DREAM THEATER RELEASES TRAILER FOR NEW DVD, BLU-RAY, CD
LIVE AT LUNA PARK
New York, NY—Live At Luna Park, a live concert captured on 2DVD, Blu-ray, Digital Video, 2DVD/3CD, Blu-ray/3CD, and a deluxe edition (2DVD/Blu-ray/3CD), will drop in May 2013. To whet the appetite of their fans, Dream Theater have released this trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gABECAxp58w
Live At Luna Park was filmed over two nights in South America – home to one of Dream Theater's most ardent fanbases. The DVD was filmed after a 15-month world tour, hitting 35 countries.
"This is without a doubt the closest a viewer at home will come to experiencing a live Dream Theater concert," states guitarist and founding member John Petrucci. "Between the hi-def and 3D video, the huge audio mix and the documentary style behind the scenes footage, you are truly transported to the arena and completely immersed in the entire live experience."
"We have the greatest fans on the planet and the people of Argentina are no exception!" adds Petrucci. "The energy and vibe at Luna Park was truly electric and contagious. The perfect synergy between band and audience. We are immensely proud of this DVD and incredibly excited to share it with everyone!"
Eagle Rock Entertainment is the largest producer and distributor of music programming for DVD, Blu-Ray, TV, Audio and Digital Media in the world. Eagle is a Grammy Award winning company and has received over 30 multi-platinum, over 50 platinum and over 90 gold discs, worldwide.
YEAAAHHH!
Thank God we'll get a CDs with it too
Also, the light show looks so crazy on DVD :metal
Quote from: SystematicThought on February 01, 2013, 01:21:18 PM
Thank God we'll get a CDs with it too
Also, the light show looks so crazy on DVD :metal
This. I rarely have the time to watch live shows, but I often crank up live albums.
May, I want you to be here, now!
May :heart
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I so want to skip all the times that separates me from getting this DVD. I love it! I need it!
Too bad Luna Park couldn't splurge the fix the freaking U on their marquee.
But otherwise, glorious. Concert footage looks awesome!
Really cool trailer. That girl in tears was cute.
2 DVDs - could it be both nights in full, or condensed show on DVD1 and bonus stuff on DVD2?
Oh my James. :lol
Quote from: Zydar on February 01, 2013, 01:35:01 PM
2 DVDs - could it be both nights in full, or condensed show on DVD1 and bonus stuff on DVD2?
There's no way they are releasing both nights in full, I think. It's likely to the second option you listed. We're only going to have all the songs that were played, no repetitions.
Quote from: wasteland on February 01, 2013, 01:39:42 PM
Quote from: Zydar on February 01, 2013, 01:35:01 PM
2 DVDs - could it be both nights in full, or condensed show on DVD1 and bonus stuff on DVD2?
There's no way they are releasing both nights in full, I think. It's likely to the second option you listed. We're only going to have all the songs that were played, no repetitions.
Yeah, that's kind of what I meant but I think I worded it wrong. Songs from both nights but no repeats is what I meant to say.
Holy hell, this looks awesome.
:squee:
Words cannot explain how excited this makes me.
We'll be watching this before 4 months are over, that's pretty great!
Quote from: wasteland on February 01, 2013, 01:28:59 PM
I so want to skip all the times that separates me from getting this DVD. I love it! I need it!
I do so by checking out all the other great new releases that various bands unleash in the meantime. ;)
Quote from: wasteland on February 01, 2013, 01:28:59 PM
I so want to skip all the times that separates me from getting this DVD. I love it! I need it!
I want it! I've always been around it!
The 2DVD/BluRay/3CD edition is a bit redundant is it not? I mean I'd assume the BluRay and the 2 DVDs contain the same stuff.. and those with a BluRay player are going to opt for that over the DVD edition.
I guess they just want to have a "mega deluxe" edition so suckers like me will buy it.
:rollin
Quote from: Cedar redaC on February 01, 2013, 02:11:12 PM
We'll be watching this before 3 months are over, that's pretty great!
FTFY
I hope they call this DVD "The Smile Of Dawn." You know...because it'll be arriving early May.
It'll be May 1st in 3 months from today ;)
Quote from: bosk1 on February 01, 2013, 02:17:35 PM
I hope they call this DVD "The Smile Of Dawn." You know...because it'll be arriving early May.
This guy :lol
Quote from: Cedar redaC on February 01, 2013, 02:18:08 PM
It'll be May 1st in 3 months from today ;)
Yuh. May is 3 months away :p
The quality of the DVD looks incredible and I'm liking the shots and camera angels too. Great birthday present for me.
Quote from: Mindflux on February 01, 2013, 02:19:35 PM
Quote from: Cedar redaC on February 01, 2013, 02:18:08 PM
It'll be May 1st in 3 months from today ;)
Yuh. May is 3 months away :p
Yeah, but I just rounded it up to four months because it probably won't come out on May 1st.
Either way, I'm sure it's going to be awesome!
Quote from: Cedar redaC on February 01, 2013, 02:22:54 PM
Quote from: Mindflux on February 01, 2013, 02:19:35 PM
Quote from: Cedar redaC on February 01, 2013, 02:18:08 PM
It'll be May 1st in 3 months from today ;)
Yuh. May is 3 months away :p
Yeah, but I just rounded it up to four months because it probably won't come out on May 1st.
Either way, I'm sure it's going to be awesome!
It would be the best birthday present of my life :blush
This is gonna be great! :tup
Quote from: bosk1 on February 01, 2013, 02:17:35 PM
I hope they call this DVD "The Smile Of Dawn." You know...because it'll be arriving early May.
This is pretty good.
Quote from: bosk1 on February 01, 2013, 02:17:35 PM
I hope they call this DVD "The Smile Of Dawn." You know...because it'll be arriving early May.
:icy: :lol
May = Live at Luna Park BluRay & Star Trek Into Darkness :)
Quote from: bosk1 on February 01, 2013, 02:17:35 PM
I hope they call this DVD "The Smile Of Dawn." You know...because it'll be arriving early May.
Why isn't this in the Olympus of DT's quotes already? :rollin
I don't get it. ??? :sadpanda:
Quote from: Kotowboy on February 01, 2013, 03:03:11 PM
I don't get it. ??? :sadpanda:
Wait, you don't know the first line of Metropolis? :huh:
Quote from: Cedar redaC on February 01, 2013, 02:15:19 PM
Quote from: wasteland on February 01, 2013, 01:28:59 PM
I so want to skip all the times that separates me from getting this DVD. I love it! I need it!
I want it! I've always been around it!
Yes Devin :3
Quote from: wasteland on February 01, 2013, 02:58:07 PM
Quote from: bosk1 on February 01, 2013, 02:17:35 PM
I hope they call this DVD "The Smile Of Dawn." You know...because it'll be arriving early May.
Why isn't this in the Olympus of DT's quotes already? :rollin
IT ALREADY IS. IT ALREADY IS.
Quote from: wasteland on February 01, 2013, 03:05:19 PM
Quote from: Kotowboy on February 01, 2013, 03:03:11 PM
I don't get it. ??? :sadpanda:
Wait, you don't know the first line of Metropolis? :huh:
Not that well !!
I've not heard I&W that often. I've usually listen to Awake onwards.
Quote from: bosk1 on February 01, 2013, 02:17:35 PM
I hope they call this DVD "The Smile Of Dawn." You know...because it'll be arriving early May.
Holy mother of lol. :lol
Quote from: bosk1 on February 01, 2013, 02:17:35 PM
I hope they call this DVD "The Smile Of Dawn." You know...because it'll be arriving early May.
:rollin
bosk, you probably already know this, but you're pretty awesome.
The "news" tab should be updated :)
Why isn't it May alreadyyyyyyy.
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It looks gloooorrrrrious.
This Trailer just produced EPIC Woodrow in my nether region.
:metal
Based on the set lists from both shows, this is my prediction for the 3CD set track listing:
Live At Luna Park
Disc 1 ~ 55-60 minutes
Dream Is Collapsing
Bridges in the Sky
6:00
These Walls*
Build Me Up, Break Me Down*
The Dark Eternal Night
This is the Life
Caught In A Web*
Disc 2 ~ 60-65 minutes
The Root of All Evil
Lost Not Forgotten
Drum Solo
A Fortune in Lies
The Silent Man (with a String Quartet)
Beneath the Surface (with a String Quartet)
Wait for Sleep (with a String Quartet)*
Far from Heaven (with a String Quartet)*
Outcry
Keyboard Solo/Surrounded
Disc 3 ~ 55-60 minutes
On the Backs of Angels
War Inside My Head
The Test That Stumped Them All
Guitar Solo/The Spirit Carries On
Breaking All Illusions
Metropolis Pt. 1: The Miracle and the Sleeper
Pull Me Under*
*From 2nd night at Luna Park
-Marc.
Yeah, 6:00 better be on there. I've been dying to hear/see it live.
I don't think they'll leave anything out, and if they do, I definitely don't think they'd leave out 6:00 considering how long it's been since it's been on a live album.
I'm beyond excited for this DVD release. It looks so amazingly good, and I can't wait to hear it.
I guess it's FINALLY time to part ways with the tube TV and upgrade to something that can play BluRays.
I have a confirmation the Mativision content films 360 degrees, not true 3D that requires specific hardware to view.
Working on adding an addendum to the press release to clarify that.
Quote from: Weymolith on February 01, 2013, 10:45:24 PM
I have a confirmation the Mativision content films 360 degrees, not true 3D that requires specific hardware to view.
So it's not a 3D (ie stereoscopic) Bluray then? What features, if any, does this add to the release in a practical sense? It definitely sounds like something that will confuse people if they're calling it 3D.
@Marc: I like that you chose to use the first night for the bulk of the DVD. You are well informed :D
OHMAHGLOBHELLYESWHYISITNOTMAYALREADYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
:biggrin:
They have been long overdue for a live release
2007 seems like an eternity ago
can't wait :)
Quote from: Kotowboy on February 01, 2013, 03:21:42 PM
Quote from: wasteland on February 01, 2013, 03:05:19 PM
Quote from: Kotowboy on February 01, 2013, 03:03:11 PM
I don't get it. ??? :sadpanda:
Wait, you don't know the first line of Metropolis? :huh:
Not that well !!
I've not heard I&W that often. I've usually listen to Awake onwards.
*smacks*
BTW, bosky, that may be one of the best, most awesome posts I've ever seen on any forum ever.
Quote from: The Letter M on February 01, 2013, 09:13:05 PM
Based on the set lists from both shows, this is my prediction for the 3CD set track listing:
Live At Luna Park
Disc 1 ~ 55-60 minutes
Dream Is Collapsing
Bridges in the Sky
6:00
These Walls*
Build Me Up, Break Me Down*
The Dark Eternal Night
This is the Life
Caught In A Web*
Disc 2 ~ 60-65 minutes
The Root of All Evil
Lost Not Forgotten
Drum Solo
A Fortune in Lies
The Silent Man (with a String Quartet)
Beneath the Surface (with a String Quartet)
Wait for Sleep (with a String Quartet)*
Far from Heaven (with a String Quartet)*
Outcry
Keyboard Solo/Surrounded
Disc 3 ~ 55-60 minutes
On the Backs of Angels
War Inside My Head
The Test That Stumped Them All
Guitar Solo/The Spirit Carries On
Breaking All Illusions
Encore:
Metropolis Pt. 1: The Miracle and the Sleeper
Pull Me Under
*From 2nd night at Luna Park
-Marc.
Pull Me Under would also be from the second night, yes?
I'm a little disappointed that they dropped The Ytse Jam in 2011, but ADTOE is easily the best DT tour I've attended. I'm looking forward to this.
Quote from: DebraKadabra on February 02, 2013, 12:26:09 AM
OHMAHGLOBHELLYESWHYISITNOTMAYALREADYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
:biggrin:
I just woke up and trying to read that with my eyes half open was quite the task.
Quote from: Prog Snob on February 02, 2013, 06:38:30 AM
Quote from: DebraKadabra on February 02, 2013, 12:26:09 AM
OHMAHGLOBHELLYESWHYISITNOTMAYALREADYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
:biggrin:
I just woke up and trying to read that with my eyes half open was quite the task.
Which is incidentally the same thing that happened to me some 6 hours ago :lol
Here how the Mativision job works..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VmCMRazzlPs
I'm loving the trailer. I was a bit surprised there was no audio from the concert, but still, this got me incredibly excited. Can't wait for the DVD. :metal
From what I understand, the final audio mix wasn't finished when they cut the trailer. However, they said in addition to that the audio is now in and it sounds killer. The info was from OTE, I believe.
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on February 02, 2013, 03:55:12 AM
Quote from: Kotowboy on February 01, 2013, 03:21:42 PM
Quote from: wasteland on February 01, 2013, 03:05:19 PM
Quote from: Kotowboy on February 01, 2013, 03:03:11 PM
I don't get it. ??? :sadpanda:
Wait, you don't know the first line of Metropolis? :huh:
Not that well !!
I've not heard I&W that often. I've usually listen to Awake onwards.
*smacks*
BTW, bosky, that may be one of the best, most awesome posts I've ever seen on any forum ever.
:angry: :angry: I've only been a fan since Systematic Chaos !!!
+ So Sorry if the triggered snare puts me off that album !!
MUST HAVE BLU-RAY
Quote from: Kotowboy on February 02, 2013, 09:37:52 AM
+ So Sorry if the triggered snare puts me off that album !!
I get it man, when my mom makes the best cake in the world and then throws some ground nuts on top, I can't eat it because I just hate nuts.
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on February 02, 2013, 10:03:32 AM
Quote from: Kotowboy on February 02, 2013, 09:37:52 AM
+ So Sorry if the triggered snare puts me off that album !!
I get it man, when my mom makes the best cake in the world and then throws some ground nuts on top, I can't eat it because I just hate nuts.
This is the ultimate answer to the triggered snare controversy. Mike Portnoy, where are you?
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on February 02, 2013, 10:03:32 AM
Quote from: Kotowboy on February 02, 2013, 09:37:52 AM
+ So Sorry if the triggered snare puts me off that album !!
I get it man, when my mom makes the best cake in the world and then throws some ground nuts on top, I can't eat it because I just hate nuts.
SO MUCH WIN.
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Quote from: Prog Snob on February 02, 2013, 06:38:30 AM
Quote from: DebraKadabra on February 02, 2013, 12:26:09 AM
OHMAHGLOBHELLYESWHYISITNOTMAYALREADYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
:biggrin:
I just woke up and trying to read that with my eyes half open was quite the task.
Pfft - I can read it just fine. :)
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on February 02, 2013, 10:03:32 AM
Quote from: Kotowboy on February 02, 2013, 09:37:52 AM
+ So Sorry if the triggered snare puts me off that album !!
I get it man, when my mom makes the best cake in the world and then throws some ground nuts on top, I can't eat it because I just hate nuts.
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v317/bizarredevotedfan/Randomness/waynes-world_Excellent_zpsf443fa02.jpg)
I am Mega-Excited for this! C'mon May! ;D
Great news... does anyone know the setlist of the Buenos Aires gigs? Will probably be the album tracklist, too. ;)
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on February 02, 2013, 10:03:32 AM
Quote from: Kotowboy on February 02, 2013, 09:37:52 AM
+ So Sorry if the triggered snare puts me off that album !!
I get it man, when my mom makes the best cake in the world and then throws some ground nuts on top, I can't eat it because I just hate nuts.
I'd like you to quote the part of my post where it said I hate Images & Words...
The snare is off-putting but I still listen to it.
In the same way people may like the album Octavarium but not like "Never Enough".
I'm still watching the trailer over and over again. I suppose I'll have to stop, or I won't JP the weight :blush
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on February 01, 2013, 03:17:18 PM
Quote from: wasteland on February 01, 2013, 02:58:07 PM
Quote from: bosk1 on February 01, 2013, 02:17:35 PM
I hope they call this DVD "The Smile Of Dawn." You know...because it'll be arriving early May.
Why isn't this in the Olympus of DT's quotes already? :rollin
IT ALREADY IS. IT ALREADY IS.
That would be so epic.
Maybe this will be my excuse to finally get myself a Bluray-player.
Quote from: Zydar on February 05, 2013, 04:10:59 AM
Maybe this will be my excuse to finally get myself a Bluray-player.
For the lawless sound it is so worth it Zy.
I have so far refused to look at any YouTube videos from these two concerts as I'd like to let the viewing of the Blu-ray to be the first time I experience them but could someone tell me if the string quartet did a good job or not? Those out of tune violins on Score still haunt my dreams at night.
^Love your avatar :lol
Quote from: Kotowboy on February 03, 2013, 06:32:58 AM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on February 02, 2013, 10:03:32 AM
Quote from: Kotowboy on February 02, 2013, 09:37:52 AM
+ So Sorry if the triggered snare puts me off that album !!
I get it man, when my mom makes the best cake in the world and then throws some ground nuts on top, I can't eat it because I just hate nuts.
I'd like you to quote the part of my post where it said I hate Images & Words...
The snare is off-putting but I still listen to it.
In the same way people may like the album Octavarium but not like "Never Enough".
And besides, that's a pretty poor analogy. If I hated nuts (or, say, was allergic) then I obviously wouldn't eat a cake covered in them - why would anyone do that? Surely you'd pick a cake without nuts?
Of course I would, and don't call me :shirley:
Quote from: ariich on February 05, 2013, 11:43:34 AM
Quote from: Kotowboy on February 03, 2013, 06:32:58 AM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on February 02, 2013, 10:03:32 AM
Quote from: Kotowboy on February 02, 2013, 09:37:52 AM
+ So Sorry if the triggered snare puts me off that album !!
I get it man, when my mom makes the best cake in the world and then throws some ground nuts on top, I can't eat it because I just hate nuts.
I'd like you to quote the part of my post where it said I hate Images & Words...
The snare is off-putting but I still listen to it.
In the same way people may like the album Octavarium but not like "Never Enough".
And besides, that's a pretty poor analogy. If I hated nuts (or, say, was allergic) then I obviously wouldn't eat a cake covered in them - why would anyone do that? Surely you'd pick a cake without nuts?
If you were allergic to nuts and ate a cake covered in nuts purely just to have the cake - then the nut is YOU.
Eh, but the nuts are just the sprinkle on top, a 0.0000001% of the cake, similar to IAW and triggered drums :)
Quote from: DebraKadabra on February 05, 2013, 01:22:15 PM
Of course I would, and don't call me :shirley:
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THIS STORY ENDS WHERE IT BEGAN
Something I never understood: why did Nielsen replied "don't call me Shirley" in the first place?
I probably have to catch up on 3 pages of thread, but I came here just to say 'this is looking good'.
Quote from: wasteland on February 05, 2013, 03:17:52 PM
Something I never understood: why did Nielsen replied "don't call me Shirley" in the first place?
It's an ape on the word "surely", as in...
"Surely, you can't be serious!"
"I AM serious, and don't call me Shirley."
Milena already made so that my ignorance was vanquished, but thank you very much for providing this explaination! Now it all makes more sense!
Back when Comedies were actually funny.
Then Judd Apatow and Seth Rogen came along and ruined everything.
Yeah because obviously all comedies now involve Apatow and Rogen.
Or Adam Sandler.
:censored
The last good comedy that came out was Clerks 2. The next good comedy that comes out will be Clerks 3. ;D
Quote from: Meatrose on February 05, 2013, 06:02:44 AM
I have so far refused to look at any YouTube videos from these two concerts as I'd like to let the viewing of the Blu-ray to be the first time I experience them but could someone tell me if the string quartet did a good job or not? Those out of tune violins on Score still haunt my dreams at night.
I don't know if anyone's answered your question yet, but they were awesome and your avvie is LaBrilliant.
(I assume credit for the word goes to Kotowboy)
ITT, terrible opinions about movies, and apparently only four or five comedies have been made in the past decade.
Quote from: TL on February 06, 2013, 11:22:31 AM
...only four or five good comedies have been made in the past decade.
Quote from: Prog Snob on February 06, 2013, 03:42:29 AM
The last good comedy that came out was Clerks 2. The next good comedy that comes out will be Clerks 3. ;D
Agreed, though Ted was more than mildly amusing.
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on February 06, 2013, 10:34:40 AM
I don't know if anyone's answered your question yet, but they were awesome and your avvie is LaBrilliant.
(I assume credit for the word goes to Kotowboy)
Thank you x2. ;)
May May come quickly!
Quote from: Meatrose on February 06, 2013, 02:10:38 PM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on February 06, 2013, 10:34:40 AM
I don't know if anyone's answered your question yet, but they were awesome and your avvie is LaBrilliant.
(I assume credit for the word goes to Kotowboy)
Thank you x2. ;)
May May come quickly!
It it will.
You should have written: It will will! :lol
But but.....
:facepalm: :facepalm:
:rollin :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :rollin
Quote from: DebraKadabra on February 06, 2013, 01:11:36 PM
Quote from: Prog Snob on February 06, 2013, 03:42:29 AM
The last good comedy that came out was Clerks 2. The next good comedy that comes out will be Clerks 3. ;D
Agreed, though Ted was more than mildly amusing.
Is the bear perverted in that movie?
Quote from: Prog Snob on February 06, 2013, 05:52:49 PM
Is the bear perverted in that movie?
Um... yeah, kind of. :lol
How awesome would it be if the special features contain something forklift related?
Quote from: TheLordOfTheStrings on February 07, 2013, 05:47:39 PM
How awesome would it be if the special features contain something forklift related?
:biggrin: :caffeine:
JM singing Forklifting Shadows Off A Dream.
:rollin
Quote from: TheLordOfTheStrings on February 07, 2013, 05:47:39 PM
How awesome would it be if the special features contain something forklift related?
Forklifts are indeed awesome. :metal
Quote from: Zydar on February 07, 2013, 11:47:15 PM
JM singing Forklifting Shadows Off A Dream.
6 Degrees of Propane Turbulence
Quote from: kingshmegland on February 08, 2013, 07:07:59 AM
Quote from: Zydar on February 07, 2013, 11:47:15 PM
JM singing Forklifting Shadows Off A Dream.
6 Degrees of Propane Turbulence
Ate Chinese last night. Result: 6 degrees of methane turbulence. Been there; done that.
Quote from: kingshmegland on February 08, 2013, 07:07:59 AM
Quote from: Zydar on February 07, 2013, 11:47:15 PM
JM singing Forklifting Shadows Off A Dream.
6 Degrees of Propane Turbulence
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I sell six degrees of propane accessories.
6 Degrees of Inner Masturbulence:
I: Overture 69
II: About to Explode
III: War About My Head
IV: The Stroke that Broke My Balls
V: Midday Nooner
VI: Masturbatory Gel
VII: About to Explode (again)
VIII: Oozing Slime/Climactic Profusion
:zydar:
Six Degrees Of Jordan Rudess
I. Scenes From A Memory
II. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence (Disc 1)
III. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence (Disc 2)
IV. Train of Thought
V. Octavarium
VI. Systematic Chaos
VII. Greatest Hit
VIII. Black Clouds/Silver Linings
Play THAT show...
-Marc.
Quote from: Meatrose on February 08, 2013, 12:24:52 AM
Quote from: TheLordOfTheStrings on February 07, 2013, 05:47:39 PM
How awesome would it be if the special features contain something forklift related?
Forklifts are indeed awesome. :metal
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Quote from: GasparXR on February 08, 2013, 07:20:58 AM
Quote from: kingshmegland on February 08, 2013, 07:07:59 AM
Quote from: Zydar on February 07, 2013, 11:47:15 PM
JM singing Forklifting Shadows Off A Dream.
6 Degrees of Propane Turbulence
(https://data.whicdn.com/images/24220319/215-hank-hill-smoking_thumb.jpg)
I sell six degrees of propane accessories.
:rollin :rollin :rollin
Been away a while, has a specific date been dropped yet?
Not yet.
But OTE have promised another trailer with a bonus feature which will be released "later this week"....
Quote from: Over The Edge Productions Facebook
Want to see one of the bonus features on the Dream Theater DVD? We may have a treat for you guys this week! ;)
I just hope it has actual audio from the show. The first trailer was pretty disappointing.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on February 13, 2013, 04:14:14 AM
I just hope it has actual audio from the show. The first trailer was pretty disappointing.
Didn't they say the next one would have audio? I'd be very surprised if we didn't get audio this time. I was pretty disappointed with the lack of audio in the first trailer too, although at least the video quality of the DVD/BD looks like it should be excellent. Hopefully the audio is up to the same standard.
The first one lacked concert audio because the final mix wasn't available when they put together the trailer. Although, I heard they do have it now (source: OTE).
The way it's been going, they'll probably release different video with the same studio tracks over the top :lol
Haven't been here for a while and I come along these news..... Awesome!!!!!!!
This Blu-Ray will be MINE!! Oh YES it will be MINE!! I saw the guys at the Majestic in San Antonio and a few months before in Austin. Looking forward to the new album and the UNLEASHING of MANGINI
Hi freefain - I was at the San Antonio show too! :metal
Quote from: philmcson on February 12, 2013, 07:25:37 AM
Not yet.
But OTE have promised another trailer with a bonus feature which will be released "later this week"....
ok so today? You really can't get much later in the week than Friday. (Well I guess, Saturday, but I'm going with today)
Give them time to have their coffee, guys!
...Coffee break is over!
No point asking who's to blame.
Quote from: bosk1 on February 15, 2013, 09:17:39 AM
No point asking who's to blame.
You're really getting into this aren't you :lol
When I first got into Maiden, I was so obsessed that the person getting me into them started to vocally regret having shown me them :D
So yeah, definitely feels like I've been here before.
It's just that I've listened to them so much over the last week or so that I have a bunch of their lyrics stuck in my head. :lol (or, stuck in my 'ed) :birch:
I know the feeling. I've been the same with Porcupine Tree the last few weeks.
Hmm, I don't think Bosk is familiar enough with Maiden to get that one yet so let me repeat:
FEELS LIKE I'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE
FEELS LIKE I'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE
FEELS LIKE I'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE
FEELS LIKE I'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE
Except that I've been listening to that album today. HA! (except currently, the lyrics for Stranger In A Strange Land are stuck in my head, not Deja Vu)
Put Deja Vu on and came to see this thread :D
Came in and saw this thread... put Deja Vu on... went on facebook to see Milena posted Deja Vu...
:metal
Trailer facts:
Quote from: Dream Theater FB PageDream Theater Live at Luna Park trailer pop up fact... The trailer is a compilation of over 15 hours of documentary footage and over 80 hours of concert footage. Thanks to Over The Edge (Facebook https://www.facebook.com/overtheedgeproductions / Twitter https://www.twitter.com/overtheedgeprod) for the facts.
80 h / (2*2,5 h) = 16 cameras (fits)
15 h documentary footage :omg:
Is that the treat?
Quote from: wasteland on February 16, 2013, 02:34:31 AM
Trailer facts:
Quote from: Dream Theater FB PageDream Theater Live at Luna Park trailer pop up fact... The trailer is a compilation of over 15 hours of documentary footage and over 80 hours of concert footage. Thanks to Over The Edge (Facebook https://www.facebook.com/overtheedgeproductions / Twitter https://www.twitter.com/overtheedgeprod) for the facts.
80 h / (2*2,5 h) = 16 cameras (fits)
15 h documentary footage :omg:
Very hard to achieve. Someone records with a camera backstage and you'll get those 15 hours in less than a week :P
Quote from: philmcson on February 16, 2013, 04:08:47 AM
Quote from: wasteland on February 16, 2013, 02:34:31 AM
Trailer facts:
Quote from: Dream Theater FB PageDream Theater Live at Luna Park trailer pop up fact... The trailer is a compilation of over 15 hours of documentary footage and over 80 hours of concert footage. Thanks to Over The Edge (Facebook https://www.facebook.com/overtheedgeproductions / Twitter https://www.twitter.com/overtheedgeprod) for the facts.
80 h / (2*2,5 h) = 16 cameras (fits)
15 h documentary footage :omg:
Very hard to achieve. Someone records with a camera backstage and you'll get those 15 hours in less than a week :P
Hey, I didn't authorize you to burst my bubble :getoffmylawn:
So apparently OTE has put off the big reveal due to the DT team telling them to wait until next week :/
So we have to wait another week to know who the new drummer is?
Quote from: JayOctavarium on February 16, 2013, 11:28:41 AM
So we have to wait another week to know who the new drummer is?
Spoiler alert: It's not Minnemann.
Rick Allen
It's Herman Rarebell.
Neil Peart will be pulling a double shift with two bands.
Meg White was in the running as well.
Quote from: Zydar on February 17, 2013, 07:29:40 AM
Meg White was in the running as well.
I heard Meg White touched JLB's flat iron and was kicked out of the audition.
Quote from: Mindflux on February 17, 2013, 07:31:19 AM
Quote from: Zydar on February 17, 2013, 07:29:40 AM
Meg White was in the running as well.
I heard Meg White touched JLB's flat iron and was kicked out of the audition.
Weird, he has practically passed on his flat iron to Mike Mangini. Hey, maybe that means that Mike is the new drummer?
I wonder if the band decided to delay this (i assume) trailer or something, in order to release it with a press release, including artwork and release date...
Quote from: nikatapi on February 17, 2013, 10:08:14 AM
I wonder if the band decided to delay this (i assume) trailer or something, in order to release it with a press release, including artwork and release date...
Oh, well, artwork and release date would be EXTREMELY well received from this one fan :metal
Quote from: wasteland on February 18, 2013, 12:05:55 AM
Quote from: nikatapi on February 17, 2013, 10:08:14 AM
I wonder if the band decided to delay this (i assume) trailer or something, in order to release it with a press release, including artwork and release date...
Oh, well, artwork and release date would be EXTREMELY well received from this one fan :metal
This.
Quote from: wasteland on February 18, 2013, 12:05:55 AM
Quote from: nikatapi on February 17, 2013, 10:08:14 AM
I wonder if the band decided to delay this (i assume) trailer or something, in order to release it with a press release, including artwork and release date...
Oh, well, artwork and release date would be EXTREMELY well received from this one fan :metal
Agreeing with Marco. :metal
Quote from: Jinx on February 16, 2013, 11:21:38 AM
So apparently OTE has put off the big reveal due to the DT team telling them to wait until next week :/
But....
This week is next week !!! :o
The news must come this week ! :D
New, interesting and UNEXPECTED info :o
Quote from: DTFBDream Theater Live at Luna Park trailer pop up fact... The footage took up over 7 Terrabytes of hard drive space.. Thanks to Over The Edge for the facts!
Yaay.
New, interesting and UNEXPECTED info :o
Quote from: DTFBDream Theater Live at Luna Park trailer pop up fact... Fans lined up for hours before the concert and were even waiting for the band at their hotel. Thanks to Over The Edge for the facts!
I get annoyed whenever they repost the video, because I keep thinking it's something new! :lol
Quote from: wasteland on February 19, 2013, 03:47:46 AM
New, interesting and UNEXPECTED info :o
Quote from: DTFBDream Theater Live at Luna Park trailer pop up fact... Fans lined up for hours before the concert and were even waiting for the band at their hotel. Thanks to Over The Edge for the facts!
Maybe nobody at Over The Edge has ever been to any concert in the history of ever. :lol :P
Quote from: BlobVanDam on February 19, 2013, 03:48:05 AM
I get annoyed whenever they repost the video, because I keep thinking it's something new! :lol
Same here. :lol
Quote from: Mladen on February 19, 2013, 03:57:22 AM
Quote from: BlobVanDam on February 19, 2013, 03:48:05 AM
I get annoyed whenever they repost the video, because I keep thinking it's something new! :lol
Same here. :lol
Third.
Quote from: OsMosis2259 on February 19, 2013, 06:42:26 AM
Quote from: Perpetual Change on February 19, 2013, 05:26:53 AM
Quote from: Mladen on February 19, 2013, 03:57:22 AM
Quote from: BlobVanDam on February 19, 2013, 03:48:05 AM
I get annoyed whenever they repost the video, because I keep thinking it's something new! :lol
Same here. :lol
Third.
Fourth
Actually I think it's the ytsetimes that keeps posting it over and over again.
Ytsetimes please freakin' stop OK????
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gABECAxp58w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gABECAxp58w)
Sixth.
So is this FINALLY going to be the first official DVD version of Metropolis as originally recorded, without any cut-outs; extended jams; Charlie Freakin' Dominici or an orchestra?? Really? Finally? I'd buy it just for that and watching MM play it.
Quote from: Dream Team on February 19, 2013, 11:49:14 AM
So is this FINALLY going to be the first official DVD version of Metropolis as originally recorded, without any cut-outs; extended jams; Charlie Freakin' Dominici or an orchestra?? Really? Finally? I'd buy it just for that and watching MM play it.
Yes. That is why I :\ at anyone who says Metropolis shouldn't be included. It was considered their definitive live song for a long time (and still might be, for all I know), and for us to go this long without getting it in full with just the five playing on it on an official live DVD/Blu-Ray seems goofy, but better late than never, right? :)
DVD, yes, but audio, I'm pretty sure the LATM version is pretty close to the studio version, is it not? Other than the obvious segue at the end into "A Fortune In Lies".
-Marc.
Except that there will be a jam in there somewhere, if I recall correctly how they played it on this tour. Of course, I don't mind having my favorite Dream Theater song on another DVD. ;D
Well, I'll never get tired of reminding you people that this Metropolis will come with an exceptional little jam towards the end, so some purist might still not count it as "ultimate", an opinion that I am lucky enough not to share. :)
ETA: Mladen Serbninja'd me :lol
I DON'T MIND THE JAM
You're all just jelly of the jam.
:lol
So anyway, I got to thinking about the setlist for this thing and was about to write some complaints but after thinking about it some more I realize there isn't much to complain about. Of the songs not yet on an official DVD, there are sound reasons for omitting most of them:
The Count of Tuscany & A Nightmare to Remember: too long to include in the set
The Shattered Fortress & The Best of Times: very much "Portnoy" songs
A Rite of Passage & Wither: pretty underwhelming songs on the whole that few will miss
Repentance & Honor thy Father: see point 2
Prophets of War, Never Enough, You Not Me, Burning My Soul: see point 3
Misunderstood: more of an "album" track than a live must-see
Space-Dye Vest & Take Away My Pain: either of these could have been included instead of TSM or WFS
The Mirror & Lie: again, could have been included instead of the SDOIT tracks
These are on a Bootleg DVD only:
The Glass Prison: another Portnoy song
The Great Debate: could have been included instead of TDEN or WIMH/TTTSTA
Hell's Kitchen: they used the time for a drum solo instead
So basically, there are only 4 songs without a proper DVD version that I would have preferred over TDEN or WIMH/TTTSTA - or they could have been played just 1 of the nights instead of TSCO or Surrounded both nights. I wouldn't have minded another Erotomania/Voices, Learning to Live, or A Change of Seasons but they are all on the Live Scenes DVD so I'll have to live with that.
so it is (near) the end of the week once again...im guessing were not getting any news?
Quote from: countoftuscany42 on February 22, 2013, 08:43:13 AM
so it is (near) the end of the week once again...im guessing were not getting any news?
It's eerie how fast weeks pass these days :eek
It's because we are having so much fun.
Seriously. Artwork. Tracklist. Bloody PRE-ORDER LINKS. Aaaaanything.
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on February 22, 2013, 09:08:05 AM
Seriously. Artwork. Tracklist. Bloody PRE-ORDER LINKS. Aaaaanything.
Pfft, Mike Portnoy would have had all this stuff out by now.
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on February 22, 2013, 09:08:05 AM
It's because we are having so much fun.
Seriously. Artwork. Tracklist. Bloody PRE-ORDER LINKS. Aaaaanything.
Well, I think it's still quite early for preorders. We are 2 months and one week away from the release day (assuming the DVD will be the smile of dawn), I'm not sure it's customary to open the gates this early.
Still, it's the perfect time to release information about artwork and tracklisting! :xbones
I think it's not early at all. But that's just me being an impatient asshole.
Quote from: wasteland on February 22, 2013, 09:12:16 AM
Still, it's the perfect time to release information about artwork and tracklisting! :xbones
And a new trailer
Quote from: Zook on February 22, 2013, 09:10:16 AM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on February 22, 2013, 09:08:05 AM
Seriously. Artwork. Tracklist. Bloody PRE-ORDER LINKS. Aaaaanything.
Pfft, Mike Portnoy would have had all this stuff out by now.
followed by moans and groans from the "Never Enough" group. :P
Quote from: Zook on February 22, 2013, 09:10:16 AM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on February 22, 2013, 09:08:05 AM
Seriously. Artwork. Tracklist. Bloody PRE-ORDER LINKS. Aaaaanything.
Pfft, Mike Portnoy would have had all this stuff out by now.
aDRUMaline in motion
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on February 22, 2013, 09:16:20 AM
I think it's not early at all. But that's just me being an impatient asshole.
I know we are so impatient, but what difference would make preordering? It's not that it would help us to tolerate the wait :D
Quote from: Zook on February 22, 2013, 09:10:16 AM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on February 22, 2013, 09:08:05 AM
Seriously. Artwork. Tracklist. Bloody PRE-ORDER LINKS. Aaaaanything.
Pfft, Mike Portnoy would have had all this stuff out by now.
Mike Portnoy put Chaos in Motion out.
:millahhhh
yup
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on February 22, 2013, 09:16:20 AM
I think it's not early at all. But that's just me being an impatient asshole.
You are not the only impatient asshole ! :laugh:
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on February 22, 2013, 11:30:50 AM
Quote from: Zook on February 22, 2013, 09:10:16 AM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on February 22, 2013, 09:08:05 AM
Seriously. Artwork. Tracklist. Bloody PRE-ORDER LINKS. Aaaaanything.
Pfft, Mike Portnoy would have had all this stuff out by now.
Mike Portnoy put Chaos in Motion out.
:millahhhh
Sarcasm, Chuck.
Quote from: Zook on February 22, 2013, 12:39:38 PM
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on February 22, 2013, 11:30:50 AM
Quote from: Zook on February 22, 2013, 09:10:16 AM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on February 22, 2013, 09:08:05 AM
Seriously. Artwork. Tracklist. Bloody PRE-ORDER LINKS. Aaaaanything.
Pfft, Mike Portnoy would have had all this stuff out by now.
Mike Portnoy put Chaos in Motion out.
:millahhhh
Sarcasm, Chuck.
Millahh smiley, "Chuck".
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on February 22, 2013, 01:56:58 PM
Quote from: Zook on February 22, 2013, 12:39:38 PM
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on February 22, 2013, 11:30:50 AM
Quote from: Zook on February 22, 2013, 09:10:16 AM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on February 22, 2013, 09:08:05 AM
Seriously. Artwork. Tracklist. Bloody PRE-ORDER LINKS. Aaaaanything.
Pfft, Mike Portnoy would have had all this stuff out by now.
Mike Portnoy put Chaos in Motion out.
:millahhhh
Sarcasm, Chuck.
Millahh smiley, "Chuck".
OH NO YOU DI'INT!
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_191_1357061683.jpg)
This thing still coming out?
We've all been trolled by Over The Edge productions
Thanks to Over The Edge productions for the troll! :laugh:
All these news, facts etc. about the DVD have been nothing but jokes and lies. Thanks to Over the Edge for the pranks!
In a couple of hours they are going to post a status update about how sorry they are that things are moving along slowly, that it's not completely in their hands and that they are quite postive that we will be given something interesting within next week. And stay assured, we're going to fall for it again, and again and again :lol
:eek I just realized that even though I've been a fan for nearly 4 years now, and experienced two studio albums being released, this will be the first new live DVD since I've become a fan :) I'm even more excited now.
Quote from: wasteland on March 01, 2013, 07:00:10 AM
In a couple of hours they are going to post a status update about how sorry they are that things are moving along slowly, that it's not completely in their hands and that they are quite postive that we will be given something interesting within next week. And stay assured, we're going to fall for it again, and again and again :lol
Where did you get this info, Wasteland ?
Quote from: wasteland on March 01, 2013, 07:00:10 AM
In a couple of hours they are going to post a status update about how sorry they are that things are moving along slowly, that it's not completely in their hands and that they are quite postive that we will be given something interesting within next week. And stay assured, we're going to fall for it again, and again and again :lol
I think the Purple Palace Proprietor must be posting their updates. :P
Quote from: fisotteke on March 02, 2013, 05:40:03 AM
Quote from: wasteland on March 01, 2013, 07:00:10 AM
In a couple of hours they are going to post a status update about how sorry they are that things are moving along slowly, that it's not completely in their hands and that they are quite postive that we will be given something interesting within next week. And stay assured, we're going to fall for it again, and again and again :lol
Where did you get this info, Wasteland ?
I think he is just joking :)
I was indeed :lol
I believe that you are figuring out that on this board we are not very keen to avoid laughter and jokes :D
Quote from: wasteland on March 02, 2013, 09:19:24 AM
I was indeed :lol
I believe that you are figuring out that on this board we are not very keen to avoid laughter and jokes :D
As a matter of fact, we are all just a figment of your vastly delusional imagination.
My illusive mind, you mean? :neverusethis:
Quote from: wasteland on March 02, 2013, 09:45:04 AM
My illusive mind, you mean? :neverusethis:
No,
Our illusive mind. We're all a part of you.
:neverusethis:
Edit: Double :neverusethis: because Ayreon
:lol
So if this never-world which he desires is only in his mind, shouldn't we be breaking all illusions? :neverusethis:
Quote from: Shadow2222 on March 02, 2013, 09:15:34 AM
Quote from: fisotteke on March 02, 2013, 05:40:03 AM
Quote from: wasteland on March 01, 2013, 07:00:10 AM
In a couple of hours they are going to post a status update about how sorry they are that things are moving along slowly, that it's not completely in their hands and that they are quite postive that we will be given something interesting within next week. And stay assured, we're going to fall for it again, and again and again :lol
Where did you get this info, Wasteland ?
I think he is just joking :)
I am new on the board, but I'm always in for a joke ! :biggrin: Good one, Wasteland :tup
No release date yet? No track listing? WTF?
Quote from: fisotteke on March 02, 2013, 11:44:52 AM
Quote from: Shadow2222 on March 02, 2013, 09:15:34 AM
Quote from: fisotteke on March 02, 2013, 05:40:03 AM
Quote from: wasteland on March 01, 2013, 07:00:10 AM
In a couple of hours they are going to post a status update about how sorry they are that things are moving along slowly, that it's not completely in their hands and that they are quite postive that we will be given something interesting within next week. And stay assured, we're going to fall for it again, and again and again :lol
Where did you get this info, Wasteland ?
I think he is just joking :)
I am new on the board, but I'm always in for a joke ! :biggrin: Good one, Wasteland :tup
Welcome, by the way! Always good to have another member!
(https://i.imgur.com/wd8wr.jpg)
Hope is eternal. Disappointment lasts forever.
Quote from: Meatrose on March 02, 2013, 04:48:04 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/wd8wr.jpg)
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Quote from: Shadow2222 on March 02, 2013, 02:29:47 PM
Quote from: fisotteke on March 02, 2013, 11:44:52 AM
Quote from: Shadow2222 on March 02, 2013, 09:15:34 AM
Quote from: fisotteke on March 02, 2013, 05:40:03 AM
Quote from: wasteland on March 01, 2013, 07:00:10 AM
In a couple of hours they are going to post a status update about how sorry they are that things are moving along slowly, that it's not completely in their hands and that they are quite postive that we will be given something interesting within next week. And stay assured, we're going to fall for it again, and again and again :lol
Where did you get this info, Wasteland ?
I think he is just joking :)
I am new on the board, but I'm always in for a joke ! :biggrin: Good one, Wasteland :tup
Welcome, by the way! Always good to have another member!
Thanks Shadow2222, glad to be on board
Quote from: Shadow2222 on March 02, 2013, 02:29:47 PM
Quote from: fisotteke on March 02, 2013, 11:44:52 AM
Quote from: Shadow2222 on March 02, 2013, 09:15:34 AM
Quote from: fisotteke on March 02, 2013, 05:40:03 AM
Quote from: wasteland on March 01, 2013, 07:00:10 AM
In a couple of hours they are going to post a status update about how sorry they are that things are moving along slowly, that it's not completely in their hands and that they are quite postive that we will be given something interesting within next week. And stay assured, we're going to fall for it again, and again and again :lol
Where did you get this info, Wasteland ?
I think he is just joking :)
I am new on the board, but I'm always in for a joke ! :biggrin: Good one, Wasteland :tup
Welcome, by the way! Always good to have another member!
he said member...
So stoked for this. I've never been remotely disappointed with a DT DVD release.
So OTE got back to me
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8248/8550926776_8d7cdc0b85_z.jpg)
Excellent.
Hopefully soon will be soon this time :D
Dream Theater, we're looking at you now...
If I was in their shoes I would release a 2-3 minute segment of the concert in a 1080p h.264 mkv (muxed with both stereo and 5.1 DTS-MA audio) and I would do so the same day the Blu-ray becomes available for pre-order. Then I'd just sit back and watch as a phenomenal amount of pre-orders start piling up.
Quote from: Meatrose on March 12, 2013, 06:28:35 AM
If I was in their shoes I would release a 2-3 minute segment of the concert in a 1080p h.264 mkv (muxed with both stereo and 5.1 DTS-MA audio) and I would do so the same day the Blu-ray becomes available for pre-order. Then I'd just sit back and watch as a phenomenal amount of pre-orders start piling up.
You obviously don't know how to spell the word on a Dream Theater board :D
We need more trailers. I side with Metatrose's bill.
Quote from: wasteland on March 12, 2013, 01:34:48 AM
Hopefully soon will be soon this time :D
All this waiting gives me a not-so-strange deja vu from the time before the drummer announcement 2 years ago - OTE's definition of 'soon' seems to be the same as DT's! ::)
Quote from: ? on March 12, 2013, 12:37:28 PM
Quote from: wasteland on March 12, 2013, 01:34:48 AM
Hopefully soon will be soon this time :D
All this waiting gives me a not-so-strange deja vu from the time before the drummer announcement 2 years ago - OTE's definition of 'soon' seems to be the same as DT's! ::)
To be honest, the only mistake that OTE is continually doing is prematurely announcing when they have no idea whether they'll be "allowed" to release anything.
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on March 12, 2013, 02:16:48 PM
To be honest, the only mistake that OTE is continually doing is prematurely announcing when they have no idea whether they'll be "allowed" to release anything.
:clap:
Quote from: wasteland on March 12, 2013, 01:34:48 AM
Hopefully soon will be soon this time :D
(https://puu.sh/2hTYg)
Has anyone made a documentary joke about announcing the release date of the DVD?
It seems that in www.amazon.co.jp we already have a cover and a release date for lhe BR (I'm still in trouble with my tablet to just copy and paste lhe link ! >:(
Are you speaking of this?
https://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/71uqNZU2aiL._AA1277_.jpg (https://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/71uqNZU2aiL._AA1277_.jpg)
I don't know man... the concept is very cool, but it looks rather... I don't know
(I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post the link to the presumed artwork. If we shall once again wait for an official press release, assuming that what we see is legit, snip this post out with no mercy :D )
If that is it, I think it looks pretty good. Very 'clean.'
Thanks , Wasteland! It was that! :tup
Anybody could translate the product description on google, please ? Maybe some new information about the extras...
Even if that isn't the actual cover, it would work, and it has the correct DT font. :P
I love the awful Google Translated mess I came up with:
"August 2012 Dream Theater INTRODUCTION, the highest peak! ● Pureguresshivu Metal planning special limited 2500 set which contains the Blu-ray +2 DVD +3 CD + booklet! LP box live video latest in Argentina, Dream Theater 2012 recording high-quality, high-quality sound that I went to live in Argentina in August. ● internal origin members, after leaving Mark Potonoi, which boasts the world's fastest drummer, and Mike Manjini"
Mark Potonoi :lol
Quote from: Shadow2222 on March 20, 2013, 03:45:58 PM
I love the awful Google Translated mess I came up with:
"August 2012 Dream Theater INTRODUCTION, the highest peak! ● Pureguresshivu Metal planning special limited 2500 set which contains the Blu-ray +2 DVD +3 CD + booklet! LP box live video latest in Argentina, Dream Theater 2012 recording high-quality, high-quality sound that I went to live in Argentina in August. ● internal origin members, after leaving Mark Potonoi, which boasts the world's fastest drummer, and Mike Manjini"
Mark Potonoi :lol Very funny indeed!
:rollin
Well ... we tried !!! :tup
That's pretty cool artwork, real or not. It's a keeper.
Quote from: wasteland on March 20, 2013, 03:08:11 PM
Are you speaking of this?
https://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/71uqNZU2aiL._AA1277_.jpg (https://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/71uqNZU2aiL._AA1277_.jpg)
I don't know man... the concept is very cool, but it looks rather... I don't know
(I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post the link to the presumed artwork. If we shall once again wait for an official press release, assuming that what we see is legit, snip this post out with no mercy :D )
Yeah, the concept is cool...but the guy in the unicycle (and his hat) look lame-ish.
I just think the hair looks bad. And kinda gruesome, considering what is gonna happen to that poor unicyclist.... :lol
My only problem is that it looks so cut and pasted, theres like no shading on the plane or anything to show that the unicyclist is there.
Cut and pasted or not, it just doesn't look good. :facepalm:
This spake DTF's official photographs! :lol
May 15th release date!! Just pre-ordered the Japanese Deluxe Edition.
Quote from: KISS 76 on March 20, 2013, 11:50:02 PM
May 15th release date!! Just pre-ordered the Japanese Deluxe Edition.
So it will not arrive early May. They defrauded us :censored
Quote from: YtseCullen on March 20, 2013, 10:57:41 PM
My only problem is that it looks so cut and pasted, theres like no shading on the plane or anything to show that the unicyclist is there.
what shading? its cloudy out ;D
Am I wrong or do I see 6.00 in the tracklisting? :omg:
Quote from: Cyclopssss on March 21, 2013, 01:19:49 AM
Am I wrong or do I see 6.00 in the tracklisting? :omg:
Nope, they played it. You need to see the setlists, my friend :D
I translated the tracklist with Google translator and it looks like this:
● Bridges In The Sky
● 6:00
● The Dark Eternal Night
● This Is The Life
● The Root Of All Evil
● Not For Got Lost emissions
● drum solo
● Fortune in Lies
● Silent Man
● Beneath The Surface
● outcry
● Piano Solo
● Saraundeddo
● War Inside My Head
● Test That Sutanpudo Them All
● guitar solo
● The Spirit Carries On
● Breaking All Illusions
● Metropolis Part 1
- Bonus -
● THESE Walls
● Build Me Up, Break Me Down
● Court-in-a-web
● Wait for Sleep
● Far From Heaven
● Pull Me under
"Not For Got Lost emissions" :rollin
Anyway, looks like the songs that were only played on the second night are the bonus material. Well, it's good that all the songs are on the release! :tup
So that probably means the "main" set is the first full show. I am fine with this if it is legit.
I thought they'd make a mix of both nights but maybe it was easier to put one of the shows as the main one.
Quote from: ? on March 21, 2013, 01:40:39 AM
I thought they'd make a mix of both nights but maybe it was easier to put one of the shows as the main one.
Yeah, and the first show was ever so slightly stronger.
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on March 21, 2013, 01:37:33 AM
So that probably means the "main" set is the first full show. I am fine with this if it is legit.
I am extremely fine with it, because of SURROUNDEDDO, as you know :D
Saraundeddo :metal
Wait a minute... there's no OTBOA! :omg: Maybe it's an error.
Anyway, Test That Sutanpudo Them All and Court-in-a-web :metalol:
Spinoff thread to convert all DT song names in pseudo-japanese! :D
QuoteSpinoff thread to convert all DT song names in pseudo-japanese!
Ran discography through google translate, english --> japanese -->english. Some highlights:
"Ones to help you configure the sun"
"It was surrounded by"
"Best-Dye Universe"
"You are not for Me"
"I will talk to me" (Speak to me)
"Beyond the Scene for this period" (Beyond this Life)
"It's Empty" (Vacant)
"The Scream" (Outcry)
"You are not for Me" :lol
Quote from: JoeG on March 21, 2013, 02:39:42 AM
QuoteSpinoff thread to convert all DT song names in pseudo-japanese!
Ran discography through google translate, english --> japanese -->english. Some highlights:
"Ones to help you configure the sun"
"It was surrounded by"
"Best-Dye Universe"
"You are not for Me"
"I will talk to me" (Speak to me)
"Beyond the Scene for this period" (Beyond this Life)
"It's Empty" (Vacant)
"The Scream" (Outcry)
So Japanese officially believe that SDV is the best song in the universe? :D
"I will talk to me" and "Beyond the Scene for this Period" made me lol :lol
EDIT: I translated the names for all the DT songs to Finnish and then back to English. No funny translations of translations, but the most different ones from the original were Beneath the Surface (In Depth) and OTBOA (Spine Angels). However, I Walk Beside You was translated as "Ismo Beside You" (Ismo is a man's name) before I translated it back into English! :rollin
Quote from: JoeG on March 21, 2013, 02:39:42 AM
"Beyond the Scene for this period" (Beyond this Life)
"It's Empty" (Vacant)
:rollin
Now if anyone could translate the releasedate, we'd all be celebrate.
Quote from: ? on March 21, 2013, 01:34:08 AM
Not For Got Lost emissions
:lol
Looks really good, all of it. I'm fine with the track list and bonus songs, especially because all of it will be released. :metal
LOL LOL
August 2012 Dream Theater! Planning special limited 2500 set accommodating the Blu-ray +2 DVD +3 CD + booklet! LP box live video latest in Argentina
pinnacle of ● Pureguresshivu metal, Dream Theater August 2012 recording high-quality, high-quality sound that I went to live in Argentina. ● internal origin members, after leaving Mark Potonoi, which boasts the world's fastest drummer, welcome to the successor to Mike Manjini, announced in September 2011, "A Dramatic Turn of Events". Performances that Japan desperately album in April 2012. Track the performance of Argentina in August 2012 when they toured South America as it is the momentum that show off the potential does not change albums, as well as live. ● will be expanded further to boost the sound stage dramatic atmosphere of the fans of Argentina has been completed in hot virtuosity, reached its climax. Song of the new album "A Dramatic Turn of Events" is recorded and all, it is the work of plenty of attractions. [Specifications Deluxe Edition] - Blu-ray (same as Blu-ray)-2DVD -3CD deluxe booklet, sealed paper sleeve Japanese edition CD housed the original design specification · LP size hard cover ● Bridges In The Sky Song] [content plan ● 6:00 ● The Dark Eternal Night ● This Is The Life ● The Root Of All Evil ● Not For Got Lost emissions drum solo ● ● Fortune in Lies ● Silent Man Beneath The Surface ● ● outcry piano solo ● ● Saraundeddo ● War Inside My Head ● Test That Sutanpudo Them All guitar solo ● ● The Spirit Carries On ● Breaking All Illusions ● Metropolis Part 1 - Bonus - THESE Walls ● ● Build Me Up, Break Me Down ● Court-in-a-web ● Wait for Sleep Far From Heaven ● ● Pull Me under
Pureguresshivu metal - is that an Indian subgenre?
Damn, online translating tools have a loooooong way to go.
"completed in hot virtuosity"
Since it seems the first night will be the full concert (minus the bonus songs), are we losing out on any spectacular performances from the second night of any of the duplicated songs?
Quote from: Shadow2222 on March 21, 2013, 05:01:38 AM
Since it seems the first night will be the full concert (minus the bonus songs), are we losing out on any spectacular performances from the second night of any of the duplicated songs?
On most of what I checked out, no. Just like the first night, they were mostly slightly stronger than the tour average, but the first night was stronger overall, and on a couple of songs (notably Surrounded) significantly so.
Pureguresshivu metal! :2metal:
Quote from: Cyclopssss on March 21, 2013, 03:49:33 AM
Now if anyone could translate the releasedate, we'd all be celebrate.
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Quote from: KISS 76 on March 20, 2013, 11:50:02 PM
May 15th release date!! Just pre-ordered the Japanese Deluxe Edition.
'Purogureshibu metaru' would have been the correct phonetic transposition.
Anyway, if that's the cover, I really don't like it.
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on March 21, 2013, 05:05:05 AM
Quote from: Shadow2222 on March 21, 2013, 05:01:38 AM
Since it seems the first night will be the full concert (minus the bonus songs), are we losing out on any spectacular performances from the second night of any of the duplicated songs?
On most of what I checked out, no. Just like the first night, they were mostly slightly stronger than the tour average, but the first night was stronger overall, and on a couple of songs (notably Surrounded) significantly so.
Awesome. Thanks Mora!
Does anyone here think that this is possibly fake, or at least subject to change?
Quote from: Cedar redaC on March 21, 2013, 06:39:59 AM
Does anyone here think that this is possibly fake, or at least subject to change?
It can definitely be. But let's discuss it as if it were legit since DT is not giving us any info at the moment :biggrin:
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on March 21, 2013, 06:41:29 AM
Quote from: Cedar redaC on March 21, 2013, 06:39:59 AM
Does anyone here think that this is possibly fake, or at least subject to change?
It can definitely be. But let's discuss it as if it were legit since DT is not giving us any info at the moment :biggrin:
Okay :lol
I can live with that, if it's the cover.
I was at the Luna Park on the second night. Honestly, it wasn't impressive. Don't get me wrong: DT in a "not perfect night" is still an outstanding event. We all know that. If they're planning to release the first show, good. I'd like to watch that, plus the non repeated songs from the second one as an extra.
Quote from: Cyclopssss on March 21, 2013, 07:03:00 AM
I can live with that, if it's the cover.
Yeah, it's not exactly thrilling, but it works. I like the fact the unicyclist is there.
Court in a Weeeeeeb
Quote from: Cedar redaC on March 21, 2013, 06:39:59 AM
Does anyone here think that this is possibly fake, or at least subject to change?
I'm quite sure it isn't fake; lots of upcoming CDs and DVDs appear on online stores' websites with release dates, details etc. before they've been officially announced. Some details may change though, for example if the release gets delayed (which hopefully won't happen!).
Quote from: ? on March 21, 2013, 07:24:43 AM
Quote from: Cedar redaC on March 21, 2013, 06:39:59 AM
Does anyone here think that this is possibly fake, or at least subject to change?
I'm quite sure it isn't fake; lots of upcoming CDs and DVDs appear on online stores' websites with release dates, details etc. before they've been officially announced. Some details may change though, for example if the release gets delayed (which hopefully won't happen!).
You really had to say that did you :yeahright
Quote from: YtseCullen on March 20, 2013, 10:57:41 PM
My only problem is that it looks so cut and pasted, theres like no shading on the plane or anything to show that the unicyclist is there.
This. In general, I love Hugh Syme's work, but I think he's getting lazy, taking on too much work (and therefore doesn't have enough time to give the cover the attention it deserves) or he has underlings that are working for him and he's not looking at the artwork closely before giving it his stamp of approval. Not only is this apparent with DT's artwork, but even some of Rush's is starting to get this way. :-[
Anyway, the fact that he used exactly the same unicyclist - nothing changed aside from the coloring and that his hat is blowing away - comes off looking very poor or as YtseCullen said, cut and paste. I think some proper shading on the unicyclist could've helped at least a little bit.
Even the majesty symbol looks very arbitrary and I don't think properly follows the contours of the airplane body (worse than on the cover for ADToE, which I also think looks arbitrary, but not as bad as this). I just wish he'd have put more time/effort/thought into it, and that the guys in the band that approved it would have pushed him to do so.
As for the tracklisting, personally I would have preferred that the songs from both shows be intermixed - I doubt it would have taken that much effort to do so. My biggest fear is that the "bonus" tracks won't appear on the CD release whatsoever, which would be a major disappointment to me.
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on March 21, 2013, 07:27:02 AM
Quote from: ? on March 21, 2013, 07:24:43 AM
Quote from: Cedar redaC on March 21, 2013, 06:39:59 AM
Does anyone here think that this is possibly fake, or at least subject to change?
I'm quite sure it isn't fake; lots of upcoming CDs and DVDs appear on online stores' websites with release dates, details etc. before they've been officially announced. Some details may change though, for example if the release gets delayed (which hopefully won't happen!).
You really had to say that did you :yeahright
It does happen with some releases! But considering the amount of time they've spent working on this DVD and Bluray, I don't think it's likely to be delayed again. Or wait a minute, has it actually been delayed at all? This is the first time we have an actual release date.
Quote from: AngelBack on March 21, 2013, 04:59:42 AM
"completed in hot virtuosity"
AND reached its climax.
Quote from: DebraKadabra on March 21, 2013, 10:56:42 AM
Quote from: AngelBack on March 21, 2013, 04:59:42 AM
"completed in hot virtuosity"
AND reached its climax.
Now this whole "Mike Mangini's underwear" business begins to make sense. DT have switched to making porn for the eyes and not just for the ears :lol
:lol
Yous guys... :rollin
:biggrin:
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on March 21, 2013, 11:01:50 AM
Quote from: DebraKadabra on March 21, 2013, 10:56:42 AM
Quote from: AngelBack on March 21, 2013, 04:59:42 AM
"completed in hot virtuosity"
AND reached its climax.
Now this whole "Mike Mangini's underwear" business begins to make sense. DT have switched to making porn for the eyes and not just for the ears :lol
Too bad Home won't be on the DVD... :biggrin: Well, at least we'll get TROAE - those chorus lyrics... :zydar:
Quote from: ? on March 21, 2013, 11:35:32 AM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on March 21, 2013, 11:01:50 AM
Quote from: DebraKadabra on March 21, 2013, 10:56:42 AM
Quote from: AngelBack on March 21, 2013, 04:59:42 AM
"completed in hot virtuosity"
AND reached its climax.
Now this whole "Mike Mangini's underwear" business begins to make sense. DT have switched to making porn for the eyes and not just for the ears :lol
Too bad Home won't be on the DVD... :biggrin: Well, at least we'll get TROAE - those chorus lyrics... :zydar:
The second verse as well... these exchanged looks and smiles are quite telling: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uF4oZC4fPNk#t=96s :lol
hey I was at that show :biggrin:
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on March 21, 2013, 11:50:37 AM
hey I was at that show :biggrin:
Yeah I was just watching a few clips of it in my study break... the only thing I can say is "you lucky fucker" :lol
(also welcome to the forums)
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on March 21, 2013, 11:46:45 AM
Quote from: ? on March 21, 2013, 11:35:32 AM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on March 21, 2013, 11:01:50 AM
Quote from: DebraKadabra on March 21, 2013, 10:56:42 AM
Quote from: AngelBack on March 21, 2013, 04:59:42 AM
"completed in hot virtuosity"
AND reached its climax.
Now this whole "Mike Mangini's underwear" business begins to make sense. DT have switched to making porn for the eyes and not just for the ears :lol
Too bad Home won't be on the DVD... :biggrin: Well, at least we'll get TROAE - those chorus lyrics... :zydar:
The second verse as well... these exchanged looks and smiles are quite telling: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uF4oZC4fPNk#t=96s :lol
:lol
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on March 21, 2013, 11:54:48 AM
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on March 21, 2013, 11:50:37 AM
hey I was at that show :biggrin:
Yeah I was just watching a few clips of it in my study break... the only thing I can say is "you lucky fucker" :lol
(also welcome to the forums)
haha and thank you!! :metal
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on March 21, 2013, 05:05:05 AM
Quote from: Shadow2222 on March 21, 2013, 05:01:38 AM
Since it seems the first night will be the full concert (minus the bonus songs), are we losing out on any spectacular performances from the second night of any of the duplicated songs?
On most of what I checked out, no. Just like the first night, they were mostly slightly stronger than the tour average, but the first night was stronger overall, and on a couple of songs (notably Surrounded) significantly so.
I was at both shows and to me the second one sounded a lot better than the first one but I think it had to do with the fact that I was at different places withing the venue. Still, I wouldn't rely on what was heard on the show or in the videos you saw because the sound will surely have some editing on top.
Quote from: Nekov on March 21, 2013, 12:29:58 PM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on March 21, 2013, 05:05:05 AM
Quote from: Shadow2222 on March 21, 2013, 05:01:38 AM
Since it seems the first night will be the full concert (minus the bonus songs), are we losing out on any spectacular performances from the second night of any of the duplicated songs?
On most of what I checked out, no. Just like the first night, they were mostly slightly stronger than the tour average, but the first night was stronger overall, and on a couple of songs (notably Surrounded) significantly so.
I was at both shows and to me the second one sounded a lot better than the first one but I think it had to do with the fact that I was at different places withing the venue. Still, I wouldn't rely on what was heard on the show or in the videos you saw because the sound will surely have some editing on top.
Honestly, I am of the opinion that if JLB needs a little bit of "help" to sound amazing, then I'm all for it (as long as it isn't auto-tuned to hell).
I'd much prefer it to some of Budokan.
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on March 21, 2013, 11:01:50 AM
Quote from: DebraKadabra on March 21, 2013, 10:56:42 AM
Quote from: AngelBack on March 21, 2013, 04:59:42 AM
"completed in hot virtuosity"
AND reached its climax.
Now this whole "Mike Mangini's underwear" business begins to make sense. DT have switched to making porn for the eyes and not just for the ears :lol
Featuring John "the exaggerator" Petrucci.
I'd be extremely disappointed (and also utterly shocked) if OTBOA won't be in the DVD. It also hits me harder than ever that until the release of their next DVD (and even then it's not certain), the only "official" BCSL live footage we'd have is Download festival and Summer Sonic. I mean, BCSL is kinda my least favorite DT album, but that doesn't mean much when they're all so great and honestly, maybe that observation would change if I got to see some of these songs played live, as it did with, say, TOT.
Otherwise, it all seems great. Bring it!
On the Backs of Angels will be on the DVD.
Quote from: IdoSC on March 29, 2013, 01:36:17 PM
I'd be extremely disappointed (and also utterly shocked) if OTBOA won't be in the DVD. It also hits me harder than ever that until the release of their next DVD (and even then it's not certain), the only "official" BCSL live footage we'd have is Download festival and Summer Sonic. I mean, BCSL is kinda my least favorite DT album, but that doesn't mean much when they're all so great and honestly, maybe that observation would change if I got to see some of these songs played live, as it did with, say, TOT.
Otherwise, it all seems great. Bring it!
Yeah, I was just looking at that. The setlist for the last BC&SL show in Tokyo would have filled in very nicely the songs we don't have on a DVD release.
Hey DT! If you're reading this I would definitely buy a YTSEJAM release of this.
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 29, 2013, 01:40:32 PM
On the Backs of Angels will be on the DVD.
I'm aware it was probably a mistake (or I missed it, or the guys who copied the translated text missed it), but it had me worried for like the split second it took me to mention that in my previous post as I really liked that song and James nailed did wonders in that edition. It's more about BCSL, especially the Portnoy-related songs, be it musically (vocals in ANTR, TCOT) or personally (TBOT, TSF).
Quote from: Another_Won on March 29, 2013, 01:40:58 PM
Yeah, I was just looking at that. The setlist for the last BC&SL show in Tokyo would have filled in very nicely the songs we don't have on a DVD release.
Hey DT! If you're reading this I would definitely buy a YTSEJAM release of this.
I'm more or less satisfied with the footage available from the festival's broadcast in Youtube, obviously it would've been nicer to get it in higher quality and adjusted for a DT DVD but it's great this way too. I'm definitely hoping to get an official bootleg from the BCSL tour one day, but I hold higher hopes for having all the songs from that album in rotation in future tours.
Maybe bar TBOT if they really have to. As much as i love that song, it
is even more personal than SDV lyrically (however it screams "DT" musically). It'd be stupid if they banned TSF though, as it's the summary of a saga featuring songs they used to play dozens of time (not counting Repentance...), one of those songs was in rotation in this very tour.
I hear you, but once you think about it it would be kind of silly to not include the single from the album...and song they played on both nights.
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 29, 2013, 02:10:04 PM
I hear you, but once you think about it it would be kind of silly to not include the single from the album...and song they played on both nights.
Ah, it was played on both nights? Then it's definitely there if the first night
in its entirety is the main footage of the DVD :P I really need to check out the setlists again, haven't looked at them since September
P.S., do you guys think that the bonus songs from the 2nd night would be mixed and worked on at the same level as the main set?
Nothing new, but still...
QuoteWe're at the mercy of DT and they've decided to hold off on the bonus feature until it gets closer to the release. We have been pushing to release as much as we can but to be honest, your constant negativity isn't keeping us motivated But as soon as we're allowed to release something... we certainly will, because we're just as excited to!!
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=492654054126561&set=a.135044486554188.21268.135021603223143&type=1&comment_id=1355303&offset=0&total_comments=7 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=492654054126561&set=a.135044486554188.21268.135021603223143&type=1&comment_id=1355303&offset=0&total_comments=7)
Let's just pretend that update never happened. I'm very excited for the bonus contents and the show, and I'm really looking forward the 360° thing. :)
ggrrrrrrrrrr..
well at least it's not as bad as when I was waiting for Styx to release the Grand Illusion/ Pieces of Eight DVD... The concert was in November 2010, and it came out Jan 2012... and we got pretty much no updates in between.. and it had songs I had to refrain from looking at on youtube since some were obscure songs they had never played live before and I wanted to see the whole thing at once. and btw they still call it their "new" DVD..
They should've done Pieces of Eight when Dennis was still in the band - saw a show on The Grand Illusion 20th anniversary tour and it SMOKED.
Anyhoo... why is your user name so long?
Quote from: DebraKadabra on March 31, 2013, 05:18:20 PM
They should've done Pieces of Eight when Dennis was still in the band - saw a show on The Grand Illusion 20th anniversary tour and it SMOKED.
Anyhoo... why is your user name so long?
Another Styx fan? Awesome!!! Yea Dennis is fantastic too, but have you seen Lawrence Gowan? He's very different than DDY in some ways. Some better, some not, but Id rather see Styx without DDY and DDY on his own. And the album they made in 2003 (the only studio one with LG) is FANTASTIC. If you like DT you need to check out that album. Namely the song One With Everything.
Why is my username so long? Cuz it's freakin awesome! Haha It's actually at the character limit ;D
Pronounced Sixdegrematicchaosonachristmasmorning
Already quite familiar with One With Everything - great song, but... it was missing a little something. Mainly Dennis. Heh... yeah, I'm a DDY fangirl, I admit it. :biggrin: Been a fan since about 1981/1982.
Oh, and I get your handle - it's just too freaking long. :lol
ahh haha alright :) I freaking LOVE that whole album. That and Grand Illusion and Pieces of Eight and Serpent is Rising and all the others :biggrin:
now back to Dream Theater lol
OTE should have never been teasing everyone with all these cool things about the DVD unless they have a definite date on which to release the material, rather than putting it off every week.
Quote from: nikatapi on March 31, 2013, 02:51:41 PM
Nothing new, but still...
QuoteWe're at the mercy of DT and they've decided to hold off on the bonus feature until it gets closer to the release. We have been pushing to release as much as we can but to be honest, your constant negativity isn't keeping us motivated But as soon as we're allowed to release something... we certainly will, because we're just as excited to!!
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=492654054126561&set=a.135044486554188.21268.135021603223143&type=1&comment_id=1355303&offset=0&total_comments=7 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=492654054126561&set=a.135044486554188.21268.135021603223143&type=1&comment_id=1355303&offset=0&total_comments=7)
I kind of didn't have much sympathy when I read that, cos I thought, "Well, you're doing it to yourselves by constantly promising updates."
Then I scrolled down, saw this...
https://www.facebook.com/OverTheEdgeProductions/posts/542957965748233
...and thought, "Yeah, DT fans are dicks."
Quote from: robwebster on March 31, 2013, 07:13:18 PM
Quote from: nikatapi on March 31, 2013, 02:51:41 PM
Nothing new, but still...
QuoteWe're at the mercy of DT and they've decided to hold off on the bonus feature until it gets closer to the release. We have been pushing to release as much as we can but to be honest, your constant negativity isn't keeping us motivated But as soon as we're allowed to release something... we certainly will, because we're just as excited to!!
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=492654054126561&set=a.135044486554188.21268.135021603223143&type=1&comment_id=1355303&offset=0&total_comments=7 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=492654054126561&set=a.135044486554188.21268.135021603223143&type=1&comment_id=1355303&offset=0&total_comments=7)
I kind of didn't have much sympathy when I read that, cos I thought, "Well, you're doing it to yourselves by constantly promising updates."
Then I scrolled down, saw this...
https://www.facebook.com/OverTheEdgeProductions/posts/542957965748233
...and thought, "Yeah, DT fans are dicks."
Word.
So I decided to troll those dicks back
https://www.facebook.com/OverTheEdgeProductions/posts/542957965748233?comment_id=97837014&offset=0&total_comments=13
;D
A few thoughts on the last few posts...
1. While if any of the two sides here are in the wrong it's DT rather than OTE, but I have a feeling that DT won't work with OTE for their next release. The band and their management really doesn't like drama and pretty much communicating with fans beyond objective facts, and OTE's PR or facebook management or whatever is kinda arguing with fans right now. Maybe and hopefully I'm wrong because they seem to do a great job otherwise.
2. I don't even get why DT fans (on Facebook mostly, mind you, not you guys) expect the production guys to give out information about the product. I mean we don't expect the guys who mix and master the audio in Roadrunner records to leak material out to the internet, if that ever happens it comes from DT and the people in charge of the band and the record company. Not the employee who actually produces it.
