QuoteNew York. 10 August, 2012 - Legendary progressive rock band, Dream Theater, selects Over the Edge Productions to produce their upcoming concert event and Mike Leonard to be the director.
Dream Theater announces they will be filming a concert DVD for their latest world tour in support of "A Dramatic Turn of Events," on August 19th and 20th at Luna Park Stadium in Buenos Aires, Argentina.
"We are thrilled to be working with Dream Theater again, especially on such a monumental project. Dream Theater is a legend in the music world, and they're all really amazing guys," says Leonard, founder of Over the Edge Productions (OTE), a New York-based production company specializing in entertainment television.
Last year, OTE produced a documentary for Dream Theater entitled The Spirit Carries On, which was released on DVD with their album and chronicles the journey they took to find their new drummer, Mike Mangini.
The Concert DVD will showcase the best of this two-night live event filmed with up to 10 cameras and ultimately released on BluRay disc. Bonus features will also include documentary segments with the band as a follow up to The Spirit Carries On movie.
"We have had such an incredible time performing all across the globe over the past year and it has been an amazing and event filled tour. We are really excited about ending things up in South America and the two-night concert and DVD shoot in Argentina is sure to be an amazing evening! Better yet is to be working with Mike Leonard and everyone at [Over the Edge Productions] once again. Our experience with Mike and crew on "The Spirit Carries On" documentary was nothing short of spectacular and we know that they will deliver our best work to date. Between the show, documentary and interview footage, we are confident that Mike will not only deliver an epic concert video, but that he will capture the real essence of [Dream Theater's] South American experience to be enjoyed by our fans all around the world," says John Petrucci.
The Dream Theater concert event will take place in Luna Park Stadium in Buenos Aires, Argentina. The former amusement park, located in the heart of Buenos Aires near the district of Puerto Madero, has been known to host countless musical performances and sporting events for over the past eighty years. The historic venue is representative of the immense culture found within the country of Argentina.
https://www.dreamtheater.net/board_posts/dream-theater-concert-dvd-in-south-america
"Bonus features will also include documentary segments with the band as a follow up to The Spirit Carries On movie."
Also states that the DVD will be of "the best of" the two nights.
I love that they're shooting this in South America. The DT fans down there are fucking loud. They'll get a huge energy boost in the final product.
Quote from: ReaPsTA on August 10, 2012, 03:00:52 PM
I love that they're shooting this in South America. The DT fans down there are fucking loud. They'll get a huge energy boost in the final product.
Agreed 100%.
And four out of the six official DVDs were shot in the same towns/areas (Tokyo, NYC). Any change of region is welcomed for a comprehensive one city project.
Quote from: CableX 1814 on August 10, 2012, 03:04:32 PM
And four out of the six official DVDs were shot in the same towns/areas (Tokyo, NYC). Any change of region is welcomed for a comprehensive one city project.
Indeed.
QuoteThe Concert DVD will showcase the best of this two-night live event filmed with up to 10 cameras and ultimately released on BluRay disc. Bonus features will also include documentary segments with the band as a follow up to The Spirit Carries On movie.
~ :sadpanda:
~ :tup
~ :omg:
Quote from: ReaPsTA on August 10, 2012, 03:00:52 PM
I love that they're shooting this in South America. The DT fans down there are fucking loud. They'll get a huge energy boost in the final product.
Disagree 100%.
As long as the crowd doesn't overpower the band who I actually
want to hear I'm ok with it.
Quote from: PetFish on August 10, 2012, 03:09:59 PM
Quote from: ReaPsTA on August 10, 2012, 03:00:52 PM
I love that they're shooting this in South America. The DT fans down there are fucking loud. They'll get a huge energy boost in the final product.
Disagree 100%.
As long as the crowd doesn't overpower the band who I actually want to hear I'm ok with it.
This. I want to be able to hear the band.
And to the people expecting the DVD to have both nights on it, that would be over 5 hours worth of material and there is no way they could fit all that and the bonus features on a single DVD or blu-ray disc. It shouldn't have surprised anyone that only one night of concert footage plus a bonus feature of some kind would have ended up on the final DVD product.
YEAH! this is exciting news :metal
Quote from: wasteland on August 10, 2012, 03:07:58 PM
QuoteThe Concert DVD will showcase the best of this two-night live event filmed with up to 10 cameras and ultimately released on BluRay disc. Bonus features will also include documentary segments with the band as a follow up to The Spirit Carries On movie.
~ :sadpanda:
~ :tup
~ :omg:
Why sad panda on the 10 cameras? That's a very good thing.
Quote from: ReaPsTA on August 10, 2012, 03:16:56 PM
Quote from: wasteland on August 10, 2012, 03:07:58 PM
QuoteThe Concert DVD will showcase the best of this two-night live event filmed with up to 10 cameras and ultimately released on BluRay disc. Bonus features will also include documentary segments with the band as a follow up to The Spirit Carries On movie.
~ :sadpanda:
~ :tup
~ :omg:
Why sad panda on the 10 cameras? That's a very good thing.
There could have been 20! Joking, of course, it's great indeed! The sad panda is referred to the "best of the two nights" bit. I was one of the few to actually believe that both nights would have been completely released.. Hence the sadness.
Keep in mind that although we won't be getting the entire 2 shows on the DVD, the recent announcement that the South American shows are basically in "Evening With" format offsets this somewhat.
Quote from: JoeG on August 10, 2012, 03:22:32 PM
Keep in mind that although we won't be getting the entire 2 shows on the DVD, the recent announcement that the South American shows are basically in "Evening With" format offsets this somewhat.
The continuity issue is not resolved, though. Anyway, as long as it's 3h or more worth of material, I'll call myself a satisfied fan. :)
I can't wait to get my hands on the blu ray
Thanks, Joe. You beat me to it. I edited your post to include the full text.
Now that that has been released, as if you weren't excited enough, I can share a small snippet of something John Petrucci told me last week as well:
Quote from: John PetrucciWe will release it on Blu Ray and there are so many goodies that we'd like to include to make it fun for our fans. We may have to make some tough decisions! . . . We are actually developing something unbelievably cool for this release. You will flip!
Hope that keeps y'all stoked. I can definitely say that John and the guys are committed to continuing in the tradition of trying to think of what the fans want as opposed to just releasing a basic concert DVD.
Quote from: JoeG on August 10, 2012, 03:22:32 PM
Keep in mind that although we won't be getting the entire 2 shows on the DVD, the recent announcement that the South American shows are basically in "Evening With" format offsets this somewhat.
But of course this makes me giddy in wondering if then they will change up some of the songs, so that two 3-hour shows can become one 4-hour DVD/BD experience.
No reason why this can't be a 2 BluRay disc set... Standard & Ultimate collectors edition?
Quote from: wasteland on August 10, 2012, 03:20:31 PM
There could have been 20! Joking, of course, it's great indeed! The sad panda is referred to the "best of the two nights" bit. I was one of the few to actually believe that both nights would have been completely released.. Hence the sadness.
Why would you possibly want two identical versions of songs that make up 75% of the setlists? Even if it were possible to put both entire shows on one disc and also all of the extras would you really watch Show 1 one day then Show 2 the next?
Quote from: PetFish on August 10, 2012, 04:49:17 PM
Quote from: wasteland on August 10, 2012, 03:20:31 PM
There could have been 20! Joking, of course, it's great indeed! The sad panda is referred to the "best of the two nights" bit. I was one of the few to actually believe that both nights would have been completely released.. Hence the sadness.
Why would you possibly want two identical versions of songs that make up 75% of the setlists? Even if it were possible to put both entire shows on one disc and also all of the extras would you really watch Show 1 one day then Show 2 the next?
Yeah, this. Plus, again, go back to my earlier post. JP said there is more potential bonus material than they have space for. I'd rather have space for more bonus content than have songs duplicated. What they are doing makes perfect sense.
Quote from: bosk1 on August 10, 2012, 04:56:19 PM
Quote from: PetFish on August 10, 2012, 04:49:17 PM
Quote from: wasteland on August 10, 2012, 03:20:31 PM
There could have been 20! Joking, of course, it's great indeed! The sad panda is referred to the "best of the two nights" bit. I was one of the few to actually believe that both nights would have been completely released.. Hence the sadness.
Why would you possibly want two identical versions of songs that make up 75% of the setlists? Even if it were possible to put both entire shows on one disc and also all of the extras would you really watch Show 1 one day then Show 2 the next?
Yeah, this. Plus, again, go back to my earlier post. JP said there is more potential bonus material than they have space for. I'd rather have space for more bonus content than have songs duplicated. What they are doing makes perfect sense.
This. Couldn't agree more. I'm really excited for the potential 'goodies' that they guys are preparing for the tour. I'm also really excited that they are keeping up the tradition that Portnoy did by also doing a lot of 'goodies' for the other DVD releases.
...and now knowing that the band has said (1) they are going to have to make some tough decisions about what to include and what not to include, and (2) they care what the fans want: If only there were a thread with a poll where people could express their opinions about what they would like to see on this project. :justjen If only...
Not sure I follow, bosky... :justjen
I wish it was one show rather than a compilation of two, but as long as it doesn't sound like Chaos In Motion, I'll be happy.
Quote from: PetFish on August 10, 2012, 03:09:59 PM
Quote from: ReaPsTA on August 10, 2012, 03:00:52 PM
I love that they're shooting this in South America. The DT fans down there are fucking loud. They'll get a huge energy boost in the final product.
Disagree 100%.
As long as the crowd doesn't overpower the band who I actually want to hear I'm ok with it.
:facepalm:
Quote from: Zook on August 10, 2012, 05:46:27 PM
I wish it was one show rather than a compilation of two, but as long as it doesn't sound like Chaos In Motion, I'll be happy.
I hear they are going to be super experimental and get the audio from the show from one lucky fans cell phone recording. Should be super prog.
Great news! (https://youtu.be/95RPczLZXRQ)
I...I almost sort of feel rickrolled just now.
Quote from: Progmetty on August 10, 2012, 05:52:54 PM
Good news everyone! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D1cap6yETA)
Fixed.
You can definitely tell Mike Portnoy was the producer / director on Chaos In Motion because it sounds like Ass & Balls.
Quote from: Kotowboy on August 10, 2012, 05:56:18 PM
You can definitely tell Mike Portnoy was the producer / director on Chaos In Motion because it sounds like Ass & Balls.
:tup
Very nice.
Quote from: Adami on August 10, 2012, 05:49:05 PM
Quote from: Zook on August 10, 2012, 05:46:27 PM
I wish it was one show rather than a compilation of two, but as long as it doesn't sound like Chaos In Motion, I'll be happy.
I hear they are going to be super experimental and get the audio from the show from one lucky fans cell phone recording. Should be super prog.
Really?! I hope they pick mine!
Raawkk! Thanks for the updates Joe and Bosk.
Please let there be a commentary.
Quote from: Madman Shepherd on August 10, 2012, 07:00:51 PM
Please let there be a commentary.
If only there were a thread where you could vote on that...
Blu-Ray!! Hell yeah!!
Is the setlist pretty much locked in at this point? A few songs have already been recorded once or more times live...
Quote from: gagedez on August 10, 2012, 09:11:11 PM
Is the setlist pretty much locked in at this point? A few songs have already been recorded once or more times live...
I'm 99% sure TSCO will be on this DVD as well. Which means it's one track I'll be skipping.
I can't wait to see this. Finally a DT live concert on Blu-Ray!!! :tup :tup
And I echo the comments about the crowds down there. Loud crowds made live concerts that much more awesome. :coolio
I still wonder if they are saving a song or two they haven't played at all this year for those shows. I remember that Innocence Faded hadn't been played in forever until like two weeks before the Score show, it got played a few more times and then showed up on the Score set list.
Quote from: KevShmev on August 10, 2012, 09:53:31 PM
I can't wait to see this. Finally a DT live concert on Blu-Ray!!! :tup :tup
And I echo the comments about the crowds down there. Loud crowds made live concerts that much more awesome. :coolio
I still wonder if they are saving a song or two they haven't played at all this year for those shows. I remember that Innocence Faded hadn't been played in forever until like two weeks before the Score show, it got played a few more times and then showed up on the Score set list.
Assuming DT don't lose complete touch with their fan base, then it's pretty certain that To Live Forever will show up on the DVD. However I (sadly) doubt any songs will show up on the DVD that have not been played this tour yet. Although since they did whip out Another Day and TLF randomly, I guess it's possible.
Quote from: KevShmev on August 10, 2012, 09:53:31 PM
I can't wait to see this. Finally a DT live concert on Blu-Ray!!! :tup :tup
Live At Budokan is on Blu-ray.
Quote from: Adami on August 10, 2012, 09:12:04 PM
Quote from: gagedez on August 10, 2012, 09:11:11 PM
Is the setlist pretty much locked in at this point? A few songs have already been recorded once or more times live...
I'm 99% sure TSCO will be on this DVD as well. Which means it's one track I'll be skipping.
My thoughts exactly...
Quote from: Pockets17red on August 10, 2012, 10:17:46 PM
Quote from: KevShmev on August 10, 2012, 09:53:31 PM
I can't wait to see this. Finally a DT live concert on Blu-Ray!!! :tup :tup
Live At Budokan is on Blu-ray.
Oh yeah, I forgot that that was recently released on Blu-Ray. My bad.
Quote from: KevShmev on August 10, 2012, 10:19:42 PM
Quote from: Pockets17red on August 10, 2012, 10:17:46 PM
Quote from: KevShmev on August 10, 2012, 09:53:31 PM
I can't wait to see this. Finally a DT live concert on Blu-Ray!!! :tup :tup
Live At Budokan is on Blu-ray.
Oh yeah, I forgot that that was recently released on Blu-Ray. My bad.
No problem. You should get that, it is quite awesome. Definitely an improvement over the DVD.
Maybe. I don't even have the Budokan DVD anymore, and I didn't watch it that much when I did have it, so while the Blu-Ray would be sweet, not sure if it is still something I'd ever really watch. And with this new one on the way here pretty soon, I might just wait for that. :D
Quote from: Madman Shepherd on August 10, 2012, 08:06:19 PM
Quote from: bosk1 on August 10, 2012, 07:03:06 PM
Quote from: Madman Shepherd on August 10, 2012, 07:00:51 PM
Please let there be a commentary.
If only there were a thread where you could vote on that...
If only...
Is bosk implying that the thread to vote on what you would like to see most on the new DVD will have a real impact? ;)
Quote from: KevShmev on August 10, 2012, 09:53:31 PM
I can't wait to see this. Finally a DT live concert on Blu-Ray!!! :tup :tup
And I echo the comments about the crowds down there. Loud crowds made live concerts that much more awesome. :coolio
I still wonder if they are saving a song or two they haven't played at all this year for those shows. I remember that Innocence Faded hadn't been played in forever until like two weeks before the Score show, it got played a few more times and then showed up on the Score set list.
I'm really hoping they pull out a few songs like this. I'd love to see To Live Forever on the DVD as well as Overture 1928/Strange DejaVu (in place of the heavily rotated 'The Spirit Carries On'), Peruvian Skies, and Caught In A Web.
Exciting news is exciting. :corn
Interesting. I hope they'll pull out some rare gems for the DVD, but I'm honestly fine with whatever.
This Blu-ray can't come soon enough. Any ideas on when this will come out? Score was filmed on April 1st, 2006 and released in late August later that year, so can we hope for a December release date?
Quote from: DTFan0789 on August 11, 2012, 10:45:35 AM
This Blu-ray can't come soon enough. Any ideas on when this will come out? Score was filmed on April 1st, 2006 and released in late August later that year, so can we hope for a December release date?
MP would have released it already.
I have a feeling that the special goodies will push us fans...
over the edge :neverusethis:
Well we already are fairly
Close to the Edge :lol
Hey guys, look.....another pun that is over the edge
(https://spoutingoff.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/the_edge_js534682.jpg)
No Adami, not you too.
:neverusethis:
Quote from: DTFan0789 on August 11, 2012, 10:45:35 AM
This Blu-ray can't come soon enough. Any ideas on when this will come out? Score was filmed on April 1st, 2006 and released in late August later that year, so can we hope for a December release date?
I would expect some time in the Spring of next year. Especially since there will be over 5 hours of concert footage to choose the best of the repeated songs, edit everything, sync up to make the film have continuity and not be awkward, film and edit the interviews, documentary and record the possible commentary, etc, etc. This DVD/Blu-ray will take the longest time to make, IMO.
Quote from: Pockets17red on August 11, 2012, 11:35:22 AM
Quote from: DTFan0789 on August 11, 2012, 10:45:35 AM
This Blu-ray can't come soon enough. Any ideas on when this will come out? Score was filmed on April 1st, 2006 and released in late August later that year, so can we hope for a December release date?
I would expect some time in the Spring of next year.
I....I can't wait that long. This has to come out by January at the latest.
Quote from: DTFan0789 on August 11, 2012, 11:37:22 AM
Quote from: Pockets17red on August 11, 2012, 11:35:22 AM
Quote from: DTFan0789 on August 11, 2012, 10:45:35 AM
This Blu-ray can't come soon enough. Any ideas on when this will come out? Score was filmed on April 1st, 2006 and released in late August later that year, so can we hope for a December release date?
I would expect some time in the Spring of next year.
I....I can't wait that long. This has to come out by January at the latest.
Don't count on it. I expect March or April, and making a Blu-ray doesn't help with time, to encode the footage for blu-ray takes a looooooong time and burning the disc will be time consuming as well.
Quote from: PetFish on August 10, 2012, 03:09:59 PM
Quote from: ReaPsTA on August 10, 2012, 03:00:52 PM
I love that they're shooting this in South America. The DT fans down there are fucking loud. They'll get a huge energy boost in the final product.
Disagree 100%.
As long as the crowd doesn't overpower the band who I actually want to hear I'm ok with it.
This. South American crowds are great and energetic, but the rhythmical 'hey, hey' chanting they always do gets on my nerves fast. I wouldn't want that plaguing the DVD.
I was watching the Chile bootleg the other day and found that the crowd was really good and added to the energy. Before the encore, it seems that its customary to go say "oh" on a very rhythmic manner. It was interesting to watch. The only thing that bugs me was whenever there was a build-up, you could hear them just saying "Dream, Dream, Dream" over and over again and it didn't make sense
When you are part of that crowd it makes total sense. Trust me :)
I get that, and I love the enthusiasm. It's an adjustment for me
Ever since I attended my first DT concert in '93, I've discovered that Dream Theater is *INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT* to chant.
:mehlin
I'd rather see one show in it's whole than two where they'll cut and paste the best parts. :-\ I hope they mix up the setlist a bit.
I hope they decide to release the better of the two shows, and have bonus songs from the other night which weren't included in the main show's set, maybe as part of the bonus features. Then everyone would be happy.
Quote from: Blackfield on August 12, 2012, 01:21:15 AM
I'd rather see one show in it's whole than two where they'll cut and paste the best parts. :-\ I hope they mix up the setlist a bit.
Why? Bands do shoot over too nights all the time, and most of the time you'd never know unless someone told you first-- and then you'd still be pressed to find evidence. Some extremely classic (And very good recent) live albums/videos were shot over two nights.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on August 12, 2012, 09:30:43 AM
Quote from: Blackfield on August 12, 2012, 01:21:15 AM
I'd rather see one show in it's whole than two where they'll cut and paste the best parts. :-\ I hope they mix up the setlist a bit.
Why? Bands do shoot over too nights all the time, and most of the time you'd never know unless someone told you first-- and then you'd still be pressed to find evidence. Some extremely classic (And very good recent) live albums/videos were shot over two nights.
This. As long as it isn't done badly, then I have no problems with this. Live After Death was shot over two nights as well and it's one of the best live albums that I know.
So was Queen Rock Montreal (and most Queen DVDs) and Rush's Snakes and Arrows Live. And Porcupine Tree's Anesthetize. And lots of other concert videos. And tons of classic live albums like Yessongs and Made in Japan.
If a band can manage to sell-out a big venue two nights in a row, filming over both those nights is a win-win. Not only do we fans get more material, but we get better performances of the really important material that got played both nights.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on August 12, 2012, 09:51:59 AM
If a band can manage to sell-out a big venue two nights in a row, filming over both those nights is a win-win. Not only do we fans get more material, but we get better performances of the really important material that got played both nights.
Exactly. We get the best of both nights, the best performance of the songs and the play between band and audience.
Without trying to offend anyone here on the DTF from South America I only have one bad suspicion about filming the show in Argentina and that is that I know that the crowds in South America love to do sing along to the guitar parts. I know many bands LOVE that, but I find it rather annoying.
I don't know why everyone is so ocncerned about the crowd singing along.
First off, they'll be getting their raw tracks out of the sound board. They don't just stick 2 mics in the stadium and record it that way. Secondly, they'll have a few mics around the crowd and mix in what they think is appropriate. They're not shooting this with camera phones. Then they'll go back and mix everything and add effects or change whatever they need to to balance the sound, etc in the mixing stage.
Relax, it'll be awesome! ;D
Quote from: johncal on August 12, 2012, 01:03:35 PM
I don't know why everyone is so ocncerned about the crowd singing along.
First off, they'll be getting their raw tracks out of the sound board. They don't just stick 2 mics in the stadium and record it that way. Secondly, they'll have a few mics around the crowd and mix in what they think is appropriate. They're not shooting this with camera phones. Then they'll go back and mix everything and add effects or change whatever they need to to balance the sound, etc in the mixing stage.
Relax, it'll be awesome! ;D
I think the concern is that the crowd will be too high in the mix, and I think it's a legitimate concern as there have been times when the crowd is too loud in the final mix of other live albums. Two that come to my mind are Rush in Rio and Rush's Grace Under Pressure Tour video - I love both those recordings, but don't like the fact that the audience is as loud as it is throughout those shows. Not that I want it to sound sterile like a straight from the soundboard recording (where there's almost no audience sound) - I (and I assume others) just don't want it to be overpowering.
And hopefully it isn't like Van Halen's live CD where the crowd cheering is a constant loop. They took a snippet of the crowd cheering wildly and looped it throughout the 2.5 hour CD. It's really bad once you pick up on it.
God, Van Halen made a really bad live CD/DVD.
^^
I would refer you (johncal) to Rush in Rio which is unlistenable due the crowd chanting the entire time thereby completely ruining the show and basically taking my money that I paid for it and cramming it into the shredder.
This is my fear for this new DT release and I will be extremely disappointed and pissed-off if I can't hear the music for the noise. You want to sing along to the WORDS? Great. You want to clap along with James if he decides to be a frontman? Sweet. You want to chant the guitar solos and quiet piano parts and clap and scream during Beneath the Surface? STFU.
^^^
Couldn't agree more. I'm extremely worried that the crowd will be too high in the mix that it completely ruins the DVD for me.
I've only heard YYZ from Rush in Rio and I enjoyed it. Even the instrumentals they chant to. :lol
I don't really have a problem with that though, the energy is almost palpable on the live CD which I find to be quite unique. Although, now that I am listening more to Rush In Rio, (as I type this, I have Tom Sawyer) I do kind of see what you mean. They chant to everything which is kind of getting annoying...
^^
I pay to hear Dream Theater, not a bunch of yahoos taking over the concert. If that's the case, they should advertise it like "Dream Theater LIVE with special guests the entire population of South America and their world-famous, overly-loud chanting" and then at least I'd know what I was buying... but then I wouldn't buy it cuz I wouldn't be able to hear what I want to hear.
You guys are goofy. The louder, the better, I say. If you want the songs with no crowd noise, that is what the studio albums are for. Besides, bands feed off energetic crowds, which in turn results in a better performance, visually and musically.
Quote from: KevShmev on August 12, 2012, 01:29:13 PM
You guys are goofy. The louder, the better, I say. If you want the songs with no crowd noise, that is what the studio albums are for. Besides, bands feed off energetic crowds, which in turn results in a better performance, visually and musically.
This. A loud crowd will definitely not ruin the DVD for me.
Quote from: KevShmev on August 12, 2012, 01:29:13 PM
You guys are goofy. The louder, the better, I say. If you want the songs with no crowd noise, that is what the studio albums are for. Besides, bands feed off energetic crowds, which in turn results in a better performance, visually and musically.
Unless you are Van Halen. Then you still get a crappy cut/paste live DVD :P
Quote from: KevShmev on August 12, 2012, 01:29:13 PM
You guys are goofy. The louder, the better, I say. If you want the songs with no crowd noise, that is what the studio albums are for. Besides, bands feed off energetic crowds, which in turn results in a better performance, visually and musically.
I think the key is to be balanced with how much crowd noise is in the mix. Not to be sterile, but not overpowering either. I get that the band feeds off energetic crowds, and I want the band to have that (can't tell you how disappointed I've been with the crowds in southern California), BUT I don't need to hear that loudly throughout the entire show. At key times, sure. But to have the crowd noise high in the mix throughout the show takes away from the recording. If you want the audience that high in the mix, listen to an audience bootleg from those shows. :P
Quote from: Setlist Scotty on August 12, 2012, 01:58:29 PM
Quote from: KevShmev on August 12, 2012, 01:29:13 PM
You guys are goofy. The louder, the better, I say. If you want the songs with no crowd noise, that is what the studio albums are for. Besides, bands feed off energetic crowds, which in turn results in a better performance, visually and musically.
I think the key is to be balanced with how much crowd noise is in the mix. Not to be sterile, but not overpowering either. I get that the band feeds off energetic crowds, and I want the band to have that (can't tell you how disappointed I've been with the crowds in southern California), BUT I don't need to hear that loudly throughout the entire show. At key times, sure. But to have the crowd noise high in the mix throughout the show takes away from the recording. If you want the audience that high in the mix, listen to an audience bootleg from those shows. :P
Except live albums have far better sound quality than bootleg recordings. I'm with Kev on this. Frankly Rush in Rio is the perfect example of what a live album should be. The crowd of that show makes me feel like I'm at the show when I'm watching guys up on stage.
The crowd noise is one of the reasons Death On The Road is my favorite live Maiden album.
I thought the crowd noise on Score was pretty spot on.
I wouldn't mind hearing the chanting throughout, as long as I can still hear the band clearly.
I just don't want to have to wait a full pregnancy for this Blu-ray to come out. If they work hard everyday, then there's no reason why they can't have it out by December. Again, Score was recorded in April and released in August.
I think it's now a matter of Over the Edge productions and how fast they produce and edit the whole thing (and how fast the audio's mixed).
Quote from: KevShmev on August 12, 2012, 01:29:13 PM
You guys are goofy. The louder, the better, I say. If you want the songs with no crowd noise, that is what the studio albums are for. Besides, bands feed off energetic crowds, which in turn results in a better performance, visually and musically.
Fucking THIS.
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on August 12, 2012, 06:16:00 PM
I think it's now a matter of Over the Edge productions and how fast they produce and edit the whole thing (and how fast the audio's mixed).
Which is awesome. I love that they are bringing a professional company into the fold for this DVD. They are professionals, so you know it will be good.
Quote from: ResultsMayVary on August 12, 2012, 06:34:13 PM
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on August 12, 2012, 06:16:00 PM
I think it's now a matter of Over the Edge productions and how fast they produce and edit the whole thing (and how fast the audio's mixed).
Which is awesome. I love that they are bringing a professional company into the fold for this DVD. They are professionals, so you know it will be good.
Yep. Their work on TSCO was really good, so we already have an example or their work.
Woah. Why is everyone getting so anxious about the crowd noise? I for one would love to finally see a DT show with good crowd participation, considering both Live at Budokan and Score are like watching DT perform in front of the Terra Cotta warriors.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on August 12, 2012, 07:31:08 PM
Woah. Why is everyone getting so anxious about the crowd noise? I for one would love to finally see a DT show with good crowd participation, considering both Live at Budokan and Score are like watching DT perform in front of the Terra Cotta warriors.
At least the Terra Cotta warriors have a good taste in music.
Just went back and listened to the end of Learning To Live on Once in A Livetime when the crowd chants the keyboard line. It's fucking awesome. Nevermind my previous posts, if the new DVD is like this, it will be amazing
Quote from: Adami on August 10, 2012, 09:12:04 PM
Quote from: gagedez on August 10, 2012, 09:11:11 PM
Is the setlist pretty much locked in at this point? A few songs have already been recorded once or more times live...
I'm 99% sure TSCO will be on this DVD as well. Which means it's one track I'll be skipping.
Serious question: will you also "pout" if War Inside My Head/The Test That Stumped Them All makes it again as well, which would made it 3 out of the last 4 live DVDs (vs 3 out of the last 5 for The Spirit Carries On)?
And I use the word "pout" affectionately. :biggrin:
I don't dislike those two songs as much as I dislike TSCO.
Honestly, I don't care what songs are featured on this release. Just give me pro-shot video from this tour and I'll be sound as a pound.
Quote from: KevShmev on August 12, 2012, 09:03:08 PM
if War Inside My Head/The Test That Stumped Them All makes it again as well
I kinda hope not.
I'd rather see The Great Debate on the DVD, personally.
I really wouldn't be surprised if they did a crazy version of SDV. Jordan And James already did it and I feel like DT needs to pull out some crazy stuff for this DVD. I'd like a good recording of Another Day as well as a new instrumedley.
I don't have any issues with crowd noise. It is singing the guitar riffs that gets to me - the crowd can make as much noise as they like otherwise :biggrin:
The only thing about crowds that piss me off (aside from bootlegs where some drunk guy is singing louder than anything) is them attempting to clap before the drums come in and being WAY off time.
It reminds of that video I saw of Pain of Salvation where they started playing a song, then stopped cause the audience clapping was throwing them off. Then they started again, then they stopped again. Daniel had to teach the audience had to clap in off time.
Usually Prog fans are good with clapping :D
I always remember what my worship leader told me before a school chapel:
"I want a crazy chapel with these rockin' songs, but I don't want you guys to get everybody clapping! A room full of white people can not be counted on to keep time."
I guess I'm the one who don't like crowd noise and clapping. I mean, yes, the atmosphere and energy add something to the live performance at some level but this is the DVD you can't get everytime. Since this DVD belongs to my favourite band I just want to focus their live performances instead of irritating and abrasive crowd's inharmonious singing and clapping.
^^
To help your point I shall cite an example for you with that awful and completely inappropriate up-tempo "happy" clapping in The Answer Lies Within from Score. Super lame.
By all means, sing the WORDS. Cheer when James yells "how we doin'". Clap along and headbang at appropriate times. But DO NOT SING THE F*CKING GUITAR AND KEYBOARD SOLOS.
Or, how about the men sing the bass lines and the 5-10 women sing the leads? Why don't we try that? Sound ridiculous? Where's the line? Get Scatman Jack to do Mangini's parts and you have a full-on three-ring circus.
The only way to please everyone is to have an audience overdrive track and a band-only track but I wake up in a dead sweat every night with horrible thoughts of Dream Theater meets Rush in Rio. *shudder*
Yeah, well that's where the editing comes in. That has nothing to do with the audience. Sometimes a good audience can change songs forever.
Think of how the crowd chants have basically become a part of "Fear of the Dark".
And don't even act like this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkapxf2ZeEw) isn't magical.
Imagine hearing Creeping Death live without the loud chanting from the audience. Ew.
^^
I don't have to act, that's absolutely AWFUL. Halfway through all I can think about is how off the clapping is which takes me even further out of the moment. Holy crap that is horrible. If I paid good money to go see a show WTF am I paying to go see/hear? Apparently, not the actual BAND, so why don't we all just gather around a campfire with 80,000 people and sing the songs ourselves? The band doesn't even need to show up. Total garbage.
:chill
PetFish, maybe live music isn't your thing. :P
When it matters "band's hits" it's completely natural that crowd goes crazy. Like Pull Me Under, As I Am, Forsaken or such... I'm not complaining about that. I meant the "whole" concert with the crowd's singing and clapping. Man, if it is even inharmonious I can't watch.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on August 13, 2012, 12:07:55 AM
Yeah, well that's where the editing comes in. That has nothing to do with the audience. Sometimes a good audience can change songs forever.
Think of how the crowd chants have basically become a part of "Fear of the Dark".
Exactly the song I think of when I think about audiences chiming into songs. Being a part of this twice at a concert it gives me chills every time I hear this song. I love when audiences are loud and vocal. As long as the mixing of the music is good on the DVD then it's probably a good thing to have.
Quote from: PetFish on August 12, 2012, 11:47:41 PM
Scatman Jack
Scatman
John >:(
Quote from: Perpetual Change on August 13, 2012, 12:07:55 AM
Yeah, well that's where the editing comes in. That has nothing to do with the audience. Sometimes a good audience can change songs forever.
Think of how the crowd chants have basically become a part of "Fear of the Dark".
And don't even act like this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkapxf2ZeEw) isn't magical.
This
I love the "hey" part in AtsS like this:
Live at Toronto 2012 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX_qz1U20ws#t=06m19s)
but not like this:
Live at Donnington 1992 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nERoMgzCO8#t=02m50s)
Quote from: PetFish on August 13, 2012, 01:21:41 AM
^^
I don't have to act, that's absolutely AWFUL. Halfway through all I can think about is how off the clapping is which takes me even further out of the moment. Holy crap that is horrible. If I paid good money to go see a show WTF am I paying to go see/hear? Apparently, not the actual BAND, so why don't we all just gather around a campfire with 80,000 people and sing the songs ourselves? The band doesn't even need to show up. Total garbage.
I don't know, but if these are the things you really fret over before going to see shows then maybe you ought to just stay in with the studio albums. Going to concerts isn't about you. It's about you, and the band, and all the other fans, all getting together sharing something awesome. If someone else clapping takes you "out of the moment" then I'd say you're just not getting what the moment is all about, because you've got this idea in your head that the band is giving YOU ALONE a show, and you feel like everyone else should shut-up and enjoy it the same way you would.
Sorry if this sounds sardonic, but seriously? Dream Theater's last three DVDs have featured audiences that were relatively stationary. Plus, Dream Theater have eleven great studio albums you can listen to for that ultra-personal experience you seem to be craving. Are you really going to be that upset if DT release one DVD where the crowd is a bit louder than usual? Would you rather DT release a "Live from the Studio" type thing instead?
Dream Theater are in the middle of filming what could possibly be their biggest, best, highest-budget concert ever, and it's going to be extra-long because it'll be filmed over two nights, and we've been told there's gonna be all sorts of really cool bonuses. And some people here are practically freaking out, because they're filming it in South America where audiences are intense and like to sing and clap their hands. Sorry, but to that all I have to say on this discussion is "Never Enough" ;D
Quote from: Perpetual Change on August 13, 2012, 03:16:26 AM
And some people here are practically freaking out, because they're filming it in South America where audiences are intense and like to sing and clap their hands. Sorry, but to that all I have to say on this discussion is "Never Enough" ;D
Don't exaggerate, the problem isn't with singing and clapping for the most of us, that's great. The problem is when they obnoxiously imitate riffs and solos and chant 'hey, hey' every chance they get. Just keep that type of tedious crowd noise low on the mix.
Everyone must enjoy concerts in the same way.
Quote from: bosk1 on August 10, 2012, 03:33:26 PM
We are actually developing something unbelievably cool for this release. You will flip!
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NOOOOO HE SHOULD HAVE SAID STELLAR. We agreed on stellar.
Also, if you guys really think the crowd will be able to chant along Dream Theater solos, I hate to break it to ya, but that actually
is a bit too hard to do casually :biggrin:
Some people enjoy some stuff and some people don't and that's fine. I'm not gonna criticize other people for not liking the same things I do but I do think people need to stop complaining about things that are not under your control. If you don't like loud crowds then you will probably need to pass on this DVD, no one is forcing you to buy it. Everyone will sing every part of the lyrics, everyone will chant hey, hey and other stuff and when the riffs allow it, people will also chant to them. That is a fact.
I'm sure the crowd is going to be nuts at the shows, but I trust whoever is mixing the audio to have the discretion to know when it's appropriate to mix it louder or softer to enhance the experience. The enthusiasm of the crowd can still shine through without it being overbearing, and overwhelming the band.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on August 13, 2012, 03:16:26 AM
Quote from: PetFish on August 13, 2012, 01:21:41 AM
^^
I don't have to act, that's absolutely AWFUL. Halfway through all I can think about is how off the clapping is which takes me even further out of the moment. Holy crap that is horrible. If I paid good money to go see a show WTF am I paying to go see/hear? Apparently, not the actual BAND, so why don't we all just gather around a campfire with 80,000 people and sing the songs ourselves? The band doesn't even need to show up. Total garbage.
I don't know, but if these are the things you really fret over before going to see shows then maybe you ought to just stay in with the studio albums. Going to concerts isn't about you. It's about you, and the band, and all the other fans, all getting together sharing something awesome. If someone else clapping takes you "out of the moment" then I'd say you're just not getting what the moment is all about, because you've got this idea in your head that the band is giving YOU ALONE a show, and you feel like everyone else should shut-up and enjoy it the same way you would.
Sorry if this sounds sardonic, but seriously? Dream Theater's last three DVDs have featured audiences that were relatively stationary. Plus, Dream Theater have eleven great studio albums you can listen to for that ultra-personal experience you seem to be craving. Are you really going to be that upset if DT release one DVD where the crowd is a bit louder than usual? Would you rather DT release a "Live from the Studio" type thing instead?
Dream Theater are in the middle of filming what could possibly be their biggest, best, highest-budget concert ever, and it's going to be extra-long because it'll be filmed over two nights, and we've been told there's gonna be all sorts of really cool bonuses. And some people here are practically freaking out, because they're filming it in South America where audiences are intense and like to sing and clap their hands.
Well said. :tup :tup
I was about to "third" that, Kev. But then I noticed you omitted the all-important last sentence of his post. ;)
Quote from: Perpetual Change on August 13, 2012, 12:07:55 AM
Yeah, well that's where the editing comes in. That has nothing to do with the audience. Sometimes a good audience can change songs forever.
Think of how the crowd chants have basically become a part of "Fear of the Dark".
And don't even act like this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkapxf2ZeEw) isn't magical.
This is an instance where I find it really annoying: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkZu_aAzJgA , sure it might be cool because it is spontaneous joy and passion from the crowd but when you are at home on your headphones stuff like that gets annoying to listen to if you want to enjoy a bands live releases.
Speaking of crowd participation, this is one of my favorite youtube clips of DT. Obviously it's a cell phone cam or digital camera but if the crowd is intense as this how can the DVD not be awesome. Like others have mentioned, we already have Budokon and Score with mellow crowds, time for something a little different.
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Sorry here is link
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJDODbEkNbI
Quote from: 6sAllTheWay on August 13, 2012, 08:57:44 AM
Quote from: Perpetual Change on August 13, 2012, 12:07:55 AM
Yeah, well that's where the editing comes in. That has nothing to do with the audience. Sometimes a good audience can change songs forever.
Think of how the crowd chants have basically become a part of "Fear of the Dark".
And don't even act like this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkapxf2ZeEw) isn't magical.
This is an instance where I find it really annoying: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkZu_aAzJgA , sure it might be cool because it is spontaneous joy and passion from the crowd but when you are at home on your headphones stuff like that gets annoying to listen to if you want to enjoy a bands live releases.
I always get goosebumps when I watch that video.
Now, Mustaine is so much in love with the Argentinian crowds and specifically with that chant that he probably requested the sound technician to keep the crowd volume high in that part. I don't think you'll see anything like that in the DT DVD but then again, JP said in an interview that they liked the idea of filming this in South America so that people from the rest of the world could see how fans in SA are.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on August 13, 2012, 06:37:29 AM
I'm sure the crowd is going to be nuts at the shows, but I trust whoever is mixing the audio to have the discretion to know when it's appropriate to mix it louder or softer to enhance the experience. The enthusiasm of the crowd can still shine through without it being overbearing, and overwhelming the band.
This. I don't think we have much to worry about even if the crowd is overly obnoxious.
I guess I made that post in the wrong thread:
I don't mind reasonable audience noise, which was never a problem in previous DT DVD so I dunno why we're worried. I really to hear big sing alongs though, it has a powerful effect. Besides; isn't it safe to assume that JP is going to have very close supervision over the audio mixing in the production stage of the DVD?
Sorry, Scatman John, I don't listen to that style of music and just pulled that name out of my ass.
Never Enough? Really you guys? This has nothing to do with that type of attitude so get over yourselves. There's no issue with DT here at all, only the crowd noise, and "never enough" is completely uncalled for. Maybe you should be saying that to the whiners who are bitching about a possible editing problem with two consecutive shows who'll complain "JP was smiling in one shot but in the very next he wasn't" cuz you know they'll be here the day after release.
I love live shows and would go to more if I could... just not in South America or Europe so saying " maybe live shows aren't for me" is also inappropriate and passive-aggressive.
I feel Japanese crowds are too quiet, Europe and SA crowds are too loud, and North America has a nice blend (just not Vancouver, we may as well be Japan here).
Ultimately, we'll just have to wait for the final product, I just hope we don't get a Rush in Rio.
Actually, I think North American crowds suck (with lots of respect, my fellow americans).
I'm with PetFish on his recent point. ^
This whole problem can be solved as long as the crowd is properly mixed in the DVD. I want to primarily hear the band, not the crowd. It is certainly possible for the band to easily edit the crowd noise and bring down the volume so they don't overpower the band in the mix. As long as that happens, I will be happy. Like other people have said, I want to hear the live band on the live DVD, not the live band accompanied by the entire population of South America.
Quote from: PetFish on August 13, 2012, 12:23:51 PM
I feel Japanese crowds are too quiet, Europe and SA crowds are too loud, and North America has a nice blend (just not Vancouver, we may as well be Japan here).
Is Vancouver typically bad? Having seen shows in Toronto and hearing what bands usually say about shows, I thought Canada was typically a way more active crowd than anywhere in the states. For example, seeing Muse in Detroit was made a lot lamer by the audience. Though it was still awesome because Muse.
Sounds like the dvd is going to be fantastic! Really looking forward to it! :metal
These news make me worried, if they're going to merge the two shows or just cut a few songs off of them considering it's going to be "the best of the two nights", it'd be pretty hard to feature both pairs of acoustic songs, or both of the songs they rotate on a certain album etc (6:00 / Caught in a Web for example). I hope they'll handle it right.
Quote from: IdoSC on August 13, 2012, 03:39:21 PM
These news make me worried, if they're going to merge the two shows or just cut a few songs off of them considering it's going to be "the best of the two nights", it'd be pretty hard to feature both pairs of acoustic songs, or both of the songs they rotate on a certain album etc (6:00 / Caught in a Web for example). I hope they'll handle it right.
I'm certain they will handle it well. These shows are 2 hours and 30 minutes long, so let's say there is approximately 30 minutes of different music between each night. Every song that is played both nights will feature the ideal performance, which makes about 2 hours, plus the 30 minutes of differing songs between each night, making a 3-hour live DVD, which is close to what every DVD since LAB has been.
Quote from: GasparXR on August 13, 2012, 03:44:57 PM
Quote from: IdoSC on August 13, 2012, 03:39:21 PM
These news make me worried, if they're going to merge the two shows or just cut a few songs off of them considering it's going to be "the best of the two nights", it'd be pretty hard to feature both pairs of acoustic songs, or both of the songs they rotate on a certain album etc (6:00 / Caught in a Web for example). I hope they'll handle it right.
I'm certain they will handle it well. These shows are 2 hours and 30 minutes long, so let's say there is approximately 30 minutes of different music between each night. Every song that is played both nights will feature the ideal performance, which makes about 2 hours, plus the 30 minutes of differing songs between each night, making a 3-hour live DVD, which is close to what every DVD since LAB has been.
Well, the whole tour had a pretty damn large amount of songs played in it. I'm being optimistic and I hope that they might make the 2 nights so different that they'd throw To Live Forever right at our faces, along with the 3 tracks from Awake, The Great Debate, etc. Expecting only 30 minutes of difference between both nights might be a little more realistic though.
Quote from: GasparXR on August 13, 2012, 03:44:57 PM
Quote from: IdoSC on August 13, 2012, 03:39:21 PM
These news make me worried, if they're going to merge the two shows or just cut a few songs off of them considering it's going to be "the best of the two nights", it'd be pretty hard to feature both pairs of acoustic songs, or both of the songs they rotate on a certain album etc (6:00 / Caught in a Web for example). I hope they'll handle it right.
I'm certain they will handle it well. These shows are 2 hours and 30 minutes long, so let's say there is approximately 30 minutes of different music between each night. Every song that is played both nights will feature the ideal performance, which makes about 2 hours, plus the 30 minutes of differing songs between each night, making a 3-hour live DVD, which is close to what every DVD since LAB has been.
I like the way they break it up on the CiM DVD with the interview/documentary sections. Good way to keep the awkward "clothes change" feeling from happening.
I'll just say that I agree with PC, Kev, and bosky.
And that Blind Guardian clip was fucking sweet, and I'm not even crazy about that band. But that's how a live audience SHOULD be.
Quote from: GasparXR on August 13, 2012, 03:44:57 PM
I'm certain they will handle it well. These shows are 2 hours and 30 minutes long, so let's say there is approximately 30 minutes of different music between each night. Every song that is played both nights will feature the ideal performance, which makes about 2 hours, plus the 30 minutes of differing songs between each night, making a 3-hour live DVD, which is close to what every DVD since LAB has been.
Both JP and JLB said the setlists will vary much and that there will be surprises so I'm really hoping for that.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on August 13, 2012, 12:07:55 AM
And don't even act like this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkapxf2ZeEw) isn't magical.
I missed this. It's so beautiful.
@lithium
From my experience, yes. I don't go to too many but when I do it's pretty embarrassing. I recently saw the live play of Rock of Ages and there were soooooooo many places for audience participation and nobody did anything. I felt so bad for the actors cuz I could tell they just wanted something that showed them we were at least alive.
It was just like Japan when the two times DT were here. But, when I think about it, it really depends on the music and the artist I think. Iron Maiden, Bon Jovi, U2, etc all get the audience involved and it's mainly due to a) the frontman must be awesome and b) the music must be "participatory" ie. catchy choruses and appropriate spots for singalongs. I love this kind of interaction and audience participation but DT's music just doesn't have many of these moments and I'm ok with that, for the most part, I just wish James didn't look like he'd rather be doing laundry than on stage entertaining.
Quote from: PetFish on August 13, 2012, 12:23:51 PM
Sorry, Scatman John, I don't listen to that style of music and just pulled that name out of my ass.
Never Enough? Really you guys? This has nothing to do with that type of attitude so get over yourselves. There's no issue with DT here at all, only the crowd noise, and "never enough" is completely uncalled for. Maybe you should be saying that to the whiners who are bitching about a possible editing problem with two consecutive shows who'll complain "JP was smiling in one shot but in the very next he wasn't" cuz you know they'll be here the day after release.
