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Title: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: r0cken on November 20, 2012, 11:19:38 PM
I know hard rock is kind of a broad term, and it usually borders and mixes with other genres. Lets say it should be heavier than AOR, but not heavy enough to be metal.

Anyway, throw in some names, recommendations and all time favorites. Good classic hard rock like Steppenwolf, cheesy 80s stuff like Def Leppard, timeless bands like Aerosmith and especially promising new acts like... Well, these are more difficult to find lately.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: KevShmev on November 20, 2012, 11:37:33 PM
Blue Oyster Cult - Secret Treaties, Spectres, Fire of Unknown Origin, Cultosaurus Erectus and Heaven Forbid are all great starter albums.
Foghat - Slow Ride is still one of the best songs ever.
Damn Yankees - Their second album, Don't Tread, is a very good hard rock record (no light rock tunes like High Enough).
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: Lowdz on November 21, 2012, 01:13:37 AM
We probably cover this in the AOR/Melodic Rock thread. I certainly do because I would class Hard Rock as "my" genre rather than AOR (too many keyboards- not enough guitar). Many of the bands we've talked about there I would class as haard rock.

A fairly new band I would recommend is Crazy Lixx- the New Religion album would have been huge in the late 80s.

And a personal fave is Pink Cream 69. Try Thunderdome, Electriified and In10sity.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: r0cken on November 21, 2012, 01:30:31 AM
Lowdz, yeah you could throw that in with AOR, but I wanted a separate topic, cause lots of hard rock doesn't even remotely fit in with AOR.
For example, I searched for "Aerosmith" and found no actual discussion. Certainly wouldn't post about them in AOR.
By they way, they just released a new album, that so far totally disappointed me. Anyone had a listen?

Speaking of Blue Oyster Cult, I tried to get into them, but to no avail. I really got hooked on "Dominance and submission", though. God it's a groovy song.  :D

Been hitting repeat on youtube with this tune (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgz_vmwEp_0) lately. It's a new UK band, and I'm anxious to hear the album when it comes out in February.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: Lowdz on November 21, 2012, 02:31:18 AM
I've heard the Aerosmith. It's ok but nothing there to make me rush out and buy it.
I was never a big fan tbh. The early years don't do anything for me. Permanent Vacation-Pump were really good but they lost me after that.

And I agree it's probably worth it's own topic. Alot of the stuff that has been recommended in the other thread would probably fit better here.

This would also be a good place to discuss the new KISS album. I really like it on the whole. A couple of tracks are below par (the Eric Singer vocal All In The Name Of Rock'n'Roll the main culprit) but a good album. It probably just lacks a bit of variety, maybe a ballad or a Black Diamond style "epic".
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: adace on November 21, 2012, 02:34:20 AM
Would stuff like Breaking Benjamin and Disturbed count?
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 21, 2012, 02:39:01 AM
This would also be a good place to discuss the new KISS album. I really like it on the whole. A couple of tracks are below par (the Eric Singer vocal All In The Name Of Rock'n'Roll the main culprit) but a good album. It probably just lacks a bit of variety, maybe a ballad or a Black Diamond style "epic".

For me the Eric one was one of the saving tracks of the album that didn't feel like Sonic Boom pt 2. It's a typical '70s Peter Criss Rod Stewart copy sort of song, which is what I liked about it. Although it is one of the less rock tracks, it's one of the most memorable and catchy tracks.
Overall I think the album is ok, but I think Sonic Boom was a stronger album. Sonic Boom was like a rehash of their old stuff, which I liked, but Monster is like a rehash of Sonic Boom, so it's like a double rehash. :lol

And could they have chosen a more uninspired cover? I remember when Paul said the cover was being done in the style of Destroyer, and then instead we end up getting a stock promo shot over a plain logo and background that just looks like a tour poster for the KISS/Crue tour.

Would stuff like Breaking Benjamin and Disturbed count?

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Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: adace on November 21, 2012, 02:57:49 AM

Would stuff like Breaking Benjamin and Disturbed count?

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:lol
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: jjrock88 on November 21, 2012, 04:30:34 AM
That new Kiss album cover is truly uninspired; you're right! It does look just like a promo shoot cover thrown together at the last second.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: Lowdz on November 21, 2012, 04:36:08 AM
That new Kiss album cover is truly uninspired; you're right! It does look just like a promo shoot cover thrown together at the last second.

