very first thing that came to mind was the food poisoning incident with JLB. I would prevent that for sure.
Yeah, probably this. I would also like to convince MP that he would regret leaving the band, but I doubt he would have taken anyone's advice not to leave at that time.
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Probably wouldn't change anything. But so far people have mentioned 2 things that spark my interest:
- I would be dead curious what DT would've sounded like if the retained the pre-food poisoned Labrie.
- And I would also have been super curious what another album with DS would have been like.
But those changes would probably still have too significant of an an effect on the way the band is now; so mere curiosities really, not exactly a wishlist.
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Absolutely the food poisoning incident. Regardless of how JLB bounced back from it, no singer should ever have to go through something like that.
Another thing would be stopping them from going with that original crappy record deal. I've always been curious what their career would've been like if they'd been given the right amount of label attention, right from the get-go, and managed to release a hit album while still in the 80s.
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I would have liked to have seen another album with DS. I think that could have been good.
The chances of it touching SFAM/SDOIT are zero imo, so I don't see the point.
I'd probably convince MP not to leave DT.
Avoiding the food poisoning incident would also be a great one, however in the long run, I've been happy with the vocals on all of their studio albums, the 3 albums directly after the incident are all in my top 4, and JLB has recovered so well to the point I'd say he's at as good as he would have been had nothing happened.
So completely selfishly speaking, that one wouldn't be as high priority for me.
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I would have liked to have seen another album with DS. I think that could have been good.
The chances of it touching SFAM/SDOIT are zero imo, so I don't see the point.
In my time-travel scenario the creation of SFAM is only delayed. All we get is one more DS album.
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I would have convinced MP to keep his "vocals" out of A Nightmare to Remember. :lol
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I would have liked to have seen another album with DS. I think that could have been good.
The chances of it touching SFAM/SDOIT are zero imo, so I don't see the point.
In my time-travel scenario the creation of SFAM is only delayed. All we get is one more DS album.
Not a very realistic time travel scenario, but if hypothetically we were just getting another DT album somewhat between FII and SFAM musically speaking, I guess I'd be down with that. I'd actually love to hear DT write a more FII style album now.
I would have convinced MP to keep his "vocals" out of A Nightmare to Remember. :lol
Fuck that, I'd convince him to have gone the whole way instead of half assing it because of the inevitable bunch of bitching prog fans. :biggrin:
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This thread made me think of a sadistic hypothetical:
If you could prevent Portnoy's mom from dying in that plane crash, but as a result remove A Change of Seasons from existence, would you?
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This thread made me think of a sadistic hypothetical:
If you could prevent Portnoy's mom from dying in that plane crash, but as a result remove A Change of Seasons from existence, would you?
I'd do it to save Portnoy's mother. Removing ACOS from existence would just be a bonus. :biggrin:
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I think things mostly worked out the way they should. I'm fairly satisfied with their body of work.
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I would cut the Misunderstood solos and Losing Time synth fadeout and make SDOIT one disk. :lol
I don't know that I would change much, as I wouldn't want it to alter the course they're on now, because I'm very happy with their catalog. It's still a cool idea though.
I might convince the band to hire James before WDADU, or like a lot of people have said, stop the food poisoning incident. Some other ideas are interesting to, but like Rodni said, it's more of a curiosity.
I think things mostly worked out the way they should. I'm fairly satisfied with their body of work.
Absolutely.
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Rather than convince MP not to leave DT, I'd rather attempt to convince the guys to actually take the hiatus when he proposed it.
Not a 5 year hiatus, but I actually think a year or two of doing nothing whatsoever related to DT would have done wonders for the band, their creativity and their personal relationships. If they had, they would probably be back in business by now anyway and we'd have a shiny new album to talk about from the line-up that brought us SFAM, SDOIT, 8V etc :)
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Not a very realistic time travel scenario
So who's the king geek around here?
You, for typing such a sentence in a thread like this.
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Love you, BVD
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Of course the food poisoning (oh God how I wish that never happened), definitely not convince Mike to stay- I like both drummers a LOT so it's right the way it worked out.
But one thing I would also do is convince them to rerecord WDADU with James in 92-93. Not only is that album one of my favorite albums that is unfairly deprived of a really good recording, but the way James sang those songs back then are some of the best vocal performances EVER, which all would have fit the album amazingly. His enhanced vocal melodies are something to behold.
When I'm rich beyond my wildest dreams I think I'm gonna get a group of my band guys to record that album note for note with perfect production and with the inclusion of all the best good additions that have been made to the songs in live DT performances. And I'll be the singer and use all the things that James added to the songs (oh yea and I'm a world-class phenomenal singer too).
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Convince MP not to leave?
Oh no, not this again. Waaaaaaaa... Boo hoo.
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Food poisoning for sure.
