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Question:
Who?
Option 1: Me
votes: 56
Option 2: Not me
votes: 113
Lately there seems to be some renwered anticipation for Dream Theater to do a follow up to Scenes From a Memory.
I listened to Scenes awhile ago, and honestly, it has not help up particularly well. Although there are a few songs I love (Beyond this Life, The Spirit Caries On), I do not enjoy the story, and while I think that while Metropolis itself is an awesome song, a third refrain of its musical themes would just be overkill. Personally, I probably would rank Scenes in the bottom half of Dream Theater albums: better than WDADU and the four album run from Train of Thought to Black Clouds, but below everything else.
So it goes without saying that I really have no interest in a Metropolis Pt. III record. Does anyone?
I agree. Although I like Scenes, I don't want DT to just keep going back to something they've already had success doing. I want them to keep progressing and expanding to different sounds.
I'd rather not have a Metropolis Pt. 3, though I am open to the band doing another concept album in the future, so long as it's completely new. :tup
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I don't understand why anybody would want Metropolis III.
While I would like to listen to it, I'd rather they not make it. SFAM is my favorite DT album, but I'd rather go for something new.
Definitely not me! But I mean, if they were to actually do it it's not that I would bar my ears to it. :lol
I'd like to hear a song based on the Metropolis themes, maybe an epic or semi-epic, but an entire album would be too much, I think. Metropolis started out as a single track, was expanded to a full concept album, and now they could consider Part III to be a sort of Epilogue. A single track to bring the concept to a final conclusion.
Quote from: kirksnosehair on July 25, 2013, 11:08:01 AM
I'd like to hear a song based on the Metropolis themes, maybe an epic or semi-epic, but an entire album would be too much, I think. Metropolis started out as a single track, was expanded to a full concept album, and now they could consider Part III to be a sort of Epilogue. A single track to bring the concept to a final conclusion.
The ideal
Quote from: senecadawg2 on July 25, 2013, 11:09:14 AM
Quote from: kirksnosehair on July 25, 2013, 11:08:01 AM
I'd like to hear a song based on the Metropolis themes, maybe an epic or semi-epic, but an entire album would be too much, I think. Metropolis started out as a single track, was expanded to a full concept album, and now they could consider Part III to be a sort of Epilogue. A single track to bring the concept to a final conclusion.
The ideal
accidentally the whole thing?
Sort of what Moon Safary did with Lover's End? Could be an idea for an EP.
Quote from: Mosh on July 25, 2013, 11:05:19 AMI don't understand why anybody would want Metropolis III.
Pretty much this. I love SFAM. But there is zero reason to do a pt. III.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on July 25, 2013, 10:59:03 AM
Lately there seems to be some renwered anticipation for Dream Theater to do a follow up to Scenes From a Memory.
There is anticipation for Metropolis Pt. 3 before every album. XD
No reason for it.
Some sequels things are best left untouched.
A Metropolis Pt. III would feel like an Operation Mindcrime Pt. II.
I don't think it's something they should do. But if they did do it, I'd have faith in them that it wouldn't be bad. I just can't imagine them doing it though.
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 25, 2013, 11:34:41 AM
A Metropolis Pt. III would feel like an Operation Mindcrime Pt. II.
I thought about making that exact same analogy. But the thing is, Mindcrime II
could have been really good. Both musically and storywise, there are some really cool ideas. It's just that Tate was in it solely for the cash grab and didn't include his bandmates or listen to anyone else to take it the direction it should have gone. The delayed revenge motif, and the theme of revenge being unsatisfying, and the resulting dispair are cool ideas that fit the Mindcrime story very well, if not for being ruined by other stupid ideas that did not belong there.
Scenes was great. But there is nowhere logical to take it that I can conceive of making me say, "Oh yeah, that's a cool, logical extension of the ideas developed in Scenes."
Quote from: bosk1 on July 25, 2013, 11:41:27 AM
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 25, 2013, 11:34:41 AM
A Metropolis Pt. III would feel like an Operation Mindcrime Pt. II.
Scenes was great. But there is nowhere logical to take it that I can conceive of making me say, "Oh yeah, that's a cool, logical extension of the ideas developed in Scenes."
This. Scenes ended. The note it ended on, while slightly ambiguous, was final. It's much like trying to make a sequel to Inception.
Quote from: Joshin U on July 25, 2013, 11:47:52 AM
Quote from: bosk1 on July 25, 2013, 11:41:27 AM
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 25, 2013, 11:34:41 AM
A Metropolis Pt. III would feel like an Operation Mindcrime Pt. II.
Scenes was great. But there is nowhere logical to take it that I can conceive of making me say, "Oh yeah, that's a cool, logical extension of the ideas developed in Scenes."
This. Scenes ended. The note it ended on, while slightly ambiguous, was final. It's much like trying to make a sequel to Inception.
