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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: gmillerdrake on January 23, 2014, 06:24:19 PM
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I'll give him credit, he's put up a better fight than both his older brothers have when they've tested the. "Your not leaving his table until it's gone" fight...we are about an hour and 15 minutes in. I'm undefeated at this point but I think he's getting a second wind, and I've exhausted all tactics that have rendered him and his brothers to submission in he past. As I type this he's chanting 'I'm not going to eat it...I'm not going to eat it..' I've gotta dig deep.
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Haha... good luck! Reminds me of my boys.
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I remember being there when I was younger. I think it was a baked bean for me, though. :lol
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Victory......
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Just a question for future reference, for whenever I have kids. And I ask this in all seriousness,
is this scenario about him getting the proper nutrition that he needs or is it about establishing dominance as a parent. Because if it was just about proper nutrition, I would just go with a flavored multi-vitamin or something and avoid the vegetable scenario all together.
and I'll be the first one to admit that I know nothing about parenting, so I'm just curious.
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A bit of both actually. I have two boys that refuse nightly to touch their veggies and fruits.... It's a constant battle to get them to eat 'good'. My oldest will choose an apple over a Snickers every time. He's always eaten well.
So 'the point' behind these battles is first off 'your' eating the food we put in front of you and second I am your Father and 'you' WILL listen and do as I say. It's not a power trip...it's a responsibility to establish that understanding. Kids can't make decsions for themselves. So they need to understand when their Mom or I imstruct them it is for their benifit. Plus, it does establish that when it comes to a battle of wills....they will not prevail.
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My mom used to do this to me to the point where I wouldn't leave the table unless I literally stuffed my face full of things I didn't like, and all that because I was "eating too slow". I still dislike those foods, and I haven't got the healthiest relationship with food or eating, just saying.
I know he has to get his nutrition, but the fact is most of us have been avoiding or hating greens until high school or something, so even though it's a reasonable approach, it's really done nothing for my generation, and me in particular. I do eat healthy now, and I'm a vegetarian, but what's going on in my mind during the endless "don't think about eating"/"EAT TOO MUCH OF EVERYTHING" cycles is not nearly as healthy as my diet, and I'd rather have the capability of intuitive eating instead of what I got.
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Just a question for future reference, for whenever I have kids. And I ask this in all seriousness,
is this scenario about him getting the proper nutrition that he needs or is it about establishing dominance as a parent. Because if it was just about proper nutrition, I would just go with a flavored multi-vitamin or something and avoid the vegetable scenario all together.
and I'll be the first one to admit that I know nothing about parenting, so I'm just curious.
I will add to that....
To me, it's also a matter of respect. I went through this with my son. He is now 21, and when he is a guest at someone's home, he always eats what he is given, even if he doesn't particularly care for it. I raised him that this is showing respect to the person who has given you the meal.
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Plus, when it becomes a matter of a CHILD telling a PARENT what they are going to do....when it's in direct defiance of what the parent has instructed them they will do....you have to make a stand as a parent and make it a point that they understand that they don't call the shots. Especially young children.
Now, I can envision as my boys grow older and begin to understand things/life etc better that on some of the things I'll ask them to do they may have a perfectly good reason they don't want to or can't. I'd expect that as they begin to reason better and articulate their views and points that the 'my way or the highway' parenting tactic will become less and less effective....but I know I'll never settle for the "reason" of simply not wanting to do something. It'd better be good and convincing for me to reverse course.
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Just checking in to brag about eating chocolate, nachos, and beer for dinner.
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Just checking in to brag about eating chocolate, nachos, and beer for dinner.
Now listen here Mr. , you get back over to that table and eat your broccoli......
The toughest part for me is actually having to eat the food I don't like because I need 'lead by example'.
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You can't find vegetables you like?
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You can't find vegetables you like?
It's the broccoli and Brussels sprouts I have to power through. Corn, Grren Beans, carrots, califlower....all good there.