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I would try to talk them out of Raw Dog.
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I'm glad we collectively got over Kevin Moore in Dream Theater :lol Maybe that means we'll get over MP in about fifteen years :biggrin:
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I'm glad we collectively got over Kevin Moore in Dream Theater :lol
I've yet to see the evidence for that!
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I'm glad we collectively got over Kevin Moore in Dream Theater :lol
I've yet to see the evidence for that!
In 25 replies, no "BRING BACK KEVIN MOORE", I'd say that's good enough :)
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I would make James LaBrie re-record "Solitary Shell" so he sounded less like Green Day. Seriously, listen to it again: "As a boy he was considered somewhat odd / Kept to himself most of the time." All I hear is freakin' Green Day, and it's really distracting. Because I hate Green Day. Ick.
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It's impossible to change the past through time-travel, otherwise the past would have been different. But maybe it's the case that a member of DTF has already influenced the band in some way and has yet to discover that fact in the present. In that case, whoever it turns out to be should go back and pitch them SFAM. :biggrin:
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I would make James LaBrie re-record "Solitary Shell" so he sounded less like Green Day. Seriously, listen to it again: "As a boy he was considered somewhat odd / Kept to himself most of the time." All I hear is freakin' Green Day, and it's really distracting. Because I hate Green Day. Ick.
Oh, wow, I actually hear it now. I don't mind though. If it was a little more uptempo and upbeat, that part, it would be even more Green Day-ish.
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I would have convinced MP to keep his "vocals" out of A Nightmare to Remember. :lol
Fuck that, I'd convince him to have gone the whole way instead of half assing it because of the inevitable bunch of bitching prog fans. :biggrin:
THIS. The live versions with actual growls sound significantly better.
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Absolutely the food poisoning incident. Regardless of how JLB bounced back from it, no singer should ever have to go through something like that.
I would have convinced MP to keep his "vocals" out of A Nightmare to Remember. :lol
These.
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Fuck that, I'd convince him to have gone the whole way instead of half assing it because of the inevitable bunch of bitching prog fans. :biggrin:
Actually, yeah. Imagine telling him that people would bitch anyway so he should just go for it.
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Make them stick with David Prater.
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Make them stick with David Prater.
Why? So MP would've left the band 10 years sooner? :lol
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I don't know about "change", but I would probably travel back to after the release of 6DOIT and try to encourage the band to take more risks and experiment more with their music. I think quality aside (some people on the forum loves the more latter releases, others feel the opposite way), I still think it's safe to say that DT used to be more adventurous back in the day. I&W was the big classic, Awake did not try to replicate the same formula, and for good or bad it came out different. FII was bothered by studio interferences and it also has a unique charm of its own. Scenes From a Memory was just epic, being a concept album and all. 6DOIT had the very ambitious themes and pulling off a 42 minute song was quite epic.
I feel like they have played it very safe since then. It's not like they need to change, and I would imagine at the age they're at, it's comfortable playing to your sure bets, because you know many of the fans are along for the ride. (no pun intended) Still, there's so much talent in these guys that I would have loved seeing them do more experimental things, or at least take bigger risks. Maybe encourage them to make a Metropolis Part 3 album.
I largely agree with this, except for the last sentence.
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I'd go back and stop ShirtGate 2014 from happening.
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I think that belongs in the "critical moment you would change in Portnoy's career" thread :p
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I would try to talk them out of Raw Dog.
I mean this politely and out of curiosity (because I'm sorta new here, and because the song is meaningless to me) but is that a running joke, or do you really have a stick in your craw about Raw Dog?
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As much as I wish James didn't suffer that trauma, avoiding the food poisoning thing wouldn't change anything for me as to how much I enjoy their music (a lot) and how much JLB is why I enjoy it (also a lot).
For me it would be:
- releasing FII as it was on the Ytsejam records demo version; and/or
- the band taking a year off instead of moving on without Mike.
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I would try to talk them out of Raw Dog.
I mean this politely and out of curiosity (because I'm sorta new here, and because the song is meaningless to me) but is that a running joke, or do you really have a stick in your craw about Raw Dog?
DO NOT QUESTION THE MODS. IF YOU HAVE ISSUES WITH ANYTHING THEY'VE SAID, YOU CAN PM THEM.
Oh wait...
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Stop the food poisoning.
Most things happen because they have to. What if KM stayed in the band and the personal dynamic got really bad? What if they made another album with DS and it failed miserably, killing the band's career?
But the food poisoning added no value to the band's music and did nothing to help their career. I'd like to see the version of the band where JLB kills it on vocals every time.
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Yeah, people like to say everything happens for a reason. What was the reason for the food poisoning? Why did those coyotes have to be crossing the road at that exact moment? Why did Mike Portnoy cry over a t-shirt?
