Poll
Question:
Which full length album do you like better?
Option 1: Images and Words
votes: 92
Option 2: Metropolis pt 2: Scenes From a Memory
votes: 64
With all of the polls on here, I became curious as to which of DT's "magnum opus" album people consider to be the best.
SFAM. Easy
Images & Words is magical and beyond amazing where SFAM is just amazing.
Love 'em both, and they're my #2 and #3, but SFAM ranks just higher for me.
You really can't go wrong with either answer. IaW probably ranks higher for individual songs (Metropolis, UAGM, TTT), however as a whole album, SFAM is just magical for me, and DT's best whole album listening experience.
This Strange Deja Vu...
SFAM, by a hair. I&W has the better songs I think. However, this is one of those situations where the sum of the parts is greater than the whole (with SFAM).
My favorite DT album is Images and Words. My only problem with SFAM is that I find some of the lyrics are too cheesy(I know i'm the minority) but musically both albums are genius.
Scenes, without a doubt. Very easy choice for me.
And here's the real kicker. SFAM is my least listened to, least favorite DT album probably.
Quote from: Fourth Horseman on July 13, 2012, 09:23:29 AM
My only problem with SFAM is that I find some of the lyrics are too cheesy(I know i'm the minority)
Nope, you are not. They are mostly cheesy. But it's ok though to fit the concept.
Both are masterpieces, but I&W is pretty much flawless.
Not even close. Scenes.
I&W is a fantastic album, but Scenes is on a whole different level, in fact, it's so good it has it's own level.
Scenes it's not even close.
Quote from: Nekov on July 13, 2012, 09:35:08 AM
I&W is a fantastic album, but Scenes is on a whole different level, in fact, it's so good it has it's own level.
Both albums are excellent as whole but when it comes to individual songs, I&W is easily better.
Metropolis Pt. 1 is the best song on Images and Words. And Scenes From A Memory is a sequel that completely surpassed the original in full album length. Even if Scenes is greater than the sum of its parts, the parts are still absolutely fantastic. When MP said they were making the latest and in his opinion the greatest DT masterpiece with Scenes, he was right.
Quote from: Nekov on July 13, 2012, 09:35:08 AM
I&W is a fantastic album, but Scenes is on a whole different level, in fact, it's so good it has it's own level.
Yeah, I've always said that too. Usually when I'm trying to compare a DT album to another, I don't even bother using Scenes as an example, because it's in a class of its own.
SFAM is my favorite DT album, but I&W is so close behind it on my list it's practically 1b.
Both are phenomenal, but I&W is just a hair better. Scenes could have been better had they written a better song to follow Home. The Dance of Eternity simply drags it down just a tad and interrupts the flow as well.
Images is my #1 DT album, and SFAM is my #2.
SFAM easily. IAW is classic, but SFAM is their best album.
Well, I&W is my favorite album ever made and SFAM is just an album that I like a lot.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on July 13, 2012, 09:20:41 AM
You really can't go wrong with either answer. IaW probably ranks higher for individual songs (Metropolis, UAGM, TTT), however as a whole album, SFAM is just magical for me, and DT's best whole album listening experience.
My thoughts exactly :tup
I chose Scenes because it's a little more diverse. Both albums are amazing though.
Metropolis pt 2: Scenes From a Memory
Both are pretty much flawless, though.
Quote from: KevShmev on July 13, 2012, 10:31:56 AM
Both are phenomenal, but I&W is just a hair better. Scenes could have been better had they written a better song to follow Home. The Dance of Eternity simply drags it down just a tad and interrupts the flow as well.
The Dance of Eternity is the best track on the whole album, foo'!
SFAM is their best album, so this is an easy one.
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 13, 2012, 11:39:42 AM
Quote from: KevShmev on July 13, 2012, 10:31:56 AM
Both are phenomenal, but I&W is just a hair better. Scenes could have been better had they written a better song to follow Home. The Dance of Eternity simply drags it down just a tad and interrupts the flow as well.
The Dance of Eternity is the best track on the whole album, foo'!
I don't understand how people don't like TDOE. Is it because they don't get it?
Quote from: Fourth Horseman on July 13, 2012, 11:42:26 AM
I don't understand how people don't like TDEN. Is it because they don't get it?
While I do agree with your actual post, I think you meant TDOE. :biggrin:
TDOE is an exciting song on the first few listens. It's odd but fits very well in the context of the album.
I fixed it :P
It's a rhythmical masterpiece IMO
Images and Words.
Cool to see such close poll results for this one, though.
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 13, 2012, 11:39:42 AM
Quote from: KevShmev on July 13, 2012, 10:31:56 AM
Both are phenomenal, but I&W is just a hair better. Scenes could have been better had they written a better song to follow Home. The Dance of Eternity simply drags it down just a tad and interrupts the flow as well.
The Dance of Eternity is the best track on the whole album, foo'!
Yeah, and Home is my least favorite.
