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Title: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 28, 2013, 08:05:53 AM
Lately, threads that should be perfectly SFW are being flagged by my company's IT for offensive content. The company I work for has no problem with employees browsing the web on breaks or else occasionally, to take mental breaks, but has a pretty rigorous internet filter installed.

Today, I can't get into the NFL thread. While the thread is usually perfectly SFW, I guess Barto's nickname for Dez Bryant set something off, and work now considers the site to be "Adult Material".

I think random offensive / explicit language is becoming a problem here for me. I'm not calling for the forum to go completely PC, but I will say that I do get kinda annoyed when I open (or can't open) what should be a perfectly SFW thread,  because a poster has decided to drop a random f-bomb. It feels like that is happening all the time.

DTF is generally a place I feel comfortable browsing on breaks from work, but I think it'd be helpful if we toned it down a bit.

EDIT: Moved from Forum Suggestions.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 28, 2013, 08:18:30 AM
There's a rule against repeated and excessive language, but not against language altogether from my understanding (and there is plenty of stuff of that nature that is outright banned for being excessive for the reasons the rules state).

But no offense, this sounds like it's your problem, rather than DTF's problem. I don't see any problem with the language used here.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 28, 2013, 08:23:49 AM
It could very well be my problem. Hopefully this discussion will help determine that  :P I suspect most people will be against me, though.

For reference,

Quote from:  "Forum Rules"
5. Keep your language reasonable. Repeated and inappropriate usage of explicit language is forbidden. Violators will be warned before any serious action is taken. No racially offensive posts. No posts that are derogatory toward gender or sexual preference. No posts that use slang terms for any race, sexual preference, or religious background. Includes signatures.

Now, I didn't "report" EB's post in the NFL thread because I'm not sure if it really is against the rules, and I don't want to be a gadfly to the forum.

But is it reasonable (or appropriate) to use explicit language to refer to an NFL player?

Maybe lots of bad words should be able to fly (depending on usage), but certainly not those which wouldn't clear the airwaves?
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 28, 2013, 08:45:33 AM
Upon rereading the rule, and checked out El Barto's posts (since I don't ever read that thread), while it's certainly not necessary to use that language, I personally find it reasonable. But that's a subjective and arbitrary assessment, just as the rule itself is.

And I think that's the issue here for me, that it is a subjective issue based on context, so it's hard to try to draw a line, or in this case, try to redefine that line. In general, I feel swearing is mostly fine unless it's used as strong language aimed towards someone personally etc (like if I said "F you"). I've been told off by a mod once for tamer words used in a similar context, which was justified, so it is very judgement based.

But in Barto's particularly context, I don't think it was excessive as it relates to the forum rules. Just imo of course.

Is this not what the forum filter in the options is intended for? I have no idea what words it filters, since I've never used it.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 28, 2013, 09:02:05 AM
I'm not sure. I personally don't object to EB's posting style, but I think we do generally keep things SFW around here, so I'm also kind of wondering if anyone else is having this issue, and maybe if others think we should tone it down a bit.

Maybe the filter function would help me. I'll check at report back.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 28, 2013, 09:06:06 AM
Hmm... I DO have the filter on.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 28, 2013, 09:10:45 AM
So the filter allows the F word etc?

Because if that's the case, I think that should be rectified. That would be the best solution for everyone. Isn't that what the filter is supposed to be for?
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: bosk1 on October 28, 2013, 09:52:45 AM
Personally, I would prefer it if people used more tame language on the forum all the time.  But I'm not going to enforce that because I realize that isn't how most poeple talk, and I don't think that would be reasonable.  But that being said, a lot of times, most of the folks here are pretty reasonable and may choose to voluntarily dial it back a bit if they know it is an issue.  I think this should actually be posted in GD so more people can see it and chime in.

As far as the filter, I will try to take a look at and adjust the filter settings if that will help.  It will take me a bit of time before I can get to it, but will try to remember to do it soon.  But I'm not sure if that will help because I don't know if your company's filter would still pick up the language.  Even if our filter changes certain words, they are still there in the code, and I don't know enough about how filters work to know whether yours would still pick it up.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 28, 2013, 10:01:18 AM
Personally, I would prefer it if people used more tame language on the forum all the time.  But I'm not going to enforce that because I realize that isn't how most poeple talk, and I don't think that would be reasonable.  But that being said, a lot of times, most of the folks here are pretty reasonable and may choose to voluntarily dial it back a bit if they know it is an issue.  I think this should actually be posted in GD so more people can see it and chime in.

