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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: Cable on June 07, 2012, 08:05:34 PM
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I just had the thought that ADTOE would be good for someone new to DT to listen to. It is modern sounding, but obviously shares many similarities with older DT direction and is more typical of the DT sound than SC or TOT. This may have been discussed before, and I know lots of new albums become the new introduction album.
Thoughts?
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definitely YES. Everyone I've turned on to Dream Theater with it says it's great, pretty much no matter what kind of music they're into.
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Definitely a good introductory album.
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Definitely a good introductory album.
edit: ninja'd by RMV
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Definitely a good introductory album.
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Definitely a good intro album since it has a good amount of songs and although some songs may be long, they're not BC&SL long. My intro album was Octavarium and that was fantastic.
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I'm not sure it's a good intro to DT in general, but it's a great intro to the current DT line up.
I admit, this was the first CD I heard with the new line up and it kept me interested.
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I admit, this was the first CD I heard with the new line up and it kept me interested.
I think the second CD with the newest lineup is the best
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It's an excellent introductory album. You'll be exposed to the signature sound that the band pioneered.
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Definitely a good introductory album.
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I'd say Octavarium or Six Degrees would be the best introductory albums, UNLESS I specifically knew that the person I'm introducing it to likes Metal. And if they did, I'd use Systematic Chaos or Train of Thought.
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Definitely a good introductory album.
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Affirmatively a fine collection of songs with which to introduce the uninitiated to this rather pleasant-sounding musical beat combo.
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Definitely a good introductory album.
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I consider it one of their weaker albums, so based on that I would say no. I just don't think it would grab people like their other albums, especially as a lot of people I know don't really like the album.
I'd hand them SFAM instead.
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I consider it one of their weaker albums, so based on that I would say no. I just don't think it would grab people like their other albums, especially as a lot of people I know don't really like the album.
I'd hand them SFAM instead.
:tup couldn't agree more.
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I consider it one of their weaker albums, so based on that I would say no. I just don't think it would grab people like their other albums, especially as a lot of people I know don't really like the album.
I'd hand them SFAM instead.
Couldn't disagree more. The whole concept album thingy, the hynotherapist narration - the person listening might think I'm trying to spring a surprise intervention on them.
I usually introduce girls to DT via Speak to Me, Lifting Shadows and Eve.
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I consider it one of their weaker albums, so based on that I would say no. I just don't think it would grab people like their other albums, especially as a lot of people I know don't really like the album.
I'd hand them SFAM instead.
Couldn't disagree more. The whole concept album thingy, the hynotherapist narration - the person listening might think I'm trying to spring a surprise intervention on them.
Aside from maybe Regression, I don't think the concept gets in the way of a new listener enjoying it at all, at least it didn't for me at all. Aside from the start and finish of the album, there's not a whole lot of narration inbetween.
And the album is a good balance of heavier stuff, ballads, and the crazier stuff, with the individual songs being fairly short overall.
Every other album feels like it's leaning in one direction or another, but SFAM is like the third bowl of porridge. It's just right. If not that, then maybe SDOIT, but while that was my first DT album, and got me into DT, it's perhaps also not the most digestible for a newcomer because of the longer songs and album length.
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I admit, this was the first CD I heard with the new line up and it kept me interested.
I think the second CD with the newest lineup is the best
:lol
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I'd hand them SFAM instead.
Yep.
And then A Dramatic turn of events. ;D
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I suppose so. It's got all the elements that DT are known for.
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I suppose so. It's got all the elements that DT are known for.
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You could. I'd start them with either SFAM or I&W. More of the "iconic" prog sound from Dream Theater in those albums. If they can't handle either of them, we don't need 'em.
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I would give someone ADTOE as an introductory album for sure. Then I&W.
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I'd probably pick ADTOE, now that I think of it. It's more stomacheable than SDOIT, with some shorter songs being present as well and I didn't like I&W for a long time, mainly because of the drums. SFAM would work too, or Awake if the someone who was to be introduced was a metal fan.
