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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 06, 2012, 04:40:20 PM
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Any Masterplan fans around here?
Both the debut and Aeronautics are amongst my favourite melodic power metal albums especially the latter. Jorn just kills it on those albums and Uli Kusch who is unfortunately a very underrated drummer these days did a really solid job behind the drums.
I unfortunately just heard that the new lineup will not incude Jorn! So much for the epic comeback! >:(
New lineup:
Rick Altzi - vocals
Roland Grapow - guitars
Axel Mackenrott - keyboards
Jari Kainulainen - bass
Martin "Marthus" Skaroupka - drums
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Reporting for fandom. As you mentioned, the first two are brilliant. MKII and Time to be King are pretty good, but not on the same level.
No Jorn makes baby Jesus cry. Don't know any of At Vance's stuff, so I can't say waht kind of a replacement Altzi will make.
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Oh Masterplan, how you sadden me.
I really love their first two CD's. I mean they are just great, with the 2nd being slightly less great, but still great.
The third, with the other singer wasn't........bad, or good and I never wanted to listen to it.
Then Jorn came back and I was super pumped. However, then I heard the CD and totally gave up on the band. It seems that aside from the first 2 CD's, they have absolutely no idea to properly compose a song, and the entire 4th cd just seemed like a collection of riffs half-hazzardly thrown together.
But now Jorn is gone again? Meh. No interest in this band anymore, but I'll always love the first 2 cd's.
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That debut is amazing. The follow up was good, but didn't grab me like the debut. I didn't think much of the third and still haven't heard the forth.
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Even though I won't buy their new CD, it's cool that Jari is on it. I've always thought he was a great and underrated bassist.
Granted I doubt he'll even be audible, let alone stand out on the new cd.
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Oh the mighty debut CD is great. The 2nd is alright, didn't listen to the others. My favorites are Into The Light, Bleeding Eyes, Spirit Never Dies from the debut.
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I only have their first 2 discs and find it fantastic. Sounds like people are kinda down on the others. I still plan on checking it out.
Good stuff.
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Only a fan of the debut alum. Jorn is out again? No wonder! As much as I love the guy's voice, he's a diva and was also partly responsible for Ark's demise. Now, if only he knew how to compose good songs on his solo albums...
B.Lee
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No Jorn makes baby Jesus cry.
I second this statement.
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As much as I love Jorn, his mere presence couldn't salvage the train wreck which was their last CD, I doubt he could do much to save whatever crap they'll make next.
I'd rather him find a good band.
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I'd rather him find a good band.
It's Jorn. He'll just jump from one thing to another.
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I'd rather him find a good band.
It's Jorn. He'll just jump from one thing to another.
I don't really follow him. I loved him on the first 2 Masterplan albums and of course the last Ayreon album, but I haven't been impressed with his solo stuff. And I never got around to really checking out Ark.
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I have to agree with Adami here. The first two are phenominal and some of the greatest power metal you will ever heard. MK2 I actually really enjoyed, a lot of good songs and Mike did a wonderful job. An excellent power metal album with IMO Grapow's best guitar work to date.
Was also excited when Jorn came back but IMO, Time To Be King is rubbish and I simply cannot get into anything on that album. I've tried multiple times but it's just crap, and it has Jorn and Roland, and for me to say anything with Jorn on it is crap, it must be a steaming pile of shit.
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I have to agree with Adami here. The first two are phenominal and some of the greatest power metal you will ever heard. MK2 I actually really enjoyed, a lot of good songs and Mike did a wonderful job. An excellent power metal album with IMO Grapow's best guitar work to date.
Was also excited when Jorn came back but IMO, Time To Be King is rubbish and I simply cannot get into anything on that album. I've tried multiple times but it's just crap, and it has Jorn and Roland, and for me to say anything with Jorn on it is crap, it must be a steaming pile of shit.
Tbh, I already had problems with Masterplan 2. The compositions were already suffering from lack of inspiration. From then on, it's become almost totally crap, which is a shame.
As far as jorn is concerned, the guy cannot satay long in a certain configuration, but I wish he had gone on making the same music as in Ark. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be his style. And the main problem I have with him is that he is only interested in hard rock now and nothing else.
B.Lee
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Disagree about Masterplan but agree on Jorn and Ark. IMO, I like Aeronautics just as much as the debut, probably even more. MK3 was definitely a step down, but that wasn't Mike's fault at all.