Dream within a Dream Theater... :neverusethis:
Personally, I don't really care, but I would like them to write an album LIKE SFAM, in terms of structure. What I mean is, one of the things I liked about SFAM the most is that it had recurring musical themes throughout the album, and if they did another concept album, I would definitely like to hear more recurring themes within that album. Heck, maybe even build upon one of their other fan-favorite songs and create a sequel to that.
Quote from: bosk1 on July 25, 2013, 11:13:24 AM
Quote from: Mosh on July 25, 2013, 11:05:19 AMI don't understand why anybody would want Metropolis III.
Pretty much this. I love SFAM. But there is zero reason to do a pt. III.
+ 1
Seeing as the original Metropolis was only called Part 1 as a prog piss-take and they band have repeatedly balked at and laughed off the idea of a third.
Quote from: bosk1 on July 25, 2013, 11:41:27 AM
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 25, 2013, 11:34:41 AM
A Metropolis Pt. III would feel like an Operation Mindcrime Pt. II.
I thought about making that exact same analogy. But the thing is, Mindcrime II could have been really good. Both musically and storywise, there are some really cool ideas. It's just that Tate was in it solely for the cash grab and didn't include his bandmates or listen to anyone else to take it the direction it should have gone. The delayed revenge motif, and the theme of revenge being unsatisfying, and the resulting dispair are cool ideas that fit the Mindcrime story very well, if not for being ruined by other stupid ideas that did not belong there.
Scenes was great. But there is nowhere logical to take it that I can conceive of making me say, "Oh yeah, that's a cool, logical extension of the ideas developed in Scenes."
Definitely, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Maybe to state my thoughts in a clearer way, Metropolis Pt. III would feel like a stuck DT, trying to desperately go back to some of the themes and concepts that made them a big band. As it has been said many, many times for many, many years, there is no musical/logical/conceptual/magical reason to make a Metropolis Pt. III album. The joke was told (Pt. 1), and the story was told (Pt. 2). Also, Dream Theater still strikes to me as a creative band that has still musical territory to discover without them having to go back to what made them great more than 10 years ago.
Nobody remembers this?
https://www.gabbo.net/dt/faq/af00/
:D
Quote from: lyfeternl on July 25, 2013, 11:54:20 AM
Quote from: Joshin U on July 25, 2013, 11:47:52 AM
Quote from: bosk1 on July 25, 2013, 11:41:27 AM
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 25, 2013, 11:34:41 AM
A Metropolis Pt. III would feel like an Operation Mindcrime Pt. II.
Scenes was great. But there is nowhere logical to take it that I can conceive of making me say, "Oh yeah, that's a cool, logical extension of the ideas developed in Scenes."
This. Scenes ended. The note it ended on, while slightly ambiguous, was final. It's much like trying to make a sequel to Inception.
Dream within a Dream Theater... :neverusethis:
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Quote from: noxon on July 25, 2013, 12:01:54 PM
Nobody remembers this?
https://www.gabbo.net/dt/faq/af00/
:D
Oh dear, this is so fake it's amazing.
Quote from: noxon on July 25, 2013, 12:01:54 PM
Nobody remembers this?
https://www.gabbo.net/dt/faq/af00/
:D
Yup. I have a copy saved in the archive somewhere.
Who wants this ?
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Quote from: Sycsa on July 25, 2013, 02:48:50 AM
I always thought a good way to continue the Metropolis saga would be to give the Hypnotherapist an intriguing backstory that would give him a reason to shoot Nicholas in the present life. Completing the circle yet again would just be the icing on the cake.
Quote from: Kotowboy on July 25, 2013, 12:30:32 PM
Who wants this ?
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I do!
Also I could do with a Starbucks-themed approach :metal
If "Metropolis Pt. III" happened to be an instrumental song, I wouldn't mind it. :P
But from a lyrical standpoint, I don't think the story should be resurrected.
Quote from: erik16 on July 25, 2013, 12:37:25 PM
Also I could do with a Starbucks-themed approach :metal
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Quote from: Kotowboy on July 25, 2013, 12:47:29 PM
Quote from: erik16 on July 25, 2013, 12:37:25 PM
Also I could do with a Starbucks-themed approach :metal
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:tup JMX would love it!
Honestly, if DT made Metropolis Pt III, and they made it better than (or as good) as SFAM, I would absolutely love to hear it. I don't know why any DT fan wouldn't.
A better question would be "would you want DT to take the risk of writing Metropolis Pt 3?".
Would I listen to Metropolis Pt. 3 if DT released it? Sure. Do I want them to release Metropolis Pt. 3? Hell no!
Quote from: noxon on July 25, 2013, 12:01:54 PM
Nobody remembers this?
https://www.gabbo.net/dt/faq/af00/
:D
This is now tied with sliced bread and RobWebster as the best thing ever.