It does look better with the hologram cover but I agree it's uninspired, especially for a band with such an iconic look. A painting in the style of Destroyer/Love Gun would have been great but I guess Gene didn't want to spend any more than he had to.

It certainly is an extension of Sonic Boom but I thought SB had more filler.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: jjrock88 on November 21, 2012, 04:57:26 AM
Would it have hurt Genes precious bank account to spend abit more money on the cover lol. Oh well good album overall. But like Sonic Boom, it won't get a lot of repeated plays from me.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 21, 2012, 04:59:56 AM
That new Kiss album cover is truly uninspired; you're right! It does look just like a promo shoot cover thrown together at the last second.

It does look better with the hologram cover but I agree it's uninspired, especially for a band with such an iconic look. A painting in the style of Destroyer/Love Gun would have been great but I guess Gene didn't want to spend any more than he had to.

It certainly is an extension of Sonic Boom but I thought SB had more filler.

I disagree there. At best I'd say equal, although I find there are less standouts on Monster, and a lot of the songs are carbon copies of the songs on Sonic Boom, which in themselves were very inspired by the old stuff. Gene even reuses several of the exact same lines from Sonic Boom on this album. :lol
Wall of Sound = I'm An Animal.
Eat Your Heart Out = Hot And Cold.
Outta This World = When Lightning Strikes

I do quite like Hell or Hallelujah, Shout Mercy, Eat Your Heart Out (despite being a rehash), All For The Love of Rock n Roll, and Last Chance, but the rest blur together to me. And Paul has more stinkers on this album. Sonic Boom had Say Yeah, but Monster has Freak and Good Times, Bad Times Long Way Down.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: Zydar on November 21, 2012, 05:01:04 AM
I quite like the new Kiss album, I think it's as good as Sonic Boom. And yes, the album cover is pretty bland.

Speaking of hard rock, I've been obsessively into Alice Cooper this past week. I decided to dig deeper into his catalogue beyond the hits compilations, and I discovered that there's a goldmine of stuff there. Billion Dollar Babies, Welcome To My Nightmare, and Love It To Death are my Top 3 so far.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: r0cken on November 21, 2012, 05:40:14 AM
Never been into kiss, apart from maybe a couple of songs. I did like one of Bruce Kulick's solo albums, from 2001. And he made a couple of excellent albums with his project Union (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrnEefsNeR8), with John Corabi.

I do need to listen to the latest Alice Cooper. Heard good things about it. I only liked his 80s - early 90s albums so far: Trash (1989), Hey Stoopid (1991) and my favorite: The Last Temptation (1994).
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: Zydar on November 21, 2012, 05:49:32 AM
I do need to listen to the latest Alice Cooper. Heard good things about it. I only liked his 80s - early 90s albums so far: Trash (1989), Hey Stoopid (1991) and my favorite: The Last Temptation (1994).

I'm focusing on his 70s stuff now. I've heard the Trash album, but it's too "80s hair metal" for me - I've never been into that type of rock.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: r0cken on November 21, 2012, 05:57:41 AM
His 70s albums are a little too psychedelic for me.
But the 80s are definitely my kinda thing. My whole introduction to rock music started with hair metal. One could say it's rather sad, but I can live with it.  ;D
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 21, 2012, 06:00:07 AM
His 70s albums are a little too psychedelic for me.
But the 80s are definitely my kinda thing. My whole introduction to rock music started with hair metal. One could say it's rather sad, but I can live with it.  ;D

Nothing sad about that at all. :tup :metal
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: Lowdz on November 21, 2012, 06:01:30 AM
I do need to listen to the latest Alice Cooper. Heard good things about it. I only liked his 80s - early 90s albums so far: Trash (1989), Hey Stoopid (1991) and my favorite: The Last Temptation (1994).

I'm focusing on his 70s stuff now. I've heard the Trash album, but it's too "80s hair metal" for me - I've never been into that type of rock.