Burn the Sun was the best thing Jorn has ever done, I too wish he kept in that vein but it was not to be, he'd prefer to keep churning out Dio inspired rock over and over again.
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Disagree about Masterplan but agree on Jorn and Ark. IMO, I like Aeronautics just as much as the debut, probably even more. MK3 was definitely a step down, but that wasn't Mike's fault at all.
Burn the Sun was the best thing Jorn has ever done, I too wish he kept in that vein but it was not to be, he'd prefer to keep churning out Dio inspired rock over and over again.
Gonna listen some Aeronautics, maybe my memory is failing me. :laugh:
B.Lee
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Disagree about Masterplan but agree on Jorn and Ark. IMO, I like Aeronautics just as much as the debut, probably even more. MK3 was definitely a step down, but that wasn't Mike's fault at all.
Burn the Sun was the best thing Jorn has ever done, I too wish he kept in that vein but it was not to be, he'd prefer to keep churning out Dio inspired rock over and over again.
Gonna listen some Aeronautics, maybe my memory is failing me. :laugh:
B.Lee
Probably not, I totally understand why people prefer the first much more, but Aeronautics has special nostalgic connections with me which probably persuades my opinion.
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I prefer Aeronautics over the s/t... but just barely.
Also agree on Jorn overall lately. His last solo album a few months ago was also a steaming pile. And like wolf, for me to say that about Jorn means it must be foul. The middle stuff from his solo albums (Lonely are the Brave, Out to Every Nation, The Duke) are good.
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I thought the last Jorn one was alright, but nothing on there made me come back for more. Nothing will top Worldchanger though IMO, those three you mentioned Chad aren't far behind.
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I thought the last Jorn one was alright, but nothing on there made me come back for more. Nothing will top Worldchanger though IMO, those three you mentioned Chad aren't far behind.
There wasn't anything wrong/bad about the last album, but I certainly wasn't wow'd. And given the competition this year, it's only gotten 2 plays from me so far.
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This has turned more into a Jorn discussion.
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I too rank Aeronautics a little higher than Masterplan but just a tiny bit. I think the main reason is that most of the songs on Aeronautics are just a little more stronger, melodic and easy goin, a little more cheese if you will and if there's one thing that gets me pumped it's strong melodies! :metal
Masterplan Top 3:
Crawling from Hell
Bleeding Eyes
Sail On
Aeronautics Top 3:
Black in the Burn
Crimson Rider
Wounds (That song always makes me happy)
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All these shots at MKII and Time to be King inspired me to go back for a listen. I'll stand by my original statement... they're not on the same level as s/t and Aeronautics, but they are enjoyable. Nothing wrong with them at all.
And to clarify the apparent discrepancy of my comments regarding Jorn's last solo ("steaming pile" and nothing "wrong/bad"). I have a huge man crush on Jorn and pretty much everything he does. So, when something is 'meh' from him, it's the equivalent of a steaming pile since I have so much love and expectation for everything he lends his voice to.
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I must say i do enjoy Lonely Winds of War from Time to Be King.
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Oh Masterplan, how you sadden me.
I really love their first two CD's. I mean they are just great, with the 2nd being slightly less great, but still great.
The third, with the other singer wasn't........bad, or good and I never wanted to listen to it.
Then Jorn came back and I was super pumped. However, then I heard the CD and totally gave up on the band. It seems that aside from the first 2 CD's, they have absolutely no idea to properly compose a song, and the entire 4th cd just seemed like a collection of riffs half-hazzardly thrown together.
But now Jorn is gone again? Meh. No interest in this band anymore, but I'll always love the first 2 cd's.
Pretty much this exactly. For all future opinions of mine on Masterplan, I delegate responsibility to Adami.
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The first two Masterplan albums are excellent, the rest quite poor.
I'm no huge Jorn fan. I just don't like his voice that much. He is definitely no DIO nor Coverdale in his prime and I find much of his songwriting uninspired, plodding and same-y. I'm not a huge fan of the Ark album either.
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Well, you still have good tastes despite that fail.
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Well, you still have good tastes despite that fail.
;D
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Well, you still have good tastes despite that fail.