Quote from: SeRoX on July 13, 2012, 11:56:54 AM
I thought your respond to this thread is sarcasm. :biggrin:
Not at all. The Dance of Eternity is one of the best pieces of music that DT has ever written, and certainly the best on SFAM.
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 13, 2012, 11:58:56 AM
Quote from: SeRoX on July 13, 2012, 11:56:54 AM
I thought your respond to this thread is sarcasm. :biggrin:
Not at all. The Dance of Eternity is one of the best pieces of music that DT has ever written, and certainly the best on SFAM.
Well, your opinion is your opinion but you are sooooooooooooo wrong. Probably their worst ins among others. But the tastes differ. :laugh:
Quote from: SeRoX on July 13, 2012, 12:04:10 PM
Probably their best ins among others. But the tastes differ. :laugh:
There! Tellin' me I'm wrong...
Images and Words easily. Scenes is somewhere in the middle of my DT album ranks. And TDOE is one of my least favorite DT songs. I usually skip it.
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 13, 2012, 11:39:42 AM
Quote from: KevShmev on July 13, 2012, 10:31:56 AM
Both are phenomenal, but I&W is just a hair better. Scenes could have been better had they written a better song to follow Home. The Dance of Eternity simply drags it down just a tad and interrupts the flow as well.
The Dance of Eternity is the best track on the whole album, foo'!
You don't quit your day job. Seriously.
Quote from: KevShmev on July 13, 2012, 12:29:51 PM
You don't quit your day job. Seriously.
That retort makes no sense whatsoever. Now, if you were a music critic, I'd say yes, it's about time to quit your day job.
i dont think TDOE is the best on SFAM, but it is good
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 13, 2012, 12:31:23 PM
Quote from: KevShmev on July 13, 2012, 12:29:51 PM
You don't quit your day job. Seriously.
That retort makes no sense whatsoever. Now, if you were a music critic, I'd say yes, it's about time to quit your day job.
i think he means dont quit your day job, to be a music critic instead
Now THIS is a deathmatch. Images for me, though.
Soooo close... SFAM by a nose.
This was a tough one, but I&W.
I&W by a landslide. SFAM is one of my least Fav. DT albums, while I&W flips between #1-2
Images and Words, no contest. SFAM is good, but not as high IMO as a lot of other DT fans put it.
A tough choice- but I had to go with Images and Words. It's the ultimate DT record that defined the best elements of their sound.
Very hard one, voted Images & Words because it deflowered me in a sense, but ask me tomorrow, next week, in an hour and I probably would vote Scenes.
And by the way: The Dance Of Eternity is a great showcase of technical musicianship, but it doesn't work as a song and I could do without it. I even think that without it Scenes would be better.
Sweet, 34 people get to get murdered tonight.
Quote from: snapple on July 13, 2012, 02:40:26 PM
Sweet, 34 people get to get murdered tonight.
and 39 get to watch ...... ;D
:corn
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 13, 2012, 11:58:56 AM
Quote from: SeRoX on July 13, 2012, 11:56:54 AM
I thought your respond to this thread is sarcasm. :biggrin:
Not at all. The Dance of Eternity is one of the best pieces of music that DT has ever written, and certainly the best on SFAM.
Agfuckinreed!
Gotta go with I&W. Without that there would be no SFAM.
Going with I&W, it's an absolutely perfect album. BTW, TDOE is great in my opinion, it's the very song that got me into DT in the first place with its versatility and virtuosity and it probably features some of Jordan's best keyboard work ever.
Quote from: Dublagent66 on July 13, 2012, 03:30:49 PM
Gotta go with I&W. Without that there would be no SFAM.
For me I&W comes a close second, but that in itself is BECAUSE without it there would be no SFAM. So it's like, if I&W didn't exist, DT wouldn't have released their best album in 1999.
The best of I&W is better than the best of SFAM: Metropolis, LTL, TTT, UAGM > TSCO, Fatal Tragedy, Home, TDOE
And the worst of I&W is better than the worst of SFAM: Another Day, Pull me Under >> One Last Time, Through Her Eyes
(The worst songs on those albums are still great though)
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 13, 2012, 08:23:22 PM
For me I&W comes a close second, but that in itself is BECAUSE without it there would be no SFAM. So it's like, if I&W didn't exist, DT wouldn't have released their best album in 1999.
Good point, but the edge still goes to Images and Words because of this IMO.
Quote from: DebraKadabra on July 13, 2012, 10:58:58 PM
Good point, but the edge still goes to Images and Words because of this IMO.
Well, Metropolis Pt 1 is number 1. But I still like Dance of Eternity, Fatal Tragedy, Home, The Spirit Carries On and Through Her Eyes better than most of the songs on I&W.
We'll just have to agree to disagree. :)
And even if I do prefer those individual songs, I still say that Scenes From A Memory is greater than the sum of its parts, meaning that when you take the whole thing as a single entity, it's way beyond Images and Words as a single entity.
