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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: Lucidity on July 09, 2013, 11:08:03 PM
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Are there any solos you think of as being particularly bad, and maybe even make the song they're in worse? I think DT generally has very good solos, but for whatever reason one solo that comes to mind that I've never liked is the keyboard solo in The Root of All Evil.
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The last few minutes of Misunderstood take so much away from what starts as a brilliant song.
That's the only one that comes to mind immediately that just feels so out of place that it detracts from the song.
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Keyboard solo from A Rite Of Passage!
Worst Dream theater solo and propably the worst keyboard solo I've ever heard :D
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The last few minutes of Misunderstood take so much away from what starts as a brilliant song.
That's the only one that comes to mind immediately that just feels so out of place that it detracts from the song.
I don't hate this part, but I definitely think Misunderstood would be a much stronger song without it.
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The last few minutes of Misunderstood take so much away from what starts as a brilliant song.
That's the only one that comes to mind immediately that just feels so out of place that it detracts from the song.
I don't hate this part, but I definitely think Misunderstood would be a much stronger song without it.
I personally like that solo. It adds to the feeling of confusion that the lyrics portray. As for worst solo, I've never liked the guitar/keyboard tradeoff solos in Fatal Tragedy. I think they are way too over the top and don't fit the rest of the piece.
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Cover My Eyes... I mean, I wouldn't call it a bad solo, but it's just so... Uninteresting, especially by DT's standards. The whole song is just okay, which makes it my least favorite DT song, but it could have been something cool if it at least had a creative solo.
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Any solo on ANTR or Rite Of Passage. Worst solo sections in DT history. I still haven't forgiven them for those. Tacked on, out of place, uninspired. I'd really like to know what they were thinking.
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Any solo on ANTR or Rite Of Passage. Worst solo sections in DT history. I still haven't forgiven them for those. Tacked on, out of place, uninspired. I'd really like to know what they were thinking.
"BALLS AND CHUNK BALLS AND CHUNK BALLS AND CHUNK"
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The only DT solo I find downright awful is the Bebot solo in AROP.
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Any solo on ANTR or Rite Of Passage. Worst solo sections in DT history. I still haven't forgiven them for those. Tacked on, out of place, uninspired. I'd really like to know what they were thinking.
"BALLS AND CHUNK BALLS AND CHUNK BALLS AND CHUNK"
Shit, I don't even know if you could call it that. Like that whiny wah guitar solo in ANTR, that has no balls or chunk.
I'll give one thing to the AROP solo section. JP's phrasing is at least good. Too bad he couldn't use those ideas on a more worthy solo spot.
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The only DT solo I find downright awful is the Bebot solo in AROP.
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Mh. My least favourite DT solos tend to be clustered in the second half of ITNOG. And yeah, that bebot thing too. :puke.
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The only DT solo I find downright awful is the Bebot solo in AROP.
This is when i started to get a bit tired of JR. He redeemed himself on ADToE though.
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Yeah, I'm not a fan of Jordan's AROP solo either. JP's on the other hand is awesome.
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Both solos in A Rite of Passage are terrible, I think. Also, the completely unnecessary keyboard solo that takes 2-3 minutes in The Shattered Fortress, over the same riffs, is something I really dislike.
Oh, and then there's the ridiculous last 2 minutes in This Dying Soul as well.
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Oh, and then there's the ridiculous last 2 minutes in This Dying Soul as well.
That's one of my fav DT moments.
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Any solo on ANTR or Rite Of Passage. Worst solo sections in DT history. I still haven't forgiven them for those. Tacked on, out of place, uninspired. I'd really like to know what they were thinking.
I.....I just don't even......
I think the first guitar solo proper on ANTR after the beautiful agony section is just jaw dropping. It's aggressive, dark......and I'm led to believe improvised. So must disgree with thee there!
But I'm with the general consensus the Jordans iPod touch solo on AROP is cringeworthy.
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general consensus - Jordans iPod touch solo on AROP is cringeworthy.
Jordan, we adore you, we really do, but please, never again.
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Oh, and then there's the ridiculous last 2 minutes in This Dying Soul as well.
That's one of my fav DT moments.
I can see why, it's certainly funny and impressive, but I think it's completely uncalled for in the song, hence me calling it 'ridiculous'. I don't really dislike it though, nor do I think it's close to being one of DT's 'worst solos', but it's a part of the song that I don't really like.
Also, I actually find it very difficult when to call a solo 'bad'. Of course there's a melodic aspect to it and a solo should 'tell a story', but most of the Dream Theater solos do this, at least to an extent. The only one I can think of off the top of my head is the fast unison run in In The Name of God. I have always thought the only purpose to that solo was to show-off skills.
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Yes, I agree. I never quite got the purpose behind that section, unfortunately. :-\
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I will never, ever understand all the problems with the ending section of Misunderstood. It's basically a reprise of a section you've already heard, but this time the songs keeps hanging in that vibe. All the while, it segues wonderfully into TGD.