3. Their comment wasn't so tasteful and it's a shame that we even got to a situation where we're mad at the band for under-publicizing their product (and some random guys at Facebook blame it on OTE), but seriously, those comments in FB on each and every post from OTE...DT fans are dicks.
Holy shit these "DT" people on OTE's Facebook are annoying. I'm anticipating the release as much as anyone, and I think some of OTE's announcements have been weird, but that's no reason to spam the guys.
No wonder DT fans barely have a better reputation than Juggalos online :D
DT
Seriously what is up with the spam? I mean... come on... I can imagine spaming posts that are about DT but give the guys a little respect and don't spam everything.
Some people are douches.
TBH I'm a bit embarrassed about this as well, it made sense to ask for info when they were still promising they'd actually give any info (which was plausible, since up 'til this point there isn't even a trailer with concert audio released), but spamming them now is just pointless. Since the DVD was tentatively scheduled for May, and we don't have any release dates nor a name or anything, I would expect there's been a delay or the label/DT has decided to announce it later so it wouldn't clash with album/tour/Jordan's April Fool's album mock-press release/Jesus resurrecting again/YOU GET THE POINT-announcements and since OTE's already been hasty enough to announce shit way before time, they are likely now embarrassed (or at least I would be) and spamming them is just not nice.
I wouldn't go as far as to say this is another thing that damages the reputation of DT fans, since no one but like, half of actual DT fans are even aware the DVD is underway for release anymore, because the situation is what it is :P
That wasn't very pleasant to see, but for some reason I had to chuckle a bit. ;D
All that spamming is ridiculous... :facepalm: Why go and fill OTE's page with DT comments when it's DT themselves and/or Roadrunner who will announce the details, release date and other info? Besides, I believe we will get some announcement soon, considering that the planned release date will be in May and the details could be seen on the Japanese Amazon website already.
Besides, the constant bumping of this sticked thread makes is wearing my out :lol
But with you posting in it, you just bumped it. So did I, for that matter. :xbones
:bump:
OTE maybe shouldn't have jumped the gun with promises, but the spamming is completely unneeded.
By the way, I no longer expect updates in this thread, so when/if there is one, I will be pleasantly surprised. ^.^
I suggest a lock until there is actually news.
Quote from: TAC on April 03, 2013, 01:17:38 PM
I suggest a lock until there is actually news.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36480.msg1545722#new
Quote from: Perpetual Change on April 03, 2013, 01:19:56 PM
Quote from: TAC on April 03, 2013, 01:17:38 PM
I suggest a lock until there is actually news.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36480.msg1545722#new
Great minds think alike! ;D
Quote from: TAC on April 03, 2013, 03:31:34 PM
Quote from: Perpetual Change on April 03, 2013, 01:19:56 PM
Quote from: TAC on April 03, 2013, 01:17:38 PM
I suggest a lock until there is actually news.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36480.msg1545722#new
Great minds think alike! ;D
Well, I might not have a great mind but I still agree with this. I posted over in the forum suggestion section.
BREAKING NEWS!
We are one day closer to release day :mangini:
Quote from: Zydar on April 04, 2013, 04:37:17 AM
BREAKING NEWS!
We are one day closer to release day :mangini:
HA! you didn't get me. I knew it wasn't a DVD update. I only come to this thread now to check for updates on all the various derailed topics. :biggrin:
Quote from: Zydar on April 04, 2013, 04:37:17 AM
BREAKING NEWS!
We are one day closer to release day :mangini:
And one day closer to death. :|
Every year is getting shorter...
Quote from: Bolsters on April 04, 2013, 05:11:36 AM
Quote from: Zydar on April 04, 2013, 04:37:17 AM
BREAKING NEWS!
We are one day closer to release day :mangini:
And one day closer to death. :| Every year is getting shorter...
One less to my last.
Quote from: wasteland on April 04, 2013, 05:14:09 AM
Quote from: Bolsters on April 04, 2013, 05:11:36 AM
Quote from: Zydar on April 04, 2013, 04:37:17 AM
BREAKING NEWS!
We are one day closer to release day :mangini:
And one day closer to death. :| Every year is getting shorter...
One less to... MY LAST!
FTFJ'93.
Quote from: wasteland on April 04, 2013, 06:10:45 AM
Quote from: ? on April 04, 2013, 06:04:36 AM
Quote from: wasteland on April 04, 2013, 05:14:09 AM
Quote from: Bolsters on April 04, 2013, 05:11:36 AM
Quote from: Zydar on April 04, 2013, 04:37:17 AM
BREAKING NEWS!
We are one day closer to release day :mangini:
And one day closer to death. :| Every year is getting shorter...
One lessto... WHALAHHH!
FTFJ'93.
FTFTheWayItReallyUsedToBe
:rollin :rollin :rollin LOL I'm so happy I'm enough of a DT pro / nerd to understand this whole thing XD
When is gonna appear the preorder thing??!!
Quote from: RazielSR on April 04, 2013, 03:07:42 PM
When is gonna appear the preorder thing??!!
Patience, my friend! We have no information, and the best we can do at the moment is to wait peacefully for the moment. (https://e.deviantart.net/emoticons/moods/joy/content.gif)
Quote from: wasteland on April 04, 2013, 03:09:13 PM
Quote from: RazielSR on April 04, 2013, 03:07:42 PM
When is gonna appear the preorder thing??!!
Patience, my friend! We have no information, and the best we can do at the moment is to wait peacefully for the moment. (https://e.deviantart.net/emoticons/moods/joy/content.gif)
OMFG this bluray is gonna be absolutely EPIC. :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
Some stuff about the 360 cameras
https://www.metalhammer.co.uk/news/dream-theater-launch-360-interactive-app/
Quote from: olliemedsy on April 05, 2013, 02:06:25 AM
Some stuff about the 360 cameras
https://www.metalhammer.co.uk/news/dream-theater-launch-360-interactive-app/
That's just amazing. And finally, some concert audio! The mix sounded incredible!
Trailery stuff!!! (https://kathsfunnylittlelife.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/panic-smiley.gif)
On a technical note, I think James's voice would have benefitted from a little added reverb, which is missing in that snippet of 6:00...
Quote from: wasteland on April 05, 2013, 02:14:17 AM
Trailery stuff!!! (https://kathsfunnylittlelife.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/panic-smiley.gif)
On a technical note, I think James's voice would have benefitted from a little added reverb, which is missing in that snippet of 6:00...
True, but he still sounds amazing!
QuoteThe desktop and laptop software, said to be the first of its kind, will be available to those who purchase the deluxe edition of Live At Luna Park
So this
is a blu-ray thing, and it doesn't involve the whole concert. I AM A PROPHET.
Also:
QuoteIt's due for release next month.
Apparently no delays? Can I get a hallelujah? :metal
Ah so THAT's 360 cameras. Nice feature :tup
This reminds me I got to get a bluray-player before the release.
Quote from: wasteland on April 05, 2013, 02:14:17 AM
Trailery stuff!!! (https://kathsfunnylittlelife.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/panic-smiley.gif)
(https://kathsfunnylittlelife.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/panic-smiley.gif)
Unlike you, though, I have zero complaints about James's vocals. :biggrin: :heart
Oh, he totally does, trust me :D
About the 360° app, I know this is going to put an end to my social life. I see myself spending countless days there, wandering on the stage from camera to camera, from angle to angle :lol
Quote
QuoteThe desktop and laptop software, said to be the first of its kind, will be available to those who purchase the deluxe edition of Live At Luna Park
So this is a blu-ray thing, and it doesn't involve the whole concert. I AM A PROPHET.
It would be disappointing if they employed this great technology for just one song. Why should they have done that? ???
Quote from: wasteland on April 05, 2013, 02:19:16 AM
It would be disappointing if they employed this great technology for just one song. Why should they have done that? ???
It only mentions one song in the announcement?
Also, Metal Hammer, it's not Six O'Clock, it's 6:00... what's next, Dream Theatre? :lol
Just kidding. THANKS TO METAL HAMMER FOR THE FACTS.
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on April 05, 2013, 02:20:05 AM
Quote from: wasteland on April 05, 2013, 02:19:16 AM
It would be disappointing if they employed this great technology for just one song. Why should they have done that? ???
It only mentions one song in the announcement?
Oh :(
The mix sounded really great to me from what I could tell. Every instrument nice and clear, and it didn't seem over-compressed from what I could tell from a Youtube clip. No complaints about anyone's performance either.
Is the 360 thing only for 6:00 though? That would be a real letdown to me. I'd rather it for a better song, and preferably a longer song with more instrumental stuff worth watching each member for. :-\
Quote from: wasteland on April 05, 2013, 02:19:16 AM
About the 360° app, I know this is going to put an end to my social life. I see myself spending countless days there, wandering on the stage from camera to camera, from angle to angle :lol
What? Nah. I'd be overanalyzing Mangini's stickwork and possibly learn
Six o'clock by only watching him play.... :biggrin:
Eh? Was there a crowd there that night? Sounds a bit like just the band in a room with no-one else there ???
Quote from: philmcson on April 05, 2013, 02:43:54 AM
I'd be overanalyzing Mangini's stickwork
Oh really ::)
OMG SO EXCITE :caffeine:
I was not really thrilled by the mix to be perfectly honest but I'm going to wait until I get home so that I can listen to it properly before judging it. The shitty speakers at my workstation can't hold a candle to my pair of Canton Vento 890.2 DCs at home. :metal
Finally got to see this, looks and sounds great! :metal
I'm not floored by JLB's performance, but it sounded pretty good overall :D
I really hope that the 360 degree app will be for other songs too though.
BTW: How the heck did none of us find this before now? Mativision posted it on March 21 :lol
Quote from: Shadow2222 on April 05, 2013, 07:16:54 AM
BTW: How the heck did none of us find this before now? Mativision posted it on March 21 :lol
WHAT?! Are you kidding me?? Ugh you guys have let me down.... JK but man...
Anyway yaayyy finally concert audio!!!!!!! Even though it sounds exactly like the freaking original and I thought it was at first :lol XD
Quote from: Shadow2222 on April 05, 2013, 07:16:54 AM
BTW: How the heck did none of us find this before now? Mativision posted it on March 21 :lol
You're right! :o Maybe they kept the video private until now?
Quote from: ? on April 05, 2013, 07:23:42 AM
You're right! :o Maybe they kept the video private until now?
That better be the case.....
Now that I look at it, it says that only those who have received the link are able to watch the video. The link wasn't posted anywhere until now, so that explains everything.
"Dream Theater have revealed details of their 360 Interactive app, which will be released alongside their upcoming Live At Luna Park DVD." makes it sound like this is something else to buy, not a way to move around around in the DVD or Blu-Ray ..... hrmm
Quote from: ? on April 05, 2013, 07:30:46 AM
Now that I look at it, it says that only those who have received the link are able to watch the video. The link wasn't posted anywhere until now, so that explains everything.
Ahh ok. Well we should have been guessing at the URL. Eventually we would have found it!
Quote from: ? on April 05, 2013, 07:30:46 AM
Now that I look at it, it says that only those who have received the link are able to watch the video. The link wasn't posted anywhere until now, so that explains everything.
Ah, okay! I thought we were slacking off haha.
Quote from: Mindflux on April 05, 2013, 07:35:53 AM
"Dream Theater have revealed details of their 360 Interactive app, which will be released alongside their upcoming Live At Luna Park DVD." makes it sound like this is something else to buy, not a way to move around around in the DVD or Blu-Ray ..... hrmm
Well, I think it will only be included in the deluxe edition. ...and yeah, this is for computers, so not on the Bluray or DVD.
It may only be 6:00 due to file size since it is a download.
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on April 05, 2013, 02:20:05 AM
Quote from: wasteland on April 05, 2013, 02:19:16 AM
It would be disappointing if they employed this great technology for just one song. Why should they have done that? ???
It only mentions one song in the announcement?
Also, Metal Hammer, it's not Six O'Clock, it's 6:00... what's next, Dream Theatre? :lol
Just kidding. THANKS TO METAL HAMMER FOR THE FACTS.
even 'shots' of the interactive app have it labeled as "6:00 (Six O'clock)". So fail on the devs and dream theater for not catching it? :P
Seems like a very cool bonus, i'm sure i will spend a lot of time checking different stuff.
I didn't like the mix so much, the drums once again sound weak, and i didn't like the guitar mix as well, hopefully it's fine in the DVD.
Quote from: nikatapi on April 05, 2013, 11:30:04 AM
Seems like a very cool bonus, i'm sure i will spend a lot of time checking different stuff.
I didn't like the mix so much, the drums once again sound weak, and i didn't like the guitar mix as well, hopefully it's fine in the DVD.
Keep in mind that's a stereo mix compressed on YouTube (not as bad as it could have been, but still). I'm withholding judgment until I'm experiencing it in 5.1 uncompressed on my 98" screen. ;D
Quote from: Fiery Winds on April 05, 2013, 11:45:45 AM
Keep in mind that's a stereo mix compressed on YouTube (not as bad as it could have been, but still). I'm withholding judgment until I'm experiencing it in 5.1 uncompressed on my 98" screen. ;D
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Quote from: Meatrose on April 05, 2013, 04:20:49 AM
I was not really thrilled by the mix to be perfectly honest but I'm going to wait until I get home so that I can listen to it properly before judging it. The shitty speakers at my workstation can't hold a candle to my pair of Canton Vento 890.2 DCs at home. :metal
Okay, it's actually quite good. :angel:
Quote from: Fiery Winds on April 05, 2013, 11:45:45 AM
Keep in mind that's a stereo mix compressed on YouTube (not as bad as it could have been, but still). I'm withholding judgment until I'm experiencing it in 5.1 uncompressed on my 98" screen. ;D
:omg: :hefdaddy
Drums sound solid. Much more upfront than ADTOE. Really looking forward to hearing some of those tracks with this sound!
I guess I'll just wait till I see and hear it in 5.1 on my 120" screen (super douche)
Pics or it doesn't exist
Quote from: johncal on April 07, 2013, 03:46:09 PM
I guess I'll just wait till I see and hear it in 5.1 on my 120" screen (super douche)
A huge screen won't make judging the audio mix any easier :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA1mbZ_MMh8
Quote from: JayOctavarium on April 07, 2013, 04:05:39 PM
Pics or it doesn't exist
120" diagonal
(https://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt64/gsxr1000john/photo_zps9fbb7b73.jpg:original)
VIEWING PARTY AT JOHNCAL'S HOUSE!
Quote from: JayOctavarium on April 07, 2013, 06:18:23 PM
VIEWING PARTY AT JOHNCAL'S HOUSE!
...and 125 watts per channel.
We'll talk!
is anyone else actually having a viewing party at their house? I actually am :biggrin:
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on April 07, 2013, 07:56:03 PM
is anyone else actually having a viewing party at their house? I actually am :biggrin:
I am, a party of two though, and no fancy monitors and shit, but really good sound and that matters :angel:
Damn, I should invite the only other two people I know who remotely enjoy DT to come over. :|
Nobody I know IRL likes DT :-[
My listening parties are always parties of one (no sad face - just the way it is), but I do try to make them special. The time is set aside, I listen end-to-end while absorbing the contents of the booklet and whatever packaging goodies there are, the works, just like I did with albums back in junior high. Dream Theater is the only band I still do this for.
Quote from: ? on April 08, 2013, 09:22:36 AM
Nobody I know IRL likes DT :-[
The only other DT fan I am friends with lives a few states over and my wife actively dislikes DT...so Party of One for me as well :(
Besides Panda, I have 5 friends who enjoy Dream Theater :D
OMG NEW TRAILER INCLUDING THE PERFORMANCE OF TO LIVE FOREVER OMFG!
Nah just kidding man. Put that balloon down.
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on April 08, 2013, 09:15:32 AM
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on April 07, 2013, 07:56:03 PM
is anyone else actually having a viewing party at their house? I actually am :biggrin:
I am, a party of two though, and no fancy monitors and shit, but really good sound and that matters :angel:
Ah, your new boyfriend, right? ;)
Please say no, please say no, goddammit!!!!
Quote from: philmcson on April 08, 2013, 04:09:43 PM
Ah, your new boyfriend, right? ;)
Please say no, please say no, goddammit!!!!
Nope, the ex :D I'll never be lucky enough to find someone
who tolerates DT again, I think :rollin
Viewing party? Of course. I'll probably pick up a couple of lobsters, a couple of bottles of champagne and head over to my parents house as they are both big Dream Theater fans. All five family members are DT fans actually, we all went to see them live during the ADToE tour together. I don't expect my younger brothers to show up for this though.
I'll have a second viewing with a close friend of mine from the university, we get together once in a while to spend an entire evening just listening to prog and drinking whisky.
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on April 08, 2013, 04:12:06 PM
Quote from: philmcson on April 08, 2013, 04:09:43 PM
Ah, your new boyfriend, right? ;)
Please say no, please say no, goddammit!!!!
Nope, the ex :D I'll never be lucky enough to find someone who tolerates DT again, I think :rollin
You know.... If you move to Canada... :)
Seeing as all my friends suck, I am willing to road trip up to 200 miles for a viewing party.
Quote from: Chino on April 08, 2013, 05:33:04 PM
Seeing as all my friends suck, I am willing to road trip up to 200 miles for a viewing party.
If your friends are all girls that could be one hell of a viewing party.... personally, I'd skip the road trip ;D
Quote from: johncal on April 08, 2013, 06:10:18 PM
Quote from: Chino on April 08, 2013, 05:33:04 PM
Seeing as all my friends suck, I am willing to road trip up to 200 miles for a viewing party.
If your friends are all girls that could be one hell of a viewing party.... personally, I'd skip the road trip ;D
:rollin :rollin :rollin :lol
Quote from: JayOctavarium on April 07, 2013, 04:05:39 PM
Pics or it doesn't exist
98" Screen I built from scratch (I'm on the second floor, and the roof is slanted)
(https://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d179/Fiery_Winds/Screen1.jpg)
In Action (Picture doesn't do it justice)
(https://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d179/Fiery_Winds/Screen2.jpg)
Quote from: iamtheeviltwin on April 08, 2013, 09:58:48 AM
Quote from: ? on April 08, 2013, 09:22:36 AM
Nobody I know IRL likes DT :-[
The only other DT fan I am friends with lives a few states over and my wife actively dislikes DT...so Party of One for me as well :(
I'm quite positive that will hold up nicely in court. :biggrin:
Quote from: YtseCullen on April 08, 2013, 05:21:27 PM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on April 08, 2013, 04:12:06 PM
Quote from: philmcson on April 08, 2013, 04:09:43 PM
Ah, your new boyfriend, right? ;)
Please say no, please say no, goddammit!!!!
Nope, the ex :D I'll never be lucky enough to find someone who tolerates DT again, I think :rollin
You know.... If you move to Canada... :)
:lol thanks.
One of the two declined the invitation: "As much as I like them, I couldn't stand a 2h30 concert." :emo:
Quote from: wasteland on April 09, 2013, 04:41:17 AM
One of the two declined the invitation: "As much as I like them, I couldn't stand a 2h30 concert." :emo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZvHxlBOPIg&t=5
Quote from: Scorpion on April 09, 2013, 04:44:08 AM
Quote from: wasteland on April 09, 2013, 04:41:17 AM
One of the two declined the invitation: "As much as I like them, I couldn't stand a 2h30 concert." :emo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZvHxlBOPIg&t=5
I love Barney :D Why didn't they invent mind uploading yet? Imagine the greatness of a DTF release party...
Quote from: Meatrose on April 08, 2013, 04:45:55 PM
Viewing party? Of course. I'll probably pick up a couple of lobsters, a couple of bottles of champagne and head over to my parents house as they are both big Dream Theater fans. All five family members are DT fans actually, we all went to see them live during the ADToE tour together. I don't expect my younger brothers to show up for this though.
I'll have a second viewing with a close friend of mine from the university, we get together once in a while to spend an entire evening just listening to prog and drinking whisky.
Very nice! I went with all four in my family plus two friends for my mom's birthday to one of the adtoe shows too! It was fantastic!!!!! That was my first concert ever being in the pit and I was standing second row. I actually reached way the hell up at one point and just barely got to touch JLB's mic stand (I have an obsession with that mic stand btw) for a split second when he was leaning down a little. So anyway my parents will be at my viewing party (I'm just that awesome) and some other friends.
Quote from: wasteland on April 09, 2013, 04:41:17 AM
One of the two declined the invitation: "As much as I like them, I couldn't stand a 2h30 concert." :emo:
Lol I made an event on Facebook and invited a ton of people (including cute girls who only know DT because I blab and post about them all freaking day long) and I'm describing the show as just over 3 hours long, plus everyone is welcome to stay longer to watch the special features afterwards. I said "please join myself and other friends as we observe and admire this spectacular performance on my TV and sound system probably rather loudly...." and for the extras - "it is your choice to stay for as long as you wish if you think you are tenacious enough to handle the majesty of such a spectacle."
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on April 09, 2013, 07:40:50 AM
Lol I made an event on Facebook and invited a ton of people (including cute girls who only know DT because I blab and post about them all freaking day long) and I'm describing the show as just over 3 hours long, plus everyone is welcome to stay longer to watch the special features afterwards. I said "please join myself and other friends as we observe and admire this spectacular performance on my TV and sound system probably rather loudly...." and for the extras - "it is your choice to stay for as long as you wish if you think you are tenacious enough to handle the majesty of such a spectacle."
How many accepted so far? :D
Hahaha like 8 including my parents and brother, but we don't even have a release date. Once we do I'm gonna send out a message and more people may reply.
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on April 09, 2013, 07:40:50 AM
Very nice! I went with all four in my family plus two friends for my mom's birthday to one of the adtoe shows too! It was fantastic!!!!! That was my first concert ever being in the pit and I was standing second row. I actually reached way the hell up at one point and just barely got to touch JLB's mic stand (I have an obsession with that mic stand btw) for a split second when he was leaning down a little. So anyway my parents will be at my viewing party (I'm just that awesome) and some other friends.
That's awesome! When me and my family went I also had 3 friends with me and my mother's sister and her husband tagged along as well. The only one there who was not a Dream Theater fan left as a Dream Theater fan (and is now a rather serious one). As it turned out I didn't spend the concert with my friends and family though. I purchased the VIP package for myself and went to the meet and greet before the concert and when we were allowed to walk up to the stage and take place before the arena opened up for everyone else I simply couldn't force myself to give up my spot as it wasn't physically possible to get any closer to the stage from where I was standing (first row and somewhere between stage right and center stage). I apologized to my friends and my family after the concert but they were quite understanding. ;)
nice!
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on April 09, 2013, 08:15:25 AM
Hahaha like 8 including my parents and brother, but we don't even have a release date. Once we do I'm gonna send out a message and more people may reply.
8? That's nice, you're going to have a great night it seems. But yeah, I really hope we'll get a release date soon.
Quote from: Meatrose on April 09, 2013, 08:37:01 AM
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on April 09, 2013, 08:15:25 AM
Hahaha like 8 including my parents and brother, but we don't even have a release date. Once we do I'm gonna send out a message and more people may reply.
8? That's nice, you're going to have a great night it seems. But yeah, I really hope we'll get a release date soon.
Yea should be fun. Basically it'll just be having a party with the friends I normally hang out with for the most part. Can't wait!
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on April 09, 2013, 01:34:16 AM
Quote from: YtseCullen on April 08, 2013, 05:21:27 PM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on April 08, 2013, 04:12:06 PM
Quote from: philmcson on April 08, 2013, 04:09:43 PM
Ah, your new boyfriend, right? ;)
Please say no, please say no, goddammit!!!!
Nope, the ex :D I'll never be lucky enough to find someone who tolerates DT again, I think :rollin
You know.... If you move to Canada... :)
:lol thanks.
You live in Europe, how hard is it to find a DT fan? :lol
Europe is not prog heaven, we're still minority :lol
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on April 09, 2013, 12:58:38 PM
Europe is not prog heaven, we're still minority :lol
I was told at one point that DT is practically a household name in Europe. ???
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on April 09, 2013, 12:58:38 PM
Europe is not prog heaven, we're still minority :lol
Wut.
Prog began here.
Quote from: GasparXR on April 09, 2013, 01:08:46 PM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on April 09, 2013, 12:58:38 PM
Europe is not prog heaven, we're still minority :lol
I was told at one point that DT is practically a household name in Europe. ???
Well almost everyone knows them, but hardly anyone likes them, and those who do are more about respecting musical skills and not actually digging their music.
DT certainly aren't a household name in the UK. Still a somewhat underground (but sizeable) following.
They're big in Japan, I think that's in Europe somewhere...
:biggrin:
They are big enough in Italy that I found another pair of guys on the plane from my island to Milano that were boarding to see the DT gig. :D
It would be fun to get the whole Dream Theater Forums community together over Skype and watch the concert when it comes out. I don't know how we'd synchronize everything, but it would be cool.
Well, at least the some of us around the same ballpark when it comes to time zones, but I bet the DVD will be a few days up to a week late to Serbia, it always is. So it would suck to make someone wait longer or whatever.
Quote from: Cedar redaC on April 09, 2013, 01:56:36 PM
It would be fun to get the whole Dream Theater Forums community together over Skype and watch the concert when it comes out. I don't know how we'd synchronize everything, but it would be cool.
Well since the timezones are exact hours apart we could all press the play button when the second hand on your computer reaches a certain time. or just say "one two three GO!" and if there is lag time, hope it remains consistently off throughout the call. Actually that would be really cool if DT did live commentary over the internet by skyping or live streaming themselves watching the entire show.
Yes, I'm pretty sure DT don't know what happened at that show so they'll be watching the DVD for sure! :P
Guys, as much as we'd like DT posting videos of themselves talking about the DVD or doing that commentary, answering more Twitter Q&A's, making docu's about song creation and recording, they are uhm MAKING AN ALBUM NOW :lol I don't think they have much time to fuck around.
I want a 24/7 live stream of each of the members.
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on April 09, 2013, 02:25:36 PM
Guys, as much as we'd like DT posting videos of themselves talking about the DVD or doing that commentary, answering more Twitter Q&A's, making docu's about song creation and recording, they are uhm MAKING AN ALBUM NOW :lol I don't think they have much time to fuck around.
THANK YOU! :hefdaddy Hopefully the other members of the board are able to handle the truth :lol
Quote from: JayOctavarium on April 09, 2013, 02:27:23 PM
I want a 24/7 live stream of each of the members.
JayOctavarium is watching you poop.
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on April 09, 2013, 02:25:36 PM
Guys, as much as we'd like DT posting videos of themselves talking about the DVD or doing that commentary, answering more Twitter Q&A's, making docu's about song creation and recording, they are uhm MAKING AN ALBUM NOW :lol I don't think they have much time to fuck around.
Which brings us to the question: "Why is Jordan in Frankfurt?" :D
I will probably have a listening party for the DVD as well.
Quote from: wasteland on April 09, 2013, 02:39:54 PM
Which brings us to the question: "Why is Jordan in Frankfurt?" :D
If I remember correctly, he was helping out at a music festival of some kind.
Quote from: wasteland on April 09, 2013, 02:39:54 PMWhich brings us to the question: "Why is Jordan in Frankfurt?" :D
Or, maybe DT is trying something completely "new", by having each member recording their own parts at 5 different locations around the world! :lol
Quote from: wasteland on April 09, 2013, 04:41:17 AM
One of the two declined the invitation: "As much as I like them, I couldn't stand a 2h30 concert." :emo:
P :censored y! I could easily do it, but it would be a miracle if I could watch two songs without being interrupted by someone or some animal (cats).
Quote from: dparrott on April 09, 2013, 08:37:41 PM
Quote from: wasteland on April 09, 2013, 04:41:17 AM
One of the two declined the invitation: "As much as I like them, I couldn't stand a 2h30 concert." :emo:
P :censored y! I could easily do it, but it would be a miracle if I could watch two songs without being interrupted by someone or some animal (cats).
How are cats interrupting? They are so lovely and discreet. :D
Quote from: Azyiu on April 09, 2013, 08:04:08 PM
Quote from: wasteland on April 09, 2013, 02:39:54 PMWhich brings us to the question: "Why is Jordan in Frankfurt?" :D
Or, maybe DT is trying something completely "new", by having each member recording their own parts at 5 different locations around the world! :lol
Ah! So that's what they had in mind in 2001 when they were originally going to write a world music album instead of SDOIT!
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on April 09, 2013, 02:25:36 PM
Guys, as much as we'd like DT posting videos of themselves talking about the DVD or doing that commentary, answering more Twitter Q&A's, making docu's about song creation and recording, they are uhm MAKING AN ALBUM NOW :lol I don't think they have much time to fuck around.
This. I'd rather have them use their precious time making the album so that it will come sooner ;D
You know what, I´almost at the point I´m not giving a shit about this anymore.
Is this still being released in May 2013?
We don't have an actual release date yet but it still seems as if it's going to be released next month. They really should make an announcement about this. I think it's safe to assume that it's not going to be "early May" at least...
Amazon Japan mentioned May 15 as the release date before all the info about the release got taken down. I think May is still pretty likely, but it might be at the end of the month.
I really dont get the fuzz about why we are not getting any update so far, guys take some :chill :chill and wait, i REALLY prefer have them on the productions process for the new stuff. Period.
Our cats are almost like children. They fight, they cry (howl) for unknown reasons, they get into things they shouldn't, it's a miracle when they are all sleeping at the same time. Doesn't make for very pleasant viewing conditions.
Well it´s been a fact for 25 years now that good things arrive in early may
And I can't wait to take it back to my home.
https://www.cdinzane.com/product.php?productid=12256&cat=10
Avaliability May 13th. Not sure if real, album art looks suspect (looks SC themed, doesn't match Amazon Japan artwork). Still, it's something.
Quote from: JoeG on April 12, 2013, 06:29:38 AM
https://www.cdinzane.com/product.php?productid=12256&cat=10
Avaliability May 13th. Not sure if real, album art looks suspect (looks SC themed, doesn't match Amazon Japan artwork). Still, it's something.
The 13th for an actual release date seems plausible but "Luna Pt.1: Take the Chaos" :facepalm:
Quote from: Another_Won on April 12, 2013, 06:33:56 AM
Quote from: JoeG on April 12, 2013, 06:29:38 AM
https://www.cdinzane.com/product.php?productid=12256&cat=10
Avaliability May 13th. Not sure if real, album art looks suspect (looks SC themed, doesn't match Amazon Japan artwork). Still, it's something.
The 13th for an actual release date seems plausible but "Luna Pt.1: Take the Chaos" :facepalm:
:rollin
Quote from: Another_Won on April 12, 2013, 06:33:56 AM
Quote from: JoeG on April 12, 2013, 06:29:38 AM
https://www.cdinzane.com/product.php?productid=12256&cat=10
Avaliability May 13th. Not sure if real, album art looks suspect (looks SC themed, doesn't match Amazon Japan artwork). Still, it's something.
The 13th for an actual release date seems plausible but "Luna Pt.1: Take the Chaos" :facepalm:
It's not even using the legit font. It's definitely just a fan made cover. And the one on Amazon is the legit cover.
Is that the cover for the bootleg of when they played in Luna Park in 2008?
Since the text at the bottom says 03/03/08, I would guess yes. (Didn't even notice that :facepalm:)
I'm sew smrat :biggrin: :tup
S M R T !!!
At this rate the album will be out before the DVD.
I hope the release date itself is real, since it would then be released on my half birthday!
Gotta love how people over-analyse fonts but don't see the date that is written with the font :lol
Quote from: me7 on April 12, 2013, 10:20:56 AM
Gotta love how people over-analyse fonts but don't see the date that is written with the font :lol
I almost feel like sig-ing that. Maybe I will.
Quote from: me7 on April 12, 2013, 10:20:56 AM
Gotta love how people over-analyse fonts but don't see the date that is written with the font :lol
I think he was talking about the font of "Dream Theater", not the font that had the dates in it.
Quote from: Freko on April 11, 2013, 02:20:13 PM
Well it´s been a fact for 25 years now that good things arrive in early may
Almost 50 years ago, the best thing of ALL arrived to a Canadian family in early May. :biggrin: :heart
Quote from: DebraKadabra on April 13, 2013, 03:08:29 AM
Quote from: Freko on April 11, 2013, 02:20:13 PM
Well it´s been a fact for 25 years now that good things arrive in early may
Almost 50 years ago, the best thing of ALL arrived to a Canadian family in early May. :biggrin: :heart
James is the first dance, eternal.
:iagree:
:lol
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(https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_mavg5vIoZS1qbqjqvo4_250.gif)
... yup.
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v317/bizarredevotedfan/Randomness/bigsmile.gif)
Quote from: DebraKadabra on April 13, 2013, 03:08:29 AM
Quote from: Freko on April 11, 2013, 02:20:13 PM
Well it´s been a fact for 25 years now that good things arrive in early may
Almost 22 years ago, the best thing of ALL arrived to an Italian family in early May. :biggrin: :heart
Oh, that's the sweetest thing, Debbie :heart :neverusethis:
:3
:heart
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on April 13, 2013, 04:42:04 AM
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(https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_mavg5vIoZS1qbqjqvo4_250.gif)
... yup.
Looking forward to all the gifs from the DVD. :biggrin:
That will take a couple of months, as did the LiT DVD... I've planned on having lots from all DVDs but I gave up :D however, now I know LiT frame by frame.
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on April 14, 2013, 04:04:48 AM
That will take a couple of months, as did the LiT DVD... I've planned on having lots from all DVDs but I gave up :D however, now I know LiT frame by frame.
.....NERD!!!!!!!!!
:heart
Quote from: Meatrose on April 09, 2013, 08:37:01 AM
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on April 09, 2013, 08:15:25 AM
Hahaha like 8 including my parents and brother, but we don't even have a release date. Once we do I'm gonna send out a message and more people may reply.
8? That's nice, you're going to have a great night it seems. But yeah, I really hope we'll get a release date soon.
NUGGETZ!
:biggrin:
So the release date won't be in May? :'(
Apparently not :-\
Well! Keep in mind this is just fan hearsay. Second-hand source, so I wouldn't count it out just yet.
But keep in mind, also, that it fits what we already know, and thedrumanimal doesn't really have any reason to lie. If the DVD were to be released at the very tail end of May, we'd be expecting news... well, now! Six weeks is about right for the promo period. So, yes, it seems very likely.
Funnily, the gap from the gig to the DVD is now longer than the gap from the drummer auditions to the drummer doc - and to think how much we complained about that! More complicated end product, I suppose, so, again, unsurprising. Shame, but it'll be done when it's done.
Τhis is probably a matter of scheduling, it seems DT want to keep a stream of info coming from them, in order to keep the interest up until the new album release.
You can see it with the question videos they've been posting, they could do all the questions with one video, instead they keep releasing bits and pieces.
I guess the new album will come probably October-November, so they want to keep being relevant with releasing the live album during the summer, and following with the new album release.
Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XGzFINoSic
All songs from both nights will be included.
Quote from: wolfking on April 22, 2013, 02:48:21 PM
Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XGzFINoSic
All songs from both nights will be included.
He also said, but 1 version of each so that sounds to me like there will be no doubles, just the best of the 2. They obviously wouldn't have multiple versions of each.
Yeah, probably the best version of the 2 will be represented. As long as we're getting These Walls and 6:00, I'm happy.
Quote from: wolfking on April 22, 2013, 03:30:39 PM
Yeah, probably the best version of the 2 will be represented. As long as we're getting These Walls and 6:00, I'm happy.
As long as we get Bridges in the Sky, 6:00, The Dark Eternal Night, This is the Life, The Root of All Evil, Lost Not Forgotten, a Mike Mangini Drum Solo, A Fortune in Lies, The Silent Man, Beneath the Surface, a Jordan Rudess Keyboard Solo, Outcry, Surrounded, On the Backs of Angels, War Inside My Head, The Test That Stumped Them All, a John Petrucci Guitar Solo, The Spirit Carries On, Breaking All Illusions, Metropolis Pt. 1, These Walls, Build Me Up, Break Me Down, Caught in a Web, Wait for Sleep, Far From Heaven, and Pull Me Under, I'll be happy. :millahhhh
Quote from: GasparXR on April 22, 2013, 03:35:05 PM
As long as we get Bridges in the Sky, 6:00, The Dark Eternal Night, This is the Life, The Root of All Evil, Lost Not Forgotten, a Mike Mangini Drum Solo, A Fortune in Lies, The Silent Man, Beneath the Surface, a Jordan Rudess Keyboard Solo, Outcry, Surrounded, On the Backs of Angels, War Inside My Head, The Test That Stumped Them All, a John Petrucci Guitar Solo, The Spirit Carries On, Breaking All Illusions, Metropolis Pt. 1, These Walls, Build Me Up, Break Me Down, Caught in a Web, Wait for Sleep, Far From Heaven, and Pull Me Under, I'll be happy. :millahhhh
You, sir, might just be in luck. hahaha
I'm so happy that Mangini answered my question today ;D Especially because, well, it's Mangini :hefdaddy
That was a question that came to mind from the very first moment, since I went to their show in Costa Rica and I saw setlists from other nights and realized it wasn't the same. So when I knew about the DVD and that it would be two shows I thought they would be different setlists on both nights, just as it happened, but it wasn't clear if they were going to make the DVD feature all songs from both nights.
And, yeah, that makes another DTF member's question answered :biggrin:
It should be awesome but I think the DVD will have grown a beard by the time we see it.
Well, I'm not really worried. It has to be released before the new album arrives so it's not like we won't get to purchase the crap out of it.
Actually I'm starting to think that we will see the new album before the DVD. I just hope to God they dont just tack the DVD onto the album, would be a tremendous cop-out.
No way! The DVD has to be part of the build-up for the new album!
Quote from: Jinx on April 23, 2013, 12:30:04 AM
Actually I'm starting to think that we will see the new album before the DVD. I just hope to God they dont just tack the DVD onto the album, would be a tremendous cop-out.
I think that would be incredible value for money, but I don't think DT would give away income like that.
from Over The Edge Productions Facebook:
"Filming in the studio with Dream Theater today."
what could they be filming at this point? unless it isn't related to the dvd...
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/377274_502313596493940_735415767_n.jpg)
Documenting the recording of the album?
Live studio performances for the special edition?
No idea. Studio just got interesting, though.
Quote from: wolfking on April 23, 2013, 05:07:57 PM
Quote from: Jinx on April 23, 2013, 12:30:04 AM
Actually I'm starting to think that we will see the new album before the DVD. I just hope to God they dont just tack the DVD onto the album, would be a tremendous cop-out.
I think that would be incredible value for money, but I don't think DT would give away income like that.
If they did a Bluray/CD combo for like $40, they'd sell a ton.
Quote from: robwebster on April 24, 2013, 04:57:58 PM
Live studio performances for the special edition?
No idea. Studio just got interesting, though.
I'd f---ing love it if they did a live in the studio play-through of the whole new album.. :metal
HA! We're talking about this in two threads because it could potentially fit in either one at this point.
Here's my comment from the other thread before I saw this one:
"What if we got some behind the scenes stuff from the making of the new album on the Luna Park DVD? That would be different, huh? This behind the scenes stuff BEFORE the album actually comes out."
I thought they were nearly finished with the recordings, so if they started to do a making-of documentary now it wouldn't really make sense to me
Quote from: Kotowboy on April 24, 2013, 06:31:53 PM
Quote from: robwebster on April 24, 2013, 04:57:58 PM
Live studio performances for the special edition?
No idea. Studio just got interesting, though.
I'd f---ing love it if they did a live in the studio play-through of the whole new album.. :metal
Yeah, I've been dreaming of one of those for years.
Quote from: aprilethereal on April 24, 2013, 10:07:33 PM
I thought they were nearly finished with the recordings, so if they started to do a making-of documentary now it wouldn't really make sense to me
True but we don't really no, they may have very well been there from the start or it's just a sneak peak for the DVD not a behind the scenes.
Quote from: Another_Won on April 24, 2013, 06:51:16 PM
HA! We're talking about this in two threads because it could potentially fit in either one at this point.
Here's my comment from the other thread before I saw this one:
"What if we got some behind the scenes stuff from the making of the new album on the Luna Park DVD? That would be different, huh? This behind the scenes stuff BEFORE the album actually comes out."
That would be cool, but since the album is on Roadrunner, and the Luna Park release is on Eagle Rock, I don't see that happening.
Ah, yeah, I didn't consider this! Thanks to Over The Wey for the facts!
:lolpalm:
Quote from: aprilethereal on April 24, 2013, 10:07:33 PM
I thought they were nearly finished with the recordings, so if they started to do a making-of documentary now it wouldn't really make sense to me
That's kind of what I thought - there's a chance they might've been there all along and we just haven't heard about it, but from the way it's put, it sounds like they were in there for the one day.
Could be an interview - "take us through all the songs," etc., something small but pleasant. Who's about that day? Was anyone off gallivanting? I know JP and JR have been getting around - DT finally came to indonesia pls, but they're laying down keys, now, so they must be back from that?
In studio performance of the entire album would be incredible.
Quote from: Weymolith on April 25, 2013, 03:46:22 AM
Quote from: Another_Won on April 24, 2013, 06:51:16 PM
HA! We're talking about this in two threads because it could potentially fit in either one at this point.
Here's my comment from the other thread before I saw this one:
"What if we got some behind the scenes stuff from the making of the new album on the Luna Park DVD? That would be different, huh? This behind the scenes stuff BEFORE the album actually comes out."
That would be cool, but since the album is on Roadrunner, and the Luna Park release is on Eagle Rock, I don't see that happening.
duh! Nothing like reality to ruin a perfectly good idea :lol
Quote from: wolfking on April 25, 2013, 04:20:55 AM
In studio performance of the entire album would be incredible.
I've wanted this since Metallica did it with St Anger.
And Oceansize with Frames.
Quote from: Dream Team on April 25, 2013, 05:57:28 AM
Quote from: wolfking on April 25, 2013, 04:20:55 AM
In studio performance of the entire album would be incredible.
I've wanted this since Metallica did it with St Anger.
I've never actually heard about this "in studio performance of entire album" thing before. What other bands have done this?
Quote from: Zydar on April 25, 2013, 05:59:23 AM
Quote from: Dream Team on April 25, 2013, 05:57:28 AM
Quote from: wolfking on April 25, 2013, 04:20:55 AM
In studio performance of the entire album would be incredible.
I've wanted this since Metallica did it with St Anger.
I've never actually heard about this "in studio performance of entire album" thing before. What other bands have done this?
Wintersun, last year, and it came as a bonus DVD to the album. They left out an interlude or two, and the album itself is a shortie (I think it's not over 45 minutes) but they did it.
I don't expect it to be done here though.
Foo Fighters did a similar thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnmzins2Uow
I was expecting there to be some extra on the limited edition, so a bonus DVD with a making-of doc and/or a "live in the studio" thing is quite likely.
Here's a link for Oceansize: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uUrWoDJBVc
I'm especially fond of Metallica's St. Anger studio performance. It sounds a lot better than the overproduced CD version IMO. The songwriting is still below par, but at least the band sounds natural.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa_c1ZzyqgU
Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 25, 2013, 06:05:13 AM
Foo Fighters did a similar thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnmzins2Uow
My God. I love this album, gotta check this out. Thanks :tup
Yeah, I love live studio takes. Certain bands should be doing that, anyway. I'm not trying to sound like a snob or anything but I really think live studio takes have a lot more character than recordings which have been sterilized and recorded piece by piece. Especially bands like DT, who don't really bother with doing a lot of stuff which couldn't be done in a live take anyway.
Quote from: Zydar on April 25, 2013, 06:24:56 AM
Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 25, 2013, 06:05:13 AM
Foo Fighters did a similar thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnmzins2Uow
My God. I love this album, gotta check this out. Thanks :tup
I used youTube downloader to get that in 1080p . It's virtually DVD quality and yes it's a GREAT performance ! ;D
Quote from: me7 on April 25, 2013, 06:20:36 AM
I'm especially fond of Metallica's St. Anger studio performance. It sounds a lot better than the overproduced CD version IMO. The songwriting is still below par, but at least the band sounds natural.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa_c1ZzyqgU
Yes, that one's great.
Quote from: Onno on April 25, 2013, 08:47:58 AM
Quote from: me7 on April 25, 2013, 06:20:36 AM
I'm especially fond of Metallica's St. Anger studio performance. It sounds a lot better than the overproduced CD version IMO. The songwriting is still below par, but at least the band sounds natural.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa_c1ZzyqgU
Yes, that one's great.
10x better than the record.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on April 25, 2013, 06:27:55 AM
Yeah, I love live studio takes. Certain bands should be doing that, anyway. I'm not trying to sound like a snob or anything but I really think live studio takes have a lot more character than recordings which have been sterilized and recorded piece by piece. Especially bands like DT, who don't really bother with doing a lot of stuff which couldn't be done in a live take anyway.
Overture would like to speak with you.
Overture should never have been recorded either live or in the studio :D
Quote from: Perpetual Change on April 25, 2013, 09:53:20 AM
Overture should never have been recorded either live or in the studio :D
Take it to the
blasphemous controversial
failure opinion thread, chum........................p!
O RLY?
In my car, landing on "Overture" via shuffle and not skipping it would be the "controversial" thing to do :)
Besides, I had no idea "Overture" was particularly well-regarded. As far as I know, most people either don't like it or are just have no strong feelings about it one way or the other.
I think it's their best instrumental, and it kicks off DT's masterpiece perfectly.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on April 25, 2013, 09:53:20 AM
Overture should never have been recorded either live or in the studio :D
Oh yes. It's not that great to start a song with six minutes of a cheesy artificial orchestra. DT has already done an Overture the right way, so why did they have to totally ruin a great song's beginning like this?
The main theme at the beginning of Overture is neat, but then it just kind of goes on and on, meandering about, and never really being that interesting. I might very well like 6DOIT a lot more as a single piece of music if the Overture had been much better. The fact that it is so obviously a keyboard trying to channel orchestra sounds and whatnot does not help its cause (since it is carrying the song).
Quote from: aprilethereal on April 25, 2013, 11:53:04 AM
Quote from: Perpetual Change on April 25, 2013, 09:53:20 AM
Overture should never have been recorded either live or in the studio :D
Oh yes. It's not that great to start a song with six minutes of a cheesy artificial orchestra. DT has already done an Overture the right way, so why did they have to totally ruin a great song's beginning like this?
Compared to the SDOIT Overture, Overture 1928 feels like a half-assed approach (as great a job as it does kicking off SFAM).
Aside from the synth orchestra (which I don't mind at all anyway), the SDOIT Overture is such a musical achievement for DT. It really showcases how much of an asset JR is to the band for orchestrating music (among many other examples, of course), and it remains so melodic throughout without resorting to chops (as can be said for the rest of the song).
But anyway, this is getting off topic for this thread. Perhaps to the controversial opinion thread, since the failure of your opinion is heresy. :biggrin:
Quote from: aprilethereal on April 25, 2013, 11:53:04 AM
Quote from: Perpetual Change on April 25, 2013, 09:53:20 AM
Overture should never have been recorded either live or in the studio :D
Oh yes. It's not that great to start a song with six minutes of a cheesy artificial orchestra. DT has already done an Overture the right way, so why did they have to totally ruin a great song's beginning like this?
Quote from: KevShmev on April 25, 2013, 11:55:35 AM
The main theme at the beginning of Overture is neat, but then it just kind of goes on and on, meandering about, and never really being that interesting. I might very well like 6DOIT a lot more as a single piece of music if the Overture had been much better. The fact that it is so obviously a keyboard trying to channel orchestra sounds and whatnot does not help its cause (since it is carrying the song).
Yup, exactly! Especially the bit about the way the orchestra sounds. So artificial. And not in that cool 80's obviously artifical way, but in the "trying too hard to sound real and failing" way.
It's slightly better sounding on Score, but it still suffers from being too long and meandering.
Anyway, circling back to the actual topic...
For me, DT are just one of those bands that usually sound better when they go for the stripped-down "live" feel. Very few of their songs benefit from extra tinkering under special studio circumstances. Here, I'm thinking not just of SDOIT, but also stuff like all the extra strings sections in the Octavarium album. So, yeah, I full support a "Live in the Studio" type album mix.
Man, I visit this thread every day hoping there is something about the dvd. man, fuck this dvd!!!@$#!@$#%@#%$@#%@#$#$#! FUCK over the edge productions, the only over the edge I like is james Labrie's!~!!#@#!@#!@#!@#
sorry
I agree with you.
Some updates would be good. Although I know it will be worth it once it's done.
I agree.. The DVD is propably cancelled.
Quote from: Kotowboy on April 26, 2013, 04:35:06 AM
I agree with you.
Some updates would be good. Although I know it will be worth it once it's done.
Slowly losing interest. :tdwn
DT haven't been able to build up momentum, they've only broken it down with this lack of updates... ::)
Quote from: ? on April 26, 2013, 05:46:42 AM
DT haven't been able to build up momentum, they've only broken it down with this lack of updates... ::)
Looks like I'll have to wait a while longer to have this release in my..... INVENTORY!
Quote from: adastra on April 26, 2013, 04:40:29 AM
I agree.. The DVD is propably cancelled.
There is no indication of this. Actually, less than a week ago the band published a piece of the Q&A video series where Mike Mangini confirmed that every song performed will be featured on the upcoming DVD.
Quote from: Zydar on April 26, 2013, 05:49:13 AM
Quote from: ? on April 26, 2013, 05:46:42 AM
DT haven't been able to build up momentum, they've only broken it down with this lack of updates... ::)
Looks like I'll have to wait a while longer to have this release in my..... INVENTORY!
Let me guess: when you finally receive it, it will be in your... ANALYSIS!
Also,
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/rumborak/mp_inventory.jpg)
Yeah, the excitement is dead.
But that doesn't matter. As soon as a date is set and another trailer (with audio) is released, people will get pumped again.
Indeed! Once the seed of fandom is planted, and it is, it takes so little to restore the excitement anew!
Quote from: a51502112 on April 26, 2013, 05:44:13 AM
Slowly losing interest. :tdwn
Slowly? That´s putting it MILDLY... :yeahright
The Hell?
Did you miss the update by JP? He explained what's goin on pretty clearly!
Quote from: Basically JP speaking through Wasteland!The DVD took a bit more than many, including the band itself, anticipated, but that's due to the amount of stuff in there. He enumerated: the size of the audio, the amount of music present in the recording, the video, the blu ray, the 360° technology, the packaging. He said that in the end we will all understand why it took so long and will likely judge it worth the wait. He stated that he honestly thinks it's their best to date, and that much will be completely different than anything we have seen in the past from them including (I think) the modalities of release.
If that dosen't make you giggle like a girl then your doing it wrong!
Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 28, 2013, 02:40:53 AM
Quote from: Basically JP speaking through Wasteland!
THIS made me giggle like a girl :D
;D
Quote from: wasteland on April 26, 2013, 06:10:50 AM
Indeed! Once the seed of fandom is planted, and it is, it takes so little to restore the excitement anew!
Well said. :heart
ROFL @ JP speaking through Marco - you sure Adam02 isn't involved there too? :lol
I love how you didn't consider the only possible solution :eyebrows:
I AM ADAM02222222...
Well, I suppose I missed that, yeah..... :metal
That JP statement doesn't really help. He could have given just a little piece of information...
Quote from: wasteland on April 29, 2013, 01:06:45 AM
I love how you didn't consider the only possible solution :eyebrows:
I AM ADAM02222222...
:rollin
Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 28, 2013, 02:40:53 AM
The Hell?
Did you miss the update by JP? He explained what's goin on pretty clearly!
Quote from: Basically JP speaking through Wasteland!The DVD took a bit more than many, including the band itself, anticipated, but that's due to the amount of stuff in there. He enumerated: the size of the audio, the amount of music present in the recording, the video, the blu ray, the 360° technology, the packaging. He said that in the end we will all understand why it took so long and will likely judge it worth the wait. He stated that he honestly thinks it's their best to date, and that much will be completely different than anything we have seen in the past from them including (I think) the modalities of release.
If that dosen't make you giggle like a girl then your doing it wrong!
That doesn't tell us anything.
Oh come on guys, it's JP, what did you expect. In the past few years, he's rarely been the one to come out with details. I am happy he spoke out and said they also expected it to be out a little sooner, meaning that neither them nor OTE are keeping us in the dark for no good reason.
Mora The Wise has spoken, I for one shall listen! :hefdaddy
As everybody should.
(https://i322.photobucket.com/albums/nn431/Moriel_Alcaril/reaction/tumblr_mibevjLSls1qdelmgo3_250_zps78bbaf5c.gif)
You guys.
Finnish CDON (https://cdon.fi/musiikki/dream_theater/live_at_luna_park-23589786 (https://cdon.fi/musiikki/dream_theater/live_at_luna_park-23589786)) claims that release date is 29.07.2013.
Playgroundmusic suggests: 07.06.2013 (7th of june) (https://www.playgroundmusic.fi/julkaisut/ (https://www.playgroundmusic.fi/julkaisut/))
A lot of dates to choose from :)
QuoteDream Theater Live At Luna Park Eagle Vision 2xDVD 2013-06-07
Dream Theater Live At Luna Park Eagle Vision Blu-ray 2013-06-07
Dream Theater Live At Luna Park (2DVD + BR + 3CD) Eagle Vision 5xDVD+CD 2013-06-07
This sounds abit legit, based on absolutly nothing but it's sooner than the other date atleast. :biggrin:
Interesting. The sooner the better :D
Quote from: nemonius on April 30, 2013, 06:05:54 AM
Finnish CDON (https://cdon.fi/musiikki/dream_theater/live_at_luna_park-23589786 (https://cdon.fi/musiikki/dream_theater/live_at_luna_park-23589786)) claims that release date is 29.07.2013.
Playgroundmusic suggests: 07.06.2013 (7th of june) (https://www.playgroundmusic.fi/julkaisut/ (https://www.playgroundmusic.fi/julkaisut/))
A lot of dates to choose from :)
Welcome and thanks for sharing those links! :) Nice to have another Finn on board (assuming you're one) :D
Quote from: ? on April 30, 2013, 07:38:27 AM
Quote from: nemonius on April 30, 2013, 06:05:54 AM
Finnish CDON (https://cdon.fi/musiikki/dream_theater/live_at_luna_park-23589786 (https://cdon.fi/musiikki/dream_theater/live_at_luna_park-23589786)) claims that release date is 29.07.2013.
Playgroundmusic suggests: 07.06.2013 (7th of june) (https://www.playgroundmusic.fi/julkaisut/ (https://www.playgroundmusic.fi/julkaisut/))
A lot of dates to choose from :)
Welcome and thanks for sharing those links! :) Nice to have another Finn on board (assuming you're one) :D
Thanks, and yes I'm from Finland :) Been following this forum for a quite a while, was just browsing through net for a hint of a release date. Time will tell if they are even near the truth..
I really hope to God they make a BR + CD edition. Not keen on buying a 5 disc set. Why would I need DVDs if I'm buying the BR?
https://www.emp-online.es/dream-theater-live-at-luna-park-2-dvd/art_260414/
I didn't read through the last few pages so sorry it this has been posted. Cover art for the DVD.
26.07.2013
So far, three dates with no overlapping (although two are pretty close).
Quote from: faizoff on May 01, 2013, 08:40:20 AM
I really hope to God they make a BR + CD edition. Not keen on buying a 5 disc set. Why would I need DVDs if I'm buying the BR?
Most BRs come with the DVD anyway these days and they cost almost nothing to include. Also, I'm sure a lot of people who have a BR player only have it in their home unit and not in their car/pc/laptop/etc so having a DVD version makes a lot of sense.
It'll still be quite a while before BR players are as common as DVD and I also think by that point physical media will be on its last legs anyway.
Quote from: PetFish on May 01, 2013, 04:23:11 PM
Most BRs come with the DVD anyway these days and they cost almost nothing to include.
They cost almost nothing to include but will cost an arm and a leg to those who are buying it.
I got a feeling if this is released end of July then the new album will prob come A LOT later than September.
but it sounds like itll be more like early june...i think thats a decent spread between products
Quote from: OsMosis2259 on May 01, 2013, 04:57:30 PM
I got a feeling if this is released end of July then the new album will prob come A LOT later than September.
They repeatedly stated that if nothing goes wrong the album will come out by late summer.
Which may render LALP confusing to n00bs - why aren't the new songs on the the live set?
IMO, they're shooting themselves in the feet if they release the new album first.
At this point there is just no way it will happen. They made very clear that the DVD is well and finished and is being prepared for release, while there is still some work to do on the new album. It wouldn't make any sense.
Quote from: faizoff on May 01, 2013, 04:53:07 PM
Quote from: PetFish on May 01, 2013, 04:23:11 PM
Most BRs come with the DVD anyway these days and they cost almost nothing to include.
They cost almost nothing to include but will cost an arm and a leg to those who are buying it.
That has not been my experience. BR + DVD sets don't typically cost much more than BR - only.
LALP looking like early June but late May isn't completely out of the question
DT12 August at the earliest
What's so confusing here? ;)
Quote from: wasteland on May 01, 2013, 11:09:25 PM
At this point there is just no way it will happen. They made very clear that the DVD is well and finished and is being prepared for release, while there is still some work to do on the new album. It wouldn't make any sense.
Yeah, I know. But, you do have to admit that there is a possibility that that sitch COULD occur.
It's however not an option I would call likely nor, basing on our current pool of information, reasonable.
Who ever said I, THE Debbie, was reasonable? :omg: :laugh:
The store I buy most of my records from has also stated that it's probably going to be released July 29. I'm hoping they're wrong. :)
What, the new album or LALP?
^Most likely the latter, considering it's ready to be released. Also,
Quote from: nemonius on April 30, 2013, 06:05:54 AM
Finnish CDON (https://cdon.fi/musiikki/dream_theater/live_at_luna_park-23589786 (https://cdon.fi/musiikki/dream_theater/live_at_luna_park-23589786)) claims that release date is 29.07.2013.
I won't truly believe it until it's officially announced by the band/OTE/etc., though.
Quote from: DebraKadabra on May 03, 2013, 02:07:03 AM
What, the new album or LALP?
LALP. I don't have a problem with waiting a little longer for the release but if I got to pick a date I'd of course go with the date in June that has also been suggested.
Quote from: Meatrose on May 03, 2013, 02:17:00 AM
Quote from: DebraKadabra on May 03, 2013, 02:07:03 AM
What, the new album or LALP?
LALP. I don't have a problem with waiting a little longer for the release but if I got to pick a date I'd of course go with the date in June that has also been suggested.
I bet everyone would prefer a June release date... It's depressive to think that if the original release date from the Amazon Japan site had been kept, we would get the DVD 2 weeks from now :sadpanda:
Sorry for being a little dense, but what date in June has been offered up so far?
Quote from: ? on May 03, 2013, 02:19:25 AMIt's depressive to think that if the original release date from the Amazon Japan site had been kept, we would get the DVD 2 weeks from now :sadpanda:
Oh, I know. :'(
Quote from: DebraKadabra on May 03, 2013, 02:19:45 AM
Sorry for being a little dense, but what date in June has been offered up so far?
https://www.playgroundmusic.fi/julkaisut/
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Dream Theater Live At Luna Park Eagle Vision 2xDVD 2013-06-07
Dream Theater Live At Luna Park Eagle Vision Blu-ray 2013-06-07
Dream Theater Live At Luna Park (2DVD + BR + 3CD) Eagle Vision 5xDVD+CD 2013-06-07
Oh, okay - did not know that. :)
Damn I really hope its not gonna be late July, that would really stink. Also, it's been almost two weeks since the interview, COME ON ALREADY. I kinda wish they would have at least given us a definite month by now since May is obviously not happening.
So, another italian site listed 26/07 for release date. Looks like the evidence is piling up. :-[
But at least now WE KNOW. :)
Quote from: wasteland on May 05, 2013, 10:19:16 AM
So, another italian site listed 26/07 for release date. Looks like the evidence is piling up. :-[
Couldn't they very easily just be copying another website who says that? Like an inaccurate release date gone viral? Kinda like how the whole Rebecca Black thing worked..
Anyway, where would these websites be getting this information from in the first place? DT hasn't announced anything- Do bands generally let stores in on a release date days or weeks before they tell the public?
Release date is long overdue, either way. Really long overdue.
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 05, 2013, 10:39:43 AM
Release date is long overdue, either way. Really long overdue.
yes! thank you. Now let's all be pissed off together :heart
(disclaimer for Sheldon Cooper's- it's supposed to be kinda funny, not serious)
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on May 05, 2013, 10:24:59 AM
Quote from: wasteland on May 05, 2013, 10:19:16 AM
So, another italian site listed 26/07 for release date. Looks like the evidence is piling up. :-[
Couldn't they very easily just be copying another website who says that? Like an inaccurate release date gone viral? Kinda like how the whole Rebecca Black thing worked..
Anyway, where would these websites be getting this information from in the first place? DT hasn't announced anything- Do bands generally let stores in on a release date days or weeks before they tell the public?
Actually, yes. Record labels and Film companies publish upcoming release schedules for retailers. These dates aren't set in stone, and are subject to change, but they do let retailers know what releases are coming up and approximately when.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=507931275932172&set=a.138049612920342.22405.135021603223143&type=1 HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAPHOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP
:omg: I need this.
The end to our wait is near.....
What a shot! :caffeine:
Split screens? Y'know I have kept thinking about this, mainly due to Mangini. Even if theres a guitar solo, MM does all these neat little things and I was like "Well I want to see both!". And I will go out and say that I reckon that shot is from Outcry
It's not a split screen, JP's just near the kit facing MM.
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on May 08, 2013, 06:57:54 PM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=507931275932172&set=a.138049612920342.22405.135021603223143&type=1 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=507931275932172&set=a.138049612920342.22405.135021603223143&type=1) HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAPHOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP
HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!
(https://beanblog.com/images/holycarp.jpg)
:rollin
:hat
awesome shot.
Fuck Over the Edge. They give us shitty updates which tell us nothing, with no info on release date. It's early May now and fucking nothing. Now, the fuckers post this photo being fucking smartasses and dangling a god damn carrot in front of our fucking noses and still give us jack shit!! :censored And yet, they will still win, cause when they release this shit, we'll gladly empty our pockets and make them happy, wealthy people for doing such a shit job.
R%^&*#%@&*^&^$&*^@$&*&*(@$^&*@&*#@%&
Sorry. :sadpanda:
Hey, let's try to be nice with them. They already had their fair share of tough breaks and interaction with non-nice DT fans. :)
Yeah, it's only their fault that we thought, according to the updates, that we'd have the thing by now; it's not their fault that they can't tell us anything now. That's up to DT.
The Smile of Dawn seems like can't arrive in early May :-[
Quote from: novenpeter on May 09, 2013, 04:38:58 AM
The Smile of Dawn seems like can't arrive in early May :-[
Yeah :'(
Quote from: wasteland on May 09, 2013, 03:34:11 AM
They already had their fair share of tough breaks
:biggrin:
So does that mean the BRs are in production now?
Also, the guy could definitely get a larger sized TV. There sure is a lot of extra space for it.
I'm tired of all the teasing and "mystery" surrounding this release. I know that in the past we had problems with LSFNY and LAB, but at least for one we had a date and a reason for the delay and for the other, replacement discs were provided. I am happy with where DT is nowadays and don't blame the band for anything regarding this "fiasco", but I feel like it's the first time we haven't been informed like we have been (spoiled?) used to. Still, I'll buy whatever deluxe-special edition-director's cut version is released.
As for OTE, I'm tired of their teasing too, but will forever be grateful for the facts... :yeahright
I mean, release is long overdue I think we all agree, but why do people make such a big deal out of it? Why do people get angry? It's a music DVD that's going to be in our homes sooner or later, there's plenty of amazing new music out there to listen while we wait for the DT DVD to come out, and definitely I don't think that either DT or OTE deserve the hate they're getting. DT has spoiled us by released things quickly & often, there are music DVD or albums that take years before being released (Tool lol), we shouldn't be making such of a big deal.
That being said, it wouldn't hurt anyone that DT puts out a press release (I always think of MP when I say press release olo) telling the fans that there was a delay, and that the release date was going to be pushed further for a bit.
Yeah the fact is the trailer (and description) said release date was May so its a bit shitty when we're in May and not even an update as to where it is/what the situation is...
obviously everyone who worked on this DVD did a good enough job that we're all still buying it. That reduces every possible complaint you guys have to add up to 49% of their total job at the very very very most. If it's more than 49%, then it would be selfless of you to buy it.
Now a little off topic extra-
And anyone who tells you to try to be selfless is leading you like a lamb to slaughter because it's an impossible attempt that only benefits a tyrant... And only benefits him for 15 minutes.
In other words, if you don't like the product enough to buy it, Dream Theater would be offended if you bought it out of pity- they don't need those kinds of fans, and they are not gonna change to make them happy anyway. They only care for those who understand- which seems to be all of us.
This is not really going to affect them sales-wise. We are a minority, the bitchy internet minority who writes on a forum that talks about the band 24/7. The other 90% of their fanbase are just like any other music fans, waiting patiently until some news are released or something.
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 09, 2013, 08:06:19 AM
This is not really going to affect them sales-wise. We are a minority, the bitchy internet minority who writes on a forum that talks about the band 24/7. The other 90% of their fanbase are just like any other music fans, waiting patiently until some news are released or something.
Well, the majority of this forum are pretty patient too. It's just a few people in this thread who won't stop bitching :D
Quote from: Perpetual Change on May 09, 2013, 09:09:59 AM
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 09, 2013, 08:06:19 AM
This is not really going to affect them sales-wise. We are a minority, the bitchy internet minority who writes on a forum that talks about the band 24/7. The other 90% of their fanbase are just like any other music fans, waiting patiently until some news are released or something.
Well, the majority of this forum are pretty patient too. It's just a few people in this thread who won't stop bitching :D
:tup
if you think I'm one of the bitchers, I would argue that you are wrong. I hate the fact that we still don't have a release date, and on a dedicated DREAM THEATER website I may complain about that to a worthy degree, but overall I think Dream Theater is quite a good band :lol ... but seriously it really just doesn't affect my life that bad that we still don't have one, and DT and OTE are doing a perfectly good job with the greatest DVD ever.
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on May 09, 2013, 09:50:28 AM
if you think I'm one of the bitchers, I would argue that you are wrong. I hate the fact that we still don't have a release date, and on a dedicated DREAM THEATER website I may complain about that to a worthy degree, but overall I think Dream Theater is quite a good band :lol ... but seriously it really just doesn't affect my life that bad that we still don't have one, and DT and OTE are doing a perfectly good job with the greatest DVD ever.
No matter how long it takes, the resulting release will be mindblowing, so I'm happy to wait. :tup
:corn is all i'm doing until release date then its more :corn
Quote from: GasparXR on May 09, 2013, 10:14:16 AM
No matter how long it takes, the resulting release will be mindblowing, so I'm happy to wait. :tup
If we don't get colorful video effects ala LSFNY I'll be one unhappy camper.
Quote from: black_floyd on May 09, 2013, 09:21:35 PM
Quote from: GasparXR on May 09, 2013, 10:14:16 AM
No matter how long it takes, the resulting release will be mindblowing, so I'm happy to wait. :tup
If we don't get colorful video effects ala LSFNY I'll be one unhappy camper.
Make that two of us.
One or two mushrooms and will get them either way.
Quote from: wasteland on May 09, 2013, 10:25:33 PM
One or two mushrooms and will get them either way.
A blot of some good lsd should do the trick.
Quote from: Ben_Jamin on May 09, 2013, 10:44:14 PM
Quote from: wasteland on May 09, 2013, 10:25:33 PM
One or two mushrooms and will get them either way.
A blot of some good lsd should do the trick.
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/metropolis2000.jpg)
(https://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/37581402.jpg)
Quote from: Ben_Jamin on May 09, 2013, 10:44:14 PM
Quote from: wasteland on May 09, 2013, 10:25:33 PM
One or two mushrooms and will get them either way.
A blot of some good lsd should do the trick.
:1967:
:lol @ Blob's post :tup
Think about it this way: The later it comes out, the less time you'll have between DT releases!
Also, as a fan, I'd rather the release be a little slow than rushed. Remember how it only took Score months to come out, but how they totally forgot to include backing vocals in Metropolis? LALP is at least twice as ambitious as Score, so if they need to take it slow, take it slow. And it's better to not announce a release date than do so and then have to change it.
Quote from: TheOutlawXanadu on May 10, 2013, 02:55:06 AM
Think about it this way: The later it comes out, the less time you'll have between DT releases!
Also, as a fan, I'd rather the release be a little slow than rushed. Remember how it only took Score months to come out, but how they totally forgot to include backing vocals in Metropolis? LALP is at least twice as ambitious as Score, so if they need to take it slow, take it slow. And it's better to not announce a release date than do so and then have to change it.
Erm they did announce a release date. It was May 2013:
Live At Luna Park, a live concert captured on 2DVD, Blu-ray, Digital Video, 2DVD/3CD, Blu-ray/3CD, and a deluxe edition (2DVD/Blu-ray/3CD), will drop in May 2013.They just havent bothered to acknowledge it :-\
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_7076_1364592449.jpeg)
Yeah. Hopefully the band will roll the release day tomorrow. Live another day... :'(
Climb a little higher :smiley:
Find another reason to stay :smiley:
We (the fans) are not going anywhere. :)
Of course not! :azn:
EVERYONE SURVIVED ! :metal
Quote from: wasteland on May 11, 2013, 12:57:06 AM
We (the fans) are not going anywhere. :)
We have the heart and the will and the courage to stay :azn:
Unironical quoting of the RTK lyrics by me? Probably both the first and the last time...
Quote from: Kotowboy on May 11, 2013, 06:04:18 AM
EVERYONE SURVIVED ! :metal
ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRORORORORORORORORO
Just take the time!
Find all your need in your hind, if you tape the thyme.
:lol
Holy crap! CDON.se (the biggest online music store in Sweden) is now saying that the preliminary release date for Live at Luna Park is November 4th 2013. I sure hope that they're wrong.
Wonder if that might be the release date for the studio album. Either way I've given up any hope of actual news, I'll just not have any expectations of May like originally told and just get it whenever it comes.
Quote from: Meatrose on May 14, 2013, 06:50:01 AM
Holy crap! CDON.se (the biggest online music store in Sweden) is now saying that the preliminary release date for Live at Luna Park is November 4th 2013. I sure hope that they're wrong.
Nope. They are not the only one. There's a record label forum that I frequent a lot and the owner said the same thing. That he is hearing for a Nov. release.
I guess when OTE said May....
They meant....it *MAY* be out soon.
Then again it may not.
Quote from: goo-goo on May 14, 2013, 06:59:07 AM
Quote from: Meatrose on May 14, 2013, 06:50:01 AM
Holy crap! CDON.se (the biggest online music store in Sweden) is now saying that the preliminary release date for Live at Luna Park is November 4th 2013. I sure hope that they're wrong.
Nope. They are not the only one. There's a record label forum that I frequent a lot and the owner said the same thing. That he is hearing for a Nov. release.
:'(
At this point, we have to understand whatever is happening. People at OTE post pictures of themselves enjoying a copy of the DVD in their living room, which means that the DVD is at an extremely advanced state, probably even completed. We got told on April 23rd by JP that he was then confident that an announcement would have come within a couple of weeks. Then we read on random websites unconfirmed release dates stating first June and then July. Three weeks pass and now we seem to have educated (?) rumors that the release date might still be half a year away from now. What the hell? :-[
There's just no way! The thing is already DONE- why the hell would they wait SIX (degrmatichaosonachristmasmorning) FREAKING MONTHS!? I don't think so.. Maybe they got it confused with the new album, but that doesn't sound likely either..
There's no reason to wait that long. The DVD is ready, i can't see it coming out that late.
It seems they've finished creating the Bluray disc, so I can't imagine it would take 6 months at this point to release it. I don't even think the album will take that long to be released.
Yeah it feels as if it's too long of a postponement to be true but then again, these concerts were recorded in August of 2012 - even a May 2013 release date comes off as really late to me but this is probably the first time I've been looking forward to a live release this much and followed the development this closely so perhaps it's standard procedure. Even so, the fact that they released an official trailer that said that it would be released in May 2013 and that now, half-way through May, there has not been one official word on what's going on makes you wonder what indeed is going on behind the scenes. Postponing the release from May to like July makes some sense from a sales point of view since that might help create a higher demand for the new album that is supposedly going to be released "at the end of summer". But November...
It's not that I can't patiently wait for the release, I'm not in a hurry to see it as the experience will be just as lovely in November as it would have been now but the lack of official announcements is quite strange in my opinion.
On a completely unrelated note... awesome newsflash is awesome. (https://i.imgur.com/e4uXJVL.png)
Quote from: wasteland on May 14, 2013, 07:08:45 AM
Quote from: goo-goo on May 14, 2013, 06:59:07 AM
Quote from: Meatrose on May 14, 2013, 06:50:01 AM
Holy crap! CDON.se (the biggest online music store in Sweden) is now saying that the preliminary release date for Live at Luna Park is November 4th 2013. I sure hope that they're wrong.
Nope. They are not the only one. There's a record label forum that I frequent a lot and the owner said the same thing. That he is hearing for a Nov. release.