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 13, 2012, 11:58:56 AM
Not at all. The Dance of Eternity is one of the wankiest pieces of music that DT has ever written, and certainly the wankfest-iest on SFAM.
Fixed that for you.
The 30 seconds that start at 4:42 is some of the wankiest bullshit Dream Theater has ever tried to pass off as music. There's some great stuff in TDOE to be sure, but it's not a coherent composition, and the section I mentioned really drags it down especially. There's a reason certain scales, chords, progressions, and modulations have survived the test of time, and it's because they are euphonic. DT just shit all over hundreds of years of wisdom in this piece, and it doesn't work there.
Do I "get" the song? Yes, they hit me over the head with it. (I'm looking at you, ragtime...) I just don't like all of it.
Quote from: nicmos on July 14, 2012, 02:33:51 AM
I just don't like all of it.
Well, don't force your opinion of this song on others by "fixing" their posts.
The Dance of Eternity is one of the best pieces of music DT has ever written. It's sheer insanity is precisely what makes it awesome.
Totally with TheGreatPretender on that one.
SFAM
IAW. And Awake is even better.
SFAM - great
IAW - greater
Awake - the greatest.
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 14, 2012, 02:49:14 AM
Well, don't force your opinion of this song on others by "fixing" their posts.
The Dance of Eternity is one of the best pieces of music DT has ever written. It's sheer insanity is precisely what makes it awesome.
Sorry, if the humor was lost on you. in an attempt to explain myself, this is a common joke that is played on many internet sites with comment threads. they will change something about the previous post to their liking and add "FTFY", which stands for "fixed that for you".
but your opinion seems rather rigid. so I will exercise my right to be just as rigid. the piece doesn't work. sections of it are just not good music. now I can't tell you what makes good music to you any more than you can tell me. but you should be aware how strongly some DT fans feel about how shitty TDOE is, and it's certainly not because they are ignorant. I think we all know how varied our tastes in music are, certainly the average person on this forum has such a wide and varied taste that it's not about being ignorant of what makes good music.
I will defend to the last my favorite pieces. And I'm glad you feel very strongly about it, it's interesting to hear different points of view.
so if you ever see me expressing a strong point of view, know that it's all in good fun and I'm very tolerant of everyone else's opinions.
I wouldn't call The Dance of Eternity shitty, but I don't see it being such a technical beast as necessarily a good thing, as it makes it seem more mathematical than anything (since, to me, it is sorely lacking in emotion and melody, which most of their other technical beast of songs have at some point), and to throw it smack dab in the middle of a concept album seemed completely unnecessary, especially since the references to the original Metropolis are superficial at best, so the Metropolis nods in TDOE seem more like, "Let's throw in a few Metropolis references so the sequel idea doesn't seem completely off base."
In short, TDOE is a great demonstration of the technical prowess of the four, but aside from that, it doesn't have a lot of staying power for me. Had the 9th track on Scenes from a Memory been as great as the other best songs on the album, it might have been my favorite DT record. But instead, it is third since neither Awake nor I&W, for me, have anything as skippable or melodically uninteresting as The Dance of Eternity.
Quote from: nicmos on July 14, 2012, 08:16:34 AM
Sorry, if the humor was lost on you. in an attempt to explain myself, this is a common joke that is played on many internet sites with comment threads. they will change something about the previous post to their liking and add "FTFY", which stands for "fixed that for you".
Oh, I'm well aware of it. It just one of those memes that kind of annoys me. At least some people have the courtesy to type "FTFM".
Quote from: KevShmev on July 14, 2012, 08:26:30 AM
I wouldn't call The Dance of Eternity shitty, but I don't see it being such a technical beast as necessarily a good thing, as it makes it seem more mathematical than anything (since, to me, it is sorely lacking in emotion and melody, which most of their other technical beast of songs have at some point), and to throw it smack dab in the middle of a concept album seemed completely unnecessary, especially since the references to the original Metropolis are superficial at best, so the Metropolis nods in TDOE seem more like, "Let's throw in a few Metropolis references so the sequel idea doesn't seem completely off base."
In short, TDOE is a great demonstration of the technical prowess of the four, but aside from that, it doesn't have a lot of staying power for me. Had the 9th track on Scenes from a Memory been as great as the other best songs on the album, it might have been my favorite DT record. But instead, it is third since neither Awake nor I&W, for me, have anything as skippable or melodically uninteresting as The Dance of Eternity.
Disagreed. Disagreed. And disagreed.
First of all, I don't see how you can say it's lacking emotion, when I think it's got a very sinister and somewhat playfully sadistic vibe all throughout.
Second, since I heard SFAM before I heard Metropolis, the Metropolis references have nothing to do with me loving this instrumental. In fact, it's quite the other way around. TDOE is one of the many reasons that I think Metropolis itself is so amazing.
And third, well, I just disagree. We all have our tastes. But it still kind of surprises me that people can actually like Erotomania better than The Dance of Eternity.
