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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: KevShmev on December 05, 2011, 07:45:18 PM
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I say yes. An emphatic yes. They have been subtly incorporating electronic elements here and there over the years, and the bits at the beginning of both Outcry and Build Me Up, Break Me Down are great, and I'd love to see them go full electronica for a full song on the next album. Now, I am not talking just fake drums and nothing else, but maybe like a fast-paced song driven by electronic drums, but still plenty rocking and featuring a great riff that also helps drives the song forward. I think they could do something really good like that. And they could even have Mangini play some real drums on it, although if they didn't it would be okay, too.
Who's with me? :metal
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+1 from me
I love electronic music. Would love to see 'em try.
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No. We already have Prophets of War (pt. 1).
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I say no, but ONLY because I HATE electronica. If DT chooses to do one, I just won't listen to it. I won't be very surprised. Cradle of Filth has a small handful of electronica/dance/funk songs and they seem even less likely do something like that, but hey.
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I'd be totally down with it, even if it sucks. I like it when bands dare new stuff (see: Opeth's Heritage).
rumborak
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Please, no. The bits and pieces here and there are cool, though.
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No.
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I say no, but ONLY because I HATE electronica. If DT chooses to do one, I just won't listen to it. I won't be very surprised. Cradle of Filth has a small handful of electronica/dance/funk songs and they seem even less likely do something like that, but hey.
If the band you love enough to participate in its online community does a song in a particular style, you'll refuse to listen to it? A bit close-minded, isn't that?
Anyway, this isn't something I'd realistically expect DT to do. The band has always had a really clear vision regarding what is and isn't DT (what with the metal-prog-melodic format and all), and the electronic thing doesn't really coincide with that vision. Besides, I get the feeling that JR, who would likely be the catalyst behind this project if it happened, has a number of non-DT outlets for his electronic ideas (YouTube, solo albums/shows, etc.).
If it DID happen, though, well, that would be pretty cool, if not a bit confusing/disorienting when played live (DT's fans aren't known to be particularly energetic).
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No. I don't mind them incorporating the odd influence here and there, but I never want them to do a full song of it. I'm all for them experimenting, but not when it's into a genre I hate. If I wanted to hear that, I'd just listen to an electronica artist.
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I love the genre and it would be interesting, especially if they make JR in charge of many of the sounds (some of his older videos demonstrating keyboards = damn).
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Post an example of an electronica song you think would have been acceptable as a DT song, if DT had come out with it first.
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Something like OSI does (obviously vocally very different) would work quite well with DT I think.
rumborak
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I say no, but ONLY because I HATE electronica. If DT chooses to do one, I just won't listen to it. I won't be very surprised. Cradle of Filth has a small handful of electronica/dance/funk songs and they seem even less likely do something like that, but hey.
If the band you love enough to participate in its online community does a song in a particular style, you'll refuse to listen to it? A bit close-minded, isn't that?
Anyway, this isn't something I'd realistically expect DT to do. The band has always had a really clear vision regarding what is and isn't DT (what with the metal-prog-melodic format and all), and the electronic thing doesn't really coincide with that vision. Besides, I get the feeling that JR, who would likely be the catalyst behind this project if it happened, has a number of non-DT outlets for his electronic ideas (YouTube, solo albums/shows, etc.).
If it DID happen, though, well, that would be pretty cool, if not a bit confusing/disorienting when played live (DT's fans aren't known to be particularly energetic).
The majority of people who post here a lot do so because they enjoy the community and initially found out about this place because of being DT fans, not because they're so into DT that they'll look past stuff they have a legitimate aversion to. I fucking love the Saints as they've been my avatar for nearly two years now but if you told me I had to eat a pound of water chestnuts (which I hate) in order to get into the Superdome to watch 'em play, I'd definitely have some thinking to do.
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I'd love it.
Something like Infected Mushroom would fit DT's style. It's heavy, it's electronic, it can be progressive.
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What would be better is if they made an EP, all experimental songs titled an experimental dream
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I would like to hear it. It couldn't hurt to try it.
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It would be cool to hear for sure. I think they have the creativity to pull it off. It would be especially awesome to hear JR lay down some keys and have JM incorporate some funk into his playing. Maybe some instrumentation similar to Justice.
I dunno, it's definitely not "DT" but I'm always open to them trying new stuff.
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I never buy the "It's not insert band name here" argument. If a band does a song, then that song is then a part of their sound, and it thus becomes them, right? ;)
Now, I get that people mean, "It is not representative of their signature sound," but if I wanted only bands that stuck to their signature sound all of the time, I'd listen to AC/DC 24/7! :biggrin:
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I say no, but ONLY because I HATE electronica. If DT chooses to do one, I just won't listen to it. I won't be very surprised. Cradle of Filth has a small handful of electronica/dance/funk songs and they seem even less likely do something like that, but hey.