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I listened to MKII last night and am listening to Tome To Be King right now, and I basically stand by my previous posts. MKII was excellent and enjoyable and despite a few fillers, Roland's guitar work is exceptional and Mike is awesome. Only a few songs into Time to Be King, and it's better than I remember at teh moment, but I actually can't wait for it to finish so I can spin MKII again.
I think if Time To Be King was released by most other power metal bands, it would be a good/great album, but because of the expectations of the people involved and especially Jorn's return, it simply just doesn't match up.
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I listened to MKII last night and am listening to Tome To Be King right now, and I basically stand by my previous posts. MKII was excellent and enjoyable and despite a few fillers, Roland's guitar work is exceptional and Mike is awesome. Only a few songs into Time to Be King, and it's better than I remember at teh moment, but I actually can't wait for it to finish so I can spin MKII again.
I think if Time To Be King was released by most other power metal bands, it would be a good/great album, but because of the expectations of the people involved and especially Jorn's return, it simply just doesn't match up.
Yeah, Jorn's return was for me a good "Wow!" moment. But then, as you say, it was a let-down. Nothing stands out in Masterplan now and that's a shame given the people involved.
B.Lee
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I think if Time To Be King was released by most other power metal bands, it would be a good/great album, but because of the expectations of the people involved and especially Jorn's return, it simply just doesn't match up.
BINGO! It's about expectations sometimes. Like, if my wife expected 30 minute love-making sessions, she'd be sorely disappointed. Because her expectations are more in the range of time described in 'seconds'... she's good!
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I think if Time To Be King was released by most other power metal bands, it would be a good/great album, but because of the expectations of the people involved and especially Jorn's return, it simply just doesn't match up.
BINGO! It's about expectations sometimes. Like, if my wife expected 30 minute love-making sessions, she'd be sorely disappointed. Because her expectations are more in the range of time described in 'seconds'... she's good!
:rollin
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I think if Time To Be King was released by most other power metal bands, it would be a good/great album, but because of the expectations of the people involved and especially Jorn's return, it simply just doesn't match up.
BINGO! It's about expectations sometimes. Like, if my wife expected 30 minute love-making sessions, she'd be sorely disappointed. Because her expectations are more in the range of time described in 'seconds'... she's good!
My other half's reaction would be relief! ;D
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My dislike of Time to be King had nothing to do with my expectations.
It has to do with the fact that it's a poorly written album. The transitions are awful and it really sounds like Roland demoed a crap load of riffs and then got on pro tools and just kind of stuck them together without a lot of thought.
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I think if Time To Be King was released by most other power metal bands, it would be a good/great album, but because of the expectations of the people involved and especially Jorn's return, it simply just doesn't match up.
BINGO! It's about expectations sometimes. Like, if my wife expected 30 minute love-making sessions, she'd be sorely disappointed. Because her expectations are more in the range of time described in 'seconds'... she's good!
:lol
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So glad my lack of sexual prowess brings humour to your day.
:psychosane:
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My dislike of Time to be King had nothing to do with my expectations.
It has to do with the fact that it's a poorly written album. The transitions are awful and it really sounds like Roland demoed a crap load of riffs and then got on pro tools and just kind of stuck them together without a lot of thought.
After listening to the album in full again, I actually change my opinion a little regarding expectations and agree with this. While the hype of Jorn's return didn't help the situation, the album is inconsistent, incoherant, unenjoyable and very rushed and slapped together with no real hooks of exciting melodies.
MKII on the other hand is back in rotation and I'm really enjoying it.
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I've never heard the forth release, but if Wolf and Chad aren't big fans of it- I probably won't bother. They know their Jorn.
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Give it a listen online and see what you think, but it's definitely not these guys at their best at all.
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It's certainly not as bad as Jorn's solo album from this year. I might have to go back to listen to that with fresh ears, but as I recall, it was a big bucket of 'meh'. Then again, I got it right around the time I also got Nine, Danger Zone, Clockwork Angels, Lost in the New Real and Harmagedon. It was definitely the weakest link of that haul.
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Rock to the Land (or whatever the hell it's called) IMO is much better than Time To Be King.
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Rock to the Land (or whatever the hell it's called) IMO is much better than Time To Be King.
Well, that goes to show how memorable it was!