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I'm no nutritionist but I'd imagine a combo of tolerable veggies with kids multivitamins would be perfectly fine for them.
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Brussels sprouts and broccoli are probably my two favorite veggies to eat as sides. Need a stand in? :lol
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After a certain age of endurance through foods we didn't like (though I was lucky enough to have parents that actually made good food ::)), if we didn't like something, we had to make our own food. Obviously this doesn't work with a child who is 5 years old, but I think you should attempt at trying a bunch of foods that the child might like. I still hate green beans to this day. Sweet peas are good for kids, and are generally liked by them. Broccoli depends on how it is cooked, I recommend steaming (not boiling, because mushy broccoli is nasty.), then using some butter and seasoning (Aromat all-purpose works wonders). Let your children snack on baby carrots and fresh broccoli or cauliflower. (the little ones) Bagged lettuce is also really great, especially if it's sweet and crisp (I used to be a glutton with lettuce and carrots.). When it comes to meats, chicken tenderloins, broiled and seasoned (also with aromat) are really great. Rice is really good, and you can do a ton of stuff with rice.
Some ideas ;D
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Good on you, pops. I see too many kids these days parenting the parents. It's pretty fuckin' sad. Plus they're fat little fucks AND brats. Who wouldn't thunk it...
If the world ever has the misfortune of having the devil-spawn of me forced unto the omniverse, it will at LEAST eat healthy and have respect.
...then it will commit the very first humancide. D'awwww! :xbones
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Good on you, pops. I see too many kids these days parenting the parents. It's pretty fuckin' sad. Plus they're fat little fucks AND brats. Who wouldn't thunk it...
If the world ever has the misfortune of having the devil-spawn of me forced unto the omniverse, it will at LEAST eat healthy and have respect.
...then it will commit the very first humancide. D'awwww! :xbones
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I'm no nutritionist but I'd imagine a combo of tolerable veggies with kids multivitamins would be perfectly fine for them.
We give them multivitamins also. One with dinner every night.
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If so, then I don't think it's critical to force the issue with specific veggie types. Just give 'em whatever's affordable, healthy, and appealing to them. I was a very obedient, meek child who was a glutton and would eat nearly anything in front of me, veggies included, but it was a horrifying experience every time I had to spend a week by my grandpa's. His pot roast was fucking amazing but a lot of his stuff would literally trigger my gag reflex or come close to it. I hate most of the young kids I see these days and I hate their paents ten times as much for failing so abysmally at parenting so I sincerely commend you on making an effort to avoid contributing your own DNA to this new generation of entitled demon spawns. I just think since taste buds can trigger nausea, your energy would be better spent in other areas as long as they're getting a favorable combos of veg'n'vitamin.
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The gag reflex (when it comes to food) is really a mental thing. I had a harsh gag reflex to beer for a VERY long time. It wasn't until I was probably 25 that I learned to appreciate it as an "acquired taste". So...to a reasonable degree....I think being firm (but not harsh or demeaning) can be a life lesson all its own. Sometimes (sometimes not) we learn that things may not turn out as bad as we used to think.
Some things I made my son eat, he ended up loving after years of getting more familiar with it. Other things....not so much. But I am proud of him for finding his own "taste" now that he's older. And I'm also proud of him for being gracious to anyone that may be serving him food.
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When I was a kid, my parents would sometimes pull the "you can't leave the table until you finish your whole plate, most of your plate, etc." routine, although they oddly have zero recollection of it now :lol, and if it was something like spaghetti, and I was done eating, but I hate to eat more, I'd simply shove a massive amount of it in my mouth and then go heave it into the trash with my excuse being that I took too big of a bite and didn't want to choke on it. Amazingly, that worked, although I think my parents knew better. :lol :lol
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The gag reflex (when it comes to food) is really a mental thing.
Perhaps for you. Until I was well into my twenties, onions or copious amounts of mayonnaise did it for me every time. You're generalizing your experiences to all others.