I'm an 80s/90s Alice fan really too. Hey Stoopid being my favourite, though I don't like the title track at all. Huge guitars on that album. I love From The Inside too. Those you mentioned I like too, plus most of Raise Your Fist.
His stuff post Last Temptation hasn't done anything for me, though Welcome To My Nightmare 2 had some moments.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: r0cken on November 21, 2012, 06:10:14 AM
Hey Stoopid being my favourite, though I don't like the title track at all. Huge guitars on that album.
Obviously... With guest guitarists like Slash, Vai and Satriani.
Which reminds me - Slash has been steadily releasing awesome hard rock albums since the demise of GNR. Loved his Snakepit project, and his latest two solo albums.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: TAC on November 21, 2012, 06:17:29 AM
Zydar is so right on Alice Cooper, especially the Schools Out/Killer era. Easily the most underrated American classic rock band.
Lowdz, Welcome 2 My Nightmare sucks so bad I can't even...

I still cannot find it within myself to even get into the last two Kiss albums.


And this thread can go no further without the inclusion of UFO and Thin Lizzy!
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 21, 2012, 06:21:19 AM
Being a long time fan of Kiss, I will not be getting the new album.  Sonic Boom I got.  I probably shouldn't have.

If you want Kiss that seriously will rock your socks off, get Revenge.  It's definitely harder than old Kiss and a little less "pop" oriented, for lack of a better term, but not heavy metal-hard.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: TAC on November 21, 2012, 06:28:02 AM
Yes, Revenge is great. Saw that tour in a club.

@ Lowdz. Yes 00's Alice has been very spotty if not poor. But I love The Eyes Of Alice Cooper. Has a great old school vibe to it.

Also Alice's touring band for Hey Stoopid:
Vinnie Moore
Stef Burns
Greg Smith
Eric Singer
Derek Sherinian
 :metal
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: Lowdz on November 21, 2012, 06:28:50 AM
Hey Stoopid being my favourite, though I don't like the title track at all. Huge guitars on that album.
Obviously... With guest guitarists like Slash, Vai and Satriani.
Which reminds me - Slash has been steadily releasing awesome hard rock albums since the demise of GNR. Loved his Snakepit project, and his latest two solo albums.

Stef Burns holds his own in that company and he ... burns...

I find Slash so overrated. Just a case of cool image and right place, right time.

And TAC, the WTMN2 is poor, but I found some decent moments- most were wtf moments but they made me smile. Don't imagine I'll ever listen to it again though.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: Lowdz on November 21, 2012, 06:36:11 AM
Yes, Revenge is great. Saw that tour in a club.

@ Lowdz. Yes 00's Alice has been very spotty if not poor. But I love The Eyes Of Alice Cooper. Has a great old school vibe to it.

Also Alice's touring band for Hey Stoopid:
Vinnie Moore
Stef Burns
Greg Smith
Eric Singer
Derek Sherinian
 :metal

In America yes. Don't get me started. I went to the gig in the UK expecting to se Vinnie Moore, one of my top 5 guitarists and he wasn't there. Nearly ruined the whole gig for me. His replacement Pete Friesen was competent, nothing more.

His previous band had some talent too.
Kip Winger
Kane Roberts
Ken Mary
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: Zydar on November 21, 2012, 06:40:25 AM
Yeah, I've seen some clips on YouTube where Alice played with some Rambo lookalike called Kane Roberts.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: TAC on November 21, 2012, 06:44:09 AM
Yes, Revenge is great. Saw that tour in a club.

@ Lowdz. Yes 00's Alice has been very spotty if not poor. But I love The Eyes Of Alice Cooper. Has a great old school vibe to it.

Also Alice's touring band for Hey Stoopid:
Vinnie Moore
Stef Burns
Greg Smith
Eric Singer
Derek Sherinian
 :metal

In America yes. Don't get me started. I went to the gig in the UK expecting to se Vinnie Moore, one of my top 5 guitarists and he wasn't there. Nearly ruined the whole gig for me. His replacement Pete Friesen was competent, nothing more.

His previous band had some talent too.
Kip Winger
Kane Roberts
Ken Mary

I got pics backstage with Kane Roberts and Ken Mary from the RYFAY tour.
But The Nightmare Returns your with the band that included Kip Winger is one of my all time favorite shows.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: r0cken on November 21, 2012, 06:46:11 AM
In what way is Slash overrated? As a guitar player? Maybe, I can't say. I'm not a musician, so all accomplished guitarists sound pretty good to me. I really don't focus on who's the bigger virtuoso.