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Guide for newbie DT listening:
1. Listen to ADTOE
2. Listen to I&W
3. "WTF, I just listened to the same album twice?!?!?!"
:coolio
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i would say yes
i think breaking all illusions is a good introductory song to show them what theyre all about
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Yes because after SFAM, I&W and maybe awake is their Best album..
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Guide for newbie DT listening:
1. Listen to ADTOE
2. Listen to I&W
3. "WTF, I just listened to the same album twice?!?!?!"
:coolio
You're herp derping.
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Guide for newbie DT listening:
1. Listen to ADTOE
2. Listen to I&W
3. "WTF, I just listened to the same album twice?!?!?!"
:coolio
You're herp derping.
Lol.
I would use ADToE as an intro CD. Or I'd use Awake or TOT as an intro for a metal fan.
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Definitely a good introductory album.
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I really like ADTOE, but I'd use SFAM as an introduction. It was, IMO, their Yellow Brick Road.
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I hadn't really thought about it, but I'd say it is a perfect starter album. Along with I&W
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It's a good starting point - ADTOE is modern-sounding yet the style of the album is very balanced and doesn't focus too much on one side of DT's music. Besides there aren't really references to other albums that you wouldn't get if you haven't heard those records first (unless someone wants to count the I&W theory :lol) like the 12-step suite songs on the previous 5 albums, the meta-album thing and Metropolis 1 & 2.
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Definitely a good introductory album.
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Well considering it may be their best (IMHO :tup) I'd say, sure.
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Affirmatively a fine collection of songs with which to introduce the uninitiated to this rather pleasant-sounding musical beat combo.
:lol Very nice.
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I've always thought Six Degrees was the best introductory album.
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I've always thought Six Degrees was the best introductory album.
I love it, but it almost seems overwhelming as an introduction.
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Really? "The Glass Prison" sucked me in immediately, and the rest of the album has a nice variety of music. I can't think of another album that showcases as much of a spectrum of their sound aside from maybe Awake but even that is a bit of a stretch.
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As much as I love SDOIT, I don't think that it's that good of an introductory album, though it depends on who you're introducing. If you are introducing someone who's new to the progressive scene, then SDOIT is out, because it is too much too stomach for a prog newbie. One song that's less than ten minutes? That would probably have been too much to handle for me when I was fairly new to DT and I would think that others would have the same problems.
If you are introducing someone who likes prog, yet has never heard DT (which is highly unlikely, true), then SDOIT would be good though.
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I wasn't into prog when I first heard DT (I still can't stand the genre at all), and yet SDOIT was the album that got me hooked on DT. How could any metal fan listen to TGP and not instantly fall in love?
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It wouldn't be a bad idea, but Images, Scenes and Awake would be much better.
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I've only gotten two people a bit into DT - for my best girl friend I just made a compilation of some songs I thought she'd like, since she's not big on listening to albums in their entirety, and I've turned my boyfriend on DT by giving him Images and Awake and telling him to listen to them 20 times per day.
If a person is a potential prog-lover, they'll embrace the stuff that's harder to stomach anyway. I mean, they're going to have to get at that stuff at some point, might as well throw them into the fire right away. Even if you don't like it at once, there'll be something nagging at you in the back of your head telling you to come back to it for just one more listen, that's how it was for me. And SDoIT is one of my top five albums anyway, if I had to give people a "new" album it would be that album, not ADToE. For older albums, you can't go wrong with Images, Awake and Scenes. If the person is not too big on metal, maybe FII wouldn't be bad either.
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ADTOE would be the first album I would recommend, actually. It contains all the elements besides their 20-minute-ish song. It's got very accessible hooks, a good balance of prog and metal, and great dynamics. I would not show them I&W or Awake first because, from personal experience, they only "clicked" after about 5 playthroughs. ADTOE, on the other hand, takes 2-3.
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I consider it one of their weaker albums, so based on that I would say no. I just don't think it would grab people like their other albums, especially as a lot of people I know don't really like the album.
I'd hand them SFAM instead.
:tup couldn't agree more.