I love live shows and would go to more if I could... just not in South America or Europe so saying " maybe live shows aren't for me" is also inappropriate and passive-aggressive.
I feel Japanese crowds are too quiet, Europe and SA crowds are too loud, and North America has a nice blend (just not Vancouver, we may as well be Japan here).
Ultimately, we'll just have to wait for the final product, I just hope we don't get a Rush in Rio.
Oh the irony
Quote from: IdoSC on August 13, 2012, 03:39:21 PM
These news make me worried, if they're going to merge the two shows or just cut a few songs off of them considering it's going to be "the best of the two nights", it'd be pretty hard to feature both pairs of acoustic songs, or both of the songs they rotate on a certain album etc (6:00 / Caught in a Web for example). I hope they'll handle it right.
Honestly, the "best of two nights" can mean that they cut and paste the best versions of the songs together for the dvd OR they take the best overall show of the two and then run with the actual footage. There is no concrete evidence, as of right now, that they will be cutting and pasting for this DVD.
Quote from: PetFish on August 13, 2012, 05:19:56 PM
@lithium
From my experience, yes. I don't go to too many but when I do it's pretty embarrassing. I recently saw the live play of Rock of Ages and there were soooooooo many places for audience participation and nobody did anything. I felt so bad for the actors cuz I could tell they just wanted something that showed them we were at least alive.
It was just like Japan when the two times DT were here. But, when I think about it, it really depends on the music and the artist I think. Iron Maiden, Bon Jovi, U2, etc all get the audience involved and it's mainly due to a) the frontman must be awesome and b) the music must be "participatory" ie. catchy choruses and appropriate spots for singalongs. I love this kind of interaction and audience participation but DT's music just doesn't have many of these moments and I'm ok with that, for the most part, I just wish James didn't look like he'd rather be doing laundry than on stage entertaining.
I am pretty sure James would rather be riding his forklift than doing laundry.
I really can't wait for the DVD to come out so everybody can start with some FRESH BITCHING. this is getting a bit stale.
Quote from: johncal on August 13, 2012, 06:23:31 PM
I really can't wait for the DVD to come out so everybody can start with some FRESH BITCHING. this is getting a bit stale.
Hey guys, are you excited for the DVD? :neverusethis:
@Kev
Haha, yes, I'm sure he'd rather be driving his forklift, or maybe he's trying to remember where Images and Words was recorded and with whom, or thinking about what two different kinds of coffee he's going to drink at the same time, or plundering some sweet high-seas booty (hehe), but pretty much anything but being on stage. I kid, of course, as James is just such an easy comedic target over the other guys.
But if this raucous SA crowd I keep hearing about doesn't snap him into looking excited to be on stage then I don't know what will.
I fucking LOVED the crowd in Rush's Rio show. Can't wait to see that kind of energy for DT!
Dudes. Duddettes. Dudesons. There was cutting and pasting involved with 5 Years In A Livetime and (bad dvd, but good example) CiM. That means we get awesome stuff in the "intermissions". Really, that always turns out to be a-okay with DT.
I don't know, I didn't really like that inbetween-stuff on CiM. It interrupted the flow of the concert experience. I'd rather see a full concert with smooth cut-and-paste between the two shows.
Quote from: Zydar on August 14, 2012, 01:27:10 AM
I don't know, I didn't really like that inbetween-stuff on CiM. It interrupted the flow of the concert experience. I'd rather see a full concert with smooth cut-and-paste between the two shows.
I like the inbetween stuff, but I don't like it being inbetween, if that makes sense. I hate live DVDs with anything inbetween songs. When I'm watching the concert, I just want to feel like I'm at a concert. Anything else should be saved for extras such as documentaries.
Budokan had a ton of extra tidbits, and they worked perfectly on the second disc for when you wanted to see them, instead of needing to skip over them to see the concert.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on August 14, 2012, 01:30:24 AM
Quote from: Zydar on August 14, 2012, 01:27:10 AM
I don't know, I didn't really like that inbetween-stuff on CiM. It interrupted the flow of the concert experience. I'd rather see a full concert with smooth cut-and-paste between the two shows.
I like the inbetween stuff, but I don't like it being inbetween, if that makes sense. I hate live DVDs with anything inbetween songs. When I'm watching the concert, I just want to feel like I'm at a concert. Anything else should be saved for extras such as documentaries.
Budokan had a ton of extra tidbits, and they worked perfectly on the second disc for when you wanted to see them, instead of needing to skip over them to see the concert.
Exactly, I don't mind the actual content of the inbetween-stuff, just save it for a separate DVD or something. Just don't put it in the show.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on August 14, 2012, 01:30:24 AM
I like the inbetween stuff, but I don't like it being inbetween
:eyebrows:
I imagine the DVD looking something like this:
Dream is Collapsing
Bridges in the Sky
6:00
The Dark Eternal Night
These Walls
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Keyboard Intro
To Live Forever
This is the Life
The Root of All Evil
Endless Sacrifice (or maybe Paradigm Shift w/ Tony Levin?)
Drum Solo
A Fortune in Lies
Outcry
Lost Not Forgotten
The Silent Man
Beneath the Surface
Peruvian Skies
On the Backs of Angels
War Inside My Head
The Test That Stumped Them All
Guitar Solo
The Spirit Carries On
Wait for Sleep
Far From Heaven
Breaking All Illusions
encore: Metropolis
~3 hours
Songs played both nights are black, songs exclusive to night #1 are green, songs exclusive to night #2 are red. Not many songs switched, but that gives a ~35-minute difference between to two shows which is realistic.
Just to be clear on which songs rotate:
TDEN <> TROAE
TW <> BMUBMD
Outcry <> LNF
TSM <> WFS
BTS <> FFH
Wait... no encores? :|
Quote from: GasparXR on August 14, 2012, 04:08:35 AM
I imagine the DVD looking something like this:
Dream is Collapsing
Bridges in the Sky
6:00
The Dark Eternal Night
These Walls
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Keyboard Intro
To Live Forever
This is the Life
The Root of All Evil
Endless Sacrifice (or maybe Paradigm Shift w/ Tony Levin?)
Drum Solo
A Fortune in Lies
Outcry
Lost Not Forgotten
The Silent Man
Beneath the Surface
Peruvian Skies
On the Backs of Angels
War Inside My Head
The Test That Stumped Them All
Guitar Solo
The Spirit Carries On
Wait for Sleep
Far From Heaven
Breaking All Illusions
encore: Metropolis
~3 hours
Songs played both nights are black, songs exclusive to night #1 are green, songs exclusive to night #2 are red. Not many songs switched, but that gives a ~35-minute difference between to two shows which is realistic.
Just to be clear on which songs rotate:
TDEN <> TROAE
TW <> BMUBMD
Outcry <> LNF
TSM <> WFS
BTS <> FFH
As long as they play Beneath the Surface I'm happy!
Has anyone discussed Over the Edge's live music portfolio? https://otenyc.com/?cat=21 Have they done something on this scale before? Looks like Mike Leonard is the director..
I loved the subject matter of Spirit Carries On, but its aesthetics were more VH1 reality show than serious documentary and I'm interested to see what direction they go with this.
I'm hoping they rotate more than 5 songs. Also since they are going to pull up some "surprises" I would expect To Live Forever or anything similar to be played only one of the two nights. I would also be kinda surprised if they did all the solos both nights
More FII song please. Bring back Trial Of Tears, Anna Lee.
Quote from: SeRoX on August 14, 2012, 06:53:49 AM
More FII song please. Bring back Trial Of Tears.
FTFY
Quote from: Nekov on August 14, 2012, 06:52:27 AM
I'm hoping they rotate more than 5 songs. Also since they are going to pull up some "surprises" I would expect To Live Forever or anything similar to be played only one of the two nights. I would also be kinda surprised if they did all the solos both nights
Surrounded would probably take its place one night.
Quote from: ronrule on August 14, 2012, 06:49:07 AM
Has anyone discussed Over the Edge's live music portfolio? https://otenyc.com/?cat=21 Have they done something on this scale before? Looks like Mike Leonard is the director..
I loved the subject matter of Spirit Carries On, but its aesthetics were more VH1 reality show than serious documentary and I'm interested to see what direction they go with this.
I looked at a couple of the videos, not bad. One thing I thought of as I was watching them was that the switching from each camera was quick and even when they were on one camera for awhile, the camera itself was moving. Now, I understand that you just don't setup a static camera and it stays pointed in the same place the whole time (obviously that would be very boring) however, the switching and moving can be overdone. For example, when JP does a solo, I'd really like the camera to not change and stay still for most of it so we can watch closely his awesome playing.
I think they take this into consideration since they are professionals and I'm not really worried about it. Just an observation.
Quote from: wasteland on August 14, 2012, 05:05:37 AM
Quote from: ResultsMayVary on August 14, 2012, 04:41:29 AM
Quote from: wasteland on August 14, 2012, 04:15:52 AM
Wait... no encores? :|
Who needs them?! :lol
Me needs them :'( Two or three!
I think they shoujld just dick with everybody. just start rollng the credits and then they come back out.
^^
I've always wondered why they don't do something like that live. Look, we all know if the lights stay off they're coming back out, it's no shock or surprise, and EVERYONE does encores now. Why not turn the house lights on for 10 seconds so the entire crowd goes "awwwwwwwww" and starts mumbling and then turn them off and then it'll be a sweet surprise? That's what I'd do if I was a rock star.
Quote from: GasparXR on August 14, 2012, 04:08:35 AM
I imagine the DVD looking something like this:
Dream is Collapsing
Bridges in the Sky
6:00
The Dark Eternal Night
These Walls
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Keyboard Intro
To Live Forever
This is the Life
The Root of All Evil
Endless Sacrifice (or maybe Paradigm Shift w/ Tony Levin?)
Drum Solo
A Fortune in Lies
Outcry
Lost Not Forgotten
The Silent Man
Beneath the Surface
Peruvian Skies
On the Backs of Angels
War Inside My Head
The Test That Stumped Them All
Guitar Solo
The Spirit Carries On
Wait for Sleep
Far From Heaven
Breaking All Illusions
encore: Metropolis
~3 hours
Songs played both nights are black, songs exclusive to night #1 are green, songs exclusive to night #2 are red. Not many songs switched, but that gives a ~35-minute difference between to two shows which is realistic.
Just to be clear on which songs rotate:
TDEN <> TROAE
TW <> BMUBMD
Outcry <> LNF
TSM <> WFS
BTS <> FFH
Pretty good, nice and long....but i'd definitely replace spirit with through my words/fatal tragedy.......spirit needs to be shelved for a tour or 2
Especially because this will be the third live recording we have of TSCO in four albums...
Quote from: johncal on August 13, 2012, 06:23:31 PM
FRESH BITCHING.
Yes, I only prefer the freshest of bitching :lol
Horseburgers anyone?
I'm driven carelessly over the edge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKGLgCRR2HY&feature=youtu.be
In the end of the video there's a man filming them, possible bonus material??
And MM posted to facebook that they will do a really long sound check, possible some surprises for the setlist??
Quote from: YtseJamittaja on August 19, 2012, 12:10:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKGLgCRR2HY&feature=youtu.be
In the end of the video there's a man filming them, possible bonus material??
And MM posted to facebook that they will do a really long sound check, possible some surprises for the setlist??
Haha I like how he ended it
"what is that?"
"a lamb?"
"I don't even want to think about it"
His face at 1:19...epic Worms Armageddon face
Quote from: YtseJamittaja on August 19, 2012, 12:10:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKGLgCRR2HY&feature=youtu.be
In the end of the video there's a man filming them, possible bonus material??
I came here to post this, that's what I thought too.
Also, the top comment on the video was: "somehow, im glad Jordans not doing the editing on the DVD. XD". That's true! :lol
Quote from: Stonestef on August 19, 2012, 01:37:53 PM
Quote from: YtseJamittaja on August 19, 2012, 12:10:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKGLgCRR2HY&feature=youtu.be
In the end of the video there's a man filming them, possible bonus material??
I came here to post this, that's what I thought too.
Also, the top comment on the video was: "somehow, im glad Jordans not doing the editing on the DVD. XD". That's true! :lol
I read that before watching the video, and it made it a
lot funnier. That said, some
maniac has responded with the following:
"why not? metropolis dvd was kinda like this.and portnoy did a great job(and effort)to do all that crazy shit on it.all the other dvds after it are piece of turd compared to it."
...which, well, it takes all sorts, I suppose!
Quote from: robwebster on August 19, 2012, 01:44:39 PM
Quote from: Stonestef on August 19, 2012, 01:37:53 PM
Quote from: YtseJamittaja on August 19, 2012, 12:10:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKGLgCRR2HY&feature=youtu.be
In the end of the video there's a man filming them, possible bonus material??
I came here to post this, that's what I thought too.
Also, the top comment on the video was: "somehow, im glad Jordans not doing the editing on the DVD. XD". That's true! :lol
I read that before watching the video, and it made it a lot funnier. That said, some maniac has responded with the following:
"why not? metropolis dvd was kinda like this.and portnoy did a great job(and effort)to do all that crazy shit on it.all the other dvds after it are piece of turd compared to it."
...which, well, it takes all sorts, I suppose!
A Portnoy fanboy, no doubt. :lol
Quote from: ResultsMayVary on August 19, 2012, 02:05:11 PM
Quote from: robwebster on August 19, 2012, 01:44:39 PM
Quote from: Stonestef on August 19, 2012, 01:37:53 PM
Quote from: YtseJamittaja on August 19, 2012, 12:10:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKGLgCRR2HY&feature=youtu.be
In the end of the video there's a man filming them, possible bonus material??
I came here to post this, that's what I thought too.
Also, the top comment on the video was: "somehow, im glad Jordans not doing the editing on the DVD. XD". That's true! :lol
I read that before watching the video, and it made it a lot funnier. That said, some maniac has responded with the following:
"why not? metropolis dvd was kinda like this.and portnoy did a great job(and effort)to do all that crazy shit on it.all the other dvds after it are piece of turd compared to it."
...which, well, it takes all sorts, I suppose!
A Portnoy fanboy, no doubt. :lol
I could somehow understand why someone would like those effects but "all the other dvds after it are piece of turd compared to it." - isn't it the other way round? :rollin
Quote from: YtseJamittaja on August 19, 2012, 12:10:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKGLgCRR2HY&feature=youtu.be
In the end of the video there's a man filming them, possible bonus material??
And MM posted to facebook that they will do a really long sound check, possible some surprises for the setlist??
I honestly thought I was having a flashback...
SPOILERS!
This is the show they played for the DVD
Bridges in the Sky
6:00
The Dark Eternal Night
This is the Life
The Root of All Evil
Lost Not Forgotten
Drum Solo
(Mike Mangini)
A Fortune in Lies
Acoustic
The Silent Man
(with a String Quartet )
Beneath the Surface
(with a String Quartet )
Outcry
Keyboard Solo
(Jordan Rudess on piano)
Surrounded
On the Backs of Angels
War Inside My Head
The Test that Stumped Them All
Guitar Solo
(John Petrucci)
The Spirit Carries On
Breaking All Illusions
Encore:
Metropolis Pt. 1: The Miracle and the Sleeper
Is there a time frame for this release? I mean, realistically how long do we expect before this DVD/Blu-ray is released? Is Christmas a reasonable bet?
Well, it's what they played for Night 1 of 2, both of which are being filmed. We aren't sure if all songs from both nights will be included on the DVD.
Quote from: Millais on August 20, 2012, 05:31:02 AM
Is there a time frame for this release? I mean, realistically how long do we expect before this DVD/Blu-ray is released? Is Christmas a reasonable bet?
Score was filmed April 1st, released in September of the same year.
Live at Budokan was filmed April 26th, released October of the same year.
Going by that kind of timeline, we could expect this one to hit somewhen around January - but given that it's been five years since Score and technology's improved, and given the label might try to speed things up a little to hit the Christmas market, December's not entirely unfeasible. November, at a stretch, if they're
very busy over the autumn, but I'd plan around January.
To be honest I'm really disappointed that WIMH and TTTSTA, easily the weakest sections of the Six Degrees suite, are going to appear on another DVD. Hopefully Set 2 has some real gems to make up for it.
Quote from: robwebster on August 20, 2012, 05:39:45 AM
Quote from: Millais on August 20, 2012, 05:31:02 AM
Is there a time frame for this release? I mean, realistically how long do we expect before this DVD/Blu-ray is released? Is Christmas a reasonable bet?
Score was filmed April 1st, released in September of the same year.
Live at Budokan was filmed April 26th, released October of the same year.
Going by that kind of timeline, we could expect this one to hit somewhen around January - but given that it's been five years since Score and technology's improved, and given the label might try to speed things up a little to hit the Christmas market, December's not entirely unfeasible. November, at a stretch, if they're very busy over the autumn, but I'd plan around January.
Very much this. I ultimately expect a Christmas release date, because I believe the label will want to hit the Christmas markets with the DVD.
Don't count on it. Nothing gets released during the holidays except the biggest of the big-- the Eminems and Justin Biebers. A band like DT aren't going to gain sales because of the holiday. They'd lose them, as the average fan who would buy the DVD might get caught up with the holiday hustle and bustle.
It's nice wishful thinking, though :biggrin:
I agree. I wouldn't expect anything before January or February.
I just need to say, if all songs played don't get released (if they want to cut out the repeats, it's fine) ON THAT PARTICULAR DVD, VIDEO INCLUDED I'm going to have someone's head.
I think they will be, barring some sort of unforseen accident with the recording.
Quote from: bosk1 on August 20, 2012, 12:55:04 PM
I think they will be, barring some sort of unforseen accident with the recording.
My thoughts exactly.
Why why why why why why why why War Inside My Head and Test that Stumped AGAIN? Seven minutes that could be put towards something they rarely play live let alone have a nice official video of it. Why they don't play Hell's Kitchen EVER is beyond me. :facepalm:
Anyway, the few vids I've seen and (partially) heard the crowd sounds good so that make me happy for sure. :heart
Quote from: bosk1 on August 20, 2012, 12:55:04 PM
I think they will be, barring some sort of unforseen accident with the recording.
You mean like A Dramatic Turn of Events? :neverusethis:
After looking over the full setlist for both shows, I'm finding it hard to get excited about this DVD at the moment, aside from These Walls, which I was really hoping would finally get a live release, and what should be an interesting version of TDEN, which I wasn't expecting in the setlist so that's a welcome surprise.
ADTOE doesn't interest me a lot, although if the audio is as good as say Budokan, I may be interested in grabbing this to hear the songs with a good lively mix to see if it helps me appreciate the album a bit more.
And nothing new from Six Degrees of Live Neglect. I'm really not interested in hearing one of my favourite DT songs cut into chunklets yet again.
However, a commentary would make this an instant buy for me, and we'll see what other surprises they may have in store. :)
Quote from: BlobVanDam on August 21, 2012, 01:48:16 AM
ADTOE doesn't interest me a lot, although if the audio is as good as say Budokan, I may be interested in grabbing this to hear the songs with a good lively mix to see if it helps me appreciate the album a bit more.
I was hoping for this but the live playing didn't help me really. I love BITS, I love BAI, I love BTS but the rest of the record goes from meh to I don't like. I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you.
I'm really as pumped as ever about this. Stuff I can't wait to see:
Surrounded
6:00
Caught in a Web
These Walls
Bridges in the Sky
Breaking All Illusions
The Acoustic Set
Pull Me Under (Yeah, I know it's on Budokan but I don't like that performance)
And, while there are definitely some repeats from Budokan and Score, I think you guys are being a little unrealistic in letting that get you down. Everything about this new DVD I've seen so far has given me the impression that this is going to become the new "definitive" concert video.
Also, not liking A Dramatic Turn of Events = fail :P
I appreciate JP & guys working hard on this . . . .
However, I can't believe that there [size=14pt]STILL[/size] won't be a full version of LTL with the F# . . .
Quote from: Perpetual Change on August 21, 2012, 03:36:52 AM
Pull Me Under (Yeah, I know it's on Budokan but I don't like that performance)
That was pretty awesome yesterday, clearly the best moment of the night. I hope they leave the crowd volume high for that one
Quote from: Perpetual Change on August 21, 2012, 03:36:52 AM
Also, not liking A Dramatic Turn of Events = fail :P
No, not at all.
Quote from: Dream Team on August 21, 2012, 05:29:08 AM
I appreciate JP & guys working hard on this . . . .
However, I can't believe that there [size=14pt]STILL[/size] won't be a full version of LTL with the F# . . .
It would have been cool, but being a longer song, I can understand why it got left off in favour of fitting more songs. Actually, ADTOE aside there didn't really play any longer songs (relatively speaking, of course :lol ).
Quote from: BlobVanDam on August 21, 2012, 05:42:16 AM
Quote from: Dream Team on August 21, 2012, 05:29:08 AM
I appreciate JP & guys working hard on this . . . .
However, I can't believe that there [size=14pt]STILL[/size] won't be a full version of LTL with the F# . . .
It would have been cool, but being a longer song, I can understand why it got left off in favour of fitting more songs. Actually, ADTOE aside there didn't really play any longer songs (relatively speaking, of course :lol ).
Did I miss the setlist for the second night?
Quote from: ZirconBlue on August 21, 2012, 05:57:44 AM
Quote from: BlobVanDam on August 21, 2012, 05:42:16 AM
Quote from: Dream Team on August 21, 2012, 05:29:08 AM
I appreciate JP & guys working hard on this . . . .
However, I can't believe that there [size=14pt]STILL[/size] won't be a full version of LTL with the F# . . .
It would have been cool, but being a longer song, I can understand why it got left off in favour of fitting more songs. Actually, ADTOE aside there didn't really play any longer songs (relatively speaking, of course :lol ).
Did I miss the setlist for the second night?
I don't think it's been posted in this thread, but it was posted in the Concerts and Setlists thread for the show here-
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=33293.msg1377609#msg1377609
Quote from: Dream Team on August 21, 2012, 05:29:08 AM
I appreciate JP & guys working hard on this . . . .
However, I can't believe that there STILL won't be a full version of LTL with the F# . . .
FTFY
Anyway, with a bit of luck, a new Ytsejam release from the European 2011 Tour will come soon, including LTL :)
Quote from: Dream Team on August 21, 2012, 05:29:08 AM
I appreciate JP & guys working hard on this . . . .
However, I can't believe that there [size=14pt]STILL[/size] won't be a full version of LTL with the F# . . .
I guess dt needs to save material for their next DVD along with BC&sl
Actually, the more I think about this, it will definitely be my least favorite of the "Big 4" (Live Scenes, Budokan, Score, and this one) as I will mainly just be looking forward to the ADTOE songs. For one thing, they missed a great opportunity to get Take Away My Pain onto a DVD; it would have been perfect with the string accompaniment and could have replaced Wait For Sleep.
As I look through the sets, we have my least favorite song from SC, my 2 least favorite "songs" from SDOIT, 3 of my least favorites from Awake (besides Lie); and a whole bunch of repeats. No LTL, ACOS, TGD, Erotomania, or Voices.
So setting that aside, I'm looking forward to the top-quality production, the ADTOE tracks; and DVD extras. Not criticizing them, they can't please everybody.
Quote from: Dream Team on August 23, 2012, 06:00:16 AMFor one thing, they missed a great opportunity to get Take Away My Pain onto a DVD; it would have been perfect with the string accompaniment and could have replaced Wait For Sleep.
...No LTL, ACOS, TGD, Erotomania, or Voices.
For the life of me, I just cannot understand why people expected songs that were never played on the tour to have shown up on this DVD. That just wasn't a very realistic possibility other than maybe tossing in one rarity. Even on Score, I think ALL the songs they had in that set list had been done previously in the tour (I remember going bananas when additional parts of Six Degrees started showing up in the later shows on that last leg of the tour, figuring that meant they were probably brushing up on them so they could put it all together and play the entire song for the RCMH show). I can sort of understand hoping for TGD, since that was played for a signficant portion of the early part of the tour. But the stuff that hadn't been played at all? Chances were slim to none.
TAMP in particular wouldn't have worked. Before the tour started, I was really hoping they would dust it off, and perhaps even go back to the original version. It truly is a GREAT song. But not realistic to expect it once the tour got rolling. There are only so many ballads they could include, and it was clear they had decided on WFS and TSM. We'll just have to wait for TAMP. Maybe next tour...
Quote from: Dream Team on August 23, 2012, 06:00:16 AM
No LTL, ACOS, TGD, Erotomania, or Voices.
See
Metropolis: Live Scenes From New York.
Aside from "The Great Debate", it's all there. And considering how good those performances are, I'm not sure why you'd want to see them done again.
Not getting TGD is a huge disappointment, I have to admit.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on August 23, 2012, 08:37:55 AM
Quote from: Dream Team on August 23, 2012, 06:00:16 AM
No LTL, ACOS, TGD, Erotomania, or Voices.
See Metropolis: Live Scenes From New York.
Aside from "The Great Debate", it's all there. And considering how good those performances are, I'm not sure why you'd want to see them done again.
I can think of several reasons.
JLB is now in
much better form than he was on LSFNY, and could actually sing the F#, something which I would like to see documented. His vocals dragged down those LSFNY performances a bit for me, so it would be nice to have a perfect live vocal for those (and have a version where JLB doesn't moan over JP's LTL solo).
Also, MM is in the band now, and I can see that people would want to hear the big classics with the current different lineup. Keep in mind that LSFNY was over a decade ago now, and these songs are all pretty highly regarded (aside from maybe TGD, but I'm referring more to the repeats here).
Just because these songs have been played once on DVD, doesn't mean they should be permanently shelved, especially considering how many other songs have been repeated. And they always sound a bit different to justify it.
Aside from TGD, these are all songs I find overrated to some degree, so these are general comments justifying repeats, and I'm personally not disappointed these specific songs weren't on the DVD, nor would I have expected them in the setlist anyway. But there were songs they did play at some point on the tour that were omitted, which I do find a bit disappointing.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on August 23, 2012, 08:53:57 AM
I can think of several reasons.
JLB is now in much better form than he was on LSFNY, and could actually sing the F#, something which I would like to see documented. His vocals dragged down those LSFNY performances a bit for me, so it would be nice to have a perfect live vocal for those (and have a version where JLB doesn't moan over JP's LTL solo).
I'm sure he'd be able to hit the note, but I doubt it'd be perfect, and I highly doubt it would be better. That and all those performances are so spirited that they're my favorite to watch. It's like James is fighting through every line and coming out on top. Then again, I never really cared that much about the F#.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on August 23, 2012, 08:53:57 AM
But there were songs they did play at some point on the tour that were omitted, which I do find a bit disappointing.
Agreed on that. It's too bad "To Live Forever" didn't make the cut.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on August 23, 2012, 09:16:24 AM
Quote from: BlobVanDam on August 23, 2012, 08:53:57 AM
I can think of several reasons.
JLB is now in much better form than he was on LSFNY, and could actually sing the F#, something which I would like to see documented. His vocals dragged down those LSFNY performances a bit for me, so it would be nice to have a perfect live vocal for those (and have a version where JLB doesn't moan over JP's LTL solo).
I'm sure he'd be able to hit the note, but I doubt it'd be perfect, and I highly doubt it would be better. That and all those performances are so spirited that they're my favorite to watch. It's like James is fighting through every line and coming out on top. Then again, I never really cared that much about the F#.
Well I was just offering one reason other people may want it, so you're free to disagree with it. Judging from bootlegs since the Octavarium tour, for me it would be a lot better than what was on LSFNY. But each to his own. :tup
Quote from: bosk1 on August 23, 2012, 08:07:47 AM
Quote from: Dream Team on August 23, 2012, 06:00:16 AMFor one thing, they missed a great opportunity to get Take Away My Pain onto a DVD; it would have been perfect with the string accompaniment and could have replaced Wait For Sleep.
...No LTL, ACOS, TGD, Erotomania, or Voices.
For the life of me, I just cannot understand why people expected songs that were never played on the tour to have shown up on this DVD. That just wasn't a very realistic possibility other than maybe tossing in one rarity. Even on Score, I think ALL the songs they had in that set list had been done previously in the tour (I remember going bananas when additional parts of Six Degrees started showing up in the later shows on that last leg of the tour, figuring that meant they were probably brushing up on them so they could put it all together and play the entire song for the RCMH show). I can sort of understand hoping for TGD, since that was played for a signficant portion of the early part of the tour. But the stuff that hadn't been played at all? Chances were slim to none.
TAMP in particular wouldn't have worked. Before the tour started, I was really hoping they would dust it off, and perhaps even go back to the original version. It truly is a GREAT song. But not realistic to expect it once the tour got rolling. There are only so many ballads they could include, and it was clear they had decided on WFS and TSM. We'll just have to wait for TAMP. Maybe next tour...
Just to clarify, I wasn't
expecting them to be on there; just stating the reasons why I wasn't excited. Forgot to mention TCOT which I suppose will be on a bootleg release someday.
I actually would have liked to see Count of Tuscany. Nothing from Black Clouds is interesting too. Besides that, pretty killer sets actually.
While it's easily one of the songs I expect the least as I tend to collect a few bootlegs and rare performances so I have a gazillion of performances for this song, I'm actually excited for Pull Me Under thanks to its vocal performance. If it's actually released in the upcoming DVD, it's probably going to be the best vocal performance of that song in an official release; almost better than Marquee, better than IAW 2007, better than IAW live in Tokyo '93, and absolutely better than Budokan.
I really hope JP and the guys don't read this post or they'll think all their fans are just whiners and complainers..... and don't try to explain it away or justify it. That's all it is. There's a big difference between expressing and opinon and complaining and most of this is complaining. There are some legitimate opinions and I'm fine with those. Maybe as a special treat they should have had a brand new song for the DVD, Never Enough part 2. Now that's my opinion. I'm thrilled with what they're doing for us because they don't owe us anything and I'm just glad they were nice enough to do this.
Quote from: IdoSC on August 24, 2012, 04:04:57 AM
While it's easily one of the songs I expect the least as I tend to collect a few bootlegs and rare performances so I have a gazillion of performances for this song, I'm actually excited for Pull Me Under thanks to its vocal performance. If it's actually released in the upcoming DVD, it's probably going to be the best vocal performance of that song in an official release; almost better than Marquee, better than IAW 2007, better than IAW live in Tokyo '93, and absolutely better than Budokan.
Watching a boot now. James is on fire. He does an amazing high note in there too. One of the highest I've ever heard from him I think.
Quote from: wolfking on August 24, 2012, 04:26:01 AM
Quote from: IdoSC on August 24, 2012, 04:04:57 AM
While it's easily one of the songs I expect the least as I tend to collect a few bootlegs and rare performances so I have a gazillion of performances for this song, I'm actually excited for Pull Me Under thanks to its vocal performance. If it's actually released in the upcoming DVD, it's probably going to be the best vocal performance of that song in an official release; almost better than Marquee, better than IAW 2007, better than IAW live in Tokyo '93, and absolutely better than Budokan.
Watching a boot now. James is on fire. He does an amazing high note in there too. One of the highest I've ever heard from him I think.
He actually does two amazing high notes in this performance ("orders FLY" and also in the final chorus). Plus, pretty much any high note he has done in this tour (and he throws like at least 4 or 5 per show) is G5 or higher, which automatically makes them among the highest notes he's ever done as THE highest note was like a Bb5 I think.
Funnily enough, Learning to Live's F#5 is probably the "lowest high note" of the tour.
Recent Interview with JR and JP about the shows in Argentina and the upcoming DVD
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/dream-theater-argentina-20120824 (https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/dream-theater-argentina-20120824)
Nice! Thanks :tup
Now if they could actually say something about when's it coming out and what's gonna be on it exactly at this stage, it would be more interesting.
lol be patient, they recorded this 4 days ago. Let them take as much time as they need to guarantee a nice product.
I know, I was just complaining at the fact they're mostly interviewed around the time when they can't say anything interesting.
:mora:
Quote from: bosk1 on August 24, 2012, 02:01:26 PM
:mora:
YES THANK YOU. Always a gloom cookie.
Damn interviewers! :mora:
edit: I just have to say you made my day. I was almost-sobbing* over the fact I've been depressed again this past month or so, and that I can't do anything but sit glued in front of a screen for twelve hours per day, hiss at anyone who's trying to talk to me in "real life" and ruin my social life. And then I come to this.
I may be a useless fucker but my username is an emote on a forum that's made me laugh and feel better more times than I can possibly count. I have that today.
*that's the thing when you want to cry but tears won't come. Fuck. Sorry about this post, I'm a hot mess.
:hug:
Yes, you need a big, sweet hug. :) :hug:
I have a small gripe, or whatever you'd want to call it, about the DVD. This is the third time we're getting War Inside My Head / The Test that Stumped them All, not to mention that not one of these times was in the lower-quality Chaos in Motion DVD. Both Budokan and Score had amazing editions of these songs.
I can understand TSCO, Metro Pt. 1, even Pull Me Under. But these songs are just great, I can't believe they're considered a classic by the band's standards. The Glass Prison, Blind Faith, Misunderstood and The Great Debate all deserve a release through a DVD.
Gigantour & World Turbulence (TGP), CIM (Blind Faith), fanclub 2008 release (Misunderstood) and Score's extra material (TGD) are all fun, but they're not exactly a well-recorded live show in relation to Score or Budokan.
Still, I'm gonna enjoy these songs in the upcoming DVD like hell so it's just a random thought.
Quote from: IdoSC on August 24, 2012, 05:13:52 PM
I have a small gripe, or whatever you'd want to call it, about the DVD. This is the third time we're getting War Inside My Head / The Test that Stumped them All, not to mention that not one of these times was in the lower-quality Chaos in Motion DVD. Both Budokan and Score had amazing editions of these songs.
I can understand TSCO, Metro Pt. 1, even Pull Me Under. But these songs are just great, I can't believe they're considered a classic by the band's standards. The Glass Prison, Blind Faith, Misunderstood and The Great Debate all deserve a release through a DVD.
Gigantour & World Turbulence (TGP), CIM (Blind Faith), fanclub 2008 release (Misunderstood) and Score's extra material (TGD) are all fun, but they're not exactly a well-recorded live show in relation to Score or Budokan.
Still, I'm gonna enjoy these songs in the upcoming DVD like hell so it's just a random thought.
This. Blind Faith on CiM is so disappointing.
:hug:
Do we know whether all the songs are being included on the DVD? I can't for the life of me fathom why they would include some of them.
Quote from: TheOutlawXanadu on August 28, 2012, 06:06:35 PM
Do we know whether all the songs are being included on the DVD? I can't for the life of me fathom why they would include some of them.
Whuh?
a. Because the band and the crowd like them enough to play them every night (or every other night) of a year-long tour.
b. Because they're running under, rather than over - each night's a two-hour gig, but there's
well over an hour's worth of material in common between the two. To rival Score or Live at Budokan for running length, to emulate a full-length Evening With, they'll be adding, not subtracting.
c. Because they've presumably got some great footage of them that they've paid to produce at the gig they've chosen to share with the world.
Not saying you're wrong, but... I can't fathom why they
wouldn't.
Quote from: robwebster on August 28, 2012, 06:12:39 PM
Quote from: TheOutlawXanadu on August 28, 2012, 06:06:35 PM
Do we know whether all the songs are being included on the DVD? I can't for the life of me fathom why they would include some of them.
Whuh?
a. Because the band and the crowd like them enough to play them every night (or every other night) of a year-long tour.
b. Because they're running under, rather than over - each night's a two-hour gig, but there's well over an hour's worth of material in common between the two. To rival Score or Live at Budokan for running length, to emulate a full-length Evening With, they'll be adding, not subtracting.
c. Because they've presumably got some great footage of them that they've paid to produce at the gig they've chosen to share with the world.
Not saying you're wrong, but... I can't fathom why they wouldn't.
The only thing I would add is: TOX, you're wrong.
Quote from: robwebster on August 28, 2012, 06:12:39 PM
Quote from: TheOutlawXanadu on August 28, 2012, 06:06:35 PM
Do we know whether all the songs are being included on the DVD? I can't for the life of me fathom why they would include some of them.
Whuh?
a. Because the band and the crowd like them enough to play them every night (or every other night) of a year-long tour.
b. Because they're running under, rather than over - each night's a two-hour gig, but there's well over an hour's worth of material in common between the two. To rival Score or Live at Budokan for running length, to emulate a full-length Evening With, they'll be adding, not subtracting.
c. Because they've presumably got some great footage of them that they've paid to produce at the gig they've chosen to share with the world.
Not saying you're wrong, but... I can't fathom why they wouldn't.
I think that there are three parties when it comes to live albums:
1. Super anal people who want every live album to be super unique, and therefore not have the same songs appearing over and over again across albums.
2. Normal people who just want to hear songs they like, regardless of how many times they appear across albums.
3. People who just want to hear the classics, and could care less about rare gems (although this group probably doesn't exist for a band like Dream Theater).
I guess I fall into the first category. I don't mean to be selfish when I say that I wish they wouldn't include some of the songs, but to me, having so many songs that I've already seen on other DVDs will diminish the character of the set a lot. I sincerely do not want to see "The Spirit Carries On" for the third time. :lol
Superstoked for this DVD. Haven't been this excited for a DVD since Live At Budokan. (Score too but since I attended the TOT tour, that DVD was more special)
Thinking about the DVD release date, I've realized something. Whean asked for the next DT album the band is saying that they'll enter the studio "next year", "january", "february" or even "march", IIRC. I think it is because of the DVD. I suppose they want it to be released before they enter the studio, so these two dates are very related, in fact. What do you think?
Quote from: Nest777 on August 28, 2012, 07:00:35 PM
Thinking about the DVD release date, I've realized something. Whean asked for the next DT album the band is saying that they'll enter the studio "next year", "january", "february" or even "march", IIRC. I think it is because of the DVD. I suppose they want it to be released before they enter the studio, so these two dates are very related, in fact. What do you think?
They did the same break thing after they hired Mangini, with almost the same exact time frame. Not to mention JP, JR, and JLB have some solo albums that are supposed to be recorded soon. If you ask me, the break is purely to take time off of Dream Theater, which they have been doing for almost a year non-stop, to work on other things for a few months. I think a normal DVD preparation and release schedule happens to coincide with a January (or earlier) release, which is the only month I've heard about when they will be starting to write/record the 12th album. And in addition to that, the DVD release date is pure speculation at this point. So, honestly, I think the two things are unrelated.
Quote from: ResultsMayVary on August 28, 2012, 07:15:39 PM
Quote from: Nest777 on August 28, 2012, 07:00:35 PM
Thinking about the DVD release date, I've realized something. Whean asked for the next DT album the band is saying that they'll enter the studio "next year", "january", "february" or even "march", IIRC. I think it is because of the DVD. I suppose they want it to be released before they enter the studio, so these two dates are very related, in fact. What do you think?
They did the same break thing after they hired Mangini, with almost the same exact time frame. Not to mention JP, JR, and JLB have some solo albums that are supposed to be recorded soon. If you ask me, the break is purely to take time off of Dream Theater, which they have been doing for almost a year non-stop, to work on other things for a few months. I think a normal DVD preparation and release schedule happens to coincide with a January (or earlier) release, which is the only month I've heard about when they will be starting to write/record the 12th album. And in addition to that, the DVD release date is pure speculation at this point. So, honestly, I think the two things are unrelated.
I know they'll be working on his solo stuff, and resting after the long A Dramatic Tour of Events, I was pointing out that maybe the exact date they're entering the studio could be related with the DVD release. For example, in this interview Jordan says "january or february":
QuoteHave you written material for the new album?
Well, we've been recording some ideas during the tour. We're not used to writing on the road, but sometimes we come up with some interesting riffs and other cool stuff during sound checks, so we record to check it out later.
https://musica.terra.cl/dream-theater-chile-es-de-los-mejores-lugares-donde-tocar,8215ad4f67c09310VgnVCM3000009acceb0aRCRD.html
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QuoteWe just wrapped up a week in South America producing Dream Theater's new concert DVD. The shoots included two live concert recordings at Luna Park in Buenos Aires, Argentina and documentary footage in both Colombia and Argentina for the special features. Dream Theater put on an incredible show both nights for the sold-out stadium. Mike Leonard produced and directed the show under his company, Over the Edge Productions. A special thanks to the OTE crew that came down with us: Chris Paul, Kelly Cook, Alan Clary, Godfrey Tabarez, Jordan Bross and Jackie Zampella. Today marks the start of postproduction for the new concert DVD which will be released on BluRay and contain plenty of bonus features.
https://otenyc.com/?p=1248
:tup
I can't wait for it.
i can't wait!
i can't
i
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:clap:
This was quite Tumblr of you guys.
But seriously, every time this thread gets bumped, I hope it's some news, and then it's just someone who apparently can't wait. Take your can't wait elsewhere! :lol
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on September 09, 2012, 02:11:02 AM
But seriously, every time this thread gets bumped, I hope it's some news, and then it's just someone who apparently can't wait. Take your can't wait elsewhere! :lol
This :biggrin:
Quote from: Onno on September 10, 2012, 02:44:58 PM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on September 09, 2012, 02:11:02 AM
But seriously, every time this thread gets bumped, I hope it's some news, and then it's just someone who apparently can't wait. Take your can't wait elsewhere! :lol
This :biggrin:
Now that's just evil :(
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You.
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on September 10, 2012, 03:13:15 PM
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You.
You know, for all JP's dedication to working out, he's not ripped AT ALL. No vascularity, not much muscle definition. I guess sheer mass is his only goal. Probably needs to change his diet. (in b4 "all salmon dude" yuk yuk)
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You.
You know, for all JP's dedication to working out, he's not ripped AT ALL. No vascularity, not much muscle definition. I guess sheer mass is his only goal. Probably needs to change his diet. (in b4 "all salmon dude" yuk yuk)
Who would you rather come face to face with in a back ally some where... JP or this guy?
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Quote from: Chino on September 11, 2012, 07:47:57 AM
Quote from: Dream Team on September 11, 2012, 06:25:23 AM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on September 10, 2012, 03:13:15 PM
Snip*You.
You know, for all JP's dedication to working out, he's not ripped AT ALL. No vascularity, not much muscle definition. I guess sheer mass is his only goal. Probably needs to change his diet. (in b4 "all salmon dude" yuk yuk)
Who would you rather come face to face with in a back ally some where... JP or this guy?
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Well, I wouldn't turn my back to this guy in an alley If you know what I mean ;)
I think JP is rather going for being strong, nut having a ripped body.
Jordan is having a live chat on Vokle, and he answered a question about the new DVD saying something along the lines of:
"Well, don't expect it for Christmas, it's probably going to be out after the new year." :-[
It was kind of foolish for anyone to think it would be ready by Christmas.
Quote from: Dream Team on September 11, 2012, 06:25:23 AM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on September 10, 2012, 03:13:15 PM
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You.
You know, for all JP's dedication to working out, he's not ripped AT ALL. No vascularity, not much muscle definition. I guess sheer mass is his only goal. Probably needs to change his diet. (in b4 "all salmon dude" yuk yuk)
Keep in mind he's also in his mid 40s.
-J
Anytime I've heard JP talk on that subject he has said that he isn't trying to "bodybuild", he just wants to be strong. And I'm sure he is.
Quote from: chaotic_ripper on October 27, 2012, 09:53:06 AM
Anytime I've heard JP talk on that subject he has said that he isn't trying to "bodybuild", he just wants to be strong. And I'm sure he is.
Yes, and an interview with him last year indicated that he tried "cutting" a couple of years ago, but felt weaker and smaller. People underestimate just how absurd a diet/ work out regimen you need to have in order to show definition.
This probably took the thread even more off topic. Sorry about that.
Quote from: tofee35 on October 27, 2012, 03:12:02 PM
This probably took the thread even more off topic. Sorry about that.
Yeah, quite a bit, I would say. :lol
Especially since I have been just robbed of my #1 Christmas wish :'(
- You're a revered guitarist of a successful prog metal band
- People ask you about your workout regimen in interviews.
:huh:
Well non-music questions make interviews more interesting, but still!
Anyway, I'm actually relieved... less money spent this year :D
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on October 27, 2012, 03:24:53 PM
- You're a revered guitarist of a successful prog metal band
- People ask you about your workout regimen in interviews.
:huh:
Well non-music questions make interviews more interesting, but still!
Anyway, I'm actually relieved... less money spent this year :D
Oh yeah, so your yearly balance of records will stay positive? :P
As it is not likely the DVD is gonna be that cheaper next year, it should have arrived for Christmas. Pity :(
Quote from: cramx3 on October 27, 2012, 09:21:44 AM
It was kind of foolish for anyone to think it would be ready by Christmas.
Quote from: philmcson on October 27, 2012, 06:35:30 PM
Oh yeah, so your yearly balance of records will stay positive? :P
As it is not likely the DVD is gonna be that cheaper next year, it should have arrived for Christmas. Pity :(
Actually, you're pretty right about that :lol I am equally broke at all times, so whenever I get it, doesn't matter. Come DVD :biggrin:
Sadly pushed back to february, and the new album too is pushed back around mid-late 2013. If someone can find the last JR interview is all there...
How could the DVD have been "pushed back" to February if this is the first thing we've actually seen resembling a release date?
Quote from: Dreamer81 on October 28, 2012, 03:36:23 AM
Sadly pushed back to february, and the new album too is pushed back around mid-late 2013. If someone can find the last JR interview is all there...
February. Cool. I was born in February. :makes wishlist public: :biggrin:
Okay, that's some proper information we've gotten, now let's wait. I don't know the releasing schedule of Roadrunner Records but for them, it is indeed important to maintain a constant number of releases each month - technically, the DVD might be ready for Christmas but information about it would drown in the sea of Xmas compilations and everyone's glorious idea to put out media right before Christmas. I can live with that.
An extra month isn't going to kill me. Err on the side of caution, something JP and JR might be aware of considering the LTE Box set Blu-ray adventure.
And while we are waiting for the official DVD, why not order something from Ytsejam? I'd really dig if they'd add a show from BCSL/Progressive Nation 2009 tour. With a show from Final Frontier World Tour with Iron Maiden. As bonus :hat
Quote from: philmcson on October 28, 2012, 10:59:58 PM
And while we are waiting for the official DVD, why not order something from Ytsejam? I'd really dig if they'd add a show from BCSL/Progressive Nation 2009 tour. With a show from Final Frontier World Tour with Iron Maiden. As bonus :hat
Too bad that is all up to :psychosane:
Quote from: Perpetual Change on October 28, 2012, 06:52:23 AM
How could the DVD have been "pushed back" to February if this is the first thing we've actually seen resembling a release date?
you're right but the hope were high for a release around christmas, in February the new JLB solo album will be out too..