Music-wise he writes really straightforward, fun, unpretentious rock-n-roll, in a way that just can't be overrated.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: Lowdz on November 21, 2012, 07:10:56 AM
Yeah, I've seen some clips on YouTube where Alice played with some Rambo lookalike called Kane Roberts.

Kane released a great AOR/Melodic Rock album called Saints & Sinners after leaving Alice's band. If the 80s isn't your thing Zydar I don't think this would change your mind but it is a very good album. Kane has a good rock voice and is an ok guitarist. Similar to Trash I guess- Desmond Child had a hand in it.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: Lowdz on November 21, 2012, 07:19:04 AM
In what way is Slash overrated? As a guitar player? Maybe, I can't say. I'm not a musician, so all accomplished guitarists sound pretty good to me. I really don't focus on who's the bigger virtuoso.

Music-wise he writes really straightforward, fun, unpretentious rock-n-roll, in a way that just can't be overrated.

As a soloist mainly. It's boring, cliched pentatonic stuff that is just not exciting for me to listen to. He seems to have trouble playing in key at times too. His songwriting doesn't do anything for me either- excepting Appetite which I loved when it came out. Nothing he or Axl have done since has made any impression on me. but that's just me. I respect your opinion. Lots of people agree with you. I do like his tone, but it's hard to make a Les Paul into a Marshall sound crap!
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: r0cken on November 21, 2012, 07:29:33 AM
We do seem to have opposite opinions about stuff. Fair enough. Just curious, what other guitarists do you like? You mentioned Vinnie Moore... Also, I'd guess Tony MacAlpine?
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: TAC on November 21, 2012, 07:34:15 AM
I've never been interested to follow Slashs career post GnR. He was great on those GnR albums though.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: Lowdz on November 21, 2012, 08:01:16 AM
We do seem to have opposite opinions about stuff. Fair enough. Just curious, what other guitarists do you like? You mentioned Vinnie Moore... Also, I'd guess Tony MacAlpine?

Yeah, the shredders!
T mac, Schenker, Uli Roth, Yngwie, Satch, Vai, Michael Lee Firkins, David Chastain, Jake E Lee, Randy Rhoads, George Lynch, Warren Di Martini, JP, Jason Becker, Marty Friedman, Andy Timmons.

But I also love Ace Frehley, Gary Moore, Paul Raymond, Steve Rothery and a host of other less technical, more melodic guys too. My tastes are certainly rooted in the 80s though.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: r0cken on November 21, 2012, 08:08:36 AM
Lowdz, well... Definitely no Schenker, Macalpine, Roth, Yngwie, Lynch or any kind of neo-classical/power shredders  for me. 
I do love Vai, Satch, Friedman and Becker though. Friedman is one of my favorites, actually. And some other, non-metal guitarists: Kenny Wayne Sheperd, Eric Johnson, Albert Lee.

TAC, why not give him a try then?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCGSNO9dqUk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCGSNO9dqUk)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhCnXVVDv1k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhCnXVVDv1k)

Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: TAC on November 21, 2012, 08:14:06 AM
Ok I will.

For me it's all about Michael Schenker and Gary Moore ( and JP!).
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 21, 2012, 08:22:26 AM
Michael Lee Firkins

I remember when he FIRST came on the scene on Shrapnel.  I'd read how just crazy good the guy was, but I never got around to listening to any of his stuff.

I can't remember if you'd said wether or not you've heard any of Paul Gilbert's solo stuff?  If not (either of the two of you), it's a pretty cool departure from his Racer-X/Mr. Big/"More chops than a butcher shop" kinda thing.  He DOES have a couple solo albums that are all instrumental, but most of his solo albums have some pretty decent poppy songwriting, albeit with a MONSTER guitarist on the solos.  Also, he's not a bad singer, either.  :lol  Very good stuff.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: KevShmev on November 21, 2012, 08:23:50 AM


Speaking of Blue Oyster Cult, I tried to get into them, but to no avail. I really got hooked on "Dominance and submission", though. God it's a groovy song.  :D

 

BOC is not a band that is gonna knock your over with great songs all over the place right away.  Their consistency in writing really good song is what got me.  In fact, I would say they have very few 10/10 songs, but they have tons of 8s and quite a few 9s as well.  Plus, they often channel that dark and erie vibe which is very infectious.  :coolio
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 21, 2012, 08:28:24 AM
they have very few 10/10 songs

Burnin' for You is unquestionably one of them.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: Lowdz on November 21, 2012, 08:33:37 AM
Michael Lee Firkins

I remember when he FIRST came on the scene on Shrapnel.  I'd read how just crazy good the guy was, but I never got around to listening to any of his stuff.