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Any of these food battles I've had with my kids is really less about they need it for nutritional purposes. I mean, look at the pic I posted tonight....I was asking him to eat TWO green beans. The food battles begin when they decide to tell me or their mother THEY ARENT eating it and that they are leaving the table anyway.....when they know the rules are they DO eat it and they ask to be excused.
We don't put the rules in place to be mean or have some power trip to have control over someone....they have to be taught (as jammindude alluded to) respect and that until they are adults they LISTEN to what we say. Period. No questions....they do not have a choice in the matter, especially as young as they are.
A side note is also...thier Mother is in Mexico on a vacation and to be at her sisters destination wedding. This was also about him testing the waters to see if old Daddy was gonna budge on some rules. And, his two older brothers were certainly watching to see if I buckled or not. Ask any parent what happens when you give an inch.....especially when your outnumbered. :rollin
My boys for the most part are good kiddos who listen and obey but they are also 'kids'....and moments like tonight reinforce my authority and helps remind them that I'm the boss. Even if it's as something as trivial as eating two green beans....had I given up 20 minutes into it when the real sad eyes and crying were going strong he'd have learned there's a weakness out there to be had in future battles.....parenting isn't for cowards I tell ya. Ask any of them out there....you find yourself saying and doing things you never thought you would and worrying and caring about things/emotions/circumstances you never knew existed.
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^ I'm not a parent, but this is a good post.
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The gag reflex (when it comes to food) is really a mental thing.
Perhaps for you. Until I was well into my twenties, onions or copious amounts of mayonnaise did it for me every time. You're generalizing your experiences to all others.
Come on, bf. Do you really think I'm *THAT* narrow minded? You don't think I've met several people who have had the same experience? I did give the caveat of sometimes yes/sometimes no.
You should know me better than that.
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Brussels sprouts and broccoli are probably my two favorite veggies to eat as sides. Need a stand in? :lol
Brussel Sprouts and Broccoli are the shit. I'll join in!
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Seriously... I honestly believe that anyone is capable of learning to like ANYTHING. Hell...some people eat monkey brains. Am I capable of learning to like monkey brains? Yes...I am. Do I want to? Not in a million freakin years. Learning to like something that disgusting is just not that important to me. But I am capable.
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The gag reflex (when it comes to food) is really a mental thing.
Perhaps for you. Until I was well into my twenties, onions or copious amounts of mayonnaise did it for me every time. You're generalizing your experiences to all others.
Come on, bf. Do you really think I'm *THAT* narrow minded? You don't think I've met several people who have had the same experience? I did give the caveat of sometimes yes/sometimes no.
You should know me better than that.
You're right. I did steep your earl grey twins like a champ despite your two-day separation from most recent shower :heart
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ROFL!!!! :heart
On the subject....some people eat, and actually LIKE this crap. Although, I tend to believe it's more for bragging rights than taste...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surstr%C3%B6mming
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Seriously... I honestly believe that anyone is capable of learning to like ANYTHING. Hell...some people eat monkey brains. Am I capable of learning to like monkey brains? Yes...I am. Do I want to? Not in a million freakin years. Learning to like something that disgusting is just not that important to me. But I am capable.
There is no way I could ever or will ever like peanut butter. It is freaking disgusting.
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Out of curiosity, do you like peanuts?
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Seriously... I honestly believe that anyone is capable of learning to like ANYTHING. Hell...some people eat monkey brains. Am I capable of learning to like monkey brains? Yes...I am. Do I want to? Not in a million freakin years. Learning to like something that disgusting is just not that important to me. But I am capable.
There is no way I could ever or will ever like peanut butter. It is freaking disgusting.
IDK....in my mind, I'm capable of learning to like Surströmming...but WHY? Why would I learn to like ROTTEN FISH? I guess it's just something with me. I acknowledge that I absolutely will not...but it's a choice. I'm capable making a different choice if I want. I just don't want to.
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Choosing to eat something is entirely different from choosing to like something.
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Out of curiosity, do you like peanuts?
Yes.
I think with peanut butter, it is the smell. I hated the smell as a kid, and as an adult, it is just as bad.