Quote from: JayOctavarium on October 28, 2012, 11:11:04 PM
Quote from: philmcson on October 28, 2012, 10:59:58 PM
And while we are waiting for the official DVD, why not order something from Ytsejam? I'd really dig if they'd add a show from BCSL/Progressive Nation 2009 tour. With a show from Final Frontier World Tour with Iron Maiden. As bonus :hat
Too bad that is all up to :psychosane:
Yeah, we had a pretty lengthy thread about that you can dig up :)
Quote from: Dreamer81 on October 29, 2012, 12:04:15 AM
Quote from: Perpetual Change on October 28, 2012, 06:52:23 AM
How could the DVD have been "pushed back" to February if this is the first thing we've actually seen resembling a release date?
you're right but the hope were high for a release around christmas, in February the new JLB solo album will be out too..
I don't know where are you getting that information, but it isn't true: https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/257183618533847042
Quote from: Dreamer81 on October 29, 2012, 12:04:15 AM
Quote from: Perpetual Change on October 28, 2012, 06:52:23 AM
How could the DVD have been "pushed back" to February if this is the first thing we've actually seen resembling a release date?
you're right but the hope were high for a release around christmas, in February the new JLB solo album will be out too..
I'm fine. I have the new Stewart Lee live DVD and iDos! in November to look forward to.
Metallica's new live DVD and iTre! to look forward to in December.
Quote from: Nest777 on October 29, 2012, 12:56:24 PM
Quote from: Dreamer81 on October 29, 2012, 12:04:15 AM
Quote from: Perpetual Change on October 28, 2012, 06:52:23 AM
How could the DVD have been "pushed back" to February if this is the first thing we've actually seen resembling a release date?
you're right but the hope were high for a release around christmas, in February the new JLB solo album will be out too..
I don't know where are you getting that information, but it isn't true: https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/257183618533847042
I can't find it right now , but on his FB Marco Sfogli said in February....
News on JLB's latest tweet :
James LaBrie @Piratecjs
Solo album is coming along very well. DVD is being mixed and visually edited. It will be incredible. Talk to u soon.
Cool!
B.Lee
Quote from: Bertielee on November 06, 2012, 03:49:01 AM
News on JLB's latest tweet :
James LaBrie @Piratecjs
Solo album is coming along very well. DVD is being mixed and visually edited. It will be incredible. Talk to u soon.
Cool!
B.Lee
Sweet.
Awesome.
JLB, why must you tease us so.
DO NOT GET EXCITED! I'M NOT BRINGING NEWS!
But I would like to know if someone has heard anything about this release :biggrin:
you are just the worst kind of person >_<
>:(
Quote from: JayOctavarium on October 28, 2012, 11:11:04 PM
Quote from: philmcson on October 28, 2012, 10:59:58 PM
And while we are waiting for the official DVD, why not order something from Ytsejam? I'd really dig if they'd add a show from BCSL/Progressive Nation 2009 tour. With a show from Final Frontier World Tour with Iron Maiden. As bonus :hat
Too bad that is all up to :psychosane:
You sure? I'm sure he said he can no longer sell any DT things on ystejam?
I think it was something along the lines of
" :'( Sorry guys I really want to release all this stuff I have in the vault - stuff like a BCSL tour DVD and lots of other stuff that YOU really want ... but it's up to THEM to say go ahead. Sorry Guys I would really love to release THE BCSL TOUR DVD. :'( But until then - buy Adrenaline Mob's new CD and my Drum cam DVD and Flying Colours CD and Flying Drum Cam DVD. "
Quote from: Kotowboy on December 14, 2012, 07:39:12 PM
I think it was something along the lines of
" :'( Sorry guys I really want to release all this stuff I have in the vault - stuff like a BCSL tour DVD and lots of other stuff that YOU really want ... but it's up to THEM to say go ahead. Sorry Guys I would really love to release THE BCSL TOUR DVD. :'( But until then - buy Adrenaline Mob's new CD and my Drum cam DVD and Flying Colours CD and Flying Drum Cam DVD. "
Yup He'll gladly give them the recordings if they ask for them. Although he would if he could. But as it seems the guys are set on looking foward, in time they might look back and release past shows, but I understand the guys are driving on this current energy they have now.
Somebody over on the Over The Edge Facebook page says the estimated time for release will be May but it could change.
Quote from: jonny108 on December 16, 2012, 06:23:11 PM
Somebody over on the Over The Edge Facebook page says the estimated time for release will be May but it could change.
February,...... April,....... May...........
Why not October, dammit!? :tdwn
As long as they do it right, they can take the time they need. I'm in no rush to see it, but it would be awesome to see a release before the summer time.
Quote from: philmcson on December 16, 2012, 07:01:27 PM
Why not October, dammit!? :tdwn
October? Why not Zoidberg?
Quote from: jonny108 on December 16, 2012, 06:23:11 PM
Somebody over on the Over The Edge Facebook page says the estimated time for release will be May but it could change.
Not counting the troubled LSFNY, thismone will benthe longest wait for a DT live album. :-[
Quote from: wasteland on December 16, 2012, 11:26:58 PM
Quote from: jonny108 on December 16, 2012, 06:23:11 PM
Somebody over on the Over The Edge Facebook page says the estimated time for release will be May but it could change.
Not counting the troubled LSFNY, thismone will benthe longest wait for a DT live album. :-[
Someone was typing on their iPad. :rollin
I do the same "m" instead of space deal all the time.
Quote from: Mindflux on December 17, 2012, 07:45:55 AM
Quote from: wasteland on December 16, 2012, 11:26:58 PM
Quote from: jonny108 on December 16, 2012, 06:23:11 PM
Somebody over on the Over The Edge Facebook page says the estimated time for release will be May but it could change.
Not counting the troubled LSFNY, thismone will benthe longest wait for a DT live album. :-[
Someone was typing on their iPad. :rollin
I do the same "m" instead of space deal all the time.
Isn't that fucking annoying? "m" and "n" all the time.! :lol
Quote from: wasteland on December 17, 2012, 07:50:01 AM
Quote from: Mindflux on December 17, 2012, 07:45:55 AM
Quote from: wasteland on December 16, 2012, 11:26:58 PM
Quote from: jonny108 on December 16, 2012, 06:23:11 PM
Somebody over on the Over The Edge Facebook page says the estimated time for release will be May but it could change.
Not counting the troubled LSFNY, thismone will benthe longest wait for a DT live album. :-[
Someone was typing on their iPad. :rollin
I do the same "m" instead of space deal all the time.
Isn't that fucking annoying? "m" and "n" all the time.! :lol
It especially drives me nuts when I've written out a couple paragraphs and I go back to proof read it and it's littered with crap crammed together. How does autocorrect not know this stuff by now!?
:lol
Quote from: Ben_Jamin on December 15, 2012, 12:23:18 PM
Yup He'll gladly give them the recordings if they ask for them.
I have seen no evidence in support of this.
the DVD will be released in May......quote from FB page:
QuoteOver the Edge Productions I think the estimated release is in May but that could change
Sure hope it changes to be earlier.
I hope the delay comes as a result of them putting together some killer bonus features.
DT Action figures
Quote from: cyberdrummer on December 17, 2012, 01:15:41 PM
I hope the delay comes as a result of them putting together some killer bonus features.
Free bacon?
DT and bacon? That's hardly fair to the other bands out there. So just take your live DVD and shut up.
:lol
I fully expect a Petrucci fitness dvd as part of the package, which tracks his regime as he prepares physically for the concerts.
Quote from: Scorpion on December 17, 2012, 01:22:50 PM
DT and bacon? That's hardly fair to the other bands out there. So just take your live DVD and shut up.
was expected that :biggrin:
Quote from: cyberdrummer on December 17, 2012, 01:30:41 PM
I fully expect a Petrucci fitness dvd as part of the package, which tracks his regime as he prepares physically for the concerts.
.....and a video of him waxing his arms before going on stage.
Quote from: cyberdrummer on December 17, 2012, 01:15:41 PM
I hope the delay comes as a result of them putting together some killer bonus features.
How could there be a delay when no date has ever been announced?
Quote from: Perpetual Change on December 17, 2012, 04:34:27 PM
Quote from: cyberdrummer on December 17, 2012, 01:15:41 PM
I hope the delay comes as a result of them putting together some killer bonus features.
How could there be a delay when no date has ever been announced?
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:clap:
I'm prepared to wait a little longer as long as they avoid epileptic fit inducing edits every couple seconds or so...
Keep the cameras on the interesting stuff going on.
Maybe they are releasing in May so they can release it on the back of a new single
Quote from: Perpetual Change on December 17, 2012, 04:34:27 PM
Quote from: cyberdrummer on December 17, 2012, 01:15:41 PM
I hope the delay comes as a result of them putting together some killer bonus features.
How could there be a delay when no date has ever been announced?
Maybe delay is the wrong word, but it's certainly a longer wait than I expected, relative to how long many music dvds take to be released nowadays.
Possibly touching up on vocals, labrie had some good but some bad vocals in the tour.
Plus its 2 concerts so it will take longer to balance and edit.
They can take as much time as they want, as long as the end result will be as good as or better than Budokan. Despite all purposes, Chaos in Motion was a terrible experience after which I crave for quality.
Quote from: jonnybaxy on December 19, 2012, 02:48:10 PM
Possibly touching up on vocals, labrie had some good but some bad vocals in the tour.
Plus its 2 concerts so it will take longer to balance and edit.
Just like every singer on every tour ;) I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who can confirm, based on the clips that were pulled down from youtube, that he had outdone his (already quite good, by all accounts) average tour performance on quite a few important songs those two nights. So fret not.
Since August > May is nine months, my guess is that the DVD will come to this Earth by the means of a human female who will give birth to it.
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on December 19, 2012, 03:09:32 PMSince August > May is nine months, my guess is that the DVD will come to this Earth by the means of a human female who will give birth to it.
That's a nice analogy, especially coming from a ♀.
Quote from: Sycsa on December 19, 2012, 03:12:03 PM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on December 19, 2012, 03:09:32 PMSince August > May is nine months, my guess is that the DVD will come to this Earth by the means of a human female who will give birth to it.
That's a nice analogy, especially coming from a ♀.
The DVD will be titled Metropolis Pt. 3: Live from Victoria's Vagina.
Quote from: GasparXR on December 19, 2012, 03:22:22 PM
Quote from: Sycsa on December 19, 2012, 03:12:03 PM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on December 19, 2012, 03:09:32 PMSince August > May is nine months, my guess is that the DVD will come to this Earth by the means of a human female who will give birth to it.
That's a nice analogy, especially coming from a ♀.
The DVD will be titled Metropolis Pt. 3: Live from Victoria's Vagina.
This kinda reminds me of a scene from the film "Dictator", but if you'd substitute Aladeen and Zoey with JM and JR.......... oh well......... :|
An option to watch every member individually would be sweet.
I know i'd just choose to watch Mike the whole time :D
Quote from: jonnybaxy on December 19, 2012, 02:48:10 PM
Possibly touching up on vocals, labrie had some good but some bad vocals in the tour.
Plus its 2 concerts so it will take longer to balance and edit.
Luckily, they were mostly good. (Unlike his 5 or 6 past tours or so)
Quote from: Kotowboy on December 20, 2012, 07:10:41 AM
An option to watch every member individually would be sweet.
I know i'd just choose to watch Mike the whole time :D
Oh yes!
My biggest musical dream is to get an AAA pass to their show, I think I'd sit behind MM at the beginning of the show and just drool for 2+ hours..... :o
Everytime I see this thread updated, it makes me think that we should have one thread for NEWS and one thread for HOPES! :lol
Quote from: TAC on December 20, 2012, 11:59:49 AM
Everytime I see this thread updated, it makes me think that we should have one thread for NEWS and one thread for HOPES! :lol
Scroll back a couple pages where I expressed similar desires, and look what they did to me :D
Quote from: Kotowboy on December 20, 2012, 07:10:41 AM
An option to watch every member individually would be sweet.
No thanks.
On the surface it sounds like a great idea and one that the fans have been thinking about for a long time, but in practice it gets old fast. I think it worked great as a special feature on Live at Budokan for the one song that it made sense for (Dance of Eterinity), but in the long run I just don't think it's worth the effort.
As long as the editing is done well and shows the appropriate player, and even some split-screens, then it's going to be awesome.
Nothing really new here, but:
https://statigr.am/p/357589386805756776_225075111
Quote@arieanggonoo yep! This is the official DVD filmed at Luna Park. It looks like it will be released in the spring
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:metal
So, we'll still have to wait from 3 to 6 months. Reminds me of the final scene of Ocean's Eleven. :lol
Man they are just looking for trouble :D
Spring is way too far away.
They are procrastinating way too much, I mean, this dude on the pic has obviously closed the laptop because it's obvious he's been reading webcomics all day long :lol
Seriously though. When you are ready *cue OSI tune*...
Edit: He didn't say spring of which year either! :P
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on December 30, 2012, 11:08:37 AM
They are procrastinating way too much, I mean, this dude on the pic has obviously closed the laptop because it's obvious he's been reading webcomics all day long :lol
Seriously though. When you are ready *cue OSI tune*...
I was rather thinking cue ChromaKey tune :lol
Anyway, yes! Quit talking, keep working! :police:
This was already posted on their FB page some time ago; when asked about the release date, "approximately in May but it could change" so this is NO news at all.....
Quote from: wasteland on December 30, 2012, 11:10:59 AM
I was rather thinking cue ChromaKey tune :lol
You're right. YOU GO NOW, OVER THE EDGE! :metal
Quote from: philmcson on December 30, 2012, 11:21:14 AM
This was already posted on their FB page some time ago; when asked about the release date, "approximately in May but it could change" so this is NO news at all.....
Yeah, we all saw, this is a smidge more confirmed though I guess.
A smidge more confirmed, a smidge less certain 'bout the release period/date :D ::)
Spring huh? Well, the release of the new live album/DVD may be a bit far away right now, but the time between that and DT12 will be a lot shorter !!!
Quote from: darkshade on December 30, 2012, 11:51:45 AM
Spring huh? Well, the release of the new live album/DVD may be a bit far away right now, but the time between that and DT12 will be a lot shorter !!!
But I don't live in the future! :'(
Quote from: philmcson on December 30, 2012, 11:30:26 AM
A smidge more confirmed, a smidge less certain 'bout the release period/date :D ::)
Well that means they have reconsidered the date :P indeed, that is only more confirmed by using my logic but if you open up your mind just a little bit... you'll be just like me. Yes, do not do that.
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on December 30, 2012, 11:57:18 AM
Quote from: darkshade on December 30, 2012, 11:51:45 AM
Spring huh? Well, the release of the new live album/DVD may be a bit far away right now, but the time between that and DT12 will be a lot shorter !!!
But I don't live in the future! :'(
True, we all Live In The Moment... ;D
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on December 30, 2012, 11:57:18 AM
Quote from: philmcson on December 30, 2012, 11:30:26 AM
A smidge more confirmed, a smidge less certain 'bout the release period/date :D ::)
Well that means they have reconsidered the date :P indeed, that is only more confirmed by using my logic but if you open up your mind just a little bit... you'll be just like me. Yes, do not do that.
I didn't even consider..... :lol
Quote from: wasteland on December 30, 2012, 11:58:31 AM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on December 30, 2012, 11:57:18 AM
Quote from: darkshade on December 30, 2012, 11:51:45 AM
Spring huh? Well, the release of the new live album/DVD may be a bit far away right now, but the time between that and DT12 will be a lot shorter !!!
But I don't live in the future! :'(
True, we all Live In The Moment... ;D
That place sucks.
They sure are taking their sweet ass time with this DVD. Just fucking EDIT it!!! Score took less than 6 months, so there's no reason why this should have to take a year.
Quote from: DTFan0789 on January 04, 2013, 07:47:06 AM
They sure are taking their sweet ass time with this DVD. Just fucking EDIT it!!! Score took less than 6 months, so there's no reason why this should have to take a year.
The shows were recorded in August. So it's been 5 months now. Calm down?
Quote from: DTFan0789 on January 04, 2013, 07:47:06 AM
They sure are taking their sweet ass time with this DVD. Just fucking EDIT it!!! Score took less than 6 months, so there's no reason why this should have to take a year.
Here, have one of these :chill
Quote from: DTFan0789 on January 04, 2013, 07:47:06 AM
They sure are taking their sweet ass time with this DVD. Just fucking EDIT it!!! Score took less than 6 months, so there's no reason why this should have to take a year.
Hey, bitch a little more, that will make it better for everyone.
Score was also only ONE night. The upcoming Live At Luna Park release will have material from TWO shows. It's still not known whether or not both shows will remain intact or if they will integrate both shows into one seamless concert to include ALL of the songs played between both nights, so with either option available, the time it's taking them to put this set together is understandable.
And I'm completely okay with that. Especially if the CD version of the show (if we DO get one, and I hope we do) is an integrated show with all the tracks played live!
-Marc.
Quote from: DTFan0789 on January 04, 2013, 07:47:06 AM
They sure are taking their sweet ass time with this DVD. Just fucking EDIT it!!! Score took less than 6 months, so there's no reason why this should have to take a year.
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That doesn't work quite as well as it would with many other avatars. :lol
I know :(
Hope the message gets through, though. :D
I think I have never fully grasped the meaning of avatar quoting :blush
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on January 04, 2013, 09:12:54 AM
Quote from: DTFan0789 on January 04, 2013, 07:47:06 AM
They sure are taking their sweet ass time with this DVD. Just fucking EDIT it!!! Score took less than 6 months, so there's no reason why this should have to take a year.
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Better?
Quote from: wasteland on January 04, 2013, 09:21:49 AM
I think I have never fully grasped the meaning of avatar quoting :blush
It's only really funny in a certain context, mainly if the avatar of the person saying whatever they were saying somehow fits what they were saying. Example:
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Oh god that song was so amazing. I came into my pants when Steven Wilson's vocals entered at 7:24 hhnnnnnnnnnnnnnghhhhhhhh
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In this case, the guy in the avatar fits LLTWM's statement perfectly, thus making it funny.
:lol
And Milenas avatar works darn well for quoting pretty much all the time.
Quote from: Zydar on January 04, 2013, 09:47:23 AM
And Milenas avatar works darn well for quoting pretty much all the time.
Absolutely all the time.
The question is: should she revert to the original avatar or keep the snow until spring?
Quote from: Zydar on January 04, 2013, 09:47:23 AM
And Milenas avatar works darn well for quoting pretty much all the time.
That's what i thought.
Quote from: wasteland on January 04, 2013, 09:49:32 AM
The question is: should she revert to the original avatar or keep the snow until spring?
The quoting works for both. :)
Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 04, 2013, 09:49:58 AM
Quote from: Zydar on January 04, 2013, 09:47:23 AM
And Milenas avatar works darn well for quoting pretty much all the time.
That's what i thought.
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Quote from: Zydar on January 04, 2013, 09:51:55 AM
Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 04, 2013, 09:49:58 AM
Quote from: Zydar on January 04, 2013, 09:47:23 AM
And Milenas avatar works darn well for quoting pretty much all the time.
That's what i thought.
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I see what you did thar.
:rollin :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :rollin
This is getting out of hand. :lol
So, to get back on topic, I remember reports of the gigs saying that the crowd wasn't really into it if not on key songs like Metropolis and Pull Me Under. :-\
Quote from: wasteland on January 04, 2013, 09:57:24 AM
This is getting out of hand.
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:lol
I can't say I didn't see that one coming :-X
Quote from: wasteland on January 04, 2013, 09:57:24 AM
This is getting out of hand. :lol
So, to get back on topic, I remember reports of the gigs saying that the crowd wasn't really into it if not on key songs like Metropolis and Pull Me Under. :-\
Unfortunately this was the case. The first night people were very into BITS and one or two other songs. The second night started good but the crowd again failed. Both encores were amazing though.
I have to put some of the blame on DT because the sound wasn't good, it seemed they were far more concerned on what the DVD was going to sound like than delivering good sound to the people at the concert. The 4 times I had seen DT perform in that venue they always sounded perfect.
Well then they got the show they deserved.
All the more for us at home ! :p
I'd really like to see all the stuffs from ADTOE.. I'm praying for "On The Backs Of Angels", "Outcry", "Breaking All Illusions", "Lost Not Forgotten" and "Bridges In The Sky"...
Quote from: Filipe_metalhead on January 04, 2013, 03:36:39 PM
I'd really like to see all the stuffs from ADTOE.. I'm praying for "On The Backs Of Angels", "Outcry", "Breaking All Illusions", "Lost Not Forgotten" and "Bridges In The Sky"...
They played every song you mentioned. And every song you mentioned is going to make it to the DVD. Are you happy? :)
yup... Great tunes!!
is this the setlist from houston??
Bridges in the Sky
These Walls
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Endless Sacrifice
Drum Solo
The Ytse Jam
Outcry
The Silent Man
Beneath the Surface
On the Backs of Angels
Forsaken
Through My Words
Fatal Tragedy
Breaking All Illusions
Under a Glass Moon
I suppose so, but it doesn't really have anything to do with the DVD.
What do you mean?? Are they making something like Chaos In Motion?? Besides, it's kinda sad they didn't made any DVD from the Black Clouds & Silver Linings era... It would be awesome to see "The Count Of Tuscany" in High Quality...
Filipe, where have you been, man?
Well, They did two nights at the same place (Luna Park, BA), they were filmed for the DVD. TCOT is not included for the DVD but hopefully we can get it as an extra song with high quality from Europe tour. AFAIK, James is now in control for bootlegs.
Quote from: SeRoX on January 04, 2013, 04:08:32 PM
AFAIK, James is now in control for bootlegs.
Unfortunately, I don't think we'll see anything from Ytsejam boots for awhile. They're certainly not going to release anything to compete with Live In Luna Park.
Btw, who is mixing the audio? There was a tweet by James directed at Richard Chyuki about it but then Richard said he wasnt able to do it (probably some Rush work)
Quote from: SeRoX on January 04, 2013, 04:08:32 PM
Filipe, where have you been, man?
Well, They did two nights at the same place (Luna Park, BA), they were filmed for the DVD. TCOT is not included for the DVD but hopefully we can get it as an extra song with high quality from Europe tour. AFAIK, James is now in control for bootlegs.
I also heard the same thing regarding YJR. James said in an interview that some things were lined up. That could mean a year from now, but at least we can remain hopeful.
If we do get any bonus tracks, TCOT and/or Learning to Live from High Voltage festival would be excellent choices. Proshot and decent sound.
Yes. I say that the High Voltage DVD will come a few months after the new album, likely by Christmas 2013, while the band will likely be in a break between tours.
Ι really hope we get The Great Debate on some official release, i think James was great when they played it in Athens, and the drums were very good (not so much on the fast double bass parts where the bass drum was inaudible, but good nonetheless)
Quote from: nikatapi on January 05, 2013, 04:10:00 AM
Ι really hope we get The Great Debate on some official release, i think James was great when they played it in Athens, and the drums were very good (not so much on the fast double bass parts where the bass drum was inaudible, but good nonetheless)
Yes!
I am grateful I got to see them play the Great Debate since they ended up taking it out of the set about halfway into the tour.
Kinda makes up for not getting to see them play Outcry or Beneath the Surface on either of the Chicago gigs.
I'm just excited to have the first DT dvd since Live In Tokyo, not to have a close up of Portnoy for EVERY OTHER SHOT. It's rather obviouss who the director was on the other ones.
Quote from: chaotic_ripper on January 06, 2013, 04:43:59 PM
I'm just excited to have the first DT dvd since Live In Tokyo, not to have a close up of Portnoy for EVERY OTHER SHOT. It's rather obviouss who the director was on the other ones.
I mean, it's not like the camera-people had anything to do with the close-ups at all. Also, MP was the drummer, and he was a huge showman, and he also sang back-up vocals and some lead, so would his spot light in the DVDs really be that crazy?
-Marc.
Just a little
Quote from: The Letter M on January 06, 2013, 04:53:20 PM
Quote from: chaotic_ripper on January 06, 2013, 04:43:59 PM
I'm just excited to have the first DT dvd since Live In Tokyo, not to have a close up of Portnoy for EVERY OTHER SHOT. It's rather obviouss who the director was on the other ones.
I mean, it's not like the camera-people had anything to do with the close-ups at all. Also, MP was the drummer, and he was a huge showman, and he also sang back-up vocals and some lead, so would his spot light in the DVDs really be that crazy?
-Marc.
As far as I'm aware, probably nothing to do with the camera-people. They just record it. They'd have three hours of each band member, not counting extra angles. That'd be an editing decision, and probably is down to Mike Portnoy, depending on how hands-on he was with his producer hat. (My guess would be very!)
But I agree, his spotlight isn't that crazy. Did seem a tad excessive every now and then, but he's very much the on-stage co-ordinator. Four other band members, of whom James LaBrie's frequently off-stage and John Myung could easily be mistaken for the venue's wallpaper, so they could easily have been neglected, and yet everyone feels very well represented. There are a couple of moments, looking back, when I've thought, "Really? We're cutting to Portnoy, now?" but they're few and far between. Mike Portnoy generally knows exactly which musician's in the limelight at any given moment in any given song, and the Dream Theater DVDs we've got are among the most intelligently-cut live DVDs I've seen. It favours Mike Portnoy now and then, but it really is occasional. Score, Budokan, Chaos in Motion for all its faults - they all basically look like portraits of five-piece bands, and that seems to be a surprisingly hard thing to nail.
Quote from: The Letter M on January 06, 2013, 04:53:20 PM
Quote from: chaotic_ripper on January 06, 2013, 04:43:59 PM
I'm just excited to have the first DT dvd since Live In Tokyo, not to have a close up of Portnoy for EVERY OTHER SHOT. It's rather obviouss who the director was on the other ones.
I mean, it's not like the camera-people had anything to do with the close-ups at all. Also, MP was the drummer, and he was a huge showman, and he also sang back-up vocals and some lead, so would his spot light in the DVDs really be that crazy?
-Marc.
He talked about being a part of the editing process on the DVDs, which is where all of the shots are edited together. Just watch them with that in mind and you'll notice that he seems to, individually, have a lot more face-time than the other members. Yes, he was a showman. And I loved watching him play. But I think this DVD will be a little more equal, as far as editing the shots of the band memebers.
Quote from: robwebster on January 06, 2013, 05:15:38 PM
Quote from: The Letter M on January 06, 2013, 04:53:20 PM
Quote from: chaotic_ripper on January 06, 2013, 04:43:59 PM
I'm just excited to have the first DT dvd since Live In Tokyo, not to have a close up of Portnoy for EVERY OTHER SHOT. It's rather obviouss who the director was on the other ones.
I mean, it's not like the camera-people had anything to do with the close-ups at all. Also, MP was the drummer, and he was a huge showman, and he also sang back-up vocals and some lead, so would his spot light in the DVDs really be that crazy?
-Marc.
As far as I'm aware, probably nothing to do with the camera-people. They just record it. They'd have three hours of each band member, not counting extra angles. That'd be an editing decision, and probably is down to Mike Portnoy, depending on how hands-on he was with his producer hat. (My guess would be very!)
But I agree, his spotlight isn't that crazy. Did seem a tad excessive every now and then, but he's very much the on-stage co-ordinator. Four other band members, of whom James LaBrie's frequently off-stage and John Myung could easily be mistaken for the venue's wallpaper, so they could easily have been neglected, and yet everyone feels very well represented. There are a couple of moments, looking back, when I've thought, "Really? We're cutting to Portnoy, now?" but they're few and far between. Mike Portnoy generally knows exactly which musician's in the limelight at any given moment in any given song, and the Dream Theater DVDs we've got are among the most intelligently-cut live DVDs I've seen. It favours Mike Portnoy now and then, but it really is occasional. Score, Budokan, Chaos in Motion for all its faults - they all basically look like portraits of five-piece bands, and that seems to be a surprisingly hard thing to nail.
I'll agree. It's been awhile since I've watched any DT dvds, but you're right - the officially released sets do have a lot of footage of everyone, and it's appropriate. It's not as bad as some of the recent Rush DVDs, with quick cuts and missing solos and exposed parts that should be shown. In some cases, fan bootlegs have better shots in terms of when to show which player!
-Marc.
The other thing to keep in mind with the drumming is that, with the exception of JM, every other player has a bunch of screen time basically blocked out. You know JP and JR are going to be on screen for at least the bulk of their solos, and James will be prominently featured on the vocal sections. And yet MP was a big draw to the band, he sang backing, he played interesting parts, and he was always doing showy stuff, so in a sense, having him on a bit "extra" actually evens out the score--the other guys had those areas of screen time "built in" in a sense, so to make up for it, MP got a bit more time than you'd expect on the parts where there's no solo or vocals or whatever. Like Rob said, there is the very occasional "Okay MP, we get it, you love the camera"-type cut, but it's very occasional and I really don't think it's a big deal.
Just imagine JM having too much screen time....... yawn! [/troll]
Quote from: philmcson on January 06, 2013, 08:24:21 PM
Just imagine JM having too much screen time....... yawn! [/troll]
Under A Glass Moon from Live in Tokyo proves that there is never enough John Myung screen time.
And before Never Enough jokes
And before "There are Never Enough jokes on Dream Theater Forums"
ehm
...it's 2013 with plasmas and LEDs everywhere and we're still talking DVD? or am i missing something?
Yes, we are.
Quote from: chaotic_ripper on January 06, 2013, 04:43:59 PM
I'm just excited to have the first DT dvd since Live In Tokyo, not to have a close up of Portnoy for EVERY OTHER SHOT. It's rather obviouss who the director was on the other ones.
Agreed. I still can't believe how awful the editing was for LSFNY. Myung is barely shown throughout almost all of Through Her Eyes, which is a travesty considering how awesome his fretless bass work in that tune is.
Quote from: KevShmev on January 06, 2013, 09:13:36 PM
Quote from: chaotic_ripper on January 06, 2013, 04:43:59 PM
I'm just excited to have the first DT dvd since Live In Tokyo, not to have a close up of Portnoy for EVERY OTHER SHOT. It's rather obviouss who the director was on the other ones.
Agreed. I still can't believe how awful the editing was for LSFNY. Myung is barely shown throughout almost all of Through Her Eyes, which is a travesty considering how awesome his fretless bass work in that tune is.
Or rather, A Fatal Tragedy...
You saw that coming right? :lhk:
Quote from: Cedar redaC on January 06, 2013, 09:18:23 PM
Quote from: KevShmev on January 06, 2013, 09:13:36 PM
Quote from: chaotic_ripper on January 06, 2013, 04:43:59 PM
I'm just excited to have the first DT dvd since Live In Tokyo, not to have a close up of Portnoy for EVERY OTHER SHOT. It's rather obviouss who the director was on the other ones.
Agreed. I still can't believe how awful the editing was for LSFNY. Myung is barely shown throughout almost all of Through Her Eyes, which is a travesty considering how awesome his fretless bass work in that tune is.
Or rather, A Fatal Tragedy...
You saw that coming right? :lhk:
More so than Victoria saw a gun-wielding Edward...
-Marc.
This guy :tup :metal
Quote from: KevShmev on January 06, 2013, 09:13:36 PM
Quote from: chaotic_ripper on January 06, 2013, 04:43:59 PM
I'm just excited to have the first DT dvd since Live In Tokyo, not to have a close up of Portnoy for EVERY OTHER SHOT. It's rather obviouss who the director was on the other ones.
Agreed. I still can't believe how awful the editing was for LSFNY. Myung is barely shown throughout almost all of Through Her Eyes, which is a travesty considering how awesome his fretless bass work in that tune is.
The complete lack of JM on THE is really apparent. I think that the camera-men on the night must have dropped the ball and didn't cover him very well, because I can't believe they would have left him out if they had the footage.
Reminds me of OIALT where I recall MP said on the commentary that he had to pull the Metropolis bass solo footage from another show, because there was no footage of him playing it from that particular night.
Quote from: majo on January 06, 2013, 09:04:41 PM
ehm
...it's 2013 with plasmas and LEDs everywhere and we're still talking DVD? or am i missing something?
Only people still stuck in the past. There was a VHS for them when Budokan came out, right? :P
I for one will be purchasing the bluray!
Quote from: majo on January 06, 2013, 09:04:41 PM
ehm
...it's 2013 with plasmas and LEDs everywhere and we're still talking DVD? or am i missing something?
Maybe not everyone has limitless disposable income like you do? Or maybe some of us have mortgages, families, etc?
Quote from: majo on January 06, 2013, 09:04:41 PM
ehm
...it's 2013 with plasmas and LEDs everywhere and we're still talking DVD? or am i missing something?
I'm poor, and I've spent umpteen hundred quid over however many years on my still relatively meagre DVD collection. Yes, you're missing something!
High definition is kind of overrated. Nice when you can afford it, and we've got HD television screens in my house, as well as an HD set top box since it was free to upgrade, but if it's clarity or money? I'd rather have the money. So would millions of others, judging by the ratio of blu-ray to HD in the shops I've seen around here, certainly - and having googled it, this isn't localised to my high street:
https://www.foxnews.com/tech/2011/04/19/feeling-blue-blu-ray/
I've got a bunch of high definition channels. I've also got a bunch of standard def ones. While I do enjoy the HD ones, I can't say I feel like I'm missing anything when I switch to SD. Certainly not enough to either a. spend £70 on every room with a screen on, or b. have my favourite shows on discs that only work on one telly.
There's nothing in it for most consumers. The difference between a DVD and a VHS was like the difference between a CD and a cassette. Both clear upgrades, that offered extra function as well as extra quality. The difference between a blu-ray and a DVD is a little more striking than the difference between, let's say, an MP3 download and a CD, but in both cases, the market has favoured the more convenient product. Because nobody was saying, in 2003, "God, I wish this DVD was a bit clearer." Would it be nice to see more pores on Karen Gillan's face, or see Dream Theater's live show with more vivid colours? Absolutely. "Yes," to both. But what I really want to pay for, the most important quality of the product, is the stories, or the music, and the ability to watch them wherever I want. And that's more important than visual quality, or seeing the dandruff on John Myung's shoulders, or completing my Karen Gillan freckle-map.
Great that you've got the disposable income. Envy it. If you've got it, spend it, and you clearly have, and all the power in the world to you. But you've missed loads. The world's huge! Blu-Ray sadly isn't practical, not in a world that's embraced the DVD player like it has. And it's not like the upgrade from VHS, where we see the new technology, coo, and go, "Oh, you can skip chapters, and add bonus features, and the tape doesn't unravel, and you don't have to spend ages fast forwarding, yes, that is clearly more useful." Because with the Blu-Ray, there's no new functionality. It's the exact same thing with a nicer picture. And to most people, that's not exciting. That's a chore. A hassle. I looked at my DVD collection, sighed, and went, "Really? Again?" Going by the evidence, I'm not alone.
Besides. It'll all be wireless before long. Smart TVs can't be too far away. When high-definition home media is easily accessible, when we can store it all on a central media center and play it anywhere in the house, I think people will be falling over themselves to buy HD media. Usefulness
and quality. But as it is?
https://www.digital-digest.com/blog/DVDGuy/2012/05/09/blu-ray-the-state-of-play-may-2012/
As late as May last year, Blu-Ray only accounted for 25% of all video sales. The market share's increasing, but it's not setting the world on fire. And this isn't new technology. Blu-Ray was outselling HD DVD as early as January 2007. People just plain aren't embracing it.
...So it's safe to say I probably won't be getting Luna Park in HD. But who knows! A lot can change in three months.
BRs discs/movies are still expensive. Paying 25-30 bucks when I can pay 10-15 on release date for a DVD...it's 10 bucks!
Rob, depending on what you're watching... it CAN be like night and day. Especially on concert DVDs, where you really tend to notice more if sound especially is being compressed to save space. PT's Anesthetize BluRay is like night and day compared to the DVD version. Also, how can you stand watching SD channels on new TVs? They look so noticeably worse than HD ones to me, an even greater difference than VHS/DVD had.
That said, I don't see the need to rebuy all my movies in the new format when it comes out. But after comparing BluRay, which I got for Christmas, with my regular DVDs, it's safe to say that from here on out I'll be buying any new things as well as things I didn't have yet on BluRay.
I think that it is easiest to see the difference between the two when you are looking at something with a lot of contrasting colors really close together, such as a football game (I am intending the American version of the game, but the rest of the world's football would be an adequate example as well.)
Quote from: Perpetual Change on January 07, 2013, 09:41:08 AM
Rob, depending on what you’re watching… it CAN be like night and day. Especially on concert DVDs, where you really tend to notice more if sound especially is being compressed to save space. PT’s Anesthetize BluRay is like night and day compared to the DVD version. Also, how can you stand watching SD channels on new TVs? They look so noticeably worse than HD ones to me, an even greater difference than VHS/DVD had.
That said, I don’t see the need to rebuy all my movies in the new format when it comes out. But after comparing BluRay, which I got for Christmas, with my regular DVDs, it’s safe to say that from here on out I’ll be buying any new things as well as things I didn’t have yet on BluRay.
Oh, it's great technology! I'm not saying it's rubbish, I think it's fantastic. High-definition footage has finally been made accessible for public consumption - how cool's that?! And yes, I'm sure I wouldn't have to replace my entire DVD collection, not least because they never filmed Jonathan Creek in high-definition in the first place. Finally, we can choose to watch our films, TV shows and bands in impeccable quality. I always record TV shows in HD when I have the option. I agree, it's lovely, and it empowers the consumer. Gives them more choice.
But that's exactly what it is - the
option. It's not a leap forward, it's a leap sideways. A parallel. Blu-Ray is 5.1 to DVD's stereo. FLAC downloads versus MP3. If you able to store it, and play it, and afford it, brilliant. Absolutely, take that opportunity, it's gold dust. But for a lot of people, it's inconvenient technology, and a blu-ray disc's utility is severely limited in comparison to a DVD. A DVD will play on most things - the TV screen (HD TV screen, at that!) in my room's even got a DVD player built in. Couldn't find one with a Blu-Ray player.
Honestly, they nailed it with the name. DVD - Digital Versatile Disc. Blu-Rays aren't versatile enough. I'm sure this will change, gradually, over time, as high-definition technology becomes more accessible and affordable. Might be in the next home media cycle, might be in the present one, I don't know, I'm not an expert, I'm a consumer with an opinion. But for now, DVD isn't even close to being redundant technology. Even if I had a Blu-Ray player in the front room, I'd rather be able to take my new Dream Theater disc or my Doctor Who box set upstairs, or put it on my laptop, or watch it on my Xbox. Blu-Ray doesn't have any killer functionality, it's not the quantum leap from VHS to DVD. It's just a shinier DVD. It's an alternative to DVDs, not a replacement, not yet.
Quote from: robwebster on January 07, 2013, 11:35:25 AMEven if I had a Blu-Ray player in the front room, I'd rather be able to take my new Dream Theater disc or my Doctor Who box set upstairs, or put it on my laptop, or watch it on my Xbox. Blu-Ray doesn't have any killer functionality, it's not the quantum leap from VHS to DVD. It's just a shinier DVD. It's an alternative to DVDs, not a replacement, not yet.
For the record most blu-rays (or at least most of the ones I buy) come with either a DVD or a digital copy (either on disc or for download). In the US, anyway.
Quote from: ZirconBlue on January 07, 2013, 11:43:45 AM
Quote from: robwebster on January 07, 2013, 11:35:25 AMEven if I had a Blu-Ray player in the front room, I'd rather be able to take my new Dream Theater disc or my Doctor Who box set upstairs, or put it on my laptop, or watch it on my Xbox. Blu-Ray doesn't have any killer functionality, it's not the quantum leap from VHS to DVD. It's just a shinier DVD. It's an alternative to DVDs, not a replacement, not yet.
For the record most blu-rays (or at least most of the ones I buy) come with either a DVD or a digital copy (either on disc or for download). In the US, anyway.
Oh!! That's cool. I hope it's the same here. What, even box sets?!
Still - there we go, parallel technology! Blu-Ray's not really succeeding at replacing the DVD. By the evidence, it's probably not trying to.
Eh, I agree, it's not really a complete job forward. But it's more than a jump laterally. It is, at least, a good diagonal leap.
I held off getting any Home Theater stuff until this year, when my parents got me a whole bluray 5.1 system for a great price. I'm glad I did. BluRay players aren't even that expensive anymore anyway, though. And I can still play DVDs in it, anyway. Prior to, I only had my XBOX 360 to watch DVDs on; not a great DVD player at all.
Quote from: ZirconBlue on January 07, 2013, 11:43:45 AM
Quote from: robwebster on January 07, 2013, 11:35:25 AMEven if I had a Blu-Ray player in the front room, I'd rather be able to take my new Dream Theater disc or my Doctor Who box set upstairs, or put it on my laptop, or watch it on my Xbox. Blu-Ray doesn't have any killer functionality, it's not the quantum leap from VHS to DVD. It's just a shinier DVD. It's an alternative to DVDs, not a replacement, not yet.
For the record most blu-rays (or at least most of the ones I buy) come with either a DVD or a digital copy (either on disc or for download). In the US, anyway.
Yeah, that's another thing I like about 'em.
Quote from: robwebster on January 07, 2013, 11:44:27 AM
Quote from: ZirconBlue on January 07, 2013, 11:43:45 AM
Quote from: robwebster on January 07, 2013, 11:35:25 AMEven if I had a Blu-Ray player in the front room, I'd rather be able to take my new Dream Theater disc or my Doctor Who box set upstairs, or put it on my laptop, or watch it on my Xbox. Blu-Ray doesn't have any killer functionality, it's not the quantum leap from VHS to DVD. It's just a shinier DVD. It's an alternative to DVDs, not a replacement, not yet.
For the record most blu-rays (or at least most of the ones I buy) come with either a DVD or a digital copy (either on disc or for download). In the US, anyway.
Oh!! That's cool. I hope it's the same here. What, even box sets?!
Still - there we go, parallel technology! Blu-Ray's not really succeeding at replacing the DVD. By the evidence, it's probably not trying to.
Not sure about box sets, since I haven't bought any yet. As an example, if you look for the Avengers on amazon, the basic version is available on DVD for $19.96. For $5 more you get the Blu-ray
plus the DVD. (Then there's some other special editions with extra discs of features, etc.)
Quote from: robwebster on January 07, 2013, 11:44:27 AM
Quote from: ZirconBlue on January 07, 2013, 11:43:45 AM
Quote from: robwebster on January 07, 2013, 11:35:25 AMEven if I had a Blu-Ray player in the front room, I'd rather be able to take my new Dream Theater disc or my Doctor Who box set upstairs, or put it on my laptop, or watch it on my Xbox. Blu-Ray doesn't have any killer functionality, it's not the quantum leap from VHS to DVD. It's just a shinier DVD. It's an alternative to DVDs, not a replacement, not yet.
For the record most blu-rays (or at least most of the ones I buy) come with either a DVD or a digital copy (either on disc or for download). In the US, anyway.
Oh!! That's cool. I hope it's the same here. What, even box sets?!
Still - there we go, parallel technology! Blu-Ray's not really succeeding at replacing the DVD. By the evidence, it's probably not trying to.
Eh, I wouldn't say that. I'd say the only reason they include both DVD and Blu-Ray in the same package is during this transition so that everybody can buy the movie and be able to watch it. I see no reason why Blu-Ray WOULDN'T replace DVD entirelly once the Blu-Ray players are more widespread. I'm not going so far as to make a comparision between CD/Vinyl, but I don't think it's far off. Why settle for less quality? Why buy DVD when you have the option to buy a Blu-Ray?
They're parallel for the time being. But not in the long run.
Quote from: Lynxo on January 07, 2013, 01:49:15 PM
Quote from: robwebster on January 07, 2013, 11:44:27 AM
Quote from: ZirconBlue on January 07, 2013, 11:43:45 AM
Quote from: robwebster on January 07, 2013, 11:35:25 AMEven if I had a Blu-Ray player in the front room, I'd rather be able to take my new Dream Theater disc or my Doctor Who box set upstairs, or put it on my laptop, or watch it on my Xbox. Blu-Ray doesn't have any killer functionality, it's not the quantum leap from VHS to DVD. It's just a shinier DVD. It's an alternative to DVDs, not a replacement, not yet.
For the record most blu-rays (or at least most of the ones I buy) come with either a DVD or a digital copy (either on disc or for download). In the US, anyway.
Oh!! That's cool. I hope it's the same here. What, even box sets?!
Still - there we go, parallel technology! Blu-Ray's not really succeeding at replacing the DVD. By the evidence, it's probably not trying to.
Eh, I wouldn't say that. I'd say the only reason they include both DVD and Blu-Ray in the same package is during this transition so that everybody can buy the movie and be able to watch it. I see no reason why Blu-Ray WOULDN'T replace DVD entirelly once the Blu-Ray players are more widespread. I'm not going so far as to make a comparision between CD/Vinyl, but I don't think it's far off. Why settle for less quality? Why buy DVD when you have the option to buy a Blu-Ray?
They're parallel for the time being. But not in the long run.
Yes, I agree! That's exactly what I've said.
"It's an alternative to DVDs, not a replacement,
not yet."
"
I'm sure this will change, gradually, over time, as high-definition technology becomes more accessible and affordable. Might be in the next home media cycle,
might be in the present one (...)"
I'm not trying to say standard definition DVDs are the last word in home media. Heck, they'll both be redundant eventually. I was disputing, originally, the contention that there's no point in Dream Theater releasing anything on a standard definition DVD
today, in 2013. This is basically a present tense discussion. All things equal, yes, a better picture is better, hence the name - but all things aren't equal, and they won't be for a few years, yet. As it is, we've got the slightly unwieldy but better quality format, and the worse quality format that will play on anything with a round tray in it this side of a CD player. It's not quite FLAC vs. MP3, but it's along similar lines. First and second priorities are, "Is it a film?" and, "Can I play it at home?" "Does it have the best number of mega-pixels," isn't at the top of a lot of consumers' agendas, not right now. It could be the most beautiful picture in the universe, but if it doesn't work on my telly upstairs I'm not sure what I'm meant to do with it.
As an aside, I don't know that Blu-Ray
will necessarily achieve market dominance before the next big thing comes along. It's been slowly creeping in that direction for the last however many years, but affortable Smart TVs can't be more than a few years away. It wouldn't think it'd be
too long before we're downloading films and box sets as data. Music started it, and games consoles are already pushing that way. Interconnectivity's getting there, too. One media centre might wirelessly transmit to the entire house by the time Blu-Ray's at 50%. I don't know. I'm an idiot, guessing.
I don't buy DVD's. That's what Redbox and Netflix are for. I will buy this on Blu Ray though
Guys, please leave your first world problems behind, you'll either buy the DVD or the Blu ray and DT and RR will be happy. Some will even buy both, as collector's items. Which is also great. But I can't help myself, for me this part of the discussion is a bit ridiculous :lol
Some will only be happy with VHS or even more archaic, beta-max.
By some, I mean .0000000000001% of Dream Theater fans who were so blown away by Images and Words that they were stuck in a time loop where they repeat 1992 over and over again.