If the band you love enough to participate in its online community does a song in a particular style, you'll refuse to listen to it? A bit close-minded, isn't that?
The majority of people who post here a lot do so because they enjoy the community and initially found out about this place because of being DT fans, not because they're so into DT that they'll look past stuff they have a legitimate aversion to. I fucking love the Saints as they've been my avatar for nearly two years now but if you told me I had to eat a pound of water chestnuts (which I hate) in order to get into the Superdome to watch 'em play, I'd definitely have some thinking to do.
That's not what I was getting at. The point is that the vast majority of people here are here because they love DT, and if you love and appreciate DT, you should be able to appreciate the musical ideas in DT's electronic piece. The DT-electronica situation and the Saints-water chestnut situations are not analogous; they would be if the Saints were a manufacturer of snack products.
And again, I'm not arguing that this person should automatically love this hypothetical song because he's on the board. That's ridiculous. I'm arguing that since this person appreciates what DT does, he should not be so close-minded as not to give the song a chance.
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I agree with Kev. The electronic drum bits in BMU BMD and Outcry threw me for a loop and I like them quite a bit. The electronic breakdown in ITNOG is really cool as well. I'd love to see a whole song carrying an electronica influence throughout. Even more daring would be a whole album, but I have a feeling Mangini didn't join the band to write parts on a drum machine. :P
And no Bosk, PoW isn't electronica. :P
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I hope they do. The beginning of Outcry was cool, but it was just a small taste. I long for some heavy, rocking, epic-sounding, electronic music.
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Electronica is good but imagine if DT done post-rock :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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I say no, but ONLY because I HATE electronica. If DT chooses to do one, I just won't listen to it. I won't be very surprised. Cradle of Filth has a small handful of electronica/dance/funk songs and they seem even less likely do something like that, but hey.
If the band you love enough to participate in its online community does a song in a particular style, you'll refuse to listen to it? A bit close-minded, isn't that?
The majority of people who post here a lot do so because they enjoy the community and initially found out about this place because of being DT fans, not because they're so into DT that they'll look past stuff they have a legitimate aversion to. I fucking love the Saints as they've been my avatar for nearly two years now but if you told me I had to eat a pound of water chestnuts (which I hate) in order to get into the Superdome to watch 'em play, I'd definitely have some thinking to do.
That's not what I was getting at. The point is that the vast majority of people here are here because they love DT, and if you love and appreciate DT, you should be able to appreciate the musical ideas in DT's electronic piece. The DT-electronica situation and the Saints-water chestnut situations are not analogous; they would be if the Saints were a manufacturer of snack products.
And again, I'm not arguing that this person should automatically love this hypothetical song because he's on the board. That's ridiculous. I'm arguing that since this person appreciates what DT does, he should not be so close-minded as not to give the song a chance.
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But seriously, I despise country music and seeing as how I've been subjected to country music on a VERY regular basis (I've lived in New Orleans my entire live except for 7 months and if you made a triangle with the three points being in Dallas, Raleigh(NC), and Miami, you'd have a visual representation of an area I've never been outside of for even a second of my life except for a two-hour layover in Chicago) and never legitimately liked one song despite that huge a sample size, it'd be very safe to say I wouldn't be smitten with any kind of country influence DT would ever inject into their music.
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No. We already have Prophets of War (pt. 1).
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Sure, why the hell not. They can do whatever they want. They have tried all kinds of different stuff over the years, sometimes I loved it, sometimes not so much. That's just a part of being a prog fan. :smiley:
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PoW wasn't electronica. That one was a Muse ripoff (musically).
rumborak
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No.
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No thanks.
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On the Run by Pink Floyd came to mind while reading this, especially the parts about JR doing most of it.
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No. We already have Prophets of War (pt. 1).
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They should ask Kevin Moore to help them write that electronica song! ;D Ok, just kidding...
I wouldn't have problem with them experimenting with electronics for one song, it could be interesting. However, I'm sure that won't happen - JP didn't like MP's idea of having real death growls on ANTR and said it would be "too radical for the fans to swallow" and I think this could be one of those radical things.
And about Prophets of War: only the first verse of that song could be labelled as electronica (or having electronic elements).
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PoW wasn't electronica. That one was a Muse ripoff (musically).
Which is really more "disco" than "electronica".
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Err, no. Not if they want me to buy the album. Some influence of, yes, it's worked when they've done it. A full song hell no.
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NO.
it would be the worst song from their career.
even worse than build me up, break me down or prophets of war.