As far as the filter, I will try to take a look at and adjust the filter settings if that will help.  It will take me a bit of time before I can get to it, but will try to remember to do it soon.  But I'm not sure if that will help because I don't know if your company's filter would still pick up the language.  Even if our filter changes certain words, they are still there in the code, and I don't know enough about how filters work to know whether yours would still pick it up.

I believe the filter works entirely server side, so the page that loads to the user shouldn't include any of the replaced words in the code, which is why when it's quoted and posted, it remains censored, because the text is being completely replaced to the user.

I'm surprised the filter doesn't catch more of these words, since that's what it's for, not for swapping out random phrases to kill our fun. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 28, 2013, 10:36:25 AM
Good points. I wouldn't mind this getting moved to GD at all. Hopefully it doesn't backfire there  :lol
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Implode on October 28, 2013, 11:16:51 AM
I like how it is currently. We have plenty of freedom in our word choice, and no one seems to be abusing that as far as I see. As for PC's problem, I'd agree that the filter should be looked into.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: ? on October 28, 2013, 11:17:16 AM
I like how it is currently. We have plenty of freedom in our word choice, and no one seems to be abusing that as far as I see. As for PC's problem, I'd agree that the filter should be looked into.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Orbert on October 28, 2013, 11:24:09 AM
I like how it is currently. We have plenty of freedom in our word choice, and no one seems to be abusing that as far as I see. As for PC's problem, I'd agree that the filter should be looked into.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: wkiml on October 28, 2013, 11:26:11 AM
PC  I have the same issue with numerous threads on here..i can read page after page than get to a page whereas someone says something and I get the company site block due to adult material
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Dr. DTVT on October 28, 2013, 11:35:32 AM
So basically this:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf9erulmi_4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf9erulmi_4)

PC = Sam Elliot
DTF = Jeff Bridges
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Prog Snob on October 28, 2013, 11:37:24 AM
I think as long as we keep it to a minimum and don't direct it at someone specific here on the forum we should be mature enough to let certain words fly.  Though I do my best in my life to not curse, sometimes they do slip out from time to time.  Calling someone a fucking asshole is different than saying i ate the whole pizza because it was fucking delicious.  Just my opinion.   
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Tick on October 28, 2013, 11:40:51 AM
My opinion...
If you are on a message board in a place that its problem for someone to see an f bomb on your screen, its probably a good idea not to be on the site in that environment. Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: snapple on October 28, 2013, 11:41:52 AM
So basically this:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf9erulmi_4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf9erulmi_4)

PC = Sam Elliot
DTF = Jeff Bridges

snapple likes this.



Also, you're on this at work. Maybe you should be working instead of reading about the NFL?
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: fibreoptix on October 28, 2013, 11:44:03 AM
So basically this:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf9erulmi_4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf9erulmi_4)

PC = Sam Elliot
DTF = Jeff Bridges

snapple likes this.



Also, you're on this at work. Maybe you should be working instead of reading about the NFL?

Browses during  breaks. Seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: snapple on October 28, 2013, 11:45:20 AM
On company equipment? I don't know, I just feel like that what PC does during his breaks shouldn't affect how I post on here.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 28, 2013, 11:50:23 AM
My opinion...
If you are on a message board in a place that its problem for someone to see an f bomb on your screen, its probably a good idea not to be on the site in that environment. Just my 2 cents.

That's kinda my point. My place of work has no problem with people occasionally taking breaks, and in fact recognizes it as something good for productivity overall. However, when people start dropping bombs, it sets the filters off to think the site is something other than what it really is -- which is a generally SFW place. Looks like wkiml has a similar thing going on.

So basically this:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf9erulmi_4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf9erulmi_4)

PC = Sam Elliot
DTF = Jeff Bridges

snapple likes this.



Also, you're on this at work. Maybe you should be working instead of reading about the NFL?

Hm... maybe you should talk to my boss? That wouldn't bode well for the department-wide pick 'em and fantasy football league we have going, though  :justjen

Not like I spend all day on DTF. I do alot myself little breaks here and there, though. Overall, it works well. Let's not turn this into a thread where we sling accusations around. Off topic and unnecessary. Thanks.

On company equipment? I don't know, I just feel like that what PC does during his breaks shouldn't affect how I post on here.