Quote from: Cedar redaC on January 07, 2013, 07:34:23 PM
Some will only be happy with VHS or even more archaic, beta-max.
By some, I mean .0000000000001% of Dream Theater fans who were so blown away by Images and Words that they were stuck in a time loop where they repeat 1992 over and over again.
Right :lol
But that kind can be found with any band (Motörhead - Ace of spades, Maiden - Number of the beast,..... ). They don't know what musical artists created in the last two or three decades :loser:
Quote from: robwebster on January 07, 2013, 08:32:52 AM
...or completing my Karen Gillan freckle-map.
Can I have a copy of that when it's done??
Quote from: Cedar redaC on January 07, 2013, 07:34:23 PM
Some will only be happy with VHS or even more archaic, beta-max.
By some, I mean .0000000000001% of Dream Theater fans who were so blown away by Images and Words that they were stuck in a time loop where they repeat 1992 over and over again.
1992 was such a great year.
Quote from: ZirconBlue on January 08, 2013, 08:25:56 AM
Quote from: Cedar redaC on January 07, 2013, 07:34:23 PM
Some will only be happy with VHS or even more archaic, beta-max.
By some, I mean .0000000000001% of Dream Theater fans who were so blown away by Images and Words that they were stuck in a time loop where they repeat 1992 over and over again.
1992 was such a great year.
The year of Wayne's World and The Bodygard and let's not forget Basic Instinct...Sharon Stone and her muff! :metal
I still have Live in Tokyo on VHS.
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on January 08, 2013, 08:49:19 AM
I still have Live in Tokyo on VHS.
Me too, infact i only have the VHS version not the DVD version.
You are missing the commentary, then. :D
Or you have the DVD as well?
I've only ever gotten through the whole thing with commentary on.
Quote from: Cedar redaC on January 07, 2013, 07:34:23 PM
Some will only be happy with VHS or even more archaic, beta-max.
Again - while I'm sure you're correct, this doesn't really have anything to do with what anyone's been saying! That's a completely unfair comparison. DVD's continued relevance isn't the result of people clinging to their primitive mud-huts out of stubborn nostalgia. I'd think pretty much everyone's aware that high definition is, objectively, a better format than standard definition. It's just that people can't afford to adopt that better technology because, as it stands at present, you would need to buy a new disc-player for every room in the house if you want the same utility you already get from buying the DVD that runs on the players you already have.
The argument isn't, "Isn't the past great?" No, it's not, it's rubbish, HD's quantifiably better - the argument is rather closer to, "I've got no money, the economy is shit, maybe I'll make sure I've got enough money to buy a potato and wash my baby before I piss it away on John Petrucci's pleasant but entirely useless megapixels." If you've got the money, fantastic, but making a picture a bit clearer on one DVD in one room in the house isn't a great way to spend fifty quid if you're struggling for cash, and refitting your entire house to make a few more DVDs that much prettier with the same utility we previously enjoyed isn't a great way to spend a couple of hundred. It's a luxury, on top of a luxury, on top of a luxury. Just buying the standard DVD is lavish by my standards - I only bought one CD in the last
year. Statistics suggest that I'm probably not alone, inasmuch as high definition is not yet worth the cost for me. Great, but impractical. It is, at this point, still just an
option. The extra mile, for those who can afford it. Standard definition is very much standard. Hence the name.
So, yes. It's 2013 with plasmas and LEDs everywhere and we're still talking DVD. This isn't yesterday's technology, it's today's! They're running simultaneously. Bit of social and cultural awareness is all I'm asking! I am very excited that Luna Park is coming out on standard definition DVD, primarily because it means I stand a chance of being able to enjoy it. And it is a little galling when someone wades in (this isn't you, Cedar!) and goes, "DVD, they're still making those?! What's the point in that, I converted
ages ago!" I know it's not malicious, and the betamax thing was a joke that was meant with the best of intentions, but the world's bigger than your own front room, is really what I'm saying. Owning a DVD player in 2013 isn't really comparable to insisting on betamax - not even as a joke, sadly.
Sorry if I sound like I'm trying to hector anyone. I'm not, and I think you're all cracking people, I just think this is a more important discussion than people are giving it credit for. It's a little frustrating to be dismissed, repeatedly, for not being able to upgrade my technology as soon as it becomes available - and then dismissed again when I've explained, with what I thought was a fairly generous level of patience, why a stunningly clear picture might not be at the top of a lot of households' priorities at this particular moment in time. It is possible that I haven't been clear. Or that, as I've failed miserably to be concise and precise, people have quite forgivably just gisted the argument and responded to that. Given that so many people have missed the point, it's looking very likely that I've just completely failed to convey it. So if I'm being uncharacteristically firm, this post, it's because I'm frustrated with
me, not with you! Please don't take it personally.
I'm with robwebster on this one. I know precisely... let's see... well, I know a lot of people and I'm pretty sure I could count the ones who have BluRay players on fingers of one hand. Some of us live in the first world which is really the third world but people are being nice to us by calling us "first world", if you know what I'm saying.
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on January 08, 2013, 08:49:19 AM
I still have Live in Tokyo on VHS.
I think I have mine as well along with the Once in a Livetime VHS.
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on January 08, 2013, 09:26:32 AM
I'm with robwebster on this one. I know precisely... let's see... well, I know a lot of people and I'm pretty sure I could count the ones who have BluRay players on fingers of one hand. Some of us live in the first world which is really the third world but people are being nice to us by calling us "first world", if you know what I'm saying.
I've been able to buy a blu ray player after nearly two years of lobbying, and only because my father is a fanatic of high definition, and I promised him that I would be downloading his favourites movies in HD. Then I got Budokan and he got nothing :lol
But yes, I almost agree with rob, even though I think that the BR technology is a
necessary diagonal step in preparation of a new breakthrough innovations, likely connected to the portability of the media playind devices.
@Rob, I don't' think the issue is people aren't understanding you. It's that you seem be suggesting that BluRay and HD is just some parallel technology in addition to DVD that's just for rich people, which is wrong, for several reasons. While I didn't buy my BluRay player—it was a gift— I just did a quick search, and I can't find a DVD player cheaper than $40 US, but I can find a BluRay player for $50.
The issues you're getting at is that we're at a crux in formats. You have old DVDs, designed to look good on massive tube systems. You have BluRays, designed to accommodate the era of new, flatscreen LED and HD TVs. And, looming overhead, you have the digital-only threat that people always talk about. It seems futile to invest in BluRay when it's just going to get replaced, right? Well, technology always works that way. And, though I don't mean to sound harsh, whether BluRay sticks around for 1 year, 5 years, or 10 years (depending when/if we really go all digital), you are still in the dust with your Luna Park DVD, and will need to either upgrade or purchase it again digitally if you want to enjoy it as it was designed and film to be enjoyed; assuming it has been filmed in high definition, and recorded with the highest possible audio sound quality.
A BluRay player is not a bad investment. Xbox is good for streaming things like Netflix, but my new Bluray player can do that too, while making use of my sound system. I can also just plug my HDMI cable from my laptop to my player, and watch that way. BluRay players seem designed to accommodate the changes in format we're going through technologically, under the assumption that BluRay will become the go-to physical format, as long as it remains. That's a fair assumption, at this point. Things are now recorded and filmed to accommodate that; not DVD.
Also, I find this whole "well, I'm poor" thing kinda funny. I'm on a pretty meager entry-level pay myself, and that's a recent upgrade for me. Just like with DVDs, I get BluRays when they're on sale, or else online. Look on Amazon.com for a recent movie on BluRay, and then DVD. The price isn't that different. In some cases, the BluRay is even cheaper. On Amazon, you can get the LotR trilogy complete with like 11 bonus discs brand new on BluRay for $55. If, for some reason, you decide you want that on DVD, it'll cost you even more.
EDIT: No. Forget it. Time out.
Quote from: robwebster on January 08, 2013, 11:15:34 AM
EDIT: No. Forget it. Time out.
I actually read your whole post before you deleted it and I know where you're coming from.
Doesn't anybody remember going from cassette to CD? I was late to the game then too. In fact, the reason I got my bluray was because Budokan came out and I didn't have it already. I figured it would be a good time to jump in.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on January 08, 2013, 10:08:27 AM
Also, I find this whole "well, I'm poor" thing kinda funny. I'm on a pretty meager entry-level pay myself, and that's a recent upgrade for me. Just like with DVDs, I get BluRays when they're on sale, or else online. Look on Amazon.com for a recent movie on BluRay, and then DVD. The price isn't that different. In some cases, the BluRay is even cheaper. On Amazon, you can get the LotR trilogy complete with like 11 bonus discs brand new on BluRay for $55. If, for some reason, you decide you want that on DVD, it'll cost you even more.
Since rob is timing out, let me try and be an awfully less eloquent version of him to give you a response.
The problem isn't in "I can't possibly afford it", the problem is in "I don't NEED it for now and therefore would consider it burning money". If I told my folks at home I was getting a Blu-Ray player, their first question would be "what do you
need it for?" and it would be a good question. I don't watch many movies, and none of my favorites are young enough to be filmed in HD. You said DVDs look awful on big screens but not even my TV screen is an awful lot bigger than my computer screen. Hell, I'm not even sure there's a DVD player in my house, I simply don't need it - I pop a DVD into my computer whenever I want to watch something. For people who do not care about seeing everything in the highest possible quality (because, how much difference will it make on a computer screen anyway?), a Blu-Ray player + building a collection of Blu-Rays will be an unnecessary expense for as long as there are DVDs to buy.
Would I
like to see Mangini's monster kit in super HD? Sure. Do I
need to see it? Nah. I'm fine without.
Myself, I'm extremely glad there is a Bluray option. That being said, I'm glad there is a DVD version available too :tup
Being a tech geek, I have to have new technology right away, so I've had a Bluray player ever since I got my PS3 in 2006. If its anything like Live at Budokan on Bluray, it will look great.
I think it is clear that depending on your starting point, both Rob Webster and Perpetual Change are correct. Perhaps even talking past each other a tiny bit.
If your starting from zero and have some money to invest in a player and television combo Prepetual Change makes a good point since the price difference is so minimal from SD technology to HD technology it doesn't make sense to go with the SD. If you already are vested in SD technology and need to make decisions based on potatoes and baby baths then Rob Webster's point is quite clear and even responsible.
Good discussion.
I bought a Blu Ray player for discount price at a local retailer. Still haven't got a single BR disc :facepalm: :lol
Maybe we should open a new thread specificately on this issue, which is by the way extremely interesting, in GMD, just in order to be completely free from the vincules of the thread subject here. If new information about the DVD came in 15 minutes, we would forcefully had to abandon this branch to discuss the obvious in topic stuff, and that would not be good for the sake of discussing and confronting. Who opens? :)
^ Then I could regale everyone with my commiserating over Mrs. Podaar forcing me into HD 3D technology all "for the sake of the grandchildren"!
My blueray is my PS3
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on January 08, 2013, 11:43:25 AM
Quote from: Perpetual Change on January 08, 2013, 10:08:27 AM
Also, I find this whole "well, I'm poor" thing kinda funny. I'm on a pretty meager entry-level pay myself, and that's a recent upgrade for me. Just like with DVDs, I get BluRays when they're on sale, or else online. Look on Amazon.com for a recent movie on BluRay, and then DVD. The price isn't that different. In some cases, the BluRay is even cheaper. On Amazon, you can get the LotR trilogy complete with like 11 bonus discs brand new on BluRay for $55. If, for some reason, you decide you want that on DVD, it'll cost you even more.
Since rob is timing out, let me try and be an awfully less eloquent version of him to give you a response.
The problem isn't in "I can't possibly afford it", the problem is in "I don't NEED it for now and therefore would consider it burning money". If I told my folks at home I was getting a Blu-Ray player, their first question would be "what do you need it for?" and it would be a good question. I don't watch many movies, and none of my favorites are young enough to be filmed in HD. You said DVDs look awful on big screens but not even my TV screen is an awful lot bigger than my computer screen. Hell, I'm not even sure there's a DVD player in my house, I simply don't need it - I pop a DVD into my computer whenever I want to watch something. For people who do not care about seeing everything in the highest possible quality (because, how much difference will it make on a computer screen anyway?), a Blu-Ray player + building a collection of Blu-Rays will be an unnecessary expense for as long as there are DVDs to buy.
Would I like to see Mangini's monster kit in super HD? Sure. Do I need to see it? Nah. I'm fine without.
Just want to say I appreciate and understand all of this, and I'm the same in a lot of ways.
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16 minutes ago.
Directing the dream theater show in Argentina. Sneak peak coming soon!
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Directing the dream theater show in Argentina. Sneak peak coming soon!
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You left out the photo. ;)
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That's awesome! I'm pretty psyched to see what the Blu-Ray will look like.
I agree with Mora on the Blu-Ray Vs. DVD thing. I prefer Blu-Ray disc sound and video quality, but if I already have the DVD, I probably wouldn't replace it until the DVD wore out or broke.
As for 3D stuff: It's nice, but I find it rather gimmick-y and rarely beneficial to the final product. I'll watch a 3D movie in theaters, but I just don't enjoy it so much more that I feel the need to upgrade to a 3D television or projector.
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John Myung's only shot on the entire DVD. Mike Portnoy paid the editor's off...
-Marc.
More JM shots apparently wouldn't make sense :lol
Quote from: philmcson on January 08, 2013, 07:12:50 PM
More JM shots apparently wouldn't make sense :lol
Also, in that shot, he's in front of Mangini, making it the only good reason for him to have a shot there.
-Marc.
Quote from: The Letter M on January 08, 2013, 07:22:18 PM
Quote from: philmcson on January 08, 2013, 07:12:50 PM
More JM shots apparently wouldn't make sense :lol
Also, in that shot, he's in front of Mangini, making it the only good reason for him to have a shot there.
-Marc.
Haha, don't be afraid, I'm sure that MM had at least one camera placed behind the kit as well as the overhead cam recording his awesomeness, that moment of JM covering MM won't make a difference.
Quote from: philmcson on January 08, 2013, 07:27:01 PM
Quote from: The Letter M on January 08, 2013, 07:22:18 PM
Quote from: philmcson on January 08, 2013, 07:12:50 PM
More JM shots apparently wouldn't make sense :lol
Also, in that shot, he's in front of Mangini, making it the only good reason for him to have a shot there.
-Marc.
Haha, don't be afraid, I'm sure that MM had at least one camera placed behind the kit as well as the overhead cam recording his awesomeness, that moment of JM covering MM won't make a difference.
Nope - MP paid Eric Disrude a dollar to have those cams disabled for the show at Luna Park. :tup
-Marc.
Quote from: Cedar redaC on January 08, 2013, 06:06:30 PM
That's awesome! I'm pretty psyched to see what the Blu-Ray will look like.
I agree with Mora on the Blu-Ray Vs. DVD thing. I prefer Blu-Ray disc sound and video quality, but if I already have the DVD, I probably wouldn't replace it until the DVD wore out or broke.
As for 3D stuff: It's nice, but I find it rather gimmick-y and rarely beneficial to the final product. I'll watch a 3D movie in theaters, but I just don't enjoy it so much more that I feel the need to upgrade to a 3D television or projector.
Ah, but 3D is so much better at home with the active shutter glasses. I have a 60" Mitsubishi 3DTV that I absolutely love.
I think 3D would be cool if they could really create depth instead of just basically making certain 2D objects pop out.
Quote from: The Letter M on January 08, 2013, 07:36:11 PM
Quote from: philmcson on January 08, 2013, 07:27:01 PM
Quote from: The Letter M on January 08, 2013, 07:22:18 PM
Quote from: philmcson on January 08, 2013, 07:12:50 PM
More JM shots apparently wouldn't make sense :lol
Also, in that shot, he's in front of Mangini, making it the only good reason for him to have a shot there.
-Marc.
Haha, don't be afraid, I'm sure that MM had at least one camera placed behind the kit as well as the overhead cam recording his awesomeness, that moment of JM covering MM won't make a difference.
Nope - MP paid Eric Disrude a dollar to have those cams disabled for the show at Luna Park. :tup
-Marc.
A dollar? Yes, and he surely gave JLB a call and wished him two great evenings and that he trusts James' voice :biggrin:
Quote from: Cedar redaC on January 08, 2013, 08:51:16 PM
I think 3D would be cool if they could really create depth instead of just basically making certain 2D objects pop out.
You would honestly be surprised then. Titanic, Dredd 3D, and many more have great depth. Even if you don't like Titanic, I'm sure you are familiar with the scene where Rose threatens to jump from the back of the Titanic. The water there in the overhead shots looks 100 feet below her! It is really incredible.
3D looks better at home due to the technology in the glasses being so much more advanced than the simple plastic glasses given at the theaters.
Wait, the sneak peek was that photo or is there a preview video coming? :omg:
Quote from: wasteland on January 08, 2013, 10:24:35 PM
Wait, the sneak peek was that photo or is there a preview video coming? :omg:
I'm wondering the same thing.
I think it's video. The stills from productions aren't really new and never before the word sneak peek was used by OtE to refer to them.
:eek
Please let there be a preview video of the songs with the string ensemble
Nah, the beginning of BITS would nail it.... ;)
Quote from: Perpetual Change on January 08, 2013, 10:08:27 AM
Also, I find this whole "well, I'm poor" thing kinda funny. I'm on a pretty meager entry-level pay myself, and that's a recent upgrade for me. Just like with DVDs, I get BluRays when they're on sale, or else online. Look on Amazon.com for a recent movie on BluRay, and then DVD. The price isn't that different. In some cases, the BluRay is even cheaper. On Amazon, you can get the LotR trilogy complete with like 11 bonus discs brand new on BluRay for $55. If, for some reason, you decide you want that on DVD, it'll cost you even more.
The players and discs are pretty cheap these days, but you also need the big TV to make use of it. The same upgrade wasn't necessary for DVD, since it was all SD equipment.
If you're still using an older TV, Bluray offers almost no advantages over DVD, unlike DVD over VHS.
Bluray is a bigger investment than DVD was, and it's a matter of priorities if you don't have a lot of money, so there's nothing funny about prioritizing what you want to put your disposable income towards. :)
Quote from: BlobVanDam on January 09, 2013, 04:11:52 AM
Quote from: Perpetual Change on January 08, 2013, 10:08:27 AM
Also, I find this whole "well, I'm poor" thing kinda funny. I'm on a pretty meager entry-level pay myself, and that's a recent upgrade for me. Just like with DVDs, I get BluRays when they're on sale, or else online. Look on Amazon.com for a recent movie on BluRay, and then DVD. The price isn't that different. In some cases, the BluRay is even cheaper. On Amazon, you can get the LotR trilogy complete with like 11 bonus discs brand new on BluRay for $55. If, for some reason, you decide you want that on DVD, it'll cost you even more.
The players and discs are pretty cheap these days, but you also need the big TV to make use of it. The same upgrade wasn't necessary for DVD, since it was all SD equipment.
If you're still using an older TV, Bluray offers almost no advantages over DVD, unlike DVD over VHS.
Bluray is a bigger investment than DVD was, and it's a matter of priorities if you don't have a lot of money, so there's nothing funny about prioritizing what you want to put your disposable income towards. :)
Oh, I get that. The medium is better, and not even really that much more expensive, but yeah, if you already have a nice system surrounding a big tube TV, it's gonna cost at least half a grand to get something comparable for the new format.
I'm sorry if, in my zeal, I overlooked that people who still have tube TVs have to make a big investment to make BluRay worthwhile. I personally bought my first real TV like 6 months ago. It's like a 33" Samsung flatscreen. I think I got it on sale for around $200. The BluRay player and 5.1 system were a gift my parents got on black friday for the same price. Not too shabby for a first entertainment system, if I must say so myself :P
Obviously I am not "current" - I had no idea the stuff had gotten that cheap. Sounds like it's time to upgrade . . . .
I'm still deciding if I want to upgrade to BluRay or not. I can afford one, and I have a decent TV. I don't really watch a lot of movies, but I watch quite a lot of concert DVDs so I would buy the concert films on BR and other movies on DVD if I was to get one. It's interesting to read your arguments in this thread (although it's not its intended purpose).
I still don't own a HDTV, but I stopped buying DVDs and moved to BluRay the moment it became available. Why? Because my PAL TV won't last forever and will be replaced by a 1080p TV when it breaks down (or I finish studying, get a job and make some cash).
Every DVD I buy right now will turn out to be a wrong investment when I get my next TV.
Even if you don't benefit from the increased resolution, BluRay has a better quality per pixel ration than DVD. Artefact heavy DVDs like DT's Score would look much better on BluRay even when downscaled to PAL resolution.
1080p offers roughly five times the amount of pixels that PAL does. BluRay compensates for that by having five times the storage space of a DVD, but it doesn't end there. BluRay also uses vastly superior compression technology (AVC vs MPEG2), resulting in way less aggressive compression. Visible artefacts like in Score, which I have a love-hate relationship with due to its bad picture quality, are a thing of the past - except for some badly mastered BluRays that use MPEG2.
Some people here claim that PAL/NTSC and HDTV are like stereo and 5.1 and will continue to coexist. Are you sure that PAL TVs are even produced these days?
Quote from: Shadow2222 on January 08, 2013, 10:13:16 PM
You would honestly be surprised then. Titanic, Dredd 3D, and many more have great depth. Even if you don't like Titanic, I'm sure you are familiar with the scene where Rose threatens to jump from the back of the Titanic. The water there in the overhead shots looks 100 feet below her! It is really incredible.
3D looks better at home due to the technology in the glasses being so much more advanced than the simple plastic glasses given at the theaters.
I'm trying to resist staying off topic but finding it difficult. I second Shadow2222's comment above. Active shutter technology is REALLY impressive and comfortable too. Animated features like 'Finding Nemo' have true depth due to all the correct data being available to the 3D producers.
Also, yes, a terrific new setup isn't cheap but I was VERY pleasantly surprised how affordable it turned out to be when I was talked into buying a new TV, 3D BluRay player, and surround system. So if you have the means, it's not such a terrifyingly expensive investment right now. Getting all working properly is a bit of different story! ;D
Quote from: Podaar on January 09, 2013, 07:45:56 AM
I'm trying to resist staying off topic but finding it difficult. I second Shadow2222's comment above.
Thanks! 3D can be truly amazing when working right (and I agree, sometimes it can be hard to initially get it working. Also, I completely forgot about animated movies, which are some of the best in 3D! I have to see Finding Nemo in 3D soon.
Okay, back on topic:
I know its already been stated in this thread, but I reaaaaally hope that TCOT works its way onto the DVD, even if it is from High Voltage. It's criminal that we haven't seen a professionally recorded version of that yet!
Agreed.
I honestly don't see that happening, unless I have underestimated the storage of the BR medium. If they resolve on using a Dual Layer BD (up to 50GB of storage!) they could very well include TCOT, LTL, The Grea Debate and probably the rest of the show, but I don't believe this will be the case.
Quote from: Shadow2222 on January 09, 2013, 07:54:02 AM
Quote from: Podaar on January 09, 2013, 07:45:56 AM
I'm trying to resist staying off topic but finding it difficult. I second Shadow2222's comment above.
Thanks! 3D can be truly amazing when working right (and I agree, sometimes it can be hard to initially get it working. Also, I completely forgot about animated movies, which are some of the best in 3D! I have to see Finding Nemo in 3D soon.
Okay, back on topic:
I know its already been stated in this thread, but I reaaaaally hope that TCOT works its way onto the DVD, even if it is from High Voltage. It's criminal that we haven't seen a professionally recorded version of that yet!
I like when 3D is used just to give depth in a film and not slapped on afterwards to make things come out of the screen as a bloody novelty.
It should serve the story first and foremost. Except now films are being made just to have 3D to throw stuff at the camera as a gimmick and its completely backwards.
Prometheus had really good 3D. Nothing was poking at you and some scenes were really good in 3D - especially The Orrery.
Quote from: Kotowboy on January 09, 2013, 10:12:46 AM
Quote from: Shadow2222 on January 09, 2013, 07:54:02 AM
Quote from: Podaar on January 09, 2013, 07:45:56 AM
I'm trying to resist staying off topic but finding it difficult. I second Shadow2222's comment above.
Thanks! 3D can be truly amazing when working right (and I agree, sometimes it can be hard to initially get it working. Also, I completely forgot about animated movies, which are some of the best in 3D! I have to see Finding Nemo in 3D soon.
Okay, back on topic:
I know its already been stated in this thread, but I reaaaaally hope that TCOT works its way onto the DVD, even if it is from High Voltage. It's criminal that we haven't seen a professionally recorded version of that yet!
I like when 3D is used just to give depth in a film and not slapped on afterwards to make things come out of the screen as a bloody novelty.
It should serve the story first and foremost. Except now films are being made just to have 3D to throw stuff at the camera as a gimmick and its completely backwards.
Prometheus had really good 3D. Nothing was poking at you and some scenes were really good in 3D - especially The Orrery.
What recent 3D films do you think are guilty of this? Because, to me it seems like most movies are moving away from that and into a better use of the technology.
I wouldn't know because I avoid films like that like a plague.
But i've seen trailers and clips and heard reviews etc. Most recently Jack The Giant Slayer where magic beans were thrown at the camera in 3D.
Pretty sure there was a scene in one of the Pirates Of The Cash-In where swords are pointed at the audience...
Like I said - it's backwards. The technology should be a tool to enhance the experience and be working in the background. Not upfront as a gimmick.
It's the movie equivalent of autotune or melodyne. It should be used subtly to make a perfect vocal take and you shouldn't really notice it if it's done well - NOT to make a singer sound like a ROBOT.
Was there supposed to be an update today?
Quote from: Perpetual Change on January 09, 2013, 12:08:38 PM
Was there supposed to be an update today?
Unless we completely misunderstood the message! Plus, "soon" could very well mean "in a week".
Quote from: wasteland on January 09, 2013, 12:11:53 PM
Quote from: Perpetual Change on January 09, 2013, 12:08:38 PM
Was there supposed to be an update today?
Unless we completely misunderstood the message! Plus, "soon" could very well mean "in a week".
or 'in a month', or 'in a few months'. :mehlin
Quote from: Kotowboy on January 09, 2013, 10:52:57 AM
I wouldn't know because I avoid films like that like a plague.
But i've seen trailers and clips and heard reviews etc. Most recently Jack The Giant Slayer where magic beans were thrown at the camera in 3D.
Pretty sure there was a scene in one of the Pirates Of The Cash-In where swords are pointed at the audience...
Like I said - it's backwards. The technology should be a tool to enhance the experience and be working in the background. Not upfront as a gimmick.
It's the movie equivalent of autotune or melodyne. It should be used subtly to make a perfect vocal take and you shouldn't really notice it if it's done well - NOT to make a singer sound like a ROBOT.
I guess what I'm saying is that I think most people working in 3D today are already doing what you say they should be doing. The exceptions are mostly the movies that the studio decided to hastily switch to 3D to make more $. My rule of thumb is to only see 3D movies that were shot in 3D. For movies shot in 2D then converted after the fact, I just watch the 2D version.
Quote from: wasteland on January 09, 2013, 12:11:53 PM
Quote from: Perpetual Change on January 09, 2013, 12:08:38 PM
Was there supposed to be an update today?
Unless we completely misunderstood the message! Plus, "soon" could very well mean "in a week".
When will then be now?
SOON!
Love that movie :lol
Quote from: ZirconBlue on January 09, 2013, 01:10:28 PM
My rule of thumb is to only see 3D movies that were shot in 3D. For movies shot in 2D then converted after the fact, I just watch the 2D version.
Definitely agree with this - which is why I saw Prometheus in 3D but want to see Star Trek Into Darkness in 2D.
Quote from: Kotowboy on January 09, 2013, 01:55:43 PM
Quote from: ZirconBlue on January 09, 2013, 01:10:28 PM
My rule of thumb is to only see 3D movies that were shot in 3D. For movies shot in 2D then converted after the fact, I just watch the 2D version.
Definitely agree with this - which is why I saw Prometheus in 3D but want to see Star Trek Into Darkness in 2D.
I agree with this almost completely. However, there is an exception to everything: Avengers and Titanic were great in 3D.
I'd love to see Titanic in 3D since I know James Cameron wouldn't allow himself to release a sub-par product.
[ At least technically before anyone pipes up ]
Quote from: Prog Snob on January 09, 2013, 01:20:37 PM
Quote from: wasteland on January 09, 2013, 12:11:53 PM
Quote from: Perpetual Change on January 09, 2013, 12:08:38 PM
Was there supposed to be an update today?
Unless we completely misunderstood the message! Plus, "soon" could very well mean "in a week".
When will then be now?
SOON!
Kamelot announced their tour dates using that word more than four weeks ago...
Maybe RR have set some internal timeframe and the trailer mustn't be delivered before 17th February :tdwn
Quote from: wasteland on January 09, 2013, 12:11:53 PM
Quote from: Perpetual Change on January 09, 2013, 12:08:38 PM
Was there supposed to be an update today?
Unless we completely misunderstood the message! Plus, "soon" could very well mean "in a week".
Hey, this is DT! :biggrin: In November 2010 JP said the new drummer would be announced "soon" and we go the doc 5 months after that. Let's keep our fingers crossed that a trailer will have been released by June! :lol
Quote from: Shadow2222 on January 09, 2013, 03:10:13 PM
Quote from: Kotowboy on January 09, 2013, 01:55:43 PM
Quote from: ZirconBlue on January 09, 2013, 01:10:28 PM
My rule of thumb is to only see 3D movies that were shot in 3D. For movies shot in 2D then converted after the fact, I just watch the 2D version.
Definitely agree with this - which is why I saw Prometheus in 3D but want to see Star Trek Into Darkness in 2D.
I agree with this almost completely. However, there is an exception to everything: Avengers and Titanic were great in 3D.
Avengers wasn't shot in 3D because Whedon couldn't get the results he wanted with the 3D rig, but he always kept the 3D in mind when filming, so it is one case where a conversion was worthwhile. I'm not sitting through Titanic again just to find out if the 3D is any good, but Cameron probably wouldn't have done a 3D conversion of it didn't look good.
Okay, so update was a bust.
Haha, maybe we should get a bit more on topic.
I know I'm probably the only one, but I wish they would've performed Raw Dog. I know they probably never will, and it's not a fantastic song by any means, but I think the South American audience would have ate it up. It would've been nice to have something "special" on this DVD, like Budokan had Disappear.
"Raw Dog" is the kind of "something special" that your real life dog leaves for you in the living room after he starts to go senile.
I don't think the SA audience would have ate it up, needless to say. South Americans love good concerts, but they're not so manipulable that you can just get up on stage and "chugga chugga chugga" and have them go nuts.
Quote from: Shadow2222 on January 10, 2013, 08:15:03 AM
I know I'm probably the only one, but I wish they would've performed Raw Dog. I know they probably never will, and it's not a fantastic song by any means, but I think the South American audience would have ate it up. It would've been nice to have something "special" on this DVD, like Budokan had Disappear.
That wouldn't have been special.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on January 10, 2013, 08:28:52 AM
"Raw Dog" is the kind of "something special" that your real life dog leaves for you in the living room after he starts to go senile.
I would sig this if only I could :rollin :rollin
Haha, you guys really don't like Raw Dog. Maybe I like it so much because I love the God of War games and it really fits the game well.
Quote from: Shadow2222 on January 10, 2013, 08:35:36 AM
Haha, you guys really don't like Raw Dog. Maybe I like it so much because I love the God of War games and it really fits the game well.
Did it even get in the game?
^ No, but I think it really captures the essence of the game in the first section after the "djent" beginning (which is relatively annoying, and the repetition at the end of the song is awful. I love everything in between).
Raw Dog is probably the only DT song I have never heard.
Quote from: Prog Snob on January 10, 2013, 09:09:38 AM
Raw Dog is probably the only DT song I have never heard.
So you've heard "Cry For Freedom", "The School Song", "Resurrection Of Ernie", "Don't Look Past Me", "To Live Forever", "Eve", "Raise The Knife", "Speak To Me", "Cover My Eyes", "Where Are You Now?" and "The Way It Used To Be"? :tup
-Marc.
And what about MTHDDRIASS?
Quote from: The Letter M on January 10, 2013, 09:11:58 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on January 10, 2013, 09:09:38 AM
Raw Dog is probably the only DT song I have never heard.
So you've heard "Cry For Freedom", "The School Song", "Resurrection Of Ernie", "Don't Look Past Me", "To Live Forever", "Eve", "Raise The Knife", "Speak To Me", "Cover My Eyes", "Where Are You Now?" and "The Way It Used To Be"? :tup
-Marc.
What the hell are those? Are they actually DT songs, or some Majesty stuff that doesn't count? I've never heard of those in all of my time here!
Majesty songs that count but that I have never listened in my life :lol
Quote from: Prog Snob on January 10, 2013, 09:09:38 AM
Raw Dog is probably the only DT song I have never heard.
It is worth at least one listen. Some people hate it (Correction: Most people hate it :lol), but some people really like it.
Quote from: Prog Snob on January 10, 2013, 09:09:38 AM
Raw Dog is probably the only DT song I have never heard.
I remember making that confession in the forums, being prompted to listen to it and then making a timestamped post of my impressions as I listened :biggrin:
Quote from: Shadow2222 on January 10, 2013, 09:25:18 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on January 10, 2013, 09:09:38 AM
Raw Dog is probably the only DT song I have never heard.
It is worth at least one listen. Some people hate it (Correction: Most people hate it :lol), but I really like it.
FTFY
Quote from: The Letter M on January 10, 2013, 09:11:58 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on January 10, 2013, 09:09:38 AM
Raw Dog is probably the only DT song I have never heard.
So you've heard "Cry For Freedom", "The School Song", "Resurrection Of Ernie", "Don't Look Past Me", "To Live Forever", "Eve", "Raise The Knife", "Speak To Me", "Cover My Eyes", "Where Are You Now?" and "The Way It Used To Be"? :tup
-Marc.
Actually yes. :D If you saw my bootleg collection, you would understand better. ;)
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on January 10, 2013, 09:28:32 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on January 10, 2013, 09:09:38 AM
Raw Dog is probably the only DT song I have never heard.
I remember making that confession in the forums, being prompted to listen to it and then making a timestamped post of my impressions as I listened :biggrin:
I just wanted to note that you put my posting habits to shame! :lol
I've been here since 2009, and in less than a year, you (among many other people) have zoomed past my post count.
I'm glad we have such passionate music fans here!
Quote from: Perpetual Change on January 10, 2013, 09:35:35 AM
Quote from: Shadow2222 on January 10, 2013, 09:25:18 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on January 10, 2013, 09:09:38 AM
Raw Dog is probably the only DT song I have never heard.
It is worth at least one listen. Some people hate it (Correction: Most people hate it :lol), but I really like it.
FTFY
Well, I know two other people that like it, so ha! ;)
@ProgSnob: No Sleep Since Brooklyn? :D
So I listened to The Resurrection of Ernie and I was a little unimpressed. The solo section was quite cool, but the rest of the song wasn't really that memorable. JMX was great, though.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on January 10, 2013, 09:14:06 AM
Quote from: The Letter M on January 10, 2013, 09:11:58 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on January 10, 2013, 09:09:38 AM
Raw Dog is probably the only DT song I have never heard.
So you've heard "Cry For Freedom", "The School Song", "Resurrection Of Ernie", "Don't Look Past Me", "To Live Forever", "Eve", "Raise The Knife", "Speak To Me", "Cover My Eyes", "Where Are You Now?" and "The Way It Used To Be"? :tup
-Marc.
What the hell are those? Are they actually DT songs, or some Majesty stuff that doesn't count? I've never heard of those in all of my time here!
All three are on Ytsejam records releases. "Cry for Freedom" and "The School Song" are both on the Majesty Demos and "Resurrection of Ernie" is on When Dream and Day Unite demos.
Quote from: Scorpion on January 10, 2013, 09:41:07 AM
So I listened to The Resurrection of Ernie and I was a little unimpressed. The solo section was quite cool, but the rest of the song wasn't really that memorable. JMX was great, though.
JMX is great on all the Majesty/WDADU stuff mostly because he has that Geddy Lee-esque lead-bass sound that they had back in the day. It's a shame he doesn't play like that/they don't write like that much anymore!
Quote from: BlobVanDam on January 10, 2013, 09:14:06 AM
Quote from: The Letter M on January 10, 2013, 09:11:58 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on January 10, 2013, 09:09:38 AM
Raw Dog is probably the only DT song I have never heard.
So you've heard "Cry For Freedom", "The School Song", "Resurrection Of Ernie", "Don't Look Past Me", "To Live Forever", "Eve", "Raise The Knife", "Speak To Me", "Cover My Eyes", "Where Are You Now?" and "The Way It Used To Be"? :tup
-Marc.
What the hell are those? Are they actually DT songs, or some Majesty stuff that doesn't count? I've never heard of those in all of my time here!
Actually, I believe of those three, CFF and ROE were done when the band was called Dream Theater, and are on the WDADU Demos from YtseJam Records. And as for TSS and the original version of CFF, I listen to them as part of my
Majesty Demos playlist on my iPod.
-Marc.
I listened to Raw Dog once or twice. I didn't see any reason to hate it, really, but I wasn't really floored by how great it was either. I'm not sure what would be so "special" about performing it. There are so many other "rarities" that would serve better function, like the Majesty stuff, Don't Look Past Me, The Way It Used To Be, Space-Dye Vest (though I don't like it), etc. Just as rare, more historically significant, and better material--and thus more "special."
Quote from: The Presence of Frenemies on January 10, 2013, 09:44:19 AM
I listened to Raw Dog once or twice. I didn't see any reason to hate it, really, but I wasn't really floored by how great it was either. I'm not sure what would be so "special" about performing it. There are so many other "rarities" that would serve better function, like the Majesty stuff, Don't Look Past Me, The Way It Used To Be, Space-Dye Vest (though I don't like it), etc. Just as rare, more historically significant, and better material--and thus more "special."
Oh, I would absolutely love for one of those (other than Majesty stuff) to be pulled out. I'm dying to hear Don't Look Past Me live, but I'm not sure if it would really suit James' voice now.
Quote from: wasteland on January 10, 2013, 09:39:34 AM
@ProgSnob: No Sleep Since Brooklyn? :D
That and the three Instrumental demos CDs, though I do realize Instrumental was paired with NSSB on the version I have.
Quote from: Shadow2222 on January 10, 2013, 09:38:33 AM
I just wanted to note that you put my posting habits to shame! :lol
I've been here since 2009, and in less than a year, you (among many other people) have zoomed past my post count.
I'm glad we have such passionate music fans here!
:mora:
Quote from: The Letter M on January 10, 2013, 09:43:03 AM
Quote from: Scorpion on January 10, 2013, 09:41:07 AM
So I listened to The Resurrection of Ernie and I was a little unimpressed. The solo section was quite cool, but the rest of the song wasn't really that memorable. JMX was great, though.
JMX is great on all the Majesty/WDADU stuff mostly because he has that Geddy Lee-esque lead-bass sound that they had back in the day. It's a shame he doesn't play like that/they don't write like that much anymore!
Quote from: BlobVanDam on January 10, 2013, 09:14:06 AM
Quote from: The Letter M on January 10, 2013, 09:11:58 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on January 10, 2013, 09:09:38 AM
Raw Dog is probably the only DT song I have never heard.
So you've heard "Cry For Freedom", "The School Song", "Resurrection Of Ernie", "Don't Look Past Me", "To Live Forever", "Eve", "Raise The Knife", "Speak To Me", "Cover My Eyes", "Where Are You Now?" and "The Way It Used To Be"? :tup
-Marc.
What the hell are those? Are they actually DT songs, or some Majesty stuff that doesn't count? I've never heard of those in all of my time here!
Actually, I believe of those three, CFF and ROE were done when the band was called Dream Theater, and are on the WDADU Demos from YtseJam Records. And as for TSS and the original version of CFF, I listen to them as part of my Majesty Demos playlist on my iPod.
-Marc.
If I have my chronology correct CFF, RoE and The School Song were written prior to the name change. CFF and RoE were on the 1987 Instrumental Demos and TSS was obviously written at Berkelee.
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on January 10, 2013, 09:50:17 AM
Quote from: Shadow2222 on January 10, 2013, 09:38:33 AM
I just wanted to note that you put my posting habits to shame! :lol
I've been here since 2009, and in less than a year, you (among many other people) have zoomed past my post count.
I'm glad we have such passionate music fans here!
:mora:
I don't have an icon :'( Haha
You don't just have an emoticon, you have your own text format
Quote from: Cedar redaC on January 10, 2013, 10:29:59 AM
You don't just have an emoticon, you have your own text format
...Whoa!!
Quote from: Shadow2222 on January 10, 2013, 08:50:53 AM
^ No, but I think it really captures the essence of the game in the first section after the "djent" beginning (which is relatively annoying, and the repetition at the end of the song is awful. I love everything in between).
The beginning of the song is the only part I like.
:lol
So, what was the announcement about the update and how did I miss it? Maybe it doesn't matter anymore, since no update ever happened. :P
Bosk won. And he knows it :lol
Anyway, maybe the guys at OtE know about us and want to have fun at our faboyish reactions!
Quote from: bosk1 on January 10, 2013, 11:26:28 AM
Quote from: SystematicThought on January 10, 2013, 11:15:10 AM:dangerwillrobinson:
^Labrie?
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Who else...
:labrie:
WHAT?! Nothing happened. :(
a little update on the FB page:
We need to coordinate any releases with the band so we can't say TOO much but rest assured, we'll have some treats for you guys soon! We're very excited to release a trailer and some behind the scenes looks. Here's what we CAN say: The DVD & Bluray will be released this year with LOTS of bonus features and undoubtedly will be one of the best live Dream Theater experiences yet! We have been finishing everything up and both us and the band are really happy with how everything turned out... you guys are going to LOVE this! Promise we'll keep you updated and give you as much information as we're allowed!!
I know, I know, they're paid to say it's going to be great, and they made the DVD so they're obviously going to like it, but nonetheless, I'd like to be the first to say
ohmygodohmygodohmygod. In the time it took to read that paragraph, I went from being slightly-to-moderately stoked for the new DVD to all-out LaBrieing.
:dangerwillrobinson:
And, look! "LOTS of bonus features!" With a capital LOTS! This bodes very, very well.
If they're syncing their announcements with the band... title on its way, do you reckon?
Bonus features. :omg: :metal
"LaBrie , The Jester - Spinning Around On Stage"
The best LaBrie spinning moment I ever saw was from an old TKH performance when he's whipping the mic around in sync with the unison section, then loses control of it and spins out of frame. Hilarious.
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Quote"The DVD & Bluray will be released this year with LOTS of bonus features and undoubtedly will be one of the best live Dream Theater experiences yet! "
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Quote from: Dreamer81 on January 10, 2013, 11:40:41 AM
a little update on the FB page:
We need to coordinate any releases with the band so we can't say TOO much but rest assured, we'll have some treats for you guys soon! We're very excited to release a trailer and some behind the scenes looks. Here's what we CAN say: The DVD & Bluray will be released this year with LOTS of bonus features and undoubtedly will be one of the best live Dream Theater experiences yet! We have been finishing everything up and both us and the band are really happy with how everything turned out... you guys are going to LOVE this! Promise we'll keep you updated and give you as much information as we're allowed!!
Why are they doing this to us :lol
Hey guys, I have an update about DT12. Stay tuned for my next post in this thread.
:flame: :dammitnick:
:petrucci:
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on January 10, 2013, 12:06:00 PM
Quote from: Dreamer81 on January 10, 2013, 11:40:41 AM
a little update on the FB page:
We need to coordinate any releases with the band so we can't say TOO much but rest assured, we'll have some treats for you guys soon! We're very excited to release a trailer and some behind the scenes looks. Here's what we CAN say: The DVD & Bluray will be released this year with LOTS of bonus features and undoubtedly will be one of the best live Dream Theater experiences yet! We have been finishing everything up and both us and the band are really happy with how everything turned out... you guys are going to LOVE this! Promise we'll keep you updated and give you as much information as we're allowed!!
Why are they doing this to us :lol
Yeah, also wanted to stress this, so first it was Christmas, April, then May. Now it's like, it'll be out this year, so this sound awfully like November :lol
As far as I know, Christmas was never mentioned by OTE or the band. It was, however, tossed around DTF as the 'ideal' release date that made the most sense.
Quote from: ResultsMayVary on January 10, 2013, 12:55:49 PM
As far as I know, Christmas was never mentioned by OTE or the band. It was, however, tossed around DTF as the 'ideal' release date that made the most sense.
JR said "after the new year" and I remember February being tossed around as well.
Quote from: ResultsMayVary on January 10, 2013, 12:55:49 PM
As far as I know, Christmas was never mentioned by OTE or the band. It was, however, tossed around DTF as the 'ideal' release date that made the most sense.
I know, I just wanted to stress how that "anticipated" release date has been moved further and further away.... :(
Quote from: Perpetual Change on January 10, 2013, 12:32:43 PM
Hey guys, I have an update about DT12. Stay tuned for my next post in this thread.
Okay, so, I can't let anything out without coordinating with the band first... HOWEVER, I will say that DT12 is currently being worked on to satisfy fan cravings for the best possible DT experience! The album is bound to be released in several versions and on several formats, and I will definitely be pointing you all to some real goodies as the band makes the available. Thanks for following!
I love Raw Dog. The 30s starting at 3:18 is just so cool and badass. Then at 5:05 there's more badassery.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Thursday January 10th, 2013
New York
Grammy nominated band Dream Theater performed at Luna Park in Argentina back in August 2012. To commemorate the one year anniversary of that show, they will be releasing a live Blu-Ray/DVD of the concert through Over The Edge Productions, responsible for their drummer audition videos that aired back in April 2011.
After the departure of their drummer of 25 years, Mike Portnoy the band went on the search for a new drummer. After choosing Mike Mangini, the band recorded their critically acclaimed and suspiciously titled 11th album A Dramatic Turn of Events in September of 2011. They then embarked on a World Tour which just wrapped up last September.
The new DVD should be out late 2013.
Quote from: PetFish on January 10, 2013, 12:59:04 PM
I love Raw Dog. The 30s starting at 3:18 is just so cool and badass. Then at 5:05 there's more badassery.
See?! Other people DO like Raw Dog :lol
BTW, if anyone thinks my new signature is annoying or distracting, I'll change it.
So, August 2013 :sad: Bleh.
@SystematicThought - is that real? I can't find it anywhere.
Not happy with the August 2013 release date. Why not just release it in April or May? It doesn't make sense to have two DT products (new album and live CD/DVD) release at the same time....
Quote from: SystematicThought on January 10, 2013, 01:02:05 PM
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Thursday January 10th, 2013
New York
Grammy nominated band Dream Theater performed at Luna Park in Argentina back in August 2012. To commemorate the one year anniversary of that show, they will be releasing a live Blu-Ray/DVD of the concert through Over The Edge Productions, responsible for their drummer audition videos that aired back in April 2011.