I can't remember if you'd said wether or not you've heard any of Paul Gilbert's solo stuff?  If not (either of the two of you), it's a pretty cool departure from his Racer-X/Mr. Big/"More chops than a butcher shop" kinda thing.  He DOES have a couple solo albums that are all instrumental, but most of his solo albums have some pretty decent poppy songwriting, albeit with a MONSTER guitarist on the solos.  Also, he's not a bad singer, either.  :lol  Very good stuff.

Definitely check out the Michael Lee Firkins from his self titled. Tasty stuff.

I've got most of PG's stuff. Flying Dog is the best for me but he's pretty consistent. Not a huge Racer X fan tbh, prefer mr Big.


Not the biggest BOC fan but I haven't heard much by them. I love The Marshall Plan- Cultosaurus is about all I've heard by them other than Godzilla and DFTR.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 21, 2012, 08:45:25 AM
Racer X's cover of Godzilla is excellent.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: r0cken on November 21, 2012, 09:00:48 AM
I have one Michael Lee Firkins CD collecting dust on my shelf. "Cactus Cruz". I remember liking it for five minutes, but then totally forgot about it.
Used to listen to some Gary Moore a few years back, it wasn't bad, but also didn't leave a lasting impression.

This is turning into a "Guitarists" topic... Which I actually meant to open at one time. To stir things back a little... There's a great guitarist (yeah) that used to do a little shred, than moved to blues and funk, and finally settled on hard rock. Richie Kotzen. He's got a great voice too. One of my long time favorites. Very prolific, keeps releasing solid records every few years.
He can shred (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLh2aLRt1kc) or blues (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzpjPj6knvg).
He can funk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJsxI9ypgtY), he can fusion (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hadghc7hwnk).
And he can hard rock (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKJKvYmYjz4).
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: Lowdz on November 21, 2012, 12:07:31 PM
I have one Michael Lee Firkins CD collecting dust on my shelf. "Cactus Cruz". I remember liking it for five minutes, but then totally forgot about it.
Used to listen to some Gary Moore a few years back, it wasn't bad, but also didn't leave a lasting impression.

This is turning into a "Guitarists" topic... Which I actually meant to open at one time. To stir things back a little... There's a great guitarist (yeah) that used to do a little shred, than moved to blues and funk, and finally settled on hard rock. Richie Kotzen. He's got a great voice too. One of my long time favorites. Very prolific, keeps releasing solid records every few years.
He can shred (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLh2aLRt1kc) or blues (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzpjPj6knvg).
He can funk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJsxI9ypgtY), he can fusion (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hadghc7hwnk).
And he can hard rock (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKJKvYmYjz4).

The album and live dvd he did with Poison were excellent. Not been impressed with his solo stuff though haven't listened to much of his vocal stuff. I'm just not very funky. His widdly widdly shred stuff lacked melody for me.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: Lowdz on November 21, 2012, 12:10:29 PM
Just noticed your "recently played" thing- that Dynasty album is a classic. Still album of the year for me. Up there with Danger Danger's Revolve, Crazy Lixx's New Religion and Treat's Coup de Gras as modern hard rock classics.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: r0cken on November 21, 2012, 12:22:14 PM
Oh yeah, that Dynazty (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6RjiGUBJdU) album really caught me unprepared. I'm generally trying to stay away from all the new-generation hair bands, especially the Swedish sleaze ones. But this one really grabbed me! Really solid, hard rock release.
I'm surprised we agree on something!   :P
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on November 21, 2012, 12:28:04 PM
Just noticed your "recently played" thing- that Dynasty album is a classic. Still album of the year for me. Up there with Danger Danger's Revolve, Crazy Lixx's New Religion and Treat's Coup de Gras as modern hard rock classics.

BAHAHA.  At first my brain went to Kiss - Dynasty.  :rollin
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: TAC on November 21, 2012, 12:29:32 PM
Just noticed your "recently played" thing- that Dynasty album is a classic. Still album of the year for me. Up there with Danger Danger's Revolve, Crazy Lixx's New Religion and Treat's Coup de Gras as modern hard rock classics.