The whole point of the thread now is just to encourage discussion. No need to act like I'm taking your freedom away.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: snapple on October 28, 2013, 11:51:50 AM
I'm discussing. I think it's a dumb thing to want to change because you want to be able to take breaks at work and choose this website.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 28, 2013, 12:38:12 PM
I'm discussing. I think it's a dumb thing to want to change because you want to be able to take breaks at work and choose this website.

Well, by putting this feeler out, I was curious if more people would report having a similar problem. I don't want the entire forum to change just to me accomodate me. Let me be clear on that.

As far as it being "dumb", though, if this was an issue for many other posters (*which, it looks like that isn't going to be the case), I'd imagine that the proposed changed wouldn't be percieved as "dumb". As the users get older and the average user is a full time worker rather than a college or high school student, it's only natural that the forum would shift toward the type of setting that works best for everyone.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: ariich on October 28, 2013, 01:31:26 PM
I don't think it's a dumb thing to bring up at all, it's a very sensible area of discussion.

I think the balance should definitely be in using the filter, but of course the filter needs to be comprehensive enough. If f*** is blocked, but f***er or f***ing aren't, then personally I'd say it should be a bit better, so that those who do have work filters can still browse.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: bosk1 on October 28, 2013, 01:41:07 PM
???  Why should fish, fisher, and fishing be blocked?  I'm not following you, Rich.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Ħ on October 28, 2013, 01:43:20 PM
In addition to people who have restricted internet usage like PC, there might be some sensitive people who just prefer not to see profanity, and having that censoring option would make DTF more comfortable for them. No reason not to have a mere option to toggle on or off.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Jaq on October 28, 2013, 01:46:48 PM
I admit to being a prolific user of swear words,

But compared to how am I in the real world, here I'm as pure as the driven snow. Honestly, in this day and age, if the word "fuck" bothers you-and I'm not addressing the notion of swearing causing issues with workplace filters, I'm talking about the notion that Swearing Is Bad And You Should Feel Bad-you really need to get off the internet. People swear. And you can be crueler, fouler, or more evil and never trip a filter.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Tom Bombadil on October 28, 2013, 01:47:14 PM
???  Why should fish, fisher, and fishing be blocked?  I'm not following you, Rich.
Maybe he's an aqautic rights activist. Stop being so judgmental bosk. Some of us don't like the abuse fish take in modern language.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Prog Snob on October 28, 2013, 01:52:41 PM
???  Why should fish, fisher, and fishing be blocked?  I'm not following you, Rich.

I thought he meant fart, farter, and farting. I can see how that would be offensive. 
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Chino on October 28, 2013, 01:53:20 PM
In addition to people who have restricted internet usage like PC, there might be some sensitive people who just prefer not to see profanity, and having that censoring option would make DTF more comfortable for them. No reason not to have a mere option to toggle on or off.

That's a pretty good idea.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Tick on October 28, 2013, 02:01:53 PM
???  Why should fish, fisher, and fishing be blocked?  I'm not following you, Rich.
Well if no one else will acknowledge the sheer brilliance, I will! :metal  :lol
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Tick on October 28, 2013, 02:07:12 PM
I would still contend this is a sfw site despite the occasional curse word you may encounter. I mean if someone is looking that intensely at your screen to notice an F bomb, they are way too locked in. I have not seen many posts in all my years here that were so laden with swear words it would be noticeable to an on looker.  and many people who would see the word are probably saying the word while noticing it.
I use the f word every so often when needed but could live without ever using it at all if necessary.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on October 28, 2013, 02:20:39 PM
I would still contend this is a sfw site despite the occasional curse word you may encounter. I mean if someone is looking that intensely at your screen to notice an F bomb, they are way too locked in. I have not seen many posts in all my years here that were so laden with swear words it would be noticeable to an on looker.  and many people who would see the word are probably saying the word while noticing it.
I use the f word every so often when needed but could live without ever using it at all if necessary.

Have you met TioJorge?
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 28, 2013, 02:38:55 PM
 :lol

I don't want this thread to turn into a witch hunt, but that is a great example of how a SFW thread can get very NSFW very fast :P

No offense Tio ;)
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: ariich on October 28, 2013, 02:41:39 PM
???  Why should fish, fisher, and fishing be blocked?  I'm not following you, Rich.