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Ah. I was interested, since I like peanut butter but dislike peanuts. :lol
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I'm with Shado Ninja on the peanut butter/peanut thing. And jammindude, go eat a century egg.
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My kid has always liked most veggies. So we were lucky. If there was something he didnt like though I wouldnt force him to eat it. If he was however just holding out on something he'd never tried so he could just fill up on chicken nuggets or something, then he had to at least try it. If he didnt like he, he didnt have to eat it. I found with this approach he was much more willing to try various vegetables, and many he liked.
This more than anything established trust and taught him not to be afraid to try new foods; thereby eliminating the whole battle of wills thing. His cousin who is the same age grew up with the whole "eat it or sit there until you die" thing. He now subsists primarily on chicken strips and Oreos. How he doesn't have scurvy or rickets I'll never understand. But I've always stuck by the premise if my son tried it, and didnt like it, he didnt have to eat it. Sometimes, we'd require a certain number of bites, or a maybe an entire portion, but if he didn't like it, he didn't have to eat it. He's nearly 17 now, as and I'm proud of how much he's willing to try new things. There have even been instances where he didnt like something when he was little, but has gone back and tried them again years later and now loves them. Brussels sprouts and avocado are two examples. Now you might think your kid will always say they only like french fries, or nuggets; but once they realize theres no pressure, and you support their decision or taste, youll find its much easier, and there will be a ton of healthful foods they like.
My mom was "sit there until the stars go out in the sky". She once went to bed, and turned off all the lights in the house and left me sitting in the kitchen in the dark with my stuffed peppers. :lol
We had a beagle hound named Hambone. (Best name ever for a hound dog btw). Id wait my parents out until the left the dining room and feed the dog small bites under the table. When I was about 11 my mom made some kind of goulash, or chili con carne, or something. Man it was God awful. I was left alone and ordered to sit there until I finished it. So when my parents were in the other room I crept in where we kept his food bowl and dumped the mess in Hambones dish. He took one sniff and left the room. :lol
I got busted big time. I said, "Mom, look even the dog wont eat it!"
That was the last time I was forced to eat something I didn't like. :lol
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I keep reading this as "It's a battle of willis" and expect to see Bruce Willis there getting the shit beaten out of him by your child.
Yes.
These are the things I expect out of life.
Hm....wine.....
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Choosing to eat something is entirely different from choosing to like something.
You misunderstand. I believe I *could* learn to like even something as disgusting as a century egg....it would probably TAKE A CENTURY TO LEARN (and again...I won't...because, why would I?) but I do believe that given enough time, practice and motivation, anyone can learn to like anything.
It all about choice and possibilities...which I believe have no limits beyond the ones we put on ourselves. Like the limit I do put on myself by choosing not to learn to like a century egg. :D
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The human brain is so infinitely spectacular. If you believe you're sick, it'll make you sick. If you want to like something enough, eventually...you will.
Tomatoes used to make me gag upon smelling them. Quite literally, I was forced to eat one as a kid. A whole one. Picked straight from the garden. It was nearly shoved down my throat until I said I would willingly eat all of it, and I did. Up until a few years ago, the sight of it alone would disgust me, and if I smelled it, it would trigger my gag reflex IMMEDIATELY.
I now love tomatoes after having them blended into other foods and very, very slowly eating them alone and in small portions. The peanut butter haters could eat it if they wanted, but since they can't, you won't ever get to that point. If you try, eventually you could eat it, and taking your time, down the line you'd later on begin to like it. The fact that you tell yourself you won't ever though, makes it pretty hard to. It's all about perception and what you tell yourself you can or can't do. I really believe that. Humans are so insanely adaptable... But first you have to open yourself up to it. Taste buds are at the forefront of that thought.
There's only one thing that I still don't like to eat and that's certain olives... I've tried and they still taste absolutely disgusting to me. But sooner or later I'll like them. I MUST. I AM THE TASTE BUD MASTER!