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I wouldnt mind, it would be interesting to see :D
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NO.
it would be the worst song from their career.
even worse than build me up, break me down or prophets of war.
I was wondering that if you, as a classically (I assume) trained musician, have a certain dislike towards electronica just for the sake of it being electronica?
Not wanting to offend you or anything, it's just something that came on my mind. :D
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I say no, but ONLY because I HATE electronica. If DT chooses to do one, I just won't listen to it. I won't be very surprised. Cradle of Filth has a small handful of electronica/dance/funk songs and they seem even less likely do something like that, but hey.
If the band you love enough to participate in its online community does a song in a particular style, you'll refuse to listen to it? A bit close-minded, isn't that?
No. I don't love all their songs anyway. I'll probably give it a spin and I'll probably not like it, and won't listen to it again. There are a handful of songs from DT that I don't listen to because I don't like them. I just dislike electronica and I'll probably be curious about it and listen to it and maybe I'll like it. I'm not being "close-minded" if I don't and never listen to it again though.
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No. There's too much of it already. They need to lean more towards metal.
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I say no, but ONLY because I HATE electronica. If DT chooses to do one, I just won't listen to it. I won't be very surprised. Cradle of Filth has a small handful of electronica/dance/funk songs and they seem even less likely do something like that, but hey.
If the band you love enough to participate in its online community does a song in a particular style, you'll refuse to listen to it? A bit close-minded, isn't that?
No. I don't love all their songs anyway. I'll probably give it a spin and I'll probably not like it, and won't listen to it again. There are a handful of songs from DT that I don't listen to because I don't like them. I just dislike electronica and I'll probably be curious about it and listen to it and maybe I'll like it. I'm not being "close-minded" if I don't and never listen to it again though.
That's fair, but surely you recognize the difference between your initial
If DT chooses to do one, I just won't listen to it.
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I'll probably give it a spin and I'll probably not like it, and won't listen to it again.
I was just surprised you would go so far as to completely refuse to listen to a song on the grounds that it is electronic.
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If I liked electronica I'd have electronica albums in my collection. I don't like electronica and I don't want my favorite progressive metal band doing electronica, just like I don't want my favorite pizza place to start selling hardware and dog food.
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No. I don't love all their songs anyway. I'll probably give it a spin and I'll probably not like it, and won't listen to it again. There are a handful of songs from DT that I don't listen to because I don't like them. I just dislike electronica and I'll probably be curious about it and listen to it and maybe I'll like it. I'm not being "close-minded" if I don't and never listen to it again though.
No offense, but going in with the attitude that you probably won't like it could be consider close-minded. Or maybe not open-minded. :P
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No. I don't love all their songs anyway. I'll probably give it a spin and I'll probably not like it, and won't listen to it again. There are a handful of songs from DT that I don't listen to because I don't like them. I just dislike electronica and I'll probably be curious about it and listen to it and maybe I'll like it. I'm not being "close-minded" if I don't and never listen to it again though.
No offense, but going in with the attitude that you probably won't like it could be consider close-minded. Or maybe not open-minded. :P
I guess I'm not coming off in the way that I'm meaning too. I just really don't like electronica and as talented and magnificent as DT is I just can't see myself enjoying it...my apolgoies if I come off as close minded...
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I'd like to hear it. It's progressive music after all, experimentation is desirable.
Also, if it ended up anywhere in the territory of King Crimson's Power to Believe, then heeeell yeaah.
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No. I don't love all their songs anyway. I'll probably give it a spin and I'll probably not like it, and won't listen to it again. There are a handful of songs from DT that I don't listen to because I don't like them. I just dislike electronica and I'll probably be curious about it and listen to it and maybe I'll like it. I'm not being "close-minded" if I don't and never listen to it again though.
No offense, but going in with the attitude that you probably won't like it could be consider close-minded. Or maybe not open-minded. :P
Right on.
DT fans, while claiming to be open-minded, are often very restrictive in terms of the music they listen to. (Not talking specifically about Violet, it's just an observation I have from people that come and go in these forums, considering I've been posting here for over 5 years).
I love electronica, as much as I love pop (I have One Republic, Savage Garden and Backstreet Boys in my iPod and I'm not ashamed in any way about it), and I normally get to defend such genres from the progressive metal fan's assault of music expertise and cunning. DT fans put themselves into a more "intelectual" category, and anything that doesn't fall into that category often gets criticized and bashed to no end. The electronica that often pops up in night clubs is standard 4/4 beat that, definitely, starts sucking after a while. In the same fashion, there's a lot of progressive metal that I consider crappy because they play hard for the sake of playing hard, and play alternate 9/16 and 5/8 time signatures just for the fuck of it. There's crappy metal, there's crappy progressive metal, there's crappy electronica, but following that trend, there's amazing electronic music as well.