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Yes, I agree. I never quite got the purpose behind that section, unfortunately. :-\
It's purpose?
What are certain sections supposed to provide clean renewable energy? Feed the poor?
It's music. What the hell are you doing looking for a "purpose?"
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Hey, calm down man! I mean the purpose in the economy of the song! It didn't strike me as a really necessary section, but that's just my opinion. Nothing worth heating up for. :)
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To be clear, you guys all mean just the last section in the AROP solo, right? I think the first 20-25 seconds of the keyboard solo are great, and then after that is meh.
And yeah, This Dying Soul's end is just ridiculous, which is a shame because other than that it's a top 10 DT song.
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Most of the solos in Train of Thought are a shred fest, but that was intentional.
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The only solos I think of as being bad are:
-The keyboard solo in The Test That Stumped Them All. It is so ugly-sounding.
-Both the keyboard and bebot solos in A Rite of Passage.
-The keyboard solo in Constant Motion (especially the end of it where it speeds up..that is, um, not good).
-The keyboard solo in Honor Thy Father. Whenever I hear the expression about how Rudess likes to try to bend notes into submission, this solo comes to mind.
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I don't know if you would call it a "solo" but that volume swell section on TCOT just goes on and on and on and kills the momentum of the song (IMO). It would have been a marvelous 15 minute song if not for that large section of nothing in there. -ducks
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I love the volume swell section in TCoT, for me it's one of the highlights of the song.
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I don't know if you would call it a "solo" but that volume swell section on TCOT just goes on and on and on and kills the momentum of the song (IMO). It would have been a marvelous 15 minute song if not for that large section of nothing in there. -ducks
Agree.
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I'm not a huge fan of the "improvised" instrumental section in TDEN. Granted, the rest of the song isn't exactly top tier, but whenever I find myself listening to that song I think, "I really need to edit out this section someday".
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The last few minutes of Misunderstood take so much away from what starts as a brilliant song.
That's the only one that comes to mind immediately that just feels so out of place that it detracts from the song.
I don't hate this part, but I definitely think Misunderstood would be a much stronger song without it.
I personally like that solo. It adds to the feeling of confusion that the lyrics portray. As for worst solo, I've never liked the guitar/keyboard tradeoff solos in Fatal Tragedy. I think they are way too over the top and don't fit the rest of the piece.
Interesting about Fatal Tragedy, because that's my favourite instrumental section in any DT song :smiley:
The ones I don't like tend to be on the more metal songs, such as most of Train of Thought. ItNOG stands out, as the unison is reaaally long and drags the song out a lot
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The only thing that comes to mind is the bebot solo from AROP.
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Exception some of SFAM and SDOIT songs I don't like any keyboard solo from Rudess. As many of you pointed out AROP solo is just bad.
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I'm surprised to see people who don't like the In the Name of God and Nightmare to Remember solo/unison sections; I love every part of both songs, especially the solos. But yeah, the last section of This Dying Soul... completely unnecessary and ugly-sounding to me.
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general consensus - Jordans iPod touch solo on AROP is cringeworthy.
Jordan, we adore you, we really do, but please, never again.
This. I also agree with those who think the unison at the end of TDS is pointless.
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The worst has to be Jordan's solo for Take the Time on Chaos in Motion. He took one of the best solos in the catalogue and took all the tension and release out of it. It had no dynamic, no emotion. And I'm not usually on the side of criticizing Jordan like that.
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The worst has to be Jordan's solo for Take the Time on Chaos in Motion. He took one of the best solos in the catalogue and took all the tension and release out of it. It had no dynamic, no emotion. And I'm not usually on the side of criticizing Jordan like that.
Could you give me a timestamp for the solo in the song?
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The worst has to be Jordan's solo for Take the Time on Chaos in Motion. He took one of the best solos in the catalogue and took all the tension and release out of it. It had no dynamic, no emotion. And I'm not usually on the side of criticizing Jordan like that.
I wasn't factoring in live solos, but yeah, his butchering of that solo is pretty bad. For the most part, I tend to not like his take on solos originally done by Kevin Moore or Derek Sherinian (mostly because he takes a great solo and wanks it up too much). If he plays them as is originally, he does a dynamite job most of the time, but when he does his own take, the results are usually not good.
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Could you give me a timestamp for the solo in the song?
4:31
He plays his own solo instead of Kevin Moore's. Kevin's was one of my favorite solos ever. Jordan's is kind of boring.
If he plays them as is originally, he does a dynamite job most of the time, but when he does his own take, the results are usually not good.
I might agree. I love when he writes his own solos though. His solos in Octavarium, Overture 1928, Blind Faith, and Solitary Shell in particular are amazing. But as for Kevin's in Take the Time and Derek's in Trial of Tears, it's best to leave those alone.
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I was never big on the guitar solo in The Great Debate.