After the departure of their drummer of 25 years, Mike Portnoy the band went on the search for a new drummer. After choosing Mike Mangini, the band recorded their critically acclaimed and suspiciously titled 11th album A Dramatic Turn of Events in September of 2011. They then embarked on a World Tour which just wrapped up last September.
The new DVD should be out late 2013
Yay!
:dangerwillrobinson:
No, it isn't real.
But hey, I should ask MP to hire me to write press releases if that was believable
I do apologize if I led people on there :lol
^ I thought so. I saw some grammatical errors in there. ;)
EDIT: :lol I just saw the "suspiciously titled" sentence. That's amazing how we all glanced over that!
You apparently got bosk... did this really happen? :lol
Quote from: Shadow2222 on January 10, 2013, 01:08:27 PM
^ I thought so. I saw some grammatical errors in there. ;)
EDIT: :lol I just saw the "suspiciously titled" sentence. That's amazing how we all glanced over that!
It was written true to a Blabbermouth article
Quote from: SystematicThought on January 10, 2013, 01:07:47 PM
No, it isn't real.
But hey, I should ask MP to hire me to write press releases if that was believable
I do apologize if I led people on there :lol
Apology not accepted, bitch. >:(
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on January 10, 2013, 01:09:35 PM
You apparently got bosk... did this really happen? :lol
Well, that's why I responded with that new emoticon that I created. :biggrin:
Quote from: bosk1 on January 10, 2013, 01:12:11 PM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on January 10, 2013, 01:09:35 PM
You apparently got bosk... did this really happen? :lol
Well, that's why I responded with that new emoticon that I created. :biggrin:
And new 2013 DTF phenomenon together with Milena's avatar! :biggrin:
You just named it..... :sadpanda:
I created it..... :millahhhh
Quote from: SystematicThought on January 10, 2013, 01:14:54 PM
You just named it..... :sadpanda:
I created it..... :millahhhh
:orly:
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Quote from: boskfriggin1sosuckit!:dangerwillrobinson:
^Labrie?
I'm not worthy!
:hefdaddy
I'm scum!! I suck!!
And besides, JayOctavarium said I created it, and Jay never lies. https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=34968.msg1484604#msg1484604
Oh, and:
Quote from: SystematicThought on January 10, 2013, 01:17:50 PM
I'm not worthy!
:hefdaddy
I'm scum!! I suck!!
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This should be trippy :D
:rollin :mehlin
:1967:
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Okay, fine. You made it. I can't have you moping about out in the rain. You'll catch your death of a cold.
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Quote from: bosk1 on January 10, 2013, 01:07:04 PM
Quote from: SystematicThought on January 10, 2013, 01:02:05 PM
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Thursday January 10th, 2013
New York
Grammy nominated band Dream Theater performed at Luna Park in Argentina back in August 2012. To commemorate the one year anniversary of that show, they will be releasing a live Blu-Ray/DVD of the concert through Over The Edge Productions, responsible for their drummer audition videos that aired back in April 2011.
After the departure of their drummer of 25 years, Mike Portnoy the band went on the search for a new drummer. After choosing Mike Mangini, the band recorded their critically acclaimed and suspiciously titled 11th album A Dramatic Turn of Events in September of 2011. They then embarked on a World Tour which just wrapped up last September.
The new DVD should be out late 2013
Yay!
:dangerwillrobinson:
[/quoteQuote from: bosk1 on January 10, 2013, 01:18:20 PM
And besides, JayOctavarium said I created it, and Jay never lies. https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=34968.msg1484604#msg1484604
Yup. bosk gets it Does this mean I am not getting bant?
gawd that quote is a mess
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Quote from: Perpetual Change on January 10, 2013, 12:58:30 PM
Quote from: Perpetual Change on January 10, 2013, 12:32:43 PM
Hey guys, I have an update about DT12. Stay tuned for my next post in this thread.
Okay, so, I can't let anything out without coordinating with the band first... HOWEVER, I will say that DT12 is currently being worked on to satisfy fan cravings for the best possible DT experience! The album is bound to be released in several versions and on several formats, and I will definitely be pointing you all to some real goodies as the band makes the available. Thanks for following!
Ha!! Excellent. That's commitment to a bit.
The timing on that is so much win!
I really like that rainy gif. For some reason it makes me feel instrospective and calm.
Quote from: PetFish on January 10, 2013, 07:27:40 PM
I really like that rainy gif. For some reason it makes me feel instrospective and calm.
If only you were in New York City...
Quote from: GasparXR on January 11, 2013, 04:26:23 AM
Quote from: PetFish on January 10, 2013, 07:27:40 PM
I really like that rainy gif. For some reason it makes me feel instrospective and calm.
If only you were in New York City...
Or Tokyo
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Quote from: GasparXR on January 11, 2013, 04:26:23 AM
Quote from: PetFish on January 10, 2013, 07:27:40 PM
I really like that rainy gif. For some reason it makes me feel instrospective and calm.
If only you were in New York City...
Or Tokyo
Only when live in tokyo though.
I'm in Vancouver. I love rain, thunder, lightning, etc. Sudden thundershowers are the absolute best.
Quote from: PetFish on January 11, 2013, 02:55:32 PM
I'm in Vancouver. I love rain, thunder, lightning, etc. Sudden thundershowers are the absolute best.
I like when they suddenly clear up. :P
Sooooooo
Carrying on......I was thinking about DVD commentarys.
Personally, cos I, like many here, are/is a bit/lot of a geek when it comes to DT/Anne Hathaway, I like the commentarys on previous releases. But I think it's sorta obvious that they were a MIke Portnoy thing as he likes his movie extras and he did most of the commentating.
However, I think it would be pretty cool to hear the guys again. I'd like to get MM's view of the contrast between touring as part of a band as opposed to being a hired gun.
I guess it's late in the day as the DVD is probably well in to post-production. And also, many apologies if this has been discussed in a previous thread/life.
Thoughts?
Quote from: puppyonacid on January 17, 2013, 05:08:07 AM
Sooooooo
Carrying on......I was thinking about DVD commentarys.
Personally, cos I, like many here, are/is a bit/lot of a geek when it comes to DT/Anne Hathaway, I like the commentarys on previous releases. But I think it's sorta obvious that they were a MIke Portnoy thing as he likes his movie extras and he did most of the commentating.
However, I think it would be pretty cool to hear the guys again. I'd like to get MM's view of the contrast between touring as part of a band as opposed to being a hired gun.
I guess it's late in the day as the DVD is probably well in to post-production. And also, many apologies if this has been discussed in a previous thread/life.
Thoughts?
I get more out of the commentaries than the DVD itself. I'd absolutely love one.
Hi. I don´t usually post here, but when I do:
"Over the Edge Productions: Trailer is done and delivered and out of our hands... I'm told its being released soon. If I had to guess... Late next week. Hope you enjoy it!"
Taken from OTE facebook. :corn
Quote from: Pepe108 on January 26, 2013, 09:14:00 AM
Hi. I don´t usually post here, but when I do:
"Over the Edge Productions: Trailer is done and delivered and out of our hands... I'm told its being released soon. If I had to guess... Late next week. Hope you enjoy it!"
Taken from OTE facebook. :corn
Thanks for this information, and I suppose welcome again to the forum :)
The excitement level is rising :metal
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:metal :hefdaddy :tup :corn :hat :coolio
Hopefully it won't be a 20 seconds trailer but at least half of a verse from some shorter song, or maybe Mangini's playful drumming from Lost not forgotten..... :xbones
I'm really curious what the bonus features will be, and hope the trailer sheds some light on them.
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Quote from: Pepe108 on January 26, 2013, 09:14:00 AM
Hi. I don´t usually post here, but when I do:
"Over the Edge Productions: Trailer is done and delivered and out of our hands... I'm told its being released soon. If I had to guess... Late next week. Hope you enjoy it!"
Taken from OTE facebook. :corn
Link ? Can't see it ..
Quote from: dodido253 on January 26, 2013, 11:27:33 AM
Quote from: Pepe108 on January 26, 2013, 09:14:00 AM
Hi. I don´t usually post here, but when I do:
"Over the Edge Productions: Trailer is done and delivered and out of our hands... I'm told its being released soon. If I had to guess... Late next week. Hope you enjoy it!"
Taken from OTE facebook. :corn
Link ? Can't see it ..
Sry to dissappoint you but^^
It's on On the Edge's facebook page. Just look it up.
I think we can conclude that OTE have finished production, can't we?! And that the trailer should be accompanied by an official release date and some info about the DVD..... ;)
Well I for one hope it's a proper trailer and not a teaser.
Anyway, thanks OTE! They are dealing with the most impatient fanbase in the world and they haven't told us to go to hell so far :lol
They'll do so after we all buy a copy :biggrin:
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on January 26, 2013, 11:51:42 AM
It's on On the Edge's facebook page. Just look it up.
Lolwut?
Do you mean to say the trailer is on their Facebook or just information about it? I quickly looked at the page but didn't see anything.
It's a comment on some completely unrelated link.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=463382567053710&set=a.452030961522204.103217.135021603223143&type=1&comment_id=1261934&offset=0&total_comments=10
for the sake of everyone's sanity :chill
I'm probably a few months late to the party but regarding some posts in the last page mentioning a commentary; I'd love one, though honestly without MP it's gonna go kinda like...
*James being goofy*
*Awkward silence*
*JP mentioning something ironic that happened during the last tour*
*Guys talking about how MP used to do this and that, and how they played in Buenos Aires before or something*
*Awkward silence*
*...Awkward silence*
*......................Awkward silence*
JLB: "Hey John, what did you play there?"
JM: "............Bass."
Quote from: IdoSC on January 26, 2013, 01:29:07 PM
I'm probably a few months late to the party but regarding some posts in the last page mentioning a commentary; I'd love one, though honestly without MP it's gonna go kinda like...
*James being goofy*
*Awkward silence*
*JP mentioning something ironic that happened during the last tour*
*Guys talking about how MP used to do this and that, and how they played in Buenos Aires before or something*
*Awkward silence*
*...Awkward silence*
*......................Awkward silence*
JLB: "Hey John, what did you play there?"
JM: "............Bass."
Uhmmmm, not necessarily true, the fun factor will be cut down, but I'd say, referring to their comments in the TSCO documentary, they'd know how to make a serious commentary. But there wouldn't be that much laughter, unless MM comes up with some anecdotes or funny thoughts..... however, one should be fully aware of the fact that there are certain qualities that are gone (forever?) with the departure of MP..... imo!
And yes, if they're gonna mention MP during the commentary, I can totally hear JLB and JM sighing and some kind of nostalgic tone in JP's voice :lol
My favorite lines in all their commentaries are mostly delivered by JLB, JP or JR so I don't think not having MP will be that much of an issue when it comes to entertainment value. However, MP provided a lot of the useful info and tidbits (when they weren't stuck talking musical stuff like on LSFNY) so I don't know who could do that. Maybe JR. Certainly not JLB, with his constant absent-mindedness :lol
JM will provide. I think the guy has seen so much in his life and is silent just because certain people are paying him shitloads of money to keep his mouth shut about certain things. Once he starts to speak, they'll all be doomed......
If its a proper trailer, I expect the trailer to be several minutes long and to feature snippets from interviews, snippets of the performance, and other cool little things to tease the upcoming live CD/DVD/BR.
Quote from: philmcson on January 26, 2013, 02:00:39 PM
JM will provide. I think the guy has seen so much in his life and is silent just because certain people are paying him shitloads of money to keep his mouth shut about certain things. Once he starts to speak, they'll all be doomed......
"John, what are you playing here?"
"Actually, that is a very cool question, guys! You see, since the beginning of my playing experience I have always....." :rollin
Nah, I don't see this happening at all :lol
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on January 26, 2013, 01:40:29 PM
My favorite lines in all their commentaries are mostly delivered by JLB, JP or JR so I don't think not having MP will be that much of an issue when it comes to entertainment value. However, MP provided a lot of the useful info and tidbits (when they weren't stuck talking musical stuff like on LSFNY) so I don't know who could do that. Maybe JR. Certainly not JLB, with his constant absent-mindedness :lol
They haven't done a commentary in nine years. I think the events of the preceding nine years probably provides more than enough material for the guys to chat about things for two or three hours. Just because MP was the one who said a lot of the factual stuff in previous DVDs doesn't mean the other guys know nothing about DT history--JP and JM have been in the band from day one and James and Jordan are doing a lot of the behind the scenes PR stuff post-MP, so they're taking initiative there. And, as we all know, MM is quite loquacious. The dude could probably spend the entire commentary answering one question.
Quote from: The Presence of Frenemies on January 26, 2013, 03:13:31 PM
And, as we all know, MM is quite loquacious. The dude could probably spend the entire commentary answering one question.
But then we would need a dedicated camera to monitor MM's face expressions during the commentary :biggrin:
Quote from: wasteland on January 26, 2013, 03:12:22 PM
Quote from: philmcson on January 26, 2013, 02:00:39 PM
JM will provide. I think the guy has seen so much in his life and is silent just because certain people are paying him shitloads of money to keep his mouth shut about certain things. Once he starts to speak, they'll all be doomed......
"John, what are you playing here?"
"Actually, that is a very cool question, guys! You see, since the beginning of my playing experience I have always....." :rollin
Nah, I don't see this happening at all :lol
Hahahaha, neither do I :lol
I was thinking about him being some kind of next Lemmy, like, having seen Sodom and Gomorrah on the musical scene, for instance ludicrous scenes in DT's backstage (JP and MP having a bromance? JLB and MP being good friends even after Mike's departure? MM calling MP and asking for advice on how to play that certain fill during Wait for sleep? We'll never know! Allegedly MP isn't releasing DVD after DVD to pay his bills but to pay protection money. To JM). :censored
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Quote from: MoraWintersoul on January 26, 2013, 01:40:29 PM
My favorite lines in all their commentaries are mostly delivered by JLB, JP or JR so I don't think not having MP will be that much of an issue when it comes to entertainment value. However, MP provided a lot of the useful info and tidbits (when they weren't stuck talking musical stuff like on LSFNY) so I don't know who could do that. Maybe JR. Certainly not JLB, with his constant absent-mindedness :lol
They haven't done a commentary in nine years. I think the events of the preceding nine years probably provides more than enough material for the guys to chat about things for two or three hours. Just because MP was the one who said a lot of the factual stuff in previous DVDs doesn't mean the other guys know nothing about DT history--JP and JM have been in the band from day one and James and Jordan are doing a lot of the behind the scenes PR stuff post-MP, so they're taking initiative there. And, as we all know, MM is quite loquacious. The dude could probably spend the entire commentary answering one question.
Oh yeah, I should be clearer there, I don't think they're uncapable of talking history and talking about the band, it seems that everyone thinks the other guys are mute just because MP was the one that talked the most and it pisses me off sometimes :rollin but he did speak in a really streamlined, directed way and always seemed to have in mind what will be interesting for us to know so I was wondering who replicate that exact role.
Most liley James. He always looked, and especially so of late, the one most deeply in touch with the fan's thougts and ideas and feelings.
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Quote from: The Presence of Frenemies on January 26, 2013, 03:13:31 PM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on January 26, 2013, 01:40:29 PM
My favorite lines in all their commentaries are mostly delivered by JLB, JP or JR so I don't think not having MP will be that much of an issue when it comes to entertainment value. However, MP provided a lot of the useful info and tidbits (when they weren't stuck talking musical stuff like on LSFNY) so I don't know who could do that. Maybe JR. Certainly not JLB, with his constant absent-mindedness :lol
They haven't done a commentary in nine years. I think the events of the preceding nine years probably provides more than enough material for the guys to chat about things for two or three hours. Just because MP was the one who said a lot of the factual stuff in previous DVDs doesn't mean the other guys know nothing about DT history--JP and JM have been in the band from day one and James and Jordan are doing a lot of the behind the scenes PR stuff post-MP, so they're taking initiative there. And, as we all know, MM is quite loquacious. The dude could probably spend the entire commentary answering one question.
Oh yeah, I should be clearer there, I don't think they're uncapable of talking history and talking about the band, it seems that everyone thinks the other guys are mute just because MP was the one that talked the most and it pisses me off sometimes :rollin but he did speak in a really streamlined, directed way and always seemed to have in mind what will be interesting for us to know so I was wondering who replicate that exact role.
I would guess that the "roles" would change a lot in general. I would guess that with the old commentaries, MP probably let everybody know he was going to be the "moderator" of discussions, and they were fine with that. Without him around, I would think everybody would take on a bit more of an equal share and the discussion would be a little bit less directed, which can be good or bad depending on how you look at it.
Or maybe they'll just designate one member to do that sort of thing--your guess is as good as mine as to who it'd be, though it obviously would be JMX or MM.
Also, I knew my paying attention to JP's shirt was important, as I don't think this one is from the Argentina shows: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=452031608188806&set=a.452030961522204.103217.135021603223143&type=1&theater
Possible bonus material - something from the rehearsals or some other show? I know JP wore this shirt in Berlin on the Euro tour but not the jeans and the sneakers :biggrin: I'll have to do a major search in the ADTOE tour pictures I guess.
Most likely reharsals, I say. I don't remember him ever wearing those kind of jeans on stage before or during this tour.
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on January 27, 2013, 12:09:19 PM
Also, I knew my paying attention to JP's shirt was important, as I don't think this one is from the Argentina shows: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=452031608188806&set=a.452030961522204.103217.135021603223143&type=1&theater
Possible bonus material - something from the rehearsals or some other show? I know JP wore this shirt in Berlin on the Euro tour but not the jeans and the sneakers :biggrin: I'll have to do a major search in the ADTOE tour pictures I guess.
That's the first thing I thought too when I saw that picture. Perhaps a rehearsal, or even a stage tour/rig rundown thing. Who knows? I just want them to take the DVD out of that can they were talking about and put it on my doorstep.
It was said that there would be bonus footage from the rest of that leg of the tour.
Quote from: wasteland on January 26, 2013, 03:12:22 PM
Quote from: philmcson on January 26, 2013, 02:00:39 PM
JM will provide. I think the guy has seen so much in his life and is silent just because certain people are paying him shitloads of money to keep his mouth shut about certain things. Once he starts to speak, they'll all be doomed......
"John, what are you playing here?"
"Actually, that is a very cool question, guys! You see, since the beginning of my playing experience I have always....." :rollin
Nah, I don't see this happening at all :lol
JLB: John, what are you playing there?
JM: It depends on what you mean. The instrument or the specific model?
*Everyone laughs*
JM: ....Well, no...which one were you referring to?
*Everyone laughs*
JM: Ummm, bass.
............
JLB: Dude, we're talking about the model. We know you play a fucking bass.
JP: James, settle down man.
JR: Don't talk to James that way.
MM: Guys, treat each other with RESPECT!
Paul Northfield: Why did you guys invite me here?
Quote from: Madman Shepherd on January 27, 2013, 08:40:22 PM
JLB: Dude, we're talking about the model. We know you play a fucking bass.
JP: James, settle down man.
JR: Don't talk to James that way.
MM: Woah Jordan, watch your TOOOOOOOONNE
Paul Northfield: Why did you guys invite me here?
Fixed. :tup
Quote from: TheLordOfTheStrings on January 27, 2013, 11:55:47 PM
Quote from: Madman Shepherd on January 27, 2013, 08:40:22 PM
JLB: Dude, we're talking about the model. We know you play a fucking bass.
JP: James, settle down man.
JR: Don't talk to James that way.
MM: Woah Jordan, watch your TOOOOOOOONNE
Paul Northfield: Why did you guys invite me here?
Fixed. :tup
:rollin
:rollin
Quote from: TheLordOfTheStrings on January 27, 2013, 11:55:47 PM
Quote from: Madman Shepherd on January 27, 2013, 08:40:22 PM
JLB: Dude, we're talking about the model. We know you play a fucking bass.
JP: James, settle down man.
JR: Don't talk to James that way.
MM: Woah Jordan, watch your TOOOOOOOONNE
Paul Northfield: Why did you guys invite me here?
Fixed. :tup
Not this thread too. :lol
Quote from: wasteland on January 26, 2013, 03:49:22 PM
Most liley James. He always looked, and especially so of late, the one most deeply in touch with the fan's thougts and ideas and feelings.
Even as he holds us in his arms?
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on January 27, 2013, 12:09:19 PM
Also, I knew my paying attention to JP's shirt was important, as I don't think this one is from the Argentina shows: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=452031608188806&set=a.452030961522204.103217.135021603223143&type=1&theater
Possible bonus material - something from the rehearsals or some other show? I know JP wore this shirt in Berlin on the Euro tour but not the jeans and the sneakers :biggrin: I'll have to do a major search in the ADTOE tour pictures I guess.
Not the Argentina show for sure but as Wasteland said it's probably a rehearsal.
Quote from: Prog Snob on January 28, 2013, 05:41:01 AM
Quote from: wasteland on January 26, 2013, 03:49:22 PM
Most liley James. He always looked, and especially so of late, the one most deeply in touch with the fan's thougts and ideas and feelings.
Even as he holds us in his arms?
*swoon*
(I hope he is not lurking now)
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on January 28, 2013, 05:44:06 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on January 28, 2013, 05:41:01 AM
Quote from: wasteland on January 26, 2013, 03:49:22 PM
Most liley James. He always looked, and especially so of late, the one most deeply in touch with the fan's thougts and ideas and feelings.
Even as he holds us in his arms?
*swoon*
(I hope he is not lurking now)
He would put on the puzzled but courteous expression, and after a few seconds realize and laugh at how affectionate and crazy we are :laugh:
Quote from: wasteland on January 28, 2013, 05:50:59 AM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on January 28, 2013, 05:44:06 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on January 28, 2013, 05:41:01 AM
Quote from: wasteland on January 26, 2013, 03:49:22 PM
Most liley James. He always looked, and especially so of late, the one most deeply in touch with the fan's thougts and ideas and feelings.
Even as he holds us in his arms?
*swoon*
(I hope he is not lurking now)
He would put on the puzzled but courteous expression, and after a few seconds realize and laugh at how affectionate and crazy we are :laugh:
Something like this?
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_3297_1357206664.jpg)
No, that's the "I'm trying hard to find the proper words to describe how PHNOMENAL something was" :laugh:
More like:
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.rr.roadrunnerrecords.com/photos/7263/largest/efa2fe20-a3fc-49a4-b057-50afeb193c09-1342108400/labrie.jpg?1342108452)
^ no, that's more like :
" That was the day that Petrucci and Rudess said that Portnoy was coming back...."
:rollin
Is it just me or does it look like JLB is about to burst into tears! :lol
He's just a sensitive man. That and he has sad eyes by default.
SOMEONE STOP ME FROM COMMENTING.
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on January 28, 2013, 06:27:09 AM
He's just a sensitive man. That and he has sad eyes by default.
SOMEONE STOP ME FROM COMMENTING.
But you're posts are so lovely. :3
...
Does that help? :neverusethis:
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on January 28, 2013, 06:27:09 AM
He's just a sensitive man. That and he has sad eyes by default.
SOMEONE STOP ME FROM COMMENTING.
That's what you would expect from the man who wrote Disappear, Vacant and Far From Heaven :)
So, trailer in a few days? I'm expecting a clip of On The Backs Of Angels, and it's very cool because we have never seen enough of that song live in the video.
Quote from: wasteland on January 28, 2013, 06:39:49 AM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on January 28, 2013, 06:27:09 AM
He's just a sensitive man. That and he has sad eyes by default.
SOMEONE STOP ME FROM COMMENTING.
That's what you would expect from the man who wrote Disappear, Vacant and Far From Heaven :)
So, trailer in a few days? I'm expecting a clip of On The Backs Of Angels, and it's very cool because we have never seen enough of that song live in the video.
Coming from the man who collects bootlegs many of which have the same songs. :lol
So what? :D I have six different versions of Learning To Live in my iPod. Do you have a problem with that? :rollin
Quote from: wasteland on January 28, 2013, 06:55:19 AM
So what? :D I have six different versions of Learning To Live in my iPod. Do you have a problem with that? :rollin
Does that count Breaking all Illusions? :neverusethis:
Quote from: GasparXR on January 28, 2013, 07:04:47 AM
Quote from: wasteland on January 28, 2013, 06:55:19 AM
So what? :D I have six different versions of Learning To Live in my iPod. Do you have a problem with that? :rollin
Does that count Breaking all Illusions? :neverusethis:
Ah, right! There's 10 of them, then :tup
Do you think we will get the DVD before the new album?
Quote from: OsMosis2259 on January 28, 2013, 11:58:28 AM
Do you think we will get the DVD before the new album?
Oh, sure we will! A trailer has already been handed to the band and it's likely to be released within the next few weeks, or even earlier. This of course must mean that we are pretty far down the line of the process of developement, which is also quite expected as 5 months already elapsed since the concert was shot.
I'd say we would not too optimistic expecting an April/May release. :tup
Quote from: wasteland on January 28, 2013, 12:01:36 PM
Quote from: OsMosis2259 on January 28, 2013, 11:58:28 AM
Do you think we will get the DVD before the new album?
Oh, sure we will! A trailer has already been handed to the band and it's likely to be released within the next few weeks, or even earlier. This of course must mean that we are pretty far down the line of the process of developement, which is also quite expected as 5 months already elapsed since the concert was shot.
I'd say we would not too optimistic expecting an April/May release. :tup
April/May sounds good.
Score seemed to be pretty quick. Recorded April 1, 2006 and was released August 29, 2006.
Quote from: IdoSC on January 26, 2013, 01:29:07 PM
I'm probably a few months late to the party but regarding some posts in the last page mentioning a commentary; I'd love one, though honestly without MP it's gonna go kinda like...
*James being goofy*
*Awkward silence*
*JP mentioning something ironic that happened during the last tour*
*Guys talking about how MP used to do this and that, and how they played in Buenos Aires before or something*
*Awkward silence*
*...Awkward silence*
*......................Awkward silence*
JLB: "Hey John, what did you play there?"
JM: "............Bass."
I doubt it. James and JP especially can talk for days when you let them, and are VERY entertaining to just listen to. Come to think of it, same with Mike. I think a commentary would be VERY interesting to listen to. And honestly, not to bash Portnoy, but his style and manner of kind of taking over the conversations during other commentaries can come across as overbearing and offputting. I got used to it, but I remember being very offput by it on the Live Scenes and WDADRU commentaries especially.
Quote from: OsMosis2259 on January 28, 2013, 12:07:49 PM
Score seemed to be pretty quick. Recorded April 1, 2006 and was released August 29, 2006.
I hear you, but I feel and reasonably think that this one will be significantly bigger than SCORE, in all accounts.
Quote from: wasteland on January 28, 2013, 12:11:04 PM
Quote from: OsMosis2259 on January 28, 2013, 12:07:49 PM
Score seemed to be pretty quick. Recorded April 1, 2006 and was released August 29, 2006.
I hear you, but I feel and reasonably think that this one will be significantly bigger than SCORE, in all accounts.
True true. I'm really looking forward to it :tup
Quote from: bosk1 on January 28, 2013, 12:08:39 PM
Quote from: IdoSC on January 26, 2013, 01:29:07 PM
I'm probably a few months late to the party but regarding some posts in the last page mentioning a commentary; I'd love one, though honestly without MP it's gonna go kinda like...
*James being goofy*
*Awkward silence*
*JP mentioning something ironic that happened during the last tour*
*Guys talking about how MP used to do this and that, and how they played in Buenos Aires before or something*
*Awkward silence*
*...Awkward silence*
*......................Awkward silence*
JLB: "Hey John, what did you play there?"
JM: "............Bass."
I doubt it. James and JP especially can talk for days when you let them, and are VERY entertaining to just listen to. Come to think of it, same with Mike. I think a commentary would be VERY interesting to listen to. And honestly, not to bash Portnoy, but his style and manner of kind of taking over the conversations during other commentaries can come across as overbearing and offputting. I got used to it, but I remember being very offput by it on the Live Scenes and WDADRU commentaries especially.
Totally agree with all of the above. You have to remember that if they did a commentary, they'd probably put some forethought into it--what would make for interesting facts to mention, conversations to have, etc. Not that the whole thing is entirely scripted, but it's not like one day they just come in and make everything up on the spot. With a bit of forethought and planning there's no way they'd just lapse into silence.
Quote from: wasteland on January 28, 2013, 12:11:04 PM
Quote from: OsMosis2259 on January 28, 2013, 12:07:49 PM
Score seemed to be pretty quick. Recorded April 1, 2006 and was released August 29, 2006.
I hear you, but I feel and reasonably think that this one will be significantly bigger than SCORE, in all accounts.
I hear you, BUT Score did have a fucking orchestra that had to be mixed for the final release. I imagine that was time consuming. :P
Quote from: TheLordOfTheStrings on January 28, 2013, 12:34:52 PM
Quote from: wasteland on January 28, 2013, 12:11:04 PM
Quote from: OsMosis2259 on January 28, 2013, 12:07:49 PM
Score seemed to be pretty quick. Recorded April 1, 2006 and was released August 29, 2006.
I hear you, but I feel and reasonably think that this one will be significantly bigger than SCORE, in all accounts.
I hear you, BUT Score did have a fucking orchestra that had to be mixed for the final release. I imagine that was time consuming. :P
yeah and an hour documentary :corn
Quote from: TheLordOfTheStrings on January 28, 2013, 12:34:52 PM
Quote from: wasteland on January 28, 2013, 12:11:04 PM
Quote from: OsMosis2259 on January 28, 2013, 12:07:49 PM
Score seemed to be pretty quick. Recorded April 1, 2006 and was released August 29, 2006.
I hear you, but I feel and reasonably think that this one will be significantly bigger than SCORE, in all accounts.
I hear you, BUT Score did have a fucking orchestra that had to be mixed for the final release. I imagine that was time consuming. :P
I personally didnt think the orchestra sounded the greatest. Not that I disliked it, just thought the mix of it wasnt that great, especially compared to other metal concerts with orchestras
The orchestra was a bit out of tune in a number of places, so that would have contributed to it not sounding too good in the mix..Shame about that. Still I love Score though :D
I'd also say, on the subject of audio commentaries, (which was only two posts ago when I started typing - feels a bit late, now!) that I was listening to IaWLiT last night and John Myung was... surprisingly forthcoming! He's not the chattiest bloke in the world, he's not starting conversations and he's certainly one of the least talkative people there, but he's laughing, he's joking, he's joining in. "Whoa, John's stage left! What are you doing over there, John?" "I think someone was baking some cookies."
Possible I'm getting voices mixed up - I had it on as I was trying to get to sleep - but there were absolutely five voices
to mix up. And he's seemed more forthcoming lately than he ever was at the time, too. I'm not suggesting he'll be constantly mouthing off WDADRU-style (so I'm told), but hearing what he's got to say is often a highlight. If we get a commentary, I reckon he'd muck in, in his own mystical way.
Quote from: bosk1 on January 28, 2013, 12:08:39 PM
I doubt it. James and JP especially can talk for days when you let them, and are VERY entertaining to just listen to. Come to think of it, same with Mike. I think a commentary would be VERY interesting to listen to. And honestly, not to bash Portnoy, but his style and manner of kind of taking over the conversations during other commentaries can come across as overbearing and offputting. I got used to it, but I remember being very offput by it on the Live Scenes and WDADRU commentaries especially.
Never bothered me in the commentaries - I was a new fan when LAB came out, I was eager to hear everything that everyone had to say - but certainly in recent history, it became a little tiresome only having the one perspective. He was clearly growing tired of giving interviews, and I'd have to say, if they'd recorded a commentary for Score or Chaos in Motion, I wouldn't be nearly as interested in hearing Mike's perspective as I would be in hearing the other members speaking out. Great that he stays in contact, and I always relished, right up to the end of 2010, that a member of the band was so eager to share information with the fans. He's the kind of bloke who shares everything he's thinking, and in many ways that's great, but I think, in the context of a commentary, it'd risk drawing focus from what might've been a rare opportunity to hear from some of his less outspoken comrades.
Which is a long way of saying, "Never bothered me at the time, but it'd bother me now, so I'm quite eager to hear how a commentary without Mike Portnoy might sound." God, I do go on.
Out of control - your fingers in constant motion.
Quote from: cramx3 on January 28, 2013, 04:38:54 PM
Quote from: TheLordOfTheStrings on January 28, 2013, 12:34:52 PM
Quote from: wasteland on January 28, 2013, 12:11:04 PM
Quote from: OsMosis2259 on January 28, 2013, 12:07:49 PM
Score seemed to be pretty quick. Recorded April 1, 2006 and was released August 29, 2006.
I hear you, but I feel and reasonably think that this one will be significantly bigger than SCORE, in all accounts.
I hear you, BUT Score did have a fucking orchestra that had to be mixed for the final release. I imagine that was time consuming. :P
I personally didnt think the orchestra sounded the greatest. Not that I disliked it, just thought the mix of it wasnt that great, especially compared to other metal concerts with orchestras
Definitely. It wasn't as great as it could have been (which is why I consider Budokan's mix to be better, among other aspects). I wouldn't have minded if they took another 6 months making sure everything was perfect for release. I'm prepared to be blown away by this release, which will probably be a step forward direction-wise, mix-wise and visual-wise.
Quote from: robwebster on January 28, 2013, 04:52:10 PM
I'd also say, on the subject of audio commentaries, (which was only two posts ago when I started typing - feels a bit late, now!) that I was listening to IaWLiT last night and John Myung was... surprisingly forthcoming! He's not the chattiest bloke in the world, he's not starting conversations and he's certainly one of the least talkative people there, but he's laughing, he's joking, he's joining in. "Whoa, John's stage left! What are you doing over there, John?" "I think someone was baking some cookies."
Possible I'm getting voices mixed up - I had it on as I was trying to get to sleep - but there were absolutely five voices to mix up. And he's seemed more forthcoming lately than he ever was at the time, too. I'm not suggesting he'll be constantly mouthing off WDADRU-style (so I'm told), but hearing what he's got to say is often a highlight. If we get a commentary, I reckon he'd muck in, in his own mystical way.
I'm always surprised by how much JM chimes in with all the commentaries, actually. It's not really just isolated to one. Maybe LSFNY he was a bit more detached, but LiT/5YIALT/WDADRU he's very engaged. And obviously he'd have to pick up some slack by default, with MP not steering everything.
Just a quick side note regarding commentaries. Besides DT, the funniest commentary I ever heard was Type O Negative's After Dark.
I really hope there will be a commentary in the first place :mora:
Nah, the most important thing would be to have split-cam during BITS. I'd switch to MM view and analyze beat by beat.... :metal
It says a lot about Mangini that he's the newest member of my favorite band and he is the one I can't stop looking at when he plays. He's so captivating.
Fo' sure! When I visited them in Düsseldorf, I just kept staring at him during BITS.... if JM had started singing backvokals, I wouldn't have noticed..... :laugh:
Over the Edge's facebook: We can't say much since things change and we are not involved heavily in the release or distribution but I would bet it will come out before August
Quote from: jonny108 on January 29, 2013, 04:23:17 AM
Over the Edge's facebook: We can't say much since things change and we are not involved heavily in the release or distribution but I would bet it will come out before August
Oh, jeez. I'm skick of the release date being pushed on and on and on and on :'(
Just seen..... maybe they want to release an album/dvd package for 50 bucks, huh?! :\ :lol
Quote from: philmcson on January 29, 2013, 04:29:52 AM
Just seen..... maybe they want to release an album/dvd package for 50 bucks, huh?! :\ :lol
No, that would be a suicide. Please, can't I just skip to August? :'(
... oh God why. Can't "before August" be, like, tomorrow? :-X
I know it's going to be absolutely incredible and I am really happy they decided to do it and went with it but sheesh I want it to come out soon so bad. It's been five months since they recorded it already, now imagine waiting seven more or something.
I mean, give it several more months and they'll be out in the pre-DT12 tour and we'll be all psyched over the new album announcements and we'll then have to get mentally into the ADTOE tour-celebration all over again. It's not a bad thing, I'll have a DT overload in my brain then, but it just makes it a bit dated, as silly as it sounds.
I think that they've decided they want the DVD to be the launch of the promotional campaign for the new record/tour. In a musical industry where touring is extremely more important than to put out a record, a well received dvd would be a great publicity for the upcoming tour.
Quote from: DreamerTV on January 29, 2013, 04:50:19 AM
I think that they've decided they want the DVD to be the launch of the promotional campaign for the new record/tour. In a musical industry where touring is extremely more important than to put out a record, a well received dvd would be a great publicity for the upcoming tour.
If so May / June sound like a good time, in order to let the DVD sink in the fanbase before they start touring by the beginning of July. But still I hope for an earlier release. :/
Quote from: DreamerTV on January 29, 2013, 04:50:19 AM
I think that they've decided they want the DVD to be the launch of the promotional campaign for the new record/tour. In a musical industry where touring is extremely more important than to put out a record, a well received dvd would be a great publicity for the upcoming tour.
Well they should give us ample time to receive it well :rollin
I just don't like the "estimate" process that keeps pushing the release date back - if they told us, like, last year the DVD will take a year, I would have understood. After all, it's a huge job.
Yes, I think the times are ripe for an official announcement, whatever the release date is. This continuous and discording proclaims by Over The Edge do nothing but confuse the situation. There needs to be more clarity.
Meaning, Dream Theater should speak up a bit.
Meaning, RELEASE THE KRAKEN. :metal
... uhm, I mean, trailer.
Quote from: wasteland on January 29, 2013, 04:30:37 AM
Quote from: philmcson on January 29, 2013, 04:29:52 AM
Just seen..... maybe they want to release an album/dvd package for 50 bucks, huh?! :\ :lol
No, that would be a suicide. Please, can't I just skip to August? :'(
No band would release an album with a DVD promoting the previous album. The DVD will have to come out several months BEFORE the new album. It just makes sense.
I reckon DVD in May and new Album in September.
I agree. And I bet we'll see an announcement with a trailer/release date/other things here in the next few weeks.
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on January 29, 2013, 04:35:35 AM
... oh God why. Can't "before August" be, like, tomorrow? :-X
But, it IS before August already.
:millahhhh
Given that the DVD will now almost certainly overlap the promotion for DT12, at this stage I would expect it to be released as a special edition bonus disc with the new album.
Quote from: Kotowboy on January 29, 2013, 05:19:19 AM
No band would release an album with a DVD promoting the previous album. The DVD will have to come out several months BEFORE the new album. It just makes sense.
I reckon DVD in May and new Album in September.
Quote from: Kotowboy on January 30, 2013, 05:32:02 AM
Quote from: Kotowboy on January 29, 2013, 05:19:19 AM
No band would release an album with a DVD promoting the previous album. The DVD will have to come out several months BEFORE the new album. It just makes sense.
I reckon DVD in May and new Album in September.
Porcupine Tree did that with Anesthetize, I think. The Incident was already out, and they released their live Blu-ray supporting Fear of a Blank Planet.
They'd have to be enough time between the releases to make sense.
EIther 4 months before or after - but no way will they release it together.
If the trailer is done already, then it's very likely that the DVD will come out months before the new album. And they will definitely be released separately, I mean, RR have to cash in on DT as much as possible and 2 separate releases=more money!
But now the pessimist in me has another concern: what if the new album will be delayed to make the gap between the releases bigger? It's not likely, but you never know...
Quote from: ? on January 30, 2013, 07:54:09 AM
But now the pessimist in me has another concern: what if the new album will be delayed to make the gap between the releases bigger? It's not likely, but you never know...
Unlikely. They already stated that they intend to tour Europe during the festival season this Summer and would be unwise to delay the album and the tour in its support much after the end of the Summer tour. The momentum built by such a tour (festival crowds!) would just deflate if they waited too much to start the actual album promotion.
I think we'll end up seeing the same schedule that ADTOE had except we might get DT12 a bit sooner since Mangini is already in the studio and he wouldn't have to spend time outside the studio learning the songs and putting drums to them. I doubt this will make much of an impact, though. Maybe a week or two difference, if that.
I guess it is reasonable to expect the DVD in May-June, it would be a nice way to give us a DT product before the summer tour in order to refresh interest in the band, but also not too close to the album release so that it could lose sales.
Just release a freaking trailer already, it's done and we need to see it!
Quote from: ResultsMayVary on January 30, 2013, 08:17:10 AM
I think we'll end up seeing the same schedule that ADTOE had except we might get DT12 a bit sooner since Mangini is already in the studio and he wouldn't have to spend time outside the studio learning the songs and putting drums to them. I doubt this will make much of an impact, though. Maybe a week or two difference, if that.
Keep in mind that with ADTOE he recorded the drums after the rest of the band, whereas in this case they'd be recording it the typical order of drums first.
Quote from: wasteland on January 30, 2013, 08:14:12 AM
Quote from: ? on January 30, 2013, 07:54:09 AM
But now the pessimist in me has another concern: what if the new album will be delayed to make the gap between the releases bigger? It's not likely, but you never know...
Unlikely. They already stated that they intend to tour Europe during the festival season this Summer and would be unwise to delay the album and the tour in its support much after the end of the Summer tour. The momentum built by such a tour (festival crowds!) would just deflate if they waited too much to start the actual album promotion.
I know, I'm just always expecting the worst - pessimism is my nature! :lol Oh, this gave me an idea for a new custom title...
Quote from: BlobVanDam on January 30, 2013, 08:20:07 AM
Quote from: ResultsMayVary on January 30, 2013, 08:17:10 AM
I think we'll end up seeing the same schedule that ADTOE had except we might get DT12 a bit sooner since Mangini is already in the studio and he wouldn't have to spend time outside the studio learning the songs and putting drums to them. I doubt this will make much of an impact, though. Maybe a week or two difference, if that.
Keep in mind that with ADTOE he recorded the drums after the rest of the band, whereas in this case they'd be recording it the typical order of drums first.
I understand. My point was since he is in the studio this time around, he'll be writing his drum parts while the other guys write their parts instead of the band writing (and JP taking time to program drums while he's writing) and then the main drum writing coming after that. That definitely has to save some amount of time, although its probably rather small and won't really affect the album release time table in a major way.
Quote from: ResultsMayVary on January 30, 2013, 08:24:52 AM
Quote from: BlobVanDam on January 30, 2013, 08:20:07 AM
Quote from: ResultsMayVary on January 30, 2013, 08:17:10 AM
I think we'll end up seeing the same schedule that ADTOE had except we might get DT12 a bit sooner since Mangini is already in the studio and he wouldn't have to spend time outside the studio learning the songs and putting drums to them. I doubt this will make much of an impact, though. Maybe a week or two difference, if that.
Keep in mind that with ADTOE he recorded the drums after the rest of the band, whereas in this case they'd be recording it the typical order of drums first.
I understand. My point was since he is in the studio this time around, he'll be writing his drum parts while the other guys write their parts instead of the band writing (and JP taking time to program drums while he's writing) and then the main drum writing coming after that. That definitely has to save some amount of time, although its probably rather small and won't really affect the album release time table in a major way.
Ah gotcha. While I'm sure it takes time to program drums for songs that complex, I doubt it made a huge difference to the recording time. I don't know what their exact schedule was, but with different band members recording at different times, it may not have added anything at all to the recording time.
I wonder how JP lays down drum lines/tracks. When I used to do it, I'd use a keyboard with patches sometimes, and a drag and drop tool other times.
When I write drum parts in Logic - it's literally one "hit" at a time.
Quote from: Kotowboy on January 30, 2013, 01:30:40 PM
When I write drum parts in Logic - it's literally one "hit" at a time.
This. It can take a lot of time, especially if you're trying to do something complex. There's also trial and error with what you're programming. Not everything will work out right the first time.
I can't imagine *writing* like that...
Oh thats a cool riff. lets jam on that for ten minutes. Okay stop - now I gotta write out the drums for that riff.. Ok go again.
Oh wait - what was that cool thing you just played ? Let me write out the drum parts for that...
Ten minutes later - ok lets jam those two back to back...
twenty minutes later.. Ok i got this new idea...lemme write it out in logic....twenty minutes later....Ok Go...
That seems really slow and inefficient to me !!!
Which is why I think the album may be recorded quicker this time around than ADTOE because the drums will be writing as they go.
Quote from: Kotowboy on January 30, 2013, 02:09:07 PM
I can't imagine *writing* like that...
Oh thats a cool riff. lets jam on that for ten minutes. Okay stop - now I gotta write out the drums for that riff.. Ok go again.
Oh wait - what was that cool thing you just played ? Let me write out the drum parts for that...
Ten minutes later - ok lets jam those two back to back...
twenty minutes later.. Ok i got this new idea...lemme write it out in logic....twenty minutes later....Ok Go...
That seems really slow and inefficient to me !!!
Which is why I think the album may be recorded quicker this time around than ADTOE because the drums will be writing as they go.
Just an assumption (unless I missed something), but I think they would have written all of the music for a particular song before they put any kind of drum track together for it.
I still cant imagine writing without drums there.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on January 30, 2013, 08:20:07 AM
Quote from: ResultsMayVary on January 30, 2013, 08:17:10 AM
I think we'll end up seeing the same schedule that ADTOE had except we might get DT12 a bit sooner since Mangini is already in the studio and he wouldn't have to spend time outside the studio learning the songs and putting drums to them. I doubt this will make much of an impact, though. Maybe a week or two difference, if that.
Keep in mind that with ADTOE he recorded the drums after the rest of the band, whereas in this case they'd be recording it the typical order of drums first.
i thought i read/heard somewhere that MM recorded his parts to the demo tracks and then the band re-recorded their parts to his. hm...
Quote from: Kotowboy on January 31, 2013, 05:14:23 AM
I still cant imagine writing without drums there.
Perhaps, but Rush is a band that does it with all their albums. Not sure how they manage or if Alex has gotten completely adept at programming drums, but it is possible. Nonetheless, I agree that it makes sense that they would be able to proceed with the writing much more quickly with MM in the studio than without him.
Well having had the news that a certain hyped game concerning Great Stolen Automobiles has been pushed back half a year, I am getting annoyed about the lack of info between that company and OTE (and now RR). It is just unbelievable that there is such a lack of updates for this DVD and Blu Ray that so many people are chomping at the bit for. I dont understand that if the trailer is ready, why it hasnt been released. I am failing to grasp at the point of not letting people know as soon as possible the information surrounding the product, unless of course the band and label themselves dont really know in which case album 12 will be on the way and the focus will surely be on that instead. And then for a guy from Over the Edge to say "should be before August" is so vague yet quite random (why August?) I dunno, I'm sorry for the rant and all (and the big block of text - using Kindle Fire and not sure how to drop a line) but this lack of communication and information is just plain annoying.