I wouldn't go as far to say that TDOE is their best song by any means, but it's a completely new type of DT song, at least at that point in time in DT history. It's is complete instrumental madnes[s in technicality - which had been done before - but it's got no hook. It stands alone as something incredibly unique. It's the "we're DT and you can't touch us" song.
Saying it was lacking in emotion may not have been the best way to put it; a better way is to say that it is lacking memorable melodies.
Erotomania, to me, is THE definitive Dream Theater instrumental. It has everything that is great about the band - memorable melodies, great playing, interesting songwriting, unexpected twists and turns that still sound natural, a main theme that is revisited numerous times with slight variations, etc. - all rolled up into a wonderful 6 minutes and 44 seconds ball. :tup :tup
Quote from: KevShmev on July 14, 2012, 10:19:18 AM
The Dance Of Eternity, to me, is THE definitive Dream Theater instrumental. It has everything that is great about the band - memorable melodies, great playing, interesting songwriting, unexpected twists and turns that still sound natural, a main theme that is revisited numerous times with slight variations, etc. - all rolled up into a wonderful 6 minutes and 13 seconds ball. :tup :tup
Fixed that for ME. :biggrin:
It's simple. Because Erotomania is an experimental song that includes complex technics and emotion and plus it really flows well and fits the concept where TDOE is just a technical song with no emotion and it gives the feeling of compulsion to fit the concept with its Metropolis references.
Quote from: KevShmev on July 14, 2012, 10:19:18 AM
Erotomania, to me, is THE definitive Dream Theater instrumental. It has everything that is great about the band - memorable melodies, great playing, interesting songwriting, unexpected twists and turns that still sound natural, a main theme that is revisited numerous times with slight variations, etc. - all rolled up into a wonderful 6 minutes and 44 seconds ball. :tup :tup
Well said, and I agree completely. Your mileage, however, may vary.
I&W
Only about half of SFAM is really all that enjoyable, on a song-by-song basis that is. The concept is cool even if the lyrics are cheesy, but the second half of the album just brings it down. TDoE kicks the flow off and the album never really recovers from that. Plus, TDoE is easily one of my least favorite DT songs. For instrumentals, Overture 1928 kicks the hell out of it.
Quote from: Nekov on July 13, 2012, 09:35:08 AM
I&W is a fantastic album, but Scenes is on a whole different level, in fact, it's so good it has it's own level.
:tup
I&W. SFAM just isn't quite as classic.
Scenes. Didn't even have to think about it.
Only album that's made me tear up like a pansy little girl.
SAFE IN THE LIGHT THAT SURROUNDS ME!
Every fuckin time...
Quote from: ZKX-2099 on July 14, 2012, 02:00:15 PM
Scenes. Didn't even have to think about it.
Only album that's made me tear up like a pansy little girl.
SAFE IN THE LIGHT THAT SURROUNDS ME!
Every fuckin time...
I know what you mean. I watched Scenes From New York again last night... Man... Best moment in music, ever.
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 14, 2012, 02:04:51 PM
Quote from: ZKX-2099 on July 14, 2012, 02:00:15 PM
Scenes. Didn't even have to think about it.
Only album that's made me tear up like a pansy little girl.
SAFE IN THE LIGHT THAT SURROUNDS ME!
Every fuckin time...
I know what you mean. I watched Scenes From New York again last night... Man... Best moment in music, ever.
Bro...
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_TahXQ2WiF0s/SRZPa-gQZuI/AAAAAAAAHcg/pdOB1RQLHOE/s400/05+Tears+of+Joy.jpg)
You guys are joke. :biggrin:
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 14, 2012, 10:21:57 AM
Quote from: KevShmev on July 14, 2012, 10:19:18 AM
The Dance Of Eternity, to me, is THE definitive Dream Theater instrumental. It has everything that is great about the band - memorable melodies, great playing, interesting songwriting, unexpected twists and turns that still sound natural, a main theme that is revisited numerous times with slight variations, etc. - all rolled up into a wonderful 6 minutes and 13 seconds ball. :tup :tup
Fixed that for ME. :biggrin:
By George, I think he's got it! :D
SFAM. It's in my #3 spot, where I&W is in my #6 spot, in fact I'm pretty sure I'm the only person I've seen who ranks it that low. :lol Despite that, every track is great, and it's one of their most consistent albums, but I would like it more had the original song order been used (PMU and Metropolis were switched I believe?), the songs were a little more concise and sounded less like their influences (same problem with WDADU), and the snare drum wasn't triggered.
As an added note relating to how the album wears their influences on its sleeve, Awake to me is the first album where DT started to truly develop their own sound, sans 6:00 which sounds like Deep Purple.
Quote from: GasparXR on July 14, 2012, 08:17:50 PM
SFAM. It's in my #3 spot, where I&W is in my #6 spot, in fact I'm pretty sure I'm the only person I've seen who ranks it that low. :lol Despite that, every track is great, and it's one of their most consistent albums, but I would like it more had the original song order been used (PMU and Metropolis were switched I believe?), the songs were a little more concise and sounded less like their influences (same problem with WDADU), and the snare drum wasn't triggered.