I thought he meant fart, farter, and farting. I can see how that would be offensive. 
British swearing. :ariich:
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: KevShmev on October 28, 2013, 02:51:37 PM
I've never noticed the language around here being off the charts bad or anything, and I am gonna have to agree with the sentiment that if your work might have a problem with it, then don't browse this site when at work.  Or do it on your phone like it seems so many these days. ;)

Edit: And I say that as someone who rarely curses (here or in real life).  In fact, I often joke that 95% of my cursing is when I am quoting movies. :lol
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: lonestar on October 28, 2013, 02:53:14 PM
Hmmm, I'm just gonna stay the f**k out of this thread...
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on October 28, 2013, 02:53:39 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: El Barto on October 28, 2013, 02:53:50 PM
I honestly don't recall what my nickname for Dez was, but if it was what it would be today, it'd be your f-bomb preceded by dumb. I'm pretty set on what he is now. My guess is that the filter looks for whole words, not compound uses. Maybe I can send a list of every possible compound form of it to Bosk's office so he can start adding them in one by one.  :lol

As for my usage of language, I figure I'm probably one of the biggest offenders. The thing is, I write exactly as I think or speak. I will occasionally (probably more often that you think) decide that I've used too much profanity in a post and then go back to do some creative editing, but to be honest, changing my entire writing style probably wouldn't benefit anybody. And don't take this as me not being sympathetic to your cause; I certainly am. It's more about me being happy with my writing style as is.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: lonestar on October 28, 2013, 02:57:11 PM
I'm with Barto on this. Obviously my workplace isn't very PC(Politically correct, not the DTFer), and that style pretty much follows me everywhere except at Mom's house.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: kirksnosehair on October 28, 2013, 03:48:22 PM
heh, my 70 year old Mom drops more f-bombs than I do!  :lol


Anyway, I guess I won't change my avatar to this. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lwdgkG8j7Y)
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: lonestar on October 28, 2013, 03:54:29 PM
Obligatory for this thread.......(NSFW) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXk9EPxZw48 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXk9EPxZw48)
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: King Postwhore on October 28, 2013, 04:04:27 PM
At work I try not to and on Facebook with my friends kids on there but I let a little loose on DTF.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: snapple on October 28, 2013, 04:05:56 PM
I've never noticed the language around here being off the charts bad or anything, and I am gonna have to agree with the sentiment that if your work might have a problem with it, then don't browse this site when at work.  Or do it on your phone like it seems so many these days. ;)

QFT
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 28, 2013, 04:46:59 PM
I've never noticed the language around here being off the charts bad or anything, and I am gonna have to agree with the sentiment that if your work might have a problem with it, then don't browse this site when at work.  Or do it on your phone like it seems so many these days. ;)

Yeah, I know. For the record, I wouldn't feel like I had something to hide if someone from IT called me at work and asked me about DTF. At the same time, bringing up a filter screen for "Adult Material" is unsettling, and makes me feel like I'm doing something wrong, even though I'm not violating company policy or anything like that.

As far as using the phone, I should reaffirm that I'd love to see DTF compatible with tapatalk one day, and would definitely be willing to make a modest donation toward any effort to get the forum compatible with it: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=27566.0

Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Phoenix87x on October 28, 2013, 05:59:33 PM
Obligatory for this thread.......(NSFW) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXk9EPxZw48 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXk9EPxZw48)

Greatest word in the english language.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: bout to crash on October 28, 2013, 06:01:48 PM
I browse the internets while working too so I sorta feel your pain, but I'll be honest: the first phrase that popped into my head while reading the OP was "Tough shit."  :lol

Not trying to be mean, it's just not something that is going to change or should be expected to change.

When I'm not working, swear words are as common in my vocabulary as anything else. They're just words, and I believe these words are given way too much weight and taken too seriously by society. In other words, your work filter needs to chill the fuck out  :P

Btw, I think it's hilarious that thanks to a few others and now me, you probably won't be able to read your own thread at work.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: El Barto on October 28, 2013, 06:04:48 PM
Btw, I think it's hilarious that thanks to a few others and now me, you probably won't be able to read your own thread at work.
Yeah, I definitely considered that in my reply, but since I seemed to be the impetus for the thread in the first place I figured I'd play nice this time around.  :lol
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: bout to crash on October 28, 2013, 06:14:24 PM
Yeah, I had originally intended to keep my reply clean, but when I saw others doing it I figured the thread was fucked already anyway so I might as well be myself  :lol
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 28, 2013, 06:36:25 PM
Yup. It is :)

For the record, most swear words don't really set the filters off. However, most which derive from a sexual thing do, so f--- or c--- or calling someone a d--- do.

It may seem like I'm whining or something. I hope not. Until I made this thread, there was no way I could have known that others weren't having the same issues. Since only one person has come forward mentioning they have similar issues, I obviously don't expect the forum change just because myself and a handful of others would prefer it.