Jinx, the trailer is supposed to be coming out later this week. Well, it's lunchtime, Thursday. There's really no reason to be in full panic/annoyance mode. And I'm sure that the trailer will include a release date, as trailers usually do. Summer '13 sounds realistic as the show was only in July, but if the trailer is really coming out tomorrow then I'd hope for something a bit sooner. Regardless, I don't care however long we have to wait, as long as they get it right. The last 3 DT DVDs have been marred one way or the other. Here's to hoping they get it perfect with this one.
Which do you think was the marring element of Score? Weak setlist?
Quote from: wasteland on January 31, 2013, 09:41:24 AM
Which do you think was the marring element of Score? Weak setlist?
That, but there were some serious quality control issues with discs not working properly too in the first batch, if I remember correctly. Same with Budokan.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on January 31, 2013, 09:57:26 AM
Quote from: wasteland on January 31, 2013, 09:41:24 AM
Which do you think was the marring element of Score? Weak setlist?
That, but there were some serious quality control issues with discs not working properly too in the first batch, if I remember correctly. Same with Budokan.
:sadpanda: I've never watched my Score DVDs.. (Just own them because I'm a completest).... I guess I need to see if they work!..
Score is good enough for just having the definitive versions of Another Won, Raise The Knife, and the version of Metropolis which the orchestra is amazing, what with the added symphonic parts. But I enjoy the whole album, so maybe I'm biased.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on January 31, 2013, 09:57:26 AM
Quote from: wasteland on January 31, 2013, 09:41:24 AM
Which do you think was the marring element of Score? Weak setlist?
That, but there were some serious quality control issues with discs not working properly too in the first batch, if I remember correctly. Same with Budokan.
I've never heard of that with Score. Budokan, yes. But a technical issue with the manufacturer, while unfortunate and annoying, isn't really the band's fault or a problem with the quality of the DVD itself. I get people's reaction toward CiM. But Score and Budokan were great products. People may not have liked them based on personal taste and preference, but they were still great products.
I hope we see a nice balance of LAB and Score production. LAB had what appeared to be a very coordinated and well laid out camera crew for very specific parts of the concert. Some of the angles were too good to have just been by chance (maybe they were and I'm just talking out my ass). Score on the other hand had really awesome panning and camera movement across the stage, which I really loved. In LAB, I feel like the screens behind the stage were captured a lot more frequently. I thought that element was really cool. It definitely enhanced the live concert experience. Then again, if memory serves me right, they had to pull the screens up at the Score show to make room for the orchestra. I'm really confident in this release though. In a way, this is might be DT's most important release to date. It's been 6 years (I don't count CIM) since we got an official release, as well as their first release with MM. I know a lot of people who bailed on DT when MP left, hopefully this release can convince a few to come back.
Chino, you're right about the LaB angles. That film crew did a great job. I love how in many of the shots, they always seem to capture a secondary member in the shot.
Expect an announcement about the trailer....
Soon!
Quote from: Weymolith on January 31, 2013, 06:14:03 PM
Expect an announcement about the trailer....
Soon!
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I love announcements for an upcoming announcement.
Soon.
Quote from: Weymolith on January 31, 2013, 06:14:03 PM
Expect an announcement about the trailer....
Soon!
April, then :laugh:
*snip*
*snip*
Quote from: wasteland on February 01, 2013, 12:57:46 AM
TRAILEERRR!!!!
*snip*
Don't do that. It was obviously leaked and not official. The official release will be SOON, as Wey said. Be patient, guys. It's coming. :)
In the mean time, NO POSTING LINKS TO ANYTHING THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE LEAKED. ;)
:sadpanda:
Is it just me or does it look way too bright and colourful like they're playing with the house lights on?
It looks like X Factor :/
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Oh shit - you're right. I Can Barely See The Stage
Quote from: bosk1 on February 01, 2013, 07:42:26 AM
In the mean time, NO POSTING LINKS TO ANYTHING THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE LEAKED. ;)
my pee leaked
Aw damn, awesome two pages of the thread nuked.
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Content Panda?
Guy getting slapped=Us reacting to trailer
Bosk=Jeremy Piven slapping us
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:lol
Unlike Jeremy Piven, at least I'll give you a hug afterward.
Quote from: bosk1 on February 01, 2013, 08:02:01 AM
Unlike Jeremy Piven, at least I'll give you a hug afterward.
Watch your hands.. keep them above the waist!
Sorry if I missed this, but anyone know the expected release date of the Live concert?
Quote from: faizoff on February 01, 2013, 08:02:51 AM
Sorry if I missed this, but anyone know the expected release date of the Live concert?
"Soon"
Quote from: Mindflux on February 01, 2013, 08:03:47 AM
Quote from: faizoff on February 01, 2013, 08:02:51 AM
Sorry if I missed this, but anyone know the expected release date of the Live concert?
"Soon"
Alrighty then.
It said it'd be out in May.
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Quote from: cyberdrummer on February 01, 2013, 08:05:54 AM
It said it'd be out in May.
That is one hell of a wait. Why release the trailer now and aim for a May release. Oh well, just shut up and take my money already.
Quote from: cyberdrummer on February 01, 2013, 08:05:54 AM
It said it'd be out in May.
It did? The end said "Coming soon"..
Quote from: faizoff on February 01, 2013, 08:10:31 AM
Quote from: cyberdrummer on February 01, 2013, 08:05:54 AM
It said it'd be out in May.
That is one hell of a wait. Why release the trailer now and aim for a May release. Oh well, just shut up and take my money already.
That happens all the time. I was actually surprised by the May release. I felt like it was early. Rockstar released a GTAV trailer in November of 2012, it's not coming out until September 17, 2103.
Quote from: faizoff on February 01, 2013, 08:10:31 AM
Quote from: cyberdrummer on February 01, 2013, 08:05:54 AM
It said it'd be out in May.
That is one hell of a wait. Why release the trailer now and aim for a May release. Oh well, just shut up and take my money already.
It's February now, 3 months (if May is an accurate release month) is merely 3 months away. That'll fly by.
Quote from: Chino on February 01, 2013, 08:14:03 AM
That happens all the time. I was actually surprised by the May release. I felt like it was early. Rockstar released a GTAV trailer in November of 2012, it's not coming out until September 17, 2103.
I'm assuming GTA got pushed back due to game crippling bugs.. unless production falls apart on the DT's DVD I don't see how it can change _TOO MUCH_ unless something happens during manufacturing.
Actually GTA will be pushed back again to fit the launch of the next-gen console, well i don't care as much as the DT DVD!!
Quote from: Chino on February 01, 2013, 08:14:03 AM
Quote from: faizoff on February 01, 2013, 08:10:31 AM
Quote from: cyberdrummer on February 01, 2013, 08:05:54 AM
It said it'd be out in May.
That is one hell of a wait. Why release the trailer now and aim for a May release. Oh well, just shut up and take my money already.
That happens all the time. I was actually surprised by the May release. I felt like it was early. Rockstar released a GTAV trailer in November of 2012, it's not coming out until September 17, 2103.
daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn
That's a hell of a wait, Chino.
With our luck, that description will change to July once it's officially released :rollin
Quote from: darkshade on February 01, 2013, 08:21:56 AM
Quote from: Chino on February 01, 2013, 08:14:03 AM
Quote from: faizoff on February 01, 2013, 08:10:31 AM
Quote from: cyberdrummer on February 01, 2013, 08:05:54 AM
It said it'd be out in May.
That is one hell of a wait. Why release the trailer now and aim for a May release. Oh well, just shut up and take my money already.
That happens all the time. I was actually surprised by the May release. I felt like it was early. Rockstar released a GTAV trailer in November of 2012, it's not coming out until September 17, 2103.
daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn
:lol :lol :lol :lol
I just saw on the description that it says will be out in May 2013
so can we talk about the info from the trailer even though it hasnt been officially released? just checking..
Quote from: countoftuscany42 on February 01, 2013, 11:18:44 AM
so can we talk about the info from the trailer even though it hasnt been officially released? just checking..
Oh totally. I love the part where JLB brings out a HUGE bowl of queso and just shovels some of it into his mouth with his hands and screams "I LOVE QUESO, BUENOS AIRES!". That was epic.
Is it reasonable to expect a song clip after a while?
If i recall correctly they released "Forsaken" for the CiM, but i don't remember if this was before the release or after.
I'm really anxious to listen to the sound, i hope it is good sounding and powerful.
Quote from: countoftuscany42 on February 01, 2013, 11:18:44 AM
so can we talk about the info from the trailer even though it hasnt been officially released? just checking..
No
Wait... it hasn't been officially released? I am so confused
What do you mean it hasn't been officially released? That's the Youtube channel of the company producing the DVD, right?
Quote from: RoeDent on February 01, 2013, 11:32:41 AM
What do you mean it hasn't been officially released? That's the Youtube channel of the company producing the DVD, right?
They pulled the video.
Quote from: JayOctavarium on February 01, 2013, 11:28:02 AM
Wait... it hasn't been officially released? I am so confused
No. As I said, it was leaked. It is not officially released yet. So do not post links or hints to links, and do not discuss if you happen to have seen it elsewhere.
Quote from: Mindflux on February 01, 2013, 11:20:11 AM
Quote from: countoftuscany42 on February 01, 2013, 11:18:44 AM
so can we talk about the info from the trailer even though it hasnt been officially released? just checking..
Oh totally. I love the part where JLB brings out a HUGE bowl of queso and just shovels some of it into his mouth with his hands and screams "I LOVE QUESO, BUENOS AIRES!". That was epic.
i loved the deleted scene of Mangini playing guitar and Petrucci on the drums :lol Such a shame that won't be in the final edit.
Damn. That is... disappointing.
I liked the part where James said "Hey"
I actually haven't seen it, but it probably will end up being said somewhere on the blu-ray.
:neverusethis:
Quote from: Cedar redaC on February 01, 2013, 11:49:42 AM
I liked the part where James said "Hey"
I actually haven't seen it, but it probably will end up being said somewhere on the blu-ray.
:neverusethis:
I much prefer the part where John Myung said .....
I really enjoyed the bit where Mike Portnoy and Mike Mangini did a drum duel and then they had a QA on TOOOOONES
Oh, two great pages removed... Sad. Anyway, I loved the testimony from the alien Charlie turned on DT...
well DT has posted it on Facebook now, are we good?
Yes.
Then please get those deleted two pages back. It was fun to read. :neverusethis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gABECAxp58w
I was secretly hoping for a March release date. May is too far off. and oh btw, HEY WEY!!
I wonder when the preorder will be available....at least on amazon...
Hey Wey :tup
Sweet fancy Moses! This looks incredible.
next thing i wanna see is the packaging! ;D
so since it is announced as a 3cd set, are we assuming were getting all songs from both nights minus repeats? cause if so then :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
I think you're right :D Go for the 3 hours!
Good God this is going to be amazing!
OH MY GOD
The smile just wouldn't go off my face!
I wonder what MP thinks of the trailer? Cause it looks like a bad ass fucking concert.
I love the way the lights reflect on MM's kit.
I'm all giddy like a school girl.
AH!
Over the Edge Productions answered at my question about the audio:
Thanks guys!! Yes, this is the album audio bc when we cut the trailer, the final mix on the audio wasn't done yet but we've since gotten the audio and it sounds INCREDIBLE!!
:metal :metal
SO.MUCH.EXCITEMENT!!!!!!
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What song is played in d-minor?
So then I'm guessing the tracklist will look something like:
Bridges In The Sky
These Walls
6:00
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
The Dark Eternal Night
This Is The Life
Caught In A Web
The Root Of All Evil
Lost Not Forgotten
Drum Solo
A Fortune In Lies
The Silent Man
Beneath The Surface
Wait For Sleep
Far From Heaven
Outcry
Surrounded
On The Backs Of Angels
War Inside My Head
The Test That Stumped Them All
The Spirit Carries On
Breaking All Illusions
Pull Me Under
Metropolis
That is both nights without repeats.....hope it looks something like that
That's one hell of a tracklist. Please let it be the case.
I haven't been this excited since... well... seeing DT on the first leg of the tour!!
Well, I hope it comes out in early May. I'm heading off to 6 weeks fieldwork in Spain for my study around the 13th, so I'd really love being able to watch the DVD before that as I probably won't have a tv or a computer there...
I hope they don't cut the Psycho theme. I really enjoyed it as an opener, but then again they might run into legal problems with that...
"There's no fun allowed"
I'm experiencing a slight case of déjà vu.
Quote from: Scorpion on February 01, 2013, 01:56:43 PM
I hope they don't cut the Psycho theme. I really enjoyed it as an opener, but then again they might run into legal problems with that...
Inception you mean? ::)
Oooh. I forgot about Dream Is Collapsing. Hope that's on there.
Quote from: wasteland on February 01, 2013, 02:04:36 PM
Quote from: Scorpion on February 01, 2013, 01:56:43 PM
I hope they don't cut the Psycho theme. I really enjoyed it as an opener, but then again they might run into legal problems with that...
Inception you mean? ::)
Yeah, I meant Dream Is Collapsing. :lolpalm:
Quote from: Scorpion on February 01, 2013, 02:07:55 PM
Quote from: wasteland on February 01, 2013, 02:04:36 PM
Quote from: Scorpion on February 01, 2013, 01:56:43 PM
I hope they don't cut the Psycho theme. I really enjoyed it as an opener, but then again they might run into legal problems with that...
Inception you mean? ::)
Yeah, I meant Dream Is Collapsing. :lolpalm:
It would be no less than epic!
DVD and new album in the same year? I feel spoiled!
Is that a prog DVD preview or a teaser for the upcoming season of Project Runway?
"it all comes down to this" (cymbal flourish)
"find out what happens when the bass player can't find his Starbucks" (record scratch. quick cuts to concerned looks on other members faces)
ANd new LaBrie !
Quote from: ronrule on February 01, 2013, 02:40:45 PM
Is that a prog DVD preview or a teaser for the upcoming season of Project Runway?
"it all comes down to this" (cymbal flourish)
"find out what happens when the bass player can't find his Starbucks" (record scratch. quick cuts to concerned looks on other members faces)
It's a promotional teaser. It's meant to promote the DVD and stir the wish to buy a product in the target audience. And they got it exceptionally right, judging on the reactions. Did you expect anything different?
Quote from: wasteland on February 01, 2013, 02:43:32 PM
It's a promotional teaser. It's meant to promote the DVD and stir the wish to buy a product in the target audience. And they got it exceptionally right, judging on the reactions. Did you expect anything different?
Given OTE's aesthetic choices on the "documentary", not really. Though a fan can hope.
Well, now let me rephrase my question: what were you hoping for? :)
Quote from: Kotowboy on February 01, 2013, 07:44:01 AM
Is it just me or does it look way too bright and colourful like they're playing with the house lights on?
It looks like X Factor :/
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Sounds like we're already complaining before it's out. I'm sure the band loves to hear stuff like that. The next guy will say his porridge is too cold.
Oh shit - you're right. I Can Barely See The Stage
I was hoping for something that lacked the reality tv aesthetics, for example:
cornball voice over
cymbal flourishes
manufactured drama e.g. "it all comes down this"
people crying (everybody knows there are no girls at DT shows. I want more HD video of us overweight IT guys with our goatees!)
I just hope on the full DVD somebody says "hey, I'm not here to make friends".
I think most of that stuff was generated for the trailer. I highly doubt any of that will be on the performance disk. The documentary? Probably similar to the drummer doc.
it wouldn't be DTF without people complaining about something the second it's released
Quote from: Fiery Winds on February 01, 2013, 03:13:36 PM
I think most of that stuff was generated for the trailer. I highly doubt any of that will be on the performance disk.
That would be great. I certainly hope so.
Quote from: Fiery Winds on February 01, 2013, 03:13:36 PMThe documentary? Probably similar to the drummer doc.
Yeah, I had the same complaints about the drummer doc. It made reality-tv-style editing, music, and structure choices. I think it was mentioned they tried to pitch it to VH1 at the time? It shows. Just annoying to me that's all. I still love the "raw materials" = seeing DT in their element and I'm excited for that aspect.
I'm not complaining - i'm just *observing* that it looks unusually bright and colourful for a Live DVD.
:)
Um guys you know how I get overexcited over basically everything? I just can't describe how excited I am over this. ALL OF MY YES. I'm afraid I am going to accidentally break the DVD when I get to hold it. Like that much. Sweet Jesus.
Yeah I don't even have a BR player but i'm gonna get the BluRay just so I can watch it at my Bro's house :)
Quote from: chrisbDTM on February 01, 2013, 03:17:23 PM
it wouldn't be DTF without people complaining about something the second it's released
Maybe if a bunch of said, "hey we're excited for this concert DVD and while the performance looks incredible, we're concerned that the presentation, like aspects of the drummer tryouts video, look more like reality TV than serious prog concert and intelligent documentary filmaking" that could even effect the outcome?
Quote from: ronrule on February 01, 2013, 03:18:05 PM
Quote from: Fiery Winds on February 01, 2013, 03:13:36 PM
I think most of that stuff was generated for the trailer. I highly doubt any of that will be on the performance disk.
That would be great. I certainly hope so.
Quote from: Fiery Winds on February 01, 2013, 03:13:36 PMThe documentary? Probably similar to the drummer doc.
Yeah, I had the same complaints about the drummer doc. It made reality-tv-style editing, music, and structure choices. I think it was mentioned they tried to pitch it to VH1 at the time? It shows. Just annoying to me that's all. I still love the "raw materials" = seeing DT in their element and I'm excited for that aspect.
Ah, I forgot about the VH1 bit. That probably influenced the editing a bit more. Plus, when you have a "competition" it makes sense for there to be some drama. If this is straight backstage, behind the scenes, and sight-seeing, I doubt it'll be as dramatic as the drummer doc.
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on February 01, 2013, 03:21:04 PM
Um guys you know how I get overexcited over basically everything?
No way.......
:neverusethis:
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Quote from: Fiery Winds on February 01, 2013, 03:13:36 PM
I think most of that stuff was generated for the trailer. I highly doubt any of that will be on the performance disk. The documentary? Probably similar to the drummer doc.
I was gonna say I hope the real show has less of the sweeping shots. Because I wanna watch the band mainly, not feel as though I'm on a simulator..
Quote from: Jinx on February 01, 2013, 03:38:43 PMI was gonna say I hope the real show has less of the sweeping shots. Because I wanna watch the band mainly, not feel as though I'm on a simulator..
BUT WHAT IF IT SIMULATES AWESOMENESS?!
Anyone else notice the fan with the DT tattoo with all five band member faces at the 9-second mark? Wow.
JP: "Between the hi-def and 3D video, the huge audio mix and the documentary style behind the scenes footage, you are truly transported to the arena and completely immersed in the entire live experience." --> Interesting...
3D Video should be cool for me with a 3D TV :)
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Quote from: Chino on February 01, 2013, 01:58:06 PM
"There's no fun allowed"
He's just so precious.
That scene is so going to become a meme up here :lol
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SAY WHAT
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on February 01, 2013, 03:47:22 PM
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SAY WHAT
SCREW YOU PEOPLE, I'M A LIGHTHOUSE.
No fun allowed is an old meme. But it's a good one. CANNOT WAIT!!!
For those who dont Like OTE on Facebook:
"Thanks guys! We're super proud of this one. We'll see what we can do about getting you some sample clips and maybe replacing the audio with the live counterparts. ALSO: we plan on releasing a very special bonus feature exclusively on our Facebook page in the next couple of weeks ;)"
You ninja'd me!
Can I flash forward in time please please please please.
Why are they always teasing us? They must be looming about here and basking in our compulsive anticipation. :rollin
Quote from: Jinx on February 01, 2013, 04:15:23 PM
For those who dont Like OTE on Facebook:
"Thanks guys! We're super proud of this one. We'll see what we can do about getting you some sample clips and maybe replacing the audio with the live counterparts. ALSO: we plan on releasing a very special bonus feature exclusively on our Facebook page in the next couple of weeks ;)"
Especially special?!!?
Just watched the trailer six more times with my 2 year old. She is apparently as excited as I am.
Quote from: YouMakeMeSick on February 01, 2013, 03:41:31 PM
JP: "Between the hi-def and 3D video, the huge audio mix and the documentary style behind the scenes footage, you are truly transported to the arena and completely immersed in the entire live experience." --> Interesting...
Oh shit, can someone confirm this was actually said? Super excited if a 3d bluray comes out!!!
Quote from: Shadow2222 on February 01, 2013, 07:46:07 PM
Oh shit, can someone confirm this was actually said? Super excited if a 3d bluray comes out!!!
I hope it's a mistake. 1) I haven't bought into the 3D Hype. 2) When I've tried 3D at friends/store it's never done 'anything' for me.. 3) 3D is a fad, it'll go away. etc etc etc.
Quote from: Jinx on February 01, 2013, 04:15:23 PM
For those who dont Like OTE on Facebook:
"Thanks guys! We're super proud of this one. We'll see what we can do about getting you some sample clips and maybe replacing the audio with the live counterparts. ALSO: we plan on releasing a very special bonus feature exclusively on our Facebook page in the next couple of weeks ;)"
While they're at it, can I tell them to fix the wonky-ass DT font and Copperplate Gothic? :getoffmylawn:
Video looks very promising, but I'm interested to hear the audio. Budokan is still the benchmark of audio/video quality for DT, and this seems like it may rival it.
Quote from: Mindflux on February 01, 2013, 07:50:44 PM
Quote from: Shadow2222 on February 01, 2013, 07:46:07 PM
Oh shit, can someone confirm this was actually said? Super excited if a 3d bluray comes out!!!
I hope it's a mistake. 1) I haven't bought into the 3D Hype. 2) When I've tried 3D at friends/store it's never done 'anything' for me.. 3) 3D is a fad, it'll go away. etc etc etc.
You do realize its just an option right? That's like saying, "I hope there isn't a DVD version because standard definition is awful."
Quote from: Shadow2222 on February 01, 2013, 08:10:11 PM
Quote from: Mindflux on February 01, 2013, 07:50:44 PM
Quote from: Shadow2222 on February 01, 2013, 07:46:07 PM
Oh shit, can someone confirm this was actually said? Super excited if a 3d bluray comes out!!!
I hope it's a mistake. 1) I haven't bought into the 3D Hype. 2) When I've tried 3D at friends/store it's never done 'anything' for me.. 3) 3D is a fad, it'll go away. etc etc etc.
You do realize its just an option right? That's like saying, "I hope there isn't a DVD version because standard definition is awful."
I still hope it's not. I'm going to buy the 'super deluxe' edition that Roadrunner offers, and I'd prefer it to be less expensive because the lack of a 3-D edition of the show. Also your example makes no sense. Why would I not want the DVD if the standard def is awful? Supposedly 3-D bluray is the pinnacle of our technology right now (aside from 4K). Backwards analogy is backwards. I don't want it because it's a fad, not because it's 'superior'.
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Quote from: Shadow2222 on February 01, 2013, 08:10:11 PM
Quote from: Mindflux on February 01, 2013, 07:50:44 PM
Quote from: Shadow2222 on February 01, 2013, 07:46:07 PM
Oh shit, can someone confirm this was actually said? Super excited if a 3d bluray comes out!!!
I hope it's a mistake. 1) I haven't bought into the 3D Hype. 2) When I've tried 3D at friends/store it's never done 'anything' for me.. 3) 3D is a fad, it'll go away. etc etc etc.
You do realize its just an option right? That's like saying, "I hope there isn't a DVD version because standard definition is awful."
I still hope it's not. I'm going to buy the 'super deluxe' edition that Roadrunner offers, and I'd prefer it to be less expensive because the lack of a 3-D edition of the show.
your argument still makes no sense
Quote from: chrisbDTM on February 01, 2013, 08:18:18 PM
your argument still makes no sense
Makes perfect sense. Don't want it because it'll make a package more expensive, need special hardware to view it (if one wanted to view it), etc etc.
Quote from: Shadow2222 on February 01, 2013, 07:46:07 PM
Quote from: YouMakeMeSick on February 01, 2013, 03:41:31 PM
JP: "Between the hi-def and 3D video, the huge audio mix and the documentary style behind the scenes footage, you are truly transported to the arena and completely immersed in the entire live experience." --> Interesting...
Oh shit, can someone confirm this was actually said? Super excited if a 3d bluray comes out!!!
It's right there in the youtube description.
^ Yep just saw it. I shot them an email to confirm it, because this is really exciting if true.
Quote from: Mindflux on February 01, 2013, 08:20:22 PM
Quote from: chrisbDTM on February 01, 2013, 08:18:18 PM
your argument still makes no sense
Makes perfect sense. Don't want it because it'll make a package more expensive, need special hardware to view it (if one wanted to view it), etc etc.
you already made up your mind that you are buying the most expensive package (before any packages were announced) and you want to deny people an option just that YOU don't have to pay more. riiight
Quote from: wasteland on February 01, 2013, 01:26:26 PM
I think you're right :D Go for the 3 hours!
Most likely. I had compiled a 3-CD set list somewhere in this (or another thread) that compiles all the songs from both sets. I wonder if they'll keep them in set-list order, or if we'll get a complete disc of "ADTOE Live" with all 9 songs in album order (despite not having been played that way).
I can only assume it's all the songs since 2 CDs would've been a maximum of 160 minutes, and there's more music than that, so I think we'll definitely get both nights on 3 CDs (minus repeats).
-Marc.
Quote from: chrisbDTM on February 01, 2013, 08:56:38 PM
you already made up your mind that you are buying the most expensive package (before any packages were announced) and you want to deny people an option just that YOU don't have to pay more. riiight
No, I said I hope it's not an option due to no desire/no hardware to do it/gimmick. Like I have any control over what they release. :loser:
I have a confirmation the Mativision content films 360 degrees, not true 3D that requires specific hardware to view.
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on February 01, 2013, 03:47:22 PM
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Quote from: Weymolith on February 01, 2013, 10:51:34 PM
I have a confirmation the Mativision content films 360 degrees, not true 3D that requires specific hardware to view.
360 degrees of inner performance?!?!? Nice!!!!
B.Lee
Over the Edge Productions It comes out in May and no, it's not 3D. What JP was referring to are the 5 cameras on stage that film 360 degrees. There will be an app released where you can switch between cameras while watching and control, live, which direction you're looking. Gonna be sick!
is getting better with every news!!
Quote from: Dreamer81 on February 02, 2013, 12:49:52 AM
Over the Edge Productions It comes out in May and no, it's not 3D. What JP was referring to are the 5 cameras on stage that film 360 degrees. There will be an app released where you can switch between cameras while watching and control, live, which direction you're looking. Gonna be sick!
is getting better with every news!!
I can't even fathom this technology.
Quote from: Dreamer81 on February 02, 2013, 12:49:52 AM
Over the Edge Productions It comes out in May and no, it's not 3D. What JP was referring to are the 5 cameras on stage that film 360 degrees. There will be an app released where you can switch between cameras while watching and control, live, which direction you're looking. Gonna be sick!
is getting better with every news!!
E' una tua intuizione o sono informazioni che hai attinto da una sorgente affidabile?
//
Are those info from a reliable source?
Quote from: GasparXR on February 02, 2013, 12:57:47 AM
Quote from: Dreamer81 on February 02, 2013, 12:49:52 AM
Over the Edge Productions It comes out in May and no, it's not 3D. What JP was referring to are the 5 cameras on stage that film 360 degrees. There will be an app released where you can switch between cameras while watching and control, live, which direction you're looking. Gonna be sick!
is getting better with every news!!
I can't even fathom this technology.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QWAu8-s1JqM#t=160s
An early (7-8 years ago) example of using 360° cameras.... at 2:44 it seems as if you can spin around Lemmy. Again, this has been filmed and released almost a decade ago so I think now there will be more effects available than just spinning....
I must be honest, that was not really aesthetically pleasing.
Quote from: wasteland on February 02, 2013, 01:01:56 AM
Quote from: Dreamer81 on February 02, 2013, 12:49:52 AM
Over the Edge Productions It comes out in May and no, it's not 3D. What JP was referring to are the 5 cameras on stage that film 360 degrees. There will be an app released where you can switch between cameras while watching and control, live, which direction you're looking. Gonna be sick!
is getting better with every news!!
E' una tua intuizione o sono informazioni che hai attinto da una sorgente affidabile?
//
Are those info from a reliable source?
From OTEP FB page, so i guess is a reliable source :D
Eh, disappointed about no 3D (seriously, it is a great technology when used right).
This sounds cool though :tup
Wondering if they'll still release something from the night in Colombia as they commented previously on their website. It would be amazing.
That Mativision stuff looks kinda cool actually, I'll probably spend most of my time around manginis drum kit though ;D
https://youtu.be/MDxM2ofTUIM
Over the Edge Productions It comes out in May and no, it's not 3D. What JP was referring to are the 5 cameras on stage that film 360 degrees. There will be an app released where you can switch between cameras while watching and control, live, which direction you're looking. Gonna be sick!
The only thing for me that sucks is that while I have on of the best Blu-ray players you can get for my use with my big screen, I don't have a Blu-ray on my computer so I'm guessing I can't take advantage of all the 360 stuff... I think. But, I'm really glad they put it in there for guys that can take advantage of it. Those DT guys are out to kill it with this one. I can't wait.
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on February 02, 2013, 06:51:04 AM
Over the Edge Productions It comes out in May and no, it's not 3D. What JP was referring to are the 5 cameras on stage that film 360 degrees. There will be an app released where you can switch between cameras while watching and control, live, which direction you're looking. Gonna be sick!
Quote from: MajorMatt on February 02, 2013, 06:47:08 AM
That Mativision stuff looks kinda cool actually, I'll probably spend most of my time around manginis drum kit though ;D
https://youtu.be/MDxM2ofTUIM
And there goes another pair of pants.
OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG
Looks pointless to me. Also looked like the picture quality was compromised. :/
Quote from: Jinx on February 02, 2013, 07:17:32 AM
Looks pointless to me.
Why, exactly? Doesn't get better than that when coming to live concert DVDs, IMO. Muse did it and it was amazing.
Quote from: Jinx on February 02, 2013, 07:17:32 AM
Also looked like the picture quality was compromised. :/
:facepalm: You know it's a youtube trailer, right? And the clips used there are youtube quality, and it's probably gonna look better than Score because you know, video cameras probably have come a long way since 6 years ago. The thing's gonna be released in HD Blu-Ray. Yours really appears like a comment coming out of nowhere, I'm sorry.
Commenting on the quality of the youtube video trailer is pointless, but its going to be light years ahead of that quality, especially on the HD Blu Ray platform.
interesting concept. i like it, but i hope its only an option and that you can still watch the concert as filmed, not just in the 360 image.
Quote from: countoftuscany42 on February 02, 2013, 08:36:03 AM
interesting concept. i like it, but i hope its only an option and that you can still watch the concert as filmed, not just in the 360 image.
I expect it would be a bonus, probably on the second disc just like the Budokan multi-angle Instrumedley.
Quote from: MajorMatt on February 02, 2013, 06:47:08 AM
That Mativision stuff looks kinda cool actually, I'll probably spend most of my time around manginis drum kit though ;D
https://youtu.be/MDxM2ofTUIM
OK that was freakin awesome, i may have to change pants again! Now it got even more exciting! :hefdaddy
Quote from: MajorMatt on February 02, 2013, 06:47:08 AM
That Mativision stuff looks kinda cool actually, I'll probably spend most of my time around manginis drum kit though ;D
https://youtu.be/MDxM2ofTUIM
Wow thats cool. Well except for the Muse....
Quote from: TAC on February 02, 2013, 08:47:49 AM
Quote from: MajorMatt on February 02, 2013, 06:47:08 AM
That Mativision stuff looks kinda cool actually, I'll probably spend most of my time around manginis drum kit though ;D
https://youtu.be/MDxM2ofTUIM
Wow thats cool. Well except for the Muse....
Psh! That's like the best bit!!
Close call though. Technology's ace. I like that. A lot.
There goes DT...ripping off Muse again.....this time with cameras ;D
Bwahaha
The trailer was so awesome that I've watched it way too many times already. Got to love Jordan's wizard hat. :metal Anyway, I'm actually becoming more and more tempted to buy a BluRay player just to be able to watch this in HD. They seem to be quite cheap these days. The problem is that I don't really watch movies at all, and if I do, I can always use my lovely AppleTV to watch them in HD, so I would basically be using the BR player only for DT and maybe some other music BluRays as well. DT in HD is definitely worth the price of a BluRay player, isn't it? :lol
well theres a decent chance the concert will be available on itunes, so maybe just purchase the high def version there and buy the dvd for the bonus features?
Is there any info on whether the 360 is for one song ala instrumedley or for the entire show? That would be amazing.
Quote from: countoftuscany42 on February 02, 2013, 09:22:33 AM
well theres a decent chance the concert will be available on itunes, so maybe just purchase the high def version there and buy the dvd for the bonus features?
It's highly likely the CD version will be on iTunes since every other live release is, but as for the video, can't say. None of them are on iTunes yet.
Quote from: cramx3 on February 02, 2013, 09:24:33 AM
Is there any info on whether the 360 is for one song ala instrumedley or for the entire show? That would be amazing.
I don't think there's any way they could fit that much video on the disc. It was probably too much trouble to set up only for one song though. I'd guess we'll get a few songs that way? Just a guess though.
If you need to use an app to access it, might some of the data be part of the app itself?
Quote from: Fisi on February 02, 2013, 09:13:04 AM
The trailer was so awesome that I've watched it way too many times already. Got to love Jordan's wizard hat. :metal Anyway, I'm actually becoming more and more tempted to buy a BluRay player just to be able to watch this in HD. They seem to be quite cheap these days. The problem is that I don't really watch movies at all, and if I do, I can always use my lovely AppleTV to watch them in HD, so I would basically be using the BR player only for DT and maybe some other music BluRays as well. DT in HD is definitely worth the price of a BluRay player, isn't it? :lol
You canl buy a Playstation 3 which is a blu ray, and is very cheap nowadays.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on February 02, 2013, 09:27:20 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on February 02, 2013, 09:24:33 AM
Is there any info on whether the 360 is for one song ala instrumedley or for the entire show? That would be amazing.
I don't think there's any way they could fit that much video on the disc. It was probably too much trouble to set up only for one song though. I'd guess we'll get a few songs that way? Just a guess though.
IMHO this feature will be for the entire show but only on the BR disc
Quote from: Dreamer81 on February 02, 2013, 09:36:19 AM
Quote from: BlobVanDam on February 02, 2013, 09:27:20 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on February 02, 2013, 09:24:33 AM
Is there any info on whether the 360 is for one song ala instrumedley or for the entire show? That would be amazing.
I don't think there's any way they could fit that much video on the disc. It was probably too much trouble to set up only for one song though. I'd guess we'll get a few songs that way? Just a guess though.
IMHO this feature will be for the entire show but only on the BR disc
Hey, I hope you're right, because it would be an excellent feature to kick it up a notch. Man, it would take forever to watch it all and see every detail in there!
What you need to do is get 4 friends around - each with their own BluRay player and 42" HDTV and snych them all up.
So you have each member on the 360 degree setting. One member per tv.
Then you can control the entire gig from your living room.
;D
Indeed it would be. A breakthrough experience for progressive live music, actually. :tup
And I hope you're right, dreamer81, but can a single BR-DVD accept that much data? The regular footage AND another 3 hours of 360 material? (which I believe would be much heavier than an equally long set of normal footage, given the higher amount of data required to picture the whole solid angle)
First view as it is, and then one time for every camera, it will take forever, better stash some beers and pop corn from now :D
@wasteland: the blu ray capacity can reach up to 200 GB of raw data, if a film like (for example) the avengers and all the extra fit in 1 BR with 27 GB of space; i'm pretty sure they can made it on one High capacity BR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_le4H4s0qTk
Unrelated - but is it just the acoustics and echo or is James woefully out of tune in this vid ?
It's probably the video quality - but it sounds like has has trouble pitching in a few bootleg's i've watched...
Is he that hit and miss live or is it youtube ?
Quote from: Dreamer81 on February 02, 2013, 09:36:19 AM
Quote from: Fisi on February 02, 2013, 09:13:04 AM
The trailer was so awesome that I've watched it way too many times already. Got to love Jordan's wizard hat. :metal Anyway, I'm actually becoming more and more tempted to buy a BluRay player just to be able to watch this in HD. They seem to be quite cheap these days. The problem is that I don't really watch movies at all, and if I do, I can always use my lovely AppleTV to watch them in HD, so I would basically be using the BR player only for DT and maybe some other music BluRays as well. DT in HD is definitely worth the price of a BluRay player, isn't it? :lol
You canl buy a Playstation 3 which is a blu ray, and is very cheap nowadays.
Not only that, but when you buy movies on BluRay, you can turn around and sell them later on if you want. I don't think you can do that purchasing films thru iTunes, which is a big reason why I will consider purchasing CDs and BRs.
The only time i purchase music on iTunes is if I can't be be bothered waiting for a delivery or I won't be able to get to a CD shop on the Monday.
Quote from: Kotowboy on February 02, 2013, 09:46:02 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_le4H4s0qTk
Unrelated - but is it just the acoustics and echo or is James woefully out of tune in this vid ?
It's probably the video quality - but it sounds like has has trouble pitching in a few bootleg's i've watched...
Is he that hit and miss live or is it youtube ?
He sounds good to me. He struggles a bit with some of the higher parts after the solo, but that's not really out of the ordinary.
From what I've read online and stuff, James had a really good tour and was just as good at Luna Park. I'm sure there were pitchy moments, but I'm positive those will be silently corrected in the live DVD. There's really no need to worry.
I'm not worrying...
It's just that I was wondering whether it was possible to sound off-key because it's a live bootleg ?
Like - the bad camera microphone picking up overtones or something ?
From a technical POV ;)
Quote from: Perpetual Change on February 02, 2013, 10:06:27 AM
From what I've read online and stuff, James had a really good tour and was just as good at Luna Park. I'm sure there were pitchy moments, but I'm positive those will be silently corrected in the live DVD. There's really no need to worry.
False! He had a good tour and he was WAY BETTER than the tour average at Luna Park. :P
The Blu-Ray looks awesome! I'm so pumped!
Quote from: Setlist Scotty on February 02, 2013, 09:46:50 AM
Quote from: Dreamer81 on February 02, 2013, 09:36:19 AM
Quote from: Fisi on February 02, 2013, 09:13:04 AM
The trailer was so awesome that I've watched it way too many times already. Got to love Jordan's wizard hat. :metal Anyway, I'm actually becoming more and more tempted to buy a BluRay player just to be able to watch this in HD. They seem to be quite cheap these days. The problem is that I don't really watch movies at all, and if I do, I can always use my lovely AppleTV to watch them in HD, so I would basically be using the BR player only for DT and maybe some other music BluRays as well. DT in HD is definitely worth the price of a BluRay player, isn't it? :lol
You canl buy a Playstation 3 which is a blu ray, and is very cheap nowadays.
Not only that, but when you buy movies on BluRay, you can turn around and sell them later on if you want. I don't think you can do that purchasing films thru iTunes, which is a big reason why I will consider purchasing CDs and BRs.
I really wouldn't push that as a major selling point for physical media. I'm a big fan of physical media, and buy basically all of my media on BD/DVD/CD, but they typically have very little resale value.
For BluRay, the PS3 is only the way to go at this point if you're also interested in it as a game console. Standalone players have come down in price quite a bit.
Quote from: TL on February 02, 2013, 11:11:36 AM
I really wouldn't push that as a major selling point for physical media. I'm a big fan of physical media, and buy basically all of my media on BD/DVD/CD, but they typically have very little resale value.
Oh I know. But selling it for something is better than nothing! ;)
Anyhoo - saw this posted elsewhere and had to share it here:
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:rollin
:lol
Now the question is: "Who is this lovely girl looking at that is so amazing to make her go that emotional?"
Quote from: wasteland on February 02, 2013, 01:23:35 PM
Now the question is: "Who is this lovely girl looking at that is so amazing to make her go that emotional?"
Whoever it was (I AM SO NOT TAKING THE BAIT HERE), it was TSCO. That song always makes me cry when I listen to a live version. It is very likely to happen again here, in fact. :mehlin
When I say "cry", I mean "drown with weeping". Man, death sucks.
Which is why I'm a ghostie
Reminds me of my friend who went to Outsidelands this year and saw Sigur Rós play Hoppípolla. She got so emotional, she fell to the ground and weeped through the entire song!
Quote from: Setlist Scotty on February 02, 2013, 01:10:16 PM
Anyhoo - saw this posted elsewhere and had to share it here:
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:rollin
Ha! :lol :rollin :lol
Quote from: DebraKadabra on February 02, 2013, 02:16:36 PM
Quote from: Setlist Scotty on February 02, 2013, 01:10:16 PM
Anyhoo - saw this posted elsewhere and had to share it here:
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/14910_536294476391732_733828940_n.jpg)
The word 'actually' is completely pointless and does not need to be included.
Just saying.
Incidentally, is this the first DT DVD with actual crowd shots?
I'm... struggling to remember any moments where one's ever cut to a crowd member in the past. Drawing a blank. If so - cool!
Ice9ine - spot the deliberate "mistake!" (Though I'd argue that it's not a mistake, it's just how people actually talk. Since when do people only use the words that need to be included? Speaking is, by its nature, actually rather gratuitous. Oops, there I go again.)
IIRC, there were some crowd shots in Score. I don't remember if there are any in LAB though.
@Ice9ine: I think the text looks actually pretty good the way it is. ::)
Which DTFers can be seen on Score? I keep tripping I am seeing some of you guys, I'd like to know for sure.
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on February 02, 2013, 02:31:25 PM
Which DTFers can be seen on Score? I keep tripping I am seeing some of you guys, I'd like to know for sure.
Hefdaddy42 in the documentary, I've been told. I never spotted him as I never watched it entierely :omg:
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on February 02, 2013, 02:31:25 PM
Which DTFers can be seen on Score? I keep tripping I am seeing some of you guys, I'd like to know for sure.
Weymo and Setlist Scotty (I THINK) are in some crowd shots also, along with Chris Jericho. Wey is REALLY hard to miss, as he's so damn tall and towards the front(ish) of MSG. :lol
KeithK (a beloved MP.com member - RIP, man) was either in Score during the docu or in one of the earlier live vids.
The girl OBVIOUSLY has a cold - look at her red nose. She's not crying - she's just in the middle of a bout of sneezes, and is about to sneeze again. She's allergic to prog metal.
-Marc.
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v317/bizarredevotedfan/Randomness/sarcasm.gif)
Keithk was in the bonus footage of Metropolis 2000. The guy that says something about how many miles he drove to see DT.
Quote from: The Letter M on February 02, 2013, 03:23:22 PM
The girl OBVIOUSLY has a cold - look at her red nose. She's not crying - she's just in the middle of a bout of sneezes, and is about to sneeze again. She's allergic to prog metal.
-Marc.
The horror!
Quote from: DebraKadabra on February 02, 2013, 03:24:43 PM
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v317/bizarredevotedfan/Randomness/sarcasm.gif)
Sorry, I was forgot to green my text ;)
Seriously though, I'm glad they picked such a good shot for the trailer - it really adds to the image of truly emotional and passionate South American fans, not just of DT, but to music concerts in general!
-Marc.
Quote from: Kotowboy on February 02, 2013, 09:46:02 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_le4H4s0qTk
Unrelated - but is it just the acoustics and echo or is James woefully out of tune in this vid ?
It's probably the video quality - but it sounds like has has trouble pitching in a few bootleg's i've watched...
Is he that hit and miss live or is it youtube ?
I was at that concert and him being off sounding is from the video itself and not how he actually sounded that night. After being at the show I listened to the bootleg and could really hear the difference. In the bootlegs at some parts he sounded almost chaos in motion like but at the show he was spot for almost the entire show.
Quote from: robwebster on February 02, 2013, 02:26:58 PM
Incidentally, is this the first DT DVD with actual crowd shots?
I'm... struggling to remember any moments where one's ever cut to a crowd member in the past. Drawing a blank. If so - cool!
Ice9ine - spot the deliberate "mistake!" (Though I'd argue that it's not a mistake, it's just how people actually talk. Since when do people only use the words that need to be included? Speaking is, by its nature, actually rather gratuitous. Oops, there I go again.)
LaB has a great shot of the crowd just as the lights go out. It's one of my favorite shots from the DVD.
Quote from: DebraKadabra on February 02, 2013, 02:33:48 PM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on February 02, 2013, 02:31:25 PM
Which DTFers can be seen on Score? I keep tripping I am seeing some of you guys, I'd like to know for sure.
Weymo and Setlist Scotty (I THINK) are in some crowd shots also, along with Chris Jericho. Wey is REALLY hard to miss, as he's so damn tall and towards the front(ish) of MSG. :lol
KeithK (a beloved MP.com member - RIP, man) was either in Score during the docu or in one of the earlier live vids.
I think I saw Keri (DTIFC) in the front somewhere during Score. I am not sure if she was a member of this exact forum but she was in the past.
Quote from: DebraKadabra on February 02, 2013, 02:33:48 PM
Weymo and Setlist Scotty (I THINK) are in some crowd shots also, along with Chris Jericho. Wey is REALLY hard to miss, as he's so damn tall and towards the front(ish) of MSG. :lol
Not sure if you can actually see me, but I am in there. Was right on the aisle on JP's side. IIRC, I was in the second row outside the orchestra pit, sitting in front of JP's family. Also not sure if you can see him, but Rich Wilson was in the orchestra pit. And I happen to know the one dude that's in the very front, center seat with the super long hair (well, back then - he got it cut since) that's seen numerous times. His name is Kyle Graves altho when he had long hair, he looked vaguely similar to Kevin Moore (IaW era).
Quote from: Dacling on February 02, 2013, 04:59:23 PM
Quote from: Kotowboy on February 02, 2013, 09:46:02 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_le4H4s0qTk
Unrelated - but is it just the acoustics and echo or is James woefully out of tune in this vid ?
It's probably the video quality - but it sounds like has has trouble pitching in a few bootleg's i've watched...
Is he that hit and miss live or is it youtube ?
I was at that concert and him being off sounding is from the video itself and not how he actually sounded that night. After being at the show I listened to the bootleg and could really hear the difference. In the bootlegs at some parts he sounded almost chaos in motion like but at the show he was spot for almost the entire show.
That could be the case, altho I think with the music as loud as it is in the live setting, combined with the excitement of seeing them live, what you remember hearing may not be exactly what happened. I say this from recalling memories of some concerts (not just DT) I've seen in the past, and later getting a bootleg of said show and being horrified that it doesn't live up to the memories that I had of it (in terms of performance).