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Jordan played that solo pretty faithfully for almost ten years before that moment though, if my memory serves me well; maybe he reckoned it was time for a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaange.
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I love when he writes his own solos though. His solos in Octavarium, Overture 1928, Blind Faith, and Solitary Shell in particular are amazing. But as for Kevin's in Take the Time and Derek's in Trial of Tears, it's best to leave those alone.
Yep.
And while my list of worst DT solos were all Rudess, he definitely has a number of great solos. He is very hit or miss when it comes to solos, the misses being the ones I listed earlier, IMO, and the hits being the ones you listed there, along with Home (his best solo ever).
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Could you give me a timestamp for the solo in the song?
4:31
He plays his own solo instead of Kevin Moore's. Kevin's was one of my favorite solos ever. Jordan's is kind of boring.
If he plays them as is originally, he does a dynamite job most of the time, but when he does his own take, the results are usually not good.
Shit, that was horrendous. I couldn't remember because I haven't seen or heard Chaos in Motion since shortly after it came out. I always thought the recording was bad (mostly due to vocals), but stuff like this is also ridiculous.
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Jordan played that solo pretty faithfully for almost ten years before that moment though, if my memory serves me well; maybe he reckoned it was time for a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaange.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he once said he loves the original TTT solo, which is why he wanted to stay faithful to it. I wish he had kept the same mindset when the CIM version was recorded... :-\
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along with Home (his best solo ever).
Oh definitely that one as well.
Jordan played that solo pretty faithfully for almost ten years before that moment though, if my memory serves me well;
And hasn't he played it faithfully to the recording since then as well?
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Jordan played that solo pretty faithfully for almost ten years before that moment though, if my memory serves me well; maybe he reckoned it was time for a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaange.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he once said he loves the original TTT solo, which is why he wanted to stay faithful to it. I wish he had kept the same mindset when the CIM version was recorded... :-\
I think his goal there was more showmanship with the keytar, and less staying true to the original solo.
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Jordan played that solo pretty faithfully for almost ten years before that moment though, if my memory serves me well; maybe he reckoned it was time for a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaange.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he once said he loves the original TTT solo, which is why he wanted to stay faithful to it. I wish he had kept the same mindset when the CIM version was recorded... :-\
Yeah, so his messing with the solo certainly does not come from being irreverent or not caring about the solo. He didn't only say he loves it, he said it was his very favorite KM solo.
And hasn't he played it faithfully to the recording since then as well?
I... can't remember, but I think I'd take particular notice of him playing it differently in post-Chaos recordings, so I would assume yes! *off to youtube to find some recent TTT videos*
edit: watching that Rio de Janeiro video where JP shreds like a maniac near the end - nope, he changed the solo.
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Jordan played that solo pretty faithfully for almost ten years before that moment though, if my memory serves me well; maybe he reckoned it was time for a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaange.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he once said he loves the original TTT solo, which is why he wanted to stay faithful to it. I wish he had kept the same mindset when the CIM version was recorded... :-\
I think his goal there was more showmanship with the keytar, and less staying true to the original solo.
That would explain it, but still not justify it :-X
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Well, I guess in about half a year we will find out if the solo will return to its original incarnation. :)
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*devil's advocate* we can't know whether they'll resurrect TTT or not, although I'd LOVE that. Hey, this time I'm actually seeing them live, so... :biggrin:
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*devil's advocate* we can't know whether they'll resurrect TTT or not, although I'd LOVE that. Hey, this time I'm actually seeing them live, so... :biggrin:
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*devil's advocate* we can't know whether they'll resurrect TTT or not, although I'd LOVE that. Hey, this time I'm actually seeing them live, so... :biggrin:
Well, Duel With The Devil, then :P
Take The Time is the only song that was not played through the ADTOE tour, and it's unlikely that they will include LTL on the set due to the lenght of the shows and the tight schedule. Metropolis will likely be played in Europe (missing there since 2007) and PMU will likely have some rest like UAGM, as both were widely played in Europe in the last cycle.
So if they stand by their decision to include at least two IAW songs in their set the most natural choice is Take The Time! :D
/specumode
ETA: I don't know why I posted that, I know you know all about the playing status of these songs, Mile-Na :D
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Exception some of SFAM and SDOIT songs I don't like any keyboard solo from Rudess. As many of you pointed out AROP solo is just bad.
Agree
For the most part I agree with this. JR has his moments (personally love blind faith's instrumental section), but the majority of his solos just seem like a bunch of notes with not much feel
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Keyboard solo from A Rite Of Passage!
Worst Dream theater solo and propably the worst keyboard solo I've ever heard :D
This, plus the end of Misunderstood, I always skip that part.
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I can't think of any solo that I don't like. Although, I'm not a musician--I'm just a music fan, so they all seem amazing to me because I could never do it myself. That could explain it. Yes some stand out as being more jaw dropping than others.