:'(
At this point, we have to understand whatever is happening. People at OTE post pictures of themselves enjoying a copy of the DVD in their living room, which means that the DVD is at an extremely advanced state, probably even completed. We got told on April 23rd by JP that he was then confident that an announcement would have come within a couple of weeks. Then we read on random websites unconfirmed release dates stating first June and then July. Three weeks pass and now we seem to have educated (?) rumors that the release date might still be half a year away from now. What the hell? :-[
Hmm... yeah, that's a really good point.
What if the band aren't being held-up by the production, but some kind of external (legal?) issues?
I'm thinking about something external too.
Could MPs absence possibly account for the perceived delay in release? SCORE and CIM were out pretty quick.
If this turns out to be true, I will be extremely disappointed. Its laughable when you think there was brief talk on whether they would have it out for holiday season past year...
We are coming close to Wintersun territory timing wise :lol
Quote from: Ytsejammin on May 14, 2013, 09:32:14 AM
Could MPs absence possibly account for the perceived delay in release? SCORE and CIM were out pretty quick.
I don't think so.
From a production standpoint, Score was just the latest DVD DT put out in a decade that had already seen three of 'em. They probably had it down to a science, whereas this BluRay with 360 degree angles and all is new territory for DT. They've never released something of this magnitutde before.
CIM was out pretty quick because they barely worked on it at all, which is why barely anyone ever bother watching it.
Quote from: Jinx on May 14, 2013, 09:38:19 AM
If this turns out to be true, I will be extremely disappointed. Its laughable when you think there was brief talk on whether they would have it out for holiday season past year...
They must've been talking about THIS holiday season.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on May 14, 2013, 09:00:28 AM
Hmm... yeah, that's a really good point.
What if the band aren't being held-up by the production, but some kind of external (legal?) issues?
From a purely logical standpoint an external cause to the delay would be the one to make the most sense. Of course reality is one and we have no knowledge of it yet, so it could really be just anything. But at this point I think the odds are that it's not a production issue.
Whatever it is, let's hope the band figures out how to get out of it soon (I am assuming that they still have to, otherwise why waiting to put out a statement or a release date? They are not stupid nor blind, they would have told us immiediately if whatever problem had been resolved at some point in the past days).
Quote from: Perpetual Change on May 14, 2013, 09:44:49 AM
Quote from: Ytsejammin on May 14, 2013, 09:32:14 AM
Could MPs absence possibly account for the perceived delay in release? SCORE and CIM were out pretty quick.
I don't think so.
From a production standpoint, Score was just the latest DVD DT put out in a decade that had already seen three of 'em. They probably had it down to a science, whereas this BluRay with 360 degree angles and all is new territory for DT. They've never released something of this magnitutde before.
CIM was out pretty quick because they barely worked on it at all, which is why barely anyone ever bother watching it.
This is the only situation I can legitimately consider when I'm thinking about this situation. There is so much new material for them on this DVD. I bet we will see a quicker turn around on the next DVD because it will also be on blu-ray and should have some special features. There is a first time for everything and they want to make sure they get it right the first time.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on May 14, 2013, 09:44:49 AM
Quote from: Ytsejammin on May 14, 2013, 09:32:14 AM
Could MPs absence possibly account for the perceived delay in release? SCORE and CIM were out pretty quick.
I don't think so.
From a production standpoint, Score was just the latest DVD DT put out in a decade that had already seen three of 'em. They probably had it down to a science, whereas this BluRay with 360 degree angles and all is new territory for DT. They've never released something of this magnitutde before.
CIM was out pretty quick because they barely worked on it at all, which is why barely anyone ever bother watching it.
Also, they weren't writing and recording a new album almost simultaneously.
Quote from: aprilethereal on May 14, 2013, 09:42:13 AM
We are coming close to Wintersun territory timing wise :lol
As long as we don't get to Tool levels we're safe :P
Quote from: Nekov on May 14, 2013, 10:09:27 AM
Quote from: aprilethereal on May 14, 2013, 09:42:13 AM
We are coming close to Wintersun territory timing wise :lol
As long as we don't get to Tool levels we're safe :P
The last Tool album came out in May 2006. SInce then DT have put out three studio albums with a new one this year making four.
Nooooo, not another delay! :'( I hope this won't affect the release schedule of the studio album, since they probably want to get the DVD out first. Besides, if the OTE crew have their copies already, why would the release date be delayed so much?
Just reminding you guys that this is all speculation. We don't know that there is any actual delay until the band says so. The tentative release date is this month, but we've never actually had an official release date set.
Yeah, I'm not expecting it to be true (yet) and I hope I will be right :-\
I don't want to bitch but really we need ANY info we can get. An official "we don't know what the fuck is going on either"-statement from the band would be an awful lot better than silence. Whenever we have it, it's gonna be amazing, but we should have had it already, it's done, there's just no reason to wait, unless the reason is external, and I wish they would tell us why is this so.
Quote from: Kotowboy on May 14, 2013, 10:12:06 AM
Quote from: Nekov on May 14, 2013, 10:09:27 AM
Quote from: aprilethereal on May 14, 2013, 09:42:13 AM
We are coming close to Wintersun territory timing wise :lol
As long as we don't get to Tool levels we're safe :P
The last Tool album came out in May 2006. SInce then DT have put out three studio albums with a new one this year making four.
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Quote from: MoraWintersoul on May 14, 2013, 10:32:36 AM
I don't want to bitch but really we need ANY info we can get. An official "we don't know what the fuck is going on either"-statement from the band would be an awful lot better than silence. Whenever we have it, it's gonna be amazing, but we should have had it already, it's done, there's just no reason to wait, unless the reason is external, and I wish they would tell us why is this so.
Their was no official announcement by the band ever. Only OTE said stuff and it looks like they shouldnt have.
I do enjoy the funnies that were a consequence of their action.
Quote from: Nekov on May 14, 2013, 10:09:27 AM
Quote from: aprilethereal on May 14, 2013, 09:42:13 AM
We are coming close to Wintersun territory timing wise :lol
As long as we don't get to Tool levels we're safe :P
Right? :lol
Sorry for the OT, but Wintersun levels wouldn't be any better :lol Their debut came out in 2004 and the first half of the second album wasn't released until last year and the second half will be out later.
Quote from: ? on May 14, 2013, 11:15:16 AM
Sorry for the OT, but Wintersun levels wouldn't be any better :lol Their debut came out in 2004 and the first half of the second album wasn't released until last year and the second half will be out later.
Seriously? I was convinced that they had already released three album, not just two!
Quote from: Nekov on May 14, 2013, 10:40:16 AM
Quote from: Kotowboy on May 14, 2013, 10:12:06 AM
Quote from: Nekov on May 14, 2013, 10:09:27 AM
Quote from: aprilethereal on May 14, 2013, 09:42:13 AM
We are coming close to Wintersun territory timing wise :lol
As long as we don't get to Tool levels we're safe :P
The last Tool album came out in May 2006. SInce then DT have put out three studio albums with a new one this year making four.
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcShw_nkvF2UukpN7pXnglOZxKEwKTJFM8k_vVoz_girGxRB1ME3)
10,000 Days (2006)Systematic Chaos (2007)
Black Clouds & Silver Linings (2009)
A Dramatic Turn of Events (2011)
DT 12 (2013)
Quote from: wasteland on May 14, 2013, 11:16:41 AM
Quote from: ? on May 14, 2013, 11:15:16 AM
Sorry for the OT, but Wintersun levels wouldn't be any better :lol Their debut came out in 2004 and the first half of the second album wasn't released until last year and the second half will be out later.
Seriously? I was convinced that they had already released three album, not just two!
Wintersun released one and a half :D
You guys might not realize this, but the Styx album from 2003 (the only full studio album of new music without Dennis DeYoung) is arguably even better than their 1970s stuff.
Dream Theater has come out with 5 (will be 6) albums since then plus all the live albums and bootlegs, and Styx has come out with like 3 songs (that clearly Tommy Shaw just kinda threw together), two live albums, two EPs of re-recordings, and a cover album. This really really really sucks if you like Styx as much as I do (which btw is almost impossible).
Quote from: Ytsejammin on May 14, 2013, 09:32:14 AM
Could MPs absence possibly account for the perceived delay in release? SCORE and CIM were out pretty quick.
Survey says: Unlikely
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on May 14, 2013, 11:34:31 AM
You guys might not realize this, but the Styx album from 2003 (the only full studio album of new music without Dennis DeYoung) is arguably even better than their 1970s stuff.
Dream Theater has come out with 5 (will be 6) albums since then plus all the live albums and bootlegs, and Styx has come out with like 3 songs (that clearly Tommy Shaw just kinda threw together), two live albums, two EPs of re-recordings, and a cover album. This really really really sucks if you like Styx as much as I do (which btw is almost impossible).
Not to stray off topic but the Blu Ray of Grand Illusion/Pieces of Eight live is freaking amazing... :metal
I know everyone (myself included) is getting impatient, but try to hold on. I don't know anything and haven't asked, but if I am told anything that I am allowed to share, I'll share it with you all the moment I know.
Quote from: bosk1 on May 14, 2013, 12:24:30 PM
I know everyone (myself included) is getting impatient, but try to hold on. I don't know anything and haven't asked, but if I am told anything that I am allowed to share, I'll share it with you all the moment I know.
:tup
The only thing that kind of worries me is that I hope the new studio album doesn't get delayed till next year.
This is... far from confirmed. There's more evidence for June than for November.
But if it has been delayed to November, I imagine it'd be for boring, marketing reasons, rather than production reasons. Intention might be to delay it to keep it away from the album to make sure they're not releasing everything at once, not treading on each other's toes. Better for chart positions, better for hype, better for everything. Worse for fans, but mixed blessing - might mean we're closer to an album than we think. The CD and the DVD certainly seem to be signing off at similar times. Once you include the promo period, there might not be time to release them both this summer.
Again, though, it's very plausibly just a hollow grumble.
Quote from: goo-goo on May 14, 2013, 12:57:09 PM
Quote from: bosk1 on May 14, 2013, 12:24:30 PM
I know everyone (myself included) is getting impatient, but try to hold on. I don't know anything and haven't asked, but if I am told anything that I am allowed to share, I'll share it with you all the moment I know.
:tup
The only thing that kind of worries me is that I hope the new studio album doesn't get delayed till next year.
I don't see
that happening.. Not since they've finished all the tracking bar vocals. If James finishes vocals in May. That leaves Mixing and mastering for June and the album will be done, done, DONE !
I'd say about three months for promo etc and we're looking at a mid to late September release.
This is just an estimate though based on absolutely nothing.
Quote from: Kotowboy on May 14, 2013, 01:07:29 PM
Quote from: goo-goo on May 14, 2013, 12:57:09 PM
Quote from: bosk1 on May 14, 2013, 12:24:30 PM
I know everyone (myself included) is getting impatient, but try to hold on. I don't know anything and haven't asked, but if I am told anything that I am allowed to share, I'll share it with you all the moment I know.
:tup
The only thing that kind of worries me is that I hope the new studio album doesn't get delayed till next year.
I don't see that happening.. Not since they've finished all the tracking bar vocals. If James finishes vocals in May. That leaves Mixing and mastering for June and the album will be done, done, DONE !
I'd say about three months for promo etc and we're looking at a mid to late September release.
This is just an estimate though based on absolutely nothing.
Yeah that's what I also estimated, a Sept release. I would expect the live dvd first and then the new studio album. Unless they pull out a "Porcupine Tree" like with the Anesthetize DVD which was released later after they released The Incident. I think that's what is going to happen.
Quote from: ? on May 14, 2013, 11:15:16 AM
Sorry for the OT, but Wintersun levels wouldn't be any better :lol Their debut came out in 2004 and the first half of the second album wasn't released until last year and the second half will be out later.
...next year. When Time I came out, Time II was announced to come out 2013, now it seems to be early 2014 and I bet my ass and balls that it will be at least mid 2014, if not even later.
Come on Jari, I love your music, but FUCK your time schedule. But I'm still lucky compared to the guys who had to wait for Time I since I only became a fan last year :D
Quote from: Orion1967 on May 14, 2013, 12:18:10 PM
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on May 14, 2013, 11:34:31 AM
You guys might not realize this, but the Styx album from 2003 (the only full studio album of new music without Dennis DeYoung) is arguably even better than their 1970s stuff.
Dream Theater has come out with 5 (will be 6) albums since then plus all the live albums and bootlegs, and Styx has come out with like 3 songs (that clearly Tommy Shaw just kinda threw together), two live albums, two EPs of re-recordings, and a cover album. This really really really sucks if you like Styx as much as I do (which btw is almost impossible).
Not to stray off topic but the Blu Ray of Grand Illusion/Pieces of Eight live is freaking amazing... :metal
YES! another awesome person on this forum!!! I saw the exact show live in Las Vegas last year (my 13th Styx concert btw) and of course it was awesome!! :omg: It is the most incredible thing how they manage those harmonies, and I know just how difficult those high harmonies are, being in a Styx tribute band. It's still a dream of mine for Styx and Dream Theater to tour together one day. One day.. Styx could sure learn a lot from them when it comes to mixing up the setlist and playing new songs live!
oh and BTW that DVD took a year and 2 months to come out. And almost no mention or updates for it during the in-between time. And they act like such an "oldies" band- it came out January last year and they still call it their brand new DVD :facepalm:
And after all that, I think Live at Luna Park just might very well knock GIPO8 into second place for live DVDs.
Quote from: bosk1 on May 14, 2013, 12:24:30 PM
I know everyone (myself included) is getting impatient, but try to hold on. I don't know anything and haven't asked, but if I am told anything that I am allowed to share, I'll share it with you all the moment I know soon.
Yeah, thanks Bosk! ;D
I had a really crap day at work today, made even worse by the thought of a November release date. I know its purely speculation, but God damn its frustrating. First I was looking forward to it in May (my bday on the 25th) then the June/July tentative dates were found and I could live with that.
But this is worrying. The fact that even 5 months down the line from the OTE teasers, and still no-one, not the band, the management, or another source has explained just whats up. The trailer said May. When they knew it wouldnt be this month someone should have said something. Fill in the people who are gonna be buying the product! :'(
A November release date would be insane. The trailer has been out how long now? Four months? That would be entering Rockstar games territory.
Maybe they're working with Axl Rose.
I'm sorry but more dates pop up:
ginza.se (https://www.ginza.se/product/dream-theater/live-at-luna-park/221223/) Release date 2013-11-04
cdon.se (https://cdon.se/musik/dream_theater/live_at_luna_park-23589786) Release date 2013-11-04
bengan.se (https://www.bengans.se/Product.aspx?skivkod=740989§ion=music) Release date 2013-11-04
Megastore.se (https://www.megastore.se/cgi-bin/ibutik/AIR_ibutik.fcgi?funk=visa_artikel&artgrp=&artnr=2532884&visa=1-100&Sort=Populara&Visn=Sokresultat) Release date 2013-11-04
Of course they could all just copy and paste eachother and we also have:
swedenrock-online.se (https://www.swedenrock-online.se/dream-theater-live-at-luna-park-2-dvd/art_260414/) Relase date 2013-07-26
So yea.....just more confusing i guess.
Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 14, 2013, 05:07:06 PM
Of course they could all just copy and paste eachother and we also have:
That's what I think is happening. Not because of my knowledge of how this info gets out, but because it looked like that with the other dates that were suggested, and because a Nov release date just seems pretty implausible considering all the stuff I
do know.
Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 14, 2013, 05:07:06 PM
I'm sorry but more dates pop up:
ginza.se (https://www.ginza.se/product/dream-theater/live-at-luna-park/221223/) Release date 2013-11-04
cdon.se (https://cdon.se/musik/dream_theater/live_at_luna_park-23589786) Release date 2013-11-04
bengan.se (https://www.bengans.se/Product.aspx?skivkod=740989§ion=music) Release date 2013-11-04
Megastore.se (https://www.megastore.se/cgi-bin/ibutik/AIR_ibutik.fcgi?funk=visa_artikel&artgrp=&artnr=2532884&visa=1-100&Sort=Populara&Visn=Sokresultat) Release date 2013-11-04
Of course they could all just copy and paste eachother and we also have:
swedenrock-online.se (https://www.swedenrock-online.se/dream-theater-live-at-luna-park-2-dvd/art_260414/) Relase date 2013-07-26
So yea.....just more confusing i guess.
You're reading the date format wrong. That actually means the 11th April 2013. It's already out, guys! We were so busy complaining about the release date that we MISSED it! Thanks to Over the Edge for the facts.
do we seriously need sarcasm green for that? hah
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on May 14, 2013, 11:34:31 AM
You guys might not realize this, but the Styx album from 2003 (the only full studio album of new music without Dennis DeYoung) is arguably even better than their 1970s stuff.
Dream Theater has come out with 5 (will be 6) albums since then plus all the live albums and bootlegs, and Styx has come out with like 3 songs (that clearly Tommy Shaw just kinda threw together), two live albums, two EPs of re-recordings, and a cover album. This really really really sucks if you like Styx as much as I do (which btw is almost impossible).
I wouldn't go that far, but Cyclorama is still very good, mostly because of the first nine tracks (minus tracks 3 and 8) and One with Everything. Everything else is forgettable, but those eight tracks are all very worthy. Pieces of Eight, The Grand Illusion, Equinox and Crystal Ball are all still better, though. :)
Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 14, 2013, 05:07:06 PM
I'm sorry but more dates pop up:
ginza.se (https://www.ginza.se/product/dream-theater/live-at-luna-park/221223/) Release date 2013-11-04
cdon.se (https://cdon.se/musik/dream_theater/live_at_luna_park-23589786) Release date 2013-11-04
bengan.se (https://www.bengans.se/Product.aspx?skivkod=740989§ion=music) Release date 2013-11-04
Megastore.se (https://www.megastore.se/cgi-bin/ibutik/AIR_ibutik.fcgi?funk=visa_artikel&artgrp=&artnr=2532884&visa=1-100&Sort=Populara&Visn=Sokresultat) Release date 2013-11-04
Of course they could all just copy and paste eachother and we also have:
swedenrock-online.se (https://www.swedenrock-online.se/dream-theater-live-at-luna-park-2-dvd/art_260414/) Relase date 2013-07-26
So yea.....just more confusing i guess.
Just in case anyone didn't notice, those are all SWEDISH websites. Not unheard of to have vastly different release dates in different countries. Now if it was amazon.com's date, then I'd be concerned.
EMP mailorder (where i've done my preorder) still say 26.07.2013
Quote from: goo-goo on May 14, 2013, 01:12:57 PM
Unless they pull out a "Porcupine Tree" like with the Anesthetize DVD which was released later after they released The Incident.
...or if they pull a Katatonia - they filmed one of their 20th anniversary shows in May 2011 and the DVD still hasn't been released, although they put a new album out last year. This is the only time I hope other bands won't follow in Katatonia's footsteps at something! :lol
Quote from: KevShmev on May 14, 2013, 09:56:23 PM
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on May 14, 2013, 11:34:31 AM
You guys might not realize this, but the Styx album from 2003 (the only full studio album of new music without Dennis DeYoung) is arguably even better than their 1970s stuff.
Dream Theater has come out with 5 (will be 6) albums since then plus all the live albums and bootlegs, and Styx has come out with like 3 songs (that clearly Tommy Shaw just kinda threw together), two live albums, two EPs of re-recordings, and a cover album. This really really really sucks if you like Styx as much as I do (which btw is almost impossible).
I wouldn't go that far, but Cyclorama is still very good, mostly because of the first nine tracks (minus tracks 3 and 8) and One with Everything. Everything else is forgettable, but those eight tracks are all very worthy. Pieces of Eight, The Grand Illusion, Equinox and Crystal Ball are all still better, though.
Totally agree with you, Kev. Of course... 6 knows I'm a DDY fangirl, so that does have a lot to do with it.
As to the topic at hand...
NONE of the dates mentioned so far have been officially confirmed.
Sooooo.... what song is everyone looking forward to seeing live? One of the new ADToE? One of the classics that has never made it to DVD before? Or just intrigued to see MM put his spin on things?
Metropolis, Surrounded, the stringed songs! :D
Quote from: Jinx on May 15, 2013, 02:26:25 AM
Sooooo.... what song is everyone looking forward to seeing live? One of the new ADToE? One of the classics that has never made it to DVD before? Or just intrigued to see MM put his spin on things?
Yes, yes, and yes.
Quote from: a51502112 on May 14, 2013, 05:04:05 PM
Maybe they're working with Axl Rose.
They did already, on New Millenium....baybaaay.
Quote from: Sycsa on May 15, 2013, 03:12:23 AM
Quote from: a51502112 on May 14, 2013, 05:04:05 PM
Maybe they're working with Axl Rose.
They did already, on New Millenium....baybaaay.
I don't get it.
Quote from: wasteland on May 15, 2013, 03:18:27 AM
Quote from: BlobVanDam on May 15, 2013, 03:13:23 AM
Quote from: Sycsa on May 15, 2013, 03:12:23 AM
Quote from: a51502112 on May 14, 2013, 05:04:05 PM
Maybe they're working with Axl Rose.
They did already, on New Millenium....baybaaay.
I don't get it.
Could it be because the song sucks? ???
That makes no sense, since it doesn't. Nor does all of Axl Rose's music.
:D :p
Are we now disrespecting Appetite for Destruction because Axl Rose turned into an asshole? Maybe we should doing the same with DTs back catalogue because MP behaved so childish after the split.
Well, GNR don't suck (although I'm not a fan and will never be), but New Millennium is pretty terrible :D
"Tide is turnin' now baybayyy."
New Millenium is great.
Guns 'n' Roses are pretty good.
Axl Rose is a moron.
Quote from: KevShmev on May 14, 2013, 09:56:23 PM
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on May 14, 2013, 11:34:31 AM
You guys might not realize this, but the Styx album from 2003 (the only full studio album of new music without Dennis DeYoung) is arguably even better than their 1970s stuff.
Dream Theater has come out with 5 (will be 6) albums since then plus all the live albums and bootlegs, and Styx has come out with like 3 songs (that clearly Tommy Shaw just kinda threw together), two live albums, two EPs of re-recordings, and a cover album. This really really really sucks if you like Styx as much as I do (which btw is almost impossible).
I wouldn't go that far, but Cyclorama is still very good, mostly because of the first nine tracks (minus tracks 3 and 8) and One with Everything. Everything else is forgettable, but those eight tracks are all very worthy. Pieces of Eight, The Grand Illusion, Equinox and Crystal Ball are all still better, though. :)
I'm surprised you don't like Killing the thing that You Love (12)! That's a song that doesn't hit you the first time, I kinda didn't think much of it til I really just sat down and listened to only it and now it's one of my favorite Styx songs. And I LOVE the chord structures in 8 and 10 and 11, they are brilliant. But maybe we should make a Styx thread in General to talk about this if you or others want to continue :)
And New Millenium is fantastic, and the lyrics are freaking inspiring (I'm not really referring to the chorus when I say this though. The chorus isn't bad enough to drag it down, although it's my least favorite part.)
Quote from: ariich on May 15, 2013, 05:32:42 AM
New Millenium is great.
Guns 'n' Roses are pretty good.
Axl Rose is a moron.
To get back on a the unknown release date. In france, there are few websites who claimed a release date on may 15th 2013.
I live in france, it's may 15th 6:30pm and as doom's day didn't occur in the world, so did the DVD...
Boring :-[
Amazon Japan also mentioned May 15 as the release date a month or two ago, but all the info was taken down pretty quickly. Anyway, it's very confusing to have all these different release dates, but I think July is most likely the correct one.
Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 15, 2013, 02:41:49 AM
Quote from: Jinx on May 15, 2013, 02:26:25 AM
Sooooo.... what song is everyone looking forward to seeing live? One of the new ADToE? One of the classics that has never made it to DVD before? Or just intrigued to see MM put his spin on things?
Yes, yes, and yes.
What Boomie said. :biggrin:
Quote from: DebraKadabra on May 15, 2013, 10:46:57 AM
Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 15, 2013, 02:41:49 AM
Quote from: Jinx on May 15, 2013, 02:26:25 AM
Sooooo.... what song is everyone looking forward to seeing live? One of the new ADToE? One of the classics that has never made it to DVD before? Or just intrigued to see MM put his spin on things?
Yes, yes, and yes.
What Boomie said. :biggrin:
I would agree. Specifically, I'd like to LNF because they weren't including that in the setlist when I saw them.
I don't see why not, as they did have it in the setlist when they played both Luna Park shows.
A more complete answer would be to say that what I'm looking forward to seeing on the DVD is the stuff from ADToE. Since I saw the first leg of the tour, I've already seen some of them live. I did not get a chance to see LNF and am looking forward to seeing it on the DVD. ;D
I'm looking forward to hearing the ADTOE songs, especially my 3 favorites (BITS, BTS, BAI). Out of the old songs I'm most excited about Wait for Sleep, AFIL, 6:00 and PMU (I want to see how the crowd jumping up and down will look like on the DVD!). Oh, and These Walls, Surrounded, Metropolis and Caught in a Web too - damn, so many awesome songs! :lol
Like... the only song played on the concert setlist that I MUST see is BTS... I saw them 3 times during the ADTOE tour and that's the only ADTOE song I did NOT see :(
https://twitter.com/Jcrudess/status/334809368350580737 whooaaa
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on May 15, 2013, 06:12:07 PM
https://twitter.com/Jcrudess/status/334809368350580737 whooaaa
"as soon as we can" could be everything from the millisecond after the tweet to never.
Just read from Spanish site rafabasa.com that according to Amazon Japan and EMP Spain release date is 7/26 and editions will include a double DVD or Blu–Ray with triple CD, plus a deluxe vinyl-like 12" box with Blu-Ray, 2 DVDs, 3 CDs and a "book" (it says "script" in Spanish, so my guess is that it may be a booklet or tour program replica); limited to 2.500 copies. Sounds much better than November.
Supposed tracklist:
-Bridges in the Sky
-6:00
-The Dark Eternal Night
-This is the Life
-The Root of All Evil
-Lost Not Forgotten
-Drum Solo
-A Fortune in Lies
-The Silent Man
-Beneath the Surface
-Outcry
-Keyboard Solo
-Surrounded
-On the Backs of Angels
-War Inside My Head
-The Test that Stumped Them All
-Guitar Solo
-The Spirit Carries On
-Breaking All Illusions
-Metropolis Pt. 1: The Miracle and the Sleeper
Extras:
-These Walls
-Build Me Up, Break Me Down
-Caught in a Web
-Wait for Sleep
-Far From Heaven
-Pull Me Under
That doesn't sound too bad at all. :tup
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on May 15, 2013, 06:12:07 PM
https://twitter.com/Jcrudess/status/334809368350580737 (https://twitter.com/Jcrudess/status/334809368350580737) whooaaa
It's something, you have to give Jordan that.
Yes. A miracle!
Well, if anything now we know they don't know :D
Yep. :lol
It's better than nothing :D
It's basically nothing.
At lease Jordan acknowledged the question. I suppose I can live with the July dates.
MP has writing credits for some of the tracks on the BluRay. Does someone here know whether an artist in this position gets a fixed percentage of the profit or if there is need to negotiate and agree on something?
Quote from: me7 on May 16, 2013, 06:40:27 AM
MP has writing credits for some of the tracks on the BluRay. Does someone here know whether an artist in this position gets a fixed percentage of the profit or if there is need to negotiate and agree on something?
No, not at all. The problem lies elsewhere.
Awesome tracklist - except "This is the life" which I don't like.
Not sure at all that "The Dark Eternal Night" is the best song from "Systematic Chaos"... :huh:
Quote from: sylvinception on May 16, 2013, 07:39:12 AM
Not sure at all that "The Dark Eternal Night" is the best song from "Systematic Chaos"... :huh:
Not sure at all that anyone said it was.
Sorry, it's just disappointing that they have not chosen another song from this album!! :biggrin:
So the new release date is July...
A bit harsh for the fans. :yeahright
Quote from: sylvinception on May 16, 2013, 07:53:57 AM
Sorry, it's just disappointing that they have not chosen another song from this album!! :biggrin:
So the new release date is July...
A bit harsh for the fans. :yeahright
Mind that none of this date has been confirmed! July only seems the most logical one from our very incomplete point of view.
Quote from: Jinx on May 15, 2013, 02:26:25 AM
Sooooo.... what song is everyone looking forward to seeing live? One of the new ADToE? One of the classics that has never made it to DVD before? Or just intrigued to see MM put his spin on things?
All the above!
I was fortunate enough to see them on both U.S. legs, so I've gotten to see all of ADTOE live. But I'm looking forward to re-experiencing them, especially Bridges In The Sky, Outcry, and BMU/BMD, which just
slayed live. And Beneath the Surface was really cool too.
As for non-ADTOE tracks, I'm looking forward to the following:
-Metropolis: I know we have a bunch of versions, but it's still one of my top DT tracks, and they performed it very well with no frills during this tour. It should be awesome.
-Wait For Sleep: It will be nice to have a straightforward version of this. It has always been a favorite. (and having a version without Kevin Moore is a huge bonus in and of itself)
-CIAW: I was bummed that we somehow never got this song in SF. I don't like the studio version, mainly because Kev's out of tune sounding circus keyboard patch is one of the most annoying, grating sounds I have ever heard. But live versions have always sounded much better in that department, and it's about time for a good version of this song to make it onto an official release.
I was kinda bummed that Forsaken and The Great Debate did not make a return. I hope we get some bonus footage of these two songs from some other earlier shows. (or that we at least get them on a subsequent YJR release)
I'm really pumped about it all, too. Unfortunately I was in Hong Kong for the entirely of the ADTOE cycle despite seeing DT three times on the previous cycle, and DT didn't really get anywhere close to Hong Kong.
From youtube clips I've seen from the tour, the stage show looked excellent and performances sounded mostly great.
Yeah, I have to say, I think this was probably the best tour I have seen from them. I think you'll love the DVD.
So if the DVD mix is good enough - we could rip the audio for all the ADToE songs and listen to that instead of the actual CD
:p For people who want a more drum heavy mix.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on May 16, 2013, 08:15:09 AM
I'm really pumped about it all, too. Unfortunately I was in Hong Kong for the entirely of the ADTOE cycle despite seeing DT three times on the previous cycle, and DT didn't really get anywhere close to Hong Kong.
From youtube clips I've seen from the tour, the stage show looked excellent and performances sounded mostly great.
I live in Hong Kong and I went to Taipei to see them
Quote from: sylvinception on May 16, 2013, 07:53:57 AM
Sorry, it's just disappointing that they have not chosen another song from this album!! :biggrin:
The only other SC song they played during the ADTOE tour cycles was Forsaken AFAIK.
Quote from: Kotowboy on May 16, 2013, 09:09:54 AM
So if the DVD mix is good enough - we could rip the audio for all the ADToE songs and listen to that instead of the actual CD
:p For people who want a more drum heavy mix.
This is actually what I'm counting on.
Quote from: bosk1 on May 16, 2013, 08:08:51 AM
Quote from: Jinx on May 15, 2013, 02:26:25 AM
Sooooo.... what song is everyone looking forward to seeing live? One of the new ADToE? One of the classics that has never made it to DVD before? Or just intrigued to see MM put his spin on things?
-Wait For Sleep: It will be nice to have a straightforward version of this. It has always been a favorite. (and having a version without Kevin Moore is a huge bonus in and of itself)
AHEM :biggrin: anyway, it's not a straightforward version because it has the string quartet.
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on May 16, 2013, 11:00:44 AM
Quote from: Kotowboy on May 16, 2013, 09:09:54 AM
So if the DVD mix is good enough - we could rip the audio for all the ADToE songs and listen to that instead of the actual CD
:p For people who want a more drum heavy mix.
This is actually what I'm counting on.
Quote from: bosk1 on May 16, 2013, 08:08:51 AM
Quote from: Jinx on May 15, 2013, 02:26:25 AM
Sooooo.... what song is everyone looking forward to seeing live? One of the new ADToE? One of the classics that has never made it to DVD before? Or just intrigued to see MM put his spin on things?
-Wait For Sleep: It will be nice to have a straightforward version of this. It has always been a favorite. (and having a version without Kevin Moore is a huge bonus in and of itself)
AHEM :biggrin: anyway, it's not a straightforward version because it has the string quartet.
Yep, but it will be nice to have a non-band version of WFS on DVD finally.
I LOVED the WFS version they played in Austin in October of 2011 - it was just Jordan and James. Wow. :heart
Oh, I forgot about the string quartet. That should be quite nice, actually, although like Deb, I really like the stripped down version they were doing on tour with just Jordan and James.
:tup
Oh my :censored God I cannot wait for this. The more I read the setlist, the more I salivate. Theres something for everyone on this disc(s). The mellow side with The Silent Man, Beneath The Surface, the rock side with These Walls and BMU,BMD and the epicness side with Outcry, BAI, TDEN and Metropolis.
Anyone else as excited as I am? Say :yarr ;D
Quote from: Jinx on May 16, 2013, 11:38:35 AM
Oh my :censored God I cannot wait for this. The more I read the setlist, the more I salivate. Theres something for everyone on this disc(s). The mellow side with The Silent Man, Beneath The Surface, the rock side with These Walls and BMU,BMD and the epicness side with Outcry, BAI, TDEN and Metropolis.
Anyone else as excited as I am? Say :yarr ;D
We've been excited for ten months already :laugh:
Quote from: bosk1 on May 16, 2013, 11:18:30 AM
Oh, I forgot about the string quartet. That should be quite nice, actually, although like Deb, I really like the stripped down version they were doing on tour with just Jordan and James.
Any version of WFS is great :)
Quote from: Jinx on May 16, 2013, 11:38:35 AM
Oh my :censored God I cannot wait for this. The more I read the setlist, the more I salivate. Theres something for everyone on this disc(s). The mellow side with The Silent Man, Beneath The Surface, the rock side with These Walls and BMU,BMD and the epicness side with Outcry, BAI, TDEN and Metropolis.
Anyone else as excited as I am? Say :yarr ;D
BMU BMD doesn't rock.
Ah well,The Silent Man is gonna be great! :metal
Quote from: Lolzeez on May 16, 2013, 12:12:06 PM
BMU BMD doesn't rock.
That's YOUR opinion! :angry:
Quote from: novenpeter on May 16, 2013, 10:19:04 AM
Quote from: Perpetual Change on May 16, 2013, 08:15:09 AM
I'm really pumped about it all, too. Unfortunately I was in Hong Kong for the entirely of the ADTOE cycle despite seeing DT three times on the previous cycle, and DT didn't really get anywhere close to Hong Kong.
From youtube clips I've seen from the tour, the stage show looked excellent and performances sounded mostly great.
I live in Hong Kong and I went to Taipei to see them
Ah, do I know you?
I considered going to Taipei, but the cost of the flight and the fact I'd be going to Taipei again the next weekend for a conference convinced me otherwise.
Quote from: bosk1 on May 16, 2013, 08:19:22 AM
Yeah, I have to say, I think this was probably the best tour I have seen from them. I think you'll love the DVD.
Oh, well, I'm sure I'll love the BluRay. Especially after En Vivo!. That completely opened my eyes to the potential of BluRay concerts. If Luna Park is anywhere near En Vivo levels of good from a production and performance standpoint, I'm sure it'll be my favorite DT concert film.
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 16, 2013, 07:45:04 AM
Quote from: sylvinception on May 16, 2013, 07:39:12 AM
Not sure at all that "The Dark Eternal Night" is the best song from "Systematic Chaos"... :huh:
Not sure at all that anyone said it was.
I did! Unless you count ITPoE1 and ITPoE2 as separate songs. Then ITPoE1's the best song.
That said, TDEN's the one I can't imagine without Mike Portnoy, I think it's the more interesting song to play with Mangini. So, wahey.
TDEN was a f%#king BEAST on this tour!
Quote from: TAC on May 16, 2013, 01:55:25 PM
TDEN was a f%#king BEAST on this tour!
Agreed! Definitely another song I'm looking forward to see!
Quote from: wasteland on May 16, 2013, 01:57:21 PM
Quote from: TAC on May 16, 2013, 01:55:25 PM
TDEN was a f%#king BEAST on this tour!
Agreed! Definitely another song I'm looking forward to see!
You know, it was great on the SC tour, but it went to the next level last summer.
I'm a bit sad that The Count of Tuscany didn't make it on the BluRay. They played the song during this tour, but not on the night of the recording.
Quote from: me7 on May 16, 2013, 02:04:58 PM
I'm a bit sad that The Count of Tuscany didn't make it on the BluRay. They played the song during this tour, but not on the night of the recording.
They did? The way I remember it they played it on the summer tour leading up to the release of ADToE but not on the actual ADToE tour.
That is what I remember, I dont think it was played after the album was released... however, I do wish it made it on the DVD either by being played one of those nights or as bonus footage from a previous concert.
Quote from: Meatrose on May 16, 2013, 02:17:22 PM
Quote from: me7 on May 16, 2013, 02:04:58 PM
I'm a bit sad that The Count of Tuscany didn't make it on the BluRay. They played the song during this tour, but not on the night of the recording.
They did? The way I remember it they played it on the summer tour leading up to the release of ADToE but not on the actual ADToE tour.
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Maybe he's not serious, but he's right, for sure.
Seriously? The concerts played before an album release and the concerts played after an album release are considered two separate tours?
But of course. How can they have A Dramatic Tour of Events when prior to the album the only song they were playing was OTBOA? I would count them as just a summer warm up tour, get the album out and then the Tour of Events (IMO)
Quote from: Lolzeez on May 16, 2013, 12:12:06 PM
Quote from: Jinx on May 16, 2013, 11:38:35 AM
Oh my :censored God I cannot wait for this. The more I read the setlist, the more I salivate. Theres something for everyone on this disc(s). The mellow side with The Silent Man, Beneath The Surface, the rock side with These Walls and BMU,BMD and the epicness side with Outcry, BAI, TDEN and Metropolis.
Anyone else as excited as I am? Say :yarr ;D
BMU BMD doesn't rock.
Ah well,The Silent Man is gonna be great! :metal
BMU BMD was awesome live. Didnt like the studio version much though
Quote from: me7 on May 16, 2013, 02:46:51 PM
Seriously? The concerts played before an album release and the concerts played after an album release are considered two separate tours?
Well, whether you consider it two separate tours or different legs of the same tour isn't really the issue. I think the point is simply that they didn't play it at all once the album came out and they started more officially touring
in support of the album. And the Luna Park show was over a year after the last time they played TCOT.
So, yeah, they
did play it earlier, but not once the album came out. Maybe we'll get lucky and it'll show up as a bonus track or on a YJR release.
delays make me sad.
Quote from: Jinx on May 16, 2013, 03:15:23 PM
Quote from: Lolzeez on May 16, 2013, 12:12:06 PM
Quote from: Jinx on May 16, 2013, 11:38:35 AM
Oh my :censored God I cannot wait for this. The more I read the setlist, the more I salivate. Theres something for everyone on this disc(s). The mellow side with The Silent Man, Beneath The Surface, the rock side with These Walls and BMU,BMD and the epicness side with Outcry, BAI, TDEN and Metropolis.
Anyone else as excited as I am? Say :yarr ;D
BMU BMD doesn't rock.
Ah well,The Silent Man is gonna be great! :metal
BMU BMD was awesome live. Didnt like the studio version much though
I feel the same way. BMU BMD felt a bit weak and bland on the studio version but the live version kicks major ass. Pretty rocking stuff!
Quote from: Lolzeez on May 16, 2013, 12:12:06 PMBMU BMD doesn't rock.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Quote from: DebraKadabra on May 17, 2013, 12:41:43 AM
Quote from: Lolzeez on May 16, 2013, 12:12:06 PMBMU BMD doesn't rock.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
As I said multiple times, I don't really get the hate. It's notthe typical DT song, but it's not horrible in the least!
I love it. No BS.
Man, that's such a fun song, the chorus is incredibly catchy and James pulls off some terrific screams. I loved seeing it live, I swear James pointed at me when he entered the last chorus, it was like ''YOU build me up, YOU break me down..." My heart stopped for a second and my friends were so jealous. :lol
That's pretty hip... though I'd be jelly of you too, to be honest.
Quote from: wasteland on May 17, 2013, 12:43:08 AM
Quote from: DebraKadabra on May 17, 2013, 12:41:43 AM
Quote from: Lolzeez on May 16, 2013, 12:12:06 PMBMU BMD doesn't rock.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
As I said multiple times, I don't really get the hate. It's notthe typical DT song, but it's not horrible in the least!
This. I just don't understand why some people say it's on the same level with the likes of You Not Me and Never Enough. :dunno:
Quote from: Mladen on May 17, 2013, 12:51:42 AM
Man, that's such a fun song, the chorus is incredibly catchy and James pulls off some terrific screams. I loved seeing it live, I swear James pointed at me when he entered the last chorus, it was like ''YOU build me up, YOU break me down..." My heart stopped for a second and my friends were so jealous. :lol
Awesome, I would've been jealous too! :lol
Quote from: ? on May 17, 2013, 03:24:07 AM
Quote from: wasteland on May 17, 2013, 12:43:08 AM
Quote from: DebraKadabra on May 17, 2013, 12:41:43 AM
Quote from: Lolzeez on May 16, 2013, 12:12:06 PMBMU BMD doesn't rock.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
As I said multiple times, I don't really get the hate. It's notthe typical DT song, but it's not horrible in the least!
This. I just don't understand why some people say it's and Never Enough are on the same level with the likes of You Not Me and Never Enough. :dunno:
Right ;)
:lol @ the edit
I think I am on Ville's side, but Never Enough is musically less appalling than YNM, I guess :lol
You guys.... :'(
Quote from: wasteland on May 17, 2013, 04:53:06 AM
I think I am on Ville's side, but Never Enough is musically less appalling than YNM, I guess :lol
At least YNM has a catchy chorus and they didn't try to emulate any particular band :D
All three songs are awful, end of story :biggrin:
Quote from: ? on May 17, 2013, 05:11:15 AM
Quote from: wasteland on May 17, 2013, 04:53:06 AM
I think I am on Ville's side, but Never Enough is musically less appalling than YNM, I guess :lol
At least YNM has a catchy chorus and they didn't try to emulate any particular band :D
At least NE is a good song. YNM is a piece of shit.
Quote from: wasteland on May 17, 2013, 12:43:08 AM
Quote from: DebraKadabra on May 17, 2013, 12:41:43 AM
Quote from: Lolzeez on May 16, 2013, 12:12:06 PMBMU BMD doesn't rock.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
As I said multiple times, I don't really get the hate. It's notthe typical DT song, but it's not horrible in the least!
I think it's a decent little song, and doesn't deserve the hate it gets at all. There are at least a couple of songs on the album I think are worse.
Quote from: ? on May 17, 2013, 05:11:15 AM
Quote from: wasteland on May 17, 2013, 04:53:06 AM
I think I am on Ville's side, but Never Enough is musically less appalling than YNM, I guess :lol
At least YNM has a catchy chorus and they didn't try to emulate any particular band :D
Actually the chorus is the worst part of the song for me. :-\
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on May 17, 2013, 05:14:43 AM
All three songs are awful, end of story :biggrin:
Then sadly, despite the many, many years (and livestock) we had shared together, the day came when I realized she and I were not a match.
Quote from: bosk1 on May 17, 2013, 05:58:44 AM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on May 17, 2013, 05:14:43 AM
All three songs are awful, end of story :biggrin:
Then sadly, despite the many, many years (and livestock) we had shared together, the day came when I realized she and I were not a match.
Sic transit gloria mundi.
Quote from: bosk1 on May 17, 2013, 05:58:44 AM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on May 17, 2013, 05:14:43 AM
All three songs are awful, end of story :biggrin:
Then sadly, despite the many, many years (and livestock) we had shared together, the day came when I realized she and I were not a match.
I will always keep you in my heart, bosky.
Besides, it's not like this didn't happen before: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35969.msg1533419#msg1533419 :biggrin:
Count me among the BMUBMD dislikers.
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 17, 2013, 08:45:31 AM
Count me among the BMUBMD dislikers.
But you are forgiven because you are an ADTOE-lover. :hefdaddy
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 17, 2013, 08:45:31 AM
Count me among the BMUBMD dislikers.
We are all imperfect creatures of flesh and bone, each one of us, and each have our different flaws and shortcomings. Don't worry. It doesn't make you any less of a person.
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 17, 2013, 08:45:31 AM
Count me among the BMUBMD dislikers.
Yeah, me too actually, it doesn't do much of anything for me. I don't think it
sucks though but to me it's the TROP of ADTOE - if it was twice as good it would still be the weakest song on the album in my opinion.
Honestly, I always thought BMUBMD was somewhat reminiscent of YNM, particularly the keyboards at the end of the song. Although BMUBMD is much better.
In my opinion This Is The Life is the weakest song from ADTOE. I just cannot get into it, often skipping it on a playthrough. But... with BMU BMD I kinda enjoyed it more when seeing it live, unfortunately they didnt have TITL on the cycle at that time (along with LNF, which I am pumped to see on the other hand)
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on May 17, 2013, 05:14:43 AM
All three songs are awful, end of story :biggrin:
Get out.
Quote from: bosk1 on May 17, 2013, 08:55:26 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 17, 2013, 08:45:31 AM
Count me among the BMUBMD dislikers.
We are all imperfect creatures of flesh and bone, each one of us, and each have our different flaws and shortcomings. Don't worry. It doesn't make you any less of a person.
Yes, this is what comforts me at night.
Quote from: Jinx on May 17, 2013, 09:35:45 AM
In my opinion This Is The Life is the weakest song from ADTOE. I just cannot get into it, often skipping it on a playthrough. But... with BMU BMD I kinda enjoyed it more when seeing it live, unfortunately they didnt have TITL on the cycle at that time (along with LNF, which I am pumped to see on the other hand)
I love TITL but i'm not so keen on BAI.
Minority i know.
Don't have time to check thru the whole thread but do we know if there will be band commentary on the DVD?
I sincerely hope so because I always loved the commentaries they did. I'll take commentary over ANY other bonus feature, even though it wouldn't be the same without MP.
Quote from: JPX on May 17, 2013, 12:22:53 PM
Don't have time to check thru the whole thread but do we know if there will be band commentary on the DVD?
I sincerely hope so because I always loved the commentaries they did. I'll take commentary over ANY other bonus feature, even though it wouldn't be the same without MP.
No, we don't know for sure, but likely not.
And your troll posts have been removed. If you do not have anything constructive to add to a conversation, don't post. Consider this your warning.
Quote from: bosk1 on May 17, 2013, 12:29:02 PM
Quote from: JPX on May 17, 2013, 12:22:53 PM
Don't have time to check thru the whole thread but do we know if there will be band commentary on the DVD?
I sincerely hope so because I always loved the commentaries they did. I'll take commentary over ANY other bonus feature, even though it wouldn't be the same without MP.
No, we don't know for sure, but likely not.
And your troll posts have been removed. If you do not have anything constructive to add to a conversation, don't post. Consider this your warning.
Thank you for the answer.
And troll posts..are you fucking kidding me. I hate BMUBMD and that constitutes a warning?
Quote from: JPX on May 17, 2013, 12:32:59 PMI hate BMUBMD and that constitutes a warning?
No, but just posting "LOL that sucks" and the equivalent in multiple threads is against forum rules. I suggest you read them if you have any other questions.
Quote from: bosk1 on May 17, 2013, 12:34:36 PM
Quote from: JPX on May 17, 2013, 12:32:59 PMI hate BMUBMD and that constitutes a warning?
No, but just posting "LOL that sucks" and the equivalent in multiple threads is against forum rules. I suggest you read them if you have any other questions.
Nah I'm good. I wrote BMUBMD is an abomination because it's my opinion and it gets removed. But above me someone else writes count me among the BMUBMD dislikers which is also a negative opinion toward the song - but theirs counts. Nice consistency there bro.
Thanks for reminding me why I don't visit here anymore. I forgot how embarrassingly controlling the moderation was.
Saying, "I don't like a song," is not the same as, "That song is abomination." The latter is anything but constructive criticism. There is a way of saying you don't like a song without going overboard; calling it an abomination is not a way.
Thanks for telling me the difference between words. I happen to think that "I don't like the song" wasn't a strong enough sentiment of how I feel about the song, so I chose a word that appropriately described my opinion. It's just that this place is so PRO DREAM THEATER that they don't like strong statements like that.
Funny thing is, Dream Theater is my favorite band and mean more to me than any other band ever has - but I still don't mind calling them out. Sorry if people on here have to OMG LOVE everything that they touch.
???
I think you ought to find the controversial DT opinions thread, if you really think we all must love everything DT. That is certainly not the case.
I'm also very critic about DT and yet I've never been warned about it. Even if you are contrary to what the majority thinks, you can still express it in a way that isn't offensive and that follows the forum rules.
PS: Inb4 :bosk1:
Quote from: KevShmev on May 17, 2013, 12:52:15 PM
???
I think you ought to find the controversial DT opinions thread, if you really think we all must love everything DT. That is certainly not the case.
Thanks, I'll check it out.
It's not what you say, but how you say it.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on May 17, 2013, 01:00:13 PM
It's not what you say, but how you say it.
This, sorry about the trouble guys.
I think DT should explain a little bit what has happen with the release of the DVD/BluRay and post at least one song live off Live at Luna Park for us to wait patiently. Waiting is easier when you do know the thing is worthwhile. I'm a spanish DT fan. Thus, I'm terribly sorry if my english is not good enough.
Dude, I was able to understand you perfectly. Welcome to DTF! :biggrin:
Quote from: Labrie1984 on May 17, 2013, 03:55:19 PM
I think DT should explain a little bit what has happen with the release of the DVD/BluRay and post at least one song live off Live at Luna Park for us to wait patiently. Waiting is easier when you do know the thing is worthwhile. I'm a spanish DT fan. Thus, I'm terribly sorry if my english is not good enough.
Welcome to the family
:welcome:
:lol
Thank you so much for the warm reception people! I've been reading the comments here for so long but now I've decided to bring my opinions too.
Quote from: Labrie1984 on May 17, 2013, 03:55:19 PM
I think DT should explain a little bit what has happen with the release of the DVD/BluRay and post at least one song live off Live at Luna Park for us to wait patiently. Waiting is easier when you do know the thing is worthwhile. I'm a spanish DT fan. Thus, I'm terribly sorry if my english is not good enough.
Couldn't agree more. If they don't announce the release date in the next week or two, I'm spending my JB Hi-Fi voucher on Score!
(JB Hi-Fi is the major music & entertainment retail shop in Australia.)
Quote from: JoshuaB2112 on May 17, 2013, 09:49:25 PM
Quote from: Labrie1984 on May 17, 2013, 03:55:19 PM
I think DT should explain a little bit what has happen with the release of the DVD/BluRay and post at least one song live off Live at Luna Park for us to wait patiently. Waiting is easier when you do know the thing is worthwhile. I'm a spanish DT fan. Thus, I'm terribly sorry if my english is not good enough.
Couldn't agree more. If they don't announce the release date in the next week or two, I'm spending my JB Hi-Fi voucher on Score!
(JB Hi-Fi is the major music & entertainment retail shop in Australia.)
Welcome fellow Australian!
JB is indeed the best/only place to get the good music here. When I went in to buy Score, they had it playing on the big screen, and they always have the DT releases right away.
Quote from: Labrie1984 on May 17, 2013, 05:52:52 PM
Thank you so much for the warm reception people! I've been reading the comments here for so long but now I've decided to bring my opinions too.
Just don't hate us too much if we disagree with you. :)
Welcome to both of you guys!
Looks like Kotowboy's meme was right for me :lol
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Quote from: JoshuaB2112 on May 17, 2013, 09:49:25 PM
Quote from: Labrie1984 on May 17, 2013, 03:55:19 PM
I think DT should explain a little bit what has happen with the release of the DVD/BluRay and post at least one song live off Live at Luna Park for us to wait patiently. Waiting is easier when you do know the thing is worthwhile. I'm a spanish DT fan. Thus, I'm terribly sorry if my english is not good enough.
Couldn't agree more. If they don't announce the release date in the next week or two, I'm spending my JB Hi-Fi voucher on Score!
(JB Hi-Fi is the major music & entertainment retail shop in Australia.)
Wait, you don't own Score already? Have you ever seen it? If you haven't, you must see it. It is, in my opinion, the best love DVD/album they have ever put out.
Quote from: Cedar redaC on May 18, 2013, 12:26:00 AM
Looks like Kotowboy's meme was right for me :lol
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Aw. :(
Quote from: BlobVanDam on May 17, 2013, 09:53:00 PM
Quote from: JoshuaB2112 on May 17, 2013, 09:49:25 PM
Quote from: Labrie1984 on May 17, 2013, 03:55:19 PM
I think DT should explain a little bit what has happen with the release of the DVD/BluRay and post at least one song live off Live at Luna Park for us to wait patiently. Waiting is easier when you do know the thing is worthwhile. I'm a spanish DT fan. Thus, I'm terribly sorry if my english is not good enough.
Couldn't agree more. If they don't announce the release date in the next week or two, I'm spending my JB Hi-Fi voucher on Score!
(JB Hi-Fi is the major music & entertainment retail shop in Australia.)
Welcome fellow Australian!
JB is indeed the best/only place to get the good music here. When I went in to buy Score, they had it playing on the big screen, and they always have the DT releases right away.
Yeah welcome Josh. As Blob said, all JB's are very reliable for DT with cd's and dvd's. Also seen vinyl from time to time.
Quote from: wolfking on May 19, 2013, 03:18:04 AM
Yeah welcome Josh. As Blob said, all JB's are very reliable for DT with cd's and dvd's. Also seen vinyl from time to time.
A few months ago I saw Black Clouds on vinyl at JB, then did my research, realised it was their best album of the 3 that were available as Vinyls, then I went back about 2 months later and it was gone. So began my search for another reasonably priced copy. I could find Dramatic Turn & Systematic at another JB, but Black Clouds was completely out of stock and out of print. There were no good sellers on eBay from an english speaking region, so I almost gave up until one day I accidentally stumbled upon Red Eye Records' website, and it said they had it in stock for a very reasonable $35. A few phone calls later and I had secured my order for it. I live in Melbourne and I can't be bothered paying the postage fee, so the record is currently sitting in my uncle's apartment, but he'll send it over in a couple of weeks. Can't wait to drop the needle on side four and hear that intro to The Count Of Tuscany!
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Wait, you don't own Score already? Have you ever seen it? If you haven't, you must see it. It is, in my opinion, the best love DVD/album they have ever put out.
This will be a slight side track about Score so I'll offer some actual in thread context too :)
- I would love some kind of update, I'm being patient and trying not to stomp my feet and scream petulantly, 'But you said May!!!' I trust the guys are making decisions that are for the best. I'd love to see it soon!
- If the new album is out 'end of Summer' last time I heard (from an interview clip) then that means before September 22nd. If the date for the Live at Luna Park is announced within 1-2 weeks and it's a month out realistically then those two are going to be might close together. Does that seem unusual to anyone else? I always thought bands avoided that to not saturate the market.
(Personally they could release something weekly and I'd buy it heh)
- I'd love Score on Bluray!
- I'd love a new Petrucci solo album, the songs on youtube from the G3 tour are great.
Okay sorry for slight derail, I don't post often and I'm tired and wanted to get that out there :)
Lol, I just saw that I put Score is their best love album. I'm not even going to fix it because it cracks me up.
I considered pointing out about it, but in the end didn't do it ;D
I'm not sure if the 'november release theory' has been discredited yet or not (didn't feel like reading through nine pages), but if the DVD isn't ready til November, that means that it took longer to release the DVD than it took DT to finish up the tour, take a two month break, write a new album, record a new album, and release the fuckin new album. Does anyone else think that's just a bit ridiculous?
Yea a little
Quote from: Shadow2222 on May 19, 2013, 06:16:23 AM
Lol, I just saw that I put Score is their best love album. I'm not even going to fix it because it cracks me up.
It IS their best love album ever. Lots to love. :metal
Quote from: TheLordOfTheStrings on May 19, 2013, 09:38:02 AM
I'm not sure if the 'november release theory' has been discredited yet or not (didn't feel like reading through nine pages), but if the DVD isn't ready til November, that means that it took longer to release the DVD than it took DT to finish up the tour, take a two month break, write a new album, record a new album, and release the fuckin new album. Does anyone else think that's just a bit ridiculous?
:lol :lol that's pretty funny when you think about it XD but it's already taken that long minus the releasing the new album part and
finish recording, but even that might be done in the next month or two when the DVD more likely comes out
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Quote from: Cedar redaC on May 18, 2013, 12:26:00 AM
Looks like Kotowboy's meme was right for me :lol
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Aw. :(
I'm sure I'll have plenty chance to watch it afterwards, and believe me, I will. :)
If, and I stress, IF the DVD is out by the time you get back from your mission. :lol
Quote from: wasteland on May 19, 2013, 01:53:22 PM
If, and I stress, IF the DVD is out by the time you get back from your mission. :lol
:dangerwillrobinson:
:lol
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may 20th. This DVD ain't coming.
I don't know who promoted (band, management, over the edge productions) the "trailer" back in feb the 1st but that move was mistaken so say the least. Besides, that video didn't contain live concert audio because OTE had not ended their work. Why, then, did they launch the promo without having everything under control? The explanation given by JP to DTNorway just sounded politically correct but not sincere at all. The size of audio information is not the cause of the delay 'cause every live concert should be postponed then. I want DT to be vocal about this and say the truth because we are the clients who in the end will purchase their product and deserve some info.
What do you think?
I know i'm not the biggest fan of MP here ( like, duh ) but I wonder if there are any legal issues with songs that he played on delaying the release ?
I'm certain that all the info will be revealed eventually.
Quote from: Kotowboy on May 20, 2013, 08:06:14 AM
I know i'm not the biggest fan of MP here ( like, duh ) but I wonder if there are any legal issues with songs that he played on delaying the release ?
I can't see how. I am sure all of that kind of stuff would have been worked out legally by the lawyers of both sides when the official split happened.
May The root of all evil be the reason for the delay as it was part of The Twelve suit saga...???? Maybe...
It wasn't all that long ago we got news from OTE about having finished the disc. I believe it's nothing more than production delays in getting everything done. I don't think it has anything to do with MP. If there were any potential issues there, you'd think they'd have it sorted out before filming the thing.
There have already been a couple of delays. I remember that last year Labrie said that the dvd would be released at the end of 2012 or beginning of 2013. Some weeks later OTE said april or May were the most possible months for the release. Then, they launched a promo video to show the mativision "3D" feature with SIX setting May as the release date....and time goes by...
I think the major issue right now might be the app/dvd interaction thing. That's something DT has never tackled. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Richard Chycky was working double duties with the live audio of the DVD and the new DT recording. And maybe DT decided to give priority to the recording process (at least the early stages).
Quote from: morkie on May 19, 2013, 04:27:26 AM
- I'd love a new Petrucci solo album, the songs on youtube from the G3 tour are great.
Okay sorry for slight derail, I don't post often and I'm tired and wanted to get that out there :)
I think that's the one release I'm most excited to see come to fruition - more so than a new DT album. Suspended Animation is a favorite of mine and the new songs sound great.
Remember after they chose Mangini, John said he would love to record with Marco? I would love to see him play on JP's solo album.
Quote from: JPX on May 20, 2013, 08:49:42 AM
Remember after they chose Mangini, John said he would love to record with Marco? I would love to see him play on JP's solo album.
I'm not sure that will happen. According to Marco JP told him that he wanted the same drummer to play with him in the new G3 tour and in the album. Since Marco wasn't able to do the tour and Mangini filled the spot...
goo-goo: I agree with you. Some instrumental and vocal parts may have been overdubbed or re-recorded and Richard might have been working on that.
Quote from: Nekov on May 20, 2013, 09:06:38 AM
Quote from: JPX on May 20, 2013, 08:49:42 AM
Remember after they chose Mangini, John said he would love to record with Marco? I would love to see him play on JP's solo album.
I'm not sure that will happen. According to Marco JP told him that he wanted the same drummer to play with him in the new G3 tour and in the album. Since Marco wasn't able to do the tour and Mangini filled the spot...
Yeah that's too bad. I think a John/Marco combo would be amazing. I also think Marco would push John with his songwriting because he comes out of left field so much with his style.
Even though the trailer was released, it was really only half-done, including no concert audio. Honestly, looked more like a tour promo, and I still kinda wonder why they bothered releasing it at that point. It's only caused an extended peroid of heartache here it seems.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on May 20, 2013, 09:23:38 AM
Even though the trailer was released, it was really only half-done, including no concert audio. Honestly, looked more like a tour promo, and I still kinda wonder why they bothered releasing it at that point. It's only caused an extended peroid of heartache here it seems.
Ιt's good that they released it, at least we got a glimpse of what's to come.
The strange thing is that they put a May release and so far it is unknown when it is coming, while JP said in the DTnorway interview that we would get info soon enough.
Quote from: wolfking on May 20, 2013, 04:43:09 AM
may 20th. This DVD ain't coming.
Um..yeah it is. Just not in may :P
Don't worry people, it will come out, just later than we hoped. It's not the end of the world..
Quote from: countoftuscany42 on May 20, 2013, 09:42:59 AM
Don't worry people, it will come out, just later than we hoped. It's not the end of the world..
How are you so sure? Maybe the powers of the universe were also eager to see this DVD and are now getting angry at the lack of info which will end in the destruction of everything...
You didn't consider that possibility did you?
If the July date is the correct one, then it will have been 11 months since the Luna Park shows were played. MP left in September 2010 and a year after that DT already released a new album with a new drummer - that means that getting this DVD out will have taken almost as much time.
Quote from: Nekov on May 20, 2013, 09:46:18 AM
Quote from: countoftuscany42 on May 20, 2013, 09:42:59 AM
Don't worry people, it will come out, just later than we hoped. It's not the end of the world..
How are you so sure? Maybe the powers of the universe were also eager to see this DVD and are now getting angry at the lack of info which will end in the destruction of everything...
You didn't consider that possibility did you?
touché....but at that point it wont really matter now will it? :P
Quote from: countoftuscany42 on May 20, 2013, 09:53:50 AM
Quote from: Nekov on May 20, 2013, 09:46:18 AM
Quote from: countoftuscany42 on May 20, 2013, 09:42:59 AM
Don't worry people, it will come out, just later than we hoped. It's not the end of the world..
How are you so sure? Maybe the powers of the universe were also eager to see this DVD and are now getting angry at the lack of info which will end in the destruction of everything...
You didn't consider that possibility did you?
touché....but at that point it wont really matter now will it? :P
I don't think that will happen, but tell you what- I'll make you a bet. If the universe
doesn't end, you buy me my copy of the deluxe version of Luna Park when it comes out. If the universe
does end, you can have my money, house, car, and DTF account. (Credit's to nigahiga for the idea)
Just think of it this way guys, once the DVD is out, we won't even care how long it took because we'll be shitting ourselves from how awesome it is.
nothing about the DVD, but from OTE https://www.facebook.com/OverTheEdgeProductions/posts/512263285498971
https://www.emp-online.co.uk/dream-theater-live-at-luna-park-2-dvd/art_260414/
"Available from 26.07.2013 - Pre-order today"
Not sure I like that cover ::)
This is kind of random, but I was wondering if anyone who was at the show or talked to someone who was at the show knows- how did they do on that part in Metropolis Part 1 that they occasionally mess up? Did they nail it for the DVD?
The Live At Luna Park DVD cover reminds me of Chaos in Motion for some reason. Maybe just the colours.
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Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on May 20, 2013, 10:46:27 AM
This is kind of random, but I was wondering if anyone who was at the show or talked to someone who was at the show knows- how did they do on that part in Metropolis Part 1 that they occasionally mess up? Did they nail it for the DVD?
Not sure what part they mess up normally but if you ask me Metropolis was perfect, then again, maybe I missed it in the excitement.
Quote from: countoftuscany42 on May 20, 2013, 09:42:59 AM
Um..yeah it is. Just not in may :P
Don't worry people, it will come out, just later than we hoped. It's not the end of the world..
QFMFT
Quote from: Nekov on May 20, 2013, 11:08:31 AM
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on May 20, 2013, 10:46:27 AM
This is kind of random, but I was wondering if anyone who was at the show or talked to someone who was at the show knows- how did they do on that part in Metropolis Part 1 that they occasionally mess up? Did they nail it for the DVD?
Not sure what part they mess up normally but if you ask me Metropolis was perfect, then again, maybe I missed it in the excitement.
There is no part they mess up normally.
They had a trainwreck more than once in the section right after the lights-down pause the band used to take in the MP era near the end of the song.
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 20, 2013, 01:19:30 PM
Quote from: Nekov on May 20, 2013, 11:08:31 AM
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on May 20, 2013, 10:46:27 AM
This is kind of random, but I was wondering if anyone who was at the show or talked to someone who was at the show knows- how did they do on that part in Metropolis Part 1 that they occasionally mess up? Did they nail it for the DVD?
Not sure what part they mess up normally but if you ask me Metropolis was perfect, then again, maybe I missed it in the excitement.
There is no part they mess up normally.
Thus why the great Sixdgamaticor said "occasionally" ;D
Well, if your nickname wasn't so uncanny I could pay more attention to your posts :P
Anyways, I don't recall them messing up the song at all
It doesn't happen enough to even say that it happens occasionally.
Quote from: Nekov on May 20, 2013, 01:32:10 PM
Well, if your nickname wasn't so uncanny I could pay more attention to your posts :P
Anyways, I don't recall them messing up the song at all
:rollin thanks
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 20, 2013, 01:42:28 PM
It doesn't happen enough to even say that it happens occasionally.
okay I can accept that because it's not a consistent basis. It's more like it's happened multiple times before in DT history :)
btw I'm talking about at both 7:37, and 7:45 of the original song, where the melody changes in a really weird place two times right in a row
So is the release date for 7/26/2013 official?
I don't have much qualms with the cover art. I think it looks better than CiM.
HECK YEA!! I just got him to mention the DVD at the stageit show!!! :tup to myself!! hahahah but he couldnt give any info :/
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on May 20, 2013, 04:21:42 PM
HECK YEA!! I just got him to mention the DVD at the stageit show!!! :tup to myself!! hahahah but he couldnt give any info :/
Yeah, well :-\ I think it's all for the better at this point. I really don't wanna know and I doubt I could understand if I was told what exactly was going on since it looks like it's both out of DT's hands and way out of OTE's hands, so, you know, I just need to know it hasn't disappeared into mid-air, and apparently it hasn't, so.
That cover is making me picture the gruesomeness that would occur five seconds later.
Quote from: Grizz on May 20, 2013, 07:57:13 PM
That cover is making me picture the gruesomeness that would occur five seconds later.
I'd take that gruesomeness if it means I don't have to see that unicycle riding clown any longer....sick of that guy...... :\
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 20, 2013, 01:42:28 PM
It doesn't happen enough to even say that it happens occasionally.
Dude, they've messed it up 100% of the times I've seen it live. That's a lot. :neverusethis:
And it was one of my favourite DT live moments.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on May 20, 2013, 08:39:06 PM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 20, 2013, 01:42:28 PM
It doesn't happen enough to even say that it happens occasionally.
Dude, they've messed it up 100% of the times I've seen it live. That's a lot. :neverusethis:
And it was one of my favourite DT live moments.
are you serious?! I saw the song in LA in 2012 and they messed up a different part. Mangini added a beat and they were off for about 15-20 seconds. I think that was one of the most exciting parts of the whole concert too :lol :lol
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on May 20, 2013, 09:54:19 PM
Quote from: BlobVanDam on May 20, 2013, 08:39:06 PM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 20, 2013, 01:42:28 PM
It doesn't happen enough to even say that it happens occasionally.
Dude, they've messed it up 100% of the times I've seen it live. That's a lot. :neverusethis:
And it was one of my favourite DT live moments.
are you serious?! I saw the song in LA in 2012 and they messed up a different part. Mangini added a beat and they were off for about 15-20 seconds. I think that was one of the most exciting parts of the whole concert too :lol :lol
Am I serious about what bit? :lol
I've only actually seen DT fully play Metropolis once live, so
technically it is true. It was a hot Summer day, and it was at the end of a full "Evening With" set, so they must have been wasted by that point. They made so much fun of it, that nobody realized it was a mistake and thought it was intentional.
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on May 20, 2013, 09:54:19 PM
Quote from: BlobVanDam on May 20, 2013, 08:39:06 PM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 20, 2013, 01:42:28 PM
It doesn't happen enough to even say that it happens occasionally.
Dude, they've messed it up 100% of the times I've seen it live. That's a lot. :neverusethis:
And it was one of my favourite DT live moments.
are you serious?! I saw the song in LA in 2012 and they messed up a different part. Mangini added a beat and they were off for about 15-20 seconds. I think that was one of the most exciting parts of the whole concert too :lol :lol
It wasn't a mess up because Mangini can't mess up. He just took it upon himself to change the song because he decided it would be better with the extra beat, but he forgot to tell the other guys.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on May 20, 2013, 10:06:01 PM
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on May 20, 2013, 09:54:19 PM
Quote from: BlobVanDam on May 20, 2013, 08:39:06 PM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 20, 2013, 01:42:28 PM
It doesn't happen enough to even say that it happens occasionally.
Dude, they've messed it up 100% of the times I've seen it live. That's a lot. :neverusethis:
And it was one of my favourite DT live moments.
are you serious?! I saw the song in LA in 2012 and they messed up a different part. Mangini added a beat and they were off for about 15-20 seconds. I think that was one of the most exciting parts of the whole concert too :lol :lol
Am I serious about what bit? :lol
I've only actually seen DT fully play Metropolis once live, so technically it is true. It was a hot Summer day, and it was at the end of a full "Evening With" set, so they must have been wasted by that point. They made so much fun of it, that nobody realized it was a mistake and thought it was intentional.
oh ok I figured.. What year? What kind of fun did they make out of it? I love this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3gd3nQNtCA they mess it up and then just start over :rollin
Quote from: TheLordOfTheStrings on May 20, 2013, 10:14:13 PM
It wasn't a mess up because Mangini can't mess up. He just took it upon himself to change the song because he decided it would be better with the extra beat, but he forgot to tell the other guys.
:lol :lol :rollin
Quote from: Grizz on May 20, 2013, 07:57:13 PM
That cover is making me picture the gruesomeness that would occur five seconds later.
More like ONE second later.
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on May 20, 2013, 10:19:53 PM
oh ok I figured.. What year? What kind of fun did they make out of it? I love this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3gd3nQNtCA they mess it up and then just start over :rollin
It was 30th Jan 2008, Sydney.
This is the best clip I could find, although the sound is messed up, and the video isn't great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9SJ92_p8fs&feature=player_detailpage#t=165s
Quote from: BlobVanDam on May 20, 2013, 10:28:51 PM
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on May 20, 2013, 10:19:53 PM
oh ok I figured.. What year? What kind of fun did they make out of it? I love this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3gd3nQNtCA they mess it up and then just start over :rollin
It was 30th Jan 2008, Sydney.
This is the best clip I could find, although the sound is messed up, and the video isn't great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9SJ92_p8fs&feature=player_detailpage#t=165s
nice
I seem to remember a video where the on stage power kept going out during the instrumental part of Metropolis.
Quote from: TheLordOfTheStrings on May 20, 2013, 11:02:04 PM
I seem to remember a video where the on stage power kept going out during the instrumental part of Metropolis.
There's one like that of Dance of Eternity- I know that
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on May 20, 2013, 11:06:39 PM
Quote from: TheLordOfTheStrings on May 20, 2013, 11:02:04 PM
I seem to remember a video where the on stage power kept going out during the instrumental part of Metropolis.
There's one like that of Dance of Eternity- I know that
Yeah that might be what I'm thinking of. Nevermind then. Ignore my post everyone! ha.
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Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on May 20, 2013, 04:21:42 PM
HECK YEA!! I just got him to mention the DVD at the stageit show!!! :tup to myself!! hahahah but he couldnt give any info :/
Yeah, well :-\ I think it's all for the better at this point. I really don't wanna know and I doubt I could understand if I was told what exactly was going on since it looks like it's both out of DT's hands and way out of OTE's hands, so, you know, I just need to know it hasn't disappeared into mid-air, and apparently it hasn't, so.
I'd be very sad if it disappeared - shush. :lol
Quote from: TheLordOfTheStrings on May 20, 2013, 11:02:04 PM
I seem to remember a video where the on stage power kept going out during the instrumental part of Metropolis.
There's also the annoying feedback during One Last Time in Live Scenes From NY :)
Portnoy's suprised expression makes me laugh everytime.
Could it be that DT want to include the single off the new album in Live at Luna Park? That would be another possible reason for the delay...what do you think folks?
That would surprise me, frankly.
Quote from: TAC on May 22, 2013, 11:06:29 AM
That would surprise me, frankly.
Yeah, the furthest I could see them going with that is like including a thing with a link in it that takes you to a page on the internet where you can hear the new single (which even that seems unlikely). But I don't see them actually including the audio file in with the DVD.
Audio file? This would be the perfect opportunity to bundle a whopping music video!
So far, this is the most reasonable explanation to me.
EDIT: The final mix and master aren't done yet, but we often get alternative versions of songs as singles from other bands. There really is nothing that would prevent them from doing a mix of a finished song and a music video of them performing it at this stage.
Quote from: me7 on May 22, 2013, 11:26:04 AM
Audio file? This would be the perfect opportunity to bundle a whopping music video!