I mentioned Infected Mushroom earlier, as an example of a style blend that DT could pull off amazingly well. Infected Mushroom has a shitload of electronica, but they have a shitload of rock on them as well. They experiment with sound like few other bands in their genre, and they are quite amazing. Listen to Project 100, that song is very progressive, melodic and electronic; and it's amazing. I'm in conflict with people relating electronica to 4/4 beats pulled off by a sequencer and a synthesizer. Don't we, Dream Theater fans, get angry when people say DT music is fast for the sake of being fast and has no soul? Such a common description for Dream Theater (and other progressive metal bands, for that matter) "Great musicians, but no soul whatsoever in their music". Well, time to get out of the bubble, boys and gals.
Back on the topic, I really love the idea...also, I recall an interview where MP and JP said they were planning initially on 6DOIT to have world music references, which sounded like an amazing idea to me. Now that they reminded everyone, with ADTOE, that they still can sound like good DT without Portnoy, I'd like them to expand their horizons even more.
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^ This was very well said.
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NO.
it would be the worst song from their career.
even worse than build me up, break me down or prophets of war.
I was wondering that if you, as a classically (I assume) trained musician, have a certain dislike towards electronica just for the sake of it being electronica?
Not wanting to offend you or anything, it's just something that came on my mind. :D
Actually I am a drummer (not as good as I would like to be), and I do not "dislike" electronica. I just hate it. DT is my favorite band since 1998 cause I love metal and progressive rock, so that's what I wanna hear everytime I buy a new DT album.
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Well said, DarkLord_Lalinc! *golf clap* :tup :tup
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Without wanting to do any sort of stirring whatsoever, I honestly wouldn't trust DT to do a very good job of it unless they joined up again with Kevin. Admittedly, that opinion is pretty much unfounded, since the only member i've seen do anything like it is Jordan, when he's been mucking about with some Aphex Twin-ny samples. Still, if they did, and recorded an album similar to OSI's 'Blood' I would explode with joy.
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Both Kevin and Jordan have several electronica influences, although very different in their own rights. Kevin's electronica style can be very well recognized in his solo albums and in his OSI work, wheras Jordan has more of an Aphex Twin-crazed electronica vibe.
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Yeah, I'm sorry, but I summarily reject the assertion that it's "close minded" to not like something. I see this argument all the time on forums like this and I think it's a weak argument.
"Close minded" is blindly refusing to evaluate something new that you're perhaps unfamiliar with. It is NOT "close minded" to not enjoy a certain style of music, nor is it "close minded" to not want your favorite band that traditionally has played progressive metal to venture into a different genre that you do not enjoy. That's called "taste." If you like it, fine, that's good for you. But labeling those who do not like it as "close minded" is little more than elitist snobbery. :)
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Funny, 'cause elitist snobbery is what seems to plague the minds of lots of Dream Theater fans.
Please, take into consideration as well that I was merely posting my opinion and my take on things on how I see discussions take place over here (one thinks that's obvious but hey, people get all hyped up sometimes). I know about taste, and I know people are entitled to their own opinion (I just posted mine), but believe me, lots of discussion often limits on "what you like is wrong".
You know, Dream Theater is my favorite band, but I hate talking about music (or sometimes, even Dream Theater) with other Dream Theater fans (probably, one of the reasons I joined this forum, because people seem to be very open to lots of things around these parts). I prefer talking about music with a more much relaxed and "open-minded" (now, trying to attribute that word its own meaning) music fan that will not go all like "What? electronica? Seriously? Why are you playing Van Buuren's Imagine after Dream Theater's Scenes from a Memory? Armin just toys with samples, wheras John Petrucci can play over 15 notes per second!"
If you talk with several DT fans outside these forums or whatever, you may probably have some similar experiences to share with me later on. :D
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I say yes. An emphatic yes. They have been subtly incorporating electronic elements here and there over the years, and the bits at the beginning of both Outcry and Build Me Up, Break Me Down are great, and I'd love to see them go full electronica for a full song on the next album. Now, I am not talking just fake drums and nothing else, but maybe like a fast-paced song driven by electronic drums, but still plenty rocking and featuring a great riff that also helps drives the song forward. I think they could do something really good like that. And they could even have Mangini play some real drums on it, although if they didn't it would be okay, too.
Who's with me? :metal
I feel like going electronica for a full song is about the most cliched thing they could do. I could just be talking out of my ass, but I feel like a lot of artists go in that direction after awhile. Maybe I've just been listening to too much Radiohead.