As an added note relating to how the album wears their influences on its sleeve, Awake to me is the first album where DT started to truly develop their own sound, sans 6:00 which sounds like Deep Purple.
Images and Words isn't their developed sound? ???
Quote from: nicmos on July 14, 2012, 05:44:27 PM
By George, I think he's got it! :D
But see, I fixed it for ME not for him. It's all about me, not you.
Quote from: Fourth Horseman on July 14, 2012, 09:26:27 PM
Quote from: GasparXR on July 14, 2012, 08:17:50 PM
SFAM. It's in my #3 spot, where I&W is in my #6 spot, in fact I'm pretty sure I'm the only person I've seen who ranks it that low. :lol Despite that, every track is great, and it's one of their most consistent albums, but I would like it more had the original song order been used (PMU and Metropolis were switched I believe?), the songs were a little more concise and sounded less like their influences (same problem with WDADU), and the snare drum wasn't triggered.
As an added note relating to how the album wears their influences on its sleeve, Awake to me is the first album where DT started to truly develop their own sound, sans 6:00 which sounds like Deep Purple.
Images and Words isn't their developed sound? ???
For the most part. It's more distinguished than WDADU, but it still reeks of Iron Maiden, Rush, Yes, etc. Even though it's a great album anyway.
Thinking again about TDOE, I can see that if you've heard it a thousand times, it loses its value as a song with surprising twists and turns, whereas Erotomania has some pretty good melodies which will keep you coming back. Regardless, if we're just talking about quality here, I've got to say TDOE is a much more ambitious and creative instrumental.
Not sure what ambition has to do with quality.
TDOE isn't band, but it just sounds like just a collection of technical parts thrown together. Erotomania feels like a real song.
It's definitely more chaotic, but it does have a recurring theme and a very sinister tone which binds the whole thing together really well. I think people who have dismissed it need to listen to it more often.
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 15, 2012, 06:11:09 PM
It's definitely more chaotic, but it does have a recurring theme and a very sinister tone which binds the whole thing together really well. I think people who have dismissed it need to listen to it more often.
Or less. TDOE is the type of song that can get very stale on too many listens. It's only recently that I've noticed people not liking TDOE...I reckon it was more mindblowing and popular back in the day.
Quote from: Ħ on July 15, 2012, 06:19:29 PM
Or less. TDOE is the type of song that can get very stale on too many listens. It's only recently that I've noticed people not liking TDOE...I reckon it was more mindblowing and popular back in the day.
Every song gets stale with too many listens. Most of Images and Words got stale for me at one point.
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 15, 2012, 06:11:09 PM
I think people who have dismissed it need to listen to it more often.
I think you need to accept that many of us who have listened to a lot simply don't think it is that good or memorable. It's like you refuse to accept that anyone doesn't think it is totally awesome, so you come up with possible flimsy, fabricated reasons like us not listening to it enough.
Quote from: KevShmev on July 15, 2012, 06:43:04 PM
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 15, 2012, 06:11:09 PM
I think people who have dismissed it need to listen to it more often.
I think you need to accept that many of us who have listened to a lot simply don't think it is that good or memorable. It's like you refuse to accept that anyone doesn't think it is totally awesome, so you come up with possible flimsy, fabricated reasons like us not listening to it enough.
Personally I don't like TDOE because I feel like the samples detract from the emotion.
The song really loses steam after the ragtime solo. It's a novel concept but there's not much substance after multiple listens. It was cool to show off to friends but that lost its luster too.
Quote from: Adami on July 15, 2012, 06:44:46 PM
Quote from: KevShmev on July 15, 2012, 06:43:04 PM
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 15, 2012, 06:11:09 PM
I think people who have dismissed it need to listen to it more often.
I think you need to accept that many of us who have listened to a lot simply don't think it is that good or memorable. It's like you refuse to accept that anyone doesn't think it is totally awesome, so you come up with possible flimsy, fabricated reasons like us not listening to it enough.
Personally I don't like TDOE because I feel like the samples detract from the emotion.
I feel like the wankery detracts from the emotion. :biggrin:
Quote from: KevShmev on July 15, 2012, 06:43:04 PM
I think you need to accept that many of us who have listened to a lot simply don't think it is that good or memorable. It's like you refuse to accept that anyone doesn't think it is totally awesome, so you come up with possible flimsy, fabricated reasons like us not listening to it enough.
Hey, all I know is that when I first heard songs like Scarred, Caught in a Web, Blind Faith, These Walls, to name a few, I didn't much like them, so I never really listened to them. When I did start listening to them, once I said, "Okay, people really like these songs. Why?" I decided to give them a fair chance and started to get into them a lot more.
I don't refuse to believe anything. I just don't enjoy one of my favorite songs to be referred to as "wankery" a stupid term in and of itself. At least come up with something a little more constructive.