So far, this is the most reasonable explanation to me.
EDIT: The final mix and master aren't done yet, but we often get alternative versions of songs as singles from other bands. There really is nothing that would prevent them from doing a mix of a finished song and a music video of them performing it at this stage.
Time is one thing that would prevent them. JP hasn't even done solos yet, James hasn't finished vocal tracks yet, the album hasn't been mixed or mastered yet, not to mention coming up with a video concept, putting whatever stages together they'd need for the video, plus a day of shoots, not to mention editing the video together, and THEN including it on every pressing of the DVD. I highly doubt that. They didn't even release the video for OTBOA until after ADTOE was released (granted, it was the next day, but still).
The DVD is ready, but the album isn't finished so it's too late to include the video.
i agree with the two posts above me, there is no way that's why the dvd is delayed. and if that is the reason, that is the least reasonable explanation they could have for it, and id be rather annoyed honestly. hold onto a finished product for over a month just to add a single that can be put online easier, and will be released on an album in the upcoming months? yeah that makes perfect sense ::)
The more I read the comments above, the more I agree with you all. It would be easier to upload the song and let fans download it in HQ. What's the cause for the delay then? The market is saturated with tons of new albums at this time in the year maybe. I am waiting for Jorn Lande's Traveller and Novum Initium from Masterplan. However, the one who prevents me from sleeping properly is the Holy Live at Luna Park.
Perhaps the live album is so freaking amazing that needs the creation of another digital device to be played (p.e.REDRAY) Just kidding!
HoloRay !
Petrucci's guitar comes out of the screen at you and you can ping the strings behind the nut and JP will smile and nod.
There's a man somewhere whose duty is burning the dvd's and blurays but he's quite busy watching it. I know where he lives...
I've pre ordered the deluxe edition from emp online, today an email sadly reported the release date to be the first november 2013 :censored
That's some good news!!
Quote from: Dreamer81 on May 23, 2013, 02:54:40 AM
I've pre ordered the deluxe edition from emp online, today an email sadly reported the release date to be the first november 2013 :censored
This just gets better and better.
Quote from: Dreamer81 on May 23, 2013, 02:54:40 AM
I've pre ordered the deluxe edition from emp online, today an email sadly reported the release date to be the first november 2013 :censored
Looks like you're right: https://www.emp.fi/art_260416/
Now I hope they'll release the album first... :-\
I really can't understand the delay and the silence from DT about this live album.
Even if there were production problems, they could at least tell us to know what to expect.
The trailer still has May as the expected release date, is this matter so completely out of DT's hands?
Why would they release the DVD after the new album??? ???
Quote from: nikatapi on May 23, 2013, 06:13:23 AM
I really can't understand the delay and the silence from DT about this live album.
Even if there were production problems, they could at least tell us to know what to expect.
The trailer still has May as the expected release date, is this matter so completely out of DT's hands?
Agreed. I know the band is recording the new album, but, while I have the patience to wait for this release, the band's silence in regards to the delay is very disappointing. It would literally take two minutes for one of them to give an update on social media.
Yes, that would be most welcome.
As much as I no longer respect Mike Portnoy as a person (due to blowing off a meet-and-greet that I was promised at an Adrenaline Mob show), if he was still in the band he would have let us know what was going on with the delayed release a long time ago.
I'm also finding myself increasingly put-off by the radio silence we're getting from the guys. Even given the recent decline-to-comments from JP and JR, I get the sense that fans are now on a "need to know" basis regarding any future DT news. Not really cool.
A couple of my personal guesses:
1.) Something is seriously wrong with the release, and the band can't talk about it
2.) The current version of DT are just not interested in maintaining the inclusiveness Mike Portnoy fostered with the fans
Or, it could be a bit of both, which is probably most likely.
Again, I don't mind waiting, but the silence from DT and PR statements don't really sit well with me. Can't say I like it.
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on May 20, 2013, 01:27:02 PM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 20, 2013, 01:19:30 PM
Quote from: Nekov on May 20, 2013, 11:08:31 AM
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on May 20, 2013, 10:46:27 AM
This is kind of random, but I was wondering if anyone who was at the show or talked to someone who was at the show knows- how did they do on that part in Metropolis Part 1 that they occasionally mess up? Did they nail it for the DVD?
Not sure what part they mess up normally but if you ask me Metropolis was perfect, then again, maybe I missed it in the excitement.
There is no part they mess up normally.
Thus why the great Sixdgamaticor said "occasionally" ;D
For shits and giggles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgP-WI7E3L0
We could just start flooding the FB page until we get a response... Shit. If we were able to come together and win them March Madness, we could do this no problem.
I think everything they post gets met with various comments asking for the Luna Park release date.
So, obviously, they either don't care, or haven't been reading their Facebook ;)
Quote from: Perpetual Change on May 23, 2013, 08:34:33 AM
I'm also finding myself increasingly put-off by the radio silence we're getting from the guys. Even given the recent decline-to-comments from JP and JR, I get the sense that fans are now on a "need to know" basis regarding any future DT news. Not really cool.
A couple of my personal guesses:
1.) Something is seriously wrong with the release, and the band can't talk about it
2.) The current version of DT are just not interested in maintaining the inclusiveness Mike Portnoy fostered with the fans
Or, it could be a bit of both, which is probably most likely.
Again, I don't mind waiting, but the silence from DT and PR statements don't really sit well with me. Can't say I like it.
From having direct conversations with the band on more than one occasion since the split, I can definitely say that #2 is NOT the reason. The band, and especially John Petrucci, really want to keep the fans in the loop as much as possible. Maybe not to the level the Mike did since Mike would (and still does) just say things off the cuff whenever he feels like it, but they do want the fan interaction. I can say pretty confidently that that isn't the issue.
But let me suggest a third option. I don't have any inside information about the DVD release because, frankly, I haven't asked. So I'm just guessing, but based on what I know about these kinds of processes, and about the fact that they are trying to do some new things with the DVD, here is my thought:
#3: They haven't said anything because things are in flux with the people involved in actually putting together the DVD and getting it out, and rather than release news that ends up being wrong next week when something else ends up happening that causes another delay, they are waiting until they know something concrete to give us.
It can be frustrating not only on our end, but also for the band, to have information put out there, and then have to keep retracting and changing it as other obstacles arise. I think it's a safe bet that unforseen things have popped up and that the band aren't getting answers with enough certainty that give them a comfort level that they can give us anything certain right now. Yeah, they could take a moment to let us know there is uncertainty, but I could also understand that they don't want to do that and appear like they don't have any control over the situation (even though they likely don't). I would guess it's something along those lines.
The way I see it, the remaining members of DT are much more beware about their approach to the media. None of them wants to say something until they are certain that it is exactly that (i remember that we're still waiting for a superexclusivemotherfukingbrilliantthatwill changetherulesofgravity" video content from Over The Edge that was promised on February). The problem in this case is that a reference date had already been indicated, and it was not the correct one. So in one way or another there should be an update . So we have this vicious circle where I am sure they would come out with an explanation of the problem, but they will not until they will also have the solution.
And what i mean is that I do not believe they have no interest in communicating with the fans, it's just that they have a very different way of doing this things than MP, with all their pros and cons.
EDIT: ninja'd by bosk.
Does anyone think the release of the new studio album will be predicated on Luna Park's release? In other words, will the record company want to wait, say six months between releases, possibly pushing the new album off until January?
That is my biggest concern.
Makes sense, guys. Those are really good points.
Quote from: TAC on May 23, 2013, 10:14:42 AM
Does anyone think the release of the new studio album will be predicated on Luna Park's release? In other words, will the record company want to wait, say six months between releases, possibly pushing the new album off until January?
That is my biggest concern.
Yes, this is possible. Let's hope it doesn't happen. :-\
I also don't think that the band don't care or aren't interested in interacting with us, although I would say that there's a difference between desire and reality. Whatever the issue is, it's obvious they don't feel they can talk about it. As bosk suggests, they probably can't give a firm date because things are in flux. They probably don't want to say why things are in flux because it can give too much insight into things going wrong or at least not going entirely right. MP would have been very open about that sort of thing, which is great, but then he was open about everything, which sometimes wasn't great at all. We now have very tactful and careful people running the band, which comes with both pros and cons.
Quote from: TAC on May 23, 2013, 10:14:42 AM
Does anyone think the release of the new studio album will be predicated on Luna Park's release? In other words, will the record company want to wait, say six months between releases, possibly pushing the new album off until January?
That is my biggest concern.
I could see that happening, but I hope not. That would ruin DT's cycle of releasing an album every two years. I also have high hopes for my three fav bands -- Queensrÿche, Dream Theater and Fates Warning -- all releasing albums within a few months of each other.
Quote from: wasteland on May 23, 2013, 10:24:47 AM
Quote from: TAC on May 23, 2013, 10:14:42 AM
Does anyone think the release of the new studio album will be predicated on Luna Park's release? In other words, will the record company want to wait, say six months between releases, possibly pushing the new album off until January?
That is my biggest concern.
Yes, this is possible. Let's hope it doesn't happen. :-\
I don't see this happening at all.
now the page for EMP is updated and this is what it say: Product sold out and no longer available in the future. for all the kind of releases (Deluxe,BR or DVD)...WTF?Still, no word from eagle Rock page, about the future release...IMHO there is something really wrong with the production, maybe with the distribution in EU and all over the world.
Quote from: Dreamer81 on May 23, 2013, 12:29:19 PM
now the page for EMP is updated and this is what it say: Product sold out and no longer available in the future. for all the kind of releases (Deluxe,BR or DVD)...WTF?Still, no word from eagle Rock page, about the future release...IMHO there is something really wrong with the production, maybe with the distribution in EU and all over the world.
I hope they will send you a refund immediately.
That sucks Dreamer but, honestly, I've never understood why companies offer pre-orders weeks/months/years before products are actually released, and I've always wondered who actually falls for that, and why. I mean, unless the company your ordering from is offering some nice exclusive content, are you really that willing to hand over your money for something as soon as possible?
Quote from: TAC on May 23, 2013, 10:14:42 AM
Does anyone think the release of the new studio album will be predicated on Luna Park's release? In other words, will the record company want to wait, say six months between releases, possibly pushing the new album off until January?
That is my biggest concern.
Other way round, I reckon. Very possible they could stagger the release dates for maximum revenue, but I think it seems far, far, far more likely that they'd delay the DVD and release the CD on normal schedule. Perhaps releasing the DVD in November, as has been rumoured, and has also been suggested as a month they might not be touring.
Quote from: ariich on May 23, 2013, 10:24:48 AM
I also don't think that the band don't care or aren't interested in interacting with us, although I would say that there's a difference between desire and reality. Whatever the issue is, it's obvious they don't feel they can talk about it. As bosk suggests, they probably can't give a firm date because things are in flux. They probably don't want to say why things are in flux because it can give too much insight into things going wrong or at least not going entirely right. MP would have been very open about that sort of thing, which is great, but then he was open about everything, which sometimes wasn't great at all. We now have very tactful and careful people running the band, which comes with both pros and cons.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on May 23, 2013, 12:54:53 PM
That sucks Dreamer but, honestly, I've never understood why companies offer pre-orders weeks/months/years before products are actually released, and I've always wondered who actually falls for that, and why. I mean, unless the company your ordering from is offering some nice exclusive content, are you really that willing to hand over your money for something as soon as possible?
That cracks me up as well. Kind of like the people who run and order a CD as soon as it goes on sale online and then it never fails: they receive it like a week after the street date, while those of us who are smart simply waited and got it on the release date at Best Buy or from amazon. But hey, at least they can say they pre-ordered it first. :rollin :rollin
Quote from: KevShmev on May 23, 2013, 02:17:24 PM
Quote from: Perpetual Change on May 23, 2013, 12:54:53 PM
That sucks Dreamer but, honestly, I've never understood why companies offer pre-orders weeks/months/years before products are actually released, and I've always wondered who actually falls for that, and why. I mean, unless the company your ordering from is offering some nice exclusive content, are you really that willing to hand over your money for something as soon as possible?
That cracks me up as well. Kind of like the people who run and order a CD as soon as it goes on sale online and then it never fails: they receive it like a week after the street date, while those of us who are smart simply waited and got it on the release date at Best Buy or from amazon. But hey, at least they can say they pre-ordered it first. :rollin :rollin
Depends. Most of the time, I agree that there is not only no incentive to pre-order, but actually a disincentive for the reasons you mention. But I can think of a couple of exceptions:
1. Where the pre-order is done through the band's own label or distribution company or website, and if you order from them, the band gets a bigger cut from the album sale than if you buy it from a brick & mortar store or a big online distributor. Even if the album is only on time or a little bit late, I will sometimes do this because it benefits the band.
2. Where they offer exclusive packages, such as with the Queensryche preorder packages right now. And the package is supposed to arrive early. But even if it is right on time or just a bit late, I'm cool with that and just want the extras.
I live about 15 minutes away from Over the Edge. Maybe I will just pop in and ask :)
Quote from: The Trooper on May 23, 2013, 03:07:14 PM
I live about 15 minutes away from Over the Edge. Maybe I will just pop in and ask :)
Make sure to leave the best wishes from DTF if you do :D
(granades are appropriate)
Thanks to The Trooper For The Attacks !
haha, will do. I actually may be the next town over tomorrow to meet a client. So maybe I will make a grenade drop by.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on May 23, 2013, 08:34:33 AM
2.) The current version of DT are just not interested in maintaining the inclusiveness Mike Portnoy fostered with the fans
Honestly- Wow. ridiculous. The DVD is being held up because they're trying to put SO much on the DVD. They're trying to fill it completely up so WE can see TONS of extras. https://vimeo.com/66857833 17:00
Dude, chill.
Quote from: bosk1 on May 23, 2013, 09:20:55 AM
#3: They haven't said anything because things are in flux with the people involved in actually putting together the DVD and getting it out, and rather than release news that ends up being wrong next week when something else ends up happening that causes another delay, they are waiting until they know something concrete to give us.
It can be frustrating not only on our end, but also for the band, to have information put out there, and then have to keep retracting and changing it as other obstacles arise. I think it's a safe bet that unforseen things have popped up and that the band aren't getting answers with enough certainty that give them a comfort level that they can give us anything certain right now. Yeah, they could take a moment to let us know there is uncertainty, but I could also understand that they don't want to do that and appear like they don't have any control over the situation (even though they likely don't). I would guess it's something along those lines.
This all might be true, but a message like, "Sorry for the delay on the DVD/Blu-Ray, DT fans, but it's coming very soon, and trust us, it will be worth the wait! Just be a little more patient!" would take about a minute to type and post on FB or twitter. And fans would appreciate the band at least addressing the issue, instead of saying nothing.
Quote from: bosk1 on May 23, 2013, 03:03:14 PM
Quote from: KevShmev on May 23, 2013, 02:17:24 PM
Quote from: Perpetual Change on May 23, 2013, 12:54:53 PM
That sucks Dreamer but, honestly, I've never understood why companies offer pre-orders weeks/months/years before products are actually released, and I've always wondered who actually falls for that, and why. I mean, unless the company your ordering from is offering some nice exclusive content, are you really that willing to hand over your money for something as soon as possible?
That cracks me up as well. Kind of like the people who run and order a CD as soon as it goes on sale online and then it never fails: they receive it like a week after the street date, while those of us who are smart simply waited and got it on the release date at Best Buy or from amazon. But hey, at least they can say they pre-ordered it first. :rollin :rollin
Depends. Most of the time, I agree that there is not only no incentive to pre-order, but actually a disincentive for the reasons you mention. But I can think of a couple of exceptions:
1. Where the pre-order is done through the band's own label or distribution company or website, and if you order from them, the band gets a bigger cut from the album sale than if you buy it from a brick & mortar store or a big online distributor. Even if the album is only on time or a little bit late, I will sometimes do this because it benefits the band.
2. Where they offer exclusive packages, such as with the Queensryche preorder packages right now. And the package is supposed to arrive early. But even if it is right on time or just a bit late, I'm cool with that and just want the extras.
Yep, those are two exceptions, but I can't count how many times I've seen online fans pissing and moaning about not getting a CD for close to week, that they could have picked up anywhere the second it was released at a local store. Pre-ordering something that you won't get before the release date is pretty meaningless most of the time, but it's like some fans freak out that it will sell out immediately and they want to make sure they will get their copy bought and paid for.
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on May 23, 2013, 05:07:04 PM
Quote from: Perpetual Change on May 23, 2013, 08:34:33 AM
2.) The current version of DT are just not interested in maintaining the inclusiveness Mike Portnoy fostered with the fans
Honestly- Wow. ridiculous. The DVD is being held up because they're trying to put SO much on the DVD. They're trying to fill it completely up so WE can see TONS of extras. https://vimeo.com/66857833 17:00
Where in that video does Mangini address the DVD (I am not watching the whole thing now)?
Quote from: Perpetual Change on May 23, 2013, 05:15:26 PM
Dude, chill.
ok sorry I'll calm down. I almost punched a hole in my wall there over your comment!
Quote from: KevShmev on May 23, 2013, 05:28:14 PM
Where in that video does Mangini address the DVD (I am not watching the whole thing now)?
17:00
I get that there's times when preordering makes sense, thanks to incentives or just putting more money into the band's comment if you want to support them more, but why anyone would pre-order Luna Park before a release date was announced while very little is even known about what the package includes is beyond me.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on May 23, 2013, 06:23:37 PM
I get that there's times when preordering makes sense, thanks to incentives or just putting more money into the band's comment if you want to support them more, but why anyone would pre-order Luna Park before a release date was announced while very little is even known about what the package includes is beyond me.
Exactly. I would wait until we have a concrete answer as to what we're getting in the package and when we'll get it.
Quote from: Kotowboy on May 23, 2013, 03:52:12 PM
Thanks to The Trooper For The Attacks !
:lol :rollin
My excitement is slowly dying ._.
In march i was like ;D :metal :rollin
Now I'm more like whaeva :3
Quote from: wasteland on May 23, 2013, 12:38:10 PM
Quote from: Dreamer81 on May 23, 2013, 12:29:19 PM
now the page for EMP is updated and this is what it say: Product sold out and no longer available in the future. for all the kind of releases (Deluxe,BR or DVD)...WTF?Still, no word from eagle Rock page, about the future release...IMHO there is something really wrong with the production, maybe with the distribution in EU and all over the world.
I hope they will send you a refund immediately.
Well, they charge the price when they send the item just like amazon, so you can cancel the preorder at any time without problems:. Not a big deal for me, I want just to know what's happening :D
Quote from: KevShmev on May 23, 2013, 05:27:31 PM
Quote from: bosk1 on May 23, 2013, 09:20:55 AM
#3: They haven't said anything because things are in flux with the people involved in actually putting together the DVD and getting it out, and rather than release news that ends up being wrong next week when something else ends up happening that causes another delay, they are waiting until they know something concrete to give us.
It can be frustrating not only on our end, but also for the band, to have information put out there, and then have to keep retracting and changing it as other obstacles arise. I think it's a safe bet that unforseen things have popped up and that the band aren't getting answers with enough certainty that give them a comfort level that they can give us anything certain right now. Yeah, they could take a moment to let us know there is uncertainty, but I could also understand that they don't want to do that and appear like they don't have any control over the situation (even though they likely don't). I would guess it's something along those lines.
This all might be true, but a message like, "Sorry for the delay on the DVD/Blu-Ray, DT fans, but it's coming very soon, and trust us, it will be worth the wait! Just be a little more patient!" would take about a minute to type and post on FB or twitter. And fans would appreciate the band at least addressing the issue, instead of saying nothing.
Yeah, but just think about it. The first time we got the date was from the Eagle Rock trailer, and only when it leaked prematurely, when they re-released it there was no "May" in the video description. Then we had OTE prematurely estimating stuff, and the Mattivision (sorry if I misspelled) trailer was the only one that definitely mentioned May. Then we had all these distros and the range of dates from May through July and June to November. None of these announcements came from Dream Theater themselves.
The number and type of fans which get all their DT news through what they post on social media and who don't pay much attention to those either would go "what DVD?" or "what delay?" at that announcement. For all the rest of us, there's inties with two members of DT (JP, MM) which basically said that the DVD hasn't vanished into thin air, and that they don't know anything about a release date now but it's full of awesome stuff, different to anything they've done before, that the difference is the reason (or one of the reasons) why it's taking so long and that we just need to be patient. And JR through his Twitter and during his StageIt performance confirming basically the same thing. So that's 3/5 of DT telling us what they can about the DVD.
Even though every day without info delays the DVD further, and even though they're probably fully aware of that fact, imagine if they said something as vague as "yeah we don't know what's going on with our new DVD or at least we can't tell you right now but it is coming out and you'll get it sometime this year I guess" as an official announcement? Even worse, imagine if a day or two after that they got whatever green light they're waiting for and then be like "yeah uhm scratch that". They're just waiting for concrete info to tell us, very likely, and the fact they don't have it now is the source of my frustration (even though a couple of pages ago I posted something similar to the post I'm quoting).
^^ great post :tup
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on May 24, 2013, 02:36:32 AM
Yeah, but just think about it. The first time we got the date was from the Eagle Rock trailer, and only when it leaked prematurely, when they re-released it there was no "May" in the video description. Then we had OTE prematurely estimating stuff, and the Mattivision (sorry if I misspelled) trailer was the only one that definitely mentioned May. Then we had all these distros and the range of dates from May through July and June to November. None of these announcements came from Dream Theater themselves.
The number and type of fans which get all their DT news through what they post on social media and who don't pay much attention to those either would go "what DVD?" or "what delay?" at that announcement. For all the rest of us, there's inties with two members of DT (JP, MM) which basically said that the DVD hasn't vanished into thin air, and that they don't know anything about a release date now but it's full of awesome stuff, different to anything they've done before, that the difference is the reason (or one of the reasons) why it's taking so long and that we just need to be patient. And JR through his Twitter and during his StageIt performance confirming basically the same thing. So that's 3/5 of DT telling us what they can about the DVD.
Even though every day without info delays the DVD further, and even though they're probably fully aware of that fact, imagine if they said something as vague as "yeah we don't know what's going on with our new DVD or at least we can't tell you right now but it is coming out and you'll get it sometime this year I guess" as an official announcement? Even worse, imagine if a day or two after that they got whatever green light they're waiting for and then be like "yeah uhm scratch that". They're just waiting for concrete info to tell us, very likely, and the fact they don't have it now is the source of my frustration (even though a couple of pages ago I posted something similar to the post I'm quoting).
Spot on, gal - WELL said. :hefdaddy :heart
Quote from: DebraKadabra on May 24, 2013, 04:17:08 AM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on May 24, 2013, 02:36:32 AM
Yeah, but just think about it. The first time we got the date was from the Eagle Rock trailer, and only when it leaked prematurely, when they re-released it there was no "May" in the video description. Then we had OTE prematurely estimating stuff, and the Mattivision (sorry if I misspelled) trailer was the only one that definitely mentioned May. Then we had all these distros and the range of dates from May through July and June to November. None of these announcements came from Dream Theater themselves.
The number and type of fans which get all their DT news through what they post on social media and who don't pay much attention to those either would go "what DVD?" or "what delay?" at that announcement. For all the rest of us, there's inties with two members of DT (JP, MM) which basically said that the DVD hasn't vanished into thin air, and that they don't know anything about a release date now but it's full of awesome stuff, different to anything they've done before, that the difference is the reason (or one of the reasons) why it's taking so long and that we just need to be patient. And JR through his Twitter and during his StageIt performance confirming basically the same thing. So that's 3/5 of DT telling us what they can about the DVD.
Even though every day without info delays the DVD further, and even though they're probably fully aware of that fact, imagine if they said something as vague as "yeah we don't know what's going on with our new DVD or at least we can't tell you right now but it is coming out and you'll get it sometime this year I guess" as an official announcement? Even worse, imagine if a day or two after that they got whatever green light they're waiting for and then be like "yeah uhm scratch that". They're just waiting for concrete info to tell us, very likely, and the fact they don't have it now is the source of my frustration (even though a couple of pages ago I posted something similar to the post I'm quoting).
Spot on, gal - WELL said. :hefdaddy :heart
EXACTLY! Just because we have all the insider information, we shouldn't lose our perspective.
Quote from: Another_Won on May 24, 2013, 05:35:23 AM
Quote from: DebraKadabra on May 24, 2013, 04:17:08 AM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on May 24, 2013, 02:36:32 AM
Yeah, but just think about it. The first time we got the date was from the Eagle Rock trailer, and only when it leaked prematurely, when they re-released it there was no "May" in the video description. Then we had OTE prematurely estimating stuff, and the Mattivision (sorry if I misspelled) trailer was the only one that definitely mentioned May. Then we had all these distros and the range of dates from May through July and June to November. None of these announcements came from Dream Theater themselves.
The number and type of fans which get all their DT news through what they post on social media and who don't pay much attention to those either would go "what DVD?" or "what delay?" at that announcement. For all the rest of us, there's inties with two members of DT (JP, MM) which basically said that the DVD hasn't vanished into thin air, and that they don't know anything about a release date now but it's full of awesome stuff, different to anything they've done before, that the difference is the reason (or one of the reasons) why it's taking so long and that we just need to be patient. And JR through his Twitter and during his StageIt performance confirming basically the same thing. So that's 3/5 of DT telling us what they can about the DVD.
Even though every day without info delays the DVD further, and even though they're probably fully aware of that fact, imagine if they said something as vague as "yeah we don't know what's going on with our new DVD or at least we can't tell you right now but it is coming out and you'll get it sometime this year I guess" as an official announcement? Even worse, imagine if a day or two after that they got whatever green light they're waiting for and then be like "yeah uhm scratch that". They're just waiting for concrete info to tell us, very likely, and the fact they don't have it now is the source of my frustration (even though a couple of pages ago I posted something similar to the post I'm quoting).
Spot on, gal - WELL said. :hefdaddy :heart
EXACTLY! Just because we have all the insider information, we shouldn't lose our perspective.
Dream Theater's official YouTube says May...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gABECAxp58w&sns=em
.. And so does DT.net
(https://imageshack.us/a/img854/8495/imagehwg.jpg)
^Yes, but the kind of fans Milena was talking about in the part you bolded probably haven't even seen that trailer.
I must admit that I'm an obsessive-compulsive person and I'm becoming obsessed with this freaking awesome DVD. DT live sound is the best ever. I wouldn't have worried with chaos in motion DVD being postponed because it is, in my opinión, the worst live I've ever watched from a well-known band.
OTE on facebook-
"To the Dream Theater fans in reference to the many requests to release some information on when the Live at Luna Park DVD & BluRay will be released: We only produce the content and make it look awesome.. we don't have control over when it gets released, that's completely up to many other people like the band, their management, their label and distribution. All we know is that it's done and it looks and sounds incredible. A lot of work by the band went into mixing the live audio and it is by FAR one of the best live mixes we've ever heard!! Please stop asking us for more info on the release date. We honestly don't know. We will of course release any info that we're allowed to release, because hey... we're just as excited for it to be released as you are!!"
https://www.facebook.com/OverTheEdgeProductions/posts/513931148665518
Not a step forward, and that was expected, but still some good infos about what we are going to find on that bloody DVD. I like that the band took the time to personally oversee the mixing and that the outcome was phnomnal. :)
even better than their last DVD, Score.
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on May 24, 2013, 04:11:58 PM
even better than their last DVD, Score.
I know! I have known since before the DVD was shot that the chances were very high to have their best live release ever.
Quote from: wasteland on May 24, 2013, 04:13:26 PM
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on May 24, 2013, 04:11:58 PM
even better than their last DVD, Score.
I know! I have known since before the DVD was shot that the chances were very high to have their best live release ever.
The technologic advances alone would have proven that this should be thier best live advance at least in terms of video and audio.
wait a sec, I can't tell- did the joke just go over both of your heads?
Thanks to Over The Edge for the facts.
Quote from: Meatrose on May 24, 2013, 04:20:32 PM
Thanks to Over The Edge for the facts.
I just commented that on their post :lol hope you don't mind lol
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on May 24, 2013, 04:19:06 PM
wait a sec, I can't tell- did the joke just go over both of your heads?
Haha, I just noticed now. There's enough hate for CiM that people actually ignore it. :lol
Quote from: GasparXR on May 24, 2013, 04:58:10 PM
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on May 24, 2013, 04:19:06 PM
wait a sec, I can't tell- did the joke just go over both of your heads?
Haha, I just noticed now. There's enough hate for CiM that people actually ignore it. :lol
Yes. And JLB said "our last DVD, Score" in an interview, too.
I just hope its nothing to do with this 360 app. I mean, its merely a gimmick that I wont be using and it seems to only be for 6:00 too. Give me the concert, give me a docu maybe and thats all I need at the end of the day, but if these 'new, never done before' special features are gonna be a problem, dont bother with em!
Maybe we should flood Eagle Rock Entertainments Facebook-page with questions about the whereabouts of Live at Luna Park? Since it's them who's responsible for the publishing of it.
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on May 24, 2013, 02:36:32 AM
Yeah, but just think about it. The first time we got the date was from the Eagle Rock trailer, and only when it leaked prematurely, when they re-released it there was no "May" in the video description. Then we had OTE prematurely estimating stuff, and the Mattivision (sorry if I misspelled) trailer was the only one that definitely mentioned May. Then we had all these distros and the range of dates from May through July and June to November. None of these announcements came from Dream Theater themselves.
The number and type of fans which get all their DT news through what they post on social media and who don't pay much attention to those either would go "what DVD?" or "what delay?" at that announcement. For all the rest of us, there's inties with two members of DT (JP, MM) which basically said that the DVD hasn't vanished into thin air, and that they don't know anything about a release date now but it's full of awesome stuff, different to anything they've done before, that the difference is the reason (or one of the reasons) why it's taking so long and that we just need to be patient. And JR through his Twitter and during his StageIt performance confirming basically the same thing. So that's 3/5 of DT telling us what they can about the DVD.
Even though every day without info delays the DVD further, and even though they're probably fully aware of that fact, imagine if they said something as vague as "yeah we don't know what's going on with our new DVD or at least we can't tell you right now but it is coming out and you'll get it sometime this year I guess" as an official announcement? Even worse, imagine if a day or two after that they got whatever green light they're waiting for and then be like "yeah uhm scratch that". They're just waiting for concrete info to tell us, very likely, and the fact they don't have it now is the source of my frustration (even though a couple of pages ago I posted something similar to the post I'm quoting).
You know what? You consistently make so much sense, and express yourself so eloquently, that I've decided you're basically a female version of robwebster.
ALL HAIL THE FEMALE SERBIAN ROBWEBSTER.
Truth be spoken.
Quote from: ariich on May 25, 2013, 01:54:31 AM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on May 24, 2013, 02:36:32 AM
Yeah, but just think about it. The first time we got the date was from the Eagle Rock trailer, and only when it leaked prematurely, when they re-released it there was no "May" in the video description. Then we had OTE prematurely estimating stuff, and the Mattivision (sorry if I misspelled) trailer was the only one that definitely mentioned May. Then we had all these distros and the range of dates from May through July and June to November. None of these announcements came from Dream Theater themselves.
The number and type of fans which get all their DT news through what they post on social media and who don't pay much attention to those either would go "what DVD?" or "what delay?" at that announcement. For all the rest of us, there's inties with two members of DT (JP, MM) which basically said that the DVD hasn't vanished into thin air, and that they don't know anything about a release date now but it's full of awesome stuff, different to anything they've done before, that the difference is the reason (or one of the reasons) why it's taking so long and that we just need to be patient. And JR through his Twitter and during his StageIt performance confirming basically the same thing. So that's 3/5 of DT telling us what they can about the DVD.
Even though every day without info delays the DVD further, and even though they're probably fully aware of that fact, imagine if they said something as vague as "yeah we don't know what's going on with our new DVD or at least we can't tell you right now but it is coming out and you'll get it sometime this year I guess" as an official announcement? Even worse, imagine if a day or two after that they got whatever green light they're waiting for and then be like "yeah uhm scratch that". They're just waiting for concrete info to tell us, very likely, and the fact they don't have it now is the source of my frustration (even though a couple of pages ago I posted something similar to the post I'm quoting).
You know what? You consistently make so much sense, and express yourself so eloquently, that I've decided you're basically a female version of robwebster.
ALL HAIL THE FEMALE SERBIAN ROBWEBSTER.
:femalerobwebster:
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Yeah, but just think about it. The first time we got the date was from the Eagle Rock trailer, and only when it leaked prematurely, when they re-released it there was no "May" in the video description. Then we had OTE prematurely estimating stuff, and the Mattivision (sorry if I misspelled) trailer was the only one that definitely mentioned May. Then we had all these distros and the range of dates from May through July and June to November. None of these announcements came from Dream Theater themselves.
The number and type of fans which get all their DT news through what they post on social media and who don't pay much attention to those either would go "what DVD?" or "what delay?" at that announcement. For all the rest of us, there's inties with two members of DT (JP, MM) which basically said that the DVD hasn't vanished into thin air, and that they don't know anything about a release date now but it's full of awesome stuff, different to anything they've done before, that the difference is the reason (or one of the reasons) why it's taking so long and that we just need to be patient. And JR through his Twitter and during his StageIt performance confirming basically the same thing. So that's 3/5 of DT telling us what they can about the DVD.
Even though every day without info delays the DVD further, and even though they're probably fully aware of that fact, imagine if they said something as vague as "yeah we don't know what's going on with our new DVD or at least we can't tell you right now but it is coming out and you'll get it sometime this year I guess" as an official announcement? Even worse, imagine if a day or two after that they got whatever green light they're waiting for and then be like "yeah uhm scratch that". They're just waiting for concrete info to tell us, very likely, and the fact they don't have it now is the source of my frustration (even though a couple of pages ago I posted something similar to the post I'm quoting).
You know what? You consistently make so much sense, and express yourself so eloquently, that I've decided you're basically a female version of robwebster.
ALL HAIL THE FEMALE SERBIAN ROBWEBSTER.
:femalerobwebster:
(https://i.imgur.com/1cZD6ON.jpg)
Hahahaha!
Better still: :robwebstress: or :robinwebster:
Probably the last sentence of her is the most relevant piece of speculation of this whole thread. This whole situation has offered compelling hints that they don't have the information right now of when the album is going to be released, assuming it's ready for going off (which wouldn't we don't know - we would assume it is judging from OTE's posts, but then MM's latest interview seemed to imply otherwise).
If this is due to the project having hit some kind of wall or because things are in flux as I think bosk suggested, it remains to be seen. Of course I believe everyone here would root for the second option. :)
:robwebstress: :rollin
OTE (summary of their last post on pacebook page): Don't post any comment about Live at Luna Park 'cause we have taken offense. However, we feel proud of having uploaded irrelevant facts and pictures of our crew enjoying the first ever bluray.
Where do you read that they've taken offense?
"To the Dream Theater fans in reference to the many requests to release some information on when the Live at Luna Park DVD & BluRay will be released: We only produce the content and make it look awesome.. we don't have control over when it gets released, that's completely up to many other people like the band, their management, their label and distribution. All we know is that it's done and it looks and sounds incredible. A lot of work by the band went into mixing the live audio and it is by FAR one of the best live mixes we've ever heard!! Please stop asking us for more info on the release date. We honestly don't know. We will of course release any info that we're allowed to release, because hey... we're just as excited for it to be released as you are!!"
From this statement and the overall personal impression of their previous ones. Perhaps the word I was looking for was closer to bothered/blamed instead of offense. They promised some behind the scenes footage back in feb-march.I think that maybe they have gone further than they were allowed to.
I think it's ridiculous that people were asking OTE about the release date - obviously the people who filmed the concert are the ones who will release the DVD... ::)
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You know what? You consistently make so much sense, and express yourself so eloquently, that I've decided you're basically a female version of robwebster.
ALL HAIL THE FEMALE SERBIAN ROBWEBSTER.
:femalerobwebster:
(https://i.imgur.com/1cZD6ON.jpg)
:'( :heart :blush :blush :blush :blush
QuoteYou know what? You consistently make so much sense, and express yourself so eloquently, that I've decided you're basically a female version of robwebster.
ALL HAIL THE FEMALE SERBIAN ROBWEBSTER.
I try my best as well you know ! :angry:
Maybe I am the demi-rob.
That's on a good day. Normally I am DUH I TYPING :loser:
Does anyone know when in May the Blu Ray hits the stores?
Quote from: freefaln on May 25, 2013, 11:55:25 AM
Does anyone know when in May the Blu Ray hits the stores?
It's not going to hit the stores in May. We don't have an official release date yet.
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Does anyone know when in May the Blu Ray hits the stores?
Probably sometime in between May 60th and May 90th.
Quote from: freefaln on May 25, 2013, 11:55:25 AM
Does anyone know when in May the Blu Ray hits the stores?
Dunno about stores, but my preorder arrived today. Amazing disc, you should go to your local store three times per day and ask them if they just got it.
I'm confused...
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Quote from: freefaln on May 25, 2013, 11:55:25 AM
Does anyone know when in May the Blu Ray hits the stores?
Dunno about stores, but my preorder arrived today. Amazing disc, you should go to your local store three times per day and ask them if they just got it.
loltroll
I think they were printing in the same place a I&W cuz PMU cuts off abruptly at the end :sadpanda:
Let's hope for a vinyl remaster that fixes the PMU cutoff. They can put the audio on vinyl and the video on a silent BluRay - with a countdown at the beginning that helps you to start your vinyl at the same time as the concert commences.
Lossless digital audio doesn't do DT justice anyway, we need the proper vinyl sound to hear all the frequencies above 22 kHz JMX is playing.
I've watched some tracks from the concert in Buenos Aires and they sounded phenomenal! James...Oh my freaking God...his performance is flawless. Folks, the bluray is gonna be awesome. No matter how long we have to wait to get it in our hands.
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Quote from: freefaln on May 25, 2013, 11:55:25 AM
Does anyone know when in May the Blu Ray hits the stores?
Dunno about stores, but my preorder arrived today. Amazing disc, you should go to your local store three times per day and ask them if they just got it.
Do you really have a copy? If so, please give us as much info as possible about the tracklist and try to put some of it onto YouTube!
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_7692_1368940630.jpeg)
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Quote from: freefaln on May 25, 2013, 11:55:25 AM
Does anyone know when in May the Blu Ray hits the stores?
Dunno about stores, but my preorder arrived today. Amazing disc, you should go to your local store three times per day and ask them if they just got it.
Do you really have a copy? If so, please give us as much info as possible about the tracklist and try to put some of it onto YouTube!
Haha, I'll be slightly more helpful than DarkLord (assuming you aren't being sarcastic).
A. He was just joking
B. We know the whole setlist already
C. Talking about or asking about putting parts of the DVD on YouTube that aren't posting by an official YouTube channel (i.e. the band, OverTheEdge, etc.) is against the forum's terms of service.
Whenever it is released, it will be mine. Watched interview with Mangini today. He's quite the mathematician. I can't wait to see what HE came up with...no drum machine on any of these songs. It's all him and the unique collaboration that IS DT!!
Mangini says they are trying to fill the dvd/bluray up with plenty of interesting content and that's taking time. OTE say the product is finished and ready for release...I just don't understand anything.
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Quote from: freefaln on May 25, 2013, 11:55:25 AM
Does anyone know when in May the Blu Ray hits the stores?
Dunno about stores, but my preorder arrived today. Amazing disc, you should go to your local store three times per day and ask them if they just got it.
Do you really have a copy? If so, please give us as much info as possible about the tracklist and try to put some of it onto YouTube!
Haha, I'll be slightly more helpful than DarkLord (assuming you aren't being sarcastic).
A. He was just joking
B. We know the whole setlist already
C. Talking about or asking about putting parts of the DVD on YouTube that aren't posting by an official YouTube channel (i.e. the band, OverTheEdge, etc.) is against the forum's terms of service.
I still don't know which songs are going to be part of the main feature and which if any will just be bonus tracks.
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Quote from: JoshuaB2112 on May 25, 2013, 06:16:50 PM
Quote from: me7 on May 25, 2013, 01:35:15 PM
Quote from: freefaln on May 25, 2013, 11:55:25 AM
Does anyone know when in May the Blu Ray hits the stores?
Dunno about stores, but my preorder arrived today. Amazing disc, you should go to your local store three times per day and ask them if they just got it.
Do you really have a copy? If so, please give us as much info as possible about the tracklist and try to put some of it onto YouTube!
Haha, I'll be slightly more helpful than DarkLord (assuming you aren't being sarcastic).
A. He was just joking
B. We know the whole setlist already
C. Talking about or asking about putting parts of the DVD on YouTube that aren't posting by an official YouTube channel (i.e. the band, OverTheEdge, etc.) is against the forum's terms of service.
I still don't know which songs are going to be part of the main feature and which if any will just be bonus tracks.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36531.0
As far as we know, this is what will be included on the main feature, and which songs will be extras.
Quote from: Zydar on May 25, 2013, 03:17:30 AM
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Quote from: ariich on May 25, 2013, 01:54:31 AM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on May 24, 2013, 02:36:32 AM
You know what? You consistently make so much sense, and express yourself so eloquently, that I've decided you're basically a female version of robwebster.
ALL HAIL THE FEMALE SERBIAN ROBWEBSTER.
:femalerobwebster:
(https://i.imgur.com/1cZD6ON.jpg)
:lol Beautiful.
I've never had a distaff Balkan counterpart, before. Nifty!
And, yes, wonderfully said.
Quote from: JoshuaB2112 on May 25, 2013, 10:03:50 PM
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Quote from: JoshuaB2112 on May 25, 2013, 06:16:50 PM
Quote from: me7 on May 25, 2013, 01:35:15 PM
Quote from: freefaln on May 25, 2013, 11:55:25 AM
Does anyone know when in May the Blu Ray hits the stores?
Dunno about stores, but my preorder arrived today. Amazing disc, you should go to your local store three times per day and ask them if they just got it.
Do you really have a copy? If so, please give us as much info as possible about the tracklist and try to put some of it onto YouTube!
Haha, I'll be slightly more helpful than DarkLord (assuming you aren't being sarcastic).
A. He was just joking
B. We know the whole setlist already
C. Talking about or asking about putting parts of the DVD on YouTube that aren't posting by an official YouTube channel (i.e. the band, OverTheEdge, etc.) is against the forum's terms of service.
I still don't know which songs are going to be part of the main feature and which if any will just be bonus tracks.
I don't buy the set list thing there. I believe it makes sense for them to use the best of the 2 performances while keeping the order relatively similar. If you're putting something out there why wouldn't you use your best. As an example on one of the 2 nights, Mangini flubbed his tom roll section of his solo, I'd bet that part wouldn't be in there.
I'm not gonna say how I know this, but I do know that 5:52 of Outcry was also neater the second night.. This is all stuff they could it's fix up, but I would really rather they didn't. I'm really hoping they don't touch James' voice at all.
I fully agree with you. James' vocals sounded terrible in Chaos in Motion. Too much processing. His performance don't need to be touched at all. I want it to be natural. His voice is beautiful and recovered nowadays
Quote from: Labrie1984 on May 26, 2013, 09:57:08 AM
I fully agree with you. James' vocals sounded terrible in Chaos in Motion. Too much processing. His performance don't need to be touched at all. I want it to be natural. His voice is beautiful and recovered nowadays
I might actually make a thread about this. the way tuning of vocals works is that you can just hit the auto tune button like in Garage Band, and it will tune every note a singer hits to the pitch it is closest to. But this will make that snapping from pitch to pitch sound like in hip hop music. There are ways to get around that when done more professionally where each note is tuned specifically, and it doesn't sound unnatural, and unfortunately pretty much EVERYONE including DT uses this nowadays. It sounds like a real voice, but changes the singer's tone if you listen carefully.
On Score, to me it sounds like they carefully went through each song and used this second kind so that it sounds natural, but if you know James' voice really well, you can tell he sounds a little too perfect.
On CiM, it blows me away more and more every time I hear it, I just CAN'T EVEN BELIEVE they released it sounding like this. They just used the first kind and the voice snaps from pitch to pitch, and sometimes EVEN THE WRONG PITCH! Like for instance, if James is singing a G but it's a little sharp, it might auto tune him to an A if thats the next note in the scale. But not only that, they also messed with the frequencies somehow so he sounds like he's singing through the telephone answering machine and it's incredibly nasal. He sang so well on that tour, I just can't even... They ruined his voice and released it, and now people think he actually sounds that bad..
I hope on this DVD they use neither and we can hear it exactly how it was on those two great nights. But I have a bad feeling that they will fix up some notes, but they will fix them on not make them worse.
It's almost guaranteed that they will use the second kind of pitch correction you mentioned, however from the clip of 6:00 that Mativision released on YouTube, it sounds like his voice still very much sounds like he should which is good. Even on Score I felt that his voice didn't sound like he normally does, although it's very insignificant there considering his performance was mindblowing and it doesn't sound bad.
I think the same way. The pirate doesn't need autotune or similar tools. His voice is gorgeous and unique (very personal). I don't mind if there are some mistaken notes. He's human and that's how I want it to be. Instrumental tracks are also modified but the changes are less noticeable.
There's something I don't like about DT recent albums in relation to vocals. I LOVE James' live vibrato and I miss them on the studio albums. I hope Live at Luna Park makes his vibratos the justice they deserve from my point of view.
oh yea and that's the other thing- on CiM, it autotunes his thick vibrato (Blind Faith chorus for example) to snap to notes above and below the pitch so rather than sounding like the greatest vibrato in the world (which it is), it sounds incredibly obnoxious. The really "professional" autotune often keeps vibrato on the same note, which will sound almost natural, but a good listener can say "something sounds different and machine-like but I can't tell what or why."
It's because natural vibrato changes the pitch anywhere from less than half of a half step to what James occasionally does, an entire full step. But, it has to have smooth sliding and every wave should be consistent and even in size for any particular note.
and to be a little more specific, the pitch wave can go either above the note and back, below and back, or both- going above and below (around) the note.
Quote from: Labrie1984 on May 26, 2013, 09:57:08 AM
I fully agree with you. James' vocals sounded terrible in Chaos in Motion. Too much processing. His performance don't need to be touched at all. I want it to be natural. His voice is beautiful and recovered nowadays
I'm pretty sure they will have made an A/B comparison, meaning the untouched original will have been worse than the processed version.
Quote from: rumborak on May 26, 2013, 03:57:51 PM
Quote from: Labrie1984 on May 26, 2013, 09:57:08 AM
I fully agree with you. James' vocals sounded terrible in Chaos in Motion. Too much processing. His performance don't need to be touched at all. I want it to be natural. His voice is beautiful and recovered nowadays
I'm pretty sure they will have made an A/B comparison, meaning the untouched original will have been worse than the processed version.
The bootlegs from that tour sound positively better. It could be an instance of "wishful blanks-filling", but it could also mean that he
did sound better than he appears on CiM.
I just listened to Blind Faith from CiM, I can't really say I noticed any blatant auto-tuning. I noticed a shit-ton of bad intonation, sure. I think what some people here attribute to an overactive autotuner is in fact James just being all over the place.
Quote from: rumborak on May 26, 2013, 03:57:51 PM
Quote from: Labrie1984 on May 26, 2013, 09:57:08 AM
I fully agree with you. James' vocals sounded terrible in Chaos in Motion. Too much processing. His performance don't need to be touched at all. I want it to be natural. His voice is beautiful and recovered nowadays
I'm pretty sure they will have made an A/B comparison, meaning the untouched original will have been worse than the processed version.
If they would have made an A/B comparison, they would have chosen the original. Maybe they did, but one stupid guy chose B or something.
Quote from: rumborak on May 26, 2013, 04:06:23 PM
I think what some people here attribute to an overactive autotuner is in fact James just being all over the place.
I study James LaBrie's voice all day every day. I've slowed down recordings to like 20% and listened to the attacks on each note, attempted to sing many DT songs myself, watched his movements for subtleties on stage, and compared different nights and different years, so I assure you I know what I'm talking about when it comes to his voice. There are many things he does that I hate, and many mistakes he's made that I think were out of laziness, but THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE of this whole DVD is definitely the post-production that is the problem.
My theory regarding CiM has always been: bad recording techniques + selected bad nights + tour with more than a few vocal shortcomings
His singing performance on A dramatic tour of events has been a lot better than the systematic chaos one but...He didn't sound as bad as the videos from that DVD show. However, I admit that he sounded more nasal on that tour. His vocal coach has provided James with awesome vocal techniques and nowadays I think his performances are mostly incredible. His voice cooperates (as he usually says)
Quote from: wasteland on May 26, 2013, 04:13:35 PM
My theory regarding CiM has always been: bad recording techniques + selected bad nights + tour with more than a few vocal shortcomings
Those three things are true but even combined are less than half of the problem. I know how the man sings, and the nasal sound and bad notes are a result of terrible things that were added. The sad thing is that without studying it carefully, one could very easily think it was just James not performing well.
No offense dude, but come across a bit "you guys know jack shit, only I have insight". We have ears too, you know.
Quote from: rumborak on May 26, 2013, 04:23:01 PM
No offense dude, but come across a bit "you guys know jack shit, only I have insight". We have ears too, you know.
Sorry, I can see how I might sound like that. I hope you know I don't mean it in an insulting way, but this is just one topic I'm just really really sure about. I'll try in the future to not come across that way.
I think James has gained a lot of strengh in his voice. His singing is more powerful when releasing the note. I've realised that he uses more his body depending on the vocal effort he has to make.
JLB is a 50 y/o heavy metal vocalist.
Just find it appropriate that I remind this thread of that lol
I'm a 29 year old heavy metal fan and I would like to sing now as a 50 year old singer called James Labrie does. I love singing but I stop trying DT songs. They're very complicated for most of mortals.
yup^ It's pretty incredible what the man accomplishes. And he takes very good care of his voice too with healthy technique, unlike many.
The only thing we can be sure of is that CiM contains the worst live material that DT has put out. I understand MP's "I want the fans to have a live version of every DT song there is..." vision, but I don't want to sacrifice quality for quantity.
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 26, 2013, 07:29:40 PM
I understand MP's "I want the fans to have a live version of every DT song there is..." vision, but
That'd be pretty awesome!! And it's still totally possible!
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on May 26, 2013, 08:05:47 PM
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 26, 2013, 07:29:40 PM
I understand MP's "I want the fans to have a live version of every DT song there is..." vision, but
That'd be pretty awesome!! And it's still totally possible!
It is, at least for ones that they will play. Let's list all the ones that have appeared in the official live albums and videos (not counting CiM and counting the upcoming release):
Another Won
A Fortune in Lies
The Ytse Jam
Another Hand/The Killing Hand
Afterlife
Only a Matter of Time
ALL OF IMAGES AND WORDS
To Live Forever
6:00
Caught in a Web
Innocence Faded
Erotomania
Voices
The Silent Man
The Mirror
Lie
Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
Scarred
A Change of Seasons
Raise the Knife
Speak to Me
Cover My Eyes
New Millennium
Peruvian Skies
Hollow Years
Burning My Soul
Hell's Kitchen (partial in Instrumedley)
Lines in the Sand
Take Away My Pain
Anna Lee
Trial of Tears
ALL OF METROPOLIS PT. 2
Disappear
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
(I'd like to add :( to this lack of official SDOIT releases)
As I Am
This Dying Soul
Endless Sacrifice
Vacant
Stream of Consciousness
In the Name of God
The Root of All Evil
The Answer Lies Within
These Walls
I Walk Beside You
Sacrificed Sons
Octavarium
The Dark Eternal Night
NONE OF BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS
ALL OF A DRAMATIC TURN OF EVENTS
We have quite the collection here. We should all be grateful for the amount of official live material we have, let alone how much of their discography has been played.
Now make a list that includes Japan, Bucharest, When Dream and Day Reunite, Chile, Romavarium, and a hopeful future release from July 2011, which are (and one would be) perfect quality "official bootlegs".
edit: actually, are all of those official bootlegs?
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 26, 2013, 07:29:40 PM
The only thing we can be sure of is that CiM contains the worst live material that DT has put out. I understand MP's "I want the fans to have a live version of every DT song there is..." vision, but I don't want to sacrifice quality for quantity.
Amen to that! :clap:
The only thing I hope is that the DVD captures the intro of the concert as well as these two videos do-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT14yJxaTWY&list=UUzRymWJauSC9bPFqZrW3e8A&index=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUFNyJUDDaw&list=UUzRymWJauSC9bPFqZrW3e8A&index=5
The first 35 seconds of the 2nd video... :O
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on May 26, 2013, 09:54:43 PM
The only thing I hope is that the DVD captures the intro of the concert as well as these two videos do-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT14yJxaTWY&list=UUzRymWJauSC9bPFqZrW3e8A&index=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUFNyJUDDaw&list=UUzRymWJauSC9bPFqZrW3e8A&index=5
The first 35 seconds of the 2nd video... :O
The sad part is that they had to dub over the intro due to copyright reasons (or something like that). They couldn't leave "Dream Is Collapsing" on the DVD/BD which is a real shame cause in my opinion it was probably the strongest "gig-opener" they've used so far.
I enjoyed that intro when I saw it live, but I knew there was no way in hell they'd spring for the rights to use Dream Is Collapsing for any DVD release. But man, that was awesome to see live :metal
Quote from: wasteland on May 26, 2013, 04:04:30 PM
Quote from: rumborak on May 26, 2013, 03:57:51 PM
Quote from: Labrie1984 on May 26, 2013, 09:57:08 AM
I fully agree with you. James' vocals sounded terrible in Chaos in Motion. Too much processing. His performance don't need to be touched at all. I want it to be natural. His voice is beautiful and recovered nowadays
I'm pretty sure they will have made an A/B comparison, meaning the untouched original will have been worse than the processed version.
The bootlegs from that tour sound positively better. It could be an instance of "wishful blanks-filling", but it could also mean that he did sound better than he appears on CiM.
He was inconsistent on the CIM tour, as far as I remember. He'd recovered by Octavarium, was on and off for SC, and then has been on good form again since BC&SL. So no, not all of his performances would have been great.
I agree with Rumby, they'll have made a comparison and gone with the best one.
Plus, pitch correction is not like turning a switch on or off for an entire performance. Some people on this page made it sound like that.
Maybe he likes it. Or maybe he's a singer trying to get some insights or techniques from a highly successful vocalist whose style he greatly admires! That would be cool, actually :)
Quote from: wasteland on May 27, 2013, 04:18:35 AM
Maybe he likes it. Or maybe he's a singer trying to get some insights or techniques from a highly successful vocalist whose style he greatly admires! That would be cool, actually :)
All day every day?
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Quote from: wasteland on May 27, 2013, 04:18:35 AM
Maybe he likes it. Or maybe he's a singer trying to get some insights or techniques from a highly successful vocalist whose style he greatly admires! That would be cool, actually :)
All day every day?
All day everyday? Now, who can be so OBSESSED as to study something on that basis? It's rather
compulsive if you ask me. WHO can it be? Wait a minute...Isn't it MP?!?!? :biggrin:
B.Lee
The answer is that I am a musician, singer, songwriter/composer, and I've never really even considered doing something else in my life than music. For a man with a regularly pitched voice, it is incredibly hard to sing, a million times harder than it looks, in the range of most rock songs, especially when my voice is just now done changing, at least for a while. JLB is my favorite vocalist so what Wasteland said is pretty much it.
Imitating James, Tommy Shaw, Dennis DeYoung, James Young, Mike Portnoy, Lawrence Gowan, Russel Allen, and Bruce Dickonson often helps me create technique for hitting different notes and different types of phrases. JLB being the most versatile, partially because the obvious, and partially because he sounds drastically different from some years to others.
Also, my school is online, so if I'm taking a 5 minute break it's really easy (a little too easy) to go to YouTube and watch Dream Theater and then get addicted to trying to see the difference between every freaking performance of 6:00 on the Dramatic Tour of events, and then end up doing it for much longer than 5 minutes.
No, it's not like I literally watch YouTube, write on DTF, and never do anything else with my life. It's more like I do these things to fuel what I do productively for the rest of the day.
Quote from: Nihil-Morari on May 27, 2013, 02:39:55 AM
Plus, pitch correction is not like turning a switch on or off for an entire performance. Some people on this page made it sound like that.
On CiM it was, or at least for the most part.
no it wasn't
I'm not trying to be blunt, but have you ever seen the way vocals are processed in the studio? Since you're a musician I guess you have. I'm not a producer myself, but I do know how pitch correction works. I've been in several studio's, I've done little projects myself, and like I said, pitch correction isn't one mega switch that makes everything sound different. And even if they've found a way of doing that, that hasn't been done to CiM.
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 26, 2013, 07:29:40 PM
The only thing we can be sure of is that CiM contains the worst live material that DT has put out. I understand MP's "I want the fans to have a live version of every DT song there is..." vision, but I don't want to sacrifice quality for quantity.
Hopefully, in the future, when deciding on set lists for future video releases, they take into account that songs from that particular release still need good versions. It is a shame that classics like Lines in the Sand, Scarred and Blind Faith can only be found on Chaos in Motion (when talking about officially released live DVDs/Blu-Rays, not counting the ytsejam releases). Those need to be on future releases so we can get good live versions of them.
There are vastly superior versions of Scarred, Lines in the Sand and Blind Faith found in the Bucharest bootleg; which is kind of sad considering CiM is an official release.
Quote from: Nihil-Morari on May 27, 2013, 08:14:54 AM
no it wasn't
Listen to the first verse of Panic Attack. Of all things in a DT show, James would not be off pitch during that verse. On the word "grow" (choking me, worries grow), he says more of a "growaah" and the ahh is tuned back up to the Eb that the phrase starts on. Clearly when he sang that, he did not do that live. The "wha" would have just been sliding upwards a little for
emotional effect and it would sound natural. The auto tune took out the emotion and made it sound weird and unnatural.
If the auto tune was selectively put on, this part would have been left out. Listening to the rest of the song, the auto tune remains on like a switch the entire song, and you can tell it was not the kind where they went through each note in the studio, because some of the notes are even tuned to the wrong pitch.
Also this isn't even addressing the fact that the voice sounds like it's coming through a telephone answering machine and making people think James' voice is just that nasally, which it's not. I could literally make a clearer recording of vocals in Garage Band with a $30 mic. I actually just did yesterday.
You know that "I have knowledge, you guys don't!" attitude you apologized for having a few posts back?
You're doing it again.
Also, as an aside: what the blue hell is up with your screen name? I've been going to internet forums for ages, used to admin on a few between 2000-2005, and I've never seen someone with a screen name that breaks the site formatting. :lol
Considering that this Blu-ray was basically going to be the only thing that was going to get me through my summer, I'm mighty pissed about this whole situation.
Quote from: Jaq on May 27, 2013, 08:53:13 AM
You know that "I have knowledge, you guys don't!" attitude you apologized for having a few posts back?
You're doing it again.
Also, as an aside: what the blue hell is up with your screen name? I've been going to internet forums for ages, used to admin on a few between 2000-2005, and I've never seen someone with a screen name that breaks the site formatting. :lol
No attitude here, just backing up every statement I make with facts and and tons of proof.
;D hahaha I love my screen name :biggrin:
Instead of telling someone to stop being cocky, why don't you all disprove him?
I know nothing about technicalities of music as I'm not a musician just a fan so I couldn't tell you. I think JLB sounds great pretty much always. CiM is easily the worst live release and I don't need trained ears to figure that out.
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on May 27, 2013, 08:30:50 AM
Quote from: Nihil-Morari on May 27, 2013, 08:14:54 AM
no it wasn't
Listen to the first verse of Panic Attack. Of all things in a DT show, James would not be off pitch during that verse. On the word "grow" (choking me, worries grow), he says more of a "growaah" and the ahh is tuned back up to the Eb that the phrase starts on. Clearly when he sang that, he did not do that live. The "wha" would have just been sliding upwards a little for emotional effect and it would sound natural. The auto tune took out the emotion and made it sound weird and unnatural.
If the auto tune was selectively put on, this part would have been left out. Listening to the rest of the song, the auto tune remains on like a switch the entire song, and you can tell it was not the kind where they went through each note in the studio, because some of the notes are even tuned to the wrong pitch.
This doesn't sound unnatural to me at all. Why could he have not done that live?
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on May 27, 2013, 08:30:50 AM
Listen to the first verse of Panic Attack. Of all things in a DT show, James would not be off pitch during that verse.
Why not? For such an inexperienced singer you should really know that it's possible to go off pitch on any note at any time.
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 27, 2013, 04:32:05 AM
Quote from: wasteland on May 27, 2013, 04:18:35 AM
Maybe he likes it. Or maybe he's a singer trying to get some insights or techniques from a highly successful vocalist whose style he greatly admires! That would be cool, actually :)
All day every day?
Day after day and night after night?
Someone suggested a few pages back that we spam the Eagle Rock page on facebook until we get answers. I support this.
Quote from: cramx3 on May 27, 2013, 01:27:51 PM
Instead of telling someone to stop being cocky, why don't you all disprove him?
This is what I want to see.
Quote from: ariich on May 27, 2013, 02:24:19 PM
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on May 27, 2013, 08:30:50 AM
Listen to the first verse of Panic Attack. Of all things in a DT show, James would not be off pitch during that verse.
Why not? For such an inexperienced singer you should really know that it's possible to go off pitch on any note at any time.
First, I've been singing since I was 4, but of course those singers I mentioned have been singing much much longer than I've even been alive, but anyway, careful with the word inexperienced. Second, not impossible, but unlikely for that specific spot.
Quote from: wolfking on May 27, 2013, 01:38:08 PM
This doesn't sound unnatural to me at all. Why could he have not done that live?
Again, from watching him SO much- he adds "waa's" and "oohs" to the end of many words, but I don't think I've ever heard them just casually snap back up to the next pitch like that. I realized that in this recording, and then to prove my point, I listened to fan shot footage from that night and saw I was right- his voice did not sound like it was coming through a telephone and that note did
Not go up like it does on the DVD.
I think James just had a few off nights. Not only do I not hear any pitch correction software, I doubt Dream Theater would be that careless to leave something so "obvious" in there. I think dude just sang less than stellar.
Quote from: Infinite Cactus on May 27, 2013, 10:38:29 PM
I think James just had a few off nights. Not only do I not hear any pitch correction software, I doubt Dream Theater would be that careless to leave something so "obvious" in there. I think dude just sang less than stellar.
I wish I could tell you where the fan shot footage is so that you can hear his performance was flawless before the damn careless tuning..
Quote from: Infinite Cactus on May 27, 2013, 10:38:29 PM
I think James just had a few off nights. Not only do I not hear any pitch correction software, I doubt Dream Theater would be that careless to leave something so "obvious" in there. I think dude just sang less than stellar.
I think that the end product was cheap as hell and the voice had a lot of processing. I've heard bootlegs from different nights during that tour, and i've seen a live performance as well, James sounded great, while on CiM he sounds like shit, there was so much processing in his voice it becomes unbearable.
The pitch correction is very obvious and very badly implemented.
I always believed it was probably a combination of an off night and processing that was put on to hide the fact it was poorly recorded. Since most of that just sounds pretty awful. Again, it's not like it's impossible for James to have had really off nights on the Chaos tour, but Atliator (lol nice username change) is right, a lot of what sounds wrong doesn't sound like James normally sounds like when he sounds wrong... does that make any sense? :lol
Totally! I've never heard James sounding that way in any recording of that tour. It's true that he often sounded weird and "weak" as if his lacked some strenght in worst songs of CiM, but the cheap-telephone effect cannot be heard in any bootleg. This must mean something.
't Was all soundboard recordings, right?
Quote from: Nihil-Morari on May 28, 2013, 02:00:15 AM
't Was all soundboard recordings, right?
If he sounded acceptable on many good sounding bootlegs I would presume he sounded even better on raw soundboard recording.
Well, yeah, you're right. Right notes don't really become wrong notes, but y'know, in audience recordings a lot of finesses can be overshadowed by the raw power and noise of the entire band. With a proper live recording there's a lot of mixing (they often add room mics to the total sound to make it sound more lively), but when only using soundboard recordings (and who knows what material they had) there could be a lot of compression going on even before the postproduction.
Final comment on the pitch correction, I'm sure it has been used, but selectively, by listening to Panic Attack everyone can here that there's a lot of slides, glides and vibrato, something that would've been totally impossible when some sort of correction filter had been added to the entire performance.
Quote from: Nihil-Morari on May 28, 2013, 02:42:13 AM
Well, yeah, you're right. Right notes don't really become wrong notes, but y'know, in audience recordings a lot of finesses can be overshadowed by the raw power and noise of the entire band. With a proper live recording there's a lot of mixing (they often add room mics to the total sound to make it sound more lively), but when only using soundboard recordings (and who knows what material they had) there could be a lot of compression going on even before the postproduction.
Final comment on the pitch correction, I'm sure it has been used, but selectively, by listening to Panic Attack everyone can here that there's a lot of slides, glides and vibrato, something that would've been totally impossible when some sort of correction filter had been added to the entire performance.
Try checking out the Progressive Nation 2008 IFCR if you have it or know how to get it. That's a SB recording for sure, and even though James doesn't sound incredible you can argue that his singing is more than OK.
Aliator, you are just being extremely stubborn. JLB singing somewhat flat has been an issue with him since the very beginning, and it says that right in Lifting Shadows. The post-processing in CiM doesn't help, but JLB doesn't get a free pass.
Quote from: TheAtliator on May 27, 2013, 10:49:51 PM
Quote from: Infinite Cactus on May 27, 2013, 10:38:29 PM
I think James just had a few off nights. Not only do I not hear any pitch correction software, I doubt Dream Theater would be that careless to leave something so "obvious" in there. I think dude just sang less than stellar.
I wish I could tell you where the fan shot footage is so that you can hear his performance was flawless before the damn careless tuning..
So, you're saying that the auto tune was put on his voice on the recording, not the show?
And you're saying there is auto tune, which I still don't believe, yet his performance was flawless? If his performance was flawless, why autotune? And isn't autotune usually applied in the live setting?
I think it sounds like autotune in the post-production, wolf. I agree that it does make James' voice sound worse, but afterwards that's where Atliator's criticism fails. The auto-tune is there because James probably sung the whole thing ever-so-slightly flat, which isn't that unusual since the official biography of Dream Theater states that has been one of his recurring issues.
Fair enough. I thought the band always said that they have never used auto tune, but was unaware that it was common for live performances to be altered in the studio with auto tune, overdubs yes, but never thought about auto tune.
If that's the case perhaps that's why I never really had a problem with the vocals on CIM. I know James vocal history and that brings up the whole Score auto tune argument also, which has been discussed 100 times. Then you have something like Budokan that's raw as hell and possibly one of James' most flat and weakest performances ever put to tape.
The level of autotune used is much different than what you'd here in a hip hop song as I understand it.
James did admit on his forum awhile back that autotune does sometimes get applied to his voice in post-production. He never ever uses it live though.
Hmm, never knew that. Yeah, I know it would only be minor to improve certain notes up or down 1/4, 1/2 step or whatever.
CiM is messy and badly recorded enough that it doesn't really matter. What we do know is that according to MP's/JP's/other engineers' opinion, it is the best thing they could get out in those circumstances in regards to the quality of the actual audio/video recordings. Nobody would put out a version where James alone sounds significantly worse, and no one would take a flawless performance and tamper with it, but some all-around sound quality and veritableness (does this make sense? I meant, the trueness of the recording, the how-it-actually-sounded-like) of the performance was probably sacrificed due to the circumstances of how the thing was released.
What we do know is that autotune in Dream Theater recordings, just like in loads of other bands' recordings, is used. We know pitch correction's been used on vocals in post-production of live shows and in the studio, but in most cases, not a lot of it. Thanks to MP mostly, we know which vocal/instrumental performances over the years have been overdubbed or fixed (from the total overdubbing of vocs on LatM to minimal pitch correction on Score or fixing of the backing vocals on LSFNY). They're all pretty open about it and that's one of the things I like with DT.
JLB doesn't get a free pass due to the messiness of the post-production and the very recording of CiM, but since he's had much better performances than the ones recorded for CiM on that very tour, it is very likely they could have made a great DVD on that tour if they had enough time to prepare all that stuff. And we'll never know just how much the actual singing on the DVD we have has been tampered with, but I know how James sounds on a bad night, and on a bad night during that tour, and some of the things that don't sound good on the DVD don't align with that. The tampering probably wasn't significant enough to create problems we hear in some of the performances, but it just doesn't help and I don't like it and I want veeeeeeeeery light pitch correction, if they deem it necessary, on Luna Park.
It is okay that they're being honest about that sorta stuff, but it annoys me that everything needs to be ironed perfect. We know they make mistakes. We like it when they make mistakes and get out of them. We know James is inconsistent and we still love him because he is getting better and better in recent times regardless of consistency issues. Leave the minute of guitarless silence in UAGM on Score. Leave the vocals relatively unprocessed for CiM, it would have been better than the thing we've gotten even if James was in less than optimal condition because this just sounds weird. For the new DVD, leave the drum solo with the flub in, leave mistakes in. Hell, record most of the performances for YJR, then cherry pick the trainwrecks and put them on a CD (Scenes From A World Tour outtakes, anyone?), and name it THIS IS HOW IT SOUNDS LIKE WHEN WE FUCK SHIT UP. :biggrin:
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on May 28, 2013, 05:08:02 AM
I want veeeeeeeeery light pitch correction, if they deem it necessary, on Luna Park.
I don't think it will be necessary at all, those two nights were his best performances by far, at least from the times I've seen them live
Quote from: Nekov on May 28, 2013, 05:26:34 AM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on May 28, 2013, 05:08:02 AM
I want veeeeeeeeery light pitch correction, if they deem it necessary, on Luna Park.
I don't think it will be necessary at all, those two nights were his best performances by far, at least from the times I've seen them live
Besides, I think they could easily patch an occasional wrong note with the equivalent (assuming it's better performed) from the second night, for the songs that were played twice.
What I meant was that they're probably going to treat it in post-production because that's just the way things are done, and I want MINIMAL treatment. I want to hear everything really exactly as it was, warts and all. There were no significant warts so they could just throw it all in exactly as it is.
Can they do that? Cause that's a great option if the can. Unless of course they missed the note both nights :P
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on May 28, 2013, 05:31:56 AM
What I meant was that they're probably going to treat it in post-production because that's just the way things are done, and I want MINIMAL treatment. I want to hear everything really exactly as it was, warts and all. There were no significant warts so they could just throw it all in exactly as it is.
Dream Theater have never done that much in post to JLB's vocals (for the videos, that is).
I assume it will be much like Score, where they'll apply very light pitch correction overall (which doesn't alter the natural sound of the vocals at all and is barely noticeable, but just fixes up the occasional intonation problem that is inevitable for a completely live vocal), then if there's the odd line that was a bit worse to save through such subtle means, they'll dub it in.
From what I recall of the tiny snippet we got of 6:00, I didn't hear noticeable pitch correction, and JLB sounded really good. I don't think there's any reason for concern.
^ Unlike S&M where there is obvious pitch correction all over Hetfield's voice because he has never sung that well for an entire concert before or since :P
Speaking of Metallica - it's funny spotting the overdubs on Cunning Stunts where what you're seeing bares zero relation to what you 're hearing.
One of the most obvious is the beginning of Hero Of The Day when Het sings " The window burns to light the way back home . "
He finishes the line but he shuts his mouth before he does - so it's clearly not the same performance.
There's a ton of moments all over that concert where it's obvious they've just chucked in shots that aren't from the same song.
From FB Eagle Rock page:
Eagle Rock Entertainment News about this release will announced shortly over on Dream Theater's official page.
shortly can mean 1 month or 1 day, i'll go with the first in this case!!
Quote from: Dreamer81 on May 28, 2013, 06:11:12 AM
From FB Eagle Rock page:
Eagle Rock Entertainment News about this release will announced shortly over on Dream Theater's official page.
shortly can mean 1 month or 1 day, i'll go with the first in this case!!
THANK FUCKING GOD in that case.
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 27, 2013, 08:29:19 AM
There are vastly superior versions of Scarred, Lines in the Sand and Blind Faith found in the Bucharest bootleg; which is kind of sad considering CiM is an official release.
Yes indeed. Awesome DVD.
I bet we'll see some information posted sometime today about the release.
Quote from: Dreamer81 on May 28, 2013, 06:11:12 AM
From FB Eagle Rock page:
Eagle Rock Entertainment News about this release will announced shortly over on Dream Theater's official page.
shortly can mean 1 month or 1 day, i'll go with the first in this case!!
Can't wait to hear the news 2 months from now
Color me mildly excited.
Let's see.
Nothing will come of this.
Dream theater has NEVER used auto tune live- we know that for sure.
The closest thing is JP kinda lip syncing/ singing along with most of the harmony backing tracks on the ADTOE tour. Still wish MM, Jordan, and JP would just do it for real.
And call me stubborn, but I still know that auto tune was applied through and through on the songs on CiM, and even much worse on the CD version, although I don't think I've heard every single song on the DVD or CD. I also know that even taking into account JLBs common mistakes and flaws, the post production made him sound a million times worse.
Also, I had to change my username :(. But I also really like my new one ;D
Quote from: TheAtliator on May 28, 2013, 08:12:56 AM
Dream theater has NEVER used auto tune live- we know that for sure.