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I don't mean there's some bigger design behind it. Just that most things that appear senseless have some kind of underlying logic to them. You want to think that KM left DT for no good reason, but when you listen to his music the artistic disconnect is pretty clear.
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I would try to talk them out of Raw Dog.
You know, I'm not a fan of Raw Dog, but regardless of how good or bad it is, it's barely a footnote in their career, let alone a critical moment. Heck, it wasn't even mentioned in the new edition of Lifting Shadows. :lol
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I would try to talk them out of Hugh Syme.
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This thread made me think of a sadistic hypothetical:
If you could prevent Portnoy's mom from dying in that plane crash, but as a result remove A Change of Seasons from existence, would you?
I know this is dogging the question, but ACOS still would have likely existed without his mom's tragic death; it just would have had different lyrics.
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A Change of Seasons didn't make me fall in love with DT, other songs did. And over time, it hasn't aged that well for me. I still think it's awesome, but the only part of it that I would truly miss would be Another World.
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As many have said already, the food poisoning incident is high up on my list. And since I clearly have a time machine, i'd go stop at the Metropolis 2000 concert.
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As many have said already, the food poisoning incident is high up on my list. And since I clearly have a time machine, i'd go stop at the Metropolis 2000 concert.
You do realize that just by going back in time, you risk causing that concert to cease from existence.
GREAT SCOTT!
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You do realize that just by going back in time, you risk causing that concert to cease from existence.
GREAT SCOTT!
This is heavy, Doc!
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Re: If you could go back in time and change on critical moment in DT's career
I'd fix that typo.
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This thread made me think of a sadistic hypothetical:
If you could prevent Portnoy's mom from dying in that plane crash, but as a result remove A Change of Seasons from existence, would you?
I'd do it to save Portnoy's mother. Removing ACOS from existence would just be a bonus. :biggrin:
Yes.
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Stop the food poisoning.
Most things happen because they have to. What if KM stayed in the band and the personal dynamic got really bad? What if they made another album with DS and it failed miserably, killing the band's career?
But the food poisoning added no value to the band's music and did nothing to help their career. I'd like to see the version of the band where JLB kills it on vocals every time.
Yeah. Studio albums were always on a scale of satisfactory to holy balls it's like it never happened, but multiple live DVDs and bootlegs suffered inconsistencies that wouldn't be there without the poisoning. And obviously JLB suffered a lot over that.
And also, come on, literally no one values a song over another human being even feeling bad, let alone dying. Heck yeah I would erase ACOS as a minor consequence of MP having a long happy life alongside his mom. If I could erase Space-Dye Vest to have Kevin Moore continuously in a good mood over the DT-breakup, I totes would.
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This thread made me think of a sadistic hypothetical:
If you could prevent Portnoy's mom from dying in that plane crash, but as a result remove A Change of Seasons from existence, would you?
I'd do it to save Portnoy's mother. Removing ACOS from existence would just be a bonus. :biggrin:
Yes.
I can't let this go without a response from more reasonable DT fans (LOL). ACoS is epic. Especially the way they released it. As a EP is gives it the recognition that it deserves. I will give everyone the opinion that they don't like it - that's fine. I think it is their first (or one of the first) great epics.
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This thread made me think of a sadistic hypothetical:
If you could prevent Portnoy's mom from dying in that plane crash, but as a result remove A Change of Seasons from existence, would you?
I'd do it to save Portnoy's mother. Removing ACOS from existence would just be a bonus. :biggrin:
Yes.
I can't let this go without a response from more reasonable DT fans (LOL). ACoS is epic. Especially the way they released it. As a EP is gives it the recognition that it deserves. I will give everyone the opinion that they don't like it - that's fine. I think it is their first (or one of the first) great epics.
The only thing I don't like about it is the weak snare. Otherwise it's perfect.
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Haha, I was just gonna let that one slide because there's always minorities that will dislike something. (eg. I'm not the biggest fan of SDOIT the song, first disc of the album is pure gold though). But ACOS is indeed the true DT 'epic'. Takes a while to grow on you but it builds into a masterpiece. Six Degrees kinda was quite amazing at first, but now it's a bit more of an effort to listen to as it's quite dragged out. Still no denying it was a very ambitious project and I do like it when DT attempts these sort of things. (Scenes concept, Octavarium mini concept, dare I say, ADTOE template concept :P).
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The very first thing that came to mind was the food poisoning incident with JLB. I would prevent that for sure.
This is really the only correct answer to this thread.
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Since the most popular answer has been to prevent the food poisoning incident, I've been thinking about how one would actually go about preventing that. Just imagine that you've gone back in time and you now have to find James and explain why he should not eat this particular bit of food.
"I'm a Dream Theater fan from the future, and this meal turns out to cause serious damage to your voice!"