I liked TDoE when I first heard it. I thought it was cool and complex and technical, but subsequent listens have revealed that, to me, that's all it really is: complex. I don't get anything else out of it aside from a 'Well, they sure can play' reaction.
I like it less and less the more I hear it and, nowadays, I actively skip it.
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 15, 2012, 07:37:08 PM
Quote from: KevShmev on July 15, 2012, 06:43:04 PM
I think you need to accept that many of us who have listened to a lot simply don't think it is that good or memorable. It's like you refuse to accept that anyone doesn't think it is totally awesome, so you come up with possible flimsy, fabricated reasons like us not listening to it enough.
Hey, all I know is that when I first heard songs like Scarred, Caught in a Web, Blind Faith, These Walls, to name a few, I didn't much like them, so I never really listened to them. When I did start listening to them, once I said, "Okay, people really like these songs. Why?" I decided to give them a fair chance and started to get into them a lot more.
I don't refuse to believe anything. I just don't enjoy one of my favorite songs to be referred to as "wankery" a stupid term in and of itself. At least come up with something a little more constructive.
Masturbationy?
Quote from: The King in Crimson on July 15, 2012, 07:42:00 PM
I liked TDoE when I first heard it. I thought it was cool and complex and technical, but subsequent listens have revealed that, to me, that's all it really is: complex. I don't get anything else out of it aside from a 'Well, they sure can play' reaction.
I like it less and less the more I hear it and, nowadays, I actively skip it.
That's sad.
Not really.
Lots of good music out there, no sense worrying about just one song.
Quote from: The King in Crimson on July 15, 2012, 08:11:05 PM
Not really.
Lots of good music out there, no sense worrying about just one song.
I'm sure there are people out there saying the same thing about your favorite DT song.
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 15, 2012, 08:57:19 PM
Quote from: The King in Crimson on July 15, 2012, 08:11:05 PM
Not really.
Lots of good music out there, no sense worrying about just one song.
I'm sure there are people out there saying the same thing about your favorite DT song.
The Dance of Eternity is your favorite DT song?
TDOE really is just a bunch of parts thrown together. Similar to The King In Crimson, my only reaction to it is: they sure can play.
There's really no soul to it other than the fact that the title refers to two characters in the story having sex :lol
Quote from: Adami on July 15, 2012, 08:57:57 PM
The Dance of Eternity is your favorite DT song?
Well, my second favorite, besides Metropolis Pt. 1.
Quote from: SystematicThought on July 15, 2012, 09:05:31 PM
TDOE really is just a bunch of parts thrown together. Similar to The King In Crimson, my only reaction to it is: they sure can play.
There's really no soul to it other than the fact that the title refers to two characters in the story having sex :lol
I hear plenty of soul in it. Not, "Ooh, how nice and majestic" but, darker, more, like I said, sinister tone.
I've always really enjoyed TDOE. I used to like it a lot more, but even still, I enjoy the melodies and how each section seamlessly transitions to the next. It also ties in well with the rest of the album as it has references to other songs on the album (Fatal Tragedy, Overture 1928 and Finally Free for example), as well as Metropolis pt.1.
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 15, 2012, 07:37:08 PM
Quote from: KevShmev on July 15, 2012, 06:43:04 PM
I think you need to accept that many of us who have listened to a lot simply don't think it is that good or memorable. It's like you refuse to accept that anyone doesn't think it is totally awesome, so you come up with possible flimsy, fabricated reasons like us not listening to it enough.
Hey, all I know is that when I first heard songs like Scarred, Caught in a Web, Blind Faith, These Walls, to name a few, I didn't much like them, so I never really listened to them. When I did start listening to them, once I said, "Okay, people really like these songs. Why?" I decided to give them a fair chance and started to get into them a lot more.
Again, you are making the INCORRECT assumption that all of us who aren't big fans of the song haven't listened to it enough. I have had Scenes since the day it came out over 12 1/2 years ago, I listened to it like crazy for most of 2000, and quite a lot since then, so The Dance of Eternity is a song I have likely heard hundreds of times.
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 15, 2012, 07:37:08 PM
I don't refuse to believe anything. I just don't enjoy one of my favorite songs to be referred to as "wankery" a stupid term in and of itself. At least come up with something a little more constructive.
I am sorry if your sensibilities are that delicate, but no song is immune to criticism around here. Scarred is my favorite DT song, but do you see me getting my shorts in a bind every time someone criticizes it, even if it is a criticism I think it is silly? Nope. You ought to adopt the same philosophy when it comes to The Dance..., unless you want to constantly get into arguments with people simply because they don't like a song as much as you do. And I do like The Dance of Eternity for the most part; I just think the second half of it is tedious, and it sounds out of place on Scenes.