The closest thing is JP kinda lip syncing/ singing along with most of the harmony backing tracks on the ADTOE tour. Still wish MM, Jordan, and JP would just do it for real.
And call me stubborn, but I still know that auto tune was applied through and through on the songs on CiM, and even much worse on the CD version, although I don't think I've heard every single song on the DVD or CD. I also know that even taking into account JLBs common mistakes and flaws, the post production made him sound a million times worse.
Also, I had to change my username :(. But I also really like my new one ;D
Thank you. Looks good!
Quote from: TheAtliator on May 28, 2013, 08:12:56 AM
And call me stubborn, but I still know that auto tune was applied through and through on the songs on CiM, and even much worse on the CD version, although I don't think I've heard every single song on the DVD or CD.
Why not?
I hope we get news today!
Soon (as the trailer back in feb. said) means half a year. Shortly means at least 2 months.
Quote from: Labrie1984 on May 28, 2013, 09:37:25 AM
Soon (as the trailer back in feb. said) means half a year. Shortly means at least 2 months.
So "in the next couple of weeks" could mean a decade? :omg:
Yeah man. Time's relative.
Ha just went to Eagle Rock's facebook page and there are quite a few posts asking about the Live at Luna release. Still shortly could really mean a few weeks at this point realistically.
Quote from: The Stray Seed on May 28, 2013, 07:39:52 AM
Let's see.
Exactly - I'm still excite for LALP, but I'll believe the update when I actually SEE it.
If its in the next couple of days I can see a July release
Quote from: TheAtliator on May 27, 2013, 08:40:11 PM
Quote from: ariich on May 27, 2013, 02:24:19 PM
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on May 27, 2013, 08:30:50 AM
Listen to the first verse of Panic Attack. Of all things in a DT show, James would not be off pitch during that verse.
Why not? For such an inexperienced singer you should really know that it's possible to go off pitch on any note at any time.
First, I've been singing since I was 4, but of course those singers I mentioned have been singing much much longer than I've even been alive, but anyway, careful with the word inexperienced. Second, not impossible, but unlikely for that specific spot.
Oops, I actually meant to say experienced. :lol But yeah, you got my point anyway I think.
Quote from: TheAtliator on May 27, 2013, 08:12:24 AM
Imitating James, Tommy Shaw, Dennis DeYoung, James Young, Mike Portnoy, Lawrence Gowan, Russel Allen, and Bruce Dickonson often helps me create technique for hitting different notes and different types of phrases.
Say what you will about MP's singing, but I think we all agree it's probably not a vocal performance to be imitated. Unless you mean "hitting different notes" in that 12-tone kind of way.
Considering all the time this is taking, and the fact that OTE have been in the studio, too, do you guys think it's a safe guess that *maybe* Live at Luna Park is going to be a departure for DT in the sense that they could feasibly be writing their new album while also doing overdubs for the Luna Park film? Like, more overdubbing than usual?
Considering that LSFNY, Budokan, and Score are all sparingly overdubbed (the first two there don't sound good enough to be overdubbed at all), I wouldn't mind at all if DT were spending a little bit more time on Luna Park to get it right. Then again, we already have like a dozen official and semi-official releases documenting how DT sounded on a specific night, so I guess I'm more interested the BluRay being as good as possible from both a performance and sound quality perspective.
Quote from: rumborak on May 28, 2013, 12:00:00 PM
Quote from: TheAtliator on May 27, 2013, 08:12:24 AM
Imitating James, Tommy Shaw, Dennis DeYoung, James Young, Mike Portnoy, Lawrence Gowan, Russel Allen, and Bruce Dickonson often helps me create technique for hitting different notes and different types of phrases.
Say what you will about MP's singing, but I think we all agree it's probably not a vocal performance to be imitated. Unless you mean "hitting different notes" in that 12-tone kind of way.
Yeah, I kinda lol'd at this. I don't know anything about you, Atliator, so I'm not giving you crap, but I'm just pointing out that I only know one other vocalist whose influences were derived pretty more exlusively from Dream Theater and prog-oriented artists (for better or worse)...
...And that vocalist is named Nicky Spanjaards :D
I think OTE are in the studio to make a making of the new album DVD.
That's what I want anyway.
Like the one for Systematic Chaos - just without MP mugging and gurning and screaming every 5 minutes.
Or a 'The Making of The Making of the Luna Park DVD'.
" Why is John Myung ? "
:rollin
It's just ridiculous that it's taking this long for them to say anything at all but let's hope we really get news soon this time around.
Quote from: TheAtliator on May 28, 2013, 08:12:56 AM
And call me stubborn, but I still know that auto tune was applied through and through on the songs on CiM, and even much worse on the CD version, although I don't think I've heard every single song on the DVD or CD.
But, I thought you studied James' voice all day every day, why would you have not heard every song from the release that you seem to know so much about??
Quote from: wolfking on May 28, 2013, 04:04:32 PM
Quote from: TheAtliator on May 28, 2013, 08:12:56 AM
And call me stubborn, but I still know that auto tune was applied through and through on the songs on CiM, and even much worse on the CD version, although I don't think I've heard every single song on the DVD or CD.
But, I thought you studied James' voice all day every day, why would you have not heard every song from the release that you seem to know so much about??
I think I have heard every song on the DVD, but I might be forgetting one, and I've only listened to the first few on the CD. Lol there are a LOT of DT videos on youtube.. and these are not the pleasant ones to listen to.
Quote from: rumborak on May 28, 2013, 12:00:00 PM
Quote from: TheAtliator on May 27, 2013, 08:12:24 AM
Imitating James, Tommy Shaw, Dennis DeYoung, James Young, Mike Portnoy, Lawrence Gowan, Russel Allen, and Bruce Dickonson often helps me create technique for hitting different notes and different types of phrases.
Say what you will about MP's singing, but I think we all agree it's probably not a vocal performance to be imitated. Unless you mean "hitting different notes" in that 12-tone kind of way.
No I mean different types of notes with different personalities, and different pitches as well. Mike has very nice expression and phrasing in his parts, at least in the studio. Sometimes I do derive
some vocal influence from him, a lot with backing vocals actually. But no he isn't he most technically proficient singer, nor does he claim to be.
Quote from: TheAtliator on May 26, 2013, 09:00:35 PM
Now make a list that includes Japan, Bucharest, When Dream and Day Reunite, Chile, Romavarium, and a hopeful future release from July 2011, which are (and one would be) perfect quality "official bootlegs".
edit: actually, are all of those official bootlegs?
Romavarium is not an official bootleg because it was made exclusively for DT fan club members and was not released by YtseJam records. The rest are though
Quote from: JoshuaB2112 on May 28, 2013, 04:46:28 PM
Quote from: TheAtliator on May 26, 2013, 09:00:35 PM
Now make a list that includes Japan, Bucharest, When Dream and Day Reunite, Chile, Romavarium, and a hopeful future release from July 2011, which are (and one would be) perfect quality "official bootlegs".
edit: actually, are all of those official bootlegs?
Romavarium is not an official bootleg because it was made exclusively for DT fan club members and was not released by YtseJam records. The rest are though
oh ok thanks!
Quote from: Perpetual Change on May 28, 2013, 12:17:11 PMYeah, I kinda lol'd at this. I don't know anything about you, Atliator, so I'm not giving you crap, but I'm just pointing out that I only know one other vocalist whose influences were derived pretty more exlusively from Dream Theater and prog-oriented artists (for better or worse)...
...And that vocalist is named Nicky Spanjaards :D
Um... yep. :lol
Is the audio on the CiM DVD better than the audio CD's? I remember the first part of Score CD set sounding worse than the DVD.
Quote from: dparrott on May 28, 2013, 06:40:31 PM
Is the audio on the CiM DVD better than the audio CD's? I remember the first part of Score CD set sounding worse than the DVD.
From what I've heard on it, the CD has much thicker autotune. I mean like it's embarrassingly thick and snappy
Quote from: TheAtliator on May 28, 2013, 08:12:56 AM
Dream theater has NEVER used auto tune live- we know that for sure.
The closest thing is JP kinda lip syncing/ singing along with most of the harmony backing tracks on the ADTOE tour. Still wish MM, Jordan, and JP would just do it for real.
And call me stubborn, but I still know that auto tune was applied through and through on the songs on CiM, and even much worse on the CD version, although I don't think I've heard every single song on the DVD or CD. I also know that even taking into account JLBs common mistakes and flaws, the post production made him sound a million times worse.
Also, I had to change my username :(. But I also really like my new one ;D
Yeah, CiM was painful to listen/watch. Maybe the worst singing I have ever heard (from a pro). Roy Khan (Kamelot) @ Wacken 2008 is only one I could think of that could top that.
I stopped listening DT for couple of years after I bought the DVD :D I don't mean that it was because of Labrie's performance. But it really sounded like crap.
I honestly have always thought his vox on CIM were pretty good. Definitely better than Budokan.
Quote from: wolfking on May 29, 2013, 04:09:46 AM
I honestly have always thought his vox on CIM were pretty good. Definitely better than Budokan.
You crazy. Every time he goes into the upper register on CiM, it sounds like he's been replaced by a (very nasal) robot.
Yup, and Budokan had its good moments, like Trial Of Tears.
I've never had a problem with Budokan.
me neither. I like Budokon, except doesn't it sound like it wasn't recorded very heavy sounding like TOT should be? But I really like that the vocals don't seem touched up- I hope Luna Park is like this one.
Quote from: wasteland on May 29, 2013, 06:20:11 AM
Yup, and Budokan had its good moments, like Trial Of Tears.
Actually, I think all of the FII stuff on Budokan sounds excellent vocally. Budokan really got me into that album.
Budokan's vocals aren't bad at all overall. The only outright poor vocals imo are the last two songs, PMU and ITNOG. JLB is sounding really tired and flat by that point, which is understandable after a long show. He also has some flat moments on the other TOT material, but aside from that, I quite enjoy his vocals on it. Overall I think he sounds better on this than LSFNY.
It was not a really bad night, but it wasn't one of the vocals highlight from that tour either. My complaint is that they chose the wrong show for the recording. Had they shot NY or one of the last EU shows nobody would have had anything to say about James's vocals!
Then it wouldn't be live at Budokan :P ;D
Quote from: wasteland on May 29, 2013, 07:00:16 AM
It was not a really bad night, but it wasn't one of the vocals highlight from that tour either. My complaint is that they chose the wrong show for the recording. Had they shot NY or one of the last EU shows nobody would have had anything to say about James's vocals!
A bit of luck of the draw, since they don't know in advance whether JLB is going to have an on/off night (although the scheduling of shows didn't help in that particular case).
I don't even think Score was one of JLB's best shows from the tour either, although JLB managed a damn high standard that tour, and pulled a nonetheless excellent performance despite it being after a long tour, and recovering from a cold (iirc?).
Quote from: BlobVanDam on May 29, 2013, 06:48:56 AM
Quote from: wasteland on May 29, 2013, 06:20:11 AM
Yup, and Budokan had its good moments, like Trial Of Tears.
Actually, I think all of the FII stuff on Budokan sounds excellent vocally. Budokan really got me into that album.
Budokan's vocals aren't bad at all overall. The only outright poor vocals imo are the last two songs, PMU and ITNOG. JLB is sounding really tired and flat by that point, which is understandable after a long show. He also has some flat moments on the other TOT material, but aside from that, I quite enjoy his vocals on it. Overall I think he sounds better on this than LSFNY.
I rarely listen to PMU, but the vocals on ITNOG are what actually gives me respect to James. yeah, he sounds tired, but he's giving it what he's got. I don't even think he sounds bad on ITNOG, but you can tell he's reaching, which is OK by me.
I said at the time, that no band puts their singer through what DT does. James was on fire on that tour, and the 8V tour as well.
I was surprised to see that the Score show came right after a streak of less than phenomenal performances from James. His best from that tour was quite early-on, at the end of the Europeal Fall leg.
But yes, the Budokan scheduling was not really the best thing ever: after three weeks away from the stages (3rd-21st April) they performed three shows in a row in Nagoya and Osaka, the latter featuring the entire Number Of The Beast and A Change Of Seasons. The following day was reharsal time for the DVD shooting, which took place the 26th. An infernal pacing, I would say, that may have taken its toll on James's eventual performance.
Quote from: TAC on May 29, 2013, 07:06:55 AM
Quote from: BlobVanDam on May 29, 2013, 06:48:56 AM
Quote from: wasteland on May 29, 2013, 06:20:11 AM
Yup, and Budokan had its good moments, like Trial Of Tears.
Actually, I think all of the FII stuff on Budokan sounds excellent vocally. Budokan really got me into that album.
Budokan's vocals aren't bad at all overall. The only outright poor vocals imo are the last two songs, PMU and ITNOG. JLB is sounding really tired and flat by that point, which is understandable after a long show. He also has some flat moments on the other TOT material, but aside from that, I quite enjoy his vocals on it. Overall I think he sounds better on this than LSFNY.
I rarely listen to PMU, but the vocals on ITNOG are what actually gives me respect to James. yeah, he sounds tired, but he's giving it what he's got. I don't even think he sounds bad on ITNOG, but you can tell he's reaching, which is OK by me.
I said at the time, that no band puts their singer through what DT does. James was on fire on that tour, and the 8V tour as well.
He always gives 100%, even if his voice isn't allowing 100%, gotta give him credit for that. I don't think he sounds
that bad on ITNOG either, as I can still listen to it just fine, but the higher parts like the chorus are showing the signs of wear after a long show.
Yeah Blob, we're in agreement. I think it gives the track immense character, especially when you can "see" James' effort on the DVD.
yes very true on the effort all the time. I don't think anyone understands how hard songs in that range the ENTIRE time are. Like Forsaken or ITNOG, it's just INSANE. Right there in the high middle range before it gets above treble C
It's strange how I actually had a hard time with LaBrie's voice back when I first got into Dream Theater. I became a fan, yet somehow I still wasn't completely sure about him. Then I saw the band live, and I was sold, the guy certainly gave us everything he got. Same with the next two shows I attended.
Quote from: Mladen on May 29, 2013, 07:48:22 AM
It's strange how I actually had a hard time with LaBrie's voice back when I first got into Dream Theater. I became a fan, yet somehow I still wasn't completely sure about him. Then I saw the band live, and I was sold, the guy certainly gave us everything he got. Same with the next two shows I attended.
When was your first show?
I was thinking that James' flatness in Budokan is really just a result of his lost power, rather than lost range.
If you listen to the older recordings from the Images tour, James would sometimes enter some notes slightly flat, and then he'd just power through them and it'd still sound pretty good. Or James would sing all over the place, sometimes wildly imprecise, but his power would allow him to jump around until he got to places where he could really belt.
James doesn't really have that capability anymore. Most of the time he can still hit all the notes he used to hit, but he doesn't have the same power to push those flat notes he's always hit over the hump, nor does he have the same ability to hurdle around notes via improvisation. So wherever James lands, that's where he stays. This leads to some pretty awkward moments like the chorus of "Blind Faith" on CiM where James is completely flat. Yeah, James '92 might have landed flat on that note too, but he'd also have turned it into an (almost) atonal screech before he was through with it.
James has never been the most consistent singer, but until the vocal accident, his vocals were so powerful that he could work around all that. Now his voice is actually much more precise and controlled than it used to be, but he just doesn't have the power to make up for those occasional tendencies to sing flat.
^I don't think that is exactly right, but it's definitely an interesting point that does have quite a bit of truth to it. What I am trying to say is, when James struggles, or even when he is on but misses some notes here and there, it isn't necessarily linked only (or even primarily) to what you pointed out. I think it is a definite factor at times, but I think it is just one of many. James still has power and has the ability to do some of the things you pointed out. But, yes, his power isn't what it once was. And the loss of power is more pronounced in head voice and when he is tired and other factors come into play. Good observation.
Yeah, that makes sense to me.
But I will say that James seems to have to commit much more to the notes he sings now. Like in LSFNY, where JLB misses the F# during LtL, realizes it, and still has enough gas in the tank to go somewhere else in the note, eventually power through a slide-up to note.
I don't hear James doing stuff like that anymore. On one of today's performances, he'd probably hit the note, but he wouldn't hold it as long, and would have nowhere to go if it went awry-- he might hit something lower, but there wouldn't power left for something like a SFAM-era screaming slide back up to the note.
Then again, I'm not a singer at all, so I could be getting my terms all mixed up.
Oh man, I just remembered how James sounded on that Winter Rose live bootleg.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on May 29, 2013, 08:42:26 AM
Yeah, that makes sense to me.
But I will say that James seems to have to commit much more to the notes he sings now. Like in LSFNY, where JLB misses the F# during LtL, realizes it, and still has enough gas in the tank to go somewhere else in the note, eventually power through a slide-up to note.
I don't hear James doing stuff like that anymore. On one of today's performances, he'd probably hit the note, but he wouldn't hold it as long, and would have nowhere to go if it went awry-- he might hit something lower, but there wouldn't power left for something like a SFAM-era screaming slide back up to the note.
Then again, I'm not a singer at all, so I could be getting my terms all mixed up.
He actually doesn't hit the F# at all. :P He knew he was unable to hit it that night, or felt like it wouldn't work, so he stayed lower and hit a C#, which still works well in the situation and sounded really powerful. I talked about this moment in another thread and praised his safety notage.
Adding to that, not hitting the F# and going for the C# instead was completely routine during the SFAM and the SDOIT tours, as was singing the original wordless melody above the guitar solo. He started hitting the note again in 2003 after a 6 year lapse and most importantly after the vocal restyling. I'm quite positive that without that he would have never reprised it.
Y'all make him sound like the Six Million Dollar Man. :lol
We can rebuild him. We have the technology.
Quote from: DebraKadabra on May 29, 2013, 11:17:11 AM
Y'all make him sound like the Six Million Dollar Man. :lol
We can rebuild him. We have the technology.
Bionic James Labrie
Quote from: JayOctavarium on May 29, 2013, 11:34:59 AM
Quote from: DebraKadabra on May 29, 2013, 11:17:11 AM
Y'all make him sound like the Six Million Dollar Man. :lol
We can rebuild him. We have the technology.
Bionic James Labrie
Apocalyptic Bionic Mind LaBrie.
UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN!
ROOOOOOROROROROR
According to Eagle rock Entertainment the end of the world will be announced shortly
Quote from: Labrie1984 on May 29, 2013, 12:29:55 PM
According to Eagle rock Entertainment the end of the world will be announced shortly
Religious sects will be founded and will fight each other over the prophesied release date for the new DVD.
Quote from: wasteland on May 29, 2013, 12:36:07 PM
Quote from: Labrie1984 on May 29, 2013, 12:29:55 PM
According to Eagle rock Entertainment the end of the world will be announced shortly
Religious sects will be founded and will fight each other over the prophesied release date for the new DVD.
"It was brought forward from November!"
"No, it was delayed from July!"
Carnage.
Quote from: wasteland on May 29, 2013, 12:36:07 PM
Quote from: Labrie1984 on May 29, 2013, 12:29:55 PM
According to Eagle rock Entertainment the end of the world will be announced shortly
Religious sects will be founded and will fight each other over the prophesied release date for the new DVD.
In the name of God. :neverusethis:
Quote from: robwebster on May 29, 2013, 12:48:04 PM
Quote from: wasteland on May 29, 2013, 12:36:07 PM
Quote from: Labrie1984 on May 29, 2013, 12:29:55 PM
According to Eagle rock Entertainment the end of the world will be announced shortly
Religious sects will be founded and will fight each other over the prophesied release date for the new DVD.
"It was brought forward from November!"
"No, it was delayed from July!"
Carnage.
:lol :lol :lol
I hope part of the delay is a holographic or special texture cover like they do with special edition DVD movies.
Quote from: dparrott on May 29, 2013, 01:42:12 PM
I hope part of the delay is a holographic or special texture cover like they do with special edition DVD movies.
What?
I WANT A UNICYCLING CLOWN ACTION FIGURE
I'm calling it now: that update to the DT facebook page will come on the 1st June.
Monday 3rd June.
I'm thinking this Friday, the 31st.
I predict that it will be shortly.
My prediction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSPNQ82Sq4E
Finnish Metal news/review website https://www.imperiumi.net/ (https://www.imperiumi.net/) says that Dream Theater - Live at Luna Park is released today :-\.
So sad that it is not true .
Check every shop in Finland, just in case. :justjen
Quote from: adastra on May 30, 2013, 05:01:47 AM
Finnish Metal news/review website https://www.imperiumi.net/ (https://www.imperiumi.net/) says that Dream Theater - Live at Luna Park is released today :-\.
So sad that it is not true .
Their information is outdated... What's the point of a release date calendar if you don't care to keep it up-to-date? :facepalm:
From OTE:
Official Press Release: Dream Theater began their mammoth "A Dramatic Tour Of Events" world trek in July 2011 with the final leg in South America taking place in August 2012. It was here at the Luna Park Arena in Buenos Aires, Argentina that they decided to film the two nights. Those two shows will encompass Live At Luna Park, a very special DVD to be released this fall via Eagle Rock Entertainment.
Due to extenuating circumstances, the release date for Live At Luna Park has been pushed back from its originally scheduled Spring release. In an effort to make this project as special as possible, and deliver the ultimate live experience for Dream Theater fans, these delays proved necessary. It will be abundantly clear why the extra time was needed come November.
Live At Luna Park contains the 160-minute main show accompanied by a wealth of bonus material. All tracks from their A Dramatic Turn Of Events album are included, in either the main show or the bonus features. This title features many of Dream Theater's classic tracks including: "Metropolis Pt. 1", "The Silent Man", "Pull Me Under", "The Root Of All Evil", "The Test That Stumped Them All", "The Spirit Carries On" and the recent "On The Backs Of Angels".
Live At Luna Park is available in North America November 5th as Blu-Ray, 2DVD, 2DVD + 3CD, Blu-Ray + 3CD, Deluxe Edition with 40 page Book, Blu-Ray + 2DVD + 3CD, Digital Video via I-Tunes.
FFFFFUUUUUUUUUU! November -_- oh well, at least theres info now!
See? That's all we needed to hear!
Ok sure, it's not what we were hoping for in terms of a release date, but we knew it wasn't going to be soon. But I'm surprised the release date is in fact that far off considering how long they've had.
OTE has posted on facebook that release date is November 5th. :tdwn
So be it.
hehe, actually right now I am 2 blocks away from OTE here in Wayne meeting a client. Irony? LOL
Better late than never, we finally got the information! :tup However, I'm getting more and more convinced that the new album will also be delayed :-\
Quote from: BlobVanDam on May 30, 2013, 08:27:42 AM
See? That's all we needed to hear!
Ok sure, it's not what we were hoping for in terms of a release date, but we knew it wasn't going to be soon. But I'm surprised the release date is in fact that far off considering how long they've had.
My thoughts exactly. It will be a long wait, a bit more than 5 months, but at least now we know, now we can sweep away our fears and uncertainties and prepare for the big event ;)
I would tend to agree that the new music will be released after the DVD.
So there is a good reason for the delay, but they won't reveal it until November? What could it be that they want to keep it hidden for another six months?
November?! Plenty of time to save up for the DELUXE edition! Woot! :tup
-Marc.
They specified in North America, what about the rest of the world??
Quote from: me7 on May 30, 2013, 08:38:53 AM
So there is a good reason for the delay, but they won't reveal it until November? What could it be that they want to keep it hidden for another six months?
I really shouldn't be revealing this so early, so this is just between you and me, but the deluxe edition will come with a full set of Dream Theater action figures. The figures are 12" tall each, fully poseable, and each one plays a signature tune, along with speaking over 10 different popular catch phrases, including "I'll see you on the road!" and "ARRRR WE BE DIGGIN' HOLES WITH ME PHNOMNAL FORKLIFT MATEY!".
Unfortunately, there have been some unforseen manufacturing delays due to waiting on John Myung's dialogue to be recorded. The recording crew has been following JM around 24/7, waiting for him to speak, and at the current rate of about one line of speech a month, they're hoping to meet their November target without any other major delays.
Thanks to Blob for the facts!
I am pretty disappointed with all. Some weeks ago the dvd was done and being prepared for release. Today OTE says that they're working to get the best work possible...November? Come on...15 months after the concerts...The are not building a gothic cathedral, are they? Besides, will that affect the release of the upcoming and untitled yet album?
Quote from: BlobVanDam on May 30, 2013, 08:46:04 AM
Quote from: me7 on May 30, 2013, 08:38:53 AM
So there is a good reason for the delay, but they won't reveal it until November? What could it be that they want to keep it hidden for another six months?
I really shouldn't be revealing this so early, so this is just between you and me, but the deluxe edition will come with a full set of Dream Theater action figures. The figures are 12" tall each, fully poseable, and each one plays a signature tune, along with speaking over 10 different popular catch phrases, including "I'll see you on the road!" and "ARRRR WE BE DIGGIN' HOLES WITH ME PHNOMNAL FORKLIFT MATEY!".
Unfortunately, there have been some unforseen manufacturing delays due to waiting on John Myung's dialogue to be recorded. The recording crew has been following JM around 24/7, waiting for him to speak, and at the current rate of about one line of speech a month, they're hoping to meet their November target without any other major delays.
:rollin :rollin
But seriously, the new album will be out before the dvd.... That is definitely a dramatic turn of events...
Not till November? Jeez.
They say we won't know why it was delayed until November. I don't get that. Why?
I think they meant that when we get the release and realize how good it is we will understand why it took so much for it to be put together.
That's what they meant indeed. But yeah, november it is! I sure hope the special edition will include the blu-ray!
It has to have something to do with adding 'current' content of some kind. Some special extras that they decided to add.
Oh well, we'll see in Nov.
Well, this is completely disappointing. Wait wait wait... This is what you have to do if you love DT.
It's a real bummer, I agree...and it sucks to wait so much; but hey! There are other nice bands besides Dream Theater who are putting out nice things :D :D
Disappointing, but at least now we have a release date. Just set the countdown app on my Iphone, its 158 days * :'(
Heh, November. The month where Nintendo releases a gazillion games that I want.
Disappointing, but oh well.
Kinda seems like the guys didn't want to take Portnoy's break proposal because they wanted to slow things down instead...
Quote from: TheAtliator on May 14, 2013, 07:17:29 AM
There's just no way! The thing is already DONE- why the hell would they wait SIX (degrmatichaosonachristmasmorning) FREAKING MONTHS!? I don't think so.. Maybe they got it confused with the new album, but that doesn't sound likely either..
I stand corrected.... :sad:
I don't believe that: "you'll understand why it took so long to be released...we're adding content...the dvd is awesome..." The intention of every final product is being interesting enough to be purchased. LALP isn't special in that sense. There are other reasons that will not be explained
Patience, people. At least we have a date now. It'll be here before we know it, and even then, we still have DT12 to look forward to, possibly (probably?) before then.
Hoping for a band commentary during the live show!
Quote from: Nihil-Morari on May 30, 2013, 09:06:59 AM
That's what they meant indeed. But yeah, november it is! I sure hope the special edition will include the blu-ray!
From the article:
QuoteBlu-Ray + 3CD Deluxe Edition with 40 page Book
Amazing! Finally some good news about the DVD. And it seems that I might go for the deluxe edition too. :biggrin:
But I wonder what those extenuating circumstances might have been... :huh:
Anyway, this fall and winter is shaping up to be two very expensive seasons for me. This DVD, the new xbox, a bunch of games for multiple platforms, the new album from DT, and some new hardware for my computer. And all happen at the same time :metal
I don't expect the new album to come out in september if the release of LALP takes places in november. From a selling point of view DT12 would not get the attention expected by the band and Roadrunner. Thus, probably, the new disc will also be postponed.
Kind of dissapointed with the late push back but I have to assume there was a major change. It also sounds like there will be bonus live material which excites me.
But when do you guys think we'll get a sample of the concert? That's what I'm really excited for. Does that generally come closer to the release date or to the release of the release date?
For instance, the count of tuscany live would be incredible.
Quote from: Labrie1984 on May 30, 2013, 08:52:25 AM
I am pretty disappointed with all. Some weeks ago the dvd was done and being prepared for release. Today OTE says that they're working to get the best work possible...November? Come on...15 months after the concerts...The are not building a gothic cathedral, are they? Besides, will that affect the release of the upcoming and untitled yet album?
I agree with this - how on earth does it take anyone 15 months to put a live DVD together. It's pretty embarrassing if you ask me and I'm sure the reasons will not be "abundantly clear" as they say.
Sweet, a release date. Now I can make my arrangements to rent out a screen at a local theater for my little viewing party.
Quote from: Labrie1984 on May 30, 2013, 09:28:29 AM
I don't expect the new album to come out in september if the release of LALP takes places in november. From a selling point of view DT12 would not get the attention expected by the band and Roadrunner. Thus, probably, the new disc will also be postponed.
And this ain't noooooooooooo good. :hat
I bet DVD content didn't change a bit from what originally it'd be and they used this excuse just because RR wanted them to release it after new album release.
The band itself should have written this update. OTE is just the company that has recorded the concert and done the editing.
It seems that the band has lost control over its issues
umm.. https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheaterofficial/posts/10151410734817181
November???!!! :rant:
Edit: I just got it, they toured for 15 months and now it's taking 15 months for the DVD to be released. There's surely some nugget in there
Quote from: VincentMDO on May 30, 2013, 09:38:09 AM
I bet DVD content didn't change a bit from what originally it'd be and they used this excuse just because RR wanted them to release it after new album release.
i dont see why this would be a logical reason though...its mostly music from ADTOE, if it was released before DT12 it could inspire some more ADTOE purchases before the DT market is saturated with DT12. just my reasoning, but again we will probably never know why it was delayed
I'm willing to bet that the release of the new album WON'T be delayed. First, I don't think putting out the record and the DVD within, say two months of each other will really damage the sales of either that much. Secondly, the band have probably seen that the delay with the dvd has disappointed many fans, so I don't think they'd want to repeat that.
In the wise-words of my teenaged son, DERP!
In my opinion this is the worst news. OTE was saying in Feb that the product was awesome. Now they feel they are saying it will need a further 5 MONTHS before release. The trouble is, with all the hype and bigging it up, I'm expecting the greatest thing ever. And I just know I am going to be let down (as a result of overhype, not due to the product)
This announcement brings new meaning to...
I'll always remember
the chill of November...
Hurrah!
I can update the thread now!
I expected it to be released in July, not half a year away from now. That's freaking ridiculous.
Quote from: hacko on May 30, 2013, 09:26:16 AM
Quote from: Nihil-Morari on May 30, 2013, 09:06:59 AM
That's what they meant indeed. But yeah, november it is! I sure hope the special edition will include the blu-ray!
From the article:
QuoteBlu-Ray + 3CD Deluxe Edition with 40 page Book
You took out the comma that made my question necessary.
Rena Petrucci (aka Yoko) says:
May 30, 2013 at 1:53 am
It will be out before Christmas. Ha ha ha I'm gonna get in big trouble. (Delays due to sound quality issues) and there would be no sound if John left.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on May 30, 2013, 10:08:42 AM
This announcement brings new meaning to...
I'll always remember
the chill of November...
Remember, Remember, the fifth of November...
Just found that! Interesting. Petrucci's daughter leaks some information.
Rena is his wife.
Quote from: Labrie1984 on May 30, 2013, 10:18:29 AM
Rena Petrucci (aka Yoko) says:
May 30, 2013 at 1:53 am
It will be out before Christmas. Ha ha ha I'm gonna get in big trouble. (Delays due to sound quality issues) and there would be no sound if John left.
Interesting.
Indeed. I had guessed "overdubbing parallel with DT's studio time for the new record" earlier in the thread and everyone kinda dismissed that.
Well? Maybe they had to!
Goddamn it. Sigh.. November ...freaking hell.
Quote from: Labrie1984 on May 30, 2013, 10:18:29 AM
Rena Petrucci (aka Yoko) says:
May 30, 2013 at 1:53 am
It will be out before Christmas. Ha ha ha I’m gonna get in big trouble. (Delays due to sound quality issues) and there would be no sound if John left.
Where is this? Link, citation, etc.
Also, how is she Yoko? We
like Rena!
In related news, the world kept existing and life continues to go on.
No big deal.
What does the "and there would be no sound if John left" mean?
Quote from: robwebster on May 30, 2013, 10:32:27 AM
Quote from: Labrie1984 on May 30, 2013, 10:18:29 AM
Rena Petrucci (aka Yoko) says:
May 30, 2013 at 1:53 am
It will be out before Christmas. Ha ha ha I'm gonna get in big trouble. (Delays due to sound quality issues) and there would be no sound if John left.
Where is this? Link, citation, etc.
Also, how is she Yoko? We like Rena!
:lol
Quote from: Labrie1984 on May 30, 2013, 10:10:02 AM
I expected it to be released in July, not half a year away from now. That's freaking ridiculous.
same thoughts ugh
November huh.....cool. I honestly do feel its gonna be Budakon style, with Score awesomeness and overloaded with extras. Maybe they included the special songs from the tour.
Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 14, 2013, 05:07:06 PM
I'm sorry but more dates pop up:
ginza.se (https://www.ginza.se/product/dream-theater/live-at-luna-park/221223/) Release date 2013-11-04
cdon.se (https://cdon.se/musik/dream_theater/live_at_luna_park-23589786) Release date 2013-11-04
bengan.se (https://www.bengans.se/Product.aspx?skivkod=740989§ion=music) Release date 2013-11-04
Megastore.se (https://www.megastore.se/cgi-bin/ibutik/AIR_ibutik.fcgi?funk=visa_artikel&artgrp=&artnr=2532884&visa=1-100&Sort=Populara&Visn=Sokresultat) Release date 2013-11-04
Of course they could all just copy and paste eachother and we also have:
swedenrock-online.se (https://www.swedenrock-online.se/dream-theater-live-at-luna-park-2-dvd/art_260414/) Relase date 2013-07-26
So yea.....just more confusing i guess.
Turns out my fears were right......
I hate when my fears are right.... :angry:
EDIT: Ok 1 day off but still...
Quote from: TAC on May 30, 2013, 10:37:16 AM
What does the "and there would be no sound if John left" mean?
Yea what does that mean?
Maybe they forgot to record John's guitar that night.
Quote from: faizoff on May 30, 2013, 10:44:39 AM
Quote from: TAC on May 30, 2013, 10:37:16 AM
What does the "and there would be no sound if John left" mean?
Yea what does that mean?
That line concerned me too.
How do we know she's talking about JP? o.O
hahaha
Maybe someone forgot to plug in the power.
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Quote from: Perpetual Change on May 30, 2013, 10:49:15 AM
Maybe they forgot to record John's guitar that night.
That would be the funniest think ever :lol
Maybe he learned all the songs on all instruments and re-recorded the entire show (vocals included) in the studio :lol
But seriously, those words are puzzling. We will see if anything follows.
:rollin
Quote from: TheLordOfTheStrings on May 30, 2013, 10:50:41 AM
How do we know she's talking about JP? o.O
hahaha
Well the post sounds somewhat defensive and it would make sense that she would back her husband if there was a situation. Why would she be referring to John Myung or any other John?!
https://destroyerofharmony.wordpress.com/2013/05/27/dream-theater-why-the-silence-on-the-live-at-luna-park-dvd-release/
That post sounded really harsh. They're saying DT hasn't been connecting with the fans because of a lack of updates on the live release, even though they've been fairly consistently updating us on the new album.
Anyway, the delay is disappointing, but I'm sure it's for the better.
Quote from: Labrie1984 on May 30, 2013, 11:04:03 AM
https://destroyerofharmony.wordpress.com/2013/05/27/dream-theater-why-the-silence-on-the-live-at-luna-park-dvd-release/
How to write a bad article: lesson 1.
Quote from: TAC on May 30, 2013, 10:37:16 AM
What does the "and there would be no sound if John left" mean?
Maybe a Beatles joke?
Quote from: Labrie1984 on May 30, 2013, 11:04:03 AM
https://destroyerofharmony.wordpress.com/2013/05/27/dream-theater-why-the-silence-on-the-live-at-luna-park-dvd-release/
Wow. That dude is really mad.
Quote from: me7 on May 30, 2013, 11:18:11 AM
Quote from: TAC on May 30, 2013, 10:37:16 AM
What does the "and there would be no sound if John left" mean?
Maybe a Beatles joke?
I think it's a reference to the last line on the article Labrie1984 just posted.
Quote from: robwebster on May 30, 2013, 10:32:27 AM
Quote from: Labrie1984 on May 30, 2013, 10:18:29 AM
Rena Petrucci (aka Yoko) says:
May 30, 2013 at 1:53 am
It will be out before Christmas. Ha ha ha I'm gonna get in big trouble. (Delays due to sound quality issues) and there would be no sound if John left.
Where is this? Link, citation, etc.
Also, how is she Yoko? We like Rena!
:|
Once again: i don't really get what's the big deal about this delay. It took a year and a month to SFNY to be released (recorded in august 30 2000 it came out, you know, That day). LALP will take just a month more than SFNY. It's the lack of fb posts, tweets the real problem? C'mon!
Quote from: DreamerTV on May 30, 2013, 11:28:15 AM
Once again: i don't really get what's the big deal about this delay. It took a year and a month to SFNY to be released (recorded in august 30 2000 it came out, you know, That day). LALP will take just a month more than SFNY. It's the lack of fb posts, tweets the real problem? C'mon!
:tup
Quote from: Labrie1984 on May 30, 2013, 11:04:03 AM
https://destroyerofharmony.wordpress.com/2013/05/27/dream-theater-why-the-silence-on-the-live-at-luna-park-dvd-release/
Even though the DVD will be cool and all, I really dont care too much about it. Being at the live shows is infinitely better so I really don't care if they ever release the DVD. I prefer the audio commentary anyway because at least it's new content.
Mike gives way too many updates anyway. I just follow JP on Facebook and it's perfectly sufficient for me.
Quote from: DreamerTV on May 30, 2013, 11:28:15 AM
Once again: i don't really get what's the big deal about this delay. It took a year and a month to SFNY to be released (recorded in august 30 2000 it came out, you know, That day). LALP will take just a month more than SFNY. It's the lack of fb posts, tweets the real problem? C'mon!
Oh, I know. It just sounds like a lot of the delay is out of the band's hands, except for the sound issues Rena mentioned.
The most ridiculous part is that people are complaining the delay (which indeed is pretty big and disappointing) is due to a lack of the band's care for the fans.. but the reason it's taking so long is because they are filling the freaking thing up with so much EXTRA stuff for us to see!
I mean most bands have a 2 hour show with maybe 20 minutes behind the scenes. Our guys are giving us at least an extra 2 hours in comparison to most DVDs.
I don't like the delay, but I would NEVER EVER blame it on the band's disinterest in their fans.. I mean they would make just as much cash, and make it sooner, if they released it right now. But instead they're choosing to give us the greatest live DVD the world has seen.
Really disappointing that they have to delay it so much.
Hopefully we will get a live album and not an overdubbed one, this quote about the sound quality really worries me.
Quote from: TheAtliator on May 30, 2013, 11:35:30 AM
The most ridiculous part is that people are complaining the delay (which indeed is pretty big and disappointing) is due to a lack of the band's care for the fans.. but the reason it's taking so long is because they are filling the freaking thing up with so much EXTRA stuff for us to see!
I mean most bands have a 2 hour show with maybe 20 minutes behind the scenes. Our guys are giving us at least an extra 2 hours in comparison to most DVDs.
I don't like the delay, but I would NEVER EVER blame it on the band's disinterest in their fans.. I mean they would make just as much cash, and make it sooner, if they released it right now. But instead they're choosing to give us the greatest live DVD the world has seen.
Yeah, It's 2 DVD's, or 1 bluray. I'm guessing they filled up a blurays worth of extras that will be on disc 2 of the DVD versions.
I am excited like everyone else, but damn have some patience people.
Edit: I also just realized, maybe the reason is they had to do commentary for it, and it just happened to take longer than expected to put it on there...maybe.
Quote from: Labrie1984 on May 30, 2013, 11:04:03 AM
https://destroyerofharmony.wordpress.com/2013/05/27/dream-theater-why-the-silence-on-the-live-at-luna-park-dvd-release/
This guy poses the question what if JP left and not MP.
Maybe THAT is why Rena closed her post the way she did.
Quote from: DebraKadabra on May 30, 2013, 11:33:01 AM
Quote from: DreamerTV on May 30, 2013, 11:28:15 AM
Once again: i don't really get what's the big deal about this delay. It took a year and a month to SFNY to be released (recorded in august 30 2000 it came out, you know, That day). LALP will take just a month more than SFNY. It's the lack of fb posts, tweets the real problem? C'mon!
Oh, I know. It just sounds like a lot of the delay is out of the band's hands, except for the sound issues Rena mentioned.
Also LSFNY suffered from some technical issues that were out of the band's hands, like some synchronizations problems that forced the band to postpone the release from feb 26 to march 30 to april 24 (and that day came out only the NTSC version of it, both DVD and VHS) and the PAL version of it went out only in september 2000.
Quote from: TAC on May 30, 2013, 11:46:13 AM
Quote from: Labrie1984 on May 30, 2013, 11:04:03 AM
https://destroyerofharmony.wordpress.com/2013/05/27/dream-theater-why-the-silence-on-the-live-at-luna-park-dvd-release/
This guy poses the question what if JP left and not MP.
Maybe THAT is why Rena closed her post the way she did.
Yeah, it very probably is. If JP left, there would be no band. No one would want to go on, and JP would never leave himself. If there is one single member that is a crucial part of DT, it's JP. End of story.
Apart from that horrible question, the rest of the entry was awful and I don't think that guy deserved a response, since he's gotten the facts wrong: we got DVD updates (well, non-updates, but they did comment on it) from three DT members. And Mike was in the band a full year post-Black Clouds, they had plenty of time to do film DVD then, so it's 1/5 his responsibility that the "we always got a DVD release after each album and tour cycle"-point isn't true.
The delay is disappointing but expected. I just hope this means DT12 is on for September.
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on May 30, 2013, 12:04:42 PM
I just hope this means DT12 is on for September.
I can't see why not. The album and DVD are completely separate projects. And Petrucci's tweet yesterday saying the vocals are all done is a good sign that things are running full steam ahead with the album.
Well, I am seriously disappointed, but I understand (sort of, because didn't someone from OTE say they had the first Bluray at home and it was awesome???).
Welp, glad I have the SDOIT record and the upcoming DT album to keep me satisfied.
Quote from: TheAtliator on May 30, 2013, 11:35:30 AM
The most ridiculous part is that people are complaining the delay (which indeed is pretty big and disappointing) is due to a lack of the band's care for the fans.. but the reason it's taking so long is because they are filling the freaking thing up with so much EXTRA stuff for us to see!
I mean most bands have a 2 hour show with maybe 20 minutes behind the scenes. Our guys are giving us at least an extra 2 hours in comparison to most DVDs.
I don't like the delay, but I would NEVER EVER blame it on the band's disinterest in their fans.. I mean they would make just as much cash, and make it sooner, if they released it right now. But instead they're choosing to give us the greatest live DVD the world has seen.
I'm not sure anyone ever said that the DT were disinterested in their fans because of this delay, but more because of the fact that they weren't saying anything about it. It's OK if they need to delay it but it's good to at least know why that is happening and it's good if they actually admit there is a delay.
The reason we knew there was a delay was because the sites that had it for pre-order suddenly stopped having it available and it took DT a couple of weeks to post something on Facebook stating that there officially was a delay.
And of course they are not obliged at all to say anything if they don't feel like it but when MP left they said they would take the torch and continue to communicate with fans which is happening but not in the level that some people would expect.
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on May 30, 2013, 10:35:55 AM
In related news, the world kept existing and life continues to go on.
No big deal.
Agreed. It is unfortunate that its release is being delayed so long, but all will be well. :tup :tup
Quote from: Nekov on May 30, 2013, 12:33:28 PM
Quote from: TheAtliator on May 30, 2013, 11:35:30 AM
The most ridiculous part is that people are complaining the delay (which indeed is pretty big and disappointing) is due to a lack of the band's care for the fans.. but the reason it's taking so long is because they are filling the freaking thing up with so much EXTRA stuff for us to see!
I mean most bands have a 2 hour show with maybe 20 minutes behind the scenes. Our guys are giving us at least an extra 2 hours in comparison to most DVDs.
I don't like the delay, but I would NEVER EVER blame it on the band's disinterest in their fans.. I mean they would make just as much cash, and make it sooner, if they released it right now. But instead they're choosing to give us the greatest live DVD the world has seen.
I'm not sure anyone ever said that the DT were disinterested in their fans because of this delay, but more because of the fact that they weren't saying anything about it. It's OK if they need to delay it but it's good to at least know why that is happening and it's good if they actually admit there is a delay.
The reason we knew there was a delay was because the sites that had it for pre-order suddenly stopped having it available and it took DT a couple of weeks to post something on Facebook stating that there officially was a delay.
And of course they are not obliged at all to say anything if they don't feel like it but when MP left they said they would take the torch and continue to communicate with fans which is happening but not in the level that some people would expect.
That's true, Mike might have communicated earlier that it would be closer to the end of the year, but my point is that I hope people see they haven't lost touch with their fan base. Maybe no one is saying that, so ok.
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on May 30, 2013, 12:04:42 PM
Yeah, it very probably is. If JP left, there would be no band. No one would want to go on, and JP would never leave himself. If there is one single member that is a crucial part of DT, it's JP. End of story.
I feel like a lot of people would have said that about Mike on September 7, 2010...
Quote from: Labrie1984 on May 30, 2013, 11:04:03 AM
https://destroyerofharmony.wordpress.com/2013/05/27/dream-theater-why-the-silence-on-the-live-at-luna-park-dvd-release/
Pissed-off MP fanboy much?
Quote from: a51502112 on May 30, 2013, 01:00:53 PM
Quote from: Labrie1984 on May 30, 2013, 11:04:03 AM
https://destroyerofharmony.wordpress.com/2013/05/27/dream-theater-why-the-silence-on-the-live-at-luna-park-dvd-release/
Pissed-off MP fanboy much?
Sounds like it. Some of his points are valid, but comments like, "At least when Portnoy was in the band, we always got a DVD release after each album and tour cycle, then the Ytse Jam releases would come out and then the new album would come out" (which is factually INCORRECT), really make him sound like nothing more than a pissed fanboy.
And I am someone who thinks the band should have been more forthcoming with said info - if they had time to do those 40-second youtube things where they answered predictable questions with predictable answers, then they had time to update fans on the DVD on more of a regular basis - but that guy went way over the top with it.
Seems I'm in the minority in thinking of simply being happy to have a release date for this. Not disappointed in the slightest. I understand it takes quite a bit of time and effort to arrange for something like this to be released properly. I'm not going to complain and be an ungrateful ass by knocking the band or the production company simply because I'm impatient. The band and production company have done plenty to keep their fans informed about its progress. More so than a lot of other bands would have done.
Quote from: Grizz on May 30, 2013, 12:57:15 PM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on May 30, 2013, 12:04:42 PM
Yeah, it very probably is. If JP left, there would be no band. No one would want to go on, and JP would never leave himself. If there is one single member that is a crucial part of DT, it's JP. End of story.
I feel like a lot of people would have said that about Mike on September 7, 2010...
People would have said that about MP because they like him (I should say liked him, as most people have lost a lot of respect for the man). He was a very funny, energetic, likable guy to have in the band. But MP has NEVER been a crucial member of DT. Everyone knows that John Petrucci is and has always been the MAIN writer for Dream Theater and he's the reason why DT's 'sound' sounds the way it does. Maybe MP pushed DT in a more metal direction (which, for the most part, is fine by me), but he didn't write the riffs. He didn't write any music. Yeah, he wrote lyrics here and there, and some lyrics were REALLY good. But John Petrucci is the main writer in this band, with JR being an extremely close second, and JMX being third. I'm pretty sure most people here would agree with me.
110%
Quote from: Aythesryche on May 30, 2013, 01:13:05 PM
Seems I'm in the minority in thinking of simply being happy to have a release date for this. Not disappointed in the slightest. I understand it takes quite a bit of time and effort to arrange for something like this to be released properly. I'm not going to complain and be an ungrateful ass by knocking the band or the production company simply because I'm impatient. The band and production company have done plenty to keep their fans informed about its progress. More so than a lot of other bands would have done.
That is probably true. But I think it goes without saying that a lot of fans were very spoiled by the frequency of updates Portnoy used to give fans, so they are comparing the current way not to other bands, but to the way it used to be with Dream Theater.
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on May 30, 2013, 12:04:42 PM
If there is one single member that is a crucial part of DT, it's JP. End of story.
True, JP is the most important member, although I don't see them carrying on without LaBrie either.
Quote from: Labrie1984 on May 30, 2013, 11:04:03 AM
https://destroyerofharmony.wordpress.com/2013/05/27/dream-theater-why-the-silence-on-the-live-at-luna-park-dvd-release/
I agree with the pissed-off fanboy comments about this, too, but I will say I agree with the point about the Rudess project. When your entire fanbase is being annoying on social media beggining for information about a DVD that's supposed to be released this month and shows no signs of actually coming out, it's kinda bad business practice to keep trying to market another product to them while ignoring the complaint. Jordan's explorations thing is cool, but he obviously had to have seen all the people asking him for information on the DVD on his facebook, and I think it would have been easy for him to just settle the issue with a tweet or two.
It's kinda like when you go to the Verizon store and you ask them about an issue you have with your current phone, and instead of listening to you they just ignore it and try and sell you an iPad.
Not that the fans SHOULD be so annoyed, but hopefully you guys get what I'm saying.
Quote from: Aythesryche on May 30, 2013, 01:13:05 PM
Seems I'm in the minority in thinking of simply being happy to have a release date for this. Not disappointed in the slightest. I understand it takes quite a bit of time and effort to arrange for something like this to be released properly. I'm not going to complain and be an ungrateful ass by knocking the band or the production company simply because I'm impatient. The band and production company have done plenty to keep their fans informed about its progress. More so than a lot of other bands would have done.
Frankly, I'm in the same minority.
I've not been edge-of-my-seat excited about the release for a long time. DVD's coming - cool. I'm sure I'll enjoy it. Haven't been too bothered when, but it's nice after so much milling around to finally have a date.
They weren't, realistically, going to release it too close to DT12, anyway. I'm sure that's half the rationale. Getting dangerously close, don't want to be releasing mixed messages or spreading the DT-buck too thin. New music's the priority. When Luna Park comes out, it's gonna be a treat, but there's no rush. No news was a little fidgetty - confirmation is relaxing. Not the perfect confirmation, but a pretty good one. Plus, if they do belay the DT12 tour until 2014 as JP suggested, it's gonna sell a lot of tickets. First stop -
everyone's living room! Next stop, I dunno, Oslo?
15 months does sound like a long time from shoot to street, but I just plain can't bring myself to be annoyed! It's a decent news day.
Quote from: robwebster on May 30, 2013, 01:55:55 PM
Quote from: Aythesryche on May 30, 2013, 01:13:05 PM
Seems I'm in the minority in thinking of simply being happy to have a release date for this. Not disappointed in the slightest. I understand it takes quite a bit of time and effort to arrange for something like this to be released properly. I'm not going to complain and be an ungrateful ass by knocking the band or the production company simply because I'm impatient. The band and production company have done plenty to keep their fans informed about its progress. More so than a lot of other bands would have done.
Frankly, I'm in the same minority.
I've not been edge-of-my-seat excited about the release for a long time. DVD's coming - cool. I'm sure I'll enjoy it. Haven't been too bothered when, but it's nice after so much milling around to finally have a date.
They weren't, realistically, going to release it too close to DT12, anyway. I'm sure that's half the rationale. Getting dangerously close, don't want to be releasing mixed messages or spreading the DT-buck too thin. New music's the priority. When Luna Park comes out, it's gonna be a treat, but there's no rush. No news was a little fidgetty - confirmation is relaxing. Not the perfect confirmation, but a pretty good one. Plus, if they do belay the DT12 tour until 2014 as JP suggested, it's gonna sell a lot of tickets. First stop - everyone's living room! Next stop, I dunno, Oslo?
15 months does sound like a long time from shoot to street, but I just plain can't bring myself to be annoyed! It's a decent news day.
If it the DVD was released July and DT12 releases in September, then that would be the same amount of time as September to November, wouldn't it?
I think it is great news to have an established date no matter how far in the future. But then I'm older and November doesn't seem that far away to me.
Just to add to the speculation...perhaps they believe they have something really special on their hands and wish to release the DVD closer to the January Grammys?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammy_Award_for_Best_Long_Form_Music_Video (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammy_Award_for_Best_Long_Form_Music_Video)
:)
Quote from: Perpetual Change on May 30, 2013, 01:38:47 PM
Jordan's explorations thing is cool, but he obviously had to have seen all the people asking him for information on the DVD on his facebook, and I think it would have been easy for him to just settle the issue with a tweet or two.
Except he did answer (the same answer JP gave us, "the DVD is coming along, be patient") in a tweet once, and IIRC the original tweet that started this "twitter convo" (okay I swear I actually know how Twitter works please bear with me) was one about Explorations/Explores.
Just going to chime in and say I'm a little disappointed that the new concert experience won't be here sooner, but I'm only a little disappointed. I could really care less how long it takes as long as they get it right. I'm fine with a November release date. I'm kind of excited for all of the DT craziness to be happening this fall! It should make for some fun times at DTF come September through until the end of the year! :tup
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on May 30, 2013, 02:31:18 PM
Quote from: Perpetual Change on May 30, 2013, 01:38:47 PM
Jordan's explorations thing is cool, but he obviously had to have seen all the people asking him for information on the DVD on his facebook, and I think it would have been easy for him to just settle the issue with a tweet or two.
Except he did answer (the same answer JP gave us, "the DVD is coming along, be patient") in a tweet once, and IIRC the original tweet that started this "twitter convo" (okay I swear I actually know how Twitter works please bear with me) was one about Explorations/Explores.
What she said.
As for the happy/disappointed debate, I'm definitely happy that we finally have a release date. Of course I would have liked better a closer date, but time passes quite faster than we tend to believe. I am only slightly concerned with the sound issue. I hope there won't be any permanent "scarring" on the recording, like sub-par sound quality or completely re-recorded vocals.
Yeah, just think of the trouble they would've go through when the sound wasn't even recorded properly that night. I mean, it would be a beginners mistake, but it could happen. Especially trouble with output levels etc. is killing, every note would be distorted, and you'd have to rerecord abberything.
But I'm guessing the issue wasn't that big, or they would've been more cautious with giving dates from the get-go.
But WAIT A MOMENT. What about this status update? https://www.facebook.com/rich.chycki/posts/508354909208558
Chycki took care of the mixing of the audio stram for the DVD. Unless by "can" he meant "trash can" I don't see how these two seemingly opposite bits of information fit together.
Great point! Only explanation left is that it has to do with some extra documentary or something.
Quote from: wasteland on May 30, 2013, 03:01:38 PM
But WAIT A MOMENT. What about this status update? https://www.facebook.com/rich.chycki/posts/508354909208558
Chycki took care of the mixing of the audio stram for the DVD. Unless by "can" he meant "trash can" I don't see how these two seemingly opposite bits of information fit together.
Chycki may not have been taking care of the 5.1 mix which could have run into a snag when the prototype Bluray's were burned. You know how 5.1 can have decoding challenges on different machines. The point is; it could almost be anything. Perhaps one day they will tell us(?).
Quote from: YtseCullen on May 30, 2013, 02:44:06 PM
Just going to chime in and say I'm a little disappointed that the new concert experience won't be here sooner, but I'm only a little disappointed. I could really care less how long it takes as long as they get it right. I'm fine with a November release date. I'm kind of excited for all of the DT craziness to be happening this fall!
Personally I'm going to be way more concerned about the PS4/Xbox1 releases come Fall/Xmas than any DT DVD - but one good thing about this delay is that I'll finally have a BluRay player on one of those systems so I guess I can finally take advantage of seeing DT in BR.
Quote from: JPX on May 30, 2013, 03:36:06 PM
Quote from: YtseCullen on May 30, 2013, 02:44:06 PM
Just going to chime in and say I'm a little disappointed that the new concert experience won't be here sooner, but I'm only a little disappointed. I could really care less how long it takes as long as they get it right. I'm fine with a November release date. I'm kind of excited for all of the DT craziness to be happening this fall!
Personally I'm going to be way more concerned about the PS4/Xbox1 releases come Fall/Xmas than any DT DVD - but one good thing about this delay is that I'll finally have a BluRay player on one of those systems so I guess I can finally take advantage of seeing DT in BR.
It is a huuuuuge difference! You will be so amazed. I'm a PlayStation person myself, so looking forward to the PS4.
Quote from: Shadow2222 on May 30, 2013, 04:22:51 PM
Quote from: JPX on May 30, 2013, 03:36:06 PM
Quote from: YtseCullen on May 30, 2013, 02:44:06 PM
Just going to chime in and say I'm a little disappointed that the new concert experience won't be here sooner, but I'm only a little disappointed. I could really care less how long it takes as long as they get it right. I'm fine with a November release date. I'm kind of excited for all of the DT craziness to be happening this fall!
Personally I'm going to be way more concerned about the PS4/Xbox1 releases come Fall/Xmas than any DT DVD - but one good thing about this delay is that I'll finally have a BluRay player on one of those systems so I guess I can finally take advantage of seeing DT in BR.
It is a huuuuuge difference! You will be so amazed. I'm a PlayStation person myself, so looking forward to the PS4.
I'm an Xbox 360 user currently but after seeing the One reveal I'm toally going with the PS4. I don't buy movies but it will be nice to get a chance to use it for this DT release.
Quote from: Podaar on May 30, 2013, 03:13:07 PM
Quote from: wasteland on May 30, 2013, 03:01:38 PM
But WAIT A MOMENT. What about this status update? https://www.facebook.com/rich.chycki/posts/508354909208558
Chycki took care of the mixing of the audio stram for the DVD. Unless by "can" he meant "trash can" I don't see how these two seemingly opposite bits of information fit together.
Chycki may not have been taking care of the 5.1 mix which could have run into a snag when the prototype Bluray's were burned. You know how 5.1 can have decoding challenges on different machines. The point is; it could almost be anything. Perhaps one day they will tell us(?).
I don't think that's the case. One of the reasons the band hired him is most likely the work he did remastering a few Rush albums in 5.1, it wouldn't make sense not to have him for that.
At first I was disappointed when I heard about the new release date after all this time with no updates at all. Then I took my time to think about it, and my final thought is: whatever. These guys wrote most of the soundtrack of my life. They deserve my faith and much more. So yes, I can live with that.
Yeah well, it's not like the delay will make the experience of watching and listening to LALP any less awesome. Of course I would have rather seen that it was released in May the way they originally planned but in the end it's not such a big deal to me. The only thing that will feel a bit weird is that a live Blu-ray released well after the release of the latest album won't feature any music from that album.
I just don't understand how you guys think that that was actually JP's wife in the comments section of this article.
https://destroyerofharmony.wordpress.com/2013/05/27/dream-theater-why-the-silence-on-the-live-at-luna-park-dvd-release/ (https://destroyerofharmony.wordpress.com/2013/05/27/dream-theater-why-the-silence-on-the-live-at-luna-park-dvd-release/)
Any person can put whatever name they choose when they comment and for all we know someone put JP's wife's name just to mess with the internet. For now I don't consider it credible unless she or the band somehow officially respond.
And although the DVD is far away it's better to have a release date already than knowing nothing
Quote from: The Stray Seed on May 31, 2013, 02:18:46 AM
At first I was disappointed when I heard about the new release date after all this time with no updates at all. Then I took my time to think about it, and my final thought is: whatever. These guys wrote most of the soundtrack of my life. They deserve my faith and much more. So yes, I can live with that.
This.
The only thing I'm worried about now is if it has any effect on the release of the new album. Hopefully not.
Shouldn't the book and iTunes video be added to the fact finder? I don't remember hearing about those items before. Pretty cool that they were added. Anyone want to speculate on the details of these items? (I actually enjoy reading everyone's ideas about stuff we don't know, humorous and sometimes thought provoking :biggrin: )
Quote from: wasteland on May 30, 2013, 11:17:42 PM
Quote from: Podaar on May 30, 2013, 03:13:07 PM
Quote from: wasteland on May 30, 2013, 03:01:38 PM
But WAIT A MOMENT. What about this status update? https://www.facebook.com/rich.chycki/posts/508354909208558
Chycki took care of the mixing of the audio stram for the DVD. Unless by "can" he meant "trash can" I don't see how these two seemingly opposite bits of information fit together.
Chycki may not have been taking care of the 5.1 mix which could have run into a snag when the prototype Bluray's were burned. You know how 5.1 can have decoding challenges on different machines. The point is; it could almost be anything. Perhaps one day they will tell us(?).
I don't think that's the case. One of the reasons the band hired him is most likely the work he did remastering a few Rush albums in 5.1, it wouldn't make sense not to have him for that.
Cool! I know nearly nothing about Mr. Chycki's resume so I'm pleased to be guided by you... wait... what! That didn't come out quite right..
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That's classic.
:lol
:rollin
This needs to be shared as much as possible LOL.
:clap:
Pouring gold. :tup :hefdaddy :clap:
Well done :lol
Fantastic job. :tup
:clap:
:lol :rollin :lol
lol
I laughed like them when I saw that. I think this is one of the best ones :lol :lol :lol
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I'm gonna name that crying girl " Dawn ".
Because the smile of Dawn was gone by late May .
:rollin Excellent pic.
Yes. And for once I cannot think of anything :p
Zydar has already used the crying girl meme. :zydar:
Come November - everyone will be like :
" Wow the DVD Is out - that wait was nothing - remember when we were freaking out at how long we'd have to wait ? "
;D
I believe this has more to do with projected sales than anything else - and that does not bother me, I hope they make millions. There probably were tech issues that delayed the original release date, but that put the DVD release within too close a window with the CD release. If the release of the DVD were pushed too close to the release of the CD, both would probably take a hit in sales. However, November is close enough to Christmas, that folks always find a little extra cash and justify a purchase they would not normally make or a purchase for gift giving.
Again, this is DT's livelihood, they should make their decisions based on revenue first but being careful not to fully alienate a loyal fanbase.
Quote from: AngelBack on May 31, 2013, 08:12:57 AM
However, November is close enough to Christmas, that folks always find a little extra cash and justify a purchase they would not normally make or a purchase for gift giving.
When OSI planned to release an album in Oct/Nov of 2011, Metal Blade pushed it back to March 2013 and I seem to recall the band or label explaining that it was because they were releasing the album too close to Christmas and sales are usually lower around that time of year. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see this DVD until 2014, despite the fact that they have already announced a Nov. 2013 release.
I don't get a clue... I mean, it's music not ice cream.
And anyway why then so many bands and artists make special CDs for Christmas?
Quote from: AngelBack on May 31, 2013, 08:12:57 AM
I believe this has more to do with projected sales than anything else - and that does not bother me, I hope they make millions. There probably were tech issues that delayed the original release date, but that put the DVD release within too close a window with the CD release. If the release of the DVD were pushed too close to the release of the CD, both would probably take a hit in sales. However, November is close enough to Christmas, that folks always find a little extra cash and justify a purchase they would not normally make or a purchase for gift giving.
Again, this is DT's livelihood, they should make their decisions based on revenue first but being careful not to fully alienate a loyal fanbase.
Well said, I fully agree.
Quote from: dodido253 on May 31, 2013, 06:07:35 AM
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I'm going to share this on my Facebook event page for my viewing party, if you dont mind :rollin very funny
Quote from: AngelBack on May 31, 2013, 08:12:57 AM
Again, this is DT's livelihood, they should make their decisions based on revenue first but being careful not to fully alienate a loyal fanbase.
Making decisions on their revenue is the same thing as being good to their fan base- how do you think they've gotten this far?? You can't have one without the other, so we're in luck! Aahh the beauties of capitalism!
Quote from: Kotowboy on May 31, 2013, 07:52:36 AM
" Wow the DVD Is out - that wait was nothing - remember when we were freaking out at how long we'd have to wait ? "
;D
Said nobody, ever.
Quote from: Mindflux on May 31, 2013, 09:11:09 AM
Quote from: Kotowboy on May 31, 2013, 07:52:36 AM
" Wow the DVD Is out - that wait was nothing - remember when we were freaking out at how long we'd have to wait ? "
;D
Said nobody, ever.
Because it hasn't happened yet.
Quote from: GasparXR on May 31, 2013, 09:40:19 AM
Quote from: Mindflux on May 31, 2013, 09:11:09 AM
Quote from: Kotowboy on May 31, 2013, 07:52:36 AM
" Wow the DVD Is out - that wait was nothing - remember when we were freaking out at how long we'd have to wait ? "
;D
Said nobody, ever.
Because it hasn't happened yet.
And won't happen.
Quote from: Mindflux on May 31, 2013, 10:19:47 AM
Quote from: GasparXR on May 31, 2013, 09:40:19 AM
Quote from: Mindflux on May 31, 2013, 09:11:09 AM
Quote from: Kotowboy on May 31, 2013, 07:52:36 AM
" Wow the DVD Is out - that wait was nothing - remember when we were freaking out at how long we'd have to wait ? "
;D
Said nobody, ever.
Because it hasn't happened yet.
And won't happen.
Directed by M. Night Shyamalan.
So if you buy this quote from the facebook link:
"It will be abundantly clear why the extra time was needed come November"
Which bit of speculation makes the most sense - (fast forward to Nov.) Now that the DVD is out, we are sure that it is abundantly clear to you that:
- we ran into a snag when the prototype Blurays were burned
- we had to give you an overdubbed album instead of a live one
- this had more to do with projected sales than anything else
- we have something special here and the Grammys are just around the corner
- the extra documentary and other content was worth the wait
- this was directed by M. Night Shyamalan
now that^ is a good point!
Quote from: TheSilentHam on May 31, 2013, 12:36:44 PM
So if you buy this quote from the facebook link:
"It will be abundantly clear why the extra time was needed come November"
Which bit of speculation makes the most sense - (fast forward to Nov.) Now that the DVD is out, we are sure that it is abundantly clear to you that:
- this was directed by M. Night Shyamalan
:rollin
Please let it be that option so at least we can all laugh about it
Quote from: TheSilentHam on May 31, 2013, 12:36:44 PM
So if you buy this quote from the facebook link:
"It will be abundantly clear why the extra time was needed come November"
Which bit of speculation makes the most sense - (fast forward to Nov.) Now that the DVD is out, we are sure that it is abundantly clear to you that:
- this was directed by M. Night Shyamalan
Then we can start speculating on the twist ending..... JP is in fact NOT a bear
The one thing I am having a tuff time understanding (and has me a bit worried), is that OTE posted on FB that they had a complete finished copy and it was awesome/great, etc. THEN, somehwhere after that someone, wether it be the band, OTE, whomever, made a decision that, hey something is wrong here with this "great" product. Hence having to go back and "redo" audio on the great product.
Just sayin.
I fully agree man!
I'm buying the bluray because DT is my favourite band but....I don't want a completely overdubbed version! I wouldn't understand it because they all have sounded great on this tour.
I don't really know what the difference in sales between a May and a November release should be?! In May, people could say "Well, going on vacation soon, so no money for DVDs left" while in November they could buy more important xmas gifts than DVDs.... OK, during summer and January less records are released, based on recent release calendars.... but if things were so simple, bands would release records only during Valentine's day and Xmas, wouldn't they?!
Why does Black Sabbath release their long-awaited record in June? ;D
Quote from: dodido253 on May 31, 2013, 06:07:35 AM
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GOLD
Yeah I can see it ending up being a total mess, with album soundtracks tacked onto the footage. I just hope it all works out :/
Maybe the problem with the audio is the reason the trailer features the album track, not the live track from the CD?
If in fact it's an audio issue, I wonder if it's JP second guessing what was supposed to be the final mix, whether the stereo or surround sound mix. Remember that he is the guy more focused on the sonic qualities of each album and was the one that second guessed the mix of SFaM after David Botrill had completed the mixes. I gotta wonder if something similar happened here, perhaps with both mixes. That would require more time to redo, especially since they're in the middle of working on the new album. And it wouldn't surprise me if they opted to push the release date back a little because of the release of the new studio album as everyone has been speculating.
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Holy shit!!!!!! :rollin :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :rollin
Quote from: Setlist Scotty on May 31, 2013, 03:56:37 PM
If in fact it's an audio issue, I wonder if it's JP second guessing what was supposed to be the final mix, whether the stereo or surround sound mix.
What if the drums were mixed too low?
Quote from: dodido253 on May 31, 2013, 06:07:35 AM
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Where did this photo come from???
Quote from: darkshade on May 31, 2013, 11:59:36 PM
Quote from: Setlist Scotty on May 31, 2013, 03:56:37 PM
If in fact it's an audio issue, I wonder if it's JP second guessing what was supposed to be the final mix, whether the stereo or surround sound mix.
What if the drums were mixed too low?
Then they mix them higher up. With this kind of quality live album they record every track separate, just to be able to edit everything.
Like I said, if there was some sort of noise in the system, or the tracks were gained to high and distort, then you have a problem.
Quote from: darkshade on June 01, 2013, 12:02:10 AM
Where did this photo come from???
I managed to track down the original image using the Google.
https://theshamansblog.wordpress.com/2013/02/02/ote-da-mas-datos-sobre-live-at-luna-park/attachment/38/
Quote from: darkshade on June 01, 2013, 12:02:10 AM
Where did this photo come from???
It's from the official trailer. It's at 1:35.
Quote from: darkshade on May 31, 2013, 11:59:36 PM
Quote from: Setlist Scotty on May 31, 2013, 03:56:37 PM
If in fact it's an audio issue, I wonder if it's JP second guessing what was supposed to be the final mix, whether the stereo or surround sound mix.
What if the drums were mixed too low?
Maybe Pull Me Under cuts off suddenly.
Quote from: Kotowboy on June 01, 2013, 04:45:27 AM
Quote from: darkshade on May 31, 2013, 11:59:36 PM
Quote from: Setlist Scotty on May 31, 2013, 03:56:37 PM
If in fact it's an audio issue, I wonder if it's JP second guessing what was supposed to be the final mix, whether the stereo or surround sound mix.
What if the drums were mixed too low?
Maybe Pull Me Under cuts off suddenly.
pffff.. They can't find where they hid the morse code.
Quote from: dodido253 on May 31, 2013, 06:07:35 AM
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:lol :lol :lol :lol
Using the same picture...
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It's better they "Take The Time" :biggrin: and do it right than have another CiM.
Quote from: KevShmev on June 01, 2013, 08:47:43 AM
Using the same picture...
LOL brutal :rollin
Quote from: dparrott on June 01, 2013, 08:48:25 AM
It's better they "Take The Time" :biggrin: and do it right than have another CiM.
That's actually literally exactly right, where's the joke :lol
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It took me a while to get that :lol
That was done right.
bosky, wake up! You're missing all the fun!
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:lol :lol :lol
:rollin
Hey guys!!
So....
"Live at Luna Park" will be released AFTER the release of the new album.
OR...
The new album will be out BEFORE the blu-ray!! :loser:
WTF ??? :yeahright
Quote from: sylvinception on June 03, 2013, 03:11:50 AM
Hey guys!!
So....
"Live at Luna Park" will be released AFTER the release of the new album.
OR...
The new album will be out BEFORE the blu-ray!! :loser:
WTF ??? :yeahright
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Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 01, 2013, 11:23:18 AM
bosky, wake up! You're missing all the fun!
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I wasn't sleeping. My respirator clogged, and I blacked out.
Hope everything turned out OK.
No worries, everyone survived.
RRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Well, I mean, it wasn't nearly as bad as the time I threw that creepy old dude into the pit and got force lighning'd in the process. But it still wasn't exactly a walk in the park either.
How many times do I have to tell you, bosky? Blue milk goes in the left feeding tube, fried womp rat goes in the right feeding tube. The filter can't handle solids if you send it down the wrong one.
Poor bosky. He hasn't tasted anything for twenty years, and you even wonder why he was pissed off all the time. :lol
New album release date was 'Late Summer' in my mind, did I read that officially somewhere? Summer ends September 21st give or take a day. Meaning new album August/September?
Then live album.
Right?
Guys?
....right? :)
Yeah, the new album somewhere in Autumn, like September/October and Live at Luna Park in 5th of November.
Or I hope so at least, let's hope there's no delay this time..
Quote from: wasteland on June 03, 2013, 09:09:39 AM
Poor bosky. He hasn't tasted anything for twenty years, and you even wonder why he was pissed off all the time. :lol
:lol :lol :lol
:bosky:
:omg: Vader's back! :squee: :squee:
I have closed my office door, and am listening to Epica's version of The Imperial March on autorepeat for the rest of the afternoon.
Hey, bosky. What you do on your own time is your business. We are not here to judge.
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:rollin
Someone bought up the fact that the Metropolis DVD took nearly as long to get out as Luna Park. The Metropolis one had loads of graphics and MS Paint-style borders tacked onto it. Imagine if Luna Park was the same? :metal
EDIT: By the way I hated em on Live Scenes!
It's actually amazing, and perhaps a little sad, how quickly we've become spoiled. Bands didn't used to release concert vids every tour, or every two or three tours. You got them when you got them.