BAHAHA.  At first my brain went to Kiss - Dynasty.  :rollin

Naturally, mine too. :lol

Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: Lowdz on November 21, 2012, 01:49:08 PM
Dynasty is a great KISS album. Some great songs and Ace was on fire.

And I should have spelled it Dynazty.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: LudwigVan on November 21, 2012, 02:26:15 PM
Black Country Communion, for new hard rock with a 70s classic rock flair. Shades of Deep Purple, Bad Company, Led Zeppelin, Sabbath, Hendrix etc
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: Scorpion on November 21, 2012, 02:28:18 PM
Black Country Communion, for new hard rock with a 70s classic rock flair. Shades of Deep Purple, Bad Company, Led Zeppelin, Sabbath, Hendrix etc

Sounds cool, which album would you recommend?
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: LudwigVan on November 21, 2012, 02:43:46 PM
They have 3 albums out: Their s/t debut, BCC2 and Afterglow, which just came out in the last month. I'd say you might as well start with 1st. BCC2 is just as good though. Haven't had a chance to listen to the new one yet.

For those who don't already know, the band's got ties to Deep Purple, Zeppelin and DT.

Glenn Hughs, formally from Deep Purple Mk
III, is the bassist/vocalist. Jason Bonham's the drummer and Derek Sherinian's the keyboardist. Guitarist Joe Bonamassa's voice sounds much like Rodgers of Bad Co. 
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: rogerdil on November 21, 2012, 02:46:23 PM
Expanding Man - Head to the Ground is a good hard rock album, would have been more popular if not released in the '90s.

A good instrumental, crunchy shredder guitar album is Michael Fath's Shake.

As for progressive hard-rock (as opposed to rock or metal), France's Nemo comes to mind. 
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: Scorpion on November 21, 2012, 03:07:02 PM
They have 3 albums out: Their s/t debut, BCC2 and Afterglow, which just came out in the last month. I'd say you might as well start with 1st. BCC2 is just as good though. Haven't had a chance to listen to the new one yet.

For those who don't already know, the band's got ties to Deep Purple, Zeppelin and DT.

Glenn Hughs, formally from Deep Purple Mk
III, is the bassist/vocalist. Jason Bonham's the drummer and Derek Sherinian's the keyboardist. Guitarist Joe Bonamassa's voice sounds much like Rodgers of Bad Co.

Great stuff, LudwigVan, thanks for the rec! You seem to recommend quite some awesome stuff to me, first A Pleasant Shade of Grey and now this.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: TAC on November 21, 2012, 06:22:54 PM
Scorp, LudwigVan has forgotten more about music than most people on this forum know.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on November 21, 2012, 06:52:23 PM
Any Robin Trower fans here? Bridge of Sighs is a great blues/hard rock album.

Edited to add: I saw him last year and it was mesmerizing watching him play. The show was only 90 minutes but it was a killer show.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: TAC on November 21, 2012, 06:54:04 PM
Any Robin Trower fans here? Bridge of Sighs is a great blues/hard rock album.
Never got into Robin Trower..
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: DebraKadabra on November 21, 2012, 07:25:36 PM
Any Robin Trower fans here? Bridge of Sighs is a great blues/hard rock album.

Edited to add: I saw him last year and it was mesmerizing watching him play. The show was only 90 minutes but it was a killer show.

I'm not as familiar with Robin's music as I should be, but what I've heard blew me away.  My Dad was (and probably still is) a big fan of his.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: Pols Voice on November 21, 2012, 08:46:17 PM
Robin Trower is great. I haven't heard too much of his stuff, though. The late James Dewar was a really good vocalist.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: r0cken on November 21, 2012, 10:15:02 PM
Black Country Communion, for new hard rock with a 70s classic rock flair.
Listened to their first album when it came out, liked the dense sound and a few songs. But eventually it was a bit too 70s for me. Obviously should appeal to everyone who likes Zep, D. Purple and such.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: Cyclopssss on November 22, 2012, 03:09:43 AM
Thin Lizzy
Led Zeppelin
Deep Purple
Rainbow
Judas Priest
Van Halen
Iron Maiden (yes)
KISS
UFO
Motorhead
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: r0cken on November 22, 2012, 04:11:39 AM
(https://i.minus.com/ibrc7x6OevKn99.jpg)