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Yeah, I'm sorry, but I summarily reject the assertion that it's "close minded" to not like something. I see this argument all the time on forums like this and I think it's a weak argument.
"Close minded" is blindly refusing to evaluate something new that you're perhaps unfamiliar with. It is NOT "close minded" to not enjoy a certain style of music, nor is it "close minded" to not want your favorite band that traditionally has played progressive metal to venture into a different genre that you do not enjoy. That's called "taste." If you like it, fine, that's good for you. But labeling those who do not like it as "close minded" is little more than elitist snobbery. :)
You're right in some cases, however the problem is many of the people who say "I don't like techno" (for example) have never given the genre a single chance. They're vaguely aware of what it sounds like, heard half a song on the radio and some generic tune in the nightclub scene of an action movie, and then completely write it off. That's where the closed-mindedness comes in.
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Yeah, I'm sorry, but I summarily reject the assertion that it's "close minded" to not like something. I see this argument all the time on forums like this and I think it's a weak argument.
"Close minded" is blindly refusing to evaluate something new that you're perhaps unfamiliar with. It is NOT "close minded" to not enjoy a certain style of music, nor is it "close minded" to not want your favorite band that traditionally has played progressive metal to venture into a different genre that you do not enjoy. That's called "taste." If you like it, fine, that's good for you. But labeling those who do not like it as "close minded" is little more than elitist snobbery. :)
Nobody here is arguing that people who don't like electronica are close-minded. People are arguing that those who are bashing or refusing to listen to this hypothetical DT song or calling it the "worst in their career" simply on the grounds that it's electronic are engaging in close-mindedness, because that's sort of the definition of close-mindedness.
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"Close minded" is blindly refusing to evaluate something new that you're perhaps unfamiliar with.
That's what the dismissal of this (again, hypothetical) DT song is.
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Yeah, I'm sorry, but I summarily reject the assertion that it's "close minded" to not like something. I see this argument all the time on forums like this and I think it's a weak argument.
"Close minded" is blindly refusing to evaluate something new that you're perhaps unfamiliar with. It is NOT "close minded" to not enjoy a certain style of music, nor is it "close minded" to not want your favorite band that traditionally has played progressive metal to venture into a different genre that you do not enjoy. That's called "taste." If you like it, fine, that's good for you. But labeling those who do not like it as "close minded" is little more than elitist snobbery. :)
You're right in some cases, however the problem is many of the people who say "I don't like techno" (for example) have never given the genre a single chance. They're vaguely aware of what it sounds like, heard half a song on the radio and some generic tune in the nightclub scene of an action movie, and then completely write it off. That's where the closed-mindedness comes in.
Right, isn't that what I just posted? :)
I've heard plenty of electronica. I don't like it. That doesn't make me close-minded, it makes me someone who doesn't like electronica.
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No. I don't love all their songs anyway. I'll probably give it a spin and I'll probably not like it, and won't listen to it again. There are a handful of songs from DT that I don't listen to because I don't like them. I just dislike electronica and I'll probably be curious about it and listen to it and maybe I'll like it. I'm not being "close-minded" if I don't and never listen to it again though.
No offense, but going in with the attitude that you probably won't like it could be consider close-minded. Or maybe not open-minded. :P
I guess I'm not coming off in the way that I'm meaning too. I just really don't like electronica and as talented and magnificent as DT is I just can't see myself enjoying it...my apolgoies if I come off as close minded...
It's not close minded, and this is why I made my post above. People have this tendency to label anyone who doesn't like ___________ <--insert genre here -as "close minded" and that is not true.
If you've tried something and you don't like it you don't like it. It doesn't mean you're close minded it means you don't like it.
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I mentioned Infected Mushroom earlier, as an example of a style blend that DT could pull off amazingly well. Infected Mushroom has a shitload of electronica, but they have a shitload of rock on them as well. They experiment with sound like few other bands in their genre, and they are quite amazing. Listen to Project 100, that song is very progressive, melodic and electronic; and it's amazing.
I decided to give this band a shot since you mentioned it Dark Lord. This is good music. I often like to put electronica and other dance music on as background noise while I do other things (sonic wallpaper). This is complex enough that you can spend some mental energy giving it a listen. I am going to have to dig deeper into their catalog.
As for the main argument, I wouldn't mind seeing DT incorporate more styles into their music. I have always loved that they pull influences from many different sources and give it that signature DT sound. I could easily see them doing a strong electronica-styled instrumental. Mangini is enough of a monster at keeping a beat he could use his pads and play the electronic drums parts live. :)
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I like electronic music, but the song would fail horribly. I know it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vv1jrOJ7rI
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for me, it depends on the style of electronica. i'm not a fan of that repetative, quarter note bass thumping 110bpm club music, and that's probably why i can't envision them pulling off a tune like that successfully. (i'm sure if any band could surprise me though, it would be d.t.)
i do think that a more energetic drum and bass style groove would provide an excellent backdrop for some sick d.t. material. i'm thinking of something busy like squarepusher's uptempo stuff. i'm betting mangini would kill some of that stuff in the style of drum and bass giant johnny rabb.