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This discussion about "liking" food reminded me of this. NSFW
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B0x_dFMnZVI&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DB0x_dFMnZVI
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This discussion about "liking" food reminded me of this. NSFW
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B0x_dFMnZVI&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DB0x_dFMnZVI
That movie is still the greatest stand up comedy routine of all time, perfection.
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As I type this he's chanting 'I'm not going to eat it...I'm not going to eat it..' I've gotta dig deep.
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Good on ya Gary!
Not that I think you do, but don't listen to the naysayers about your parenting method. All kids are different as all parents and you're in the best position to know what your child needs. You know what the most likely outcome is for this kind of discipline is? Your boy will always have fond memories of you making dinner for him, eating dinner with him and caring enough to spend time him to be sure he eats well.
Twenty or so years later he will be sitting at his favorite restaurant and the server will place a plate in front of him that contains string beans. He'll stab one with his fork and look across the table at his husband and say, "I remember when my Dad spent a couple of hours waiting for me to finish eating these and now I love them. My Dad's the greatest!"
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This is great! Oh the battles I have had with my strong willed daughter! :lol
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Plus, when it becomes a matter of a CHILD telling a PARENT what they are going to do....when it's in direct defiance of what the parent has instructed them they will do....you have to make a stand as a parent and make it a point that they understand that they don't call the shots. Especially young children.
Right. And there's greater value in establishing their place on the totem pole for them. If you cannot keep order in your own house and make your child understand that they are to respect you as their parent and do as they are asked, then you're going to have an even greater difficulty in getting them to do the same for their teachers, their college professors, their bosses, or anybody else that they'll eventually have to answer to at some point in their lives. If they understand early on that there's a pecking order and that there aren't a ton of times where they're going to be at the top of it, it will set them up for a better chance of working within social structures going forward (with notable exceptions, i.e. you are not at the bottom of the totem pole under the bully at school, etc.).
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^This man knows what's up^
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My kid has always liked most veggies. So we were lucky. If there was something he didnt like though I wouldnt force him to eat it. If he was however just holding out on something he'd never tried so he could just fill up on chicken nuggets or something, then he had to at least try it. If he didnt like he, he didnt have to eat it. I found with this approach he was much more willing to try various vegetables, and many he liked.
This more than anything established trust and taught him not to be afraid to try new foods; thereby eliminating the whole battle of wills thing. His cousin who is the same age grew up with the whole "eat it or sit there until you die" thing. He now subsists primarily on chicken strips and Oreos. How he doesn't have scurvy or rickets I'll never understand. But I've always stuck by the premise if my son tried it, and didnt like it, he didnt have to eat it. Sometimes, we'd require a certain number of bites, or a maybe an entire portion, but if he didn't like it, he didn't have to eat it. He's nearly 17 now, as and I'm proud of how much he's willing to try new things. There have even been instances where he didnt like something when he was little, but has gone back and tried them again years later and now loves them. Brussels sprouts and avocado are two examples. Now you might think your kid will always say they only like french fries, or nuggets; but once they realize theres no pressure, and you support their decision or taste, youll find its much easier, and there will be a ton of healthful foods they like.
My mom was "sit there until the stars go out in the sky". She once went to bed, and turned off all the lights in the house and left me sitting in the kitchen in the dark with my stuffed peppers. :lol
We had a beagle hound named Hambone. (Best name ever for a hound dog btw). Id wait my parents out until the left the dining room and feed the dog small bites under the table. When I was about 11 my mom made some kind of goulash, or chili con carne, or something. Man it was God awful. I was left alone and ordered to sit there until I finished it. So when my parents were in the other room I crept in where we kept his food bowl and dumped the mess in Hambones dish. He took one sniff and left the room. :lol
I got busted big time. I said, "Mom, look even the dog wont eat it!"