I love Rush, and pretty much every concert of theirs is great, but I think they may have actually raised the bar a bit too high. They made a lot of concert videos, and now it's practically expected to get a concert vid for every tour, or at least every couple of tours. And as we all know, Dream Theater are often influenced by Rush, but the same might be said of many of their fans.
Quote from: bosk1 on June 03, 2013, 01:29:30 PM
I have closed my office door, and am listening to Epica's version of The Imperial March on autorepeat for the rest of the afternoon.
This is the most requested song from my boys when they're in my vehicle. They call it the Darth Vadar song...
Quote from: Orbert on June 07, 2013, 06:58:59 AM
It's actually amazing, and perhaps a little sad, how quickly we've become spoiled. Bands didn't used to release concert vids every tour, or every two or three tours. You got them when you got them.
I love Rush, and pretty much every concert of theirs is great, but I think they may have actually raised the bar a bit too high. They made a lot of concert videos, and now it's practically expected to get a concert vid for every tour, or at least every couple of tours. And as we all know, Dream Theater are often influenced by Rush, but the same might be said of many of their fans.
I still think this is a special case. We heard a few months ago that the mix was finished and whenever asked about more info we were told: soon. If they hadn't wiggled the carrot before us over the past six months people wouldn't be so surprised now.
Quote from: Orbert on June 07, 2013, 06:58:59 AM
It's actually amazing, and perhaps a little sad, how quickly we've become spoiled. Bands didn't used to release concert vids every tour, or every two or three tours. You got them when you got them.
I love Rush, and pretty much every concert of theirs is great, but I think they may have actually raised the bar a bit too high. They made a lot of concert videos, and now it's practically expected to get a concert vid for every tour, or at least every couple of tours. And as we all know, Dream Theater are often influenced by Rush, but the same might be said of many of their fans.
For me I love it. I hate when people complain why a band puts out another live DVD. First I tell them they don't have to buy it. Secondly, I used to by bootleg videos of every tour, now it's great quality and the Blu Ray's don't cost that much. Me likey!
Oh, I'm not complaining. I have a bunch of Rush vids, and all the DT vids as well. I'm just saying that it seems people are expecting one every tour or two, and that's just gonna lead to disappointment.
me7 does have a good point, though. It's not just that we're expecting this one, it's that the carrot has been dangling for a while, and they kept pushing it back. In a certain sense, "not playing fairly" about it. But eh, I tend to be pretty patient about things like this because I'll just buy it when I have both the cash and the opportunity. I'm not a "must buy first day" kinda guy.
Quote from: Orbert on June 07, 2013, 06:58:59 AM
It's actually amazing, and perhaps a little sad, how quickly we've become spoiled. Bands didn't used to release concert vids every tour, or every two or three tours. You got them when you got them.
I think that's a bit unfair, I don't remember any major fuss being kicked up over the lack of a BCSL DVD. People are kerfuffling cos we were told to get excited for May, and they then went on a complete media blackout, before saying, "Yeah, it's delayed" at the very tail end of the month.
I'm not particularly fussed either way, I don't particularly mind the wait, but I think it's a little bit of a misrepresentation to say people are spoiled. I think people are all right to be a little vexed.
There is no doubt that DT has spoiled some of the fan base with so many releases over the years but I agree, that's not where the anger of this release comes from. It feels like we've been docked around for the past few months. It stinks but its not a big deal because it will come out and it will be awesome and we have a lot to look forward to this August September and November and that's not even including the tour to be announced.
And suddenly, this thread is dead silent. olol
Anyone think the delay was so OTE could add footage from recording the new album? Since it'll now be released after the album and OTE has been filming them in the studio, instead of including footage with the CD, they'll add it to the DVD package to help promote the new album as well?
Quote from: cramx3 on June 08, 2013, 11:49:48 AM
Anyone think the delay was so OTE could add footage from recording the new album? Since it'll now be released after the album and OTE has been filming them in the studio, instead of including footage with the CD, they'll add it to the DVD package to help promote the new album as well?
Then they wont have a reason to sell a 'super deluxe' version of the CD when it comes out with a "making of DVD". It also doesn't make sense for a "making of Dream Theater(S/T)" disc to come with the luna park set.
If they want to promote the album that way, then the BluRay should be released before the album, not after it :huh:
I keep thinking that they might include some MM instructional stuff, i think he said in the DTNorway podcast that he was planning to do a DVD but it won't happen after all, although i'm not sure i remember correctly.
It would be a great bonus though.
Quote from: cramx3 on June 08, 2013, 11:49:48 AM
Anyone think the delay was so OTE could add footage from recording the new album? Since it'll now be released after the album and OTE has been filming them in the studio, instead of including footage with the CD, they'll add it to the DVD package to help promote the new album as well?
The new album and LALP are coming from two different companies so... I doubt it.
Honestly, I don't understand why they're not waiting Christmas for the release.
Few weeks more or less, what difference does it make ? :yeahright
They forgot that Christmas is the time of the gifts ?? :loser:
I just hope everything is okay in the sound department.
Quote from: Jinx on June 12, 2013, 02:33:27 AM
I just hope everything is okay in the sound department.
The audio files were corrupted and they are having to re-record the entire concert in studio. :(
Quote from: Dream Team on June 12, 2013, 06:35:24 AM
Quote from: Jinx on June 12, 2013, 02:33:27 AM
I just hope everything is okay in the sound department.
The audio files were corrupted and they are having to re-record the entire concert in studio. :(
Are you saying this out of some knowledge or is it just pessimistic talk? Because I believe you should specify, to avoid misunderstandings in the readers.
I would be very surprised if that was true.
That would be absolutely horrible
That can't be true??
NO, but it would explain A LOT. :-[
Quote from: Dream Team on June 12, 2013, 06:35:24 AM
Quote from: Jinx on June 12, 2013, 02:33:27 AM
I just hope everything is okay in the sound department.
The audio files were corrupted and they are having to re-record the entire concert in studio. :(
I seriously doubt that.
Quote from: Dream Team on June 12, 2013, 06:35:24 AM
Quote from: Jinx on June 12, 2013, 02:33:27 AM
I just hope everything is okay in the sound department.
The audio files were corrupted and they are having to re-record the entire concert in studio. :(
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Quote from: Dream Team on June 12, 2013, 06:35:24 AM
Quote from: Jinx on June 12, 2013, 02:33:27 AM
I just hope everything is okay in the sound department.
The audio files were corrupted and they are having to re-record the entire concert in studio. :(
. . . and they're going to retitle it "Alive".
Quote from: ZirconBlue on June 12, 2013, 08:31:24 AM
Quote from: Dream Team on June 12, 2013, 06:35:24 AM
Quote from: Jinx on June 12, 2013, 02:33:27 AM
I just hope everything is okay in the sound department.
The audio files were corrupted and they are having to re-record the entire concert in studio. :(
. . . and they're going to retitle it "Alive".
:metal I like it already!
Alternatively, they're going to name it Dream Theater. I just blew all of your minds. :neverusethis:
Quote from: wasteland on June 12, 2013, 06:55:52 AM
Quote from: Dream Team on June 12, 2013, 06:35:24 AM
Quote from: Jinx on June 12, 2013, 02:33:27 AM
I just hope everything is okay in the sound department.
The audio files were corrupted and they are having to re-record the entire concert in studio. :(
Are you saying this out of some knowledge or is it just pessimistic talk? Because I believe you should specify, to avoid misunderstandings in the readers.
I'm pretty sure it's a mutation of the rumour that there were problems with the sound quality. "It took longer because there were issues with the sound quality" (itself completely unconfirmed) becomes, "I hope they didn't have to re-record the whole thing," becomes, "They were talking about re-recording the whole DVD over at DTF," becomes, "...They re-recorded the whole DVD?!" becomes, "They recorded the whole DVD."
This is sort of why I wanted to do the fact finder thing, at the top. If that were a fact, it'd be in the finder.
Well, if they spent the last couple of months rerecording some, half, or all of Luna Park, that would be a pretty hard fact to "find". So we are free to speculate as to why the delay, no matter how ridiculous our theories are.
Oh, yeah, speculate all you like! I'm not saying don't speculate, I'm just saying that if you're going to say things like "The audio files were corrupted and they are having to re-record the entire concert in studio :(" as a matter of fact, it's worth trying to trace that thread and ascertain that it is, actually, a matter of fact. Not least cos if it is... I want to know about it!
Words are dangerous, and ideas are hard to kill. I love speculation, but do it responsibly! When a rumour gets codified, it's never one person's fault - I certainly don't think this is Dream Team's fault - but if you're sensing you might be a link in a chain of chinese whispers, never hurts to clarify.
Agreed.
Sorry guys, should have used the green font. I didn't think anyone would take it seriously.
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Quote from: Dream Team on June 12, 2013, 06:35:24 AM
Quote from: Jinx on June 12, 2013, 02:33:27 AM
I just hope everything is okay in the sound department.
The audio files were corrupted and they are having to re-record the entire concert in studio. :(
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Wow, something that was played out at 5/8 years ago. Good job. :tup
Quote from: Dream Team on June 12, 2013, 11:22:16 AM
Sorry guys, should have used the green font. I didn't think anyone would take it seriously.
:lol Just be careful what you let lose on DTF, it feed on unconfirmed things and can quickly cause major devastation if not contained immediately!
Quote from: ZirconBlue on June 12, 2013, 08:31:24 AM
Quote from: Dream Team on June 12, 2013, 06:35:24 AM
Quote from: Jinx on June 12, 2013, 02:33:27 AM
I just hope everything is okay in the sound department.
The audio files were corrupted and they are having to re-record the entire concert in studio. :(
. . . and they're going to retitle it "Alive".
I made a compilation of their best live songs years ago, that was the title of it. Funny you say that.
Quote from: Dream Team on June 12, 2013, 11:25:13 AMWow, something that was played out at 5/8 years ago. Good job. :tup
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Quote from: robwebster on June 12, 2013, 10:11:36 AM
"It took longer because there were issues with the sound quality" (itself completely unconfirmed) becomes, "I hope they didn't have to re-record the whole thing," becomes, "They were talking about re-recording the whole DVD over at DTF," becomes, "...They re-recorded the whole DVD?!" becomes, "They recorded the whole DVD."
. . . becomes "They recorded the whole DVD purple monkey dishwasher."
Quote from: Big Hath on June 12, 2013, 02:24:44 PM
. . . becomes "They recorded the whole DVD purple monkey dishwasher."
...becomes "They recorded the whole DVD pull me under."
Does that mean the DVD cuts off just before the encore?
Quote from: cyberdrummer on June 12, 2013, 03:37:58 PM
Does that mean the DVD cuts off just before the encore?
Every track is PMU.
Quote from: cyberdrummer on June 12, 2013, 03:37:58 PM
Does that mean the DVD cuts off just before the en
FIFY
I know I'm following the pack here and way behind, but I just read that the DVD will be released on November 5. I'm just glad they've given a solid date. Sooo cannot wait :tup
Guess who bought a bluray player in April just for watching this...? :lol Nevertheless it's good that now we should at least be sure about when it's coming. I guess I should buy the Live at Budokan bluray or something else just to check that my player works, I haven't been able to test it yet. :P
They do make BluRay porn, cuz ;)
Quote from: Fisi on June 13, 2013, 12:22:27 AM
Guess who bought a bluray player in April just for watching this...? :lol Nevertheless it's good that now we should at least be sure about when it's coming. I guess I should buy the Live at Budokan bluray or something else just to check that my player works, I haven't been able to test it yet. :P
I bought my bluray player about a month ago, in preparation for this. The first disc I bought was Live At Budokan, and I was not disappointed. Great quality in both sound and video.
Quote from: Zydar on June 13, 2013, 01:02:37 AM
Quote from: Fisi on June 13, 2013, 12:22:27 AM
Guess who bought a bluray player in April just for watching this...? :lol Nevertheless it's good that now we should at least be sure about when it's coming. I guess I should buy the Live at Budokan bluray or something else just to check that my player works, I haven't been able to test it yet. :P
I bought my bluray player about a month ago, in preparation for this. The first disc I bought was Live At Budokan, and I was not disappointed. Great quality in both sound and video.
Cool, just ordered it. :tup
Quote from: Zydar on June 13, 2013, 01:02:37 AM
Quote from: Fisi on June 13, 2013, 12:22:27 AM
Guess who bought a bluray player in April just for watching this...? :lol Nevertheless it's good that now we should at least be sure about when it's coming. I guess I should buy the Live at Budokan bluray or something else just to check that my player works, I haven't been able to test it yet. :P
I bought my bluray player about a month ago, in preparation for this. The first disc I bought was Live At Budokan, and I was not disappointed. Great quality in both sound and video.
By BluRay standards, Budokan is below average. Expect to be blown away by the Luna Park BluRay.
Quote from: me7 on June 13, 2013, 02:08:42 AM
Quote from: Zydar on June 13, 2013, 01:02:37 AM
Quote from: Fisi on June 13, 2013, 12:22:27 AM
Guess who bought a bluray player in April just for watching this...? :lol Nevertheless it's good that now we should at least be sure about when it's coming. I guess I should buy the Live at Budokan bluray or something else just to check that my player works, I haven't been able to test it yet. :P
I bought my bluray player about a month ago, in preparation for this. The first disc I bought was Live At Budokan, and I was not disappointed. Great quality in both sound and video.
By BluRay standards, Budokan is below average. Expect to be blown away by the Luna Park BluRay.
How would you know?
He's working for Over The Edge? :omg:
Just thank me for the facts ;)
But seriously, I know it because it can only go up from the Budokan BluRay. It was a lot better than the DVD, but still disappointing as a BluRay.
Quote from: me7 on June 13, 2013, 05:15:04 AM
Just thank me for the facts ;)
But seriously, I know it because it can only go up from the Budokan BluRay. It was a lot better than the DVD, but still disappointing as a BluRay.
So you still don't actually know the quality of the product?
He's assuming Luna Park will be amazing quality.
I'm assuming that the picture quality of Luna Park will be at least average, which would already be enough to make Budokan pale in comparison.
I'm also actually thinking of getting Blu-Ray before this comes out; but then I'll have to probably get a new surround sound system as well so we'll see . . .
Quote from: Dream Team on June 13, 2013, 01:11:45 PM
I'll have to probably get a new surround sound system as well so we'll see . . .
So then you can be lying there surrounded?
So, looked over at the cube next door a few minutes ago and saw the admin working on some slideshow about safe travel. Guess what stock photo or an airplane was on the powerpoint?
(https://cdn.acfrg.com/i/300_400_fit___png/ACfrG/productpics_fullsize/2/260414a-emp.jpg)
So, yeah, really hope that's not the real artwork, because if so it's another lazy-ass job by Syme.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on June 14, 2013, 01:03:18 PM
So, looked over at the cube next door a few minutes ago and saw the admin working on some slideshow about safe travel. Guess what stock photo or an airplane was on the powerpoint?
(https://cdn.acfrg.com/i/300_400_fit___png/ACfrG/productpics_fullsize/2/260414a-emp.jpg)
The stock photo had a clown in the turbine? :rollin
Not exactly an exciting cover but it fits the contents of the DVD and its not so exciting because it draws on the ADTOE cover which was terrible.
Quote from: Mindflux on June 14, 2013, 01:07:02 PM
Quote from: Perpetual Change on June 14, 2013, 01:03:18 PM
So, looked over at the cube next door a few minutes ago and saw the admin working on some slideshow about safe travel. Guess what stock photo or an airplane was on the powerpoint?
(https://cdn.acfrg.com/i/300_400_fit___png/ACfrG/productpics_fullsize/2/260414a-emp.jpg)
The stock photo had a clown in the turbine? :rollin
Haha NO but I'm glad Hughe Syme hasn't lost his knack for copying the first stock photo he finds and pasting it onto the next stock photo he finds :D
In fairness - you didn't think he drew it himself, did you?!
No but most artists are a bit more creative than just copy and pasting.
(https://o.scdn.co/300/564ca9ef04648f1e9c170f641a90b9191d33a2a7)
This is my 1st album cover. It's a shot of us playing live. My nephew in a monster baby gro and my bro's hand taken with a scanner.
PLus we agonised for hours over the design and which font looked best etc etc
Not just " band " "monster" & "hand" searched via a stock image database with the band name at the top and the album at the bottom.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on June 14, 2013, 01:03:18 PM
So, yeah, really hope that's not the real artwork, because if so it's another lazy-ass job by Syme.
It is the real artwork. I thought that was already an established fact at this point.
Eh, I like it okay except for the unicycle guy.
Reminds me of Chaos in Motion. I don't mind it, DT videos never had spectacular covers anyway. I'll just be happy to actually be able to watch it.
Quote from: Mosh on June 14, 2013, 10:21:43 PM
Reminds me of Chaos in Motion.
Shoulda been strike one right there.
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 15, 2013, 03:55:17 AM
Quote from: Mosh on June 14, 2013, 10:21:43 PM
Reminds me of Chaos in Motion.
Shoulda been strike one right there.
:lol Chaos in Motion actually does have a pretty good cover though (much better than this one imo). At least give it that. It needs this one.
*shrugs*
You're a hard man, hef.
And that's why we love you.
Hey thanks, Blob. I love you too.
Yeah, in fairness, I'd say Chaos in Motion is probably Hugh Syme's best work for DT. Best cover, certainly - he has done some cracking booklet art.
Quote from: robwebster on June 15, 2013, 04:18:04 AM
Yeah, in fairness, I'd say Chaos in Motion is probably Hugh Syme's best work for DT. Best cover, certainly - he has done some cracking booklet art.
I don't even remember what it looks like, it's been so long since I've taken it off the shelf.
I have the cover of it printed on the back of my DT hoodie. There was another one in the store, but as soon as I saw this one, I had to have it, ya know? :D It's the black sheep DVD! The DVD that shouldn't have been!
Give the band another 10 years and CiM will be erased from all records and memories :D
More sincerely, I do think CiM's lack of quality is a little exaggerated. It's a neat little memento in exactly the same way Five Years in a LIVEtime was. Hardly the last word on DT DVDs, but I think its only crime at the moment is being the newest. It's unspectacular, and a little rough around the edges, but basically fine.
Quote from: BLABBERMOUTH
HUGH SYME SPEAKS ON CLOWN COVER
After a decade serving as the mastermind behind the album covers of progressive metal band Dream Theater, artist Hugh Syme has finally come clean to Metal Edge regarding the inspiration for the album art of Dream Theater's 2010 masterpiece "A Dramatic Turn of Events".
So what made the art for "A Dramatic Turn of Events" so appropriate, relative to Syme's other art? According to Syme, it was all just a matter of actually listening to the music.
"Before 'A Dramatic Turn of Events', I never actually listened to any of the band's music," Syme says.
As Syme takes us through his portfolio, he explains to us a bit of his creative process-- the same process that has created album art for bands like Rush, and Nevermore.
"When I have to do a job for a band like Dream Theater, I usually just look at the title of the work and some of the song names. A couple years ago they brought me an album called 'Octavarium' and I found some great images of 8-balls and grass on the internet. The band loved it."
But for Dream Theater's 2010 album "A Dramatic Turn of Events", Syme decided to listen to the record first, and that's when everything changed.
"I saw the title 'Bridges in the Sky' and though maybe I could find some great images of the sky on google. But then I say f*ck it, let's listen," Syme says.
And then he did.
"And it was f*cking circus music! And here I am, working with the band for years, thinking they're just some heavy metal thing. I knew then and there I'd have to go with a clown on the cover this time."
:rollin :rollin :rollin LOL I swear I totally believed it entirely all the way up to like the second to last line I went, "wait... Oh I GET IT!" hahahaha I was just really dissapointed that there was that little thought that went into Octavarium for a second..
Quote from: wasteland on June 15, 2013, 05:15:07 AM
Give the band another 10 years and CiM will be erased from all records and memories :D
Luckily James has already ignored its existence ;D
Quote from: ? on June 15, 2013, 05:59:44 AM
Quote from: wasteland on June 15, 2013, 05:15:07 AM
Give the band another 10 years and CiM will be erased from all records and memories :D
Luckily James has already ignored its existence ;D
There is actually a small chance that the band never actually told him about its existence, seeing how bad he sounded on it. :laugh:
Quote from: ? on June 15, 2013, 05:59:44 AM
Quote from: wasteland on June 15, 2013, 05:15:07 AM
Give the band another 10 years and CiM will be erased from all records and memories :D
Luckily James has already ignored its existence ;D
Which would have nothing to do with it not even being a full concert recording, and thus not actually being comparable in the context he was speaking about their DVDs.
No no, JLB must be on the DTF bandwagon too!
Quote from: ? on June 15, 2013, 05:59:44 AM
Quote from: wasteland on June 15, 2013, 05:15:07 AM
Give the band another 10 years and CiM will be erased from all records and memories :D
Luckily James has already ignored its existence ;D
Whichever producer chose to send the audio of the vocals to his assistant through a telephone call ignored James' existence..
Quote from: wasteland on June 15, 2013, 06:04:25 AM
Quote from: ? on June 15, 2013, 05:59:44 AM
Quote from: wasteland on June 15, 2013, 05:15:07 AM
Give the band another 10 years and CiM will be erased from all records and memories :D
Luckily James has already ignored its existence ;D
There is actually a small chance that the band never actually told him about its existence, seeing how bad he sounded on it. :laugh:
"Hey James come check out how the DVD sounds!"
"What the hell did you do to my voice??!"
"oh you hit one flat note in Ministry of Lost Souls so we put your performance of the concert through the "85% pitch correction" button in Garage Band."
Quote from: Perpetual Change on June 15, 2013, 05:52:35 AM
"Before 'A Dramatic Turn of Events', I never actually listened to any of the band's music," Syme says.
I find that a bit odd, i mean i'm not expecting him to ravish their discography or that particular album but to take inspiration from their music and lyrics seems to be a pretty important factor when you designing a cover. Of course every artist have their way of approaching a project and i'm fully aware that some artist can draw inspiration from a donkey's ass and still come out with the next da vinci or something but I still can't help wondering...
A lot of thinking and inspiration is not always necessary if the band likes the early ideas. For instance, in Train of Thought they saw a couple pictures of an artist and then just took some of an old album of his and the result was awesome. It's taste that matters. Other than that, I would like the band members or at least JP being a producer, to give the artist their ideas and some guidance first. That would be interesting.
Quote from: robwebster on June 15, 2013, 05:37:15 AM
More sincerely, I do think CiM's lack of quality is a little exaggerated. It's a neat little memento in exactly the same way Five Years in a LIVEtime was. Hardly the last word on DT DVDs, but I think its only crime at the moment is being the newest. It's unspectacular, and a little rough around the edges, but basically fine.
If you say so.
I think that 5YIAL is MUCH better than CIM.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on June 15, 2013, 06:05:39 AM
Quote from: ? on June 15, 2013, 05:59:44 AM
Quote from: wasteland on June 15, 2013, 05:15:07 AM
Give the band another 10 years and CiM will be erased from all records and memories :D
Luckily James has already ignored its existence ;D
Which would have nothing to do with it not even being a full concert recording, and thus not actually being comparable in the context he was speaking about their DVDs.
No no, JLB must be on the DTF bandwagon too!
Hey, don't spoil my (and others') headcanon! :lol
But seriously, I wouldn't be surprised at all if James (or any other band member) said CIM shouldn't have been released.
Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 15, 2013, 06:10:56 AM
Quote from: Perpetual Change on June 15, 2013, 05:52:35 AM
"Before 'A Dramatic Turn of Events', I never actually listened to any of the band's music," Syme says.
I find that a bit odd, i mean i'm not expecting him to ravish their discography or that particular album but to take inspiration from their music and lyrics seems to be a pretty important factor when you designing a cover. Of course every artist have their way of approaching a project and i'm fully aware that some artist can draw inspiration from a donkey's ass and still come out with the next da vinci or something but I still can't help wondering...
You should've read the post more carefully, the whole "news story" is just a joke.
Quote from: ? on June 15, 2013, 07:53:13 AM
You should've read the post more carefully, the whole "news story" is just a joke.
Dammit, i'm slow today! :blush
The CIM performances are pretty bad..but I enjoy the documentary footage. 5 Years absolutely slays it, but that goes without saying.
Quote from: robwebster on June 15, 2013, 05:37:15 AM
More sincerely, I do think CiM's lack of quality is a little exaggerated. It's a neat little memento in exactly the same way Five Years in a LIVEtime was. Hardly the last word on DT DVDs, but I think its only crime at the moment is being the newest. It's unspectacular, and a little rough around the edges, but basically fine.
I agree. There was a time that I would've considered it unwatchable/unlistenable (maybe not quite that bad) but on re-watching it after some time away from it, I found I rather enjoy a lot of the performances.
Quote from: Kotowboy on June 14, 2013, 02:28:25 PM
(https://o.scdn.co/300/564ca9ef04648f1e9c170f641a90b9191d33a2a7)
This is my 1st album cover. It's a shot of us playing live. My nephew in a monster baby gro and my bro's hand taken with a scanner.
PLus we agonised for hours over the design and which font looked best etc etc
Not just " band " "monster" & "hand" searched via a stock image database with the band name at the top and the album at the bottom.
Thank you for proving my long-standing theory that originality is overrated.
Quote from: Mosh on June 15, 2013, 11:50:34 AM
..but I enjoy the documentary footage.
oh, well there hasn't been two seconds of backstage/documentary/Canadian Rap footage that has ever been less than freaking awesome so of course. And let's hope it remains that way!
Honestly, for the most part I buy the DVDs for the behind the scenes stuff. Not just DT, all bands. I can't remember the last time I watched 5YIAL without the commentary on. Not that the footage is bad.
Quote from: ZirconBlue on June 16, 2013, 06:53:03 PM
Quote from: Kotowboy on June 14, 2013, 02:28:25 PM
(https://o.scdn.co/300/564ca9ef04648f1e9c170f641a90b9191d33a2a7)
This is my 1st album cover. It's a shot of us playing live. My nephew in a monster baby gro and my bro's hand taken with a scanner.
PLus we agonised for hours over the design and which font looked best etc etc
Not just " band " "monster" & "hand" searched via a stock image database with the band name at the top and the album at the bottom.
Thank you for proving my long-standing theory that originality is overrated.
Not enough clowns on unicycles for you ?
Quote from: Kotowboy on June 18, 2013, 12:22:42 PM
Quote from: ZirconBlue on June 16, 2013, 06:53:03 PM
Quote from: Kotowboy on June 14, 2013, 02:28:25 PM
(https://o.scdn.co/300/564ca9ef04648f1e9c170f641a90b9191d33a2a7)
This is my 1st album cover. It's a shot of us playing live. My nephew in a monster baby gro and my bro's hand taken with a scanner.
PLus we agonised for hours over the design and which font looked best etc etc
Not just " band " "monster" & "hand" searched via a stock image database with the band name at the top and the album at the bottom.
Thank you for proving my long-standing theory that originality is overrated.
Not enough clowns on unicycles for you ?
Yes, that's it exactly.
Okay lets bump this up so no-one forgets about it :smiley:
Anyway,
QuoteOTE 25th May:
"All we know is that it's done and it looks and sounds incredible. A lot of work by the band went into mixing the live audio and it is by FAR one of the best live mixes we've ever heard!"
QuoteOTE 30th May:
"In an effort to make this project as special as possible, and deliver the ultimate live experience for Dream Theater fans, these delays proved necessary. It will be abundantly clear why the extra time was needed come November."
I think we can rule out the speculative sound problems from the release. I think it probably IS packed to the brim with special features. I was watching an interview with Mike Mangini and a Norwegian guy when Mike basically said that the DVD/Blu Ray has pretty much everything on it that a fan could possibly want. In fact the intensity and excitement from the Genie in that interview got me excited for everything they've got coming up, new album, new BR and tour!! :corn
I asked this a long time ago, but does anyone have any guess as to when they'll release the single from this DVD? Are DVD singles usually put out way early like album singles are, or is this something that usually doesn't happen until a week before the thing goes on sale, if at all?
i feel like now that the marketing for DT12 is in full swing, we wont be seeing anything from the dvd until the album drops, which sucks :-\
Yeah, everyone lost interest in the DVD.
I mean, we are still expecting it and everything; but it's kind of lame we're going to hear/see ADTOE live music after we get our fix of new DT music. I'm hoping it's going to be as awesome as Porcupine Tree's Anesthetize, which came after The Incident was released and it still kicked major kinds of ass.
I had a dream about the Luna Park DVD last night and in the morning I realized that I had completely forgotten the whole DVD! :eek
I'm actually more excited for Luna Park than I am DT12, so it is a bit disappointing that there's so much silence surrounding this.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on July 24, 2013, 05:17:46 AM
I'm actually more excited for Luna Park than I am DT12, so it is a bit disappointing that there's so much silence surrounding this.
I'm pretty excited about it too ( now that I remember it again :D)
They really failed with this release. First they build up the hype around the release and after that months of nothing.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on July 24, 2013, 05:17:46 AM
I'm actually more excited for Luna Park than I am DT12, so it is a bit disappointing that there's so much silence surrounding this.
About equal for me, I love almost every song from ADTOE so am REALLY excited to hear how they sound in a live setting with properly loud drums, and to see Mangini go nuts - but I'm not crazy about the rest of the set list . . so I'm equally pumped for DT12, especially Illumination Theory.
Quote from: TheAtliator on July 09, 2013, 06:49:37 PM
I asked this a long time ago, but does anyone have any guess as to when they'll release the single from this DVD? Are DVD singles usually put out way early like album singles are, or is this something that usually doesn't happen until a week before the thing goes on sale, if at all?
What are you talking about? DVD single?
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on July 24, 2013, 06:12:47 AM
Quote from: TheAtliator on July 09, 2013, 06:49:37 PM
I asked this a long time ago, but does anyone have any guess as to when they'll release the single from this DVD? Are DVD singles usually put out way early like album singles are, or is this something that usually doesn't happen until a week before the thing goes on sale, if at all?
What are you talking about? DVD single?
I believe what he meant was that bands usually upload the footage of one song (or more) off the DVD before it hits the stores to promote it. Which even technically makes it a sort of a single, except no one calls 'em "DVD singles", but Atliator is 15 and can't possibly know everything :tup
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on July 24, 2013, 06:56:15 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on July 24, 2013, 06:12:47 AM
Quote from: TheAtliator on July 09, 2013, 06:49:37 PM
I asked this a long time ago, but does anyone have any guess as to when they'll release the single from this DVD? Are DVD singles usually put out way early like album singles are, or is this something that usually doesn't happen until a week before the thing goes on sale, if at all?
What are you talking about? DVD single?
I believe what he meant was that bands usually upload the footage of one song (or more) off the DVD before it hits the stores to promote it. Which even technically makes it a sort of a single, except no one calls 'em "DVD singles", but Atliator is 15 and can't possibly know everything :tup
Yeah, like Britney Spears :lol
Jk, Atliator. You seem pretty cool.
:rollin you got me there!
They should release On the Backs of Angels from this DVD, to make fans expect this as much as DT12. That way, we get the new album in September but fans can go like OMG in 1 month we're getting a live DVD as well!
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 24, 2013, 08:29:19 AM
They should release On the Backs of Angels from this DVD, to make fans expect this as much as DT12. That way, we get the new album in September but fans can go like OMG in 1 month we're getting a live DVD as well!
I'm down
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on July 24, 2013, 06:56:15 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on July 24, 2013, 06:12:47 AM
Quote from: TheAtliator on July 09, 2013, 06:49:37 PM
I asked this a long time ago, but does anyone have any guess as to when they'll release the single from this DVD? Are DVD singles usually put out way early like album singles are, or is this something that usually doesn't happen until a week before the thing goes on sale, if at all?
What are you talking about? DVD single?
I believe what he meant was that bands usually upload the footage of one song (or more) off the DVD before it hits the stores to promote it. Which even technically makes it a sort of a single, except no one calls 'em "DVD singles", but Atliator is 15 and can't possibly know everything :tup
I don't remember DT doing that with any previous DVDs. Of course, I'm old and possibly remember everything.
I'm pretty sure they were showing IWBY from Score around the DVD's release.
I want to say (off the top of my head) that Forsaken was released from Chaos in Motion early.
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on July 24, 2013, 08:32:34 AM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on July 24, 2013, 06:56:15 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on July 24, 2013, 06:12:47 AM
Quote from: TheAtliator on July 09, 2013, 06:49:37 PM
I asked this a long time ago, but does anyone have any guess as to when they'll release the single from this DVD? Are DVD singles usually put out way early like album singles are, or is this something that usually doesn't happen until a week before the thing goes on sale, if at all?
What are you talking about? DVD single?
I believe what he meant was that bands usually upload the footage of one song (or more) off the DVD before it hits the stores to promote it. Which even technically makes it a sort of a single, except no one calls 'em "DVD singles", but Atliator is 15 and can't possibly know everything :tup
I don't remember DT doing that with any previous DVDs. Of course, I'm old and possibly remember everything.
That's a good indicator that you don't remember everything. ;)
Quote from: TAC on July 24, 2013, 08:34:10 AM
I'm pretty sure they were showing IWBY from Score around the DVD's release.
I remember this clearly. I can't recall for any other DVD though.
Yea I was thinking Forsaken..
Quote from: TheAtliator on July 24, 2013, 08:36:35 AM
Yea I was thinking Forsaken..
Perhaps. I've blotted out most memory of that DVD.
Good for you. Unfortunately I'm still Scarred
Quote from: TheAtliator on July 24, 2013, 08:40:43 AM
Good for you. Unfortunately I'm still Scarred
No I don't think they released Scarred from CiM.
Quote from: TheAtliator on July 24, 2013, 08:40:43 AM
Good for you. Unfortunately I'm still Scarred
??? I thought you were TheAtliator?
Hey now, I actually thought Forsaken was one of the better performed songs on the DVD. The whole DVD isn't awful, just some of it.
Quote from: Shadow2222 on July 24, 2013, 08:34:30 AM
I want to say (off the top of my head) that Forsaken was released from Chaos in Motion early.
Yes, this is true.
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 24, 2013, 08:29:19 AM
They should release On the Backs of Angels from this DVD, to make fans expect this as much as DT12.
OTBOA was always segued into War Inside My Head, so they probably won't release that song. However, I have a feeling the possible preview will be some ADTOE song.
Quote from: ? on July 24, 2013, 09:45:49 AM
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 24, 2013, 08:29:19 AM
They should release On the Backs of Angels from this DVD, to make fans expect this as much as DT12.
OTBOA was always segued into War Inside My Head, so they probably won't release that song. However, I have a feeling the possible preview will be some ADTOE song.
Wouldn't be surprised if it was BMUBMD.
BMUBMD is among the bonus tracks, I think This is the Life or Beneath the Surface is a safer bet.
Quote from: TAC on July 24, 2013, 09:47:30 AM
Quote from: ? on July 24, 2013, 09:45:49 AM
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 24, 2013, 08:29:19 AM
They should release On the Backs of Angels from this DVD, to make fans expect this as much as DT12.
OTBOA was always segued into War Inside My Head, so they probably won't release that song. However, I have a feeling the possible preview will be some ADTOE song.
Wouldn't be surprised if it was BMUBMD.
I'd be cool with that. One of the better tracks on the album (although they're all great), and it's a shorter track, so it would make a certain amount of sense. But I would suspect it would be OTBOA if I had to guess (and, no, I don't know).
Quote from: ? on July 24, 2013, 09:50:47 AM
BMUBMD is among the bonus tracks, I think This is the Life or Beneath the Surface is a safer bet.
Oh, OK. Then yeah, TITL. :D
Man, I hope it's 6:00.
Is it confirmed that they'll release a song from the DVD or are we just wishing/speculating?
Quote from: eosforum on July 24, 2013, 10:08:34 AM
Is it confirmed that they'll release a song from the DVD or are we just wishing/speculating?
Wishing/speculating. Nothing has been confirmed.
Quote from: bosk1 on July 24, 2013, 10:13:38 AM
Quote from: eosforum on July 24, 2013, 10:08:34 AM
Is it confirmed that they'll release a song from the DVD or are we just wishing/speculating?
Wishing/speculating. Nothing has been confirmed. (except that Live At Luna Park will likely be released sometime around the end of the next touring cycle in late 2014 / early 2015)
:clap:
Quote from: bosk1 on July 24, 2013, 10:13:38 AM
Quote from: eosforum on July 24, 2013, 10:08:34 AM
Is it confirmed that they'll release a song from the DVD or are we just wishing/speculating?
Wishing/speculating. Nothing has been confirmed. (except that Live At Luna Park will likely be released sometime around the end of the next touring cycle in late 2014 / early 2015)
Wait, what? Rob's fact-finder still says November 5 2013. I do recall hearing it's been delayed further but I don't remember the source.
Yeah it's def November... for now.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on July 24, 2013, 10:19:34 AM
Quote from: bosk1 on July 24, 2013, 10:13:38 AM
Quote from: eosforum on July 24, 2013, 10:08:34 AM
Is it confirmed that they'll release a song from the DVD or are we just wishing/speculating?
Wishing/speculating. Nothing has been confirmed. (except that Live At Luna Park will likely be released sometime around the end of the next touring cycle in late 2014 / early 2015)
Wait, what? Rob's fact-finder still says November 5 2013. I do recall hearing it's been delayed further but I don't remember the source.
Can't believe this...
Yeah, it was confirmed like 1 month ago that the DVD would be released on November.
So we're still talking about 2013, aren't we?
Quote from: The Stray Seed on July 24, 2013, 10:38:02 AM
So we're still talking about 2013, aren't we?
No, 2014 :( Why do you think we are all so bummed out?
Yes, 2013, Bosky is just jokin' around.
haha, everybody is confused when bosky is telling jokes :D
It was a joke, isn't it..?
Does anybody remember that OTE was releasing something from the bonus features "next week" and that was in late February? Then they said they were pushed back by RR with another week. Here we are still and nothing new. :mehlin
:lol Okay, I deleted that last bit from my post. I thought it would be obvious that that was joke. Sorry for the confusion.
:vader:
Quote from: YtseJamittaja on July 24, 2013, 10:45:11 AM
haha, everybody is confused when bosky is telling jokes :D
It was a joke, isn't it..?
Does anybody remember that OTE was releasing something from the bonus features "next week" and that was in late February? Then they said they were pushed back by RR with another week. Here we are still and nothing new. :mehlin
Yeah I remember, although the RR thing probably didn't go that way. This DVD is not being released by RoadRunner, it's been released by Eagle Rock Entretainment or something like that which is a different label. Maybe that's the thing and that's one of the reasons it was delayed so much.
This has kind of gone to the back burner in my brain since there is so much other new music coming out soon, but I am still deep down really excited for this blu ray. I expect it to be the best music blu ray ever.
(https://www.troll.me/images/waiting-skeleton/live-at-luna-park-will-be-released-lets-just-wait-let.jpg)
:lol
Also, bosky: :lol
Hard to believe 1 year ago we were all getting pumped for the filming of these 2 shows at Luna Park. Discussing the possibility for a release before Christmas that year. Now 1 year later, we still must wait a quarter of a year before seeing ADTOE in all its glory :sadpanda:
Quote from: Jinx on July 28, 2013, 04:49:08 PM
Hard to believe 1 year ago we were all getting pumped for the filming of these 2 shows at Luna Park. Discussing the possibility for a release before Christmas that year. Now 1 year later, we still must wait a quarter of a year before seeing ADTOE in all its glory :sadpanda:
Oh well, it sucks... and I am not happy about it. :(
Το be honest i've lost most of my hype for the live album, i don't know if i'll pick it up when it comes out, just lost all my excitement after all the delays and not having a little piece (a song or something) to keep me interested.
Quote from: nikatapi on July 28, 2013, 11:23:53 PM
Το be honest i've lost most of my hype for the live album, i don't know if i'll pick it up when it comes out, just lost all my excitement after all the delays and not having a little piece (a song or something) to keep me interested.
I am totally with you there. I think I will still get it eventually, but likely won't be a first day purchase for me. This delay painfully reminds me the Metallica S&M dvd delay waaaaaaay back in 1999 or 2000 for me. As I recall it was supposed to be released in Feb that year, and it was delayed by over several months. And by the time it was finally released, I lost most of my interest and I never bought it.
you guys are crazy, I can't wait!!! I'm gonna be watching every little piece over and over again for months
Quote from: nikatapi on July 28, 2013, 11:23:53 PM
Το be honest i've lost most of my hype for the live album, i don't know if i'll pick it up when it comes out, just lost all my excitement after all the delays and not having a little piece (a song or something) to keep me interested.
Don't be silly, you don't want to pass on the greatest live undertakement in the band's career. Trust me, I've seen a good chunk of the concert before it was taken down forever :D
Quote from: wasteland on July 29, 2013, 12:12:11 AM
Don't be silly, you don't want to pass on the greatest live undertakement in the band's career. Trust me, I've seen a good chunk of the concert before it was taken down forever :D
I'm sure i'll get it sometime, i'm just not that excited to get it day one or as soon as it is available in my local store. I'm sure it will be great, but it will feel a little outdated with the new album released, maybe if they decided to release a song video or something it would rekindle my excitement, but at the moment, all the hype has gone to the upcoming album :lol
I'm not as excited as I was when they announced it, but that mostly has to do with the release being heavily delayed and DT12 coming soon. I'm sure when November hits I'll be very excited again.
I completely agree with it being outdated by the time it gets here. Which is a shame, because the performances on the tour, and in particular these nights, were awesome!
Well, of course there is a cap to the level of hype a fan can deliver, and the weight has pretty much shifted to DTDT for everyone, including me. But if they nail the promotional campaign for the DVD, starting for instance two weeks after the CD is out, I think LALP could benefit from the effects of the long wave of the excitement for the new album.
If the new album is good people will feel the need for more DT and even though LALP is not really new music it is the first think they will stick to, and if the album is unortunately not so good (god forbid!) fans will see LALP as a way to delve back into the past to forget the let-down!
Yeah, you know what? EVERY TIME a good new album from a band I like comes out, when I finish listening, I say "damn I can't wait for the next one." And in this case, the next new thing from DT comes just two months after! Not to mention the fact it will get us pumped up for the next tour, both us who haven't seen DT on the previous tour (or ever) and those who wanna reminisce on it.
Marco remembers we talked of DVD being pushed back further from May as a nightmare scenario, but really, it has its perks.
Indeed I do! Remember that small commotion that happened when people were just assuming out of nowhere that the DVD was to roll for Christmas 2012? :D
Oh god, I would have had hundreds of gifs of the DVD in my folder already :-\
I was thinking the other day, what if it released in Nov and it turned out they had managed to secure the rights to still have the Inception theme on the intro?
Then I got onto thinking what on earth they would replace it with on the DVD instead?
Jinx, what a coincidence, I came here to post one crazy theory I thought a while ago about what you say.
Since it has been stated that the first song of DT12 is going to be "their new live movie intro" (or something like that), the one they're going to use as an intro tape... what if the delay of the DVD has to do with False Awakening Suite replacing Dream Is Collapsing? And, of course, they had to delay the DVD after the new album, because that song should appear first on the album.
Is that too crazy?
It isn't entirely impossible, but I'm not sure it's the best choice. It would be kind of weird and less than informed people would start making fould assumptions on FAS :D
Quote from: wasteland on July 29, 2013, 03:17:53 AM
It isn't entirely impossible, but I'm not sure it's the best choice. It would be kind of weird and less than informed people would start making fould assumptions on FAS :D
Well, if they really want that song to become their "intro tape" I don't see it as a bad choice. After DT12 comes out, that song IS the intro tape. I see it as a retcon thing, more in the way of "this is what you're going to see when you come to see in 2 months", because that's another thing. The next batch of shows will be closer in time than the last show of the ADTOE tour... If they see the new DVD as a way to promote their new tour too, I don't see it that bad.
It would be weirder if they re-released Budokan with that intro tape... ;D
Quote from: Metropolis1928 on July 29, 2013, 03:29:12 AM
It would be weirder if they re-released Budokan with that intro tape... ;D
It wouldn't be weirder. It would be the same amount of weird. Which is a lot.
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on July 30, 2013, 08:49:59 AM
Quote from: Metropolis1928 on July 29, 2013, 03:29:12 AM
It would be weirder if they re-released Budokan with that intro tape... ;D
It wouldn't be weirder. It would be the same amount of weird. Which is a lot.
Well, it's already been stated by OTE that LALP won't have Dream Is Collapsing, and that it will have instead some original song composed for the ocasion (I haven't found the exact quote, but I think it's well known). So, if they can't have the real intro tape, and they have to do a new one, why don't they use the new one that the band has composed?
And I wouldn't compare the madness that would be retconning an official live release from when Portnoy was still in the band with doing this with a DVD hasn't been released yet and that already has the problem of the intro.
But again, we'll see. I would certainly prefer this option over a random song that OTE puts in there (even though I haven't listened to FAS yet).
Quote from: Metropolis1928 on July 30, 2013, 03:46:03 PM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on July 30, 2013, 08:49:59 AM
Quote from: Metropolis1928 on July 29, 2013, 03:29:12 AM
It would be weirder if they re-released Budokan with that intro tape... ;D
It wouldn't be weirder. It would be the same amount of weird. Which is a lot.
Well, it's already been stated by OTE that LALP won't have Dream Is Collapsing, and that it will have instead some original song composed for the ocasion (I haven't found the exact quote, but I think it's well known). So, if they can't have the real intro tape, and they have to do a new one, why don't they use the new one that the band has composed?
And I wouldn't compare the madness that would be retconning an official live release from when Portnoy was still in the band with doing this with a DVD hasn't been released yet and that already has the problem of the intro.
But again, we'll see. I would certainly prefer this option over a random song that OTE puts in there (even though I haven't listened to FAS yet).
I read that they did indeed remove DIC, but they replaced it with an already-existing DT track, not a new one. Someone confirm this?
Surely it has to be a post-Portnoy track? :huh:
Quote from: Jinx on July 31, 2013, 01:37:19 AM
Surely it has to be a post-Portnoy track? :huh:
Why
Especially since ADTOE in full will be on the DVD+bonus stuff so hearing the same thing twice might be odd.
Raw Dog for the show opening.
You heard it here first, people :2metal:
If that actually happened I would give DT an award for the most successful way to alienate potential watchers :lol
Quote from: wasteland on July 31, 2013, 12:14:01 PM
Raw Dog for the show opening.
You heard it here first, people :2metal:
I've yet to hear this track so that'd be interesting.
for all the dutch people: september 21 Live at Luna Park @ Melkweg Cinema.
https://www.melkweg.nl/artikelpagina.jsp?language=nederlands&batchno=2&offset=12&artikelid=2058200&disciplineid=cinema&agendaitemid=2058198
no presale open yet... :metal
Quote from: JRuless on July 31, 2013, 01:08:11 PM
for all the dutch people: september 21 Live at Luna Park @ Melkweg Cinema.
https://www.melkweg.nl/artikelpagina.jsp?language=nederlands&batchno=2&offset=12&artikelid=2058200&disciplineid=cinema&agendaitemid=2058198
no presale open yet... :metal
"John Petrucci (gitarist): "This is, without a doubt, the closest a viewer at home will come to experiencing a live Dream Theater concert.
Between the hi-def and 3D video, the huge audio mix and the documentary-style behind-the-scenes footage, you are truly transported to the arena and completely immersed in the entire live experience.""
Um.... what? Am I going to have the option to wear 3D glasses for this?
Wonder if it will be played in more theaters then before the release. Definitely starting to become a trend with concert DVDs.
Quote from: Mosh on July 31, 2013, 01:11:53 PM
Wonder if it will be played in more theaters then before the release. Definitely starting to become a trend with concert DVDs.
Should it be performed near my place I would totally spend an additional 10€ to attend the theater premiere! :o
Too bad there probably won't be an event like that in Finland :mehlin
Quote from: Chino on July 31, 2013, 01:10:29 PM
Quote from: JRuless on July 31, 2013, 01:08:11 PM
for all the dutch people: september 21 Live at Luna Park @ Melkweg Cinema.
https://www.melkweg.nl/artikelpagina.jsp?language=nederlands&batchno=2&offset=12&artikelid=2058200&disciplineid=cinema&agendaitemid=2058198
no presale open yet... :metal
"John Petrucci (gitarist): "This is, without a doubt, the closest a viewer at home will come to experiencing a live Dream Theater concert. Between the hi-def and 3D video, the huge audio mix and the documentary-style behind-the-scenes footage, you are truly transported to the arena and completely immersed in the entire live experience.""
Um.... what? Am I going to have the option to wear 3D glasses for this?
Haha, I asked the same question back when this little tidbit was posted on a OTE youtube video. He meant the brand new Mativision app for the show (where you can control the camera using a program on PC).
But I thought that Mativision thingy was only on 6:00??
Quote from: JRuless on July 31, 2013, 01:08:11 PM
for all the dutch people: september 21 Live at Luna Park @ Melkweg Cinema.
https://www.melkweg.nl/artikelpagina.jsp?language=nederlands&batchno=2&offset=12&artikelid=2058200&disciplineid=cinema&agendaitemid=2058198
no presale open yet... :metal
September? 3 days before the release of Dream Theater? That's quite a move.
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 31, 2013, 08:14:49 PM
Quote from: JRuless on July 31, 2013, 01:08:11 PM
for all the dutch people: september 21 Live at Luna Park @ Melkweg Cinema.
https://www.melkweg.nl/artikelpagina.jsp?language=nederlands&batchno=2&offset=12&artikelid=2058200&disciplineid=cinema&agendaitemid=2058198
no presale open yet... :metal
September? 3 days before the release of Dream Theater? That's quite a move.
Surely that can't be.
Makes sense, good way to build hype for the new album. I could see the slogans now; Make September Dream Theater Month!
Quote from: JRuless on July 31, 2013, 01:08:11 PM
for all the dutch people: september 21 Live at Luna Park @ Melkweg Cinema.
https://www.melkweg.nl/artikelpagina.jsp?language=nederlands&batchno=2&offset=12&artikelid=2058200&disciplineid=cinema&agendaitemid=2058198
no presale open yet... :metal
Wow. I might just go there.
So theyre handing out copies of LALP already?? Wonder who else has already seen it :\
Quote from: Mosh on July 31, 2013, 08:24:31 PM
Makes sense, good way to build hype for the new album. I could see the slogans now; Make September Dream Theater Month!
That doesn't make sense honestly. DT12 and LALP are completey unrelated and are being released by different companies.
Quote from: aprilethereal on August 01, 2013, 02:40:08 AM
Quote from: Mosh on July 31, 2013, 08:24:31 PM
Makes sense, good way to build hype for the new album. I could see the slogans now; Make September Dream Theater Month!
That doesn't make sense honestly. DT12 and LALP are completey unrelated and are being released by different companies.
Huh, yeah DT12 can be hyped in many other ways, I guess LaLP is one way they could hype the new record, but it seems odd for the theater to be showing it so far before the release date in November ? Doesn't it?
Not really when you think about it. You can't run out and buy Man of Steel or Star Trek: Into Darkness even though they have been out at the theater for awhile now.
They could very well still be working on the bonus features, but it sounds like the main concert is completely done.
Quote from: Shadow2222 on August 01, 2013, 07:31:49 AM
Not really when you think about it. You can't run out and buy Man of Steel or Star Trek: Into Darkness even though they have been out at the theater for awhile now.
Very true! I know that's how typical movie release schedules work, but I wasn't sure if concert movie releases typically worked differently, especially since, at least to the best of my knowledge, this won't be shown around the world in every theater in every town like Man of Steel and Star Trek were.
Quote from: mikeyd23 on August 01, 2013, 07:55:27 AM
Quote from: Shadow2222 on August 01, 2013, 07:31:49 AM
Not really when you think about it. You can't run out and buy Man of Steel or Star Trek: Into Darkness even though they have been out at the theater for awhile now.
Very true! I know that's how typical movie release schedules work, but I wasn't sure if concert movie releases typically worked differently, especially since, at least to the best of my knowledge, this won't be shown around the world in every theater in every town like Man of Steel and Star Trek were.
Also valid points. I wish it would be shown at every theater though! I'm sure I'm out of luck in the USA.
Quote from: Shadow2222 on August 01, 2013, 08:04:50 AM
Also valid points. I wish it would be shown at every theater though! I'm sure I'm out of luck in the USA.
Yeah ditto, I'm in the USA as well, and I'm guessing we are out of luck. You never know though, could be surprised!
Seeing Iron Maiden's Flight 666 in a theater was one of the coolest movie experiences ever, id go see a DT concert in theater but I doubt it'll happen in the USA.
Quote from: cramx3 on August 01, 2013, 10:51:41 AM
Seeing Iron Maiden's Flight 666 in a theater was one of the coolest movie experiences ever, id go see a DT concert in theater but I doubt it'll happen in the USA.
:metal
They should release a preview of this to hype the release of DT12. I reckon that might be a good marketing move, get people invested on this kind-of forgotten DVD once again and pump them even more for Dream Theater.
I agree that they should release something to make people interested in the DVD again, but I don't expect anything as a marketing stragedy for DT12, since both are released by totally different companies.
Quote from: cramx3 on August 01, 2013, 10:51:41 AM
Seeing Iron Maiden's Flight 666 in a theater was one of the coolest movie experiences ever, id go see a DT concert in theater but I doubt it'll happen in the USA.
Maybe DT could do something like Zep did with Celebration Day and have the film be a special 2 day event or something. Limited showing or whatever.
I kinda forgot this thing existed...
Has there been any word of this shit for like months now :-[
I can't stand this waiting :-\
:soon:
I don't think anything will happen up until a few months after the new album is out. I'm thinking Christmas.
Well they are apparently showing it in theaters from 9/19.
https://liveatlunapark.com (https://liveatlunapark.com)
This link was already posted in another thread.
Well the world wide part makes me somewhat hopeful for a NYC showing.
I thought 5th Nov was the release date?? :/
Quote from: Jinx on August 14, 2013, 04:05:09 PM
I thought 5th Nov was the release date?? :/
It is. That's for the DVD/Blu-ray/CD home release.
5th Nov?! Well, at least we have a date to shoot for. :hat
Oh rumborak confused me with Christmas :D
Quote from: serrano on August 14, 2013, 09:24:47 AM
Well they are apparently showing it in theaters from 9/19.
https://liveatlunapark.com (https://liveatlunapark.com)
This link was already posted in another thread.
What's with the password?
Yeah, what the hell? :huh:
Password O_______________________O !!!! Nooooooooo!
I wouldn't be surprised if the password is: SOON.
Password? On my PC it's just a screen with "In theaters worldwide beginning September 2013. Continue to check back for more information."
I get a password prompt as well.
They should have called the DVD A Dramatic Return of Events.
Quote from: TheLordOfTheStrings on August 20, 2013, 12:59:33 PM
They should have called the DVD A Dramatic Return of Events.
:lol That's actually a really good title.
That's great, seriously :clap:
Looks like there will be a NYC showing and a few more in NJ.
Forgot to mention, these two shows were One Year ago yesterday (and the day prior) :-\
Amazon.co.uk are listing LALP now - it looks like we Europeans are only getting Blu-Ray, DVD and Deluxe versions. I might pop for that Deluxe set, because I NEED those CDs, but the packaging looks a bit huge (nice though)!
https://tinyurl.com/mxolz3g
Fuck, I really want the CDs, but the deluxe set is too expensive for me :censored
Reminds me of the documentary/DT12 thing :\
I'm definitely getting the deluxe set, I love the awesome packaging. It makes me think of the deluxe versions I have of Steven Wilson's last two records. The question is do I pre-order it from Amazon now or hold out until it's available someplace else?
Quote from: Meatrose on August 22, 2013, 06:19:41 AM
I'm definitely getting the deluxe set, I love the awesome packaging. It makes me think of the deluxe versions I have of Steven Wilson's last two records.
It's hard to tell from the picture, but given that a CD is 5", that book looks about 9-10" square. That's nearer a pizza box than the SW discs.
Tickets in hand for Sept. 23rd, in Camp Hill, PA. Anyone else going to that one? I'm dragging two non-DT initiated friends along.
I don't have any need for the CD's, so I'll just buy the basic DVD edition.
I'm actually more exited about the CDs than the DVD/Bluray
Quote from: ? on August 22, 2013, 07:49:14 AM
I don't have any need for the CD's, so I'll just buy the basic DVD edition.
To be completely honest I'm probably never going to use the CD's. I'm buying the deluxe set because of the cool packaging and some kind of subconscious need to feel like a special snowflake.
I know, I'm
very weak.
Blu Ray runs 300 mins. Main show IIRC is about 180, I'd wager the bonus songs to be about half hour so that leaves 90 mins of bonus features. Not as jam packed as I was hoping.
Quote from: Meatrose on August 22, 2013, 06:19:41 AM
I love the awesome packaging.
This. I also don't have any need for the CD's and the blu-ray so I'm going to choose the DVD version.
Quote from: ? on August 22, 2013, 07:49:14 AM
I don't have any need for the CD's, so I'll just buy the basic DVD edition.
Quote from: Jinx on August 22, 2013, 09:57:35 AM
Blu Ray runs 300 mins. Main show IIRC is about 180, I'd wager the bonus songs to be about half hour so that leaves 90 mins of bonus features. Not as jam packed as I was hoping.
and yet it is still jam packed.
See, for me it's exactly the opposite (from those who "don't have any need for the CDs"). I'll watch a concert DVD maybe once a month but I listen to live albums all the time. I guess it's that I don't have the downtime to properly watch a lot of live DVDs but I can play a live album while doing other things. That being said, I might buy the deluxe edition because I would like to have a DVD for the occasions when I do have time to watch. It's really a matter of how much it costs. But I'm definitely at least buying a CD edition.
I'm really loving the packaging and I'm totally getting the Deluxe edition for this one, my first DT live release as a fan!
I don't get the moons on the 6 discs. 3 of them look the same to me ???
Quote from: Kotowboy on August 22, 2013, 03:15:16 PM
I don't get the moons on the 6 discs. 3 of them look the same to me ???
The last two look like they should further the darkening of the moon to a New Moon phase, but it wasn't completed. Whoops.
Also, here's the track lists straightened out so they're not all in one huge block of text.
BLU-RAY Main Show
1) Bridges In The Sky
2) 6:00
3) The Dark Eternal Night
4) This Is The Life
5) The Root Of All Evil
6) Lost Not Forgotten
7) Drum Solo
8) A Fortune In Lies
9) The Silent Man
10) Beneath The Surface
11) Outcry
12) Piano Solo
13) Surrounded
14) On The Backs Of Angels
15) War Inside My Head
16) The Test That Stumped Them All
17) Guitar Solo
18) The Spirit Carries On
19) Breaking All Illusions
20) Metropolis Pt. 1
Bonus Tracks
1) These Walls
2) Build Me Up, Break Me Down
3) Caught In A Web
4) Wait For Sleep
5) Far From Heaven
6) Pull Me Under
-------------------------------------------------
DVD Disc One Main Show
1) Bridges In The Sky
2) 6:00
3) The Dark Eternal Night
4) This Is The Life
5) The Root Of All Evil
6) Lost Not Forgotten
7) Drum Solo
8) A Fortune In Lies
9) The Silent Man
10) Beneath The Surface
11) Outcry
12) Piano Solo
13) Surrounded
14) On The Backs Of Angels
15) War Inside My Head
16) The Test That Stumped Them All
17) Guitar Solo
18) The Spirit Carries On
19) Breaking All Illusions
20) Metropolis Pt. 1
Disc Two Bonus Tracks
1) These Walls
2) Build Me Up, Break Me Down
3) Caught In A Web
4) Wait For Sleep
5) Far From Heaven
6) Pull Me Under
-------------------------------------------------
CD Disc One Main Show Part 1
1) Bridges In The Sky
2) 6:00
3) The Dark Eternal Night
4) This Is The Life
5) The Root Of All Evil
6) Lost Not Forgotten
7) Drum Solo
8) A Fortune In Lies
9) The Silent Man
10) Beneath The Surface
Disc Two Main Show Part 2
1) Outcry
2) Piano Solo
3) Surrounded
4) On The Backs Of Angels
5) War Inside My Head
6) The Test That Stumped Them All
7) Guitar Solo
8) The Spirit Carries On
9) Breaking All Illusions
10) Metropolis Pt. 1
Disc Three Bonus Tracks
1) These Walls
2) Build Me Up, Break Me Down
3) Caught In A Web
4) Wait For Sleep
5) Far From Heaven
6) Pull Me Under
-------------------------------------------------
I'm glad they decided to include the non-main-show tracks on a bonus disc, which, by the looks of it, runs about 35 minutes long. Disc one runs about 70-72 minutes long, while Disc two is around 74-75. Not bad!
I may have to cut-and-paste the bonus tracks into the main show for a LONG listening experience for my iPod, with the 2nd night songs in order where the 1st night songs were.
I may also cut the songs from ADTOE and make a ADTOE-Live album since all 9 songs were played live for the tour, and between both nights! I just want to hear the live run of FFH/BAI/BTS!!!
-Marc.
So the bonus tracks are from the 2 night event and not from a different venue?
Quote from: wasteland on August 22, 2013, 03:14:40 PM
I'm really loving the packaging and I'm totally getting the Deluxe edition for this one
It's beautiful, innit? I'm doing the same. And £33-ish seems incredibly reasonable for six discs, so I'm even tempted to pre-order it to protect me in case the price surges up. I
never pre-order stuff! Would do it right now except the internet keeps going funky.
I preordered the Deluxe one too. And hey, you dont need to pay until the release so you can save up for it! No brainer for me!
Standard DVD for me.
All 9 songs from Dramatic Turn are featured so will deffo be making an ADTOE live album.
I'm guessing this isn't available for preorder in US yet, correct?
Quote from: theanalogkid7 on August 22, 2013, 09:17:04 PM
I'm guessing this isn't available for preorder in US yet, correct?
I'm waiting until then.
Quote from: 425 on August 22, 2013, 03:06:33 PM
See, for me it's exactly the opposite (from those who "don't have any need for the CDs"). I'll watch a concert DVD maybe once a month but I listen to live albums all the time. I guess it's that I don't have the downtime to properly watch a lot of live DVDs but I can play a live album while doing other things. That being said, I might buy the deluxe edition because I would like to have a DVD for the occasions when I do have time to watch. It's really a matter of how much it costs. But I'm definitely at least buying a CD edition.
I agree with this, but the problem is that it seems there is no CD edition. And 41,99€ for the deluxe edition is a bit much for me (I think it's a good price, but I'm not sure if I can or want to afford it). Dunno what to do :-\
I could consider buying the deluxe edition if it was cheaper, but I have a lot of other releases to buy and my money situation will change at the beginning of September when I start living on my own.
Money's pretty tight for me at the moment, and I won't have a "real" income until October next year, so I have to really think whether I'll buy the deluxe thing or not. Why can't they just release a CD-only version?
+1 for a CD only version.
I think I've only watched CiM once, and I really wish the CDs were in my CD rack rather than on my DVD shelf...
I'm personally only interested in a DVD version (I never listen to Budokan or Score on CD, and I've never even taken the CiM CDs out of the case), but I also think it's a good idea to release a CD only version for those that want to be able to just listen to them. Is it because CD sales for live albums are low enough that it's not worth it?
That Deluxe edition looks awesome! Nice coverart and simple packaging!
I feared that it would that Pizza box sized thing.
Awzum! Preordered, can't really wait for it.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on August 23, 2013, 03:22:01 AM
Is it because CD sales for live albums are low enough that it's not worth it?
Most likely yes. I've also noticed that sometimes bands do release CD versions of their live albums, but they don't include all the songs, probably because that way the fans have to buy the DVD versions to get the full shows.
Probably a daft question
But for those that want cds but don't want the extra outlay, is there no merit in ripping the audio?
I'm pretty sure you're not infringing on any copyright laws by doing this since it would only be for private use.
Yeah, but I like to have physical CDs sitting in my CD rack.
Is there going to be a digital release for the songs? I don't care for CDs but id like the Blu ray and to have the MP3s as well.
I hope they put the show on Spotify as the audio like their other live albums. Then at least I can listen to it when i dont wanna put on the DVD
Wikipedia is stating that the live album will be available on iTunes so I imagine other places will have it for download :tup
I've been pretty busy so I haven't been checking in, but it looks like there's been no real news since the single. Hmmm...
Lets dig this up again.
I'm so happy they're finally starting to drip feed information about this glorious release. Its as if its become a reality again, and although the back cover is kinda weird (see DTs Instagram), it is enough to get me excited once again for Live at Luna Park. All I want now is another trailer with audio!! :tup :metal
I'll be ripping the live versions of ADTOE and give that album another chance. The live versions kicked major ass
Please trailer with audio!!!
Disc one- 229 min approx
disc two- 68 min approx
If the show is around 3hrs (180 min), that leaves like 117 minutes (almost two hours!!) of bonus! :o Holy crap that's amazing!
Quote from: TheAtliator on August 28, 2013, 03:07:51 PM
Disc one- 229 min approx
disc two- 68 min approx
If the show is around 3hrs (180 min), that leaves like 117 minutes (almost two hours!!) of bonus! :o Holy crap that's amazing!
I looked at that too and thought the first disc was the main show and the second disc was the additional songs from the second night plus the bonus features. By my calculations it only is about 30 minutes.
I would say Disc 1 would be Main plus Bonus songs from Night 2 and maybe the Cartoon Intro too. Disc 2 will be the extras like the docu, etc.
By the way, does this mean theyve cut the whole Intro off? I mean I know they couldnt use the Inception theme but damn... It was such a good buildup into the desert scene for Bridges, it seems a shame :-[
Quote from: Jinx on August 29, 2013, 06:57:21 AM
I would say Disc 1 would be Main plus Bonus songs from Night 2 and maybe the Cartoon Intro too. Disc 2 will be the extras like the docu, etc.
By the way, does this mean theyve cut the whole Intro off? I mean I know they couldnt use the Inception theme but damn... It was such a good buildup into the desert scene for Bridges, it seems a shame :-[
I think they said they'd be swapping out the music for the intro. As they're including the intro separately too, I doubt it would just be muted, so I'm sure they've sorted something out.
Indeed I remember we didn't reach a consensus on what song they might have chosen for the intro.
False Awakening Suite :neverusethis:
I once said that was crazy, but now I'm not so sure anymore...
I really don't see that happening to be honest. But we'll see..
Quote from: wasteland on August 29, 2013, 07:36:48 AM
I once said that was crazy, but now I'm not so sure anymore...
I am. It's crazy.
Where the hell is the preorder for this. GAHH
I think they'll do what they did for budakon and Live Scenes....
Question:
Can someone please post the full Luna Park artwork? :)
If anybody ninjas me they better hope they're a damn good bass player...
I like this image! (and especially the running time info!!)
Did I do ok? ;D
(https://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a619/styxkyd/LALPbackcover_zpsbac98f9d.png) (https://s1286.photobucket.com/user/styxkyd/media/LALPbackcover_zpsbac98f9d.png.html)
That's a damn good set list. Hope the editing between nights is smooth.
What we've been going by is that since the whole thing up to M1 is the exact setlist from the first night, that all the footage is from the first night for that set. If that's the case then there won't be any editing between the nights. Just a switch to the second night songs after Metropolis (Which might be on DVD 2).
But I don't know if we ever ruled out completely the possibility of some of the songs which were played on the second night being used instead of the first during that first section.
That's a confusing thing to write :lol
Documentary AND behind the scenes?? Fuck yes.
The whole of setlist 1 will be played I think. Then just the bonus songs from Night 2. I mean they all changed clothes for the 2nd one!
On a side note I hope the drum solo from the 1st night was as awesome as the 2nd (up until MM fluffed it).
I like how the documentary is called Documentary. :lol
Does every edition includes the bonus features?
Quote from: Jinx on August 31, 2013, 02:19:49 AM
I mean they all changed clothes for the 2nd one!
I'm not 100% sure, but I think they wore the same clothes on both nights.
Quote from: liran95 on August 31, 2013, 06:27:44 AM
Does every edition includes the bonus features?
Yes, only the CDs are exclusive to the deluxe edition.
Quote from: ? on August 31, 2013, 06:39:27 AM
Yes, only the CDs are exclusive to the deluxe edition.
And this sucks :censored
Hopefully the music will be on Spotify like with Chaos In Motion.
Then I cam make a Dramatic Turn of Events live playlist.
Quote from: Kotowboy on August 31, 2013, 07:08:13 AM
Hopefully the music will be on Spotify like with Chaos In Motion.
Then I cam make a Dramatic Turn of Events live playlist.
OTBOA would cut off suddenly due to the transition into War Inside My Head :P
Quote from: Mindflux on August 29, 2013, 09:37:18 AM
Where the hell is the preorder for this. GAHH
I'm still in this boat....maybe after DT hits stores, they'll release preorders for this.
Quote from: ? on August 31, 2013, 07:19:37 AM
Quote from: Kotowboy on August 31, 2013, 07:08:13 AM
Hopefully the music will be on Spotify like with Chaos In Motion.
Then I cam make a Dramatic Turn of Events live playlist.
OTBOA would cut off suddenly due to the transition into War Inside My Head :P
Damn It Carl ! >:(
Quote from: Ben_Jamin on August 31, 2013, 07:20:52 AM
Quote from: Mindflux on August 29, 2013, 09:37:18 AM
Where the hell is the preorder for this. GAHH
I'm still in this boat....maybe after DT hits stores, they'll release preorders for this.
The preorders have been available for a while now, guys :huh:
Yea, if you're in Europe. The US preorders haven't gone up yet.
Sorry, didn't know that
Just realized that A Fortune In Lies will be played with only 2 of its original band members....should be interesting.
Quote from: dparrott on September 03, 2013, 11:22:48 AM
Just realized that A Fortune In Lies will be played with only 2 of its original band members....should be interesting.
Oh yes, I'm GREATLY looking forward to how MM tackles some of these drummerific songs.
Quote from: Dream Team on September 03, 2013, 11:46:23 AM
Quote from: dparrott on September 03, 2013, 11:22:48 AM
Just realized that A Fortune In Lies will be played with only 2 of its original band members....should be interesting.
Oh yes, I'm GREATLY looking forward to how MM tackles some of these drummerific songs.
He played the middle part on the snare with one hand when I saw him in Boston. Assuming he did that on the DVD. Very cool.
I'm still disappointed about the lack of a commentary track. Oh well, I suppose MP was the reason behind those happening.
Quote from: TAC on September 03, 2013, 12:06:56 PM
Quote from: Dream Team on September 03, 2013, 11:46:23 AM
Quote from: dparrott on September 03, 2013, 11:22:48 AM
Just realized that A Fortune In Lies will be played with only 2 of its original band members....should be interesting.
Oh yes, I'm GREATLY looking forward to how MM tackles some of these drummerific songs.
He played the middle part on the snare with one hand when I saw him in Boston. Assuming he did that on the DVD. Very cool.
O_O you mean the instrumental section with the sample over it (3:15 in the studio version)? That's
ridiculous.
That's right.
Duh duguh dah da duguda da duga duguda duguda dah dah duguda
DugaDugadah dah duguda da duga duguda duguda dah dah duguda
a LIFETIME of practice and drive.
Quote from: TAC on September 03, 2013, 12:06:56 PM
Quote from: Dream Team on September 03, 2013, 11:46:23 AM
Quote from: dparrott on September 03, 2013, 11:22:48 AM
Just realized that A Fortune In Lies will be played with only 2 of its original band members....should be interesting.
Oh yes, I'm GREATLY looking forward to how MM tackles some of these drummerific songs.
He played the middle part on the snare with one hand when I saw him in Boston. Assuming he did that on the DVD. Very cool.
O_O Well, that sounds cool! holy shit!
Live at Luna Park Press Release today:
https://www.dreamtheater.net/board_posts/live-at-luna-park-press-release
and DT Theatrical Shout out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap4U38bTUH0
BTW what's a shout out ???
I WANT CONCERT AUDIO
lol that video... I wonder how long it takes to get set up and get everyone situated so that Jordan can announce that they made an announcement a while back. Do you think they got it in one take? I love DT for always putting their all into every little thing.
CD's are only available in the deluxe edition??? :censored
The film is only being played near me when I'm not in that area??? :censored :censored
Where's the preorder for the US?....
JP is staring into our souls in that video.
I was expecting them to speak and say something. They looked a bit unconfortable in their forced silence. :D
I found this:
"Pre-book Order Date October 11, MSRP $19.98 Blu-ray, $17.98 2DVD, $44.98 2DVD/3CD, $49.98 Blu-ray/3CD, $109.98 Blu-ray, 2DVD, 3CD"
Here:
https://www.musicnewsnashville.com/dream-theaters-live-luna-park-2dvd-blu-ray-digital-video-deluxe-editions-november-5
Not quite sure what that is about. The Deluxe 3CD/2DVD/1BD is about 33£ on amazon.co.uk ???
Yeah, that was my thought too. Maybe it's because these are just MSRP and the actual prices will be less?
Quote from: Another_Won on September 05, 2013, 10:16:52 AM
I found this:
"Pre-book Order Date October 11, MSRP $19.98 Blu-ray, $17.98 2DVD, $44.98 2DVD/3CD, $49.98 Blu-ray/3CD, $109.98 Blu-ray, 2DVD, 3CD"
Here:
https://www.musicnewsnashville.com/dream-theaters-live-luna-park-2dvd-blu-ray-digital-video-deluxe-editions-november-5
That can't be correct, since the press release says that the only way to get the CDs is in the Deluxe edition.