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MASTERPLAN - The Game (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bxr3ZohL7ag) (New song)
Sure not bad but.....Jorn! :'(
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MASTERPLAN - The Game (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bxr3ZohL7ag) (New song)
Sure not bad but.....Jorn! :'(
Rick Altzi ain't bad as a replacement. And, I'll take this kind of music without Jorn vs the crap that was on Jorn's solo album last year.
Me likey.
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This was a pretty decent song, I like the vocals. Looking forward to it and I have my copy pre-ordered. This song sounds like it should be better than the last piece of crap.
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MASTERPLAN - Keep Your Dream Alive (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BQ4BlRwKMRo#!)
Starting to like his voice and the song ain't bad either!
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Ninja'd. Just updated the melodic rock thread with this;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdaZiaOhcS0
Forgot there was a Masterplan thread.
Yeah, I like his voice a lot, no complaints from me.
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For once i was first, that dosen't happen every day! :D
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For once i was first, that dosen't happen every day! :D
44 seconds quicker, nice.
Just realised my copy has been despatched a day ago, should have it next week.
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Altzi is an excellent vocalist. I don't have any At Vance (which will undoubtedly change after this), but his work in Epysode was great.
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Altzi is an excellent vocalist. I don't have any At Vance (which will undoubtedly change after this), but his work in Epysode was great.
I have a couple of their cd's but they are just sitting in the racks, never listened too, never really checked them out, that will change.
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Oliver Hartmann used to be in At Vance, didn't he?
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Oliver Hartmann used to be in At Vance, didn't he?
Yeah, that's right. I think Rick has only been in for the last couple of albums or so. I need to do some research, see what albums I have and check them out.
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Just reporting in to say this new album is excellent. Not missing Jorn here at all. Altzi does a great job but there's great material here.
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Great to hear Paul, I should receive my copy this week.
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Just reporting in to say this new album is excellent. Not missing Jorn here at all. Altzi does a great job but there's great material here.
Seriously.
After two listens, this album if fucking legit. The production is a bit loud and muddy but the material and performances on here are A class. Definitely another contender for album of the year. I laugh at how much better this is compared to ATTBK.
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Man, Pray for my Soul could be the song of the year, awesome.
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New interview with Roland;
https://myglobalmind.com/2013/06/26/exclusive-interview-with-roland-grapow-guitars-masterplanformer-helloween/
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That solo on No Escape :hefdaddy
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Glad you are liking the album. :tup
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Glad you are liking the album. :tup
Yeah, I'm liking it a lot actually. Black Night Of Magic is a great song, as is the title track.
Rick Altzi us a great vocalist. I must check out At Vance! Believe it or not, I am not a Jorn guy, so this is a nice change.
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Yeah, I'm loving his voice here, seriously no complaints from me either. Terrific album.
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I can relate to whoever said they can't get into Time To Be King. There's just something about it.... And the lyrics did not impress me. I thought they were lousy lyrics. And I'm pretty sure Jorn wrote them himself. They were too fantasy based, and I'm not into that kinda thing. I'm not interested in listening to power metal that is fantasy based. Blind Guardian has some really fuckin awesome tunes, but i just can't get past the whole Tolkien and swordy&sorcery, knights in armor, wizards waving wands shit. Helloween is my favorite power metal band and 1 of my favorite 3 bands ever- if they started writing lyrics about lord of the rings, i don't know if i would buy the album. (i know the keeper story is fantasy...but that's the only thing like that they've done)
Masterplan's first 2 albums are definitely their best. I'v listened to very little of the albums without Jorn Lande. What i have heard from them sounded like the singers were trying to copy Jorn. It's really shitty he left the band. After he came back the 2nd time, did he even tour with them?
And Uli Kusch is no longer in Masterplan, right? That sucks. He created the band with Roland. Uli is a great songwriter too. Him and Roland together- goddamn! Both of them wrote some of Helloween's best songs. Mr. Torture anyone?
Dark Ride is my favorite Helloween song, and Roland has said at the beginning of the band that he wanted Helloween to continue in that direction, and that's the direction he's going with Masterplan. Some of their first album was actually written for Dark Ride. I guess that's why i loved their music so much. Only it's not as dark as dark ride. I'd say Soulburn and Bleeding Eyes are definitely in the vein of what he was doing with dark ride. (Also, Masterplan's music isn't as progressive as Roland made it out to be at first).