A lot of criticism of TDOE is fair although I disagree with it. There are some people who just don't get it and that's understandable given how complex it is. Once I knew the song by ear and I could tap along with the ever changing beat, it made it more enjoyable just like with any other song in which you know what part is coming next. However, I'm not saying everyone who doesn't like it doesn't get it, but that seems to be the case for some who dismiss it as "random wankery"
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 15, 2012, 08:57:19 PM
Quote from: The King in Crimson on July 15, 2012, 08:11:05 PM
Not really.
Lots of good music out there, no sense worrying about just one song.
I'm sure there are people out there saying the same thing about your favorite DT song.
I'm sure a lot of people hate Voices, Take The Time, The Great Debate and Space-Dye Vest.
In fact, I'm absolutely positive of it.
Random wankery is good. At that point in DT's history, it wasn't so explicitly random. So it was something "progressive" for them.
Quote from: The King in Crimson on July 15, 2012, 11:10:14 PM
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 15, 2012, 08:57:19 PM
Quote from: The King in Crimson on July 15, 2012, 08:11:05 PM
Not really.
Lots of good music out there, no sense worrying about just one song.
I'm sure there are people out there saying the same thing about your favorite DT song.
I'm sure a lot of people hate Voices, Take The Time, The Great Debate and Space-Dye Vest.
In fact, I'm absolutely positive of it.
No one hates Take The Time. No. Never.
Quote from: Fourth Horseman on July 15, 2012, 11:13:39 PM
Quote from: The King in Crimson on July 15, 2012, 11:10:14 PM
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 15, 2012, 08:57:19 PM
Quote from: The King in Crimson on July 15, 2012, 08:11:05 PM
Not really.
Lots of good music out there, no sense worrying about just one song.
I'm sure there are people out there saying the same thing about your favorite DT song.
I'm sure a lot of people hate Voices, Take The Time, The Great Debate and Space-Dye Vest.
In fact, I'm absolutely positive of it.
No one hates Take The Time. No. Never.
And if they did, I'd be like "Hold it now, wait a minute, come on.......... just let me catch my breath"
Quote from: BlobVanDam on July 15, 2012, 11:19:02 PM
Quote from: Fourth Horseman on July 15, 2012, 11:13:39 PM
Quote from: The King in Crimson on July 15, 2012, 11:10:14 PM
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 15, 2012, 08:57:19 PM
Quote from: The King in Crimson on July 15, 2012, 08:11:05 PM
Not really.
Lots of good music out there, no sense worrying about just one song.
I'm sure there are people out there saying the same thing about your favorite DT song.
I'm sure a lot of people hate Voices, Take The Time, The Great Debate and Space-Dye Vest.
In fact, I'm absolutely positive of it.
No one hates Take The Time. No. Never.
And if they did, I'd be like "Hold it now, wait a minute, come on.......... just let me catch my breath"
:hat
Quote from: The King in Crimson on July 15, 2012, 11:10:14 PM
I'm sure a lot of people hate Voices, Take The Time, The Great Debate and Space-Dye Vest.
In fact, I'm absolutely positive of it.
I'm not talking about hate. I'm saying, if someone said, "Ah yeah, Voices used to be one of my favorite. But it hasn't aged well, I find that it lost its magic and drags on," or something of the sort.
Or people who say, "I used to love Dream Theater, but I don't listen to them anymore," it's damn sad. Yes, there's plenty of great bands out there, but it's a shame when someone used to be into your favorite band, but lost their interest.
Same thing for songs, I think. It's a shame that you don't appreciate TDOE the way you used to.
Or it's just life. I don't really find it sad. It's just human nature that your tastes change
Quote from: BlobVanDam on July 15, 2012, 11:19:02 PM
And if they did, I'd be like "Hold it now, wait a minute, come on.......... just let me breathe"
Fixed. :hat
Quote from: GasparXR on July 16, 2012, 03:17:54 AM
Quote from: BlobVanDam on July 15, 2012, 11:19:02 PM
And if they did, I'd be like "Hold it now, wait a minute, come on.......... just let me breathe"
Fixed. :hat
It's time to pick up the pieces, go back to square one. I think it's time for a chayeeange.
Maybe we can focus on other things about the two albums besides TDOE. Like how awesome Metropolis Pt 1 is, or Overture 1928, or how lame Another Day is ;D
Quote from: Fourth Horseman on July 15, 2012, 11:13:39 PM
Quote from: The King in Crimson on July 15, 2012, 11:10:14 PM
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 15, 2012, 08:57:19 PM
Quote from: The King in Crimson on July 15, 2012, 08:11:05 PM
Not really.
Lots of good music out there, no sense worrying about just one song.
I'm sure there are people out there saying the same thing about your favorite DT song.
I'm sure a lot of people hate Voices, Take The Time, The Great Debate and Space-Dye Vest.
In fact, I'm absolutely positive of it.
No one hates Take The Time. No. Never.
Wanna meet my sister? She hates almost anything rock or metal.
id like to meet your sister for other reasons
Quote from: chrisbDTM on July 16, 2012, 09:55:11 AM
id like to meet your sister for other reasons
Pervert! She's 14!