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Might as well do a polka while they're at it...... Maybe some country too. :eek
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No. I don't love all their songs anyway. I'll probably give it a spin and I'll probably not like it, and won't listen to it again. There are a handful of songs from DT that I don't listen to because I don't like them. I just dislike electronica and I'll probably be curious about it and listen to it and maybe I'll like it. I'm not being "close-minded" if I don't and never listen to it again though.
No offense, but going in with the attitude that you probably won't like it could be consider close-minded. Or maybe not open-minded. :P
I guess I'm not coming off in the way that I'm meaning too. I just really don't like electronica and as talented and magnificent as DT is I just can't see myself enjoying it...my apolgoies if I come off as close minded...
It's not close minded, and this is why I made my post above. People have this tendency to label anyone who doesn't like ___________ <--insert genre here -as "close minded" and that is not true.
If you've tried something and you don't like it you don't like it. It doesn't mean you're close minded it means you don't like it.
Yep, this. Open minded doesn't mean you like everything. It just means you give something a chance before making up your mind. And if we've heard enough electronica to know we don't like the defining characteristics of the genre, that's not close minded. I could listen to something a million times and still not like it, and it wouldn't make me more open minded. Everyone here has genres they're equally dismissive of.
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I all 100% for Dream Theater experimenting a little. They've gone back to the well and refined their classic sound pretty perfectly. I think something bold like that would be extremely refreshing. I can't even see myself listening to another DT record that continues the current sound more than a few times.
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i'm thinking of something busy like squarepusher's uptempo stuff. i'm betting mangini would kill some of that stuff in the style of drum and bass giant johnny rabb.
This is the style of electronica I would like to see done. I thought MM had electronic drums on his kit? I think they could pull of some cool/crazy stuff as the whole song. I think it would work better as an instrumental, as well.
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The logical fallacy here is saying A) you definitively dislike every song in a particular grouping and therefore that B) if DT were to make a song in that grouping, you would definitively dislike it. Again, no one's arguing that you have to love electronica and DT's electronica song.
Looking at it from the opposite direction: most of us will at least say that we like the prog metal genre. However, just because DT plays prog metal doesn't mean we're going to like every song DT does. Most of us have favorites and a few tunes we just can't stand. Genre just doesn't correspond to taste; in other words, just because we like a genre doesn't mean we'll like every song in that genre. You have to look at it on a song-by-song basis; not doing so would be close-minded.
The converse is true: let's say that, on the whole, you dislike a genre. There's nothing wrong with that. However, dismissing a song because it's in a particular genre is close-minded, because we have to look at it on a song-by-song basis.
In conclusion:
"I don't like techno." - Not close-minded.
"I don't like techno, but DT put out a techno song, so I guess I'll check it out." - Open-minded.
"I don't like techno, and DT put out a techno song, so eff that, I'm just gonna listen to Honor thy Father again." - Close-minded.
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Only one or two people are actually saying that if DT did an electronica song that they'd dislike it. Most of us are only saying that we dislike the genre (or don't think DT are suited to it) and don't wish for DT to do a song in that style. And as a generalization, that is perfectly reasonable.
If they did one, I for one would give it a fair chance as I have with every other DT song, and I'm sure most others would too. I may even like it. But when you ask as a general hypothetical of whether we'd want DT to do a song in that style, why would I say yes to a genre that I don't like?
"I hate literally every single electronica song, and if DT wrote one I would hate it just because it was electronica" - Close minded
"I don't like electronica in general, so would prefer DT not write a song in that style" - Not close minded.
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Bring it on, chaps!
DT never limited themselves to any one genre, that concept doesn't seem to exist in their world.
A collab with Noisia, perhaps? ;)
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Total electronica>? I don't think so, but I'd like them to do a total Sci-Fi inspired concept album.... that would totally rock imo.
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Something like a space opera in the vein of Ayreon?
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No electronica please, if for any reason so that they'll be less backing tracks used in their live shows.
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No electronica please, if for any reason so that they'll be less backing tracks used in their live shows.
Good point RTK. They have four of the most capable musicians on the planet and JR damn near can account for two full musicians himself so if they really need to get that extravagant with the presentation then why not just hire some pit performers or some onstage talent if it's that important to go beyond what live bass/keys/drums/guitar can accomplish.