Quote from: Shadow2222 on September 05, 2013, 10:24:52 AM
Quote from: Another_Won on September 05, 2013, 10:16:52 AM
I found this:
"Pre-book Order Date October 11, MSRP $19.98 Blu-ray, $17.98 2DVD, $44.98 2DVD/3CD, $49.98 Blu-ray/3CD, $109.98 Blu-ray, 2DVD, 3CD"
Here:
https://www.musicnewsnashville.com/dream-theaters-live-luna-park-2dvd-blu-ray-digital-video-deluxe-editions-november-5
That can't be correct, since the press release says that the only way to get the CDs is in the Deluxe edition.
. . . don't kill the messenger :biggrin:
Really the only thing I was looking at was an actual date for pre-orders.
^ Haha no problem :) I preordered the deluxe version on Amazon UK just in case, to lock in the lower price. It is NTSC, so it will play just fine on my Bluray player. If it ends up being cheaper or the same price on Amazon USA, I'll cancel my UK order and preorder it. If not, I'll keep the UK order :)
Also, very cool about the multi-angles for Outcry. I really enjoyed that feature on the Budokan disc for Instrumedley.
Havent' seen anymore talk about the app...Is this still going on or was it nixed?
Until I see a promotional video with ACTUAL concert audio, I'm not touching this. Sorry, but it's been so delayed and so miscommunicated with fans, that I now am less excited about this release, and more just wondering "what are they hiding?".
Why does it have to be anything to hide? Couldn't there simply have been some promotional problem with Eagle Rock (they may have had a schedule on their own or whatnot) or any issue with the management? And anyway, we had actual audio on the Mativision trailer, right?
Quote from: wasteland on September 05, 2013, 11:14:23 AM
Why does it have to be anything to hide? Couldn't there simply have been some promotional problem with Eagle Rock (they may have had a schedule on their own or whatnot) or any issue with the management? And anyway, we had actual audio on the Mativision trailer, right?
It doesn't have to be. It just feels that way, to me.
I forgot about Mativision. That audio definitely sounded like it was some kind of preproduction thing though.
Quote from: Ben_Jamin on September 05, 2013, 10:10:16 AM
Where's the preorder for the US?....
Nowhere.. :facepalm:
Quote from: Perpetual Change on September 05, 2013, 11:04:03 AM
Until I see a promotional video with ACTUAL concert audio, I'm not touching this. Sorry, but it's been so delayed and so miscommunicated with fans, that I now am less excited about this release, and more just wondering "what are they hiding?".
They can't use the intro music from Hans Zimmer because of licensing issues. There was a theory that they want to replace it with "False Awakening Suite" for the BluRay but RR wants to wait until after the album's release - therefore the delay.
I don't quite buy why they can't release the BluRay with "False Awakening Suite" beforehand, but I think that it's likely that they will use it.
That seems wildly unlikely to me. They're just going to paste the opening track from DT's next album onto the beginning of the set? That doesn't make any sense.
The beginning of Bridges in the Sky will open the film just fine.
Quote from: me7 on September 05, 2013, 01:19:21 PM
I don't quite buy why they can't release the BluRay with "False Awakening Suite" beforehand, but I think that it's likely that they will use it.
Because that would be lame as hell.
They did say that they had to replace the audio for the intro due to licensing issues with the Hans Zimmer song so yeah, I've been thinking the same basically.
Quote from: theseoafs on September 05, 2013, 01:25:06 PM
That seems wildly unlikely to me. They're just going to paste the opening track from DT's next album onto the beginning of the set? That doesn't make any sense.
The beginning of Bridges in the Sky will open the film just fine.
They're definitely including the cartoon - it's a bonus feature and everything - so I doubt they'll cut straight to Bridges in the Sky. It's just a matter of matching it to a track.
False Awakening Suite was deliberately written as an Inception-alike. Whatever they put on it, it's not going to be the same music that was played on the night, so I don't personally see a massive problem with it being FAS. Think Hell's Kitchen seems like a plausible choice, as it's a non-anachronistic song that crescendos nicely.
Sure, but the cartoon is a bonus feature rather than a part of the film. There's no reason to believe the film proper begins with a piece of DT12.
FAS could underscore the cartoon, but I refuse to believe that the primary cause of Luna Park's delay was so that the band could record and release a replacement for Zimmer in the studio. That doesn't make any sense, from a practical or business standpoint, considering they could have used Hell's Kitchen or just released the cartoon on Youtube at a later date.
Quote from: me7 on September 05, 2013, 01:19:21 PM
Quote from: Perpetual Change on September 05, 2013, 11:04:03 AM
Until I see a promotional video with ACTUAL concert audio, I'm not touching this. Sorry, but it's been so delayed and so miscommunicated with fans, that I now am less excited about this release, and more just wondering "what are they hiding?".
They can't use the intro music from Hans Zimmer because of licensing issues. There was a theory that they want to replace it with "False Awakening Suite" for the BluRay but RR wants to wait until after the album's release - therefore the delay.
I don't quite buy why they can't release the BluRay with "False Awakening Suite" beforehand, but I think that it's likely that they will use it.
If I recall correctly (and correct me if Im' wrong), something similar happened in the Budokan DVD where Zappa section had some Zappa footage on the screen and they do not show any of this during the DVD. I think MP covered this on his Budokan drumming DVD. He mentioned licensing issues as well (can't recall if it was cost or just how long it takes to deal with it).
Quote from: Shadow2222 on September 03, 2013, 06:00:25 PM
I'm still disappointed about the lack of a commentary track. Oh well, I suppose MP was the reason behind those happening.
Especially since it was the clear winner in the poll a few months ago, that supposedly had some sway with the creators. Ah well, the package still sounds good, so we can but hope for next time.
I thought there was an interview with MM where he stated that the delay was due to them wanting to pack so much onto the discs? To me it doesnt seem enough to warrant a year (thereabouts) of a delay. But as long as the footage and sound is better than CIM, then its all good.
Quote from: theseoafs on September 05, 2013, 01:46:51 PM
Sure, but the cartoon is a bonus feature rather than a part of the film. There's no reason to believe the film proper begins with a piece of DT12.
FAS could underscore the cartoon, but I refuse to believe that the primary cause of Luna Park's delay was so that the band could record and release a replacement for Zimmer in the studio. That doesn't make any sense, from a practical or business standpoint, considering they could have used Hell's Kitchen or just released the cartoon on Youtube at a later date.
Might be missing something - who said it was the primary cause of Luna Park's delay? I think it's likely to have been complex audio issues, mixed with a desire to avoid the S/T release schedule.
^
Quote from: me7 on September 05, 2013, 01:19:21 PM
They can't use the intro music from Hans Zimmer because of licensing issues. There was a theory that they want to replace it with "False Awakening Suite" for the BluRay but RR wants to wait until after the album's release - therefore the delay.
Quote from: theseoafs on September 05, 2013, 04:04:21 PM
^
Quote from: me7 on September 05, 2013, 01:19:21 PM
They can't use the intro music from Hans Zimmer because of licensing issues. There was a theory that they want to replace it with "False Awakening Suite" for the BluRay but RR wants to wait until after the album's release - therefore the delay.
Aha! Yes, I missed something, then. Continue!
Woohoo! Finnish music store Levykauppa Äx finally got the preoders going!
https://www.levykauppax.fi/artist/dream_theater/ (https://www.levykauppax.fi/artist/dream_theater/)
Quote from: adastra on September 05, 2013, 10:29:19 PM
Woohoo! Finnish music store Levykauppa Äx finally got the preoders going!
https://www.levykauppax.fi/artist/dream_theater/ (https://www.levykauppax.fi/artist/dream_theater/)
Deluxe edition 61,95€?! :faint: Luckily I always wanted the standard DVD edition.
Quote from: ? on September 05, 2013, 11:17:01 PM
Quote from: adastra on September 05, 2013, 10:29:19 PM
Woohoo! Finnish music store Levykauppa Äx finally got the preoders going!
https://www.levykauppax.fi/artist/dream_theater/ (https://www.levykauppax.fi/artist/dream_theater/)
Deluxe edition 61,95€?! :faint: Luckily I always wanted the standard DVD edition.
Well, It really is a little bit pricey :E
It's twice as expensive as the standard edition and I think that's way too much. But as I said, I'll be happy enough with the basic 2DVD because I rarely play live CDs.
Quote from: ? on September 05, 2013, 11:26:55 PM
It's twice as expensive as the standard edition and I think that's way too much. But as I said, I'll be happy enough with the basic 2DVD because I rarely play live CDs.
Same goes for me.. I'm not even that interested anymore about this DVD anymore. I'll buy it , of course!
That sounds a bit expensive. I ordered my deluxe box at amazon.co.uk and the total was £37.13 ($57.94 / 44 EUR) which includes postage and packaging.
I'm nut sure anymore if I should preorder any of the versions at all. Probably I'll go for the DVD, but my main interest are the CDs, and since they are only available through the deluxe thing which is too expensive for me, I hope there will at least be some mp3 versions on Amazon :dunno:
Quote from: aprilethereal on September 06, 2013, 12:16:29 AM
I'm nut sure anymore if I should preorder any of the versions at all. Probably I'll go for the DVD, but my main interest are the CDs, and since they are only available through the deluxe thing which is too expensive for me, I hope there will at least be some mp3 versions on Amazon :dunno:
Theyve said an mp3 version will be on iTunes
The problem is that it's iTunes :P
Quote from: aprilethereal on September 06, 2013, 12:32:19 AM
The problem is that it's iTunes :P
Absolutely agree!!
I also agree that as soon as the self titled release is out of the way, there needs to be another trailer with audio.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on September 05, 2013, 11:04:03 AM
Until I see a promotional video with ACTUAL concert audio, I'm not touching this. Sorry, but it's been so delayed and so miscommunicated with fans, that I now am less excited about this release, and more just wondering "what are they hiding?".
There's been a promotional video with actual concert audio floating around since April. https://www.roadrunnerrecords.co.uk/page/News?news_id=121664
Why the video has always been unlisted on youtube, I have no idea. Would think any help in promoting the Bluray would be a good thing..
Maybe the delay was so they could show it in the movie theaters prior to release.
Quote from: DreamTension on September 06, 2013, 08:01:09 AM
Maybe the delay was so they could show it in the movie theaters prior to release.
That most certainly is part of it (along with maybe production issues?) They surely wouldn't release it before trying to milk some money out of folks showing it in theaters first. They'd step all over themselves doing that.
You know another theory that no one seems to mention is the fact that DT will not tour directly after the album which means there would be a gap between the album release and the tour supporting the album unless they release a concert DVD to fill that gap and get fans hyped for the following tour. To me that seems like a pretty logic time schedule from a record company. It's all speculations from my end though.
It's just that LALP is not released by :soon:
Quote from: aprilethereal on September 06, 2013, 12:03:14 PM
It's just that LALP is not released by :soon:
It still benefits Roadrunner by keeping interest in the band high after a record release and before a tour, so I'm sure they were likely in correspondence with the companies directly responsible for the DVD.
Still trying to keep a positive attitude about this release because I am really anxious to see the ADTOE songs performed plus Metropolis, but . . .
3 of my 4 least favorite songs from Awake (along with Lie)
My least favorite song from SC
BY FAR my 2 least favorite "songs" from SDOIT
Middle-of-the-pack song from WDADU
Very overdone song from SFAM
If the audio and video is as great as advertised, it'll overcome the above.
Quote from: aprilethereal on September 06, 2013, 12:03:14 PM
It's just that LALP is not released by :soon:
Wrong of me to say record company, I meant "a pretty logic decision from the DT camp if they are following a certain time schedule".
I'm so so sorry if this has been asked somewhere else or confirmed anywhere (but I can't find)... has there been any word that there may be a LALP showing in movie theatres in Australia??
I would love to go and see it in a movie theatre is all... and I've seen lots of US dates for it but yeah.
And even if there's any possibility that the tour in promotion of the new album may make it over here? I don't think they've been over here since BC&SL... :( :( :(
I'm not sure. When I read the recent press release I saw three showings in Austria (AT) and one is a country labeled "AU". Could it be Australia?
Quote from: wasteland on September 07, 2013, 12:59:15 AM
I'm not sure. When I read the recent press release I saw three showings in Austria (AT) and one is a country labeled "AU". Could it be Australia?
Oh yeah... It is. Avoca Beach, NSW, Australia. Well there is no way I'm going there for it! That's not even in my state. If I lived in NSW I'd be there, for sure. Do you reckon there's more dates than this to come?! Need one in Brisbane and I'll be happy!!! ;D
I don't think I see any FII tracks on that setlist. That's kind of a shame. Really glad I'll finally get to see a live rendition of 6:00 though.
Quote from: Super Dude on September 07, 2013, 06:32:16 AM
I don't think I see any FII tracks on that setlist. That's kind of a shame. Really glad I'll finally get to see a live rendition of 6:00 though.
Train of Thought and Black Clouds are both completely absent, too. Which is fine. I quite like that they don't just cross things off a checklist. (By and large!)
That said, I would be completely okay with The Spirit Carries On not being on another DVD for a while. Between Metropolis 2000, Score, Luna Park, and seeing it on three of the four occasions I've caught the band live, I'm getting a little tuckered out.
Quote from: robwebster on September 07, 2013, 07:06:02 AM
That said, I would be completely okay with The Spirit Carries On not being on another DVD for a while.
Totally agreed. It's a great song, but they play it a lot.
I'm on the opposite camp on this one. I would be happy if they made it a fixed point in setlists for the rest of their career, even though I'm perfectly aware that such event will never happen.
Quote from: robwebster on September 07, 2013, 07:06:02 AM
That said, I would be completely okay with The Spirit Carries On not being on another DVD for a while.
Yeah, I don't even like the song too much and on the top of that they always begin it with some 20-minute extended intro :-\
Preorders up for all editions of LALP:
https://www.myplaydirect.com/dream-theater?utm_medium=post&utm_source=facebook&utm_content=dream%20theater%20d2c%20preorder%20promote&utm_campaign=dream%20theater%20d2c%20preorder%20promote&cid=lg:13w2
pretty cool packages, but why is it so overpriced :-\
odds are ill get the most deluxe package anyway cause i have no self restraint, but really, $130 after shipping? a bit excessive considering even the dt12 box set wasnt that much...
Quote from: countoftuscany42 on October 02, 2013, 07:44:18 AM
Preorders up for all editions of LALP:
https://www.myplaydirect.com/dream-theater?utm_medium=post&utm_source=facebook&utm_content=dream%20theater%20d2c%20preorder%20promote&utm_campaign=dream%20theater%20d2c%20preorder%20promote&cid=lg:13w2
pretty cool packages, but why is it so overpriced :-\
odds are ill get the most deluxe package anyway cause i have no self restraint, but really, $130 after shipping? a bit excessive considering even the dt12 box set wasnt that much...
WOW. Deluxe Package
Is it just me, or is there not a plain DVD version listed there? I see it included with other editions, but for a basic version, it only lists a Bluray. There would have to be a basic DVD version available.
I'd only want to get a basic DVD version. I don't have Bluray yet, and I don't listen to live CDs.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on October 02, 2013, 07:49:49 AM
Is it just me, or is there not a plain DVD version listed there? I see it included with other editions, but for a basic version, it only lists a Bluray. There would have to be a basic DVD version available.
I'd only want to get a basic DVD version. I don't have Bluray yet, and I don't listen to live CDs.
https://www.amazon.com/Live-Luna-Park-Dream-Theater/dp/B00F1W1SQW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1380725603&sr=8-2&keywords=dream+theater+live+at+luna+park+dvd
Quote from: Prog Snob on October 02, 2013, 07:53:41 AM
Quote from: BlobVanDam on October 02, 2013, 07:49:49 AM
Is it just me, or is there not a plain DVD version listed there? I see it included with other editions, but for a basic version, it only lists a Bluray. There would have to be a basic DVD version available.
I'd only want to get a basic DVD version. I don't have Bluray yet, and I don't listen to live CDs.
https://www.amazon.com/Live-Luna-Park-Dream-Theater/dp/B00F1W1SQW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1380725603&sr=8-2&keywords=dream+theater+live+at+luna+park+dvd
Thanks. I knew there had to be a DVD version, but I didn't see it on that site!
I'll just pick it up on the release date in store, as our record store (JB-Hifi) is always very prompt with having a bunch of copies on shelves right on release day, or even the day before. :hat
Quote from: BlobVanDam on October 02, 2013, 07:58:05 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on October 02, 2013, 07:53:41 AM
Quote from: BlobVanDam on October 02, 2013, 07:49:49 AM
Is it just me, or is there not a plain DVD version listed there? I see it included with other editions, but for a basic version, it only lists a Bluray. There would have to be a basic DVD version available.
I'd only want to get a basic DVD version. I don't have Bluray yet, and I don't listen to live CDs.
https://www.amazon.com/Live-Luna-Park-Dream-Theater/dp/B00F1W1SQW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1380725603&sr=8-2&keywords=dream+theater+live+at+luna+park+dvd
Thanks. I knew there had to be a DVD version, but I didn't see it on that site!
I'll just pick it up on the release date in store, as our record store (JB-Hifi) is always very prompt with having a bunch of copies on shelves right on release day, or even the day before. :hat
I am going to be selfish and buy the whole package.
Quote from: Prog Snob on October 02, 2013, 07:53:41 AM
Quote from: BlobVanDam on October 02, 2013, 07:49:49 AM
Is it just me, or is there not a plain DVD version listed there? I see it included with other editions, but for a basic version, it only lists a Bluray. There would have to be a basic DVD version available.
I'd only want to get a basic DVD version. I don't have Bluray yet, and I don't listen to live CDs.
https://www.amazon.com/Live-Luna-Park-Dream-Theater/dp/B00F1W1SQW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1380725603&sr=8-2&keywords=dream+theater+live+at+luna+park+dvd
But is this just the same version show in theaters without the behind-the-scenes footage and interviews? I want a DVD version without all of the extra goodies, but I also want the behind-the-scenes interviews and backstage footage.
Quote from: Mebert78 on October 02, 2013, 08:04:00 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on October 02, 2013, 07:53:41 AM
Quote from: BlobVanDam on October 02, 2013, 07:49:49 AM
Is it just me, or is there not a plain DVD version listed there? I see it included with other editions, but for a basic version, it only lists a Bluray. There would have to be a basic DVD version available.
I'd only want to get a basic DVD version. I don't have Bluray yet, and I don't listen to live CDs.
https://www.amazon.com/Live-Luna-Park-Dream-Theater/dp/B00F1W1SQW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1380725603&sr=8-2&keywords=dream+theater+live+at+luna+park+dvd
But is this just the same version show in theaters without the behind-the-scenes footage and interviews? I want a DVD version without all of the extra goodies, but I also want the behind-the-scenes interviews and backstage footage.
It's 2 DVDs. The basic DVD version has all of the extras, such as the additional songs, documentary stuff etc, so you're getting more than you saw in the theater.
The deluxe version costs 80 bucks? :(
Quote from: Cyclopssss on October 02, 2013, 08:06:52 AM
The deluxe version costs 80 bucks? :(
I love DT as much as any of us here, but I think they went overboard with these packages.
Quote from: Mebert78 on October 02, 2013, 08:11:04 AM
Quote from: Cyclopssss on October 02, 2013, 08:06:52 AM
The deluxe version costs 80 bucks? :(
I love DT as much as any of us here, but I think they went overboard with these packages.
It looks like two of them are exclusive to that official store though, so they're probably more of a limited deal. If you want that stuff and have the money, I guess it's nice to have something special, although I couldn't justify that cost for a live concert for the extra trinkets.
I'll be more than content to have a new high quality DT DVD! Nothing else necessary. :metal
Hey guys, those that want the Deluxe book version, order it from Amazon UK before they change the price!
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00EJJSUQE/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00EJJSUQE/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
I order from Amazon UK all the time (and I am in the US). It is NTSC, so the Blurays and DVDs will play in a normal DVD/Bluray player. The only downside is waiting a couple extra days (but it usually still comes pretty quick).
You don't have to pay VAT (their version of tax, basically) if you are in the U.S., so it works out to about 50 bucks (shipped!).
Amazon has a price match guarantee, so even though it will likely get fixed before release, you will lock in the current price. You don't get charged until it ships, so you can cancel anytime, too!
EDIT: Crap, I might be wrong. It is NTSC but Region 2, so it won't play in a non-region free player. :(
@Shadow222222: I ordered the box there a couple weeks ago. Is it possible that the price changes there as well and I'll have to pay a different amount than the one that was on when I placed the order (and still is)?
Quote from: wasteland on October 02, 2013, 08:28:13 AM
@Shadow222222: I ordered the box there a couple weeks ago. Is it possible that the price changes there as well and I'll have to pay a different amount than the one that was on when I placed the order (and still is)?
Nope :) That's my favorite, favorite, favorite thing about Amazon (whether it be Amazon USA, or Amazon UK)! They have a price match guarantee, so if you preorder something at 5 dollars, and it eventually is changed to 100 dollars right before released, you will only get charged the original price you preordered at!
Very rarely they will cancel an order if it is an extreme price difference (such as a $3000 TV accidentally being price at $300), but they will always let you know by email way beforehand. I've only ever had an order cancelled once, and it was a GIANT price mistake.
Official preorders are up on the bands webstore....finally.
Okay, us USA peeps can still get a pretty hefty discount.
Amazon US has the Deluxe Book/Bluray/DVD/CD edition for $64 right now (free shipping in the US, too).
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F1W1SFS/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F1W1SFS/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
I know this, even with the lack of info, because the original price is $109.98 (just like on the official DT site).
Quote from: Shadow2222 on October 02, 2013, 08:44:28 AM
Okay, us USA peeps can still get a pretty hefty discount.
Amazon US has the Deluxe Book/Bluray/DVD/CD edition for $64 right now (free shipping in the US, too).
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F1W1SFS/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F1W1SFS/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
I know this, even with the lack of info, because the original price is $109.98 (just like on the official DT site).
Came here to post this.
Quote from: Mindflux on October 02, 2013, 08:53:19 AM
Came here to post this.
:tup
I'm also wondering whether or not the UK ones are truly region encoded.
On the FAQ on that official DT merchandise site, it says:
"Unless indicated otherwise, our DVDs are NTSC and Region free (that means playback will not be limited by any region encoding your player may have) Our Blu-ray Discs are NTSC and region free."
Hmmm.... I may end up paying the extra 14 bucks on the US site just for the extra "security" and to be able to get it on release date.
Quote from: Mebert78 on October 02, 2013, 08:11:04 AM
Quote from: Cyclopssss on October 02, 2013, 08:06:52 AM
The deluxe version costs 80 bucks? :(
I love DT as much as any of us here, but I think they went overboard with these packages.
I feel that about any highly anticipated release these days.
Everything comes with a super special "collectable" edition, but usually when you look at what you're getting, it's not a good value. Also, things that advertise as being "collectable" or "special' are usually anything but. A few months ago, RR was still selling Black Clouds box sets for half the original price. :lol
Just give me the BluRay with a digital download of the audio. That's all I care about.
The pint glass is nice too but I already have enough novelty pint glasses.
For the poster, give me a shot of the guys playing at Luna Park, and I'd consider it. No way I'm putting more Hugh Syme on the wall. The Systematic Chaos artwork is more than enough, and that's only up because it's the signed lithograph.
I got the bundle with the poster and pint glass. The poster looks awesome. I hope they ship it in a poster tube and not folded
I got the deluxe bluray with 3cd...
Does anybody know if this version on Amazon is the 2DVD/3CD version: https://www.amazon.com/Live-Luna-Park-Dream-Theater/dp/B00F1W1SHG/ref=sr_1_2
The Product Details say there are 5 discs so I assume it is but wanted to see if anyone knows for sure.
Quote from: Shadow2222 on October 02, 2013, 09:00:54 AM
Quote from: Mindflux on October 02, 2013, 08:53:19 AM
Came here to post this.
:tup
I'm also wondering whether or not the UK ones are truly region encoded.
On the FAQ on that official DT merchandise site, it says:
"Unless indicated otherwise, our DVDs are NTSC and Region free (that means playback will not be limited by any region encoding your player may have) Our Blu-ray Discs are NTSC and region free."
Hmmm.... I may end up paying the extra 14 bucks on the US site just for the extra "security" and to be able to get it on release date.
The link has been updated with a full description. It makes no mention of the photobook that comes with the $109 version from DT's preorder site.
^ I'm going to give it a week or two and then ask a chat representative.
The deluxe book edition is apparently the only one that has Bluray, DVD, and CD, so I'm still assuming it is the right version. Plus, the "starting" price on Amazon is the price on the official site of the deluxe book.
I'm confused cuz Amazon doesn't give very good details of what you get.
Is this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F1W1SFS/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
the same as
https://www.myplaydirect.com/dream-theater/deluxe-book-bundle/details/28909097
? ? ? ? ?
Yea that is unclear, but I think it would be just the 60 page book with Bluray, DVD, and CDs. That choic that doesn't have the glass, poster, and key chain.
I hope you guys preordered and locked in the 63 dollar price, because it jumped to $77 today.
Quote from: Shadow2222 on October 02, 2013, 07:43:08 PM
^ I'm going to give it a week or two and then ask a chat representative.
The deluxe book edition is apparently the only one that has Bluray, DVD, and CD, so I'm still assuming it is the right version. Plus, the "starting" price on Amazon is the price on the official site of the deluxe book.
Oh I know, I just wish it said it had the photobook!
Quote from: Mindflux on October 03, 2013, 10:10:37 AM
Quote from: Shadow2222 on October 02, 2013, 07:43:08 PM
^ I'm going to give it a week or two and then ask a chat representative.
The deluxe book edition is apparently the only one that has Bluray, DVD, and CD, so I'm still assuming it is the right version. Plus, the "starting" price on Amazon is the price on the official site of the deluxe book.
Oh I know, I just wish it said it had the photobook!
Yeah, I hope it clarifies, but at least Amazon doesn't charge until the item ships. Plenty of time to find out.
I didn't pre-order with the $66 price cuz it still doesn't say if it's the version with the book. If it is, then $77 is still good, but if not then what are we paying for? I mean, the MSRP is roughly the same ($110/$125) or whatever so can we just assume it's the same big-ass version? Amazon doesn't even say if it comes with the glass and other stuff so I dunno.
Quote from: PetFish on October 03, 2013, 09:35:07 PM
I didn't pre-order with the $66 price cuz it still doesn't say if it's the version with the book. If it is, then $77 is still good, but if not then what are we paying for? I mean, the MSRP is roughly the same ($110/$125) or whatever so can we just assume it's the same big-ass version? Amazon doesn't even say if it comes with the glass and other stuff so I dunno.
Why not just temporarily preorder? Amazon doesn't charge or even put any authorizations on your payment method until an item ships. Plus, you can cancel it easily anytime by going into Orders. No calling and no emailing necessary. If you find out it isn't what you want, just cancel.
I do this all the time lol.
Quote from: PetFish on October 03, 2013, 09:35:07 PM
I didn't pre-order with the $66 price cuz it still doesn't say if it's the version with the book. If it is, then $77 is still good, but if not then what are we paying for? I mean, the MSRP is roughly the same ($110/$125) or whatever so can we just assume it's the same big-ass version? Amazon doesn't even say if it comes with the glass and other stuff so I dunno.
I would say that it will be the same as this:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00EJJSUQE/ref=aw_d_pd_dvd?qid=1380889682&sr=8-1
So yeah, deluxe book, CDs and what not. I think the glass and keychains are exclusive to that official ordering site.
Im not satisfied with the lack of different kind of editions.. We need at least DELUXE 2-VHS and .AVI Download too.
VHS :lol
Quote from: PetFish on October 03, 2013, 09:35:07 PM
I didn't pre-order with the $66 price cuz it still doesn't say if it's the version with the book. If it is, then $77 is still good, but if not then what are we paying for? I mean, the MSRP is roughly the same ($110/$125) or whatever so can we just assume it's the same big-ass version? Amazon doesn't even say if it comes with the glass and other stuff so I dunno.
Given that the 'official' preorder page lists the ones with pint glass and poster as "EXCLUSIVE" I'd say NOBODY else is selling those (outside of people re-selling them on ebay and the likes) that's kind of what EXCLUSIVE means.
So the 66/77 dollar one on amazon (depending on when you ordered) should be akin to the $109 dollar "NON EXCLUSIVE" bundle.
Good advice about the pre-order canceling thing and the 'exclusive' part that I missed.
I don't care about the glass/poster, but the book would be awesome, yet it's not listed on the Amazon page. Any ideas?
It will definitely be the book. Theres the BluRay set, the DVD set or the book which is the BluRay, DVD and CD. You can order that one in confidence I assure you :tup
So does the group believe that this version on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/Live-Luna-Park-DELUXE-Blu-Ray/dp/B00F1W1SFS/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1381184308&sr=8-5&keywords=live+at+luna+park
Live at Luna Park DELUXE [Blu-Ray/2DVD/3CD] (2013)
Dream Theater (Actor), Dream Theater (Director) | Rated: NR | Format: Blu-ray
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List Price: $109.98
Price: $76.99 Eligible for free shipping with Amazon Prime.
Deal Price:
You Save: $32.99 (30%)
Pre-order Price Guarantee. Learn more.
is the one that includes the 60-page book?
I am hopeful as it does list the "original" price as $109 which is what the book bundle price is on the official web site. I pre-ordered it anyway, so hopefully we find out for sure before it ships.
Quote from: BFRedrocks on October 07, 2013, 03:31:56 PM
So does the group believe that this version on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/Live-Luna-Park-DELUXE-Blu-Ray/dp/B00F1W1SFS/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1381184308&sr=8-5&keywords=live+at+luna+park
Live at Luna Park DELUXE [Blu-Ray/2DVD/3CD] (2013)
Dream Theater (Actor), Dream Theater (Director) | Rated: NR | Format: Blu-ray
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List Price: $109.98
Price: $76.99 Eligible for free shipping with Amazon Prime.
Deal Price:
You Save: $32.99 (30%)
Pre-order Price Guarantee. Learn more.
is the one that includes the 60-page book?
I am hopeful as it does list the "original" price as $109 which is what the book bundle price is on the official web site. I pre-ordered it anyway, so hopefully we find out for sure before it ships.
This is what I was thinking about ordering. Obviously the physical media is clear but I also echo the question about the book . . . .
I'm still hesitant to order this cuz of no info on the book. Who can we contact to figure this puzzle out?
Quote from: Shadow2222 on October 02, 2013, 07:43:08 PM
^ I'm going to give it a week or two and then ask a chat representative.
The deluxe book edition is apparently the only one that has Bluray, DVD, and CD, so I'm still assuming it is the right version. Plus, the "starting" price on Amazon is the price on the official site of the deluxe book.
I'm confused. An earlier press release stated that the CDs will only be available in the deluxe book edition. An October 7 press release stated that they would be available in Blu Ray/CD and DVD/CD packages. These packages are all listed on amazon.com.
Can someone clarify this for me? Will the CDs be available in a Blu Ray/CD package as stated in the October 7 press release or only in the deluxe book edition as previously announced?
Thanks in advance.
Quote from: Bluefish1 on October 08, 2013, 08:50:53 AM
Quote from: Shadow2222 on October 02, 2013, 07:43:08 PM
^ I'm going to give it a week or two and then ask a chat representative.
The deluxe book edition is apparently the only one that has Bluray, DVD, and CD, so I'm still assuming it is the right version. Plus, the "starting" price on Amazon is the price on the official site of the deluxe book.
I'm confused. An earlier press release stated that the CDs will only be available in the deluxe book edition. An October 7 press release stated that they would be available in Blu Ray/CD and DVD/CD packages. These packages are all listed on amazon.com.
Can someone clarify this for me? Will the CDs be available in a Blu Ray/CD package as stated in the October 7 press release or only in the deluxe book edition as previously announced?
Thanks in advance.
To be honest all along its always seemed no-one has had a clue what was going on at all anyway so they are probably just making it up as they go...
It really does seem that way.
Quote from: Jinx on October 08, 2013, 09:44:15 AM
Quote from: Bluefish1 on October 08, 2013, 08:50:53 AM
Quote from: Shadow2222 on October 02, 2013, 07:43:08 PM
^ I'm going to give it a week or two and then ask a chat representative.
The deluxe book edition is apparently the only one that has Bluray, DVD, and CD, so I'm still assuming it is the right version. Plus, the "starting" price on Amazon is the price on the official site of the deluxe book.
I'm confused. An earlier press release stated that the CDs will only be available in the deluxe book edition. An October 7 press release stated that they would be available in Blu Ray/CD and DVD/CD packages. These packages are all listed on amazon.com.
Can someone clarify this for me? Will the CDs be available in a Blu Ray/CD package as stated in the October 7 press release or only in the deluxe book edition as previously announced?
Thanks in advance.
To be honest all along its always seemed no-one has had a clue what was going on at all anyway so they are probably just making it up as they go...
I agree. They must have intended for this to be released in May as originally announced. Not less than two months after they released a new album. I just wish that they would issue a clarification because the press releases are contradictory. I ordered the Blu Ray/CD from amazon.com. I hope it comes in that combination.
is no one actually looking at the site the band is using to sell LALP? its pretty clear what all the options are.
https://www.myplaydirect.com/dream-theater/deluxe-blu-ray-3-cd/details/28909250 so yeah there is a bluray/cd set, and a dvd/cd set, and the book version, or just bluray or dvd on its own.
The band has a website?
Quote from: countoftuscany42 on October 08, 2013, 12:58:42 PM
is no one actually looking at the site the band is using to sell LALP? its pretty clear what all the options are.
https://www.myplaydirect.com/dream-theater/deluxe-blu-ray-3-cd/details/28909250 so yeah there is a bluray/cd set, and a dvd/cd set, and the book version, or just bluray or dvd on its own.
Depending on which country you are in they have different options. The US seems to have all of them while other countries have less. For example, here is Argentina we don't have the 2 DVD/ 3 CD option which is available for the US.
Does anyone know what the DVD in the deluxe version (https://www.myplaydirect.com/dream-theater/deluxe-2-dvd-3-cd/details/28909247) has that the DVD in the cheapest version (https://www.myplaydirect.com/dream-theater/live-at-luna-park/details/28909101) does not have? They don't say. Are the 3 CDs the only difference, or is there additional content on the DVDs? I don't want the CDs, but I want to make sure I get all of the backstage footage and interviews on DVD. Does the cheapest version not have that? They need more descriptions.
im pretty sure the only difference is the cds, all the dvds would be manufactured the same way with the same special features. my guess anyway
The Blu-ray has all bonus content as far as I know. The only difference between blu-ray and dvd is that blu-ray has 6 multi angle options on Outcry.
Quote from: countoftuscany42 on October 11, 2013, 11:06:18 AM
im pretty sure the only difference is the cds, all the dvds would be manufactured the same way with the same special features. my guess anyway
I might have to get the deluxe just to be safe. I hope they are not purposely being vague and lacking description to get people to go for the deluxe, like I'm apparently going to do. My concern is that they make a point of saying "2 DVDs" in the deluxe option I linked above, but don't say "2 DVDs" in the cheapest option -- so I'm thinking it might be a single DVD that aired in theaters with no backstage content.
Is the set cheaper on Amazon? I'm not paying fifty bucks for this. :|
EDIT: Alright, it's about $43 on Amazon for the BR/CD edition. Still a bit over my budget for a single release. :sad:
These are the same version, but with the currency here in Norway I'll save $33 buying it from Platekompaniet.no rather than from Myplaydirect.com.
https://www.myplaydirect.com/dream-theater/deluxe-book/details/28909253
https://www.platekompaniet.no/Film.aspx/BLU-RAY/Dream_Theater_-_Live_At_Luna_Park_Deluxe_Earbook_Edition_Blu-ray__2DVD__3CD__Bok/?id=EREDV979
So instead of paying approx. $106, I can just pay $73.
Hmm.. There's no way I could think twice about deciding where to buy LALP in this case. And the fun thing about buying it from the cheapest place is also their policy on delivery for pre-orders. Usually I would recieve anything I pre-order from them on the day of launch/release, or even better, the day before. :biggrin:
Not shure though why Platekompaniet would call the Deluxe Book as "Deluxe Earbook Edition"?
On Amazon the BR is $14, the DVD/CD set is $48, and the BR/CD set is $43. Is that right? That seems bizarre.
It's 2 DVDs. The basic DVD version has all of the extras, such as the additional songs, documentary stuff etc, so you're getting more than you saw in the theater.
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Not so sure about this, Blob. Neither Amazon or band sites actually mention "documentary, interview, or behind the scenes" footage. This is an important selling point, so why omit it if contained in the product? In fact, someone named MyPlay explictily comments on the bands site that those extras are not included in the Live at Luna Park edition.
https://www.myplaydirect.com/dream-theater/live-at-luna-park/details/28909101
However, the site doesn't confirm that 2 DVD set contains the extra footage either.
I could be mistaken, or am I detecting another RR bait and switch?
Quote from: RaiseTheKnife on October 11, 2013, 11:04:46 PM
Not so sure about this, Blob. Neither Amazon or band sites actually mention "documentary, interview, or behind the scenes" footage. This is an important selling point, so why omit it if contained in the product? In fact, someone named MyPlay explictily comments on the bands site that those extras are not included in the Live at Luna Park edition.
https://www.myplaydirect.com/dream-theater/live-at-luna-park/details/28909101
However, the site doesn't confirm that 2 DVD set contains the extra footage either.
I could be mistaken, or am I detecting another RR bait and switch?
It's not being released by RR, and I don't know what the first one was anyway.
I think it's just a case of poor communication of details. Every DVD edition includes 2 DVDs, including the basic version, correct? I assume they're not splitting the main concert across 2 discs, so I'd assume it is the concert on disc 1, and the extra songs and documentary stuff etc on disc 2. To have different versions that include 2 different sets of DVDs would be impractical and more expensive for them to produce, so I consider that unlikely.
This is all standard stuff that I wouldn't expect to be held off for a super deluxe version, especially when they are including extras such as books, CDs, mugs etc to justify the extra costs. Everything since Budokan has been 2 discs with all of the features, so it would be a step backwards to hold that off as a selling point.
I think the omission of these details on sites is a matter of them not having clear or complete information, rather than an indication that they're not being included.
Anyway, that's just my reasoning. It would be nice to have this clearly stated to avoid the confusion we've already had over versions. Until I hear it from a first party source, I'm not going to get worried about it.
Oh, i was referring to the releasing of the HD tracks after the initial release of the album, which I ended up buying twice.
I'm just surprised that the band site is vague in what it is offering in its bundles. I had to go to amazon to determine that the second dvd contains the bonus songs. But no mention of the documentary still makes me wonder . . .
As I said before, I think it's very unlikely any of the discs are going to be different between versions. It would cost them more to create two different second discs, one with certain extras and one without. It costs more to create and encode two sets of menus, and to stamp out different discs with different data and labels.
It wouldn't be practical, and I don't really know of any releases that do that. It's usually a case of the cheaper version only including the main disc, then the more expensive edition including the additional disc with the features.
I'm fairly confident that all DVDs will include the same features.
Hmmm, I think im going to hold off until its released and see what other people say is included in the standard dvd. I don't want to spend an extra $20 on the deluxe dvd/3 cd version if the cheapest version includes the documentary stuff. Christmas is coming up and every penny county. Andpersonally, I dont need the dvd the day I comes out. I can wait an extra week or two to make sure im getting what I want. But yes, it would be nice if they would offer clearer descriptions on the product choices.
In case I missed it or I'm just stupid, is there a blu-ray/CD/Book option?
Its book/Blu/DVD/CD
and here i was, all set to by the book version through amazon and save $30, but the price has jumped up to $100 :sad:
so i just said hell with it and went for the most deluxe package :lol
Quote from: countoftuscany42 on October 14, 2013, 09:24:24 AM
and here i was, all set to by the book version through amazon and save $30, but the price has jumped up to $100 :sad:
so i just said hell with it and went for the most deluxe package :lol
I told everyone to preorder it! I'm glad I have mine locked in at 66 dollars.
Quote from: Shadow2222 on October 14, 2013, 11:32:22 AM
Quote from: countoftuscany42 on October 14, 2013, 09:24:24 AM
and here i was, all set to by the book version through amazon and save $30, but the price has jumped up to $100 :sad:
so i just said hell with it and went for the most deluxe package :lol
I told everyone to preorder it! I'm glad I have mine locked in at 66 dollars.
Got mine after the first increase at $79, so I'm still happy about saving $20, or am I? How does this policy work if the price goes UP?
"Pre-order Price Guarantee! Order now and if the Amazon.com price
decreases between your order time and the end of the day of the release date, you'll receive the lowest price. Here's how (restrictions apply)"
And there's my preorder of LALP complete. I went with the Bluray/dvd/cd/book edition. :biggrin:
All that's left for me to do now, is to wait for the mail to arrive. :lol
Quote from: BFRedrocks on October 14, 2013, 12:23:03 PM
Quote from: Shadow2222 on October 14, 2013, 11:32:22 AM
Quote from: countoftuscany42 on October 14, 2013, 09:24:24 AM
and here i was, all set to by the book version through amazon and save $30, but the price has jumped up to $100 :sad:
so i just said hell with it and went for the most deluxe package :lol
I told everyone to preorder it! I'm glad I have mine locked in at 66 dollars.
Got mine after the first increase at $79, so I'm still happy about saving $20, or am I? How does this policy work if the price goes UP?
"Pre-order Price Guarantee! Order now and if the Amazon.com price decreases between your order time and the end of the day of the release date, you'll receive the lowest price. Here's how (restrictions apply)"
It says that because if something was a price mistake, or goes up by a huge amount, such as $100 or $200, they will notify you of the price change. However, I've never had them increase the price of anything that I have preordered, and I have definitely had stuff go up by over $50 before without them changing my price. This shouldn't be an exception.
trying to find a place to preorder the deluxe bundle in pal format is doing my head in. jb hifi has the bluray, but not the book. help from any aussies?
https://www.screenpop.com.au/dvd/live-at-luna-park-deluxe/4728.html
https://www.shockrecords.com.au/dvd/live-at-luna-park-deluxe/4898.html
From a Google search, these Australian sites have the Deluxe version listed as region 0 (one says imported from the UK), so if that's correct the international version might be region free. No idea how reliable the information is though, but they've done it with some past releases.
With any luck, JB Hifi might stock the deluxe version once it's released. It is odd they only have the basic DVD and Bluray versions, as they're usually pretty reliable for DT stuff. Might be worth contacting them and checking.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on October 14, 2013, 11:50:53 PM
https://www.screenpop.com.au/dvd/live-at-luna-park-deluxe/4728.html
https://www.shockrecords.com.au/dvd/live-at-luna-park-deluxe/4898.html
From a Google search, these Australian sites have the Deluxe version listed as region 0 (one says imported from the UK), so if that's correct the international version might be region free. No idea how reliable the information is though, but they've done it with some past releases.
With any luck, JB Hifi might stock the deluxe version once it's released. It is odd they only have the basic DVD and Bluray versions, as they're usually pretty reliable for DT stuff. Might be worth contacting them and checking.
appreciate the advice all the same (and i will definitely call them, cheers), but i'm talking about the video format, not the region code. the links you gave me are for the ntsc version.
Quote from: scythe on October 15, 2013, 12:04:38 AM
Quote from: BlobVanDam on October 14, 2013, 11:50:53 PM
https://www.screenpop.com.au/dvd/live-at-luna-park-deluxe/4728.html
https://www.shockrecords.com.au/dvd/live-at-luna-park-deluxe/4898.html
From a Google search, these Australian sites have the Deluxe version listed as region 0 (one says imported from the UK), so if that's correct the international version might be region free. No idea how reliable the information is though, but they've done it with some past releases.
With any luck, JB Hifi might stock the deluxe version once it's released. It is odd they only have the basic DVD and Bluray versions, as they're usually pretty reliable for DT stuff. Might be worth contacting them and checking.
appreciate the advice all the same (and i will definitely call them, cheers), but i'm talking about the video format, not the region code. the links you gave me are for the ntsc version.
Sorry. I thought the only issue was playing it in an Australian player (ie. region 4). Aside from Budokan, I don't believe DT have ever released any of their concerts/videos in PAL format, and it's fairly rare for concerts in general to be released in PAL format, because they can't do the same conversion they do for regular movies.
Usually you get NTSC format, but region free so you can still play it.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on October 15, 2013, 12:13:38 AM
Sorry. I thought the only issue was playing it in an Australian player (ie. region 4). Aside from Budokan, I don't believe DT have ever released any of their concerts/videos in PAL format, and it's fairly rare for concerts in general to be released in PAL format, because they can't do the same conversion they do for regular movies.
Usually you get NTSC format, but region free so you can still play it.
gotcha. i was just reading up on it myself - apparently the concept of ntsc/pal/whatever doesn't even pertain to bluray. in that case, thanks a ton for the cheap find :D
Luna Park deluxe is now 98.98 on Amazon. yikes.
Quote from: Mindflux on October 15, 2013, 09:26:39 AM
Luna Park deluxe is now 98.98 on Amazon. yikes.
Yeah, I told people to preorder! *shakes fist wildly*
Haha, seriously though, this at least practically confirms that it truly is the one with the book.
Quote from: Shadow2222 on October 15, 2013, 09:36:02 AM
Quote from: Mindflux on October 15, 2013, 09:26:39 AM
Luna Park deluxe is now 98.98 on Amazon. yikes.
Yeah, I told people to preorder! *shakes fist wildly*
Haha, seriously though, this at least practically confirms that it truly is the one with the book.
I got mine in at 67 or whatever way back when. Hope Amazon honors that.
Quote from: Mindflux on October 15, 2013, 09:39:14 AM
Quote from: Shadow2222 on October 15, 2013, 09:36:02 AM
Quote from: Mindflux on October 15, 2013, 09:26:39 AM
Luna Park deluxe is now 98.98 on Amazon. yikes.
Yeah, I told people to preorder! *shakes fist wildly*
Haha, seriously though, this at least practically confirms that it truly is the one with the book.
I got mine in at 67 or whatever way back when. Hope Amazon honors that.
I'm sure they will.
98 dollars?? Its still £33 on amazon.co.uk ???
Quote from: Jinx on October 15, 2013, 10:02:44 AM
98 dollars?? Its still £33 on amazon.co.uk ???
I have a feeling that will change soon once Amazon UK realizes how much they should cost. This kind of pricing happens all the time with stuff that isn't hugely popular. I personally believe they start the prices low to gauge consumer interest, and then increase it as more and more people preorder it, and eventually bring it up to MSRP.
I have it preordered on Amazon UK as well, and although it says it is region locked, I have a feeling it is not. If I get any sort of confirmation that it truly is region free, I will be cancelling my Amazon USA preorder.
Quote from: Shadow2222 on October 15, 2013, 10:18:45 AM
Quote from: Jinx on October 15, 2013, 10:02:44 AM
98 dollars?? Its still £33 on amazon.co.uk ???
I have a feeling that will change soon once Amazon UK realizes how much they should cost. This kind of pricing happens all the time with stuff that isn't hugely popular. I personally believe they start the prices low to gauge consumer interest, and then increase it as more and more people preorder it, and eventually bring it up to MSRP.
I have it preordered on Amazon UK as well, and although it says it is region locked, I have a feeling it is not. If I get any sort of confirmation that it truly is region free, I will be cancelling my Amazon USA preorder.
If you find out can you PM me on that?I've got it ordered over there too.. so much cheaper. So weird.
^ I sure will! :)
My money should clear in the account today so I will be ordering the Deluxe Book Bundle. :tup
I believe I know the answer but just want to clarify...
I preordered a few weeks ago, if Amazon raises it before release I will still pay at the price I preordered, correct??
Quote from: Jinx on October 16, 2013, 06:09:29 AM
I believe I know the answer but just want to clarify...
I preordered a few weeks ago, if Amazon raises it before release I will still pay at the price I preordered, correct??
:lol I'm surprised how many people are so unfamiliar with Amazon here. Yes, unless we are talking a price increase of something like $100, Amazon will almost always only charge the price at the time of preorder. I have never ever had them change the price on an order of mine.
They are a fantastic company. I had preordered the Avengers boxset, and when it was initially delayed, they sent everyone a free Avengers Bluray. Just the other day, a game got delayed which I had a promo code applied to, and they allowed me to switch the promo code to another order.
Quote from: Mebert78 on October 12, 2013, 03:54:01 PM
Andpersonally, I dont need the dvd the day I comes out. I can wait an extra week or two to make sure im getting what I want. But yes, it would be nice if they would offer clearer descriptions on the product choices.
I agree. I'm going to need to see it the store with my own eyes to see what I'm getting.
Quote from: Shadow2222 on October 16, 2013, 07:57:40 AM
Quote from: Jinx on October 16, 2013, 06:09:29 AM
I believe I know the answer but just want to clarify...
I preordered a few weeks ago, if Amazon raises it before release I will still pay at the price I preordered, correct??
:lol I'm surprised how many people are so unfamiliar with Amazon here. Yes, unless we are talking a price increase of something like $100, Amazon will almost always only charge the price at the time of preorder. I have never ever had them change the price on an order of mine.
Cheers for the clear up. I just cannot work out the reason for such a huge gap in the price. ???
Also having read my post back I was actually asking for clarification and not clarifying myself :mehlin
Quote from: Nekov on October 08, 2013, 01:25:15 PM
Quote from: countoftuscany42 on October 08, 2013, 12:58:42 PM
is no one actually looking at the site the band is using to sell LALP? its pretty clear what all the options are.
https://www.myplaydirect.com/dream-theater/deluxe-blu-ray-3-cd/details/28909250 so yeah there is a bluray/cd set, and a dvd/cd set, and the book version, or just bluray or dvd on its own.
Depending on which country you are in they have different options. The US seems to have all of them while other countries have less. For example, here is Argentina we don't have the 2 DVD/ 3 CD option which is available for the US.
This is correct. I posted a comment on the official message board and received the following responses from DTMGMT:
"The audio is not limited to the Deluxe set. You can get the BD / CD set!"
and
"CLARIFICATION : The UK is not releasing all formats. In Europe the cd will only be available in the deluxe. But from https://www.myplaydirect.com/dream-theater you can order worldwide and get the configuration you want!"
I hope this helps.
Bluefish, Welcome to DTF and great avatar!!
Preordered the 2 DVD set. As I don't have any trust in Croatian CD shops anymore (delaying arrival of new releases, underrepresented metal albums) I was seeking a solution which would lead to a speedy delivery with cheap shipping costs. British Amazon it is. I can't directly preorder from DT, the German Amazon has two times greater shipping costs (which I can't understand as Germany is way closer to Croatia than the UK) and the DVD per se is a few euros higher priced. Anyway, looking forward to watching the DVD ASAP..... :metal
Just seen that the Amazon UK listing has changed now. Deluxe edition shows pic of just blu ray. US Import pic shows the book and its priced at £109.99. ???
I was going to get the Blu-ray/CD version, but decided it was too expensive, and just got the Blu-ray standard edition from Amazon.ca. Can't wait to see it! I also have a copy of Live at Bucharest coming my way.
This seems too good to be true but I ordered it anyway:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dream-Theater-Deluxe-Edition-Blu-ray/dp/B00EJJSUQE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1382047387&sr=8-2&keywords=dream+theater+luna
For some reason shipping to Canada was only about $6 so I dunno what to think other than I'm happy the whole thing is costing me <$60.
Quote from: PetFish on October 17, 2013, 03:04:02 PM
This seems too good to be true but I ordered it anyway:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dream-Theater-Deluxe-Edition-Blu-ray/dp/B00EJJSUQE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1382047387&sr=8-2&keywords=dream+theater+luna
For some reason shipping to Canada was only about $6 so I dunno what to think other than I'm happy the whole thing is costing me <$60.
I mentioned this earlier in the thread. The only problem is that if it is truly Region 2 and B, it will not work on a non-region free Bluray player, since, as far as I know, Canada is the same region as the United States, and we are Region 1 and A. I'm holding on to both Amazon US and UK preorders until I know for sure.
Well, shit, please let me know when you find out. All I know is that it says NTSC which, to me, means it works in North America.
Actually, it does say here:
Format: NTSC
Region: Region B/2 (Read more about DVD/Blu-ray formats.)
Number of discs: 6
Classification: Exempt
Studio: Eagle Vision HD
DVD Release Date: 4 Nov 2013
So I guess this *was* too good to be true and I'll have to cancel it. That sucks.
Quote from: PetFish on October 17, 2013, 04:25:46 PM
Well, shit, please let me know when you find out. All I know is that it says NTSC which, to me, means it works in North America.
Actually, it does say here:
Format: NTSC
Region: Region B/2 (Read more about DVD/Blu-ray formats.)
Number of discs: 6
Classification: Exempt
Studio: Eagle Vision HD
DVD Release Date: 4 Nov 2013
So I guess this *was* too good to be true and I'll have to cancel it. That sucks.
NTSC covers more than just North America. Region 2 covers parts of Europe and Asia among other areas.
I am going to order from Amazon.co.uk hoping I will get the book edition :-)
Finally pre-ordered the deluxe book bundle!
My Deluxe Bundle is on its way to me!!!!!! Just received the shipping notification.... :metal :metal :metal
Quote from: dream416 on October 30, 2013, 11:17:18 AM
My Deluxe Bundle is on its way to me!!!!!! Just received the shipping notification.... :metal :metal :metal
from amazon?
Quote from: dream416 on October 30, 2013, 11:17:18 AM
My Deluxe Bundle is on its way to me!!!!!! Just received the shipping notification.... :metal :metal :metal
Wow, that's fast! Awesome.
Quote from: chudm on October 30, 2013, 12:25:19 PM
Quote from: dream416 on October 30, 2013, 11:17:18 AM
My Deluxe Bundle is on its way to me!!!!!! Just received the shipping notification.... :metal :metal :metal
from amazon?
No from the MyPlay Direct. The store from DT'S site.
Mine would've shipped as well, but I lost my card and had to replace it, so the order didn't go through. I had to order again
I have a tracking number for mine! WOOHOO!
My expected delivery date is November 15th - 19th, which seems a bit late, but I've been told Amazon pre-orders often arrive around the release date anyway.
Hopefully mine will arrive tomorrow. Its "In Transit" towards my local depot
Quote from: Jinx on October 31, 2013, 02:02:05 PM
Hopefully mine will arrive tomorrow. Its "In Transit" towards my local depot
Mine still has to be dispatched by amazon.co.uk...
I may pick up my copy tomorrow :)
Quote from: wasteland on October 31, 2013, 02:25:07 PM
Quote from: Jinx on October 31, 2013, 02:02:05 PM
Hopefully mine will arrive tomorrow. Its "In Transit" towards my local depot
Mine still has to be dispatched by amazon.co.uk...
Strange. I pre-ordered the Deluxe edition book though. Not sure what you went for in the end or whether that would make any difference :\
Deluxe too... The one that was 33£, right?
Mines here! The 3CD 2DVD BR Edition with the picture book.
It looks very nice. Need to get some signatures on the blank pages though!
Is it time for a new LALP discussion thread? I'd start one but I have DT DVD to watch ;)
This is very strange. :|
Mine is set to be delivered next week.
The release date on the site of the place I buy stuff from is today, but they didn't have it in store today. I'll check again over the weekend, and if they don't get it in, then I'll just order it. It looks like it might not be as present in their store though given that it's not RR.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on November 01, 2013, 04:46:13 AM
The release date on the site of the place I buy stuff from is today, but they didn't have it in store today. I'll check again over the weekend, and if they don't get it in, then I'll just order it. It looks like it might not be as present in their store though given that it's not RR.
Fuck. There goes my excitement for the weekend. I notice on JB's site it doesn't have the option for pickup like all new releases do. Who knows when they will get it then. :tdwn
The site I ordered it from says the 8th so I'll have to wait another week.
Quote from: wolfking on November 01, 2013, 05:05:16 AM
Quote from: BlobVanDam on November 01, 2013, 04:46:13 AM
The release date on the site of the place I buy stuff from is today, but they didn't have it in store today. I'll check again over the weekend, and if they don't get it in, then I'll just order it. It looks like it might not be as present in their store though given that it's not RR.
Fuck. There goes my excitement for the weekend. I notice on JB's site it doesn't have the option for pickup like all new releases do. Who knows when they will get it then. :tdwn
Yeah, I noticed the "no pickup" thing, and it says it has to ship directly from the warehouse, which makes me wonder if it's something they're going to get in store. Hopefully it's just a matter of them not getting it in store yet. I'm going to check a couple of different JBs over the weekend though.
Let me know if you have any luck.
I guess cause it's not roadrunner. I'm going to visit a few JB's also tomorrow.
Yay it shipped, just got the Bluray 3cd.
So wait.. What happened to Nov 5 that was announced? People already have it now??
Quote from: TheAtliator on November 01, 2013, 09:29:49 AM
So wait.. What happened to Nov 5 that was announced? People already have it now??
Ahh, the joys of preordering.
Damnit I preordered Dream Theater AND Lifting Shadows, and just figured I'd get this one at the store since nothing was special about preordering the other two, and now this happens >:(
That's ok, now I know to preorder from now on. It wouldn't come before Nov 4 or 5 if I preordered now this late in the game, right?
(https://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a619/styxkyd/pdsv5_zpsd44c98da.jpg) (https://s1286.photobucket.com/user/styxkyd/media/pdsv5_zpsd44c98da.jpg.html)
Quote from: TheAtliator on November 01, 2013, 09:52:09 AM
Damnit I preordered Dream Theater AND Lifting Shadows, and just figured I'd get this one at the store since nothing was special about preordering the other two, and now this happens >:(
That's ok, now I know to preorder from now on. It wouldn't come before Nov 4 or 5 if I preordered now this late in the game, right?
I ordered yesterday from the dt store, and it shipped today. Maybe you can get it by then.
Just received the Deluxe Edition :metal
Wanted to download a pic but i can't get to work. But it is on my avatar now.
They did a great job on this....now to watch...... :tup
One thing bothers me about this DVD. Backing vocals. That's all I will say for now until more people have seen the DVD.
How is the audience volume level?
Quote from: John94 on November 01, 2013, 01:40:13 PM
One thing bothers me about this DVD. Backing vocals. That's all I will say for now until more people have seen the DVD.
I know exactly what you mean since I saw it in theaters. If it isn't just a mixing issue, they might as well just take JP's microphone stand away.
It is a shame too, as I quite like his backing vocals.
For those that have this already: I was told a long time ago that there might be sort of a dreamtheaterforums.org cameo of sorts in the video. Has anyone spotted it?
Has someone who saw the concert in the cinema already got his preorder?
I'm wondering whether the mix is the same. In the cinema the keyboard wasn't lust low, it was practically buried in the mix.
Why should it be a different mix?
In the cinema, the keyboards were so low that it could easily be a technical fault that was fixed for the BR release.
Quote from: me7 on November 02, 2013, 09:04:47 AM
In the cinema, the keyboards were so low that it could easily be a technical fault that was fixed for the BR release.
Given how late in the process it was shown in the cinema, I'd say that's very unlikely. I'd say what we got in the cinema is what we'll get on the BR/DVD. People have made the same criticisms of the Youtube clips too.
Personally, I found the keyboard mix to be just fine on the same video that others had issue with, so maybe it just depends on what you're listening to it on.
Blob, no luck for me at 2 JB's on the weekend. Looks like this will be an online order. I did find Flying Colors DVD at one of them though. :metal
I didn't get to checking in store this weekend, but I feel a bit better knowing that. I'll order it tonight and hopefully it should arrive this week some time.
edit: Just ordered it. I'll race you to see who gets it first. :P
You'll probably win. I'm gonna hold out another week and see if I have any luck next weekend. If not then I'll order.
Seriously doubting purchasing this. I had such high expectations but on the basis of what I've seen and heard so far, it all seems rather flat and lackluster to me.
Quote from: wolfking on November 03, 2013, 04:06:43 AM
You'll probably win. I'm gonna hold out another week and see if I have any luck next weekend. If not then I'll order.
I hope they do get it in store, for the sake of sales, and for the more casual fans browsing the store who might not be aware it's available. :-\
It only costs an extra buck to deliver it, so I'd rather not wait and see though.
Quote from: Cyclopssss on November 03, 2013, 04:06:58 AM
Seriously doubting purchasing this. I had such high expectations but on the basis of what I've seen and heard so far, it all seems rather flat and lackluster to me.
I still think it's well worth the price for a new DT live DVD, even if it's less than perfect.
Having rewatched the whole thing (on Blu Ray) I can say that I feel I went in with a chip on my shoulder in regards to the wait we had and the high expectations. There ARE a few hiccups as mentioned in another thread. But overall the performances are amazing. And Sir James LaBrie is on fire all night. Bring on February!!! :corn
I found a foreign language review on Amazon that claims the stereo mix to be better than the surround one:
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.de%2Freview%2FR2RQW2DERD87WU%2Fref%3Dcm_cr_dp_title%3Fie%3DUTF8%26ASIN%3DB00CIOGAX2%26channel%3Ddetail-glance%26nodeID%3D284266%26store%3Ddvd-de&sandbox=1
This alone doesn't mean much and I don't want to jump to conclusions just yet, but it would make sense to me. The PMU video released on yotube is in stereo and sounds really good. PMU wasn't part of the cinema concert so I can't compare it directly, but the songs that were shown didn't sound as good as the PMU clip and I assume that they used the surround mix.
I'd appreciate it if someone who owns it could compare the mixes and report back.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on November 03, 2013, 04:12:53 AM
Quote from: wolfking on November 03, 2013, 04:06:43 AM
You'll probably win. I'm gonna hold out another week and see if I have any luck next weekend. If not then I'll order.
I hope they do get it in store, for the sake of sales, and for the more casual fans browsing the store who might not be aware it's available. :-\
It only costs an extra buck to deliver it, so I'd rather not wait and see though.
Quote from: Cyclopssss on November 03, 2013, 04:06:58 AM
Seriously doubting purchasing this. I had such high expectations but on the basis of what I've seen and heard so far, it all seems rather flat and lackluster to me.
I still think it's well worth the price for a new DT live DVD, even if it's less than perfect.
There's no real reason not to stock it. DT12 got to number 12 on the aria charts (I think) so a DT DVD a month later would be great for sales.
Quote from: wolfking on November 03, 2013, 05:37:42 PM
There's no real reason not to stock it. DT12 got to number 12 on the aria charts (I think) so a DT DVD a month later would be great for sales.
Yep, usually JB are on the ball with DT stuff. Maybe the release date listed is just a little premature for the availability of stock, and you'll see it in abundance next time you check in store. Even with being a different publisher for this DVD, it's still DT.
When I went to buy Score here, it was playing on the big screen as you walk in, and they had a small rack for it. And that was before DT even signed with RR. And they had the shelves stocked with CiM the day before their announced release date.
So hopefully they'll have this just as present with a little more time. I've already ordered, so I'll just have to play the waiting game with mine.
Quote from: me7 on November 02, 2013, 06:37:27 AM
Has someone who saw the concert in the cinema already got his preorder?
I'm wondering whether the mix is the same. In the cinema the keyboard wasn't lust low, it was practically buried in the mix.
I haven't seen the theatrical version, but on the Blu-ray Disc the keyboards are indeed quite low in the mix (as is the bass, but that's just a realistic representation of DT live, right? ;D). I felt that it got better as the set went on, but there are some strange moments where the keys are taking the lead musically and the guitar is just playing some (however elaborate) backing figures, but the mix is putting the guitar way ahead of the keys (e.g., during Outcry). And The Dark Eternal Night almost sounds like a duo recording at times (all about guitar and drums).
So, I pre-ordered this from Amazon last Thursday (with two-day shipping), and despite being assured that it would get to me on the release day (which is tomorrow), it STILL has not shipped out yet. Anyone else having the same problem with Amazon?
Quote from: DTFan0789 on November 04, 2013, 05:00:23 PM
So, I pre-ordered this from Amazon last Thursday (with two-day shipping), and despite being assured that it would get to me on the release day (which is tomorrow), it STILL has not shipped out yet. Anyone else having the same problem with Amazon?
Yup...I preordered Bluray + 3cd version. The order status changed to "Pre-ordered" about a week ago and has not changed since.
Quote from: Tunnel Vision on November 04, 2013, 05:04:36 PM
Quote from: DTFan0789 on November 04, 2013, 05:00:23 PM
So, I pre-ordered this from Amazon last Thursday (with two-day shipping), and despite being assured that it would get to me on the release day (which is tomorrow), it STILL has not shipped out yet. Anyone else having the same problem with Amazon?
Yup...I preordered Bluray + 3cd version. The order status changed to "Pre-ordered" about a week ago and has not changed since.
Me too. Given that I PAID extra for this, there's gonna be a problem if it's not here in 24 hours.
Quote from: me7 on November 03, 2013, 05:19:06 AM
I found a foreign language review on Amazon that claims the stereo mix to be better than the surround one:
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.de%2Freview%2FR2RQW2DERD87WU%2Fref%3Dcm_cr_dp_title%3Fie%3DUTF8%26ASIN%3DB00CIOGAX2%26channel%3Ddetail-glance%26nodeID%3D284266%26store%3Ddvd-de&sandbox=1
This alone doesn't mean much and I don't want to jump to conclusions just yet, but it would make sense to me. The PMU video released on yotube is in stereo and sounds really good. PMU wasn't part of the cinema concert so I can't compare it directly, but the songs that were shown didn't sound as good as the PMU clip and I assume that they used the surround mix.
I'd appreciate it if someone who owns it could compare the mixes and report back.
honestly, I like concerts in stereo, anyway. Much more like a real concert than surround.
!!!SPOILERS!!!!!
I´ve got it!
I have listened to some tracks and watched the (way to short) documentary.
The mix is actually better than expected (but not great). I listened to the BluRay with high quality headphones, and i can hear the keyboards fine most of the time. The biggest problem is that overall the guitars are WAAAY to loud. The bass is actually the instrument that gets most lost in the mix. Im not too sure if i like JP´s guitar-tone on this release too much. The stereo-effect he uses takes too much space in the mix, and it´s painfully dominant.
There are some mixing issues here and there that should have been fixed up.
JLB´s breathing is very audible during the intro to Spirit carries on, and the guitars are very strangely balanced in that song.
Im very disappointed that i never actually hear the Taurus-synth that JM is playing a lot of the time, and the backing vocals are some times not audible.
The crowd is way to low in the mix. Like, during The Test That Stumped Them All, James goes: "The intro tape begins to roll" crowd goes "crickets". But you can definitely see the crowd go "YAAAAAAAY"!
The same goes for The Spirit Carries On. You can see the entire crowd singing their lungs out on the beginning, but you can barely hear them. That is a shame, and takes a lot of the live-energy out of the experience.
There are some good things about this release though:
The picture-quality looks great, and most of the time i am able to enjoy the concert despite the wierd balanced mix. The performances are stellar, and i don´t get those who feel like there is a "lack of energy" from the band itself. Everybody seems really energetic to me! Especially JP, JLB and MM.
James Labrie is on fire! Not as polished as on Score, but miles beyond Chaos in Motion. Great job!
MM is great! What a fun guy, and what a great player! Sometimes i kind of miss the MP-"feel" of songs, like on TSCO, but that is probably because im so used to hearing that song with MP.
The documentary, while too short, is kind of cool. It continues the "cheesy reality-show"-theme we´ve come to love :P
However, it shows how much fun the guys are having, and how much of an impact MM has had on the overall chemistry within the band.
JM seems very reserved during the dinner, but for all of you who have watched the Google+-chat, you should know that he was actually sick that day.
So yeah. A fun BluRay, but sadly the mix is dragging the overall quality down.
I rank the DVDs:
Score
Scenes from New York
Budokan
Tokyo
Luna Park
5 years in a livetime
Chaos in motion
Somebody got it?
Live in Oslo and none stores have published it >:(
Email I got from Amazon this morning:
Hello,
We're still trying to obtain the following item you ordered on October 31, 2013:
"Live at Luna Park [Blu-ray]"
Still want it? We'll keep on trying. To keep your order for this item open, please click the link below. Otherwise, we'll cancel your order on December 05, 2013, if we haven't located it by then.
Does anybody think that Wal-Mart might actually have the Blu-ray in stock?
SPOILERS!!!!
My DVD Arrived Friday 1.11. and finally I got to watch it ! ^_^
Overall it was pretty good, but there were some things I didn't like.
Good Things:
1. JBL sounds great
2. Jordan's keysolo was nice!
3. the quality of the footage was amazing!
Bad Things:
1. It looked too colourful.. I loved the "darkness" of Live at Budokan
2. Labries breathing on The Spirit Carries On.. Someone already mentioned that.
3. The Documentary was a joke. It felt more like a "review of a documentary" . All the segments were like 5 mins long and didn't go in-depth. I wanted to get to hear moar from Myung than those 2 sentences :P
Quote from: adastra on November 05, 2013, 07:59:28 AM
SPOILERS!!!!
My DVD Arrived Friday 1.11. and finally I got to watch it ! ^_^
Overall it was pretty good, but there were some things I didn't like.
Good Things:
1. JBL sounds great
2. Jordan's keysolo was nice!
3. the quality of the footage was amazing!
Bad Things:
1. It looked too colourful.. I loved the "darkness" of Live at Budokan
2. Labries breathing on The Spirit Carries On.. Someone already mentioned that.
3. The Documentary was a joke. It felt more like a "review of a documentary" . All the segments were like 5 mins long and didn't go in-depth. I wanted to get to hear moar from Myung than those 2 sentences :P
That bothered me too when I saw it in the theater. If they were going to overdub anything, that should have been one of the edits.
What are the actual special features?
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36531.msg1583496#msg1583496
QuoteLive At Luna Park contains the 160-minute main show accompanied by a wealth of bonus material.
OK, so we have a documentary, and...?
Look at the back cover
That's 160min + Bonus songs
Then..
Documentary
Trailer
Behind the scenes
Cartoon intro
:metal :metal :metal :happypanda:
So, the DVD was delayed due to the "wealth" of extras which, aside from the documentary and bonus songs, were actually all finished and available on youtube several months ago?
(Assuming "behind the scenes" is the series of youtube vids we got leading up to this)
WE HAVE AN HOUR AND 40 MINUTES OF BONUS MATERIAL TO ACCOMPANY AN OVER 3 HOUR SHOW AND PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING??!!
I wanted Action Figures
Quote from: TheAtliator on November 05, 2013, 08:27:08 AM
WE HAVE AN HOUR AND 40 MINUTES OF BONUS MATERIAL TO ACCOMPANY AN OVER 3 HOUR SHOW AND PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING??!!
Dude, :chill
1.) I'm not "people", I'm one person
2.) I'm not "complaining"
I'm just curious. If you remember, when the DVD was first delayed, there was a statement made that come release day, it would be "abundantly clear" why there was a need for a delay, due to a "wealth of extras" -- those aren't my words, that's what the press release said.
Anyway, almost every concert film I have has a 30-60 documentary. Plus the cartoon and the other footage was all already filmed already, with the rest of the show. Plus the trailer was also obviously done well in advance.
So, excuse me for asking, but while I'm sure the DVD's great - gonna buy it on my lunch break and watch it tonight - it's not really abundantly clear to me why there was a delay.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on November 05, 2013, 08:23:44 AM
(Assuming "behind the scenes" is the series of youtube vids we got leading up to this)
And what do you mean by this? What videos?
(I just read what I wrote below and it sounds like an absolutely hacked off fan hating his favourite band, but I honestly love them and just need to get it off my chest) :)
To be fair we were told about all those extras when it was coming out in May or there abouts, they did say it was delayed and they were going to floor us with extras and used the word 'wealth' and whatnot and I feel like this isn't it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all over this and will love it! But counting the trailer and the songs that were shot for the concert as extras is just padding it :) I would expect all the songs to be included, I admit that some bands might not do that. It's just not the 'omg wait and see guys, it'll be worth us not bringing it out in May, not communicating with you why we did that until June, then releasing it as expected anyway'. Okay that was a long fake quote.
Is it odd that it's not available digitally at all in the US though? They have links on the youtube video that go to the UK only iTunes store so you can buy the digital video. Weird that it's not for the US? And it's in Standard Def not High Def.
And you cannot buy the audio only/songs at all digitally. You *have* to buy a special edition.
Looking at the price for the Bluray only it's around $14 but the Bluray plus 3 CDs is $43 so it's essentially $30 for the concert on CD? It's a bit crazy. Most double and triple CDs these days are cheap and way less than $20 so it seems odd to see it that expensive. Hell a DVD and 3 CD pack is $48 on amazon. Seems a bit out of whack.
So I bought the bluray it'll be here any moment but I didn't foresee no digital access to the album at all. So I can't listen to the concert on my iphone unless I buy another copy of the bluray and CDs for $43? Are there options to buy CD only or songs only?
Thanks for reading my whining, that's all it is!
Quote from: TheAtliator on November 05, 2013, 08:27:08 AM
WE HAVE AN HOUR AND 40 MINUTES OF BONUS MATERIAL TO ACCOMPANY AN OVER 3 HOUR SHOW AND PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING??!!
(https://i.imgur.com/yuCyKwR.jpg)
Yet another unlistenable product. At least there's no clipping I guess.