Also, I'm a fan of musicians putting their own stamp/spin/take on whatever they play so while I dig the original solos from former players I really enjoy JR injecting his personal flair on whatever he plays. It's just his way and I like it!
On this forum I hear a great deal of negativity for 'wankery', long solos, too many unisons, too many solo trade offs, to long of songs, not concise enough, shredding, too much metal, not enough metal, too many ballads, etc. etc. Which is all fine, of course. We all have our own tastes but may I suggest, some should probably find a different band to follow because I don't think DT is changing any time soon. :)
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I can't think of any solo that I don't like. Although, I'm not a musician--I'm just a music fan, so they all seem amazing to me because I could never do it myself. That could explain it. Yes some stand out as being more jaw dropping than others.
Also, I'm a fan of musicians putting their own stamp/spin/take on whatever they play so while I dig the original solos from former players I really enjoy JR injecting his personal flair on whatever he plays. It's just his way and I like it!
On this forum I hear a great deal of negativity for 'wankery', long solos, too many unisons, too many solo trade offs, to long of songs, not concise enough, shredding, too much metal, not enough metal, too many ballads, etc. etc. Which is all fine, of course. We all have our own tastes but may I suggest, some should probably find a different band to follow because I don't think DT is changing any time soon. :)
a. I am pretty sure everyone here doesn't listen to just Dream Theater.
b. Are you suggesting that we have to love everything the band does?
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Of course not Kev. Dislike away and comment on it as much as you like.
a. Mainly I was commenting that DT isn't likely to change their style much.
b. I was joking around some, hence the smiley.
I'm probably too old to be hanging around fan websites, I suppose. I just don't have the passion for minutia that I once did (if I ever really did) and it all seems odd to me. Lurking is probably a better strategy for me.
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The first part of Jordan's Budokan solo is just embarrassing to watch (and listen). I generally dislike almost every solo he made using that patch in the ToT period (TDS for instance, good thing he does it again on the piano) . Fortunately, the second part of the Budokan solo more than makes up for it.
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Any solo on ANTR or Rite Of Passage. Worst solo sections in DT history. I still haven't forgiven them for those. Tacked on, out of place, uninspired. I'd really like to know what they were thinking.
"BALLS AND CHUNK BALLS AND CHUNK BALLS AND CHUNK"
EAT MY ASS AND BALLS AND CHUNK AND CHUNKY SOUP ROOOAARRR!
seriously though... even the keyboard/guitar duet solo in that is just like "ok, these are the chords that are going by, lets just arpeggiate and harmonize the most obvious lines of notes over those chords, and second time through well do it with sweeping patterns. record and print dat shiet!".
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The guitar solo on TDEN is absolutely horrible. Surely it's technical but it doesn't sound good for me, at all.
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The Ministry of Lost Souls... Just stop playing the same thing over and over, and end this terrible song already!
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I love Jordan's playing and I think he's one of the best musicians alive right now. That said, with his soloing I think he tends to overdo it, it doesn't have the same personality that solos by DS and (especially) KevMo had. TTT is a pretty good example of that. Though whenever he gets it right, it sounds awesome. Most solos on SFAM and Six Degrees are amazing.
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The Ministry of Lost Souls... Just stop playing the same thing over and over, and end this terrible song already!
Been lurking for a long long time now, but I had to login just to comment on this. Wut? I think it's just an emotional climax to the song, and it works out beautifully for me... Hell, the whole song is in the top 5, maybe even top 3 for me. Oh well.
More on-topic, besides the already mentioned songs... I always found The Dark Eternal Night's solo kinda wonky. I mean, it fits the song's thrashiness, but there's something wrong on it I can't quite put my finger on.
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Anything Jordan does that sounds like it came from a circus or carousel. Nothing JP does is bad IMO.
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I love Lifting Shadows Off A Dream, but the solo section is very dull. I'm glad it's short.
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JP's solo in Lines in the Sand.
... Kidding.
I can't really think of any solos I have strong negative feelings about. I guess if I had to pick one to call the worst, I'd probably go with the AROP Bebot solo.
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JP's solo in Lines in the Sand.
... Kidding.
I can't really think of any solos I have strong negative feelings about. I guess if I had to pick one to call the worst, I'd probably go with the AROP Bebot solo.
I think it was briang who said the Lines In the Sand solo was out of place and ruined the song for him.
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using bebot on the constant motion key solo. eek
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I actually don't mind the bebot solo in AROP. It's a funny moment in a rather dull song (other than JP's fucking killer solo)
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I agree about Petrucci's solo. Everyone seems to hate it, but I think it's pretty awesome.
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I agree about Petrucci's solo. Everyone seems to hate it, but I think it's pretty awesome.
It's probably because the song is a fucking chore to listen to up to that point.
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I agree about Petrucci's solo. Everyone seems to hate it, but I think it's pretty awesome.
It's probably because the song is a fucking chore to listen to up to that point.