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Back on the topic, I really love the idea...also, I recall an interview where MP and JP said they were planning initially on 6DOIT to have world music references, which sounded like an amazing idea to me.
If DT ever did a song like this, combining metal, world music, and electronic elements, I would probably faint from happiness: Lunatic Moon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZpUjY1nofQ)
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No ty. I already make funny faces when listening to the intro of BMU BMD
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I'm gonna have to say no on this too. Like some have said, a little is ok.
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Only one or two people are actually saying that if DT did an electronica song that they'd dislike it. Most of us are only saying that we dislike the genre (or don't think DT are suited to it) and don't wish for DT to do a song in that style. And as a generalization, that is perfectly reasonable.
If they did one, I for one would give it a fair chance as I have with every other DT song, and I'm sure most others would too. I may even like it. But when you ask as a general hypothetical of whether we'd want DT to do a song in that style, why would I say yes to a genre that I don't like?
"I hate literally every single electronica song, and if DT wrote one I would hate it just because it was electronica" - Close minded
"I don't like electronica in general, so would prefer DT not write a song in that style" - Not close minded.
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I'd definitely give it a listen. But it's not something I'd put on a list of "musical styles I'd like Dream Theater to try"
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Im for it. It's always great when they explore new things, something like Juno Reactor incorporated into one song would be interesting to hear. Thats a band I have recently began to explore too, they're great.
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A Dream Theater instrumental section DubStep-prog-metal breakdown would be awesome.
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Yeah, why not? Adventurousness is part of the Dream Theater spirit.
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I could see Jordan doing a solo piece like that, but not the band as a whole.
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i hate electronic music...and it is a shame if dream theater will head to that direction
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Electronica is good but imagine if DT done post-rock :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
hells kitchen
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I'd love to hear it. Sad to read through this thread and realize a lot of people don't even know what electronica actually is. :lol
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As someone who liked/loved/eventually grew out of it almost completely from '89-present I can tell you in my experience that it has a lot to do with the bulk of the modern stuff sounding far less appealing than what I liked about it in the first place coupled with the fact that the genrefication of it began getting absurd by the mid-to-late-90s when it seemed that every time some new piece of sampling/looping/programming equipment came out they needed to call it a fancy new name. The superfluous genre thing is minor though as the main problem for me is that 90% of what I've heard from electronic artists since '99 or so is really bland and uninspired if listened to fully sober and just isn't something that can be readily listened to in your car or on the go and enjoyed fully. I'm not trying to play the drug thing here but I can only guess being fucked up in some way enables some of the "beauty" in this stuff.
I used to (and still do for the most part) like bands like Depeche Mode, The Prodigy, New Order, amongst others whom have injected electronic instrumentation into their work but the newer artists using it really seem hung up on sounding "cool" and "edgy" before worrying about making anything that sounds appealing, original, or captivating in any way.
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I'm a huge fan of Depeche Mode and New Order, and I consider myself a huge fan of various other industrial, electronic, and new wave acts, both old and new. I've never had to be fucked up to appreciate the beauty of any of it.
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Different strokes for different folks I guess. I also forgot to give love to Front 242, NIN, Ministry, and KMFDM before.
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Whenever DT try to "use elements" from other bands and genres, they usually just end up sounding like them. This applies mostly to the pre-Mangini stuff, considering that BMUBMD and Outcry is well executed, while for example Prophets of War is a tad too much of a nod.
I wouldn't want DT to try to make a "full electronic" song, simply because that's not the kind of music they do. The way Jordan uses synth sounds in Outcry and BMUBMD to create an electronic feel is well executed and exists because it fits in there. Dream Theater should stay progressive, but the degree to which electronic music has been experimented with so far is enough, in my opinion. They're a rock/metal band, after all.
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I'm a huge fan of Depeche Mode and New Order, and I consider myself a huge fan of various other industrial, electronic, and new wave acts, both old and new. I've never had to be fucked up to appreciate the beauty of any of it.
Hipster.
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I'd love to hear it. Sad to read through this thread and realize a lot of people don't even know what electronica actually is. :lol
I honestly have no idea what electronica actually means. I've always assumed it was just another word for electronic music (which in the end is not a very descriptive genre either).
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party rock cover
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Rudess: EVERY DAY IM WIZARDIN
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I don't see any downside to them attempting it. In fact a whole album of attempts at genres they've never tried would be the greatest thing ever. They've already got, what, almost 80-100 prog metal songs to their name so what's to lose there?
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I like electronica used as an effect, like a guitar pedal. Not throughout a whole song but I'd welcome the idea.