Want to recommend a new band that really impressed me. The name is Furyon, a relatively new UK band, and they play a little heavier brand of hard rock with excellent melodies. Lots of influences can be heard from stoner to prog to alternative to traditional heavy metal, and it's all wrapped in this modern, dense and polished sound (some might say it's too modern, but I'm totally into it).
It needs a few listens to settle in, but than it just gets better and better. Probably my album of the year.
Here are two official videos: Disappear Again (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8biW3IBqx8) and Don't Follow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPoA-ee3O9Y).
And the whole album can be heard on bandcamp (https://furyon.bandcamp.com/).
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: King Postwhore on November 22, 2012, 07:00:40 AM
I am Shocked that TAC did not mention the Scorpions.


I'd like to throw my love towards a band that started in the late 80's and is still out there.


King's X
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: TAC on November 22, 2012, 07:08:57 AM
Much of the 90's and 00's Scorps have been forgettable, but from 76-82 the Scorps were Excellent.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: King Postwhore on November 22, 2012, 07:43:40 AM
I figured you would have posted that all ready.

Speaking of BOC, I found an old ticket from The Revolution By Night tour with Also Nova opening.  On of the few tickets I could read since we has a flood in the basement a few years ago before I got a generator.  Without power the sump pimp does not work and I lost all my tickets.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: Kwyjibo on November 23, 2012, 12:02:55 AM
Good call on King's X. This band is great but never really had the big breakthrough.

And I'd like to add another hard rockin' band: Tesla!
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: r0cken on November 23, 2012, 02:02:40 AM
Yeah, Tesla rocks. Still active too, had a couple of interesting albums out in the last few years.

Gave up on King's X some time ago. Really tried to get into them, but they're just not my thing I guess.

No one mentioned Whitesnake. My favorite album would be "Saints And Sinners". Also, the 2008 "Good To Be Bad" is surprisingly solid, saw them live supporting that album. Coverdale is one energetic grandpa.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 23, 2012, 02:12:04 AM
Yeah, Tesla rocks. Still active too, had a couple of interesting albums out in the last few years.

Gave up on King's X some time ago. Really tried to get into them, but they're just not my thing I guess.

No one mentioned Whitesnake. My favorite album would be "Saints And Sinners". Also, the 2008 "Good To Be Bad" is surprisingly solid, saw them live supporting that album. Coverdale is one energetic grandpa.

Saw them on the same tour. They played here a bit before the album came out, so I'd only heard the official stream a couple of times before I went. They opened with Best Years, which completely bombed, but everyone seemed to dig All For Love, and especially Lay Down Your Love, which the whole crowd was singing by the end of the first chorus. Great tune.

Both of their recent albums are really strong, although 1987 still comes out on top for me. I don't listen to a lot of their stuff before Slide It In, aside from the more well known songs.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: r0cken on November 23, 2012, 03:49:27 AM
I never understood how lots of people seem to dislike the 80s (well maybe not here), yet 1987 is Whitesnake's most popular album, with the hair and the spandex and the pop-metal feel.

Coverdale's solo stuff is great, love the '77 Northwinds, and '97 Resteless Heart.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 23, 2012, 03:54:33 AM
No, most people here hate the '80s (at least, the cool stuff). I love all the '80s stuff though.

And I love Restless Heart. And Coverdale/Page is great too. :tup Coverdale can do no wrong, except for his 2000 solo album. Terrible.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 23, 2012, 04:36:04 AM
Whitesnake was my second-favorite band when I was 14 *memories* Restless Heart kicked some ass, and Coverdale/Page did as well. A lot of my favorite Whitesnake songs are on their late 70's/early 80's albums, but they're terribly inconsistent, 80's win for consistency really.

Both of the newer albums are snazzy, I preferred Good To Be Bad though. Saw them last year with Judas Priest and was thoroughly unimpressed - a really short, greatest-hits type of setlist, kind of like what mediocre local rock bands play at cover gigs, except it wasn't much better hearing Whitesnake doing it either. Okay, I get the "short" part, but they didn't even play Ain't No Love In The Heart Of The City. That's, like, a crime against humanity. Luckily Judas Priest was there to rock the house.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: wolfking on November 23, 2012, 04:42:53 AM
In what way is Slash overrated? 