I don't even remember how the solos go off the top of my head or anything because I tune out about a quarter of a second after the song starts as every note of the song grates my ears and repeatedly stabs my will to live until 2 seconds in when I finally manage to skip to the next song in my mad panic rush to not endure anymore of it.
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I actually don't mind the bebot solo in AROP. It's a funny moment in a rather dull song (other than JP's fucking killer solo)
jeez i mixed them up. gives away how long since ive listen to either
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The whole ending section of Misunderstood is just.... noise. It doesn't make sense to me.
As for ANTR: Jordan is playing a video game where he's killing cats with the zen riffer. This would have to be the worst solo.
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The ending of Misunderstood is too long, and even if it wasn't that long it doesn't fit with the song at all.
I didn't like The tradeoff solo of ANTR when I first heard it-not because it was technically bad, if anything it was amazing- but because it turned me off to see yet another tradeoff solo that, by the time BC&SL was released, was getting stale. I don't know if that counts.
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Jordan really needs to find some new keyboard tones. The guy was a real breath of fresh air when he joined DT, and he's a real genius when he tries, but on recent albums he's gotten a bit lazy. There, I said it. :justjen
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The only DT solo I find downright awful is the Bebot solo in AROP.
This this this this.
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Jordan really needs to find some new keyboard tones. The guy was a real breath of fresh air when he joined DT, and he's a real genius when he tries, but on recent albums he's gotten a bit lazy. There, I said it. :justjen
I would agree if we were in 2010, but ADTOE redeemed Jordan with many great sounds and solos. Seeing his keyboard park for the new album, I'm sure he'll up his game even more.
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Jordan really needs to find some new keyboard tones. The guy was a real breath of fresh air when he joined DT, and he's a real genius when he tries, but on recent albums he's gotten a bit lazy. There, I said it. :justjen
I, and this is my opinion, think MP had a lot to do with JR's sound ToT-BC&SL. On ADTOE, JR really uses a ton of different keyboard effects and what not. Lots of clean piano as well.
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Pretty much every DT album with Rudess has a fair amount of piano, but every time a new album comes out, many rave over how much piano is on it, as if it was non-existent on the last one, which was not the case. Strange. But I think it speaks to how hit or miss his soloing is, since when people hear the piano, the reaction is always overly positive, and it just seems like there wasn't much of it on the last album because the (not so great) solos stick out more.
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Pretty much every DT album with Rudess has a fair amount of piano, but every time a new album comes out, many rave over how much piano is on it, as if it was non-existent on the last one, which was not the case. Strange. But I think it speaks to how hit or miss his soloing is, since when people hear the piano, the reaction is always overly positive, and it just seems like there wasn't much of it on the last album because the (not so great) solos stick out more.
Do you disagree that Jordan used more clean piano in ADTOE?
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More than usual? Perhaps, although I'd have to listen to each album and listen for just piano, but my point was that there is a lot of piano on every album, yet every time a new DT album comes out, some have that "Finally some piano!" reaction, as if it was absent on the previous album.
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More than usual? Perhaps, although I'd have to listen to each album and listen for just piano, but my point was that there is a lot of piano on every album, yet every time a new DT album comes out, some have that "Finally some piano!" reaction, as if it was absent on the previous album.
Well, I think there was a huge contrast between ToT-BCSL to ADTOE. Like, I could actually tell when Jordan was playing. SC-BCSL had so much of him doubling the guitar and using not-so-cool effects, that it was hard to place when he was playing.
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That kind of proves my point, when I alluded to the negative aspects of his playing as what people focus on (some of the soloing, the guitar doubling stuff you mentioned, etc.), and the good stuff, like the abundance of piano playing which is ALWAYS there, is sometimes overlooked.
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I know! When I listen to The Glass Prison, I'm always thinking "this song would be a masterpiece, if they just took out all those piano parts!" :biggrin:
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Keyboard solo from A Rite Of Passage!
Worst Dream theater solo and propably the worst keyboard solo I've ever heard :D
Was coming in to say there are no awful DT solos, then I remembered this. I even like the ragtime/lighthearted piano bits JR throws in but that Bebot solo is like nails on a blackboard.
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the keyboard solo in The Root of All Evil.
The only problem I've had with this solo is it's not mixed loud enough on the album. Actually, I think most of JP's lead guitar is low in the mix on 8vm.
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I've never had a problem with the Bebot section myself. Always thought it was neat.
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The worst has to be Jordan's solo for Take the Time on Chaos in Motion. He took one of the best solos in the catalogue and took all the tension and release out of it. It had no dynamic, no emotion. And I'm not usually on the side of criticizing Jordan like that.
See, I don't think this is that bad. It's not great, but at least JRs using the right patch. I think it'd have been better had he stayed on the keyboard and not used the zen riffer
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I feel bad that 95% of the solos mentioned in this thread are Jordan's :sad:
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Soloing isn't his strong point, imo. Which kinda makes sense, he comes from a more classical background, as opposed to Petrucci who is into great soloists like Morse and Al Di Meola. Also DS, who is mostly influenced by lead guitar players. JR's strong point is in composing and taking advantage of new technology.