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I like electronica used as an effect, like a guitar pedal. Not throughout a whole song but I'd welcome the idea.
That is kind of what I meant. When I said "full electronica," I didn't necessarily mean all keys and electronics and no guitar, bass or real drums. I meant, having the backbone of the song being electronic-driven, but still rocking with some mean riffing and whatnot. I think DT could pull that off really well.
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I don't see any downside to them attempting it. In fact a whole album of attempts at genres they've never tried would be the greatest thing ever. They've already got, what, almost 80-100 prog metal songs to their name so what's to lose there?
Seriously. Maybe I'm just tired of the genre (I am), but I don't think I could handle another Dream Theatery Dream Theater album. They kinda reached the ultimate refinement of that sound with ADTOE. I think more of that would just be tiring.
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I'd love to hear it. Sad to read through this thread and realize a lot of people don't even know what electronica actually is. :lol
I honestly have no idea what electronica actually means. I've always assumed it was just another word for electronic music (which in the end is not a very descriptive genre either).
I think it is just another word for electronic music, the "a" at the end meant to make it into a noun instead of an adjective. Mostly, my post was just a retaliation against people who dismiss it all as club techno bullshit.
I like electronica used as an effect, like a guitar pedal. Not throughout a whole song but I'd welcome the idea.
That is kind of what I meant. When I said "full electronica," I didn't necessarily mean all keys and electronics and no guitar, bass or real drums. I meant, having the backbone of the song being electronic-driven, but still rocking with some mean riffing and whatnot. I think DT could pull that off really well.
I think this would be cool.
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I like electronica used as an effect, like a guitar pedal. Not throughout a whole song but I'd welcome the idea.
That is kind of what I meant. When I said "full electronica," I didn't necessarily mean all keys and electronics and no guitar, bass or real drums. I meant, having the backbone of the song being electronic-driven, but still rocking with some mean riffing and whatnot. I think DT could pull that off really well.
I'm with you. I like how PT adds a little to their music. Not overwhelming but adds great texture to their music.
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A techno/trance song by DT?
Count me the fuck in.
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I would love that but they'll never do it.
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No. We already have Prophets of War (pt. 1).
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Except that Prophets of War isn't electronica by any stretch of the imagination.
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Kev we're dealing with people who thought the little off centered vocal part in "Honor Thy Father" was actual rap.
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Kev we're dealing with people who thought the little off centered vocal part in "Honor Thy Father" was actual rap.
And they have a point since it's done in an aggressive, choppy manner and definitely isn't straight singing. PoW definitely has an electronic feel to the intro no matter what anyone wants to say to refute it so all of this dismissiveness toward folks with those opinions is quite baseless.
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Outside of the synth arpeggios in the verses and intro, there's virtually nothing electronic about POW.
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There is no logical way that Prophets of War is electronica.
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Haha what?! Of course PoW is elctronica music!
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DnB Theater please.
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Kev we're dealing with people who thought the little off centered vocal part in "Honor Thy Father" was actual rap.
How 'bout you generalize some more.
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I like electronica used as an effect, like a guitar pedal. Not throughout a whole song but I'd welcome the idea.
That is kind of what I meant. When I said "full electronica," I didn't necessarily mean all keys and electronics and no guitar, bass or real drums. I meant, having the backbone of the song being electronic-driven, but still rocking with some mean riffing and whatnot. I think DT could pull that off really well.
I'd give that a serious listen, should they decide to branch out like that. Why not?
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I'm real happy with them just the way they are. This is the best they've ever been.IMO
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DT aren't about experimentation anyway. They don't often go out of their comfort zone.
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I still think they should do an acoustic album. Hell, even an EP would be nice.
SOMETHING different, at least.
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I would hate if DT wasted space on an album for a song made by a computer. Save that stuff for solo projects.
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I would hate if DT wasted space on an album for a song made by a computer. Save that stuff for solo projects.
Saying that an electronica song is made by a computer is like saying that a rock/metal song is made by amps and pedals. There are composers who use algorithms and computers to write music but that's not really typical within the realm of popular electronic music.
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I would hate if DT wasted space on an album for a song made by a computer. Save that stuff for solo projects.
Saying that an electronica song is made by a computer is like saying that a rock/metal song is made by amps and pedals. There are composers who use algorithms and computers to write music but that's not really typical within the realm of popular electronic music.
This exactly. The fact that a rock song has guitars doesn't mean that the guitars are responsible for the music, and the same can be said for electronica and its synthesizers. Most electronica is written by very talented musicians who are responsible not only for writing the music itself but for digging into their instruments' machinery to create exactly the right kind of sound they want.
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guns don't kill people, guitars do
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guns don't kill people, guitars do
In JP's hands they do.