It sorta feels like Masterplan is dying. Too many band members critical to their success have left. But i guess i should at least hear their newest album. Only it's hard to find here in Canada. The only store i can hope to find it in is HMV, but they've been shutting down so the closest one is a few towns away. Ill look for it next time im there.
(OT: How do drummers write songs? Like Uli Kusch, some Helloween songs he's credited only. Does he play guitar, sing?)
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Uli only played on the first two albums.
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Does anyone else get the impression that Masterplans fanbase has shrunk significantly since they lost Jorn Lande? This is understandable considering he was considered the highlight of the band by most fans. But Roland Grapow is one of my favorite guitarists and songwriters, and he doesn't deserve what's happened to his band.
Is it true Jorn was the main reason for the more hard rock style of Aeronautics? That's what i'v heard. And this isn't a bad thing, as i think it's their best album along with the debut. But did he really have that much input?
And i wouldn't have minded had they continued in the style of Aeronautics. It's still power metal to me, just better.
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I love Masterplan. Bought every release, except the last one.
I don't think Time to be King is as bad as people say...
And i REALLY enjoy Jorn's voice. One of my favourite singers of all time.
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Does anyone else get the impression that Masterplans fanbase has shrunk significantly since they lost Jorn Lande? This is understandable considering he was considered the highlight of the band by most fans. But Roland Grapow is one of my favorite guitarists and songwriters, and he doesn't deserve what's happened to his band.
Is it true Jorn was the main reason for the more hard rock style of Aeronautics? That's what i'v heard. And this isn't a bad thing, as i think it's their best album along with the debut. But did he really have that much input?
And i wouldn't have minded had they continued in the style of Aeronautics. It's still power metal to me, just better.
I'm guilty of only following them for Jorn, once he left I have no interest at all in them.
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Those first two releases are awesome. They lost me a bit with that third one, and I haven't picked up anything from them since.
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Those first two releases are awesome. They lost me a bit with that third one, and I haven't picked up anything from them since.
Last year's album was great!
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I'm going to be seeing these guys in September. The only album I have, the most recent one, is not bad at all. With that being said, it really hasn't grown much on me and I worry that most of the songs blend together a little too well and the overall product is samey.
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Those first two releases are awesome. They lost me a bit with that third one, and I haven't picked up anything from them since.
Last year's album was great!
This so much. Rick Altzi is an awesome vocalist. Love him almost as much as I love Jorn.
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The main problem I had with Time to Be King was that most of the songs were too similar and blended together. And some of the guitar parts and even lyrics had some Blind Guardian-ish fantasy-ness to them; luckily the newest album doesn't.
My concern is their dwindling fanbase. When they first started out, they were very popular and talked about a lot. Even won some awards. But when Jorn left the first time, that's when their downhill slope started. They still make good music, but....I'd rather see Roland start a new band. But since he hasn't, maybe he's very much accustomed to the Masterplan sound, because other then the vocals, they still sound like Masterplan. But they will forever be thought of in a lesser way.
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Bumping for the sake that Aeronautics is still an amazing album.
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Aeronautics is fuckin amazing! I'd say I like it more then their self-titled one. And Rick Altzi is a pretty good replacement, but I'm not sure about his range. I do love how Masterplan has never gone for the classic hgh-pitched vocalist most common with power metal.
But back to Time To Be King. Am I the only person that notices the fantasy elements in this album? There is definitely fantasy Themes in the lyrics (Jorn is not a good lyricist). And I also hear this in the music. At many times throughout the album I hear fantasy sounding (middle-ages?) guitar and keyboards etc. like I said earlier, these are Blind Guardian-ish sounds. But it's not in your face like Blind Guarian. It's also the least impressive Jorn album. Why did he even return?
I'm wondering if anyone else has noticed this. Do you think this was a conscience decision? I mean, do you think as a band they decided to create an album with more of a fantasy tinge than what theyve done before? In the music and the lyrics. The albums before TTBK and the new one with Altzi don't have this element to it, they have more of a "modern" sound to them, which is the way I prefer my power metal. Im just surprised that all the reviews and comments Iv heard about the abum have never addressed this.
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I want to get into Lande's solo albums, because that seems to be all he's doing now. But i have heard Out To Every Nation and found it lousy. All the songs sound so pieced together and bland.