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I feel bad that 95% of the solos mentioned in this thread are Jordan's :sad:
Yeah, but 90 percent of those are A Rite of Passage
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I know this sounds harsh, but I would love to see DT only use keyboards for benefit of the music ie. only having guitar solos. Jordan usually steers songs too much into masterbation territory which detracts a bit from the songs.
Sort of like what Symphony X did on Paradise Lost.
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The whole ending section of Misunderstood is just.... noise. It doesn't make sense to me.
Given the song it appears in, I think that was kinda the point.
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I feel bad that 95% of the solos mentioned in this thread are Jordan's :sad:
You should note that he has appeared on 7 (soon 8) albums, so there's more room for not-so-good solos in his playing.
I think Jordan's experiments with different instruments and sounds are a double-edged sword: they can be really interesting and cool, but sometimes they are just awful (the Bebot solo in AROP, the horns in Beyond This Life).
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I know this sounds harsh, but I would love to see DT only use keyboards for benefit of the music ie. only having guitar solos. Jordan usually steers songs too much into masterbation territory which detracts a bit from the songs.
Sort of like what Symphony X did on Paradise Lost.
No. That's a terrible idea. If I wanted to not be listening to keyboard solos, I'd listen to some other band.
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Yeah, I don't like that idea either.
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I think Jordan's experiments with different instruments and sounds are a double-edged sword: they can be really interesting and cool, but sometimes they are just awful (the Bebot solo in AROP, the horns in Beyond This Life).
I'm shocked it took 3 pages to mention the Beyond This Life horns solo. I still don't understand how on earth someone hears that and goes "sweet solo!"
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I think Jordan's experiments with different instruments and sounds are a double-edged sword: they can be really interesting and cool, but sometimes they are just awful (the Bebot solo in AROP, the horns in Beyond This Life).
I'm shocked it took 3 pages to mention the Beyond This Life horns solo. I still don't understand how on earth someone hears that and goes "sweet solo!"
Jordan's solo in Beyond This Life is one of my all-time favorite DT solos :sad:
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I know this sounds harsh, but I would love to see DT only use keyboards for benefit of the music ie. only having guitar solos. Jordan usually steers songs too much into masterbation territory which detracts a bit from the songs.
Sort of like what Symphony X did on Paradise Lost.
No. That's a terrible idea. If I wanted to not be listening to keyboard solos, I'd listen to some other band.
Yeah, I don't like that idea either.
I didn't really expect anyone to embrace this anyway.
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I'll embrace that idea. A keyboard solo here and there is okay for me, but as soon as it starts into a wankfest of random synthesised noise, I'll dislike it straight away.
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I think we are a bit overestimating the size of the "wankery" delivered by JR. I mean, it was almost completely absent in the last record, it's not that he engages musically pointless duels with JP on every song they wrote since he joined the band.
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I think we are a bit overestimating the size of the "wankery" delivered by JR. I mean, it was almost completely absent in the last record, it's not that he engages musically pointless duels with JP on every song they wrote since he joined the band.
I don't. It's the "guitar sounding" solo that are just meh for me form JR. When he is melodic I love his solos.
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I'll embrace that idea. A keyboard solo here and there is okay for me, but as soon as it starts into a wankfest of random synthesised noise, I'll dislike it straight away.
Yeah. I used to put up with it, but now it just seems like random masterbation, which I don't care for anymore.
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I think Jordan's experiments with different instruments and sounds are a double-edged sword: they can be really interesting and cool, but sometimes they are just awful (the Bebot solo in AROP, the horns in Beyond This Life).
I'm shocked it took 3 pages to mention the Beyond This Life horns solo. I still don't understand how on earth someone hears that and goes "sweet solo!"
Jordan's solo in Beyond This Life is one of my all-time favorite DT solos :sad:
Mine too. BTL is one of my favourite songs off SFAM because of that whole instrumental section. The sleazy keyboard solo is one of my all time favourites from DT (along with JP's Vegas one after that), and I love the wacky drowsy horns and carnival unison. That's the stuff I love.
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I think Jordan's experiments with different instruments and sounds are a double-edged sword: they can be really interesting and cool, but sometimes they are just awful (the Bebot solo in AROP, the horns in Beyond This Life).
I'm shocked it took 3 pages to mention the Beyond This Life horns solo. I still don't understand how on earth someone hears that and goes "sweet solo!"
Jordan's solo in Beyond This Life is one of my all-time favorite DT solos :sad:
Mine too. BTL is one of my favourite songs off SFAM because of that whole instrumental section. The sleazy keyboard solo is one of my all time favourites from DT (along with JP's Vegas one after that), and I love the wacky drowsy horns and carnival unison. That's the stuff I love.