That was the last time I was forced to eat something I didn't like. :lol
The whole "try it and if you don't like it, you don't have to eat it" is how I was basically raised. My God, the foods I learned to love. It worked so well, in fact, because I started liking so many things, at buffets I was just putting everything on my plate (ESPECIALLY at Japanese/Chinese buffets. Asian food is basically my favorite food now :lol) to see if I liked it. Hmmm... I wonder what octopus tastes like. Just a chewier seafood, that's all!
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^ It really does work. Why force your kid to eat something he physically dislikes. When you encourage kids to try new things with no pressure, theyre much more open to being receptive to doing it. I'll go one step further with a bonus to that approach. My son is influenced very little by peer pressure. I think in part thats a by-product of not wearing him down with the food thing. Hes not stupid, so he doesnt often do stupid things, but he has free-will to make his own choices. So I trust he'll usually make good ones, and when hes not sure he knows he can ask me or talk to me about it without fear that im going to force his decision one way or another. This doesnt always apply. He's still only 17, so he doesnt get to make all his choices for himself yet. Primarily because hes still too inexperienced and young. But I think the food thing and the way we communicate has played a part.
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Alright time to break out a childhood story.
You will all be shocked. I don't like steak. Never had and when I was 7 years old my parents would feed me Filet Mignon. I'd take the chewed up pieces from my mouth, drop it on the floor and when we were finished dinner I'd take those pieces and put them in the heating base boards. 2 years later my parents bought a house and my mother went to clean out the baseboard and found dried steak for a whole year in there. :lol
So I never had to eat steak again. Joe 1, parents 0!
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^ It really does work. Why force your kid to eat something he physically dislikes. When you encourage kids to try new things with no pressure, theyre much more open to being receptive to doing it. I'll go one step further with a bonus to that approach. My son is influenced very little by peer pressure. I think in part thats a by-product of not wearing him down with the food thing. Hes not stupid, so he doesnt often do stupid things, but he has free-will to make his own choices. So I trust he'll usually make good ones, and when hes not sure he knows he can ask me or talk to me about it without fear that im going to force his decision one way or another. This doesnt always apply. He's still only 17, so he doesnt get to make all his choices for himself yet. Primarily because hes still too inexperienced and young. But I think the food thing and the way we communicate has played a part.
You can't blanketly state that. My mom used this approach....and as a result, I ate nothing but peanut butter sandwiches, nachos and mac n cheese throughout most of my growing years.
I think I was almost 30 before it dawned on me that I was missing out on a bunch of stuff.
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I don't like steak.
You will rot in hell.
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I don't like steak.
You will rot in hell.
:lol
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If I didn't finish my food my parents used to make me leave it at the table and come back to it later before having a snack.
So naturally I would just toss the nasty cold food in the trash when they left the room and cover it up with some paper towels :lol
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If I didn't eat my dinner I'd be sent to bed. My parents knew I hated onions and Lima beans so naturally we'd always have onions and Lima beans in our food.
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Seriously... I honestly believe that anyone is capable of learning to like ANYTHING. Hell...some people eat monkey brains. Am I capable of learning to like monkey brains? Yes...I am. Do I want to? Not in a million freakin years. Learning to like something that disgusting is just not that important to me. But I am capable.
There is no way I could ever or will ever like peanut butter. It is freaking disgusting.
Out of curiosity Kev, where in the world do you live? I ask because I've heard that PB is a pretty "American" thing. We give it as a treat to our kids before they even know what it is...so it becomes a classic favorite even into adulthood.
Years ago, I was shocked to discover that Europeans (especially Germany from my personal experience) have no concept of PB. It just doesn't exist in that culture. My sister tried to bring her German friend some peanut butter, because they had never even heard of it....and they didn't much care for it.
Either way, I do want to point out that there is a BIG difference between mass produced peanut butter, and *natural* peanut butter. And as sad as I am to admit it, it's the mass produced stuff that is far, FAR better and more universally adored than the natural stuff. And the mass produced stuff sells because most people think the "natural" peanut butter tastes like disgusting, oily paste. Mass produced peanut butter is a *completely* different animal. I would suggest anyone who based their dislike of peanut butter on the "natural" type give it another try with something like Jif or Skippy brand.