It will probably mean that I browse less from work, though. Which will mean a lot less in total. Again, while the forum itself is nothing I'd feel ashamed of or anything I believe violates company policy, being flagged for trying to access "adult material", even if it's just an automated thing that never results in any follow-up, is just not something I'm comfortable with. 

Honestly, my company's IT is a bit paranoid. My supervisor and I were just talking about how incredible they are. Sometimes, we can't even access news sites where articles relevant to our business are posted - because there's another article on the site which is about something sexual. We have a good laugh about how it inhibits our business, and then move on.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: pogoowner on October 28, 2013, 06:45:40 PM
I think that's just sort of the nature of those types of filters. It's kind of an all or nothing thing, because if it was somehow scaled back, it would no longer be remotely effective. That's how it always seemed to me anyway, and I've dealt with a few in the past.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Ħ on October 28, 2013, 06:52:51 PM
You can say, "Tough, that's just how the internet is," but in light of how simple the solution is, such a response is unwarranted. A simple option to toggle censor on/off option will make everyone happy and hurts no one.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Neon on October 28, 2013, 07:02:31 PM
I was raised in a family of "potty mouths" and F-Bombs etc, are so commonplace to me that honestly I don't even really notice when other people speak/type them. 

Regarding filters:  I used to post on the Philadelphia Eagles message board very frequently, and the filters over there were super strict.  I never changed my posting style over it, but my finished products were always laced with "F***" and "S***," which to me is more annoying and more obvious than if the actual words were just visible...I mean it's not like you can't tell what was being said anyway.  Sometimes I do go back and edit myself but it's more for proofreading/clarity/redundancy purposes than trying to "watch my mouth."

If you guys decide filters are the way to go, I'm not going to stop posting here, nor am I going to change my posting style.  But I just think it's a little corny to be honest.  We're all adults here- seeing a couple of F-Bombs scattered throughout the day shouldn't be that big of a deal- maybe just stay off this particular site while at work?  (I never come on this site during work hours either ;))

Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: bosk1 on October 28, 2013, 07:13:33 PM
We have a filter already.  Again, I will try to make it a bit more comprehensive about what it picks up if that will help people out.  But it's up to individual users to turn it on or off in your own profile settings.

Interestingly, I'm in a workplace where words don't trigger anything.  Given that most of what we do involves investigating workplace misconduct, we are sometimes exposed to some VERY explicit things.  There is even the occasional instance of people viewing or sending porn at work, so if our filters flagged every time those words came up, most of us would get flagged several times a week, if not more.  :lol
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: El Barto on October 28, 2013, 07:14:49 PM
You can say, "Tough, that's just how the internet is," but in light of how simple the solution is, such a response is unwarranted. A simple option to toggle censor on/off option will make everyone happy and hurts no one.
But there is such a thing??? I keep mine turned off (for obvious reasons), but it took me 20 seconds to find it's location. Hell, we even occasionally get posts on the matter from people confused by Smiled In My Pants references.  :lol  I understand that the filter might not be particularly good, but that's something Bosk said he would look into.

edit: ninja'd by Bosk, quite thoroughly.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Dr. DTVT on October 28, 2013, 09:33:34 PM
Dang,  Bosk get paid to look at porn.

PC, FWIW, I think you brought up the subject the best way anyone could, and you did it without whining or making an ass of yourself.  It's a good convo to have.  I'm just thankful I have the freedom to do what I want in my office, I guess it is a perk for being woefully underpaid for my level of expertise.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: bosk1 on October 28, 2013, 09:34:10 PM
Dang,  Bosk get paid to look at porn.

???  Doesn't everybody?
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 28, 2013, 09:46:42 PM
Dang,  Bosk get paid to look at porn.

???  Doesn't everybody?

Well there are people like Zydar who get paid to be porn. The rest of us have to settle with just looking at it, I suppose.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: bout to crash on October 29, 2013, 08:39:23 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: cramx3 on October 29, 2013, 11:37:09 AM
The solution for PC is to just use you phone. That's what I do. I don't need my work to know what sites I am surfing plus if your company let's you surf the web I'm sure they would let you use your phone.

As for the overall feel of cursing... I see lots of cursing here but rarely if ever do I see something that is crossing the line so I don't see why anything should change.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: King Postwhore on October 29, 2013, 11:47:05 AM
Dang,  Bosk get paid to look at porn.

???  Doesn't everybody?

Well there are people like Zydar who get paid to be porn. The rest of us have to settle with just looking at it, I suppose.