Whoever mixed this understands that the keyboard button needs to not be on (m) when finalizing the mix, right?
Quote from: DTFan0789 on November 04, 2013, 05:00:23 PM
So, I pre-ordered this from Amazon last Thursday (with two-day shipping), and despite being assured that it would get to me on the release day (which is tomorrow), it STILL has not shipped out yet. Anyone else having the same problem with Amazon?
Mine didn't show as shipped until this morning, and it's out for delivery for today, so it could just be a delay on Amazon's site.
Quote from: morkie on November 05, 2013, 08:36:44 AM
(I just read what I wrote below and it sounds like an absolutely hacked off fan hating his favourite band, but I honestly love them and just need to get it off my chest) :)
Don't get me wrong, I'm all over this and will love it! But counting the trailer and the songs that were shot for the concert as extras is just padding it :) I would expect all the songs to be included, I admit that some bands might not do that. It's just not the 'omg wait and see guys, it'll be worth us not bringing it out in May, not communicating with you why we did that until June, then releasing it as expected anyway'. Okay that was a long fake quote.
Agreed. And I mean, I don't think it makes me less of a fan, just because I'm wondering why one particular product doesn't appear to be as advertised.
My deluxe edition should land today.
Given that UPS has it marked as 3 lbs, I 'm guessing it comes with the book even though Amazon's page didn't explicitly say so.
Edit: it's here book and all.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on November 05, 2013, 08:11:16 AM
What are the actual special features?
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36531.msg1583496#msg1583496
QuoteLive At Luna Park contains the 160-minute main show accompanied by a wealth of bonus material.
OK, so we have a documentary, and...?
Dont get too excited about the documentary. It was disappointing. :P
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Quote from: JayOctavarium on November 05, 2013, 08:30:18 AM
I wanted Action Figures
We already have the JR action figure. It's time for the MM action figure.
Wow, I have to say the varied opinions of this release, as a whole have me very curious. I plan to grab a copy of the DVD on my way home from work at my local Best Buy, can't wait to take it home tonight and see for myself what its like!
Quote from: adastra on November 05, 2013, 08:58:55 AM
Quote from: Perpetual Change on November 05, 2013, 08:11:16 AM
What are the actual special features?
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36531.msg1583496#msg1583496
QuoteLive At Luna Park contains the 160-minute main show accompanied by a wealth of bonus material.
OK, so we have a documentary, and...?
Dont get too excited about the documentary. It was disappointing. :P
What's the difference between the documentary and the "behind the scenes"?
Also, I can't imagine how the 60 minutes of documentary could be boring, unless it's more of the guys sitting around a room saying "we wanted to give the fans the best possible experience" for 60 minutes :P
I just want to clarify that IMO the DVD wasn't bad ! :D
It was nice Gig to watch but nothing special. I've returned many times to watch budokan and live scenes but propably not this one.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on November 05, 2013, 09:44:48 AM
What's the difference between the documentary and the "behind the scenes"?
Also, I can't imagine how the 60 minutes of documentary could be boring, unless it's more of the guys sitting around a room saying "we wanted to give the fans the best possible experience" for 60 minutes :P
what 60mins documentary?!!? it was more like 25-30mins.
Behind the scenes is a 5 mins clip of the guys who are recording the show or sumthing.
DISC2 running time is 68mins approx. (according to the DVD case) and it has the bonus songs , so there isnt enough time for 60mins documentary
Odd.
The Bluray box says 300 minutes, so I assumed...
Show: 120 mins
Bonus Songs: 60 minutes
Documentary: 60 Minutes
Behind the Scenes: 5 minutes
Outcry 360: 15 minutes
Cartoon intro + trailer: 5 minutes
That still leaves about 45 minutes of stuff unaccounted for... and over an hour's worth if the doc is really only 25-20 minutes :P
The main show is longer than 120 minutes. Each night of that leg of the tour was more like 160 minutes.
Just picked up the DVD at Best Buy for $6.41 - guy at the register gave me a $10 coupon of his own initiative. :yarr
Quote from: GasparXR on November 05, 2013, 10:04:14 AM
The main show is longer than 120 minutes. Each night of that leg of the tour was more like 160 minutes.
Yeah, when I saw it in theaters, they listed the run time as 2 hrs. 43 minutes, which perfectly lines up.
Disk one- 229 min
Disk two- 68 min
together-297 min (five hours minus 3 minutes)
main show- 160 min
extra songs- 35 min
behind the scenes- 5 min? (is this the OTE video that was just released on youtube?)
documentary- apparently only like 30 minutes?
Cartoon intro- 5 min
trailer- 2 min
that adds up to 237 which is 60 minutes short.. That must mean Outcry is 11.5 min times 5 angles... just under 60 min.
So I'll now admit, if thats the case, that's a little less than what I thought it would be, but still definitely jam packed and much more than most concert DVDs.
Quote from: TheAtliator on November 05, 2013, 10:19:00 AM
Disk one- 229 min
Disk two- 68 min
together-297 min (five hours minus 3 minutes)
main show- 160 min
extra songs- 35 min
behind the scenes- 5 min? (is this the OTE video that was just released on youtube?)
Trailer- apparently only like 30 minutes?
Cartoon intro- 5 min
trailer- 2 min
that adds up to 237 which is 60 minutes short.. That must mean Outcry is 11.5 min times 5 angles... just under 60 min.
So I'll now admit, if thats the case, that's a little less than what I thought it would be, but still definitely jam packed and much more than most concert DVDs.
More like 2mins 23secs
edit: Oh what lol ;D I guess u meant the documentary
woops typo, yes fixed.
You're missing the 360 degree Outcry thing.
Other than that, I wouldn't say it's really any more or less than the typical concert film. Most of the ones I own feature a documentary of sorts or behind the scenes footage, as well as extra music videos or bonus songs.
Regardless, the $15 I paid for the 4+ hour BluRay disc is still a great value, so I'm not complaining, but I am just curious as to why the release was delayed, since evidently there are not really any more extras than you'd get on most other concert films.
But yeah, For real.. The DVD backcover says that DISC ONE is 229 minutes, but the show is "Only" 2hours and 40mins and there isn't anything else there .. Unless it is hidden :huh: :huh: Or have I just missed sumthing
SOMEBODY TELL ME IF IM MISSING SOMETHING. THE LENGHTS DOESN'T ADD UP! :justjen
i didn't miss Outcry, look at the second to last line. It makes up for the 60 min if its every angle for the whole song :tup
Quote from: adastra on November 05, 2013, 10:31:11 AM
But yeah, For real.. The DVD backcover says that DISC ONE is 229 minutes, but the show is "Only" 2hours and 40mins and there isn't anything else there .. Unless it is hidden :huh: :huh: Or have I just missed sumthing
SOMEBODY TELL ME IF IM MISSING SOMETHING. THE LENGHTS DOESN'T ADD UP! :justjen
I don't know which features were put on which disk because I don't have mine yet, but if you look at my list, it does add up to 5 hours altogether.
When will it be uploaded on spotify, do you think?
Quote from: SeRoX on November 05, 2013, 10:35:25 AM
When will it be uploaded on spotify, do you think?
Not sure. It isn't Roadrunner, so I wouldn't assume that it's going to be up at all. However, I think PSMS is up on Spotify, and that's Eagle Rock too I think.
So apparently the single-disc Blu-ray is backordered on both Amazon and Best Buy. :-[
Quote from: DTFan0789 on November 05, 2013, 10:37:13 AM
So apparently the single-disc Blu-ray is backordered on both Amazon and Best Buy. :-[
Just got back from Best Buy, where they had at least a dozen on their shelves.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on November 05, 2013, 10:38:05 AM
Quote from: DTFan0789 on November 05, 2013, 10:37:13 AM
So apparently the single-disc Blu-ray is backordered on both Amazon and Best Buy. :-[
Just got back from Best Buy, where they had at least a dozen on their shelves.
Of the actual Blu-ray release? (No bundle, just single Blu-ray disc.)
Quote from: DTFan0789 on November 05, 2013, 10:40:21 AM
Quote from: Perpetual Change on November 05, 2013, 10:38:05 AM
Quote from: DTFan0789 on November 05, 2013, 10:37:13 AM
So apparently the single-disc Blu-ray is backordered on both Amazon and Best Buy. :-[
Just got back from Best Buy, where they had at least a dozen on their shelves.
Of the actual Blu-ray release? (No bundle, just single Blu-ray disc.)
Yup. They also had the DVDs, and the DVD + CD Bundles.
I'd call the closet store to you, and just ask them to hold on to one for you to come pick up.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on November 05, 2013, 10:45:05 AM
Quote from: DTFan0789 on November 05, 2013, 10:40:21 AM
Quote from: Perpetual Change on November 05, 2013, 10:38:05 AM
Quote from: DTFan0789 on November 05, 2013, 10:37:13 AM
So apparently the single-disc Blu-ray is backordered on both Amazon and Best Buy. :-[
Just got back from Best Buy, where they had at least a dozen on their shelves.
Of the actual Blu-ray release? (No bundle, just single Blu-ray disc.)
Yup. They also had the DVDs, and the DVD + CD Bundles.
I'd call the closet store to you, and just ask them to hold on to one for you to come pick up.
Yeah my local Best Buy stores appear to have the Blue-ray single disc and the DVD (2 disc) options in stock. But for some reason the Best Buy website says the Blu-ray is back-ordered... I would definitely call your local store and put one on hold.
It's back-ordered for online orders, probably.
The stores should all have copies. I checked their website this morning and every store in my area had copies available for pickup.
Yea I saw the back order from best buy online but if you select to do a store pick up it is available. I cancelled my Amazon preorder because it didn't even ship yet. I'll pick it up at my local best buy instead on my way home from work.
We also have to take into account that book package that could have been the reason for the delay.
Could be. Although stores have it. I have both the deluxe and the BR/CD versions on hold at a store here in town until I can go pick it up. I am not buying both, but I want to take a look at both before deciding. As far as I can tell, the deluxe gives you all 3 media formats (BR/DVD/CD), and the only additional content that you get with it is:
1. The ability to view the 3D 6:00 app., and
2. The book
If that is the only difference, I will probably just go with the BR/CD version. The 6:00 app. is cool and all, but I'd probably mess with it for 20 minutes or so, and then never look at it again. The book looks amazing. But it basically adds another $55 to the price. Do I need to spend $95 mainly just for a book, when I can get the main part of the set (video and audio) for $40? Nope. But, again, the book does look amazing. For those who haven't seen it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFd7C0SX56k
Quote from: bosk1 on November 05, 2013, 11:34:15 AM
Could be. Although stores have it. I have both the deluxe and the BR/CD versions on hold at a store here in town until I can go pick it up. I am not buying both, but I want to take a look at both before deciding. As far as I can tell, the deluxe gives you all 3 media formats (BR/DVD/CD), and the only additional content that you get with it is:
1. The ability to view the 3D 6:00 app., and
2. The book
If that is the only difference, I will probably just go with the BR/CD version. The 6:00 app. is cool and all, but I'd probably mess with it for 20 minutes or so, and then never look at it again. The book looks amazing. But it basically adds another $55 to the price. Do I need to spend $95 mainly just for a book, when I can get the main part of the set (video and audio) for $40? Nope. But, again, the book does look amazing. For those who haven't seen it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFd7C0SX56k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFd7C0SX56k)
That's the exact thought process that led me to choose the BR+CD option, as well.
Based on the reasoning brought forth in this thread it seems the BOOK is the reason for: "Just wait and see - you'll understand the delay when you see how cool the release is gonna be".
Furthermore: a lot of the posts here unfortunately makes me a bit ancious regarding the expected awesomeness of the concert film. I am looking forward to receiving my Deluxe version via Amazon UK (it has been shipped) and judge it for myself.
The book does look nice.
Having skimmed through the booklet with the Bluray, I can confirm that almost half of those photos are in the booklet, too, just obviously a lot smaller.
Darn me losing my card or else I wouldve gotten it today.
Listening to it now. Gotta say, I didn't really pay attention to anything before the release, but I think this may be my favorite set list of all their live releases. A little bit of (almost) everything, and a lot of them are my favorite songs from each album. And Wait For Sleep right next to Far From Heaven? I love it.
I do hate to say that the documentary is truly disappointing in terms of length. The first five minutes (out of a whopping 26 minutes) is a recap that completely reuses footage from The Spirit Carries On drummer documentary.
The rest of the footage is nice, but where's the length? As disappointing as CiM might be in terms of footage and audio, the bonus features are extensive. I love the show itself, but the overall package is a tad underwhelming, especially after the lengthy delay.
Ok I have to say that James is great on almost all of the songs, i'm very impressed with his performance! :metal
He sounds amazing on Bridges in the Sky (that's because I'm just beginning to listen to the whole thing)
Wow. You guys aren't joking about the documentary. It's not awful, but it's not really great either. Especially the long drummer audition recap.
Here's one major things DT are missing without Portnoy...
A director!
MP was a great director. The Systematic Chaos bonus disc was so great (almost redeemed the album), and so were all the behind the scenes videos MP had a hand in. Man, MP was such a great documentor, and you always kind felt like you were in the room with the band watching his videos.
The OTE stuff looks a lot more professional, but it's also a lot less candid. With OTE, I always feel like it's semi scripted.
Oh well... I guess DT are what they are now, and aren't gonna ever be able to replicate or completely replace MP.
Watching the Blu Ray now, up to LNF, and Im liking it a lot. Ive been doing chores while leaving it on so I haven't fully digested, but the performance sees to be very awesome. I don't have any problems with the sound but im watching in stereo through my TV.
Absolutely loving James' performance on this Blu-ray. Anybody else think there's something off about the vocals on The Silent Man and especially Beneath The Surface, though? Sounds like there is something wrong with the microphone during the softer parts, it sounds kind of windy/distorted.
Just picked it up at Best Buy. Looking forward to it :corn
Quote from: Perpetual Change on November 05, 2013, 03:47:52 PM
Wow. You guys aren't joking about the documentary. It's not awful, but it's not really great either. Especially the long drummer audition recap.
Here's one major things DT are missing without Portnoy...
A director!
MP was a great director. The Systematic Chaos bonus disc was so great (almost redeemed the album), and so were all the behind the scenes videos MP had a hand in. Man, MP was such a great documentor, and you always kind felt like you were in the room with the band watching his videos.
The OTE stuff looks a lot more professional, but it's also a lot less candid. With OTE, I always feel like it's semi scripted.
Oh well... I guess DT are what they are now, and aren't gonna ever be able to replicate or completely replace MP.
I hear you. MP really knew what the fans wanted to hear/see and did his best at that. That said, I have no problem with having OTE produce their videos from now on. They are amazing at what they do.
And for the documentary thing...I haven't had time to watch that yet, but we'll always have Riding the train of thought. :heart
Completely forgot this came out. Maybe I'll pick it up tomorrow.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on November 03, 2013, 08:13:37 PM
Quote from: wolfking on November 03, 2013, 05:37:42 PM
There's no real reason not to stock it. DT12 got to number 12 on the aria charts (I think) so a DT DVD a month later would be great for sales.
Yep, usually JB are on the ball with DT stuff. Maybe the release date listed is just a little premature for the availability of stock, and you'll see it in abundance next time you check in store. Even with being a different publisher for this DVD, it's still DT.
When I went to buy Score here, it was playing on the big screen as you walk in, and they had a small rack for it. And that was before DT even signed with RR. And they had the shelves stocked with CiM the day before their announced release date.
So hopefully they'll have this just as present with a little more time. I've already ordered, so I'll just have to play the waiting game with mine.
That's cool. I got those on the release date too. Hopefully this weekend it will be there.
Okay, the cool slipcase they got around this 4/5-disc set really makes me wish other sets like it had a nice slipcase too (like Transatlantic's More Never Is Enough for example.)
Quote from: Perpetual Change on November 05, 2013, 03:47:52 PM
Wow. You guys aren't joking about the documentary. It's not awful, but it's not really great either. Especially the long drummer audition recap.
Here's one major things DT are missing without Portnoy...
A director!
MP was a great director. The Systematic Chaos bonus disc was so great (almost redeemed the album), and so were all the behind the scenes videos MP had a hand in. Man, MP was such a great documentor, and you always kind felt like you were in the room with the band watching his videos.
The OTE stuff looks a lot more professional, but it's also a lot less candid. With OTE, I always feel like it's semi scripted.
Oh well... I guess DT are what they are now, and aren't gonna ever be able to replicate or completely replace MP.
On the other hand, we didn't get another release that made the singer sound incompetent. Personally, I buy these things to actually see and hear the performance, and special features are just icing on the cake.
Quote from: ZirconBlue on November 05, 2013, 05:33:57 PM
On the other hand, we didn't get another release that made the singer sound incompetent.
Thank god we didn't have MP around to make JLB sing badly.
Sounds like the bonus features on this release aren't too thrilling. For the price of the basic edition, I'm more than content just to have a good new live DT show, so I have no complaints.
I would have loved to hear a commentary with the new band. Maybe next time! :biggrin:
Ok looks like all those numbers I did earlier only applies for the Blu-ray. Apparently, with the DVD you don't get Outcry multi-angle, and so you have an hour less of footage. Now I'm really pissed about that because with two DVD's they could have easily fit it, and they also put out a picture of the back cover with time lengths that are not true to the actual release.
The instagram picture said:
disk one- 229
disk two- 69
but now I have it and it's really:
disk one- 160
disk two- 71
Of course it's still gonna be great and I'll enjoy it, but I'm really disappointed about missing out on a really great special feature, especially when it TOTALLY could have fit, and all this time leading up I thought I was getting a 5-hour double DVD.
And I still think some of the fans' criticisms are ridiculous.
I find that bonus feature times are always inflated on DVDs (and BRs). They'll say 3 hours of bonus footage, then you find that they're counting the commentary track as 2 hours of that etc.
Luckily I didn't buy my copy of LALP based on bonus features.
I've been trying to find some info on this, and for whatever reason it's been difficult to find.
What's the difference between the Blu-ray set with the CDs, and the SuperMegaUltraEnergyPowah Box set? I know it has the DVDs, which are kinda pointless to me (unless they have some content on them that the Blu-rays don't). So what else? A glass, was it? A book?
Quote from: RandalGraves on November 05, 2013, 07:03:00 PM
I've been trying to find some info on this, and for whatever reason it's been difficult to find.
What's the difference between the Blu-ray set with the CDs, and the SuperMegaUltraEnergyPowah Box set? I know it has the DVDs, which are kinda pointless to me (unless they have some content on them that the Blu-rays don't). So what else? A glass, was it? A book?
I have no idea where the "pint glasses" thing came from. The deluxe has the huge hardcover book as the case for the whole set, contains all 3 media formats (BR/DVD/CD), and has the 6:00 multi-angle/3D gizmo.
Now that I saw some things at Best Buy, I'm pretty sure I can answer your question.
-2 DVD- 230min total which is the 3:15 concert plus all the bonus features except Outcry (so about 35 min of extras) ($15-$20)
-Blu ray- just under 300min which is the 3:15 concert plus all the bonus features including Outcry (so about 1:40 of extras) ($15-$20)
-either one of those^ plus 3 CD of the 3:15 concert. (2DVD+3CD or BR+3CD). Comes in a small box, but is not "the box set". (about $45-$50 total)
-The box set is BR+2DVD+3CD AND a big huge book of pictures AND a 360 Mativision thing of 6:00. (about $100 total)
book shown here- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFd7C0SX56k
mativision thing here- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6ExrdvNg2k
-also a few of these can also come with a pint glass and/or poster for some extra money (whole thing is over $100)
Finished the main feature. Here's a quick scattershot review:
I really liked it.
Performances were solid, all around. I didn't like the 5.1 sound, but I changed my system and the audio to the LPCM Stereo, and liked it waaaay better, so maybe I just don't have my 5.1 system set up right. Anyway, on stereo, I could hear everything clearly. Bass and drums were especially prominent, so I was pleasantly surprised.
Anyway... James sounds great, as do the rest of the band. He talks more and for the most part what he says is really insightful.
John's pretend singing is hilarious. I'm glad they pipe in James' harmonies, though, as it gives the vocals a much fuller sound.
JR also has some great moments.
Mangini's solo spot was tremendous. Probably the most musical drum solo I ever heard.
JP's... I dunno. I feel like I was missing something with his solo spot. It didn't sound very cohesive...
Also, what's up with this crowd? You can't here them barely at all. Odd. I wonder if there was some issues picking them up on the mics?
Speaking of, something's wrong with James' mic during the quiet parts. It sounds distorted. Kinda annoying but it only effects a two or three songs, and only for part of them.
Anyway, the slots nicely between Score, Budokan, and LSFNY in terms of the great DT DVDs. Kinda wish they would have done some BC&SL songs instead of some of the others we've gotten before, but overall I can't complain too much. Also... yup, 6:00 just is not a great live song, unfortunately. Kinda weird how that works.
I'm gonna go through more of the bonus features and extras tomorrow - though I know there isn't really a "wealth" of them, lol ;)
Thanks for the quick responses, guys! That 6:00 feature I have almost no interest in. So I guess the extra $50 would be spent on some DVD copies (to have DVD back-ups comes in handy sometimes) and a nice book. Hmmmm, meditate on this, I will.
I got the deluxe package that I got for $63 bucks due to amazon screwing up the pricing or whatever happened. Very happy with it though totally not worth $109 bucks if you ask me.
With that said, the documentary is disappointing (although there were several hilarious moments)
But, what really matters is the performances and damn it all, they are fucking on fire!
The setlist (along with the bonus tracks) are near perfect (should have replaced the two SDOIT songs with the The Great Debate)
I think the setlist is much better than Budakon or Score. Also glad I got the CDs with it and a damn shame they didn't release a similar package to CoM because people should have these CDs in their rotation.
I ended up driving the half-hour to my nearest Best Buy to pick up the Blu-ray, considering that it is "Out of Stock" on Amazon. I watched the first half of the show tonight, and I'm happy to report that the audio sounds MUCH better than when I saw it in theaters (JP's guitar overpowered everything at the movies). I think I like JLB's vocals on this even more so than Score (which is saying a lot).
I just tried every combination of audio settings on my system to find what I wanted. I found on mine, the DTS surround on the DVD but just played through 5 speaker stereo on my surround sound system sounds best in that room. Also the bass speaker turned up all the way. Still the keyboards aren't loud enough, but not too terribly bad, and the sound isn't bad either. I think it's just a matter of everyone getting the right settings on their systems for the DVD to sound good.
I ended up watching the entire concert and the bonus songs last night. I loved it! The ADTOE songs were really awesome. I kind of wished they threw in the bonus songs as part of the whole show. BMUBMD has the best crowd response and really would have fit better on the main set IMO. I'm glad we got it though. The band performance overall was great. I have no issues with the nix or sound either. JP is definitely the loudest but you can still hear everything fine.
I got the box set yesterday. I didn't get a chance to watch it though, so I'll do that tonight. I might even pour myself a beer in my new pint glass while watching the show. :D
Picked up my DVD from Best Buy last night, didn't get a chance to watch it unfortunately, but maybe tonight I'll have some time to sit down and soak it all in!!
I'm in the middle of my first watch. I just finished the drum solo. I AM ENTERTAINED, MIKE. :hefdaddy
Okay that's a lot of DT I just watched :) I love it, it does not let me down with the performance.
Honestly I could pick some holes in the audio but it's not nearly as bad as I thought it might be. There are moments and certainly Johns guitar is LOUD but I'm overall super happy.
Call me dumb but where do I access the 360 camera stuff? I remember seeing demos of those cameras and what they can do, but I didn't find any options on my Bluray for them at all. They had those things all over the stage for the entire show (Sometimes they were in the way of shots, annoyingly. Or blocking view of the guitar fretboard, as a guitarist thats blasphemy).
So someone make me feel stupid, where do I access these 360 control-it-yourself camera views they shot?
I second the 360 request. My PC cannot reproduce BR and I was mildly disappointed with the picture quality of the DVD (but it's not the DVD's fault, it's just that over the years I had gotten used to watching movies and TV series in HD quality, and going back to the standard wasn't easy - first world problems).
Nitpicking:
- The intro of Metropolis was waaay too hushed. I get that it was an intro tape, but why wasn't it equalized to the rest of the song as it has always been?
- The Jam in Metropolis sounded exceptionally weird to me. But again, this is just my fault. As some of you know, I downloaded the audience video of Metropolis before it was pulled down, and pretty much wathced that little improvisation section for one whole year. The audio quality wasn't the best, and looks like I filled a few audio wholes the wrong way, which is why the actual version sounded strange.
- I too would have enjoyed the crowd mixed louder, and the keyboard a bit more upfront. But as PC said somewhere, I could probably attain a sound closer to my wishes tweaking the equalizer :D
Pro:
- MIKE MANGINI DRUM SOLO. I've always been a sort of hater of drum solos, the classic guy who would always gain the men's room during them, metaphorically. But this one left me stunned and absolutely glued to the screen for all the 5-6 minutes it lasted. What an amazing performance, vastly superior to any other drum solo I have ever heard him play, including the one I witnessed in person. GREAT JOB.
- JAMES. Gosh, James, you own this one. Bravissimo.
- The Setlist. It's no surprise, but the Aug 19 performance showcased the best setlist of the tour, something that can't be said of the two previous live DVDs (neither Score nor Budokan featured the best selection of songs that were on rotation, that's a fairly accepted statement).
- The Photography: really well done and cinematic. Maybe on a few spots they could have stayed on a band member a little longer, but they managed to deliver a very dynamic shooting without making me carsick and without missing any of the key moments. Great job!
- The minor adjustments: it's no secred that DT has tweaked the sound of pretty much all past live releases, with the only exception of OIALT (for sure), and Budokan (probably). Not that this is a bad thing, in fact, I'm all for it! If I want to enjoy the rawness and the little mistakes I just grab one of the bootlegs everyone can get on the net. This release makes no exception: a few details were clearly altered for the better or little mistakes concealed thanks to the clever choice of filming both nights. One example: the first night James's voice faltered on the climatic note of TSCO, while no trace of it can be found on the DVD. Clearly they must have used the corresponding sound stream from the second night, which was perfectly fine. Also, I feel that a bit more consistency was given to James vocals on a few selected critical spots, especially towards the end of the set, again basing myself on the audience shots that I've been able to see. Of course I'm not positive about this for the obvious reason that an audience recording (let's say it, a phone video), doesn't sound good enough to make perfect sense of all the nuances in James's performance. Still, it doesn't matter to me, I'm okay with whatever was done to optimize the already excellent performance.
- Yes, EXCELLENT PERFORMANCE. The strong point of the release. The band is tight, faithful to the studio version of the album but carefully including all the extra bits that had been developing since the start of the tour. An example: the new ending of TROAE wasn't omitted (thank Bosk) and instead played in its definitive shape (you can trace its growth from the original idea to what appeared on the DVD watching a few videos on youtube). The same can be said about the solos. PC said somewhere that he felt the Guitar Solo to be a little disconnected. He's right, but that's because the three distinct sections were introduced in the three 2012 legs leading up to Luna Park, European, Asian and American. The Luna Park performance added up the three of them, too bad John didn't bring over the cowboy hat he used to wear on the solo on previous shows!
To sum up this point, the band played effectively, focused and loose at the same time. You can see 5 people concentrated in order to play at their best, but at the same time enjoying their time on stage as every artist should. Example? The funny JLB-JP sketch in Surrounded, or the cool JP-JM-MM interplay throughout the night, or again the JR extravaganza on TDEN.
So, I have written too much already. Nothing of this post was planned, I just threw a few things on paper as they came to me.
Overall, on my first watch I can say I really enjoyed this release a lot. I still have to watch the documentary as well as the extras, but I wanted to write something about the main performance only, as I've seen too many post about the satellites and too few about the planet. ;)
I still have to get used to the sound, to watch it in Blu Ray quality and to familiarize with the performances. As of now, I can say that I like this live release above all the others because of all the strenghts I listed and despite the minor complaints I opened my post with. Of this I am very happy and grateful.
"Sorry for the short set post" [cit.]
Listening to Breaking All Illusions on stereo is really weird as the keyboard parts are so quiet at some parts. I think one of the highlights of that track is the keyboard accompaniment along the guitar parts. I'm going to listen in 5.1 later but on stereo the keys sound way too low at times.
The performance is typical DT which is jaw dropping almost every single time. More thoughts as I watch the entire thing.
Quote from: wasteland on November 06, 2013, 10:37:50 AMAn example: the new ending of TROAE wasn't omitted (thank Bosk)...
I'd like to think I may have influenced that, but I can't take credit. I have no idea whether John kept my comments to him in mind, or if they did it for some other reason.
Quote from: wasteland on November 06, 2013, 10:37:50 AM
- The Setlist. It's no surprise, but the Aug 19 performance showcased the best setlist of the tour, something that can't be said of the two previous live DVDs (neither Score nor Budokan featured the best selection of songs that were on rotation, that's a fairly accepted statement).
can you elaborate on this? I haven't studied their set lists enough to know this to be an accepted statement :blush
^I missed that. I'm not sure I agree with the assessment of the Score and L@B set lists. I don't remember anything in rotation on the TOT tour that I would have preferred in the set list to things that were included, other than ACOS having been in rotation on the U.S. legs. But there's nothing I would have taken out of the L@B set to make room for it, other than Hollow Years, but that was a set staple, so that wasn't going to happen.
As for Score, yes, there were a few stronger song selections on the tour. But what locked them in on that set was the curfew and the decision to play SDOIT with orchestra. Including SDOIT was a great move, and is one that justified the resulting ripple effect on other parts of the set. So all in all, given the format they were working with, I think we got the best set we possibly could have gotten.
Quote from: bosk1 on November 06, 2013, 11:55:33 AM
^I missed that. I'm not sure I agree with the assessment of the Score and L@B set lists. I don't remember anything in rotation on the TOT tour that I would have preferred in the set list to things that were included, other than ACOS having been in rotation on the U.S. legs. But there's nothing I would have taken out of the L@B set to make room for it, other than Hollow Years, but that was a set staple, so that wasn't going to happen.
As for Score, yes, there were a few stronger song selections on the tour. But what locked them in on that set was the curfew and the decision to play SDOIT with orchestra. Including SDOIT was a great move, and is one that justified the resulting ripple effect on other parts of the set. So all in all, given the format they were working with, I think we got the best set we possibly could have gotten.
Clearly those are just my opinions, but so far I've heard many sharing them. I would have had any of those (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/dates/tourography/?show=742 / https://www.mikeportnoy.com/dates/tourography/?show=749) over Budokan. And as for Score, I'm in line with your opinions, except that I'm not really glad they went for the whole SDOIT, but that was something that had to be done sooner or later.
Sounds like I'll be sitting this one out. It drives me nuckin' futs when the keyboards are mixed lower than everything else. Yeah yeah, I get it; everybody wants to hear the guitar and the keyboards don't mean shit, but when the music is specifically written and arranged for them to be "equals" and some numbnuts still decides it's fine if the guitar is twice as loud as everything else, it's just frustrating. Who needs keyboards, or bass or drums for that matter? Rock is all about the guitar.
Sure, if I listen really closely, I can hear the keyboards sometimes. After five or ten minutes, I'm just frustrated and annoyed and would rather not even subject myself to it. Bummer, too, 'cause I was looking forward to some live Mangini. Maybe next time. How long until the next live disc comes out?
I have to chime in and say that this was much improved from an audio perspective from the theater showing. I listened to it in stereo, and the keyboards and bass were much better in the mix. James also sounds terrific, which is something that I didn't feel while watching it in the theater due to the sound.
I'm extremely happy with the actual concert portion (except for JP's "backing vocals." Just get rid of the microphone, since it is extremely obvious you are lip syncing :lol).
Quote from: Orbert on November 06, 2013, 12:17:52 PM
Sounds like I'll be sitting this one out. It drives me nuckin' futs when the keyboards are mixed lower than everything else.
The couple of times I have seen this mentioned, I have no idea where it is coming from. I can hear the keyboard just find throughout the entire show.
So I finally got the blu ray today. I put it in and with my normal settings it was all bass and drums, however with a small tweek to my settings through my system, i.e lowering the bass and upping the treble it came out perfect. I can hear the keyboards, as well as everything else just fine. Maybe the mix is so raw that we have to manipulate it a bit. Im sure at this point the band realizes that its fanbase is very anal about mixing and production they just left it up to us. I found my perfect mix. do the same.
Quote from: Orbert on November 06, 2013, 12:17:52 PM
Sounds like I'll be sitting this one out. It drives me nuckin' futs when the keyboards are mixed lower than everything else. Yeah yeah, I get it; everybody wants to hear the guitar and the keyboards don't mean shit, but when the music is specifically written and arranged for them to be "equals" and some numbnuts still decides it's fine if the guitar is twice as loud as everything else, it's just frustrating. Who needs keyboards, or bass or drums for that matter? Rock is all about the guitar.
Sure, if I listen really closely, I can hear the keyboards sometimes. After five or ten minutes, I'm just frustrated and annoyed and would rather not even subject myself to it. Bummer, too, 'cause I was looking forward to some live Mangini. Maybe next time. How long until the next live disc comes out?
I'm probably one of the biggest keyboard fans around; for more than half a decade I refused to listen to any kind of music which didn't have real tonewheel Hammond organ in it (probably that's why it took me that long to get into DT), so I definitely share some of your sentiments. When I popped in the DVD, I was instantly immensely disappointed because I couldn't hear Jordan's organ part at the beginning (2:13 in the studio version, a few seconds later in LP version). I commenced cursing the big bad loud greedy guitar. But then, redemption, the organ solo @8:30 was a lot heavier and more energetic than the studio version (thus it even
felt louder), and it instantly made me prefer this version over the ADTOE one. So, yeah, the mix could be better, but LALP has a lot of redeeming qualities and overall, I can hear Jordan just fine, especially where it counts. Just don't listen to LALP and ADTOE back to back, it makes the burying of the keys sound criminal.
Man, the whole performance of Metropolis by JLB. :eek
This man is a monster, after all these years and injures.
I'll listen others but this. :metal
Holy shit, that Metropolis jam. :hefdaddy Jordan.
Also, that weird clicking sound still accompanies the kick drum at the beginning of LNF, just like in the studio version. What is that?
Another thing, you can hear sympathetic snare buzz all the way through when Mike hits some of his toms. I actually like that.
Quote from: ZirconBlue on November 06, 2013, 12:29:25 PM
Quote from: Orbert on November 06, 2013, 12:17:52 PMHow long until the next live disc comes out?
Soon.
:clap:
Cool. I'll wait.
Quote from: bosk1 on November 06, 2013, 12:57:22 PM
Quote from: Orbert on November 06, 2013, 12:17:52 PM
Sounds like I'll be sitting this one out. It drives me nuckin' futs when the keyboards are mixed lower than everything else.
The couple of times I have seen this mentioned, I have no idea where it is coming from. I can hear the keyboard just find throughout the entire show.
I know different people perceive things differently, but so far a number of people have complained about the mix, even specifically pointing out the keys and bass a few times. This to me carries more weight than "everything is fine".
Quote from: mabowe on November 06, 2013, 01:12:27 PM
Maybe the mix is so raw that we have to manipulate it a bit. Im sure at this point the band realizes that its fanbase is very anal about mixing and production they just left it up to us. I found my perfect mix. do the same.
But that's not the mix, that's the EQ. Sure, I can mess with my EQ and trim off some high end (effectively dampening the drums and some of the guitar) or bump up the midrange (mostly keys but also some guitar), but what I can't do is change the relative mix of the individual instruments. And really, we shouldn't have to do that at all. I have a bunch of concert vids, and for almost every one of them, I put the disc in, hit Play, and I'm good. We shouldn't have to mess around on our side to get things to sound decent, and there's only so much you can do anyway.
Quote from: Sycsa on November 06, 2013, 01:22:25 PM
I'm probably one of the biggest keyboard fans around; for more than half a decade I refused to listen to any kind of music which didn't have real tonewheel Hammond organ in it (probably that's why it took me that long to get into DT), so I definitely share some of your sentiments. When I popped in the DVD, I was instantly immensely disappointed because I couldn't hear Jordan's organ part at the beginning (2:13 in the studio version, a few seconds later in LP version). I commenced cursing the big bad loud greedy guitar. But then, redemption, the organ solo @8:30 was a lot heavier and more energetic than the studio version (thus it even felt louder), and it instantly made me prefer this version over the ADTOE one. So, yeah, the mix could be better, but LALP has a lot of redeeming qualities and overall, I can hear Jordan just fine, especially where it counts. Just don't listen to LALP and ADTOE back to back, it makes the burying of the keys sound criminal.
It sounds like things aren't horrible, and even okay a lot of the time, but overall still kinda bad.
I understand that a live performance will generally not sound pristine and perfectly mixed like the studio album. In fact, I wouldn't want it to be. But taking the feed directly from the soundboard and mixing it grants almost the same degree of control over what ultimately comes out of the speakers, at least as far as the mix goes. If they just set up some microphones in the audience and recorded what came over the P.A. and the mix sucks, we're shit out of luck. But they're feeding every channel individually, even "fixing things" in the studio. If any given instrument is too loud or too soft, that was a conscious choice by someone.
Maybe they wanted the mix to represent how it really sounded. Guitars are always up to 11 live.
Quote from: Orbert on November 06, 2013, 12:17:52 PM
Sounds like I'll be sitting this one out. It drives me nuckin' futs when the keyboards are mixed lower than everything else. Yeah yeah, I get it; everybody wants to hear the guitar and the keyboards don't mean shit, but when the music is specifically written and arranged for them to be "equals" and some numbnuts still decides it's fine if the guitar is twice as loud as everything else, it's just frustrating. Who needs keyboards, or bass or drums for that matter? Rock is all about the guitar.
Sure, if I listen really closely, I can hear the keyboards sometimes. After five or ten minutes, I'm just frustrated and annoyed and would rather not even subject myself to it. Bummer, too, 'cause I was looking forward to some live Mangini. Maybe next time. How long until the next live disc comes out?
Why don't you just not get too upset about it and just enjoy the new dvd
Did anyone else notice that the closing music for the doc was IT
Quote from: Sycsa on November 06, 2013, 01:55:57 PM
Holy shit, that Metropolis jam. :hefdaddy Jordan.
Also, that weird clicking sound still accompanies the kick drum at the beginning of LNF, just like in the studio version. What is that?
Another thing, you can hear sympathetic snare buzz all the way through when Mike hits some of his toms. I actually like that.
The clicking in LNF I believe is part of JR's patch. Don't quote me, but I remember back in the ADTOE cycle people were confirming it. Personally I'm not a fan of it, I find that it clashes with the bass drum and it sounds flappy.
By the way, I haven't watched it yet, I still need to wait for it to come in. According to Amazon.ca it doesn't release until the 11th. Travesty! >:(
I've digested it, finally. Thoughts:
1) The mix. I can get the complaints of the mix, the drums sound very thin and tiny compared to some of the MP-era live recordings (I instantly compared TROAE from Score and TROAE from Luna Park and the difference in sheer power was enormous). The guitars are super loud and the vocals are compressed to hell (hence the loud breathing sounds and loud vocals overall even in quiet songs like The Silent Man or Beneath the Surface), but I don't think it's terrible. It's quite a step up from CIM in every sense of the word, but the sound production could have been better (I'm shielding myself from "IF IT CAN BE BETTER THEN DO IT YOURSELF NEVER ENOUGH" comments). I'm really beginning to have my doubts about Rich Chycki; I don't doubt the guy's talent but his work with Dream Theater, so far, has not been as *amazing* as JP insists it is. That being said, it's OK. I can still enjoy the concert (and it was one hell of a show).
2) The image is wonderful, OTE did a fantastic job with the video editing. I missed some highlights throughout (like Mangini's crazy drum part at the end of Bridges in the Sky), but overall it was great.
3) James LaBrie. This was even better than Score, because it sounded more natural. In Score, his vocals sounded perfect to the point that they felt super polished...I mean, he didn't miss a note. I'm sure he sounded fantastic that night and that there was some standard pitch correction applied (it's no myth that pitch correction is used in 85% of today's recordings), but it was way too perfect. This time around, I can hear the sheer power coming out from his voice. He was the reason this wasn't a let down from me, and that this DVD is getting repeated listens by me. Bravo, James.
4) Extras. Before receiving some "OMG 3 HOURS OF CONSERT AND YOU COMPLAIN? EVERTING IS NEVER ENOUGH LIKE THE SONG DT PLS INDONESIA SOON MP DURM GOD", I do agree that their "the reason why this delayed will be quite clear for everyone" feels a little short. Score was released 4 months after the actual concert and packed far more extras. The documentary is cool and everything, but it did leave me with a feeling of..."is this everything?".
5) The performance. Amazing. I can't say enough good things about the band right now and their power live, it's a shame the DVD's mix didn't do it justice.
...All in all, an enjoyable DVD. Not the best by Dream Theater's high live standards, but a proud addition to my concert collection.
I'm starting to get weary of the "their standards" term. Their standards are the actual product. Its YOUR standards their standards didn't fulfill.
I haven't seen it yet, but from the two vids we got, my one complaint that really negates the point of recording where they did is the audience level. If its like the New York Ytsejam release of Take The Time, where during the chorus its silent during "Take the Time"...
Other than if you have complaints, voice them to their label.
There might have been a problem picking up the crowd's noise, I think. It's speculation, I know, but having it this distant and low may not have been a deliberate choice but rather a forced necessity.
Quote from: wasteland on November 06, 2013, 03:47:05 PM
There might have been a problem picking up the crowd's noise, I think. It's speculation, I know, but having it this distant and low may not have been a deliberate choice but rather a forced necessity.
Yeah I'm guessing that's the problem. But how if you have the guitar vocal mic, unless it was a prop.
I agree with a lot that DarkLord_Lalinc said, the performances are amazing. I'm going to try out different sound systems but I never had to play around with music settings. The keys are weirdly inconsistent through out. In Breaking All Illusions it's plainly obvious it peaks and goes back in the background when listening to the stereo mix. Only reason I bring it up is because of how obvious the keys are in the studio version that you expect to hear them in the live version as well.
Anyways, that aside I really do like the disc, could've been better but isn't perfect. LAB and Score will forever be my fav DT video releases.
Another minor nitpick, how hard is it to design a creative menu for the Bluray? I mean its so easy to do it nowadays, if you compare it with Steven Wilson's EP Drive home, Steven has a very simple yet fitting menu to navigate through. Heck I just remembered the DVD of the DT12 5.1 doesnt even have a menu.
Quote from: olliemedsy on November 06, 2013, 02:47:06 PM
Quote from: Orbert on November 06, 2013, 12:17:52 PM
Sounds like I'll be sitting this one out. It drives me nuckin' futs when the keyboards are mixed lower than everything else. Yeah yeah, I get it; everybody wants to hear the guitar and the keyboards don't mean shit, but when the music is specifically written and arranged for them to be "equals" and some numbnuts still decides it's fine if the guitar is twice as loud as everything else, it's just frustrating. Who needs keyboards, or bass or drums for that matter? Rock is all about the guitar.
Sure, if I listen really closely, I can hear the keyboards sometimes. After five or ten minutes, I'm just frustrated and annoyed and would rather not even subject myself to it. Bummer, too, 'cause I was looking forward to some live Mangini. Maybe next time. How long until the next live disc comes out?
Why don't you just not get too upset about it and just enjoy the new dvd
I'm not upset, just disappointed to know that it's another concert vid I won't be buying. If I'd spent my money on it, I would be upset, but this is why I wait for reviews. Now I know not to buy it.
As for enjoying the new DVD, that wouldn't happen whether I bought it or not, so at least I've saved some money.
Quote from: Orbert on November 06, 2013, 03:57:52 PM
Quote from: olliemedsy on November 06, 2013, 02:47:06 PM
Quote from: Orbert on November 06, 2013, 12:17:52 PM
Sounds like I'll be sitting this one out. It drives me nuckin' futs when the keyboards are mixed lower than everything else. Yeah yeah, I get it; everybody wants to hear the guitar and the keyboards don't mean shit, but when the music is specifically written and arranged for them to be "equals" and some numbnuts still decides it's fine if the guitar is twice as loud as everything else, it's just frustrating. Who needs keyboards, or bass or drums for that matter? Rock is all about the guitar.
Sure, if I listen really closely, I can hear the keyboards sometimes. After five or ten minutes, I'm just frustrated and annoyed and would rather not even subject myself to it. Bummer, too, 'cause I was looking forward to some live Mangini. Maybe next time. How long until the next live disc comes out?
Why don't you just not get too upset about it and just enjoy the new dvd
I'm not upset, just disappointed to know that it's another concert vid I won't be buying. If I'd spent my money on it, I would be upset, but this is why I wait for reviews. Now I know not to buy it.
As for enjoying the new DVD, that wouldn't happen whether I bought it or not, so at least I've saved some money.
But then your letting people dictate what might end up being the best concert you bought.
No, I'm making an informed decision on whether or not to buy it, based on the likelihood of enjoying it or not.
Holy fuck, why is this even a discussion? I said I wasn't going to buy it, and explained why. Okay, it was a rant, but people are giving me shit about it?
Some people say the mix is fine, but most are at least saying it's not great, and others say it's just plain bad. No one is saying that the mix is actually good, and based on that, I'm not buying it. It's really that simple.
Quote from: Ben_Jamin on November 06, 2013, 03:44:11 PM
I'm starting to get weary of the "their standards" term. Their standards are the actual product. Its YOUR standards their standards didn't fulfill.
Easy, friend. By their standards, I mean that the sound quality of their live products was usually superb (Budokan and Score). It's only natural for fans to compare recent output with past output. People compare everything, and of course music is not an exception. It's fair to be critical of music every once in a while, as it's fair to be critical with films, with literature and other kinds of art. I do not agree entirely with your "their standards are the actual product", and that's because the band has a 25+ years worth of material and live released that form a general consensus and opinion of how do they usually sound in recordings. "Dream Theater usually sounds amazing in their live released" is something backed up, normally, by people who have checked out Live at the Marquee, Once in a LIVEtime, Live Scenes from New York, Live at Budokan, Score and some official bootlegs (notice how I left Chaos in Motion? That one's a big plot twist!). And when something comes out that doesn't live up to that reputation, it's going to get criticized naturally.
And, did I mention in my post I did enjoy the DVD? It just happens to rank lower than Score and Budokan it terms of sound quality. That's all.
I think visually the blu-ray looks wonderful. The instruments sound as great as I remembered from the two nights I experienced the US tour. As I've said many times before I'm sure, the band sounds much tighter, and far more precise with MM in the rhythm department. He's an elite musician and drummer and has elevated the band musically.
I only wish they didn't cut away to the videos on the screens as much as they do.
Overall I think it was very good. Not as good as "Score" but better than "Budokan" The Blue ray is chock full of music that's for sure. My first gripe, and it's probably my fault, but I can't get it on the DTS master audio setting, it will only stay on stereo. I'm pretty sure my receiver has DTS, I'm 100% positive my last one did. My Denon is about 4 years old, I was able to find a decent surround sound setting for my 5.1, but I feel like I might be missing out on something.
First view thoughts.....
James...James...and James. He is awesome in this performance. I would say his best on a DVD release by far. A Couple critiques.... on the acoustic parts, it seems like there should be some type of diffuser or something that makes his vocals not as "Breathy" (for lack of a better word). I'm not a professional musician... so I don't know what could have been done, but I think there's probably something. Maybe it's just technique or the mix? I did find his oration a lil tedious at times though... he was super chatty :lol
JP's backing vocals. In the past I've never been able to hear JP, and on some songs on this one I still can't. That being said, he sounds great on Silent Man and fucking rocks on These Walls :metal
The Cameramen need to get out of the way (or be edited out better) Every time it seems they showed the gopro angle across JR's keys..the camaraman was dicking around at the other end. Yeah... I realize you'll always have some in a multiple camera shoot...but this seemed excessive too me.
MM's cymbal and hi-hat work is just fantastic. While thin in the mix compared to past DVD's with MP...his cymbal and hi-hat work sounds awesome. Super distinct and crisp.
JM, sitting alone behind the curtain for the half hour before the show starts?... I did not know that. Interesting.
I don't know why it's so hard to balance the keys and guitars equally? I assume...it's because, they want it that way. It just seems like it would sound so much better to me. Again..I'm no pro so WTF do I know... :lol
Quote from: Orbert on November 06, 2013, 04:09:05 PMHoly fuck, why is this even a discussion? I said I wasn't going to buy it, and explained why. Okay, it was a rant, but people are giving me shit about it?
Probably because your explanation makes no sense in that, as explained, it is based on complete misinformation. Hey, if you don't want to buy it, that's cool. But to not buy it because a couple of people said they can't hear the keyboard, when in reality the keyboards are very audible throughout the entire thing, just seems silly, and people aren't afraid to say so. So there you have it.
Nobody has commented yet about what we do find out from the (less than stellar documentary), and that is why John Myung doesn't gather with the other four right before the concert (and the answer is not, "He just doesn't want to" as we were previously told).
Oh, and we also get to discover what they prefer for their main course at a restaurant.
*****Spoiler******
They all choose meat
Quote from: bosk1 on November 06, 2013, 04:28:13 PM
Quote from: Orbert on November 06, 2013, 04:09:05 PMHoly fuck, why is this even a discussion? I said I wasn't going to buy it, and explained why. Okay, it was a rant, but people are giving me shit about it?
Probably because your explanation makes no sense in that, as explained, it is based on complete misinformation. Hey, if you don't want to buy it, that's cool. But to not buy it because a couple of people said they can't hear the keyboard, when in reality the keyboards are very audible throughout the entire thing, just seems silly, and people aren't afraid to say so. So there you have it.
After the initial reactions to the theater screenings, I expected much-much worse in terms of keyboards audibility. Don't forget the two YouTube releases though, which give a fairly good idea about the mix. Hearing LALP once, the only songs where I was
really bothered by the low keys were These Walls and BAI. But it's still a problem that plagues this release to a certain degree.
Quote from: Sycsa on November 06, 2013, 04:36:53 PMHearing LALP once, the only songs where I was really bothered by the low keys were These Walls and BAI. But it's still a problem that plagues this release to a certain degree.
I agree, the keys in those 2 tracks are really bothersome by the fact that they're so buried. All other tracks the keys seem fine.
Quote from: Sycsa on November 06, 2013, 04:36:53 PMDon't forget the two YouTube releases though, which give a fairly good idea about the mix.
I hear you, but I disagree that those give you a good idea of the mix. JP was very clear that, for whatever reason, the default audio settings do not seem to be the optimal settings for a lot of people, and that it will sound a lot better if you go in and change the settings. The YouTube videos do not have the best sound settings and are not a good reflection at all for how the Blu Ray sounded when I played it at home last night (or how the CDs sound, for that matter). Again, with the proper settings, you can hear the keyboards just fine in almost every spot (at least, as far as I noticed when listening--I did not listen to the entire thing from start to finish with a focus on whether I could hear keyboards all the way through). Are there sections where the keys are overpowered by the guitar? Sure. Are there parts where Jordan's patch blends with the bass or guitar and makes the keys hard to distinguish? Sure. But that has always been the case with DT's music. It isn't a fault of this live release--at least, on the majority of songs.
But I'm not trying to pursuade anyone here. We all here things differently, and if some are bothered by the mix, that's cool. I'm just saying that the more broad statement of "keyboards are inaudible" is not correct.
Mr. Bosk, which settings are you using?
I haven't played around with the different settings. But on my system, the default settings seem to sound great. I'll mess around a bit more when I have the chance and let you know whether a different setting sounds better.
Quote from: Madman Shepherd on November 06, 2013, 04:34:11 PM
Nobody has commented yet about what we do find out from the (less than stellar documentary), and that is why John Myung doesn't gather with the other four right before the concert (and the answer is not, "He just doesn't want to" as we were previously told).
Oh, and we also get to discover what they prefer for their main course at a restaurant.
*****Spoiler******
They all choose meat
Well I certainly learned that Mr. Rudess straightens his beard
Cool to see this from the genie...
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Well I finally got to hear the rest of the album version since I don't have an optimal setup for the bluray and I have nothing new to offer in terms of opinions but I do want to reiterate how bothersome the mic distortion is from the breathy singing. It is a pretty big letdown they wouldnt fix that. BTS and TSCO are the worst. Thankfully Surrounded and Silent Man aren't that affected.
Other than that, the performances are nothing short of amazing and I am constantly blown away by James. With the exceptions of the very highest notes which he hits with more of a scream/screech (which I actually prefer to the pitch perfect way) he is singing better than he ever has and it is very hard to put into words hearing it myself. I mean, hes been through hell with his voice, hes been trashed by fans (and even a former member), but he is proving them all wrong as hell. For someone like me that has loved his voice through thick and thin, I also take a little pride in knowing that I was right in thinking that nobody can sing DT songs like James. I can't even imagine it.
So yeah, the other criticism is valid though. Keyboards are a bit low in spots but not in all songs. Crowd noise is underwhelming. I also wish they recorded MM's drums like MP's (aka in your face) but none of those are enough to take away a truly great DVD/bluRay/CD/album. In fact, this is without a doubt my favorite DT live album with the undisputed best setlist (when you add in the bonus songs). :metal
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on November 06, 2013, 03:16:55 PM
I'm sure he sounded fantastic that night and that there was some standard pitch correction applied (it's no myth that pitch correction is used in 85% of today's recordings), but it was way too perfect. This time around, I can hear the sheer power coming out from his voice. He was the reason this wasn't a let down from me, and that this DVD is getting repeated listens by me. Bravo, James.
You're being very generous. It's more like 99%. :lol
From the two tracks I've heard so far, I didn't hear any telltale signs of pitch correction at all, so if it was used, it was used very lightly, because I haven't heard any indication of it.
Based on what I've heard so far, I agree completely that JLB is a high point of this release. He sounds raw, and live, and he lets loose, but still sounds on pitch, and overall controlled. It's a great balance. I love hearing the growl, and the wide vibrato, which Score didn't have as much of.
If it weren't for JLB, I could have mistaken OTBOA for the studio version very easily, so he's definitely what I'm most excited to hear.
Speaking of which, my copy finally shipped today. Yay! I'll probably get it next week some time. :(
Got this yesterday and watched it last night - I've read some of the comments on here over the last few days and was expecting this to be a lot worse than it was.
This is a hell of a performance. Outcry and Metropolis are particular standouts. The band are on fire, and it serves as a testament to the power of this band - there are moments of sheer jaw-dropping awesomeness here. Fantastic.
Any negatives are relatively minor, with the exception of the "breathing" issues during JLB's quiet bits - I assumed they were turning his mic up for these bits? It's distracting, inexcuseable, and my only real complaint (I'm surprised they didn't overdub).
There's some colour bleeding on the visuals - it looks like the main cameras are film, while the on-stage cameras are video - but it sort of adds to the live experience, so I don't mind.
The mix is fine, I don't know what people are complaining about. The keys and bass are perfectly audible (perhaps you need to get your hearing checked? Or a better system?) and the drums are admittedly a little low, but not enough that it's a problem. Slightly more irritating is the low crowd noise - but then people complain when the crowd is too loud, so I guess its six of one. The extras are disappointing, but I bought it for the concert, not the extras, so who cares?
So all in all a fantastic DVD of a fantstic show by a fantastic band. Is it perfect? No, but very few things in life are. Stop complaining and enjoy it. 11 out of 10.
Quote from: The Curious Orange on November 07, 2013, 02:47:27 AM
Got this yesterday and watched it last night - I've read some of the comments on here over the last few days and was expecting this to be a lot worse than it was.
This is a hell of a performance. Outcry and Metropolis are particular standouts. The band are on fire, and it serves as a testament to the power of this band - there are moments of sheer jaw-dropping awesomeness here. Fantastic.
Any negatives are relatively minor, with the exception of the "breathing" issues during JLB's quiet bits - I assumed they were turning his mic up for these bits? It's distracting, inexcuseable, and my only real complaint (I'm surprised they didn't overdub).
There's some colour bleeding on the visuals - it looks like the main cameras are film, while the on-stage cameras are video - but it sort of adds to the live experience, so I don't mind.
The mix is fine, I don't know what people are complaining about. The keys and bass are perfectly audible (perhaps you need to get your hearing checked? Or a better system?) and the drums are admittedly a little low, but not enough that it's a problem. Slightly more irritating is the low crowd noise - but then people complain when the crowd is too loud, so I guess its six of one. The extras are disappointing, but I bought it for the concert, not the extras, so I don't care.
So all in all a fantastic DVD of a fantstic show by a fantastic band. Is it perfect? No, but very few things in life are. Stop complaining and enjoy it. 11 out of 10.
FTFY
A lot of people mentioned about how the delay made them expect more extras. I figured the reason for the delay was so they could show it in theatres before it was released?
Quote from: GasparXR on November 07, 2013, 03:14:58 AM
A lot of people mentioned about how the delay made them expect more extras. I figured the reason for the delay was so they could show it in theatres before it was released?
I'm pretty sure that I read somewhere that "It will be worth the wait cos it will be packed with amazing extras" .
But I'm not 100% sure . I've propably imagined that :laugh:
Quote from: GasparXR on November 07, 2013, 03:14:58 AM
A lot of people mentioned about how the delay made them expect more extras. I figured the reason for the delay was so they could show it in theatres before it was released?
Check the thread, here: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36531.0
People were expecting a lot of extras, because a statement released by the band said the reason for the release date delay was going to be "abundantly clear" come November, citing a "wealth of extras".
At the same time, there was a rumor going around that something was wrong with the sound, based on a blog here: https://destroyerofharmony.wordpress.com/2013/05/27/dream-theater-why-the-silence-on-the-live-at-luna-park-dvd-release/#comments
The blog post itself is of little value, however Rena Petrucci (or someone posting as her) left a comment indicating sound issues:
QuoteRENA PETRUCCI (AKA YOKO) says:
It will be out before Christmas. Ha ha ha I'm gonna get in big trouble. (Delays due to sound quality issues) and there would be no sound if John left.
My take: Since there is no "wealth of extras", I have to default to Rena's comment about there having been sound issues. After watching the Bluray, I can confirm that it's a very good product, despite a few issues here and there with syncing, James' mic, and the silent crowd. Also, JP confirmed in Google Hangout that there were some issues with lighting, which made the band have to carry sound over from performances of one night to another night in some cases... anyway, my best guess is, there were some issues with sound, so rather than rushing an inferior product out the door before DT12 marketing kicked into gear, the band decided to give themselves time to resolve these issues by pushing the due date back 'til November 5.
I still find it hard to believe that it takes DT a YEAR to release a live dvd, where bands like Transatlantic or Flying Colours only take 3 or 4 months to deliver the product.
Are you sure 'wealth of extras' didn't include the theatre showings which later came as a surprise? :D
Quote from: wasteland on November 06, 2013, 10:37:50 AM
"Sorry for the short set post" [cit.]
Hey I was at that show. ;D
Quote from: Cyclopssss on November 07, 2013, 04:37:52 AM
I still find it hard to believe that it takes DT a YEAR to release a live dvd, where bands like Transatlantic or Flying Colours only take 3 or 4 months to deliver the product.
Well, those are usually "Official Bootleg" quality-ish. Not really on the same level of this. Plus, you have to take into account that the thing was probably ready months earlier, but had to be shelved as to not interfere with the DT12 release.
Anyone know if the itunes version will be available in the US? The link here says it's not for sale in the US
https://www.dreamtheater.net/news/enjoy-backs-angels-live-luna-park-62406
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Quote from: Cyclopssss on November 07, 2013, 04:37:52 AM
I still find it hard to believe that it takes DT a YEAR to release a live dvd, where bands like Transatlantic or Flying Colours only take 3 or 4 months to deliver the product.
Well, those are usually "Official Bootleg" quality-ish. Not really on the same level of this. Plus, you have to take into account that the thing was probably ready months earlier, but had to be shelved as to not interfere with the DT12 release.
Plus some people forget to take into consideration that if it came out in 3-4 months, they would be complaining that it was rushed and could have put more time into it.
The new Nightwish and epics DVDs are coming out faster than DTs as well but I get the feeling that LaLP will be the best in terms of quality and length.
Mangini does some entertaining stuff
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Quote from: faizoff on November 07, 2013, 06:04:05 AM
Mangini does some entertaining stuff
*snip*
:lol What song?
It's Build Me Up, Break Me Down during the break after the 2nd chorus.
I picked this up at my local record store today. Having watched it one time, I can definitely say I'm entertained. The guys are giving their all and the setlist in my opinion works fantastically. Even the mix seems to be good, I certainly expected less after the Pull Me Under Youtube clip. I can hear the keyboard well enough. Extra points to James for sounding so raw and live yet controlled. Mangini's solo spot was one of the highlights for me. Still need to watch the bonus material.
Honestly, I half wish we could just get a stationery overhead cam on Mangini the entire show. :lol
Quote from: bosk1 on November 07, 2013, 08:19:38 AM
Honestly, I half wish we could just get a stationery overhead cam on Mangini the entire show. :lol
Yeah, the shots from the cams connected to the kit frame were in full earthquake/shake mode. It seemed hard for them to get really clean shots of him, maybe it's because of the closed cage design off the kit? Compared to MP's more open kit designs. Loved to watch him play though.
Quote from: faizoff on November 07, 2013, 06:04:05 AM
Mangini does some entertaining stuff
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And the best part of this clip is...he's doing it with JM!!!!
Yea there's a funny face JM makes some other time that I'll make a gif out of once I get home.
The crying girl was shown a couple times during TSCO solo. I was about to get teary eyed as well, that solo... :hefdaddy
Watched an hour or so of it last night. Hmm. Not digging the direction at all- it's too close up, they zoom away from the soloist just as it's building to a climax and I just feel disconnected from it really. I think I prefer seeing it from the point of view of being in the crowd rather than on stage as that seems to be what they are aiming for.
And I think it might just be a side effect of HD too as the picture is just too clean. I haven't seen a concert Blu Ray yet that I've liked.
Music and performance wise it's great, though it really is the JP show soundwise. The Cap'n sounds in fine voice, MM is entertaining to watch.
I also find it weird when the band is wearing jackets.Its like they haven't decided if they're staying or not :biggrin:
Quote from: gibbs1245 on November 07, 2013, 09:21:20 AM
The crying girl was shown a couple times during TSCO solo. I was about to get teary eyed as well, that solo... :hefdaddy
I love that girl!
I get chills with that song every single time. It's one of those songs, I feel, that the whole world should know.
Quote from: Prog Snob on November 07, 2013, 10:29:06 AM
Quote from: gibbs1245 on November 07, 2013, 09:21:20 AM
The crying girl was shown a couple times during TSCO solo. I was about to get teary eyed as well, that solo... :hefdaddy
I love that girl!
I get chills with that song every single time. It's one of those songs, I feel, that the whole world should know.
It was cool the first time. Then every time after that, all I could think of was that meme "Got the facts...Forgot to thank OTE". :facepalm: :laugh:
Quote from: Cyclopssss on November 07, 2013, 04:37:52 AM
I still find it hard to believe that it takes DT a YEAR to release a live dvd, where bands like Transatlantic or Flying Colours only take 3 or 4 months to deliver the product.
Pfff, one year. Alter Bridge's Live From Amsterdam was not really released in stores until early 2011 (although, I believe it was on sale at Amazon around 2009) and that concert was in December 2008. The reason it was delayed, though, was due to record label issues (what else is new?).
Anywho, I'm watching this right now. So far so good in the early going. I, too, am also amused with LaBrie and Rudess sporting jackets in the early going.
My only gripe, only at Bridges in the Sky so far, is either when LaBrie says "Sing this with me" and I can't hear the crowd that much or it looks like JP is singing backup, but I can't hear it as well. Doesn't seem like too much of a gripe, but this is kinda matter for a live show DVD.
Edit: Loving 6:00, right now.
Just watched some of this on YouTube. The funky ass jam right after the Metropolis instrumental break is so awesome.
-J
Okay, I ran through a bit of the Blu-ray on my home system tonight and my initial thoughts are as follows:
-Surrounded is easily one of the 5-10 best songs the band has ever done. I never rank it that high, but I probably should; it is that good.
-The crowd looked way too bored more often than not. Where was that enthusiastic crowd we usually get from down there? ???
-It is blatantly obvious why the band continues to play The Spirit Carries On, The Dark Eternal Night and War Inside My Head/The Test That Stumped Them All: all of them are great live songs and total crowd pleasers.
-Early on, I can see what some mean about the keyboards being too low in the mix. I definitely had to strain to hear them at times. I mean, sure, you could hear them, but the guitar was so loud, it nearly overpowered a lead keyboard part quite often.
-JLB definitely sounds very good (based on what I watched).
-As much as I liked A Dramatic Turn of Events, I still got the most enjoyment out of the oldest songs, including A Fortune in Lies and 6:00. The ADTOE songs sounded really good, but there is just something magical about those songs from their earliest recording years.
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Quote from: Cyclopssss on November 07, 2013, 04:37:52 AM
I still find it hard to believe that it takes DT a YEAR to release a live dvd, where bands like Transatlantic or Flying Colours only take 3 or 4 months to deliver the product.
My only gripe, only at Bridges in the Sky so far, is either when LaBrie says "Sing this with me" and I can't hear the crowd that much or it looks like JP is singing backup, but I can't hear it as well. Doesn't seem like too much of a gripe, but this is kinda matter for a live show DVD.
Ha, yeah...I agree. I mean, I appreciate James trying to get the crowd involved but I'm like, dude...I'd rather just hear you. If I'm not mistaken, he does this every time before that part. His amazing performance allows me to forgive him.
Quote from: KevShmev on November 07, 2013, 09:56:25 PM
Okay, I ran through a bit of the Blu-ray on my home system tonight and my initial thoughts are as follows:
-Surrounded is easily one of the 5-10 best songs the band has ever done. I never rank it that high, but I probably should; it is that good.
-The crowd looked way too bored more often than not. Where was that enthusiastic crowd we usually get from down there? ???
-It is blatantly obvious why the band continues to play The Spirit Carries On, The Dark Eternal Night and War Inside My Head/The Test That Stumped Them All: all of them are great live songs and total crowd pleasers.
-Early on, I can see what some mean about the keyboards being too low in the mix. I definitely had to strain to hear them at times. I mean, sure, you could hear them, but the guitar was so loud, it nearly overpowered a lead keyboard part quite often.
-JLB definitely sounds very good (based on what I watched).
-As much as I liked A Dramatic Turn of Events, I still got the most enjoyment out of the oldest songs, including A Fortune in Lies and 6:00. The ADTOE songs sounded really good, but there is just something magical about those songs from their earliest recording years.
A Fortune In Lies was such a pleasant surprise. Though for an even greater pleasure would have been To Live Forever. But I think that's already been on two live DVDs so I can understand why they didn't choose it.
I completely agree with your statements regarding TSCO, TDEN and WIMH/TTTSTA.
I was able to sit down last night and start watching the first part of the main concert, I didn't get through the whole thing, but I was able to watch up to the drum solo.
Here are a couple of thoughts, only having watched those first 6 or so songs....
1. JLB sounds very, very good here. Is he playing around with the melody lines and phrasing things differently here and there? Yep! But I for one, like when vocalists do that live, so it doesn't detract from his performance to me. Can't wait to listen to him sing the rest of the songs, he sounds that good!
2. The mix isn't great, but it isn't that bad either.... I was just listening on my MacBook with headphones in (so the audio setting was just stereo) and I generally enjoyed the mix. That being said I'm a guitar player so the fact that the guitar was certainly up front in the mix was cool with me most of the time. I will say that JR is a little low in the mix, but I could hear JM fine and MM sounded pretty good too! In just watching the first few songs, the instance that the slightly low keys mix hit me was during the Root of All Evil. I'm so used to hearing the Score version, that hearing the song played with this mix made the lower key volume more noticeable to me. Like I said though, the mix isn't bad for my ears, but if I was to nitpick, I'd turn JR up a bit and maybe MM's kick drums in a few sections as well.
3. MM is killing it!! Love this guy and I didn't even get to watch the drum solo yet, I stopped watching right before it. Can't wait to watch that, this guy is a crazy good drummer. Watching him play some of the ADTOE songs makes me appreciate his parts on that album so much more, which is what I was hoping would happen. Being able to more clearly here some of the work he is doing on those tracks, along with being able to visually see it, really brings the parts to life!
4. A few weird things. During one of JP's solos, I think it was LNF you can clearly see that it looks like they edited together footage from both nights of him playing and put them together. One camera angle shows him playing with his foot up on his stand and then they would switch to a different camera and he was magically standing with both legs on the ground playing the solo, etc, etc... Its a minor thing, but I noticed it on my first watch of the song. And the backing vocals thing with JP I'm still trying to figure out as well... Sometimes he is faking singing and its pre-recording JLB backing, and other times he is singing but they mixed it super, super low. Seems a little odd to me, sure JP isn't a great singer, but with a little pitch correction help, I'm sure they would have sounded pretty good. I mean you can easily hear his backing vocals on their last couple DVD releases... Kinda weird, but once again, I'm not letting small things detract from my enjoyment of what seems like a great concert DVD.
Overall, I'm really liking it, still need to finish watching it but I'm generally pleased so far, it looks and sounds great! The band is truely on fire! :tup
One thing on the editing, several times I have found myself saying "oh boy here comes an awesome drum part" only to find that MM is not shown at all during said part. That's really my only critique of the editing.
^ At least it was directed by someone who understands music and doesn't immediately ignore whoever is playing a solo. Fuck i hate that so much.
Quote from: Kotowboy on November 08, 2013, 08:55:33 AM
^ At least it was directed by someone who understands music and doesn't immediately ignore whoever is playing a solo. Fuck i hate that so much.
Reminds me of listening to the commentary for 5YIAL...
MM's bass drum work in AFIL (following the guitar) is realiy cool, especially the part where the same pattern is played on the snare (just before the guitar solo).
While performing Outcry where James sings this line: though you may stand upon the grave, camera showed him that he unhaded the microphone but he kept on singing that bolded part. Strange.
Quote from: SeRoX on November 08, 2013, 06:01:09 PM
While performing Outcry where James sings this line: though you may stand upon the grave, camera showed him that he unhaded the microphone but he kept on singing that bolded part. Strange.
That part, actually, used audio and video from different nights.
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on November 08, 2013, 09:05:48 PM
Quote from: SeRoX on November 08, 2013, 06:01:09 PM
While performing Outcry where James sings this line: though you may stand upon the grave, camera showed him that he unhaded the microphone but he kept on singing that bolded part. Strange.
That part, actually, used audio and video from different nights.
Yeah, that must be it and I thought the same thing but the strange thing is I called this "bad editing". Instead of this scene there can be many things to show. I mean, we waited too long for this DVD and here is an unprofessional flaw. It can be small flaw but really irritating one for me.
By the way, that part of the pic is slightly blurred, but I am shown in one of the photos in the Deluxe edition!! :metal
The funny thing is, the very same thing happened on the WhirlTour DVD by Transatlantic :lol
One of my friends in Canada went to see Metallica for the filming of Quebec Magnetic and the camera is on him in the crowd for a good ten seconds.
I wonder if the crying girl realizes how "famous" she is.
Those solo spots are the best I've heard from JR and especially JP, him setting a rhythm that JR plays while he solos was a nicessurprise, I was ready for the band to just bust into a jam.
My only complaint that really really bothers me is the low mix of the crowd. But them being in a seated venue took a lot of the energy they usually have at Standing shows, its more intimate and I respect the crowd for being into it and embracing the quiet moments like the acoustic set.
I enjoyed LALP. Its up there with Budakon, the crowd reminded me of the japanese crowd. The band was having fun, the evil stare contest between MM and JP during AFIL (I think its during that song). I can hear JPs vocals and he doesn't sound bad although I don't think he is lip synching during certain spots, others it seems JLBs backing harmonies are louder than JPs so it sounds like he's lip synching. Also, JRs keys, of the times I've seen them have certain patches that are mixed low and others loud.
Does JP fluff the riff coming back in to TDEN after the instrumental section ?
Quote from: Kotowboy on November 09, 2013, 03:29:22 PM
Does JP fluff the riff coming back in to TDEN after the instrumental section ?
No. He's been playing it that way since the CiM tour. It's the same way on that DVD. :)
Quote from: sfam2112 on November 09, 2013, 05:58:05 PM
Quote from: Kotowboy on November 09, 2013, 03:29:22 PM
Does JP fluff the riff coming back in to TDEN after the instrumental section ?
No. He's been playing it that way since the CiM tour. It's the same way on that DVD. :)
I actually like the way he plays it there. You can tell it's the same riff, but he adds more palm-muting to make it interesting. :tup
IiiiEeeeee am ready....?
That makes me laugh cause its so weird. ...is autotuned badly?
Quote from: Ben_Jamin on November 09, 2013, 10:19:38 AM
Those solo spots are the best I've heard from JR and especially JP, him setting a rhythm that JR plays while he solos was a nicessurprise, I was ready for the band to just bust into a jam.
I Also loved JR's Solo spot! It was beautiful :angel:
Quote from: Ben_Jamin on November 10, 2013, 11:46:21 PM
IiiiEeeeee am ready....?
That makes me laugh cause its so weird. ...is autotuned badly?
That's just the way he sang it. Autotune wouldn't change his pronunciation, at least not NEARLY that much.
That note is actually one of the not fixed up at all parts I think.