Oh, yeah, right, I never thought of the "prequel" angle. That's how they could do a Part III and not have it be completely ridiculous. Right? RIGHT?? R I G H T ??
Quote from: noxon on July 25, 2013, 12:01:54 PM
Nobody remembers this?
https://www.gabbo.net/dt/faq/af00/
:D
That's... awesome :lol
Quote from: GasparXR on July 25, 2013, 11:16:08 AM
Quote from: Perpetual Change on July 25, 2013, 10:59:03 AM
Lately there seems to be some renwered anticipation for Dream Theater to do a follow up to Scenes From a Memory.
There is anticipation for Metropolis Pt. 3 before every album. XD
THIS.
Quote from: Kotowboy on July 25, 2013, 12:30:32 PM
Who wants this ?
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Beautiful.
Quote from: Mister Gold on July 25, 2013, 11:04:50 AM
I'd rather not have a Metropolis Pt. 3, though I am open to the band doing another concept album in the future, so long as it's completely new. :tup
This.
Whoever puts "not me" is insane
Quote from: Marion Crane on July 25, 2013, 01:48:51 PM
Whoever puts "not me" is insane
That's a lot of people.
You guys honestly mean to tell us that if DT released Metropolis pt. 3, you would go "Nah....not interested. Don't really wanna hear it."
No way in hell
Quote from: Marion Crane on July 25, 2013, 01:53:55 PM
You guys honestly mean to tell us that if DT released Metropolis pt. 3, you would go "Nah....not interested. Don't really wanna hear it."
No way in hell
I'd still listen to it. But I have no desire for them to do it.
Quote from: Marion Crane on July 25, 2013, 01:53:55 PM
You guys honestly mean to tell us that if DT released Metropolis pt. 3, you would go "Nah....not interested. Don't really wanna hear it."
No way in hell
The point isn't whether we would want to hear it if they released it. The point is that most of us wouldn't want them to release it in the first place because would be pointless and would likely sound forced.
Sorry, I just assumed from a thread title like "Who wants to listen to Metropolis pt. III" and people selecting "not me", that would mean they wouldn't want to listen to it.
My bad I guess :huh:
Quote from: Marion Crane on July 25, 2013, 01:48:51 PM
Whoever puts "not me" is insane
Hey now I'm undergoing treatment for it though!
Less facetiously: would rather see them do something new rather than rework old themes again. I'd listen to a part III if they did it, and love it if it was awesome, but I have no interest in them actually
doing it.
I want to hear Metropolis Pt.3 so bad.
Metropolis part 3 would be like the last Indiana Jones or Police academy 45. Some things should just be left alone in their glory.
Quote from: johncal on July 25, 2013, 03:18:46 PM
Metropolis part 3 would be like the last Indiana Jones or Police academy 45. Some things should just be left alone in their glory.
No, I think it'd be more like Terminator 3, well made for what it is, but not in a million years, able to reach the heights that Part 2 had reached, and thus, not able to reach the inevitable expectations.
"Not me." To quote Jordan Rudess - "That, my friend, would be like a bad movie, don't you think? One that went on and on and on. I'm not saying it's never gonna happen, but it's somewhat doubtful."
I'm not particularly attached to the Metropolis concept in any of its iterations, I don't think it's a story that I have any desire to revisit.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on July 25, 2013, 10:59:03 AM
Lately there seems to be some renwered anticipation for Dream Theater to do a follow up to Scenes From a Memory.
I don't know if it's renewed anticipation, necessarily, so much as just picking up a theme. The new album's titles and SfaM do share broad themes of sleep, dreams and murder. I don't think this particularly substantiates it as a theory - everyone thought Octavarium would be a concept album with strong religious themes for about a month - but I think it's extrapolating from scraps, more than any particular increase in appetite for such an album. Or that's my interpretation! I could be completely wrong.
Quote from: robwebster on July 25, 2013, 03:55:52 PMI don't know if it's renewed anticipation, necessarily, so much as just picking up a theme. The new album's titles and SfaM do share broad themes of sleep, dreams and murder. I don't think this particularly substantiates it as a theory - everyone thought Octavarium would be a concept album with strong religious themes for about a month - but I think it's extrapolating from scraps, more than any particular increase in appetite for such an album. Or that's my interpretation! I could be completely wrong.
That's interesting about Octavarium being speculated in that way. One song did end up having a religious theme, that being Sacrificed Sons.
I suppose, to an extent - it certainly touches on religious themes, yeah. That said, I think it's about as secular as any song with the title "Sacrificed Sons" can possibly be.
A Metropolis pt. III would be an intelligent marketing strategy for a grand return if something bad happened to the band and it ceased activities...