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Follow JLB and torch the place.
Bring a copy of Psychosane to MP in August 2010, along with AFTR. Pray this isn't a dynamic timeline and warn of the future. Get official bootleg of first DT concert. Attend middle and high school simultaneously. Grow up feeling very out of place.
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This thread made me think of a sadistic hypothetical:
If you could prevent Portnoy's mom from dying in that plane crash, but as a result remove A Change of Seasons from existence, would you?
I'd do it to save Portnoy's mother. Removing ACOS from existence would just be a bonus. :biggrin:
Yes.
I can't let this go without a response from more reasonable DT fans (LOL). ACoS is epic. Especially the way they released it. As a EP is gives it the recognition that it deserves. I will give everyone the opinion that they don't like it - that's fine. I think it is their first (or one of the first) great epics.
The only thing that makes it stand out imo is that it was the first, but it's nowhere near one of their better ones. If hypothetically choosing between having an average DT song I never listen to, or bringing someone back to life, it would be a no brainer for me.
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I would erase everything after 6DOIT and before ADTOE and forget they ever happened. The last two albums are not in my 'favorites' list and, in fact, I haven't listened to either one in months, but they're still better than anything since 6DOIT as far as I'm concerned.
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I would erase everything after 6DOIT and before ADTOE and forget they ever happened. The last two albums are not in my 'favorites' list and, in fact, I haven't listened to either one in months, but they're still better than anything since 6DOIT as far as I'm concerned.
Or you could just not listen to them and still let everyone else enjoy them? I mean, that's hardly changing "one critical moment in DT's career", that's steamrolling 1/3 of a career. The band wouldn't even still exist if they never happened.
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I know this is dogging the question, but ACOS still would have likely existed without his mom's tragic death; it just would have had different lyrics.
Heck yeah I would erase ACOS as a minor consequence of MP having a long happy life alongside his mom.
It's a bit tasteless, but since we're doing this, MP's mom wasn't all that supportive of his musical career and he might not have gone to Berklee if things hadn't played out as they did. JP and JM still could have made it, but since the name came from MP's dad, 'Dream Theater' would have never existed.
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I would try to talk them out of Raw Dog.
I mean this politely and out of curiosity (because I'm sorta new here, and because the song is meaningless to me) but is that a running joke, or do you really have a stick in your craw about Raw Dog?
I can't stand it. I think it was an interesting opportunity for the band, and they wasted it completely.
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I'd stop Portnoy from leaving. Hate me if you want but DT was beautiful with Portnoy. I would just try to stop all the internal bitching to keep them all best buddies 5ever.
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I would force MP and JP to rethink the lyrics to Full Circle, ANTR and CoT. Perhaps give them to JLB to write.
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You do realize that just by going back in time, you risk causing that concert to cease from existence.
GREAT SCOTT!
This is heavy, Doc!
*runs in*
Sorry I'm late!
*fixes ruffled clothes*
Ok, uh uh uhhhhh WEIGHT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!
Phew! Carry on.
*leaves*
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I would force MP and JP to rethink the lyrics to Full Circle, ANTR and CoT. Perhaps give them to JLB to write.
:flame: Burnomatic!
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I would force MP and JP to rethink the lyrics to Full Circle, ANTR and CoT. Perhaps give them to JLB to write.
I wouldn't wanna change 'Beautiful Agony' lyrics, and I'm fairly sure that The Count of Tuscany's quirkiness is part of what makes it especially unique.
And how dare you want to change the clever alluding nonsensical lyrics from Full Circle! :xbones
All of those examples are just fun and playful lyrics really. Songs don't always have to be tragically serious. :D Not that you're implying that, but I do think whatever style came across in the writing, was a conscious decision by the writer. By deliberately telling a story in a certain way, or by experiementing with something a little bit different.
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Full Circle has awesome lyrics.
ANTR has some strange lyrics but nothing offensive or cringe worthy imo. I'd even say it's one of the better songs on that album, lyrically. Although that's not saying a whole lot.
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I would force MP and JP to rethink the lyrics to Full Circle, ANTR and CoT. Perhaps give them to JLB to write.
I wouldn't wanna change 'Beautiful Agony' lyrics
I would agree with that
And how dare you want to change the clever alluding nonsensical lyrics from Full Circle! :xbones
:tup
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Full Circle has awesome lyrics.
This.
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All of those examples are just fun and playful lyrics really. Songs don't always have to be tragically serious. :D Not that you're implying that, but I do think whatever style came across in the writing, was a conscious decision by the writer. By deliberately telling a story in a certain way, or by experiementing with something a little bit different.
I was just thinking, I certainly don't mind the more playful lyrics but I don't think they fit at all in the context of the rest of 8V. The rest of it is pretty serious and then it gets...dumb.