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G, I don't get it, if you don't like Broccoli and Brussel Sprouts, then dont buy them to cook and eat ???
Jif
This always cracked me up. In NZ Jif is a cleaning product, a creamy soapy substance used to clean scum off baths. So whenever someone mentions Jif as peanut butter I think of putting creamy, scummy, pube-infused detergent on toast.
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That actually sounds right delicious.
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St. Louis, MO, which is smack dab in the middle of the country. I was the only member of my immediate family to not love peanut butter (my parents and both brothers love it). Interestingly, my 7-year old niece hates it as much as I do, while my 8-year old nephew loves it. :lol :lol
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If I didn't eat my dinner I'd be sent to bed. My parents knew I hated onions and Lima beans so naturally we'd always have onions and Lima beans in our food.
That's literally illogical.
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I immediately thought you meant this...
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Guy on the right seriously looks like Mike Patton.
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tbh, I never had this problem growing up. Mainly because we were pretty poor and if you didn't eat your dinner you'd literally just starve :lol it wasn't an empty threat.
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Guy on the right seriously looks like Mike Patton.
He cares a lot
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Guy on the right seriously looks like Mike Patton.
He cares a lot
Except Mike did not sing that song on the first album.
*drops mike*
Not Patton.
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FNM trivia for the win!
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Guy on the right seriously looks like Mike Patton.
He cares a lot
Except Mike did not sing that song on the first album.
*drops mike*
Not Patton.
I never heard the first album. I only heard that song on Live at the Brixton Academy.
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not missing much.
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not missing much.
Dont listen to him! Introduce Yourself is amazing! And Chuck Mosley has a charm all his own, even if he isnt technically as talented.
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not missing much.
Dont listen to him! Introduce Yourself is amazing! And Chuck Mosley has a charm all his own, even if he isnt technically as talented.
Maybe I will JD
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Gary, I don't know how or if this applies to children, but I had a pretty long discussion with my doctor on the topic of multivitamins (I have a couple of deficiencies that are common among people with HepC) and he told me flat out: Don't waste any more of your money on supplements.
When I asked him why, he referred me to this. (https://www.webmd.com/vitamins-and-supplements/news/20131216/experts-dont-waste-your-money-on-multivitamins)
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That was absolutely the BEST OP that I have ever seen in my time here at DTF! :lol
Awesome!
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I remember having these issues and I was such a hard ass. I was much tougher with my step kids because they were my first
and I really regret forcing them to sit there and eat things they didn't like. I eased up with my daughter. Some of the battles of
will lasted for hours. So many ways life could have been better spent. I'll never do this with grandkids.
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Gary, I don't know how or if this applies to children, but I had a pretty long discussion with my doctor on the topic of multivitamins (I have a couple of deficiencies that are common among people with HepC) and he told me flat out: Don't waste any more of your money on supplements.
When I asked him why, he referred me to this. (https://www.webmd.com/vitamins-and-supplements/news/20131216/experts-dont-waste-your-money-on-multivitamins)
Interesting. I wonder, though I admittedly have not researched it, how many many many more studies are out there that say otherwise. I'm sure a zillion studies have been done on the efficacy of vitamins. Three new studies saying "Nah, don't bother" seems a little odd. Again, I am speaking from a place of lack of information on the matter, but this just seems odd. I suppose that a serious prolonged deficiency in certain vitamins and minerals does cause legitimate health concerns (i.e. scurvy from vitamin C deficiency), but they're saying that going the other way and having the full complement of necessary vitamins and minerals doesn't offer any majorly discernible benefits. Seems counterintuitive.
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Gary, I don't know how or if this applies to children, but I had a pretty long discussion with my doctor on the topic of multivitamins (I have a couple of deficiencies that are common among people with HepC) and he told me flat out: Don't waste any more of your money on supplements.