Quote from: GasparXR on July 25, 2013, 04:08:07 PM
Quote from: robwebster on July 25, 2013, 03:55:52 PMI don't know if it's renewed anticipation, necessarily, so much as just picking up a theme. The new album's titles and SfaM do share broad themes of sleep, dreams and murder. I don't think this particularly substantiates it as a theory - everyone thought Octavarium would be a concept album with strong religious themes for about a month - but I think it's extrapolating from scraps, more than any particular increase in appetite for such an album. Or that's my interpretation! I could be completely wrong.
That's interesting about Octavarium being speculated in that way.
The main reason for that is because nobody knew what an "Octavarium" is/was. Prior to the album/song being released, the only thing a google search would yield would be references to the Octavarium Romanum: https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11203b.htm
Quote from: GasparXR on July 25, 2013, 04:08:07 PM
Quote from: robwebster on July 25, 2013, 03:55:52 PMI don't know if it's renewed anticipation, necessarily, so much as just picking up a theme. The new album's titles and SfaM do share broad themes of sleep, dreams and murder. I don't think this particularly substantiates it as a theory - everyone thought Octavarium would be a concept album with strong religious themes for about a month - but I think it's extrapolating from scraps, more than any particular increase in appetite for such an album. Or that's my interpretation! I could be completely wrong.
That's interesting about Octavarium being speculated in that way. One song did end up having a religious theme, that being Sacrificed Sons.
And I Walk Beside You chorus could refer to Jesus... If one were so inclined.
Quote from: tiagodon on July 25, 2013, 04:35:55 PM
A Metropolis pt. III would be an intelligent marketing strategy for a grand return if something bad happened to the band and it ceased activities...
True.
But Until then. No.
Another would ruin the previous 2, so no.
Quote from: tiagodon on July 25, 2013, 04:35:55 PM
A Metropolis pt. III would be an intelligent marketing strategy for a grand return if something bad happened to the band and it ceased activities...
You mean, like, if they listened to Portnoy?
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 25, 2013, 11:56:29 AM
Heck, maybe even build upon one of their other fan-favorite songs and create a sequel to that.
Ah yes, the big reveal of what big fuckin' thing James LaBrie gave to his wife.
Quote from: Grizz on July 25, 2013, 05:35:42 PM
Ah yes, the big reveal of what big fuckin' thing James LaBrie gave to his wife.
Dream Theater - The Canadian Rap Pt. 2: Scenes From Tim Hortons
Scenes ain't that good, and I don't generally like "concept albums" anyway. I'd just like to hear something different from them.
-J
Quote from: Grizz on July 25, 2013, 05:35:42 PM
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 25, 2013, 11:56:29 AM
Heck, maybe even build upon one of their other fan-favorite songs and create a sequel to that.
Ah yes, the big reveal of what big fuckin' thing James LaBrie gave to his wife.
But, what it is, he can't tell us.
Like it has been said, the story is wrapped up, over. It would be completely unnecessary, it sounds like people want it just for the sake of a continuation. It's like when successful movies make sequels that the franchise could do completely without.
But sure I would listen to it.
Quote from: Nearmyth on July 25, 2013, 08:42:00 PM
Like it has been said, the story is wrapped up, over. It would be completely unnecessary, it sounds like people want it just for the sake of a continuation. It's like when successful movies make sequels that the franchise could do completely without.
But sure I would listen to it.
The difference is that this is music and not cinema though. People don't listen to music for the story (although I guess some people do care about the lyrics), people listen for the actual music. So I think the majority of people who want Metropolis Pt 3, aren't saying they desperately want a continuation of the story, I think they just want another album sharing the same musical themes, and that's all that it would need to be, I think.
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I adore SFAM like almost no other album, but please, let this die. The whole point of Metropolis pt 2 was to end it, and it could not have done so more perfectly. Done. Over.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on July 25, 2013, 09:14:48 PM
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I adore SFAM like almost no other album, but please, let this die. The whole point of Metropolis pt 2 was to end it, and it could not have done so more perfectly. Done. Over.
I have a question. People keep talking about how they want to hear more of the story, but was the story really that good? I mean, I thought most people liked it for the music. Compared to its fellow concept albums (Mindcrime, The Wall, etc) the story was pretty average IMO.
There is a binary theme to Metropis 1 and 2, and therfore, DT intended to only have two parts. A third part would go against the theme. Consider the "theme of two's" found in the Metropolis suite: M2 is a TWO act play, twin brothers, the duality of the Miracle and the Sleeper, etc. Both parts serve as a binary counterpart to the other.
Consider further the thematic sequences of how both stories unfold. It is clear that the themes are a tandem, but set up as mirror opposites: Metropolis 1 progresses with the following sequence: First=Death, Second=Deceit, Third=Love. Metropolis Part 2 contrasts this by telling a story in the diametric opposite: First=Love, Second=Deceit, Third=Death.