Yeah, I think so too . BTL keys solo is great!
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Don't get me wrong, I get that it's not for everyone, but that's the kind of stuff I love from DT. I find those sections to be fun, memorable, and unique, and it's part of what hooked me on DT in the first place.
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I think Jordan's experiments with different instruments and sounds are a double-edged sword: they can be really interesting and cool, but sometimes they are just awful (the Bebot solo in AROP, the horns in Beyond This Life).
I'm shocked it took 3 pages to mention the Beyond This Life horns solo. I still don't understand how on earth someone hears that and goes "sweet solo!"
Jordan's solo in Beyond This Life is one of my all-time favorite DT solos :sad:
Mine too. BTL is one of my favourite songs off SFAM because of that whole instrumental section. The sleazy keyboard solo is one of my all time favourites from DT (along with JP's Vegas one after that), and I love the wacky drowsy horns and carnival unison. That's the stuff I love.
2nded.
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Why do I get the feeling that if Myung ever did a solo we'd all be like :omg: :omg: :omg: :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy and every other solo ever done would be on this list??
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I dunno, Myung's Metropolis solo is really cool. His Dance Of Eternity solo is not.
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I dunno, Myung's Metropolis solo is really cool. His Dance Of Eternity solo is not.
I disagree. Both are f...ing cool.
Mankind needs more Myungness.
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I think Metropolis I is more concise and clean, but damn..... Dance has some fuckin balls for a bass solo.
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I think Jordan's experiments with different instruments and sounds are a double-edged sword: they can be really interesting and cool, but sometimes they are just awful (the Bebot solo in AROP, the horns in Beyond This Life).
I'm shocked it took 3 pages to mention the Beyond This Life horns solo. I still don't understand how on earth someone hears that and goes "sweet solo!"
Oh, I would've mentioned it on the first page if I had considered it a solo! I just can't stand that section at all...
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I dunno, Myung's Metropolis solo is really cool. His Dance Of Eternity solo is not.
I agree.
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The Beyond This Life Trumpet-y-ness-ish solo :tdwn
The Bebot solo :tdwn
Misunderstood ending :tdwn
Other than that I'm very pleased :tup
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I think Metropolis I is more concise and clean, but damn..... Dance has some fuckin balls for a bass solo.
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JP's The Best of Times solo.
The fact that i probably will never see it being performed live :'(
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Don't get me wrong, I get that it's not for everyone, but that's the kind of stuff I love from DT. I find those sections to be fun, memorable, and unique, and it's part of what hooked me on DT in the first place.
:tup
Ditto.
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JP's The Best of Times solo.
The fact that i probably will never see it being performed live :'(
Umm... is it one of your favourite solos then?
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Keyboard solo from A Rite Of Passage!
Worst Dream theater solo and propably the worst keyboard solo I've ever heard :D
first thing that came to mind when I saw the thread title haha
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WTF, Myungs Dance of Eternity solo is legit!
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JP's The Best of Times solo.
The fact that i probably will never see it being performed live :'(
(https://drawception.com/pub/panels/2012/4-4/LNFQRXXNKw-2.png)
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The Ministry of Lost Souls... Just stop playing the same thing over and over, and end this terrible song already!
Been lurking for a long long time now, but I had to login just to comment on this. Wut? I think it's just an emotional climax to the song, and it works out beautifully for me... Hell, the whole song is in the top 5, maybe even top 3 for me. Oh well.
This.
I think Jordan's experiments with different instruments and sounds are a double-edged sword: they can be really interesting and cool, but sometimes they are just awful (the Bebot solo in AROP, the horns in Beyond This Life).
I'm shocked it took 3 pages to mention the Beyond This Life horns solo. I still don't understand how on earth someone hears that and goes "sweet solo!"
Ooh, that's one sweet solo. :D :biggrin:
Anyway, if I had to pick my least favorite DT solo, there's a rather long one in the middle of The Shattered fortress that doesn't do a whole lot for me, so that one gets my vote.
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I've never liked Jordan's continuum solo at the end of TDEN... not sure why, it just has no structure to it. Ad-libbing isn't always the best way to go.
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I've never liked Jordan's continuum solo at the end of TDEN... not sure why, it just has no structure to it. Ad-libbing isn't always the best way to go.
I agree, I think he ruins the atmosphere and mood of that heavy ass riff.
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JP's The Best of Times solo.
The fact that i probably will never see it being performed live :'(
Sad that we may never see this live. It is just beautiful.
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I've never liked Jordan's continuum solo at the end of TDEN... not sure why, it just has no structure to it. Ad-libbing isn't always the best way to go.
I agree, I think he ruins the atmosphere and mood of that heavy ass riff.
I just don't understand.
I just don't understand.
It fits perfectly with the mood of the riff.
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I've never liked Jordan's continuum solo at the end of TDEN... not sure why, it just has no structure to it. Ad-libbing isn't always the best way to go.