Are any of his solo albums any good?
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His first 2 Worldchanger and Starfire are pretty good.
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Worldchanger and Out to Every Nation are my favs. Starfire is a good one, but a lot of covers.
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Jorn Lande's covers are one thing i really love. Damn, Perfect Strangers and Burn (Deep Purple); Stargazer (Rainbow) and The Sun Goes Down (Thin Lizzy) are my favorites. His voice really adds to the music.
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He left Ark and Masterplan becuase they never made it big enough for him. Is his solo career popular and doing any better then Masterplan?
Such a shame about Masterplan. Their debut album was very popular and well received, also Aeronautics seemed to be made when the band was riding high. But then after the third album, everyone stopped caring it seems.
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His Dio album is excellent!
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I like Jorn in The Snakes, Brazen Abbot and Vagabond, wayy more than his solo career.
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Don't forget Millenium.
He left Ark and Masterplan becuase they never made it big enough for him. Is his solo career popular and doing any better then Masterplan?
Such a shame about Masterplan. Their debut album was very popular and well received, also Aeronautics seemed to be made when the band was riding high. But then after the third album, everyone stopped caring it seems.
That's because Jorn left and people have trouble accepting someone new, even though Mike did an amazing job on MK3.
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Don't forget Millenium.
He left Ark and Masterplan becuase they never made it big enough for him. Is his solo career popular and doing any better then Masterplan?
Such a shame about Masterplan. Their debut album was very popular and well received, also Aeronautics seemed to be made when the band was riding high. But then after the third album, everyone stopped caring it seems.
That's because Jorn left and people have trouble accepting someone new, even though Mike did an amazing job on MK3.
You're right, Wolf. For a lot of people, me included, Jorn was THE voice of Masterplan. Difficult to hear the band with someone else.
B.Lee
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It was a shame that he left after two of the most brilliant power metal albums ever, and can totally see why it would be hard for some to hear someone new.
I really liked MK3 though. It's not at the level of the first two, but it's an enjoyable album and a million times better than A Time To Be King.
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I'v only listened to one song off Mkiii so far. From what i can tell, the singer on that one sounds an awful lot like the new guy Rick Altzi ;p
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Jorn have this very clean and powerful voice that's very recognizable and Uli Kusch imo is a very underated drummer these days. Loved his work with Helloween and Masterplan. The drums on Aeronautics might even be his best performance he's done on record or atleast one of his best. So when both of these guys left my interest for Masterplan sunk to the bottom.
Edit: Come to think of it The Dark Ride might be my favourite performance by Uli though.
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Yea, I don't think Masterplan will ever be where they were when they did the first 2 CDs. Both critically and in terms of their fanbase. But, they're new one is still good. Better then Time to be King. I'd like to see Roland go and start a new band, but i really doubt that will happen. It would take too much. He has a studio and produces band, he makes money from that, and apparently not much from Masterplan these days. And they're STILL a name, people recognize them, i'm sure he makes some good money, sometimes. A new band just seems out of the question. I'd like to see him succeed though, he really got the shaft from Helloween and IMO he doesn't deserve it. I want to see him in a huge band, maybe a big band like Dragonforce or something will need a new guitarist! i know, i know....but i love his music, he's an amazing player and songwriter.
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I wonder how would MKII sound with Jorn on the vocals...
Damn...
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MASTERPLAN - Spirit Never Die [LIVE] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZRKm4WQfUM)
Sounds awesome but yea there's like 4 additional guitar redubs. :lol Could be the backtrack though.
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The new album is great EXCEPT for the vocals. I can't get over how disappointed I am in the new vocalist choice. They just tried to get a Jorn soundalike, which I guess they did, but he also sounds bad. Doest have the soul. . Id even be happy if they chose the guy whose with Serious Black.
Wish they chose someone else, because the new album has some killer songs. I'm curious, who do you guys think could have been the new Masterplan frontman?
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The new album is great EXCEPT for the vocals. I can't get over how disappointed I am in the new vocalist choice. They just tried to get a Jorn soundalike, which I guess they did, but he also sounds bad. Doest have the soul. . Id even be happy if they chose the guy whose with Serious Black.
Wish they chose someone else, because the new album has some killer songs. I'm curious, who do you guys think could have been the new Masterplan frontman?