If you ponder the above you will see that the concept of Metropolis was always intended as a couplet, and thus should remain cemented in two parts.
I only just listened to SFAM recently but I don't think there should be a part 3. SFAM felt pretty complete, there's no need for another part.
I wanted to write some lengthy reply, but this sums it up perfectly:
Quote from: Lucidity on July 25, 2013, 09:32:19 PM
Quote from: BlobVanDam on July 25, 2013, 09:14:48 PM
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I adore SFAM like almost no other album, but please, let this die. The whole point of Metropolis pt 2 was to end it, and it could not have done so more perfectly. Done. Over.
He's hitting it at the same tempo as the song i'm listening to :biggrin:
Quote from: Mosh on July 25, 2013, 10:09:58 PM
I have a question. People keep talking about how they want to hear more of the story, but was the story really that good? I mean, I thought most people liked it for the music. Compared to its fellow concept albums (Mindcrime, The Wall, etc) the story was pretty average IMO.
I listened to SFAM last night, inspired by this thread, and was about halfway through it when I thought "how the hell did we go from a song that was basically about cities to the story of a guy having past life memories of a woman who was torn between a senator and his gambler brother?" :rollin
There's a lot of reasons why SFAM is my favorite DT album, but none of them are the story.
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 25, 2013, 08:49:35 PM
Quote from: Nearmyth on July 25, 2013, 08:42:00 PM
Like it has been said, the story is wrapped up, over. It would be completely unnecessary, it sounds like people want it just for the sake of a continuation. It's like when successful movies make sequels that the franchise could do completely without.
But sure I would listen to it.
The difference is that this is music and not cinema though. People don't listen to music for the story (although I guess some people do care about the lyrics), people listen for the actual music. So I think the majority of people who want Metropolis Pt 3, aren't saying they desperately want a continuation of the story, I think they just want another album sharing the same musical themes, and that's all that it would need to be, I think.
SFAM was an album with musical themes extrapolated from one song. An entire album. Another full album sharing those themes would artistically uninteresting, because where else do you go without just copying yourself?
The only way I could see this happening is if something awful happens to the band and they try this to attempt to resurrect something. Unless and until something like that happens, this is an idea that should just die.
Quote from: RaiseTheKnife on July 25, 2013, 11:36:08 PM
There is a binary theme to Metropis 1 and 2, and therfore, DT intended to only have two parts. A third part would go against the theme. Consider the "theme of two's" found in the Metropolis suite: M2 is a TWO act play, twin brothers, the duality of the Miracle and the Sleeper, etc. Both parts serve as a binary counterpart to the other.
Consider further the thematic sequences of how both stories unfold. It is clear that the themes are a tandem, but set up as mirror opposites: Metropolis 1 progresses with the following sequence: First=Death, Second=Deceit, Third=Love. Metropolis Part 2 contrasts this by telling a story in the diametric opposite: First=Love, Second=Deceit, Third=Death.
If you ponder the above you will see that the concept of Metropolis was always intended as a couplet, and thus should remain cemented in two parts.
:omg:
Quote from: GasparXR on July 26, 2013, 10:11:49 AM
Quote from: RaiseTheKnife on July 25, 2013, 11:36:08 PM
There is a binary theme to Metropis 1 and 2, and therfore, DT intended to only have two parts. A third part would go against the theme. Consider the "theme of two's" found in the Metropolis suite: M2 is a TWO act play, twin brothers, the duality of the Miracle and the Sleeper, etc. Both parts serve as a binary counterpart to the other.
Consider further the thematic sequences of how both stories unfold. It is clear that the themes are a tandem, but set up as mirror opposites: Metropolis 1 progresses with the following sequence: First=Death, Second=Deceit, Third=Love. Metropolis Part 2 contrasts this by telling a story in the diametric opposite: First=Love, Second=Deceit, Third=Death.
If you ponder the above you will see that the concept of Metropolis was always intended as a couplet, and thus should remain cemented in two parts.
:omg:
Yea, that's pretty much the most interesting thing I've read on this forum in awhile. Didn't think of it that way.
I went with Me out of sheer fanboy curiosity. BTW , the Starbucks cover kicked my ass.
haha. :) :heart
Every time DT release a new album - a few people make a massive song and Dance about Metropolis III.
Sadly - these people will never be placated.
For them - it is the song and dance of eternity. :(
I'd rather see DT do their own version of Operation Mindcrime II.
Change "Me" to "You" in the voting options and that'll get my vote :neverusethis:
So you want "You" not "Me"?
That's what it's all about....
SFAM was great, no denying that. Metropolis Pt III is unnecessary, but if DT chose to give it a shot, I'm sure they could make it pretty good. I've never had any complaints about DT referencing older melodies in their newer songs. Even The Shattered Fortress was pretty good. Though there's no reason to make Pt III, I don't see a good reason not to, either.