I agree, I think he ruins the atmosphere and mood of that heavy ass riff.
I just don't understand.
I just don't understand.
It fits perfectly with the mood of the riff.
Got to agree on this one. Best decision Jordan could have made for the song. Totally appropriate and a bit more interesting than one of his run of the mill lead tones he was using at the time.
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Basically, every guitar solo, keyboard solo and guitar/ keyboard unison that has appeared on a DT album in that order (or, in the order of keys-guitar-unison) since SFAM. They have ALL been redundant and terrible.
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Before the flames begin, read what I said carefully. I didn't say every SOLO since SFAM, I said every solo that has come before a unison. Both guitar and keys. Usually terrible.
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Basically, every guitar solo, keyboard solo and guitar/ keyboard unison that has appeared on a DT album in that order (or, in the order of keys-guitar-unison) since SFAM. They have ALL been redundant and terrible.
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Before the flames begin, read what I said carefully. I didn't say every SOLO since SFAM, I said every solo that has come before a unison. Both guitar and keys. Usually terrible.
Do you have any specific examples?
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Basically, every guitar solo, keyboard solo and guitar/ keyboard unison that has appeared on a DT album in that order (or, in the order of keys-guitar-unison) since SFAM. They have ALL been redundant and terrible.
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Before the flames begin, read what I said carefully. I didn't say every SOLO since SFAM, I said every solo that has come before a unison. Both guitar and keys. Usually terrible.
Like the Blind Faith solo section? :yeahright
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Basically, every guitar solo, keyboard solo and guitar/ keyboard unison that has appeared on a DT album in that order (or, in the order of keys-guitar-unison) since SFAM. They have ALL been redundant and terrible.
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Before the flames begin, read what I said carefully. I didn't say every SOLO since SFAM, I said every solo that has come before a unison. Both guitar and keys. Usually terrible.
Like the Blind Faith solo section? :yeahright
Please tell me you're joking. The whole instrumental section of blind faith is killer. Unison is my favorite part of the whole song.
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As mentioned before, the stupid keyboard thing at the end of A Rite Of Passage sucks IMO.
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Basically, every guitar solo, keyboard solo and guitar/ keyboard unison that has appeared on a DT album in that order (or, in the order of keys-guitar-unison) since SFAM. They have ALL been redundant and terrible.
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Before the flames begin, read what I said carefully. I didn't say every SOLO since SFAM, I said every solo that has come before a unison. Both guitar and keys. Usually terrible.
Like the Blind Faith solo section? :yeahright
Please tell me you're joking. The whole instrumental section of blind faith is killer. Unison is my favorite part of the whole song.
Who, me? Blind Faith is one of my favorites as well (easily top 10 material), but the op apparently labeled it as "redundant and terrible", hence my :yeahright(yeahright) emoticon reaction.
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Almost no guitar solos mentioned in this thread, so I figured I'd add that I don't like JP's solo in The Dark Eternal Night. I also don't like JMX's solo in The Dance of Eternity :-X
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The Ministry of Lost Souls... Just stop playing the same thing over and over, and end this terrible song already!
Leave. Leave and never come back. :tdwn
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The Ministry of Lost Souls... Just stop playing the same thing over and over, and end this terrible song already!
Leave. Leave and never come back. :tdwn
That's pretty harsh... :\
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I've never liked Jordan's continuum solo at the end of TDEN... not sure why, it just has no structure to it. Ad-libbing isn't always the best way to go.
I agree, I think he ruins the atmosphere and mood of that heavy ass riff.
I just don't understand.
I just don't understand.
It fits perfectly with the mood of the riff.
:tup loving that TCOT reference ^_^
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I dunno, Myung's Metropolis solo is really cool. His Dance Of Eternity solo is not.
Ummmmm sir, please explain yourself? The Dance solo is AMAZING. I actually do get a little peeved every time I listen though because I personally think it was mixed Terribly and you can thus you can barely hear what he's doing unless you have the perfect audiophile setup...I could see that as being a reason to not like the solo, if you can't quite hear what's going on. But it's amazing. Shame on you.
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That's pretty harsh... :\
Sorry....The song is just one of my all time favorites and for someone to not see the absolute beauty in the end (and the rest!) of the song is mind-bottling (you know, like when your mind's in a bottle). And to go so far as to say it's actually a terrible song is a complete injustice. Admittedly I am a trained musician and this makes the song even better for me as the structure behind the chords in the end and the continuous modulations is BRILLIANT. But even for a casual music listener....I can't understand how this song could be viewed as terrible.
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I dunno, Myung's Metropolis solo is really cool. His Dance Of Eternity solo is not.
Shame on you.
Maybe you should go The Ministry of Lost Souls... Just stop playing the same thing over and over, and end this terrible song already!
Leave. Leave and never come back. :tdwn
Dude it's just music, no need to be so harsh.