When I asked him why, he referred me to this. (https://www.webmd.com/vitamins-and-supplements/news/20131216/experts-dont-waste-your-money-on-multivitamins)
That is interesting. I'm taking that to heart more for myself than anything. It's not like we have them dosed up on non stop Multi vitamins though.....it's your pretty basic 'Flinstone' type kids supplements.
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i still go through this ( not food) but other things with my 2 oldest boys 19 & 17...whereas they question my authority at all times
bottom line for me is I provide the roof over there head, I pay the bills, I buy the food..you will do as I ask not as you please...
Once they are out in the world on their own than they can live by their rules
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They should learn that complaining is bad.
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Gary, I don't know how or if this applies to children, but I had a pretty long discussion with my doctor on the topic of multivitamins (I have a couple of deficiencies that are common among people with HepC) and he told me flat out: Don't waste any more of your money on supplements.
When I asked him why, he referred me to this. (https://www.webmd.com/vitamins-and-supplements/news/20131216/experts-dont-waste-your-money-on-multivitamins)
But at $9.99 (or less) for a years worth of daily multivitamins, I think the minimal cost is worth even the minimal benefits....especially for those with really poor diets.
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They should learn that complaining is bad.
I would not agree with this. If people did not have the innate ability to complain about circumstances, not a lot of progress would ever be made.
A toddler will scream when its needs are not being met. Without complaining about circumstances by screaming and crying, how would the toddler communicate the will to be fed, or cared for?
i still go through this ( not food) but other things with my 2 oldest boys 19 & 17...whereas they question my authority at all times
bottom line for me is I provide the roof over there head, I pay the bills, I buy the food..you will do as I ask not as you please...
Once they are out in the world on their own than they can live by their rules
I don't agree with this either. They did not choose to be there, they do not have to choice to go anywhere else and are under your rule involuntarily.
Furthermore, is it so strange that they question parental authority? There are plenty of parents who impose rules on their children, and they do not follow these rules themselves. Sometimes they don't even notice that they are not following the same principles that they are demanding of their children, and children see right through this.
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Well, if they're technically adults, then it's not involuntary.
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I reiterate, it's also about helping kids to realize that they aren't the center of the universe, as they typically tend to believe they are:
Plus, when it becomes a matter of a CHILD telling a PARENT what they are going to do....when it's in direct defiance of what the parent has instructed them they will do....you have to make a stand as a parent and make it a point that they understand that they don't call the shots. Especially young children.
Right. And there's greater value in establishing their place on the totem pole for them. If you cannot keep order in your own house and make your child understand that they are to respect you as their parent and do as they are asked, then you're going to have an even greater difficulty in getting them to do the same for their teachers, their college professors, their bosses, or anybody else that they'll eventually have to answer to at some point in their lives. If they understand early on that there's a pecking order and that there aren't a ton of times where they're going to be at the top of it, it will set them up for a better chance of working within social structures going forward (with notable exceptions, i.e. you are not at the bottom of the totem pole under the bully at school, etc.).
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They should learn that complaining is bad.
I would not agree with this. If people did not have the innate ability to complain about circumstances, not a lot of progress would ever be made.
A toddler will scream when its needs are not being met. Without complaining about circumstances by screaming and crying, how would the toddler communicate the will to be fed, or cared for?
i still go through this ( not food) but other things with my 2 oldest boys 19 & 17...whereas they question my authority at all times
bottom line for me is I provide the roof over there head, I pay the bills, I buy the food..you will do as I ask not as you please...
Once they are out in the world on their own than they can live by their rules
I don't agree with this either. They did not choose to be there, they do not have to choice to go anywhere else and are under your rule involuntarily.
Furthermore, is it so strange that they question parental authority? There are plenty of parents who impose rules on their children, and they do not follow these rules themselves. Sometimes they don't even notice that they are not following the same principles that they are demanding of their children, and children see right through this.
When I mean complaining, I mean "But Mom, whhhyyy do I have to dooo iitttt", and "I don't waaannntt to do the dishes". I guess I mean whining more than complaining. I agree with you on your other point.