We need a slogan.

Zy, when porn isn't enough.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: bosk1 on October 29, 2013, 11:50:33 AM
I'm not sure why people keep saying this like this:
...I don't see why anything should change.

Nothing in the original post or any subsequent comments from any mod ever ask for or suggest that things will change.  This is a discussion.  Where are you people getting this from?
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: King Postwhore on October 29, 2013, 11:51:41 AM
Right bosk1, I don't #$^&#$% know where?!
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 29, 2013, 01:12:38 PM
I know I've been guilty of cursing on here, but its how I converse on the outside as well. Hell, I'm worse outside this forum.

I'm in the camp of using your phone. Although I undertand why you don't cause typing long replies is time consuming.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: jingle.boy on October 29, 2013, 01:42:27 PM
I second Mason's compliment of how PC brought this up.  :tup

For the most part, I work from home (when I'm not traveling), so I'm on my personal laptop.  However, for the rare times I am at an office of ours, I have occasionally been filtered out of some threads, and thought :wtf:

Improving the site's filter capabilities seems to be the best option.  I don't see it being enough of a problem across the board that a few hundred (regular) posters should/need to adjust their style for the few situations where it's a problem.

And it is the most versatile word in the English language.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: lonestar on October 29, 2013, 01:46:10 PM
The filters at my hotel are a joke. No Facebook, no Twitter, but pretty much everything else is accessable. We only have one IT guy, and I know he is way too busy fixing all our archaic shit to worry about anyone looking at anything unsavory. One look at my boss's browsing history is certain confirmation of that. (he isn't too savvy with computers, and doesn't clear it lol)
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Prog Snob on October 29, 2013, 01:50:27 PM
The filters at my hotel are a joke. No Facebook, no Twitter, but pretty much everything else is accessable. We only have one IT guy, and I know he is way too busy fixing all our archaic shit to worry about anyone looking at anything unsavory. One look at my boss's browsing history is certain confirmation of that. (he isn't too savvy with computers, and doesn't clear it lol)

Just a little helpful friendly hint.  Facebook is blocked here at my job, but the simple little trick of using https instead of http removes the block.  The company here uses Sonic Wall so if the hotel uses that, it should work.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: El Barto on October 29, 2013, 02:43:47 PM
First off, despite being the one that was singled out, I thought PC addressed it quite appropriately. I think the first few people who told him it was his problem and to just deal with it were also quite courteous about it (personally, I'm just glad others brought it up so I didn't have to  :lol). Seems like a lot of people are posting without reading the entire thread, leading to false assumptions.

Secondly, who the hell wants to look at pr0n at work, anyway? We've got one of those up here. Seriously, WTF? Hell, I like porn as much as the next guy, but I have no interest in being, um, interested in it while at work. I understand why companies have to install filters, hell installing one here would save me from rebuilding several computers a year because numbnuts up there, but the people who necessitate them just baffle me.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: kirksnosehair on October 29, 2013, 03:43:44 PM
The filters at my hotel are a joke. No Facebook, no Twitter, but pretty much everything else is accessable. We only have one IT guy, and I know he is way too busy fixing all our archaic shit to worry about anyone looking at anything unsavory. One look at my boss's browsing history is certain confirmation of that. (he isn't too savvy with computers, and doesn't clear it lol)

Just a little helpful friendly hint.  Facebook is blocked here at my job, but the simple little trick of using https instead of http removes the block.  The company here uses Sonic Wall so if the hotel uses that, it should work.


No offense, but  :rollin




That's not really how it works.  The person that set up your SonicWall goofed. 
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Prog Snob on October 29, 2013, 04:01:00 PM
The filters at my hotel are a joke. No Facebook, no Twitter, but pretty much everything else is accessable. We only have one IT guy, and I know he is way too busy fixing all our archaic shit to worry about anyone looking at anything unsavory. One look at my boss's browsing history is certain confirmation of that. (he isn't too savvy with computers, and doesn't clear it lol)

Just a little helpful friendly hint.  Facebook is blocked here at my job, but the simple little trick of using https instead of http removes the block.  The company here uses Sonic Wall so if the hotel uses that, it should work.


No offense, but  :rollin




That's not really how it works.  The person that set up your SonicWall goofed.