Dude... we get it. You hate Altzi's voice. No need to constantly shit all over him in multiple threads. ::)
Personally, I love him, and am 100% fine with him replacing Jorn. Urban breed wouldn't have been a bad choice either, but for me, absolutely nothing wrong with Altzi.
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I don't think Altzi sounds like Jorn at all!
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The new album is great EXCEPT for the vocals. I can't get over how disappointed I am in the new vocalist choice.
Yeah, you've kinda said that already.
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Because he sucks assholes
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Because he sucks assholes
I got no problem in people having intelligent, articulated discussions over anything. But just dropping virtiol like that is enough to make me skip you from here on out. If you don't have something to add the conversation/discussion, then don't add anything at all.
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Because he sucks assholes
Bugger off mate. We don't need this debris around here.
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Come on, lighten up guys.
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Come on, lighten up guys.
Well, perhaps just let it go mate. Rick is the singer of Masterplan, you can't do anything to change that. If you don't like him, fine, others do, and you still have the first two albums to go back too.
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Actually never heard Rick until I checked out the live clip.
He sounds pretty good, better than I though after Notepad's criticism.
But I doubt if I'll be able to get past that Jorn sang those songs originally and without him they are not quite the same.
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I think what really distracts me is the fact that he is clearly supposed to be a replacement for Jorn, a clone, instead of getting a different singer and evolving that way. He's not terrible but he's a lesser Jorn, without the range. I'll see what they do next, maybe that'll change things; I still think the songwriting is great, Roland is always great, so I'll get whatever they do next.
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I really do not see him as a Jorn clone.
As soon as he opened his mouth I knew this.
He sounds just as he did with Thunderstone, I didn't think 'Jorn clone' then, nor do i do now.
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He doesn't sound like Jorn on the novum initium album. He is a very good singer.
When singing Jorn songs it's likely he may sound a bit like him.
Move on.
Jorn is off making mediocre albums elsewhere.
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Range aside, I feel like Altzi has much more personality in his voice. Jorn has always left me kind of cold.
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I think what really distracts me is the fact that he is clearly supposed to be a replacement for Jorn, a clone, instead of getting a different singer and evolving that way.
If you'd have heard of Rick previously, you'd obviously know that he is not trying to copy Jorn, instead of just judging him on the one album.
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I found a compilation album called MKIII
It has all the B-sides/bonus tracks from the Jorn albums, not sure how official this is though?
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I found a compilation album called MKIII
It has all the B-sides/bonus tracks from the Jorn albums, not sure how official this is though?
I'd be interested in hearing that
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2011 - MK III
01. Never Walk Alone
02. The Kid Rocks On
03. Killing In Time
04. Dying Just To Live
05. Through Thick And Thin
06. Treasure World
07. Hopes And Dreams
08. Love Is A Rock
09. Black Dog
10. Kisses From You
11. Killing In Time
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If memory serves correct I liked the bonus tracks from the debut better than most/all of the album,.
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I actually never heard them.
Though I was lucky enough to get my debut CD signed by all members, except Jorn, who couldn't be bothered
to show up to a signing at Bloodstock 2005.
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Pretty certain that's not an official release.
If memory serves correct I liked the bonus tracks from the debut better than most/all of the album,.
Everything on this compilation is really great stuff.
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The reason I got into Masterplan was the debut and Aeronautics which imo probably is two of the best power metal albums i've heard alongside of Lost Horizons debut which to this day holds the throne of the strongest power metal debut ever.
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If memory serves correct I liked the bonus tracks from the debut better than most/all of the album,.
I've always loved Through Thick And Thin. Jorn is especially good at singing lyrics like that. And the Black Dog cover was cool also, I just expected Jorn to sing the beginning part in a higher register.
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Yeah Lost Horizon were an amazing band.
I was lucky enough to catch them live at the Tuska festival in Helsinki 2003.
One of the best shows I have ever seen, singer Daniel Heiman nailed everything.
Including a cover of Crimson Glory's Red Sharks, which he matched Midnight's vocals note for note.
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Yeah Lost Horizon were an amazing band.
Hell YES! :metal
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Yeah Lost Horizon were an amazing band.
I was lucky enough to catch them live at the Tuska festival in Helsinki 2003.
One of the best shows I have ever seen, singer Daniel Heiman nailed everything.