>:(
:lol
So that means, there's still very much potential that she'll grow up and actually develop GOOD musical tastes.
Quote from: Ruba on July 16, 2012, 11:15:16 AM
Quote from: chrisbDTM on July 16, 2012, 09:55:11 AM
id like to meet your sister for other reasons
Pervert! She's 14!
>:(
:lol
well this took an unexpected turn..
:clap:
Quote from: Lolzeez on July 16, 2012, 12:19:07 PM
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 16, 2012, 11:30:35 AM
Who wants to come?
*solo section*
Are you saying that the sex sounds in Home are actually Victoria masturbating?
Images And Words
Quote from: GasparXR on July 16, 2012, 01:35:12 PM
Are you saying that the sex sounds in Home are actually Victoria masturbating?
To be fair, you only hear HER voice, right? Aside from the Casino guy's.
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 16, 2012, 05:00:02 PM
Quote from: GasparXR on July 16, 2012, 01:35:12 PM
Are you saying that the sex sounds in Home are actually Victoria masturbating?
To be fair, you only hear HER voice, right? Aside from the Casino guy's.
Exactly. Victoria's a whore.
Right in front of Julian, under the Black Jack table, too. Tsk tsk tsk.
So innocent, my ass.
SFAM all the way!
The story in the song is so good!
Strange deja vu, fatal tragedy, home, one last time and finally free!
It's pure brilliance, my (current) favorite album.
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 16, 2012, 12:15:57 AM
Quote from: The King in Crimson on July 15, 2012, 11:10:14 PM
I'm sure a lot of people hate Voices, Take The Time, The Great Debate and Space-Dye Vest.
In fact, I'm absolutely positive of it.
I'm not talking about hate. I'm saying, if someone said, "Ah yeah, Voices used to be one of my favorite. But it hasn't aged well, I find that it lost its magic and drags on," or something of the sort.
Or people who say, "I used to love Dream Theater, but I don't listen to them anymore," it's damn sad. Yes, there's plenty of great bands out there, but it's a shame when someone used to be into your favorite band, but lost their interest.
Same thing for songs, I think. It's a shame that you don't appreciate TDOE the way you used to.
Tastes change. Not really controversial.
Quote from: BlobVanDam on July 15, 2012, 11:19:02 PM
Quote from: Fourth Horseman on July 15, 2012, 11:13:39 PM
Quote from: The King in Crimson on July 15, 2012, 11:10:14 PM
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 15, 2012, 08:57:19 PM
Quote from: The King in Crimson on July 15, 2012, 08:11:05 PM
Not really.
Lots of good music out there, no sense worrying about just one song.
I'm sure there are people out there saying the same thing about your favorite DT song.
I'm sure a lot of people hate Voices, Take The Time, The Great Debate and Space-Dye Vest.
In fact, I'm absolutely positive of it.
No one hates Take The Time. No. Never.
And if they did, I'd be like "Hold it now, wait a minute, come on.......... just let me catch my breath"
:lol
I&W is the best
Quote from: The King in Crimson on July 16, 2012, 07:49:24 PM
Tastes change. Not really controversial.
Well, if you don't get what I'm talking about, it's still sad.
Images and Words
There really isn't a comparison between these two. SFAM is a great album, with an amazing concept, but Images and Words is a classic.
Quote from: wolven74 on July 17, 2012, 11:11:55 PM
Images and Words
There really isn't a comparison between these two. SFAM is a great album, with an amazing concept, but Images and Words is a classic.
SFAM is also a classic.
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 17, 2012, 11:25:43 PM
Quote from: wolven74 on July 17, 2012, 11:11:55 PM
Images and Words
There really isn't a comparison between these two. SFAM is a great album, with an amazing concept, but Images and Words is a classic.
SFAM is also a classic.
:tup :tup
Quote from: Elite on July 13, 2012, 09:22:32 AM
Quote from: FlyingBIZKIT on July 13, 2012, 09:18:51 AM
SFAM. Easy
Quote from: BlobVanDam on July 18, 2012, 02:43:09 AM
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 17, 2012, 11:25:43 PM
Quote from: wolven74 on July 17, 2012, 11:11:55 PM
Images and Words
There really isn't a comparison between these two. SFAM is a great album, with an amazing concept, but Images and Words is a classic.
SFAM is also a classic.
:tup :tup
:tup :tup :tup
Quote from: Adami on July 16, 2012, 05:00:45 PM
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 16, 2012, 05:00:02 PM
Quote from: GasparXR on July 16, 2012, 01:35:12 PM
Are you saying that the sex sounds in Home are actually Victoria masturbating?
To be fair, you only hear HER voice, right? Aside from the Casino guy's.
Exactly. Victoria's a whore.
I heard it was hinting towards Victoria having sex with the miracle :smiley:
Images and Words is my favorite DT album, but SfaM is my 2nd.