 :-[

Well... then two people goofed because that makes two companies in a row where it worked.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: JayOctavarium on October 29, 2013, 04:53:48 PM
I shall test this theory tomorrow!
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: lonestar on October 29, 2013, 05:17:03 PM
Eh, I'll give it a shot. Some workstations are allowed it, so maybe there is a loophole like that somewhere, not that I really need to access it there. I usually only access DTF when I got something really important and long to post.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: jingle.boy on October 29, 2013, 06:59:58 PM
Eh, I'll give it a shot. Some workstations are allowed it, so maybe there is a loophole like that somewhere, not that I really need to access it there. I usually only access DTF when I got something really important and long to post.

There's a penis joke in there somewhere.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: King Postwhore on October 29, 2013, 07:01:16 PM
Loophole.




There it is.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Cable on October 29, 2013, 08:57:16 PM
As far as PCs original post, I personally didn't notice excessively bad language. But that doesn't mean it's not bad, worse or normal.

Regarding workplace use, I wish! I originally did that at internship 2 of 4 on MPs forum, but haven't been able to since at any workplace since due to either filters, or my current line of work. Driving and meeting with people face to face isn't conducive to msg board posting. 95% of my small amount of posts therefore comes from my phone.

While I'm not versed on much phone tech for forums, I would also be down for a mobile device friendly theme, application or whatever else.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Sycsa on October 31, 2013, 07:41:25 AM
This thread is ridiculous. :lol I had a feeling they'd talk about it over at the 5/8 forums. Wasn't disappointed.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 31, 2013, 07:43:36 AM
This thread is ridiculous. :lol I had a feeling they'd talk about it over at the 5/8 forums. Wasn't disappointed.

Nobody gives a shit what they say.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Prog Snob on October 31, 2013, 07:50:20 AM
This thread is ridiculous. :lol I had a feeling they'd talk about it over at the 5/8 forums. Wasn't disappointed.

Nobody gives a shit what they say.

There's a leak in the forum.  Fuckers.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Sycsa on October 31, 2013, 07:51:01 AM
This thread is ridiculous. :lol I had a feeling they'd talk about it over at the 5/8 forums. Wasn't disappointed.

Nobody gives a shit what they say.
Oh, definitely. But it could prove to be a fun tool to measure the ridiculousness of a given post. When I read the OP, I though, "wow, they must have a field day with this one."
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: black_biff_stadler on October 31, 2013, 08:15:28 PM
Not really. They'll make fun of anything DTF-related because it's easy for "like" fishing over there since many of them innately dislike DTF based on their pre-(2007)split memories of the community and there are more than a few members who never even joined 5/8 until well after the split who just join in on the "fun" having no idea what it is they're even joking about in the first place but just faking their way through it all so they feel included in the gag.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Perpetual Change on November 01, 2013, 04:28:06 AM
Guys,  :chill

I post at 5/8 regularly. Getting your chops busted is just part of being part of that community. It's fine  :lol

Many people here seem to get really upset about 5/8... maybe those people should stop going there all the time?

And no Sysca, 5/8 making fun of something isn't a "measure of ridiculousness", lol, were that the case everything would be "ridiculous".
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: wolfking on November 01, 2013, 04:33:57 AM
I think random offensive / explicit language is becoming a problem here for me.

I don't think there is a fucking problem at all.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Perpetual Change on November 01, 2013, 04:37:47 AM
OK
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: wolfking on November 01, 2013, 04:40:09 AM
In seriousness to the OP,  I too don't see an overuse in bad language.  I do admit I am one of the worst offenders to be honest, but I think most people here are really tame with bad language and respectful to the rules.

Or, I could just be so immune to it I don't notice it.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: XJDenton on November 01, 2013, 05:59:42 AM
Could you not ask the IT guys to whitelist the site? I mean, sure, bad language pops up every so often but its by no means an adult site here.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Dark Castle on November 01, 2013, 07:24:17 AM
Could you not ask the IT guys to whitelist the site? I mean, sure, bad language pops up every so often but its by no means an adult site here.
*IT guys check site out, first thread they see is the Celeb Crush Thread*
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: black_biff_stadler on November 01, 2013, 07:41:50 AM
Or my shirtless hemorrhoid remedy pic.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Dark Castle on November 01, 2013, 07:43:18 AM
Or my Vinyl only pic.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: lonestar on November 01, 2013, 07:44:34 AM
Or my shirtless hemorrhoid remedy pic.

Or my Vinyl only pic.

The only "adult" thing about those pics is what I do to myself whilst staring at them.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: black_biff_stadler on November 01, 2013, 07:46:11 AM
(https://img.pandawhale.com/post-23470-Jeremiah-Johnson-nod-cropped-g-jtcK.gif)
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Prog Snob on November 01, 2013, 08:01:40 AM
Or my shirtless hemorrhoid remedy pic.