Quote from: Setlist Scotty on February 02, 2013, 06:01:17 PM
Not sure if you can actually see me, but I am in there. Was right on the aisle on JP's side. IIRC, I was in the second row outside the orchestra pit, sitting in front of JP's family. Also not sure if you can see him, but Rich Wilson was in the orchestra pit. And I happen to know the one dude that's in the very front, center seat with the super long hair (well, back then - he got it cut since) that's seen numerous times. His name is Kyle Graves altho when he had long hair, he looked vaguely similar to Kevin Moore (IaW era).
JP's family wasn't front row? Well that's BOOO.
Quote from: Setlist Scotty on February 02, 2013, 06:01:17 PM
Quote from: DebraKadabra on February 02, 2013, 02:33:48 PM
Weymo and Setlist Scotty (I THINK) are in some crowd shots also, along with Chris Jericho. Wey is REALLY hard to miss, as he's so damn tall and towards the front(ish) of MSG. :lol
Not sure if you can actually see me, but I am in there. Was right on the aisle on JP's side. IIRC, I was in the second row outside the orchestra pit, sitting in front of JP's family. Also not sure if you can see him, but Rich Wilson was in the orchestra pit. And I happen to know the one dude that's in the very front, center seat with the super long hair (well, back then - he got it cut since) that's seen numerous times. His name is Kyle Graves altho when he had long hair, he looked vaguely similar to Kevin Moore (IaW era).
Quote from: Dacling on February 02, 2013, 04:59:23 PM
Quote from: Kotowboy on February 02, 2013, 09:46:02 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_le4H4s0qTk
Unrelated - but is it just the acoustics and echo or is James woefully out of tune in this vid ?
It's probably the video quality - but it sounds like has has trouble pitching in a few bootleg's i've watched...
Is he that hit and miss live or is it youtube ?
I was at that concert and him being off sounding is from the video itself and not how he actually sounded that night. After being at the show I listened to the bootleg and could really hear the difference. In the bootlegs at some parts he sounded almost chaos in motion like but at the show he was spot for almost the entire show.
That could be the case, altho I think with the music as loud as it is in the live setting, combined with the excitement of seeing them live, what you remember hearing may not be exactly what happened. I say this from recalling memories of some concerts (not just DT) I've seen in the past, and later getting a bootleg of said show and being horrified that it doesn't live up to the memories that I had of it (in terms of performance).
I'd go by your memory. I've seen multiple bootlegs of the same venue shot with different cameras / phones, etc, and they all sound different and most sound terrible compared to what I heard. 30 cent microphones or even a good mic can't and won't pick up what your ears hear. That's why when they do a good DVD like this one they mix the board with really expensive open air mics. It still takes them months ()as we see) to get it right. It's just like photography. I have a super good camera, but it can't pick up what my eye sees. That's why I do a ton of post processing to get it back to what I saw. It's just that your ears and eyes have a much better and finer dynamic range compared to any machine.
Excellent post, johncal! :tup
Quote from: Setlist Scotty on February 02, 2013, 06:01:17 PM
That could be the case, altho I think with the music as loud as it is in the live setting, combined with the excitement of seeing them live, what you remember hearing may not be exactly what happened. I say this from recalling memories of some concerts (not just DT) I've seen in the past, and later getting a bootleg of said show and being horrified that it doesn't live up to the memories that I had of it (in terms of performance).
I saw Ozzy Osbourne in 1996 and remember thinking it was the most amazing experience I have ever had. He kicked so much ass!
Of course I was 13 and it was my first concert. I later heard a bootleg and was amazed at how horrible he was.
Of course I haven't seen a band since then other than Ozzy a few more times that have been anywhere near as bad.
I am in the Score documentary, I'm the guy from Puerto Rico.
I'm the guy with the beard and glasses. :-\
I'm in 0 Dream Theater DVDs.
I own 0 Dream Theater DVDs unless you count the TSCO doc that comes with ADTOE.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BCKsWyICMAADYNL.png:large)
:rollin
Ok, someone please post that image blank in a new thread, and let's have at it. :lol
Quote from: chaotic_ripper on February 02, 2013, 03:28:51 PM
Keithk was in the bonus footage of Metropolis 2000. The guy that says something about how many miles he drove to see DT.
Thank you, that's the one I was thinking of.
Quote from: Setlist Scotty on February 02, 2013, 06:01:17 PM
Quote from: DebraKadabra on February 02, 2013, 02:33:48 PM
Weymo and Setlist Scotty (I THINK) are in some crowd shots also, along with Chris Jericho. Wey is REALLY hard to miss, as he's so damn tall and towards the front(ish) of MSG. :lol
Not sure if you can actually see me, but I am in there. Was right on the aisle on JP's side. IIRC, I was in the second row outside the orchestra pit, sitting in front of JP's family.
I think Wey had to specifically point you out, cause we didn't meet until 2008 and Score came out in 2006. I'll also have to look for Rich the next time I watch it (which will be soon).
Quote from: YouMakeMeSick on February 02, 2013, 10:11:00 PM
I am in the Score documentary, I'm the guy from Puerto Rico.
You were at MP.com too, right? Good to see you here regardless. :)
Quote from: BlobVanDam on February 03, 2013, 01:06:24 AM
:rollin
Ok, someone please post that image blank in a new thread, and let's have at it. :lol
Pretty sure you can manage that.
Quote from: johncal on February 02, 2013, 06:45:03 PM
I'd go by your memory. I've seen multiple bootlegs of the same venue shot with different cameras / phones, etc, and they all sound different and most sound terrible compared to what I heard. 30 cent microphones or even a good mic can't and won't pick up what your ears hear. That's why when they do a good DVD like this one they mix the board with really expensive open air mics. It still takes them months ()as we see) to get it right. It's just like photography. I have a super good camera, but it can't pick up what my eye sees. That's why I do a ton of post processing to get it back to what I saw. It's just that your ears and eyes have a much better and finer dynamic range compared to any machine.
I understand that the general sound from various bootlegs from the same show are going to vary in sound quality - that's a given, especially since you're talking about people who don't have top-of-the-line microphones perfectly pointed at the PA stacks. But that's not what we're talking about. What we're talking about is how James actually sounds on a given night - is he on or does he hit some sour notes? Whether you have a soundboard recording or a recording from your iPhone in the middle of the audience, you still should be able to tell one way or the other. And that is more proof positive to me than what I remember hearing because of the aforementioned things that can affect my memory.
The video of the girl crying is actually from a show in 2009 when Portnoy does his cookie monster rant in ANTR. She has never been to a DT show since.
Quote from: fadetoblackdude7 on February 01, 2013, 01:53:47 PM
So then I'm guessing the tracklist will look something like:
Bridges In The Sky
These Walls
6:00
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
The Dark Eternal Night
This Is The Life
Caught In A Web
The Root Of All Evil
Lost Not Forgotten
Drum Solo
A Fortune In Lies
The Silent Man
Beneath The Surface
Wait For Sleep
Far From Heaven
Outcry
Surrounded
On The Backs Of Angels
War Inside My Head
The Test That Stumped Them All
The Spirit Carries On
Breaking All Illusions
Pull Me Under
Metropolis
That is both nights without repeats.....hope it looks something like that
That means it has ADTOE in it's entirety. :metal
Isn't that a first for a DT live release??
Live Scenes had the entirety of SFAM.
Nope, Metropolis 2000: Scenes from New York has all of SFAM.
Ninja'd!
Quote from: Fiery Winds on February 04, 2013, 02:14:03 AM
Nope, Metropolis 2000: Scenes from New York has all of SFAM.
Ninja'd!
Oh, well I guess that's true. Didn't consider that though, cause that was kinda the gimmick of that release. But, yes technically my statement was incorrect.
Anyways, I'm super damn excited for this. This whole year is gonna be incredible. DT DVD, new DT album, new JLB and JP solo albums.. Not to mention the other albums from many of my other favorite bands that are coming out this year. It is a good time to be alive.
Quote from: TheLordOfTheStrings on February 04, 2013, 02:34:15 AM
Anyways, I'm super damn excited for this. This whole year is gonna be incredible. DT DVD, new DT album, new JLB and JP solo albums.. Not to mention the other albums from many of my other favorite bands that are coming out this year. It is a good time to be alive.
This :tup
Quote from: TheLordOfTheStrings on February 04, 2013, 02:34:15 AM
Quote from: Fiery Winds on February 04, 2013, 02:14:03 AM
Nope, Metropolis 2000: Scenes from New York has all of SFAM.
Ninja'd!
Oh, well I guess that's true. Didn't consider that though, cause that was kinda the gimmick of that release. But, yes technically my statement was incorrect.
Anyways, I'm super damn excited for this. This whole year is gonna be incredible. DT DVD, new DT album, new JLB and JP solo albums.. Not to mention the other albums from many of my other favorite bands that are coming out this year. It is a good time to be alive.
Plus new Star Trek :P :P
Well, there's When Dream and Day Reunite, as well as Romavarium.
Quote from: Cedar redaC on February 04, 2013, 05:36:37 AM
Well, there's When Dream and Day Reunite, as well as Romavarium.
Plus the 15th anniversary of Images.
(https://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/1f3edcc2ad1dbae73c4db1695eaea705/1549049.jpg)
Quote from: Zydar on February 04, 2013, 05:39:50 AM
Quote from: Cedar redaC on February 04, 2013, 05:36:37 AM
Well, there's When Dream and Day Reunite, as well as Romavarium.
Plus the 15th anniversary of Images.
(https://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/1f3edcc2ad1dbae73c4db1695eaea705/1549049.jpg)
All of that. A shame we never got the opening night of the TOT Tour where they played all of TOT in it's entirety in the first set (January 6th, 2004 at Manchester Apollo, Manchester, England).
However, over the course of the last few live sets, we've gotten all of TOT live (in some form or another).
-Marc.
Quote from: The Letter M on February 04, 2013, 05:50:50 AMAll of that. A shame we never got the opening night of the TOT Tour where they played all of TOT in it's entirety in the first set (January 6th, 2004 at Manchester Apollo, Manchester, England).
I'm sure wasteland has a bootleg of this show. ;D
It makes me happy that we'll have the entire A Dramatic turn of events on a live release. I've grown to love all of those songs and only missed three of them at the show I attended, so it will be great to see them on the DVD. :metal
Quote from: Mladen on February 04, 2013, 06:09:03 AM
Quote from: The Letter M on February 04, 2013, 05:50:50 AMAll of that. A shame we never got the opening night of the TOT Tour where they played all of TOT in it's entirety in the first set (January 6th, 2004 at Manchester Apollo, Manchester, England).
I'm sure wasteland has a bootleg of this show. ;D
It makes me happy that we'll have the entire A Dramatic turn of events on a live release. I've grown to love all of those songs and only missed three of them at the show I attended, so it will be great to see them on the DVD. :metal
If he does, he can't share it... I recall reading that the band and/or Mike Portnoy had banned that Manchester gig from being shared if any bootlegs existed, mostly due to being a bad night in terms of performance.
But like I said, between LAB and SCORE, we have all 7 tracks from TOT on live releases.
-Marc.
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on February 02, 2013, 02:31:25 PM
Which DTFers can be seen on Score? I keep tripping I am seeing some of you guys, I'd like to know for sure.
You can see me for about 0.9 seconds.
(https://img580.imageshack.us/img580/3971/mescore.jpg)
So, you think they'll be a single before the release? I remember before Score came out, we got "I Walk Beside You", which was pretty cool. I hope they do something like that with this release.
You mean as a live recording from the DVD? I didn't know they did that with Score, that's cool.
Quote from: Zydar on February 04, 2013, 06:30:28 AM
You mean as a live recording from the DVD? I didn't know they did that with Score, that's cool.
Yeah, but Score was kinda a big deal, because the marketting was "Hey, look, JLB's voice is back!". I remember the preview snippits were full of James hitting high notes and stuff, too.
Quote from: wasteland on February 02, 2013, 01:23:35 PM
Now the question is: "Who is this lovely girl looking at that is so amazing to make her go that emotional?"
JLB's pants split again.
Quote from: The Letter M on February 04, 2013, 05:50:50 AM
Quote from: Zydar on February 04, 2013, 05:39:50 AM
Quote from: Cedar redaC on February 04, 2013, 05:36:37 AM
Well, there's When Dream and Day Reunite, as well as Romavarium.
Plus the 15th anniversary of Images.
(https://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/1f3edcc2ad1dbae73c4db1695eaea705/1549049.jpg)
All of that. A shame we never got the opening night of the TOT Tour where they played all of TOT in it's entirety in the first set (January 6th, 2004 at Manchester Apollo, Manchester, England).
Don't forget that the band performed all of IaW in 92-93, and there's the official bootleg of the 3/4/93 show, not to mention numerous bootlegs including a couple soundboards.
As for ToT, the band did perform that album in it's entirety 7 different times on the ToT headlining tour, IIRC. The Manchester show was the only one where they played it from beginning to end, but they did play all 7 songs non-sequentially at those other 6 shows, including the San Diego show (which I attended).
Quote from: The Letter M on February 04, 2013, 05:50:50 AM
Quote from: Zydar on February 04, 2013, 05:39:50 AM
Quote from: Cedar redaC on February 04, 2013, 05:36:37 AM
Well, there's When Dream and Day Reunite, as well as Romavarium.
Plus the 15th anniversary of Images.
(https://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/1f3edcc2ad1dbae73c4db1695eaea705/1549049.jpg)
All of that. A shame we never got the opening night of the TOT Tour where they played all of TOT in it's entirety in the first set (January 6th, 2004 at Manchester Apollo, Manchester, England).
However, over the course of the last few live sets, we've gotten all of TOT live (in some form or another).
-Marc.
I'm sure wasteland can clarify this, but wasn't that show one which Portnoy banned from bootleg circulation as it was a 'rehearsal' show of sorts and the performance wasn't great?
Quote from: Setlist Scotty on February 04, 2013, 06:35:25 AM
As for ToT, the band did perform that album in it's entirety 7 different times on the ToT headlining tour, IIRC. The Manchester show was the only one where they played it from beginning to end, but they did play all 7 songs non-sequentially at those other 6 shows, including the San Diego show (which I attended).
Nuggets? Seventh album played Seven Times on that tour!!!
Also, good stuff to know :tup Are there any bootlegs of those other 6 shows, and if so, are any of them good?
-Marc.
Quote from: Perpetual Change on February 04, 2013, 06:28:28 AM
So, you think they'll be a single before the release? I remember before Score came out, we got "I Walk Beside You", which was pretty cool. I hope they do something like that with this release.
Man, that would sure be sweet. I'd love Build me up, break me down. :metal
Quote from: MajorMatt on February 04, 2013, 06:41:15 AM
Quote from: The Letter M on February 04, 2013, 05:50:50 AM
Quote from: Zydar on February 04, 2013, 05:39:50 AM
Quote from: Cedar redaC on February 04, 2013, 05:36:37 AM
Well, there's When Dream and Day Reunite, as well as Romavarium.
Plus the 15th anniversary of Images.
(https://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/1f3edcc2ad1dbae73c4db1695eaea705/1549049.jpg)
All of that. A shame we never got the opening night of the TOT Tour where they played all of TOT in it's entirety in the first set (January 6th, 2004 at Manchester Apollo, Manchester, England).
However, over the course of the last few live sets, we've gotten all of TOT live (in some form or another).
-Marc.
I'm sure wasteland can clarify this, but wasn't that show one which Portnoy banned from bootleg circulation as it was a 'rehearsal' show of sorts and the performance wasn't great?
Yeah that's right. It is a shame, because I bet the performance wasn't that bad, only by MP's standards!
Welllll I saw them in Rotterdam only a couple of nights after that, and that show was far from tight. ToT's material was totally next level to play live for them though in terms of balls and agression an entire night long, so I understand, but I can see why a bootlegs of a couple of shows earlier would be banned.
The London show just after Manchester was pretty good though. I guess everyone can have off nights!
I'm glad they have :)
Quote from: MajorMatt on February 04, 2013, 06:41:15 AM
I'm sure wasteland can clarify this, but wasn't that show one which Portnoy banned from bootleg circulation as it was a 'rehearsal' show of sorts and the performance wasn't great?
You got it. I have it, and I think the ban was slightly exaggerated. Yes, there is some rust in the performance, but nothing abysmal.
Quote from: The Letter M on February 04, 2013, 06:44:10 AM
Quote from: Setlist Scotty on February 04, 2013, 06:35:25 AM
As for ToT, the band did perform that album in it's entirety 7 different times on the ToT headlining tour, IIRC. The Manchester show was the only one where they played it from beginning to end, but they did play all 7 songs non-sequentially at those other 6 shows, including the San Diego show (which I attended).
Nuggets? Seventh album played Seven Times on that tour!!!
Also, good stuff to know :tup Are there any bootlegs of those other 6 shows, and if so, are any of them good?
-Marc.
There's San Diego, but it's GDT, so not to be shared electronically. I'll check if the other 5 were recorded :)
The MSG show has all of ToT in its entirety I believe.
Ok, I made my survey and here's the results:
16/01 / Manchester - RECORDED, BANNED
31/01 / Furth - RECORDED, AVAILABLE
04/02 / Franenfeld - NOT RECORDED
07/03 / San Diego - RECORDED, GDT
22/03 / Detroit - NOT RECORDED
29/09 / Washington - RECORDED, GDT
03/04 / NYC - RECORDED, AVAILEBLE/GDT
Quote from: cyberdrummer on February 04, 2013, 07:13:48 AM
The London show just after Manchester was pretty good though. I guess everyone can have off nights!
I attended that show and it was my very first DT concert. I will never forget that concert it was amazing and an almost 3 hour setlist. I was slightly disappointed that they didn't play Vacant & Stream Of Consciousness. Though I was too floored by the ending for In The Name of God JP Solo.
Quote from: ZirconBlue on February 04, 2013, 06:33:23 AM
Quote from: wasteland on February 02, 2013, 01:23:35 PM
Now the question is: "Who is this lovely girl looking at that is so amazing to make her go that emotional?"
JLB's pants split again.
Wouldn't her reaction be the opposite in that case? :lol
Quote from: ? on February 04, 2013, 08:44:46 AM
Wouldn't her reaction be the opposite in that case? :lol
Tears of joy?
Quote from: The Letter M on February 04, 2013, 06:44:10 AM
Quote from: Setlist Scotty on February 04, 2013, 06:35:25 AM
As for ToT, the band did perform that album in it's entirety 7 different times on the ToT headlining tour, IIRC. The Manchester show was the only one where they played it from beginning to end, but they did play all 7 songs non-sequentially at those other 6 shows, including the San Diego show (which I attended).
Nuggets? Seventh album played Seven Times on that tour!!!
Also, good stuff to know :tup Are there any bootlegs of those other 6 shows, and if so, are any of them good?
Didn't you read? I was at the San Diego show. ;) ;D
I always mentally complain that you didn't tape the most interesting shows of the leg, like St. Lous, Chicago, Quebec City... :biggrin:
(it's to be said that you also taped many other classic ones, together with those that were bobs'd :tup)
Quote from: wasteland on February 04, 2013, 09:15:57 AM
I always mentally complain that you didn't tape the most interesting shows of the leg, like St. Lous, Chicago, Quebec City... :biggrin:
Well, unless you were gonna finance my traveling for a few months, I couldn't do them all! But at least I did get LA, SD, Phoenix, Wallingford, Boston, Philly and NYC on that run. :biggrin:
Quote from: wasteland on February 04, 2013, 09:15:57 AM
(it's to be said that you also taped many other classic ones, together with those that were bobs'd :tup)
Many thanx for that. Glad to have contributed to the taping community. :)
Well, you taped my favourite live moment ever. I won't ever be thankful enough for that. :)
Quote from: wasteland on February 04, 2013, 11:35:46 AM
Well, you taped my favourite live moment ever. I won't ever be thankful enough for that. :)
Which one was that? The improv in the 9/5/04 Madison show?
Quote from: Setlist Scotty on February 04, 2013, 11:39:32 AM
Quote from: wasteland on February 04, 2013, 11:35:46 AM
Well, you taped my favourite live moment ever. I won't ever be thankful enough for that. :)
Which one was that? The improv in the 9/5/04 Madison show?
Well, we are completely on the same page, it seems ;)
I cried too many times to that improvisation. A miracle, a gem. Better than anything they have ever written since them, maybe with the sole exception of BAI.
Quote from: wasteland on February 04, 2013, 11:43:40 AM
Quote from: Setlist Scotty on February 04, 2013, 11:39:32 AM
Quote from: wasteland on February 04, 2013, 11:35:46 AM
Well, you taped my favourite live moment ever. I won't ever be thankful enough for that. :)
Which one was that? The improv in the 9/5/04 Madison show?
Well, we are completely on the same page, it seems ;)
I cried too many times to that improvisation. A miracle, a gem. Better than anything they have ever written since them, maybe with the sole exception of BAI.
It is by far my favorite improv as well. The band was really on for that one - it almost sounds like a song as opposed to just being improvised. I wish that they would have done more of those types of improvs on that tour (complete stand-alone improvs, as opposed to being attached to BTL or TLF, which automatically influenced where the band went with it).
To bring the thread close to being on topic, I don't believe there's any improvs on the upcoming LaLP, aside from JR's soloing before Surrounded or JP's soloing before TSCO, so I hope full-band improvs are something that they'll bring back on the next tour!
I hear you on both accounts! A DreamTheater-spot instead of the usual member-spots would save time and generate a net gain (IMO at least, a band jam, especially if consolidated performance after performance, is much more interesting than a single band member solo).
What would that be?
Quote from: Setlist Scotty on February 04, 2013, 11:50:16 AM
Quote from: wasteland on February 04, 2013, 11:43:40 AM
Quote from: Setlist Scotty on February 04, 2013, 11:39:32 AM
Quote from: wasteland on February 04, 2013, 11:35:46 AM
Well, you taped my favourite live moment ever. I won't ever be thankful enough for that. :)
Which one was that? The improv in the 9/5/04 Madison show?
Well, we are completely on the same page, it seems ;)
I cried too many times to that improvisation. A miracle, a gem. Better than anything they have ever written since them, maybe with the sole exception of BAI.
It is by far my favorite improv as well. The band was really on for that one - it almost sounds like a song as opposed to just being improvised. I wish that they would have done more of those types of improvs on that tour (complete stand-alone improvs, as opposed to being attached to BTL or TLF, which automatically influenced where the band went with it).
To bring the thread close to being on topic, I don't believe there's any improvs on the upcoming LaLP, aside from JR's soloing before Surrounded or JP's soloing before TSCO, so I hope full-band improvs are something that they'll bring back on the next tour!
Where would I be able to hear this improv? I tried searching on youtube, but I came up empty.
I'm sorry guys. The improv is part of a Grateful Dreams release, Stg. Portnoy's Progressive Hard Rock Band, that can't be shared electronically. So, this one bit of DT history won't ever appear on this board.
This one, though, is one of the circumstances where I really wish there could be made an exception to make the biggest share of the fans aware of that unique moment in DT history.
My apologies to the mods for my slip-up regarding the forum rules. :eek
Did the cartoon video with the 'Inception' theme during the intro make it to the finished product?
Over the Edge Productions: Yes, it did. But due to licensing, it had to be restored to a DT song. Though still pretty awesome.
Which song do you guys think they're referring to?
:corn
Psycho?
Dream is Collapsing from Inception.
Restored to a DT song? What do they mean by that?
My vote is for Eve...
jk.
It's probably Hell's Kitchen.
Quote from: ResultsMayVary on February 07, 2013, 05:42:17 PM
Restored to a DT song? What do they mean by that?
They couldn't use the Dream is Collapsing theme they used to start all the shows on this tour on the DVD. So, the audio was edited out and an alternative track (i.e. a DT tune) was used instead.
Quote from: TheLordOfTheStrings on February 07, 2013, 05:48:28 PM
It's probably Hell's Kitchen.
This sounds very likely to me.
Possibly In the Name of God, but I don't think they'd do that for two consecutive concert DVDs.
Outro birds from TCOT? haha
They lost the Inception intro? Damnit!
It's a loop of the MM video when he was called to be the new DT drummer.
THIS IS AWFUL AWFUL AW-FUL
Not a big deal, but still a bit of a bummer.
It's completely understandable, but Dream Is Collapsing was such an epic intro.
trying to get a license for a Hans Zimmer song for a concert DVD would be a headache for the band
I wasn't expecting this at all It's clear that I don't know anything about licences. Too bad. Now, let the bets start again!
Quote from: wasteland on February 07, 2013, 11:03:24 PM
I wasn't expecting this at all It's clear that I don't know anything about licences. Too bad. Now, let the bets start again!
I'm going to say the ending of TCOT. We did express a lot our feelings on whether it should be on the DVD or not. xD
The video is some 3:30 minutes long, they can't just paste the whole last verse section of TCOT there, it would't make much...
Quote from: TL on February 07, 2013, 08:32:42 PM
Not a big deal, but still a bit of a bummer.
It's completely understandable, but Dream Is Collapsing was such an epic intro.
Yeah, agreed.
Quote from: DebraKadabra on February 07, 2013, 11:43:09 PM
Quote from: TL on February 07, 2013, 08:32:42 PM
Not a big deal, but still a bit of a bummer.
It's completely understandable, but Dream Is Collapsing was such an epic intro.
Yeah, agreed.
At least it's still there on every bootleg... It can't be removed from there... :yeahright
4444th post! :metal
Quote from: wasteland on February 07, 2013, 11:54:19 PM
At least it's still there on every bootleg... It can't be removed from there... :yeahright
True.
Quote from: wasteland on February 07, 2013, 11:12:00 PM
The video is some 3:30 minutes long, they can't just paste the whole last verse section of TCOT there, it would't make much...
That is true. The DT songs closest to that length off the top of my head are Cover my Eyes of Overture 1928. The latter MIGHT make sense.
That's a shame really. Don't get me wrong, I really didn't expect Dream Is Collapsing to be there for the finished product due to how a lot of license holders behave in general but it would have been awesome since it was such a perfect match.
Quote from: GasparXR on February 08, 2013, 12:23:52 AM
Quote from: wasteland on February 07, 2013, 11:12:00 PM
The video is some 3:30 minutes long, they can't just paste the whole last verse section of TCOT there, it would't make much...
That is true. The DT songs closest to that length off the top of my head are Cover my Eyes of Overture 1928. The latter MIGHT make sense.
Maybe the last bit of The Dance of Eternity, or another instrumental.
Like I said, I'm placing my bet for Hell's Kitchen...
It will be Raw Dog.
Guys, it's obviously going to be Gnos Sdrawkcab on a loop for the whole video.
:tup
Quote from: TheLordOfTheStrings on February 08, 2013, 01:20:18 AM
Like I said, I'm placing my bet for Hell's Kitchen...
That still won't excuse them for not playing it in a decade or so.
What if the DVD starts from the Intro of BITS and the cartoon is saved as a bonus content with something like the instrumental part of Outcry playing in the background?
It's got to be canadian rap on loop.
You know what would be *really* cool (tho I doubt it happened or will happen) is for DT to do a cover of the song themselves. Imagine that song, but heavied up, DT-style? That would be awesome, not to mention another unique DT track!
Quote from: Setlist Scotty on February 08, 2013, 07:34:11 AM
You know what would be *really* cool (tho I doubt it happened or will happen) is for DT to do a cover of the song themselves. Imagine that song, but heavied up, DT-style? That would be awesome, not to mention another unique DT track!
It would be *extremely* cool, but wouldn't the same licence issue arise then?
Quote from: wasteland on February 08, 2013, 07:49:45 AM
Quote from: Setlist Scotty on February 08, 2013, 07:34:11 AM
You know what would be *really* cool (tho I doubt it happened or will happen) is for DT to do a cover of the song themselves. Imagine that song, but heavied up, DT-style? That would be awesome, not to mention another unique DT track!
It would be *extremely* cool, but wouldn't the same licence issue arise then?
I don't know how much trouble it would be either way, but it would be easier to get copyright permission to make your own recording of a song than it would be to get the rights to use the original recording.
Quote from: Setlist Scotty on February 08, 2013, 07:34:11 AM
You know what would be *really* cool (tho I doubt it happened or will happen) is for DT to do a cover of the song themselves. Imagine that song, but heavied up, DT-style? That would be awesome, not to mention another unique DT track!
As they did with also sprach zarathustra, which in fact was included in CiM.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on February 08, 2013, 08:04:05 AM
Quote from: wasteland on February 08, 2013, 07:49:45 AM
Quote from: Setlist Scotty on February 08, 2013, 07:34:11 AM
You know what would be *really* cool (tho I doubt it happened or will happen) is for DT to do a cover of the song themselves. Imagine that song, but heavied up, DT-style? That would be awesome, not to mention another unique DT track!
It would be *extremely* cool, but wouldn't the same licence issue arise then?
I don't know how much trouble it would be either way, but it would be easier to get copyright permission to make your own recording of a song than it would be to get the rights to use the original recording.
indeed, they are two different licenses — with two very different price tags!
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on February 08, 2013, 05:22:56 AM
Quote from: TheLordOfTheStrings on February 08, 2013, 01:20:18 AM
Like I said, I'm placing my bet for Hell's Kitchen...
That still won't excuse them for not playing it in a decade or so.
Hell's Kitchen is like the good kid who always tries to do the right thing and help their parents but then the stupid bratty siblings get all the attention.
I wonder what Hell's Kitchen ever did to Dream Theater for them to pretend like it never existed? I think it's been 15 years since they played it live on the FII tour.
Quote from: chrisbDTM on February 07, 2013, 09:23:25 PM
trying to get a license for a Hans Zimmer song for a concert DVD would be a headache for the band
Bigger than the headaches from September 2010 to November 2010?
Quote from: SomeoneLikeHim on February 08, 2013, 05:47:27 AM
It's got to be canadian rap on loop.
This is the only reasonable solution.
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on February 09, 2013, 02:14:18 AM
Quote from: SomeoneLikeHim on February 08, 2013, 05:47:27 AM
It's got to be canadian rap on loop.
This is the only reasonable solution.
Or perhaps Gnos Sdrawkcab or John Thinks He's Randy Song on loop....
Mike Thinks He's DeeDee Ramone Introducing A Song Song
I don't think those things have the same gravitas as The Canadian Rap.
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on February 09, 2013, 03:56:35 AM
I don't think those things have the same gravitas as The Canadian Rap.
True.
I am maybe one of the very few people that fails to appreciate the canadian rap. I mean, I love all the jokes that come from there, but the song itself is awful. Likely purposedly so... :\
No way, I hope it's Gnos Sdrawkcab!
Why not give some appreciation to Annihilator? Especially during the Mangini era? Put No Zone as the opener and voila! :metal
Quote from: BlobVanDam on February 08, 2013, 08:04:05 AM
Quote from: wasteland on February 08, 2013, 07:49:45 AM
Quote from: Setlist Scotty on February 08, 2013, 07:34:11 AM
You know what would be *really* cool (tho I doubt it happened or will happen) is for DT to do a cover of the song themselves. Imagine that song, but heavied up, DT-style? That would be awesome, not to mention another unique DT track!
It would be *extremely* cool, but wouldn't the same licence issue arise then?
I don't know how much trouble it would be either way, but it would be easier to get copyright permission to make your own recording of a song than it would be to get the rights to use the original recording.
Rap artists that use samples almost always redo the songs themselves. If you use the actual sample from someone elses recording it costs *a lot* more than if you record it yourself. Public Enemy learned this the hard way and basically earned nothing from the first album or two.
Bumping for another update from OtE:
QuoteWant to see one of the bonus features from the Dream Theater DVD? We may have a treat for you guys this week! ;)
Of course they may not :D
Anyway, thoughts or ideas on what it could be??
I wish they ceased to use hypothetical verb forms in their announcements :biggrin:
Quote from: Jinx on February 11, 2013, 03:04:29 PM
Bumping for another update from OtE:
QuoteWant to see one of the bonus features from the Dream Theater DVD? We may have a treat for you guys this week! ;)
Of course they may not :D
Anyway, thoughts or ideas on what it could be??
DRUM CAMS! :metal
Well, that would be epic, but I'm sure it's something else. I can already bet there's a documentary of their whole SA Tour leg.
I'm going to say, the bonus feature they'll show case will be something with isolated audio tracks, such as setting a track to just guitars.
-Marc.
Quote from: PetFish on February 08, 2013, 03:41:43 PM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on February 08, 2013, 05:22:56 AM
Quote from: TheLordOfTheStrings on February 08, 2013, 01:20:18 AM
Like I said, I'm placing my bet for Hell's Kitchen...
That still won't excuse them for not playing it in a decade or so.
Hell's Kitchen is like the good kid who always tries to do the right thing and help their parents but then the stupid bratty siblings get all the attention.
I wonder what Hell's Kitchen ever did to Dream Theater for them to pretend like it never existed? I think it's been 15 years since they played it live on the FII tour.
No, I think it's just that Hell's Kitchen just isn't that good (especially compared to their other instrumentals).
Quote from: bosk1 on February 11, 2013, 03:42:17 PM
No, I think it's just that Hell's Kitchen just isn't that good (especially compared to their other instrumentals).
I disagree 100%.
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on February 09, 2013, 03:56:35 AM
I don't think those things have the same gravitas as The Canadian Rap.
If there's to be a loop, we all know the one perfect song.
THE GIFT WE BRING, YOUR MAJESTY
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
Quote from: Jinx on February 01, 2013, 04:15:23 PM
For those who dont Like OTE on Facebook:
"Thanks guys! We're super proud of this one. We'll see what we can do about getting you some sample clips and maybe replacing the audio with the live counterparts. ALSO: we plan on releasing a very special bonus feature exclusively on our Facebook page in the next couple of weeks ;)"
So, anyone see any special bonus yet? It's been pretty close to a couple of weeks. I don't check FB every day but I figure someone would have linked to it here if something had been posted...
Well, this was posted earlier:
Quote from: Over The Edge Productions
Want to see one of the bonus features on the Dream Theater DVD? We may have a treat for you guys this week! ;)
https://www.facebook.com/OverTheEdgeProductions/posts/473596539365646
Is the latest still May? I'm hoping for late April, I'd love to have it for my 22 hour flight each way to Indonesia... :lol
Quote from: MajorMatt on February 12, 2013, 10:12:20 AM
Well, this was posted earlier:
Quote from: Over The Edge Productions
Want to see one of the bonus features on the Dream Theater DVD? We may have a treat for you guys this week! ;)
https://www.facebook.com/OverTheEdgeProductions/posts/473596539365646
Thanks, I missed that :).
These "announcements of announcements" are really getting goofy :P
Glad I'm not the only thinking that. Just make the fucking announcement already!
Quote from: Perpetual Change on February 12, 2013, 10:28:22 AM
These "announcements of announcements" are really getting goofy :P
Well, I think that was technically a pre-announcement for the annountment, so I think you're a bit off base here.
And I apologise for the announcement of the announcement of the announcement! :P
Quote from: CrimsonSunrise on February 12, 2013, 10:17:32 AM
Is the latest still May? I'm hoping for late April, I'd love to have it for my 22 hour flight each way to Indonesia... :lol
DT come to Indonesia! Plz we love you
Thanks from all of us!
Quote from: jonnybaxy on February 12, 2013, 12:32:25 PM
Quote from: CrimsonSunrise on February 12, 2013, 10:17:32 AM
Is the latest still May? I'm hoping for late April, I'd love to have it for my 22 hour flight each way to Indonesia... :lol
DT come to Indonesia! Plz we love you
Thanks from all of us!
Mike Portnoy <3 DT Love pls come to Indonesia
durm god... pornay pls indonesia soon...konsert
Surely they must have a release date by now?
Jokes about Indonesia not realizing Portnoy left aside, there must have been many shocked faces when they didn't see Portnoy. In fact, the girl crying in the trailer might be a bonus feature of Indonesian fans realizing MP wasn't in the band anymore
Quote from: cyberdrummer on February 12, 2013, 01:28:54 PM
Surely they must have a release date by now?
Not that we know.
I assume it will come with the next preview that has been announced it should be announced soon. :-X
I think that means that they MAY have a release date soon....
Quote from: cyberdrummer on February 12, 2013, 01:28:54 PM
Surely they must have a release date by now?
They do. But they won't tell us...yet. And don't call me Shirley.
-Marc.
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I thought they never met Leslie Nielson?
Quote from: jcmoorehead on February 12, 2013, 03:46:58 PM
Quote from: cyberdrummer on February 12, 2013, 02:36:35 PM
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I thought they never met Leslie Nielson?
:rollin
Quote from: jcmoorehead on February 12, 2013, 03:46:58 PM
Quote from: cyberdrummer on February 12, 2013, 02:36:35 PM
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I thought they never met Leslie Nielson?
Spot on! :clap:
If the release is in May, the song over the cartoon might be a Dream Theater single.. A new one. That would raise the value of this dvd, by A LOT
Quote from: Madman Shepherd on February 09, 2013, 08:19:37 AM
Rap artists that use samples almost always redo the songs themselves. If you use the actual sample from someone elses recording it costs *a lot* more than if you record it yourself. Public Enemy learned this the hard way and basically earned nothing from the first album or two.
OR just make sure the recordings you're sampling are owned by the same record company you're on.
I'm really hoping this feature that OTE productions are teasing for is 360o footage of a song, where we can change the viewpoint. That would be awesome.
Quote from: nikatapi on February 13, 2013, 03:09:38 AM
I'm really hoping this feature that OTE productions are teasing for is 360o footage of a song, where we can change the viewpoint. That would be awesome.
How many of the people who are going to use it when it comes out are going to get in drumkit observing position first? :metal
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on February 13, 2013, 03:16:34 AM
Quote from: nikatapi on February 13, 2013, 03:09:38 AM
I'm really hoping this feature that OTE productions are teasing for is 360o footage of a song, where we can change the viewpoint. That would be awesome.
How many of the people who are going to use it when it comes out are going to get in drumkit observing position first? :metal
Not you! :lol You are going to keep a stalking eye on James and all his motions :rollin
:lol :rollin
Quote from: wasteland on February 13, 2013, 03:18:15 AM
Not you! :lol You are going to keep a stalking eye on James and all his motions :rollin
Assuming I'll have the necessary software, and this might be limited to Bluray so in that case I won't :lol But honestly I would rather keep an eye on JP, just so I could sigh and say "man I must do something with my LIFE" and be off to acquire awesome skills :D
But James would follow. For the priceless gifs.
There's one thing I haven't gotten yet, will this concert-film be Blueray only!?!?!?!?!??! :facepalm:
Quote from: Octavaripolis on February 13, 2013, 03:25:07 AM
There's one thing I haven't gotten yet, will this concert-film be Blueray only!?!?!?!?!??! :facepalm:
Nope, but the 360 thing might, I cannot imagine that fitting into DVDs.
Quote from: Octavaripolis on February 13, 2013, 03:25:07 AM
There's one thing I haven't gotten yet, will this concert-film be Blueray only!?!?!?!?!??! :facepalm:
Of course not, there will be the 2DVD release for those who don't own a BR player! It still remains to be determined which bonus features will be on which media.
Quote from: wasteland on February 13, 2013, 03:28:37 AM
Quote from: Octavaripolis on February 13, 2013, 03:25:07 AM
There's one thing I haven't gotten yet, will this concert-film be Blueray only!?!?!?!?!??! :facepalm:
Of course not, there will be the 2DVD release for those who don't own a BR player! It still remains to be determined which bonus features will be on which media.
Well they better not make any features blu-ray/dvd-specific.. A teenage weakling like me can't afford the dvd AND a blu-ray player. :facepalm:
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on February 13, 2013, 03:27:14 AM
Quote from: Octavaripolis on February 13, 2013, 03:25:07 AM
There's one thing I haven't gotten yet, will this concert-film be Blueray only!?!?!?!?!??! :facepalm:
Nope, but the 360 thing might, I cannot imagine that fitting into DVDs.
I think they clarified that the 360 feature will be a web-based service, so it will probably be accessible via a web browser.
Maybe they'll include some codes in order to get verified and have access to the service, this is one possible solution i think.
Quote from: nikatapi on February 13, 2013, 03:46:13 AM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on February 13, 2013, 03:27:14 AM
Quote from: Octavaripolis on February 13, 2013, 03:25:07 AM
There's one thing I haven't gotten yet, will this concert-film be Blueray only!?!?!?!?!??! :facepalm:
Nope, but the 360 thing might, I cannot imagine that fitting into DVDs.
I think they clarified that the 360 feature will be a web-based service, so it will probably be accessible via a web browser.
Maybe they'll include some codes in order to get verified and have access to the service, this is one possible solution i think.
I am sorry, but where is the announcement regarding the 360 feature?
Quote from: Octavaripolis on February 13, 2013, 03:47:46 AM
I am sorry, but where is the announcement regarding the 360 feature?
I think i read it in the comments of the Over The Edge productions facebook, i don't know exactly in which post, if you feel like digging though, you can go here https://www.facebook.com/OverTheEdgeProductions?fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/OverTheEdgeProductions?fref=ts)
Check this out, i think this is it, although i'm not sure if the link works https://www.facebook.com/OverTheEdgeProductions/posts/184490731674616?comment_id=415332&offset=0&total_comments=36 (https://www.facebook.com/OverTheEdgeProductions/posts/184490731674616?comment_id=415332&offset=0&total_comments=36)
That link also says it's a web based app, so no need for a BluRay player for those without one!
Quote from: nikatapi on February 13, 2013, 03:53:11 AM
Quote from: Octavaripolis on February 13, 2013, 03:47:46 AM
I am sorry, but where is the announcement regarding the 360 feature?
I think i read it in the comments of the Over The Edge productions facebook, i don't know exactly in which post, if you feel like digging though, you can go here https://www.facebook.com/OverTheEdgeProductions?fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/OverTheEdgeProductions?fref=ts)
Check this out, i think this is it, although i'm not sure if the link works https://www.facebook.com/OverTheEdgeProductions/posts/184490731674616?comment_id=415332&offset=0&total_comments=36 (https://www.facebook.com/OverTheEdgeProductions/posts/184490731674616?comment_id=415332&offset=0&total_comments=36)
Thank you! :)
if you want to see an example of the 360° technology you can check this video from Muse, it will be the same thing for the Live at Luna Park:
https://muse.mu/360app/360reading.htm
Quote from: nikatapi on February 13, 2013, 03:46:13 AM
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on February 13, 2013, 03:27:14 AM
Quote from: Octavaripolis on February 13, 2013, 03:25:07 AM
There's one thing I haven't gotten yet, will this concert-film be Blueray only!?!?!?!?!??! :facepalm:
Nope, but the 360 thing might, I cannot imagine that fitting into DVDs.
I think they clarified that the 360 feature will be a web-based service, so it will probably be accessible via a web browser.
Maybe they'll include some codes in order to get verified and have access to the service, this is one possible solution i think.
Oh that would be super awesome.
Quote from: Dreamer81 on February 13, 2013, 04:08:45 AM
if you want to see an example of the 360° technology you can check this video from Muse, it will be the same thing for the Live at Luna Park:
https://muse.mu/360app/360reading.htm
Sweet!
Hopefully it will last longer than those clips ! :P
QuoteOver the Edge Productions Sorry guys... We've been asked to hold of until next week by the DT team. Wish these things were completely up to us!! We're really excited to show you!!
16 febbraio alle ore 19.53
This has been written last week.
So next week means this week.
Well, now at least we have a release date for whatever 2nd trailer, announcement or stuff is coming out next. Better than nothing.
We have a announcement of a trailer of a DVD. How lovely.
Quote from: SeRoX on February 20, 2013, 06:10:00 AM
We have a announcement of a trailer of a DVD. How lovely.
The big announcement we're waiting is the release date of the trailer which will announce the special features of the 3rd trailer, which will reveal the release date of the DVD, which will include a link to a trailer revealing the release date of the Bluray, which will include a special feature that unlocks a commentary that will give away the location of the golden ticket which will enable you to download the hidden bonus track with a QR code embedded in the artwork, which will link you to a free download of Raw Dog.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on February 20, 2013, 06:16:58 AM
Quote from: SeRoX on February 20, 2013, 06:10:00 AM
We have a announcement of a trailer of a DVD. How lovely.
The big announcement we're waiting is the release date of the trailer which will announce the special features of the 3rd trailer, which will reveal the release date of the DVD, which will include a link to a trailer revealing the release date of the Bluray, which will include a special feature that unlocks a commentary that will give away the location of the golden ticket which will enable you to download the hidden bonus track with a QR code embedded in the artwork, which will link you to a free download of Raw Dog.
Over The Edge, is that you? :D
Quote from: BlobVanDam on February 20, 2013, 06:16:58 AM
Quote from: SeRoX on February 20, 2013, 06:10:00 AM
We have a announcement of a trailer of a DVD. How lovely.
The big announcement we're waiting is the release date of the trailer which will announce the special features of the 3rd trailer, which will reveal the release date of the DVD, which will include a link to a trailer revealing the release date of the Bluray, which will include a special feature that unlocks a commentary that will give away the location of the golden ticket which will enable you to download the hidden bonus track with a QR code embedded in the artwork, which will link you to a free download of Raw Dog.
So you mean this link which leads you to download Raw Dog could be the least clicked link ever on DTF history.
"Dream Theater Live at Luna Park trailer pop up fact... Everything was cut on Final Cut Pro. Thanks to Over The Edge for the facts!"
Am I the only one getting annoyed by these updates every morning? :rollin
I always expect something important but it's always just the trailer
Quote from: OsMosis2259 on February 20, 2013, 06:38:15 AM
"Dream Theater Live at Luna Park trailer pop up fact... Everything was cut on Final Cut Pro. Thanks to Over The Edge for the facts!"
Am I the only one getting annoyed by these updates every morning? :rollin
I always expect something important but it's always just the trailer
The other day's fact was that people lined up for hours. Today's face is that it was edited on a common piece of editing software. Are they already at the point of scraping the most obvious and un-insightful facts they can?
Mike Mangini is Dream Theater's new drummer. Thanks to Over The Edge for the facts!
The show was being filmed in Argentina!
The show was performed by Dream Theater. Thanks to Captain Obvious for the facts!
Quote from: BlobVanDam on February 20, 2013, 06:42:06 AM
Quote from: OsMosis2259 on February 20, 2013, 06:38:15 AM
"Dream Theater Live at Luna Park trailer pop up fact... Everything was cut on Final Cut Pro. Thanks to Over The Edge for the facts!"
Am I the only one getting annoyed by these updates every morning? :rollin
I always expect something important but it's always just the trailer
The other day's fact was that people lined up for hours. Today's face is that it was edited on a common piece of editing software. Are they already at the point of scraping the most obvious and un-insightful facts they can?
Mike Mangini is Dream Theater's new drummer. Thanks to Over The Edge for the facts!
Fact: Dream Theater is a band.
Jay Beckenstein was in Spyro Gyra. Many thanks from James LaBrie to Over The Edge for the factual conclusive evidence.
By the grace of God above, everyone survived. Many thanks to John Petrucci for the confirmation.