Every way possible, especially his crappy guitar playing.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: r0cken on November 23, 2012, 04:57:34 AM
  they didn't even play Ain't No Love In The Heart Of The City. That's, like, a crime against humanity.
They played it for us...  :P They weren't opening for Judas Priest, luckily (for me), and played a full set.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: Zydar on November 23, 2012, 04:58:04 AM
I never understood how lots of people seem to dislike the 80s...

...with the hair and the spandex and the pop-metal feel.

You answered your own question there, at least for me.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: r0cken on November 23, 2012, 05:04:36 AM
Oh, you can't just take that out of context. I understand clearly why people dislike the 80s. The question was about that 1987 Whitesnake album everyone seems to love.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: Zydar on November 23, 2012, 05:14:48 AM
Yeah I know, I just wanted to explain why I don't really like 80s metal.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 23, 2012, 05:43:04 AM
Yeah I know, I just wanted to explain why I don't really like 80s metal.

And yet none of that has anything to do with the actual music.

  they didn't even play Ain't No Love In The Heart Of The City. That's, like, a crime against humanity.
They played it for us...  :P They weren't opening for Judas Priest, luckily (for me), and played a full set.

We got that song too. I guess we're just specialer. :hat
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: r0cken on November 23, 2012, 05:46:06 AM
Steven Adler's new album is streaming in full (https://www1.rollingstone.com/hearitnow/player/adler.html) on Rolling Stone, and wow it's awesome!  :omg:
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: Cyclopssss on November 23, 2012, 06:30:59 AM
 :omg: indeed!  :metal
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: TAC on November 23, 2012, 06:42:13 AM
A lot better than I was expecting. Probably wouldn't part with any money for it, but I will say that it's better than the new Aerosmith albm, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 23, 2012, 09:06:09 AM
  they didn't even play Ain't No Love In The Heart Of The City. That's, like, a crime against humanity.
They played it for us...  :P They weren't opening for Judas Priest, luckily (for me), and played a full set.

We got that song too. I guess we're just specialer. :hat
:censored
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: Lowdz on November 23, 2012, 01:06:25 PM
Oh yeah, that Dynazty (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6RjiGUBJdU) album really caught me unprepared. I'm generally trying to stay away from all the new-generation hair bands, especially the Swedish sleaze ones. But this one really grabbed me! Really solid, hard rock release.
I'm surprised we agree on something!   :P

We're agreeing on lots of things- Tesla, Whitesnake, Dynazty, I even quite like Furyon.  :omg:
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: Pols Voice on November 23, 2012, 08:21:39 PM
80s production, especially the drums, is usually a massive turnoff for me. And every band from the 60s and 70s that I love succumbed to that 80s sound. Blargh.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: r0cken on November 23, 2012, 10:36:39 PM
I even quite like Furyon.  :omg:
That's great. Sometimes it feels like I'm the only one on earth that likes them or even heard of them. Maybe that's cause they're British.  :justjen
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: Lowdz on November 24, 2012, 03:14:41 AM
I even quite like Furyon.  :omg:
That's great. Sometimes it feels like I'm the only one on earth that likes them or even heard of them. Maybe that's cause they're British.  :justjen

Didn't Furyon rise from the ashes of the band Pride? They were ok for a British melodic rock/AOR band.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: r0cken on November 24, 2012, 05:55:59 AM
Yeah, I think they did. Never heard Pride though.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: r0cken on November 25, 2012, 10:45:44 AM
This cover of Man of Constant Sorrow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXL5iBGYp8g) by Charm City Devils is utterly addictive.

Unfortunately, I didn't really like the whole album. They have a good hard rock vibe, but the songs just don't stick.
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: r0cken on November 30, 2012, 05:36:16 AM
Graveyard - never heard of this band, but the song is great (https://youtu.be/6HmMy2ubC7E). Better ignore the video though, first comment under it sums it up pretty well (Pontiac GTO for rent: 75$, Studio with blue screen and FX (1 day): 250$, Fogger: 50$, Epic Song: Priceless).
Title: Re: Hard Rock - old and new
Post by: r0cken on December 08, 2012, 06:02:19 AM
Heaven's Basement got a new video out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP1u79wSdDY

And the previously mentioned Graveyard, loving their latest album "Lights Out".