Or my Vinyl only pic.

The only "adult" thing about those pics is what I do to myself whilst staring at them.

Have a midlife crisis?
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: fibreoptix on November 01, 2013, 09:29:32 AM
Have a midlife crisis?

 :lol
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: lonestar on November 01, 2013, 09:40:40 AM
Or my shirtless hemorrhoid remedy pic.

Or my Vinyl only pic.

The only "adult" thing about those pics is what I do to myself whilst staring at them.

Have a midlife crisis?

 :lol
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: bout to crash on November 01, 2013, 10:17:25 AM
I love you guys.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: lonestar on November 02, 2013, 09:48:04 AM
Oh the irony, just tried to log onto Dtf at the hotel I'm at, and was blocked cause of language.  :lol
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: JayOctavarium on November 02, 2013, 09:51:51 AM
:getoffmylawn:
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: jingle.boy on November 02, 2013, 10:43:44 AM
Oh the irony, just tried to log onto Dtf at the hotel I'm at, and was blocked cause of language.  :lol

What fuckin hotel are you at.  How are you supposed to get free pron?
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Prog Snob on November 02, 2013, 12:33:15 PM
Oh the irony, just tried to log onto Dtf at the hotel I'm at, and was blocked cause of language.  :lol

What fuckin hotel are you at.  How are you supposed to get free pron?

In a case like that, I'd go out and make my own.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: jingle.boy on November 02, 2013, 12:48:52 PM
Oh the irony, just tried to log onto Dtf at the hotel I'm at, and was blocked cause of language.  :lol

What fuckin hotel are you at.  How are you supposed to get free pron?

In a case like that, I'd go out and make my own.

:zydarscouch:
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: lonestar on November 02, 2013, 11:08:01 PM
Oh the irony, just tried to log onto Dtf at the hotel I'm at, and was blocked cause of language.  :lol

What fuckin hotel are you at.  How are you supposed to get free pron?
To clarify, it was the business center computer, not the wifi.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: jingle.boy on November 03, 2013, 05:35:31 AM
Oh the irony, just tried to log onto Dtf at the hotel I'm at, and was blocked cause of language.  :lol

What fuckin hotel are you at.  How are you supposed to get free pron?
To clarify, it was the business center computer, not the wifi.

Gotchya.  That would certainly make fapping a bit awkward.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Jaq on November 03, 2013, 08:05:38 AM
Oh the irony, just tried to log onto Dtf at the hotel I'm at, and was blocked cause of language.  :lol

What fuckin hotel are you at.  How are you supposed to get free pron?
To clarify, it was the business center computer, not the wifi.

Gotchya.  That would certainly make fapping a bit awkward.

 :rollin
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: El Barto on November 04, 2013, 02:17:03 PM
Secondly, who the hell wants to look at pr0n at work, anyway? We've got one of those up here. Seriously, WTF? Hell, I like porn as much as the next guy, but I have no interest in being, um, interested in it while at work. I understand why companies have to install filters, hell installing one here would save me from rebuilding several computers a year because numbnuts up there, but the people who necessitate them just baffle me.
And within days of posting this, we're now troubleshooting issues with numbnut's computer.  >:(

It's always the fucking art people. You give somebody a job that focuses on design work, and they'll manufacture time to look at things they shouldn't. Another thing I've noticed is that the amount of computer problems a person has is directly related to the amount of privacy he has. I bet Kirk will back me up on this. Take every person at a company and make sure that their computer screen is visible to every other employee, and you'll cut your need for an IT department by a third.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: bosk1 on November 11, 2013, 05:11:08 PM
Last week, I relocated my computer so that the monitor does NOT face the doorway.
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: black_biff_stadler on November 12, 2013, 08:13:18 PM
Exercising the penal system?
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on November 12, 2013, 08:53:02 PM
I never use language when posting
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: Orbert on November 12, 2013, 08:57:39 PM
That's good, because language can be offensive.  It's often best to just not say anything.  :P


It still makes me chuckle sometimes when I see things rated R or TV-MA because of explicit language or graphic images.

"explicit" just means "precise" or "specific", and "graphic" just means "highly detailed".  We wouldn't want our children hearing precise, specific language, or being exposed to highly detailed imagery, would we?
Title: Re: Use of explicit language at DTF
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on November 12, 2013, 09:09:01 PM
Fuck no we wouldn't!