Quote from: wasteland on February 20, 2013, 07:24:57 AM
Jay Beckenstein was in Spyro Gyra. Many thanks from James LaBrie to Over The Edge for the factual conclusive evidence.
This is technically not fully correct--he
is in Spyro Gyra.
Well, the fact that he is does not exclude that he was, right?
Anyway:
We need a spinoff thread for this. Thanks to Over The Edge for the idea.
Quote from: wasteland on February 20, 2013, 07:24:57 AM
Images & Words was recorded at Beartracks Studios. Many thanks from James LaBrie to Over The Edge for the factual conclusive evidence.
Quote from: OsMosis2259 on February 20, 2013, 06:38:15 AM
"Dream Theater Live at Luna Park trailer pop up fact... Everything was cut on Final Cut Pro. Thanks to Over The Edge for the facts!"
Dream Theatre , plssss come to Indonesia
Every breath leaves me one less to my last. Thanks to Kevin Moore for the facts!
Thanks to JMX for the facts.
:rollin
When do pre orders start?
Dude, the pre-order was for a limited number, and they sold out. Get with it.
Quote from: bosk1 on February 20, 2013, 01:47:18 PM
Dude, the pre-order was for a limited number, and they sold out. Get with it.
6 to be exact.
all of my wut
Quote from: bosk1 on February 20, 2013, 01:47:18 PM
Dude, the pre-order was for a limited number, and they sold out. Get with it.
I heard that MP pre-ordered every single one of them :o
:psychosane:
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I can't avvie quote myself, it's against the etiquette, so I clinged to the closest available picture :biggrin:
I expected more youtube views on the trailer... doesn't even have 200k yet. :sadpanda:
^ I didn't watch it, kinda excited about seeing it on BluRay for the first time heh
New intie with Mike Leonard: https://www.dreamtheater.com.ar/noticias/we-interview-mike-leonard-presidento-of-over-the-edge-production/
Quote
What special features can we expect for the bluray/dvd?
The Bluray and DVD will include up to a half hour of documentary bonus segments plus bonus songs and other goodies that are to be announced.
What about the length of the bluray/dvd?
The main concert is just under 3 hours.
1) The IaW anniversary performances?
2) Does the "all songs minus repetitions" setlist line up with this length?
Interesting stuff :3
1) Very likely, but I would say that the relevant tracks from Hutington (TLF, Paradigm and 21st Century) are even more likely!
2) I think so. The main show was approximately 2,5h long, and the additional songs from the second night should count to 30-40 minutes.
Quote from: wasteland on February 21, 2013, 03:58:33 AMI would say that the relevant tracks from Hutington (TLF, Paradigm and 21st Century) are even more likely!
Fingers crossed for this. :metal
Maybe The Great Debate from the High Voltage show too?
Quote from: cyberdrummer on February 21, 2013, 05:17:35 AM
Maybe The Great Debate from the High Voltage show too?
The leading theory (within my brain) is that the HV will be eventually released in full as a YJ bootleg, being that a full recording of it exists somewhere. It wouldn't make much sense to stuff one song from that show in the DVD, if that's the band intention.
Since TGD was on Score, I don't really think we need another one. For bonus songs, I'd like to see TCOT.
Quote from: Another_Won on February 21, 2013, 05:42:05 AM
Since TGD was on Score, I don't really think we need another one. For bonus songs, I'd like to see TCOT.
^This!
I am more interested in the other goodies that have yet to be announced. If they NEED to be announced then it's likely that they are somewhat superior to bonus songs, right? Because those weren't officially announced or confirmed in any way before this interview came out today.
So it can't just be a tour photo gallery or Blob's animations (which I love, but I'm sure most agree aren't that big of a bonus features as extra songs are :D ).
I just too tired to browse the pages of this thread if this has been discussed already, but..
One of the 360 degree cameras is in the centre in the front of audience. Camera shoot here: https://www.mativision.com/
Good new fact!
Quote from: DTFBDream Theater Live at Luna Park trailer pop up fact... Each song was meticulously broken down on paper for the assistant director, Chris Paul, who would constantly be reading off what was coming up next so director, Mike Leonard, could direct the cameras. Thanks to Over The Edge for the facts.
Nice :tup
Seems a bit weird..
Wouldn't you just have a camera for each guy so as not to mis anything ?
Quote from: Kotowboy on February 22, 2013, 05:04:13 AM
Seems a bit weird..
Wouldn't you just have a camera for each guy so as not to mis anything ?
Not necessarily. If JP is about to go into Killzone mode, you'd want at least 4 or 5 cameras on him... You know, in the event a few of them die.
Quote from: wasteland on February 22, 2013, 03:48:37 AM
Good new fact!
Quote from: DTFBDream Theater Live at Luna Park trailer pop up fact... Each song was meticulously broken down on paper for the assistant director, Chris Paul, who would constantly be reading off what was coming up next so director, Mike Leonard, could direct the cameras. Thanks to Over The Edge for the facts.
Thanks to Over the Edge for the facts, indeed.
Quote from: Chino on February 22, 2013, 06:21:33 AM
Quote from: Kotowboy on February 22, 2013, 05:04:13 AM
Seems a bit weird..
Wouldn't you just have a camera for each guy so as not to mis anything ?
Not necessarily. If JP is about to go into Killzone mode, you'd want at least 4 or 4 cameras on him... You know, in the event a few of them die.
k
The camera moves quite a bit in the trailer, so it'd be real convenient to say, "Swing that camera around the drumkit....now!".
I am at least glad they studied the music in order to get the best possible shots for the DVD. Props to OTE.
QuoteFinal Fact - The bonus features give an All Access look at some of the behind the scenes rituals, including some Jalapeños, yoga and Mike Mangini in his underwear...?
:rollin
:|
Quote from: Nest777 on February 23, 2013, 04:13:18 AM
QuoteFinal Fact - The bonus features give an All Access look at some of the behind the scenes rituals, including some Jalapeños, yoga and Mike Mangini in his underwear...?
:rollin
So their rituals and secrets won't remain a mystery? :neverusethis:
Quote from: Nest777 on February 23, 2013, 04:13:18 AM
QuoteFinal Fact - The bonus features give an All Access look at some of the behind the scenes rituals, including some Jalapeños, yoga and Mike Mangini in his underwear...?
:rollin
Is this for real? Oh, lord! :lol
And moar facts, pls :D
I'm not sure will I be skipping that or replaying that. :|
...Yes, replaying, because I will be giffing that :lol FOR SCIENCE
I sense a new dawn for female DT fans :eyebrows:
Quote from: wasteland on February 23, 2013, 05:10:59 AM
I sense a new dawn for female DT fans :eyebrows:
The smile of which will arrive early May, when I carry the gif from my home.
Quote from: ResultsMayVary on February 22, 2013, 06:22:44 PM
I am at least glad they studied the music in order to get the best possible shots for the DVD. Props to OTE.
I would hope that's the case for all concert dvds. It makes sense... kind of how you can tell the official bootlegs apart (besides quality) is the filming often misses the person soloing and whatnot.
Quote from: Nest777 on February 23, 2013, 04:13:18 AM
QuoteFinal Fact - The bonus features give an All Access look at some of the behind the scenes rituals, including some Jalapeños, yoga and Mike Mangini in his underwear...?
:rollin
We will get to see how tooooooooned he is......
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on February 23, 2013, 05:16:27 AM
Quote from: wasteland on February 23, 2013, 05:10:59 AM
I sense a new dawn for female DT fans :eyebrows:
The smile of which will arrive early May, when I carry the gif from my home.
:lol
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I am at least glad they studied the music in order to get the best possible shots for the DVD. Props to OTE.
I would hope that's the case for all concert dvds. It makes sense... kind of how you can tell the official bootlegs apart (besides quality) is the filming often misses the person soloing and whatnot.
This is normally done. For L@B we watched all of that leg to get the notes for cameras. For Score, not only did we see many shows leading up to RCMH, but supplied CD's of the music to the crew. On all big shoots, you can pretty much count on music cues being taken.
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I am at least glad they studied the music in order to get the best possible shots for the DVD. Props to OTE.
I would hope that's the case for all concert dvds. It makes sense... kind of how you can tell the official bootlegs apart (besides quality) is the filming often misses the person soloing and whatnot.
This is normally done. For L@B we watched all of that leg to get the notes for cameras. For Score, not only did we see many shows leading up to RCMH, but supplied CD's of the music to the crew. On all big shoots, you can pretty much count on music cues being taken.
Hi bob! Long time no see you ;)
And very cool information here, I didn't know you were involved in the recording process! :)
Quote from: wasteland on February 23, 2013, 08:10:23 AM
Quote from: bobs23 on February 23, 2013, 08:06:59 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on February 23, 2013, 05:19:08 AM
Quote from: ResultsMayVary on February 22, 2013, 06:22:44 PM
I am at least glad they studied the music in order to get the best possible shots for the DVD. Props to OTE.
I would hope that's the case for all concert dvds. It makes sense... kind of how you can tell the official bootlegs apart (besides quality) is the filming often misses the person soloing and whatnot.
This is normally done. For L@B we watched all of that leg to get the notes for cameras. For Score, not only did we see many shows leading up to RCMH, but supplied CD's of the music to the crew. On all big shoots, you can pretty much count on music cues being taken.
Hi bob! Long time no see you ;)
And very cool information here, I didn't know you were involved in the recording process! :)
Ya, I have done a couple of shows. ;)
Quote from: bobs23 on February 23, 2013, 08:22:00 AM
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Quote from: bobs23 on February 23, 2013, 08:06:59 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on February 23, 2013, 05:19:08 AM
Quote from: ResultsMayVary on February 22, 2013, 06:22:44 PM
I am at least glad they studied the music in order to get the best possible shots for the DVD. Props to OTE.
I would hope that's the case for all concert dvds. It makes sense... kind of how you can tell the official bootlegs apart (besides quality) is the filming often misses the person soloing and whatnot.
This is normally done. For L@B we watched all of that leg to get the notes for cameras. For Score, not only did we see many shows leading up to RCMH, but supplied CD's of the music to the crew. On all big shoots, you can pretty much count on music cues being taken.
Hi bob! Long time no see you ;)
And very cool information here, I didn't know you were involved in the recording process! :)
Ya, I have done a couple of shows. ;)
Yes, Bob is a total newb with this stuff. :laugh:
so since it says final fact...does that mean the next thing to come is more real news?
Credit # 1 : Sound was mixed by JP and some randomer : Thanks to Over The Edge for the first CREDIT !
Quote from: ? on February 23, 2013, 04:14:46 AM
Quote from: Nest777 on February 23, 2013, 04:13:18 AM
QuoteFinal Fact - The bonus features give an All Access look at some of the behind the scenes rituals, including some Jalapeños, yoga and Mike Mangini in his underwear...?
:rollin
So their rituals and secrets won't remain a mystery? :neverusethis:
:clap:
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Quote from: cramx3 on February 23, 2013, 05:19:08 AM
Quote from: ResultsMayVary on February 22, 2013, 06:22:44 PM
I am at least glad they studied the music in order to get the best possible shots for the DVD. Props to OTE.
I would hope that's the case for all concert dvds. It makes sense... kind of how you can tell the official bootlegs apart (besides quality) is the filming often misses the person soloing and whatnot.
This is normally done. For L@B we watched all of that leg to get the notes for cameras. For Score, not only did we see many shows leading up to RCMH, but supplied CD's of the music to the crew. On all big shoots, you can pretty much count on music cues being taken.
Hi bob! Long time no see you ;)
And very cool information here, I didn't know you were involved in the recording process! :)
Ya, I have done a couple of shows. ;)
Awesome, thanks for the input from in insider :metal
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on February 23, 2013, 05:16:27 AM
Quote from: wasteland on February 23, 2013, 05:10:59 AM
I sense a new dawn for female DT fans :eyebrows:
The smile of which will arrive early May, when I carry the gif from my home.
Holy shit legit LOL. :D
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on February 23, 2013, 05:16:27 AM
Quote from: wasteland on February 23, 2013, 05:10:59 AM
I sense a new dawn for female DT fans :eyebrows:
The smile of which will arrive early May, when I carry the gif from my home.
MoraWintersoul everybody! :lol
why is there still no new information ??? >:( ???
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Well at this rate there will be no need for pre-orders ;D
And OTE are saying that they are having to wait for the band/the management to give them the go-ahead to release more info. So who knows when its* coming?
* The information/The trailer and/or The actual disc
Over the Edge Productions: Ok guys.. Sorry for the false alarm, but we're at the mercy of DT and when they want to release things... But you won't be disappointed coming soon! (As in this week, we promise!)
;)
Deja vu
Quote from: JayOctavarium on March 11, 2013, 10:08:43 PM
Deja vu
Strange deja vu?
It's been 3-4 weeks since they said they'd have something new already. At least there's no excuse for this to be anything less than perfect!
edit: Dangit, Myung'd by Nest777. How dare you get in on the obvious joke before me! :lol
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They replied to my message today
Thanks to YtseCullen for the facts!
You're welcome TheGreatPretender for the facts :lol :tup
QuoteOver the Edge Productions
Ok guys.. Sorry for the false alarm, but we're at the mercy of DT and when they want to release things... But you won't be disappointed ;) coming soon! (As in this week, we promise!)
This was posted 7hours ago,on March 12, 2013. Just in case...
Quote from: wasteland on March 01, 2013, 07:00:10 AM
In a couple of hours they are going to post a status update about how sorry they are that things are moving along slowly, that it's not completely in their hands and that they are quite postive that we will be given something interesting within next week. And stay assured, we're going to fall for it again, and again and again :lol
They are driving us Over The Edge...
And that too.. Is a Fact. :hat
Quote from: Nest777 on March 11, 2013, 10:07:05 PM
Over the Edge Productions: Ok guys.. Sorry for the false alarm, but we're at the mercy of DT and when they want to release things... But you won't be disappointed coming soon! (As in this week, we promise!)
;)
So I think they deleted this post because I can't find it on their page.. :sadpanda:
They had to when they realized that weeks are not 43 days long :lol
That must be it, Those lying bastards >:(
Quote from: YtseCullen on March 15, 2013, 09:36:08 AM
That must be it, Those lying bastards >:(
Add a joke tag or a sarcasm green if you don't want someone to misunderstand your humor. Because it was humor... right? :eek
Quote from: wasteland on March 15, 2013, 09:39:23 AM
Because it was humor... right? :eek
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Quote from: YtseCullen on March 15, 2013, 09:33:11 AM
Quote from: Nest777 on March 11, 2013, 10:07:05 PM
Over the Edge Productions: Ok guys.. Sorry for the false alarm, but we're at the mercy of DT and when they want to release things... But you won't be disappointed coming soon! (As in this week, we promise!)
;)
So I think they deleted this post because I can't find it on their page.. :sadpanda:
it was never a post, its a comment on another post. its still there
Quote from: wasteland on March 15, 2013, 09:39:23 AM
Quote from: YtseCullen on March 15, 2013, 09:36:08 AM
That must be it, Those lying bastards >:(
Add a joke tag or a sarcasm green if you don't want someone to misunderstand your humor. Because it was humor... right? :eek
Fixed ;) I guess that's what happens when I'm typing and rushing to class
So Friday rolls around and no news. What do you reckon are the odds we dont see anything in the next few days?? :/
100%
News of what? It's been so long I have forgotten what we were waiting for...
We'll hear some details the week before it goes on sale.
On the internet - " soon " means any time between right this second and " never ".
Well, theres got to.be some geniuses at OTE. They come on once every couple of weeks and promise updates and somehow, without even posting anything, they are keeping the interest levels there!!
Quote from: Jinx on March 15, 2013, 04:15:18 PM
Well, theres got to.be some geniuses at OTE. They come on once every couple of weeks and promise updates and somehow, without even posting anything, they are keeping the interest levels there!!
Speak for yourself, I've spent the last few weeks not giving a shit! Which, yes, I'm being flippant, but DT are very much on the backburner for me right now. Nothing public happening, not excited, not interested!
Not complaining, either. I think these things have to come in waves or it'd be tiring. I'll be giddy with anticipation when the new album's on its way - but with MP's split dominating this phase of the last cycle, this is the least interesting Dream Theater's been in four years. The new DVD doesn't even exist, yet, in my head - shit-giving will only commence when I've seen the cover art! And in the meantime, plenty of more exciting things to be a fan of.
Fair dues, I couldnt be more pumped for it. That first trailer alone whetted my appetite and I cannot wait for more updates. Will bring back great memories of the Wembley gig (the popping of my DT cherry)
To be honest they can't keep building it up (swear to god if someone makes a referance...) If it sucks (which is unlikely but possible) they would look absolutely stupid for an epic build up...
I'm not sure I could care less about this at this point. I need something to whet my appetite, empty promises to give us actual news is not enough for me.
Quote from: jonnybaxy on March 15, 2013, 08:32:37 PM
To be honest they can't keep building it up (swear to god if someone makes a referance...) If it sucks (which is unlikely but possible) they would look absolutely stupid for an epic build up...
Who's building it up? It seems to me like it's the fans doing all the building, not the band or the crew.
Well OTE are constantly reminding us of an awesome update that never arrives. The trailer, all the facts, basically not letting it escape our minds for a moment
I wish they would just break it down for us already...
They build us up, they break us down.
And we're falling to pieces.
:neverusethis:
We crash and burn
We never learn...
Over the Edge, falling in and out of time...
Whoops, wrong band :neverusethis:
IT'S TIME TO TAKE THE TIME
Now that my time has come
Now that my life is done
We look into the sun...
Quote from: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 16, 2013, 02:56:33 AM
Now that my time has come
Now that my life is done
We look into the sun...
...I can see much clearer now I'm blind... :biggrin:
"I once could see but now at last I'm blind"
"I was blind but now I see"
Make up your mind, Kevin! :lol
Here I go
I'm coming downtown
wanna look around your town
I'm gonna buy the biggest fuckin thing
And then I'm then gonna deep down
I gonna go, back home, with that fuckin thing
Gonna give it to my
Wife
Is that the official AD for the BD/2DVD/3CD Super Deluxe "The Biggest Fucking Thing" Edition of Live At Luna Park? ::)
Quote from: wasteland on March 16, 2013, 03:03:51 AM
Is that the official AD for the BD/2DVD/3CD Super Deluxe "The Biggest Fucking Thing" Edition of Live At Luna Park? ::)
They could do worse.
I actually thought this was the Lyric Continuation Game thread by for a sec...hence my lyrics! :facepalm: :lol
Quote from: Nest777 on March 11, 2013, 10:07:05 PM
Over the Edge Productions: Ok guys.. Sorry for the false alarm, but we're at the mercy of DT and when they want to release things... But you won't be disappointed coming soon! (As in this week, we promise!)
;)
Durr...
another week passed and still no video...I'm sad.... :-\
Quote from: Dreamer81 on March 17, 2013, 03:51:31 AM
another week passed and still no video...I'm sad.... :-\
Hopefully this next one will be the one. :smiley:
Well they did "promise" this week not next so it's kind of hard to take anything they say seriously at this point... although the new week starts on monday in my part of the world so I guess they have another 10 hours or so before I completely give up on anything OTE says regarding new DT clips...
People are way too impatient and imprudent. They've plagued OTE productions' facebook with "DT VIDEO PLS YOU GUYS SUCK THERS NO INFO AT ALL....MIKEPORTNEY PLS INDONESIA" comments. They've already said they're at DT's mercy and that things will be released when DT wishes so. That being said, DT VIDEO PLS. :D
Well... on a second thought maybe OTE made this to themselves, by announcing something that wasn't really on them to announce.
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 17, 2013, 09:06:20 AM
"DT VIDEO PLS YOU GUYS SUCK THERS NO INFO AT ALL....MIKEPORTNEY PLS INDONESIA"
I love you :biggrin:
I don't even give a damn anymore, to be honest. Maybe we'll get the details, a teaser, etc. one day before the release date if we're lucky.
Every time this thread gets updated with a non-update about how there aren't any updates, a fairy loses its wings.
I do think it's kind of silly that OTE be all like HEADS UP NOPE. I'm totally fine waiting. But it's such a ding dong way of doing.
At this point, OTE should have just provided no insight as to when anything was to be released. :lol
"So ya wanna know more info on the dvd? Well we ain't gonna tell ya... so you can eat my ass and balls... oh yea you can eat my ass and balls... "
If I had to make a guess, I would say they're holding off on the trailer until the whole DVD/Bluray is complete and they can put a release date on it?
It is pretty bogus this whole thing is going so slow but eh, in the end it doesn't affect me much.
Kinda reminds me of how long it took them to announce The Spirit Caries On video.
Even then they said wait til tomorrow for an announcement and everyone was all like, "Ohhhh, so now we have an announcement that there is going to be an announcement!?!?!"
Oh well...all will be forgotten when it comes out.
Hopefully (and I think likely) it will be worth the wait. :smiley:
This is bullshit... They haven't even released the specific details of what's in the different editions or preorders. This DVD is being held back like it's a Francis Ford Coppola masterpiece. If the trailer isn't even ready what hope have we of the Blu-Ray? Will they all be recalled like the glitch that happened with Budokan too??
Quote from: KISS 76 on March 17, 2013, 03:01:02 PM
This is bullshit... They haven't even released the specific details of what's in the different editions or preorders. This DVD is being held back like it's a Francis Ford Coppola masterpiece. If the trailer isn't even ready what hope have we of the Blu-Ray? Will they all be recalled like the glitch that happened with Budokan too??
Whoa there buddy! Easy. I want the news and the Blu Ray like you do but when they are happy with the outcome then they will release everything like Blob said.
And BTW shouldn't you have the word "Spirit" in you name.
KISS Army representing! :metal
Guys, if we can wait for the new DT drummer announcement, we can wait for the cows to come home.
Mike Portnoy leaves DT: September 8, 2010
Mike Mangini announced as DT's new drummer: April 29, 2011
Period of Wait: 233 days
Luna Park Concert [night 2]: August 20, 2012
Today: March 17, 2013
Period of Wait: 209 days
Getting there...
Quote from: ResultsMayVary on March 17, 2013, 07:48:55 PM
Mike Portnoy leaves DT: September 8, 2010
Mike Mangini announced as DT's new drummer: April 29, 2011
Period of Wait: 233 days
Luna Park Concert [night 2]: August 20, 2012
Today: March 17, 2013
Period of Wait: 209 days
Getting there...
You sir... are a genius. :tup
I'm thinking we won't see the new trailer until the DVD/BD is finished to be honest. From a sales-oriented point of view it would make a lot of sense to release it the day the official release date is announced and the product becomes available for pre-ordering.
AND HERE IT IS!!! OFFICIAL TRAILER #2 WITH MANGINI'S UNDERWEAR !!!!
buhahahaha, just kidding. They will release it under this week. okay. sorry.
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on March 17, 2013, 10:35:07 AM
Every time this thread gets updated with a non-update about how there aren't any updates, a fairy loses its wings.
Another one bites the dust.
I wasn't even expecting a new trailer or a release date... that isn't what OTE put forward over a month ago. They asked if we "wanted to see one of the bonus features on the Dream Theater DVD" which I definitely thought would have been cool... I'm not loosing sleep over it or anything but no info would have been better than wrong info IMO.
Quote from: TheLordOfTheStrings on March 18, 2013, 02:12:28 AM
Quote from: ResultsMayVary on March 17, 2013, 07:48:55 PM
Mike Portnoy leaves DT: September 8, 2010
Mike Mangini announced as DT's new drummer: April 29, 2011
Period of Wait: 233 days
Luna Park Concert [night 2]: August 20, 2012
Today: March 17, 2013
Period of Wait: 209 days
Getting there...
You sir... are a genius. :tup
Thanks! :biggrin:
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It's being rumored that this is the official Live at Luna Park cover. The source says that it is form Amazon, but I can't find it anywhere. Seems legit, though.
Quote from: Nest777 on March 21, 2013, 12:42:29 PM
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It's being rumored that this is the official Live at Luna Park cover. The source says that it is form Amazon, but I can't find it anywhere. Seems legit, though.
We have discussed this in the "dvd trailer" sticky topic - apparently it's from amazon.jp :hat
Oh, I see. Well, now it's here too ;D
The city skyline under the plane is new, though. The original picture that was rumored to be the cover was just the airplane in the sky.
Quote from: ResultsMayVary on March 21, 2013, 12:53:13 PM
The city skyline under the plane is new, though. The original picture that was rumored to be the cover was just the airplane in the sky.
Yes, but it should be said that now the cover art fits better the expected w/h ratio for DVDs. Also the transition between the sky and the city is too smoth and good to be fake.
Wow that looks great! :metal
Quote from: wasteland on March 21, 2013, 12:55:01 PM
Quote from: ResultsMayVary on March 21, 2013, 12:53:13 PM
The city skyline under the plane is new, though. The original picture that was rumored to be the cover was just the airplane in the sky.
Yes, but it should be said that now the cover art fits better the expected w/h ratio for DVDs. Also the transition between the sky and the city is too smoth and good to be fake.
I will agree with you there. I do prefer the picture with the skyline over the one without it. Not to mention the w/h ratios are close to being right, like you pointed out. It definitely has my approval. :tup
This one also seems to have a little shadow under the cyclist... looks a little less cut-and-pasted. Maybe the amazon.co.jp one was an earlier draft.
I dig it. :tup
Yes, the skyline definitely makes it all look a good deal less amateurish, as well as making a lot of sense compositionally wise.
It's pretty cool.
Though I wonder how the unicyclist got from a rope above the plane into the plane's turbine... :P
Quote from: Scorpion on March 21, 2013, 01:04:20 PM
It's pretty cool.
Though I wonder how the unicyclist got from a rope above the plane into the plane's turbine... :P
The rope snapped. It's fraying on the cover and everything!
Quote from: robwebster on March 21, 2013, 01:06:06 PM
The rope snapped. It's fraying on the cover and everything!
The rope snapped? That's a dramatic turn, isn't it?
Quote from: robwebster on March 21, 2013, 01:06:06 PM
Quote from: Scorpion on March 21, 2013, 01:04:20 PM
It's pretty cool.
Though I wonder how the unicyclist got from a rope above the plane into the plane's turbine... :P
The rope snapped. It's fraying on the cover and everything!
And all this without even moving a muscle once. :D
Well, if that's true, then that was a pretty lucky landing that he landed there. I mean, he looks none the worse for wear, doesn't he (I think that expression is correct...)?
Quote from: Scorpion on March 21, 2013, 01:04:20 PM
Though I wonder how the unicyclist got from a rope above the plane into the plane's turbine... :P
Crossing bridges in the sky :justjen
Small wonder he actually managed sitting on the unicycle while being sucked in. Too bad not everyone survived... roar.
The clown is the Count of Tuscany.
How is he not getting sucked in?
If you take a closer look he looks like he is... in a very black-holeish fashion :D
For what it's worth, I'm not entirely convinced that's the right dimensions. I haven't measured it, but the JPG is square, and even accounting for the white bits, it looks rather... wide, for a DVD cover. It does have a ring of truth to it, though - it's very Hugh Syme. I'm quite confident it's legitimate, but not sure it's final. It might be for the CD, rather than the DVD?
...If anyone's actually measured it, I'll shut up!
Is this unicycle duder DT's official mascot now?
looks about the right size for a bluray, and the early version without the skyline might be the cd version, since it was square..
Quote from: Pols Voice on March 21, 2013, 04:32:26 PM
Is this unicycle duder DT's official mascot now?
I doubt it. He's likely used here just because it's a DVD of the ADTOE tour, like how the CiM DVD has ants on it which are from the SC cover.
It's a great cover although I don't really see the "sense" of the plane especially if you compare it to Maiden who were travelling in their own plane across the world..... but ok, it looks great and that's enough.....
Quote from: wasteland on March 21, 2013, 02:36:44 PM
If you take a closer look he looks like he is... in a very black-holeish fashion :D
That explains it, it's just a still from the moment the unicyclist crossed the even horizon.
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I'm sure there's a joke to be made about bending time but I can't think of anything now.
:clap:
Blargh. They're still squishing the logo like they did on ADTOE. Blargh, I say.
Still buy it though. :metal
Quote from: Vahvahenki on March 21, 2013, 05:26:47 PM
Quote from: wasteland on March 21, 2013, 02:36:44 PM
If you take a closer look he looks like he is... in a very black-holeish fashion :D
That explains it, it's just a still from the moment the unicyclist crossed the even horizon.
(https://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i374/WhatABoringName/BlackHolesAndSilverAirplanes-11.gif)
I'm sure there's a joke to be made about bending time but I can't think of anything now.
You have just become my personal hero. Hold yourself ingreat esteem for that. :D :hefdaddy
A Dramatic Horizon Of Events
By the way, has anyone noticed that the price listed on the japanese amazon is roughly 75€ that is to say 97$? :|
I guess that includes shipping from Japan, via Jupiter and Mordor.
Quote from: Zydar on March 22, 2013, 12:36:55 AM
I guess that includes shipping from Japan, via Jupiter and Mordor.
I would hope so. 75€ is something I would grudgingly spend only for the DVD+BD+3CD deluxe box. It's quite some price, to be honest.
Don't know about Blurays and DVDs, but CDs are always much more expensive in Japan than in other parts of the world - that's why they often get some bonus tracks. Considering that, I don't think that's a completely unrealistic price for a Japanese DVD/BD/3CD release.
Quote from: ? on March 22, 2013, 12:43:30 AM
Don't know about Blurays and DVDs, but CDs are always much more expensive in Japan than in other parts of the world - that's why they often get some bonus tracks. Considering that, I don't think that's a completely unrealistic price for a Japanese DVD/BD/3CD release.
I hope this doesn't mean that the bonus tracks from the second night won't be available worldwide. That would be sad, even though it's hardly a realistical possibility.
Don't worry, exclusive bonus tracks are usually just for CDs - I'm sure we will get them as well! :)
Quote from: ? on March 22, 2013, 12:49:56 AM
Don't worry, bonus tracks are usually just for CDs - I'm sure we will get them as well! :)
I'm also a bit disappointed by the release date, I hoped to receive the set as a birthday present, but it seems that it will be quite belated. :laugh:
Quote from: wasteland on March 22, 2013, 12:47:23 AM
I hope this doesn't mean that the bonus tracks from the second night won't be available worldwide. That would be sad, even though it's hardly a realistical possibility.
I'm pretty sure that only applies to studio CDs. Which actually really sucks, because they get new original material in Japan, and the North American audience literally have no way of getting it short of importing or illegally downloading.
The same goes for us EU citizens. Why did only Japan have to get Eve on Awake? :censored
Yeah, it sucks, but the record labels in Japan need some extra for the albums so that everyone won't just buy cheap imported versions of the albums.
Quote from: ? on March 22, 2013, 12:58:58 AM
Yeah, it sucks, but the record labels in Japan need some extra for the albums so that everyone won't just buy cheap imported versions of the albums.
Yeah, well, they could have like, live versions of some songs. Or remixes, or something. But new, original songs that will never see official releases outside of that country? No fair.
Some bands do have bonus live tracks on the Japanese editions, but maybe the Japanese labels encourage to record something extra in the studio, because new original songs will always get the albums more buyers. However, DT haven't recorded any B-sides (unless you count Raw Dog) since FII era, so one could say we're lucky.
Quote from: ? on March 22, 2013, 01:10:45 AM
Some bands do have bonus live tracks on the Japanese editions, but maybe the Japanese labels encourage to record something extra in the studio, because new original songs will always get the albums more buyers. However, DT haven't recorded any B-sides (unless you count Raw Dog) since FII era, so one could say we're lucky.
Oh yeah, for sure. I am referring to several of my other favorite bands, specifically. Still, I feel like all that bonus stuff should be released in some capacity in other countries. Maybe even as a "Japanese Bonus Track Compilation" type CD.
Quote from: wasteland on March 22, 2013, 12:50:52 AM
I'm also a bit disappointed by the release date, I hoped to receive the set as a birthday present, but it seems that it will be quite belated. :laugh:
Same. I was hoping for early May, since I'm going on fieldwork for my study in early May. But it seems I'll have to wait to see this DVD until late June :(
Quote from: Onno on March 22, 2013, 01:39:53 AM
Quote from: wasteland on March 22, 2013, 12:50:52 AM
I'm also a bit disappointed by the release date, I hoped to receive the set as a birthday present, but it seems that it will be quite belated. :laugh:
Same. I was hoping for early May, since I'm going on fieldwork for my study in early May. But it seems I'll have to wait to see this DVD until late June :(
Where does it say the release date, exactly?
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on March 22, 2013, 01:43:16 AM
Where does it say the release date, exactly?
It's May 15, as mentioned in the stickied thread.
Quote from: ? on March 22, 2013, 01:44:20 AM
It's May 15, as mentioned in the stickied thread.
Okay, that's what I thought. I just thought maybe there was news of a delay, since people are saying they're disappointed in the release date.
Quote from: ? on March 22, 2013, 01:44:20 AM
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on March 22, 2013, 01:43:16 AM
Where does it say the release date, exactly?
It's May 15, as mentioned in the stickied thread.
If it would've been 5 days earlier, I would've been able to watch it before I'd go away for 6 weeks :/
Quote from: Onno on March 22, 2013, 03:05:45 AM
Quote from: ? on March 22, 2013, 01:44:20 AM
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on March 22, 2013, 01:43:16 AM
Where does it say the release date, exactly?
It's May 15, as mentioned in the stickied thread.
If it would've been 5 days earlier, I would've been able to watch it before I'd go away for 6 weeks :/
If it was 2 weeks later, I wouldn't have been able to watch it before I go away for 2 years. ;)
Email the management with your case and ask for an early promotional copy :biggrin:
:lol
Something like this?
Dear Over The Edge,
Due to my quickly approaching missionary service to my church, I will not have much of an opportunity to listen to/watch the new Dream Theater live album: Live at Luna Park. As such, I request a promotional copy so I may be able to fully enjoy the concert and all of it's bonus features before my departure.
Sincerely, Cedar redaC
P.S. Thanks for the facts. :)
:lol :lol
Quote from: Cedar redaC on March 22, 2013, 10:08:49 PM
:lol
Something like this?
Dear Over The Edge,
Due to my quickly approaching missionary service to my church, I will not have much of an opportunity to listen to/watch the new Dream Theater live album: Live at Luna Park. As such, I request a promotional copy so I may be able to fully enjoy the concert and all of it's bonus features before my departure.
Sincerely, Cedar redaC
P.S. Thanks for the facts. :)
Genius! :rollin :rollin :rollin
Quote from: Cedar redaC on March 22, 2013, 10:08:49 PM
:lol
Something like this?
Dear Over The Edge,
Due to my quickly approaching missionary service to my church, I will not have much of an opportunity to listen to/watch the new Dream Theater live album: Live at Luna Park. As such, I request a promotional copy so I may be able to fully enjoy the concert and all of it's bonus features before my departure.
Sincerely, Cedar redaC
P.S. Thanks for the facts. :)
:clap:
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Quote from: Cedar redaC on March 22, 2013, 10:08:49 PM
:lol
Something like this?
Dear Over The Edge,
Due to my quickly approaching missionary service to my church, I will not have much of an opportunity to listen to/watch the new Dream Theater live album: Live at Luna Park. As such, I request a promotional copy so I may be able to fully enjoy the concert and all of it's bonus features before my departure.
Sincerely, Cedar redaC
P.S. Thanks for the facts. :)
Please do. You ain't got nothing to lose right?
I was serious, by the way! Of course you should not email OTE but the band :D
Maybe you should ask JLB for a... Pirated version...
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on March 23, 2013, 02:17:02 AM
Maybe you should ask JLB for a... Pirated version...
:slowclap:
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on March 23, 2013, 02:17:02 AM
Maybe you should ask JLB for a... Pirated version...
:icy:
:CJS:
Still no official press release. I assume it's going to happen very soon, judging on what happened last time with the leaked trailer.
If the May 15th release date is still valid, I may have it for MY birthday. :)
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on March 23, 2013, 02:17:02 AM
Maybe you should ask JLB for a... Pirated version...
Or if MP was still in the band, he could try to fool Cedar by giving him a copy of some James LaBrie DVD instead of the DT one :neverusethis:
Sorry, I had to! :lol
Quote from: wasteland on March 23, 2013, 02:07:57 AM
I was serious, by the way! Of course you should not email OTE but the band :D
Good plan, I'll do that :lol
Quote from: Onno on March 23, 2013, 02:41:51 AM
Quote from: wasteland on March 23, 2013, 02:07:57 AM
I was serious, by the way! Of course you should not email OTE but the band :D
Good plan, I'll do that :lol
But you are not going on a mission in Madagascar! :o
Quote from: wasteland on March 23, 2013, 02:54:01 AM
Quote from: Onno on March 23, 2013, 02:41:51 AM
Quote from: wasteland on March 23, 2013, 02:07:57 AM
I was serious, by the way! Of course you should not email OTE but the band :D
Good plan, I'll do that :lol
But you are not going on a mission in Madagascar! :o
Wut?
Quote from: Cedar redaC on March 22, 2013, 09:34:11 AM
If it was 2 weeks later, I wouldn't have been able to watch it before I go away for 2 years. ;)
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:lol :lol
This whole page is just great. Thanks everyone, you've made my day!
Quote from: wasteland on March 23, 2013, 02:54:01 AM
Quote from: Onno on March 23, 2013, 02:41:51 AM
Quote from: wasteland on March 23, 2013, 02:07:57 AM
I was serious, by the way! Of course you should not email OTE but the band :D
Good plan, I'll do that :lol
But you are not going on a mission in Madagascar! :o
I'm actually going to Sydney, Australia. :lol
Man this forum is awesome!
Quote from: Kotowboy on March 23, 2013, 08:12:57 AM
Quote from: Cedar redaC on March 22, 2013, 09:34:11 AM
If it was 2 weeks later, I wouldn't have been able to watch it before I go away for 2 years. ;)
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I would put this on Facebook, but no one would get it :lol
Sorry man, I got confused with my second to last Latin teacher. :lolpalm: She caught the black plague there!
But seriously, email them! Or just email JP, he's quite close to religion, as much as I know. He would appreciate what you are going to do. If I was him, I wouldn't hesitate to have you receive a promotional copy upon receiving a proof that you are not just making up the whole thing to get the DVD early. :)
Quote from: Kotowboy on March 23, 2013, 08:12:57 AM
Quote from: Cedar redaC on March 22, 2013, 09:34:11 AM
If it was 2 weeks later, I wouldn't have been able to watch it before I go away for 2 years. ;)
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Actually it's been 5 years since Chaos in Motion. But who counts :P
Quote from: wasteland on March 23, 2013, 11:32:10 AM
But seriously, email them! Or just email JP, he's quite close to religion, as much as I know. He would appreciate what you are going to do. If I was him, I wouldn't hesitate to have you receive a promotional copy upon receiving a proof that you are not just making up the whole thing to get the DVD early. :)
I might have to. What do you think would constitute as proof? A link to the video of me opening the letter along with a picture of the actual letter and a few other links to various sites to verify who I am (facebook, etc.)?
Quote from: Kotowboy on March 23, 2013, 08:12:57 AM
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Quote from: IdoSC on March 23, 2013, 12:07:45 PM
Quote from: Kotowboy on March 23, 2013, 08:12:57 AM
Quote from: Cedar redaC on March 22, 2013, 09:34:11 AM
If it was 2 weeks later, I wouldn't have been able to watch it before I go away for 2 years. ;)
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Actually it's been 7 years since Score. But who counts :P
Fixed.
Actually I meant the wait from the actual Luna Park gig to the DVD release.
I was exaggerating a bit. :p
but the tour was two years long, and I for one have been waiting for a DVD of it since the beginning of it...
I've been waiting for this DVD since September 9, 2010.
Since Budokan ! :O
Pfft, I've been waiting for this DVD ever since I was born - I just didn't start waiting for it consciously until the past few years. :neverusethis:
I've been waiting for it since 1985. That's 8 years before I was born.
Even Christopher Columbus, Johan Sebastian Bach, Michelangelo and also Jesus waited this a really long time but it was never released in their lifetime.
The very universe itself has awaited the release of this album. Several galaxies have been born and died without word of it's release.
In centuries to come - scholars and historians will refer to DT XII as :
" The album where mangini was part of the writing process ".
I thought we were talking about their live DVD release...
does anybody else check this thread every day for any update on the DVD....
Not every day... but whenever someone posts in it.
I'm used to the disappointment
this wait is simply killing me.
I am confident that we shall have news soon, if that amazon.jp thing wasn't a complete bluff. :blush
Quote from: gibbs1245 on March 25, 2013, 02:42:54 PM
does anybody else check this thread every day for any update on the DVD....
every day? pssh I check every hour to see if at least one of you guys have posted anything at all on the topic! this is driving me crazy!!
Quote from: JayOctavarium on March 25, 2013, 02:45:32 PM
Not every day... but whenever someone posts in it.
I'm used to the disappointment
+1
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Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on March 25, 2013, 03:09:27 PM
Quote from: gibbs1245 on March 25, 2013, 02:42:54 PM
does anybody else check this thread every day for any update on the DVD....
every day? pssh I check every hour to see if at least one of you guys have posted anything at all on the topic! this is driving me crazy!!
Heh. Hi there.
WTF... My Japanese Deluxe edition pre-order now shows "Release Postponed" & it's disappeared from the site???
... eh.
https://nooooooooooooooo.com/
Thanks to Over The Edge Dream Theater management for the delay.
It's not like this necessarily means it's delayed, but the lack of information is a bit disappointing when a part of the information is leaked already... I'm pretty sure the rest of the world forgot about the fact there's gonna be a new DT DVD :mehlin
Why... tell me the reason why :(
Quote from: wasteland on March 26, 2013, 05:25:39 AM
Why... tell me the reason why :(
It's okay letting go, time to leave here.
Quote from: Zydar on March 26, 2013, 05:36:44 AM
Quote from: wasteland on March 26, 2013, 05:25:39 AM
Why... tell me the reason why :(
It's okay letting go, time to leave here.
You don't understand, you don't see the SCARS.
It's quite irritating. So much for the 'we will continue to keep our fans informed about everything DT".
You know for one reason, I'm disappointed with the lack of updates and stuff. But looking at the bright side this only increases my excitement like the old days, you know, before instant gratification.
Quote from: goo-goo on March 26, 2013, 06:48:34 AM
You know for one reason, I'm disappointed with the lack of updates and stuff. But looking at the bright side this only increases my excitement like the old days, you know, before instant gratification.
True on that. Just like the good old days.
My problem is, if you don't mean it, don't say it.
Quote from: MoraWintersoul on March 26, 2013, 02:41:37 AM
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:mora:
Quote from: KISS 76 on March 26, 2013, 03:16:16 AM
WTF... My Japanese Deluxe edition pre-order now shows "Release Postponed" & it's disappeared from the site???
Maybe it was just posted up early, like the trailer when it was released early. I don't think the release is delayed from May.
Quote from: Another_Won on March 26, 2013, 09:53:49 AM
Quote from: KISS 76 on March 26, 2013, 03:16:16 AM
WTF... My Japanese Deluxe edition pre-order now shows "Release Postponed" & it's disappeared from the site???
Maybe it was just posted up early, like the trailer when it was released early. I don't think the release is delayed from May.
That wouldn't surprise me. There are always situations with sites jumping the gun with information. DT probably want it all officially announced when it's all finished and set in stone.
I don't mind waiting if the quality of the Blu-ray is as good as or better than Budokan :biggrin:
Quote from: lyfeternl on March 26, 2013, 10:24:41 AM
I don't mind waiting if the quality of the Blu-ray is as good as or better than Budokan :biggrin:
Absolutely!!!
It should be way better, considering the advances in filming over the years.
Quote from: Sycsa on March 26, 2013, 02:51:56 AM
Quote from: 6degrmatichaosonaxmasmorn on March 25, 2013, 03:09:27 PM
Quote from: gibbs1245 on March 25, 2013, 02:42:54 PM
does anybody else check this thread every day for any update on the DVD....
every day? pssh I check every hour to see if at least one of you guys have posted anything at all on the topic! this is driving me crazy!!
Heh. Hi there.
sup man! :metal
The US Preorders are up on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=dream%20theater%20luna%20park
There's also this 44 dollar Audio CD set that doesn't come up in that search:
https://www.amazon.com/Live-Luna-Park-Dream-Theater/dp/B00F1W1S1M/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1378922254&sr=8-3&keywords=dream+theater+park
So there's
DVD (13)
BluRay (14)
Audio CD (44)
Deluxe Set? (94)
I want an official preorder. I feel weird preordering from any site other than the official site or official preorder site.
Quote from: Ben_Jamin on September 11, 2013, 11:06:51 AM
I want an official preorder. I feel weird preordering from any site other than the official site or official preorder site.
Meh. I got no issue ordering from Amazon.
I want a CD version, damn :angry:
Well the Deluxe set fell off Amazon.com.. I can't find it now and my Deluxe order changed into a single CD order. That's goofy.
:tdwn
Anyone else a little let down with the bonus features on this thing?
Quote from: TheLordOfTheStrings on January 27, 2014, 11:28:28 AM
Anyone else a little let down with the bonus features on this thing?
Agreed. It def doesn't compare to the bonus of CiM, Score and Budokan.
At the same time, I don't really know what else they could have done :-\
Quote from: OsMosis2259 on January 27, 2014, 12:11:28 PM
Quote from: TheLordOfTheStrings on January 27, 2014, 11:28:28 AM
Anyone else a little let down with the bonus features on this thing?
Agreed. It def doesn't compare to the bonus of CiM, Score and Budokan.
At the same time, I don't really know what else they could have done :-\
More footage of the auditions, full versions of ANTR (we don't have a live version of this, and also, no "Day after day"), TDOE, TSCO with Mangini. Seemed like an obvious bonus feature to me.
Quote from: Sycsa on January 27, 2014, 12:23:16 PM
Quote from: OsMosis2259 on January 27, 2014, 12:11:28 PM
Quote from: TheLordOfTheStrings on January 27, 2014, 11:28:28 AM
Anyone else a little let down with the bonus features on this thing?
Agreed. It def doesn't compare to the bonus of CiM, Score and Budokan.
At the same time, I don't really know what else they could have done :-\
More footage of the auditions, full versions of ANTR (we don't have a live version of this, and also, no "Day after day"), TDOE, TSCO with Mangini. Seemed like an obvious bonus feature to me.
Agreed, also I would have loved a commentary, I know that was MP's thing, but it would have been interesting to get a commentary for this DVD. Also, a gear tour of each instrumentalists set up for the tour would have been great. Like a detailed look at each rig with each one of the guys.
Im happy for the bonus songs. The behind the scenes stuff isn't great but I'm satisfied overall.
I was hoping the documentary would be closer to an hour long. And a commentary would have been amazing. That would have made this the best DT live release.