:tup
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As much as I love Images and Awake, I would def not recommend those albums to a newbie.
Gotta start something that's more modern sounding so Id give em ADTOE :)
Great hooks, great balance between metal/prog...
THEN I would say to check out the classics like Images, Awake, SFAM etc
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No.
It doesn't have Portnoy.
It isn't that good.
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As much as I love Images and Words, I would def not recommend those albums to a newbie.
FTFY :neverusethis:
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Yes
It doesn't have Portnoy.
It's that good.
And you. :neverusethis:
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I admit, this was the first CD I heard with the new line up and it kept me interested.
I think the second CD with the newest lineup is the best
:rollin
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I admit, this was the first CD I heard with the new line up and it kept me interested.
I think the second CD with the newest lineup is the best
"No, no. You see their first album was much better than their first album."
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I admit, this was the first CD I heard with the new line up and it kept me interested.
I think the second CD with the newest lineup is the best
"No, no. You see their first album was much better than their first album."
Is that from Scott Pilgrim ? I thought it was a funy line but didn't *quite* understand the joke.
I assumed it was making fun of fans of bands who always say they like their most unpopular album just to be different or something.
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I suppose so. It's got all the elements that DT are known for.
Except for the fast, poppy happiness of Solitary Shell, Surrounded or I Walk Beside You. :-[
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I suppose so. It's got all the elements that DT are known for.
Except for the fast, poppy happiness of Solitary Shell, Surrounded or I Walk Beside You. :-[
There's a track on ADTOE called This is the Life. You'd probably like it.
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I wouldn't really compare TITL with those songs, because even though it might be the closest to the these of all songs on ADTOE, the vibe itself is much more contemplative than on the songs mentioned.
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I suppose so. It's got all the elements that DT are known for.
Except for the fast, poppy happiness of Solitary Shell, Surrounded or I Walk Beside You. :-[
DT is known for those songs?
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Lost Not Forgotten would be a pretty terrible introduction song. I mean, that 'tickle' section, as it's referred to is interesting, but I'm familiar with all of DT's body of work. Whereas, for someone who's never heard them before, something like that would probably be too overwhelming.
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Definitely a good introductory album.
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I suppose so. It's got all the elements that DT are known for.
Except for the fast, poppy happiness of Solitary Shell, Surrounded or I Walk Beside You. :-[
DT is known for those songs?
DT is definitely known for having a poppy side!
There's a track on ADTOE called This is the Life. You'd probably like it.
I appreciate your sarcastic contribution, but is that track anywhere near as uplifting-poppy as the chorus of Solitary Shell? It's a ballad.
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Lost Not Forgotten would be a pretty terrible introduction song. I mean, that 'tickle' section, as it's referred to is interesting, but I'm familiar with all of DT's body of work. Whereas, for someone who's never heard them before, something like that would probably be too overwhelming.
While I agree about LNF not being a good DT intro song, is the section that far off from [fire shield] Under a Glass Moon's dissonant section? Many have cited I&W in lieu of ADTOE... [/flame shield]
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Lost Not Forgotten would be a pretty terrible introduction song. I mean, that 'tickle' section, as it's referred to is interesting, but I'm familiar with all of DT's body of work. Whereas, for someone who's never heard them before, something like that would probably be too overwhelming.
While I agree about LNF not being a good DT intro song, is the section that far off from [fire shield] Under a Glass Moon's dissonant section? Many have cited I&W in lieu of ADTOE... [/flame shield]
They sound completely different.
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A Dramatic Turn Of Events isn't a bad place to start. I would have someone listen to these four albums in this order if I wanted to introduce them to Dream Theater. Images And Words, Awake, Scenes From A Memory and A Dramatic Turn Of Events.
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still dont understand why the 'tickle section' gets singled out quite a bit in a negative context. it's awesome
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What the hell is the tickle section?
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The crazy part near the beginning of Lost Not Forgotten
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still dont understand why the 'tickle section' gets singled out quite a bit in a negative context. it's awesome
It's overwhelming. I mean, You think it's awesome, but you're an established DT fan. Show it to someone who's never heard DT before, and they'll be like, "What the hell is this? That's too much."