To be honest, SFAM isn't one of my favourites at all (ranks #10 out of 11) so the chances are that I would prefer a part 3 if they ever made one. But that's not the point - the issue is that, unless they had a really good idea for how to do it, then it would be forced and ultimately feel a bit awkward and disappoint a lot of fans.
Yes, you have a point Rich. I think that should the band ever decide to follow Part 2, it should be in the form of a long EP song like ACOS, and like ACOS I would like it to be the result of many years of work and polishing, a trans-album effort carried over many A-T cycles.
An advantage of this approach would be relieving them from the weight of having to work on the song within the constraints of the album format, but it would also give them all the time they need to understand how serious they are to go down the Part 3 alley :D
Quote from: wasteland on July 27, 2013, 02:53:17 AM
Yes, you have a point Rich. I think that should the band ever decide to follow Part 2, it should be in the form of a long EP song like ACOS, and like ACOS I would like it to be the result of many years of work and polishing, a trans-album effort carried over many A-T cycles.
An advantage of this approach would be relieving them from the weight of having to work on the song within the constraints of the album format, but it would also give them all the time they need to understand how serious they are to go down the Part 3 alley :D
But under their current setup, I can't imagine them ever, ever, ever crafting another song that way.
^And that's why Metropolis Pt. 3 wouldn't be a good idea even if it was just a song.
Me. Sort of. It's not something I'm actively hoping that they'll do, but the idea of it is intriguing to me.
Still staggered that this is even an issue.
You may as well ask : Do we want Falling Into Infinity II or 12 Degrees of Inner Turbulence or Train Of Thought II : The Next Carriage.
OR Octavarium Part 2 : Starting Again ( Where We Began ) ( Again ).
It's a ludicrous Idea. Full Stop.
Quote from: Kotowboy on July 27, 2013, 05:15:22 PM
Still staggered that this is even an issue.
You may as well ask : Do we want Falling Into Infinity II or 12 Degrees of Inner Turbulence or Train Of Thought II : The Next Carriage.
OR Octavarium Part 2 : Starting Again ( Where We Began ) ( Again ).
It's a ludicrous Idea. Full Stop.
Wow, I thought it started with 1 Degree of inner Turbulence, and that they were up to their 12th album on that theme. I guess I'll never get my 13 Degrees album now :angry:
Metropolis Part III... No. Just no.
I'd listen to it if they made it, but the idea is not very appealing to me.
I think my problem with this is that it makes me afraid that it might not be as good as SFAM and people will always measure against it even if it's good, almost always favouring SFAM over it no matter how good Metropolis III would be.
I think it's one of the things it's better left alone.
Now that would be my opinion about making an album, if they made a song instead... Maybe still no :lol
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Quote from: BlobVanDam on July 27, 2013, 11:22:01 PM
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...did we hear the siren's song?
Actually there's a hint in the last sung line in finally free when metropolis part 3 will be released: someday SOON :biggrin:
But really, I hope, if they ever write another concept album, it would be a new concept at least lyrically.
Quote from: serrano on July 28, 2013, 04:20:28 AM
Actually there's a hint in the last sung line in finally free when metropolis part 3 will be released: someday SOON :biggrin:
:soon:
Quote from: Kotowboy on July 27, 2013, 05:15:22 PM
Still staggered that this is even an issue.
You may as well ask : Do we want Falling Into Infinity II or 12 Degrees of Inner Turbulence or Train Of Thought II : The Next Carriage.
OR Octavarium Part 2 : Starting Again ( Where We Began ) ( Again ).
It's a ludicrous Idea. Full Stop.
It's a bit different, though, because there's an underlying story and concept that ties it together. Plus, you have the precedent of having the Metropolis series already established.
Quote from: Kotowboy on July 27, 2013, 05:15:22 PM
OR Octavarium Part 2 : Starting Again ( Where We Began ) ( Again ).
:lol
I don't know if Metallica got inspired by DT, but the same happened to Unforgiven. We have parts I, II and III, and it only went downhill...
Nah, Unforgiven 3 is rad. But the 3 Unforgiven songs are, what, 20 minutes in length total? DT doesn't need an 80-minute sequel to an 80-minute album whose story has been completed.
Quote from: tiagodon on July 28, 2013, 06:24:48 PM
I don't know if Metallica got inspired by DT, but the same happened to Unforgiven. We have parts I, II and III, and it only went downhill...
I prefer Pt 2 to 1, but 3 was an unnecessary song that is only Unforgiven in name, and nowhere near as good as the first two. It was forced, and a Metropolis Pt 3 would likely feel the same way.
I actually rank The Unforgiven's: III, I, II
Not me (I'm answering to the thread and not the OT).
Quote from: BlobVanDam on July 28, 2013, 09:21:02 PM
Quote from: tiagodon on July 28, 2013, 06:24:48 PM
I don't know if Metallica got inspired by DT, but the same happened to Unforgiven. We have parts I, II and III, and it only went downhill...