Including a cover of Crimson Glory's Red Sharks, which he matched Midnight's vocals note for note.
Awesome! Yea Daniel is one helluva underated singer or atleast he hasn't had the career he deserves imo. To bad they couldn't stick together in the end.
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Yeah Lost Horizon were an amazing band.
I was lucky enough to catch them live at the Tuska festival in Helsinki 2003.
One of the best shows I have ever seen, singer Daniel Heiman nailed everything.
Including a cover of Crimson Glory's Red Sharks, which he matched Midnight's vocals note for note.
Awesome! Yea Daniel is one helluva underated singer or atleast he hasn't had the carrer he deserves imo. To bad they couldn't stick together in the end.
The Crystal Eyes and Harmony albums have not done him justice.
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The Heed album was pretty good.
What is he doing now, anything?
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Well he was just on the Harmony album released last year. Not sure if he's a full fledged member or not.
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Well he was just on the Harmony album released last year. Not sure if he's a full fledged member or not.
Still need to check that album out.
A prefer A Flame to the Ground Beneath myself.
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Well he was just on the Harmony album released last year. Not sure if he's a full fledged member or not.
Still need to check that album out.
A prefer A Flame to the Ground Beneath myself.
Yea there's some killer tunes on that one like Cry of a Restless Soul, Think Not Forever and Highlander. I just remember hearing Denial Of Fate for the first time and thought it was such a breath of fresh air at the time for power metal. The whole album felt like that actually, A Flame to the Ground Beneath buildt upon that later sadly it was also the last album.
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Such a waste for the band. I remember when Daniel left, the band encouraged people to send auditions to find a replacement, but nothing ever eventuated.
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A prefer A Flame to the Ground Beneath myself.
One of the best albums these ears have ever heard.
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A prefer A Flame to the Ground Beneath myself.
One of the best albums these ears have ever heard.
Yep.
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A prefer A Flame to the Ground Beneath myself.
One of the best albums these ears have ever heard.
Yep.
Never heard of 'em. Guess the race is on to see who submits first next round?
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A prefer A Flame to the Ground Beneath myself.
One of the best albums these ears have ever heard.
Yep.
Never heard of 'em. Guess the race is on to see who submits first next round?
From Round 3 of your last Roulette:
TAC:
Lost Horizon/Cry of a Restless Soul - Dayum. After a slow spoken part, this grabs you by the short and curlies, and doesn't let go. Unlike Eye of the Storm, this does have a frantic rhythm section, in a good - nay, great - way. :birch:
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Holy fuck am I getting old. Why the hell didn't I check them out?!?!? :zeltar: It got you $500 big ones too!
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The whole album is a cracker. That isn't even one of my favs from the album.
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Can't link the story from my phone but in Bravewords there's an article about Masterplan rerecording some of Roland's Helloween songs for an album.
EDIT: Here's the link.
https://bravewords.com/news/masterplan-re-recording-roland-grapow-era-helloween-songs-release-planned-for-spring-2016
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Can't link the story from my phone but in Bravewords there's an article about Masterplan rerecording some of Roland's Helloween songs for an album.
(https://memecrunch.com/meme/2BKXP/yes-motherfucker/image.png?w=400&c=1)
As long as the production is good, I'll be all over this.
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Ha Chuck Norris approved!!
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Lone Wolfking McQuade.
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Lonely Winds of War is such a simple but epic tune.
I must say i do enjoy Lonely Winds of War from Time to Be King.
Oh how about that, apparently i'm in agreement with myself 10 years later.
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Oh man, thought there was an update when I saw this thread bumped.
Lonely Winds of War is such a simple but epic tune.
I must say i do enjoy Lonely Winds of War from Time to Be King.
Oh how about that, apparently i'm in agreement with myself 10 years later.
Damn you! That album still sucks. :biggrin:
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Oh sry dude! I should've known better since last post was 2015. :D
Yea the album isn't great but I do enjoy that song.
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Haha all good.
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Oh man, thought there was an update when I saw this thread bumped.
Lonely Winds of War is such a simple but epic tune.
I must say i do enjoy Lonely Winds of War from Time to Be King.
Oh how about that, apparently i'm in agreement with myself 10 years later.
Damn you! That album still sucks. :biggrin:
My thoughts exactly.