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still dont understand why the 'tickle section' gets singled out quite a bit in a negative context. it's awesome
It's overwhelming. I mean, You think it's awesome, but you're an established DT fan. Show it to someone who's never heard DT before, and they'll be like, "What the hell is this? That's too much."
That depends on a lot of factors. DT isn't the only band on the planet that sounds like DT anymore.
If they're already familiar with progressive rock or any remotely technical metal, the tickle section really isn't all that overwhelming. But if this person has only ever heard country in his life, then I wouldn't even have him listen to any DT.
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That depends on a lot of factors. DT isn't the only band on the planet that sounds like DT anymore.
If they're already familiar with progressive rock or any remotely technical metal, the tickle section really isn't all that overwhelming. But if this person has only ever heard country in his life, then I wouldn't even have him listen to any DT.
I dunno, man. That section was borderline overwhelming even for me. Honestly, I like the technical aspect of it, but I don't think it sounds particularly good.
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It doesn't sound good, but that's not really the point, is it? Sounding good isn't really the point of any art music nowadays.
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It doesn't sound good, but that's not really the point, is it? Sounding good isn't really the point of any art music nowadays.
Uhhh.... What? And here I thought people listened to music because it's pleasant to the ears. I mean, the rest of Lost Not Forgotten sounds great.
Even the crazy sections of Outcry have a pleasant sense of melody to them.
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Nah, man. The point of the tickle section isn't to sound good. If anything, it's to sound bad; that is, to be overly dissonant in a fun, tongue-in-cheek way.
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Nah, man. The point of the tickle section isn't to sound good. If anything, it's to sound bad; that is, to be overly dissonant in a fun, tongue-in-cheek way.
Well, that's not exactly the best way to get someone into the band, is it? Even if someone listens to Rush or Iron Maiden. I mean, maybe if they're Unexpect fans, but then they'd be like, "This is too tame for me."
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Maybe that part of that song wouldn't be the best to introduce people to DT, but the thread is about the album as a whole, rather than any single song in particular...
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To me, there is no other album that represents *everything* that DT is as a band....than OCTAVARIUM.
It's got everything. Some metal stuff, some poppy stuff, some emotionally heavy stuff, some ballad stuff, quite a bit of "instrument gymnastics"....and one *HELL* of an epic closing track.
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To me, there is no other album that represents *everything* that DT is as a band....than OCTAVARIUM.
It's got everything. Some metal stuff, some poppy stuff, some emotionally heavy stuff, some ballad stuff, quite a bit of "instrument gymnastics"....and one *HELL* of an epic closing track.
I was about to say that. Octavarium is not my favorite album but for DT, it's one of their most well rounded ones, and really whows all of their sides.
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if they are overwhelmed by the tickle section then they probably aren't gonna like dream theater. that part happens once and it is super short
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if they are overwhelmed by the tickle section then they probably aren't gonna like dream theater. that part happens once and it is super short
Yeah, but it's pretty extreme.
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if they are overwhelmed by the tickle section then they probably aren't gonna like dream theater. that part happens once and it is super short
Yeah, but it's pretty extreme.
...and the chromatic run unison in 8V song and ITPOE, on top of numerous other ones. While they are not dissonant, they may also not be pleasant to the 1st time ear.
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Still better.
Actually, another reason why I don't think ADTOE is a very good album is (as I mentioned in another thread) the vocals. LaBrie barely (if at all) pushes his comfort zone on this album. One thing that's impressive about I&W, Scenes from a Memory and the like, are the vocals. On Octavarium, they're not all that extreme, but the vocal melodies are still powerful and a lot more interesting. I find that on this album, his vocals are lacking. Not because he can't, just because he won't, for whatever reason.
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Guide for newbie DT listening:
1. Listen to ADTOE
2. Listen to I&W
3. "WTF, I just listened to the same album twice?!?!?!"
:coolio
Yes, Build Me Up Break Me Down is like a clone of Another Day, WTF! :P