I prefer Pt 2 to 1, but 3 was an unnecessary song that is only Unforgiven in name, and nowhere near as good as the first two. It was forced, and a Metropolis Pt 3 would likely feel the same way.
:hifive:
Anyway - Unforgiven II came out before Scenes From A Memory.
Quote from: Kotowboy on July 29, 2013, 06:01:52 AM
Quote from: BlobVanDam on July 28, 2013, 09:21:02 PM
Quote from: tiagodon on July 28, 2013, 06:24:48 PM
I don't know if Metallica got inspired by DT, but the same happened to Unforgiven. We have parts I, II and III, and it only went downhill...
I prefer Pt 2 to 1, but 3 was an unnecessary song that is only Unforgiven in name, and nowhere near as good as the first two. It was forced, and a Metropolis Pt 3 would likely feel the same way.
:hifive:
Anyway - Unforgiven II came out before Scenes From A Memory.
So DT was inspired by Metallica! ;D
Metallica didn't make Unforgiven II - The Album.
Although they did make a few unforgiveable albums :neverusethis:
No, no... Wait!! Meat Loaf started it all!!!
Bat out of Hell II (the album) came out in 1993!
And there's a part III as well!
That's one of those instances where people only buy your albums if they're named after your most popular.
Same thing with Mike Oldfield and Tubular Bells.
Latest CD not selling ? Simply call the next one Tubular Bells Part Whatever !! $$$$$ !! :P
OMG it's teh follow up to teh toobalar bellz - :omg: I must buy eet !
True!
In Meat Loaf's case, it was a marketing strategy for a grand return. That's how I think DT should use the Metropolis franchise. Hope they don't need it.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on July 28, 2013, 09:21:02 PM
Quote from: tiagodon on July 28, 2013, 06:24:48 PM
I don't know if Metallica got inspired by DT, but the same happened to Unforgiven. We have parts I, II and III, and it only went downhill...
I prefer Pt 2 to 1, but 3 was an unnecessary song that is only Unforgiven in name, and nowhere near as good as the first two. It was forced, and a Metropolis Pt 3 would likely feel the same way.
I sort of agree with this. I mean, I
like 3 - some days I even love it - but it's so different from the other two. It'd be like if Dream Theater
did make a Metropolis part 3, but it had nothing to do with any of the musical or lyrical themes of SFAM, and they only called it Metropolis because it had the word 'metropolitan' somewhere in the lyrics.
Quote from: Nearmyth on July 25, 2013, 08:42:00 PM
Like it has been said, the story is wrapped up, over.
Um, it's a story about reincarnation. Those usually involve multiple iterations.
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Quote from: Nearmyth on July 25, 2013, 08:42:00 PM
Like it has been said, the story is wrapped up, over.
Um, it's a story about reincarnation. Those usually involve multiple iterations.
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Quote from: Kotowboy on July 29, 2013, 02:13:50 PM
Quote from: ZirconBlue on July 29, 2013, 01:27:30 PM
Quote from: Nearmyth on July 25, 2013, 08:42:00 PM
Like it has been said, the story is wrapped up, over.
Um, it's a story about reincarnation. Those usually involve multiple iterations.
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
What? Are you not familiar with the long history of reincarnation themes in literature/religion/mythology? One of the most common flavors of reincarnation is that reincarnated souls keep being drawn to each other to correct wrongs done in previous lives. In SFaM, the cycle of violence has continued, rather than being repaired, so we would expect Nicholas' soul to be reincarnated yet again.
I'm not saying we need a Met 3, but to say "the story is wrapped up, over" at the end of a reincarnation story is kind of silly.
I voted "not me".
I liked Tubular Bells III and, to some extent, Unforgiven III but... I'm not so sure about a Metropolis pt. III.
At this point, and with the current situation, I don't see the band going in the direction of doing that. I think they all know that if they did that, people would say they're "selling out". I would still buy the album (even if it's a full album or only a song), but I don't know... I prefer if they release new material that has nothing to do with previous records.
6 Degrees is one of my favourite albums and has nothing to do (not even sonically) with previous albums. I'd like them to experiment and a Metropolis pt. III wouldn't be that (most likely).
I don't really think it's a matter of selling out at all. I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of DT fans to who the title "Metropolis" means enough to warrant a purchase, already end up purchasing all the DT albums, because they're devoted fans of the band. If someone was a huge fan of DT and then stopped listening to them, I doubt that Metropolis Pt. 3 is going to make them say, "I gotta hear this!"
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 30, 2013, 04:48:51 PM
I don't really think it's a matter of selling out at all. I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of DT fans to who the title "Metropolis" means enough to warrant a purchase, already end up purchasing all the DT albums, because they're devoted fans of the band. If someone was a huge fan of DT and then stopped listening to them, I doubt that Metropolis Pt. 3 is going to make them say, "I gotta hear this!"
Hmmm, that could be true. People that would appeal to that title -or who would know about what Metropolis is about at all- would probably buy the album anyway.
What I was trying to say is that, maybe the band would be concerned about the image that releasing a "Metropolis pt. 3" would give them, maybe not in the "selling out" aspect, but more as "they've run out of ideas and this is the only thing they can do to get money" which would probably be a comment that would be all over the internet.
But then again, maybe the band doesn't care about that kind of trolls at all and they don't do it because they just don't feel like it :biggrin:
My guess would be the last one. I'm sure they're more interested in writing new music and lyrics, and not concerning themselves with recurring themes from Metropolis 1 and 2.
Well, they can always start a new joke, like Theatrum pt. 1... Maybe in DT13... Who knows? :corn
i feel that if a metropolis pt 3 was created it would turn into the shattered fortress: taking old ideas and attempting to make them new by changing them ever so slightly, while adding in a new riff here and there. that or it would be amazing, but either way i would prefer something new.
Quote from: dragonmaster715 on July 31, 2013, 03:16:59 PM
i feel that if a metropolis pt 3 was created it would turn into the shattered fortress: taking old ideas and attempting to make them new by changing them ever so slightly, while adding in a new riff here and there. that or it would be amazing, but either way i would prefer something new.
Well, not really, because The Shattered Fortress is the culmination of 4, mostly different pieces of music. Whereas SFAM ALREADY had themes from Metropolis Pt 1, so if all Metropolis Pt. 3 did was copy what came before, then we'd just get a rearranged and augmented version of Scenes From A Memory, and there's just no way in hell they'd ever do something like that.
But yeah, I'd rather just get a new concept album with its own recurring themes and musical nuggets.
I would certainly listen to Metropolis III if it was written, but I don't think DT should write it. Unless of course, they read DTF and decide to make it about necrophilia and zombies :D
Seriously though, while I don't want them to necessarily write a third part to Metropolis, I would LOVE to see another true concept album.
Quote from: Theme Dreater on August 02, 2013, 03:00:39 AM
I would certainly listen to Metropolis III if it was written, but I don't think DT should write it. Unless of course, they read DTF and decide to make it about necrophilia and zombies :D
Seriously though, while I don't want them to necessarily write a third part to Metropolis, I would LOVE to see another true concept album.
My vote was yes 'cuz of the nice digression on the DT12 album ;D
And yes, would honestly love that, I think they would put their best efforts if they would ever come out with that idea. I was sceptic on the Part II and have become my fav DT album ever.
I wouldn't want them to make Metropolis pt. 3, because it would almost certainly be a let-down. Allthough, if they were to make an album like that, of course i would listen to it!
Quote from: eviljust on August 02, 2013, 03:26:16 AM
And yes, would honestly love that, I think they would put their best efforts if they would ever come out with that idea. I was sceptic on the Part II and have become my fav DT album ever.
The difference is that the story is closed and done now. There's no need to continue, and if they did, it would be absolutely forced just to please fans and therefore the album would turn out to be a huge letdown and be nowhere near as good as parts 1 and 2.
Quote from: aprilethereal on August 02, 2013, 03:40:32 AM
Quote from: eviljust on August 02, 2013, 03:26:16 AM
And yes, would honestly love that, I think they would put their best efforts if they would ever come out with that idea. I was sceptic on the Part II and have become my fav DT album ever.
The difference is that the story is closed and done now. There's no need to continue, and if they did, it would be absolutely forced just to please fans and therefore the album would turn out to be a huge letdown and be nowhere near as good as parts 1 and 2.
I think we can't state something like that. With ADTOE I can say my hopes are higher, when I have seen them on tour I had a glimpse of what they still can do. Like a renewed force and ispiration.
Quote from: eviljust on August 02, 2013, 03:47:43 AM
I think we can't state something like that. With ADTOE I can say my hopes are higher, when I have seen them on tour I had a glimpse of what they still can do. Like a renewed force and ispiration.
Quote from: aprilethereal on August 02, 2013, 03:40:32 AM
The difference is that the story is closed and done now. There's no need to continue, and if they did, it would be absolutely forced just to please fans and therefore the album would turn out to be a huge letdown and be nowhere near as good as parts 1 and 2.
Period
I think the likelihood of them calling an album " Metropolis Part III " is the same as Metallica naming an album " Load 3 ".
Would I like another album in that style ? Yes to both.
Quote from: Theme Dreater on August 02, 2013, 03:00:39 AM
I would certainly listen to Metropolis III if it was written, but I don't think DT should write it. Unless of course, they read DTF and decide to make it about necrophilia and zombies :D
Systematic Chaos, Part II?